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Podcast: Why You Didn't Get The Listing (How To Never Lose A Listing Again) | Tim and Julie Harris

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Podcast: Why You Didn't Get The Listing (How To Never Lose A Listing Again) | Tim and Julie Harris

"Welcome to. Real Estate Coaching Radio starring award-winning real estate coaches and number one international bestselling authors Tim and Julie Harris. Real Estate. Coaching. Radio is the nation's number one daily radio show for realtors who demand Authentic Real time coaching. Get ready for flood free unfiltered, full-strength honesty about what's working to get you into action helping others and making money now in today's real estate market. Or hosts Tim and Julie Hairs. Three to one and we're back it is October the twenty ninth and we have a great podcasts for all of you guys today Julie Harris who has not yet grabbed her microphone. Here you go. Don't go but just hold it ready to rumble and we have a really good topic and this topic is as a result like all of our topics from a listener and and student demand. So when you guys are asking the same questions, Julian I often see that pattern developing and remember we've got thirteen or fifteen different coaches I know at a budget different staff and so. They always reporting back to us where the what the primary issues that they're hearing back from their their coaching clients says, we have coaching clients all over the United States, we have literally tens of thousands of coaching clients. So I think we've got a pretty good read on what the collective Zeitgeist is all of you, and so when we present a topic on the podcast, let alone a series of topics podcast. It is directly from what we know is going to help majority of you the most in that is certainly the theme with today's show. Now remind all of you guys. That yes. The election is going to happen what next week thank God that's going to be over with and I hope it does get over with yes and I I'll tell you what we've noticed from our perspective watching the you know the KPI's in our coaching business the key performance indicators that the attentiveness to all of our media podcasting in our coaching calls hasn't dropped off, but we are seeing I'm sure you guys are seeing this to a lot of people that are tentative about making decisions and they're using the. Election as the backdrop for doing just about anything which is kind of I don't know it just crazy. But what we're sensing and what we think is going to happen is there's going to be another surge of activity before the end of the year after the election because it does feel like a lot of people have been putting off just transacting in general, not just enroll state but in anything they've been putting off until after the election it's like the week of pause is going well, it's more like two weeks. And so the other thing you've got to keep in mind to be prepared, this is going to be sort of counterintuitive to the way you've maybe operated in the past year old state practice because you're used to sort of kicking your feet up on your desk and SORTA coasting out the rest of the year mentally and emotionally just the expectation there's GONNA be less demand says is your. Opportunity take a breath that's all live you've been operating well hopefully after listening to our show and maybe becoming one of our coaching clients, you realize that fourth quarter which were in the midst right now is the most important quarter of the year because it sets the stage for what's going to happen or won't happen the following year for yourself in your business. So do not slack off. Over, relax take too many days off be like most people where, yes, you're gonNA have a week off or maybe a few days off for Thanksgiving but don't make Thanksgiving a three-week holiday week beforehand we after and Halloween. For some reason, glass ten years has become another sort of like national holiday which I don't quite understand. So consumer behavior is going to be you know they're gonNA your buyers and Sellers right. They're going to use the holidays as an excuse, but you can't use the holidays as an excuse. The exact opposite should be true. This is the perfect time of year to be drilling down lead generation. So again, you're setting the table for next year so that when no calendar ticks over two, thousand, twenty one, you're actually going to have a lot of momentum versus having to rebuild your momentum. And when the winds are the Windsor at your at your back now, come next year who knows. But certainly one thing you can bet for sure is it's going to be a lot of weirdness same as this year combined with the fact that you're going to have you know maybe changing economic situations are going to start affecting the globe. So build your inventory. Now at least have the conversation started and follow the real estate treasure map if you guys haven't completed their. All state treasurer map. 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Program as, but it's free and it's a great place for all of you guys to have direction for the rest of the year into next year. All this makes sense. Yes. Absolutely. So I've got a question for you You know we've been talking a lot about low inventory and how to find inventory that is sort of the question does your these days? Would you say that in that kind of environment listing presentations and you now getting listings is more or less competitive? I would say I mean the obvious answer is more and I know that's what you're running to tell me but I would actually. To say, I would actually say less because a lot of agents have given up. Well, that's true. That's true. Some agents are washing out unfortunately. and and or struggling with. Of the year for the year. Sure and really you know under our watch that's not really acceptable unless you've made all the money and you just WANNA take a couple months off. We've got some coaching clients earned that. You know in good for you guys. That's fantastic. But remember to your earlier point fourth quarter is really like your extra ramp up quarter for next year. Pretend this is first quarter. There's five quarters next year. Okay. So what I'm hearing with coaching students is you know I saw this little discussion on one of the. FACEBOOK realtor pages. And agents were saying, does it feel like it's slowing down and then other agents were saying will only because there's nothing left to sell right and then they were complaining about every time they get listing lead they're not used to having to compete for it because everyone wants listings right now. So that brought up a little reminder in the Harris rules. Book. Rule number nine doesn't just say you've got to be the best listing agent and explains how to be the best listing agent in your market. There is an actual seven step process and we're GONNA. Go over that again and the coaching today. So I'm actually going fast forward to that because they should be getting the book from Amazon Barnes and noble some of. The airports I think zones the easy button on that one PA definitely. But here's the exciting thing I loved by the way over four hundred five star reviews now. Yes. So make yours the next one and did you see the statement from the publisher the book itself selling in the thousand which is awesome. Thank you guys for doing that and you. Guys think we're getting rich off this book nothing could be further from the truth publishing books nowadays basically produces virtually blood basically, no money at the end of the day. So we ask you to buy the book because we know it's going to give you direction not because it's going to make us rich coast really publishing doesn't make you rich at all anymore. It's a lot of work. For one of the things that we tried doing, the book was pulled together a lot of podcast topics, coaching topics, things that you guys need and make them all make sense together instead of feeling like well, that was meaningful but I don't understand this piece. How did they go together? So get the book and this is rule number nine be the best listing agent in your market make sure that you're following the seven step listing process. So I'm going to fast forward a little bit. Tom This is something that our coaching clients especially in premiere because I you know I, hear from them all the time and our elite coaching clients. They're doing this and it's making a huge impact on how they approach listings. Okay. So we're GONNA talk about having an actual pre-listing listing routine, a pre listing prayer or creed. It's critical to the listing presentation itself. So let me pose you a question. Are you listeners walking up to that listing appointment thinking? Well, maybe I'll get it. Maybe I want maybe we'll hit it off. Maybe we want I. Hope they're my personality style is that your plan or are you actually systematically programming yourself for success? So analogy, I like remember hoping write this chapter the analogy for this would specifically. For example, a great coach rate. Before the big game, he's going to go to the locker room. He's obviously people pumped up sometimes it's a lot of energy and enthusiasm other times. It's essentially going to be more calmer. It's going to be different approaches to achieve the same result, which is absolute focus on the mission. And every every sort of professional. You know I remember hearing someone tell me that they were on stage with Tony Robinson there are back. Before twenty goes on stage, Tony has routine where he basically goes through rumor no I can hear him and he starts screaming and pumping his arms and basically pumping himself up. So he pumps himself up and that's his routine that does before every event. And everyone who is a professional? Has a similar pattern to prepare. That is your professional musician people who are professionals do have a system to follow and yet real estate agents don't. Yes. And in fact you and I witnessed this once at a Formula One race I. Think it was Daniel Required. Ricardo Yeah and he was sitting next to his car getting ready for the Lap He was hiding behind a barrier wall but he you can tell he was like in his own doing his routine he was doing a little dance listening. If you guys don't fall formula you're talking about but he was just doing this little dance nobody was supposed to see we had really great seats. So we could see and he was just doing this little dance pumping himself up and it's actually quite entertaining to watch. Interesting but we can tell what he was up to. When the Olympics are on I like to watch the athletes before they go into their routine especially gymnastics and ice skating but you could really it could be anything and I try to predict little game I play to try to predict who's going to do the best based on what their pre routine looks like. Do they look like they're absolutely freaking out in about to you know Go far from the bathroom or they look like they really are focused. So let's let's put another spin on this. There's something known as the rifleman's creed. It's also been called my rifle, the creed of the United States Marine. Every marine has is actually required to memorize it and every marine must live by it. Here's a little extra. This is my rifle there are many like it. But this one is mine it is my life I must master it as I master my life, my rifle without me is useless without my rifle I am useless I must fire my rifle true when most shoot straighter than the enemy is trying to kill me I must shoot him before he shoots me I. Will my rifle on myself know that what counts in war are not? The rounds we fire the noise we burster the smoke we make we know that it's the hits that count and it goes on obviously my rifle. Myself are the defenders of my country where the masters of the enemy we're the saviors of my life. So be it until victory is America's and there is no enemy but piece that's what marines say before they go into battle and. You know defend. US Oh okay. So that's one way to look at it. We also like from different spins same idea pastor Joel embiid gene uses another positive and powerful short prayer to open each of his messages. It goes like this. This is my Bible m what it says I. Am I have what it says I have I can do what it says I can do today will be taught the word of God I boldly confess my mind is alert my heart is receptive I'll never be the same in Jesus name God bless you. Okay. So that's a shorter but seem Similar. Thanks so You'RE GONNA be wrote one for the listing agent but you know be funniest Joey started. Every church service reading the Marine Marineland with the rifle. They'd be like, what? Definitely? Okay. So hopefully, you guys are getting the point you need to be prepared. You need to have your mind straight before you go in and make sure that you're going to be of service to the person you're in front of. So we helped you out with us and you guys can get this from the buck you can modify, it can personalize it, make it your own. So again, the point of this is To read this, this becomes your pre listing mantra. Read it in your car. Read it. Before you get out of your car, get your getting your pets space. Right. So then when you walk into that House with that seller, you're very clearly focused in. I'm assuming that most of you are going to follow the listing presentation that we created that works in all price ranges all market conditions in every continued facet of this changing market, the listing presentation. That we teach you guys as part of a Premier coaching, which obviously is part of the whole listing process with part of our pre listing process. Part of all the things we teach you that is the core Focus Premier coaching. So you if you don't have a listing process listing presentation if you're not organized if you're not practice knowing, it'd be like the marine, not knowing how to load his gun so unless you actually have the tools necessary. To win the listing the greatest macho in the world's not going to make you is not going to help you achieve that goal because you're going to not have earned the right to be that list that sellers listing agent because the fact you did not take the time to learn the skills to be that sellers listing agent. That's exactly right. So that's what we can help you with. This is right out of the Harris rules but but also. In the coaching program, as well as we dedicated a podcast to the concept of don't go if you don't know that's a skills based pre-listing routine where you know what the seller has in mind for price, you know what their motivation is you know what their time frame as if they're buying or selling or both if they're talking to other agents. So there is more to this but I wanted to go over this because we hadn't talked about it on a podcast yet. So here's your pre-listing creed prayer. This is my listing presentation. It shows that I am of service here to help this homeowner, accomplish his or her goals. I'm well prepared and today I will ask Karen Questions and listen to the answers. I will show that I have what it takes to be the highest quality agent for this task. This homer will like entrust me I'm grateful to be here I'm ready to do my job at the highest level possible. I will not leave without a commitment. This is my next listing is that how you guys are approaching your listings some of you probably I know a lot of our coaching clients take seriously you're there for a reason any you know we used to say, Hey. If you're on a listening presentation, you'd better get it. You know because what do you have involved when he followed the seven step process you've generated the lead in the first place you've prequalified them. Well, you've done your follow up. You've prequalified. You've done a that took some time. Sometimes you preview before you go you do your research you call the cellar again make sure you know what's going on and they're might be a buyer side writing on. Here's the magic happens on the other side of following approach to going after listings is that you want to go on more or less than appointments they're not just they're not just apparitions in your year they're not just some things happen. Unpredictably now, and then when you know when you have a proven drill down listing a practicing pack and listing process and the listing presentation you know is going to score you that listing nine times at ten when you know any of the sellers questions when you know how to basically. Performing at the highest level as yourself as a real estate sales professional when you have that skill set and the mindset that follows in remember I said it not order guys skillset set mindset. Don't try to have the mindset in the skillset because then what will happen is your mindset will never be strong enough because your mindset is going to be saying dude, what are you saying to yourself that you have all this you know? Essentially care and feeding. When you know you don't have the skills that actually get the listing you learn and you improve your mindset. When you're an action if you do it the opposite direction, you're never gonNA get into action and if you do get into action, you won't you might think you can take the listing but if you don't know what to do and what to say, a competitor is going to handle your lunch and probably that competitor is GonNa be coached by us. That a lot and you know it is kind of funny on just a quick side. I had somebody texts me who competed against a well known one of our personal clients. And he lost, and so he was saying well Tim can you teach me the same exact process? You taught him and the answer was, of course. But still even that even though they're going to hypothetically using the same content to compete with the same sellers, the reality of it is is the what comes after that is where the real salesmanship comes in right? That's where you can start interjecting of your personality and your genocide. Wa. But it's not until if but when most agents do is they never have the skillset they're just trying to get it with their winning personalities of their familial. Connections or their social connections, but they really have no listing presentation no listing process. That's a key thing that you just said there, and there's a lot of agents that can survive on that for a while right on their personality, their connections, and that's because you're going on listings with people who already know you okay. Totally different than competitive listing situations where maybe you Kinda know them but they're also interviewing the person that sold them the house the. person they golf with and maybe their spouses contact and you know they like all of you, but somebody's going to be more skilled. Here's the interesting thing. A lot of you guys think that the only way you get listings, the centers of influence in past clients. The only way you get listings is essentially that sort of business and that if you have to compete against someone that the seller knows you're not gonNA take the thing that's absolutely. Not True there is no reason that you can't take lessons from sellers that you've never met before other than just basically, you know a lead from a phone call or something of that nature you can go out enlist houses, any price range at any market condition when people learn how to actually be professional listing agents that also gives you something called freedom. 'CAUSE you're not married to a particular geographic area agents who are senators have influenced past client. Do that's our only thing or they're essentially have really invested themselves in a small geographic area. They built themselves a nice golden cage and those skills are not transferable. If you get sick of living in Ohio and dealing with a high of winners like Jillian I, did you move to someplace where it's seventy degrees year round? And you're only in your business is solely based on that local geography or it's solely based on buying leads. It's all these other normal things at agents have done and you don't have the skill sets that will transfer to a different market. You can't move your there forever because you've overinvested that particular market. If you know how to proactively generate, you can go anywhere that you have. A real estate license obviously, you can do it. We instruct you to do and you'll be able to take listings and we've had thousands of coaching clients that have had the freedom because they had the skill set that they could go anywhere in the market anywhere in the country, and they could then essentially replaced the business that they had where they started. That's the gift of having. Skills that's the gift of essentially you know having the the the angst fullness to devolve the real drill down skills, knowing how to do what you don't want to do, and you don't want to do at the highest level that gives you freedom and that's want for all of you guys. So really where the rubber meets the road on this conversation, is that one of the number? One projects. Every single one of you should have in your real estate business. No matter how seasoned and grizzled you are is that you have to get better at listing properties because the competition from the listing side is going to be fair in two, thousand, twenty one in forward because of all the things we talk about on this podcast, the I. Buyers, and all these other sort of. NEW MODEL real estate entities that are entering in you can compete. You can win you. There's nobody out there. There's no great idea that you can equally match. You just have to basically have earned the right to win the listing over the buyer in listing over the big team, not even that to me or the discounter more of love were seeing a lot more for sale by owners right now. Okay. So sometimes, you're not even competing guess another agent you're competing against somebody's thought they can do a better job on their own than you can rate well I mean on some markets you the sellers are able to sell their houses themselves. So fast, the guys guess what? They're going to have to buy something on the way. So start the conversation there. And maybe. Coaching, Clients Jelena's to where they are in markets where where the sell themselves. Well, we do have something called the flexible fee, which is part of the pre listing pack and Julian are selling real estate. Some of the markets we worked in they were. physicals were very effective there, and so we developed a flexible fee in that allows the seller to in some cases they can still try to sell the house themselves while the properties listed with you. This is all what we teach you in the pre listed part of the pre listing pack and listing presentation. Again, what we've done with the system that we've created if we essentially removed all the objections, all the things you fear about having come out of the House of the sellers listing appointments, we cover the in the pre listing pack, the commission's covered the. Service guarantees are covered. It's all basically risk reversal said, the seller has an easy decision when they decided to hire you and the other thing about our system is we wanted to create a system that did all the heavy lifting for you prior to getting to the sellers house. In other words, we wanted to create a system that made it. So the sellers questions in maybe even some questions they hadn't thought of were completely answered prior to you getting there so that when you were at the sellers house the only thing related to follow her listing presentation. Used system we call the sharpie close and that whole process takes fifteen or twenty minutes, but it takes a really effective realistic pack like the one we've created to make it so that when you're at the sellers house all the tension that's normally there when you're meeting with the seller especially when you don't know but really any seller is go on, they're not going to have to ask what you're doing to market the home. They're not going to have to ask what you're doing. You communicate with them, what you're going to charge as far as commissions what you're GonNa do as far as. Internet marketing what you'RE GONNA get it at. It's all there. So all their questions have been answered ahead of time and also part of our pre listing pack and you guys love this except if you're the one competing against this is we in our pre listing pack give you guys A. Twenty. Twenty or twenty five twenty questions, Yep? Okay. twenty-one questions to the seller is given. So imagine this, it's a form it's designed for the seller to use when interviewing your competitors. So it's a question like one of the questions is remember this is a seller asking someone that the sellers considering hiring as their listing agent and the question might be, for example, what Mr, potential listing agent, or Mrs Potential. Listing agent. What's your average days in the market? Okay. And then underneath that in brackets, it's it says what your average days on the market is. So Tim and Julie's average days on the market. You know whatever it is six point, three days or twenty one point seven or whatever. It is art when we sold real estate, ours was ninety one and the average for the last was one, hundred, eighty, three or something crazy. Over six months so you know Mr Seller wettest. What would it mean to you to sell your house in half the time and that was our averages and we are exposing the fact of the averages were for the MOS and then the sellers asking the potential agent that you're competing with that question, and then they're going to quickly figure out that not only does the listing agent not really know what their days on the market is they're probably going to lie to try to cover up. The fact that they don't know what they're listening with their average days in the market is in these questions on this question for get progressively harder again that it's designed to make the seller be very wise as to who they're hiring for the job of selling their home. So they are only going to list with you because at the end and I remember when Julian are going listing appointments when the sellers had used these, you'd you'd see the. You know when you get again, we teach you. This is A. Listing process when you're sitting at the table with the seller. Bring the pre listing pack over, and then again, the pre-listing package designed in such a way that you can tell exactly what they're what pages they read. You can essentially see if used the questionnaire thing if the interviewed other agents all this stuff, but you can also see how far down the list of twenty questions or twenty-one questions they got when interviewing. Perspective. That agent how far they got down the list and I don't remember a single time where the seller had asked the agents more than maybe four to six of the questions and the reason that they stopped asking the agents those questions is because they realized that the agents did know the answer and asking the agency's questions that was making him squirm probably made the seller uncomfortable. May the agent uncomfortable but oh, a really shone light on the fact that this agent is not as skilled and competent is say, for example, Julia Network and we took lots and. Lots of listings just off that forum matter of fact I can tell you guys stories it sounds like it's made up, but it's not and a couple of Americans were Jelena would sell real estate. We get called out on listing appointments maybe we call them we proactively Lee generated them or whatever. So we had listing appointment and there was a while where we were going on usually two but sometimes three appointments day we ended up actually having to have someone help us with listing appointments was coming so fast and furious but here's what happened in this particular market. Maybe the seller felt inclined to interview three different agents. We would walk up to sellers houses on the Dan time of our appointment. And the seller would often times have already filled out the listing paperwork because that's one of the things we want you guys to do is include the listing paperwork in your pre-listing pack already filled out and you're going to say, well, how do we come up with the price I tell you that Jillian I tell you how to do that in the coaching program you know and the the seller would have already filled out the paperwork just. Handed us the contract and basically we didn't even need to present. It was already done because they used our pre-listing pack. You think I'm exaggerating, but I am not that's what happens when you're dominant in the marketplace. But what did we do? What was it really doing the work for us? It was the pre listing pack. The pre-listing pack had presold. Julia night had done all the heavy lifting with regards to answer all the tough questions and. Had put the seller in a position where there are making a knowledgeable decision based on that twenty. One question thing we gave them not just an emotional one or not just because social connections. So this is what you're. This is what's called being competitive. This is what's called winning. So you guys need to take seriously this time of year and really drill down on your you're listening skills, and if you're a seasoned veteran and you don't you. Take less things I want you to think okay and I'll tell you what the answer is. Most. Agents are SAS by taking half the listings they go on. Julie talked about this a second ago half the listings you take on an F. If zoey came home from school and she was only getting half the questions tests she would be failing well, if you're only taking half the listings you're going on your failing. So why are you failing? and. Here's what agents do they rationalize their failures. The other agent told them a higher price. The other agent that the seller higher must have had a social connection. All this rationalization opposed actually owning the fact that you didn't get the listing because you not good enough. You have when you fail you have to fully engage in the feeling of failure because that fear or that horrible feeling is going to cause you to actually get better if you rationalize not suffering the feeling of failure, there's GonNa be nothing that's going to force you to actually expand your skill set so you could not fail again. And unfortunately, most agents come to us after having had their butts handed to him, enlisting appointments, numerous times, and then they realize that their cat and monkey showed that they'd woven together for listening presentation really was kind of terrible and it wasn't designed to actually help the seller, make a decision to hire them and that's Frankly, alive you guys discover us is because you'll learn how to be powerful listing agents. So the moral of the story here is this time of year even if you're if you're a seasoned veteran agent and you gotta take a hard look at the fact that you could do better if you're a new agent, obviously you've got you know you're blessed because you. Have a lot of room to improve don't learn bad things you have to unlearn. Don't waste your time doing dumb things you're going to have to basically you know be angry at yourself in the future having wasted time doing drill down remember this business. This industry life in general is all about being of service to other people the way your service to other people. tiktok videos or facebook posts or liking. Somebody's whatever the way of services is you solve their problem and the problem that these folks have is getting their house sold for the most money least amount of time the short with. The fewest hassles, right. That is what your objective is. That is what your goal is and you have to earn the skills. If you went to do all the, you know the silliness that's being pushed on agents as far as what you guys should be doing far for building your businesses do it after you have a killer skillset, do it after you have you know how to proactively lead generate not before this kind of intuitively makes sense. Doesn't it? You know I mean, think any professional for example, it's always plenty to think like you need to hire a dentist rate. Let's say a dentist of replaced. Whatever some dental issue? Well, if that dentist has, they're calling themselves Denison you guys call yourself real estate professionals, but the dentist actually maybe didn't really go to real estate or didn't go to dental school they may be sorta just did a night school thing didn't really have any actual experience but Dan. This Dennis has got great marketing man. They're all over facebook all over everything social and they look like fantastic fun loving people. But then you gotta their dental practice and you're sitting there waiting to have your tooth worked on and you quickly realize from just talking to this person that was all. They don't actually have the skill set to solve your problem. Do you see how when you're thinking of yourself as a professional you have to be the person that knows how to solve the problem first, and here's a little secret that nobody tells you win. You are known as the person that can solve problems and selling a house of solving a problem Outta high level. You will not have to do any of the fluff because the business will actually start coming to you because you'll have a reputation for somebody. WHO's a true professional? And we have thousands of coaching clients out there. That are the top producers in the country making millions of dollars per year, a lot of these agents, and you will not have ever heard of them because they focus on being of service to their sellers. They don't do fluff actually I know chuck, Williamson's listening I'm thinking of Chuck Williamson's I'm talking chuck. Williamson has maybe an assistant and a half he's going to do I don't even know how much in commissions this year. Millions of dollars in commissions he sells at most I think like two hundred, maybe two hundred and fifty units. He is in turn remember. Wilson North. Carolina. His you know his whole business is predicated on proactively generation I had to show him how to use a facebook business page and he's younger than me. Well, I'm not criticizing him. I was complimenting him. I was glad he'd never wasted any of the time with that because you know what? It wouldn't have done anything to help them lead generate in the truest sense because he goes right after the most motivated sellers and he has the skill set to convert the listings, convert those conversations listing appointments isn't that what all of you truly want? Isn't it? It is right. You want to be a listing agent because that's where you get leverage that's restart create you know frankly lots of profit and with that profit you reinvest re become rich. So I got a text this morning from chuck and Chuck is found a Beautiful House on Lake In North Carolina I assume I didn't ask that he wants to buy it. He was asking me well, Tim does make any sense to purchase a property when I'm probably buying the top of the market where there probably won't be any appreciate basically. Conceding that it was going to be a crappy investment to which I responded chuck when you earn as much money as you have when you've been successful for as long as you have at the level that you have what difference does it make all decisions with regards to money do not have to basically be with return on investment in mind and then I ended it with you only live once and you're a real long time which he appreciated, and I'm hoping get pictures chuck the cabin. On the lake that you're buying K.. So send him I, WanNa see him so moral the story here guys you want in this business comes on the other side of long periods of doing what you WanNa do when you don't want to do at the highest level Jillian I will never change our message to placate the Trans. We always tell you the truth even when you don't WanNa hear it and when you fall in skin your knee, we will help you get up and we'll say Did you hurt the sidewalk like any good parental figure would right? It's an old. That's what my dad always just say to us. You guys get the joke, right? And then we're going to set you back on course and get you back to work. That is what the job of coach is. It's not just the raw you feel good it's making suffer the pain learn from the pain pick yourself back up again and get back in the ring. That's what you should be doing for yourself or allowing us to do for you. That's how you get better and you don't have to wait decades and decades to become a dominant listing agent. You can do it right out of the Gates Julian I did our first year in the business when we sold one hundred, three houses, we had no previous real estate experience to speak of. We bought a house in college done about it. And Yeah and how do we do it? Exactly like what we're suggesting you guys do as part of our coaching program now clearly over the last two decades. The systems in the practices and everything that we have you guys do as part of our coaching program is vastly superior to what we're doing in our early twenty s. but the moral of the story is is what we did in our early twenties was the real work of real estate. It's the same thing that chuck is doing. Now it's the same thing that the top listing agents. In the country are doing, I'll give you another example jade mills you guys know her she's quite famous enroll state and she is on the West Coast and she sells luxury real estate she has you know probably one of the best reputations now I know in the current vernacular save brands but I'm not going to because what a brand is brands are being branding is being sold to you. Guys as some sort of shortcut to actually having built a reputation which by the way that's another great lie. So anyway, she has a great reputation up being one of the most successful agents certainly l. a. and let alone the country and I was interviewing you guys can google search and you'll find the podcast. It's from a while ago but she was I we're talking about teams in. You know what it was. Funny. I asked her how many people were under team already know the answer but I asked her so I wanted to talk about it and she paused and I know why she paused before she answered the question I'll tell you in the second. Then she says I don't have a team. This is what I do. This is the reason I do it the way I do it, and now what was the point? She knows it teams and a lot of these other things have become almost like political or religious movements. In other words if you're pro pro that somehow you're not part of the modern real estate Zeitgeist, just it's craziness. So she then went off to explained that her customers obviously do business with her and she wants to make sure that. They never feel delegated and she's doing expensive stuff. But the real reason why? Because she knew and she and I talked about this on the podcast that teams are not profitable and not more and more than that. The team model as it's been pushed on most of the industry that you guys are sort of seemingly following blindly blindly is does not equal maiocco more transactions at make equal more. Dollar volume and you may think I'm delegating everything. So I'm taking myself out of the front lines of dealing with buyers or sellers, but you're just replacing the work that you were doing before working with buyers and sellers now working in worrying about your team and ultimately the most efficient and profitable real estate practices are done like Chuck Williamson are done like Jade Mills are done like Rob Johnson. and. Connecticut the number one agent in Connecticut are done by people who understand that when they're building a business that the point of the real estate business, you don't get rich in real estate guys. As we say, all the time you get rich from the profits that come from selling real estate, and if you don't have prophets, then guess what you have. No chance of ever being financially free. So hopefully, all these messages appeal to. Do, this wouldn't be the number one listen to daily podcast in the nation. Do Take Delays Advice get the book Harris Rules. Do. Not Let yourself just sort of coast into the new year. Hold yourself accountable to making next year your best year ever not just an okay year not just a continuation of this year but knock it out of the park. Why not? Why not just hit the hard reset load in new software an attack twenty, twenty one don't worry about all the things that the media's telling you to worry about you know hit the WHO cares button on that one you just focus on making your twenty twenty one the best year ever for physical focus on physical focus on financial focus on the. Things that matter to you but as a real estate professional next year is going to be one of we're entering into. What we think is a long term trend. We're real estate is going to absolutely take off and go to the next level like we never experienced before it's going to be you are in the right place at the right time. Now, it's really important that you move away from the fluff in the bright shiny objects and you drill down and accept the fact that if you WanNa be relevant if you WANNA to be rich, you've got to have the skill sets to earn. The right to be of service to other cell to sellers. primarily. If you're not doing that, you're going to quickly find yourself becoming obsolete listen to our past podcast. Guys don't fear change embrace. Let let your competitors spirit you embrace it you look for it you love it and then you basically become part of it and you're mark gets you know you become the change agent don't be don't be afraid to be the only agent that's not doing all the silly things that makes agents, Brooks and teams broken brokers Brooke be the agent that actually runs a profitable business, the agent that actually Becomes independently wealthy from investments you buy from the Prophet you create from your allstate business you are in the right business. This is the right time, but it's all dependent on whether or not. You're going to do the smart thing and take the right actions. So guys drill down be impatient don't give yourself a break. Don't stop and smell the roses K. don't wait to feel the passion just do the work on the other side of that is what you want in life I. Promise you consider getting the book heiress rules. It's available at Barnes and Noble Amazon Dot Com. It's available everywhere. Really. Can Thank you for making that book bestseller. Thank you. For All of you guys have given us five star reviews on I tunes and all the other places. We certainly appreciate it and thank you for continuing to make this number. LISTEN TO PODCASTS for agents. If you guys need me for anything noise text me directly five, one, two, seven, five, eight, Oh, two Oh, six especially if you want to talk with me about joining R. E. X. P. Group, just text me directly at five one, two, seven, five, eight, zero, two, zero six. Thank you have a fantastic day. 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Influence vs Information

The Combat Divas Podcast

36:31 min | 9 months ago

Influence vs Information

"Combat Diva stomp your left combat the no sugar coating G. U. Shipping and we are back for another warranting edition of the combat back. Yeah and onto the world's needs to be you. Must you take your phone? So what was discussed said Because we do a lot of Shandon between you know keeping our communication going on and keeping our social distance which is because we're best easy so we gotta emission play to the rules but what we've been noticing it is the is influence so a lot of my influence is common from a lot of social media coming from the news and we can it's unavoidable because with intelligence to do stay at home only go out when it's absolutely necessary so we find ourselves. Doing a lot of grocery store runs we far as we go to the curb get mail and went to the door so he goes to the grocery store for fun now. Is this social outing base. Sometimes I put on faces down. I also think the lip you know when I amass down like a mask back on getting people in Provo section all safety blue blocker. You blocks your booth. Glad he got to risk wells. Got Red Lines you know he best distance but if I know that I'm going and I'm like really keep my mask on. Make sure you know below Mascaro all because the hasty map. You always look amazing. I can't tell you this. We all have criteria associate. I have babies. Maybe he said according Sensitive I don't know I think we all get a low of getting a little sensitive little more sensitive. I think that This quarantine it allows you to downtown so you do a lot of thinking you really connect in which mental space Some people is taking it in a way of going on a more positive note thinking of New Strategies if they already entrepreneur on thinking of different strategies to be more essential in towns like this They're thinking of other ways to grow the money when the when when Elsa opens back up some people need a little bit more of a a check in because they fall on the latter part of it Long some news loneliness A lot of people are really quarantining completely along so not having a lot have not real interaction speaking to people so some feeling a little bit depressive. I get it in time following a veteran. Ptsd sometime you know skate on the land of it but Nina bring myself out of it to video chat or quarantine with my mom a son so you know. I'm I'm considered. Bless yes I think. Being with other people in quarantine does hell. I also know that it can make. All docs creep wanted to go back to over metric relationships. You know failed. Relationships maybe friendships. Big Nation just That lonely and so You know necessarily Kinda had a try to keep a positive Attitude about everything. It is especially alone because even even for myself. I have a addictive personality. I think we've talked about this yesterday in easily. Hooked on things like you know it can be anything. Games accord drugs but like I pretty addictive to me. Like I'm easily also and I have to keep the island with the coroner thankfully husband my daughters but back sometime and you're like okay. I don't I don't need to do this. You know I'll have to go back this way but those people you know cocaine twice so you know it's okay being you know being transparent and just understanding that like these are the things that you notice about yourself in things that you have to pay attention to because you don't WanNa fall victim to any of that stuff. I Know People Picking Up Smoking Habits Drinking Habits on a wet. We want people to kind of fall into more of a positive habits. Not Not no this. No this you can keep at wine. You can keep which is by no reassume of people. We just don't want somebody coming out of this team with would any newfound habits war on expanding to have a like the way what was not a habitable four name a habit avenue. Because you do more I mean it could be. You'll have a. You'll have a a a meter like ten o'clock in the morning last one while this is food. My industry balloonist a addition. It is and it's hard because I don't WanNa controls the food on. I'm the one that you know. I'm I'm making the income because thankfully enough. I'm still able to you know I'm able to work from home and make a living still so I'm the but then also more less vulnerable nothing. I'm not not saying that I can't get the you know the virus or whatever is just a compared to my son my son. He's eleven he's not GonNa get wound and I don't take him with me and my mom is You know in range of the elderly or whatever she sixty five so that's the main thing on. Tv is one acrobats immune system in elderly sixty five right as sixty five and older. Absolutely I might definitely want her out so I gotta take one for. The family can be action. What have you that? You've been able to navigate the waters them now only be apparent. But now you're saying thank you so I good to know where your your left right boundaries a letter Eliza right boundaries a and where your influence is live in. We've talked about this recently. How research a need for cotton that we're going social media of course and six offers all time. Have you never made it? I have a tic account I will say that but I have I got that countdown as follows associated. You know six and I mean it's a round hole you roy that I need cotton happy to thank for my tick tock account. Okay so even leave. A post videos. Probably allied to videos posted on my separate tic TAC account Tunisia be every video is likely. Just scroll this girl is is w Scott and they share it. 'cause it's like all my dad you die in so you gotta share 'cause you WanNa be able to have to. It's it's so much but then we also get influenced by the content from celebrities. The ones that's also with a we're all in this together. We got to fight this alone together. We'RE GONNA make it out this long but gather in this like Oh shot with us a lot of the lot of you because Oh my gone the ones that subject to a lot of like with the virus a Lotta Vulnerable. People are inconvenienced areas where it's like apartment buildings heavy dense populated areas and here. They are holed up in bear pit houses at the top of the biggest city or they apple in the mountains. Right next to get down Oprah next today on a we'll slipping Jada next to the Karbaschi. Ism calabasses right with. This is what she needs to do. And this is what this this other thing that you need to do this link. Y'All have basketball courts cintas courts in vide- pools? Okay going underground. Who's paying basically now movie? I'LL TAX SIG on. Your house is bad personal chefs. So it'd be tackled Tuesday Sundays. We don't even know what the it is. When when is Tuesday what would they? Is it today who knows we only got yesterday today tomorrow right? We don't even matter no days. All of these things and I are easy for you now. What about the people that got a two bedroom apartment is like fat people? How be small may thank hongling thing that we do have long? The biggest fast balls have bigger spaces where that's separate from rest of the house. We can't do that but yes once bare a week. Renounce mean. Ross Perot because you have no word. You can't rate have bad weather snow or rain or snow or year the Blizzard Small. Toco back though you release so I appreciate some of the celebrities that accurately acknowledged like heck. I believe I mean it's been inside but I will. I mean how was your interview all known like affected your life. She's like any less over so that for me and after media the biggest seemed likely they are really drinks and they are not struggles. Not Say we're not is sipped ever on TV in their eighteen hundred square foot pool. The House is like we're together dollar pool. Hey Hey guys staying on hand out down. What are they gonNA Camera Guy Camera Guy with Keeney on they got their pool is ship you. Are we really in this together? That in this fear of influence was a unfortunately our social influence or our celebrities. Tom This has been a thing forever. But now social media with everything being so instant in that access that we see more now than ever that that our social influences in our celebrities really set the tone for how we deal with emergencies and I think celebrities were not like taking fourteen seriously. Then a lot of people wouldn't now granted keeps of. No THEY WANNA do Michigan. Fool fucking overall right now but you know it is and I do WanNa know if that if you if you see any pictures of Michigan and everybody of roar at. He says I'm not racist. But it's all white people on the roles in whatever in a group of people with rifles on the at the capital of any state. We would have been shot but is wiping Michigan Years Lake as you let to save from the Jim Crow. You'd be like that's what it is crazy. But I believe on Balenciaga Nope that's twenty twenty. No say what I saw at the office today and it was all I'd be but the capital of Saumur Michigan will will capture missing is and they were just like like eight hundred savings posters. Should free us now right now site around nevertheless because it would go offline have rights. I mean people of Color. We also have rights now with that views it are. They always acknowledged all along. Okay we're we're all created equal until we're not like that with with with no way we same black lives matter. Protesters get arrested in a just got the signs left just young goalies they gets at the the rating at the low ready here right outside and Trittin Wheel Liberals Today. Nobody they have a right that have rights. You like okay. Yeah so anyway we the Blackhawks. They like all last eight in Hancock. July that aside John State moment just like we know what we can do but we also know what we can do. Yeah that's true and we'll we'll talk a little bit but that savage. So what enough celebres? Okay so tarries I. He can be patronizing soon so like he can't do these videos it. You Got Short attention Spain. Just don't don't come here because this will be released video of post. He said the last five million people. The real issue is more real than he's giving tips and tools on to stay healthy during the pandemic arises. Appreciate it I was able to push through all the Blah Blah Blah pay attention BLAH BLAH BLAH. Release the rulers years to get to the meat and potatoes of it. I tried it was. It was a eight minute video so you know my my impatience put together. Though he was in a lot of fluids on vegetables get ginger. Ginger shots tumor rag and and the whole time. I mean you had a nice little personal chef in the background. I was like we make sure we take our shots every day. I mean we will prepare it lost To get this. I remember when when his other Videos either got a post. He was like he was storage unique. Make sure your storage unit is filled with all the nonperishable rules and make sure your stars like we don't have a like into keep it cool You keep a cold so make sure you get your storage unit with air conditioning. A Yoga I gotta spit on that. So that's a barely. Fill up a whole pantry. If they got a street filled up their refrigerator fill up their freezers. They only get as much as they can put in store without wasting their food while Without wasting money will go out and get you. Some people got a storage unit right now just two houses or two ago and can't even afford to keep that shit together without them back to auction off base shit absolutely hit on storage wars. Some shit a night don't suggested like that. We are packaged citing. All people not working right now is insane is so we are not Simon at arena and unemployment goes you know. Sometimes we tend made insperity and I want to be sure not to do the Iniguez town far removed from from things acid. Yada things I mean just maybe as I grow older. I tried to consider. Every thing is going on people and of course it will fall short of it but I really do track really make the effort concerning to similar states taxes income tax on all kinds of things. I mean cathedral rather well we gotta pay back next year. Not Human all can now. Now I mean let's be eating. Food is crazy right. Make your maker information. Universal made it on the universal. I May I is baseline at the very very bottom essential as possible. Like hey if you can't make sure you get enough canned goods. I mean a lot of can goods are places all the or whatever other you know Barbara Store where you can get a can of corn without fifty cents for the United States wherever you buy groceries on it stuff like on Pasta you. Can you know bodily make like stuff like that but Jong have people make it as like we are? Bank accounts. Aren't saying you can't count was my pocket. I can't count wasn't here which was showing me that on his other. Guerrillas video just went out and got one of these e so fucking like five person fucking sauna. That's non-regular like we can't. That's everything my bank account to go ahead and you know I got a sauna. We go be nice and hot would be booth in a nice little cool. Lights won't be bored US OUT OF THE FRONT E- exactly and that's what I would. I want to be able to know help people without. Hey I know rock has done to to help because you know that that takes away from the help but we do. We can to help the community reach out again off season race. And so that's taken away from that amazing amazing things. I've seen as far as community coming together helping small businesses the arrest roads US businesses. Are the Chicago Mirror recently on today I mean the daily shows are Trevor Noah. Talking about the great thing that she's done Chicago you've been on a lot of Russian. I mean even with all the we make but she has gone through a lot of adversity shoppers. Through saying last year the Mare for using humor to reach net our social media age. You know 'cause that's where we are so she recent demo social media she got tossed on the lowest liberty now because because a means like I love the job. I'm uses to save lives. I'M GONNA use it to keep you in the House and she has done this and I've deleted have her face on everything closing night pictures of the leg and close. The Guy Admits Laurie life with own in front of the big Ad Lori lightfoot at the park in front of the bars why did you just aim uses eight also Saddam's solicited so far but that's a instance and using your influence at that point in time to try to give good information difference between information and influence and scale the right direction? The realized was was influencing you in west is trying his invention as far as people prey on crisis and situations like those people on in stocks. Yesterday I was cannot stand with you do this. I can find no transition vinyl. You made me in Iraqi area relationship wise and I say to you you you deserve in czar. `Bout Greg Williams with of my mind you on the social media social media life coaches. Yeah these social lead. We were one away at another mistrial. I think the immigration in the end that people make their disease. Everybody can be influenced. Somehow I turn on the TV. And so I won't task. Might one back games about again but at the same time please be responsible which will influence may. I said the ones. That's the shut in madame cells in had her like a friend in like a day and a half a rangeland up kids they could be on a conference. A video conference at work teleworking. Would he be really busy? What everybody is believed that? Everybody's everybody should else to do or have nothing but time but a lot of people really don't have that same level of time what you do while they're busy doing stuff that you really not knowing what's going on you look at these videos like all your friends age of free and you look alike fuck down. Yeah they're not friends gave or a dude share or you know homegirl. Ain't shit you know. All these things is some stuff like relationships of all facets is not perfect whether it be marriages friendships You know just cross aboard all the ships but basically yeah and if it's going to be some type of trying times each bowl with this isolation is isolating new is isolating your mind. You clean focused in age. Are you hearing those words coming? From whatever device. She missed it to an aunt. Who got you fired up? Exactly why I even have to watch myself too because I was watching the oldest guy them. We'll be like it's not the oldest but it's twenty five years old is it is just so crazy to think of something made in nineteen ninety five and we're looking at twenty twenty new damn years ago. Exhale wait wait okay. Please tell us what happened because I love. We will be right back after this best word from our sponsor right was looking for wellness line. That cares about you. Look no further wholeness oasis. Is My one stop shop for athletic? Wear daily planners motivation much. More shock with wholeness aces at wholeness. Ace's DOT COM and use Promo Code Combat Divas at checkout for special savings. You won't be sorry again. That's WHOLENESS OASIS DOT com and Combat de Esta Promo Code at the checkout. Talk to you soon bye so I was watching Talking about influence all watching and waiting takes out today in the movie so I was like ten I am. I get all my Sean my age. I don't care thirty five fabulous. I don't give a day are a banana. I realized how all the women were in. The movie is up and it's just like I still looked good. I still look good to great. I was Li- remember like when I seen this movie. My Momma let me see when I was since I a little bit later. I like to get down. Oh now I was like whatever I still would be why I'm still alive but what I'm saying is like the influence of that really made me think about over ships almost making me WanNa dal up. Some people say was all my mind is also kind of making me. Think of like current things will be our. You know he'll never leave. Why other Girls House on ebay wives all types of just craziness ninety China getting personal like that? But it's just you know had to bring myself back because it had me low key round up action then you got to models influencing you to be these terrible as people gathered around a. My mom was watching with me over here at like he all the data from the her mom incurred to be. This terrible asked me. This man does which are Mama's do Ha- about why cps it gets in now got to keep all. What did you got some time? Morrison say it does being Iraqi movie. It was all about a person's then I'll look at the location. I was like Huh next Adds get up at our location location location. I had to get up. Get up how good stuff had to get out. You'RE GONNA song far but I do dead that Can make a difference. But that's why was there anything? That's alright transitional transitional brooches I called transition of people praying gone through west standing glass another circumstance. Because you say almost anything in a related I are rocky. Ram May message is already. But I mean I'd say zeal see their friends Blah Blah and. That's what now people these can offer is now of rain Boat I need you because I'm better nece deserve the greatest brands of like we just had a little spat Rocco so now now that not that it's a head is just like they haven't and I didn't feel like give more you take more in. Oh God this big about you being over something and get triggered something in watches scene in the movie we see a clip or see a name you that over though if I can. I can article. You unearth things. You think you pass something at the Assam. Come up their soul. Oddly familiar to your situation then I knew I should see our to ease the Manashian. I knew I suggest you know 'cause they think I just walk all over me. All cake got nothing. And he hosted you like missiles potatoes. You like steel. The steel granted bitch. I wanted my shirt back between GAC. That shirt normal you like would trigger factory. Sorry back I whole situation so I said I say I mean you just have to be careful about what we influence that during these vulnerable towns. Because all we're doing is looking at content this nat- down by anybody with professional in the D. Or anything by behind your name your social media preaches. That's what it is. Social media preaches social media. Life coaches on chatting a resume with us. Here should here hopefully in the near future some things that's going on a lot of people are going through me so much. I know friends of mine. That's going through depression. Anxiety is creeping on during this time is that whole unknown with is going to eat in going to go back to work make more money. I mean that induces anxiety and so I am on edge Washington News in the news. Don't be good information anyway. I mean so. I'm so I'm like I know it's out there but at this point I'm like I'm all corona doubt me a lot. Here's coronal thanks Mike. If I'm getting it from getting it from the TV. I'm getting it from social media in the end you have people call you and they want to sit on the phone and they WanNa talk about it in if you have you know other adults or whatever Shannon space with you in the Navy WanNa talk about it in this just like there is a such thing as kind of like a like overkill without Steph and his legacy surrounding US outside in his also surrounding you inside only after found a way to stay like this mentally healthy yet. Absolute mentally healthy is a is a good word because again with influences as to be pushed into a direction where they feel like they didn't come out of this with some amazing grand plan idea. They wasted their time. Time with your family lit at Nashville town with their families all year. Really or in the let. I'm sorry. Let like six months eight months and are now down in. Catch up amazing to me. You know that's being mentally healthy. That's knowing I think it gave people a chance to know what matters most. Now you know that your job is your everything is GonNa be shaky family is which going to have. The ever are noticing. That and I'm actually applaud father. This happening in shame who combined this amazing amazing whatever that may not be everybody's playing dream. What would want parents in a chance to see? How kids really doing school. Absolutely I say then they see in wet like what's really going on with the kid. What's what's really going on with. Their spouses was on with you. Know parents like all types of things they get a chance to get like a fat row seats alive stuff. They really didn't pay attention to during the hustle and bustle of every day. Because as you know taking stock is that town was really. You don't even realize it because you just because this autopilot you just going going going going you go to work comeback Work you help kids with homework or you. You know you know another cameras car or whatever type of Jackie Guide. You still taking the work home. Still working doing the actual most app live is just going like so now. Everybody chance to take a moment and take a rub. It is like I had the have LX LLC. Get Out of this. I'M GONNA have audience stocks and shares an online guy in the seven dollars. Jahmai Muslim Rudy.

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#HellPortal Has Opened  DTNS 3887

Daily Tech News Show

29:53 min | 3 months ago

#HellPortal Has Opened DTNS 3887

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The portal opens for facebook and twitter stopping deep fakes right at the processor level and animatronic dolphins. This is the daily Tech News for Thursday October, Fifteenth Twenty. Twenty in Los Angeles on John Merit and from studio red with it. I'm Sarah Lane Remote Oakland California I'm Justin Robert Young. And I'm the show's producer ascertain. We were just talking about. Idea that you can't use getting hacked as an excuse anymore because it's all over the GIG is up. Get that wider conversation good day internet become a member of Patriot dot com slash. S Let's start with a few things you should know. Barnes and noble confirmed it experienced unauthorized and unlawful access to certain Barnes and noble corporate systems on October tenth causing outages in Nick. Service and cash registers outages continued through. Wednesday when Barnes and noble acknowledged system failure and added Thursday. It has no evidence that customer data was exposed but can't rule out the possibility just yet no financial data was exposed snap introduced snapchat. Sounds on IOS letting users dad's song clips to snap stories. Snap has deals in place with BMG Universal Warner and Merlin for tracks notably, it does not have music from Sony so having up on a snap though we'll give you music which will show the album art song title and name of the artist with links to listen to the whole song on various streaming services Dj I announced two new Kimble's the Ronin to and the smaller Ronin s c. to the STF has a small one point four inch touchscreen display that supports active track without a need to put your smartphone on top of the camera, which is nice. Dj I also introduced the Titan. Stabilization Algorithm to optimize speed dead band and acceleration settings both Kimble's have built in batteries for up to twelve hours of use and both feature a new quick charge function both are now available eight, hundred, forty, nine dollars s four, hundred, ninety, nine dollars for the SC to. We need a gong. Yahoo. Announced to users. It will shutdown Yahoo Groups on December. Fifteenth. Twenty Twenty Yahoo suggests facebook groups next door google groups groups dot io as alternatives. In fact, groups DOT IO supports importing members from Yahoo Groups. And of. Well Apple announced that it will not include headphones with the new iphone twelve four most customers. Those in France will receive a free pair of wired ear pods French regulations require phone makers to include a hands free kit at a customer's request as a precautionary move to protect children under fourteen from any potential risks of electromagnetic waves from the device promoting the use of a mobile device without a hands-free accessory is also a offense in the country. Let's talk a little bit more about stopping deep fix Sarah. How do we do it? Well, seen it report on a San Diego Startup called true pick developing a system to verify the authenticity of videos and. True pick foresight runs on snapdragon processors and creates a digital signature that can be then used to prove an image has not been manipulated or deep faked. The effort goes along side similar systems being developed by cannon for its devices Adobe has won for it software, but true pick hopes to embed its technology and qualcomm processors. So it would be available on the majority of phones. QUALCOMM processors are kind of everywhere true pick foresight works by moving. Images taking insecure mode to the secure enclave where then authenticates pixels date and time Geo location. A three depth map creates a crypt talk cryptographic signature also so it's a lot public key infrastructure is used for validation as well. So if you want to try it out, Rubik offers an APP for android called Vision Camera that uses true. Pick foresight to embed signatures in phones taken within the up in the photos and the photos taken within the yeah. Not. The I'd like that because it's not it's a phone level yet the APP let you try at the signature but the point being, of course, as you mentioned that eventually they want to put this into the chip that it's just happening anytime an APP takes advantage of it. Now granted every up every photo, APP would have to take advantage of it that would be up to the manufacturers, the phone, the makers of camera APPS, etc.. But with as you said, ninety percent of the phones out there at least particularly android phones running on qualcomm chips. If they strike this deal pretty much every phone would have that capability. This is kind of been a worry that we have had technology for the last thirty years. The idea that are is indeed Ken Lie to us, and we saw a lot of the cultural fears around photo shop. Along these lines at software can change what we found. Is that people who were practitioners in the software were able to tell elements of its use. So of course, this building is not actually You can tell that this is the stamp tool that was used to make it look as such it. That's indistinguishable from a somebody's random I but not for somebody who knows what it is the question now is with deep fakes. Are we getting beyond even somebody who knows how to use deep pigs? To tell whether or not, this is something that has been altered. So I think this is the next level figuring out a way of for us to tag these things earlier, and if this isn't the solution, my hope is that we continue to find different places in the chain to authenticate photos. So there's just one more piece of evidence to show that we can trust what we're looking at. Yeah I think. This is this is going to be I've got three questions about put it that way. Does this work well. With will, in fact, in practice and I shouldn't say work will it be effective in combating depicts? Will we get trained to look for whether it's from Canon or adobe or true pick will be trained to look for that check mark to go like I can trust this image it's verified and look askance at any photo that doesn't have it. That's what makes this effective if we're all trained to say like I saw this crazy picture, but it didn't have the little check you know so. Fake. I'm not going to believe it, and that takes us a bit of social learning. We all have to get used to that has to be out there in the wild a lot and we have to get used to seeing it. The other part is, can it be faked? Can Somebody Hack these digital signatures? Trooper is doing all the right things putting it in the secure enclave, making it a cryptographic Lee sealed signature. But pretty much everything can be hacked. It's a matter of how and win. There's also just there's a lot of. Well I don't want to say lazy it's just convenient ways that people share images on the Internet these days whether it's on mobile devices or otherwise you know take a screen grab in a variety of ways so. Original. Image that has a check mark saying it's authentic or doesn't you know that's not always going to be the end image that you end up seen that might be shared by early? And that's why the training is required in other words it's not the check mark is on the image it's that the checkmark is generated. It's. Played, because the cryptographic signature is there and if you're taking a screen shot and spreading it, then we all have to get trained to go. Yeah. But it's not generating the little check mark I'm using checkmark. checkmark but what whatever that symbolise? Yeah. But. and. We're going to get into this a little bit later in the show you'd just want points of data. You just want as many fail safes as possible because the world isn't black and white. We're always piecing together a little pieces of it to make a better understanding for ourselves and to to markups point in the Chat Room I. Wonder if there will be tagged altered by the artist. Yes. Both Adobe and troop pick have systems that they want to put in place to allow you to see how an image was edited so that if an artist is like, yeah, no, I did edit this. You can see like, Oh, yes, it was edited but it was edited by whom by the original artists intentionally, etc and I've talked to some photojournalists who are like really love that I don't WanNA reveal how I. touched. Up My photo I don't want that to be something that people always see and in the adobe situation that's optional. But if it's optional than, does it become as effective? lament of the artist. GERMAN MOBILE MEASUREMENT COMPANY ADJUST RELEASED A report on subscription services in the United States adjust worked with census a wide to survey one thousand and three TV and streaming customers aged sixteen to sixty in the US between September twenty third and twenty ninth streaming video apps made up thirty point seven percent of subscription based APP downloads followed by gaming and news consumers who use streaming entertainment services spend an average of thirty three dollars and fifty eight cents a month on them. Net flicks, Amazon Prime Hulu Disney plus and new DVD made up the top five favorite streaming services. This is lower than I thought it would be honestly I mean I subscribed to Youtube TV. The prices went up a little bit recently at sixty five bucks for per month now used to be fifty. But it still exponentially cheaper than any traditional cable service that I used to pay for, which was oh. Always a over one hundred dollars. I wonder. I wonder how many folks are like? All right. Well, now that we have all a card options, we just have to choose the stuff that we care about in the way that we never were able to with cable subscriptions before I. Mean. I. Don't know anybody WHO's like I have one hundred and fifty channels and I watch them all now you watch five but you like the fact that there one, hundred and fifty. But if you don't have to do it that way, then you end up paying less. Sorry Thom Gunn Donohoe no. I was just GonNa. Say the perception too is that people are spending even more now than they used to and I to like you Sarah was was taken by the idea that this was only thirty three dollars and fifty eight cents when everyone thinks the average cable bill is lower than it is the average cable bill is somewhere north of one hundred, one, hundred, fifty dollars if you if you go and look it up, it's because they always advertise forty dollars a month, but it doesn't stick their and too many people aren't you know good enough on keeping up on in and making sure they get the low promotional rate. So. We pay a lot for cable TV, and this is the replacement. Even if it goes up, there's a lot of room to go up. Dare is and and really the big difference here is that we are not looking at a world where everybody is competing in the same business model, which is what you had with the satellite and cable situation Channels were only going to the they set their prices at this amount. You know three dollars, for example, at the high end per subscriber, and that is a one way. Street nobody was ever going to negotiate that number down. It was only ever going to go up. We. Might see that creep again in some of these slings and Hulu lives and Youtube TV's going forward although their bundles they're starting at a smaller bundles. At smaller bundles that you're able to mix match a little bit more. But what really changes the game and why does number is so low is that our culture is centered around a lot of the originals on streaming, and that's why that number gets his low not because they have stuff like Sarah and Tom, I'm assuming you have some live a distributor it's because they just have netflix and Amazon prime and guess what they're able to watch stranger things and the Marlboros Mrs Mazel like everybody else in Thursday night football on. Amazon Thursday night football so. That's why that number is as low. If we continue to get into the over the top streaming live channel battle, that number will creep up higher. But the the good news is we got what we wanted more stuff cheaper prices and I don't think it ever gets his high because you have control. This is the other thing this points out is you? Can Cancel Amazon prime. You can cancel Netflix's whittle away at that amount they and you can switch from Sling Youtube at and T. TV there are more competitors to choose from but I cannot tell you how many friends and family I have because I'm always the person that people come to like I don't I get this and what's the coolest thing and Who say? Well, but I just cancelled Netflix the only place I can watch that show everyone's talking about that show man this is all too much. I think that the fact that people are paying less is not because they don't want to pay for all the services. Well, it's because they don't WanNa pay for all the services. It's not that they don't want this services. It's. Just, kind of got to choose your battles of always loved the content always hated the bill. Well folks we are going to talk about facebook and twitter and Hashtag portal to hell in a second but first I, WanNa thank all those who participate in our sub breaded. We get some great story ideas over there. Some stories, vote on them at daily. Tech News. Show DOT REDDIT DOT com. Now yesterday we did mention that facebook was limiting the reach of posts with a link to a New York Post story about Hunter Biden Vice President Joe Biden's son. Twitter subsequently blocked the ability of its users to link to the story at all or post images from that story because twitter said, it violated its hacked materials policy more on that in a second. This is the first time that either has gone after an established news organization. In this way. The new. York Post founded in eighteen o one by Alexander Hamilton, you may have heard of his musical It is currently owned by News Corp. you may have heard of succession that doesn't make infallible of course, but it's not an upstart it's not run by unknowns. This is an established media company. Now, the post story sources information from a MAC book pro dropped off at a Delaware repair shop and never picked up the shopowner says that they made a copy of a hard drive before handing it over to the FBI they handed at the FBI because of the nature of the content on. The Post story shows multiple e mails, but those emails do not show Meta data or other headers. The sources who brought the information to the post are from the opposite party to the Democratic candidate for president, and the Democrat campaign says they were not contacted about the critical elements of the story. So there are a few questions about whether all standard journalist practices were followed in this reporting, but the story is not unique in that there was an Atlantic story about the president's remarks on military members. Recently, there was also based on unverifiable sources. In both cases, it's up to you to trust the editorial organization. Or play detective and try to uncover evidence in the stories themselves, which ends up throwing it in the laps of social networks. When Democrats in some journalists, the story is not reliable and could do damage if it goes viral and therefore should be blocked, and of course, the streisand effect means that we've made this the most well known story of the day, but we're a tech show. So let's get to the tech part. How do social networks determine if they should take action on this? Both these companies have policies. FACEBOOK invoked a policy from October Twenty First Twenty nineteen that reads in many countries including the US. If we have signals that a piece of content is false, we temporarily reduced its distribution pending review by third party fact Checker, which is exactly what they did. They had a policy that says, Hey, man if we think this is really going viral and it could do damage and it might be false. We're going to go ahead and free reduce it while we fact check it so they followed their policy. We don't know what the signals word that made them think ostensibly, it's all the journalists who do not work at the post claiming it's a weak story and it's also unclear how you go about fact checking a story based on private documents and sources you don't have access to but that's what they're doing to twitter. It introduced rules against hacked materials in two thousand eighteen to stop duxing. And it updated that policy and March Twenty nineteen. That policy says posting hacked content on twitter E. G. in the text of a tweet or in image and linking to hacked content hosted on other websites is prohibited and it has implemented that policy before it shut down the Dido Secrets Account, which posted news worthy leaked documents. But this is the biggest test of that policy and it's the letter of the policy. These were hacked documents from a laptop unauthorized by the owner of the laptop, and therefore, you can't linked to them or re post the images under twitter policy. But one wonders would they make an exception for a story in the public interest like leaks by Chelsea manning or Edward Snowden, which theoretically would violate this policy if those things were coming out today, hold that thought. Couple, more quick points twitter and facebook have not broken any laws. Notwithstanding FCC Chairman Ajit Pai plans to move forward on a rulemaking to clarify section to thirty. Because Pi said, social media companies do not have a First Amendment right to a special immunity denied to other media outlets such as newspapers and broadcasters. He's right. The First Amendment doesn't give you the immunity section to thirty does and section two thirty doesn't have anything to do with this. No matter how much you might want it to section two thirty means if outlets decide to control what's on their platform, they won't be penalized for allowing illegal content posted by someone else on their platform to slip through it is meant to say you can decide what goes on your platform without being liable for what a third party puts on your platform. It protects your right to. editorialize exactly the way that twitter and facebook are accused of doing it doesn't apply. This is a first amendment situation in the first. Amendment has been interpreted to protect a platform from deciding what it can and cannot carry. You don't have to think it's fair. They have a First Amendment right to sex and two thirty just doesn't make it liable for what other people say on its. Platform specifically giving it the right to make aditorial decisions of what they allow on the platform that was the whole point of six and two thirty was before it was either all or nothing you either had to let everything on the platform or nothing on the platform or you were liable for what anybody else says. So this bringing sexy to thirty into this weird to me anyway. Being legal doesn't mean you have to do it. So Justin Sarah, what do you do you think this is all going to have. Tom This is all preceding has seen and everybody who has listened to daily new show understands that I have been calling for for the last several years. It is again say it with me friends Hashtag Help Ward Oh. For the hell. This is the biggest example that I can remember seeing of it largely due to the loud nature of our American political system and the current phase we are at in our electoral season. I don't agree. With twitter's ruling, specifically a whole that for a second and just get to the facebook thing the one thing I would like to add to your description of it. Signals that there might be content that could do damage to the election could also and I'm drawing a line here be facebook being informed by. Intelligence agencies or other security firms that there are certain pieces of information that they believe will be fed through through news sources if that is the case. Then, I believe there is a reasonable expectation that facebook should be up front about that, and furthermore should be transparent about. Even if They're not revealing it immediately. They should be upfront about things that they have been told once they make these kinds of editorial decisions that shaped their news content as for twitter. I think this was overbroad. I think this was terrible precedent. And I don't believe that at least the spirit of their hacked materials clause, which to me is more along the lines of raw dumps in pay spin and stuff like that should be a stretching out to organizations that already have a lot on the line and our vetting these stories at least to their own detriment. Should they get sued for libel? or in the case of television network slander. The The New York Post story something that I think there are a lot of journalistic questions about I have. I have very legitimate journalistic questions that we could go through here. If this were a different guy to show however, I don't believe that these are unique I think that there's a tremendous amount of journalistic that you can ask specifically in terms of political reporting. So, you're a twitter you're living twitter policy us. Yes yes. Again when As they get into this game and they start making the rules as they're going, they're going to get into. Trouble and ultimately I think both of these companies need to have. Just big hard lines in the sand of exactly what they are going to do, and then they need to take the heat when they are making controversial interpretations of that specifically in these in in our current political time, we're look you're GonNa get yelled at you're going to get yelled at if. A people believe that this is Russian propaganda but guess what if it's not a not violating anything else that you allow on your platform then I don't see how you can censor. It's so interesting and not always in a good way. To Watch and evolving company tried to evolve and figure out these these kinds of issues like it's not like you're selling Coca Cola and it's like that's what we sell. Just drink it or you'd like it or you don't like it. That's what we do. It's it's it's constantly changing Jack Dorsey twitter's. Wrote in response today about this whole debacle. Quotes are communication around our actions on the new. York Post article was not great and blocking Ural sharing via tweet or M. With zero contacts as to why we're blocking was unacceptable. Now I don't think that that was wrong i. think that communication especially from the top is important especially when a companies like we should have approached differently and we've learned something in the process but but depending on who you are and what you want to believe you read something like that and you go they they don't know what they're doing. You know now they have to apologize they've really screwed up here and There's so many mixed messages that people can get from things like this, and it happens all the time particularly twitter but facebook as well. I think in the end where where I come at this is is is more and more to just what Justin said years ago, which is as soon as you start even hinting towards deciding what is okay on your platform, what's true and what's not and adjudicating that you're going to end up in these issues where someone doesn't agree with you and there's going to be controversy over that and and we have seen other examples but this is the biggest one so far. All right folks. We needed a Moose Bush? So let's move on from this and talk about some dolphins. Tom Your timing is so good 'cause Reuters reports on edge innovations. It's a company which has developed a remote control animatronic dolphin that thinks could be used in movies or even theme parks. The Dolphin weighs two hundred fifty kilograms and his two and a half meters long looks like Dolphin skin is made from medical grade silicon it costs three to five million dollars to make. So these are not cheap dolphins but they. Are Supposed to be realistic after all edges using the animatronic dolphin in a partnership with teach kind from Petah. That's people for the ethical treatment of animals. Edge Creative Director Hallsberg describes it as kind of sesame street underwater situation. The company says it could possibly make sharks or even Jurassic era reptiles as well. Oh man can you imagine if Mega Don came jumping out of the marine, world, pool and tricks? I don't know I mean I went to a lot of zoos and and and marine. Theme Parks Kid over time it has become not that they don't exist anymore but there's the treatment of animals has become much more at the forefront of of what we should all be doing and and some of those theme parks has suffered but really as a kid, you're, yeah, you're on a school trip you're trying to learn things a lot of this stuff could really still be fun and teachable and we'd all come away learning something and have a good. Time and you would have to have really animals. There is also a classic pita story. They love getting any time that they can get their name out. That isn't necessarily about something gruesome, an awful and brutal and part of the solution and not the problem they loved to do it. So it doesn't surprise me that their names on. Well, we're glad to take advantage of that here today to kind of lighten things up here at the end of the show. Let's check out the bag. Let's do it a bruce and his guide dog stew for those of you on our video feed. We've got a picture always love the love the love the animal pictures. Bruce. Wanted to comment on. Microsoft's seen a story from Wednesday bruce who is a vision impaired says, I use the scene a APP to help read my mail among other small print. I'm curious to see how will integrate. Into office also use doom text for screen enlargement as well, and I noticed when using voiceover on facebook sometimes describes the picture and also any caption texted and I really appreciate that. 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Industry insiders are all glorifying Jared Anderson as the key reason. was able to be deontay the bronze bomber wilder that horrific February twenty eighth, but listen man. This is what we're going to be doing. We're GONNA. Be Talking to America's new heavyweight hailing from toe leader. Ohio shuttle Marcus Ohio runs boxing. You guys keep breeding them now. This kid is. And should be set up to win because of the team around him. His trainer K. Comoro same trainer as like I've told you guys. Michaela Mayor Answer Chicago Stevenson, a mental and reward just all the right things and you're gonNA. Get all those details. His amateur background, his favorite songs, and if you WANNA, ask a personal question, you already know where to do that at patient dot com forward slash the box and voice drop a question for jared, the real big baby Anderson and tune in because we will be getting his thoughts on big baby, and the continuous drug tests that he keeps fairly and don't forget if you're watching, live on Youtube. Hit that thumbs up on Ellsworth the visibility show plus. Watching so where's the love? Let me go on out to Moco Hotel in from around the globe. We're going out to Mr Mongolia Corpus. Christi Texas what. Oh. What a what what up yeah, man! This was one topic that I'm really kinda super bombed that to talk about yesterday I had put in the pre pro- actually I think this is the one who had put in the pre pro and then I saw say Yo. We gotta talk about this because it's crazy like if you see the twitter and the I'd G, you know people are getting at him about it and yet. It's just you know. It's not so much that I wanted to give my take. I wanted to hear what other people had think because I think I'm like party lines here, but yeah, it was was what up Velez. I'm. Visiting. With champion. Alexander Heath no Alexander. Never. Lebed. Yea We right back at it again, shovel up because right up the middle. and WHO'S THE BATTLE OF THE BABIES? This is the battle. This is the battle in the sandbox. Being I took toy now that's my toy and say. Jared Ellison makes it good claim you know Fu for him to say. Oh, I'm the real baked baby Miller tattooed name on his body I mean I'll see. My may going back erase it. It's a in Oh i, it just I think if you know Jerome Manages to stay. You know in in the game you know. He gets past all this stuff right now. just this storyline would make a heck of a leader to fight. But yeah. Yeah. I definitely think so but at this point is like wouldn't even I wouldn't want it to get to that. Rome anymore like. I mean. I don't think he should change. I. Don't think he has to change it, but that's see that's what I'm saying. Is I think everybody's going to gravitate toward that fight? And if I were him, I would wanna just like separate myself as much as possible but He seems pretty defensive about the whole thing like he seems like he wants no part of anything that has to do with changing it which I agree like I understand I think. He says he's gotTa tattooed on him like Yo. That's it. That's A. that's a tough one girl like you know what I'm saying like. That's my nickname and then one day my nickname happens to be like somebody or something. You don't me or whatever? Nickname like you know in baseball, I heard you mentioned. You played baseball and other stuff like a nickname. You know maybe in lifting weights. You know there's always some they just. Along with you? I, that's me. You know I'm known for that like that's my thing. You know what I mean and this stuff you know comes along with the entertainment. part of boxing is and you know these names they you know you the to give them to you in the in the ring. You know in sparring sessions. You know I. It's just so stories how nicknames come about. But you know he does definitely want to distinguish himself from giral being giral in so much hot water these days, so he really wants to. You know. Let the people know 'cause Jared Anderson. I'M NOT GONNA act like I known jared Henderson for a while. Let's get it straight here I just got the no, Jared Anderson. We know when we find out about him being a sparring partner, and then you know I saw the last two fights. I think we saw. And I'm impressed I mean I've take a look at the you know. The social media's and you get to see a little bit about what he does and. He looks like he can be the future. He's strong. He's fast. And I'm just waiting for for for for you. Know for the competition obviously to. Get, get bigger and better for him so that. He can. Have the naysayers. You don't think otherwise. Now, jared Anderson is four no right. And July ninth He'll be going on to to be five in no. and. Yemen top-ranked, bringing them right back. I! Think what what what card was. Was it the Stevenson car. was that. He was on the show, of course even cart. So. Yeah, we're just Listen He guy, you know. ESPN gave him a fighter that. Like most interested on seeing again or something like that, but like they broke down there June cards, and they had given like awards out and Yeah, they had given him that award in I. Agree like what he did. It was. Good enough that you want to see him again. You know, and that's all you can never really asked what they gave them all I hear. Notaro they gave him to espn did like these little wards for the June fights. Best. Buy gave it to Joshua Franco. They said like who took the step back and I can't remember who they gave it sue, but they gave it to somebody, and then it was like who's who do you WanNa? See again. It's jared Anderson is who they gave it to and I feel like that's exactly what the performance was. It was like Yo I got to see this kid again. You know and That's all you can ask for you. Know what I'm saying like. You want to go out there and you WanNa, leave a lasting impression, but he did it in a way that it was like. I mean I knew who jared Anderson was he'd been on this show I'd seen other fights, but it was like something about this performance. That was like Oh. Yeah, there's a jared Anderson out there. He's pretty damn good like he's got. The lucky can speak you know. He just checks all the boxes. And he's heavyweight, so it's like his marketability looks just incredible He just seems really smart and Very very fun to watch. Maybe. Be is going to be interesting to ask him about his amateur. Too much about his amateur background neither. maybe necessarily probably a little bit more about that. If not, we'll find out. And when he comes on say again. The amateur! We don't I don't know too much about his amateur background to. Maybe you knew a little bit. If not, we know, we'll find man. He's a man he's. He's like a full-time fire, Tom. National Champ national golden gloves chant. So he, he's the goods. Man I mean you know the amateur background. Is Important. Is it important in the heavyweight division? Yes and no, but I'd rather my fight a habit. You know what I'm saying. I'd rather my fighter have international experience. You know. This kid's traveled to Germany I think if you pull up. His box wreck the amateur. He's traveled to Germany. All over the world, so he's faced different styles then he's. He's traveled of course and look at the person who he sparring with I. Mean think about the work he was getting there. You had David Adelaide. You had Tyson fury. Guido Vision Annella like. He's with top ring to. Maybe he's getting rounds with sunny, but we'll find out you know. Once we get him on. I, think that the the one I added in him than me. Let me try again. So many. Hey, skype, because you you. Jared Anderson. Definitely definitely looked like the goods I mean you know there's only four fights in the probes, but It looks like he's adopted the pro style. I mean he really goes in that a crack, guys. I. Mean You know four fights? To judge yet, but like you know he's just started. He just got started. Amateur backgrounds are important. They are important because depending on you know the type of style space experience, man, it's it's. It's that anxiety that we talked about. You know that a typical fighter were have he obviously doesn't have to. Because he's been on that world level, he's been under those lights. It's it's it's. It's experienced that you gain. You know. Being out there. stylistically I mean as far as size. How do you see him Mareo? matching up with like the is like you know Tyson fury obviously is the biggest one of the mall, but you know guys like You know Pula be guys like Brazil. You know tall guys. Yet you know they're not the top three or top five, but still you know bigger guys From what you see so far in these last four fights, what can you? What can you get from the you know what I get the most is that he fights a big guys fight and he's only twenty years old. You know you don't really see that that often from guys. Usually when you see a big guy who's young, they're very clunky. They're very off-balance. They're very just. They just haven't grown into their body. It takes them a while to really figure out how to fight that big I. Fight but he seems to really understand that and and you know, and he's not like huge like you said I mean we're in the era of the Jain Norman has guys like fury while they're in Aj and stuff, but but he's twins getting bigger. He six floor. That's it's you know it's a good. It's a good height. It's definitely. Yeah. It's definitely a good height. He's he's going to compete but it's not like something that you know stands out like he he's he's a big guy, but what I'm saying is he's GonNa get bigger like that's to me. What's so interesting about him? Is that we're seeing from him right now? He's only developing. So that's what to me is so excited about him like I look at him, and it's not like so much like always already got this. He's already got that he could. Jabbie set up the right hand. He can do this and that he wants the body well. He pays attention to the body. Exactly and so he does a lot of things checks a lot of boxes, but it's like all of that on top of the fact that he seems to understand how to fight the big guy fight, and he's only twenty years old. Yeah, and you say he's twenty years old twenty years old. No he was that young rose born in Nineteen, ninety nine. That makes me feel awful about myself me. One second right here, guys. Just want to. See that it's GonNa help anything because I do not. I cannot add jared for for the heavyweights. I mean he's he's. He's got. I mean no it. Depending on what kind of rounds he he puts in on his body, man he, he's young for the heavyweight division. Very young sorta like Danny de the by older. The him probably is right. I think he is Dan. I'm pretty sure he is. Yellow, you know just a heads up. actually had some trouble logging in You had text me and I didn't see it at first, and when I saw it I looked and there was no thing and then it said skype having issues, so I haven't really refreshingly something with skype man because. It, skype said it. We're having issues right now. Like I got a whole prompt and I was literally just about text y'all like Yo. Something's going on my Internet reset and it popped back up and it's at join call, but every time I hit it said your your Your service to low your connections to low all is like I have way like all my bars. Are there like? They try put me in the shadow realm. But Yeah, so you might be having trouble from that. That might be what's going on with. Jared Anderson. Skype don't want let people. Day. Joe Why don't we start with him on now? That I'm thinking about it if he was the title of the show. For this exact reason connection. I like to not. Be Live at eleven thirty with the guests at eleven thirty, and then we're figuring out all these. Technicalities that we're obviously going through because. I was able to search him, and now I'm not even able to find him. You know so I don't know. skype. Might might be a new. What is it update might be? Cool. Man They sure put a Fisher this year. Put a scratch on a record. With those updates. We're also going to have Sarafina twelve which is fricking. Really buy we buy the everything's by the game master. We're ready six minutes behind. For whatever reason I sent them directly coleus coach can get it Tom This is working though is just not letting me connect with Umbro. Ads Feeling about this. No clue what is up. Man. But he is in action Thursday. Don't believe he has any opponent as of as of right now. Hector. Perez mentioned there for him. Yeah no way. Is Sir Bro. Peres's the one that I. Beth knocked out, isn't it? No? No, that was Rodriguez. I one right hector. Oh No. Did. Heck, the Perez. We did a lot fight chat on them. Guys, you guys probably not remembering who? Did he fight stories. This is the last fight he had that was. His heavyweight. Yeah I'm here we? Go Yeah. He was on the Joshua greer card. He fought who do me say want or want? Tourists is really wow, yeah, he fought one daughters, and he beat the man by unanimous decision. And now they given them to jared. Yes I'm interested to see you know which direction they go. If they go heck to progress that we've seen that that that that'll be pretty good, because it's like a buildup, you know, even though we know, hector is in. The declaration amateur that. Anderson is I think it's I. Don't even see nothing. Restarted Jack Coleman I'm trying to I'm not understanding why we can't add him. Birds like fuster. This is cray. Yeah. This is crap, man. Over this. Might worked right there. The restart might have worked. Anderson. Yes, so Yet Jared Anderson Young I I checked out. The was twenty. Two is like. Let's see if they if they fasttrack jared and in the same manner you know. With the. Dubois. You also had a good amateur. Let's be real. Do Bosnia fire strike. He's. He's bought the fight Joel Joyce. Who's thirty something and seven and no or something like that like? Yeah no fourteen fourteen fights in two years. Or excuse me not in two years, but a with you know in two years apart from jared I've just wonder. Where would he? Fights with jared have had already by then. Just, comparison you know UK USA. Kinda thing. Yeah I just don't think you know remember. We were calling for Dubai. Get a fight. They just finally did it. You know with. Joyce, but Choices a little older right? Dubai's a little younger Joyce is a little. you know he's got browns because he did the not the world boxing, he does something else super series a boxing. You know. Joe, Joyce. He is I think he's like thirty three thirty four something like that right, and and even though he's a lot of amateur fights and a lot of like semi pro fights. If here we go there, we go. Let's hope this works Chan. Secret we get. Let's see I. Think we hear somethin'? Is this chant? Jared Anderson. How are you by the? Thank you for taking the time to come on the program. We're live right now on youtube. In multiple different platforms had a little bit of difficult to get you. Yuan finally figured it out happy to have you. So How are you feeling? Good. Real good fight week, man, you looking hungry. I'm hungry for that Ko. ECORSE of course. So I was doing some research, man and I'm wondering. Was this like just tongue in cheek that you answer this question, or was this a publicist? The additive for yours you ringwald music, really fabulous What is the name of the Song One Little Mall? Today, acid, right or or That, was that was my. When saw y'all? So would you like your old? So that's like two thousand. That's my era. That's like two thousand three. Definitely I came out to the fabulous What's the other one I WANNA. Say withers. In those time when she come and then. I can't think of the last song. I before I pay also before I. Pass it on my co-host. I JUST WANNA. Tell them in the world that. Show something about the character. Maybe you can explain but. You mentos. Or. Should I say favorite fighters? Sugar Ray Somebody else from that generation, but then you said ward insecure like Chicago Stevenson You could just explain you know having someone that is basically in your own age bracket. You're you're stablemate. As being one of your favorite fighters. Being one of my payer fighters just because for one. He's great to I. Watch him every day. See the adversity. Go through. The different fighters different stoller fighters. He pick apart. So stuff like that and then on A. Big Brother side. He's just A. Real. Good do real cool. Do you always look out for the always? Keep me in the right state of mind. Make sure I'm on track in the non-fox, so he is more of a big brother thing, and and I've always been a person who likes fighters more for what they do outside the box in how they are outside of boxing versus what they do inside the ring. Yeah, you could be good. It's hard to rent, but however you when you get outside down of person. He always been that with me. what's going on jared Morgan here. Hey, listen. I want to ask you because ever since the bubble events started i. feel like you know a lot has been made of certain cards and certain events, but your fight has I think propelled you in a way that a lot of other guys have it been. I feel like you got put on a platform and. People were buzzing. You know I. It's definitely done a lot Can you feel like? Do you feel like this event? And this last time out? Something different came out of it. You feel like you got more buzz or more, hyper or just talk. Yeah I definitely think being on that platform that I got a lot more followers, lot more viewers and stuff like that. so it was a great opportunity. So I, definitely feel like it was a lot more buzz and everybody's been talking about me. So! Definitely what I was looking for is. A kind of a jump up from where I was at because I was used to fighting without you know real crowds anyways, but it was like the beginning go fight where people were just coming in thinking about getting the jet or still buying beer or stuff like that. Jared how you doing. Alex here with you. Know I'm looking at top rank right now. You know they got your whole pedigree. All your national championships, amateur man, it's it looks pretty pretty good, and we were talking on on on the show before you came on with us. HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS BEING! Fairly new to the pro game for an all and Pie Not too many people yet. And there's a lot of people that would want to know you and. Pretty sure at the end the. Last will have you SCHIAVO. Your social media and things like that, but I'm excited mad because from what I see you. You're a good body puncher. You like to press forward and. How how was the transition over to the pros and? What was like one of your like highlight moments that you remember from your amateurs? That was a good time for you. Still transition in for shore steals trying to get through. The mindset stopped being three round with fighter Slow it down a minute program gloves. No headgear so I'm still charges. No for sure still getting through my head trying to. Learn better. So. The transition is is definitely not finish it, but my favorite amateur moment probably. Bulgaria twenty seventeen I wanted to bring dennehy but I was a team captain. That can't and I had the show a lot of leadership i. Was it was a fighter. Half for Russia is a good puncher he was. Stopped. I think he stopped to people before he met me. It was a good fight, but I took a lot punches. By bid down. and I got the. We went to war for sure still one of my favorite fights. It was a dumb fight because I took so many bunch, but it was one of my favorite fights because it showed that I I really can bite bow. but like I said, I showed a lot of leadership that camp. Everybody on the team looked up to me. I was the captain, so it was. It was great for me Greg. Shaw myself what I could really do. Stuff like that well, look and another thing that we talked about before you got on this. How young you were Surprised to hear that you're twenty years old and you're talking about Bulgaria, and now you're traveling the world. How how old were you at that time? You're twenty now. And how how much pressure was that on you being a young man and being team captain, and and going across seas to compete? I was seventeen tonker. The two thousand seventeen, I travelled out of the country is fifty in twenty fifteen when I went to Russia. but in two thousand seventeen. It was a lot of pressure for sure but I always under pressure so I wasn't really to worry. me and the team. We were all real cool anyway, so it it kind of flow real good. The only difference was just. Adjusting to the atmosphere where we at we're on, we're Kinda in the middle of nowhere, or at least that's how we felt we didn't we were. so. The pressure didn't really mean anything to me. It was definitely some pressure. I felt like I had win either set an example for the team. I couldn't really lose. A shining under pressure anyways. I I'll go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to say I want to ask about the Tyson Fury Sporran and and kind of would a. I want a lot of specifics from this answer, so I'm going to be program. Right like I want to know what you got from. Did your social media following grow? Wants the world found out you were helping them and did that even gropes with different point ones Bob. Arum started giving you. The credit I I like to say glorifying you as the man or the main reason that Tyson did what he did in into the wild. If I so I, WanNa know what you got out of the in the ring from being around him social media wise popularity everything. Okay. So, you can take it one at a time. out of the ring. Did I get I got some knowledge me? Enticing definitely had with tit for tat. We did our thing. I, learned some stuff about fighting bigger alerts with finding a shorter fighter. Stuff like that when I got to do in order to get in and get out and stuff like that, so I I learned some stuff in the rain. great opportunity. Outside the ring cool do. In you know. We talked about. What life was for him? Growing up with life was growing up the differences stuff like that being from the US and the UK. in Joyal betine nothing, but lives family were a great crew. Far the following I didn't really. I liked down to Earth. So I'm not one for social media. If I meet somebody WHO's. very popular. You Know I. Don't pressed issue about a picture or something like that. They acted today. Picture with me. That's fine as cool I posted or something like that, but I wasn't really looking for any credit or. I wasn't really looking for any. Praise for it really so that wasn't that wasn't marquee. So that's why nobody really knew or her about me. Until after Bob says something like. Hey, this is the reason. This was the main sparring partner. But I didn't know I didn't really post post once or twice about the camp but I didn't know I already had like two thousand followers. It jumped up Kinda after it. Oh, for sure. I definitely got some more praise after Bob had posted about it. in order boxing sites. Chimed in and said that I was the main foreign partner. but I love the experience I learned some stuff inside the rain largest outside during definitely of him. Being odor been through more life experiences the He's a great to talk to especially. If you're going through some stuff, he's real good motivator. And, look. I don't want to take you down is role, but we obviously got to go to. Like so so it's a two part question like. Did you expect him to do it the way he did? Out there, I guess it's three part. Did you expect to him to do it the way he did? Did he have the power that it looks like he has it. What do you think about Glove Gate 'cause? I know you glove gate. Saigal I can't ask them when aggression. No I'm answering. My did I think he was gonNA. Do it for sure demand talked about art camp. It was it was on his mind. You know when somebody put it today, mind and they so strongly about nine times out of ten. They're going to do it. especially when you so strong willed like him. So I definitely thought he was going to do it. Air By acting wants the money because they are be in Vegas with the knowledge that I gay though Oh. Power, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You was that confident you telling people to bet on fury. Why I didn't. I. Didn't bet on what round knockout or anything I definitely bet on him stopping him so I said bet that. While gene, was he? was. He has heavy and like as strong as he like the wilder fight. He looked like he was so much stronger when you were spun. Did he feel that heavy on you? The man put two hundred seventy some pounds on me every time we sparred. Oh, he was bad. Yes, was so you can see when it wearing like everything he did enough fight. He tried on me. Don't get me wrong. I had this be impressively to try stopping at the you know the most, but he definitely tried or did everything he. He didn't ring so I seen it coming. especially him being lighter. Meet Dante lighter to me so that I. I've seen it coming The power. I. Don't really like to talk about it. 'cause I don't WanNa. Discrediting Body I've been punched harder. I can say that and I I'm not gonNA say he doesn't have any power I can say I've been punch hearted so I, don't I don't know I. Don't want to discredit anybody you know or talk down. Say he doesn't have any power. I just feel like I've been hit harder by somebody else now. Maybe they career still the same. He's world champion, but I have been hit harder It was the third one. Glove Gate Glove though. Man Punch like that. Even we are so I don't I. Don't I don't also? He was hitting. He was hitting then he punter. The I'd say like the color mauve pillow fish, so it's like, is he? Does. He really pop. You got some pop. Sure. I think more or less his weight behind the, but he got popped for sure one other thing when you was sparring. Were you able to have cave? You lead train, or at least someone from your team, or did you have to go out alone? Ya I have my my My head coach here Riley. Good okay okay so. Coaches is who their eat assistant coach Okay Dora Riley is. Riley. Father Coach Oh Nana some like that. We started me we grew up on. You try started training me since I was eight. Oh! Wow, so shot out to him and. Derek Right My Darrell Darrell. Is, real d'oro. But you go buy a R I eat. So, I'm hogging you up on passer to these guys, but you've been traveling internationally. How long have you been a heavyweight because you seventeen? But like how when you walked in the gym weight, were you? Have the I was like. Eight years old I probably like one twenty. I was a heavy said. Kim and I remember being thirteen. I was like one sixty, one seventy. Own saw y'all bigger at like fourteen fifteen is when I started to slim out hit my gross. Burt said I was GONNA. I was always heavier, but that was when I started out a little bit more look more like our should have been that weight. probably say I started fighting heavyweight amateur, which is to a one. I started fight net. Sixteen. You had about twenty sixteen because i. you could go to youth. That's a lot of expires then. But I would guess it would have been before that anyways, though, because I fought one seventy six, plus which is heavyweight in junior so in like fifteen. Let me ask you a personal question. Right like coming up in the gym. You walking. Put your bag down. Get Ready. Whatever you warming up. Then you see that heavyweight. Does it like? Do you feel butterflies? Like damn I gotTa spot at do whose dad do or do you look at a heavyweight? That walks into your your gym and you like okay. That's Today's food like I'm going to be honest I'm not asking you to sound good or bad. You know I'm not a fighter, but I saw embroidery afraid. I'm forty seven, but every time I see like I just we saw the other day spa some amateur. And, he looked like Adam club knocking. He was a national. Champion I'm like. 'cause he's like my I'm like Bra. So scared like. Notices out of getting nist, so I'm just wondering if if that's something that's only in the beginning eventually gets out or do you always have butterflies? Nerve nerve never gonNA. Stop Be Any human. I don't care what nobody say. You can fear. No one because I fear no man, no man besides guy I got a I. Don't see anyone I long as you put your draws on, put your pants on. Ice No reason for me to fear you. I! Don't care who you are. You'll height. You'll power no none of that I'm always find a way. thinker but nerves are never nerves is a part of life. You never going to get away from butterflies? Some five is not. I have so it all depends on the time situation and would I guess. Smart Tyson I have butterflies is say that, but I again I never know man. That's why you get into ring with a certain amount of confidence now butterflies something you can shake out after bill ring. That's usually I am so I had a butterflies I've been getting. You know of. Bearing on audit goes away. Man I'm home. Talking Hola. No No, so we asked these kind of who say he did a two camps I've been stalking you on social media trying to get this interview for for months, but some cutting on. Him was on. He was in camp with fury twice, and he said that he hasn't met a fighter yet. Hookah outworked fury, is he that hard of a worker, like when it comes running miles, everything or from what you've seen or do you feel like I was working? Well! Punch output in the spar. I. Keep in Jim. He meant like. He's like when he gets in shape in shape. or at that time when I first started. I started the Camp I was encamped myself, so we didn't do too much training together and then after I, can't. Because I fought in the middle of his camp, I had to fight January eighteen. Then when I came back I was Kinda like I was off so. I didn't we didn't really do too much training together? It was like their training partners training together. He did his own thing like its own strength conditioning stuff that they offered it, too, but we didn't really. We didn't really jump the opportunity. I can't speak on that. Thank you? jared let me ask you A. We'll move on real quick to something that I wanted to talk about. The nickname big baby. Right now. Here's the thing I loved what you were doing. You know you're like I'm the real big baby. We even had a show on that like before he pop before everything we were like Oh. This is a great buildup like whether you're hardcore. Whatever like everybody can understand the fight for nate? You know what I'm saying so like I loved it now. It's taken a much different turn. You feel me, What I talk about it. What do you think about the fact that he popped and You know. Do you think that now this is like? A thing where it's kind of settled like he's like. Would you ever even consider facing him at this point? I face anybody as long as we passed the test. So I I don't I. Don't have a problem with it. I'm might look at your different after audit happen. You know it's been multiple times, so now might look different like Dang. Maybe your body wouldn't be what it is if you didn't. Failed a test shot I. Don't know, but I mean again I don't feel any man I don't care what you do I don't care if that was the case. I I'm out. Thank you I'm not gonNA. Let you hit me. You got the extra pop or whatever the case I'm not. GonNa let you lay your weight on me, so you can tire me out or anything like that my my work output is crazy on everybody. Tell me that especially me being a young but this is the pros, so you got that work output I'm I work anyways so I'm? You know I. I don't have a problem with it, but. LISSI if he ever stays in a sport I get to that point then. Definitely, we can get in there. On something back in the IT. As far as the I G Post I just wanted to ask because I took it a certain way like I had seen. People say Yo. You GotTa Change Your. Name I disagree I. Don't think you should have to do anything at all. That has zero to do with you, but we're people. Actually getting it mixed up in like thinking you were part of his camper something because I didn't see that, but the way that I interpreted some of the comments in some of the messages. It seemed like people were like coming at you thinking that you had something to do with it. I like I said I'm not no big. Idea my head me, everybody around me back home I rather be rich defames, so defamed in the Instagram, and all that don't even wrong I like it. I'm going to post I'm going sometimes I enjoyed some for better part dome, though so I don't look into the comments I. Don't really let that bother me I don't listen to what other people say I know who I am capable of so I didn't really see those. I've seen some on twitter. You know they at you so if I go scroll through it or who likes weather or something like that I see one or two all. You need to change your name. disassociate this associated yourself with everything off but again I don't let that bother me I'm I'm me I know what I'm capable love saw, and that really has like you said nothing to do with me. I'm not a part of this camp. I can't disassociate myself with somebody. I met one time exactly so so I don't I don't really have anything to do with it, but yet as far as those comments going stuff that. I just let it be You're GonNa say what you want anyways and high behind the computer screen so. Definitely yeah, so I wanted to jump. Because I feel like? I'm that friend right so obviously. My Co host is my best friend. He knows I'm that friend where I'll be like? Oh. you called yourself the real big baby. You'RE GONNA. Fight Him, so that's my thing. Did you have? Did, you have a friend. That's like you're gonNA. Keep that name, you know. It's a big baby three hundred pounds. And, were you like talk? Talk I'M GONNA. Take that name. How'd that go because I'm sure you know there was a big baby. I definitely did. I didn't know into I kinda turned. Pro. I didn't I didn't know him really But I definitely had a friend who said that I'm like new. He put his hands on just like I do this though. I didn't ever really think like. Oh wait, maybe I shouldn't have a name or anything like that. I I'm me. You know what I'm saying. I know what I'm capable of off like. If you put me to anybody else, I'm always like I'm the best in the world and whatever I do with our loser where I don't. Just my confidence level, so I didn't really. I didn't really think of it like that I'm like is my name. Is that was my Part of the PR without rank put real big baby. A big baby always been my name. I gotTA touted right here and appear on my boxing glove. This is before turned pro before any. It is five new Gerard Butler work. They always been calling me big baby heavy said key, and I always act like a baby like I just they portray baby as out the Chinchar towns and stuff like that when I used to get mad. You know stuff like that and I was huge young so. The name been stuck. Yeah, word so regardless of boxing boxing. Got Got Willing. This never happened. Say I break my leg or break something or tear something knocking never box again. It's still gonNA be my name. Only there's never going nowhere so I wouldn't turn my name word. That's what's up. Hey, so. Or I'm sorry I. Do meet you have one. No, you know I was just to ask. Quick one I'm interested in like you know. What are your thoughts on? Would you want to spite in? Let's say in a step up competition. You got any names or anyone that you might have your your hindsight on in other might be in your crosshairs. They may be you. WanNa talk on. You know what I mean I mean we talked to. We talked to right now or are we talking like I? Mean it's as ready as ready as can be can. Only on the only you know what you can do. I can't I can't think of his name, but I watch the fight, and there was just like wow. I won't help. Oh. Beth. Yes No question about the fight. Hector though right? Yeah, and Hacksaw. We just watched him he be. Juan, Torres that was he ain't on your level. He ain't on your level, but he was. He alone awkward though you know if it's gotta be careful with them, awkward. People I've been say. Look like food. You should definitely stop love. I love that you're looking at BEV everybody. Do you see that as a fun fight for you because I see you having a blast in that fight because. I've. This is gonNA. Be Fun in a show you know highlights I definitely. Get the fans show broad. Did you laugh at his lean bat? Yeah I bet had listened hours twenty years younger looking at that I'm like my God. He he, he is how that if they give you? Our hope that if they give you that fight, they give him eight weeks. He got a run. He can't fight the way he was fighting versus you. Because his, he is like instinet, he will die with body shots. That's another thing I love about you. Go to the body. You focus so much wider body especially in the heavyweight division that you're not a sixty pound or forty seven. What makes you go to the body so much? I trained with him. I watch it all day every day every day, Keyshawn Davis Choi idly. I watch him every day. I watch body punches day so It's only right and then. Already. Knowing that I'm watching him and stuff like that is just the reflex reflex. The do it now. It's Nice, so listen if you still have some time. We've got a few questions from the public that we would like to ask you if you're not I mean. If you're busy, would definitely love to get you back. School you can. Cool, CO WE'RE GONNA go. The first one is big casual. He says was good champ. The future looks bright for you excited to see how your career plays out. What's your dream fight in the heavyweight division and under which sanctioned body do you believe you will get your title shot at a title? Dream by dream by dream fight. The big my dream my dream fight. I mean we're being completely honest. It's not with a person. Martyring fright is where I can retire mom. Now that that's that's my dream. Fight is not. It doesn't specifically to be a person. As long as I went and I could retire my mind I only had to win. Really I mean that's always the goal. You never like I, said my confidence. I never feel like I'm GonNa? Lose anyway, but. Retire, my mom, that's that's. That's dream for me so regardless that the the belt in order you know retire, my mom is that dream? Fight right there. That's I do that. I! Want you know just? What what went on? I want at that point sanctioning body. Sanctioned by WBO. But if I had to guess if I if I wanted to say, somebody I just always kind of picture myself fighting. The juggernaut lie when I when I joined the. Own on the why? I. Kinda, WANNA fight him. I kinda always had little man complex being around. Little people was the biggest, but I always around little. And I looked at home late a big by WANNA fight him. You know so I don't know maybe. When they happened maybe not. I just want to elaborate once. You were acts where you wanted to be five years from now in, you said you know that you just want to make sure your mom never worked, but you said a world champion with my brothers brothers Troy is in. Core or physical brothers that we don't know. All of them, they they they. Sikora Torian. Autumn Day became brothers. Almost as much I mean I haven't been around him. You know we. There's certain things that when you go through as a child, you know you develop more but dimmer brothers I don't care what nobody say. My do anything from but I mean. Both you know my brother's like blood and grew out of the city. They come anyways so as long as we all win, but. I didn't specifically mean either one perfect perfect. King Out of a North New Jersey to says what a big baby! CONGRATS ON THE RECENT WIN! I'll be following your career from here on out. Is a state, no for breeding plenty of entertainers, athletes musician. What is jared Anderson doing if he's not a professional fighter? That is a bad question to ask. was I was. I was high ahead. boxing really really really saved me. I I was getting kicked out of schools and cousin people loud doing a lot of I was supposed to be doing a lot of stuff. I can't say on this interview. so I I can only imagine. If I had to guess though if I, let's say I did you know. Start to mature and put give my head on straight without boxing I would probably say. Football player. They they wanted me back If I stuck with, I've been high prime. I was box, so I will have to say football or professional boat and I'm good at bowling, you know. You. Spin on it. Yeah, actually I seen on your is that you broke a basketball court when you? Dont. Was it was it was insane? I wish somebody would recorded. They were acquitted after they started. Right after broke you, but it was like I can't afford to hand. I do it between my. When up! To in height. I Don Card. I didn't hanger anything, but they think they put it onto tighter some and that's why they glide. Shouted like that, but did they make you pay for? Only Bill, how does it? seculow new Raymond. Of backboard like that's. That's something I've seen when I was like ten years old shack, knowing on a poster. Never seen that like that's crazy. I still got still got the backboard. Ask. That's why social medias important I I would have never known. That could bring it up. Let me go out to the UK. We Got Ryan. He's basically accident about the big baby suspension in your thoughts, but you've already touched on that, so we wanna give him a shot our. We're GONNA. Stay in the UK. We Got George Foster says what's the motive when you choose the ring name, the real big baby and has Jarrell. Miller ever said anything to you about it, so you did already answer why you have. It has when you did meet big baby. Did you guys talk about the name? At all that was when he just signed with my manager came to watch fighting. Vegas we adopted, said two words. You know He wish me luck. You know stuff like that. seemed like a cool do, but no other than that. We didn't. We didn't really speak. That was literally probably like. Fifteen twenty minutes before I went into my you from Toledo, so I'm assuming when they introduce you. You still kind of like a little bit mean muggy like what up? Baby to. You know. Of course, got. Stand your ground, you know. But I'm not no. I don't pretend to be talking on norm tough. I don't really have to, you know. I don't really demean mug maybe natural, but you know at at some point you gotta like ally. I'm looking at you, but I am. Trying to make it seem like I'm staring down. I'm. GonNa. Look at you. Don't like like you know it can be that. Always had that even though I'm tough, so I don't have to portray that I'm I'm always GONNA! Look at you like Oh we can beat at, but it ain't I look at it like that I. down. alka. Check this. Take this. SCALISE says was good. Jared ever thought of tweaking your name. I was thinking availed Aveiro Beg Guerande the Mexican audience will love it which translate to the real big baby. But it's just in Spanish, so yeah Ben. That's his. That's his thought. Like that hopefully I can get a fight in somewhere. I can get a fight in Mexico or different country or something like that or go to Mexico City or something like that so that we can change my name to that for that fight. Keep all on Chemo name the way it is. For short and we're going to give trae a shot. He's accent. Since you with the main sponsor for the while fury to my question is do free. Have Pillow Fish. You've answered. Teddy by the would says Shutout to Toledo went to school. Right by, but being from Ohio. What made you pick boxing over football? I started with boxer and that was a discipline. Actually tried football. That's what's so crazy. Around the same time we started boxing. They was telling me to to run. Hills and Bearcroft do some other stuff. In City those listening football coaches, they yell and cuss at you and other stuff and I grew up with just my mom wind with just my mom, but. Eight years old. My brother actually raised me. He was still in Illinois's so It was Kinda just me and my mom, too many male role models other my brothers, and my mom's only one can talk to me and say anything to anybody else got got that dealing with so I was cussing him back out and telling continue what I was going to do what I wasn't going to do, so we had a lot of classes football practice, and so they was like well. We're not going to do is with. Take me off the team. Why football never worked for me. being it was the mid city. High. School might have been different 'cause I school. Coaches can't talk to you like they fire, but they were mid city. You know what I'm saying they Did they own thing so? Didn't work, but boxing was the first thing I did anyway. Though that was the de day, my mom was looking for some some help with getting me check out of schooling. Get kicked out of classes and when her friend was like well, Ma Ma best friend. He's boxing coach. She'd do this and it's a good discipline and we hooked up in. We got. All right we got the next one is from George Dallas Fort Worth. He says what's up. Big Baby as the firm would be a great name to add to your resume. Do you think you are ready? Yes. I got some chores to do, but again. Pressure always makes me shine so. I feel like you do it right. We do it tomorrow. We can do it the next fight. I definitely think I will win. pressure bus pipes in trust me I'm a diamond, so I went bust me I'll be ready for. All Right? The next one is hey big baby earthquake from Brooklyn. WHO's your favorite fighter to watch as a Fan, past or present? Thanks for coming on the show. One hundred. He said Hey big baby earthquake from Brooklyn here. WHO's your favorite fighter to watch as a fan? Past or present? Thanks for coming on the show one hundred emoji. To course I'm sorry. I I talked about him a lot, but it is just. He amazes me the speed the Him hymnal his range. The way he picking shots He's an amazing fighter to me. On a side note, Keyshawn Davis is just about the same just from a Orthodox position. Just amazes me I. Swear watching them. I wouldn't miss as sparring sessions to fanny thing if I'm laying down, sleep, It'd be off one hours from Birmingham Birmingham Loxton Spark because I learned so much every time I watch him spar. Own! They just amazed me as athletes. Beautiful? We got that one white boy in Texas. You kind of answered this, so we can move on, but if you feel like there's anything you need. You had Jarrell versus jared battle with a big babies. Would you find giral for the nickname Chambord? Rightfully Yours and again. You kind of answered that, but I want to give him a shout-out stumbling blocks in Colorado. Colorado, says peace champ as fighters turned pro. A lot of pundits are very critical. Saying amateur trainers can get you to the next level and pushing the fighter to change trainers early on pundits criticized Beaumont wondering if he could lead offer to a championship, my question. Do you believe that your amateur coach can level up like Mac did? Crawford I'd say yes. He can piece got. I I know he can because. He's a spawned and he's still spoon at a game. You never. Thought. They knew it all even even gone as far telling me if he. Ever if I feel like I'm stuck in one spot and I'm not improving constantly. He just teaching me the same old things over and over to go to somebody else or to bring somebody else in as far as hoping out and get get a different view so I always I definitely think he'll take me to that world title because he's still a student a game. He's never felt not too big editor that he knows he didn't have multiple national champions. A lot of people from the city who just got off just didn't have it To keep on the same track, no, then support or something like that. They got into the street or something like that lead a high on the potential world champions and national champions. even people who won or been Olympic alternate or something like that so I definitely didn't you can do it? He student of the game and that SORTA matters. Brandon Maurice. In Cincinnati says you remind me of a young Riddick Bowe. Has Anyone of told you that? many people told me that great comparison Mark. Coach actually loves Riddick Bowe. Actually trying to Kinda try to model me after him, but he he picks from a lot of different fighters That's why my job the way it is. It will. We all started with a job before we really learn anything you want to protect my dad. So riddick Bowe was definitely a good puncher. Good Jabber dukes punches in bunches. All right greatness in Hallum says pieces salute young God piece to the family in good health. No question blessed to you. Know blessed to your upcoming fight, bringing credibility to the big baby name. When you take your next W I, already have boxing balls in the Chamber to highlight your victory peace young guys so just showing some love from Harlem. We have Boston Jared obviously in Boston. Who says wouldn't tangible. Do you develop in the AMAS that can carry over to the pros and immediately help you? speed. Work output when you need to not being in program, you have to slow it down, but let's say. Meets the IT'll be in twenty years ago like my punch output when it comes to situations where you've got somebody hurt or got entire plant's output is going to help you. Put them away, so dowse one. IFFY work. All, Few more only three more to be exact. In Oklahoma says, what round do you have pool of knocking out AJ I. Have Him doing it in three reminded when Nexen Oklahoma lunch on me. Remember that to Oklahoma remember that. With round, Wasi knocking AJ. SEE THEM NOT GONNA AJ. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he can't do it but I. don't I don't. Pool. POULENC's a real awkward fighter so. Aj is good feet work as long as his toes, staring at PS and QS our own see him leaning in, or you know really getting hit with two biggest shots, 'cause pullers go to the body to try and stop him or slow them down because if he thought a while punches I get tired. I don't know I. can't I see him knocking them out? If you do. Better money on. Ohio runs box in my. Shout Jared. Ohio runs box and couple of flame emojis in the fist. Just showing love and the last one is from Jordan Baker in Florida, who says what's the lowest worst memory you had in your life that made? You say you got to do something to get out. I. I don't own a female boxer if he mean. Life with which one thing I mean. He said life. He's a boxer. life I mean like I had to get out. Oh. Lowest Point? On I don't get me wrong I. Don't have them. Lomas Nah. I can't think of lowest moment where I got to where I feel like I need to get out. Get out like get out. You know what I'm saying like. By NOT NOT LIKE GET OUT! I think he meant like. Get Out of your situation like get into I. Don't know little strange Jordan. If you listened to maybe edited, but that is the last one. If it's hard to answer all, do we understand you could definitely give out your social media? We appreciate you coming on a know. We had you for a long time. We would love to get you back. I mean it won't be this long. Obviously, we have so much so many months trying to get through, so we had a lot to get off. We do appreciate your time. Before you go John Just GonNa read some of these super chests foyer there they were actually. you know dedicated towards you. Got Higher runs boxes says to fire emojis the future muscle up Emoji and you got LV sluggish, says let that kid be great and keep his nickname since he is the future and only twenty Jerome Miller is the one who need to change his name to big juicy. So there. You go just one of the last for Michael Buffalo. The says you look Daniel do bra. Anybody ever tell you that I don't think he looked like nothing like do blah yeah. I don't think I i. do either, but I've been compared to it. Okay, but we need to ask you though since you brought up joys. Do you think he beats Dubois? No. If he if he resembles anything me. He'd be Joe Doing. Yeah I love it. Jeremy Thank you once again. If you WANNA talk about the social media, any one of them, we do appreciate you can do it now for anyone who isn't following can follow you when we can't get you back on. K., I said thank you for helping us get this done. Okay thank you twitter team. Big Baby to is at the end. instagram jared Anderson four, one nine, A. R. E. D. Anderson has a land for one nine snapchat. Killer Dash Boxer for one nine at me and follow me on everything. I will add back. Thanks guys, thank you brother and Obviously. I. Get that when Thursday man, we'll be watching it. Live closely, thank you. Thank you. All Right Ladies Gentlemen the real big baby lobby on the show. Finally we got that done I'm happy man. That was a great interview, and obviously we got to learn a lot about him, and it's GonNa. Make fights more interesting to know this personal information, and you know top rank, even though it's bubble fights. They're doing a good job in the build-up right because they gave us a fight where Hector I got to see Hector I did confuse the progress. Think and he's the one that was in the room with our best buddy wasn't, but that's even better because hector got the win last I'm out on top rank bubble, and now he gets face Anderson. Anderson, just do his thing. Let me. See here. Let's go ahead and. Add Sarah Yeah. Let's let's add her. Do Dum Dum. See. What is this here? How do I see a hairy go? They really need to let me copy and paste these things. Nope no copy pace. All righty, then let me see if I can ask her. You got the. Number. Why she don't want to do it in a mall. No No, no, I'm pretty sure whatever you guys spoke on. Was it up, but yes she. She is on. Waiting on us, we appreciate Miss Sarafina. You know these things. Sometimes. We can really take too much control. How skype acts with US chatted a few seconds ahead and added to the call get started. Hello Sarafina. How are you? Thank you for coming on the program? Obviously, thank you for waiting. Almost thirty minutes now. We apologize. I found that it needs to do. It's okay great great well. We wanted to get you on the show. Obviously, we had jared Anderson. Woods going by the real big baby, but he says that that's top rank PR machine. His name is big baby and obviously. We wanted to get his starts because he was forced to give his opinion on the subject people telling him he needs to change his name and disassociate himself from the other big baby, and you happen to be the promoter of big baby once upon a time. Once upon a time you went. Super hard for him. You're no longer with them. You guys have severed sizing along with Gregg Cohen but. Obviously. Everybody wants your thoughts on Jarrell. Big Baby, Miller testing positive again. Yeah, I mean it's. It's disheartening minutes. It's it's really A. Disappointing 'cause. I, I got love for drew. You know and I hate to see him in a situation like this. You know But. It's it's. It's really hard to say. How could he let this happen a second time? You know it's like. Is it real? Is it not I don't like I'm just confused because it's like I. Don't want to believe it, but then it's like okay well. It is what it is you know. But how? How could he throw that away after like life gives him a second shot right like he's ease with. One of the best, if not the best promotional companies on the planet. they took him in J.. Parents took a shot on him. You know when you got all these people just rooting for you. After the fact right in it's like in you. Blow it again I. Don't know it's it's is difficult to just accept it, you know. Thick. At pray for him that there's some type of mishap. Right I pray that that's the case. Do I think it's the case? Probably not. But. It's for his sake. I hope that. This happened whatever but. You know it is what it is so obviously. We have a bunch of questions from the people, but before we get into any of that I want to ask. Are. You don't know submitting resumes talking to anybody to try and get back into the business. I watched. Countless interviews with you, so I know that you would have loved to go back into the club shows Dudakovic. We really don't know when those will come back. So, are you just going to sit on? The sideline would link up with another promoter. I'm still actively involved. I mean I work with Andrea Rosiere. In also like Brad Goodman, Kinda hooks me up like hearing. They're making a couple of fights in China. Help out any way I can like. People really came out for me in so I got Lotta love from the boxing community win win. This should happen because everybody kind of knew leg when Greg went to prison it like. What happens to Sarah you know what I mean, and then you know when he bounced. Check on me than it was like now. Really What happens to Sarah? You know so You Know I. Mean I'm sure it's something will come along like I've been talking to different people in. Obviously different fighters that that went assistance in you know something always falls in my lap, because this in this type of world this type of job. You can't go to college for this. There's no school that's going to teach you the boxing business. You know that's why guys like Jay. Z fifty cent come in, and they think that all man I. Could you know I'm? Kill it in boxing now you're not you know what I mean if you don't know. The INS and outs doesn't matter how much money. You know so the knowledge that I've gained over the last fifteen years. It can't be bought. It can't be taught. You have to like really learn on the job so I'm sure that something will will come. Come up in volume lab me right now. Nobody's really doing shit any way other than top rank. You know what I mean like everybody's Kinda. Just on the sidelines right now it's not just me. Softball I've been following you obviously for probably your whole career. You know I've I've always bumped into you in the DC area I've seen all the guys from the DMV that you were with it. But I've seen you transition into a little bit more. Than just boxing. What I was really digging was the jackets when you was wearing. Jackets Denim one. Two to one in Moseley had like I. do like the other ones where I think they're like I don't know maybe polyester because they're a little bit more shiny, but I feel like those are more for women. I guess I. Guess Somebody's you know. Boxes and rapids could get it off, but I love the denim. Jacket and feel you stop doing what happened to that and I. Don't know. When is it coming back? How much does it cost? How much time does it take? A lot of video I know that the painting takes a lot of time and I don't want people or myself for that matter to thing well, it's only a denim jacket. I could get it for under one hundred. There's a Lotta man I was to go into the painting. which you really do fantastic is. Long winded, but I'm like. Is it disrespectful to ask the this like. How are you doing it because? The drawings look amazing. So do you get the joys and you just gotTa pay, or this is free hand like some of that stuff that you're doing. I was just blown away like Kobe stuff. I mean even the Balanga picture. It looks exactly like him. Some like wait a minute. I got a couple of. Picture honestly. Think, I think the ones my favorite so. You know again. I'm being long winded, but it just doesn't make any sense to paint that well and still be embarrassed, and it seems like that well. You should be high consumer able to sell one of those things and be good because they are split image of the people. The is in Kobe Tribu I mean just a lot. You really good. You need to you know. Get out there because they're really really fantastic. Thank you man. I really appreciate that cove like forced. We you know it forced a lot of people to be creative. Right like in how we make our living because it just kinda took everything from us right like you know a lot of friends that are bartenders in. You know they're just like what do I. Do you know some of them? You know they work under the table. A lot of them are GIG, workers Unemployment and stuff like that, so it kind of forces to be creative in the way that we make our money in, so you know. When when when stuff happened with bragging PCP? That was a blow is so then I just started bartending, then announced in February and then boom march, everything shut down. I was like Holy Shit, like this. Not Be the worst year. My goddamn life like this is crazy, so you know I knew I was already artistic in you know I was making the jackets. you know I have always painted but Let me see if I can go hard with this shit and you social media to to my advantage and just. So no is that. Is that Aga- belong girl that you also and I didn't even know that I've seen that picture. WHO's this girl holding a picture of? A city. Gorgeous legs shut up no shoes. Gorgeous girl, but you know like it's so as soon as I started painting like the boxing community just came out like was like go. I need that I need that I need even with even with the jackets. Man Like Sh- Shane Shane in his girl Trista like go! We need those CBA scooter Stephen. Full. Stephan Fulton a need that you know what I mean. They just come out and show so much support so I. I just been using it like boxing community to my advantage in like an in this released. Show me that even though like I went through my thing with Durrell. The first time and I got all that hate mail ship. The Boxing World Kinda loves me. Math I gotTa Lotta. Love from the boxing world, so you know I'm blessed definitely, but the jackets are still around. Man is just you know like I have adhd so let's. Get like passionate about one thing I'm like jumping to the next job visited jump into the next, but it's still there it. They'll come back I. just gotTa get back. I focus on in pleasant summertime, so you know people aren't really like looking for the jackets right now, but come fall I'll get back into him, but yeah man the jackets. They were all original vintage. T shirts from those fights. So, yeah, I will get like I will go on Ebay in search like a chorale steel in see you know you know if I could find one of the vintage. T shirts like 'cause you know like golden boy or MGM Day. Keep those like there's. Hella. Stop like just like. Keep it and they don't want the stuff. They don't sell the owner what to do with it, so they're floating around year. You just gotTa find him so like I found like Zab. Judah mayweather like I find some crazy stuff, but sometimes they go for like two three hundred dollars. To the leg. I did like Mike. Tyson, Holyfield I think that shirt cost me like three fifty. For a t shirt like for. US Teacher, you know what I mean so. That was Kinda like the the greatness of those right, because they were all like super authentic one of a kind, you'll never see it again and yes, so those were really cool, but I get back into it, you know. When you get commissioned by like somebody in boxing or really anybody, and this is a mighty won't give by the way thank you, Sarah for joining us when you eat commissioned by somebody because the thing that was really getting meals like you got a really unique style with some of the ones that I've seen lately right like it's this. I don't know it's almost like a spotlight on the painting without there being a spotlight, you me like that makes sense. I'm wondering. Do they commission when they commissioned you like? Do they say hey I? Want this 'cause. I can't imagine like if I commissioned did I could never imagine sane. This is how I wanted and that being in my mind, you know what I mean or do they do they just give you free reign? So so I mean I've had commissions were like this is how I wanted one of exactly like this and you know when people say that is like okay, you know like 'cause. It's not fun for me. Then you know other people's like. Let me just run with it like I guess I don't know if you see the one behind me, but. Kid. Boxing Fan reiten. He's from the DMV area. Hit me up and was like yoke, doing my son in the bat. Look I think they were Disneyland. Is something in the background was kind of like the people around and stuff like that and I was like. Let me freak the background like let me put like some African print type. Be like. There is in leg. liven it up and you know. What you wanted to you know. He gave me free rein to do what I WANNA do so, that's that's when I have the most fun. One. That's the one Look good. Yeah Yeah. Show me a Lotta love man like I've got a lot of work from from just him like he's at his friends hit me up and. I've done stuff as people so definitely editor, a Lotta love. I'm into jacket the jacket that you did. We're Hagler hearns. That's one of my favorites as well man. I like the denim a lot, you really. Digital with that but so. Taken aback the box in no immediate rush to get into the business, I mean you see. I don't know. I, guess main events would be a good fit, right or women's company over there you. You seem to have a great relationship with Joe, Leeman zone and Kathy overall. Yeah, absolutely, I mean you know. I. Don't know what's going on I. Think they're kind of like a standstill to right now you know because. HBO was their thing and HBO's. No longer really not doing boxing anymore. I don't know how long that'll last. If forever I don't know but you know they're at a standstill, too, so it's not just me. It's everybody you know what I mean so but. Like I, said like. Eddie hit me up the other day. You Know Eddie Eddie Slim. The DMZ was lag great interview. You know we just chop it up like it's just all about relationships. You know what I mean, so something will happen. I don't know where I don't know win, but something will definitely happen. I'm I'm not worried. I'm not really concerned. Because like I said Brad throws me a bone here and there from top rank and. Do Things. Where can will Andrei so? It's like I'm I. Didn't I've never left the game? I'm and still I'm still involved so. Well I xe more specifically in his funny. You brought up because I've seen on social media like I said when I interview, I stocked, and I've seen people. tweet and to you like. Hey, you should hook up Eddie. You know he would love to pick you up and I've seen you reply like yeah I wouldn't mind if he wants to give me a job. I'm paraphrasing, but then. I mean listen like. You know I'm I'm for being with whoever's GonNa you know, support me and put me in a position to wear accurate. Grow and learn and know in this game. You never stop learning. You know you never stop learning I mean there's shouldn't. To this day like that I. Don't know and I like I'm like Oh. Wow, really like you know this. You never start. There's so much growth in this in this game. You know you could do anything from training to managing to promoting to. Site coordinating to whatever you know, you can do. Pr Marketing like there's so many different avenues in this game so I mean listen if if he would offer me a job today like I wouldn't turn down. For Short guys if you don't have anything, let me get to the people. We got a bunch Hold off. If you have anything you want to actor. Not Go for it because I see some or I'm sorry, go ahead, but my question was in the Patriot. Only I don't want to steal their questions. So we're going to go out to the UK. I got lethal, says hi Miss, Fina and Sarafina just. The first name was fina last name prison as name. person. You know 'cause. It's funny. I'm lacking so Fianna. Anyway They say my whole name any or like going at bay rays. Call Me Fina. It's funny, because for Latinos like I'm Dominican, so for US fina means like fine fine. That's. All right, so we got Caledonia UK says Hi Messina. Thanks for coming on the show. Can I ask why you are so sure about the AJ Joey? Rumors Yeah I've seen interviews. Where you said that Joey told you he knocked out aj or something like that you. Can I guess take that? I heard even what's his mouth? So I mean I don't know why why a? They will lie about that. Matter of fact okay so. I'd heard it from his team from Joey team, and then when I asked Joey, he is like. He wasn't denied it, but he like he wasn't confirming. You know what I mean so. It was just like okay. You know what I mean like. Okay, that's what it is, but I had heard it before the fight so I kind of like. I kind of felt like jarrow would beat him. You know just just for that. Aren't we got Brandon Cincinnati serves. What's the one you would love to see in the near future if you had the power to make it happen? I would definitely want to see US spending Crawford. You just made his heart melt. That is the biggest bud tender we got. So He's excited that you win them. Ruin if I four New Orleans, says, what's your thoughts on Gerald? Miller allegedly pop and again now you don't have to answer that. We just talked about it plus a lot of these are six days Oh. We were trying to get you last week so Wall! Stephen Chicago says Thank you for coming on the show I have heard it is the promoter that will suffer the most financially from the lack of gate revenue during this current. Excuse me during these current times. Is this true in your opinion? Yes and no, I think. The fighter hurts the most. You know what I mean like. You're not fighting. especially the younger guys, the up and coming. Kids right like that are built on club shows. You. Know they're not. They're getting paid peanuts. Anyway. You know so. They're they're really hurting? You know I, mean yeah, of course like the big revenue for the promoters obviously is going to hurt them, but you know. And the persons are so different now. It's crazy like the the numbers I'm getting off, guys. Fights are like wall. You know what I mean, really you know like for ESPN shows so it's just it's A. we're living in a different world. Now man like the game has changed I I hope. I hope he gets back to normal soon, but I. don't see it happening like this year at all. So I guess the argument there that people make. Is that taking a pay cut, but more people are watching them because we're most of us on lockdown or staying home, do the Cova. Do you believe that theory? Now. I think boxing's hurt and right now. I think by hurting right now and you know The average person isn't in tune into ESPN. Watch boxing I'm sorry like is just not happening. They don't know about these kids. They don't really care. You know so. It's like I. Don't know man in the shows haven't been that great. If in my opinion like it's Kinda like I mean obviously top. Does it amazing job with their matchmaking everything but I just haven't been like Super Like man. This is a fight. I really WANNA see. You know a haven't been super excited about it so. I. Don't know man we're. We're hurting right now for real. You know it's it's hard is definitely hard in this specialty is hard to make fights because guys aren't training. They can't go to the gym. You know like there's like drunk I. Mean like you know like certain gyms are like. Underground and they can get in, but you know for the most part. A guy can't have a real camp right now. You know so. It's really hard to make the fights. Totally agree Let me. Get to the next one is from. In the UK says come on man. Don't make it a bow. Oh. My God that's not. He's talking about someone else. I guess someone else was going to. Ask? You a quick or someone else must have accident deleted the question, but they must have led with. Your beautiful is something. You know how men are, so he was saying come on man. Don't make it about how she looks for say, keep it boxing so moving on Sony. Woods in Cincinnati, says greetings, salutations, salutation blesses I know. Time is money so Al. get right to the point. I admit I'm not throwing stones at Giral I'm hurling the Madam. And although I haven't seen official statement from him, it's probably not cool to pass judgment but fighters dying in the ring right now. That's Real I've long stated. The PD usage inbox in his car is like carrying a knife to a to a fistfight. The potential harm and death is there after an unfortunate deaths in the sport in the past one in two years. Do you feel stricker penalties such as lifetime? Banishment should be slapped on fighters with two plus offenses. I do I do think it's come to that? You know what I mean. It's come to that because. It's like the you know. These these guys have families. They have a they have kids in. This is a sport where it's is very unforgiving like they have. They have these families, but don't have anything to give to them when they die. You know what I mean like who's going to WHO's going to give a boxer life insurance? so this is one sport that if anything is to happen to them there, there's if they weren't smart in their career and saved money in daily things is very very difficult for the families. United mean so I i. do feel like Lake. It's important that that we all come together as one and make an overall rule when it comes to this I know we have all these different sanctioning bodies and everything. That's why it makes it so hard to kind of enforce rule across the board. But this is one thing that I think every every sanctioning body. Every state you know country needs to come together in in really like enforce this. You know because then guys will be more or less likely. To do it because I think new a now because they feel like Oh. Man, if I get caught six months, no big deal. Agreed Fact I. DON'T I. Don't fight I fight every six months anyways with the different exactly. So right so right the next one is from natural whiz in Canada. He says hi Misfield. I was wondering if you had an Itch to have one more fight, and if so against who? Know. Now of all I'm too I, feel like I'm too old secondly like it just. It I just don't have the passion for it anymore. Why workout and stuff, but you look good on the past. Thank you. I'll leave that to my girls, Ronca and Melissa Anandas, and all the girls crazy nuts man. I wanted them Melissa fight. Man Versus Michaela Lebaron, never happened it will I did to it covert canceled. Man is supposed to be on on the seventeenth of March in They had back to back. It was the Saint Patrick's day show massive square garden. In yeah they cancelled shows the fourteenth in the seventy. I think Edgar Edgar. Belonged was fighting on the fourteen. Melissa that fight was on the seventy hole swayed bargains was fighting on there I. IT was out excited for those shows. As exciting for those shows. Few more will let you go. We got victim Biden well lost. The says a woman that is involved with boxing. I have to acts. Can you see yourself being able to date a man who doesn't know how to fight? Now? Andrew. Dakota. Andrew Dakota in New Jersey, says I know you don't work for GDP anymore, but do you have any management deals with any other fighters? no I don't have any any managerial contracts right now. Legally because I don't have my license. I was actually waiting on that to open up again. they everything was closed, so that was actually something house planning on doing with because I did have a manager license before in out I'm just going to renew it. So you know that we could do everything the right way. Ryan in the UK says after seeing recent Miller Carmel and do an interview. What do you believe his so-called Legal Team are investigating? IDEA. fucking clue. I really don't know I mean. I don't know like I really. Do want to believe him. I really do I really do, but it's like. A I got see proof man. I got gotTA. Something's got to give you. The finitely, we. Of Big Casual says there's a Lotta money. Being made in heavyweight division right now with that being said, excuse me with that being the case. Would you be willing to present him again if he asked you to? Represent Him skews me. Durell yes, no! I like. I don't believe in going backwards, but you don't think someone else going to do it. I mean people didn't think he was going to get a deal after Eddie let him go and I said he would i. don't think tap rain's GonNa drop in. You S. control like Pr. Fix them in the in the publicity. Like how drop I'll be announced in, does it? Out of that picture entirely like you know I don't i. don't believe in moving backwards like one side. Disassociate myself with the situation in except the blessings that come to me because of it. I'm not going back to it because I'm I'm definitely blessed in like once. I cut those ties. When would you see life life? I mean life was okay with them, but life got even better without him. So can you just explain your reasoning as to why you believe top rank won't cut him. He's an investment. You know they gave him a signing bonus. J. Prince gave him money. You know what I mean like like. You don't just throw it away like Christine. Try to get your money back so if he doesn't get a lifetime ban. Which I! Doubt that he will you know I I don't see why they wouldn't keep in alright. Few more stumbling blocks in Colorado says piece Queen, what what was your first fight or fighter as a manager and your first as a promoter? and which do you prefer or enjoy the most? On I fighter ever worked with was guiding Mashad Holloway. and. Ready Right yet from Cincinnati came up with the Ricardo Williams and all those guys in. We had a cool low run in. He ended up being lake, probably the most legendary sparring partner in the game like he, he would like you man. He was a world champion in that in with the gloves on with headgear and everything like he was everybody sparring partner like he's far with Shane he sparred with. With the you had to be. Manny Pacquiao primary sparring partner. he was cloudy, right. Yup Yup then he also well. He was with with a nanny for years for years before the, but he was the main smart right when cloudy when he talked before that, maybe he was with like I forgot what it was like maybe like two thousand in Guy. Seven eight nine Lake roundnose those years. He he was Margarito sparring partner before this for shade. Moseley and Margarito ended up. Breaking relates orbital bone during sparring, and like we were trying to prove that he was using the cement during can't because. I'm like you don't go into a fight of that magnitude without practicing with the stuff and you gloves i. you know what I mean. You're not gonNA like okay. This is my first time ever wearing it. In. I'm like the fact that shots Audubon was smashed in had like winning headgear on like the mobile. Adding some even happen, you know so yeah, Rashad. Russia was my first in. You know I'm I? Never actually had it. Promoters is is always worked for the promoter so like I worked for Roy Jones, junior but like for real. Promotional Company was. I worked with the RENA boxing. When Gamboa's Lauren all those guys came over. So that was like my first experience, working with an actual promoter and win was that. I think. By early two thousand twelve right? And something like that. No earlier than it was earlier than eleven. Nine. I was going to say eight but I think it was like Oh nine. Hundred Eighty nine around then, yeah. We got to three more looks Li-. Boston Jared says given the underwhelming pay per view results for fury verses, while the to what are the chances of future cross promotional events can place such as Crawford versus Benson t a female versus take. I mean you're always going to have cross promotional. Sites right like I mean. You can't keep your fighters fighting your own fighters like that's. That's kind of Lake. Not, fair the public, maybe one of these vices. They're going to have the happy. All right we got. George Foster says Katie televises amend Serano who wins in house? She wants to run on New York City girl. Never! Go against my Gurov Museum a man is a beast Amanda. Amanda fights like a dude and you know what Amanda she trains like she's Floyd Mayweather. That girl puts in so much work is almost dedication like she's even have a cell phone. her. Whole world is boxing. She Eats Sleeps Breeds Shinzo so like her dedication or no cell phone. How you I can't live without the. I don't know I. Know West. Jesus she's a beast man, she's she's definitely abusive. She's dedicated to a craft, but you know it. It shows you know shows in her fights. Well, that is one. There's one that I. Think might have been missed probably the last one Sarah just let me get to that one in a very recent IFM interview, you said Miller, he would have. Won Utah Mark Alito. Year he got one look. Snuck it by. Trying to get to. But like I said men will be men, so we have the one white boy who says you nuts, who old eddie is a lucky man if he slid in them, DM's beautiful. Before I. Let you go. That's the last question so obviously about your social media. But why do you think men think? Let me. Shoot my shot in a message. Like. How does that even work? Will a girl actually all my God random person in my comments? You know what you just called me beautiful today. Let me DM you back and totally hook up like I never understood that. Easier for them to like be braver Uram saying so like they're not actually saying it so like they get braver I. Guess the field their. Filter there you go. See It in common sections all the time. It's like Oh, you're so hot and it's like. is a woman really going to be like you know what today I'm picking somebody up to come. End Zone you know. That's not my thing, but exactly, but anyway can you give your social media and we want to thank you for coming on the show. We appreciate you being here and we would love to get you back on soon, but thank you again for your time and once again. Apologies for kind of keeping you waiting. Man you can catch me on Instagram Sarah with an h fina. If I any underscore the artist. Is. This. Is that where people should go to get any of the paint, teams or jackets about specific. Wesley yet hit me up there. I'm always on there. I'm always checking my messages so yeah. So by jacket if you're GONNA try and get in them deums all right so and. Cash. Flow cash there you go. Thank you once again there. You have a ladies and Gentlemen Sarafina. We'll see you next time there. You have a great interview. Thank everybody that participated on our Patriot Post and definitely put your question in everybody that was respectful and. They made it a little jokey to we. We appreciate the candor and the Banter. Let's go out to the phone calls any final thoughts on the entire. Both interviews before I do get the people. Yeah, you know I feel like man Jerry. The more I learn about jared, the more that I like a think. This kid is really special. I think he's developed acting that he's a mature i. don't know man. I just look at him, and I think about everything Seth Mitchell wasn't. But. In like a good way or I mean I guess obviously that sounds way worse for Seth Mitchell, but I guess everything the hype for the last. Ten years that we've seen from certain heavyweights like I, believe in jared. was like I'm wishing on a dime I'm hoping I'm looking at Brian Jenkins knowing like okay. He's talented, but he's GonNa. Get also far I, see colleagues, jared Anderson I'm like Yoko. Does this kid even have a ceiling yet? Amazon and if he did he's too. You know he's. He's bigger than all oven. uh-huh, so he's the only one that sees it, but. Very very talented and as far as Sarah Yeah. I believe that it is a huge problem right now with boxing. Everybody's hurting, but specifically fighters and you know man. I hope everything changes soon really for the whole country, but specifically for the sport that I love. Yeah most definitely any final words on me. Yes, got one. Jared. You know he's the future. Maybe he hasn't been tested, but from what I got from the interview. He likes to get into fights. You know he wants to Joyce. He wants tonight. I'm getting a in the Jerry likes to fight if that's entertainment, so I'm going to be looking out for Jerry for sure and Saramanch. Time I actually you know. Get to talk to her like this and this interview and I'm not going to surprise by the knowledge, but she's very knowledgeable. She speaks like she's. Been in the game in the trenches in the INS and outs. I mean some adopted the godfather of boxing. She's a mother. got. What did I say Godfather? Godmother I'm sorry. Looking at a whole bunch of things on the computer godmother by I don't like game. 'cause you make are to be too old. I. Think. I'm pretty sure she's passed that godmother because she's. She's done a lot for a young fighters, coming up from picking them up to the gym, dropping off and I guess that's where it might have came from, but you know we didn't get the asker that and and. You know great Gal looks like she's good for the sport and she keeps you real so. Yes so the number to call in one four to five five six nine to forty one press one one time. If you want to voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people outline, we're going to go out to the sponsors then we'll get to all our callers. Remember to write US five stars, on Itunes. These calls are brought to you. By El, Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle, charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. visit us at El Camino. ELECTRICAL SERVICES DOT COM All all right. Let me go out to. Colorado. What up? Yeah that was A. Great Interview Man I met. Met Him a couple times. And a big baby Monica fit him. He got you see him in person. He's like a big do with a baby face, so fit him you know, and that's why I. Asked him now because I remember one time, early in book reared I was trying to get him to dump Baalbek, and and but I had a point he said. Is it better to have a coach that never fault pro or to have a coach that never talk pros so with I would rather have had. Had a coast deck and train anybody and that at least fall on a pro level that has that experience as professional any day that some of these guys has never fought Dan they life, and they supposed to be the best box and coaches that walked her. Just like a football basketball. D. Most of these coaches never played sport, so I'm not saying they're not good, but they can tell you from the outside from a culture perspective, but can they give you insight when you in their? Face I is telling you. Hey, just go harder job. Look like so I appreciate him being honest. Saying look I'M GONNA stick with my guy like like Bush said how can be a championship coach if I just leave him ago, join some big name codes so stick with Dakota's man. They got their give to. King Bomb Brooklyn. I like what it said about junkie you want to take. This. Competition you got me. He's he's county according to aggravate. Because He. He he's everyone man you don't. You. Now I kinda. Threw big. Like the room extra 'cause he talked about going to the body that's. Six full to fifty. Did you drive you? Disaccord your people whose let's see what he did what he is you. Guys see what's going. On. You be doing. See what it is! But You. Young Man, he went up rang. I'm trying to get a brain, but. I'm just happy to see what I see man fool. said. Out to greatness all them. What up? All right trey in the bay. Her Chemo Florida traded. Chain Get interviews. Man Just listened as Boomerang and stumble. Right came in Florida what about you? Just listen and. I. Back Kings. Kings. Oh TV was good people. This. Is this is on chill I mean this ain't the battle. You came in smooth with this one last time. You can't kick. Today's he. Format. Let's imagine don't forget. The shovels ness shovels. Call after that rat. He even been on a calzone. Oh! I'm sure he won't be. They can't back out now. Neither one was can afford to back out. It's going to be worse when we get that coach and I appreciate. That's not sidetracking, but you you. That's why ECP's advisement, because if it was up to me I, just jumping out the window, man but I got great advisement man. Well, thank you, brother, I appreciate the con- words. Stole Great Interviews May listen I spent my whole morning I was working and working now. jared like said. I'm definitely GONNA. Be following him. I kinda gotTA. Say It out loud Ohio definitely run boxing because we look at a lot of cars on top rank dates got a lot of catcher more so yes, what's up looking forward to tonight? Show and I'm out Joel. 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You can watch it record his whole career, and that's why I look, and I'm glad that a man can respect the man beside him. Sometimes we try to look for inspiration way above I. here's look next to you. Man The people around you time with show you the path you also I'm glad you recognize the around greatness. You can see his paths going. Shout out to him and I'M GONNA. Be Watching, let's do. The truth is shot out the James Prints I. mean everybody. The jared mentioned was Sikora Stevenson he's a silver. Olympia and he signed a James Prince. The next guy was keyshawn Davis. And and and and you know he's GonNa Sign James. Prince remember he teased it. We had him on the show, but it looks like he's GonNa. Stick out for the Olympics, Troy Eisley. He signed to James Prince. He was GonNa go to Olympics I wonder where he's going to start. Is he going to be light heavyweight? Because that's I believe the division. He was in I thought he was a middleweight really. Is it. was me I could be wrong. 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387: Tom Wainwright | How to Run a Drug Cartel

The Jordan Harbinger Show

1:06:16 hr | 6 months ago

387: Tom Wainwright | How to Run a Drug Cartel

"Coming up on the Jordan Harbinger show when a Mexican cartel goes rose five seven heads onto a disco floor in Mitchell kind. You know it's unavoidably dramatic thing which is not used to thinking about these organizations as being like companies. My arguments is just really if we want to defeat these guys, we've got to understand how they work and the key to understanding how they work is recognizing what they are, and that is profit motivated businesses. Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger on the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets and skills of the world's most fascinating people. If you're new to the show, we have in depth conversations with people at the top of their game astronauts and entrepreneurs, spies, and psychologists. Even the occasional emmy nominated comedian. Each show turns our guests wisdom into practical advice that you can use to. To build a deeper understanding of how the world works and become a better critical thinker and today another one from the vault, we're talking with Tom Wainwright author of narcotics. He's a writer at the economist loved that. Rag. And we're looking at the parallels between drug cartels and regular businesses. I. Just found the concept. So interesting and compelling that I wanted to do a show on this. This should listen to this episode if you're interested in how ideas of economics and business apply to any entrepreneurial or business venture, how cartels engage in corporate social responsibility, which has made laugh and just thinking about branding and even pr campaigns, how cartels franchise regulate Labor branch out on lines and even diversify into markets that produce and transport products that we all consume in our daily lives. Lives if you're wondering how I managed to book all these great authors, thinkers and celebrities every single week, it's because of my network and I'm teaching you to build your network for free over at Jordan Harbinger, dot com slash course by the way, most of the guests on the show already subscribe at the car. So come join us. You'll be smart company now. Here's Tom. WAINWRIGHT. Tom This is interesting because I heard the title of book and I thought. All right time is good. Right? Because we're fresh off narcos season two and I thought, wow, economics and drugs. Where do I sign up? It sounds just like college for me sort of and you've done a really interesting book here. You were a GPS device to meeting with drug cartel leader and it didn't work. So that was kind of what hooked me into this and I thought this guy, this guy is crazy. This is the craziest economists that I've ever heard of, because economics generally afield not known for its wild child type of outlook. How did you get interested in drugs? Well, I got sent back to Mexico in two thousand, ten with the economists in. You're right. This wasn't kind of natural territory for me. It wasn't the kind of story that I was expecting to follow bed You know I got there. It was just at the time that the drug war in Mexico was really taking off in the murderer that was going through the roof and I've been expecting. Expecting to write stories about regular kinds of business, you know thought, I'd be writing about the car industry Arrow, a tourism, that kind of thing. But arrived in found very quickly that the only thing people really were interested in talking about was different kind of business namely, the drugs business. So I find myself writing a lot about and the more I did the more I covered this industry and. And the more I spoke to the people involved whether they were the cartel leaders of the traffickers of the consumers or the rest. The more I realized that actually this business was really a business like any other and it had various things in common with other kinds of business. So I started thinking. Well, what would it be like if we wrote about the drugs business as a business because most. Most of the coverage that you read in the newspapers and the items that you see on the TV about the drug wool treats as a war is a crime. You know the coverage is very dramatic, but I thought how would it be if we wrote about these cartels as if they ordinary companies and analyzed midnight way what will be learn. So I started doing that and gradually found that. If you do think of them as being companies than you learn things about the POPs wouldn't previously been obvious. Why do you think the coverage is just based on the criminal element of it? Do you think it's just that we're addicted to drama on? That's more exciting or is there something else going on I think the drama is definitely a positive I mean when a Mexican cartel goes roles five seven heads onto a disco slower in Mitchell Con-, you know it's Unavoidable dramatic thing, and that doesn't surprise me that that's the thing that the detail journalist Gopher, but we just not used to thinking of it as being a business partly because they mean very obvious point to make. But you know the very fact that it's illegal means that we're not accustomed to thinking about these organizations being like companies don't be fleet I, don't file on your accounts you know and they don't give press conferences and so on. So covering them as businesses isn't completely straight foods by any means. I think our holes with the culture is geared towards writing about the drug war is of dramatic criminal thing, and it is all of these things I'm not trying to claim that it's not criminal and that it's not immoral. I think it's both of those things. But my argument is just really if we want to defeat these guys, we've got understand how they work. Work and the key to understanding how they work is recognizing what they are, and that is profit motivated businesses. So that's the key thing that we've got a bear mind when we write about them, and until now I think we've failed to do that our coverage of cartels is being very, very sort of black whites in the hasn't bothered to look very closely at. At. The numbers behind the business hasn't bothered to liberate closely at the real motivations of these guys. We writes about them as if they're purely motivated by a kind of blood lust and there is some of that. But above all what makes these guys tickets money and if you follow that, then you understand more whether coming from, they might do next. Yeah. Exactly we. We gotta hit him in the Wallet for sure because to get rid of anything like this, we can't really treat the symptoms which are people who've already been affected after a lifetime of using this for years of using this stuff, we gotta get to the real reasons that this is happening in economics is interesting and correct me where I'm wrong because you're an. An economist and I am not. I have an undergraduate degree that included some classes in this. So you're slightly more qualified than me, but economics is more or less a science. Right? There's a lot of numbers sure. You can spend them in whatever way that you want just like science, but on the other hand, it's really hard for the actual data to lie, right? Right, 'cause if you're looking at things through in either that tries to mitigate bias as much as possible. You end up with a certain set of conclusions that I would imagine most economists would agree with. So this is an interesting take on the subject because it's not done for political reasons. It's not done for moral reasons. This is just here's what's happening with. With the numbers, here's how the numbers can be corrected in order to correct the problem that we're facing, and that's what you sought to take a look at with this book from my view of it. Well, I. Guess That's part of it. Yeah. I mean. You've always got to be a little bit careful with statistics numbers because coast people can do lie with cystic. CYSTIC numbers you know you can use them in a misleading way and statistics to do with business a different in that sense. But I think that if you do apply the numbers properly new bring it kind of rigor to analysis. The sometimes is lacking I'm people just don't used the right numbers. I'll give you one example just seen after I, arrived in. Mexico. This event when the Mexican forces had just made a a huge seizure marijuana on the edge of Tijuana. It was about one hundred tons of the stuff and it was widely reported that this was all worth about half a billion dollars and the struck me as a huge huge amounts of money, and so I had to look at how they done it, and what they've done was they take in the retail price of cannabis in the United States and they'd gunfire kind of conservative estimates of five dollars a gram, and they'd multiplied his out one hundred tons and arrived at. At this figure of billion dollars and that sounds beverly sensible in you might think k., that's the kind of economic approach. But if you apply that to any of the business, it's clear that thoughts a crazy thing to do imagine if you did not say we'd coffee and use that. Okay. Here we've got kilo of coffee in. Colombia? How much is that worth while a cup of coffee in starbucks and the United States costs two or three dollars Annandale, you got couple of grams of coffees and let's say it's about dollar gram therefore kilo coffee in Colombia with thousand dollars. No right I mean, that's fairly obviously wrong and yet that's exactly what we do with drugs. We constantly do this thing of calculating the price of drugs seized in Mexico using retail prices and states, or in Europe, and that's why we get these very very inflated numbers and it just made me think that's just one example, but it made me think if we're getting basic stuff like that. Wrong, what else are we getting wrong in our understanding if the war on drugs and where else are we? We overestimating the effectiveness of our current policies. So I think bringing some numerical inside and applied statistics and so on. It's important. But you've got to use the right ones and part of the arguments of my book is that at the moment using numbers in a kind of enumerate way that would really stand out at this were any other business, but we tolerates it because in the war on drugs we used to about this as a real business, right? We're used to looking at the propaganda. Propaganda. Involved on both sides and and that makes sense. Right. So instead of looking at the street value of drug haul, we have to look way down the supply chain and look at where this has created and what it's worth over there, and I recall from the book that you've written something that actually surprised me quite a bit which that cocaine's not any more valuable than coffee at its source. But law enforcement caused smuggling criminal organizations, that kind of thing that raises the price by thirty. Thirty thousand percent once it gets to the United, states we're looking at the raw material itself. It's not worth much more than any other crop that you could grow in the exact same place without exactly right, and that's because it is just a plants. The Coca Bush, which is the main ingredients of cocaine is pretty easy to grow, and if you go down to South America as I didn't go to the places where that growing at, you can see that it's just an ordinary cash crop. You're right. It's not worth very much a tool to make kilo of pure cocaine powder. You need about ton of fresh coca leaf in Columbia. For instance, that turn is worth probably about five hundred dollars or thereabouts, which is nothing, and of course, by the time that kilo cocaine makes it's the United States. It's worth probably more than one hundred. Thousand dollars is a huge huge increase in the price at the stuff as it makes its way along the supply chain that leads us to A. A an important insight, which is that at the moment, a lot of our efforts to stop the supply of cocaine a focused at the very beginning of the supply chain and that kind of sound sensible. You know nipping the thing in the bud sounds if it makes sense you know going really early on and stopping a thing at its source sounds like a sensible policy, but it doesn't really make sense because if you consider the increase in the price of the thing is it makes. makes its way along the supply chain interrupting early on means that you're not really hitting the cows very hard tool. Let's see. You managed to double the cost of grabbing coca leaf in Columbia by Sprang weedkiller on the crops by but breaching ads, Dingley's other things that they do. You're going to double the cost of the coca leaf from say, five hundred dollars a tonne to thousand dollars ton. But if you pass that increase in price on the final product, you only increasing the price of. Of. A key left cocaine from say a hundred, thousand dollars, two, hundred, thousand, five, hundred dollars I reading anything and the comparison that I make in the book. Imagine if you're trying to increase the price of paintings, works of odds and you say to yourself, okay. The main ingredients at a painting paints and say what we're GONNA do is we're going to try to drive up the cost of a box of paints from fifty dollars to one hundred dollars and we hope on that basis. Basis that we're going to double the price of this billion dollar painting to two million dollars fairly obviously. That's ridiculous. Right? Even if the artists did pass on the increase in the price of paint to the buyer, you be talking about difference of fifty dollars, and that's exactly what we're doing with business where to drive up the price of coca leaf. Hoping that this will have a dramatic impact on the price of Cain in the states or in Europe, and it's not an you know when. When you just look at the economics of it, it's not remotely surprising that this is failing. So my arguments is if you look at the numbers, it's clear that we're focusing our efforts really in the wrong place. This is a huge bummer because what this essentially means that all of our interdiction efforts that happened before the US border are not doing nearly as much as we would like them to do because cocaine again is not that valuable until it gets to the US border, right? Right. So we almost have to wait until it gets right there and then go up. We got everything right, and that's really hard to do kind of like if you're playing a game where you have to catch a ball, it's like saying, well, I, need to catch the ball right at the peak of the arc instead of where it lands, which is really really really really hard to do. You'd have to time it in basically, I would say almost impossible to try to do that every. Every time reliably. So we can't hit supply is the conclusion here. We have to hit demand while I'm not saying Yukon supply tool. But yeah, I think you're gonNA focus your limited resources in one area then yeah, it makes more sense to focus on demand you get more bang for your buck. If you like if you focus on the demand side of things I, don't supply I mean the people who are involved in this that brave people doing good work earlier, you mentioned the Narcos. And you see the incredible risks, the surface people both Americans and Colombians take in order to try and stop these guys. You know I admire them for what they're doing. But I do think that they're focusing their efforts in their own place. Because as you say, if you try to interrupt supply, you're gonNA, find that if you do early in the Jane, you have very little effect, and if you late in the chain, you have more of an impact, but by that stage is very, very difficult because by the time the. The. Product makes its way to the states. It's dispersed into tiny quantities of just a few grams here and that, and you can look up those dealers. But by then you know he'd try and look up every dealer shifting grandma's the of cocaine you're going to end up looking at, you know very, very large number of people, which indeed is exactly what has happened in the US. So for those reasons, yeah. I think the demand side is wetter, focus our efforts, and if he spend the money on trying to reduce the The amount of these drugs by educating young people to take drugs to treat addicts so that they can reduce that consumption. You do end up having a much bigger impact and they're all kinds of studies. The pre. If there was one that was done if he is ago, which compared the impacts of spending a million dollars at different points in the supply chain and I believe the impact, they calculated spending a billion dollars on interception. Kane in south. America. was a reduction in the amount consumed in the states of about ten. Ten kilos with Arabs, and if you spend that million dollars instead on treating addicts in the states, you can reduce the amount consumed by about two hundred kilos. So you get ten times more for your money than you would otherwise, and this is tax payers money united tax dollars, tax euros, and tax pounds that are being wasted flying helicopters around in Columbia when we could be spending money doing other stuff, which would actually be an is proven stable. So the demand side I focusing on the consumers is where we should. Should be focusing not so much on the supply side I, chasing people around in Columbia. So if the price of coca, for example, is the same as coffee at its source. Why don't farmers in Bolivia and Mexico grow coffee instead of coca because they can make more by selling it to the cartels. It's still worth a bit more than coffee. It's very, very cheap compared to what eventually fetches in the United States or in Europe, but the price that they can get is somewhat higher than coffee. There isn't a huge difference. Difference I, remember I spoke to a guy in Bolivia. Who grew the stuff you calculate and I said well, what you do other stuff there lays crops out that either gripe and he said well, you know raising chickens was something that he'd be interested in doing, but he didn't have the money to start up a chicken business in he said the overall he wouldn't make quite as much and there are various programs that go on there in South America designed to try to get farmers to grow other stuff. So the European. European Union's bonsor something to try to get farmers to grow tomatoes instead tomatoes, as you might say, and similarly in countries like Afghanistan, the programs to try to get opium farmers to grow the stuff, and I think that's probably a mood humane way to go about things than spraying crops with weed killer and reaching the Tripolis Day you find that, it's pretty easy for cows actually to just offer a slightly higher price agaist the coca because the profits involved in the coca leaf associate grades that it's pretty easy for the call. Call towels to up the price they bid. So ultimately, I think trying to out price the outbid the cartels and get farmers onto growing other crops. It may be a better way of going about things than sprang coca leaf Weedkiller, but it's pretty tough because the mockup involved in the drugs businesses such that the cartels can outbid pretty much any other crop that you tried to direct farmers T.. So again, I think the supply side trying to fix things in Columbia, the source of the problem though it sounds very sensible. The evidences that has a pretty limited effect, right, and of course, the demand for this that creates all the profit creates new technology and ways to grow things like that. Just because there is a push on that side, it's almost like they're getting subsidies at some level rent. A lot of people who know what they're doing being hired down there to help grow this stuff that aren't just farmers, experts helping people grow even more making it more resilient, hiding it from the air and making it grow fast all these different things that you get when a crop is actually worth money are now happening with coca down there. So it really does sound like. Like a losing battle and I think everybody knows that we are losing the war on drugs at least from this end as well. It's really disturbing to me that you end up with essentially what are like the Mexican navy seal type forces us going and starting essentially a wing of a cartel that becomes a cartel in itself and you end up with these crazy pseudo. Pseudo legendary figures like El. Chapo whose escaped from prison multiple times in sounds like something out of a television drama that ran out of storylines Let's just have mesquite from prison. Again, let's have escaped again. It's just it's ludicrous and the popularity of of shows like narcos are bringing more attention to this subject by the way when you are interviewing farmers people involved in. In the drug trade, do you speak Spanish or do you have a translator I speak Spanish with them on the hall? I mean. It's funny. Some of them actually spend a Lotta time in the states. One Guy I was interviewing in a prison in San Salvador, we were speaking in Spanish. Then be referred to the fact that he lived many years in Los Angeles. English was probably much better than my Spanish. But now usually I to them in Spanish. That's the easiest way on the whole to communicate with people down that. He I figured I was just wondering if you had a translator because that's a job that I don't know if I would pick up if I saw an ad for it, I denied, it'd be interesting. You'd get some interesting vocabulary wouldn't. When I arrived? Mexico. My Spanish was limited and I actually lend bit more in the kind of words that you Lana. Intriguing words for people who are found blocks in the trunks of cars and people. He'd be shut with machine guns and that kind of thanks. I. Yeah. VOCAB was kind of different. So what I learned in England. Yeah interesting stuff way. What are these words you can leave us hanging on this? There's different names for people that have been found locked in the trunk of a car that just have a term for that Oh, God. Yeah. No, you're asking me now. Sorry, it's. It's a few years being as a Mexico. So I can't remember it was his. Particular words that he is the people he way found in the boots. 'cause people who I different, what's people who'd be next used in different ways, people have been just wrapped in tape to suffocate of the slang terms, go to these different forms of execution, which a very unpleasant. That's really gross though it's almost like they're doing it so much needed shorthand for this. That's really disturbing. Yeah. It has a vocabulary. All of its iron says pretty grim stuff. You wore a GPS device to a meeting with a drug cartel leader. Leader first of all, what was your wife thinking when you were doing all this research I, mean your family must have been like, are you crazy? They must not have slept for the years that you were down there and doing this book. Yeah. They were a bit of a change from my usual kind of work in length I. Think they were kind of intrigued by the whole project. My wife was them very good at kind of tracking my whereabouts using this GPS thing, and I'd check it with her now to get. Is Still. Alive, it was interesting. You know I Kinda Roam around bits of Mexico and Central America and South America meeting these interesting guys getting into these the one really an exactly like the kind of injuries I've been doing before. But you know when you speak to these guys about the businesses that I run the companies that they run some of the things I say, do kind of echo the comments that you hear from middle managers and other companies you know they would like to complain about that employees in the way that manages always do they complain about the treatment they got from the government's low. With took, you pat, slightly different on complaints from the ones that ordinary fans my half. But yeah, it was kind of exciting growth. Have I. Guess It was pretty frightening. Sometimes going to places, lights dot whereas in places like San Salvador where the level of violence is extremely high, but I guess one thing I always remind was that the real high risks are really faced by. By the Mexican journalists are the ones who often a place at greatest risk because they're the ones you actually have to live in these cities permanently. You know I was based in Mexico City. So I'd fly into semi likewise demands of us, and then make sure that I was on the flight back to the different situation for the local journalists who live in these fifties. After reports on crimes, the people writing about very often know where they live and where their families live in the levels of violence against Mexican journalists really through the roof. So the kinds of risks taken by foreign like me really nothing compared with the ones faced by local reporters. You're listening to the Jordan. With our guest Tom Wainwright we'll be right back. 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I if I want to hear how you did that because it's not easy to move people around in that way, you don't. We did it through the Darien gap that Oh. seriously. Wow. Yeah. You picked a difficult. Yeah. Well, we figured that it was probably one of the best ways for him to disappear without dying, but then also had a high risk in and of itself, but it was kind of like, do you want jump off this five story building or do you want to swim across this shark-infested Bay? Like it was just one of those kind of situations for this guy. But see that Juarez where you were is dangerous because it's one of the gateways for drugs. The US seventy percent of traffic is what you'd estimated, and at one point had the highest murder rate in the world, and so you're kind of. Of hanging out here, where are you conducting these interviews? I'm interested. It depends on really on on the person. But in Juarez I remember speaking to, let's see business people who had had problems with the cartels. I mean that was one of the most interesting actually interviewees the extortion business in choir was a big deal when I was that because at the time, though is a big big bottle gang on between the local scuttle, the Lower Kotel, which at the time was trying to take over the city that and to raise funds for the battle they were having between each other. Both consoles were Levian, will they? Kind of extortion money on local. FEM. So often I would speak to business people in their places of business. You know it could be bars or wherever shops and speak the people that I spoke to govern people in their offices. Police. Officers went to kind of community projects. In some of the slums. There is not a complete safety to be in I. Thought. But the main thing I tried to do is just to stay off the streets by the time and go. Go, from appointment to appointment and stay inside rather than just kind of strolling aimlessly around looking like a tourist. So I tried to make sure that I had a pretty full diarrhea, the guy from appointment. Yeah. I mean the violence that you described. There is so vicious. It was the stuff of nightmares. Really. There's no getting around it. Do you ever think about stuff in Canada? Wake up with a shiver, some of the stuff you read about his is really graphic and. And Gross Yeah, it's pretty test I. Guess not now I'd I'd just leave reasonably well to be honest I think part of the thing appeals me about writing about the cartels in the way that I did you know as an economist or is business journalist was you can kind of get around the drama of it and just spoiled the business down to its basics. You know there's always so much emphasis on the drama on on the kind of gruesome details and if. If, you get completely lost and not than I think you can lose sight of the more points. But yeah, you're right. I mean, there's no getting away from the kind of levels of violence. They're just excruciating when ye videos of the thoughts are Isis Islamic state's put out. Now, united, some of that stuff is nothing compared with what's going on in Mexico and was being funded by people he by drugs in in my country and the news, one of the things that. That I read in your book was something about Kiki Federal Agent that is referenced actually in the beginning of narcos where they said Kiki. died for all of us and I was like, what does that mean? So I looked it up. We'll link to it in the show notes, but don't read it. If you are because like it's you just can't stop thinking about how gross what they did to this federal agent was. It's just like it's really it's inhuman at every. Every level really kind of insane and so what? Yeah. When you're this close to it, it just seems terrifying. But I understand that you're looking at this drug cartels, their global conglomerates, they're massive businesses and fact you'd written that cartels would be one of the top forty countries in terms of economics if they were a country instead of a business, right? So we're talking like Walmart style. Yeah. Absolutely. Businesses Very Opaque oversleep by night shift, but the UN reckons the worldwide every. Every year is with something like three, hundred, billion dollars a year. So in country economy terms, it's I, think it would be just ahead of Israel know if the trucks business were country, it's a pretty serious economy. They really use the economic power, and if you look at some of the countries where they operate particularly ones in central, America, where in many cases, the state's government is very, very weak. The cartels just off the upper hand and I, remember going to interview. Interview the Security Minister in Belize, which is this tiny tiny country with a population of I think asked about four, hundred, thousand people. So Unites Really really small at the time believes the government believe didn't own a single helicopter between them and they're up against these towns which have not only helicopters, but they've got their own primitive submarines they they've got with basic tank. They've got all kinds of things and that power to Outgun outspend governments in parts, the world is in. And that power corrupts as well. They do a lot of work corrupting police officers and soldiers, many cases even corrupting senior members of the government's Mexico. Some years back discovered that the guy date named that drugs czar, the main guy sites in the cartels was in fact himself working for at the cartels and when you see the profits, the east cartels make, it's not surprising that they have the budget to bribe these guys even at the very highest levels. So we're really facing a very, very serious advisory in at the moment worried that we're not terribly good job beating. Yeah, it's terrifying. It really is and looking at some of the same problems that cartels have you're looking at some of the same problems. Entrepreneurs have multi national have. I'd love to explore some of the parallels that we see here because yes, we have things like systematic police murder, which is sort of like dealing with a regulatory agency, which is kind of a weird way to sugarcoat that. But. Cartels. Even do things like pr campaigns and it's just really really interesting to see how the problems have to be handled in the same way. Let's talk about the PR. This is something that I was really surprised by the cartels are campaigning with locals doing pr to get local villages and cities to support one cartel over another typically by painting one as worse or more criminal than the other, which to me just that just was to Meta. I had to wrap my head around that and it took a second and you end up with. With other cartels, naming themselves. Things like the outer defenses, which is basically like the self defense. Brigade, they're supposed to be this anti-cartel militia and their fricken trafficking organization. Yeah. Yeah. No I mean, the hypocrisy is just incredible, but you're right. They do go into these surprising PR exercises. You wouldn't have thought the public relations was high on the list of priorities for a drug cartel, but actually they seem to take it very seriously and in northern Mexico. Sometimes these signs a payoff in hung up from freeway bridges accusing other cartels being very immoral. It will say something like El Chapo never kidnaps people. He just gulped the drug trade. He never commits violence against others and that kind of thing, and of course, it's type of rubbish, but it helps to persuade as people in one car tyler's bathroom worse than the other I think the kind of heights of this PR activity is a form of what really looks like corporate social responsibility and it sounds crazy, but it can if you watch that show Nakai's or if you read. Read. About Pablo Escobar. One of the interesting things about him is that despite the fact that he brought stunning levels of violence to Columbia, he remained in many areas. A popular figure. You know his funeral was attended by thousands of people and it was because he sprinkled a few pesos here and there on community projects, you know he paid for housing projects, he paid for sports, facilities, and similar things go on now in Mexico in Mexico. Occasionally find churches which have plaques on the. The outside saying this church was kindly constructed with funds from Sanyo assigned. So and it turns out send your phone. So is the leader of a drug cartel and these guys by spending that many here in that, they managed to secure a kind of basic level of support among the public and without basic level of support is much hotter than to remain at large because the police rely on the public give tips to let them know where these guys on on the Kotel kingpins. Kingpins. In fact, managed to stay at large through a mixture of your admittedly plenty of intimidation of one reason people don't report them, but it's also because they do have genuine support in some areas because they spent that money on the community have in some cases. Shinola supposedly a primitive form of social security that has been set by a Chapo Sinoloa cocktail and so many people that do actually think twice about riposting them. You know this isn't a country where the government is. As active as it should be providing opportunities for impoverished people is there when you've got a guy who's made a lot of money exporting some product to a foreign country, you know he's willing to spend his money on building good stuff in the local community weather at a clinic or a school or housing, or whatever. Some people actually think. Well, hang on, you know these guys will bad should we be reporting and so the cartels really put money into this corporate social responsibility and public relations is a very, very big deal for them. They take it very seriously. You Know Cross does this. Like Hezbollah where basically they start to like you said, build schools, build clinics, it puts the criminal organization, the Mafia in competition with the state to provide. So it's kind of a genius strategy because you get cautious acceptance of the local people especially when the state cannot provide, and of course, the states busy trying to fight cartels and deal with the criminal elements. So they they have to divert resources to. To that, so it's kind of this cycle that fulfills itself right out of the state's running out of money. 'cause they're fighting criminal gangs, they can't keep schools and other organizations up to snuff. Let me use them my illicit funds to help build the stadium instead, and now you end up with this, putting the people, the common people against the state with respect to his problem, which is a huge obstacle. Obstacle to eradicating this issue in the first place, and it's just fascinating to be cartels are actually brand-conscious. It just seems like something that wouldn't be necessary. But if you don't have to intimidate a certain wrong of people on the ladder here, you can end up with the base, right. You end up with a base and those people can protect you. It's kind of an extension of the plateau or Paloma. Paloma, which is led or silver essentially, which also sound straight Outta narcos where either you take the bribe and you take the money and you take the benefits or they just do something horrible to you like wrapped you up in duct tape or whatever was you'd mentioned earlier these cartels managing their image by making killing and violence either really public or by hiding it and dragging away the bodies banning. Banning the news stories and found really interesting that the most dangerous time to be outside in Mexico is five, forty, five pm because they'll often kill random people. Cartels will in an area in order to make the evening news and then promote army crackdowns in the area and they essentially, they do this on rival turf to get public eyeballs on how much violence is happening on some rivals turf and then. Then get the government to intervene so that they can get a leg up on a rival cartel. That's exactly right. Yeah. It's a clever strategy. Often the cartels did I best to convince the government to act in particular areas effectively said that they can use the government's forces against their own advisories and say, you often see this phenomenon where cartel will carry out some extravagant acts of violence in another cartels. Cartels. Patch. So that it could dump a dozen body somewhere in the middle of a busy shopping streets or something like that. Is Kinda back to violence that the government Konig Noel, and when they do that, you immediately find to greatly increased presence of soldiers and federal police that makes it much much harder to the business that's area heating up the plaza unit by that, they mean making it harder for. For the cartel to carry out his ordinary business transactions on its usual tough there. I think there's a lesson for the government in and other countries, which is that when you see a very big extravagant acts of violence carried out, say on the turf of, let's say disasters. For example, you can immediately seem that this was done by and therefore centiliter soldiers to this area. It's crackdown you perhaps. Maybe, this act of violence carried a pint is his arch rivals. Maybe you should send you soldiers to the place where they're active. Instead, that might mortar deter these sorts of public acts of violence. Fif- public consumption, but you're right. It's all part of strategy that the cartels have to try to direct to states resources for benefits because if you can make. Make the army, go to a you want to go. Then suddenly a lot of firepower that you've got your disposal absolutely free of charge, right? Exactly. Paid for by the taxpayer unfortunately cartels as well control the media message. Of course, a lot of news outlets won't report on certain battles or they'll make a big deal out of another battle or other violence. Violence and what you end up with the same thing that happens when media is corrupted or under central control and other places, which is you end up, was social media starting to play a larger role. So there's a city that its name escapes me from your book where they used twitter to keep safe and tell them what's blocked off where there's ongoing violence because the news outlets are just not reporting on this stuff accurately or in a timely manner because there's cartel influence. That's right. It's referring to his Rhino cernan stated Tamales bossy right on the border of the stays over there. The local press have found that they just can't report on the drug will a tool they started doing it but. But they found that anybody who writes a story about the local Kotel cone flakes very quickly found themselves being intimidated or worse, and what the local government has done. There is set up a twitter account and they just tweet these varies with political messages saying situation of risk in sentences Oh don't go here. It's just a very simple way of leading citizens. Citizens now to avoid particular areas and the United. States would say, these reports, he fighting who they didn't give details because they've learned from experience that that upsets the cartels, but they won't to give people just a very basic level of understanding of what's going on. So they do via twitter and e find also various websites being sets up to provide the. The kinds of details that odori newspapers or TV stations console went provide I. Mean. There are various blogs that provide very gruesome details about the latest tit for tat killings in the drug war, and that's where people get their news facebook groups or another one on these places provide a place for people to share stories about the drug war, which are not subject to the kind of censorship that the media have to us and not subject to the kind of intimidation. The cartels can employ because the very nature of twitter and facebook zone is that it's somewhat easier to retain your anonymity load. Some people have found that they haven't been able to do that in some bloggers. He thought they were anonymous. Ended up paying the price for that, but it's true. Social media is an increasingly both ways for people to share information about the war on drugs because the regular meter in Mexico has found, itself really muzzled by these guys why even El Chapo kid didn't he tweet about him hanging out with my dad and then they caught him because of that a moron? Well, supposedly, yeah. Some of these children of the knock as. As got these extraordinary twitter accounts where they tweets about that latest Ferraris or that gold plated guns or whatever it is. Amazing. The level of impunity. Some Mexico is such that these guys can really make no sense about where that money comes from and still get away with it. We found the twitter account of his son. Let's take a quick two seconds and Yvonne Archie Valdo. Goes Mon- followers one, hundred, sixty, seven, thousand. And yet his cover picture of him with a hat, and then the background is like a bunch of different sports, cars, crappy low Rez photo, a bunch of different sports cars. It's usually it's he's into Qasr, Kinda, very exotic guns as well. You'll probably find kind of place guns if he's called on his feet. Diamond, encrusted weapons. Hanging out with hot chicks at some bar that clearly live in like the Combo with no shirts on jumping up and down, and there's L. Line in my helicopter, and then his face blurred out with two random like Babes street racing hanging out as plane yet new Ferrari. You weren't kidding him in some boats and Oh. Yeah. Wow. All the car keys of either all his or him and all his friends in Mercedes Ferrari Bentley, BMW maserati Lexus in pretty much everything else. No. Tesla though not into the Tesla yet. No the challenging point Sir I think range anxiety is pretty big deal if you live in the desert so. Maybe. Maybe one day. Exactly. If only, it could run your car on cocaine and yeah, here's a gold plated forty-seven in the driver's seat of a BMW picture, and the rest of it is literally just that time thousand. If you can just keep scrolling down in, it's the entire. It's all it is. Is just that over and over and over again, pretty much what you would expect from a guy who owns a nightclub in Miami Kinda Guy? That's exactly what I can on here. Yeah. But. But yeah, that's I'm afraid that states play at the moment. I. Mean, you went to jails all Salvador, interviewed leaders of gangs like Mara Salvatrucha, eighteen, dot right I mean you're talking about the gangs deciding to collude and not kill each other and the statistics you give are just incredible. Seventy thousand lives lost in the nineties yet a ten percent chance of being murder, Nell, Salvador period plain and simple, and then they decided to collude not kill each other and violence falls by sixty six percent. Yeah. That's right. It's crazy and the change that you referred to that big drop in the violence. It happened Laura overnight. If you look at a graph showing the number of murders in El Salvador, it wasn't something that happened slowly over time. It was something that literally happened overnight and the reason was the two big gangs. The MARSOV. Through June Eighteenth Street gang signed an agreement who made an agreement with each other. They would form a kind of ceasefire an instantly the level of violence drought site that you know. It just shows how much of the violence these guys are responsible for, but it also shows that this. Behavior, of these gangs can have a big impact on the amount of violence. In these countries. It was economic decision by these guys that I thought, the colluding would probably increase that profits more than competition would. So they decided to go for that. Instantly, the country became a far far safer place. That's the kind of interesting story for people who think that economics can be away into this subject. It just shows that a thing go business decision by a couple of gang leaders can. Transform, the security situation in very troubled country like that. So the story about Salvador I think is one for people to look at, and since then the packs that has broken down, and as I understand, the country now has become a very violent place again. But lasted for I believe a couple of years or thereabouts that was kind of peace in the country or relative peace due to the changing dynamics between these two gangs. So I think it's worth a further study to see if the kind of these can be replicated because El Salvador shares that it can be done at least temporarily. This is the Jordan Harbinger show with our guest Tom Wainwright. We'll be right back. This episode is sponsored in part by man's gaped summer is in full action full swing. Here, we're thankful for our sponsor today manscaping for keeping US fresh sons out buns out, and hopefully you are appropriately shorn manscaping offers all the right tools to keep your hair grund above and below the belt. got. All, kinds of tools. They got the crap preserver. They've got the lawn Mower, the perfect package three point. Oh Kit comes with all of that stuff and let's just say my wife doesn't like to share her nail clippers I use the shears two point Oh, nail kit. 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We've got worksheets for today's episode as well. That link is in the show notes at Jordan Harbinger, dot com slash podcast, and now for the conclusion of our episode with. Tom Wainwright. These cartels even keep wages low because there's no competition for talent. In other words, it's very hard to go from one to the other in the way that they do. This is kind of grossly genius, the Tattoos, especially, the gangs like amas eighteen have on their face, they show allegiance to one side. So in Mexico bangers can switch based on who pays more has power, but in places like El Salvador. TAT's not only do they prevent you getting any kind of real job whatsoever, pretty much forever, but they're basically cattle branding their members, right? It's like if you've got that, you can't switch back to Windows. You've already got three Max, an iphone yet. The that's exactly right this to me when I went to meet the head of this cartel, the Eighteenth Street gang in his jail cell in Salvadoran. He was one of these guys who they look extraordinary united tattooed literally from head to toe, and I was interviewing him and just wondering where this tradition had come from the kind of ody's Hattie's and I thought about this labor market economics of it and I think the way you. You described it as exactly right. It does give these gangs. These cocktails are kind of ownership will most of their employees because imagine a regular employee. If you're good at your job, you may get an offer to work somewhere else you know you might try and get a job with a different company. You know if I get sick of working at the economist where I am at the moment, if I feel not paying me enough I could try and get a new job I time or something like that. But that would be somewhat harder. If I had the economist tattooed on my face, I find it a bit more difficult. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Luck. Getting rid of your. Bobbing logic is exactly what the gangs in El Salvador, united you've got Eighteenth Street Gang Tattoo you like your body going for a job interview with the Mar Saba, true Jay is going to be the mole bracing experience to say the least and say they retain a kind of ship that employees and it means that they're able to keep wages very low, and it's one of the great paradox of the drugs business. You hear about the billions of dollars that are made in buffets and true. It is a fantastically lucrative business, but you meet the guys who are working as part of this industry in a country like El Salvador and for the most part, not rich guys. Guys, you know they're making a few day and part of the reason for that is that the cartels exit this very, very powerful control over their employees cartels further than they do the same thing as other mafias do right in new. York for example sanitation, they've got what we would traditionally refer to economics as a cartel where they agreed not to lower the price for their bids to a certain level so that they can extort or at least in the past, they could extort the tax payers to get higher pricing for waste disposal and things like that. No. That's right. kind of price fixing something. You see it all kinds of regular industries and that's the point. Point web organized crime and legitimate business have sometimes mass in the past because the mafia's always played a role in many places of sorts. Full thing, these price-fixing agreements. So I read this one great study actually I think is just about the earliest study that anybody's ever done if the mafia it was done in Sicily sometime in the nineteenth century and it was a study of the, I believe the milling industry as in the flour milling industry and the millers that realize that if they fix that prices, they could make more money than by competing, but the problem was that they couldn't rely on each other to uphold disagreement. You know the worry was the one member would. Would break agreements, undercut the rest, and so they got a bunch of guys. He will basically the Mafia enforce this agreement. You know they all paid these guys on the understanding that if anybody the agreement than the Mafia would go. So the mouth, and so that was one of the very first roles that the mafia played. They were that to make sure that these legitimate businesses didn't stray from the price-fixing arrangement that they had made between them. Uneasy similar stuff going on in garbage collection industry in New York. Historically, that's an industry, which is had a big big involvement of the mafia, and again, the role that it has played, that has been to protect the. Contracts from competition, and it's interesting because when you get that kind of interaction between organized crime and regular business, it becomes a lot harder to stamp it out. You know if we're going to crime is something that all of society is against. Then getting rid is much easier when it's something that actually a lot of people in society have a stake in preserving when he find legitimate companies, actually find the mafia used in forcing bargains between the when he find that local people are in favor of the mafia because Mafia provides with public services in the way that problem ESCO bought. Did you find the actually summoning the kind? kind of popular pressure to get rid of these guys is much harder because they've made roots in science and they've got people on my side. So those kinds of links a very, very important to cut out because the more you can isolate organized crime groups from the rest of society. The easier it is to stop them out on the other hand, the more those groups embed themselves and get at ten schools into basic legitimate society whether it's the business community will just ordinary people. The hunter is going to be to get a kind of consensus that they have to go. So that should be a priority for we'll get. Cartels and extortionists are franchising as well. Can you briefly explain the concept of a franchise is in business and then explain how the cartels are also doing this? Oh. Sure. We'll just briefly at probably easiest way to describe your franchises picture Organiz ation like McDonald's or say like starbucks, you know any kind of change that. Very. Often you have a central headquarters which runs the operation and they will allow franchisees local business people to setup. Say at McDonald's restaurants, and the deal is that local business person guests to use the McDonald's brand, they use the McDonald's recipes and all the rest of it, and in return, the central organization takes a cuts of the revenues of that local business and it's been very successful in the fast food industry, for example. Example. It's a very, very quick way for companies to grow because it means that the company doesn't need to raise lots of money to set new branches because the Franchisee as much of the startup costs. It means that consumers all the country or life the world know what they're guessing. You know if you were a big Mac in London, it's the same one that you'll get in Los Angeles or the same when the get. Get in Beijing and so for consumers, it often helps to increase the branding power of civilization says being very successful and surprise surprise the drugs businesses condoms to this as well, and when I was in Mexico one of the big stories at the time I was there was the spread of this game called disasters and they spread very very quickly. You know within the space of just a couple of years it seemed that they. They managed to set up a branch in every city, and so I looked at the situation and thought well how they done this and I immediately. It reminded me of organizations like McDonald's, and so I looked into it and it seems that was actors are doing something very similar. They do is instead of sending their own employees to a city to go and set up a new group that they will send some agents. Agents there took to local criminals who runs the show down there and say look, Hey, how about this you can use Brian will lend you disasters brand, and in return, we want to cut your earnings and we can provide you with some training with weapons and with our logo and so on, and it's extraordinary. You find in some parts of Mexico is comps of being rated and they find these guys got branded battle caps. caps, t shirts, and that kind of thing. It really is like a franchise and help them to grow very very quickly. But the thing is the problem obviously for Mexico, because these guys are growing very fast, but is appropriate, will say the franchising business can create problems full disasters as it creates problem sometimes for McDonald's into. One of the things that you find with regular franchises is that sometimes franchisees will argue about the. The fact that there is supposedly t many franchises in in a particular area. Right? Encroachment is what they call it. That yet, that's exactly right and you find loads of cases about this in the states, and in Europe, you find franchisees claiming that there's being encroachment whether it's McDonald's or a hotel chain or whatever, and the problem that lies at the root of this is that the interest of the franchisees and interests of the. The main firm on very well aligned obviously from the point of view. The franchisee. It's great. If they've got the only, McDonald's franchise in one big city from the point of view of the firm. Equally obviously, it's good to have as many as possible because they take a cut of total revenues. They'd have particularly cares each individual Franchisee is less profitable, and the same thing happens in the world of towels you find the. Individual Franchisee possesses often find another xetra franchises opened up somewhere nearby and rather than issuing this problem through the coats, which obviously, they can't do because this is an illegal business day satellite differences using violence, which in the world of drugs is the only way to enforce contracts, and in many parts of Mexico, you find the some of the violence can be attributed to exactly that effectively encroachment battles between different Franchisees at the same. which found themselves situated a bit too close for comfort in that, fighting over the limited amounts of prophets available in a particular area in places like Acapulco. For example, is some evidence that some of the violence is caused by effectively different franchisees. If the Sinoloa Federation and so that it's something for these cartels to bear in mind as they do that franchising it. So very, very quick way to expand, but they may find the differential Z's actually argue amongst themselves more than they might bog until there's a lot in this book, the idea that some cartels relying territory. Territory others rely on products and smuggling. It reminded me of Internet business versus let's say brick and mortar. You end up with different cartel territories and things like that, and even online sales which I wasn't sure was the real thing. But it seems like now while Silk Road and websites like that. No longer exists. But of course have been replaced by something else. I. Assume now you're looking at it entirely different way an entirely different market and sort of pathway trade route for drugs sued does this mean you can buy cocaine online? Obviously, I'm asking for a friend. You can't you can bike again, you can buy more or less what you like online and it is amazing. If you get to these websites like as you say silkroad itself longer exists, but it's been replaced by a lot of other ones you go in there and you can see products to sail different varieties of cocaine of heroin crystal meth. You name it, you can find it on the dark web and alongside these products, he find reviews at the products by consumers and a lot of these sites have been set up to look like Ebay, you kind of. From, people who voted from the supplier and they can give a kind of sums up with down is extraordinary. It makes the business of buying drugs feel a lot more like businesses of buying regular products and I. Think for consumers. You know it gives them setlow more information about the product they're buying, and it also gives them more information about prices because one of the key differences between drug markets and. Regular markets is that intrigued markets? You don't have very much transparency about pricing. So let's say you're buying a products. You know the computer or something like that. If someone is trying to tell you, it's a more than the regular price. It's pretty easy to find out that someone else is selling it for last so. Much better, abusive. The same price in the drugs world. It's very, very hard to do that. Consumers might know that regular guy sells cocaine I price. They won't have any way of knowing if the some of the guy across the sales at much cheaper releases much harder for them to find out and similarly dealers don't have any very easy way of advertising staff. You know they've got a network of people to him. Him, they saw red drugs. But if someone else he lives nearby, he would be willing to pay more. They would necessarily know that they can't appetizer idea online. They can do all of this stuff. They that prices pretty openly. Consumers can decide between products based on price between products based on their reviews at the quality and so on, and so it starts to resemble much more irregular market is not the kind of. Of, hidden markets anymore as a regular competitive free markets and say what you would expect to find and I think we're probably already is the online, the kind of drugs that you will find a probably of higher quality. That's say greater purity and probably of lower price, and crucially, they tend to offer better you Michael Customer. Service and is very, very surprising. Easy. These guys drug dealers on the web offering things like. Like. If you shipment guys missing, we'll give you a fifty percent refund or if you're a loyal customer will give you a discount on your next offer and they have kind of happy hour and they have special promotions and one of the things that you dissociate with regular businesses, and so the online world of drugs I think really has the potential to change the industry quite a law, it has the potential to. Drive up the purity of drugs, drive down, prices, improve customer service, and. Make it an altogether a better experience consumers, and in some ways. That's good. But obviously, the worry is that it could make drugs much more appealing. You could ultimately see it increase in drug consumption. The I'm just I'm imagining you know fair trade cocaine and all inventory must go flash sale right online. There's lower barrier to entry. If you'RE GONNA sell online, there's lower risk. You don't have a need for any network of contacts as well because they're. They're coming through the website and yet the level of trust is handled by feedback in the market is like yelp cartels are moving not just cocaine and things like marijuana. But AVOCADOS, of course, human trafficking, oil petroleum, even cheese. So have you done the math? I mean what are the odds that we've eaten or used something handled or managed by drug cartels? That isn't drugs always so good question. I'm afraid I don't have an exact answer for. For you, but I mean it depends on where you live. So you mentioned the cheese business. This was something that happened in. Central America where there was at one point the feds cartel de Las Casas, which was the cheese towel and dot existed to overcome a ban on imports cheese from one. Central. American country to another safe you lived in I. Forget I think maybe it was El Salvador if he boots good cheese that it was a pretty Pretty good chance. It'd being smuggled in from I, think he was Honduras anyway with respect to regular products i. think it really depends what your definition is. If you're talking about, let's say I dunno Avocados that have been directly smuggled by the senator. Kyle the risk is probably fairly low, but I think where it's pretty likely that you may have indirectly contributed to cartels. Finances is through the fact that in areas like say Mitchell. Konin Mexico where. Avocados that you eat. The states may come from a lot of the businesses, their pay extortion money to organized crime, and that increases that cost. So Nasdaq Costco, they have to raise the prices and they raised their prices. The retailers in the states have to raise their prices to consumers. So insofar as it's the case that many many farmers, immature con, we'll pay extortion money to the Senate lower towel on. Insofar as it's the case, those farmers ultimately will postles of those extra costs to consumers. The United States, it's highly likely to some of the money you pay for your car in California will find its way back directly into the hands. Hands of Philo cartels I'm afraid. It's something you can never get away from entirely. I. Mean, of course in the business, you can be pretty sure that every sense of the money that you pay your Kane is going definitions, criminal economy and glorifies is making its way back to Mexico to fund the kind of horrible violence that we were talking about earlier. But even in something like the Avocado business, you can't rule out the idea that united a few cents in the dollar that you pay for your avocado may end up in the hands of someone rather unsavory Jeez. You might as well put cocaine and your Guacamole at this rate. Would that FOB. We, it's pretty privileged in Mexico. Yeah. You can say for sure. Yeah, oh. Wow. While the moral don't do drugs. But if you do just make sure that it's fair trade, this has been absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much. Tom NOCCO NOMEX will be linked. Of course in the show notes as well. It's a great read and it goes by quick and There's so many interesting parallels here between the cartels and quote unquote regular business here in the good old USA and the rest of the world. So thank you so much for your time. It's been super interesting. Thank you to tell them. Wayne Right. One from the vault, that book is called Narco. Links to that stuff was always in the website in the show notes, please use our website links. If you buy the book, it does help support the show worksheets for the episode in the show notes transcripts for the episode in the show notes I'm at Jordan Harbinger on both twitter and instagram or just hit me on linked in I'm teaching you how to connect with great people and manage relationships using systems and tiny habits over at our six minute networking course, which is free over at Jordan Harbinger, dot, com slash course, dig that well before you get thirsty. 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Infectious diseases expert Dr. Gregory Poland answers COVID-19 (coronavirus) questions

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Infectious diseases expert Dr. Gregory Poland answers COVID-19 (coronavirus) questions

"Coming up on Mayo Clinic. Qna The last day in the United States the number of cases increased by forty percent or oh new corona virus questions answered by an infectious disease specialist that we are indeed seeing more and more cases and evidence of wider spread community transmission in various parts of the nation. How can you safely isolate? When you're tight quarters. They get their own bedroom. They don't come out of that room without a mass. They're not having dinner face to face with the others in the family. What's the best plan for recovering? If you're diagnosed with the virus get enough. Sleep adequate nutrition copper exercise in this case outdoors. It's really a question about what? What about the people who have symptoms? Most of them can be managed at home. And what's the latest on medicines for people who've contracted cove in nineteen? This is really been the race if you will. Because it's GonNa take a long time to develop there are a number of them in clinical but nothing has been published that would tell us definitively yet answers to these and other covert nineteen questions next on Mayoclinic. Qna hello everyone. I'm Dr Tom and I'm Tracy McRae for another corona virus update. We're joined on the phone by Mayo Clinic Infectious Disease and vaccine expert. Dr Greg Poland Dr Poland. Good to talk to you good to be back and talking with you D'etre colon you suggested in a recent editorial I think a week or so ago that the United Sates really needed to go into what you called suspend mode that. We needed drastic and clear action. Are we there yet? I think we are very much at that. Inflection point. We are right now at a point. Where if we do this we could do. What happened in Korea where we flat in the curve out? If we don't do it it's likely will be more like Italy and see an explosion of cases. We're recording this on Thursday march nineteenth. What has changed since last time? We spoke about a week ago. I think what's happening is that we are indeed seeing more and more cases and evidence of widespread community transmission in various parts of the nation. Now so far I think the CDC said today we've got about ten thousand confirmed cases in the United States. Over one hundred fifty deaths Does that seem like too many or about what you would have expected for now. I think about what we would expect but one thing that's really critical and I think hard for people to understand what we are seeing. Today is a reflection of reality two weeks ago. So what we what we have today will not be what we will see two weeks from now. So in the last day in the United States the number of cases increased by forty percent four. Oh that's why I call this an inflection point so you would expect that number to keep going up and then hopefully the curve would flatten and tell us exactly what that means so if we were to to to true social distancing and go into a suspend mode meaning nothing. Non-essential happens unless it can be done for example by teleworking so where. We don't have people together if we were to do that. We will see cases increase quite a bit for about ten to fourteen days after we institute that Suspend Mode if we don't do that we'll see cases continue to increase and intend to fourteen days. We will see that curve. Go UP THE WAY. A rocket goes up straight. Can you please tell us what does it mean to safely self isolate? And what is it incorrect safe? Isolation look like what self-isolation really gets at is this and it sounds kind of self obvious but if you don't breathe in the virus or touch a contaminated surface and touch your eyes nose or mouth. It is impossible to get infected with this. So the idea behind social distancing but behind Self-isolation is that you take away the opportunity to inadvertently breathe in this virus or to touch a contaminated surface. Let somebody else has touched or coughed or sneezed on so that you don't become infected in essence. What's that what that is doing is what we call. Suppressing the are not that's the reproductive number of the virus right now just to use a round number. It's about two or less if we can suppress to under one meaning that forever infected person. They spread it to one or less people. Then we will see this pandemic abate now. Do we know how long this virus can stay active in the air and also on a surface we do. There are some Nice studies have been done showing that it can last anywhere from two hours to nine days heavily dependent on the inoculation size. That is how much virus on the ambient temperature on the ambient humidity and the amount of exposure to UV light. That's why it's really important that we are trying to get across to people. The idea of washing your hands before you touch your face or eat and disinfecting sanitizing publicly touched surfaces whether that means as Tracy was asking in your home in your workplace or wherever you're studying may be if someone in my house has the virus. What should because isn't it about fifty percent of us are going to catch this virus. Is that what the last odds were as I am? I making that uppers. Is that right. So you're referring Tracy to mathematical modeling studies so so with that proviso okay. The estimates have been as low as forty percent as high as seventy percent of people in the UK and in the US. So what does that mean in a household same thing? It means right now. You want to have social distancing isolation of those that are sick from those that are not. What would that look like? Let's say you had an adult in the home? That was sick. They get their own bedroom. Ideally with an open window. They don't come out of that room without a mask They they're not having dinner face to face with the others in the family. The surfaces that they touch outside of the room and inside of the room are wiped down regularly with a for example Bleach or Lysol type solution. That's what that's what that looks like at the home level you somewhere if someone has the virus. That's a good idea to wear a mask. What if you don't have it even if you're in the same household it does it help to wear a mask? The way that a mask helps you is really kind of twofold one it prevents you from inhaling large respiratory droplets and it is a memory aid to keep your hands off your eyes nose and mouth what it does not prevent is the era socialized virus. Which is an important way in which this virus is transmitted but it tends to be more with cough or as physicians when we do procedures that caused the the virus aerosolize. But what you have to wear a different kind of mass an ninety five but if you do get the virus you should wear a mask. Yes all right now. Are they any medications? That are available. That will that will help. Alleviate the symptoms or speed the recovery if you do get the virus Tom This has really been the race if you will. Because it's GonNa take a long time to develop a vaccine. And so what's the next step? It's either polychlorinated. Or monoclonal antibody therapy. Or it's devising or more importantly repurposing existing antiviral medications to try to help and there have been a lot of them propose. There are a number of them in clinical trials right now but nothing has been published in terms of a randomized clinical trial that would tell us definitively yet. But I'm thinking for symptom treatment and particularly non-steroidal Anti inflammatory drugs. We have heard that you shouldn't be taking Ibuprofen if you have the virus. Yeah so That was the recommendation made by the French government and the W. H. O. I don't happen to share that recommendation because I don't see an evidence base to support that none. The less the preferred medication would be something like Acetaminophen non steroidal particularly and the older adult population. Who are more likely to have symptoms? Have other adverse effects for example water and sodium retention or bleeding risk? The president said he would like to fast track. The antiviral treatments is that possible. Yes the the president has what's called Emergency use authorization privileges so he could determine whether it's an anti viral or a a a therapeutic or a vaccine that we and his advisors say the the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of unfolding not fully tested Therapy and they could. They could release it for that purpose. So we know that older Americans and those with chronic diseases are more at risk of getting the corona virus and then recently we saw a headline that said the World Health Organization warns that some children developed severe or critical disease from Corona vice viruses are. Is there any age group? That's safe I would say. There's there's no age group that's perfectly safe and it's not an issue of more likely to catch the virus. It's an issue of more likely to have symptoms or severe disease. So we know that the older you are the more co morbidity issue have When in the course of the epidemic pandemic you get. The infection makes the difference in in case fatality rate. So it's these numbers are based on populations but when it comes down to the individual you have to look at that in a very individualized way do you think the millennials as they've been accused of are the ones who are actually spreading this disease and they're not really taking the proper precautions as older. Americans are doing. I don't think that they're responsible for spreading anymore disease than anybody else but I do share the concern that they have gotten the message that well. This isn't going to affect me so I go out for example and I'm riding my bike. I see the bars and the restaurants crowded. I see people crowded on on the beaches down here and I'm quite surprised by this and I think it's because you know at that age and didn't we all we kind of thought we were invincible. Right and they may not recognize the risks to not only themselves but others particularly People at higher risk last week we were all being advised on how to talk to our children about corona virus about Kovic nineteen. Would you please tell me how to speak to my aging parent about covert nineteen? Yeah I think it's the same way we wanNA talk to everybody. It's it's facts not fears. It's showing them. What wisdom is which is being informed being appropriately prepared but one still has to go on living life at least in some context. What's the best plan for recovering if you are diagnosed with covert nineteen? Well I think what we need to remember. Is that eighty percent of the population. Who gets this is going to have mild or no symptoms so other than is elation until they are well. There's really nothing else. They need to do. A than what? All of us need to do all the time get enough. Sleep adequate nutrition Proper exercise in this case outdoors or in your garage It's really a question about what? What about the people who have symptoms? Most of them can be managed at home because the only treatment is symptomatic. The ones that are of concern are people who have more severe disease who need medical support or maybe even ventilator Tori or blood pressure support. They have to be hospitalized. So let's talk about testing. I think there are a number of tests available around the country. What are the criteria that you need to meet to to get a test? Yeah those those criteria have are very fluid and in some cases have been suspended now. What does that mean for the medical system? Obviously you can't handle five thousand tests a day at this point Capacity is of Necessity Limited. So what we're trying to do as physicians is to say well. We're going to test. The people who have had exposure to somebody that has a confirmed case that his travel to a high risk area. Those would be or or symptoms that are deteriorating. And where we think well. Maybe this isn't influenza. This could be something else. Those are the appropriate people to be treating right. Now intil such point where we have point of care essays or we grow the capacity enormously in order to really detect. What is that base of the pyramid? Look like how many people are out there who had infection and have recovered or having are infected. But don't know that's a tough one to get your head around. I'm a wannabe infectious. Walk Dr Poland. So here's a question I have for you. What percentage of the population needs to have had the virus built up had the virus recovered from it and built up natural immunity. Before you'll start to see a decline in this virus. That's a great question Tracy and I. I really wish I could give you a quantitative answer. What you're getting at is a concept called herd immunity and we don't know what that number is what we can say is look at the amount of infection that occurred in China and today was the first day so far that they have not reported any cases so the qualitative answer is it has to be very widespread for a very long time before we would get to that point. My other question has to do with SARS. How is this different than the SARS epidemic? Well it's similar in many ways and different than some critical ways. One of the ways in which an SARS was different is that there were super spreaders. We have not yet. I super spreaders with SARS. Covy to another important way. Is that for the most part people with SARS did not transmit it to other people in till they had symptoms very different from this disease where it's becoming apparent. The transmission can occur when people are a symptomatic or pre-symptomatic. So a big difference. The other thing is that we're certainly seeing a lot of severe disease across the nation. This particular virus has a piece on it. Called the asks protein spike protein that is very efficiently adapted to bind with the cellular receptor and causing infection. Probably more so than SARS was which is going to be an issue. What's viral shedding? What does that phrase mean when I hear that in the news? What that means is that somebody is actually if you will shedding the virus meaning that we can detect it in their mucus in their sputum when they'd cough in their nose in their mouth. That is a it saying that the virus is present and able to be shed and transmitted to others. Well let's talk about vaccine briefly. Do you think we'll have a medication to treat it before we have a vaccine to prevent it. I would think probably so Tom. I just think that the regulatory pathway for a vaccine we have to be very slow deliberate. Peer reviewed data evidence before we start injecting a vaccine into people before it's been fully safety tested. Well of course we have to ask you about toilet paper It seems to have become the icon of mass panic. Is there any reason for people to be Hoarding Toilet Paper? I this one. Mystifies me to tell you the truth. I do not understand that. It is not as if this disease regularly causes diarrhea. I mean there are about three to five percent of adults that have diarrhea or GI symptoms. But it is not what I would hoard and you send me a question asking what. What would I stock up on? Yeah well this is a little personal but cheap yellow mustard and dark chalk because I love those two things about domestic travel. Do you think that's appropriate? Would you be afraid to travel domestically? It's not so much afraid as aware that I would be violating the very principle that I'm espousing. Which is when you get onto an airplane with whatever two hundred five hundred other people you are increasing the chance of transmitting that virus to other people who then disembark that plane and let's say there were five hundred of them. Go to five hundred other g graphic locations and you can see how a virus like this could exponentially spread my personal opinion. I know it's disruptive. Is that the way to beat. This is to suspend those activities on on a temporary basis It seems like you're fairly optimistic that we're actually doing that. I think we have started down that road I think. And and here's how I talk to The government and to organizations about it imagine that we actually do head toward the more adverse case scenarios. That are happening. What would we have wanted to do now to unwind that from happening and I know you can go overboard with that? And I know that Particularly economically this is disruptive but I think in view of what we're seeing what we need to do is suspend those activities now. The problem is it doesn't work unless everybody does it. All right. I guess they're clearing the beaches down in Florida. So that maybe yeah so you think the warm weather will help. That's really speculation. Based on what we saw with SARS that started in November of two thousand and two and by July of two thousand and three disappeared. Now there are other factors involved but that is one reason. People are speculating. Along with the fact that the normal for seasonal human corona viruses that circulate every year disappeared during the summer spring timeframe only to reappear. In the fall we'll hope it warms up soon so much great information after Poland. One last question. What is your best advice for people and their families at this point in the pandemic I really think and again I I understand. This is disruptive. I really think that. Let's let's work with each other to to learn good handwashing technique. Let's cover our cough. That is respiratory at Etiquette. And let's learn how to clean our hands or sanitize our hands after touching any look surface and before touching our eyes nose or mouth and then suspending those activities that are non essential going to a movie house or a restaurant is non essential at a time like this so the fate of the virus is in our hands. Why I feel optimistic. Tom Is I. Don't feel like a victim here. I think we know what to do. Even with the limited amount of knowledge that we've gathered in inside of three months. We know those things work if we will do them. As a nation Touch Greg Poland infectious disease vaccine expert from the Mayo Clinic. Thanks so much for being with us. Pleasure mayoclinic. Qna is production of Mayo Clinic News Network and is available wherever you get and subscribe to your favorite podcasts to see a list of all male clinic. Qna podcasts visit news network DOT Mayoclinic Dot Org. Then Click on podcasts. Thanks for listening and be well. We hope you'll offer a review of this and other episodes when the option is available comments and questions can also be sent to Mayo Clinic News Network at Mayo Dot Edu.

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Special Mayo Clinic Q&A episode: Infectious diseases expert Dr. Gregory Poland answers COVID-19 (coronavirus) questions

Mayo Clinic Radio

21:52 min | 10 months ago

Special Mayo Clinic Q&A episode: Infectious diseases expert Dr. Gregory Poland answers COVID-19 (coronavirus) questions

"Coming up on Mayo Clinic. Qna The last day in the United States the number of cases increased by forty percent or oh new corona virus questions answered by an infectious disease specialist that we are indeed seeing more and more cases and evidence of wider spread community transmission in various parts of the nation. How can you safely isolate? When you're tight quarters. They get their own bedroom. They don't come out of that room without a mass. They're not having dinner face to face with the others in the family. What's the best plan for recovering? If you're diagnosed with the virus get enough. Sleep adequate nutrition copper exercise in this case outdoors. It's really a question about what? What about the people who have symptoms? Most of them can be managed at home. And what's the latest on medicines for people who've contracted cove in nineteen? This is really been the race if you will. Because it's GonNa take a long time to develop there are a number of them in clinical but nothing has been published that would tell us definitively yet answers to these and other covert nineteen questions next on Mayoclinic. Qna hello everyone. I'm Dr Tom Shives. And I'm Tracy McRae for another corona virus update. We're joined on the phone by Mayo Clinic Infectious Disease and vaccine expert. Dr Greg Poland Dr Poland. Good to talk to You. Good to be back and talking with you. d'etre Poland. You suggested in a recent editorial I think a week or so ago that the United Sates really needed to go into what you called suspend mode that. We needed drastic and clear action. Are we there yet? I think we are very much at that. Inflection point. We are right now at a point. Where if we do this we could do. What happened in Korea where we flat in the curve out? If we don't do it it's likely will be more like Italy and see an explosion of cases. We're recording this on Thursday march nineteenth. What has changed since last time? We spoke about a week ago. I think what's happening is that we are indeed seeing more and more cases and evidence of widespread community transmission in various parts of the nation. Now so far I think the CDC said today we've got about ten thousand confirmed cases in the United States. Over one hundred fifty deaths Does that seem like too many or about what you would have expected for now. I think about what we would expect but one thing that's really critical and I think hard for people to understand what we are seeing. Today is a reflection of reality two weeks ago. So what we what we have today will not be what we will see two weeks from now. So in the last day in the United States the number of cases increased by forty percent four. Oh that's why I call this an inflection point so you would expect that number to keep going up and then hopefully the curve would flatten and tell us exactly what that means so if we were to to to true social distancing and go into a suspend mode meaning nothing. Non-essential happens unless it can be done for example by teleworking so where. We don't have people together if we were to do that. We will see cases increase quite a bit for about ten to fourteen days after we institute that Suspend Mode if we don't do that we'll see cases continue to increase and intend to fourteen days. We will see that curve. Go UP THE WAY. A rocket goes up straight. Can you please tell us what does it mean to safely self isolate? And what is it incorrect safe? Isolation look like what self-isolation really gets at is this and it sounds kind of self obvious but if you don't breathe in the virus or touch a contaminated surface and touch your eyes nose or mouth. It is impossible to get infected with this. So the idea behind social distancing but behind Self-isolation is that you take away the opportunity to inadvertently breathe in this virus or to touch a contaminated surface. Somebody else has touched or coughed or sneezed on so that you don't become infected in essence. What's that what that is doing is what we call. Suppressing the are not that's the reproductive number of the virus right now just to use a round number. It's about two or less if we can suppress to under one meaning that forever infected person. They spread it to one or less people. Then we will see this pandemic abate now. Do we know how long this virus can stay active in the air and also on a surface we do. There are some Nice studies have been done showing that it can last anywhere from two hours to nine days heavily dependent on the inoculation size. That is how much virus on the ambient temperature on the ambient humidity and the amount of exposure to UV light. That's why it's really important that we are trying to get across to people. The idea of washing your hands before you touch your face or eat and disinfecting sanitizing publicly touched surfaces whether that means as Tracy was asking in your home in your workplace or wherever you're studying may be if someone in my house has the virus. What should because isn't it about fifty percent of us are going to catch this virus. Is that what the last odds were as I am? I making that uppers. Is that right. So you're referring Tracy to mathematical modeling studies so so with that proviso okay. The estimates have been as low as forty percent as high as seventy percent of people in the UK and in the US. So what does that mean in a household same thing? It means right now. You want to have social distancing isolation of those that are sick from those that are not. What would that look like? Let's say you had an adult in the home? That was sick. They get their own bedroom. Ideally with an open window. They don't come out of that room without a mask They they're not having dinner face to face with the others in the family. The surfaces that they touch outside of the room and inside of the room are wiped down regularly with a for example Bleach or Lysol type solution. That's what that's what that looks like at the home level you sort of someone has the virus. That's a good idea to wear a mask. What if you don't have it even if you're in the same household it does it help to wear a mask? The way that a mask helps you is really kind of twofold one it prevents you from inhaling large respiratory droplets and it is a memory aid to keep your hands off your eyes nose and mouth what it does not prevent is the aerosolize virus which is an important way in which this virus is transmitted. But it tends to be more with cough or as physicians when we do procedures that caused the the virus aerosolize. But what you have to wear a different kind of mass an ninety five but if you do get the virus you should wear a mask. Yes all right now. Are they any medications? That are available. That will that will help. Alleviate the symptoms or speed the recovery if you do get the virus Tom This has really been the race if you will. Because it's GonNa take a long time to develop a vaccine. And so what's the next step? It's either polychlorinated. Or monoclonal antibody therapy. Or it's devising or more importantly repurposing existing antiviral medications to try to help and there have been a lot of them propose. There are a number of them in clinical trials right now but nothing has been published in terms of a randomized clinical trial that would tell us definitively yet. But I'm thinking for symptom treatment and particularly non-steroidal Anti inflammatory drugs. We have heard that you shouldn't be taking Ibuprofen if you have the virus. Yeah so um that was the recommendation made by the French government and the W. H. O. I don't happen to share that recommendation because I don't see an evidence base to support that none. The less the preferred medication would be something like acetaminophen. Non steroidal particularly in the older adult population. Who are more likely to have symptoms? Have other adverse effects for example water and sodium retention or bleeding risk? The president said he would like to fast track. The antiviral treatments is that possible. Yes the the president has what's called Emergency use authorization privileges so he could determine whether it's an anti viral or a a a therapeutic or a vaccine that we and his advisors say the the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of unfolding not fully tested Therapy and they could. They could release it for that purpose. So we know that older Americans and those with chronic diseases are more at risk of getting the corona virus and then recently we saw a headline that said the World Health Organization warns that some children developed severe or critical disease from Corona vice viruses are. Is there any age group? That's safe I would say. There's there's no age group that's perfectly safe and it's not an issue of more likely to catch the virus. It's an issue of more likely to have symptoms or severe disease. So we know that the older you are the more co morbidity you have When in the course of the epidemic pandemic you get. The infection makes the difference in in case fatality rate. So it's these numbers are based on populations but when it comes down to the individual you have to look at that in a very individualized way do you think the millennials as they've been accused of are the ones who are actually spreading this disease and they're not really taking the proper precautions as older. Americans are doing. I don't think that they're responsible for spreading anymore disease than anybody else but I do share the concern that they have gotten the message that well. This isn't going to affect me so I go out for example and I'm riding my bike. I see the bars and the restaurants crowded. I see people crowded on on the beaches down here and I'm quite surprised by this and I think it's because you know at that age and didn't we all we kind of thought we were invincible. Right and they may not recognize the risks to not only themselves but others particularly People at higher risk last week we were all being advised on how to talk to our children about corona virus about Kovic nineteen. Would you please tell me how to speak to my aging parent about covert nineteen? Yeah I think it's the same way we wanNA talk to everybody. It's it's facts not fears. It's showing them. What wisdom is which is being informed being appropriately prepared but one still has to go on living life at least in some context. What's the best plan for recovering if you are diagnosed with covert nineteen? Well I think what we need to remember. Is that eighty percent of the population. Who gets this is going to have mild or no symptoms so other than `isolation until they are. Well there's really nothing else. They need to do a than what all of us need to do. All the time get enough. Sleep adequate nutrition Proper exercise in this case outdoors or in your garage It's really a question about what? What about the people who have symptoms? Most of them can be managed at home because the only treatment is symptomatic. The ones that are of concern are people who have more severe disease who need medical support or maybe even ventilator Tori or blood pressure support. They have to be hospitalized. So let's talk about testing. I think there are a number of tests available around the country. What are the criteria that you need to meet to to get a test? Yeah those those criteria have are very fluid and in some cases have been suspended now. What does that mean for the medical system? Obviously you can't handle five thousand tests a day at this point Capacity is of Necessity Limited. So what we're trying to do as physicians is to say well. We're going to test. The people who have had exposure to somebody that has a confirmed case that his travel to a high risk area. Those would be or or symptoms that are deteriorating. And where we think well. Maybe this isn't influenza. This could be something else. Those are the appropriate people to be treating right. Now intil such point where we have point of care essays or we grow the capacity enormously in order to really detect. What is that base of the pyramid? Look like how many people are out there who had infection and have recovered or having are infected. But don't know that's a tough one to get your head around. I'm a wannabe infectious. Walk Dr Poland. So here's a question I have for you. What percentage of the population needs to have had the virus built up? You know had the virus recovered from it and built up natural immunity before you'll start to see a decline in this virus. That's a great question Tracy and I. I really wish I could give you a quantitative answer. What you're getting at is a concept called herd immunity and we don't know what that number is what we can say is look at the amount of infection that occurred in China and today was the first day so far that they have not reported any cases so the qualitative answer is it has to be very widespread for a very long time before we would get to that point. My other question has to do with SARS. How is this different than the SARS epidemic? Well it's similar in many ways and different than some critical ways. One of the ways in which an SARS was different is that there were super spreaders. We have not yet. I super spreaders with SARS. Covy to another important way. Is that for the most part people with SARS did not transmit it to other people in till they had symptoms very different from this disease where it's becoming apparent. The transmission can occur when people are a symptomatic or pre-symptomatic. So a big difference. The other thing is that we're certainly seeing a lot of severe disease across the nation. This particular virus has a piece on it. Called the asks protein spike protein that is very efficiently adapted to bind with the cellular receptor and causing infection. Probably more so than SARS was which is going to be an issue. What's viral shedding? What does that phrase mean when I hear that in the news? What that means is that somebody is actually if you will shedding the virus meaning that we can detect it in their mucus in their sputum when they'd cough in their nose in their mouth. That is a it saying that the virus is present and able to be shed and transmitted to others. Well let's talk about vaccine briefly. Do you think we'll have a medication to treat it before we have a vaccine to prevent it. I would think probably so Tom. I just think that the regulatory pathway for a vaccine we have to be very slow deliberate. Peer reviewed data evidence before we start injecting a vaccine into people before it's been fully safety tested. Well of course we have to ask you about toilet paper It seems to have become the icon of mass panic. Is there any reason for people to be Hoarding Toilet Paper? I this one. Mystifies me to tell you the truth. I do not understand that. It is not as if this disease regularly causes diarrhea. I mean there are about three to five percent of adults that have diarrhea or GI symptoms. But it is not what I would hoard and you send me a question asking what. What would I stock up on? Yeah well this is a little personal but cheap yellow mustard and dark chalk because I love those two things about domestic travel. Do you think that's appropriate? Would you be afraid to travel domestically? It's not so much afraid as aware that I would be violating the very principle that I'm espousing. Which is when you get onto an airplane with whatever two hundred five hundred other people you are increasing the chance of transmitting that virus to other people who then disembark that plane and let's say there were five hundred of them. Go to five hundred other g graphic locations and you can see how a virus like this could exponentially spread my personal opinion. I know it's disruptive. Is that the way to beat. This is to suspend those activities on on a temporary basis It seems like you're fairly optimistic that we're actually doing that. I think we have started down that road I think. And and here's how I talk to The government and to organizations about it imagine that we actually do head toward the more adverse case scenarios. That are happening. What would we have wanted to do now to unwind that from happening and I know you can go overboard with that? And I know that Particularly economically this is disruptive but I think in view of what we're seeing what we need to do is suspend those activities now. The problem is it doesn't work unless everybody does it. All right. I guess they're clearing the beaches down in Florida. So that maybe yeah so you think the warm weather will help. That's really speculation. Based on what we saw with SARS that started in November of two thousand and two and by July of two thousand and three disappeared. Now there are other factors involved but that is one reason. People are speculating. Along with the fact that the normal for seasonal human corona viruses that circulate every year disappeared during the summer spring timeframe only to reappear. In the fall we'll hope it warms up soon so much great information after Poland. One last question. What is your best advice for people and their families at this point in the pandemic I really think and again I I understand. This is disruptive. I really think that. Let's let's work with each other to to learn good handwashing technique. Let's cover our cough. That is respiratory at Etiquette. And let's learn how to clean our hands or sanitize our hands after touching any look surface and before touching our eyes nose or mouth and then suspending those activities that are non essential going to a movie house or a restaurant is non essential at a time like this so the fate of the virus is in our hands. Why I feel optimistic. Tom Is I. Don't feel like a victim here. I think we know what to do. Even with the limited amount of knowledge that we've gathered in inside of three months. We know those things work if we will do them. As a nation Touch Greg Poland infectious disease vaccine expert from the Mayo Clinic. Thanks so much for being with us. Pleasure mayoclinic. Qna is production of Mayo Clinic News Network and is available wherever you get and subscribe to your favorite podcasts to see a list of all male clinic. Qna podcasts visit news network DOT Mayoclinic Dot Org. Then Click on podcasts. Thanks for listening and be well. We hope you'll offer a review of this and other episodes when the option is available comments and questions can also be sent to Mayo Clinic News Network at Mayo Dot Edu.

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Mayo Clinic Q&A: Inflection Point

Mayo Clinic Talks

22:14 min | 10 months ago

Mayo Clinic Q&A: Inflection Point

"If you're looking for special. Cme credits to fulfill controlled substance prescribing requirements we will be re releasing popular mayoclinic talks opioid edition on Thursdays these meet Arezzo Wisconsin and updated Minnesota state guidelines to claim. Cme credit for listening to these episodes visit C. E. Dot Mayo Dot edu slash opioid pc. Coming up on Mayo Clinic. Qna The last day in the United States the number of cases increased by forty percent or a new corona virus questions answered by an infectious disease specialist that we are indeed seeing more and more cases and evidence of widespread community transmission in various parts of the nation. How can you safely isolate when you're entitled quarters? They get their own bedroom. They don't come out of that room without a mask. They're not having dinner face to face with the others in the family. What's the best plan for recovering? If you're diagnosed with the virus get enough. Sleep adequate nutrition copper exercise in this case outdoors. It's really a question about what? What about the people who have symptoms? Most of them can be managed at home. And what's the latest on medicines for people who contracted cove in nineteen? This is really been you know the race if you will because it's GonNa take a long time to develop. There are a number of them in clinical trials but nothing has been published that would tell us definitively yet answers to these and other covert one thousand nine questions next on Mayoclinic. Qna hello everyone. I'm Dr Tom Shy. And I'm Tracy McRae for another corona virus. Update were joined on the phone by Mayo Clinic. Infectious Disease and vaccine. Dr Greg Poland Dr Polin good to talk to you good to be back in talking with you Netra Poland. You suggested in a recent editorial I think a week or so ago that the United States really needed to go into what you call suspend mode that. We needed drastic and clear action. Are we there yet? I think we are very much at that. Inflection point. We are right now at a point. Where if we do this we could do. What happened in Korea? Where we flatten the curve out. If we don't do it it's likely will be more like Italy and see an explosion of cases. We're recording this on Thursday march nineteenth. What has changed since the last time we spoke about a week ago. I think what's happening is that we are indeed seeing more and more cases and evidence of wider spread community transmission in various parts of the nation. Now so far I think the CDC said today we've got about ten thousand confirmed cases in the United States. Over one hundred fifty deaths Does that seem like too many or about what you would have expected for now. I think about what we would expect but one thing that's really critical and I think hard for people to understand what we are seeing. Today is a reflection of reality two weeks ago. So what we expect today will not be what we will see two weeks from now so in the last day in the United States the number of cases increased by forty percent four. Oh that's why I call this an inflection point so you would expect that number to keep going up and then hopefully. The curve would flatten and tell us exactly what that means. So if we were to institute to true social distancing and go into a suspend mode meaning nothing. Non-essential happens unless it can be done for example by teleworking so where. We don't have people together if we were to do that. We will see cases increase quite a bit for about ten to fourteen days after we institute that Suspend Mode if we don't do that we'll see cases continue to increase and intend to fourteen days. We will see that curve. Go UP THE WAY. A rocket goes up straight. Can you please tell us what does it mean to safely self isolate? And what does it incorrect safe? Isolation look like well what self-isolation really gets at is this and it sounds kind of self obvious but if you don't breathe in the virus or touch a contaminated surface and touch your eyes nose or mouth. It is impossible to get infected with this. So the idea behind social distancing but behind self-isolation is that you take away the opportunity to inadvertently breathe in this virus or to touch a contaminated surface that somebody else has touched or coughed or sneezed on so that you don't become infected in essence. What's that what that is doing is what we call. Suppressing the are not that's the reproductive number of the virus right now just to use a round number. It's about two or less if we can suppress to under one meaning that for every one infected person they spread it to one or less people then we will see this pandemic abate now. Do we know how long this virus can stay active in the air and also on a surface we do. There are some nice that have been done Showing that it can last anywhere from two hours to nine days heavily dependent on the unoccupied. Ulum size that is how much virus on the ambient temperature on the ambient humidity and the amount of exposure to UV light. That's why it's really important that we are trying to get across to people. The idea of washing your hands before you touch your face or eat and disinfecting sanitizing publicly touched surfaces whether that means as Tracy was asking in your home in your workplace or wherever you're studying may be if someone in my house has the virus. What should because isn't it about fifty percent of us are going to catch this virus. Is that what the last odds were as I am? I making that upper that right. So you're referring Tracy to mathematical modeling studies so so with that proviso okay. The estimates have been as low as forty percent as high as seventy percent a B bull in the UK and in the US. So what does that mean in a household same thing? It means right now. You want to have social distancing `isolation of those that are sick from those that are not. What would that look like? Let's say you had an adult in the home? That was sick. They get their own bedroom. Ideally with an open window. They don't come out of that room without a mask they. They're not having dinner face to face with the others in the family. The surfaces that they touch outside of the room and inside of the room are wiped down regularly with a for example Bleach or Lysol type solution. That's what that's what that looks like at the home level. If someone has the virus is a good idea to wear a mask what if you don't have it even if you're in the same household it does it help to wear a mask? The way that a mask helps. You is really kind of two. Fold One. It prevents you from inhaling large respiratory droplets and it is a memory aid to keep your hands off your eyes nose and mouth what it does not prevent is the aerosolize virus which is an important way in which this virus is transmitted but it tends to be more with cough or as physicians when we do procedures that cause the virus to be. Aerosolize ask you have to wear a different kind of mass like an end ninety five but if you do get the virus you should wear a mask. Yes all right now. Are they any medications? That are available that will that will help alleviate the symptoms or speed the recovery. If you do get the virus. Tom This has really been you know the race if you will because it's going to take a long time to develop a vaccine and so what's the next step it's polyclinic or monoclonal antibody therapy or it's vising or more importantly repurposing existing antiviral medications to try to help and there have been a lot of them? Propose there are a number of them in clinical trials right now but nothing has been published in terms of a randomized clinical trial that would tell us definitively yet. But I'm thinking for symptom treatment and particularly non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs. We have heard that you shouldn't be taking Ibuprofen if you have a virus. So that was the recommendation made by the French government. And the W. H. O. I don't happen to share that recommendation because I don't see an evidence base to support that none. The less the preferred medication would be something like acetaminophen. Non steroidal particularly in the older adult population. Who are more likely to have symptoms? Have other adverse effects for example water and sodium retention or bleeding risk? The president said he would like to fast track. The antiviral treatments is that possible. Yes the president has what's called Emergency use authorization privileges so he could determine whether it's an antiviral or a a therapeutic or a vaccine that we and his advisors say the the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of an fully not fully tested therapy and they could they could release it for that purpose so we know that older. Americans those with chronic diseases are more at risk of getting the corona virus and then recently we saw a headline that said the World Health Organization warns that some children developed severe or critical disease from Corona virus. Virus is there any age goop? That's safe on. I would say there's there's no age group that's perfectly safe and it's not an issue of more likely to catch the virus. It's an issue of more likely to have symptoms or severe disease. So we know that the older you are the more co morbidity you have a win in the course of the epidemic pandemic you get. The infection makes the difference in in case fatality rate. So it's y you know. These numbers are based on populations. But when it comes down to the individual you have to look at that in a very individualized way do you. Think the millennials as they've been accused of are the ones who are actually spreading this disease and they're not really taking the proper precautions as older. Americans are doing. I don't think that they're responsible for spreading anymore disease than anybody else but I do share the concern that they have gotten the message that well. This isn't going to affect me so we'll go out for example and I'm writing my bike. I see the bars and the restaurants still crowded. I see people crowded on on the beaches down here and I'm quite surprised by this and I think it's because you know at that age and didn't we all we kind of thought we were invincible. And they may not recognize the risk to not only themselves but others particularly people at higher risk last week. We were all being advised on how to talk to our children about Corona virus and about cove in nineteen. Would you please tell me how to speak to my aging parent about Cova Nineteen? Yeah I think it's the same way we wanNA talk to everybody. It's it's facts not fears. It's showing them. What wisdom is which is being informed being appropriately prepared but one still has to go on living life at least in some context. What's the best plan for recovering if you are diagnosed with Colvin Nineteen? Well I think what we need to remember. Is that eighty percent of the population. Who gets this is going to have mild or no symptoms so other than isolation until they are. Well there's really nothing else they need to do a then what all of us need to do. All the time get enough. Sleep adequate nutrition Proper exercise in this case outdoors or in your garage It's really a question about what? What about the people who have symptoms? Most of them can be managed at home because the only treatment is symptomatic. The ones that are of concern are people who have more severe disease who need medical support or maybe even ventilate Ori. Or blood pressure support. They have to be hospitalized. So let's talk about testing. I think there are a number of test available around the country. What are the criteria that you need to meet to to get test yeah? Those criteria have are very fluid and in some cases have been suspended Now what does that mean for the medical system? Obviously you can't handle five thousand tests a day at this point Capacity is of Necessity Limited. So what we're trying to do is physicians is to say well. We're going to test. The people who have had exposure to somebody that has a confirmed case that his traveled to a high risk area. Those would be or or symptoms that are deteriorating. And where we think well. Maybe this isn't influenza. This could be something else. Those are the appropriate people to be treating right now in till such point where we have point of care essays or we grow the capacity enormously in order to really detect. What is that base of the pyramid? Look like how many people are out there who have had infection and have recovered or having are infected. But don't know it that's a tough one to get your head around I'm a wannabe infectious disease. Walk Dr Paul. And so here's a question I have for you. What percentage of the population needs to have had the virus built up? You know had the virus recovered from it and built up natural immunity before you'll start to see a decline in this virus. That's a great question Tracy and I. I really wish I could give you a quantitative answer. What you're getting at is a concept called herd immunity and we don't know what that number is what we can say is look at the amount of infection that occurred in China and today was the first day so far that they have not reported any cases so the qualitative answer is it has to be very widespread or a very long time before we get to that point. My other question has to do with SARS. How is this different than the SARS epidemic? Well it's similar in many ways and different in some ways one of the ways in which an SARS was different is that there were super spreaders. We have not yet identified super spreaders with SARS Kobe to another important way. Is that for the most part people with SARS did not transmit it to other people until they had symptoms berry different from this disease where it's becoming apparent. The transmission can occur when people are ase symptomatic pre-symptoms so a big difference. The other thing is that we're we're certainly seeing a lot of severe disease across the nation. This particular virus has a piece on. It called the asks protein. The spike protein that is very efficiently adapted to bind with the cellular receptor and cause infection. Probably more so than SARS was which is going to be an issue. What's viral shedding? What does that phrase mean when I hear that in the news? What that means is that somebody is actually if you will shutting the virus meaning that we can detect it in their mucus in their sputum when they cough in their nose in their mouth. That is a saying that the viruses present and able to be shed and transmitted to others. Well let's talk about a vaccine briefly. Do you think we'll have a medication to treat it? Before we have a vaccine to prevent it. I would think probably so Tom. I just think that the regulatory pathway for a vaccine we have to be very slow deliberate. Peer reviewed data evidence before we start injecting vaccine into people before. It's been fully safety tested. Well of course we have to ask you about toilet paper. It seems to have become the icon of mass panic. Is there any reason for people to be Hoarding Toilet Paper? This one. Mystifies me to tell you the truth. I do not understand that. It is not as if this disease regularly causes diarrhea. I mean there are about three to five percent of adults that have diarrhea or GI symptoms. But it is not what I would horrid and you send me a question asking what would I stock up on? Yeah well this is a little personal but cheap yellow mustard and dark chocolate because I love those too about domestic travel. Yeah do you think that's appropriate? Would you be afraid to travel domestically? It's not so much afraid as aware that I would be violating the very principle that I'm espousing. Which is when you get onto an airplane with whatever two hundred five hundred other people you are increasing the chance of transmitting the virus to other people who then disembark that plane and let's say there were five hundred of them. Go to five hundred other g graphic locations and you can see how a virus like this could exponentially spread my personal opinion. I know it's disruptive. Is that the way to beat. This is to suspend those activities on on a temporary basis It seems like you're fairly optimistic that we're actually doing that. I think we have started down that road I think. An here's how I talk to the government and to organizations about it imagine that we actually do head toward the the More ADVERSE CASE SCENARIOS. That are happening. What would we have wanted to do now to unwind that from happening and I know you can go overboard with that? And I know that Particularly economically this is disruptive but I think in view of what we're seeing what we need to do is suspend those activities now. The problem is it doesn't work unless everybody does it. All right. I guess they're clearing the beaches down in Florida. So yeah so you think. The warm weather will help That's really speculation. Based on what we saw with SARS that started in November of two thousand and two and by July of two thousand and three disappeared. Now there are other factors involved but that is one reason. People are speculating. Along with the fact that the normal for seasonal human corona viruses that circulate every year disappeared during the summer spring time frame only to reappear. In the fall we'll hope it warms up soon so much great information actor. Poland one last question. What is your best advice for people and their families at this point in the pandemic I really think and again I understand. This is disruptive. I really think that let's let's work with each other to to learn good hand washing technique. Let's cover our cough that respiratory at etiquette and let's learn how to clean our hands or sanitize our hands after touching any look surface and before touching. I are Is knows her mouth. And then suspending those activities that are non essential going to a movie house or a restaurant is non essential at a time like this so the fate of the virus is in our hands is why I feel optimistic Tom. I don't feel like a victim here. I think we know what to do. Even with the limited amount of knowledge that we've gathered in inside of three months. We know those things work if we will do them as a nation Dr Greg Poland Infectious Disease and vaccine expert from the Mayo Clinic. Thanks so much for being with us. Pleasure mayoclinic. Qna is a production of Mayo Clinic News Network and is available wherever you get and subscribe to your favorite podcasts. To see a list of all male clinic. 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Bitch Sesh: A Real Housewives Breakdown

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"And this guy like handle when life gets and it's you hot handle all you need is love and boom marks. The world wrong pin up to the rooftops we want. Soon you The Best Donald read out of drooping. Yes Aw every walk best. God is still happy here. I'm just put together. People Are Holding Coffee Cup. What does like I knew? It's five really relieved to know that it's Alcoho- feel so good. I was like this audiences. This is tired tired but I'm really happy with what I've learned of. Boo cheers meals. Black coffee guys. We're so happy to be here dressed if you've seen our show before we love to wear a house wise outfits yes swirl always in like a Morgan et Sonja Morgan. New York too high crashed jumps a blue and two local jumps. What we said? We're fucking sick of that shitty fabric in our own close tonight and how little dignity now what. It doesn't feel right now. It doesn't have to say I'm very uncomfortable wearing something that actually fits. My Body doesn't feel good but I will say this. We have tried to. We tried to order what we wanted to wear was liens fifty multiple ways. John MM soon we guys. We started that search six months ago. We have paid for so many house items. That never come. We're just GONNA show you a few emails that have going back open forth between US Cynthia Bailey do you next one next one from NPR Bailey. Look at the dress. December four two thousand nineteen nothing. Not a thing that's we unlocking at. AOL Dot Com. Just in case. You WanNa know who's shipping and that she's one hundred because she still has an AOL. Uh Okay let's try. The next one address not found. We paid for those sunglasses. Are they all stored somewhere. Some are in her wine bar. She keeps opening more businesses. When my Cynthia please make good on the purchase orders you cargo bag? Where's my modeling contract? The only person that's Ns something literally overnight delivery was. Oh God bless uh-huh limb curtain cuff. I think I saw her in my ring just being like they get a lot of Lynn. Kurt Kurt Angle. You know who else send us something. Pretty much on time was Gretchen Rossi. Well we talked about that. Slade was hand delivering for a while in the late Greater Orange County area which I appreciate to me two guys. We're going to get into our show but first we have some business to attend two. We sure do like to take it down a little. We've lost someone who has passed. It's not someone we liked. And it's not even someone we know God. No we didn't rest bagged and it's honestly someone I'm terrified of but you know Oh June Diane was saying to me. We were talking about complicated issues with this world as there are many and sometimes we have to hold as she says multiple truths. We're holding multiple truths for this woman. She's horribly homophobic. God bless her she started the franchise and she's why we're here so we'd like to do a little tribute to Miss Vicki Gumbleton. In the only way we felt we could. We could mark the passage of time with her and that is through the changes of her face. I don't know what year were in California. We don't know what year what time would month it is because they're so seasons but we can tell by a a facelift where we are in time and someone else fell another fallen soldier. Yes she went out in kind of a whimper. Tamra Barney any judge gone but forgotten peace. Can I ask you guys sent me about Eddie and I WANNA ask us. Does his jaw open. I've never seen him move has like top about tm. Jay and worried. I'm worried. Did you guys watch that weird live. INSTAGRAM exchange between Cameron. Andy my bet that many people in this audience have jobs and on children and yet we all watch the live feed. Yeah we all saw together we all come off quite coherent and with a little more indignity than I recall of her really. I felt it was like a plead. I felt it was sad and sort of lake. Nick you know how when someone breaks up with you and Andy. I love Andy you know I do but he was like it was almost like he was like. It's out of my hands mistreating it. He was like this. This is happening. It's crazy it's like when Lorne michaels fired me from SNL. He was like this is so crazy really is the maybe that message was like a Rohrschack. Like however you interpret it says something about you but I found it sad and then she started crying at some endpoint but there was no tears. Tara has never shed an actual tier as anyone ever seen that anyway. I don't think I one time I'm calling up something but you know the thing about Tamra is just like she's she's no longer seeing her daughter because of the show and she's like my daughter wants one thing which is for me to get off the show but they won't be getting off the show and it's just too hard conundrum turned out to be like anybody the dinner. Yeah I'm in Spencer's sister Ni. Sydney your daughter's name. It's a great name. I was like some fucked up name name. What's her name? It's a great name. It's the name of a strong warrior who will hurt you. Oh my gosh. Well stumbled upon a little clip. These are just some hot topics for our guests but we stumbled upon a little disturbing clip of Luan Della. LS UPS with making a pretty big gaffe. It's on a cameo. I believe too so here we go. Let's get this teach special. Ed That's fabulous. I Love Love Special Ed because I'm a Jock at heart. I Love Sports. It's hard. It's hard one I heard everyone's understanding ripple pull up. It was like like it. Hit you guys a little later. That's okay ooh I once had delusion was so crazy when I first moved to break. I'm almost I have never said this out loud. I don't know how this is going to go but I was like it's embarrassed but I'm going to do this. I was like I wonder if people are GonNA think I'm Kate Moss. The like you were worried what would you do. I just moved to New York sitting on lots of things and I was like we looked so much like me. This do with scoliosis and her super miles. thiede anybody have that trouble. Didn't that happen once not once but you know what they might not want to approach. Because they knew that I would. It would be off putting to a supermarket minds that after I'd been on one time a woman comes like kind of tentatively up to me in Times Square and Mike here we go. This is just annoying and I see why people don't like it was like I heat this but fine. And she's like Ma'am you have a huge tag on your dress like we have a special guests. I'd like to point out in the audience. Before four. We bring out our very special guy please. A man who's available for photos during or after the show my father. Paul Wilson is and my. I'd like to ask my stab. MARCI KLEIN has generously offered to hold person. I take photo. I'd like to ask the people around you. Did you know you were near Paul Wilson. When you all of them you know? I think my dad has gotten more fame than than you or I. I sure people stop him. One time. One woman stopped me and I was like she was like I love your purse. Okay sure shall we bring our guests please. So we have two guests tonight but I were. I is going to discuss the cities with us. He is incomparable. He's also on Broadway Rodway right now. I'm like we are Broadway adjacent where we belong Lord. Lift us up where we belong. Yes gentlemen running our show today the tact attacked and you guys sing and I took that as a compliment. We force people to watch. Gotcha please welcome he. I don't think there is a greater housewives fan then Mr Gorgeous sweet and lovable Enthusiastic Jerry Oh Wow allow ro. Wow Wow wow just explain to the people listening at home. I'm pretty sure I'm wearing a women's t-shirt it is a women's large. We also have of course them in blue. Why we're here? We have a red sweatshirt of Carroll's last summer that I think is very they also have boots on the ground. Mike's on either side someone could. Oh sorry and a blue. Giovanni I got say guys. This women's t-shirt fits me really. I'm not kidding. Yeah it's tight or it's supposed to be tight. It's a a little loose where it's supposed to be loose. It feels good by the way. It's not a cheapo bitch. Says Shirt you guys. The high quality t-shirt how taking our stuff everything is Unisex. And how low. Oh Gordon and we have to Mike's just so you know ads Ed always before we start with Yuki quick and keep it funny and if you don't know if it's either don't come up high and ask yourself how how drunk you are and ask yourself if it's just enough or too much hi. This is very fast. Barack Obama follows Jennifer from in New Jersey on twitter last night. He's not picked up right off the bat. I gotta get did you. You discover that a friend discovered it and I checked like a minute ago and it's still true but I have so many questions and my brain is broken. Can we all band Dan together to try to get to the bottom of this. Thank you thank you looks. Looks like the ass of a monkey correct. I I mean maybe we'll just get into Jersey. Yes let's get into Jersey. It's actually crazy. I do have to tell you another little on that on that same track over Santa's Paul we get done Madeleine. Albright follows slade. You're kidding Jerry. That one I made up it was like I didn't know which end is up anymore but for a second I was like issue with us. She is I think about cancelled everybody is she jerry. What are your thoughts on New Jersey? Right now Tom This is going to upset you. Jersey has been a little slow for me as of late. What do you guys think so? Now I'm serving and I'm loving it. The most excitement we got was a little hair pulling sess- that happened a few episodes ago the trip to the hamptons eight Hampton. We're in a place where people so now what has what is not a Hampton West. We don't have to pretend well You know I'M A. I'm a big fan of guys. You know that you that really bothers you. That Westhampton thing. I just don't say that I live in Beverly Hills when I live in the valley. I never even been to the Hamptons but I just want everyone to be honest. I don't really care. It's been a little slow. They kept you know there was a little bit of an argument. They kept cutting to like a Little Cup of salsa that spill. It wasn't that big of a deal like he wasn't even with a bowl of salsa. I do appreciate though because the after the fight like it would have rocked me. Marge is like well. I'm going to finish my meal. It's just like I'm a hungry. They are never not cutting the margin. This would be me just being like just like I'm not going to not eat it. I I have to say though. Jerry felt like Jennifer thing was like. Yeah I wanted to get your attention. I threw salsa you like it was no big deal. It's not great though J. I just find it to be a little bit slow. I don't listen I watch a Lotta Bravo Fan. What shows I vacillate between in what I think is the most exciting show of the moment and currently on Bravo? I believe Bandra pump is really what gets canceled soon. It's firing on all cylinders right now. We I think if lost a couple cylinders how are these. He's GonNa get together opposites attract. I WANNA say something back at Jersey. 'cause back to what you were saying about Jennifer is like I think her whole vibe is anytime. She's yelling at someone she's like. I'm trying to help you so she was trying to tell you your cheap because I've tried to help you. Maybe you didn't know which is a strange days absolutely insane to tell someone. They should spend more money on their kids kids birthdays. You don't agree I do. I pointed to be a little insipid these days just to touch. Oh what what is the post to before so sorry I just went to the source. Dot Com came here. Yeah I was like what are you Camille with your pernicious than what's it the SAT. It's just a little slow for me. I talk to poorly Orley about shows because I'm sure it'll turn around and also I know I'm watch what happens. Live two weeks ago and a caller called in and abuse producers in the audience right now a random caller called in super random. And sometimes I think it's maybe some of the producers just to mess with you a little bit and so one of the callers was like do you. Hi this is Jenny from Long Island. D You and your wife ever role play in the bedroom is housewives which is a crazy question. Because if you're GONNA do it's probably not GonNa be characters from Bravo it's going to be a bingers or my wife was an X.. Men Why wouldn't it be the blue and I have relations with the Blue Lady and I get blue all over me or something. You know a real good scenario going in your head so I was like. It's a live show. I had to be quick. GEICO my feet and one of my Improv. Teachers is on the stage from years ago. Everybody and right over there highly suggest the jury in the Times are changing. I keep up with all the improvise that we're getting all my roles. I was a thirty five year old man. And you're in class. I heard he turned around. He defected standby there. Are you in this class but anyway one of callers called in and said to you and your wife role play in the bedroom and if so which Bravo characters are you and I had to think yes and just like Danielle taught me and I said yes and I. I don't want to name names but I like to play someone. Who's maybe just recently been deported and back in the country just a couple of minutes before ice comes uh-huh contrary got the poison all right? Listen not really. That bad. Didn't didn't really make fun of anyone. Okay there wasn't ice reference. I want to apologize through that. But you're doubling down by mentioning it Kinda funny right the talking about social media. I opened up my instagram as I do when I wake up with a cup of coffee and I had been in in an instant story. INSTAGRAM'd at whatever you call it mentioned by Joe Giudice himself. That's right right and I think he called me a fuck twit twit and I'm not kidding. It was one of those stickers. I'm not really that bursting instagram on instagram immigrant. Kids that's cool and he wrote next to it like it was like a sticker that said create don't imitate and I think he thought I was imitating taking him and it was offensive. But I want to say I do hold him in high regard. Why why because he is an interesting character in his the story line has been extremely entertaining for everyone in this room? We have to admit that everyone. I guess smattering of applause to applaud awed for a man whose children had him put away for years. But but I hear you're saying he has provided in that storyline has been the engine of New Jersey for the last five years. Absolutely and by the way. That's I mean to quote gladiator. Are you not entertained. Like wow. That's that's what it's about your right. Thank you professor. Are you not entertained. Are you not entertained. I am entertained but you know who I mostly entertained by is marge's mother large March. I felt for her line. You're marge and this was my favorite part of the episode. WOULD MARCH GOES A win. March herself goes. Who Cares about me? Besides my husband her mom just goes lexi. And it's like you're supposed to say me you're her mother crying. Though in March started crying March senior she was a single mom. I did my best. I was like she. He did do our best but she's still not giving everyone can disagree. I know we're we've all been in therapy. We've all this and my father's even here but I'm not looking into reexcavate and take my parents to task when I'm like. I hope I'm not doing that. It might have just like. Let's let's let's move on the opposite deathbeds being like I remember this slide shows be it it does seem to be a common trope and a lot of these shows. I mean I think some of the best mother daughter story lines have come out of real housewives of Dallas where we met some amazing characters us we we show show I always sound like foghorn Leghorn an ideal her and I apologized everyone. We're not imitators where actors so you're loving okay. What else are you loving right now? You guys don't really touch on it on your show and I have a little bit of a boat to pick with you. But there's there's a little show called below deck watching something. Let me tell you something a a few years ago. A Little Award winning show called Downton Abbey be ended and my wife and I were very upset because that show so at the fuck out of the two of us and then we happened upon this little show called below deck and let me tell you that is Downton Abbey two point. Oh you're right I mean it's the same plot but not only downstairs these days. We're dealing with some real workplace issues that you guys should really be commenting on because as two female powerhouses in Hollywood. It would be great to hear Joe. Billions say this as an anytime. I'm on a plane. I watch some below deck caught up. I'll talk about what you want. Is that we all right. Captain Sandy is going to be a fucking guess. Next month sees booked. Captain tiddly needs to boost the energy. I want more from him. I do believe so and Kate. I love her love. Her love sees a bad ass of bad ass. Who's done something not great with her lips but I love her? So you guys are below deck people. I have to say my favorite right now is vander pump trump. My wife's favorite right now is below deck a household divided. And we go to therapy what we have issues issues with. Okay we're GONNA GET INTO ANDHRA PUMP BUT WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA pause for a second and deal with another show rich. No it's a show. Oh and that we have a performance can only be described as strange. That's about to happen. We touch on a little show called ninety now as you guys might remember. We were going to interview Colty and his mother. DEB Coltan DEB. Let's get Colty DEB's photo up here just so we can just take a look at them roff there. They are city city together as all all mother and son do. So I'm GonNa Bring our guests to is GonNa do an original song about Larissa's someone's got their hand over their up about Loretta and Colty that she wrote leading up to the time we thought we were going to interview deb and Colty and we got a phone call from coltie manager who said and I quote Colty. We haven't been able to find either one of them for a week. They were on the run. Welcome Deanna Chang the Jonah I welcome welcome well Danna tell us the inspiration for again original song. You wrote about Devon Coltie. I'm Loretta suddenly. Take Pen to paper. Okay so you it. Because they were colty was coming on because he actually had a song to promote. Yes anyone know that okay and it was a a some young girl probably from. Vegas is an aspiring singer. And she was like I'm going to use colty and do a video. He was in a music video right and so I was like. Oh Oh hey so they had asked me to be on the show and I was like alright a song to right and songs and now let let me just prep the audience. There's no music rate as mccown. Said people generally put a beat to us. There is not not one for this. So we're going to go straight ACAPELLA. We we are we are Broadway. So no one's judging you jerry. Did you watch ninety day I do. I've been falling behind a little bit as of late. I left off when the young lady moved to Syria with turn new bride guys. It's a buyer's market over there. Have you been zillow in Syria. Am I in trouble for saying that will oh added accordingly. Bring you right up front. Let's get a little spotlight. Perhaps rate here. I Dan this a little close. Say This in a voice memo d if you think you need to be just like let me know or if you just want to go straight streets Adele then you just hope I can remember it if you feel. I need one all right here. We go I did play it for my husband. WHO's ear tonight and listen to it and said you absolutely cannot send that to them like I forget about all voice memo? I really thought and I love you. I true I'm not happening. I was like something's not. That's right. I said this is a morning d. and this is like this is she's drunk she's having a break. Please welcome DNA Chink in her song for music but there is not does not you say okay here. We go Dan and met and nice girl. You must be. It's it's just like when Debbie restarted the song at the grammys just like that area and then a nice girl say it said it was a match sheets do in from Brazil. Brazil looking fly looking snatched from the moment I saw her. My hands was empty is now I thought my Love was enough but she wants lower. Is that smell say Orissa versus. It's not here to make it nice. I said the Orissa sound good. It said it twice missing. Get your home. Mr Hood said it's hotter than in Haiti's no likey. No good is say another being. Thank you say if you were mom. You beam away. Oh shoot so. Debbie's my mom. We've been rolling for years. When Times time for holiday we wipe each other? He is now the risen the spot and she wants it more biggies. She doesn't like the look and think we live like piggy. I said the ricin Colty here to make a nice recipe happy and it creates a be my way. She threw her ring in the tyler. Through down the Bulls dropped a dime on a half cup team in with one call down in Yemen. 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P. dot com slash housewives for thirty percent of your first order threat up dot com slash housewives for an extra thirty percent off today terms apply. What's getting to Bandra Palm van? Yeah let's go. I think it's I'm good. You guys are my comedy heroes but heroines Jerry. But I WANNA say bender pump this last week. I've never laughed harder. I mean look. I Love Mary me and thank you for for all your whole IMDB list. I dare you guys waiting. We you got this show Palley. Somebody helped me out. I'm happy remembered this show. No one saw thank India but I say that part where jets wakes up next to his bride to be and say I don't like I I don't like strip clubs clubs anymore. I can't do it and then it cuts to flashback raining. Footage of him going. ooh seen a motorboat actually happen. You read about them as like porn fantasies as I read porn fantasies fantasies. Quite a bit. But I've never seen it happen in a serious way. That scene was so funny it was the funniest. Yeah and short onto funnier. Show on television. Right you're right you're right. They always were in like the height of comedy. The Golden Age comedy. What do you think about like Dana? And Max and brand that crew. I don't need the young you I like my I want an old and weathered and rode hard and the I have a theory. Hold on everybody hold on a second. I have a theory. It's Bandra pump rules. Everyone can't be married and living in in like cookie cutter homes some single people and you have to have some workplace. That's Walk Bandra pump. And I I totally totally agree. But I don't like who they've given us. Yes I do not like this Max. We deserve better. Someone's yelling in the front row. We deserve better header. We have seen China Sheena okay. I heard a rumor. That scene was demoted in terms of her pay. And and she's fucking doing. The Lord's work is the bridge between the new world in the old world. I was GonNa Make Godfather reference but I won't Pacino's like bringing us into new ushering us in. She's doing taking a lot of the show. The only one actually working there tips. I do like she. No and I think you're right. She is the bridge to tear. beat the that show Tom. I gotTa tell you I root for all those kids I root for us is seventy. He looked better. I will say I was attracted to Jack for a long time and then I wasn't and now I am again and so that is in. His favor was pointed when they brought out that sign for Britney was that pointed or no Adin no listen I'm sure they do that for every Bachelorette party that comes into that place. Don't do it but let me tell you again why. It's the most dramatic show on television. You have Jackson one scene and then you have Britney in another one night. Yeah and then you have Peter in another scene cut on the floor on the cutting room floor. I didn't know Peter was with them on the poor she. Now that's how low their training. She says she had to room with him. Doesn't deserve that. I'm sorry that it doesn't deserve the and also can we talk about the fact that Jack's is pissed that they didn't have a yacht the lab when he called it a barge. He is so funny man. I love him so much. Like I got a genuine Ryan. My car ended it broke down. Car stopped running. So we'll have to get a new car and I'm thinking of getting that Jackson mobile that he has that dodge just so I can be like Ajax. I got that same car pro. Maybe go to. I think we could arrange engine night out with you. And if you really want to kind of strike friendship I I was going to slide into his DMZ. But I didn't want it to be a a little weird I think tax would be. He would be so happy. You know what I do have to say because I've met a few of these celebrities why was in from the valley called black market. It's a great shout out and I was there and I was walking out. Aw and Kristen came up and said hello to me and I had to tell you it was as if Meghan markle herself Buckingham Palace and it was with a buddy of mine. He was like look she left. And he's like dude. Why are you shaking? She's vanderbilt idea about anything. But I do want to say rod wage year. I also want to say Tom I've met them all. I went to Bravo con as as Eighty Cohen himself. I went there by myself. Someone had to watch the kids. I got across the country for Bravo Bravo. Con- yeah methanol photos and everything Jerry. Greatest Yeah but I have to say I mean I know Jackson Super Hot and looking really good and whatever. He's doing that scale I ordered that scale that he was selling online. We are you kidding. I want to look like say the hottest food and he wasn't in last week's episode the Hottest Dune on Bravo right now. Dj James Kennedy is guys. I glad you called him by his Christian name. Dj James Kennedy. It's like when I saw him. It's Zip I saw Paul Newman. I'm not kidding you guys you can make fun of me all you want. That's how dreamy that man is. I dare you any of you to come within a viewpoint of him and not think to yourselves. This is the best looking man Oliver. See for the rest of my life. I don't care I don't care what you say this as we have lost control of everything I mean. I think he's very dreamy and I'm wondering why are are we holding him back from the show. Well listen I think and I'm just throwing this out there. I think maybe right now in this point in his life going to Miami Ame with Jack's is probably not the healthiest place for him to be going to get something between a woman's tits. It's no I think maybe it's not the healthiest place for him in his journey. There is this show. But we're here. It's hard because the worst thing that happened to us on Vander pump his law laws covering and the hard the place to be as a viewer. You know because I want that for her of course but then I'm going to have to ask her to leave. You can't sit with US anymore. ORLA and I know people I love and I love her but it's just Arianna okay when Arianna took that lukewarm shot. Babies people are drinking and I know they were in Miami Ame but it is really crazy Belvedere at that age shrinking. Lukewarm Vodka. Arianna right now. If she's listening I I don't think she is. By the way we reached out to Thomson of all to ask if we could borrow the SIDECAR response pending another one which we ran into our assistance car with. Yeah we have to pay to fix it because they crash that after another. Ll moment was when he was having that argument outside of the Dan Exotic Dancers Club. Hope I said that correctly with that Mustache Sean. I mean that was L. A.. Well I'm sorry but we had more scenes like that Mary Me Casey. Oh a writer for that. Show up for that fucking dead. I'm not offended ater for that show. Thank you Danielle Danielle. Maybe James Great feedback. Thank you the next time. I want to say we all suffer from. I guess I'll call it. Depression linked to isolation. You know. I'm here working in New York. I'm alone a lot of time. This is the most exciting thing that's happened to me on. This is trip New York. When you're everyone in this room has been alone? You guys travel. I'm sure and I think she suffering from a little. I think she's is being isolated and I want to just let her know that we all feel that way. And she's not alone Arjana. Yeah she lives with a man that's it's also on the show. She's never alone you don't think she's maybe going through a little something. Yes I just want to thank Luke Cherry on after listening for you guys. I'm really sorry to interrupt but I told you I was going to bring you a little gift to the show. Oh God I was going to have it delivered and I think it's just good to just bring it out and we're GONNA get to Adam polly who's got show dead on it. We see. We can't wait to see ladies and gentlemen introduced Saint Louis Missouri weighing very spilled hundred and sixty pounds to watch what happens uh-huh the the they do They're not Jerry. Doing Bitch Saas on Saturday night. I go you know what I'm going to the theater with my family I go I wanNA crash so bad. I really don't want them to know. Oh anyway so fucking funny you say suit that. I can't give you any shooting in Miami. According to Kim back we I WANNA bother you. He's GonNa be left. I myself the well. I was taking the subway here and these women came up to me and they go. What can we have a photo? I said. Yeah they go. We're going to go. I think you're a little late. I'd like to give India real bitch session and thank him. I serve Tom. I'm standing. Wow got a real nice crowd here. Pack to the Route I. I'm just someone someone else has been able to monetize the house. We thank you for that. We don't give you any money. Can I ask you about those should you. Can I ask you about Friday Black Friday. Yes we feed Tamra a Fascinating Exhibit Review Camera Rob and it made me think that we should put in everyone's contract if this contract ever doesn't get picked up Andy we'll be doing an exit interview with really nothing. That was really wild and I have to give it up to Tamra thought was the most likeable well. And it's like this is why we love cameras yellow comprehensive. I'd like so much more real than I've seen her in a while. There's no so it was. It was a busy week in the. OC lost upset that her goodbye was kind of like John After Vicki's will that her goodbye. Well we're hoping that her goodbye is yet to come. We would like to wrap her out with the goodbye that she deserved. Show friend not a friend of just bring her back and send her off well for a few surveys packing up cut fitness. Now is she gonNA go full into the body building. Is that where. We're looking good question. I don't love kind of like amazing and heartbreaking. She's like I'm studying for my real estate license like it was all happening Pity literally like press sand on an email like to get real estate. Shock was and then. Let's Osco I always love someone planning for the future as we have to. This isn't GonNa last year. You're good you you ladies look so beautiful land. Normally we wear their products. And we're like we're fucking sick of this. We tried to get the Dan stress or the INFINITI infiniti drafts. I tell you we have sent twenty emails. Wow allow shadow working you. Think of that Reunion Dallas. That was something. We're coming off off some serious reunion. It's a tumultuous time. I've never seen you like that. Yes I order acidic I I I was pushed to the wall and I couldn't take it anymore and I just wanted to let it go because you would be like well I didn't know and I said you know honey you said it a lot and you already knew it had been passed and you basically like kept digging which I appreciate it. Right right on the sea-lanes well lately but will she be joining us or that's TVD VDB. Would you say well she'd be joining again next year. CBD Seaweed coming out leading Salt Lake right now now but you're going to be real real happy with Salt Lake. I saw coming. You're you're GONNA be happy. I'm I'm reading. Those field reports like feel how to some Field Report Association of Beverly Hills on the plane back from Miami. We gotTA season based everyday excited about Gar sell. I got very exciting now. What's going on between Brandy? Denise walks this show. It's all on the screen. It's even on the screen at all on the screen. I yes all the work you're doing now puts home ic but so mic is going to go in directions nations. There's personal story happening with each of the women that that is going to surprise you there. Yes Karen Huber just like there. Are things happening. All of the lash took dom fragrance and wafted it into the audience and people passed out and I it was taken from my carry on on the way here rushing by she just shipped forty five hundred forty five hundred bottles of dom all oppressed these women who we can't get that infinity dress I wear is no longer on. I also wanted to sorry now now. Were these just got hurt. I heard that there was a boots on the ground. Wants of someone who had slept with me and all I wanNA know is it was eerie. Good you listen to the episode and you guys good our. Do you like feedback. The question she said you know. Listen you you don't have to worry about. I've heard of it so you can also trash me as much as you want and I will be fine with a thank you know we do. You WanNa take a put on the guys I backup danced for Lou. Ann Do you the known. How can I make with the guy with the Mohawk moves through literally come Japan by money camp by class? My friends why she everything you would think we were or in the Limo to splash. If anyone knows what she was with her friend and the friend was like in the one was later later later later list later later later later You're here you're here. Thank you. Allah Judge Kelly Don's future stepdaughter. The the accept them up. Paul is my father and that is the worst thing. Come close to the MIC. My Dad is rick. Leventhal is the most embarrassing thing to say that in this room because he does work for Fox News which is terrifying and Kelly and my dad are getting married and talking so sure and Ramona came to my dad's house. Fruit is like Annual Pool Party and my dad had no idea who they were and obviously I did hear and allied was freaking speaking out and I said dad you should talk to Cowley like she's cool like I say hi mom you after. She like comment on this posting. He was like what should I d m her so I gave him advice on how to get at her to like getting married. Well the details details the wedding I am not privy to anyone. Are you upset or you know who so let me just say Kelly has been nothing but amazing and what. My friends are really cool. One of them is here tonight and I love him and he's great and Mike Ramon is a bitch. The why does everyone and I would be happy to tell you all about it. Are you going to go to that soup. Kitchen with Kelly's workers list. Okay all all does your phone off. Her Breasts asked my dad. Get back. I'm going to your show in Atlanta. I bought tickets for my boyfriend's parents. His mom sadly passed away. So I'm GonNa go with his dad so I'm seeing you again. We hear big fan. Can't believe we've been here right now. I literally binge watched or Ben Jalousie the bitch. SESS- podcast for like three days to prepare my boots on the ground. I was a bomber Harmar for New Year's Eve A.. Ramona singer citing literally led her. Cut Me in line as I watched her. Mom uh-huh the implant. Wow I just WANNA say. Don't anybody ever fucking asked me. If this shit is real no cameras out doing i. That's what I love about these women. They give us this in the office then held in the Wild Ramona came by my house to meet Ben. Recently I know she was a planned visit. She was there for forty five minutes on the way out. She looked around and she was like. Oh so this is a really nice apartment taking a moment and then we have to do the tour surprise. You could put that together. Andy how much time do you have. Two minutes I got five more minutes. Okay okay should we show in the theme between you and Palley. Oh Oh you WANNA be shopping. We're going to show you took a week Jersey. No time okay. Can you run out here. The down very he needs to move. WHOA ow? Let's get the chairs out. Andy we were going to do this at the end and this is a the two of them are going to perform for you if very quick. Okay good what is your commentary on. This is Camille grammer and Kelsey grammer grammer. The night of the tonys therein limousine together. I hope you win tonight right. I've run already because if because of it's just the night that everything looks like winning all over again. Oh I thought you were going to say because of me you one already ready because of me in your life well yes yes. These are all true things. I'm just wow. Aw That's seen tossed salad and scrambled eggs. Thank you the great so the hot. I'm hot did we just see. I'm sorry I e gigging now Jerry left Jerry might have to his son the you know he's right there he's now an audience member this is getting stranger and stranger. Aw was right to show the scene but it was so important and you. You guys are so so amazing at it. We need it. No one does it. Better Dr Frazier cranes sorry. Tess noticed Adams shoes. Dare you wear a crop. Danielle those are lime Birkenstock What is happening crazy as sometimes you? We underestimate ourselves. You know it's like we should have asked Andy not these guy This garbage honestly. If I knew that Andy was going to be here I would not have said yes. We knew Andy was going to be. We would not have friendship. We've always yeah. We have one more theme from New Jersey. No we still. You still need to Andy Leave. His microphone is on his back pocket and pulls it out. Let me get my. I'm chuck talking but I'm hovering above my body right now. I'm still not here. Are you guys. Okay are you okay now. This is another scene trained from Jersey two weeks ago. A Theresa will be playing Melissa. You will be playing thank Margaret and we can stand for this and I get to play Danielle the characters cop without a badge. Yeah listen is is. This is so fox. Wait wait wait. What is happening right now? I thought we were having a Nice shopping day to shut it down Melissa. Just because you're not not Margaret. She wants to just clear the air. I mean like left's not ignore the elephant in the womb the cheek clad elephants. What's your problem trout mouth nor have any problem with you? I have nothing to do with you but if you want to do why you tell them who do everything power to make. Sure they don't ever get back together. Note that's not what I said. No he said he's stuck up you Danielle in front of you. He said that you kind of broke them. Fuck it up okay. I you know what that's bullshit. She didn't break them up. She was invested in their state. You put put nothing any fucking head Theresa just told you what I think he cried. He was upset about about his children not talking to him he was publicly disparaged using Daniel children they actually abuse you abuse it. He didn't abuse children off. Why did she put it in her divorce papers? She filed a restraining order on him. Oh okay maybe he did I just it why would you get up to my walk and business. She's pathetic aw you're sick you're pathological. I'm not sick. I'm not sick. Reliable talk to the person. You just missed out on a good person he disparaging ex husband. Would you lie about and you fucked around your bit. You married the fucking contract that came in the house. The House you prostitute fucking in my fucking face get out of my fucking face. You're in my fucking face Theresa McHugh all I have to say continues. You should get pours or bottle of water. And Danielle's headed walks way. Earth did a fucking nerve and fucking hit a fucking you. Is this your right by guys. It's yours is your business. Not This is the store guy talks guy. This is a storm. Talk guys the handful of Margaret stuff stuff into a large lit candle and also turns over smaller Lick Candle next to it. Are you fucking kidding me. Oh my God you all right well now before can even what's your back bitch fucking finishing. Don't you ever fucking company again. You fucking okay. I am excel embarrassed or my friends right now. Sorry Steven Sorry. I'll pay for the how nice it was your your embarrassed. Really you're a Baris- Melissa really really. Yeah yeah yeah this is fucking nuts are you done. You see what she did to me. Yes that's your fucking friend fucking spelled unacceptable. Thank you take you drown rats. Go back in your whole go. Oh okay all right guys. I think this fucking shopping day is over to say the least. Let's go let's go bitch go with your white fucking ponytail. You can't even bleach it anymore. You hit so fucking broken. I just can't help myself anymore. I really can't see ponytail and a If you're looking to change your diet instead of restricting what tweet what if you nourish your body with the healthiest and most Tristesse food with Sakari. You're putting the best in your body so you can feel your best. Sakaria is a nutrition company that focuses casses on overall wellness starting with eat their organic ready to eat. 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Thank you for this game and I know she's like two taller than me. I don't guess right. It's obviously Matt. Welcome thank you. I'm not Andy Cohen. And I'm as disappointed as you and I'm very sorry but this is what you got a whole coming and what I do say so. Many bit sess- people reached out to me to congratulate me and semi warm wishes and immense. I'm talking about the SAG awards. Obviously we won best actress and you were talking about the risks grab heard around the world. The way you speak rewriting remembers where they were when Gen when Brad grab a quick reenactment of just Matt. I'm Brad obviously you're remember to hold on Tate East recording hold on tight coming in. What would that's that's not how it goes rubbed me as if I was going to hit you? Okay we're GONNA hug. We didn't awfully Brad. I'll be Brad Hug me. You walk away. That's all you gotTa do hug me. walkaway because they don't care anymore that's right okay available for me Brown. Wow Oh my God. Wow I'll tell you what I the moment that. He reached out for our wrist. It was a moment that we let him go. I felt so deeply a moment that we let him yes. We've all been there. A lot of people did reach out to you because Matt is such an obsessive Jennifer Aniston Fan. I thought that my sister-in-law for your birthday gave you a clock with her face on. I have basically the agenda here and she gave me a Gen a sticker. That's going on my laptop checkbook. Checks have Jan on checks gen off my calendar Jan this year of Jan.. It's actually here. It's like I make Jensen's it is the genus John's and we're all just living in it now. We have some big shows to talk about this week. We don't have Atlanta Sadly Bravo. Get on with your scheduling. Because I don't know when you're coming commoner going tough for Jennifer. I don't eighty love her so much. Oh aw theresa she's a piece of Sh- gasped back there. When I heard that I said I don't know I just felt for her in that one one scene in the restaurant where she was saying that Joe said like you'll never find anyone or used goods? You know how you feel for them for one second. And that's your whole feeling about them and then next week I'll area for her to be the the nexus of this where all the stories rely around their relationship to her is so sad. You know her. Her kindness draws them to her intellect. She's just you know that like like here's what it is about Teresa you know that she is wound and she's ready to spring any moment but she can't because she'll go to jail so that dichotomy dichotomy of a person who's just like but then like can't like she's just always like and I think that's what makes her interesting. ooh So we're watching the tension between her and the law at all. That's right that's right right at is Banjo. Blessed them have given us so many many storylines. She's been gone for two years and she was still driving the store not show talent shower and I gotta say do as much as I hate to reese I love how much she she loves theresa and needs her so bad she was crying and said I don't want to give up on her. I was like that's friendship. I think Margaret is maybe one of the nicer housewives wives we've ever had. She's sweet but I felt really bad for her in that moment when she was like literally talking talking to her mother and she's like I mean who cares about me so my husband and then her mother mark senior just goes Lexi. I think she wanted her to say okay. Her mother she goes. I can't think of a one is Lexi. Make I I was like isn't Alexi. What's her name's daughter? The hairless cats Dean Dean Dean won a name a Wow I hadn't thought about her question to at one point Theresa's Dad is like mixing a hot pot of something. He lifts his laundry the giant. Yes it was a full octopus is that is his his jeff as he's dropping this giant squid in it's time it's time stamped six thirty. Am this is his more. These up at I like him. What's happening guys? Think of Jackie. I love they're all so so. I find her to be the Heather Bro of Jersey and I don't know I did feel bad for her when she who's crying okay. Everyone's like yeah. We Love Jackie because I believe she's a fan that got on on. This show agree. I was trying to put together what she reminds me of. And it's like if Sarah Paulson played. Kim Can you shoot them. Vote their faces. The merging happened happen now. Please God could Sarah Pulsa play Kim Zal Horror Story New Jersey. It is. Yeah Wow wow now it's just it is shocking for someone to yell at someone who makes someone to feel badly that they didn't spend more on their kids birthday parties. Like Jenn is so so fucking warped it is crazy. I will say the part where and I throw very low key birthday parties again Korea. Marianne but I will say Ed to just throw out an Amazon box lug. It was horrible. We all know that. I think that's question her love for children for sure I will say. Just do would've don't do it. You know what I mean so that would be the white but still felt was crazy of course in New Jersey. I'm feeling about Frankie Junior. I'll tell you who I'm I'm not shipping or invested in Frankie Junior and I'm not invested in that. What invested in is Frankie Junior and Dolores like see them together they have chemistry? Let them be together based on the shirtless. Like they WANNA fuck you other last time. I want to thank our guys. Ah Please Jerry. O'CONNELL's play play on Broadway. Tell US soldiers play a BRA right down. The street and Palley starring in a new Sitcom with France. rusher her Steven Weber of wings. It's called indebted it's on NBC. And when does it air next week on Thursday nine thirty after will and grace thank you thank you I thank you so much. 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Steve, Harvey got a radio show. I was Had My head down. And it was. Thinking of what I wanted to say this morning but. It it can Kind of. I've lived for a long time. and. You know for a long time. You know had a lot of faith in people. You know it's strange too because. You know my mother was Sunday schoolteacher. So of course. Grew up around it knowing. Scriptures and things like that. Not Not a lot of them but you know to was retained but having her as a mother was. was a huge help and understand about faith but even with that. As I grew up. I began to put a lot of faith in people. And you know I figured you know just like everybody else you know man if I could just meet this person or if I could just sit down with that person a man if I could just get this person to hear my ideal. A man. If if this person could him my track or man if I could just get this in the hands of somebody in the no, I was like everybody else. I thought that way you know actually thought that if I could get in a certain situation with a certain person that if a certain person were to meet me. That you know it could change everything for me. Oh man own how wrong I was. Oh, how wrong I was how long did I spend feeling that way and how many of you out there possibly have felt that way before you know like even in relationship, this is the person for me and you know you just lay claim to that. You know not necessarily being a fact, but you just lay claim to it. This is. The person for me? This is the person that I want to spend the rest of my life with you know sometimes, you know we just lay claim the stuff and it's not always what's in our best interests does not always a fact is just what we decided we wanted and I was guilty of that just like anybody else and I spent a lot of years in my life. Putting faith in people. Manufacture. Tell you anything this morning? is to stop putting your faith in people and put your faith in. God. Way Accounts the most. I mean, you can get something out it is see here's the deal about her relationship with God it. It's the same all the time he never changes. His word is one hundred percent absolute. His word doesn't have loopholes in it. None of that. It's this is what it is. He's very clear. Now you can deviate off your end at a bargain. But. It don't stop what he says from being true. But if he asked you to do something if God asks you to to be certain way to do a little something a certain way and you don't do it that way, then you know you could steal possibly get baffour while but don't you understand that his end of the deal stays the same and as long as you're not doing it the way you suppose to the results. Are Not going to be what she wanted to be and I did this for years and years and years and accounted on people and You know got myself in a lot of situations and I got one a dire situation that I'd been for a number of years. But he protected from years prior to that I didn't even know what was going on and then he made it away made me aware of the problem and then man Lord have mercy. I was in a dismal situation and ended the year I was free free from at all but it was a decision I had made that led up to that and in and in going through that process, I had to learn something man I learned a lot about people see if you WANNA learn about your friends if you WanNa learn about your people. People around you get yourself in some trouble. Get yourself in a situation. Oh Man, you start looking around man to feel good real clear when you're in trouble the feel clear out. When you in doubt when you all know what to do when you need help it get real clear on the playing field. Then donut when things is going right it's time for party. We throw in a celebration. We we go do one down here man plenty of people on the field, but but but get yourself in a situation you find out rather quickly that oh? No Oh no. Everybody a here, and that's when I started learning and I I'm telling you I had to start learning this for real until I finally got it to stop putting my faith in people and put automatic where it counts most now is that to say that there are people that you can't trust not it's not what I'm saying I say you can't trust but you dope your faith in him. I got it all riding on what he say. I got it all riding on what she say. Now now oh no I hear you saying. But I'M GONNA keep my own this situation because I hear you saying. But I'm GONNA, take faith mine and instead of putting it in people I'm GonNa put it in God where it counts the most. Because his word is absolute. What he say he going to do he do what? He say he's not going to tolerate he's not going tolerate now you can make it. You can make tolerable for yourself, but he's not going to tolerate it, and that's just to end the land, and so you know I'm I'm wondering how many people out there find themselves in a situation like me a maybe you've gotten yourself in a situation. 'cause you put your faith in some people and now you wound up in a different type of situation now, Mash wedding people at. The only. One that I found when I was in my deep trouble. When me and my wife were in our docker situation was God. Only, one. Was the only one who is just right there. Right there all the way through. Now. Let me explain some tea. Because you have this relationship with God it does not mean it does not mean now that it won't get it won't steal be a situation. You understand. What he will do is protect you during that period. He'll cover you during that period that it is a situation. He will give you the strength to overcome the situation when it turns into a situation. Then when when he cracks it open for you and the sun is bright and shining what he don't want you to do when he gets sunny again to forget about him who was there when it was dark for you see I used to do that to you know I was Oh man I did it I'm telling you right now I did it. But I'm telling you man when I learned a very serious lesson. And I watched some people I thought were friends of mine. Just sorta casually remove themselves from the situation. Then I said okay. Margie looked around we said, okay is just me you and God and we started conducting ourselves accordingly. So when it's sunny for us, we remember God we stay prayerful we keep talking to him. We thank him for the sunshine. We thank him for the dark days that he allowed us to do who allowed us to survive in turn it into sunny days, and we talked to him constantly to protect us a future enemies and that's what the deal is. So if I was everybody I was stopped putting your faith in people and put your trust in God where it really does count the most it really really does you're listening to party morning show. Remember when you didn't have to think about the president every single day, and instead there was someone in that office thought about you the pursued promise. America. This election is all about he'll bring that back Joe Biden knows us. Dignity and most importantly, we know Joe. He's got a plan to bring this country back again by investing in our communities. Josh about jobs good paying jobs, financial stability building wealth for families of color in passing it down to their kids good jobs, education healthcare, and voting rights. It's time we had a president again who respects remembers who he's there to serve the people. We. Don't settle. We aspire we succeed. Confident, we can do this. I'm Joe Biden candidates for president. I, approve this message. Painful. By Biden for president. Ladies and gentlemen. The Steve Harvey. Morning. Show. is about to begin. Ruling. Rolling. Rolling. Hills. Ladies and gentlemen surely strawberry. Morning St Brolin which you baby rolling. love to. Love it. Rolling Baby. Good morning top about that. Gold. Junior Keeled Julius page JIM on an on everybody. and. The King of Pranks, Netflix Tummy and we will carling. On vk. Everybody good day. Way Late, in the week in that. Bag yesterday. We work. I'm hurting out y'all see this team. Oh Care Man. Born. Again. The listen is the first day of September new. month. September what? Yes, To be on this month timber. I. Really. We know what we we lost John Thompson. Georgetown. Yes Home. We losing them. Man This year. Twenty. Twenty. Hearts our hearts I just still heavy. Twin, twenty eight is a piecemeal. If no joke if not for the thanked at heart. Was Crazy. And I kid you not somebody asked me. They said Mr Cabby worship. Of Sir is not even close. Just by twenty twenty. Oh No. Oh No. Oh. No. No. No. I mean I mean, this has been some unique stuff that has happened to quarantine. The virus to social distancing demand issue niks too but it ain't the worst. Happened to you personally oh. Oh absolutely. I had. I've had some dramas in my life mandate extended far beyond the warranty. Has some ugly years me and that's sad to say but it's also true but it's also a testament. To the Strip God can provide you as a person. That and because of it I could face this. challenging time of Kovic and racial injustice and people in the White House I could survive this because my track record just like yours of surviving rough times one hundred percent, and so I face this with a little bit more. Confidence than some people would who haven't had the same experience I guess. All right well said, we'll put coming up at thirty two minutes after the hour get ready for the C L O, the chief love officer, the Clo- right after this you're listening. To morning show. Time for ask the C L O and listen if you want advice from the C. L. O., the chief love officer all you have to submit your questions to Steve. Harvey. F. M. dot com this one is from trae in Tallahassee Steve Says I'm a thirty one year old male engaged to the love of my life. I recently got a great job as. Finance manager at a high end car dealership and my fiance came by the dealership a few weeks ago and she was greeted by several gorgeous black girls that work there and I could tell by her reaction that I was about to have some problems. She asked if the girls always worked in tight dresses in heavy makeup like fool I said, yes. Because sex sells. Now several times a week she asked several times a week. She asked me are we good I must admit that the Women Make My job more enjoyable but I'm committed to my fiance should I worry about her being insecure? Dog You did. Come Oh man, you bought this party on yourself. Why did you say that? Did they always just like dead? Set Golly, I paid him girls no attention I got work to do I'm a finance. Director. Do whatever you think. You do say you'll call. You gotTA give people in Flag Finance Work Right? So you know. Guess what what I angle sees. Yea Sex sale. Baby. They look good down. Thank your. Right. Who? That's make up. I. All right. So just pretend like he didn't even see them. That was the best way to handle that you're saying CEELO. All, right. This one's from coal in Chicago and Kohl's overheard my husband talking on the phone to a female in my house. He has a history of cheating on me but he promised to be faithful in marriage. We've been married for seven months and I was in our basement folding clothes when I decided to call my best friend my cell phone was upstairs. So I Use the home phone. I. Picked up the receiver and my husband was telling a female that he is a lovely wife and he is very happily married. I hung up and when he heard it, he came down to the basement. He said he had to call her to give her closure. Is this a quick and convenient lie or should I be worried about him cheating? Again Steve able to. Give closure right from the house phone. I. Don't closure. You know her numb. These. No. But See. He might of went into that speech when you picked up the phone. That's what I think. I think you're right about that. You know 'cause why's he calling her from the House phone? I'll get that man that'll make no serious live life seven months of marriage lying who she what does he call into Mcginn closure full what? Yes thought men didn't do closure. Okay. So now you know that what you think that would. A BIG FAT lie. Seven months in. But she said it though Steve, she said he has a history of cheating on me. But he promised to be faithful in marriage she said that. So that was a lie to. Everybody doing it. So. What should she do this woman she knew? What she should first of all, you got to trust your instincts for starters. What does it tell them but all it is I'm calling women for closure catch people on the phone all. It's too much. Either you see somebody you ain't what's it going to be? As possible, you could be talking to people just as friends, but you know. You Kate had a track record. Keep playing wreckage now, right. Did you blow your lips. To me. That was. taught. ME. All right now. Okay. So trust your instincts come from. Debt. Rodriguez in. Las Vegas says I'm twenty seven years old with a great girlfriend that loves me dearly she cooks and cleans and gives me money when I'm broke she's affectionate and gives me the best back rubs. She's down from me. No matter what I love her but I'm still not fully committed to our relationship I haven't cheated on her but I want to and fight the urge to I still want to have fun with other girls and I feel like I'm missing out on something I hate to waste my girls time and possibly hurt her I just need more time. My Dad says, the grass is always greener on the other side. ranked. Hail. Yes, you right. Grass ain't always green on the same. We'll see you don't you twenty seven it ain't altro system. You say you got a great girl cooks all back rubs all this here but hit apart don't give you money when you broke. Why she would show as. I. got a great girl but you described somebody you need backwards all the time you can't cook and you ask stay broke. And Clean. What does she end you sloppy? You can't cook you sloppy. She gives you backwards and you broke. Question for me is what does she see in? You Know You dad and told you right but you mess up and blow a good thing messing around but you ain't. Really. What you need to focus on getting yourself together you WanNa mess with some other girls go ahead. But what you are doing is exactly this, you are wasting his girls. And you are going to hurt her 'cause you not gonNa stop wanting what she won't, and until you go over there and scratch that each it's only cracking. Ready to sit down. All right. Thank you C.. L.. O.. Take heed guys all coming up. Next is the nephew in the building with run that prank back right. After this, you're listening to Steve Harvey Morning Show. Coming up at the top of the hour. Messina standing by with today's national news plus and other entertainment news. Some sad news from the College Sports World Legend, Terry Legendary Georgetown Coach George Thompson Junior passed away. Yeah. That was really sad He was seventy eight years old. We'll talk about that plus in celebrity wedding news see Nash has married again and she introduced her wife to the world will talk about all of these stories at the top of the hour. But right now, the nephew is here with run that prank back naff what you got for us. I need a reference. You know does how you do it when you when you WanNa, do it by somebody reference. A reference. So that's yeah. That's how we don't reference. Let's go. Come on. Hello. I'm trying to, I'm trying to re Scotty please. Yeah. Yeah. Without a Scotty, how you doing man I'm trying to actually get a a reference for for Monica Monica. Monica my ex wife. Yeah I'm trying to get a reference on her possible. Okay. So what's the apply for a job? He's trying to go to work now No. This reference is actually put like a relationship. A relationship. Hold on hold on wait a minute relationship you talk about the job relationship. No no no. No see what does. That I'm from actually started dating Monica on the regular and I'm calling you for reference Whoa Whoa Whoa. Wait who who did you say anything then how you get my? Money. Philip Man, my name's Phil I got your number Monica phone take this field. You don't need a call me with whatever you and Monica got going on. Yeah. I need to go to deal with that? No, no, no, no no no I know. Him Yeah, what I'm trying to say is is that I figured if I could get a reference and figure out what kind of person she is and get you know kind of get a background. So you can kind of tell me what kind of person a good point so bad qualities. The whole see you might say me sometime from being in a long relationship if I know what to look for what's good what's bad say home but but I know I know I'm not listening to this I was. Mad twilly ain't nobody give me no ready. So don't call me asking for no like that. If you got number for Monica U. N. Monica needed forget my okay Hola like I say man I'm just trying to figure out hold up I'm trying to figure out the good qualities and bad quite like you know she won't to cook you know Goud in the bedroom you know what I'm saying I'm trying to I'm trying to just know what to look for though that's man I ain't trying to come in May and. I just can't believe calling another. So I don't have no more only thing I have to deal with if my tab you know what I'm saying and you definitely don't need to be around. Say I got to go. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you give me a good reference on it? That's all I'm trying to get. The referee is don't die number ever game and when I talked to Monica being hurt but hey, you ain't gonNa have to worry about a relationship with my you know what I'm saying okay. Okay. All up man. Let me going to break this to you fred about me and bobby could end date it but last year off and on we just finished against. Who hold up do the last year man this Guy Divorce a few months ago. Oh. So you. Who must have messed up my? I. y'All. have nothing to do with that. Also you. Say May why don't you sly the slick back onto that? That you sleep for one they got I can slide right? Don't back under the rock talking about but what I'm trying to ask you this, right? Yeah Man. Can you just give brotherston references man's? Look out for fans. For some, they'll give you is when you don't have enough money when she wants that two hundred dollars back don't call me for that. She needs more money for this. Oh, well, maybe I just gave you. What don't be putting a or you pull up your? Account Ain't no money. That's the reference you. Need to hear from them especially if you. was. What. We was married to married Pola referencing. I'm doing fine. I'M GONNA call Monica and I tracked down. Gives you a reference there? Yeah. Yeah. I. Get you referenced in face to face I know trying to handle the case in which you ban you must've been trying to have some. Okay Okay One more question man. I Like I say I, just wonder if you things and know some background on A. You you out of questions boy you outta questions. Okay. But I didn't need to know this because I want everything. I want everything to run smoothly and I wanted us to have a good understanding. Do you have a problem? Man Would Joe girl calling me daddy what? Did you just say you must be. Gone. Down don't. Comment. About. This is about. What? I Fan 'cause you're bad. You miss the bag you. Know but not only you gotTA. I'm just asking. Do you manage? She called me? That's how. They cannot come out to. You know what I'm saying say May. And I, I don't have time. I'm Bokhara. And I'm GonNa get you yeah I'm going to get you out of you. Let me back Scottie, Scottie God. I'm telling he's looking why. You. Not. Doing nothing to me home I wanNA, say Scott Scott listened to me. I want to say this. This is nephew Tommy from the Steve Harvey morning show brother Brian got. Me Playing phone oh you. Mainly to Scott it's got it. This is Tami man nephew Tommy from the Steve Harvey Morning Show your brother Brian's got the prank phone call you say May. I'm about to go. Hey. Do I go ballistic over here man? Brian got one coming though. Man. Man. Yeah. Hey. Hey Hey Tommy Man Well. I'm glad you playing it man. About my little girl. No it's it's going to be on his world man don't. Gushing. Good. Hey Man one more day man. What is the bad is I mean the bad is radio show in the land. May and the Steve Harvey Morning. Come on. That I'm sorry just. Give it to me. To. Somebody Harry. Wouldn't that be good though in your relationships, you have a reference, you know what you ready to go into you can talk to them. About just what you should do that yourself. How much? I WANNA know I. WanNa know. Talking here by. All right coming. Thank you for you coming. Coming in the top of the hour entertainment and National News Right. After this, you're listening to Steve Harvey Morning Show, let's talk about brushing our teeth seventy, five percent of US use old worn out bristles that are any effective and even more people forget to floss daily good health starts with good habits. Quip makes it easy by delivering all the oral carry central's. You need to brush and floss better. 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Correct. Allison wondered whether them do man out. Alan Iverson the. What. What Practice I mean. We're talking about. Him He didn't need to go not Tom. Real brief you met him once Steve. Real. Good Guy. He Was Godfather coaching. Young. Black Coaches when you take them to the title that's why he saw so many like Dick Cheney owes him a debt of gratitude do to coach at Arkansas. All due to speak about. John. Thompson man. He. He put black coaching on the map when he won that NCWA. They man hours of Temple Cheney The razorback. What's his boy's name with the Mustache? Can't think of looking at him big thick Mush Dash Apo yes. Yeah. Coast off. That's when Todd Day was hoping back in it they. Understand who he made no. Not yet. Junior let me taste Selma Dick Cheney s was our. Back. Give Back Oh deed hassle far back. To say that to the playoffs. To make how to make them get back on defense is. BRACCO, de fisherhouse, Ofra black hair. S Okay that's Yeah. But let me tell you what they got. There is back on the. Urgency was there. Yeah I heard him do it. So I'm not making it up ain't a joke that's how he but Thompson was. The leader, his son took over in his footsteps to. But that boys Graham he puts a lot of boys Kennedy Smith pay tribute to were even know Kenny went to North Carolina. Our condolences going to the John Thompson family for sure. Great switching gears now and other celebrity wedding news our girl. We know her new Nash. Actress comedian most recently, we know are from Klaus got married again she introduced her wife to the world needs the announced the marriage and social media. A. Why Yes. I did. Okay. Marriage. Social media saying she's now Mrs Carol Denise Bet Sneezy filed for divorce from her husband J.. Tucker. Back in December. So we got to say congratulations congratulations pc Nash and her wife Singer Jessica abets their. Noble make you happy all right Steve Time now for San the gentleman say true. And everybody in? Yes. He we go. got a lot of news to tell you when someone just get a little bit deeper into authorities say that a man who was fatally shot in Portland Oregon the other night during clashes between anti-racists and pro-police supporters is identified as Aaron Jay Danielson Danielson. Reportedly, a member of the right wing grew patriots prayer though police are still looking into whether his. Death was directly linked to some earlier clashes between a caravan of trump's supporters, and some counter protests is White House spokesman Kelly mcenaney claims that trump supporters will quote good Americans who wanted to protest peacefully when asked if the president would condemn the murders in Kenosha Wisconsin of two anti-racist demonstrators allegedly by white team from Illinois after police. Shot a Jacob Blake in the back paralyzing mcenaney. said the president had declined to weigh in but it's changed he has weighed in. He's now saying that the white teenager who shot three men and total was defending himself president trump is scheduled to visit Kenosha Wisconsin later today even though the mayor there and the Governor Wisconsin do not think it's the best time for him to come there Vice President Biden meanwhile says it while trump may. Quote believe that mouthing the words law and order makes him strong his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an arm Alicia in this country shows how weak he is. That's a quote in Biden as is anybody think that's going to be less violence in America. If Donald trump is elected since racial violence, cove nineteen health and economic strife have all occurred under his watch. According to the latest tally by John Hopkins University more the six million Americans have now been infected with the corona. Aid One, hundred, eighty, three thousand US residents have died, one, hundred, eighty, three thousand, and if that's not a bad enough experts say that while six million of confirmed number of cases that may be an undercount epidemiologists estimate that tens of millions more are not recorded because for every one reported case they say they have been at least ten other infections. Hurricane Laura toppled controversial confederate monument that was situated in the heart of downtown Lake Charles. Only a few weeks after a jury voted to keep that particular Miami in place as you heard moments go legendary Georgetown University basketball coach John Thompson has died as a player John Thompson. One two NBA titles at the Boston Celtics at Georgetown. He coached the Hoyas for nearly three decades leading them to three final four appearances and in one thousand, nine, hundred, four, he became the first black head coach to win the NWC the NCW National Chant Championship Thompson coached and mentored such greatest Patrick Ewing Allen Allen Iverson as you heard, he was seventy eight years old and finally. Actress DC Nash Yes, she got married yesterday to singer Jessica Betts both women kept their relationship. Quiet NUCCI, was divorced from a guy named Jason Taylor in March I. Guess You could say this is her coming out as well. Now back to the Steve. Harvey, Morning Show you're listening to your Show. All right. What's going on in political news yesterday Joe Biden accused president trump of sowing chaos amid protests. Did you guys see trump's tweet when he call the Mayor of Portland? Full Really Really are as or yeah because he asked you not to come to the city because you just incite people and make it worse because you're the divider in chief also president trump will be headed to Kenosha Wisconsin today to meet with law enforcement despite the governor's opposition what Tommy but they don't want him over there. A comment. Yeah. So What if you? They don't want you. What is your going over there? Too So That's Never Essentially, what is you has to say if they don't want you over there. Meeting with law enforcement meeting with people that want to meet with him I. The president is going to Kenosha today to meet with law enforcement despite the governor's opposition and trump will not meet with the family of Jacob Blake. Also, the president refuses to condemn the white seventeen year old who killed two people and injured a third during the kenosha protests. Here we go with that again, I mean two systems of justice in the US. Because they let the seventeen year old walked down the street with his. It's really array with the president said about it to. You know I mean a lot of people are looking at this. You know he was afraid to lose his life. Look Man. First of all, you don't have the right to take a guard down the street and kill somebody just like police don't for when this president won't. Won't stand up and take a stand on that type of violence. You know exactly who were dealing with he's he's trying to win the election by scaring people. Now, what Joe Biden has done that has been brilliant. Is Joe Biden Says No, it won't be a worse America. If I'm president, it can't get any worse and stop saying what what happened. If I'm president all the buildings I I could deal police brutality but I, condemn rioting and looting and all this is happening on president. Trump's watch. He has created because instead of trying to heal people, he's constantly spewing out divisive rhetoric. Renting your all and he's not even old enough to carry. A weapon like that, right? He's a minor. Law Evening Walking around carrying. And you won't even condemn him for that. Let alone go because he's a trump supporter. His won't be voting issue promise hard vocal dot org to register. Please only sixty two days left until November third. Oh. Did you hear what you say both? Well Coming up in thirty four minutes after the hour we'll talk more about voting right after this you're listening to. Morning Show. All right we can't say it enough sixty two days until November third. We want you to go right now and get registered to vote at vote. Dot Org. T to get date. So you know when to vote early in. This. That's paramount. Okay we got. This is now. Stone this is not a drill. If black get to the old. I've been watching NBA players bag everybody. Baseball players big watching all the news commentators everybody listen to me. If, you want everybody to know that black lives matter. Then you have to make sure that black lives count. And you've got to count by Philly now CICIS and you've got to count by voting, you can stop being the faceless crowd if you want. To be considered as as we matter, we matter when we count. You've if you won't black last really matter back lies have to Count Day Count in the census they count in the voting polls. If you go to the polls in massive numbers to make the statement that you need to make in this election, you can change the face of this country goes for years to come, and you will send a message to the man in the White House that we are no longer accepting this type of behavior because if we won't racial, Justice UK. Have a person in the White House today trying to pass out known. No Damn since death, right we have to we can't keep screaming for racial injustice air police brutality when the president supports both. He's support police brutality every time you say black lives matter he say blue lives matter. Stop acting like this thing called justice is packed. Where we get a big piece, you get less. We just want the same thing we want to eat from the same pie everybody else eating fromm. Chances are we made the pie we cooked it. We got get to the polls. We have to do our parts. We only have one vote, but use it like Steve said, make account. Do we have one choice at the polls? We have Joe Biden Income Louis Harris listen to me. Wit. Stop saying, what is he do for us ask yourself this question to do doesn't that now? Not only what has he done for you? What has he done to you? See Ya trip man would all this what they do for us. Ain't nobody GonNa do nothing fun you per se point blink. Somebody's sure is doing something to you though. You know what blows me away to win. When as looting going on, they blame on black lives matter peaceful protesters. But? Not when there is a shooting in a school. You don't blame that on NRA y'all you don't you don't you don't do that. Hail now, you're not doing that and you know Tommy caused taken away. Is One of the largest lobbyists in the United States. Yes save. More money? GONES is Prophet. Man Who you think I don't know. God's prophet this Prophet in good. And they accomplish two things in who they keep crime high. They keep the prison population fool. And they killing off A. Portion of a wonderful generation that can be contributed and making contributions to this world and society we live in. See anybody trying to stop poverty. Caused poverty leads to crime crime leads to mow inmates day making money off it ns moment in. Labor. Come on we got to get. Systematic racism. Then, the police don't about us. They just killing US man in the middle of black lives matter more some momentous. Some more shootings 'cause they don't care for them to share on no consequences nothing happens to them so they continue to do it in here. If, we vote though yeah, that's true. We go. We go. We can change it. We certainly can. All right. We're going to move on here and switch gears with the nephew and his prank. Prank. Phone call almost said. COMB. FAV. Co.. Yeah. Daddy doing comb files. Coming up right after this you're listening to. Be Morning Show. Coming up at the top of the hour right about four minutes after it's my strawberry letter for today, the subject picked me. Or Your Momma Okay pick me or your Mama Mama Mama. Mama. We'll get to that. But right now the nephew is here for today's prank phone call. What do you have for us today NAFF? Love excetera. Oh. That's that that's that E. CETERA. I don't use etc. Lots of what I do I try to expound on it. except. E TCP I don't know how to spell it, but you know what? I'm talking to let's go. Hello Hello I'm trying to reach Kaelin Kaelin. now see now here, right now who speaking this is Dr elbrick listen I was given a car you able to leave a message for for me yes. Yeah. Okay. Would you let her know her sessions will be on Wednesdays at seven third sessions with with says about session well, actually she signed up for class an eight week class and it's every Wednesday night at seven thirty. Okay. What what classes are you talking about? What kind of class? This is love, etc. You heard of us now. Okay. Well, let me Kinda give you a little briefing here. Kaelin actually came in and filled out to take some classes and we're. Love etc. So we teach different things what is it like a seminar or something? Well, you we teach four play intimacy, sensual massages, and things like that and I I was actually here when she came and filled out the paperwork she said, she wanted to spruce up I love live with a husband and I are you are you her husband yeah? Yeah I'm I'm a husband. But when I'm saying is is like a like a joint thing I'm not supposed to be something no, no, no, no no this is actually heard wanting to actually I. I'm a I. If you don't know about it, I'm assuming she wants to surprise. You show you some different things when when she finishes our sessions. So when did winced wendy she come in like she came in with where you're located first of all. Okay. Well, she actually came in a couple of weeks ago and filled out the paperwork we in the downtown area she filled out she said, she was very excited. She wanted to do some different things where a husband we just asked us she gets here a little earlier probably fifteen minutes early. So she can shower and put a robe on and then we can. We can start class. Oh well, we'll. We'll shower shower roles with that was that for I mean you're. Not Not upset about this. All right now I mean how? Donald. Probably you know us we mean, we know I mean married couple you know what? I mean. So anything spice slice of the marriage but you know as far as me not being involved her going out there by so and you tell them about taking a bath robe and all other stuff man she don't need to be there for no for no mess like that man well, no, no. Sorry it's like I. Mean it's it's basically a class what people get in touch with their with their sensitive side and you get to actually you know you learn about four play what what you're. Talking about eight weeks though eight we. Serve. You must've. How? y'All even eight weeks not much. It's only one night a week. It's only on Wednesday so really only have eight sessions eight sess. Exactly. Okay. So why why does she have to have a role though I mean watching that why she did not showing up at work or whatever will you have to bring your roof? So everyone showers and then they put their row bond and we we actually coached them through. Here's how four goes. Here's the intimacy. Here's sensual massaging. No, no no fan you get. You get to ask you is you really not explaining yourself? When though like what are you do like? Classroom said if I'm in the class I'm taking a class is nobody touching me ain't no co coming off you know by taking groups our channel would you would you sound like? You're. Nothing nothing like that at all, but we do come in contact with our sensual side. Now see we'll have a partner in class. She'll deal with that one partner. It's not until the fourth session that we really get into some strong physical. Talking about what are you talking about your partner you're talking about another woman teammates on what you're talking about another do everyone has opposite sex partners. Yeah. You gotta be. So. Why even why are you even calling me with this? You just you have to understand I wasn't calling you. I was trying to reach Miss Kaylin I. don't care who you trying to reach man you call in my house talking about my wife from all important isn't it don't get physical to the four that's in a carrying link will be no physical at all. Basically, your wife is trying to surprise you good thing. Now hold on just hold. Down Real quick hold on wait wait. What are you? What are you doing I'm calling my why that's what I'm. Trying to is not good for you to call and she wants to surprise you. You. I WANNA handle you hold on just how. Good through you call me back when you message call me back at the House as soon as you get her. Yeah. She wants to surprise you well, we got surprised already. All right the first of all single becoming down the all little sessions I and when you say That again. Well, Love Etcetera in the downtown area. How much this thing? The cost? Anyway. Well, like I said, she signed up for eight sessions. It's it's one session per week. It's one hundred dollars each sexists he's already paid eight hundred dollars Sir. You what she's paying full to do all eight session man I know. Paid. Eight hundred dollars a y'all she's starting this coming. Wednesday while beat him until you that right now and I do you got any money you my money down there you better be coming back with it. I'm sorry. I'll tell y'all downtown I work downtown. So guess what I will be there tomorrow to get my money you love etcetera is non-refundable when people sign up for these class, you can't change your mind like that man that's paperwork. Don't know tell me about what's not refundable refundable was not refundable if I feel what I'm having my money back. Would make you what you feel a little bit more comfortable. If I was her partner during the sessions you married. So yes, I you. Okay. So then we have a session with your Wa do you with your wife my wife my wife works with other men in the sections fit. Not Get wiped a lot of good you know whatever and then we're GONNA see how They're. Going to go back and forth we. GonNa come down here. And I'm a Golfer with my when my business and then they'll call this house no more. Pick a name little legend whatever angle be no classes player you know we're non refundable I keep telling you that. You think you raising your voice it. I'm I'm talking to you. I keep telling you we're non refundable. The Old Sammy is not refundable. She goes. No see has. Every right. Right but we've already partnered her we have a partner for her. Partner Department use your wife. Crippling. Wife into. into. into. The problem is you maybe you're not doing what you need to be doing. Coming down their moral come you. Don't be. please. What am I supposed to tell I? Don't? You partner. Only partner see guy we parted her with nephew Tommy from the Steve Harvey Morning Show. Man y'all. y'All. y'All plays. Tom. Tom This is it doesn't have you timing to me. Man. Up Play time to man. WE'VE GOT A. Long Man. As you come out to talk to and what's the bad is radio show when? Steve Harvey morning so bad. Somebody. Goes blank you up man. You know more partly is. Coming down to Hey, I'll tell you what Mitch. What partner would show way about a year knock her body. See how you like that impression even had no male pod gave you. So. Wife to be depart. She's already who would. Get White. King was. Through. Eight hundred. Eight hundred I'll. Be. You best believe you give me mind. I, promise you that partner. Nephew yes. Somebody has to somebody has to call these people. Came up ranks. All right. Well, thank you nephew coming up next. It's my strawberry letter of the subject is take me. Are Your Mama. Okay. WE'RE GONNA get into it right after this you're listening to. Morning Show. 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We have had a great relationship until recently when his mother moved to the city we live in since then we've been fussing more and I'm really starting to dislike him his true colors are showing all because of his mother we cannot. Move on with our lives because his mother is stuck on her son not being with her whenever he is extra time in his schedule. She manipulates him into thinking. She's going to die alone one day because he doesn't see her daily. I have made him realize that she wasn't complaining as much when she didn't live this close to us he told his mother that. We're finally going to get married and she told him that if he marries me, she will not be around to watch it go down I do not know when things change between his mother and I because we've always been cordial and respectful to each other. It makes me wonder if my man is told her something about me, he says, he would never tell. Her anything negative about me because he knows how she is this man loves his Mama and he loves me. So I'm stuck in the middle always the one trying to smooth things over with his mom while she dotes on her son and overlooks me I'm not trying to come between a mom and a son. But come on we are grown people we aren't married. We aren't married. So I can leave him at any time and he knows I'm ready to call it quits and he begged me to give him one. Give him more time to talk to mom should I leave him alone now and move on with my life or should I go? Through with the wedding and just avoid his nasty acting Momma. After ten years I say it's time to blink or get off the pot anyway I mean, I. Just say, don't let this forty four year old Mama's boy because that's what it is. have any more of your time if he doesn't put you first now before he marries you, what do you think marriage is going to be like with him? Every time Mama calls. He's GonNa, leave you and run right over there to be with Mama. You say this man loves you will I gotTa say this love would put you I. Love with stand up to his mama on your behalf. Love would not let his mom manipulate him love would not have to have you stuck in the middle. You would be up front. You would be out front where you belong. And now I don't think you should go through with the wedding and just avoid his nasty acting Mama you deserve way better and it's time. Now for the boy, the son the Mama's boy to to let his mom know exactly how he feels about you and you know respectfully, of course, it's his mom but he's got to let her know that she. Can't do this. I. Mean Like you say she wasn't doing it when she didn't live in the same city now she is being very manipulative. It reminds me of Jefferson's TV show Georgia's mom and his mom, and we the that dynamic. So No don't let this go down if you feel like you need to get out of there because he's treating you. Not like the Queen, you are then you got to go Steve. Really ridiculous letter CANTU in way. Because it's so many things you forty four year old man Union early Thirties. been dating a man for ten years. What is going? got a great relationship until his Mama moved to the city we live in Oh hail came. Now y'all fussing. which I hail came to town. He. Came to town. Now here's A. His true colors a show on because of his mother here's what she says. We cannot move on with our lives because his mother stuck on her son not being with her whenever he has extra time in his. Why? Does his Mama No, his schedule. Let's start. there. So now. The moment he got, he got to give to her. And then she always told my die alone one day because he don't see her daily. Cool if you could see Mama daily, I wish I could see my. My mom was living. A every day. You know which had some more time with I'll admit tab every day. Know you. You know if you was twelve I saw my mom maybe Dallas twelve. I was at house. I. Saw every day Dow. Sixteenth right up until I was seventeen and mood up once I moved on never really could go back to my mom and Dad House. Now you Shirley's absolutely correct. You gotTA models on your hands. and. Seemed like a no way around it. Now. He told his mother that Y'all was finally getting married. She told him if he married me, she would not be around and watch it go what that means. She di-. She GonNa move back out of town she ain't coming to to win she go get sick. What do I mean? I don't even know what that means. I. Don't. Why yeah. She's became Mary you. The Boy Kate Mary. ARIGHT Steve Hang on. We'll have our two of response coming up at twenty three minutes after the hour today strawberry letter subject pick me or your Momma. We'll get back into it right after this. You're listening to leave party morning show. Steve Come on let's recap today strawberry letter subject pick me. Are Your Mama. Forty four year old man she been dating for ten years. That's tricky right there. Lean is true colors came out. When his mother moved into the city And she got demand thinking that you know. It because if you're not Spending, all your extra time with your Momma is a problem. Well it is a problem because nobody WANNA. Do that not every damn waking minute you know, and then all we got down to he told his mother that we was going to get married. She told him if she marries me that she will not be around and watch it go down data didn't understand You die are you going to lead town? Are you sick about it? You just saint coming into the wed.. Whatever? And then the lady came figure out when things changed between him in the mother 'cause they always been cordial and respectful. Did it makes me want if he to say some titter Mama he say he not. He does know highs mommy is. So now you stuck in the middle. Always trying to smooth things over with his mom while she dotes on her son and overlooks me. Okay, this is a typical Mama borey behavior I'm not trying to come between a mom and her son. that's not. The you should have to. If you relationship with a man you shouldn't WanNa come between. You shouldn't have to feel as though I'm saying that you coming between a man and his mother, you shouldn't be made to feel that way. Something's wrong. Come on. We grown people now she said we're not married so I can leave at any tan now. Okay. Where's the whole brains? All of a sudden. The truth came out. Hockey, leave him anytime. He knows unrated call in quiz and he is begging me to give him more time to talk to his mom. So you ready to roll out. Sounds like it damn. To ten years that ain't got I ain't mad at you about that. Damn. Ten years I don't need to put in ten moee just like. So Damn Ten Years Damn Love Damn the wedding vows to hear what his Mama. Roll out. How. Do. Who ruled out? Now. Should I leave him alone now and move on with my life was should I go through the win and just void his nasty economic? That's going to be impossible. Shirley's right. And I was talking to somebody today. Contractor at my house. And he said a counselor told him here went to counseling for his relationship. When a person shows you who they are. Believed though. That's what a guy into council I've heard that. A Counselor told him today what a person shows you who they really are believed though. Okay you should believe him he showed you. Who He really is who he really going to be loyal to and who is really going to he's going to place I. Surely say you should be i. Now he's shown you you laughing to be I. I need some time to talk to her conversation is this is real simple Mama Mama trip in now. You need to talk like that this my girl. You talk to crazy got a feeling some kind of way in that a right and if you keep doing that I am bringing around and I ain't coming round. Respect, who I am and what I WANNA do. That's that's a simple compensation. Now, Mama's boys is hard to have that conversation. 'cause they. Mama's boy you don't talk to me that. So stupid ass up. Going in there and sit down somewhere mama talking. May never done me like that. Because number one I ain't never talked back to mind could. was allowed but. It was my mother, but my mother never interfered. So I don't know what to tell you lady I would go about you seem like you surround the casual wear marriage so I can leave him at any time he no I'm ready to call it quits he debate me to give him. Oh time talk to his mum should I leave him alone now and move on with my life or should I go through the wind and just avoid his nasty Acura just go through with the way it. Right there. Should I just leave him now or should I just go through go through with the winning? That don't even sound right. Listen listen to me and on behalf of me. Tommy. Collins. Don't just sign up talking about you go through it away. Not. Best. To be doing. This way too many. UK just go through it moments in mayor. His advice I, gave to everybody we were talking about this off day. Three things you've got to have. You have to be in love with the person. You have to like a person. And you have to love the person in love is different from love. So you need to be in love. You need to be need like. Because all any given day, one of them can be missing. Take take. Any. One of them could just turn up missing I. Don't like his ass today. MASO Different. Shirley Ron. Live within. Post your comments. Thank you, Steve. Post your comments on today's Strawberry Letter Steve. Harvey FM on Instagram and facebook and please check out the strawberry letter podcast on-demand. Now, coming up at forty six minutes after the hour it sports dog with junior. You know right after this, you're listening to leave hearty morning show. Come on junior sports talk with junior. It's that time. You know you know. Is Pretty Cool though this is pretty cool. To file. Like soon. ABC You. got. Alabama head football coach Nick Sabin led the Alabama football team in social justice mark on campus yesterday the players wore black lab mattis shirts, coats statement said he's proud of the team and he's proud of our message. The criticized, we'll play cards football starting September twenty, six against Missouri. So I thought that was all wore black lives matter really good. You know because you've been wondering where the college coaches have been forced on the over their stance on Social Justice Nick Saves at team across campus. Is really good because you know look Alabama. makes. Millions tens. Hundreds of millions of dollars yes. Sir All these black football players. Yes football in Alabama is massive partner. Auburn and and and and and Alabama. You Ain't gonNA roll tide. V Roll. Tide. War Eagle is for real. Don't worry. Boy. Not. Going on if you want to. As might not make it back now I'm just all I'm saying. And in basketball man last night on TNT shack earnings, Kenny and Charles they all sport towels. As, a tribute to the late Georgetown coach John Thompson Man. Yeah. Coaches fangs was born that tile on his to the Games man or did seven years man I mean really man looking at players he put out Man Patrick Ewing. Alonzo. Jumped I. Forgot About Lonzo morning. Go another one can't be Mutombo dog he turned out Bee's he fled. To Georgia. You played for Thompson. He turned out beast man John. Yeah. You know if. John. You'll be his time. You Remember Sleepy Floyd. Yeah. No. Matter. What, maybe played over there. He played over there too. Sleepy was called. A Fella Harrington, you know they'll have to play. Him Know, David, wingate on his own. No. A wingate was smooth butt-black. Oh man but a black wingate. Get. nicknamed. From. Uncle. Call us. Thank you over here man. So man rest in peace coach we love me. Coming up more of Steve Harvey Morning Show at the top of the hour. Right after this you're listening to. Morning Show. What if you can learn from one hundred of the world's most inspiring women? Now, you can introducing Senecas one hundred women to hear a new podcast brought to you by Seneca women and iheartradio. I'm Kim a rally in celebration of the hundredth anniversary of American women getting the vote where bring you the voices of a hundred groundbreaking and history-making women listened to Seneca's one hundred women to here on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Forever you get your podcasts. All. Right. So Carla, what happened with the versus battle between Monica and Brandy last night everyone was talking about it Cha. What happened happened? You know who wanNA hurt. No bad with. With top it was. A lot of people were saying brandy one either I don't know Monica Monica. Paul was so fly some lives. Yeah. It's to check it out over at think one point two, million people viewed and just viewers checking out the BATTLE MONICA VERSUS BRANDY R&B powerhouses all the hits and a lot of celebrities checked into check this out missy Elliott jemaine debris Jar Rue Toni Braxton Legrand state loved John Tebas, Campbell Martin twice love the network et Nedeli. Tamblyn Swiss of course symbol in Swiss this thing. Kerry Washington Erica by do I'll forever first lady Michelle Obama Check And check this out. We're watching Monica and brandy battle and a video call hopped up Kamla Harris KLOPP. Dude. That's what I'm talking about. So the battle was we all we were all fans aren't be music and you know they took a break during the battle and they had a message telling people to register to vote. There was so many viewers they're sending out links they were doing work last night so. To my studio Tyler Perry. Studios Shafei few. They were right. Next door. Time. I'd. Monica was like let's do it again. So Paula Gum. He'll be an agitator. I'M A fan. I'm say it's a tie I'm. asking. To and Tommy. Chain I'm not the same almost social media page lips by Carla did a poll and s people before the battle. Who did they think when it was fifty fifty they who you got. So we'll see I'd do it again. Today and find divas. Right. And they on the scene YOU KNOW DOING R&B Music Whenever we young they were young. They were drama knowledge to trying to help young women and know in the music industry and talk about the business and you know press Woodham trying to turn out to vote. Doing business taking care of business some. People to the. Yeah. Cool cocoa you know what I could break this up like this. You, say that was Joe Studio, they was at but that ain't Yo studio as Tyler. Studio. You just work I did want. Any studio. You, our man. Is Dot. About to be another battle. Were little central down this ancient radio show but you own it. Off. With All right. Thank you. Carla. See. I've got a quick question for you. you know people are starting to have get togethers parties now not to mention this upcoming weekend day weekend. taught so much you bring. To. This is Steve's who showed is. So. The question is the question is, what is your exit strategy? When you go to a party you're unsure about whether you want to stay or not. And you don't go to a lot of parties now, just barbecues this week. I just. I take the baby home the baby. Go ahead and take him out to the car. Virginia. Coming up more of today's trending stories on the Steve Harvey Morning Show It's twenty minutes after the hour you're listening to. Morning Show. All right. So Steve this hasn't gotten much national attention I know why but more than three dozen children are now safe in Georgia after being rescued during a sex trafficking bust involving state and federal agents. Authorities said, these missing children were considered to be some of the most at risk and challenging recovery cases in the area based on indications of high risk factors such as victimization of Child Sex, trafficking, child exploitation, sexual abuse, physical abuse, and medical or mental health conditions Georgia. Attorney General Chris Carr praised the rescue effort which was conducted in. Atlanta and Macon saying I cannot say enough about up ration- not forgotten and the men and women behind it. Do catch any adults. Yeah. Yes. Some adults thank God. Let's get all. I was on I g this weekend and I think it was Mario I think it was his I g He did a post. Why isn't this the biggest story in America right now? People that are living in certain situations you just don't know the story behind every victim there's something. Different from everybody I guess let me get this out really quickly. There is a national network of community based Crisis Centers for Creek for sex crime victims please call this number eight, hundred, six, five, six, four, six, seven, three, that's eight, hundred, six, five, six, four, six, seven, three, eight, hundred, six, five, six. Hope we'll have more of the Steve, Harvey? Morning Show at thirty three minutes after the hour right after this you're listening to. To morning show. All right. What's going on and political news today? Joe. Biden accused president trump of sowing chaos amid protests. Did you guys see trump's tweet when he call the Mayor of Portland Foale? Really. Really are. or Yes because he asked you not to come to the city because you just incite people and make it worse because you're the divider chief also president trump will be headed to Kenosha Wisconsin today to meet with law enforcement despite the governor's opposition what Tommy, but they don't want him over there. Wasn't Mukundan. So. If you if they don't want you what is your going over there for? Just so we Can Go. That's never. Essential. To say if they don't want you over there. Meeting with law and he's meeting with people that want to meet with him. The president is going to Kenosha today to meet with law enforcement despite the governor's opposition and trump will not meet with the Family Jacob. Blake also, the president refuses to condemn the white seventeen year old who killed two people and injured a third during the kenosha protests. Here we go with that. Again, I mean two systems of justice in the US. The seventeen year old walked down the street with long. With the president said about it too. You know I mean, a lot of people are looking at this. You know he was afraid to lose his life. Look Man. First of all, you don't have the right to take a gun down the street and kill somebody just like police don't but when this president won't. Won't stand up and take a stand on that type of violence. You know exactly who we're dealing with he's he's trying to win the election by scaring people. Now, what Joe Biden has done, that has been brilliant is Joe Biden says, no, it won't be a worse America if I'm president, it can't get any worse and stop saying what what happened. If I'm president, all the buildings aren't I I could deal police brutality, but I am rioting and looting and all this is happening on President Trump's watch. This is America he has created because instead of trying to heal people, he's constantly spewing out divisive rhetoric. He's not old enough to carry. A weapon like that, right? He's a minor. Law By evening walking around carrying that and you won't even condemn him for that. Let alone no because he's a trump supporter, his ass won't be voting issue. Promise you hard to vocal. Dot Org to register please only sixty two days left until November third. Oh did you hear what you say both works? Old Coming up. It's our last break of the day. Last break. The day. 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RDJ has a solo album!!!!!

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RDJ has a solo album!!!!!

"If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free the creation tools to allow you to create an edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify. PODCAST and many more. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership and everything you need is to make a podcast in one place. So download the free anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. Aright and welcome back to the PODCAST. Everything. You've ever needed Nobel movies, music and theater. I am Matthew Garland I'm your host once again and. To the last couple episodes been doing have mostly been focusing on film and musicals and that type of thing, and I really want to get back into talking about one section of the podcast that I haven't really talked about and then I really want to start. start getting up to speed on things so What we're GonNa talk about today is we're going to talk about an album album is probably one of my favorites in it's one then not many people know about. And it's one of those albums that when she realizes out there, you should go and find it. but it's also one of those albums where either you probably really like it or you really don't, and it just depends upon your own personal thought process on and so of course, I'm talking about. The futurist by Robert Downey Junior. That's right. Our DJ actually put out an album. So this album was produced by Jonathan. and Mark Hudson were released on November twenty third two thousand fourth is Sony Classic It debuted at the time at at one hundred, twenty one on the billboard's two hundred chart and it sold about six. Sixteen thousand in its first. Week. So. It consists of ten songs. Mostly written by Downey, there are two covers and there are three songs that he co wrote with someone else with actually. MARKUPS and and And It's I love this album. I really do it. It's a great great great album and it's one of those things where. people I. Personally Forget that this album exists even sometimes and then I remember that I play it. And it's amazing I. Mean it's only only about a forty three minute album so it doesn't take much of your time. But I love it. I really do end if you love Arche Jay and you love his singing that he has done on those an episode of ally mcbeal that he sang on Instead he signed a couple of times in movies in that type of thing but this is a full. You know forty-three minutes of Artie Jay and it's it's really wonderful. And so. I WanNa talk about the songs individually and when I'm going to do, which is something different that I usually don't do with this podcast First of all I've had mostly. someone else with me to talk about. These things with me. and. It's not that I don't want to do that. But it said there was no one personally available for today's recording for tonight's recording. The only thing is to I really want to. kind of also get back into. The thought of is that. You Know I. Started this podcast to discuss things I wanted to discuss and sometimes I don't. You know when I have a guest I wanNA make sure they get the floor and they don't feel like on talking over them. So this is my chance to just talk talk talk, and if you like these kinds of episodes, it's been a while since I've done a solo one. So this'll be really good but I really want it. I'm going to take a deep dive into each. Track But. So the futurist is consistent of pop songs are down as well as other people and the to covets now the two covers talk about those right away I one is smile. it was written. By Charlie Chaplin Jeffrey, Clarin Parsons, and James Phillips. Now Downing knows this song pretty well because he was in by radical film called Chaplin directed by the Wonderful Richard Attenborough. On the movies kind of mess. Unfortunately but it's The song is really wonderful and their civil versions out there. The one that I do listen to a good good time is Nat King Cole Sings version of this song and for those who don't know what I'm talking about the song called smile. And it's basically smile though your heart is aching smile even though it's breaking when are clouds in the sky you'll get by if you smile It's basically a kind of idea that Chaplin had in chaplain by road at the time when he was really being The history of Chaplin, you could take a deep dive on that on your own, and it's amazing sometimes when you see what? chaplain went through on his own thing. But that's probably he had the optimism that things we're. GonNa. Be Okay. until that's so smile is the last song the and it's pretty much there because. Although Downey sang it on the soundtrack of chaplain and he sang before he has openly stated that He. He wanted to do it again he didn't feel he he did justice and so this is his version to be able to do it justice and to do it the way he always wanted to do it, and that might have been the fact that he was still on. He was still battling his demons back then when he was making chaplain and now and I guess I should also say this album comes in the park. Right around when we got the resurgence of Robert Downey Junior, this is post him going to jail for the last time going to we have the last time and coming back officially and starting to do this movies. This predates. IRONMAN. But it's right. I believe it's right before like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, but it's right in that section movies from Gattaca to Kiss Kiss. Bang Bang down he did when he started getting really busy any any came back and he was sober and so But a smile is what closes out the album the seventh song I'm not going to go I'm going order in a minute but I I wanted to get the two covers out the the seven track on this album is a song called your move which is actually made famous by the band Yes. it's also called I've seen your I've seen all good people and People not know the name people might not know it but if anyone's ever seen the movie Mister Deeds. Songs actually playing in the background after they did after amp sandler and everyone on the on the helicopter do version of major Tom This is that one that goes ding do doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo. And so does a version of and You might also hear all we are saying is give peace a chance in the middle of that. That's actually in I've seen all good people It's basically your move It's this it's unimaginable song and they throw in give peace a chance ren biopsy I'm John Lennon, and so this is it's this this is him doing and it's great because you can. You can hear him having fun on the track he does. bring in John Anderson. Who was a member? who was the person who demanded wrote the song and played in plays on that Song from? Yes. So it's it's one of those wonderful nice little Mike. Down he's not just GonNa take it and be like, okay. Well, you know the hell with the other guys he's going to be like I want to bring this back in and be like, okay. We're GONNA we're, GonNa do the songs, and it's it's really good and you can hear it in the background of him even saying you know come on offer. So it's it's it's nice to hear that but if those you know the the the lyrics are quite interesting send an instant Karma to me initially. Of with love and care and then 'cause it's time and time and time with your time and its news is captured. for. The Queen to us. It's really funds song and I I I I do like very much but the on those. Two songs. The big dry here is that Downey wrote you know eight, his own songs he wrote. Two of them with Mark Hudson who's one of the producers of this anybody with a someone called Jenny Harding Morris So he has collaboration but the the standouts are really the ones that he wrote by himself on so that the album opens with a song called man like me. And that it really. kind of begins the album in such a way that you can imagine it of like It's a song. By the lyrics kind of talking about You know he's a obviously seemingly talking to a girl and saying you know I'm. I've been waiting forever to. See You. I've been waiting forever to be in this moment to be with you. and your mom says that you're throwing your life away to be with a guy like me And he basically is like you know she's right but she also doesn't realize that I could be okay You know the lyrics of like a this is nine I've been dreaming forever. Mirror takes a look at my face on never set. Foot in that rat hole again. But I'll drive to your plates and spit gravel as I back out of the back door and the twenties roll around in my head It's funny. Now when I don't show up on Monday, they'll go nuts any their heads. Well, what do you think of that and then he says you'll be throwing your life the way she says, you're throwing your life away to move with a guy like A. She's not blind, but she don't have a mind to see and of the really interesting one is the second verse of him saying. this is a habit I'm breaking now. Forever I'm weird from trying to shake it. So when I asked if you won't give me your hand out ticket right now from your mother's side of town, he's basically in that one verse basically saying. I've had a habit of not doing this properly I'm going to do it correctly this time and I'm GonNa, fall in love and treat you correctly and you know. This is downy i. mean all the songs are are you could probably expand on all of these in probably half of them wrong just because. Of How of what he was writing about because he said, he heaves he said before on a James Lipton interview that he writes the lyrics after he writes the music. And so you could he could just be writing nice tunes but I I would. Think that he is writing. Poetry about his life that he's talking about it, and this is also after he has. Met His now wife Susan Downey. Also, he's already been divorced from Deborah Falconer and she does exist in this. Album. There's a song that he says it's kind of. About her and so but but man, like me man that that hits you right and it's very jazzy, very, very much in that in that space of The other thing I have to say at the beginning of this episode is doing something different with this episode than I've done in the past in the sense that I am putting. I'm putting behind the back Brown, the background music that's playing hopefully very softly is Tracks on the album so that you can check it out I'm GONNA try to. In Post tried to pinpoint them and put them in the right place so that it's not like I'm talking about man like me and you're listening to hand or something you know I wanna track with them in the right place but we'll see how that works But this is you know it's it's You know so So second. So second track on it, it's called a song called broken now if you. Haven't. So he performed this particular song on. Oprah when he? Kind of return he did a deep dive with Oprah about all the difficulties in troubles in the fact that he is cleaning. is able to reclaim his license wife. was there any played played this the broken song on her show and it was quite something to imagine this song his so like I think he said this one is about Deborah Falconer his. Ex Wife and the mother of his son young master in the. And the song but the lyrics, the opening lyrics tell you everything you need to know about you fell in love with a broken heart. You know that he goes on. Love in these modern times, they'll be someone new every night with some other love yarn to wrap my my harms around no one else can understand. It's not about you. I can't hear you. In love with. A broken heart I think I'll leave today covered all this way every earthly breath lifeless testimony. The lyrics these kind of far out in that in the way, the kids say far out But I think that's good because it gives a little bit of it's not. Cut and dry come based and the wonderful thing. So I think I've mentioned it before on this podcast, but obviously, I am A member of a and In the middle of the song for some I heard all of a sudden I heard. The, part of the a you know God grant me the strength to accept things can change and change them It's really funny how he puts that into the song and he basically like it's way of him being you fell in love with a broken heart. But we're going to help each other through this and we're and I'm here for you You know like I said, you could analyze it to to to the degree And it could be about anything, I? Mean sometimes some people are. All the lyrics just sound really cool. You know but I think it really does Hold the truth of it, and it's one of my favorite songs of all time of you know. You fell in love with a broken heart. And You know. I see a face in every cloud flagger of shots shots to keep it down down in doers. Laugh out loud patties. Reckon draws a crowd i. mean these are not instantly known ex but that doesn't matter that it makes them. So majestic in poetic and the way he sings I mean I'll talk about the lyrics and what each remains means but the way he sings brings it all out because he'd he's doing a little bit of. Staying. But he has his own kind of Y'all to and you can hear the passion through it, and that's the important thing about these these songs. then. The third out the third track, and this will go into an episode that we're going to I'm going to record later. Probably, with my friend. In that. A friend a long time ago said to me. To judge whether or not you're gonNA like an album. Album as a whole. listened to the third track. Track that means you like the album. And it's a philosophy I think I've used for most of my existence and most of my life so that you know if I'm Ranga musical, the third song is. Usually my favorite song for some reason So the third track on this is Kimberly Kimberly Glide? And I. Love. This particular song this song I think I've used in acapella auditions like sue additions that I didn't need to. Have Sheet Music, or prepare that I could just sing Acapella and I love this song and it's This one is a little harder because I think he's writing characters kimberly. where Kimberly is, but you know vacation holiday strange way to save a family a step aside, this brothers pride for the last Ride Nosedive Hellfire. My lifeline didn't survive a blind rage set the stage to say on never love again, a kimberly glides in the onset of a cactus angels Mayan. bigshots float around guests. This is her home now. You. Mistook me for a man who understands things of godless heartless pitiful nature and how to sell in for the winner. And it's base it seems to be about of like to me. It's about like a road trip that didn't go well. And they then get stuck in the middle of the. of the desert to have to like try to. Figure out what they what they want you know, and then like four fire and seventeen still struggle with the meaning. It's a straight groove I'm a man now turned out. Okay. Perfect. Somehow it's love hate La. WanNa glide but in a different way today dropped me Pradeep hope to meet my. Can Be decides she is down for a rare reunion. She jet jets a path north past the pitiful port of Sun. Is San Diego although Jeez out of reach this Manhattan Beach? Now. Head on the right now and it's Things have been going well On. It's it's kind of a bowed reconnecting with people and forgiveness and and that type of thing and I think that's I think that's at the heart of. Of Down is that. A lot of these songs seem to be about. forgiveness and they seem to be about. Wanting, forgiveness and wanting to. Be Able to But. Maybe believe in something else and you know I mean, that's that's the beauty of it. And I mean you could say that it's let's say it's about him meeting his sister although his sisters called Allison not Kimberly but you know it could be part of that and You Know Salvation Holy. Day. My heart skips jumps beats I see a face sister God gave and took away floating off my balcony and del Rey good. Good. Good God. Can we just smiles wants to stay forever I'd have her, but we know that's just a word. We wish we never heard when we're together and says, she must return to cactus angel. So it's about meeting with someone getting forgiveness and then they ultimately have to. Go back, go home. So. So the next track on. The album is the futurist. The title track of the elements compus. Now, for those who may be again could do a deep dive in. All things were down the. This song exists actually from the album feel elements actually called a difference it's different title called snakes. And I just WanNa talk about the difference. Between the lyrics of snakes versus This of The. Future. So in general. Or the original I've heard is you have body you give. So you're you. So survivor, it's so it's so clear I like long gone songs of old you saying sang throughout the year you'll be like love is for the rest of our lives I won't have to run baby you won't have to think twice. Let me tell you about something. Let me tell you something about those snakes in the grass there bunch of bleeding bug bites talking about how it won't last. GIMME A body won't you give me your sweet soul love were love will take over our love where you take control. Pick shovel fill my little holes. Drive me to the river and climb my every flagpole. There's a peak Bezzola to GIS garden up there all these purple spheres. Where the free soul always listens you weed out my fears. with freecell always listen. So he repeats a little bit that's snakes. This you body, you give soul your sole survivor it's so it's so clear our love long. Gone songs of old and using throughout the years it'll be like lovers for the rest of our lives. I won't have to run baby. You won't have to think twice they'll take a walk. We'll save the world sounds like, October a futurist knows are furious curious fantasists code. Me Your Body won't you give me your sweet soul love when you take over I love when you take control, it'll be like lovers for the rest of our lives won't have to run and you wanted to think twice they'll take a walk will save the world. Sounds like October A. futurist snows are furious. Curious fantasists code. There's a big. There's a big adventurous got up there always purple fears where the Creek, the creator. And then he Repeats it'll be like love is four. So he changed quite a lot. The original one seems to be about warning. Your lover of snakes in the grass and not great people out there and this new version seems to be more about what we're GonNa do and what how we're going to move into the future with our love being as it is and that's You can see the difference the first one he wrote before his last arrest and before you get fired from Allen mcbeal so he was he might have been writing it hardly. Towards. Deborah. Falconer in trying to explain himself in this one, he's matured he's grown up and he has He wants a real partnership with Who is now married to? It's amazing. You Know I. Listened to. Snakes listen to the future and they're. Almost civil snakes is a little bit more. Of A kind of steep secret kind of moody piece where this seems to be so heartfelt and so he takes his time with this one and You Know I. I hate to say that I like snakes better but I kind of do although I do like the futurist the song itself for those reasons that. It's a little bit of him being older. Type. Of thing. So. Next on the list we have. Little clowns. So, this little clowns is the fifth. Song in this now, as of as we've gone through Kimberly Kimberly glide and low clowns one now other two are two of the ones that down the road by himself without a coordinator. So with this He's explained this that he believes that. You now. Things that that way you down things that don't that. Don't allow you to Be The best that you can then he says hang on little clowns you might just turn the world around. And that. Impossible things in great things are. Capable. Of happening if you allow them to. And This is. I hate to say it's my least favorite but it is one I don't care for the song as much as the other ones It's fun. It's a nice in on the chorus. Hang on hang on low clouds but it's Something kitschy about this in something. So. You know. It's not my favorite. I usually skip over this one but it's still a good song I'm not going to say it's not but it's it's it's not one of my favorites So then from there, we go to this a song called three at me that goes to a sound called five thirty. which in case you are wondering the song. Is Not, a song that's called five thirty is. Five minutes and thirty seconds long it's actually four minutes and eleven seconds long. Again written by downing this one's really cool. I like this one because it's very chassis You know he says, I'm around I figure it out so far. So sad this thorn in I know sides in landslides. That's my love. All falls down. That's why I won't fold undefined fire underground. That's why love don't watch been. What's past? You see I see all the second hand. Thanks Dad. Am I free and was at me why isn't always five thirty? That's why love also goes down. That's why I won't fold love. Starts Rolling into fire rolling underground, and that's why I love to wash. it was never really bad I was never never that alone So I wound up where it led. So laid lays beside the road. I had barely deeply breed I was not the man to feel. So it turns. As this as string and catches the wheel. Won't claim it felt unfair and in Silom in my house I could not escape his mouth. Kanye's scape it. So he's talking about this. I think the song definitely is about. The addiction and it's about him kind of feeling. like. He knows what he's done and he's trying to do the best you can look at. He even says, thanks Dad You know am I free? Was that me wise always five thirty that's kind of the old joke of Of it's five thirty somewhere or something. And Down, he has said that originally it was going to be called. That's why love and it was the first song kind of originally road And he has said that it's a very bitter place that he was writing the song and And, he says it's kind of a three part miniseries. In four and a half minutes and it's really cool I. Like this one this one of my favorites in the fact that he wrote I kind of does make sense of what he was looking to. possibly do with this one. The next one I actually think it's my favorite. Details. This one is also run by downing. So this is track eight. and. Details. Such jazzy kind of old fashioned number of anyone. You know likes the old Sinatra stuff. This is the ram or if you listen to like separate. In the Song Manhattan this has a lot of similarities to that, and this is him almost reminiscing about. The woman. He loved I. Believe he did say this one was also about Deborah Falconer and that he You know. He he reminisces about. How they match What they've done which because What ends up happening. After all that and It's it's kind of. To me this one is a very Sad, Song This is very sad I to me it. Really. Speaks to a kind of sadness in in him and You know but I like that and I. Relate to it some. You know he says, how did you find handed I find? You did I. Remind you of the boy at the lose watching you move behind oil. For, five around years out of the furnace into the forest, the harvest of my youth. Tell me the truth do does anyone anymore? And he has the line that always gets me that mealy starts me cry. I've come to believe if a man does his deeds while he's missing the wine, he has already died one hundred times. Do you remember seven September's of sacred rendezvous spreading only for you. Will you remember to being the vendor how we used to groove spreading only for you? But my fear and my pride left a shadow inside with a note on the door and a card on the floor like hundred times before. I it was neely than it was barely now it seems pretty far when you were tipsy, I was wizard with a silver star. I will spare the details of the rocks and the nails. The Times that I've lied can't lay down tonight I've already tried a million times. He's looking for forgiveness but at the same time and it's probably a conversation. He had in recovery of you know. I will spare the details of the rocks announced I'm going to spare you every time that I've ever lied. Because I've done it a million times at this point and I can't relax I can't lay down. It's just I. Can't do this right now And hold important, and that's that's what it all means. Something and I kind of listen to this thing about this or even sing it to myself during those sleepless nights or nights when I'm really really I can't go to sleep for some reason. So I get what he's saying I really do and that's that's kind of. I consider this a very. Calm. I actually consider as very recovery song in addition to also looking for forgiveness. From someone. but that's my favorite song. Details is favorite song by Barnum. And then finishing high tracks again, this is track nine Jackson it's mile we talked about track nine Hannah. this is A. This is kind of Fun Song I. Kinda like this of you know. So he says there's a dark problem today as always nothing black though as our armed shuffled passed in the hallway. Hannah unit. Hannah done sleep on my floor everyday, simple and slow it grows. Now, the clock is ticking on my own motivation. Hannah you kill with the look and you're one special brand of contamination Hanna. Hanna you know you're doing it handed on sleep on my floor everyday simple and slow. It grows and now he's stumbling in his buckskins and we're rooting for suicide. He is a boy king, but he's a bastard with a problem. She's a stop and Beast in Dr Manic Child? No small wondered this boys little war tours gut bombed. Got Him bombed. On the carpet Brown out in the townhouse I believe, I've conceived to exhibit all the promise of Paperback Soldier burnt-out. Hannah's not home tripping tripping trip Lohan. It pains me you put your foundation. So at risk where you displeased breeding breeding incompetence view I, dismissed you're dismissed. Now, he's stumbling his buckskins where rooting for a suicide he is a boy king, but he's bastard with problem. He's a stopping beast and a dark demanding child. This is him. Almost it could be about Robert being himself up for what he did because You know he's talking to could be talking about you know 'cause it's. The singer is talking to the narrator about you know You Know Hannah you know. Hansen sleep on my floor every day. Simple slow and. He's you know he mealy emits himself that he's a stumbling in his buckskins he wants. Downey once walked around in his underwear. because he was so high and And you know he's a boy king he he he was the prince of downing of a downy senior who was a filmmaker and he was set to be a really brilliant actor at the time and he was throwing it out because he called himself a bastard with problems and. You know maybe Hannah. Was the equivalent of him trying to prove that he could do it again and he'd be okay but keep falling kept falling. The really cool thing musically about this is the Hannah course which only have twice the second the third time he does it. Has Not home. It pains me you put Your Business There's a little bit of difference, but it's really cool what he does. Hannah you-know-who. Higgins sleep on math flow everyday. Simple land slow it grow hopes. It's really cool. What he does and it's it's groovy. It's really really groovy when when you when you listen to. figure out what what he's doing. It's it's I love it. I love this is one of my favorites. This actually funny enough initially was not my favorite song I used to not listen to this but as I've done older. It seems to. Speak to me a little bit more and I love it I really do. So those are the album. So for critical reception unfortunately. the album was received mixed reviews. all music. Kalari rated the film three point five out of five. And called Downey's lyrics of. He did praise the musicianship however. and praised your move and smile covers but called the album unpredictably moving as the best of Downey's work And Elsie Gardner of USA Today wrote the vibe on Downey's album can. Can seem pretentious or simply don't after a while but there is a Moody Music musicality to tracks such as man like me and details I think people miss the mark or misunderstand what's going on when in artist like this tries to put a stamp of something. That he's working on on. This particular thing and I think it's important that people. That people realize that Downey was doing something that the this was important to him that he really wanted to. Put these songs out here and he he really wanted. people understand I mean since this album's come out in two, thousand and six. Two years after his release he actually has said he will not do another album as he felt an energy put into doing the album was not opposite and explained he did not want to spend whatever time he had. at home in studio rather with family. And that makes sense I. Mean if you put out this album, you put your heart and soul into this and it's not just a vanity project that he does one. This to means something and it's dismissed like was, of course you're. GonNa I'm. Not, WANNA put on another one. I wouldn't want to put out another one. Although I probably would because I'm a people place, but that's just me But this if anyone has not heard this apple mrs wonderful wonderful wonderful one album. It's one of my favorite albums of all time it really is. and. It's only been around for the last. What twenty years less than. And here's his the other thing that you'll notice to. Is For all my fans out there. Who Know Captain America's? Civil war. When Tony Stark visits the. The jail with all of his friends in there and he walks in and you hear clint. Hawkeye, yelling at him, you might not have recognized what he's yelling at. He's yelling he calls them the futurist. This is actually a reference to his album to this album You know call him the futurist there'd be no other for Clinton, actually use that word the future it's not a known thing like. He could have called him a hypocrite or he could have called him. Oh, there's are you know the the the the Fortune Teller, the seer of everything, the our protector this and that, but he calls them the futurist. That's not like I said it's not a word I don't personally think that is in Widespread acclaim. It's not one that US I don't go to the store and say, so I was talking to this futurists the other day and you know that's what I mean about it but it's you know. It is what it is. This album is one of my favorites and I really think people should see it and I know. The last episode that I was recorded come from way has gotten some great responses. I love it I really do. I really hope the skits that this that that start away than at the audience that's listening to that will listen to this one as well because. I'm trying to also bring people to. Recognizing might not know or know about you know ardy Jay has an album. Everyone should listen to it this album. Killing right now should have a resurgence because of how popular are Dj has not only that but also You know it's it's one of those great albums that people don't necessarily think is a Is a thing but they could also be like, oh, it's probably terrible. 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Harvey Weinstein Trial: Accuser Lauren Sivan Interview

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Harvey Weinstein Trial: Accuser Lauren Sivan Interview

"The views and opinions expressed in. This podcast are simply that opinions. All are presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law sensitive live topics are discussed discretion is advised on this week's court. TV podcast we continue our gavel to gavel coverage of the Harvey Weinstein trial with an extended interview with Lawrence Avant one of the nearly ninety women who publicly accused him of sexual misconduct. Tom This is the court. TV podcast with vinny politics and Sima Ire Welcome to the court TV podcast. I'm Sima Ir here with my Buddy Vinnie Paul. Great to be here really. It's always great to be here because the podcast gives us an opportunity to really take it to another level. You know what I mean another level of depth because ears into your commute. Yeah your kitchen the stuff I love this what I I lived to do. I love it. It's my the work of my career and Today I'm really excited about What we're getting into? Well I especially thank that you are going to appreciate this interview that I did. With one of the Harvey Weinstein Accusers Lawrence Yvonne because she is is somewhat like one of us. She's a journalist. Yeah and how she ended up there. I mean to me. This whole scenario and story is bizarre. And and I think it's so revealing These interviews in how you know honest. They are sure and I spoke to. Yeah Yeah and she is really a great interview because she's a journalist and also vinnie. It was she added some levity to this particular interaction that she had with Harvey Weinstein which I can appreciate because it is very emotional for me to sit down with these accusers. It is just all the sympathy and all the empathy you have is women just comes out but so what's your what's your background. What did you? How'd you get into really interesting? Show always always want to be a journalist. I I think right out of college. She worked behind the scenes in Fox's producer but Hello she realized realized. Hey I am so stunning. No she didn't say that but I say that she is so stunning that The natural progression was to be in front of the camera and she made that what transition she learned The business the production part the reporting part and her first real job in front of the camera was act. Act a New York station in Long Island strong island. Yes Oh you sat down with her right. So Y- you're sitting down. And how did you prepare a pair for all of this. And and what. What's your attitude going into these interviews? It depends on the accusation right. How about this one? So for this accusation. I really just try. Try to watch as much on Lawrence Yvonne as I could under. I was prepared for what she was going to say. So I knew the story and I really. We also just wanted her timeline about how young she was when it happened. this occurred back in two thousand seven and I was able to almost just relax a little before speaking to Lauren. Because I knew she was not going to describe a violent assault so in this interview. We you again now for you listeners lauren describing how she met Harvey Weinstein. At that time I was working at news. Twelve Long Island. I had a serious boyfriend who I lived with in Manhattan and I would commute out to work every day and come back to the city at at night around that time when you met Harvey Weinstein and do you know approximately when you met him so it was about It was two thousand seven even if the fall or the winter of two thousand seven. I had just finished my shift on Long Island was driving back to Manhattan and I got a phone call from a girlfriend. It was like a Friday night I think ink and she said we're all down at chipper. Yanni's you should come. It's a fun group. You should come and I just got off work. It was Friday so it was later already. It was about probably eleven o'clock by the time I got back into town and I went and met her and she was there with Just be chip Ronnie and bunch of people. Aw and I just took the empty seat at the table. I sat down with them and two minutes later. Harvey Weinstein comes up next to me and says I think you're sitting in my seat. Lead and I knew he was obviously recognizable. I said Oh I'm so. Sorry and he goes. No no no you sit and he pulled up a chair next to me and we just started chatting and he. He was asking me what I did and it was really charming. In retrospect he was asked me what I did. He was asking me a million questions about my job. You so impressed that I work in news news. He was telling me about all these news documentaries. He's trying to produce and we had this really great chat where I really felt. Wow I'm holding my own with Harvey Weinstein. I was only about twenty six twenty seven at the time. What was your overall impression of him? His demeanor how did you come across charming. He came across as really interested in in what I was doing. But not in a creepy way. He was asking legitimate questions about news about where I came from. We're talking about presidential history. You know and which one which president by our fees we read and things like that and there was no red flags there was was not I mean he was nothing but really warm and sincere and he was telling me about his children. And that's why because there was no red flags that's why when he asked me if I wanted to tour more of the place we were in later that evening I said yes because dangerous. What was his connection to chip Brianti? Like why would he they were palace. Oh they were they were definitely POWs they. They were together quite a bit. As far as I know just by reading page six in New York I mean chip ran on Ian. Him would go on yachts together he would use the ATI would use chipper Yanni's hotels so they were pals. How many people are at this table where there are a lot of people there for this dinner? No maximum ten of us at this dinner but afterward because I got in there so late. They said we're all going to go to this club Socialista. So we all piled into Harvey Weinstein's Weinstein's car. That was waiting outside with driver. It was like a huge suv and we all went to Socialista and when we got there we continue talking. It was all on the up and up until he said. Hey I'm one of the investors here I want to give you a tour and my initial reaction was great because there was no reason to be alarmed at that point but I got up from the table and I told my girlfriend who had come to meet own. Just GonNa go check out the restaurant with Harvey and she looked at me and she said said if you're not back in ten minutes I'm going to come get you and I was like okay at that time when she said that. was there anybody else in that group that looked at you In in some way not that I remember anybody say anything to you in some way. No I mean you know it was a nightclub it was like wow people were just just like talking and corners and it was dark and it was just a girlfriend looking after her friend she just said. Hey if you're not back in ten minutes and coming to look for you. Was it a bit tongue in cheek. Cheetham she said it. I don't think so. I think she knew more than I did at that point because she had known. Just be for a while. And she had heard some things just Ed's told her about Harvey not that would rise to the level of do not go anywhere with him but just keep an eye on you so then what happened so he took me downstairs and soon as we got downstairs. I realized this was a bad idea because the kitchen was empty. There was just one guy sweeping sweeping up. It was dark and I said to him as soon as we got down there. Okay I've seen it. I'm good I'm going to back upstairs because no no no no. You haven't seen it all you haven't seen it all well and you know in in restaurant. Kitchens in New York City. They're really narrow. They're usually underground so he's walking me behind me through this hallway and when we get to the end of the hallway. It's just like a dead end is like a vestibule and that's when he you know cornered me and he leaned in and kissed me and I backed off and I said I'm I'm so sorry. I gave you the wrong impression. I I had no idea that this was this is what it was about. I just thought we were having a nice chat before he kissed you. Did he touch you at all. When you said he he yeah he may have touched my lower back or just to scoop me through the hallway? Maybe but it was again it was you you know once we were down in a dark place. I knew this was a bad idea and I knew that I wanted to get out of there. And when he kissed me it was it was it was. I was in my reaction with more angry at myself. Like I'm was so stupid to think that he was just happy having a chat with me or that he thought I I was someone smart and intelligent for conversation like obviously it occurred to me at that moment that led up to this so I was annoyed at that point. Were you scared. I don't remember member being physically scared. He was he's a big guy and he was blocking the exit. It was clear to me that he wasn't GonNa let me just walk away but I didn't didn't fear violence for some reason. I think I felt like he was so I think I felt like I'm small enough that I could like you know. Get Out of there. Needed to but part of me was angry at that I got myself down here. And when he told me after pulled away from him he said well can you just stand there and be quiet. That's when I was like what and I guess the reporter in me was like what's he gonNa do because that's never happened to me before at that point. Did you get scared. Yeah but then when I realized what he was about to do which was you know expose. It was himself and masturbate in front of me. I just was like this is disgusting and I just want to leave. I wasn't scared for some reason. It seemed like whatever wherever you are going to have to involve me. I just had to stand there for whatever reason. But it's a horrifying sight to be a woman by yourself standing when they're watching this go down and the whole time just thinking this is Harvey Weinstein. How many other women has he done this too? I just met him an hour ago so I knew new right then and there. I was not the only one you said you were about. What Twenty six twenty seven? Okay even at that young and that moment you thought to yourself how many any other women just because it seems so orchestrated. Oh I'm so stupid. He's chatting me up upstairs to get me downstairs to do whatever he wanted to do. He knew exactly how to get me down there quickly. How to warn me up he knew the place right? He knew where to go where there'll be a dark corner where no one would see him. No one would hear me so it just felt at that moment like I bet you he does this all the time because it was so nothing to him and he didn't seem alarmed at all when I was alarmed when I was like Whoa. I'm so sorry I didn't. I didn't mean to be here. I didn't mean to give you the wrong impression. He was just like ooh well. She's not going to cooperate if happening. We're GONNA take a break right now but we'll be back with more more story for more court. TV Watch it on cable over the Air Roku or go to court TV DOT COM And Stream live gavel to gavel coverage. Catch up on the big moments from our current cases and relive some of court. TV's most historic trials court. TV your front row seat to justice. We're back for more of seem as interview with television journalists and Harvey Harvey Weinstein Accuser Lawrence Yvonne. Here's the rest of her story about her encounter with the movie. Mogul a little warning though. This does get graphic. Okay so you said there was a moment where you knew what he was about to do. Yeah did he. Could you just describe what he did. And we'll league's looking and asked me to. He asked me to stand there and be quiet and I remember standing arms cross because I was like what. What's he you're GONNA do? And then he pulled out his penis and started vigorously masturbating facing you looking directly at me and so we're where were you looking. I was not looking at him. Yeah I was not looking at him I think I was looking past him or down but I remember thinking like think it's so gross. Didn't WanNa Watch and I kept hoping that this would not take a long time. How far was he from from you when he was doing? Oh like like where we're sitting right now so as close as we. Yeah two feet three feet and when he was masturbating in front of you did he touch you. No did he say anything. I mean he may have made some guttural noises when it was over to let me know that he was done because it was obvious to me that he had finished and I said can we go. Can I go now. How long did it take? I mean I want to say less than two minutes and were you in that narrow hallway that you described. Yeah so so. We're up against a wall or I know that there may have been a dorm back but I believe it was locked like I remember thinking. There's nothing else to see here like. Why are we in this hallway? And and then there was a what I believed to be a potted plant. It was dark but I think there was just like some table with some kind of pot on it and and I believe that's where he finished off in that moment. Turn away from you or was he still looking at you when he finished off. I don't I don't remember. Just remember knowing that he was definitely done any point during that you describe some of the feelings feelings but were there any other any fear anything else or or you said discuss you said pathetic. Yeah I think also just shock. I mean this was a guy who's this titan of Hollywood. Everybody knows who he is. It was I was kind of shocked that he was this brazen You know he this we we were in a restaurant. I mean his friends are sitting upstairs. It wasn't like he dragged me to a hotel or somewhere you know that he knew it was private. He knew that if he got me downstairs ears in this building that he would have a chance. And that's when I realize like this is the first time on that so you said Ah when he was finished you said can I go now. And he's he said Yes let's go. Let's go upstairs like nothing had happened. And he walked me upstairs ears and my girlfriend was coming down the stairs What I found out later was he had a guard at the door either? His driver or a security guard or whoever was with within a guard at the door. Who told my girlfriend cannot go down there? And she said my friend is down there alone with Harvey Weinstein. You're telling me I can't go down there. Are you going to explain. Lean that to the police and he let her down so she was coming down just as we got up and she said are you okay and I said we're leaving and I grabbed her arm. Then we ran out of there and I told her the whole story in the cab ride. Did you tell anybody else that night or later. I mean this was not something I kept a secret. I was so shocked that Harvey Weinstein is huge. Movie producer is restaurants all over New York City. Unlike pinning girls up against the wall to me as a report like that was a huge story. Did you think of pursuing this in journalistic way no for many many reasons number one. What's the evidence? He never touched me. There's no nothing on me I would go to the police and say someone in front of me. You know okay. I just want to put this out there. You know again. I'm former prosecutor defense or any as in that vein. I'm thinking you had your friend trying trying to go down to guard blocking the door. The Front of the guard have conversation. Finally the guard lesser through. She comes down the stairs. You're like we're getting eating out here. That is a statement that would come into evidence it will go into evidence but keep in mind. This was ten years ago. He was untouchable. I did not work for for him. I did not have to see him again. As far as I was concerned it was just one of those crazy things that happen in New York City. It was a story that I told everybody I knew about but the idea of going to the police with it. I didn't see how that would benefit me at all. You see what I'm saying like the fact that he was this huge famous guy was the shocking part to me But I never felt like I needed to. I never felt like I wanted some some kind of justice out of this. I was just stunned that that had happened did. Did you ever actually know anyone ever recommend to you to go to the authorities or anybody. No one no and keep in mind. I work with all the people news. No you told people always yes. I told everyone at my station. He called my station the next day. I was sitting in my office the next day. That was the weirdest portable this sitting in my office the next day. Because I'd mentioned I'd worked for news. Twelve long the island and I pick up my phone Harvey Weinstein online for you. He called our assignment desk and I was like I thought always calling to apologize. Obviously and she gets on the phone he said. I just wanted to call and tell you I had a wonderful evening and I said really and he goes. Yeah I would love to see you again. I think I made it clear last night that I'm really not interested in any kind of relationship with you ever serious boyfriend and I think that's the last time we'll be seeing each other something to that effect. I remember being like polite. But like what the hell and he said. Well I'm going to going away for a couple of weeks. I have to go to Hong Kong and Blah Blah Blah and Blah Blah Blah. But I'M GONNA I'll renew when I get back and see if you've changed your mind. And then that was the last. I heard of him from him. So okay so you didn't hear from after that no and I know after news twelve. Where did your career go from there? Her afternoons twelve. I got hired back at Fox. News Channel as Overnight Anchor reporting and for Shepard Smith Show and I was was covering breaking news on the overnights and I stayed there for about two and a half years until I'm yeah until I I moved out to La. Because I got a morning show job in L. A. and I've been in La for eight years when I moved to La. I would tell people this story. Worry and the reaction was always the same that's harvey that sounds like Harvey. No one was ever shocked. No one was ever like why. Why do you go to the police or why didn't you know one? That was never a reaction. I got from anyone so when I came out. That's why I was so shocked that everybody's like you. Didn't you kept this this quite I didn't keep it quiet. I told everybody this wasn't some dark secret. I had you know. Captain Sunk down. That was traumatizing me. I literally told everyone and anyone when when his name came up. Did it traumatize you. I mean the Act itself was not fun to witness. No woman wants to wants to be in that position but of course I was young at the time and it was a different different time and so I blame myself from most of it. I kept thinking. Like what signs did I give him that. I was interested knowing what you know. Now wow regarding the accusations against Harvey Weinstein. Do you still blame yourself. No no all right. We gotta take a break right now but up next. We'll have more of Lawrence Yvonne Story Follow Court. TV Live over the air uninterrupted. If you're watching television with an antenna just rescan your channels now to add court. TV AND GO TO COURT TV DOT COM to see the exact position and more ways to watch court TV in your area. Okay Folks Quick Nick Recap here. Lawrence encounter with Weinstein. It happened back in two thousand seven after that she moved to l. a. established her life there where where her Weinstein story was something that she would basically tell anyone who would listen especially when his name came up but the reaction she got was always. He's well that's just harvey then in twenty seventeen. Everything changed so learn. I just want to go through the timeline October. Fifth two thousand seventeen was when the New York Times expose came out and then I believe it was tober ninth just four days later were you. You were the first accuser to go on camera. I didn't even know that I didn't know it was the first accuser. Go on camera. What precipitated decision? So I saw the New York Times article and I thought to myself. Oh finally someone speaking of about this guy. I knew it I knew it all along. When was when was someone going to pipe up about him and I was so proud of those women that took a lot of risk talked the New York Times and I was so proud? Your Times published the story because for years you've been hearing hearing about him covering up stories about himself and smearing women that dared accuse him of anything. And so. This was like Hallelujah. Shortly the after that story came out his apology came out. If you've read that apology it's absolutely bonkers. I mean it's so absurd. We'll how so you feel part of that apology. which stands true? Today his statement has consistently been that he denies all all allegations of non consensual sexual encounters. When you are Harvey Weinstein and you run Hollywood and you are inviting writing young actresses to come meet you where they believe that this is the make or break moment of their career? I don't believe they are able to to give consent in that in that environment. There's just too big and abuse of power there. I've always felt that way and so when he came out and not only didn't apologize but said that these women were lying. That's when I really got angry and like I I said I had told so many people that story through the years that I was getting phone calls that night. Saying don't you have a Harvey Weinstein Story and one of those phone calls or messages came from. I'm a reporter named Charlie who who wanted to publish the story and I said I said okay. Don't use my name. I'll do it anonymously so I told them the whole story and he called me back two more times and said I think that the story will be much more powerful if you use your name because because you're not an actress never wanted anything from him he can't use. You know that scapegoat that you're just trying to get into a movie as as a journalist I think it'll be more powerful username and I spent that whole night. Contemplating in thinking about it and I was really on the fence about it because I didn't want don't want forever my name to be linked to this guy thought on the other hand you are journalists your journalist finding new evaluate new. I knew how much more powerful it could be if I lend my name to it and so I said yes. An article came out on that Friday and I thought good it'll be buried in the weekend and people forget about it by Monday. And that just wasn't the case I mean and when that article came out just got flooded with requests and one of the people that reached out to me was Megan Kelly. I knew her from Fox. I trusted her and so I agreed to do the today show and tell her my story. What was the aftermath for you after speaking on camera well? Initially all of these women came came out of the woodwork. To Talk to me and say the same thing happened to me at work. The same thing what happened to me when I was young or what I mean there were so many people with similar stories like this and then I began to get to know. All of these Weinstein victims that you'll remember started coming out of the woodwork. In droves I mean you couldn't even keep up with all the names that came out with stories. Currently my list is approximately eighty seven accusers. So Oh can you tell me. Approximately how many accusers you keep in touch with you. I think it's about Oh all of us. Keep in touch. We are all on an email thread. Maybe there's thirty or forty on that thread give or take the crazy thing is we. We range in age from someone in her late sixties. I think sixty eight sixty nine and twenty two years old so this was a three decade long. You Know Predator. I mean he was doing this forever. The reason that he continued to do it for so long was because he had all the power he had all cards. Women were terrified of him and when they weren't terrified when they were brave enough to come forward and try and do something about it he shut them down on. He called them crazy. He blacklisted them from Hollywood. He had Siamese out on them. Hiring Israeli intelligence forces He worked very very hard to keep all of these secret. So what happened with you in your career. What was happening at that point when you were you were at Fox? La An October twenty seventeen year the morning show anchor Fox la. I was a contributor beater on the morning. Show yeah I I was Fox. La When The New York Times story broke out. I remember in the newsroom and I jumped up and I said Oh my God had this is crazy. They're finally going to get Harvey Weinstein. And everybody's like Oh. Yeah Yeah we got that in the show we got that in the show I go no no I have my own Harvey Weinstein story right and literally. They were not interested. They're like now. We got ED covering it. You're fine before the New York Times article. Did you tell people at your station or wherever you're working at the time had you told. Oh okay so had anyone. Whether it's a news director or anyone senior director old like people that I work with. It was like when his name came up. I'd be like crazy. Harvey Weinstein Story Okay. So now after the New York Times expose your station knows that you have a Harvey Weinstein store. I told my immediate producer for the five pm news that night I was working on the five pm news and I told him he said. Oh yeah that's okay we have someone else on it and I was like like really what did you want to do. You think I thought I should cover the story at least because I had my own story. I knew they were right. He's sent out that apology. which which was crazy like? I wanted to cover the story but I also was trying to tell them. I have a little credibility to cover the story like they the impression when that story came out though I have to be honest honest especially in my newsroom. I don't know if this was the case. Everywhere was that it would be dead by the next week by next week. The story right right yeah. That's opposite it was the opposite. Yeah so what happened with you. So you are now we want your nose well and you're going on NBC. I called my director that night. She wasn't in for some reason that day and I remember calling her at night and emailing her and calling my agent he was like you can do this interview but just get get in in touch with Fox let them know and I was trying all day. No one called me back and I said I don't know what to do. I would either have to get on a plane to do this. I haven't heard back from Fox. They haven't returned any of my emails. What should I do and my agent told me go through the interview? It's Fox's fall like what are you going to do and so I did a bunch of interviews and again was calling my station the whole time telling them like. Do you want me to save this for you. Do you want me to come back. Do you want me to do no. We're good. We're good. They kept me off the air for about two weeks. They told me because they wanted to wait for it to to die down and then my agent called them and said what are you doing with her. You have one of the. Why aren't you putting her on the air and they said well? We didn't put any of O'Reilly's accusers on the air. So we don't WanNa seem biased if we put a Weinstein accuser accuser on the air. I don't think it's the same thing but okay fine so after two weeks. They put me back on the schedule. But I was not doing any of the jobs I was doing before. I was only on weekends shifts or undesirable shifts and covering the the de-block stories says he liked to call them. You know like a dog bite out in Santa Ana or something. It wasn't it wasn't the job that I had been doing for the last seven years. So you were covering less newsworthy stories. Less a serious stories. Yeah and then and then they just cut down my time and I can tell that my news director was clearly angry with me. I tried to meet with her several times but she she didn't until I just wasn't on the schedule anymore. They never said I was fire. They never said they just said. Oh we have enough freelancers. We're full this week. We're full this week. Take so I tried to get a job somewhere else. My agent had going on meetings and and it was tough because he would come back to to me and say things like well you make people nervous when they google you and all they see is accuser of Weinstein. They think to themselves lawsuit or this is going to be someone. I can't speak openly with. I mean there's still a lot of men that run a lot of companies that made me a sick that I didn't think I did anything wrong. I've never gone to. HR In my life. By the way I mean this wasn't a workplace scenario. It was just something that happened to me. Randomly did anyone at Fox ever admit that you were essentially taken off the schedule at some point because of your wine see connection. They didn't admit that they'd said that. I piss people off by talking to Megan Kelly before my own station but the truth was I tried even the the morning anchor Edwards. At the time he knew the story and he kept asking them. Why are we having more non? Why are we having all these people that we don't know interviewing we have Lawrence? He's right here. Why aren't we interviewing her? And he said he wasn't given an answer so I guess they didn't want to openly say say that they were punishing me for it. But that's what it was but it wasn't just them because I tried to work other places and I would hear from people like have you Google Yourself. It's all about Harvey Weinstein. I said Yeah I know. Unfortunately they're like well. You know people who who a large lawsuits and get money. It's just not a good time for us to be hiring people like that and I would say I'd never was a part of any class action I mean. I'm a journalist so I made sure that I it wasn't getting any money wasn't part of any class action wasn't looking for any money. I only wanted to just validate these other. Women's stories wasn't trying to gain off this at all. But because I guess lumped together with with everyone else that's all they see or hear what's been going on with your career sense because that was so you're saying 2017 the rest of twenty seventeen twenty eighteen gene. This continued I worked at a I got hired at KABC radio. And I did a talk show with Dr drew for about a year and I love that show that I had nothing to do with with Weinstein. Or anything like that I've just been trying to piece together. Freelance work since then. And I've gotten it. I'm stayed on my feet but it pains me to know that this will affect my employment opportunities because my name will forever be attached to this infinite up next the rest of my interview with Lawrence Yvonne. Oh for more court. TV Watch it on cable over the Air Roku or go to court TV DOT COM and streaming live gavel to gavel coverage. wjr catch up on the big moments from our current cases and relive some of court. TV's most historic trials court. TV your front row seat to justice. Today we'd be listening to seem as powerful interview with TV journalist and Weinstein Accuser Lawrence Savan. Here's here's the conclusion of their talk. Can you think of any way that that something can change that or you can change enjoyed. What has to happen for this to not affect your career going forward? The effect on my career is not my worst fear. It really isn't I mean. Figure it out you know. I'm I'm doing it right. Now is a shame that it had to happen. But you know when we see Harvey Weinstein Dining Out in New York City places. where he no he knows Paparazzi? We'll see him. When he's showing up at young actors studios the exact demographic he preyed upon on its reason arrogance that really angers me you know I know you're innocent until proven guilty? I know that but it just seems to be a bit much to be parading around town before his trial At the very same place where I was I was accosted at at Socialista which has reopened. I thought that was offensive. Do you regret going public Sometimes I do yeah I do but because I've seen so many changes since then. I think that you know the end was worth it. I first of all I met these wonderful women. I mean if nothing else harvey had great taste in women. Because they're all accomplished. I really genuine amazing human beings and we all help each other out. I mean to be a part of that network of women. Women is really a gift and I also love seeing changes. I mean my boyfriend. Today is an actor and he works on all the time and now they have an intimacy coach coach. Come in whenever there's nudity and scenes and I think Craig like if we could just make the place a little bit safer for women so that women don't have to feel terrified when they go to work work they don't have to feel terrified when they get a job or go to a job meeting that's going to be in some dudes hotel room like yeah that's changing and that that is a big big bonuses. Ernest the hotel room thing that has changed. Are there any other changes besides like you were saying about your boyfriend in the intimacy code. Well it's the it's the gray area that I I think we're all still dealing with right. I mean I think everybody kind of agreed and mass that you shouldn't be pulling your penis out during business meetings. That was a no. No no genitals should be out when you're meeting with perspective actresses. Don't don't wear a bathrobe for the meeting. That kind of thing we all realize was wrong but but it's those gray areas where we're women just kind of felt uncomfortable. Couldn't say anything you know. You want the job. So you're you're alone own an office where you're alone in a hotel room and you just feel unsafe I remember one executive said. Yeah now I have to meet everyone with the doors open in my in my office office. Thanks to you and I said Oh. I'm sorry I'm sorry that you're making women feel safer when they meet with you. I mean the it's it's kind of easy. Just don't treat women like you would any man hiring the job. Would you have a man come to see you and your bathrobe. It's it's so easy. The trial New York scheduled for January. Are you expected to testify as a witness from what you know from what I know. I'm not I did offer to the NYPD. I think because my story you know it happened over ten years ago but it's not going to be easy for anyone to watch this trial or just we're not even GONNA be able to watch it but to hear what's going on. Do you plan on attending thing. I mean sitting in the Audience Public Forum. No no I don't if the trial doesn't go the way we all hope we'll go that's the most terrifying part to me if he just gets away with it because he'll go back to doing what he's done done he'll probably find money. Start another production company. I mean he already is wheeling and dealing still. That's horrifying to me. Because does that mean there will be new victims for sure if Harvey Weinstein was sitting opposite you today. What would you say to him? It's hard for me to even I'd say what I would say to him. There's a lot of disgust and anger and And just I don't know I just I just I hate to say this because you know obviously not everything rises to the level of Harvey Weinstein and now in men are accused of things. People just want them to go away way they want the fire they want them to disappear and I think like there should be some road to redemption. Should be a way that you can come back. If you've proven that you've taken steps. To Oh combat your predatory predatory behavior but with him. Ideally I just want him to co way I I the fact that he's out and about New York acting like he's done nothing wrong and he'll be proven innocent is going to many of us. Weinstein is facing life in prison in your opinion. Does he deserve. Serve Life in prison with ninety accusers. Victims Yeah Yeah. He's ruined so many lives ruined. Lives think about you back in two thousand seven and the experience you went through and like you said for you. It was disgusting. It was pathetic. You were annoyed at it yourself all of that but now knowing what you know now knowing that you're on a group chat with thirty other accusers and so you've been exposed to almost eighty five other stories. Ninety stories has all of that made you angrier angrier. Oh Yeah Oh yeah I mean like. I said what he did to me. I didn't feel traumatized by and I didn't. I didn't feel the need to go to the police or anything like that. When I heard the other stories I realize what a real monster he was because look I'm it is a local reporter? We met randomly one night. I never had to see him again. But if I felt that my entire career rested upon pleasing this man and having to do something that I absolutely would never ever do except for the fact that I thought that was my only option. Just imagine how that can destroy. Destroy a person. I mean there were women women that have really promising careers in the business that were completely shut down after this either because they said no and they were blacklisted. Or because they said said yes and they were forever traumatized and haunted by by what happened to them of all the stories that you've heard all the accusers that you've met do you. You believe the accusations one hundred percent one hundred percent. I mean there's not a single story that say That doesn't sound like Hammer. This doesn't sound like him. I mean his grooming process was really the same for all of them. You're so talented. I see so much promise in you. You come over and read scripts with me. I just want to see you here. I just want to see you there. I need to talk to you privately because I want to mentor. You want I mean this went on with with all of the victims. Nearly and for me you know it was it was a quickie you is only fifteen minutes of grooming or maybe a half hour so chitchat but but yeah he had a pattern and he knew exactly what to say to make a woman feel comfortable initially in order to get them alone. Unbelievable believable as sitting here seem a great interview by the way and and listening to. I still can't believe that someone would do these things. Things don't understand. Do you want to say on behalf of all of us a court TV. We're really grateful. Any time someone sits down with US and talks to us about very disturbing and Painful memories and very personal. I mean some people it's difficult. It's difficult to talk about this stuff but We're really grateful awesome. I mean to me this gives I think everyone who's been following the Harvey Weinstein Weinstein case some insight. You know. 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Interview with Tom Kelly

Alley Chats

21:09 min | 7 months ago

Interview with Tom Kelly

"In Lima. Chance today I have Ernest Tom Pelly with me. If you guys could see what's actually going on here. At My side here I actually have a couple of Thomas pieces up on the wall. I think they're fantastic I I love I. Love Your Art Tom, so I'm really excited to have you on. And I hope that the the audience gets his excited wants to. Once a little bit of work on their walls to so, Tom Tell us about yourself on the Chicago. Based common book artist Neil, straighter the living here in downtown Chicago since about two thousand. I grew up in Pennsylvania northeastern Pennsylvania. That's where I got my. Undergraduate degree in graphic design I got that. Home College williamsport Pennsylvania home of the Little League world series. Victory Proud of well, it's. Most places in Pennsylvania. It's dislike okay. It's a hell, so. At least you can look up and find some geographical thing. There you go. I studied there for four years and got a degree in graphic design and I worked for two years after that. Essentially making I worked for a commercial printer for year, and then I worked for A. Publisher. Essentially a rival to the phone books Donnelly Directory they used to do. The roadrunner Wiley Coyote. That was their mascot. But. Essentially look phone books I. We make phonebook cats, yeah. After two years out after doing that for a little bit. Wasn't exactly the most creatively fulfilling so I went to. Further my education I went down to the Savannah College of Art Design skied down in Savannah. and. That's where I studied cocker bugs in. It was duration. I was. Down there for about three three half years finishing of that working, and of course we're there while also starting to work freelance during illustrate for gaming companies and other companies like. And then about two thousand yoga. Yeah about two thousand and moved to Chicago. And been living here or saints working as a freelance comic book artist. Go. That's pretty good background there. Now you don't have it's coming, but you don't have a specific Tom Kelly comic book yet right now. Most of the stuff I've done has been work for hire for other companies. Like I've done stories in our for like. Oh yeah comics in skokie. I've done things for them. Don Different books for DC comics image comics on a dunk covers and interior art pieces for like Dark Horse Comics and A couple indie people I know as well as. A lot of work for gaming companies. was is the coast Lego and stuff like that, not really ever my own. My own actual physical comedy. I've done a few web comics online. I Don a choice comic adventure comic. Years ago. But nothing actually usual physical imprint. Yeah, well I know you from the art prints who sell in order to Sally and they're just so striking, and even though you are working in other people's characters generally. It's. It's not anyone else's style that I'm seeing, you know what I mean so I just really I. Really Love Your use of of I guess we'd say shadow and light. The way you. You get so much emotion out of like I have A. daredevil piece I'm a big daredevil fan. That you did, and it's really just an outline of daredevil standing on top building, and it says everything to be man. It just really works so. That's something that I know you for is that, but then I also did see you branch. You were doing some other things when we were at the last kind together. I saw you doing some other like you had some some things that definitely look like they might fit with. A little bit of just really cool so and we will get to it because you do have a book that will be coming out, we'll. We'll get to that in a minute. Just hold your horses there Tom. So with this pandemic, everybody's kind of stuck inside right now the the cons are shutdown or postponed and I know this is a big. Source of connection, and I'm sure income for you. Are you supplementing this or you're doing commissions online at all? I am taking commission. Commissions. People can contact me through either Tom Kelly art on instagram or through my website, which is basically my begin our site, which is Tom Kelly art dot. com. Use Message me there and I'll I'll? Take, commissions for. Monday for nonstop whether you want Prince or something fun for kids I really run a whole spectrum because I'm sort of more of a a more of a traditionally trained artists like in the academic sense, so a lot of the things I went to school war. We're just tools in the tool kit you had. A weird time period like hot yaws born in seventy two. And you know my parents were older and Mike. The, story track that I figured out go. US I would study graphic design and end up working for an AD agency has an in house or guy, and basically be doing a variety of art odds whatever they would be coming across myself, so might be a magazine a children's book at might commercial storyboards accent yet so? I really kind of developed a broad skill like tool side that I pick and choose for projects and and like. With the children's stuff usually you want. Children's these to be friendly, huge soft inviting. A Relatively simple and easy to read then when I do my illustration work. Does the president seen? That's more conic and slicker and it simple, but very complex the same time. and that's more geared towards what you might see for like. An album, cover or a magazine or book cover, Sure Yeah. Good. Description of what you do, because I I it's, it's really accurate Now I did mention commissions, but you also mentioned Devi Art you do have quite a catalog on their people can order prints from you at any time. I've been on that site since about ten thousand. And it's still sort of like it's. It's easy to use, and that's why like. And it's a great place to create a page and warehouse. Your work make subsets so I have a folder an area that superheroes Iberia. That's just. Traditional Black and white art. I have a section. That's children's are, and so you can go through, and there's a lot of stuff in a ton of stuff. is going. As, opposed to my instagram, the which I do host on very regularly. But it's not as easy to categorize. Navigate the things. You're interested in it, right? That's more for people that just kind of leave through and see kind of what's going on your your and art is. It's an amazing patriots, just a ton of stuff there. and. It's cool that people can order it so. Great Great Great, so do you have like a patron? Some nut how they beyond setup right now. Leave. Set it up. A within the next month or two because. It's a necessary thing and sometimes you just put off. At. Z. Shaw I've Had different blogs and websites at a certain point becomes a real challenge to run and stay on top of everything. Sure so I tried to I mean when invasions. It wasn't as problematic because I can meet people connect their. Give them my direct contact, information and kind of go that way now since that environment doesn't exist in the. The moment, yeah, I will be developed. That will be creating patriotaid probably at the end of this month to be able to facilitate better with people call so when that happens. Make sure that you tell me and we'll. We'll add all your social media links into the show notes, but will definitely add that I can add it two months off we need to. Definitely get that in there, because like I said I. I think it's really worth people checking out what you're doing and supporting artists like you patriotic and kickstarter in different crowd funding sources right now become so vital. Thing so you have a kickstarter coming up, tell me about. All yes. kickstarter kicks off in July. It's called the it's called foot fist Frankenstein. It's and you're right. You're writing android. Wrote and illustrated at I did have on a letter I did hire letter action letter to? Marshal Dillon. Known him, he's. You know he's worked for Marvel in DC. He's a very good professional guy and I brought him on board to helped me some chores, but it's pretty much. Yeah, the means story and art all comes from me I wrote it drew it in a tell me about the book. The book is the biggest centre fine. It's a combination of all the things I loved as a kid, so growing up a loves your monster movies and monsters, comic books and you know come through here certain Usubov that it's basically the story of a monster who, after finding a piece after wandering around and finding finally finding peace and happiness has that ripped away, and then that leads them down a path of revenge sort of like I like. John Wick meets the hulk a lot. Come from theater that all sounds good to me, man. It's easier to do a story yourself. If it's some of its things, you like to draw and rights and are familiar. Sure, and like I said those you. The influences all come from the stuff I grew up with so it naturally flows out of things that I like to draw as well as on. A simple story to relate so when does this kickstarter go up? The kickstarter kicks off July first. It goes live on the first of July excellent excellent so once again I'll share links into the show notes and. Actually. This is an exclusive for this show. It's the first time were relaunching show from our network called. Go Fund this and when Tom's book is going to be kick started. We will have tom on there. As well will ask different questions so maybe getting a little more depth on this stuff, so those of you that are interested in what time does definitely stay tuned, pay attention and watch for go fund this to hit because we will absolutely be featuring Tom in that first week. Of July so top with all these cons that are canceling postponing being held back one. What do you think is the best way for people support creators at this time? Only the best way to support creators is to find out the ways the creators are on either taking on commissions or selling their bugs and supporting now. I know a lot of artists like you. Said Have Patriots. Many many others actually have their books, unusual formats, either through their own sights, wrong places like complex. Where you can just go by and have it your being through the Internet down to device those are all probably the best ways that we all can support each other in the things that we like. Yeah because I mean really. Reach out to creators, look on either instagram or their websites or other social networks. See what they're doing. And then you know, see look and see if you can support the now. Cool so here's a here's a touchy feely question for you. Tom This is your dream cod. Who are you most excited to meet? Dream. Dream! And I'm not throwing. Throwing rules on this. It's a dream. Most. Jack Kirby. Jack Kirby Jack Kirby. I think so far while we want to talk to him. Yeah, I would say so far out of the what have we done? Twenty five episodes of this? At least a third of them have been Jack Kirby. That is pretty impressive. So. You never had a chance to meet him now. Unfortunately I mean I did go to smaller shows when I was a kid, but. Conventions were slightly different environment. Professionals really didn't travel too much. Go to a lot of shows so. By the time I started like tabling and doing shows semi professionally professionally John. Kirby already passed away. So there is no chance I could ever actually need in person yeah? I've met I need. I've been trumped. Elevators were standing weeded out seven times so. Gal. Awkward like I contact with the man, so a lot of people who? Are Allowed craters were alive I've actually met interacting with the shows. Some capacity, but Jack No could never get home, so I'd I'd love to sit down and. Talk to and listening philosophy on stuff. Yeah I. Have a I have a funny Stanley Story. I never got to meet him. We were at a convention, and I had at Edward with me. Who was doing this week? In Geek with us, he was a teenager and. Stanley was going to be signing and I said you know what he's getting older. This might be my last chance. Let's go over there I'm GonNa meet him finally after all this time. All these conventions I'm GONNA. Go say hi to him. I mean come on a podcast called enough said you think I liked Stan late, and so we are walking over, and I can't remember which artist it is, but it was a big marvel artist. We're walking over and this guy, catches. Edwards. Edward starts talking to him just real briefly. Like Oh look here. My books and I go I'm like okay. Well I guess it will be the next convention. And Edward finally turns around these like Hey. We should get going. You wanted to meet Stanley and I said I take my finger and I point and I go. I don't think we're making it over there just as I do that. Stanley walks. Within a whisper of my finger. He walks right by me. And I just said I'm not getting a chance to meet Stanley and he kind of looked like it was like right out of the movies like. And he kept walking and I was like that was my big chance. Encounter was Stanley. It's not as awkward as being seconded elevator with him, but that is by. One experience where you dislike you might. Four other artists are all sitting there all play. You want to be cool, and you want to be respectful someone because like you're just in the hotel. Rawal afternoon shows going up to own right. Throw stuff in a room and then go out to dinner and you know ruin their at. It's like. How do you break the ice? What can you possibly say? The doesn't sound like you the biggest by Nerd in the room and you just kind of like. You just gotTa like. Elevators yeah, thanks for what you know what he knew. He. Walks out. They clothes never. See. You become that Saturday. Live bit where like. You remember what he did. Spider man. That was cool. Look like so you just. kind sit there and just kind of keep cool. Yeah, right? Awkward silence in the you like. Being why like to think I almost punctured a lung, because I had my finger out there, and he almost walked into it, and at that age it could have done him in could've been the guy. I mean his doctor doom. So we're else could check out your work. You said your website you said DB and are. Like social media are you out there on? Most social media. Mostly under my name Tom, Kelly art. On Tom Kelly Arte Tumbler on Tom Kelly art at instagram. you follow him on facebook under a Tom Kelly art this look up Tom, Kelly, Chicago and I my face will come out. My eyes will come up. Other than the website. those are really the main areas right now. Then people can reach you through those two Eyeso-. I'm reasonable on all of the platforms. There's no there's no barrier dead air. Very cool and you're. You don't have a tiktok channel going. No Take Taco. Three or youtube channel none of that. Well. showed actually Dave Dorman does his live drawing I fall into that rabbit hole also here for two hours watching him draw I mean it's. It's amazing well as you can have the little you know ratchet arm here I have I have amount i. mean it's coming. It's a it's again. It's it's. When Roz knows you didn't need have nearly as big an online. Right right? Yeah, everybody overnight has to become a an internet marketer. Get it. All right Tom you so much, please. I encourage everybody checkout Tom Stuff order stuff from time I. Love the stuff I have I. Really do so. We will have you back on on. Go Fund this in July. In the meantime. Good luck, stay safe and everybody. Please check Tom stuff out. You can find Allie chats on facebook by searching for at Ellie Chats. You can also visit us at our webpage s mg pods dot com slash l. e. chats for winds to all our episodes of other cool stuff, one easy way to support our show to rate and review chats wherever you listen to your podcasts. Those ratings really help us out and help others find our shows well La Chances produced and edited by Rob Southgate for Southgate Media, group. Be sure to subscribe to Allie chance because you definitely don't want to miss an episode. Thanks again. Where affiliate sponsors hunter. 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23:51 min | 6 months ago

The Money Men - Caulfield racing review

"Welcome to the bunny. Man Name is Julian joined as allies boy Benny Clifton from the sports trading floor as you wake being Benny. Good wake. Obviously, the story of the week is the Mass Spain made mandatory. Head you with your mask wearing this week? That's ridiculous you are. What are we? What are we going here? That's anyway. That's title Roy vessel you to be Larry with. Sure people have issues with it or something, but anyway hopefully we're wearing masks actually really thrown. You're actually as completely open the offbeat. Treasure this week four corners last week. I think it's on after the show usually. Four corners last week day. Roar terrifying real pace on the Italian. situation the COVID nineteen over there, and just in the health department. What the doctors and nurses going through? Got To watch it. It's so brutal okay, and for the people doing an amazing job for the people. Tore Stra. Hats off, but we can do up wearing it moss caufield track. Do you think applied played great thought? At five maters when there's no winded coffee is probably the fares track in Melwood. Authority you could win from wherever. In saw. Win on the inside as well so authorities pretty fair in general, do you? Off Brilliantly played absolutely sensationally. Vince alqadi sent the toy story, so thanks for that put into our database crunch the numbers and it's rice as a genuine good for no problems with that whatsoever. Let's crack on rice one even tempo here a tenth of a second and so I'd standard. Time Benny Twenty, three, four, five, eight, twelve, flat, last, four, hundred glass, two hundred. K. and probably the story of the rice is the short price favourite heavy dance. Well he's very very good last up, but woods very plain on Saturday. Very disappointed are thought you say. The white loomed into the rice off that good. decision guy back was probably vindicated that it was a good Tampa. And at the three or made them occupied, probably thought it was still going to win and last hundred meters at Laden aren't enough. It's pulled out with an injury because it has had injury injuries in the past, but it's very hard to back from that. Always concerned when I heard that they were going back. Gate thought the the money for the whole suggested. It was going to go forward, but Are Thought the why the race pay the it was probably in a decent enough spot and it and it was very disappointing for one year. I think you bring up. Some really good points affected at lighting. Sort of that lasts four hundred meters is usually so as there is, there is a problem we know. This horse had a really long layoff. Inches to say what the price in came junior came come out with resource, but as you say, it's always tough to back from that job. Going forward. It's so sold in the market. Do you trust at market going forward or is there enough to to note to not worry better for the rest of the camp where we speak about it a lot, you've got to trust the with these horses so to ten into a dollar eighty, so that's the positive sign for the horse obviously doesn't run up to the market expectation, heavenly emperor, six, fifty, two nine now is saying. Father to seeks screaming twenty eight to twenty six, we talk about the pros wanted to I wanted to play with evidence, and they just got this one horribly wrong. We Sco I. Mean are twelve months ago. This would have been heavily supported the raisin being the person that's left fixed odds market Dr Nick all is wanted to back. They imports I up. When they first industry, it done over seven furlong plus. Back Horses Well obviously not happening this week with man. In Chris Wallace pulling not really a bidding. Can't you find some stables? If another state will had this horse in their camp, there might have been some early money for which would've prompted other more support for. A lot of the pros they wait to safety any money for the night back can really snowball and start a lot shorter, but in this case Chris and not really abating camping, and there was no late from the market for these Walla I just want to mention some stats for him. He's a Camp I. Find it very difficult to get a hit or and especially in Melbourne last twelve months thirty nine from three, hundred, forty, going in eleven, percent last six months thirteen from one hundred and sixty going ike percent. Far from. His lost twenty, three young at twenty two percent, Puglia in moments in. Maybe he's got this camp and foreing so just be careful of that, but it's definitely gotten better than what has. Chris Wallace Stat says well. He's never going to try that winning percentage. To twenty percent. He has a lot of. Which? Vying but he's also stay which take a few runs to hit the so those runs effective stats. Yep. Let's get into rice to hear Benny. This was a good fast run rice. Point six of a second inside standard time now he's the worrying part. Twenty four I lost four, hundred, twelve, twenty two loss to one hundred, which is both the worst of the die for both sections there. But flinders river cut the inside. rondos. A really good Rod Cute Rod from Craig I thought, and it wins the rice. Before these preparation good, I ran behind saw, which is a very promising. Hayes Horse Improved into its second outrun Craig Williams went on so really good set up for this rise in the money in the market really fanned it. Did as we talk about the pros with I knew here ten dollars, Wednesday afternoon the six dollars fifty Saturday morning, and then heavily gaining to five dollars fifty gets the job done saw allies since sensation whatever you WANNA call. Such noise action sensationalized. Three, ninety to four dollars forty and Zesty Bell for twenty hundred four dollars forty, but bark wanted to be with this winner through. On that horse, Finance and I'm not even GonNa try and side, but day of deliberately nine that to affect the rice calls. Possible interesting you did mention. Ice Is Rice at these flinders river came I. Want to just talk about this with the pundits pounding team follow that Rice had seen Dan that ice our one fourth since one. The Rice V was flinders river. It's one the rice seeks is coming out, and since ran third in an in another rice near the pro derive, and not a Zach second and third have yet to run again. Look for those two horses. The market loves these rice. Democracy love to Horses Bay with him. Rice three, and only a softly run rice. Here Benny but Acosta Standard Time. Twenty two six to last four hundred, which was the best of the day and eleven seven, which was very good. And she's safe got out in front sort of back to a dry tracks and positive signs to be honest, absolutely smacked him. What do you think of these rights in general? Originally thought going into the rice tie that always concerned about the Reis I. Now come out of and guy. I think the win is gone enormous for it. I'm worried about the rest behind them. Behind because I've got a theory because these maize rice. As we talk about him every way, can we? We always say how they know good. The. Not Good but they're not a rice to follow and I. Think the case they can be against the same to you. Get a foreign, the horses who? Taught Tom of their preparation and again I'm that really well so evenly. Matched talent was the met much more importantly May. Seven to seek, so we know the pros like a bit off the map. That's what the K. was there, so it was good support for air campaign straight ten to three dollars nine hundred dollars. Good I up, but I didn't want to part of its second up. Propel I'm going to get to it in a minute and river jewel eleven into seven so good support for river jewel, but runs seeks propel three to four dollars eighty finishes fourth. I did some work on propeller, so horse that. Punches, always one obey with and again puts a sort of flashing law sort of running fifty. Three wins from seventeen. Obviously, that concerns me fifteen times. In seven races started under seven dollars. We talk about it every week that you want to be with. Such lie percentage plays horses. They get back in the field and propels a bit of money much these days, absolutely right for it was over the staying journey, and this was at a pretty good tempo, this rice, Benny, half a second inside Standard Tom, twenty four, zero, four, zero, six and the average, but this is over the staying journey. And how emotion two-horse, paying off thirty five days off, but it didn't matter especially in this kind of camp. We'll talk about that camp a bit lighter, but. This is a good performance I thought. This is also back into made and when it got. Scripts improve improving every run on. They're trying to particularly with the person. They trying to get as many runs in their three year old campaign as possible while they're up and going picking off a fair bit approach money so. Think. She moderated their ceiling or she'll probably go for a spell. Try Comeback Light Spring early summer, but Of going to be Stein horse of SETAI quality, but nine zero anything above that, personally for the market perspective, grinning ally, three seventy two. Ford always runs fiefs off that. If it went rented Kramden Lord Boozer on rocks at four dollars eighty. It's a horse ran pretty well percent three twenty three dollars eighty finishes second again it runs well and emotion sixteen to. Another ponting teepee for the punt is August. Think Ma and EST is you need to bonus them? In twenty, four hundred plus rice and Rice was just short, twenty four hundred meters, but for the sake of the argument. Last year twenty two from ninety seven, going at twenty, two and a half percent, twenty four hundred meters plus Navy career is going around sixteen percent sixteen seventeen percent. So already there at high base, and then that's actually going when you get to twenty four hundred, plus so I think that's came. You can trust staying Janney just tonight on purse. Authority was the runner rice I- kilos ahead to give the win was lifting front to early or think and I think this is the horse who's got a real chance to be horse going forty. OUGHTA Majete gophers pound because he's been up a long time. I think he's the edge of all the horses in this is i. think he's got the best chance of progress into a high level. You spoke about a little bit rice like oversee goes respell. Maybe it's not a huge spell because I think a rice, the Barakat, which is worth a lot of money you know at the back end of the carnival reclaim been cop something like that. He's throwing up scenes Ellie. I would have thought going forward rice five. This is an even tempo here Benny. Twenty three, four, eight, twelve, zero four home which I thought was pretty poor. Half a second hand so I'd stained. Tom This is a rice that concerns me. Yeah always on tessie he I'll start with a Jisk-. She got caught three, but this was this was the running the campaign, and this is the Tom to pay and a on on being from now on. Even though she was caught, water thought she was a little bit plying. It's very odd to improve fourth and fifth running for a whole city I've as distances. Finished has been for more near, although chassis was a good effort. Auto Mall and John Processes are trying to little philly. Overall the race. I think they've won. The race of the told me from Th The LYSA law says three year old. I think they can maybe snug. One more win- This campaign, but I've role. I think the rights given the bunch finish. K., probably not wonderful. Yeah, concern, no margins Chessy! We SORTA at first stop. It was eleven into seven. It was a really good performance, said it was in for a really good prep, so that was a good result for four fifty rich for fifty four dollars eighty only went with chiefs over chassis that was an interesting move mark wanted to play with that, and you're not the only one that fan fitness test nine dollars into five dollars, so interesting to say what the market does Knicks dot, or just WanNa. Get up a graphic of these spray pie again of these last two hundred meters, Benny and just focus on. I think a lot of paper will black book. These was Patrick Pine first up off one hundred twelve days. We've highlighted. It didn't get a lot of walking this rice and then. Sort of is probably the flashing law sort of wants. It doesn't really even get spice at all so people. I think off the videos will go. Oh, that was a really good run. It's going to be winning soon and through the law and it's pretty good. Just be very very careful about these unlucky runners these black burkas. When you then go and do the rice in review, the rice and the rice is actually pretty junk. The right hasn't gone that good overall. Just beware and Modi go back through it stuff. It hasn't really put up a figure beforehand. That doesn't have a number there that I can build off. That I think is just be careful that because feeling a of people will charge into that whole dot on business. You want an unlucky run ahead of a really good writes. Absolutely Ron Rice still finishes off. Really well runtime well goes quick. On the right thing is when a horse caught on tape on sticks on really well, it's not visually appealing to the offer a lot of people, but if you do enough, you can identify those horses because I if they get software on the next round, the. Horses to follow I think the one thing about that is a lot of people WANNA black book horses that are charging. One thing got to understanding is I? It's a low percentage. Play every dorm. If they're going to be starting back. You want to be trying to find those horses. The considering the first four out of a fast run race. What have some residual fitness? Can really then. Springboard off that absolutely so for the black book there I think I'd be looking horses in the first four or five, not those horses that are the flashing law. It's because they get bit. No because they just have a bad racing pattern over bit next starred as absolutely sure. We'll be back after the break last four races at coffee. Welcome back to the money men we dissect in coffee obligingly stike! Here Benny slowly run rice. Half a second standard time four, hundred, twenty, two nine to last two hundred eleven, which is very good for the. Well. We could wax lyrical about this for twenty minutes but China tactics for Morrissey. Last two weeks ago were very scathing of the tactics on Morrissey when they decided to go back in a slowly run race. The Race Trevy, my friend one Craig said I'm not doing that again. He's a superstar goes forward. Absolutely Brian's them and. That's the end of that. It would have been the same result two weeks ago it. Was a similar rise. If not a little bit weak- and I think sometimes trying to get off for the word Gaetan. Tell me what again on Saturday. Love the gates. Come across. Is Nice painting silence disadvantage? So they obviously got the tactics right on the fan of these horse or I think he be at a place in early next year, coffee four eight hundred meter. It's a real specialist course. Are Think. This is a horse got the magazine the end of the end of August is. The end of all correctly maybe doesn't even probably along with the whole slug straits of Avalon who comes up in a lighter rice, but They can in these races. The stays prepping for the longer rice as hosted with Rice fitness. If they can get. Later Coalfield I it could run a rice rice all that I think you have a laugh with. He's a very good, but he's not. He's not anyway need him. Or our. Time will tell it will. Run. A bit, but. In terms of market Trevy, my friend, four forty four dollars sixty. Three to four hours, twenty and eighteen Morrissey three forty little bit software to three, hundred thirty, which was a surprise knowing the change of tactics actually came through these China technically artist on understand that they didn't do a change of tactics two weeks ago. They've anyway. I can't talk. Because just doesn't make sense. He has a piggy he, so that's a positive sign for Morrissey going forward. There is just another horse that I just want to mention just apply. Booker I think he can follow these rice. It's Rivet Deloitte. It was three hundred ninety Dicey Benny. It's best over sixteen hundred meters, probably even a little bit further eight hundred maters for Lindsay Smith. Twenty six back into twenty one little bit of speaking with this group one was. Over, in the UK early on scrape host called Yucatan. I've Ramal artists recognize really good prep for these whole was probably even just enlisted. Just find a rice somewhere. I've a sixteen hundred eight hundred maters. These prep e can win foyer Deloitte. Rice seven was the blushingly. Even tempo here. Nothing to a about this twenty, two six, six last four hundred eleven, five to last two hundred, which was the best of the dice. That's positive signs, but show it should be. It was the best race, and Damian all of our fantastic ride Jesus could rice radar and we talk about it all the time. You might as well just stay in. Treasure because he's such a beauty, but. It was a good Roy to go back to the inside with. These very versatile Oliver. Obviously you can him from anywhere in the field, but just when he lays him for that last. Ronnie always say everybody leaves a little bit UPI. Slave I'll think very. Dana taken advantage of the top sprinters on Iran, the moment in as up and going at the raw at Taunsa or think wants to be better. Horses come back in the next three or four ways. I've more putting me up for a spell. He Al- He'll get fan daddy tough, but this suit in the end of the grants rice. This is these level isn't when he tries to get. We've standing before we try to get to these great one. He can run a good rise. Rise Third Force Count Atlantic Win One, but he's going really well for the camp. Interesting from a market perspective, two dollars sixty into teen Sodas Senate, I- rice die, and then just got really soft light becker that two dollars sixty, which I found interesting jungle edge back to a good track. We know what the market does. They absolutely beans at four eighty dollars finished seventh beat of support for great again six, fifty, five fifty on that Santa might fifty six fifty and straight developments. Really the horse that the market really wanted to be with seven fifty into four hours forty was first up. We know it's going to be looking at Lawrence in two weeks and also the MMC. It I thought that was a really good performance from it. We for short great great return, and it is GonNa try and take dies rice as a little bit of rice fitness age on feel the other horses who will be resuming in those races so i. think it's a really good campaign on the fraternity last year. Bates Super, said yes, we know that was the boys track on Domin Day, but it does the things that you wanted to do with seats itself on Spe, which is a high percentage play, so it's going to be a horse. It's gone over. I'm really well in a magazine. He could be a metro playing straits. Tomorrow gets getting that way according to some absolutely right site over the stain journey he this is a slowly run. Rice Heeb any twenty, three, nine, four, twelve, one I not sensational home, so to Rice at an days, alright against each other, and they might rise against each other in two weeks I think there's a twenty five hundred meter race at Flemington again. Had the plight first time Mohammadi's. We've spoken about this a little bit in terms of. What the market's order does with coins of horses. Since January tweeden's men sixteen. They've on sixty, one, eight, hundred and thirty races, winning at a seven percent weaned strike right back to every one of them. Twelve percent on your profit on your turn. You would but defies it and boy. Oh boy, the market smacked it and we don't want a few stars. The markets it as well it was. The census stable inspired money more than pro money, personally that that's how it feels to me just in that they seem to identify the the time that is ready to go and may be the pros. Jump on the back of that stone for money, but. There are bang on with these. That's a really good point. Three sixty to fifty six to four in the old and of going back through its nine winds. All those winds of just a bit been really heavily supported knowing fifteen to seven fifty on debut, then five dollars solid the at laws when it was twenty, one thousand, one to two thousand, five into ninety sold at even money to dollar, sixty solid, seven fifty four sixty that right. She talked about three races ago when it went, and in three sixteen to two dollars fifty. They knew here and this is a rice. You follow because the market absolutely knows a bit. Mohamed is w Taylor. Tactics were completely wrong near A. Closer into Tommy Flemington last rice. Solely Ron Rice here twenty eight eleven six to last four, hundred last two hundred mystery short makes it far from five. You said it no good well wins again, but did so. It was not good. Produce takes you on Saturday morning months all the scratchings came in and said Hey hairdos. Mystery shot not just laid this win. And what would your reply? Leaving braiding yes, exactly and. Not wanting to jump of jumped on these holes white to light, because I haven't backed at any of his previous starts, but I don't think much went for it. He with weekly Tangun Iran and putting pressure on. Thought Markle Road Halley's nerve and I got a gallon at the Tom and to get the job done in facing adversity was a really good result. To into a dollar sixty five, but it's regretting. Writing didn't do as good as what to starts ago, so in terms of that the going to the paddock, and that's the right move. I think it more off the cliff. I went one more so well done to the camp far from five. On Tam was outstanding standing from timing. All of hey is just such a good rice rod. He was there to bake. Mystery Short wasn't good enough, but it wasn't from lack of trying Jesus Good Restaurant Decent Austin we. Got Another rice at least camp. Absolutely, we'll be back after the break for trash and treasure. Back with the money in he attrition treasure. What's going the bean? Benny? Fitness tests thought third out. This was the time to pay. She got caught Renoir, but I can't say peaking next up. Yes, spoke about it a little bit propel. Just not doing enough from a win streak, right paw gets back. No, thank you. The other one I want to mention is the tactics on W.. Take mentioned it just with Rice. Eight Mohamed is rice. Just going to try and put it in the rice settled, really also bred Gottardi out into a really good spot midfield, and then just let the rice evolve so maybe in two weeks. If they ride this horse a little bit more positive, he'll be hard debate at Flemington. I've a twenty five hundred mates. He'll he'll? He writes one. Rose on Saturday the most disgraceful bit. Reckless bit of ever saying he came to the at sort of the later took down Andrew Atkinson hot and hazy. Andrea can comes out with a broken collarbone, broken ribs, punctured lung and a broken leg. Made me feel, seek that. Yeah, it's it's not a great look racing. In look, this is not one to. Signing! Law here I think, but he's done a fantastic job or just think he got this one wrong terribly. He'll have to cop it. It should be a lengthy suspension. Hopefully the stool can do it really quickly, but we don't want this near rising. He's done a great great things for arising here, we byman. We're not bashing him here, but got to be better than that. Sport deserves better than that and every participant deserves to be looked after. That was poured watch from a betting perspective that was tough and and I'm sure he feels bad about it and condolences to connections of hot and hazy. A bitter pill to swallow Yep Yep absolutely well said. Treasure. He just needs to stay near. He's an absolutely jet or just thought. He's rice riding in town when it got, Peyton was fantastic tactics. Marcy we put it in the trash lost Gary back into the tragedies, white stress of avalon ready for a big campaign. We'll be back next week. We now head to the valley used to be called Mooney valley, but it's cold. The Valley I think detracts going to be a pretty good condition will be back to that seething.

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Not So Super Showdown - The Spanish Announce Table - Episode 263

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Not So Super Showdown - The Spanish Announce Table - Episode 263

"Here comes again lunch will be the same old same old or are you ready to take a vacation from the ordinary with the new Jamaican Jerk Turkey sub at firehouse subs freshly sliced smoked Turkey breast crave ably sweet mustard sauce and a hint of Caribbean seasoning just five fifty five remedium save time order the new Jamaican Jerk Turkey sub on the firehouse subs APP firehouse subs enjoy more subs save more lives participating locations limited time only plus tax prices may vary delivery. WHOA this vanish announce table fates on how are you? I am exhausted Tim. I tell you what I had a very very busy weekend. <hes> I of just returned to the Great State of Missouri Specifically Kansas City Missouri <hes> I went on vacation with my significant other and her family to Orlando Florida to a nice little place that we call call Disney world and I tell you what it was G._M.. Packed with fun to have and we had all the fun <hes> got there. Thursday night came back Monday night Tuesday off to recover because there's so much fun that I had and now we're here on a Wednesday night recording. The best podcast recorded on a Wednesday night tim but before I get into my things I want to hear about your things. What were you up to or not not a whole lot man we do? We did go see some family friends. I think that are not old family friends but just friends that we hadn't seen in about a year <hes> Nicole knighted like <hes> you know and so we wind gusts couple <hes> and so we did that but we also did the shows <hes> comedy shows <hes> you know at the comedy club and Emo Phillips was in town who email Phillips's. I know the name but I really couldn't tell you anything else yeah because he's eighty so you are a little little young for that. <hes> big name unkind disappeared for Awhile homered stores that and he's just not getting back into it and he was in town and he got a standing every single show that's five shows I sit there and watch them to and every time the crowd standing right which is not what you typically get out of there just super funding is really off and really weird <hes> but very funny and then local Guy Jeremy Smith who's being a joke mania <hes> which we're GONNA go next time they're putting on a joke mania their comedy club may we'll go down there and have some fun down there. I have a little over there at the comedy McCain the city it's a wrestling themed gross battles and stuff like that <hes> <hes> Jeremy Smith Fan show so he was opening for Ema Phillips and that was fun <hes> other than that man we did <hes> swim trunks <hes> for soccer. He's trying to for the Premier League so we did a pretrial. Try Out evaluations tryouts this weekend so right uh-huh uh-huh going on serious premier league right. He's trying out for that <hes> the first time so we'll we'll see how that goes right and I don't know how we don't know anything about this place. You know how it works works so we shall see but other than that just living life in avoiding the rain and all that yeah I tell you what the rain was definitely welcomed in Florida because they were so hot. I would've killed for an hour of rain. It was one hundred degrees every day that I was on vacation so disneyworld was almost like <hes> just finding shade that was essentially the goal everyday wasn't necessarily to go on all the rides it was just to get to the shade and <hes> we did all the Rights Space Mountain so I've been to Disneyland twice and now Disney world so three Disney theme parks three times. I've been to Disney theme park. All three times speaks mountains broke all three times time ninety four ninety six two thousand nineteen. It's broke every and it was broke. All three days Thursday Friday Saturday some you should give ric flair call. I wanted to do down board. I think I was like fix this man all this ride longest line yeah. He's a King Space Mountain but you know we did all the fun things. You know what I will say about Disneyworld first off. I've never seen frozen and there was a frozen sing along. All moms know the words which makes sense rent but I like the froze the frozen it's an experience there's no ride there's to stand up comedians essentially and they tell you the frozen story except for they leave the aiding kind of open ended so for you to fill in the blink for me. I didn't know what happened so now only have to go see frozen this weekend with my niece and nephew future niece and nephew because they're emily's decent nephew so I was really I was. I liked that song. Let it go let it go. That's a fun one odysseus. This is good at what they do in in those animated movie here's here's the two things that I was disappointed so they do a great job. First off of separating all of the big attractions across all the parks to make you spend one hundred plus dollars to go to each one so like one Hollywood studios has star wars toy story <hes> and frozen and in the magic kingdom has your traditional Mickey Goofy Donald <hes> in the rides and an animal kingdom has lion king up <hes> in those things it's an essentially zoo and I think the other Oh and then epcot has a guardians of the galaxy and then finding Nemo so they do a good job of like. You're not getting everything anything here right at this time so you know I was learned first off you learn how much Disney owns right. There's just so many opportunities that they still could kill like as far as merchandise and things like that and on top happened that remember they just acquired marvel all of that so now you're you're going to get Spiderman Iron Man <hes> Captain America Thor and all those guys speaking of Disney. I was just speaking with G.. Bill for the show longtime listener Sir <hes> he will be coming through Kansas City August and was asking some things to do and after I listed all the standard things I said Oh also fun note <hes> while Disney famously I drew Mickey Mouse based off of a mouse here in the studios is working at kind of gave him the run out of that story. <hes> and I was like the building currently is you know is there's like a campaign and try to make it into a Disney Museum. I was like but you can go drive by it. It's around thirty seventh truce. I was like I highly recommend driving by keeping the doors. There's locked but yeah ju a mouse in History Oh here and drew Mickey Mouse and then all of that you know I actually took a picture of the building because they have a little Walt Disney thing on the side and in a bomb was like uncle and man thank you and I just walked right back in the car not getting into a fight here but what I was GonNa say about Disneyworld <hes> the two things that caught my attention is one and I'm just going to little tangents then we'll get into the wrestling thing but one is <hes> you know I understand. Frozen is a big thing. Monsters INC is a big thing and Disney is for the seven to ten year old. I understand that right like hundred percent. Get it however the nostalgic aspects of Disney. I feel like we're not representative more. There was no lady in the TRAMP. There's no Pinocchio for me. My favorite Disney story is kind of a lesser known one. It's the sword in the stone. If you remember that that's my favorite Disney movie nothing there except for some mugs that you can buy some coffee mugs and I got some coffee mugs of grumpy and up dog up dog but you know the dog from Doug. You know what this is a sign of you getting old well yeah it is and then the other thing about Disney that I think they could definitely capitalize on is because nostalgia astrologer is like a huge seller right. Look at W._B.. Has a retro section and I'm speaking specifically to wrestling right now but you know W._w.. Dot Com or shop W._W.. Dot Com has specific nostalgia right. Look at what we're GONNA talk about here in a little bit undertaker and Goldberg they were relevant twenty years ago right Nostalgia Nostalgia. They don't an in my opinion take advantage of their T._V. Properties because think about how much they own him just the T._v.. World Oracle family matters boy meets world to Panga and Corey didn't even have their modernise theme things out of that right yeah they can make a classroom with all of their you know <hes> go to like yours locker yeah Mr Feeney's classroom and cool that would have all the famous classrooms or settings of all the famous Disney various high schools right and you could even go with a up-to-date current shows because another thing that still huge today modern family is a Disney owned show. You have America's funniest home video. You have shark tank. You could pick your own idea and see if the sharks take Your Business Society like their T._v.. Properties I was like this. This should be here. That should be there. Tom This is this is great. Great example another great example of why now Disney should hire team Amac as well as W._W._e.. And that was leading me into the next thing that I did this weekend and actually specifically today I have heard your tweets private senior tweets. I've heard your voice. I have heard the cries and I have came through at least on my end and I applied for writer for Road O. W. E. Road at the Pencil and put it in the mail. Oh they asked me like so you know you I applied. I linked in thing where all this so. You don't have to work history. Remember talking down. Just you know I don't know do background. Check on me but there was a little part where they're like. Why did you apply for this position and I was like like look? I'm not kidding. You probably wrote fifteen paragraphs. Oh here's another I put in how there's team ex-tory time on this podcast I wrote how I have books from elementary school with me and my friend John Madden writing storylines about the four horsemen I have. I wrote everything in there. I only think in wrestling storylines when I watch football game I think how the bad guy I'll I wrote. He'll but I was like all all of this stuff. I mean as I should. I put this in their who gives us. She you shoot the shot right. Because what are the you'll be like. Oh fuck this. Here's the other thing here's the other thing I had to shoot my. I shot on that because the drop downs for the other parts of the application. I wasn't measuring up so it's like how much experienced you have composing reality T._V. Like none. How much experience do you have have writing for prime time television? Well fuck it so I went. Hey Dana warriors writing and she can't ain't even spell warrior so that is you know that's type people writing for that stuff. I'm kidding. I don't know she canonize sheep's like Nice lady taking shots because I want her job but yes so I did that also caught up on sports crazy sports weekend. Andy Res Junior upsetting Anthony Joshua Day yeah well. Here's the thing just my you know armchair quarterback. I've boxed for a few years. Never Professional <music> opinion. Anthony Joshua kept his lead hand down next to his hip. <hes> really has like super-quick hands so just that combination of fat guy with fast hands and buff guy keeps his hands down. What would you think's GonNa the happened right and on top of that India Rees is super tough and Anthony Joshua a gold medalist from two thousand twelve other than the Klitschko fight really doesn't experience opposition so the first time you feel like we'll wait a minute this this isn't supposed to happen and if you watch the fight he had that look many times where is this is happening this and and when you don't know how to deal with opposition sometimes you crumble and so I think that perfect perfect storm of super tough fat guy with quick hands and arrogant front runner it's clipped and it's going to happen also in the world sports my friend Anthony Smith <HES> <hes> one his fight in the you have seen the main event of U._F._c. fight night and Stockholm Sweden and I watched as an N._B._A.? Finals so gun sports in <hes> watched the annex t which we can talk about if you want to do them before we take because after the break we're going to talk about the next big event that everybody's waiting to see right. Oh yeah the super showdown yeah <hes> for gay journey pro journey pro. That's what everyone's talking about all right well well. Everybody should be talking about Jeremy. Why did you see the his thing went viral with with Paul out from this friend of the show? If you haven't seen it and if your friends with me on facebook go find it on my facebook page or your search germy war emails ask we'll we'll send you a link to somewhere online table show gmail.com just emails and he went viral with the lady booing them and then he pulls a chair out from underneath there and she falls right on her ass love it. It's the best <hes> yeah I mean yeah. It was or anything else. You need to ramp up that you did. Did you stab homeless anything no not yet now yeah. It's only Wednesday you know I've only been down for twenty four hours so on a guy already set himself on fire. Yeah I hear side note the so I fly into town right. I'm getting acclimated. Get off the plane driving around getting some odds and ends things done applied good for a passport so that go on my honeymoon next year did that ahead of time so because you know takes forever <hes> as I do all that stuff driving back home fucking guy apparently according to the news but I saw the car on fire gets into an argument with his girlfriend says this is fucking bullshit drinks kerosene lights themselves on fire including the caller in the middle of the road yet and I guess the friends had to get out and just so they apparently weren't aware this is GonNa Happen. Yeah what a nut so and that's right like I can throw a baseball in hit where that car caught on fire from my house. That's the Nutjob Weirdo neighborhood I live in which I love but it's a fucking zoo out here. I'll tell you what but yeah that was about my fun week in a nutshell. Do you WANNA get into any general pro wrestling topics before we take a break one big story would say the Jon Moxley Jon Moxley now after for his age e w debut had his first official match. I believe <hes> outside of the W._W._e.. Umbrella for new Japan pro wrestling. Obviously this is Dean Ambrose that we're talking about if you're not hip to his new name <hes> Albuquerque new name is Jon Moxley and as I mentioned he was wrestling in new Japan pro wrestling against juice Robinson <hes> the new Japan pro wrestling <hes> United United States champion was I didn't I w G._P.. United States champion and like. I don't know how that works over there anymore or ever. I think this is the best analogy that I think I understand and again. I'm a I'm a cash right. I'm we don't fact check and I'm very casual viewer of new Japan per wrestling when it's convenient on access t._v. or something goes viral but I believe the item you G._p.. New Japan PA- wrestling thing is very similar to when W._C._W.. Used to have the N._W._e._a.. Heavyweight champion but it was essentially the W._C._W.. Heavyweight champion. I believe that's the correlation elation here we go to I w G._p.. Is the initial ISM of new Japan progressing governing body the international wrestling Grand Prix there you go so something yeah I wasn't too far off but anyhow so Jon Moxley had his first I <hes> match against juice Robinson. I watched it as it happened earlier this morning really good Jon Moxley different look which I was. I was very happy to see he wore like M._a.. Compression shorts <hes> didn't have anything that dealt with shield kind of look to m mack but black is Kinda just ride an anarchy symbol. Yeah had a little bit more more grit. It wasn't so wacky Dean Ambrose whereas like I'm I'm going to do this or in your face a little bit more for lack of a better term raw brawler. If you will yeah brawler types status or style I should say and I was really like it. I like juice Robinson. It seems like he's I've been doing really well again. I've only seen a handful of matches of his new Japan. <hes> but Jon Moxley won the title bowed to everyone then tried to beat up the young boys as he walks out and put some photographers because apparently that's what he does <hes> those that was really good. I showing is now the only man to hold the W._W._e.. United States title which was the w w you know what I mean a U._F._O.. And the G._p.. Style nary go. I like it yeah so does a good I showing he he made his presence known and kind of a statement. I thought those early earlier made <hes> in the match was even before the match right when juice Robinson takes off his gear to get ready for the match or you know gets ready for his wrestling flea match Jon Moxley just flip them off right to space. I was like okay this. Let me <hes> transition out of this in a little bit more than we kind of talk about the you know we we don't have everything we have all the tools to talk about this yet so maybe we hit more of it next week but at the Oh seventy-five was on twitter and by the way if you're on twitter you can use Hashtag tweet the table and I might be saying your name to like the oath he said after listening to talk as Jerko with Jon Moxley I would not be surprised if for young as a new far gimmick and Siberia Siberia Vince is the problem and W._w._e.. Hashtag truth table and bring that up because <hes> there's also now this talks Jericho is put out the resurrection of Dustin is it Reynolds roads rouses. It used to be Reynolds Banal. It's what he called it on the episode either but you get the idea and <hes> and I've only heard about twenty minutes of it but he brings up that he was trying to pitch this match that went over like gangbusters you know <hes> between him and his brother and they kept saying it's not good enough to be on stage at Wrestlemainia and his point was even I can see I'm paraphrasing but if I had seen wrestlemainia shoot they put on their thing right so like like some like how does that that that means Vince doesn't like those guys and nobody many different right. That's the only happens because other people were competent to know that that would have been dam sure fine at least in the Middle Wrestlemainia and it would have been a great match. Everybody will liked it yeah. Of course they did. Cody Rhodes versus the big show for the Intercontinental Championship. You can't tell me goal does versus Dustin Rhodes couldn't happen also or cody Rhodes couldn't happen also like come on it was stupid. It's really weird but I did listen to so here's fun side note so I've already listened to the Takas Jericho Jon Moxley Interview Wade Keller did a two part interview with Jon Moxley where that one I think is actually a better interview than the first one. The first one was a good like Jon on Moxley's just going off like this is what's on my chest. This is what's in my heart here. It is the the Wade Keller to part interview had a little bit of that but it also had a hey I want to ask specifically about this and I want to know more about this and in that one John was more like hey. I don't know the answers but I know that the answer isn't that right like the third hour of raw is too much what you know. There's a lot of money in it. What would I do different? I don't know I wouldn't do what we're doing so he was more measured and. <hes> fair I guess to W._W._e.. And the Wakil Learner view but I was listening to Wade Keller interview and I got on the airplane to come back to Kansas City sit my seat you know emily's to my left this big guys to my right and there are no devices or whatever but fuck that we're going to do it anyhow so I put on play for Wade Keller and then this guy flips over his phone and he gets play in its talk his Jericho Jon Moxley and I've bumped him when I was like this he goes no shit and I was like again. This is a two part he goes really I finish yours and then go to this. He's like Oh do that so cool as right and then started listen to podcasts so it's a cool moment <hes> listen to part one apart to definitely listen to that I would definitely recommend and then as you mentioned I was unaware that Gold Dust Dustin Rhodes Dustin Reynolds whatever calling him a did talk his Jericho one so I'll have to check that out there plus thing. I don't know how long Jerko sometimes does things but he starts off with the interview which he as the non which is better than they used to do. All these like talk is Jericho baby is just get to the fucking pointed to the interview and like he's talked about. You know what I mean like a bunch of crap <hes> before we moved too much on a lot of esteem behind this they're planning making the third hour of raw now. Get a little more edgy back to the old thing. What do you make this? I mean it's clearly not going to be enough. I don't you know what I mean Edgy Wise. I don't I don't know man. Don't go bigger. Go Home Right. Do the whole fucking thing yeah. That's what I go bigger. Go home or get rid of the third hour or what you mean by we're getting edgier is at same Zane in the third hour said E. W is that what we're talking about like. What are we doing yeah so and I'm glad we're talking about all these interviews because I want to bring something up here Tom? This is this is are. We have a quest now all right Tom. We're GONNA make this happen. someway new the listeners a home. We're going to help us. This is the first year hearing of this so you're going to be a little surprised but I know you're going to be on board. What's I lay this APP? This episode two hundred sixty three of the Spanish announce table right. Obviously the next big episode would be three hundred right so that's a big deal right to seventy four hundred yet but we're wrestling fans here and we're arresting podcast so just beyond three hundred. There's an even bigger marker right three six thirty right. That is fifty three weeks away from now now Tom. We have fifty three weeks to get Stone Cold Steve Austin to interview on Episode Three Hundred Sixteen. I mean you gotTa pull this off. We gotta get fans ball. We've got to put on a A. I don't know what we're GONNA do. We you gotta come up. Maybe we find maybe fans. Give suggestions on a unique way to to to convince them or hook him yeah. That's the question is asking the five questions right. You know what I mean Cinco per figure this out. I don't care if I gotTA drive to Texas and Chevy. You have a microphone myspace. We'll figure that can go anywhere so that's the Bible Shawn Michaels. I'm GONNA drive anywhere in the world to meet stone cold. So what are we got Hashtag. Maybe we'll come up with the HASHTAG yet. Still we got a year right yeah. We'll figure this out. You guys give us some ideas use hashtag table on twitter <hes> anything else before we so when we come back from the bring me we'll we'll cover an X._t.. Takeover what we thought about that right <hes> thinking I if talks do start from the grace of God started happening but things get a little bit delayed we might not do a couple episodes so that more than a year right fifty. Thanks so yeah we will take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk about takeover. twenty-five 'cause I thought it was really good and we'll cover that and then <hes> super showdown coming up so get our picks get are are somewhat reluctant picks. I guess W W super showdown when we come back to the Spanish now stable fun fact twenty eight of the first thirty one consecutive pope's were murdered. Well now the Spanish announce table Tom. It's been awhile. I think I should remind June the listeners we've got an Amazon link on our website Spanish table Dot net. We sure do do Amazon where you can get any everything from homegoods to you know those on fish expand Y- okay yeah I was gonNA say lavish gifts. They have it all yeah. 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I had a big long discussion with emily. <hes> as we are in Disneyworld where I get confused but I WANNA make sure I'm correct or I'm wrong so they said this is the twenty fifth anniversary of Inex- takeovers correct the twenty fifth takeover but like Russell made me at twenty five they said was the twenty fifth anniversary but in my mind and maybe I don't know how numbers work but in my mind wrestlemainia twenty six would be the twenty fifth anniversary because if you do the first thing that's not the anniversary. That's the like I'm not born at one years old. I'm <music>. I'm born at zero and I go to one right so isn't the first thing zero and then the next time you do. That's the first anniversary of the show you just did the your previous the in averse serie of it yes whereas like always bothered me about Wrestlemainia to only five 'cause. They're like the twenty fifth anniversary. You're not again I was like I don't think that's right but again so you're thinking like birth to one is because you're now one year old because you've lived a year but an events like that it's I mean there was the first one it's a little bit more. Just this is more just this is only the the twenty fifth takeover they've done. Yes now. What I thought about well first off? Let me put you overhear Tim. If you really want good in-depth writing about an takeover <hes> and also Ron smackdown which will get into our superstar showdown picks <hes> re Tim Stotts instant reactions on Spanish now stable dot net tim wrote an article inex- takeover twenty-five he wrote an article about the last episode of Raw also wrote an article about this last episode of smackdown so please check that out share it with brands. It's really good flight with the website is off again. That's why I was like better. Start putting stuff up on the website and I'm going to go back in doing that stuff too because I forgot about it for a while. Remember you know we don't fact checker. Stay consistent. We do it at our leisure. Thank you for listening going. It's pay pal wink all the website by the way exactly sixty takeover twenty-five. Let's say this the first match CH- Matt Riddle Roger Strong Yeah. I don't know if there's a better way to kick off the twenty fifth and exceed takeover than that match that match hit on all levels that is the style of wrestling wrestling that I like L. is watching it. It made me realize or it emboldened me to feel the way I do but that style of wrestling is my style of wrestling so I know I caught some flack about a W._W._e.. Nothing gene with the Lucia rose and young bucks match and as I just don't like it and the reason is my style of wrestling wrestling is this big huge <hes> collage of different shapes and images and stories and moves and all of that for me the style of wrestling that I like a little bit less slapping on die but the style of wrestling that I like is Matt Riddle Rodrick strong that to me is pro wrestling two thousand nineteen and I just love loved match. What did you think I definitely it was great mansion and I kinda even mentioned that we've always often talked about cameron his face microphone in his Mouth Rudder Showings not doing it for us but man he made riddling like a million bucks here he looked off can sell was one of the main takeaways I took from this? I was like riddles. Dunkin strong look store raw so they <hes> yeah yeah great again it involved of Matt techniques but still brawling and there was still you know what I mean. After cardio they're running around felt like they were just hanging out in the middle of the ring and his writing is hard heading. It was believable it was it was viral tirol ready. I call it as a I moved. Can you could put it on twitter and it would get re tweets kind of thing. It felt like if we had a legit fighting organization that was in a ring like this like this is more of what the guy in I mean like <hes> if I mean like there'd be less throwing people against the ropes obviously but you say like this'll be more of the when they were stand up fighting with each other. This is more what it would look like well I can suspend disbelief with this type of match and not get taken out of the moment when for example deluce grows and young bucks and I don't mean to pick on that match but again like I mentioned last week when what's his name nods at the other young buck to do the move that just takes me out of the the moment the spot the reference to hold your meanwhile run up the Ring Post rundown the thing I saw that again and I was keeping that in mind that you'd already said that when I just thought yeah why didn't the luther brother just like as he had him by the hand like why didn't you just shove him off the rope like why did he wait dragons uh-huh and one of my favorite pro wrestlers currently and of all time same Zane is notorious for that move so it's not like you know. I just can't stand that say. Museum does a little bit of that as well but again going going back to this match. I thought it was perfect way to get everyone going to get the crowd hyped to not do gimmick things to where other people couldn't do it later in the night like they did everything that was good right. There was no table spot. There is no chair SPA. It was a wrestling match to where then the next match ladder match they could do that kind of stuff and it would be it would catch your attention because it was the first time it happened in the night. That's great because boy so they hit a home run. Then then the the very next pitch was another home run in this manner match this was amazing and the storytelling and it was top notch even having Jackson Reicher come out there just destroy everybody and then everybody'd be like fuck. This guy like I honestly I thought the guy that looked the best out of all of them. Including the street prophets who won the match was the forgotten son Peter this guy fucking shit. He's such a villain. The villains beat them up and he's such a bad S._e._M.. Beats everyone. You looked like he would like. He's the type of guy that would be cannibalistic eating you while raping you you know what I mean like. He just like an evil maniacal monster. You know the vibe that I got out from him. It again forgotten sons. I'm not too familiar with I know they're dastardly heels that we don't like and one of them was from the tag team that had Alexa Bliss as the manager Buddy Murphy in it but the vibe that I got specifically typically from governor or what's his name Jackson Reicher Jackson Reicher is again. I go back to EC W 'cause too easy. W that's my holy grail so say what you want but follow me here. The vibe that I got from Jackson was was the same bye-bye got an EC- W with big Dick Dudley where it was like the Dudley boys would wrestle you in the Dudley boys would do all the dastardly things but you better hope to God that big DICTA doesn't lose his fucking temper and getting this ring because then you really have held a pay and big Dudley never wrestled for title but he always fucked people up if you push them around and it felt like he was the silent leader of the Dudley boys and I kinda got like I'm hoping and I don't know again too much of forgotten sons but maybe you could do that with Jackson where he's the leader. He doesn't wrestle all the time because he has a team that doesn't forum but if you do piss them off like you said he's a cannibalistic fucking. Eat Your asshole out fuck. You know I am that is exactly the feel I get from the little I've seen of them also right like that. He is just like this almost cult leader where he doesn't have to say much people are just like what do you think of it or follow right like he's just <hes> yeah and in mismatch <hes> just the the latter spot where the U._K.. Guys are or when they suplex was yeah they suplex forgotten sons right <hes> when you had the latter on their things I just I mean that will make me stand up out of my head device Sitos like Oh my God because I thought they were going to Suplex with that ladder on the neck until they threw it and then it almost took out Colorado early and the street prophets are so charismatic those and ask you something the known and maybe I missed it and I've watched the street prophets every time of get gotten the chance to as far as I I've known of their match on inex- t I know that they were the tag champions and evolve for a while but the Red Solo Cup. I think it's cool. I like it. I have a red solo cut myself. What is it signify knowledge party? I think it's just party. I don't know if they've ever specifically addressed it. You know what I mean. I think there was a story line where somebody took it right. If I'm reading yeah I don't know I don't watch enough weekend week out of annex t <hes> typically. That's because we're doing the show here in winter on or you know that night but they are just I mean they are swag bottled up. I mean they are just us. They lead the room in the party wherever they go and it's just I mean like you can't be like I wanNA fuck and be like these. I want to go with this. Guy's going and hang on a red solo cat right. I thought the celebration I thought the match was great. I think <hes> the finish was amazing because I like that you know the Shelton. Benjamin jumped from the ropes to the ladder actually in this case finish the match hate when you do something that cool in it's a kick out at two or it's a someone else pushes the Guy Oh ladder nice touch for the forgotten son who got hit that he keeps like flailing and trying to reach for the for the thing as he's falling that was a nice touch the work that out well so I really liked to finish but my favorite part of the night going back to the Red Solo Cup is how the street profits go into the crowd and they obviously planted all of the these Red Solo Cups but he raises the Red Solo Cup and then sodas everyone else around him again going back to w it felt very reminiscent except for this cool and not crazy but when Al Snow would throw up the head and the whole fucking crowd would also throw up their head. It's a whole like we're all in this together kind of thing. That's those little details that I think just add so much to a story or or character. We've talked about that. Progressing has to live in the cool and these guys are undoubtedly like nobody even people who don't like enjoy the things in the music and the and the party lifestyle no that those guys are the cool guys right. No Oh like okay those guys right. They're doing things that al no but I want to do it with them because they seem cool and I wanted to be cool like yeah. It's great yeah and I think after those two starting matches the energy just Kinda got sucked for what probably was a decent match. That just didn't feel like it had a whole lot of two for me at least was the dream and breeze I mean I thought it was good match but I think I was just so off. The high of the first two. I think that has something to do with it and I also think the type type of crowd for annex t is not the nine year old that needs a superhero thing right like the formulaic A._B._C.. The type of crowd inex- fee draws is the smart people or the smart that are listening to this podcast or going into wrestling news dot com right and when you see current champion Tyler irks me current champion velveteen dream verses main roster rejecting tyler breeze with no real. It's huge impact. You're going to like well though the team dreams obviously winning this and in our picks last week that's what we both said you know velveteen dreams when so that has something to do with your expectation. When you start to watch the match you just go okay? This might be cool but we all know velveteen. Dream is walking out of here what the title because there aren't GonNa give it to the checked. I did like the Selfie at the end right so the handshake shirts whoever's like scripting out these is ending to the matches and other next got a nice touch. I'm GONNA give it also has to deal with the characters themselves. I think if you ask tyler breeze or velveteen dream hey of these guys fought and you know they respect each other at then what would they do. They wouldn't handshake they both know that they would do a selfie or some type of model pose. Are you know they know their characters. Yeah <hes> <hes> yeah yeah I mean outside of that. I mean I I feel about it. I mean I like the dream a lot. I don't know what what they're going to do with tyler breeze. It does feel like they've got to the same character now. I don't know what they do. Maybe they do an ebony and everything and make a tag team down there. In the next day right the models be worthy shit <hes> then you know one all of them turns on the other one and then that's you can get enough story out of it to where dream and then make his main roster debut because again he's the one that they're gonNA take off well. Yeah I just worried about like so then they come up right and then fund on it goes back and he's like what the hell the head right and then but then I worry about the dream getting comedy in a well he's kind of you know in on the main roster and everything we heard from Jon Moxley and take that for you know what it is but everything we've heard from every main roster person that we've you know her to shoot interview on at also what we see with our own is building dream is going to be a comedy off the dance yes so might as well make teen dream the leader of Fun Dongo in Tyler Breeze and have them <hes> just model agencies what the dream actually is it works well as is he's two thousand nineteen INEX- version of prince you you know what I mean like. He's just right like in. That's why that works. You can't fucking sensor that at all or work they would just enjoy for what it for for what it is now you know <hes> and then bays he's Ler Sarai women steamship match. I just Shayna baseler is awesome. Sure is not bad. Don't get me wrong this good match I again. It was like what what are we care. I think e Oh sure is better than Oscar. I think as a Japanese wrestlers female wrestlers that they have she's the money one. I ask fuck off. I don't get Oscar me sky pirate one that they Brag Harry saying yeah. She's she's like this is the one she can do. The same moves. She's got to say look. She's more charismatic to me. The way that I would start booking shane obeys lawyer though because of how shallow the women's division is is I'd stop with the it's one girl versus the other girl I I'd cut that out what I would do is almost what they did with Oscar and almost back in the day with Goldberg where it's. It's no longer who I'm taking on. That's that's second to my story. The story is check out my dominance right so now I'm beating girls in a minute now. I'm being girls with the submission. I've never done now close by K._O.. Yeah now I'm I'm doing too. That's the story I'd started telling make them tap out to a specific. Yeah you know move so good. I'm GonNa do a blindfold match. I'm so good I'm going to do fill in the blank where like Ed whoever the opponent is. We're not tuning in anymore for that. We're tuning in because like what can this girl can do everything. What does it this week? She's going to set a timer for a minute and she's not going to retaliate at all for the first minute. You get saw the offense you want. I'm only going to try to protect myself right back for one home in it and then she still beat the Shit right that'd be unique in Deir to see that let's go with but this was and then he sure I snapped and did a bad ass move with a chair and I was like well. The Falcons all this leading up an end of the math. I got his own well. I like to Shane Obeys lers comment on twitter where she said you know you boomy for the same actions that the ocean I did to me but when she does it to me you say you know don't ever stop or whatever it was. It was the I think they were saying that you deserve this. You deserve it but the hypocrisy that <hes> Siamese aim talks about on the main roster was a little bit what she talking about here. I thought that was great. I also like her cell job of after the be done afterwards and I mean the restaurant pick her up and she shelvin the ref off and just looking around like what are the fuck just happen here. You know what I mean. She couldn't like she was initiate pain but also like how in the fuck did that happen. You know like beating the fuck out of these people then all of a sudden fucking on my back what the fuck up here yeah and again and I said this in the article which you can find on Spanish nouns table Dot net but I keep saying amy tunnel like they just need to bring her up now but no they don't because what the fuck would they do in annexed t like it's weird. She's one of the best heels they have under their whole umbrella. I feel like and yeah that she's not on one of their main Rosser just odd in it just feels weird but but there's so much of constipation up on the main roster that it's you know. We didn't even see Naomi and they only I think is the best W._b.. I again. I think if you have four brands that you're running now n._F._C.. Tool five live the two main rosters right for brands that they're actively running. If you split your brains up properly your four top people will be spread across those brains you would have one of the top guys on annex t you guys onto five live but hey what do I know. Why do I know what do we get the next to you supposed to be that intermediary somme you pull that one out but whatever N._f._C. Championship Johnny Gargano and Adam Cole Bay Bay a little bit surprised Saddam cogos over you know mostly clean will say here? I mean well. It was I mean did he wouldn't. I didn't feel like there was no. I don't remember anything off the top of my head yeah. He won right clothing and he'll. He'll don't get me wrong but he didn't laugh hit him with the title with the REV was looking highly yeah. I think it's going to be an interesting story to tell for Johnny. Gargano remember before all <music>. This who's the champ because Tomasa Chop Zao Gargano and CIAMPA. We're going to the main roster so now does that mean Gorgon who's going back to the main roster because they have plans warm too because how do you he if anyone can. It's him but how do we come. I'm back from losing the title essentially clean to the dastardly. He'll that's the interesting part of what I WANNA see. The other thing that I think has to happen. Soon is Adam. Cole is just too fucking cool like there's there's a difference between being the Kevin Owens he'll where we kinda like him but he still does enough things that I wanna Boo and now Adam Cole the whole fucking crowd yell and Bay and the boom and all the shit it like he's a baby face. Now you know what I mean so we just need to do the whole and again he c._W.'s my reference point but the whole R._v. De Checkout fucking cool. I am no one's cooler than me. Don't you know it and we all go yes. It's like you don't have to you don't have to do the this town sucks bullshit like that dated out. You know he'll thing but just keep them the same and have the he'll start wrestling them. That's what I want. You just Keep Adam Cole in the undisputed era the exact same we're going to start chilling cheering him consistently and then he goes against the forgotten friends real and then you're not doing anything different for the undisputed era but now they're baby faces because fuck yeah. We always wanted him to be baby-faced. They can walk that line. You just have to book around it right. They do the same characters in and be either towards just who's the protagonist antagonists but it's it's getting to the point white were overwhelmingly. Adam Cole getting cheers right. We're all doing baby like I said we're all doing. The finger the thumb to the head saying boom were all doing <hes> fucking cool shit and the hand signals like twelve year olds. It's like Louis make him a baby already. I agree but that was interesting in I mean I thought it was good show. They always knock those takeovers out of the park. I'm GonNa Watch this Knicks inex- team because that's where we said it starts to go <hes> all right like is there enough juice to keep his going week to week. Yeah Yeah I annexed takeovers as a standalone show have always been awesome have always been great. The weekly shows have never been anything disliked but it's also never been apppointment viewing. There's been only a handful of times where they've made their weekly. Show something I have to see an announcement debut a match something but something has to happen with their weekly show for these takeovers for me to really get home. Let me pose a tweet the table to you at be underscored double underscored de says so we can give the bucks shit about being to fake but Gargano has his head spiked on the floor and kicks out to word word is cool that Hashtag with table. I am not the biggest Gargano in the ring fan. If I mean gas for that same reason I've same I've enjoyed every single one of the Champa Gargano matches because I feel like they're a little less that Redman's it. There's other matches. I definitely feel it's a lot of that young style right. It's the I'm over here. I'm over here. Hope Mahan Jump Spin. Oh we both miss kicked. Oh I ducked under oh right like like okay guys. I get your all fast and quick again again you can do you can matrix great well think about how Revolutionary Dean Malingco and Eddie Guerrero are where essentially they created the fifteen move set you know that counter the counter the counter the counter and then we stare at each other in the crowd goes crazy they started that twenty five years ago or something and now we're still doing it with the young bucks and Gargano and CIAMPA Ricochet Osprey and all this shit I just think about how revolutionary de Malingco and Eddie Guerrero Oh and the Ramos psychosis of the world art because they really started at all of that yeah I mean I think we ask them guys those people that they list as their yeah definitely I. I'm hoping that as is the pendulum swings back to more believable violence from pro wrestling that we can stop with the I hit them with three as any kicked out to like fuck off one of the things 'cause I always think about again because that's where my brain is is. If you go back to e c w one nightstand with Mike Awesome and Tanaka they fucking do everything horrible to each other right. Tanaka got a power bomb to the outside through a table but J._B._l.. Up there was giving them shit and the first thing he did with every big move is he just throws his shoulder out and he goes out at two because he knows that look the craziest coolest fucking doc and move doesn't end it and that's where again going back to that ladder match with the street profits that I thought was so cool is a fucking cool move. That's not your finisher ends the match we need to have a little bit more more of like the viral moment ends the shit. We don't need kickout it to brace it less predictable. I I know you're trying to sell stuff and you're trying to to ping things in people's sub-conscious hair her but like it irregular fight fighters don't have a finisher because that's not how fight works. It's opportunistic right like you take the moment as it presents itself in you strike however you can yeah Dan Henderson was so Torius for only doing one thing and that was a huge overhand right and he would knock you out if he won with that over handwrite eighty percent of the time but the other twenty percent was grounded pound or a submission or it was a verbal tap from strikes like there were things that he could also do maybe not predominantly you would also see him finish matches with to agree with a guy who does like the fancy himself as the smartest guy in the business a lot. Jim Ross <hes> he's right because you slow it down a little right like then you'd have to do so many of these moves. They're more believable. When you do like you're saying it doesn't have to be five hundred moves and then I see the finisher seven times and finally we you know what I mean? It happens if you so it now you can tell the story easier. It's about the story or you could just surprised me with the new move that makes me go like wow that's cool right. It can be wow that's cool and it ends it. I don't need I don't need feels sometimes sometimes and this is more of a general statement about pro wrestling as a whole but I don't need finisher two one two three or schoolboy roll up. I feel like those are the only two ways to finish a matches all I got him by a roll up one-two-three. Isn't that crazy yeah yeah. That was crazy. When one-two-three kid did it's razor Ramon on raw in one thousand nine hundred ninety five or whatever year it was another one? You have to use sparingly yeah. We don't need either roll up or finisher one to Gimme something different <hes>. That's why I thought the Kenny Omega Chris Jerk match was so cool as because Chris Jericho did a spitting back elbow he names it Judas Affect or whatever the fuckers fault any Wednesday match. That's fucking cool. I don't need Matt. I don't need the whole crowd road to camp three because they also are in on the fucking thing they can be surprised to. You know like I agree and so yeah I do feel that with Gorgon aside. I don't think you're wrong. There Be Double D. I mean unless you're a less you're saying it's okay. We should also be giving the Bug Shit Shit but I disagree Shit Yeah <hes> we won't hit Ron smackdown much because we want you to go to the websites fish unstable dot net read some of those and it was all lead up to super showdown anyway and that's what we're GonNa really talk about but we did WANNA hit on to a couple of things here the firefly funhouse which we don't think we'll make much of an appearance at super showdown boy. It got a little bit weirder this week I loved this was the fucking crazy <hes> peewee Herman Weird Shit though the thing I immediately said emily after we watched the segment because I make her watch with me because you know their ha but the first thing I said. Is that something that would be on adult swim. Yes you ever watch adult swim one o'clock warning and it's like I love but it's weird as shit and again. That's a human cartoon with the fucker watching it felt like peewee Herman's two thousand nineteen adult adult swim cartoon show. There's just so many things there's like a a pig vomiting up. It's Ebola fluids I think and then they're like Yeah Husky. The pig is Husky hair as the host says the fucking devils and then he dancing at that Wyatt. Jim Shirt has great which is for cell on Shop W._W.. Dot Com which I thought was funny and then the other thing that I think is really low. Key fascinating is it's all being voiced over by bray why it's Zayas if he has voiceover people you can tell that spray white's voice trying to be Vince or trying to be a witch well and then they snuck the one thing in there where it got duck for a second right like the again that's at adult swim thing we're like was funny any order book in a real cult leader. I don't know the Hell I'm looking at here. I thought it was crazy. Crazy cool fund loved it as fanny pack was awesome <hes> shirts cool. I might get the shirt just because fuck it. It was so oh left field interesting again. I don't know how are we going to get this to the ring yeah yeah. How are we going to get this to? The ring is a very cause to someone come to him. Does he go to someone I can think of one person firm to go to yeah because who well someone keeps cutting these dark moody promos says I want. Let's just get the shit in because you know nothing's going to challenge with do it so yes and no but the problem is your both. I think they both got plans for those guys to be on the up so you can't really I mean you don't need a Finnish. Just hadn't bump into each other. That's what I mean yeah. I'm a little the Alastair blacks of he's good right like he can his his conversation like the the promos he's cutting or good dislike. It must supposed to kick behind this guy. That's just like hanging out here in the dark room until somebody will show up confiming mhm go like would you go fucking. Pick a fight yourself out like shut. I think it's building to that. I think it's someone come fight me. Someone come fight me okay cool. I gave everyone the opportunity for one person to get this ass whooping gateway you all are fucking. He comes out there and Yellen coves coming to all of you right yeah and you just the way I would do that. Excuse me the way I would do that. Is You. Do the comedy Gimmick Make Twenty four seven thing where the battery oil you know lumberjack bullshit that they did this week and they're all fighting lights. Go Out Alastair Blacks in the middle of the fucking ring and everyone gets murdered. Everyone gets murdered. I ah lay out my idea for the twenty four seven title in in one of the articles up on pension unstable dot net also yes you deal yes but that's what I would do. I would have him and then Dan from there again. Maybe I'm getting too too to far ahead of myself and into the woods a little bit but just applied for the right to position so I'm getting into it but this is what I would do three more weeks of Alastair Black demanding someone fights them knowing fucking does it then you do the twenty four seven thing where they're all on the ring are truth in allies doing like a tug of war thing lights go out middle of the ring sitting as he does. His cross-legged style sits Alastair Black everyone kind of looks at him. He does like backroll or a front role to get to speed essentially gets to a speed. Everyone gets fucking murdered. Everyone gets stuck in chicks clears the ring he standing in the ring. We're all like Dow was fucking awesome desert sauce on that you know 'cause you'd have them. Do all the like the top level bullshit moves that he can do and then that's when you have the fuck in witch from these firefly fun houses laughing and invade paid black and you go what the fuck is vast and then you don't mention it for three weeks then you have fucking bray why go to raw and then he fucks with Apollo cruise or someone and then again another four to five weeks later Alastair Black. Maybe fucking does something in the firefly funhouse. Wait a minute was analyst your black and then we get the payoff at a huge pay. Per View is Apollo crews on the <hes> is he the new Hawkins and that guy just yeah well. You know who's a real hawkins. It feels like Sammy's aim. Tell me last time he saw museum win. Leave him when he came back to this hades fun to see same Zane. He lost a thin Baylor so tell me last time scenes things you want to match yeah good <hes>. Here's something our last week the table that is is an interesting thing that I hadn't thought of yet and it may lead us in the Super Shoda of Katie. First Lady at Kitty First Lady says unless something happens at super showdown. There's a story here that Biggie was once in Sigler's corner when he won the world title in two thousand thirteen and that is not been addressed address yet again unless something happens Friday has take tweet the table. I think that'd be awesome wouldn't that be is so super showdown Biggie Health Dolf win the title Yep Hugest fucking story they would have going yeah because guess what Kevin Owens actually didn't hurt biggies me big aegis faked it because this was the plan the entire time to get Dauphin the picture and then him and doffed back together again yeah and then even uh even the Zane and could be you know I mean running with them even like that could all in part of the plan the whole Biggie <hes> you know the the whole big. Oh like all part of the plan. Oh now it's a faction right. It's doll biggie <music> Owens Zane. Yeah I love that that even just biggie Dolf yeah as a great story to tell to just say yeah and big ease whole whole motive is yet it should have been ziglar and not Kofi Kofi. Were never good enough. I was the one that always had to carry you. As soon as you get the title I get forgotten about you. Replace me with Kevin Owens relief. I'm going to people who stayed loyal to me and you know who stayed loyal to me disguise and then you go back and you show when Ziglar one title from del Rio and you say look who was the first guy to celebrate with Ziglar it was me we've always been tight. We've had our differences but we always best friends at the end of the day or something something like that and then boom. That's what you say yeah. That'd be great. I got another theory of what Friday means. Let's get in to get into the title picture specifically. Let's not go chronological so let's go into. I because I've got a theory. The Seth rollins Barron Corden match first off Hootie GATT. What do you think about this? I think seth rollins would win this unless he made out come away with it if they somehow do a money in the bank think I could see them off but I definitely don't think Barron Corbin wins the universal title. I definitely agree with you. However I think we get something to this effect very similar to have Monday went where <hes> seth rollins is beating up Barron Corbin? We get brock listeners music right seth rollins <hes> looks to the big screen or whatever the megatonne whatever the fuck recalling it Barron Corbin then starts to get over on him because W._W._e.. Loves the schoolboy roll up <music>. Seth rollins still gets the school boil up and then as he wins he still looking at the screen. Nothing happens right so brock listener. Just what the focus eh break listeners just fucking with me. Put that come on you said Friday you're going to cash in and then you get Paul Heyman to walk walk out and you just laughs and then he goes back to the back again and then that's the end of the segment we what the fuck was at that was weird right so now let's get into the second match Kofi Kingston versus Dov Ziglar so I'll tell you I picked because it goes along with that story line you get Kofi and Dolf Ziglar do a five star. Whatever you WANNA call that match right seven finishers kickout six finisher kickout Blah Blah Blah after a long fought victory yeah after a long fought fight <hes> Kofi Kingston keeps his title right? I'm the champion. No music heads brock listener comes from the fucking crowd goes into the Ring F- Fives Kofi Kingston. When he takes that title and goes that's what I meant by Friday yeah I yes? I do think the swerve of the money in the bank cash in is that it's on Kofi if it were comes soon with these two teams I I do think that <hes> I I wouldn't even be I wouldn't even be shocked if long-term story plan for W._W._e.. Again is to have a unification where it's the universal versus W._W._e.. At summer for slim yeah and I I still out an idea there to some of the <hes> the articles on there that you should check out there. Yeah I <hes> yeah I don't know man <hes> as far as that goes with covy and Dolf off titles yeah I do think they're going to. I think there's a unification coming at some point is what I feel like and I feel like it's GonNa involve rocking that money in the bank. That's my dealing with all of it. There really is all right. Let's run through some of this card <hes> who so's revival Russo's. I think it was mostly just because I think those are the best and I just want him to win. Everything why I think they're the best and I think that if you've been watching just paper views alone it would make no fucking sense they can beat the smackdown tag team champions but can't be the non number one contender tag team on raw. They what the fuck is at about so. I think they'll win this as well. Lars is gonNA destroy the Lucia House party which just I mean come on like this past week we saw the arm wrestling competition between on and Bobby Lashley and it went back to the old school days of you know a big John Stud problem orndorff and all that stuff and that's great and I like to a lot but this just screams like this is a waste of our time. We all know it's GonNa Happen. Yeah I did like Lars finally speaking and giving us a little nugget right does not like being called a freak right now. You can use that that aplenty moving forward right yeah make him simple make him the hunchback Notre Dame where we're fucking sympathetic to this guy. I don't need to see a Goddamn big asshole burr like just make me fuel sorry for him on how to use that even with him still is a heel and the not liking you know what I mean the term freak to get some genuine heat on stuff like that but yeah I mean. I think you know otherwise I yeah I. I'm tired of the BRO because I'm Grazie is mash man <hes> broad stroman and Bobby Lashley Bobby Lashley with everything right no Braun Bronwyn everything remember the first time they did this show it it was Braun strowman holding up a fucking weird title for that fifty man batter oil and the next year he won another guy. Damn big thing Braun is Braun is the Saudi Arabian Andre the giant. You know what I mean like for the Saudis audio use their Andre the giant fifty men better oil but I don't see any listing of like who's in that thing now everyone that doesn't matter of course anyway yeah. I don't think they've listed names just so they can figure out who they can actually make they can come up and yeah. It doesn't get sick because they drink the fucking water or some weird shit. <hes> yeah stroman wins Roman reigns Shane McMahon Roman reigns with yeah. I like Shane McMahon and in charge and using guys. I'm a little worried that like drew McIntyre is not the guy they need to be using because he doesn't need that extra. You know what I mean like. He's we would if he was more the focal point right. If Shane was if the battle was Roman reigns and drew McIntyre Shane's egging it on us like the Heenan would write different story but this is Roman Shane and he's just he's Tyson Tomko <hes> you know what I mean like. It's just not working for him. Yeah the the tweak that I would make with this is make Shane McMahon the final level ultimate boss and the storyline and not have Shane be so eager to get into a match like hey on your boss. I'm not wrestling you again. I and I remember I don't fight you yeah and then could be to up. We've seen it but I don't have to Everett. He does the spear and all that stuff right like I see what I can do to you. I've wanted to you know but every time shame gets you no challenge dramatic. She's like you're an idiot you work for me. I don't do that but you lead it to a point where he has no choice but to fight Roman reigns right but I would make I would make drew McIntyre two things one I would hearken back to the shows in one when Vince McMahon said he was the chosen one I would go back more to that. Were Shane was like my dad sell something new and so do I you are the Chosen One and the second part of this and this would take longer than just Friday but I would have to wear Roman reigns almost couldn't get past drew McIntyre like Shane was was taking all of his focus that every time he wrestled drew McIntyre he lost because it was shame with a distraction or Shane with some type account down to the final boss he can't get to the final boss so that when he finally does beat drew McIntyre you're like Holy Shit. He really beat drew McIntyre and then now there's only one thing left to do buddy and it's fucking fight then Paul also then leaves drew McIntyre looking like a soup cream bad ass right like this yeah you have you know like when brock listener and Braun Strowman. It's also happened to gets buried by all loved furniture thing. That's the type of match that drew McIntyre should lose is a last man standing while he didn't really you know get these it was that his hands retired or something so believable. When that guy stands to anybody else here like yeah he should fucking the ship out of everybody yeah so I would make it more video game? Ask where drew McIntyre's that level that you took forty tries to finally beat and after you beat the game it wasn't the accomplishment of beating the game it. It was the accomplishment of that one level that took her so much that you beat the boss in one soupy like Shit. It took me the second guy fourteen yeah exactly all right Intercontinental Championship Fin Valor Andrade. I don't care what so ever like. I forgot this as a thing I don't. I'm not behind this at all either <hes> but it's been ballard no yeah Andrade wins. I think with the title let me go well. I think they said that fins the demon here because it's wrestlemainia policy say the demon yet nearby yeah so the demon always wins which again you're undefeated as the fucking demons. Why don't you just stay Goddamn Demon? Why would you risk why would you wrestle? Is anything else if you're fucking undefeated as demon dumped shit <hes> uh but I think the reason this match is not the focal point that it should be is K.. Fabian it or you know shooting here. I think fin took some vacation time and that kind kind of killed the storyline outta sight outta mind. Don't tell me day excited in Ireland or something <hes> well. We cover Kofi. Doll you think cove is GonNa win but get cashed in on. He thinks he's GonNa win. I Kofi he's GonNa win. Although I wish they would swerve Dolphin I think seth wins Ooh what have Dolf wins and brock cashes in Dolf. It's like fuck you bitch. You had this moment deny all because then yeah like the new day could ride off ziglar about that and then you'd have the new day and then Dolph Sammy Kevin Owens could fuck and take them all right yeah yeah then and then dolf would have more legitimacy to like this spot should be mind you ask guys and then fucking him and then like Brock's even like what are you going to and he's like a Shiite well then maybe he tries to scheme something. I see there's so many angles you could do that. They just don't it feels like they just don't China oh triple h Randy Orton okay so the moment when they almost broke on his balls comment was fun like goes like all right that was fun to watch and triple. H recovered well right had his own little zinger back right. It's like honestly to burden fucking <hes> but I guess I duNNo. I feel like triple. H Wins because they think the people Saudi Arabia WanNA see triple. H You know right is fucking Harley out of there something yeah. I you know whatever I think you know what I mean. I either going to go yeah. I'm GonNa go Orton just because he's still an active air quotes pose yeah <hes> triple H is lost in Saudi already right. He Lost Johnson on the show told you you know I don't know if you caught this but this is supposed to be a wrestlemainia equivalent. Show Termoli Loses Wrestlemainia too. Well you know who doesn't undertaker <hes> he's taken on Goldberg hate. I kinda. I I even say this article but that Goldberg's about was not as bad as I thought it is going to be. His promos are way better than his first run right now that he's a guy yeah and his promo compared to undertaker was like and he looked like a fucking straight bad ass fucking zip intervals like Shit. I kind of want Gobert. Go be discussing yeah. I liked it. It's GonNa be undertaker but I live right yeah. It's going to be under <hes> but for what yet I typically never did like Goldberg. I mean that's been well document on on the show too but I was like that bad Gobert House that was good in my opinion. If this was the Goldberg in Ninety eight I'm team W W this Gobert they can talk and back to nineteen ninety eight physicality reality simplistic and not over ton right like get your jockstrap strap that thing on tight right right. I was like Oh shit and I don't think that was a line written forum. He came up with said end with you're GONNA kick his ass all right well put jockstrap on what the because it makes zero sins except for a meathead former football player and you're like well yeah. That's probably something the fucking said back there when their circle jerking. I Dunno yeah not bad so maybe I'll check this out. I don't know that this is one that will catch the whole match or anything because you know it's for us here and the states. It's on during the workday. I'm a fucking working on. Put this on my second screen my second monitor under and having enough and probably watching it and right if anyone asked I'm doing you know type on my fucking computer. The trick is pull your notification screen down headphones in people and pull the notification screen screen down real quick and all that you've got to text from mom right. It is probably from me more likely but hey you know probably some stupid gift that I sent all right on that note Tom. What do you think anything else before? We close this up before we close are super show down <hes> I tyler right no van I mean this week wasn't bad. I don't think raw was bad. I don't think smackdown bad. I don't care about this. Saudi show the bid rumor is that there could be potentially a women's match because it's been reported that both Alexa Bliss and Natty <hes> flew out with the rest of the male roster so maybe we see that I guess that's cool. I mean for progress it. That's what we're GONNA say. It is <hes> need Jon Moxley. I was excited about that was pretty cool. I hope he doesn't turn into took the indy version of A._J.. Styles where you just never loses now you know I think he's GonNa take on the bad boy. Joe Legionella think he wins that <hes> which is cool and that Promo that he did on Joey Vanilla where he's like Oh. Do you think you're the one that wants to die like you. You WanNa die in the ring that was before I was here as crazy as be. We're GONNA fuck and find out we said this I think leading into we're doing our picks. Thanks for all in we said cody the hottest name you know on dependence on the independence or I think we've said biggest then we determine what does that mean right but boy dean ambrose came out gun in for that real quick yeah well. He did yeah he did the W._W._e.. Burial in the two thousand nineteen way to do it right because the way we got so exhausted of the W._W._e.. Burial was the way Damien sandow did it on impact where he's like. I'm here to make an impact because I was held down by those guys over here and it was in as geared is standing a ring by himself and it was microphone was like we've heard this nine times yeah yeah Damien Sandow. The Dow is also Christian cage was all so rhino was also a Jeff Hardy and T._N._A.. Like we heard it but dean or John Whatever we're GONNA. Let's start on John. John did it like hey people. Listen to podcasts that can be a little bit more shoot. Long form won't be so awkward. I won't do it on my own because that means it'll be yeah won't be lines and it can go viral right. He did it the perfect way and then these videos these promos that he did the first one where the paradigm shift then the smoking one Joey Danila the end in a promo he cut on Joey Danilo where it's like Moxley wrestling news is oh shit and they get. I hate to pick condie young bucks. I really do don't but the worst one was the young bucks. When did you see that these dumb fucking idiot this is the thing I don't like about like there to Meta? It's too like the melter driver right because we all know Dave Meltzer is stop being so in the bubble what they did in this quick little ten second promo is nick put out a fist and Matt was like Oh Yeah Yeah Okay and he put out his fist this and they're like eager and they're staring and then they wanted out the camera and Jon Moxley standing there and he's like guys. I'm not doing that and then he walks off because they wanted to do the shield thing and it was like hey that's what we're trying to get away from right like again and the bubble bullshit that what drew me in the interest is you guys the build up to all in and then double nothing and I and <hes> which I think is what I meant to say earlier when I call it all in <hes> is it presented itself as the cool alternative and I don't mean here's the problem with the word cool in two thousand nineteen is everybody's got their own definition for that right the comic Makonde kids have what they think is cool right. We've got to come over the new term for what I described earlier about. The street profits where everybody knows. They're the cool fucking guys in the room right right. That's what double or nothing and all in was presenting itself. Ask you guys are nothing close to that. When you do shit like that right that's nerdy dorky which learning Dorky can be calling the nerdy and Dorky realm but that's not what you guys have been presenting fas- over here right right like I've been led to believe this is the cool shit over here does going right sticking your fucking food? Well my my my aggravation with it is hey weaken address the elephant in the room that is W._w._e.. And that's fine and we can poke fun when asked right so like when cody Rhodes talked about how ugly the twenty four seven championship is. I get it right like that's GonNa get some clicks and that's relevant but let's not make take everything like we're not them like you're not supposed to be then but you're not supposed to tell me that you're not then that makes you not fucking cool. When all you're doing is poking the bear? Well yeah when you're like avenue. Make Fun of them. You're destroying just drawing attention to like Oh so you're not the big dog here right like you're the right yeah and again. It's a nitpicky thing but all the Moxley promos that one was the weakest and it's because it just was a dumb stupid stupid shot that didn't need to be taken. You don't have to go this far but there's a reason W._w._e.. McMahon don't mention their competitions right because while the fact that guy you're yeah yeah right yeah you just giving credence credence to the other fucking thing so just be you and be like Oh shit. This is fucking cool. That's wind because what if somebody news catching the Senate's never heard W._W._e.. Right and you keep mission enough. They're gonna go what and then they go. Oh my God look at this thing. It's fucking three times the size it's an international traveling circus. I love the fuck these other people all right cracker barrel bullshit could happen you. There's a reason the mainstream is the mainstream. Here's another thought I have real quick quick before we finish up here. I cannot wait until T._N._T.. Gets their hands on the fucking production of a w because again. I like what Jon Moxley described as I didn't have to get clearance from fifteen different people do a promo. Just did it in thirty seconds if there was a little thing you know messy here. That's fine because it's genuine. That's what it looks like and I agree. That's one hundred percent right however you're fucking skits like the young books did with the cracker barrel thing <hes> here the fucking wind more than I hear you talking. That's a problem that's that's laziness right now. I'm okay again. I'm okay when you know cody's being interviewed viewed backstage after his match with Dustin and you might see in the background. Tommy Dreamer walked by right. That's okay because again traveling circus it would make sense. There's not just you back here. There's everyone flight. I need to do one see what showing to hear what you're saying and number three most importantly but the other two are very important but three need to know why you're telling me these things things like those are the that's the Trinity Promo. I want to know why in care kind of one in the same I wanna hear it and I want to see it. It's all fucking things. That's only three things you have to worry about well. You know what I wanna hear what I WANNA see Tom is all of our fans ends <hes> sending a suggestions <hes> media blitz on how we can get Steve Austin to interview on Episode Three Hundred Sixteen of the Spanish announce table three weeks away <hes> in the meantime go check out the website Spanish announced table Dot net for the fresh new articles <hes> this will also post youtube videos of the podcast <hes> that kind of stuff <hes> anything else Tom for we get out of here man now man. I'm good that was my little mini. Rant is every week after hate on the young bucks. That's it's my obligation so I did it. What percentage of episodes are that? You've said something negative about the young bucks. I wonder if it's seventy plus early on. I was trying to like this really for a while alright. Thanks and I was kind of like dad whatever but then when I did the whole pro wrestling isn't a sport thing that's when it took off so good couple years I'd say forty five percent of episodes have at least one young bucks dig and I'm okay with Eh all right well. Let's see what happens next week. When we return to the Spanish announce table fun fact the XBOX xbox three sixties red ring of death was such a widespread issue nearly thirty percent percent consoles failed in two thousand seven repairs cost Microsoft more than one point one five billion dollars the Spanish announce table five our T. with caffeine caffeine from green tea leaves? 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Love, ETC

Run That Prank

11:22 min | 5 months ago

Love, ETC

"Extending X by is just fast. It's Internet that gives you peace of mind security because if it's connected. It's protected. Yeah. Even your robot back you. Can Your Internet. Do that learn more at XFINITY DOT com slash? What if you could learn from one hundred of the world's most inspiring women? Now, you can introducing Senecas one hundred women to hear a new podcast brought to you by Seneca. Women and iheartradio. I'm Kim as a rally in celebration of the hundredth anniversary of American women getting the vote where bring you the voices of a hundred groundbreaking and history-making women listen to Seneca's one hundred women to here on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. Coming up at the top of the hour right about four minutes after. It's my strawberry letter for today the subject picked me. Or Your Momma Okay pick me or your Mama Mama Mama. Mama. Gone. We'll get to that but right now the nephew is here for today's prank phone call. What do you have for us today? Nath. Love excetera. Oh That's that's the that's the that's the ATC. Etc.. I don't use I don't use etc. Lots of when I do I try to expound on Lou C. Period I. Don't know how to spell technically you. Let's go. Hello Hello. I'm trying to reach out Kaelin Kaelin. Of now she's not here right now who speaking Dr elbrick listen I was giving a car you able to leave a message for for me Yeah Okay would you let her know her sessions will be on Wednesdays at seven third sessions with? Session well, actually she signed up for class an eight week class and it's every Wednesday night at seven thirty. Okay. What what what classes are you talking about? What kind of class this is love etc. Have you heard of US know? Okay. Well, let me give you a little briefing here. Kaelin actually came in and filled out to take some classes and We're love. Etc. so we teach different things what is it like a seminar or something? Well, you we teach four play intimacy sensual massages, and things like that and she I was actually here when she came and filled out the paperwork she said, she wanted to screws up a love live with a husband. Are you her husband? Yeah Yeah I'm a husband but when I'm saying Is. It's like a like a joint thing. I'm not supposed to be there and something no no, no no this is actually heard wanting to actually I. I'm a I don't know about it. I'm assuming she wants to surprise you and show you some different things when when she finishes sessions. So when did Wendy. Come in like she came in where you're located first of all. Okay well, she actually came in a couple of weeks ago and who filled out the paperwork in the downtown area. She filled it out. She said, she was very excited. She wanted to do some different things for husband. We just ask that she gets here a little earlier probably fifteen minutes early. So she can shower and put a robot and then we can we can start class. We'll we'll. We'll. We'll shower shower and rolls that was therefore I mean you're not. You're not upset about this. All right now donald probably you know we know I mean, we married couple. You know what? I mean. So you know anything the spice slice of the marriage, but you know as far as me not being involved her going by so and you're talking about taking the Baffin robe and all the other stuff you don't need to be there for no no mess like that man well, no no. So it's nothing like that. It's basically a class what people get in touch with their with their sensitive side and you get to actually you know you learn about four play what what take? Out and you're talking about eight weeks though eight, eight we. Serve An. Even eight weeks not much. It's only one night a week. It's only on Wednesday. So really only eight sessions eight s exactly. Okay. So why why did she had to have a role though I mean watching that while she did not showing up the work with up, you have to bring your road. So everyone showers and then they put their robe on and we actually coached him through his how foreplay goes. Here's the intimacy. Here's sensual massaging no, no, no, no fan you get you get to. Ask You. Is You you you? You really not explaining yourself when though like what are y'all do like I'd. Like a classroom said if I'm in the class, I'm taking a class. There's nobody touching me anal in the cold coming off you know by taking a group showers channel would you got? Would you sound like Oh having? going. Nothing nothing like that at all, but we do come in contact with our sensual side. Now she we'll have a partner in class she'll deal with that one partner. It's not until the fourth session that we really get into some strong physical. About what are you talking about? You're talking about a partner you're talking about another woman teammate us on what you're talking about another do everyone has opposite sex partners. Yeah. You gotta be out your mind. Believe caught. Why are you? Even why are you even calling me with dislike? You have to understand I'm I. I wasn't calling trying to reach Michaela. Care who you trying to reach man you call them in my house talking about my wife also goal this partners they didn't get physical to the fourth session carrying ankle being physical at all. So basically, your wife is trying to surprise you with a good thing. Now hold on hold on. This now real quick hold on wait wait wait. What are you doing I'm gonNA call my why. That's what I'm not. You know what I'm saying she's trying to it's not good for you call. She wants to surprise you why you let me handle my wife I want to handle you hold on. This segment good through you call me back when you get this message, call me back at the house as soon as you. Know. Yeah, I she wants to surprise you. Well, we got surprised already. All right. The first of all she ain't GonNa be coming down the little sessions I. If they got. It again well, love etcetera than the downtown area. How much this thing full the cost anyway well said, she signed up for eight sessions. It's it's one session per week. It's one hundred dollars each sex he's already paid eight hundred dollars Sir. Only pay what? In full to do all eight session man I know. Eight hundred dollars a y'all she's starting this coming Wednesday well there I'm GonNa tell you that right now and I and you got any of that money. You got any money there you better be coming back with it. I'm sorry. I'll tell you y'all downtown I work downtown. So guess what I will be there tomorrow to get my mind you love etcetera is refundable when people sign up he's glass you can't change your mind like that man that's paperwork. They'll tell me about what's not refundable. What's refundable was not refundable if I feel what I'm having my money back. I would make you feel a little bit more comfortable if I was her partner during the sessions you married. So yes, you. Okay. So we have a session with your why do you wipe about my wife? My wife works with other men in the sections that. So not getting wiped off a lot of you know whatever and then we're GonNa see how you got there. Sir I'm not going to go back and forth we go back and forth I'm GONNA come down here game online. And I'm a Golfer with business, and then they'll call this house no more. All, white pick a name off the little ledger, whatever will be no classes player you. were non refundable I keep telling you that. You think you wasting your boy say I'm talking to you. I, keep telling you non-refundable. Is Not refundable. She goes eight sessions yet. Right. Right but we've already partnered her up. We already have a partner for her. Partner Department. Use Your Wife. To, clip bringing my wife. into. Wipe into the problem is you maybe you're not doing what you need to be doing Talking to. moral to come, you. Better have my money is going to be. please. What am I supposed to tell? You know, party is. The Guy We partnered up with nephew Tommy from the Steve Harvey Morning Show. Yuk. y'All. Place. Name. Tom. Tom This is it isn't that your timing I mean. Man. To Man. We got A. Man. You. GotTa, ask you come on to talk to you. What's the bad is radio show in the lane man Steve All morning so Somebody goes blank you up man. You know more party is. Coming down there. Hey, I'll tell you what Well. What our partner would show about a year knock down for body. See how you like that? Impression even had no male pocket you get your wife to be part. She's already who would department get your wife. Thirty. Eight hundred. Eight hundred, I'll be back you best. Believe you mind? Promise you that partner. Nephew. Yes. Oh Man. 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Getting Gout

The Complete Guide to Everything

1:07:19 hr | 4 months ago

Getting Gout

"This is a head gum podcast. This episode is sponsored by Keeps Hey. Tom as guys. So much of our identities is wrapped up in our hair. From how it feels after getting fresh cut to the way it's perfectly styled before going out to things that I do a lot of right now go get a haircut and then go out, right? Yeah. That's why when we get into our twenties and thirties and start noticing the first of hair loss, it definitely feels like panic time because let's face it. No Guy ever ready to go bald thankfully. Now there's keeps the simple and easy way to keep your hair Tom Two out of three guys like us will experience mail some kind of male pattern baldness. By the time they're thirty five. We're older than that. Yes Tom with this is this is getting dire for us. One hundred percent and guess what I I don't know about you do know about you. But I'm not. I'm not there yet. There's time for me and I think the best way to prevent hairless is to do something about it while you still have hair left. Yes. Before you look like Telly Savalas. Yeah which you know. He can pull that up at work, but not everybody can do that. Look used to have to go to the doctor's Office for your hair loss prescription to do that anymore. Thanks to keep Tom you visit a Doctor Online in cyberspace. And then they deliver the medication right to your Dang House in the physical world in the meet space in the meet space the and and they make it really easy. Every three months it comes say goodbye to pharmacy checkout lines in awkward Doctor Visit Guess What keeps offers the generic versions of the only two FDA approved hair loss products out there. So you may have tried them before, but you've probably never tried them for this price Tom you and I bargain shoppers one hundred percent. Look. If you're ready to take action and prevent hair loss, go to keeps dot com slash guide receive your first month of treatment for free. That's K. E. E. P., S. dot com slash guide. Hello, and welcome to the complete guides. Everything a podcast at everything I'm one of your host Tom. Tim Tim Mary during this week Tom I am full of lettuce Whoa is that a euphemism or you actually full events ladas? It's both enchiladas are sloppy food am I, right? Yeah. But here's the thing. If if you know how to approach it you're gonna be okay fork and knife don't try to. Like a monster I know but that but the thing is the Burrito is such a beautiful invention because of how you can eat it with your hands and anytime look I like enchiladas. I don't WanNa be on the wrong side of history here but I enjoy. Holding a Burrito, cradling it in my hands and I don't anytime I've tried to. If I've gotten a Burrito that started to fall apart. And I approach with the knife fork. It's no good but you're right an Enchilada I can with a knife before because it's just inherently messy. So it's fine. Yeah. To things Tom I don't like cradling a big Burrito in my hands as I'm eating it I love reason. I don't like doing that with like a big messy burger like when I used to love five guys burgers The problem is diarrhea right after no stop it sats talknet all the time big problem man I'm just telling you from my perspective that that's my big. That's why I never have five guys. It's delicious but I love five guys. But, my thing is I. Get anxious because I think I'm afraid it's GonNa fall apart. So idea put it down Oh yeah and I wind up eating. Burger in like literally less than two minutes and I do the same thing with big Burritos, right? I Never WanNa, put it down because as soon as I put it down some of the stuff like falls out of the top, and then it's not the perfect Iberians I do that a lot with I'm a big whopper on a road trip guy. And if you're driving and eating a whopper. A you're taking your life in your own hand. But you put that offer down. There's no place to put it down. But if you put it in your lap or you handed to someone, it's immediately going to start falling apart making a mess. And that's GONNA. Make it that much harder to eat while you're driving your. Your original grip has to be the grip that you stick with. It falls apart when you put it down, it's just when you pick back up your regrouping it and that just that screws up the structural integrity that you had established with your original grip. Yeah. Yeah. Keep that I grip tight be smart about that. I grip and I would suggest if you're driving don't make your first grip a two handed grip because. Trouble. Javanese they. They just had one of these stories about. The, I like talking about the news like. Like an old man. Now we'll get on I have a Lotta man things to say today as you may hear the new thing the new thing that old people say is it was on facebook. From. FACEBOOK's Cesspool. Did you see on facebook this half is I. Know I know. I would sooner take like a baby boomers word if they told me, he was on four. Chan. IVIG. Can consider the source was on facebook well, and it's like well I think at least four. Chan. Even though that's also accessible doesn't have like an algorithm to promote the worst thing. You have to go out and find the worst things on four Chan. Whereas facebook will just. facebook knows. A person look I should not be friends with this person anymore but a person that I don't even know in real life them facebook friends with that I hate that I can't stand in facebook understands that and Sansa push notifications when this person has posted to facebook because they know like wait till you see the shit, they posted today. Could you imagine in highschool somebody told you like you'll carry around a device with you twenty four hours a day in this big. Company run by this weird. Man. We'll send you notifications at the most inopportune times when you're going about your day. About somebody you hate posted something. About somebody you hate their opinion on some right. Their opinion that that machine has figured out like, ooh, he's Tom's going to have the opposite opinion of this. Let's tell them about. Parents will use this stuff. A little love. This company that does this. Well, and also. Yeah I if this were what like fifteen, twenty years ago. Twenty five years guys like well, tell me more about this device. Oh, it has a camera that is the most unbelievable camera ever seen. It plays video games that blow away everything on your current device. You can read any newspaper in the world on you can read any book in the world. You can watch any movie. There are services, Regis, pay a few dollars a month, and you can watch a movie music, Oh my God ten dollars, and any song that's ever been recorded. You can listen to but you'll primarily use it to just view opinions you strongly disagree with from virtual strangers. So it's a wonderful world we live in. Yeah, and the device is expensive and there's monthly fee associated with it. Yes Oh enchiladas I you were saying. that. There is a story that they came out with a story. About enchiladas I don't know if can tell we started talking about facebook Oh I don. Oh, talking about driving with your knees, oh. Yeah. It was a story about. How? Couple got pulled over were going ninety miles an hour I. think Canada. Maybe, and they were both asleep in their tesla with the with the with the driver and passenger seat reclined all the way both episode sound asleep. But the car going ninety miles an hour down the down the highway could you imagine having a having that much faith in anything learn Elon Musk a guy who if you crash into something you just go. Slow. They must have been pedophile. They must have been pedophile sears a me my made about it. Tom This was the first time. Eaten and she'll lettuce white. No I've never I never saw a need for them I. To exotic for you to ethnic, you know what? I didn't I couldn't wrap my head around. Saas yet is a lot of sauce. It's just it's literally drowned in Saas Yeah and to me I was just like. Click I'm a saas man. You know me they called me the sauce man while you're more of a dip guy. Saatsmen carruthers which I think the difference between a dip in a sauce is wider than you would think because at dip is You have control over dip. You don't have much control over a sauce if the if the sauces put on before and you getting pre apply a sauce, you cannot reapply dip. But. You choose how much of the dip you're applying to the to the thing you're dipping with every single day that that's what I'm saying. With the sauce I don't know I can put as much sauces I want on something but on an if you're like, well, you made these enchiladas at home. Heke down. There's a pandemic on. Well, I'm just saying if you ordered enchiladas. You get whatever amount of sauce, the CHEF teams appropriate. That's true. Yeah. No I made them myself and nobody can say a chef can't can't just mandate like now this is very dip heavy. There's GonNa be a lot of. They can try they can give you a lot of dip-. and very few chips or vegetables or whatever to encourage you I. feel like they've been doing that to me lately they begin any. A Lot. Let's. Ship. Say you're referring to the deep state? Tim? Have you been on facebook too much I. I don't know who the if there's some sort of collusion in in amongst the kitchen staff at my local takeout joints. Yeah. But if something comes with with a Chip of some sort and a dip. Their light on the chips these days in heavy on the dip. To load every chip that that's one of things I miss most about restaurants when you're at a restaurant where. You can tell you can tell when you're at a restaurant where they make their own chips and they're heavy handed with them and their free with them. You know we're the chips flow like wine. And they don't care like a good Mexican restaurant. They don't care of a really good mix really good Mexican restaurant. They won't even ask if you want more chip still just bring you more chips and that's heaven. That's my idea for nachos. Only restaurant was. It was maybe two or three different the. Very small menu and there's a few different types of of Nachos but everything came with also just aside bowl of plain chips. Yeah. That ball. That's good restaurant. So wait you order Nachos and then he side of plane ships with them. Yeah. Because don't you always want it when the when the first nachos fully loaded I'm talking about. Yeah come to your table. It's all the toppings wet and Dry Lake on there, right? Yeah. Sometimes like where's my angle here? Offers peace out there. If you have completely dry chip and you just treat that the top of those nachos seven layer dip get you started kind of cut through that. It's like a archaeology archaeologists digging up dinosaur bones. You can just kinda excavate their exactly. It's a much better situation. Exactly. I agree completely But yeah, I dismissed places with boot. They should look any place I've been to where they just freely give out chips. I love and I remember but places shoot advertise that they should advertise. We're not stingy with the chips. That could be a slogan for a place. That's GONNA. Be My Goddamn Nacho please If if you know they're all these like quick serve restaurants like Chili's and an applebees TGI Fridays if one of them just change their slogan to we're not stingy with the chips, they would become an monopoly. Honestly they would. Overnight, they would to speak on the government would have to step in. Yeah. Maybe, we should do that famously great time been a restaurant. Tim luck. This week's episode is I. Would I would say it's a very special episode of the complete guide to everything. This is like the Enchilada discussion no not because of the. Discussion him because last week people might remember that I talked about being on the Kito Diet and then mentioned that I got gout as a result of the Kito Diet. This is the first time we've had a multi episode. Character Arc. That's true. We've had topics that continue on but but honestly, the characters of Timid Tom have not not progress very much. Yeah. No, this is some great character development. This is like in the last season of Frazier Win Niles had a heart condition and they turned it into like very special episodes of Frasier. I think I tuned out by then Yeah I. Think it's like season nine. Yeah I was probably in college and. I guess I probably shouldn't be watching frazier anymore. Tabled for frazier. For the forced. The first sicko adventures. Doctors Crane Yeah. It's not so much of a farce anymore. It's getting too true to life but Yeah. So I mentioned that last week would I did not mention because it had not happened yet is that What I was calling Gal was gout ever. It was nothing compared to. What happened that night and the next day which was? Extreme Gout I. Probably not even extreme couches. Actual doubt Ho. My God. It was horrible. Tim. Now Tom Yeah. I'm trying to tread lightly here because you. First of all I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're you're you're experiencing health issues. Yeah Allah. Let me also say that I'm I'm. Like. More or less completely better now. Okay. Good to hear. Happy to hear it. I feel like this episode might be a trap. Because I feel like you're trying to set me up to make light of doubt, right? You're about and you'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA trap into being like you're gonNa tell me how many people die from it or you're gonNa tell me that like certain portions of the population are more susceptible to it. So I'm not gonNA try make any jokes. I'm GonNa give you a forum. To. Tell your story. So you don't trap me and get. I'm not trying to trap you get you canceled yes. On the on the grand scheme of things I'm trying to trap you get canceled one daddy that's. One day whole of this podcast. Yeah one day I. Hope to do that but I don't have any. dispersions that is going to happen deny tonight, just part of the gradual building up it'll be. You know like an exhibit Z. in in the trial for Tim's cancellation one day. I don't think people die from it. I can't imagine you dying from it based on what it is but. How people die from all kinds of crazy things if people die for it, it is not very. Common for people to die from it. Apparently according to the gout killer come. Well, of course, they're going to be biased him. You can die of of gapped. I that's what I said I you probably can but I don't think very many people do. As I was googling, do people die of Gout? As soon, as I type do people the first thing. The second thing. DO PEOPLE EAT POOP? Based on your previous searches Tim. So this duck duck, go my friend. Yeah. But they can they can. They're look at your Ip. Pretty. We don't like to use people's past history exception to they're they're like, we? We know for sure what this guy's looking for. Tim Will. Effect one to two percent of Westerner, stirring their life and that's not just cowboys I know what you're thinking. Yeah at first I thought. Wow, that's pretty cool town. You are pretty cool. So wrangling. With Your Chap's let me explain what it is. And why I got it through this Kito Janik Diet. It. Is An elevated level of uric acid in your blood. Uric acid is expelled through urine tim. Are you going to be mature enough to handle that? Yeah me talking about urine. Again Tom I'm. Not Making any jokes speak. Oh I guess it's not that much different than every other week. Go. Ahead. So story. You've got too much. Uric acid. Here's where the problem comes in this uric acid you're getting rid of normally through your PP. When it hangs around too long it decides to turn into crystals. Is this like a kidney stones? Yes. It can eventually turn into kidney stones. It's the same exact type of thing. But. What would what Gout is is that it? Normally happens in your feet for a lot of people in their big toe it did not happen for me and my big toe but. It's because like that's I. went to market. It did happen in the piggy went to market then the big Joe No, this Olympic you into market this little piggy came on this Olympic speed. This'll be it happened in the low piggy that didn't have roast beef and a little piggy that when we we we we all the way home, your little toe and your. Ring. Ring Yeah the toll. On all of your toes so Misleading. But if like a place is like we can have total rings on in here, I'll take them all off except for my ring to-. Right? Right. So the It's basically what is furthest away from your heart. That's where because your hearts pumps, all the blood we're. We're the year gas it just kind of get the builds up. You know it's the end of the line and it builds up and when it comes back. Yeah. But it comes back slower. You know what I mean it doesn't have the same velocity coming back from your feet as it does from like the other from your head or whatever. It's it's a little slow and it's it's leaving some some stuff behind some heavy stuff like uric acid. That turns into crystals and now tim you might think wow, pretty cool crystals I love crystals and crystals euro talking about the healing power of crystals. So yes, I'm shocked that you're claiming that crystals somehow made you sick but when uric acid in the crystals you know what these crystals resemble Tim Microscopic needles. They, basically into little tiny needles, we'll take needles inside your feet. Now when I told you yet got gout. was suffering at that time was a feeling it felt like you know when? You run a lot and you have like a lactic acid in your muscles or like you're you're working at your pumping iron. Just, you're. Tired. Now. You know that like burning feeling in your muscles. Times I, don't know I guess. It's like a burning feeling and it's just Kinda like sore. And that's what it felt like the night i. Feel like I could run like a hundred miles without getting sore. So I can't really relate but go on. That's what it felt like the night I spoke with you however later that evening I woke up in the middle of the night in unbelievable pain. The. Next day I had I swear to God the worst pain I've ever experienced in my life. It felt like somebody took my foot like a giant like Andre, the giant like my foot and just snapped it in half. Was it broken. No it felt like he was broken though it felt like every bone in my foot it felt like somebody dropped her refrigerator on my foot. From like five stories up and then I wasn't allowed to take the refrigerator off my foot. That's what it felt like it was unbelievable him. On, dear well. What I did ice it. fucking ice did. You think of icing it. I wasn't suggesting of it's just trying to. You've been talking for forty five minutes straight. I was going to interject I know that you probably iced it. That was probably the reasonable thing to do is just trying to trying to get a word in edgewise here. Well, you said, we're GONNA make any jokes I'm not making jokes I was asking you if you did the thing that you probably did I'm going to talk about the remedies tried and what finally worked later in the episode Tim that's called a tease. Wow. Okay Now, this is a bunch of pseudo say interest. You're saying like you're talking about blood velocity here. Compared to the blood velocity from your head no I mean. It's pseudo science pseudoscience that I made up. Yeah exactly. But that's not like pseudoscience just like. You haven't done any research into the no I tim. You have no idea three o'clock in the morning. I was up I would have thought I was. A graduate student at university the amount of research ailing you drag googling do people die of? Gal. Because he would have been alarmed by the resolve. Look I wasn't jumping rate to whether I'm going to die or not tim. I'm not fatalists I was trying to figure out how to solve my problem right away illicit trying to prevent yourself from dying. And then that would take care of what would knowing if people die from gout have solved ten know if you have to if you should consult an actual medical professional. I always frown upon that regardless. Nice. Gal It's been around Tim for thousands of years which I guess makes sense. There's this guy I want to read this quote from you his name was. Alice Cornelius sell us. And this is in thirty the year thirty. Good records from there. Must have. been. Wacky. Back then like, Oh, boy, I remember when that happened back in twenty one. Remember that yeah. Najim being born in the years zero. By. How old you are? Yeah. Oh this guy, this is three years before. Jesus. Bit, the Big One. That's not how it works down. Why wasn't Jesus Year? Zero know. What. That's what it is. You he then you think. Did. You think years zero was when he died. I don't know. Eighty one. yeah. I don't think there was an eight zero. CAL counters been screwed up ever since anyway this guy I guess he was like a doctor. Dr Thousand Years Ago and just trying to figure out what the Hell's going on with anything. He wrote again, thick urine. The sediment of from which is white I don't think that was urine pal indicates that pain disease or to be apprehended in the region of joints or viscera joint troubles in the hands and feet are very frequent and persistent Baba these seldom attack UNIX or boys before quite koshen. Kotas, like codeless Code Code Sex Sex with the one or women except in those whom the menzies have been suppressed have become suppressed. Some have obtained lifelong security by refraining from wine mead and Venneri. Adventurous No Bonin. Okay. So the virgins don't get it just saying. Yeah to answer your question. What was my question whether or not I'm a virgin still. Great, glad we had this conversation. But. Oh, I want to say so I was looking up like what causes it and a lot of it was like I said last week is I was in Ketosis and I guess like the the Kito. Whatever cells are like, Hey, get out of the way we wanted to get out through the P. And then you don't piano the the uric acid like normally do. You just pee more I was trying to pay as much as I could. hydrating. I thought I was, but apparently I wasn't Would can all of this been avoided if you were like super ultra hydrated. I don't know. It. Certainly can hurt. I think honestly and you're GonNa make fun of me but well, no, I'll tell you what happened. So let me. When I was looking this up, it said the top foods that can cause us our shrimp. Organ meat. Dried mushroom seaweed and beer yeast chicken and potatoes also appear related. To big problems the first one. All that shrimp Activity was free all you can eat shrimp. Man I've talked about the time I went to red lobster during a shrimp fest. All, you got out. I didn't get Gal but like. I you know I, see the commercials I can eat shrimp and you're like, well, that's interesting. I'd like to see what that's about went to red lobster. Not by myself that time. And I was eating shrimp and they tell you okay all you can eat shrimp. Here's how it's GonNa work. We need there I think like six different shrimp dishes. You tell us the first two you want. Now it's like and they sat all I can have just like variations those soon they're like, no you can have any of the six, but we just need to know the first two, and then once you eat the first one, we can get started on the third one basically. Yeah. They're looking at not waste food. you can't say you know at the start off all of one hundred shrimp. That's fair. The problem is that also there aren't any. Stirs Take Part in this deal. Because when I was having the shrimp, they were like on top of me like woody. Alright. What shrimp do you want next back? All right I guess garlic shrimp or a you had one of those. Do you want X. Popcorn shrimp and then finally I got shrimp. Blue One, hundred percent not cooked. I say guys like it's okay if it's going to take a minute and I think this restaurant was just like so used to being screened at for like. You're trying to fill a buster my all you can eat shrimp you're trying to slow me down. So they served you Russia and yes because there were like, oh, otherwise, you know this guys like anybody else that comes in for this is going to blow his top if we don't always have three shrimp dishes on his table for him to eat. Yeah one time I went to happen get the unlimited pancakes. I know about this. Bully, maybe more and more DOA PUKE that the I. 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Here here's my tip Google if you can die from Gal Gallo. Google die from it. I do have some tips. I can tell you what worked for me by the end of this and also Tom Jesus was born in four BC. That doesn't make any sense he was born in four before Christ. How? Tim. Where are you looking at what we saw eighty dot com hell dot org you can't believe they say about Jesus. Wikipedia wasn't even around when Jesus was born. How would they know? Is Or is it one of those corrections where it's like like one year everybody forgot what year it was because it was like so new. So they were like, I guess it's like fifteen, the A, and then later on there was like Nah as eleven but it's fine it is into this is from got questions dot org. Okay. It is interesting to note that the purpose of the BBC ad's dating system was to make the birth of Jesus Christ, the dividing point of world history however. When the BBC a D. system was being calculated, they actually made a mistake in pinpointing the year of Jesus's birth scholars later discovered that Jesus was actually born around six to four BC not eighty one. When did they come up with all this stuff? That I. Don't Know Twenty Sixteen. Honesty hard to believe the Ha if it's if it's on Guy Questions Dot Org and I guess I have to believe it. was just an educated guess on my part. Sit Tim. Beyond not peon enough. Why? What Caused Mike Out? And there were two things and one of which is your fault. The town I haven't been in the same physical space if you in six months. We've been in the park together and we ran into each other outside by that's true. the the first one is that I, went from. Essentially. So my girlfriend's a vegetarian and you know you're a vegetarian though like I like vegetarian food I don't mind it. So I had been eating essentially. So you're you're classic soy. I do like soya I won't I can't lie about that. I do like Tofu Louis admit that you are a classic soy sure I'll admit them a classic soy. I. So I essentially went from being a vegetarian to eating like a ton of meat all the time when I went to. Kito, south because you have to eat a lot of fat and then the Kito Diet became a carnivore. Yeah, I was trying not to necessarily. But that just wound up being easy because again like I then was not eating the same as my girlfriend. So a lot of times it was like all right. Well, I'm making food just for me and if I'm not making food for somebody else were if somebody else's making food for me then I'm GonNa just. Make. The laziest meal possible. So as not only. Meat I was eating a lot like process meat. Like beef jerky and things like that. Diet where Beef Jerky. Diets it's mostly like deceit fat eat as much fat as you can and I thought I was doing an okay job at that but I guess I wasn't Her maybe I wasn't. It just wasn't doing enough. So I'll tell you I wasn't I wasn't eating enough vegetables. That's definitely a big part of it now is that is that the part that was my fault? No. Although the night after I talked to you, I ate for dinner just a bowl of Brussel sprouts and that didn't even solve anything. The part that's your fault is that I think it was the beer I had the night I was talking to you. Not Talking to you doing the podcasts. That's what like really kicked into overdrive. Did I buy that here no. But you told me that I have to drink beer when we record or else y'all. And then you always trail off. I've asked you just the threat is implied. Leave many times not to drink during the podcast I've actually gathered in the past groups of your friends and family members. Yes. Those are bag you to stop drinking. Those aren't real real friends and family members. They don't. They don't know they. They're getting a small picture of it. So anyway, those are the two things that I think took it to the next level. And like I said, woke up woke up just in. Unbelievably horrific pain Tim I'm sending you a text right now I'd like you to look at your phone. I do I WANNA look at this look at your phone check out this tax I see it's an image. My God you're okay. See your left foot. It's a picture of your feet. Yeah. Where it's Because your your phone I know has is just full filled to the brim pictures feet. Because my feet though. I don't know. I don't know about that Your left foot seams nice normal nice. Thank you. Normal I'd say. Not Grotesque Yeah compared to your right foot, which is swollen and red the end. Frankly. Quite sickening. Yeah. And that wasn't even as bad as it looked tim, I was expecting a much more visceral response from you is surprising you at that text message. I guess it's not that grossly again. There certainly grocer pictures online. Yeah no and when I started doing research. Just to see if I was allowed to try to make jokes or if like you. To people die from couch. Yeah I saw some some some truly disturbing pictures and I figured you know what? I'll just let Tom. It's one. So that's what my foot look like and it like you could see how like my it's all like a curled up my foot. Yeah. That was that was just what it was. I could not walk on it. was like I I don't have like a crutcher Kane, but I could've used one because I. Just I. couldn't put any weight on it it, which is unbelievably painful like I said like somebody dropped her frigerator on it. But you do hop on one foot everywhere. No. I. Didn't even do that because like I know it hurts so much. I couldn't even hop on the other foot. I didn't trust my balance. So I I because you were drunk. By then I wasn't drunk that was the worst part. So I heard looking into remedies and here is a list of about. I have like twenty remedies year I tried baby like fifteen of these. In desperation I one this is in the middle of the night last. Last Thursday. The night into the morning. I one we all know this one ice. Okay Yeah See. I try. Jerk for for bringing it up. because. I wanted to. One thing. I tried ice it helped a little bit. It didn't help that much though. Then I tried during a lot of water. That didn't help that much and also then at a p a lot. So I keep getting up, which is a big problem when I couldn't put any weight on one of my feet when his park park yourself on the tear `let. I've lost too many days doing that as it is Tim. Looking. We're GONNA spend my life on a toilet. You know they spent they say we spend a third of our lives on toilets. That's. True. Of Our lives. Yeah. Tim. Learning. First Day. Yeah. Look it up. So wait does it all just like catch up at some point? He's I haven't been I haven't been. Our it's Oh. Jeez that doesn't give me much. To look forward to now. Yeah. So. Then, I used Ibuprofen. which you might know from its brand name advil. That I don't, I, don't take advil time. Jim. I can't tell you how many times on this podcast you've mentioned that you don't think aspirin or Ibuprofen work, and then later in real life or on the podcasts I, he works my God like I had some pain and I took Ibuprofen and the pain went away now it's not true. It's not strong. It's not very strong and like it doesn't. People take it too much. Oh, absolutely like it's not good for you to take a lot. Because again, give stomach ulcers and stuff it's tough on the Old Tummy But I took a you know a bunch advil that did help a little bit a little bit. It took the edge off for a little while. Then I took some magnesium, I had some magnesium pills took that to see if magnesium pills tim, I have like a pharmacy in my home. I have every type of pill you could ever imagine. What yeah. Prescription and nonprescription I don't have that may prescription drugs. But. Magnesium just seems like a weird like I could see like I got Sudafed I. Got Nyquil I got wall on Aspirin I got advil but like freaking. Him You should try take him magnesium Timmy pry don't get enough of it as a vegetarian i. take a multi. Yeah. Well. Okay. So. Yeah and I'm sure as magnesium minute. Yeah. But I think only a psychopath. Pill. Bottle of magnesium pills, it's not but. What was the game when you bought imagining just like a silver metallic pill that I? Read that made you go out and buy at. Him I. Don't know and honestly there's so many different like supplements in my bathroom that I'll look at them and Mike. I don't even remember what I ordered this for but I think you would turn you into ironman no tim would be iron pills you idiot Neil that's why I bought all those iron pills. apples and bananas. I didn't have any apples and bananas celery. have. Hundreds of magnesium pills the moment. fucking apples. Well the magnesium pills keep tim apples don't keep. Salary I did have salary I ate some seller. Really Yeah. Using the celery for I was eating the celery with like almond butter or Kranz. Yeah, well like I kidnapped advance. You can't have raisin snake in every season. No no fruit really at all again, have fruit now. See. Many carbs too much sugar. Yikes it's you know having some fruit is better than having like a Hershey's bar whatever but still you gotta manage it. Yeah. Make sure you don't have. The whole thing is you don't want your blood. SUGAR TO SPIKE RIGHT? That's what you're apt. He goes. Yeah. this Kito Diet almost killed you. It didn't must kill me but it did I mean is one of the most painful things like I said you put you in the most pain you've ever been. It was going to say it's one of the most painful things I've ever done to myself but no it absolutely it's the most painful thing I've ever experienced and it was a one hundred percent my fault. Fish Oil I took some. Some fish oil that didn't help. I'm not even done in one night. Elevating your leg. Eating your leg ever work. Yes. I don't think so. I might not get long enough when your foot hurts. Cesium pills right. I did not have ciders. Does does it accelerate to the blood? Who that kind of makes sense actually not your average was making. Making Fun of you know it does make sense savvy. I had the uric acid my foot. If I hold my foot up, it's GONNA fall out of there. He didn't have a Tom. I've been taken. A is I call it apple cider vinegar. Every night before bed. I. Never liked the idea of apple cider vinegar only because when you buy it, it's as apple cider vinegar with the mother the mother. Yeah. You gotta get over the fact that it's with the mother and that's just like a clump of bacteria. That is in. That's the thing. It's not only the grossest way to refer to something. There's also the grossest thing you can imagine yes. You shake it up enough it kind of breaks effort. You pour a couple of tablespoons into some hot water and you'll be okay. I understand why you're not doing that. You might be able to break up the mother, but he can't get rid of her. Now I mean I. I, I'm actually surprised. I don't have any of that on hand but that just always and look I understand that it's very good for you. But is one of those things that suggested as like a cure for so much that I just don't believe it does anything. Yeah, as a gag gift because I was taking. So much of it my wife had gotten me like a Hippie book about the healing powers of apple cider vinegar. Yeah and it was just like every like every ailment. Users seventy pages in the book and it was every ailment and it was like dosage two tablespoons. Right, litter is that okay. So if somebody. was minor aches two tablespoons brain cancer to. Exactly. And like so I. If I just took two tablespoons of his every day I would be invincible. Yeah. So that's why I never really trust that but I I have. If I had it, I certainly would have tried it. He ever had acid reflux Tom not? Really. Really, it that. I take it. Tonight is in the ENCHILADAS. I had a bunch of water with electrolytes. I have an electrolyte powder that I was drinking. That did a lot of powders in your in your home. Yeah. That didn't really do much either lemon juice I had. I. Did have some fresh lemons here. So sucking on lemons and drink and lemon juice. That didn't do anything. baking? Soda. Put some baking soda in a in a glass with some water and drink the baking soda that did do anything. Do you think all these remedies canceled each other out? Now, because from. Seeing it sounded like all these remedies are. Yeah that they wouldn't cancel each other out that they're either attacking different elements of this. Like some of these remedies. They're causing your body to produce less uric acid. Some of the remedies are breaking up uric acid some are flushing your system. So i. felt confident that you know what I'm just going to throw and I was a little bit worried at first because I was like I'm just GonNa take everything in them not going to know what the hell actually worked. But I was in such extreme pain that I could not give less of a shit. I just wanted the pain to go. Tim I'll tell you the two things that worked. The first thing and a surprise because again, this is one of those things that you know is is held up as a cure for everything CBD. Now I tried CBD cream. That I have see oh yeah I tried cbd cream and I try cap sin cream like heat cream I couldn't even feel it on my feet on my foot that's how much it hurt. Caps in is that is that that's a can't line. That's like what is in the seeds of like a hot pepper? Yeah. That's like the hot the IT's not icy hot it's just hot. I tried some of that's up remember I had that stuff tim when we were in London last year I had like back pain 'cause I was like. Slept Weird on the plane and I bought some like role on cream and that I was telling you like it felt like I was going to go to the hospital because Oh. Yeah you got. The Heat Green. Way Too hot. They gotta get some more regulations over there because they shouldn't be selling this up but I put it on my foot couldn't even feel it. And then the CBC cream can feel it. I. CD. tincture that didn't really do anything what worked was I had some CBD flower the actual like just pure cbd and I smoke that. Like it were marijuana itself that helped. This story. Seem suspect why? You smoked just the legal part of now idea because I wouldn't have wanted to get stoned or anything like that would have just made me like paranoid about. Then I would have been googling. Can You die from doubt? I can't smoke pot because my my baseline. Can You die from? Not. Paranoid as a step up from that no this CBD So I had it for a while because mostly out of curiosity of wow. This is wacky and just by CBD, that looks like we'd like it is just the actual flower whatever but I was like I'm so desperate that was like, let me try smoking some of this and it did it was the only thing that it did not fix it or anything, but it did help I'll tell you what your kids drugs work. Legal drugs were legal legal in all fifty states. I'll tell you what actually did work tim steroids. Steroids. Do you have steroids at your your no I did a tell. visit no I did telemedicine visit. I sent a doctor the same gross picture of my foot that I just sent you and I, said Look I've made some dietary changes and I think I've got gout. And this really hurts. Is there anything I could take for this and she said, yes steroids and she said I'll have a man come bring empty your apartment, and that's what happened and as soon as I took the steroid. Send them to you. is like a courier service like oh. Wow. How long delivery? So the the actual like. telehealth thing I think didn't come onto like nine am when I got a response I was up all night and then the first delivery available was noon. So that was when I finally and even that I was like there's like a pharmacy on my corner I should have just done there and you gotta consultation at nine am yeah. And the drugs were delivered to your door by courier service at noon. Yeah. And they say the US healthcare system is is fucked up and all I have to do tim is I pay about seven hundred and fifty dollars a month for that healthcare service that. Then allowed me to not have to. I didn't even realize I didn't speak to a doctor I sent her a text message and a photo, and she sent me a text message back saying like, yeah. All right here steroids. Nice and then gets better drugs through that way to pretty easy. Yeah, I don't know I've the only thing I've used this for is that an asthma inhaler but you're right tim I should try and see. What I could get out of this I was at the point where if this woman was like you need some opioids, our that like that sounds great I will risk addiction because this hurt so bad I just WanNa. Saw My leg off. Sounds like you're in a tight spot. Wasn't a very tight spot I can't tell you. It was unbelievable I. Can I have so much sympathy now for? People that deal with this and like. I'm not get forty. I will be sooner rather than later. But apparently it's it gets worse over forty did get gout and is the most common form of arthritis in people over forty. I watched the film. This is forty last night. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Phil I it. I saw when it came out I remember really liking it and I was thinking about it somewhat recently if like. Would this be super depressing to watch now? I mean, here's the thing I think polera is like forty seven when he's in that movie. Yeah. That was the other thing I was thinking about like he wasn't forty. and. It's also like, but also when you're watching the movie or like this guy is at forty, twenty seven. But also, it's kind of like this is forty if you're like a rich, Hollywood guy lays like. himself. He's playing just appetite essentially. So yeah, that's true Yep. Jet Apoptosis wife in that movie. Yeah. and it's just like L. era my like Vanity Record label made me. Rich. Man. And my wife's store that nobody ever goes to putting a the you know that's putting us in. Financial distress we might have to sell our giant home downsides a little bit and like that's Presented as like the worst thing that could ever happen to anybody is it present now I think that's exaggerating I may have seen awhile but presented as like the worst thing. No, it's presented as. The thing that's putting a strain on their marriage probably like which. Realize that's happened to yeah exactly. But like it's very, it's definitely difficult to be like. The stakes for viewer who is not A Rich Los. Angeles resident is just GonNa like. Buy a slightly smaller house like your house is huge and beautiful and like you're talking about your money problems and then you throw yourself in insanely lavish fortieth birthday party. Things you can do to take these stresses off like I. Feel like if people I know are having financial problems it's not like. you. Might have to move in with my parents. Yeah. I was GONNA say. I find that in in why goose I even stories in real life to that there are things where people have, what kind of store she running in that. A clothing store. Yeah. But so things like that where it's Kinda like a vanity project almost where it's like Oh, this business hasn't turned even close to a prophet in three years as like Oh, well, then that just doesn't work. And people that don't have Yeah. Infinite money or whatever earn I. Guess Not Infinite but does like deep pockets realized that much sooner and are like, Oh, I have to shift something or stop this try something else yet I look I think it's a great movie and feel like a lot of it. Centers around the problems that result from financial stress and that's not real financial. You're right because the end of the day they're still rich people they might just have to get rid of like like one of the things is Albert Brooks plays the Dad. And? They're like, oh. You lent your you secretly lint. You're dead eighty thousand dollars and that's why you're in. Trouble like he if I eighty thousand dollars to lend dad and also to lend secretly we're like, yes, nobody will notice eighty thousand dollars missing. Anyway, it's a great film, but it also feel like I still watch it as a thirty eight year old and be lake. Like man grownups lives even complex. Does he forget to see gig out in that movie at all get out? Yeah. There's a part where is like looking at his bottle right in and I don't think happens in the butthole Jesus Christ I hope not the last thing I'll say about gout the thing that I like the least. Is that The term Gowdy is a thing like a medical term. Gouty, gowdy. So like if you came with Gout at a hospital, they would say, Oh, I have a gowdy patient. He has a gouty foot. I don't. Say He's got out. Just say. Out He has gout in his foot. Yeah. that was worse than the pain that was knowing that there were couty exemple worse than the pain I've never felt I've never experienced before my life. Yeah. Well Tom. In conclusion. I'm sorry you got out. Thank you. But I think it's very funny. Look it's funny to me in retrospect like I'm I'm more or less fine. I've been having a real problem taking the steroids when I should just because it's hard. It's not of those I gotta take it every two days. It's one of those like take seven today and tomorrow take six and. So I don't I'm taking them it's fine I feel A. Like I said, as soon as I took it, I felt much much better. I slept for a few hours because I hadn't slept woke up feeling more or less normal. I'm well on the road to recovery I know a lot of people were probably worried about me last week but. Assured I'll be back in fighting form. Now. Now I'm sorry. I'm back back back. Ready for. and. If you like the show, you can find more t dot com you can check out our facebook facebook dot com slash complete guide follow us on twitter I complete guide. You can follow me on twitter and Instagram at Tom Reynolds. Phony, at your pal ten, Watt support the show checkout Patriot dot com slash complete guide where our patron is for books podcast this week, we're doing to sweet valley high date with a van with a Werewolf. 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So I think you should eat more vegetables. Yeah. Oh, hundred percent and My girlfriend was fantastic taking care of me when I was sick and then she just. Made like a huge roasted vegetable thing for dinner that night with Tahini, that like I always like to begin with. But then it was like exactly what I needed just like Broccoli and peppers. Kale other vegetables, vegetables that I like I do like vegetables. You got a funny way shown it well. There were certain vegetables I could need on the site, and then the other ones were difficult to cook and it was easier to just eat beef jerky. Since you're GONNA end this. This episode by farting loudly saw that's I. Don't think that even showed up on the final episode. Did it. Now. Get here when I muted the you. Maybe, that'll be a patron exclusive here last week's Fart. Right, CNN. That was a hit gum podcast.

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Episode 25  Tapestry

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Episode 25 Tapestry

"In today's episode of Board Game IMPAC Pack. Josh and I do a deep dive into tapestry by Stone Meyer Games. Welcome to board game impact. If you is your first time joining board game impact. I want to say welcome so what we seek to do. Here is to combine our love of Board Games and his hobby. That's given us so many great things as well as our passionate and background for full-time jobs. which is we both work in the field of education and we both apply licensed research lenses and like breakdown experiences for students and so we combine those shoes? That where. You're going to get the most out of this. My Name is Bruce Brown and I am of course joined by our co host. Host of this is Josh Isringhausen. Yeah so the two of us. I'm here in Texas Joshua's Josh's in Colorado and listeners. Have you listened to the last episode. We went through kind of this newer format which is actually not something new so if you've been a listener to the show for a while this is like back to our roots. This is where the show started. This is what the show started about. This is why Josh and I had a late night. Conversation the night of his wedding over a couple of drinks to you like let's get back to what we wanted to do with this which is like really talk about some games in depth. Don't get US wrong. We love also sharing what things were having and going on but we also WanNa go go deep on some games. House is GonNa work. Josh and I both picked a game. And so we've got one one game for tonight and then or today whenever you're listening to this and this is a deep dive so we're GONNA be breaking down this game into different areas going over the overview review so some stuff about the game the how to play interesting notes about the components talking about the artist talking about the designer the publisher what maybe as well as some of the table present stuff as well as even like what people are saying about this and pulling out some BG posts and stuff so this should be super meaningful. Then we'll wrap up with like our our personal closing thoughts so you won't get our personal closing thoughts until the end but we're going to lay out the picture so that way you can make up your own informed choices but then also see okay. How does that line up with both Josh and Bruce Josh would you mind doing the honours of sharing what game? We're going to do a deep dive of because this is a really controversial one but also like really exciting one right now bruce. This is a game that as as we record this as currently sitting at number three on the hotness on bg it is. I think been in the top ten tain on a hotness of BG for well since it was announced and this game is tapestry designed and by Jamie Steg Meyer of stone. Meyer Games listeners. Who have been around for a while will recognize thank Meyer and sandstone? Meyer Games as a frequent topic of discussion on this show as I speak for myself and I think bruises well Jamie is one one of my favorite designers of all times So very very excited to have a conversation about this game. It's been something something I've wanted to talk about for quite some time and it's a listeners. This is the main game. We're talking about so we may refer to some other games in this Because of course there are some comparisons and things like that or other games by this designer or artist etc.. But really just focusing in on tapestries. It should be super exciting waiting for you all and so when we do this we so when we do games we've been playing recently. We may have played that game a bunch of times right these games they do for the deep dive or games that either of us has played a bunch of times that being said some of these times it might be where only one person has really played it but the other person is essentially coming in essentially as an interviewer and looking up in doing the research on BG and asking informed questions or sharing perspectives. And then having really a discussion about unpacking that game this game though we have both played a number of times and I know I've played it at a bunch of player counts and so this is one of the things of this is a two for but it should be a lot of fun. So let's just jump right in stone. When Meier Games a description of the of the game so it says in tapestry you'll start from nothing and advance on any one of four advancement tracks science technology? The exploration and military to earn progressively Benner benefits. Make sensitive advancing in those things. Sorry Madman commentary there. You can focus on a specific track or or take a more balanced approach and you'll improve your income build your capital city leverage your asymmetric capabilities. Earn victory points engaging tapestry cards which well then tell the story of your civilization so tapestry is a that was the end of quote. The tapestry is a civilization game quote unquote Dig into that here in a minute. But is a civilization game that Jamie Sacramento says. He's been working on for the past five years and is finally coming out with it but Josh Sean. Tell me about the wind conditions for this absolutely so wing condition so at the end of the at the end of the day. This game is a little euro e- especially as it relates to your traditional civilization game your wing conditioned really is score the most points as in most euro games. You are going to score your points as you complete. You'll you'll play score them throughout the game but mainly your points will come from as you complete eras of your civilization and once every player has completed their their fifth era completed what is called your fifth income. So your first turn taking an income. Your last turn is taking an income allowing you to complete four eras of the game win. Your fourth era is completed. Your game is over and the person who has scored the best is the winner. Sure and so. Thank you for that Josh. So clarification there for the listeners. And going into the how to play you. Might You could legitimately finish this game in four turns where somebody else has a lot more turns or chooses to advance a different net to move move to the next era. Different Times you choose usually when you run out of resources when to move to your last era your next era. So how do you play on your turn. You get one. One of essentially two choices. One is advance on a track. The other one is take income. Those are your choices. Now within in the advancing unattractive that's where everything really comes out but how to play as you really just take one of two choices and if you're doing the choice anything to do with the board then you're going to spend resources if you're taking income you get resources but what you're essentially trying to do is figure out. How can you layer your actions in a way where they're gonNA synergy is and give you the things that you need need for later as well as how do you manage your resources so you can do the most with the limited resources you have? There's there's two other types of things in the game and that is your civilization card so you start the game with a number of civilization guards pick one and those are the AC metric aspects aspects. Come in each of those has their own special powers that can be wildly different Then you have this other part called tapestry cards which is is a card that you would play whenever you advance the next era or based on some other card interaction of the game and so with that those things can vary vary wildly in what they do from Nice little bonuses for doing things or a one time bonus or ongoing effect etc or some extra actions you actually have to take which is really cool. So there's a lot of variability in terms of the civilizations and how they'll interact Iraq with all the cards but in the end remember how to play is really you make one of two choices. That's really where it is. So yeah so josh. Why don't you talk do us about how this is like you and I both did? Air quotes about when we said civilization game. Sure so this game and we'll get into a little bit more about the reception of the game as a whole later on but let this game had a lot of people scratching their heads when it first came out and that was because Jamie Steg Meyer did a really really good job of marketing this any marketed. It as a civilization game. I think that was probably probably in error. I think that this is a civilization influence game just real quick. What do you mean when someone says civilization game was I mean to you so a civilization game in my mind is related to the game I I think the epitome of a civilization game on my mind is Sydney mirrors civilization on the computer civilisation? You are as in this game advancing through military technology culture. You know exploration Largely with the wind conditions though of being military you conquer the world the culture you win over everyone else's You you surpass everyone one so far culturally that they all just by in this game. You don't really do any of those things You you advance on all of those tracks which are tied to your traditional wind conditions in civilization game. Your you are researching researching technology You are advancing your civilization on their presence on the board you. Aw are Trying to influence other people to your kind of whims but none of those are your wind conditions. Those are just ways in which you score points And at the end of the day this is really more of a euro game than what what I would consider a civilization game It has that theme of civilization But that is not the the core mechanic of the game. It is very very and I think you kind of talked about this a little bit and gave it a very good work. It is very abstracted. Extracted Your idea of military. You talked about toppling. Other people's outposts You're military advancement is placing. These little tokens that are outposts onto the board and whenever you fight another player you don't really fight you. Just knock doc peace over and you put your piece down and they can't retaliate against you with the exception of playing a trap trump card But that's you know medium In terms of actual interaction No one else can come in and knock you off of that space. Only two people or two ponds can occupy a space at any given point in time time so it it doesn't really have a lot of the feel of a civilization tation game outside of the FEM- now I don't consider that a knock on the game. There are certainly people who do I think think it was probably incorrectly marketed. I think there was a a disconnect between the marketing strategy for this game and the actuality of the game I don't think this selling this as a civilization game was the best choice that Stone Meyer Games has ever made but I wouldn't I wouldn't consider this civilization game as much as I would the euro game with a civilization theme. Yeah I think that's all said and I agree with you that the wording might not be the the most accurate more like honestly civilization building or and. I'm not even coming up with the right thing here. But because it is that abstracted but it is like light and soft around the edges and super approachable for people within the track themselves. So when you think when I think of a civilization in game I also think of yeah building things in my city and you get to do that. There's actually the sweet thing if you're the first person to go into the next age of a one of those tech track not tetris but the different pieces so that exploration or science etc you get these really sweet hypoplastic a plastic rubber things that are fully painted that you get to build into your little capital city and yes we're GonNa talk more about the components and minute but you got to to have these things and you're literally building a little city bear also like exploring this board but for me I think for it to be a sieve game. The fact act the victory conditions have nothing to do with how my civilization did on any of those tracks speaks volumes to me so if I make get to space and that's not a finishing thing if I am super advanced in terms of my technology or by our science or warfare and we've quote unquote conquered the board. But you can't really do. I think that would do it for me. I honestly think for this game for the civilization aspect. You're just kind of building it but you never arrive at it just to put it out there so when you're doing these different things so on the military track act there's a spot where it's like. Oh you have tanks and so. That's just what that militaristic thing of toppling. Somebody overs called where later that might be called you. You have drones and you can do a drone strike which is just toppling the other thing over so they have all these terms on top of them however they have nothing really to do with the action They just exist. But if it were an actual civilization civilization game like I would actually build tanks I would. We build drones for my drone Air Force Base etc.. So super abstracted like those things are there but there there. I don't know I don't know that I would miss them if they weren't there now. I wouldn't just be called anything else that has to do with a warfare S. thing or whatever the thing relates to and I completely get it Yeah Yeah I would I would say you know probably one of the Challenges to the I guess a barrier to this game and it's it is honestly one of the reasons why and I'll just come out and say this listeners. I think is fantastic game design. I really really love this game. Despite all of the things that we are saying right right now that may sound negative. I think this is a phenomenal game. I just think that the marketing was not what it should have been and I want. Yeah and I just WanNa it just echo and then I want you to think I echo that I think it's a really good game. I just don't want you to think it's something that it's not and so we're trying to initially do our PSA before going into everything else yes one hundred percent. I think that we are trying. This is in part correcting acting. The era that was made in the marketing of what this game was going to be which this game was sold to a lot of people as a civilization civilization game that could be played in under two hours with a four page rulebook. And if I'm being perfectly honest I don't think that is possible. Yeah I don't think you can really capture the essence of what a civilization civilization game is with a four page rulebook Civilization Games are designed to be intricate and detailed old and complex. And all of these things that building civilization are and and you can't boil that down to a four page rulebook. Yeah I agree I appreciate what they tried to do. And I'm going to put out the challenge of like if you could design one go. Oh for great Please do take stab. But it's almost like we were talking in the last episode. Go listen to that listeners. And we were talking about your experience with Lisboa and like of Atala Serta game where it has that like meaty crunchy and there's a lot going on. That's what I associate with civilization. It's going to take up a lot brainpower because guess what I'm running country right but let's dig in some other things so the art on this is great. It's pretty much beautiful full. I love the colors. They did with it. Josh you brought up a great point about the artist that I think you should share absolutely. You're you're you're one hundred percent correct I think the art on this is just phenomenal And the artist on this game started to me two seconds. It is Andrew Bosley With Ron Brown Sculpted some minis. We'll talk about those here in a second but the actual artwork art work That is on your player boards on the you know the world map and on your civilization cards all of that. That is all done by Andrew. Bosley and Andrew Bosley is known most for his work with ever dealt which which is a really really phenomenal game? One that I absolutely love. I just backed the expansions on kickstarter and and really really I love that game Ever Dell has some phenomenal artwork and tapestry. He did not disappoint here as well. something thing. I thought found very interesting. Though is that there is also a little bit of a mechanical similarity between ever Dell and tapestry in that in ever del you moved through seasons and not everyone season ends at the same time. And not everyone waits for you. Don't wait for everyone to catch up to you Just like in tapestry. Not everyone's era ins at the same time time some people and you can think about this in real world. Context of not every civilization reached the bronze era at the same time not every civilization reached the iron era at the same time that didn't stop the progression of other civilizations and it just you're moving on to another kind of era in time And so that I you think the beam and the mechanics really did link well together It is certainly borrowed from another game. And something interesting that I find tapestry. Is that a lot of mechanics are borrowed from other games and put into this really unique game system that utilizes a lot of different mechanics that make for such an interesting gameplay in play But as Bruce mentioned the artwork in this is is just fantastic. Yeah so just brought up a good point about those mechanics before moving on to more of the art stuff and components. I think I need to Lena Noise at and that is I think that when you look at tapestry it actually it weaves together a bunch of different types of mechanics and elegant fashion without a doubt. I I feel like tapestry. Absolutely does that weaves them into this nice tapestry of things that are going on and I don't know if that's also what he was alluding to with that besides just the cards but I think that is absolutely there and I think I did not want to miss that because that was very well said so Kudos on that so the table presence with this. We've already talked a lot about the art A little bit about the art. So there's also like different animations on some of the cards that are all really great these civilization cards. y'All the art on them is is like phenomenal. I sometimes feel that I am actually looking at what would look like at the start of that civilization or would I can picture picture for that. So the futurists science person looking off into the distance with rockets going off behind them the military militaristic one is where they're like on it writing tank. The the mystics are like looking over this cauldron type thing the there's another one where like gallivanting in a forest and it's like that make accents or the entertainers or more like a Geisha style. So it's thought that was really cool. this thing will super pop at your game night. It'll take up like the entire table in order to fit everything on. We could not just have it where it was like parallel to us. We had to have it at an angle so three till the tilted the board so as a forty five degree angle to us so that way we could fit in our player boards awards. Because you're going to have your player board you're going to have your civilization cards next and then you're going to have your capital city to the right of that so so you're gonNA take up a lot of real estate because you're also going to put cards around that but on top of that I talked before about the different types of buildings you can get and you actually have have little rubber or plastic miniatures. That are different colors for each of those. You've got a bunch of already on your player board and you're going to be moving them hopefully to your capital city and then you've got these phenomenally gorgeous little miniatures that are fully painted. There's three for one three for each of the tracks and then a whole bunch of them may like seven or so that are tied to specific perfect technology. Cards for if you're able to level up your technology to certain levels you get access to those buildings and you're the only one that could build that building the components in this or like out of the park. Honestly that's part of why this game does come with a sort of hefty price tag I believe the MS Sarpi is one hundred dollars and then if you were to preorder this game through Stone Myers website which is which was the first like ten thousand copies which sold out out in like six hours. I want to say they were selling them at twenty percent off so you got them for eighty but like this thing will absolutely stand out at your Game Day. It doesn't really take up a lot to set it up though which is great because usually when there's a lot of components takes forever to set stuff up you can fit it all back in the box locks really easy but also set it up real fast so yeah yeah and I just WanNa get a quick word here on those miniaturist I. I think they're gorgeous. I think they're fantastic. They're very very well done I mentioned the the there are two artists on this game. Andrew Bosley did the actual art but those miniatures were designed by a I wanNA say New Zealand Artists Rahm Bronze Brown and so I just wanted to give credit where credit is due because those miniatures really are a key component to this game and we talked a little little bit about how. There's a lot of borrowing from other game designers and game mechanics Bruce talked a little bit about your city board word being this kind of Tetris area. Where you're building these buildings which very much in and Jamie stag Meyer talks about at this extensively that that is directly from a Feast Borodin A A game that we've talked about in the past I believe At as an influence end something that he really wanted to incorporate in a game in saw this idea for this tatra seeing of a civilization city trying to stay within the confines of the geography in which that city is being built built As as a very big motivation for this Bruce I also wanted to jump back briefly to You mentioned the the idea behind the game. I think it is interesting that you talked about this being a tapestry of of mechanics mechanics But but one of the things that was interesting about the launch of this game was Jamie's design diary as he called it which was a regular posting on his social media as well as on the website about kind of what this game was which led to a lot of hype and and and I think we'll come to talking about that shortly but He mentioned why tapestry is the name of this game and he talked about the influence of of Going to an museum and seeing these gorgeous tapestries like actual tapestries depicting the history. Three of these families and houses in the Medieval era And so he wanted to incorporate that idea of telling a story through artwork into this game design of explaining and showing knowing how your civilization expanded over the course of time through the taps Ricard's through these visual Israel representations of the type of civilization. You would utilize and I thought that was a really really elegant way to incorporate operate personal passion with game design. I love that and honestly I mean Jamie's really great about connecting with the listeners. He does Weekly livestream at ten. Am Central Standard Time every single week and so it doesn't surprise me that he shared some personal things because he even sharing about like his dating life right now and like having serious relationship while running a game company. But I think that's beautiful where that inspiration comes from. 'cause I remember growing up in New York and going down onto different museums and things like that and now that stood out with me but I didn't realize that about this. I missed that designer. Thanks for sharing that. I think that's really cool. Yeah absolutely so something important to bring up though is like what it brought out in other players myself and then we'll get into into some of that hype staff and other things of note before we go into what some other people are saying So what brought out in some others is like this sense of. I like when they're first learning it like. Oh there's all these symbols and stuff because it gets rid of tax does a four page rulebook and really focuses says in on using these symbols to explain what the thing is right. It's not text based it's Symbo based and there's not a lot of symbols but you have to learn it and then once you learn it like your golden and it's not that much honestly is really not but how the flow of the game works is a new thing and some new mechanics if you've never played l.. Then then you're not going to be potentially used to this whole thing of oh I could be in this age while you're in a different era right. I can be in this era while you're in a different era or or I'm finishing and you still have ten more turns that happened. Sometimes I was is the person with more turns than the other person or I was the first person advancing into a different era. which gets you actually more resources for being the first one and it's not just like oh you're there I you have less of a game? No you actually get extra resources for getting in their first but when it brought out for me though is I did feel with the military like I wanted to be able to fight back and so I couldn't always couldn't usually do that. I never personally ever drew. Its trump card in any of my plays. I don't know how that's happened. I've never gotten a trap APP card period but that's just luck of the draw so there's also to with when you have that many cards and and so with this. I feel that I have done the each time I've played. I feel like I've made good choices. I've been proud of the board. I made that I made And like confident what I did. And sometimes I was left scratching my head of like I don't know how you are still so going going And I'm trying. I was a game that had me thinking of like. How could I have done that better? And sometimes draw blanks and sometimes like Oh. I could have leaned in on these parts. It's definitely had me thinking about it. Of what could I have improved but also feeling proud of what I did accomplish if that makes sense absolutely You know something. I think that is very interesting about this game. Something that I've seen is the you know I I played this most recently Just a couple of days ago and when we were playing me and one other person in their game ended pretty relatively quickly and we sat there and we were thoroughly convinced looking at the rest rested. Track that that we were going to win and by say we because we ended up scoring exactly the same points and retied on the tiebreaker. In which case you share the victory so we were thoroughly convinced we were sharing victory We actually left left the room to go grab a drink and came back five ten minutes later and found that the player who had taken the longest had surpassed us by a good twenty points. that you know. They had scored about one hundred points in one era Yep so there's some really really interesting swings in terms of points and how you score in those types of things I I think that's really neat and really interesting. You Know I. I like the fact that at no point in this game can can one person say that they are completely out of it twice now. I have played this game where someone who was way behind going into into their fourth era came back and won the game because they they were able to build the engine in a way that you know. They didn't score a lot of points early on but they were setting themselves up for huge points late game and and that's a good point so but the key to that is like you can't. This is not a game where you're going to be able to plan out. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to to do this. You can. Sometimes you can have a general idea but you have to be willing and okay with doing something different. You're not going to be able to do everything deal with it. You're not going to be able to win by really advancing equally on all the tracks like it's not how you media you have to specialize but you also have to do diligence and so there's a give and take a risk and reward and so sometimes someone else is going to do something that's GonNa throw off your plans so this is not solo. Solitaire does not this game. This game does have player interaction through the actions. You're taking by them getting some benefits before for you or if they're the first one to go into an age then they're going to get that landmark. There's only one of them so too bad. And so that's just you really have to be willing to adapt and so with all of that. Kind of let's dig into some of the hype and also that that swinging certainly talked about how there was a window so stack Meyer somewhere. Games did a window for four days of when they were going to do a preorder for this at the beginning of September. The game sold out in a couple hours and there was a total of ten thousand copies and so then it was this whole question of is there. More Games are going to be up for In this window preorder window but there weren't because Jamie had allocated out he allocated ten thousand games for the preorder up to the other. The ones were already on their way to different distributors to go out to friendly local game stores and things like that or online retailers or his own sale place place and so he was in this quandary of. Oh we said we're going to have this four day window but now it's sold out. What do we do but obviously as you can imagine? Ten thousand copies selling out in a couple of hours like that is seriously some hype that led into that and then that's going to come from that video that I'm going to encourage you to watch. We have an already so Rodney Smith who is powered by Board Game Geek So He's the guy from watch played. He's a wonderful human. Get get to play games with them at conventions and stuff. He does a lot of great things for the hobby. Go support him. Check him out but he made a video where he talked about hype and it was particularly about out this game and talking about hype as well as what. It means to be overpowered so he talked about this game in the height but then he also went into. It's you over powered because that is a big part of what some people say about this game and the swinging is quote unquote. That comes with this so I encourage you to go. Watch those videos over on his channel on watch it played But Yeah so real quick Burgundy grace this as a seven point six ten the weight on. BG is a two you point five out of five so medium weight. The player count is from one to five. You can do a solo with Automa- TAMASEK which used to of cards there it's interesting and then. BG says the ideal player count is three people You bring up something real quick Josh In our show notes about that player count though yes so I was just reading through our there are player counts here in our show notes. Here in Brusett mentioned are put in here is a one to six game which is an easy easy mistake to make As you look at the game board there are six starting players spots But the base game comes with I five players if you have been around board games were aware of side. Whenever it came came out you will see a little bit of pattern here with stone? Meyer Games specifically games designed by Jamie Steg Meyer himself and that is He has a tendency to design a game with an expansion in the works already I would guess that there's an expansion coming for this at some point which will add a six player which is why you have those six starting locations. He actually so in his monthly update to his subscribers on just from Sonar Games literally lists a tapestry expansion and it's progress of in development but it doesn't say what that means One quick note about the player count though so is whenever I see a game is okay with two people. I always want to make sure so for me. I don't necessarily like playing when there is a dummy player. When you have to play three three players there is a dummy player when you are playing three players this but the only thing it does is moves so they have one cube on each of those four tracks? It moves them up one spot on that track so it can take away those landmarks. That's that's but getting into over going a little long time but there's a couple things things we talk about real quick and then our final thoughts so are but my buddy Conrad you know. Conrad so Conrad Brad is getting his PhD in mathematics. and He's played this game a couple of dozen times already because they'll play it solo a bunch but one of the things. Konrad things did and talk to me about is he said okay. Well given the luck element of this game. What is the range of scores? That is possible if I were to get the most ideal hand at the right times. So he laid out all of the tapestry cards after he picked his civilization as well as all of the technology cards so obviously he broke the game to do this but he scored five hundred and fifty points so he ever at every stage where could draw card. He drew the card. He wanted to which she's technically possible. Given the random ization elements but most likely not going to happen and he was playing against the Solo player so he was playing against someone else quote unquote but he said essentially what it boils down to is. Your score is most likely if you know what you're doing you're going to get between one hundred and fifty in two hundred and fifty points if you have a good luck of the draw or know how to play them in the right order to leverage things based on other factors in the game you can then have a two hundred to three hundred point swing where you can based on this card you can get up to three hundred something or even as high as five hundred and so just knowing that based on how what card you get and how you play them you could have that kind of swing which I thought is super interesting and then like I was proud of him for doing this leaning into this kind of curious your thoughts. Because I hadn't talked to you about that no And this is This brings up two points to this game that I actually did want to point out one This is my first time playing stone. Meyer game so low every stone. Meyer game has the Automa- built into it This is the first game that I've actually played with that Automa- and I this could have been released as a solo game and I would have enjoyed it. I'm really really really like the Solo Player of this and it actually leads me towards thinking that this might be okay at two players because as you also use that shadow variant When you play solo in terms of the sweeneys I've seen a lot of Posts in the facebook group for this game about people scoring three hundred four hundred points in a game. I have yet to see anyone. Anyone break one hundred fifty and so it's interesting to me that you say that a good score is between one hundred and fifty two hundred fifty. I believe review. I look back on every game that I've played and thank Oh. There were some choices that I could have made better at different points but the idea of getting to three hundred points is mind. Boggling you would need in my opinion be very lucky looking or Berry Berry Berry good at this game and I get it. There are and I wanted to mention this very briefly. We a lot of the negative reviews towards this game have said that it is broken or unbalanced and I will again refer for listeners to Rodney Spit. Rodney Smith video on balance in a game because I think it is very poignant very very accurate and he says everything that I think I could say as it relates to balance in a game I haven't played this game enough to know whether it's balanced or not. But there are definitely civilizations that are easier. Yes Dan other. Yes yes yes. Yes there are civilizations and the last time I played this I was playing with some new people and so there were seven civilizations that I just took them out. I didn't make them options for players to even potentially look at or choose because I knew that those civilizations are not going to be good for a first time player and I just played with the most simple basic civilizations wins that I could find And everyone ended that game within twenty points of one another because everyone was at a relatively equal playing ground in terms of their experience with the game and the civilizations that they were dealt So yeah yeah I I just wanted to kind of point that is that the piece to this game and so on that note so in Ronnie Rodney's video and again I'm highly recommend I'm going to put that in the show notes so just click in the podcast APP and you can go watch the video the balance so Rodney taught this game. I think something like twelve times. Twelve different groups of people on the cruise and he analyzes what that was is like and what people's perceptions of things were in the game but then also talks about the fact of how some people talk about terror forming Mars and so depend like there's one player talks like Oh when we play. We really don't do stuff on Mars. We really focus on her engines. And then we get to Mars later and do that stuff or there's other it's like the same player then went to another group and it was like Whoa. WHOA WHOA? You're all going really fast. Try and Connell. Colonize Mars entire forming Mars. And that's not how my group usually plays so depending on how your group usually plays can factor a lot into this and just point that out so I think it's GonNa be really good. Just let's pull in some quick not go through all of them some quick notes from some BG posts that we saw so this one is from Meco whose m sorry M. S. A.. Our eye on. BG that this game is unfairly wrong long with five players. I would advise against playing the game of five players especially your first time if if you do expect the game to take three or more hours. If you really want to do that I agree with this. I would really recommend playing this game three or four players. Personally yeah I I will say I. Yeah I don't think three hours is an unreasonably ably longtime to play a game agreed personally But there are people who certainly do think that way but I do think that this game is not a game that is worth worth playing The enjoyment dies out when you're playing for close to three hours I disagree with BG BG's says three players is the ideal I think four is the ideal view. The open board It gives you the opportunity to do more expansion so I like the four player count better than the three. That's just me personally. I would agree. I don't think five players is the proper count for this especially your first time. And then if that's more your thing for your game group go for it but like four players words out for me too so then we've got a Koala Guy Four forty five sixty six as Sean He goes he writes D.. Have a worthless happens regard in my hand. Find a way to get a better one. Did you draw another bad tapestry. Guard find a way to get another one. Do you have a handful of tapestry guards. Well then you better make sure the military track of the science tracker priority so you can discard them for points before the game ends. Change your the plans buddy. That's his words echoed one hundred percent Most of the complaints I've seen about this game are are related to the tapestry cards or the civilization cars in. IRA talked about how to mitigate that But the temperature cards there are ways to get new tapestry cards. There are ways to and and realistically there are no bad tapestry. Cards they're just tapestry cards. That are bad for your specific situation. Correct find yourself a new one or you know change your strategy to accommodate the tapestry card that you have you know I had a i. I was just playing with a somebody who who did that. They they had a handful of tapestry. Cards thought all of them were terrible. And then in the last round because of the tapestry card they played they were able to score over a hundred points. Wow Oh wow because they the situation there and processed. How can I adapt to the situation situation? I'm put in and I think that's where the theme in this game strives no civilization succeeds through stagnation. Yeah but you have to adapt and that is what this game. I think. Challenge Challenges you to do is change your plans adapt to the situation. You're in Yep and honestly there's life I'm just going to call that the last one we have from. BG So we got Pixel Missile Crow. Crow says it's a pretty light game and if you're looking for a brain bender like guy a project or black angel Then keep looking but that lightness means is going to be easy to understand and easy to play. Quick it's not gonNA start a fire in your board game and group like side did for our group but we like it just fine fine. Yeah I I I somewhat agree somewhat disagree I I somewhat agree in that. It is not guy a project it is not black angel ex not a heavy euro game the complexity. Here you're you're talking about middling I actually think BG Raith this overly complex it's a four page rulebook. There's not that much to know. The complexity comes from the decisions that you make. The complexity comes from being able to adapt APD your strategy mid game because of the situation you find yourself in that is what makes this game. I think a little bit more more interesting a little bit more fun It's not the best designed game in the world. It is not side I think personally for me is one of the best designed games ever. It's not but it is a good game. It is easy easy to teach. I think on average it takes me ten minutes fifteen tops to teach this game an hour and a half to two hours to play in an and it it fits that knee Shberi. Well it is a midland mid weight mid length game that I think is pretty good and has some really great interesting decisions to make and I actually think one hundred right in terms of the rating might be low but I think they're accounting for that complexity of layering of the cards within that rating But also like something about this. I didn't necessarily cover was so although yes you're playing against other players. They're not going to take away your actions except for takeaway landmarks. So you're constantly engaged in trying to figure out out your plans and you got the ability that But I also think and touching on your point and I couldn't agree more like this. These are different games like guy. Projects is a different game from from black angel etc.. We've you like guy a project you might not like black angel because they're different games and so same thing goes within this and other games so it by itself is really trying what we're trying to go with but did want to just bring this one up since it was there So this all being said Josh. It's time for wants to go into our final thoughts closing thoughts here. I I I like this game a lot it is is pretty consistently in my game bag. It is right now. Really the only game that is making it to my solo table uh-huh there I could go onto a tangent about my solo games but this episode about that sure Tom This is a good game and it is a game that I. I don't know that I've had a rate experience playing bass off of the people I've played with and I'm trying not to discount the game for that but the reason why. Hey I like this game is because every time I've played I leave the table and find myself three Eh for five days later still thinking about that game still processing. What did I do that? I could have done better. How how could I have fixed this problem for myself? Could I have adapted in a better way and that I think is why I like this game is I have not left the table thinking I got screwed because of luck I've left the table thinking my luck wasn't great but I could have adapted better. I could have done better and so how do I improved for the future is this. Do I think this game deserves to be at the top of anyone's He's twenty nineteen game of the years. No Wingspan is by the same publisher. Wingspan Tops Twenty nineteen game of the year. It's phenomenal this isn't that but it's good. It's interesting and I think he gets. It gets a lot more flack than it deserves. Because of some of the things we talked about in terms of the marketing in terms of the swing swing is in terms of the people not wanting to adapt to a given situation. So that's really well said To talk on some things that you didn't talk on but also not just have our listeners here to the same thing again so for me. Is this the game I own own. No is this game I will plan to buy no. Is this a game that will also context other people people in my game group who I play games with all the time. have it in like Josh. Are Keeping it in the game bags and bringing it out so I don't have a need to go by but I also don't feel feel a need to have to own it myself because I know I'm going to be able to play it if I really want to. But at the same time I'm not gonNA turn down an opportunity to play it when and somebody asked like. Hey let's play tapestry going to yeah absolutely do that now. As far as the game goes at the end of that have I been thinking. Well I got screwed screwed because I didn't get such a card or things like that. No same way as Josh like. That's not what I'm thinking what I'm thinking in those moments and I've sat there and said head and like processed is what could I have done. I WanNa understand what choices you made better so I can be better moving coming forward and I actually sat at the table because I finished and somebody else had like four more turns and so the rest of us kind of talk through. What kind of choices choices did they make leading to this point? And how were they able to do those things and so really. It comes down to being able to take in information and adapt on the fly but also plan your stuff out manager resources but also like this is a game and this is the thing for me I table presents does have an impact for me and theme coming out. There's not much theme but being able to have my little capital city and be proud of the little thing I built is really cool to me. and I'll like having thing that sense of accomplishment or being able to take a photo and things like that and so if you like that kind of thing you definitely should probably try and play this that all being said if if you are interested in buying this absolutely one hundred percent do not overpay for this game do not pay for anything but MS RPM or or less just in case you're getting it from somebody else. This game is currently out of print. There's another print coming. So just wait and you'll get it because I still see the similar to wingspan. When that came out people overpaying even to buy used copies of this game paying more than Ms Rpm? Don't do that you you do not need to do that. Get yourself brand spanking new copy. y'All be fine. Just just give it give it a little bit. I'm going Stone Myers website you you can pre-order it as well. Just go on there do that. I just hate when Some people in her hobby are just unknown. Just like Oh it's out of print so I have to overpay. It's like unannounced like you're going to be able to like don't worry just yeah you'll be fine and just a quick note on here if you are interested you know as record this The reprinting is will be released and actually it's not even the reprinting technically this is the official printing. Yeah everything that we have up to now is the preorder The official release of this game is November fifteenth. You're sure is right around the corner do not overpay for a game that will be released in a couple of days. Just were is probably already on the shelves. Yeah Yeah Yeah just give it give it some time. I go into percent. Good Call Josh. So yes so. Do I enjoy tapestry. Yes I do I had meaningful meaningful choices. It made some really fun exchanges with my friends. So yeah is it a civilization game. No doesn't need to be a civilization game. No it doesn't it just needs to be tapestry and just thinking got all this blowback is honestly I really think from like you said It's not a civilization game. It's a sieve theme to game and so from that if that interests you at all go check it out a lot of people have it of go. Check that all out but any kind of closing thoughts besides the game just for our listeners. Josh No You know I think we've pretty much hit everything everything here. It's it's an interesting game it's worth playing if not purchasing. I think Bruce was right on that. Is that if you can find someone someone to play it and in most that I would recommend this in most games I think one of my biggest regrets and a lot of games that I don't enjoy is that I purchase them without trying them. Try Game and find out how much you like it before you go and spend a bunch of money on it same thing with tapestry check it out if it sounds like something that might interest you. I really enjoy it and yeah you know the point of this game. This hobby is to have fun and find the things that you enjoy and challenge yourself to enjoy new things but but don't overspend on something that just because of everyone else enjoying it or everyone else liking. Find the things things that you like and and pay what you think they're worth and hopefully that will have a positive impact on your life. That was beautifully stated Josh. So with all that. We're going to bring this episode to a close. We hope that you like this kind of new format of having an episode directed just towards a single game. Actually it's an old model that we're finally bringing back but thank you so much for listening to board game impact again if this is your first time listening Zinger. If you haven't done this ready make sure it hit that. Subscribe Button so that way. 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Australia and East Antarctica share geology

The Science Show

09:32 min | 1 year ago

Australia and East Antarctica share geology

"Before that we leap to Adelaide and an exciting paper on Antarctica. But just think if you wanted to predict the melting of the ice sheets there would you go drilling on the nullarbor plain. Meet Licia polit and Tom Raimondo. At the University of South Australia. Tom This is what I find. Incredible here we are in South Australia. Tomorrow's GonNa be forty two degrees outside and you'll saying there's a connection with Antarctica which is zillions of kilometers away. How come well allow will depart in terms of their climate? Yes but very close cousins in terms of the geology. So if you held up a mirror to the Kasana vase Antarctic a really. What you I would say is exposed geology? That we have in southern Australia by counterpart STI- Derived from the same land originally separated a pop. Millions of years ago as a strategy drifted north and lifted. Santa cousin behind Sorry by accessing the geology of southern astray we actually get a window to seek beneath the AUSTER. Put Away for Mason Talk to Gary found out exactly what's going on rock and the dips below. Teach Gang. What's the flow? Well I guess. The conditions of the bicycle nausea really influential in terms of the way I move in flows so we know the Kleist who were trained driven largely by the conditions of the surface. And how that's changing with the anthropogenic climate change on butts the Bison which we can observe is equally if not more important because if you have meltwater that exists on other words if temperatures are above freezing and we have actual water that the lubricating device to the sheet it enables it to move at a much more rapid would right the bid that sits rod of the base of the glycemic right afloat becomes accelerated because of the existence of that meltwater and we know that hot hot rocks in other words rocks that contain radioactive elements that naturally became produce hate are able to produce thermal energy that produces milk quota an idol's mcglesias to accelerate their right of movement so rocks the conditions of the Bison at the bedrock bicycling sits underneath glasses is critical in terms their ability to melt and the right which will melt the we can project into the future to understand how the behavior will change over time? Let's say you've been to see the University of Queensland Dorsey who's Dorothy Hill say. Dorothy Hill was the first female professor in Australia and she was a professor of geology at at the University of Queensland and I seem to remember she was specializing in the rocks associated with reefs. And she was the first woman in history to be the president of Ketamine Science. Yes absolutely an amazing woman and for the research done the paper just published with your name on the front. And she's very nice you had to go to the nullarbor how come yes. So beneath thick layer of limestone on the nullarbor some of the books that we expect to observe under into the ICY NASCENT TACTICA. Sorry we were lucky enough to get on board with a drilling program that was undertaken in out on the laborde and twenty seventeen where they were drilling drilling through to the basement rocks where they pulled them back up. And I could do some laboratory measurements on the properties and then we also temperature logging down the the whole to see what the temperature is. Elect Dan at those depths. How far down do you have to go? Ask the drilling range between about four hundred meters up to eight to nine hundred maters deep deep. Yes Dave enough to get to those hawks at the bottom. What should rocks? Are they mostly Granitz. And Nice Metamorphosis Code Nice Pun intended not spelt the same and I sound pulled hundreds of different core samples from across eight. Different different drew hosts just to collect a wide range of daughter across the largest area possible. And what was the nullarbor like as you were sitting there in your camp empty. He is a very good word but in an amazing way it's a very special education and particularly not to see the night sky. The wildlife blacked out there. Surprisingly although we guaranteed we wouldn't see any. We managed to see quite a lot and just really amazing place to experience told me about that night. Yes Sir I was the only scientists out on the camp that was actually camping tent. The rest will in caravans and I wake up during the middle of the night and could hear rustling near the tent and I chose not to go and investigate because I didn't want to and go back to sleep. I mean lead to realize the next morning that one of the men had gone to the bathroom at about the same time that I wake up to see pack of wild dingoes roaming around around the back of the campsite which is most likely what I heard from my tent. Lucky me while you were Tom Safely at home. That's right there Aaron Spirit. I wish I could have commented the time. It didn't work out but the novel is spectacular location of its own rot but to be out to save beneath the limestone which obviously wide so we'll known to reveal for the first time that was the beauty of being involved in that drilling program we the Geological Survey of South Strand geoscientists try with the driving forces behind that went to open up mineral exploration in in a region that's known as the Campana region fraud that drilling program we actually had no idea what existed beneath Lobstein was a total the mystery and in particular point of view. It was a total mystery in terms of what it's thin characteristics were so we did was really reveal for the first time in a total black spot on the continental data set. That exists for Australia. What the heat flow conditions are beneath available playing and by association with the entirety? What conclusions can you draw about the effect of those similar properties on say the melting? Well the thing about what is that has been a lot of modeling to look at the range of heat flow values that would influence the dynamics of the sheets. And if you change things by about twenty million square meters which sounds like a very very small number energies you can induce a huge amount of additional meltwater vice of the Ossete now now. I'll values that. We discovered in southern Australia. Easily within that fluctuation and if you continue the trends of we observe in southern strategy the closer to Adelaide and the Flyers Ryan extension into what we call the Ross origin of Antactica. Those values are even more elevated again. So there's definitely definitely the potential for quite elevated values that we observe consistently throughout southern Australia to exist in their counterparts in eastern Antarctica and the Lucille. Why didn't you simply or can you just whip down south to Antarctica? Get the drill and see what the right with your calculations well that it would be the dream but unfortunately the logistics and the environmental impact of drilling three such thick ice just makes drilling quite a difficult task collegiate in some pots kilometers thick which is more than what we could through through with. Little getting through is first and then into the bedrock. The thing is in Antarctica. Have you been down Tom to Antarctica Noel. I haven't on on the old one out. It seems amongst the community here and had light which has had a really strong legacy of researches. Look the thing is you your actual base. In the universe strays Morrison Punt Morrison emotion. Your leader your inspiration and you haven't been south yet that's correct but we do have his legacy in terms of all of the samples that he collected so whatta but at least there has been no saying doing in conjunction with this study is looking at the heat production of those rocks. Most of them come actually from LICEU marines. 'cause they're the easiest. Thanks to sample. When you're down there you basically get a mixed bag of rocks deposited them in the marina itself and of course thyroid effectively proxies of the rocks that the glycemic transported across? So you can use them as a way to sample rocks beneath the offshoot as it's made his journey across the Interior wrote down to the coast saw Whipping using those rock samples. Most himself brought back this huge collection which has given us a message advantage in terms of being able to get the breadth writ of Rock tops that may exist analyze them for the production to me. The really exciting thing was when we did the reconstruction so we tied that he flow data that we have from all the different continental fragments. That are the conjugates to Ason Antarctica. So that includes southern strategy but also India and Africa and we talk all of the existing data that exists for those continents and then paste together the jigsaw puzzle again so that I will move they way back towards the Antarctic coastline and then to create the heat flow map. I think that was the most exciting thing when we'd assembled all of these individual ingredients and and then produced for the first time tectonically reconstructed he flowing that and see what it looked like. That was the really a HA moment. We sort of pulled all those Fritz together to say what we found around Tom. Raimondo team leader of that group at the University of South Australia and Olympia politics. Who's doing her P._H._d.? And was the first author of that game changing paper.

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5G: Progress or Peril? [Episode 65]

Altamar - Navigating the High Seas of Global Politics

28:48 min | 10 months ago

5G: Progress or Peril? [Episode 65]

"The hello and welcome tall tomorrow. Peter Sector Mooney Johnson. Let's do a deep dive on five G. Today everyone talks about it but not everyone knows what it is or its implications and since we are podcast based on geopolitics we will focus on the impact of a broad five. G. Connected World on Politics Economics and communications in our daily lives. We will be joined later by Tom. Wheeler former head of the FCC Federal Communications Commission who will help us break down the challenges of the global balance of power of this new very exciting and sometimes frightening prospect. So MOONEY IS FROYLAN. Maria would say in the sound of music. Let's start at the very beginning and you say you can sing that. But I won't fifth generation mobile networks technology. That is very different from our current. Four g connectivity it offers enormous speeds and reliability. Five G. is going to take us to a whole different level not only connecting people but allowing machines to talk to each other and industries and user experiences at massive speed capacities. Experts have compared to the invention of the automobile or electricity in the scope and magnitude of its ability to transform in some say greatly improve the world. I mean I. It's being hyped up a lot and let me give you a few numbers. According to Qualcomm by twenty thirty five five G. CAPABILITIES IS GONNA produce twelve trillion dollars worth of goods and services. It's GonNa support twenty two million jobs and create three point five trillion in aggregate revenue. And this is just based on what we know and God knows all of the things that can happen wonderful things that can happen that we can't even imagine today but will it change in our daily life a few things are smartphones which will literally fly industry will benefit from enhanced remote control of infrastructure and machinery medicine in particular. We'll gain enhance robotics and developing countries will have access to low cost data and mobility. Networks will be easy to build and hopefully to protect. Let's think self driving cars everywhere. Smart cities remote surgeries streamline supply chains automation automation automation. So what's the status of this thing exactly in the? Us Verizon launched it last year and it's operating at several cities and several smartphone devices companies. Like T. mobile sprint eighteenth and not far behind the UK and Australia are up and running. China South Korea Germany and smaller countries like Switzerland and Finland are also active in. This others are moving quickly in the same direction. So the world is Joe moving quickly to adopt and implement. Oh and it all sounds so wonderful. Doesn't it Peter a connected world endless possibilities advancing science and technology and education? That's all great. I feel a hero but come tiny bit until we think of the policy implications inside and between countries that's already flaring up. And then the conversation becomes a lot more complicated for main challenges. Jump Out of course. The first is the security implications of using mostly Chinese technology and therefore the geopolitical leverage that five G. can give and has given China over the rest of the world. The second is the eternal tradeoff of privacy versus convenient with talk about that before on this podcast and also the price tag for countries. And you know obviously for is what's going to happen with the developing world is going to widen the gap. So I think we should start first with China since hyped this up Mooney at the beginning. Let's start throwing cold water on this thing. It's a lot of people believe that five G. is going to become the largest source of tension between the West in other words. Us Europe Japan. Australia and China and is the single. Most sensitive political issue in the future and the reason is simple the largest best equipment. Manufacturers of five technology are state-controlled Chinese companies like Weiwei and Z. T. and as we discussed in previous podcasts the world has legitimate fears of spying and cyber attacks and stealing government corporate data by Chinese entities and this mistrust which is especially acute now in the United States is let the trade deal delays and ultimately the famous. Us BAN ON WHY products Europe has taken the somewhat. More pragmatic approach is adopted technology. But you know what certainly lived? The British government has said when it opted the technology. It said it's only for low risk communications and they did this even at the risk of tensions with the United States so the West is far from reaching much-needed cross-border policy in dealing with geopolitical dependence on Chinese technology and its security implications. The issue of consumer privacy is also at stake whether individuals trust governments or corporations or neither with their private information varies by country. It was really interesting to see how Chinese consumers trust the government whereas the US India Japan and Brazil among others have more faith in the private sector over the government. You know is a debate about when all this will happen when all this will encroach in our daily lives and meanwhile policy lags behind in creating public. Private frameworks for data protection and consumers. We all remain careless about what in with what we do with our data right so finally. Mooney. There's tons and tons of practical questions about five G. Let's start with the question about whether this is just a lot of hype. Serve like we've suggested before. Proponents of five G. Believe in its widespread use of virtual and augmented reality and autonomous cars in this wonderful world of low latency gigabyte connectivity body cans ubiquitous Internet of things. But who pays for all this stuff? One of the big questions of some experts keep asking is who has the foot the bill and indeed. We all know that five G. devices are expensive and most of their costs are going to be born by consumers and beyond that. There's an issue of like you've already suggested an issue of equitable distribution how developing countries prepare and invest in five G. Capabilities and said of being the great equalizer giving access to better life around the world. Some people are asking. Is it going to deepen the divide between the haves and have nots? And then there's another issue that keeps popping up which is a health issue. There's some controversy five gene potential health than backs city council meetings in Santa Barbara. California and Keene New Hampshire made news by reversing course on five G. Antennas until health outs have been clarified. So as a result all these questions have led experts such as William Webb to ask if five G. proponents just casting around for problems. That might need their solution. So we have about a million questions for our cast and this is a really good time to bring him in chairman. Tom Wheeler is visiting fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution in Washington Thomas Businessman author and was chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. Fcc from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen but for over four decades. He's been involved in new telecommunications networks and services including the adoption of net neutrality privacy for consumers and increasing cybersecurity among other policies and as an entrepreneur. Tom Started her help start. Multiple companies offering innovative cable wireless and video communication services was also CEO of several high tech companies. A true expert at the intersection of Technology and politics. Welcome to all Tamara. Tom Wheeler. We'll thank you. It's great to be here. Let's start with a general question. What do you see the greatest benefit and the greatest challenge of five g. In Our world? Well hit the greatest benefit is that it is an entirely new network structure what the geeks called Topology In that it is we are now substituting for old a software based network and that change allows all kinds of interesting things to happen both in terms of What the network can do as well as the costs of rolling out the network. The biggest challenge to this is we invest in this country based on the ability to generate a return other non marketplace economies in the world like China have directed economies will make the investment in Five G. as there are opportunities for a return on that investment and that means that It is It is not going to happen as quickly as everybody has hoped. But that's not a challenge chess not a problem. We weren't I in one g two G. Three G. or four G. yet the United States and the technologies of the United States or the dominant technologies in wireless activity around the world. I want to come back to this last point that you made because you know there's a lot of hype around this. It's been called groundbreaking biggest geopolitical change in potential in history. Who's going to pay for the service? How how is the because you make the right point which is to say that we invest we invest for returns will consumers end up paying for? This just seems like that. Topology that new word. I just learned it. Infrastructure INVOLVED IN. That correct is a lot of infrastructure. The good news is that because it is software It is less expensive to both build and operate than Than hardware so. That's a very helpful step but it's still going to be a highly expensive process but again who's GonNa pay for it? It's going to get paid for like every other network has ever been paid for and that is that That companies who see a potential for a return ARGO invest. And they're gonNA turn around and sell access to those services to to consumers so. I've I've read a couple of the I've suddenly done a ton of reading on five G. and found also that in places as diverse as Santa Barbara California. In keene New Hampshire. There's the sudden concern about health issues. That real well you know I I think we have to look at health professionals and ask them the question you know when we were at the FCC we looked at the food and Drug Administration who is responsible. For All of these kinds of determinations and my I used to always say we ought to look at folks white coats rather than blue suits for answers and The folks in white coats are telling US move on not a worry. So let's get political. Many people say five days a threat to democracy and geopolitics. What are your views on this? Well I wouldn't go so far as to say that the network itself is some kind of threat I mean. The interesting thing is that I've always felt I wrote a wrote a book called from Gutenberg to Google the history of our future. Get a plug in here. and One of the concepts it discusses is that it is never the primary network that is transformational but the secondary effects of that network. How we are using the Internet. Writ Large Little on the wireless Internet is something that that there is reason to believe has a negative effects on democracy because the business plan of the social media providers is to is to divide us into tribes to deliver in secret information to each of those tribes and in the process to to threaten the the we the onum that are you know unum that our our founders talked about in the ability to come together And so I think that it is a it is a broader issue than than five G. but generally how networks are used in the business plan for the networks being to divide us so on a more positive note what is the impact of five G. on our daily lives. We've talked about earlier. Medical procedure supply chains faster speeds. How's this going to change our lives? Well I'm not GonNa see it in the in the short term right now. Five G. IS ESSENTIALLY FAST FOUR G. Okay but I go back to my point about it's never the primary network that's transformational but the secondary effects you know when four G. came out who had the expectation that suddenly we will be watching movies on our phones right and so five. G. IS GOING to offer to new important capabilities. Worn is throughput is the speed. With which data can be can be transported and that is going to allow things like virtual reality assisted reality things things Like this and the other is what the technical folks call latency. Which is the time that elapses between you requesting something in that actually happens. I'll tell you a story. I when I was chairman I sat in an office at the FCC and operated an Earth Mover in Dallas. I was sitting there working the controls of this huge shoveling. We used to call it a steam shovel. I don't know what you call it now. But this huge shoveling device that That was in Dallas and the point was and who's using five G. Technology. The point was that the latency was so minimal and non existent that. I could control this machine in Dallas from Washington. This podcast is all about global affair. So let me take us to what the global affairs implication are of the five G. Technology clearly. The birth of this technology is going to change again the way we look and deal with China at the moment. China is the main technology manufacturer of a lot of the five G. Technology. So tell us a little bit about how you see. An evolving relation with China we. Now have this prohibition on Wa way in this country other countries in Europe Have accepted some type of low presumably. Low risk. Use of why the -nology. What's her evolving relations with? China through this five G. Prism will have probably two points. I is the Obama Administration. Came out and asked all of the major wireless carriers in the country not to use while we equipment and All of the the big companies agreed to that a handful of small companies. I think and it is not reflected well on them decided to to to go ahead but the major companies all said No. We're not gonNA use what equipment because of the potential threat. But I think there's a bigger issue here. If we focus too much on quote the wall way issue okay that it blinds us to the other cybersecurity issues that. Let's go back to think about what I said at the outset. What is five g? Five Jesus software driven network. What do we know about software? It's Hackel so what are we doing to protect against that? What are we doing to have cybersecurity to deal with the fact that many of the decisions of how the network runs are being made in the network by artificial intelligence? Not even people aren't involved? What are we doing about the fact that when you hit a hardware based network there was a choke point everything had to go through when you sit there and check things out in the software network? Where all the activities distributed. You don't have that kind of checkpoint so what we did at the FCC. When I was chairman was we were the first country in the world to make five G. Spectrum airwaves available and in putting out that rule. We said that we wanted to have in the standards setting process cybersecurity as a fourth ought not an afterthought every telecommunication standard from the beginning of time has been built and then at the end legal organise. What are we going to do about the security threats and you do some kind of a bolt on patch? We said let's do something upfront. And then we put out called a notice of inquiry in which we said to the smartest people in the country. Tell us how you do that. And then we said we're going go to the standards process and we want a seat at the table not just to have the company's sitting around deciding what they're gonna do but let's have the People's representatives bringing in this information unfortunately at the time every one of the Republican commissioners at the FCC voted against this and when we had the election in two thousand sixteen and they could make up of the commission changed one of the first things that the Republican chairman and Commissioners did with to repeal all of these so we had the opportunity to say. This is a brand new network. Let's deal with the cyber security issue upfront. And unfortunately we walked away from it. That's fascinating but I wanted to ask you what the implications are for having walked away from it. We're GONNA be playing catch up ball. I think that there is a growing concern about this. I think the government and the FCC are probably finally going to step in but the Horse has left the barn. It seems to me. Just I'm trying to read between the lines dirt telling us that China is not the only worry but rather hackers wherever they may be is now the real worry and not. It's not necessarily about China. Well I think we certainly can't underestimate China but in the interconnected network. I mean we've already seen North Korea doing the Sony attack Attacking banks to fund their their activities activities. The Ron does this. Intelligence community has told us that that election interference has been ongoing since the last election. And if five. G. Is the network of the twenty first century which I believe it is and if that pathway is an invitation to attack we ought to be doing something proactively about that and forgive me for insisting on the China thing but why are. Europeans seem more relaxed than Americans do about using China's technology. Well I think you probably have to ask them. I'm not I'm not but I but I I can't. I can't make the observation that our government to be able to work together with our allies on a multilateral basis to be able to attack common challenges and we're not very good at multi-lateralism in this administration. So I guess. In a perfect world there would be some sort of global regulatory framework to deal with the implications or negative implications. This doesn't seem like it's got a really important point. You know it used to be that. The United States was the leader in building the global regulatory structure. And because of the fact that we have been on this for several decades don't touch the Internet. You can't regulate it you may you may break something If you do that we have allowed other nations to step up and make the rules. And who's WHO's in charge now that the US has stepped away or the EU is the is the leading thinker and regulator I think it is a it is a work in progress but I think that. Yes for the most part. They have stepped in to fill a void. The problem is that that void addresses. Some questions that we in the United States have ignored while at the same point in time. Doing it in a way that well you know it just might be advantageous for European companies opposed to American companies and so one of the tragedies of American companies pushing so hard to have no government involvement in their activities is that they're allowing others to make those rules. Who just might have different sets of priorities on the issue of privacy for individuals? We saw some interesting information about countries trusting governments versus corporations with their data. What is your position there? As far as what consumers how protected our consumers we have gone through a fascinating process with the digital alchemy where were private information and my private information has suddenly been turned into a corporate asset. The big online companies have so much information about you and me as it would make big brother George. Orwell's Big Brother Green with envy and yet again. Here's Europe stepping up and saying we're going to do something about privacy and we're still here talking about what we're GonNa do the asking a little bit about how. The wealth gap affects the adoption of this technology. I mean we have a whole bunch of developing countries. That probably don't have the ability to finance and pay for this systems. I mean are we looking now? I know five. G. Has long been seen as a sort of an equaliser. But is it actually going to exacerbate the haves versus have nots in the world where you know the the? Great Muhammed Yunus The founder of remain and the Nobel Peace Prize winner said all you need to do to attack poverty in the world is to give everyone a phone because it opens up all kinds of Newark new opportunities. Whether it's a three g phone reforge phone or hopefully. Eventually if I'm Jay Phone and I would just challenge one of your assumptions going in. It's not gonna be the governments who are going to be building these networks it's GonNa be private companies and that becomes again an issue where we go back to what's the return on investment. I am personally hopeful that we're going to be able to see Five G. rolled out In developing countries As a result of in in remote areas of developing countries as a result of new satellite technologies. Because the most the most expensive part of building a five G. Network in an environment like that is what's called back hole which is how do you get the signal from the the data from the antenna back into the network and normally that involves fiber or something like this which is expensive delay if you can do that. Less expensively by satellite you might have a new opportunity. This is something that's actually happening. As I mean there is a series of new satellites air. Elon Musk and one. Web and others are launching less expensive low-orbit satellites That will provide this kind of back on. And perhaps the pope in this kind of opportunity hopefully opens opportunity. Tom This has been fascinating. Let me ask you a final question. So what sixty will you know? The fascinating thing is that six G is being developed as we speak. It started First of this year and The standards making process is Is One where all of the companies that own intellectual property rights to technology get together and bicker back and forth until they figure out how our technology who works together. I think that we're going to see six g finished as a standard in a shorter period of time than ever than before it. Normally it's been it's been a ten year process between the Geez. Told that it may be as little as eight although let's go along buried and that we're probably going to see some kind of a new way new operation beyond Internet Protocol. I think that there is at least the thought process in some circles that are working on the standard that peavy six of version six of internet protocol has been taken about as far as it can and we may be need to think about eight new concept and that is a mind boggling thought in itself that will be when we have you back for another. Show Tom Thank you so much for joining us on ultramar great to be. Thanks a lot all right. Mony a couple of things struck me about this interview. One is how much the? Us is falling behind and how much Europe has really carved out a leadership role in how to regulate. I'M NOT GONNA say only the Internet how to regulate digital communications. I don't think the US is really aware the US government is really aware of the implications that can have because that shift all power towards Europe and leave the US defenseless and kind of lagging behind on on everything five G. which is Chairman Wheeler has described is going to affect every single aspect of our lives. We mentioned two more things which struck from this interview. One is that I come away with some more hope than I walked in about. How developing countries can access five G. as he described through satellite communications? And so that there won't be left behind and the second thing I'm just struck by his the ease at which hacking is now going to. Its if it if it's bad already just got the impression that five G. is going to make it a whole lot worse. I'm with you on the hacking the developing world. I'm not so optimistic. First of all they have to regulate what to do with these satellites. The satellites are under construction. I still have the huge questions. Who'S GONNA pay for it? Yes corporations are going to build it. But WHO'S GONNA pay for it? Well we'll see who pays for it and protect your accounts because five G. is coming and with that will see you next time on Alta Mar. Thanks for joining us.

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