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Fresh update on "tom thibodeau" discussed on Open Floor: SI's NBA Show
"Knicks. So earlier this week it was revealed an announced by Tom thibodeau that Kemba Walker who was the big off season edition to this team. He would be he's been exercised from the rotation. Julius Randle has predictably reverted back to who he was, I think, in a lot of ways as a basketball player from the all NBA season that he had last year. Our Jay Barrett, who we infamously left off of our top 100 list is significantly worse than he was a year ago, or at least not better, which is not what you want from someone that young who you drafted third overall. Their offense has been atrocious of late. Defense is trending back up towards where it was last year, but is still below league average. What are your thoughts about the Knicks right now? And just like the state of where they're at as an organization. So first of all, shout out to you. I remember this was kind of a point contention because neither one of us was ready to throttle each other over it. But which is good because we like each other, right, Michael. Yes, we do. You know, I was someone that was more bullish on the Knicks going into this season. I thought that what they did was useful. I think they're still finding that fournier is useful from one game to the next sometimes. Kimbo was the exception. Kimbo was shooting above 40% from three and still not really productive, which tells you a ton about the way he was defending, which tells you a ton about the way the ball is moving when he was part of the offense. Or what tells you a lot with him and fournier in the backcourt together, which is kind of what you and Celtics nation was saying all along. So between that and between the stuff about Randall and whether or not that he had a hard regression coming at some point. You know, it's still early enough this season to where he can do better than this. I think my thought process with him is that maybe he can survive without having a really nasty regression because if the offense is better around him, which that was the hope with Kemba and Evan fournier, so be it, you know, that he can get easier shots that way..
Embiid, Simmons extend dominance of Knicks as Sixers roll
"The seventy Sixers coasted to a one oh nine eighty nine something of the nexus Jo Ellen beat had twenty seven points and ten rebounds Ben Simmons had fifteen points nine boards and six assists while also leading the defensive effort that forced New York's RJ Barrett into a two for fifteen shooting performance at one point our I will try to pass the ball so much movement but it's good to see you know guys are willing to you know really turned up and these instruments have never dropped a game at MSG and the Sixers have won their last thirteen meetings with the Knicks overall to buy a terraces have curry each scored seventeen is Philadelphia proved to to Julius Randle scored twenty five points and Alec Burks added twenty two for the Knicks who are now open to under new coach Tom Thibodeau I'm the ferry
How Will Stan Van Gundy Fit With the Pelicans?
"Was a few weeks ago in the ringer NBA show that at the very tail end of the show I recall you saying. Keep an eye out for Stan van Gundy and New Orleans and since we last spoke That came to fruition Stan Van Gundy was hired by David Griffin and the New Orleans Pelicans I think when this all started with the pelicans ouster of Alvin gentry. Through the. Face Tyler had a former relationship with David. Griffin, we talk about my Tony possibly because he had a former relationship via the Phoenix Suns with David Griffin but they do land on Stan van, Gundy as their next head coach when you saw that news come across the wire, would you think great I'm happy I think he could bring some accountability to the team in terms of how much they need it on the defensive end of the floor they were horrific. On defense this season in San Andy. Of course, infamously famously I'm not sure once said build an effing wall and that the Pelicans need to do and I look forward to see what he can do now that he's back in the NBA but by the way like he failed in Detroit because he was coach. Angie 'em now he's just a coach right and he was always a good coach. He was good basketball coach and it was one of those cautionary tales of. It is two different skill sets number one it also in many cases can be two different motivations right if I am if I am the general manager and the coach now let's say I make a poor signing or a poor usage of money will sometimes I may want to use that guy to prove that I was right about this guy right and I know that you Still get into that with with a front offices and coaches anyway, right in in everybody wants to be responsible everybody wants to be right about the move they made. But when you then you're not doing the scouting of every other team on a regular basis, I know you have scouts you're certainly not doing that with college, but it's just a very hard job to do twofold and. Another cautionary tale of taking that over I mean everybody wants that power but I think we've seen two of these guys. Now fact three of these guys. Now, all of which I think you would say were subpar to very below average in that role but. We respect them as guys that are on the sidelines as basketball coaches. That is their expertise in that is doc rivers who took on that role Tom Thibodeau who took on that role and Stan Van Gundy who took on that role and yet got hired as coaches though it didn't go well at their last stops. I mean doc better than the other two but we thought. Hires because these guys are good basketball coaches who were miscast trying to run everything for sure absolutely and ultimately it's another good opportunity for him when New Orleans area there even though they have Zion, they have ingram granted these a restricted free agent. He'll likely back matched any offer sheet or whatever This is still sort of A. Team right now that can go in many different directions depending on how David Griffin wants to build it out and I look forward to seeing the ways in which Van Gundy, Utilize Zion and the ways in which he tries to get him going off because remember you know before all the three point shooting, we've seen the last ten years or so that has. Exploded with the warriors and the rockets and all these teams shooting lot of threes, the magic, Dwight Howard at center and four shooters around him in the late two thousands with anti head coach and they went to a finals. We're going to be lost to Kobe and the Lakers The had some good run they some really strong teams and in with Williamson. With the New Orleans Pelicans, I know they want to add another they don't want to go like all small Wall. With Zion at the five all the time it's it's just went to work but I, think van Gundy's pasts and what he could do now with this roster, it's kind of exciting to think about the possibilities with the different ways in which they can use ion but most importantly though and again, this is like with all the coaching hires we talk about I am more interested in the personnel changes who they draft, who do they try to trade for? Who Do they try to sign I am WHO's coaching the team, but you know I'm excited to see if they're able to get. Zion, going and creative ways that they weren't able to do as much during the season despite his success he posted up a lot man I. WanNa see some more pick and roll with Zion I wanNA see some more creativity with him, handling the ball and running pick and roll, and that will largely come from other personnel changes that come to the roster that allow that to happen. But Hey, man SVG had success with some different types of teams in the past and I look forward to seeing what he can do here with him, and that team has a good roster they under performed badly. Made sometimes teams underperformed because you look at their roster and you go man aol have the goods like that team underperformed I. Think so too. I think of course it I mean look I mean Lonzo I think Lonzo hit one shot in the bubble well, even though they're young that defense was bad even though they had good individual defenders, they've jrue holiday one of the best perimeter guard defenders, Ingraham and Lonzo. They were good defenders of the Lakers. They were the last two years. They were good. They were not good defenders last season with New Orleans. And Zion I, mean he was horrific. He was so bad on defense. It was it was really sad to watch. This is the guy who is blocking three point shots closing out from the opposite side of the paint at Duke just a year prior, which is why people wonder how much of it was fatigue coming back but season how much of it was the injury limiting him how much of it was effort I? Don't know I don't know what it was but regardless. He stunk on defense, and all of this needs to change next season for this team to be anything that have any chance of actually getting into the playoffs it can't be all
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"I loved it there and you listen, you can take the Dukan coaching in the N B a for his longing for his many years. They have any still references. The organization is the program as opposed to the organizing A love that is a good coach. Move is good. That's good college program. The program and you got it from a K that he likes this young court. He said it multiple times that they didn't get enough. They didn't get enough out of this young core. And I think that that's the case that the only question mark I have is what they think of Zach Levine, but that this is a This is a GM and a coach that are going to work in concert with each other in drafting players in acquiring players, and that's something we haven't seen in a while. We have seen a front office with Gar and packs in of going out on their own, doing their own thing. And then just saying Here you go. Enjoy. We can always go back to how Tom Thibodeau wanted. Why can't I think of his name right now? You just leave me alone. Leave me out yet. You're just gonna leave me Just gonna leave me hanging there, aren't you? I don't I don't know what you're thinking. Draymond Green. How Tom Thibodeau wanted Draymond Green and on. I don't know why I couldn't take a dream on green just now, and it's not. It's not Don't it's not edible Switch. So when Tom could be wanted Draymond green, and it's not not yet. It's too early, but I'm on the air. Come on. I'm a professional. Yes, yes, little Cat. Yes, improbably, is the amount because Affective memory, but not currently. Okay during hungry and get on with the way we got your name on what you got Problem here. You'd even you didn't even let me take another shot at the Pac 12 before you moved onto bulls, but that's neither here nor there. There. So when Tom Thibodeau wanted Draymond Green and with the front office didn't didn't draft him and how great he would have been For the Bulls, and you know it's selling draft picks and some that's something that you shouldn't be doing when you're doing a rebuilt. These are mistakes that front off the front Bulls front office has made before. And now hopefully with a K and with Billy Donovan. They're gonna work together to get talent and I love everything about this higher so far everything that they said in the press conference to news great Let's go to Salim in Elgin, you're on ESPN 1000 Leave a fellow Thanks for taking my call. Donovan today. I love it. I love the hiring of proud, pleasantly surprising. And something that you know makes you realize that man really on the new era where this is top of higher that the Bulls previously would never have done, especially when you see how much will it cost to get in with six million a year contract that That's not on brand for the Bulls. Couple of the nose out for the present today. I don't know if you guys noticed, but very Donald previously mentioned that when he left, Okay, see the bulls worn on his radar. Like in his mindset. He wasn't thinking about the Bulls. And he got a call from a K and a sold him on coming to the ball. He sold them on his vision and granted. Billy Donovan isn't a player, but I feel like that bodes well and free agency going forward that a K is able to sell him and the Bulls. Two people that are coverted three agents in a sense because Billy down and it could have gone anywhere he wanted to this offseason, but he talked to a K and he You know? Fall in love with the vision that a case older mind and said, Yeah, let's let's do this. Let's outcome to the bold, absolutely Salim appreciate the phone call and I picked up on that, too. Is that It was a K being proactive and telling Billy Donovan why he would fit with what they want to do with this organization. I thought it was very impressive, and I agree, you know, Billy Donovan said after the night that they figured out he wasn't going to return the Oklahoma City. That he drove home the next day, 17 hours and I was like, Well, let's meet tomorrow like I I want. I want to meet with you right now. Let's get this done is like, Can I have the weekend s o? I thought that that was very impressive Dollar, do you? What do you want to talk some gambling and look forward to. Ah, Week three in the NFL. Always always all right coming up. Next. We will.
Knicks hire Kentucky's Kenny Payne as assistant coach
"UK head coach John Calipari is in the market for an assistant that after Kenny Pain, announced he is leaving the program. He'll join the New York Knicks as an assistant coach, according to ESPN. He is the first formal higher by new Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau.
Tom Thibodeau Named New York Knicks Head Coach
"It's official does Tom is the new head coach of the next. He spoke earlier today take listen. Today eager. This is a dream come true for me. This is my dream job of been there before of a great understanding of New York I think we have the best city in the world. We have the best arena, the world we have the best fans from a look. Kendrick, do you think your old assistant coach will be able to change the way that free agency feel about the New York Knicks? Well Listen Rachel this Taleb's was bought to develop a winning coach. They got a guy by the name of William Wesley that they have. They call them worldwide West Reason. He's GonNa be the guy deal going get the free age. is going to be in in doing all the dirty work and making sure guys play hard every night. That's what to do. Yeah. I. Mean the leadership that's under doling now. Real Wild West Leon Rose Scott Perry these boys they're going to track reagents and tips being the leader of these men and coach. Bring winning kosher there. There's no doubt in my mind that this is a very attractive place now.
Knicks close to deal to make Tom Thibodeau coach
"Former Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau is reported to be the next head coach of the New York Knicks sides are said to be finalizing a multiyear deal at the PGA three M
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"For Tom Thibodeau to be the team's new head coach. The narrative on Well he has got. What about somebody can all that has been available coaches that one no market what happened with several what may happen with those relationships with younger guys. Yes, Indy, the New York Knicks finishing a deal to make Tom Thibodeau their next head coach. The 2011 NBA coach of the year is a former Knicks assistant. He comes to the Knicks after two plus seasons with the Timberwolves that included the franchises first playoff berth and 14 years but an ultimate dismissal centered around all star Jimmy Butler's trade demand. That happened in 2019 Dickerson and a hood on fibs to Big apple. I think what he could do. Jonathan is help the Knicks win a reasonable number of games and then maybe They do land a big free agent one of these upcoming years that maybe if you have to, you know, change out the coach, then tow Get to that next step, So be it. But the question was, as of yesterday when I mentioned that Jason Kidd report was out there. Jason Kidd does have a great relationship with Johannes and you know he might relate better to some of these younger pending free agent superstar type players. Look No one is going anywhere in the N B A R unless they feel like they've got a shot to win. It doesn't matter if they love the guy doesn't matter if they're friends with the head coach, and they don't feel like they have a chance to really win. They're not going to go there. At least, Thibodeau, I think Will help them win more games were potentially down the road. A free agent would choose New York because he thinks Hey, maybe I've got a shot to build something here and one day become a contender. The Chicago thing was John Paxson was the vice president of operations. You want to have someone that was like minded? I need someone tough. So wouldn't consent, the culture, you know, No. B s guy even was that guy was very successful that very few coaches in Chicago's successful Phil Jackson Tom Thibodeau. They're like in the same vein as Faras success in Chicago without the championships, of course, without for Thibodeau. And you think about his time in Minnesota. Well, that was kind of rocky when Jimmy Butler got there for about a year, So you know, being a people's person? Maybe not his best attributes, but definitely Getting the most out of players instead of your culture. That's what it does best. The head scratcher for me, though Jeff is that worldwide West and Leon Rose are the new Structure for the New York Knicks in their front office. Did they even talk to Mark Jackson Jackson's become the Brian Billick of coaching candidates. Anytime. Bobby marks ESPN Ba Front office insider on Game night on the thought that this for Thebes Is going to be a rebuild at the start when you have the control of basketball operations, and you have that dual role. I think there's a lot on your plate. So you know, I think that certainly heard him certainly. Jimmy got her situation. How it ended, probably did him in. I think Tom's track record in Chicago has certainly you know if you're looking at a rebuild, I mean the next you know, check the boxes, cap flexibility, traffics and young players here, so I think there's going to have to be a patient level. But If you're looking probably for a win now, coach right now, But you know, of course, they don't have a win now Team. Kids is probably, you know, a good fit. I thought I certainly thought Kenny Atkinson, who was in Brooklyn for a while, would probably been maybe a little bit of a better fit. If you're probably trying to take some of the smaller steps, and then you're really going to make an emphasis on player development. Surprise. Well, not Michael Wilbon. We've been expecting this right, George. I mean, It's not a surprise. This has always been a job that kids Wanted from his time, you know, with the Knicks, and you know the man who had represented him for quite a while. His former agent of courses, you know, making the decision essentially Kids are certainly a coach that would be on anybody's short list. About the Jets. Finally dealing Jamal Adam's find out which team on the other side and Lou Williams in hot water with the league details when sports that are all night bounces back..
Tom Thibodeau contract: Knicks finalizing five-year deal
"Knicks appear to be on the verge of landing their top choice to be their next head code in New York Post reports. The team and Tom Thibodeau are close to finalizing a five year deal. The 62 year old Connecticut native was fired last season as the head coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves. And prior to that he coached the Chicago Bulls, where he was voted N. Ba coach of the year in 2011 libido would be the next 13th head coach since Jeff Van Gundy left in 2001. At the time, Fido was the Knicks assistant
New York Knicks hiring Tom Thibodeau as next head coach
"So Tom Thibodeau is gonna be the head coach of the next. Here's our guy. Stephen A. Smith, Our first take host was on return to the MBA, and he discussed the positives and negatives. Of the Knicks hiring Fido. Nevertheless, nobody can argue that Davidow has the most successful resume it available coaches that one open market he's one about 59% of the games. You know the job you did in Chicago. We noted he sold it to the postseason first time in like a decade for like, 13 years. We know that he's with one could easily argue whether not Doc Rivers would be a champion as a head coach had it not been for top Thibodeau being his assistant. In Boston back in 2008. So all of those things come with He's got an incredible reputation. Terms of knowing the game of basketball of the entire Lesley committed to the game of back, eat, lives and breathes basketball day and night. Um and you combine that with the fact that again either defense with it, though, that a pluses minuses. The fact that in Chicago there were issues with Paxson and guard form in the general manager In Minnesota. There was an issue with the owner, Glen Taylor, and management, along with the fact that Jimmy Butler wanted to be traded went off Thibodeau, his former coach in Chicago, by the way. Was his president of basketball operations and to coach in Minnesota. And so as a result, you've got a home and believe that Tom Thibodeau has made the necessary adjustments. He's seen the error of his ways. Some respect player relations. And even relations with management and that this is a good deal because I'm here and it's a three year deal. Garrity fully guarantee the other two years, a partial guarantee in excess of about for $4 million. But in the end It seems to be a match made in heaven. Considering the fact that both will you, Wesley Elia Rose Go back over Quarter century with activity. He knows they've known him that long.
AP source: Knicks close to deal to make Tom Thibodeau coach
"Knicks and Tom Thibodeau are finalizing a five year deal to make him the franchises. Next head coach sources tell ESPN So A new coach for the Knicks is on the way in Jamal Adam's Jonathan is on his way out of town.
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Them to go with Tom Thibodeau to be their next head coach. And that'll be the next, you know, decision that this organization needs to make. But the report about Jason Kidd potentially becoming the next head coach. It might be a problem. On its own. Just because you look at Jason Kidd and you look at his record as a head coach, hey, was 40 foreign 38 with the Nets before leaving. He was 1 39 and 1 52 with the box. Now is a Ah bench coach or is on the bench is ah, assistant with the Lakers. But The reasons reportedly, why the Knicks would be interested in Jason Kidd as a head coach are the same reasons that this team has been making decisions for the last at least 10 years. Bringing in people too, maybe appeal to LeBron or bringing in head coaches to appeal to top free agents are bringing in guys that they think we're going to be ableto have other players want to come play with me? In this particular case, the Knicks it's reported that they believe that Jason Kidd, being their head coach could help them Laura Yannis to the Garden. When he becomes a free agent in the summer of 2021. I mean, come on. Yonas apparently looked up Tio Tio Jason Kidd. Um and You know who knows what their relationship is, but he looked up to him. And maybe that would be somewhere where they want to go. The Knicks cannot operate like that. Not again. How many times you gonna be burnt before you keep doing that used to something different? Negative. Continue doing the same thing over and over again. They failed miserably. They've brought in different head coaches to Laure. What? Whether was D'Antoni years ago? Um, forget, even And then there's been so many year over the last several years, but They bring in these different head coaches time and time again. Oh, Fizdale, most recently D'Antoni Fizdale That's supposed to Lord the players here. Or they create Cap space to lore, free agents and they trade for DeAndre Jordan Toe hope that his body's Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are going to come join him. They? That's the complete wrong way to build a team. You don't do that. That's backwards. You build the foundation first, and then others may want to join. You Don't build it in hopes. Oh, well, Jason Kid may not be the best coach When you compare him to Tom Thibodeau. He's nowhere near the Actual coach that Tom Thibodeau is or Kenny Atkinson. Let's say another name that's been thrown out there. But he might be friends with Yod is and maybe we can lure. Um, if kid is our coach, maybe he'll come here like you're gonna do pianists and to come into the garden just because you hired Jason Kidd as the coach. I mean, come on. It's not gonna work. It doesn't work like that. And maybe the Knicks of anybody should know that that's not the right way to build it. They keep falling for the same trick. I think that's gonna work this time. No. Hire a real coach who's going to get some real players in here and developed real players. And then maybe we'll have other real players want to come join. I'll believe it when I see it with the honest leaving anyway. So imagine this. Imagine a an organization so stupid. So stupid. That they've tried this move at least two or three times before. To once again under another rebuild with a new president knew people running things with Leon rose at the helm. Imagine them building the foundation based off of Hopes that someone a maybe available because you don't know if he's even going to leave and the sum of 2021 2021 or be if he was available would come to your team just because well, you hired as a head coach. As opposed to actually hiring the best head coach. If you thought Jason Kidd was the best head coach, Fine. But that's the decision. You're going to make your going to try to hire Jason Kidd because you hope That Johannes might want to come there. Because of that move. That is as dumb as it gets. No, it's not surprising. Go as won't said. Yanis has a good relationship with kid, but he's a respectful guy. He's going to be respectful of whoever the coaches If he really, you know. Do you think the box Would have got rid of kid. If they thought that it would hurt their chances and re signing Yanis. No, they said. We feel like we got to be better. We got a team that could be better. Yannis wants the win. Winning is what matters most. Whether the idiot Nick's going to get that They're always trying to take the shortcut The easy way out. Oh, we bring in this guy. Then we could get LeBron all Fizdale. He's buddies with all the players. Yeah, I know the free agents were lined up. Flocking to the garden. Bobby Portis and all the other scrubs they signed to a one year deal. Julius Randle. Wow. Yeah, everybody, they couldn't wait to play with Fizdale. Nixon Nixon, So AH, I mean, there's so many options, with free agents dying to come there to play with Fizdale. It's amazing. They didn't end up with one good player because of it. I don't know how that happened. They had cap space. They had the head coach that players supposedly loved and they still ended up with squat. And they're going to try it again. With Jason get now I don't think that that's actually gonna happen. I'll give Leon Rose and company the benefit of the doubt. And Say that they'll make smarter moves. Than trying to build a team based on hope off hiring a certain head coach because of AH potential relationship. That he.
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on The Full 48
"Two point two five to two point five to always. And I watched them from start to garbage time. And I do not do anything else. My computer is not open other than my my like, I have a file of things for the ten things. So when I see something I can say, you know, this is a clip. I don't have Twitter open. There is no second screen. I can't do a second screen. So I'm just watching that game. Then I'll watch another game. And then if I have time all watch you'll crunch time of another game or a half of another game. Back on league pass. Yeah. Sometimes sometimes you run into time. Right. Sometimes like time opens up it might as well. Spend this half hour watching a half of this this game, thus the two point five. But that's all I do. I I don't I task. I don't I just watch the games. And honestly, like the two games is religion to me. I sacrifice everything else about the job because I just think on some fundamental level you have to watch. And so like if there's if there's a source who's like, hey, can you call me at nine thirty in a less someone I need to get for a story. I'm like, we gotta do it tomorrow. Like, I just because if I spent half an hour on the phone with you, then my whole night is screwed up. Like like, I just think the watching of the games is so fundamental that there are times where I've missed other things to do that. And like probably stupid how religious I am about it. Honestly, like there's been a couple of dinners. I didn't go to because I was like I've I'm just behind. I gotta do this lake it's, but that's just how I offer it. That's no. But it's it's incredible dedication to. Nobody other parts of the job that I sacrifice. For for that. Because I just feel like if you let that knowledge base slip. That's got to be. And I actually think we you and I've talked about this. And I think it was in your list of topics. I think the NBA the less it becomes about the game. I think at some point the NBA is going to have to look in the mirror. So we about basketball or are. We about player movement and three screens and Twitter and all this stuff. Like or do we care about the game? Do we care about the actual encore product? In people understand understand biggest thing last night was Jaanus threw a ball at hardens head that was. It wasn't really funny. I mean, it was about the basketball even last night. There was a fair amount of attention about the bucks scheme for Hardin. And how they shaded bright and Eric Bledsoe. I think every Bledsoe must have burned seventy five calories. Just raising his hands in that game. But it like it's less about the game than ever before. And it just trends more and more in that direction of it's more about other stuff. And I just think it should be about the game. Yeah. I mean, it's a tricky balance for them in the league, especially under Adam the marketing under David to obviously. But they the marketing part of the entertainment part of it the engagement with fans, the chatter, the Twitter stream, the video everything they've done a decent job of getting both to a high level right for sure. And and frankly for some of us that just means we're just completely maxed out. All right. You gotta get going. I got to vacate the studio pretty soon because our football knuckleheads have to come in here. And it says it says SIMS and left goes stop cursing. Right here. Do they have a problem? They apparently have a problem. Like, we have cursed on this podcast you and I personally have others have Michael Rapaport, certainly dropped a fair number of F bombs while he was set in the studio, but we don't have we don't have. We don't have a profanity problem on the full forty eight. These Simpson left go podcast. They've they've got a profanity problem so those, but those guys have a lot issues they've got, you know, just certain behavioral things that maybe should have been taken care of many. I I can't speak to that. I'm gonna let you bet. Oh, they're great coworker. People should be listening to the Simpson left. Go podcast. Stick to football podcast are others. You should definitely be listening to the low post, and you should read Zack's attending..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on The Full 48
"Luxury tax bills harder to attract guys, I wanna see that other model in Dallas as you point out pulled it off that way. But they are, you know, once in a twenty year span, it's not once it's the way people talk about it is the if you look historically, you always had at least two hall of famers in Detroit with four it's like, well, you know, Cianci, I'm Ben Wallace both gonna make it or is that going to be on the team that actually qualifies as the. Well, I think a team that we don't talk about enough. And they're they're interesting, and I did no digging into them because I didn't know we were going to talk about this. But I think dispersed him that made back to back finals toward the end in in two thousand thirteen to two thousand fourteen is like Dunkin was still really good, right? But more talking you're right. Tony was still really good particularly in the first run. But he wasn't you know, there was a moment where it was like his Tony Parker top two point guard in the NBA that moment at past Monica was old. Yeah. Colli one finals MVP, but was not Colli yet. I mean that was a team that you can sorta killing the DO and was a key player on that team. Starting Diaz shoulda Danny green was ill. You can sort of like, I don't know. What does that is that a super team is? I don't know what that team is. But like, I think it's closer to the Dirk team than it is to the shack. Kobe team, for instance. Fair there. Anyway, I'm I'm curious to see how the next couple of years unfold. I think it's healthier for the league on some level to have talent more dispersed than it has been at least in in recent history. Just because there's hoping more markets that way, we'll see we care enough about the all star game. It's to discuss all star balloting. Doers. Should we the only thing? I my only question there is I was making preliminary lists of potential all stars. Because I do you have the league. Ballot. Are you part of the media panel? I am. Yeah. I am as well. So I don't want to be in the my my cursory view of this like it so much harder in the west in the east and somebody else had raised a concern. And they're right. And I can't remember who to credit it to. But basically like if they're just having to captain's pick teams now, why are we voting east west? Anyway, we should just pick twenty four all stars on the ballot because thing number ten in my com tomorrow. Excellent dislike I dislike the all star. Ballot. Yeah. It sucks. But this happened last year when everybody got hurt. Yeah. And they and they had they did they believe they did the injury replacements by conference. I think right. Didn't they do this? Yes. But why why why do we still give crap about conferences? Why are we? Why are we voting a starter to conference base starters? But here's what you get. When you're the start when you're a starter. You don't does lineups don't exist. You don't start those lineups. All you get by being voted in as a starter is either you're the captain or you're guaranteed to be one of the first ten picks in the draft that they do. Right. But it's those lineups are fake. Why are we the whole the whole thing is are we? Zack is now throwing things in the studio, by the way, just think he's I don't. Yeah. I don't I don't really care delete goes halfway on some of these things like they're they keep going one toe at a time on this first they created the the captain's thing, but they didn't want to televise it. Now, presumably we're finally going to televise it. We're still waiting for the details of that. But we're still going east west while they've broken depth. They've admitted that east west is dumb for purposes of constructing the actual game rosters. But we're still voting on my com tomorrow, Kevin be conferences, and there shouldn't be as much positional rigid. Rigidity Regis rigidness rigidity. Also, Ben Simmons is listed as a guard. Yeah. Why I well. He plays point guard. Okay. So he's been Simmons. He's six and he's Hugh fends are just let me put him in..
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"You are not the boss. You're the orchestra conductor. You're not the boss of the tuba player. You're just trying to make sure the two player tubas when there's also the boss, you're still the boss, and I just think there's a style of bossing that like Eric's bolsters the boss in Miami. Oh, no doubt Assan white size on playing while some white is not gonna play. He doesn't get rich. Carlisle, those guys are bosses, and I do think there's an art which coach was I think you I think secretly I didn't not secretly. I wrote a big piece about this in the playoffs last year. I think the other guy who's like that. And we don't realize it is Brad Stevens. I think the key is he will just calmly tell you in a meeting. This is your place on the team. This is why you're not playing this is why you're going to the bench this these are what I and then he'll probably I'm sure ask for their thoughts. And it'll be a discussion. But his word is the word, and that's it like, I just think like we both say all this stuff about the coach has to be a collaborator. And mister nice guy and all this and also lionize what riccar Lau Gregg Popovich, Eric Spoelstra. And maybe Brad Stevens are becoming and those guys have the well the the first three have rings. Once you get a ring, you can do whatever you want. So I don't I don't I think the right answer. Is there still value in like the coach has to be able to coach the coach has to be empowered to coach he has to be the final word. He has to have the organizations backing when he pisses a player off, but there's a way to do those things and still have an open door policy and still leave the players feeling like they are heard, and they have a chance to change your mind and all of that. And that's that's hard. That's hard to do. I think is that. Do you think that tips has that? Because when I think about what you're saying. I agree pop. We think about as the ultimate old school coach. But pop has the switch he flips. Right. He is ultimate taskmaster and barking and whatever else when he has to op called Patty mills fat publicly, and it was like fine. And and he because he he he inspires belief and respect I, but also he gets to know his players as people he's the guy who can bark at you woman and put his arm around you the next Tibbs, I feel like has one half and maybe. Undeveloped on the other. So the question then becomes to me. Are we going to see tips as a head coach in this league? Again, does he have the very popular parlor game? Right. The NBA insiders is that it for tips. I think honestly, if you're you are forcing me to answer this question. If you force me to bet I would say he's never had coach again in the NBA. And then the follow up question to that. Is that you get from people who think he will be as okay? So what is he going to be going to be an associate head coach? Is he going to go into the media? Does he have the personality to go into the media? I don't know the answers to those questions. I just know if you force me to put money right now on his tubes. The head coach or not at some point in the future. I'm going not that doesn't mean. I'm right. Just and that doesn't mean I feel even seventy percent confidence level in that answer. That's just the answer. I'd I'd have to give. Yeah. No people forget how quickly your time can pass in this league. Even if you had some some modem of success like it's it passed us quickly. There's always a new crop of hot commodities of young coach. Coming up the the door shut rather quickly. All right enough enough. Minnesota Timberwolves, Tom tiptoe talk. Unless there was some great. Yeah. I'm done. The latest additions deplete your poor poke cost comedy be off. Book bull rank is about the realm bull. What we might know itself. Is it top turvy coats, the Janke well away hit out things in the right order. Join me Jack Collins without rancor in chief someti- football..
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"We not expecting all that from him. Even though we still we still need him to be somebody. But it's not like we need him to be that might be a Rudy gay scene as I got auto of potential, but never quite put Rudy gay is a very good. Very good basketball player. It was never like an all star. That's why the Spurs now he he fits in. So with eight he worked on three point shooter. It'd be okay of Brandon Ingram ended up is really gay would. I be okay. Yes. A fan because I okay. Because I don't know. I don't know. I mean, really as been head some very the for Brandon Ingram is kind of different from me because I wanted to be the best you could be an I don't care if he does as a Laker who whoever but I like the I like his game. So like to. If we get to next year middle of next year, and he still hasn't evolved to the point where he's getting up to the twenties. Right. What is there does your opinion on him change my won't because I know why he's not into the twentieth. If the Brian James was under seeing right now, he definitely be a twenty point score without a doubt without a doubt. Lebron James is a hard as gotta play with us greatest. He is. And I like how he's playing now. He's very distributive. He had I think when you say when. He come back. You don't know how you don't know. Ain't Lonzo I'm gonna look at. It's just like they tone down a steady. Now, don't look as good because LeBron's mic and like that's the gif occur and cursive plan with Brian James. And that's why I wanted to second star so badly because we need somebody who could still be a twenty plus score. When the bronze they're just period. How long are we LeBron been out when game get injured? Okay. So he's been out total of seven games. Now. We're two and five twenty five. I see. But for some reason other than last night last night. You obviously saw Brandon Ingram. Right, right. Last night. He was going. But like the game before that when they were going to get the timber. I was watching that before the bulls. I mean, I mean, they they are. are game is none of them came to play. Right. Right. Right. But I feel like a lot of time. I don't see his impact. Not if that's if I'm not looking for or something you're today. Yesterday tweeted about Lonzo if Lonzo was consistent you'll be around. That's right. That's the whole Lakers. But yes, but like you say that because at about anything, but Brandon anger if you look at his numbers. They'll also go down, you don't know why you know, why? Because that's why I don't understand why they can they should make a big deal about this. Because y'all got LeBron. I mean. Yeah. You gotta run Ambro. I'll be like they were doing the same thing with LeBron wouldn't there's no microscope. We can be lottery team. Lebron? That's how we're going to show y'all. Thank y'all so much watching this episode while you're okay. No thoughts on we. We got Phoebe Watson. Jaren jackson. No trae young trae young. I think he's going to be his own player. He's going to he's going to be his own plan. Put a comparison on on all all thinking. Yeah. I see for McAfee. I'd say Stephen as Berea, Stephen. CNS debut. Yeah. I don't know. Going gonna know like his place has maybe JJ worrying too because of its height because you have to play a certain way, if you're a small, I would I'm not saying he's gonna JJ berry. He's gonna be bad when I was Mary's game yesterday. I was getting heated that JJ bureaus, you're very he's very good over Lonzo ball Tyson Chandler down thinking that game. They showed his flashback to his first career game. And I'm like van yet a full head of hair. He was boy out of Herod everything. Sites. Mavericks didn't that old time? He was on. Two thousand six you went on drafted, right? Maybe draft a second round pick..
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"Right now and twenty nineteen I'm taking think Think of of that. that. Oh, but it's eighteen I'm still rolling with charisma. Because that can really play play like twenty games or this. But. That argument every time I talk about the NBA. I'm basing of what I saw now from I can't I? You know, I'm personally so bad at protecting the players career. Oh, you look like he'll be a star in ten years. I'm so bad at this. So when I'm talking to now, I'm pretty good so often shoe right now mobile or look dodge, which you say, look, okay. Because look at the arts is better right L to. Well. I can't I can't pick. No, he's saying he doesn't he doesn't have the ability to project prior is going to be growing. So okay. Let's do this with you. Okay. Everybody. You know, it ain't no right or wrong question. But he has to give you your chance would do you think went Bill Carter is going to be. Hey, don't be worried about being right or wrong with this is everybody to see I feel like his silly would be Al Horford. Okay. So flow a couple of Allston. Maybe never even an all star. But just like a very solid player defensively offensively. They don't let them man shoot the ball. That is a that is a very good assessment though. Thank you. But I, but I just don't feel confident raido again. There's no no, no not very educated. Everything you said it was correct. Right. But like. Like you. I don't even know what the way, but any time we ask them to guess he'd be remember that play. Oh. Anything wrong. It's not I'm a different person than they're like, I'll make playoff. So like when it comes to players general because you never really know like I would never project. The victim depot to take the pizza. I would've never protect some of the players to be as bad as they were after the first couple of seasons. I did protected. The stocks jumped out that's the fun part though is being able to make those. I guess I was really bad Alpher paid not paid was not that you may people do the. But like I feel good when I can go back and pull my Zach LeVine tweets from twenty fourteen. We'll do it. I'll say, yes. She. Clear. I haven't had right now with Klay Thompson. You were you were early Klay Thompson egos. You cost stay where he was. He was just heard a loud, and he didn't. I mean, that's here. That's when I was there. But I did do I got Jaanus though. I got you on this very very early. He's playing with him to a sixty overall. And I was I caught that when early, but I got gotta track record write somebody going. Karakouz? Mm-hmm. Same question, but just different player. Because Kaku is a very intriguing what it'd be. Tobias harris. Yeah. I could see axiom being better than spicy to comparison. Because nowadays you see him put the ball on the floor. A lot really puts his hair done a lot to did. They in that our Harrington wrote about what about BI because that's the hardest. One fiasco. I don't know how he played in the Bronx big right now. He's playing well because he had the ball in his hand. Like almost all the time him Lonzo. I don't know if he's gonna be that same person because I a lot of he gets around ten fifteen points off of just what he'd be disappointing. If he was just Christmas. No, but he needs, but it doesn't provide that shooting that Christmas brings no now. Just as in a row he like the Senate. Because he's the second overall Pete right now. I don't know. I did fine. If we have like, the LeBron James, you know, what I'm saying, isn't that? He doesn't have to be that number one guy..
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"I loaded clips, I don't do you. Tune in every night. No Watson the clippers though. Just because I you rarely see a team that don't have no superstar. He's so successful. That's what I like about. Everybody plays team Bobo. Yeah. That's really good. How you'll go to guys with a bunch of great pieces around onto a you. Don't need them to do it every night K two. And. Tobias. Here's Joe to answer your question. No. I think I'd I'd put it Tobias. Harris y'all go to buy those who you might. Gal both I would go gallon army to I'm gonna go get an are. I'm I mean seeing nine from three forty four. Ninety two. Into from the three to be all nice mockery. Throw forty four from three forty five my career. From your career numbers? So off you know, he's he's around the twenty one St. nineteen point five six rebounds to assist. Those type of those numbers remains together. They made one superstar. But they together they should just make one off star one all star. But yeah, I like to you know, you can go pet bear, you know, those shea Montreal heroes. My hero down there. You get everything can read thought he was should have been should have been. And you know, you got Louisville off the bench every barely, you know. Bradley trying to get back into the groove of things shut out to the Tang journal campaign and getting a new contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Anything to keep a job, which is crazy because now our chances of getting the number one pick our little bit less. Not a camera pain is in Kevin cavalier. Now, imagine. This gesture say you at all star weekend, something you run into campaign. I do run into the camera. What are you going to say nothing diving analysis? No, no, not even like that night. He acknowledges you, but I was up. Now, what if you say, it ain't no would have been talking crazy? By. You heard me wrong. He always tweet load doubters. I doubt it's like people. No. But I get it reached I felt a lot of bullets people. People doubted him because he ain't done. So prove you wrong. That's it which Anthea day was do. I don't think I've ever we always talk about. How articles very interesting where he said that the number one thing on his priority list is is winning. And he said every night he just thinks about what his teams have been with boogie being injured last year. He thought they could have wanted championship which is. All right away delayed. And then he mention how right now they got paid missing a lot of time. They got nego miss a lot of time. And he always wonder how good his seems could be if it was them injury. And I watched this last night. He was being a man hooping on five. I don't know. I think any any candidate is like his situation and the good thing about him is that you don't have to decide right now, he gets his she'll I'm in the front office decided they want to trade them right now. But he gets his shoe try to continue to be what he can't the world's. I wonder what their attendance rate is. Because when I watched them, it seems like it's really people in a crowd. And I'm like this is Anthony Davis in people are not coming to what I would easily paid sick money to watch Anthony Davis play. But I can't when he's here because the super expensive is just a cog. Oh, kid. But I'm sure that tickets in the world is probably not that crazy, but people they got a low attendance rating. Yeah, I'm going to Google it right now NBA at twenty eight Wayne starts, he rebounds, four assists. Fifty one percent from a field. Thirty one percent from three in eighty percent. From the free throw line. I'm sure he's averaging somewhere near two blocks as well year. Two point six one point eight steals. Okay. Anthony Davis is having a phenomenal year. Is math franchise my fantasy team. Yeah. I mean, they all move so much..
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"You ever go rebounders at seven foot. I wanna talk about like the grizzlies like some teams after a great strides are starting to fall out of basically the playoffs. They made the trade for just a holiday Dave, Owen, Owen to write sustain Owen. Three sister. Pelicans. That I will never really on agree to change. Just because they they never changed. They game. They still I don't know. What what do they rank offensively? I got you. I'm not a fan of because it wasn't planned Parsons. And I feel like he they need that type of thing. I just don't like and I had a fan out grizzlies fan. Demi Sam my colleague is a dog. I'm like my currently a salad, but he's not a dummy. Twenty-six offensive rating. It's also being the slowest team, mentally it's hard to be successful. They want against the league at this point. They really just the average as team the have some hope, but they not there. I mean, I like how innocent I like, Marcus. You're gonna win games of saw and Mike Conley seven star seller because you do have Jaren Jackson. So imagine if you were able to get a nice pick. And I know that they're pick is gone. But I'm sure it's top five protected. It's who is it. Repay? They got that the clippers in a king. Imagine imagine if you had Jaren Jackson atop player from this draft. Yvonne Carter, and you you have a nice something. And India, I'm sure you'd be able to get something back for us all think so because I may be looking at the contract we like who won't trae for thirties because this year he has been very good started off the season good. But said they'll Agassi like a team need and what he brings I'm not necessarily need him. But a lot of teams could use somebody who's kind of like a defensive pain. Protect the pet agree with Donna shot. But like all the things that are really competing already have a center here. Right. Would you rather give all those pieces? Like, you don't know what? Margaret cells can bring to you. You. Skill. But you don't know how he's going to be when a new team we were saying saying they about the same thing. Yeah. Both players like they should be on different teams. And my colleague he's thinking about contracts thirty thirty four million next year. First of all it's really trying to say that first of all we gave my county love. And we thought I hit my collar shirt on right now. Trying to say he deserved to be like, no, he's never really going to be. He's never going to be an all star leather Russell Wickford Steph curry he got a fight that every year. That's just the point guards guards are one group now. But that's just the point that we ain't even talking about James harden into roll like an end to do as I did it. Everybody would be saying I'm like, bro. He's literally a decade younger than. Literally like twenty one and he started one relax Mike, Mike the dog like, bro. No. He is. Not I read this article the other day he had dog. Russell westbrook's. What does Russell Westbrook of Mike? I read this article, it's not really article. It's a fan wrote blog posts and the guy tried to lock his that. Mike. Conley wasn't a hall of Famer. He wasn't all he we'll be hollow. Without being any all any Allstars. Once all defensive second scene. Two-time sportsmanship award winner are them. I do. Mcdonald's all America is true because Greg ode pretty solid college career for that. Was there for one season? They went to the. Final four went to the champion, which it's because of Greg ode. No, he's not. That was not making. Joe I. It's not even not these as the man is currently working with the port. Same and bringing them to on presidents efficiency this early in the season where he was if see his leadership Italians one day fame who was her Shelvin Mack. No data say was hurt. They said they tell you. Oh, who says no is what the question is. I'll say no, I wouldn't do big on a grizzlies anyway because the rockets. So you knew those team we're gonna come back and done the was out to it that point too..
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"Like imagine of Luca Danni can go somewhere because he was fearing for his life. He's a big time player. Kristaps porzingis. We have major people in our league that are foreign born players. So many of them to the NBA is crazy diverse. The honest, yo kids, you know, go on and on which is great players from other countries. So I mean, that's how many also I was going to because they've been Simmons's AUSSIE Yokich presenters was healthy. He beat all-star Joel will be. Horford is not going to be an offset issue. Al Horford, technically counts like Harry was born in Germany. They go on and on and on this Stephen Adams. You know, we can really go on and on on more news. Michael Carter was traded for an Iraq. Instead of boom. Welcome back. Seconds later has been a way week. All we don't know what he was known even before. Then why did they sign? Remember we bought out? Then you talk about male us. Like, why do they say microcosm wheel mellow? Yeah. That was. Roster. He ain't give wave. But. Yeah, it was way we emcee w six hundred thousand dollars that's got waived. Again, the Lorenzo Brian got weighed about a raptors hatching, Pat McCaw and that Pat McCaw situation is something to watch because the warriors are urging the lead to take a look into why the Cavs sign Hamid then quickly relief for like for him. No because he was a restricted free eight week. One an explanation about that. And being at Santa part of the game. But Cy I know we talked about him with the Sixers and thing what are teams that y'all think are going to be interested because he he's gonna bring size and shooter. I don't know when she because the now this is the Lakers could really use another shoe to rock is definitely will probably bring him back vest and to bring back home. I'll probably look into. That's my light in the most. That's why you got the max biggest country you're gonna maverick before. He went rockets Mavericks grizzlies hoop second round pick baby. He also friends would Blake Griffin the pistons you. Awesome accord because it's so okay right now, they are sitting at the nine see this is lost a playoff spot to the Mets. Then that's I cannot cannot show some loads of nets because they. Now, I want to know why not even pronounce this man's name. Cross creek talking about Don rebellious. Osceola name, new Fay. He jumped twenty says they put him in the lineup they've been so so good on the office side of the ball. And it's not like he's dropping twenty a night. He's had had twenty nights, but like their offices flows better with him on the court, which is very weird because it's still missing cares. Lavar, Rodney how this Jefferson's entered. They had the manual shooting threes last night. Yeah. I laughed too. Handed Ohka corner. Three. He's good. He's got to do to get back in rotation. He's trying to really. Green be what he did. No, he did some three to the hair or he threw three and the I your career three place. He's been working on this is third career three. This is this. The most exciting NBA has been in a while. Like standards change like weekly. And so every night, there's at least a couple of days that you wanted tune into. And that's that's all that our fag game win streak. He saw one for four from three last night. Kenneth read one performed very baby when he hit the one. But yeah. But is this week because that's not what he does. You know, he's trying to evolve like everybody else. You don't get to heat. Yesterday. Brooke Lopez was not like a couple years again, not know that he is a crazy literally flip this here. He lives turned into and right? And he won. Range shooter though. Now, he us back three get him Camrys about a logo. Like, what have you get him on a post in two thousand nineteen? It's a blessed because he do not know paying he do Nago nose job as a game. It's about put some actually a couple more years on his career to write for show for sure..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Through the Wire
"He's telling me that they need to ram as if it's I guess the biggest doubt, it'd be better because you're not gonna bring you know, what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm not saying, they should trade Ben Simmons. But the argument the argument forward is that this team will not go as far as they can. Because you got like the Boston Celtics how they played him last year. They're gonna play him the exact same way this year because nothing exchange he's a same player. He hasn't developed and they're saying their own they can only get as far as Ben Simmons jumped shocking, take them. That's their argument for it. And it's a legitimate argument. I'm not saying I -gree or disagree because I'm not a fan of that say, so it don't matter what they knew to be. And it definitely makes sense. Because that Boston seems to not have beat the Sixers team less, right? Exactly. What all the injuries and stuff out coach, basically at that point. They were out coach Brad. Stevens says grace. Grayson makes sense to trade him. But you know, it can do something if they did try to get traded him to teams we'll be interested even a big style. They tried it into the clippers for. By his you, get shakily Alexander. A little less. Saying I don't know if they trade and shake forbids. No, I don't know. How much say would would help the seventy Sixers in this rookie season. But like not like right now dumped this future. Okay. So he would be a sophomore or you know, even federal arrest. So Oh, you. you or for an who you who is saying that that team we've been this is all hypothetical by could be Jimmy Butler might not be there. And it's all falls, the pieces or like, a, Bradley Beal trade. Heo? No for Benson's. I'll just naming to. I'm just trying to sell him one solid piece bay. They got they got to get like a kid asked for a good some events players because they're benches trash, but again right now in the league Barcella, and then we not talk about right now. Anyway, but like what team would be selling in the near future. Is it like a package deal for AB AB and Joel together? I don't know how that will work out. But guy, I'll know I don't know how anybody man's right now. The poem point guard is though, I don't know. I I just think it's a very interesting debate. And I wish my team the bulls or someone in a situation where this things matter I missed being able to talk about competitive basketball my team, but whatever speaking of my thing. I know y'all seeing the cancer situation. Is kind of crazy because it's like it's happening in the NBA would not. But cancer won't be traveling with the Knicks to play the wizards because of lingering attention with the Turkish president. And he said I talked to the front office and decided I'm not going the freaking lunatic. There's a chance I get killed out there. I talked to the front office. I'm not going. I'm going to stay here and practice, I'm pretty it's pretty sad. All this stuff affects my career in basketball. I wanna help my team win. But because one lunatic guy, I can't even get go there and do my job is pretty sad. There are a lot of spies there. I can get here pretty easy and then in June, the Turkish government sentenced cancers father to fifteen years in prison and cancer believed. It was done to. You know, hurt him. But yeah, that's just the situation. Wisconsin see we don't even know how to comment on it. Or what's going on? I got involved, right? I just don't know much about politics outside of the states. So I don't know the whole situation. But I mean, it makes sense to value your life over a game of basketball espec- real team like. Like shocking. I mean because we don't really see this in any like in sports period. Where somebody's I e I'm not going there. I'm fearing for my life. So this is kind of no, you know, what it NBA China expand. We have a lot are the foreign par the foreign players and Ali are growing and becoming a big part of it..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Through the Wire
"Plus, I think twenty three what is it Stolz two hundred four and Ben is on the bench. So they have been trying to rotate them a little bit more. But that's mostly sense. This thing has come out like Brown is actually trying because who knows like for some reason, I got I got this film. Right. I got this feeling that if this don't work out Brown, maybe out the door not that he's a bad coach for so long. And maybe they gave him the the Mark Jackson treatment where they get a cold. That's gonna put them a little bit more over the home. Yeah. That was sucked in their there. Hold on. Ben Simmons play like power four to McConnell. They put him at the air bowl and let him work off it, right? Say he needs he wants Joel. I mean, Ben Simmons to develop a corner. Three and like dumb, of course. Everybody wanted to Bella bazaar and five ten foot jumpings people going crazy. Yeah. To on the game. He missed one terribly. Would it hit all bag boy, I'll just have to? Rose every time. I take it. I'm like, okay. You don't even gotta hit. It is if you can get one or two to found a game, you just look at the team sometimes and not being so I'll be watching him closely in particular. I I'm going to be very interested. If this team stay together for like a long period of time. I will not be surprised if this is like Oklahoma City Oklahoma thunder situation where like break-up Ben Simmons leaving for. Sure. That's what Jimmy's going. Let's we'd be in real each other. That's what he's going. But the reason he wanted to get trade is because he wanted that five-year max. So maybe he stands Philly. But then that brings an interesting decision depending on how this season go if they reassigned Jimmy Audie moving on from some other people one of the other big three players because when we think about big three's and and the history of the NBA named some notorious big three's. We had. On boston. That's a good. That's a that's a I'm going to say no to that. Yes. The big three. But I'm more thinking about teams that were put together rather than drafted together. Odin the Boston, Boston, Celtics. There's always one player that takes a back step. You know, like Chris boss Kevin loan with the Boston Celtics. I guess it was it was reality because he was kind of just a spot up shooter with the olders Lillard. You are not saying Wesley Matthews. Was a big three. They nick. Right now, you don't matter. Whereas he map you you say man before us these molecules other teams, we mentioned has something to comment Betsy the arena conference finals stop here. Especially Matt jam. A close Alderson limiter. That's not a big three. That's a dynamic with Somebody somebody. damn author. Not pale. He's plenty of the more than just one season. To man show at this point. Stripper. They swear somebody BMI yesterday and say yoga, blah, blah and stop start roasting there. Sometimes he'd be saying he'd be saying good stuff say good stuff sometime. But then you get this wild stuff was don't tell us what to do. Obviously a lot to feel like they can tell us with the. How about this more? Do it for the last. It's somebody say you'd better be dare rose. I'm like tell me what to do. I'm going to vote their rose. But don't tell me what to do stop telling me. Anyway, did that's a weird team even name? I don't know if anything I'm graduate name. The Chicago Bulls from still not a big three. Anyway, there's usually a player that takes a backseat and on this seventy six Saint name Coby into white. We're on a cover of the magazine. I don't even know mad daylight have the games that you play nothing..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Through the Wire
"Also think to reply to do who said that even though Jimmy Butler has played on great teams and play with dare grows the youngest MVP in history. I don't think he's played on scene with this much talent. Inside presence later, all and be so. It could translate to two wins in with this particular teams is a very good team at the top. They still got some things to work out some people that could be added. I would like to go see them, you know, show some interest in Chandler Parsons wants him and agrees. These part ways. Flea played us alone. So I my opinion of him is nothing right now because I haven't seen any more. Need more? We get a buyout. He's going to need a job. We see about that. Have they confirmed that there were there part what They going to? be working on something right now if they were player he was he was a clear to play December twenty first at the beginning of season. He was a starter in coach because he shot forty two percents from three last year. And so when he came back he was ready to play in. They wouldn't play him. And he had a he had a practice. I let me by the way, he was draining several threes and was telling GM, you know, I wanna play another three in. A f- in jersey. And so why didn't this national moves? I heard about this. Talkin psoriasis everybody always had to shit on channel partners. I hate when people can sit on for having injuries burrow. Because there's literally nothing they can do about it literally like when people used to sit on their grows they used to. I'm not even I wouldn't even bolles fan. But he's just I shake me. Because it's like it's in your body breaking down on you. Century. I promise you Facebook was doing nothing, but they're role with me. When he hit the bed worth three in a playoff to win the game against the Cavs. Back on they have right back channel Parsons been doing everything he can to get back. He went to Germany what he's special injections and everything. So he's been trying apology letter. He's been doing say and like I'm sorry like because he got the ninety four million. I wonder if he's still on Instagram while in though because he was a period of time when he was in the DMZ of every model, maybe Rabi he grew up. Okay. Setup at home. But yeah, real interested in that situation to see how that pans out. Because I know a lot of people going to be interested in China, Parsons, even if they could just get a little bit him. The only thing that scares people away was the money. So if they if he can get hit the open market without that money being attached the ninety four million that that the grass inside before. And even even at even channel partners that his best. I don't know if he's worth ninety four. I'm sorry. I mean, he was he was one of my favorite players when the healthy. So he is but ninety four million. That's third. Probably four. That's deep pockets. I think Jimmy Butler day should take a script outta the. And maybe they do this already. I can't act like I'm the biggest six watcher. But drew. Billy Donovan with with the thunder last year. He used to do the start the game. We're gonna take metal and Paul George out. Russell have is time. They were gonna take Russell out. Paul George have his time and didn't mellow ahead. Maybe Jimmy Butler knees moments were Ben Simmons ain't on a core. And then you can give him his isolation. They've been doing that lately there..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Through the Wire
"You might not catch all the time. Right. So weird that a team don't round pick and roll in today's Bryant, especially with the players. They have right. Like, if you got Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons on a court together team doing more because I just had a post game interview. He he was more picking row in a game. And they asked him about. And he was saying I j. Seven point. He thought over anybody willing to pick a row this is so weird that team this now starting to incorporate pick a row, but I mean, I can't talk about it too badly because last year they were one of the best offenses. So whatever they were doing was working. But now the team is a little bit different. So you got to evolve what your team is really put now, my main problem with all of this is that the publication people the I don't know who put out the article whatever wounds in them, the headline made a seem like Jimmy Butler was in throwing garbage cans at Brett Brown and people don't take the time to click on the article actually read was going on because like peer Brown's like he's right, right? And that was like two or three paragraphs Sanli smile. Here's months to just understand it. He wasn't even in the wrong. We in the headline we in the headline error, like whatever the headline is. That's what it's going to be. And that's kind of that's kind of trash because now people that are fighting against that company had to do the same thing in order to get the same amount of clicks. Can you imagine we came on his show in our title was? Something that just didn't really represent what the show is really about. Just for more clicks TNN Pierre fistfight over. And beaver. Yes, Simmons come on man Pierre aggressively addresses. I don't even know the media about their roles because that's not that's not what there's really not what happened. This is a big problem in me, not to sport it in a lot of people will calm. Reputation is like I don't even know if you wanna say cans of Egypt sound like he don't try to come in the light room would take these articles doing, you know, and stuff like this could do is cost some money. Right. You know what? I mean. Like, if they if it wasn't a way to clear this up, or you know, what I'm saying it, it could cost them money. And it's crazy how the media can portray some wanna be a worse person than what they truly are. From the titles little article. I make him look like a awful person, and you YouTube channel don't you? What you do? I've seen the first episode. Yeah. He's a coup. I'm a coup. But that's that's pretty much it when it came to this topic. My question y'all is so they have this success with whatever they're running. Right. Do they need to do more of weds EMMY Butler wants because this is honest question. Because after I quote, it that tweet like please read the article is what I said somebody reply back to what they get like three hundred lakes, and it basically say I understand what Jimmy Butler is saying but his ice. Oh, Henry game has not translated. So Winston his career. So I'm okay with whatever Brett Brown. Does. Do y'all agree with that? Or do y'all agree with the fact that Jimmy Butler deserves more seen does I guess like you say Jimmy bell is a very good ice player. Pick and roll play pass good range shooting all those open up with that pick and roll. And not only does that open. A myself up opens Joel Embiid in may open up. I don't know why they have it. Ben Simmons as a Roman in the NBA it just anything yet. But as you say, I think they should I think it's as offense usually try How to. to incorporate as much as you can especially downstairs. It's probably a good tendency when they run off into playoff teams, you got to keep them guessing, you can't have them. You can't have the seven game you run in the same set. You know, what I'm saying Boston stop them because they just they ain't nothing different..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Through the Wire
"The reaction to it wasn't like yoke is just why would he say it was funny? But you know, we more frequently use and no. Unity. Kill yourself is something that is y'all said a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I hear y'all saying that that's how I even know it was the thing. 'cause y'all say that a lot in a lot of people in our fan base. It a lot like if somebody would be like when we said who we put hurry over somebody in our in our top this, and they was like Carrio kill yourself. I won't say my friends to like somebody else. Another main rethink rethink. I feel adult Kyi's meant no yourself. I ain't gonna please. Donnas. There's like that makes it like you can change those. All right. Let's move on. Now, I want to move on the Jimmy. She has to say we went to we went to Delhi ball. I mean, we went to the road rose who played on at them. Adele, let's go a little step further into Jimmy Butler. So earlier last week. We got the report about Jimmy Butler coming at Brett Brown about the way he's being used with the Philadelphia seventy Sixers and the headlines said, something what the hell I'd say something about you. Brett brown. Yes. Armley verbally. Yes. He's that makes. Verbally attacked Brett Brown. And I wanted to talk about this on the last show. But for some reason slipped our mind, and we ran out of time. But now is the moment where I need to break this down. What's EMMY Butler said and what he did is one hundred percent the truth. They want him to play or at least the way they have in playing is Robert Covington role. He's running off screens. He's catching a ball he suit sometimes, but we know Jimmy Bala as one of the best ice players in the league. We know him as one of the best picket role players in the league. But they don't do this since he's been trade. I had the numbers. He was thirteen percent of his possessions with a timber was this year before the trade were picket role this time when he's with the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers down to seven percent over half of his possessions are gone now. Jimmy Butler is a guy that needs that ball. 'isolation wise is one of those guys that needs to pick a role and Brett Brown just hasn't done that. And I don't see anything wrong with them telling this coats Cohen, I need to be used this certain way. 'cause that's what Jill. Abby did like two weeks before that. Maybe it wasn't aggressive. But he did the exact same thing. People need to be used the right way necessary. Also goes back to the point. I was saying about the Rosa Yokich, you right and be did the same thing. But the the difference between the two is that Joel came up to the public way that both set in practice in some Hella got out. You also know who don't think it's a problem who Brett Brown. So he said I've had many meetings with Jimmy over the duration since I I have coached him. I enjoy it. I don't mind talking about players, and that film session that was referenced I didn't feel like any of that cross the line. And if it did it would have been dealt with quickly will move on. I think in a crazy way it's unfair to Jimmy Butler the history that Jimmy has had with other programs other coaches, that's not fair with the description of that particular film session that was reference and my eyes that's not it. And if it if it crossed the line, we will talk about as soon, and I would own and it would be fixed. And he said he wanted to be more pick and rolls. That was true. My job. And make that make this work, and somehow it is turned into Jimmy Butler being locker room part three. If you had a new plan of basically the superstar unique come comes your team. And he's seen some wrong on the core. Went you want him to to I want him to right? That's he did the right thing to do. And people always had to twist the words just for the hair like your eyes on the coach. He's the one that gives you all ran for that..
"tom thibodeau" Discussed on Through the Wire
"The trade held them a lot. But it seems I still hasn't fully manifest eight. I'm playing Darius Dario, Saric a lot and Robert comforts his hurt. Right now. Dario don't even start does. He know they got star baby didn't which is also still been. He's still just rolls Taj out. My main thing with them is that sometimes it's feels like Conde towns get enough touches, and he should be getting like all the touches. And it seems like they don't play through him. And maybe Ryan Sanders. Setups. Araya Saunders flips on getting the interim coach maybe he fixes that offense. But it took them forty games to get it a Tom with Adele and people are asking why they own a two game win streak. You know, who knows they could creep back into the playoffs, essentially what our two contending they creep back. And so the playoffs. But if you look at their track record when it comes to fire and coaches, they either fire them after the twentieth game or at the fortieth game. If they don't want US coats. They're going to get rid of you. And rumor has it the reason they did it is because they heard that Fred Hoiberg was about to get hired by UCLA. And they wanted Fred Hoiberg. Which is crazy. Yeah. I wanted to actually have about that freight Berg with this situation front. Offers a head coach. I'm okay with it. I mean, do do they does the Timberwolves fit their patients base. No, I would not I wouldn't say, no. Because if you look at their lineups, you got Wiggins is okay. Three point shooter. You got Robert cover to win the best D guys in a league are yoga hidden house jets four and now dare rose forty five percent our land on. No, no, he he make like no no upper set a game. He never used the deal when it comes into the system target Amelie onto the bed. Yeah. He'll probably come off the bench a car. Twenty two for them. So I think it could work out. But it's so weird that he's the guy they really want. I mean, I don't know what else is out there. But the fact that Sean Fraser who he Berg Chauncey Billips. And there was one of the guy who else would they look at it was Cianci Billups and one other guy got interview brugare Lewis. It's weird that Fred Hoiberg is a guy that they wanna bring in could it work out. Sure. Because here's a cog. Oh, I never thought he got the roster that really fit his play style. So I'm not saying he's a good coach. I'm not saying he's a bad coats. I just I really don't know advocate Chicago. He deserves a chance. Yeah. He deserves it as it got good and Chicago and it started getting their team bed together. He was gone. And then he may he may be better. This is a college coach who knows. Has no interest in college though. That's why he didn't do the UCLA thing or didn't accept it right away. He wants to be an NBA. So if he can get a chance to get back into the NBA, he would prefer the overcrowded, right? He's a better coast, and what we've seen Chicago are the timber wolves going be the pace in space team. I'm not sure I definitely think they're going to have to make some adjustments. But I think he would be he would coach that team a lot more better. And he would definitely have a legitimate star. And towns. And he would have some things that he could work with. Yes, I'm euthanasia some three anti so he could he could play with that. And make it work. I don't think if he did get the job they will be you know, too much expectations which always helps. Unlike Chicago when he came that was still like a playoff team, and he said Jimmy Butler, and they actually went against what he was saying. So hopefully, when he does come if he goes there, the front office who will at least know what he's trying to do and won't go out and sign Jon Rondo child know, how to run off his word. We we know what might really go down there. Twenty nine thousand attendance this year, isn't that crazy twenty ninth in attendance percentage fans is are come out to what they really got to see except for their roles gross having a resurgence season season. It's so weird that they're twenty ninth..
Minnesota Timberwolves teammates caught off guard by Jimmy Butler trade demand
"Coa Leonard is you know, he's an MVP level player in the NBA. Jimmy Butler is an outstanding player, but he's. Level below that, and he's older. And I think the question too is this isn't breaking up in Minnesota because he doesn't like Tom tiptoe. He's always had a good relationship with Tibbett. Oh, now it's strained as this process plays out and he doesn't get the trade and you'll see become probably more at odds. I think that's starting to happen. But the fact is he credits Tom thibodeau a great deal with his development of player. Last pick of the first round out of Marquette, who went to Portsmouth and the pre-draft process was fighting to just be a first round pick and becomes an all star max player in Chicago, and the fact that if you're another team and you're saying he's walking away from Tibbs, he's walking away from this team. Could he do that to us after seven months? And I think that factors into your thinking too, about what you give up for him? One hundred percent, right? I mean, he that extension that. Minnesota offered him would be available six months after your quired him, and he's not going to accept, you know, four years, one hundred million dollars. He is certainly renegotiate renegotiate his contract. But as Minnesota learned this summer, when you're over the cap, you can't go about doing it and it would take gutting, you're going your roster to do it. And you know what I've learned is that when you go out and make these type of trades, you're always chasing that trade and you're trying to acquire other pieces to make that player happy. And you're really, you're really hurting your roster to do. So. I mean, I mean the the Darren Williams trade back in two thousand eleven in the year later to follow up with Jerry Wallis because you're trying to convince Williams to stay or your trading multiple draft picks because you're trying to convince that player to stay in free agency. And I think that's where. That's where the situation in Toronto with Colli that Masais got a good comfort level with that roster there with Kyle Lowry surge Bach, and some of the younger players Dhillon. Right. And then Lee Valance Eunice that he doesn't have to go out there and go out and get it Jimmy Butler PO. Possibly that he says, I can go to, you know, I can go to battle with these guys that when fifty nine games with Colli Leonard. And that's a lot different than maybe the team like Brooklyn who acquires Butler and then says, what other pieces can I go out and get to try to piece his player to make us competitive? And I think that's really where teams really get themselves in
Tom Thibodeau pitches Jimmy Butler on rejoining Timberwolves
"This Jimmy Butler thing is just getting crazier and crazier. You all know by now. Mr. Butler sat down with Tom timid. Oh, Andy, worry. I'm the Timberwolves front office and said, I wanna get traded. And then Tim dove was like, nah, we don't really. Trade you. We're not taking any offers. Now the reports are from, whoa, JR. Check this out till general manager. Scott Layden had been shutting down trade inquiries for Butler in recent days. And Taylor has demanded that late Nali take calls up potential deals, but reach out to initiate conversations. League sources said, this is all really get spicy. Here you need Taylor in that is Glenn Taylor, the owner of the of the temples. So the owner of the timber wolves is now telling his employees that they need to not only take trade requests calls, but to reach out and make initiate trade talks with other teams. What does that tell you about where everyone's heads at in the front office in Minnesota one starts with the owner and it goes back to what I've talked about on this program for months. There clearly was a fracture and you had to pick a side either you on the same team as Jimmy Butler at Tom pivotal who they gave fifty billion dollars to oversee. Basketball operations and the Costa team, or you were on the side of Karl Anthony towns. He ironically signs a supermax deal. As soon as they start talking about Jimmy bullard's being traded, I'm like, he didn't wait to this week like soon as they start talking about trained Jimmy Butler. He was like outside, I'll stay and they already paid as you wings. So that fracture clearly was there.