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Episode 1141 - Marc and Tom's Normal Things

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Episode 1141 - Marc and Tom's Normal Things

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You would think people are at home, just wondering those people that have. Either a problem or Credit Card issues. I would imagine are amassing things. People with money. You're probably buying things. People no money. You're probably selling stuff. How how's Your Business Doing? How the kids are you finding time for yourself? Are you taking walks. Are you going outside and you talking to friends? Are you saying hello? Do Your neighbors in that awkward way with a mask. Are you cleaning up? Are you organizing? Have you got everything together? Or are you in bed? Get up, get out. Make your bed shower up. Feed the fucking animals, and by animals and talking about your family. Then feed your pleasant pats. Maybe family can feed itself. I don't know your situation. I just know this togetherness is starting to crack some people. So look apparently we're not going to be shooting. The Fourth Season of glow till sometime in twenty twenty one. I do not know in stand up. Comedy is going to resurface. I'm not of the Type of comic that needs to go do shows drive ins or at half filled houses spread out as much as I enjoy taking the stage. I don't I don't need to do that. I save some money. I'm okay for now. You can catch me on instagram. Live occasionally. You can catch me here. where I'm not being particularly funny, but look today I'm GonNa Talk. To my friend Tom Ling. Many of you know Mr Sharply. One of the great broadcasters. One of the great broadcasters. If you do know him. You probably know him from his show the best show. And that's been on a little bit of a hiatus. He's finishing up a memoir. But you can always. Go, listen to the best show. Stuff at best show dot net. Here's some of the comedy. Here's some of the. Amazing. Pauses. Of Tom Scharping one of the great. broadcasting stylists of the of the late. Twentieth Century. And DEAR FRIEND OF MINE which happened later in life, a couple of the people that. Are My closest friends are actually people that I have not known all my life, but it's turning out. The I as wife goes on, they know them. Longer than you might think. I got a call from my first serious girlfriend. out of nowhere. It's not that we've been totally out of touch what we certainly don't talk much. But she. You know heard the news about linen checked in. And It was through interesting I. Mean that's going back to nineteen, eighty, two eighty three. You know that that's the one that. Set my on of course. An ARC. Of. Heart hardened anger. Over my own selfish, fucking emotional liabilities. That persisted. For Decades That first heartbreak, even though I did not know how to love or be loved or even behave properly other than. Angry and jealous. Possessive insane, insecure and emotionally needy and aggravated. That's two. That's a horrendous triangle, needy insecure and aggravated. Do. Not Step into that. Tornado but nonetheless. through a lot of things we've stayed in touch and she's had tragedy in her life. I have this tragedy in my life now. And, we had a nice conversation, but what's interesting is when you talk to somebody that was. In your life, no matter how long ago it was if it was real, and it was serious in it was emotionally connected. They are woven into the fabric of your being, and when I heard her voice on the phone it all. It's not that it all came back. It wasn't it didn't all come back, but the familiarity was there. It was just like the the semio's the connection. The the sort of emotional frequencies just kind sync up the laugh. You hear the laugh the person that you loved decades ago and it's not that it brings you back, but it it it reconnects you in the moment to something deeply ingrained in familiar in new, and it's a beautiful thing. Happy to talk to her. For some reason, the last few days of not. been too great. As. Many of you said about grief. You don't know when it's going to happen. You don't know when you're going to be overwhelmed with it. But I think what is happening for me now is that. The shock and trauma, and and sort of PTSD and the haze and fog of. Reality Shattering tragedy. is starting to recede a bit. And what's left? Is this sort of like? Just the the pure loss. We don't lose. A history with somebody. But the IT stops. You lose a potential future. It's just you know it's just sitting with it. That, this is my life and this is not. What I signed up for. But what do we sign up for? I mean that's the weird thing. I I did not sign up to be the guy crying alone in his bed with his sixteen year old cat I didn't sign up for that and I have to let it happen, and there's something about it that I find to be pathetic. And embarrassing where it's not. What it is, it's tragic and it's painfully human. But somehow in my mind, pathetic and embarrassing to WHO. You wouldn't have known it until I told you. That I was weighing my bed, looking at Oh monkey, listening to him as medically we's. And just crying and saying look man, it's okay. We did it. You did good. Thank you, but then like I. Just kept crying. Because I was alone. You know and I was processing the loss. This is it? This is the life I'm not saying. It's not going to go away or that. It's not gonNA. Ease up, or it's going to be the ride, not. GonNa Wallo. Not Feeling sorry for myself, I'm just having the feelings, and in that moment I believe the monkey was like I. Get it man. All right and he started licking my hand and grooming me and Mike. And Mike Dude thank you, but you gotta be tired of Shit and he's like I'm I'm all right all right for now. But yeah, you know. I've been fucking eating dude. Dude I've been eating. Pad Oswald sent me a box out of nowhere. I get this box of Jenny's ice cream again. Now I've gotten it twice now. From different people I think even Jenny sent it to me. But it was from Patton. Now you know thanked him. I said thanks for the ice cream. Pal Now I can be sad and fat. Really though thanks makes me feel better, and then like an hour later a huge basket. Of Food. Cookies Brownies Olives. You know the basket. Then I made a joke. I said Oh shit a basket to. Thanks man. This is almost as good as my girlfriend being alive again. then. I wrote to dark. But you know we're comics. It was dark. It was obvious sweet, horrendous joke, and he went ha, Ha, oh, man, and then he said if memory serves you're at the ice cream and baked goods phase of morning so i. wanted you to have the Primo stuff. I said beautiful. Thanks hope you're well, and he said hope. You're doing well and that you're getting better. I said overall better. Some days are sad. He said the sad days will never truly go away, but the days where you get to experience joy and every other emotion in the spectrum coming back, I promise. I, said thanks man. It's good to hear that. Patton Oswalt, stepping up nice man. That's the thing about friends. Showing gratitude. To them. Do that talk to your friends? and that's what this episodes really about. Tom I have done shows before we did. A series called the mark and Tom Show. We've done few those. I was on his show years ago new. Jersey but Tom's a guy that you know. We became friends who you know later not that long ago really. And just love the guy. and. He's been really present for me during this time. Vike between you and me. He'll come over and we'll eat dinner like once a week. We'll be back outside. Just talking mass quiz. With some distance between us. Just having a nice dinner. And you, talking for a few hours about stuff. Talking about people having some laughs talking about movies. He's over last night actually night before last. Had? Some dinner talked about the SAFDIE brothers Sandler Movies Paul Thomas Anderson. At the expense of not present. Which is nice talked about language. Talked about his new book Scott read his. Manuscript. But it's important to do that. However you're gonNA. Do it obviously some you like you. Guys just talked without masks on and we did. Outside. Not Too close. But. Yeah, man, I mean you gotTa. You gotTa Nourish. That part of you, you gotta stay engaged. You got to get some laughs and. I think also it's important to be. Grateful to the people that. Are there for you. And that somehow some for some reason, it's very hard for me to do I don't know why it's not that I don't feel gratitude, but to connect with the words not to be like. Hey, buddy, thanks man! Thanks for hanging, but just sort of like. You. Know Really. 'cause, that's the tone like that's nice in its polite, but that's you know the up. That's like pushing it out. They're like hey great to see you. You know it's different than like. Hey, you know has been very difficult time. And I. Really appreciate showing up for me. And I said that to my friend. Sam My set. My Friends Sam websites the other dude he he That guy calls me every night and we talked for like a half hour to an hour about stuff. I'll tell him how doing you know. It started off like a Y-. Okay, and he's walked me through sort of suicidal ideation crying heartache. All of it. But now you know we talk and he calls me every night and we just you know have few AFS. Talk about stuff books, thoughts news ideas the future. And just I dunno just got overwhelmed. The other night and I thanked him. With deep deeply. Grateful way you know got choked up and. Because he can't take your friends for granted, and we have these people in our lives that some people we've had in our lives forever, and yeah, you just sort of like yeah man bus best house you there for me, but. As you get older and when things start to break down when? Things people start to get sick when you know, it's just when people lose people I mean. That's where the fucking. Tire hits the road, so they say the tire hits the pavement. The wheel hits the. where the tire blows out, and the rims get all fucked up. That's when you need a friend. When you're fucking. Iran over a fucking bunch and nails put there. In the road. By Wiley Coyote the trickster. And all your tires boy out, and you're driving on those fucking rims. Because what he's just GonNa. Give up in the desert. Venture you have to? Start, walking. That's where your friends come in so. That's what's going on, and this is what this is now. This was recorded. before Lynn passed away not long before. And you know as I said you know I of. Done episodes. Where we just talked about the things going on. Things in the culture. We liked in this. This recording is actually an attempt to do something like that. And it was just as the pandemic was starting right. And it was a really an attempt to to feel somewhat normal to talk about normal things and I guess my point here is that it's important to still do that. Very important. Or else. We just going to be consumed. By. I don't know what your faith is or. How you're holding up, but you know it's bleak man. And you got you got a treasure and. and. Really rely on. That kind of human connection I think that's why a lot of people listen to this show. It's important do that. Also on dimension, there's a new batch of Ceramic W.. T. F. Cap mugs available from Brian Jones. These are the hand mugs I gave to my guests in the normal times back in the day so right now, getting these mugs from Brian Jones is the only way you can them i. it's almost like I'm talking to my guest now I I mean I can send you one if you're. On the show. By guess, also saying like you can't just break into Josh Brolin's house in. Get that Mug. Okay, you gotta buy from Brian and he's donating a portion of the sales of these mugs to the Connecticut, Food Bank. You can go to Brian. Are Jones Dot com slash shop? Starting at noon, Eastern, today. As I said earlier. Tom's taken a bit of a break from the best show as he finishes up his book, and you can always check out the best show material at the best show, dot net, and right now A. Tom is doing a new podcast with Julie. Klausner called double threat. You can get that wherever you listen to podcasts. This is me and Tom Celebrating things from the normal times. Coming right up. and. Folks. Everyone is figuring out new ways to do things in new paths for their futures during these times that makes it as good a time as any to make that dream project a reality and you can do it with squarespace. squarespace makes it easier than ever to launch your passion project, and right now we need all the help. We can get open an online store. 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It's relief ingredient, and now it's available without a prescription with pat today. Just one drop once a day works fast and lasts all day relief. Season is here to stay. Get Pat Today online in stores everywhere. Your. I. Guess, I'm finding a little crazy. Occasionally thinking thinking I have something. But there'll be times when I'm just suddenly like yes, it and I just realized it's like I have these things happened my whole life? Right? Have A. Congested for half a day and then it passes, but now suddenly it's like Oh. There's gotTa be it and I'm not I'm not gonNA. Make it through it. I used to smoke. I'M GONNA end up in the hospital. So, we'll tell you that that coffee I went out of the way and I got some Dunkin donuts beans. Okay, just because sure I gotta think for Dunkin donuts occasionally. Yeah, and I was in Ralph's I. Get a bunch of good coffee. I GET HIGH END SHIT! Yeah, and I just saw the bag of Dunkin beans and might fuck it now. Let's go I'm living. I'm going back to New England. Right you're back to your Boston. Yeah jacked up. Did they have in Jersey Oh? Yeah, Dunkin donuts is everywhere chock-full and nuts, too. Yeah less less. That, but that was more of a Manhattan thing. I would see those when I way I into the city from New Jersey I'd see like shock on outs I bought the can chalk on for a while full nuts. You'd see the oversized cans in like like my grandmother like they would regret. Hardly deflate. Jonathan Chock full nuts and they would have like a jar Sanca. Guess they didn't WanNa sank a yeah. Go through the production of making coughing yet and. But then but Dunkin donuts. That's what got me drinking coffee like doing when I was. Like my nobody, my family drank coffee so I didn't grow up with coffee drinkers, but then just at some point when you're like. Like eighteen nineteen year just like I got a check in what the big deal with us! It's time and then it was like Oh my God. This stuff is. This I was like. I would like I'm on a lifelong journey. My head would spin that. Would make you vibrate yet. That's what I go for. It still does it. Yeah, I'm coming up now. I'm going out where you're just like. Wow I don't do anything else on clean and Iran today so I sweat. Everything else is going right in Oh. No, you're just going. This is like if you just poured coffee in your car and. That's what you're doing right now. Drove up to the. Empty empty ten gallons of coffee. Yeah, well, that's what I used to do. And I did radio and Air America I used to have the driver stop at fucking three thirty in the morning and I'd buy one of the. You know the kind that you people bring to. The office handled cartons. Oh, no, those. Yeah, the get one of those. Doughnuts. Dunkin Bag eminem soon and that's what I. by the time I got on the air. I remember one time was doing a live thing with with John Worst and were backstage somebody. and. I was just like so. I need just like. Just like dying for just energy and. I took like a giant coffee and then I had a thing of peanut eminem. I'm eating. PM Sandra. Somebody like saw me and they're just like. Like the long is wrong with you. And I'm just like. You're. Almost ready to like. Put The in the Coffee Club. You don't realize what you look like. You Look Squirrel you're. You're drinking the coffee now. Still so focused. Yeah, Oh, yeah, just like if I put the Eminem to my mouth and. A mouthful coffee, immelt. The one two punch the chocolate, and the the shell melts away, and I got the coffee and he'd just like. It's just the greatest thing, oh? My God and he's like a flying high. Comes in interrupts you. You're right. Yes, looking like boy, yeah. You're right. It's just like me. I'm doing great. You kidding me. With my tire, life I gotTA mouth alade. And Coffee. Like. That'd be doing any better the highlight of my existence. Exactly. How do you think I'm doing? What you worry about. Worry about yourself. Give. Oh my God so so you're burning through a lot of lot of entertainment during this. What do you what he seems to me like? I'm like I liked what you said. About Little Richard and four in. What's his name four inch? Yeah, I think that makes sense that without a little little Richard and four inch, and Ryder that we would have. Infinitely, less good music well I mean. It's crazy when you think about is like. Like you think my like influence, the and it's just like I mean like Little Richard, change everything of it like over and over and just like really. Set the pace for just like that kind of perfor- there'd been there'd be no James Brown and ramones. Prince and there'd be no remote as all of that stuff came I mean let alone Elvis, but it's like you see the that drive your. There was the fashion of it. There was the showmanship of it, but he his particular. Groove yet was even more than in a way was more than Chuck Berry there was the drive of his rock and roll If you listen to the MC five to fruity, realize like that's it. And then that goes right to the ramones. It's a straight line and it's just and. It's also funny when you listen to like these other things, and they're so thin sounding and. Lou compared to the original thing like sometimes like growing up. I was not like a blues. Yeah, person, then then you hear these blues records, and then you hear the rolling stones version just like I prefer the rolling stones version. Because it's just it's within my frame of Reference Walk Route, player. Yeah, but then you hear like these. Like you compare like little Richard's Tutti fruity with M. C. Fives version MC five's version census thin, an accord assembled like it sounds like you hear them like. Holding it in the studio right rather than them just playing it live in one room and just with just. Mike's Hanging over them. Just like We got in that piano man into the whole box yesterday that the mono box set of all the for the first five. Sure sure, it's just there. It was just a drive in his voice. You know to me that I. was that I listen to that music when I was a kid I. Don't know why that's all. I wanted to know how to do. Guitar was inconven-. In any. I wanted to do those three core things and I guess I got a little Richard through the Beatles. Right and my dad played all that Shit when I was a kid i. that was what wired my brain I talked about on the podcast. Just about how like my father's excitement about Buddy Holly Ritchie valance You know in that American graffiti soundtrack. My father's right I grew up with the thing that was just like. The template. ZETI STONE! Oh, please and. You listen to that and. It's just amazing. The basis that that the just the range of everything that those records covered and they were just. It's coming out of like a disposable industry as a it's weird. How the timelessness came out of something that was just people thinking. This isn't going to last two years from now just. Turn out the hits Yay and they'll turn into garbage. Don't worry about what tomorrow is because. We're just trying to make money today. On seven inch records and I had the Dick Clark. Twenty years of rock and roll occur election and American graffiti. My Dad had in the car. We had a buddy holly collection. He loved it. Yeah and I think. I got through like I knew buddy. Holly's slipping inside and before I knew little Richard's okay, yeah but those records all of them like I always wanted to do. If I was going to ever do a music show I kept thinking about playing the songs at my Daddy, so like in the car Shershukov. Oh my God that that's something I. Oh yeah, that was like the most formative like that's the stuff. It's amazing. How simple humans are when it's just like. You'RE GONNA. Hear this when you're eight and you're never gonNA. Forget ever ever it's this is this is. This will stay with you for the rest of your and will always be your favorite thing, even if you don't revisit it often right or you don't think it's your favorite thing. It's kind of your favorite thing I got some a couple of songs I. listen to download them recently. Like for like Oh, the, but the I had was at. This is stuff that that my father and I bond around that my father shared with me, but then I realized that it was really one of the rare times where he wasn't upset or yelling or freaked out, or or you know like he was occupied and seemingly excited. Yeah, so it wasn't that he was like. Don't you love visit was like? Hey, this is making dad feel better exactly. Happy? Can't let's keep playing the. Let's keep the. Yeah? I listened to know, but that was the one that he he loved the stroll for some reason. which I think was the diamonds. Weird kind of greasy sacks, drifting nuts on gum. Lynch, Joe. Yeah, yeah, he liked he loved. That'll be the day and other things, but I listened to peppermint twist, the stroll and little darling, which was also the diamond. Little Darlings one of my all time favorite song. The most Rockin. It's song because it's just like it's is overwhelming. How much is going on? Where it's like yeah! It's happening. You're just like this is the most overstuffed thing I've ever heard my life. My Darling I. Need You just like? One Minute Long. Everything is happening in this. It's really just like. That's that thing. That makes a mark on you, and then it's amazing that it's just like I'm not a obviously not a kid. WAS COMING OUT NO. Our dads, but there's something so. Pure about it that it just isn't time stamp at all. It's just like I. Mean you obviously know when it was recorded? But just like the but it, but the spirit of it is just had the proximity to the source point. Of Rock and roll, is close. Yeah, so I you gotta figure the newness of pushing out that way. had to fuel that, so the the purity of it is real right, so if if rockstarts fifty or fifty six really by couple of songs that they didn't even know what they were doing. Right, Delta Eighty eight or rock around the clock Oh yeah, like Turner and the don't even know what their. Because riddick decided right, but something happened now somebody somebody. decided. It's funny that somebody told the story. that it went through someone's Lens what this was right and there's there's clearly there were people watching. This story told him being like that's not the story right I was there. WHO's this guy? But he wasn't there and he's the one. Fiction! He's the one telling everybody how this went and it doesn't mean it's like. Even like as a kid for like the referencing, I can relate to like rolling stone like I would read like the rolling stone album guide, and I would just like stare at the the ratings and the reviews of the stuff I wake. And then you don't think like it just seemed like there was this like like. This is just the truth. And just like this sucks. Yeah, because it got to stars. Then you meet people and you just realize there's not some giant all knowing. Force called rolling, stone. It's just like magazine writers. twenty-four-year-old! WHO's like? The. I was into Tucson's. They had the review eight records at day. You work on your record for your whole life, and somebody's just like. Yeah. I got write three record reviews today in their blast. Through your thing, they're in a bad mood. Here's this the last on the pile exile apparently. Grabbed me, but I just always remember abuse like. Yeah like seeing that story. The people telling the story would be like. Like a coup had their biases where they were just like rolling stone was so anti Zeppelin during the seventies I. Don't like I'd never had black Sabbath right all that, so they hated it. I don't know where the hell came to me. Like I never trusted, or it never knew read, or if you're going to pick critics, who the hell are the I'd work at rolling stone, but like I never like I don't know I. Don't know how I. came about the like I'm relatively new to amassing records. right but I. I. Know What you're saying that rolling stone, everyone everyone they're. They're all curator's of some kind like the the magazine's not a curator, but they have a context, is it? This is what rolling stone believes in and is what we like what we don't like right? You can see that feel that. Yeah, and it's the same with guys that I. Buy Records from or when I was a kid who turned me under records outside of my father who set the groundwork, which was good groundwork i. mean I think that having? been built on the Oldies for rock and roll in general, it's good. In there But then as I got older, you know I had records. Everyone had than I inherited records, and then like I had a few hundred records in high school, and things were happening high school, and there was a guy in high school the Termi onto the shit, but now i. I mean I. don't even know what you're sitting on your like. There's some I the. There's this mysterious thing about you in that way comedy records you have, and then it's like Oh my God. You can't even say. And then I pictured. There's there's probably houses filled with records and back in Jersey Yeah. There's there's a lot of records. The fairmount, but like what are we talking? Thousands I guess. I mean it's just it's. It's all I ever. Did you know only win from when I was ten? Of buying records. Secretive about it or your shame. It's sometimes. It's always picture the idea that you spend your life collecting thing and you're just like. Don't touch on that one. and. Then you die and then. He's just. Throwing all it in a dumpster with no just like I. Don't know what this stuff is. They didn't buy it at the estate sale. Just. Cheaper to throw it. Just rent one of these dumpsters. They drop in your driveway. Brother, just going to. Keep this. Yeah, and that's like I. Picture that being. I also don't want to get caught up in the. The I don't know there's like a collecting side of things that's always been such a bummer to me where it's like. It works, and it's either sounds like a like a trite thing, but where people are just like. They lose sight of the music by what. Am I can't do that and I don't have the room for it, so that was sort of the. Fear of I've had a fear of. The records owning me for a while and It's a scary thing because the records can own, you know I. Know in like I bought I've bought things sealed like I had I sealed something yesterday I'm trying to remember what the hell it is. I opened because I got a sealed copy of and Mike Who's who my waiting for? To listen. To this I bought this at some point, and it was still sealed like when I go through like I I've been listening to. All the records I've been primarily to out of the records. The older records I get hung up like I. Want I. Want a time. Travel I want old records I get sent a lot of new records and I'll listen to him a couple. Times rarely feel compelled to to keep new records I. Don't know why. Unless they speak to you sure amazing sure. I'm compelled to hold onto all of it. This is why I'm oh trying to. It's a barrier that guy, so so you've just got. Hip five years from now I. Know Maybe. If I got rid of it then I'm the I'm a real sucker. Thank loading this thing now. If I'M GONNA, want it five years. It's like just say good and go get it again, but we right, but so. Have you found that that happens? You got all these records that you thought five years from now. You'd like him now. It's ten years later and he's. Sitting there. There's a there's a certain philosophy that I. Have where it's just like. Isn't it enough that I knew the right things? If it doesn't mean I, read the book or I? Listened to the record. It's like I knew what the good ones were. Isn't that half of? That, most of this like I, think so I can curate the per, but it's like, but that's, but that's, but it shouldn't be though it should be. Like should be able to be happy with just like this liberal stash of the best stuff and let that be what that is, but see but see I. My thing is been like I'm amazed at how much I don't know so like when I deal with you. Know I imagine if we spend time together with your records I would be like I. Don't know anything about this and I like that feeling so then like. How am I going to learn about this It's funny I started this. In the pandemic? This has been a chance for me to start five new podcasts. Great I. Ju Julie. Clouds I started one. We're doing and then what you do over the. I do it on zoom on my and she's Oh. She records good to just sink. Good at yeah, our producer puts it together and that's. We're doing that and that's called double threat, but they also started this other one for like a bonus thing for best show. Yeah, people and it's me and the. The producers on the best show we're going. Year by year through crosby stills, Nash and young through all of the through every solo album, really yeah, and it's like we just recorded this morning for two and a half hours I'm just like. We're doing to two I J each. It's so Yoshi you're going backwards to. We're now we're going in. We're going chronologically. Four. We started with the first episode was every in the first episode was like episode. Zero would be like everything before. CSM So Buffalo, Springfield. Colleagues and then. We're taking two year chunks that time going forward. We just did seventy, five, seventy six, and it was just like. It's like one of the worst experiences of my life. Stephen Stills made four albums a year at one point where he was like cl- I recorded every one of his albums in Miami, so you just don, Pablo's. Exactly running around with guns. Dressed in like either a football Jersey or like dresses like some paramilitary guy and you're just like. And it's just like. But it's like music. Oh, I mean. Some of the stuff is like. There's these crosby Nash albums right. They did one like every eight months. Yeah, and you're just like. You guys are just like it. You guys like you look like you're dying like you look at the cover and they look so unhealthy. And these records are just and then, but just concurrently neil young as like transcending. Like. Reinventing the whole thing, yeah, every album! Yeah, like crosby. CROSBY's too much. Listening thing I did with him. The Greatest. Kind of an asshole. Dude. He would've stayed at my house all day, but but the thing that was amazing about him is I I never I didn't know him. You Look I've got a I've got plenty of love for crosby stills Nash and young and crosby stills and Nash highly. You know I don't. That's the thing I. I like sweet, Judy Blue Eyes in in the live record and You know deja-vu some of it, but. I was into it. When I was a kid, it was formative. Sure mm-hmm, but. But, he didn't know him. I think I tracked him down on twitter I. Don't know if I told you this and I get this phone call from him about no. Time. And I'm I. DON'T WANNA. Get into it now. Because I don't want to betray anybody, but yes something. There was something going on between. Between him and Graham that involved a woman in. These guys are like eight. I mean they've made some of this more public now. Some of the like the. Yeah, he's telling me. You didn't get signs like look man I. Don't want to get into that so if you're planning on getting on my number one I don't know what he's talking, but deeper than that who could possibly give a fuck I mean they're ninety and. Not Get into the chick then. What do you? Does there somebody who is actively like waiting for this information? Just they're fighting over check girlfriends, and just like still it's insane that these guys first of all it's saying all four of them are alive. It's an unbelievable. God bless all of them. They're still. Yeah, four of the ramones are dead. Yeah, all four of crosby stills, Nash Young a lot I don't think stills can hear nothing stills a not doing particularly Great Kirby's just meeting kids. He had yeah. He's forms of bandwith. Yup! They self publishes itself releases his record. We got him to call the best show one night. We're just doing show and one of the producers, Jason just starts. Poking him on twitter being like Hey, call up and he calls up. The weird thing is ever happened so like. Hey Man. And just like. I had no preparation for the no. Nukes David Crosby online for I'm just like. Okay! Because I'm talking to David, crosby now and I was just like I just want to say. Thank you for calling in. Yeah, you know this one birdsong everybody's been burned is one of my all time. Favorite songs were like. and. He's like Oh year. You like the old stuff. Okay, okay, and then I like quick type like David Crosby DOT COM. It's like I like your new outlets. Love the name of new album. The name of the I knew it was going to call in. I would have listened to it if I hadn't pro. Star Newsday's like okay. Okay you like the new stuff and. Start talking about nukes right day. Start talking about nukes and. But. He was so like you just picture I'm just sitting there. But. He was one of the fucking I, he was top notch, ego, Monster, just fucking and drugs, and just two weeks almost satanic yet, Diane, nasty and fucking cluster. Fuck up there in the hills you know. He was like the Lord owner and off. Yeah, he was like. Those guys were the first people that like. The hippies were just like. These guys are just out for the money. Like money and the sex they got singled out just like they're charging twice as much for concert tickets and they're just like they think they're. They're rockstars and we're supposed to like. They were the first ones to kind of get to kind of get dragged by the by the by the counterculture like cs ny really like represented this This thing of just like you guys are fakes, and you're just. You're not a part of the call like. 'cause back then. It was always interesting because. That kind of makes sense because I think the. Either the A in our guy I mean they were a geffen project and I mean deja-vu was David Geffen so I one of his first. And I think in that in his push. Yeah, like in, and he's clearly a a guy who's going to sell out the fucking Hippie doesn't care. But I think I think he was. They were with him. deja-vu is now and I'm just look what do I know I mean they were all kind of hanging out, but obviously guys why Geffen saw a tremendous amount of money in the most fuck the 'cause they mean you. You can maintain the illusion. Fellas, absolutely. No, they were like. Because I think Geffen did that big. They did like this big seventy four mega mega tour where they're applying like football stadium. Right and I think that was a geffen thing, but you don't like any of it I mean really ought. I like Dan's big crosby so a fan like that. I can't remember album. Remember. If I, could only remember my name. Record. Yeah! I think. Series Hippie Shit, there yeah, but that's a sad record. Two because his girlfriend had just die. Like you! It's A. Feel it. Yeah, you can kind of feel. This is a guy trying to get healed through music and I. think that's in it, but then. He goes off the rails Kinda. On the rails and off the same time I'M Just like over the next ten years. You can. If you just look at the pictures of everybody year, you're just like in aging a doll. Year seven years. In Jail I mean you know ends with a Mugshot when he's got short hair? Delivers going on. Yeah, but here's my thing like. Like I'm going through. The records have gone through them. All I got I got new record dividers that are very nice, okay. I moved the jazz upstairs I had more room downstairs. Your jazz and comedy upstairs comedy is just sort of a guilty pleasure, I. Don't listen to like jazz kind of like. You know what people are like. Kind of Jazz. Jazz you can listen to again I can with. Throwing on Shelley Berman album again. To time. There's no. There's no nuance. It's like I didn't hear that. What like did you hear the beat on that? They took it took an extra second before he says like a there's a woman hanging outside of the window and see what is the upper limit of how many times you could listen to. Record exact three. Well some of them were kind of like. There's one record that I will play for people and it's a Rodney dangerfield record before he got the hook. It was called the loser or something. It's actually signed. I don't know where I got it, but it's kind of long form bits, so it's. It's Rodney doing this thing that you just don't know him for before he got the respecting way. Nice thing. I it's Kinda Nice to listen to people before they. You know fully formed Oh. Yeah, yeah, but I think the the most interesting thing about comedy records is just the bad decisions. People make about the cover art which I've done myself. When you look at comedy records like? How did they think that was a good idea? Even peers of mine people we know have record covers were like really you're holding your. Always like what are you doing? Those the covers of comedy records and The the way a stages dressed on comedy special community so telling where you come out into the giant pencil. Mistakes people are just like bad mistakes, props. It's like A. Just like it's like I'm in the playground, but these options. That's the fucked up thing. That's the worst thing you can do because it's like with comedy, central half hours or like. Yeah, let us know what you want to do with the states, so my first one I did two of those. And the first one I'm Mike for some reason. I'm like I WANNA sideshow banner. Okay, because I thought. I? Don't know what thought it'd be interesting. Yeah, but it just. It looks weird, just a fat lady in. You know and I'm like what was I doing and mean? People are like what's that? Why does he have that up? And then the next one was worse. Where where it was worse I come a shame to fool, was it? And so two, thousand, two, thousand, six I think and like I'm like I want I want. It was not one of your big big. You're not one of your banner years to. Wasn't bad I was in Air America was pretty political. Yeah! I was you. The set was type. It is pretty political. Yeah, so I had this idea in terms of like you were because people you know the whole. Thing. It's like you are not. Right after I, think I'd just wasn't. I separated yet. I might it might have been right before we got divorced because you had the two because I always look at seven Air America thing I always look at us like after two thousand four. It was like because I went to. That I went to that election party that. Two thousand four election. which was one of the most I? Mean that to me is the launch you mean the launch party for Air America, no, like literally the night of the two thousand four presidential election. It was just like Oh. Yeah, like when like when Bush one? Yeah, when? There was flake. Sam I will talk to Sam Cedar in the morning and he would just be like he's like. Carries got this in the bag. I just to somebody. fucking Lawrence are Donald. Did that to me with Hillary to the fucking bowery I'm going to do. She can win. He's like Oh, yeah. And I remember being at that party and watching like. People like there. I can't remember, but it was such. I just remember seeing like. Rachel Maddow and Was winstead. Yeah, let's win set and they were people just like. Well, there's counties in Ohio. Have come in yet and those are more Democrat and there's just like watch. Over. Lost, but people are just trying to like. Pull hope from nowhere. And felt like the Air America. Thing was just like. This place existed to beat this guy and it's like what's going to be now, is that? What did you just keep pushing against it? Yeah for me. It was fine, but the but the set was the problem where I thought like I'm going to have a big picture of a herd of sheep. Okay going the other way. And I'm going to be your the sheep going the other one going the one sheep sure, if not them not going to heard. Yeah, so there's a picture of a literally a photograph of the asses of a herd of shoes. and. Then somehow I signed off on the idea to have one stuffed sheep. Sure on the state okay. And I did that that off. In the world. That there was a point where somebody said. Do you like the sheep and yeah? Yeah put the one out there. 'cause that solidifies. Yeah Oh you just see me sitting. Standing up there with passes Y- behind me. Stupid stuff but stage, yeah, and then my mind and my. I'm I'm. I'm nailing so funny that you get to the point where you're just like. Of course I. Don't need any of that thing you needed. Literally. None of it gave you the option. That's what I'm telling you. That was their way of personalizing it because they turn those things out the half hours. We're all shot one week sometimes two day. Yeah, so. They're like what you want. We're GONNA. Make it your own. And whatever stage look like at that thing. That is a giant crib and then. Every comedian has. Their good. That's what they put their money into. His guy gets getting these set changes, but that Moore did it take for mind nothing a put a slide up and they brought a stuff shipping. We've got the slide in the. Reads. This is easy to go and the other time. It was just a sideshow banner That was a bad. That was bad. Because like I was. I was sober yet, and and I came out to la a sad experience, still married to I. Don't remember what year that was. Where'd you tape that? At the like over here in Hollywood I'm vine I remember what theater was was one of those theaters over there, okay? The Ivar may be or something where they I don't remember but but it was like that was the year that Hedberg taped his changed his wife that thing he did, and I was Aaron like he didn't do that well, but the kids loved it. Yeah, and I remember they bust in a Lotta Samoans. I don't know why they were busing in audience members and all I know. Is that like I'd come out here? I would I knew my material and I watched some of it the other day, and it's bad and I were a black suit with a red shirt I was well groomed, and I really was like I'm going to stay clean. GonNa come out here and just be. Like, the night before the special, I just went over to. The Guy I did drugs with that time. WHO is out here? You know and Bob. I was like I just do a couple. Nine die ended up wake up all night not with him, but just in my fucking hotel room going why fuck I do that. And I do the I do the set and it's bad, so OK? Nothing lands like someone done a thing on youtube written an article, a deep dive into the rabbit hole of me, just all the way up through the current special, and had a large along clip of that one I'm telling you about and I'm like Oh my God and there are things i. remember loving loving about that set uh-huh, and so here's how this was the worst moment about it. Though so I do this. It's my first half hour for comedy central and I walk into the dressing room and I got no friends there. Nobody's there except my Koci except for Bob and And he's in the green. Room going yeah roast beef. That's that's what I walk. Is Bob standing there with a plate or roast beef. Yeah didn't even say good set and I was sort of like yeah, with the fuck of I. Know. This is bad. Yeah, I played. I was at Maxwell's for a yellow. On the first, that's one of the first times we had an extended conversation with. One of their Hanukkah shows. That's right, and I never felt like I did well at those things that was the night. You and I had a long conversation right in the hallway. We should Fran exactly. It's just like this thing. Where like you're like? It is such a weird thing where you're just not sure especially when you carry so much just like shitty. for which I know I do just like I, said I mix it up with this guy. What's it there? I mean show like this Guy Shaves. Go after like for no reason. Yeah, it's. It's so fetig the I. Know! He's a great guy. Sweaty to wasn't sweating. It's always hot. The Maxwell Maxwell those Yala Tango. Shows. Were So. Crowded and I just remember early on like I tweeted something. That was like weird. Blind items sub tweet thing that lake. About, what can a shot at some at another podcast? Not You right and is remember Brendan like writing before. I even knew Brendan just like say hey, you talking about us, I'm like no. He's like Oh cool because I like. Shall and it was like like your show too, and it's like that's all dislike. Exactly friends with everybody was just like no. I was ripping on somebody else out good. Yeah. That's exactly it. Yeah, they're terrible. We're friends. Sad State of affairs. The Rodney thing saying. I've been watching so much. This youtube channel of now. A lot of over tonight jokes. About him, I say about him as like you know it's. It's odd that. In the big picture in the history of comedy, he doesn't get the respect he deserved. He's still doesn't. and. He's great. It's unbelievable the level of Him and rickles covered. Every thing I'm interested in like to represent all of the comedy I could ever want your thing and it's like. His thing is just so like. If you watch a bunch of the tonight. Show things you realize the game with in the game that when he would sit down on the couch with Johnny and then just be just kind of like. They're just going through just like health. Dumb Kid yeah yeah. This ramp to like he just he just he gets to the, and it's just like you could see the amount of fund that they're having knowing that. This is a game that like always do as land one with Johnny and it's like like he doesn't always win one. 'cause Rodney like right out of the gate. He like everything's twitching. Everything everything is moving on. That guy had his arms his legs. He's wedding me touching himself. It's like it's everything's going, and it's all funny. It's it's the funny. The funniest conceit is that he sits down, and then johnny goes hiring. It's like I'm doing good last week. I was in rough shape though last week Russia. Last week last week I was in rough shape is the funniest thing I've ever heard. And then when like one doesn't land, he'll just go like well, not funny that some of just not to be cute. It's just like and that just kills Johnny the idea that just like. He knows when he bombs on my God. He's only trying to lend jokes man and it's like he's so like he's such a package that guy. And then to find retrospect, he's been paralyzed with depression. Oh, he's profoundly sad. unfixable Richard Lewis. say he referred to it as a heaviness got the head. Or breaking. You can just feel a dislike. I just think you. You feel this guy. And there's seems like there's a part of that just like. Where were you bombs when I was trying to make him? Hook ME THIRTY YEARS TO GET HERE? I hate all. You had to sell Pot Adami. And been fucking. Go get into the women inciting business with Joe Answers at fucking kids. You ask xactly. Where were you guys? You made me you made me grind it out. I'm in my fifties before you get started. Paying attention and everything like all all he's doing is trying not to get sucked into the vacuum of self just darkness fighting I'm trying not to drown here Johnny don't get me and he just won't women. He just knows to not. Show, the person like he just noisy just like I'm never show you I'm not once. You get these little glimpses. Of like the like the ACT A and we're, he'll just be like. Like, he'll just say like like I. Got Dates on playing over at this. You know I got this movie coming out easy money and it's a good movie, but I really like doing the live stuff just like you just know. He hates like he hates these movies. He just he just knows he's grabbing whatever they'll give him. He'll take. Yeah, but it's not why he's there. At the live show like stand up is what? Kept the lights on for the guy, and then whenever we get to that moment where he's just like I played a lot of rough places. Vetoes boom boom room easily. Mundi Oh. I'm so glad these A. Looking at us to always end up on him to I like rickles to the thing I liked about rickles. Is that rickles like almost always on TV appearances would say like twenty percent of what he said makes no sense at all. It's it's make. It's just word salad. Just. This guy's got the thing on his head with the two four things. And the five Spaghetti O's who bill this guy is busy. Knocking on the door is trying to tell me trying to sell me a pair of pants and you're just like what's that mean? Lake timing was always. Does knows he can like Ram it through, and he knows like some of these are nothing I've ever watched him do A. And like the the thing that killed me. I'll never forget agency system some guy. Front and I think it was a play. Where where'd you get that to come with the two pairs of pants and a Yoyo? He would go his. There's this thought. It might be like five hours long of him every. Every Lake it was like I think it was like every letterman appearance for rickles from from like an eighty three way to win like. His final one and it just like when he came out with a cane when he would be out. There already would come back from a commercial break. He'd be sitting there because he couldn't walk, so, but he would be like. One of the funny, it's like one of the meanest in funniest things he did this. He would like all like do variations on jokes or you just be like? He'd be like. Dave I went to I was on Jerry Lewis is telephone and he comes out he sings. You'll never walk alone. The kids get up and leave. The. Meanest? Everybody like. Era Moments where watch rickles, and he's filled with real fury among you can see it like I. It's all cute, but like something behind their. That's sort of like Oh my God. Yeah, well, he also he. It must be a thing to to know your the court jester for them for for these for these legitimacy that one of the where they set up. A MAKESHIFT VEGAS. Lounge for him to entertain people in show business. Have you seen that I don't know I? Don't know it was like I. Don't know who did. It was a Dean Martin Luther something I think. I might have it, but they're like you know this guy. We're GONNA. Yeah, he's the guy who does there so we? If you've never seen him in Vegas, and so they created on the set like a stage for him to do his Dick. But in the in the audience is Pat Boone like all these weird celebrities volume. Kinda and he just goes Adam. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy because he's sweating and it's like it's probably how is not the worst nightmare you know, but he must be. It must be the worst and the Ba- like his bulletproof he knows. I can say I have the Mike. I can say whatever I want and you. People are GonNa Laugh. When he says like his timing was so good when James James Stewart teams. and. It goes like Jimmy. I talked to the family. You're doing fine. Those are always. On my God he would like he That album he did this album. Hello, dummy, which is like just the standup like. At the end I know at the end of it. There's the speech he always did where it's like. We I was in the Navy, and we stood on that ship looked out, and we were all others. I don't make fun of little people. You're all big like it's kind of a cop out. But he like. There's a point where he's like He's a showing. He made fun of anybody's. Like. Where where are you from and the guys like? Uh? I'm well. She's like. Let me make you feel at home. Earn cave-in like so. He could just do it like a mining. And everybody is like I was like this guy is. Just, like he can say anything, he could spend anything. It's all rhythm pace and force of the words. Yeah, like you have to kind of realize how little you need, it's. It's not the specials you. Didn't you realize you didn't need a cheap onstage? No need anything, and then you're better off without even shooting the audience. That was the best thing I started doing. Don't ever cut to the audience. It's just a trick, so you can cut may cuts. Why look at that Weirdo white like evening the Improv like why am I looking at those people I, never, WanNa. See the audience and these things and it just feels like. You know what I can't stand the special whenever there's like this thing. When like is somebody make a? Reference to just like the like you know. Basically mentioned some either like a either gender or ethnicity, and they cut to the audience member of who lines up with the job it's like. The, it's like the worst thing. I ever saw my life to black people just like there was nothing worse than The audience cuts during Paul Rodriguez. I did a special in a prison just horrendous. That might be the only one I would wanNA see audience reactions to it just it, but they would cut it like people clearly didn't want to be seen. What is the what is for you? The ceiling on what is for for? Comedy. Crowd, wise size wise like what? Where do you think it gets lost? I would say you. you start to kind of buckle. At twelve hundred, okay I think you can still kind of make something intimate with twelve hundred and make comedy real. You can still reach the battle. Get up into two thousand or fifteen hundred e what was Carnegie Hall Twenty, two hundred yeah, but that's a different kind of that rooms got perfect sound situation so that when you did Carnegie, Hall You. You felt like you were reaching the I felt like I did not do well. But. Statement was such a fun show never got off stage. She'd be like two hours in Graz. Because I was sitting there I was sitting one row, and for my mind your mother, and then you just went off, and you did the stuff about your mother and I'm watching your mother watch. This is the highlight of my life. Right now watching this guy, reckon with this thing. And Twenty, however many thousand. We're we're all spectators to this guy finally squaring off with his mother. Did I. Do yeah. You're doing the whole thing about this like. Why don't I get to pull the plug? On my brother. His number one. He gets the ball the plug on it. Yeah, yeah, why does he get to? Seeing you do that in front of her to to her. Really. Was this like you just a race? All it would just be. You and hurt heading in Carnegie Hall. Had The lady. Bring out my phone to read the email from my father. Yeah! Yeah, riffing is, it's a big night for me to riff for an hour but that's the cap that to you is like a different structure. Yeah, it was that was tricky. I felt the weight of it. You could see like I can open my I can feel when I'm open, and when it starts to buckle, like I can feel like like in my heart, I can feel like. It's fight now. I'm losing them back to okay. Did you feel like you lose? I would. This is so interesting to me. Do you feel like? When you look at a theater, yeah, are you focusing on sections? Are you focusing on the entirety of the room or you were the when you're when you're onstage. Theaters like have a good role to them, and you know you. You feel you know buoy. We'd like it really depends also on the acoustics of the theater, but like when I did a symphony hall both times I did the symphony hall. Three times I, did one in San Francisco to one in England. And I did a Bam like they're like that type of structure that's built for an Orchestra Mike I started to feel like like at any second I could get zero laughter. Okay and I. Don't know why like it was like that was. There was the potential for the connection to break. Right right feels like yeah, like I'm going to be up here alone. and I'm going to hear myself talking and it could happen. And I don't know why. I think it's my own fear. Maybe it's something because ultimately that's on me. right like I. Don't know what what makes me continue to be confident in those moments, but even when you're bombing, you've got to keep doing the act so you you do not, and it's a liability. It can happen, and it's a horrible feeling I don't know why, but like I can't open back up and here. I am you know not even on autopilot, but I'm just doing it, but I'm not connecting and now I gotta live with this. Yeah for an hour. So, worst and into and I don't know I always think a at a symphony hall. It's sort of like this isn't built for one troubled Ju. This is built. This is built a House symphony. You know of people that spend to put together a big thing. Yeah, not me going God. What is going to happen? And do you do feel yourself watching yourself do it. I've only had that happen once or twice like servant. Body the worst. UNINDO BACKSTAGE! You can't. I'll meet you back there. Sorry, Buddy. I just can't hang out for this. Like God. But. That's funny that that this one form caps out at such a relatively low number before you start to feel like you lose. Nets me, you know I. Mean Guys like do arenas you know and they but I still think a lot of. That's a cash. Grab I. Mean who the fuck would go. See Comedy at a football states. What I don't understand is just the idea of like. When you would have when there was that stretch where all these people were playing Madison, Square Garden and the like. I think the Louis and Amy Schumer and everybody was like like got to do the garden right like they were doing the golf and it's just like. That's what is that fifteen thousand people for stand up thing if you're not even doing the back was if it's over ten so. It just feels like. There's there's just such A. There's such a ceiling on any kind of connection. You could have just based on the. Right, but you're doing different kind of thing. Your jokes I can't like I like room so I can fuck off you know and and and find something new you know, but if you're tight and your jokes land like you in order to do that size room, your jokes have got to land strong. Yeah, you can't just. You can't be thoughtful you you can't be. Be Lyrical really yeah, yeah, yeah, because then you're gonNA. Come to the end of it and people are going to be like. Is it done you know so? You know like you'll notice that. Most of those guys did do the big rooms they're they're going to. You know everything boom boom ball yet says it's gotta be. It's like the equivalent of just like. Just, you have to. It's like like if you're gonNA be a band playing there you have to keep your thing has to translate. Yes to the whole room and they play the hits. Man You know what I mean like. Yeah, he's just got to land and I I could do it and I've gotten better at doing those oddball things for twenty thousand people and when I do it I'm like jokes do I. Know Close strong in a lot of guys. That's all they think about like everything like, but some of my jokes. Are you know they're? They're not, it's not. They don't close strong. Would they go a different direction? They're more personal, but you don't. You don't really have that option there now. I know when you're in a place like that. You're not seeing that anything. That's subtle can read as not working right right, which is just such a crazy thing, but that's the way that is the nature thing, but with music. It's amazing that there's like. There's no ceiling on. How big if you're big enough for the people. You can play to two hundred thousand people that people can be playing. Thousand People Works. Yeah because it's music magic. Yeah, because everybody has the relationship with different, but the song and they can listen to it over and over again. Yeah, and yeah, they're just all amazed. It's just it's a whole different thing, but it's so funny. When they first started having bands at Madison Square Garden, Remember. I was talking to Terry Reid who is opening in band opening for cream or somebody I think. Okay and when him and Clapton got into Madison Square Garden and they were walking around like looking at it marveling at it, because they'd seen Sonny Liston, fight their on television. Yeah, it wasn't because bands at Blair. Traditional, boxers. So funny, it's because it's an all purpose. Entertainment Centre, right? We're just like yeah, we'll have a we'll have. Elvis is GonNa be here and then there's going to be. The Knicks are going to play a game. He Morrow. And we're going to a hockey game in here. It's just like everything. Yeah, if that was worth about Carnegie Hall that had to realize to like as mythic is that place is most of the time. It's not filled, you know. It's it's. Saturday, Afternoon Concert Series Yeah Yeah! Yeah it's you know it's a Persian fiddle player. you know. But. I'm not saying that's bad, but I'm just saying. which way to it like Carnegie Hall, but no one ever goes there. It's the way they run things every day. Have four times a week and they're like only got twelve people in there. For the Persian dances functional e concert hall where it just like. We to do something here. The worst part about that night was like outside of me, not feeling great about it. Was You know we? Have I. had my management scrambled to get. Cats is for everybody and put it in a room there. I wasn't told that you know if we're there. After a certain hour, they gotta pay the Union overtime also like there was all this meat upstairs, and we all go into this room. And all these people came up and they're like. You gotta get out uh-huh. What's going to happen? Yeah? It was rushed. I didn't realize that the rest of what was just. We don't want to pay them anymore. Yeah, you gotta get out and then mean you walked ninety blocks. Yeah, and in Nape arquette's. He gave me some dip I. Remember I was had a skull packing and you and were decompressing Yeah, that was exciting. I was just like took the walk seeing that whole thing and just you kinda you Kinda like doing a post game thing after it was very flattering that you asked me to be there, it was such it was a special night I didn't feel. You said you recorded it, so it's not like I can't release it. I have it somewhere. I haven't heard time I listen to it. That'll be in your box that it'll be in. The box said I thought standard. I've talked to swizzle about putting him out. He's got most of my records. You put them all out, but like do is comedy really like that? There was some records I've done like. Final engagement seems to resonate with some people because it's like it's such a dark, angry record, and I recently talked to Louis Cats. WHO's a comic? He's going through a break up and he's like I listened to. That I think it was helpful, and it was like one of these records were Mike. I'm going through that separation. I'm heartbroken angry. I can barely keep my fucking. Santa together and I call up Schuessel, who does recording I say I, think I got something you should just meet me in Seattle with the Shit. and. He did and I got the worst comedy club in the world. Who Work there? Okay? We taped like four shows of me, just sort of like in the darkest place in my life and it exists in the world yeah. Well, let's and now it's. It's how people that are going through Harper. Yeah, you made! 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Episode 1106 - Thandie Newton

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Episode 1106 - Thandie Newton

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Just head to stick your premium dot com and sign up with the Code W T.F. Now let's do the most recent episode like today's episode of WTN. All right. Let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers. What the fuck buddies. What the Fuck Knicks? What the Fuck Daleks? What the fuck cats. How's it going? Are you alright? How's it? Has It being bunkered self isolated Sequestered by self quarantined. Nothing to do locked down. How's IT GOING? Are you all right? I just I man. I don't know it got pretty scary. Pretty quick out here in California. I don't know where you are. Of course we're would a late to the game in this country but you know we've two Americans. It takes a while for them to kind of negotiate the negotiation between Lizard Brain and and the ego can be kind of a rough going. You you know you get the information. And who is your brain to react properly and take the Constructive measures to protect oneself. But then depending where your ego is maybe a still WanNa go to that concert or you still want to go that restaurant you still want to bar or you still want to believe that. It's not real or that it couldn't happen to you ego that guy that I'll tell you man that that conflict between ego lizard brains going to be the end of us and I'm being very diplomatic about it. I mean I'm the same way I'm the same way I mean. Come on our guest. Today is Tandy Newton from a Westworld and the movie crash. She's very lovely person. The new season of Westworld is on. Hbo Sunday Nights and on Hbo Streaming Platforms. But a lovely person and I was thrilled to talk to her. But I do want to let you guys know I. We did the interview shortly before the Nutty. It was sort of at the beginning of it. of the lockdown out. Here I wanNa tell you as always despite whatever we go through given this is one of the few places where people can still connect and listen and take their minds off it or at least Listen to other human beings being human. We'RE GONNA keep bad. We're not GonNa let you down. We will be here for you going through it with you as this unfolds. But we're going to be here the same as always twice a week to to give you what you need. It's definitely scary. And I think it's weird for because I'm an anxious person that's full of dread anyways but but generally my dread does not the world's going to end read or that I'm going to get sick dread really it's really day to day dread but I've I've run the gamut of complete existential paralysis and anxiety. I used to be you just paralyzed by hypochondria. I used to be completely immersed in the type of dread of I was going to die. We were all going to die. But that's lessened. But My grooves our grooved my neuro channels my neural canals my neuro pathways as are cut with the the The sharp edge of anxiety. All the way back from my front lobes to the back all the way back all the way from the ego to the Lizard Brain. I've got well articulated neuro pathways at. I can climb into anytime I want. Well traveled so with all this going down. There's something about the chaos in the panic and the impending doom of it all that is sort of I feel okay. I feel like all right so now we all kind of understand. What carved me out of the PUCK and clay to be who I am and we're all on the same page. Obviously that's that's not true. We have some people are worse off in terms of panic. There's something about things. Being a little chaotic and out of Control and scary is when I get calm and I get clarity and I get relaxed and get grounded. The belligerents the people that insist on living their lives is Inability to think altruistically. It's a fairly selfish childish mode of thinking that the right engages in most of the time but some of us are guilty of it as well. The sort of like yeah. It's not that bad. You know you dive at old people die. I'm not GonNa you know it. It's the spread man. It's the spread. Amnio quite honestly data own no. They don't know how it's GonNa Affect People. I don't know how it's GonNa Mutates killing some younger folks in some places. I don't know what's going to happen. You know the hope the bit. The hope is right. The hope is that. Don't get that bad. And that's how the precautions we're taking on a state by state level by responsible state representatives as opposed to leadership at the top may work may hold it back and if it does then the belligerent. Wolves cry foul and and say. I told you in You guys overreacted. It was all assault on our freedom in the best case scenario if thousands and thousands and thousands don't get sick and thousands and thousands and thousands. And don't don't die those of us who were careful and we acted properly Will be called the enemy for overreacting. But I guess that's a small price to pay if our fucking economic system and medical system and community systems. Hold up right right. What a time to be alive. Hey you know I wanNA give a shout out to Scott Williams who was a fan of the show and he works at the company citizens for humanity. He's been listening forever but he heard me mention my desire for someone to style me. So he sent me and Brendan some kick ass Denham from his company. this isn't a paid plug just a public. Thank you Scott thanks man. They look pretty good and they're comfortable and I'll wear them. Sweatshirt was nice to Jack. Was Nice. Thank you Scott and also Sony? Pictures CLASSICS PROUDLY PRESENTS. The climb a new comedy starring. Mike Co Vino Kyle. Marvin that has had audiences laughing around the world from Khan to Toronto to tell you right to sundance the climb follows the story of Kyle and Mike. Two best friends a cherry tumultuous but enduring relationship across many years of laughter heartbreak in rage critics raved that the climb is the comedy of the season variety calls the climate smart moving anatomy of toxic friendship while slash film says that they wonderfully bizarre black comedy about friendship and betrayal. The Hollywood reporter says the climb is that rare. Contemporary American comedy and awards daily says get ready for a new dynamic. Comedy duo in town through. It caused the climb one of the best movies of twenty twenty Sony Pictures Classics. The climb will be coming to a theater near you. You Know I. I was too slow on the toilet paper but thankfully I had a dozen or so rolls and it's only me now you know. Lynn's here too because Heard production got shut down in Boston show. She flew back. Glow is put on hold. Everything's on hold. The comedy store is closed. This is where we're at. We don't know how long it's going to go on for. I don't know man I don't know. And if you're a compulsive eater the risk is you're gonNA go through your two weeks of food and a couple days. We'll see what happens this week. You know I'll check in with groceries. That's weird thing I- i- compulsively go to grocery stores for one or two things. When I need them because they're close not anymore not only even if they're little like I need some dry mustard and some pepper. Corns to pickle. Some beets but I don't know what it's GonNa. I don't know what's going to happen this week. I don't know what's going to happen. I just hope people are doing these sort of Distancing trip just for everybody's sake. We don't know what's going to happen minds. We'll take the precautions that are recommended by the people that know as opposed to calling them Hacks or frauds are cooks with listen to the scientists on this one. We've never been through a pandemic. Why not take the information from the people that understand this stuff? 'cause they studied it their whole fucking life as opposed to you probably not listening to this show who thinks say no everything just because because they don't want to change they don't WanNA listen. They don't WanNa be inconvenienced fucking do what I want. I'm a child so a lot of Nice responses to the special and I appreciate it. Well had people on twitter. A lot of e mails coming in appreciate it. I couldn't have timed it better. I didn't time it like this. I had nothing to do with it. Tragic serendipity brought my special end times fun to the public on on the weekend. That seems like the end is upon us. And I'm glad it's providing some relief by had nothing that there was no way I could calculate that and I had nothing to do with the creation of the corona vires. Yeah the entire global tragedy was not some sort of false flag from promote my special. Sorry I wish it was. I wish it wasn't real but it is real it is real so it's real you got me fired and it changed my life. This is something I could not have anticipated. Usually I get the life-changing emails because of the podcast. Hey Mark just wanted to share a quick story. It was maybe nineteen ninety-five. I'd Finish College in Indiana with no future move to Albuquerque on a whim and got a job at mailbox. It's Cetera by the university. You came in one morning to send some package I recognized you from comedy channel and to my everlasting embarrassment was a bit starstruck. Evidently I undercharged you or overcharge regardless it got back to the boss. She fired me having nothing else to do then. I answered an ad in the back of a magazine and wound up teaching English in Korea for the next two years came back to the states in in the army for four years and now made public librarian in Wisconsin. Just wanted to say. Thanks for getting me fired. Change my life anyway. Appreciate what you do and wanted you to know that your honesty about addiction and related troubles though masked in comedy makes a sincere difference and a whole lot of mine included stay strong. And WHO HA- Chris. Thanks Buddy Glad to help out which glad to have gotten you fired. Glad to help L. Out. Yeah Okay what else. We got Ireland. Hello Mark just listened to your interview at Don Gavin in which the Irishman needed your convincing to visit Ireland. I love that. The country left such a large impression on you who doesn't love soft rain. I'm of Irish heritage originally from North Jersey Slash New York over the years I connected deeply with many a Russian Jew or eastern European court because of how we overlapped in humor and casual despair. Joyce and Tolstoy were doing their thing pretty much at the same time and a quick word. About Boston Aka the last bastion of old school American masculinity there exists a double helix of fighting toughness and EPA genetic pain which forms pure cinematic poetry. Manchester by the sea is the most recent example. I agree with your observation about Irish men being so much. Sweeter than irish-american men my theory irish-american men have had their donegal beaten out of them emasculated particularly in Boston by the Gentry who oppressed them for eight hundred years back in the motherland. I can't imagine it was easy for you either. Making the rounds in New England as young comic. My parents are slowly dying on Cape Cod. And every time I visit I'm struck by the deep suspicion. New Englanders have of anyone who doesn't subscribe to that cloistered Catholic Pathos Best Barbara and you. Barbara are a poet. Thank you for that Barbara. I appreciate that. This one is He boy. All right honeymoon. Pandemic dig it already. I'm in I liked. The title should be a movie. Highmark out this email finds you well. My wife and I both Americans were slash are honeymooning in Spain this past week. If you WANNA call it that most we. We were just walking around increasingly deserted streets in ancient and beautiful cows looking for restaurants that might welcome us and clandestinely applying Purell after repeated handwashing. 's what I will say is that we argued a lot and being the more well traveled in our team. I tried to assure my beloved in chronological order one. The trip was a good idea to we. Weren't going to have to change it while we were here. Three we can just cut the trip short a bit for. They're going to let us back in the country. Five home quarantine might be creatively productive for us. It was a crash course in marriage. One one and a possible crisis situation and women's intuition should not be diminished or ignored. Once I admitted my shortcomings attention east and we hunkered down last night where we were the only guests to watch N. Times Fun and I will say we laughed our asses off the special was everything we love about you and it truly helped ease tension. We have over our current travel situation and the symbolism of our trip which we have dubbed honey pandemic anyway just wanted to say thanks for bringing us together and providing some much needed perspective and levity in a strange time. Much love Keith. And Lauren now. This came in on Saturday night. I bet you they're stuck there. This can be a real test Keith. Lauren God I hope I hope your marriage survives your honeymoon you. Oh Man. Do you need software stuff to run Your Business or Home Office? Simplify your software search with Capterra. 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That's why Capterra is great if you need software for balancing your books you just type accounting into the search bar and it'll give you all the results with all the research already done visit. Capterra DOT COM. So as W T. F for free today to find the right software choice for your business. Capterra that's C. A. P. T. E. R. R. A. dot com slash W. t.f capterra software selection. Simplify so Tandy. Newton is a real fan of this show and it was. I didn't I didn't know that thoroughly until she came. And we had a lovely conversation and she was great. I felt like we talked for a long time. And she tandy. Newton sent me flowers a couple of days after we had to talk to say what a nice time she had and that it was it was a great experience for her sent me flowers. She sent me a beautiful bouquet of flowers. Lovely and this is me talking Tandy Newton about a lot of stuff. She is in the new season of Westworld. She's been been in there since the beginning and the new season is on Hbo Sunday Nights and on Hbo Streaming Platforms and we talked about A lot of stuff. This is me and ten Newton. There are shows where people sort of sit down with show runners and they get like a like a seasonal arc. Like what am I doing? What am I GONNA BE? What's happening not your experience. They like to keep things from us. Why because you agree with that logic. I trust them. I trust them. Yeah because I liked them people. Yeah I didn't trust and every else you trust their westworld people. I trust those two people. You WanNa work hands on your head light to you'll doing it so I'm going to do it because I can hear myself and you can hear yourself myself slow up. Oh Nice that is going to drive some people crazy. There are certain people in the world that cannot take that. Take like at them. Yeah all right so but that's scripted. That week to week thing or you so you get this grip for westworld like a week before. Oh yeah that's it that's it that's that's it see. I think that's why I I find it or I have found it unsatisfying to act on television because that means like even if you have just a few scenes you've got a week to kind of put those things together. Only focus on the scenes kind of locked into your trip. But it's not it's not enough to live in it. You know what I mean. You're visiting yeah except you don't know in life where you're going to be doing from one week to the next so. I don't know what's going to in five minutes exactly after I've done is Kofi. I no no no. I don't mind I'm trying to think of why they keep things from sometimes Why I think they don't want us to share information with each other whether they don't maybe they don't WanNa be tied to something. I think that might be thing like you. Don't want an act to being disappointed with what's coming up. It's not fully done yet or so got other revisions and shit. It's mostly because they don't trust anybody not to dump the story out to the world. Maybe that's why I didn't really know it's just not that important to me to to find out. If if we were in patent worth your found out I was going to kill a child. You have an old lady I just I I. It doesn't give you time to say no to say no. I don't WanNa do that okay. Well there's right. I think they would ask you but actually it's only in Westworld with those two things could no no no well for me when robots God when I find that new stuff. It's always great and I'm like I didn't know that my almost tried to have sex with my daughter until the week before. What that last The last scene of the second season I think of glow where we're Justin reveals that. He's my daughter that I didn't know I had again. And she was pretty fucked up. It was pretty intense. I mean they go that far but it was kind of jarring but I didn't know that was going to happen to like the week before so and views. The character didn't know either. So exactly that's understand epinay. Maybe now I guess but I guess as an actor. Who's trying to learn how to act who doesn't consider himself to be that great at it yet? You get out but to put more work into getting to to sort of really feel like. I think if they told me what's going to happen this season that to know where I'm going to go it would kinda give me some sort of what I do. Know what you mean like for example Ken Loach Right Director Ken Loach. He often doesn't tell the active what what's coming up next. Yeah very often than non actors right so they respond as as you would completely. That's I don't know how I feel about hedge. Genius films are amazing but If you're an actor doing it for a living you don't want that if you can I guess for me because I spent so much of my life not preparing and winging it like most of what I do stand up and stuff all sorts? That Way. And this what we're doing right now. Yeah that you know the idea that like I'd like to try to make some choices man. Yeah Yeah so give me some. I want to spend some time. We actually mind you do have a week and I bet you doing a week. His shirt was pretty good. But then I talked to you like Sam Rockwell Rockwell. And he's like you know what I'm GonNa do movie. I read the script the whole script one hundred times on my Holy Shit. That sets fucking crazy excessive. I guess so. That's what he needs to do if he's good he's really what I need to do. Know What are you need? Have to figure it out. I'm trying to eve I think you're doing quite a good joe thank you. I mean it depends afterglow. Do you want to go and do other stuff? I've been doing some movies here and their points. Jerry Wexler and the Aretha Franklin movie he did with Jennifer Hudson. I hear I did good. I never did but you did that. Beautiful thing the modern love skiing great choked up when you bring it up. Oh she's amazing. She's great we had it for one day man so that cafe scene go ahead of I can go man and it is and you did great. We're in it. Why Open you hear? No I live in London so Oh you just here to impress. Yeah but I'm in the middle of shooting a movie in Montana right now. Montana's pretty it's are you enjoying? Yeah shooting amman-tel God is so fucking good. Who's directing that first time? This is his first feature. He's award-winning short movies. Real STUDENT OF CINEMA. Good independence done a very small and it was a. I just finished westworld and another movie back to back then. I really needed to go home. And just just do nothing and I read the script and talk to him and I said no I just do. This is so good except rich. I thought this is so good that someone else is going to. It's still GONNA BE GREAT. His the material so good yeah And so I didn't feel like oh they need me All right right and then I couldn't stop thinking about two weeks. I had experienced for years. Montana factor into it. She's it's it's set in Montana a black woman in the snow with a dog and a gun really like and I call it a near Western. It's how is Montana. I hate the snow I mean I I really do find beauty and I. It looks beautiful but you know underneath as Pooh. There's there's okay I just see what's I know frozen under. They're not even frozen surname. They're just that right. Oh sure filth and it's fucking freezing and I don't like being cold. I mean there's so much going against this thing it sounds like one of those kind of like it's a character study. You're the movie correct. Yes right and it's dealing with issues around. Just judging people at face value hate crimes racism subtle subtle themes which are so present in our culture right. Now you know me and well I'm this. This is why I need to do this. Figure right because I just feel like it really really really it. Articulates the dilemma. Really well and helps you to see just the The just the suicidal tendencies of of humanity and how we're not willing to experience each other and and face up to ourselves and and just fear of the other ensure also that like you know I start to realize recently that there's this weird cocoon of entitlement and and constantly which is fear of entitlement here but also this idea that you know that your perception or what you think somebody is is what they are and it happens almost. Yeah and I think we all do it to a degree you know like I and I'm not talking about race but like just with anybody I used. I wrote this line. Said most of who other people are is something we make up what we project of course is and it's very useful. Yeah you think of yourself in a little tribe and you know having to fend for everything all your resources on section everything and you. You need to be able to judge at face value. You need to make quick decisions. Are you talking about? What are we dealing with? Wild animals wild animals You know like people so much more. Yes but we've still got these these lizard brains. Oh Yeah I wear and I don't think that we truly understand. You know all kind of archaic impulses and they are sometimes i. I don't feel like I know anybody even people that I think I know even the people I should know. Isn't that great love? It is great and it. It means you have to keep exploring you can never see right. But you're probably gonNA find something in there it's disappointing and aggravate. Yes yeah that moment where I go you. One of those people yeah damage. So that's my theory about falling in love. Which is you know that love first light thing. Is that you project like. Obviously it's going to be a physical. You know that you eat. There's a chemistry that goes and then you project everything that you hope you're persinger couldn't all everything that didn't come together for you as a child. Everything's there needs the that everything's got resolved pitcher first. Few moments is wicked and then as time goes on your the checklist either it matches up to what you hoped. Or maybe like fifty fifty is pretty cool. I guess I guess you have to compromise so you have to grow. You have to take the hit. You do so much learning so much less than I mean. How many times have you experienced been married awhile? Right twenty one years long time. Yeah happen once in the box. Just takes him. Oh Wow to twenty one years of ticking boxes okay. Even ticks the book. In retrospect even the boxes that I fucking would've kicked him out I realize where the most important books wall or that you dealt with that. Yeah the most important boxes of all the things. I feared most the things that I desperately didn't want And through no fault of his own necessarily but in growing past those things through your able they presented themselves and you were able to work through them. Yeah not not resist not resist. Yeah because he's a really really good person that's good are you. I think I think I am. I think so I I love. I love lot good I do. I know I'm kind. Yeah Yeah I do. I know I'm different and I went sister important isn't it? Yeah but I I try to do the right thing you know. I'm cranky about doing the right thing to do it. L. Really No. I mean like a lot of times honest. I don't think that I- emotionally. I'm I'm as open or as unafraid as I should be in personal relationship but I- over I tried to compensate by knowing I need to do good things right. Yes okay and then there and then when it happens when I'm open and stuff I it's happening. Let's enjoy it while it's happening now. It's going away hard. Isn't it It's really really hard. I think I I don't even think about it anymore as much as I just go like visit even necessary. I guess it is to trust. I don't I don't know what I don't always know what I want out of a thing. Yeah Nazis important. You can't no you. Can't you? Just go to rely on. You're in a relationship and something happened a spark and then you just go you go along and I know choice. You had no choice really is one of those where I if I don't do this an emmy bad a real. I'm going to regret it. Oh my God I was with somebody else. Okay and it was sort of like. That's at least. The decision was kind of made full youth heavy in some ways. You know what you're also a child you know like I have no children and There's no reason for me to be in anything I don't I'm not comfortable and so and life is this is it it. Is it like what you what you're going to stay in a situation. I necessarily is ultimately lying to the other person. I think. That's I I mean I'm yeah. Of course it's hard but it's the right thing to do. Where did your parents are? They married. I live there live and married so this they stuck in? You got good modeling on that. Yeah this so sweetman. It's like they've it gets to a point he and I feel I feel somewhat. I can see around the corner where you just accept shit man you have too many roll the key the key. You gotta put shelves can put the sword down on some level to and just just accept that. It's just not the way you thought it might be also be. It is okay. We were all worked up about. It doesn't fucking matter. Great picture doesn't matter. I would just try to live my life without being put in a camp of some kind if that's possible. Sorry I kill me thinking what would we do? What do we do what we do? We'd be like well so who's got some good camp jokes. Where where were you born? I was born in London on a very brief trip back to London. We were living in Zambia. My soul see now. I don't know that I've ever all you know may have talked to one. Other person from Zambia. For not from Zambia roots in the Yoyo had he says name your Yo although a yellow. Thank Christ yes David. A yellow seven. We made a movie together. He's lovely but worse. I can't remember we've talked about. Where his roots doesn't he come? Geria- suicide but he comes from royalty to does he. I think he does don't you I do I do. My mom was a princess. She is a Princess Philip Princess. She is yeah couldn't Zimbabwean African lineages. Now Your family get here so my mom is from Zimbabwe and she came. She went to London. Oh man sweet mama she. Her whole family whole town saved up because she was the youngest of like eight children. That was a real firecracker and everyone pitched in for a one way ticket to England when she was just her husband. He's Oh yeah yeah. They didn't wasn't a law and the king letter go. Dad was no longer live but let me explain about the the the royal lineages. It's not like one king for the whole of Zimbabwe for his. You know back in the day that will you know small villages and each village. Each town had a royal family clever. So it's like in a way it's it's now like the man Girl they would cooler kings and Queens but they was like Mama so she kinda she came to England to to train to be a nurse. She got her qualifications. Went STRAIGHT BACK. Because that's the point is noble shooting. Oh God and would the experience she had an England was was interesting as you can imagine just a lot of racism. None of But then went back to Zambia where she had a job in the hospital in my dad was there. He was a train. He was training in the laboratory. He'd been he was interested in music back in England. He's from a tiny town on the coast of England He'd never traveled anywhere other than London. Uh-huh and back in those days Africa was encouraging people from England America to calm and bring their skills so there was no red tape anywhere immigration kind of that kind of stuff so he was that and he. The reason he went to Africa is because he wanted to go to the roots of the blues came from because he loved Blues Real and he knew it wasn't America in you. Those syncopated beats were Africa. Were from that part of Africa. I think it was. Providence is probably West. He wanted to go to Africa. Because you wanted to go the route alive so he just got. The map is is put his finger Zombie and very was so. I am a fluke man. That's great old fleet to define the roots of the blues year old man. My mom had black. I fell in love with her. At the at the Party where she had this big Afro one dodgy and that was the end of it. Oh that's that's a sweet story. And then they both go back to England. Yeah you're supposed to go for a short while. But his dad was unwell so they ended up sticking around so he he comes from like. Where did you come crawling? Well okay? So he grew up there and you know that they came from completely different worlds cultures environments. So no wonder it's tricky of course is to be the child of these two rival. There is no place for them. It for me riper. Not WITH THEM. No not with them rights. Perfect sense with them. I mean Euro K with my God. Yeah I'm young. I'm really good with them right. But the judgment down. It was hard I can imagine fucking hard. My mom struggled hard to keep my brother and I protected from just the ignorance and cynicism people feel it when you were younger. I in retrospect. Yeah but I didn't have an explanation for why people didn't want to be my friend. I didn't have an explanation for why mommy mom could have explained it. But it wasn't. That's not what you did in those days always just felt as you got older that you just felt weird. I was just not tractive. I was even no matter how hard I tried. I wasn't a favourite ever. I was always passed over in school in school. Always in trouble. Oh my God for doing buckle and it was like what was Catholic nuns. You went to a Catholic non. It was the best. School is a town. That was the idea. Whose idea was that what it was the best school the best education and I remember. I remember this actually but I like I do. When it's been five years old and mom took me to the to the gates where Miss Wilmington who wasn't a nun the only non anyone a nun mess the gate and she said to my mom who very excited. Because we've never had one before so mom had to put my my hand in her hand and walk away and that you're the one that's the price she had to pay for my education but for mom that was my mom had to leave home at five years old going. Get An shares. Your interests at heart. Oh an out a doubt but did not quite fathom the hardships you might have encounter but you know she. She had managed so I guess every day you know wearing a uniform and being the only black kid in the whole school she cheap raided my hat in this pretty style for the school photo and I was sent home more. You know because it was to get like it was inappropriate. I felt so ashamed. He added the added. Thing is is that I felt so embarrassed for her. I almost didn't want to be the thing that goes home and goes you did wrong. Mum Right it's our fault. I felt so awful like it. It was just just con. Is that constantly that so complicated because `regnum so your your mom wasn't really explaining things to you know no because she didn't take the high ground she because we were the imposters in a way she and she felt that way too so I can't say that I mean I can't speak for her but at that time because there were so few people of color she couldn't stand up and go. Hey all of you. You've got it wrong. We deserve to be here like it was still like we had to prove ourselves worthy of being there in a way wrote you know so. I was a good girl but I couldn't help myself. I was also very naughty. I just was spirited and just use to like making people laugh nonstop. I say my kids and glorious me it was like the worst thing on top of being the other and the only one. You're you're causing shit causing shit. Just you know just funny and bright to people like you. I think the ones that did with the rebels the ones who didn't mind other people going you're friends with her. You know yeah there was so many fucked up things but my God. I feel like I've been kind of you know. The Blacksmith really worked on my on on my soul. You know bashed it bashed it. Put it in the flames bashed again and I am sharp. Now right I am fucking what was what. K- Matt you at that point. I mean like you know was violent. Was it hostile? I mean like was it just sort of kids Kids Shit. I guess the most significant one. I was twelve thirteen and I if we become friends with this with a girl who was the most popular girl in school. But this point by the way I've gone to a boarding school because I was I was really move instinctual. Yeah the best overground the school. But I'll tell you why because so. I was really talented dancing. Which was great because I could really let rip then. No one's to tell me off so I went to this school from the age of like three years old and I just I was doing really good and almost to sort of get rid of me. She's like I think that she should she? Should she should addition for for a proper dancing school so that was up up in London which was hours away from where we were and I got to scholarships together but there I was going to the big city big city so I got there and of course no friends and you'd like it but I yeah we'll eurisys he's frick You'll have to if you don't mind me earlier. Eighteen possible T to eighty three. Because you have to have money to go. To the school to scholarships I had to grants to go Anyway and there was a girl. Who's the most popular on? The schools is in the first time that I was there Hadad was Roger Whittaker member Roger Whittaker. I'd like to the whistling guy. Speed Bonnie Blue Bird on winner. Big Easter is a Kenyan white Kenyan huge in the seventies and eighties huge in Canada and Germany. Okay Okay but just got all the mansion in the countryside everything and and over one hall school holiday. All the girls in our year decided to send Jessica to Coventry. Which is where you don't talk to her. It would mean girls are brutal man okay. I'm because I wasn't part of the no-one taught me really weren't the click. No I was on the outside and I remember hearing about this. They were going to do this to her when she called to school. Because she's coming back a couple of days late are because she was too big for her boots. She was just gorgeous. Fabulous everything right collectively. They decided to bring down so she came back to the score members. She walked across the room and all the girls just turned away and she just sashayed out. I swear to God she sashayed out and just said well give a fuck anyway. But I found her later crying in the toilet of course in the in the theater and she'd never even looked at me. See me didn't just barely noticed me and I just said to her. Look these people crap. Don't worry about it. And so from being the one that she would never have spoken to. She and I became the best friends in the sisters held. And then on. Oh she is my sister today. Yeah and I was the most unpopular she was the most popular. And because we were both ostracize we came together and it is alchemy magic. It's is it stayed. Yeah it could be. One of those stories were once. The other girls started liking regained FIA. What's your name again? She because she loved me and they were full of Shit And so she had this big party. This is back to the thirteen year. Old She has. That had this big party and Jessica was also very very popular with the boys. 'cause she was gorgeous she kind of looked older than she was share and so she had. I was going to have this huge machi party in. Today's hey we're whistling guy. Yeah to mark fifty years of his life in twenty five years in the business and I was going to go. I got to go. I was GONNA go. And they were going to be like five boys and five girls that were to go to this Adult Party. And so she hooked me up with her boyfriend's bess. May in this other boarding school and wrote to each other men. This boy for maybe a month or two and I was a good little writer because I smoke and I imagined how I could be confident but even though I wasn't mine So he turned up at this party. We'd never met and he didn't talk to me. And we had this wonderful exchange letters. It was on man he didn't and then that was during the day and then there were another couple of light little tease and going to play tennis. And you wouldn't look at me. Wouldn't talk me and I just gave up anthem okay. Well he doesn't like me. Although I will say that I got so fucking drunk. I was so upset by the end of the night. 'cause all the girls had had hooked up with. Moore's including the one boy that hadn't hooked up hooked up with one of the girls he'd already hooked up with someone else with me so I was it was. It was the worst time it was the worst. It could ever happen and ice food because I just was not tractive. Because I'd been unattractive through my life right right so months later many years later Jessica was too ashamed to tell me that she had found him at the party. And said why are you doing you and Tandy? You didn't tell me she was black. And what was great. Mark was as soon as she told me that I was like. Oh He's a Dick. Yes opposers something wrong with me? Yeah right yeah so that kind of that. It's it's been an issue. It was an issue all through my child to just not knowing why and having to make the end the assumption was always his racism. Wasn't it wasn't clear to me. They haven't been explained to me at odd. Do did you. How did I didn't know what it was? I honestly didn't know it wasn't but it is sort of like at the in the hands of your parents right on some level. Maybe they thought it was obvious. My Mom's black. I'm looking at her. That she is but I just see. She's my mom she's beautiful. I don't look at her and think she's black. I literally didn't. She didn't look any different to anyone else to me. Guess maybe it's better to if figured it out retroactively. I think so to talk because I've heard they're a black people. I've talked to that. Sense of constant awareness otherness. Because of that was not the first place he went. If I'm unlikable yes but if you're I guess it's there's a part of me that never grew. I think it was a result of that. Is that the right because you were sort of living in a ally to a degree I just I I never wanted. I don't think I ever truly I was never there. I was always. I didn't have a sense of myself at it was just can I? Am I allowed to be in this room now or I didn't? I didn't I didn't know who I was. I was just like I was. I was nothing having A white father complicate things in the sense that maybe you didn't see yourself completely as a as an identity wise now. He validated me as part the community right. It's my dad okay. So if people don't like me because I'm unlikable but it sounds like what you're saying. Is that your identity wasn't tied into black so outside of that sure you were. Because I didn't have many friends. So what changed? Well I suppose what I was always doing was feeding my mind with literature and read a book and unless it's specifically spelled out like this person is black leather but so I was learning about the inner workings of all of us through novels and But I I and then I then I became an actress and I was more comfortable in the roles. I was playing. I felt free. I felt relaxed. Roy when you're reading and stuff which stuff really kind of wake put things in perspective for perspective the most sweeping dramas Madame Bovril. Or you're just I guess. English literature sweeping romance. My favorite book was mill on the FLOSS. George Eliot actually stories of women who who aren't understood and and who and who just fight for sensitive value and worth in themselves already I think I I really felt Kim. Shishir that stuff so you. When he went to the dance school how does he stay there? Eighteen see with a couple of years now. Is that from twelve to eighteen. So okay so that was. That's yeah yeah when I got my educate my full education then. I went to university in right after apology and that was the last. What ten things? So you decided dance was not your future. I haven't injury that I couldn't do it anymore. No Shit when I was sixteen and I thought I am. I GONNA DO I. Danzig was everything. I also felt really good when I was doing. Because everything all the other shit disappeared. And then this audition for a movie came along because our school was well known you could either like study drama. You can study musing study. An even. I wasn't a drama student. I was the only black girl in the school again so they were like well. They want an African looking girl. Said just go along for the day. Work Day Black Girl Lucky Day. Yeah kind of your big day day. Go and pretend to be a drama student. And because I I guess I probably felt a bit like you do as an actor. It's like am I really an actor had not prepared for no and I didn't care and I think it was that like because it didn't matter verify if I got it or not but the good thing already happened which I had. I had a free trip to London. Let's go to a fancy hotel to meet this. This director ochre and I took a little bit of direction and he said because I did really badly because I didn't know what acting was. I seemed you have to just was for a movie. Yeah as for movie and I assumed you had to sort of speak like this and he was just flabbergasted by Shitty was and then he gave me a bit of direction which is basically. Just convinced me everything you're saying is occurring too just in this moment and I said Oh you want me to lie and he went away for a few minutes let me prepare came back and it was a whole new deal because my God I could lie well because I kind of had T- at had to for a long time for why are you feeling because in this situation totally yes not at all right also on your troublemaker. You've gotta I yeah. I didn't do it so that was that that was the sort of what it is. It's why I said that once you four words like if you've ever had to lie to save your ass and you pulled it off your prion. Okay actor I think yeah definitely in fact if you had to get away with Shit. He's also it's like you're winning the game. You know if you can convince someone something fun. It's a game. It's tha just like being a kid. Why don't I understand? Some people get off on that and there are people that do. I've always been impressed with people that do broader characters are really immersing cells and characters disorder. Fuck with people. I've never had the sort of heart for that. I can't do that. I don't like doing it. People know well. I guess you've come at it evenly. Been acting a decade. You know I really love that I love it. I played Condoleeza Rice once I saw that in. W So did you get the part. Oh yes I did. It was a movie called flirting is in Australia with. I remember that movie. That was a big movie Nicole Kidman. That was her big movie too and she was accused. Nicole Kidman was a big star. Already was. She's a big star in Australia. I and Naomi Watts but yeah it was big do. That's a big deal is a big deal but it could have been just a an episode of a TV show. I was thrilled to be there. So excited apology Kerman. I went to Cambridge to study on the podium after I finished that movie. Oh 'cause I've got African mother okay. For her education. Education will save you from certain death right. Got To go and so there. I made this film which was a big sidestep from the dancing which my parents had Brazil right. I mean it was good it good but in the meantime I still I wasn't going to I wasn't gonNA. I wanted to be a dancer that wasn't going to happen because of my injury so I just just while I was trying to figure out what I was going to do next. I went back to school. Got My age levels and then Applied Cambridge and I got in big deal Cambridge. It's a big. It is a big deal so it should be it really really impressive. Mike on to study anthropology which I is a for four years. You three I still study it. So why did you choose that because I knew that I wanted to be an actor? I really that was the reason I knew not not because of anthropology. I knew I wanted to be a new what I wanted to do so I wasn't studying something in order to be some doctor interested in what can I do? That's just just going to expand my mind and it sounded really cool. So was aware that I was pretty disconnected from African heritage and of course with anthropology. Africa is a huge part of what we study. Everything come from. There doesn't do it. Might've hundred eve and it just seemed like a really nice way to spend three years while. I was figuring out while I was just getting old enough to be your case in one thousand nine when I went to uni I was eighteen. Yes so you had you need your mind to be blown. It was blood. Okay so listen to the I go into for. I go from meeting for Cambridge and I. She asked me the question. How do you determine race? What would be the factor that you would listen the interviews in my interview and I thought for a second. I said skin color. And she said So that's by biology then Yeah and she said well. That's that's interesting because there is more biological difference between a black Kenyon and a black Ugandan then there is between a black Kenyan and a pale skinned wight Swiss person because people have been in Africa for so much longer. The gene pool has has been changing for so long that there's actually more variation between people with blacks with dark skin than there is between adults component of Palestine person so in terms of biology race is a complete made up illusion in terms of black white. Being you all less different from each other if you are white and black than if you're both black. Wow so this day one. That's the interview interview. My mind was like yeah it was blown and because it was so blown and I'm sitting there and I'm a in quotes black person. She's like you need to come here and we need to learn some stuff and take it out into the world and yeah it gave me an. It gave me a sense of place which is everywhere and an ease and calm. I felt so I I just all the it's like it takes you from being on the ground surrounded by the shit a bird's eye view where you can just see the patents everywhere of why we do what we do and you look over history and when no history with. Poggioli took in like three hundred thousand years. Sure and you just see these patents that that people teams fall into then. I saw you get a world view that you can integrate into your personality kind of I. I accept things way quicker. Yeah as soon as I loy context that works. You know so you know you. Can you do right for yourself and right for others you know but also see the the expanse of it yes. It's amazing you know like I didn't belong anywhere to I. Literally belong every world every and all of us are. Yeah you know that's that's a magical magical and then there. I was as an actress playing people from all over the world. That's all changed. Because there's a lot of specificity now people want to like if you if you if a movie with the lead is trans. You gotta be trying. If there's a movie where the person's Brazilian you've got to be resilient accents. People want to see themselves on screen screen important right right that there's like if you're not represented then there's nothing to reflect for you and potent. It's like you're not relevant right. And so you're you're trying to adjust and adapt and become something that you're not because you don't know the other way or how a person like you exist in the world dig it. Yeah yeah I guess I played someone sees themselves on the news in the background of reporter and they show all their friends for weeks that because they feel that that validated. Yeah I guess that's like one. Yeah that's a I can see that right. That's an exciting thing on. Tv Yeah that's me on TV like you got to watch. I was on the news but to see somebody. He's like you with the cultural background or has the same sort of. Don't WanNa see yourself being played by someone who isn't here but who gets to be because then more important than you right and also you'd like to see you know you represent period. I mean yes like being played is one thing yeah there. There was a long time where they there was no representation at all. No one was playing anybody know it was just one type of person to get up that. I think that like not long ago. That did I really put that together. Because Gena Davis movie and the movie that she helped produce about the directors in Hollywood and about you know she did. She's part of this documentary. Where she just realized that you know. Little girls aren't the only represented in very specific ways when they're younger so have they gonNA show. I'll show after. So how did they GONNA model themselves? What are they GONNA themselves after? How can they have any hopes to be anything? Other than this small myopic these very few choices about modeling themselves when men and little boys have the whole world and girls are. I can't be a ballerina or you know and I and I say true takes into consideration. Yeah the power of the medium of entertainment to north and how much dictates our lives and it's like when he really kind of like not unlike that moment you had when you got anthropology in your head. There's that moment you realize go. My God is a travesty. Yes gone through my whole life. You Know Journey. We need to this visit. Have your mind blown important things to learn right now specifically because we're up against some real Fascistic Shit on a global which relies on ignorance sure and and and promotes ignorance and promotes misinformation. But yeah it's a global trend you know and you know whatever progress we've made as humans you you know it's not it's it's tentative in the face of that might of ignorance you know. Yeah so there's a real fight to be fought like even with the stuff of around being woken around women like he talked events. Were I know who's a dear friend of mine via wherever I'm on the Board vide with eve? I'm actually? That was another. My mind was blown because I met Eve when I was twenty one. Oh Wow and I saw her perform she was on a world tour of the vagina monologues and she was performing at this pub in is Lincoln in London and I went along a friend of mine said Cambridge finished. Okay so you just finished in and you were like going to go back to acting. I was delighting. Yeah that's how I was told Eve. Is that my view actor? Cambridge's well all the way through I was always on the motorway going up to London to get on a plane to go make made five movies. When I was at Cambridge was nuts. Kerr nutty okay. So I'm eve and my life was turned around. Yeah yeah she well first of all just hearing her onstage the experiences of of women that she'd obviously met and interviewed and just the Tabu nature of everything that she was saying and and how that was opening up to feeling that they weren't the only ones who didn't who are ashamed of their bodies who'd been sexually abused and I to her afterwards within minutes I was talking about my own sexual abuse and she was smiling at me and proud of me and I didn't feel ashamed and she took shame away from my experience just by encountering me for listening empathetic listening to me and saying rather than making me feel like a victim I was a survivor and I was radiant in that in that and also so very not alone so very not and so she and I became friends and I start and because I was an actress at that point I was already I was twenty one I was had been in a few movies on the you did. You did Like Jefferson Perez interview with the Vampire. When you're Cambridge. Yes no kidding. Yeah point you. The Jefferson in Paris. Sally hemmings characters is like a business and you know at that time there was no DNA to support the fat. The truth of that. That happened after the movie. You know so. We were speculating But I mean to to to go to the House of Thomas Jefferson and be served. You'll lunch by young men who looked exactly like Thomas Jefferson. Who is Sally Hemmings? Children like what it's it's mind blowing. Yeah it was. America has come a long way. Yeah it's come to too long to go back. It's come a long long way sparring really so yeah when I spoke to Eve you. There is a definitely a period. That engagement with her and I was I. I was sort of a of her to begin with but that Book Policies Mike God. It's a revelation. Moore's a whole new way of thinking a whole new way of claiming you'll freedom. It was something else right and I just read it on a whim because I get a lot of stuff sentimentally me and I'm like I mean you. I'm so glad you guys spoke because you you encountered us so beautifully you're so open but you allowed the book to really challenge you And and obviously that is of course because eve is so ready to accept a new way of thinking. She's so open you know she's great. I just I used to see her around New York. I've always really was A. There's certain people in your life that you don't know when it's going to happen or how but you you need to. You need to be with them for a minute or two to and you had such a great conversation. She's I was emailing her just this morning I love. She's extraordinary and we do a lot of great work together. She does great work. I do day so I'm on the board of the day and Congress heavy man it is that my God to go there and see what with so little these people. These women are achieving in their lives. And they they've come back from the dead in psychologically and emotionally. They were destroyed by the the violence. The sexual violence that they've experienced an it's sort of rape as a weapon of war and to have the realization eve went to Congo and the vagina. Monologues locks did completely dictated. Eve's life it that that's why she's just followed where she recall is and she found. She didn't even WanNa go to Congo because she knew it was going to. Just take over and be an. It's the epicenter of the worst that can happen to a woman is the worst place in the world to be a woman. I've heard I've read once. Yeah she asked so. She sweats you when an amazing gynecologist call Dr McCoy who won the Nobel Prize. Two years ago Who He physically heels women. There are two hospitals in the whole of Congo. Where if you can get there. They will they will surgically try and put back together. Most women don't survives but like this is like the Panzi hospital ongoing this assault. Oh love in terms of in its I. What is the social structure around it? Well within Congo Congress huge and his obviously neighb- many neighboring countries. No not when I thing and neighboring countries which are going through their own conflicts and Congress not like the board is on well police here the militias go in from other places congas very rich with resources so very quickly. They can gain enough Money to then buy more weapons and leave but the way they get. The money is by mining for minerals. And you go to an area. And there's no roads so can be hidden in forests and different militia at any one time as you know twenty militia different militias fighting different within Congo rearming. To GET OUT THEY. They use the the local people to mine. But in order to do that you have to prove is come slave labor and the waiter to control an environment is to abuse the women and have the men unable to help the women and half the children witness all of that happening and then those male children are taken away and told that what's happened to their family their mothers and sisters raped and their fathers Merdid. The people that did this. We're going to get them. And then they're trained up to be boy soldiers and this is systematic and it works. And it's free no you don't you can destroy an entire community and you don't even need any we don't need finances to do it you just so when eve went to. Congre MECH DR mcquay Guy. Who has you know surgically managed to heal many many many women? She said what do we do? What can I help? How can I help? And he said well women. I can physically here women. But it's their minds and their hearts and their spirits that I can't so that's why she developed with women in Congo with veivers from Panzi. She said what are we going to do? It's called Pansy Panzi. Hospital is Baltimore. Reggae works and So they said we need a safe space we can be together and not feel ashamed and get strong enough so we can go back to our communities who have rejected US and and and be proud and bent survive so within. It's called the city of joy named by the women themselves. That's what they wanted it to be called and it teaches them myself defense how to use a computer how to have a bank account Group therapy all the things that are going to give you the mental and emotional confidence to be a leader. And we've had now six years of graduates because you can be there for six months and you have to have leadership potential to go there. That's the other thing. But within six months these women have left this documentary battle net flix called City of joy which charts the the growth of the of wealth about Dr mcquaid. Gay His meeting with Eve. And it's charts the nine years To the city of joy and it's flourishing. It's amazing and it is. We Need Congo. All forty percent of minerals that are used in electron excludes come from there. And that's what these different militia a using as you know. T T cell to get money for their arms so it is a system which has been in place for over fifteen years and it's not known by most people so that's where. I go on my time off you do. Yeah get to get to the city of Joy. Hang out with my friends just to sit down and say to a woman who has been devastated by sexual violence to say. I was sexually abused to. They can't believe it. You sexually abused but you'll from over there. My power is the you know the the corruption of and power is the same everywhere and just to for them to feel like this someone from over there. Sure this yeah. Ms GonNa maybe torn help. But what I get back to is what happened to me. Mop is nothing. I didn't give a shit. It helped me be here now and I would not have eve. I would not have helped these women that I know Jane Anne or Christine and an oaten. All of them should write. It changed the way. Si- yourself in the world purpose which is so much bigger than than anything could have ever imagined because of trauma because of my trauma what happened. I was and the reason I pose is because you know it's prehistory I didn't give a fuck about that person Oh the fuck about them. I I was I was a virgin and I was. I was statutory rape the director that I was working with well. I had hired me when I was sixteen and I not the guy that directed forty. Yes but and it was. It was a bleak time those ten years I was robbed of a lot but again in in talking about even when you were younger around being different. How long did it take you to frame it properly? Oh my goodness I mean like wh what was I was the perfect victim love. I was so I so such low self esteem. I had no sense of self I it was all about. I absolutely bow down to authority completely because it gave me permission to just be and also you want it to be part of this thing. Yeah I mean also it was a movie that's like fantasy land. So was it a negotiation. Would you mean? Did he ask you to do something to be in the movie? No I was happily during the movie. My Dad was in Australia. And my dad was with me. Bless his heart as my a chaperon. My DIKO super bored because I was having a nice time sixteen like wow. This is amazing and after month my dad just thought I was having a great time as a teenager and he said look. I'm going to head back home. You clearly okay. And he actually got the. The director promised that to my dad. I found out later that he would take care of me and he said all. I'll look off the town deal. Take her out for dinner. The night you leave. Make her feel and that was. That was the night really. Yeah faulk man. Yeah pretty pretty rough and went on for a long time passed the shooting of the movie because it was it was a mind control too because I'd never had sex and the mind fucker I I it was like. This is what it is right now. and even if. I thought uncomfortable which I really did and afraid which I really did. I thought that's what you did feel when I thought that's what was be afraid and uncomfortable. Boone no fucking talks about it so okay this is what it is and it was when I was as time went on I was feeling more and more I it was clearly not pleasure and I And the fact that it was secret too I was asked to keep it a secret real for the whole time. Yeah not suddenly and then I started I was very unwell. I was I had a terrible eating disorder. I had a lot of shame and I didn't really understand why I just knew I was killing myself was something and I left that situation like. I said that this has to stop because I just I was having really bad. Physical like symptoms after Around the food and so yeah but just like the feeling of my it was just. I wanted my body to disappear. I just felt gross But I but I couldn't blame. That person had to blame myself for that feeling. It's like I didn't even know why was doing anything. We're just like instruction do it. Instruction it and I came from. It was a movie. I was in a fucking school uniform in that movie. I paid a schoolgirl. It's like you do what your teacher tells you. I'm an icon but also you had the the it was sort of from your when you were younger to you. Had this kind of I who am I think most powerful figure and I was getting the attention here. That's a law. I had powerful figures. That would just fucking couldn't wait to get of me up and as a child I was black. Pay Near US but you eating disordered definitely manifested from the. Oh my God. Yeah I mean physically the shame the disappointing to just like literally disappear and get my just get to vomit out a the feeling the shame and this is when I went to a therapist. Actually cool my my. My girlfriend told you about when? Isaiah Chapter Jessica into one night and I thought it was going to die. My heart was being so hard in my chest and I was so thin and I was so scared and I called. I said I'm frightened. And this is what's been happening and so I went to a therapist for the first time and within minutes. This therapist pissed had connected my shame an easing to being sexually abused. And I just didn't have the knowledge and of course the following day stopped hurting myself physically really the following day. Because you you you very open to having your mind blown and it did it did. And you're like it was just an explanation is an explanation so yeah and then then you know. Got My life back over over time. It damaged my family. He horribly this this whole experience because my dad left he felt respond. Oh Shit and my mom hadn't been there and the reason why I'm been those because she thought normal take us seriously because there's a lot of internalized racism my mother. You didn't grow up in a colonial in clearly in Africa. You know without thinking that you really are nothing. Even if you're a princess all well because they just colonialists disbanded all the royal lineages. Stop people from being able to even mention them when no longer acquaint you no longer princess they do the same things. Congolese fisted mentally. Yes exactly exactly thorny thorny also what this guy did to you on some level and you know what else mark why I've also realized more recently is an was. I was reminded by when I was watching the all Kelly The documentary about the girls. They kept repeatedly saying willowy black girls. No one's going to listen to US ANYWAY. And there was an element of that in in this in that no one was gonNA listen to me. I was the perfect victim. Like not only am I a little girl black. And like it's the kind of hyper sexualised objectification of the black girl. But also it's the and I can. Do I want to you? And no one's going to ever know about it because no one's GonNa listen to you anyway and how times have changed right and boy did now. You're but this happened long before what's going on now. Oh yeah but I talked about a lot early on. Oh yeah well. As soon as I went to therapy I came out like this cannot happen to another little girl I was probably yes and I I would and I see happening everywhere and it was also happening to me not as badly but because I would as soon as I go with funky I had like costing couch bullshit and I would cool it out and other actresses would unfortunately I was ostracized. Not only by the people. Preying on young women. Obviously not someone who is GonNa Rollover but also people who just kind of like went along with things just because that's how you get ahead so don't rock the boat so they also suit of not be associated with me too. I had a publicist very. Well known publicist to who represented him at the time. Who called me up one dance at ten? You GotTa stop talking about this stuff because it's just not good for your reputation systemic well because he wasn't good for my reputation really wasn't to be the one going. This industry is disgusting. This is what happened. This happened to me so look out people. You're ahead of it. Yeah and so do you do. Do you feel that it did have a direct impact on what your career could have been? Yeah for sure I remember not wanting to move because the director said to me the first shot is going to be this tight closeup. GonNa look like a deep blue road right. We like the the yellow stripes going down the road. You Know Mitt and we're going to pull back and realize that it's the it's the denim of your of your jeans and the stitching so tight on your and it was a massive movie and I'm like no and literally that movie would have turned me into a majors star. I remember it as I can. Collage can't can't work with that. That's horrible and it was. It was not with any kind of like pride it was it was just fear like I just can't in also you're the realization that you reclaimed yourself. So why would you give that up? I couldn't like it was literally. Couldn't it would be like vomiting again right right kinder- Conrad Women with 'cause I knew it was life death Lifetime really well to be back in an environment reckon the shame to be back in the shame. Life death life or death in. When did you turn a corner around? You've being grounded in in your career. You know my career was always like I. What would happen then of course is the? I would find myself working with people who weren't like that mark so even though I'm an MRI. And even though I may not have been earning as much as I could have been working on. Kinda cool stuff which didn't like make me rocket to that place which unfortunate and I felt terrible about that by the way that I said. Notre Project would have quite my manager. My agent with both shouting at me saying one one movie. Wh WHY CAN'T WHY can well? 'cause I just say anything bad about that Guy? Really? Isn't anyone people. People worked hard on it and it wasn't a big movie. Yeah and yes so. I've I chipped away but I I actually think that in in the long run it's better to just cruise along good stuff than to have the highs because you can crash so far and also I could have become a monster. Yes right I will. I would've I couldn't. I could have become a stupid self absorbed Unimpeded Thick Morrison. It just seems like you know whatever. The trajectory of your life has been that sort of you met the right man. You got a beautiful family. You work all the time. You don't have the pressure of being some sort of strange movie star which is not great. I get to have a real life. Yeah and I get to help people that I really well. Everybody's deserving of help and get to do that with quite a few people in in a real in an honest way not as just like an accessory or or just sort of like. I've got to do something to to make myself feel better. None none of that. It saved my life saved my life. That's beautiful fan. I've got these two daughters. Who are they are so they don't even realize it because it's just been this invisible nurturing and invisible information over nine thousand nine hundred and fifteen? So how did you deal with the some of the conversations that you would have liked to have had with your parents? That didn't happen with them. I had the conversation I talk about. I talk about what happened. They've seen me give talks. They've seen they've not right interviews but I'm very open about it. I'm not ashamed of what happened. Because it's not my shame on all of your child experience and the sexual. Oh yeah right absolutely and talk. I did it so a Ted talk about sexual abuse but about I guess being on the other side of racial Hatred and they. My thoughts of my fifteen year old is an actress. Now I mean so not what I kind of. Yeah it wasn't like I didn't create any opportunities for quite the opposite but it's happened to see her onset see her in a photo sheet to see her be so gracious and yet have absolute. Self Awareness. And you know it's not like she's afraid because mummies like talked about these monsters. That are out there because I've actually humanized the people that have done what they've done you know because nothing human the quill and also because trauma begets begets drummer. And she interrupt that cycle. You know and the girls are. There is a wide open That kind but they are. They question authority at every turn. That's a big one for me is is to. You know to make sure that you have given permission for that authority and to be in place. And You provided them the ability to develop a sense of self fell utterly. That's good yeah I'm proud. Broken the the pattern. Yeah and I thank my mother for that too because she did the absolute best. Oh she did so great. She's the best that she could and I and my dad too but I think it's very interesting that kind of because even like from what I understand about the character that you do now even even in Westworld that you have a robot who is realizing her situation in pushes back against her programs in my story and your mother story by that first season was everything. I had no idea that I was so well equipped to play that experience. It was like the perfect metaphor for I mean look. It could be the perfect metaphor for a lot of people. Not just women were you know but inhabit that. It's like it gave me pleat closure off no kidding so the experience of yourself because it was a beginning a middle in and she went from creating the trauma you know. She was the Madam of the Saloon. Getting these girls to be raped and you know gross and then to have the awareness and then to educate herself in order to break free not just from the park but to free herself from her ideas about herself in and others in morality and so on and then to say no and to then second season is I would rather die. Which is that crash moment to movie. I will dry and crash I would yeah I would rather die than have you dominate me in any way even to save my life. I guess I guess the question like in terms of talking about humanizing monsters. Yes is yes you know. Is that moment where he 'cause it can be viewed as as him not changing it all again being in a position of power or you know as a policeman doing his the duty of helping somebody in this particular situation even though he violated you in another situation like it's a complicated business it is and I think ultimately the store what the story is saying is trying to portray is that even somebody does something awful awful can be redeemable if they truly understand the nature of what they've done. Which is Eve's book the apology right? But that guy never really did know she died right. She had to create that guy from our own heart. The fucking. That book is insane. It's insane is insane. What we can we can. We can heal ourselves. We don't we don't have to hurt the person that's hurt us through you don't have to. We don't have to continue the pattern. No we don't and that's that's really incredibly sophisticated and so we have these brains we. We're not we're not simple mammals you know all right. We're not keyser do we. Can we can love them as we do. And so it's on us to to go to go further with making things better. Thank you for talking to me. It's been amazing cooking to you. You're finished or good all right so now when I turn the Mike off you're gonNa tell me the name of the movie okay and I'm so glad you can thank. You can glad I came to a candy. New Fin the love weeds. Charming Smart Engaged Tandy Newton. The new season of Westworld is on. Hbo Sunday Nights on Hbo Streaming Platforms. My Special End Times. Fun is is on Netflix. Globally streaming around the world. Okay all right. I will now play my dirty old guitar. My nine thousand nine hundred sixty Les Paul Junior through a one thousand nine hundred fifty three fender deluxe amp through Amex are echo plex which is a updated version of the original. That doesn't use analog this meditation almost spacemen three type Meditations in two courts our lives.

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Prequel to Episode 235

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Prequel to Episode 235

"Lichens beware Molson Drinkers Unite and star wars order. Decided all this and more on. Today's how did this get made a mini episode group? The food him hello people murder and a welcome to A. How did this get made? Many episode is me Tall John Sheer and people. We got so much stuff to get to in this episode. First of all we are going to eventually tell you what we're watching next week but more importantly I think you are going to tell us what we got wrong in last week's episode which was of course prelude to a kiss with Andy Greenwald and Chris Ryan from the watch and I gotTa tell you a lot of fans of Molson beer out there. People had many people sending me screengrabs of them holding an ice cold. Most and so many apologies That was Dwayne and the rock-hard Johnson's with our theme song and Before we get started. Want to remind you that we're doing big show here in Los Angeles at the theater in. May If you WANNA come out and see us live. This may be your best chance to do it because we're not gonNA change a date. It's Saturday may ninth at the theater. One show it's going to be a good one. Tickets are still available Not many but some all right now with that being said I wanNA talk to you because you've heard a lot from me but now I think it's fair for me to hear from you. I know you have problems by your life. Your love your job. Parenting whatever it is. I am here to help you people. I'm like Dr Phil but I have a beard instead of that mustache. Although I want to get that mustache back people may moustachioed faces up in Times Square right now in New York City for the Black Friday thing and it was daunting daunting theater. Mustaches so big no-no Tom selleck feels anyway. You asked me questions. I'll give you answers. It's time for the newly titled. Paul help line. Yes thank you Casey Campbell. Game I am Paul Scheer doctor. I'm not therapist nor do I often practice what I preach but I'm here to help and I'm not GonNa do it by myself. I am doing it with my producer and my sound engineer Coating Devon. Welcome Coding Devon. Hello Hi thank you cody all right when we got cody. Who got on the phone here today? David from Michigan David. Go ahead. Hey Paul My Name's David. I live in Michigan I recently. I've kind of noticed as being older I've found that when I go find when I go and see movies. I tend to get a little bit. More emotional used to Actually my fiance and I have this. Show that If there's take quote intense friendships I started cheering up and start to feel it and cry just a little bit And I'm starting to worry that you know maybe if I take the people to movies and this does happen to look over. And they say oh. Hey He's tearing up at the end of the pokemon movie You know maybe there's something wrong with them and I don't really know how to breach that and say there's nothing wrong with me. I just like a nice movie with a nice team of friendship now then So you know any insight that you can give me on whether or not I should feel bad about it. If it's something I should try to hide or you know or if it's from my friends that just get the fuck over let me know. Thanks David Hide your emotions away. Don't show at your week. If you show Moses I love what kind of friend would give you a hard time for crying. If you've ever been given our time for crying I would not accept it. I cry basically every movie and along similar lines. Today's vote in the Nice people being nice to each other when they don't have to just makes me just weep like almost instantly but also like that's the fun of some of these mood. I went to see little women. I was ugly crying pretty much. Seventy five percent of that film and I fucking loved it and I don't care if someone's sitting next to me at the Alamo going. Was this dude doing crying. I'm like the movies working for me. Go you know. I watched the movie. Don't watch me watch them Yay movies. I recently cries want to hear. But you don't wait okay. Going Cryan movies and movie theater but I did cry at the end of Joe. Rabbit like bawling too but there was a group of ten teenagers behind me and I was really embarrassed and that was a choir boys forever. I I think it's very thing movies are supposed to elicit emotions for me. I think that's good storytelling. I think the older you get. You do recognize what's important. Oh I mean yeah I also. I'll cry on a commercial. I mean I'm not. I'm not too proud to cry at anything. I'll cry it bad boys forever. Whatever I saw that movie I'll go worked up bucket. Emotional give Martin Lawrence of baby. I'm ready to go. He doesn't have a baby is kid has maybe but But no I don't know I think it's nice to have a release I think. Sometimes it's like we're all holding a lot of stuff in and it's like but now's a dad book and forget it. I'll see anything and cry. I will cry hard. I'm ready to go and juvenile now. June does make fun of me. I mean you crying because I do cry it embarrassing kidding of a single example and I feel bad about that but things that are not worthy of cry Google commercial made me cry went so angry. Yeah that's the one about the guy who's like having Alzheimer's yeah of course it does. That's a big fucking mental. Whether you're watching a man little relief. Forget his wife. Oh that was like fuck that fuck you and that river wrote that commercial needs threat of movie because you can elicit that much in that sternum period of time. No yeah crying commercial man. Oh boy that commercial got me. They good ones. They didn't even one for black history month that I felt like. Yeah God damn it. This is important. You know Google doing it up all right esther high call. This is Australia. And I'm a recent university graduates And I just got my first professional job so I'll be starting pretty soon and I'm just wondering if You have any advice for me And I guess any other people in my situation who might be listening regarding Entering the workforce And having grown up job for the first time Anyways thank you so much Have a great day by Sir. I live a magical life. I don't have real world problems. I'm not going to be the best person to answer this question for you because my first job out of college got paid twenty five dollars an hour to sit in the accounting department of our Nell brand consulting. I am terrible at math. I started off with the desk. I ended with a chair. I never did anything and when I was fired from that job and rightly so I put up such a stink that I got a severance package. So my real world job. Experience is not fully there. I have a lot of experience in In retail before that but I have not been the regular job force For for quite some time but devenue in the job force Absolutely in the in the adult job for us. Yeah doing Working in finance for like eight years seven years. It was exactly seven years because I used to make jokes about having broken a mirror. You know seven years bad luck I mean you know. It's look especially at the time in twenty eleven two thousand twelve and I got the job at a couple years after the economic downturn and I worked in coffee shops all that time so to get the adult job I was very pleased to have it so you know I made a lot of fun of it but it was. I was very pleased to have the medical insurance. And all that stuff because the nine to five I was absolutely nine to five and I got promoted like three or four times. I I did good at the job and reviews yet. Oh yeah got all. You have to do. The quarterly reviews. And you gotTa Make Your Action Plan for the year and you got to. Yeah it was. It was the whole nine yards title In the end I was an operations coach. And would what what does that mean wasn't operation. It's like middle management. I was I was in charge of a team of people and had like two bosses. Wow hard to leave no. It was extremely easy to leave for this job Because and that's what happened. I literally quit that job to come here and do this. Instead I will say the interpersonal relationships are key in any job but certainly in that kind of corporate environment where there's a ton of oversight that's like the thing to focus on don't piss people off be really nice to everybody Let people finish what they're saying before you start saying what you're GonNa say that these all seem like basic things but you know after a little while you learned that really does get you up to the next rung on the ladder. Because they're like this guy's easy to work with and he listens to me that and also be very curious. I found that to be very helpful to get in there and be like. How does this all work like? What is the structuring here? Who's WHO's in charge of what's accord. So that's what you do. I'd love to hear more about that sometime. Like showing that you're curious in how the whole structure works means people sort of assume well. This guy knows what's going on. We'll go ask him. And I became the go-to person for all sorts of technical stuff that I didn't know about a year before it. I just committed myself to learning it and you know rose up the ranks a little bit. I love that now. Cody I know you for a long time and you have also been in in in the entertainment based world but I also I mean I want to hear you have to say but I also know that you also have run. People like you are have been in charge of people who are having jobs for the first time and what do you think is a good takeaway for those like? What would you say From the boss point of view this is what I would say just generally like anybody and I give this advice to myself as like when you go into new place like lay low for a minute. Get the lay of the land. Take everything and don't come in hot. I know like I've done this ideas I got things to do. I got I changes. I WanNa make you got to get the lay. The land see how people are due at Devon's at ask questions because it makes it makes other people feel important too but also like it shows that you're engaged in you WANNA learn and that's the thing with workspaces or like writers rooms or anything else where it's like you come in hot like like you knew everything. It does upset certain people who have been there for a while so there's always the politics of that but also like every place runs different. Get the lay of the land. Ask questions and then go from there. Because sometimes it's always like what you walk into. We'll be a little unexpected and I think I love as a manager when people come in that are new and they. A lot of people like hot ideas. But it's like I like when people ask questions because it's more engaging also like makes me think if I've been in this job for a long time there might be a question. I'm not expecting that. Gets me thinking about things in the ways to improve so I think again? That's the most important is just like get the lay of the land and ask questions hundred percent and I will say one thing I can add. This is that I've interviewed plenty of people and the people that I always respond to. The most are people that have. I mean you already got the job but some sort of outside life interests like something that think sure job is a job and most people can do job. We're not like do not operating on people. Maybe you are but but you know I think to find that there's passion and other parts of your life. I think is always find so appealing like oh second human being because ultimately if it's a writer's room if it's an office if it's fact in television show you're surrounded by these people for twelve fourteen hours a day sometimes and you are also picking friends. I'm going to see this person more than most people in my life. Right and that is I remember like when I Talked to Mike sure who was at the time like doing parks and REC. It's it's it is like you are. You are interviewing. You're interviewing cellmates like you say that now I'm on him but it is. It's like yeah it's important it's like you. GotTa be cool. He's got to be cool. Yeah this is good and bad but I kind of if I'm interviewing people and like Iconic off fives to do I did. I have a good conversation with this person. And maybe it wasn't directly related to the interview we're talking about but just oh you know what I feel like. We'll have a good working relationship but it's like I think it's all different people but yeah it's like I'd rather be right. Just try to be yourself and yet Human Keno. You can like eventually solve a problem with this person and probably a good way because we already like each other. Yes weekend each other's vibes. It makes a big big all right. Final Call Cody. Who is it? The Joan Massachusetts has a Star Wars Question. Of what words? Hey Paul Joe from Massachusetts. I recently listened to the star. Wars a new hope unspoiled episode. And they got me wondering how I would introduce the analogy to my three year. Old Daughter now. An analogy is a nine part series. I googled it the debates. Always do you do it in the order release or chronological order? Also should I throw in any of the stand alone? I really like rogue one and think it's the second movie after empire and he helped me greatly appreciate it also go to sanity all right a real a real champion go team. Sandy. Amen All right so this is interesting. I've been talking about. This kid is five years old and we were just before we got on air talking about Star Wars And I want to hear your guys is opinion on this. I have mine so like first of all like let's go where we all feel. Where did you start your star? Wars experienced cody. Like where did you did you start at the correct order or no? You're not we're here's the thing about. I had not seen any star wars until I was like thirteen. Fourteen babysitting seen space. Balls Elliott start with e original three right. Yes that's how you got into. Yes the four five and six and then but that was also before the prequels came out. We're all of a certain age. I remember seeing going. My uncle being really excited for Phantom menace and then leaving the air-medical being really bummed out I can. I can see that like I him. Being a child of the seventy s being really excited when those US came out I mean I did so much stuff. Phantom menace I I went to go see meet Joe Black because before meet Joe Black. They had a trailer for the phantom menace and they played it before and after the movie so I sat through job lag. Meet Joe Black. The Brad Pitt. Movie by car and some great mean or gift. I should say and and that's how much I liked. It was psyched about it. And then I bought two tickets. Or Phantom menace the opening day some one took a break and then came back and took me about the third time before. I realized I was disappointed. Yeah it's it I'll say maybe three is very young. Yeah my best friend's son is eight. And she's been putting star wars and even Disney stuff in his brain for a while he now. I think if something had the eight years old brain really Clinton actually may be able to say seven. The he really got into it. But he's like really into darth vader but exactly he also has like rarely into the clone wars cartoon like he loves it. Yeah you got to find the way for the kids yeah. Comores cartoon is good. I also think rebels is really good. All right where's your w? Well so I was. I saw empire in quotes. I saw empire strikes back in the theater. One years old. I remember it but I did see return. The theater and I remember that very clearly I would have been like four. Maybe just turned five. I was all about it. I loved it as a kid. You know the the first three are fantastic. Sure I will say I have thought about this lot if I if I do. At some point children and And once in introduce them stars I would do it from the prequels onward. I would do it in story order just to see what happens because you know what it says. Episode One. Yeah right there on it. Start their kid moving. And that's the other thing those if you showed them one a year from the time they're like five or six or something like that like on your birthday. Let's do the next star war. Yes one they would grow up with the movies and by the time they hit return of the Jedi. They you know they would have a good vibe just saying the dividend so I my my son is five. Yeah and we introduced stars thinking about it for a while. How do I do it? I started with a four new hope But that was a good way to start. I was wrestling with your point of view too But I was like. I hope he likes it. So here's the shetty order the Michelle Tay Order that I understand it to be so. This is the way that I'm told that you should do it. But it wasn't right for my kid. Start with rogue one right. That's a little bit too old for my five year. Old for sure Go you go rogue one new hope empire then you would go get phantom menace and then you complete the Anikin Skywalker chillier so like Luke. I'm your father you go to Attack of the clones and revenge the cith interesting. Then you kind of create this Anikin Skywalker backstory. So you come your father. You understand how. He became darth vader. Then you finish the ARC on return the Jeddah right and then you go And then you go to The new one force awakens. And then you go to solo because Spoiler Hustler dies. So then you're going to see how he kinda started his own interesting world and then you continue with the next. That's the machete order which structurally is a sound way of doing it. It eliminates phantom menace from the equation. As not a movie that you watch. I would start with Sola just the movies battle for indoor. I hadn't seen stars but I remember seeing battle for my. I didn't realize it was star. Wars Open I was like amazing girl who looks like drew. Barrymore wasn't Drew Barrymore. But it looked like yes. I watched that when it was on TV. I remember it's like taking away. Disney plus get these out there. They're not out there crazy. They're not. They know Disney here. I think honestly it's like it's weird. It's like it's weird to force upon these movies that are like there's pardon me as I just wanted to start with. Force awakens big. Watches it kind of the same vibe and enjoy it but it's weird. Because he said no I got to give them the right thing. But it's also like it's a movie from the seventies in at the five year old kid when I was that young and I thought it was right because it was. That's everything else was like. You are going way backwards. It's like won't understand iron man. You have to see Superman one. It's like it's not you know it's not the same thing. I mean Superman. One is pretty good though. It is actually pretty good as I said. That was pretty good. Yes Sir but anyway. So that's that's what I would say I you know I think. Go out at your own way. But let the kid. My Child Loves Star Wars. And I think the only thing that I was able to do that I like is not raise some threat. I'm like we watched one. We'll watch next one later on and watching we can space it out a little bit. There's nine movies I don't you know even if do every six months it's something like earn content but it's interesting to see them. They respond to things and I think I got a five year old. A five year old is less discerning on a nineteen seventies movie. Then like an eight year old so I think you're gonNA get like he's still on adult. I'm watching some stuff. I don't necessarily understand and I kind of narrate it with him. I kind of walk them through it and make this. What's happening and that's a bad guy you know. He only wants to see CHEWBACCA fight. I mean Darth vader. And I'm like yeah. I can disagree with you. Tom Scharping tweeting to that. Should be the ultimate fighter. That's all right. That is all for the call. Thank you for your calls and remember you can call anytime at six one nine P. A. U. L. At six one nine. Paul ask hope we answered all of your questions there and by the way you've heard these amazing songs and if you want to contribute a song to the show you can just send it to get made at your. Wolf Dot Com. We Love Main theme songs we want winter themes so go at it. People were getting new ones in here but main theme songs and winter themes are really good for us Okay let's get into prelude to a kiss. A lot of things came up did not necessarily know about Some things came up that I forgot about. We'RE GONNA get into it all We'RE GONNA turn it over to as you give us some corrections and omissions correct rhythm fields of base right wrong. Safes some face to give to them your corrections all right. That was great. Brian be there. We go thank you for that. You know the one thing I want to talk about and this is not to bring it down to a A bummer right now. But one of the things that happened in the recording of this episode in the release of the episode was there as a a deadly shooting at the Molson's cores brewery and And I want to make sure that That we recognize that and anyone out there that was affected by that I WanNa make sure that you know how you can even donate to the families affected by this tragedy. You can go to give Song Dot Org. One hundred percent of the donations will go to the families affected by this tragedy And obviously it was just a a weird a coincidence that we happen to go on a diatribe about cores and Molson at the same time. But we're GONNA get into a lot of cores and Molson specifics. Because like I said you guys love cores and Molson guys really love Molson So many people use that text APP thing to show me them drinking a Molson so it's alive and well. I'm very happy about that. Let's go to the boards. Here Electra. Biglou rights conspiracy theory June refuses. Did you body switch movies? I mean our technical difficulties during the face off episode. Don't buy it. Wow you're right. So Judaism been here for the company. Won The face off one or this one electra. You are onto something here. No tinfoil hat for you. This is a straight up theory. Not even conspiracy theory. You're figuring it out you're breaking the code. What does June have has June switch bodies? She afraid to talk about it. Maybe she is in the body of another person. I don't even know him. I married to the right person. Oh my God all right going back to the board here and these are also the boards at your Wolf Dot Com For the second show in a row. How did this get made doesn't movie that got two thumbs up from CISCO EBERT AND SURPRISE SURPRISE? Both films have a clear connection to Chicago. I Love Cisco kneeboard and I'm grateful for what they did for film criticism but man their objectivity went right out the door when it came to all things Chicago. Here's an abridged version. Empathy the ability to put yourself in another person's shoes to imagine what it'd be like to look at it the world through another person's eyes most of us have no gift for it. Although that sure doesn't keep us from believing other people should spend a lot more time thinking about how it feels to be US pay. Luke kisses a movie about to accidentally put themselves in each other's bodies in although it could probably do more of its story would it does is gentle and moving. The film is fairly hard to categorize which is one of. Its strength. Disagree if you've seen the coming attractions trailer probably left you completely confused. I've heard the movie described as being about ghosts and reincarnation but it's about me and in fact it's supernatural. Gimmick in the story is mostly. There's an excuse to explain the more interesting stuff. What movie did you see? Siskel Ebert of the dialogue. I'll say how unusual it is for. Hollywood characters had talked longingly. Thoughtfully about our search for happiness in this world where most assuredly we will die dark prelude kisses the kind of movie that can inspire long conversations about the only subject worth talking about at all the meaning of it all cheese. This is first of all movie. Did they see that is not the movie that we got? I look now based on some of the comments. I've read on twitter and on my texting APP thing. I've noticed that there's a lot of people have some passion about this movie but this not from this movie. I don't know I don't know what happened here. And along those lines day the wall wants talk about the meaning of this film are actually not the film. The play the play has such a special place in my life was lucky enough to direct the play for our community theater group in Shanghai a few years ago and admittedly with a few tweaks because yes. The biggest problem is that the most interesting part happens. Five minutes into the show. Which is the body swap solution move? That seemed to the beginning of the play. We opened with the groom's dressing room wedding scene in kiss and just a bit of the honeymoon giving such dramatic strangeness to Read It before Fasching back all the way to Peter and Rita's first meeting and then jumping back with apologies to Craig Lucas. This worked out really well lending suspense to the relationship as well as making a wonderful challenge for the actress to play with the physicality of the performances. Doing this community theater play in. Shanghai is well problematic to put it euphemistically and to do shows with queer themes is doubly difficult Now this is actually really interesting because what people have told me this is me talking right here is that this is an allegory for the AIDS crisis prelude to kiss which is kind of shocking to me. I was like well. How is it an allegory? And Danny. The wall goes on to describe it. He goes to have two men share the stage with romantic relationship and even a kiss. Lucas had written the play at the height of the AIDS crisis. When a young couple might face the very real possibility of waking up to one of them suddenly aged weak and frail. Now that any of these things are in the minds of the filmmakers in Nineteen ninety-two in that is really kind of fascinating. I like when I heard that as like oh the the. The movie omits all of that. They don't kiss they have this relationship. But it's at odds. Ed like not at odds but I don't think that message a transcendent. And it's odd because Craig. Lucas was in charge of kind of bringing that over. I wonder if just I got in put out in the wash. I love this idea that this movie was doing something really innovative at the time. And now I understand why it was such a popular play but I mean I didn't get that at all I mean at all at all and I feel bad for not getting it but I'm glad that was brought to my attention. And you know a continuing on this conversation about this analogy we actually had a great call from Patrick in Pasadena. Let's go to the phones. Hey Paula Patrick from Pasadena. I eventually figure out what they were going for. In the scene where Alec Baldwin is playing cards or games or whatever with the old man whose body Meg Ryan. And and there's this whole scene to me is part of a much more interesting movie that we didn't see Because there's all these lines about how it's like. How how what about what? It's like to be with someone who you can't have sex with you. Love deeply companion relationship with but also like their mortality from it's always a factor because he knows his his wife who's now old man is going to die soon so that's sort of what they were getting at. I think I don't know if the play is more like that or not. I'd have to do more research than I'm willing to do to figure that out but I think that that's what they're getting at. Is that the relationship between Alec Baldwin and Meg Ryan Wind. She's the old man is sort of supposed to be analogous to what it's like to be in a relationship with someone who's dying of AIDS. So that's that. Wow great another great. Take on this I have to say for a very fluffy episode that we dismissed this movie quite easily with you guys Saw a lot more than we ever. Si- appreciate that call. I appreciate that point of view and now we'll get to an equally upsetting part of our podcast. Take a listen to all your calls about Molson. Beer call this is Dan. Over and Detroit's molten is a ongoing concern. Here is is a place where you know right by rape by the Canadian border we also just call it a Canadian but people drink them all the time. There's a common drink order. It was mind blowing to me that you folks being familiar. Chicago's you are did not see Molson as being something that people ordered regularly. I need to pay more attention when I go out of town. I Guess Mall. What's up again Austin I wanted to take a little bit of issue with How you guys were talking about. Molson veers as somebody who went to college in upstate. New York and not that far from Canada. I can tell you that Molson was definitely a staple of because it was affordable. Name's Karen from Chicago I work at bars. You're in Chicago. Paul Delilah 's and Yeah Molson is a really popular beer. People order it all the time and if even on special that is amazing all right point taken guys you are taking us to task and this leaks corrections and emissions. I love it Let's go back to your wolf boards. Here for more beer INFO The worst Buddhist rites as one of the token Canadians on the board. I guess I should weigh in on the most stuff so here are some random facts about moss. Molson was founded in the late. Seventeen hundreds in Montreal making it older than Canada as a nation emerged with courses now a huge global brand as a result though I think most of the Molson carling products would still be found primarily in Canada and the UK and as imports for the US though. Of course co-owns the brand. Maybe it's no longer considered an import. It's most popular brand for awhile. Has Been Molson Canadian. An adequate lager that has a huge advertising push from the late eighty s to mid ninety s most famously this spot which leveraged nationalism rare for us and it was very successful at the time and he linked to a commercial that you can find online which. I'm not gonNA play for you on my text APP by the way I had this thing which has been really kind of fun and people can yell at me or talk to me on this thing. Now Yell at me we've have lovely conversations on this. You can text me at nine one. Seven eight seven seven zero six. Five seven Dan mobely wrote to me. Goes in one thousand. Nine hundred seven Kieran made an agreement with Molson that most would produce Kirin beer for distribution in the US. It was the first time it was brewed outside of the USA. So it seems like it was a definite product placement in prelude to a kiss explains a super weird beer selection for morning beers. Well that makes some sense Dan. I'm not just getting the worst Buddhist giving me. Molson facts all of a sudden because Muslim podcasts. All right so there is a connection we see that now and now producer cody chimes in. I'm going to read this. Cody you tell me exactly what this says. Coors is a sponsor of the podcast. I did not know this with our Blue Moon ads that they were all part of this guy. This is an inside job and inside job. I hope they don't listen to this episode. All right that was so many great emissions. This week Wow I don't even know where to begin. I mean is it an allegory for the AIDS. Crisis is it. is is Muslim cores. Just subtly underneath the surface of everything in our world. I don't know I think I'm going to have to give the winner of the week to a man who literally brought this production of prelude to a kiss to Shanghai Danny the wall. Today you win. Ah So thank you case. Selva and Danny. The Wall sit back. Enjoy a Molson and just bask in the fact that you brought this played a Shanghai and you by the way you Kinda one up Greg Lucas Craig. You did a good job but I'm going to do a better. You rewrote the work. You made it better and you broke into the Shanghai market. Where would you have a cure and beer? I hope it all connects Danny. The Wall really tying everything together in one fell swoop. Okay people. This show is free because we talk about people like our sponsors and you know what is not a sponsor but the place I love to go. It's not public dot com page. Where you have all your How did this get made merch? 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That was not from Michael Bay and Michael Bay is upset about it. Michael Bay has Sent his minions out to Vancouver with one hundred and two temperature is performing there and I got a bag with a transformers rises. The fallen V. H. S. set which I believe he was a party of because he commented on their page he's sending out people now cross country lines But I wanNa make sure that everyone knows that those books were not from. Michael Bay does not advocate that This is from Katie and Chicago's greetings from Chicago She gave us a magnetic fridge. Magnet with a hot dog says I hot dog Chicago. She said I attended the early. Show of Pinocchio and had the best time the only downside was not being able to share pictures for fear that people would think I was at some erotic puppet show You know what I mean. That picture of Pinocchio with the cream on his face is still gets me this day but she says thank you so much for bringing me a laughter. Katie you're welcome. Thank you for coming out to our show and I will treasure our Chicago Fridge magnet. We'll put it up in the There will put it up on the Euro Fridge Arts and this is another Michael Bay. It's no transformers inside package right to cody. Would he have to say about this? Is the person that sent the books. I I think we can call him the Anti Michael. That's what it is okay so this is from. Oh well. He's revealed himself. Bobby Claes so I guess what he's doing. Bobby Claes is saying you can open this with reckless abandon. There's no Michael Bay in here So basically He goes awhile back. It's at you and your family. My Children's books and you rock my world and you mentioned them on a mini episode. Hope You and your family enjoy them. I did that was McKenzie's amazing force field I remember reading that. That was fun and I wanted to complete your collection with my newest book. My name is Benjamin about a robot who loses his mind when people get this name wrong But at the same time messes up other people's names but sounds like sounds like this is the robot that is based on me It's called my name is Benjamin brings home tonight and see if it works with my kids. I love this all right great. Well I'm gonNA bring home tonight. We'll see if it works. Let's see work. Thank you bobby. Claes the Anti Michael Bay Somebody sent me my A This is me. I Have A. I have a baseball card. I don't know why I have a baseball card by baseball card. And I'm going to send that out to you right there. Thank you for being a self addressed stamped envelope. And that is who is for justice for Raoul role. Oh you got it. It's in the thing you're done you got done all right. What else we got here. It was a good one. All right this from Ryan Schwartzman care of purpose picture's screenplay Hello Palma Fan. How did this get made native? Heard YOU JASON. Jim pitcher cells to be fast and furious movies the chuck data movies and more. I've unfortunately nobility make these happen however dull. I know what this is during your spirit of Christmas episode at minute. Forty-seven Seventeen Jessica Saint Clair said. Why aren't we all getting offers? And Jason Said Hallmark gives a movie the four of us a Christmas movie. That is the four of us my wife and I are producing partner. And we've been in talks with hallmark. I wrote the script with four of you in mind when love to bring a hallmark. If you're interested. It is written in the hallmark formula with some extra fun. How did this get made Easter eggs? Well Look Ryan. I appreciate this. It gave me one patriot the script. I'm not going to review it But it's well it's called. How did Chris? Mika getting made by Ryan Schwartzman and it looks like we're all in charming characters. There's two other people in it Daniel. Smith's face and CASSANDRA sanity High School Best This is interesting. It's a holiday romantic comedy. Look we said on the show Ryan. We want offers. We want to attach ourselves to something before. We know that hallmark is interesting. God damnit we need to get homework on this. If you get home mark on board. We're going to see the money we WANNA see. Overshooting is it mean. Is it a coastal town? Let's see you did do a great job at writing this? It is a an almost a ninety page script which is probably perfect length. Well it's an eight ax rate. Isn't I like this idea I? It's about a real estate business and charity events. I love it all. Let's let's let's see. Let's see what happens here. Peruse this I appreciate your your look. I hope you you Thank you for writing with us. Mind all right. Let's see what does this All right this is a box. The from Michael Bay. No not for Michael Bay but it feels good. Michael Bay box from Boston. A lot of t-shirts. What does this? Tall John Sheer Justice for on well. At least maybe a quiet mentioned that. Han was killed by the current star of the franchise. Now that hunt is mysteriously returned to the family. These shirts are bit outdated and I thought you and the crew appreciate them. Side Note Now that we're about to have a son King back. Maybe it's better tomorrow. The movie The both Canyon Director Justin Lin consider a prequel to Tokyo drift. By the way why it's a good movie. The audience is introduced to Hans. Challenge is driving prowess and even his smoking which Giselle comments on fast five. Okay Mark boomer. Would we got? He sent US literally Shock Killed Han. These are amazing. They are gonNA rock. One of these shot killed Han shirts. These are awesome. Maybe bring these out to Largo because you send a so many I love you even make these. Why did you make these just justice for Han? All right I've got a lot of grief online about my justice Ron Stance. It's still holds true. You can't get justice for someone who's not being killed me. He was left for dead but a left for dead is a different thing. I mean I don't know just hit his car and by the way if we're talking about if that's the greatest thin of Shaw that. He hit his car primarily every every movie. Uh-huh now look at the next one. This looks like it is from Michael. Okay well I know it's radical bakers right on the top is transformers engine fallen. Dvd look inside. Is ANYTHING INSIDE NOTHING INSIDE INTERESTING? Now we're getting to an interesting point where now you're sending me empty. Dvd cases and what is this? Okay this looks like someone burnt in on would What is it like? This is like one of those things when you're burn burn wood and it says one shall stand to Paul Michael Bay and I'll take a picture this you can see us online or nights to grant bauge pretty great Michael Bay. I hope that you made this show. I really do hope that you would burn this. I want to put this up at here Wolf. This is a pretty great. I love it for that. Thank you for your arts and crafts. Wait a second. This is from Ben McFadden. Not Michael Bay is another fake Michael Bay or as Michael Bay now more than one person maybe there is the DVD with the with the wrapping paper. Which is always the sign. The wrapping paper is assigned all right. Well I don't know I don't know what to make any of this. There's too many kobes account. Now there's Mas- many transformers or as many Michael Bay transformers I really. I don't know who to trust anymore. I don't know who to trust all right. That was the mail bag people. Let's move on before I move on. My friend. Said she introduced her eight-year-old to their original Golden Books The star wars ones. I when you five. That's cool. We don't hold them books as well. And also Paul you and I were talking about the BBC radio. Yes a really good. And that was a really. I was listening to those before I'd seen return in the in the theater and we didn't have home-video quite yet. I actually loved the radio out there. And they'll be actually really fun. A Indiana Jones like sequel on radio. Yeah you were telling me began by haven't heard all right. Thank you everybody and if you want to send us cool stuff like Would burnt benching. 's Or justice for hand propaganda. You can do it at. How did this get made care of your Wolf Media? Llc Pillbox Sixty six fifty five fifty one Hollywood boulevard. Hollywood California nine zero zero two eight if I said too quickly for you just go to. Hd DOT COM. It's all there all right now a lot of time dealing with you. I've heard about all your stuff. Now I want to tell you a little bit more about me. What am I thinking. Where am I at in my head? well I want to tell you that We got some cool stuff coming up if you like unspoiled Tom. Skerritt is on the episode of unspoiled. This week where we talk about Mash and not glowingly. Tom Scared always cool. You remember him from all the cool movies and easy cool guy to be interviewed so check out. Tom Scared scared. Heads the heads not to be confused with The SKI York Fans But it's now time for my pick of the week long balls. Dick's picks as much bigger the week. People like podcast. Well I got a podcast for you on this podcast from guy named Conrad left. It's called dead is I'm GonNa tell you what it is imagine A podcast like cereal. Where you're trying to get to the bottom of a very big mystery A mystery that has a lot of questions and no real answers to but the question is a lot simpler than the one in serial season one of course Which is why was I fired from band of brothers so basically connor had a very small part in episode five of Band of brothers and he was fired by Tom. Hanks because he had dead is in this podcast endeavors to find out why he was fired and he brings along some amazing guests like John. Hammon Darcy Carden and Zach Woods. Even amy man gets on the show and talks to him about why he could have gotten fired in our music got him through him getting fired and even talk to the person who got his job. It is a fascinating listen to It's like a bit that has gone on in a way that I just can't get over and it's it's sincere but it's also a bit like he's not like he's successful. He's done other things but he is obsessed with this Definitely checkout dead. Is podcasts where you can try to figure out why Tom. Hanks fired this man from band of brothers. I think you'll like it available wherever podcasts heard And also wanted to. I forgot about this Robin Hood. Show called crashes. We're doing it in a at Largo on Saturday the fourteenth at Largo. Come out see us. Let's have fun. We have an amazing group of people. I believe Tasha Zero Reggie Watts. It's always a super fun. Time Robin I will be there. It will not be cancelled and we actually have a big name guests. I can't really tell you right now but it will be a lot of fun all right. That's all that I got and now it's time for us talk about the movie that we're GONNA be talking about next week all right. Let's get done with prelude to a kiss. Let's get it out of the way. Because now we are going from body switching to vampires or Lichens or whatever the bullshit they call it as. I'm talking about underworld blood wars okay. Imdb describes underworld blood wars as this vampire death dealer selene. That's keep beckon sale fights to end the eternal war between the liking clan and the vampire faction that but trader listened to the trailer the vampire and Lichen clans had been at more for centuries a tanning our world into a battlefield for me. The fight is past. Everyone has been hunted down now in new wars being waged needed to deliver a message. Tell you Marius and coming fan. Do you your message all right. That's the world blood wars. I am excited for you. to listen to this episode. Because this is done at a part of our tour Jason Jinnai were just zonked zapped out overtired just we had nothing left in the tank and these next two episodes you're going to get from us are probably our most unhinged episodes to date So if you'd like to partake in enjoying underworld which I can't fully recommend you can do it on Amazon Prime Voodoo Google play Youtube itunes. Or who we don't understand these movies But there seems to be a passionate base that does and I cannot wait for cody to go through all the people. They're going to have so much to say about this. And if you don't WanNa do if you don't want to get those movies streaming like that you can go to your public libraries and you can get all the underworld series. I'm sure the library would be happy to let them out of the library Okay if you're an avid listener of the show you know that our producer April Halley is responsible. Picking our films employing our clips. She also has a very own movie show called movie bitches where we condense their reviews of current movies into two minutes and then now let you know if a movie is worth seeing or to be skipped and here is April and Andrew Goldie with their movie bitches review there to review of the lighthouse sears. Welcome to Moody. Which is we're reviewing the lighthouse. I will say I know nothing about this movie and then you told me it's in black and white on like some old timey camera so it was like this is going to be some pretentious garbage and heat. It not like didn't it didn't make it be crazy. Yes was that the point. Yes I appreciated. That was in many ways the intent yet. I think this movie really hinged on the two main performances Willem dafoe definitely seems like an animatronic pirate from pirates of the Caribbean hunter. He was like woodland on that Porch. Ye Olde Mateias. Beware if you cross through this threshold. Y'All Bloom Noble. Jim I watch this for awhile. Knitting knitting story bound long Jones alert. It was real weird liked it we decide to. They're both fantastic actors. They were really committed was no winks to the camera. They were so earnest just particularly Robert Pans so incredibly earnest in saying things that he was doing then he worked all be honest. I was disappointed. We didn't stick. I was GONNA happen. I mean I'm not saying like oh I'm sad but he's like had it out in a lot of mature and he's like hearing it. I wrote down in my notes like okay. It's a winter we say. Oh no we talk but anyways Yeah so interesting important performances I the they were both fantastic. They could both be nominated. I would be happy. I thought they were very good. Yes you could watch it and interpret a completely different way and I think you could see it multiple times in internal definitely. I would say overseeing it gives them money to independent film. Yeah thank you movie bitches you can follow them on Youtube in twitter. 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386 - Brother Magic feat. Josh and Benny Safdie (1/20/20)

"The take When we we I Were thinking of fantasizing about Doing this interview you guys You had the brilliant idea that As soon as we started the interview we would talk due to Benny assuming that his character from good time was just him. It'd be like to made a movie. That's so cool. Amazing made a movie. Credible yes I could do it a Tom Scharping carpooling so we used to listen to the bus. Show a lot And Benny that character was developed. With Ron Brown's it'll be win then every once in a while Ronnie would be like. Oh well no people aren't gonNA it's not real it's not can people aren't GonNa do. It's not gonNA work. We're going to buy that by the voice. I mean no the telling you I could you do. The voice people will accept it as real and it was just a whole thing and so I would call into East judge of Yes. Tom Sharpening always always gets these calls. Get off my mom. Get off my phone and I would call trying to convince him that I was a real person and so I would call all as as nick and I would get onto the phone and then there was the whole thing the grandmother listening in the end this whole theory of this whole scene. That was working and he didn't hang up. It was it got really silent on the air and then I think actually our friend Jake was also listening and he texted me right when it happened. He goes man. Dan You got it like you. He's totally thinks that that's real and it was just like got silence so you test things in real life. Yeah so in that sense. It was just like but I've had full on interviews with people who either don't know or look at me like I'm a ghost like what's going on. You said like you guys were talking about like the patronizing like hey man like you said congrats. You made a move job. That's like that's sadly I hate that Shit. You know what I mean like. Someone was talking airplane basketball and So it was like special needs. You know they were. They were developmentally disabled in some way and then like you know they. They were getting special treatment. Everyone was like walking on eggshells. Just treat everyone the same way. How about that? You know what I mean and I know that when we were doing research with Pattinson up in Yonkers Benny at when he stayed in doing this research people just ignored him. They pretended like he was like a not a real human being. They squeezed out onto talk to him. There was there was just naturally ended up. Being you know pushed to it was it was like a full conversation and the circle just slowly closed and I was living on the outside. Not In people are Hugli. And it's and it's it's strange and it's like that and for that it's like we looked to cast somebody who is disabled. You know we really wanted to do that. But there was the speed of the schedule schedule. The speed of everything you know we would have had to do so many things that were unfair. It was the action. Sequences would have been manipulating. It would have had somebody out of stuff out of what we thought was nice. You know it wasn't comfortable so speaking by the way of of crank calling full. I am degenerate Knicks Fan. And and there's one knicks show that is talking like the listenership is probably two or three hundred pieces around. It is still going to bring it up but but they this is is my jd and the straight shot fan. podcast basic peop- The people on that on that the listeners of that show could name songs I taste and and I would. I had a character who was known as the the the dog guy and I had this like sound. Boorda's the dog barking and I. It was hard to do that when I would get that. My dogs knew about my eternal knicks frustration. And that when I would start getting hyped up the dogs dogs start barking so I would have to talk giving a rant and then start hitting all of my buttons with the Barking and the host like they're barking they're bothered ca-came character was. It's funny because I don't really know where I ended in. This character began to your earlier point about you know just a treating everyone the same name and everyone being equal. I think we should like in a spirit of that. Let's all go around the room and do our version of that voice and just try it out and see how it goes. Yes I think I think people really well rice really like us for it is generally how I start my day. Opera singer the scales getting the instrument ready. I was saying we should actually open by asking if you'd like to apologize for the antisemitism Of your movie of good time it just us without some things can be superpowers. So you say that I say it's a superpower should Formerly we introduce this episode interview in case. You have already figured it out. We're talking to the softy brothers and of course we've all seen uncut gems now it's It's been I think the most memorable movie of the year so far that's true I can't you can't tell when you're in the middle of it just the screen shot of Sandler This is how I win. I've seen so many times now online but so this is a very similarly New York movie that features many Again replicable genuine New York Weirdos in it before we get into that movie. I gotTa talk about what I think is maybe one of my favorite films ever and I know you guys have a connection to it. I'm speaking of course about sensational. Internet video. Short man screams at John was awesome. Yeah yes I actually did a podcast. I know you did a podcast I am. I am fascinated just to hear a little bit more for those. Who Don't know? The video is imagine Paul Simon with Anton sugars haircut going on a unbroken five minute. Read verbally abusing abusing a busker in the village. Anybody know who you are. Maybe the peace and quiet. This is one of the most important places all America who you you you miserable. Perception was no tablet tablet artist and audience respect to silence. It serves of creativity. Obviously don't have the talent you don't have the other people in music near the form of creativity and I'm going to Nyu Film School Graduate Stuck Up and the school visual arts and you can't be about university San Francisco you suck. You're no talents. If if you really go practice and get yourself with Gig instead of ruling the end of the day quitting my favorite financial air favorite moment in that that is when the guy gives in and says you know what all right fine and he wants to move on and he's like no and he doesn't want to move on and Bob Yes tony. Douglas Levinson we. Actually we put them in. Heaven knows what we shot a scene with him opposite Ariel Pink and And we cut the scene we recreated the fight and we didn't use it wasn't right but it's online it's it's but Douglas Bliss Levinson firstly super into tm. He's an I find a lot of new wage. I A lot of my heroes are big. TM PEOPLE SO I. I've never done him. I did awesome adaptation but I never did tim but he the idea of somebody who practices regularly meditation exploding. But like it's it's particularly in like the financial district where that video takes place he I asked I talked to him about it. He says that he has one of his skill. Set is verbal judo pseudo. That's exactly what I saw on that video poetic too. It's like an incredible Soliloquy. Really is that that whole setup like you know who the fuck are you get like five other ones. And it's all the same when he says that great thing. This silence is the that is my favorite line and he goes who the fuck are you. Sure shortest respects to silence the foundation creativity as well. Although by the way. Is that true. I listen to music Music is it's it's one of those things where you just deliver something. It's such a good rhythm you don't have time to think about what makes any sense or not. It's the it's the by speaking being genuinely he's a musician And I think he genuinely was just kind of like offended by the lack of talent on display and then he was forced in this moment to listen to it when he was on his way. Who knows what he's dealing in that moment? It seemed like he was just like one of those just like roving yelling pulling guys every city has them yes but like it is but he's not that's not common for him. I think that was an explosion. I think he like I think he nor he's not like a normal screaming. Green guy is like kind of that that that whatever it is in your brain that keeps your internal thoughts internal the normal screaming people just that that switches army. I wonder how many screaming guys I've encountered like I just that aren't regularly screaming. We actually did something along the type of person only there is a media. We did something a long time ago. There's nothing you can do. You made a short film where it was like okay. We wanted to create one of these screaming guy things on a public bus and so we created this whole like Scenario where all these people got on the bus at actors all the actors would get on at different points and start filming just because they're in New York on a bus. How cool and then I would get on right before? The bus went into the park. And once a Windsor Park. We knew we had like four minutes before there was on. The other side of the bus driver could stop and kick me off so there was a four minute time to start the scene and the whole thing was I was upset upset that there was a baby crying on the bus and I would yell so the woman in the back too but we have to note that the the baby was actually faked that we had there was a US right. Nobody was crying so all everyone on the bus heard with some Guy Street about a crying baby I was. They thought not something was off and so he's wearing a sued but the idea was we wanted to see what would get everybody in the bus to kind of come together there are no. There's nothing I detest is is that like public shaming the lady. WHO's the cricket lady? Oh my God God remember the fucking cricket lady. She released a bunch of like crickets on August. Right over the bridge it was released out Over just a boxing cricket and then people were like actually there was video of it and people were actually like weirdly Nice in that way. That New Yorkers are like okay. Okay calm down. We're all we're we're GONNA and she's like screaming and accident. Oh no she was like acting like an insane woman and running around and and then later she was like actually. I'm an art student and be like Oh fuck off and I wanted to see how people treat the mentally ill and everyone in the video was really okay. All right all right we're going to be fine We're all on your side so everyone was so nice to hurt. It's like the asshole with a box of crickets this assist she did like fucking NYU Shariq. Oh I thought this was different. This was different. This was an the actual we had wanted to make a short film. Wanted to use all these people who are on the bus Astra's without them knowing But it was also like to see what happens if a handful of play Planted people if they started. They started ganging up on somebody. If people intuitively just join in and they did. Yeah I yeah. Halfway through the park the bus driver stops the bus. Pull it all. You're literally physically got thrown off the bus and it was all for yelling about a Woman's Baby Ben Ronnie's Ronnie who wrote Jams with is he's he's he's on the bus Ronald Brunson and he was like actually had A. He had a camera in his pocket. Tuck it recording the audio and so but at the end he's like he's like I don't know about you guys goes. I wouldn't assault the guy yelling and then every oh but the moment yells is Komo Ronnie Rodney's great and we do a lot of things running running he he he he in in particular doesn't like to collect joy that everyone felt yes after they threw him off like we did our laws insistent and he was like no no no. He's like someone tried to like egg him on. Wasn't that and ask you. You say what you want Salt Guy. Douglas Levinson the Mr Levinson and the Anchorman Yelling Trumpet Player. What I find so phenomenal about that? It's like three five three to five minute video. And it really is a complete the journey and the and what's amazing about it is the angrier he gets and the more full frothy gets. He remains totally articulate throughout all of it and he actually gets. It's not easy cascades. Further and further it takes on a real sense of pathos with this guy. It's incredible he reminds me of Blake. Blake I'm not going to get too far into this guy because he's a saga but there is a youtube man. I've been obsessed with for twelve years and the Dan Quinn. WHO's that Dan? Quinn is a former goes the rest of the show. I'll give you the Dan. Quinn is a notre former former Notre Dame football player who is expelled for what he says was a trumped up charge by who he calls Lucifer. Lou Holtz the coach of Notre Dame. Anyway he smoked math for twenty years one insane and believe that if you took a sugar replacement Stevia you could make something that could replace cocaine and also cure cancer and is there any validity to that madness I been obsessively for twelve years. I knew through 'em forums uh-huh who is a big deal on May form we call it fighters and he's so fucking crazy and he gets so fucking mad but in all the videos where he gets mad he has. These amazing turns of phrase isn't isn't like sort of weird economies speech. I think there's like a point. You go passive just being like a bizarre fucking Erzen maybe some degree of insanity where you are kind of better it language than a normal person thing and I think Levinson Kinda like that. Because you're so used to hearing yourself speak as you think that's a little bit of that. Maybe yeah maybe. He had that thing about the silence being the foundation of creativity in his head. That's probably what the ideal person you also have to remember. He has the same inverse relationship to articulation. enrage the the thing you have to remember about Douglas is he's ultimately an amateur musician and he's seeing another amateur musician and he does have had that he did walk Bob Dylan out onto stage on stage in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven whenever you whenever it was he wants to flex that's him. He's he sees another guy's then why you feel that he's like what is that limitation doesn't surprise me either though because like like I think of Lynch is like the the post elder and and I've seen if you've ever seen the video. Where David Lynch were they asking? What are you? Do you think people start watching movies on their phones and he just slow boils to a screaming rage. It's such a sadness you think you've seen film on your fucking telephone get real. I just think that doesn't help with that kind of anger. Anger I mean. I think it's about organizing thoughts but it's not a anger. Suppressing that is what keeps people from doing that. All the talk a serum that keeps them at bay. I mean it's it's really worked for mody just when when you have him when you talk to him on a podcast. I seem to remember like asking. What were you thinking? What was the genesis this outburst and I think he said nine eleven? I don't remember that I was thinking of nine eleven at the time down near Ground Zero. That's I believe that I believe that. I think that he's I think he's as a deep guy. Douglas Lettuce and I I you know He. He wanted to continue working together. I know someone in La who ended up shooting something with with him too. I wonder what he's up to. I haven't spoken to him in a in a little bit but Mitchell winning who appears in our movie in gems. WHO's the guy who sandler gives the watch to the ends up coming back saying this is all fake rolex? Mitch is a guy who bending I meant a diner two thousand and eleven and we put them in short two thousand twelve and we stayed in touch with him. He's the best stories. He's one of the we weirdly meeting autograph. The guy that is like at a certain point to the movie like keep showing up and trailing how we we hassling his. Yeah does he looks like he's with his twin brother. Thank you bring your heavy with you. I knew that he had a brother but I didn't know his mother. It looked like because his brother and him once jammed out with Johnny Ramone. And I'm very good friends with Johnny ramone which Orleans they lived in the same building and Chelsea everybody Eh. He told us a story and it was like because he can't be anything but sincere Mitchell. You know this thing. It's unbelievable but he talking about Johnny Ramone. He's like when he died it was really Powerful to him and then jiving you ask them if you went to the funeral he goes no. I didn't. I'm like why not because I loved him every and has this kate voice where everything has a question mark on the end of yeah like look if he's look and sure of himself he's as we know weirdly enough now like the past few months or whatever people you show up we shoe show up to like whatever screen or something Sandler's era there's people who collect autographs right and they want us to signings things I don't know why but they one of the guys I'm signing this thing and he says to me I love that you Mitch in this and I was like what yeah and he goes. Mitch would probably be here if he wasn't in the film right now as we all know. Mitch wouldn't be at this event which is a is one of the leading autograph collectors New York and in the Tri State area. Should we know he has the best stories of Algeria about some legendary rockers Rod Stewart you have nightmares about. There's I know not joking. Quick Paul McCartney broke his eardrum. We'll this so basically the best Jodi Rod Stewart. I'll explain swain with so I also Mitchell says hi and to me. That was the most incredible thing was that here. We are at this this fancy event and I like we have this direct connection with this whole other subculture. You know it was unbelievable and but Mitchell told me once I ran into him as he was leaving a Rod Stewart thing and I guess you'd had Rod Stewart had asked him. He brought a bunch of things to get. Because he loves Rod Stewart Roger. I actually think he's the best. It looks like one of the greatest king so anyway so then He. He asked him to sign. By the way Dylan made the most money ever off of That was a courtesy forever young. They like say oh. I guess we should probably run on a by Dylan. Even though it's not the same song has the same name and then I can be fifty percent. It's nothing like my song. It was like their biggest hit ever so anyway so he asked Roger Side One thing he did it and he's like and then I asked him sign another and he did and so he's like and then he signed like seven more things for me. I'm like Oh that's great. He goes but he didn't he said okay. That's enough to me to Mitchell. And he's I said. Oh that's nice. Is it state is he goes well. I think it's kind of mean that he didn't WanNA sign more. What do you mean by that? And he was so but he really did want him to sign everything and it's like okay. This is he really does care about this stuff. But a lot of a lot of agriculture sell a lot of their work Mitch. He collects exit actually collects that's respectful serving and reselling it. That's very do that. I saw at the National Board of Uganda's guy had a full okay. Goodfellas like print out really nicely print out. I really admired hit so many signatures on. ABC The entire cast and crew person. He was missing was pitchy and Pasha. was there ear that night so he was like I gotta get passing so I saw it. I was like that's amazing. And he goes. Yeah I said who you waiting for you. Especially he's not in there he's like Oh damn and and I can. I took a picture of it and I have a picture because I wanted. I was like are you selling that. He does not going to sell this one. This one's for me because it is. It is industry for sure but Paul McCartney Paul McCartney Stories I told Mitch us like you push it on that one. He he got wanted these autographs as very soon after Paul McCartney Linda McCartney died and he wanted his he wanted Paul decide something that she had was always a picture of her pushed. It you guys dealing dealing with death in his own way. He's still a beetle. You know what I mean. And he pushed any push. It leaned. Go Away and screaming this year and if do you ever spent time with Mitch. The idea of him being confronted in that way. I can't help but chuckle. Because he's not he's not a scared person so I can just imagine him taking it and then asking for the autograph you know what I mean. He's not a phased by these things. He has his George Harrison stories great. He's got a lot up really really really great stories and and his brother he showed up. We really wanted him to play that part. We wrote that part for him for Mitchell for Mitchell and are casting asked actor who we work with a Lotta name is Jennifer. She's amazing does documentaries. She wasn't sold on him. She was like I don't know I don't know if he could do. And this is a bigger movie for us so we had to like all those casting decisions we had to vet and like come up with this come. We had to. We have a tape. We had a super document delivery. Have a tape within. They're not it wasn't wasn't an audition. It was like an acting portrayal on some sort of tape to show to be like this guy can do it and it was. It was a super document to Scott. Rudin you gotta out of this guy is big big credit. Might be that Paul McCartney broke drums. But he's the only guy can play this part and this is why and and uh and so in the process rehearsal and the audition process a lot of actors went for that role to and he showed up with his brother and Jan was like. WHO's that guy? And he's like my brother. Stuart wanted to know if he can maybe auditioned for something as well as a job. So they they they're like okay yes. They sent me a picture like put them in with him in the audition. Let's just see what he does and do anything. He just stood there behind him and was a presence. That's was his whole a weird. I think we go back and change the script because of it now Stewart when I met him for the first time I didn't know what to do or look at anyone as they looked so similar and he says to me he's like oh I make music music so like okay cool. He's actually record some music for the movie if you don't If you don't mind I was like I don't mind at all. And he showed up on set Stewart and he went up to Ronnie Rodney's the CO writer co editor goes because What's your title on us and drink coffee? Oh I wrote the movie Josh. Vani and I'm editing moves. Oh so you're an editor He's like you got any Any say with the music and he's like well Josh many they usually pick that music. Sometimes it's like why would it be. I made some music for the movie. And he's like Oh cool. He's like he's like what do I gotTa do to get you to put in a word for me like I don't know just give me the disk and I'll take a listen to it. He he recorded on. I then ran into store that day. Also and he's like Oh so you're GONNA put my music in the movie talk to Ronnie. He said I'm going to do and then I was like well. Well we don't know any goes. It has the same name and I was like. What are you because it was called track? Titles he never script rob gems so you you cannot use it all the same and I was even know that there was a character. You didn't know there was a character named Julia movie but there was is a track named Julia. J. E. W. e. l.. That's a genius. We're laughing no music sommes. Yes artist fifty more. It's a menu all my God. How are you be more it? Has You know who that is. He's like Oh okay. He's got this weird sixties vibes all all this instrumentation. You're like when and where did he record this on real. He's the track hiding which you wouldn't expect it to be. You like this but then usually all my God this is insane like trump does like. He's he's a guy with a lot auto problem and Joe Emerson would have been given the movie very different field. Ah On set in California. We have a company. I WANNA actually release video on. Release the album. It's I think there's all the songs they're kind of the same but they're all they'll have a great vibe so Mitch and his brother the Valley to me one of the one of my favorite things about the movie is basically like half the cast non professional actors for some in a movie or like playing themselves whether it's grown up but the first one I wanted to talk about is the guy who when I first saw the trailer for the movie. I stood up and saluted my my laptop when it happened talk. Of course about the God Mike Francesa. So how how. How did it come about that? You were like I gotTa have Mike Francesa in this movie. It's so originally. We wanted for that role a real bookie that we know Who reason what we put bets in with particular Sebastian Bear McLeod? who was the producer he his bookie? Okay I was almost his name. Larry he's amazing very personable. We met with him a bunch about certain crazy degenerate. Gamblers take issue with some of the bets in the movie. Like you would never be. I know handful of bookies who would take that Because the the dumbest fucking bet I've ever heard in the into quote friend says a so when this book he said I have a Business Toronto. I'm not going to appear in your movie. SAG major rate like kidding me. Give up my entire identity and my the avenue that I have in the business no get out of here go kick rocks rocks so I was like all right so we can't get him. Who had the first thing that popped into my mind was friend says just he's just it? He was the first person I just thought he. They resembled one another. And you're making a movie about Your explore New York sports degenerate. I can't tell you how many times I've listened to Mike Show. Oh Yeah just. He's not even sometimes sometimes. He's an honest. Somebody's on it. Favorite school he falls asleep. Leave you have to like. I mean you guys. It's different like you don't have every single day. You know. Imagine grind hours day also. I used to people filming these. He's used to going into the fan and sitting there and rolling through and after that Diet Coke and we met out with him. We sent out the. We sent out the the kite. And do you want to be part. He immediately came back to us. I was like yes. We're like. Whoa he's like I went up lunch? I had lunch with him and Italian restaurant was classic and he was like a mob boss immediately. He certain people they can't help but be themselves and those people you WanNa work with. He in particular I thought it was gonna go to the kitchen. Critique the food he he is such a big big personality and sometimes you're talking to them. He's doing his right right right. Are you paying attention. And he is then Gadoe ten perfect yet telling him direction action you know like I don't know if this is entering or anything and then he would just nail. He was a very easy to work with took direction. Very well basically said treat treat Howard like you would treat a caller said how to treat our you want like one of the callers. You hate the most easy he he he a big inspiration. I think a big reasoning from during the movie is that bad lieutenant. The voice on the radio and bothered Chris Russo as mad dog. Yeah and I think when he was a little bit upset about got US combat goes. It's going to be my face total standoff and then like he but but I love. He loves the movie I really I enjoyed talking to my text. Them still bad. Lieutenant Chris. Russo is sort of like the Greek chorus. Like God as has tells life just deteriorates more and more able to prayer actually just saw gems for the first time and we put him in one of our. I films as a mugger as CD huckster. And I'd heard that he saw the movie but I didn't hear from I thought it was weird and Abel's doing great right now I don't know have you guys are fans of Abel Ferrara's his reaction. I gotta read one. I gotta read it. It's gotta read it was. I'll read just a portion. Because his is he said he has one he wanted to be a Jew his whole life. I didn't know that grass is always greener introduce everyone I'm like one day year. We'll switch let me. I've used that a lot of Italian. You know like when I was living in Harlem I remember number I was I was Muslim. That's just what I would And it's all good Salaam Aleikum Shalom. The same shit here. He goes he told me he was here. I was reminded he goes having Garnett in the film was off the hook credible Go show whole project was worth waiting and things are meant to be. You're meant to be having. The film was also off. The Hook reminded me that I wanted to do a shoot at Shea Stadium. I know this story. This is a true story about bad. Lieutenant I wanted to shoot a SHEA stadium of Harvey standing behind the DUGOUT watching strawberry. Walk away from the batter's box after striking out obviously couldn't pull that off right but I can go on and on. Just keep the full price and then he just goes he. That would have been. That would have been amazing. He actually said something about the ending that I really think is so funny here from able. I don't want to spoil it anyway. We'll put a spoiler alert toil. What happened to him? Don't spoil they will beep it dot true because there's two different things I it's like still I trust I trust. It's just people live what he's got he's GonNa like we're GonNa have your come on. I WANNA throw them because I think it's yeah we're GonNa Chris say that you just said something really rushes fine. Only thing. It was that he was killing Santa. Closer Mickey Mouse uh-huh who's killed so many of his characters mouse at the two. I love it but I love that and I and but but I know that there was a thing that he wanted to do in in battle attendant also said he wanted to do. He wanted titels character to use his bad to get onto the field juice the mess. Yeah which is amazing. And that movie worked with the didn't they didn't have sanctioned from the obviously we did fair use only just made the movie but Anyway Mad Dog Chris. My bed lieutenant uses uses a fictional mets dodgers playoff series as the backdrop to the disintegration guy tells right and then and then it's also gambling narrative that he keeps betting against the mets over and over again as they pull off miraculous for you come from behind four game winning streak to take the series in this video. Don't forget to mention Zoe. London that Phil. Yeah I think she wrote the movie with him who that's crazy scene where he's basically literally parallel early saying yeah. Yeah but so so. You're you're is like you you use a real. NBA Playoff seasons like they use. The fair are use like the the clips of basketball. You're watching the film was a real series follows. An era of where like it's got a good game off game and then a great game like Whoa. How did you choose like that's serious? More importantly like Garnett. How did you come up is like when you're writing this movie making really wasn't Arnie? So longtime stoudamire. We started starting two thousand. Ten took ten years to make this movie star in two thousand ten and it was a it was centering around a knicks run wherein arse out of mine who was Jewish Had A legendary family but think about it that way he. The Black Jewish thing was much bigger part of the movie. The Ethiopian Jewish tribe was. He's bigger part by the way I saw. I saw the movie with cow. My friend who and he was just like from the beginning. We had had no literally no idea that was going to be in there. So He's like oh I'm so into this and he's like I don't this debate Israelites. Yes yeah yeah. Yeah No. There's a there's a the Jewish population and he gets the facebook ads all the time a Marae so we wrote it around Amari time. This movie took so long to make dinner at Murray's House of one point two thousand eleven two thousand twelve and it was just moving along at one point we tried we did a table read in La and he came and was a part of it. And that's why we tried updating. We did we made it more contemporary and it was gonna be dwelling beetles a player in the seventy sixers. WHO's from Cameroon? So the African element was about reclaiming this thing that was taken from Africa and be empowered via that then when the schedule pushed into the season we couldn't use an active player. Joel Joel Manager. Jannie sacks actually appears as Kevin's manager in the movie so good they'd come of it I we also got some six games which was sick. and Joel's amazing. And his humor also also helped steer the movie that scrip so when we had no active. We couldn't use an active player. We had to go back to the drawing board. Amari wouldn't shave. His dreads to match the games we needed to us. So and on the weekends now be part of the movie too so we are limited. We can't go earlier than two thousand twelve. So now we're like okay. It's a lot of very small dot doc. Both would have been any games sequence. That was good bad. Good at any moment during Garnett's career starting at yet up. Oh for sure. Yes the couple of players and originally Knicks Fan. I hate him so much. I didn't even want him near the move. Like I saw his name on the list and I was like as an IC sounds sounds like hate him. I don't want him in the movie and talked to him. I was like final. Talk to him and I said it was. I hate your fucking gun and he really appreciated that and then you realize he's a big wrestling fan fan. That's what I was so taken with by the choice to go Garnett as an ex fan or simply follow the MBA. How could you not hake are unless sure Celtics Fan but he always kind of liked him because he was? He's always such a good. He'll check your head guy and he loves being the and and when you talk to you all that's it like he's doing that on purpose you know okay. This guy's an actor. You know in some way shape or form but then it was like okay. Well this'll the best storyteller ever. I'm just happy in a weird way. It's yes I don't like that it's a celtics thing. I'm just happy. It's not a Brooklyn Nets thing because he could have been a great game bad game. Great Game on the nets is that we would be with the nets game while New Jersey Nets game would be would be kind of still hated them when they were so it would have been. We're not we're not doing a Brooklyn that's okay at least even though Saudis you're not going to censor your film around the Dynamic Exciting Barclays Rusted Not Thank you the the core of the Russian. The talking somehow infiltrated the no the you just sold. The team did Don't shoot me broker off but the I have a crazy story to tell you guys about Russian spying I I can't go into well. That was the next level it was next level and it was like someone was so paranoid about it. They made the phones leave the room and it was like such anyway. I'll get into another time but but Garnett looked at the Games. We lucked out into falling into a playoff series. That was just. It happened overpass so where it was like. It was a northeast series had northeast games. We talked we actually at one point we have these agents and they were like you gotTa right up the movie character. Give it to Kobe. Kobe wants to act like a house like La Laker movie. Koby by him ever in a jewelry store by you know so like he ended up Ryan doing it. I like watched so many koby interviews trying to understand who he was as a person who is a stretch around his sixty one point game at the garden and and I wrote it took me two weeks to do it. And then they're like Oh there were where is it. It takes me time to do this. And then you mentioned like all right I finish here. Let's send it to Kobe tomorrow. They're like Kobe. Doesn't want to act. We I heard he only wants to direct so we're not going to say don't understand. The concept of work to some people is so foreign like they don't understand things people have to to do it. You know what I mean like you push a button and it gets done that that mentality is dangerous so it the the sports aspect of it and Garnett like even playing himself is phenomenal in the movie. He's amazing really really good and like you can say oh. He's playing himself but like no. It's not just so easy to do. It's also like those are those are not real situations he's he. He has to fiction a lot. He's put his real self in a fake situation and make fuel real. That is the hardest thing you could ever do are approach the producers. Scott Rudin. Said you know he knows. We're all no one saying the obvious thing which is if this guy can't do the scene where he's in a home really doesn't work. It doesn't work. No one wants to say that out loud. It's so Scott will be like can he act and you'll have to talk about. What does that mean to act? And we're not going to screen test. This guy's he's not gonNA do an audition. It's not there has to be confidence on our part to be like it will work again. No it will work and then of course it's like when you're on set and he's just killing ailing it and everybody's like what is going on. This guy is like knocking it out of the park but when you think about that really what that is where the entire production on a a five second moment in the movie. Yeah Kinda scary. It's like I don't open. Hip is going to go the way that scene was more stress and anxiety at that tip off and I had watched years. What's actually amazing? Is that sequence actually as much longer like we actually have him going over every point game on the whole game sandler do the whole game every point. Every rebound he looked over the guys encountered it off. Had so much. So that it's like. I wish that there was like a function you know like the the you could do the translation on your on your TV. Hit like the Howard function on a game. You know just go over every week through his brain but yeah that sequences just like Sandler's unbelievable. That's why he wanted that working because we knew that he ran. He's GonNa be able to add things that you wouldn't even know it. Just yeah that and also that playoff game game seven literally. It was the was a gift. There's so much tension and I knew how those games ended your Celtics. No now I know you're GonNa hate me. I'm a Pacers Fan. God arnovitz Reggie Miller. I Reggie Miller childhood oil to Reggie Miller. Listen you guys crushed us but I know and live right now. You'd never go away. Really Larry Bird Donnie wa. I loved DOC Washburn. He's in the near the Pacers Indiana that I know the Pacers Rick Smits for some reason bothered me. More than Reggie Miller. Rick Smits is is just kind of like Kay with that skullshaver. Yes yes area. Yeah he the Judge Judge Smith. I also hated him. Amazing Gina Smith Nick Spans. Hey Reggie will I do. I taunted us but you have to. Do you have to admire the skill news. Very Good Cheryl was good too. Oh yeah people say that now she was yeah. This is a move for the Senate the world of sports gambling. We've covered that but like you know. A huge part of the movie is about the New York City Diamond District. uh-huh yes and your access that you guys there and again the non-professional actors that user people who were just part of that world who are in the movie my favorite. My favorite character character in the whole movie is the guy that he pawns. Garnett's dangerous into the haggling GA Marshall. Yeah because Marshall working on those guys are often the movie so Marshall and Ronnie Greenburg who appear in that series fraternal twins twins. Yeah they're older. Marshall is whole survey a couple. He has that feeling of the So Todd Vo Peo- who's Guy who's a jeweler in the diamond district. Who's it's very much a Howard guy from Howard beach? Actually he's like Howard he Sandler he trailed Sandler. Trailed him Almost exclusively really He traveled a couple of other. People would spend a lot of time with todd because we all we all were very inspired by todd. Todd was supposed to originally be that part And it was a one character thing that we wrote and we just love Taba wanted to be in the movie and he's a great Hagler to he's the guy shows up in the beginning comes out the door and the hall waning with the Fuck is going on now here in the during the fight. Yeah Yeah just like back here he was supposed to be in it and we already lost Ronnie though Greenberg we already lost brother already. Cast his brother in the movies. That was like we had he was. We were excited. He's amazing and that was just something that was on the books we went up to Todd's office no-no without Sandler and Ronnie was there Greenberg and we opened the normal like Marshall was sitting there. Who's the one who you this you know? And I eighty nine Rodney dangerfield fan harvey voice. I saw marshal sitting there and phone love like immediately. I really fell in love with him. He looked at me. Like what is this guy want from me and I was like I think I even called him Rodney by accident and and and you just is is I need to be in our movie immediately. Talking to him and his brother is a Ronnie went to film school. Actually with Dr as Khanjar cinematographer. which is a weird coincidence and Surani deep anyone? WHO's interested in film? We have good in with someone who's not as they're like. I want to be part of that. Nonsense so Rodney. Marshall is tough to convince and when todd this epic very Howard in the Howard Dean Ian Event happened in. Todd's real life the night before we the shooting or two nights before we were shooting that scene in the diamond district that you were talking about something happened. He ended up in hospital and he broke both his elbows and and he's a miracle he's alive todd and it's a miracle how I really don't know how he is alive but God is and he said to me you couldn't get them and he had Garnett's championship ring he was embellishing. It a little bit making it a little bit more fancy. I'm using a couple real emeralds diamonds. That was his job. He was also working with the props department he disappeared. We couldn't find him and He had the ring he had a couple of other pieces to. So we will freaking out like we have no todd hard we have no actor and we have no P WE HAVE NO JP Gebran end up getting in touch with the right person. He's in the hospital. We get the ring back can't with him And and I had to write this thing like hey. I didn't want anyone to think that we were casting people who are ending up in the hospital hospital anyway so I had to like covered offers a family thing and something happened. Car Accident and You know it was an accident. It's not like it then. We had to get gas. Ronnie we need you to candy. Needed him to convince Marshall do it. Ronnie and Marshall were good friends with Todd. So that's how I ended up finding out about this accident that todd had so I was like oh no and he felt really bad so I was like you know what I want you to play the part but I want it to be you and your brother. And he's like I don't know if Marshall is GonNa WanNa do it you gotta convince him convincing. He's like Al's like like this is how much it pays paid. Well so he's like and it's only going to be six hours hours of your day or a full twelve hours but just please please please. You could do it together. You could do it together. We shot the first scene with Ronnie and Marshall in the second scene later in the movie when he goes back to get the ring we were under a time constraint and we actually couldn't cover three characters so we had to cut one person and had the Marshall Marshall. It's a naturally I go up to Marshall. Listen next thing. We're actually GONNA ask you to do it alone without without Ronnie. And he's very tied to his brother and he's like he pulled me aside and goes he's like you you know this and we're basically like I'm not doing this. Ronnie isn't okay with it and just like because it was his part was getting cut down Ronnie cared about movie. Yes so he's like I don't WanNa take. This is not my thing. This is his thing. I'm not GonNa do this if he's not okay with it. I'm just letting you know that is like I totally respect that and I understand because that would be the same way so we instinctively wrote a new scene for Ronnie. Yes ended up cutting not on purpose. I wasn't his fault. It was like literally tried to shoot the district before we were ready so literally there. Some people in front of the cameras couldn't use any of the footage was disaster. Anyway so we we. We shot that and Marshall improvised the greatest line. The movie bobby always just going to bring that size that because we said two like why care about this guy yes you do care known forever. And he said Okay and this isn't that I seen him with Scott Jaffe and and it seems like the end of the movie where they trade rings and says the Howie. He goes. Booby are you. Okay okay. That's going to be going. What's going on and just that moment of concern and warmth outside of the haggling all the bullshit? It and stuff like that. It was almost like I did that. Marshall was like a vision of like what how he could be or turned into out all the shit and insanity And it's it's one of the warmest exchange. What else is great about it? Is he handled the shit out and got the ring. He's like you're not GonNa have a third ring. I'm getting the extra percent how much that Knicks ring means to Whoa. Something's going on in his life. There's what's crazy about. This Marshall's Yeah that's amazing about that moment is like that was like the second day we were shooting in Sandler's like so prepared for this part but now he's going in and he's acting opposite real jewelers and this whole time. He's he's like pretending you know in his mind I'm pretending to be Howard and pretending to be a jeweler. When he was going up against those two you could see Santa was really like psyching himself up like he he was gonNA bring it because now I have to go in and prove myself to these real jewelers and I gotta be real also and then on the other side you have these two guys they have to bring it an act opposite Adam Sandler so you have this cool kind of incredible alchemy? That happens just because you're using first time actors in that moment but I remember there's just like a one of the things that can only really happen with somebody who's like acting for the first time when we said to to Marshall. Okay this is we want you to make it. We want you to be really fast. You want to like really like almost four spell routine back and forth back and forth when you're going through this haggling so you've got to really make a quick and so he's like okay okay. I got it so when he does the scene and he gets to the moment where he has to haggling goes okay make it quick. And then he just like that's like he took what we told them he direct s make it quick and then one of the best make quick as part of his dial which is incredible. So you get like the fun part about this movie and then discovering all of these non-professional electors discovering their lives. They like as the exists now through instagram and one of the funniest ones. That is the other guy who's like sort of starts out as a a sandler protege and his Avi Jewelry. Yes Oh sorry. Yeah because there wasn't Avi in the script at one point but Maqsoud sued tracks tracks. NYC Yes so. He's I guess I just. I just found his instagram. which is amazing? I don't know if you guys saw this. But it's like he's doing his jewelry almost like a QVC jewelry presentation on instagram and he starts talking about the Qassim Suleimani assignation. Yeah and he goes. He's going to. He's in sort of like gold robes. Sound like a manic. And he's like I'm GonNa tell you about this shit. I don't know you heard about like this. This guy I don't know what the fuck the news is telling you about this bullshit Afars. I got to know sometimes. You've got to do what you gotTa do anyway. What's really important goal road got for you here? That's what's to go these days. You know what's educational about. It is the way he wraps it in. He's basically saying his cool thing that Max does all videos it is. He's educating people on the diamonds. Don't really like it that much. He's educate people so he's basically giving that preamble about the Sasser to let you know that that the goes price of gold went up. Yeah she's like chains connected. Yeah he's all about like jewelry he did with your own things. Calm calm down. He's like I just lost four hundred dollars on this piece of goal. And he he. He's literally showing the connection between at all. Well yeah he's he's Maqsoud is great he did. We auditioned listened almost half of the diamond district for that role and that was a very coveted role amongst jewelers. And when we went with Maqsoud there was a lot of people. Were upset about it. You know because there were the people who are much can say quota bigger jewelers than him And they thought they deserved that part. Just because of the pedigree that they have in the Diamond District Maqsoud in his audition. Just he's he would write these monologues to come in and do and like we knew there's that monologue scene when he's looking through the fish he just is that I believe in he is the gets angry. He like. There's a level is like a tone to his voice and holds his breath. There's like there's so many things that he's doing that are just I. You can't make that up and he's he's he's awesome so finally of the of these heroes. I'm talking about the finally a- another absolute king the best in this movie Wayne Diamond the berries you find this and then you discover. I've followed him on instagram. That's great smashed that follow but this guy is living his best light. He is incredible how and like he's really did make all his money in the garment industry. Just it's a little bit of across down. Yes he waned diamond. Sebastian was at dinner. He's away Wayne also embellishes. The stories are unbelievable global wanting to one person newest since we were ten I love everything is one hundred times one hundred. You know what I mean. And he he. He was at a restaurant. He's the loudest guy at the restaurant and CBO's just like this guy's amazing so immediately struck up a conversation with him starts at. How'd you make your money? It's like Oh Meyer Lansky mealy gangsters quick to say that And and then. I did the same short-lived podcast CBO. We did one with Wayne and It was it was it was awesome. It was a lot it was awesome and at one point we were trying to get them to pay for the movie movie and we were we. Were going to be like. Maybe we'll make it. You'll be Howard Sandler. We were trying. It was an attempt and was just someone we just kept in in the back pocket and we would start writing for him and he in the helicopter sequence was had. I was me the camera. We couldn't fit. Anyone was mainly camera person and he's petrified of flying Wayne petrified so the whole time I I thought he was going to Piss himself and I don't like being when either so we're in there and he it was basically. We wrote some dialogue and I was like. Let's just go off on it. I was like just basically be the most ostentatious garish rich person. You can imagine say well could be the best at that So we got up in there and there's a whole thing you can't hear any of the dialogue because our sound person person kind of fucked up that day wasn't Benny and But it was a he was like she was. She's looking out the window because look at that traffic down there and this is the the best. I you know what I actually have my own helicopter. He goes to do this because I get to meet people. I let the guys in the hangar. He goes this is better. You get to meet EP interesting. People like yourself. You're like an artist. What are you an artist? And she's like no what are you doing. He's got boyfriend. She keeps looking at those houses. They're still small. How can you live in the house? That's totally normal. House goes me me immediately. He's like me. I don't know what I got all this money. I don't know what to do with it. I I got I got I just bought a two hundred twenty five million dollar apartment in TRIBECA. He goes so many rooms. I haven't even seen the rooms yet. He goes my wife. She's just she's got a two hundred room house and the in Greenwich Connecticut. I don't even want to step foot in anymore. And when he has like he's like oh I gotta get showered he goes on this whole other tangent. That's none of the music. I'm the best that challenge our the way I wash the cleanest you'll ever get. Take him when I take a shower. No part of me is dirty. No one washes better than me. And then that's actually we wrote in the script says that he was nude and when he's blow dry I got nothing against that and then he goes. I was like dude. You're being the classic creepy me to do like you have this. Is it your doors. Open your showing her. You're naked like you're trying to break the boundary and he goes. I'm okay with doing the. I don't care about that. Our great newt he goes. I look the best in a towel goes. No one looks better than me in a towel. It really really does this. Give me this is making me realize something for the first time that there is. I mean this may be the social fabric of America but there is some sort of ancient liars link between like Jewish men and like contemporary like Ohio. I appeal exact same type. It's the exact same shit shower. Yeah pick one is that is seventy five year old Jewish man. Let me be strict or guy from fucking Columbus who licks APPANAH residue off of t sir. I believe that he's the best shower. Probably mid western Jewish synthesis here to get your entire identity brain rainbow exactly. Well we got to wrap it up here so I guess I'll just finally conclude by last not least Julia Fox. She thinks she would hang out with US sometime Julia. I did one of those guys. Were there to use a great. You should have on the show. She's amazing I think we you could do that. You should ask all right. Bring them both on Eric Is. It's amazing I talk raiders when my favorite fucking got off that same fucking energy. He's real cool the look menacing. We saw Elliot cool that like the premier came to see the movie California split one of like. Oh my bet yeah and I was like Oh my God I was like I say. Did you see it all out. Did you see it all out there like the because I saw it all. He's felt it all go by the way as as a great collection of blown glass that he's blown up there but they're like it's awesome now like the one that you should. They'd have Eric and Julia. The one profile that we had on the didn't run on us because we were in L. A.. And they're asking us. What our favorite? La Movie was. And I was so happy. It didn't run RON because we're all on edibles and I wanted to like a three minute. Monologue about Elliott Gould by or whatever but now it's being has the same energy he's the only in La Quilt. He would've said waist-deep game interesting. I've never seen ways. So don't I don't think I have either like out there. La Movie so yeah. I'll close by saving myself from embarrassing whistle further with Julia Me Fox by shut us to Catherine. Who did I think? Coin that this is the Europe it goes in yes absolutely yeah between succession and yeah and then this is back. Maybe he trusted US and like it was amazing. So cool but you guys. I just got coming Josh of any south. Do you think you so much. Thank you so much for uncut. You moving thank you guys all absolutely loved it and if you listen listen haven't seen it yet. What the fuck is lower than a pig really talking idiot walking walking idiot? Yeah uh-huh clean in.

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Episode 244 | I Cant Tell Whats Good Anymore

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Episode 244 | I Cant Tell Whats Good Anymore

"This is the ivory comics guests. I'm your host Mike Rapin and with me this week or two just stupendous human beings. I have Silio. Hello and Paul J. Saly hello thank you both for joining me this week in thank you everyone out there for listening. I know I don't say that enough at the top of the show. I'm saying this week. Thank you so much for your time as always but it's wild times. Lots of things are changing constantly. It seems as if comic books are coming back question mark. Who KNOWS WE'RE GONNA find out very soon? Probably not this week on the show but in future episodes. So let's just move on. Let's let me ask the question. I ask every single week because I gotTa Hav you've been how comic books Ben let's start with UTA. I have been so let me know right. Yeah well I time doesn't really mean anything anymore so I could actually tell you when I've read these but I have read The first handful of issues of the Lou Kratz Nice. I don't remember if I read one two and three or just one into and saw the cover for three. I can't as I said nothing new. I don't know who but it's coming out on the twentieth. I think I or at least that is what the new image releases say so. Everybody should definitely read this. It's Karen Gillan and Jim Rossignol. Writing and art is Jeff Stokely Tamra bond villain. I think Jim was originally GonNa do the art and then like stuff happened and I feel like I'm really pleased with how it all kind of like landed because Jeff's Doklam perfect for this book and hammers colors are just so like just the the whole tone of the book is extremely fun and vibrant and like so much painstakingly bizarre detail. It's just perfect. It's so perfect. Yeah the preview pages I've seen for this look wild and fun and I'm so excited to have this book in my hands. Yeah it will. At least my digital hands probably. It's totally ridiculous. Just full tilt fine. And there's I will warn you. There's a lot of penis in this book. Okay okay a lot of really raunchy jokes but again like the ludicrousness of it is such that it it does. It's there's nothing like uncomfortable or exploitative about it. It's just like hilarious as of basically like the the story is that auto and professor. Haiti's who who are is auto is the great big giant character with the spite belt buckle and professor. Haiti's like the little biddy tiny one with the late. Pointy hair and the glasses and the go-to wedding slash execution and I- motto falls in love with a a lady there who is subsequently like Arrested so he goes to rescue her in like disgusting ludicrous fashion. It's amazing so that's been fun to read. I've also been reading So Simon Hanson is posting Megan MOG comic strips on his instagram every day and they are so fucking brutal like I literally did not think this book could get any more lake dark but holy Shit. Oh good it's I will what everyone that is coveted related like it's about what's happening with Megan Mog and owl and and everybody in quarantine and I mean like the last the bad gateway which was the last Megan. Mog Book was like did kind of take more of a dark turned on some of the previous books and so ended it is in continuity with the stuff that has happened already the comic strips that he's posting and you're just like God Damn Okay. That makes me both scared and excited to remorse What about you Paul? How have you been? He'd been reading? I've been good. I've been able to convince myself that it's okay to just read comics all day. You know to be to get to a point where that was my routine instead of my normal routine but So in that sense I've been reading a ton of stuff a couple of things in particular I wanted to talk about since the most recent I read Superman opened the sky. This is the story that Tom King wrote with art by Andy. Couvert Colors by Brad Anderson and Clayton Kohl's on letters. This is the story that King and couvert were doing for the DC Walmart hundred. Page whatever's awhile back. It's finally been collected in a collection guided my hand digitally and You know I was curious. I wanted to read in Autom- King Superman Story. I've read Tomkins Batman. What's Tom King? Going to do with Superman and a big story like this. And this is a very tom king comic and sometimes it doesn't quite work with me and other times it does So this was a very mixed bag from a really. I liked the premise of it and the theme of it. Which is that. Superman is trying to find a younger who had been kidnapped and taken into space so the whole his story is him trying to on this girl and every chapter is a reiteration of the fact that Superman's greatest strength is physical or superpower is that he never gives up no matter. What the the the cost or whatever. The problem with that is that The each chapter sort of functions individually. And you don't really get a sense of the overall story is soon shows up on a planet. There's some terrible challenge or obstacle overcome. He does that. Then you're often the next chapter. There's no connective tissue. Like why goes from one planet to the next is never explained? Really? So it's like a series of vignettes rather than the story and it plays into time king sort of like his gimmicky bag of tricks. Mike you've read his Batman right so I was gonNA say yeah so does Batmans somewhere. Know why you're never gonNA know why and you know the thing where he does the one issue where. It's all splash pages with dialog boxes on it like he does that. Oh yeah there's there's a couple of chapters which are clearly dreams you feel regime with the last page and like this probably would have read better week to week or month to month but reading it all in one go. Those ticks became kind of annoying to me Anyway there is stuff I liked. I think the like I said the theme of is really good. He came does do the big superman things. You're supposed to drink the story. He he meets up with dark side confronts him. There's the superman vs flash race. Which you know is a old standby so none of it's bad. It's just I think the it was a microscope or a magnifying glass on the things. What time king that. I sometimes find annoying in his writing. Woolsey the last chapters really great. When you finally get Superman doing superman things like punching dudes. Really hard like yeah. That's kind of what I wanted so finally get that but over I did get the sense. That was a story that new of supposed to be big important but Tom King tries to subvert the tropes to a point where it doesn't feel important at all if that makes interesting that said. I did out of curiosity going look up route reviews of it after. I finish it. Because here's what other people thought. And basically every view I saw was completely glowing says the best man stories of the decade. So your your mileage as they say may vary so sure The other thing I read another collection that popped up recently Digitally was the DC. I issue special collection. Now if you don't know what this is back in the mid seventies they Comeback Market was in a slump as often as apparently and You know they realized the The thing that was always sells consistently as I issues so someone pitched maybe as a joke to Carmine Infantino was publisher of DC. At the time that they should do a series at all. Just I issues so they did that and so you have thirteen number one issues published under the banner of DC First Digital Special this range from seventy five to seventy six and It's a very mixed bag. Obviously since his every issues basically introduction to character or revamped character and the idea is that readers would write in and say. Hey here I want WanNa see more of this character. I like this story. Bring this back in a regular series so there's some really good stuff in here You get three Jack Kirby issues. He does atlas Which is basically a retelling of the Greek myth of Alice. Obviously and then Manhunter which is great and then the Ding bats of dangerous street which is a comedy strip which is really interesting. Okay Steve Dicko revamps his character. The creeper for this Bob Haney and Ramon afraid and do a metamorphose story. They created more back in the mid sixties. And this is a reintroduction the character But my favorite book though. I'm only halfway through it but I needed to talking about one issue in particular because I loved it so much. I'm not sure if I was supposed to or not. But that is lady COP by Robert. Canadair John Rosenberger and Vince Coletta. Lady COP is about a young lady who is a cop and that's an turns out. She's the most awesome character. I've ever read so this right away from the get-go this title somehow feels offensive. Right come on come on. So so. Here's the thing I again. I'm not sure if I was supposedly like this. I'm not sure if it's a good comic but I enjoyed the hell out of it and I had a great time reading it. Okay this story is at. It's about a young woman named Liza Warner. She witnesses the murder of her roommate. She's hiding under a bed while her roommates are being murdered and she Thinks that she can find the killer because she remembers what kind of boots he was wearing. Okay Wall she's giving her testimony the wo-. The police officers taking her like account says we could use some more women like you on the force so she enrolls in police academy and then graduates and becomes a police officer and the issue is basically her on the beat one day and lady cop is basically a superhero At one point in the story during the graduation from police a disgruntled former police officer shows up with a grenade and throws it lady cop catches a live grenade in mid air in like throws in a trash cans. So it doesn't hurt anybody. I mean it would only have been better if she had happened to have a baseball bat in her hand and I had batted it back at him right right out from there you have her like taking Down Street. Gangs breaking up drug dealers One point she rescues a woman who's being served battered by her boyfriend and then the woman runs away before she can give her testimony and lady cop the next day over. Here's the same woman on the pay phone in the street talking to someone that she's worried that she might have venereal disease. So Lady Cop Tracks woman down which is a giant hippo violation of course Tracks her down and says. Don't worry we can get your treatment not the end of it. She's able to convince a woman not to kill herself because of her venereal disease And that's kind of issue ends With her the whole while this is happening lady cups always proving to partners that she's just as tough as they are So you haven't comic. That is attempting to do a sort of Progressive Social Commentary. But in the most ham-fisted way possible. So I right I again. I don't think it's a particularly good comic but I I read it twice because I liked it so much and I don't know what that says about me or or anything else but anyway unfortunately the cop doesn't come back would love to get a revamped new version of lady COP SO DC comics. If you if you're looking for something new bring back lady cop. I think she deserves a second. Look as were Well I think we've all discovered that Paul needs to stop this constant comic reading all the time because it starting to melt his brain this in school and look. What's happening to Paul good or not anymore? I can't come from bad comic if it's good to you. That's that's all that matters if you enjoyed it. That's that's all that matters for me I have been doing okay All things considered I am simply just dying to leave my apartment not that. I don't like it here that I don't like my cats. Are you know Kelly or anything like that? I just want to be somewhere else for an hour but I think a lot of people are at that stage but beyond that I have been reading lots of Manga but I decided I would not read. I would read something else. That was a Manga us so I sat down and I did read some Manga. This is drops of God volume four and five with written by. Tadashi argue with art. By Shuo Kimoto. We read this for the Discord Book Club. This past week Thank you forever when that came out. That was really fun to talk about wine. Drops of God is a story about wine. I've know that I've talked about a ton on the show so I don't know if I need to go into it. But for those who don't know brief overview our main character. His Dad was a former wine critic. The type of person that could influence the price of wine across the world he passes away and says the only way you can inherit mike two billion dollar wine estate two billion dollars or two billion yen. I guess estate full of wine and a mansion and all this stuff is if you find these twelve special winds that I've described in my will as well as the one that I'm calling the drops of God. It's the best or his favourite wine and he's only going to give them descriptions on it So it's him and his very recently less than two weeks before his dad died adopted brother. Who's a full grown adult? They are competing against each other to try to find these winds and his brother is this. Also well renown film critic or excuse me. Wine critic But our main character knows nothing about wine. In fact he works at a beer company. So hijinks ensue. I'm in volume four and five. These are the comics. Algae original reprints that cut the volume Lincoln half compared to the original printing from vertical comics. That means about about technically halfway through volume three of the original Bron that came out. Unfortunately the original run only lasted four volumes. So eight volumes in total. It's a super bummer. But luckily comics has picked up and I think they are planning to publish the whole thing right now. I think twenty three or twenty four volumes are out which is really really cool. It's a forty four volume series. So I'm I'm very excited to read through all of it nonetheless. A lot of magic has happened in this series. This is a very realistic series about wine. That does a very good job. Educating the reader about wine but so far a family business has been saved. Thanks to wine. A woman's Amnesia was cured. Thanks to wine. Two old friends who hadn't seen each other in many many years were reunited because of wine. This book has everything and I know that it's only going to get wilder as the series goes on so I'm very excited to keep reading. We are still only in French wine for this series. They're going to go further into exploring Italian wine and Ustralian wine and American wine. There's forty four volumes here. Folks can't it's a wild ride. I love it so much and I'm glad that we got to discuss it on the discord because it was really fun to hear everyone. Just Kinda goof off about the how ridiculous. This book is beyond that. I also read the flintstones volume one. This is the DC. We just required Hasbro so we got to put out something about with all these properties volume. This is written by Mark Russell with art by Steve Pugh and Chris Chuck Berry With letters by David. Sharp and a friend of mine. Who doesn't read a lot of comics? Pedantically tries to lecture amoeba comics. A Lot says that this was pretty good too. I snagged it in a sale. Awhile back along with volume two to say to see what was really up to see if this is actually as good as they claimed An own all. It wasn't bad. It's a series of one off stories that have a lot to say about the quote unquote world while twisting the Flintstone characters into modern and darker versions of themselves It's somehow doesn't lose like the whims of -ality of the original cartoon. So if you don't know anything about Flintstones I'm not going to explain it to you. I just want you to Google it and just watch the opening of the flintstones and then watch the jetsons and then winter tinfoil hat folks because they're in the same universe but beyond that I really I keep saying beyond that whom I nick. The series is pretty fun Bam pebbles. They're teenagers Barney and Fred. Apparently in this great war that was fueled by nationalism. Nationalism Wilma is an artiste like she stays at home and she paints like hand. Paintings like you would expect from like The Caveman Times or whatever but hers or different. Somehow there's a whole issue about it's very interesting and mister slate. The the guy who runs the quarry bedrock. The city they live in is based around is like this true scumbag. He's like very rich and he plays it up like he's a playboy but he's very very sad and depressed to the point where I was like. Wow we're doing this with flintstones and that's yeah so if you would've asked me Mike how would you write a flintstones comic and make it interesting because really? I don't know where else could have gone with this. I honestly would have no idea because I'm not a writer. Why are you asking me? But for this book. I think that the team doesn't excellent job of modernizing the series while keeping humor and dryness at the forefront. We don't get too deep into anyone character or story which allows for a kind of playful aloofness that you would expect from a comic strip or you know a cheaply made Saturday morning cartoon. I think that even though they modernized this book and they made it really like obvious that they were trying to take it in a new direction. It still has the charm of the flintstones and I was very surprised by that because here and things like I mean. I'M GONNA minorly spoil this series parts of this book but hearing things like the phrase Yaba Daba do is a mantra given to war vets to like basically yell and say out loud when they're feeling tense because of things that they witnessed in the war really changes the way. You look at Fred Flintstone when he's constantly saying in the fucking TV show. So I thought it was like again there. Are these things that are really dark and kind of humorous and I think that you can have a good time reading this book like I never felt bored because the way that the series is structured is just like a little one off issues. That kind of tied together Is really really clever. I shouldn't say really clever but it's really fun and it's easy to read. I would say that this definitely is not a book for everyone like it's got a lot of political jabs in Knox religion materialism and all that it's right there in your face. They are not trying to hide it. They get really really serious about taking an analogy is for for like actual real human people and injecting them into the story and then constantly making fun of them or making them the butt of some jokes just to express some believe for something trying to say in the book they did a whole issue about how marriage between monogamy is the weird thing in the world because people in Caveman Times or whatever they were all poly-amorous I don't know again. It's a lot of crazy stuff. But I I think for an off-the-cuff read. I think it was pretty decent. Is I'm GonNa probably read volume to because there's only two volumes. I don't think I could read an ongoing of this but For for the two volumes that they've got. I'm bored. Finish it up. Yeah I really liked IT I. It's far better than a flinstones. Comic probably has the right to be. I was really stunned much. I like that. So Yeah Yeah. Yeah because the alternative is that like DC just tells a sixty s era or seventies era flintstones story with the same old cartoonish style. And I think that that could work if you're trying to sell to a younger audience but clearly with all their Hasbro works would have just like. Hey how can we make this like Batman the damned but it's Flintstone? Let's get right. Yeah I mean without going into the putting into their black label or whatever. It's still just like they. Were trying to modernize it. I think they did that with a lot of their other stuff and it worked out pretty. Okay like snuggle push. I think was supposed to be very good. I have to read that. Yeah me too so yeah so I guess beyond Comex how? What have you guys been into outside of things? I'M GONNA I'M GONNA toss back to you Tia. What have you been into when you're not sitting down reading comics? Well I know what's coming and I'm very very excited. I actually have two things. But they are under the same umbrella as You know I don't know I don't really talk about that much but my partner lives in l. a. and so we have better long distance relationship and flying back and forth to see each other like every six weeks or so We have not seen each other since January and we don't know when we will see each other again and it sucks a lot about stuff so we've been doing a lot of like basically just like living our lives together on virtually chat Virtual video chat and to the two things that we have just been like obsessed with that we've been doing together constantly are Well the first one is everyone knows that I am super gymnastics right not and He is super into like so we do a thing. Where will each pick like video on Youtube? Like all pick Luca gymnastics meet. He'll pick a fight and wool. Lake take turns watching them together and like commentating for the other person. Oh it is ben so much fine and like honestly when the quarantine and you know. We're going to keep doing this in person. And hopefully we'll be able to actually go to fights or good gymnastics meets in person but like we you know and and we it's like you know we know about it. Now you know He. He knows he's like sorry to understand some of the nuances of watching gymnastics. And I'm starting to understand some of the nuances of the fighting and so like it's just that's been a really fun thing that we've been doing together and I yeah. I don't know if there's lot of sports fans out there but anyway the other thing that we've been doing is just sounds really cool. I just want to say the two sports. That are very very far apart. I think that's really cool that you guys have. Our Youtube Algorithms are very confused. I believe that he can the other thing that we've been doing like okay. Look we don't I personally do not have any band with her attention. Span right now Trash reality TV is about all I can manage and okay so we have been watching a show on. Tlc called Ninety Day fiance. There are approximately one hundred and fifty thousand spinoffs. So there is so. The premise of ninety day fiance is that If you are engaged to someone who is not an American citizen. You can apply for a K. One visa which lets them come to the United States for ninety days. And if you don't get married before the end of the ninety days they have to go back to their country so as you can imagine. That causes a lot of problems for these couples like. They can't work while they're here. They can't do anything really so you know. They're like totally dependent. On their American fiance they. There's all sorts of flake in many cases culture clashes and differences of religion and thirdly totally isolated. They'll have their friends and family here with that. Like you know it's very drama and then there's always that relative the whose leg you're just here for a green card and they're like bitch. I want to go home. I left my friends and family to come here. Though so in the in the show are they like taking their fiance around to meet their friends and family and stuff like now that they've come from wherever country they came from to America. Not necessarily like a a formula for this. Show it just as kind like every case is a little bit different but yeah they're like in most cases meeting their friends and family in preparing for the wedding and also most of them have never really lived together. Lake a lot of them met online but also there are a good lake number of them. Who met when like the American person was traveling abroad or something like that so their relationship is mostly taken place either online or on vacation or in vacation like setting so the show was like the first time that they're living together at normal life. Okay yeah so as he could but the but the the real fun of this show is the spinoffs. There's ninety day fiance the other way. Where the American moves to their country. Superfund when the person lives in lake a country that is extremely different from the United States. I think I've seen clips from that. There was a guy really short guy who went to like. I think it was Cambodia or something and he was just confused so if I think you're talking about big Ed who think young that is actually a show called before the ninety days which is lured. The couples are not officially engaged yet. So yeah but often it does involve the American going overseas to to visit. Because I think the in order to get the K one visa you have to have lake. Spent actual physical time together So yeah he goes to the Philippines. And that's why it's not going great for ED. I have to say he is going great for him And the before the ninety days is also a wild show like there was one where there there's this lake nineteen year old American girl from Ohio who converted to Islam and then went onto like a Muslim. Dating APP. Met a guy from Syria and got engaged to him on lie and so they like meet up in Lemon and get married and now she's like Oh right. There's a travel ban. I- Syrian husband cannot get a visa to come to the United States. So I guess I moving to Syria at her mom's like Pause okay so this is just. Tlc's bundling show is amazing And then there is like a quarantine special. That's going on right now. That's actually kind of devastating because a lot of these couples are You know do two visas and Quarantine. Lino like separate for an indefinite period of time. It's really sad but there are so many there's categories of people on these shows that are fascinating like there's always a lake fifty something year old man with a Ukrainian twenty five year old girlfriend who he met on this website where you just like send them money all the time and these these men will set up these elaborate vacations and the women will just not show up and they'll be like Oh. Jeez she her was her mother's birthday she couldn't make it. You're just like oh honey. There's no but then conversely there are all of these fifty year old women from the South who have these twenty year old boyfriends from either the Middle East or Africa. You're just like Okay yes okay okay. So what you're saying is that this is going to be the next big watch party that we do as group honestly just the most fascinating thing and I'm it's getting a little more crazy. Now that it's been on for a while and people are really ensuite but In the early days it was it was more had more of a documentary. Feel Ya Gotcha. I I've been tempted. I've seen I've seen clips of this and I'm like maybe I do. I take the plunge do I just do it in say like this is what I'm doing with my time. Now they're like. Yeah that's that's kind of what I figured. So maybe I'll check them out and get back to you on it just to let you know where my thoughts are like. It makes us feel better about our situation because like we could relate to the you know the unfairness the distance and all of that stuff. But then we're also just like God at least not that much of a train wreck. Great the Paul. What about you what are you? What are you going into BS besides comics? I've been watching a lot of stuff which is kind of Nice. I usually don't have time watch as much. Tv or movies. As I would like so now I do have the time I did plow through the first season of what we do in the shadows. The effects show based on the film Which is surprisingly light. I'm basically the only person in the world who didn't like that movie Oh my God i like that movie either. Okay okay good okay. I felt like it was so popular and being talked about among comedy circles with reverence and Mike. I didn't like it but the show is so much better. I think maybe that concept of a bunch of ancient vampires trying to live you know In the United States in our modern world worked better as a Sitcom than it does. Ninety minute movie. I just don't think that director knows how to make a feature length film and I am speaking of other popular films as well. Well you and I are on the same page. That's maybe the first time that's happened. He's you guys can send your email directly to beat. Podcast EDGE DOT COM. And I will make sure that in Paul never see it. I will die on this hill. He is good at sketch comedy. Not Films Okay. Okay Hence Paul. I see that Paul is correct. The this show is better. Yep Yeah so I really enjoyed. I will say that the first season I really enjoyed like I think it was the first two episodes of season two so far and it wasn't clicking for me as much And I don't want to assume it's because Tom Scharping host of the best show work on the first season. Not The second. But that's part of what I'm assuming is the case why does for me but Other stuff I've watched. I finally bit the bullet in sign up for the criterion channel so film buffs. No the criterion collection. Is Sort of a cataloging and what's wrong. Restoration of classic films they sort of Create a sort of a collection of films that are important culturally or aesthetically and It's flatter foreign films out of our house stuff but they have a nice cross section of film history there. And if you're film buff like me. It's a great resource to watch that stuff so I've been watching some classic movies over there I watch throne of blood by Akira. Kurosawa came on nineteen fifty seven. That's basically his version of Macbeth but set in feudal Japan instead of Scotland. Fantastic movie Watch police story that Jackie Chan Rhone directed in nineteen eighty five. That movie is fucking awesome. I loved it so much. I love that movie. Yes Oh great. And then I watched the age of innocence. Martin Scorsese's nineteen ninety-three adaptation of Edith Wharton Book which is surprising. I never seen that before because It it's by Martin. Scorsese I love dearly and features well known a writer who has my eternal all-time number one subject crush. I never somehow never watched the venison's until now and it's great It might be top-five Scorsese for me. I might have to Rewatch it actually. It's been fun to go back and actually give myself time and patience to sit through all the stuff and Funny Watch. Movies have been my to watch list for a while. So very nice. Yeah and on top of that. I've gone back to doing collages regularly. I have live creative energy and it's tough to find time to do it and that's very stress-free relaxing thing to do If you in your in the same boat so get those old magazines in your glue. Stick Sark lodging. I guess I love how I'm like M. A. N. Trash reality. Tv and Paul's Lake collage. And the criterion collection we ever each. Each person has their different way of coping. The own comfort that they find in this stuff so yeah and mine is the most childish of the Mall Played Pokemon go for four hours yesterday straight because they the people who make the pokemon go game have figured out how to make it a game that is strictly tied to you moving and walking around playable from home so like you said we we each have our own way of dealing with things but it was actually pretty fun. I don't know I think that they've they've managed for people like me who really like that game and have been playing it like constantly. They really made it work for the most part. I think there's still some snags. But they've been adapting very quickly to the life of the world is shutdown and. I think that they've been able to convince people to continue playing which has been good but yesterday was a was an event that I had signed up for it was supposed to be in Philadelphia yesterday. Actually for this event that was like in life real life where you go to a park and you walk around do all the stuff and there are vendors that are specifically there from Polk Amman. And unfortunately that couldn't happen so they essentially said if you are a person that bought this ticket to go to this thing here you can play it at home and you can do all this stuff and catch these special version of pokemon and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. It was pretty fun. I did that for you. Know sitting at my desk for about four hours straight. Yeah but beyond that Kellyanne. I spent Thursday night building a standing desk for me so now I'm a fucking computer. Wizard who can essentially stand up and control the multi-diverse from a standing desk position. I don't know why it makes me feel so powerful but it truly truly does I. I did work where I had to migrate some domains from one registrar to another which probably means nothing to most people but you know if destroyed dot destroy destroy the cyborg dot com or destroy dot. Org stops working for you and your pod. Catcher is not picking up new episodes. There's something weird happening. Let me know but it should all be settled. That happened this past week. You know it's very fun nerdy stuff. I just find it really cooled to take all the knowledge that I haven't just go. Oh this is really really easy now. Compared to ten years ago when I was like I would cry because I couldn't figure out how to do something as simple as running a couple of commands in a terminal and on top of that I did watch birds of prey. Finally Kelly sat down to watch that and I really liked it. I think like as far as movies. I don't even want to compare it to DC because I don't think that that is a fair comparison anymore because it's train wreck over there instead. I think that birds of prey was just a good solid like action hero story. I think the way that it all came together was really fun. I don't think it's the best movie in the world. I think that there were some holes in it that that could have easily been fixed but on the whole it was very enjoyable film. I think the entire cast is fantastic. I really really really loved Mary. Elizabeth Weinstein coming in as hunters. It was probably the funniest moments in that movie Her just being hunters and being this awkward yet incredibly aggressive character all in one and she plays it perfectly and yeah I I had a good time watching it but also I sat down. Kelly and I sat down last night and watch the gentleman which is Guy Ritchie's latest film. This is Matthew mcconaughey and a bunch of other people whose names are escaping me right now. But it's it's another Guy Ritchie film snatch if you lock stock two smoking barrels if you like any other movies that he's done. This is another one of those and I think Guy Ritchie. I always worry would have have trouble adapting his kinds of stories to a modern era like cell phones immediately. Fix All the problems in his other movies. So how do you deal with a movie that it takes place in two thousand nineteen twenty twenty and they have cell phones and so? I think he does a really good job of making sure that everything is timed really well which has always been a feature of all his films. Timing IS INCREDIBLY CRUCIAL. So even with a cell cell phone just because you are able to send him a text message don't get in the car doesn't mean they have already gotten in the car so. I think that that's a really really cool thing about his about. That movie is that he still manages to make his whole goofy antics. Timing and stuff still work even in a modern age beyond just the awkward storytelling and Hugh Grant Beano Total Bozo for the whole movie. Which is very very fun does He. Hugh grant in this just of dumb ass position. I really had a lot of fun watching that. So that's what I've been into. It's been I've been trying to watch more movies and I've picked some good ones recently but yes. So let's let's take a break and when we come back we're going to talk about beyond movie adaptations industry and how Comics in general have impacted society in other media. So let's take a quick break and we'll come back with that for our show. This Week. We are talking about. How comics have influenced society and other media? And we're not just talking about movies here. We're talking about all sorts of different things so I guess to get things started. Paul use you of the three of us seem to have the most notes on this. So we're gonNA start with you. Where do you see comics influencing media in society and then t if you have some ideas go ahead and jump in whenever you want a polit start with you? What are some of your thoughts on this well right off the bat? I want preface with the big caveat that I'm not trying to lump in superheroes says genre with comics as a medium. I think I think. All too often get lumped together but agree. I think that superheroes as a genre that you know has become incredibly popular the past eight years in a fundamental part of our shared collective mythology. They wouldn't exist without comics there. Obviously sort of ancestors or influential predecessors in the pulp in science fiction magazines It's pretty obvious you know. Doc Savage Become Superman And that the shadow becomes Batman but with separate superman and Batman from those pulp characters is the visual dynamism of their appearance. Right so you I. I think. The the format and medium of comics lent itself to creating a whole new genre of storytelling. That as we've seen is become incredibly influential in financial lucrative and. I think we wouldn't have that without comics. And then Subaru has become a way for each culture in each time period to express their values through this different story telling whether comics or in a film but I think it is route is in action comics number one from nineteen thirty eight. That's where that begins so big picture. That's probably the most important Commercially at least four comics influence. Yeah I I mean I can absolutely say that and I think that the the strange thing about this is I think a lot of what we might be talking about. Today is probably Superhero based that beyond just superheroes because I think you know you can see superheroes in their influence all over right like even things like charity. Foundation artwork will have superman esque character flying across as someone that is like the the thing that is helping children or something like that. I'm more in specific. I think there's like a specific foundation that I'm thinking of that uses that I can't remember what they're called but they don't necessarily have any relation to comics or DC or anything like that but using that that that visual that image iconography just to show off like a some sort of superhero influence. I don't think that necessarily is completely found just in comics but it is i. Think the most recognizable in modern times The one the one thing that weirdly popped into my head though when I was thinking about this was pop video. I don't know if you guys watch that show back in the day on. Vh One Where they would show a music video and then they would pop up little blurbs and things like that you could definitely see I least I choose to see like an influence coming directly from comics. You know the idea of captions popping up in the middle of a book or a story and then to move that to a different medium to try to convey similar information on a moving picture. Where you're you're reading time is limited and maybe it's a music video that you're familiar with so it becomes a easier for you to take in that information but I think that that's like a direct spin off from from comics especially in the way that they present it and not to say the captions of the original thing just in comics. But I think that idea of of captioning things like that on the fly has heavy comic influence especially in that show where they would use thought bubbles and they would use different. Things that I think are very synonymous with comic books. I just missed that show. I thought that was a really fun. Thing background music videos were the only way to get new music right. Yeah Well Yeah. I think that's something we all have this our notes. So it's something we all pit on this idea that the visual language of comics has served transcended the medium and becomes a universal language. Everyone knows what a word bubble is where to sound. Effect is right so yeah yeah I guess like I took a little bit of a different interpretation of the topic because you know I. I think that the thing that comics have. That's unique. That can impact society and other media is that they put art with text which is a more multi-layered form of expression or communication than just one or the other And that but by having them together they can create shared languages of visual culture. So that eventually the image alone like can stand on its own with a single interpretation and historically comics have been used to create these shared languages of visual culture You know this is if you look at historical like pamphlets and broadsides and and things like that you know Eventually they can get distilled into these images that have a meaning that if you were not part of that moment and kind of eased into the R. N. text creating a a meaning by their interplay. You may look at the image and have not have the same and understanding of it. Because you weren't I kind of brought up in that context or conversely the the context becomes less potent. I don't know I guess like I was thinking of it. So much in terms of like movies or other media and more in terms of the way that we look at and understand images Yeah I think that's an important point too because that comics are far more accessible historically than maybe what we consider fine art or heart so I think the ability for a medium to have a sort of visual impact and to have that sort of influence on people you know. is incredibly important. Because it's more accessible right. I think again. That's something that Mike. You have your notes as well. This idea that comics influence on art in general and how we understand visual images how we interpret them can't be discounted right and inspect might be more important than whatever's hanging in the Louvre right now right since more people can see it right. I mean I think I I don't want to start getting my soapbox Right away but You Know Jack Kirby is arguably the most influential American Artists Post World War. Two right more. People have seen a Jack Kirby comic that have seen Andy Warhol Painting and he reduced he introduced pop art to a whole generation and chains a visual dime dynamism of our of art in comic books and art in general right and I think there's a Democrat ization of that that maybe you're speaking to tears idea that it becomes universal this way and it changes the way as a culture. We see things. Yeah I don't know if I would call democratization because I see it more as an elite creator. Classes cree is actively shaping the shared cultural language. It's so they're still an aspect of gate keeping in terms of WHO's allowed to make those meanings but I guess in terms of it. Disseminating an an an. It's actually useless to have high art. That is rarefied. If if your goal is to create the shared meanings yeah exactly. I think I hate that. We do hire and low art and part of that because I think comics are contrition considered low. Art are more impactful than was considered high art in terms of their. You know the number of people that interact with them. Yes so I think that the categories are useful but the names of them certainly are very fraught exactly. Well it's interesting. You say there's only someone who's been to the live once or twice I think it's interesting to think about the idea of this this thing of rarefied art when you have this something like. I'm only going to use this as an example. I don't know there's probably more influential paintings or whatever but you think is like starry night for instance something that I think you could. You could throw at any maybe adult and say have you heard of this thing and I think they would maybe have some idea or they've seen or if you showed it to them they go. Yeah I've seen that before but I just don't know where because it's a it's a painting that for some reason has existed for a very long time and has been recreated in many different ways and people are obsessed with it and you've got like al-Majid's and all these different things representations in different forms of art are like saying. Oh will I know that this thing is influential therefore I included as an image to say like? Oh I understand this or to just adds some sort of. I don't know like understandable. I know the difference between like what I'm doing and what this thing is and that something like that that painting or any any other thing like the Mona Lisa to go to the default painting that everybody knows exist because it's been included in so many things and you know the theft created this fame and all this other stuff. It's interesting because those paintings. I still have some sort of layer of influence but what they do is a single note right compared to something like a comic that is able to tell a whole story even in a single page you can do a lot more in terms of storytelling. I think than you probably with just a static painted image or statue or something like that But like I think the the the thing about comics is that their mass produce and they are available to more people and that they are more like you said more accessible that makes things sorry. There was a phone ringing and lost half of my thought. But it's interesting to think we would say that one is more influential than the other when I think that these things existed and they become famous and then people know about them but I think the key difference. There is that the ability to tell a fuller more in context story is available with a comic compared to a painting because there is just more dynamism inside of a comic. Because there's you break things up in order to tell a story versus painting probably is also telling a story but it something that requires interpretation and context. That doesn't come just from the painting. Does that does that. Thought make any thought or anything entirely a function of the way that we consume images. Though it's not you know I mean and also like if you look at medieval paintings or Parthenon friezes or things like that like. It's not always been that way and we also are not in a culture that teaches us how to a extract. The story from a single image. Because we're used to moving images were used to TV. Were used to movies where you know so I I think that third there absolutely is a story that you can glean from single image of fine art and Comic Books Tell You the story but on the other hand comic books tell you the story. It's it's a much more passive experience of getting story and in some ways I think that is Helpful because it helps to teach people how to read you know a visual language stay visual language ally at and what I mean by that. Is You know the ability to understand what the images mean in in a larger context in the connotations of the image ray And and I think that having the story really could have given to you. More in comics is a good way to help. People build up their ability to have a visual literacy. That will allow them to then look at you know a single image or an abstract image even and kind of walk themselves through pulling the story out of it but ya like going back to the distinction between high art and low art As much as we don't like those terms I think that one of the characteristics of higher is Thi- only certain people have the ability to understand the story but the that's required that comes from education right. That's from someone who has spent a lot of time studying these things and it's it's tough to say like oh I'm GonNa put you in front of this painting and you're going to get it versus someone who's spent years studying fine art and understands the types of things to look for in order to interpret that story. I think that's that's where the key difference. It's absolutely and I think that anyone can stand in front of an artwork and an understand it but they do have to. I think sometimes be encouraged to down and kind of be a have a formation that they're kind of on the right path because you just start not confronted with that sort of thing on a regular basis and You know whereas comics anyone can open up a comic and pretty much understand the story right right and I guess that's the point. I was getting out when I'm talking about The connection between comics and pop art. There's obvious connection because a lot of Pop. Artists Strip just copied comics in the sixties. But when you look at again I'll use Kirby's example. 'cause he's my go-to example for for good or bad. But if you look at some stuff in the fantastic. For the the visual language he invents to portray unseasonable forces cosmic forces. You know these these sublime ideas which seem unable to be captured in an image. He's finding a way to do that in that itself. You intuited naturally when you're reading the comic but that idea of how do I convert a concept into a visual idea and convey to an audience? I think that becomes part of you know pop art from then on obviously other comic artists cap slash onto Kirby dots this cosmic ideas. But like you're saying like that educational process Bingo sick this this. If you just look at the flat image in the comic the single panel it might not make any sense but in the flow of the story. You're learning how to interpret these signs for what they are supposed to represent and that becomes part of your education as an interpreter of art. Yeah absolutely and this is why I don't really see comex packing other media. That isn't visual lake. My don't really see what the value of audio comics is. That's like if you enjoy those stories in audio form like I'm not trashing that I'm just saying that those audio books. We already have them. I just because they have comic characters or comic storylines doesn't make them comet. You know what I wonder about that in a sense that because I agree. I think it's kind of a different John Genre. It's like it's a different medium like it is it is related is adjacent to comics. But it kind of is in the same vein of like. I don't know if you guys ever read about this or maybe turn it on by accident but there is like Netflix does a thing with some of their shows especially their original shows were they will have sub or audio audio layers or like an audio preference. You can turn on. That's not just English but it's also some in describing seen to you so as you're watching the show and it specifically for visually impaired like viewers Where someone is describing the way that obscene looks and the way that a character turns and all this other stuff as the dialogue is happening in order to allow people who can't necessarily see the screen kind of visualize things in their mind. And I think that would you say that that's not necessarily TV. I don't know because the it's still involves like the the streaming of the visual at portion of it whereas something like the audiobook version of locking key. I don't think you to kind of have the comic in front of you But I think that those types of things they they are comics adjacent and they are TV. Adjacent aren't the same exact medium because the visual portion of it is of crucial in a lot of ways and I think like I'm not trying to necessarily knock on like these these things that are like accessibility tools to allow people to enjoy the same media that we do with our ability to see inability to hear things properly And and even interpret like dialogue the same way right There are people that have this difference like they have different perspectives on things whether that'd be because of they visual parents or they understand English or they understand different language differently. It's interesting to say that they are. They are comics but yet they aren't comics in the same way because like the medium is very focused on these things are required in order for this to really be a comic but then when you break away from that ability to actually see and understand things the same way then the scope of what is actually a comic either grows or it becomes something different and yeah. I don't because I agree with you. I don't think you're getting the same impact from an audiobook version of comic than you would from visualizing it but if you don't have that ability to see or that ability to understand something the same way like does it have the same impact on you. That's that's the big question that I don't think we can necessarily answer without bringing in someone who knows a little bit more right but yeah I. It's it's definitely something that is a slightly different thing though. I think we're all like we all have in common. We all understand in a in a certain way. I don't know if it's necessarily useful to to think of it this way. Because when you're talking about lake an individual's experience that's a very different thing than talking about a cultural thing right like troop the macro and getting a little bit away from the topic. The macro and the micro are two totally different things so if the if the topic is how to comics impact. Cy in other media to me. That's a macro question whereas Ladru shoe. How can we make visual media accessible to people? Who are visually impaired lake that the macro element of that is like how accessible as our society. And that's a very important question. But the way the individual impaired p visually impaired people experience. Visual media is very much I think. An a micro level like an individual question absolutely. Yeah again. I wasn't trying to knock your. It's totally there. That's valid path to take the topic down. Yeah and in that case you check out our episode all about accessible comics. Because it's a very interesting discussion and there's a lot of people out there trying to make things work for people who have visual impairments and other things like that but I guess back to the topic at hand by my other thought was. I was going to kind of key off of something. Paul said I think like cartoons in general are like a thing that I feel like took the idea of comics and made them more motion. Because I think you could even say like to go back to Paul's point about fantastic for you know. How do you show something? That's not visible in a in a visual medium. And you do things like Kirby did where you draw lines in a certain way. Are you know in cartoons? Draw like an outline around someone that the characters in the show can't see the viewer obviously can see. It's hard to tell that story without being able to see something to show that that person is there but not there at the same time right right. It's a visual shorthand into visual language. That grows out of the accent the the necessity of them to do that in comic. I think in to a bigger point I think there is sort of circular influence between films and comics. Obviously early comics were highly influenced by film. You know sure they're both visual media. Now we see because of the limitless nature of comics to draw any type of action or seen you can imagine that becomes part of particular action SCI FI movies I think not even in the realm of adaptation just the visual dynamism of films has been influenced by comics. You know so Then another point to make on the flip side in the sense is that when I say comics is democratic medium. I also mean in terms of creators. Where because comics are sort of a low entry level type of art form. You don't have to buy a lot of paint to do it. You just need a pen and a paper you know. And as matter how many people see it you can express yourself in a very easy affordable way so that gave creators that might not have had a voice in a larger art context an entry point. I'm thinking of people like Howard cruise with his book stuck. Stuck rubber baby. Allison Bechtel even Harvey Pekar. That's a guy who never would have been an influential artists. But somehow comics gave him a voice. It became one of the most important creators in Comics History. So that creates a communist creates a space for people that might be neglected out of the larger artistic. God discussion a place for them to express themselves. Don't I mean on the other hand? It takes a lot of time to make a comment. Yeah that's true. Yeah I mean I for some reason I just wanted to throw out the fact that Jen. Tell a whole shoe line based off of birds of prey which I realize is the movie. But I thought that that's really fucking cool to see that level of comic like influencing a style like people will go out of their way like this is kind of my tangent to talk about. I feel comics influencing the way that people dress to a certain extent where you could do these like these like low level cost plays where you can just wear a color scheme of a character which probably isn't a new concept. But I feel like I've seen it more and more in relation to comex probably more cartoons as well where you see people like. Oh I'm an address up as low key doctor. Doom and I've got like a green coat on and you know my silver gloves and don't worry about the middle mass. That's just a normal thing. I could wear it as a person. I think that like the style of comics. I think when you especially when you look at creators like Jenn bartell or Chris or What's his name? Who did all the covers for the rebel? Rowling Books Kevin Lada. These people Kevin Water. They they draw things in such a way that people are like. I want to dress like that character. Even in their comic book character in it's realistic and it's very stylish. I like that idea of comics. Influencing fashion to a certain extent like let's make clothes come back. Folks are back mini. Cloaks back. I think but maybe I think many caves her back or we're back at some point I'm going to defer to you. You know way more culture in dress than I do but I feel like I've seen people where case I think. Sweatpants or back but Anyway do a sneakers panel. I Emerald City Comic Con with John and Chris and also I randolph. And a Ramon so yeah. It's definitely a thing. Is that this is a complete tangent. Is that a thing. Because they're all sneaker heads or because they all like believe in the fashion of sneakers as part of the greater comics culture little both. Okay okay well. Hopefully we could see that panel someday in the future once everyone is back to being outside sometime in the year. Two Thousand Twenty one but well to to expanding that point little bit Mike. I think that you see references to Comic Book Culture and Comic Book iconography in all types of design. You know and I think that's because people that are creative types artistically minded you know they their first exposure to art might have been a comic said becomes whether they realize they're not an influence throughout the rest of their career like sure how many hip hop artists are like referencing comic books and like using that visual media in their album covers you know becomes part of our shared collective artistic expression in a sense. Yeah M. F. do man m. f. one of the greatest rappers in my book. His whole thing is that he's Victor von Doom Right. I love it right so I think maybe that speaks to the point. We made where artists who are critically minded and just finding their voice. They might not be able to go to a museum or might not be interested in that but the appropriate a lot of marvel comics and that becomes their way of understanding Vigil Mirror through that regards so cool. I don't know what you guys have any final thoughts about this Any other ways that we want to talk about comics impacted society in media. I WANNA give my big. Maybe maybe two hippy. Dippy new age. Final Point here is that I think comics as a medium because they're limitless and are only limited by your imagination of what you can draw or create on a page that has ended in shape our shared collective imagination in a way that by our farms may be haven't so the world we live in now was built on the dreams of Jack Kirby and other creators like they gave us a sense of being able to think outside of our everyday world in a way that a lot of people were accessible Head access to. So that's my you know new age Joe. We're all one hippy. Nonsense share so I'll leave it that anything from UTA. I'll just reiterate that visual literacy is really important and comex are a really crucial tool to promoting visual literacy. Absolutely one hundred percent agree with both of you guys. We I guess You know thank you for joining me today. You can follow us all on twitter. You can follow portrait of Madame X. You can follow Paul at Ohio. Paulie and you can follow me at Mike rapin and the show at IRC podcast. Where I try to post on twitter and instagram pretty regularly. Today I posted a photo of my coffee mug because I do have a giant sized x-men coffee Mug and I love it to death. This show and our many a subscriber only episodes are powered by fans like you on Patriot on you can join now at Patriotair dot com slash. Rcb podcast. And if you haven't already please rate and review our show on any platform you find your podcasts. On if I would suggest me. 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Yeah so it's the same time that they're taking place. It's just capitalism this separating them yeah they live up in this guy I mean I I. I think that that is the funniest theory in the world. Because there's no real reason I feel like I've seen a youtube video where someone was like. No if you look at the background of the Flintstones you can see that there are just these towers that rise up and you don't know where they go. It's like okay. Sure but then but then also explains why the Great Gazoo that alien up on the flintstones right. There's some sci-fi element there so yeah which I thought that was a pretty. They did that whole issue about that and I was like. Oh Great Zoo. Galaxy break was dumb episode or issue but again it feels. It felt like a cartoon. Tv series contained contain the same characters. There was a minor development in the process as the show or is the comic slowly reveals more and more about this this war that Barney and fucking and Fred Flintstone participated. Yes Oh man gets real grim real real Graham real fast but hey Barney got son out of it so Whatever which I the whole Bam Bam having extra extraordinary strength I mean. Come on it. All it all clicks together pretty. Well exactly yeah.

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