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Ep 79: Tipped Out's Round Three Tips
"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and Girls Children Ages. Welcome to lie South's first episode of its time they. Algiers every week. Brand. A new segment called tipped out with lice. Every single week, giving out tips leading into the round of games, and it has been a long time when whiting, but we're happy to say around to is just around the corner justice. Twenty four hours at the time of this recording table I am I didn't think outside this, but I'm really excited to get back into the swing of things because we know, it looks like the crabs won't be coming back in a number of weeks, and so these a bit of a taste that we're going to be at the. Account do this all by myself. I have to have the CO host with the most. You know him as a man now in his old, but he's Johnnie. Wallace welcome and ready for a messy round of that action. I'm pretty excited about A. TOOK TIME TOOK DOWN WE'RE GONNA win nine, but it doesn't really matter. It's all about the football, and that kicks off tomorrow night. Seven Forty PM at the G, the calling would the magpies versus the Tigers of Richmond. Couldn't ask for better game to kick off the round on at the site. It's the only other game show. Father had any announcement of teams etcetera and I'll say one thing if you're Taibbi an anchor. You're gonNA feel a little bit stiff because your brain admitted. That went. And you've. You. Couldn't you just told me like a month ago? We're not gonNA play in the first round, but as the why and the getting a guy, but he's not playing. He's not plying mice and Cox. Hazel Slide Bang admitted. Did any other matter. DOC-, Karen coming into play. He's first guy for the pause Basharuli. Jack Higgins. Right story to come back after Brian Surgery amid several months ago. Going to be. It's going to be a belt over guy to get things on. The side, just big going full. Richmond the same trust. The APP, but you never know this swing. H., y., what are your thoughts? Yeah no I think you're I think including. Cool inject taking. Only makes. I and much stronger. medicine Cox admitted. I. Mean You know for the Million Times big deal. Good, Guy One game 'cause. I'm in a grandfather. And Gossiping, Cameron, in so that's good that that's the chance. I think Richmond GonNa win as potties. Yellow? August I'm just happy to see what what's going to got the got the pipe in the stains hyped i. put the fight crowd noisy and let the NRA l. done. They've done it beautifully second. Get it going. It's GonNa work well or be a complete schimmel on channel seven's Marin. Chit if he can get through the NFL APP. Subscription box tell wherever you get up. But Molly to shine on channel seven we going with Richmond in that first guy hidden a fraud I not June, twelve, seven, fifty, the in just to give that extra couple a ten minutes for people to get home from Jalal. GM HBA stadium, the of Jalala versus the whole. Even, have the. Also, what was the last time hopeful played down at Gelo? Off even fathom it on forty four can't even remember. Once again it's going to. It's going to be a bit of a toss up because I haven't been announced at this particular moment. Yup once again. I'm just having to go with the full law. Is that I'M GONNA have to go with delone because it's. It's damage alone. That's all I'm GonNa go with at this particular moment, but it is a bit of a toss of the coin gone. Yeah I. Think I think along at harm. It's probably trace strong M.. C. J., different, different game but I think you're the the long grand of of damage. Gary worked for too long, and it's a skinny of an I just play. It saw well in on. January mirrors injured so he won't be playing. So that just takes another call game that Meteo mountains on now it's Allie one, but he's pretty important to that group are distinct long getting back into time ago, and we not one of Walter's once again by Thomas. Agreeing along to eight hawks on fraud I. Now now we move into Super Saturday Super Saturday on way when he watch pips. What are we watching? What channel channels we can watch that on that one is going to be on the channel seven Foxtel, Ko, whatever you want to go with most of these are going to be foxtel or channel seven behind. If we're industry me and get onto maybe. Time TV at one saw he got to. Guard to sport lemon. That's another website that yards if you look at the ninety. Astray from a differential that we. Stuff ball, just pay. Tokens a month yet. Twenty Five Bucks I. Just do it attack Iraq riday. A. Day. It's ready to go. You can stream it to you to what more could you aspel? Cracking die of set die. Football starts one forty five PM at the GABBA coins lane. How'd central for a number of teams? Brisbane lines I gotta be taken on. The fremantle dockers. Look got a guy simply once again because I'm going with harm. Teams Guy with Brisbane Brisbane simply just GONNA be too strong up there for Fremantle are GonNa take him a wall to stateful ing? Shaikh it up! The full strength and I just think that. Brisbane, they Ghana guy tight these next four weeks on. And hopefully take full straight wins. Edit multi show what's going to happen, but I think going to be very. Why strong get Jesse, Hogan's made his way up to. Up to the Gulf coast, as well so fingers crossed, he won't be able to come back on these way. Couple of weeks, but a you can get back. He's had his issues but I think the prisoner. Yep I agree. I think about they are. Applying on what the Hell is GonNa work I Yeah, it has to be Let's say next to them, and that's gotta be live on Foxtel as well folks, elegant nickname, but guttural the other channels my already. Thirty five. PM Mile Stadium the home of the Super Heroes. And Count Cal Blues Says the Melbourne demons and I'll tell you what you know. Everybody knows melt big. Melvin supporter on Sorry Confidence Guy and Pack donkeys as well for because. Watch the doctor. Jekyll Mr Hyde of the I f. l all the forest gump box of chocolates. We just now what we're GONNA go and get straight. China's for the days toot trait, rivers and Luke Jackson to the dropping, coming into the food is the story that we spoke about last naught on Leisa out in February Jane. It was a cracking episode Lov on facebook and also on the podcast. Holly? Been Alexander Mikey's low awaited return against some of the footage on TV or check it on. The Internet broke down just with A. Jerk saw him at the fact he's. Diamond and close to us. It's got to be tough for them. Counting finished very relegates Richmond's lost Tom. Knight plied earlier in the season few in the rack. They're not going to have the not GonNa have crews of the GonNa have childhood. That decided I've got a debates and they've got that. Mennonite Patrick crews delayed late in the middle, so so it's GonNa be. Going to be toned for a just think pieces again at Melbourne. Half the win another other food than I were lost, and are they gonNA, do it ain't. They. They'll do from my be. Or to four goals at most. Oh God I am hoping that Nov and lose. My face right now, just thinking about him out of the losses like the G. crying small face. As mutually like I, just like this guy. If you lose you, win I'm happy, but if you lose, I'm even happier like. Honestly can't losing this guy. You can't lose an arcane and was nine what I've done. I've lost number on facebook page. You could see. ROBOT COP Chris Having. He's meltdown in the bay. As these guys law, so stay tuned on. The facebook prides because you could say. Strike after the guiding reactions. Depending on what happens, he ob? We'll leading into to two guys interestingly enough starting at seven forty, he m eastern on the first one, but in the Gold Coast Suns versus the West Coast Eagles. Stadium by these Games, the counting game and the The Gold Coast Guy Mogollon both on. Taio foxtail as with sparking voluntary so gear. I think west coast, simply going to be white, strong thyroid Brunel against the daisy man I put the Cuban. The RACA think after three quarter time I'm really excited by Gold Coast. For Gold Coast a lot of the young applies have sown from LAS G. Got, rail and Anderson who are going to be coming in brand ALYSSA'S GONNA play second line up. The Ukraine was gonNA play. He's taking up. And if I can keep that core together They've they've got a bright future implying. They next four games up on the coast. He's got to make it a bit easier for them to adjust as Walter. Book I just want them to be competitive. A young was going to be too strong and I just want I. Just want to say Dole. Coast gets mob synchronicity amongst the team. It'll that consistency. I am upset pets. About set. UPS. I think I think the Sun Lot role. West Coast okay. 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Got To be foxtel guide as well so be getting a bit of a everybody folks tell is good channel seven as bright, but Cayenne will have every game. Every week. Get on. Boxing think you're actually doing some sort of. I think the members where it's only four bucks for the next couple months so. Who not driving into work and saving money on view, put that money into a subscription. If you haven't got one already because you're GonNa get it well afoot of of Sports, coming up in the next few or meal one coming back, what are you back around? The wrestling UFC united and cracking documentaries across the board. We're not. We're not sponsored by them, but are also map. Get behind of his melting. We said as you said that there was again that you're exhaustible. which was the game of album this college? This is the one that all makes audible hold on. The short end number forty against the crow civil forty at the Adelaide I. Could you imagine? A, riot. That approximately two thousands. That light supporters of five hundred. Whatever the numbers! Will write. If analyzed bait you. I, this game is attention. This is prediction. gyn could condense potentially not watch the on the fifth quarter and. He goes game. I will get. That's choppy if we start losing. I. Will Not I will not watch pray quarter I'll tell you what. You mentioned what you're going to be like account and Melbourne. What will be allied? Off The why that these two teams before being one? You'll see the light. It's hard to get up the, but it's hottest I up. These got to be on channel seven seven eight. Do yourself a five up shooting in at seven forty PM. On satine and Mike sure we get into Jamie big Tom if I lose. Funny! Or let's move on Sunday funday. First up is the GWA's joins last year's runner-up. North. kangaroos one. I fought PM adjoin Stygian simply joint going to be y y too strong, and Arkansas you seek all we quantities leroy up on even now. Who's missing from the GWA's? Jesus couldn't get a gaming entertainment the Marta pistol. That doesn't have a mad at I. Literally I lose. One got the next first round pick from the twenty seventeen year coming through other than that. It doesn't matter. Walks tail on. The cables Fed enough to feed on that joint goodness that long. That will walk these funding Rossio Trust me. Let's go to the next one. This could be another one funny games at all talk about thirty. Five per game is genucell lyles. Strange home gain what on channel seven north after you've done. With the family in the morning you had to know Sunday roast. You've had a couple of maybe a couple of poets to guide in on your corner and watch the afternoon game city swans, versus this than we. Nobody's GONNA replying but also McConnell. Moody might not be getting a begins. Throughout and. Faced and this one or two, it's GonNa. Be Fantastic accounting for the lisette episode on Tuesday and now I'm just Kinda guy with it CD. Think mobike. Writes in about nine hundred lawn. Massively interrupted prison audion okay. What's happened in the last eight wakes? I, had one of the biggest upset of processes the injuries. And they're going to struggle. You can't make that up research without the toys before I don't think he's. Going to be too strong. Limbaugh is lottery Z. Strangle. albuque- seventh. Nansen. If. You WanNa make the door. See in. The Roy's one to five at the Sydney Swans, then because Tom Happily probably gonNA, kick a sharing if ice. That I'm just I'm just GONNA. Warn I can. Keep a football. He literally has stopped up Tom. Pappas I'm moving to causing. A funny up. It's going to be funny. He could watch the ISKIN. Supporters Looking barrels towards his head. If pep pep leaks, six. It'll be our as as a shopper. You're not how many. Rights. The two most hated people to entities Richardson the door. I rhyme bathwater. Close nine crystal glosses. That's how much a thinking. 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Eight weeks ago. It's tough. It was talking. You know it's tough. As the wake got one. We'll get more of a feel for what he's done guy that. Think the guy through the tapes it looks right by. Rabbi Taken Richmond with by taking Jr along with biking respond. By I think taking Melba, harping count winches for the site the. In out on Tuesday. The. Gold Coast upset on gone with West. Coast port lied to. Bates! You'll bite the crows your guy. At lie just to see you. Don't Costa. Smash Noel Sydney debate is and then, and we split it on the waste and boobs. Insecurity personae on Foxtel. Let's put these life what he's great to be back. We're going to be doing these eighteen every week. It's tipped out with up out tapes every single way, Jamie Wallis also you next on on on the next edition of Lisette. More late Harry love you, football I like it. Wow, no I I like my teddy. Lucky! Tipped out. Genius. List is.
Ep 77: Introducing Tipped Out: Our Tips, Every Week!
"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and Girls Children Ages welcome to lie South's first episode of its time they. Algiers every week. J Duggan brand a new segment called tipped out with lice. Every single week giving out tips leading into the round of games, and it has been a long time when whiting, but we're happy to say around to is just around the corner justice twenty four hours at the time of this recording table I am I didn't think outside this, but I'm really excited to get back into the swing of things because we know looks like the crabs won't be coming back in a number of weeks, and so these a a taste that we're going to be at the. Account do this all by myself. I have to have the CO host with the most you know him as a man now in his old, but he's Johnnie Wallace welcome and ready for a messy round of tick action. I'm pretty excited about a vision. Con. TIKTOK took down. We're GONNA win nine, but it doesn't really matter. It's all about the football, and that kicks off tomorrow night. Seven forty PM at the G. The calling would the magpies versus the Tigers of Richmond. Couldn't ask for Beta game to kick off the round at the site. It's the only other game show. Father had any announcement of teams, etcetera and I'll say one thing if you're Taibbi anchor. You're gonNA feel a little bit stiff because your brain are meted. That went. And you've. You! Couldn't you just told me like a month ago? We're not gonNA play in the first round, but as the why and the getting a guy, but he's not playing. He's not flying mice and Cox Hazel slide admitted. Other matter doc- Karen coming into play. He's first guy for the pause Basharuli Jack Higgins. Right story to come back after Brian Surgery amid several months ago. Going to be, it's going to be a belt over guy to get things on. The side just big going full. Richmond the same trust. The APP but you never know this swing, h., y., what are your thoughts? Yeah no I think you're I. Think including. Cool inject taking only makes. Rich and much stronger. medicine Cox admitted I. Mean You not for the million times big deal. Good guys long game 'cause. I'm angry. And gossipy cameron in so that's good that that's the chance. I think Richmond. GonNa win as potties. Yellow all these August I'm just happy to see what what's going to got the got the pipe in the stains hyped i. put the fight crowd noisy and let the NRA l. done. They've done it beautifully second. Get it going through the GonNa work well or be a complete schimmel on channel. Seven's Marin right so chit if he can get through the NFL lap. Subscription box tell wherever you get up, but molly got to shine on channel seven. We going with Richmond in that first guy hidden a fraud I not June twelve. Fifty, the in just to give that extra couple ten minutes for people to get home from Jalal. GM HBA stadium the of Jalala versus the whole. Don't even have the. Just awful, what was the last time hopeful played down at Gelo? Off could even fathom it. I'm forty. Four can't even remember. Once again it's going to, it's going to be a bit of a toss up because teams haven't been announced at this particular moment. Yup once again, I'm just having to go with the full law. Is that I'M GONNA have to go with delone because it's it's Dan. It's alone. That's all I'm. GonNa go with at this particular moment, but it is a bit of a toss of the coin gone. Yeah I think I. Think along at harm. It's probably trace strong, M. C. J. Different, different game but I think you're the the long grand of of damage. Gary worked for too long and it's a skinny of an I just play. It saw well in on. January mirrors injured so he won't be playing, so that just takes another call game that Meteo mountains on now. It's Allie one, but he's pretty important to that group are distinct long getting back into at. Ago and not one of Walter's once again by Thomas Agreeing Jr along to eight hawks on fraud I. Now now we move into super. Saturday Super Saturday on way when he watch pips. What are we watching on what channel we can watch that on? That one is going to be on the channel. Seven Foxtel Ko. Whatever you want to go with most of these are going to be foxtel or channel seven behind, if for industry me and get onto maybe. Time TV at one saw he got to. Guard to sport lemon. That's another website that yards if you look at the ninety i. From a differential that we. Stuff ball just pay. Tokens a month yet. Twenty Five Bucks I. Just do it attack Iraq right. A. Day. It's ready to go. You can stream it to you to what more could you aspel? Cracking die of set die, football starts one forty five PM at the GABBA quays lane. How'd central for a number of teams Brisbane? Lions I gotta be taken on. The Fremantle dockers look guy simply once again because I'm going with harm. 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Everybody knows melt big Melvin supporter on Sorry Confidence Guy and Pack donkeys as well for because. Watch the doctor Jekyll Mr Hyde of the I. F L, all the forest gump box of chocolates. We just now what we're GONNA. Go and get straight. China's for the days toot trait, reviews and Luke, Jackson to the dropping, coming into the food is the story that we spoke about last naught on Leisa out in February Jane it was a cracking episode Lov on facebook and also on the podcast. Holly, been Alexander Mikey's low awaited return against some of the footage on TV or check it on. The Internet broke down just with on curic saw him at the fact he's. Diamond and close to us. It's got to be tough for them. Counting finished very relegates Richmond's last Tom Knight plied earlier in the season Montjeu few in the rack. They're not going to have the not gonNA. Have crews of the GONNA have childhood? That decided I've got a debates, and they've got that Mennonite. Patrick groups delayed him in the middle, so so it's GonNa be will got to be toned for a just think pieces again at Melbourne. Half the win another other food than they were lost, and are they GONNA? Do It ain't? They. They'll do from my be. Or four goals at most. Oh God I am hoping that Nov and lose. My face right now, just thinking about him out of the losses like the G. crying small face. As mutually like I, just like this guy. If you lose you win I'm happy, but if you lose I'm even happier like. Honestly can't losing this guy. You can't lose an arcane and was nine. What I've done I've lost. On facebook page you could see. ROBOT COP Chris Having. He's meltdown in the Bay as these guys is law so stay tuned on? The facebook prides because you could say. Strike after the guiding reactions. Depending on what happens the OB? 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All he's an easy is a pretty good model number seeks. where I'm on so I think I'll watch it pets. We can what you've. Got To be foxtel guide as well so be getting a bit of a everybody folks tell is good channel seven as bright, but Cayenne will have every game. Every week. Get on. Boxing think you're actually doing some sort of I think the members where it's only four bucks for the next couple months so. Who not driving into work and five money on few put that money into a subscription. If you haven't got one already because you're GonNa get it well afoot of of sports coming up in the next few month or meal one coming back, what are you back around? The wrestling UFC OH, united and cracking documentaries across the board. We're not. We're not sponsored by them, but are also map. Get behind of his melting. We says as you said that there was again that you're exhaustible. which was the game of Album Business College? This is the one that all makes audible hold on. The short end number forty against the crow civil forty at the Adelaide I. Could you imagine? A riot. That approximately two thousand. That light supporters of five hundred whatever the numbers. Will write. If analyzed bait you. I this game is attention. This is prediction. This game could condense potentially not watch the on the fifth quarter and. He goes. Game I will get. That's choppy if we start losing. I will not I will not watch pray quarter I'll tell you what. You mentioned what you're going to be like account and Melbourne what will be allied? Off the. Why that these two teams before being one? You'll see the light. It's hard to get up there, but it's hottest I up. These got to be on channel seven seven eight. Do yourself a five up shooting in seven forty pm on satine and Mike. Sure we get into Jamie big Tom if. I lose. Funny. Or let's move on Sunday funday. First up is the GWA's joins last year's runner-up. The North Melbourne Kangaroos one I fought PM. Adjoin Stygian simply joint, going to be y y too strong and Arkansas. You seek his all. We Quantities Leroy up on even now. WHO's missing from? The GW's Jesus couldn't get a gaming entertainment. The MARMOT pistol. That doesn't have a mad at I. Literally I lose. One called the next first round pick from the twenty seventeen year coming through other than that. It doesn't matter oxtail on. The cables Fed enough to feed on that joint goodness that long. That will walk these money. Rossio Trust me. Let's go to the next one. This could be one funny games at I'll talk about thirty. Five per game is cj new lyles. Strange Toma Gain what on Channel Seven north after you've done. With family in the morning you had to know Sunday rose. You've had a couple of maybe a couple of poets to guide in on your corner and watch the afternoon game city swans, versus this than we. Nobody's GONNA replying, but also McDonnell Moody Might Not Be Getting A. Three and Faced and this one or two eight? 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Based on the teacher nece that Westborough. Whatever that I ran. Eight weeks ago. It's tough. It was talking. You know it's tough. As the wake got one, we'll get more of a feel for what he's done guy that. Think the guy through the tapes it looks right by. Rabbi Taken Richmond with by taking Jr along with biking respond. Both I think taking Melba. Harping count winches for the site the. In out on Tuesday. The Gold Coast upset on gone with West Coast port lied to. Bates! You'll bite the crows your guy. At lie just to see you. Don't Costa, Smash Noel Sydney Debate is and then, and we split it on the waste and boobs insecurity Sunday on Foxtel. Let's put these life what he's great to be back. We're going to be doing these eighteen every week. It's tipped out with up out tapes every single way Jamie Wallis also you next on on on the next edition of Lisette. More late Harry. Love you football. I like it. Wow, no, I I like my teddy lucky. Tipped out. Genius Unique. List is.
BPR Full Show 7/9/20: The Long Haul
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The media and public stopped reading police like thugs and animals, but in Springfield one police officer was fired for posting image that was pro black lives. Matter but anti police will ask if this was the right outcome. Speak to Andrew Cabrera that more ahead on Boston radio eighty nine seven W. G. B. H.. JAGAN LIGON! You're listening to about the radio eighty nine seven. W. G. B. H. Welcome back from vacation. Jim About time you came back. I'll spill. Longest vacation ever. I think you're God he's accent. Time. What you're not been, I may not have been. You haven't listen to the show. So how would you know you know putting aside our personal differences as the national news just said huge decisions by the supreme. Court today in one decision, they said prosecutors in New York Sivan's there. May See Donald Trump's financial records, obviously a big defeat for him, but in a separate decision announced a little bit later Congress, could not as the moment many of the same records and the key sentence here I think. Is this one margin the first decision by the way Roberts wrote both decisions, and not surprisingly Alito and Thomas for the dissenters says they are and everything. Both votes were seventy two. Here's a Roberts wrote in the case involving the subpoena from the New York Manhattan. DA, note citizen, not even the president has categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding pretty important moment actually. Well. I think it was. It was very heartening moment because it reaffirmed the. Longstanding notion that no American citizens is above the law and Mr Mr President Trump's lawyers had argued that he was immune from any kind of investigation. As long as you remain in office, which is a very dangerous. Precedent obviously that you would have the present above the law. That's not house supposed to work. By the way for those who were saying Oh. This is great. We're going to get to see the presence financial records and tax. It's not going to happen before the election. He still has the ability according to the court to raise objections. What exactly the subpoena can cover New York and all that sort of thing. The reason we bring this up is because we pre-tape our conversation with Chuck Todd from meet the press prior to the court releasing the decision, so for that obvious reason, we didn't talk to him about that, but here is our discussion with Chuck Todd, President Trump has made good on America first by making public health last the US. US now number one in the world, having the highest death toll from covid nineteen with over one hundred and thirty thousand Americans dead from the disease, and yet he insists the country. is quote in a good place. Is it going to be able to spin his way out of this fiasco or Willis? Prospects for another term among the krona virus casualties join US align go over this and other political headlines. Chuck, Todd Chuck, as the moderator of meet the press, you can catch Sunday mornings at ten thirty on NBC, Boston's Channel Channel most providers, also the host of meet the press daily and MSNBC and the Political Director for NBC News. Hello Chuck Todd. Hi there guys. Talk to guys than eight. We feel the same way. Everyone's sloughing off here in July. July chocolate that was going on, and yet I asked yet I feel like stage all over again right back. We're right back to the Do. You remember the Flintstones and Close when I discovered when I discovered that, basically they only had two different back sets backdrops that they drew, and it just kept right over and over again. That like we're living like. It's the same over and over. Yeah books worst sexually you're a Florida guy saw it a lot about you. Know your friends and family that some of whom I assume are still down there. I mean Florida's right at the top of the list of this massive surge. What you hear from the your your your buddy down in Florida? Well look I mean it's. It's I've I've had some firsthand experience down here down in Florida over the over this little break and One thing you have noticed and one thing that my family has reported on is that. There's been a noticeable change in mask-wearing just in the last week. From barely existent to. And a part of it is you have a lot of local? Businesses, a lot of local communities have the power to mandate masks indoors and things like that, so you do have more and more of that I mean it is sort of as the reality sets in you see more of it, and you see more concerned about it so. But like with sadly like with anything in our politics these days, nobody police something exists until they experience percent. Speak, you know. Speaking of nobody believing Chuck Todd and Marjorie though. I was reading something online about trump saying we're in a good place and I was a little incredulous, and so I turn on the TV to watch the actual thing and I'm watching this man literally yesterday saying we're in a good place three-million cases. Hundred and thirty two thousand dead of our fellow residents of this country. And I'm saying if I could only get married. Trump on the phone to find out what she thinks is the. I mean when you hear him say we're in a good. Place! Is there somebody in some state who's believing that crap? I don't know if anybody believes it other than his hardcore base, and this is the real problem that he created now leader of the Republican Party. Is that. As he as as he sort of. Goes more. Dives deeper into his own Rabah Hall of Reality That doesn't really exist for the rest of the world. There is a core devoted group of his base that. Listens to one. I'm news. Or organ and things like that. And so. It's sort of like his shrinking base which it is drinking. Is More. Devoted his storyline than ever before. But as people like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell tried to straddle the worlds of reality and your. It is becoming harder and harder. You know I sort of look at the visual when somebody straddle and suddenly. The Earth moves in both directions away from you and you see the cartoon and all of a sudden person has been split. Into! You know that's what's happening right. The Gulf between reality and trump's reality is growing ever greater. And, so it makes, but then the double edged sword. Has Your Cory Gardner Mitch? McConnell Lindsey Graham Susan Collins Picture Vulnerable Republican, Senator, and you try to Knob towards reality. The the unrealistic trump ace says you're crazy. It's a total I mean you know trump has successfully? Essentially. Created this alternative reality I'm gonNA use a harsher word, but I'm not. He created this. He's created this reality that a big chunk of of of the Republican Party believes, but not enough for him to politically succeed, if anything just enough to create a political disaster for the Republican Party, which is apparently what we're on our way to say. Well, I am wondering. We learned over the weekend unfortunately. bryce boys. You could have predicted this the people. There's been a spike in the Tulsa area, which some public health are blaming on the on the, even though it was a smaller group than we expected about six thousand people I think that were at the Rally for the present in Tulsa. So you wonder what the future of the Convention a month away in in Jacksonville. I mean especially in the situation of Florida's and right now. You. Know assuming this. You know as we all know just sort of even you know. They have yet have a case plateau, but even when the case plateau happened. It's another week before your hospitalization plateau, and then another week or two to your debt plateau. Anyway, we haven't hit the case plateau yet. I'm already in August. If they hit the case, plateau today. I have no idea how this convention the way they would. The president wants it. That doesn't mean he won't try look. We're going to get another taste of this in new. Hampshire, Yes this Saturday week and so. We'll find out. WHO's not going to the rally though Disaster Chuck? Governor Sununu. Who says he may mean the plane, but he said something like if if you think I'm going to put myself in the middle of a crowd of thousands of people. It isn't happening so. He's obviously a pretty much of A. Of A trump. Loyalist. Every time we talk to you, I come up with what I find. Be The most incredible moment of the week and I was saying Marjorie before. We got you on the phone. The thing other thing yesterday besides we're in a good place is obviously everybody wants schools open if they can open safely, which is obviously the critical caveat. When trump said he had a problem with the CDC which is supposed to be guided by science, and then pen stands up and says the CDC is going to change. It's guidelines next week I. Mean How can anybody have faith in anything that comes out of any of these people except maybe found she. Can't I mean the only situation? That's worse than ours. In a dysfunctional democracy in Brazil Bolsonaro has gone. He just fires health ministers until he gets one to tell him. He. You know that's what he's been doing. Essentially trump. This is gutless to fire. Anybody anybody as we know, the guy who most payment made use the catchphrase of your. There's nobody that is more scared of hiring people than Donald Trump. He refuses to do it. You always tried to get other to do it. He layers people. He does all these things so it in the case of you know, or he just tries to be rate them until humiliate quick. That's kind of what he's been doing now. In some ways to CDC not to Redfield in personally yet because redfield hasn't fought back right, he's just been a a a bureaucrat. That is that essentially accepted. The dunce CAP, which frankly you know if he's going to let trump like do I think the CDC is getting a bit scapegoated, but the end of the day they made mistakes too, and this guy has not owned it. This guy has not. you know fought back on trump. You know he's not tried to make it better in any direction. Anything whatsoever so at this point. You know it's it. You know he's. He's. He's. He is certainly not. Pushed back in order to try to stop this all off out, but. you know. Trump's just trying to do this and and I, you know I, think this is why it looks. Every time you know it's funny. We've always said there's no bottom to trump. Well right now I'm not sure there's a bottom to this free fall that he's in right now. There will be, but I don't know if you said it yet. You know speaking of Saudi. He's one of the many people I obsess over in the whole disaster and I. do wonder at this I. Think I read where he was not allowed the last corona virus briefing he was on the. Like that. Yeah and why doesn't he just I? Don't get it. You know he's an older guy he's. He's got a pension. Security I mean you know why not strike out on his own? He's so believable and I think. Dr. Burkes is not anymore and. People are. Not Anymore and the guy from FDA is. The only guy there is. I I. You know I I have. A source who I've talked to that works at NIH and it's sort of like. He's in this box. On one hand, he's the most credible person in the administration on this on the other hand. He's not getting his. voice while the public hears it it not being able to influence decision making so it's a box and if he walks then, there's nobody in the administration that you know so it's it's an at the end of the day. He's been in government eventually. Most of his adult life, so he's a believer in these institutions, right, he is you hear the phrase `institutionalised Anthony Fauci. You know the top. He's the ultimate institution. Yeah, he is survived multiple presidents multiple ideologies multiple this right all because he's always thrown himself into the institution of it I H. And so I think that's where his you know. He's just not if he were a political animal marjorie. Blocked a long long time ago, I think repeats not Apolo a political person right he is a there is a difference between people that serve in public that are in public service and people that are in politics right? Sometimes, those lines get blurred a lot, but there is a difference in in in cheese, a public servant who believes in these institutions and I. Think just can't bring himself to walk away. I have to say I don't know if I'm GonNa make it through the whole show today Marjorie. We've been back ten minutes from vacation, and as you and chuck talking. This isn't seen as disrespectful. I'm having trouble listening. Because what floats into my head is at the same time. We're talking about trump and the virus. Let's remember. He attacked the only black driver in Nascar last week and defended the veteran flag. He says he's going to bring statues of the founding fathers to is events. Heroes is Joseph Park delphic the park for all the American? But. Let's not spend time on that because it's. It's going to take my sickness even worse, so Congress goes away without having fixed anything. I guess they sort of fix the small business loan thing or extended the timeframe or something. Are they gonNA come back either because they actually care about the American people because they care about reelection and do something to. Help People here Chuck Gone Well, and this is where I don't you know? Let's take the school situation young. You know what I'm not hearing. I am not hearing anybody. You know to me one of the things. Open Up, school. One of the biggest things that schools need is more resources to pull this off. Whether, it is you know I it is my. And that I, you know. I thought. A you know I thought the unemployment rate being stubbornly staying in double digits would sort of motivate folks, but but it's clear that. That for a brief period. There are some lawmakers who suddenly care about the deficit again But I wonder if this debate about opening schools and and the resources that I wonder if that at least shakes. Lusa Lamar Alexander. and perhaps even a Lindsey. Graham Mitch McConnell who will make the argument. Right like I my favorite thing to quote by the way Sean Little of late. He's the closer for the Washington national. WHO said you know? Sports reward for functioning societies. were. Jim. Morning, but it was basically that and it's like he's right. We're if we were functioning careers about the put into the stands for their baseball. League the anyway my point is. Is that I think an argument could be made if you want to reopen, and you want the economy to come back, throw more money at the school so that they can do it properly right. I think that message could resonate. The political spectrum. I just don't know who's going to take up that mantle in the Republican. Party plenty of Democrats will talk about that, but you know the focus. It's possible you could see some movement there if if It's all about McConnell in Lindsay. Who are suddenly two senators who suddenly are looking over there? They campaign and they happen to be influential guy, so lets, that would be my one place. To at least speculate where maybe there's some motivation to see some action again. Was Chuck Todd. What about with Congress? Going home with the money for extended unemployment? Because that's expiring soon as you point out, we still have double digit. Unemployment, rather. Lots of people are we'll be thrown into disastrous straits, not to mention the fictions that are happening all across the country. Well. Also the next wave of layoffs I mean I think we've all known the long-term ones that are coming. Businesses taking advantage of this climate in doing this or you know I. I don't think people realize the coming calamity that if coming to the university's system in in, it's GonNa Cascade all over, but like Stanford got rid of a bunch of non Revenue Sports, do you? How many jobs is connected with that? How many you know! That's going to happen at universities all over, and so that's another getting affects i. do think the extended unemployment actually has more of a heartbeat. politically because the president apparently is for. You Senate Republicans that didn't like it, but if the president starts to you, know I think somebody I think because a bunch of economists. have said one of the reasons. Why are we haven't cratered is we've propped up the employed, and so I think trump start starting to realize. Hey, you like you're you know you keep talking about the payroll tax cut? Essentially, that's what you've done for people is you've given them a paycheck? You've given them their payroll tax. Cut before you know without you know the the what you think come. Come up if they were actually working, but they're not working so payroll tax work. This is the equivalent of what it would take to have the same impact so I it it does sound like at least trump's economists have gotten to them on that so chuck. Todd. Before you go, you're still packers, Fan, or you only Pakistan when your kid I can't remember Oh okay so I kept to my. Head some. And some obsession with Joe Robbie. Refused to let me. A. From the. Often okay so. The Washington team just. Tell me that when Snyder is finally forced. After he's had for years over my dead bodies, not going to happen and change the name team for financial reasons that he is not going to be praised foreign wide for his great leadership. That's not going to. Be praised. He will not to be afraid he he will be seen as sort of. You, know it's it's now. It it's like if Donald Trump was the guy that signed the law and they June TNT federal holiday. Would you say? Donald Trump. Hero to the African. American experience right by you know it it. This is something that. They had the this was a financial. They had no choice. But to do this and and. Now. You know it's I think the nationals winning a world series didn't help I. Think the capitals winning a Stanley Cup of your before you don't all of a sudden. The other sports teams you the read The Washington team. Pardon The Washington team for a long time was able to just always have. They were still the only game in town. You know there's they were losing revenue locally. You know I mean I I think you know the season ticket base of the nationals versus the season ticket base with a redskins competitive. That shouldn't be. So again I apologize. I just realized I said the Knicks. I'm sorry. about that we wear my son and I've decided it should be. The Washington. Warriors were Liberation Fans. Oh, I like that now. Last allowed sort of some. Oh, my is to. You know if you're if you're looking to celebrate native American bravery, you know that sort of thing, so there's some is there, but the alliteration or the warriors have been you know Golden State Warriors nothing wrong with being accidentally associated with them. So The other idea is that like the dwayne Atkins as a quarterback for the for the for the Washington team he likes he likes to read tales. Name the airman. Love that idea I didn't know that that's great. And I thought that was one of those. You're like now. I still don't think we deserve praise. If that's the name they came up with, but he would. He would certainly mitigate with some would. A Lot. Left criticism. I'll tell you I love that has the you know what it's all. It makes me. Does, it really does. And! I hope he changes it and felt the teen. A whole bunch of people you know, and if you're a fan of the New York Knicks. You know what it's like where you realize your owner is the problem. Chuck Todd. We missed you really glad we're all back and we'll talk to you next week. Thanks so. Much Chuck. Todd great to talk to you as always chuck. Todd is meet the press. He joins US every week. You can catch meet the press Sunday mornings at ten thirty and NBC Boston Channel Ten most providers chastise also the host of meet the press daily on MSNBC and the Political Director for N. B. C. News. Okay coming up so much for flattening the curve, the coronavirus cases spiking in the United States. We're taking your cause asking if you are really ready for the long haul and listened to eighty nine seven w. g. b. h.. Boston public radio. Welcome back in Boston public radio. Jim Brady, and Marjorie in a few is losing its superpower status. It's making up for us as super spreader. The US reported more than sixty thousand new covert nineteen cases Tuesday's setting fresh record for new cases reported in just one day as you know Arezzo Anna. California Florida, and Texas of accounted for nearly half of all new cases in the country. Country Anthony. She is saying that state that are experiencing serious upticks in infections will have to seriously consider shutting down a second time while Massachusetts is considered a crowbar success story. Who knows what will happen to your now? That casinos movie theaters in gyms have reopen as of Monday if we ended up going the way of the rest of the country or even if we do not. Are you mentally prepared for what could be a very long slog through this pandemic? Our number's eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy, I'm watching CNN a couple of nights ago I. You know you historically when you go on vacation, ignore the news. I know you didn't this time. I tried to live by the margery EAGAN rule. It was impossible. I'm watching the the head guy. I think his name is Murray from the University of Washington. Washington you know the model that most people looking at that's the model. It says we'll go to two hundred eight thousand people killed dead covid nineteen by November. We can reduce that by somewhere. In the neighborhood of forty thousand ninety five percent of people in the critical areas were mass. He said just matter of factly of the two worst months are likely to be, and you know at the two months where Marjorie November and December November and. Are Likely to be the two worst months, and I have to say when you go through the schools thing where you have trump and pence on one side and responsible people who run schools who I think one opened the schools for different reasons, just as much as Donald Trump does talk about the falls going to be like the November and December thing Arizona. If it was a country, you probably know this had as many new cases. Yesterday had more new. New cases than any country in the world, and you're one of the things we never talk about at all. We talk about the fall and winter in terms of the seasonal flu, and how that there's a confluence, horrible pun, which I didn't intend between the seasonal flu and the krona virus. That can make it even worse. Well, we don't talk about is this is at least for me. been a lot easier to tolerate in Nice weather when you can go outside. Take a walk when you can eat at a restaurant totally different. Are you going GonNa feel when it's October, November, and it's seventeen degrees outside were frozen. If you want to eat in a restaurant, you have to eat inside. Assuming that we keep on the good track, the bottom line is this is this. Intellectually knew it. It really hit me because I didn't work this week. We are in this for months and. Months. Is that you look at other countries particularly in Europe. Their their their economies are not a disaster that going back to somewhat normal life. I mean it doesn't have to be this way. It's just just so. I. I guess humiliating. We the United States of America and look at us. We're like the world's super spreader. I mean we just. It's so horrible for millions of people here and it didn't have to be this way. That's the thing to not have to be this way and it's still. You, wonder. Do People think you know. We saw how there's a spike in Tulsa from. They'll know for sure, but they suspect it was partly at least or maybe largely from the rally there with the. Time. Right, yes, without mass, screaming and yelling and shouting and sharing all those kinds of things. What people thinking? They just say well. I'm just GONNA risk it and I'm GONNA. You know everybody's saying. You need to wear a mask or be saying that cuts down infection. Do I just GonNa put my life on the line. Let's see what happens Saturday night New Hampshire it's outside with. Donald Trump, but let's see what happens there, too. You know one of the thing I want to say because it sounds I think callous when we talk when I talk about how well we are comparatively doing here, but keep in mind. California was doing great to yeah, and it's not doing so great now. I think it's positivity. Rate is summer in the neighborhood of eight percent were below two percent the callous part of this. It is true that we're doing better than virtually all the country you know Aidan. Every morning sends a summary of or Coworker, one of the numbers thirty only thirty cove related desk yesterday. That's more than eight thousand people died in Massachusetts more than half and long-term. Sorry in Massachusetts in long term care facilities, but again despite how careful we seem to be as I said at the beginning, casinos opened on Monday. which I find really hard to believe gyms museums, not all them day, but they permitted to. We're not immune either N, even if we are immune when this is all happening around us, and you turn on the TV every night and you see that ICU beds are virtually full in Texas and Florida, and don't have they don't have enough personal protective. Was Unbelievable. I mean we're talking about this in February. The lack of not enough not enough. Mass not enough clothing that the medical people need to wear were still. Don't have enough I mean. Why didn't we combined? said he would go out if he were elected. Go Out and actually force the companies through the. Defense protection acts the production. Excuse me to. To manufacture I think we need don't we I mean this guy in Texas was talking about big on a collision course with a viral iceberg, I mean analogy to the titanic I guess I mean it's just crazy, and and it's just crazy I. don't understand my fellow Americans. Just. Believing that they should run around with no mass on. CLOSE TO PEOPLE! Excuse me your fellow Americans. How about one fellow Merkin? Who says we're in a good place? This is an. I. Don't want to see what a bad place. Less eight seven, seven, three, zero, one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, I guess our question. It's all this is. And maybe again it was because I was offer week, and so it was able to focus on this probably more than I'd like. This is a long haul thing I know. We've been told that, but it's really sinking in at least it is for me. Is it for you? And how prepared are you for this continuing whatever this is for months and months and months eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine seventy. Let's go to Tom Hi Tom Thanks for. Our Yo, good good. How are you? Good I work at a restaurant I'm a third their opening next week and I'm nervous. 'cause I, don't you know after all? These restaurants opened everywhere else? Everyone thought of getting the virus, so I'm nervous to go back to work. Well it by the way you spoken to your boss. By the way I assume this is inside. You're talking about, or is this outside dumb? Both. Have you spoken to your? Apprehension or have you not? Well, we have to wear a mask when we serve, but then shouldn't people that don't have to wear a mask you know while the reading. That's right while, but again have you spoken to your book? I mean there. There are some lots maybe of bosses who've been really sensitive to the fears. Concerns of their workers in settings like this if you had that discussion or tongue. Not yet, they just they send me a tax thing that they're all sitting next week, you know. Well a I'm not in the advice business, but I my advice would be nevertheless. Give them buzz and say your concern. Maybe he or she will let you just work outside for the time. Being which is as we all learned a hell of a lot safer. Than inside, even though these restaurant tours are saying that inside safe to Tom Good luck, thanks for the goal. You read the great piece in The Washington Post over the weekend Marjorie where they got five public health people four of whom I can't remember. One of them was fouled. She talking about how they're living their lives. You get your haircut. Do you go out found? That rate it was like twenty. Something he has yeah I think he called his haircut. If I remember correctly, who agreed to do it either after or before hours? When no is there, he will not go to an indoor restaurant now in fairness, because I do not want to damage the already damaged restaurant business. As he said, he's seventy nine years old. He's not even though he has a huge amount of energy. This is not a fifty year old guy, so he is in that suspect category and I think he's worried about protecting himself, which he should be eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine seventy. I did see Fox News. put it out and I'm not critical. The new section Sarah other section I'm critical. put out the list of twenty seven most dangerous things you can do and number one was a bar. Not Most dangerous, but up in the more dangerous categories. And I thought again. We've bailed out the taxpayers of America because of the airlines twice I mean some people think we should let the airlines go bankrupt and just reform sauce would not be bail them out twice. And so airplanes running an airplane is considered a moderately dangerous to do and yet the airlines are just going to stuff the passengers in there again. I don't understand. Why there isn't some sort of congressional outrage over that. We've discussed this with somebody Chris from either somebody last week. Why wasn't he wrote a piece? I think about in the globe. Why wasn't there deal for? I think fifty billion is got this round. Here's fifty billion dollars in return for which you. Only to certain protections for the for the Flyer, the airline's after their last bailout did not use it to help. Their employees did not use it in terms of salaries and benefits to a great degree. It was it was to help their shareholders, so they kind of screw. People the taxpayers, and now they're doing it again, and we just kind of shrug our shoulders, I guess I'll. Let's go to lease in Marblehead, high, lease. High! Injury leaf like on a tree. Oh Lee I'm sorry. What's great name? I leave. Everybody messes it up no worries. So I. Think Charlie Baker done an awesome job and so great to live in a state was such great leadership. I'm I booked all our doctors appointments this. So orthodontist. Actually heading to MGH now, for my mammogram. Three years past breast cancer and terrified to walk into mgh, but I figure I. Need to do it now because lockdown again. You. Will leave? Let's not do that as a throwaway line you're you're acting. You're behaving in a way. That anticipates another lockdown in Massachusetts. Come the full. Yes yeah I mean I. Hope There won't be. but I'm definitely anticipating. an ugly flu season, and just hunkering back down and. you know I think. This is temporary i. wish everybody would kind of keep that in mind. This is temporary. This is not forever and maybe just wrap. Their arms around their family, and enjoy the time together and You know I I know for me. I have teenage boys and I wouldn't normally get this time with them. Right 'cause they'd be offered their friends at school and. So I I'm just trying to continue to say it's temporary. These are small sacrifices for. The greater good. How how your teenage boys feeling about Tom Mom. They, are they, are they? Are they happier like ticked off? You know what? My kids actually are handling this really well. God. And and they get it. And and my family is nearby and. The cousins! Are Clo- Nice. You know, so. We yeah, we just all lockdown You know outside enjoying outside like you said you know it's easier to do this in the summertime. We're big scares and I honestly think the fact that we're skiing. Every weekend in the winter is why we've been so healthy. That's going to last eight winners, but. We'll be outside. Regardless will leave I'll tell you know i. wish some of you could rub off on me, you have. Your attitude is so healthy and so fabulous. Good luck with the mammogram and thanks for sharing your story with us. Really appreciate it. I saw some people outside during fourth over Fourth of July that I hadn't seen for a long time, and one of them was my oldest daughter's best friend, and and and a lot. She's very anxious. A lot of people are really not dealing with this well and I. Think a lot of it now is worried about jobs. Keep. His job is going to be long. Term Impacts of they're going to extend the unemployment, the President and I commend him for this wants to I think they need to, but he's getting some some pushback. From from Congress on that, but it is taking a huge toll on lots of lots of people. Yeah and and in the family you know the the husband is is a nervous wreck. The wife is not or vice versa, or the kids are on. The parents aren't a vice versa. It's craziness we'll also. You're more much more social person than I am I mean among friends is low Jim Bars, Lau, thank you I didn't mean quite that way I mean. How hard is it? I mean you like in the summer. Spend a Lotta time with a lot of friends on the CAPE AND I. Yes, but luckily I'm lucky enough to go to a place. It's got you know a big deck and a big backyard, so everybody can kind of brought out. I I'm nervous in inside. We did I. Built the smallest decks over it allowed the fewest people. I guess. Jim You're sorry. Let's go to Francis Eighty nine seventy W. G. B. H. Dot. Org is the email Francis for your next, I Hey. Thanks for taking. My call has surely let show thanks I'm a jazz musician, and and it's not that you know the money. Or missing the money because. You know, make any money anyway. I I have another income as well but for not being able to play. And the fact that You know. It's not coming back for a long long time. 'cause they're going to be entertained. It's GonNa last thing to come back. You know and restaurants and I feel bad for my friends. Don't have other income. And you know. I. Heard the other day Willie. Nelson say that doesn't have a GIG. So it's just you know for all the artists and musicians out there. It's a very difficult time. I'm so. Nobody. No I'm really glad. Well a lot of benefit stuff is being done by a lot of your fellow artists that try to do whatever they can to help. Those who are in financial need you make A. Really good point a really good point piece of the world. We don't spend nearly enough time talking about Francis. How much do you Miss Plan? I mean playing out in the world yeah. I missed a plant part. 'cause that's. You play. You Played Jazz for love of yard. You know nobody makes money. Plan will carry so yeah, it's. It's an awful time for that for that particular and we're trying to get together in people's yards. Just hard to get people together, so it's A. It's a tough time. But you know I'm grateful for you. Know at health and my my life is okay. I have a beautiful grandchildren live at la, but but for all the artists out there. It's real tough. It's not coming back for a long time. It is because we have to get used to. Yeah, that's really the question of the day is. How do you get used to it? In a way that is healthy and allows you to persevere. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with Francis. We Really. Appreciate it, you know Francis brought up. You know he's beautiful grandchildren heartbreaks of people who've got Grandchildren's sometimes newborn grandchildren across the country. And you know if their grandparents it might be over fifty or over sixty over the might be. Close to eighty, and they're not gonna see them for a long long time because they don't want to take you. there. Before you leave I have friends who I don't know if I said this to you on the air on or off day, or whatever friends who shall remain unnamed, who a quarantine themselves for two weeks. Their kids and their grandkids quarantine themselves for the same two weeks so that they could come together at the end of those three weeks, and the grandparents moved in a finite period of time with the kids and the grandkids so that they could see them, so they went out of their way to. Essentially self isolate so that they could safely spend time with their grandkids, but a lot of luxury to do that. The grandkids had they flew on united three across and so. I think it was close. Thing. Plan. This is like one st over. It was not okay one over, because then you can. Maybe a race really quickly shown to stop and use the restrooms on the way. You know what I'm saying Jim. Talking about this spike at Krona, virus cases asking if you're ready for the long slog through this pandemic Oh God. We hope it's really not a long slog. WE'RE GONNA keep talking about this. Eighty nine seven W. G. B. H. Boston radio. Welcome back to Boston Public Radio Jim Brady and Marjorie infused Tony. We're talking about the return of the curb with corona virus cases on the rise and the threat of some states having to shutdown again I. don't think we're immune A. we're taking your calls asking you psychologically prepared for what appears. To be a really long hall ahead of US Eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, nine seventy s leaf, said before there are two ways to look at it. It's a really long haul. But it's also a temporary long-haul, even though the temporary is much longer than most of us are used to. In any even comparable situations in our lifetime. I'll tell you you live a lot longer. It seems to me if you have that much healthier attitude about this like she does. Rather than the one that I have no idea I mean the good news is we have jobs we get paid. We get to talk to people which is a wonderful. Solved for this whole thing. It's I can't imagine this July. Can you imagine September, October November? December, you hope that foul cheese right when he says he's cautiously optimistic, though be vaccine as early as the beginning of next year and then somebody. We gotTa Talk To our Kaplan about this to who is going to decide. WHO GETS THE VACCINES AND WATCH WATER? Division in this country. That decision they're not gonNA have three hundred and fifty million doses administered on January first. What's to be done about the millions of Americans who say they won't get a vaccine, or is it twenty five percents of thirty percents something like that. You'll you do you send them? Give them a one way. TICKET TO VISIT PRESIDENT SCENARIO. Bob I'm not sure how you felt when you heard that Bolsonaro. got it because I don't want to get either of us in trouble, but the head of for Brazil who's been in denial to say the least and. His Idol Donald. Trump is come down and by the way you heard what he said the day after he announced publicly that he came down with it. Urge more reopening in Brazil. I'm serious. He did I. Mean it's just it is sort of like Donald. Trump saying the schools have to open good luck to you and will make sure that the ninety billion dollars which will discuss the poll revel yesterday and the Heroes Act never gets to you John in Lawrence your on. Radio I John. Hope Hello there. Thanks for taking my call sure if I'm. If the If the state does respect again, I just am requesting your listeners. Please don't clean out the grocery stores again. I, I work for announced that that works very closely with that with the Massachusetts Grocery chain, and these distribution and supply lines will break if you stretch them like he did last time, so please don't do it. Well we thanks to the advice, and by the way and I want to be clear here. I'm hopeful I mean so far were comparatively in great shape. I hope we continue in great shape, but I have to say that you know if forty of our surrounding states are in serious trouble, and we're lucky enough not to be. It isn't terribly comforting. I mean it's good that it's not happening on one's own midst, but I have to say as good as the news has been less weeks in Massachusetts watching these reports about so much of the rest of the country is just incredibly. Painful and when you see the human stories about the suffering here and the. One hundred, thirty, two thousand people died, and we're in a good place, says the leader of the United States of America, John Thanks for the caution we appreciate. Not to make you feel even worse, but. His temporary. Well because I trust in Anthony Pouch in. He is cautiously. Well knowledge, cautiously optimistic. There'll be a vaccine early next year some therapeutic, even before potentially, but that there seems to be pretty decent confidence that there will be a vaccine whenever that happens. It's officiant even though there have been some. Things that there's never been a vaccine four, so I guess if you want to bring people down even more you can. Take that attitude temporary meeting. We're only gonNA. Live so long I think that's what temp Romi. No kidding. So we'll be dead. No. I shouldn't ask. Phil from glass to thank you. Jim German margarite. How today! Thank you well. Great I'm. I'm a grandfather. My my brand new. And California I'm not going to be seeing her for a while afraid. I I really think we're in for a long stretch here I don't see anything getting a whole lot better until the vaccine. That's pretty. I think that's pretty evident I. mean there may be some. Good moments here and there, but I think most experts, Phil. And I don't think any of the three of us are, but most experts say until there's a vaccine there. It's not going to be embers as the press secretary for the President says, but rather fires. That are consuming a lot of people. Sort boy, not you say. Born at Newborn grandkid. How newborn is newborn? Well, she's she's actually two years old Oh okay, and we have been able to see her a couple of times, but still hard ear. Not Happening. It's hard fill. We hope soon sooner the better for you and us all. Thank you for the call. Let's go to. We're going here. We're going to cathy. Need an oopsy does. Need him is gone so I guess we're not going to her. We're going to. Someone's got to give us a little gardens. Please seven, three, one, eighty, nine, seven and number bph. Actually that's will be working next. When this thing up I've actually had preliminary discussions bph I can't get into the details. One of us. They are looking to hire one of us when this dries up and we'll really okay. Maranda the bus Jim UPS Narragansett. Thank you for calling Ashley Hi. Marjorie and Tim. Thank you for calling. Yes, so thinks I spoke with you back. In the beginning of April, I was making masks donating or Yeah, yeah, so I've a little business down Narragansett against it, so we just made a decision to close our studio to the public for the summer. And I could be really depressing, but we actually just lost my husband's. mother to Covid. Oh I'm so. Little little. But I really want people to stand especially in New England that they think. Oh, it's over. Let's relax it. It isn't over, you know. People are still getting second dying and and I think the frustrating thing. Is that this? This shouldn't have happened at this time. She was in a nursing home in southern New Hampshire and. They were were not taking all the precautions they should. They should have been I mean I. Guess I guess I feel angry, but because of that we we decided that. It, was the most responsible thing for us to do would be to close a studio to the public, so we're still selling online, which is great and we were actually in Yankee magazine, so I've flown flooded with orders lately, which is wonderful to just stay busy and keep your mind off. What's what's the name? Yeah, what's the website again if you would? Oh. It's, willy, Wa-, Dot Com W. I l.. L. Y.. W. A. W.. And Yeah, it was a safety concern. I don't want people breathing in my face I. don't want them touching our products. If we're sending out or selling them, I would just rather just have. touching them and people can pick up outside the studio. We're not letting anybody in. and. It's actually worked out really well. People have been for the most part respectful. We've had a few people show up without outside. I'm just like step back. This is to back up a little bit for me. Luck with that. Overly. Cautious and we wish and our thoughts are with you and your husband and really sorry about your mother-in-law. Thank you for the call. You know the good news on this. You keep reporting almost every day when we were pre vacation. About you'd make ventures little walks with your younger daughter in south. BOSTON, after. I did a lot of driving around checking out the South Boston over the weekend I have to say that was the worst personal message. The the the usage rate overall is really high in in and around downtown Boston I did a lot of drugs around this weekend I. Did drive into the seaport then into South Boston and there are too many young men in particular yet or not wearing masks in South Boston on. Outside you say something to one of them last week and I had the same like you did when you spoke to want somebody that Cambridge side gallery. He? Didn't basically you know just oh my God, you know. It I mean I asked. Mass said was in his pocket. What did you say it like? Screw you in my pocket. GonNa Kinda kind of but then. I realized because I just got in there. I don't know why was hyperloop? Playing, but I was in high g about it, and then I realized that nobody else over there. How angry was very mass either he was kind of Doing that everybody else is does. So. It's nice touch. I wish. I wish I. Wish I could make a citizen's arrest. By the way, I really am even though I, think compliances going up and the state. Actually I think it's pretty decent. I did. Bring criminal charges against. The legitimize of slot and racist. Call Justice System Andropov joins for that more on this week's edition of Law and order. She's next on eighty nine seven W. G. B.. H. Boston public. Radio. Ahead on Boston public radio when it comes to Combating Racism Marty Walsh's talk the talk, and is he now walking the walk for the first time, the city of Boston we'll have a chief of equity dedicated to ensuring the city follows suance promised to fight systemic races charged with dismantling structures that uphold racism caroline. Crockett has a mighty task in front of her a couple of minutes, so join us tell more about herself and how she plans to transform. Transform the city the present who says the coronavirus may fade away is now roaring to reopen schools this fall, despite those like Anthony Fauci urging states, municipalities take extreme caution reopening trump's education secretary says the time the open is now and the trump administration may even hold up federal funds to schools. We hear more about what's happening in this from former Education Secretary Paul rebel. That more the Heaven Boston. Public radio eighty nine seven W. G. B. H.. Marcher you're listening to Boston public radio, eighty seven W. G. B., H. Look Jim Logan. Marjorie, so join US line for another edition of lawnmowers. Andrew Cabal Andrews the former Suffolk County Sheriff Secretary of Public Safety as well. She's now the CEO of a San and just completed a spectacular run with jared bone. As hosts of Boston Public Radio Will Marjorie and I were scofflaws. Your great aunt? Show thanks for hope you had fun. Thank your high. No, we did we had. We had a blast. Great thanks. Sure I've so Andrea. Supreme Court lot of action this morning. They've allowed prosecutors in New York state to see the presence. Tax Records Financial Records They probably will be shielded. From. US until after the election. And They, said the they said that the Congress could not see many of the same records, but it was a pretty surprising at least to me seven to two written by John Roberts with the Lido and Thomas. Dissenting, would you make of this? Well I think we talked about the prospect of this decision. on a show possibly last week and I mentioned that. My it was gonNA. Be Interesting to see how Chief Justice Roberts threads this needle of wanting to protect the integrity of the court and perhaps wanting to do. what he wants to do. Ideologically because those things are not necessarily aligned and this, these decisions are a classic example of that and you know for his own purposes. He's achieved that goal so essentially. You Know The New York State is allowed to see the records in the context of their own grand jury investigation, which by definition is secrets of the public will not. Get to see the records and they'd be held responsible if the records leaked somehow. They would probably be a hue and cry about that, and what they what he did or what the court did with the decisions with regard to the congressional hearings was to remain them back down to the lower courts. to further explore separation of powers issues. Which I find, you know odd, but what did achieves, is it keeps the? Outright denial of congressional power, which in my view would have violated the separation. Of powers. because Congress has very broad powers to conduct congressional investigations, but it keeps the case itself alive. In a way that? Delays. Ultimately the any disclosure of records to Congress, so they have achieved essentially trump's goal of keeping the records out of public view, while not overtly stepping on Congress's broad powers to access those records and keeping them secret at the state level. Yeah, it's fairly masterful. Actually you know even though the public will not see these as you're making quite clear. Before the elections one, a good precedent was set, maybe not vis-a-vis Congress, but in terms of a private citizen becomes president, not being above the. Law of the United States so going forward. I think the value that may be more significant than it even is vis-a-vis trump number two I think it was on the NPR news at just now. Her J. Secolo the president's lawyer, saying Great Victory A. Which is, we learned from a great documentary? For the President Documentary, we learned on a great documentary. I. Think called the choice on Gbh, every election cycle the one of the things Donald Trump learned from Roy Cohn. After having gotten wiped out in the housing. Discrimination lawsuit is after getting crushed. You go to the state how to the courtroom steps and you say we just want a total victory. We are thrilled and you've helped. Shape public opinion cycles position was we can continue to raise. Constitutional issues, but the third thing. Maybe you don't have had enough time to digest the decisions Andrea. Alito and and Thomas where the dissenters in both cases descent because that's what they do unless something horrible is about to be done to the people in this country, there are always the dissenters and one case was bad for trump. One was good for trump yet. They were the dissenters in both cases. Are you able to explain that yet, or is it too early on in this to be able to figure out where where the coming from? Yeah, I haven't had a chance to Dick. Even re fully digest. Review the majority opinion. Let alone dissenting opinion, but I assume that. And I could be wrong about this. I assume that you know they. They descend on the basis that new. York state has the right to do this investigation and perhaps descend. About sending it to the lower court in as much as they would have denied congress altogether any opportunity to see. Okay. I. Think I I. Don't know that for sure. That's just speculation. Not Having not having read it, but I completely agree that it is a very significant decision in terms of the president, not being well being immune from liability, which was his argument all the way through no matter what I do, no matter what crime I commit. You can't touch me while I'm the President I think it's a very significant decision in that regard. And I also think that the lower courts with the when this came up on the Congressional authority to get these records, these were you know with the exception of one divided decision in the court of Appeals on one of the cases. He's won unanimous decisions in the lower courts so the idea. That federal appeals court judges and Federal District Court judges would not have weighed carefully. Any separation of powers issues in their decisions is actually insulting to those courts remanding back all the way back down. on that basis I think you know is is should give people pause about the political nature of the decision to do that especially where in both the Nixon and the Clinton cases. Republicans on the Supreme Judicial. Supreme Court had no problem upholding lower court. To make their information available. Nine zero in those those instances, too. I, just want to point out that Secolo Megan on TV and so that was a great victory, but the president himself is slamming the Supreme Court, calling it a political prosecution. Compared to the wall, Muller Witch, Hunt and he has to now fight and politically corrupt New York so he he's not happy according to his tweets anyway, so the heels of hidden, praising the fact that he has put gorsuch on the court, and he put Cavenaugh Court, and how great they were going to be for conservatives. Now that they've ruled against him. They're all bums like the rest of them. Of course, we're talking to Andrea. So Antica Abroa-. This has been a recurring seen since suffer kind of attorney, Richard Rachel. Rawlins was elected to be the DA here. She's taken a lot of heat. From other district attorneys, and in some cases from state officials now these district attorney's Michael Johnson. blodget Michael Morrison Timothy crews are weighing in intervening in a case that she's working on involving these kids who are teenagers. When they were convicted of murder, there's serving life sentences without the possibly parole, and she is a woman who does not mince her words. Her quote on their intervention. This is what he said. Attention dimension that is correct. The suggestion that their assistance is required is as misogynistic and paternalistic as it is racist. Rollin said in this document from July second. So, what do you make of this constant and in this case specific criticism? Of The DA. Well first. Let's understand that this is not. Other the as simply filing in a Meka. Secure a brief in the. Case. where you're filing it as you know literally as a friend of the court to weigh in you know your position on behalf of your, you know constituents or a particular group. This is them attempting to intervene. in the KANAI south of parties to the case itself and and Jim points out. That was denied judge, and that is what makes this extraordinary? The other thing I can tell you as an elected. A former elected official that was elected countywide. Is that with regard to district attorneys who are countywide and Sheriffs who countywide that? The the boundaries of that jurisdiction are historically very strictly observed. You concern yourself with what happens in your county, and you know in terms of going against another district attorney or going against another sheriff. They were really sort of long standing. Unwritten rules about that because everyone is. Accountable to the voters in their county who elected them, and and the other thing that Da's have historically fought tooth and nail for is their individual independence to weigh in in the courts and in the public. On issues that concern their county and you I. I don I am unaware. Of any other time. in over thirty years that I have seen a group of district attorney's go at another. district attorney's position on a case like this. and. I R-. Retired federal judge Nancy Gertner was quoted in Yvonne Abraham's column. This is what we're reading about. In the globe that they had absolutely no basis to intervene in this case in the first place, and she is called their attempted intervention insulting and over the top and. Apparently never told rollins that they were going to do this before they did it. So that was the other. The lack of perspective, blatant lack of respect for her position, which is equal to there's you know as an elected district attorney in Suffolk County. and I agree with both the DA. And Nancy Gertner. that that it's completely inappropriate and it into. do it without so much as a conversation. I think they don't like what she's doing. Well. That's fine, you know you. You often find with sheriffs in DA's and even elected officials and elected district wide. You may not agree with what another elected official is doing that does not mean that you attempt to insert yourself into litigation to go against them. Also the point that evonne makes her fine piece in the Boston Globe and that rollins is never too shy to make. A she won in a landslide, and while there are a lot of people I think historically before Da's became a more of an electoral focus for that Great Aclu campaign. What A DIFFERENCE DA MAKES! which was I think terrific, get getting. People focused on it and letting them learn that actually Da's our elected, not appointed many jurists jurisdictions is there are a lot of people elected to offices like that where the voter is really don't know what he or she stands for, but. But they know that they are part of a particular machine, or they've been there for a long time. There is nobody who is not aware accused double negative of what rollins agenda was when she got seventy plus percent of the vote, there was huge play, and some criticism of her decriminalizing fifteen comparably minor crimes and her whole approach to the criminal justice system and the reason I. Bring this up. Is it bakes I? It's not only insulting. Their attempted intervention in this case. To rollins, it's insulting to the people of Suffolk County, who said overwhelmingly this direction? We want the criminal justice system. Before John George Floyd. the direction. We wanted to go in so I you know. Good for her, keep fighting here and. Good for these guys for getting called out so. We're talking to. Play a little sound for you and I. Know this is relatively fresh, and almost everybody's mind. Here's a little. Its edited this piece for purposes of time, not content of the infamous central park exchange between Amy Cooper and Christian Cooper that went viral. Obviously that was. May here's piece of it. Please, please call the cops. please. Call to collapse. African American man, threatening my life. Please tell them whatever you like African American. Recording. Threatened by. Now we all know that shortly after this video went viral, she lost her job. Amy Cooper. She lost her dog. It was ultimately returned or Shabas lost her reputation, and I have to say the other day when I heard the announcement that she was charged criminally. I was glad that she was charged. Criminally until I woke up this morning and read a couple of really provocative pieces about whether or not a criminal prosecution made sense and part of that consideration is the fact that Christian Cooper himself is said to the DA. If you want to proceed with this, do it, but I won't be a part of it. What's could you present the two sides so as Andrea and tell us where you fall in this? Well. The decision of a district attorney to bring charges in a case. While you, you may take into consideration that desire of alleged victim to Testify. That decision is made in the public's interest. And so in this case, despite the fact that Christian Cooper. Says that you know he doesn't want to be part of. It is actually not as choice they can subpoena. He would have to show up and he would have to testify and based on what I've seen of him. I would fully expect him to testify publicly, but there is this perception. That if you have a witness or victim, who does not wish to participate then you should drop the case I. Mean I appointed. Domestic violence cases is the purpose. But why that ought never to happen why the has a larger obligation? in the public's interest to bring certain kinds of cases regardless of of what might be motivating a victim or a witness to decline participation. In this case you know Christian, Christian Cooper absolutely entitled to feel the way he feels about this. He's a far more generous person than I. Given the debris, deliberate nature of this and this woman, the ease with which this woman on the phone, and put his life at risk with a very theatrical lie. but you know the idea that it ought not to be charged as a crime puzzles me anybody that has the idea that this, either in this case it should not have been charged as a crime or generally things like this ought not to be charged as a crime is not looking at the potential consequences of the actions which would place this. In a different category, it would be to look at it. That way means that you're looking at it differently than the way we look at other cry. All criminal law is based upon the consequences of the actions that are illegal. In this case, the consequences very easily could have included hit. Serious injury to Christian Cooper or his death. Depending on how police responded to it? Just because of the number of examples, we've seen in the past. We know that that's a potential consequence. Moreover, we knew that was a potential consequence. She envisioned because she repeatedly referred to his race when she threatened him with calling nine one one, and when she actually on the call with nine one one. She mentioned his race, so they'd be able to prove this case even if they didn't force Christian. Cooper testify I I expect that they would Subpoena him, but the idea that there ought not to be consequences for this and twenty twenty when we know what some of the outcomes of these types of allegations are. Is Insane to me and and I. You know I'm glad that she was charged. As well it is it is. Something to be discussed about the way that we respond when people are exposed for doing things like this and we do respond as a society with calling them out. Putting pressure on their employers to fire them. is very common thing on social media for that to happen, and for of these other consequences to flow. That's a separate discussion about the propriety of of doing that to anyone. Until they had been proven guilty of a crime, but you you repeated. We have things that are pretty obvious on videotape and an outraged public people who are going to put others in the position of. Having their lives placed in jeopardy based on a lie should always understand what those consequences should be and Amy Cooper. As a clear example of that going. The A I don't know if I explain myself. Well enough I totally agree with one piece of what you said probably with all of it, but definitely one BS, the first piece being the fact that a Christian, Cooper chooses not to proceed. While I think it should be considered as surely not determinative. It's people vs aiming. Cooper the people of New, York, state, or whatever it's called there, but let me just read it to quotes from a New York Times story. On one hand. She's already paid a steep price. This is Cooper Mr Cooper in a statement. That's not an don enough of a deterrent to others. Question Mark, bring your more misery just seems like piling on, and that's Cooper and then he goes on to say you know the can do what they want. Same Article Josie Duffy Rice. Who is ahead of something, called the appeal. It's a nonprofit website. Says ask yourself what criminal charges can do. Amy Cooper. Done. This is in a tweet. has she not face consequences. She did something absolutely horrible. She lost their job or dog or personal businesses on the front page of the papers I guess the issue being raised here. That gave me some pause because I would ordinarily one hundred percent agree with you. Andrea what gave me pause. Here is at the same time that we're. Taking a look at the criminal justice system, and what we want prosecuted what we want, not who we want arrested who we want not. Is there an issue apparently not to you about whether or not? She has suffered enough. She has faced serious enough consequences that the the purpose of punishment has already been met. You don't buy that here. No because we don't ask that question. In Ninety nine point nine percent of the cases to me the question when when you hear that response is. Why is she different from everyone else? We talked yesterday with Jenifer mckim from W. H.. Who has a great piece up on Parole Board? And we see people being who have been given a parole decision where who are paroled and out on the street, getting yanked back to serve years long sentences for things as simple as making a wakeup call to an employee at as a supervisor, making a wakeup call with employees. Who happens to have a criminal record and for drinking a glass of wine? In the I I completely understand the conversation around it, but that conversation needs to be balanced and and people who are saying you know she ought not to be criminally charged should should review their own feelings on any one of a number of criminal charges for far less serious things shouldn't happen either the argument. Thank the only reason. We're even having this conversation because she's a white woman. I mean I. Don't think it'd be having. We're having the conversation with. Cooper said he's not gonNA. Andreas, right I think the victims okay taken into consideration, but you can't do that because a lot of victims don't want to go through the court process, and then you'd have a Lotta criminals. Who should go to jail? I think it's an ordinarily and to Marjorie point. We ordinarily do not ask that question and we particularly doesn't even. To us to ask that question in millions of cases, showing people of Color, so be like I said I. Understand the desire to have the discussion. This is not the case to do it. Not Human the business of her behavior. I mean she was willing to have Christian Cooper. Suffered the ultimate consequences. I really don't want to have a discussion about how she's dealing with the consequences of her behavior. Especially when we're going to talk about this later with listeners can get into the debate then, too, I think there was a piece written by somebody a CNN piece that was saying. You know we've been talking for months, if not years now, but people african-americans getting arrested for having a barbecue in a cup of coffee at starbucks. There's shopping at Nordstrom rack. You know sleeping in the common room of their own dorm and not always arrested, but at least it costed by the authorities, so that's kind of the issue. If there's even a stronger argument that piece Marjorie further on which says, and if the cops had responded to me Cooper's phone call. She knows what the cost would have done the Christian. So, it's. Kinda like it's Kinda like the nine eleven we didn't. I mean not nine eleven two thousand eight. We didn't arrest any of these high rollers on Wall Street. Oh, my goodness! Wouldn't this be terrible? Do jail time I mean it seems to me that people that want to call the cops on African Americans or other black people living their lives. Need to pay a price or just gonNA keep happening I think well. It's not like we don't. We don't know what history comes with this. It's not like Emmett till never existed. It's not like there hasn't been a million other. Cases accidentally situated to Emmett till where people did black people did suffer those ultimate consequences, and nothing ever happened. In fact, the woman who accused Emmett till I believe is still alive, and has never been held to account for the lie that resulted in the lynching of of a fourteen year. Old Boy. So this you know she everything everything that Amy Cooper understood about history that at the time she made that call that she knew would get the police departments attention. All of that that she understood about history is the very history which she is now accountable. Having done what she did. She understood enough about history to know what to say. And that phone call to get the desired result, the consequences of that which come with all of our history in this country now being visited upon her and I don't think that's a necessarily harsh. I must say this before it. Go I'm glad you got the dog back because wash the dog pay the price. You know what I'm saying. Glad you got. A dog without woman, they gave well they didn't they take the dog from. Back. Home, I'm actually. Upset about this. Dog I mean it was yeah. Token the dog she was when I hold the dog. Yes Oh, it's yeah. Okay your time with I mean it was. It was concerning along with everything else. She was doing but okay. She's talking the talk being hurt so. Talk Awareness Wrong about that I don't want anyone. Any dogs. Thank you very much. And couple joins every week for law and order. She's the poem Suffolk County Sheriff Secretary Public. Safety she's now CEO send. Up next the fierce urgency of now Caroline Crockett, the city's first chief equity officer joins us to talk about what it will take to undo. Undo the city's entrenched racism count. Crocker's has sent eight nine seven W. G. B. H.. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston, public radio. I'm Jim Geraghty. She is margery EAGAN recent acts of racial injustice and discrimination across the country a forced Boston look at the systemic racism that has been a stain on our city forever in response to the recent calls for Change Mayor Walsh's made several commitments, DOPP, route, racism and racial equity, and he's tap caroline Crockett to lead the way she's Boston's first ever chief of equity. She joins us. Online to talk about what that will take Caroline Crockett. It's great to meet you and good luck with the job. Thanks so much. I need to look very much. Really happy to be here. Well thank you. For joining us well, let's start out Caroline Crockett tell people. What does it mean to be the? Chief evacuated. What what exactly are you going to do? It gets. It means that you get to talk to him and Marjorie live spent. That's right. I gotTA. Tell you. I'm a big fan of. Thank you that you guys have fun and yet you're able to take on the big issues, and you just shine a light on. What would you talk about a city though I? AM happy to be here with you. Is that. She's buttering US up Jim. So what is the Job Carolyn Coggin? Yeah, so, as you mentioned you know, this is my new role as chief of equity and This is a big tidal. The mayor's been really clear about wanting to really put some extra muscle on the city's worked to be really intentional about creating an intersectional Equity Lens to shine on all the work and to figure out how city hall can really better at doing the work we need to do in terms of commercial equity in terms of economic equity and inclusion in. In terms of thinking about health inequities and to the question is how do you stand up a framework and a plan that really connects across all the cities, departments and agencies, and is is is making sure that we're intentional about that work and so right around me. I haven't equity and inclusion cabinet so a team of folks who have been doing. Equity based work from day one, and so our first order of business is to stand up a really strong strategy around how are thinking about a resilience in racial equity working with opposite limited investment, working with opposite immigrant advancement, the Human Rights Commission, opposites, versity, language, and communication of how all of these kinds of services and offices, really being clear about what equity means one and then how do we drive that across all of the cabinet? Cabinet and all the cities function, and then how do we walk that out the door, so a tall order but I'm super excited. Because the mayor is clear that it's important, not just now, but for all time so this is about legacy, work and sustainability as much as it is about this moment every and right now you know curling Crockett I was really impressed by what you had to say on the moment of your. Public appointment in one of the lines that I'm sure stuck with virtually everybody as you said for too long. Boston City Hall had been an agent of racism, exclusion and Tony, `gate-keeping of the city's prosperity and. Power. Is that include everybody who's occupied that office including the guy you're currently working for? Unfortunately this is a long term story that we're telling you know we. City Hall did not just get stood up today, or in twenty fourteen When mayor walls came into office. We're talking about a legacy and a long history of of exclusion and and deal making in our city that has wounded us, and so we can go back to a history that tells a really long story of mayor that have really often use city hall as A. A place to to make favors to make deals in sometimes with a vision beyond that, but we do have that history, and so we can we can. We can go back to the history books and talk about that all day long, or we can stand up now what we're going to do to move in a different direction. You know there's so much when when we first read about Margaret, and I were talking about you and your job and. What lay ahead of you, and you know in one hand I'll put something like city contracting with women and people of Color were. The numbers are pretty bad. They're improving, but there was a recent story in the globe and said well. We're in the seven percent range other cities. Philly and others are in the High Twenties Low Thirties on that I'm not saying anything as easy I'm not that naive. That's something where you can make concrete change, and so I put that one category, but then in another category remember back to that incredible series in the global. Racism one of the things that. Just was so depressing. The survey they did of Africa I think it was in that that story. If not, it was another one in the globe. Of African Americans around the country, and they asked them to rate. How welcoming eight cities were eight major cities? The lease welcoming city by far was Boston. How do you change something like that? That's not a statutory change. That's not doing training for minority contractors to make sure that they qualify for inter able to get a lucrative contracts. How do you dress something that is for lack of a expression Caroline Crockett cultural or Something, how do you do that? Yeah, yeah, no, it's a great question. Jim Particularly, because it's asking a really deliberate question probe about how do we welcome people? What is Boston's front door and looked like so we know that people are coming here from all over the world to go to school to to conduct deals to do their business travel and I want to know what is it about the way that people experience our city when they arrive here? That's giving them a distorted view of WHO's here, so we know that as a city that's fifty three. Three percent non white I believe at last count we have a majority, non white city, and so you can come here as a business traveler and have a seventy two hour experience that means that you can go from the airport to a restaurant to a hotel, or at least before the day Kovin, you could and travel our city inexperienced. Some of these cultural riches that we have in never actually encounter a black person. Saying I've had friends and people. Tell me about that and say. Where are the people of Color? Where are the black people in? In Boston because I came for the weekend I brought my family and we were downtown I haven't seen one now for me as someone who's from here born and raised in Dorchester. The Pratt Black family in the neighborhood, astonishing to me that in twenty twenty or again pre Cova Twenty nineteen when people were moving around the city that you could come here and experience my city and had the nerve to say where the black people in what's going on. We're the LA- next people in. Where should I you know? Where should I hang out? And so there's there's work. Work to be done there because there's something that we're not doing right to really showcase, not only the cities richness and prosperity and wealth, but also just letting all of our people truly be in the city be integrated in the city and to just be around, so you come here. It shouldn't be a surprise to you what I make up, this is definitely work to be done in terms of again how people experience the city in tourism and our front door and We take that on the Chin everytime recalled out whether we're talking. Now or it's in some TV show when Boston punk punchline of a joke that has to do with how racist city is that hurts, but there's truth there we take that off. Your other questionable contract soup, sorry. Go ahead don't have. I appreciate the contracts question This is another. dogged piece of work when I was at city. Hall before in my role as director of economic. Policy Research and directing the small business. That contract question was right in the middle of my portfolio, and so really crunch the numbers to look at what is the opportunity we have? What are the dollars that are on the table in terms of the city's discretionary fan, and what else can we do and do we need to do? Disappoint small businesses being able to be at the table, and he even just small businesses, but again businesses that are m WBZ's that are black owned businesses, and really trying to to get a piece of the Pie so that is something very much cross years to we have so much. Much to do there, definitely lots of conversation and engagement from the city council with the city on this piece, and we know that it's going to be very serious about that. Because those numbers around what's happening in Philadelphia in Atlanta Those numbers are real, and they are real challenge point for us, and it shows that we need more to be done in terms of thinking through legally and procedurally what we can do to change that landscape and make sure that more people who are in the city can get can take advantage of the dollars that are on the table. We're talking to Cowan Crockett who was just in the city of Boston's first chief of equity. You know I. I have not lived here. I wasn't born here close to here, but I've lived here for most of my life and we don't all module. Thank you thank you, but one of the things that struck me since I've been here and been a reported here is we are really class and race and ethnicity obsessed. I think an unusual way in Boston for longtime the vault. The do power structure. It was like a Yankee thing. We have a real big deal and somebody that was an Irish Catholic. Actually worked their way into the fall, and then we were all shocked. We had all this flood of Italians. Oh my God. We get Menino running the city. We Got Sal to macy upright in the State House and now. As you mentioned before you go to other you don't see many African Americans when you're in the back bay or Charles Street or or downtown you go to other cities. And I'm not travel that much, but you know Philadelphia a New York City I'm kind of stunned. Look at this huge black middle class, so my theory is that we are oddly fixated and lot of people. There's a lot of Anti Semitism in Boston too, so we are unusually fixated. Maybe it's because we're so old or something but. I. Don't know I when you go to other places and I lived in California for a while I did not see that kind of. Obsession with whether you were Protestant. A Wasp, Jewish black. I mean maybe in California. It's it's chicanos and Mexicans I. Don't know, but you know what I'm talking about. Yes, I do I mean you're calling out a set of things that have to do with old school or old money. East Coast. To hide in. Boston as a nexus of that I feel like part of what we don't talk. Enough about is the construction formation of lightness, white identity in white class issues, and so we dig deeper into Boston story, and even what you you point out Marjorie and talking about the the story of certain, Irish the Irish Catholic history of the city is a tremendous history. There was a tremendous political history and also to know what that has met in terms of key Irish migration story. Story in terms of moving away from the British oppression, and so in Boston and we get this stage kind of this political history playing out here where you have the angles and the Irish sort of having this this battle this dance on this movement through government, and even if you as you were just saying too often, diversity in Boston has met Irish talion now about Menino you know God, rest his so menino as the first non Irish mayor since the depression. And so for our at a diversity has met Irish talion judicial, sometimes how narrow the scope is when we're talking about Boston at a an international city as a global city, and not just now in twenty twenty, but from our earliest moment, so, what is it meant to be what had meant to be a city that was sort of crown jewel in in the British imperial dynasty, so at the port, of Boston meant for the wealth and prosperity of of Great, Britain tells a story about a lot of the tr- the movement, the travel of goods and people and brings us right also into the Trans. Atlantic. Slave trade, so we want to talk about a richer history. transatlantic has. Then we can. We're talking about a different type of diversity narrative. That's not just about Irish Italian. That's also about a larger global empire that we manifest and so There's a lot of a lot more to say. I think also for about again. The creation of white identity in power in Boston particularly as we're refracted through the lens of of Europe. Europe in how we have to really think about what that means. In terms of the institutions that have been up here in particular again, the class issue and the the larger white European Community is something to to talk about because we don't talk about it enough. tiptoe around it and very much shapes. The way the city looks feels and behave. As morning, Walsh said to you that anything is off limits like don't talk about or tread in this particular jurisdiction or Free To. Free to go and do whatever you choose. Yes, Jim, unless you texting you right now. I as a matter of fact, he is. Now I mean in all seriousness. We've had really deep and meaningful conversations about. The work that we need to do. And the mayor says we need to just call out something that we have not spoken to awhile, and so he is He is a leader here. He's a thought partner here for all of us for me. Certainly and we're just trying to make sure that we can take advantage of of a moment. There's an alignment and charge institutional readiness across the city across the country. It feels like and public opinion that is saying. We need to do more in terms of addressing systemic racism. We need to do more in terms of understanding the racial wealth gap made take intersectional approach to this work because their gender implications here there are class race. Race. Religious all of these implications in in facets of this issue that really need to be think thinking hard about and to try to understand how the muscle of government in the power of the mayor's office can be used to move the needle on some things, and that's real the mayor is, is really focused here, and there's a lot of of of not just passion, but commitment and principal that that goes back and extends across the mayor's entire political career, so I feel really honored to to really be You know under the hood trying to piece together with that. What that means that Kim the flight because we need some change the way we saw. Really Move Yeah when you decide to call him out. Please call us and let us know hey. You know I don't want to get lost in the weeds on this, and so I hesitate to ask, but I will. One of the things you oversee is the just created right about the time that you were appointed this Boston racial. Equity Fund Lee Pelton, who's the head of Emerson has done some terrific things around these issues as cherry on I. Know You overseeing it it almost the. Zero to sixty kind of thing that's created. Raises Millions of bucks. The new Connell Racial Equity and social justice found I. Hope I got the name right, but it's something very close to that. With a lot of black and brown business, executives come together raised twenty million. They're hoping to raise one hundred million a shotgun duo. From Bekaa Black Economic Council I think of Massachusetts. Is trying to raise a million dollars as seed money kind of thing? How does everybody not step on each other's toes and the house? Everybody not competing for the same. Dollar Caroline Crockett. Shaw Yeah Jim Well We. We've all been conversation in the last couple of days even. Folks constantly and the real question here is what is it that we can do? Use the city's wide span of institutional muscle to address. We have deep deep inequities in deep problem in in the city's very fiber in terms of again, the racial wealth gap in terms of inequities and health and Economics the folks over at the Commonwealth Fund, either folks at I appreciate admire respect work with have worked with in will work with on the racial inequities. Fun Sh should work with BECK MA incredible work to say. We need to really press the gas What we know is working and bring some money to the table again. We are an incredibly wealthy. Wealthy city with institutions who have been able to take advantage of prosperity, not only in this country, but around the world now why wouldn't we all sit at the table together and talk about half to take end of that possibility and use it to the benefit of folks who have been denied for too long, so there's a big table here. We're all in conversation and trying to be very strategic and thoughtful about what that means. I'm very happy that on on our side of this Leap Hilton is is is just a just really an incredible resource source of wisdom and truth telling and so on the phone with leaders morning, and we're excited and ready to go. We're talking to Cowan Crockett. She's just been named the city Boston's first chief of equity. Rare impressive academic resume. You went Yale undergraduate school. y'All. Divinity School, but you mentioned in one of the pieces i. read about you that you went to the Windsor School in the fenway, Dorchester. Talk a little bit about that. That's an all girls private school, but you sound like that was pretty influential in your whole development as a student. Absolutely I had an incredible time. Windsor at that's where I wanted for high school. So I fortunately was recruited. To come to Windsor although I didn't know what was happening at the time. I was a student at Latin Academy and the admissions officer Abby Manny on amazing woman, was a recruiting, and went to the McCormick school, which is why I went to the Middle School and asked my sixth grade teacher at the time Berkowitz shot out with and after she had any young girls that she would recommend. And I believe that story is Miss Berkowitz said something like you know. I don't have any girls necessarily busier, but a couple years ago. I had this Juan. Little Kinda curious chatterbox. Than yeah, a Miss Nanny took that name. My name and I have been I was student. Latin, Academy, so she goes and talks to I. Think Mr Ben Swinger was the principal at the time at Latin Academy calls over to Mr Binswanger and ask for my phone number. And then calls Call Their House and I pick up the phone. And she said this. Evie Manny from the Windsor School and I said the what. School who we'd like to invite. Informational, T., which is what they have I. G. They live up to the brand, right? The session was in in the south. End on five fifty, eight fifty eight mass ab the the League of women for Kabibi Service. And Organization that still they're going strong and win over and heard about the school. And you know I thought immediately. There's no way I can go to the school. It is too fancy. It seems so nice they've had a little slide show, and it just seemed like a dream land, and the kept talking and this manning encourage me to try, and the long story because I just really felt like there was not it was not going to be possible but miraculously. Miraculously it was and I landed in that school in the ninth grade, and had an incredible time. An incredible institution for really encouraging young women to lead without question to to take our questions and are are concerned seriously, and you're in an entire environment where that is the the order of the day so Fun fun place and my schooling, and my Latin steady at academy serve me very well because I had heard later that the Latin the classics department. Peter Amran was over there, and he said that they were worried that my Latin my Latin training would be much too strong for them, and so he said the faculty were nervous because Latin School of course Latin Academy has such strong Latin training that little. Did I know that Mr Vain and MR AMRAAM? And all the folks over there were secretly kind of having their faculty meetings getting ready for me, because I can congregate with the best of so. Definitely Oh. Yeah, yeah, you want. Give us a little creek. Law Rick! Allure! Excellent but an incredible time in Windsor. Really set me up for. Just thinking about leadership in a way that that more women need to think about show I. It's been a very pass institution in the motor city by the way. As you mentioned every single. One of those people by name and I Betcha I'm serious I mean I think what that'll mean to any of them. WHO HAPPENED TO BE LISTENING? That's actually a wonderful ungenerous thing to do before you go last question for me and when you were just describing to Marjorie your experience, the Latin Academy. A land with one of the first questions I. Asked you about your jurisdiction what you're reaches. One of the things we're going to talk to Paul revel out in about a half hour or maybe in a few minutes. Actually the former secretary of education in Massachusetts is the. Endless, debate over the exam to get into the exam schools, and how some people think that it's discriminatory and as we know particularly. The proportion of blacks and Latinos is way out of whack with their proportions, student population without going into the details that because we're in through limited time. Maybe we can do that next time. Is that something that you could get involved in or is the school department? Off Limits for you. Show you know I'm still getting up to speed in terms of what? The issues are in all the departments and we're still in the information-gathering meese of this, but I know how how controversial important disconcerting is particularly because as you know I am. A lecturer at Mit and I had just a bit promoted to professor urban, planning, and policy. Congratulations thank you I'm on lead, but at MIT are right now in this very heated debate about the GRE men, so the relevant to of standardized testing for graduate students, is sort of another kind of concern in terms of how these standardized tests are doing. are preventing folks who have promise and possibility. Possibility of really shining in these environments, and so as we looked at what other institutions in higher ed or thinking about and considering there's much to digest and think about in the local context, too, so That is a an orientation I bring, but I definitely look forward to to engaging more in the conversation in terms of what we need to do for BBS, so look forward to that that updating. Thrown crooked I know I. speak from artery. Really enjoyed meeting you. Talking to do it again soon. Yes thank you both so much for some time and I look forward to seeing you in person at some point soon. Absolutely absolutely watch. Things when you first came here that Andy Field very good. Caroline Crocker. Thank you. Caroline Crockett his bosses, I ever chief of equity, and we thank you very much for taking the time with US coming up by the way the poll. Did you not love it when she named all these teachers and advisors love that context. Is, Jim, do I? Do Girls School? We'll have to your kids to yeah. I think those girls school. She chose the girl. Chose that she chose you. You're kicking screaming away coming up. What will reopening of school mean for Massachusetts Former Secretary Education Paul Rabble joins us for that and more. He is next on eighty nine seven W. G.. B. H. Boston public radio. Back, to Boston Public Radio Jim Brady Modrica. Join US online talk about all the ways. Coronavirus continues this strain, our education infrastructure, and with a long term, consequences could be for teachers for students for parents as Paul revel Paul's Professor at Harvard University's Graduate School of Education Real so runs. The education redesigned lab. His latest book has co-authored Lane Weiss and his called broader bulb better. How schools and communities help students overcome the disadvantages of poverty low poll rebel. Allow Jim and Marjorie. Summer. Yes. We're glad to talk to you, too. Looking forward Kobe fall the COVID winter. Crazy I don't know winning. Guy. So Paul rebel. What is the update on schools in Massachusetts? What's happening? Well you know the Commissioner issued some guidelines. About a week or ten days ago and and schools now are being asked to come up with the you know three different kinds of plans alternative plans about how they might open in the fall, ranging from having all students come back to school to having all students learn online and inbetween some form of hybrid model, so they're putting together those plans and submitting them to the department. Meanwhile the Department is refining a certain guidance and direct is for example they've not yet come down. Guidance to my knowledge about transportation and transportation is key because. Because we've we have a number of concerns about spacing and adequate space in schools in Boston, for example. If the earlier guidance on transportation were to be followed, you'd have to double the number of buses and double the expenditure and transportation, which is you know about ten percent of the Boston budget north of one hundred million dollars, and that's just not feasible, so transportation guidelines in some places will be absolutely critical to reopening and then, of course, everybody's watching you know how the the various guidelines affecting health and safety we'll. We'll play out in the future. I mean I think the the guidelines that were issued Massachusetts took into account, the recommendation, the American pediatric. Pediatricians. And, for example, move spacing down from six feet to three feet, and made the case that you know children in many respects are. Less at risk in this Corona virus outbreak than adults, and there's some pretty strong evidence on that, but of course, the endeavor of education involves a lot of adults at the same time as well children are less likely to get it less likely to show symptoms less likely to have severe symptoms, and as yet there's no real evidence that their transmitters, but nonetheless I think Massachusetts appropriately proceeding with caution and you know it's GonNa be a combination of a lot of local decisions in terms of how this gets addressed, and finally last thing I'd say, is you know of the districts are laboring under the enormous Sort of budget challenges that are presented here. With state aid quite likely to be down and local revenues down We're waiting on the federal government to do something, but schools are being asked to do more for students than ever before as a result of this crisis, and to change their curriculum, and and developing new and different ways, all of which is enormously expensive at a time when they're likely to see significant budget cutbacks, so That's what school people are dealing with right now and I. Don't Envy School leaders. It's a really. Tough job to be at this moment. I WANNA. Talk about the money issue for Menopausal rival before we talk about the white. House is I. Don't know if you WANNA call it directive man, whatever the Hell Donald Trump and vice president pence said yesterday. What the consequences! There is just read this morning. There's ninety billion dollars. For a local schools directly or indirectly in the so-called Heroes Act passed the house. That is going so far nowhere. In the Senate, there was thirteen and a half billion for local school districts in anytime. I'm wrong. Correct me, please bowl in the cares. Act Did pass him become law, but the thing that I read what? That's correct. Yeah, okay, what? I read this morning that I didn't understand, nor did I understand who was the? Fault of the thirteen and a half billion, which obviously Pales next the ninety that has already. Become, Law The New York Times story read this morning, said that only a billion and a half I believe his been quote drawn down. By local school districts, which is what one eighth or whatever the hell one ninth of the amount eleven percent. Why is that? Why even though thirteen point five is nearly enough? Why is such a small percentage of that which was provided been drawn down by local school districts? Well I suspect that districts are projecting that their greatest need is going to be in this coming or current fiscal year which. For most districts they move into a new fiscal year, a new state budget year, new local budgetary year as of July first. And districts while some districts letter. Some districts actually had surpluses in the fourth quarter, because some of their expenses were lower as a result of You know for example things like transportation and. In some instances food and things of this nature, but as they look forward to the coming year, which begins as of July first, and those drawdown figures will probably change. That's they're really going to need myself. Because that's where the shortcuts, they won't have full stated they won't have full local. and they don't even know where the federal is going to be for, so I suspect they were waiting to cross that June, Thirtieth July first line before drawing, not knowing if the next batch was ever going to be approved by the Senate and the president, so the White House yesterday. Paul, rebel says. You're going to reopen or else and I'm going to deny you. I Donald Trump in the federal government could deny you. What power reassuming he stays focused on this, which is an iffy proposition. He tends to move from topic to topic. What is realistic consequence of or is there a consequence of trump saying? If you don't open up, they'll will be financial pain. Well let me first say. Everybody wants to open school. Right for kids and parents for our economy in the fall so you know the idea that somehow the president is choosing to politicize this and and make this rather than a health and safety issue to turn it into Air Either with me or against me. Kind of political campaign is just a shame. He doesn't any authority with respect directly to the decisions made on schools opening. That's a combination of state and local authority. You know the federal government in general, it provides about eight percent on average. Of the revenues go to support public education in the United States, so it's a relatively small portion. Of course, it's a big enough portion that most districts that particularly in these times can't afford to walk away from it, so withholding that aid would certainly have an influence in terms of districts behavior, as it always has in terms of federal policy. A lot of federal education policy only has the strength of you know the money behind it and people aren't willing to walk away from the money soon. Conform with the policies to go along with. No child left behind another You know accident nature so i. You know it feels to me like the Washington Post that a good piece on this today and said you know shouting isn't a strategy. Shouting building isn't the way to make schools reopening in the fall. Actually Happen Nor I. My dad is holding out Florida as I was shocked to see Secretary Devos Holding Up, Florida. You know as a as a way to go in terms of reopening, because the governor's declared. They're going to reopen when we've just seen what's happened to Florida on a very ill advised course of reopening the general economy, so you know as with many other things that we've seen particularly exposing this corona by the administration wash doesn't have a strategy to begin with and place it. That is bluster They got a wild. You know wildfire outbreak around the country right now. That's obviously going to be put out before states reopen. And then they got to come to grips with these cost factors, and also you know the participation of adults. I mean you know a substantial portion of our teachers are are older than fifty years old and. They're at risk in this equation as well. That has to be contented with. The other. Considerations the the idea that he's GonNa mandate it I I. It's just I frankly I one more distraction to get us off the topic about badly. The coronavirus crisis has been handled by the federal go-. Unwell. Apparently some universal university officials from you Massar telling. International students not to panic, but I can understand why they might be panicking, because with these financially strapped colleges and universities. Because of you know the tuition's losses last year, and what may happen going forward? The trump administration wants to keep hundreds of thousands of international students from studying here this fall, which would further cripple the funding of these colleges and universities. I know he's not wild about international people. But I mean this is a self defeating I mean this actually happens. The U. Mass Amherst people seem to think along. It's an example of the same kind of bullying tactic another word for reasons of his own, but you're legitimate reasons. He wants to get the economy started. He wants to return to normal. Even if you know a scientific analysis, the data on the ground would suggest it's not time to return to normal, but you know the wish gives rise to the to the shouting, and so he's going to do whatever he can to push. Universities to try and open at levels that they don't feel safe operating at and and so that's what we have. Here is a push. Push on the international students into. Say if you're attending an institution. That's all online. Then you have no right to stay in the country. You've got to return your former country. you know the education is probably the fourth or fifth largest export that the United States has in terms of our economy? It's vital to the economy overall not just to the financial health and wellbeing of universities. Vital to the. The talent pool in this country not only developing our own domestic talent, but bringing students from other countries who? Develop their talent here. Many stay here. Many contribute to our economy. Others go back and help grow their own economy, so to throw roadblocks in the pathway of institutions that are trying to do their best to serve that population is just really ill advised and I'm glad to see. It's going to be challenged in court I see Harvard, MIT or or failure I say, and the Attorney General or healy apparently is going to sue the trump administration on this so to be continued. We'll see what the courts have to say this, but it's another ill advised heavy-handed top down sort of bullying move. Eight well, you Marjorie talking about higher Ed. I don't know if this is a useful comparison, but I'll do it anyway is so the vast majority majority of higher education institutions which have spoken to what the fall is GonNa look like the vast majority are not talking about come on down. Everybody will do in. In, person classrooms will do some hybrid or Like Harvard Forty whatever it is up to forty percent can come back, but you. All the classes online the Ivy League yesterday announces no full sports. The necsports round will be spring assuming that there's a healthier time than so. College kids who are much less likely to go home from college to live with an older person who could be more at risk from corona virus. It's not safe enough for them to go to school, but it's safe enough for a young kid to go to school, who almost definitely is GonNa go home to spend time with and live with an older person. Maybe even a grandparent is much older. It is absolute deadly, instead the IT. It is just it is unbelievable to me, and as you said Paul in your opening line, it plays on the notion that if you don't buy into the Trumpian idea that schools have to reopen, then that means this. He said. You've got a political agenda as if anybody doesn't want their kids back in school, both for the kid for the parents, so they can work more efficient way on and on like this, but it is. Totally insane, so if we asked you to be nostradamus and I know every state is different. What does the full look like? In. K. Through twelve is what does legal just think it's? It's high. It's going to be highly variable Jim. It's just we've got so many different jurisdictions that are. Widely different stages of their encounter with this disease, and therefore the risk factors are quite different, and we have some places out there all America that have been virtually untouched. By this as yet of course that could change at any given time so their perception of the risk and what they're able to do may be quite different than you know if you're in Phoenix Arizona at the moment looking toward school opening, but forget you. Forget Phoenix for a second Paul. Rhino is. We set Arizona. Has the highest number two case rate event if it was a country of any country in the world, Massachusetts is doing great right now. You mentioned like the bus issue in. How are we going to get kids to school? This is in a place where at least as of today and we hope it continues. The Corona virus is under control so even in a relatively decent health public health environment, can you? You can't assume you can't envision a normal school. Fall in Massachusetts Kanye No I! Don't I don't think it. Is GonNa be a normal school for? Education. Leaders and government leaders generally impairments. Are GonNa want this I? mean the other part of the equation of course that we haven't been talking, but now it's GonNa be over their feet, and there are a lot of parents who have deep reservations about sending their children back to school. And it significant New York City did a poll of. Their parents and twenty five percent at deep reservations seventy five percents that they consider it, but it all depends, and the numbers are much more variable in in other places, we have differences, and and how parents of color view going back to school versus You know white parents relative to what they think. The risk factors are so what? Is it. What is the difference obvious or is it? What is the difference well pull that I saw recently that sixty six percent of of white parents and this was a local regional sample. felt okay about sending their kids back to school in the fall, whereas only forty four percent, parents of color felt that way. Of Color have more direct. Their immediate communities. and so they're more wary and so I think there's going to have to be a lot of local sensitivity to this. You mentioned the Transportation Challenge Jim well that pertains in districts that are heavily reliant on busing. You know for for transportation purposes in other more of. Sort of affluent suburban communities where you have a lot of parents driving to school. What were they're walking to neighborhood schools? It's going to be less of a factor. So all I'm saying is that the conditions are so variable. I think what you're gonNA find in the fall of Massachusetts, is a lot of variety I. Think you'll find to probably a few schools that go go back to school in what we call quote, unquote, normal fashion which is to say in person. person but in person will be different. People will be wearing masks. We'll be distancing things of that nature I think you'll find probably relatively few. That will go completely online in the fall. I expect more normal model in Massachusetts to be this hybrid idea which is, you'll have students coming in two or three days a week and and then another batch of students coming in the other three days a week, and the rest will be done online remotely. Paul. Jake your problems for parents. Interrupting you only because we have like a very short amount of time, left and James. been stalling over there because. This. Jim Jim has jim and Jim's during the zoom. We're doing zoom you I could see his room there and I didn't know that you have your presence. For the Massachusetts Teachers. Not True. Not True! Yeah. Well he got the president's award. He's been the tank ever since, so he's stalling because he didn't want to discuss this story. Where the globe editorial trashes the MTA. That's a Massachusetts teachers. Association Jim is a proud recipient of the presence award. Saying that exploiting the corona virus crisis. What are they doing Paul? Well. They only had like A. Lot of a lot of individuals and organizations they you know they see the crisis as an opportunity, and I don't mean that. That's nearly a negative way, but it's an opportunity for them to advance a longstanding agenda. Unions are organized not for the benefit of children. They're organized for the benefit of their members. So, they have been around us. About Safety, their members, which is totally appropriate. They've been out front about getting adequate resources into the schools. Which I think, most education advocates are in favor of however, they've been relatively inflexible at least in the rhetoric about the conditions that the state, the nation and local communities facing with respect to the budget. We just. are going to be really strapped for resources that six billion dollar hole in the state, budget and We can't make that up. In the air or out of a rainy day fund. Mentioned M at trying to get rid of the UNCAST forever Hogan stand here. The, yes, they have long. Opposed to any standardized right and and accountability, and they're using this as an opportunity to bulldoze that off the off the scene altogether, and it's unfortunate it I think it's anti equity in my view in other words, we need keep track of how well the schools are doing and educating all of our young people, all means all we need to segregate the data. Look how different groups are doing and to eliminate any testing. Testing and say Jim? Let's just go back to let every teacher do their own thing. Every school system do their thing, but we know how that worked out. It worked out to the tremendous disadvantage of students of color and low income students. We can't go back to that former world. We've got to move forward. Yes, of course, we're going to need to make adjustments to the conditions that we're facing as a result of Gerona. But that doesn't mean we're not going to assess student performance and hold parties accountable for doing. A better job especially with those, we've least well-served. Paul thank you so much. We are out of time, but thank you very much for sending Jim Straight over there. I appreciate it unfortunately, I heard none of that straightening the president's award. On this conversation. Muslim. Sweet four feet. Tall your. Percy's Graduate School of Education. Education, redesigned lab latest put Kuwata with Lane wise broader balder better how schools and communities to help students overcome the disadvantages of poverty. Thank you, Paul. I'm sorry we had to rush off coming up for opium lines and asking you Amy Cooper already paid a price for her white privilege enough of a price. This is eighty nine seven. W.. H. Boston public radio. Back to Boston public radio. Jim, Brady and Marjorie and if you're just tuning in, we were talking to Andrew Kerala I don't know half hour or so about Amy Cooper, and whether she should be prosecuted as the Manhattan Eighty, nine, seventy, just prosecuting cooper only reinforce the criminal justice system, so many are protesting every day, or does she need to be prosecuted in order to send a message Indrika Bra suggesting other would-be Karen's who were quick to call the cops on people of Color, the numbers eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight nine. Seventy Andrew felt very strongly. This is not about Christian Cooper. It's the people against a amy. Cooper and the Manhattan da did the right thing to proceed with this deal I think I end up where she is, but I have to say in an era when we're reevaluating what criminal justice system should do and. What police should do? I'm given pause until as I. said earlier read the argument which was powerful in the other direction. If Amy Cooper had been successful, the cops would have come, and who knows what would have happened if they believed her. Telling retailing of what Christian Cooper allegedly even though is untrue, had threatened her with so I guess I was on the fence for a while, but I come down with corral the charges of the right thing. I was on the fence while too, but the more I read the more off the fence. I got an particularly when we think about what we're talking about is systemic racism in the criminal justice system and fair sentencing, african-americans, white people and the fact that so many. African Americans have been. Accosted get show me your ID etc when they're doing nothing but having a cup of coffee. You're having a barbecue, so I don't think we would be having this conversation where Amy Cooper Black woman and not a white woman so anyway. I changed my mind midway through this whole discussion. Bruyneel from High Park Hey Bruyneel. How are you good to talk to you? Hi Jim Walking bad from wherever you went. Thanks. What's up? What. You have. Before besides you. entry is one of my favorite people in this radio. Soon Great. She's great, we love. SMART, she's just she's really smart logic with you something. That's really rare nowadays. Forty five. For near, I'll tell you a secret. Unlike unlike me, I have two very piece of paper in front of me with the NAP, the numbers and the facts and figures, and all that Inter never brings papers. It's all on her head. I really I really resent that that she could fake all those things in her head, but I need all in front of me, but go ahead Virginia. I don't have one iota of sympathy for missile. Whatever anymore miss. Cooper, I cooper, yes, because. She could have. This could have been killed. And she knew. And and you could see i. play the piano, so she was go to piano forty. She was increasing the volume of her of her rage like symphony to convince the police. Yeah, I'm. GonNa be I'm going to be killed. I'm I feel threatened. The. Gun blazing ensure that poor guy. You know and and Jim the feeling that you have about well. We evaluating what the police does I think that should. Completely be seen following the release of many For, young black kids for marijuana sales when people profiting on on on cannabis right now. Right on your that happens, we shouldn't be. It just. That's what I'm saying well I. DO Agree to, and you know one of the points she made is. Putting words in your mouth, but I think she'd be okay with this and you made the point. Marjorie of if anchor black. Would we be having this discussion? The answer's probably no intil. All the other circumstances which do involve people of Color are addressed than a revamping of the criminal justice system Amy Cooper shouldn't lead the charge. And I you're all right I. Think you make good points Brunner, next time, we'd love to talk to you about your piano work. I wasn't aware of that. I'm very curious so next time you call, let's bring it up. Eight seven Prunier. Thanks for the call eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, hundred, nine, seven Andrew in the car. Welcome Andrew Go. Hey thanks I. I was really on the fence about this for a while to that video was hard for me to watch on many different levels but ultimately I feel like in this situation. I feel like you should come down to whether or not. He really wants to press tigers, or if he wants to pay Kerr. Sit Down and have a real conversation and say look you know like you did this horrible thing to me and put me in this horrible situation. I'm giving you a second chance to come face to face. Face with what your issues are and Maybe they should be. She should be forced to you. Know have a conversation. Do some sort of counseling or something like that versus paying a fine or doing something of jail time, which would maybe just make her angrier and more spite. You know you know what I mean like I. Feel like a lot of that. Stuff is just gonNA. Make be like Oh. They did this to me instead of actually making her come face to face with with a situation or an issue that she but Andrew. Andrew what. What's the implication for the next Amy Cooper? If that's. Direction. And I think that's what caused me. To, because I think I was sort of where you were, and then again, listening to Andrea and Marjorie and reading a little bit more, this is happening all the time. It's not isolated and. Gun. Well it's. It's so crazy to me that. Thing just continually. Keep happening like I don't know I. Don't know when when adults in this country are going to realize that like whatever they put online or whatever they're doing is like is energy public for people and you know everything from like those those things years ago with with Anthony Weiner like like winter adults in this country. GonNa realized the you know like you're you're going to be whatever stupid thing you do is is GonNa. End Up in front of people. In Theory Andrew you shouldn't do it. Even if it's not going to end up in front of other people but I. I. Agree Andrew Thanks for the call. We really pretty sure. Coined the near Times falsely reporting this confrontation as she did, is misdemeanor massive penalties year behind bars, but it's likely. She got here behind bars. She's much more likely to receive conditional discharge cents, community, service or counseling, so she might get just. The caller was just mentioned that community service and counseling kind of thing. And, by the way her lawyer. Told the newspaper that. She's GonNa fight the charges. So that's kind of odd to anyway Martin Brooklyn. Thank you for calling I'm already. Marnie, how are you? Time. Marty is usually sending US critical emails. Rather than calling us, but we're glad to talk to you. On the line here I usually give up and just send something in quickly. Kidding. I'm kidding. We're glad to hear from what's up. Well Anyway. Thank you so I find this fascinating because the criminal justice system tends to. Bend over backwards. Especially prosecutors to honor victims of crime when the victims are really passionate and want a lot of retribution, but when they don't. They often get the well. We have for the public, not for you, and in this case, I think what happened was very serious. I actually have no problem charging her criminally. Sorry, but what I. What I would want is a jail sentence for instance and when Jim said recently a minute ago. What's the implication of doing this? The problem is our criminal justice. System has gone overboard in criminalizing things in things. We have twenty five pretty five percent of the world's inmates. It's disgraceful just like what's going on with covert and so this idea of sending messages really gets overused that we can send a message by prosecuting her, but we don't need to send a message for instance by trying to give her a jail sentence, so there's the short version of my rant on this. I was good. One Martin. Thank you. Thank. You, thank you much. I mean processor and inequity in the spirit of equity. Some consequence short of jail time might accomplish the goals that everybody seems to be advancing here which you did commit a crime. And she did put him at colossal physical risk based on all that we know, and so maybe that is the solomonic way to get through this well. He's also obviously very nice guy. Maybe bird-watching is the key. He's a bird watcher Jim. Maybe that's something we should consider by the way in all seriousness. I've read a couple of interviews with him he is. Other worldly he's really is. An incredible. Jury the story yesterday by the way in the paper about another African American burglary teaches at Harvard who's pedaling across the country for black lives. Matter I think inspired by Christian Cooper I mean is there sort of subculture of African American birdwatchers? I guess which I was unaware of and. Christian Cooper's endless famous burger in America right now, and for the wrong reasons, but boy does he seem like an incredibly? grownups strong, human being I'll tell you. Okay. We are switching gears. We're going to talk about this new book or about the dreams that people are dreaming during this pandemic, and why it's truly the thing of nightmares, we'll talk the dream researcher behind a new collection corona virus dreams find out why we're dreaming, and why? That is next on eighty nine seven W. G. B. H. in public radio. In Boston, Public Radio Jim Brady and Marjorie Regan for the last few months. We've covered just about every way. The Corona viruses changing our everyday lives today we're looking at how it's affecting our sleeping lives with a focus on our dreams. Why are they more vivid? Bizarre and why are we remembering them more in March digitally Barrett a dream researcher at Harvard started collecting dreams using an online survey there now making over new book. It's called pandemic dreams Durbar. Thanks so much for joining us. Nice to be here. Yeah thank you so much. This is wild stuff that you've been documenting, but tell us I a Deirdre Barrett. How'd you get onto this? What did you do this? well I. I I've studied dreams, my whole life I. Edit the main International Journal teach to dream courses. Harvard and I have many interest within dreams, but one of them is dreams and trauma our dreams after crises so I'd collected dreams after nine eleven and several other events, so as this started happening. It just seemed very obvious that this was going to be an important time in Airdrie lives and survey up as soon as I could. and I wonder if the dreams of people have during this time, the krona virus are dramatically different than those like in in the nine eleven situation where the World War Two POW's you study them two very different. Yeah in most in most wave, the pandemic dreams are very similar to other crises. I mean for example. After nine eleven, the average person was having anxiety dreams, but they weren't really traumatized in the formal sense, we mean that in psychology, whereas the the first responders, the firemen and police and the people who barely got out alive from the ground floors, those people were having really class sick reenactment post traumatic. Dreams and I'm seeing the same thing in the pandemic dreams. The average person has a lot more anxiety than usual in their dreams, but the average dream is not a full on nightmare, and there are a few positive dreams, whereas the healthcare providers are having these horrific. Now you want to get. You see from warzone. Specific Dreams at a minute before we do this I found this wildly interesting and I. Hope it's okay to say actually entertaining and an odd sort of way. But why does it matter you write that that will help us move through this crisis. How does understanding what we dream? Help us live better when we're not dreaming. That dreams are just our mind or brain, however you WanNa say thinking in a very different biological state, so we're still concerned with all of our usual thoughts and concerns personal, but it global level. So I think that I think it's just another way of thinking about things, and not at all that dreams are wiser, but just by being such a different kind of thinking they sometimes give us ideas or make breakthroughs or show us things about our emotional states that we've repressed, so it's another window in how we're feeling, but also how we maybe should deal with this. We know I'm reading some of these different examples, which to in a second, but when you read about somebody's have Israel, having a affair with Andrew Cuomo, coming down the elevator with and stuff like that. Senior? Yeah probably millions of Americans women anyway. Lots of people have pretty great dreams, and some of US have no dreams at all, not now not ever that we can remember. So, is there something Amiss with people that get up in the morning and maybe remember something for two seconds out. The alarm goes off, but that's it. I know there's with within a normal population. There's a really wide range in dream recall from some people who remember multiple dreams most nights to people who will say the last time they were called. A dream was two or three years ago, so yeah, that is normal range. We're all dreaming several times a night, but the differences in recall and those differences are huge, so can you? Can you explain some of the common themes I mean we should say thousands and thousands of people responded to your online survey, so it's pretty representative sample. What were some of the common themes? Well they they evolved over time at the start dreams about coming down. The virus were the most common, and there were several subsets. One was pretty literal either. Completely realistic I'm having trouble breathing. I'm spiking fever. Therefore, I'm realizing I have coded or a little bit dreamlike like one woman looked down at her stomach, and saw blue stripes on it and four remembered that that was the first sign of covert infection, but then others are very metaphorically, but the dreamers still identifies them as being about the virus or the threat of the virus like. swarms of bugs fly yeah Yeah Oh, and other bug attacks. I that's the biggest exception to what I saw. In past crises, I did not see bug A. Tax whereas there are just dozens and dozens dozens of every kind of bug, attacking dreamer and I think that's partly because of the slang terms say I'm coming down with the BUG to virus. But also just lots of little things that cumulatively could harm or kill. You is a good metaphor for the virus particles. On. Oh go ahead. He'll go ahead. You're going. That! Those were common and and also sort of practicing distancing dreamer would go out and public suddenly realized they didn't have their mask on or there. They were too close to people and panic or other people would be doing it wrong and and The dreamer would tell them, but later it became more about the secondary effects. people begin to have more dreams that were metaphors for the lockdown, mostly or for home, schooling or being furloughed from work and I I like what you said about there being entertaining or some that aren't in one. Really unpleasant dreams, but they're funny. like a like. What people who shelter? People are sheltering alone. Dream often about being thrown in solitary confinement and some Kafka esque way, but one woman was sent to Mars as the first one person Mars colony which had not. Four. That's a great metaphor. Here was A. Nightmare to any parent there was a woman who was really homeschooling her ten year old and real life, and presumably having some stress from it because she dreamed that she got a message from her child school, saying that the entire class was being ten to her condominium and she would need to home school. The entire class love that one grew. And now that we're talking to. Her book is pandemic. Dreams. Yes. Speaking of dreams did I not read that the. I shouldn't reference your cover on radio because people can see it, but this incredibly strange cover. Is this not a representation of one of your dreams and not right about that? Yes. Yeah I'm describe it as best you can. I dreamed that I was in an old fashioned library. It was very beautiful and cozy inside, but I knew that something horrible was happening. Outside of the whole earth and it, I. It wasn't clear what it was, but it began to coalesce as being the medieval plague of Europe and so I was actually looking into sly great but I'm focused on what was outside so I make a lot of dream art, but usually I wake up and try to get the image really exactly, but when I woke up from that one didn't make any sense to do the library. Just didn't go with the feeling, so I took more liberties than usual the image and so the image is the the classic medieval plague doctor with his beak like mask stuff, yeah! What that took that from an old lithograph and I have him wandering through scape of Covid nineteen particles, big ones brown small ones in the air. You know you had some great dreams in here involving cure for the virus. Tell us about those. Yeah well. I, I mean happy. Dreams at all are quite a minority, but there are some and curing the virus is one and most of them are kind of fantastic. Someone's discovered. There's something in cat saliva that. That will cure the virus You can get robbins to come in and carefully reach through your ribs and pull out the COVID. Nineteen particles Melissa pretty fantastic things, although there was one guy who dreamed not a cure, but a detection that is actually being used now not because of his dream, but he dreamed that he was in a supermarket, doing his panic shopping with his dog. Try just focused on getting everything fast, and the dog kept grabbing his pants leg, and pulling him away from people, and after a few times he realized that the dog could smell people who were infected with. COVID nineteen and And was getting him away from them, and that was back at the end of March and now April there begin to be articles on how the same people who have dogs trained to sniff? Sniff Cancer, which they've been doing for a decade with good reliability that they were starting to train them to see if they could detect cove it, and now there's been an article that one of them has positive results for that so for a dream ten come up with a very practical things that at the time he dreamed that he knew about the cancer sniffing dogs, but he had. There been no publicity that anybody was started. Undoing that covid. deirdre burrowed whose book is pandemic? Dreams are or are we dreaming more and more vividly, or we just sleeping longer, because so many people are. Doing less and trying to avoid life Moore's have something to do with the rim cycle thing or Are we dreaming more. Yeah, I! mean, it's not an either or dreaming more but. Partly because any crisis, tres that their dream life a little bit, but usually we get less sleep in a crisis, but this one we get more sleep and hours that you sleep is strongest Carla with dream recall because we dream every ninety minutes, but each dream period gets longer through the night so if you sleep seven hours instead of eight, you're missing your last longest. Period of rapid eye movement sleep when your most vivid dreams happen, so we were catching up on sleep in general especially dream time early on lots of people were sleeping. You know even more than eight hours as a catch up and dreams seem to be very vivid in the first week or two, but still the average person is still sleeping more than they do in. Return to the dream. Recall thing that Marjorie mentioned the being. She remembers she says virtually nothing. I remember very little. The I said to Marjorie before you came on the only thing I remember from my covid, nineteen dreams, and I don't remember the content I had a long intense conversation with Charlie Baker. The governor but I can't remember what it was about. Talking, but I know that we had an intense. Long thing. Are there. Are there tricks to the trade about? Two things one how to better remember what you have dreamed an to. I know their tricks of the trade. You believe about how to change the the the. Quality well quality portrays change the kinds of things you dream about. Can you start with the former? Is there a way to remember them better and more? Yes, I mean it. But first of all what I just said about the strongest Carlotta recall is hours of sleeping and I'm betting that both of you guys were in the minority. That was not getting more sleep after this hit. You were not allowed from your jobs, and you were having to learn you. Know Zoom, or you know whatever working remotely from home regarding off the phone, so so so you're probably very atypical that sense and. The governor could broadcasters dream, but but beyond that things that that work kind of aside from hours of sleep are to self suggests just as you're falling asleep. Remind yourself that you want to recall your dream and have either a paper or your computer type into or these days there lots of phone apps that record your dreams. They'll work as your alarm clock if you need an alarm clock and trigger you. What were you dreaming so? So so having something to record your drain, and when you wake up, not jumping up or turning your attention to anything else until you've kind of laying on reflected If there's a piece of dream, sometimes it all comes rushing back, and if you don't pay it any attention, then it'll be lost forever because it's in a very fragile short term memory, and we have to kind of replay them into long term memory. What do you mean? The APPS I want to be clear. Does the APP wake you? An alarm at times that are most likely to be those when you will be dreaming, and if you wake up in the middle of a dream, or are you more likely to remember if? You wake up in the middle of a dreamy are more likely to remember it. And there are some really specialized apps, or you can just program your phone to wake you up multiple times through the night. If you're really a dedicated agreement easiest, but no, the most standard APP just will wake you up whenever you would otherwise be setting an alarm clock. The only difference is that they have several options of what they wake you up with and. And what were you dreaming is one of them, and then you don't even have to reach over and hit record on your phone. Because once they've triggered the alarm and ask you that they're waiting to voice riccar. That's what there's Doreen, cloud and dream, board or two of the common ones, but there are a dozen dream regarding apps for your phone. We're talking to Deirdre Barrett, the book is pandemic dreams about the dreams of people have had. During the coronavirus mess, you don't I'm wondering a lot of people that go into that have trauma as a young person. Whether it's. Or nine eleven obviously young person necessarily but. One of the reasons they go into therapies because they're having nightmares all the time and they're trying to get rid of the nightmares that rehash the author saying that happened to them, so I think for some of those people not remember your dreams becomes like a triumph, and you're almost afraid. You WanNa. mean of going back. To remembering your dreams because you don't want to remember those bad dreams you have whatever happened to you when you were your kid, you know what I'm talking about. Yes and I would encourage people who know that they've really bad trauma if if they're wanting to work with dreams, doing it slowly and carefully, and ideally with therapist yeah. Also, you were asking earlier about ways to not have anxiety, dreams and nightmares and repeat St Nightmares working with a syrup EST and re scripting the nightmare to some kind of mastery dream. Yes, yes, the best technique, but for garden variety anxiety dreams I'm just. Anxious about covid I- terported it I. Just want to not have as many of those. You can do that really well. On my own the best technique is to think of what you would like to dream about. You know it's it's if you try not to sneak white bear. You think of it, so you're not falling. Telling yourself I hope I don't have things dreams again. You're saying you know I WANNA dream about this I want to visit with this friend that I haven't seen in ages in my dream or I WANNA dream about my favorite place or want during the flying. If you like flying dreams, so pick an ideal dream, and then just tell yourself that you want to dream about this as you fall asleep and form a mental image. A simple, just the an image person, you WANNA see your the place or plumbing because our dreams are so. that the visual suggestion gets. To it, especially well and in one study I did we're college? Students were trying to dream on particular topics. fifty percent of them were were successful. In. Yours we're a lot of the failures were failure to recall dreams at all, which even that would take care of Zion Adri so essentially so to be clear for One particular I'm sure we have this amongst our listeners for those who want to stop dreaming about. Let's say Donald Trump and Mike Pence and WANNA dream more about Anthony Foul. You just. Think. Right before you lie down and do doctrine. Chemical, conversation with. Injury Okay I'M GONNA. Try that tonight. If I can talk, prepare book is pandemic dreams. You had some great dreams involving vaccines and in bombing. Tell us about those. Yeah I mean there were definitely dreams about healthcare providers helping you. Yeah, but there were some dark. Side of the you know the healthcare professions image where there was one dream we're. Shopping Mall. They were giving a vaccine. They said, but as the woman got near the front of the line to get her vaccines, she saw that the syringe that arsenic on it s that they were killing people. There was another one where where oral drug for it seem to make people sick rather than protect them And, then yeah, there was a dream. this elderly woman in Florida, interestingly walked by a place that that said we embalm the living. and. She went in to see what this was about and indeed that seemed to be what they were doing, and and she fled the place. And she associated that, too. It was. Florida with having its first round of outbreaks then and mostly the elderly who she felt like. We're not being protected. In OJ Japan is the truth. You can't dream that you die. If Dream Your off the bridge. Wake up before you hit the ground so true. No, not true I get a study hundreds about die and they're much. Dreams where you almost die, but drizzly almost die are always scary, and what was really weird was the majority of dreams for the dreamer actually died were neutral to pleasant and sometimes they. Variance of dying, but it was kind of peaceful and other times they died, and then they went into some afterlife scenario, which again the majority of the time was a positive one, so they're much rarer, but but you absolutely can so don't. There's no truth to that. You know he would die in your sleep if you. Okay. So, he's worried about if I do, wake up, start, remember my dreams. Remember the wrong things. You know what I'm saying, do you? Want that to happen. Hey, thank you so much. Study Yeah thank you, congratulations. To, talk you to call. Thanks. Yeah. 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Teofimo Lopez vs Devin HaneyNeofimo Asking For 10 MILLIONDoes He NOT Want It To Happen
"Acids intended for mature audiences. The views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates. Enjoy this is michael buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready for boxing voice every day i'm hustle hustle and bustle hustle and bustle in hustle and bustle in hustle hustle and bustle in every day. I'm hustle hustle was the phase. One name deonte. Wild is every time i am speed and if not almost to be awful. Nobody's good morning. good morning. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another monday morning. Box and voice radio special edition. It's special because you're here and we're awake and we're ready to get this week started. We have a stockton. California resident professional boxer way jones. The third six. No for cao's and future world champion. He's gonna be on the show at nine thirty a. m. And we're here this morning to discuss everything that took place posts. Canelo nilo smith. After the canelo alvarez versus callum smith. Fight eddie hearn was found in the back of the stadium talking to see a female senior and a female lopez and Some numbers were thrown around. I'm going to tell the truth and say those numbers came from senior. You know senior said give us ten million and we'll fight in dominating now junior co-signed did my thing. Is i guess we'll start. Does he. Deserve ten million right thurman didn't deserve tin but german didn't have all the belts does he. Ten million is the fight. i mean. how much have you given lopez ten million. How much you giving haney. I'm accent you guys is neil female for ten million. Does that mean that. He doesn't really want this to happen. Is ten million pricing himself out or is that just worked for. Pbc guys mario mongia was going on. Good morning man. Ten minutes to ten million. What mill bro. You know It's a lot like you said As far as whether he's worth it. I think that worth is a relative term. You've got to think about the division. He's in you gotta think about how you can market it. You've got gotta think about the economy but aside from all of that the biggest notion for me is the one that devin haney ended up responding to with the ten million. He tweeted out there. Something along the lines. I'm not quoting. I was trying to pull it up. And tom and i couldn't Something along the lines. Of if i'm a nobody how you want a million for the fight it was some somewhere along those lines that resonates with me big time because as far as i'm concerned more is the best out there in the division. He did what he had to do to to be much anchorwoman shaneco. That makes him the The best at this point however at this you also have devin haney in the mix and has a very valid reason to claim a piece of that hundred and thirty five pound prize and so right now deal females on the verge of becoming something much bigger than what he is today. Something much bigger than what he's ever you know become so it's tough to navigate the waters that said. You can't contradict yourself insane. Whose devon haney doesn't have a title blah blah blah all this stuff he's not a real belt holder and then at the same time request the biggest purse. Because that suggests that you would be fighting the biggest fight so that's my initial take away. Not only that that you want. You want like risk reward money exactly. Oh great point. It's like oh yeah. I'll fight deborah haney. Give me ten million dollars. And i'm like whoa but sweet. The church organ about his debit haney comes out and says yes said. I fought anybody but tia. Fema lopez wants ten million to ride off into the sunset. When i beat them at bob her a little bob arum and still has taken still has tagged boogeyman. I hear francis voice. What's going on. Good morning good morning good morning. How's everybody you. What up man. Thank you to my lord and savior for another. One allows us to be here to top boxing. Today we're talking. -til fee movers devon haney potentially. But still you know continues to make these outlandish public negotiation tactics. I said you know. minimum five million mandatory to fight me now. He jumped from five minutes to ten and no terrorists are struggling a little bit again his money for his opponents. I'm not sure exactly how to if you're gonna pull this off. That's just my opinion. So no no. No no no no no no no. I don't agree with this Ten million the five million. I can get wit if you're gonna give if you're gonna give till ten devon's been touching ems. What are you going to give him this. The thing champ people right away see outta in. I came on headed to kind of get at. Te'o but i see i gotta come to his rescue. Because nobody's being fed like everybody on the panel was oh no ten million. That's a lot. But when i think amir khan would he got. Let's just keep it even so we don't gotta argue. Maybe six million six point five million to fight only terrence crawford with no belts. He didn't even have this middle eastern belt right now that he he had a name man the name champ with nobody. Nobody wanna hit brook two million. Mikey seven million You know andy ruiz. What do you get the first four million four or five million versus aj I mean we could go on and on and out millions in how people received them and then and then tell ourselves. I will to yoga. How many belch. What does he bring to the table. Because if mikey got seven and eight he got eight versus Earl saw like okay. Mikey for that well. Two ways is a more expensive division. Cooper he got all the bells dermot wanted ten allegedly. We haven't been able to fact. Check that. I'm trying to get them. It looks like we're going to get him on his show. After the new year. After christmas we're going to talk to terminate ourselves about that. Ten million and find out exactly was ten mil a little under a little over. What what was it. But if we go off the the word on occur thurman x ten you know I just don't know if necessarily is accent For too much right. Because you don't want if i am come on you you really. You really don't know if he's an when looking at the market when looking at the market you know. He's trying to get what the market is given out. He's looking at walmart market champ market for ten mil champ. I just need you explained for the people walking ask you. What market is there with you to get the market. My friend like while you accident. We're questions the boxing market right. Like i just explained to you. That market br got to. That's the market. Got six. mikey window like a year ago. Maybe yeah that was like a year ago and at the same time. You're talking about guys like mike in amir. Khan who who who have proven themselves. Now i'm not gonna say that they've done anything as big in their careers beating loma shaneco. Because i can't really that's a tough thing to really fathom right off the bat around game though. You don't go that route because none of those guys i mentioned ever accomplished with. Ceo accomplish of course but at the same time like money is a thing that comes after time flamy whether it was one of the best fighters in the world best fighter in the world. He was getting peanuts compared to what he ended up getting. You're wrong The way that it works is your accomplishments. Dictate your pay. Sure absolutely in accomplishments come after time you want to get paid as much as ten billion dollars after five because people before were hand we're saying and i'm not making this argument people forehand. Were saying he didn't beat anybody and he surely to be anybody of commercial. No the biggest thing here we should have made. Aj's paycheck after. He beat him. Exactly what no of course of course but you're talking about again the heavyweight division. You're talking two thousand. That was a bad example because everyone argued that ruis would be stuck to the original contract and him in our able to negotiate way more million so that was a bad saying because he did not get close aged paycheck. First or second fight bra. I think he's just saying like deserves. Exactly my friend go have some coffee. Aj's paycheck is double the amount teals talking about so you just bring up aj for no reason. Nobody brought up aged first of all. He's a heavyweight secondly bought to eight point. It's a point when you're making a point. You bring up other things to make a point i to make a point so why are you. Why are you win. My point null and void when you're allowed where everybody's allowed to use different points to make. But i made a point saying that house the paycheck never say it's on the same level said the same number but in terms of scale he beat loan loma chango took all the belts so he should get the big paycheck. That's what that's what we're talking about here. No heels from mandatory. First of all. I don't know arguably one point two point three on paper right to now. Next fight is mandatory five million okay and we all jumped on lake mandatory. Five mil how you get that. Now you're talking about you. Ten mil to fight devon like okay so again. Yeah you brought up. Aj saying when. Andy beat aj didn't get aj's check to diminish my argument. That ceo is asking for more money because he accomplished something. So the difference there is rematch calls no rematch clause t o had no rematch close. So he gets to move on as the a side ruis had a rematch close so he was only able to re renegotiate slightly for purse. He still was the b side Do me what up with the frown. Do me in the house. Just they're listening to the fellas talk about my boy of fema lopez should. I forgot all sad to say watching you ten mil and all that other good stuff. Look man pop. Stepped up to eddie hearn instead it in. We don't know where if if that was real if it if it was just a number to gauge you know eddie hearn's reaction you know -til famous father could've just been you know gotta grasping at straws and seeing seeing what was going on. Eddie hearn mine. I i i mean. Ten million ten million to good pal i i don't i don't know if that's the starting point when death in early came when thurman came out with a lot of you said you know what maybe it is just the starting poor negotiation number. Maybe some go back and forth on you know we know. You're not gonna get the tell ten mil but what are you going to give me so you know i. It's you gotta take it with a grain of salt here you know. It's not like they you know. He sat down at a table and and he said he'll formerly this is. This is my. This is what i want right now. You know it was something that was done in front of the cameras. Call eddie hearn off his face he was. Yeah so you know. i'm not. I'm not gonna say that. That's exactly what he's asking for. But i might say that he threw that number out there. You know what what will you give me. Will you give me so whether or not you think he's worth it. I mean that's not really not really a up to you to decide. Because i it's just a matter of what what's see how fights going to happen. Where are they going to have. Oh shit it's the legendary baby looked. No no it's there's no more later. Baby i'm all for. I'm all back off a more boerewors decks week. Now now as i am dumi ten bill right. I thought that was a lot first of all. Not fema who just came on the scene like a out this year book wonderfully doing a great job like he's on my top seven. You know what. I'm saying And best fight. Probably 'cause you know lome cheiko was the real deal But i thought it was li- and eddie her to me he came off. The only excerpts that were on the pre pro. I didn't go in though. That's all right. So i was like any acting like a snake. He act friendly and then all satire with you should be. But you're not walkaway out daniel on that. Tom is going to play cash. She's not going to get aggressive about it right because you don't want that he doesn't want to. But it was kinda disrespectful. You know what i mean. He'll senior komatsu starts to walk too. I was like oh this is going to get bad. You just see that boy refresh me. I remember that so they were talking about how he wasn't a real chance or what. This bill is the franchise bill and for those who don't know overtime. Oh we're talking about a video that was shot By boxy social it was in the back of kamilo This weekend and basically it was. Eddie hearn a most senior and junior were there and they were basically talking about The belts and so he was showing him fight. Devin hey junior yes anti-governing yes and he was showing eddie pictures on his phone and fight and showing the wbz belt and he said. Oh and eddie. Said what is that the franchise belt. What does that is that the real belt sarcastically. Talking shit. Like you're not the real yo. I saw senior walk up to him. I thought it was gonna piece right there. I swear to god. He was walking up like he was doing the show. Low chin right. He had that chin. Open the air like bitch. And and of course eddie like nine feet off and so You know and then he started a cool just like cash. Said he started a cool. Eddie was like oh yeah you be the champ. you should be that you should be the undisputed champ. You should be. Then he walks off to the back right before he gets into the door that i'm sure the lopez weren't allowed in he turns around and says but you not and then just walked off. I'm not gonna live kind of it was like it was kind of a cool move move move. It was smooth. It was smooth as hell and cool but the disrespectful part was you promoter. He was acting like the celebrity. But then again. I looked at it and was like oh he is the man that gives you the money. They do want to fight his fighter. But eddie to me again another dog because nets hit me like well. He's devin hanes promoter he ain't did promote so i'm like damn so he can't have a conversation with a fighter that will bring a show to the public with any of a -sation would you guys don't understand is. His job is not to overvalue. Te'o it's to devalued so of course he's going to say that's not the real belt you should be undisputed but to not because he i understand that promotes the missing piece right and it's an some circles. It's not a missing piece in some circles. Haney needs to go do something right so so he needs to be crazy not to cut you. Which is crazy because he did do something which wind vacant title back what you said. I want you to respond to the said hanes to go do something i wanted to say he went in wanna. Wbz title is not doing something just to piggyback night. He didn't win the case to his the real thing i get that part i get that part. But he was acting like he's the celebrity. You know what i'm saying at he is he is well. He was acting like he was the celebrated fighter. Get a heat with floyd mayweather. Our definitely Interpreted never i didn't see eddie acting like floyd like absolutely not floyd says if you were if nothing like he'll say straight to your face like a important for me to fight you but it is important for devon haney until female to get it on. I look at it. You had carlos de on a super mario so undisputed as nothing. I didn't say undisputed was not then it's also not a tyson fury go be. Aj and the walter back to back it doesn't you know and then call for five hundred million dollars. It doesn't mean that he gets it. Like i don't mean nothing. I'm just saying that. Tim millions a lot. That's all i said. He had a come to school emoji at the end. I mean let. Can i say something about this. Ten mil right like it's the same thing that happened with therm and everybody. Gets you know their panties in a bunch. So my god ten million listen. It was a conversation in the back of a stadium. Eddie noodle camera was running neck. And he says fema senior says. Excuse me give us ten million and we'll find any tomorrow. He's like ten million. I'll give you ten million and and then. Co and senior. Walk up to him with more interest in their own. Really you'll give ten million 'cause they were fishing. It's called trying to catch over casted niche. Really you'll give ten million and eddie says yes eh. But the problem is they won't let you come fight and runs off because it was never serious but somehow teals getting the hate somehow t oh he wants billion man was eddie serious then when he said yeah. I'll give it to you but you can't come to my network because i'm sure i'm sure to you go to zone the same way that bob sent ramirez to design so they could just stop that all eddie is trying to do is gain perception in favor with the media and fans the power in favor woodham optional. That fight stick talk right boxes. Yo yo yo. Jazz is not a real thing because he had more to read. Yeah he's eighty eight sunny said. It's almost like frankie and mary. Yo have secret pet. Who can be the biggest idiot. Do you mean forget us. He grew bet that you ain't gonna call in and tell us and debate us so we we got stink. Ceo is not undisputed franchise is not a real tight him. I thought it was not is not is not tied. But it's an valued fighter the most valuable fight on. No no it means something. There's only two people that got that status in every division. Nah got that status in one of them is named canelo alvarez. It's not a best. So that's why i don't like it. Because it is based on their logic cannella like the biggest money so now. I think they'd like the mcdonald's of boxing day are the poster boy of boxing. I don't know what to say. I mean listen. He definitely did. It definitely has one of the biggest wins. Two thousand twenty no doubt. Ntsc more in my opinion has a higher ceiling than probably like ninety eight percent fighters right now but to negate aj and wilder and fury into negate. You know some of the other guys in your spence is in crawford's just simply based off of this win also like everybody's like no no no you better give credit absolutely given the credit but some people were taking it so overboard that You just got to put it. In perspective and what that means is about public service announcement public's book public service announcement on defects. Public service announcement. You already know what it is man. Tv in the morning man and like mcmahon over they say man if that belly shaky man you baking with us in the morning shots everybody. We got a full house this morning. Man we got the cash himself and rikke church on his. He's off and he's in the building spending his off time with y'all go ahead and smash that comes up button. You know maybe got nesta. Mario got alex. You definitely know you gotta smash subscribe button. Because he don't cost you know got just give it a one to you know what i'm saying and bang on. Could we got a guest coming in right now so we not take too much time shots. Everybody out there. We appreciate you over two hundred forty-six watching we only got forty thumbs up going to smash a thumbs up man appreciate you fellas. What's going on. Let me jump in and looks like we got our i. Guess way jones the third coming from stocked in. What's going on man. How are you. Good morning when i'm good gi. Sc me here. Yeah we see you n who you find man. Great fun. So would you got waves now. I am braids. I'm here in haircuts earl. Spencer for a second so you get that a lot. Well let's let's let's hope you find better or or as good as them. So let's take it from the top man. We've got you into boxing a lot of things. A lot of people have trouble outlet really and how long ago was that. When did you start. I started watching sixteen twenty three now so i almost eight years. But so i outside of being a world champion i guess. What is your if that's your major goal. What's your second go to get out of boxing. we'll my major go inboxes to be like a boxing. Legend in my secondary. Goes your world champion. So stockton area man right now. Our good friend gave her floors juniors dominating out there his name bells man. Do you know gabe have you guys. shared the ring. I don't know what division your in wade will division Fight at lightweight. Okay okay probably this shit. We gave her. Yeah okay house. Those sparring sessions been We don't sports often. Actually i think that's about a year ago and it was. It was cool like that but games coup. So what would you tell us a little bit about your style man. we need to get to know you to say i'm i haven't aggressive pressure and pressure fighting style but i can box at the same time I like to her. People in the rings is. I have a very exciting stuff. Well this is the hurts sports. So that's good man. Listen you you've had all your fights in in mexico Have you been able to Display and work on that four pressure fighting down in mexico. Know down there. It's a big Style to us you know most often uses that pressure fighter style Did you learn anything from being down there in mexico and fighting these guys Alan from from fighting mexico I've been working on like boxing. Boxing more You keep my long arm. Select that That's mostly what i've been working on since i turned pro. 'cause you know he's already know how to how to fight on the inside like this or on my range in my steph and it's just been a great experience i was hoping to find out here. You know but not stuff ruined everything a week before my homecoming but wade. What's the amateur background. Like i was. I was looking at some of your earlier fights now. But what's the amateur background like. In did you play any other sports as a kid My three amateur fights. I never deep average of your unlike that but I played football like puppy winner. Not oh i swear. I was like man. You got that back and some really strong soldiers like i was like bro. You could have been a safety for sure Blade burials scout scou- the bodybuilder in my friend man bodybuilders. So he'd be looking at other guys okay. he works out. You know the body composition applicable and then get in trouble. Yes boxing in back in this box and we always asked the amateurs transitioning into the pros. How that is for them. How was the transition did did. Did you find it difficult or were you just tailor made for the pro style already. Kind of My coach always been trying to be the pro style. Like always been going to the body All that stuff like the transition was a lot smoother for me. Was that hard is actually. I like the pros. Kind of better So it's it's cool. I didn't really have too hard of a transition thankfully training training training you know. Excuse me competing with headgear. Competing in competing with headgear You know we have a league. Here is the border war series. And a lot of the guys you know they wear the Their headgear to you know like the amateurs but some of them sometimes say that you know they have. Maybe their eyesight is different. We had a pro here the other day. Who said that you know i. It's different when you put the head gear on and when you take it off your visions much better. What's your opinion on that. I think You have more peripheral vision with the headgear off and is more comfortable with without a heavier feels more natural But the only difference between having to you're on and then having hager out with the main difference between our hager on had hit your off to me is Headbutts like you don't really feel like you're on and then what it off you feel. Elevate you know so. That's like the main difference so you you're you're fighter at the one forty. It looks like between one thirty and one four. You've had fights your last one forty but most of them are below that where where do you think you're going to settle in once you start Racking up the the when when once you get once you start getting more and more fights like where do you think you're going to settle into I want to be thirty five. Only reason i thought i won. Forty for my last by it because My original opponent fill out like Because we did. The cova chesney tests positive for kobe. Dot and the guy that was supposed to fight that day but his fell out on monday and he can make the one thirty five or or so they said do coming out one forty two and then they city when to move up to forty dollars out of thirty six on thursday for the way in june so i just wanna and then he didn't even make them forty two came in one forty four. Where are you serious. It's all good strong as far for sure but were you look like you carry that weight. Though i'll be right. You look like you could carry that weight. I want to compete at one thirty five or one hopefully a title here and then go from one forty but You know guys playing whatever whatever we gotta do if i can meet one thousand five hundred more two years from now and then i guess a movable for free and i just like big boss oh go are you doing. This is francis from toronto. Canada just had one question to ask you Your fighting style. Would you say that you kind of mimic your style. After or you took some some some things from their game and kinda attitude yours That's a hard question. amendment lot of a lot of after after a lot of people so The bikes box bikes like need to lopez. And then i come. Mike tyson there with the head moving the pressure and then i got like some andre would in there with The the clinch fighting and all that stuff is just It hasn't shared aac is like my best friend is a until my left leg. So it's just a lot of fighters that are watched Not i've been watching in the things. I still everything i still think from. Cesar chavez senior like a julio's who's senior so like i'm is a lot. It's a lot less than two questions. And then i look at. I like chance copper. Looking at how he stuff like take little bits from everyone. Get your own. And then i do my own thing by whatever works for me. I using whatever it doesn't leave it alone. You know real talk. I was watching a couple of fights. You know when. I knew you were going to be the guest and I mean i don't. I don't think i've seen enough of you to say what your best punches. But i saw the left hook in. I think i'm very impressed with how you're able to use it at different ranges. You know lotta guys. There you know have really great left hoax. But they have to be in a very specific position to really throw it at that high level you were able to extend get extension on it. Threw it for more of a distance. You're able to jump in with it. You're able to pull back with it a little bit. You can throw it on the end. So i it's definitely a punch that your high level So you're twenty three years old still very young We've seen a change in the last few years. Social media and guys Really utilizing social media youtube and things like that to create more of a presence. A guy like ryan garcia is a really great example of someone who Used there Outside you know Swag to capitalize on the inside of the ring Are you prepared to to to really like. What are your thoughts in that. First and foremost is selling yourself as a fighter today with all social media involved. I'm not really like it's kind of that's a. That's a tough a battle. I go through every day really. I'm not really into Social media like that. I don't like putting meyer. My personal business out there and all of a sudden i i feel like i have great personality. You know so my plan with that is just a fight and Just do good when i do interviews speak. We'll give you see my fights. And then once i get to like More and more Investments into me than just have a camera following me around and then just recording me jim. Because i'm not gonna to. It's going to work. I i do my job touchy so I said that. I'm very glad you said that. You know fighters we'll talk about hiring nutritionist. And they'll talk about hiring you know obviously trainers and and and different things strength and conditioning coaches. But very few. And you're seeing more are talking about hiring editors and and and and video graph People are video video fers And that's really smart. That's really really smart because you do speak very well. You have a really good look. I see you know just from your fights You have a lot of the things that you want to check off the list. Got to get out there and got a show people and interested. That's always strove struggle. Because i don't like i'm not really into taking pictures. I'm not into like. I'm not into none of that stuff. And then i'm i'm not into like social life a lot of fighter. They liked the beatles social media. And we're in high should have i don't i don't wanna test my name to nobody lie. I'm me so you know. I don't like Unlike to do a lot of a lot of antics give my base hyped up on our record and pulls me knockouts that are green on knockout. Green guys i take care of my sparring partners. If i need is like i'm i. I just wanna do everything i i want to get organically from just off my of my personality off my town. I wanted to know antics to you. Know to get fans for a little bit. You know so. I think it's going to be allowed. It's gonna take me a lot longer if i posted. You know you're not all these guys inspiring in have a whole different. You know presents with that apple a dick move. I don't i don't respect. Wait wait name names dog. You ain't saying no reason man who who exactly is in under your skin posts and spawn. Because i see a lot of that. And i i'm going gonna be a lot i don't mind it I guess it's because i'm not the one taking the punishment. And i understand what they're doing right like two fighters in particular the georgia area. They really do that. They put out the sparring however goes down whether they get hit the hit and But but but are you speaking about anyone in specific. Maybe i really wasn't belie. I really think there's so many names you can name a lot of. That's the wave. You know like you got everybody posting them not green guys and then they don't pose like when they split the top guys like that's really want to see when you guys go against this this and everything like that so if you're not gonna post that don't push green guy you know. That's how i feel like if you post both lincou if you're willing to push against sidestep aspiring because it happens every once in a while you also you will post that and coup but if you just posted you'll highlights every week or every day or every other day of you. Not somebody that everyone can tell is green and you got more experience than than. That's not cool so i'm talking to anybody who does that like if they fit. Swear you know. I don't really care like how they feel about it. Like if they so offended that i say you should. Green is posted on social media than absolutely right. I kind of i kind of you know. I kind of feel you on that man that that that actually and I think that's a violation of a of a code. You know in a sense if you if you going to show you looking good and i am not showing the other side of what's really going on. You just a clown. Really is dan. Yes yes just showing the good. They're showing them playing around with their food. You know what. I'm saying like they're showing them like. Oh look what i can do. And they're talking during it and they're just doing things to make the other guy look like a fool they're not getting anything out of it. The other guys not getting out of it so all. You're doing as well and listen when you do that. And then then is why say bullying because they know they can get away with it with that green guy but if they did it with A top guys. They'd be like a lot of you. Take shit down like all types of stuff comes with their so. They don't do that way. You will do this whole the whole thing. It's the whole thing and all sorts of so there's just like i just like people not play within. I don't like that shit. You know so you should. You already have like a superhero name right like like way. Joan sounds like the most like say. Somebody's somebody's like alter ego. You know what i'm saying like. What are you on way jones. I'm a photographer like nah. May i see that suit underneath your suit but Yeah that's that's dust. What's the nickname jones. again guy. got an any nicknames. You've occurred in in a sparring or in the gym. They call me a bunch of stuff. But i don't want to accept the nickname because i don't want my name is like already unique. You fly a nickname was delayed. Several people have a name. You've got several inches. But if i give myself a nickname or if i take the nicknames which gave me once people have already so i don't i don't wanna say i want i want to be me. I don't need a i don't eat alter-ego home. I mean a real in real life. But i i try to be nice though it's like i don't mean salsa jones the third What's the backstory wages. Yes oh my dad's name was way joe junior way jones. You did that bother you at all coming up being a junior or third or considered a junior or third Not really. Because i'm a weird situation with my father and his father i i grew up in california from florida so i didn't really have Nobody on everybody. I grew up around. Majority of my life is on my mom's side song. I'm the only way but they named all after my dad only problem i really had wasn't schoo- wade. They always mess my name of wayne or dwayne. Wade's anyway or to advocate. Used to make fun of my name is name weighed in the normal blanket. Name don't like it matches. It whatever but i was insecure about my name until i was like probably like high school but by the time i got to high school i love the nobody had it like the reason. I didn't like it. Efforts of the reason why in lebanon. And that's why. I don't really wanna nickname because i love my name. A lot of self love but So yeah that's really the only thing about my name is. I just got it from my dad and his dad. I gave it to my son to have one so linking food. You're the fourth of so. Do you get a tough time finding sparring. 'cause i feel like stockton is like oh you know. It's pretty tough time funding exploring but because Silence i really fight down for. There's a lot we have a lotta like a lot of pros in We have sacramento. Pros is smart and sack. Because that's where. I got xavier martinez out their own kilo too heavy for you. Yeah kilo kilo gave he. He's like i think he one sixty nine. But i would like to arm also friendly ship. 'em agha's out there too right. Yeah we do as a as part some of the guys From ninety s jim nice. Yeah like hundred purposes around so that's mandate that that's a lot that's a big thing they're boxing is is. I'll put it this. They're boxing is only rated in mma. What i'm like an ma guys like their. Jim has a lot of guys that can throw hands. Better than most most probably. But that's the thing that you would get from. That right is that they throw punches. Busy in the toughest cheap. Gotta keep him lincoln keep coming what. Oh jose whale. He's actually young jose aguayo. He's okay. he's the dude. I sparked from these jim super-busy super tough all that stuff. And he's bigger than me. So it's like greek whenever try any other disciplines to just like while you're in i'm not like during training and stuff but just on the side or anything. No i don't. I'm not boxer. Who who's your trainer My name is lee saleh's senior so he's on the no really noticing well. Versa isn't first. I lionel lineup. No relation ishmael. He cuban by any chance. No no he's not no relation now is yeah now. There's no relation to that. But that that that we know of folk we're both on the come up right now. Sound like his his first main pro that he started with an us up. So that's what's up and your promotional managerial situation. I can't really speak on that right now. 'cause i gotta wait on some things but i'm in the works or because you don't okay. Got she. Works signed two sons into the words to get you out of a no deal. I never any any deals. So so this one would be your first hypothetically if if there is something there which year you're not saying okay don't put don't start. How can we see. Do you have an announcement for like next fight. Or that's the air as well So what i've been told me they're gonna fight on the twenty third of january thirtieth so it's kind of like i don't. I'm not hundred percent sure. Endless week for the exact date. But we're looking at the january isn't going to be on tv or off tv. See i it. Depends on what today is locked in. Well listen way man. I want to thank you obviously for coming on and when you can announce something hit me up you got my number and we will reschedule you to let the world know who you are fighting where you are fighting how they could get tickets if there are any available so please give out your social media. If anybody that isn't following you can do But we got our next guest scheduled to come on and We appreciate your brother like i said. Definitely stay in touch. Get you more regularly. Let's champ you fill me. It's way jones. I t w dj on es facebook wages sixteen. Oh it's when i s. w. a. j. o. e. s. and then wage twitter while no i don't really put them by on there and Facebook wages real quick before you go. We got a one question. Coming from. Janesville desert san antonio texas says if spence in crawford do fight who you got in. Why i crawford crawford fan. So i'm picking over anybody and then i think There's a lot of holes in his defense. That i think robert take advantage of right now. He's been east a little low. Rusty is so they refined next. I think crawford definitely will beat him. i'd pick them to beat him anyway but i think he's going to be a little worse. Hopefully they fight from Spaces comments on and then crawford's response. It doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Which is going to be sad. If it doesn't have often making something makes him happen. I can start arguing. Everybody about it because i'm in cooperative. Everybody speaking spanish waiting spends but yeah. It's everybody around here. That i know everyone locally. Speaking spanish really got in that one northern california that big expense. Mostly an and you're picking crawford. Why exactly I just think he has more tools. he's a dog so it's like i don't i don't see arab being able to break his will and make him making them like not let his hands go at crawford gonna let us go and then if he gets to go out on the shield types of but i don't think i think he can do way too much it can come forward back up. He counter prices really good. He addresses really good then In the fight versus danny garcia arrow didn't really make any defensive adjustments. He kept giving it with that same counter of when he do that. Left the body off feel like he's going to get counted a lot. I think he's going to give you. Do you think a aerosmith seen. I wanna picture. Though that he lost anything after seeing him back from the accident did you feel like he lost a stab or he looks the same as of I don't think i was just say this. Little little ring rest but he looks the same looks. He looked healthy. He didn't look like there's any long-term effects that occur from accident. I agree i just think he needs to get sharper and then a so like maybe if he fights again and then they get the proper fight. He'll be a lot sharper but It by next. I think probably going to be in I think was beat them. Regardless the i'm manual comfortable. So is he number. One on your pound for pound. Luke robert yes. I had them at number one and took ella fi cannella. You can't deny the number one and he has a great resume. So i can nella right there and then i guess like share the spot or not but the level headed boxing fan. I love it man. Thank you for joining us. We would love to get you back on especially since you're so educated on the man always good to be able to talk to somebody that knows the sport you know. I was kinda sandbagging. You hoping you had cross on your number one. I was going to be that. He's biased but you thank you. Thank you for making no problem there. You have it ladies and gentlemen wade jones. The third look to get him back on our airwaves. Don't forget to follow him on social media. Wait enjoy the rest of your day Were scheduled to have bill. Haney on Scene the title text me and we're hoping he jumps on now you know he's still chant you fill me. He said he wanted to get on and talk and We'll see what he has to say about this. Ten million ten million by air by kind of going crazy air by kinda mad with the ten million ten mealy e if you wanna eggs bill question That area dropped that in the patriots order memberships posts and Yeah we'll we'll we'll try and get that off to him As soon as possibl so fellas so quiet. Now it's like I i think that was a great interview with weight I like he. He seems like an old school type of guy. He's not like you know this new generation who you know they have cereal and they think that it's worthy of of putting on social media and stuff but and not hitting on that but it's just like on that kinda guy to it's like really hard for me to to to meet. They should have be interesting right as opposed to like. Just whatever pops in you know. He's got a really good fighting style like it's it's aggressive but it's mart. He's got a good long jab. He uses it really well. He uses it like a fencing sword. Kind of You know in stays behind it really. Well I suggest people go and watch them. You know and check it out for yourself. He's got surprising number of fights on youtube for guy who's only a six hundred zero with four knockouts He is got. Yeah so. I if all the fights there but definitely at least half if not more i would say at least four. We're on there but Yeah good kid. Can't wait to see what happens at one thirty five you know. That's a that's a stack division now. How stacked will be once he You know is ready to you know. Start fighting the top tier guys. We'll see i mean guys will come up and and guys will move out but I think that he's definitely on a good foot right now. See how it goes should've asked him about the ten million though properly gotten his take. He seems like he could handled himself. Yeah do seen a couple of his fight. Took a watch them. This morning While we were on kind of back and forth and then once she was on. I started really kind of looking. Yeah he likes to fight on the inside. Mike throw he likes. Throw william mike's attack. I'm looking at something right now. And the yeah. Shout out to the coach to looks like a coach. Looks like the coach. A battles you in the mustache department. I think he got you. I know brought it's like it's like It's like the rose owning look like you have to comb it now. He don't twist hell no He doesn't have to really mess with that thing. He's got the mustache jeans. But going back to this ten merely in automating temporarily sound silly on their little ten minutes starting point man. I thought we learned that you know with the whole key thurman Thing you know when he came out and with the ten million looks like ten million is like the the the insiders starting with with promoters like. Just you got to ten mil. You got ten. Did y'all hear of do me when he said no we want five for the fight and the woman five when we weigh in i was like damn. He said that on the you heard him to write. Course this whole thing playing playful. My whole thing is like i said before man You know you just like why are you going to call somebody outside their name and they're giving opportunity and you don't show up right cool -til you said that devante champion you wanna you wanna email the champ to give you ten mil to to fight for his email belt. That's just my. That's my whole thing. Talking ten mil the tongue in cheek china. I was trying to get the most out of it. You started you supposed to start at the highest point. So i don't know why our prices of what he is doing the same tactic. He started the highest point. He working backwards china. Just get a deal. China sea john china sea. Who's gonna treat you right. Who's bullshit and who's weasling. And i'll not much. I mean business. Businesses not sealed and signed in front of cameras and and in a with at the end of fight. It's not done there. So don't get too excited about the ten million china. Get at my boy. Te'o saying that he ain't worth it already already trying to say he ain't worth daesean worth that he ain't done. This ain't all the negative stuff. Come out soon as that number was hurt. Say hold on. Bob going game. Ten only wanna give fucking porter for three million or a million like woody were. So that means that really. So he's really really like relying on another promoter like or or. Pbc somebody come up with the money if they win the bid. Because bobby going through it greg. There's only like three or four guys that don't have to worry about that. You know what i mean like. Boxing is most of the time you need that kind of stuff. But but but. But here's the thing francis to me and do me. I think that the issue is this okay. First of all. Let's be real loma. Chaco was giving theo. Fema chance what happens is when we see a guy win immediately. We look to put them in a box. Are they the kinda guy that's gonna give another guy a chance or are they gonna go that rockford he earned and listen. I'm sorry i didn't mean to say it the way it came out i didn't mean to say like oh he's like charity. Yes absolutely earned it. All i meant was that he came in as the b side in that fight to lomas aside. That's i should have said that. So then now moving forward and this is the same thing with thorough spence. Everybody feet to the fire he talks about how thurman they wanna give him a shot. But it's like who are you going to now as the man who now are you going to fight the best. Are you know what i'm saying. And that's what they really want to hold his feet to the fire four. Is he going to fight. Hey or is he going to go down another list of top rank guys that we don't want to see because that's the narrative go ahead well. Good morning Be on this ladies and gentlemen we train manager of devon haney live on show there man i was just trying to work for. You definitely got it. We just need you to go out. man you know we are now cleared. Good morning everybody man. Thank you five in the morning. Thank you get certain place so like because it seems like Yes so when you get to wherever you go on the audio and the no day professional podcast now. He turned his sideways ways. He got to the good spy with the background. You mean business. He put the glasses on. Y'all podcast mode. Let's take it from the top Obviously i think here on the panel. We believe that female accident for ten million was tongue in cheek but at the same time it could be considered price in himself out Do you think he was serious. You think that's just a starting point. What did you think. After hearing senior asks for ten million. Your son. evan. Haning well. I mean i i mean you can take a lot of different ways. I burst off I want to look at it like this. Like both bob arum fema lopez both senior and junior have been bullshitting for long time. Plan like devon and them aren't big fight the only thing. We didn't wanna talk about the money. We don't want to talk about who was worth what we don't want to undermine boxing. We want to say if the money is available at whatever stage available that we wanna make. That fight happened The the of course you know what's a tribute to what you guys are doing on internet you know and everyone else that's been you know rallying and talking about this fight as the fight gathers more and more steam and more and more momentum is going to be more and more fight more and more money descend a pot but one thing that i reiterate. I don't want to discuss whether or not. He's worth the ten million. I wanna i wanna talk about is why they've been bullshitting that. Devon is not the world champion to wbz world champion for one. That's just bullshit. I mean like and then ness with the voice that you have and and you know all you guys man you know. We listen and You know you guys are valuable. You guys are not just just like you know people might think that. Espn you know is the sports network. The goto place. That's not just the goto place It's where we go and we built this community on the internet and the brother that just came on before beforehand. You know keep working brother and do as much as you can. however you do it. However that gentleman does and he resonates with his fans and he connects with his friends then then then more power to him. You guys are a great tool and a great platform for us to connect with the fans you know and four to be the money in the fight man. You don't never know how much money us in the fight. But when you when you when you went back and forth saying three to five years then you went and said that you know who we have to fight somebody improve it to somebody i mean. Knock it off mess up to down plan. I mean whoever debit can get in a ring if his tiffy most remote or if if it was gamble you know what i mean. Devenir ready to fight champion. So that's that's the point that i want to really drive home ness you know what i mean. And your voice is so loud. And your opinion matters brian. You know what i'm saying. Everybody on on this on the panel. You know we we. Don't we listen everybody. You know and devon between the champion at twenty one and the reason why the champion nest is because it's fucking businesses straight. you dig. What i'm saying like his fucking businesses straight. That means that when it comes time to it you're not being bullshit by promoter bullshitted by no network because the network wanna make the best fight clearly. They don't give a fuck if you champion. If you're youtuber if you what the fuck ever if you put an the seat if you bring in motherfucker thing then guess what they they will pay for the cats out the batch. Pandora's box has been opened your date. If if you want to add ness and seven eight seven eight or massive ego. And i'm not pointing and dante wanted to put on a fight. God damn it they will get paid too because you guys would drive the people based storm the content. What i'm saying. And that's the way this she go. You know and devon is the beginning the architect of independence using his platform using the youtube which they say was nothing which is which now controls probably every house over fifty percent of of the attention span is on on linear on on digital television linear television. That motherfucking tv. I got two of them over there and they both off automate. so no. that's that's the power. That's the power that the internet is happening. Now and and devon started in mexico we started in mexico just like the gentleman when they said not fight nobody. He said a trend right. When when when you said that you know upload your content at multiple is talking about fucking at people on youtube you said listen. We youtube is an app. The fuck y'all talking about so youtube is an at disown is a map. But guess what they talked about seven and said that he was going over to the app. He's not gonna be saying now he said you're not going to be seeing your over. This maze of people talk. Well now bitch you over there in the in in the fucking the tunnel kissing eddie's ass hoping to get a fight while movie you're talking to bob arum in the barbershop thinking that we negotiate for the fight and navarre is holding it up all alone you know you pricing yourself. The fuck out. Which which are we talking. Double back talking to eddie we were just talking about. Bob said that you had you had fucking tank and whine garcia next which which doesn't feel buddy negotiating are we negotiating and talking about a fight or or do you got somebody. 'cause we don't got nobody so soon as we soon as somebody decides if they wanna fight or that we negotiate to get somebody in there. People say You ain't fought. Nobody will right now. We don't got nobody so what the fuck is the problem. We got the wbz bell. What else do we gotta do. Now when i say businesses tight i meant to businesses tight that as a young fighter when opportunity comes you don't piss on his head and tell them his raining in the sense of say all well you gonna defied is gonna come. You have to work at this. Naw even going to fight. Or you're gonna fucking vacate because the his businesses type. He's ready to fight. He has experience. Here's the coach. And he has everything so when it came down to devon was in a position that laura had to either fight or flight now if they felt that it we would have had been in a better opportunity. We had more. We have so much on the table to win another lose. What we're still in that same fucking position absolutely absolutely one hundred now but but but at the same time bill. Let me ask. You won't get here by the way. Thank you for joining us Does it give you less confidence. When you hear the ofi mo- senior junior out here in the media saying things like ten mil or three to five years. Does it give you less confidence that that's the fight that they actually want or that. That's the fight that is actually going to happen when you talk about confidence i mean you know you see you see our shit you see our shit we we we. We spin it right in front. We'll get money for real. They note that we get money. He's running around. Do you see it all work. Not bad that's what i'm saying is and that's tribute to went to that meeting. We we we say we got off. We said that we what we've we knew what we had. When we were coming to the table we definitely didn't have. We definitely didn't have linear television. We haven't been on. Espn we hadn't been so what negotiating power that we. We negotiate the fact that we have. We have our following on the internet. That's true we don't buy followers. We don't buy of that with no none of that kind of shape. You know what i mean. What we did was was show devon and devon's life as a boxer every bit about it. Now you can pick the good you can pick the bad you can pick and say well you know. Should sport his personal. He shouldn't have been put up this. You tell me somebody that got something of him. They should put it up motherfucker. You got something here you tell me. Debit got a graveyard for the focus in and and he's faking but you don't have nobody no nothing up of him. You don't have nobody saying that. They busted his nose. Are you doing mr haney. How you doing. This is francis from toronto canada. Honest fats are you doing this. And i watched you personally With all due respect. Put mr bob arum Feet to the fire and you ask them all the questions necessary and he was unable to. You had a very good back and forth comedy. Very well saying was you wanted to. You had option to fight cam bozo. He could go here and do this. You can go here and do that. So it's kind of crazy for me now to hear to you as you said in the tunnel as eddie for ten million to fight the quote unquote in his saying the email champion. Why do you think in your opinion. How possible can this happen. After these allegations these things are being said just like like you carefully porn francis and then you know nest nest depending he would have to swaying that that that teo was awesome bullshit but really an actuality. I'm gonna tell you what i'm gonna do right now. I'm gonna tell you what i'm gonna do for them is it okay. Call them. that's necessary. Okay awesome mighty long. I wanna i want to officially smoke. Some of i'm right. Eighty dead chant. Haley that went over. All i has when you say officially you mean you'd no longer interested in negotiating we are in negotiating but at when he when he said the ten million when we just was trying to get five god damn we was just trying to get five million. That's why he said. Oh i thought you said five. He did say that was. He said that was his mandatory minimum. You'll live we gotta get the ten thousand woken up smoking. I mean what else can i do. The little young somebody probably got in his and say oh. That's ten million dollar fight. You know that a lot of that does happen. Y- we were talking about market value. Like i'm on the outside looking in i'm looking at mike is getting seven from zone You know now. now. Listen i'm not just talking to you. I'm drinking champagne now. Because i know if te'o is getting ten i mean shit like we've been getting millions now now mainly a merely of merely komo taught mr haiti. So what are you doing. Thanks a merely a merely a millie me a bit. So what are we doing. The meantime because You know we like to preach fighters needs to make they own lane. It's like if if haney is the the way you say he is. He shouldn't be accent. Four fight fight. Somebody's dude call him out instead. Well like i said man. I don't i don't know whether or not we're we're the -til negotiations are going to go You know we're what we are saying is right now is that we don't have an opponent we don't make up we don't make it tough and not the best like i said we haven't champagne on it too. When devon said about it the only thing we've come on to say. I never said nothing about the money. I didn't discuss the money. Only thing that i said was damn five. All you guys were saying that weren't we. You know i you know. I held by to the fire. Bob said that it was gonna be maybe ryan garcia. Maybe it was going to be jank But now it's ten million so it was five million and hope so it's ten million so let's just see what we can do. But i just think that. Bob in t o on two different pages because according to everything that we see transpire last night or saturday night rather that senior saying gimme ten million and then when also k. But i guarantee you. If i know eddie like unknowing. We're gonna end up giving more than he's about to get with anybody else so he's going to have to say that he'd rather dump the money and go somewhere else because we go give me what can bozos you're not gonna make more. He would make war with us than going to camp both also. That's that's a debate. But the where i was going was more. We may something to debate. Well let me get to this because senior is saying he wants ten mil you know but but he said You know are you gonna be able to come over here. That's going to be the problem so again if you guys make whatever number because we don't need to know the number of yeah make it. Appear is despite a disown only fight because you're producing the month before we do that nest before we do that can we. Can we not skip over the fact that they were absolutely bullshit. They've been boston for the last now. We're starting to talk about the defy and it's ten million. Can we not say that absolutely pretty much can say. Is you know what i mean. And if that's the case stop bullshit. Toto senior bob. Arum go talk to shop and have vodka. Eddie just like shouldn't have been made numerous motherfucking tiles before. But that's the point. I'm trying to make. Ceo said you talk into the wrong people senior said when he said give us ten minutes. We'll fight haney the mall Eddie turns to him and says i thought it was five. I'll give you ten. But are you going to be able to come to zone. We are we going to have to go over there. That's the problem so then seal senior says no you talking to the wrong people. You talk so my thing is why not maybe not talked about. See what they say i. Because when the fighters the two camps agree and you come to the promoter with the deal i mean. It's not much you can say. Well you already got two sides and uh stick dead agree you know you got you got any hired and you got devon who we agree we look. We look in for the situation. We're looking for the fight so you got you got Te'o that he wants ten million you don't we. We're not saying we want anything te'o eisai you know what i mean. We're the b. side. You know what. I mean because he has all belt and we go kick his ass. Whenever the. Tom pappas wait. We dispute it. None of this shit. We said nothing about the money. Now you have an air respect that so much. These people talk about floyd when he dared to be great against ella right. Hey take less money than you get more at the when you believe in your fighter when you believe in your fighter that's never a bad business move when you know that you can walk into fight night and take every single thing demanded in the ring through twelve. Oh that's that's never a bad business moving my in my end and that's the one thing that y'all have done consistently throughout the media is is it's the things you said and this the things you've not said that you could could. We cam bros. Oh now. Because i thought that was a big fight even writing down his points on iran million book. Hambro positive breeze brings ten million to the table to you. Know what i'm saying on the network and you want the promoter that that we're working with you want us you know what i mean. The whole situation that you talked about you said that the app and all the ship so to give to ten million to the table. You know we're going to be all right. You know what i'm saying. We ain't got nothing to worry about. You know what i mean but bringing that fight bringing their fight to dissolve is what we want to do is draw the biggest fights to dissolve. We want we want to be right about disown. We don't want to be. I don't wanna be like the crazy. Daddy took his son from show. Box and showtime pbc to go to dissolve into obscurity. but when cannella was leaving the tunnel he looked over at eddie and said was next year. So the not the fact that the cannella dare triple g joshua and devon i me you know that we we have the right. We have the right situation that could bring any other big fights to make make them happen now. It would be a poor eram which you see now see. That goes back to another thing right there. Nest if you don't mind me Carefully point now. Why said the difference between devon and the rest is when it came down to it with devon. He was going to be able to put herself in legacy fights. We don't have to say to nobody. what we need to get permission or you talking to the wrong person ain't no fucking talking to the wrong person. We have a co promotional situation with eddie hard for one more fight and then then i mean it's then we go back to negotiating with what partner for something longer or something more lucrative so what our situation would eddie is not that we still we in our contract year. I mean so. We don't give a fuck who it is going to shell out and then we i'm saying the next one is going to be. You see what this will was so the next one is going to be gargantuan you so you not not an art in art contract in our last fight that we talked about. Oh we don't give a fuck. What is the contract here. And fact that This this this fight is even being spoken about. Because you know at one point He say that you didn't do enough And at one point didn't do enough yet to go against loma chanko And prove his worth and now they're saying devon has to prove his worth so but There's been talks about him. Beating email champion and right now with this whole conversation with the ten mil we're going in the correct direction to get this fight all has to do quote unquote is just answered. Email and everything will be okay. What what you know what it was. It was a you know what was conflict and once again and i'm saying you know if we're gonna talk we gotta just talk. We've gotta talk. Boxing became you can be on. No bullshit is that. In order to become a franchise. Champion maury tia. Fema emailed over to marina requests to be champion after he franchise champion after. If if win he beats more marchinko. It was publicized day. When the when he'd be a request. Now i just heard final week. It was may. It was revealed that the title became transferable. Because all you do is didn't type in ness receipts type in lopez requests. Wbz title maurizio souleymane. And it's go pop up. Because i know that that title was not supposed to be transferable what the thing is what you have to do. Is you have to request and when you request. They have a meeting with the board of governors and they look over. Whatever that you doing so it was determined that if he wins he would be the the the Champion and he knew any notice. He requested slap. No this is not no secret. I mean only only only because we were gonna be able to reveal these things. 'cause we really accompany we're not no no bullshit. We're really a company that licenses devon's talent we're a company that licenses his talent and he pays itself when floyd talked talked about writing your check. It meant your company getting the money and being you white yourself. What kind of check that you need. You know what i mean. That's what that meant. We learnt the whole shit from sprint degree. Print green paint. You weren't going to see these things manifest until ownership until later on as things went along that you he doesn't he doesn't you don't have. He doesn't have doesn't have luxury with the people to say no about the fire. He can't say a one minute. I'm a promoter and i can fight anybody and i'm gonna answer to nobody to the next minute. I answer to somebody. So it's a double edged sword. Would you say that that okay. So we had him on here. I and a lot of us were against the franchise belt to begin with a lot of us. Didn't think this is just another bell in the most of to most of us that have been watching boxing long enough but we know what another belt looks like right. He made it very clear that this is gonna work different and that all he wanted was time he said you. Whether you like it or you don't just give us the time with this situation and where it's at and what's transpired and in the mess that has become. Is it safe to say that the franchise belt in your opinion i. It just doesn't work or it shouldn't work. well know it it. It definitely works serves it served its purpose for the real for the real hard course. You know what i mean. So serve this purpose for in that sense. The took away the opportunity from devon that he should have gotten the rightful shot like it were able to step in the way they've done came when you're absolutely right you're right ak the point. All it was used to be called vacate. But for a particular champion whether it be a camello whether it be of law machiko whether it be someone of status their awarded the opportunity of a designation of franchise designation where they're allowed to become come back and beat become a mandatory for their titled that they vacated sought the problem though fun. Just i just wanna go back. To -til request the can find is that The wbz president. Murray superman announced that if tear fema lopez beats masilo matanggal he would become. Wc franchise champion. Initially the ruling stated that the fighter who beat the franchise champs only gets the diamond bell but he said that lopez deserves franchise if he wins so yeah. I don't see anything that says. He requested the status. But i'll find up on my good tv dot com at the top at the time when fema low gentlemen read the quote read. The you gotta read it brother. Hold on. we'll we'll take time. Read that quote when he context is is a podcast listeners. Out then the job they on the treadmill contexts. Yeah it looks like from what cabin up. Yeah but it's not a quote and from what it looks like to me. What it suggesting is that. He was awarded the opportunity to fight for the franchise belt. But then part of securing. that fight. Looks like he had to like formally agree to it says right here. Salama stated that he received a request entailed fema lopez and from top rank promoter of the five that the winner of the fight would be in the w would be wbz franchise champion right here. Yeah it's one that we were looking at and it's on the right on the dot com. Yeah it's the first thing you get on your google search google search. Yeah no. that's the article. I was looking at two and say right. Their big vote received a request. He definitely had to wait. Wait wait put put put. Let's put it in proper context in if they did receive the request. Then nobody else should be franchise champion all the other champions so you so you mean to tell me he's just ain't passed out the belts to other ones because you've got a request it my breath which means that you bought the get stripped for that. Fuck it up so if you only got one. You did with them. Say you ain't playing that game. You've got to be a big boy. You can't just have one of them up because you're gonna get stripped sure as extract devonshire as they stripped him when he was had that my fucking shoulder injury and call the champion in recess. So what the soon mantell you. Because obviously you guys wanted to fight the champion brazil and now being dicked around right. You don't get the opportunity you want. You have to negotiate it. There's no mandatory route anymore. So what does excluded. My kids is the youngest making boxers. Brilliant east negative wrong we get and we getting paid. And they say oh. You're you what the man made more than he made. More than two female made to fight loma ching-kuo so what are you saying like aren't though mess also worldcom executives top rant. And everybody knows what's happening. Who's having really. They're not no fucking fools and guaranteed as many negatives devon and slotted in his grave yard. You'll lines would be ringing if you had a picture that you had a video of him. Anything with anybody. The only bucket ever came closest to great great mighty mighty chicago stevenson down over there that motherfucking new jersey. That was his big brother and he was the little brother when when the shit happened for real for real but you just knew about that because dental was out of vegas and he was sixteen and was eighteen. So you thought he did. He lied leading got spanked up. No that was something that you did not get a chance to see. Normally 'cause we was knocking on your door before it would been the worst. You just will see devon get better get better mature mature mature to the to develop his style that he had the court was that was. That was big bro. That was big bro to whereas now. Low big bro. Got respect for low brow. Just like broker respectful. It may stupendous fags. They big big fakes. Yeah man i'm just telling just keeping the one hundred man so Again i just want to know where you go. And how long do you wait. Because obviously a female and his accent for ten million suggesting that they have other options. We can bozo energy. Doesn't sound like they want to go straight into a haney exactly so what does has most. We technically technically wear the same age as the youngster. Keyshawn davis disown his way to the olympics due to mexico and got down and came and showed you these nichols is not which i think they ended. Y'all wanna keep talking about and make him out to be keep doing it. But is the youngest. We're not in no pressure. We're not in no rush and and the boxing is such a small community. Just like i told when we talked about what bob is. That money is good. They know who you can't fool. All the some of the people came from all the people all the time. That's the only thing i was saying is now if his hobby airport tuna he can come up. We've been waiting on him. You know what i mean. If it's the winner of luke campbell ryan rossy which we hope we able to get wind cross it because eddie has assured that that will be the fight that he's pushing towards But but now fairness net nest when you talking this much and getting paid this much. You can't pick nobody man. You just got to just get picked champion. So the guy got all the bills from can't pick him and as a champion who the fuck you will pick on gay number seven you gotta get picked. It should be somebody that won't that green belt. The fact that was thought of as a pound for pound guy in the hardcore is really liked him but he was kind of obscure in the sense of crucial boxing. Right okay Do you think that this isn't to dismiss campbell. Because i do think that he's got a shot. But let's say wrong. Garcia wins right. A fight between ryan garcia devon haney. That's big time. If you're already beat ryan garcia and go back to the tables with fema later Would you think at that point that y'all deserve the act based off the fact that the commercial appeal bizarre for ryan garcia. So no matter what. You're obviously will listen. I respect the fuck out of that bill for real talk shit and terms of the four horsemen at whatever will we. Would you know what. I mean dark horse i was trying to. I was trying to set you up. I honestly wanted your opinion right. But i didn't wanna make you feel like any way or whatever but the fact that you just said straight up literally the first words out of your mouth i respect the hell out of that for real because i think you could make the debate that you'll we beat the social media darling right. We beat the guy that everybody knows because nobody nobody knows boxing. But people ryan garcia. That's the that's the argument right and the fact that you were to say that you know that big time i feel you on that. I respect that only talk about that when we talk about that. I just in the sense of me and devon because with our company the way our company is an and the power that our company has When you talk about negotiating we negotiate. is so much in our favor that the extra ship that they'd be talking about the balance out when when they get through cutting pyatt. They still not gonna eat as much as good as us right to me. Love the way we can we can. We can negotiate. I mean we can give it can be a give and take thing because we don't we don't have to necessarily take as much on our side. I mean we want to take as much but you're automate. We obviously it. Ain't that many people eating and other examples. We have a great. We do have a great attorney that we pay. But there's not we don't have a percentage attorney we don't have a percentage manager we don't have a percentage Trainer when any of that pod is one hundred percent whole and he takes care of everybody so the bigger Eddie i think it was over the weekend came out and said that the network dissolve own wants devon to face the winner of ryan and campbell. we can wait. We don't say no we don't we unequivocably too wet to what they paying and what we got we we find man. We don't say no. You know what i'm saying but we don't deny that you know we don't go in saying that you know we got You know we don't know ryan social media. Draw his his power to generate. You know what. I mean And you know we just. We look forward to the to whoever the winner is. I know if luke campbell winds. Dan is definitely going to be devon and And loop and the us of course being sold over there as well. You know what i mean. Now when we talk about we talk about somebody like luke camera. If luke campbell was to win and become the interim champion we are the a side and that and we will were want the fight to be in the united states. You know what i'm saying. Birth it being over and the bank. Okay if ryan was to win you know ryan would definitely have a different. It would be in the united states and he would have. He would have definitely a different drawing power that you know we would have to give a lot to to make fine but My question was more like do you wait for that fight. Because that's with the networks are telling you they want we got to. We've got to have they given you a time line or is it immediately after the fight is over you need over with so you guys get to like get in the ring and make an announcement was i in the ring before going to the fighting and and and and and we have interest in the winter. You know who wants to fight. We have interest in the Totally off topic Devon by that trump could absolutely. Wow that's a very nice. I what is that. Like a bentley chocolate assign a colony and man rules ways colored right then looks amazing huge christmas right. Miss big boss status christmas nice. He does not not no. We have a great situation. I mean he's in a great position Only thing you can do is fight bro. He can't do none of that other shit like a can't pick and do all that you know. If if that's the case then we would have still been building but the relationship that we took on with eddie and the way in which we took it on you know what i mean for the for the numbers Yeah we're name is in the half but in all fairness to eddie from the very beginning he put our name in the hat with the luke campbell. Shit and low machiko. He was trying like a motherfucker. Been trying since. The beginning blesses motherfucking heart. You know what i'm saying. Because he got. We got to take care of them. Numbers numbers is big. Ain't no you know what i'm saying punk number so you know ultimately and and that happens it happens whether or not whether or not they fight us or not we still get paid but for legacy devonish fighting about legacy got pride involved and you know a person that has a company he shouldn't he shouldn't be able to have the person with the price shouldn't be the one running a company but in this in this sense it is you know. And that's the point of it is that he wanted to be able to time king that he wanted to fight. He want to be able to fight if he filmed or up to it. Or if he's heard or whatever he he he'll be man enough to say it but he wants to have his name in the hat when he bought the time was right and this is the time so bill go. I was going to say you guys only got to fight one time this year Has there been any talks for next year. About how many fights or is that still up in the air because of the whole covert and not really knowing. Are we going to have fans or or you know. Are there talks about going to texas. Where seems like everybody's having fans well. Well we got we got you know. Fortunately i mean. We can't talk about anything long time because we have we have one fight left law situation so we finish up our fight Whoever that fighter may be and then you know then we talk about the future with a contract year in football or basketball. Understand how it works. But what's the mindset going into a contract year As a fighter the manager of a fighter like. What's the you know. What i'm saying like well i mean. Obviously you know. I get gigs. I start smiling ship. Because you know you're he's young. He's a world champion. So i mean you know we we look we. We feel good where a great position. You are a great you Do you think. I mean you just said you're in a great position but i mean i guess this question might not make as much sense but a do you think you're in a good position as a free agent like stanford agent no not to stay a free agent. I'm meaning that last fight is up. Yes becoming a free agent is your strategy is not only. He's not only kid boxing He doesn't drink smoke. You know what i mean. He doesn't have any problems has any problems with the law or anything like that. I mean i think if if if nasa think if you had a son or anyone on this panel had a son or fighter if they had one fighter to pig to start out. I think you'd start out with I was. I was trying to act more like. Are you looking forward to see. In what that bidding wars going. Look like. because he'll wants that one fight is up. He's going to be coerced as a champion and a free agent and a young champion. Like you said a guy that has a grip on You know the internet. So i'm just wondering if you're excited you think he's more of a commodity today. Excuse me then. He was when you got started with zone. Are you excited for that business to start back up or you know. Yeah i mean just just just quarantine i mean as profile has raised tremendous. You know what i'm saying. I mean if you see if he talk if you talk about Raleigh raleigh talks about devon is go in and puck and tank or definite ryan. Or you know if it's a comment that he's makes this controversial. If it's whatever. I think that you know that. They talk about devon more probably than any other fighter and box at least on the on the internet they do because like like one of those things. Where when you're when you're in a contract year cycle football player right. You want to go out there. And you wanna rush you want to showcase you wanna rush thousand you want pass for whatever you want to showcase so that when you do go to the table right you got xyz so you can make an argument that like this year it would be like more beneficial or behoove. Y'all to put yourself in a situation where you just showcase skill. Because it's it's going to be the ryan garcia. They're going to be there. But you put yourself in a position where you know everybody's eyes are like. Oh my god. Did you see what this kid did. He and when we saw how how incredible a knockout like we saw with the robinson. Like what that does to people's imaginations your saying and so then for devon to put himself because he's already like you said had a great year despite the fact that you know we as a people haven't had a great year but he's been able to rise above it right and so that's what i'm looking forward to hearing saying the free agency based off of what he doesn't a contract year you know the that's exciting stuff not appreciate you recognizing that You know we just pray. We pray to god that we you know. The devon is healthy. You know through the this despite and you know what i mean. That's exactly what i was gonna say to. He just got to just you know. But it's no more careful than i think that you that you're that you did traditionally are know. But you definitely have have an anticipation to to you know To finish strong to finish the contract out strong you know no no no problems. No no blemishes. None of that you know. That's exactly what else. S exactly what. I was alluding to like in other sports. I become like you know becoming a free agent when your contract year. That's when you wanna finish this finish a strongest. you want to look the best because you wanna make yourself. You know what i'm saying but wanna be wined and dined by you. Know the best and show what you got and venus. You've got the young fee nam. You know what i mean. Everybody wanted get young female potted. They're saying their promotional team because drives up the market right. You makes everything better when he shows up to the shows and he represents them so becoming a free agent is a beautiful. You just in janas attend to kunpho test market being a free agent got over two hundred million. You know what i mean. That's what becoming a free agent. You can lock up early but you want to hear what other people has to offer you. It's a beautiful thing. Or if he was guy school football player they'd be sending him cars right now on the low. My question is more like do you re sign with zone and give them a chance because like you said i love this. Let me finish. Because i know you say he's done his job. He's tried to get you the big fight but the truth of the matter is he hasn't gotten the big fight. So do you put yourself in a situation where you like. You know what. This guy is a solid guy. Who's i'll have really trying for my son. Let's re sign again and rhys maybe not getting the big fight again. Maybe he can't lure the big fight over to tone again. Let's talk tariffs crawford's in that same situation he resigned. He hasn't been able to get that big name over to top rank so Do you do a canal. Stay free agent and still work with zone because you know now. He's free agent. He's but he's still getting that money but he's also he's still wasn't what eddie you saw it you saw. When he came through the tunnel he said what's next. Why would you say what's next to eddie. Absolutely but he's a free agent now and he's sending offers the cadillac plan. So you know you can still get. That disown is what. I'm saying when when you when you when you really when you really talk about an infrastructure such as Natural who facilitate the show up to operation of the show right who also will also negotiate and and discuss and do everything with them right so then they become partners. I know exactly how eddie. And before that eddie was talking about He was going get camello to do business with them. Let's say that let's not say sign or none of that. Get him to do business with him and he told me that a long time ago that you know kinetico's is smart smart guy and he's he's smart so to see them and to see them still wasn't i mean i i can't say anything bad about it. You know you know. I don't think that. I don't think that the guys that you say are the guys are really guys. You know this really a real time. I mean you know law machiko. He he was cold but you know he was. He's not really the guy. And i think t oh really proved that you know but for -til hunt lama chico. And then the say the devon. He knows he knows what it is. You know and i think that they know boxing. Those just like eddie. And bob him. They know they know who the guy is. They they know who the guy is the public. Now say which you that the hard course until they take the stance and say okay. Well you know we not gonna just go along. We we did like the norm right dislike toto said at first. He said when he was in that position he said oh no. We're not going to be doing that. But then i mean cadillac any doing a little bit medicine. You you kind of like having to say now. He deserves to go to australia. And then ten million and eight this kind of like matt what you really like to talk about dope all how he deserves to go to australia. He got he got to fight. Embiid vasu and there was no rematch clause. He wasn't come back. You come back when you come back from australia. And then what do you do. I mean again. He may he gets to do what he won like. You say what is a sign me does be mean a bitch a got a burning building your shit like what is it. What what is the mean got can be signing. You gotta get picked beeson means you gotta play position beside means you gotta get put into position is just the truth besides put put position too much like bitch. You just you just that way. No no listen if haney would have guys opportunity to the way that he should of our four's not year for understand that you know charles went through the same thing but if he if he were to be of a su he would have been able to see. What see you you saying that over there. It's easy to sit there and say that this morning but did you see how and tear fema lopez daddy's they how how they feet was walking around that tunnel kissing eddie's hoping to get something from dissolve if you're a world champion in this one week away from christmas why are you talking about a komo. All your voice is it. I'll wait wait. He said i'll come over there. I'll come over there now. If you're the assad why the fuck are you coming anywhere. Why don't we come over there. One moment you see is he gonna go wait a minute. Hold on a side that means that. What because at the end of the day devon haney promotions is going to negotiate with whatever promotional team and whatever that promotes. Not pays you. That's on them. And whatever devon handy promotions negotiates. that's on them. Whatever we pay seven haney dots on us. I hear you man. But all i'm saying this is going to go with the money is. That's all that matters. If i showed you with gary russell you over here with the money is going to be over here but when you say hey side when you say hey side. That means that you're coming over here right to the network where to fight the fighter over here right and you think that we're not getting paid. We will put your name up there as lopez verse will do all that my man but we are going to get cast of fuck out like we've been getting cash the fuck out. Let's make their fight happen. Say okay so when you say hey side. Does that mean that nice is that we should that the b. side should not even fuck what you we should be scared besides going to give you know action beside. Don't make no show what you want because it takes two to tango. Which one do you want me to be. Happy being side. Now if you don't want me to be here i'll leave you you. You don't have to play any role you just have to be paid ministers. What can both where you want us to be again. It depends what he wants to do. What if he decides you know what that's it. I'm moving up. I'm too big. I can't make the weight anymore. Both of them your son n him included. Have both your record. Yeah both record saying wait. Wait so you're saying aside as in your the as side of boxing because now what about ryan garcia what. What is ryan grossing. What is tank. Take take not even at thirty five. Wait a minute. He holds a thirty. Ask bill come on the third. Though he don't come on come on won't be meals. A belt at thirty five fighter too far now. We want he won. I mean he. He didn't win the belt against tank at what he wanted to want to. That were already had already had the v. Eight inch inch and the world. No tank at one thirty and what happened was they made him go up. So that lee. Okay become full-time chant. But by them and ryan garcia by. Thank you ryan garcia fi. Wait they gonna find at tank. Whatever take decide because tank ace side. Okay that's what i'm saying is so so now so here we go back with eisai's ship. What so thank you eisai's right to change pay view that's numbers that's numbers especially for your first one. Yes so it comes up and fight through primo. Who's as i if kinkos up and fight steal probably take probably change. Let me tell you we'll tell you why. Let me so so. Don't just get happy because you were just a aside for a second because somebody just came up and now you the b side to. I dislike us exactly just like us. But that's what that's how. Boxing remember case so we don't got no problem. We don't got no problem. Don't we don't have no insecurity about being a beast but what i'm saying is we thought because we were saying we wanted to wait and fight you but negative you scared to fight or you want some bullshit. We'll be the a side. Which is the mother fuck. That's what you need to do On these dudes because you yeah you asked what where you want us to be if he were to go. If i can't be i will to be in a fight with a man. Who did you just mentioned. Homeboy from dominican. Yes dash without. Y'all listen i. I don't think that that's like a year by but that's a good win. Fight by far. Yeah but i'll tell you this is you don't fight camp also then fight somebody we poppit and then come back later on and then saying your what's happening back on our mother fucking line with that bullshit picking it up late. Nothing ever have like like it doesn't he. Wanted to just go back to where everything was trying to do. And you know what he did up to that so yacht except let me ask. Let me get this off. And then jack go headed and debate bullets if grosso and beats them on foreign soil in australia he is raising his clout level. Man that's an international first of all your cambozola just had to split the finalists in. That's okay and kost tzu sun. Tim zoo just fall so my nobody cares about but they are draws in their country. That's all that matters. That's sorta metals. They can take one thing. I can say and the fact my people be talking about. They say listen man because of the you go. Keep switching it. It doesn't matter it. Don't it don't matter it. Don't matter of fact that because one minute you said it's all about accolades and earn some shifts and no matter how we got it. We got the wbz world title. That's motherfucking fact is through all the history books we came to nine at and however we had to get it because the guys wouldn't fight or what the fuck ever you're going to. You're going to dance this motherfucker all around the other world title no matter what you say. It's always going to be the money what he's saying what he's do you know what i mean so if we got a you when i said i said okay we can finish. What can bosseaux. And we got some money and it's four be true undisputed for even the belt. The devon has been a duck. You say then you said he can do that well nest. You said he can do whatever you wanna do that. Because as i. because he'd be lama ching-kuo pico couldn't do whatever he wanted to do. Why was doing whatever the fuck you wanna do. Fight and dues nobody wanted. I didn't want to let s. I didn't want none of them do on his resume. I been want haney. So that's what i'm saying when you got the belts you dictate what the fuck is. Aj doing he find anybody he wants. We wanted we wanted wilder. It wasn't supposed to be theory so when you got the belt you do do whatever you want. Look at good nadi before. Listen he fought. Who avenue fuck. He wanted until cannella finally made it to one sixty. He literally just waited like. Yes when you got all the belts you do whatever our people are gonna like it. No it's there going to be people making videos. Say he duck in year. He got all the belts. He dictated positioning. Power dictates is just happens to be an unfortunate situation because that never existed you guys. You angelo did what you're supposed to. And they created this new bullshit. And it's not an and you don't think it's no coincidence. I i think. I think that you think they you devin saw yanni to be more vocal. I think you help you. I want you to want help me from the very beginning. You'd want help from the very beginning when you ask maurizio down and they can. I never been with this title ship but the fact that you allow you see you and charles accepted it. You should have said no because because now now this other dude he gets the jump to seventy five and this other do he gets go make a fight and now everybody like no one's gonna save ya ain't nobody gonna comment be like no. They could the network with the chance to see what you got a chance to see was exposed. Launch chink of yes. That's all you got a chance to see ness. Yea we do have enough okay. Yeah yeah that's all you got a chance to see. You know what i said was that. He's he's a big lightweight and so stepping devon say when they say was you. You couldn't touch me. You know what i'm saying. He told him i was there. We're not seeing them when they worked on a big right hand but mess. I'll just say respectfully as much shit as we'd be talking to shit like that. If we was worried about this shit you would have been hurt. Somebody hit with the big right hand. You know for the big uppercut in tanks case to the throwing that motherfucker from hail to boy that attention but the kid i swear to god. He got these god-gifted motherfucking reflect. 'cause i'm not no fucking. I'm not a boxer. I'm not the fighter. It ain't nobody you know what i'm saying. You know as any boxers. She says she don't know boxes. You know what i'm saying throughout the chance you did on me. But his reflexes man. I just don't see him getting the hit with the shit that. I don't know if that if we're witnessing and baseball will you see shutouts and then you know. Our family got a pitcher. I'm more into the home run. Shit that's you know. I like to home runs right. But our family got born pitcher macgyver guy ended up with a pitcher and like and i started learning that none saying we go up against the biggest mother fucking hitters. We go whoever and get it. That shit went over my head. I got ask snag. Is i caught it. I got it i got it. I caught it like watch boxing. Mma perfect sense to ask questions. Elise right into the question actually wanted to as Is because a lot of people off the gamble performance to say well elephant in the tank. You know dealt with gambling the way their parents. You know what i'm saying. Dell will gamble devon hammy in his performance Didn't didn't didn't show the type of power. You know what. I'm saying to get rid of gambro i on the other hand. Just let me get my poor. My real quicker. I felt like boxing is a sweet science. And listen devon box devon gamboa's from pillar to. i mean. He couldn't touch that boy. I thought he had baby grease some oil. A slippery couldn't get him. He tried to grab him wrestling. Give me a glock. He tried to do everything you know what i mean. And we understand definite grow into his body you know. I mean he going unless you said you don't gotta homer pitcher so guess what if you can't touch him you in for a long night of just getting around around so i wanted to tell the people you know i mean. That debunk the notion. That devon haney can't translate into that superstar because he lacks the power in there is absolutely. I mean when you when you talk about dave. I mean because i'm right there. I'm right there in already. Non watching and i'm saying oh shit we're going home we're going home with there's money going home with the money period and you put anybody in there. That's that's the thing is and that's why Teo and the fighters they can they can knock out see. Santa cruz was in tanks s. c. c. Once they're jump up like that and go up he's gone he's gone ain't no anal coming back round brown another round another round and to whereas it gets born to the but if you think about this. Don't miss if you take. That was that was by design man that was not. But what i'm saying is okay when you talk about that is if you guys saw anybody. Do to shit to devon that. Leo was doing. Y'all go crazy. Everybody and be the guy would have to be some good plus no is that. It's two different fights. We understand devon is the boxer and it takes his going for the knockout with what he's doing which you have to understand that devon boxer now devon gets back up in the world royce now and he don't get taken punishment like he don't listen the thing about the difference between crawford and and take they both took more punishment than death of course but they got the knockout that the people wanted. Well listen they'll find people want okay so whoever let me tell you this wherever you think is the knockout guy. Just go ahead and put us in their wedding. That's fine we touched. We've and you can have him. He can be a side. It don't matter a positive hunter. You guy with all the shit and put him on eisai put him up on the fly put him on. The ship died no problem. We weren't it's not. We came from this. She was talking to. Did you ask for the sale or you. You you fight him. I want to but can you imagine a situation where that fight does. Like open wasn't promisingly te'o for something. What is the tail is is there a can do something to get the tea. Oh i'm meet like a guy like a you know something right amanpour man. What do we need to do which again that's what we try to. So what's what's going to position this. I mean well the same thing depositions everybody having a common opponents and doing things that show up the comments if y'all were to go in there and start so much ankle just as an example. Yo i think everybody will be like whoa wait a minute. Wait you only retails. I like what can both is. Oh man okay think about it. Though you laughing at that camp bozos right but think about another top rank. God that the got the shots for the same reason. Jose ramirez was a guy that he he sold out the save mart center. You know The ticket prices. Ain't the same like in san antonio and dallas but he was selling it so top bracket position. I'm tell you and they going to do that. We can't bros up. I'm i got another question. you sir. please T female Had fight against the japanese fighter knocking tiny tiny. Now we seeing that. He had a little bit of a struggle with him. But he's still a twelve rounds right to you'll be in the knockout punch at years And we've seen videira Just went Out even know what to call it. They just had an amazing fight and he got knocked out After being knocked down a couple of times so people are saying well. Why don't devon fight tiny as a common opponent um soon though you must be to. Who who people he talking to not. Nobody be fair. People know but i get it. I common opponent theme right. Where where are people saying. That ferodo max and on twitter on our chat i'd say was any smart people and say was a good idea but it was terry mason minority. Now you go for the people's you guys hear about it. Not tiny as low risk high reward. man Excuse me high risk low reward man. He don't speak english a month ago when you got you got to champions in one division and you're trying to find something for the other champion to do to as fans get on a man but it's also go now but that but you can't fall te'o for that that was created by the wbz because the does not give franchise status. Te'o won't have this energy. 'cause you already got the bill any if they don't award it repeal do you pick and you wouldn't ask you was still pick fucking cambozola so he had negative now. I'll be honest with you. Let's imagine franchise never existed. Haney was the only champion and the wbz If t o the basile and his next fight was still cambozola in australia. Yeah you're right. It's not a duck to me okay. Every bit record books don't exist right and then tier females name would be in their devon's which mean named for what if magic if the record books didn't exist didn't exist then tears name would be. Wbz world champion and not devon's because there's nowhere that you look up until fema was wbz. Champion i mean you know. He's he's he's only seen as the franchise. Go boxer looking boxer. What is what does it say. Let's go to boxer everybody. Can we go to boxer. Boxing voice dot com slash rankings. All the belts else minus always say. Wbz world champion devon haney interim vacant franchise lightweight champion trophy opus. We go and The the boxwood says the same all the bells minus the wbz. It's it's a positioning title man. That's all but but the problem is that it was put up to fight because either it's a status or it's a belt and once you start to treat it like a belt. It's no longer a status so now if it's a belt that what about the region get that next. I want that fight next. If we if we can find a way to make that fight next i want that fight next. That's just my point on it because we know this whole email. Champion is ten millbank afford ano- definite and miss dana can get the money. Barbara m them. Sit down and make this thing happen. Eddie and zone. I want to see this fight nights. You can make you happy. And i'm saying you can go to contract with a bang. Final find the contract. Let's make it happen happiness toes but we also want to see crawford and and and We also want attack as another given meditated. The difference with that another title that separates manny pacquiao. Still hold the title that separates them from being undisputed. The only thing that separates this from being undisputed is devon and t. Oh absolutely about yeah but at the same time. It's a similar situation in that. Both men have option. Fundamental difference was one fundamental difference between the two the two titles church is one title. One one has one bill. The other one has as many as you want to add on but the one that has admitted as one will fight anybody and the one that has the many is picking and choosing my now. Now you can't no no he's gone. He slayed dragging what you may choose. Will slater dragon. King was send me your theme. Oh ho that's not his. Oh no we slay the dragon before that drag and drop the mother fucking built. You was there that a slant. The dragon chan now look acts that. He's slated dragon not turn those the fight just like getting. Ceo is the fight. That's your the also because yes it'd be tough is all around all my life have been you know what i'm saying. They was tough to somebody else. Until i showed up it was an amateur boxing. It was it was negative was jumping around weights. And doing all this shit and and you know what i'm saying. The who's who and who really know what pot was popping. Do you know what i'm saying. And and and boxing boys ain't no joint to to be playing around with. When i listen to y'all you know what i'm saying i know it's the real gotta come on here motherfucking correct. You know what i'm saying. Because y'all ain't gonna be pussyfooting around. Whitney i love and i appreciate that. You know what i mean. But at the end of the day You know you ain't never had to make no fucking excuses for bill haney and you know what i mean about shit. You know what i'm saying. And i say that we're proud. You know so the next time. When i'm saying you we all want to be somewhere. Smoke big when are we talk and you say chat. You know what i mean. You've been a one shit you did. And that's all it means to me the fucking fans and the casuals and all the shit like that. I hope they can understand and appreciate my honesty. You know what i mean but if you don't you will let let's go champ. You fill me. I cover this long enough to know that there are very few people. In fact i could probably count on one hand that was here and admit who the a side and the b side is what it means and so absolute all respect but again i think ss point is valid in that the wbz created this mess. It's no fault of of of devon. But they created this mess and they did it in the manner in which they've been doing it for years and favoritism that's the interim saying they favor certain people over the other again again. You can't get mad at the witness protection plan because they thickness niches. That's a good point. I got up. Nick as we stand up because we come on this month fucking. I'm on here talking. And when did you got action at us. You know about action. They've been getting money before before. Te'o he got he got bitches got causing got all the shit he puts his shit now. He's off i don't be they'll keep calling quits this shit. He puts his shit on fucking. You know what i'm saying. All right come on here. We are transparent. You know at the end of the day that you know the ones the ones that you know we do it for you know we do it. We we talk about this shit every day and we got receipts. You know it ain't like you know you're going to slip around and you'll legacy your kids and shit and re back and listen just like i popped it on their nest was saying one thing and i popped it on their request. He keeps talking about our email chappie muslim. And your grandson say well. Well you were checked because right here. It said that you requested come on my throat at the ended today the reason why my kids love respect me because i ain't on no bullshit i i have i fear just like any man you know what i mean but i'm up front with them about what it is and what is not built. I question real quick patriot. Yeah yeah that's a good idea. Boons and i know you like the people's question they want to talk with you so much that we've probably act some of these on our own ruin a five. Oh four says is the ten million accident for too much. But you said you're not going to say if if it is it ain't because you wanna leave it open for the fight to be happened right. Yes sir that's ruined five. Oh for mr doerr says ryan garcia beats campbell and chases devante instead of devon. What fight are ya. Look into mate to keep devon's names bubbling lopez. Nice brandon upper nothing. I do like The the fight with the dominican. I probably opportunity. Yeah that was a had traction because you guys were supposed to have that fight twice already right. Yeah but but the thing about it is. We've asked the fife if no that was not y'all those the wbz trying to count. They're trying to put all their eggs in one basket and then trying to get a piece of everybody's pie. That's exactly what happened. What what what what happens is this is and wbz rule. Books when you have a vacant title when you when you get a vacant title you must defend it within six months if you get elevated to way of eight can tell you must defend it in six months if you beat a champion than you defended in one year later. So deadly with the shoulder by was like. Oh man would they distribute stripping. Because he wasn't going to be defended and so he put him on champion in recess when they said well. Why did you stripping. He says no. He is champion. Just when he comes back he becomes mandatory challenger for the the the the wbz title. That javier fortuna and luke campbell was gonna fight for because the six month time right. But then they wanted to include garcia in louisiana's right so so so hobby petuna was was fighting liu campbell for it but the democ came in. Yes and the amount of time that needed to re have was within time so then we asked. Wbz that devon make his title. Defense against harvey are fortuna. Hobby said no that he would devon devon doing voluntary type terry. Yeah because he thought he was going to get the garcia by. Then he's going to fight. He goes if i can that fight eventually. Fi fell out and then Port for total was fighting Lenora yacht is yes. The norris lenora got sick with the cove it and devon said. Well fuck it lets you fight them for it. Came back and asked him to five your own. They wanna fight both then hobby. Airport tuna came back and said that he's petitioning to fight devon right but he's police said he comes on says he petitioning when who is if he didn't have the machiko that something he's not he's not even number one or something s crazy man. Does small scare me the next one coming from. Let me see you mr brandon. Marie says who won the e forty versus too short versus battle in your opinion and one versus battle. Would you want to see next is a good question. i like. i like them both. But being that that Short shouted me out at the end and he and i gotta go with short. That's a that's yeah. I remember that was hype Next will come in the battle that you want to see next. Oh yeah the battle that you want to see next. Yes definitely battle. That i wanna see next Shit man. Oh oh oh yoga and young dog and young dolph will be that would be fire. Dot will be fire for sure Let's see we got the next one come. In from israel israel weber in the home said no questions congrats on your son's one sided victory vs gambo when next in oklahoma lunch on me absolutely has given you that shot out from oklahoma. Shoutout to izzy weber. That's what's up yeah we got james valdez from san antonio texas says first of all. Thanks for coming on the show. Second my question is if the spence versus crawford fight happens. Who got and why i gotta i gotta i gotta go with crawford. I'm leaning more towards crawford enough. I just because i just didn't see i didn't see the strength that i normally see in spitz but the fans will definitely be the winner and now when batman fucker just hard to pick because i go back and forth i go with spence. I go with crawford and i think That's fucking that when it's tough what's offer right now. But then tomorrow i'll be with spent so don't quote you know now. Do you want to pick it up after carlito's guys out. Yeah those Eighty four. And i think this is carlito's from Uk he says. Hi mr haney. How do you plan on stopping ryan using tank to avoid fighting devon. If he beats campbell next all ryan is talking about his tank and not devon similar to how spence is using canaletto void. Bud eddie has assured that disown as willing to put up to kind of money. One thais both devon and ryan to fight next. So you know. Hopefully i mean you know. That's what i said that's will wait now. So that'll be next on your last fight or you're gonna have a before you wait on that ryan garcia campbell winner. Well obviously right now. The team lopez and devon. Don't have anybody you know. so t mo up until he goes and does cambozola. Shit right where available for for the t. o. Fight to make the o. fight happened. They said that they weren't that they won't do the cambozola so we have We have a winner of luke. Campbell and and ryan because maurizio has ordered the winner to fight deb ninety but in event that you know of course that it will be a complete on unification other titles. Then that would take precedent. I if ti wanted to fight. And you never answer my marisha question About like have you spoken to him about getting a shot at ceo through the wbz since they created this. Because like luke campbell. That's why the wb was on the line you know. Obviously cannella had allowed to do but not luke campbell. Excuse me callum smith you know he was the star maurizio. Marie has faith than time to will make divide. You know i mean he's just. He's just a of veteran older guy in this in this business been in the business a long time so he knows that that this fight will we happen. And one of his belts will be the Be part of it for sure for sure. So he's just pretty much. You know levelheaded about it like it's going to happen one day it's going to happen. Just be patient just patient all right right. The next one's coming. In from steve he says. Do you feel you made a mistake. Signing with mattru there definitely seems to be a uk bias. Campbell is getting a big fight after big fight over the weekend. When asked eddie wouldn't mentioned undrafted name as a competitor for gunilla. Just triple g and billy joe saunders. I think that you know the from what i've learned and come to understand is that Box in the. Us drives everything to be a star in the us means everything and not towards the uk. But if i could have. If i if i could have it my way and we were able to as hp man death to handle the us then you know what i mean we would you know we hope that know gets on you know when it went and do ta. You know whether eddie delivers it. Meaning you know. He he He he showcases our tylenol or or You know mentioned enough that they want to go and take a look at a devon. I think that like i said it. It'll it'll catch on and you know the. Us we hot so they they paying attention the us box and they know who governors for sure all right. The next one coming in from coach myers in connecticut. Says good morning bill. You worked in this music industry. Even working with artists like leah and too short. How does the music industry compared to the boxing industry. I think they're very similar. You know for me it's I don't see a lot of lot of mies. Soda to speak and industry and in boxing is whereas music you know. There's a lot of guys that that have. I think the the tenaciousness than i have the wherewithal on a contact. All those kind of things to bring it so it would be. It would be nice if more more guys will. Would you know what i mean. Start i'm gonna get into boxing business or whatever but it's a small it's a small community of mostly guys has been in forever. So yeah you know what i mean. It has a similar similarities. But then also it has its differences for sure right. This was coming in from jon. Morgan watson says the rowley fight isn't a fight y'all want to make but the fans seemed to want devon to whoop on this clown. The people want that fight. Why not give it to them so so big big because it s probably about the rally. the no more. You gotta let me know this coolest blown off question. Hey rowley but listen. In terms of the rowley fight could sell the ship fight. Listen listen it's gonna be talked about and written about a lot a lot. I think that the fact that they both share of relationship with floyd is going to be a big selling point And obviously the hawk. 'cause we're going to expect devon the win because we had martinez winning so devon is in a win win situation right because the hardcore is want him to win. I mean he's got nobody mad right like because everybody wants rowley. Rematch marinas So so you know if someone could come in and write the wrong so to speak. I it sellable man. It's again it's going to love. I would love to i would love to entertain it personally. But it's like you can't go from can't go from Guys you've know million to row to raleigh. You know what i'm saying less or less or or or rank or ryan garcia. He just. I need to make sure that those those aren't available for death not the fact that we you know what i mean. We tripped if they might win it. If listen and that's that's the thing about this shit is is that teo don't know is if you're not with it. They just let us know because we do got options. We will fight ryan we will. I mean i ryan ryan is not doesn't wanna do something and don't work out then we'll go with raleigh and roll cell that my fuck it'd be it'd be a good fight and that's what i was alluding to is that if if i'll tell eddie and i spoke to him about but i i can't say oh i want that i got to have worldly because rollie isn't ranked where where those other guys are rolling can't jump in front of fortuna. He can't jump in front of luke campbell. And and i know that so i can't even with the say. Didn't you give tank credit for that same bell. So why won't you give credit for that. Bo no no you say. Credit for the belt excuse interim anyways not the regulates the interim he's got the vote. Because i was going to say also say maybe with the regular you can become. You can jump over them. But i don't think i don't know how he would position itself and how you know the people would feel if raleigh just suddenly appeared number one or number two on the wbz. You know what. I'm saying over them guys. I haven't i haven't even tried. I know the wnba. But then you have. That's why i said is if you have lou campbell. The doesn't want to fight. I mean look. I get what you're saying you mean. Not passing them over embodies. Yes they not fighting. Then it's okay. You guys don't have a voluntary Defense available. oh okay. now we know. Now we know what's going on. Okay sheesh you gotta you only way get there and get that if the if you're mandatory doesn't your mandatory doesn't wanna fight or busy which is have year who's demanding toy for you. The mandatory is going to be as ordered as the winner. Lou campbell ryan garcia. Yes so that won't get called for. At least i mean how. What are you expecting that to be. Actually mandated like in october right next year at the convention or before should we we. We hoping to make the fight happened after that when we go to the name that we hope that brian garcia win. If luke campbell lou campbell went. It ain't no problem. We can just go on out there. We know it's going to be made because in house between you know what i'm saying. Eddie eddie we got the next coming in from ken. He says What's up bill. If politics and money wasn't an issue who would devin next. Top three fights kind. Of course you got you got got t. o. Fall to belts. That would be the first first fight. Then i think the second would be would be tank. You know World champion obviously And then the third one would be probably ryan. George foster comes in from the uk and says Do you see heinous. Wbc world title as wb regular equivalent. Wbz a no. No because the thing about that is is. They don't have the mandatory to see if you got mandatory. So then you got you you to champion. You gotta schedule you. Have you have to adhere you. You gotta constantly look down the line of whose whose rank in when you're a champion. But as a franchise champion you don't have to. Because you'll never devon can't challenge t o for it for the wbz franchise thing don't you. Can you have to. You got to ask marie. Ceo at one of the convention next was coming in from greatness and he says peace bill so to you in your endeavors. No question however. I gained clarity after watching eddie. And -til franchise belt is a trophy not a championship quote. You're missing one belt said eddie. I see haney versus. Te'o happening soon. I wish the best for both fighters health is. I shall not be in tune into this week's box in bars bill. We bring in hip hop in boxing. Together i know you got bars. Salute ballistic eight. When he said on there he said. Marie sent me a belt now. Well why you didn't win the belt in the ring. Well how could you sit in. That built the built. You only had one built man in the ring. You can't fight for two belt. You can't fight for the franchise and the world time you know. They they only recognize one bill governing bodies. They don't recognize to. You can have two or three or four. I mean there's only one but technically the the former champ gets to go home with his belt you get to take pictures and all you don't leave with that bell unless marie. Ceo made a new one and brought it on that day the seal left with all his bells those go back to his house. He didn't even. That's what i'm saying is that was never. He never had the seals belts because the seal never put his belt up. He never brought his belt out. They brought another belt and he never one loop the seals. Lightweight dealt. what another would you mean. They brought another bout out. He just bought another build out but you just said he said they sent them one. That's what i'm talking about. So the night of the fight you talking. If it wasn't his belt it wasn't his belt or nobody's built. They just brought about out and gave it to him just to take the pictures. But it represented the franchise title well the franchise files bell taping on. The title was one title but he also he took a belt. He took the pitch on that night. With four differ belts. He fucked up because he took you with two wbz bells. Yes and that's we fucked up at saint my grandparents once you start lying. You've got to just keep lying and the belt that they gave him to take was they. They gave the just the pitchers. Now the franchise. Bill got top rank on. You know what i mean. And so that means that if it has top rank on it that means a dozen promoter. Shit that's not no fighter shit nobody. Dhcp should be on devon hanes belt so yeah next one's coming in from keam and he's in florida he says devon is a young fly flashy and super successful. i also notice. He doesn't have a problem with the ladies. Do you worry about the gold diggers on the father of a young athlete as well. I'm trying to prep for the future laughing. A moe. thanks for your time. You're an inspiration to father's like myself. I've been trying to get enough goal for him to come. Come to dig. You know what i'm saying. So they got no gold around. You ain't gonna have nobody coming to dig. So i've been doing my best but devon to be wanted and for people to look at him like that so anytime somebody is like oh my god. You know any kind of way towards him. You know it's I still get goosebumps. I still feel you know for the about it. You know checks. Come around wanting him money. Because i remember when we didn't have no money that was everybody right. Next is coming in from dominic kristoff and he says do you take ryan garcia easy. Fight or a fifty fifty on ryan. Brian ain't no easy. Fight it off and Out of respect for him the box and shit. I'm gonna give it. Maybe i give them. Maybe it's a sixty forty sixty forty maybe seventy thirty not a fifty fifty not a fifty fifty all right. And that's i think that was the last one unless i hit the refresh and forty thief. He says who wins. And not including your son or the following two matchups. Which would you like to see. Guy nello versus tarlo fury versus josh canova. Charl all right next one is from jeff nova scotia. He says jeff scotia. Hey bill i'm a big fan. When is your son finally going to fight some top competition or do you plant holy shit or do you plan to keep protecting his. Oh like you've been doing. Thank you jeff. Coming with the dagga. Welcome all that. I mean i was waiting for some smoke. Or i would go all up. It was starting to get to sleep. So the thing about that is that when we got santiago he was ranked in the organization that you talk about a world of fighters and then you talk about being ranked right You know coming up the ladder up up the top twenty five right bottom. Twenty five. Didn't wanna fight devon the top twenty five. Didn't wanna fight devon so it you know for us you know. It's all just one in the same you know. I'll put them in front. Dave and deb. Knock them down like like i said if you have seen something a witness something whether it be whether the and spawn or whether it be in a fight you know then you then you to witness greatness because that's what it is and we're willing to fight anybody on komo here just bullshit so i mean is it frustrating or do you not feel the australia's me as a fan. I feel like i. i look devon. And he's in a position where he is being voided. Yeah but but you gotta remember the mess. He's the youngest of all of them. You know what i mean. And and like i was point out with with keyshawn davis devon. This is his olympic year. Twenty twenty six olympic year were where and Twenty sixteen Devon was he was seventeen. And normally you go. You get a chance to go to the olympics when you're seventeen but they took off the head gear nest and they bumped it up to eighteen so when he took off the head gear for two thousand sixteen it affected my boy more than effected anybody else. Because it's your core. They was they was going through the youths. The juniors they went through it all then devon won all the tournaments lecture core went overseas together and everything but when they bumped era it fucked it up for devon sikora was able to go to the trials and And be successful to to be given you know a silver medal and to experience that whole thing. But it's a whole devon back then four another four years and ultimately came to be twenty one twenty two on his olympic year We just said we'd go to mexico. And he was sixteen. He was sixteen seventeen going on seventeen at the time and he couldn't fight in the united states so that was the reason for us to mexico and then we ran a number of. We went to show box. So you don't feel avoided. Definitely we avoided but but experiencing what devon he had one hundred and thirty hundred thirty eight fights at one hundred thirty eight. You know we got. We got a little bit experience in there and of being avoided coming up then it was the prospects it was the young prospects avoid neiman. And then now it's him as being a world champion but his level of talent. I've always experienced some four of 'em being avoided it just always brought new levels new devils king. I mean 'success peace to you and all the strong black fathers out there. What way class do you see devon finishing his career at an what would be the money. Fight for which you and devon would consider moving up for That's a great question. Because that's where. I think the money the money fight happens not and right now i think that money five hundred seven is probably mikey garcia and one hundred and forty hundred and forty seven hundred. Forty my. I remember you guys. Did the faceoff man mike. You didn't really have any energy for devon at that moment. He he's he's he's a warrior he's a true professional He's also boss and he happens to also work with. Eddie hearn as well and i think that it's something that you know if if you know negotiated talked about Think did it can happen. these other guys as far as the the young is the garcia's and i mean ryan tank and Te'o don't happen You know we're we'll continue fighting and maturing and getting ready for a mikey garcia to present some some some to him. That's what i would. I would want to fight. Obviously the best possible fight is is is The best but you know twenty twenty. Only you guys only fought once you know an and you were very hot. I mean that was a shoulder to shoulder member shoulder injury part of this of twenty and then when the pandemic hit so we forward to a more active twenty twenty one for sure appreciate it. K- says what's good bill ryan campbell. I can see him. Duck and devon by using tank similar to how spence is using cannella to avoid. How will yourselves. And disown convince ryan to fight devon over tank. Well what you see even with the money you know. I don't know but they they they were talking about. I think maybe during that fight paper view. I hurt but with eddie. He assured me that you know that. Dissolve we'll be prepared to offer the kind of money for devon and ryan. That is different than the money. The ryan would make with a tank. So you know. We're just interesting to see. hopefully you know. And he'll be true to you. Know what he's saying and make it happen. So is that gary russell fight never option again. Maybe two really. I wanted to wait my turn for the prospect. Gary peabody down yet. But so those conversations can't be re hatched yell at you saying is it. Is it done is there. Is there a chance we never get it right now right now. What we're doing. We're looking forward to There's negotiation that eddie is doing hopefully with bob or or t-o-n them for this fight. You sure This is where this is and of course you know that other fight was for a little bit of money this is just this other shit or some other shit and they seem to be dissolved. Seems to be more with that Once again gary russell was con- opponent just like raleigh. But i liked that. I believe that that could raise devon's profile that the people would get onto But ultimately it gotta be a fight like that they're willing to pay for and their geeked about this disarm this new campbell fight and a luke campbell. Fight doesn't does it luke luke. Campbell loses and wrangler wang garcia fights tank to female. Doesn't he goes with cambosix. Been where campbell fight Plus would you take a campfire off loss campbell. No yeah no so. So so the situation with russell dizzy deter you. Ugliness situation hasn't left you with such a bad taste that you would like you would still entertain a fight down the row a gay russell. Yeah but i would. I wouldn't i wouldn't do negotiate and i would let i would. Have somebody call him to do it. I'm not gonna do it okay. Okay that makes sense that makes sense. I understand so it's like part of you is like i didn't like what would happen. So i'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Yeah of course no. No i understand that one hundred percent it. It felt like that. You know your demeanor which is always you know i it serious but it's playful it. Even i started did not like what was going on like you know what i mean. Seem drained by. It seemed like the circles were just. I don't know it was like no more. So they. They started testing mind integrity. Your patients pay just my integrity. That i wasn't presenting the right thing or i wasn't and all other bullshit win. Any name was telling you that telling him that it was the right thing that they saw the shit and you know what i mean it just it did stopped making sense. Yeah oh compl-. I get that one hundred percent The next one that we have is from stone bone boxing and he says peace guy. I just want to thank you for speaking truth to these guys championship fight champs. But these guys don't want unification's they don't want earl versus bud or devon versus. Te'o they want bud versus porter devin versus anyone but other champs shit sat. Thanks for your patience with the fans piece emoji. Listen everybody is getting a chance to get some shit often because guess what be so. What does that. What does that. The child has cut him up. Cut cut cut cut cut cut cut. You need to get it right ball piece ball good good you know i hear you brother. Different situation he has china link linked to your situation. That's listen it's totally different okay. First of all You are already saying we are the b. side to a female. That's the first step see stone and the bud fellas. They believed that crawford and earl is a fifty fifty five and okay. What is what does this mean to you. Not the as fried the beef side of a side. And i'm the be side. Come on give it to give insurgents cases in certain cases because her case you're aside and tell me everything that you want and make me to be side and let me know now because i prefer i prefer real life situations over over like over like that so you know For instance mayweather was the eisai the canelo so he was able to negotiate the one hundred fifty to dictate dictate terms. And that's what. I think the bcs means it's that willing to have terms dictated to you. You're willing to have your name second on the on the on the marquee. You're willing to come out first secular willing to do whatever the side is asking. The second is negotiated. Remember that like. That's that's a fighter i remember. I can't remember what fight it was. But i remember fighter wanted that and and you can concede like all right. Forget have your name i. It doesn't matter but but terms being dictated definitely has to do a side by side think the people would be what the fuck they'd be talking about as everybody bayside. Hey side what could fucker. We're talking about five decide. The turtles question real quick please person with the leverage in the in the situation meaning the eisai meaning meaning oscar oscar had all the leverage going into the fight with floyd. He was bringing everything to the table right and was coming to the table. And floyd says okay. That's fine you bringing the money you bring this will negotiate and you can be. They signed right in a situation situation panel handy. If you can answer the situation where you got to this situation you've got one person who got the titles and the other person who has the money in that situation who would be the a side and that's according to perspective at that we got some guys you got. Some guys are gonna care about what color gloves you're wearing. You got other guys. Don't care about the what the what the what the monetary government decided in. Listen opponent there's going to be able to wear anything. The acc champion does any kind of name brand on gloves. Whatever you wear they can wear the same gloves they have the accident. Where so when you talk about a and decide. I mean if you're bringing the money to the table if you bring them onto table you're bringing everything to table. Wh when it comes down to negotiate it becomes. Give or take thing okay. I'm on the billing. I'm going my name. Is this way when we come out. we're gonna come out one is gonna come out after the other and then when the announcement happens one is going to happen to other all these fucking small shit so much so you so you get everything on aside you come out. I you your name gets mentioned last all this other shit what you know been. What else do you. I won't negotiate. Put amount of money that you bring to the table and all the shit so then what else i mean but beat all staff forbid it sounds great man smashed up off of them all the power. I look across from you. Whatever you get there and men devon's over there we're going to smash you just like we've been smashing everybody else. So mapo can they can play. They can talk this. Assad bichon whatever you wanna make at the end of the day. If he was really he was ready to go would make no difference. But that's the difference in that situation is again that you are saying he is the side where you know but crawford continues to believe that it's a fifty fifty fight whenever he hears earl spent say no. The fight is a sixty forty seventy thirty. You know he. He goes through social media. Says that's why we don't. That's why the fight isn't happening despite his over. I'm moving to one thirty five. You know case closed. This is done. He doesn't want it so like he's expressing frustration over believing his accolades. Get him fifty fifty and this is a business you know you got one guy doing pay per views. He's the a side he's the a he gets to dictate regardless if it's going to be to broadcasters earl will probably get a higher percentage because he's been successfully doing pay per views. I mean it's just that you gotta fighter. Put it this way. I'm just gonna i'm i'm tired of fucking around the plane which you gotta fighter the sign to accompany fighting against a fighter co-promoter with the would the other co-promoter against them. We negotiated the money. You put the money over here on our side our side. It's still going to be bigger for eight fighter. You understand what i'm saying. Fighter is going to be bigger. We don't give a fuck about the ace cider beside because what we negotiate. He's negotiate. Nasdaq promoter film. So you saying. Because he's his own boss aside for y'all doesn't matter because you're the east side of your own situation and that's why i'm emphasizing that. Your situation is nothing like the arrow. But right right. So what you've got so what you've got to have as feeling for guys like but or or depending on whatever situation is depending on whose positioned in their business to why they have to negotiate or why they need a certain amount of money. You know. it's it's to be respected soupy respected and i think that guy's they need a shit pile of money whole lotta month to get together if you're gonna pay youtubers any fucking thing any red nickel then you need to give them guys a whole lot of money and we need to be patient with them. If it happens it happens if it doesn't. It doesn't in the meantime you got to youngsters. Hungary as a mother fucker put them in there if they ready to go. Avoid in your though I think that we can although appreciate what you're saying. Because look where the way. I've known boxing is that the fights sleep fully me where the pack yao. They happened at a time when they were passed. What we really wanted to see right But here you are asking and demanding for these fights and for them to happen at the at the time that they should have been right. And that's what what i think's going to end up creating. The biggest stars in the world is fighters fighting the best. And having the best kind of fights me. But only when you're only when you have a sense of reality and you understand what the economics of boxing dictates is when you can rationally make these fights between you know what what happens when you win a belt. What happens when you become that guy. You automatically start to develop this eisai personality this you know. I don't want to call it a diva personality. But you get what. I'm trying to say right and then it becomes like a fight somebody you know. No no no you go through somebody else to get to me. Because i'm the boss this mortal combat or something. It's not you know we want the best fight so for fans we get frustrated when we hear one side saying we'll take the fight right now. We want the fight but then the other side say well. We want five mil. Okay you got a week. If i milk well should. We should ask for more. No no we want to do. I say i said. I wanna five for the fight and then another five so you know what i'm saying. So then it's like. The narrative gets spit totally different. One hundred percent got another new somebody. Somebody was going to do something when you said that. I got another from always on him. He's he's he's always on top of the big casual with a late one And he says what's up coach. Which fight is big foot. A sport guy nello versus jamaal charles but versus spence. Aj versus fury guy. Neyla versus spence. Shout out to my boy. Making a list twice. But i i mean as a fight fan. I wanna see bud. I meant not i mean and then second is joshua verse kyrie fury the reason. Why is that. I think it lost a little bit when he lost to a you know we lost Reese ruis he has just added took away a little bit of luster. No you're one hundred right. I've still got to go with crop. Spent it's it's about probably have half of the buzz of the mayweather pacquiao spence and and and and cooperate. You know what i mean. It has that field that you like damn. You don't want them to get too old to fight you know but while you're absolutely right and what's name but it is big. I do want to see a com- a canal. Oh charl- low fight Who who who do you favor Canola carlo get them on the smart man. I'm just after what i saw after one i saw With camello i'm kind of seek condello slowing down and then charl i. I don't know i give it. I give it a fifty fifty five fifty. I'll give it a fifty fifty five. Tom put sean spot though. What about you. What about you know. I think at this point If they were to fight at one sixty in my opinion to fifty fifty five anything above one sixty starts favourite canola only because he has had the experience of find those big guy so far under bright lights But but but the longer cannolis fight him now. The longer this goes I mean cannella. People forget this man. Has you know double the fight. Storrow has and so he's going to become more and more worn. And you know it needs to happen to this and i. I got jamal jamal Be charles i don. I mean beaten canal. In twelve rounds. I don't have them stop them. But the explosiveness to size to speed of jamaal charles going to be just a little bit too much for knows something. He's not gonna has seen in a while. I'm fighting fighting fighting like accountable smith and the rocky field and so on and so forth. so Yeah definitely want to see that. I just also wanted to ask you a question If you'd wanna see wild fury three or you want him to just move on and while the fight somebody else like adilion white or or inferior ag fight. I definitely want to see definitely wants wilder. I mean you know. I was at i was at both of them so You know. I think that the first one the first one. I couldn't believe that the count when he when he got up like that you know and then the second fight believed that he'd beating like that so i mean. I think it's only right that it'd be a firefight. Do you think that despite the fact that fury is you know has the universal opinion that he's at the top of the division that wilder. Aj's still the bigger fight out of the three. Like i still feel like despite the fact that he has all the titles that wilder. Aj is the kind of fight that really sells to fight fans. I still think that's the bigger fight fucking forgot all about wilder anxious. I think that. I want to see wilder and fury fight again and then and then wilder or winter bites. Aj that'd be great that should be established and then the In the fight. When i you know that's that's why we need bill To to run the sanctioning body so we get the best for for versus the best right. You make that fight in a heartbeat. Wouldn't you you. You would demand all the best fighters list time is ticking. Man you know what. I mean question now. There was actually one wants to project that i didn't read earlier. You know going with the with the topics that we had on This is from the bill is razz razz gutter. And he says are you in depth willing to take the floyd route like he did with oscar as far as the money and demands. Hope you do. It's an easy. W for y'all in my opinion following his the blueprint of him. We know that we're going into a fight as the b side as the as the underdog. As you know the fans you know we. You guys ain't going believed a debit gonna win. You know what i'm saying. We know we know. Go in you know so going into it. We know what they're gonna be times in his career that we have to take those chances and you know what i mean shot. I always say to tear theme on them. Because you know. They didn't think that a lot of people didn't think that they were gonna win. So you know that's just one of those things in boxes that you that you have to find a cop -bility and on an uncomfortable. Shinseki at a super chatty came back we says true bilby everywhere. China make fights. Ll see. and then i'm world combat. Sports came back with another super chance. He said okay. No you're right you're right. It's another one. He said Bill michael williams jews. Junior is ready for devon haney first pick in two thousand twenty one. Why keep jason t fema lopez. They will have to sending this by the achieve fourteen or attaining though sat out to michael williams junior what they've been doing it for him and his whole family is dad is doing a good job. You know he I'll talk to him. He got to just keep beating it up. Keep making his rounds. You know You know of course worldcom bad. You're doing a great job you know as a as a a a nemesis or a thorn in my side you know and just continue to keep doing what you guys doing. you know and You know maybe maybe maybe in the future but right now we got some bigger fish that we tried to follow lay. He ain't even ranked in the in the in the top of the wbz rankings. But he desires to get an honorable mention all boxing voice. so why. Why vima when you got this dude And to me it's like. I don't know why i said you know i told you that worldcom bed is doing a great job of being thorne in my size busted my boss today and you know you know. That's part that's part of the gate you have like a you know lousy attitude towards the end up saying that you understand what. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you bill. I i had devon beaten loma chanko right before. Ceo ever got the fight. I'm on record saying devon would a beat him. He was a natural thirty-five when teo got the fight. I said the same thing in our team to win I knew guys would win that fight. It was just unfortunate. You didn't get it. You know i got you got enough. I don't pick fights anymore. They leave the rule relationships. Debbie haney versus. Everybody bill nye seriously i got a got taking the throne from either bu- or crawford in the next few years man. I'm gonna be real. I'm going to be real. I just hope that like you. The next fight With a wood would again. Boa like opponent like that level. I just want him to get the knockout. No you said you talked to you before you said how tough that fight was going to beat because you said that. That's what we talked about off off off camera but on from santiago to gamble. He was the best available step up opponent naturally endeavours and devon's career you know and the awkwardness that gamble or present it. The the d- Tionna and and holding. Okay let me ask you this. When and have gameboy ever got got appointed taken away for holders. Now listen. i don't know he doesn't know shit. What the fuck he does. What does he hold and he wasn't trying to hold tank. We gotta hope it wouldn't holding tank. No i feel you man. I mean he tries to hold though. You know what happened was they. Hit him with upperclassmen crawford and tank hit him with uppercut man he loves the he loves the grab gotta hit him on that right on that chain and get them legs shaky but were a new. A new was going to be a good fight. It's a common opponents so even though you didn't get the knockout is like you said man. He didn't get such man so he could touch the twelve and and tank like ours and shit. You know. I mean you don't get that all you can ask for its the dominate. No two judges scorecards. He won every single razzle dan. I'm saying so. It's like display against gameboy. When he was inside those little inside short shots using a game boy was cleaned dipping on there and keeping him moving. Like i'm telling you like gambling thought about trying to trying to punch. He couldn't only you try to do is hold on when you reach out and grab it was nothing to grab. Devin was god. You know the times that he did grab him devil. Give him the harlem shake kinda know. Say get out of there. You also ask yourself if y'all don't fight gamboa's and y'all don't fight for the year like who benefits from that m saying like what are you benefit from. It's kind of like the same thing with ca ken smith. You know people were talking about him as an opponent. But it's like what's the alternative in a year where the pandemic has just obliterated it it'll economics across the board and in boxing specifically in the mix of having fights attend are having peop- Fans attend fights like all of that into perspective. Like gamboa's. yeah you're absolutely right. That's a step in the right direction because of the name value that it brings to devon devon is going to retire at some at some point one day right and we're going to look at the bevy of fighters that he's fought and gumbo is one of those names that will stick out. You know what i mean. Nobody's going to sit here and say oh well you know no. We don't take the time out to do that. You know we look at pack career. We mentioned the big fights in the big names. You know what i'm saying. So as we mentioned we don't mention when the mbo hurt but on the far that's does so i don't let what about what about the to. What about the two raccoon is the tank. Got the last night But he he he gets more hatred than just those two black god's because he took so long to do with like one leg you know so the do came back to came back healthy and devin to get touched but see the thing is is with you gotta understand. What do you what he's saying. Okay he looked at the pattern. He didn't get touched. She told a female. You didn't touch right till said okay. Okay that's all right. The fight is going to happen right right. You talk you. Look at the the the people that you've seems barn. You see shit. You don't see him giving touch and what tell you guys. Is that you witness the witness in something that you haven't seen before witnesses some that people send okay. Well well you know i. I like somebody knocked the got maximize old. Bring them on you. Would you need to be scared of dispersing need we'll bring them on. What the fuck is they. Wait known he says oh. Well i need this. Or i need that. You need a lot of ships but the one thing that you don't hear them saying is that they wanna fight next. Never hear the motherfucker stating wanna fight next miss bill. I'm telling you that you guys avoided but you can also find yourself in dimitrios andre position like i. I'm i'm trying to ask you what you're going to do not to be in that position. Now wait we're gonna we're gonna move up. We'll continue to develop and move an offer. This fight the this up this mikey. Mikey garcia fight and the next you know. 'cause we devon needs another fight or to to develop a feel you know what i mean instead of going at mike. Mikey max or saying making mix. I think you know this next fight and then one more and then mikey so the the one more would be at one forty or is it one or more does last one is at one thirty five one forty and then mikey garcia. So who. Who would you want at one forty before. Mikey what's that person's name. I'm meeting virtually. We don't see no problem. That went at one forty. Even you know I don't know who that who that what that person looks like though. I don't know who that person is after you know. Let me help Where we got one forty champions josh man. Those guys have all the bells. Then they will be. They won't be available now of course now of course not you would be. Wbz champion moving up so number one. Jose cepeda tough fight. He's He's like unknown and a really good fighter. Dave problems then got just pro gray. You got victim. Post-oil victim postal common opponent again with terence bug crawford though And with ramirez smashed victor postal Then you got barboza. Top rank won't do that. No maybe golden boy won't do that hooker he's pbc as a welterweight now though Brand check isn't he. Would you guys with his own branch. Branch These are just wbz. Names you know the rest. They're not you know from seven at one forty when we move up you know but if you're gonna stay in those wbz rankings. It's pretty pretty dim over the same situation right. Top rank controls those belts. And then the wbz you know. The best fights are like post style. pro gray. You know. I guess barboza still undefeated right. He just He just got his big as like last month. I forgot who he be. I remember. I think what's going to happen. Is that once. Once a josh taylor. Ramirez by happens then then. That'll that'll free things up. And it'll it'll look more clear you know as as a path. Which country would you wait for that or would you be in that division. While they're still chance we wait. We wait we can we right. Here is better than defending champion. Then go up and fight as you know. We're we're we're wade we're sticking around. We're not we're not leaving. You know we're not leaving this this division until we know that we need to clean it up or we're going to be avoided. I said so talking about sticking around. You know you've been on for two hours. And twelve minutes thrive breath. I appreciate you guys. Meh put it in. We put everybody all the The everybody's question jay mcduck and you he keeps saying he got gotta post a on the post but he don't got in there. Can you guys refresh on urine. See if his if his mark computers no not over here. It's a guy name of of of world combat combat. Send me some. i'm coming on your show man. I'm coming to see you about something man who i need. We need to talk about this. Mr michael williams junior man. I see. i'll talk to his father. His father his father told me many men hungry my father we we hungry be i said well you know we all use was like one forty seven. I'd say you know it's a lot of young guys is boots up there one forty. He said naw man. It's yo son. Why is it yeah. He said you'll son got the flash. He got all the shit he going at him. And you know. And when. I told them. And you'll you'll probably end up talking to my. I said i said wow man that's crazy. He said you know what i'm talking about. I said no. I don't say you know what position you. Msa no but you let me know. Now what position to win. And i appreciate you know appreciate you looking at us like you feel like if if i talk some shit and i get them on there that my life is going be straight but we got something else by you. I'm glad that we looked like that. You know but what ain't none sweet over here for shelf they have. I mean candy slim. How to question on super chat. I think you answered that though right What about not kettani. If not or other big name you can get it knocking. He's he's he's a he's a he's a guy man real therapa. He's asked his devon styles too. But i like michael taty which i understand is the the two the two fighters let me see. I thought you just say you had a common opponent with mason menard. You didn't need. Yeah i would have. We did talk about a comment. But i like my kettani. Like what does he do for your like if you win fight. Like what does he do for you. Nest don't i. We're we're not doing it. I'm just saying i like you. Just giving him his his crop gets way. You know what i'm saying. Way got up and now let me tell you though he destroyed he he he. He destroyed a man that would have been a good opponent felix day home. We were watching the fight for phoenix. That would be a fight dale because he's a name. Yeah because he so. I mean begin. You sell tickets. Not verdel was working his way back up to. Yes being guy so we had we had him on our radar because because the name or the nationality why exactly for for sales name has been big. It was big way back before. When devon i for dale was decorated. Aww shit no. I know we talk about it all the i just try to show guys certified as don't have to do much to get opportunities you know You're saying for. I was saying berlanga. The other day like berlanga might get a canal. Oh opportunity quicker than other guys. Just because of who he is and how he does what he does. You know And look i would've never thought i would have gave her an opportunity. You know ceo initially before before his accident for dale was top ranked golden boy yet when he was supposed to be near guy so as as they're giving him as our they're giving him the knock tani's and i'm sure i'm sure he had another opportunity. Now they were building up to be and we were watching him slowly get back up until deposition where he was going to be a threat. You understand what i'm saying. So the naga tiny destroyed the. I'd give naga tiny as four grams and his full respect without say behind. You know we chair. I got that could tell us but now get on here. And i don't say that you don't act like noggin. Tiny don't exist normal taking he he he surprise us. He's a good fighter. Way got back up. And he's he's he's ruggedness. Fuck but the one thing that i like about fighters like naga tiny and stuff like that is that they do. He's learned traditional shit and for devon traditional ship. Then he knows what you do with easy formed process but when it's the aqua shit and that's what would get more for him to relax and and and grow from that. I wanted him to grow. And we needed a fighter. That was gonna be awkward. There was gonna be rugged but tho more punches than santiago. we didn't expect him to hold as much santiago. We just thought he was going. There's many projects. And i think Tune is a younger version of gamboa's faster gamble so it's all just prepared devonport this next fight. Whoever the fighter may be you got one that came in on the superjet bills from lv slugger. He says when do you think devon gets his girl manpower well to wait no more power coming powers over with right no more power. Listen a lot of power. Still nine with everyone is sleeping. This is put put person that you feel as powerful and you put the power and we show you what power does what power means. Put them in there. Just just don't even put the power on us. He has no power no power comet. Put us in there because world champion and your name and the have with would would Eddie nim you. This ain't no time to be building. You gotta be ready or not. We ready to go with what we got and if it gets better than of course that's what you wanna do improve every day and you would hope but if it if it is what it is. Dan has the skills right now to go on and be You know a multi division on multi champion trip a yo yo leads logo. See this this this this this ego lives logo. Superfan acts is michael williams. Julia option the reason. I'm taking personal is because would somebody fourteen in. Ob option for terrorist yuppie trip. Out here man. They they want people to look in the review mirror and be okay with it when it when it suits them but anyway get bill answer. That again is michael williams junior option. Listen everybody is an option. We don't turn down to fight just not now he is what has gotta make sense though looking get a couple a we don't turn down as everybody is an option wing. You know talk about michael williams and they have to make sure that they can get approved. You got commissions all kinds of stuff and we talked about in the pool to fight devon. You gotta be really really on your side or the commission. Don't even cruise shit watches. And i'll try. And you know. I mean i try to give you the last inadequate annihilated but they might not let me do it how much they listened when they're sopping with a body shot anyway so he's trying to get some get back from the body shot to death stopping with at the gym so That wasn't personal. Is that know. How much time is he. Look into get devon defied in twenty twenty one. I think everything at least two to three two three times. It's time i think we got that point where we added it up on the to just twenty five in. Oh and if if he did. I want times in ten years. That will be birdies of thirty and twenty is what i think. That's like fifty fifty five ten years to get five dollars so he'd be like thirty. It'd be like bernie one years old or something like that. Damn we could be. It could be the and all in thirty at thirty true figured out man however however pace hashtag goals halfway there well to yet if you just due to a year pretend years that's and twenty twenty five forty five now and then he's still only thirty two so we pick up the mother. You know what i mean. We we serious now beyond a better position than a lot of people where they were tied to like the golden boy don king or rank and they had to put themselves in a situation where they had. It's eight years off of the off the sport just to handle their financials. You know happen andrea war. Mike garcia floyd mayweather. The list goes on and on and you are in a situation where you're already looking at a at a contract year at this at your at devon's age at this point in his career to be in that situation You know you did it. A he works smarter not harder. You know what i'm saying. It's not as in are dead. Works more with it. So this is like i said attributed to them to get an a curse bore even floyd or you know that team mayweather because you know he gave so much to the sport and he taught us all so much because he was you know he he. He put it on the line towards the siege and we learned it and then when it comes back like doin' his cousin says you almost negotiating against yourself because you you teach us how to do it and then you come back to negotiate and then you wonder why we don't accept certain things why we we want things you know what. I mean that that aren't traditionally ask for you. Know what i mean because he laid it out for us you know that's appreciate don't want it because you know a lotta times You have a lot of these fighters out here that want to do promotional companies. I give an example. Ask you a question. I- terrence crawford having his promotional deals come into almost at the end of his his contract and economic do alike inelegant and try to do it his own way or try to link put a promoter and the thought is whether or not you know can carry it on his own or is he going to need to promote endeavor showing right now that we would have co promoter Hopefully maybe soon you. Can you know what i'm saying. Run the show completely by himself right or team up with somebody. Like tariffs cropper. And then they do it together. And the thing i hear you pushing that narrative allow. Why is that so important for you to to. Have you know a lot of these five. Get on to the same so to speak and and going to same direction. Like get a terence crawford and you know That the gay wrestling. We all work together. other fighters you know we get as much as possible. What handy promotions provide that other. Promotional companies might not. Well i mean it's all totally different things at different instances where you know we're able to come on and bring the money and by by the fighter coming into making a stronger or it's an instance where devon comes as a free agent to make that side stronger and and way to negotiate and use leverage on either side so just in business you know. We're able to doing wanted to be able to be in a walled in the unique situations that are not you know not traditional so for the big name fighters. It'd be more co promotional deals. You would say you would be signing directly to designating promotions. Yeah yeah no discount promotion right right near the questions. We got mr haney. That's it that's Guys appreciate you man. I don't know what happened. The last time i hit you up but i guess your phone was off because it went from green I mean the blue degrees usually like when you an airplane some shit. Yeah yeah no no not pre show. Yeah yeah we're supposed to meet at a time when you go when you're going to be back on this end that's found no now next Next thing we looking at his florida. Doing another florida march. And then you gotta away for some big fights. I guess i would come to devon's private new year's eve party and vegas i'm gonna. I'm gonna say a tentative. Yes but the truth is i'm. I'm closing on a house. If everything goes right i closing eight days and that's just more important. I'm trying to relocate off the country the country. We are locked down right now. I'm in canada. So the lower candidates ronald cass. Good since you'll be talking about us and canada. I can't even buy you a drink or would you can san diego some south texas or something. He smokes too. And this this and this right you know. Toronto got that fire fire. Listen i'm trying to get up with. You can see that gray stuff man. Yeah ain't no doubt. I got i got some shit cookie store we got some shit called dynamic duo It's a strand as men death and it's a strand is it's a hybrid and it's the it's the indika in him. Aniston sativa me. You dig what i'm saying. And it's called. The dynamic duo totally legal at right here in in san francisco yet. I can't wait to meet you and Hang out with you. I'm gonna remind you of this moment saying francis from toronto canada. You know what i'm saying. I do as a black man. I've got to give you. A flyers can smell. Because i never know if. I'm get chance to talk to you again but i appreciate everything. Do you know what i'm saying as a father myself you know. I didn't grow my father. But being far i understand the difference. You know what i'm saying and how impactful you can be. Would just you know just a little bit of time but if you give more you know what i'm saying i fly will bloom even even beggars so i appreciate you very much. Thank you so much. Keep doing it. Don't stop. I see you got the little ones coming behind that you do your thing. We work for less night. And i appreciate. I got one more from New orleans j. matt He put it in the wrong place. Spence told the interviewer forties toma. Chris mannix on the broadcast for gondolo smith. He to- christmas the that they would crawford. Sixty forty seven thirty. He's got to take what they give him And he says. Does that sound accurate or has bud done or not done enough to be a fifty fifty five. So has bud done enough or not done to be a fifty fifty five with earl in your is just. It just depends on the way to split. His like i said was when you talk about a sixty forty split and we forty on on our hands are forty. Might look like something that's different. You know so you know when you come down to. It's hard to speak on another man's money the way i i think as a fan you know. I'm looking forward to the fight. I hope that that that That it can happen. You know you just never speak on. Nobody's money in terms of stowe. Sixty forty going into it with some of those guys you know. We ain't got no problem with it but seventy thirty out to funding question. We're not doing seventy thirty. But sixty forty. And some instances where you might consider it to be fifty fifty and you might need to the budget a little bit. I don't know how much room your your your. Your buds is still. I don't want to speak on somebody else. But it might be instance where where we're going to it where we might feel that we deserve fifty that we might take to forty to make this shit happen if that makes sense B h seventy. Thirty is not an option but but Hypothetically right your son is a welterweight. He has Nobel and earl offers him who shot and he gives them thirty percent. You still saying no no because what what. I'm what i'm way up if you're if it's thirty percents you're not really bringing to the table. You know not anything snip. You're not carrying a fight so get your resume up your thing up that you know you buzz and so hard that you might even feel like you to six or you might feel like you to fifty and then you end up with the forty not that you know just going into it like you. You know thirty percent. I don't i. Don't i don't know thirty percent fighter. I don't know how that would go. Bill i love you man. Yeah greg thank thank you so much. I was shown that though is going to be my second home in. I'm actually getting the hell out this snow here. Man i'm i'm trying to get to All son but I'm actually going to see about take you up on that offer. Man i'm gonna talk to the lady see if she's going to give me the okay. Don't tell it you've come into devon's party 'cause did she probably not going to be able to come gonna be looking at it. So i'm going to devastate listening to this lady listening to i'm gonna tell it same way. Differences is business. Honey is business. Man appreciate y'all man. Thanks bill for room anytime. Anytime may come back please. Piece then. I was a very very good interview. Jump straight into these calls. I'm sure you guys have been desperate to get on me. Kept you on long. Anybody on blacktop. Before openness up with chuck right now before we do that Lebron came in That i want to bring up. It said gregory donovan said did lolo harris. Ever get spar devon after tank of this. Gonyea missed missed. That one late Let me see on blog talk. You got k. boxing. Oh oh soon let me see you. Ready or on block Ms ryan's question. He said they he posted it. And i look for. And i couldn't find it memberships. He should've shit he did say was the community. But i don't know why i didn't think of it. Your man down. My bet ryan ryan apologies. All right let's open this up here blogs doctor we got who we got some odd tomorrow dion in thing. I'll put that put that right now. Man i mean. I let me double check with him anyway. But anyway Yeah these calls are brought to you by el camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. Visit us at el camino electrical services dot com. Remember to raise five stars on. Itunes subscribe to youtube dot com slash. The boxing voice for the latest and greatest interviews with favorite fighters k. boxer shorts. I mean saw to me back without me without me your sellers as always at the last minute. I wanted to know. Because that's what i'm saying. Like if they move up that'd definitely be a great site where mike eat but With all due respect to my man. Danny i'm thinking like danny looking like a good fight for devon. You know what i'm saying. I think i'm pulling for devon. I think devon versus dany garcia is a great fight on as well as mike. If you're gonna go up to welterweight division so You know the politics in boxes so nasty man. But i love what he's doing. Shut up the hanging family. I ain't gonna hold up the line man great great as always tv. Y'all fellas are amazing. Man that's my call. I mean thank you for calling in going to derrick lincoln. Supercharge says ness you leave in the great state of new jersey. How champi city year. Yeah i mean. I don't even know hope thing goes. You know how that goes man. You know how that goes. Real quick to we had a membership. Join victor orlando welcome to the prospect. Let's go euro. Jp cinema had said some man real early early on. I don't know if you guys cardi said other videos. Show senior asking seven mil. So it's didn't want to say that during the interview. Because i didn't we didn't fact check that you know what i mean. So and you see haney was pulling proceeds. Can't play no games go. Gains jury got the paintbox oxen expert has son. Did you catch that. He looks like forest whittaker. Didn't say that either. Because i was like you know. I don't wanna is early in the morning. I ain't trying to ruin the move. Then he said Listening to ego four. Actually hold on hold on hold on hold on. We can't just gloss over that. what the for. Where's the backspin footage. She come on by expert. Forest whittaker bra forest whitaker's dyke the do played in samurai or the do played in fucking. He played bumpy johnson on stars. Like forest whittaker come on what yeah as far as whitaker's yeah oh no. He was a little far off on whitaker. What the fuck dumi. But it did say listening to ego or deontay. We'll give brain cancer Ding we go into these callers. Yup we're going to the lines so you hate what you want a would ask two week down. It's just combined to handle this. Only take part and not as president bush mac blasted black plastic stats and got good morning. Hear me sir alan. What's going on with minds are not posted every time and accepted. I william sidney none of the comments that gotta try to show you the pictures. Show that the comment dinning as low. Load up correctly without bill. Haney sat out a bill. Haney shot up to wait. no Going out pretty bad pretty bad. Totally j. j. totally gone call him gone with like scarlet is it is it. Isn't it What's my man named played. The bodyguard kevin costner. Did he also gone with the wind. Yeah yeah he did gonna sixty seconds was Nicholas nicholas cage. Thank you man. I'm a movie buff. Man faced off shelby. Gt coach coach. My boomerang coach on building. I guess it was a great interview. You know. I would like to learn more about bill. Haney has promotion Company will type of fighters he got signed and stuff like that That's the thing that's funny. Because you didn't ask that question you chose to x. About i mean i did. I mean i mean you're interviewing the guy figure you more stuff about. I'm actually actually interviewed a guy you know what i mean i did. I did put in the chat for a second question. But i would like to know. I separate questions do x. About confusing because nine times out of ten guarantee none of y'all panel knew that he worked with lives that that's exactly so that's something that brought out to everybody else. Obviously i knew it brings out a question and you get to know about that person. That's how you do interview research interviews like the ask questions like that when you interview. But that's all but i did have a question another question but besides that i guess it was good to hear from bill haney. Yeah man next time. Beat the right. You know you should ask what you want with the one question that you get because for us. It's like it was like It was a reactionary interview. He wanted to come off specifically because he saw the title. It wasn't like this was like an interview. You know what. I'm saying that we were doing that. We had time that this was exactly. It was unscheduled on prompted. We actually had another guests. Those like you know it wasn't about us. Let's interviewed evan. Haney is about bringing. Evan haney on and having him be a fourth voice on the show about the topic which he knows more about than the rest of us and for. I'm just saying. I don't know why you want to ask about the promotional company but then you ice about music. That just threw me off for luke especially on a boxing to expect anyone to do what you can do. Better doesn't make portion of the show. We call driven by yoyo good morning. Tbb family info joe's obese atm. Wanna say great job. Great interview mag sat out to bill. Handyman he he. Kelly cooman a I would like to see fight Fortuna man start the year off right man. I think that'd be a good fight man. You'll get a couple of gunshots before mout food. Coach myers. No oh which will you want what you want. That's what a sucker hit the thumbs down. Tv family man. hit the thumbs up. Man these guys is working. Every day. They hear guarantee On time giving you show after show every day thumbs up. And that's for the suckers. The gunshots the suckers that hit the thumbs down piece family coach mine. I played that back right on time. Let's go through is e oklahoma. What is casual there. May nine legendary is legendary gordon good interviews Bill is on for a while. And i was pretty cool. I had a few work. Come comeback still on surprise No questions just just listening in your mr. cyp on the super chat. Boxing expert just proved. He's caucasian without showing his face. Three periods another tv chatter exposed to periods. Thank you hashtag. Whitaker J. t. new or leans all your valuable j. team in lafleur. Makeup is really ship. Hey took down the way. I wanna talk to. You turn. station was on. The boorda was in vegas. Y'all go to their party. I know 'cause that parties for new years so to quit. Oh damn. I'm like next year year. Wiz by round cone days nine days late notice but that was a good interview bill. Hands-on down to earth man. I took a nap fellow. fell asleep. I'm coming in a little cold. No corona virus. I'd take a test every monday but but yeah man. He was still owners. I was shot down earnings. She'd like to. But i couldn't see the co a constant questions. I mean i will exit but somebody came out about the powell question because i i'm still curious about that. Where he said no power he basically just basically trying to give him in the rain and see in. Cvs powell but i mean interviews and You know that's got the all right. Let's say tomorrow we're gonna have deanne. Nicholson the equalizer undefeated crews away. He's now fourteen to know with thirteen. Cao's trains out of the Alabama tuscaloosa area out of that deontay wilder jim. He'll be on the show tomorrow and yemen. If you wanna ask him a question head on over to your either your memberships. I'm sorry. I forgot but dumi won't forget governor again as we're going to remind him he didn't know but yeah we post. We've always post the through the questions. Both on page john and memberships. So it's already on pay on. And i'm physically putting it on memberships right now you could go ahead and put your question for tomorrow Dion nicholson the equalizer. Equalizing with that right hand. Man he's coming. He's coming in sniper style man fourteen already so guy guys gossip pop man not afraid to get in there and fight and give the crowd good show so we have one more from gregory. Dial donovan on the super supercharge like popped up Did harris ever get to spar. Deb after tank. Call you old face. Wold faces never got to see it but goodies well. Dividian in buffalo is all about the tuscaloosa policies in buffalo. Are you agree interview great interview. I listened like a huge chunk of their brand gots through tomorrow. When i go back i was like wow whittaker to learn life was that's what i said nah leaving i and all that bad man dude is like totally a different shade. Oh then you know. Just not street kings Res shit when he was like chief. Unfit king of scotland won't samurai like i was like damn. That was like one of those off shoot jason's lyric. That was a goal. Oh yeah yeah. That'd be funny. Status funny stylized common interview. Yeah that's god. God bless We Keen laugh laurie. What is he would've j mac giving excellent instructions over there takim dream we hear you can young was good and on and everybody full panel Left which. I had a full panel on this morning. Over deep up there Great great show angry interview mass of the bill. Haney he just seems like the coolest do in the world just straight chilling on answering all the questions you know. I gotta get at unesco That's heyman kinda started stumbling a little bit like he gave you the florida kind of will you give me the blueprint. And that's what i do. And mario headed comes to the rescue by common opponents started had to do is just you heard him. He was not willing. I get is like everything we tell them to do. Is look behind them. They looking at it like we got a bell. We should fight champions but because of wbz. You know it's it's it's You know It's put some sit on that bill in to the rescue on that bill to he had a breakdown in the business. You know his his his forty percent. They'll take forty because it's forty going down the morning you'll sixty normally talking real businessman. Talk so the bill handyman. I liked i liked that. He's a he's a real business checks for having the making money. So that's does this. Show listen to me when necessary for the last three years we had we had people they say was the phrase they use they say It's funny how when bill say it's funny. How all of a sudden you know people got different energy when bill say forty percent meemaw 'cause he got a promotional company when ness was saying al hayman fight is getting into checks because they got up emotional comey. Pbc fan boy. Well i love it i love. Lv slugger would up here. Come back to me. Who what up. Everybody need to like the video. Subscribe to the channel. Join patriot near you to members I did a good job with a interview today and Nest man wanted to personally apologize to you on air. You know what. I'm saying about how they match as a channel last week over there. I could talk to you about that Somewhere else or whatever but s. All i really call for just apologized managed at just leaving it at what it was. So esau today man all good chair you seen i went to you another day when he was on the line because i know boxing gets us. Heated takeda's passionate as everyone else. But that's real. Don't don't mean me. And you know me and j mac perfect examples. We say should aid day. And they don't is not You know an is not ending the relationship my gene. No my gym talking. And what have run and he. I run it from the heavyweight division. what now. I'm actually probably going to be heavy weeks. Not enough off. As i thought so. Good familiar on a spa evans. Midi plan man. this family. my family's here so eating. Excuse you want to definitely excuse. But it's all good again five miles in. Who knows maybe maybe small tank. Maybe some of these other heavyweight ticket great. Great interview definitely knows what he's doing. So great job guys showing off big time i he doing house and second he having a conversation while running out to you. I don't even in the ceo If you find the house and you can do that you should be able to lose whatever weight you want. I never ran five miles straight the only times. I was doing five miles when i was going to the mountain. So it's like different always told do me. I felt like it was different. You don't feel the five miles because you go up. You're going down is crazy to rain. this there's rivers is all this it keeps your mind busy So by the time you got in the miles a year realize your mind is distracted by the view and everything is almost like paul k. To because it's not it's like terrain you definitely don't want brennan sneakers you want. You know cross train as something with already. Know that some you know An twenty miles a week here so that means you can lose anything. It's got to be the way you eat and man for real You gotta cut. It allowed me. I gotta sacrifice may cut it all out going brother. Call them now calling him on the cheek. Calm the cheeto. Not nothing like Maintaining carbs down is not is not as hard you know you get you get thirty carbs to kind of play with. I mean the foods you start getting used. I'm used car manager. So i put all my stuff in there and i scan whatever me in and i think it's just it's been a learning curve because eventually i just know what not to eat because i know what has carbs and stuff like that but My thing is always been my sweet tooth bro. Telling you man and what you mean. Yeah that's that's funny. You say that because we in a situation where there was plenty of sweets. That michael was bringing yaw really liked touch them or nothing like most looking at you that last piece apart. Because i'm gonna take it to me was that You know we we were hanging out like you know what. I'm hearing chilling shit and it's like yeah man like you start to get urges the old that don't dumb dump chocolat them. I will eat the chocolate. I i'd be thank stakes to mario. I am a superfan of a new hot chocolate. And it's like. I will eat the that's the name and i freaking. I had some yesterday. I had surly going gonna love it. I had some yesterday and You know a a candidate cana- by whatever canada by whatever is the wrightwood k. Apart koi well whichever the right way you know what i make First of all both of them are wrong. The way he let me go to stowed bows stone bode. You don't stick. We don't come into the lights You but you sound like you not in the same room as us. He driving man a. Yeah bam driving slides through the mountains of man enjoyed beautiful day out here with no snow ship off the saw like is we live in a msa like you in the foothills so a lot of you a if your house is above two hundred thousand live on the like the ridges of the mounds in behind low valleys and stuff like this. When you'd be leaving your house you like coming around originally apologised drop off the cliff so But yeah matt shutout to build handyman. And i'm just consistent are we're room and i won't. I won't cannella to fight clinton now you know bit. Evita's hasn't got the bill. So ain't i won't that fight but that's a good fight. I won't dave inverse -til i won't but versus low Manny earl manny all these visits. I'll just wanna championship fight. The champions i mean appreciate his sincerity by senate like and i'm cool with. We have understand that He he's saying he accept to be saw to. I'm not saying that if the negotiations happened to win over that url would it be to a side. I'm not arguing. But what. I have seen as a man public argue where we stand and is trying to send you a public and all that if breeze the type of reactors we get. That's why we could cut. Its greatness chasing greatness. What up greatness. Step into the light. Y'all greatness need a date. Do me when you trying to spa. We were supposed to hit the gym day man but we have so many interviews. Look at the time it is buzz. Busby one oh clock greatness so go gonna boomerang j. matt yo- you know dropped dole real bad how. I don't know how much my first call i got. Oh buttons like barely. Her is my mb The king nello quick by take quite dick. Maybe need to get on that Tainted meat proud to help you know you. Big fan of canola probably Connect you with the meat. Well have you got to be a on me to help him. Cut them pounds. That's what i'm saying but The king nola face of boxing Ratio great interview from a jones and great for energy bill Haney he always keeps his holid-. I definitely like his business. Mind and find quite fun to induce. Try to tell him how to the business at the man and put his son in a position to where he can make millions like. It's crazy to me. But i mean as boxing fans. That's what we do. We always want this. We want dad. I feel like we at times. We know best. Like even tom he stays stay out the business. I don't see how we never got caught up into monday. I only ask my question. To scrapped coach. Myers like i said a question about music just about music on my question was how does the music industry being in that business to the industry. You know he is a businessman. Let's not forget that before promoter but anyways shut out to shut out. The mario nestle not come to jersey. I'm out to get you in the ring graph so you might have to set that up. Don't worry about it man. I know how to control sparring. You know what. I'm saying. I'll give you the work. You need dan you stunt in on them might focus on that fight but but but he didn't compare it to boxing. He said who excuse me. How does the music industry competitive. So you compare device. Shut up this. Why did you read that We we had to from boxing expert. He said Rogue one star wars whitaker character. Which i happen to look up just a curiosity just maybe maybe a little bit of the hair. That's if if there was any character. I guess it's that one but that's not the one that came to mind like a four. I'm like bro. You winokur stars like what yeah stars. Boxing expert came back to see when he for quitter of the year after year down. He met he's service so hard right. Experts stop just. Stop letting go. I'm not even going to squeeze it is let it go. Just let it go and let that one you know what's a die down. Yeah yeah yeah you a big man for screen sharing that. Because i'm like first of all it's it's it's just bad is y'all hey asia. You better win this. If you're witnessed fight wisconsin back me five. You'll win this how we have a you in wisconsin. But i hope to a lot of people are struggling voted box. You know when the pants were hit nature. Now i've got the keys my own joke. No one stopping train known. I mean like. I got a good team all I'm constantly in the kim. Like this isn't a hobby for me. This is why. I hope old constantly and i know you'll never took my facebook but i've been in shape for the last eleven years of my life. You know what. I mean out there thirty years old. Almost dot com young with twenty two year old. And this and that is you know like old guy and i quite like an old got so you know what i'm saying. I'm i got hold on the fight. Win the barrowman cooling-off. Hey florida lou. I'm going to disneyworld afterward you know. I'm getting victory and laugh in front of my girl and my kids should bad so it is what it is man who did that bring wave going to the table. How don't give injured with another thing. I want to say. Is i feel these people to get in shape especially some of the heavyweight videos near to help you about a personal care for over ten year coach. You know everybody wants to reach out and needs some tips on getting in getting. I'm more than willing to help people out. If they want to reach out. I can give them workout regimen and and whatnot. That will help them whilst you. I mean reach out to do me on reach out to me. We need to make this. Yeah the homegirl with an athlete diet. Oh man i get you all. He paints amazing to keep you on keno. Die for the problem with that. Don't you did the fuck it up you so you can't fuck that diet up this new up one day and it takes to get back to get back on kito sa's diet i would pick because i think there are better ways you wouldn't i because the diet refers to it as something that you can't continue to do for the rest of your life so you're not gonna be able to say at that shape like i said no. I put my hat. My hat out there at many question thing wants to help them with their rations to get to the they need to get to know. However and yo- wisconsin happening mid pacman and the way he get pushed out the way to You know i agree. First of all he he's right. I saw this way. Oh you agree out the way. No no no. I'm saying i agree. That motherfucker does not look forty like he kept talking right when we met. And i'm like this workers not older than me. I know he's not he's like abroad. Sorta got twenty seven twenty eight when we first met. It's hard as well as far as kito though. I kind of disagree like i think if you're in a situation where you're trying to drop pounds fast like key does not something. You're right that you can sustain over long periods. But i do think it's something that you can utilize to help you get to a certain point and then and then from that point you kind of change it up all boosts hell. Nah bro you moos mayor way is better than fucking kito atkins atkins is lose. I was never a big fan of diets. Either i feel like you don't eat right away. You know what. I'm saying right and work out the diet because what happened is like you said if you mess up the diet you gotta start overman that you lose all that tire you put in. That's just crazy mccain bake it up you know trying to make up sleep doesn't have your workout regularly and if you cheat day like what he's saying that you could fuck up ketosis and then you get out of ketosis and you gotta get back into it. Yes but you know you can fuck up kito for a day. It doesn't at all those pounds back or it doesn't add loss. You know what. I'm saying like you can jump right back on it exactly. And it's good for muscle building. That's the thing like atkins's bullshit. I've seen people successfully lose weight off atkins and they just went doug funniest shit just bony ass shoulders. I mean just. They lost now ed muscles. I won't asking border wars when you taking all who you could take on. Eddie you can tell you. A supermax is actually a good fight. You supermax or you and santiago oscar and you've been wanting to get in in board awards may come on. Let's do it talking about cards. Let yo ito cool. Came back on a super bill hanging really. Looks like andre bishop from fight night. I i mean i'm going to have to see one de look more like andre if i remember what andre bishop looks like which i don't like i have a vague familiarity with what he looked like old to lids slow gidgets and rang. I forget daily. Will adam i. I can see why he you likely. Oh yeah man you know you know. We've seen him on on how you who is my unit on me on my question. What i'm talking to dial down to five now. May i give. People smokes out and handing him over so hollow. Twenty me unique. Yeah i'll go. i'll go to quit and not negative just she. That could possibly rehabbed. That's why but day everybody you know what i brought them. Yeah and that's what i'm saying. You'd silent devon the one belt chan so fight a fourteen in no fighter. The honestly i'm being a hundred percent is the same show. Like i found out about michael williams last week. He he did a real heart social media push on a whole him versus devin haney. Somehow i made it to my time line. I start filing and is just a coincidence. The bills on show so Yeah you know you. Wouldn't you would laugh at a dude. The super chatted I don't even know a welterweight who's ford and no like you know. And that's what i'm saying. We gotta be fair man. Let's just be out a lot. Joost bowed utilize right. Let me see. Unless madonna got my gym but we'll will go back to last ball but Yeah just want this in store man might be a little loud but Yeah i just. I want to look forward to going to do. I think i think he like bill. Say he he destined to do big things at one forty and saying him Reached one forty seven. So i've just. I'm interested in box man and i think as fans we should just appreciate all these fighters you know we appreciate you know. I always get canal slag. But he's the number two pound for pound guy man gray skill. i just want appreciate boxer right now. Man this has been a. It's been a rough year man. We're going into your off all be thankful we got to see finding look at it. The guys that we like. Who didn't get a fight. This year to gary russell's some other big names hussein on the sideline. Oh just appreciate box we appreciate your coming on here shooting the shit and i appreciate his patients with some of the trolls like jeffries and stuff like that so he hang overboard with it. So let's be appreciated man and sr On believe in christmas. But that's y'all give for me for For boxing man just to lead this shit on a high note for everybody man. We saw guys come back. Let's hope to dissolve make it showtime get it together. Let's hope is a porter Mando happened ledges. Let's be go into the new year with hopes of what's going to happen less push for matter of fact let speaking believer receiver. Whatever we we're gonna go into exist as we ain't even go into the excuses and none of that some gets labor Jimbo so i'm going to say this. It is not many s- for that The way is just not coming off as just you know i got my mom hair and obviously they only come over once a year. So yeah i mean It is my hope. I'm right back after the after they leave. Which is the third But yeah man I haven't gain too much. Weight is just what i wanted to be at the at a specific weight in by march But looks like that's not going to happen. And then yes i. I need to reach out to you a week and chop it up about Dr that is still in the works. I know i haven't had a chance to really speak to you about that but yeah Let's talk about that shot. Talia have merry christmas vows again. All right likewise brother likewise that is everyone on us. Gt who instagram. Actually think jay mag might as well just double check right jay mayo unless you you you come first call i lost. I know i got nothing but like i say sheltered interviews. I was very impressed interviews. They vary. Tom was still entertain at the same time on Shout out to the show. I got much today. boxing. Expert with the supachai's says jay. Mac and cyp should form a girl scout club with group. Hugs for the bud. D d kitty fans but but the like it's like and but i guess they went for that one box an expert you went for that one. Miss the pvc. We didn't go to home. Oli shit. Mr dot com believing with shopping horse. I don't care what bucket the great mr see. Baby now you goodness i just dumped on just now getting my break since six in the morning is doing he dipped off Shot out everybody on the on the panel That was a good interview with bill. Haney i like. I like pacific lee Specifically your question s Become a free agent stick with his own like another day but still make your own moves. I liked that move for him I can't wait to see. Who wins. The ryan garcia luke amplify and then hopefully like a bill haney said any harm totem. You'll get that necks. He told him he should have got a blank piece of paper. And like eddie does and got a signature you know. What else did you guys talk about. Today we were talking about female fifteen pound. Evan haney would be good. I would like to see but asking for ten million. Let me get my boomerang back. Toback aspirin tim millions crazy. You know How he ran up on eight hundred was pretty pretty against I liked island played. Him was pretty funny. Oh no i'll. I'll tell you how he ran up on them but what about him. I didn't really listen to it. Too loud. I got off to watch it back together. Yeah we could. We can also condello fighting for instance. I'll just choice. Billy's when you win the franchise record beyond dispute hurt him. Yeah yeah. I like it but It seems like he just made a little stunt move for the money for the fame I'm pretty sure he knew he's not going to get. And i would like to see it. I really think devon haney we'll give tiff problems But then again. I never seen david hanney get hit swollen by someone really with some power Shutout void For being so great. That's my favorite boxer Shouted canelo for keeping you know his family. Legacy up mike. He has a lot of brothers. That are boxes. I looked it up. And they're built like him. I mean so you can't really it's a lot of young s. Say he got another call in. Lv slugger say he. He never got his car. I went to lv angry as they both was busy. So they i thought greatness did komo no negative okay so then neither of them got the greatness that he's there and ready lbj he's ready greatness. What you sound a little offended. That i was busy man. I just don't want to ever be like a guy. I went to both the on on. I i take it like that man. I'm having a nice projected morning I'm over here on fordham right now. Mahindra and a couple of things. But i'm going to shout outs at demi devin. What's out academic and shut off the bill. He shut offs to. Eddie hearn For that clarity. But for the wtc franchise though you know so already we had a representative from wbz. Already said that the franchises are choking. We got eddie her. Go back and forth the team with that. That was a real good clarity for meat. And as far as health you shut off to everybody. He in good man keeping in good. Stay in bright drink water and remember man diet. Got the words guy trying to stop you know. So yo- we go keep striving for greatness march thirteenth man. I mean he doing what you supposed to do. I mean better be working. You sound like you were ever day saying he's l. tv. What they know the podcasts or matt. Great great show great interview. Mango bill always come on the show. Give us some great information. Green energy shut up on that good. So in a about devon devon mafia-like. He going to be one of them. I still got being. Cto's you know. I really gonna be like his whole division right now. You know what i'm saying. His boxing skill main is updating. So i'm not really too but the pillow fights and stuff you know what i'm saying like people government. They can bow a fight. You just coming shoulder like that. You probably could have got got a lot of different one for that. What i'm saying. But i do feel like going to be one of the big stars and boxing him and insecure. Steve's and i think that's gonna be a were to wait fight in the future man there's going gonna be on the level of a bird and expense man so you know. They already good at promoting. They sailed now so when they get up today after being shot up doing great show. Great in you. You know. highly moco Well that's everybody is it. That's it is all over knows. 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