17 Episode results for "Tom Ingles"
Monitor Show 22:00 07-13-2020 22:00
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Coronapod: Lessons from pandemic war-game simulations
"Welcome to corona pulled. In this show, we're going to bring you nature's take on the latest covid nineteen developments. And we'll be speaking to experts around the world about research during the pandemic. I really don't know how this plays out. We also don't know a ton about this. Virus so there's so many open questions, I just have a really hard time. Making predictions that has I don't know how the outbreaks going to change. Welcome to episode sixteen of Corona Port, I'm Benjamin. Thompson hero again in the south London basement, and once more joined by Noel. Baker Amy Maximun high both. Hello Ben Royat the penultimate episode then we're almost there in terms of corona part. Almost that you know although I, think is important to mention corona in its current form, so we will continue doing something akin to current opponent in the regular show that people can listen to. We might even tell you exactly where in the show starts if corona pot is the only that you won so that you can skip ahead to that bet. Ya. That's right now. BE COMING UP IN A couple of weeks last week. We told you the listeners that we're doing a survey to get your thoughts and your feedback on this sort of current incarnation of grown apart on I'll have to say. Thank you so much to everyone who who took the time to fill that in and said Nice things orbison constructive feedback. We're GONNA leave that server open for another week and I'll put a link to it in the show notes which you'll find. On Your podcast APP or a Mitch Dot com slash podcast. Yeah, Amy I don't know if you know this, but there has been a lot of responses to that survey. An awful lot of love for a certain reporter could amy. Maxon has been coming through on those. Stocks, that's so exciting. This is like my first actual kind of podcast. Mean you've talked with me before, but not very much. In fact we have had a lot of direct requests to quote us. Amy Maximum more on the PODCAST. That's pretty awesome. It's really fun for me I. Love It I actually what to talk about this a little bit more, but I'm going to save it because responses to this The my one good thing this week. Well. That's great will a little bit of foreshadowing of what's coming late to their now for the time being? Let's talk about something. You've been looking at this week. A man and that simulations and people turned to prepare for pandemics, so there's a whole field of researchers we can call them. Biosecurity experts who are confident that pandemic will eventually common that it's disastrous and they feel you know this isn't the same category as military risk. Risk where we want to prepare the country for a war, so therefore we do everything in our power to be ready on the defense and on the offense, and so this country of researchers, saying the early two thousands. They were thinking okay. You know we do see these events happening. You know HIV just spilled over and other things. Due to what can we do to make sure that the US is ready, and also what we? We, you'd make sure the world's is ready. In various countries had versions of this what we're talking about today. That's functionally different from what we've talked about a lot so far in current about so we've talked a lot about scientists who muddle outbreaks to try to inform public health responses. These mutations aren't really about that. I wanted amy. If you could just like, lay out. What do we mean by one of these simulation like what? What functionally happens? Yes, so what happens is they coordinate say let's say one hundred people in a room for maybe two days and try and get a good mix of people, so it's going to be people in government and officials and advocacy groups, businesses, big businesses, you know foundations, research funders researchers that'd be eligible in a group, and it'll begin with a newscaster something that's like it began in healthy looking pigs months perhaps years ago. A new corona virus spread silently within herbs, so they here kind of the beginning gradually farmers started getting sick and you know they have a chance to break out and discuss what's going to happen or how they're going to respond thickest required intensive care many. You know different groups are going to be interested in different things you know somebody from the airlines going to be interested in you know listen. We don't want to interrupt our travel right away and then kind of new information given. International travel has turned local epidemic into a pandemic spanning. The Globe is kind of like a fire alarm so that you figure out? Oh, I really know where the stairs are, so it's it's a chance to kind of test the system and see what people aren't so fast at what they don't know, and it's also a way of spotting problems as they arise, and then the other thing these should do is kind of freak people out. If you get the right people in the audience, these participants who are sort of watching this play by play happen. They should be very worried at the end, and hopefully that worry starts translating into. Into, policies or actions that are also funded in order to do things that prevent those problems that came up during the simulation. I have to say amy that what I started reading, so you sent us a draft of your feature that you've been writing. I started reading through. It was like a proper proper page Turner for me. There's just getting all the stuff that's being done. I must admit to being almost totally naive to this entire field of research, the only hint that these kinds of sort of war games and preparedness sort of setups happened for public health is actually from a fictional TV program coupons recreation, which is opposite will. Genuinely, that was just like a funny thing. They invented for that, but it's not. It's a real serious thing that's done in the states on all over the world. Yeah, that's so funny! I haven't seen that episode yet. Yeah, you know it's not totally shocking that you don't know about it. Because actually this field via security is pretty small. You know it seems like when I'm reporting it. Lots of people name the same people that I should speak with. It's not a gigantic field, but they. They have run these simulations with some regularity. Maybe the news hasn't reported on it, but also. I'm not sure if so much of what they found has been taken forward and I. Guess That's something we can talk about in my piece. You might have seen I started with this event to a one. What does not name event to a one? That sort of liat take that one to start within the story I? Don't know if you're being sarcastic. When he said it was sexy but I. Oh it is. It is when you find out. Why so the reason? Why is that the people behind it? These biosecurity people who are behind it. They were kind of led by John Hopkins Center for Health Security in the World Economic, Forum and the Gates Foundation, but basically the idea is there's about an average of two hundred outbreaks per year these zoning outbreaks coming from nature. This is sort of. Of a rough average right now, it's not all novel. Some of them are ones. We know about event to Wanna saying there's going to be one of these. That's going to be the big one so event to a one is named after that and in event to a one, so this was held in New York City October two thousand nineteen, so actually just last October, and that one actually was. Was Corona virus, so it's a novel Corona Virus. It emerges in Brazil. Bats are the reservoir, and from bats and moves into pigs, and then it moves into farmers and farmers carry the virus to Mega City in Brazil where there's an international airport and there we find out later that there's travelers who had traveled with the virus to the US Portugal to China and with an eighteen months this corona. Corona virus has spread around the world with sixty five million people are dead in the global economy is in free fall. When this was being played out other decisions, the the people that are making the did that influence how the outbreak continues until that's a great question and to be totally. I'm not totally sure if what they say influences the trajectory of the simulation that of course has been planned. Planned in advance, but they kind of are breaks where they get to discuss things like for example, I hear it comes up and everything else. Simulation that there's big pushes for travel. Bans are like the main thing everybody wants to do, but you know. The biosecurity field has like it enough. Outbreaks to realize like for respiratory pathogens, especially travel bans tend to not be fully effective. They also are debated. Debated because there's so many economic consequences things like that, but then also we know it's not a full block, so maybe the decision will be all right. Let's have a travel ban, and then they'll say newscasts. Guess what the travel ban didn't fully protect you from this outbreak. It's still spreading in your country. It's really a bit eerie to hear about. Events won an simulation 'cause you know right now. Now we have a current of ours and novel coronavirus that was zoonotic arrived, and then spread quickly, and with six months in, and we're looking at half a million people have died, and this is eighteen months and sixty five million people have died it. You can't help, but sort of like morbidly see a path where you know our current real life. Outbreak could continue to mimic what happened in the. The simulated event to a one outbreak. Whilst we're in the middle of this outbreak right now, it makes me think think okay. Cool, so surely given that we've simulated something that seems early like what's happening now. If not on a broader scale, everyone's GonNa be paying a lot of attention to that simulated outbreak. Where this is a little been planned, and you know those things that happened in that. Are Happening now, but that's already what's happened in the real life. People have them really paid attention to what happened in simulated up. No I don't think they have a talking with the people of this field. They're having a lot of sort of moments of recognizing tangles be at John Hopkins. Somebody, who's led a number of these simulations and one thing he was telling me. Was You know it was very frustrating to kind of know certain things, and it's not just from the simulations. Of course there simulations are informed by how much they've studied past outbreak. So you know he knows very well that with anybody actually who's really looked at outbreak closely. They move so quickly that if you're not super. Super, fast! You're really in trouble so in late January. He wrote this extremely long twenty seven part twitter thread. That's like here's a list of actions. We need to take right now. And this was back when the US was talking about travel bans, I think that's one of the really interesting things with the benefit of hindsight, people can say obviously, that was a silly thing to do at the time that people like Tom Ingles be. They predicted these things along time in the past. In fact, we have a recording of him saying this when you interviewed him. I wrote an article affairs great at the end of January saying we need to start preparing for. Pandemic even though it was in China quote, unquote at the time was clear that we need to start preparing hospitals for need to start barrier public health systems Weiner ramp vaccines seen tie it. We need to get our. Diagnostics together. We need to figure out what we're going to do. About international travel because talking come crashing down and the reason why we need to go through that live. Because we've gone through this with been you know exercises many times. I think it helps us at and exercises helps others. Basically became to feed. The dominoes that will all domino's folding is such a good analogy that will metaphor there I think for for what we then saw happen immediately after that moment in January where he spoke out. Yeah, given these wargame light scenarios have been done for a long period of time, and they there to sort of plan for what might happen. I'm kind of interested to know. How accurate was it seemed of suggestions on the advice that come out of those simulations Do they help? Come up with potential bottlenecks problems things that we could have acted on. You know if people listened would have helped as the question I'm I guess I'm asking? As far as the advice goes? Yes, I, think the. The advice that the people in this field were giving has been pretty solid I would say if that was heated. It would have been great. You know a lot of times kind of just disc coordination shows up like who's leading this. And that was a big one that came up and a lot of the simulations in the US there was a simulation last year called Crimson contagion, and that one also pointed out who has the authority to lead a pandemic response, and for something like that I don't really see strong signs that that was really taken forward because some of the relations afterwards, the recommendations are we need to strengthen our public health systems strengthening coordination between public health departments in. In states and federal and I don't know of any signs, and neither to my sources of that really being taken forward in a way that was really serious. In fact, we know that public health departments have actually been defended over the years, and the CDC has been stable or had a lack of funding. Okay, a fair few bits of advice that don't seem to be heated, but is there anything that is listened to? You know there's always people are always like. Where's the vaccine? That happens every simulation, so they always kind of end with a lot of discussion about we either need to stockpile vaccines cause the simulation I. Sometimes, the simulations were bioterrorists events where somebody introduces something we already. Already know like an influenza or a smallpox virus, and so in those cases it would be like we need to stockpile the vaccines. We have our think. Programs accelerate our influenza vaccine machinery. That's been taken forward pretty much. Think every time these come out. There was times when we stockpiled smallpox vaccines in anthrax vaccine's most recently this year. President Trump announced a program to accelerate and refine influenza vaccines, so that part does seem like it was sort of taken up a little bit more, but sort of the middle game I like that phrase, one of the people I spoke with Jeremy Candidate from the center of Global Development, he. He mentioned this Middle Game. He felt like that was always neglected. Simulations, there's the point of containment where you WANNA. Make sure that the virus if it gets into your country that you kind of clamped on really fast, you test people you get it down really quickly like some countries have done in this case, so that's the best first game you WanNa make sure you've got your systems up and ready for that. And then there's the end game which is the vaccine, but that Middle Game? What do you do when there's just so many cases that actually it's really hard, and he said that's all a matter of scale. That's like. Can you get enough diagnostic tests? Can you get enough contact tracers? You have enough places for quarantine. Felt like that. Middle Games always been really neglected, so it would come out in the simulations, but nobody really did much with it. You know you're talking a lot here about simulations done in the US. And then there is this criticism of the mid game as you say there, but what about other countries but Jimmy, they're doing these simulations to an hour. They actually taking any concrete steps to avoid some of. Of those criticisms, so I have to admit that I don't have been less time, and this could be a very long, so I didn't look at every country. However, I did. Look at a few things one is there's been some international level simulations that bring together global bodies like at the Road Economic Forum Dave run a number of simulations, everyone at Davos and those have looked at what is global coordination like? Like like what happens. When every country vying for the same supplies and what happens when you need to have a vaccine, the whole world can use so that's come out and some of these big simulated. There was a couple of them in two thousand seventeen. Some of those things again were sort of taken for to not just because of the simulation sausage discussion around this, so for example there was the coalition. Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Initiative Sepe. You know it coincided with the simulations, but it was also sort of the Zeitgeist of the time. This was just after a bola and everybody said Oh. My Gosh, if this much havoc can be created by an epidemic, that's just in these three small countries that don't have a ton of international travel in sub Saharan Africa. What are we going to do in a pandemic so? That was sort of taken forward a little bit. There was other networks kind of start up. Can we have more partnerships between countries? But the person I spoke with about this was just saying you know the the networks. They were working on kind of in retrospect, just saying they were not commiserate what we need right now. The other thing that another researcher brought up was the case of Taiwan. They ran at least one simulation that was like all hands. Hands on deck different parts of the government and they had a system for what exactly where they were going to do, and they practice this very seriously every single year, so when this outbreak was escalating in China Taiwan, took it really seriously. You know they're right there. There's obviously tons of travel between the places between mainland. China and Taiwan and they've been practicing these systems for seventeen years so as soon as it happened, everything kicked in and they've had. had only deaths from Cova to date, which is incredible, especially thinking about their proximity to where this all started this, we've talked about full disclosure. I'm about to do a little bit of speculation, but it's something that really stands out to me whenever I think about this sort of thing, so you know Taiwan Hong Kong China Singapore have done amazing jobs of containing this week, which originated so close to them. I wanted things that lots of people are said. said. Set on this podcast before I've said on this before is that they have this very real memory of saws in the head, and that it would make sense that that would be something that's very present in everyone's minds, and that's why they might take this very seriously very quickly. One thing that he said right at the beginning of this is the part of the point of these simulations to get influential people into a room and scare them right. Head realize how bad this could be. These simulations not scary enough because it doesn't seem like these people are scared, but you know if you kind of look at this, maybe anecdotes evidence, the countries Asia that have recent memory of sales in the head on countries in you know Western Southern Africa. Who have the bowler ringing in in there is they took it real seriously real quickly and they've had better outcomes. East Asia. There's been much better outcomes. Maybe these simulations needs to be a hell of a lot scarier. I wonder I talked about that. With Tom Ingles be, and he felt like at every simulation. Everybody in the room was really shaken. So what I've heard is, there might be two problems one who is in the room, so the President World Economic Forum I spoke with he was realizing that. That the people who he was talking with who are making these plans. Maybe there are people who were in charge of supply chain or something, but they weren't the CEO's of the company. In retrospect, he's thinking. They might have been the top managers for what they're doing, but the CEO might be listening to someone else so in the end. It's one who's in the room during the simulations. And another thing is if you are a politician and you're governor the president you want to get elected again and a lot of people, and this is what Tom Ingles me was saying. A lot of people might think they can go ahead and you know have their four years without a pandemic on their watch. No one's GONNA see simulations. No one's GONNA. See your public health systems strengthening. That's in the background. You might be more likely to win votes. If you're going to do things that people see you know. Reduce taxes build roads that kind of thing. This is sort of invisible work until it really really really matters, and if you're rolling the dice, you might get by without one. I mean it's interesting. Annual feature you mentioned the though is something called. The Global Health Security Index that was published last year, and it rated one hundred ninety five countries around the world for how prepared they would be to prevent detective. Respond to an outbreak. And all those countries, although none of them did particularly well as far as I can see from your reporting, the US was ramp ranked number one and the UK was ranked number two now if you look at our actual responses in the UK and the US I don't think by any metric, you could argue that the two of us have ranked number one and number two in terms of managing these outbreaks, so it begs the. The question of just because we might have some preparedness there, we might have the resources and the ability. There's something else that is getting. In the way there is preventing that successful responds, and this gets into blind spots, so there were some things that people have been truly surprised by the response in the magnitude of the outbreaks in the US and the UK has been really surprising to a lot of people and I think. Think. This would be written about rural along time, but one of them is certainly you know what to say about leadership in the Global Health Security Index, they have one metric relates to how corrupt government is because there are measures for that, but they never kind of accounted for what if you have a leadership that is actually working contrary to the public health response, and we know that we've had leaders now that contradict public. Public, health advice, and there's a lot of signs that president trump has also suppressed the CDC. The CDC's being very very quiet. During this outbreak and Tom's Fredin, who was the former director the CDC. He said that a direct result of the trump administration. That's something that they didn't account for and their models. Everybody is worried when there's an outbreak in. Everyone's doing what they can. There's all sorts of problems, but they weren't expecting. Than the US had this big problem with testing right where we were way behind on tests in join external evaluation in the Global Index. They look at the US immense laboratory capacity. They look at our private sector thriving private sector. Tons of capacity make diagnostics. They look at a various networks we have. We have societies that connect public health laboratories, and they said the US is going to be fine when it comes to detecting a novel pathogen, and that turned out to be just wrong. We're slow. We're. We're really really slow. Bob's that speaks to some of the things that you've mentioned previously on Corona pods, so the stumbling blocks like having to have hospital computer systems that properly Mesh you know. Those were the weird stumbling blocks to earn the way that perhaps wouldn't have taken into account when these metrics are being made right, we've been talking a lot about simulations here and it seems that the people who have been running these are acutely aware of some of these issues and some of these dominoes the. Worst of all and seemed to have fallen I mean. Did you get the sentiment that they're really frustrated all of their work. suggests. This is what you should do and other countries have done simulations, and this is what they have done, and it's worked. What did you get a sense from them? About about their feelings about it all? Yeah, it's so funny. I don't know I think other people who are journalists will relate to this you know I talked to scientists and often spell things how very carefully and sometimes I'll be like. How do you feel in the? Intellectual answer and I'll be like yeah, but how do you feel about this and yeah, they don't feel good. They feel bad. Of course they're still trying. They still want to do something you know. John Hopkins is trying to put out helpful databases for showing information to the public, and also can we help provide instruction for county health departments and public health departments in states that aren't sure what to do. Can we coordinate that that they're you know they're still trying, but yeah, it's. It's a moment of reckoning to be sure. Of Availability of data right now and sort of moving forward. Does that mean that we don't need to run a new simulations again because we are kind of live in the reality of it right now? Yeah exactly I think that's what I heard across. The board is well. We're not going to have to run a simulation for a while because you know first of all the whole impetus for making people worried. Hopefully, that's there and then there's these kinds of exercises after the event where you can really just sort of go back and look at all of these pieces. All of those dominoes that fell and sort of look. What happened why? Why it happened how it could have happened differently I'm GONNA goes back to Noah, said several times, and I think it's worth saying all is taken is a global pandemic with over ten million people infected and thousands of people die to sort out so frustrating for what it's worth in the parks and recreation episode when they do that pandemic preparedness, Leslie. KNIPE is fullest the end to deliberately tank, the entire city halls ever to die. So that she can get away to get to a fundraising gala. This really needs to get to that. I wouldn't recommend that these very serious and important exercises that being carried out. That's funny so literally the discussion for the time being Tamila let's move on to one good thing where we take a look back over the past seven days, or so at a things that have made a smile I suppose you'd like to go first this week. I if it's possible like to jump in I partially, because I have already previewed. My one good thing is and so I'm sure listeners are on the edge of their seat to hear it. But I want to come back and say the survey. A lot of people have written, and that means an awful lot to us at the nature poker steam partially because it allows us to learn how to grow in the future, which is brilliant, but also because to be honest. This was a bit of an experiment for us. It's been recorded from a makeshift studios across multiple different countries, and it's really nice still here. When people enjoyed what we did or they were pleased by what we did you know it's. It's validating just personally for me. Validating to hip people reluctant I one thing that a lot. Lot of people said they liked this segment so I thought it was important that we have a one good thing this week, and also I want to personally apologize. We did not have a one good thing. Last week there were some technical problems. We actually did have one good thing last week, but we had to cut it from the show. I had to cut it from the show when I was editing it because the audio when all schedule and horrible and you wouldn't be not Herod was and so I don't know whether on. Amy Has a one good thing from last week that she said. Again, but it was a really good thing and I would encourage you to pick it up again because it's a really good thing and we missed it last week. Because of audio glitches well, I also am super excited that you've got positive feedback. That's really nice to hear. I love it. That's that's very encouraging, but yes, the big picture more important big thing. Thing, from last week the Ebola outbreak in northeastern, DRC was declared over finally it had begun August, two, thousand eighteen, or at least that's one. It officially began in an infected, almost thirty five hundred people, and it killed sixty six percent of them, so a large number, and it was I don't know it's called like the most complicated outbreak yet because it. It was in this area tad twenty five years of ongoing horrible, horrible conflict and political instability, so it was really difficult, actually went there this time last year with the director general of the World Health. Organization, and it was incredibly difficult situation and I saw incredibly dedicated people like got to speak with some of them when I wrote a quick piece for nature. Nature about the end of this outbreak, and so they're extremely happy to at least have seen their hard work pays off and sort of bitter sweet, because they've quickly moved onto another Ebola outbreak that's been declared in the west of DRC, or they've moved onto the covert response most of them to the Kobe response, but it is great to see this end. Good news all around I'm going to bring it home then. With another flipping example I was set myself this. Bring something. Then I come in with something absolutely. Nonsensical I'm I'm not sure this is a good thing, but it's a regular thing so here in the U K then we marked not honest. Celebrates it going. That's the right word, but we remarked one hundred days of lockdown last week and a good friend of mine. He owns a baffling amounts of t shirts over three hundred and every day during the lockdown. He's been wearing a t shirt, and now he's been instagram at once a day and it's just. It's just a nice anchor point in the morning, so on the hundred day of lockdown. He wore out of town, able to picture of Yogi Berra ties that was his his effort there and I look this morning, and it was all about the pop band perfume so I think they're variable quality i. I hope that we can. We can stop this game soon, but I love that he's doing it. One hundred t shirts three hundred three hundred t shirts. Have about. Six. I. Don't know just. Okay, the listeners won't be able to see, but Amy Alien Ben Can the better wearing more or less, the same t shirt today, which happens, it's one of those like joke. Prison shirts. Not Joe. You know like if you're cartoon character from the nineteen twenties. That's what you guys Bretagne. Talk is the official classy distinction. I'll help you know this is. This is very much a breadth on that day. Well, let's let's leave it there then this week. Thank you so much for chatting as always and I'll see you next week for the final version in this current guys of Corona. Thanks both thank give thanks, amy things been. More from northern amy next week. Look out for that feature on pandemic simulations which use code written with our colleague Jeff Tollackson over. It makes com slash news. I'm next on this week. Show. We've got a quick roundup of some of the corona virus research that's been published around the world the past few weeks. Open links to all of them in the show notes that you can find in your chosen podcast up or over national KOMO's slash podcast. First off in this round up is a pair of papers published in the Journal cell. Two teams have developed a shortcut to generate covid nineteen mouse models using a harmless virus to make the mice susceptible to infection. The SOS covy to virus invades human cells by attaching to receptors on the cell surface, including one called AC, too. But mice have a different version of AC two, which makes them impervious to saws Kobe to infection and so pretty useless for studying the virus. Now there are transgenic mice that carry the human version of AC to. These mice are susceptible to infection, but they're also scares. To develop a more widely available mouse model teams in the USA and China used pomace Edina, viruses a workhorse of gene therapy to deliver the human AC two gene to the lung cells of mice. Then the mice were exposed to Saas v two, and showed signs of infection, losing weight and developing new Monja. The illness could then be used to test therapeutics including antibodies and an experimental vaccine. Mixed up over full two percent of COVID patients in two new studies showed no symptoms of the virus. According to one of the teams, this could be an important source of transmission. Early in the global, covid nineteen outbreak Vietnam began to repeatedly test people at high risk of infection, including those without symptoms. A team of researchers monitored thirty individuals who are found to be infected. Their results published in the Journal Clinical Infectious Diseases revealed that thirteen of these people develop no symptoms. The research team say it's highly likely that two of the symptomatic individuals with the source of infection for at least two people despite nasal swab showing, they had lower levels of viral rene that infected people who felt ill. A similar story was seen in. Research is carried out testing of the citizens in the lock downtown of. They found that just over forty percent of those who are positive for the virus, showed no symptoms at times testing and didn't go on to develop them afterwards. This work was published in nature. Research published on the pre print server meadow archive suggest that when it comes to testing frequency matters more than sensitivity. A team from the Harvard. School of Public Health modeled testing strategies to workout, which would be most effective in communities such as universities where covid nineteen cases could quickly spiral out of control. They found that regularly. Testing large numbers of people is a powerful way to control spread, even if that means using a relatively insensitive test. The most accurate tests are based on. But they are expensive and slow to return results, which is not ideal for surveillance testing. The authors showed that weekly surveillance testing paired with case isolation limited an outbreak. Even if the testing method used is not super-sensitive. By contrast, only testing every two weeks allowed the total number of infections to climb almost as high as if there was no testing toll. These findings have not yet been peer reviewed. That's it for this roundup of the latest coronavirus research output links to all of these papers in the show. And that's also for this week's edition of Corona. Pot, as we talk about the start of the show. If you've got a couple of minutes, spare, confirm our survey. That would be amazing. Listener for Corona Rhodesian the regulates put cost on Wednesday, and we'll see you back here in seven days for the final edition of his incarnation of. I've been Benjamin Thompson. Thanks for listening stay safe.
April 27, 2020: New York outlines plan for reopening
"Good Morning I'm Taylor Wilson and this is five things you need to know Monday. The twenty seven th of April twenty twenty here are some of the top headlines. Jameis Winston is heading across the NFC south to a new team. He's now a New Orleans. St. Drive by shooters reportedly sprayed duck dynasty stars. House with bullets and native Americans have been disproportionately hit by corona virus. A reminder if you're not already check us out on twitter at USA Today podcast there. You can keep up with all the latest from across our audio network including five things and you can chat with other listeners about the hottest topics of the day. Join the conversation at USA Today. Podcast now on the show the US outbreak of cove in nineteen has reached a plateau. But Tom Ingles be director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health. Security told Fox News on Sunday that he was skeptical of Vice President. Mike Pence is claims that the US would largely have the epidemic behind them by Memorial Day. He said quote wherever we are in the epidemic. The virus is going to be with us until we have a vaccine on quote. There is good news out of the. Us epicenter New York state which had its lowest one day death toll in weeks at three hundred sixty seven governor. Andrew Cuomo said. The state is beginning to consider a multi phase plan to reopen phase one of reopening will involve construction construction and manufacturing activities and within construction manufacturing those businesses. That have a low risk right. There is a range of construction activities. This a range of manufacturing activities but those businesses that PLO pose a low risk within them face to would then be more a business by business analysis using the Matrix that we've discussed. How Essential A- service does that business provide. And how is that business? Cuomo added that events would not be allowed that brought large numbers of visitors from other areas and he said reopening efforts would involve multiple states. Some states began reopening over the weekend including Georgia. But mayors of two of the largest cities they're Atlanta and Savannah were still urging residents to stay home and many businesses refused open. Meanwhile the CDC has added a number of symptoms for corona virus they include things like shaking with chills and loss of taste in. Wuhan the believed origin of the virus outbreak. The last patient with cove in nineteen left the hospital on Friday who bay province now has fewer than fifty cases of the virus. According to the state run Shinwa News Agency and China. On the whole seeing very few new cases there have now been more than three million confirmed cases of corona virus around the world and more than two hundred six thousand deaths. British prime minister. Boris Johnson is back at work after his bout with Corona Virus Johnson had a serious fight including a stint in intensive care where he was given oxygen and watched around. The clock thanked healthcare workers after his release and applauded the British people for their social distancing the HS has saved my life no question. It's hard to find words to express my debt. But before I come to that I want to thank everyone in the entire U K for the effort and the sacrifice you of made and are making when sun is out and the kids are home when the whole natural world seems that it's loveliest in the outdoors is so inviting. I get any imagine how tough it has been to follow the rules on social distancing but Johnson and his government have also faced growing criticism for not acting quickly enough to contain the virus spread nearly twenty one thousand people have died across the UK from Kovic nineteen to Wayne. Men's basketball player to Sean hightower has been arrested and charged with murder. Two Lane also said he's been dismissed from the team. Hightower was the green wave's leading scorer last season and previously spent two seasons at the University of Georgia. He's charged with felony murder aggravated assault. Possession of a firearm. During the Commission of Felony and battery hightower was one of six men wanted in connection with the investigation he declared for the NBA draft earlier this month. The Corona Virus Pandemic has put a stop to the majority of television and film production around the US and that includes an almost unheard of pause for some long running soap operas to fill the void. Cbs Stroz the young and the restless and the bold and the beautiful will bring out some nostalgia. There in classic episodes as far back as nineteen ninety beginning on Monday and stars will offer up. Bonus commentary to start and end some episodes. Cbs WE'LL also air. A pair of making of documentaries filmed on location. In Monaco. The last dance continues to grab sports fans hearts during the pandemic and air to new episodes on Sunday night. You get on the same row with his team. I'm Jerry was a ten part documentary. Series follows Michael Jordan Manage Chicago Bulls as they work toward their sixth and final championship in the Nineteen Ninety S. Sundays show included stories of Dennis Rodman's forty-eight hours in Las Vegas beef between the Bulls and the bad boy Detroit Pistons and an iconic Jordan playoff shot to recap USA Today Sports Mackenzie Salman and former NBA. All Star and Bull B J Armstrong. We'll have you covered with the after party. Bj talked last week about the cultural impact of the nineties bowls. I was actually the one kid who had an opportunity and I was humbled to be in that situation so I had no idea of the impact I was making. I had no idea that he was going to be going to be the greatest player. I knew he was really good. I didn't know he was going to be the greatest player. I had no idea that you know that the Jordan shoes were going to be this cultural phenomenon. If so I would've I would've made sure I would have got some of those shoes right. We just had no idea we were just all young. You can tune in to the after party every. Monday live at noon eastern on the USA. Today sports twitter account and on Youtube. Thanks for listening to five. Thanks a reminder. You can subscribe for free and rate us in review on Apple podcasts. You can also catch US wherever you get your audio. Thanks as always declare Thornton for her work on the show five things is part of the USA. Today podcast network.
11.23.20 Legal Docket, Moneybeat, and History Book
"The world and everything in it is made possible by listeners. Like us hi. My name is ilene. Martin and i live in eureka. California all of the beautiful supply redwoods. I enjoy listening to the world and everything in each day during my morning walks. I hope you enjoyed the program. Good morning the supreme court considers juvenile sentencing and the ultimate question of redemption. You want to take the course of this country into very deep on psychological wars. That's ahead today on legal docket also the monday money beat a temporary government program. That's actually temporary. Plus the world history book twenty-five years ago a computer animated movie changed filmmaking toward the real buzz. Like your your ass. It's monday november twenty third. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm mary record. And i'm nick eicher. Good morning time now for the news. Here's covington president. Trump's campaign continues to press courtroom battle over election results in several states. The president and other plaintiffs are appealing. A federal judges decision to toss out the campaign's case seeking to block pennsylvania from certifying its votes trump lawyer. Dana ellis said that the campaign did not get a chance to fully present witness testimony in court. We have to appeal. And we have to go through that whole process before ultimately supreme court could overturn that. And then we would get an evidentiary hearing. Us district court judge matthew brand wrote in his order that in his view trump asked the court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters and with the judge's ruling pennsylvania republican senator pat toomey said. It's time to congratulate. Joe biden on his victory and for president trump to quote accept the outcome of the election. North dakota gop senator. Kevin kramer said. He's still fully supports trump's right to exhaust all legal options. But frankly do think it's time to well time to start a transition to at least cooperate with the transition. I'd rather have a president. That has more than one day to prepare former white house advisor chris christie and former trump national security adviser. Hr mcmaster are also among those calling on the president to work with biden's transition team. Health officials are renewing their warnings. This week about gathering with family and friends for thanksgiving top infectious disease expert. Dr anthony found. She said sunday that we won't see a huge spike of new cases or hospitalizations. During the thanksgiving holiday. You're not going to see an increase until weeks. Later things lag. So what you don't wanna see is another spike. In cases we get colder and colder into the december. And then you start dealing with the christmas holiday. We can really be a very difficult situation. If you are going to gather for the holiday officials say try to keep those gatherings as small as possible and try to spend more time indoors. Those warnings come. As cases continue to surge on saturday covid nineteen deaths topped two thousand and the united states for the first time since but the good news for americans is that a corona virus vaccine is likely just weeks away it may still be spring or summer before life returns to normal but the first americans to get vaccinated could receive their first of two doses by december eleventh drugmakers pfizer and madeira. Both have vaccines that appear to be safe. And effective the head of the trump administration's operation warp speed program. Dr monsef slough he told. Abc's this week. We know that these vaccines are highly effective. They are as safe in the short term as any other vaccine already approved slough. He said he is concerned. That politics have fuelled skepticism. Over the safety of the vaccines officials could not get guarantee their long-term safety but slough he said he believes the risks to be very low and he said he won't hesitate to receive either vaccine or for his children to receive it. Dr tom ingles be is director for health security of the johns hopkins bloomberg school of public health. He told fox news sunday. He is very optimistic about the vaccines. I wouldn't call good news. I will call this great news. it's fantastic. it's part of the best news. We've had since the start of the pandemic we have to vaccines that are making their way through the approval process. That may be as high as ninety five percent effective pfizer and moderna are both awaiting fda authorization in the meantime. The food and drug administration has given the green light for emergency. Use of covid nineteen therapeutic. The drug from biotech firm regeneron is the same one. President trump received after his diagnosis last month. The fda is allowing the antibody drug for high risk patients age twelve over the receive it as a one time treatment through an iv. The authorization allows doctors to start prescribing. It as studies continue to establish safety and effectiveness. The fda says results so far suggested can cut down on hospitalizations and severe illness. Regeneron is making three hundred thousand initial doses available through federal government program. President trump told world leader. Sunday that bowing out of the paris climate accord was the right move for america. I refused to surrender millions of american jobs and send trillions of dollars to the world's worst polluters at environmental offenders. And that's what would have happened in a video statement during the virtual g. twenty summit. He called the accord one sided and unfair to the united states and he said it was designed not to save the planet but to cripple the us economy. The president added that since pulling out of the agreement. The united states has reduced its carbon emissions while making america energy independent but joe biden says. Leaving the accord was a mistake and he plans to rejoin the global pact which the obama administration helped to forge five years ago. I'm kent covington and straight ahead to supreme court cases challenging the criminal justice system less katie. Gawltney on some history-making pioneers. This is the world and everything in it. it's monday morning. We are rolling up our sleeves for another week of the world and everything in it. Today is the twenty third of november twenty twenty. Good morning to you. I'm nick eicher. Mary record good morning to you. Quick reminder that we are keeping up for a while longer are served. If you'd like to add your voice to it pretty simple and not intrusive takes just a couple of minutes and helps a lot if you could do that today. We'd be grateful. 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The word give to the number two one eight three hundred twenty one twenty one and thank you so much for considering it well. It's time for legal docket. Today i have two oral arguments. The supreme court heard this month by telephone as per usual since may first up a dispute about juveniles convicted of murder and what sentenced courts can impose on them specifically whether courts have to make a determination of permanent encourage ability before handing down a life sentence without parole for an offender younger than age. Eighteen right. well let's set out. The facts of this case goes back to the year. Two thousand and four a teenager by the name of brett jones left his home in florida to live with his grandparents and mississippi. He'd had all he could endure a physical abuse from his step. Father and his mother was of no help to him either. She suffered from mental illness and drug abuse as well as physical abuse from her husband. This is the same man who was beating and choking fifteen year old brett brett jones himself was a troubled young person defiant and violent just three weeks after moving in with the grandparents. Jones got into a physical fight in the kitchen with his grandfather. Jones have been hiding a girlfriend in his bedroom. In his grandfather disapproved the confrontation escalated into pushing and punching jones. Then grabbed a knife and killed his grandfather. A jury found jones guilty of murder. He received life in prison without the possibility of parole today. Jones is thirty one years old and he serving out his sentence in the south mississippi correctional institution. Now there's a of history to this particular case we're leaving out in the interest of time but it's important to understand how the law has changed with regard to sentencing juveniles since jones's crime in two thousand four a year after that murder in two thousand and five. The supreme court ruled that the death penalty is unconstitutional for anyone younger than eighteen. Five years later the court barred sentences of life without parole for that age group except for murder in two thousand twelve. The court also struck down automatic life sentences without parole for minors who commit murder a few years later. The court made retroactive that decision for all juveniles serving mandatory life sentences so lots of changes in a short period of time and murkiness in the details but for jones. It meant now. He had the right to a new hearing to determine whether under the new rules his sentence passed constitutional muster jones's lawyer david shapiro argued. His client did not receive the proper sentencing. The judge needed to find. That jones is permanently incorrigible. Meaning not capable of being rehabilitated. Ever to show that he wasn't permanently incorrigible in any kind of meaningful way because the court had been told that it doesn't need to resolve that question against him in order to sentence him to life without parole. I absolutely believe that. Brad saw league is not permanently incorrigible. The his grandmother. The wife of the victim. testified on his behalf correctional officer spoke of his rehabilitation his extraordinary record in prison. How he is an incredible worker and tries to get along with everyone. Shapiro essentially argues. That child has capacity for change. That adults just don't have jones completed his. Ged learned trade behaved in prison. Therefore judges ought to consider this capacity for change while deciding whether someone is permanently incorrigible but defending mississippi sentencing process was state deputy solicitor general chrissy mississippi law like two other states explicitly says a judge need not find incorrigible court here. Consider the implications of age age related characteristics and the nature of the particularly brutal murder of furnish joan on the whole. The sentencing court. Disagreed that youth. And it's attended characteristics diminish the pena logical justification for life without parole punishment. You love me. Break off here and provide some definitions. You heard the phrase pena logical justifications and those include four one retribution which is punishment to deterrence which is aimed at other possible offenders to discourage them or deter them three incapacitation which is simply to remove a dangerous offender from contact with society that is to protect society from the offender and forth rehabilitation which is preparation of the offender for life. Outside incarceration the judge. Consider those factors as well. As jones's youth essentially finding incorrigible without saying it outright. At least that's the argument. Noble put forth but shapiro argued. That is just not enough. Supreme court precedent requires more Specific finding of in korge ability not just the assumption justice samuel alito seem. Skeptical was into this exchange with shapiro again for jones. If you have it in front of you could you just repeat the first sense of your presentations morning. Your honor i was settled law recognizes the scientific legal and moral truth most children. Even those who commit grievous crimes are capable of reduction This is fascinating. You want to take us. And you want us to take the course of this country into very deep theological and psychological water. Steve thing that there are any human beings who are not capable of redemption. Well your your think there are. Shapiro seem to stumble a tad here but said people do exist. Who cannot be rehabilitated. Back into society. Just lido fong it out. A lot of people who think of every human being is capable of redemption. There's a actually a famous quote by gandhi. Who says exactly that. There are a lot of christians who believe that you think of the good thief on the cross. So what the judge says you know. Wow the supreme court says i have to determine whether this person is capable of redemption. I believe that every human being is capable of redemption. What do you do that why you do shapiro. Replied is focused not on personal beliefs about redemption. But upon a judge looking at the person's capacity for rehabilitation that includes hearing evidence from before and after the crime in question chief justice. John roberts wondered about the nuts and bolts of that. Does jones want a mere statement on the record about incorrigible. Something more or something less shapiro answers and there are any number of ways that could be done. One is through words not magic words words but convey in substance. The idea that the defendant is permanently incorrigible going to commit more crimes going to reciprocate etcetera. Just as amy conybeare at wondered whether jones should have sued directly on eighth amendment cruel and unusual punishment grounds yet justice alito signaled. He thought the court may have stepped over its authority already. What would you say any members of this court who are concerned that we have now gotten light years away from the original meaning of the eighth amendment and who are welcome to go any further on this travel into space shapiro replied. It's no further travel at all to ask a trial court to decide whether a minor is permanently incorrigible and read court president to require that one thing is for certain the outcome of this case will affect hundreds of juveniles. Who face a lifetime in prison. Should jones win here. He'll still have a life sentence but he'd be given a chance to show. He is eligible for parole. When i saw what this final case today was about. I felt a lot like justice alito when he said this always a pleasure to have another case involving the armed career criminal act It is a real israel favorite. Yes the armed career criminal. Act aga it deals with repeat offenders you could say. The law is self is kind of a repeat offender at the supreme court. Awka puts a longer prison sentence on felons who repeatedly commit certain crimes and whom authorities find in possession of a gun charles borden. Junior had three prior felony convictions for aggravated assault. Then in two thousand seventeen. Police found him with a gun during a routine. Traffic stop in tennessee. Borden pleaded guilty to possession of a firearm as a felon the government through the audio book at him to add additional prison time given his three priors but board and argues. One of those prior. Convictions should not count against him because his mental state was not intentional. Reckless for sure but not intentional and that ought not qualify as a violent felony under office. Use of force clause one wrinkle to that later that same year in two thousand seventeen the sixth circuit ruled that reckless aggravated assault does qualify as a violent felony so now argues you cannot apply that new rule retroactively to him. You can get the flavor of the questions in this from justice steven brier to borden's lawyer. Oh we take. What i think is the best definition of iraq was the person's reckless when he consciously disregards a substantial and unjustified will risk the bad results will follow. So i have my baseball. I'm swinging around. I know i am the worst baseball player in history. I know that this baseball bat is likely to slip out of my hands and punk somebody on the head. There's a person standing in front of me. i think. Oh that person maybe hit. I don't want him to but he might be. Because i'm so bad. And then i swing it. And he's all right. What's the difference between that and my committing. A crime knowing that that result is likely to follow or desiring intentionally helplessly. It's like the all the hypotheticals were lion. What about texting and driving. What about waving your arms out about trying to shoot a hat off. Someone's very tall. Hairdo all trying to find that line between intentional and reckless. Also i frequently intend to make a prediction on how the court might rule. I have to say that to do so here. Might be well reckless. And that's this week's legal docket. Additional support comes from christian book dot com christian books bibles music toys and gifts at christian book dot com from dort university providing an education rooted in faith for engineers nurses social workers teachers more more at do are dt dot edu and from world helps christmas given cadillac's providing life changing gifts to people in need just fifty dollars provides clean water to one person for an entire year world. Help dot net slash podcast. Coming up next on the world and everything in it. The monday money be well. We are joined now by financial analyst and adviser david johnson. Good morning to you david in morning neck well. I love how the wall street journal opened. Its friday editorial. There is no permanent thing. Like a temporary government program. Quoting of course the great milton friedman but the editorial would go on to laud steven mnuchin the treasury secretary for declining to extend the temporary federal reserve bank lending facility. David could you take a few minutes and explain what happened here. I sure can it. It isn't quite as optimistic as getting rid of a full government program because this was a special vehicle for the fed that was created under the cares act. The mnuchin just simply said we're gonna let it explode. Set to expire december thirty one and even then there were four other facilities the actually is extending their kind of emergency liquidity facility for money markets and commercial paper. They're continuing those but some of the ones that were barely ever really needed or used anyways. They're not extending them. And so i guess in the small picture. I would say that it is good. They're not extending it in the sense that it doesn't allow milton friedman's warning to play out but in the big picture. We should not fool ourselves. The big picture reality of the federal reserve becoming far more interventionist and relevant in times of crisis in american economic life. While that's not going anywhere all right explain. though david. The purpose behind of federal reserve lending facility. My understanding was that when congress passed the cares act there would be a possibility of a liquidity problem for businesses meaning that they would have trouble sourcing operating cash because The normal markets weren't functioning properly or wouldn't function properly in this time of economic crisis. Yeah right and then only the fed could step in and make that happen but explain why that is. Yeah i mean. The whole existence of the central bank is centered around the idea of them being the lender of last resort that if during a time of economic traction everyone is holding on to their dollars and their assets. Then there's no liquidity no ability to transact no ability for money to move and facilitate transactions and economic activity and. I think that the fed played a very important role in march. The kind of i would argue. Legitimate function of getting malfunctioning markets. Functioning again via being liquidity provider is out of the cares act. They also intervened to help in the corporate credit market. They created what they called this main street lending program. They did a whole bunch of other things that were meant to kind of heal certain asset classes corporate debt for good companies not junk credits. The costs of gotten quite high. There was a total mismatch buyers and sellers that did last for about two weeks and it was brutal and i think the fat even announcing that they were coming into the market helped heal the market. But it's ridiculous now. It helped everyone for a couple of weeks back in march. They haven't even used the facility. In months they've only given out Bringing a few billion dollars out of hundreds civilians that had been allotted and then the main shoe lending program is even more ridiculous. They gave out vast than one percent of the total amount that the facility was set for. They gave three point. Seven billion out of six hundred billion and ultimately will mean street lending facility is really what proves what's going on. Is that the companies. Don't need credit. They have access to credit. And so the whole thing. I think is very logical what secretary mnuchin did and the press reaction. The first twenty four hours afterwards was not just wrong because they don't even believe what they were saying. It was totally dishonest. Okay but that's the media for you. But but both. The fed chairman and joe biden or through. His economic team opposed a mnuchin action. What is the best argument against it or is there even a best argument. The joe biden did immediately. Come out to say it was politic. Always trying to hurt. The economic recovery is a new team comes in because in this country there is a vast majority of people that are not going to understand all the economic manusha. And it's very easy to politicize anything just by using rhetoric so they came out and say well mnuchin has some toys and he's taking the toys away therefore it's gonna be unbear- for us But none of it is logical. Rational in terms of chairman. Powell said he acknowledges that they're not using the facilities are not needed. He just said why not maintain that flexibility with us so that if something does come up we have the bullet already in the gun. In other words he's arguing philosophically. Hey you need to keep the central bank in a position. So he's kind of wanting to restructure the intent of cares act provisions which were meant to be emergency. He'd saying okay. It was a concern. But you know another emergency you come to so let's just kind of keep the stockpile it around. Yes we need to use it later. So yeah central. Bankers are going to want to central bank. Haters going to hate central bankers gonna central bank words to live by david johnson financial analyst and adviser. David thank you good to talk to you. Thanks for having me in king even jazz jasbi if you gonna be great but haters kgo. Eight dome. today is monday november twenty third. Good morning this is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm nick anchor and mary record coming up next. The world history book this week explorers and pioneers. Our guide is world senior correspondent. Katie gawltney proverbs. Sixteen nine reminds us. A man's heart plans his way. But the lord directs his steps that spiritual truth finds a historical parallel in portuguese explorer. Ferdinand magellan he providential discovered a sea route connecting the atlantic and pacific oceans. Five hundred years ago. Magellan and his fleet were sailing along the atlantic coast of south america when a raging storm forced the ships into obey. The diversion revealed a shortcut from the mainland of south america to the tier del. Fuego archipelago off. Its southern coast. It's a treacherous route often narrowing along. It's three hundred and fifty mile link with a strong current that led plenty to a watery grave the institution of engineering and technology explained in a documentary. Magellan hoped this unexpected detour would provide quicker access to the profitable good from the spice island joan conception of the vast of the pacific ocean and he imagined this south america was separate from spicer islands by small c. Which she expected across this three or four days in reality. The fleet spent three months and twenty days before reaching the philippines. It marked the first documented european contact with the philippines and magellan spent his time. They're converting the locals to christianity. He ultimately was killed by the leader of a native tribe. His crew completed the remainder of the journey after his death. Making it the first circumnavigation of the globe and now we jump ahead to wish a very happy sixtieth birthday to the queen of christian. Pop amy grant. She turns sixty on november. Twenty fifth grant signed her first recording contract. When she was just fifteen years old she enjoyed a successful career as a contemporary christian music artist before crossing over to pop music in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Here she is today. Show host jane pauley about the difficulties of transitioning from to pop. We're not getting airplay on top forty radio of you cracked it yet. We got our first Totally song and this past month song called find a way well. Congratulations thank you over her forty three year career. She's collaborated with artists from michael. W smith to art garfunkel but occasional brushes with controversy have her decades in the spotlight her transition to secular music then back to christian left some fans with a bad taste in their mouth and she surprised many with her divorce from gary chapman in nineteen ninety nine and her marriage to country music star have been skill a year later. She underwent surgery in june and has had a few months to heal up before this milestone birthday. Now let's let michael w smith sing happy birthday as he did with the band crew in two thousand fourteen when they were rehearsing for an upcoming tore. And will round out this week's lineup with a playful injury. The release of toy story twenty five years ago this week. You've got it marked an achievement in filmmaking. By becoming the first feature length movie created entirely of computer generated imagery the inaugural installment of the toy story franchise introduced characters witty. An old west. Sheriff played by tom. Hanks and buzz light year. Space ranger voiced by tim allen a rocky relationship starting now fayard. You are a child thing. You are sad strange little man and you have my pity. The story of little andy and his favorite toys warmed a lot of hearts over the last quarter century and generated a lot of coin. The now four installments in the toy story franchise have made just over a billion dollars at the box office and they've won plenty of awards and the oscar goes to toy story for by now we're used to seeing computer animation. But it truly was a pioneering technology in one thousand nine hundred five now. Animators have taken that initial animation technology and run with it to infinity and beyond saw. That's this week history book. i'm katie golden. You've got bread in tomorrow. we'll take you to france. Where extremist attacks threatened free speech and will visit paradise california for the first in a three part series about the town's recovery from catastrophic wildfires. That and more tomorrow. i'm nick. I'm mary record the world and everything in it comes to you from world radio. World's mission is biblically objective. Journalism that informs educates and inspires. The steps of a man are established by the lord when he delights in his way. go now in place and peace.
May 17 - Dr. Tom Ingelsby, Peter Navarro, Clint Watts
"Corona virus is a major concern for all of us. We're all looking for ways to prepare and protect ourselves and our families. What happens if you get sick or quarantined either can happen and the steps you take today could make a big difference for you and your community tomorrow one thing the CDC has recommended is telehealth a global rescue total care membership? Is The telehealth solution for access to board certified doctors licensed in all fifty states? It's access to world class medicine right from your smartphone. You'll be able to reach doctors who have the ability to prescribe medicine. An order labs or diagnostic imaging anywhere anytime total. Care membership is available to everyone and consultations cost less than Er visits and most copays plus it eliminates visits to the hospital where exposure to corona virus is a higher risk. Learn more about global rescue. Total care membership at global rescue dot com slash. Total care this Sunday. The president and the pushback on a vaccine would love to see if we can do it prior to the end of the year. You can't count on it. We don't know it'll be one year two years or many years on restarting the economy vaccine or no vaccine back that they feel if that occurs is a real risk that you will trigger. An outbreak two might not be able to control preparedness without better planning. Twenty twenty would be the darkest winter in modern. History is nothing more than a just run unhappy person and now this from former President Obama and this pandemic is fully finally torn back curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing my guest this morning Defense Production Coordinator Peter Navarro and Dr. Tom INGLES BE JOHNS Hopkins University. Plus partisan pandemic anti shutdown demonstrations across the country while in Wisconsin states conservative Supreme Court overturns the Democratic Governors. Stay at home order. I don't think that the risk presents any higher than me going into grocery store also all those conspiracy clay. There's another agenda. It's not just the how. And why so? Many baseless conspiracy ideas are spreading during this crisis. I'll talk to NBC News. National security analysts. Clint walks joining me for insight and analysis are Peter Alexander White House correspondent for NBC News. Anna Palmer senior Washington correspondent for political. And you Michel Cinder White House correspondent for PBS. News out. Welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press and our continuing coverage of the corona virus pandemic from NBC News in Washington the longest running show in television history. This is meet the press with Chuck. Good Sunday morning with the number of confirmed Cova nineteen cases approaching one and a half million and the death toll now nearly ninety thousand with anti shutdown protesters in the streets and with others. Using the crisis to peddle conspiracies. It can seem as if we are a hopelessly divided nation. We see it here. In Washington in the disconnect between Anthony FAUCI warning Congress against a too rapid reopening the country and a president who is called Tau. She's position on reopening schools unacceptable. We see it in Wisconsin where the State Supreme Court back the Republican legislature and struck down a democratic governor. Stay at home order and we see it in our split-screen nation with some people partying. It's twenty nine thousand nine hundred while neighboring states and even neighboring counties remain essentially locked out of course even before the corona virus hit political division was our pre existing condition and all this makes it easy to forget how much most of us are actually pulling in one direction to get us through the worst health and now economic crisis in a century like the healthcare workers risking their lives in hospitals like the grocery clerks working low wage jobs to make ends me and help us put food on the table like the police and millions of others. Who can't work from home to do their jobs? So maybe this is a good moment to remind ourselves of all those acts of kindness selflessness and heroism that do pull us together even as protesters partisans and some high profile politicians exploit the situation to try to pull US apart vaccine or no vaccine. We're back as most states moved to partially reopen. The gap is widening between the President's rhetoric and the guidance of many of his top public health expert president trump claims the maybe be one exception but all throughout the country. The numbers coming down rapidly. In fact the rate of new reported cases is decreasing in Nineteen states remained steady twenty one and is increasing in ten the. Cdc Director tweeted Friday night that the agencies models all forecast an increase in desks in the coming weeks with the death toll exceeding one hundred thousand by June first. Then there's testing Florida. Many other states have so much testing. The testers are waiting for people to show up. It's great but last week. Harvard University researchers found only nine states had met the testing levels needed to safely reopen. And on a vaccine. We'd love to see if we could do it. Prior to the end of the year but many scientists including the president's ousted former top vaccine official. Say That is overly optimistic. I still think twelve to eighteen. Months is an aggressive schedule. And I think it's GonNa take longer than that and on what to expect from the virus at some point it'll go away it may flare up and it may not flare up when you talk about. Will this virus just disappear except publicly many times that is just not GonNa Happen? The tensions between the president and the public health officials were on full display this week with as the CDC released a water down six page decision tree for reopening the country while the rest of its proposed guidelines remained under review at the White House and Mr Trump criticized top infectious disease expert. Dr Anthony Thou- cheat after his warnings about reopening prematurely is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak. You might not be able to control. When he wants to play all sides of the equation. I was surprised by his answer. Actually because you know it's just to me. It's not an acceptable answer especially when it comes to schools and the president is playing up. The political divide as partisan fights break out over when and how to reopen Pennsylvania the barriers Pennsylvania that are barely affected and they have. They want to keep a close. Do that another agenda. It's not just the virus. There's no to highly in Wisconsin where the conservative majority state Supreme Court. This week overturned the Democrat governor. Stay at home order. President trump called that a win brought my freedom basically. I don't think I should be under house arrest and in Michigan where the Republican controlled legislature is suing the state's Democratic governor. When people are showing up with guns when people are showing up with things like You know confederate flags tells you that. This really isn't about the lockdown and joining me. Now is Dr. Tom Ingles vs the director of the Center for Health Security of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Dr Ingles be welcome back to meet the press and I want to put up on screen. a breakdown of of the curves a regional breakdown. Because I'm curious to see how this impact sort of how we should view where this viruses right now. There's clearly not only a flattening but bending of the curve downward in the northeast but in the south and the West it's a plateau any in the Mid West. It's just starting we hope to plateau because the curve was actually continued on an upward trajectory for most of the week looking at it that way. What does that tell you where we are when it comes to this virus? Well I think overall the good news for the country is that the overall top line numbers are trending down on average over the country. But you really have to look at the state level and the regional level to understand where your own state or your own county lies in the whole story As you said earlier there are some states that are still having increasing daily numbers of cases. Some states that are flat some states that are going down so you really need to know the story. You'd ask questions in your own state about how things are going. And some of the questions that are most important are hospitalizations. Still going up. Our our ventilator ventilators still in short supply or do we have many of them in case. There's a new flare. Those kinds of questions are really important for people in stays to be asking about their own situation and I know when we were talking earlier this weekend. You wanted to put an emphasis of concern on how this is spreading in rural America. I'm going to put up a map up here. And in this map I want. The the counties that are in yellow are counties that just in the last week have seen a spike in cases and just about all of these counties or populations less than fifty thousand. What is the status of a? How concerned are you about the ICU? Bed Situation in these rural counties because the numbers look that bad when you look at them from thirty thousand feet but an individual county of less fifty thousand twenty cases twenty hospitalizations could become a huge deal. Yeah I think the local details are going to matter a lot and as you can see in the map. The spread has been from big cities especially in the northeast and then moving towards counties that are further away from cities either ones of small towns or rural counties and even if numbers are small in those places. They have to be very vigilant because they may not have a hospital. That's in close reach or ventilators and in nearby areas and they have to go quite a distance to get the care. They might need if they get sick from. Cova so those are important. Places to watch and for states to be vigilant about What do you tell? We've gotten quite a few emails from viewers who say and I've had plenty of conversations with folks who say hey you know what are areas just fine and I don't understand why these lockdowns and boy they did all these lockdowns in that stayed in our state's the same way without all the lockdowns. Were they really all necessary? What do you say to that viewer who they look in their own neighborhood essentially and think I just don't see it? Yeah I think lockdowns were necessary. They actually have changed the course. The epidemic in the United States. We have the largest epidemic in the world five times as many cases as any other country in the world and you can see over time that the curve is moving in the right direction and it is now appropriate for states to be thinking about how to very carefully reopen. And do it as safely as possible but yes I think we needed to get control of this epidemic in the country and now reset and now places where there is very little disease. Those are the places where it's going to be safest to gradually reopen. Give us a sense of what you think. The next three months are to look like with this virus. We keep talking about what the fall might look like but given what we've seen what you've studied around the world in various climates. What are you seeing? What are reopening status is essentially going to be right where it looks like about a half. The country is going to sticker with some social distancing guideline. What do you expect the summer to look like? Well it's difficult to predict. The future really is in our hands. Depends on how people in individual states react to the situation if people continue to be very careful about physical distancing wearing cloth masks when outside avoiding gatherings I think I'm hopeful that states will be able to control their outbreaks. We also need to have very strong contact tracing efforts around the country what that's what countries around the world of us with a lot of success so if you get a case investigated quickly you make sure. All those contacts are safely quarantined. And we keep control that way. I think we shouldn't think of this as kind of starting and stopping and this is over. This is a longer term process. And we're all in together and our our actions are gonNA matter. I think you know the the the models in this country. The leading models predict that there may be as many as one hundred and ten thousand people who have died by this disease a month from now. Those are models. It's possible for us to do better than models. It's also possible for us to do worse depending on what people decide to do their own. Actions What do you say? What do you take away from a situation in Georgia where they were one of the first states try to reopen there was a lot of doom and gloom predictions? And so far things have gone. Okay Yeah Georgia has been about the same as it was before. The lockdown ended. My understanding is that many people in Georgia are cautiously and carefully. Moving back towards reopening. So so I don't think people should say see the reopening process and Georgia's. Everything happened at once and everything started in the same way. It seems like. There's a lot of caution by individuals around the state but that being said it does. It's it's a good beginning in the fact that it hasn't gotten worse we it does take time for us to see the change that might occur following policy because it takes a while for people to be to become sick after getting infected and it could take even longer for them to be hospitalized. So I think it's too soon for us to say any state. How things are going. We need to see a couple of more weeks but it's good news. That things have not gotten the wrong direction and very quickly very quickly on a vaccine. We hear this twelve to eighteen months timeline. Is that time line too optimistic? We know the president wants it sooner. And why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't anybody want it? Sooner is the twelve to eighteen months time. Line realistic or not. Well coming into this year I would have said it was completely unrealistic and I still think that there it is. It is Far from a sure thing but given that there's that there are now one hundred and ten vaccine projects going on around the world that all the major vaccine companies in the world are are working on this in some way and given that Tony fouled she and my slough we are now leading figures in the US in this project and they both believe it's possible. I think it is possible but everything would have to break in the right way and many ways that it might not work so. I don't think we should bank on it but we should hold out some level of hope that if everything goes in the right direction we could possibly be see vaccine by the end of the year while. That's for sure the hope being. Hey we've got the smartest minds in the world. All focused on one problem. Gosh darn it. Let's see if we can ted solution very quickly tough. Dr Ingles be Of Johns Hopkins. Thanks for coming on and getting US started this morning so much. Appreciate and joining me now. Peter Navarro he's the director of trade and manufacturing policy inside the White House but in this crisis he's also the National Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator. Mr Navarro Welcome back to meet the press and I want to start with your current job as defense production act coordinator. I'm sure you've seen the letter handful of Democratic senators have written And they're frustrated that it hasn't been invoked enough. They say that the authority has been used to sparingly to to basically even out the market when it comes to P P and testing kits and testing supplies. What do you say to their concerns? Their dead wrong. Let me give you a couple of examples of one of the most successful uses of the defense production. Act WAS TO GET General Motors. Working with a small company called then tech to make ventilators. We had a serious crisis back at the time. This was a miracle and in some sense of Microcosm Chuck for the future of what we had was general motors in seventeen days. Working with small companies. Stood up a ventilator factory and within three days with the help of ups we were able to deliver ventilators to hospitals and Gary in Chicago now beneath the surface of that using the EPA. The real story is. Gm went in used three D. imaging to replicate a factory in Seattle was small. It was only cranking out twenty five ventilators more importantly chuck seven hundred pieces go into that ventilator and GM was able to use its manufacturing platform to to go out to its supply chain to replicate virtually all of those here on domestic soil so using the EPA we were able to move incredible speed innovative and bring ventilator production right here in Mesic soil. That for me is a microcosm of what we're doing honeywell. We opened two factories one in Arizona and one in Rhode Island that was done using the EPA in five weeks as opposed to nine months. So we're using the DP whenever we need to and we're using it quite effectively. You're making a strong case for how the DP can be effective and what these senators are asking is use it more use it more ramp up the issue. For instance the issue of testing kits importantly the supplies it takes to process. Those tests is still something we lag behind on. What's wrong with using? Epa TO INSERT search search. Those supplies senators are looking in the rear view mirror. We had the same discussion six weeks ago at ventilation exact same thing and what we did with. Ventilators was basically get a situation. Now where by June? We're GONNA have over one hundred thousand of them. We're going to have more ventilators in America ever needs and we're gonna able to export those ventilators make that an export industry jobs here exports there and we're going to be able to give them later to our allies. That can't afford them. So same thing's happening with testings. We speak every week. It ramps up. It's kind of like computer chips. Where the speed doubles every certain amount. Same things happen with testing so I use Democratic senators Oughta get out more often and see what the trump administration is doing. I WANNA go back to the issue of testing and test kits. You're making a lot of promises here. At what point will every business leader in America? No they have access to many texts. Kits is a need to reopen their facilities. Admiral Jarara has has said quite clearly that everybody needs a test now can get a test. We continue to ramp under. We get beyond. That might my. I'm not here to make promise to you chuck. I'm here to tell you coordinator the supply chains. That we rapidly ramping up testing just like we did with ventilators. Were ramping up surgical. Downs ramping up masks and This strategic national stockpile two point zero. I think it's my will be worth talking just a little bit about. It's smarter because we're using information technology It's bigger than a really smart way because not only are we gonNA FILL FEMA WAREHOUSES WITH A lot. More and medicines were also gonNA use distribution centers like Owens and minor which the president visited last week in in Pennsylvania. Tab them hold additional inventory hospitals point of care or going to hold additional inventory and most important chuck in terms of this by American build American as we locate the domestic supply. Chain here are factory going to be able to hold reserve capacity which allows us to additional demand so my job is to make sure people of America have enough of what they need going forward and I'm confident that we are moving beautifully in that direction under leadership of president trump. Look I saw. I know you WanNa talk about the strategic national stockpile. But I gotta ask you this question. You did a pandemic exercise and you went through these plans in eighteen and nineteen. Do you have a good explanation? For why the after action reports weren't followed in time to have our stockpiles prepared for this pandemic about looking in the rear view mirror. Right now Jack in this president just looking straight ahead towards it well. It's going to be a really strong future. The fact of the matter is that we were able to get through the Chinese winter here the pandemic with what we had it was a threadbare of FEMA stockpile that was left to us by the previous administration. The one that we're going to have going into the fall is not that it's going to be as I said. Smarter bigger far more resilient. That's what I'm doing my focus here. Yeah I used to. I used to. I came here to work on trade policy issues and somehow I became quartermaster supply clerk. But it's been beautiful thing working with private industry to see how innovative companies of American be. And how the manufacturing platforms this country. If you just give them some lift how they can really develop like the GM example. I told you about earlier. I want to ask you quickly about the CDC and ask you whether the president has confidence in the CDC. It does seem as if the initial guidelines they didn't want to put out they've put down very limited guidelines with more detailed ones coming later. Cdc hasn't been able to give a briefing now in over a month. Does the president have confidence in the CDC as our lead as our lead? On this pandemic. Well I'd say two things about that. First of all we should ask the president that question not me but but early on in this crisis the CDC which which really had the most trusted brand around the world in this space really let the country down With with the testing because not only did they keep the testing within the bureaucracy. They had a bad test. And that did set us back but going forward with these guidelines the important thing to understand here from American people this opening up this economy is not a question of lives versus jobs. The the fact of the matter is and what president trump realized early on. Is that if you lock people down? You may save lives directly from China virus right but you indirectly. You're going to kill a lot more people and why do I say that? We know statistically based on our experience with the China trade shock in the two thousands that unemployment creates more suicides depression and drug abuse. But we also know this in this crisis as we've basically locked down our hospitals for everything but Cova women haven't been getting mammograms or cervical examinations for cancer. We haven't been able to do other procedures for the heart or the kidneys. And that's GONNA kill people as well. So if you contrast like this complete lockdown where some of the people in the medical community WanNa want to just run and hide until now viruses extinguished. That's going to not only take a huge toll on the American economy. GonNa kill many more people than the virus that China Virus Everwood? I gotta I gotTa ask you this question about the president on one hand. He says he wants to leave these decisions up to governors but it does seem as if he if he doesn't like the decision of a governor particularly if they're in the midwest he expresses his view. How does that help? The governor be able to make their own decisions. Look I report directly to the president. And I'm I'm one of the top five advisers on policy. I let the president speak for himself. That's all I can say. I do think that we're seeing here across this country in terms of different responses that it is very useful to leverage local control but on the other hand I'm a California and when I see the mayor of Los Angeles want the locked down that city through the end of July. I gotTA have to scratch my head. I think that California. That's the only way I see California ever becoming a red state because my folks back in Orange County. You'RE NOT GONNA put up with that kind of nonsense and it is not since Peter. Peter Navarro the defense production coordinator an adviser and trade manufacturing policy as well. Thanks for coming on and sharing the administration's view. So I appreciate it. Great to talk with you today. Sir when we come back another result of the corona virus pandemic conspiracy theories. I don't even know if I really believe in it. You the truth. I think there's something going on but I don't think that every all this Illinois is related to the belief in conspiracies that has thrived along with the bias that's next with all the uncertainty in the world. Feeling safe at home has never been more important. It's why if you haven't already you need to check out simply safe home. Security their longtime friends of our show and for good reason simplisafe has made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home. There's no technician or that needs to come and disrupt your house. You don't need to pay any outrageous monthly fees or sign a two year contract. 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And that's the point joining me now is NBC News. National security analysts. Clint Watts who specializes in tracking. How conspiracies form and spread. He's a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and the Alliance for Democracy Clint. It's good to see you see that you're safe Let me start with us. You have a way of. Mapping these conspiracies out and how they catch on and you describe it this way. How to build a disinformation and in this case like a bonfire? The first thing you need is a spark and the spark being a theory is put Online this case. Why are these sparks so potent this time when we are scared chuck and the time of a pandemic were not really sure what to believe? Were fearful both for life and our health that of our families. We tend to take an information we might not otherwise consider when you see sparks thrown out there. There is a demand signal as well for it. People want to know are they say? Can I trust information and then people that have you know different agendas? Maybe anti VACs. Maybe it is reopening the country. Maybe it's a conspiracy by elites if you throw all those sparks out there same time it can start that fire of disinformation plant. What's amazing about this spark and we're trying to be careful here not to get more attention to it. But there's A. There's this book and this movie that circulated online and while a bunch of tech companies got rid of the book itself is number. You know number one Amazon Bestseller Number Three New York Times. Both are putting it on the nonfiction category. This is a super organized effort. You've got multi-platform multimedia you've got people who know how to push the stuff in the social media environment you'd have people that know how to make very high production video. That's very engaged. It makes you want to start engaging these conspiracy and then you've got all the so-called background this is that book. This is many many websites that are out there that are talking about health or health risks related to vaccine when you put all of this together. It's hard not to encounter the information and the more you see something the more you'll tend to believe it or even if you know what's falls you'll start to consider it all right. Let's go back to the bonfire so the spark this theory this book this movie then you get the kindling and that is all of a sudden you have a whole bunch of fringe groups pick up on the spark shuck with amazing in this time of the pandemic. How many conspiracy. We were talking about five G. three weeks ago. We're talking about essentially an elite Organiz corrupt big Pharma vaccine conspiracy. This time is it touches. On many audiences that Kendall Lane is when many fringe or alternative media side? Pick UP AN ASTROTURF. This content they repeated over and over and over again and then try and amplify it in social media that creates that kindling that starts that fire which elevates it not only on social media up to the mainstream media where people have to start to address it and four years ago. This disinformation campaign started internationally and then domestic actors picked it up. It appears this is just the opposite. This time. Right is we're doing this to ourselves but the international folks are goosing at a little bit. Aren't they chuck? When I talked to you three years ago about this information coming from Russia it was something that they had to push along. They have picking grabs certain things in the US but they also made their own conspiracy to push sas no longer the case right now whether it's Russia Iran China or any other. Us adversary. There's plenty of. Us made this information which they can pick and choose amplify and send back into the US. Audience base taking divide US speaking their road. Trust Institution speaking to a erode trust in our healthcare system which is something that's essential at this and then of course that leads to number three and your disinformation bonfire Ingredients HERE TO LEAN. Social media becomes the gasoline and it's on social media. You say that suddenly you get trust up appeal. People who appear to be trusted verifiers like celebrities. Chuck if you can get your Kindling to boil over into that bonfire sort of stage. What you see is a celebrity or an expert. Even if they are refuting conspiracy can elevated so that there are more eyeballs on it. If you get just a select group maybe three to five social media influencers outside reach now in terms of audience. They can bring these conspiracies up to almost unmanageable. You can't even put the fire out at that point all right. Let's took about two aspects of this though that that our challenge here one is a lot of people are going to criticize us for covering this. Because they're going to argue that. We're amplifying bringing attention to these conspiracies. What do you say to that? If you don't address a conspiracy and it continues if there's no rebuttal. People tend to believe things that have no rebuttal. If you don't rebutted then that conspiracy continues to spread at the same point if you actually go and challenge that conspiracy. Sometimes it can draw more attention to it can draw more evaluation too delicate balance in the media and with the social media companies about how to police it sorts of information. I think the key things to look at is where is this outlet who is producing this information? How are they making their money or is this for an ideological caused and the second is the expert. Why are they experts in this field? And should you trust them? What do you do? What do you do if you're Amazon Amazon? This was self published on Amazon. This is why it's got now the improper tour of saying it's a New York Times bestseller which in and of itself gives it legitimacy. What's remarkable is the problem. That was facebook twitter youtube trying to police. What is disinformation misinformation now? Spread the products in the health space. We have to determine. How do we police? Sort of permission. Clinton Watch. This is a a difficult subject but we thought it was one. It's more important to bring some sunlight to thanks for coming on and sharing your expertise with us. Make sure I've got it when we come back. Former President Obama takes on President. Trump's handling the pandemic listens. Welcome back panel is with us from their remote location Michel send or White House correspondent for PBS. Newshour Peter Alexander White House correspondent for us here at NBC News and Anna Palmer senior Washington correspondent for politico. Co Author of Politico's playbook Peter. I assumed I would have been starting with a tweet from the president this morning responding to President Obama. That hasn't happened yet. But let's play a little bit of president. Obama not so subtly taking a dig at the Pandemic response from national leadership. More than anything. This is fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing a lot of the Marne even pretending to be in church if the world's going to get better. It's going to be up to you. Peter I assume this becomes something. That's a bit of a A bit of a an attention seeker for the president today. Well we've seen it over. The course of the last several days from President trump attacking his predecessor. Barack Obama what he calls Obama Gate this weekend. He's at Camp David meeting with some of his conservative allies. White House official telling me at certain that their desire so far fruitless to try to show evidence that President Obama committed a crime. The president was asked that very question. President trump. This week president couldn't identify what crime he's accusing President Obama. But I'm told by official that certain they'll be discussing that topic there but what. This really sort of underscores is the break. And what was that? Sort of presidential tradition where there wasn't any criticism sort of back and forth. We've seen it last night. You saw Barack Obama speaking at a commencement address to Americans. It's sort of one vision of leadership versus what we've seen from president trump and days. They each offered one word. I guess that they punctuated this week from president trump. Who's trying to knock out Joe Biden at the same time as he knocks on? Barack Obama said Obama Gate from Barack Obama. He said vote. Chuck You Michelle. Cinder the former President Obama. He's careful with his words. That's written speech. That's a speech. He made this decision to engage. It is going to spark a political back and forth. It is but I think what we see now. Is the President Obama really getting into general election territory and starting to gear up the the might of the Obama name? He is ready for this fight. He was at. I caught really on a private. Call talking to staffers trying to get them excited about Joe Biden saying that president. Trump's response to the corona virus was a chaotic disaster. Of course President Obama's direct words. So what you see. There is President Obama coming to the defense of his vice president and coming to his defense without actually directly talking about this conspiracy theory that president trump is now talking about which is whether or not president trump broke. Some were president. Obama broke some sort of law. I think what you see though. This week is president trump really leaning in on his two thousand sixteen instincts. He's back where he was in two thousand sixteen which is that. He's going on the offensive with Obama. He's also in some ways leaning and not listening to the scientists saying. Hey you really need to slow down and be cautious about reopening this week. He said I think it was the line of the week vaccine or no vaccine. We're back he could have said. Tests are no tests where back he could have said. Scientists are no scientists. Were back the clear sign. There is that we're back in his mind. You Know Anna Palmer I wanNA play. And speaking of the president continues to believe that that if we over focus on the health issues we are. We're GONNA do worse economic damage. Take a listen to how he portrayed the death toll earlier this week. I've lost friends. Many of us lost friends. We read about that and we see that. And that's what the news coverage but a very very very small percentage. It's a very very small percentage. I say it all the time. It's a tiny percentage. The vast majority many people don't even know they have it Anna Palmer among congressional Republicans. How much do they sort of? Lean toward that View of sort of this balance between health security and economic security. I think there's the issue of this president has never been very good with empathy and certainly as a country when that death toll is rising no almost ninety thousand and clearly. It looks like there's going to be tens of thousands more deaths on the horizon that Republicans are concerned but they have not broken with this president on this issue or on very few others. Do think to your point earlier about Obama Gate and how the president is really trying to rally his troops in making this a a campaign issue has a little bit of space between where Congressional Republicans are Mitch. Mcconnell is we're even his allies like Senator Lindsey Graham saying you should be careful what you wish for if you really want me to bring former president. Barack Obama up to the hill to actually testify. Anna Palmer I WANNA stick with Congress here for a second Jay Powell. The Federal Reserve Chair seemed to make a clear this week that he wants to see Congress to act. And I'm curious. What mattered more to Mitch? Mcconnell J. Powell's comments or Nancy Pelosi's ability to pass her three trillion dollar package. I mean Congress is nowhere on a package. The Republicans and Democrats haven't even started talking. You speak to Republicans behind the scenes. They're projecting another bill won't even be really seriously looked for several weeks and on a more aggressive timeline. Potentially try to pass it before the July fourth recess. But really right. Now you're not seeing Mitch. Mcconnell having any sense of urgency to take a package whether or not Jay Powell is urging them to say we need more action soon. Peter Alexander. I want to read for you here very quickly. A Mitt Romney tweet about the late night announcement on Friday night that the president plan to fire plan to fire Another inspector general. Steve Lennox this one at the State Department said Mitt Romney. The firings of multiple inspectors general is unprecedented doing so without good cause chills the independence. Essential their purpose. It is a threat to accountable democracy and a Fisher in the constitutional balance of power. What I found interesting about this story is that Peter. The White House went on the record. To say wasn't the president that made the president made this decision after it was requested by Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo it's not just Mitt Romney by the way Chuck Grassley among those also critical of this decision. The third time in six weeks on a Friday night that the president has ousted independent watchdogs. Inspector General's here but it was striking that they would say pompeo recommended this and the Obama and that excuse me president. Trump followed suit are given the fact that there's reporting from Democratic aides that POMPEII was being investigated by the State Department. Inspector General for basically having a political appointee do some tasks on his behalf. This was on. I asked a White House official and they said this is not the way I would have put it back to. You Chunk very interesting there. Peter Alexander all right when we come back how the economic fallout of covert nineteen can also spread like a virus. But as we go to break it is graduation. Season Virtual graduation season that is and we have highlights for graduation week like no other. What will your essential service be? What really matters to you had to be good amendment. Who made the sacrifices that have saved line? Having you come at this moment to help. America moved through this very difficult. Time is really extraordinary. Leave behind all the old ways of thinking that divide us sexism. Racial prejudice status greed set the world on a different path. Welcome back data download time the economic toll of covert nineteen becomes more apparent with each new set of job in sales figures but the pain is not spread evenly across the economy at least not yet the month of April twenty point five million jobs lost across the US economy with many sectors. Losing millions manufacturing lost one point three million retail two point. One two and a half million from education and health services but the biggest decline not surprisingly from leisure and hospitality a whopping seven point. Seven million jobs lost thirty eight percent of all job losses in April along but even among leisure and hospitality jobs losses are not evenly spread as we see in an analysis from MC labor market analytics firm for instance. The Arts and sports cut two hundred and seventeen thousand jobs last month. Hotels accommodations lost about eight hundred. Thirty nine thousand positions amusements and gaming lost a million jobs and then the hardest hit of all food services everything from full service restaurants two bars and caters lost five and a half million jobs. Hotels restaurants gambling. Casinos look at those categories. And you see how a city like Los Vegas and be facing an economic catastrophe in this pandemic. Thirty percent of their workforce is unemployed right now in Nevada low folks in addition distress can spread to related sectors much like a virus retail US seventy one thousand positions because of the job losses in leisure and hospitality finance and insurance lost one hundred nine thousand jobs manufacturing lost one hundred eighty four thousand and real estate that sales rentals and leasing lost more than four hundred thousand so when you add in all of the secondary impacts from leisure and hospitality that initial seven point seven million jobs lost in the sector grows markedly as many as ten point. One million jobs were lost in April just because of ties to leisure and hospitality. Scary Times just because you have a job now doesn't mean you're industry is immune to similar ripple effects no matter how essentially you think your job as the old adage goes. It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job. It's a depression. You lose when we come back. What's behind president? Trump's strategy in going after President Obama. Welcome back as we teased out earlier. Obama V. TRUMP. What is it about at this point and you meech? It comes at an awkward time for the Biden campaign because on one hand they want Obama they. The improper tour of Obama is why he's the nominee but by his own challenges. Here there's The New York Times this week. Mister Biden's inability to influence the political or policy debate about the corona virus and the nation's economic collapse has worried some democratic allies donors and former Obama administration officials. Who Want Mr Biden? He rarely goes on offense against Mr Trump in ways that have lasting impact. I mean in some ways it's Obama. That did the tough work this weekend. That's that's right. And there are of course limits to what Joe Biden can do from his basement when we see the president now. Traveling to key states like Arizona in Pennsylvania. I've been talking to officials on the Biden campaign and they say they think that he's reaching the people that he needs to reach from his basement. They feel like their numbers are strong with there. Is this question of whether or not he should be doing more. They say that this election the Biden officials say that this election is going to be about president. Trump's handling of the corona virus in an on that note Joe Biden has been pretty critical of the way the president trump has handled the virus. I think that's why you see president trump moving toward this idea that he wants to go back to talking about the economy. Because that's what he hoped to. Ron Peter Navarro. I think there was an interesting moment. There were you. You're pushing him on the national stockpile and he didn't want to really come to the defense of the president said he said. I'm not I don't want to look in the rear view mirror that could be a problem for the trump administration going forward Anna Palmer it is sort of Dec- Biden apparent interaction with the congressional democratic leadership. Right now absolutely I mean I think one of the struggles that be bind campaign is having right now is one that. Democrats have all the time. President from soaks up all the oxygen. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of alignment or coordination among speakers saying look to Joe Biden. His on she is leading completely on her own. I think the other real question is when is he going to have a breakout moment and can do it from his basement? There's so much effort and reporting on who's GonNa be as vp but is going to give him a bump. I think that is something that Democrats are super nervous. Not a lot of operas. I'm talking about two or saying. When is he going to kind of have that moment and without the campaign and being out there is Obama going to be his really rallying cry? And that's a big issue for them and Peter Alexander. I one thing about president. Trump's some people his what he does is strategy but I think some people under look at some of his moves about strategy. He seems to be wanting to make Obama as polarizing as he possibly can. He clearly seems to be nervous. That Obama could be an effective surrogate for by chuck. I think you're exactly right. I mean president. Former President Barack Obama remains the most popular political figure in the country. Right now. It's obvious you can read right into the White House. Officials will tell you as much of the presence trying to chip away at that popularity. Try to make the former president of polarizing figure here but his obsession with Barack Obama dates back to the origins of his getting into politics. Right with birtherism back in twenty eleven accusing Obama of tapping my wires. Even after he became president he's added again right now. The hope for the president is that he needs the thinking is that he needs to pivot to the election. Right now. Jared Kushner when I was speaking to officials behind closed doors. I said WHO's the most powerful person in the White House? Besides the present they laughed. Instead of it's jared Kushner who's focused hasn't just been the economy but also the political campaign that's ahead for this president. Recognize that Barack Obama is also in some ways on the ticket alongside Joe Biden now Peter. Though every time he's picked a fight with Obama Obama's that seem to regularly at least even in trump's own mind get the best of him because he's actually retreated at times from Obama fights. Yeah no I think that's right. I think that's right as well. We've seen that again. I hear the president of leaning in on this occasion to someone said as it relates to what the President Calls Obama Gate. They said this is not changing votes. It's about motivating our voters the president's focus on his base with this new commentary based you're right that is all we for today. Thank you panel. Thank you for watching. Thank you for trusting us. We leave you this morning with the choir. From last night's graduate graduation graduated together. It's an amazing amazing moment and we'll be back next week because if it's Sunday it's meet the press. Hey It's Chris Hayes. This week on my podcast. Wise is happening. I'll be talking with the president of the appeal. Josie Duffy Rice about how the pandemic is playing out inside prisons and other incarcerated spaces and what criminal justice and it's inequities and contradictions look like in this pandemic. They're just aren't enough doctors in a prison. Right you're talking about places with hundreds of people who are malnourished much of the time who don't have access to any sort of ability to social distance or wear a mask or any of the preventative measures and then you have one doctor for hundreds and hundreds of people everywhere you turned. There is sort of an insurmountable obstacle. When you're trying to address something this severe and this fast moving in one of these facilities. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you are listening right now and subscribe.
NPR News: 05-27-2020 11PM ET
"Live from NPR news. I'm Shay Stevens. The United States has passed a grim milestone in the nation's battle against the new corona virus. Npr's Rob Stein reports that more than one hundred thousand Americans have died from covid. Nineteen more than one point. Six million cases and more than one hundred thousand deaths have now been recorded by a closely-watched coronavirus tracking service run by Johns Hopkins. Tom ingles be runs. The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. It's a really sad milestone for the country. I think we need to back and just remember that. That's one hundred thousand lives are lost one hundred thousand families that are grieving. The United States has been hit harder than any other country in the world and even though the nation is starting to reopen many public health experts warn the pandemic is far from over Rob Stein. Npr news bad weather has forced NASA and space X TO DELAY A long-awaited rocket launch as NPR's Nell Greenfieldboyce reports. It was going to be the first time in nearly a decade that NASA astronauts blasted off from American soil NASA astronaut Doug Hurley and his crewmate Bob Bank and we're all suited up and strapped into the SPACEX dragon capsule on top of a Falcon nine rocket. Go for long. Space X started fueling the rocket in preparation for the company's first ever launched with people on board but there was bad weather around the launch site at Kennedy Space Center in Florida. All Day at one point the forecast even warned of tornadoes. And although the skies did clear the weather didn't improve enough with just minutes left in the countdown. It had to be called off the next possible. Launch Window comes on Saturday. And there's another on Sunday Nell Greenfieldboyce. Npr News Secretary State. Mike Pompeo has notified Congress that the trump administration no longer regards Hong Kong as being separate from mainland China bump did not announce any plans to revoke Hong Kong special privileges but it does set the stage for lifting the preferential trade and financial status. That Hong Kong has enjoyed since Britain gave up control in one thousand nine hundred seven European Union proposal for its seven year budget includes a special recovery fund for countries devastated by Covid Nineteen Teri Schultz reports that the proposal faces weeks of harsh debate on where the money will come from and how it should be spent every seven years. The European Union has to agree on its joint budget. This time. The always bitter debate must also consider an impending deep recession due to Corona Virus. Even before today's publication of the European Commission's proposal countries had staked themselves out on opposite sides of the roughly eight Hundred Billion Dollar Recovery Fund France and Germany favor giving grants to governments the frugal four of Austria Denmark. Netherlands and Sweden say funds must be repaid Teri Schultz reporting from Brussels. This is NPR. News protests. Broke out again today. In Minneapolis over the death of an unarmed black man in police custody mayor Jacob Fry says the police officer involved George floors deaths should face criminal charges a bystander. Video Shows Officer. Derek Shaaban pressing. His neck is knee on Floyd's neck as three others officers. Look on the officers. Say THE FLOYD FIT. The description of a forgery suspect and resisted arrest state and federal authorities are investigating other an AIDS activists. Larry Kramer has died in New York of pneumonia. He was eighty four years. Old Grammar is best known for starting both the gay. Men's health crisis and act up to groups demanding AIDS research and drug development. Jeff London has more Larry Kramer was pugnacious irritating and highly effective in the early nineteen eighties. He fought the New York. Mayor's office and Reagan administration to make them take the growing. Hiv AIDS plague among gay men. Seriously then Kramer wrote unflinchingly about those struggles in the normal heart. And I could see that I could annoy people the this but that's who I am so I wasn't GonNa Romanticize Myself Conn. Born in Yale Educated Kramer worked in Hollywood where he wrote the screenplay to women in love among others then he wrote a controversial novel about gay life even as an AIDS at himself was infected with HIV and suffered various medical problems over the years fr NPR news. I'm Jeff London in New York you're listening to NPR news.
White House Exposure, Vaccine Volunteers & Workers Rewarded- Monday, May 11th, 2020
"Today is Monday may eleventh to today about cove in nineteen in the West Wing who tested positive and which top officials are now staying home and thousands of people say. They'll volunteer offer a risky type of research. Plus Tesla sues over factory restrictions and then they fighters returned to action and which essential workers will be getting some free vacations. Welcome welcome to the newsworthy. All the day's news in less than ten minutes fast. They're fun and on the go. I'm Erica Mandy. Thanks so much for being here. You're ready. Let's do this. The top doctors in charge of managing the Kobe nineteen pandemic are going into isolation several members of the Corona Virus Task Force came in contact with at least one White House aide who later tested positive for the virus so three of the members will be self isolating for two weeks. They are top infectious disease. Expert Dr Anthony Fauci See Director Robert Redfield and FDA Commissioner Dr Steven Hahn so if none of them have tested positive for the virus Vice President Mike Pence also came in contact with people who have come down with Kobe in nineteen including his press secretary even though he was self isolating over the pence plans to return to the White House today. Still an administration official. Ap Pence would be keeping his distance from other people. Both vice president pence and president trump are being tested every day and so far they've been testing negative however at least eleven secret service. Employees have reportedly been infected with cove in nineteen and sixty other. Staffers are in self quarantine. This should not affect protections though since there are more than three thousand agents who were closely to protect presidents vice presidents and their families. Americans are getting mixed messages about the future of this pandemic for example on Friday. President Trump said he believed COVA. Nineteen would go away without vaccine. He did not site specific examples but says there's evidence of other viruses disappearing without vaccine so it could happen here too but the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Push back on that Dr. Tom Ingles vetoed Fox. News cove in nineteen will remain a problem in some form until vaccine is developed. He said hopefully we'll learn to live with it and be able to slow the spread of the virus even further but it won't just banish in fact he says the US is still in the early stages of the pandemic despite the fact that nearly eighty thousand Americans have already died from it. Dr Ingles be said reopening the country even partially can cause some new hotspots and increase cases in some areas but he agrees we do need to find a balance to help get the economy going again to get back to work safely says every state needs better testing and better contact tracing where people are tracing who get sick and warning those they came in contact with thousands of people are volunteering to get infected with the new corona virus. The reason it's one way to speed up the development of a vaccine. We're talking about a so-called trial. Here's the idea. Otherwise healthy people get the possible vaccine. That's being studied then. They're purposely exposed to the virus to see if the vaccine works to be clear. This is not how vaccine research usually works in the US. The FDA has never allowed this for a disease like nineteen that does not have a cure instead as part of the process researchers give people a vaccine and they wait they simply wait to see how many people in the study get. Infected some argue. We don't have that kind of time right now. And this method could save more lives. Other say it's not ethical while it's being debated there are no plans right now to actually do this in the US but more than fifteen thousand people from more than one hundred countries have already volunteered to take part in the US. It's ultimately up to the FDA to decide if this will ever happen. The world is remembering a rock and roll pioneer little. Richard died Saturday after a battle with bone cancer. He's known for hit songs. Like Tutti fruity and good. Golly Miss Molly as well as outlandish costumes and showmanship other musical legends like Elton John Jimi Hendrix Bob Dylan and David Bowie. Have All said the idolize little Richard as an artist so he influenced generations of rock and roll little. Richard was eighty seven years old. There's a new piece of evidence in a high profile murder investigation in Georgia and now the state is asking the feds to get involved. We're talking about the shooting death of Ahmad Armory. Who IS BLACK REMEMBER? His family says he was sober unarmed and just jogging for exercise when he was shot and killed in a racist attack. The suspects are a father and son Gregory and Travis McMichael who are white they say was a burglar who stole from a nearby construction site so they went after him ultimately. They say they had to use self defense. Well surveillance video released over the weekend. Show Aubrey walking into a home under construction. Just a block away from the shooting minutes before he was killed but the video does not show him taking anything. An expert told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Walking into a construction site is not necessarily a crime. And it's not a good enough reason for attempting even a citizens arrest. Remember another video shows. Confrontation and armory was shot and killed in the street. The McMichael were not arrested and charged with murder until two months after the shooting when it started getting national attention now. Georgia's Attorney General has asked the US Justice Department to investigate how local law enforcement originally handled this case. No matter what the McMichael's will not face any hate crime charges in Georgia. It's one of four states in the US that don't have a hate. Crime Prevention Law Electric Carmaker. Tesla is suing to reopen CEO Elon. Musk filed the lawsuit against Alameda. County in California since county officials will not let them reopen his factory in Fremont he says there's no reason to pump the brakes since governor newsom has given factories the okay to get back to work. Musk is so mad. He also threatened to move Tesla's headquarters out of California altogether to either Texas or Nevada. Cnn reports health officials. Say they're working with Tesla on a reopening plan. They have not given the company the green light yet. We have more news coming up but first a quick break for our new sponsor this week net gear. Is Your Home Wifi struggling to keep up? Can it handle streaming gaming video conferencing and homeschooling what about all at once? Sounds like it's time for a WIFI upgrade. Bring your Wifi up to speed with Orbi Wifi. Six from net gear Wi fi. Six is a whole new kind of Wifi. It's the latest tech that gives you the fastest speeds possible even as you connect more and more devices throughout your home. That means you'll be able to stream without buffering eliminate lag well gaming and connect more devices to your Wifi than ever before. 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The new test is only about eighty five percent accurate so the FDA says when this new test comes back. Negative results should be backed up with the traditional swab test. Still experts say this rapid tests could be the key in reopening the country safely after roughly two month hiatus the UFC made its return over the weekend. It held fights in Jacksonville Florida but the VIBE was definitely different. For example there were fans watching in the stands and all the fighters had to be tested for Cova nineteen before the event in fact the AP reports one of them did test positive the day before so he was not allowed to take part so the fight night got pretty good reviews. President trump even recorded a congratulations message for the UFC. Saying it's important to get sports going again. Two more nights of fights are scheduled this week but first another one thousand cove in nineteen tests will be given out to make sure everyone is healthy. Several tech companies are working to rebound from Corona virus related. Shutdowns FOR EXAMPLE APPLE. Says it'll reopen some of its. Us stores this week in Idaho South Carolina Alabama and Alaska. But there will be a bunch of new safety rules. Cnbc reports the stores will be doing ten checks for both customers and employees and the limit. How many people can be inside at once and both facebook and Google say they'll give most of their employees the option to work from home for the rest of the year even though they do plan to start reopening their offices or than four thousand frontline workers at a New York City. Hospital are getting some free vacations. American Airlines and Hyatt hotels teamed up to send each person a three day trip. They can pick from a variety of destinations in the US in the Caribbean. This isn't just for doctors and nurses either other hospital staff like food. Service workers are getting free trips as well. They'll be able to take the trips later this year or next year once they get a break from work. And that's it for your ten minutes of news today but now it's time for money Monday where we talk about one interesting money related news story you should know and today we're talking about how people around the world are spending money right now. Market Researcher Euromonitor International found. Things have definitely changed. Since at homeowners went into effect for example people are buying more self care products and services from meditation APPs to mood boosters to even legal cannabis and it seems. We're all more inclined to support local businesses and locally produced products as for. What's dropped off? Since January people are not buying reusable. 's much anymore even though they are better for the environment instead people. WanNa use disposable products that might be cleaner and of course all things transportation are out at the beginning of the year consumer trends. Were all about bike sharing scooter sharing and even chopper sharing and right now. That's of course no longer. All right thank you so much for listening today and everyday be sure to subscribe or follow your favorite APP. If you haven't already it helps make sure you get new episodes right on your phone for free. The newsworthy is ready for you to listen. Every weekday by four in the morning and as always you can read more about any of the news stories mentioned at Newsworthy. Dot Com slash. Show notes. We'll be back with more news tomorrow until then have a great day.
How To Protect Yourself Against the Coronavirus
"Despite all efforts the number of infections keeps rising with nearly three thousand new cases reported in the past twenty four hours over the weekend in a Boston student tested positive he returned from on just one day before Logan Airport started screening for the virus. This is how to and I'm Charles Duke as you might be able to hear a little sick at the moment which given the headlines Blinds right now got me thinking about an episode. We did last year called how to survive a pandemic at the time that we recorded that the threat of a pandemic was mostly the hypothetical but now across China tonight empty streets and CDs on alert. The deadly corona virus outbreak is spreading faster. Raising new concerns all all around the globe being told not to take their children to school. Ask By ten o'clock this morning. People are Standing Guard to keep outsiders from on coming in the new corona virus outbreak that began in central. China is causing a lot of panic. And that's in part because of how fast it's spreading the World Health Organization Asian has declared it a global health emergency and most experts say it looks increasingly like a pandemic of the almost twenty thousand people who are now infected over three hundred and sixty of them have died which is pretty scary though. It's also frightening is how panic can go viral online so easily. Hello Hello yes. A few nights ago I reached out to Jordan. Schneider Athena sow some friends of friends who live in Beijing. You're seeing these videos. It was coming out of Han of these nurses breaking down crying saying the world is ending. Like we can't do this anymore you know. They're really scary photos of just like bodies lying in hallways wiz And sort of medical services being completely overwhelmed. Yeah I'd say like the virus itself does not seem to be so deadly but the fact that the Chinese hospitals are short on medical supplies and availabilities that's really scary Jordan and the theme is a Beijing is hardly recognizable. Right now. There is a viral video that went around someone walking down one of the main thoroughfares in Beijing and there were just no cars which is a pretty surreal for a national capital. That has twenty million people in it. Most of the restaurants are closed. All the gyms are closed offices People are either working from home or not going into the office or just work has been canceled. Jordan and Athena left Beijing are actually in Malaysia at a hotel with a bunch of other Chinese citizens but the fear and suspicion of those who might have the virus is still very present for the past few days. We were staying at a hotel in Malaysia. We're every single guest was from China Fifteen of them were from Ruhan and the whole time like the whole talk of the of the of the guests at this hotel. was you know what's up with those Han people. We can tell them by their accent. We should stay away not sit next to them. There was an open. Buffet and people were sort of worried about eating in the same place as the as the guests so I think this is certainly something that is making people more suspicious of others. There's a lot we still don't know about the corona virus us and there's also a lot of misinformation out there. Maybe your mom keeps calling worried about you or you've heard that someone in your city has been infected and you're wondering what should you do right now. What what can you do to stay safe today? We're going to debunk few myths. And give you some real tips to protect protect yourself and your family after this quick break. We'll talk to a doctor who lived in China during the two thousand and three SARS outbreak. And who can tell you what you need to know in order to say safe eighth. Don't go anywhere. The Vanguard was founded on a simple but radical idea than an investment company can succeed because it puts investors first then guard is client owned you own their funds and the funds owned vanguard which means that vanguard is built to ensure that your interests will be the priority together vanguards thirty a million investors are changing the way the world invests visit vanguard dot com or talk to your financial advisor to learn more. How does it start like what's the what are the early warning signs is? Something's going on well. In China. The early warning signs tend to be rumors right. Because there's not a a vibrant independent press so you hear that there's a new disease circulating you hear. The people are dying eyeing. And that's what makes it scary and then you have to kind of roll back and figure out. Well how is this spreading. And how lethal is it really. This is Elizabeth Rosenthal a doctor who covered the SARS outbreak in China over a decade ago for the New York Times. She's written books about healthcare and today is the editor of Kaiser Health News. You you know it ended as a journalist. It's it's really wild because you're trying to get around the country where quarantines are being imposed and we wanted to go to the To the the hospital where SARS patients had been captain. So you do these trips and you have to be careful so let me ask as a as a mom so so as journalists journalists is a doctor you have one perspective but you were there with your kids and your husband right. How how old are your kids when you were there Well at the time of SARS they would have been eight and ten. Okay okay you know. my kids were at the International School in Beijing. And I would say probably half to two thirds of the kids families chose to to leap though or the whole families leave the country altogether. They left Beijing. Yeah okay you know there. There are various reasons why people make that choice right one. You worry That what's going to happen is what we're seeing now that you won't be able to get out if you wait too long so right. Better get out of dodge while we still can. Yeah you know as a physician. I felt like they were in a pretty safe space that I could control and and you know one of the high risk areas for transmitting disease is on airplanes right right or in airports. They're very crowded. There's recirculated air and we had in fact at our school. Had A mom gets sick on a famous flight from Hong unconquered Beijing. where seventeen people? I believe got infected from one person who had SARS. Oh my God so you know. Those enclosed spaces can be very high risk if you have a very sick person on board which apparently was the case in that flight but you know the more information comes out and the more you understand and about the virus the less scared you get but also I would say when there's too much half baked information then also fear and panic express and one thing I have to say as I watched the reporting on the corona virus. Now I'm not doing it. It bothers me a little bit. The people are called keep calling it. The deadly corona virus because by all indications it's not nearly as deadly as SARS. And do we say the deadly influenza flu ends virus will yes you know. People can die from a whole lot of viruses but we really have to keep things in perspective and I can tell you a world world where everyone walks around with masks and his paranoid about everyone else as was the case And when SARS was kind of a full blown problem in Beijing is really not a fun world to live yeah The remind remind me how how contagious and fatal was ours. Well SARS killed about ten percent percent of people who who were infected okay so pretty. High Mortality Rate Yeah and killed young people as well as old people so that's a little different than what we're seeing with corona virus most of the people who've died in the corona virus. I don't think anyone's died outside of China and most of them have been older had other conditions which means they're air kind of weakened. Anyway we all see these photos from China of everyone wearing masks on the street. It's really hard to get any infectious disease just when you're outdoors. It's in these tight in close spaces that you have to worry well and it's interesting. I mean here in New York. I read the subway system. And I've noticed I've seen more people with masks asks on. Yeah there's almost an feel terrible about this but there's almost this suspicious response to think like are they wingham asked because they're sick or are they suspicious. First of all the people around them in there were someone else's sick so I was on a plane At really at the height of the SARS epidemic or outbreak where It was mostly me an epidemiologist from the CDC and we all started wearing our mask because we knew at that point. You know. Planes were a high risk environment and then the the beverage cart came and we were like okay masks off now I would say I probably would have kept it on the guy next to me or the woman. Next me was was is coughing their brains out so let me ask you. What would you guys do everyday day to day that was different? What was the protections you guys put in place you know what was really important was what happened at the school for my kids? They said you know. Do not send your kid to school with any sickness at all and then they would do this handwashing Washington which they both are probably still sing the handwashing songs so they would wash their hands many many times a day at school and that was really important as site was what surprised me and I've known about you know good sanitation all that for years as a doctor but during those months of SARS no kid who stayed at that school got sick with anything it was like a miracle you know know know stomach. Bugs now know sniffles. I mean because everyone was really conscious of sanitary I stopped so let me ask this for folks who are listening who aren't in China who are trying to put this risk the reading in the paper everyday but corona virus of trying to put the risks in perspective and the the hallways of hospitals are jammed packed. And they have you know forty five cranes to try and build a hospital in ten days to to take care of the sick. It's hard to just say I'm GonNa Trust that things are going to be okay. How should listeners? Put this into context. And what should they do. Can I do the I'm Dr Yang Blue. I'm a doctor and You should wash your hands not panic because you have to understand that a lot of the reactions at the center of an outbreak have nothing thing to do with us. Your you know three thousand to six thousand miles away and some of the interventions you see going on in fact probably many of them are are just you know officials wanting to show that they're doing something you know you do what you can and I think for those of us in the US right now just remember you know the flu is your problem. Not the Corona Virus Wuhan. So you don't need to be panicked right now. It particularly if you're living here in the United States but coming up scientists will tell us what to do and more importantly what not to do if the corona rotavirus outbreak takes a. Turn for the worse. If you can't see the whole picture how can you tell what you're looking at. Microsoft dynamics three sixty five brings the data of your entire business together on one platform for manufacturing and logistics to customer analytics and sales and use. Ai To help you unlock better. Business Business Outcomes when you can see the whole picture you can create your own possibilities. Learn more at Microsoft dot com slash dynamics. This episode is brought to you by Ziprecruiter because hiring is challenging. But there's one place you can go where hiring is simple. It's fast vast smart. And that's Ziprecruiter take for instance Cafe Ultra Coo Dylan Moskowitz. Who spent a long time searching for a director of coffee but then Dylan switched to Ziprecruiter and he saw an immediate difference? 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Analytics squarespace is the all in one platform to build a beautiful online presence and to run your business. squarespace has everything you need to create a beautiful in modern websites. And you can showcase as your work using square spaces. Professional portfolio designs in square spaces powerful ECOMMERCE functionality. Let's yourself pretty much anything online. You can also grow and engage your audience with squarespace email campaigns other special features include analytics to help you grow in real time built in search optimization free insecure hosting in twenty four seven award-winning customer. Supports go to squarespace dot com slash code for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer Word Code to save ten in percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that squarespace dot com slash code. This is Dr. Tom ingles be and I am the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and I work on trying to prevent respond. Pandemics what what's your favorite pandemic endemic movie. I think the one that's probably relatively close To what could happen is the movie. Contagion don't talk to anyone. Don't touch anyone say away from other people. As the corona started to spread. People on social media began sharing clips of the twenty eleven movie contagion listen and streaming services began reporting a surge in the number of people watching the movie online pastor. I don't agree with everything that happened. But I think that they thought through how appendix would appear in the world. You know can I would move. Who from animals to people would slowly appear in various places? Got The rule of CDC pretty excuse me pretty right right are as low. So it's one thing for me to have a slight cough but when you're talking to a guy who travels the world fighting infectious diseases. Coughing is not what you WANNA hear. Here we doctoring. Be because he's been interested in this subject for a long time. I think as a kid I thought about epidemics and pandemics pandemics and about what kind of systems we had in place in our country and so it's always been a fascination mind. What are the reasons? I was really interested in talking to you. It was because A couple years ago right before Hurricane Sandy I remember being in the car with my wife and they were coming on the radio and they were saying look a hurricane's coming and and I turned to my my wife and I was like should we. Should we drive to New Jersey like and just go check into a hotel and both of us know that's crazy right like like we should clearly elite they would tell us if we needed to to flee New York and it was kind of this moment. I've thought about a lot since then because if something really bad does happen Luke how how do I actually prepare for in survive endemic. Yeah I think it's a IT'S A. It's a great question fair question I think some of the signs of seriousness are when healthcare workers. Get seriously ill or die from a disease. And that's that's something that health thirties in United States and around the world take very seriously. It's pretty theoretical. Discuss these kinds of questions when the epicenter of pandemic think is halfway across the world but one thing that Dr Ingles emphasizes that even if I hear about a pandemic spreading where I live I shouldn't head for the hills and I shouldn't panic panik rather I should shelter in place and be prepared and realize that these situations developed slowly so there's plenty of time to make good choices voices. It's not gonna be a moment where there's no pandemic and then suddenly there's a terrible pandemic and always lost. I think even early on on in big outbreaks. There are many moments of possible intervention. And there's GonNa be a lot of isolating people and a lot of potential quarantine nineteen if they can identify individuals who were directly exposed with infectious diseases. Things Mount slowly over time it takes perhaps four days seven days for someone to get symptoms from the person they were infected by the next thing you can do. In advance is to stock up on some basic necessities. Be Because you probably won't need them but it's always smart to have supplies on hand. In case of an emergency families should have a few days supply of water and food food in basements so that they can take care of themselves for a little while and have a plan in case you all are. Your family is if you've older people and they're moving around have a plan on and how you're going to communicate the problem with pandemics again is the time course is different. You know the pandemic that that that happened in one thousand nine hundred which longtime time ago with influenza that you know a year and a half to move around the world but what if the pandemic is raging in and you look out the window and you see this kid who look sick. This happens happens all the time in the movies right. You're inside and your best friend is knocking on the door with his family. And they they WANNA get in. Should you barricade yourself inside and just refused. I used to help I don't think that's a good idea. I don't think society is going to be completely breakdown around that and become kind of tribal to the point of families taking care of each other. You know fighting off others. I'm not saying that if somebody who's very obviously very sick should be brought back into your home would I would say is we should plan to do what we'd hope someone would do for our kids. There were a kid out there who looks sick calling along the ambulance wearing the right on a mask and gloves if you can it be a big mistake to not do anything. 'cause then that person is going to go around and and infect other people and then it grows and then the risk to your family is higher so it's in everyone's interest to try and get sick people pull cared for and not walking around infecting others. You just have to find a safest safest possible way to do that. And in remember the other thing is if this this disease sickens a third of US or half of us And one percent of those people die. which would be a tragedy Something along the line or two percent like nineteen eighteen. The other people who recover their immune. Yes they're ready. They can help people at that point so we should help people and the truth is we're going to know how to do that because there's GonNa be lots of of advice from government agencies and public officials about what to do and who to call if someone looks sick and society will continue. We'll still need truck drivers to continue delivering food and cashiers to help ring things up inside grocery stores. Maybe you'll wear a mask on your way to work but if everything changes overnight pandemic is actually going to be just one in a long list of problems that we're dealing with but that brings up the final question in the worst case scenario. How do we protect ourselves over time? Can we ever outrun something. Like the Corona Virus Pandemics I'm extra GONNA move around. They're gonNA move around the country they're gonNA move around the world that's the whole definition of a pandemic every year. A third of the world get sick from influence at fortunately. It's relatively mild illness but that goes to all the corners of the country. It doesn't stay just in the city and then spare a rural location the reform. What are the things that makes it hard? Is that when you hear about a disease like the corona virus this. There's this impulse to do something anything to feel like. You're actively responding and that impulse can actually be dangerous in fact long before. This outbreak of the Corona Virus Dr Angles be helped organize a simulation of a global pandemic crisis for a bunch of current and former government officials to see how they would handle it even then with experienced professional politicians. It did not go well. And so what. That exercise did was over series stories of mock National Security Council meetings they were presented a number of very difficult dilemmas and had to think through them together and make decisions about how they would respond so for example the discovery of cases of this new virus for which we have no vaccine and which is killing people We've we've discovered that virus in Germany Venezuela and the story and what is the proper response should the United States close travel and trade trade to those two countries to try and prevent the spread of disease into the country and on the one hand Polling in past outbreaks in the United States it shows that the American public strongly supports closing borders try and prevent disease from getting in on the other hand we know from science and public health. That closing borders never never ever has worked and the consequence of closing a border. Is that you interrupt the movement of scientists and people who can try and help and hand if you do take that action and then the United States gets a case do then risk the rest of the world saying we will now shut you out of moving in your people and goods around the world and to cascade it's like a domino effect and what's the right answer for the Germany events. The right answer is that we can do sensible. Oh screening at airports we can isolate people early. We can crash on vaccine development. Although it's still going to take probably years But we shouldn't take what we think is kind of the politically instinctively. The right move without understanding the public health and science shows. That's never helped before it could really I heard us. We've already seen this with krona virus in China in other countries. And so I asked. Dr Ingles be if so many of our first instincts are wrong. Then what should we be doing for people who are listening to show if they have a concern about a pandemic in the future what would they do and will they be able to get vaccine medicine and I think a call to their violators to say. Hey I'm tracking this issue. I I pay attention to this. I want you to support medicine in Vaccine Development in science around infectious disease. To make sure we don't deal with us. That's a good thing and I think you know people I think sometimes despair and say what is my voice GonNa do in a world. That's so so chaotic and politics is broken. I do think that relatively small numbers of people calling a legislator's office makes a difference. Call Your Congressman. That's Uh yeah that is one thing you can do. It's not obviously not the only thing you should do but it could be on your list. There's still a lot. We don't know about the corona virus but I had one more question for Dr Elizabeth Rosenthal like. Let's say we're not talking about corona virus. We're talking about virus. Excellence say it starts in the US and people looking up this podcast. What should they do to prepare? Like what what do you do at your home in Washington. DC I'm right now. Nothing okay okay you know nothing I I'm aware of what's going on in the world I read reliable news sources and You know if there were an outbreak epidemic. I would probably buy masks out of it not for this one for sure but if it was more serious I would have some son hand I would avoid you know. Public places that were enclosed. But you know the world is mostly filled with health not disease so you can make yourself a little crazy seeing you know the next killer virus around the corner so keep calm and carry on on and remember to wash your hands. Thanks to Dr Elizabeth Rosenthal Doctor. Tom Ingles P for all of their great advice. Here is hoping that none of us will have to ever use any of it and look for Dr Rosenthal's Ause Book in American sickness. How healthcare became big business? And how you can take it back. Also thank you Jordan Schneider and Athena sow who have a podcast named China Econ talk and finally. If you'd like to know what's applies you should have on hand and gets emergency go online to emergency DOT CDC DOT Gov. Do you have a big question that you're trying to find the answer to if so send us a note at how to its dot com And we might be able to help how to's executive producer is Derek. John Rachel Allen is our production assistant and mayor. Jacob is our engineer near our theme. Music is by Hanns Braun June. Thomas is a senior managing producer of podcasts. And Gabriel Roth editorial director for audio special. Thanks next to ashes Solutia and Sung Park. I'm Charles Duhig and I'm sick but thanks for listening.
DNB: The False Promise of Equity, Stephen Colbert Weeps, & How Stacey Abrams Herds Cattle & Builds Straw Men
"Dr thirty minutes forty five at three minutes for patriots jam packed with news of the day perspective of truth liberty and justice. This is monica perez. Brad brinkley our top story. We still do not know who will be the president on inauguration day january or you say that blasphemy are you arguing in favor of presumptive. President elect joe biden. That word presumptive was ever used by the media. Who if you had a shot. Every time you heard. President elect joe biden of course of the past three days. We'd all be dead. I might not be dead. But they're not even talking about the story. Maybe maybe you can. You can say i can last one more than most people. Probably but no. I had to make that up. i was like what. What should we be calling this guy. Because it's not for reals. It's not for sure and i did a little digging if you wanna hear some just little details. I meant so somebody had asked me if i thought if biden dies of covid or a assassination ever if carmela would take his place and it actually matters when and this is how i discovered that on. December fourteenth is electoral college day. Where the the votes are counted somewhere. All the freshman move in. Yeah it's see. Yes then there's congress which does have all the freshmen moving in. Probably around the day that they certify that moat on january sixth so before fourteenth. So my point i i thought was that. Why don't we just wait. Until december fourteenth to see if the electoral votes get counted. Like he biden. Can't do anything before then and i mean we've waited. There's no reason not to wait. It would be. It's kind of reckless of the mainstream media. Who has been given this tremendous responsibility. All other voices being suppressed mic drop again. It's like facebook just will not let him express his opinion about the election. I believe so so if they december fourteenth is when electoral college day and at that point if biden were die before that apparently the dnc could slot in a different name and hillary or kamala could be could be could be so. That's a little fishy though. But yeah they could do that. And then if it went to between electoral college day and the congressional certification day congress could swap out. This is what an article i read. Now it's not in the constitution. I don't think so. It's hard to be sure by the contingent election syria or is this different. It's different because it's not a tie. It's the person who got electoral. Votes is dead so so pelosi could actually switch some of the votes to the opposing candidate. But i think if she didn't it would become a la and then after that surgery could switch them to trump. Isn't that the craziest thing. That is the article i read. It said that and it said of course is unlikely. She would do that list she could and and you know. Maybe i don't know. I guess i should have dug a little bit more but i found it all very confusing in any case if it's after january six then and biden. Were to die before inauguration day at the end of the month comma would get it then. She is clear there was a story yesterday. Abou how biden is likely to be entering the white house during the dark. Winter the peak. Cove it in this country which that to me. Foreshadowed him catching covid. In my opinion which is another one of those possible ways to get kamla in there and we went through some of the possible ways call. My god doesn't covert cause mental illness. That's a story today. Had one in five people. A study at oxford university found are getting mental illness after getting kovic because of course it has nothing to do with being. Shut down for months at a time right. But they're using that to investigate a cure to figure out why they're getting covid so that they can then address the problem. Which tells me when you can identify anybody's having because of covid then you can lock them up. Yes there was what was it. Wasn't there something going on with bellamy. Fitzpatrick's partner who i think left england because of some crazy laws coming down about mental illness or mental health. And how you can if you're accused of having a mental illness of any kind. If you have any record of of treatment they can take your rights basically which is effectively true here. You have way fewer rights when health the issue like. Look at what. We're happening now. But i shouldn't have tried to change the subject. We've still got more on the election. Stuff for specifically oh. I did want to tell you the dark winter thing. So he keeps saying biden keeps saying dark winter. And we've been sent this. I don't know if you've read the whole thing but dark. Winter was a two thousand one simulation. Scenario thing run by johns hopkins. Tom ingles be who ran. Ventura one in in twenty one thousand nine hundred and was it was a joint exercise between johns hopkins which obviously as deep state is it goes and it's so deep state but it's not part of the government so that can be no transparency my opinion and they're the ones who trained sergey brin lady gaga and the core guy and zuckerberg but anyway they they it was a joint venture between them and a very high ranking members of the government. Us government and it was about bio weapon attack. And that to me. It is that foreshadowing of what phase two is really going to look like. That's what i've been concerned with from the beginning of this that all this preparation was in fact that preparation for something more. I don't want to say real and that saying cove it's not real i am saying the tests are skewed. There's problems with testing. The numbers are a bit. There's questions air but that the public was being trained to be ready for something. That might actually be a threat. 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Packs are all now available online at neighbor speeding dot com and that coupon code prop will get you ten percent off so be sure and check that out so another thing about biden who yesterday so yesterday we discovered this build back better dot com like an amazing url and many people told us including you. And i both found it that it was established it was bought purchased whatever in october twenty sixteen. So some people have speculated. It's me that kyle. Tim said maybe it was in preparation for hillary win. And this kind of stuff makes me think about how real it is. But i i have to say something so i had discovered this build back. Better dot com last night. When i was going through. I was like kind of catching up on. My tweets discovered that nomadic every man who is quite the sleuth and honest truth her milk backburner dot com by the way. We should tell because we talked about it in the patron fifteen. It's biden's policy website right as we go. Oh i didn't realize it was the patient fifteen. Yeah yeah okay. So yes. It's where instead of putting all platform out before the election. He put it out on on this piece of this website. Build back better. Which is a u n slogan. It's a world economic forum slogan they are funny montages visual montages audio montages of world leaders. All saying build back better. It's like the anthrax thing. It's like a montage because all over the green when he said yeah but what. I hadn't realized that's what i have to hat tip. Is that prior to me. Finding it nomadic every man who was purged. When i was with wordpress had don't a video and sent it to me which hearted but people should know this. I can't watch videos. I tweet at like midnight. Basically under the covers. I cannot watch video. Et tweet them at me so i didn't watch it. I was just like iheart to thank. You know. I heart to acknowledge so he probably thinks really honey. You figure that out anyway. I still haven't watched the video. But i'm sure it's because he's great and i just wanted to give a little hat tip this. Why can't listen to other people's podcast. Because then i always have to hat tip. Even if i didn't get it from them that they they beat me to it or whatever but what's in that thing the build back better. Dot com is this or even just generally this the theme from the left. Blm whatever they talk about equity equality and like an la they won't open up because of inequities. It's not advertised here. Anything but until the poor neighborhoods who are more heavily weighted. It's not just that they bring down the stats sat. There stats are more heavily weighted. So that the whole community cannot get left up. Pulled up until every part of it is above a certain wine for equity sake not for healthy but what i wanted to point out about this thinking about. Us like equity equality. What does that mean in. Sweden kind of had that good swedish friend who in her mind. There's only one party. I'm sure there's more than one party. But they all voted the same way. They're all fine with it. You didn't nobody really got away. From the average they had the same values the same history they almost had the same the same culture and all that kind of stuff and so they would vote like this. You couldn't get really rich. Couldn't get really poor. Everybody kinda put out the same effort and that was that and there were kind of happy with it if you try to do that here. We are melting pot. We celebrate multi cultural elitism if you even read the parable of the talents. It's like a perfect thing to us here. Where we all have different preferences and different abilities and that kind of makes the world around some people prefer leisure to work. Some people like consumer materialism whatever a lot of times. These cultural preferences are regional. Because if you're in a cold place you really value summer vacation somewhere else for your hot plays laze around. I worked so hard. That kind of thing in this place that would be very hard to have real equity to even define it and if you could define it you would have to impose it you know. The urban blue centers would impose it on the red places. We're where they would have a different idea of equality or equity and that's why the popular vote would be so tough here and i would take this one step further and say they don't even mean to have that equity that equality will because sweden pretty much had it and according to a very good friend who i believe her. Then they introduced this weird immigration policy or pattern where they took people from somalia and iraq. I mean there's a civil war or something like a civil war in ukraine right now. Were there a lot closer. They kind of look alike. They have some kind of commonalities there. You could have a less disruptive society if you needed people who were blue collar workers wherever bring them in from ukraine. But they didn't. They intentionally disrupted the thing that was working that they say they want so to me. This idea of equity and equality is intentionally designed to hold down not to build up the. It's you've talked about this many times. You pull the the goal post moves. Or whatever and i think back at growing up and kind of where they want it to pass the a or in the wake of women's live and that kind of thing they were talking about this idea that a woman was a slave your husband by staying home with her kids and of course what that did is it. Liberated women to become tax slaves and outsource the raising of their children. This was not an improvement. And that's a tour down something that may have had flaws but it replaced it with something completely different not not a liberation of women but an enslavement of us. All are you ready to try. Cbd products see why so many people swear by everything from cbd oil to body lotion to muscle. Rub true him. 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And you are going to get closer to seeing the shape of it all but i still you know i want to. I would love to believe. I'm just being stubborn about freedom and tradition or whatever but i don't think these people have good intentions at all well and equity is the standard then. You always have someone who you can use as the oppressed because equity is impossible. It's not possible for there to be equality of outcome because a lot of the ways that they evaluated is subjective. it's not an objective. Measurement of something they evaluated based on how people feel. And when you do that and then you say the standard is equity and you can always use that your oppressed. You're not getting equity therefore you need to come to me. And i can organize you as the oppressed. That's utopian vision. It can never be meet that gives them power through organization. That's such a great point. Because saying exactly what. I was trying to put my finger on yesterday. Is that if if the when you talk about material well-being even if some people would prefer to have leisure then money in the bank or whatever but if you were to measure it by material well-being you could quantify that in a in a world that has that can basically monetize anything. You could quantify it so it can't it can't be that because we could say okay. Just give them the money and they were even greater dignity or whatever exactly the respect revolution the standard. Then you can always say that. I feel slighted that to mention it's from within you and that's why they tear you down. That's why they tell you it's out of your control disempower you because you could. I mean look at these guys who give up all material. Things walk around in sandals robes. They are that they're the days are happy. There the oppressor miserable. They're the oppress exactly ghandi so to tell you about coal. Bears i wanna hear about. Joe biden was determined by the media to be the president. Did his first show since that happened. And he started the show off by popping champagne while singing along to the song celebrate. Good times come on celebrate good times come on spewing champagne all over his home office and then he picked up one of those t shirt canons that you might see a cheerleader hoisting at a basketball game firing up into the stands and starts firing t shirts at people crammed into his tiny office related disappear excited and that was those. Were the only smiles during this teen or so minute monologue. That was completely joke. Free your joke free monologue. No jokes were involved at all. He was very serious and very you know. His face was very serious toned in his speaking to the nation and after his little open salvatori moment there he got real with the crowd and he admitted that the saturday afternoon when him and his wife and he's gesturing to his wife is real. You remember you remember. We're right here in the house in front of the camera. You could see her occasionally she pops in every now and then and he said when we heard that quote any said joe. We heard that. Joe had had clinched electorial. He's on first name basis. I have to admit. I sat down here here on the porch and and i cried. He sat down he. He wept in relief over the election of joe biden. He didn't sleep because of waco. And okay see in the usa patriot act and all the things that we know about joe. He was so relieved. That this monster this mean donald trump was out of the office that he wept and then he went on to tell us mean things yet that this is exactly where he went. He talked about how great obama was. How mean trump was and then he goes on to talk about how trump is so mean that it affects him and he said this is a very telling quote he said he said that his job is to reflect the national tone and the national tone comes from the top. He said that verbatim. And i'm like. Wow that's are you revealing something here. What are you trying to say. But then he said. I have to be honest with you america. And he's very serious here again. No jokes involved. He says the past four years. I have told meaner jokes. Now i've ever told in my life and then he goes on to blame president trump on him being mean his joke. He didn't feel good being mean but he was mean because i was made in that reverberated throughout the country which calls him to be mean and tell me jokes and he said i. That is my responsibility partially but ultimately president trump is to blame for my terrible act for the past four year. He i i would. I would push back on that. I wouldn't say he told me jokes for the past years. I would say that. He told no jokes over the past four years and he just repeated. Cnn said he was a propagandist complete and utter sell out. He stopped being a comedian for years ago and began being a propagandist but then he goes into talking about how say. Yeah go disempowering. that is. You're not you're you're incapable of controlling your own right charles because some guy you do. Not like or respect is an asshole. Yeah exactly a bleep hole and he said that he just he spent all his time focusing on trump unease. He's happy he's not going to do that anymore. And he also said that he is happy that he can start believing things again because the past four years. I've been nothing but lies and disinformation and propaganda coming from trump. not from him trump. Did you see the clip. I think dean sentas. With mika. And joe complaining how how trump was basically controlling how people feel and what they think and then she says you know that's our job at least she's honest really like oh well. That's the that's the reaction. I had to this next interview because after coal bears really joke. Free heartfelt mon-. I mean he is hosting the late show and he's no. He doesn't even try to tell jokes anymore. he just somberly talks to the audience. 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He said she's a star of the democrat party whose get out the vote. Effort transformed the state of georgia. That's how introduced are they welcomed her out to the virtually welcomed her out and he credited her with giving the democrats the first win in georgia since ninety two which stacey let on that. She actually worked on the ninety two presidential election when she was in college. Last time. georgia one which is interesting. I really think they teed it up for her by having that film those films subsidies. I think there was a massive amount of of immigration into georgia and i feel like she did not she was placed there at a time when they were already orchestrating demographic change yes for us off put all that money all the people from all over the country all that money into the blue stuff for ossoff right. Remember like i believe that could have contributed to what she was riding absolutely and she gives an interesting answer that is very revealing. And how you might try and turn a state from red to blue or vice versa. Very indivisible like communist tactics that everybody uses i say communist. Because that's what we think of vladimir lenin and organizing and spreading criminal terror cells around the around the country and first of all he said so. Tell us how did you organize georgia. How did you organize georgia. And they spoke about it as though she were a cattle herder. How did you heard the cattle in georgia. How did you get all those sheep to do what you wanted enjoyed. I mean it really was demeaning and uppity the way that they talked about a very pretentious tone like. They think that they're better than everybody else. That's been the thing with the democrats especially as a. They are annoyed at the gop for not reining in the rabble. Because that's their job right so she says she starts off by saying that in two thousand ten. That's when she started this organizing efforts. She said she started to build. The infrastructure is focused on registration. That focused on recruiting and training staff and focused on making certain that we were in every single county so she's talking getting everybody registered building an infrastructure of people who are trained activists and having people located in every county so spreading out your reach of people who are blue in every county. That's already going be affecting the vote if you're putting infrastructure and she had these squads set up there for ten years and she said we repeated this cycle over and over again and then then she kind of leaves four a little bit skipped some of the good stuff and goes and then after doing this for eight years in two thousand eighteen. I this is what she said she said. I finally had all of the money. I needed to do everything that we ever wanted to do. I raised alone. Iris like she did it alone. Raised forty million dollars for my campaign and then after i lost which surprisingly she admitted we continued the fundraising efforts to keep this infrastructure of recruiting and training and spreading out into all the counties in place. And i want to read to you. She she mentioned says trusting. We've funded a bunch of other groups doing the same thing so a bunch of front organizations like fair fight georgia the new georgia project. And she says that she funded it. But i recognize that name because a new georgia project was founded in two thousand fifteen and george soros is one of the main people that was behind it and i pulled up an article from two thousand fifteen that elaborates on the plan that they had back then which we see come into fruition. Now go ahead. Don t think i that what she said about piggybacking on the governor to'real campaign that adds connects to two other themes that we've talked about one i just said and only just thought of was that the ossoff race which he lost maybe wasn't about him winning but about that kind of political machine being installed similarly her governor gubernatorial run which we never thought she meant to win really was similarly just putting that putting those big Building blocks in place as similar thought. When co bear started joking with her about beth. Republicans wish you were governor of georgia now. So you didn't have all this free time on your hands to organize georgia and take the entire state away from them and they had a good laugh about that from twenty fifteen. This is when she was starting to get all the money. She had already gotten half a million dollars from soros to fund her voter registration project. And the new georgia project and she said it's going to be. The new georgia project is going to be a constellation. And she talked about the new georgia project with colbert. A constellation of projects scattered throughout the state voter. Registration efforts are centered in six cities. Where according to one memo abrahams setup field officers with dozens of paid staffers. A series of smaller civic engagement projects are designed to push people to the polls. She hosted hackathon teams of computer. Programmers competed for forty eight hour periods to create applications. That made it easier to vote and she had five day. Training courses were applications had a crash course and becoming campaign operatives and the program was called blue be like blue an acronym b. l. u. e. I'm not sure. What the acronym means. But then she launched a series of citizen academies designed to demystify the public policy at local levels which was called the advocates for change institute and then she gave all these these these graduates incentive apple laptops so she's creating through bribery essentially paying. There's a lot bear i know. That's a lot to digest me. We should do a rock fan video really bringing together. All of the stacey. Abrams stuff and even some of the jon ossoff stop as we do every week. We drop a great rock video. And we're starting to put old shows up there to kind of populated for people. Want and you get access to other people's staff whitney web and sam tripoli people that we love but but one of the things that we had touched on before you had touched on before is how she does taylor her message the message to the audience to the point where it can be it can actually sound like she has two different policies depending on who. She's talking to so that thing about how to tell people to talk about the policies is really. I mean because i'm looking here for what's so bad about this. What she's doing. She just getting out the vote. No i think it's like when you had the individual people like snapping their fingers where it's them saying hey if we tell you to vote for an incarcerated undocumented person that who you don't even like you sit by the phone and wait for us to tell you to go do that and you don't do anything until we say that so it's highly controlled and manipulative. And i think it defeats the kind of purpose of any kind of argument for why democracy or democratic process is a good way to run. I mean it's it's a. it's it's really putting an extremely fine point on demagoguery. I think absolutely in what what this amounts to is. Similar to a terrorist cell network or a cell network. I should say cell network around the state and she puts people in these in every county. Thus changing the demographics of the county and then makes a call for equal representation in that county. This is what i think is happening when they empty out new york and la the really afford to siphon off a lot of people from those places and put them in other places and manipulate. That's why it got a little out of hand when ossoff raised so much out of state money and of course as libertarian. You have like well everything's okay. Yeah i get that anything is okay but you can't i also say libertarians. Die by the sword but they don't live by the sword. I'm not analyzing campaign finance rules. I don't do too much policy. Because i think it's i just think it's hopeless but but it's something to be aware of as a real. It's it certainly subverts. What is meant to be good about. Having people vote for their own government. And it's trying to force the change in policy by injecting the people that you want to change the demographics of these counties one more quick thing is that new georgia project has been in constant controversy says the day it opened. Its been sued before they. This is the platform that was used to organize georgia. And it should be investigated. 'cause she's involved in one other thing when asked about what it means to have comma harris there she. She created straw man. This is how this whole argument works. She said it's the having commas. Vp is a direct repudiation of this notion that women of color that people of color are limited in their scope and ambitions and accomplishments. Who is doing that. Who has that taliban now. This is a straw man. She builds so that she can knock it down and be the savior for. She is maddening. Yes she obviously madden's i try to limit my intake. So thank you very much for taking the bullet. I know that was d- some of the stuff. But she's in the news. They're talking about her efforts. I thought it was worth it to get some of the tactics and what she actually did out. There got a quick shout out. Cat kness when of A very active patrons if you go to the deep ball no each other and fair there is no. Tpp this no. The next one is what the twentieth something like that. I think that's right. I think that's right anyway. So she says simply stay strong. Everyone this too shall pass. Sadly i worry that that you know i worry like i want to say that too and i think it will and i'm fine with like however the election comes out. It's funny because people sweeps were were heckling. Me as if i cared about but i have a funny little comeback. I'll tell you in the patron fifteen about. When i was getting heckled for like boohoo lost and i will also tell you what i learned in my van halen tutorial this week we did women and children first. So get ready for that. I can't wait to hear about that. I love inhalant you really. 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DNB: Coronavirus Looms Over America, Implications of Weinstein Verdict, & WHO Praises China's Draconian Measures (2.25.20)
"This is your drive time. Newscast thirty minutes jam packed with news of the day from a perspective of truth liberty and justice. This is Monica Perez. I'm Brad basically. It's Mardi gras happy. Mardi gras happy Mardi Gras all. I've pretty interesting Mardi gras story. If you WANNA hear it real quick sure. Lay It on me when I was about eight years old. My brother played baseball at Georgia Tech. He was a lot older than me and he had a baseball tournament in Louisiana. So we went down to Mardi Gras and my parents for some reason. Thought it'd be a good idea to take an eight year old to Bourbon Street on Mardi Gras Mardi Gras holy. I with beads. I'm walking down. The street is an eight year old. I look up to the balcony. There's a girl pulling her shirt all the way. She has absolutely no contact with. Yeah the eight year old wine. First Time I've ever seen boobs really well. Maybe an movie. I'm talking to live action. Yeah Gotcha and she in shame starts to put her shirt back after making eye contact with an eight year old and then a little while later my mom had to pull me out of the front of a Strip club was over and I tell them I was totally you who were wrong. Though that chick had every right and we not shaming. You're joining the show. Yes I know she should have been like. What are you doing here? Here's why am higher. Keep going you do know what Mardi Gras is right. It's the time when eight-year-olds breast for the first time and other things to do they call it. Mardi gras adult. It's fat Tuesday in French Gras as fat. I guess Mardi is mayor. De Whatever is French Tuesday and it's because tomorrow is Ash Wednesday and that's the first day of lent and lent is when people give up and they're also rules back fast and abstinence like tomorrow. I can't eat meat or eat in between meals for exists a Catholic thing. It's a Catholic thing I think other Christian religions have. It's the forty days leading up to Easter. Okay so you kind of like yourself. Whatever out of respect for the crucifixion. All that so people go kind of crazy because they know and I mean this is like exactly my situation so the thing I love the most next actual human beings are cocktails delicious cocktails and I'm giving them up went. Yes I know and I have a blog. Monica mixes with all my beautiful cocktail pictures. I pay for recipes and I. I actually post so often to that that it alarms. My friends were like. Are you actually posting every time you're making one of these? Yes yes I am. So they'll be a terrible dearth of cocktail recipes for the next forty six days. Technically so tonight. I have to have as many cocktails can get so crazy on. That's what gets crazy on Mardi GRAS and I believe. I met my husband at his Mardi Gras Party. Really yes and I think I was the land women. St- I think so yes. I'm pretty sure the last woman standing I must say he was impressed selection process. It's leaving Las Vegas. You know WHO's like? Hey Mike. Yeah that really was kind of selection process anyway so but I guess with all that. Nudity and revelry tonight people will be maybe a little more subdued than usual as yesterday. We're going to switch gears. Gosh today's going to be a day when the corona virus spreads a lot because of the drunk into so. What did you name yesterday show which we do a lot of shows are DNB? We do a lot of shows so you and you're always give great titles but go fight if need to tell me what you name it to look and see. Yeah no I know because you're producing a lot of content here and things get lost in the sauce for this yesterday. So today is February. Twenty fifth for February twenty fourth last thing at the proper port dot com corona virus flashpoint. Yup so today in the Wall Street Journal. I'm reading your quote today. The large outbreaks outside China suggests that the epidemic has reached a tipping point. The global spread of the virus is inevitable. Some infectious disease experts. Say Right are we just like I head of this. So then after that after we did our. Dnb drive time news blast. We did a corona virus special report. Because we've gotten a lot of requests for hey now that my 401k just fell and the stock market crashed a thousand points in one day. That only the third time. It's happened in history. I think now that that is happening. This shit is real and what what were you saying about it? So we have covered it so much for sure covered it for a long probably two hours worth of material but in pieces so yesterday we did. I think like a forty five minute propaganda reports special report on the corona virus. You can find it at the proper dot com or propaganda report on any of your podcasting feeds and what we talked about was the events to o-on live simulation of a novel corona virus that was rolled out in October. I can't go over it. Every single time but suffice it to say it was run by Johns Hopkins Bill and Melinda Gates and the World Economic Forum and there were fifteen people there at the roundtable plus the administrators that included. A guy named. Tom ingles be the director of the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Mike Ryan the. Who's chief of health emergencies and various people from the UN's and school is that? Hey that's you just finance the school euchre. So these guys. There were fifteen people. In a couple of administrators maybe twenty people sitting at a round table conducting this eventual one for the purposes of waking people up to how the a pandemic would hit home and affect them and that they should get together and make agreements with governs. Blah Blah Blah. Okay so we did this special report yesterday. Just about how like the event to a one thing is weirdly rolling out in the real current a virus. Let's hope to God. It doesn't end the way that thing ended but part of it was a thirty to forty percent crash in the market. Sixty five million deaths which I think is not gonNA happen under any circumstances but the people get this so right after in that in that Article From The Wall Street Journal. That's the tipping point that paragraph the next part. I just tweeted a picture of my newspaper. And the next line is this is the next paragraph. I don't think it can be contained at this point said. Tom INGLES BE Director of the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. That's in today's Wall Street Journal. And then the next paragraph after that one is the W. H. O. Said it isn't clear whether a worldwide spread is inevitable. The virus could be contained develop a regular pattern of continual seasonal transmission or become a pandemic said Michael Ryan the. Who's chief of health emergencies? We can get a news conference. These are the guys who ran the simulation among people are the novel Corona Virus. Supposedly actually happened really. So tell me. Was this person Dr. Nancy looks like Meisner. Who said we're asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad? She's a CD official. And then she said it's not so much a question of if this will happen in this country anymore but a question of when this will happen in this country actually. She's a director of the National Center for Respiratory Diseases. So she the one who's asking us to prepare to tell a school. There's a CDs. I thought the person had to tell us go. Well she wasn't involved in the eventual one. What I'm saying is these people who are being quoted in the Wall Street Journal. To Day signaling. The tipping point are the two guys who ran the live simulation. I mean if they were for reels they could at least say. Hey man it's like it's like when you see these drills go live the shooting drills in like police chiefs unlike befuddled police chief said you know it's amazing like two weeks before the FBI came. And we did a live. Scenario of this exact thing. Like I'm I'm befuddled like the La Airport Shooting. The guys get up and they're just like it's amazing this really happened and then you see the FBI guy in the background like rolling his eyes. Like oh my gosh this guy so stupid. If these guys really didn't mean for that if they're really surprised that the connection they would've said you know amazingly we just ran a simulation of this and we are thinking about things we learned from it as you have suggested basically like did they learn nothing like why are they not even referencing it. Why are they still making the same mistakes? I could literally be I. It's just amazing. How every day has the exact same things same parallels one thing that they are pushing now is or I would say the event to a one thing was talking about stuff that we're short up stuff that we need to mobilize for push money on and one thing that I think is going to be. Emphasized is the need to have more tests to stockpile tests. There aren't enough tests. So they have they keep making errors over diagnosing. It I were. There's only like twelve test kits or something. Twelve states have test kits or something similar to what you're talking about kids because if they have the actual test kits. They can't grossly over diagnosis. It so when I WANNA see is year over year. Flu Cases Year over year deaths from flu year-over-year pneumonia cases and year over year deaths from pneumonia by country. So that if it's actually up by exactly the amount that we are being told Krona virus is then you could say. Oh this is something extra but if it's flat or if it's similar to last year's incidents of these diseases then you could safely say well you're clearly over diagnosing at including other causes of flu and pneumonia so that is a big source of the errors here and as you mentioned yesterday. The trump administration is asking Congress to approve roughly one point eight billion but up to two and a half billion mostly to develop a vaccine and protective gear stockpiling. Pelosi ear and Schumer. Say It's not enough. Say Schumer actually says government incompetence again event to a one theme another line straight out of events who wanted today's paper for weeks however it appeared that the virus was mostly contained that was straight out of events. Hula One. Nine nine for their for the flashpoint were there. They were watching. The flashpoint predicted the day. Which is amazing because it really was supposed to be in. May if it was really parallel but I was like I don't know man. Looks like they started those reports about the numbers going down and China about a week ago or so and that's when it started to disease has jumped as jumped overseas and now showing up with no connection to China. People scared. Well that is. The thing that they're saying is that it actually defines in the journal it says a pandemic is defined as widespread transmission on multiple continents with impacts on society whatever with impacts on society. I think a couple of things happened with the virus yesterday that I found interesting today. Iran has become a hotbed. It has the second most number of deaths outside of China and Iranian officials. Who was on television? Talking about the corona virus telling the latest updates appeared ill on television and has now tested positive for the corona virus and was standing next to other Iranian officials while appearing. Ill on national television. I expect this the potentially to increase where we see some public officials coming down with. I find it interesting that China and Iran to people that we are in heavy concentrated supposedly supposedly have the largest number of deaths coming out of their countries. The Iran thing. I'm telling you I just started awake when they played into that. Ukrainian plane being shot down thing and made fools of themselves. Whatever and I'm now my theory to beat that Sulejmani was killed by us. Four them because he was a true believer and those guys are a bunch of sellouts and that Iran is really there just to be our great Satan so that we can have our way with every place in between Israel and Iran so I think completely plays the game. I no longer think that we're actually that. They are really defending their people. Were actually trying to start a war with them. But you know who I think will die of corona virus who Harvey Weinstein Harvey Weinstein Virus. I think he might potentially. He's been having chest pains. I say Yeah Okay. Well offers at first. I thought it would be a heart attack so yesterday he was he was. He wasn't sentenced. Buddy was convicted and he was ordered to go to jail until the sentencing in a week. Or two so he jail rikers island. But then he was at the hospital and rikers island. 'cause he started having chest pains and then he was quickly transferred to Bellevue. Which is the Big Hospital in New York? Where I mean it's like probably like Jeffrey Epstein go to prison like they build his own little sweet there but the thought occurred to me because I just do not think that Harvey Weinstein is going to really just go. Serve hard time for this. I just can't see it. I just feel like this is somehow a game and that perhaps he will quote die of heart attack or corona virus that I really thought it was a heart attack and then end up on some island with a little facial reconstruction surgery with Jeffrey Epstein Sipping lolitas specials based on that testimony. He's going to have to do some reconstruction surgery of other parts of his body as well recognizable. Yeah I wonder how. Many nurses got groped during his hospital. Visit I don't know but I did notice that one very very common theme in the reporting on this Weinstein case is that is going to change. How we view and prosecute these kind of cases so it goes on and on about how there should no longer be expectations of evidence or her of behaviors. So a woman who continues to have a sexual relationship with him is reflecting a psychological phenomenon and that behavior other people impacting her credibility the lack of physical evidence. The amount of time that has passed. Where does happen all of these things should not hold the weight? We now see that. Juries will still convict someone even if all that stuff is against them. This is a victory for me too but I would say it's terrible because what it's doing is taking away. The SIDS reasonable doubt. It's doing what psychology and sociology. But in this case psychology always does which is telling us that we can't believe our own common sense that we can't believe the evidence of our own is that people act like they're your girlfriend really what you're doing is raping her and I feel like this kind of thing can be used just like. I've been observing internationally with this anticorruption efforts. If you WANNA take somebody out accused him of corruption and you could just bankrupt him in having to defend himself or take something that absolutely everybody does like every political leader oligarchy could be certainly many many many are guilty of corruption. Just like a lot of these guys are guilty of the casting couch. And then you get to pick and choose who you want to whom you want to prosecute for this stuff to take them out so this is again. A failure of the rule of law where the law is not applied evenly to everyone. It can be used as a political or even a business weapon. Yeah absolutely and that's what Metoo was all about. People were targeted based on politics as hit jobs that not to say that they didn't do things. Weinstein was legitimate. Was what do you mean what what why Weinstein's claim seem to be legitimate on the circus? Temp against him yes. I'm not sure I think it was casting couch stuff. I think it was gone to that lawyer who killed herself. I feel I regret it. He he I love him and I feel disgusting and I regret it and the lawyer reported it and said yes. He should not have done that. That's that's wrong. And then McGowan changed her story. I mean if you're to believe what the lawyer had reported and the lawyer ended up debt present ended up dead too. I must say and there was evidence in court. That would have convicted him. I'm saying no. I'm not saying that. I personally think that he probably did rape people. That's my that's my personal speculation of it. I don't think he's a good dude but I think you're right about the CO worst people and even in the case that he lost it. The woman who he was found guilty of quote raping said it was not physical force. Oh Yeah I know that. There's definitely there was people. Were women girlfriends with him. For extended period of time there was a quid pro quo. If you will possible to rape someone without using physical force I guess he was convicted. I guess you're right. That does definitely change the legal landscape of sexual crimes. I saw video yesterday of Ohio. I have one more thing. I want to get back to say this Ohio state case where these football players have been arrested and kicked off the team for raping a girl and their defense was that they got the girl on camera consenting and apparently they forced her to consent after the fact and she's crying. Oh that's probably not good evidence to present in your defense. However it sparked a conversation about should we be getting on camera consent prior to sex which was interesting because there is an episode of curb your enthusiasm about a week before we're Larry. David is having interaction with every time he goes to a woman. Who's like? Oh I don't know if I should touch you. And he and he goes. Do you mind if I put this camera and we we tell everybody in the camera that how far we're GonNa go and so he's like. I'm touching her her chest. Are you okay with that? And she's like yes. I'm okay with that and they're talking about APPS building APPs to do this type of stuff to be happy record. These sexual interactions from starts. I really don't know how this is going to go like. I definitely see how it can be used as a weapon against men and I and I do you believe that there is a kind of up ending in the business and power and I and I don't trust it as like really trying to get women to be and positions of power. I know that to get on a board. There's some board searches talking to a head hunter about this. Some board searches that they cannot interview anyone for board position. Who isn't a female? So regardless if you're it was kind of like what the the wrinkle in time director said about Stephen King like how dare you put merit above identity. And it's like well. It's you might actually need someone with the best merit and you shouldn't hold identity against someone and certainly on the margin if you want to just pick the person of the identity you prefer as long as it's an identity that it's okay to prefer you know that that that would work but so you see it and you see there. There is this actual transition transformation of the top of women taking positions being over promoted. It's called the Peter Principle where you get promoted and wrote a great job great job great job but your last promotion. You get promoted job. That's over your head so then you suck and fail and that is a big problem. And that's a problem that Thomas soul has brought up about affirmative action is that you get the star student and you put him in a school. That's just a little bit too hard for him and the and it comes down and then all of a sudden this kid who was really great and had a lot of confidence now is a failure or struggling and and because I believe it's predictable that will happen. I wonder if if this move to get women on the top like that arbitrarily is a way to to really concentrate power in like all hands something like that like just to to really concentrate money and power at the top. If even the highest levels of business are run by a political puppets or incompetent people who need a lot of back shadow hand holding. Who are really face jobs. I mean it. It's almost like carpet bagging. Maybe you know where you you think. Bet The person who's running the show is is one of you or is is a triumph for identity and really. It's just somebody who's who needs a lot of support and couldn't do without you and and then they are beholden to you so I don't know I feel like this. Yeah I feel Lake Gore or or dependent yeah yeah and compromising owned or I really don't know I got a little beyond where I speculate but for sure smell a rat with stuff and I do not think it's just a bunch of militant feminists winning. I do not think I don't even here. And we get this last corona virus thing. Yeah sorry about that. Real quick on the World Health Organization is praising China's efforts saying that they changed the course of the outbreak. One of the world health or ization guys. He was talking about how this was a rapidly spreading disease and they sent a team of twenty five people over to China to we want to study what China was doing and they came out and said it's the unanimous assessment of the team that China has changed the course of the outbreak. What was rapidly. Escalating has plateaued and income down faster than one would have expected saying that thousands hundreds of thousands of people in China did not get the corona virus because of China's response so in other words. They are promoting the draconian measures. Were they are literally tracking people everywhere? They go having their family out them if they cough having drones follow them around so as we spoke about an anticipated these measures are now being I would say sanctioned and if the outbreak spreads further. We're going to see this promoted and other countries possibly. That's those numbers. Obviously complete bull. You absolutely cannot no white right. That's funny because I was trying to figure out the significance of another article. I read an entire article and mentioned and other articles about Italy. Italy was the one country. Two just come down right away. Stop all travel from China. Quarantine like of all the European countries. They did all the right things within the parameters of social democracy of course and it's being hit the hardest and so I was like okay seems like the message. Here is even good government. Can't do it alone and I would say I'd incompetent government can't do it and a good government can't do it but a bad government can do it. I saw another article that was titled Corona Virus Will Be Harder to contain in a democracy. Are you kidding me no right now? No I liked the way he said titles. Instead of entitled crazy people say an articles entire course entitled to anything at wants exactly. The article is time. If you could find that I really try to find it. Awesome and terrible at the same time but I can tell you something. That is awesome and terrible at the same time. Actually now I think about it. Was that the election now. Last night was a big celebration of life in the staple center for Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gina which in Italian I really thought that was Jonah. But her her own mother said Jonah. So I stand corrected on that The only thing I will say. Is Vanessa Bryant? This was four weeks. I think to the day that her thirteen year old daughter and her husband slammed into the side of a mountain and helicopter with some other people and died. And she got up there and she eulogized them for tens of thousands of people. And you could say like she. I mean how she held it together. Now have say. I had a devastating experience which turned out actually to be fine lucky but when my son was born with Down's syndrome here's my first child and I did not know that he had not known ahead of time so I was never so shocked and devastated in my entire life and I looked inside. I think I've told you this before I looked inside myself to find like the bootstraps to grab hold of and pull myself up. And and all I saw I remember it. I remember just an entire just blackness as looked inside resolve and sought nothing but blackness. I couldn't even get dressed for three days. That's how bad it was and I think four weeks out your thirteen year old. I mean even if you think well maybe that guy gave her a hard time and she didn't really you know who knows what was going on your thirteen year old daughter. She gave that speech. I mean what dignity that check has and strength and I just overwhelmed with admiration and here. She's obviously not my style check. I mean she's like long fingernails are Harrison Front of her face. And I'm sure we would have no political overlap whatsoever. But you've got to give somebody there do she is. She's Iraq man and I was really moved by her Jordan spoke after her and he was crying he was Iraq. He was a mess. He made the comment about how he's given the world. Another Jordan crying is true. No I know I know I just you know. Now that's a triumph for me to that demonstrates kind of women who could win a war you know like that's the kind of that's the kind of woman behind the man and thing that there's no shame in and if that's your that's your all. I just liked to give people credit for what they. Yeah Yeah. She's really strong character. It would appear would appear anyway. Yeah she held it together fantastically. Maybe it was just a deep fake. Perhaps it was a deep fake maybe an AI generated fake. I think I know where you're going. I prefer to go to the store. The story how to psych windows. This is more relevant for the segway. I don't have a lot of things. A great segue new euros this story. We can hit that one tomorrow this okay. Betting markets for the debate. I've been following these and I think it's interesting. I think we start talking about the bet. Sit there promoting each time to have a debate or some other political event. There's this website called predicted dot org which is sponsored by all the all the regular people you know all the CNN and all the big networks. Everybody promotes this betting network. We talk about politics sports. This is politics a sports everything you can think of. You can gamble on when it comes to politics and the news in fact. I'm starting to expect that one day. I'm going to get how many people are going to get the corona virus and wear today. But that's going to be on the in the BLACKMAR illegal. Here's some of the bets that are being promoted for tonight's debate which we just had a debate as it. Yeah it's the same people. It's the same people as another debate just Bloomberg stand on a Box. Bloomberg going to be there. Maybe lock box. Lindsey Graham Lindsey Graham actually stands in stands on one he will not touch one though. So here's the predicted. Dot Com market. Will the debaters say Castro or Cuba? Which one will they say more? Because they're going to be Italian already Sanders Yeah forty-nine percent say Cuba it's weird. It's like buying stocks if most people are betting that he's GonNa say Cuba than that stock going to raise up seventy five percent as twenty-five dirt sway. Seventy five cents is twenty five wonder when you do that. I don't know how betting works in that. I think it works where it's the final thing so if you buy it early and you get better odds when you buy your when you place. Yes lock in your odds. The odds change at like post time because in bed in horse racing you get what the post time odds. You don't get the opposite you locked and I can tell you this yeah here. So here's what this from says. This says most speaking time for Democrats during the debate and forty nine cents is Bernie Sanders. Twenty six cents is Elizabeth Warren. So Elizabeth Warren has people think less people think she's GonNa have more speaking time so if you want to make money you can buy as much as you want for. Twenty six cents of Elizabeth Warren having the most even if that gets cheaper or more expensive. You've locked exact for what you bought. Yes and then. The other questions are least speaking. Time at sixty at sixty seven cents. Is Tom Styron at eighteen? Cents is Michael. Bloomberg then bowled on so Bloomberg isn't GonNa have the least Tom Steinmeier. I heard an ad of his where he says. The AD says we're GONNA KICK TRUMP'S S on the economy. My like that you know isn't vulgarity slows. At least plausibly have some spontaneous element to it. I heard scripted is ridiculous. It just you know. They've really ruin vulgarity. That I probably people that listen to US also listened to Ben Shapiro. I was listening to him. Probably some. There's probably small is probably some that. Listen to listen to him. So I don't know Ben. Shapiro is a virgin until I got married guy. He doesn't swear a religious guy on his show a couple of days ago he used asshole and he believed it out and it felt totally scripted. It felt totally the same thing that Bloomberg. And everybody else is doing forcing vulgarity. And I'm going we use vulgarity before vulgarity was I'm trying to quit Garrett Bowles getting sick closest I've ever come to. Quitting vulgarity is what I heard these guys say when I got here Anderson Cooper say Shit Hole. What Anderson Cooper set bullshit? I think it was two days ago during events. Yeah yeah here's the other ones that launches the trump crap movement right so debaters will say billionaire. Twenty eight cents for three times. So who do you think? Do they have the way the over-under on who's going to be the master debater? No these are the sales have the next one is debaters who will say African American at twenty four cents six debaters. Six candidates will and twenty cents. They think four of them will and then debaters that will say socialism or socialist twenty-seven sense say four of them will and twenty five cents. Three of them will so. This is sports. This is the arena the coliseum and they have now really monetize it in a shameful way. Although I'm going to dive into some of this I think I it's the why they're doing it. Why are they doing but interesting is the only way you're going to get people to watch it right. Yeah that's that's how it works sports. You're right. It's the only way you're going to get you the only way it's like. I watch on January first back when I was a kid. I didn't care about either teams but I always bet on them. And that's the only did I tell you about the Kentucky Derby so when we first moved to Atlanta my plumber. Who was a friend of mine? Used to come over. Even when there's nothing to do it was a real Baptist and my mother. Super Catholic just sits there for like four hours of their missile and a rosary and stuff like that but she loves horse racing so we got all the kids. I had little kids and all the all the kids came from. They were little kids to watch the Kentucky Derby with her and she gave them each she put a dollar in for each room and gave them each a number which their horseless so we have all these kids like. Five Year Olds. Eight year olds. Whatever just jumping up and down watching the Kentucky Derby seven come on seven. She tried to do it like what age you were. So we're looking for like two year olds and stuff this. The plumber is standing there. Like the sin. It's a sin is corrupting the youth. But those CA- there prob. I wouldn't be surprised if every one of those kids still watch the Kentucky Derby One of the Best Memories. I got secretariat. That's awesome. Oh Yeah I know. It's a paradox. Because she's such a good woman is built Kramer's Gambling Addiction Seinfeld. 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Tracking the COVID Third Wave (with Tom Inglesby)
"As of yesterday infections across the country topped eleven million one million of those cases were recorded. Just this past week alone including more than one hundred fifty six thousand on saturday. It took just over two weeks for the us to go from eight million cases to nine million. That was at the end of october. And then it took only ten days to go from nine million to ten million surgeon. General jerome warned in a tweet yesterday. That record cases over the past week will mean record high soon adding that communities and hospitals can not sustain high level care at this rate of increase right now. The death toll from coast to coast is nearing two hundred and fifty thousand people in minnesota star tribune yesterday. The obituary section took up ten and a half pages of the newspaper. Welcome in the bubble. This is andy silent. You just heard a rundown of the current situation in the us right now. We are in what some people are calling the third wave of covid nineteen. That's hitting us across the entire country in the fall and to just give a quick recap of what's going on before we get to our guest. It's probably the once again. We have somehow managed to land the ideal guest given the topic. Given the moment. It's time be from johns hopkins. Who is the director of center for health security there and he's going to give us a perspective on how we live through deal with his third wave as a country It's a mixed story. The story of the pandemic is that it is everywhere in one respect. I think it's no surprise We have done very little relative to other parts of the world to stop that from happening. Some cases it's because certain people just haven't been bothered and wanted to make an effort in some cases you know it's actually quite hard we've got people who are essential workers who despite their best efforts have been part of Spreading this virus part. It's because it's winter and we're all going indoors board. If you haven't listened to our winter episode from a week and a half ago i would strongly encourage you to do that and to pass that around because it's i know it's certainly made me feel Safer at its limited. The kinds of things I've wanted to do but we're all beginning to know people that are at least we are here at this lab at household who are getting covid. Nineteen absolutely no idea how they got. That have been very very safe. I urge you to not freak out. But i urge you to just be careful and the reason i think you can be comfortable doing so is because we have a really good sense that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. If you listened to our conversation eric topol last week a week ago. We talked about the coming vaccine from pfizer. There are more on the way including one from derna and these look like they're going to be highly effective scenes and so unless something goes wrong in the first half of the year things are going to begin to change for the better but for now. I think great care is warranted. It can happen to anybody So that's kind of message is that we have a very good piece of news but it's around a couple of corners. We're gonna have to turn a couple of corners to get there in those corners are dangerous more dangerous than we'd like them to be so. Let me tell you about tom and why we wanted him on the show. I think the johns hopkins for those of you who've been following this pandemic closely has been sort of the shadow. Cdc at a moment when the centers for disease control Has been politically compromised. Let's call it at times. Hopkins has been just phenomenal and caitlyn rivers. Who you've heard on our show before is one of the meteorologists. Their time is the boss. He runs a center. He's also professor at hopkins school of medicine. And he's been an adviser to governor hogan there and he's on the biden harris transition team. One more thing to note and for people who've come to this podcast more recently. If you're annoyed by all of the ads. I want you to understand that. If you don't know that we donate one hundred percent of the money that comes into from the ads to code relief funds. We've talked donated fifty thousand dollars. So i really appreciate you listening and i really love all of our sponsors. We try to make sure that they're relevant to you and interesting but they are also part of how we do that. So go backless mold episodes Get ready for thanksgiving. Hopefully it'll be a small one this year. let's bring up. Tom ingles be there. Tom are you on. See it's timely. Not a problem and just in terms of timing is three o'clock as time makes sense for you guys if not before. Yeah three of before. Okay for sure. That sounds good. I turn into a pumpkin at three. Unless i call people ahead of time. We'll get it. We'll get it done okay. We'll get it done. We may have some fun along. The way described this third wave that the country's going through right. Now how's it. How's it different than what we've seen so far so what's happening now around. The country is a much more rapid rise in cases than we've seen at any point since the started it's much more distributed than it was in march or even in summertime when it was really a number of states but across the south and the west. Now it's in the majority of states to varying degree. the rate of hospitalization rise is faster and the number of people. Hospitalized is higher than we've ever experienced in this pandemic and the number of people on ventilators is going up by one hundred or two hundred people a day not we haven't reached the same numbers of people ventilated as we had in march. But that's in part because of better clinical management and we're less were less likely to put it were more hesitant to get people on ventilators quickly because of the downside of that but overall i would. Those things are all happening in. A setting of many governor's making choices not to take steps to take policy steps. Which is again. It's very different from march. When at least we started. I think the country started in a similar place we started kind of it was shocking and fast but most places around the country shut themselves down to try and get control and we're not seeing that at this point so there's no real ceiling that we can hope of once we hit this number. We know that we're at the top and we're going to start coming back down again. It all depends on what we all do. So it's very frightening rise very different to some extent. I'm sure you're not at all surprised by what we're seeing and to some extent there may be surprises in here And i'm curious we call things out. I mean you know. By and large people are staying away from large crowds large events. You know some of the hospital places like bars are certainly still open in certain places. But there's a there's a higher awareness. Where do we think in and we hear now about small gatherings people's homes rural communities. Where do we think this is spreading. Now does this. Tell us something about how contagious this is that we didn't know before or is this simply a matter of indoors. Winter poor ventilation. It's hard to tease the teaser. The whole thing out which which portion of the problem is is attributed to what issue but We're definitely seeing more incidents. In within small gatherings and homes that's been documented. But i think it's still the case that we're seeing spread in workplace environments restaurants bars. I think one place for people who are listening that one place of good information is louie. Louisiana outbreak reporting dashboard. Just one example of their other states that do it too but if you look down at and you kind of look at where social gatherings fall it's in there but it small compared to religious institutions restaurants bars retail. I mean there's lots of places where spread has been documented. And so i think what. I absolutely agree with the guides. That's been given out about. It's time to really limit our gatherings. And i would have those limits speed small as possible less than ten but avoid gatherings bringing people together on the holiday sadly. But it's not just that. And i think we just need to make sure that we don't only move from one thing to the other indoor workplaces also clearly a risk if there are lots of people together people breathing the same air If it's poorly ventilated. So yeah. I think you know in terms of your question to you know what what's going on right now. Why is it different. It is because people are moving indoors most likely Less outdoor events more endured events. More people have come back to work indoor environments at work more people are gathering and taking risks I think you know in many states up until a few weeks ago. If you look at the closures many states were almost completely open. Really almost no restrictions. It's changed a lot in the last couple of weeks which is really good but If you put all those things together colder air people some people getting tired of what's going on policies that are very strong very unclear messages from the national government and from state governments. I think it's all contributed to now. It's rising at an exponential rate. We've take steps to stop it right. And i think the implication of the last thing you said the the exponential rate just means that it's more places so you know if you went to the grocery store in may or april There may have been if there were forty people in there. There may have been one or two people in in their in the last hour. Now if you go It could be dozens of people that have it. And so i think the chances just go up So this is sort of a self fulfilling prophecy back to talk about the rural communities in the hospitals for a second because there are confluence of factors. I i talked with mike. Dewine governor of ohio the day and he's really perplexed because he said and the. I don't know how to police. Small gatherings he has a mask mandate in ohio. You know. He tries to use his bully. Pulpit and always seems to do is anger people in the in these small towns and yet small town hospitals the for people who don't know some of them have you know eight. Icu beds and a couple of icu. Nurses and for most of the time. That's fine but environments like this. You know i've been calling around. And i know you guys collect a lot of data on on rural hospitals and it feels like we may be brewing for. I don't know the kind of crisis we see in developing countries. Yeah some of the data that we collect doesn't really even get to the difficulties of the rural rural hospitals because not just the number the absolute numbers going. But it's really what you said. Which is the is the ratio of beds to given part of the world or giving part of a city or community or state. And if if there's no real if it's a really minimal infrastructure then it's possible that that community will not be able to be cared for in that hospital will have to be moved either hours away or we just don't have enough you know we could. We could get to a point. I think it's hard for people to imagine it but we get to a point where doctors and nurses can't keep up with demand. We have many more ventilators now than we did in march that were made which is a very good thing but i think what we saw in new york city in march was that we did get close to running out of ventilators in variety of hospitals. But what was even what was happening. In addition was that many people who were sick enough to be on a ventilator. We're having to be cared for by doctors and nurses who never took care of ventilated patients. So they got a ventilator but they didn't get the care that they would normal american hospital because they were overwhelmed and that were on the edge of that happening now. I mean that's different way. A different form of the standard of care very similar. I think i've seen some data. And i can't recall exactly what it said. But but the number of people who are dying in small rural hospitals versus large academic centers Your odds are are much lower unfortunately in a in a rural hospital where where they just have less experience and and and all of medicine. Experience counts We we and we've learned a great deal one of the questions. I think a lot of people like you and like like myself been focused on is what will break through to the public any longer and and by the way many of the governors not not all some of them are bad actors had to say but but many of the governors are feeling the pinch pretty strongly yes not getting any federal support but also trying to figure out how to break through. There was a doctor the other day who said that he was taking care of people. In rural patients who include people were on on ventilators dying and denying that they had covert and the doctors masked up around the because they said i do not have code is real. There's certainly some of that. Although i'd like to think that's not the majority but there's there's there's everything between that and fatigue and and we've seen these deaths whole numbers right so much that maybe people are getting boring different to them and i've often felt that you somehow we need to get cameras in the hospitals into needs. Nurses faces because they are the spokespeople. What's going on in these sense of what works in breaking through. It's obviously questioned the president-elect's going to have to turn to answer for himself as well. Yeah i don't. I don't know the answer to that. I think i've seen some social science research. That says really. Sometimes you know when it's the death of know twenty people as versus. You know a thousand it can be more compelling to people. Because they can see those twenty people in one thousand becomes overwhelming in a statistic. Can people lose track. So one thing that i've seen i don't know if it works or not but i think it's important to remember the individuals who are sick and dying in hospital and those who died and so sharing stories of people just to make make people see that it was a person who had a real normal life or respect or wasn't second was younger was old but it's no longer here. I think those just reminding people that these are individuals and these are not statistics. I don't know if that will help. I think one thing that will break through the In the worst way is when people can't get care in their own communities or become frightened to go to the hospitals If they look at it they're hostile which they've always relied on and they they see it as a place where they're either gonna get covid or dodgers. Nurses won't be able to care for them because they're overwhelmed with covid patients. That might be a moment where people call for something else They start demanding something else. I think The people who aren't necessarily believing the bad news about covid are thinking not real in some way. I do think there are people who speak to them you know. They do have cultural leaders political leaders religious leaders. And i think if if those leaders made a change i think they would listen but i think if sometimes you know It sounds like i saw something today. Had said that A lot of the public health messaging really had not in any way impacted the election results and people who believe one thing. Stay that direction and didn't change so obviously we need to have all kinds of voices involved. It's not yet. That's one of the things that the that the vice president or president-elect that is clearly need need to do is get get all kinds of local voices in the community talking people's and listening and listening to people. 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We don't know how to slow down this wave and get things under control Just beyond our our our knowledge our ability set or option to behind curtain number two. We actually know what to do We're just having a hard time gathering the political social will etc to do those things it's number two and there's probably a little bit of one in the sense that we've never really been in this situation for modern times but we have seen all along what's benefactor. We've actually tried it a couple times in the us. We've had a couple of weeks and we've seen some khanna reactions. We've seen what happens when those kind of reactions and new policies are put in place this epidemic. We are able to drive this epidemic down. We saw on israel not very long ago. They had a cases that were out of control rods. That were out of control. They put in what. They called a national lockdown. But it really wasn't what we experienced in march. I think that term lockdown is so loaded. Than i even hate to repeat it. I think we should be more specific in terms of the actions that people talk about but they shut down large gatherings they limited smaller gatherings places where people are spreading the disease and within a couple of weeks to think it may have been between two and a half weeks or so. They started to see a dramatic decline in cases so they were in the middle of kind of their own. You know moment like we're in and they changed course pretty quickly but it took a national effort to unified effort and it was politically very unpopular but changed directions. It's not doesn't mean to say that they couldn't be back where we are again in another month but it's not confusing what we need to do. It's it's whether we can do it right. I had ed yangon from atlantic. We had facet in conversation in one of the things we talked about was. He's phenomenal is is you know are kind of relative. Success and privilege as a sort of island nation with all kinds of resources and the resulting lack of experience most specifically experience with pandemic and a highly infectious disease but also it spills over to some experience sacrificing experience. Going through difficult times and so forth whereas you know to take democratic republic of congo right. They've been through so many of these that you know this is like slow pitch right for some of the central african countries or certainly hong kong where tremendous amount of traffic coming in from china. But but they've been there done that and i have often referred to this as our starter bug sadly we are learning the hard way but by god. I hope that That we learn those lessons. How much do you think is is advert in. Do you think there's there's something else that's at work here why we are so much worse at this. I mean it's probably there. There are many reasons. But i think ed's definitely right that we are not used to these kinds of emerging infectious diseases. Rampaging around the country We haven't had to deal with event you know. We saw what we power reacted with. Only a few bullock cases. We didn't react well with that which disease that obviously much less of a concern about you know in terms of spread And i think We've a low tolerance for risk that on the one hand you know helped us or it kind of had reaction in in ebola which was over overreaction but now i think we've become kind of desensitized over time and i think compared to other parts of the world we've we've just had we've had less preparation and unfortunately i think the relationship between science and political leadership is very different in many parts of the world just for in this particular moment in time there just has been too much of a rift between public health science and political leadership. And i think it's just gotten this way off track. And i think there are many places in the world where that is the case. Just there's much more partnership pending glove this more functional. We'll have i think a pretty big Not to throw everything in the kitchen sink but a big divide in terms of race and income and job type so to the extent that. I've always believed that to some degree. To the extent that lower incomes and bypass populations are more impacted. That as other people felt safer they've been able to be less careful because like them. They don't know a lot of they haven't known a lot of people. Now that may be changing now But that's certainly our diversity in our inequality. I don't think our friend in a in a situation like this. I i completely agree i agree. I think you're you're definitely right. The essential workers who've been on the frontlines since the beginning of this who've been at highest risk are disproportionately people of color people who are at risk of severe disease also backgrounds. We have less access to medical care So i do think that parts of our society. Are i risk of severe outcome with covid than others and so i think it's probably been a little harder for parts of society to see how how terrible this up close and personal. Maybe can read about it. But they haven't seen it or experienced in the way that parts of america have right so let's talk about Kind of where. We're headed now Deeply we're we're talking on the day. That madeira release preliminary data a on. Its vaccine candidate and that data was showed about ninety four percent advocacy rate It's on the heels. Of course the pfizer drug it. We we have an an episode with with a eric topol. From last week where we were Just as is that came out So this is probably less surprised but certainly good news as you think about what this tells us about a how much we have laugh. What the future of this thing looks like what depends on and you know how how. How should that help us get through this next period of time i would say that the next three months we're going to be the most dangerous period of time we're going to have in this virus sadly it's a period of time when there's nobody running the store although you might argue that nobody's been running the store for quite a while but is that the case we do really have legitimate light at the end of the tunnel to look look forward to yet. We're not quite there yet. But we're close to saying we have light at the end of the tunnel. We have to see that actual data but the the least public announcements from pfizer Are very encouraging. I think they really exceeded in terms of efficacy of the vaccine exceeded expectations considerably exceeded them ninety percent and ninety four percent. That's really impressive. For vaccine the modern press release today says the vaccine is well tolerated. Relatively low side effect profile will have to see you know when we actually see the data but overall what we've seen publicly released has been very very encouraging. You're absolutely right though that even at the vaccine both vaccines one or one or both were authorized by you. Know a month from now and say that would be pretty fast but say it was a month from now It's still gonna take a lot of time to get people vaccinated. What pfizer has said is that they will be able to vaccinate twenty million people by the end of twenty if they can do that. That'd be fantastic but At twenty or thirty million people a month. Which i think they said the rate might be thirty million a month. That's still going to take us a while to get to the highest risk. Americans abc during on the starts to accelerate. That's good but i think you're right that in even the best case scenario it's going to be number of months probably three or four or five or ash. It depends on lots of things going right for us to get vaccinated right but we're talking about months. I mean look. My grandmother lived through a ten year. Depression yeah we live. We have through a year world war. I beat there. There are people that were in sadly in slave for generations. And so i wanna. I just wanna put our our sacrifice in perspective. I know people are going to our bummed out. There missing thanksgiving and i hope you do take him a lot of precautions giving but i hope people can start to feel like this isn't going to last forever that whether it's three months four months six months you know and it's not. It's not an undermining people simply your vaccine. When enough accidents have been given that this virus starts to find it very difficult to find a place to land and can we reasonably certain over the course of twenty twenty one. We're going to start to see that happen in a big way very high confidence. Would it would at this point not to happen. It would have to be Surprises at the end of trials that we didn't see coming at the public releases. Really don't support that. So i think it's very likely that over twenty twenty one probably in the first half of twenty twenty one by summertime. A lot of america will have had a chance to vaccinated. And as you say. You're exactly right that it doesn't take all of america to give vaccine if we can get sixty seventy percent of us vaccinated over that time period. That virus is going to slow down. Slow way down. It doesn't mean it's gone. We're going to have to live with the background. But we won't be doing any of these things anymore. We will have slowed. It'll it won't be like an overnight like on march. first were socialistic. Second we stop. But over time you'll become clear that it's safer and safer. And several be able to measure the percent positive test the incidents daily in a state right now in states across america. We're seeing forty fifty sixty more than one hundred cases per day per one hundred thousand people. Cdc says look. We really need to get to get in school safe again. We need to get down to single. Digits vaccine will help us get there but we need to do things in the meantime before we have vaccine right right right and we. We've talked about the swiss cheese approach and making sure that you take as many measures as possible. I think of it this way. I am big on trying to turn science into analogies. Because i was such a poor student but like right now like we have the presumption of guilt. Here's what i mean by that. If i ran into the street and you weren't wearing a mask i'd have to presume that you might have covid. Nineteen that's just the safest thing for me to assume because we've got so much community prevalent. No offense to you. Tom i really i think i think you're i'm guessing you're careful but the general assumption is. I'm going to presume you're guilty where we're going to have. We're going to flip to when we get these things contained and we are able to measure how much a community and testing. We'll be testing the water and sewage. Water will be able to assume in. Its innocence again. Meaning we'll be able to run into each other and say the chances of you being sick. They're not zero. But they're so marginally. Low that i don't have to make that assumption is still may choose to take some precautions. We may culturally make changes like as much or things of that nature but it will be a whole different game. That's a tipping point. I don't know if you agree with that analogy or not. But i really want to. Presume you innocent. Yeah i like that. I mean i really. I love the way of thinking about like that. And in addition to vaccine as you say we're going to be testing in different ways as more rapid testing becomes available. We'll be able to start. Screening people out earlier institutions institutions will feel safer. Some universities are already doing that really well so that the university bubble is pretty well protected and they can presume innocence. Each other. they still wear masks is still social distance. But in general you know. They're getting tested twice a week in many universities and and they're doing pretty well with that. Were don't go anywhere. We've gotta go earn some money to donate to charity. So let's help people through the next three months or so or since it's going to be the confluence of winter travel holidays the largest amount of community spread. We're likely to face you people who listen. I think are probably familiar with the traditional precautions and we know a number of people who are very careful because they're friends of ours we know them and their reasons for careful who now gotten cove it who believed they've been careful can't trace back where they got it. I i literally went through last night. Someone who was a who is in an obama cabinet who has actually been shower and ernie dunkin Careful you saw that. Yeah and he. He can't for the life of him think of a thing that he did where he would have been exposed. It's a little frightening for people to think about but but it's also not pulling any punches. It's a warning that it can take one outing. I suppose or one when event so with without driving people crazy. Only what's possible. What advice should we give people for. The next few months in general i would i would. I would avoid indoor spaces just like you just said unless you really need to be there. I think we all have. We all have a risk budget if you think about your life. How many risks are you willing to take Anything could do it but if you do ten of those things then you ten times the risk if you do tend indoor meetings then you know having one where you need to go That's one level but thinking about it each time. Do i really need to take the risk of being in this indoor space with other people i think that really unfortunately in most places in the country not all but most places in the country this point would include probably endure restaurants and bars I think i'm hopeful that we can find a way to compensate. People whose businesses are really crushed by this. But i think it is going to be in many places most places probably dangerous or at high risk of transmission in restaurants and bars and i think avoiding family gatherings unfortunately when lots of people are together sadly i think for these holidays. Hopefully he's the last two big holidays that families have to deal with this christmas and were the december holidays christmas holiday and thanksgiving and then You know the usual that we talk about avoiding rallies Physical distancing kind of things. We were talking about all along surprises. So i i get crazy idea that i talk it if you governors about and if you say it's about to they get real time column bonds so getting a statement. Penalties stated municipalities to issue bonds There would be generally bonds that public would buy and it would pay a kind of a standard interest rate And we'd go really to paying not just bars bars restaurants small businesses gyms etc to stay closed because frankly the federal government should have been doing this and the the us senate has failed. I mean let's just be very blunt we're about to put out an bed. Which says that states can use the revenue raising authority. And it's a little bit different in each state. And that if you bought these bonds you would also get fifteen percent discounts and these and these bars restaurants and establishments when they open as kind of a thank you. Heidi idea clever. No because everybody's talking about this kind of the lack of support for businesses that are going to be crushed and and the lack of federal movement on it and so coming up with an idea where stay actually take its own action. And that's really clever. I don't know enough about economics. Actually work but i. I love the idea of thinking of new ways to do it. Yeah i know we've got to be created we we. We addressed the war. We were bonds. I mean we can be creative ways to get through things. There's no excuse. For my my opinion. I just say in my opinion excuse for the for the federal congress not to have taken certain supportive actions one of them is that the other of course unemployment but the third and i know what you think about this but paid family leave like we are absolutely. I've talked to more people who have had to go back into the workplace tip or not doesn't matter because they they just can't afford to take care of their families if they're not if they're not working and we can't do that to people i mean that's also when you're talking about what's difference between the us many places in the world. I think many other highly developed countries have that in place. And so it's really. It's a standout that we don't and that people could possibly be pressured to go to work when they got a fever. Joining covid were symptoms during covert. Or you know it just makes no sense at all but that's where we are right. In fact in my book. I have a couple of conversations with people who said you can only way you can get paid is if you have a positive cova test in april when there were was were testing available so that we call back and said i am. I can't get a covert test or my father that has it. I'm in contact with him. And i feel a little systematic. Sorry without a code test. We can't pay you and so they went without pay because we didn't have enough testing. There's so many of those stories that we uncovered that are just things. We're doing wrong things. We gotta fix about ourselves. So you are. You are named to the Biden transition team. And i'm not gonna speak for the transition team. In fact next monday show vivek murthy on who is part of the task force but let me just make a statement when you don't need to respond to thank god. You're on their team guide. You are in that position and others but the number of quality people who understand this issue well and you know you're you're the top of that list that are going to bring kind of the full weight and energy of your thinking and your ability to act and the things you've was because think i think what you guys have done at hopkins just simply been sitting back in opining you've been out very assertively learning things telling the story putting out papers putting out thoughts and feelings of gaps. We've had as a country. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for serving this way. I think it's gonna be a great to have you there. Oh that's so nice to say. Thank you so much blah john i as you see the less. It's incredible people. So i'm excited to do whatever i can. And for those who make the tie we've had on the show a couple of times caitlyn rivers. Who has been in our game. Show safer unsafe. She's the all time champion of that game and she's so people if they like kaelin then then gets in. Thomas thought maybe to close out you give us a little bit of a sense of of the work. You're doing at hopkins a little bit about your center and what you do there and and you wanna share sure. Yeah so our center get started by a guy named da away aways back and he was smallpox eradication program for the world health organization is incredible public health leader for the century and he was worried about the country not really having systems in place. People in place to deal with epidemics started our center. And that's what we do. We focus on trying to prevent and respond to and prepare for big academics and we have people like their doctors. Have i'll just like caitlyn or former government officials scientists and we try and identify problems. That are either not working or not surfaced and figure out you know trying to contribute to their solutions so in covid. We've tried kind of identify things that are coming and then you know. Put a team around them. Go after that particular facet of a covid problem and then if possible trying to develop either guidance or new idea or or explain something that seems like it's being garbled and so we work in teams of people. We'd go after problems right now if we have a group of people trying to develop the best possible guidance around your ventilation. There's a lot of technical guidance. What is the average person supposed to do. What's you know. How governments role with that. What federal policy would be useful to a number of really good people thinking about that talking to experts around the country trying to bring things together. We have another group working on. Vaccine safety issues What's the federal probe. What's the plan right. now what's missing. What would policymakers like to not try and help patched the holes so that's the kind of work that we do during covid. We got really incredible people. How did you decide to play such a prominent role. And how did you decide on the things to take on. Because in in some respects. And i don't think this is exactly the right way to say it. But she became sort of A shadow cdc for a while you were sort of become the definitive source. For information that an enormous periods i think would have been sourced the cdc sourced to hopkins. And certainly. when i was asked recently where should i go for information whereas reliable You know my my my stock answer. Is you know. Find two or three places that give you two or three types of information find places that disclosed their biases find places. That are honest about what they know. And don't know and hopkins thank you. That's very she was since we focus on these issues kinda day in day out it. Was you know we were kind of paying attention to the beginning of january. And then they're just a number of ideas came from the group what we might take on what we problems that we thought we can help solve and we have a pretty good structure so that we fund raise as a group. We kinda act as a as a pretty. You know we've worked together for a long time. So was not too hard for us to shift into gear and work as a team to try find problems and go after them during covid and nothing more compelling right now obviously nothing more important than try and get this feared out. Well thank you for the role that you've you've been playing we'll have links up to all the information that you guys put out on our on our show notes. Thank you also for the role that you're playing now and i'm sure they're all that you will play in the future and i think particularly as we think through the lessons here and how we you know we make ourselves a better country because i i don't think building about a public health system is entirely just the answer. How avoid this again. I think it's some of the things about our country that that we need to have real conversations about and and move into. Well thank you for me to say. Thank you for doing everything you've been doing. I mean you've been from the very beginning you've been thinking about what people would need for contact tracing you've been leading others to try and speak to to our lawmakers you've been a force in social media and communicating in this show. I've been i've been looking for my invite to the show. I didn't hang out with you for now. So thank you for having me. Thank you for doing this. I think it really speaks to people it. It really helps translate concepts to things that everybody can hear scrape. You appreciate it. Thank you for listening in. Let me tell you what episodes are head. Because i think you'll like the work. We've got planned monday. We have an episode with the chair of biden's task force on the transition. Vivek murthy vivek is a former surgeon. General good friend of mine. He's going to tell us how they're approaching this transition. Great fun then. We have a thanksgiving episode Surprise you can play that whether you should have been otherwise. Been playing a game with touch football. You can listen to our thanksgiving episode instead and then following that we have a couple of i think very important episodes one with a. She's jar from brown. You've seen she's all over the tv is one of the leading authorities on this pandemic. he's great and then a exciting toolkit episode on vaccine distribution. Because it will be time to begin talking about how and where vaccines are distributed where you can get yours what to expect how. All that stuff's going to work that's it. Thanks for sticking with me. I hope you have a fantastic rest of the week. Thanks for listening in the bubble hope rate as highly where a production of lemonade media chrissy. Ps and alex mccowan produced a show. Our mix is by curie of my sons acts lavish is emeritus co host. An onsite producer improved by the much. Better lana slavic. I wife jessica. Cordova crammer woodall's wax still prove our lives and executive produced. The show and our theme was composed by dan ballade and oliver hill and additional music. By in you can find out more about our show on social media at lemon adam media and you can find me at a slap at on twitter or at andy slavic on instagram. If you like what you heard today most importantly please tell your friends to come. Listen but still tell him to distance or with a mask and pleased pleased safe chair some joy and we will get through this together. Hashtag stay home.
May 12, 2020
"Stay tuned after the show for a message from United Health Group. It is day morning. I'm Anna Palmer. And welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing. And I'm Jay Sherman. This is the read. The fine print presidency president. Donald Trump stood in the Rose Garden Monday inside his Cova. Nineteenth strategy is save hundreds of thousands of lives in every generation. He said through every challenge and hardship and danger. America has risen to the task. We have met the moment. And we have prevailed. The president said it seemed like a grand pronouncement. Another mission accomplished moment from an administration eager to move on from the pain of the corona virus to reopening America and revving the engine of the stalled economy but when pressed on exactly what he meant trump said he was simply talking about the administration's testing strategy prevailed on testings what I'm referring to he said similarly the president again said that any American who wants to be tested for Cova nineteen can be when pressed. He stuck to that on Monday but when he turned the microphone over to testings are Admiral Brett Gur. He added a caveat. Your symptomatic with respiratory illness. You can get a test. The White House trumpeted that the US has the most has in the world but as a New York Times points out. They ignored really failures to provide testing that. Allow the virus to spread invisibly for months plus are many countries that have more tests per capita than the United States including Canada Germany Russia Spain Switzerland and twenty other nations for the New York Times with two positive covert testing the White House. The administration trumpeted that now masks will be required around the West Wing but the president. He was exempt from that rule for the Washington. Post the post also notes quote a sign of the haphazard effort to impose more stringent safety standards inside the White House one administration official and several other. Aides were arguing. That masks were still unnecessary for people. Getting regular testing just moments before the memo was sent every administration spins but this administration is trying to will. It's reality into existence and we've got a new sneak. Peek Joe Biden is expected to use an appearance this morning on Good Morning America to call for an inspector general to investigate every stimulus loan given to every big company or political insider. The Biden campaign will release a video as well of Biden talking about this plan. This echoes of the two thousand nine stimulus. When Republicans targeted the Obama Administration for loans made under the American recovery and Reinvestment Act and Jaba may eleventh on the record from the NRC see via if the economy continues to crater? I think that presents serious problems for the president said Michael McAdams the press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee the House. Gop's campaign are the California twenty five special but loss Angeles County seat Katie Hill. Vacated is tonight Mike Garcia the Republican and Democrat Christy Smith appeared being neck and neck gift. Republicans CAN UPSET. Dem's here it will be the only seat today. Hold that Hillary Clinton won with over fifty percent of the vote. And you'll hear a lot of if we can win here we could win anywhere talk from the GOP. If the DEM's win they will say it's proof. Positive that they can win and will win in swing districts also today the New York Times scoops it. Anthony FAUCI is planning to use his Senate help. Hearing today to say Americans would experience doing in death if the US Open's prematurely at the same time the Wall Street Journal's reporting the Deborah Burke sent an email last week two senior colleagues that the way the trump administration initially distributed samples of rim. Davir shouldn't happen again. And this is new the select subcommittee on the corona virus will hold its first briefing Wednesday at three PM. Weaknesses include former. Fda Commissioner Scott Gottlieb and mark McClellan Joh-. Tom INGLES and George. Benjamin dynamic to watch for the administration doesn't participate in these hearings. It could be cool for Democrats and President. Trump's opponents they will turn it into televise stage dump all over the administration's Corona virus response. Marc Caputo at Alex is that note that trump. Rnc narrowly outraged Joe Biden and the Democrats in April. Rnc raised sixty one point seven million dollars while Democrats took in sixty point. Five million and the post has a look at the full start that happened with trump's plans to head to Pennsylvania last week the administration had wanted a visit from the president to a plant that produces p materials but that got scuttled after. Plant officials expressed concerns about health. Risks Burgess Everett and Heather caygill report that Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell is brushing off speaker. Nancy Pelosi's latest relief package. Melatonin Burgess. Ever have a piece on Mark Meadows. Getting good marks from his former colleagues is he found his inner pragmatist at the White House. Chief of staff. Here's is on tap for trump's Tuesday. The president will meet with Republican senators in the White House at four. Pm White House Press Secretary. Keenly mcenaney will brief it to subscribe to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook the United Health Foundation is collaborating with the Aarp Foundation to help address food insecurity and social isolation among older Americans impacted by the coveted nineteen pandemic through a five million dollar collaboration the United Health Foundation and the Aarp Foundation will serve more than one million seniors in delivering meals and providing tools to increase social connection learn more at U. H. G. Dot Com.
NPR News: 06-21-2020 6PM ET
"Live from NPR News Janine herbst, the number of corona virus cases is climbing across more than twenty states mostly in the south, and the West as NPR's Joel rose reports that has public health experts worried. The growing number of cases may partly reflect an increase in testing, according to Dr Tom. INGLES be the director of the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins University, but ingles be says it also reflects a real increase in cases and hospitalizations, particularly in Sunbelt states like Arizona Texas Florida and the Carolinas. That's not just because we're doing more testing in a state that's because there is more serious disease in a state speaking on Fox News Sunday ingles be said those states. States do not need to go back into lockdown right now, but he said state leaders should encourage their residents to slow the spread of the virus by avoiding large public gatherings, covering their faces and washing their hands frequently. Joel rose NPR news. Washington and they're more than two point. Two Million Corona virus infections in the US according to data from Johns Hopkins University and Nearly One Hundred Thou- twenty thousand death this as several major cities relaxed some corona virus restrictions starting tomorrow. Police in the Dutch capital used cannons and officers on horseback to break up protests against corona virus confinement measures TERI Schultz reports, Hegg authorities had prohibited the gathering health grounds. Thousands of demonstrators Defied Hague Mayor Johan rookies ban on holding the event organized to criticize the government's handling of the condemning. Authorities Clinton gave permission to hold a short demonstration provided participants observed social distancing and left immediately when that didn't happen. Police brought in water cannons and mounted officers to disperse. Officers shut down the central train station and blocked off the downtown to stop marchers from entering the city center, a similar protest in. was also banned for health reasons for NPR news I'm Teri Schultz more than a thousand employees at a meat processing plant of tested positive for the virus Jeremy as as me, Nicholson reports authorities have put the entire staff in quarantine, and they brought in the army to help. Bundeswehr soldiers have been assisting with onsite testing and contact tracing at an abattoir in the western city of goods Lou many of the six thousand five hundred employees now under quarantine US seasonal migrant workers from Romania and Bulgaria living in temporary accommodation. This is one of several covert nineteen outbreaks reported at German slaughterhouses, and as a result working conditions within the meat industry, a- coming under increased scrutiny state premier of North. rhine-westphalia arm in La Chech- says he's confident. The outbreak can be contained, but once he can't rule out the reintroduction of a comprehensive regional. Knock down. The shaft was recently criticized for pushing to ease lockdown restrictions early on for NPR. News I'm as me Nicholson in Berlin. And you're listening to NPR news. In. South Africa a group of men celebrated father's Day today by marching on government offices in Pretoria to deliver a petition against gender-based Violence Ishmael phone. Deco has more from Harari. More than two thousand nine hundred women were murdered in south. Africa from two thousand, seventeen to two thousand, eighteen, more than one hundred rapes were reported every day. These grim statistics prompted the men to petition the government to do more to protect women President Cyril Ramaphosa now says the government is multi million dollar emergency plan to address what he calls a second pandemic. We now have a national strategic plan to guide countries national effort against gender-based violence. There's been a spike in the number of. And other forms of violence against women and children during covid nineteen hundred used lockdown for NPR news I am is. In Harari. The was in Russia, start arms control talks in Vienna, tomorrow. As a key nuclear weapons, treaty expires soon the state. Department says the envoys will discuss the new strategic arms. Reduction Treaty that limits the number of nuclear weapons at the world's largest nuclear powers can deploy Moscow is offering to extend the treaty which does expire in February president trump wants point in China to join any new accord, but Beijing has only a fraction of weapons held by Russia in the US and has rejected the invitation I'm Janine herbst NPR news.
Alarming Data Show a Third Wave of COVID-19 Is About to Hit the U.S.
"Brought to you by lucky charms magical mission, let lucky the Leprechaun take you and your kids on an interactive adventure through the eight magical charm lands to restore magic available on your smart. Speaker just say open lucky charms, magical mission or search for it wherever you listen to podcasts. Alarming data show a third wave of covid nineteen is about to hit the US by Chris Wilson and Jeffrey Kluger. There are few things as powerful as avoidance learning touch a hot stove wants and you're not likely to do it again, cross against the light and almost get hit by a car and you're going to be a lot more careful the next time. But when it comes to the US response to covid nineteen, not so much you'd have thought that the site of overflow hospital tents and refrigerated trucks to hold victim's bodies. In New, York would have been enough to scare us all straight in mid. March and early. April when infection rates peaked at thirty, two thousand new cases day or nearly ten cases per one hundred, thousand residents making social, distancing mask, wearing and handwashing all universal practices. But shortly after that peak, the warm weather arrived and several states cautiously reopened some public spaces for Memorial Day that as we wrote at the time quickly led to distressing signs of upticks in several states pushing national rate marginally north again by the end of June the rolling average of new cases per day had. Far exceeded the April peak prompting some states to pull back their reopening plans, but the damage had been done by mid July second wave peaked at over twice the value of the first exceeding sixty, seven thousand cases per day more than twenty cases per capita. There was good news buried in that bad news however after the peak was reached, the decline was at least quicker and more precipitous than it was the first time. But now for the worst news heading into the fall and winter, there are. Clear signs of a third resurgence, bearing a close resemblance to what we saw early. June. Since the most recent and Nadya on September ninth when the national rate was at thirty, four, thousand, three, hundred cases a day still a notch above the April peak cases have risen to forty, five, thousand, three, hundred, a day, a thirty, two percent increase. The numbers paint alarmingly familiar picture that spells trouble ahead despite President Donald Trump's repeated but false assertions that the country is rounding the final turn on the pandemic. The latest information is that ninety percent of the country has not yet been exposed to the virus says Dr. Tom. INGLES BE Director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security at the Bloomberg School of Public Health the virus hasn't changed and has the capacity to spread rapidly. If given the chance, it's now getting that chance the politicization of mask wearing conflicting guidelines from. The White, house. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration and state and local policies that contribute to viral transmission are helping to do the diseases work for it. A single and coordinated strategy might have brought us to a different place says Dr John Samit Dean of the Colorado School of public health even within some states, counties may proceed independently. There is wide variation in the credence given to misinformation some sourced from the administration and even the president. Some its own state offers a vivid example of the rise of the third wave with its graphs and spring forming a stark three peaked mountain range not unlike of you might find while hiking in the Colorado rockies in some ways. However, Colorado is an outlier in. The new wave or at least lies at its very vanguard. The first wave hit hardest in the northeast the second in the south and the West now, even as cases balloon in the south again, driven in large part by Texas and Florida the Midwest has surpassed the West in cases with dramatic spikes from Wisconsin and Minnesota to the DAKOTAS and down to Utah and Wyoming. At a more granular level, the geographic trends become even clearer. There are more than three thousand counties or county equivalents like parishes in the US almost all of which report individual daily figures for new covid nineteen positive tests breaking them down into three categories, small medium, and large each with about a third of the US population reveals that the sixty two largest counties which are home to one hundred and ten million people were responsible for more cases than either of the other two categories through mid August. Now, the story has flipped with the block of smallest counties encompassing the same number of total people, but distributed across a much larger more rural geography contributing the most new cases given these are rural areas. Behaviors of individuals are likely to be a dominant driver, not adhering to distancing and not wearing masks samit checking across mask orders. In the states, there is a wide range as suspected hearings to use of masks is lower in these rural counties than urban areas. As in Colorado, by anecdotal reports there has also been a shift in Covid nineteen age demographics that in turn affect the regional situation in parts of the Midwest, the rise is being driven by young adults who seem to have gotten the corona virus in universities says Anglesey it doesn't help that college students who are by nature less risk averse than older people are being enabled in their heedlessness by a lack of guidance from adults who ought to. Know Better. It's also worth noting that many young Americans hold jobs at increase exposure risk like retail or restaurant work whatever the manifold causes of the third wave. There is reason to worry that it will prove worse than the first to the arrival of colder weather in some states means more time spent indoors where viruses are more easily transmitted by aerosols produced when people sneeze cough or merely speak with the pandemic. Still raging many people will likely scrap seasonal travel and family get togethers for Thanksgiving Christmas and so on. But many are likely to press ahead regardless meaning minimal social distancing in crowded planes and trains, and around holiday dinner tables, we are concerned that there could be a holiday spike with severity. Depending on where the epidemic curve is positioned before the start of the season and later November Samut whether the third way will be followed by fourth is paradoxically both impossible to say and entirely within our control. Hopefully, greater policy coherence from Washington uniform national rules around masking and distancing and broad public acceptance of an eventual vaccine once it is proven to be safe and effective will all at last stuff the covid nineteen genie back into its bottle until then the US which represents only four percent of the world's population yet has reported more than twenty percent of its covid nineteen cases and deaths will continue to struggle. It is up to all of us working together to bring that suffering to an end.
Aug. 9 Peter Navarro, Sen. Durbin, Dr. Inglesby
"This Sunday pandemic politics situation is dire. Reaches five million. Confirmed, Cova cases of Miami. Patients. That is a huge toll to take everyday. Mowing the only person. Maybe. The last person who speaks to the while president trump continues to deny the tragedy. He's overseeing little goal when things go away. Absolute. No cash remind Budo. Congress, deadlocked this morning was disappointing. I don't care what rose. HIV Pin on with millions losing benefits negotiators fail again to reach agreement we did not make any progress today and president trump signs executive orders he claims will help those in need my guest this morning White House Trade Director Peter Navarro Democratic Senator Dick Durbin and Dr Tom Ingles. Be of Johns Hopkins University, plus Corona Virus in the classroom. The debate over opening schools not appropriate to open in person learning environment. With raising contagion we talked to a principal, a teacher and a school nurse on opening schools in the age of a pandemic. And Decision Two thousand twenty tangled up in blue. The electoral map has shifted with twelve weeks to go before Election Day, joining me for insight and analysis MSNBC Anchor Joshua Johnson NBC News Capitol Hill Correspondent, Casey Hunt and rich lowry editor of national. Review. Welcome to Sunday it's meet the press. From NBC News in Washington the longest running show in television history. This is meet the press with Chuck Todd. Could Sunday morning it's easy even dangerous to become numb to the scope of the coronavirus tragedy. That's all around us. Yesterday, the United States had a total of five million cases that is two million more than Brazil, which is second in the world. In cases we've also passed one, hundred, sixty, thousand deaths where at one, hundred, sixty, three, eight, twenty, eight, this morning. And the University of Washington model projects the toll could roughly doubled to three hundred thousand by the first of December. But. Let's put that one, hundred, sixty thousand figure into a little bit of perspective. That's about forty percent more than the total number of Americans killed in World War One. It is nearly triple. The number of Americans killed from Vietnam, and if that University of Washington figures correct by December, we will have passed the number of US battled deaths from World War Two all in less than one calendar year. Here's another perspective over the past two weeks we've suffered roughly one death from covid nineteen, every seventy seven seconds. President trump continues to insist as he put it. It'll go away like things go away. and. When pressed in an interview recently. Mr. Trump. Added they are dying. That's true. It is what it is. Yes. It is what it is and what it is is a once in a century crisis made worse by partisan politics testing mistakes evolving advice. A public too quick to ignore safety guidelines and a president who has chosen to deny dismiss and distract for far too long. Adding to that Washington, seems more paralyzed than usual deadlocked on a relief package prompting president trump who himself has refused to meet with the negotiators personally to step in late yesterday and attempt to Sidestep Congress. Taking executive action, we've had it president trump signing a series of executive orders after his own negotiators failed to make a deal. It was a disappointing meeting. This morning was a disappointing. I don't care what rose try to pin on it. It's got a lot of thorns. We did not make any progress today, but with a nation in crisis, what's at take for my family is Being able to stay who we are. Being able to maintain the life that we have. The limited actions are likely to be challenged in court as President trump takes on powers constitutionally granted to Congress. Maybe they'll bring legal actions maybe they won't, but they won't win thirty million Americans are set to miss another benefits. Check this week and addiction moratorium expired last month for millions more the small business paycheck protection program lapsed on Saturday, and some student loan relief will expire at the end of September president. Trump's action sets a weekly unemployment benefit at four hundred dollars. Why did you decide on four hundred dollars when previously families were receiving six hundred that will be a hardship for many what do you say to them? Hardship. This is the money that they need. This is the money they want. This gives them a great incentive to go back to work. The President says states many of which are dealing with budget gaps in pleading for more federal support must contribute twenty five percent in order for Americans to qualify which governors and told you that they would sign on they don't they don't that's up to them among the other new. Orders deferring the payroll tax for workers earning less than one hundred, thousand a year, a move opposed by many congressional Democrats and Republicans suggesting federal agencies consider some eviction protections and deferring student loan payments. The constitution does not give the president power to either appropriate or tax without Congress president trump want promised to be a deal maker. I'm different than other presidents I'm a dealmaker I do hundreds of deals ideals to the. Deals come out of my ears do deals I mean you have to do deals we don't want to do the executive orders all the time it wasn't supposed to be about executive orders you have to bring them like tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan you have to bring them together but now a deal loose it with the two sides trillions of dollars a part of a wider package which Democrats say should include money. For schools reopening for virus testing and aid to cities and states I stayed come back when you're ready to give a higher number at his golf club this weekend, the president spun the facts both on the economy for twenty straight weeks. Unemployment claims topped one million shattering historical records the single greatest three month period of job creation in American history, and on the virus, a pandemic which is disappearing, it's going to disappear. And joining me now is Peter Navarro. He is the director of trade and manufacturing policy is also the National Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator. Dr Navarro. Welcome back to meet the press. And I want to start with. I want to start with something the chief of staff said on Friday take a listen sir. We're going to take executive orders to try to alleviate some of the pain that people were spending are experiencing. This is not a perfect answer. We'll be the first ones to say that, but it is all that we can do and all the president can do within the confines of his executive power. So this an acknowledgement, do you agree with the cheapest? Is Not enough that this is a small amount here and that in order to do more, that's necessary. You still got to work with Congress. He didn't say it was a small amount jarque. What what he said was it's not enough of what we've got here is the failure of talks and the president taking action on four fronts to help four Greek groups. So you have the payroll tax cut, which is effectively a substantial wage hike for Americans, who have their Jobs, you've got gotTa plus up for workers who were on the unemployment line. You've got relief for renters and single family home owners. So they don't become homeless and you have for young people have this crushing burden of student loan you have relief and those are four targeted solutions and that will help deal with the pain. It's unfortunate that we have not yet got a deal, but in the absence of that President Donald J trump is acting on behalf of American people. I WanNa ask you about a few of these provisions. Some of them look legally dubious here. Are you confident? What gives you confidence that the president has the power to decide when to postpone the collection of taxes? Well, one of the things I've learned here, check at the White House going through a lot of work on executive orders is what we have the statutory authorities to do and I'm confident that every single one of those. Orders which cleared through the office of Legal Counsel will stand up. If you look for example, at the Vic Shen. In foreclosure language you in your opener there you noted the words shall considering. Well, that's how you have to write it. But everybody knows in that bureaucracy that you damn well should do it and they will. So there's that the payroll tax. Cut We clearly have the authority to do that that can be done easily through the Treasury Department and I would note that in twenty twelve. Nancy Pelosi was a strong supporter of the payroll tax cut and Barack Obama used. Bonds funding to make sure that that's social security was not harmed in any way president trump there's nothing more. Strongly than he supports his integrity is social security. So each of these provisions work. It's unfortunate at these negotiations to date. Have failed but I mean look this should be easier than it is chuck. We've got two sides when you once at one tree and others at three tree and the first thing you have to do is agree on some number in between once you do that step to figure out within that what you both agree on something like a twelve hundred dollar check to every American, and then what you do, you trade off a go back and forth across the table what? You want respecting each other's red lines. You don't make the Republicans play for planned parenthood or platforms. For example, this should be easy question we've had watching this unfold depression. The president has is, is whether the Democrats really sincere when they come to the table and and I'm not sure it doesn't help when when Speaker Pelosi goes out after every day scarfs flying and just beats the heck out of us for being being cruel people when in fact you let me president but. Yeah go ahead. Yeah. Now, let me ask you this. Where is the president? Why was it golf club all weekend? Why isn't he negotiating look I understand I. And, the president, where is he? Involved young understand. This is the hardest working president in history he'd works twenty, four seven he can be in Bedminster mar-a-lago the Oval Office or anywhere in between he can be at the whirlpool factory like we were in. Thursday celebrating working men and women benefiting from tariffs he's working twenty, four, seven the problem here. The problem here is capital hailed the swamp p. To two houses that are too far apart I mean the Lord and the founding fathers created executive orders because of partisan bickering and divided government. That's what we have here. But the president's taken action his constituency let's be clear. His constituency is mainstream Republicans Blue Collar Democrats and independents who were sick and tired of the swamp and he reached out and he took action. You can have two. Orders he could just let this keep going did not just he took action action airline and Arun you. Okay you outline what a negotiation works and you did something very interesting. You said, okay the Democrats are three trillion the Republicans are at one and you got to figure out where to meet in the metal. That's what the Democrats proposed that. Hey, let's meet in the middle on a on a number and you and it looks like, Mark. Meadows said no, no, no, that's not that's. Not Accurate and here's the thing the other the cardinal rule in negotiations as you don't do them on TV, you don't do them here on TV you don't do them on Capitol Hill in the Rotunda like Nancy Pelosi does you do it with sincerity? You have to have both sides willing to make a deal I know a deal can be done if you just go by that rule. It can be done but in the absence resist the American people let me ask you trump will act to help people who are unemployed who were hurting people who are working that need more money. Renters homeowners who are really facing a bleak future of the vix. Okay. We're closures and students who need to get out from under that, Bernadette. Assuming. Negotiations continue an deal happens maybe in a week or two weeks I assume all these executive orders become null and void. If Congress solves the problem there's no need for the president take Executive Action Jay. That's that's we'll see what we get, but here's the point. Let's let's not go there. Let's go to this. We've got four actions. President trump has taken that will help workers the unemployed ranner's homeowners and students student. Rep. student loans what we need is sincere negotiation. We have to believe that both sides actually WanNa deal and there is this theory chuck that the Democrats would prefer to see the. Economy go into the tank for another ninety days because that harms. The President I hope that that that Capitol Hill has become that cynical. But watching this negotiations aches, me wonder because we've been willing to bend. We're we're I think. Eight strokes I take your point willing to bend. Well. I think he has a reputation of killing more deals than he does. To your other joe men and he's a great of the Freedom Caucus. and. What we don't want is they have this breakdown and we went up there in good faith didn't see our side going out in the Rotunda and throwing grenades it was the other side doing that. Okay. Let me ask you about your. DP. A jerk part of your job where a lot of hats, the Washington Post over the weekend, the loss days of summer how trump fell short and containing the virus and want to pull out this paragraph because it impacts you Dr Navarro despite repeated calls to invoke the Defense Production Act to help resolve testing supply shortages the administration has resisted doing. So trump in several White House aides instead continued to think that it is politically advantageous to see the issue to the states to avoid taking ownership or blame for the issue even though testing shortages are largely seen as a federal failure, why haven't you used the DP A to? Figure to help fix this testing problem in the country. So We're we'RE GONNA come out with a report earlier this week that identifies all the things the president has done using the defense production act over thirty actions. We we've taken a lot of them related to testing I think the poster child for that as a DP a title three that we did that got Guilford Maine, the Puritan company upping their production, the swabs, the twenty, million, a month. Those are the kinds of things we're doing. We're fighting using the DP on all fronts chuck we use the Defense Production Act to stand up a factory in Kokomo Indiana by General Motors in seventeen days nobody will ever ever do better than that and okay. Where's that? Where's that urgency for testing pardon me? Where's that urgency for testing? been. Selected. Example SELENA's incense. Grants to make sure we get a point of care virus testing. This to me is going to be the game changer where. Right. Now, we've got two types right? We got a lab test that takes. Number of days, which is not optimal. Tightly accurate. We've got the idea now of Abbott which takes fifteen to twenty minutes were rapidly expanding that reach. What we'd love to do is point of care kind of like a pregnancy test but the same idea where you can read it at your home and we are work chuck we are working twenty four seven on these things and we've made great progress on Therapeutics, Vaccine Development this. President is going to probably be able to get one or more vaccines by the end of the year that's a third of the time it usually takes in using the defense production act. So I'll I'll I'll get you personally send you a copy of this report when it comes out, you tell me afterwards whether we we've done a lot about using that EPA. It's the most rapid industrial mobilization in this country since World War. Two. And I think there are a lot of people that hear your enthusiasm and WanNa, see you use it even more. But Dr. Navarro I have to leave the conversation there. Thank you for coming on and sharing the administration's perspective I appreciate it. And joining me now for another perspective is the number two Democrat in the Senate Dick Durbin of Illinois senator. Durbin welcome back to meet the press I want to start with something Peter Navarro just said, he said in negotiations. One side has one number and he said There's needs to be something at the mental and when I heard that I thought. Well that sounds like potential progress d did you hear that as as suddenly the White House wants to move to the middle because that doesn't seem to be what Mnuchin and Meadows Dan. chuck let me just say if that is the standard we've not only accepted. We've offered it We were three point four trillion dollars in the bill that Nancy Pelosi in the House Democrats past twelve weeks ago, twelve weeks ago, and now we've come down to the range of two trillion. They were two trillion. We've asked them to come up train. It does exactly what must environment suggested a we already to meet the White House and Republicans halfway we've said from the start we have priorities that may be different than theirs that in terms of the dollar amount were exactly what Mr Navarro suggested. I'm curious as a lot of legal questions about the president's authority to do these things. In order to to get the courts to look at it I d. do you think Congress ought to file suit on Princeton to the payroll tax? Wise. Or the unemployment. Neo. Row, this is a moral dilemma unemployed people to receive benefits. We never wanted them cut off all. So I'm not going to suggest that we run out to court at this point. I think some will there'll be some challenges. This country vic suggested by the president is going to be cut in the unemployment benefits for thirty million Americans It's either GONNA be cut from six hundred to four, hundred from six hundred zero word has right now if the president's executive orders don't stand a you know the bottom line is this. These people are not lazy people. We have five unemployed Americans for every available job, this urban legend which I. Say is urban lie about people sitting home benching binging on Netflix and eating chocolate. Covered, Cherries listen I've met with these families are desperate to get back to work seventy percent of the people who've gone back to work of taken a cut to to wages below the unemployment benefits. But they want back on the job and understand unemployment is temporary helping hand. So this notion that they're lazy and they tried a little harder, they find jobs just doesn't work. I WANNA. Put up a comment from a House Democrat who's in a swing district. And listen to what he said. Yesterday Representative Tom. Malinowski of New Jersey. He's a first term. Democrat warned that a lack of an agreement. By the two parties would prompt voters to declare quote a pox on all our houses congress is broken Washington is broken, and that is great for challengers he added. The question is, do you feel pressure that you have to kind of deal? Even if you don't get if you don't like what you're getting I mean do you worry that you're the Democrats are taking too hard of a line here, and at some point you have to move more than you want to. Chuck that's the nature of negotiation. You've got to give a little to get a little. That's hot boils down and look what happened back on March twenty six when we passed March Sixteen When we pass the cares ninety six to nothing bipartisan. We don't have twenty in public incentives said not a penny zero nothing at this point and we have Mitch McConnell the Republican leader who's not even A. Negotiating sessions. He stayed out his jurors empty same things, Kevin McCarthy the House Republicans. But what we've said is look at the first priority in the first priority of course, is unemployed but even higher than that is doing something directly about the coronavirus when I heard Mr Viral with his talk about testing I'm thinking are you in touch with the real world? The president's been saying for for weeks and many months Oh if you wanNA test you can. Get it well, from longest time that wasn't even possible, and then this notion that you're going to have the same instant results attesting that he does with his White House visitors of Major. League baseball does overnight that isn't the real world out here. The people are waiting for testing they're waiting for results from five to twelve days, which makes them almost pointless. That is a priority for us, testing to deal with the coronavirus is key to opening the. Party hoping the economy and opening our schools right. Final question a little democratic politics here I WANNA put up this tweet from David Axelrod you know him longtime chief strategist for President Obama. An Illinois guy these days. And he says this, I can't remember any VP selection process where so much op has been dumped. If I were Joe Biden, looking for a good loyal partner that should be a source of concern and David Axelrod didn't imply who was behind this but there has been a lot of negative stuff dropped on a couple of candidates Susan Bassett Susan Rice, and Karen Bass in particular. Are you concerned about how this looks? Conservative, not surprised chuck. This is the political world we live in. It was a never was being bag. It's always been a tough game but it's gotten much worse over the last civil years the level of a preposterous claims, the charges that have been thrown I mean they've just gone out of sight locker up locker up for goodness sakes that goes way beyond anything. Any was insane presidential campaigns and that is the nature of this business in those who sick with know my colleague Tammy Duckworth we're good seconds. She's album. American. Hero for what she's given to this country and there have been those on right-wing television shows that have criticized her. As a not being. Of Consideration for, this office you know that to me shows the extremes of they'll reach. Dick Durbin. I'm going to have to leave it there number two in the US Senate Democrat from Illinois the senior Senator from Illinois thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. Sarah, appreciate it. Got It and when we come back progress on a vaccine but even if we do have one by year's end out it. Willie geist tear. Be sure to check out this week's episode of the. Sunday, sit down podcast with Oscar, winning actress by Davis to talk about her extraordinary career and her journey from poverty to Hollywood's a-list yet. Now for free wherever you download podcasts hey everyone it's Chris. As you know these days I find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day. Onslaught of news and take a broader look at the issues. I haven't had time to cover my TV show all in everything from the legacy of racism in America to how community and creativity can flourish amidst to pandemic how Democrats could win and Deep Red America I do each week on my podcast wise is happening and I'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like Pulitzer Prize winning reporter. Nicole Hannah Jones progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred year the black people being in this country the time remarking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author. Rebecca solnit how do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways? 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We hit the three million mark on July seven that was twenty seven days later then just sixteen days later we rich four million US cases and July twenty third and again it took us just sixteen days to hit this five million reported case number right here in the United States joining me now is Dr Tom ingles beans, the director of the Center for Security of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Dr Ingles. Be Welcome back to meet the press. WanNa get a little big picture here. You know last week you were you put out a lengthy list of ten recommendations. You guys didn't call it a reset, but sort of like how do we get control of this virus? Now another one of your sort of colleagues in the larger sense Michael Star home is an op Ed. He's basically calling for a reset of some sort New York Times today editorial page calling this. It feels though as public health officials are all calling for some sort of reset. Partial. lockdowns things like this and yet we are not having that conversation at all on the political side of things. Are, are we doomed to sort of live with this virus now if we're not GONNA at all look at your recommendations I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOOMED To this fate I? Think we we know what to do. Other countries have done it. I think the purpose of these resetting reports these for a kind of a reestablishment of the basics. Is that we know that another country's universal masking fiscal, distancing, avoiding large gatherings. Those kinds of things have worked. If we look at countries like Italy and Spain and France, they have a total of about seven or eight deaths today and we have thousand, but it's not magic what they did. We know what they did. So I think if we act together in national unison, we can get there and that's what the purpose of these many of these reports are I want to bring up the issue of masks there've been some people that said if we had ninety five percent compliance unmask wearing, we could get rid of we could sort of get this fires under control. Is that unrealistic and we do need to do more than just mandating masks Do. Not, alone. Not by themselves or alone the solution, but they are a critical part of it. We know that physical distancing makes a big difference. We know that large gatherings are places where super spreading events occur and people have the opportunity or the virus has the opportunity to get around quickly and for. Many people at once. So we have to do a number of things together in terms of you know simple things like diagnostic testing results coming back much more quickly. It's it's unacceptable for the country to have to have testing comeback a week or even two weeks later it's not useful at that point there's no point even doing the test. So a number of that we have to do, but they're not they're not complicated they may be hard, but we have to do them kind of in unison. And all of those, they're not hard except when you when the word politics gets involved, it makes everything a little bit harder and I wanNa keep you out of the political space here. Let me ask you a question about that scenes and to sort of set expectations doctor Fauci implied that the first vaccine that we get, he hopes it's seventy five percent effective. The FDA has said they will approve any vaccine that's at least fifty percent effective. Can you explain to the public what that means what it means and what it doesn't mean and what our expectations should be for the first vaccine Well, we know that many of the vaccines that we use are not perfect. They don't prevent every case of disease but if they prevent a substantial portion of disease than that can help us get to a point where most of us are protected, the disease can spread quickly between people anymore a concept that is called her immunity. Herd immunity doesn't mean we will won't disease anymore. It means it's not gonNA efficiently as efficiently spread in an epidemic form. and. Is there a percentage figure in your mind that you think will sort of give us a huge? Huge step in the right direction is at a vaccine that is at seventy five percent or does fifty percent do you fear that could be a false sense of hope. I think we would take fifty percent because it's fifty percent is a lot better than what we have. Now we've we've no tools to no no vaccine tools or medicine tools that we can use to slow this down. So fifty percent would be would be far better than what we have. Now of course I think we all want something that is seventy, five, eighty, five. Ninety percent effective. But we'll have to see what we get and I think for the amount of time has passed since the beginning of this pandemic to have a vaccine that's even fifty percent effective in in the coming months or the beginning of twenty twenty, one would be phenomenal. But again, we hope it's better but fifty percent would be better than what we have now. Tom ingles be from Johns, Hopkins One of our experts that we have on here regularly, really appreciate you coming on and sharing your expertise with us. Sir. Thanks for have mature. Got It and when we come back. Some. Politics, the changing electoral where the presidential race stands right now. Welcome back the panel is with us from their remote locations MSNBC ANCHOR Joshua Johnson. NBC News Capitol Hill Correspondent Casey and rich lowry editor of National Review and to sort of set the table here on a showcase, our NBC news political units, first battleground map of twenty twenty full disclosure I am a member of Said political unit. So I've contributed this myself. We're going to start with the twenty states hillary. Clinton. Won In two, thousand, sixteen all. Of which remain in Biden's column right now, Maine's second congressional district which trump carried in two thousand sixteen. We are currently classifying as a toss up. So you see some stripes they're also trending Biden's way right now are six trump two, thousand, sixteen state that we've been considering the key battlegrounds for twenty twenty Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania in North Arizona North Carolina Florida South Right. Now none are tossups all have biden with a consistently and right now before we get to our tossup states biden already have three, hundred, thirty, four electoral votes if just the states that he's leading in when his way far more than the two seventy, he needs on par with the Barack Obama electoral numbers of Twenty Eight and twenty twelve president trump leads in twenty. States good for under twenty five electoral votes Nebraska's second Congressional district. We have is lean by right now. So at least four states, Georgia, Ohio, and Texas, plus that main district, all of which president trump last time as the remaining tossups worth seventy, nine electoral votes. But if those are the tossup states, you know where the map is so rich lowry I start with this. Backdrop because I asked a simple question. Why is the president not taken? The Democrats deal at this point because it seems it probably would help his reelection prospects. Yeah, we'll check there's some dispute about how real the reduce spending is in the latest democratic offer. But the White House definitely has been reluctant to get much above the trillion dollars and I think it's with an eye to renewed Republican concern about the deficit and I very much get concerned about the deficit but the real sent here is in deficit spending in the midst of major economic dislocation dislocation was all the deficit spending that took place when the economy was good. Joshua Johnson, I had one democratic eight that's been. That's been what's made these negotiations. So odd is that the normal rules of politics they thought would apply to the other side, which is the political pressure of the moment has not impacted them yet. Yeah it's kind of interesting. The way that the political pressure has shifted over the course of this pandemic I mean Mitch McConnell was interviewed by politico this week and said, it's a lot harder now than it was four months ago we're that much closer to the election. I do Dr Made an interesting point in saying that you don't negotiate in public that may be part of why this is so hard I think it's also telling that both. Sides can't seem to come to an agreement perhaps because of the publicity around these negotiations, it might be better on both sides if they just sent delegates and all the major players stayed home and just stayed away from cameras a while but yeah, I mean as we get closer to the election unfortunately, it seems like less and less getting agreed to because every sound byte after ever negotiation becomes something that could end up in an opponent's campaign at. Casey I look at this situation. I think well, they have to come to an agreement. There's just no choice. The economic fallout is too great not to and yet do you see them landing this plane this week I think the blame game has made that potentially very difficult at this point Chuck and Republicans are essentially making a bet that Democrats are not going to go out there and try to knock down the president's unemployment insurance executive order because they simply can't be seen doing that and I think there are real questions about Mark Meadows White. House. Chief of staff and his role in these negotiations because. Steve mnuchin seemed relatively willing to cut this deal with Democrats and there does seem to be this overarching bet on the part of Democrats that the people that are going to pay the ultimate political price for not doing deal going to be Republicans in the Senate and the White House. Now, whether that's the best course of action for the country I think is up to our viewers to decide. Hey. Rich is the real problem here for the White House the fact that. Any deal the congress cuts is going to be majority Democrats having to vote for both the House and the Senate. Yeah that's another constraint, but it's definitely his political interest. Do this to get a deal. These executive orders are there nebulous? They're confused they're poor substitute for lawmaking and I should note even if they're technically legal, this is not how our system is supposed to work where Congress affirmatively declines to do something and the president rummages around for authorities to try to do it on his own this part of the long running trend of an overweening executive trampling on feckless Congress are are are you in the Ben Sasse Camp Rich? What do you call it? SLOP. Yeah it's it's against the spirit of our system is what many of us invade against the Obama's second term pen and phone governance, and it's just an extension of that. I want to give it to beep stake since we're going to stick with politics here Joshua. David Axelrod tweet that I asked. Senator Durbin about. It. It. Is An insider conversation but this idea that that are some can candidates running too aggressive of campaign for this number two slot. Well. That's the thing is I'm not sure how to read the campaign like. If you were asking me who was GonNa win the NBA Championship I know the rules of the game and I know how the players have done. No one knows the rules of this game. None of us knows exactly what the campaign strategy is, who the players are or what the leaderboard is. So this kind of no way for US Steno which makes this whole political season even more opaque. Forgive Me Chuck by the Way But I did want to mention before we get too far out. That's an Varo did say something to you that was a bit deceptive in his assessment of the way that the payroll tax is being viewed, which also makes these negotiations harder. He said, Nancy Pelosi supported it and twenty eleven that was a payroll tax cut of two percentage points not a complete payroll tax cut. So that was deceptive and what he said. Well and not only that there was also a plan to restore social security, you get to the challenge of trying to trying to fit an hour's worth of television in. A lot of things that I had unpack on on that one Casey Hunt We're going to hear from the vice president at some point about his running mate. Maybe tomorrow it does feel as if we're still sitting in its Kamla Harris versus field and it is. The. Biden world seems divided some think it's the perfect pick in some think. Can you trust her to be your loyal number two? And David Axelrod didn't name names but the underlying suggestion has been that it's Kamala Harris camp that is playing hard political hardball behind the scenes here in trying to make sure that her way to this pick is relatively clear I'm not saying that we have reporting on that. But the suggestion from people in public is very strong and I think that's rubbed a lot of women the wrong way women operatives I talked to have. Looked at this process and feel that we're experiencing a little bit more of what Hillary Clinton went through that this process is this way partly because it's women fighting it out and people are less comfortable with women in that role but I think at the end of the day, this is GonNa come down to the relationship between the vice president and the person that he ultimately picks. So only he knows the answer to that question. And the fact of the matter is we know he's probably met with more of these folks face to face than we've been able to track during this pandemic. All right guys well done. Thank you very much. When we come back, you want to know what states the trump and biden campaigns really think they can win. There's an easier way to find out then trying to guess we'll show you next. Go back data download time if you WANNA know what a campaign really thinks about its Janssen's don't listen to what it says all the money in since June there's been some interesting movement showing us which state each campaign is bullish about and which ones are neck net. I the Big Three Blue Wall states that went for trump in two, thousand sixteen. Both campaigns were fully engaged and all three until mid-june. But in recent weeks, we've seen some changes. Let's take a look at the state of Michigan. In, the week of June second, the trump and Biden forces we're spending at roughly the same level. They're four, hundred, seventy, four, thousand dollars for team trump for ninety, eight, thousand dollars per team by. But in late June by built a substantial polling late July twenty first. The financial numbers were roughly sixteen thousand dollars for trump in Michigan. About one point six, million for binding in this state. Then, there are the States Donald Trump won in two thousand sixteen where the Biden campaign in Pro Biden outside groups are on offense Arizona North Carolina and Florida. We're GONNA focus on Arizona and the week of June second trump spending was at one hundred, sixty, one, thousand, versus nothing for by. By the week of July twenty first trump in company we're spending one point one million to Biden in his groups almost one point three million. Then, there are the States Hillary Clinton one where team trump once saw an opportunity Nevada New Mexico in Minnesota trump campaign spending very little now in New Mexico and Minnesota. Let's look at Nevada pro-trump spending has gone from zero the week of June second. To more than four, hundred thousand and stayed there through July twenty eighth and while Biden seem to think it was safe enough not to spend early on. More, recent advised suggests that they are now paying attention to Nevada. Election, day is still almost three months away the heavy campaign AD spending has yet to hit. Battlegrounds can continue to shift, but so far, the advertising map continues to expand for Joe Biden. President Trump's team is mostly having to play defense when we come back corona virus in the classroom and. When will it be safe enough to send children back to school. Does upcoming school year as overwhelmed, or we want to build engagement with students. And make it feel like we were still in a building. My biggest concern about going back is being able. To keep them safe as excited as MC all my students I'm also very anxious about all the unknowns that the upcoming school year will bring. Welcome back all this week NBC. News, and MSNBC, or airing a special series corona virus in the classroom and education in America, during the COVID nineteen pandemic the big question of course whether schools can be opened an open safely and how do you open this morning we brought together three people intimately involved in trying to get students educated this year while also trying to keep teachers, students and their parents safe all at the same time Jacqueline. Dungy is the principle of the New Paradigm Loving Academy in Detroit, which is hoping to create a combination of in person and virtual learning. Theo. Carrillo small is a third grade teacher at the William K Moore Elementary School in Las Vegas they plan to start online only and Christine McCleary is a nurse at the East Sanford School in Auburn Alabama where parents get to choose between in person and remote learning. Welcome all principal, a teacher and a school nurse. We thought these are the folks on the front. You guys are on the front lines of all of this in many ways, Jacqueline, I want to start with you as a principal. I have a brother-in-law principle that. He's feeling it from all sides the pressure not to open the pressure immediately open everybody wants immediate answers. I can only imagine the pressure you're feeling right now just tell us a little bit about it. Well, of course, we all want to ensure a safe return to school for. Our students, our families, and even our staff, and with that being said, there are so many things that have to come into play to ensure we're able to do that. We've surveyed our families. We wanted to make sure that they felt comfortable with even coming back to school. We put together a task force to study. You know make some decisions about what are we going to do in the future upcoming because we knew this was going to be a long experience feel and Las Vegas. You're you'RE GONNA be starting online only at first. What's the biggest hurdle you're? You'RE you're concerned about clearing as you prepare for this online, only environment and a couple of weeks. I think the biggest thing chuck is that. It's new for everyone right? So it's new for me as a veteran teacher. It's new for the parents and families and it's going to be new for the students and so I think the biggest hurdle for us is, how do I engage students in an online platform and how do I make sure that they're showing up every day that I'm building relationships with them that's going to be the biggest thing I. think that's the toughest thing that that educators are facing right now is just that engagement and getting those kids show up and understand what school looks like this year. Christine. Let's go this. Believe it or not, and I don't know how many people watch watching know this but most schools do not have a full time school nurse according to survey we were able to find about thirty, five percent full-time and other thirty percent of schools have a part time school nursing it and about a quarter don't have any. Any nurse at all. So I I want to talk about what role do you believe? You should be playing when it comes to. D-. Opening these schools do you feel like that you and your fellow school nurses you should be doing the testing or supervising a testing strategy having a safe school throughout our state and throughout the country is paramount for all school nurses. So I think first of all, I would say we need to have a time nurse in every school every day that would really help with the children and their safety and their health as far as testing. This Alabama Association of school nurses did come up with a plan that was four pronged that addressed potential testing in the schools with parental consent in order to get results back more quickly. So we would have children were actually. Sick or not. We also were looking into doing some thermal scanning with AI technology to try to determine if a child was symptomatic quickly before the child got into the school and potentially expose either their teachers or other students what about the technological divide how? WHO CLOSES THAT GAP? Are you expected to do it for these parents are expected to find the technology for their kids or somebody to come in here and get these resources. Well I'll tell you that as a school district. You know we've really worked hard to we were able to get during the spring ninety nine percents of our families engaged online platforms. We were able to provide technology for any of our students that were in need and we were able to provide support with as needed a necessary so we have been able to. Get support as well as shift some of our funding to bridge that digital divide because that is a huge concern that led to me pre me as. A person. But as our leadership team other principals, doing home visits to ensure that students had the technology that they need as well as ensuring that they knew how to use that technology, and if that wasn't a barrier because we know that with our students that are. In those distressed and lower socio economic groups that we have to make sure that we're bridging that gap. I think the biggest thing that we have to remember is that the school system is meant to actually uphold the community and I think. So in the springtime, we made sure that our students had the technology but if I have a family that has two or three children at their home I need. Each of them to have a device. The first thing that I have to do a teacher is figure out what that family needs and find out and survey them. Do they have Wifi can they get on does their device work and so all of those things are the first thing to do to engage those families at the very beginning and I the other thing because we have Christine onto. Teachers can't do this without the other support and the educators who are out there helping us if I have a family that's that that that student isn't coming on and I can't figure out and I can't get them on than my psychologist, my my school counselor Social Worker School nurse those folks are essential to make sure that all of those needs are taken care of how much would it cost to make sure there's a school nurse in every school this year you guys have estimate on something like that because that's obviously. We said one in four schools have nothing. I assume this is something that would have to come from the federal government. Well. Currently check it doesn't. At least in my state, it is funded by the state when we applied for cares act funding the Alabama. So she should school nurses our plan we applied for cares. Act Funding. For our plan and so that would have funded for a school nurse in every school in the state of Alabama for one year you know I think this approach to reopening schools has somewhat been backward. We've approached it from an educational standpoint and not a health standpoint and I think if we had started looking at it from a health store standpoint. How do we reopen safely? How do we get isolation rooms and so forth instead of what can we do to keep kids safe at home I think we have a lot more school systems opening up. The rest of our discussion and meet the press dot Com. That's all today. Thank you for watching. We'll see you next week because if it's Sunday. It's meet the. News Watch NBC News than any other news organization in the world. I'm Tremaine. Lee. 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Tue. 03/24 - Cut Back On Social Distancing Now?
"This is the corona virus daily briefing Tuesday march twenty. Four th twenty twenty. I'm Brian McCullough. More than one hundred people died from covert nineteen and a single twenty four hour period in the US for the first time. New York sees the majority of its Cova cases under the age of fifty the debate about ending social distancing soon. Another big myth busting thread a new tool to protect health. Care Workers and a profile of Dr Anthony Fauci more than forty. Three Thousand Corona virus cases have been confirmed in the US at the time of this recording though experts say the true number is much higher yesterday. Saw the first day where more than one hundred people died in the US. In a single twenty hour period the focus continues to be on New York City New York State. Where the governor is requiring hospitals to increase capacity by at least fifty percent. New York state saw a one day increase of nearly five thousand cases bringing the total to twenty one thousand six hundred eighty nine cases in the state as of Monday night and I went to continue to make note of two things from the New York and New York City numbers. New York State has now done seventy eight thousand tests. The state is approaching the per capita testing numbers of the entire country of Korea and the demographics in New York continued to be concerning fifty. Eight percent of confirmed cases in the state are under the age of fifty forty. Six percent of cases in the state are aged eighteen to forty four Spain. Spanish soldiers found residents of nursing homes abandoned in several different locations. Quoting the New York Times. Margarita Robles Spain's defense minister quote said that emergency military units dispatched to disinfect nursing. Homes had found. There were some residents quote absolutely abandoned. If not dead in their beds and quote. The Defense Ministry said that dead bodies had been found in multiple nursing homes that had discharged large numbers of employees in the wake of the brakes but did not provide further details. The government will be quote forceful in its response to those who abandoned. Older people. Miserable is said and quote completing that country's about-face prime minister. Boris Johnson announced last night. That Britain is going into a virtual lockdown closing all non-essential shops and banning meetings of more than two people Britons are required now to stay in their homes except for trips for food or medicine. This morning it was announced that the Olympics will be postponed until at least twenty twenty one in California governor. Newsom has estimated that that state is short of hospital beds. Bhai around seventeen thousand in Arizona. A couple in their sixties watched president trump and others tout chloro-quinine as a potential drug to combat the virus on TV. Notice that they had a bottle of chemicals that they use to clean their coupons sitting in their pantry. That said it had chloroquine. In it and consumed a tablespoon amount of the substance quote. I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought. Hey isn't that the stuff they're talking about on? Tv The wife who was not named told NBC quote. We were afraid of getting sick and quote. The husband is now dead and the wife is still in the hospital on Monday. The governors of Oregon Michigan Indiana Wisconsin and New Mexico ordered residents there to remain at home while the governors of Massachusetts Kentucky Maryland ordered all non essential businesses closed. There is a new tool at Kovic. Act Now dot org where you can enter your state to see charts. Estimating how many days your state might have to enact social distancing and other measures to prevent hospital overload again. That's Kovic Act Now dot org there's also covert local dot org which has collected a set of guidelines for local leaders to follow in their communities. They call it a frontline guide for local decision-makers again that is covert local dot org and finally a few more signs that there is a game plan to follow that there is a light at the end of the tunnel that might allow us to return to life as normal at some point in Wuhan China where the virus began. Public Transit is slated to start up again in the next twenty four hours and in lumber to Italy. The number of patients hospitalized for cove in nineteen has actually fallen from nine thousand four hundred and thirty nine people to nine thousand two hundred sixty six people quote. We can say that today is the first positive day said Julianna Galera Lamberti's leading health official quote. It's not the moment to sing victory but we finally see the light at the end of the tunnel and quote. Lamberti only went lockdown March eight. So it's not even been a month of lock down there yet. A month is a long time. But it's also a manageable period of time especially if results can be seen also worth noting that the world has officially surpassed one hundred thousand recovered cases worldwide. These are people who have been confirmed to have contracted the disease and have now fully recovered as you've no doubt heard by now last night. President trump seemed to endorse ending social distancing and other measures soon in a long twitter thread. Tom ingles be the director of the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins. Bloomberg School of Public Health said the United States is nowhere near where it needs to be to most effectively combat. The Krahn virus quote anyone advising the end of social distancing now needs to fully understand what the country will look like if we do that he wrote quote covert would spread widely rapidly terribly could kill potentially millions in the year ahead with huge social and economic impacts across the country. These big social distancing measures take time to work he wrote the impact of big interventions in Wuhan China took about three weeks to start to reverse things then every day. The situation got better and quote. I won't weigh in on the political back and forth of all of this. This show continues to be political but I would echo the filing point that others have made. It's understandable that some folks. Most of us are concerned about the economy and went to get society back to normal as soon as possible. But what some people are seeming to forget is that taking distancing measures now is designed to prevent a larger economic collapse not to mention horrific cost to human life even putting aside the ethical issues for the moment. Let me say this again. What do you think the economy would look like if there are no more doctors and nurses because they're all sick if the entire medical system in the country collapses and hey what would happen to the economy. If suddenly hundreds of thousands of people died that would create an economic outcome orders of magnitude. Worse than anything. We're seeing now in other words. Were doing this now so that things don't get worse than they are. Scott Gottlieb the former commissioner of the FDA tweeted. There's a strong and understandable desire to return to better times than a functioning economy but it should not be lost on anyone that there's no such thing as a functioning economy and society so long as cove in nineteen continues to spread uncontrolled in our big cities and quote Steve Vladeck a law professor at the University of Texas tweeted quote prematurely relaxing suppression measures will dramatically steepened the infection curve overwhelm hospitals and have the same. If not worse impact on the economy when a substantial percentage age of the workforce is too sick or too scared to work to say nothing of all the extra deaths and quote Leah Greenberg Co Executive Director of indivisible guide a legislative watchdog tweeted quote. I can't believe we have to clarify this. But a scenario where the hospital system collapses and a million Americans die is also a scenario where the economy is very very bad. End Quote and writer and activists. Wendy therm makes the point that I'm wondering about myself even if the federal government relaxes lockdown rules that doesn't mean individual states will or will want to quote how is the US economy going to function without California New York Illinois New Jersey Pennsylvania Washington Massachusetts Virginia end quote. So what is the point of relaxing rules in some places? But not others. The economy will still be mostly locked down and all that might happen. Is that places where rules are. Relaxed will simply see their caseload skyrocket and overwhelmed capacity there for those asking online this morning it does appear that the federal government cannot overrule restriction measures in individual states or municipalities. Quoting the law. Professor Steve Vladeck again quote. Congress could arguably override them as applied to interstate commerce. But that ain't happening anytime soon. The argument is there but court CEPHAS stoically taken a fairly broad view of state public health regulations even when they burden commerce end quote speaking of the Olympics and the recent postponement of them. Another quick account today from someone who caught the disease who is young healthy and yet still struggling to overcome quoting Newsweek Cameron. Vanderberg who is from South Africa sent out a series of tweets Sunday that follow his health on the Fourteenth Day of his battle with the virus that has been labelled a global pandemic. He gave his thoughts on how it affects. Not only a finely tuned athlete. But how it could affect fellow athletes training for the two thousand Twenty Summer Olympics which were scheduled to begin July twenty fourth and Tokyo. I have been struggling with covert one thousand nine hundred fourteen days today. By far the worst virus I have ever endured despite being a healthy individual with strong lungs. No Smoking daily sports activities living a healthy lifestyle and being young least at risk demographic he tweeted although the most severe symptoms. Extreme fever have eased. I am still struggling with serious fatigue and a residual cough that I can't shake any physical activity like walking. Leaves me exhausted for hours and quote and he's an Olympian Cameron? Vanderberg thirty-one won the gold medal in the one hundred meter breaststroke at the two thousand twelve London Olympics when he swam it in fifty eight point four six seconds. He followed that up with a silver medal. Finish at the two thousand sixteen Rio de Janeiro Games. He retired in December two thousand eighteen after winning gold in the world shortcourse championships in Hangzhou China. Though it's been just fifteen months. Since his retirement he considers himself still to be in good shape but even this elite athlete has had difficulty dealing with corona virus end quote and now once again a myth busting round up from the same source we quoted from last time. Fahim Janas chief quality officer and Chief of Infectious Diseases at the University of Maryland. Going to quote from this tweet threat almost in its entirety as a public service number one avoid shipped packages or gas station pumps or shopping carts. Atm'S OR YOU'LL DIE wrong. Krona virus surface survival is one thing that surface causing an infection is another wash. Your hands live your life number two you can catch covered nineteen from ordering takeout food or Chinese food or the packaging of food wrong cove. Nineteen is a droplet related infection like the flu. Not A foodborne infection like Salmonella. There is no documented cove at risk with takeout food number. Three going into Asana for twenty minutes can kill more than ninety percent of viruses including Ron Virus. Wrong there are no scientific trials to suggest. The validity of this claim on the contrary Saunas can cause pneumonia among other things. Next if you lose your sense of smell you have co vid false. It is common to temporarily lose one's sense of smell with many viral infections or allergies. It's a nonspecific symptom. That may or may not happen with Kovin. So let me interrupt here and say that. That's an important clarification to our story yesterday about you. Losing your sense of taste or smell and that being a sign of coming down with covert nineteen losing your senses by itself. Do not mean you have covered nineteen as your run of the mill. Seasonal allergies might cause that as well but it could be a symptom especially in conjunction with other symptoms like dry cough fever and headaches. We've all been hearing about. The jury is still very much out. But the emerging consensus seems to be that the loss of senses could be another secondary symptom of cove in nineteen. None the less to clarify losing your taste or smell does not guarantee you've caught. Kovic moving on with the myth list taking hydroxy folkloric line and as interim aisin preemptively is a good idea to prevent co vid wrong. These experimental drugs for Corona virus should only be used in select Cova Patients. They can sometimes cause fatal heart rhythm problems plus other side effects next. I received messages that using garlic slash lemon with hot water or onions in the room will prevent or Cure Cova nineteen. Is it true? No that's just made up stuff. None of these substances have been scientifically tested against Cova. Don't share such posts. They create confusion next. Our governor has declared a state of emergency. That must mean. We're all going to die wrong. The state of emergency is more of a legal than a medical standard. It allows governments to access more resources like federal funds and personnel. Like National Guards. Next always change your clothes slash shower after coming home or you will bring corona virus to your family wrong. Cleanliness is a virtue paranoia. Isn't let's not scare people. Our biggest return on investment is handwashing. Staying six feet away from others avoiding large crowds etc and quote stamps dot com brings all of the services of the US Postal Service right to your computer in the safety and comfort of your own Home Office or anywhere else. Your hunkering down right now. I've been telling you about how this allows you to stay inside and avoid crowds like we all should be doing right now. And I've told you how this will help. Small businesses continue to function even while working remotely. But did you know stamps? Dot Com also saves you money with discounts. You can't get at the post office. 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Smart rang that takes continuous temperature measurements as part of a study to see whether the device gathers data that can predict when people will get sick from. Kron virus even before they present symptoms doctors and nurses at to San Francisco area. Hospitals will wear the oral ring. Oh you are a a lightweight. Titanium ring that is available to the public for two hundred ninety nine dollars during the study. The rang will measure temperature. Heart rate and respiratory rate continuously in increase in temperature could predict onset of covert nineteen buying time for that person to isolate themselves and take other precautions to avoid potentially infecting others on the Front Line. Ashley Mason a psychologist at Uc San Francisco. Who is running? The study told K. Q. E. D. if this tells us things about symptoms that we're going to get before we get them than we've got time to get ready and help ourselves be safe and helped the people around us be safe and quote quoting from K. Q. E. D. Mason began recruiting her coworkers at Uc San Francisco. And in the coming weeks more than two thousand doctors nurses and emergency responders will be wearing the ring including Er. Doctor Robert Rodriguez. He says the continuous temperature readings are ideal. Because fevers actually wax and wane quote that's far superior than just isolated checks because you can miss a fever if you're only checking at once or twice a day. He said as doctors are currently told to monitor their health. Plus the additional data the device gathers is even more valuable quote elevated heart rate and elevated respiratory rate are even better predictors of disease than temperature he said unquote people who already have the era ring can also opt into the study which will take months to complete using the APP over the last few weeks. A lot of people have been turning to Dr Anthony Fauci for some leadership and direction around this crisis since most of our exposure to Dr Falcone is in the background of and making quick announcements during White House press conferences. Here are some extended thoughts from the man himself excerpted from the interviews published recently in the Atlantic and Science magazine in insuring people that he's not being pressured by the White House to deliver a particular message. Salary told the Atlantic quote. I made up my mind a long time ago and this goes back to the first time. I had to speak the truth to Ronald Reagan about the seriousness of HIV slash AIDS. When people were not paying attention to it. I was like the lone wolf out there. This is going to be big. We've got to do something about it. I'm going to do the same thing now. And my attitude is. I'm going to keep doing that. I don't think they're going to try to silence me. I think that would be foolish on their part and I don't even think they want to. I think in some respects they. Welcome my voice out there telling the truth. I'm going to keep doing it and no matter what happens to me. I'm going to keep doing it and quote Thoug- also adds regarding president trump quote. The thing that encourages me is that every time. I've asked him to do something. Cut Out China travel or go to the mitigation guidelines. He's always ultimately listened to what I've said when I've said I really think we should do this. He's never said no overruled. My recommendation no matter what his style is when it comes to the core of what gets done thankfully he has listened to me and quote overall falconry talks about balance balancing how we respond to the crisis. Bouncing social distancing guidelines when you're in a central government worker balancing how to push back against an administration that often directly contradicts. Fao His own statements quote. You do what you can do as best he can. He Tells Science magazine He also explains that we can't know what went wrong with our pandemic preparedness just yet and that now isn't the time to stop and reflect quote. I think we'll have to wait until it is over and we look back before we can answer that. It's almost like the fog of war after the war is over. You then look back and say well this plan as great as it was didn't quite work once they started throwing hand grenades at us and quote. It really is similar to that. Obviously testing for the new corona virus is one clear issue that needs to be relooked at. Why were we not able to mobilize on a broader scale? But I don't think we can do that right now. I think it's premature. We really need to look forward and quote and for anyone worried about Dr Fao. Chee falling ill and unable to continue being the voice of reason that many find comfort from he says he's taking care of himself quoting from the Atlantic. There are risks that some people need to take because when it comes to the public health and the safety of the American people. Sometimes you really have to take some risks for yourself. Not Everybody can shelter in place but I try to do my best. I Wash my hands one hundred times a day. I don't ever shake hands with anybody and when I'm talking to somebody I try to stay six feet away from them so I am doing that when I'm not here at work I'm going about twenty hours a day. I try to do my best and quote that's offered today. This show is produced as always by ride home media written by myself. James Welch and Jackson Bird edited by James Welch and Jackson Byrd B. Well everybody talk to you tomorrow.