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Oct. 26, 2018: Blogs of war, medical lawsuit, custody battles, making a murderer and fright night.
"Japanese journalist was freed this week after three years in captivity by militants in Syria. It seems he didn't return home to a hero's welcome. We'll tell you what happened in our first story. Lawyers for women unfairly rejected by Tokyo Medical University based on their sex are seeking compensation from the institution. Another discriminating story coming up the US State Department says Japan is still noncompliant with the Hague Convention on international child. Abductions will tell you the effect on parents and families here later in the show. A fifteen year old was arrested for killing his grandfather attempting to kill his grandmother and plotting to kill a student from his school. It's like something out of a true crime podcast or something. Wait, I guess it is. How lean in Japan, it's not celebrated like it is in the west combined cost play with a wild. But polite street party, and you get the gist. We'll tell you all the ghoulish details at the end of the show. Hi, welcome to episode twenty five of Japan this week. Our quick recap of stories we've been following on the Japan today website for the weekending October twenty six two thousand eighteen I'm Jeff Richards. Thanks for joining us. And let's get right to it. Well, our first story this week. Probably requires a little bit of background the last time we saw forty four year old. Japanese freelance journalist June pay Yassa was on a dramatic YouTube video in July kneeling in an orange jumpsuit and begging for help with two armed and masked is Llamas state militants standing behind him at the time. It looked like he was about to suffer the horrific fate of many others who had been brutally executed by the militant group. Well, fast forward to present day. And there is an update, and it's a good one Yassa was freed this week and return to Japan on Thursday, ending his three year. Ordeal. The Japanese government said no ransom was paid. So we don't exactly know why he was released or what precipitated this. Yes. It is wife who is a singer here known as MU bow deeply apologize to a pack to news conference at which yesterday did not appear. She did say her husband would like to apologize for. Causing a fuss and making people worry about him. And that he will hold a news conference after he is undergoing medical checks Jasa who started reporting on the Middle East in the early two thousands was taken hostage twice. I in Iraq in two thousand four with three other Japanese, but he was freed after his limit clerics negotiated his release his last work in Syria involved reporting on his friend, Kenji Goto, a Japanese journalist who has taken hostage and beheaded by the Islamic state group in two thousand fifteen before that trip yesterday was urged by the Japanese government, not to go and that Tokyo could not be responsible for safety if he did. But he went anyway, and it resulted in his second capture by the militants several. Journalists are still missing in Syria and their fates as of now are unknown. And our thoughts are going out to them as we report on this story. Yes, it is released has rekindled debate in Japan about reporting from war zones that sums. See as reckless adventurism and others as courageous journalism one Twitter user named CoCo said, I want him to apologize and worked to pay back to ransom. I don't need to hear his opinion. Well, I'm not sure where this Twitter user gets their information. Perhaps they know more than we do at this point. We we've been told that no ransom has been paid, but Japan today readers weren't very sympathetic either. Vernon watts writes, dear Japanese foreign ministry. Do not issue. This guy a passport or he will go back to doing the same thing that got him captured in Syria. Dangle Bong ads please don't treat this guy. Like a hero. He has already cost people too much money. Bailing him out of his situation because he was poking his camera where it didn't belong. All right. Well, creek counters someone has to go and report, what is happening factual reporting has a price unless you are happy to repeat the reports generated by other countries reporters as for any ransom compared. To what this government spends daily with no return. I think that's a moot point. Well, pretty divisive story personally. I think we need the facts, and I'm a siding with creaky a little bit there. Somebody has to report it, especially somebody who's following up on investigating the savage killing of a friend and colleague in the news gathering business. What do you think visit us at Japan today dot com, and let us know your thoughts. Well, our next story is a follow up to one. We brought you in our August tenth episode since the summer at least eighty one medical schools, including Tokyo Medical University, the first one to be found out as well as June ten dough and show. A universities have come under fire for altering the exam scores of women applicants they allegedly did this to curb female enrolment and avoid shortage of doctors at hospitals on the grounds at female doctors tend to resign or take long leaves after getting married or giving birth this week a group of those women demanded compensation from Tokyo Medical University to make amends for wrongly denying their applications. Lawyers for the women who were rejected by the school after taking entrance exams from two thousand six onwards acknowledged they cannot yet prove whether they were rejected because of discrimination or insufficient test scores, but they are calling on the university to disclose those results. The women included doctor who has. Obviously already made the cut. Elsewhere students currently enrolled at other medical schools and women who have now taken jobs in other fields and independent probe found that Tokyo Medical University had disqualified about one quarter of female applicants who should have been offered places based on their original on altered test scores during two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen will here's what Japan today. Readers think Zack says nothing can compensate the time they lost and the dreams that were broken by the school while Kyushu Bill blames prime minister, Shinzo Ave. Gotta blame it on somebody. I guess he says dear leader Coon keeps blabbing about more women in the workplace yet, this slobbering doddering Ondaatje refuses to punish those caught discriminating against said women typical L D P wasteland. Okay. Well couple of definitions for you here. Oh, yeah. G is the Japanese term for old men and can be used rather disparagingly as it is in this case and the L D P. Well, that's. The current ruling liberal Democratic Party here in Japan of which prime minister Ave is the head. We were up in arms when we reported on this story in August. And personally, I'm not too surprised that we've seen other Japanese medical institutions get embroiled in the scandal. I'm just wondering why it took so long. What are your thoughts on the story? Visit us at Japan today dot com, and let us know. Our next story should strike it chord with every divorced parent who has been denied any visitation rights with their child as sad. But all too common occurrence here in Japan. Many foreign men and even more Japanese men, formerly married to Japanese women have been battling depends legal system in vain for years to gain access to their children, whether that's for custody or even just temporary visits tough laws and cultural norms that overwhelmingly see mothers granted sole custody after a divorce eighty percent of the time. In fact, according to official figures mean that fathers rarely see their children again. Yes, you heard that correctly, many fathers never even get to see their kids again while Japan is only recently signed in April two thousand fourteen to be exact the nineteen eighty Hague Convention on international child Duchesne's a multilateral treaty. Designed to prevent a parent from moving child to another country thereby blocking access for the former partner. The US State Department says that Tokyo still demonstrates pattern of noncompliance with the pact. The department's two thousand eighteen report described limitations in Japanese law such as requirements that direct enforcement take place in the home and presence of the taking parent meaning that regardless of where apparent lives. They would be required to be in Japan to apply for help administrate the custody action that the child willingly leave with the taking parent and that the child face no risk of psychological harm with opinion divided on what causes the most trauma to children. The fact remains that the longer child is separated from one parent, the more reluctant authorities here are to intervene Japan today. Reader alley Rustam says if Japan is in violation of the head convention, which it is there should be sanctions imposed on it as that would make it a rogue state in violation of international law. This is a human rights issue. Rod sums it up like this divorces where the true character comes out of both. Sexes greed to get hold of other person's assets in an unfair manner child custody where one parent tries to make it as difficult as possible for the other family interference generally in bad way. Not all couples are like this. But there is a pretty good trend across the world. Good points. This is a long running story here in Japan. And it just doesn't seem to be getting any better. Or if it does it's happening. Very very slowly. I seen the damage. It's done to families firsthand here, and my heart goes out to any and all parents facing these stances here in Japan and anywhere for that matter. Well, what do you think? Visit us at Japan today dot com leaves a comment on this story and your views on it. Also, if you'd like some help or to help with this issue one very good resource to visit is the Zona parent child reunion project headed by John Gomez here in Tokyo, you can visit them at WWW dot Kizza. Dash CPR dot org. That's WWW dot Kizza K I Zad, Hugh and a dash. That's dash not the word dash C P R dot org. Our next story doesn't quite fit into our weirdo story of the week category. Which we usually bring you at this point in the show, but it certainly fits into fiendish plot of the week. Here we go a fifteen year old boy who was arrested on suspicion of killing his eighty seven year old grandfather and attempting to kill his eighty two year old grandmother at their home in walk-o in Saitama prefecture has told police he also planned to kill a classmate from his school, the boy who lived in the same apartment with his grandparents left home after attacking them on the night of October eighteenth, the boys Fifty-three-year-old mother who happens to live apart from her son had gone to check up on her parents after being contacted by the grandmother while the boy was taken into custody the next morning twenty kilometers from his home near go station on the Tobu toge line when he was apprehended he had four knives in a bag, including one covered with bloodstains that the police. Said was used to attack his grandparents police said the boy has admitted to the charge of killing his grandfather. And attempting to kill his grandmother in further questioning this week police said the boy told them he had gone to the station to ambush and murder a classmate from his high school, they quoted the boy as saying I wanted to kill a classmate whom I just couldn't forgive for bullying me. I knew that this would cause trouble for my family. So I decided to kill them. I how courteous of him what considerate and kind young men. Let's hear from Japan today. Readers, Vince, black rights locked this little nutcase up for life. No chance for rehabilitation. He went that far at fifteen he'll do it again. And give me a break says. Oh, lord. This boy is like Michael Myers in the making Michael Myers. If you remember is the slasher the protagonist antagonised in the grizzly Halloween movie series. This story is certainly. Gruesomely appropriate for this time of year. That previous story makes for fitting intro to our next one though on this one we're going to turn away from the downright grizzly to the hauntingly and festively ghoulish. It's Halloween season in Japan. Actually, it's been Halloween season in Japan since early September when Halloween merchandise started appearing in stores sorta like back home in the west when Christmas stuff starts appearing in stores right after Halloween. If you've never been in Japan during Halloween, you are in for an eye opening experience in the last five years Halloween has exploded in popularity mainly due to social media. And it's now the second most popular imported festive season in Japan after Christmas. It has also clips the Christmas and New Year's season in terms of number of events and parties and the revenues they generate with well over two thousand of them. Occurring in October in Tokyo alone. Usually the time of year for gatherings with family and friends around Christmas and New Year's -ocial guts holidays here in Japan in January. Well, how lean is a perfect fit for the land. That had vented cost play cost play is the dressing up as your favorite characters in animated movies, and manga and comics such although there is no trick or treating here. Japanese people. Love getting dressed up to take part in Halloween parades that attract tens of thousands of people in Kawasaki reporting, and the biggest gathering of all at Tokyo's famous Shively scramble crossing if you're there on the night of October thirty first you'll see masses of Japanese people in costumes just hanging around on the streets, not going anywhere in particular, by the way out on those streets for the past two years. Donald Trump mass. Asks have been among the most popular costumes for the most part everybody behaves themselves with police on hand to whisk away any drunks gropers or pickpockets who get spotted many Japanese surge into local stores and restaurants Shiva to change into their costumes because they don't like wearing them on the trains, and that is caused a few problems in the past. So local authorities now put up makeshift changing rooms in parks and other areas around cities, it's all a far cry from the nineteen eighties back then the only sign of Halloween. Most Tokyoites saw was a group of foreigners in costumes who used to ride. The Yemeni train line every year on October thirty first to celebrate. What was then known as Kabul tie, which means pumpkin festival in English. The Minotti line is the one of the most popular train lines in Tokyo. It's the circular green line that everybody likes to ride and aside. People who used to take part on that train ride used to get a lot of shave from Japanese people riding the trains back then Japan today reader, toasted heretic comments, it's great fun altogether. When you consider it's gala gorge Ines and what it's become now. I had to laugh at the Trump masks being sold in Ueno last year terrifying. Yes. Truly terrifying. Indeed. Well, what do you think about the way how the Wayne is celebrated in Japan? Visit us in our have your say section on Japan, today dot com, and share your opinion. It's under heavier say, what do you think about the way how the lean is celebrated in Japan? And that was a scary quick recap of the news from Japan this week for October twenty sixth thanks to the Japan today editors for curing the stories, and as always thanks so much to all of you, our listeners readers and commenters out there, you can find links to all of the news mentioned in this podcast in the show notes below since the news from Japan. Never stops. Follow us on Twitter at at pan today for all of the breaking stories. Join our Facebook page forward slash Japan today for more news and comments if you just can't get enough. Of course, you can. And you should visit the Japan today website anytime at Japan today dot com, if you have a question or comment about the show or the website where always happy to hear from you get in touch with us by Email at podcast at two pan today dot com, and we'll try to answer it on the next episode or one after that, you can get Japan this week on Google or apple podcasts and. Now on Spotify, or at whatever podcast store you shop at if you're listening on an iphone simply say, hey, Siri subscribed to Japan this week podcast. If you find our show, informative, or at least, entertaining, please leave us a rating or view on apple or Google podcasts from Japan today. Newsroom at media in Tokyo. 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Wednesday 26 September
"You're listening to the monocle daily first broadcast on the twenty. Sixth of September, two thousand eighteen on monocle twenty four the monocle daily in association with UBS. Volley from Dory house in London. This is the monocle daily. I'm tigon. Right. And coming up on the program, midterm meddling, Donald Trump lashes out at China, claiming they're trying to influence the outcome of forthcoming elections. We'll hear from the man who wrote a book on how to rig an election. Also ahead, cutting off, journalists, Austria's, chancellor, Sebastian, Kurz denies that his government is trying to crush critical stories by limiting press access to police sources and six degrees. That's all that supposed to separate us. Our correspondent in Toronto meets the founders of an event. Let's trying to bring us even closer together. I was noticing that my producers were emailing each other and they were in offices next door to each other. And our program meeting I said, I forbid, you absolutely to Email anybody who's in this office, you go into their office and you talk to them will also review Asia's morning newspapers and take a dip into the world of branding where Dunkin's is all abashed donuts. It's no more all that coming up on the monocle daily live from London starting now. Welcome to the program. I'm tigon mice. Now, election meddling is the geopolitical tomfoolery of the moment. Most people believe the claims that Russia has been trying to influence electoral outcomes in many of its rival nations. In recent years. That said though many western superpowers have been meddling another democracies for decades, but now with an audience of world leaders before him, US president dole Trump is turned the spotlight on China saying that it's trying to interfere in the forthcoming mid-term elections which could make or break his presidency. His theory presented without evidence is that Beijing does not want him to win because he's the first US president to challenge them on trade or Brian class is an assistant professor in global politics as University College London, and should know bit about this being the co author of a book called how to rig an election. Our welcome to the program Brian and are quite the same type of rigging play here. But anyway, that's push on 'em. I guess Donald Trump is is actually probably right. About one thing that China would probably rather see the back of him and but is he necessarily ranch about the other? So Trump is conflicting. Two very different concepts. There's information warfare, which is sometimes referred to as meddling in which I think is actually pl- downplaying. What Russia's been doing, which is involved with this information hacking active disinformation operations that are aimed at influencing directly, the outcome of the election, and then what China has been doing, which is basically punching back on tariffs. Now they've been punching back in a smart way which means they're targeting the tariffs towards places where Trump tends to have support. So in other words, they've been putting targeted tariffs on soybeans to try to, you know, affect the mid west, but this is not unlike what other countries have been doing to retaliate. For tariffs, for example, Mexico and Canada, put tariffs on a Harley Davidson motorcycles. Targeting Paul, Ryan's home district in Wisconsin others of targeted bourbon and Kentucky where Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader's from so, you know, he's conflicting. These two things. Now. That's different from the claim that rushed that China will not and never and never has done anything to influence American elections. They have the capability to do it. And so the question is, will they actually pull that trigger now there's no publicly available evidence that they have, but they could go down the road of Russia in the future if they feel that it's in their interest to do so. So what is your categorization of the difference between meddling and interference and Dan right hacking where where are the distinctions that UC? So what China is doing normal foreign policy, at least the publicly available knowledge, right? Like retaliation for tariffs is what happens when a trade war starts. This is not an attempt to influence elections, just a smart way to respond to tariffs that is totally separate from what Russia has been doing over time, which is directly targeting political adversaries that they think would be less favorable to their interests with hacking in which legal within leaky helping leak. That information using troll armies and bought online for disinformation and spreading fake genuinely false news reports about. People that they think would be less favorable to their interests. So that's a very big difference from what China's doing with Tara. This were any other president, we probably be putting a lot more stock in what he says and and keep in mind. The president's are actually more privy to more intelligence than you or I would be, and he would be the first I, she were a leader to call China out and trying to ex- exercise influence excessively, shall we say in in other countries. I mean, Austrailia is very much how to a diplomat expat of late with China over this. That's right. So these are all very apt points. China is not by any means a good player on the global stage. They're involved in a huge number of cyber influence at cyber hacking, you know tax around the world. But the question here is whether Trump is just saying this because he's annoyed that they're putting tariffs on parts of his base which are upsetting him or whether he's privy to intelligence that has not been made public now. That's totally possible. And it is possible that China will play a role in the two thousand eighteen midterms your point though, that you let into this question with his. Extremely important, which is that nobody really listens to Trump anymore. And when he says something of the UN, this should be a world shaking moment. And instead people are sort of like, is this actually true? And that's why I think there's a real damage being done to the office of the presidency that people just don't believe him. I mean, yesterday they laughed at him in the general assembly today, it sort of people shrug about this extremely serious accusation because the most obvious and most likely explanation for it is Trump's ego got in the way and he's upset that people who are his political supporters, getting effected by normal trade policy during a trade war. Is anyone the worst though as a result of this? I mean people for, you know, Trump opponents for a long time have been talking about who's the the threat. He poses to American democracy the the threat he poses to to America's place in in the world. And yet here we are. I think everyone probably assumed that America will will will bounce back in the post Trump era which will come about. I think time will tell. I mean, you know, it's, it's been a very short time. It's it feels like decades, but it's, you know, it's only been twenty months that he's been in office. I mean, it could be eight years of this you we could still have six and a half more years. So I think time will tell him that I also think that you know the laughter and the general assembly yesterday I, it was the sound of American soft power dying in in front of the world and south power is something that's very difficult to sort of pinpoint. It's hard for us to sit here in an interview and say, this is where America got weaker, but over time, if the US president is a laughing stock that no one really believes or trusts anymore. That is dangerous. Not just for US security, but also for international security because of the role the US plays in guaranteeing security for so much the world in particular Europe, Japan, etc. So I think over time this Rozhin of America's place in the world will actually make the world less safe and could still have serious affects for American demain. Chrissy going forward. Okay. Brian class, they're allowed to leave. Thank you very much for joining us. You are listening to monocle twenty four. This is the multiple daily life. Judy, one at Midori house in London. Now, new row is invalid Austria's new government over claims that it's trying to limit journalists from critical publications and getting information from the police, the interior ministry, which is controlled by the far-right Freedom Party in Australia's coalition. Government has written to regional police forces telling them to limit their communications with journalists to the legal minimum requirement on singly at newspapers, such as standard and courier, which have reported extensively in how the Freedom Party's been directing the ministry, which of Sebastian courts has insisted that his government is not attempting to limit press freedom. Tessa Shishkov, which is the UK correspondent for profile magazine, and she joins me now in the studio welcome Tessa am. First of all, could you tell us a little bit of the type of stories that these newspapers have been running about the goings on at the interior ministry, plight of this Email. So it was not a law was not a directive, but it was an Email with recommendations that went out to this police stations and pilot of the Email was directly referring to cases of violent incidents. If they are committed by foreigners, it should be pointed out that they were committed by furnace. While usually you don't have names and and sort of ethnic background mentioned before in the investigation has taken place in people have been proven guilty. So there's a certain tendency in this whole Email which is quite worrying for not only for the media for the population at large, very much fits the Bill of what the Freedom Party is is known for, and it's a base stoking tension show. We say, between the old Austrian community and engine, you're Australians if you want to put them into those categories. But can you give me a little bit of the background to this story. Actually, what these newspapers, what kind of intrigue they were reporting on the stories that have gotten the interior ministry and the Freedom Party in particular upset. They will big scandal of this year. Was it in February two thousand eighteen the new, the new leadership. If you want the new minister head his own ministry invaded by police forces in order to as they claim to uproot some corrupt network of officials and to get a hold of some information. And this is a real scandal, which is now in an inquiry in parliament being invested to see what what went wrong there and, and what what information do really wanted to get hold on end. So this the entire interior ministry to the home secretary habit kicking who's. In. Politician does not come from an any part of the liberal of wing in the in. The Freedom Party is sort of. He was the chief ideologue of the Freedom Party for a long time and his Sinophobic PR policies have been well known. So this fits a little bit into this entire spectrum of this government. What about how Sebastian courts has responded? Obviously, he is not off the Freedom Party, but he is sharing government with the for imparting we actually saw shift this week and last week for the first time. Now, Sebastian Kurz chose not to stay silent in conflict that the that is collision party produced. And that's quite interesting because it seems that now after year he becomes also more. Self confident, and he sees also more the need to distance himself when it comes to. Outrageous actions of his coalition. And yes, he's saying that this is not an effort to control the press. I mean, z. trying to draw the sanction between the fact that this is just an Email from an advisor in the interior ministry, or is he trying to suggest that actually, the intentions of this Email were different to how it's is being reporters? Well, I think that he and his political views a not of the sort the, he would push an illiberal agenda towards the media. And even the home secretary habit kicked, they in parliament is after noon that he knew nothing of this Email. And if we all think that he should know every Email at one of his six thousand officials would right. But of course kick, they've created in an atmosphere in the ministry by bringing in as chief of communication, deep, broaden a man who was working at at a website. It was. More or less the Austrian Breitbart. So this is not an official that has been working in normal PR policies. I mean this, this, this, this. Officials new leaders of this ministry com from an unusual part of the Australian society. Are there any indications of this stage as as it is probably quite an early stage as to how the police forces to whom this Email was written are likely to to respond because I, I would imagine that you know the the types of passing of information that's at the heart of this is not through official channels anyway, because police forces are not supposed to talk in Andy great extents to journalists anyway. But as we all know, good journalists have good contacts within police forces who share information strategically well at the moment. I think they stopped this affair because the prime minister, the president, the entire population, the society, the media spoke out against it, the editor in chief of the weekly paper filter, which was one of those. Media been named as critical media. Detroit be cut off from information. He said his thinks that the press freedom in Austria is not necessarily in danger, but it's under pressure. And even if this is not the decisive point, but the idea to try to see how far they can go. And if there's an outcry against it is certainly something that we will see again and where the civil society and political system has to stand up against it prolongs has government bene- Parreno. It's not even a year on the house. It kind of bedding down as it were with the general Australian public, especially those who would not have supported the Freedom Party, but also quite interesting with those who who might have supported the Freedom Party. Well, interestingly, I think the our young prime ministers past them quotes who is a conservative of a. People's Party that has always been a centre-right. He is very popular, and I think that the way he distanced himself today is probably serving him in the opinion polls because people felt that the Freedom Party that this is the type of policies that go a little bit too far. So this comes too close to Auburn, ISM to Hungary and way of introducing a liberal policies. And I think the Austrian society is not ready for this yet. And so at the moment, I think that the conservative party and Mr. courts a winning from conflict like this while the Freedom Party will lose popularity as a coalition partner that pushes the limits to talk. Courts and you know, from the outside looking in, you might assume that actually getting into bed with a party like the Freedom Party would be damaging to his overall brand. But I mean, how is he weathering that that storm? It's interesting that you say that because you would really think so. And I think Australia has chosen relatively sort of special way of taking a far-right party into the government. It's the only government in in western Europe that has done so. And for the moment, as long as Mr. quits is trying to control his far-right coalition partner by policies that can still be considered, maybe conservative, maybe right wing, but not too much on the far end. He can actually win in the in the popularity contests with the waters is. He waiting for the opportunity to pull the trigger on another election to to to copperfasten, I suppose, popularity and hopefully govern with less toxic partner. What is long term strategy is we have to see because so far for the first almost year of government, they were presenting quite a unified face which was astonishing and also radical concerning for some for some observers. And now we have seen for the first time a little crack. Also last week, the conservative members of the European parliament voted for sort of introducing a political process of of against Hungary and and the conservative members voted with these general conservative members of the European parliament. So it's now. Now, a bit of a shift in policies were were, maybe this cracks will become deeper, but so far I don't think that mister quits has a plan to quickly change the coalition because so far is quite popular and his pulling the strings. Okay. From profile magazine, thank you very much for coming in to talk to us. You're listening to the monocle daily up. Next we're hearing from six degrees in Toronto. That's not the temperature there. UBS has nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharp is and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. This mall. No one knows you find out how we can help you contact us at UBS dot com. Perspective and some fresh ideas, direct your door on business culture and design not to mention fashion travel and much more subscribed today and join the world of Monaco as a valued subscriber. You get a ten percent discount in all monocle shops and our online store. 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Because of course, one of the things that happened with sue Gardner's wonderful laugh untamed Baldwin lecture was she alerted us and pulled together what we've all suspected which is. We are in great danger in our democracy from technology because now we are instead of being consumers of it, we are being consumed. By it and we are being used by it. What we do about it was the hopeful part, which is that I think by having meetings like this and conversations like this, where we discussed the language that used to try to persuade us where we discuss the four in which we can have discussions what we do for the future when we discuss the nature citizenship, whether it's an exclusive kind of term because it gives you certain rights and those who don't have don't have them. I think we really have a basis for thinking about it for the future. We're not blank screens we've been written upon, and I think that really helps to follow from that point, John, you may depend on your closing remarks at the end of the session this afternoon about those who become citizens of a place from some Morales are often not thought of as the as the strongest sort of citizens. But you argue that actually those people who have thought and Quested and worked to become a member of whatever. Sort of place or territory organization actually should be seen as the most engaged in active citizens, new members of a place. Why was that an important point for you to sort of get across? Well, you know, there's no question tomography is at risk and people are starting to realize extent to which it it's bits risk. I mean the great. I think breakthrough in a way at this, this gathering was not simply that sue Gardner started this conversation a big conversation about how the new internet doesn't really work for democracy, but it gets people to the stage where they say, this is just the latest wave of replacements for democracy and you democracy. This isn't have to turn around and say, we are going to regulate you. We're going to tax the hell out of you. We're gonna make sure you serve us and that we don't serve you. But, but the other element that is sort of we're distracted from is democracy has is about power. In the power comes from the citizenry, but those who exercise power always like to pretend it comes from them. So you know, it's been white men and then it's become men to some extent there now women, but it's always this idea that those who are at the core of power are the norm of of democracy. And that of course, has never actually been true. It's never been true. And what's what's so interesting in it was you know, one, Christina, we know well, who's physically handicapped got up and spoke in it, and it reminded me of conversations I've always had, which is that people who, in any way are excluded from the core of power physically mentally or by who they are color religion or where they come from are very often the most likely people to be the greatest defenders of democracy in the greatest actors in democracy. And if you're an immigrant and this is the complete opposite of what Trump and all those sorts of people are saying, if you're an immigrant or refugee, even if. Coming from country consumed by civil war, you know Syria bomb today, right? Even so it is so difficult to leave your where you belong to leave everything behind and to take all those risks and to go somewhere else and to reinvent your life. So those people have already shown extent to which they're very conscious. You have to be very conscious to do that, and you have to be very courageous to do that, and you have to be decisive. And those are three of the principal characteristics of a good citizen of an engaged, and so they've already got it, they arrive and they've already got it. And actually it proves that the Canadian theory of immigration citizenship, which is right, which is one someone's here. We want them to be citizens as fast as possible. You don't want people to have to hang around waiting. You want them thrown into the mix so that they can start taking part of the burden of being a citizen along with all of us picking up on the idea of courage that a delegate from Quebec. I think she said was from she made a plea, really. I suppose result put down our mobile phones or computers or wherever they are and live in the moment. And she, I thought, rather sort of poignantly said that even smiling someone on the street or asking how someone is, you know, really should be seen still as kind of a very powerful and essential part of being a citizen of whatever sort of place you. You consider yourself to be a citizen of is something as simple as that an affective sort of counter to, I suppose, a time that feels like a pretty angry one a pretty divided one at the moment. I think it's very necessary to understand these things. My last job in television was as executive producer of my series Adrienne Clarkson presents and I left that in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. So that's a long time ago. But in the ten years that I was doing it emails if they were coming in and I was noticing that my producers were emailing each other and they were in offices next door to each other and our program meeting. I said, I forbid, you absolutely to Email anybody who's in this office, you go into their office and you talk to them. And I have noticed more and more that it's a detachment that even is frightening. When I was little. I was addicted to the telephone. I still am really, I love making telephone calls and I will do that above all because I like to hear people's voices. I like to hear their pauses between what they're saying to me, and I feel that's the human connection that just something as small as that I think shows you that a lot of our children are you don't understand that they don't get the significance of the human indicators. And I think that's a great shame. And of course it has very profound repercussions later. It's like little ripples build into huge salami on just a final force, but six degrees is going from strength to strength is growing very quickly things. Could you give us a quick sense of the terrain of six degrees to come? You mentioned them at the end of this afternoon's debate and what you hope. The the way I suppose the conversation's been had here of the past few days how they'll sort of translate into context like Berlin or Calgary or or elsewhere as the as this organization grows. We started in Toronto and then we'll have another center in Mexico City. We've just signed an agreement with a foundation, very interesting people in Mexico City, and it's basically an agreement. Let's hope it happens. But that will do a six degrees in Mexico City every year for the next six years. And here's the really interesting part after the first year idea is, and the Mexican ideas will actually go maybe two days later to places like Tijuana border towns and things where the crisis or the southern border into Chapas and hold them there for a day. And so how do you have an impact? How do you change the discourse? How do you make people feel? There's another possibility. That's what we're trying to do with six degrees and I, we can't do them everywhere, but we can do it enough that people will start. Realizing there's another way of thinking and talking about citizenship, Joan Rolston, soul there and Adrienne. Clarkson speaking to Monaco's Thomas Lewis that the six degrees summers in Toronto, here's some of the other stories that we're following on the monocle daily. A third allegation of sexual misconduct has been made against Brett Kavanagh Donald Trump's latest nominee to fill a vacancy on the US supreme court. Judy, sweat Nick told the Senate Judiciary committee that he was one of a group of men who raped her while she was at a party in the early eighties, mister Cavanaugh has denied her claim. Security sources have confirmed that the realized entity has been uncovered of one of the Russian men suspected of carrying out a Kremlin-sponsored poisoning in England. The man originally named by British investigators as roseland Borisov who later appeared on Russian television claiming to have been innocent tourist is in fact a decorated Colonel called Anatoly Kapika and a former Google employee has written to US lawmakers describing what he called its disturbing plans in China. Jack Poulsen claims that Google is helping to produce a product known as Dragonfly, which would help Beijing monitor its citizens activity says its work in China. So far has been exploratory. This is the daily. To go behind the scenes now in the world of diplomatic policy planning. Some my call them the unsung heroes of geopolitics with a Brazilian diplomat Filipina sir, takes us there in his book about diplomatic planners from eighteen countries plus the EU. It is the first time that anyone has written a bios and contrast is the policy planning techniques of countries from Russia to the US when the officer spoke to Monica financial Augusta Vish echo about the book the road ahead. The twenty first century world order in the eyes of policy planners planning when it comes to diplomacy, it's it's a fairly new activity. It's star in the United States in the nineteen forties, of course, with legendary diplomat George Kennan and ever since a number of countries have created similar units, policy planning units within their foreign services. An interesting enough, those policy planners, regardless of being career diplomats, they don't talk to each other as much as he would think. And we thought that this by spirit had. This project by getting policy planners all around the world to write chapters about their views on the global order on the challenges of global governance. This would be a way to get them together into reflect together and to contrast their opinions. We have learned that there was a similar effort done in the late nineteen seventies, I think, but this was only a gathering four or five countries, all of them from the traditional developed western world, and our project reunites a bigger number of countries with a more diverse background. And we do not reflect on the activity of policy planning itself. The book is about the international issues facing the international community, Warren peace, distribution of power, trade climate, change the ceremony in the non-proliferation, so on and so forth. And in the book coming, you have policy planners from different countries from Argentina, Germany, Japan, Mexico. It is quite variable. I must say, how was the reaction of those planets when you. Ask them to write the piece that is in the book, the single criteria we use to choose or to invite other policy planners was to identify which countries had a standing tradition in policy planning. And this was the case outside of Brazil as well as the paean union countries with a tradition in policy planning. And you wrote, of course, the Brazil chapter is well how Brazil and policy planning. When did this became a serious issue in the country. Maybe I should spend a word in describing what policy planning is an what is it's not. So a lot of people because it's a recent activity when it comes to diplomacy, it's often mistaken for future telling and it's not the case policy planning usually deals with speechwriting with paper certification, and especially with elaborating medium and long-term scenarios to assist a given foreign ministers decision making processes. So in Brazil has come and gone in the past forty or fifty years. And it has been established unit within the ministry a surly since the mid two thousand. And I would like to talk more about Brazil's diplomatic role in the world you being as a diplomatic. Do you think Brazil has actually quite a strength when it comes to policy planning in general? I think so in one of the reasons why is because Brazil is a multilateral actor by definition. So we are in favour, and we're a big defender of the regimes, like I said in when it comes to trade to non-proliferation to the environment, climate change human rights and the like, and this the causes, the Dow diplomacy defense are those in some ways that are aligned with those with with the values and the interests of of humanity makes our diplomacy, one of the assets that Brazil has to show abroad and in the book. I mean, you have the views from the US from Russia. How different are they not non Tony, the US in Russia, but do you see kind of lot of different looks on how countries deal with policy planning? So what's what's critical about this book. Is because we didn't invite the foreign ministers or the political directors of of each foreign services to write a chapter. We invited the policy planners and because policy planners sort of stand in the way or in the crossroads between the worlds of ideas and political action. They sort of have a poetic license to to right outside of their countries talking points. And this is the single thing that I would highlight in the book. So yes, a lot of countries or a lot of the authors, they reflect on the issues from both a personal intellectual academic perspective, but also from their capitals point of view. And because of that, we have different opinions coming from those those nine hundred authors and not always authors agree on everything. If you know what I mean and Philipe towels for our listeners more about what you do at a Tamara cheap. So being a member of the policy planning staff under the leadership of my co editor only valley. So what we do is a lot of speechwriting for the Brazilian diplomatic authorities. We tried to elaborate medium and long-term scenarios for political action. And this book was a special project like I said before, because it for the first time, at least as far as we could recollect policy planners from all over the world are gathered within the same project. So we spend a lot of diplomatic urging trying to get all those guys together. And hopefully this will be a project that will keep going regardless of its format or the composition or or whatever. And Philip, if our listeners are interested of a look at a copy of the road ahead, where can they excess material? I'm glad you asked for and under because I wanted to say the book was written in English because we wanted to broaden the audience beyond the Brazilian Portuguese, speaking circles. So it was all the chapters written in English and phonology, which is the publishing house attached to Brazil's. Foreign ministry has made the book available for free download. So give them their website. So everyone of your listeners can check it out so they should find it at a WW. W. dot Funaki which is f. u. n. a. g. dot gov, dot b. r. as in Brazil Philippe announcer, they're one of the editors of the road ahead. Thank you to Fernando Augusta Vish echo for that report. Still ahead on the monocle daily will have a review of Asia's latest newspaper stories. That's next before we go. One of the biggest names in doughnuts has dropped it. You're listening to the monocle daily with me. Tiger rice, stay with us. At the time in Beijing is five thirty five. It's twenty to thirty five here in London time for a check on the Asian front pages. Now who joined today by Dr Rahman Pacheco, Pardo a senior lecturer in international relations. I kings haulers London welcome very much Aramon 'em you're taking his first of all at to Korea just because there's the stock out, Kenya, wound, possibly visiting South Korea. They come in the first North Korean leader to since the end of the Korean war under discussion, whether he will be hit his success stories, Tom, North Carolina province indeed. So this piece you picked for us from the career junior and daily asks the question like so many modern internet stories like depose rather than actually gives us the answer will came visit his ancestor's grave. Do you think is likely in has significant? Would it be if he chose to do so? Well, actually, your second question I would be very significant actually because I actually his family comes from what is now South Korea. They can trace the roots back to thirteen century. So obviously very well known family in in in the whole of the Korean peninsula. I think he would like cheeks clear channel -fensive an attorney in South Korea, the global level, which with a US on with China as well. The Kushner is just the logistics under security. I think it would be possible to so, but he would be exposed to more protests you more difficult from a security point of view. So he might not be the best choice for this. I recently choke about it being part of his charm, offensive. I mean, some people would say denuclearization will be charming enough, but in terms of this actual visage, why do you think that perhaps South Koreans might be might be. Charmed by this, is it because they like to think of the north as their as their brethren us that they are, you know that the separated part of of the peninsula and perhaps north actually likes to to to put that separation that differentiation between themselves and the south. Well, I happen to be the first time today is year in in in April and soul. An it's true that the way that commune speaks and treats moon chain, and generally the way he talks about South Korea's very different from his father and from nineteen Todd Kerns have picked on on these the way that he's different with. No, whether this theater politics, hurry want to call it. But this is different from his father and grandfather. And I think that's why South Koreans are more hopeful that he is willing to bring denigration as you said on peace to the Korean peninsula. Okay. You're taking us to Japan next and a piece under the Asahi Shimbun which talks about well as a sexism scandal. Yes, this was the sexiest candle in in in Tokyo Medical University. They were lower in the course of a female applicants who have lower number of female students. And now for the first time in history that university self a country sisters, nineteen, sixteen, they're pointing a female president actually to the university. Let's rewind a little bit. So this is a Medical University in Tokyo that was actually lowering the scores of female applicants to to discriminate against. Hello. Who's this going on for well until twenty ten? There was no discrimination and female Lukens made have up to forty percent of the intake and they wanted to reduce this number this percentage. So from twenty ten there has been discrimination going on and the number of female applicants who actually made it university was between two hundred thirty percents at least eight years of discrimination. Absolutely astonishing stuff. Analysis piece points. I the the new president is fifty six. Year old, he Kiko high Ashi an, I'd like to think that perhaps she's replacing whatever president was overseeing this system is the case. Well, that's the case. Absolutely. That appears personnel has been removed. And also they want to send an important signal which is well, they are open to to Freeman applicants again, female students, Animale, eh, female leaders. In this case, I, I must say, I did know that Japan is a little bit behind the rest of the world or good bit behind. Maybe if this is proof when it comes to equality of the sexes. But I mean, this seems like an utterly astonishing story and I just wonder how you know, to what extent, what kind of shock waves it set off within Japan or was there a shrugging of shoulders whereas what you mentioned? Because obviously as prime minister, he has tried to plant yourself as more female friend. Here's implanted policies actually favoring we menaced in the workforce or access in different types of jobs for this just run counter to his policy. So I think there has been criticism. Towards it because they had changed coming from the top, but semi students are not willing to change like this one. Okay. Let's move on. Shall we to to China PCP data the China, Daily forest as Shanghai, imposing heavy fines for mixing source of garbage. So basically and make sure your recyclables or in the right bin. This on this London, a very issue, very global issue, but the pollen in China, listen and high is that those have to the competence have to sort garbage than do it properly. So even if people try to sort of their own garbage than the other, they doesn't really matter. And the way to deal with this in Shanghai at least is through fines. So this is actually, this is not a consumer behavior. This is about the company's actually dealing with our with rubbish in Shanghai, and they were not at preserving, shall we say, the separation, the good work that consumers had gone to the ordinary people are going to two separate their rubbish. And I mean. Why was it a kind of a case of laziness or incompetence or seems. Away of a case of cutting costs, the fighter much perfume have to work right, or you pretend you do it or even with properly. So it was more about cost-cutting more than a laziness or any other thing. And it is interesting that actually relationship high citizens are becoming more conscious more the need this, but the companies after sorted which were doing it properly. I think many major centers in in China given the intense air pollution that they've been suffering. This for years are very quickly coming to grips and hopping on, shall we say when it comes to treating the environment with with respect and well, let's talk about something that's not being treated respect. We're going to to to Taiwan next where this picture that you've picked for from the or the the PC paycheck from the South China Morning, post features a very dramatic picture of a bulldozer, climbing up steps towards a Buddhist temple. What's going on in the store. Well has been kind of in Taiwan. Actually, the fact that this is a Buddhist temple incited citizen actually that owns the temple. He opened a Chinese, communist shrine. So it is not about the fact that the Chinese communism it's been supported by. I want to see this because that's allow this Chrissy, but it's more about the the fact that they've this was then subversively and the building wasn't being used for s- purpose, which is as we set up with Stemple. So this was an official effort as it were to remove this communist shrine within the borough samples, I rice, yes. And so kind of sanction by the government or by the local authorities and tear we see, like you say, a big turquoise bulldozer, a rather, you know, incredibly am mounting, a big Fleischer steps. I've never seen a bulldozer at that angle before tearing into this Buddhist temple. I mean, you mentioned there. Taiwan is a democracy, but it has it said territorial spews with with China, which likes to think of it as as as part of China, and but there is a respect you're saying for. Those with with communist sympathies in in Taiwan because because it is democracy, it's not the case that this wasn't akeso of supporting communists in this case of how you stability maturity, many Taiwanese, especially younger Taiwanese. They're afraid that China actually wants to take over the country even by force if necessary. So there has been now, why did they betting society where this should be allowed with your speech should include the the right? For example, to rise Chinese, communist flack, for example, funny a bit like communism in its purest form, and this is a government which doesn't seem to be showing much respect for private property. Put it that way, and they will have to leave us Dr Rahman Pacheco part of senior lecturer in international relations at King's College, London. Thank you very much for joining us and take us through your pick of the Asian newspapers today. 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Everyday Helsinki central railway station is Finland's most visited building, but it significance for the Nordic nation lies and much more than just the number of people travelling through its doors. Here's Monica's Marcus hippie to explain. Hilson goose. This feel most familiar with in my home country, Finland. And if I was to choose the building means the most to me on doubtedly too many other people, it would have to be the Helsinki sensual railway station. Four, nine thousand nine years. This building student in the heart of housing for massive granite statues flank the entrance to the station and the talk locks. Our is one of the most photographed sites in the boss, in my opinion, the most exciting spects of this building connects to the place. It has people's lives and in Finnish history, two hundred thousand passengers travel through the station. Every day you can only mansion all the halos and could buys. From the year. So of the second World War when soldiers would take trains from here to the bustle fronts to the Moton day when new train line brings passengers here from the city's main airports all by the fast train to Moscow and Saint Petersburg, an example of how to countries once in a beta war with each other can create something for the common good in a way the station has had a role in bringing Finland together, at least on the same time zone before the era of railways. All finished on cities would follow their own local times when railways connects it them to each other said to be synchronized nationwide, what would have been opponents of timetables? Otherwise. This station has been a focal point in the Finnish history books when it has welcome Soviet all-russian presidents who have arrived the country by rail or in nineteen forty. One finish president curse the goalie collapsed, and died of heart attack. When he was about to board a train, having just resigned from his post. Considering how many state later have traveled through the station. It's a wonder that the building has a secret section notes. Everyone knows of a special VIP lounge for the president of Finland and their guests. As you might imagine, the space is no soap and public, but the beautiful smaller entrance to the president's section from outside the station racist, you're Yosef passersby. Today, the Helsinki central station is in a state of change while you're out of the company. That's the country's railway system has moved elsewhere releasing thousands of square meters of free office space, right in the heart of the new hotel is going to open at the premises. And the question is how you combine the history and the architecture legacy of the building with potentially hundreds of hotel rooms. And this is not the only controversy a couple of years ago. One of the most beautiful restaurant spaces at the station was handed over to a fast food chain, something that many still find disrespectful of the building. Next year, it will have been one hundred years since they're opening of the station was celebrated. The city around the building has changed drastically boss. I hope the station itself will remain as it is and on ruined, at least for another hundred years. Marcus hippie there. Wow. ING us with his native Finnish CA shin. You can hear more on the urban tomorrow at nineteen hundred hours London time or twenty one hundred hours. If you're just think from Helsinki. To make Dunkin donuts are always spring. Made the don't make them at least seven day time to make the donor. Doughnuts up to fifty to the riot. He's fresh day, no supermarket. Dowers a pretty county jingle. I'm sure you can all agree. But one bit of information there is out of days about the added self, whether or not they still supply fifty two times of donuts, add as immaterial because the famed American Donut maker Dunkin donuts is don't get donuts, no more. It is simply Dunkin now, although they haven't dumped their donuts altogether, they are still the specialty. But Duncan, once we known for the wide range of tasty things that you can get there such as coffee and all types of pastry. So they've dropped the Donut base from their name on join to analyze decision by the advertising and branding experts. Joan grant at welcome to the program. John point, they done this well, absolutely. Standard branding Medusa. It's the reason the Amazon dot com isn't cold bookstore, calm, and I haven't emission to make me in a researcher with Nando a few years ago, we were thinking of approaching yo sushi and the core of all pitch was going to be. They renamed themselves. Your sh. And the simple reason was the walk Amama was doing sushi and neither star student noodles, and they couldn't be known as just a sushi place. But it's kind of the mounting of facelift when you change something fundamentalists, the nine, you'll sending a strong signal. They've talked about in press releases the in this modernisation. I actually started cringe when they said we won't be nine on I nine terms, and I was just like some peo- fluff. Yeah, lies my son was say cringe. It was an astonished guy will fit that. It's been a week of short brands like whitewashes is just resign w. w I think the really interesting thing gung on the underneath. This is true that sixty percent of by dollars is coffee. So there is not rush now, but the word I think it just isn't very Multan to be sending hoops hoops of Doug debt and fat and then covered in sugar is is no, actually, that's not twenty. First century aspirational millennials is because I mean, I'm thinking of crispy creams, which is probably Duncan's biggest rival under so much excitement whenever is kind of makes a leap across. It's made the leave across the Atlantic. But whenever one is coming close to anybody, I know and, but it's not. When we got to like an authentic, Donna, and have the dirty burqa roles stack of pancakes. And we think it's really exhausted because it looks like a David Lynch movie. And actually the truth is that people who read it shouldn't be quite eating so many big gulps otas and radiometric needs to stop eating the stuff and actually Brown's latte, mcdonnell's have been ready, struggling star at sixty percent of millennials in America of never tasted a big mat, and it's not that eating junk, but that's amazing. Jackpot ni- entity things. Did you really think this actually has more to do with with Dunkin'? Not just trying to sell us coffee and maybe some as well. I don't know actually what else they sell in there, but it's actually more to do with with health consciousness and distance distancing themselves from an own healthy product. I think supplementary when they used the word and molten if it was like white rose law, if that was the name of the company, probably think about moving on and. And that's what they've thought like Alexi product read. One thing that suggests they sell three billions with to stop an actually innisfail Innis on the right occasion who doesn't enjoy it, not the point you're making full. It's not as you'll mount Seddon is a d. positioning convex. Starbucks took the world coffee of that cop's just call them Starbucks about six years ago because they were just, you know, they were getting into Tae and healthy ten and stuff. They just wanted to keep their options open and McDonald's trying to sell a salad now, but I don't think I don't know many people who actually by McDonald's and have done, so we'll say, horrible. I mean Donald in Europe and the UK is absolutely phenomenal is ready it. So the opposite of what it used to be, but what people think is and it's actually, I think that during the motivational modernisation pace ready while because they have ready attended to things like animal welfare, all the stuff for Ryan, it's not perfect, and you'd have Rita suit objects them still sending in made products cycles. But if you compare them, they literally one ethical awards because compare them with Burger King's on the other things. Other. Directly compatible. And the sad thing is comes like good for them sending so much that behavioral economics thing, the just showing people while is normal. That is normal had sounded on a menu. Maybe when try that sometime. Toca game when it comes to their farming credentials on, and I don't doubt that I, I'm not a believer in, you know, the whole pink sludge theory. That's what goes into the to the mcnuggets. But I have to the last time I was in a McDonald's is not that which is a long time ago as by maybe that's part of the issue. It was exactly what I was expecting it to be, which was horrible. Yeah. Is it is what it is, but at least they are genuinely trying to modernize the fundamentals what they do and then not just not just going foaming and suggesting that focal. It seems that we're seeing a lot of this lately. I think you mentioned it earlier. Weight Watchers dropping the wage from its name. Isn't that just WW and I'm not sure that's meant to be some precursor the at the worldwide web of be interesting. W. w. w. w. w. dot com. That previous branding tobacco when we're going, they rebranded in twenty twelve and they ran the two together, which as a blog pointed out about a nanosecond lighter is that I said, sudden signs designed twin white while I'd it was like it was one of those massive shotgun moments rebranding, and. Literally had to wonder how they had like the number of meetings that they had discussing the Brandon. Nobody ever have 'em presented. I think that's only a bad word in this country is nation, Britain. That may be true. It's global media and that wonder if that's, yeah, I have Brad schooled found in the sites. Yes. And they did also though have that known rebranding as it were of 'em. I hop in the US recently, do they change it to I hall or something like that because they're no longer just pancakes by burgers too. But that was a total prank. A, I think there's a kind of broad thing which is in the nineteen fifties. When that jingle you played was there. I mean, these brands and the consumer brands, these manufatures industrial brand, the food brands, fridge Browns with front and center. What people spot to the kind of the world's moved on that nice relevant. These bronze mountain budgets has been funny stuff way you might face in thereto on Snapchat. So things that actually that no longer the sense of things that it's almost sort of like, you know, if the chats reader of England renamed itself, you know your church or something. God, it's the, oh well the, but it's the, it's the baseball cap syndrome that they actually I'm cool enough for the sense of things to be what we, we still in Britain when somebody might prints in his high renames himself symbol. Actually, it's just a bit sad that the so much may comfort in which has about it because it's in failing. Shop had four channels of TV TV stations on what they used to be in terms of his great because we got other in other stuff too. That's another story. John, which I'm sure we'll have you on to talk about at some point in future branding and advertising expert John grant there. Thank you very much coming on and sharing your thoughts on even donors with us on the monocle. Daily dot brings us to the end of this program. 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