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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 530: AB Drama Continues (3-5-3019)

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 530: AB Drama Continues (3-5-3019)

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the Golden State media concepts football podcast, your latest news on and off the field. Be it college football big ten SEC big twelve Pac twelve ACC to the NFL with got you covered. Listen to the Golden State media. Cut sets football podcast. Liberty welcome. The GMC football podcast. Brought you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your is always Jeff Mellon off. And boy we've had some franchise tags happened as the deadline will be over tonight at four o'clock eastern. I guess in the afternoon, four o'clock eastern time. And then I guess that's one PM Pacific time. So that's basically where we're at right now is where waiting on more franchise tags to happen. We got some more information regarding. In Tokyo Brown and where the people interested in him. I've contacted the Steelers in who they are. Because it's not who they say they are not as we seem. But a few new candidates have made the call for the services of one in Tonio Brown. So we'll see how everything's shapes up there and anything else we need to talk about. We will talk about. But we'll start with the franchise tagging because we've had a couple big franchise tags for some key teams that are looking for make playoff runs. Once again, I won the biggest one probably the Cowboys. Once again have franchise Dagda markets Lawrence. As the reports are saying, they're not close to thinking of a long-term deal at the moment or discussing a term deal or agreeing with one something of that nature. So we're in a patiently waiting kind of situation where we'll see if after this year, they're gonna try to take him again, which I believe can they can only do it three to four times if I'm not mistaken. And then are they wanting to pay all that money or are they going to have to let him go and find a business elsewhere? So that's the big concern going there for the Cowboys is because I said it's on the sports pockets, and I'll say it again, the Cowboys defense is besides some Arcus Lawrence is a little rated. And I'll explain why I explain why on the sports podcast. I'll explain why again. The reason all in all star with this point in the reason the. Jacksonville Jaguars all-star out. Just hear me out. The reason the Jacksonville Jaguars struggled so much the season. Was because they were on the field for the long periods of time. Their offensive time possession was mediocre at best, and that's being complementary. Consistently. Blake Bortles will give the ball up on a three and out or not get the ball to the first down line or throw an interception or something. Like that into a point where the defense is to a point of exhaustion. And then you give up those big plays. And that's why the Jaguars were five and eleven so with that being said, they're probably going to be better off with a Nick foles guy who can get those first downs who can make those plays in just little by little get those first. And that's what leads me to the Cowboys Ezekiel Elliott gets like five six yards a carry roughly. And so two to three carries. He gets to that first down marker. He gets there. He gets the point where they are staying on the field and also with. The cowboys. They have they have Dak Prescott who's very accurate in the short passing game. Well, he's just gonna wind pass game too. But he gets short passes like Amari Cooper, Kobe's -ly. He gets those first downs town possession. They get a game. It's like fifteen minutes roughly around there. So your defense gets to rest majority of the majority of the time and with arrested defense they're able to make plays in. They're not tired out by like fast pace offenses because they're not on the field is frequently when you're when you're when you're defenses on the field for that fifteen twenty minute period your day get exhausted and they make mistakes. I mean, it's totally the opposite way around when it comes to the offense. The offense wants to on field as long as possible in the defense wants to get off the field as soon as possible to make to get your offense on the field. So when you're the defense. All right. We just stop them. We're getting drink of water thirty went three and out or oh groceries to pick your. Demoralizing thing. And you're losing motivation to like eight if we do stuff are we even gonna score that doubt goes through the mind arguably and then that missiles mistakes happen. So I think the Jaguars defense is still incredible. I still think they're top-five. But when you're in a position where you're going to be frequently on the field sooner or later, your good to make mistakes. It's just the name of the game. So. So with that being said, that's why think that Dallas Cowboys defense. I don't except for Marcus Lawrence. Of course. I don't see a lot of town talents and not the right word. I'm seen a lot of mental errors there from the Dallas Cowboys team where. I've seen been on the line in the secondary. Especially I've seen them. Besides historians. Again, I've seen them be blocked in the quarterback. It's all the time in the world. But again when you're often is being successful. Those mistakes are really looked at not in a negative manner. Just their brushed off. So that's just my take on the whole thing when you're looking at DaMarcus Lawrence, and like all this defense is amazing. Well, not exactly the DeMarcus Lawrence is amazing that really makes up for the other lack of effort from the other teams. It just shows how. Invent a great offense makes agreed defense. And sometimes that great defense. Helps that offense look even better. But sometimes in offense looks positive in stays on the field for so long. It doesn't need to be great. But if they say on the field long enough, and they keep that time of possession up in the high teens and in the twenties that defense gets more rest and improves more. Be it just that's how that's how I've seen it at least and you could disagree in. That's totally fine. But that's just how I see the Cowboys defense. I've never saw them as a completely defense. I've seen them as a struggling defense that just knows how to get it done. Moving on from that to the other franchise tags. We got clowney being tagged by the Texans, which is another smart move in which you're having guy right on the opposite side of cloudy. Get in a lot of work or excuse me, cloudy, you have JJ watt. So that defense is still good. They win Lou and five last year that won the AFC south. They're offenses fatale their defense because the job done. They made a lot of turnovers, especially when you have two great pass rushers in cloudy and watt on the opposite ends of the of the of the line, and you just you can sandwich. The quarterback is just like that's how they usually. Did it? That's how they operate with cloudy was getting blocked or double team is what I was coming in at the end getting getting the sack or vice versa. And if it was they're both getting kit interior linemen, we're the ones getting the job done that line. Who is so great that. That's how they won games, and you can. And that's why put them as one of the top teams to. To win the Super Bowl when they made the plows because of how the romantic rose to these tons of winning this winning streak in the middle of the season charm Watson is playing his best. Like he did before he got injured in towards L. John. Jay Hopkins is arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL. You throw he'll catch it the guys unbelievable. And that combination is so deadly. They were they didn't have the best running game. But if they add a running game behind Watson this team can win the Super Bowl this team could get by in the play offs. Like, that's how I think this team is only a few pieces little pieces away from becoming a series contender for a Super Bowl and made them a contender for the super. But a good running game would put them into a series position to win because I've heard from many sources that defense and running game in the playoffs is what win Super Bowls. And what does the patriots have that room won the Super Bowl? They. Not fence stepped up and twenty shilling that running game was the talk of the town when it came down to the road from the AFC playoffs into the rule there that running game helped win that civil Sony Michelle's one touchdown health and get that over the hump into the Super Bowl. So facts are facts if you add the Texans running game solid running game. If you can get them in the league one even better, but get them running in the compensate passing game. And the scrambling abilities of Shawn Watson and their stellar defense with cloudy, and what at the opposite sides as edge rushers. You got a dangerous team that is I would put his favorites for the Super Bowl. I'm not even kidding. They would be extremely dangerous team in the AFC without question in my mind. So with that. Let's go onto the chiefs stain in the AFC that is. And d Ford got franchise tag rather chiefs. If you know D Ford, he's was a stellar defense. Amon he was a seller player on there on the chiefs defense during these regular season. But he's now mainly known for his off signs blunder after an interception. That would have sealed the game for the chiefs in blend put them to the Super Bowl for the first time since four they beat the Vikings. Yeah. That's how long ago was. But the guy callback game went to overtime pages. Got the ball first. They score. They win the game. They going to the Super Bowl. They beat the Rams. They win the Super Bowl. So my thought of this is. Default still like he says it won't affect him in his play. But unfortunately, if you like it's going to affect his legacy because if he doesn't win a Super Bowl and the chiefs going downhill spiral, it's gotta be because of that one play it's because that one penalty it's that is the moment where the chiefs win for Super Bowl contenders. To to blame ducks. You know, what I mean, it just it just seems more along the lines of? The tipping point every team has this tipping point in where a team that one. Little instance, turns team into just. Poopie water. Yes, I use that term fight me anyways. Yeah. Those are the three main. Franchise tags. I mean, I guess if you want to talk about a weird franchise, we'll maybe not weird, but the forty Niners franchise side, their kicker, maybe that's unusual. But to me, I'm like, that's the one you're gonna franchise, but I guess they don't really have a lot of options based on a franchise type is they have a lot of players on our contract at the time. And they don't really need a franchise. Take anyone at the moment. So I guess that makes sense. But I digress. We're gonna take a short break when we come back. I'll talk about Antonio Brown. And the teams have been interested in him at the time at this time. And it's not the three teams we thought well two are the three teams. We thought they were reported as interested. The first contact are not to be. So I'll tell you all about it. When we come back. Are you looking for help for your fantasy football team? Check out the GSM. See fantasy football podcast gets in east. 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Despite the reports the Broncos said they were not interested and with that that was the of all the three teams that are reported to say he was they were contacted. He was the best position. Because of the fact that he Joe flacco de throw he's a cannon like he just doesn't need to be accurate Antonio Brown. Hats click in a great of a wide receiver until you Brown is the raiders are more of a power back team in my opinion. Because I mean, let's say let's face it. Jon Gruden loves running the ball up. The middle loves loves loves it. And with the cardinals. I know they have a new quarterback Josh Rosen. But I don't think he can throw the ball deep to Tonio Brown in in a sense have been this river could I think that they would have to shorten 'Antonio Brown's routes, and that would cost them if yours, and that would and I just feel like that would just be a bad fin general. So that's how I see it. At least when it comes down those three teams. But the three teams that actually did contact. We're the raiders. So I already. That's bad fit there. Just based off the style of play Junkers used to it just he's Tony brands more finesse. And that's John gruden's way. That's my opinion. The titans who have one of the worst receiving. They were last in receiving touchdowns. Abe leave at seven rec- receiving touchdowns last season, which was dead last 'Antonio Brown had more than the entire team did so adding that would give not only marginally wrote another opportunity to be the guy that they drafted a high number two of all pick. But it would also give them a threat to maybe get back into the playoffs that they were last year, and they somehow managed upset the cheese it get to the divisional round and so on and so forth, and adding Tony broken le- anything that adds Tony Brown benefit them won't run that just that's just the bottom line. So with that being said. Going into. The titans organization would be little. We'll be interesting. I'm assuming they would have to get maybe a second third round pick. I'm not sure what I don't think the said last yesterday. I don't think this user in the driver's seat in this situation. Because of the fact like it's like Tony around holding him up for ransom in a way. If that makes sense, but we're guardless like, and then tonight brand goes and says he says he doesn't have to play football this season which puts a big factor in like is he gonna pull Levy on belly. Like a second chapter to the Levy on bell saga in where someone's gonna send tire season, huge playmaking. God that's a huge addition to the team can not even play down much like into that Levy, I'm Bill did last year until it gets what he wants. Because it sounds like what it might be leading to. And that's not a good thing in the long run. Because of the fact that this we unprecedented. I think it'd be on press. And I know I just think that there's so many unanswered questions when it comes in Tokyo Brown what what really is going to become of him. Everyone's like always go to this team. Always gonna go the Niners. He's gonna go to the jets always. I don't know. But the Steelers said we'll take the best for the team. But I think if you're let's say the AFC south or ABC north accuse me or the patriots. Like, they said they would avoid all costs that you would have to blow them away with multiple first round draft picks and quality players type of thing you'd have to go all out for him. So that's how I see if somehow somehow goes to the one of those two teams or one of those teams in his division and or. I'm blanking movie. One of those division teams in or the patriots. They'll have to be blown away with draft with a trade offer duchess. That's just how I see it. And with that. Also, I add. If it's only okay the one last team is the Redskins. First things first for the Redskins get a quarterback because first of all this done. It's very unfortunate circumstance, but he's done. And then Josh not to be your guy. I'm sorry. He'll he's a good backup. He's a squall e backup. Just not your guy. And then. When you are. I guess they were trying to go for Nick foles. With sounds like he's gonna go to the Jaguars. There's also like other. They were supposed to get Joe flacco there's other options for the Redskins. But honestly have no idea where they're gonna go with quarterback Ryan tannehill. Maybe I'm just you know, what once they go for like. He's gonna live just thinking about it. They they go after break Bortles the dumbest Orgainzation the NFL. I'm not taking am not being insulting to Blake Bortles. I'm just saying with all the other options available, and what they can do in the offseason that would just be like almost the laziest thing to do. In my opinion. But I don't know. And then that has lead with who's gonna be the best refrain Tonio Brown. So we'll see how then if they have a penis in the back in and Tonio Brown as quarterback and earth Quebec letters eager in whoever's quarterback. It's give me like one of those Madden. NFL franchise moved things where you trade a bunch of good players, and you move up their ratings and stuff like that. Or it's like Madden like twenty fourteen. I guess twenty five. Yeah. Men and fifteen where you just force trade all the good players to one team. But this is a couple years later so Petersen's a little bit banged up. Your quarterback probably going to be banged up Antonio Brown. It's still the same guy. Just there's going to be some differences there. I feel like so there's just a lot of unanswered questions over though, whether how this is all gonna go down for the Tonio Brown. If those other three teams the titans the Redskins in the raiders are if those are the three teams that are quote unquote, eligible if you will. For. Eligible for in Tony Brown or the best the most overall best chances for Tony Brown. The question is what are they trading players draft picks? I'm assuming if I'm one of the teams in like you're trying to outbid the other. Maybe a first round selection for Tony Brown. He would be worth that. He's that talented. But I feel like the Steelers are at a point where they're just willing to give him up for any on that maniam not anything that sounds like a strong a word but willing to give him for not. The highest price if you will like a quote, unquote bargain, like multiple second round picks a second and third. I can see them not giving up a first round pick for in Tokyo. Brown. Can I see that absolute that sounds like it could be a a straightforward thing. But I truly believe that. When it comes down to in Tonio Brown. I pick LA clue MAC went for two first round picks. That was worth it. Brown's a little up there in age where maybe two first round picks is too much in in terms of your future. And you gotta like you think you're winning now situations those so that we wanna call workless will be late picks in the draft. That's what you're going to assume. But I think in these situations when it comes down to the raiders. Actually, you know what? Now thinking about it. The raiders have five first round picks in this next year. This the next year's drought combined. They could give up one of those first round draft picks. One of the two of them are really late to twenty four and twenty seven of mistaken with the bears Cowboys so you could easily rid of one of those picks and get into Neo Brown and pretend basically that's a pick. And so you have to first round pick still this you're in a two first round picks next year. The raiders could probably the raiders are probably the team to give the most to the Steelers for Antonio Brown. If I'm the Steelers I give away one of my first round picks twenty four twenty seven your own four no way, but the twenty seven or twenty four th pick definitely then you still have two first round picks next year. You still have a first round pick next this here and the number four pick and in the twenties pick. So it's gonna be roughly the same cowl replacer, regardless of what the two picks are you away in the late around in later in the first round. So with that you also have to add the facts of when you're looking at next year's draft. You're hoping that the bears kinda struggled. But it seems like the bears are good at be contenders again and be in the playoff. So it's gonna be in the upper teens twenties. Early twenties or maybe even to make a huge run to the AFC title game or NFC title game. Excuse me, then they're going to be going for like the twenty seven pick of twenty seven pigs the twenty eighth pick or twenty-ninth pick. So there's a lot of like lose-lose type association when it comes down to it overall. But I don't know it just hard really think about how this situations. Get a hold and how the Al what the outcomes get a really be when it comes down to for the in Tokyo Brown trade, but just think about it right now, it might just be the best the best trade options are for for the raiders to give up one of their first draft picks if they really want Antonio Brown and then the age old question. Are they getting older? Now, see well, you know, what I'm thinking about this right now. Derek carr. They could trade a first round pick in Derek Carr for Antonio Brown. In a second round pick. And I say they will never I know you're saying they'll never get rid of carpet. Hear me out. Ben this rigors closing into the end of his career. You have Derek Carr back him up for a year or two have marinade in the Steeler way, quote, unquote, have that Steeler offense. And then once he's ready to play once once rather retires, and then you put car in he could benefit from being on the bench for a couple years and be a big. And then be a starting quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't see what why is that. Why is that a big? Big impossible thing that can happen. I understand deer cards kinda the brunt of jokes ever since like like he had a solid good season when they went thirteen and three and then he got injured and then they're Beckham cut injured in. I forgot honestly for God who their third string quarterback was in that playoff game against Houston. But overall on looking at this as a position for dare card and move on from the raiders and just start a new it's to start a clean slate starters the backup with Rodney Shergar. He's going to be there for a year or two two years maximize opinion. So he's gonna go. He's gonna take the starting job. He's gonna use that offense because he's going to be on the behind behind Rosberg working for two years. And then it's not say like Roger is going to mentor him. I'm just saying that he's just going to be taking over basically. So I just see that as that's the best opportunity for Derek hard to get better and be not really joking. Hate really common joke. But man, he is the brunt of memes and jokes and all that stuff on social media. If you see it it's actually kind of art, it's harsh. But if if if this trait happens a first round pick Antoni first-round pick Derek Carr for Antonio Brown in second round pick. Then you have Antonio Brown. You draft a quarterback you have the fourth pick. So you can draft Colin Murray you can draft a Dwayne Haskins draft. Drew lock you can drafted Daniel Jones. But the thing is that goes against my theory of you gotta let your quarterback marinate behind somebody for the first you're too before you put them out on that field. Don't don't line lines right away. So how I do that sign. Ryan tannehill. Have him play for a season. Do the thing basically that the chiefs did in in a sense Mahomes sat out a year have collar Marie or drew lock Dale Jones. Join Haskins whoever sit out for the year. And be back up behind the Ryan tannehill. Or the Blake Bortles wherever you wanna sign. I don't care who. And then cut ties with that player, and that guy's your new starter. And I think that would benefit in the long run for both team for the raiders because the fact year in ten year plan the raiders are so with that. Of course, this means Jon Gruden will have to listen to podcasts if you're listening Jon Gruden I'm giving you perfect. I feel like it's pretty good advice here. But again, I could be wrong. But you're the right to your own opinions. And then the, but the bottom line is if they do that trade, and they and they ship Derek Carr away, and they sign a one year back or maybe a one two year contract with a Ryan tannehill or so and they just looking for a starting correct position. Maybe not Ryan tannehill. Maybe we'll get a bigger contracts where else, but. Somebody to be quarterback for a year. Just so your draft quarterback can marinade. And then boom you how your marinated quarterback? You have Antonio Brown. You'll have Doug Martin question. Mark. I don't really know who their back. Bryant backfield will be consisting of. But this team will be a pretty good offense to start things off. I mean, I personally think it would. I'm not entirely sure if anyone. It's just it's just a complicated situation because you really don't know how everything's gonna go down and like will the Steelers even consider like thinking going because I think they have to they have to think out after the Aira of rothlisburger if you will. But I feel like there might be in denial of it because I feel that's how sealers really think of it like that. But I don't know. I really don't know what the outcome of this future situation will be for in Tonio Brown, but we are tickets short break. And when we come back, we will talk about. The odd and weird combine interviews from teams to certain players. There are some weird one. So I'll tell you all about it. Right after this. Check out the show that's built on the from UFC two extreme cage fighting they got the fights covered. Check out. GSM? See 'em a podcast get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we've talked to in about some of the biggest names in the EMMY past president future. When it's the fight game. There's just one Shoda checkout. GSM see podcasts dot com, backslash and me Dadge podcast. Don't forget to like him on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit yes, see podcasts dot com for more info. Welcome back to the MC football podcast. We just left off the whole in Tonio Brown situation. Now, let's go with the weird. Combine interviews that have been kind of shown I'll explain so during the combine, obviously, the players get interviewed by certain teams, yada, yada, yada. In. But was Seattle. They had the Kentucky cornerback interviewed and the gave him a steering contest. It's unknown who it was or to my knowledge. I don't know who it was in stance. But just having a steering contest. During with a football player sends a bit weird as in. They were born like this this guy, get it. I don't know. But I always see this corner from Kentucky's not going to go in the first maybe even second round, maybe third fourth round pick best. But then you're looking at the facts I like what's the purpose of staring contest? Is it something judging quarterbacks on I hope not? But I mean, everyone has their weird sense stance on like certain players, and so that in certain standards like for all their quarterbacks. Do they need to be good at not blinking? Like, I really don't know what the situation holds. If let's say he wins. He was undefeated in a blinking contest with three different people. They put them against is like all right. That's our Segram picker. Oh, that's our first round pick. I don't know. Like what what's what's the purpose? I really wanna find out what the purposes because I think there's something behind this. We don't know about and I'm super-duper curious about but again who knows? I just think if that's what are the weird interviews. Listen of this one. Basically an undisclosed team. Toll. They defense a back. Will the asked him? We question. I am not making this up. I found this in a new story. I believe Bleacher report also put this on as well. So you're gonna think that this is a joke. It's not a joke. You might think it's offensive to. I don't know. We'll see. But. They asked a certain defensive back. I don't remember his name. It was just some. I think it was like a fifth sixth round prospect guide trying to move up stock if they asked him a question if he had to testicles. No, I am not kidding. They asked a grown, man. In an interview probably the Menem for the first time to there's probably meet him for the first time arguably. If he has a pair of testicles like if he lost one in like a war or something or like, he was born with one testicle or is Lance Armstrong in just like he had to take cancer. I don't know what they were really thinking in the long run. But. Why why on God's green earth? Did you as a man that supposedly my guess is you just met and seeing if he's right for your football team, if he had to testicles I hate saying that now, but you understand like if they right? So I'm gonna combine I get asked that question. How do you respond to that question? First of all you say, yes, I do or. No, you don't depending on what's true or not. But like. Why? Why what's the purpose? What's the point of doing? Something that weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's uncomfortable. It's weird. And maybe I'm overreacting. I'm not sure. But I think that's a little too personal for an interview to play football for a team. I don't think you should see his, you know. And judge his play or judge anything about him based on that alone. Because you know, there was a guy was just jacked with one hand. So what's I is? That's supposed to be another one of those big stories of. Oh, look at this amazing story. He he has only one testicle any plays football. I mean, that's not a really no offense. Anyone like that? But it's not an a Cinderella. Not a storybook or childhood hero story as a guy with one hand playing football. I'm kinda need your hands. You don't really need those other things. It just weird. Okay. It's weird. It creeps me out. When I first heard that I'm like, I gotta talk about this on the show because first of all I really known wanna know a team, but I couldn't find the team name. And I and I think that offensive was from Allah Pama if I'm not mistaken. But just it's weird. It's weird. And it just uncomfortable. It's a little disturbing, and I hope the kids trumpetist by maybe he's just blown away by it. Blown away by just the. Oh boy. Okay. Well, coming off of that. Well, something a little different. Well, not very actually because it kind of goes with the situation a little bit. So about forty eight minutes ago. Mike chari? On Twitter or just you made a story based this. According to TMZ sports. This is the former NFL tight end Kellen Winslow junior son of the one of the greatest tight ends of all time. They really changed the game. Kellen Winslow senior. Was arrested and jailed Monday to yesterday amid allegations. I'm face only right now all this. Just listen to this amid allegations he sexually harassed a seventy seven year old woman. What is going on in the world that this is happening? According to TMZ sports. The woman told police that Winslow touched himself and Astros. She liked it at a sandiego area. Jim on February thirteenth white took this long. I don't know. The same woman said Winslow did the same thing the following week while she was in a hot tub. Triple an added that he touched her arm and foot before she reported him. He has been charged with two counts of lewd conduct and one countable battery of an L battery, and we'll for cruelty to an elder. Okay cruelty. I get battery. Okay. Maybe I don't know. This is just weird Winslow has been out on bail as you're being held previously on alligators that he raped three women. All right. This is not the only thing that's happened last year for this guy. It is alleged that Winslow kidnapped in rape to trans- transient women between March and may of last year respectively. And he has been charged with raping a year while she was conscious in two thousand three that was a huge thing during that time was. I think that was like a couple years before he was in the draft. He was released on two million dollars in bail in July. If he's found guilty of all charges against him. He could face life in prison. Wow. I don't know what to say, oh, he was the six overall pick and chose enforce. So this is like dozen three with that unconscious. Eighteen year old unfortunately that happened like the her, and again, the people that have been affected by this guy thoughts prayers to you. The fact that he did that to seventy seven year old woman puts this into a weird disturbing perspective of what is going through your mind. And what is just why why just why? And of course, like there's been multiple cases of sexual misconduct of sexual conduct misconduct. I guess if you will against NFL sports athletes in general, but this one takes the cake of the most bizarre. For the simple fact of like he's in his thirties. Forties. Roughly, I'll look that Obama. She'll look it up right now, speak of the devil. Let's look think Google kellyn Winslow junior. And of course, the first thing that pops up is the the allegations that just happened in his arrest. The other day. He's thirty five years old. He go k. Didn't place in since thirteen. But my gosh 35-year-old-man sexually. How I explain I won't say is kind of say it is basically sexual assault. The woman didn't one part of trying to it sounded like he wanted to have sexual enter it just allegedly this in my opinion, it satellite. He wanted to have do things with her, and that's just wrong in so many levels. So with that I say come on man, like if any if any time the NFL Colombian should be outside that this like seriously, I am just going to move on from this. We don't this doesn't anymore. Topic of conversation movie on the near giants are not tagging landing Collins three-time pobal safety. He's going to hit the free agent market a couple of weeks ago. He did like grab a bunch of stuff from his locker and hug the players could buy and all this stuff. So it sound like he was gone. But this just announces it for sure that he is going to be gone. He's going to be a free agent. He's going to be a pretty highly touted free agent on on the safety market that Lee. Probably the best safety in the free agent market. I don't think Zane denial that. But he's going to be looked at highly and going to be looked at in a good game. He's going to be getting paid probably this season. Because he's a very talented safety. So I don't think there's doubt in that. But with that being said with the franchise tag at nine forty four AM right now as I'm doing this show. It's ending about three and a half hours that trade the franchise tag deadline, and if anyone's was going to franchise tag right before the deadline. It was going to be him. So I think that that there's probably gonna be some small franchise tag players. But I don't think regardless it's gonna be anyone like him or it's it's gonna be anyone big named. So I think that should do it for today show. Thank you so much. Joining me today as always and we'll see you on Thursday. As always I'm Jeff Mellon often. I'll see next time. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts football podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes stitches sound client, Google play this type in MC to find. All. The shows from the Golden State media concepts podcast network from movies to music, throw sports, entertainment and even weird news. You can also follow us on Twitter and on Facebook. Thank you. And we hope you have enjoyed today's program.

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GSMC football Podcast Episode 532: AB Not Traded But Case Is (3-8-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

39:45 min | 1 year ago

GSMC football Podcast Episode 532: AB Not Traded But Case Is (3-8-2019)

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the Golden State media concepts football podcast, your latest news on and off the field. Be it college football big ten SEC big twelve Pac twelve ACC to the NFL with got you covered. Listen to the Golden State media. Cut sets football podcast. Hello and welcome. The GMC football podcast. Brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jeff Mellon off in bully. These last twenty four hours had been interesting. And we've had trades. We've had non-trade we've had thought we've had trays but social media made it not so and we've had now deadlines and now we've had where at the day of were supposed someone's getting traded. But maybe they won't be getting traded. They have limited options for that guy to be traded. We don't know what's gonna happen. Anything could happen in football in the off season. That's why we'd love it so much, but we're going to start with the in Tokyo Brown situation, then go onto the case keenum situation. And then we have a new trade that just happened with the Browns and giants we'll talk about the end of the segments. But first things first we got us started off with the Antonio Brown trade that never was as we thought keyword thought. There was a trade that was going that was bound to happen regarding regarding Tonio Brown being traded to the Buffalo Bills of all teams. And you know of all the teams. Our project predicted to make the trade to the all pro wide receiver the last team that I thought was going to be a factor or was going to be a let's say a front runner in for Antonio Brown was the Buffalo Bills. And as soon as knows news broke, nose broke news broke. I audibly went what like as in like you. This is serious being punked right now. My my praying to this. This is broke who act by phone. Ha ha very funny. That's what I thought not really. But it felt like it like that. And then just and then, of course, the NFL Instagram posted it, and so everyone's like, oh, the guest this visual. Antonio Brown loves to chime in on Instagram and just say, the classic Donald Trump saying and fake news. And then everyone's like, okay is this real or not? And everyone's all confused now even more than they already were. And I was just confused. I was like when I first read that news about buffalo. I'm like, there's no way. There's absolutely no way. That's good. That was good to go down. And I was right for the an interesting reason as in it was basically Antonio Brown being so lose being a well. I don't wanna see very vocal. But just it just seemed like he was vocal enough for the bills say man, he really doesn't wanna play with us. Does. He that's just what I that's the image. That's the impression I got out of it, definitely. And I think a lot of people got that impression as well. It just when it came down to it. It was more along the lines of just oh. Oh, well, I guess that's not gonna happen now. And I think the bills are like, you know, what it's probably better off if we don't pursue this. Because of the fact that if we do pursue this. And we do acquire him will he even want to play with us? I think that was a legitimate thought during this whole process because we're all looking at one or another. We're looking at like if he is treated to. There was word is was traded to the bills. It looked like it was going to happen in the terms of. Oh, he's get a poll of EON bell in sit out. I think that's what a lot of people had a thought about it. Because like it just seemed to be in a way of like, oh, he's this Levy on. Did this? It seemed to be more along the lines of. A possib. I'm more of a possibility that he would sit on a tire season to avoid playing for buffalo. And it's just not his kind of market. It's just not his kind of place. Like, you think if he wants to go anywhere, if he has a choice to say, I'm not playing here or there, which sounds to me that it's one of these instances where he doesn't contractually have a say in where he wants to be drafted or traffic traded. But he can't really is. He not me he said he has on play there. I only he's ever said outright that he's I don't wanna play here. I think it's world along the lines of like it really doesn't feel like he wants to play here. Why bother? And I think it's I think it's true. I think there is lots of say on that. And of course, the Buffalo Bills have said we are done pursuing him. We are going to tau Trier Mark and free agency. Which of course is easier said than done based off your market, the the what's the word. I'm looking for the market of the bills in buffalo is pretty. Low key. I guess is the right word for that circumstance when you thinking of their market and honestly like does in Tokyo Brown like Antonio Brown is on Instagram recently. He was live. I think yesterday saying that he was in Miami, or at the beach, then he's gonna go fly all the way to a place where there's no beaches, and no city will know limelight, and it's just cold there. Nothing against the city of buffalo. I'm sure people love actually playing in buffalo when they're there. But on the outside looking in. It's not that great place to play. And of course, you have a rookie quarterback in Josh Allen who let's be on has not really proven himself. He's had some flashy games. Absolutely. Some positives to that. But overall when you looking at. What he can what he can do within Tonio Brown as one of his receivers is questionable. And I'm saying legitimately questionable to say. The least and we honestly don't know like even if he did go to buffalo. Let's say goes to buffalo will that team that team improve offensively with him being there without a really good offense align with an unproven quarterback with not a good second wide receiver that if he's if internal Brown's covered more Georgie of the time that can make plays on his own as well. There's just there's just a lot of things that can go wrong in that circumstance where you think one guy just one guy is gonna pay off for you been a reality. That's not the case. So I think it's better for both of them to be completely honest that he's not going there. Both teams at least. And with that being said, I think we're going into a place where sealers might might be starting to get desperate. When it comes to. Who they want or who they can trade for? And it just seems this seems just like a very. What's the word? I'm looking for this seems like it's going to be one of those things where they're going to rush this and trade him for pennies on the dollar and really get jibbed. If you will out of a great deal for Antonio Brown. So if I'm another team looking for Antonio Brown, I'm gonna honesty low ball the Steelers, and I'll tell you why. They said they're going to do it by today. Well, the news is they were going to do a bite today. Does seem to be going while it seemed like that was for the bills trade in theory in in. I guess at least and with that you'll have to look at more along the lines of just. What are they willing to trae? Now for are. They thinking, oh, we can still get a first round pick for oh, we can get a we can we can get a multiple Trump IX, we can get a second to second round picks. You know, like what are the options are gonna go for now? And now, what are they gonna do? Take like a fifth round pick and a fourth round pick. Are they gonna take some scrub players for them? Like, what are they going to? What are they going to settle for in this circumstance if they're actually rushing into get done today? But honestly, their options are probably limited right now. Because a lot of teams are probably like the Buffalo Bills were like, yeah. We'll go for totally. And now they're thinking. Whoa. If he doesn't if he if he's continuing to that is this. Guy we wanna pursue. So there's just a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to Antonio Brown in his to play for a certain teams. And it just seems that there's more than just unanswered questions. There's just unanswered commitment to a team. I guess you can say. I don't know. There's just so many questions, and who knows what's actually going to go down. Who knows what's actually going to? Who is actually going to acquire Tonio Brown? And I'm hoping he would hoping that happens during the show. So I could go breaking news. He's been treated. But unfortunately, now, there's not happened yet. I don't think it's actually going to happen. I only. It's going to it's not going down that quickly. It's going to happen last minute. Kinda thing if anything if it happens today, it's going to happen. Like with the looked at I have with how early do these shows. It's going to happen editing this show in putting on itunes and YouTube and all that stuff. It's gonna happen. As soon as I finished all my shows these animals shows day. But that's just that's just how life have. They just how it's gonna work, isn't it? I'm just going to go all K nothing happened. I'll see next end the episode put it on the court is as Suzanne the episodes recorded, and it's all done, basically. And then. As soon as it's over attorney. Ron's been traded to the NFL you're of middle longer exists. He gets straight into the Birmingham iron in a surprise move that no one expected nor wanted. And now the af is viciously as a business. I know obviously has not what's gonna happen. That's so. Far fetched assignment funny. But it's. It's to a point where I'm just I'm tired. I just wanna see where he goes. It's been a while. It's kinda like the Bryce Harper thing. But not too much like Bryce Harper thing. But they said they were going to get it done today. Hopefully, it does happen today. And wherever he goes are going to make them better, regardless. What team he goes to the question was was he too bills better in hindsight. Yes. He was going to make the bills better. If he does join them, but was I going to be enough who knows for a playoff run. But I think whoever goes for him now is going to looking at well bottom line. They're going to be looking at playoff run championship run. They're looking to compete with the elite teams become elite themselves or they're a team. Are you looking for? Famous teams checkout him see fantasy football podcast get to knees. Best advice. I e start who wanna sit we've been who you should drink from sleeper. Pakestan lives. They got it all covered for GSA podcasts dot com. Thanks last fantasy dead football cast cover traditional. Are even I'd employees when you leave fantasy hope there's just one show too. Don't forget to like on Facebook Twitter. Yes. Yes. That and it happened in here that actually did happen. And we'll get more on that. When we return. Fingers and everything. Still much more. Spirit. What we deliver by delivering. Welcome back to the GMC football podcast just finished the Antonio Brown. Trey now, we want to another that actually did happen case. Keenum was signed by Broncos last season because he won't because of his big thirteen three season with Minnesota. Take him to the NFC championship game not getting done in the game. But still was a major factor in their success that season now. Was supposed to be the big savior for the Broncos that did not turn out to be the case. And now with the trade of Joe flacco to the Broncos, we are left wondering, what the fate of case keenum be now, we know. As case keenum has been treated to the Washington Redskins. The Federal Trade is this. It's him. Anna seventh round pick for an exchange for a sixth round pick. So it's interesting. It's interesting. It's interesting trae to say the least. And actually looking at case keenum's average passengers versus every NFL team. Well, we'll see how the Redskins look at when getting him. So this is case games. His average passing yards versus every team has ever faced when he plays. The patriots two hundred seventy two pass yards a game not bad, but not great either seventy one against buffalo. To seventy one against New York. So I see point zero on this a lot of ceilings only played one. So I guess the one time he played. New England or or it's been it's unknown. Whether it was multiple times against one eighty two point three below average, my opinion, one seventy five point three even blow more blow average the Browns to seventy two point five. Okay. When ninety three point five against the Bengals not very good to ninety against the Texans Scher to fifty nine against any nap was I like it one ninety two point seven against the Jags. Two fifty nine point three against the cheese. Again, I I like it. But when I wouldn't take it to the Bank to forty eight point five against Los Angeles chargers. One ninety eight against braider 's one eighty nine against the Packers to thirty six point five against the lions. And here's the worst one out of all of them have icing, so far I might as I school. Dan, it worse. But maybe not one oh nine point seven yards a game against the bears. And fortunately, the divisions we fully bear. But you know, what let's just look at the teams he's faced. In the NFC since he's going to the Redskins actually against the Redskins. He's average three hundred and four yard passing a game in the giants. He's average to ninety one. He has never played the eagles or the Cowboys. So we'll see how he does the NFC east. But when it comes down to it is a six round pick worth while you're getting seventh round pick and exchange with case keenum. But you also get is a pretty decent contract. So it's like something you can obviously. Ominously afford sociale that turns out, but who's getting who's getting the better quarterback in the end here between these three teams that have traded quarterbacks in the past. So we have the ravens keeping them are Jackson intriguing. Joe flacco to the to the to the Broncos the Broncos trading for flack, obviously, and then exchanging keenum to the Redskins. So now, who's better off, case keenum and the Redskins? Joe flacco the Broncos or Lamar Jackson in the ravens. It's really tough to say one made the playoffs that was the ravens with the mar- Jackson. But he can't run three times a game. Like he was doing before he made the playoffs. That's suicide. So I'm not sure that's going to be going down for him. And then also you have the Broncos who had a pretty disappointing season with case keenum. But a really good running back and Philip Lindsey. So you have some positives there. But in the long run that might not be the best suit for UBS. Joe flacco like everyone says is he a or not that was like always been this debate? He's never been elite to me. It's never been a debate. He's had one Cinderella story season when he won the Super Bowl, but other than that he hasn't really done much to impress me as a top player. And so adding on from that to now. Wash to the Bengals are done that mingles he gained those confuse from the Bengals to okay. The ravens to the Bengals there. We go. Gosh. The ravens to the Broncos. Bronc owes Broncos Broncos with a B R O N Broncos. No don't bangel 's. And with his dish in the Broncos. I don't think he makes that team any better. Honestly. So with that. I think the Redskins getting decent quarterback in this in this instance. And I'll tell you why they get probably the better. Maybe not the better deal. Because honestly, I'm not impressed by either any three these quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson toward the ball. Joe? Flacco needs to learn that age is not getting to them case can learn that we need to find out that thirteen three season. He had was not was a fluke or not. So going from that. To. Going from that to what we know to the Redskins. They had Alex Smith last year before week eleven before his injury. There were six in three. There were looking at a playoff team. They're looking pretty darn good and they're winning games. And that's the important thing. Especially in that circumstance. And with case keenum who reminds me a little fanatics. They kinda the same type of. Play stylized for a quarterback. So with that being said. I do know that the Redskins ended the season after the injury seventy nine the only one game after he got injured. So. Is a concern. That they didn't finish. Well, even without without. Alex smith. So adding onto that. I think the important question remains is he a good fit for the Redskins or the Redskins doing what they been doing consistently through the offseason? That's disappointing. Their fan base thinking they won the offseason the mythical offseason championship, and they haven't over and over again they've been disappointing over and over and over again. So hopefully that curse a bad off season moves for the Redskins ends with case keenum for case keenum sake. But. I don't know. I mean, okay. You know, what let's look at case. Keenum's career stats showy. And as I look at these. Let's see. In his career. His career QBR rating is eighty four point five not the best but still positive to be roughly. Maybe if you wanna add to that. Then he has sixty four touchdowns in his career forty two interceptions in over in almost thirteen thousand yards this since twenty thirteen. So with that being said. And last year's twenty eighteen stats through for thirty eight hundred almost thirty nine hundred yards eighteen touchdowns. But fifteen interceptions is quarterback rating. The season was eighty one point two. So it was. I guess decent. At best. And. Before he was even in Minnesota. He was a journeyman. He played for the Rams in Texans for multiple years kept going back and forth from the teams. He started with Houston that went to Saint Louis startled. Houston went to Saint Louis. He went to Los Angeles with Saint Louis, and then he went to Minnesota and his stats in Minnesota. Compared to this season's. He actually had a worst year. Obviously he had a better year passing. Ours wise in Denver, but when it came to touchdowns and ender sections, it was a different story when he was Minnesota. He threw for thirty five hundred yards compared to his well, let's to total three thousand five hundred forty seven yards compared to his three thousand eight hundred ninety arts yet this year. So that's better. And. But his average was lower at six point six yards a throw plus in last year. He had seven point four yards throw. His completion percentage in Denver was sixty two point three. And his completion percentage in Minnesota was the highest of his career at sixty seven point six. But he did throw less attempts when Minnesota than didn't Denver. Maybe do the good running game in running offense line they had. But then here's where things get interesting with Minnesota. He had his best TD interception ratio is career twenty two touchdowns seven interceptions. Before that he had nine touchdowns eleven or sessions one year. Four touchdowns one interception. One year two touchdowns to interceptors another year nine and six so and so and then that's it. So twenty two is the most he's ever thrown his career seven is the least amount of touch us thrown in his career granted. But he's never played more than eleven games before. Then he the most games. He's played before. Minnesota was ten games with the Los Angeles Rams. Then he played fifteen games with Minnesota. Then to that incredible record. Then he plays the his first full entire season as starting quarterback for a team in the Denver Broncos. He kind of weather's a little bit. But still throws eighteen touchdowns but throws fifteen interceptions. So good in bed in a lot of sense of what he's look would. He should we should be expecting from him going as a Washington Redskin. It's an it's an up and down to twin for sure of how this is all gonna go down. But that is the big trader happing ashtray despite the non-trade happen with into around a lot happening. There's a lot to keep track of a lot. Don't keep hold of. But there was. It was just one of those things where you're looking at it like oh that happened. But then all this happens. You know, I mean. It just seemed come in over like, I mean, that's the beauty of offseason. Right. You can you can. Look to. You look to say, okay, we're gonna. We're looking at this. Okay. This is the news. That's happening right now. And then boom something happens here. Like, I was just concentrate on this now at the focus on this just like your mind has to go everywhere you to be on your toes. Thank God for iphones and smartphones. These updates would not be happiness frequently and we wouldn't be as hectic there will be a lot more hectic and pennock times trying to find all the news. If it didn't all just happen on your phone it in couple of seconds where you get three different new stories. So thank God for that. Right. I mean, there's just like we would still be thinking Brown's Bill probably right now if that was the case, but we're gonna take a short break here. And when we come back, we'll be talking about another trade that happened between the Browns and the giants and we'll get right on that. When we return. Check out the show that's built on the m from UFC two extreme cage fighting they got the fights covered out. GSM see 'em podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we've talked to in about some of the biggest names of 'em past president future. When it's the fight game. There's just one show to check out GSM podcasts dot com. Backslash M. E dash podcast. Don't forget to Facebook. Could follow them on Twitter? Busy GS MC podcasts dot com. For more info. Welcome back to the GMC football podcast Bill the two big traits that happened yesterday. Well, one big trade in winter that didn't happen. So we're kind of in a limbo at the moment with those two, but. As of right now, we have another trade as Cleveland trades for all Vernon the probe fits from the New York Giants. They got him. They didn't get into that got great defensive player. You know, Vernon foreshore as the giants are sending the Pro Bowl defensive end to Cleveland in exchange for offense alignment, Kevin's Hitler. I hope I said that we Ziegler said that right? And a pretty good offense lineman. Pretty wasn't pretty good Stiller up a player for the Browns wasn't amazing. But he's still got the job done. So it's just a minor. Swap of like if you will that this is in the twenty nineteen day were picked number one thirty two in number one fifty five respectively. So they're basically changing fourth fifth round pick. But the new Browns linebacker all Verna who's got trade is do fifteen point five million dollars each of the two remaining years on his deal. The Browns about seventy seven million dollars in Cavs face work with entering when they made the trade today. So it makes sense in the long run. But the giants do eat eight million dollars dead money from the contract Vernon has but still saving eleven point five million dollars. So I mean, it does help both teams in the long run. I guess, but it seems to me that the the Browns are getting another huge addition in their rushing game in their in their defensive game in all of Vernon who can play defensive fan or play tied our linebacker. He's a he's a versatile player that can do a lot of things on the field. And he's a very big. He's a very good edition. I think he wants to get any New York as fast as possible because that team's not looking good for the future. And with the looks like there is going to be also departure of OPEC junior. That team looks at the bottom of the NFC's for quite some time. And now he's on a team that could win the north is my twin the northeast in the Cleveland Browns. You know, it's sometimes say they're still contenders. But in long run, you gotta be impressed with how patient they were. And they did basic the Cleveland Browns. Basically did this any Sixers trust the process system in where they kept losing. But they kept getting high draft picks, and they just loaded themselves with very young fresh talent that can get the job done. So do I see them making the winning division? Yes. I do do. I see too icy. The Steelers getting that position. No, I do not honestly. I think they're going downhill. I could be also wrongly can make me if I'm wrong, they might earn their worth back into the limelight. If you will. But when it comes down to it. Buffalo are trying to buffalo. New york. Giants are giving very valuable player for not really much. And I'm not sure if this is a good technique or bed technique in general. But we'll see how it all. Turns turns out after that trade is well trade kinda already officially they haven't really done any introduction stuff yet. Because the fact we're still not at the official end of the season or the start of the new regular sort of the new off. So this is all basically saying, hey, we have this already to go just be ready by Wednesday and you'll see all the action. So. Next wednesday. Get your phones out always look at your phone every five ten seconds might be the SP entered Bleacher report or any other news source uses camp comes calling and says, hey, this this this is I knew free agent signing a new trae. Let's check him out and see who who won that the trade or got the free agent guy that everyone was looking for. So we're close to that. We are close to that part of the offseason were still in the midst of just. Leading for more news to come about, especially for Tonio, Brown and such. But this very interesting to say, the least and but again back to Oliver, and he's great. Great defensive end slash linebacker for the New York. Giants will former New York giant now. He's. Cleveland brown. And I guess the question is does this make him eligible? Does this make the Browns even more favorites? Not just for the AFC north. But maybe a serious playoff contender that can make it to the Super Bowl. And the first time in their history ever make it to the civil they've made two games in the past. But that was before this rule era. So they have not witnessed Super Bowl first-hand any Cleveland Browns teams. So we might win this. I there's always I hear everything so why not Cleveland being in the running this year. I only see just love how this frequently this free agency and trade area offices just happened. So quickly. Because one way look there's a free agent everyone's going for buzzing walls to get them. And then there's a guy in your living room saying let me play for you, and you go. Whoa, slowdown. But you haven't played in a couple years. You just retired. Indigo I could still play, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just using like MBA keizer random example. But I'm just saying long run that. So much happens before even the trades are allowed to happen in the frequencies even allowed to happen. And I know this on against the rules or anything, I think it depends on the contract. Right. But when it comes down to it, you might be able to get your guy that you've been looking for and in the free market, and then free drafting get your guy there, and then trading you can help get it just there's a lot of other aspects than just how the beginning is working with all the trades because it's how you improve your team. But these trays improve your offense up weapons you've got defense weapons. You got and go from there. And that's basically what the. That's basically what the seasons are all about especially in the NFL, the predictability and with that one more thing to go before we take a little break the Jags cut difference. Balik jackson. It's only been three years since he signed his his extension of an absurd amount since being cut doesn't help that six year eighty five million dollar deal three years into it. He gets cut that's pretty disappointing for both parties. Both the player in the franchise that pay them all that money just to be cut for three seasons. And. But that being said there's one more fan wanted us. Gus. And I mean, you can have your own opinions on this. I'm just going to voice my opinion. There is a player on the Cowboys the name of David Irving who quits the NFL while possibly smoking marijuana on his live instrument feed. And he says he's quitting to protest the anti-drug of the anti-marijuana policy rule that the NFL has. And so he's saying, well, I'm gonna do this. So I quit until you basically, he's I think he's doing this change it or something of that nature. But I'm not sure he might be gone for good. But. Does we consume someone that badly? I understand that people enjoy smoking. And I know it's like not really illegal anymore because there's so many different states at approve of it for the for the right purposes, I guess in the right distribution. But. Seeing a player saying I'm not gonna play in a lot of smoke. Weed doesn't really bone well for the future because I have to say this. What if he's like high during the the game that can only hurt his team not benefit his team? But that's just how that's just how I see at least. But overall that should be our show today. Thank you so much for joining us, and please tune in next week as we have more info on Antonio Brown's trade, and maybe in case keenum's condition, and all these other things maybe even some surprise of ragent meetings with some certain players, so we'll get right on that. When we come back next week. Thank you so much joining us. And once again, I'll see you next you've been listening to the Golden State immediate concepts football podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot M C podcast dot com. 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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 533: AB Traded For Real This Time (3-11-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

54:44 min | 1 year ago

GSMC Football Podcast Episode 533: AB Traded For Real This Time (3-11-2019)

"Keep yourself in the loop of everything football on the Golden State media concepts football podcast, your latest news on and off the field. Be it college football big ten SEC big twelve Pac twelve ACC to the NFL with got you covered. Listen to the Golden State media. Cut sets football podcast. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the GSM. See football podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jeff Mallon often with me as a very special guest. We have Andrew Tate with us. Hello, sir. How's it going there, sir? Very good. Thank you. Well, you wanted to be here for the very important topic of in Tokyo Brown, and he has been traded to the Oakland Raiders for a third fifth round pick, which seems like pennies on the dollar, and he also got a pretty handsome contract himself. But I wanted to go on the show to talk about this. What are your thoughts on this? Okay. So thank you. Everybody for having me on haven't been on the show and a little while exit been quite a while. When I first saw this. What did you think of the show? I mean, what did you think of that that move for a third and fifth round pick the raiders stole him. I do agree they stole them. But when I when I first when I first saw that the raiders had had traded for him. I was like what the heck are the raiders doing? They got rid of Khalil Mack. They get rid of Mario Cooper. And those guys are cutting then they train their way too young guys twenty four. Yes. For a big huge contract. And I'm like what the heck are the raiders doing? Did it make sense you initially? Well, I think it was more like when they traded for Khalil when they trade away clue magazine there was contractual issues, and they just seemed like they weren't gonna get anywhere. So they try to get something out of it before it all went wall went downhill. So I kinda got like there was this tension between the two and they were just like that. Just cut ties can get they got two first round picks. It seemed like they got a fair trade out of the deal. The not really because now the those picture being a high twenties probably next year too. When you look at it because the bears look, and then Amari Cooper was that was a kind of a gamble itself. I don't really know why he had still plenty of potential. But I mean look at the Cowboys now he looks like an elite receiver with that. And you know, it looked like the raiders were totally rebuilding. And it also looked like that was didn't say it looked like it would Amari Cooper. They weren't getting at especially getting the full potential to him considering what he did with the Cowboys. But I will tell you this after about twelve sixteen hours of of, you know, hearing about trade and thinking about it and moving, you know, just kind of letting it marinate, then I started thinking, and I'm like, wow, this is actually a good train. And my question was they didn't have to give rid of a first round pick that I was assuming someone hat was probably gonna give away for in. Tony. Oh brown. I agree with you one hundred percent. And if you told me last year or you'd ask any general manager in the NFL this question. There's a trade out there. You have to give up Amari Cooper, a third round and fifth round. And you're gonna get Antonio Brown and a first round pick back named general manager in NFL that would've taken that Trump pick. Oh, well, yeah. And because that's pretty much what they did. They got they got the Cowboys. I pick they get in Tonio Brown. And the granted that pick is kinda high up though that in their twenties that first round pick for America because they did get pretty far in the playoffs doesn't. Plus. We win their division to be honest with you when they made that trade, even when you look at that. And even if you said the Cowboys second round pick and Antonio out still I would still done that to me second round is just as wealthy as the first -absolutely get all those guys was projected for Trump, but sometimes dropped back to the second round. And then you kinda steal some picks there now with this move. Does this like I I've been I was always looking at in defending the raiders matter of fact with their moves are getting rid of the Mari Cooper and Cleo MAC because I'm like, they're rebuilding then moving to a new city, and then this Antonio Brown move, aren't they rebuilding? Or are they trying to gear up and try to win? Or are. They just know what it could also be sales ticket sales jersey sales marketing because he Tony Brown could be drawn Vegas as well. As grim drawn Vegas to be is Jon Gruden this whole guy. So I think that could also be it. But the contract that they reached instructed with in Ronnie point one million dollars over three years thirty of it, guaranteed, right? That is a lot for. I think that's the most for wide receiver ever if I'm not mistaken. It's up there you want to know what is a lot. The craziest thing of all is what the heck Witter. Pittsburgh steelers. Doing the fact that they traded him for what they got is. Ben rothlisberger. Crazy. I don't care. I make him sit the bench. I don't care. What are you on bell, basically, pulls a living on bell innocence. Okay. As far as cap goes who is the highest paid receiver in the NFL as far as salary cap goes for this new next season. Well, it seems like it tell me a Browns could be the guy, right? You would say Antonio Brown of the raiders the answer would be wrong. Antonio Brown of the Pittsburgh Steelers would be the highest highest cap hit wide receiver in the NFL. Pittsburgh salary cap. Hit of twenty one million is going to be more than who. Jones. AJ green odeal old L Beckham junior. He's the highest paid player. He's going to be the highest. I don't want to say twenty million dead cap twenty one million dead cap against that Antonio Brown counts against the Pittsburgh Steelers cap more than any wide receiver in the NFL. That's Beckham dinner. That's all the the name of top guys. So when you're saying the highest paid player in NFL against your cap is not even on your team, and you had him sign for three years. Why would you do this it just there like so much tension so much animosity between into your brand like the Steelers organization that this was like we needed to get rid of this guy, like levian bail Levy on bell doesn't count against their salary cap it. I mean, it's okay to let him go. But refrigerants, right. You have crippled yourself. If you're the Pittsburgh Steelers. Maybe the best ran one of the best ran organizations of relaxed thirty years, maybe the worst. Ran organization of the last twelve months crazy how like the Browns and the Sears kinda swap that kind of Serbia's the Browns look like a genius organization with the young talent they have around them and the potential of a playoff run. And that the trade for Vernon from the giants who's a great end with Myles Garrett. The opposite end that dream. Everything that team looks like a Super Bowl contender does not I without question. I agree with and now the Steelers look this team that's going to be like when are they gonna make the playoffs? Again. I don't see making them this year. Don't here's the weird thing. I grew up in a small town called alliance Haya, which is smack dab in the middle. I'm like an hour from Cleveland an hour from Pittsburg. So in my town, everyone was either Pittsburgh or Browns fan. And if you're a Browns fan, you're like pretty miserable. If you're Steeler fan, you're loving life. And I feel like somehow someone in that town figured out how to do a little freaky Friday thing and switch places the Steelers organization into Cleveland and dumped off the Browns organization in Pittsburgh. You know, I think that's just the thing. With sports though is like everyone has their uphills. But also every team has their downhills. And I think it's just it's that moment in time where everything is just going up for teams. I've not. I've been doing too all in down for teams. I've been going great. I disagree. I'm gonna disagree with you only because of this where in the world, do you have a situation where you have let's say let's use the Cowboys back in the day with Aikman emit in Michael Irvin. Then the nineties. Okay. Could you imagine? Yes. I understand the Jimmy Johnson situation. You lost Jimmy Johnson. But you don't have a situation where you're like Emmitt Smith gone, Mike orvin, we don't need you anymore. This by we have never seen something quite like this where you like that Roth this worker bell Antonio Brown trio, maybe one of the worst wasted potential threats in history. And the reason why I say the Pittsburgh Steelers organization is maybe the worst right now running the worst of any franchise. An NFL is. In Tokyo Brown. He did all the stuff. He did all the antics and the history is written by Victor. And let me tell you the Vic the victorious one is Antonio Brown. He's an older wide receiver who just got a brand who got traded away from quarterback. You didn't wanna play for a coach they wanna play for an organization that he didn't wanna play for even though he was signed for three more years said he was trapped. Right. They wanted to send in buffalo. He's like, Nope. Not going to buffalo. He would he would have done the Levy on belting out. And so not only did he go to a team. He wanted to go to then they gave him a brand new contract with guaranteed money. But then you look at Pittsburgh. They had they had levian bail franchise tag tags. So they they could French. Tag them this year too. They head into Neo Brown under contract. And what did they do the first thing? They said was we're going to we are definitely going to trade into Neo Brown. He's gone when you say that. That means automatically. You've lost your leverage with every team in the NFL. You're no longer in demand is now you need him out in people are not gonna give desperate to get rid of a guy because you've put it out there. He is not coming back. Right. So now instead of getting the first round pick like you get for Amari Cooper you. Now, get a third and see if that's my question. What did the bills offer? It's my question. I don't think that was ever been released. It doesn't. No, it was never released. But I'm that they were the ones that gave the first round pick because they knew the market like, and how people would like everyone else would go for maybe they kind of one up the ante little bit with it. And it would never come out what he offered. But the fact that matter is is that he just in Tokyo Brown changed the NFL to this weekend because he demanded a trade as an older wide receiver. Demanded a trade demanded that he gets. Gets a guaranteed contract. Even though he's under contract and said, if you treat me I'm going to pick where I go. Nope. I'm not gonna head likely receivers guy. He had no Voy to get any trade clause or anything. There is nothing where he could have said that could have stopped that. And this is why said the Pittsburgh Steelers. Literally ran may be the last twelve months the worst organisation football because they took a wide receiver that had zero leverage and gave him all of it all the leverage. And then what do they do? They slid their own throat by saying he's not coming back, and then have the owner meet with them. And is that more of a pro for Antonio Brown? Or is that more of a negative for the Steelers? It's a it's a big huge f minus four. The Pittsburgh Steelers. I did not like any of the antics Antonio Brown had. Yeah. But he gets an a plus because he got everything on his wishlist. He he was very smart about it. If you're in a nuisance, and that's was that's like just get rid of him as fast as possible yet. If you're the kid who got bad grades skip school, head temper tantrums, and you still get everything you wanted for Christmas. You're doing something. Right. Yeah. But you know, who's gonna know who's gonna fail other wide receivers NFL because there's no way they're going to replicate that right because there's going to be other wide receivers out there saying, you know, what I wanna do what he just did you know, who's rings bells? Odell Beckham junior. And he just got a brand new context. I don't. But. Yes, he he's on the trade bloc. Supposedly, the the the arrogant. He is getting shot at the moment. I don't think they're in trade discussions. That's the ruber. I think they're more listening offers. But I don't think they're serious about getting rid of him. I'm not I could be wrong on that one. He has the same kind of qualities is in Tonio Brown. Does granted not see the person that I think is going to benefit the most from this is Julio Jones. Oh, he can he? Yeah. He can parlay the situation here in time. I would put the Andrea Hopkins on that list as well. I mean, he's just as elite in my opinion. He's up there as a top five hour deceiver. He does dandruff, Hoppy, right? He's young. I'll say I'm just saying if you're an older wide receiver you want to get some more guaranteed money. It's time to talk to the falcons and just say, hey Antonio Brown. Oh, three years. They're they're gonna they're going to come to his will. Yeah. You're he's there. He's our franchise. Because if you're if you're if you're Julio Jones, you're like, I need more guaranteed money. We need to redo this twenty-six. Andrea Andrea Hopkins there, you know, he's he's viable because he's good and young Julio Jones has has a little age. He's not an old wide receiver. He's a middle age wide receiver. And if you're a middleweight rise thirty so they made right as a Antonio if you're middleweights rabbits wide receiver. I want some more guaranteed money. Oh, absolutely. Because you might not flip are you might not survive the contract based off injuries or. Anything like that? I walked and falcons. I say, listen, I'm loyal to the falcons at never done any of the stuff that that ends, cried, all and all our mask and forth that you take care of me. The Wade raiders took care of him. Thirty million dollar guaranteed is very is very appealing thing. And if you're Atlanta Falcons before he becomes disgruntled. You gotta give it to him. Yes. Absolutely. Especially the falcons who they they need the ranch. He's their franchise is am I talking crazy? No, absolutely. Not like, it makes sense. Like, Matt Ryan may be considered the franchise. But I always thought Julio Jones was a head of him in with when it comes to falcons organization. I see I still put Matt Matt Ryan one. But who Jones is to, you know, well at Ryan's the president vice president is Julio Jones speaking of quarterbacks I think this puts more pressure on Derek Carr than anybody else in this situation. Absolutely. Without question. If I'm if I'm the. Raiders. I know he had a batter a better year this year. And I think a lot a lot of people are thinking that the raiders went out and got into Neo Brown because this is the test year. It's we're gonna see what he does. And if he doesn't perform this year there's a bunch of really good quarterback. Next year is a quarterback traff. The lookout for negative strap this draft is turn look better. But I do agree with you with some other great big fan of the quarterbacks in this draft. You don't like Collor Murray. I don't. I'll into the car to take him. It looks like Josh Rosen gone. Over reason why I don't like them. I think Keller Mer is has all the potential to be a great quarterback. But you're looking at a guy who is five ten. And this is with weeks of getting weeks of getting ready. He could only weigh in at two hundred seven pounds. When you when you tell me if you told me. In april. I have to go way in and I need to be at this at a particular at a higher wake on UFC way way need to make weight and that is gained weight by this date. And he still came in at two seven. That's a force tool. Seven that's to me that sounds like a lot of water weight that so you're looking like two of for next year, if you're the raiders incense or or I don't like it from Oregon. I don't like a quarterback that that that's that small who do you like them of the draft next year since you're saying that next year quarterback, Jeff who's the one? That's impressed. You the most like saying if clemson's quarterback is one he's comes out here. Now is yourself. I is it next year as the year comes out next. I'll double check that. But that's the guy that I. Serious as guys that can be a he's he has the potential to be that. I hate to say like franchise, I'm gonna. Yeah. That I didn't wanna say Peyton Manning. But that Andrew luck type quarterback pay Manning's a little much because no one's going to replicate. Right. That do you remember when when Andrew luck was playing and you're watching the Stanford. You could see him even right from the gate. You can look at this guy and says he's calm under pressure. He has the size Seattle, leadership qualities right stuff this guy. He height he could make this rose. He's his his how he handled against Alabama. And then as against Alabama, you know, maybe it's not this this next season when he's thinking season, right? He's so he has one more to this coming up one more. But that's the guy. That's the future of college football mean of. Professional football. That's the guy I want. Yeah. And everyone's saying the same thing too. He's got he's got the what he did in the national championship game. Really put him over the top to just based off like a lot of guys who probably be a little nervous facing the best team of like this of just generation Alabama and then actual championship game and having to basically replaced. Shawn Watson who won them national championship and coming and just absolutely dismantling Alabama, he embarrassed. And I kind of look at it. As like it's going to be another rematch this year. If doesn't not feel. No way off the beaten path of Antonio Brown. But since we talked about college football, if feels like already that it's Clemson versus Alabama national championship, and it's including classes are top notch as well xactly. But let's let's trace right back to back in Tony Brown. Derek carr. If Derek Carr does not live up to the expectations of having Tony Brennan's his wide receiver is he just done is. He is there. No comeback from that. That's a tough question is he done. He quietly had a decent season last year. Even though it just don't seem like he had a good season where everyone around him was terrible. Right. When you look at that when you look at what was around him the fact that he lost his number-one receiver. The fact that they lost their their main defensive guy. He still put up good numbers. I still don't think they're done with him. I I was I I'd be really thinking hard about that. One thing that I am still waiting on. The shooter drop is where does Levy unveiled land and one of the raiders are in our team. Yes, they are. That's the reason why brought that up. You wanna go there with in Tonio? Does it matter to him? Do you? Well, Derek their car already. Started follow him in Twitter on Twitter people really little too much into that to be listen. If I'm if I'm car, listen, not only am I follow him on Twitter, Instagram. I'm if he got a tumbler account, my mice. I'm going all of them base. I'm going to go all this. Social media planning and not only that I'm sending them smoke signals. I'm doing whatever I can get him there when you look at the running game in Jon Gruden loves his running game. Yes. Jon Gruden loves a running back. But you have when you get Levy I'm Bill you have a maybe the best running back in the NFL. I still say it's not really gone. With the year gone. I think that makes them even more dangerous the year off gives them a chance to heal up. Take care of a lot of lot of wounds. Girly is beat up girly beat up but really had an MVP like season last year. He had a great season. But if I if I was going to take a running back right now, it would be Levy on bail. And the reason why that is because he's a hundred percent healthy. He's arrested. Top-flight running back who is an incredible receive routed a backfield an incredible slot receiver an incredible tied in. He's that he's full wish army knife that if you don't have a great offense, align what's the best way? If you if you don't have a great offense line having someone that can handle that slot role the tide in role or catch out of the backfield is super viable, and so that's why think levian if the if I'm the raiders, and I'm going that route. That's where can I count on? That was something hit me with Levy on Bill on the sealers. They had amazing offense line this healers. They always had a steady one they always had one that was reliable. If he goes to a team like the raiders are not very reliable is he still does he know how to dab to affect. He won't have the same offense line. He had in Pittsburgh. I don't if you don't have every. Every player every quarterback every running back and every wide receiver is affected by the offense alive. Sloughing? Make no mistake about it. If you take the offense a line from Emmett Smith, he's not the all time leading rusher. You have to have that offense align. Now, the raiders are raiders have a lot of draft picks. This is true. And so the future of what that often salons gonna look like with all the draft picks. They have I still don't know. So it's more about to be continued. But if it is an adequate offense line, then Libyan bell is guy. If if you're just gonna have an adequate offense line, you've you've done some you look at have you upgrade if you bring Levy on bail in. If you go levian bell in the backfield and Tonio Brown at wide receiver a good receiving core makes it so you can't put eight nine men in the box that helps out that often to line by having a good wide receiver and a good passing win that pressure on Derek Carr in theory that you know, there's there's good this year pressure around. But adding be a whole nother. Level one it. Yes. No. There's this is I feel like this is a pressure year for him has to be because if he doesn't perform it's on him. I could definitely see him in a situation. Where is he the next Ryan hill right guy that like, and then the thing is like people could say he didn't have some good years because the town random wasn't very talented granted this year. He has the best talent recall. No, he's he's that's one. But just because you have one guy they need. Let's see what else they what what why records going to look like. Well, the other was here is need to step up. Because. Right. Brown's could be the double coverage guy if you have a complimentary second in Slava's here, then you can do something good. But that's why Levy I'm that's why even we're living. I'm Bill if they went on gotta Levy on Bill. He'd be the second hit that be there. He'd beat her third option. The number two guy. I would even put him at the number two option. Be honest. He should be the number two because you'd have. You'd have do they have Jared cook still is he still a raider? I haven't gone through their whole roster because off season hasn't even started yet. So I haven't gone through. So I'm not I can't speak on that. But if he stays there, then he then car has a great tight end in a great wide receiver. And if he gets bell he has a perfect trio around him that he can throw the ball to. He there's no excuse for him not to do. Well, no, I he he has he has been upgraded at wide receiver pretty much. You've traded Crabtree for Tonio Brown. Yes. That's the way. I see it. I personally I think they should've kept trapped Crabtree just got cut by the ravens as well. If I'm right? Yes. He did. He honestly he had some good years with the Niners. Okay years. Let's be honest. And that kind of got him to the raiders. And he was okay there. He just never lived up to the potential that. I believe he was the tenth overall pick of an mistaken, and so going with the guy that really never lived up to his potential to. That's exceeded all his potential in Tonio Brown. Ovaries seeing what was six round pick out of central Michigan. Now, this is one of the things we were talking about. Am no you're gonna touch on this a little bit about perception and reality and looking at what a guys best year was we were talking about Danny amendola, and what his best year was when you look at Antonio Brown. You say would you take Antonio Brown's worse year? The answer's yes. One hundred percent. Yes. I'd you. That's a success. You say until you Brown's gonna have just an average to below average year for Tonio Brown. That's for the real over thousands hards what six touchdowns successful raiders, no matter. How you slice it. He could play his words is probably there was he was best. Yes. I agree with you on that one. Yeah. Antonio Brown's is that special player and hopefully with him in his situation where he's happy. He won't be as a problem on the sidelines. As has an s that worries me because the raiders. Great that kind of stuff, right? I'm just saying that a Butthead semi crazy to think that in once upon a time I was I used to advertising I used to get to use to sell raiders packages here and bay area. And so I did a lot with the raiders the raiders has been known as a very loose franchise. Until you Brown is a guy you gonna have to rein in a little bit, Mr. milk. Mustache is going to have. I don't know what that was all about. I mean, come on. It looks ridiculous. It's it's an interesting fashion decisions different. We all wanna be diff-. But he's he's going another level. But granted he as long as he does. Well in the field. I wouldn't have a problem. But like like you said you do need like have some like rains on this horse. You know? Yes, you're gonna have rain amend a little. Yeah. And if you don't if he just he can if he walked over there regulars organization, which he might he might be you might be able to walk over them. I don't think John gruden's Jon Gruden is very comfortable where he's at no one's going. I don't think anyone is going to walk all him. I think I just think Antonio Brown skin, tried to he's at least try to test the waters, if you will when you have when you show them training camp in their seventy five eighty guys. There's there's always someone that's going to try. Especially where contract like that. And he's gonna. Grueling very comfortable and your contract. He's no one's gonna know. What's going to run over? But with that. Okay. Let's see first day training camp in Tony comes in on that new car like Willis stretch limo. Things are helicopter is Gruden get take that. No, that's that's no big deal there. I don't really I don't really look at that. As a big deal. That's like Dion Sanders coming in with is custom made golf cart. I'm just curious. Sometimes some coaches have like a little bit of a problem with that. Like who do you think you are kind of scenario? I think gruden's more word about his antics that's going to cause a riff on between the team, and that's not gonna cause a riff if you played any sports, you realize just people's personalities. It sounds like that him in Brandon Carr, Buddy's buddies. Now, they're like best friends, all of a sudden have you seen like they've gone along already, you know. And that's that's half the barrel. A lot of guys don't get along. With Ben Rothlisberger. There's already starting to be a relationship there. May I say something counter this real quick? We're a little over the top. We'll take we'll go real quick. Do you? Remember when Terrell Owens for went to the eagles him in in the proble him in Don McNabb like best friends member. They were they were close. And they were like, okay. If they get together, though, says is relationship, and then they got together and Philadelphia and they hated each other's guts. Well, number one, you're taking one incident out of millions of their quarterback receiver combination. I'm this Keith sample with Seaver receivers is what I'm trying to understand. We come from just saying I feel like that's more of an outlier. Than I think Antonio Brown. Traditionally when you look at into Neo Brown, he has his bad reputation right now. But if you look at how long he's been in the league, he really hasn't caused that much trouble until this year, you know, the insects children face live that was stupid. But that's just one that was that's the only other incident before this. That's so he really wasn't a big troublemaker for any year. There was always that camera on him when he's arguing with an offense a quota Todd Haley or something like that. He's always some always looks like he seemingly buddy had some everyone got into Todd Haley, he'll probably get into it wouldn't someone right now. All we get into his son face taught as far when the biggest cancers in football. I'm not gonna call him that. But i'm. He he's trying to create a lot of some later. He has Robeson people to wrong. Absolutely. The guy that brought him in Hugh Jackson. He tried to take his job for God's sakes. What happened there, but we'll won't get on that. But we are getting a little overtime any less thought been twenty Brown in what do you expect from him this season with the raiders, I expect a very I expect a very big year for him. Because of the fact that he wants to go out and show that he was working them signing the money, and you also have a very very motivated their car. So my and I think it's going to be a good marriage. And I add onto that with Antonio Brown loves to go deep doesn't he yellow? And how what does Derek Carr do better? His best asset is his arm. He has a big arm. So that just sounds like they they can go together. Yeah. I think they'll be a good thing. I think after stepping back I think it can work out to be a good move individually for those players. I don't know what. Team. I still don't see the raiders as a contending team. I see them a Nate. I don't maybe I mean that six ten or is it record last year through four and twelve. Five and eleven something they had the fourth pick in the draft. So it was pretty low. I don't be surprised. They don't have the fourth picnic draft next year. Okay. Well, I mean wouldn't be the worst thing they do have five Trump picks in the next year this year next year combined. So wouldn't be the worst thing to have the fourth pick again. Yeah. I know. I don't I see them as still one of their last in their division and division so tough. Right. That's what I'm saying. When you look at that division is super tough there. Definitely the weakest team in that division there one or two week in my opinion. They're one of the weakest teams in NFL. I got them between three and five wins this next year. Okay. I see best. I'll say best name. But I see them easily going three and thirteen or five and eleven if I'm going to eat his right now if the raiders ate and eight that was as Australis success because all you're looking for what would a team like team that is. Growth and improvement. And if they go eight grins on it, and you know, that's that's their head of schedule at that point. And with all the draft picks, and then they have something, but they need to nail those draft picks. You jong-keun has never been the one that is good with. Scouting players. Well, I 'cause I know you got we're up against a break here. But only say is is that when that Gruden has always gone onto situations where there was very strong teams that did not have this kind of this level of or this number of high level draft picks. This is going to be this year. And next year will definitely tell you a lot about the direction that the raiders anchors been gone out of the league for a long time bid up in one of the like analysts and all that kind of stuff and also hired a general manager that have that kind of Alice. But again, we'll see how this team does. And it's all it's all a guessing right now. But that we'll take a short break. Thank you so much joining us in. Absolutely. My pleasure. It was an absolute blast having you. 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So now, we're moving on to some other free agency talks and other things that are happening because you know, as it has nothing can happen until Wednesday's basically what the what is happening. The next official season is not beginning to Wednesday. We all know that. And as we were actually talking there's kind of breaking news about the raiders again as they are breaking the Bank for the the very talented free free agent. Offense alignment Trent Brown from the New England Patriots as their attending the sign of four years sixty six million dollar contract with thirty seven point thirty six point seven five million dollars in guaranteed money. So he's getting more guaranteed than Tony frown. His. So they have not only broken the Bank for Antonio Brown and that absurd contract. They also broke the. Bank for a very very talented offense lineman. And he is now going to be the highest paid offense lime in NFL history. So I know Brownstown, he's only twenty six he's just turning twenty six and he's playing absolutely amazing. He's one of the best offense lime in the league. So it's a good pickup. But there they have some Cavs base. There is they're really they're losing a Couchbase awfully quickly with all these this these two massive signings, these two massive contracts, they have now on their hands. So we'll see if they'll see a living on bell is still available prospect or prospector available asset to get them. So it's gonna be very interesting to see all that goes down. But again, they got Trent Brown another big time free agent. So in the quote unquote off season Super Bowl, or whatever you want to say it the raiders are kind of winning this woman grabbing the best offense alignment in the league. Arguably and grabbing Antonio Brown the best wide receiver in the league, arguably, so we'll see how that turns around. But. That is a recent breaking news. I think that happened like twenty five minutes ago, twenty minutes ago. So. We'll see how that goes down. But we'll look at looking at just how much they're paying is absolutely absurd. But I think we've talked enough about the raiders we'll see how that goes. But there is reports I talked a little bit about this with Tate during our first segment, but there is talks about the giants still involved with talks over the star wide receiver being traded. So there is still a possibility of him being traded. It was centered mainly around. His five year ninety five million dollar extension, but the giant last year. But it's report he remains quote, more Maine's on the market. So the question remains who is this team? That's gonna go for it sounded like the forty Niners. We're going for Antonio Brown. Obviously, they didn't luck out and grabbing him. But it seems to me if I they're also in discussion with the with the giants if they were one of the teams that's going to be a discussion. It's going be him. But I don't know really what the outcome is gonna be there in a sense based off the fact that. Just intoning Brown's contract is also massive. So we'll see how everything goes around. And we'll see everything turns about, but when it comes down to if Ota Beckham junior also traded if you wanna craziest off seasons in history my opinion, if two elite wide receivers get traded when they already have come contract extensions recently signed contract extensions. It's give me one of these things where like. It's we're never get. This is going to change this change the outcome of all this is going to change the outcome of. How explain this? This is gonna change the outcome of all free agencies in the future. Not just free agent excel itself, but it's also going to change the fact of like players who have these massive extensions already, but don't want to be part of their team. Or maybe the team doesn't want to be part of them or some sort of situation like that. And where they're going to be traded, regardless. So honestly, I feel like if Oto Beckham junior does get traded. Then honestly. I can easily see. So many of Dopek of does get treated I can easily see this turning into one of those things where you're looking at it and expecting these massive contracts being shipped to other teams and no extension. No guy who's extended. We'll be safe. And when I say by that is. It just feels like everything's changing around the freidan C. But I have breaking news as the former Pro Bowl linebacker Kwan. Alexander of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who's looking for a massive contract after tornadoes he'll week seven of the seas of last season. The forty Niners are looking to sign him as hundred signing linebacker Kwang Quantocks ended a four year fifty four million dollar contract. And he's coming off in seal injury tourney seal. But again, he's only twenty I believe he's twenty four twenty five years old. He's extremely young. He's twenty four. So it's not crazy to say that this is a risky signing. And he's like I said he's coming off that ACC tear, which is a concern. But he's so young that it should not be that big of an affection. I mean quantum good coverage guy, and if they get Bosa in the draft that they're projected to get they have a great edge rusher. And they seem to be looking pretty good this great signing the full Niners overall a little steep. Fifty four million dollars is a lot for guy coming off an ACL tear. But hopefully, it will come come. He'll come in as a worth a worthy a worth it signing for the forty Niners. But that just happened recently like five minutes ago, six minutes ago, six minutes ago. Thank you Twitter. But that is the big signing that has happened. He's coming off. Like, I said any seal injury. We'll see how he does. But a good a good addition for the San Francisco forty Niners overall based on the fact that. Based on the fact that he is twenty four years old and a linebacker incredibly has a ton of potential so. Already stuff like Wednesday's when this official will happen in uh. This is actually official yet. But so much happening. That's why I love about the offseason so much, but already some major trades happening major deals going down. And you know, this is just turning into a very not hectic, but very crazy off season in the NFL. And that's what you gotta love. Right. And with all of this going down with all the new signings that just happened today? It's looking to me that when it comes down to when it comes down to when it actually begins on Wednesday. We're going to see a lot more than just this kind of stuff. We're gonna see a lot more than these signs. We're gonna see a lot of crazy action happening. And yeah, the winters might not be done yet. As Matt Miller just posted five minutes ago spoke to someone this morning who said he'd trade for ODA Beckham junior's still possible. So interesting. We'll see how that goes. But regardless we'll see how everything goes down. It's looking to be interesting for the pointers definitely be is one of the highest Cavs phase of leave sixth. So. Tampa bay. Actually, this is actually interesting cystic Tampa Bay's rushing yards allowed per game in twenty eight teen. Was forty this is from week one too. When he got injured forty-three ninety one seventy eight one thirty nine seventy in one nineteen that isn't too bad. Four out of your five games. You hold the Melissa one hundred yards extremely impressive as soon as he tears his ACL. Every single game is one hundred yards or more except for one eighty our game in week sixteen. So after Quantocks enter towards ACO Buchan ears. He they allowed one hundred thirty eight rush yards. Then 179 one sixteen one sixty three one forty eight one sixty to one hundred two hundred and forty two eighty one oh nine so obviously he was a huge part of that defensive in the rushing in the running game. So definitely big boost. Forty 49ers are desperately Eva linebacker with. Fred Warner another kid from Penn State playing extremely well. This seems to be a good signing 49ers, absolutely. And. Okay. New stuff coming around, according to NFL network. Earl Thomas wanted the of two years were thirty million dollars. Two years worth thirty million dollars. Now that that seems like a lot. Maybe not I don't know. He did break his leg. And all that good in all that stuff that happened. But. Legis seems a bit. How do I spend this seems a bit risky two years? Fine. Thirty million fifteen a year. I don't know that maybe two year twenty. I think I will be fair fair guests to say, but you know, I think someone will do base off the name, and Earl Thomas, I'm not saying Thomas is bad in any sense of the matter. Absolutely not. I'm just concerned about as injury. That's all I'm concerned about and Willie still play at a high level. I don't think there's a done in my mind. He will be. He would be injured in any way or any will be less than he is in any way. Just because the fact that it just he's talented talented talented safety, and regardless of his injury, regardless of his circumstances at the moment, I think he could still be top player in the league. So I guess maybe thirty thirty thirty million isn't too bad. But I mean, I would try to low ball. I if I'm going to be completely honest with you because I I don't know thirty million just seems like a lot is all all all all I see. Anyways with that being said, we'll we can break now. 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And when I mean by that is like if Oto Beckham junior is treated when they would that be the biggest mover is still in Tokyo Brown. The biggest we really don't know what is quote unquote, quantum be the biggest move this season. But right now, it's definitely Antonio Brown. Going into the raiders that's for sure both everything turns around but again within Tony Brown with raiders Levy on Bill nowhere. He's going there. Still a lot of different still lot of different. Question marks regarding the offseason. But we'll see how he goes Wednesday is when it's happening. We haven't even hit the beginning of the season yet. And so we're excited to see how all this goes down as of right now if I had to make a guess of living on Bill. If he's going to be a jet or raider, you know. As much as they paid Trent Brown the offense and lineman. The raiders did the might not be able to afford them. You know? So maybe just maybe he's going to be a jet. The jets can offer more. So we'll see how that turns out. But you know. Just NFL. Rumors are always going to be just absolutely scattered. Absolutely crazy, regardless how everything's gotta go. And it just seems that with this whole in Tokyo Brown Trey like I said it changes off the game. We are talking about the for whole segment. And it's also reported the Broncos are keeping mean will Sanders which is good for Joe flacco. Yeah. So we say that Joe flacco Bronco, not a raven. But I mean, what are you? Yeah. Anyways. It just feels like there is still there's still a lot more available free agency J Moseley. There's Landon Collins Earl Thomas, and let's see also there. There was this out Tyron Matthew the Honey badger. So there's still plenty of other free agent big-time freedoms available. So. We'll see how everything turns around. And of course, actually the chiefs did cut just in Houston. And if you remember Justin Houston, I believe twenty four twenty two Saxon season. 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Steelers Hangover: Did the Steelers give up and give in too soon just to end the Antonio Brown drama?

Behind the Steel Curtain

46:52 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Hangover: Did the Steelers give up and give in too soon just to end the Antonio Brown drama?

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And there was just a line in the song about you know, the deal being made, you know, something like that. And I just feel like the Steelers fleeced. But that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about it right here on the Steelers hangover the reason, I'm seeing least is my. What I'm feeling right now is that they gave up in gave in just the end all of the AB drama. And that's the way I'm feeling do know how to feel. So I'm hoping that this next half hour. Forty five minutes will help me see through this entire thing. 'cause I am really disgusted with everything right now. And maybe I'm the wrong person to be leading this this podcast because I'm this is the most frustrated I've been in a long time. So once again hangovers brought to you by behind the curtain dot com. Oh, the ABC news. And hopefully, this is pretty much the end of it. But all the Steelers news you ever need. You know, there's ten new articles every single day. There's so much going on. And the very first to go ahead and present it to you. We'll be behind the curtain and one of the great communists on. On the curtain is my good friend Anthony deaf. Yo. Tony how you feeling today? Well, if you and Brian I'm feeling pretty good. I'm not feeling pretty good. I'm Kevin covert though. I think agree with everything you've pretty much said, it's it it feels like they had a drive. That's it. Get first round. They reached get a under. Gave up they didn't want to deal with it anymore, and and they had no leverage. So yeah, it's a very disappointing return for the gresh receiver in the game graduates Uber in team history. But in a lot of ways it says own fault, and but when he care, right? He's. He's in. He's in Oakland and Steelers are left with. Have a little trouble hearing, the you're cutting in and out. But thanks for thing that, and you know, I'll agree with you on that. So my question is we have this show will week ago? And we were talking about that. It's probably going to the raiders we felt like we still felt like you can get a number one pick out of even the number two pick wasn't the worst thing in the world because that's the thirty fifth overall pick. But now, you take a look at it. And you know, you're getting third round draft pick a third round traffic that you got from. From martinez. Bryant you're getting a fifth round pick, and basically the paint to replace the pick that you lost. When you traded with the raiders for Ryan Switzer. So in in ten months, this is the third trade for a wide receiver with a wide receiver being dealt in three in ten months with the same team when we're talking Bryant, we're talking Switzer. Now, we're talking in Tokyo Brown, but I feel like the the raiders at this point shift of the leverage. And and I don't understand saying, oh, we've got pay him more. So we're gonna give you less. They have all this money underneath the cap. Why are the Steelers taking so much less for them? And the answer is simple. It's because with the buffalo madness that happened this week that he drove the price down. Upon on himself. So he got everything he wanted. He left the Steelers I'm not going to say in ruins, but he left the Steelers holding still only twenty one million dollars against the cap because of this guy, and it's just a whole thickening situation that the bad guy in this whole thing got everything that he wants. And I'm sure there's going to be people saying, you know, well, you know, the NFL teams are bad guys because they don't honor contracts, and well, hey, walked I mean, they kind of player, but the player can go out and get another deal. And that's exactly what they do. And it's just seems like everything that Antonio wanted in the situation in Tonio got and the raiders didn't hate for in a pay the market price for him as far as the trade goes to the Steelers come. Compensation was low because. Hemed knew that Antonio Brown in that piece of crap. And I don't care I'm not being professional here. That piece of crap drew Rosenhaus who's done this before in the past when ahead and drove the market down. So the Steelers just basically had to give them away. They could've played hardball. They could have been you know, completely vindictive and not training. But what would of that settled? So at this point. Are you glad that the dramas just over Coney? I'm glad it's over because you know, I it's it was all consuming for since what December thirty first. But I'm still not happy. I wish I wish to draw away of continued. And they would have just been more patient because I mean, they had all offseason they had till the end of training camp essentially to to make a deal with somebody for attorney. Oh Brown that they could have just waited. And I realize roster bonus that he was due. And and there's there's other areas they have to address and they just wanted to move on from it. But if I'm them, and and I'm dealing with the raiders like we talked about last week. Give us one of your first round picks or there's no deal. I don't care how much money you have to pay this guy. You want him? You get that you want. We get one of your first round picks. You have three of them. We want one of them. I think that's very fair for the greatest receiver in the game. So I I mean, I'm glad to dramas over. But I'm not I'm just not happy with the. Outcome at all. I went to bed last night thinking that they were still gonna one from the raiders. Yeah. I was convinced when I saw third in the fifth. I've I'm still angry about it. I'm so angry that that I'm with the point with. I'm losing faith in the entire system dealer system. The NFL were just letting a holes get what they want at this point. That was completely. I mean, you know, he made and Brown made a mention this week that you know, he wants to he wants to come back. And you know, he was come back and be skier years from now as in the hearts of the fans, I don't know how he said it, but he always wants to be recognized as a Steeler, or whatever I think, you know, what I'm talking about here. But for me, it's just I. I am not a jersey burning guy, but the two jerseys that I have with his name on them. I do not want. Back. You know, you wanna you wanna contact me? If you wanna give Tony you want, my AB jerseys, yours if you want to you know, what I'm good for now. When when when those heal wounds healed for right now, I'm you know, what I don't want the wounds that heal because I can see that. You know what I'm just saying? Not welcome. He's not welcome in Pittsburgh as far as I'm concerned. What did he leave them with? He trashed them. He smashed them. He I mean he liked. He liked the tweet about the quarterback raping raping somebody. He completely smashed everybody. He does not care who he hung up dry. He got what he wanted with money, and it's guaranteed money. And how could you know, what I could not hold my head up high. If I did that. So me, I think he's a PO s at this point. And I don't want him back in Pittsburgh. So the wounds are not healed. You know, I'm boxing up anything that I have with that guy on it. And and that's all I can say I mean, he really I don't wanna say ruined a franchise because this is a good franchise, but he really left them in the lurch and that whole business with. With buffalo of the other night. That to me showed exactly that that a player can just do whatever they want and get what they want 'cause somebody's gonna end up paying them until we put the foot down. Of course, the raiders are going to do it until we put our foot down and say, this is ridiculous. We're allowing this to happen. I'm dangerous precedent has been set. And I'm sick of it. So that being said, I. You know what I'm at a. I was saying just a few weeks ago that I'm knocking wis poorly on another player. But I I hope it doesn't go well in Oakland or Vegas or wherever those that team plays. And I just hope I I hope it blows up. In fact, I am going to go as far as saying that I wish a reparable erectile dysfunction. How it toasts and? Yeah, I the on this guy. So an Rosenhaus, and you know, what I'm gonna throw another name Jian Rappaport in Rapaport is an idiot. This guy. This guy reports lies all the time. If it was in rob import have Antonio Brown coming back to the Steelers. So excuse me later on bell coming up the Steelers so many times he's in after his job. And he made this situation work worth with the entire buffalo thing that was two days over. On Tuesday from what I understand Thursday night, and unite or are texting back and forth thing. Wow. He's going to buffalo in rob imports. Reporting live reporting ABC's because he any throwing stuff out there. How can you trust a word? This guy says while we got that source. Well, trust your know, what kind of sources you have. But so this guy help make it worse. Because after that buffalo stuff went down. You you. We're not gonna get any better than a three on the sky. It's a three and a five. I mean, if they would have got to and five I'd be celebrating with you today without to being the thirty fifth pick. This gives them no advantage whatsoever. This doesn't help them. Now. What's this help? Help them gives them an extra three another five. You know, five were last year there fives were tailing Samuels, which okay, he was okay. And Marcus Allen. Good news every play dies. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean when sales we we got a little bit out of. But he's he's a future running back at that team. We could hope he is. So you know, and. So maybe I'm just crying. Maybe I'm just being a big baby here, they got nothing out of this guy. A three five to me is is nothing. Maybe I'll be happy if they get a steal on draft day. But the they really don't. We're not. So who who are we blaming besides can we really put the blame on art Rooney? Kevin Colbert everyone's fire by and it's all my comments fall setup. I I don't wanna hear it. I don't wanna hear the my calm and stuff. We really blame though. Could we blame? Kevin Colbert in the situation or did. He just do what he had to do just to end it. Well, I think when when when Antonio Brown refused to return the bosses phone calls back in January right after the end of the regular season. I think the boss said Kevin Colbert, we went the guy gone. And obviously they met in Florida. But he knew that he wanted him gone at that point because that's that's direct insubordination right there. But you're not you're not entering your boss's phone calls, especially after you after you walk out in at halftime of a game that you're being paid for. So I don't think you can really blame. Kevin Cobra all that much because I think they could've waited in. If I were them, I would have waited. And I I would have put him on the exempt list you can do that next. Season's that where you're not gonna even get paid. I'm not sure they could do that. But personally, but they have to look out for what's what's best for the France. What they feel especially the franchise and and Brown just not gonna make it any better. You talked about. He was he was going to Knicks any deal that he didn't like whether it be buffalo Washington wherever they they were planning on sending him as wasn't a situation. He liked. He was just gonna say he's gonna pony lie. Manning and say, I'm not going. Well, you don't have you don't have any any leverage at that point. You can't get anything better than what they got. I guess I mean, I personally would have waited maybe closer to the draft to see if they could have maybe if talked to the up, and maybe they could have gotten a better pick. But you know, I I don't think blame chemical. But the only person I blame right now was in Tokyo Brown because he made this whole thing so much worse. He could have been more professional about it. He wanted to leave fine. He could have been way more professional than he was. Instead, he act like jerk. There's no other way about it. You just laid out all the all the things that he said and did that were just awful. So yeah, I think the only person blame turning Brown. So with that being said, though, you said something that that really your sparked something in me, though, you mentioned that they could awaited into close to the draft million dollars for me. They weren't willing to give up to another two point five million dollars here, and they ended up with so much less of a hall. What here's the questions I have for you would have if they would away the closer the draft would have Antonio Brown Bologne, this up even more would. I mean, what would have you gotten for him? If you waited closer the draft. Would you the compensation be less because of or would have created a situation where he would've just? Piece would have given him the money you want it. Or what have you just made this sets of such a horrible situation that at this point the best you're gonna get round pick and not even the third. That's a good point. Because I mean and turning Brown businesses, always booming with him on social media. He's always making the rounds. And he's always saying something. And and I it's it's hard to imagine him not saying something destructive or self destructive or team destructive between between now and the end of April. So yeah, I mean, it's it's just as likely that they have gotten worse compensation as as you know, they have gotten better conversation. So yeah, I guess all things considered. This is probably the best they could have done. But it just seems like they it just seems like they could've. Could have had a better return. But we'll never know. Well, let's get into the factor. Fixing portion of our show we like to do this every once in a while. So let me throw this one out to you. And if it's regarding in Tonio Brown, it's regarding this entire situation. So fact or fiction the Pittsburgh Steelers going forward should clause and players contract regarding social media and the team what do you think? He. As far as using it fact, if it's if it's anything derogatory or makes team look bad, let me because other employers do that. So yeah, I think fact. You know? I mean, that's something we really need to. I hope they really started looking at because I you know, social media aided him in this entire situation. I do wanna say something real quick. I want to go back to some comments. I made earlier because I am an apologist. And I will do that. I will just say that my. My assessment that in my my thoughts that I do wish irreparable. Erectile dysfunction, diarrhea and that breath on Antonio Brown. Your Rosenhaus they do not reflect the views of Anthony deaf. Yo and behind the still curtain SP nation in general. They are just my thought. And if anybody takes exception with those thoughts, they are mind, but I tell you what that's about the first time. I've said that today I continue to say that again. And again, I I I'm just this is not the kind of guy that skewers wanna do business with anymore. And I hope we don't get it individual like this ever again. But let's try to move forward a little bit on this Tony. So where it is. What are the Steelers go from here? And where do they go wide receiver? Do they go into the free agent market? Do they look at a guy like golden Tate who a lot of people are trying to decipher his tweet today with the emoji. Like, the I believe it helped me out with this is what's the emoji with the? Yes. The eyebrows raised like the rock like the great way in the rock Johnson with the people's eyebrows. What's that for what the Steelers only got a third and the fifth out of Antonio Brown or you guys need a star wide receiver. I think it was the ladder because he's a free agent. And and you know, obviously, there's a job opening now at at why receiver in Pittsburgh. And and I think I think it'd be crazy for them not to pursue somebody like that, you know, you have to you can't wait till the draft to find his replace you have to try to find it now. And then maybe if you find another great prospect in the draft you go for it. But yeah, I think you have to try to you can't go in into twenty nineteen with so many unknowns. And you're gonna have so many as it is I need to at least get a professional veteran receiver in here to pair them with with do. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted m finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The m a hour each Monday, we speak with the top athletes enemy from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional fighting. Find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Can you think of a better option wide receiver than golden Tate to go along with Mr.? Hanno? I think that'd be that'd be a good a good signing. I mean, I I've asked a couple of people who know more about football than ideas that I think it'd be it'd be a great addition. It depends on the place, and as you notice dealers aren't necessarily eager to overspend the free agency, but I think there's ever season to do. It might be this one. So where does you know, we've been talking about this all along? And we we knew that Antonio Brown was going to be gone. But the question that I have for you now is where it is his put wide receiver. Now, Tony I mean, I still think inside linebackers number one is in need. I think cornerback is number two as a need and. I think wide receivers three more. Now that I think about it more. I mean, do you need a wider a great option? A great veteran option at lied receiver to go along with us Mr. more than you need a corner in free agency. Let's just say free agency at this point. And then after that, we can go ahead and talk about the draft. So let's start with free agency. Is it more imperative that they they go for a white out a corner free agency. In my opinion, the more. I think about it. Yes. Because you know, Brown and bell. And then I mean that was bread and butter of this team. I was the engine of this team last how many years that was the reason it was considered a Super Bowl contender? When now to those people are gone, and you know, you're confident and James Connor that he can do the job if healthy, but we Heaver I mean, other than huge you. We really don't we have there. You know, you have a known Jayme James Washington. You have Email. I who I think you know, you had with him. He's not really going to get much better than the is. Which is dependable slot receiver, which isn't bad. But he says the attorney oh Brown certain starting receive Rany NFL for as number two. So I think you have to and definitely find a really good number two receiver in frames. If you can if you can and then after that, then maybe you worry about the cornerback spot. But I think there's enough there's still enough there in the secondary that they can I. Eight to get by because you don't want just to get by. But I think the secondary. It's I guess the town when I'm trying to say is talent is more evenly distributed. Whereas the re in the receiver position, I think it's too. And then you just don't know. Okay. Let's play a variation factor fiction here. So we're just actually gonna do rapid-fire. Let's do it. This way blank would be a great option for the Pittsburgh Steelers at wide receiver through free agency factor fixing. So let's start. We already talked about Golden Gate, and we're gonna 'gree fiction. So let's just go down the line with some players from my article the other day and free agent market watts. So I have upright here Jameson crowd or Washington Redskins. Seth I think you competing player. Yeah. Tyrel Williams, Los Angeles charters. Oh, yeah. Fact, I like him. Restricted free agent, Robbie Anderson New York Jets. Much about him. I'm gonna go fiction. He he's like even like he didn't really excite me. He's he's also a little bit of problems out off of field with the law in with some things. So I and you have to give up a second round pick for him. So I'm gonna say fiction Michael Crabtree. Baltimore Ravens before you do that before you. Go ahead and answer that Sean Brown. Baltimore ravens. So both of those. I think the mom might be. I think John Brown would be a fact then he's he has more upside Michael crappy. Also fact, he's I think he's a he's a veteran receiver that you might be looking for who might not cost you all that much. Randall Cobb Green Bay Packers. Fact that's another player that I'm kinda like player. I'm looking for a veteran receiver. Who knows he knows that? With that being said, then you're probably gonna say the same thing about up here are sewn Mary's Thomas as well. I would think so it sounds like we we could go we'd be fine with a solid player over the age of thirty. If he could come in at a good price is that what you're going to. I think. Six five of these. And let me take Tiro Williams off the list. I think he would be great option. He's twenty seven years old. He's six four. He's probably going to cost a team a lot of money. So we're both agreeing that he would be good fit for the Steelers. But for this exercise when I go ahead and take them off. So let's go golden Tate, Michael Crabtree. John brown. Randall Cobb in peer are sewn, and let's rank them with one being the highest. One being the best the best fit and five being, you know, we take them but not as high as number one. So let's go ahead with. Number five. I'm gonna go with I think Garson, I think he's probably I think he's always best years many years ago. I think he's probably the lowest on the list that I would I would be excited about. How about number four? Let me throw one maybe Crabtree. Yeah. He's another one called who has I think crappy probably number four. I think he's another one who's who's best years are behind him. But you can still give you something. So I guess then Cobb number three. Yeah. Cobb. And then I think I'm gonna go with John Brown is number two. I think he he'd be. I think I actually I I like him. I think he's a a younger receiver. So I I don't know exactly how what he is. But he's a new receiver then. And then I think golden Tate would be number one. I think he's he's definitely the one that can come in. And and give you the biggest bang for your buck right away. Well, you know, those those are some good names. I agree with you on that. I think out of those five I would be looking at John Brown, and and golden tape, and you might be able to get a guy like John Brown cheaper. John Brown is the guy that could pick the top off of defense really easily construction out. Here's some other names and the Mary's. And does Bryant, you know, superstar in the past probably a little less tractive. Would you take a flyer on the desk? Bryant. Actually, I would. I mean, I, you know, he's he's not. I mean, he's obviously a div every Seaver, but he's also somebody if you're willing to willing to bring him on he can he could he has potential obviously, he can he's at home run hitter. And you know, he can. You close to what AB could could could do in his prime. So. Yeah, I would I would I would personally take a fire breaks I like this Bryant. But then again, I don't have to deal with Bryant. So if he to say. Well, it feels like we've had to deal a lot with Antonio route over the last three months, and it is over it's all over. But what the cryan, and there's gonna be lots of crying infielder nation, Tony. And we know that and we understand that. It's just. Disgusting that you couldn't get more out of a guy like this. And I don't think you look all you GM's out there that wanna play GM's and saying you should have done. This could have done this. I don't think he could have you weren't. This was not a fair fight. It it really wasn't set up to be fair fight whatsoever. And the Steelers are going to look bad for a while. They can turn it around with a very good two thousand nineteen of very smart free agent period and a very intelligent draft. And if they can do that they can turn this whole thing around factor fiction. The. Oakland Raiders win over six games in two thousand nineteen. I wanna say fact, I think 'cause I think they were pretty good a couple of years ago. I think they hit some injury problems the last couple of seasons. So I'm gonna go with facts. I don't, but I don't think they're gonna win many more games. And I think that the chiefs in charge is clearly the two best teams in that division. So yeah, I might say fact, but not not by much. You know, what we talked about the the raiders in Tonio Brown to Rosenhaus, of course, all being winners in this with the Steelers being the loser here. I would throw. Ian, rap report in the loser section because I think he lost ton of credibility throughout this whole thing reporting. What what he has reported in never being right on anything. Maybe he got the the raider thing right at the end. But about wasn't hard to do. Here's another winner in this whole thing. Levy on bell is no longer public enemy number. What wouldn't Steeler they? No. No looks like he's being recruited to the raiders as well. Could you see that happening? Those two in the trading gold for silver and. Thing. Both of those those two killer bees. Together in Oakland Vegas or Cal wherever they're play. Can it happen? Absolutely. I could see it happen. I mean, it's it's the raiders as you said they have a lot of under the cap anyway. And and they tend to love they they've always had a reputation for loving, the the bad, boys. So to speak the renegades and clearly at least in Pittsburgh Antonio, Brown, Beller or renegades are bad guys. So I could definitely see the raiders doing that and bringing them both in the fold. It would it would cause. I mean, first of all like you said moving the biggest so they need to excitement for their new city. And and number two they would. Be considered Super Bowl contenders right away. Because that's how people are. I don't think they would be people contenders. This how people would view them. So I could definitely see that happening. And it'd be a good story actually, see those two back together. I think the great story just as a football fan is a Steeler fan. You want wanna see him fail, obviously? But just for pure entertainment. It would be it would be a great story. Factor. Fixing in the Soumare final one of the night. I am wrong. Brian Davis is wrong for being so disillusioned with football right now. Fiction. This. I know I have you. You have every right to be angry. I mean one moment you're cheering on Antonio Brown. He's the best receiver in the game, businesses booming. You wanna love them you have you said you have to jersey and then within what nine weeks he's gone for third and fifth round pick, and he act like complete jerk on his way out of town. I mean, you ever have all the right in the world to being re it'd be disillusioned. It's it's it's how how many Steelers how many times do greats have left the team in such an ugly fashion. I can't I've been Franko who was at the end of the line. Anyway, I can't think of. Of many that wasn't. Anthem me. I mean, we were to you. And I were twelve years old when that happened, and there it was kinda devastating. But it wasn't as ugly as. No, I don't even close. His contract was up. So. It wasn't a situa-. I mean, it was completely different world than and he never really. And he kept coming back is a Steeler railway. I mean as soon as the apples over if you remember reading the book was their life's work. Yeah. They that that Christmas he was after being cut. I think that Christmas. He was he was at the Rooney's home for Christmas party. I mean, five months after being cut. So I mean, yeah, he he was he was a Steeler. Couple of months or a couple of weeks. So I mean that was that was just one that was the only really, bad example. I can think of but it really wasn't that bad. This was ridiculous with Antonio Brown. This was a guy who wanted his own way and didn't care who he stepped on whose feelings he hurt. How how much hurt his he he didn't care. How what are you gonna do to get his own way? And that's and it's gonna be hard for people to really ever accept this guy back into their hearts. Again. It seemed like a Terry Bradshaw thing. I think we're gonna take twenty years. And maybe that might not be enough. But the fans weren't mad at Terry Bradshaw. Terry Bradshaw was mad at the organisms. Right. Yeah. This is I mean for all intents and purposes twenty Pall Mall could be mad at the organization, but the fans just a door him. Wait it went down. So with that being said, it was a business move. So with that being a business moves, it might be a hip am I being a hypocrite for being angry at Antonio Brown for making what he thought was a business move. No. Because he he didn't handle it. Right. He did not handle it in a professional manner. He he basically handled it, and they office space kind of way, you know, he he from. From. Happening on the way out. I mean, he became Peter Gibbons. I mean, that's exactly what he did. He just not care when he said what he did. He wanted all the town, and he broke the copier underway else. So he no he he was not professional at all. So if you're gonna if you're gonna act like that in a very public way, then you have to be prepared for people such as yourself to say, I don't want what your jersey anymore. So I mean, you you have every right to be angry at at and how how he handled himself and so to many other Steeler fans Burton jerky. So I I think that's that's that's a classy move. I mean, don't do that. I mean, you give them. I mean, give it to a homeless guy give it to somebody. That would actually appreciate it. You know? I mean, it's a piece of clothing donated to someone like that. But don't Bernard jersey. But just. I mean. You know, what I'm just gonna say don't stop. And then the Steelers. I may be down. I may be disillusioned. But. The scene was going to live to fight again. And this team still more of a contender into of nineteen. Then the raiders are would you agree with that? Tony. I would agree with that. And and I also say this Antonio Brown's gone. The receiving core is kinda decimated right now. But it's also good hand because they have great wine. I knew great went into snow Schuster who looks like at this point. Anyway, he has what it takes to be a great one on field and off the field. You know, they they compare them the Hines ward and Antonio Brown spent the last nine years proving it was great. But he also proved that he's no Hines ward. He's no team player. He's no leader and juju Smith Schuster looks like he has the ability to be that kind of player to be another number eighty six if he's another number eighty six and he doesn't get the same kind of stats as an turning Brown. I think he's still going to be there's still gonna be much better off. I think that there is there is a hope for the future which his team. As far as contending extra. And as far as the overall class of the players because I think we talked about this before how they've gone another way to draft character guys years, and you just Shuster is certainly one of those guys and every every way so I think there is hope there's reason to be happy just not right now. You know, what we have our time to sports morning in sports morning is something that's acceptable. And as long as you put sports morning into perspective with other things going on in the world in life with that being said, you made me smile for the first time today by mentioning office space in Peter Gibbons. So thank you for that. I will also say you made me smile bringing up. Jeez. Smith Schuster because he had a two were tweet today this morning. Can you see that tweet? I loved it. I'm ready. I'm ready. So you know, what? Thank you. Thank you. Anthony duffy. Oh, thank you behind the curtain for putting up with me being upset. But guess what? I'm just gonna you know, turn the dial. And I'm gonna say two words, I'm ready. So that was I guess that was a quick turnaround. But I'm ready if there's guys like juju in the room, I'm ready if there's guys like jeans Connor in the room, I'm ready. And if there's a guy like lady in bell like Antonio Brown, not in the room the Neo what being said four Tony deputy. My name is Brian Anthony Davis. This was a very special edition of behind. So curtains Steelers hangover, and with that being said, you my friend have just been hungover we'll see next week and remember? Through all this just keep thinking two words. I'm ready. Good day. Everybody. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns, no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. 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FTP Ep. # 161: More Steelers Drama and the Sentry Tournament of Champions Preview

Fantasy Throwdown Podcast

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FTP Ep. # 161: More Steelers Drama and the Sentry Tournament of Champions Preview

"Welcome to the fantasy Throwdown podcast bringing you the latest sports news fantasy analysis and opinions don't forget the hot takes can have horseshoe without heartaches days. What about hotcakes though, I want some odd case? Now, here's your host ready to jump into the thick of things Dwayne calendar. Hello and welcome to the fantasy Throwdown podcasts. I'm your host wing calendar. Got a lot of talk about this evening. It's Wednesday night. And we have the return of golf, but we still gotta talk a little bit about the NFL. We have the wild card games coming up this weekend. I'll get into that. Look a little bit later on so probably for the Friday show, obviously, I'll try to get a Friday night when before the game early games on Saturday, at least preview it that way. But before we get into the Gulf. We'll talk about the issue of the Pittsburgh Steelers and Antonio Brown. So basically the Steelers have been eliminated from playoff competition, but the hubbub as to why in Tokyo Brown was not playing Sunday against the Bengals is where things get pretty interesting. So the official story we heard from the stories was a load of BS because the officials story that we were told initially on Sunday was that he was being. Held out due to a knee injury. When in reality would happen is that the Pittsburgh Steelers decided to bench Antonio Brown. So the back story of this stems back into last week wherein on Wednesday. Antonio Brown reporter to Steeler to the Steelers that he wasn't feeling. Well, this knee and ask for a second opinion. When the team is examined him that happened towards the end of the week. And the Steelers had not heard for him on Friday Saturday was the expected walk through before the game obviously on Sunday and an Tonio Brown was nowhere to be seen. The stills can contact Brown. Teammates were text messaging. No response coach Mike Tomlin can get a hold of him. So at that point because Brown had not shown up for the mandatory walk through, and they still didn't have. An answer as to what was going on with the knee. If you he said it was bothering him. Mike Mike Tomlin decided to take a stand and decided to bench Antonio for the game Sunday because when Antonio Brown's agent drew Rosenhaus called Tomlin on Sunday morning indicating that Antonio will be good to go and play through the knee issue. Tomlin informed Rosenhaus that that option was off the table. And they've decided to move forward with ferry thing that was going on with the current roster as constructed minus into Neo Brown. Tonio Brown then shows up to the team late on Sunday wearing a at. I gotta say it was a nice for coat as a make for coat. He shows up in a fur coat. Not really doing anything else. Exempt looking like pay. Ah? But now it was coat. I look at a lot. But. Realistically, you know, it was a Joe naming flight kit for count. So I mean, honestly during the it was drawing attention to himself and as the game was going along and the seals struggling Antonio Brown. Then decides to leave the game at halftime without saying anything to coach success. So that's where this has basically coalesced into the absolute dumpster fire that it is in Pittsburgh because now you've got the organization Matta Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown's mad at the organization for benching him and also for not ever taking is back when things came to a head because apparently there was a confrontation between Brown in another team mate earlier in the week at the third week basically on Tuesday. Say that Big Ben was privy to. But then later denied even though there were multiple eyewitnesses placing Big Ben at the scene where Antonio Brown got into a tiff with teammate that wasn't Rothlisberger by the way. But Rothlisberger was there. So again, this is an entire mess. So where does it leave us? It left us with a press conference today where? Mike Tomlin for no lack of a better term sounds like he wants to trade at Tonio Brown. From my perspective. I would say that this could be the beginning of the end of the Pittsburgh Steelers in this current regime because even though they hadn't won the Super Bowl. This was when most dominant teams of the last five years, and you know, for whatever USA about their legacy et is hard too big of a more fierce trio of levian bell. Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown like realistically, you could make a case for all three of them being top three at their position bents, the weakest case. But you could make a case if you wanted to. Over that entire five year span and y in the case of bell and Brown. I think they're they're both at the top. But you know, that's another story. So again to lose both bell and potentially Antonio Brown coming into next season. It's unfathomable to me if you're still you cannot lose that much talent that that that would be the ultimate ultimate just sign of disrespect for your vision thinking that you can breeze by with losing those guys because here's the thing of the the fact of the heart amount of really is that for the Steelers it's not the offense that failed even the thirty first league in rushing James kinda did a very good job. Brian the football this year, the problem with the Steelers was the fact that their defense was so consistently inconsistent that they can look so great against Carolina. Look absolutely horrendous against the brat teams like the Browns and just be all over the map in terms of of performance week after week. The Steelers issues stem from the lack of a death on the roster in the defensive position. Even though they drafted numerous defensive players. None of those guys have panned out outside of rain chase here who tragically. His NFL career was cut short. But you know, I it's just one of those situations where honestly the Steelers have got to fix a number of issues up. You know, you could try trading into new bre, there's no way you're going to get proper valuation and even with the draft picks. You still have missed on so many free agents that, you know, this is a case where any kind of trade if you're contemplating if you're still Saran Tony Brown getting clued a Pro Bowl defensive player in return from the team, you're trading to there's no offense or buts about it. If you can't draft the guy, you got gotta trade for the guy. And again, you're not gonna get even close to market value for Antonio Brown. So that's why I think it's a moot point entirely because again, you cannot get the proper valuation on him, you know, trying to do. Trying to get cute and move him. It's just a recipe for disaster in the making. So again, there's a lot of talk about the steals Antonio Brown moving on. But for lack of a better term. It'd be one of the dumbest decisions the seals would've ever made. All right. Let's get moved onto golf which is returning tomorrow afternoon with the century tournament of champions out in Hawaii. Basically this is torment for every champion on the tour last year. So I mean, honestly it's going to be short field because it's only guys who won on the tour last year. So in this case, there's actually going to be no cut, and the only people not participating would be just a rose tiger and Phil. So I mean long story short. It's a short field, which makes this a very competitive course. Just from the standpoint of for those of you in team based or salary based season-long PJ tour vents, you can kind of build up a larger squad and hauling more money because usually when you have larger fields than you, take some more the long shots, you had the downside of missing the cut entirely, and then not being able to get any salary money from the earnings set week. So makes it a little bit different. This go round in terms of what's taking place here. So without much further ado, let's get into it too. So in terms of the tournament itself. This is case where you know, obviously being out of why it's more resort style. The over the past as base of the researchers they will do the past ten years like the score or has been mining. Sixteen or better and minus twenty or better eight times. So, you know, this is also the reason why the scores are so high. This is one of those rare PJ courses where it's actually a par seventy three as opposed to a parson to two. So it has a four par-five, but only three par three. So that that's what's caused the difference. I I mean, this is kind of one of those cases where you've favor guys who can really drive the ball. They're wide fairway. So you don't really have to worry about using too much power. Because you know, it's kinda hard to miss a fairway when you're playing on the size of courses. So with the wider fairways in that much rough. I'm a really you're looking at guys can just drop pound the ball. So. With that being said, you know in terms of the guys to look at you know, odds on favourite being Dustin Johnson. I mean as the best on draft kings. He's gonna run your loving grand fan duel twelve thousand and you know, it's just an easy play. Yahoo is only forty six dollars. I mean, realistically DJ should be amongst your topics because it terms of evaluation standpoint, especially on Yahoo. There's really not much separating him and the rest of the field in terms of salary. So he's pretty much of forced into as a must play on Yahoo on some of the other sites draftkings again, it's hard not to put him in the lineup. Just because from a salary standpoint, it's not grossly inflated again. Because of the fact that you don't actually have to worry about the cut. I mean, you can take a chance on some of some of the cheaper guys hanging around because they're going to be around the entire week, obviously without there being cut. So a. You know, you wanna put at least one horse in the race that so definitely gonna be in the makes download and I would say for a strategy standpoint you want multiple horses in there. So being that with that being the case couple of other guys, I'm look at Jon Rahm gonna run your ninety eight hundred ten five on fan duel. I mean, basically Rahm, you know, hot and cold tire season last year a bit of a mess all over the place. But again, if you're talking to all the PGA tour experts, everyone says rom is the next big guy to break breakout. You know, obviously you had beef couple years ago. But like the next. Transcendent player that people think he who's going to be come number one world is Jon Rahm. It didn't happen last year. So obviously there are some folks who were down on him. But you know, usually when people get down you that's when guys tend to turn around their game. So I kind of look at Rama's a potential player here next guy up that I would say is. You have to consider as one of the favorites. Or this torment is Patrick read the guy. No one can stand on the PGA tour, but he's going to run you eighty two hundred on draftking. So to me, he's a must play ten three on fan duel. So not as much of a play think he's about thirty nine bucks on Yahoo. But realistically read play has played historically very well discourse, you know, in terms of his finishes at the Kapalua. He's at he's finished sixth second and first and his last three trips there, and I mean, let's be honest, you know, as much as people dislike the guy, you know, he does tend to be grinder. And again, when you tend to be the guy that no one likes you tend to show up at places to rub people's facing it and win. So I I would look at. This is a case where you know, even if reads does a win the tournament this year, he's probably gonna be in your top five somewhere. So I just think it's a no brainer to have him as as a lock along with DJ in your pairings on the defense site. So to me that that's a no brainer is Patrick read to be included in your Torah parents, especially if you're doing cash games tournaments. Yeah. You know, reads going to be a little bit trophy. But for cash games. Absolutely Patrick reads. Gotta be in the mix. They're moving on with some of the other guys. I'm taking a look at a Gary woodland is definitely a not. So household name. That would be a pretty useful in all formats to be honest for as both tournament and cash game. Just because a he has the all around game of that should be perfectly suited for. This course. Oh. I be very surprised if he doesn't place in the top ten here. But I also expected to be popular on most of the sites. Just because from some of the folks I've been checking for modeling sampling. He's getting up there. So general public wise from known as your standpoint, he's not going to be there. But I know from just on the expert and things that he's definitely a popular play. He's gonna run you eight grand on draftkings ninety four hundred on fan duel Eddin on a Yahoo actually Yahoo. He's in absolute must play because a basically like Woodland's pricing came in at like twenty six bucks that I couldn't believe I actually had like double check it because I thought it was a pricing mistake, but Yahoo's only gone at twenty six so like he's barely above minimum pricing. I. I definitely a look at Woodham as in absolute locked on. Yahoo. So I mean to me like if you pair up a woodland with Dustin Johnson on Yahoo. You can easily fit in a read Justin Thomas, and I mean, basically pretty much anyone else gives us the next guy. I'm going to get to is men price on Yahoo is well that you know, I understood why he's been price. But everywhere else actually has improperly priced just because they know how good he is. And that person being Cameron champ the up and coming star on the PGA tour. Basically champ a lead the PGA tour driving distance during fall swing basically he was over three hundred twenty yards per drive, and you know on draftkings fan duel. He's eighty one hundred and ninety one hundred respectively as I said yahu camera. Champ is men price. So like on Yahoo. Without question camera champ is an absolute must play at only twenty bucks. There's there's no reason not to play camera champions minimum pricing, you can fit in champ and pretty much all the heavy hitters with him in your lineup. So you know, one of my favorite lineups for Yahoo. I've got is champ. Woodland doesn't Johnson read Justin Thomas, and then I then I was still able to fit in Billy horseshoe. Who's only twenty four dollars on Yahoo. Significantly higher out somebody's underpricing board. So again, this is like what we kinda talk about. If somebody's tournaments is that if you see something where the pricing doesn't quite make sense, you if you do your homework, you should be able to take advantage of certain discrepancy. So it's always important to kind of take stock of exactly where the pricing is for certain tournaments because again, you can definitely. Make good use of what's going on. If you if you see something that looks a little bit awry in terms of overall pricing for tournaments, again something that I picked up on fairly quickly. I'm hoping not too many other people do that's out of those listening to podcasts. Of course, you guys. Are we good? But yeah, so camera champ definitely is imply here. Just because from standpoint, it's it's a it's a course that plays long. And he definitely has the driving distance to make a name for himself at this turmeric not necessarily to win. But if you've got a again, Yahoo pricing draftkings and vandal they actually recognize like how good he is. So he's priced up. But if you've got like some some tournaments where? You're doing like a pick em site and you're doing salary based chances are camera champions well underpriced for where he should be. So you definitely want to pay attention to things like that. Because that can make a break as some of your performances, if you you're taking a hard look at it. So again, you know, moving forward couple of guys that I'm not necessarily going to be that high on one being the often jer Jason day. I just you know, when I kind of going back in forth through it. Even though there's no cut event, you know, obviously, he's gonna keep playing. But you know, I just find too many value plays already in the in in the mix here that you know, I just didn't feel the need to go down the road with him. Plus, some of the other guys that I had in mind, you know, it's just a case where. I'm I'm just seeing too much value in with guys like, you know, if I'm paying up I I would rather pay up for a guy like Rahm or Bryson day Shambo than paying up for paying up Jason day. It's just a doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me other guys that you can take a look at Webb Simpson. He's going to run eighty five hundred on draftkings fan duel. Ten grand, you know, it's it's one of those places where he's played in determine a couple times. So his past three finishes were third eleventh and third so web. Simpson's. A definitely in the mix just a base off court his core system. You know, it's not necessarily bad play. Like, I said, I mentioned Billy horseshoe will before seven grand draft kings. I mean, really cheap dry fan Dooley's anyone hundred. Barely above mint bracing on Yahoo at twenty four dollars a horseshoe falls. I mean, super streaky. I mean, don't get me wrong. But for tournament play you can do a lot worse than horseshoe. Will you know, the last three times he's played at Kapalua. He sat finishes of six twenty second in eleven so again, very streaky. But again, you know, when you're trying to fit in some of those roster spots you can fit in a guy like horseshoe with Cameron champ on Yahoo. And then put in all the heavy hitters. So you don't really have that much downside playing because it's your salary saver move. And if he doesn't pan out he doesn't pan out, but he has he has a chance to actually windstorm. Unlike some of the other been price guys that you may see on here that, you know, wanna one off the championship. I I've read a play horseshoe than probably like some of the other guys like Potter. But you know, it is it is an interesting. Field to say, the least obviously because these guys who had all won previously. But as I said doesn't Johnson to me is the odds on favorite, you know, you can play rom as well. Patrick Reid is definitely in the mix. I've wouldn't necessarily take us. I mean, the only guys I would actually consider for if you're doing a one and done tournament. I would say, you know, you can use a guy like read because you're not necessarily counting on read to win a major. Yes, I know he won the master's, but you know. Yeah. I it's just one of those where it's like, you know, you take someone have an also because of this golf course being Wendy. You can do maybe like a Burks kept Cup because of the wind and playing off things like that. So like, you take the guys that, you know, you're not expecting to be serious contenders at majors at a place like this, but can also bomb it. So I I probably won't be using Rome. Probably end up using Gallic read. I don't want to use a guy like leash Mun dead. I know I can use down the road. Horseshoe is another option that I was kinda thinking around in my head is like that that one offer a one and done a setting if you if you do wanna done pools. So again, these are all potential options here coming up, but. Yep. Got to fund Gulf year ahead. So more tournaments on tap. But. That will do for the show. Oh, this is interesting. Yeah. I was going to wrap up the show, but I'm literally looking at Twitter here. And apparently. Yeah, I'm looking I'm looking at the video here apparently at Tonio Brown is singing in a hip o costume. This is utterly bizarre. I don't I don't really get it. This is. This is bizarre. Yes. So parents Lee. Yeah. So apparently Antonio Brown. In addition to not showing up for the Steelers is is basically singing in a hippopotamus. Yeah. There's that. I really don't know what to make this. I really I really don't know what to make this. Yeah. So there's that. All right. That's gonna do it for the show. I I will say you can look it up on the video because I'm sure this will be on social media in the morning. Yeah. Antonio Brown singing before hippo mask on. Strange times. All right, folks, have a good one. And we'll get you up later on the week to go over the NFL. So take it easy.

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"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. To the Bill Barnwell show. I'm Bill Barnwell ESPN. We are here on Thursday. They twenty two thousand in nineteen football stuff to get to today. I had an idea. I think it's going to be good. I'm not sure yet. We'll see how it goes an hour. I haven't been guest to help me with the. So I figured ask someone who is very skeptical of the Tony O'Brien was going to get traded as recently as a couple of weeks ago seems pretty clear that something is going to happen at this point. So given that so far so much discussion has been about whether the Steelers should even trade round in the first place. Let's go in a different direction. And let's go around the leak with all thirty one teams. And see. Hey, is there a deal that makes sense for in Tokyo Brown with each of the league's thirty one teams in joining me to talk about that contributed to the show someone who has been writing about this for ESPN? Plus, it's ESPN's Maxine do Mike. How are you? Good to be here. We've got a lot of work to do to have a lot of traits to happen over the next hour. So then we should get started. Do you wanna start? Let's start with the NFC. So we're going to split this up. I had like create trades for the NFC teams. I went through trades for the AFC teams will just alternate by division and go from there. So what are you thinking about Antonio Brown in the NFC east? Okay. Let's just start with the elephant in the room and go with the fact that, you know, Jake laser whispered about Dell dot com being wouldn't be surprised he reported, but right? Right. It's the sort of you just consider the source on these things. Jay Glazer has been around the giants for ever he doesn't usually just throw stuff out. There rice pretty selective in the stories that he breaks and stuff. And it's a story J didn't report it. But like when you talk to people in the league about the fact that that that he mentioned that they like all there's something to it. So let's just start there and say, okay, if you're the giants and looking to trade Odell Beckham, you probably want a bunch of pics to address other areas on your team because you already have good skill position players, right? You you have enough on offense at wide receiver tight end running back. But since we have to make it for in Tokyo Brown. I mean to me it's just you have a post June one trade between the two players. And if you're the if you're the giants you want and that are picked back I'm kind of a pick because Dell's arguably better indefinitely. Anger, go. If you do it after June one you get it's easier from a cap standpoint each guy leaving his team, there's a void there that can be filled. So that's the one I did there. I don't know. What what whatever the pick. Is. We want back. We could we could talk about it. But I think you want something more. Yeah. I think that's fair. I think it's a really fascinating idea. Just from the giants perspective. I mean, if they trade Beckham, they do need another white out for sure I would figure I have sterling Shepard vinegar and tight end, but they do need more than that. But what I find really interesting is the idea that the giants who perhaps to some extent seem tired with Odell Beckham antics would then be trading for someone who's antics might be significantly worse. Yes. And then we get into the whole thing. What do all these antics actually being right now? I mean, if everybody's phone themselves running on the treadmill, but you don't have to worry about me on that. But if we build our innermost thoughts on video, it wouldn't be pretty, you know, I I don't know I struggle with how much of that is truly relevant to them playing. I think there's a lot of players that require maintenance, and we don't see in this light. And it's it's somewhat unique. Yeah. I don't wanna unique situation. So, but I think people will buy the idea that, you know, hey, rosins burgers part of the sue. And maybe tell them how handle the better whatever I think everyone realise Tonio Brown six round pick who worked his way into being a really great player. He's a grinder in terms of work. You know, you're you are get trading one set of issues for another. But guess what? Antonio Brown's part of the trade by definition of our exercise today. He's part of the deal. I can't can I without him. What about the rest of the NFC east any other fits that sense for you there? Okay. Philadelphia was interesting to me 'cause they're they're an active trading team. They have to second round picks. They could also they also have Nelson lower entering the last year deal. So I thought you could if you wanted to do the draft pick thing and say, hey, we'll give you a second round pick. And then we'll figure out how the cap thing works. You know, if we're the the previews I thought of that. Thought if it's a player, maybe you give them a receiver back, and it's out. You are figuring. Hey, we're gonna lose something. You know, we're we're may lose him. Anyway. So that was interesting. I I think their team, but could do it. I think the captain started only reason they would they would struggle with it. But again like you said, I've Lawrence cap, it is a little over nine million fifth year option you might want to put that money elsewhere. But they know they've been interested in plenty of White House. They over the past few years they've went out and sign I'll Sean Jaffrey this off season or this trade deadline. It traded for golden Tate, reportedly made an offer for Robbie Anderson main they certainly are comfortable with short-term additions at wide receiver and mean Antonio Brown will be a pretty good one. Yeah. And he he fits into that unexpected opportunity to get a really good player now there, and you if you're smart, you consider that, you know, you you you're open to that. And you figure it out figure out how to do it next. So I thought they were interesting there Washington, I you know, a little hard without a quarterback two to nothing to sell Antonio Brown. But you want to get the best that have been Tonio Brown. Right. And so it may be hard to bring in their and their stage of development, but I thought of a couple of things I thought you know, what about Josh Norman Steelers need a corner. Yeah. Is he two point if he did it post June one some of these if you go to the various trade calculators, I like over the cap to do the trading calculators go on there. You look at what it is for actor, June one. And you know, suddenly it becomes easier to do some of these deals for Pittsburgh and for the other team. So right. Well, you know that that could be interesting couldn't it. I mean, the Redskins tried to get you know, really upgrade the receiver game last off season really work out for them. But this would do it. Yeah. I wonder if he sent back Josh Jackson as part of that trade and just say, hey, here's a receiver. You can take a flyer on if you're the Steelers just have someone, you know, not not that he's gonna fill Antonio Brown shoes. But hey, here's someone who was a first round pick even give him a shot. You know, see if he's worth a role in your offense. There's not much risk even that he's still on his rookie contract. Yeah. And then that leaves the Cowboys who you know, when I wrote about this recently. I kind of thought to myself and said, I even though they just traded the first pick for my coupons. I would never put it past Jerry Jones in a million years to star player on the trademark it and say, we can make it work. Yeah. Wouldn't you love to take a good player way from the Steelers? I know that haven't been the rival recently that they were you know, years and years ago, but I find I do find it a little. I thought this was a tough one. I just when you give up that one for Cooper, you're basically paying him you're sort of committed to him. So do you want to give up, you know, unless unless you traded Amari Cooper, you know. She said, hey, look, we don't, you know. I don't know if the Steelers want to do that. 'cause then they gotta pay the guy. Right. I mean, but, but if the Steelers are distance such a pickle that they are wanna move this guy, and you, but you don't wanna get bad at wide receiver, you want someone who really has to prove himself and earn that money, and that's marine Cooper. You comes in within in that offense, and is even better than he was with certainly better than it was with their car and definitely better than he was even though he perked up late in the year with that Prescott. You're you're trying to win a championship this year, and you get out of this tickle like, you know, with with Antonio Brown in from cowboy standpoint. Now, you don't have to do with. You know, you got a guy who signed for years. He's in the big d spotlight's going to be on them. Now, you're still run around it offense. You know, the ball's going through Zico, Elliot, I don't know if that's going to make. Nonni? Oh, Brown, really happy. But we if we have to do a deal that was one way. I did it. I I don't know if every other players, you know, bring Collins or taco Charlton hundred players get consider. But to me, it's hard with Amari Cooper being there. I think I agree. I think even if you went and said, okay, let's get Amari Cooper N Antonio Brown on the same team. Then I think your concerns about Mark Cooper meeting or not Antonio Brown getting enough touches to make him happy with baby concern with the Steelers this year, given how much she refused her has been playing a high level in terms of the AFC east. There's not a lot of great fits here. The dolphins. I mean are rebuilding. Maybe a three way trade or xavien Howard goes to the Steelers and the dolphins get picks. And then Antonio Brown goes to third party could see that happened, theoretically. But just it's a lot of moving parts NFL. You don't see many traits like that? Bills Nita wide receiver. But I don't think they're timely matches up. Maybe if you dangled today via white, but I think I'd rather have Travis white than Antonio Brown at this point now. It depends where you're at in your development, but I think for them. Yeah. You're probably you know, they've been unloading players more than molding players, right? Your load players. But you know, what? I mean, they had Sammy Watkins on their decided they didn't want him. So now, you're going to be giving up, you know, some kind of capital for a guy who's near the end of his productive window. Have you probably got three more good years? And you're trying to get this quarterback off the ground is now going to be under the under pressure. And the story every week is how many targets didn't Tonio Brown. Get and we're just trying to win a game seventeen to fourteen. Exactly. Yeah. I don't. I don't see that as great. Oh, they are inactive for an office though. So I would you know, wouldn't just totally rule it out. But it doesn't seem to make a great sense. Yeah. That's true. The jets I think tough even though they need a wide receiver. I always want to make a splash. Just just because they don't have a second round pick in their first grim, particularly third overall selection. So I think earn about this in the Domino's column unless they get absolutely totally desperate. They strike out on all their free agent targets, and they have no weapons for Sam darnold. Besides Quincy, a new way and one more year Robbie Anderson, maybe they make that desperate move. But I just don't want unless they offer twenty twenty first round pick. And the Steelers say yes to that. I just tough to fit there. Agreed. I also think I also buy into the idea that, you know, Adam gates with friend can suppress personalities more than bring them out. And you know, just didn't see the consistent with what he wanted to do it to build his team at the end of Miami. And I do agree though, that I do feel like there is a make a splash factor for the jets and that market that they may want to show to the fan base and others, the they're exciting and and doing cutting things so I wouldn't I wouldn't rule it out. And of course, they have the need. So I I guess I will not quite as much as you do. But I agree with your logic behind about. I think had the second pick. I would totally see it. I totally I, but they have to get a second round pick as part of this process. Maybe if they trade down from three with someone else, and then they had a second round pick. You know, maybe in the thirty five forty eight maybe they do it then. But I think he would be tough patriots. I mean, I I love the idea. I from the patriots side. I'd I absolutely love the idea of saying, hey, we're going to try the thirty second pick for Antonio Brown. This is going to be our way of moving on from rob gronkowski. You know, we're losing star receiver. We're getting a star receiver at a slightly different position in a study different role. But he makes sense financially. Bella check has taken chances on receivers were extremely talented in the past has worked out. Okay. For them. I I if I'm the Steelers, I don't know if I can do this and sleep at night and trade branch the patriots. Yeah. I think the premium would have to be really high that ending give you something, you know, they'd have to give away more than anyone else who's giving you an even heart. So I agree. I think tough one I would love to see what it would look like him playing with Tom Brady. You know could come Brady have the type of feed in the ad with Randy moss or that not practical at is current aid. I think they've shifted to be more of a balanced team by design, but also because they don't have it in Tokyo Brown type player. Oh, I it would be. I think it was just really fun to see but not Christie fan. Just like those dealers can't do that to themselves. What do you think about the NFC north? I think it's very fascinating. So to me the hardest team to deal with their Minnesota. I just felt like, you know, that's not what they're that's not what they're doing. I mean, are you going to give up trae Wayne's and a and a third round pick. Or he could be released any way are you going to trade Adam feeling pay him and then fracture your locker room possibly because it's not the way you do things. So they were tough one. I sort of put them off to the side. I initially didn't have Chicago in my list. And then this funny, I got a lot of feedback from Antonio Brown thing. And so one of my agent friends is like put them in there. And I ran it by a cap guy. Who was like, yeah. Why not? I don't interesting, and I looked at it. And I was like Kyle fuller as a one million dollar salary actually wouldn't be it wouldn't be that hard. So Kyle fuller was my guy to. Put on there. You know, as if Chicago you're trying to be trying to get this deal done because you know, from Steelers standpoint, you could use corner help, and then you know, you're just being aggressive offensively. Maybe you're gonna make a move in. Maybe you're gonna release somebody. But he would certainly spruce up the often. Yeah. I think they can also be with Alvarado's inside of things if they want to trade a receiver and say, you know, still Steelers Allen Iverson still did player injury issues, obviously. But you don't get another young receiver for the next couple of years someone to build around before you have to pay judiciary Schuster could see that side of it as well. Interesting. Interesting fit there. I didn't occur to me at first glance. What makes sense what about the other two? Yup. The inner too. I think you know, Green Bay it makes the most sense. I will go to Detroit. I just get him out of the way. I I don't really know. What makes sense? I'm not sure exactly how this is going. What they're doing. Would they they could use a weapon? I mean, no doubt about it. They can use the weapon. What would you give up would you trade Daria sleigh as opposed to paying him on a long-term deal? Would you try to pick? I don't know if that's just right for them. But I also don't know for sure what they're doing. So I put him in doesn't make a total logical sense to me. But. I'm not really an out Green Bay on the other hand. Yeah. I like it which if the thirtieth pick in the draft for in Tonio Brown, I wouldn't wear their team. I would I think I absolutely what I think that fundamentally transforms on offense. And we don't know what their offensive scheme is going to look like under the floor. I not you know, I think that obviously they are a team that probably has three more on defense. But I think they have a major need at that second wideout spot. And I think that given that it's an extra first round pick from the saints trade given that you trust your your organization to drafting develop. Well, I think that's a chance to get a difference maker. And I think suddenly you have devante atoms who've been Tonio Brandon of Aaron Rodgers. I mean, that's that's a really scary proposition for opposing defenses. Yeah. And would you have so so last year, I I don't have the Packers draft totally memorize, but they they traded with New Orleans today ended up getting the corner Alexander out of that pick. So could you sell it that you got Antonio Brown and Alexander the corner out of the picky traded or that? I can't I is. Simple. I'm gonna look it up as we talk about this. Interim as we talk about. Yeah. Yeah. From a green standpoint, you look pretty smart, right? No sorry. No. They traded guests. They traded down. Right. Yeah. Seattle and then create and there, but but net the net out of that draft was they moved down and got out Sandra who they are related corner. And then they came away with a pick this year that could get him in Tonio Brown. So it's not you know, that that's pretty good. You'll take that's pretty good girl. You've got your own first round pick, right? This year. So and you're trying to maximize everything right now with Aaron Rodgers or you've got this young coach who's excited to run new plays. And and why not give him just absolute ammunition should or when you're serious because guess what the bears near division made the Khalil Mack move. They toppled you. And of course, they're redder factors. But they made a move that helped topple you, right? What's your move? Yeah. Can't blame making moves now anymore. Right. He's not there. He's not running. Thanks. It's the only concern again. Guess just that you don't get Antonio Brown. Enough targets with devante Adams there who think made think he was north of one sixty last year. So I'm in your hundred eleven catches hundred catches a lot of catches one sixty nine targets last year. I think second in the league if I'm not mistaken. So you know that Jimmy grandma's there. He's gonna get some targets as well. But I think that could be that could be a solution that works for all parties involved. The AFC north is going to be a quick one. Because I. Don't think the Steelers have the weird thing about this is let me say this. If you're the Pittsburgh Steelers. And you think hey, we have to trade in Tonio Brown because he is bad for the locker and he's bad for team chemistry, and it's really upsetting us. Wouldn't you want to trade him in the division that if you believe that in your heart because then he's going to disrupt the chemistry the chemistry of the teams in your division? Yeah. But it, but it's a unique chemistry and Pittsburgh that for him right now. And just you don't just export that he's obviously got shoes Ben Rothlisberger unless you're hurting rothlisburger lows team, which I wouldn't advise you know, what I mean. I think that you can get a fresh start places. I don't buy. I don't buy that in Tokyo brands cancer. I believe this situation for whatever reason became untenable, you know, and it Todd Haley leaving was he a guy who sort of kept, you know, was able to sort of come down hard on roths. Krueger, and it kept peace. I don't know. But something's gone off the rails over the last couple of years. And and I don't think that just means that goes off the rails wherever he goes next. I think that's fair. I think the specific like you said the specific sort of chemistry of the situation might be toxic. But given that I don't think there's a lot of lot of these meal. Appetite for the Steelers trade in Brown in the division. I think we can save time. Yeah. I think it's impossible to imagine a ravens trait. Although it fascinates me to think about maybe maybe the raven straight Jimmy Smith as part of a deal if they don't cut him. The bengals. I mean, I can't imagine they even pick up the phone when they see a call from their Pittsburgh area code. Maybe they could pack Tyler Boyd and mid round pick. Maybe that's the solution. But I don't think it was going to happen. And then the Browns I mean, I love the idea of the Browns training for Antonio Brown. I love the idea of Baker Mayfield Antonio Brown together. But I think it would take a significant think it would take the seventeenth pick. And I don't think that's a great move for the Browns given that they disagree on Jarvis Landry. No, I agree agree with you there. So let's hit a break. We'll come back with the south and west divisions. More Antonio Brown discussion here on the Bill Barnwell show in a moment. Welcome back to the Bill Barnwell show. I'm Bill Barnwell ESPN still joint here by Mike Sando of ESPN. We are coming up with thirty one close to thirty one maybe not thirty maybe closer to twenty eight and Tonio Brown trades when it comes to the future of the mercurial Steelers wide receiver we've made it through the east and the north in both. The AFC and the NFC, Mike. Let's get to the NFC south always a topsy turvy division. Is there a good fit for Antonio Brown in the south free? I think there's I think it's harder. I think this is one of the harder divisions to find natural fits even though. He's not a rival division. You know, I feel like New Orleans their cap issues are real, you know, I think that is a real impediment. I think most teams can move it around. I think they're in a little bit of a tougher spot. They only have one pick in the first four around. So would they be giving up something, you know, next year? Who is there? You know, are they really going to trade ally. Apple to help the corner situation. I just I don't know. I gotta pay Michael Thomas and a couple of years right in here to that's a hard one for me, even though it'd be nice to have them and they often. Yeah. I think it's a tough fit again. Maybe they they've made all in moves in the past. Maybe this is the one they do. But I think they make making all in movies at somewhere else the side receiver. Yep. I agree. Atlanta was very challenging for me because 'cause shown. And what are we going to do trade? You know, trade, then you could you could you know, you could you could trade those two I guess if I'm the if I'm the, you know, if I'm the falcons, I want more back than Tonio Brown who comes with better. I mean, just. Physically better. Even though they're both similarly productive, would you would you do that? Or or would you look at somebody on your roster? I don't feel like the falcons can give up defense players know. Is Austin Hooper part of it with they were going to decide you know, he's going to be coming up for a contract. They don't really have a running back that you're going to trade at all other. You're gonna do with fine and trade with somebody, you know, having Coleman who's coming up. I struggled with this one. So it was Julio Jones. It was Julio Jones for Brown and a pick. Yeah. Only if I had to come up with something anything that would be. I mean, maybe if maybe if the Steelers left Calvin Ridley, and you say, hey, we're going to give you Calvin rightly in a third round pick or fourth round pick for for Brown. You could theoretically, but we're a few the falcons, then you're you're committing thirteen million dollars to interning Brown. Your theoretically going to give Julio Jones new contract, if she were he's gonna make something in the seventeen million per year range, are you confident about near defense to the extent that you're willing to give thirty million dollars a year to two receivers, even if they are incredibly talented. I just doesn't strike me as likely could have. Sixty five million dollars of your cap in Matt Ryan and two receivers. I mean, that's acid. So that's not happening then every game. Or you know, we're checking the step and locker room to see if which one of those guys didn't get as touches. And then hey, why isn't Tonio Brown have eight red zone touchdowns? And Julio Jones has one nine you know, whatever it is. Dynamic so. Yeah. I'd say I would say Tampa Bay probably not they've got Mike Evans. I don't think you need more. You know, you you could theoretically do, you know, let's say the Sean Jackson maybe out of there. Anyway, you know, you've got one year left on his deal for ten million. If you traded to Sean Jackson and a third for in Tonio Brown thick or would you consider Gerald McCoy as part of a deal who's known to kind of be available? It's just you're still then complicating things for your young quarterback. Jameis Winston who already has to keep a bunch of guys happy you drafted OJ Howard. You've got Cameron break who could be available. And then maybe he's part of a deal. You've got you know, you've got obviously, Mike heavens. I think he just your muddying the situation there. What do you think? I mean, maybe again, maybe it's Chris Godwin and somebody in a pick. Maybe you wanna trade that young receiver the Steelers want that young receiver as part of a deal. But I just don't see if I can spend money. Did you got the worst defense in football? Or one of the three worst defenses in football. That's where you're going to spend money in two thousand nineteen it's not gonna be a receiver. Maybe the one where you're happy with your Australia. Now. As far as Carolina, I didn't have them really in my thinking, maybe I should have. I feel like I believe I looked at at all NFL teams. The average age of your starters for you know, running back wide receiver and tight end last year. Obviously, you know, Greg Olsen was hurt of the year. So they were like the youngest. They really had a nice young core. I think they were really doing well in the new nor Perner offense win Cam Newton was healthy. And then when it wasn't it went off the rails. So I don't really see them as you know, needing that they drafted DJ more or less here. I think they they have a good setup. If you were going to do it. You know, what would you know? What would you give up? Would you give them Torrey Smith and a third would you? You know, if there is there some graphic you've taken recently who kinda cheap the oath that. You don't like I don't know they have a lot of they have a lot of work to do get younger on defense and some other areas. So I think you need to pick me, I think you you look at J mooring and Samuel and say, hey, do you wanna trade one of these guys? I don't know that you do especially DJ Moore who looks like he could be a viable number. One receiver looked impressive second-half when Kennedy and was housing out in the second half. But just in general as a rookie. So I I don't think there's a great fit anywhere in that division. I would say me became it. It'd be the one to maybe maybe Tampa does have Bruce Arians, which which could help. But I don't I don't know that they really would they have crossed over Lagmay. Did he was he there with Antonio Brown? The very beginning of Antonio Brown. Maybe one year. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing on Carolina their owner has Pittsburgh room straight ties tied those types of things you try to connect stuff. You wonder about is that good or bad disease? Does he have an opinion on Brown? I would think you got some you got some young pieces on that offense. Do you wanna bring in somebody who's now your new leader your highest paid guy and make you know is he gonna complain about Cam. If they run the ball a lot that week. I don't know it seems a little risky. Yeah. I agree two years with areas beginning of his career. But yet, I don't I don't think that makes sense to me AFC south Houston Texans. I I don't mean debtor Hopkins is there again, they have issues. Elsewhere in the roster. They need offensive line help. I do. I mean, I would be fun to watch. And in Tonio Brown in the same offense. But again, I think you're running into touchy issues where you're going to get the ball frequently enough, maybe they treat wolf fuller as part of a deal. But I just I think they thirteen million dollars. They want to put it towards the offensive line. Jaguars again. I just think look at their roster Caplis shoes there. I don't think Tom coffin would want to add someone like Antonio Brown. I could be wrong, certainly. You know, maybe if they don't wanna sign. Jalen ramsey. He you would figure this could be a way where they get Tony Brown and pick for Jalen Ramsey. But I I think they're going to end up signing. Jalen ramsey. I don't know. Kevin keeps too good to let go so. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Yeah. I would say. Other teams teams could make sense in Indianapolis Colts. I think we're a great fit Robert Mays. I former colleague wrote about this for the ringer today. Thinks there's a great fit with the colts ready to Helton granted. But Hilton has some injury issues coastal the ball as much as anybody in football. Do you think Antonio Brown makes sense for the colts? Would you trade the twenty six pick for Antonio Brown? Yeah. I don't think. So, you know, I I do think the only O'Brien you, I hope buddies. I don't think you'd have initially a big problem there. I just don't see that. That's the way that Chris Ballard coin about building with team. I think they've had such great success in the draft. They've been in on players, but really at certain prices and values you bring in Antonio Brown. And even though you didn't do the deal. He suddenly seventeen million a year. So what what other guys get you know, which to me was a factor in Houston. He would suddenly come in seventeen year. He's above Hopkins. He's above JJ while you know, those types of things on a team, I think about when you bring them in. And just I think Chris Ballard would do it. If the price were just really too good to pass up. But I don't think that's I I don't think they see themselves and started the way everyone else does lots of caps baseless do stuff. That's not they haven't left cap space really dictate how they're building. Yeah. And they do have their twenty. They have thirty four from the jets. They had their own second rounder at fifty nine. I mean, you know, if it's footstool Steelers come to say twenty-six. Maybe. No. Would you do it for fifty nine? Yeah. Me. Yes. Maybe maybe I would I would I really want to have that conversation with them and say, hey, look, we got a special thing going here. The bigger than your concerns about a contract or anything else. I think they've got a really nice thing going they've done everything kinda the right way and it's worked out. So when you start making that risk and bring in someone who would or it's been Roth Asperger's felt or not. You know, it hasn't gone well, and then dealers are sort of, you know, for most people in the league, there's sort of the model we're gonna invasion you try to do things. Like, right. I mean, they're one of them. So if it doesn't work there. I think they'll be careful thinking, you'll will be careful. They don't need to make that type of move. They've got the Ankeny coming back a six round pick last year who they love looking great towards ACL in the preseason. So he's had a whole year. You know, he will have had a whole year that they hold out some hopes for him. They do have to receiver. They'll address that. I just don't know. And also from a Steeler perspective. That's the team, and they have see that could be contending for the championship. You know, we're how different are they from New England here is if you're if you're AFC. Yeah. That's very fair point. Tennessee. I think is interesting don't know if it happens necessarily, but they they have Corey Davis who they're they're happy with their, you know, from a first-round pick you continue to get better in in twenty nineteen after that receiving core is not especially impressive, and you have in a strange way in excess of Cornerbacks. You have Dorie Jackson from frustration. Picked you have Malcolm Butler who struggled in his first year. I don't think he's going anywhere for cap reasons. But then you have Logan Ryan why believe from not mistaken is from the final year his contract. So could you maybe package Logan, Ryan as as part of a deal to the Steelers and hope that you know, you sort of kick start Marcus mariota by adding a number one receiver to go with with Davis. I kind of like that a good idea. I hadn't thought of that. I'm on board with that. I also feel like hey, don't any Walker's coming back off a really tough injury. And is older, you know, how much more or you're gonna get from him. He's been a great producer. But beyond Corey Davis. Who, you know hasn't been consistently great performer every year. He he's flash. What do you got? I feel like they they could use help. That's not a bad fit. They've got to try to keep pace in a division where Houston loaded, you know, pretty pretty talented and Indies getting there. Yeah. Absolutely. It makes total sense to me that I would say that. All right, Mike, let's get to the western divisions here in a moment. But I want to talk about our pals at ZipRecruiter. And hey, we were talking about in Tonio Brown. He's going to get treated the Steelers are going to need to add another wide receiver to play with to switch sister. Can they don't wanna use the draft? They might want to use their development processes that have were. For decades. I say maybe had a different direction maybe consider using ZipRecruiter. 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Ab address that recruiter dot com slash Barnwell. My last name ZipRecruiter dot com slash Barnwell. B A R N W E L L ZipRecruiter dot com slash bardwell. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Now back to the show. What about the NFC west last division defined fits for Brown in the NFC fun? This is fun stuff. Okay. I love this division for Tonio Brennan. Because the idea let's just start with Zona. Two ideas, one of them. What if you send Josh Rosen to the Steelers? Brown and a draft pick or something. And the Steelers are looking long term, and you your coaches on the record. He let's kinda Murray in his trip. We're going to go into the season with Cuyler Murray. Larry FitzGerald Antonio Brown. David Johnson buy tickets Zona fan. Are you are you calling to get season tickets or you calling the radio station to tell them on sports talk. How down there where you you're excited at the very least ear intrigued by that that opportunity, right? Yeah. I thought that was a fun fantasy football move beat writer in Arizona rolling their eyes things. Story on. I don't wanna have to react to it. But yeah, that was kinda fun. If you if you really do love kinda Murray in Arizona like their coach does. And and you're not that excited about Rosen. That would be one my utter scenario was you consider doing something with Patrick Peterson. And it's really interesting how he talked about his future. He's really great. I mean, he's been like Pro Bowl every year. I think he's performed well almost every year and he's not thirty yet. I mean, you could say he may have five more really great years. So that's hard to give up on two years left on his though if you want to build this thing pensively. Is there a way you send Patrick Peterson for Tonio Brandon? I would want more back zone. I need I need picks. Maybe. Yeah. I think I'd ask for burns back, and I would say let's try rebuild early birds and are as a corner because you know, we're going to be pretty bereft corner. Even though they signed Robert Alford. He was pretty bad last year. I think they really need to you know. They have to go out and get some more cornerback healthy sees just a phenomenal. Go maybe we could he be part of it. You know? Yeah. That's a really big trade. Didn't get a lot of people involuntary. That's a great fit. I think in a lot of ways in a couple of different ways. They could go about it. So yeah, I really fascinates me. I don't think the first overall pick would be involved, of course. But no, I mean don't need the fifth overall pick to make that deal work as a really few inches possibilities there. What about the rest of the division? The Rams to me are very interesting because I think they they're just open to giving good players. There's a great onion on the on the Rams that was like we'll the Rams approach convinced more teams to try to get as many good players as they. Like. Totally laughing kinda nerdy. But it was funny. And that's what they do. You know, they're they're open minded, they they had her in Donald. They're like, yeah. We'll take a complete, you know. Just another good player. They play the same position. But just because we have Donald doesn't mean we're not gonna do that. So you know, I don't think they're gonna get another starting running back for starting quarterback. But you could certainly do a another receiver on top of Brandin cooks. And you're waiting for Cooper Cup to come back. Would you create a third round pick for them? They've got to third round cops coming. That's a possibility. Would you have you decided that you wanna have Marcus Peters? Would you include him in anything or you're gonna pay him? He's got a nine million dollars salary becomes fully guaranteed next month. Jailed effort, would you trade him, you know, and get a pick back or you know, Jove's Everett and a pick to get him. Or you know, those were just some of the dynamics there. I thought there were a lot of ways they can make. Yeah. It'd be fascinating. I mean that that would be another all in move for the Rams. I I think they'd have to trade at least one of the white. I think they have to trade Robert woods Sammy Watkins as part of a tree. And I just think it's tough to make it. Tough to make it make total sense walk ins, excuse me. Cooks. They could trade him again. That would be the greatest move ever. Now. Precedence. Yes. All right, Brandin, cooks or rubber woods. And maybe they could read woods at Dickey's, obviously, really valuable at at his current contracts that it's still only has six point one million dollars cap. Pip gum great blocking receiver. But I mean. Brown isn't a different level of receiver from Robert woods and woods is someone who surprised me and been a very underrated player. But that's a it'd be impressive. I mean and stranger things have happened certainly from the Rams making that sort of move. We still to Martines in that division. There are so Seattle on the surface. You would think not, you know, they paid titled block it they have duct Baldwin, you know, somewhat pricey and they like to run the ball a lot. And they don't have a lot of pick this year. You know, they've sort of been a teen is traded away picks. So I didn't really have them in the mix. And then somebody from a team that I respect a lot. So you know, I showed him kind of my list before I publish what he's like. Hey, don't forget Seattle. Now is like, you know goes. Yeah, you know, could be a pick next year could be anything, but they're just sort of open for business opportunity. Kind of like, you know, when we talk about the Rams or some of the eagles team just sort of. Hey, it's an opportunity is there. Why not can we get way better position? So I would not rule them out. But I don't know exactly what the package would be can you think of one for them? That's a good question. And I absolutely agree with you in that they've been creative in the past. I mean who saw who saw them trading for Percy Harvard when they traded for Percy Harvard or we're trading for Jimmy Graham when they traded for Jimmy Graham, right? Yeah. So I'm just trying to think is there. Maybe some a twenty twenty first rounder or maybe it's you know, maybe you do trade down, and they they have their own. I this year. So maybe you rate they have the the twenty first pick. Maybe swap Twenty-one four fifty two. Yeah. I like the idea of Seattle still coming out with with dick. So if like, if they did there for, you know, do you get Brown four or you know, what I mean, there's something 'cause 'cause in their minds they're thinking, hey, we get Kam chancellor, we get your Sherman. You know, we we pick up some of these guys without picking them at the top of the draft. Maybe maybe just having the pick itself is is good for them. So we're not ruling out think it's fascinating they've done. These types of moves before even though I think they've kind of gone into a youth movement, and, you know, having the chemistry right with the young group that grows together they've been in the past weeks been open to it. Yeah. Maybe they trade Baldwin as best part of a deal. Yeah. Yep. That leaves? I believe deficits forty Niners. Ooh. That and they are interesting. So. To me, the forty Niners still need picks. What would you include Solomon Thomas in anything? The meaning people talk about him being a three or four fits, you know, and not a great fit. There. Would you do him for Brown and pick? That's interesting. I mean, he has not been he hasn't been the sort of like breakout star they up I think he's a valuable player still obviously, very young. But I I would be very intrigued. I feel like the very least I would talk about it. Yes. Now, that's a hard thing to admit that you know, he was there. First pick. I believe with Lynch as the which John Lynch says the GM now, and they they've been kind of sticking with them. But I think the writings on the walls that he's not he's not a dynamic game wrecker in their scheme, and there's a lot of people out of football people. You know, who said that he could he would be better, you know, kind of maybe standing up in a in a three four type face. So no that was one that came to mind to me, I didn't really like them giving up pick necessarily but find the right player. Maybe. And is there a corner on their team? You know? I know they ever takes him. Yeah. They got quite William. Yeah. I mean Witherspoon has loose has been. Okay. I mean, he he really struggled for a bit last year. I think that would be more of like, hey, we're gonna take a chance on a guy versus here. We have a guy who's going to be a starter for us this year with the others ruin something. It's worth a shot. I think he, you know, he has some value as part of a trade. And then maybe it saves you a pick. But I I mean, I think they're pretty they've been pretty good at finding wide receiver help here sown hasn't worked out. But I mean, I think that they paid us looks exciting injuries are going to be an issue there Archies Goodwin. We didn't didn't really find his sort of role last year, but was great for them. But Jimmy Garoppolo in two thousand seventeen and they have George Cadle who you figure is going to get a ton of targets just because he's might be one of three or four best tight ends and football. And we know how fan has throw the football to its backs a fair amount to so I could see the fit. But I just I think the defense is the problem. There are not the offense me too. I'm with you. I'm with you. But it would be exciting for cash any. And I think he's one of the few guys who's a real big difference maker the caller and play in coordinator. So they would make great use of him for sure. I think FC west is interesting too. What do you got? Yeah. In some the different way NFC west is more plausible. I think in a lot of ways I think there's some interesting fits in the AFC west the chiefs. I mean, hey, you have Patrick Mahomes. He's cheap for a couple more years. I I don't think I don't think he make this trait unless you're trading Sammy Watkins back. But I think he would be an upgrading. They they like semi Watkins says that sort of deep receiver. But I mean, I have a lot of faith Indy. Read could find find a way to make Tonio Brown. Tyreek hill Travis Kelsey work on the offense. I don't think that would be something. I'd be concerned about absolutely I think they could actually I think they could actually keep Watkins although where the ball game. But I think from a capstone thinking they could figure it out. I agree with you that the certain point he wants some definition in your offense of who's doing what? And is there enough for both go around? So he would be very interesting for them because they, you know, they're definitely open that you talked about, but they have some decisions looming to like how much do you wanna pay tyreek hill and house? What's has his contract situation going to go? When you've paid Sammy Watkins, this would be bringing in another guy who's AP Y is higher than it is for for Watkins. He was the top veep. Maybe you'd be buying yourself. Some some insurance that you'd have three or window, and and maybe you had come to an agreement. Hey, we'll revisit your deal after the first year. So win the Super Bowl. The first year of its effectively guaranteed. Anyway, they're not, you know. So I would be exciting. It would be great. But if I'm Pittsburgh. So if I'm not going to trade him New England, I'm going to create a team, you know, almost almost beat New England championship game. And is probably almost an equal favourite principle this here. Yeah. Seeing that beat us quite comfortably during the regular season as well. Yeah. You gotta be. So we should also look and see who's on their schedule the series on the student schedule. That's true. Yeah. I don't I don't think they wanna face a they don't wanna face in Tonio Brown week one. You would figure that out. I don't think they would play the chiefs won't make national. I'm not sure 'cause they play the chiefs as their divisional R S A R. I think it's the first place team last year. Let's see if I can scored one hundred and twenty seven points less a type, I six twenty seven seems like a lot might have been was it five twenty five sixty five five sixty five wives the phone there. Then any lots of great question. The Steelers play the AFC east. So another reason not to trade him to the patriots. They play the AFC north. Of course, they get the chargers. We'll get to in a second. They got the colts. We talked about made sense as a trade tans, and it may be less likely because they play the colts on they play the NFC west. So the Rams and the Seahawks mentioned Antonio Brown coming to Pittsburgh as a. Member of the Rams next year. I think that would be that would be on primetime television. If I had to. Find a way for that one for sure. That's interesting. I'd opens up some other possibilities. The chargers. I, you know, I think Philip rivers would be very excited to have another team in Allen. I think that's the closest guy to me in terms of fit with Antonio Brown. Terms of what they do, really. Well, both incredible route runners guys have just seem to get open over and over and over again don't know that they need him necessarily. They're losing terrible Williams's off season. Maybe you think about trading. Mike Williams was a former top ten fake as part of a trade. But I don't know different sort of skill sets. And I think to me again, if they're gonna spend money, you think it's probably another positions. Yeah. You and your listeners can help me on this. But I believe the chargers when I looked at it. I think they were the only team in the league. It didn't make a trade BUSTER anybody can have if anyone has evidence of the trade. Let me because I couldn't find one just looking through. You know, it's not like the league puts out a formal trade list. That's airtight. So we're sort of piecing these things together like from ESPN stats and information group gives us something other people's track it, but if you can find a charger straight last year, let me know what it was. But I think the idea is they haven't been one of those teams extremely active and right for sure acquiring players that way. So you know, maybe that diminishes. Yeah. I think that's fair. I think they're pretty happy with what they have there. Then they're going to try and win it back with the same sort of core. Next year. Other two teams, I think are much more multiple the Broncos. I think there's a really interesting fit here with Chris Harris who is in the final year of his deal regarded as a bargain at cornerback coming off of an injury to be fair. But someone who is I would say in a similar role at a similar level of cornerback plays Antonio Brown. It's been wide receiver over the. Three years. A a absolute number one can play inside or outside cornerback would the Broncos trade him for Antonio Brown. I mean, they they need help. But receiver they're down to. I mean, they Sean Hamilton, you know, they they don't much at tight end courtroom. Sudden is going to be there receiver. They have Philip Lindsey who great last year. But Philip onesies coming off of an injury swell may not be ready for the early part of the season that one hundred percent, I wouldn't shock me. I mean, I think if you don't think you're going to resign. Chris Harris, suddenly that that opportunity looks pretty tantalizing. If you're John ally. Here may John Elway may not if you're victims of. Consider as they go with the the new head coach with the you know, who's going to really want to have that defense going stuff. Her stuff at top. I feel like Tonio Brown's worth more than than Chris Harris. Does you're healthy. And he's I mean, he's six straight years of over twelve hundred yards receiving headed six say, I looked it up with six straight years of twelve fifty or higher. It's been done once in the history of the league by totally hold with the greatest show interferes. So with Chris Harris cutting off the injury. I feel like that's a little bit of a damper on the return now, I don't know the fine. Maybe he's gonna be fine. But I like the idea I like the idea I feel like one way or the other weather Harris was involved or not that's the type of move then for would consider making. I think they would see they would see in Tonio Brown. Even though he's not the prototypical number one receiver for size, which I think is important to John Elway think to think I appreciate or she likes. I think that Brown transcends is enough right through production and. And other aspects of game that they would value him. I think that is a good fit. Yeah. I think at this point, you know, we sees proven that he can you know, it's like a Russell Wilson thing where don't worry about him being short. He's proven. He can do it over and over again at this point, and that finishes with eighteen that, I think is a very bad fit in some ways and very good fit in other ways in the the location to be determined raiders for the twenty nine thousand nine season where I mean, you know, that this is a team that had a reputation as getting rid of anything that's not nailed down. And they have three first round picks. I don't know if they would send a first round pick in a trade. I don't know that Antonio Brown would really help the raiders, but you are trying to make your team look more appealing to your fans who are moving to Las Vegas presumably for the twenty twenty and hopefully in your case for the twenty twenty season. Antonio Brown gives them a star that maybe they don't have right now. Yep. Odell Beckham would too. So I I'm interested in what they do going into that year. I think it's important for them to have some excitement going. I think Jon Gruden is a former wide receivers coach you came in with sterling char- who was going to be a hall of fame receiver got hurt. You know, he's been with guys over the years. Keyshawn johnson. He's been with know he's been with Tim Brown Eclair Jordy Nelson. He loves the veteran players. So I think he would see in Tony O'Brien. If he you have a conversation with them talk to make sure his mind, you know, he's heads rights and do this that he could definitely be in that mode. Even though doesn't fit getting rid of other players. I don't think that I don't think all is. That are move to get rid of guys with necessarily part of a coherent plan to get rid of all those guys happen. And that's strangely. Strangely generous in strangely. Insulting at the same time. So how? However, you took that to mean is exactly how I intended it. Sunny, I agree with you. And I think that you know, that at some point even as you're evaluating Derek Carr or wherever you're next quarterback is going to be you're gonna receive for help. I mean, they have nothing at receive right now, it's personal at minutes Jordy Nelson's or cook is a free agent. I mean, they need weapons for whoever their quarterback is just to get a reasonable evaluation of set quarterback. So I mean, I wouldn't want to trade the Amari Cooper pick. I wouldn't want to trade a first rounder. But if you start getting into the second round picks, they have their thirty five. I mean, not too high. I don't know. I mean, I at least think they're going to have a conversation about it. Yeah. They don't feel like the team to me though, is hey, we are Tonio Brown away. You know, what we're gonna pay premium here bring this guy, and it's gonna make a real tangible difference in our season or outlook. We go from being in the AFC championship game to maybe doubling our chances of getting to the Super Bowl run it at all. He does. He makes them does. Is he part of do they feel like next year they need to get to nine wins. It'd be part of that. Maybe maybe that's there the cave. We have to sell tickets Vegas. We have to be at least looking like we're on the right track going into bagels, or they maybe you know, is Jon Gruden enough to sell tickets there. I don't know. Maybe not if you have to really bad years getting worse. So I think he definitely when you got to think about for them. Yeah. So I mean, given that we've talked about thirty one teams is there a team that sends out to you as a team that makes the most sense or couple teams that is make the most sense to you. Yeah. So for me Green Bay definitely I think you and I both agree. I Green Bay was an interesting team. They have the draft capital. They have the quarterback to maximize. They have the new ofensive coach coaches, you know, looking to build some excitement and everything sort of lined up. I think they're already a good team. You know, they could get the most out of them. So I think they're number one on my list of intriguing teams. I think Green Bay is number one for me as well. I would say maybe if I picking nave c team. I would say maybe Tennessee, maybe Denver are in that range for me. I think he made a good point about the colts in terms of how they're building. I see the onfield fit the off it is not there. But I mean, I I think there's options in both conferences in terms of what you know, people who would be interested. I think there's going to be legitimate market for Tonio Brown. If the Steelers aside, they really do want to go through with this. Yep. I agree with you. It's fascinating veal building. This whole thing is interesting that a player may be able to force the Steelers to trade them. That's amazing. Yeah. Situation where the the talked about the cap situation for it. I mean the Steelers save no money basically in this year by trading Antonio Brown. I it's it's almost unprecedented in terms of waiting this much on though, you do if you if you if you wait in trade after doing one they get a lot of relief. So some of those scenarios had that. But that's a hard one to do. Because then everyone's drafted rosters were full everyone thinks they're good. Then. You just eating more money next year. And then, you know, you haven't you haven't had the opportunity unless you're cutting him as a post you and I released which I don't think they're going to they said, they aren't going to do then you haven't you don't really have an opportunity to spend that money. You might have a guy like Joe Haden sneak through was a late cut and then signed him. But I mean, it's it's it's it's tricky to pull this off in a way that makes the Steelers of better team in two thousand nineteen. Agreed. So we will have to wait and see what happens, but Mike, I appreciate running through these teams with you always a person who I want to read when it comes to trade opportunities, and you're gonna be covering this and other stuff for ESPN if I'm not mistaken that that's right, ESPN bless you can find me at the Santo piano Twitter, and I'll be heading to the combine next week. And I'm probably going to see you there. I hope so I hope I see there Mike, but thanks for coming on. Okay. We'll see. All right. Thanks so much to my guest again ESPN's, Mike Sando highly recommend you check him out on ESPN. Plus, which of course, contractually obligated to say, you should subscribe to. But even if I was not contractually obligated. I would say I would someone who's script to it. Even if I was not an ESPN employees highly recommended to check it out great print content rate video contents while I watch the FA Cup last week because of plus really enjoyed it. So we have more audio coming next week. 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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 530: Are the Cards Shopping Rosen (3-6-2019)

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 530: Are the Cards Shopping Rosen (3-6-2019)

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We have the 'Antonio Brown sweepstakes. That's kind of what it's call and kind of make sense. And we have some candidates that we thought were the ones that are going to be the front runners to acquire in Tokyo Brown, but they are actually now out of the sweepstakes. If you will. We also have new freed available making this free agent offseason. A lot of safe to be a big safety offseason for sure. And as well, we have some NBA news regarding the Celtics and the warriors. And of course, a surprising forty point performance by men fits grizzly. We'll talk about that as well. And of course, the title of this episode is. Basically what the main story is there's confirmation that from another team. This is by. Schwartz from the NFL network. That says there's a confirmation from another team. So this isn't the cardinals organization. This is another team confirming this, so I'm not sure how they can confirm this. Maybe they were at talked about it with the cardinals organization of nine entirely. Sure. But they said they are shopping. Josh Rosen the former number one pickup number one excuse me last year's pig for the cardinals. I twelve last year. And so with that being said, it's still it's still Non-confirmed by the actual cardinals organization. I don't think they'll actually confirm it. Until like we hear an actual offer to the team from another team. I mean, it's unknown. What this who this other team is? I think they wanted to keep themselves non Mus since I have they do not have any wording on who the actual teen is that confirm this. But what I see mainly here is Calum Murray is gonna go number one. If this is the truth. And if Collin Murray goes number one, if this is what happens, then would you consider Josh Rosen DVR already a draft bust because that's an interesting question to think about because what is the definition of a giraffe bus someone that does not. Someone that is not go to contribute. Well, or just disappoint with the team. He gets drafted by or is it just in general his career is a bust. His career is not. How a first round pick should have been. But the thing is if he goes through another team plays. Well, like, let's just say he starts for that team where he gets traded to if he does get traded if he is getting shop that is. And he becomes a first team all pro quarterback. Just example, does that make him no longer draft bust or does that still or is like draft bus based off the team? He's drafted by. That's the question. I'm trying to get answered. Because of the fact he's playing well with another team just in this hypothetical scenario does that like, I guess he's on draft. Plus, they're all he's not like a free agent bus there, obviously. Because there's also free agent bus where you sign a guy to a big time contract. Albert Haynes words to the Redskins. And he does nothing he could tributes virtually nothing. And I mean, if you look at the Albert Haynes earth one hundred million dollar contract he signed with the Redskins just look at his. He barely practice. He decided when he did sprints or when he did he basically declined to do the fitness test or or whatever that was in the practice, and he just kinda quit on. He just was very lazy player with the Washington Redskins. And so just moving on from that. If Josh Rosen does get traded for anything, I'm assuming they could probably get a first round pick for them. Just because he's a first round pick. They're probably the thing is I don't know who would exchange a first round pick for Josh Rosen. I'm not saying that Josh Rosen's bat, I still think he has an opportunity to do actually pretty well when it comes down the NFL PA it's only been one season and the one season he's had it's with a very bad team. I mean, the number one overall pick for a reason, but you don't you can't put all the blame on their failures on him. First of all I've said this many times in podcast before the offense, elaine's terrible. That offense align is just paper and people just go right through that. And Josh Rosen hiking one soon as he gets the snap regardless of its shotgun or three step drop. He's running for his life. And I don't care who you. Yeah. Even like, Michael Vick might be the best case scenario if in his prime if you have that kind of offense align because he's so good at he so avai sive and he's a run for his quarterback in meeting. Lamar jackson. I'd be a best suit for the cardinals in that circumstance. But then like Josh Rosen is not the kind of player, and it's not a bad thing. And so there's different types of quarterbacks obviously and just make making him scramble and then also his wide. He's receiving core. Ain't the best. I mean, he does have Larry fits jail. But let's face it. He's in his late thirties. He's at the end of his career. He's been playing since like two thousand four. And you can only do so much. He's a he's a playmaker. Still for sure he's still a valuable asset to there is on a cardinals very for shale that is. But you he needs help on the opposite side of the on this with the slot receiver or the like the three rec- or the to receiver. He needs help. And he doesn't have the help. Titan is I don't even know who they're like, they're tight end is an unknown. Basically he doesn't really get the job done on the passing game. And it just seems to me that this is just all leading to wise Rosen giving the blame for the horrible offense. The cardinals had B is it's on his fault. It's you can. Okay. You put a little bit of the blame frisky passes interceptions. Sometimes bad decisions yada, yada, yada. But. You can't put all of that on him. And the thing that you instantly. This is like an instant regret thing. This is like having order envy at a restaurant. You order something like all this could be so good. And then she someone else's plate at the other table and go oh that looks much better. I'm gonna I'm gonna all I want that now and just throw away your plating asked for a new one as for that order. Can't really do that in the NFL. But what seems to be happening is they see Calum Murray as. A franchise quarterback rather more than Josh Rosen as a franchise quarterback or they just they can also see him mainly just more marketable than Josh Rosen, which is true. Like, he can definitely be more marketable than Josh Rosen. I'm not taking anything Josh Rosen Heisman Trophy winner. Number one. Overall, pick is a little more of a draw in theory, then the tenth eleventh pick in the draft. Who was supposed to go number one overall in some mock drafts and just dropped in entire ten spots. Which is a disappointment in itself. So with that being said, I think the main question is who's going to be the main team that's going to be looking at Josh Rosen as a quarterback. Well, it seems like the there is some rumors going around also that there is the giants being interested. Right now. It's sprint. You can lease the Samsung galaxy S nine for just five dollars a month with sprintflex lease galaxy S nine is incredible phone, it takes super slow MO video and instantly translates foreign language signs menus maps in more. Lease your galaxy S nine for just five dollars a month today. Visit sprint stores sprint dot com. Or call eight hundred sprint one phone five dollars per month after twenty dollars per month. Credit applied within two bills. Cancel early remaining. Balance requires new line in eighteen months weeks. Excludes tax subject to credit thirty dollar activating. PD restrictions apply. Right now sprint you can lease the Samsung galaxy S nine for just five dollars a month with sprintflex lease galaxy S nine is incredible phone, it takes super slow MO video and instantly translates foreign language signs menus maps in more. 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And so with Josh Rosen already having a year under his belt giving him a year off might benefit him in the long run. If he does go to the giants. But the question is what are the giants? Giving up a second round pick a third round pick a conditional fifth. Like, what are you doing? Because you're obviously not trading. You're first round pick, which is the. Fifth pick in the draft with the team that has the first pick in the draft. But again that fifth pick could they plan to get a quarterback between Haskins that is supposed to be. I haven't seen anything else. I've seen offensive tackle John Williams being in their mock draft. I've seen Tron Gerry in their mock draft I've seen somethings. But I mainly seen doing Haskins as the quarterback taken for the New York Giants, and that's just their future him in Barclay in the backfield and building around those two, which is which is a great idea in theory. Like have like I said have him sit out a year behind you lie. Manning, maybe not in a mentor state in general, but showing overall that. When you're looking at your future, having a very young and berry, very talented, a very special player and saquon Barkley as a running back and a very talented quarterback and doing Haskins at under center. I mean that you can build a team around that you could build a franchise around those guys get them an offense align give them a receiving core. I mean, you have ODA Beckham junior there. But with all the rumors of him being shopped as well who knows if he's giving it a b there by the next season by the beginning of next season. Which is August. We'll say we'll sue if he's even there by August. We'll see but. Regardless. I think it's more along the lines of going to going through all these motions and going to find. The thing is if they go Josh Rosen they could build around him and have him you're off and keep he had a year to start. He did terrible. Not as fall like I said have them go a year under Eli. And then go because I've seen as like this is seems like LA's last year. Now at this isn't he lies last year? Then I think it's they should just cut ties with them because allies just he's not good. This is face it. He's at a point where his he's at an old age. I mean, let's see he was drafted number one in two thousand four it's been fifteen years roughly, and like, I know Brady's been around longer. But Brady's is. Well, this face it Braise been aging like fine wine while Manning's been aging like milk except for two seasons where he won a Super Bowl. And let's face it to them seven could have been a fluke run in theory. They. Kinda got lucky with the whole David Tyree catch. But manning did get out of a multiple sacks in that place. I'm not taking anything from him. They did win that one. But in twenty eleven if it wasn't for Kyle Williams fumbling the ball twice on the ponts in the super in the NFC championship game when they were playing the forty Niners. Then who knows what would have happened. So you can easily take away one of those Super Bowls when you're thinking about what if scenarios? So with that being said, I would definitely say ally. Manning, maybe we should call it a career after this season. It sounds like they're gonna keep him. But the most I give him his two years tops. I think he doesn't need any more years. Plus he's one of the wealthiest quarterbacks in the league. So it's not that it's not about the money. Obviously, he's got a Super Bowls. He's basically edged in the hall of fame already. So he's he's just on borrowed time. Honestly. So that's just my opinion, and my guess on how that's gonna go and with that being said. If they do go for Josh Rosen is he just as valuable as a Dwayne Haskins getting drafted by a Dwayne Haskins being drafted, and if that's the case in if that was their plan signing or drafting excuse me in the first round Dwayne Haskins out of Ohio State does that mean they're willing to trade the first round pick for Josh Rosen. I honestly don't know there's different key factors in this. Or what would you get rid of? What would you trade for Josh Rosen second round pick third round pick? That's the question. Like if they are shopping for Josh Rosen, if he is available in a trade, what are you giving up for them? What are the cards even thinking about offering or getting for him? Because are they thinking they could get a first round pick from or are they thinking they can just get maybe multiple second third round picks. Maybe a fourth in there too. Like just something a Bill. Build up the build a build up a team around column. Mery who sounds like he's gonna be drafted one. If Josh Rosen is being shopped. There's like all these different options of what's actually going to go down. And it sounds like to me the New York Giants for the best are the ones that are going to be the main fit for Josh Rosen. I really don't see where else he could be traded where he could shine. Maybe just maybe the patriots because it's mock drafts also have them taken a quarterback with the last pick that could be a Jew locker Daniel Jones, one of those two July actually seems to be the third quarterback taken out of the out of the four that are like the main ones vailable. So is sounds like to me that. It sounds like to me that Daniel Jones is going to end up a patriot in many mock drafts. So that's one thing. But I would not be surprised if the patriots did trade for Josh Rosen and make him the backup for Tom Brady. I know Tom raise got a couple of years left in him. But he's basically going to be Jimmy Garoppolo because they had they drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. I believe in the second third round something of that nature, and he was supposed to be the future quarterback for the patriots. When that time came. So are they going to think about maybe we should trade for Josh Rosen guy? That's already had a year in the NFL starter was very bad. Not his mainly. Nice while he had a bad team around him. We can groom him underneath Brady. We can have Bella check work for work with him. And he could be our next franchise quarterback. But again, there's options for the patriots in that circumstance when you have a very fresh class of quarterbacks four of them, you're probably gonna get one of them. Obviously, not I'm not obviously not column Murray. I think he's ruled out because they have the thirty second pick unless they trade up to the second pick or or the tram trying to get the first pick which I think is impossible. And then you take out doing Haskins who seems like the second best quarterback available in the draft by a lot of people. So that's gone. So it's all based on like who's good drop more drew lock or Daniel Jones, Duke or Missouri. You know, that's the age old question. What's gonna happen? But are they going to say, you know, we don't really wanna risk or maybe we wanna drive someone that can help us win. Now while Brady's still here instead of his replacement. So we'll trade for a replacement for the future. So he can see underneath him and basically have him as quarterback for the future without whisk and draft wasting a first round draft pick on them. I don't know what the actual scenario is. But that's just there's a lot of different options. And every option I can think of for Josh Rosen. He's not going to be a starter. If he's traded because no team is going to risk trading. Whatever they're asking for the cardinals wise to make him the starting quarterback right away. I don't see Jacksonville doing that. I don't see Miami doing that. Because it sounds like they need a quarterback too because running Tanny hills as good as gone. I don't see let's see who else needs a quarterback. I mean, you can maybe see the raiders involve in like a backup for Derek Carr and a sense in a theory. But I don't know. I'm just thinking of random scenarios that could work in this situation. But again, this is a very this is I even confirmed by the cardinals themselves. I don't think he'll actually we confirmed by them at all. I think if he was going to be confirmed. They'll be like we have a trade. They'll will they'll announce it when they officially have a trade for Josh Rosen. That's when they will announce it. If that's even the case, we really don't know what the case is. But regardless we have a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to that. And then you look at an Tonio Brown situation. But speaking of that we are going to take a short break. And when we come back we will be talking about Antonio Brown situation as we had some quote unquote favorites that take him have are now out of the sweepstakes for Antonio Brown. And we have some new ones in there. I believe and it is a whole different scenario. We have really don't know where he's going to be ending up. And it might be happening sooner rather than later. So we'll get right on that. When we return. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry, it's pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. 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If that's the case going up to calamari that just a foregone conclusion so moving on from that we have to talk in Tonio Branagan because what the Steelers have been saying is they're looking to move him relatively soon. They're looking to do this as quickly as possible there like saying get your deals in? Now, we want to get this done. We want to get this moving. So it seems like when the league official the next season officially begins on Wednesday next Wednesday. So we have seven days. We it seems to me that in Tokyo Brown on that day on Wednesday. This is just a prediction this isn't like confirmation or anything that he's going to be dealt by Wednesday. And when I say Wednesday like it just seems like the Steelers want to get this done as fast as possible rip it off like a band aid and move on. Because this just seems to be a huge just this is all the news has been the Steelers have been in the news. Well, I wouldn't say negatively I feel like that's a little harsh. But I will definitely say they're in the news for the wrong reasons. They don't want to be in. And when I mean by that is they're not getting quality players. They're losing a star a franchise player franchise wide receiver franchise running back in the span of a week. They're gonna lose both of them. Well, let me on bill's gone. That's first and foremost Levy on bell is Bob I see later. He's probably gonna be a jet not the actual gang like in west. Side story. But I was personally loved to see Levy on and a leather jacket doing this naps in like a jet. I would think that would be hilarious. But besides that. Where in Tonio Brown's gonna go as a mystery? Because the two teams that I on us. He thought he would go to the jets and the cardinals have both. Are both out there. It's reported that they're both out of the sweepstakes for Tony O'Brien. And they're not gonna make a trait or they're not gonna make a massive deal for them. So. The jets had the opportunity to drap their traffic is me to sign levian Bill, which they still can do and trade for Antonio Brown. They could have to the best Steelers on their team. Maybe they're just have one which is fine. Which would make Sam darnold. Look so much better. Because not only will he have a great to way running back and where he can catch the ball as well as run the ball in lithium bell who can easily get thousand thousand season. He'll also take care of Antonio Brown. Who if he needs to throw the ball div? He's I think he's got the armed Ford kin get the ball to Antonio Brown and he can have a huge season himself on the receiving game. I can see Twenty-one having more than ten touchdowns receptions in this season. I can see Levy on bell getting three or four touchdown receptions this season. Maybe even more. I could see this as a major like obviously getting Bolton. A major addition just based off of the facts that they're both the arguably the best position live bells question Mark just because he's been gone for so long. I get that. But with that I do have. To add if the jets don't get lemme on Bill because they already seem like they're not getting in Tonio Brown it. That's what's ported at least if they're not getting in Tonio Brown. And they don't get living on bell. Is this a failure for the New York New for the New York Jets this off season? I would say, yes. Busy of tons of cap space, one of the highest and you don't get the best running back in the free agent market who you're heavily favored to get. And you could have given a very good trade offer to the Steelers, which they would probably take and you would get in Tonio Brown as well you can afford both those contracts like a team can have to twenty million dollar contracts. It's still be able to do some other stuff on the siding build around those guys because you have a quarterback in a rookie contract. And you've got a very young talented defense that can only get better. So and you have your to quote, unquote, max deals, there are obvious in a max deals, but you know, what I mean, just like you're too high paid twenty million plus dollar contracts with Le vian Bill. Antonio Brown, you can win games. You can win the division in theory. You have you're going to be. A thorn in the patriots side in the AFC east. If you manage to get these two players and make Sam darnold look like a superstar because he has so much talent around him. But again, this is one of those things we're looking at it. And this is a NFL Madden or Madden NFL scenarios where it's like, oh, I'm just going to force a trade again until you know, Brown, and I'm gonna give Levy on Bill this when he'd be is I turn off the salary cap and franchise vote. But the thing is even if there's even with the salary cap, they still have a lot of money, and they can totally afford Levy Bill. I think they're gonna pull that one off the probably gonna give them roughly eighteen nineteen maybe even up to twenty twenty one million dollars a year they can afford it and they could afford Tonio Brown's contract as well. If he they go for the trait, but it looks like they're not going for the trade. So I see this as a huge missed opportunity for the New York Jets. But if they get love your Bill, I ain't complaining I wouldn't be complaining if I'm a jet fan or just part of the jets organization because just getting one of those playmakers. One of those guys you can build a franchise around is a huge addition to your team and a poss- possible. I'm not gonna say it guaranteed, but a possible threat to the New England Patriots ABC's dominance. So with that being said the other team that actually is out of the sweepstakes is the cardinals. And with the cardinals which seems like they're shopping for Josh Rosen. If they were gonna collar Murray who can throw the ball deep would have been a great combination within Tony Brown. So that is also a missed opportunity, but there, but if I'm the Steelers, I'm assuming this is just an assumption or a guess or a theory a prediction now, so something something along the lines of it's not one hundred percent, obviously. But if they were talking with the Steelers the cardinals at his I I can almost guarantee you that they were asking for the number one overall pick. And of course, the cardinals were like get out of here. No way. And they're probably saying, okay. How about next year's pick? Well, we're still in the mode. So no that's going to be a high pick most likely, we're guardless. We've we haven't Tonio Brown because they're rebuilding periods. Probably at three to four year three to four year playing and they're not going to be a great team. So. So they're probably going to be in the top ten at I would say from five to ten if they hadn't Tonio Brown, but without into Neo braille. And if they have Colin Murray is still think of them from one to ten is still very big possibility in one to five is a bigger possibility. So with that being said, I do assume that the cardinals were given were asked to give up a high draft pick the number one pick next year this year or the next for Trump next year. And they were just like we cannot afford to lose those picks those are two valuable even foreign Tonio Brown. So we can't do that. So the other teams that are just so many different other teams like the raiders are still involved less time. I checked the forty Niners are one of those teams. I'm really, but the thing is. The Steelers feel like they're in a rush. I honestly feel like this dealers are zoom sort of weird rush. They're like they're quote give their best. Give your best offers ASAP. That's that's like a report that they said to give to their owners and gentleman enters a different teams because I don't think rushing. This is a very good idea. I understand rushing to get this over with and move on. I get that part. Don't get me wrong. But I do see it becoming. Oh, we gotta get rid of them fast as possible and making a mistake. And when I mean making a mistake, I mean like trading just because you're desperate to get rid of them. And you trade for something for quote pennies on the dollar. And not getting the right? Change back if you will for Antonio Brown. So there's a big risk in there. And what you're gonna do for that situation. But that's just the newsroom Tonio Brown sweepstakes, so far probably get more information tomorrow Friday, obviously before next Wednesday. So we got seven days four league officially starts. And we'll see how that goes down. But moving onto more off-season moves the ravens surprise and cut Eric whittle, and they sign onto a big deal after he let the San Diego Chargers when they were saying ego and became the LA chargers. He did not want to go to LA. He wanted to move on which makes sense. So cutting wiggle is actually quite a surprise. I thought they would he would finish his career in Baltimore. He I mean, he's had some blunders like you see him getting slower and slower at the safety position. And yet there are some natives, but there's still a lot of positives here. He's still very good quality safety. But him getting into free agency as to the list of very talented safeties that are available in the in this off season. We have Landon Collins who's probably not gonna be franchise tag. So he's good. He's a ninety nine percent chance. He's going to be a free agent. We got Matthew Honey badger who's a free agent. We have. Errol Thomas, probably the most notable free agent in the safety class. If you will. And just what those three guys alone. That's extreme talent right there. So with that being said. Who's get like? Is is is teams? Get a go mainly like, okay. We're gonna go after Earl Thomas, I if he doesn't take our offer we're going to go after Eric whittle or Matthew. And if we don't get him, then we go after widowed and so on and so forth. Like is there a three step plan? And like, okay, first choice doesn't work we go second choice. If that doesn't work real third choice is that the plan now for a lot of these teams looking for safety's because a lot of teams need safeties obviously needs three in these three. There's I think there's more. Miming? Landon Collins Eric whittle or old Thomas and the Honey veterans so four to this four very good quality safeties that can really boost the team's defense. But the question is what are they going to be asking for? I don't think what is going to be asking for a lot of money. Landon collins. That's a good possibility. Ask a lot of money. Earl Thomas might be asking for a good a pretty lengthy deal money, money wise, maybe not length maybe like two three year contract. Maybe five six million a year. I just this is all guessing. And then there's the Honey badger is probably looking for a long term contract for a lot of money because he's been playing pretty well and Houston, so it does kind of earn it in a theory. But that's all up to anyone else sees it. But when it comes down to it. This. There's a lot of very talented free agents, not just in the safety department. But just the just a taste of what else is available, obviously. But regardless I think there is a fact that, you know, those four players are going to be very highly touted as or just hot commodities in the free agent class, and it's like you're at a shopping mall, and you see a big sale and stuff you like they're going to be the four items. So you're like, Ooh, I got at least one of those, you know, that's kind of how this situation's going. 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But regardless and then to markets cousins get so pushing everybody around puts like three different guys, which was unnecessary. He got he was back to his upsetting ways. And like like he was over five from three he was four from twelve from the field, which is a lot of inside stuff. So he just disappointed curry had twenty three points. Four of ten from threes. He disappointed Kevin Durant with over five from threes. Everyone that shoots res didn't make threes and everyone disappointed on the warriors side. Then just getting under one hundred points is shocking enough. But then just losing by that much is absurd in a way where everyone's hoping that this is the end of the air. But of fortunately, it's not gonna be this is just a minor step back. And with that being said, I think this is just a hiccup in the era of the warriors franchise era. Voyeurs dynasty if you will. So with that being said. I think that obviously the warriors are good to be. Moving on from this game, not letting affect them. And just. Both still being first in the Western Conference, obviously. And, you know, pay to say it's still for haters the warriors, but they're probably still going to go back to the finals. This is just a minor hiccup in their season. But this is huge for the. Mrs us for the Celtics because they've been kind of lackluster recently unmotivated feels like just looks like suffers going downhill, but this huge win against the best team in the NBA really shows that this team still has a lot of town on it. And it still has a lot of fight left in it. And this team can still be dangerous foe when it comes to the western or Eastern Conference excuse me. And with this win are I guess they kind of moved down to fifth place last time I checked but with this win they are still in fifth. And this is drop down a five, but you know, it just one of those things where I think we're headed Philadelphia, but Philadelphia now ahead of them it's kind of a back and forth there, but they're still eight games ahead of Detroit. So they're fine for the time being. You should just honestly they should just say the bucks the rafters Pacers. Seventy Sixers and the Celtics all clinched playoff spot. Mrs no way. Those guys are coming back. And then you look at the Western Conference. I mean. Everyone's close man from okay. That's a good first place the warriors or forty four wins even with their loss. I mean, they have twenty losses on the season. You wouldn't think get twenty losses this season? But hey, that's still pretty good record. Eighth? Best is thirty six. They're not even ten games ahead of the eighth place last place seed in the Western Conference for the playoffs. I mean, we have three different teams in the play in the conquest or conference right now with identical records, Houston, Oklahoma City, and Portland all have thirty nine wins. Twenty five losses. Houston's on a cyst game winning streak. That's when they moved up to third seed, they're kind of in the rankings at the moment there up above them. I think I maybe some strength schedule or I'm not sure exact- maybe series wins against certain teams. But then you look at the top bottom three Utah, the clippers and San Antonio thirty six wins for Utah between seven losses. That's why they're head of the clippers who have thirty seven wins, but twenty nine losses, and then you have the Antonis I who's a game behind them at thirty six and twenty nine and then not too far behind the Spurs. You have Sacramento with four not. Like four about three and a half four games behind them with thirty two and thirty one. And then of course, with Minnesota in LA having the same record at thirty and thirty four in the Lakers having I believe it's one point one percent chance of making the playoffs. It seems like that's done for. So there is a lot of doubt with that team, obviously. So with that being said. I just don't really see. Lakers timber was in the running at all. And I think everyone else agrees because it just seems like this is good as over it. Really? Just seems like this is the end, you know. It's just weird thing. The Browns Heike being a playoffs. Like is this like, I don't want to say it. But is this the moment where we say this is the bronze career ends not like legitimately. But just in general of like is this where the downhill slide comes from where he has to admit that he's old and it's time to quit. Obviously, I still think he has a lot left in the tank. I do at least he still the one of the best players the best player in the NBA. But I don't I think he has to maybe admit after this after this unsuccessful season, I'll say that nicely. That he can't carry a team to play offs anymore. And I think he realizes just how tough the western conference's compared to what he went through in the Eastern Conference. He kind of had a breeze through the Eastern Conference with. With ease based the just less. It's less talented. Let's just be honest. And when you're in a tough tougher conference, you got to it's just a different scenario into. Maybe. That's the reason these dropped busy underestimated the Western Conference, and maybe thought he was wrong. So with that being said one more thing for you in the show Bryce Harper during his. Conference. Introducing him to the Phillies. He said ran title right here in DC. Wait. Did he say? He knows he's not part of the nationals anymore. Right. I don't think he's taken he's on someone else's team. I don't do. They do. They drug him. Did he do they do? They trick him Jedi mind trick to signing with Phillies. I don't know, dude. But in series this just a little blender for him and not a good start for the franchise player for the Phillies. Oh for sure. And he says he wants to bring in Mike trout. So that's going to be an interesting scenario to say the least. But I think that should be our show for the day. A one more thing to add Real Madrid. Go a little bit of soccer here Real Madrid who have won last three Champions League titles. I've lost in the in the round of sixteen to acts which is insane. I think about like usually when you see a team flus championship run like that. It's in the finals or the semifinals or something of that nature ballooning and like the round sixteen which is basically like the second round in the NCAA tournament. If you want us as an example, that's a huge disappointment. And of course, losing Cristiano Renaldo is one of those parts where that does affect them. Obviously, he's the best score in the world to that makes sense. So it just shows that how much of a loss Rinaldo really is. But that is our show for today. Thank you so much joining me and Tunis in Amaro, we'll have more stuff to talk about and as always on Jeff Mallon off. And I'll see you next time. You've been listening to the Golden State media. Concepts sports podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others liken at WWW. Jesus MC podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes, Stitcher. Soundcloud and Google play this type in GS MC to find all the shows from the Golden State media concepts podcast network from movies to music from sports entertainment. And even weird news. You can also follow us on Twitter and on Facebook. Thank you. And we hope you have enjoyed today's program. Right now. It's sprint. 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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 529: Franchise Tag Galore (3-5-2019)

GSMC Sports Podcast

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 529: Franchise Tag Galore (3-5-2019)

"This is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports, the Golden State media concepts or podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA to MMA? It's all in here. The Golden State media concepts sports Bod cast, listen. Hello and welcome. The GSM see sports podcast brought to you by the GSM podcast network. I'm your hoses. Always Jeff Mellon off. We got some stuff on the agenda. Today. We got some more newsmen Antonio Brown. And whether teams are really interested in not who the three teams, our I interested will find out who those are as well as some upsets in the world of basketball as well as more drama, not just in LA. But also in the city of Boston. We'll get on that as well. And of course, we've had multiple franchise tag has the franchise tag deadline ends today. So we will hopefully get some more as the show progresses. But I wanted to talk first things first the Denver Broncos have said publicly that they have are not one of the three teams that are contacted the Steelers about Antonio Brown, contrary to the reports. That it was them as was cardinals. And the raiders. So with that being said, I think I said yesterday, but I'll say it again, the if any of those three teams was the best fit for Antonio Brown. It was the Broncos as I I Jon Gruden is a guy that likes to run the ball in his power runner. Type guy needs a old school tapa guy. He doesn't. I mean, he's maybe he's getting adapting to the passing game. I'm not sure. But I just feel like Antonio Bryant went up a utilized as much when it comes to the raiders offense just do too. I just do. History of Jon Gruden. He loves his power backs and stuff like that. As for the cardinals. Josh Rosen can throw the ball deep. And that's that's interesting Brown's better butters getting deep in getting open deep down the field. And Josh Rosen doesn't really have that arm inaccuracy for that circumstance. So that's something to think about and then you look at the Broncos, and they have Joe flacco who can only throw the ball deep really in. In hindsight because he has that huge cannon. Accuracy can be a little off at times, but he's still has a huge. And that would be perfect for Antonio Brown bears unions toward up there fifty yards to them and eat. He could probably get an eight times out of ten honestly. So with that being said if it really is not the Broncos. I don't like the other two options for Antonio Brown. Personally. And then the the basically I think the three official the three official teams that were announced as the contact to in Tokyo Brown have been the raiders the Redskins in the titans if I'm not mistaken. Yes. Even the titans have their stake in claiming it, and I would understand why they times will go into the only had like what seven receiving touchdowns this last previous season. Or one of our is know for fact, they are one of the lowest team the team with the least amount of touchdowns by a wide receiver. So adding a guy who ties the league leading receiving touchdowns would be a huge help for not just tines, but from ARGUS Marietta as well to keep his job to be honest with you because honestly everyone's saying that Marcus mariota is on thin ice there. And I would happen to agree. That is a. A story going out and just a concern for the titans. Like are they gonna move on from him or they keep him? This story there is unclear but adding Antonio Brown, if they do manage that I will say the most interesting aspect of that would have to be. They would probably give Marcus mariota another year another opportunity to see what he can do with one of the best riders see risen the game. If he can't if he can't do it. Then if he struggles, then then, you know, it's time to move on for him from him. So that makes sense if they get into Neo Brown and giving Marcus merit another shot and then as for the Redskins. Another. Another kind of concern if Anthony Brown manages to be traded there. They don't have a quarterback at the moment. I don't know where they're going to end up free-agent wise or they're going to draft one. I'm not entirely sure what their plan is. But with the question at the quarterback position. I don't think that will be the best place for Antonio Brown. So obviously, that's just a huge concern. Like, we is the big question Mark who who's going to be thrown in the ball is if you don't know that there's throwing the ball. How do you know he's gonna be he's six get a succeed at least in this new team. I mean Graentiz one of those guys that can make any quarterback look good. But there's gotta be a limit to what you can really do with little talent at the quarterback position. And then the last, but not least the raiders would dare car. Now, I already semi piece about the raiders in how Jon Gruden is more of a power running back pounding the rock kind of guy. So I just think the raiders are not the best but for in Tonio Brown in general. That's just my take on it. So with that being said, there's still a lot of unanswered questions. We're in Tokyo Brown will go. He's probably going to be dealt this month. And sounds like it's a may not maybe not a foregone conclusion per se. But definitely a most likely possibility. Just that's what everyone that's the reports are saying, that's what people are most likely looking at and. One of the most likely contestants. If you will for Antonio is getting tense is contestants through word or is it? The most like glee. What's the word would be good night contestant? But. The most likely. Pursuer of Antonio Brown. There is the word pursuer if that's a word, hopefully, it is pursuer for. Antonio Brown would be the forty Niners, and they have not contacted no-one from the Niners organization has reportedly talked to the Steelers about it. So with that being said looks like he's not going to be going to the forty Niners. At least at this moment in time. And that's where a lot of people said he was gonna go in Photoshop humans sort of picture on his Instagram of him Photoshop ING himself with the forty Niners jersey. So it's not like that was a big that was a Odysseus little rumor, it seemed like that's where he wanted to go. And that seemed like we're the forty Niners. We're going to push for them. But regardless he there was the main three teams at a talked to him the titans the raiders and the Redskins. To NFC and one AFC team. Obviously they're going to go with the best offer possible. And if I know the Redskins, and I know Dan Snyder who overpays a lot of people in the free agent market. He's been absolutely known for that. I mean, look in the year two thousand he got Bruce Smith and Dion Sanders like the infamous quote from that is like in two thousand he got the nine hundred ninety two all pro team. But again, it was the year two thousand dollars eight years ago. So that was passed the time where you shoulda went for them. He was just getting big names and they didn't pan out. And I mean, he signed Atta March Leto, she Santa Marshall Etta. What else who else did he sign Albert Hanes worth that infamous hundred million dollar contract that got him legitimately nothing. We'll not zooming nothing as in. He he had the the worst work ethic anyone's ever seen. So I mean that just shows you how disappointing he was with that organization with huge contract. He got. So with that being said. The Redskins are that type of team that would trade away their future for Antonio Brown. And that in general is basically what I'm predicting I've assuming they're going to try to oversell or over pay for Antonio Brown not in pay and actual money because they will do that virtually, but they will trade like maybe even multiple first round picks for him. Because of the fact that. They just they just are known for this. They're known for over overdoing. Remember, they traded a bunch the Redskins traded a king's ransom. If you will for that number two pick to get. To get RG three back in the day. And at first it worked out they made the playoffs his rookie year needed. Great. But then then they overrode him. They overplayed him any kind of crumbled in his knee injuries and all that stuff for themselves. And then the whole weird obsession by Dan signer to force the team to play him and stuff like this. It was it was all weird weird circumstance for sure based off the whole situation. And with that being said. Antonio Brown's feature team for next season is still a huge question. Mark. And I really don't know where he's most likely to go because it's only up to the Steelers wherein Tony Brown in Tokyo Brown's future lies, and again, it's being streaming. Interesting to see what that with that. How that happens in? How will be accepted vice team future, Tim me's? And all this other things just there's a lot of different aspects. People aren't really looking at overall based on the fact that. He kind of had some problems with his with with the Steelers teammates. I mean, better office burger, he's kind of already signed off on him bay specially. And is he going to have those same problems with his new team? Let's face it, probably not. But that's still something to think about because. I mean, he's kind of let's be honest. He's kind of all title, and he's an unbelievable player. I'm not taking that away from at all. But I think that some concern with some teams that he's a little bit of a head case little bit of a drama Queen. But he he really makes it up for it on the field and how he plays there. But again, this is so like it's like it's a gamble for. Sure base off just his. I don't know if the egos right word or just his. I think that just like he's has promised teams in the past. So it just like it's known to be a fact, so we'll see where he ends up. I'm really looking forward to win. All this is actually gonna go down or allowed to go down the season officially begins in a couple of weeks. Or maybe next isn't next week at is next week. Isn't it next week is when the season officially begins and all this free agency stuff. It's going to go down. And all this trading is going to go down. It's very exciting time for sure, and you gotta love it. This is what you got alot about sports in general. It's just like winning look at the offseason a lot of people are like just had the season star ready. But when we look at what the NFL in general just the NFL by itself, they are the one of the most they're probably the most entertaining off season in sports. I would say basketball is up there as well. But they're more of a trade deadline thing like much like baseball. And for that. I say baseball really needs to step up their offseason. We already went through that countless times of how that's broken. But regardless we will move on from that. And we will take a short break. But when come back, we'll talk about the franchise tags and who actually got in the franchise tax who's who's franchise tagged. And when the in the deadline is today. So we'll see who maybe we'll see who ends up getting next franchise tag sooner rather than later, and we'll get right on that. When we return. Right now. It's sprint. 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The way you want it this show, sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit yes, MC podcast dot com. For more info. Welcome back to the GS emcees sports park has just finished up. Our talk about Antonio Brown his future and where it lies now. Let's get into the franchise. Tacking deadline is today. Four PM eastern time and gosh, I'm really bad at like time zones and stuff but see eastern time zone is three hours from Pacific time. So basically, we're looking at a one PM Pacific time deadline for the franchise tagging of the players. But we already have a pretty good amount of franchise tag that we kinda already expected, but you know, they still need to be talked about most notably the Dallas Cowboys have franchise tag, Marcus Lawrence, even and they've said that there is no there's no fast. There's no talk about along. Well, there is a long there's talk about a long term contract, but they're not close to a long term contract. So it seems to me that the market's Lawrence's could go down the path of levian bell. Where he's going to get franchise constantly. Until it's time to say, you know, what this time to move on. Or it's time to pay the man. So we'll see how democracy plays this season. And if he does play while he's probably gonna be franchise tag. Again. I'm pretty sure the limit is three or four times you can be franchise tagged. And then they have a serious decision to make in Dallas. What would pay him the big bucks or let him walk and save some money? Well, maybe saves money as a strong term because he is he's one of the best players at his position on the defensive side. So it's not like you're wasting money by paying that guy a lot because the fact how talented he is. But I don't know it just always seems big question Mark when it comes down to win guy gets franchise tag multiple times. Perfect example of EON bell. It usually ends with him being a free agent after the multiple franchise tags and finding big money somewhere else because the team other doesn't want to pay him or they're hesitant to pay him. Or they wanna pay him surmount money, but he doesn't want that much money. He doesn't want that low amount of money that key considers low and as for more money, and then that hole, then a whole dispute goes over it, then all that controversy breaks out. But regardless I do stink that dark Lawrence's. A huge addition to that defense. He's probably he's arguing he is their best defensive player. And I'm going to be honest with you, everyone says how good the Dallas Cowboys defense is I've always last couple years. I've thought of them as overrated, and I'll tell you why. One of the problems with the Jaguars defense this last year was because they're on the field way too long. And when you're on the field for an extended period of time unnecessary extended period of time, and I say that because Blake Bortles kept going three announcer interceptions. And they the Jaguars defense was just exhausted on the on the field, and they were good club sooner or later because they were on the field is so constantly throughout the game. With the Cowboys. However. When you look at Dak Prescott and exe- Elliott and even adding Amari Cooper to that they were getting first downs. They were extending their time of possession. They were getting the most the longest time of possession between the two teams during their games. That was that was a fact and with them on the field for fifteen minutes or twenty minutes in or even twenty five to thirty minutes. That's has much time as the defense gets a chance to rest and be fresh when they get back onto the field is these act opposite. When offense as abuse. They don't be cold. And they wanna be in a movement. So when your offense is executive especially with Ziegler Elliott who's running like five or six yards a carry and getting first downs after two three carries. And you're not worried about afford down as much, and of course, like I said like the and then Dak Prescott with his five yard Slann routes to Mark Hooper, for example, or the wherever else he's throwing to he's gained. Those first downs. Shorten steady wins the race in football on my mind. And when you're getting those five ten yard plays every two to two downs. Your defense is getting more rest. Your defense is getting more relaxed in bear able to make more bigger place when they hit the fuel because they're arrested because they're relaxed the Jaguars couldn't rest because every time they were sitting on the bench. They took one sip of their water, and like our take trying to get a breath and Bordeaux Susan interception or they go three and out and they had to go back onto the field after two to three minutes of break. And that's not enough for a defense. The defense really needs to. Have a break. The defense gets tired. It's not I'm not blaming that. How the defense played for the Jaguars lulls last season. Honestly, they're still an atop defense in my mind. It's just because they are continuously on the few longer than the off than the offense. Let them be because it's all up to the offense that time if there if they getting first downs. I if they get like ten to fifteen first downs a game that's huge for the defense to get more rest and more time to really well being big plays because you're fresh. You're you're not as exhausted. You're not getting those cramps. You're not getting one of these things or the other. You're not going. Oh, let's go back onto the field. You're not really to moralize because you just turn your offense. Just turn the ball over. Your enemies and set in where okay our team is playing well in the offense at side, they gave us like just literally just went on the field for five six minutes. Seven minutes. Maybe even more than that, depending. They Joe the ball down the field. And we're all ready to go to get that ball back to them and let them do their work again. But when your offense doesn't contribute and they're on the field for thirty to forty five seconds of of game time, not just like adding the huddle and stuff. Just actual sues to balls hiked to win the diplays down. Then you get you get frustrated, and that's what happened to the Jaguars. And the Dallas Cowboys were the exact opposite. They had Zeke Elliott running for multiple. I Townsend a game. They had dick Prescott. Sean throwing those short routes to Mark Hooper and Colby's to get those first downs and they needed to. They would get big plays and those big plays. What actually hype up the defense because the fact they scored on a big player or something like that? So what the Cowboys their defense relied on how productive their offense was. And that's that's just the case. When you have arguably the best running back in the NFL news peco Elliott and a not too shabby quarterback die Prescott who can get those accurate route passes down. You have a recipe for success on defense, regardless of the talent you have on defense because the town you have on defense is not that great on the Dallas cowboy side. I'm just being honest to ARGUS Lawrence is a whole endeavor subject. He's a moss. He's a beast. I'm not take. He's the best player on that team by far. But the rest of the defense is I would say average. Maybe a tad above average for some guys. But overall, I would say just average because of the fact they have they are rested. They are they're ready to play in a sense. Because the fact that there they've been waiting patiently for their team to finish up there. The hair drive in their drive last usually a long period of time. So it's more of a relaxing based for their defense rather than a frustrating immortalizing pace where they just their team. Just lost the ball from a careless turnover or something of that nature. And now they're playing in more of an angry fashion in a frustrated fashion rather than a were helping the team fashion. We're just we're on the field. Our team sucks kind of thing that just how I see how the defense is work when it comes down to a good quarterback in a bad quarterback and a good offense because you got to have an offense. Like if you're off. It's is on the field for in the game for ten or fifteen minutes time possession. Maybe fifteen and twenty your your defense is going to do better. If your team is on the few for three to four minutes a game. Your defense is gonna be exhausted. Your defense is gonna be on the feel way more than the offense is and that just leads to more mistakes that means or mental errors. It just leads to more failure. And honestly, you gotta put the defensive struggles on how the Jaguars played on the offense. And how on Blake Bortles? That's why they're gonna cut ties boils most likely, and they're they're going to go with Nick foles who they know can produce. But again, I said this last yesterday. We don't know this mental football podcast. I'm not sure, but I'm saying him being assisting weeks. He's in quarterback is still unknown to me. I know he's done. He's been started before. But his recent success has been in the short an shortened season. So seeing him in an extended season with a new team in a new offense. And all this kind of thing really puts into perspective. Like, this is where his he will be tested. The most. And that's that's just how I see it is. Because of the fact that your offense equals to a good defense. Because if you're off I mean, maybe that maybe that's a little strong, but a contributing offense a good offense that can get first downs in that can be on the feel for a longtime eagles degree defenses. That's just my take on it. Movie on from the Cowboys tag to the Texas tags af franchise tag clowney as well. They're former number one overall pick which is the smart move to keep him with JJ watt, which is probably was expected to he's been playing solid. He's been playing pretty darn well over the course of his couple years. He kinda start off a little rusty with his injuries concerns. But recently he's really stepped up his game and being a huge help with JJ one. And then t fence aside that helped him get to their record of last year wasn't believe it was lemon and five if I'm not mistaken, and so he's a serious contributed to that defense aside. And again that defense was good because of how good the offense was that's just again, my points being proven. And with that. Also, you got to look at. Are they going to sign him to a big deal is it when JJ wads most likely care ends in year or so I'm assuming if he's coming back this season after this season. He's going to franchise tag cloudy again, and they're just going to wait and into clown. He's done or not clowning JJ watt done, and they signed him to a massive deal or they're gonna give DeShaun Watson the massive deal because. It's just one of those facts of who you going to give the massive deal to once one year when your biggest massive deal JJ wa is gone in retired. Because I think he's on his last legs. He's been injury prone. He's got some things, but he's still solid player. No doubt about it. He gets the job done. So it's not like he's like just there to as an old guy in the way of another guy's opportunity. No, he's still playing a high level. It's JJ watt for crying out loud. But again like is it cloudy spin franchise tag? So he's going to stay there. And probably the Texas are the favorites to make it back to the playoffs. Maybe I won't say they're going to take the AFC south. I wouldn't say that I certain because the culture in it and at the Jaguars do acquire. Nick foles a guy who can get those first downs. Like, I said there will be a lot better. So there's going to be I think there's gonna be a team race for the AFC south. And you know, just looking at all three of those teams Jags and the Texans and the. Jaguars. Maybe the titans can pose off if they get in Tonio Brown, baby. I'll definitely put them in consideration. But right now, if I had to make a guess who like the toughest of vision is I think the AFC south is going to run a run for it. Because like, yeah, the NFC north is pretty competitive. I know Packers and lions are doing so. Well in the Vikings are pretty disappointing. The NFC south is always a competitive thing. But three of the teams had losing records last season. And if she south is kind of getting there with what the Rams Seahawks and maybe the forty Niners coming back up after losing Jimi grew up loaded getting him back next season. We'll see how they do in free agency. They they're of course to end their starting quarterback is healthy. So they might make some noise as well. So we'll see our anything turns out. But regardless this is all leading the like I said the Texans are still looking to regain some momentum in keeping their spot in the playoffs any spot as the champions of the south. They're looking to retain that title next. Of course. And then the next biggest one is the chiefs franchise checking Ford d Ford is obviously remembered last season for being the guy that was off sides during the game sealing interception. That. Well, the game sealing interception. He was offsides for which cost them that interception. So wasn't game sealing which led to the overtime loss to the New England Patriots, which led them to the flits led to the New England Patriots winning their six record six Super Bowl twice in three years. Now if that intercepts did actually happen and the cheese to going to the Super Bowl that'd be the first time since Super Bowl four they've been in the Super Bowl. So that would have been a that have been forty nine years of from one to the next for a one team. So maybe they'll make a next year. I mean, there's still very dominant powered offense. They're not losing anybody. And they're keeping Ford obviously in their franchise tag. So there's a lot of positive think of when it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs and them remaining the top of the AFC west. I think the raiders still need a lot of work before they can be up there and charters are still formidable foe. But with their controversial defensive scheme against the patriots really shows that this team still has a lot of flaws, and are maybe a one dimensional type team or one I one a single minded type coached single-mindedly and not thinking about like, oh, this is worth this is to work. Elsewhere. That's kinda. Like feels like their head coaches mindset. So we'll see how the chargers rebound from very disappointing divisional round match against the patriots without effective in the future. Maybe it's a possibility. But again, we'll see how everything turns out. But it still seems like the west still belongs to the chiefs at the moment. But with that we're gonna take another short break. And when we come back with some basketball and an upset that happened in basketball as well as more controversy in drama in the locker room, but not with the lake. Just Lakers is with someone else in his city of Boston. We'll be right back right after this. 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Like, you got all the like ice on his on his like mustache and Slavic that I think it under movie, I think I am. But that was March second it was between the Colorado Rapids and the. Well, yeah, it was just about it was the game in Colorado, the Colorado Rapids and just flakes of snow just fallen on the ground, and everyone just looks like they're just freezing their tails off out there. And so if you want to check this out, go to Colorado, Rapids, Instagram, just Kara Rapids, and you'll see all you probably see it elsewhere too. But you'll see the referee with his eyebrows. His eyebrows frosted his entire hairs white of snow and frost. He looks like he's aging like rapidly. You know, when like those movies where they rapidly age your hair turns grey and losing it. It looks a lot like that. It looks like straight from like a movie were the the villain try to take the essence of people to be young again. It'd be in his prime, and it's starting to be the reverse process. He's failing at it. And he's growing older and older as it's continuing. I know that's released Pacific. But that's just how I see it. That's how I think about it. Because I love stuff like that where they're like. Oh, my plan didn't work. What are the odds, you know, but moving on from that to be moving on from that to basketball? We have some interesting news not about the Lakers because that we thought that would be all that is left. But there's still more to come from that don't worry. But. Movie on from just continue the Boston Celtics have their own little problems. And here's what I mean ever since the news about or the rumors that is of Kyrie Irving being heading off to New York when he's a free agent, and you got upset by that. He's been very distant from everybody else in the league are on his team excuse me in where like people said, he's disengaged. He's distant for the players except for Tatum who they have the same agent. So it's kinda different there. But the fact is he wanted to be a leader of a team. Then he does the phone call. Lebron to apologize for his just just how he acted. And now, the disengagement and the hating the fact that people are talking about him in New York, and then all this happening. It makes me feel like it's all but certain that they're gone that he's going to be gone from Boston. First of all. And. Him being disengaged from the teammates is actually pretty like disappointing in a way. Just because of the fact that you are supposed to be the leader of this team. And you're kind of I don't want to describe it. I don't I don't want to say like a banding on the forefront because he's having a great. He's one of the best seasons of his career all in all honesty. But when it comes to his leadership qualities. It doesn't seem like there there in Boston. He doesn't doesn't want them. He doesn't care for the leadership in Boston. You know, it just seems more along the lines of. He's just there to finish up the season doesn't matter. How far they go. And he's ought to New York. The next the at the next site of dawn, you know, what I mean, it just seems Worrell on the lines that he instantly regretted, well, maybe not instantly regretted, but he does regret going to Boston. And he's seems like he's off to New York. Maybe even away like you were saying, oh, he's going to go to New York. But you know, he might go to L A and reunited with the Braun which in turn would absolutely one hundred percent just peo- all Cleland all Cleveland Cavaliers fans because that's exactly what they had in Cleveland, both LeBron and Kyrie they wanna championship. But then bra then Kyrie wanted to be on his own. And now this happens. It's just one of those things where it's just like this. Of course would happen at Cleveland. You know? This of course, would be the detriment to the Cleveland fan base. Because of the fact that. Is it just a discipline? It overall if you're if you're in Cleveland Cavaliers, and you have to the top. Let's say there to the top ten players in the NBA. I would agree. I would say so. And then you. Have them one of them leave to go to high greener pastures and theory. Then he regrets leaving wants to reunite with the guy that he left the team for the reason he left the team your team for now that guy that he will he left the team for that. He wants to reunite with is on another team. Like can that be anymore unlucky for fan base? Like, you talk about just unfortunate situations for France for a franchise this if it happens, this is a big if. If he does kyri that is move from Boston and goes to LA and signs with the Lakers. This is the biggest discipline or dish. The biggest. BS move just a slap in the face to one franchise of all time, you know, it's really hard to describe how how to say it. But just it's like it's like a screw job. That's basically what it is a very unfair situation happen to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah. They had one championship. But after all they've been through after that, it doesn't seem like that was enough because they could have won more championships with kyri. I think a lot of people think that and also one of the big factors is that you know, if you see them both Lakers have Kyrie and LeBron and they both come tell a kyri, maybe you can even pull the on. You know, he got cheered last time. But he might get booed. Now this time that he's going to get the worst booing of his career. He's hiring especially is going to be public enemy number one. As it could be like the win. Lebron went to Miami. Because this is betraying them. There's one thing you want to be on your own and being the man, and you can't do that. With a Braun. I get that on wants to move on. But then changing your mind and going to the team he's on now. I don't I really don't like to talk down about stuff like this. But to me that's a sign of a coward. That's a sign of like a Kevin Durant. Type of thing. You can't get it done on your own or can't or you regret where you are. And you leave for a better team overall in you, it just seems pretty disappointing. If you're a fan of the Cleveland Cavaliers does all this go down, and it's just I really don't know how else to describe it besides like angry and disappointing. If you are. The Cleveland cavalier. And maybe you're upset at these players. Absolutely. But I think a big question that people should think about is. Should you be even more upset at the owner of the team? Who said Tillerson, basically that this is my team. I'll do what I want when it came to trading. Kyrie Irving in the first place. So does this all lead to the fact that the owner of the team moved Kyrie Irving because like he basically run home not too is basically at a spider fell like so do you blame LeBron for leaving? Don people. Do they understood the situation why he left because he couldn't get along with the ownership. But do you blame him for kyri moving to LA? Because I think you can I really think you can blame him. And the reason you can blame him for the both in LA is because he he drove them both away. One literally he traded him and the other Brown wanted to stay. But there was just a power struggle. Maybe I maybe power service a strong word, but it was just more along the lines of just him thinking he's above LeBron that he's better than LeBron. Maybe not better Brahma just like the brand can't walk over him. And he had to make a power move, and he's power hungry and all this other things. So to that I say, yeah, that's a that's about you can blame easily the owner of the Cavaliers for what is going on right now. For the loss of kyri and Kyrie's potential. This is still potential move to LA to reunite with the Brown, which he could've stayed in Cleveland, if he if he got along with management LeBron that is and this would not be an issue for Cleveland. But the fact is clean just lost. The both. This seems on the terms of just. Like can any other team have this much, bad luck? Now, they okay that's not even that can any city can any city have this bad luck with multiple franchises the Cleveland Indians in multiple World Series. Like the one thousand nine hundred five nine hundred ninety seven and twenty sixteen the all lost the World Series Braves. They lost the game seven to the Florida Marlins where they had a chance to see late. But it couldn't seal the deal in the pitching when it came down to ceiling it there. And then you also look at twenty sixteen where they had they tied the game. And it was almost going to be there is, but they again, let it just they let it go. They just didn't capitalize on the on the opportunity and the cubs ran away with it. So that's just one franchise. And then you look at the Cavaliers, and we already spoke about them and the Browns do I really needed describe what they've been through the drive. Fisa before they even moved out. This is the drive the fumble in the move to. And everything you need for the game. But what really gets much more delivery team spirit. Well, we deliver by delivering. Baltimore the first the first time the first franchise moved to Baltimore, then they get their team back. They draft Tim couch in the first overall pick of their expansion or their first pick as a team. And then they go downhill from there. They only make the playoff appearance with Kelly Holcomb as quarterback and couldn't get the they they thought they made a play out of bounce to continue the game. But the the clock kept running the time ran on the lost barely to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Tommy max. Tommy Maddox, remember him the XFL MVP. But regardless it's one of those things where everything that can go wrong for just one franchise when wrong, but three franchises in one city all way wrong. Yes. Cleveland Cavaliers won one championship. But that championship led to this downfall the Cleveland Cavaliers right now. So what does this mean for the future of the Cleveland Cavaliers who knows? But as for their probably enjoying the bronze downfall at the Lakers as they just lost to the. They just lost to the clippers and fans were just booing in hollering and Hissen at the Lakers and Patrick Beverley was loving it. There is a point where the bronze. Lebron's defensive defensive ethic. Work ethic was an question is crews amon- just pushed him towards the perimeter a three that was getting shot at the end of the game. And it just shows that there was kind of like almost like a give up kind of scenario in this. And it just and then and then Kuzin with his ankle injury came back negative. But it seems like he's gonna be out for period of time. And it just seems like the Lakers are just doomed for this season. That is once they move into next season might be a different story. But this season seems like a law season. And the bronze career that's going to be dark point in his career. No doubt about it. And it seems like there's other people that are thinking Luke Walton will be fired after this. Terrible season is over for the Lakers. So we'll see how everything happens. Maybe they'll turn it around next season worst. I kind of situation which maybe which is very possible. So we'll see how that turns out. But that's it for today. Oh, one more thing Suns beat the bucks and upset with a healthy front for the healthy. Starting five of the honest and Bledsoe and Middleton all those guys on the buck side. So that was nice big shocker for yet from yesterday. I mean, you honest, still had a double double twenty one thirteen so putting up big numbers. But just losing to a inferior sons team. I'm not I don't think this is anything to worry about if you're the bucks or anything. But still I think cool win for the sons to get some confidence in see. Hey, we'd beat the number one team in the east and the number one team in the NBA. So that's something to go on. But again that should be our show today. Thank you so much for joining us and Tunis in Amaro for our against sports today. We're also doing a football and fantasy full cast. So make sure you tend to that. But as always I'm Jeff Mallon off. And I'll see you next time. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts sports podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. Download our podcast on itunes, Stitcher. 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Steelers Burning Question: Will Pittsburgh be without both Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell next year?

Behind the Steel Curtain

23:55 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Burning Question: Will Pittsburgh be without both Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell next year?

"Uh-huh. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. What's going on? This is Jeff Harbin editor of behind steel curtain dot com. Here with another episode of the Steelers burning question is is a solo show. I do every single week where we talk about something that is being discussed among Steeler fans everywhere around the globe and this week. I think this question out of all the episodes of done so far. Most people would say Jeff is is really a burning question. Some I goes too far as some my goes far to say, Jeff is even a question at all here. It is plain and simple or the Steelers going to be without those lady on bell and Antonio Brown in two thousand nineteen. So when you hear that question immediately, people think well, duh, lady on bell wants out. He sat out all s season seems obvious. Right. Maybe then you have Antonio Brown into new Brown is wanting out walked out on the team week seventeen has openly stated he wants a trade has been flirting with other teams, especially the San Francisco forty Niners since he walked out on the team in week seventeen. Though, what's the question literally? What is the question? Well, to me, they're still is a lot of gray matter with both of these players in some of its being discussed amongst the mainstream media. And some of is just factual information that could impact what happens to these players. So let's start with lady on bell. The news lady on bell. And let's be honest. There hasn't been much news lady on though, I think we've you might be sending Antonio Brown. A thank you card because I don't think he's the most hated man in Pittsburgh right now like he used to be and that was a burning question. I had a few weeks ago. But. The news around lady on bell. This comes from people like Adam Schefter, Jason lockenfora. Here's what they wrote via Twitter. This is from Adam Schefter VSBN. The Pittsburgh Steelers are still considered tag option on lady on bell. Which would give them the right to imagine e offers sheet, the free agent to be signs with any other team. A league source told ESPN Pittsburgh's decision depends on how much and other team would value bell. And whether the Steelers will be going to match the offer sheet now Jason lockenfora from ES CBS. His source says the Steelers were advised by the NFL management council. They can utilize another tag on the running back into dozen nineteen sources said and the transition tag remains a qu- a likely scenario that would be the precursor tune eventual trade with the jets any. Eagles as potential landing spots. Okay. So the news is that a lot of these experts or insiders with sources, I'm using air quotes, if you're not watching YouTube claim to the Steelers have some options here. Okay now yesterday when you're listening to this. This could be it. Let's be on Wednesday phenomenal writer for behind the curtain dot com. Simon Chester article about why using the transition tag on lady on bell would be foolish. I'll read you what he wrote under the terms of the transition tag. Pittsburgh would have the right of first refusal against any contract offered to bell. But it would offer them zero compensation should he sign? Elsewhere similar to the franchise tag would come with a designated one year contract initially a figure that would appear to be a nine point five million based on the terms of the CBA the collective bargaining agreement. But. But one the dells agent may possibly v able to argue should be worth fourteen point five million. Which is what he was do last year, but didn't show up for guardless of what the transition tag number ends up being the entire amount would be counted against the Steelers salary cap in two thousand nine nineteen from the moment is applied remaining there until bell signed a long term contract with Pittsburgh or another team. Should that team? Not the Steelers not only would they not get any compensation in two thousand nineteen would also be ineligible. Risi receive a compensatory draft pick in twenty twenty. I'll stop right there. So the news surrounding lady on bell is simple. They want. I should say they are suggesting that the Steelers us this initiative enough. What I read to us kind of sounded legs among though jumbo. Let me make it real simple. Excuse me, the transition tag, essentially states that if the Steelers put this transition, tag or maybe on bell. He is not guaranteed any money by the team. He becomes a free agent. And if a team wants to sign maybe on bell, they would put out an offer. It would be up to the Steelers to look at that offer in decide do we want to match the offer or do we wanna let them walk? There's two sides to this one of them is that some are suggesting that the Steelers believe that lady on bells stock or worth amongst the free agent on the free market is not going to be as high as he thinks it will be in in this case. Maybe the Steelers let's say the best deal. He gets is a low ball offer about nine million. The Steelers might say, you know, what we can afford that we want you to stay. And then they they matched the offer sheet. Will that happen? No one really knows. Do I think that'll happen? Now, I don't think that will happen. I do think some team is going to pay him a lot of money more than Pittsburgh can offer, and he will be gone now lockenfora points to the sign and trade method. I just don't think that's going to have any credibility really to be honest with you because you have to think about the fact that any contract that bell signs, even if it's just one with the Steelers is gonna have signing bonuses, which are gonna count as dead money on the cab, and has all written in Simon's article that was published if you haven't checked that out check it out. I guess when I look at lady on bell, some people in it's strange to think this believe that he has a chance of coming back. I never thought he had a chance to coming back. And I'm not sure how he could ever come back. I mean, people say the team. Bates overreact. Sometimes is that the other. But you know, what when it comes down to it the way that his teammates responded to him not showing up. My gosh was that telling I mean, you see stuff like this happen across the league. And you never see players say the things that they said do the things that they did it just doesn't happen. But it did. John Bell could ever walk back into that Steelers locker room and everything because Pacific would they eventually be okay with him? And if he makes it helps them win. Yeah. I'm sure because if it helps them win then. Yeah. But ultimately, in my opinion, the tits for Steelers are moving on from lady young bell. They've already kind of had that the this put into place coming into this passes. And I think that they had faith James Connor or maybe I should say hope they had hope and James Connor the he was going to be a legitimate back. The back that they saw pit before his knee injury. And he was and he was and then they signed Jalen Samuels who's kinda like that Swiss army knife who turned out to be a better runner than they ever thought. But now in his second year, he should be able to do some of the things that Leon belted as a receiver. So they kind of had had this. This planned in my opinion, that they were going to be without love you on bell. I don't think anyone thought that was going to start in two dozen eighteen but it did in alternate Atlantic. The Steelers are better off for it. So when we get back to the burning question of Willis dealers without lady on bell in two thousand nineteen I think that is a resounding, and I mean resounding. Yes. You can talk. Transition tags all you want. I don't think it's worth it. Let him walk get a compensatory draft pick the one thing to keep in mind about the compensatory draft picks. Is you only get Comtex if you don't go out and get free agents yourself. So if the Steelers players in free agency this year in even if they lose Leon del they'll probably still get a pick based on his worth contract stuff of that nature the equation that they have, but it's not going to be nearly as much as people expect. That's not a bad thing. I I've you later on bell as a head. Headache and might be because I covered the team and raft right about him too much. But I say, good riddance. Very talented player. I just don't think the Steelers need him anymore. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it's smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall. Don't do anything smart. Okay. So now, let's turn our attention to Antonio Brown. This is a different beast altogether. Because unlike lady on bell who set to hit free agency Antonio Brown's under contract plane is simple. He's under contract. And we all know the story of what went down after week seven teen, but it's gotten a little bit more complex than that since week seventeen. So he walks out on the team doesn't show up doesn't talk to anyone. We're hearing about head the flirtation with other teens mainly the San Francisco forty Niners for talking about. Now, the police reports of possessed potential domestic dispute with one of Brown's the the mother of his one of his children. The one thing I'm not going to do here is to downplay domestic violence or a domestic dispute of any kind for whatever reason. That's just now what I'm going to do. However, I'm I take that stuff extremely serious. But. However, I do want to mention that his off the field situation is certainly going to impact is on the field situation. So I think maybe on Dell's made it very clear that he wants to be traded. He wants out of Pittsburgh one way or another. And so the Steelers in art Rooney the second and Mike Tomlin at his end of the year press conference. They all said he is not above the law. He could potentially be traded period. And the one thing that sticks in my mind at first, it seemed fine you're gonna get a decent return for him. What have you? I John traffic. I don't know. Maybe it's a second round pick or third round pick and current player on a team. I don't think they're going to get as big of a return as many expected, and I think that's that's been reported. And the Steelers would never admit it. But I'm sure they're getting phone calls. And they're probably just not getting turned that they ultimately thought they would so right now, they're in his state and all of a sudden this police report gets leaked now. What what does that do in terms of his value? He's already has he already has baggage. His baggage is that he walked out on his team. His baggage is the Facebook live stuff. His baggage is the temper tantrums on the sideline this might not be unique to internal Brown. But it all comes in the package that is in Tokyo Brown, if you're someone that wants to buy the trade. Now you throw in the police report the potential domestics you which by the way, the NFL did say they are going to investigate. So he's a potential player who could be suspended for this. If it proves to be true that he put his hands on a woman in some way shape before. And so now, you're the Steelers maybe thinking my gosh. What are we going to do? Now. He doesn't want to be here. We don't necessarily want him here. What are we gonna get for him? I don't know. That's tough question to really tough question. And so. If his trade value is continuing to decline. Well, many people myself included thought that he would just be gone this this off season. Maybe the Steelers by the boy and keep him because they realize the return would never be good enough. There would be a lot of fences that need mended before that happened. But maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe that's what they think that hey, he's a good player. We'll see how things pan out in terms of this investigation. But ultimately, maybe we just keep him. We're not gonna get a first-round pick form we're not gonna get a high profile player forum. So therefore, let's keep our own high profile player hope that he can get his stuff together in hope that he can help us win a championship because Antonio Brown is that kind of player you might hate his guts right now. But you can't deny the impact that he has on the field. Whether it's in production. Or whether it's in getting defenses attention and opening up things for someone like juju Smith Schuster on the other side of the football field. So will Antonio Brown? Be a part of the Steelers in two thousand nineteen if you ask me this two days ago. I would say there's no chance he's a member of the Steelers in two thousand and nineteen. But while some people are saying, they should just cut ties dantonio Brown. You can't just cut ties with a guy like this. I understand the domestic violence stuff. I don't take that lightly. The domestic dispute whatever you wanna call. It should not and will not I doubt. I highly doubt after all the incidents that the NFL's had be taken lightly. However, this is not a Kareem hunt situation in Kansas City, where he's a third round draft pick, and they just cut ties with now, he's very talented. But at the. Same time. He is not gonna count twenty million dollars on your salary cap. If you choose the cut him, I don't think the Steelers can afford that if they're going to trade him, and they have that dead money on their on their books, at least they would be getting something in return that may sound insensitive that may sound callous. But that's just the God's honest truth when it comes to how this is run as a business is that's what it is folks. It's a business. To if you asked me two days ago. Will Antonio Brown? Beyond the Steelers into dozen nineteen. I would've said there's no chance now. If that number was ten percents days ago. I'd say it's above fifty percent. Now, I've goes high sixty five percent there's a chance that sixty five percent chance that he is back wearing black and gold next year. Why? But depending on how this case pans out in the investigation of the NFL on the Pittsburgh Steelers. And what they do there might not be love teens at one them. And if they do want him to probably not giving up with the Steelers one four him take that for what it's worth. So to put a Bill on all of this. Lady on bell. I think's gone into new Brown could be gone in. Ultimately, I think he could be back. I don't think underlies any chance of being back. If I were put a percentage on that. I put a zero. But it just had me thinking the other day about how you think about two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen the killer bees, you know, Ben Rothlisberger. Antonio Brown lady on bell for tavis Bryant, Chris Boswell. Manny fast for to two thousand nineteen where are they now kind of like one of those segments. Where are they? Now, Ben Roth is burgers entering the final year of his contract hoping for an extension in new Brown walks out on his team once traded off field issues. No one knows what his future holds. Radio on bell sat out the entire two thousand eighteen season instead of playing under the set of the franchise tag. He's expected to hit free agency or tavis. Bryant was traded to the raiders in out of the league's suspended indefinitely after having another drug issue or failed drug test. Chris Boswell coming off one of the worst kicking seasons in franchise history. This after he gets a big contract by the by the team before the season. Man, how the mighty have fallen. But I'll say this. I was texting Lance Williams. My co-host for the standard is a standard in big props to him for his show. Yes. Said it if you haven't heard any of those go back and check them out. They're not long podcast and fifteen minutes in one hundred percent worth it. But back to the the point here was texting him. And he was saying how he feels the Steelers need to go all in. He said bring back bell bring back Brown try to sign whoever you can't in free agency. And I kept on saying to myself. Well, the funny thing is is that when they had all this talent the killer bees were intact in they were buzzing around the hive. Then ever won anything. They never won anything in. He replied will. They made it to AFC championship game whip d do just like doing Lind. Pittsburgh does not label themselves as a success for reaching a conference championship game. They're labeled their success with Super Bowl trophies. And they never produced one. You can talk defense you can talk. Whatever you want. They killer bees one nothing period. Go back and think about those two two dozen five two thousand nine they have even close to the offense of weapons that they have now now. Did they win? Yep. Yes. They did. Absolutely. You could even go back to nineteen ninety five when they went to Super Bowl thirty in loss to Dallas. Did they had the offense of weapons then? Bam Morris not really running back in the anti fake pen. Not not not not really they didn't Neil Donal come on. But they still got to the Super Bowl zero forty five. They didn't have the same talent when they lost to Green Bay, plain and simple. This team might be without those v superstars in two thousand nineteen but it doesn't mean the sky's falling. And it doesn't mean this team can still be very prolific offense without them to answer the burning question will Jewish without Antonio Brown lady on balance. He doesn't nineteen. Odds are possibly maybe even probably. But I think that intended round might be back. Got a hunch. Not a source got a hunch. That's a show folks listening. Make sure you check out all of our podcasts in multiple venues multiple platforms. So first and foremost YouTube, you go to YouTube search BT SEC lers radio, and you'll get a lot of our shows there live, you can see if you can put a face to the voice. But if you don't have that possibility capability, you can find us on a ton of audio platforms go to ITN's, Google play Stitcher, megaphone Spotify, which is my personal favourite. If you just go to any of those platforms and search Steelers, you'll find us look for the behind the steel curtain dot com logo, you'll see it as Espy nation. Pittsburgh Steelers community we want you to like subscribe and follow in please tell your friends yet. A fan of a frontiers fan of the Steelers tell them about it send him some links. We appreciate all the help. We can get and as always behind his current dot com. That should be your one stop shop for Pittsburgh Steelers knees in the offseason, we're giving you eight to ten articles a day in the season. Eight to ten articles think about that. That's crazy. But we appreciate all the support. There's well, I'm Jeff Armin editor of behind the curtain dot com. Ac- next week. Another episode of the Steelers burning question. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kirk. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full stride. Keep telling you this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We live Tennessee Batman homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh Batman, the hell of being trapped a group text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion like about coaches, having huge contracts or coaches making terrible decisions or coaches, saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dumb, beautiful sport like time Arkansas decided to use a captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and it wound up killing seven rattlesnakes a pig and a Coyote sometimes. We talk about all okay alleged with if you wanna take college football exactly as seriously as it deserves to be taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts like this one the forecast, it's not voltron unless it is.

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 174 Destinations for AB and Bell(3-5-2019)

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast

46:33 min | 1 year ago

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 174 Destinations for AB and Bell(3-5-2019)

"Golden State media concepts fantasy football podcast is your one stop shop for fantasy football news and advice has decided who to draft on first round cowing Gaga, and how to learn of your team got you covered. Additionally, Ziona Steve leaks. He on Lee ide- deep Ely. Even daily fantasy football league shawna's as we break down all the question of fantasy football. It's the Golden State media concepts fantasy football podcasts. Welcome. Everyone of the SMC fantasy football podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast. Now, I'm your host always Jeff melon. And boy, we got some money Ingende delay, mainly Steeler, topics. Well, players argued be former Steelers, but regardless they're going to be there Hughes draft prospects when it comes down to it. So we are looking at levian mbelle. Antonio Brown, what are their best destinations for your draft stock in they get a rise. Or are they gonna fall what's her teams? What's the best and one of the worst destinations for them? Because we gotta figure out what's going to happen when they sign with those teams are they going to be that I pick for you. Or they get to be that last pick for you, both not legitimate last. But they're going to be not as crucial as they used to be when they were with the Steelers, you get what I'm saying, you get you get it. And then we'll also talk about anything else. We'll have frozen is better with Josh Rosen will be a better draft prospect with another offense. If he does get bumped poor column. Which is sounds like in my actually happen. I mean, you're hearing so much of this. And then we'll also not look at we'll also get column himself as well very him to twain Haskins, and maybe even ju locker Daniel Jones, and we'll see how they rank up when it comes down to their draft stock not just in the NFL but the fantasy football draft. And if you will will you them in your in your fantasy as backup maybe eating your shorter. We'll find out but first things first we gotta talk about those Steelers. We'll start with Levy on bell. He's the most. Well, he's the free agent. So we got to talk about what places he's favorites. Go to and that's the jets that's the most favorite place to go to and with how they ran the ball with coil and Powell and those guys not being the best of running backs. I mean, one of them did get it two hundred rushing game. So they get the job done. Sometimes they're so if he does end up in New York. With the jets. Does he still become that top three top five pick? These. He did drop down in stock. Just because of the fact that he did miss. He did miss a whole season. I think we gotta talk about that too. Very crucial thing that that needs to be discussed. And the fact of the matter is when it comes down to him being with the jets. He might be that might possibly be the best suit for him. But with their new head coach on gays, it is unknown. What he wants out of his players if they do even if they do get Bill would they be giving him the ball consistently? Will they be giving him the ball at a pace they want him to and it all comes down to the facts that how were the dolphins last year in rushing and? They weren't that good because they had free gore, and they had some other players. But they didn't have a guy like the bell and the combined rushing ours. The dolphins had in two thousand eighteen seventeen thirty eight. That's a bout the same as with Libya. Bill ran the ball himself that this is total combined. Stats? Frank gore had one hundred twenty two yards in fourteen games. Kenyan Drake had five hundred and thirty five yards on sixteen played the yards per game. We're thirty three and fifty one respectively. Four rushing touchdowns for Drake zero for Franco, those whether talked to running backs so with that being shown there is still some serious concern with this team. Well, that's the dolphins. We're moving on from the dolphins to the jets. And if bell goes to the jet will Adam gays frequently used the running game more than he did in Miami. I would say yes will he be the focal point in in New York. I'm not exactly sure because they won. They have Sam darnold who they want to get better, which I'm assuming they wanna pass the ball frequently to get him more experience under center and all this other than just handing the ball off to Levy on bell. So he might lose some carries there in that sense of just testing out or not testing on her just having Donald throw the ball because they drafted him so high and also the facts that just is he fit with the jets at all. Well, he does have that way of personality type where would would fit in New York in theory. But we really don't know what the situation will hold when it comes down to his contract will he's the thing is the jets have the money to buy him. They have plenty of money. And so you're not gonna waste that money to not give. Him the bowl twenty twenty five times a game. I think that's a fair assumption. So with that being said, what would be the worst place for Levy on bell? Because it sounds like if the jets are the front runners, it might be that that's the best place for him, maybe financially, obviously, maybe they'll put their whole scheme round him based on the financial. The financial loss. They would won't off into loss the money. They would have to pay better come to the jets. But then there's also like the raiders who love a guy like that power kind of how our he's kind. He do the power back kind of thing. But also can get some speed in them. So Jon Gruden could vary used canoes him, very wisely. If he if he has the if he has him available to that is so now we look at his worst possible destinations. And I remember saying that good place for him to go or likely place for him to go as Indianapolis. And I said that because they have the highest cash face over one hundred million dollars in cap space. But with how Marlin MAC played this year, he will have to split carries with Marlin MAC because you're not gonna let the night to sit on the sidelines because you know, he's talented player, and he no he can get the job done on the running game. When you need him to he's a very reliable running back very talented running back with the very bright future ahead of. So with that and levian bell wanted to be the number one back, obviously, I think that's I think that's what he wants. I am going to say with the fact that you know. Levian will not take half carries. So if he does go to Indianapolis for the money because they can afford that eighty million dollar contract. He wants whatever much money he wants fifteen twenty million dollars a year. However, it goes. Livio embel- will not be getting the numbers. He would be getting last periods years because of the fact while amac is they're the only reason I say the worst possible this nation, that's a possible destination for levian bell. Is is because how good Marla action plane. It's not just because of that team's terrible that teams destined for playoff teams destined for success. The colts are at least so. It's all about how talented the runningback game is already is. And with barley Matt could it be taking already taking most of those carries? He's not going to give up that many carries to Levy on bell Levy on bill's gonna have to have his carry holds to help out with the MAC, and I'm not saying have bad games him Marland MAC together. We'll be absolutely dominant possibly dominant. I'm not gonna say without question because I'd like to I would stay foot in my mouth after that. If they don't if they actually does happen, and they don't become successful. But when it comes down to it. Liliane bell will not be getting those numbers. He would be getting in Pittsburgh, if he goes to Indianapolis, he will beginning them if he goes to the jets because they're not gonna get Powell that echo Medicare's if he still their same with cowl. So with that Lebanon is the guy there he's the face of that team payment Sam darnold that is. So that gives him an advantage bear in that market as well as that many carries. And then you also are looking at quarterback Andrew luck who is coming off a comeback player of the year. He played amazing health team gets to get to the play offs. And all this the pass the ball to he is dual threat back and where he can catch the ball run for thousands wells and reservoirs cats for thousand, but he's not going to take snaps. He's gonna be in a position on a team where he's gonna take up ninety percent of those naps or ninety percent of those carries or. However, you wanna put it because he's that kind of player, and so another place where I think might be worse off for him are the two best. I said the jets and the raiders probably be the two best options for levian Bill. And Indianapolis is probably one of the worst situations where I'm just based off the talent they have on that team. And he would probably have to replace her take less snaps in that kind of thing. Like, I said so with that the next worst nation, I guess you can say. He was saying this. I'm not sure if this is true. But he was I think he was considering Miami. Like he was down there in Miami. I think he wouldn't be opposed to having a team there. You know, just because of the fact he was basically down there. Most of the time he was supposed to be in Pittsburgh. So to say Miami's an option. That would be disastrous. Because one thing's for certain there. They are tanking. They are re they are in rebuild mode. They are in. We are not gonna win the next couple of years. And it's just a fact they've it's like the front. That's what the front office is obviously the team's gotta try. But regardless this is a project. Now, they're starting a new project. They're starting rebuild mode as if they weren't already rebuilding, but they're taking time to be out of the playoffs to build. It's better team to get back into the playoffs. It's that's where rebuilding all about. These said the definition rebuilding shocker. But with that, I say also live on Bill Schnapp in that situation because in order to lose games, you cannot give the Levy on it. He will not be getting the boss fueling or he beginning of all too frequently and Rhys injury because he'd be pushed so hard. And of course, the dolphins seems just bad. If what they're planning is true. If what the rumors of them planning is true, then he's definitely not gonna be doing well in Miami. Because they're probably gonna be doomed for failure. So we that being said I say I stand by what I say of Indianapolis Miami being a two possible worst destinations for him and the two best destinations for Levy. I'm Bill is the raiders and the jets, but we are going to short break when we come back. We'll be talking about in Tokyo Brown his best in worst destinations. We read on that. When we return. Are you looking for the very best NFL and college football podcast? Then check out the GMC football podcast. Get the latest football move both on and off the field from the NFL draft treats to the rumor mill to the NFL combines they got you covered. That's GMC podcast dot com slash football. Dash podcasts. Get up dates. I'm college wife, Elise key, insights and much much more. It's football talk. The way you want. It this show sleeps and breeds football. Don't for till like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit yes and see podcasts dot com for more info. Welcome back to the GMC fantasy football podcast just finish over the levian bell talk. Now, let's get into and Tonio Brown. But real quick about living. I'm bell. If he does go to the raiders or the jazz you say he's top five pick. If he goes to anywhere else. I say he's a bottom ten pick. I just think that's just what the case will be in the long run. So we'll be onto Antonio Brown. And his future. So there are three teams said they were invested in him. The reports were yesterday that it was the Broncos the cardinals and the raiders I'll start from there. The raiders are a running team. They love the pound the rock. That's john. Green loves to do. That's his infamous he's power runner type guy. And so with that I feel like there's gonna be a lot of. Disappointment when it comes down to that. If he goes to Oakland is I'll I think they'll try to put them in the offense scheme that they have. And it just wouldn't work out in the long run. I just feel like that would just they would they're running. Their offense is mainly known for the running. Well, their coaches mealy no for loving to run the ball. So getting a big deep threat like that. They might not use him as frequently as most others would or they will like I said would love him. They would try to overuse him and try to use them every single time and throw the ball deep to a point where he will be seriously when where he will be injured or he will be just exhausted in not be able to play as many downs. So with that being said, then you look at the the Air's Zona cardinals the other reported obstacle team from yesterday. That is a fairly. You're waiting to happen. And I'll tell you what. Not because of like if they dare Qatar Murray he's too young or not ready if they do in keep Josh Rosen. Josh Rosen just throw the ball deep. He doesn't have that huge can of an arm that you need with an Tonio Brownlee person. Because of the fact that in Tokyo Brown is nothing is all speed. He's super fast and he can catch the ball deep. He's a deep threat. No question about it. Deep threat superstar if you will. And if you throw it deep somewhere near the him, he will most likely catch it because he's that talented. So getting rid of that deep ball ten Tonio Browns take away his best thing you're giving him kryptonite rather than solar power from the sun. That's a superman reference for you nerds out there. Just like me. So there is a lose lose lose win situation. Your lose as in you have Josh having Tonio Brown, which is the win. But lose. Being you don't use into his full advantage. Because of the fact that you are now having to use him in the short term short throw game. And that's not where his specialty lies. So now if they do like drought column Murray cut in I don't know trade a a next year. I or next in they can't Carl's trip. I the concentrate a few next year second and Josh Rosen for in Tonio Brown. Then that might work in a sense where they have now. Carla Marie instead of Josh Rosen or doing has gins wherever you want. And now they have a deep threat. Now, they have guy that can throw the ball deep guy and run around the pocket and give him time to really go up the field. They make a play. So that is also a possibility. And then you look at the Broncos right now, they just traded for Joe flacco. Truth retold. I have no idea. Why? I think people are still trying to figure out why on earth. Did you trade for Joe flacco, I think it was completely unnecessary? I think it was a waste of a trade. I think it was too low reward high risk type of situation where you might be just destined to fail. This. But you know, I hope they can prove me wrong in all honesty. But. Regardless. I think it's one of those things where you're looking at it in a perspective of what you seen in the past. And we've seen the past is not the best kind of situation. You wanna be in trading for an old veteran quarterback in and thinking he's gonna be one the solve all your problems. But in reality, he's lost the Jews to really perform. And now, you're stuck with a huge contract of of Nick foles earn. I'm sorry, non Ecoles. Well, they could have gone Nick foles where they went with Joe flacco. So that might come back to bite him the, but to be honest with you in the future. But. It's one of those things where you're looking at it from a from this perspective of the past has shown that trading for old veteran quarterback has worked very very very rarely. Usually it's finish off their career high note of the okay team, and it just doesn't seem to be working outlet for Joe flacco. I think he's gonna finish very disappointedly to be completely honest with you. So if they get if they were serious in drafting Tonio Brown, I think that'd be huge mistake. But they have said they're not which is probably the best news. Antonio Brown can hear all day is he will not be a Bronco nothing against the Bronco fan base. I'm just saying with the poor quarterback. And Joe flacco that you trade to four I'm not saying that he's just bad. He just. He's not elite. Everyone claims he was elite after that bull runny had but I've never considering elite. That's not what he is. He's he's a deep throwback. No doubt about it. But he's just doesn't have all the tools that that LeBron's that the Broncos thought he I really don't know what the Broncos were thinking, exactly. But the thing with like legendary players that become executives in front office guys. Like, for example, Michael Jordan, one of the greatest NBA players of all time runs front office for the Charlotte Hornets and even helped out the Washington Wizards a little bit when he came back with them. He's the one that drafted Kwami Brown one of the worst of all time. And so he has a history of doing bad poor decisions. And that's how the Charlotte Hornets and everyone quite successful with him or the Charlotte. Bob cats for that matter they one of the worst records of all time after a lockout had less than ten wins in one season. So that shows the porn is of his own tire team in. His higher rung as a front office guy because he's never made the right decision. And then you look at John Elway. He drafted Tim Tibo. Well, Josh just well, I was just Daniels drafted Tim te'o. But he allowed it. He he's just doesn't really if he wasn't for Peyton Manning deciding to come to Denver he would already be relieved of duties by now he would not be involved in front office decisions with the Denver Broncos anymore. If it wasn't for pain manning and their run they had with him and to get him out of the fire. But now with gone he has been exposed he Paxton Lynch Trevor simian these tall six foot three six foot six packs actually six foot eight quarterbacks they think are the future of this league. But in reality the shorter more leading not. In I but more king get out of the pocket and make a play Kaba quarterback is what's taking over the NFL, Patrick Mahomes. Also wilson. Who else is there? Wow. I can't believe I'm blanking already. Just. Baker Mayfield can even run out of the pocket and make plays. And you're also look at like, I don't know Carson Wentz. Sometimes can be contained scramble, but he's more of a pocket passer himself. It's okay. More or less. It's a mix of speed guys. I can get out of pocket I make plays and pocket passers. But Joe flacco is not a very good pocket passer. I hate to say it. He's not that good. He doesn't have what it takes anymore. Honestly, is my opinion. But they're stuck with his contract. Now. And. It's just a shame. That's just but I'm lying. Shame that it came down to this. Now, Joe flacco is going to be looked at a huge trade bust, and we will. And then it will be considered. Like, why did you make this trade? That's my prediction of what this is gonna happen. Why did he make this trade? Why did you make this happen? What did you see and flacco because no one else saw anything flacco? He got bench for Lamar Jackson who can't throw the football. Very well, but he can run like no one else. And he Ryan thirty times a game in his short stint as the ravens quarterback. So they're sim serious concern when it looked at like, the March exit cannot play like that anymore and speaking of quarterback that you don't want your fantasy team that is a perfect example gay to one of your fancy team, and I'm bringing this all up because like Joe flacco is not a guy who would draft in the first round. Or second or third. He's not the first quarterback. You take the more checks is not the first quarterback. You take Antonio Brown. Can't do much with that kind of quarterback. And he won't be drafted first round. Maybe second. I can't even seem third depending on the team goes to. And with that I say like the raiders he might look because bad the raiders have been. He might be looked at as like. Okay. Third round second round pick incentive. Like oh. He's the first wide receiver to be taken. And then you look at the terms of if he goes to let's say, let's use the forty Niners as an example because that was like the big thing, and he was like he even posted a instrument fish picture of him in for enters jersey Photoshop talking to Jerry Rice. So I'll use this as an example Culshaw Hans grace offense of minds in football right now. Maybe the best Trump McVeigh's of there too. So it's it's a dead heat. If anyone knows how to use every player to their best. And you look at when he college Shanahan was the offense coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons. He made Matt Ryan and envy p quarterback who you Jones, look borderline unstoppable. It also that ju- Jones was borderline on several regardless, but he put them into better positions to make humongous plays and be a better player than he already was which was already goat level in the aggressive all time. But he's the best. Why does he today's game? At that time, you could say he's lost a little bit after losing Shanahan, which sunny stand just paste playcalling schemes and such. But regardless I think it comes to the point that Julio Jones's tough, I back and college Shan used him to absolute perfection. So with that if he has until Brown and he has Jimmy Garoppolo. And he made Markey's Goodwin. Look like a great wide receiver. He's still pretty tall wide receiver. No doubt about Markey's Goodwin is, but he put him to another level of how talented he is because of the offense call Shanahan ran. So if Tony Brown's in that kind of offense where he's gonna utilize everyone to their full potential Garoppolo -tated Tonio Brown might be the best receiver quarterback combination. The NFL arguably. So with that being said if you're a fantasy football owner, you might want him go to the Niners because authencity they have a great offense online. And they know he knows how to make everybody you live up to their full potential. It's not more. But it doesn't it doesn't like he's going there because there's no talks for the four enters and the Steelers about that. But the three reports about the raiders the cardinals and the Broncos being onces three teams. I called is not true. And this is reportedly who actually came up with who actually were through the cold the raiders are still there. But it's also the titans. And the Redskins. So let's look at both the titans and the Redskins. The titans have mortgage mariota. He's on his last legs with the team. And so he needs to make an impact sooner rather than later in order to be the guy there to keep ten you being the guy there and within Tony Brown. He could be the guy because if he can't because the titans were last in touchdowns by wide receivers last season. If Marcus mariota cannot get it done throwing touchdown passes to in Tonio frigging Brown. He's good as dead like career wise and starting jobwise it's over because and if it Tony does go to the titans does it Margaret Mary otas stock goes up his stock was abused. Now, he has an elite warrant wide receiver. He's throwing the ball to which gives him more points. So it's a win win. When it comes down to Marcus mariota future owners or Kern owners who knows based off. Those drafts where you hold onto players. I'm blanking on the name of the moment. Pardon me. But. Hold overdrafts or something like that. I figured out later and. Did you have in Tokyo Brown owners who are most likely he's if he might be considered second round pick because the times are big question Mark when it comes to wide receivers and touchdowns. But I think it's a good investment to get into Neo Brown in that second or third route. If he still available because of the fact that Marcus mariota might be giving him the ball way more often than not. And I know the Derrick Henry, and they know they have Dion Lewis. But the fact of the matter is I don't think mariota likes throwing the ball to is running backs. He doesn't really look at his running backs to be honest. He looks for deep downfield stuff. And who's rather than deep downfield something then Antonio Brown? So I think about my perfectly with how comfortable it would be from Arkansas to throw in the football. But again, that leaves a lot of unanswered questions based off of the fact that it's just it's the titans, and they don't really have this like Marcus mariota still has a lot to prove to be that kind of quarterback to earn the right to be throw even throwing that kind of caliber of player, but we are going to short break. And when we come back, I'm gonna talk about each of the rookie quarterbacks and see what what is their potential in draft stock and what they can do in their first season in the NFL start. We'll be right back right after this. 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I had the Jaguars taking color Marie and all or calorie with the fourth pick trading upwards, but the mock draft for this year post combine thanks to Bleacher report. Has a different story. Matt Miller mock draft one of those trustful ones. The pick the number one pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. The Arizona karnal select Kyle Lowry quarterback Oklahoma. So with his height now being five ten. This is he. During that time like after the drive five foot ten all that stuff. This is what Matt Miller says. Throughout the week. In indianapolis. I didn't into one agent scout coach or general manager who thought anyone but column Orie would be the top overall pick. That is damning evidence first of all because not too long ago. This was the Nick Bosa sweepstakes. This was all about Nick Bosa Nick Bosa this, and it boasted that he was going to be a first over all pick. It's a done deal. You're fighting for Nick bozo. That was the formality. That's what was destined. But now we have the official height. That's the huge thing to this. The height of column is above five nine which gives him. In opportunity. To be the number one overall pick. And it sounds like it's almost it's almost a foregone conclusion sounds like they're really setting this up. And if he says, okay, let's just go right out. He's going to Arizona. He's going to have a veteran Larry fits share that wide receiver. And he's also going to have just maybe some he's going to have a rough offense align to that's my only concern with it. But as the first overall pick with a week team in the cardinals besides having a very talented wide receiver still in Larry FitzGerald. I will say his stock will be his highest drafted in the highest round draft that he would be. Will be the fifth round. Yes. The fifth round is the highest. I see column going if he does go to the Zona cardinals. And this is kind of how the world works now. It's not just because always he's on a week team quarterbacks aren't drafts highly anymore. They should not be drafted highly more. I mean, we look at we talked to Mark when he was on the podcast back then. And he said he hasn't draft one till late. And I've seen a lot of guys who've won fantasy football drafts. Do that until it's late. And I get what that only means. I get that. Because of the fact that those guys will give you points, regardless. But the guys will give you the most pointer your receivers are running backs, and that is your that should be your running back through your first pick for sure. So with that fifth Brown. Pick sounds like the earliest, maybe maybe maybe a little earlier may fourth. The people will go for a quarterback. And I don't see color Mary being one of the top five or top ten quarterbacks taken a mistrial. I honestly see him as a Becca for most fantasies owners. I'm not gonna lie to you. That's where I think it is. And. If he does become a starter for a team that is. I will see it as they drive the him dead last, maybe not dead last. But he will be like one of the last players taken for a team because they just need a quarterback. You know? So it will be like, okay. I running out. I'm running out of picks. I need a quarterback to start. I got a good set up around him. He doesn't need to be super like immediate doesn't eat for twenty five or thirty points a game. But I just eat him to get like fifteen a game twelve twelve to fifteen game with do. That's what he's asking where you're asking for. Then you can go Murray as you're starting quarterback. But that is a long cake scenario again, he's not going to be a priority. Pick. I think regardless where he goes. But I think the cardinals especially like, Hugh, he's not going to be a highly touted pick. I know people are gonna say oh, well look at Baker Mayfield. Well, he had an extremely talented team young talented team around him. That's not the same in Arizona. But now we doing Haskins be as we were doing this mock draft to mock draft, but. With the next quarterback taken in the draft. It's the near giants which Wayne Haskins. And that seemed to be like a foregone conclusion months ago, because even I said that my mom Jeff that he was gonna go there because it just sounds like that's where he's destined to go. And he's not going to be a starter. He's going to be an I said this that the. New year. Giants is the best available is the best place possible for a rookie quarterback. And the only reason I said that is not gonna be starting right away. And that is the best situation for any rookie quarterback. You're not starting right away. You're not thrown right into the fire right away. You're giving opportunity to sit back, and marinate and marinating. It's because I'm sorry quarterbacks. Start off right away. It's never a good start nine times out of ten. It's never a good start. Sometimes they come at nowhere really perform right away in their NFL ready right away. But if you really want to success quarterback, you gotta let marinate for a least season, and I use Petra homes over and over again is perfect example any really is. Because of the fact that he came off one year of rest when you're benched behind Alex Smith and then. He becomes out fifty touchdown third guy to do whatever and a five thousand yard passer that just doesn't happen often dumb luck. He had a talented offense. I'm not denying that one bit. He had an unbelievable offense. But. He had a show a lot of a lot of footwork in a lot of adapting to certain situations when the offense when a defense was giving them nothing. He had to make things work. He did some amazing things like the no Luke passes and all that kind of stuff. So looking at this overall. I definitely see. Doing Haskins as the best fit as the best possible scenario for any quarterback. In sounds. It's going to be his fit. So he's obviously not going to be drafted this year. He's just be on waivers. I think the whole year because of the fact that well, I guess on the fact that if if any place the whole season if eliminating does because I feel like now if doing Haskins is their quarterback he's going to be an risk of getting benched. His his his starting quarterback job is not fully. Guarantee now because they have a towns of quarterback behind him. But I'm not gonna say he's on thin super thin ice. He's good to be on thin ice. But he's he can have like three or four really bad games. And we're like, okay, we just gotta have him stay for a little while longer. While this kid is ready 'till this kid is ready. And that's where I think it's gonna lie. It's all on what the situation is going to be Dwayne Haskins if he gets cut if he gets benched five weeks in because how bad he's playing. That's a lot of trouble for doing Haskins thrown into the fire in my opinion too early. So with that being said. The next year. If it goes a whole year any doesn't play and he plays the next season. He starts next season for the New York Giants. I'm seeing twain Haskins as a potential next. I'm not saying he's getting it fifty touchdown passes. But I'm saying he's going to be productive up to the level of a Patrick Mahomes. He's gonna have that potential factor there. Because of the fact that he has roughly the same kind of upbringing in the NFL that he had with the best Mahomes had with the chiefs. So it's only fair to assume that he can do those kind of things as well. And I think that has all the potential in the world he's quarterback from Ohio State. I saw a lot of potential in him. So that's how I see this going. And the next quarterback taken in this. Like, I said if tween house doesn't drink gets drafted this year by the giants do not pick him in the drive us. He will not be starting. It's Manny until further notice. But if how bad does in the first couple of weeks, keep an eye on your waiver wire just as he might wanna pick up Dwayne Haskins. Just in case your bag quarterback is into your liking in Dwayne Haskins might be a proper Beck up where you could play him in your by week for your other quarterback because he might be getting a start sooner rather than later in theory. And then we go to the next quarterback. That's going to be drafted in this in this Matt Miller mock draft. It's going to be with the tenth pick. Oh, boy with the ten pick in the two thousand and nineteen NFL draft. The Denver Broncos. Select drew lock quarterback, Missouri. But this was rumored since before the senior bowl in late January. So I mean, it's a big time possibility. But the thing is I feel really bad for July is if he does get drafted by John away. That is not a good sign for your future career. Because of the fact he has no he does not have it. Good history of drafting quarterbacks. It's almost a curse I hate to say that. But it's almost a curse being drafted by the Denver Broncos. And try by John Elway if your quarterback. I mean, the list goes on Pasa Lynch Trevor simian, Tim Tibo, I mean had one miracle season. But then skip Bayless just destroy his career because he kept being so high on him, but regardless not getting into that. But it just list the list of quarterbacks by John away is not the best. And so I'm like, okay. I can turn this around. I can be the one that he does. Well, but then they draft Joe flacco. So you're going to marinate so that might be a possibility. But again, it's the Broncos at John away. There's a bad vibe around. There's a stench around him drafting quarterbacks, and I'm feeling really bad for July if he gets drafted there. So if he does get dry a quarterback does by John Elway doesn't have to be. You. Look, I'm seeing straight up right now avoid him with a ten foot pole because it's just bad. There's no good. There's just it's just bad. And when I mean bad, I mean, more along lines just like nothing. Good has come of it. So expect that trend to keep going in a way in theory. You know because you don't want to risk that. It's too risky. And of course, Daniel Jones, he sounds like he's going to the patriots charges pick them up. Again, a guy that's could be marinating behind starting quarterback. So honestly, if I had a pick between meriting behind either the chargers or the patriots and the Broncos I would definitely pick either the chargers or the Broncos so ever gets drafted. After the Broncos. Quarterback wise definitely considering for next for the seasons when that quarterback ahead of them retired. But that should be our our show for today. Thank you so much joining us, and please join in next week as the free agency continues to be closer and closer. We'll have some more information for next season who you should drafting you she avoid. But it's always I'm Jeff Mallon off. 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Stop Waiting to Start

"On this episode. John's going to give advice on his rap career. And tell you what to do for your New Year's resolution. No no no no no. I'm not telling anyone what to do for their new music. I listen anti New Year's resolution. I'll explain why in very very blunt detail during the show. I'll well actually give you a better alternate option. And that's all I'm GONNA say dude that's all I'm GonNa say we also talked about credit cards. How build your credit? This episode has a lot of things you can apply to life journal. What's up everybody? You woke up another episode of business in biceps any better wake ear s up on today. Show John's going to tell us a Christmas story before we got Cora Gregory's a liar. He's already lied we are. We are listening. We are three seconds in and and you are a hug. You are fake news you are thinking by noses growing up. Pinocchio are Fake News. Hey but you know. It's not fake. News is today's episode so's brought to you by Zippier Dot Com John so Zappia happier you've got to check out ZAP your dot com. They're giving you a fourteen day. Free trials check it out. We'll tell are you more about that later and John. I know you had some family in town. Everything goes good for the holidays. Buddy yeah everything was low key EH. Which is nice you know when you When you shut it down at least for like two days and you get a real break you know you're not on the phone all the time and all the stuff it I I I'm trying to say something Nice but really what it made me WanNa do is get back from work. Whatever is aw mom mom? I know you don't know how to use the Internet so thank God. You won't hear this I-love-you but I wanted to get back to work so here I am. That's you know what I love John. Is that your one honest motherfucker. Though that is I was trying to cobble something nice to say and then I'm like well. I'm just going to say what I was thinking about. Like how I'm wasting time like we already had our meal. Comey fucking meals. Can I have. How many talks can we listen? I you know I feel like a fucking grinch but it's just my brain wired differently. I Dunno well one thing I did a really good job of was eating ten to twelve cookies. Probably Ali per night passing out like I drank a six pack by the fire and then waking up sweating like a maniac from all the sugar so that happened a a few times and then now at the point where I ate all my mom's cookies I didn't eat any of Rachel so she's upset because now I probably won't eat Eddie. Oh go forward because now back of Diet but other than that it was good and Merry Christmas happy holidays. Everybody and let's get started on this show on the road. Trayvon dare got some MHM constructive criticism over the weekend. Let's see how it performs. Yes I did so in. Tokyo Brown is releasing a rap. Music video have you seen this show before before he teased it. He tweeted each tweeted. No more white woman and in twenty twenty one music the music video features lots of white women not wearing may not wearing much close and lots of money on the ground him ripping rippin the guitar. So I'm curious if any like any athletes have ever had a successful rap career. Can you think of any John. I'm watch okay okay. So it's it's it's called no more white women I think that's the album name is name. No more white women twenty twenty so okay so so do we know why there are a bunch of white women dress scantily clad and. He's he's playing a guitar and you can clearly tell you as fucking idea how to play guitar fool. Does anyone know the back story to this this ridiculous or you know we listen this guy. This guy is the rockall nets alisyn he is bordering on mental instability. He he went from the greatest player at least had his position in the NFL arguably in the NFL to this making a music video called no more are white. Girls are no more white women with a bunch of white women and he's wearing white and he's playing a guitar and he doesn't WanNa play guitar. I just think this is. This is great not the great in my that rate in. I'm happy to see it. You know I what I meant to say after great. This is a great example of the fame monster. Right you get famous your ego blows up you act like a baby you think the world revolves around you in then when the world kicks you in the Dick and and you realize it doesn't revolve around you. You're still convinced it revolves around you so you do stupid shit like this. That only diminishes your oh chances of ever stepping on a football field where you belong ever again. But you're convinced that you're so fucking special that you can do anything in at. This is interesting in that. This is funny and that this is what you should do simply because it garners you attention. This is the prototypical egotistical downfall of anybody who's had fame. It's it's disgusting and he doesn't deserve to be back on a football field again. It's pretty bad man. So you know depending on On those show on a couple of days he was called in for workout with the saints. Actually so it'll be interesting to see how that goes. They're trying to get ready for the playoffs offs but all in all listen all athletes out there. I don't know anyone that's executed a great rap or R&B career that is a fucking actual big time athlete. I mean I can't Metta World Peace Tried Jack had school which the one guy the pulled it off with Shaquille O'Neal because his his couple bars. He had a couple of songs when he was young were. We're actually legit so I would say Shaquille O'Neal is the only one that actually kind of pulled it off in my opinion. I can't think of anyone else. That was even fucking close. I think he's a Dj now to I think he wears a mask. And he's like one of those deejays that wears masks and I literally believe yeah. I believe. That's that's amazing and I believe that because he actually doesn't musical town. I think I think dion try this. I think fucking Kobe. Kobe tried it. It's not yeah I think they all now. Hey we'll give Kobe credit. Though then he will he won like a an emmy or something for the things that he's an emmy what. Yeah for for the things he's doing with content and in children's books and things of that nature so he has done some creative stuff. It's pretty amazing but when it comes to sing in a rapid Shaquille O'Neal you to king. Oh boy so when you guys hear this statement what comes to mind decisions that are based strictly on pure passion. Dangerous one hundred percent. I think that's one hundred percent accurate. Everybody is passionate about the things they enjoy in life and if you make decisions based on just what you enjoy and just what you love like. There's an element of like fairy tale to that and I'll put put it in context with an example so I think like for a lot of males and females but females especially like after they graduate college and stuff and let's say they meet a guy and they're dating someone I think like the really passionate about taking the next step logically in their mind because they've been groomed though their whole life to to do this and that next step is getting married so like they're super passionate about following that path. I I graduated High School Graduate College. I have a good job now now. It's time to get so. They're really passionate about that idea but what they're not looking at the health of the relationship right. The fact that they're boyfriend doesn't come home some nights and it doesn't really make sense but like the passion is to have their life followed. This fucking timeline. That their whole family wants them to and they feel they'll will be accepted in society if they do so. So that's like that's like the passion talking without looking at truth or objectivity I think passion in could lead you into good decision making but once your passion takes you there then you have to vet a decision and when you vetted decision you have to look get all aspects of it you have to look at it from all angles. You cannot just look at it from the angle of on passionate about this okay. That's where it starts. That's not where it ends. The question is does it. Pass the bullet test. Everyone who's listening for a long time to the show knows that I think if there's ever an idea that that you wanna act on you should take the smartest person you know and you should say okay. Try to start shooting bullets in this idea. And if all the bullets start start bouncing off few and they cannot shoot holes in it. That means it's a good idea because there are smart person you trust them and the idea is is proof and you should probably move forward with it but if someone can shoot holes in it and you realize it's just rooted in passion and not any analytical or objective thought then it's dangerous. Yeah I think I go through a a pros and cons analytic Kinda look just kinda you know mimic what Johnny said and the things that I'm passionate about have been things that I've done for work pretty much my entire career. I've been blessed to that. But it's easy to be blinded by something that's on your passion but your hobby and things you dreamed about in all these things get caught up in the objective of actually. You're building a business making money. Don't get it twisted. There's a there's a component of wanting to be happy but it also has to make sense like if it doesn't you know it doesn't make sense it just doesn't make sense doesn't matter if you fucking love love it or not but there could be a version of it that makes more sense. You know what I'm saying so I think people get in these areas and they're like this is it this is it but if it doesn't line in up well maybe that's not exactly it may be it's really over here to the left just a little bit maybe a dozen it makes more sense when you tweak it this way. Maybe it's not exactly what you're passionate national but it's but at least it's in the ballpark of it right so I think a lot of people don't even get to do half of what they do every day to be straight with you and that if you're in the Ballpark ballpark and you can evolve it towards where you're ultimately want it then. Yeah that's that's a good. I think goal but at the end of the day you have to look at pros cons and analytics addicts if they're available in some in some type of gut feeling too. I think there's there's a little version of that All over the place by like Janis third-party idea if you go to somebody third party that doesn't have an interest in your industry. That's actually outside of your industry. Maybe doesn't even understand all the components of it. I think that's a that's a really really good indicator they keep shooting bullets at it. And you got all the answers not from a standpoint of like ego standpoint of of room fo- for for Sherman and I to be before you jump in trae. I think this goes way beyond career. Fields to the question was making decisions. Just based route and passion was it was at the full context. Yes it was. Yeah Yeah so yeah I mean you have to look at at this not only in your professional life but in your personal life it applies about. Yeah for sure. So do you guys see age as a barrier when it comes to communication absolutely but I think it is your barrier to overcome. I think there is things that are fair in life and there are things that are unfair. Unfair in life that you must come to accept if you want to succeed or excel. So it's not fair that someone judges a twenty one year old on their age and when they speak to them they don't speak like the twenty one year old is as smart or as informed now. That's not technically fair but that is reality reality in a lot of situation so you can get mad about the reality or you can accept the reality. So you're the twenty one year old that learns to accept that reality and stops worrying worrying about other people. Judging them you understand you have a task on your hand and it's to garner the respect of individuals when you talk to them so so they look past your age and they can actually hear your words. They can hear your knowledge so when you do that that's that's completely a sign sign of maturation and growth. Because you're not saying this isn't fair so much of life in so many steps on the ladder. Her of success are not fair. But it's the ones who accept that this is just how it is. I have to just deal with this and it makes you better right so for that twenty one on your old. In this example they learn how to look people in the eye more they learn how to talk slower they learn how to become a chameleon and speak differently to people from I'm different backgrounds different ethnicities. They're learning the whole time. Every other twenty one year old is saying it's not fair. I'm being judged on the fact that I'm twenty one the twenty one year old. WHO's not worried about being judged and is simply worried about getting through to people is literally leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else but it's because they get it they get it the fact that they're upset about it doesn't take you anywhere doing something about it does so? Oh Yeah I I. I believe situations like that happen all the time in so many different ways when it comes to being successful and it's the smart ones ones that end up being successful because they don't get upset about it they do something about it. Yeah I mean I think both of us battled this rage on off and on on for years I think it comes down to not only would be judged for age but be judged for the way that we look or how we operate in. So I think that you start to learn how to articulate accumulate Your craft or your knowledge or your passion and a proper way in a chameleon type you know spot no matter who you're talking to and understand that you you know to get what you want or to get your point across or two I guess not even like hard flex but just showcase what you are about what you know. I think it's really important to you're almost like you're not trying to impress people. But you're just showcasing that you might be twenty two but I've already ready done this and know this and so when there's a spot to insert your knowledge in a professional way. That's the way that you do it. And then it does does Garner respect unless Haters which I mean we run into that too but at the end of the day when I would do this these type of things in a professional manner when I was younger after I would have in get the respect from people like all. This do doesn't know what he's doing. He only been in business like three four years. But Jeez like you know this person who lost weight and this other person game I'm a great testimonial when I know him from the community like I went through this a lot. You know being a person that had his own gym. Well we'll call closet at a treadmill dumbbells but personal training the studio at twenty years old. I battled this like crazy and I had to lean on over delivering on service understanding the craft left at what I knew at that point which is by the way. When you're in fitness? You know mostly way more than the general public that even when you're twenty years old if you just half half Ascott together there and Yeah I battled this a lot but I think there's a huge communication barrier but you can flex it with proper knowledge in in the right timing. Yeah man and I I I think a lot of times you don't even need to you. Don't even need to flex because I think sometimes when people try to flex you know Info or data or knowledge it comes off like trying to flex it when I think young people who understand that they got a long road ahead of them to get to where they want to go I think they regardless of the scenario I just think they speak on the same plane as others who may be way older or way more successful muscle and if you could speak on the same plane and if you can hang with them you're going to get the respect. I think trying to get people's respect isn't isn't maybe the best way to go about it but just being able to hang in a higher level conversation because you're a student of your craft and and you've been paying attention to those above you. I think is what every young career minded to be successful. The individual has to do. Yeah maybe flexible. The wrong word because what I was trying to explain was what you just said that when when the roundtable comes to you don't don't be afraid to You know articulate yourself in that situation in the proper way that hangs in the conversation especially if you live it no it you don't be don't look bashful. Yeah exactly like if you know you know it and it comes off real. It's not like if you rush into something and you're talking over somebody just because you want to be the person that says you know everything. Yeah you're Fox like Jon said if you do your way and you know your shit then people will just give you know like okay. This is. It's up right so the Dow Jones is at a record high this year. Some guys is opinion is on the market currently the so the market currently currently is to me. It's scary but I've been saying this for six months so I think it's a great example of. Don't listen to anybody anybody when it comes to the stock market always do your own research. the Nasdaq. Just past. Nine thousand. I think it was yesterday which is a a record heard. Hi Everything's at record highs. Dow's almost twenty nine. I think Johnny which is crazy correct and I just. It's not that I feel like American. Businesses are going to take a downturn nosedive. It's that if there is a second term mm of trump. I think he's going to be able to do a Lotta things He'll be emboldened to do a lot of things that he may be hasn't done in his first. First term this trade war stuff with China that I think that's just an indicator. I'm not talking about that but when you have someone who's extremely unpredictable and for those of you who have not been around the markets for long. It's not just about earnings. It's not just about profit. It's not just about EBA. It's about stability. Stability in the global economic economy and America leads the global economic economy and when the leader of America. You know says one thing on Monday and a different thing on Wednesday it could potentially have major effects on the market market now. He's been inconsistent verbally over his term and the market has kept going up and people have kept making the money. But I'm in a position now like just from like where I'm at if I'm going to give any advice were I'm peeling money off the table from gains. Because says I just I'd rather peel it off the table with everything at record highs and someone who is non predictable than just keep it there because I I just listen if you had money in the market you're up you're up period. So I I believe in taking profits. I believe in being agile as as an investor. Yeah I've done One it's wild to see it at this point because I remember when I was raising capital and my first this business in two thousand nine it was at the Dow was like eight thousand one at John or something that went down to like six something. Yeah Yeah so so. I remember number since I've being been paying attention to the stock market. I've seen it go up. Twenty thousand points now. I wasn't heavy invested in outside of my own business business but I've just experienced a kind of being around money that that that time span and outside of just being a personal trainer actually being in the market and what's interesting is in the last twenty four months. I've probably been the heaviest in the market of my career but also done And I like John gave me this advice along time ago. He's like look when I'm up. A certain percentage pretty much on any stock. A Lotta Times. I'll peel back in either. PUT IT in cash. Diversify to another stock and I've done a lot of that over this year because yeah if you're in the market you're up twenty percent right at least in that's even with you had some fuck ups and I'll I'll see if like something's up times fifty percent sixty percent. Some of these talks a one hundred percent this year exactly so I would take what I call house money and go and diversify into other stuff and usually what I do is and this is. I'm very new to this. But I'm I'm huge on dividends that's what I've been investing housing in so a lot of these stocks grow slower but what I usually do. Is I get some house money to play with. I'll diversify into some more aggressive stuff so I look I like this. I'm up up. Four five six eight grand and a certain stock. I might take four of it off the table and go buy a higher dividend yield stock or something else that I I think has a a an aggressive upside to it and so I look like I'm playing with some house money especially with the market being up like it is Anyway it's been it's been a good year but like Johnny said he's been saying this for six months. How long? How long can it be like this for? and that's what everybody thinks like. Is it too good to be true. Is there going to be us us. You know a correction of twenty thirty points or more. Just remember this time. Last year I bought stock for my kids for Christmas which I was really proud of as a first time that I've have done it now as part of my financial I q change that. I'm attempting to to try. My family and Amazon was thirteen hundred bucks. I I wish I had bought more for myself. L. A. Sherry each for Christmas or thirteen thirty three and last time I looked as about one thousand nine hundred so that goes to show like a year from now a year ago go it was at its low For three years in a three year period fifty two that was at the fifty two week low. I think correct but I think think over year-over-year that had been the lowest had been in a couple years from what I get from what I looked away. It was the lowest of the year for sure. Anyway you know. Hey No one has the answer. That's why it's the bucket when I could tell you in twenty in twenty fourteen. Things were at record highs and they were saying saying the same thing that I that I said earlier but the difference is this is we had a more conventional president so some could argue. Maybe this president better are for the market. A lot of people could argue that because typically Republican who's business who's connected to wanting to deregulate things makes the market market typically stimulated so. Listen I'm no expert. No one's an expert. That's why I believe in peeling money off the table when you have gains John last question on this though. I want your take because it's at record heights going into an election. Does this get him reelected. No doubt it's not like it's is no okay 'cause I just wonder because you know no matter what when people were up they think differently than when they're down and if they're up twenty. Three zero started this this right of record highs and you know that that's reality. He just he started it. And and the train's been continuing upward. So you can make the same argument that well Obama was a democrat. So that means a Democrat should adminis- shoo-in in two thousand sixteen. I think right now. We're dealing with the cult of personality. That's what's going to determine the twenty twenty election in my God is it GonNa let me fucking interesting to see. I know it's really going to be interesting and I. I'm going to say openly on this show that I I am a supporter. I I made my mind up. I may supporter of Andy Yang. That's my anying really. Yeah I'm not. I'm not a guy. That's that's most people most people aren't but but he's picking up steam. He's a businessman. He's very relatable or early to mid forties and he's very practical and he has new ideas and he doesn't have a lot behind him but he's picking up steam because what he's saying saying is different and it's fresh and he's Smart Young Osco twenty twenty is is does he ain't gang Gangrene no they call it the Yang. I'm listen important. 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So if you don't have a credit card if you just see mountain my first inclination is do not borrow earn by by pay for things but credit cards are a necessity for those who let's say you want want to get a mortgage when they're twenty five or thirty because that's how you build credit but you don't want to use a credit card to buy a lot lot of things so my recommendation to everybody would be to get a credit card. Okay literally get a credit card. I don't care if the limits two hundred fifty dollars that's five hundred bucks folks spend one hundred bucks on it every month. Pay It off on time every month paid off on time every month and that will build your credit slow because what they're looking at is your ability to make payments on time and to repay them see if you just say now man I'm GonNa make my money. Forget credit. You actually get. You get dinged on your credit so for everyone out there who doesn't know how to manage that do not go out and get a ten thousand dollar limit and slap slap. You know seven thousand bucks unless you can pay that off if you can pay off every month fine but credit cards should should should be a vehicle that we use to build our credit score and a good credit score enables you to buy a home by cars. Cars get business loans. You need it you need it but do not use it for frivolous spending please. Yeah what Janis talking about his intentionally attention building your credit with discipline you hear what he said intentionally building your credit and and it's true because John I operated the same way you were. We're brought up to. I think which was you know by and pay or you know make it earn it pay for it and then I went to go financed for my first house and because I was self employed him. Because I really didn't have any credit cards. They were like are you fucking kidding me Rachel who was a teacher who made I think like seven hundred dollars every two weeks literally after she she financed the first house. No Shit and I was making over. One hundred grand as a personal trainer. Couldn't even use my income. They could use my credit score. And I didn't have bad Christ's had no credit in and I was like fuck is R- but because it was a traditional w to secure income Rachel was the one who financed our first house which is only like one hundred fifty grand or something but at the end of the day like a reality check motherfucker. What up felt like damage to get my shit together and I did exactly what John did what he said? I started to buy things for my business. Pay Off on time. Build my credit over time And then you know I've really as an adult have never really carried any credit card debt. I've only had a traditional mortgage morgage previously paying it off or traditional car loans. Because I'm kind of a car maniac but other than that. I don't carry any debt outside of that. What I do like to do is if I'm paying for travel or our airline? I will use it for points and then I pay it off the next month If you're disciplined with that exactly what Johnny said that is the move especially actually because and I know they've outlawed this quite a bit. But it's Kinda Shitty they sit on the college campuses. They get kids. That aren't financially disciplined. They run up a bunch of bills along with their student loans. Then they have a hard time getting out of debt but once again the system set up if you don't partake in credit cards you don't get credit score so it's almost like they're trying signed a fuck you you just gotTa make sure discipline so you don't get fucked. Yeah and you know the one thing. I'll close it with his. You Know Me and you have talked about this banks in lending institutions. They don't care about a big income. They care about reliability and predictability. They would rather loan money to the guy or Gal who's been making ninety thousand dollars on the same W to for twelve years than the guy who made seven hundred twenty thousand on one business last year two hundred ninety three on another business but every year their incomes coming from different places and their cash heavy and they have a ton of money in their bank. They would rather loan to the person that has twelve years of W. Two income at ninety thousand dollars than someone who may have have five million in liquid in the bank because they can see exactly where the money's coming from they can do their equation and that's in that's what what makes banks and lenders comfortable and it's a really weird feeling because I've been on the other side and you feel like what am I missing. Something no no they want predictability. That's it the longer. Your income is predictable and they can see it and there's no bizarre. I mean literally like they'd rather have you make ninety thousand dollars on a W. Two and not get a twenty five thousand dollar distribution. I'm from a company. You own a little bit of because that twenty five thousand. What's that wire were come from? Why do you have that like literally? They'd rather not have you make one hundred fifteen fifteen assuming that twenty five plus ninety. They'd rather have you just make that ninety every year and it's and it's the most bizarre thing but just so you know if you start are your own business and you're thinking like most people like dude. I'm GONNA stack a bunch of chips I can get. Money loaned me. No no no. That's how it works enough funny John Because we both went through these these situations most recently. And you're sitting there thinking like I remember asking this question. How do people that don't own their business get the Sun? They're like oh no it's way easier because the what John said they can make literally quarter the amount of money or ten percent of the money that you make doesn't matter because it's predictable and because it's understood see entrepreneurship is still not really understood and you have to remember most the time. The bankers are not note. Not Most of the time all the time. They're bankers because they're not entrepreneurs at all so they don't think like you think they don't understand how to create our fucking an idea and then create a million dollar business and then yeah have multiple businesses paying like they don't have that ability maybe some do but most do not in so when you're laying on the table they're almost thinking like in this motherfucker. Auger really keep this up. Is this for real like whereas criminally eggs. So good at it. It's such a weird you're dealing to think like non mother Fucker outlier Janis and outline. This is what we do is what we've done in done it for a long fucking time by the way in once. Yes you do it more than once. It's not fucking luck. It's skill while the fuckers. But I'm telling you that is that is one of the most frustrating things until most. Recently I found a really good bank to work with but up to that point. I didn't fucking like banks at all. All right back to when employees are presenting ideas to someone higher higher up in the company. What's the best way to present idea to the person higher up like if you were presenting an idea to your boss was the best way to be prepared to present this to them? The best way to be prepared is to. I'm going to go back to what I said earlier. And then kind of your off is to present to somebody outside. Who who you trust? and Noah smart and has some experience in business and see what they say. Because you know a a lot of people do business and a lot of different ways and if you're going to present an idea that could potentially boost your career you definitely want to get some third party input before you do it. So find the smartest person you know presented to them. Take their constructive criticism but when you go and actually do it. I think it's crucial that that you present something always as a in this context as a member of a team. This is going to benefit the team. This is is going to benefit the company by doing this. We're going to be able to cut costs here by doing this as a team. A lot of people think that that moment let's say when they could present the idea to their boss or owner. CEO Whatever that that's their shot to show themselves off you know. Listen the CEO the owner. They know that that idea is coming from you but if you make it sound like it's about you then you sound anti team you sound pro me and nobody in an organization want someone. That's pro me. Everyone unwanted looking for someone. That's pro team that talks about the organization working together. And here's a plan so I just think when presenting denting obviously do your diligence with the smart person. Be As prepared as you possibly can but when you speak words matter dude words matter matter do not use the word I use the word we use. The word team used the word company because even if the idea the is not accepted. You still come off as someone who's just trying to uplift the organization whilst adjoining when when you ask this trae it was in. These are things that I love about the podcast. Sometimes things pop into my mind. I haven't thought about in so many years and when you when you when you said that I thought about I was my first job before coal mining was stacking lumber at a rock cut mill down Burgos Ohio. How out in the middle of nowhere? And one of the guys that I worked with he He got hurt on the job and he was a heated. He did graded lumber. He was different. I was like at the lowest end of the totem pole. avas making like seven dollars an hour literally stacking lumber from like a one to ten every day after I would go community college from eight twelve and I remember that he got hurt real bad so they put him in the office because they said you know what we'll put him in office and Just so he can still be beyond the beyond the job and get something to do with this guy gets in the office and you start seeing some things and rather than Not Presenting sending them may because he was wildly outside of what his normal duties where he was more like a blue collar. Dude and he's in like in with paperwork and seeing what's going on and he starts researching some some things in here. Here's kind of my point when you have cost savings man our savings or analytics all those are kind of wrapped up analytics. And you have some stuff that you really believe leave can benefit the team or the business and you know it like you know it in and out then. That's where I think. A lot of people find their spots and I watched this guy. Jade Smith He was older brother of one of the guys. I graduated high school with Josh Smith. He presented a cost savings on something that they used at the Sawmill on now. I can't remember exactly what it was but it was drums of something. We'll just say oil or something for this huge Arkansas. They had and saved twice the amount out of what they paid him in salary. So this motherfucker not only said hey we go with this company. I already talked to him. We can get it down to this. Here's presenting the same quality or better quality and not only pays for me too by the way. Stay in this job not go back to the thing I was doing before but then also also save you X. amount of thousand on top of it just because he saw spot presented it to the boss. And whether it you know obviously essentially got him a promotion in or made him them take him more serious than a guy who is stacking lumber and that was like probably I mean I'm like nineteen when I see this happen and I saw it happen real time. It's not something that a lot of people you've noticed but to me I was like this motherfucker. Just changed his whole situation because he presented some analytics that made that big of a difference. Prince Two denuding lumber at the sawmill. And so I. I don't know for some reason that story just popped in my head but it definitely made a little bit of effect on me because it made me realize like just because you're not not supposed to be in a spot if you see a fucking clear opportunity and you know it then you gotta take it because that's the way that you progress on yourself or your team or whatever it is so anyway. I thought there'd be some value because there might be some people out there that that see a spot and they're afraid to go grab it because it might not be there area that the end of the day in analytics and analytic so there you go so the end of the year is here and I'm wondering what you guys is. New Year's resolutions are said this time Shawnee Johny. What's your here? Everyone who gets pumped up about a new fucking your your all fucking stupid. You're stupid because all the Shit Utah. Utah this year. I'm GONNA do this. Shut the fuck up because you can start today if I want if I want to do something I can't. I can't understand this shit if I want to do something. I'll do it now if a change needs to be made I'll make the change now if I want to do something different. I'll do something different now. I don't need a date on the calendar to do it. I need personal initiative and if I know it's something that needs to be done I if there's a change within me that needs to change. Why am I going to wait for Jan one to do it? It's just a soft soft mentality. It's the metality of losers. It's a loser fucking mentality. How are you going to judge your life in year gaps? You got got a judge your life in days because that's all we're guaranteed like it's so it's so it's so weak when I think of New Year's resolutions is I think of week people. You're fucking week because of something needs to be done and needs to be done today. Why are you wasting time? You know what I'm sank. I just I just cannot relate to it. I don't want to relate to it and it reeks of fucking weakness. John that was amazing. I I just can't stand it. I don't really yeah. I mean I set goals in calendar years or quarterly. But there's not I don't really look at it like a resolution then I think resolutions are kind of like kind of a week. Set up goal. That people never usually get all the way through. I think that a a lot of people think there's like Jon said you really can start things anytime rate and I think a lot of people just think they have to wait till then or they shouldn't start December twenty percents lazy. They're lazy they're lazy thought about March and then they said Oh. This is my New Year's for twenty twenty. What about those nine months? He's talking nine months it's lazy. It's week it's our culture. It's soft it's white. You do not have what you want. It's why you're you're not successful because you're fucking Lazy Dude. Your resolution should be start today. I can't even add anything. Take the jobs read called. Why does it have to be a new years? Yeah I feel that John. I think that's I think the biggest point is that you don't have the way on a made up. Calendar Year that you can do it if it needs to be done and you know it's weight loss or fucking this or that. Whatever exactly? Hey you were in the gym visits. John was ninety. percent of January. Memberships stopped showing up after the third week of January. It's a loser's mentality. It's a week mentality. A winners mentality is today. It's you ask yourself why not today. Yeah why not. Why not today here? You go medicine so for these people that do set up resolutions. Then what are some way. Yeah what are some ways that they can scale them so they can actually like they can actually execute them they can execute them. Because we're pussies do you want to fucking real answer there fucking pussies they can execute them. That's why they're waiting for this for this great day after after waiting on it waiting on it and then you know crystals going to have the party. Hats and Mike is going to buy the champagne. And then we're GonNa Watch football and then but that's actually January first so we're gonNA wait till the January six to start riding the elliptical bike. Because I'm I'm five foot three and two hundred and twenty pounds and you know my goal is to get down to one sixty and I'm a woman you know. These people aren't going to reach their fucking goals because they're soft breath they're not gonNA reach their goals so if you want to reach a goal do it today or ask yourself this question. Why can't I do it today? In the answer truthfully trip they're not gonNA reach their goals because they wait for a new year to set a goal. They're not they're done they. They're weak they need. They need an intervention. They need a therapist. They're trying to take the MIC from you. Johnny listen I think you know. There's obviously a huge percentage. John said that that come in January hot and heavy on any type of resolution. But they're not really putting the things around around them. That need to help them. Actually actually like Jon said whether whether it's digging deeper reason why you haven't executed to this point at all right. Why did you wait? There's all these things of live lack discipline to this point in your life in you know this is not two thousand. Twenty is not going to be any different unless you change other items not just come up with US gives me my voice cracked as amazing. Not Not just come up with an actual resolution just because it's the cool thing to do so I would just say at the end of the day. What what I what I've interpreted interpreted from? Janis talk he just punched tuna face. You gotta dig a little deeper on why you haven't achieved these things in the first place. Try to put some of those things around some of your new goals so you actually can get what you want to think about in any of the businesses that we operate if we waited if we knew something something needed to be fixed and we waited till January first to fix it we go out of business. Our competitors would destroy royal us and it'd be because we destroyed ourselves from the inside out because our frame of mind in our corporate culture with fucking riddled with weakness. It applies to personal. Yeah that's true and it is. I agree with you. John like in a less aggressive way. But it's it's I have a hard time my dentist too because I change multiple things all the time through the year and try things and commit the things i. I just have a hard time identifying but I think that there's guys like us Johnny. That are meant to help people that are tween irs on things like this where they need punched in the face a little bit to get over the top so they can get stronger and get where they want. And I think that there's you know real talk like people need to hear what you just said but also hear that. Hey if you you go dig deep that you can go get what you want. You can change your mentality but you have to toughen up and look deeper than just a minute to start going to the gym All of a sudden twenty twenty s going to be no different than twenty nineteen or eighteen or seventeen. Lsu change some of these other items because people can change you know you know what in relation to this you know. There's someone far better than me. That can talk about this this mentality. And it's fucking David. Goggin go to his go to his instagram channel. And think about this topic go to his and just think about this topic and then come fuck and tell me. I'm extreme. Yeah no it's the fuck and he's done an amazing being job of related in his way is the best is the best buy cool. Let's wrap it up Johnny. There's some fucking hot social the media. I can't wait. Oh boy a John Real talk though. This was an amazing raising year podcasts overall I just feel like we poured ourselves out into these Mike's Multiple Times. There is laffin hyphen. There was I was choking back tears from time to time. I think that the feedback that we got from you guys as listeners just overall like our dedication into not missing Because we know what it not only does for us but others who listen. It's just it's just really enjoyable and man it was. It was a great year. podcasting Bro I I I agree. It's always a pleasure to do this. And to just have some time reserved for real talk and the fact that people can share it with us makes it even better. Yes Oh cool so once again. A Today's episode is AH brought to you by ZAP your dot com Zap dot com slash biceps. You can get fourteen day free trial check them out and without further do Johnny Vasco g can the podcast the podcast. Aw Aw see slim The core.

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 533: Raiders Get AB (3-11-2019)

GSMC Sports Podcast

48:47 min | 1 year ago

GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 533: Raiders Get AB (3-11-2019)

"This is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports, the Golden State media concepts or podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA to MMA? It's all in here. The Golden State media concepts sports Bod cast, listen. Lowered in welcoming the GMC sports podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jeff Mallon off. Happy monday. Everybody will is there at least it's a happy Monday. Probably not. But whatever we got a lot of talk about with this weekend. My gosh. Oh, my a lot happened. Of course in Tokyo Brown being traded to the Oakland Raiders that will be our main topic of discussion for the show. Well, all stop let some other surprising cut since that happened this weekend for the NFL osteo basketball and the Golden State Warriors in their big question. Mark going into their you know, we can also bring up some NHL stuff as the playoffs are looming. Very very shortly with that as well. So we got a lot of interesting stuff had an we of course, like NBA NHL both heading new playoffs. And we've got the poll football off season. In Wednesday's the beginning of the official next season. So on exciting things happening so rescues go right in. Knew it first things first Antonio Brown has been traded to the Oakland Raiders for a whopping third in fifth round pick. So in on paper. It looks like the raiders stole in Tokyo Brown from the Pittsburgh Steelers. But when you think about it. Antonio Brown was almost like holding the Steelers hostage if you will to me because he's like he's like he basically said, I'm not gonna play for you. He wanted a trade, and they're already gonna have his money like in dead cap. I know what that trade they have I think like twenty three million dollars in dead cap because of the trade, but it seems to me that he was thinking of if they weren't going to train into a new Brown that season like this offseason before the season began. I think it would have been like some I think Tony Bryant would have done the same thing on bell. Did I think he would have set out the seasons legality wanted? I think that's what the Steelers tune want a second Levy on bell issue. Because now they had the last season Levy on bells career with the Steelers wasted. Because obviously, he's not gonna go back there. So now they've lost Tonio Brown an Levy unveiling the same offseason, which is a huge boby is arguably there the two of the best there. Positions respectively. You can say easily Brown's top-five easily Levy on his top five at one point in their careers. You can say they were number one as of right now, if you look at the running back position, I think number one goes to Todd Gurley or at least you either Todd Gurley or maybe. Like, well, I would say cream haunt boat. That's a big question. Mark now. And you know, it just it just seems kinda run away with the whole running back situation. And then wide receivers you have Dante Hopkins is becoming a man of his own L very good elite twice receiver. You have also Julio Jones who is a beast in himself the maven put the play Jay green in that top five as well. Arguably, I know he's been kind of rattled with injuries, but he still very talented wide receiver. Mike Evans is be getting better. And better as the years go on as he's getting older. He's getting better. He's still very young. So there's tons of attention bear. And then it goes on from there. But although you also put digs and feeling and all those other guys they are too. There's tons of very talented wider series right now. But in Tony Brown was at the top of that list. I one point can you put him in over one. Now, probably I could see some people doing that, obviously. But if you put like John Hopkins number one, I don't think people would be up. Set. I don't think people be like that's ridiculous. I think that's a logical. Assumption or a logical opinion based on how talented he is. And then you can also say he'll Jones is at that level. And number one, which I don't think anyone would argue. But you could also argue like he was limited in his touchdown passes early in the season to like middle late season. He was getting some touchdown grabs. But regardless he's still a top three receiver in the NFL. If you have to put a top three if I might top through series are definitely Hopkins Brown and Jones. So definitely losing guy. Like that an lose again like Bill for the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's looking dim honestly for the Steelers this season. I like they didn't make the playoffs this year. I don't think I think we've talked about this. They've never really missed the playoffs back to back years before in the past. But you know, in my be that time it might happen. I honestly see it as a very real possibility and losing two elite players like that is probably the worst case scenario that could have happened. Obviously, everything was looking downhill. But who do you blame in this? Do you blame the two guys that left or do you blame the guy that staying in Ben rob this burger because when you're looking at it to your trail, you had bell Brown and Rothlisberger? You had a one of the best trios the NFL something that should have been dominated for many many years in theory. Of course. Because talented each three players are and how good they've all done together. If they just let some egos aside, they could have done something. Great and. Then you looking at was this whole been office burger is this is this his. Is this because he's kind of? How do I explain this without being like slammed hurrying? I'm more of sand. The long lines of. I think he has some sort of superiority complex because like Penn Rothlisberger has said in the past. He has earned the right to criticize players in the media, which you know, one ever has that right in my opinion. You should never criticize those players in the media. You should criticize them to their face in the locker room in a privacy is happy things. So you can work it out as a team not go behind their backs in the media. So everyone else hears about it. So with him saying that in him just seeing everyone a follow him and he's the leader of the team. But yet he is shown no leadership off the field with his antics and his multiple charges that women filed against him and his trouble with like not paying bar tabs. And just being like what people say like off the field. You just jerk. This is other people's opinions on him. It just feels like he's not a leader in my mind. So with that being said. That could also be the key reason these two one out of Pittsburgh. Well, I know the reason bell wanted out Pittsburgh, it's because the money I think that was probably the big thing there. But with that being said, I think based off the other things that have happened. It's. Also, we've Antonio Brown, and he probably was getting money. He was already getting paid who's kind of Houston under contract that he was in in extension type year. But with this happening, I think Ben wrote this is one of the key reasons that Antonio Brown wanted out. It just seemed that they weren't fit together. And he has said his piece of Ben Rothlisberger. And he's not the only one that said negative things by bender office. Burger Ben Roethlisberger is rubbed a lot of guys the wrong way on his team. Even some legendary players like Hines ward has had trouble with them. And my question is is this a sign of like, maybe Ben Rothlisberger is not who we say is like everyone says, oh he's one of the best quarterbacks in the game. Yes. He's talented. Absolutely. But he's. Cancer is he not I think legitimately. I think legitimately. He's one of the guys that is the reason why so many guys leave. I'd look at this. It's just it's just absurd that you losing Tonio Brown annuals, heavy on bell. And you lose into run for pennies on the dollar a third and a fifth round pick. That's nothing. Like, those are they could end up being amazing picks. But they're not very. Sore before they're not very. How do I explain this? They're not attractive in the market for trading. Like, you're not saying when the third round pick is open for business. You're like, oh everyone's gonna go out for that. No. That's not true at all. They're gonna be like all right. I'll can't that. That's part. That's like a a bottom tier trade option. Just to add onto a trade. You know, what I mean, it just feels like more along the lines of just? Adding onto a draft or adding onto a trade like I'll trade you for first round pick for him at a third round pick. And you gotta deal. You know, what I mean, it just feels like it just one of the things you just add last-second in there like okay, fine deal at the end of it. So with that being said with that being said. With the trade happening Antonio Brown. Honestly, there's got to be a guy to blame for this. And how this all went down. And honestly, I just I just think that's Ben Rothlisberger. I think Ben Roba's sugars to blame the long run. And I'll I'll stand by that fact to be completely honest with you. That's just my personal opinion with that. And. But in Tony Brown gets what he wants. He wanted about eighteen to twenty million per year contract adding onto his current contract. Like get a little bit in extension going. And boy, oh boy. Did he get what he wanted per NFL network source? It is being reported that he will receive a reward contract that covers three years in pays fifty point one million dollars with a maximum value. Fifty four point one million dollars in incentives with thirty point one of it guaranteed. First of all, I don't know why I went to point one. I don't know why the point one was such a crucial thing. But sure, I mean if you wanted at that point won't be my guest, so he gets his fifty million dollar contract. I believe that is the highest writing series ever gotten. And thirty million guaranteed is also that's over half of his half of his pay. So with that contract. He gets what he wants. But the question is. Is this was this? All right move by the raiders or in the long run does. The raiders going to regret this. Not trading those picks. That's not there. I think there's not the regret that's going to go down. I think maybe this massive contract that paid for a wide receiver a positional player not saying that he's not worth it. He's obviously a very talented player. And what I'm saying is like is this going to their cap space in the future is just going to fix some like, it just seems like it's a lot of money to get rid of. And they're still trying to get after. Levian bell. I know they they might be able to do it. I'm not sure, but. To me just seems more along the lines of just like a lot of. Unanswered questions off this trade. Does this make you in them favorite? Because honestly, this goes to one one thing for sure that I know this is gonna be the most pressure on is Derek Carr. If Derek Carr has a sub par blow average season like he's had. Does this mean like he's like the one the worst cordray is the NFL? He obviously won't if he if he struggles this season with Antonio Brown. I don't think there's any excuse of his down play at the end of bet, you know, it just seems to me that there's a lot of. People on dare cars case, always not worth the money. He's worth and. Yes, granted a one solid season in that should not be where you get for contract. I mean, you can say the same Jimmy Garoppolo honestly. But. Looking at it. It just feels to me that if Derek Carr struggles with Antonio Brown is a wide receiver. He's done. He he's he's done in rings. He's done circles. He's just done because there's no way you can you can no way. You can explain yourself out of that one. Like, honestly, he's had not the best receiving core. So I'll you give him the benefit of the doubt almost. But again, then he goes in does. And if he goes in struggles once again. In this circumstance with this team. But the excuse there. Exactly there shouldn't be an excuse for him to struggle like this with a guy of that talent. And it just seems the pressure is more on dare card than anybody else. That's just my total opinion on the deal. So with that being said. The question is will the raiders continue their good that they said they're going to continue to push for levian bell. Will they get it? I don't know. Because was a reason in theory. Like, do you does he wanna be one of those guys that ends up back in that? Been debate within Tonio Brown, and he's like another the two divas if you will I guess you can say as an argument like do they wanna be playing together? Again, who knows what the outcome. That's going to be. But it seems to me they that the raiders are dark horse. If you will for acquiring Levy on bell. But it still seems to me that the jets are going to be the ones that take him because I think they have the most money to give and they're willing to give it. So with that being said also. Does this make so with the trade going to internal by row? Quick. Does this make him the raiders contender for the AFC west? Just just just the AFC west. I say, no. The chiefs in the chargers are just too good right now to have just a wider suggested elite wide receiver put you over the top to help on the defensive side you still need help on the running game. You still need help on the offense. Lenny you just traded one of your offense alignment to the jets. So you're you're down offense lineman is well, they still need so much work to get better. So I hope Antonio Brown's okay. With being at the bond bottom tier player or not bought into your players cues me a bottom tier team because I don't think they're getting out of the AFC west because it's too talented on the top. And with that being said, you also are looking at the facts of. Like. Willing. Tony Brennan, like intern LeBron's now, we're really the guy that you can see handling losing very, well, obviously. But then I think honestly, the money's gonna help obviously. But I don't know it just we'll see how he reacts when the raiders don't make the playoffs. I that's my prediction at least. Because I can honestly see them not making the playoffs. I don't see a big opportunity, maybe not opportunity. I just don't see it. As a logical reasoning for that to happen. Because the fact how talented to the west is how good the chiefs are how good the chargers are not sound good. The Broncos are I mean, Joe flacco might be better than case keenum. Of course. I mean, and they feel Lindsey there. FC west is strong. So it's be harder than they think. Antonio Brown's not going to be like saying oh Super Bowl like they have to do so much more than just that. So. With that being said, we'll take a short break when we come back. We'll do a little bit of MBA talk. And then go back into football talk at the third segment, but we gotta talk a little bit. But the NBA and questions about the warriors, of course. But before I actually end this segment. We'll just do a breach talk about the NHL for the moment. Because it just it just feels like it's the right thing to talk about as we already. Have. We have our first team to make the playoffs in the Tampa Bay Lightning. No surprise there because they are miles out of everyone. They have one hundred and eight points at the moment compared to their second place. Atlanta division rivals the Bruins with ninety three. So just they got in the playoffs. The only team that's in the playoffs before that's clinches. Spot is the lightning. So obviously, they're going to be the presidents trophy winner. The best team in the regular season. But there is a little bit presidents trophy curse. Because I don't I don't really recall the last time. Presidents trophy winner won the Stanley Cup. The last time it actually happened was in two hundred twelve twenty thirteen season when the Chicago Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup. So with that being said. And that year, they had only seventy seven points. Oh, it was a shortened season. I believe. Due to the there was probably a lockout back then. Right. Yeah. Delayed from original J, twit lockouts. That's when they'll hand seventy seven points. Okay. That makes more sense. So with that being said and then before the twenty twelve season when the Chicago Blackhawks when the Cup. It was oh seven away win Detroit won the Cup being the presidents trophy winner. But since the president's trophies winners inception in one thousand nine hundred five. Eight times has the winner been a Stanley Cup champion and the last after the Blackhawks wanted that team has not made it to the Cup since the closest the presidents trophy team has made it since twenty thirteen is the conference finals and that was the Rangers in two thousand fourteen. So there's a little bit of a what's the word? I'm looking for. There's a bit of a lull with the. With the. Presidents trophy winners. So we'll see how Tampa Bay does. The obviously are looking very good going into the end of this season. So it's not crazy to think they can win it. All I always see they're going to be the favorite. But again, eight times since one thousand nine hundred five has a team. With the presidents trophy won the Stanley Cup. So it's not it's not guaranteed by any means. It's almost not gay. It's almost like a be careful winning this. You know, and we'll see how this all goes. But I just wanted to give a little bit of a little live at the presidents trophy and good luck to Tampa Bay in the playoffs. The first and only team at the moment to be in the in the Stanley Cup playoffs pretty early too. So all things considered. But. We're going to we're going to take that short break. Now when we come back. We'll talk about the NBA in the warriors question Mark after their loss last night. We'll get round that when we return. Are you looking for the very best NFL and college football podcast? Then check out the GSM see football podcast. Get the latest football move both on and off the field from the NFL draft to treats to the rumor mill to the NFL combines they got you covered. That's GSM. See podcasts dot com slash football. Dash podcasts. Get updates. I'm college rivalries. Keen day, insights and much much more. It's football talk. The way you want. It this show, eat, sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like on Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit yes, MC podcast dot com. For more info. Welcome back. Everyone of the DSM sports podcast. Just finished taco at the Tonio Brown raiders situations was love you bell where he is future lies. So with that being said, let's to the NBA the warriors last night lost to the sons. Yes, that's right. The last place in the Western Conference sons who are in the running for on. I think everyone knows that by now. And with that being said the question remains. Will not the question because the sun's actually did beat the bucks this week as well. So the last team in the Western Conference actually beat the two first place teams and their respect to conferences. So that's extremely impressive to be completely honest with you. And it's very impressive. No doubt about it. But obviously, it's kind of too little too late for them. Like, I don't think they're officially eliminated from the playoffs yet. You can't be this early in this point in the season. But definitely like point zero one percent shot type thing. So with that being said, let's talk about kind of the warriors right now as they law. They were the team lost to them at home. And they're kind of there's kind of multiple things going on right now. I'll start with Klay Thompson. He said the fans should have been more into it as in. They were like yours was like blaming them for the loss of fell. Like like his words like the fans should have been more invested the fans, two games more energy defense should be more upbeat and with that he wanted more from the fans, and I have to say. When you have to MVP's on your team. The one of the best centers in the NBA in Marcus cousin suspending achilles injury defensive player of the year. Multiple defensive player of the year injury mongering a first team defensive player. And yourself who is a great player in his own, right? Blaming the fans for their. How do I say this blaming the fans for their enthusiasm being lack thereof? You gotta be kidding me. First of all, they're all taking you guys for granted most likely, that's just my opinion. They're so used to winning now that they think you guys can beat anyone should be going eighty to know and the Ernie. No, you're going to get to the finals. Anyways this ruined. This loss doesn't really affect any of them. And of course, probably fifty percent had doing know who the main players were before the this flash pillars duo of you in Steph before you guys were great. And honestly, you can probably ask people. And they don't know. You know, what round you were the what you're you're drafted. I'm going to be honest with you. So at that being while I'm saying like, I'm not going to say a majority. I'm going to say there's a good chunk of bandwagon fans in that in that arena. Probably. And with that being said, you just gotta look at the fact that like, why are using them as a scapegoat? You're you're using them as a scapegoat. This is the worst. You say is the worst loss you happen? All season, you're saying USA fans were more into it. But you have the talent and the chemistry on the court to beat anybody on any night. And when you don't you blame the fan base, his that's what I got from this. He's taking he's acting more from the fans I took it as like he blamed the fans for not giving them enough energy to win the game. And I think that's a little a little much, and you know, Klay Thompson, you've all you've won multiple NBA championships. Your team has broken the record for most wins in a season. And. You are considering the league player, but we really don't know if you can be an elite player without to MVP's in defensive player of the year next to you. And with that being said, I'm not saying he's bad. I'm just saying maybe he has more to prove than the other guys, do my personal opinion. And you know, we all know the warriors are going to make a run to the finals. I think they're they're still without question. The absolute guaranteed finals the final favorites, regardless. How anyone else does they're still going to be the favorites? Just because how dominant they've been out dominant. They are as a team itself. Yes. They have all the talent. But they also have the chemistry which also makes it into a which also makes it into a dynamic force. So I just think of it more along the lines of you. I just don't think he should be talking about that kind of thing. He should not be saying, oh, the fans should be more into it. Well, maybe you should when maybe you should just not worry about what the how the fans are reacting and worry about your play on the court. Yeah. You had a pretty good game against the Suns. But you know, a loss is a loss. Take it take ticket on the chain and move on. But I don't know. I just don't like it. When when players call out fans for the energy if a fan is like saying if the fans are cheering guy injured and they go off on them saying that's disrespectful. I totally get that or they're Channing something highly offensive that makes sense to you wanna your voting your frustration at the fan base for like saying something that should not be talked about especially in your personal life. I get that kind of thing but being upset with them for their energy. That is not the problem at all that should not be something that distracts you that should not be something that was on your mind as you're playing the game. Because then that makes you we needs lead distracted player because if the energy of the crowd is what's affecting your play. Not not. And like what the things are said to you. When you're off when you're off the court or on the court L way doesn't affect you. Then that shouldn't affect you. I think he. Klay. Thompson was is. It is. I just don't think calling out your fans like that. After a loss is a good idea because they they can easily take that the wrong way and say, he's frustrated with them and such like that. So you know, it just feels like more along the lines of. Move on clay don't be upset at the fan base for being Quantico. Not that into it. So whatever. As is like, I said the Suns won this game. They beat the bucks earlier this week as well. So they've had a pretty great week being two best teams in the NBA. And you know, the bucks income off. So well either yesterday is they lost to the Spurs one Twenty-one a four one fourteen so. Yeah. The bucks. They lows this sons and lose to the Spurs. I know the Spurs are a little bit better than this. Okay. A lot better than the sons, but still. A tough loss to take their still fifty and seventeen dissolve an amazing record naked finish seaweed sixty plus wins that still possibility. And you know, it just feels more along the lines of just this is probably a hopefully just lost. They can just easily move on from. And so they were multiple upsets yesterday, definitely multiple upsets. One of the major concerns, though was the Mavericks as they lost to the rockets by one point it was a scheme saving blocked by CB three a great play into it. But the real story is Luca Dante. As he neared a triple double nineteen fifteen and nine, but pantley he hurt his knee pop, quote, unquote, pop. So with that being said that is a serious worry. And maybe the Mavericks just pull him for the rest of the season. That's honestly what I should say. Like. Why why risk losing him on an ACL injury or anything like that? When. This season's basically lost. Because look good Donges quote felt like I said he felt a pop in his knee when he suffered the lost. He was going for an uncontested rebound any just felt apartment his knee. That's usually never the best sign. So. This is a little bit troubling. He's dealing with his knee injury. He's getting it evaluated. I believe so you know, how for a couple of weeks at least have not for a couple of games. Still rush him back into the back into the fray because who knows what's going to be the outcome of that. So we just hope for his recovery. And hope it's something serious. It's probably nothing serious. But still something to be concerned with just because when someone says pop it's not the best sign. But oh, I almost forgot going quickly back to the warriors and sons there is a. There is a little clip of head coach Steve Kerr. Because let's say let's say the words of one four other last ten. So that this has been a tough little stretch ahead recently. But. It's if you read his lips eve Kerr's lips I blues during a time out. He said, I'm so effing tired of Draymond. Well, he just he's sick and tired of Raymond Draymond antics. That's basically how he says that. And you know, it was at the end of the game is at the end of the game. You said this it looks. No, no, no, I'm sorry. It was a time out. I apologize wasn't time out. So that being that, I don't know if that should be like, I don't know if I'm over overlooking this or people are overlooking this in a sense. But man that is not something you want your coach saying about one of your starters on a team that's supposed to be favorites to win the win the NBA championship this year for the third straight time. Three Pete it, you know, so that is a depth phone cause for concern. And so well, maybe not cause for concern. But like, let's see where this leads like intrigued like I'm intrigued by how this this is going to play out because could this lead to an exit for Draymond could this lead to? A bad relationship. You know? I don't know. Just when you're coach says, I'm tired of your any says upon his bag. He said to his assistant coach he's like, I'm tired of Draymond basically. I would be like, oh, well, that's not the best of signs if you will. That's kind of concerning to me. And I don't know. I just feel like there's still a lot to be. There's still this is not just the this is not just something that's going to be brushed aside. This is gonna be definitely a topic of discussion for a for the next couple of days. But again when you win only four of your last ten as an elite team. In the NBA D team in the NBA like the the the dominant. No, one can stop you. I'm best in the world type of team. In the NBA because let's face it. That's just how it's going at the moment is that's how dominant they are. That is it's for it's almost like a foregone conclusion that they're winning the NBA title. Like, you don't even need to watch their all season. You still owe. At the end of the day. They're going to win the NBA championship. That's just everyone stop process when they have when you have to at backtrack MVP winner in Steph curry point guard shooting guard, you have one of the elite three point shooters league in Klay Thompson, then at small forward. You have another every Pene Kevin Durant. And then at power forward you had former defensive player of the year and trim on green. Who's also a pass first Ford who who gets a lot of assists in really makes everyone else. Good good around him. And then you have DeMarcus cousins at your center who out arguably is one of the better centers in the game. And. At one point probably was the best center in the NBA. So with that being said. It really shows drives home. The fact like this team is a team you would have on like NBA two K nineteen and going like forcing trades enforcing and having like no salary cap and doing freidan signings. Guinea all these players like it'd be very tough to get all these guys in a two K season mode, redundancy boat, our is nowadays or GM mode. If you will. So that's why you have your own such a high pedestal you're on such high expectations. The warriors are that any little collusion. Like this. Any little problems is going to be elevated times ten. So that being said. This is definitely a low point from the warriors. We'll see how they Steph curry actually said in an interview after the game that this. It was way worse last year. While mean last year, they were second in their conference behind the rockets, and they still won the final. So it's not like, obviously, this is a better situation because her first. Their first in their conference and also drives home the fact that well, they are a few games ahead of the nuggets. And they did beat the nuggets pretty soundly. So they kind of have that momentum of the. The momentum of a dominant team the NBA when you beat the second place team by a ton. I know they still laws to the sons, but. It's still the warriors. So it's not that. It's not a big concern. If you're the warriors, obviously, but. With that being said keep saying that word that being said, I got us out doing that. But with that, I only did it again. Wow. Anyways. Just based off what curse at about Draymond. I don't know how to make of it. But we'll see how it turns out. Maybe they this becomes a thing. Maybe it just it's blown out of proportion. Maybe is going to be. Water under the bridge. Forgot about. But I I kind of understand the extreme was always been the most vocal, I guess of the of the team and the guy that gets the most trouble. If if you will so yeah, that's how I see him in like him, and you can even say Andrea dollar the most animated. Like every time there's a Falaniko dollar. He always looks befuddled. Like how you doing putting a foul me, which is really weird. But trayvon's always been the. Been the character. If you will he's always been the. He's always been. Kind of a drama Queen. If you will. So we'll see we'll see how that all goes. But we are going to take a short break. And when we come back, we'll be talking a little bit more about the NFL in the fridge and tracking that we've seen some more Frazier inciting 's in some potential trades and all this other good stuff, and we right on that. When we return. Check out the show that's built on the m from the UFC two extreme cage. The they got the fights covered. Check out. GSM see 'em podcast. Get the latest news on past or coming fights. Join us as we talked to in about some of the biggest names in MMA past presidents future. When it's the fight game. There's just one show to check out GSM, see podcasts dot com. Backslash M E Dadge podcast. Don't forget to leg. Among facebook. Could follow them on Twitter? Visit GSM see podcasts dot com for more info. GSM? See sports podcasts are finished the day. Here. NFL free agency talk as Wednesay is the beginning of the fresh season. We are in a new era in the will not new era news season and Wednesdays. When all this stuff is officially going to go down. And when we're gonna see all his goods, we're gonna see all the fish things happening regarding contracts traits and whatnot. So with that being on my gosh, go. Okay. So that will move onto the free agency talks that that have already went down. As talking about the Tony around situation. So he's he's with the raiders probably for for the next three years. Obviously if the next few years, but. Danial Dollah was cut by the dolphins recently in a shocking shocking turn of events because he was only there for one year, which I didn't expect him to be cut. So soon because he's like one of the patriot wide receiver slot right is still it was a very. Talented wide receiver. But. Obviously, they didn't feel like you fit with the team. So they cut him loose. And he signed with the lions which lions are in need of a slot receiver. They don't really have one at the moment. So they have a pretty talented one dania Mandola. We'll see how he does with Matthew Stafford and. Seattle that team goes. But it just seems to me this is not a big signing deal. When you're looking about team looking to win it just more along the lines of Amy gaming Stafford another weapon, maybe helping the team in the long run. But to me, this might just be one of those things where you're looking at it and going. They just signed him. It's not that huge of deal. You know? It's like, it's all right. It's it's what it is. What it is. It's just another signing. And you can't say put them into a perspective to win. Now. It's not a win. Now kind of thing. So that's just how I see it at least. With the Rams. Having a lot of defensive in free agency. They keep one of its Dante Fowler, jR, agrees to a one year deal with the Rams he they resigned him before free agency officially opens. There's no full details on his contract at the moment. Or what the deal is? But I'm suing we'll get that information sooner rather than later. Maybe I don't think it's that big obviously to one year deal. So it's not that big of a contract. But I think it's to keep some of your key defensive players know, he didn't have the best. He hasn't had the best like unbelievable seasons or anything of that nature. But it's always good to keep guys of his talent on your squad. And just, you know, just keep them navy. Navy rally also be he's probably like he's a key figure in defensive scheme. So we'll see how that all turns out. They're still trying to get back to Super Bowl in actually win the Super Bowl. So. And with the performance of that defense only one rushing touchdown. Let's face it. The Rams defense did its job in the Super Bowl the offense. Just in hold up its end of the bargain because you Ecorse, they held him to three points going to like they were in halftime or after after three three. So like. The defense should not be the blame in that said scenario. So gotta keep the guys around as much as you can always looks like consumer is good as gone. We'll see how that plays out. But regardless the the Rams keep Dante Fowler for another year. And yeah, that's probably one of the bigger signings at the moment. Because of the fact that. You know, he's just these were the well-known guys on the team, you know, so with that with his signing. And then he and dole assigning. There's also some trade. Rumors going around. Oh, yeah. All one more one more freeze that maybe should we talked about what the laws of cream hunt. The chiefs go after Carlos Hyde as he signed a one year deal with the chiefs. The announced that they are stay signed free. Right. Call aside on Saturday and the height sign a one year two point eight million dollar contract with one point six million guaranteed. So not a bad deal for him off Baseley. And probably something good that the that the. Chiefs could use. I mean losing cream on is is tough. Absolutely. But gaining him with Spencer ware is also a positive positive aspect as well. So I think this is going to be fine. So I don't think they're gonna be missed. Skipping a beat with with the loss of cream hunt. And also one of the surprising signings. Eric will joins the Rams average released by the ravens. And. It was. He signed the Rams had a two year contract with safety. Eric quit on Friday just in that was just days after he was released. So. He was also Ian Rapoport was saying that he was considering tarmac before the deal which carries up to twelve point five million dollars in max value, which seems a lot for a veteran safety of his of of like his age. But you know, maybe if you have that much to burn then you can use it. But yeah, that's another big signing. And then there's also trade talks about de Ford as he was franchise tag by the Kansas City Chiefs that the forty Niners. And I believe it was trying to think there was another team. Also, the Packers were interested in acquiring him in a trade, which may been one of the key reasons they took a franchise tag on. So they could get something out of him in the long run. But again, we'll have to find out how that goes. If that will even go down. However, we'll see. And then there's also just like the forty Niners just seemed to be a lot of with every time. There's been player up for trading. It seemed like the free dinners or one of the team. So they're being the one of those aggressive teams, maybe will work out for them in the long run. But it seems that with the draft macho seems like they're gonna get Nick Bosa, though, one of the most talented edge rushers the number one at her in the draft by. Rankings and he was supposed to be the number one overall pick. But it looks calamari took that from him. Well, maybe took from the strong word. Maybe it just seems like the cardinals won a quarter a better quarterback than Josh Rosen. And looks like Josh Rosen. Get shopped I'm not sure if he's actually going to go get traded. That's not me. I'm not sure what he's gonna get traded four. But it seems to me that there should be. It should be one of those things where you don't really know what the outcomes get a be in the long run with this whole situation. But with that being said. Your show for the day. Vicki so it's joining me, and we'll go into tomorrow for the football are Nonthaburi excuse me Schwartz podcast again. But also, we're doing our football and basketball podcast hit as well. 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But in the history of the sports do God's I don't think there are many examples that you could point to of a team that didn't have to suffer a little bit before it one suffer in the playoffs. Take losses. Michael Jordan had to take ELS in the playoffs before he got to where he got. And I'm just wondering if the math is changed enough that we might actually have a surprise winner because three point shooting changes everything you've got a shot that's more valuable than others. That's dominating the sport, and Ken, Milwaukee actually be the quietest champion in the sports history because they will have come from no largely from nowhere. We know their best player is great. But that best player has been a playoff after thought the entire time. He's been in the league, right? But he's really stepped up. You could say the nuggets. I mean, quiet is forty two and eighteen start in the history of the NBA and they're a half game out of first and a Western Conference. They could not enough of the Golden State Warriors play in that conference. I did I think there is potential for Milwaukee to win the NBA championship. And all of us are go like, and we shouldn't be surprised, but we will be should be surprised, Dan. They're beating teams by ten points a game. It's it's. The highest by four in the NBA more than the warriors. Why shouldn't we be surprised when all of history is replete with teams like the bucks who have had to lose before they can win. Right. I'm trying to think of the team that just that one right away. Have gone through many. Well, the Boston Celtics of Kevin Garnett Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. But it took them more games. Win the championship because they were always going seven. They were the one that was put together an immediately an immediately one I can't think of a lot of others. Even the heat suffered that first season. They lost one time. They lost in the final and that second playoff. They had the blueprint on the line the one that they actually eventually won their first championship that was blueprint on the line. Lebron having to have the performance arguably that he'll be remembered most for it's so great, though, if Milwaukee comes out of the east because if Milwaukee comes out of the east, then we will have again, even though there is no doubt about the Golden State Warriors winning the championship. We will again have enough reason to say, well, I haven't seen them lose to the warriors. I can talk myself into the fact that after Greek freak Golden State has the four best players on the floor. You're right. We've talked about this before the Jordan teams, at least there was some suspense. You're like is this the year Karl Malone get him can Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton getting this year. And I think at least you'll have some of that if the bucks bacon. I don't I just don't think that many people are going to buy Denver, even if they went the Denver will be the sixty win team of Derrick rose that couldn't get past Miami. People aren't going to buy Denver or Ray Allen Rashard Lewis SuperSonics vibes with that Denver Nuggets team. It's actually I don't we talked about it recently with the NBA ratings being down a little bit and how much that's tied. Lebron both being hurt and playing out on the west coast. But it's been a pretty interesting regular season. You have some doubt finally around this mega team. Not so much doubt. Since a added boogie cousins, but there's been so much drama around that team, and you have a lot of new teams on the scene in Eastern Conference. It seemed stronger Brooklyn a major Mark. Out of nowhere, looking good lebrons. Ten seed right now, he's a ten seed in his own conference. It's a pretty wacky year. I so badly want to see LeBron versus the warriors in the first round of the playoffs. Just want to see that man. And he's gotta get in. I'm I wanna figure out here. How many teams among all of those teams that you're looking at because career having is still out here saying that the Celtics are the best team in the east. I just want you guys to go through. He's also saying fix it. Brad. I know, but I want you guys to go through those teams that are at the top of the standings. And you tell me how many of them have a better player than Boston's best player, kyri Irving. Kyrie Irving is. Boston's best player you'll give me all the teams in the league where you would take their best player over Boston's best player. I take Milwaukee's. I'd take Toronto's skip over Indiana because they're stars hurt. And I don't even think conferences, though, do it. You take Denver's you take Denver's over Kyrie which I would. I would take Denver Denver, Oklahoma City. Certainly. Yeah. I wouldn't take Lillard over kyri. You take hard and over kyri though. Yeah. That's we're getting to five seed right now. I think a true debate is in beaver carry. We talked about this little yesterday. But I mean, you're you're are you not mentioning like ten teams before you get to the Celtics on best player in the five or six, which is a lot more than you know, somebody that Bill Simmons was saying would win you know, the Lakers best players better than Boston's best player. Like, we know that. Yep. Certainly that's a that's a good. I mean, the pelicans PO best player might be better. His better might be is the pelicans best player is better than Boston's as player don't might be. Sorry. No there. But no. I mean, no not a whole lot of people are making the argument on behalf of what is in Tokyo Brown doing with his mustache. Just dying it yellow, I'm sorry. I got I just saw distracting. Well, Jeff Darlington. Evidently got he sat down with them. Was it in Miami? He's literally sitting down with him. And what looked like to thrones? Antonio Brown is wearing exactly the rings. You would expect him to wear but this look Super Bowl where it's. Antonio Brown, which like I have to tell the audience wants to God's just did. No, no, Stu gods. Just turned his back. And it was a good joke. No Super Bowl rings, but he turned his back. And then thrust a fist in the sky with a single sausage finger to give himself an I'm number one. Like Joe Nemeth running off the field after beating the colts in the upset Super Bowl. I did that. Antonio Brown is he helping his case by dressing like a an eccentric wide receiver out of a mid nineties movie about like if you were trying to cast the diva wide receiver, you address them up like this. He Simon feeding going west. Going west going Simon just in the. Just in the mustache. Guillermo put it on the poll, please is accusing someone of having no rings to guts Super Bowl. I felt like I want you really you raise like hit. There had been a door there. You would've run straight into the Atlantic Ocean? Celebrating your no rings joke. You just wait around all the time in life. Your life is something that is just spend between accusing people having no ring. Splash that will really good. Should have. It was a good joke. But I but your eagerness and getting in there because you're like, oh, wait there's an opening I can rip. There's an opening I could rip someone for not having ring. There's an opening I've been waiting for for six weeks. He's like a patient fishermen. Sit here waiting for where tonight accuse someone of having. No ring. It is you'll sit up there for days. You're you're you're the is ner waiting around. For people to have no ring donlevatar. I would -absolutely take down my own school as a journalist. If I find out that there was financial aid problems. We kidding me. I'm not hiding that story. I totally leverage that information for money felony blackmail. Yeah. Stugatz. He's got to be the only radio personality America who freely admits. Yeah, it can. He's got. No, that's the niche. All good. You get to all the other spots have been taken. He's like serving the landscape on where can I plant my flag? I got this. Right. Nobody else wants us. Why is there? No one here. This looks like such a great land. I could just claim all fraud and crime worked out well for me DCC donlevatar show with his two guys on ESPN radio is to poverty. Now. Live is the new episode of stupidity. It tends to be put together late in the game. Is it ready to go because it's usually at noon on Thursday. Yes, or no, no, okay. Very good soon them. Today. Absolutely. That yet. While we're on the air, very consistently. It's been announced while we're on the air usually in this hour, but we've we've made the twelve o'clock eastern hour on Thursday every every week so far except for today for today. Well, there's still time sometime plenty of time. Actually, plenty would would you be embarrassed because Stu gods would like to have a bobblehead, right? That one goes without saying. But would you be embarrassed if you were somebody who had a bobble head and then on your bobblehead night you scored zero points in twenty minutes on your bobble head night. Would you be embarrassed by that you're almost fundamentally incapable of shame now big ever that wouldn't you prefer bobblehead night be on another night that you didn't score zero points in twenty minutes. I mean, I can't control that right? When I scored zero point. You can draw to have an off night. I mean, but if you deserve bobblehead, you should be someone who can control whether you have zero points in an NBA game. But people get bobbleheads at all different times of their career. Some people get him well past their prime some people get him after they retire. I'm serious. They have bobblehead nights or people have retired. I mean would control whether you score zero points in a night. Do you have being guarded by a lockdown defender, or are you in the glove? What a Payton's on your one night. What are you gonna do? What John this is on your one night. I didn't even know what sport you're talking about body. If you have a bad night on bobblehead night. The good news. Is you still got a bobblehead? Thankfully that hasn't happened in real life. Which part was the scenario that you've pal it happened last night. That happen with the incident. And if I knew any of the nets other than diangelo Russel, I would tell you which one it was. But it was one of the there's a Harrison I can't tell if it's his first or last name. Let me go through white. Let me go through the fight here. The name. I will I will recognize it goes through the net zero point we have done we. Done this million peas carrots Liberte. I I don't think that was him no zero he's coming back humanity. Play twenty minutes, twenty minutes, twenty minutes. Listen, he's a good player. He he just came back from gruesome injury. But he's the only had zero points to the Netflix. The only guy got the off the on all the people playing. He's the only guy. Yeah. He's the only guy even some guy McCall got four points. Two buckets. Or might have been wanting to free throws that was two buckets over one from the charity stripe. The stripe the charity stripe. I mean, are you read our back or John would? Strike. Nobody in America right now using that phrase except for a hack broadcaster and Bob Ryan. The sheerly stripe that can't be some that cannot be afraid to buy young people it in the Polk. Do young people refer to the free throw line as the charity stripe. Are we done with Menzel talk? He's now gotten kicked out of football in two countries. North America's down for the count, maybe playing Greece where Patino is or something else. But that's it North America's out there several football leagues, and he can try his hand at sill in the United States. And don't forget he was a highly touted baseball prospect. So we may still see Tibo versus Menzel just not in the arena that you're saying he could be had cheap. If he's kicked out of Canada, one of these the af or the XFL can go ahead and get him. Can't they I don't think he's eligible for the XFL because they made like a big thing about not having people that have been arrested. Yeah. But then then there was a report that because Vince McMahon had that whole like internet stream press conference where it made. It seem like Colin Kaepernick would not be welcome. But then there are reports that he's had conversations. I think Vincent Kennedy McMahon's, given Oliver luck a lot of responsibility. And he's like, okay. You you do this all the Lexington. Nobody's doing. Did. You see the big fish? They hold in not stoops not pep Hamilton. Your general manager and head coach of the Seattle XFL franchise yet to be named Jim Zoran what really? Wait a minute. He was viewed as a laughing stock in the NFL mount as a quarterback, but when he was the coach of the Washington, racial slur. He was Oranje and his hair, by the way, bring really, oh, he looks great does years away from the game have treated Jim Zorn's so kindly great tan, right? Awesome. Awesome. Ten. It's like, where's this guy? Been obviously Malibu don't we have some sound of gyms darn can you check the computer just type in gyms zone. I seem that's how they do it. Go to your library. Actually got a few. You have multiple gyms there. Some sort of creative sunny sunny Johnson gyms Orne feud over a halfback pass. I got gyms Orne gets frustrated with with a reporter. And we hear the the debate over the past I need to I would like for you to open the gym zone library right now. And just play all the sounds that wouldn't have in our past regarding the for anything that says anything just keep playing figured out rag one of the sounds over like, we should keep helping my out. Okay. Well, then you keep looking you keep rolling your eyes, and I'm getting ticked off. And I think I'm answering your question are you? Okay. Okay. I think that was the one that you're looking for it. But now. And I want the other one so wait to set this up again. What are they arguing about a half? All right. So I don't know the date on this file, I can investigate. But this this file that I have not heard and hopefully doesn't have cursing. Hopefully, hopefully, this file is called sunny Johnson and Jim Zoran feud over HP pass, and it's twenty seven seconds law. All right. This is what I'm telling you my kid. I want you to drag this over to the trash can on your computer when you done with it. I just want to empty the gym zone library. So we could get that piece of hoarding out of our life will never need it again. Go ahead and play this out. And then we close the gym zone library forever. Third down. I'm the quarterback for you the quarterback in you, call the halfback throwing the ball for me. I'm calling time out a calling an audible, I'm not letting halfback though it that's what you pay me for. Well, then I would have to take you out of the game as soon as you call timeout. I'd say what's wrong with my play because nobody I called it to work. All right. We call it to work. It didn't work. There was a lot of plays out that that didn't work, and I take you out of the game. Sorry sonny. Shocking. Donlevatar? Stugatz listens. Very poorly. I'm not sure he was listening right there. I wasn't stugatz. He makes sounds like that to disguise when he's not listening even short Mun of of weaponry. Yeah. In the case, I sound he's making them. All right now, all the sounds that he makes when he's not listening. These these live at our show with his Stu guys on ESPN radio. Now, Michael Jordan has a number of impressive things on his resume among them defying gravity and making baldness cool. But he couldn't pull off the tiny little dictator mustache. He couldn't do it. He tried. There's a Hanes commercial. You can look it up. He's got a full on chaplain. He it is a terrible tiny tiny mustache. But in Tonio Brown is trying to do something that I have not seen anyone do before other than Simon Phoenix Indem. Listen man, and he did it with all the hair on his head not just the hair over his lip but in Tonio Brown's beard and hair ours. Black beard is also shaped very nice. He's also wearing bicycle shorts. Just caught that and his shoes have chains on them. Why are they sitting so close him in darling? It's way their knees are like six inches apart. And you need to make sure that the audience knows that they're both sitting on thrones intimacy. They're just so casually discussing things like you would with friends the. Of television is gone and Darlington and Tonio Brown are having a soulful connection where soul mates meet because Darlington has his leg cross right now. If he did it I feel like he'd be kicking Tonio Brown. I mean, Christmas right close for my comfort. Darlington has maroon pants on which in any normals television situation might catch your eye. But it's like seventeenth on things that I'm paying attention. He's laying down. Now Antonio I know part of this is getting him more guaranteed money. Do are we sure that we wanna give into Neo Brown more money? I am. Stugatz wants him as a New York yet. Again, though, I I'd like to get back. I don't want to have another one of these tired Antonio Brown conversations. Even though I wanna thank him for producing so much content for the network over the last few months, I just want to get into is anyone else? Trying to get that look on the ground off the ground in terms of dying your mustaches at blonde or orange. It seems like the beard is black and the mustaches Steeler yellow kinda like weird do not discount. The fact that the beard is also shaped in quad quadrants there's like cubes and each as you go further down the line. It's another cube like steps again, though, the mustache looks John dissed. I don't know what the color is that I would describe it. But he had to go very meticulous. Or I don't know whether he did it himself or whether had a professional do it, but they're like seven wisps of hair over his lip. And all of them are either blonde gray, orange or John best. He also seems to have like a blue streak and a gold streak in random spots. And I'm wondering how he chose those spots. Like, how do you say this is where I want the blue this is where I want the blonde the rest leave it the same. Don't you want to hear the Antonio Brown interview, though? Don't you want to do any of you want to hear what he actually said watching? I'm unit. I'm good. I'm good. I'm satisfied set. A poncho Effendi poncho with bicycle shorts? He was wearing. Yeah. The home is decorated exactly as I thought it would be oh, it's like that Drake album cover everything is gold. And he seems like he wants to talk like Antonio con by the studio, man, we're here for you. You wanna come by tomorrow? All of that Miami. Right. We've got a big athlete coming through here. Tomorrow. We've got an athlete a little surprise for the audience coming through here tomorrow, but Antonio Brown. I feel like I just saw some video of him in front of what might have been his childhood home. It looked like. Miami looked like all that interview cabinet in my camera. Certainly had b roll of what appeared to be bullet holes in cement. He grew up a good contribution. Stugatz. Excellent work by you, a brand transition like only a professional broadcaster could deliver that I don't even know what that sound. It's my sounded like you were muffling a belt here. The rejoin I sit between you, and my so that's Mike making as you know, making a point. And then it's bridge today. That's what it is. Got was the net. Ball is hit over him bridge. Your professional broadcaster. You're on the radio to contribute to the doing of the show. You just stared at me as if you were scared. Your is biggest saucers and all you gave me 'cause you knew I needed. Something was a sound. And you gave me the bare minimum sound you could give me. What is in Tonio Brown saying he is on television saying things like what are you doing doing a show? You. You in Hampton said on ESPN that all the other is the end must go feed on. I was don't you know, this works. Brown sits down in the throne for an interview. He dies his mustache jaundice. And then we just take all the sound. And we argue about it all day and then move on tomorrow. The Levy on bell. It was important. It'd be on the scroll that's scrawl is important. That's true. Email I want this is Chuck. Chuck Chuck did sense thin. Excerpt since down is a busy man today discusses his reaction to sealers GM Kevin Colbert's defense of criticism against Ben Rothlisberger. So they cross that bridge rounds angry with the Steelers still wants a trade trade. Officially on the trading blog. I not getting better. They are not changing. You know what? I mean. He sated. To. Oh, wait now that was the. We covered. All right. We've covered it. That concludes our coverage of the Tonio Brown story. A polish broadcast professionals always donlevatar is it fair to say that Stu gods. Is it trying very hard stugatz though? BCC donlevatar show with his two guys on ESPN radio. I didn't have enough time and make up to pull off the the blond moustache. Guess lucille. Please come in here as rapidly as you can just put the tape on my on my face at lebatardshow on Instagram and Twitter is where you go. If you want to vote on the poll, you know, what I have seen this look before. I it's just I haven't seen in a long time. And I certainly never seen it on black man before. But that is the Hollywood HOGAN where you have the dark beard, and the blond moustache support. Thank you Lucille for all your good work. You're good at important work. At lebatardshow on Graham and Twitter. If you want to vote on the polls. A really long way. Yeah. Not worth it, a miserable choke and it didn't work, but you get a name for for effort. Thank you. Would it be an e for effort? Works. Anyway, is the heat is on a banger. It's a great question. Now, it is. Yes, it has the heat is on is not a banger. Fifty six percent of the audience said, yes, you policies and the memory Glenn fry. Mostly be known for that. And nothing else going prize dead for sure, yeah. Yeah. He's an eagle. Also, I believe he was a general manager of the Zona cardinals in Jerry. Maguire was. Is a game. That's seven months away right around the corner. Oh, my bone to pick with ESPN. This is your bone and trying to move up this Florida Miami game into that. I say over my dead body. Also said the games right around the corner. Sixty eight percent of the audience had. No. And then we'll tell that to my security deposit. What is the window of time for right around the corner? It ain't seven months you like a long enough time line now, it's usually for me it's four to six weeks or six weeks out. Speaking of soup. Potty the latest episode that going live is just right around the corner within the next forty five minutes, I'm told all right? Did you think? Fran Torkington name was Frank. Frank torkington. That's it's a totally different player in the to Mike thought was the the wild scrambler from the seventies. And eighties ole Frank tarkenton. Seventy two percent of the audience said no would Frank talking. Ten clearly have won a Super Bowl for the Vikings. Frank talking ton with an I N G sixty eight percent of the audience said, yes. What's the bigger mistake calling? Fran tarkenton Fran Torkington or calling Oscar Robertson Oscar Robinson. I did that fifty eight percent of the audience said Oscar Robinson the big oh. Can you pass up a steak fry? Sixty one percent of the audience said, no a person refers to sandwiches as Sammy's jackass or iridium of jackass. Chris coding, seventy seven percent of the audience said irredeemable jackass. To us catch up on fries in your car is an important one. It is eighty percent of the audience said no is Darius Rucker Hootie. He's not Hootie. He's Hootie the rest of the band. Members are blowfish. He hates it. When you call him Hootie. He's not he's the one making a comeback. They're making a comeback. I mean, he's he's been he's a country music. She never left the blowfish. They're the ones that sort of or out of the public eye when they're not hooting and the blow fishing what he's a this is fair. Right. When he's eight country music star. He is Darius Rucker. Yes. He's he's I get your point. He's never who'd. He doesn't like. Foodie. It's the deal. He's who is eighty four percent of the audience. Eddie's. Thirty wait a minute. Mike, you refutable eighty four scientific data came push back on anything over eighty percent. Is accusing someone of having no rings stugatz. Super bowl. Ninety seven percent of the audience says, yes, I don't know what the other three percent. We're thinking almost record contrarian. D young people refer to the free throw line as the charity stripe. Eighty percent of the audience said, no. Those are the pulse. Set your bad cliche sharing at right? Well, maybe I really feel like the only people who use that are broadcasters. Nobody in conversation uses the phrase charity stripe to describe the free throw line. And if they do they're not people I want to be friends with it's the older broadcast, right though. It's not like, it's not not the Mike, Mike. Breen is definitely saying. The charity stripe is he not? I don't know whether Mike Breen goes with many cliches, I don't think of him as someone who's cliche ridden. Is you Brown Huby Brown? That is the age of the user of the phrase charity stripe. No. I think I think that Huby Brown has a brooding undercurrent that would not allow him to use the phrase charity stripe that he has that he is someone who takes his basketball. So seriously that he refers to it as the free throw line or then it's Tommy Heinsohn. Now that for sure, oh, no doubt. That is for sure Tommy Heinsohn is trying to keep alive. The phrase charity stripe. Tommy, Mark Jackson might use it. He's kind of an old soul. I do I feel like Mark Jackson. And in fact, I think I've heard him use it before. Oh, you have not totally made. That is. In fact, I think is what I said. And I totally use that to support an argument that in fact, you think Ermo put it on the pole when Stu gods? And is it ever a fact? You. It's not only a fact it's the opposite of a fact because it's not even a falsehood. It's just simply a lot. It's not it's not true in any way. Nope. But I do feel like Mark Jackson. Oh, that's a feeling and feelings don't lie. It's just a feeling. All right. Yes. Almost got to pivot each less graceful than the last. It's an amazing gift. He has if I get to light the fifth pivot like things really start grabbing they unravel long before then it's the fifth vividly. You realize they unravel an update on earlier in the show. You told me to empty the gyms Orne file in the calendar. I have a one second clip of our former imaging guy saying gyms or okay, just empty the file then Shinzo all my God. I miss that voice to good voice Shinzo. The monster truck voice Shinzo. So that empties the gyms Zorn's file, I is this an actual monster truck sing this Shinzo zone. Shinzo. It's a sound. A monster truck makes when you start it Shinzo Mike do me a favor. I'd like to play this game every day for the rest of time where I just have you empty a file so Antoine Walker. What do you got? Oh, man. You gotta go home on random that. Go more random friend parking. I mean, we need to entire show for that. Yeah. All right. The last two minutes, we're going to spend here. Just waiting for Mike define things on his computer that are from our past. I don't think Fran tarkenton is gonna pull up anything so far nothing on Fran. Wait, wait. Wait. Wait. Wait, wait will have on the show. Got something on starving. Like, the feeling you had. We did. In fact, we did. All right. I got I got one clip on friend target. Really? All right. Great friend talking to. We cleared that good that we cleared out that file so you feel like you're Antoine. Walker file is to it's it's you need a three hour show for the fat. You're entering Walker. File did you guys just have that guy? Stay every name. Yes. Every name in sports ever. Yes. How random that? You want me to get? If there's a Roddy white file in there. Ronnie white. All right. Let's see what we have on rotting. Why? Unfortunately in may or may not be funny. I don't remember anything about our conversation with Roddy white. Let's say we have one clip, but this is a dangerous game. Because sometimes eclipse terrible. Here's Roddy white on whether Dez Bryant will return for the playoff me Julio is talking about the whole situation when he heard the broke his foot. He's he's got the same injury yet. You know, we had to shut them down for the entire year. I just don't see him making their Bank this year. Oh, if he does make it back, it'd probably be late in the playoff. All right. We can clear out the running like it's just cleaning out the garage. But he got rid of gyms. Aren't we got rid of Robbie white? We got rid of Fran tarkenton I feel like that's a good day of cleaning up the hiring Turkington. Jim zone. Fran torkington. Tim zone. He's. Has to win.

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Hour 1: New Year Resolutions

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Hour 1: New Year Resolutions

"Welcome to Spain and Fitz podcast back in the saddle again for Spain. And fits a lengthy lengthy break for your girl Sarah Spain, I think field Yates who's in the saddle with me tonight as fits takes over on. Golic and wingo for a couple of days has been working most of the holidays because football never sleeps. I on the other hand. Am putting it out there in advance. There may be some brain farts eleven days off. I'm just eased in my way back in. And there is a lot to get to an I'm glad that you're here field because let's start with some NFL stuff. It is feigned infants on ESPN radio Sarah Spain and field Yates with you. And the Steelers situation has been NBA level drama and petty since the beginning of the season. And now that their season is done. It somehow is even amped up more. So let's get into your first reaction as you're watching all the final games of the year and ABC's on the sideline not playing. So there's already questions about that. And then he disappears and we start the mystery of where did he go? Why did he leave and how much did everybody know? What were your first thoughts? I'm glad by the way that you brought up the NBA analogy only because in some ways this is similar to a Jimmy Butler demanding a trade or a Kawai letter demanding a trade or. Irving or any of the number of players at a star level that we have seen already do. So or perhaps Anthony Davis will one day do so out of New Orleans. And what I mean by that is this on the surface. It's obvious. Why a team acquiring said superstar would want to do. So they're superstars, however, when you dig just an inch deeper, you realize how many complicating factors there are two trade of Antonio Brown, and what start here I was surprised to see this development over the past seventy two hours. Not because I view the Steelers locker room as these squeaky clean locker room in terms of drama. It's obviously not that. But Antonio Brown. The narrative surrounding him is so dramatically changed over the past seventy two hours. And I mean that in the court of public opinion this is arguably arguably one of the three greatest wide receivers ever. And I know that sounds like. Hyperbole to some. But just put the numbers on the table. And you will see exactly what I am talking about Antonio Brown when he resigned that new deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was you know, borderline city holiday status for Pittsburgh. Right. He's sticking around ABC's going nowhere. The guy who deserves it because of his play on the field of sticking around. And here we are. And I'm hearing all these people that are saying it's time to move on from in Tokyo Brown. He's more of a locker room headache than a producer on the field. And I'm thinking to myself that I not just watch this guy in fifteen games have fifteen hundred receiving yards and be one of the game's best players period. So certainly it's a situation that on its surface is shocking. No matter how much information you had about it prior to Sunday's deactivation of Antonio Brown. We didn't play gift the Bengals it has been to me one of the more fascinating developments in the NFL that I haven't that. I've seen in quite some time. The only thing I'll say to district with you. And you make a lot of. Good points is that I don't know that there has been an overnight change in the way people view him so much as this was sort of like building building building snap because you brought up when we were talking before the show the undefeated story about him by Jesse Washington back in September. And that story in addition to a couple of sort of out of character moments, including where he called a longtime white journalists a racist. After that guy tweeted that Brown was limping another deleted Instagram post trashing, the mother of his three youngest kids showing up in a helicopter, and then complaining about getting pressed for showing up in a helicopter complaining that he can't be free because there's too much publicity while at the same time just constantly flooding all of his social media fields with the most cultivated in curated representation of who he is. And why he's so great. There were moments that we could see that this person. Was getting very big for his britches. And that he very much wanted us all to see him as the superstar that he's getting paid as and be playing like, but when you add all those things together, I think there was a growing idea that he was a part of all the mess going on the Steelers. It wasn't just leave and bell and his contract situation. There were questions surrounding Abe in and out all season as well. I think Levy and shadow kept maybe a little bit of the spotlight off of AB for some of the issues. So I don't know if it's as overnight of a change of opinion. And I still think if you look at Ryan Clark talking about him and getting his hated on on social media for saying his peace, and what he thinks about aby that there are a lot of people who are still defending him because of how he plays maybe not willing to Philly embrace stories about what he might be doing behind the scenes to this team in the locker room. So let me clarify one thing because you're totally right. And what you're saying. This is festered for quite some time. This is not an overnight development. Internally and there've been other times in the past by the way, were there has been some noise, but Antonio Brown being a pain in the rear or being high maintenance or being a lot to deal with even amongst other Steelers. I guess I'm thinking more in the court of public opinion is that it has changed. Steelers fans have seemingly turned on an Tonio Brown is in like their focus is less on what he has been and what he could be for this dealers. If he returns next year and more on like, what hypothetical trade gets us the most value in return? Hey, can we get a first round pick from somebody? Every time a Jamal Adams of the jets or George Kittle of the forty Niners tweets about Antonio Brown are Jarvis Landry. Does the same thing. It's art will trade end Tonio Brown for whatever the second or the fourth overall pick in the upcoming draft where the jets and forty Niners are selecting that part is surprising to me is just how much it seems like Pittsburgh fans are were ready for this. And I understand that. Taking social media can certainly be it can be able to potentially a ghost, right? Like if you people's opinions. Yeah. For sure. But what I will say is that it does feels like the tenor has changed surrounding Antonio Brown. Amongst a fan base that we know like. They don't have the they only have three major professional sports team there in the the pirates and the penguins as well. But like even during an amazing run for the Pittsburgh Penguins. There's no two ways about it. The main showing coun- is the Pittsburgh Steelers. It always has been and always will be if you're a good Steelers player, you might as well be royalty in Pittsburgh. So it's just been surprising to me to see how much things have changed in the court of public opinion surrounding in Tokyo Brown that being said there are a lot of tentacles to this. And I think the next question people are going to want to ask Sarah is could he possibly be traded could this act twelve to talk about it? But actually happening is different. Yeah. And that's gonna come down to the internal people. Right. And not the fan opinion. It's gonna come down to the people on the team Wang how much you gives them versus how much he takes away. It's their Spain. And field Yates Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. All of our guests. Join us on the shell Pennzoil performance. I'm watching talked to Germany Fowler. A little later in the show about the Steelers. But Mike Tomlin spoke today, and there's a couple of notable moments in this. In this presser. I he talked about how after AB was unable to practice on Thursday. He was supposed to get an MRI which he didn't do. And then he didn't hear from him. The team didn't hear from Friday or Saturday, drew Rosenhaus his agent. Call Sunday morning to say he'd like to play. Here's how that went down. According to Mike Tomlin woke up Sunday morning and got a call from his agent drew Rosenhaus through express that he was feeling better. And that he will potentially be able to participate outlined the drew that decisions were made like that. But I would be interested in visiting with him in person at stadium prior to the game. But playing what knowing the menu. So drew relate to him. I met with AB prior to the game he asked what he could do. I said the best thing he can do in terms of helping us win the game to beat here and support his teammates. He agreed to do that we had a general conversation about his overall health. I sent them to the training staff to visit with those guys who were at the stadium ready and people for play. And that was the last conversation that he and I had. So we know that he shows up he's on the sideline for the first half disappears at halftime. And potentially that his teammates didn't even know. He wasn't gonna play because maybe Tomlin doesn't let them know in advance. And it gets leaked to the press either way. His teammates were absolutely surprised to find that he had left at halftime Mike Tomlin on whether he has spoken to him since. I haven't spoken with him since that meeting. I had with him prior to the game at the stadium on Sunday. Obviously, I'm gonna address it. We're going to address him and the circumstance, but to be quite honest with you, you know, we're gonna information gathering us all the time at our disposal in wished to do. So obviously disgruntled player means they're going to be questions about whether he is asked out. Here's what Mike Tomlin says a MAC on a speculate on trays and things of that nature. We haven't formally received the request in that regard. So I'm not gonna speculate. I'm not gonna speculate in terms of where to discipline might go and things of that nature. Just know that is going to be address and. It will be addressing needs to be addressed for obvious reasons. You said the factory even talking about trading in Tonio Brown is crazy. But that's where we've gotten to in lots more to get to on this field because a lot of praise for Tom of criticism for him and all the drama around. The team is trading Abe worth it. He can this situation be fixed. So a whole lot more to get to on the Steelers situation, and you guys can always give us your thoughts on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at sarahspain at field Yates at Spain fits of coming up redo little New Year's sports resolutions, yours hours and the resolutions that people in sports should be making. It's coming up next. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in his hockey skates. Peach practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven peak realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how Geico proud partner of NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out Spain and Fitz. That's right. It's a new year. I show for me back on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the SPN up and Sirius XM channel eighty field Yates with me filling in for fits and feels been working all holidays long because the NFL doesn't give you a break. But because it's only day two of twenty nine thousand nine and my first day back at work. The last couple of days have been spent thinking about resolutions than about an ear. And unfortunately today in just our second day of twenty nine thousand nine we already have two pretty notable celebrity passing 's mean, Jean Oakland, and you are a big wrestling guy. And so for the wrestling world, that's huge. It really is Sarah. And obviously, what makes pro wrestling a professional wrestling what it is is the entertainment in the ring, but the entertainment in the ring alone cannot carry it, especially when you're on network television for five hours a week. As is the case with the WWE now three hours on Monday night raw onto hours on count on smackdown on Tuesday, which will soon be moving to FOX. So it's you know, it's gonna probably expand the reach of that show, you need to have entertainment and mean, gene, really introduces to the form of they want to call valets or managers or people that served as the sidecar to the stars. But became bigger than the stars themselves promos are huge part of wrestling professional, wrestling, entertainment and few people control the Mike and the way. Mean jean? Did. He was a trailblazer. He was a legend a hall of Famer in WWE's book and somebody will be dearly missed obviously, his impact is lasting. Because now if you were to watch a three hour show on Monday night, raw you would see that. There are many people that maybe not nearly at the caliber of me, gene. But in the same vein of being that person that served as up lamentable entertainment besides the in ring wrestling, and he was a trailblazer. He really was. Yeah. I think people who are not in the in the pro wrestling kind of world know, the name still, you know, I've watched any of that stuff, and you know, of mean, Jean he kind of transcended it and became a character outside of it as well, also, Bob Einstein also many people know him out. There is super Dave Osborne passed away he was on smothers brothers. He's still acting in curb your enthusiasm in recent seasons, and as Marty Funkhouser coleus character. And you know, he was a very common guest on the lebatardshow. And I will say he the lebatardshow had sort of had a little bit of a joke about how a couple of their favorite guests had passed away shortly after appearing on their show. And so Bob would call up Alison behind the scenes and tell her I'm not coming out anymore because I like breathing. I like being alive and would end up having these long conversations with Allison end today. Bob's widow actually called Alison until they're how much it meant. To Bob into her their conversations, and he was just a very sweet genuine, very funny guy and his appearances on lebatardshow, which I'm sure when those guys are back on their show will be remembered. I think he just he was a totally unique guy. I mean super Dave tells you enough right about what kind of guy. He was no doubt about that. Yeah. I mean, just really iconic and feel like, unfortunately, you know, obviously, it's a new year. But I feel like we've lost a lot of titans in the entertainment industry, and here we are not even two full days in and we've already consumed we can say that same thing to more titans gone. So a lot to be remembered, and certainly the sports ties we're obvious both of them. And yeah, he did a lot of sports related stuff. And also, I think lebatardshow Twitter account re tweeted today someone who posted the clip of him describing rob gronkowski hilarious. Don and worth listen, people always say these things tend to come in threes. Hopefully, not but weird Al yankovic has already put his stamp on trying. Not to be the thirty said thinking, maybe I better stay inside today. Yeah. Him exactly he'll probably write a song about it Spain infants there Spain and feel the answer with you in it is a new year. So last year, if if our producer Vince remembers fits, I'm sure does we tried to do some resolutions with our listeners and ask people if they were resolving to do something could we help them in any way, try to stick with it and keep up, and unfortunately, we didn't have a lot of responses. A lot of people said I never even try any more because they always part. And so instead of asking for yours, we want you to tell us what variety of various sports, people players coaches fan bases should be making resolutions about for the new year. For example, Jason Fitz is raiders should probably resolve to find a stadium to plane. That would seem like a reasonable start there. And it's nice. You have a home. It's a little bit harder. To like, you know, the raiders, obviously are not going to be active or shouldn't be terribly active in free agency this year, they're going to be a draft and develop team right now. But imagine like trying to convince a guy. Hey, we want to sign you to a multi year deal for the first year. You're going to be nomad for the second year. You might be in Vegas. We'll see. Yeah. It's really tough sell. I promised you're coming in to a great situation. Yes. Yeah. Like, we promise you, you probably have to overpay to be honest. It's sort of like if a guy asked a woman to marry him, and he was still living at home with his parents. This is gonna work out there. Yeah. Have you? Yeah. That's right. The lucky guys right gravity any resolutions yourself. I I my resolution is to be a better planner around things that are unrelated to work. Okay. Because I constantly been trying to prioritize things like I have to go to physical therapy once a week because I tore my Kelly's which created this imbalance in my entire kinetic chain. And now, I'm falling apart. I'm not allowed to run and do all this stuff. So I'm trying to work my way back to that stuff. But if I don't schedule it as if it's like a work meeting, then it becomes last on the list that doesn't get done. So it's about treating the other aspects of my life with the same scheduling and coordination and responsibility that I treat my job because my job ends up being number one all the time, which is fine. Most of the time. But sure, yeah. Wants health is a good choice. I would sit it's free. You know, you're you're married woman. Like, you've got your at your dog owner, you've got your head loner. Like, there's a lot. Then you have to make sure is well other than just like, you know, you're doing a good job on the workfront. I like it. I'm okay with this with this resolution. So I was gonna say that I had like some, you know, some great resolution that's like not tied to sports because I kind of take the spirit of what you said was not tied to sports. So I guess like I'm getting married in less than six months through the weddings. Good one like getting through it. And I'm like, I can't wait for it to happen. But as you know, as recently, married processes a lot there's just a lot of tentacles to it. Right. But on the sports front. There's one thing that I'm going to try to do this year that I think I try to do every year and I typically fail. The NFL season is seventeen games so seventeen week sixteen games so relative to its its major sports counterparts. It feels like a short season and especially with their own again, sixteen games per eighty to eighty two and one hundred sixty two for the other three major sports, but it's a long long. Long long season. My goal is to not overreact in the first month. I felt since that's my goal. I'm starting smart here. But it smokes think about something. Like the Texans. Right, right. Oh and three left for dead. No chung. It's Bill Brian on the hot seat. Not not not going to happen. Right. I mean, Andrew luck at the beginning of remember. There was questions like is this arm. Strength gone. Has he been rattled drill hall? Aaron Rodgers came back in week one. And they beat the bears like they still have their number. You know, that's you're not getting one. So I'm starting a small here. Right. Sheva -able. Yeah. Feels achievable to me. So that would be my thing is like start small not overreact as very good. I like that ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Comparing rates to help you save call or click today and find out how much progressive could save you. So hit us up on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at sarahspain at Spain and Fitz at field Yates, and give us what some coaches players fans, etc. Making resolutions about maybe the Steelers should get some sort. Marriage counselor or communications expert into that locker room worked through some stuff. Maybe you she UCF should be willing to take a couple of those you know, one for twos, the tuition's and gets better game scheduled. So anything that you think someone should resolve to send it to us on Twitter coming up a quarter of the NFL is looking for a new head coach a quarter best in worse than the jobs and the candidates next. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the espionage Spain and Fitz. That's right. Happy new year. Not so happy for a lot of NFL coaches. And you just heard the cardinals you give a guy one season with a rookie quarterback and a bad roster. And that's it one and done Spain invents on ESPN radio the espionage app and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and field Yates with you. And as always this time of year. There are a lot of new coaches vacancies in the NFL to talk about eight in fact after black Monday, and we're gonna take a look at which are the best jobs, and maybe some of the names floating around. But as a reminder the teams that have available coaching opera -tunities with a head coaching spout right now. The dolphins. The packers. The Buchan ears. The jets who am I missing her the Bengals? A lot of bees to begin the Broncos. There's another one Broncos gift, and I think you may have touched them all there except for one Sarah, which unless you're out in the cardinals is one of them. I, of course, we mentioned. Yes. That's that's that's where you got them. All right there. So and so this is a whole whole bunch of teams in very different on the Browns Brown, of course. Yeah. The whole bunch of teams in very different circumstances. And surprisingly a team in the Browns that used to be the last place, you'd wanna go unless of course, you like the idea of being fired with a whole lot of money left on your contract and not have. Because they're still paying like eighty two former head coaches more money than most teams are paying any of their current coaches. But a lot of people have the Browns as the number one job because of Baker Mayfield because of cap space because draft picks, and because there's a belief that general manager John Dorsey has been impressive, and is ushering them out of the hole that they were living in for as long as they were are you on board with the Browns being the best job? I am Sarah. And there are a few reasons why you named a lot of them. But I started global standpoint when you're taking a job talent is almost always the first thing that coach is going to going to analyze and let's begin with every every team's roster. The talent starts with what the quarterback option is. And Baker mayfield's studt bigger me. If it looks like a superstar in this league in the making, but you go beyond that with the Cleveland Browns. Now, some coaches want to get hired a situation where they have full autonomy over the roster and also coaching the team, right? So you you're the coach, but you're also. Kind of GM in the same way that Jon Gruden is that with the Oakland Raiders like if you're going to. But sometimes the reason that more technically, well, essentially right sees to be holding that position, right? Mike me because her new general manager, but ultimately if Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock differ on a player, and they have the choice between two players. It's going to be jogger and choice. Like, that's just the way it works. But with the Browns what's different is like there is going to you're going to be very hard pressed to go and find a coach that would want to come to Cleveland and rock the boat dramatically with the roster, which is different than what was the case in other places, right like, whether it was Jon Gruden going to Oakland or map Patricia going into where they've had to go through a lot of transitions amongst their personnel. If you go to Cleveland, you're doing it not because you want the ability to go there and part ways with notable veterans, or, you know, cast off unhappy players on the roster like you like the nucleus of what you have. Beyond that, you've got as you mentioned a ton of cap space. You've got the quarterback you've got a general manager that just make this really simple. John Dorsey is responsible for drafting Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes, two quarterbacks that at the time of being drafted where divisive right people. There's no way Baker me if we can go number one. How does that look now it looks great trading up and smoldering a future first round pick for Patrick Mahomes? Is that worth it for a guy that came out of my system? It hasn't always produced quarterback that have met their college level of production or come close to it. Yeah. It share has. He's the presumptive MVP at least in my book. But beyond that, we're looking at the AFC north, and you and I spent the first thirty minutes of the show stare discussing a possible trade by the Pittsburgh Steelers of Antonio Brown who for a long time was the co franchise player there along with Ben Rothlisberger hack. He's on the Madden cover this past year. My point is that and a time when Cincinnati feels left for dead for me. They don't have a coach, and they don't have a lot of more. So than that. Than that. There's not any optimism because there's no real belief that it matters whether you win which actually fits this morning made a clever point on Golic and wingo that that's a great job to take. Because as long as you're just mediocre. You can keep it forever. Today, the market GM jobs in baseball, right because the expectations aren't for you to beat the Yankees and the Red Sox and cubs assessors go to the Bengals right? So put terms of alluring job with upside. The Browns of that like the AFC north feels. Okay. Make it work gettable. Right. So you've named all of the reasons I agree with all of them as to why you would want that job. But let's try to find some negatives. Which is a crazy thing to say as if it's tough to do for the Browns. Right. Because this is still a team that's in Cleveland five people don't want to be in Cleveland. This is still a team that I have said until I know for sure that when you dig pass the cherry on top. You're not still getting the poop Sunday that you've had for decades. I don't know if you can fully by now, what if this year was a bit of a Mirage also because expectations are so low that you take one step forward, and it feels like you're on the brink of a Super Bowl championship. Right. There is a lot still left to be done as you said. Oh, this is a great core. You don't have to change much. I mean, they're not in the playoffs. They're they're five and three down the stretch with Mayfield gonna use a more open playbook, and coaches, you know, new coaches and Williams and kitchens working with them. Engle, you kind of have to fit in this Brown's situation. What I mean by that is this is like if you come to Cleveland, if you're an offensive coach, Sarah, you're probably not retaining play calling duties because right now in the court of public opinion. Freddie kitchens their offense offense coordinator is red hot. So the idea of like, hey, let's just say that you were and I'm just going Josh mcdaniels like if Josh mcdaniels goes to Cleveland is he going to want to undo the system remove Freddie kitchens reinstall what he does. And also, I mentioned the GM thing is for some people. It's a it's a detriment, right? Like, some people would rather go somewhere where they could be the shock collar. So I think there are works per every single one of these eight jobs, but for the first time ever the Browns have stability at quarterback, at least I believe so and they have optimism that is not merely. Hope it's optimism. It is true optimism surrounding what this team can be going forward. Which is why I view it as the shop now part of that. That there are so few other great jobs on this list. Right. You go around. We'll get to those. Okay. 'cause we were going to do that next because we have spent our time on the number one job according to field Yates, but there are seven other jobs that we wanna rank and see just how promising their future looks or whether it's a tough choice for a guy or gal. But probably a guy walking into ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. Guests join us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. The rest of the coaching openings coming up next Bill Gates in for fits Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio in the piano. Spain and Fitz fun fact field up until a couple of years ago. I thought this song was get it mo-, which doesn't think yet it mo- get it makes no sense to sing along. And then I went to US. Hannam moss soccer friendly, and they played the song in the folks from Panama. We're very excited, and I looked around and noticed everyone was singing Panama, and I was like if you told me like, hey for awhile that that song was Canada that sounds closing. I don't know my. Serenading us with Canada Cooley, a deep cut from Canada. Not the first place. I'd go for St. hash. Then he there you go on this Morissette. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's put it on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. Let's put it on the poll. What else did you think that the song Panama was because I've had people reach out to me before with their versions of chemo. Kevin Kling clean, keep it. Keep it clean it. Spain events on ESPN radio the espionage and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and field Yates with you talking about the eight NFL coaching openings, and you never know there could be more, right? Sometimes there's that surprise where a playoff bound coach ends up being let go if there's a disappointing finish or something changes. But right now, we've got eight of them and field has established that the Browns are the team. He believes to have the best coaching opportunity. We've also got Bengals Packers. Dolphins jets bucks. Cardinals broncos. So let's little faster this time. So we have time to get to all of them. Let's try to rank some of the other teams. So you got next number two for me. Sarah's the Green Bay Packers. I understand that people are sitting here and talking about Aaron Rodgers not meeting expectations this year and being paid too much based off his performance while his going to continue to make a ton of money. And by the way, it's gonna be awesome against here. I made a new New Year's resolution to not overreact to the first month of the season. So not going to overreact to the last month of the very smart. Very smart taking more well rounded look at the season. Tony this keep firing off like where I just rang out. Well, I mean, I agree with you on that one. I do think that that roster meets a lot of help. So Aaron Rodgers is the most important part of why that's a good job. But the roster needs work you're in a great football city in Green Bay. But you're not in a in a massive, exciting metropolis. Right. So you have to be willing to buy into that small town vibe. And I think there's there are questions about management there. And exactly how they've drafted and run stuff and put talent around him. So I agree with you. But it'll be interesting to see how much this really is about getting more volved in modern playcalling versus just that. There wasn't enough talent there. I think that's fair. But let's keep things rolling. Your number three for me is the jets and the reason why put the jets next is. This is a team that is equipped to make improvements in a hurry. Sarah. Sam darnold will go into year two of his NFL career. He's twenty one years old. He's a baby he's going to get better. And he played well down the stretch for the jets. They have probably close to one hundred million dollars in cap space and the bears this past to your show that even if a quarterback in a second season is not fully at his realized potential. You can be much better by augmenting the roster with great pieces around him. The jets are quick to do. So and oh, by the way, they may need to because GM Mike mcalinden was kept. But I'm not sure that's for long. Let me ask you this about the jets. Do you think it matters to have particularly for this team? This is of course, important for for everyone. But for this team to have a coach that can handle criticism and be good with the media. This is such a circus. It's such a mess. They're always, you know, the the brunt of every joke, and so if it doesn't turn around quickly enough somebody who can view confidence in the fan base and the team. Yes, I am guaranteeing a massive massive factor. Obviously. He was eventually fired. But what helped cattle Rex Ryan was beloved for the first couple of years in rats singer, Tim that doesn't have it? Yeah. You need to have it. It's a real thing in that market. If you don't buy into it, then you're knowing facts again. But yes, you need a coach that is competent enough, which is why it's not Hollywood you'd have a coat. It's got some sydell to maybe cliff Kingsbury who is interviewing with them could be an interesting case that all right Spain fit Sarah Spain and field Yates filling in for fits number four of the eight open coaching gigs in the NFL who you got. I'm gonna go with the Broncos and people are going to say what is it? This is about the Broncos job the defense, not the same. The quarterback is probably going to be case keenum again next year. I'm going to fall back on a few things here. Sarah, first of all tradition. No job has tradition in the same way that the Browns and the Packers do amongst these eight openings the Broncos are pretty unique football town, you spend some time in Denver on a Sunday. When that team is competitive. It's really really neat. They dominate the sports scene there in Colorado. Moreover, I think the Broncos are prepare. Weird to go to a youth movement. And why that's important Sara is that a coach who's getting hired in theory. And I know that perhaps Steve Wilton Arizona would argue differently. But in theory, you should have some patients on your side. Right. I mean, if you're gonna go young that means you're gonna be able to tear it this thing down to the studs and build it back up potentially draft a young quarterback. But otherwise, go young across this roster that Broncos to me are fairly desirable job. John Elway is who he is. He's going to be there. And he's in a call the shots there. But I think the coach can have some respect for who. John Elway is because of the full resume of football content. Right. He's add some MRs is a GM of he really has for a while. When the Broncos were beating the Steelers charger for successive weeks this season, we were all talking to how the Bronco aren't that far away and worth noting to you mentioned history. This is the first time the Broncos have had back to back losing season since one thousand nine hundred seventy two so even if you are not looking at that roster and thinking they're in a great place right now. This doesn't seem to be a team that falls into a hole and sits in it for very long. They find their way back out. At least to put together winning seasons. Vance Joseph didn't have a longtime there to try to make things happen. But you're right. Hopefully, if they do bring in someone they'll give them enough time to work with those young people. All right. That's that's four hundred eight what's what's number five number five. And there's kind of a drop off is the buccaneers for me. And here's the trick with the buccaneers is that again, you're going somewhere where the GM has stayed despite some speculation that he might be ousted. So it's not as if you get to choose your own GM, and it's possible that the GM could be on the hot seat here. But you're bound to Jameis Winston for better or worse. Now, listen, I get it. Why James woods could be tantalizing in a positive way? But also had some warts on the field that you have seen. He has been up and down James went to be number five from your rapid fire. He's last year. Sarah, by the way, I think James Winston, and that job is not desirable to me because I think it ends up in a situation where you're just going to keep him around because he's not terrible. But he's never going to be good. And that's almost worse than starting fresh. I'll ramble on the two six and seven. Me sort of the same bucket. Arizona in Miami. It's hard to point to a ton of things that you say, all right. That's a big part of the future going forward. And the last one there that leaves the Bengals quarterbacks on certain divisions going to be very good for a long time and just a truly unique organizational setup unique. Meaning they don't care if they win and they're not invested in agnostic to Winnie's not good exactly coming up on Spain. Infants NFL wild card weekend is upon us. We'll look at the offensive and defensive lines will get in the trenches with go. Joe also, some some interesting interpretations of Panama next.

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 1

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 1

"That's messed up. That's a mess up way to start everybody. I mean, you're not raw. What are you gonna do? House. Weaking is good. Good good. Not bad. It was a no rain. Really? I mean rain a little bit. But that didn't happen. It was good good weekend. I must say I had the opportunity to visit the international of toxic hall of fame house. That was actually really amazed. When I'm a nerd anyway. So museums and things of that nature. I could spend hours in awareness. It's actually right outside of Verona, New York. I was there for design fight casino. Their work minutes away to hall of fame. I got a chance to hang out with Sugar Ray as looking at his artifacts. Also, they're almost exact day of the fight of the century and Madison Square Garden actually have the actual cold rain and the hall of fame. Like that big like that. Yeah. It's pretty cool. You Iraqi hall of fame visiting type of person, no disrespect intended to Verona New York. Why is it? They're great stories. So apparently, the it's only thirty nine years old. I believe three nine forty nine years old place. It is an odd place. That's why I was wondering. Fame's are in places though. That is true. Yeah. That is. Yeah. I mean, we're started by really Pash hands with cheap land, right? Like the buildings and really passionate people. Remember the college football used to be in south being they moved into the now. Yeah. Bill at least got you know. South in Atlanta, make more sense than Verona no south being south being Indiana. No way. No. But you don't put it. No, one wants to go to south being Indiana. We'll ask Loor. That's why. That's a fair. Nobody wants to go here to to it is it's not necessarily Notre Dame game. You're probably just keep moving right on exam. Eggs. What happened it happened? It happened a little bit later than we thought Antonio Brown. Did get traded to the Oakland Raiders for v. Fifth round pick which ki- you mentioned that they were not going to get a first round Amari Cooper, get your first round pick. But in Tokyo Brown gets you three to five. Yeah. I mean, but that's that's the league in itself though. And a lot of people really don't understand because he such a terrific player. You know, certainly hall of fame with incites in his career, and you would say, well, how could that be? But that's just the lead the league will not they're not gonna get a guy who's a six round pick and all of a sudden hit and then moving at thirty years old for one. It's just not this is not what they do. If you're a wise is age more than anything. It's a little bit. I think it's a little bit of both but more. So where he was drafted. They just don't it's almost like a meeting your fault when you passed on teams, don't, you know, people like I'm not gonna mitt that we missed on him. Now all of a sudden now years later, we give up first round pick for him. We should have did that years ago. They don't wanna do that. No. But we'll give you a three and a five we'll give you four and a five we'll give you five six to three. I mean, they could they'll do that all day long. It Tony around says that he's happy to be in Oakland. The right of maybe. Raider baby. Will be my family right now. We are my current. We just Madonna got me this cool hat so must be like in the pool or hanging out doing whatever it is in Tokyo Brown does he's happy. So every should be happy though in look when you look at the deal as a whole Travis and ills z it's a two year deal. That's a sensually. What it is. I mean, we could say three years whatever it's a two year deal. He parlayed that thirty plus million dollars that was left on a three year deal got two years out of the raiders a guarantee money when it was no guaranteed money coming out of Oakland. I mean coming out of Pittsburgh, which was a plus for him and his family. That's all it is a two year deal. And if you can get a two year deal, if you would a guy like Antonio, and whatever the future holds beyond those two years, you take you accept the thirty is not guaranteed. So Pittsburgh's problem is their franchise that don't guarantee contracts beyond with the signing. Bonuses are right. They're willing to. Give you a signing bonus in that. But they're not willing to guarantee anything in the contract. And that's where all fell apart it fell apart for them. When Antonio look that those last three years of his deal himself will wait a minute. I'm thirty years old. I'm still at the top of the game. There's no guarantee money if he would have been quiet said nothing just play good guy. He still got that money in September would no problem. But there's no chance there's not there wouldn't have been a chance for him to get the next year this year, he would have gotten which was about thirteen million even gotten f- for sure let me let me be let me take Jon Gruden side here for saying can I make this case because we've been hard on him. We've been critical of his decision making we've been critical of the way that they moved Khalil Mack and Marc Cooper and everything else. But let me results have been hard on them too. They have record terrible. They took Amari Cooper and got in Tonio Brown in that spun Antonio Brown better football player than more Cooper. Maybe it's not a huge margin. But he's he's had at least he's had. More more kind of success more consistent and in the process. They turned a three and a five new number one pick. So they got the better player in the higher pick. Can you not arguing that Jon Gruden at least in this particular scenario at that position? With those picks. He won that deal. What I was say is this if you telling me, this was all part of John gruden's master plan. They'll be like, oh my God. He's a genius that sees beyond all of us think he stumbled into it, you know, he's stumbled into it. So I don't like to give people credit from some sort of overseeing sort of perspective when you and I all know that he didn't plan on any of this. You can't plan for this. This was pure luck. He benefited from it. But I am more willing to give credit to a GM that you see it's playing chess as as opposed to somebody who is one of the diets just hit. Well, he look he here's the here's what it all boils down to man, they ever you want to look at it. They gave up Amari Cooper who. Who's young at twenty something years old more Cooper's going to get more money than Antonio guy? He's gonna get more money than that over longer. Periods of time. There's no question about it. You look at it at third around picking this call it third round the five that's just a if the five makes great if he doesn't no big deal. Third round picks usually make the teams they gave up with three to get an Tonio for two years. That's what they did. And they gave him thirty million dollars of guaranteed money that he would have he would have made with Pittsburgh unguaranteed. But he would have made the roster two more years. There's no question about it. So at the end of the day, John grooten looks great may I looks great look like they they robbed them without a mask on in. No question. No question about it. But where are they going? What what what what's the endgame is? This all of a sudden gonna take them in make them this. Great Super Bowl contender will. That's question. Isn't it that is this just a one off is this just something that they're going to do? And because as Z said that they kind of stumbled into the good fortune of a we can get in Tonio Brown. And we don't have to give up a lot to do it. Or is this the beginning of them doing something that's gonna make them a better football team in the very very short term. And they might not be done in that respect here. What other Pro Bowl or maybe on their way to Oakland as well? We'll tell you who that is. That is coming up next. Happy guy. Chris. No, happy birthday, L z. We missed you guys. Thank you. Where'd you calming complainers? Chelsea l z is fifty two years old. Brought to you. Oh, no, sixty to convert the Jaguar Land Rover of Newport Beach off the Seventy-three towards the sea. Visit Land Rover Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover above and beyond for Z. So guys, you know, I still got it how so our graduates. So how did that as you know? I was covering a fight. Yes. The fight lasted roughly about midnight. Right. So when we're done with broadcast flip. It's my birthday the design team goes as your perfectly. Let's go drinking sounds like let's say regard with drinking drinking drinking drinking two o'clock hits two o'clock is actually three o'clock now. All right. Yes. Because daylight savings time. My fried said five, oh, no you didn't. So I just wrote straight from the bar with upstairs stuffed closer to suitcase right to the hotel took a nap on the initial flight stayed up the whole flight over when out drank some more below Atlanta here. Yeah, I'm like functional who knows like six hours over two days. Birthday celebrations. God you gotta last night. I got in guiding yesterday. But I didn't the entire night is kinda looked like you were involved in boxing match. I was gonna ask couple times where you know. I got it. But it's it's got some stores. So yesterday was your birthday. Oh, so we all collectively misty yesterday. No, the people who actually care in love me remembered, nobody on this show. I did I asked you when you got in, you know. What have but I'm quite Birkdale. So thank you. Thank you, very much feel a little a little bad as where you should. All right. So November we got plenty of time. I missed. Everybody missing a few times apparently down look. Okay. The raiders have in Tonio Brown. They got that. We knew we suspected that that might be getting done. Now. Maybe that was just kind of the first move in what they're doing kind of rebuild this whole thing. Now, they're speculation that Levy on bell. Couldn't could go to the raiders as offer the offer him a similar contract to the one that they did for a be Derek Carr. Started following bell on Twitter after the got AB done. And we know that Derek Carr. Remember, he had those comments about ABC. And hey, you know, we really like him. We'd love to add great player. And maybe this is another telco. You said that once he started saying, hey, you know, we we love good players. Could this be the same thing? It could be. I mean, a BI obviously, there's some history with the raiders in Pittsburgh in terms of Intel and understanding what type of players that the getting Mike Tomlin worked under John Gruden when he was a defensive back coach. When Tony Dungy hired him. So Tomlin certainly could speak to labiancas is a person all those are things to get some familiarity in conference level with them. Plus the rate has got a lot of cap space. Yeah. Terms of money to spend in lady, I'm Bill is obviously looking for similar deal if not better than tie girlies, the raiders need a running back in the west coast system, lady I'm Bill fits good because he's a guy who could catch the ball out of the backfield as well as run the ball between the tackles. So you know, you you look at that. And that means it if it's me, I'm certainly going to go all in in trying to get it done. We're lady I'm Bill, but I'm Bill. What is it that lady? I'm Bill is looking for you looking for just the money. Are you looking for the money and championship kind of like a Bryce Harper situation baseball where he can get the money now is there a opportunity to play for team that's going to pay you and have a chance to go to the. Well, that's the question is which of those two things are the raiders are. The raiders just a team that has some money available, and they can throw it around and give it to somebody that is good player like levian bell. Or are they team that has some money that they can throw it around? And they're on the cusp of becoming a good football team. Here's Adam Schefter, talking about the Reiter base and how they're prepared for the future gotta rebuild that roster. Right now, there were massive holes created by the departures of Amari Cooper, and Khalil Mack. They've now gone out and acquired in Tonio Brown, which I think it's fair to say they filled the whole of wide receiver. They're positioned in this stress in a spot where they might be able to come up with a pass rusher though. It's hard to come up with somebody as good as Khalil Mack. And I think that moving into this new stadium in Las Vegas in twenty twenty there. I'm the future they're trying to build towards that. And look when you get a player like new brand is going to be thirty one years old Nick season. You take a major step towards making the offense more salvageable? Now, again, they still have a lot of work to do. But I think that they believe this is a. Major step in the right way. So let's play it out for second. They get levian Bill. Okay. Did Jon Gruden again. It's kind of the same question. It was Jon Gruden plank chess, or is this just the residue of some really Joaquin stuff that he did that turned out to be. Okay, they go back to VM barrels already available. He was available. Now, they can go get him and Tonio Brown age of quarterback that we've seen his played at a decent enough level that he can be your guy. I go back and it hasn't worked out. Exactly. Right. And we'll get to this down the road. But when at the end of the Kobe time when the Lakers kind of tried to put something together with Kobe give him one last shot and at the same time kind of tried to put together a Rosser they're really couldn't win. And they didn't either. They did neither thing. Well, they weren't bad enough. But they still kept getting the second ping pong ball. They still kept getting that number two. But I don't think that was by design. I think that was just more the residue of it, which one do the the raiders fall in design or just kind of fortunate that things are breaking their way. Well, let's start with this. When Jon Gruden was hired. Did you think that they were headed for the Super Bowl? No, okay. When Jon Gruden started meet making knows that you think he was going to the Super Bowl. All right. When you hear John gruden's name, do you think oh look out for this coach does he's putting them together when Jon Gruden calls you on the phone. You're the opposing team. Are you nervous about doing dealings with them? No. Then I would say based upon your series of knows that this was luck. Because to me when Bill Belichick calls you on the phone and says, hey, I got a trade idea you're nervous because you're worried that you're going to get out smarter. Right. When you hear certain coaches, a certain GM's are making phone calls or involved with something you are nervous because they have demonstrated a level of competency that always makes them look as if they're coming out on top when Jon Gruden calls with John groups names involve you really start to spurt because you had stiffly fake. He's. I do too stupid. So I don't think key that someone whose name when you hear breeze. No confidence in terms of long-term winning that you will look at what's happened with the Oakland Raiders. And think this was part of a plan. Will he is? Here's what I'm saying. It's not it wasn't part of a plan. But what I could say in all of this is for Johnny. Boy, he's a very bad talent evaluator as far as picking players draft any free agency. Are it's bad talent valuator? Doesn't mean that he made enough put people around him to evaluate talent. We don't know anybody could evaluate and Tony Brown. It's not hard. I mean, I. Oh, yeah. He's really I'll take him. It's easy to do that. I'm smart. It's gonna be hard for them or for him to find those other pieces to go around them to make them competitive. Those two guys if he was to get both of them. It's easy. That's a home run. Thirty other teams in the league take him. No question. But what are they going to do beyond that? Or can they valuate the third receiver the second receiver the defensive backs of pass rate specialists that they missed on when they didn't sign Khalil Mack. And now all of a sudden it had thirteen sacks to out the year. The this the next closest team was at thirty two. I believe they had thirteen the next closest team was thirty two you see that gap. Can they feel that gap with players to go get the quarterback to evaluate that will a missile? No sorties. That's the key. The key is not the big names. Anybody could we can go pick out of. Von Miller Hort, Donald not hard. Can we find us a guy who in the third round that's going to be an all pro? Can we find that guy? Can we Negga? That's the thing. He is not done. Well, but I'm not a Jon Gruden guy. But it's like even less now with me here. Well, that's probably true. That's probably true. You've educated wake up bras, come on, man. I think energy. I think what's interesting is that you look at it. And at the beginning of last season when he started doing what he's doing. We're like wouldn't the hell is he good? What's he puts trying to get done and fast forward the beginning of this season. And if Antonio Brown and Levy on Beller on this team. And maybe he picks you keep in mind. They got three first round draft picks to if they hit on a couple of those. I even if they miss on one, but hit onto all of a sudden a year later that's looking far far different than I think a lot of people would have imagined. It would they not gonna miss off three first round keep them. They go hit a one of somebody's gonna come out of. All right. So Jeff Van Gundy has some advice for the Lakers this upcoming off season. And what he suggested is pretty shocking here it next. Have you guys? Watching Indian Wells know what movie is. Well done well done if I miss anything speedy recovery. Serena Williams, she retired during her matches for illness. So speedy recovery. Compton zone. Yes. Local local, right. Yeah. It sounded this. We should move on from that. All right, Lakers. They lost to the the Celtics on Saturday night. And not a huge surprise. They're playing incredibly short handed, but Japan, Gundy, said something during the telecast that was interesting and seems like incredibly aggressive reaction to the fact that the Lakers have had a bad year. Here's Van Gundy during the game, and look I think in the off season. They have to rebuild this roskin. Right. Into me. It could be a trade with. Anthony Davis, or I think need to sport trading the Braun for getting this much as they can what are you doing? What are you doing? No. You gotta get on the right time. If I I'm going to say if I could trade in for the clippers into cap space, which would give me a better chance to get Durant or collide, Leonard would I not do that the broad James not get trading? Okay. Do you to put everything on? You. Can't I hear from the players? It's business. Everything is business. It's business than I have to do what festive my business. I'm not saying you deathly trade him saying everything's on the table to get this team better. Everything it will. He certainly will not be the next hick. You can take Jeff Van Gundy off the list of potential candidates. But look, I I'm not in the business of agreeing with Mark Jackson typically, but I'm with Mark Jackson still put doing they're not. They're not going to get LeBron James and then have a bad season, which they're in the midst of having and then turn around and trade him for what might be coming down the road. Lebron James is still one of the very best players in this league. You have to understand when you're in the midst of covering alive event in clearly, you know, this especially during Jeff Fisher's first season. That you have to come up with different angles and conversations because visually get tired of saying this team sucks. Yeah. Eventually get tired of saying, you know, this team's not accompany the disappointed sees like you can't keep saying to safety over and over again. And so you come up with different theories that can be just good fodder to compensate about. This is one is good fodder. You know, oh, if you would've trained abroad Jj, you could get Anthony Davis and a three team deal, and you can get like this guy like a whole bunch of first round, pigs, blah, blah, blah. That's true. You could probably do that. But this isn't this isn't Herschel Walker. We're talking. No, where if you trade the games best player has no impact. Cut you off. But you mentioned Herschel Walker that worked out pretty well. The cowboys. In that case that now wait hold on a second. Maybe I wanted. Herschel Walker because one no-show long was never to give you the equivalence Lia. What the rate with Dallas Cowboys got Herschel Walker not LeBron James. So let's stop that. I mean, it sound good because you sitting there going, okay? That one year experiment didn't work. So let's move on. But it was never a one year deal. No, this was you know, they they looked at the next year and the Knicks she and the next year not this one year. So why would you try to guy that you put all this into that still can play steal the top dude in the NBA to do? What you you you still need multiple players to come to LA the play. Okay. Again. Let me be clear as I can with this. I'm not advocating for this. But if I'm reading Jeff Van Gundy, what he said key what you said like us at trade LeBron for what well trade him because having the Braun is not the answer to my problems having LeBron does not get me pass, Golden State. It hasn't even gotten. Into the playoffs. Now, there are some extenuating circumstances, obviously. But you could be saying that this is not going to get better moving forward. It. Maybe it'll get slightly better. Maybe instead of him missing eighteen games, miss twelve or ten or whatever it is. But I don't have what I need. What I need is more talent. What I can get is more picks more space more this that in the next push it off another five years. Well, no what I'm doing is. I'm exceleron the line because I might be pushing it off for three or four more years anyway with LeBron and I don't have the assets that I could get coming back. You you look incompetent if you move heaven and earth in your first year to accommodate for LeBron. And then you flip them, you know, they did you think about how quickly they did to move people out in order to the cap space to make any of this conversation possible. It was all with the one goal of trying to be able to sign a brand chains. You got your first goal when you got hired you said as a three to four year plan. All right. This is. Season one of that plan. If you try to flip him, you look like you've panicking, right and no one wants to go to a panicky organization. That's just trading for the sake of trades. So for the simple fact that you need to stabilize your credibility. You can't even think about trying to flip him because your initial plan was to get him. And now you're banning it without actually implementing it. I think that's as good of an argument for to not do it as anything else that you need to stay the course for a little bit. Now, the other word van to us at the very beginning of that is that they need to rebuild the team. So does that mean that they rebuild that LeBron is the piece that you have and everything else is open for discussion. And that he's the one piece that you're gonna bring back or does the rebuild mean you rebuild the Rondo piece. Stevenson piece McGee and everything else is gonna stay. You have to you have to do it. Anyway, there ought to win your deals. I didn't make myself clear what I'm talking about. Lonzo Ingram Coosa heart or all those guys part of a quote unquote, rebuild in in the sense that look everybody's undervaluation with the exception of number twenty three. But remember that's always been the case. That was the case coming into wasn't key. It wasn't to the year was this year. But keep in mind, they decided not to get Paul George because they were in on Brandon Ingram, though. Some of these guys were not available. Well, Brandon Ingram they still like, and they still in branding doesn't mean that because we see ran the erased something they see something totally different now, obviously just got hurt. And so that changes he's a little bit. But the last two months would have months he's been terrific. He has riff, but that's what I'm talking about who's available who's not what does the rebuild look like that's what the Lakers need to figure out and what they're going to do for the last fifteen up. It's a new more shutdown. What does it mean? That's next. Wait a minute. But. It is his birthday. But this is this is a. Well, what did you? What did you say Chris is it not what is bigger hits? Whose heads tippling gonna play this for Timbo? I am this is one of those check with me moment, you should have checked asleep. So okay. Exactly. Right. You know, tiptoes got his old stuff. I know. But this was not a big hit. We'll do better later. This was a big hit was not a very. Let's not even over to Q. Later. Did this jimbo's birthday? Well, again, guys big hit. Oh boy. Geico do Rosh. I I still have no idea what you guys are talking about. Here. I'll help you. I don't know. That was never mind. I'm gonna. Unpack that wrong. And then it'll be a whole different thing. We'll we'll we'll circle back to it. Brandon Ingram out for the year. Lonzo ball out for the year. We've got guys that are very important to the future of the Laker presumably that there were not going to see over the course of the last fifteen or sixteen games of the season. So I mean, what do do you just you just pack it in I know that LeBron's going to play under a minutes. Limit. I know that he's probably he played Celtics played pretty well. Lebron game. But do you just have a Bronco out there? Get his triple double or near that. And Louis minute. Minute ping pong balls. Just play basketball. Whatever happens happens that you. You know, you just play whatever you have you you play the last ten games so season, and whatever it is that you have out on the floor. That's what you do. I mean, people say pack in it's like it's already packed in. What else can you do packing it in? But I mean, do you just literally go out there and take the wrong word because that sounds bad? But do you just do you know that there's no chance for anything? So these last sixteen games. Do you go out of your way to make sure that you try to lose his many of the sixteen as you can because like it's not likely, but the more ping pong balls. You throw into that the more likely maybe you get a Zion Williamson bounce. Yes. Go ahead. Do play hard at the five. Legible run the point. You know, that's what we do. Here's LeBron tug about the ball. Ingram injury news and just the the mess. It's been this season more important than just the you put everything in perspective ended out when we played a game that we love and our our leagues all about wins and losses, and that's what it's all about. But you know, when you have something like that happen, you able to put in perspective and understand how for knows things are as well. And then own flipside, you just don't take an opportunity for granted. When you do get on the floor because it can be taken away from you in your UC's can be shut down. I like. And those since their cases of obviously, we wish the best of health not only to be. I always well. So Brandon Ingram has a DVD which is a deep vein. Thrombosis? It is a blood clot issue, which can be really serious if it's not treated if you get treated, you should be fine. This is something that they can treat. But this was not just a, you know, he twisted his ankle. So let's shut him down for the rest of the season. This was a real medical event. Right. Right. When and as well as he's playing in obviously, very disappointing because you wanted to see him the season's lost. But was not laws is your opportunity t- valuate you opportunity to grow. If you're young play Brandon Ingram, and from sake your opportunity to showcase what this is. In case you want to try to include it for something else to any off-season all that get slightly derailed. But I think Brandon Ingram put together enough when Canada flipped over you guys that if his name is mentioned, his value is values up because. Together, a nice run there in which you can look at that. And if you say, hey, man, I wanna flip that for Anthony Davis not on sending the new GM from New Orleans. Not going not trashy. They're gonna go going. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can use that piece done that now. In my opinion. He's also done enough that you don't necessarily rush throw his name into the trade head again. The name is. For magic and rob. Anyway, as a hold on him if they can't, but when anti-daewoo comes up, and they mention him as part of the package because Anthony Davis is such a strong player in this league. You certainly would look to move in. But you would wanna hold you back. If something else came up, you're not gonna you won't throw him in the deal for Dame. Lillard? Are you all throw in the deal for you, know, know, you want? No. Three years. They've missed the playoffs. All three years. I know he's getting better. But I this idea that he's untouchable guy just. Better. But this idea that everything I can hold him back. No. If there's a Dane Lillard is an NBA all star who's a difference maker just about every single night. I'm taking that guy. I'm taking that. Listen, all I was saying was is that remember I would say around November December we were all sort of what I won't be for key asserting traveling. We were kind of going, you know, that's that's just a guy. You can go ahead move that. I don't care knows more than just now. I feel differently about it. Now, I'm like going, you know, what honestly since y'all since the Kaunda flip. But definitely after the all star break, he's been straight balling. And you could see why magic and rob like going we can keep him and at Paul George and then have the Brown. We'll be nice you see now what they're talking about. Because Brandon Ingram has been consistent. He's always shown flashes. But this stretch has been consistent. And that's the reason why I wouldn't hold them back for Anthony Davis. But if it comes to like. Daimler would I consider more of a tier two all-star talent? When it comes to those guys tier two all star talent better than a no all-star talent. Yes. But if you have Brandon Ingram, but you have to pay Daimler money and have similar production. That's what I'm talking about. I look Brandon Ingram. I'm with you. I've come back to the point where I think he's a very good player. I think he's a guy that if he's on your team, you're happy to have him that he's a valuable valuable guy. I also think that if I can get a guy that's an all star that that is a guy that is more of a I don't need to project quite as much as to what it is. But what rather what it is right now, I'm going to do it. The lakers. I think have gotten into a little bit of trouble constantly doing the. Let's wait and see what this looks like. And then it doesn't really look like anything that is. I gotta have it. I mean, and then the guys that they do move turn into be other guys. Now, maybe this is a conversation. That's a little bit different that are they moving the right guys. Or is it just the fact that they're moving out is what kind of freeze them up. You look at Julius Randle enough. Orleans. You look at the Angelo Russell in Brooklyn. Both of those guys are arguably having the best years of their careers, and it was their first years away from this team. Yeah. But but because of their the only thing on those teams though, I mean, if you really look at it they date shot. They would not that with the Lakers Lakers trying to do something with multiple players. Will you look at Brooklyn? I mean, he's the main focus you look at the pelicans now, Randall's the main focus AD out so in random had a good year last year. We I mean, he really did it Russell has some bright spots here near he was overshadowed by talking by doing. Yeah. Basically by snitching in doing some of the Rosh type stuff. Wake-up rows me. I haven't heard you. Well, it's funny. You mentioned that Keyshawn because if you have the key word from Saturday's Laker game. Make sure you listen during the seven AM our for key shots you to call. We'll have a chance to win sweet passes to the Lakers game on April the seven as right say listen Lakers versus bull game tomorrow night for another keyword here. Is that better that is better? That was nice rich. Yeah. Voice has a little suffering. It does had a rough weekend. See win last night. Oh, really? Yeah. Good times. Lots christian. Who's that player with not gallons? Went to the game. And he did. Well, yes. Yes. China's He did for him. We'll do some world call later in about an hour, but went to the game and lots of people were asking about. Whereas e because they're to seeing you there and Travis they even asked about you. You're gonna make it to a game this year. I'd love to. Okay. You should come on out. I wanna see Christian play. All right. I just did not seem think. Yeah. I like going to games I like going to see fun stuff. You're not working. So you get to come to a tailgate. You get with me this time. Absolutely. Not we put down a whole big thing to kill max. I don't wanna hang out with you. Oh, that's okay. Feeling good. We'll see. No, I definitely want to go. All right. So the Rams they added a couple of players over the weekend. Another first round pick as well. We'll tell you who it is.

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 521: Kaep and NFL Finally Settle (2-18-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 521: Kaep and NFL Finally Settle (2-18-2019)

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It was India also weaken this weekend. But the some more big news in the world of football. Now, only did we have the af week two matchups that we're still entertaining as week one was, but we also have capital in the NFL finally settling. This lawsuit has been going on for quite some time. Also, we have comments in Tonio Brown and his thoughts about Ben Rothlisberger in what's keeping them apart. And maybe even the reason he's asking for the trade. So we'll talk about later bits. But first, we'll talk about the NFL and Colin Kaepernick as they decided for this lawsuit to be settled out of court for up to sixty to eighty million maybe possibly under the fifty million Mark. But regardless capper is getting a boatload of cash, and this seems to be over. For the time being what are your thoughts on this whole situation, Mark? Yeah. A lot of people have offered their strong opinions over the last few days after we heard the settlement between the NFL. And Colin Kaepernick what we don't know. Exactly. How much the settlement is for? We've only seen rumors and reports, but as we know with a nondisclosure agreement. It's not like capper, Nick and his people can run out and tell everybody exactly what they were able to get from the NFL. So all that set. It sounds like he's getting somewhere in between sixty and eighty million dollars for this settlement. Which seems there's a lot of reports out there that suggest that I've seen lower seen higher. But I do think it's considerable because I don't believe that they would settle without some sort of large fee attached to it. Anyways, we talked about who. One. Between the two parties. I think first and foremost, Colin Kaepernick won because the NFL he got money. That's the bottom line on that one. Right. And we don't know what the money is. But the bottom line here is at the NFL fights tooth and nail against lawsuits. They don't usually settle out of court. It's not in their MO to do that. A lot of people say right away. A lot of people said like, oh, well, that's a big company or corporation. They're just going to settle out of court. It doesn't mean that they're admitting guilt. Correct. That there is a valid point there. However, it's the NFL we're not talking. They have the best lawyers in the entire world. But they're super they're super, I guess. Assistant sensitive sensitive about their image. Because of all the hits the image of the NFL's taken over the years, not just domestic violence, but more importantly concussions. Oh, yeah. You know, the health. There's a lot of bad on there. There's a lot of bad imaging. Exactly you have the anthem. Yeah. The concussions you had. All types of the NFL getting hit from different ways. And they usually fight these things tooth and nail. And for them to kind of take their L, you could say and settle out of court. I think signals that either collusion happen either one of two things either collusion happen. And there is evidence says please don't sign capper Nic don't do this don't do that. Or there's other information that the NFL owners don't want the general public finding out about because what would happen is a general scrub of emails and and things like that. So they may have may not have found that there's collusion with kapernick. But maybe there's information there that the NFL doesn't want the public to see. And that is interesting regardless they set a lot of court, and I feel like the NFL takes a small victory from this. I feel like they think they've won and for you can make. Point that they probably did win some regard. I still think overall they take a loss here and car Colin cabinet takes a win. But the NFL takes a small victory and itself to. Yeah. This whole bad. Then news thing is finally over like, this has been a kind of a sore pain in right? But if you for the NFL, yes, exactly there's there's not much really go on from anymore. They can move on. They can do something bells. And now the question is like cavern had cabinet has said apparently that this all supposed. I'm not sure this is all factual or not that he wants to still play really badly in the NFL, which that is a tough that is a tall glass to order in the situation. Just based on the fact, you just got out of a lawsuit with them. And that's the entire league. That's all the owners of the league, you know, like, that's that's every single team. You're kinda had a bad. What's bad rep? With all of a sudden. So. So now, I got to ask is he ever gonna play another down the NFL? Or is this the last we'll ever hear calling Kabir, Nick? Yeah. That's a really tough thing. You know, we're supposed to have strong opinions on stuff like this. I don't really have a strong opinion on something like this because I could see go either way on one hand he's better than five or six starters in the NFL. We still last time we saw him play. It's been awhile. But he's better than a lot of a lot of players in the NFL, not not just started. But he's definitely more capable than probably every single backup quarterback the NFL, maybe minus one or two. But regardless there's no question that he's talented enough to be a quarterback in the NFL. Now. What does that mean? Right. Like does he want to be a third string quarterback somewhere? Does. He wanna make a million dollars a year. Probably not. So there isn't pushing pool and it comes to that. But. I can see most teams probably not entertaining the idea of capper Nick ever playing for them again or even thinking about it. But at the same time it only takes one team in. We don't know. Maybe there's an owner out there that doesn't really care. Maybe there's an owner out there that thinks I'd love to have Colin Kaepernick for five million dollars a backup quarterback if you will take it with three Gelt to him. So it only takes one team. We also don't know if he has the ability to put in the NFL again because since it was a non disclosure agreement. We actually don't I guess technically know if he was giving money to walk away for good or just money to settle this case. Now, it sounds like that wasn't the case because capper Knicks lawyer Mark Garriga pretty adamant that he would be playing in the NFL again. So with that being said, it sounds like, you know, this the settlement was just the money to stop the collision case. But that he would still be. Allowed to be employed by an NFL team. Yeah. So we've now we I guess the whole settlement might just be a way for cabinet to be back in the NFL. Who knows what the actual scenario is. It's all confidential that's confidential agreements. We really no idea. What the actual reasoning is for all this. It's been over a year. I think since his lawsuit even started, right? I'm maybe maybe. It's been it's been a long time. Yeah. And so there is a bunch of other reasons why this could have happened that we don't know. Of course. So it's all based off assumption. This is all some shit, and we have no idea what is going to be case for this. But in my mind, if Colin Kaepernick does go to a team, he's probably gonna be there to be their starting quarterback. I don't think he's gonna go to be their backup. But maybe at one point because he is really need to be a backup because of the money. He probably has at the time right now. So I think it's all if he does get signed to a team it's going to be a starting job. But at the moment, there are some starting jobs available. But also the draft is upon us as well. So it's tough to say if team will even sign them by this season. But if he doesn't sign the season next season's probably be his last shot to find a team. Yeah. I don't think I mean, keep might put in the NFL. But no team is going to say, hey, we want you to be our starting quarterback. I mean, they might offer a chance to fight for the job. They offer a chance to make a roster spot. But I mean, there's not we don't know if there's a teen that's interested in signing him. But I can guarantee that there's no tina's can be. Hey, we want you to be our starting quarterback. You're giving these teams way too much credit. What do you mean by that? Like, there's sometimes we're shocked by some outcomes, for example, Joe flacco being traded to the Broncos like we then sell that coming. So there's been unexpected turn of events of where some thought Joe far could get traded to team that needed a quarterback this year, though. I mean, that's I think the Broncos were the last on our list, right? But you're splitting hairs right now. Like, yeah. Maybe the Broncos weren't the team that we expect it. But we kind of expect him to be a starting quarterback for the dolphins. Broncos. The giants like one of these teams was going to step up and take flacco. Maybe they were waiting for him to get cut. But I mean. He's still Joe flacco like he still plays in the NFL cabinet has played the NFL three years. He's got this dark cloud over him. A lot of people won't even touch him. He could we literally? No. That teams would rather start Nathan Peterman over Colin Kaepernick, we know this. Well, I'm going to say that with this is like Nain peanuts. Starting do the I think it was still he's still in the middle of his lawsuit. So I think that's why he wasn't looked at to be signed. Maybe some teams were interested in signing. But like this is too much during our lawsuit with him like every NFL owner was involved in this. So you'd probably a lot of info talking the GM's or saying, you can't go the cabinet, and there's probably a lot of GM's. I wanted to go the Karnik we have no idea does face off this loss of loss of really puts damper on like what really were these front office managers thinking when it comes to finding a quarterback maybe for the bills. Nathan Peterman was their only shot at getting a quarterback at the time because they couldn't go after anyone else. We also saw a team fighting for a playoff. Spot in division title, sign a quarterback that hadn't played in the league in like five or six years in Josh Johnson over Colin Kaepernick, and yeah that was during a collusion case, but he could have been employed during this time, we don't know. I mean, that'd be collusion. I yeah. I don't think he was gonna be signed with team during this whole case. So I think the Redskins were in a desperate situation. If they weren't teams not signed him before the schools in case. And that was when he was in the prime of his career, but he was also kind of talking a lot to the media about all this stuff to fill this all the Seahawks bring him in. And then they did not offer a contract. They did bring him in for workout yet. There's still there's so much. We all know about too when it comes down to how teen Sheila back, Colin Kaepernick. It may not be the fact they think Nathan Peterman is better than Colin cabinet because he's not I think is just because of the fact like data want to be involved with Colin Kaepernick during this whole. Even before the collusion as even started. It seemed like the whole kneeling down thing and the national anthem really put tamper with people on deal with back to what we talked about it for it's not. But he's not getting enough to Phillies curly good enough in the NFL. It's is his distraction good enough. Or is he good enough to get passes distraction because we know that if Tom Brady kneeled for every national anthem that he would still be the starting quarterback for the for the patriots next year when Aaron Rodgers he's still be the quarterback for the Packers Rory's did it he'd be the quarterback of the Saint sector. You know, why because those guys are Super Bowl champions and also MVP caliber players and hall of fame caliber players, it just they could do something. Controversial. And it would be. Okay. Well, let me counter that with this. If Callan covered did win the Super Bowl or he did the kneeling down during the run of where he was the hottest quarterback in the NFL. Would he fund job right now? Do you think that's slump at the end? If you won the Super Bowl, it would've changed anything because he was obviously a play away from winning the Super Bowl. I it doesn't mean you're better quarterback or a worse quarterback. Because Crabtree didn't make the catch. You know what I mean like because they couldn't punch it in from four yards out. But the thing is is that he fold up that season with some tumultuous seasons. Now say what you wanna bet. Well, after the super he went to the NFC gem Cheney, but after that you had some trouble. But like during that time with during that run through bland game. If he did do the kneeling. I think some teams are still kind of very highly because in his two seasons as to one and a half season as the starting quarterback. He went to the Super Bowl and Wednesday in for remove it doesn't matter because all people are going to remember the last three or four years as starting quarterback in the NFL, which wasn't very good. Now. It wasn't terrible. It was a lot. And also his team around. It was awful quarterback a terrible football team. He also had chip Kelly as a coach he also had Jim Thome sewers coach. Like, look, Colin Kaepernick was the least the forty Niners problems for about those two really? He was really you can say it was the last of their concerns because it wasn't they needed a quarterback they needed everything numbers actually weren't half bad as a starting quarterback. We're the worst time. Yeah. So I think it's not just based off his play. I just think it's based off just as whole, right? It's back to what I say. Yeah. Mathematical equation. It's are you good enough to warrant the that? We're going to take a franchise if we sign you in if you're not if you're just mediocre or below average or you're not going to really help us win too, many football games. Then we'd rather throw Nathan Peterman out there as silly assassins. Honestly, I think if Kabir did go to the builder and the whole slump of quarterbacks he could at least put them in contention to win games. I don't think he's below mediocre or anything of that nature. I think he's still pretty solid quarterback that can star in the NFL. I know it's been three years. Three years. And it also doesn't mean he has been training has been in the GM has been working on his foot against NFL defense in three years. Like, I mean, I see what you're saying physically. He should be okay. And I don't disagree with that. But his his flaws were always mental his flaws were always the mechanical part of the game and not playing and not being coached and not being. I guess tweaked to perfection in three years can really hurt a guy like that. Now, I'm sure he could be okay might take some time to figure it out. But it's I don't expect him to be able to just come in reading defenses because he's never get at that. That was never a strength. His. So I think it'd be even more of a struggle for him. But I mean, yeah, let's be real. If he was a great NFL quarterback the last two years he played he'd be on a team right now. It'd probably be a starter. Yeah. True. There's still a lot of questions about him. And like how he's gonna play. But honestly with all the quarterbacks we've seen the last couple of years. He would be an upgrade for most teams on us in the situation. But of course, I think the main problem with this right now is there are there. Multiple quarterbacks in the draft that looking pretty good. And that's what he's probably gonna get not picked up this year. But I think if he's gonna get sign. Signed before net. Like next season. It's going to be in the middle of the season when corvettes not workout or gets injured or something. I think he's getting pulled into the fray that's his best shot. That's all I I don't see them getting signed this offseason. But during the season, I think there's a good possibility. All depends on what happens because I mean, we saw Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna be the guy in the forty Niners and be this savior. And then he tore zeal week three. And then they were dead in the water like south like that can happen. And then the Nathan Peterman thing just speaks for itself soon as tyrod Taylor at the Browns in Mayfield coming back. There was no Mayfield that what would they do? Like, there's still so many questions to be answered when it comes to the NFL season because all of this can happen with any team. So we'll see how that all goes down this season. But I think this whole Colin Kaepernick era with the NFL problems is over I truly believe that. And I think we're just time to move on from all this so questionable remain being on mean an NFL team science capper nigger brings him in training camp preseason, we'll see their number teams out there. That could use hope quarterback. But there are also a of decent free agents out there as well. So it may take a big injury or two before he's actually considered. Yes. Absolutely. Any other comments about capital? No, no. I think we are probably good. All right. Then we will take a break when we come back. 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And that being settled question, Mark. But now moving onto Tony Brown who had some words to say about bender out this burger, he did a Cuban on Twitter the other day. And basically how it all went down was someone asked what caused the conflicts between you and Ben Rothlisberger. And this is what he said, quote, no conflict, just a matter of respect mutual respect. He has owner mentality. Like, he could call out anybody, including coaches players in players players know that they can can't say anything about it. Otherwise, they meal ticket gone. So I'm swimming their meal. Ticket gone is gone. He didn't use proper grammar and it's bothering me. It's dirty game within a game. Now, Ben authors has publicly that he has quote earned the right to criticize anybody he wants on his team, which I think is obscure and horrifying thing anyone's ever said because that could not be further from the truth because you need to be a leader not a guy that really pulls your team in two different directions. I can you can even even express that he can be cancer in some ways. But regardless. Do you think this comments about Ben Rothlisberger by Tony around? Do you think that if he does return to the do you think they can recover from this? I mean. I just think continue Brown is just going to keep being thorn in the side of the Pittsburgh Steelers until he gets his wish and gets traded. But. I think there's some truth to this too. And the reason why say that is, you know, a lot of people talk about but I feel like Ben Rothlisberger is a player in this league. A quarterback this like that? I don't really see former teammates of his really like take his bad. Guys coming to his defense a lot. I guess we'll see. Now, we'll see what the reaction is from former Steelers players about Ben Rothlisberger. Even current honestly tell you ain't to be completely honest. I see people taking AB side more than bronze burger side when it comes down to abuse. Ben Rothlisberger seems to not have made a lot of friends in the NFL. It just seems to be that way. And there's always been guys have criticized Ben Rothlisberger and his leadership, quote, unquote. And so he's not what you would call an average leader are quarterback leader. Because it seems like some guys don't like him. Just it just to me. It seems to me that with at. That's what's going down the long run. But again, this is all speculation. But it just like from what the comments of Ben is made in the past as well. It just feels like he's not fit to be leader. Right. He maybe he doesn't know how to lead. Maybe he thinks this way. But it's really another way. I really don't know. But there are some question marks about Ben Rothlisberger. Character. I mean, it's something that I think continues to loom over this team. But it doesn't seem like Rosberg. Your may be the easiest player to play for. But at the same time he knows maybe Antonio Brown is even worse to play. Absolutely. There's no doubt that he can be a thorn in other players sides as well. But it's got to start an end with a quarterback quarterback has to be the leader quarterback has to be the guy that you can rally behind and help out and be close to I understand why receiver is important positions as well. But of course, when you looking at position in who is more of a needs to be more leader, it's gonna be Ben Rothlisberger. And it just I know he's won two Super Bowls. I get that. But. Like, you said, I haven't I haven't seen anyone praise. Ben rothlisberger. After they've finished playing with him. Like, you expect some too. I am seen one. And that's a big problem, honestly. And that's a big problem. When regards to the Steelers like is it is it a Steeler mentality. Or is it like Ben Rothlisberger telling me he was like groomed into becoming this kind of almost selfish quarterback by the Steelers. Like who knows how this all transpired? Maybe he was like this Miami of Ohio. But it just seems to me that Ben Rothlisberger is not cut out to be a leader. This is my opinion, of course. But a little late to say. Yeah. True. But honestly, like thirty six year old quarter. But what I'm saying is like if you're not praised by lease one player on your team. I mean, he might be. I just don't remember if it's a third string player, that's one. I don't really care. But if it's one the top players in the NFL, and there were honesty ler ever nothing. Pro pollen Mulu James Harrison, I've heard nothing from these guys that had been former Steelers Drome beds, even. Haven't heard anything about him and his word Hines ward, especially that was one of his go to receiver Antonio homes got him in on rental. Oh, my I forgot about him. The he threw a touchdown passing the Super Bowl or Antoine. Randle. The quarterback version of the wider, see reversion. Touchdown pass. In the Super Bowl has had a couple of quarterback. The only town word is also former quarterback he was a quarterback at Georgia. That is true. But when you're looking at a DRO on like back to drone beds. He actually did. Thank Ben relatives were during hall of fame speech, but only because he made that shoe string tackle during their run to the Super Bowl against the colts in the play offs nothing else. So it wasn't like thank you for being a friend or thank you for being this. Thank you for one shoestring tackle that helped me win a Super Bowl. So obviously, Ben rob this burgers, personal life doesn't really seem to be. Well, what's the word? I'm looking for. Maybe you know, I hate to say it. But when he made those comments about he's he's made he's earned the right to criticize others feel like he's almost thirty six. He's still matured. And it really bothers me to say that maybe it just seems like he is a tough guy to be teammates with. Seems I don't wanna like sound putting him down or anything, but he comes off as selfish doesn't he? He's a great player. He's a great quarterback future. All Famer I would agree with that. But man as a team leader behind the scenes in the locker room and stuff. He is not the hall of Famer in any any aspect on the field. Definitely. But also field. No, I really don't see it. And that's very unfortunate. And you can also say that he's also a factor of why Tony Brown wants to leave. He also could be a major reason. That's the reason reason maybe he is. Yes. Bottom line is in Tony Brown said these things, and it could also mean the death of like any type of patching up. They can have together. Because if I don't think these guys can get along after those right? I don't think they were getting along regardless to be honest with you. But bottom line is this seems like the end for authors ver not rigors use me for Antonio Brown in the on the Steelers. I honestly do not see any way, shape or form. He plays to the Steelers next season. Well, I mean, we've talked about it like there's a lot of money in stuff going on here. So I think I think rob this. I think in Tony breads may get to a point where they don't even give like the money's a problem. Sure. But he's pushed into a limited like what screw this promise. You twenty million dollars means something to the owner of the team. Yeah. But I'm just saying that others are going to be like trying to convince their owner like we just gotta get rid of this guy. I can't stand him or so on and so forth. He certainly might be on a different team next year. But I I would think that you would be, you know, little naive. If you're not looking at the financial implications here. It's not like it's a five million. I'm not like I'm not being about the guy. I know what the cost is. It's dead cap. It's it's worthless. Money, basically that they're going to give up, but man, you're giving up your you're getting hit hard twice. You're getting hit hard by losing one of the best wide receivers to play the game of football. Plus, you're paying somebody else to take him for twenty million dollars. That's that's a just reminds me. A lot of like, I know Terrell Owens me off the Niners wasn't the same way. Moneywise put it off the same way in like one of the worst moves foreigners ever made. But you'd looking at how it all happened. How the trade happened a lot of the same things are in place this way. So that the tro and the forty Niners trade getting rid of thrones for defensive end and a third round pick believe it was at the time was bad. But they wanted to get rid of him as fast as Paul. Yeah. Regretted it. Yeah. But it was in the moment type thing. And I think that's what it's gonna lead to is going to be in a moment with her so p owed at in Tokyo Brown, if there's no financial implications. Gone for sure, but I think you cannot I don't care how much crappy talks about the team or the players like you just cannot. Think that they're just going to get rid of him? You know, like, yeah, they could get lewd by via trade. But I don't know if it's in their interest to just take anything for him. I think that they will be very calculated in this move, and they need to be. I mean, you don't wanna just do have to be when it comes down to the financial purposes of this. But this is reminding me a lot of that Trillo in straight from the forty Niners to the eagles. Because like, you know, how often he bashed Jeff Garcia Torello instead at least and it just like it's leading. I know the scares the crap out of the Steelers though, knowing what happened after that Torello straight of the forty Niners. I don't think that thinking of that to be really good in the Niners went to the dumpster. Yeah. But honestly, the Niners were heading that direction regardless because Jeff Garcia was good to go anyways to the Browns that was probably destined to happen. So it's all one of those things where it's just. It just has it just how that's how it goes. It just that. That's what they were both destined to go then honors had their run in the nineties, and this was going to be the end of that run. And. And it's just one of those things where you look at the facts of this isn't looking good for the Steelers. And I think I know you've said this one hundred million times they don't rebuild, but we might be in a place where they are going to rebuild. Never seen it happen. Well, we're gonna we're about to see it because I don't see this is changing anytime soon like this is this is getting to a point where this team is falling apart as we speak, and there is a first for everything. So we might see a I rebuilt for the Steelers. Because man, they do not look it for the future with all this commotion going on this trade looming this possible trade looming and all this things and. It's just one of those things you look at it. And there's no good ending for the Steelers in this. Are getting screwed one way or another. Yeah. I mean, look man, there's just a big financial -cation here. Like, yeah. He could get treated. I wouldn't be shocked got traded. But. I don't think it's so easy. As man, this guy is just being jerk. And they wanna get rid of them. Like, I don't know the eagle or the Steelers had no problem with letting Livy on Bill just do own thing this year, and they're. They're pretty strong organization comes to this kind of stuff. But we'll see man we will see we're in Tonio Brown plays next year. It's not out of the question that you know, they just reconciled. He plays for the Steelers this year. It's not. Yeah. But I think throughout the season there's gonna be a lot of animosity. It's got to be ugly. But we're talking about like this in just start yesterday. You know, what I mean like in Tony Brown belts? There's been a lot of egos on the Steelers for like the last decade, you know, maybe even longer than that. They just have a lot of big personalities even their offense. Vine men have big personalities like penalty is one of the most animated people in this league. He's center. Yeah. Rothlisburger big personality Levy on Bill big personality Antonio Brown, even juju Smith, Schuster personnel. They just have these characters in. Yeah. They're talking trash right now. They're the this might be headed for. A divorce? We already we already know Levy on bells. Pretty much a transition tag on him. They just announced that they are putting the transition tag on Bill, which means they now have the right of first refusal. They could technically bring him back in. He has no say, yeah. And that's and after what happened throughout that. And like him not playing the entire season. That's not a good sign of things to come to be completely honest. The Steelers though, it makes total sense. They can use a transition tag on one player. There's really nobody else on the team that they can use it on. So it's one of those either use it or you don't. But you only get one option you don't get to Bank it you don't get to add onto future use. But what's stopping Livy on from just holding out again, nothing? Yeah. Exactly. So it would be crazy to do it again. Yeah. But again, it's one of those things, and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know he ain't doing it. Again, come on levian Bill surprise me throughout this entire season that he. Did it? So he held out for one year. He's not going to hold out for two full NFL seasons. And then not get paid at all for two seasons. I just putting well I just don't see him playing for the again. I don't know. I don't care what they transition tag frame tag was your mama's tag. I don't care. I don't think he's playing another down for them. I don't I don't I think he's running to sit on that bench rather than play. Another team is going to sign him too. Big contract. The Steelers will you will not use the right of first refusal little say, yeah, we're not going to match that. I think that's how this millions. But if he doesn't get the contract that he's looking for and it's reasonable for the Steelers. They'll probably just resign him. And then he's in. Yeah. Yeah. But this whole just all everything Steelers is happening is not benefiting for the Steelers in the slightest. This is all hurting the Steelers. And this is this is just nothing. Bad nursing good is gonna happen for this thing. This whole situation Brown is hurting himself if he wants to get treated he's going about this in the roadway like he couldn't be he's not helping his cause he's getting in trouble off the field. He's being a jerk. Like, why does it team want to go trade for him? If they see he's a terrible teammate. And he's a big personality. And he's got off the field problems. Like he is taking his value. He really is. It's like the Steelers the Sears aren't going to take nothing for him. So stop hurting your value. You're making it harder to get treated without cream on just got sign. I don't think his value has gone down. He's gone down. Maybe criticizing its domestic violence issue. I guarantee that. But regardless I think he's going to get a massive trade offer. And he's still going to be one of the guys. Everyone wants to have on their team, regardless. If he's a bad team or not because of the facts that this is been like how many times has been a bad teammate, quote, unquote. That's been traded for is one of the best players in the league. And they would everyone's doing whatever they can to get him booster team. It's hard to speculate. Because like when was the last? My missing somebody wouldn't us big name wide receiver to get treated trello ones. Probably he got traded for Brandon whiting. And then you go who. And then you go exactly, but yes, but like. Receivers don't usually get traded for. They just don't even if they're great Teo was great at the time. He was one of the best two or three if you're willing. If you're like in Tony Brown who argue leak people say is number one the league in the wider heroes vision. He's definitely going to get a massive offer. I don't care what he's doing off the feel. I know it's it's not helping them in any way, shape or form. But someone's get offer him something. I don't care. I don't know who it is. But someone's offer them something they obviously can't refuse. Just wonder what that means. What is what do you think massive offer would look like? I'm thinking multiple draft picks. I like first second maybe a future second. And maybe add another first of that in the future like I can easily see someone taking that think they can win now. And they're like, oh, those are gonna be useless because they're going to be in a highs that we have in Tokyo Brown. That's what they're probably going to think if they're going to do that trade. But I think there's gonna be multiple involve early rounds. Maybe not a first, but maybe a couple of seconds or a couple of thirds in was traded for such little minner turn because he was on the nerves the whole organization, and I think because of the fact like they thought he was on the back end of his career because like he already spent his first couple years playing so well, and they just wanted to get rid of them. He was more of a can't he was more of a nuisance to the Niners organization than anything else in the long run. Like he did have great seasons. No question about it. But so many times they got people he got on people's nerves just like Antonio Brown. There's so many similarities them to as funny. But got traded for very Little Brown. Get traded for a ton. I think it's different this situation. Because of the fact that like you said he still has money in financial trellis and really have any financial situation. Like, this is what this eight kids when treated not what I meant go finance issues. I meant more on the Steelers. Yes. I met that the Niners have any. I don't think that any financial problems with trading. There wasn't any repercussions for that. With the Steelers. There is going to be some obvious salary repercussions. That's why he's gonna get more of a bigger offer in that fact, and that's gonna help in the long run for the Steelers because they are going to get some draft picks or get some players that they need or one. However, and they might be willing to sacrifice the money to get these assets for Brown. And what if team is not willing to give up a first or second round pick for Tony around because historically that really doesn't doesn't happen for a wide receiver? Yes. We did see it with one team this year. Mark Cooper trader for first rounder marketers also eight years younger than Tony Brown when that happened. So I don't know of the same kind of value. Applies bowl. I think Tony Brown is head over heels above him. Yeah. Right. Nobody's question now. But he's also thirty one years old, whereas Amari Cooper is he had any series injuries Amari Cooper Antonio Brown. I mean, Amari Cooper is as old as a lot of first round picks that are coming into the NFL this year is what I'm saying. Like the Cowboys felt fine giving up a first round pick. Because that would have been the same age of a player that they would have picked anyways. Whereas Tonio Browns at thirty one almost thirty two year old wide receiver. But do you see how much like that Amari Cooper trade put them into a playoff spot on us? So, but it also wasn't just a move for. Today's what I'm saying. Like, the Amari Cooper trade was we're trading for him and thinking here for ten years. Whereas if you trade for Brown, you take the risk that it's only going to be two to three year move because he's in his thirties already. I mean. Yeah, he hasn't suffered any major injuries. But he's also kind of small we don't know body is going to break down down the road. Because it will we know that we just don't know. Oh, if it's going to be soon later. And it's a wide receiver position. So, you know. Yeah. Again, we'll see the still unknown in that whole aspect. But I think bottom line fact of the matter is he is still a hot commodity when it comes to if he's going to be offered trades. It's going to be very interesting ones. Everybody wants into Neo Brown like in some regard. Right. It's not like they give it for them. It's not like he's everyone's go to avoid him. He's on a different stewardess. Don't get any. I sit round pick. So do they just keep them and say worked it out? I think for the third round picks won't maybe it's it's a maybe it's more of a player exchange too. Because it is in the off this that could work a decent player in two-third around picks intending Brown to the Steelers take, and then depends on honesty it spins. The player is decent. NFL starting caliber player. What position like let's say that. No, no, pick one. What are they gonna exchange wide receivers in this situation, or whatever you want if he can benefit through the player an average? I mean, look at look at James Connor decent running back great with the feelers offense. So why can't a wider do the same thing? So decent wide receiver in two third around picks. You do if you're the Steelers, I don't know. But it's something that definitely like it's all it's all about sealers to it's all about the money issues too. But if they can they think, oh, this guy can replace in Tonio Brown like won't be as good. Well, if he can be Smith Schuster, and they still have Smith Schuster. We're frightening that huge aspect and he's great. Fully aware that it's still it's still work. But honestly, I feel like if they do keep in Tonio Brown. We're gonna see all of your Bill to but within Tonio Brown. I honestly why like he saw on do it. Why wouldn't he do it? Yeah. I mean, he could sit out and not make money that's his Braga. Maybe he will probably won't. But yeah, I guess you could. Yeah. So I think that's this is also thing are they going to have another Levy on bell scenario because that's probably on their minds. Of course. Yeah. I mean, they don't want any more turmoil. Yeah. This could lead to more turmoil on this like we said, this is leading to horrible things. Anyways. Which break sure, we can do that. When we come back. We'll talk a little bit. But the af as we finish up the day. 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But with the Orlando Apollo had been impressing the most with their coach Steve Spurrier. Of course, it has been a very exciting all around. A couple of weeks. I've been very impressed with the style of play of seen. Arizona honchos had a great game. And sells us a lot of great plays in that game. They're running back. Looked had a great run. Fortunately, I can't think of his name off the top of my head at the moment. Because of the fact he's not known really Ville. Yeah. So I can't really think of anything else about that. But there was that backwards pass wasn't. There was semi that backwards pass. Maybe the San Diego. I know is I've never seen Patrick Mahomes. Make that past. He probably will now. But. But the thing is like Patrick. He's like between the legs a hike like out centers, do it. And he's gonna throw third sixty yards for a touchdown swatch. But not have been the worst play ever. It was picked off by the way that would that would have been on. Like did not top ten of all time like shocked in full would moved to the NFL and put that in there. But anyways, here's the scores of the games Birmingham is down to zero at twelve nine victory over. So like they were down nine nothing and scored twelve hundred to win the game. Arizona beats Memphis twenty eighteen like, I said Memphis score points. Good for them Orlando. Apollo in San Antonio commanders actually had probably the game of the week so far with twenty thirty seven twenty nine victory four Orlando. High scoring game line of action fans in San Antonio. And they had more fans in that game than any home game. The chargers had this season. How big's our stadium compared to the Alamo dome? Oh, they have I could feel like sixty thousand. Oh, that's probably why the chargers pointed though, I think at thirty. It's a soccer stadium. Yeah. I look up the Alamo dome. But I'm pretty sure it can hold up to sixty thousand. I don't know if it's stuff up center anymore. But it was the stuff of center where the chargers play that's a small sixty four thousand. So. Yes, maybe that was a good reason why they could have more fans there in the long run. But again, it is a team. That's just football, man. Win the New Orleans Saints played four home games there during the Hurricane Katrina season. They sold out every single one. Yeah. But of course, like this is a brand new team too. So there's also often misery and stuff like that. So just just comparing sixty four thousand seat arena to a thirty thousand seat stadium. I mean, you can only do so much with it. Maybe maybe sago charter should have moved to San Antonio. And just played in the auto because they probably would have packed that house big time instead of going LA in being the clippers of the NFL to the Rams. And that just Spanos is fault. He's the biggest. Reggie mckenzie. Former raiders general manager he joins the dolphins for an office as a senior personnel executive. So he'll be assisting the dolphins in the personnel department going forward. Well, that's good for him. And I think that's looking good for him. The long runs like the dolphins are in a rebuilding phase, obviously. So. Then it gets fired from the raiders that's for sure. The one Gruden took over kind of render that I mean look at their GM now, he's basically just a puppet. Yeah. I mean, but still it's a guy that Gruden appointed. So well. Mainly doing the scouting. For college players. Schoon doesn't have the best history with calling out. Good quality players in the draft. Because he did say Nathan Peterman was gonna to be a potential great player in the NFL. That's all you need to know any also like Johnny Menzel as quarterback, but he was kind of like skip Bayless a little bit. The thing is about Gruden that his role ESPN. He had he talked good about everybody. So every really being your hall of Famer and his. Yeah. I mean, I hope that's not what he actually thought though. He actually thought that's troubling. But I think it is this relationship between him and Derek cars. Get end also very soon. Maybe not this of next season. I think there's gonna be a quarterback in the Las Vegas when they get there. Well, if it's going to end it my and this year because of the potential out in the contract after this year, they owe him a lot of money. Yeah. Which I think it's got to be outed. I don't see any reason they're gonna keep him unless they're just being the raiders. You know, what I mean, it just seems to me that this seems like it's good to just this is not starting off. So this isn't a good relationship. So it's not going to continue. Right. Anyways. I think that's it for today. Please join us tomorrow as we talk about more in the world of football. Maybe into Brennan have more tweets that we can discuss we'll see, but we will see tomorrow. Yes. Have a good everybody. 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"See? What are your son? To get him in here. One of these months. Oh, yeah. Heat up. So it's it's a trip. You just did your top ten power rankings the playoff teams and not they weren't in there because they're not in their the Pittsburgh. Steelers are not in the playoffs seemingly for the first time in forever that they're they're go to their their every Ben Rothlisberger and Mike Tomlin and up until this year Levy on bell. And obviously Antonio Brown. All these guys are guys you just pencil them in the wanna say the Steelers at one point this year, Kirk were eight one and one or eight to one or seven two seven two and one I mean, they were the F B I or whatever that mathematical formula, they had something like a ninety four percent chance of making the playoffs at that point. They're not in. They had they just came on glued at the end of the year. And apparently Antonio Brown came unglued before the end of the year that he had depending on who you asked. He had an outburst during the week leading up to the season finale against the Bengals he threw football at somebody that he was went off is the. Description that they're using Ben Rothlisberger says he didn't see it. They ultimately made him inactive for the final game of the season. They listed as a knee injury. But there is no any injury is lost his mining this meanings. He was doing and Antonio Brown listened listing. Best wide receivers and football. Do we get past two or three without lifting his name? No, you're right. Three fit him deandre Hopkins and Julio Julio. I mean that analyst I don't know where Dale falls in four five, but but you're not gonna pass fi ABC's on the list and the Steelers are in a weird spot because Levy on bells gone, right? He's going to be down the road. Ben Rothlisberger is old. He still reasonably but he's not a young guy in Tokyo Brown clearly wants out what what do you do with a guy like that? Because the Rams have been seemingly been in on every free. They were in on Khalil Mack who are in on dominant. Sue, they got in the got to leave. They got Peter's they paid everybody, basically. Paid girly. They paid Brandin cooks. They paid are Donald what about aby net. Don't want those problems. If they didn't wanna go all in on Odell. Why would they go in Tokyo because number two ramps could've traded for Odell Beckham junior last year. Remember that was the one. So when they didn't trae for Odal Beckham, they're not going to trade for Antonio Brown. First of all his contract is just ridiculous. You're not gonna bring two million taking on twenty two you have to restructure something to restructure you have to cut some guys and look to me you've already paid Brandin cooks. So the Rams are and they don't even want that kind of guy in their lock room. They don't want great player. I don't know thing is the one thing that we can say about the Rams being here. And watching them not only are they football players, but just from us as outsiders looking in. That's some good dudes just never lot of drama. No drama. You just do you will want to hang out with him and just just sit down and just talk football or sports, me, whatever it may be. And they all seem to they share within the limelight like Aaron Donald coup like one of the the the positive I would say about Jared Goff is Jared Goff can walk into the Laker game tonight. And if you're not a die hard Rams fan you can like walk right past them. You know what I mean? Like, he's not lie Jericho where all the attention is on him. These guys are all about team. They're all about us while can Tonio Brown is totally different. I look at a guy is we can win a game. But he's up. He's the guy in a corner of set like me, we would never taught. I'll only five catches. He wants. And he wants he wants his self satisfaction more. So than the team satisfaction that way he had a meltdown this week. At least according to everybody not named Ben Rothlisberger. You take me through the dynamics of an NFL practice in Walker. Is it possible that that could have happened in Rothlisberger? Just wouldn't have seen it or heard about it. No. He knows. Okay. Where's he knows? And it's been like this the one thing, and this is just some Justice. It's been crazy. It's been a list of things for Antonio Brown. And a lot of this falls not on my Tomlin. But the organization who has been a buttoned up organization they've been great only three head coaches in years. You know, Chuck knoll, obviously, Bill cower and Mike Tomlin. They don't fire coaches, but they have enabled players they'll Travis and the thing is they enabled Antonio Brown by giving him a large contract because if you look at the list of things. That have transpired within Tonio Brown in the last three years just think about all this. It's been him knocking over and kicking water bottles on the sideline. It's been his arguments with been rothlisburger. It's been him holding the phone up with for Facebook live in a locker room after a loss that got information out to the patriots. It's been navigate this incident. Now, it's been the incident of him calling reporters in the locker room racists for reporting that he walked off the field in practice is just been this myriad of things going on with Antonio Brown. But then also to the one guy who is not at fault. And no one's ever blaming him. Is a guy who you just played the interviewed in Ben Rothlisberger. At some point. He has to point the finger at himself and saying what am I doing as a leader? And then also to let's not forget, they didn't pay lady I'm Bill and at the end of the day. I've told you before hey, great player, you know, John Connor, and and and you know, the the the second year running back, but I love experience, and I love guys who I can take the. Battle with me yet. No. They don't have lady. I'm bill. They didn't have they missed Bill and like you said Conrad a nice season, but bells a different animal together. And but look in Tokyo Brown all the things that you just listed. He he's guilty of all of those things. And he's done them. Some is going to take that dude. He's that good. And he's still taking twenty two. He's Kirke too good. We've seen a million times talent always tell on essay. Who takes though I'm not bringing him in here. What a first year second year quarterback. I'm not thinking about Antonio Brown going to just say Dallas. And all of a sudden he overheard mess with that bring him to the jets about this Cleveland Baker. Can you give Baker Mayfield a weapon like that? They got but they pay Jarvis Landry. And I don't I don't need that guy messing with the head of this guy. You know, what I'm saying in terms of Susie O'Neill Brown's gonna be the first great player ever. Who's who's bad attitude is going to Trump their talent? Yeah. I mean, they did it what this does Dez wasn't in the same universities in. Tony get you. But it's the reason why it is was not because he's still had ability. But it was not in the I mean, you're talking ABC ten nine and a half out of ten right now, dead and a half. He was three and a half. Yeah. But I think who wants to extra baggage that comes with Antonio Brown. And I think that's where the Steelers are a little upset is that where do you get a trade suitor who wants to Incorp add on twenty two million dollars like that at on talent like that it costs? But every every talented guy, that's a difficult guy to deal with always finds work te'o kept bouncing around until he really wasn't that anymore, and he'd done it to six different teams. And if you don't make the playoffs who they blame it. Yeah. Brand or not gonna Bain Ben Rothlisberger. That's for sure LeBron says that he is the goat was right. We'll tell you next trav-. Yes. So it's Gooding junior's birthday fifty years old. But this is dad singing Kupa Gooding senior said true. Yes, I didn't main ingredient Kirk, you know, this. All right. Yeah. My dad, Cuba Gooding junior. Well, it's his birthday. But we had to show me the money like every other sports will man what you talking about man. He's one of the greatest in nineteen ninety nine that was a fresh drop. No, one of the greatest hood movies, ever, man, boys. Did love it. You gotta go boys in the hood. Jim Rohn, I was ROY Firestone. No travis. I got you happy birthday Kuban anyway. But no snow snow shot out for Kouba. Radio. Birthdays brought to you by Jaguar Land Rover Newport Beach off the Seventy-three towards the sea. Visit Land Rover Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover above and beyond. All right. So LeBron has his show on the ESPN app called more than an athlete plus ESPN, plus the plus aunt had to pay for that he paid subscription traffic. He said something that is it's the the bar argument that takes place right now because he's still in the prime of his career because it's what we're seeing. Most recently is lebrons. James the greatest player of all time. And he says that when he beat the warriors a couple years ago in the finals, and they came back from three to one that was what made him the goat that made me the greatest player of all time. I was a super super ecstatic win won't Cleveland because fifty two year drought. Like, how ecstatic like, obviously, I showed that the first wave of emotion was every once on me cry like that was all fifty two years everything sports going on Cleveland. And then after I stopped. I was like damn right there. Major to greatest player of all time. Now to everybody was just how they were greatest team of all time. Like there was a greatest team ever assembled. Fos to come back. You know, the way we came back and fashion. I was like you did some special. I wanted to only times in my career. I felt like like you deserve special. I haven't really had time to really like sit back and think that that was a moment. Okay. So first of all that answer right there in change my mind because I already think that LeBron James is the greatest player of all time. So I don't need to be convinced. If you think it's Jordan, you're not crazy. If you think it's Kareem you're not crazy. Those are good answers to for me. It's been LeBron. But that argument that he made right there. It's a tough argument to overcome because the Beata seventy three win team. Most in the history of the NBA the beat the defending champs who was also a seventy three win team. Right. They didn't end there. Jim. They had to win game five on the road. They win game seven on the road. He did it by not just playing well by playing a level, the even by LeBron James standards. We'd really had never seen before. He led the team in. Everything in minutes in points, in rebounds, assists, blocks steals, everything. He led the team he had the iconic moment where he pinned Goodall shot on the backboard. There was nothing about it. That wasn't extraordinary and to hear him lay out like that. It's hard to argue that he wasn't in that moment and moving forward the greatest player of all time. I mean, he has his argument. Travis I I've said this that there's moments in sports and LeBron James reached the pinnacle of his career already in his illustrious NBA career. He's only going to be compared to so many players not a lot just some as one of the greatest of all time because of what he did what he did in terms of impacting generation of basketball players in terms of being a guy who skipped college Cambridge into the NBA, and it was ready right away. I mean his first game against Sacramento. You just knew like this kid is special. This kid is different. He was one of the best players in the league. From the moment showed. Yup. Absolutely. Yeah. And you now know that, you know, one of the things that he accomplished wasn't just championships that he won over in Miami. I it wasn't just the all-star accolades, and I team all NBA he delivered on a championship to Cleveland. Let alone the fifty whatever year drought they had of sports drought. Meaning they couldn't win a championship and football. You know, they won championship, but they didn't want to Super Bowl. I mean, they want some championship before they had the Super Bowl, you know, those guys, but they had losses in baseball. You know with the whole Cleveland Indian Jose Mesa. Yes. They had the oppose makes Cleveland Browns made. It was the shot that Michael Jordan had over the Cavs back. It was so much disappointment in Cleveland sports. He brought them a championship. That was great for the state of Ohio the city of Cleveland. But what ticks, but what took it to the greatest of all? Time was that he beat the NBA's greatest team in terms of a record of all time and their building in their Weiss when you beat them seventy three and nine that goes on your record that goes on the drop bar when everyone anytime somebody flirt with that record, which we thought would never be broken. Remember it used to be seventy two and ten a never top that. That's the greatest eight minutes still considered the greatest team ever, which is Michael Jordan, seventy two cash it in because they won the championship will this team the warriors at seventy three and not with everything they accomplish that year. No matter what for the rest of the rest of time. When you talk about the warriors, and that record of seventy three and seventy three and nine you're going to have that drop. You're going to have that little ask Chris at the bottom, and it's going to say did not win championships. And you imprint the LeBron James why because LeBron say they. Lost to the cab. No loss to LeBron. Right. Which at that point. I understand his feeling. I'm the greatest of all time because I beat the greatest team in terms of record in NBA. This thing about like this. And this is the warriors that season when seventy three and nine the NBA regular season is five and a half months long. Okay. It's five and a half months long. Through talking the regular season for the postseason other two months. Right. So you got a seven got five and a half months season. They lost five tire nine times ninety five and a half months. Lebron beat them four times in two weeks. Okay. They lost nine games over the better part of six months nine. So they're losing a game of month. Brightly ga- gaming third a month. Let one beat them four times in two weeks. But then I would say, you know, obviously as a warrior fan Travis that they you know, drew my grain Draymond green didn't play in game six which forced to game seven, obviously LeBron. Yeah. He played in game. Seventy no one made drain on kick. Lebron that was that was Draymond move on his own. So that's the warrior fan in me. And in the also warrior fan with me say the following season a role the with Kevin Durant. They've only lost one game in the final by the way. Yeah. You had the second best player in the league to the team the best player in the if he's still is that moment made him the greatest, and I said it before it's ally. Manning for people who are football fans ally. Manning is an okay quarterback. He's got to Super Bowl MVP, but the one that's most member was was because he took down what could have been the greatest team in NFL history in the two thousand seven patriots that were on the quest for nineteen and Eli manning made them become eighteen in one because of his play Super Bowl MVP. That's why he's on an iconic board. He doesn't have the accolades like LeBron. But it's those moments that make you feel like men, you are the greatest for that moment. Lebron has that because moment to put on top of everything else? He's accomplished in will accomplish rush Newitt of. What? Back into this. You can put on top of everything what's up as we think of. He's. For. We're the show the people. That's why we are show the people curtain, you know, what don't miss the ultimate battle between Manny pacman Paquis L against Adri. The problem of Brennan that's going to see that on Saturday January nineteenth and a WB championship showdown at the MGM grand spent a lot of time near Massimo. Yeah. It is. They know me, they know. Again. Great now. Now. Caller, seven and ten we're looking for you at eight seven seven seven ten years. Eight seven seven seven ten pm caller seven and ten aware of the win a pair of tickets here. I call it ten where many pack y'all versus Groner death right ring in the new year with boxing and get your tickets today on acting dot com. That's right. A X S dot com. Got a chance to win tickets to Raja's place fight. Place of if you wanna take so that that's a whole. You gotta get invited fun though. The Rams are in. They got a five. What is the best match for them? Once we get through wildcard weekend. Kirk tells what it is next. Traff. We got some bad news the WWE. Oh, the greatness, the whole famous mean Jean you remember me, gene? Gene, Oakland, he passed away. Seventy six years old, and I grew up watching, you know, back in the old days the WWF days like the British. I was a Superfly Snuka guy. Number one. Took Bret the hitman Hart kit ultimate warrior man came onto their most those guys in Oakland wasn't a wrestler. But those guys go early. Yeah. Get the on the road every fifty two weeks. True. Yeah. That's a vacation thoughts and prayers seventy seventy seven, gene. Let me tell you something mean djing. Who's that? Macho mayor Randy savage. She gone he go they're all getting there. All right. So the Rams are sitting at home this weekend. Kirk they are the number two seed in the NFC get the home game at the Coliseum a week from this weekend. The one team that we know for sure they can't play or the Philadelphia Eagles, which I think is good because that seemed to be the team that years a random bit of trivia Doug Peterson the only guy that's beating Sean McVay twice. He's he's the and by the way beat them both times in LA beat a both times with a backup quarterback. So that matchup doesn't look great. The only way that they could see the eagles is if they saw them in an NFC championship game, which would be back here in LA again under that scenario because the Rams would be the two. So they'd get the home game. What what is the best match for the ramps because you look at it. They've beaten Seattle twice loss to the bears. And then you have the Cowboys who we saw them play last year and handled them fairly easily. And then who am I leaving? Out. There are those three hawks. So I have listed here. I have the worst matchup first matchup Seahawks because that's the worst Macha because I've already seen him twice this year and to beat them for a third time. The Rams I don't like that. And I don't like Russell Wilson and playoffs because all of a sudden he just turns to this magician. He starts pulling rabbits out of hats. And all that stuff. He just I'm just like, I'm good. I'm good with p Carol in the playoffs. I I hear you. And I don't disagree with any. You said let me just put this in there though to the only time that Seattle has beaten the Rams since Sean McVeigh's become the head coach was that was second or third game of the season here a year ago. Correct. Where the Rams turned it over five times in the room. Still almost win that game of Cooper Cup catches up on the end zone. They win that game that they've played each other four times. And the only loss was a five turnover game. That's telling me that the Rams are a better team and not just by a little bit. They're better team yet. Yet. It took a jerk jerk golf sneak sneak a fourth in whatever sneak to get them all pass because they didn't want to give the ball back to Russel Wilson. There's a respect factor for sure respect factor there. But I say that more. So what's the worst match because that's another team like the eagles who can say, we're not afraid of those dudes. What else get all high flying offense? We can stop that. So the difference to Kirk is the eagles. I they can't play the eagles in the first round. But the reason that the eagles are a little scary to me is because the Rams don't move the ball real well against them all four games at the Rams played Seattle. They've been able to score. Now they've been able to hold them out to varying degrees. But they've been able to score Seattle over and over and over again. But it seems like it's always been difficult to though against Seattle. It's going to be difficult just division round game. We'll see it Saturday between the colts and Texans. How how difficult it is to play a team when third time you're not gonna trick me. I know what you got. You know what I got? Hey, this is how it's going to be. That's my worst matchup now. My. Next match-up is the one that I personally want. That's the bears for the Rams new on another shot at it. I wanted to because like you mentioned the Rams got another shot at the eagles this year they lost. Well this year the one gain that I've always referred to was twelve nine eighteen twelve nine eighteen twelve nineteen. What's twelve nine eighteen that was a Sunday night game where the bears at home to Sagawa Rams. And may Jared Goff looked like he was rookie all over again. They neutralize Aaron Donald took. That was the Dow was the game plan gave everybody around the league say this is how you stop Jared Goff. This is how you stop Aaron Donald. And the Rams was the only time in the this season. They didn't score fourteen points. I mean score touchdowns in a game because we get away jumbled Jaakko. Yeah. So we know that that was the worst jumbo Jackson. We do we do on the Rams post game show when the Rams score two or more touchdowns. Which was the only sixteen times fifteen out of sixteen games. They did with cheese straight up straight up listening to this. But the only game that they did not score two or more touchdowns against Chicago. So that's the game that I say that's the one I want personally because I get to go in beat the team that beat me because when I come to because when I play them again, they'll be at might look the same. I if they come out here to the Coliseum, and it's know. It's you know of. Guessing with the weather here. Second week in January. It's going to be somewhere the fifties. It's going to be a little damp, but it's not gonna be anything going. Does that defense with this? Because I know Jared Goff will be better. Right. Does the defense. Look the same. Yeah. I think the defense of the Rams, yes. Or no. Yeah. The bears still going to be nice. But I think that look at where the Rams defense is now that was the first game that keep to Lee second game keeps Lee came back was against the bare. So I still think that the Rams defense is a lot better. And I think that way Phillips found ways to figure out you're not just going to do this to Erin Donal. We're going to put him on the move. We're going to loop him around. We're going to stunt him. We're not just gonna lineup at one spot. We're gonna make you try to find where he's at. So to me that's the match I will want because I can defeat the team that defeated me and gave quote, unquote, the blueprint, but mate, Sean McVay, look like he was a high school coach instead of NFL tell you I'd like to see them in here at the top of my list is Dallas because I think. That's the best match. Right. So I got my worst than Seattle. My one that I want the most which is the bears but the best matchup for the Rams is the Cowboys because of their head coach Jason Garrett in the playoffs. Deck Prescott in the playoffs. That Prescott doesn't have a playoff win either. And I know they went to the playoffs two years ago. But they were in they were at a first round. Bye. He'd have one at this point. If if they're coming here, he's at least one Jared Goff. So I think that's the best matchup for the Rams because they are similar to the Rams. They are they need Zeke Elliot, you gotta feed Zeke when Zeke is role that team jumbo Jack. If you don't feed Zeke minutes different. Are you worried about going to win that game? That is. I'm not worried about the Cowboys defense. I think that they're pretty good defense is going to be rolling. And then on top this. I've said it before that it's about adjustments. I think McVay learn last year that I have to make adjustments. I have to be too. Yeah. Yeah. Where is Jason Garrett in one of his achilles. Heels is his judgements in the play. It's OJ general general. Yeah. Dallas gets it at home. They get Seattle. They get Russell Wilson. Do they win? This week Saturday. Do we even talking about the Cowboys beyond this weekend? Are they still alive? I don't I can't tell you the last time to Cowboys have beaten Seattle in a real game. Remember twenty Romo the that was the fumble. Doc, botch Hoed they've lost to them last year when they need it to win the game to make the playoffs Seattle. They don't match up well against Seattle period. So you think Seattle goes on the road and wins. I do and that's a better scenario for you Cowboys fan because that probably gets Jason Garrett clipped. Yeah, we're not. You can't fire me just wanted division. He says he has to get into the second round. They wanna worst division and put ball. Teams. Got teams in the playoffs. Still the worst division. Visit is the AFC south. They got to teams to. Get fries with the jumbo Jack. Just this straight up with the purchase of a large drink. You. Get a Jumba John. Yeah. You gotta buy a drink. You gotta buy drink. Come on drink, then the jumbo Jack my temple check, join us next. We'll get into the Lakers and how much trouble there in without. Lebron? That's next happy birthday, Cuba, Gooding junior. Now. This is Kobe saw his talion rap. Travis life because over the weekend. The news came out. Kobe is expecting his fourth child his fourth girl daughter, right? You're listening album Kobe's not on the NBA album. It was like a long time ago. This was on there. I think Jason Kidd had a song Cedric Sabaot song. Oh near. Yeah. I got. Yeah. I gotta find it was an NBA album. Transiting good. Nah. I wouldn't good players. Like, wrapping it I'm a find it though. I'm fine number Senator. If they have it on itunes. You're about to find out find it right now. Mike Trudell joining us right now. How are you happy new year us on ios happening? So you tell me when when we get to see LeBron again. I mean, do we have any idea we heard it, you know, day to day, maybe eight games ten games any idea on when we might start to look for him again. So we really don't have the timeframe there's no there's there's been no timeframe allotted. There's been none. Given all we have the the fact that it was a strained groin. And I don't know anytime you have a muscle injury of any type. I don't I this is take Laurent out of it. I don't typically see somebody returned from that before at least a couple of weeks. Right. And it's actually been one week so far. But this is also basically the first time LeBron his whole career has had a muscle type of injury. Whether that's a hamstring or a growing or anything like that. So I I think that's why everybody's just sort of waiting to see because he has such a unique potty physique, and he's ever been hurt that, you know, it could be sooner than ever or it could could take a little time. We really don't know. It's a long way of saying. I don't know. I don't wanna get anybody in trouble who handles this injury for LeBron. Because here's a guy to spend a lot of money on his body and worked for different trainers from outside of the Lakers organization. Is this a? Thing or windows. Lebron feel like who makes the call. Lebron comes back. I mean, I think with so LeBron does have some of his own training staff that are with the team full-time than works with the Lakers training staff. And but I think with the player of that. And I think this is the same thing with Kobe Bryant Gary v obviously did a ton of work the longtime legendary Lakers trainer with Moby. But ultimately give that player the respect enough to say, you know, what I'm good now. It's a little different from a rookie. When hey, here's our protocol that you have to clear this hurdle. Lebron says, I, you know, Travis I'm I'm going tonight. I'm running to play. I think you trust. Lebron James though that he's in good shape. But of course, that could comes in accordance with talking to the trainers and the doctors they have the thunder tonight at Staples. And then they have the thunder again in Oklahoma City on Thursday, January seventeenth and inbetween there. You look at the schedule. There's one two three four five six seven eight games. And not that there's ever a good time to lose LeBron. But if there was. A time to maybe try to tread water without him. It might be these eight games New York. Minnesota Dallas, Detroit, Utah Cleveland Chicago. I mean is there such a thing as a good time to have some of this? Yeah. Maybe I kind of a good way to look at it. And you know, if even if you take out the opponents when after originally hearing, you know, that LeBron it seemed like he was going to be okay. Right. That this wasn't some sort of the major injury. Even though it was something that was gonna keep him out for a little bit. I thought hey, it's not the worst thing in the world to get him some rest, generally speaking, just yet his legs refresher he hadn't sat out a game for a hundred fifty. Plus, of course, you played all eighty two last Jerry play the post as and he played the previous whole postseason when they actually won the title. So he hadn't really had a break from on for his legs, generally. So that's good and tribes you mentioned it somebody's home games while you know, nothing is guaranteed win in the NBA anymore. There's just there's enough talented any team can kind of catch you on a night. But you mentioned New York Detroit Cleveland, Chicago like these are these are not the best teams in the league. And even if you have some tough road games, and that's that Minnesota Dallas at Utah to the next couple of weeks. I don't wanna call them. Get right games. But at least you can kind of tread water, right and say a few games of five hundred in I-. Ideally, you play better than that. And you build something and you win some more games. But at worst, you figure you can at least take care of business with some good efforts at home, and then say afloat as you head to international. But obviously went LeBron not there. The lakers. Look a little bit different. You know, they obviously we were main Travis have been talking about it that the MVP candidacy for LeBron to gets more and more steam when he's not out there because the team looks different. But you start to see more of what we expect from Brandon Ingram where you like there. It is we see the explosion. We see the driving to the room. We see a more certif- player. And you're like man, why can't we get that? When LeBron is a near right now. So what has what have you seen in just a short couple games that LeBron has not played that makes these younger players seem to take more of an assertive role when the bronze not out there? Well, just. Because you have to write it. It's just if you're in any sport at the best player is out than somebody else has to do more at just five nature. And so it's not possible. In other words for Ingram to do exactly as much right? As he does when the bronze not playing as when the Browns in the court, and that's not a bad thing. Because because you can't win anything in the postseason. If you don't have some guys that are capable of doing more than they can in their role and to me, that's what Ingram is. That's what kyri was until they figured it out. That's what's Wayne Wade, and Chris Bosh were when the figured it out, and you know, Ingram's a few years behind those guys in terms of age when they started playing with the bronze so that I think even a lot more time. But for example, the reason I thought he was so good against the kings. And this in the second game, right? Was that he was so he was so good initiating the offense and making the extra pass and getting other guys shots. And that's where you had nine assists for Ingram compared to three turnovers and he only thirteen shots. He made nine of them. You got the. Free throw line of you know, four times, and that's for him actually, pretty low. He's been getting they're much more than that. So I think that playing that complete floor game for him. He can do that when the bronze out in. And I think it's not that he can't play a little better with the brand new figure that continually. But I just think that's the nature of the beast wanna stars out. Somebody's gonna have a lot more that usage that goes up. But then when I look at the the Brown also being to nail we always say, well who is going to be the guy to step up. Now, we just talked about Brandon Ingram. But clearly when you look at cow kouzmines numbers, whether it was the twenty four points against the clippers or his overall stat line versus the the the kings the other night. He clearly is the second best player on the Lakers win. Lebron James is back on the floor. Well, so definitely the second best offensive player this year. I think clear, and I think he's getting better defensively. But right now, I'd give both Lonzo and Ingram and John him defensively. A those guys have been really good on the perimeter really active. Plays defense Trudell who plays defense come on offense scoring points. Man. This is why this is why endorse Morton or no defensive players get any respect ever been only two defensive MVP's ever. Always like, we don't even talking about all the candidates and somebody mentioned Aaron Donald name. And I was like, well, look I'm glad you mentioned the name, but it's not like anyone's gonna actually vote for defense. Not the legal. Right. So it's just we always focus on that side of the ball. So I started getting my little jabbing as good as has been, you know, Lonzo ball in that in that first game against the kings. The Lakers were up fifteen in kind of blew it in the last five minutes at twenty points, twelve nine rebounds, two steals. A block like that. When Lonzo is that active, and he has the ball that much more than I think his whole game plays out that the the basic point is when you're the guy that has the ball the most you have a chance to really find a rhythm. And we see that all around the league. And it was Lonzo that game. It was it was Ingram the previous game who's it's been about the same. 'cause he you know, he he he's gonna shoot it. If he's open he's gonna he's gonna move it on getting better at that. He knows how to cut like. So he's Kouzmin to me. It's pretty consistent whether LeBron's in there or not whereas Lonzo Ingram are the guys that are going to have the basketball more than they typically would win the bronze out. And I think those are the guys that we're gonna see alternate some as who's going up in who's just. Maintaining Mike Trudell joining us on the morning show. And it's interesting because you know, the Lakers have found themselves in a pretty good spot twenty one at sixteen and the whole west is pretty compacted. So they're almost out of the playoffs. They're almost in first place. It's kind of bunch together. But do even have a really clear sense of how good they are. Because you think about it early in the year. You had suspensions Rondo gets hurt. Rondos hurt again, LeBron is hurt. Brandon Ingram missed a significant chunk of time. And you've we've played thirty seven games. And we still haven't seen the full complement of the Lakers for an extended period of time. Could they even better than maybe we think that they are right now? Because right now, I think they're pretty good anyway. Yeah. I think it's a fair point. And not only are they probably better than they are record wise if they're healthy now. Maybe there say say you win three more games lose threes. Your then you're basically they're in kind of in that in that upper half of the bracket right here with Denver golden, Sade Oklahoma City as opposed to where you are now next to the kind of the blazers the clippers the Spurs. I do think that the Lakers are at full steam are closer to that top group and the other part of it is we knew Travis when looking at the schedule that they were going to start slow. We we just knew it. Schedule is difficult. Hey, they have no cohesion literally while the rest of the teams in the west it all been together for the most part, you know, say for a couple of teams like the Spurs at new personnel. But they sell a Popovich, right? Same system. All that. So I thought that the Lakers were going to get better as the season went on every month, just as they learn how to play together, and especially as they learn how to play alongside the Braun and how that was going to change their roles. So I do think that the whole if. When they do get healthy, and they have finally a chance for some continuity, then they're gonna they're gonna see themselves bump up into the standings into me. The goal should be to try to finish in that upper half. So that they can get home court in the first round. And I don't think that you know, too vicious because right now, they have fifteen losses Houston, who's who's the foresee because they've won five games in a row and nine out of ten they have fifty miles. So you're only you're only one loss in the lock all the way from you know, having home court in the first round. And I do think they should be pushing for that. And not just thinking about making the playoffs Cornell. You're a man of the people you listen to the people they either tweet you or are they comment you on Instagram all that good stuff? So I ask you this question. Do the Laker fans. Boo. Paul George tonight when he gets the ball or or has that ship sailed already are they already passed kind of the spurning of the Lakers deal or the non interview during the free agency process and him going to. Stain with Oklahoma City. It was funny when as you were saying as we're saying that I thought you were going into different direction practice yesterday. And I'm Instagram. I put up a picture of our one of our guys that works for the Lakers in the south bay Lakers. Ryan put up a semi a photo of me talking to Luke. And I and I put it up. I was like, I don't know half the time. I'll I'll kind of scroll through the comments, and I won't in the first four comments on it were about my gene being too bad. Gotta find his picture now. Okay. Good the top one on my Instagram. And so look, I'm I like it was suits. You know, when you buy a suit now guys, you can't get anything that doesn't fit type, right? It's even even six years ago. Travis you went to go, man. A little bit loose. Type is not work for me. It's not good. Look for me. I would call these dad jeans, but they're not dead jeans. Because you got this. You got the the Jordan fours on let me see threes. I'm sorry. Jordan threes. I'm sorry. He's got his Jordan threes on. So you're good with that. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not the Jesus a little baggie. Whatever somebody like, you gotta get them paper. And I'm like, wait what he pretty. Yeah. I don't like the skin type thing. I mean, I guess that they can look a little better for your body or whatever. But anyway, I just thought that's where you're going. Paul george. I I'm I'm sure there will be some Lakers that fans that express their disappointment that he didn't decide to join the Lakers. Right. But I don't know. I it does seem like Luke Walton way of answering. It was like, we're just happy. We got the brand James, and he didn't have a comment about doors or anything else. You've just kinda like we're glad that we have LeBron will sort of see how things work out moving forward. Mike Trudell joining us on the morning show. We've been saying it all year and everybody that follows the NBA race doing talk show here. It's okay. The warriors are going to pull away the words you're gonna pull away are they going to pull away because you look at it right now the twenty five and thirteen they're near the top. But they haven't put their foot on the gas or the going to is it gonna happen. Are they going to separate and win the west by a handful a couple of handfuls of gamers this how it's going to go right down to the wire. No, I don't see. I don't see the warriors as dominant regular season team this year. Just don't think that you have their interest as much I think there's some some sort of true awkwardness about what's going to happen with Durant next year. And obviously, we all know the Draymond Durant situation from earlier, so they're not that to me isn't a team that rips off regular season wins like the rockets did last year, even like, the, you know, the warriors did a couple of years ago, there are they filled the best team that. Yes. As any of our any of us going to pick against them to win. No. But they to me they are truly vulnerable. And even when they get the markets cutting back. There's just the Mo-jo to me is just not the same nor is it ever for a team that wins that much over that many years. It's just that sports work except for the patriots, you know, and win every year. So I'm not I'm not locking them in to the number one seed by any means that even even though they have the best talent. You're listening. Two ks bien, Los Angeles. That win on Christmas mean anything other than it was a nice win. The Lakers shot the lights out was there. Anything beyond that. I don't think. So I mean for for the Lakers, I think it was good to see that you know, that they could compete right there at that level. And I think game plan was really good. But I also think that the warriors that was really more a game to me about the warriors and how they're playing right now and they struggled, and they they lost it to Portland. The next time. They were home is. So I'm not I'm just I'm a little bit down on them as regular season team. But again that doesn't mean we're gonna pick them to lose the postseason. I do think that it's a little different from last year where I still felt like just there's there's almost nothing that could happen. And that's all Houston was winning sixty five games. And I get it. We they took him to game seven. But I just never felt like that team wasn't going to win it. You're you're does feel different. And we'll see though if the market's cousins when he comes back. We'll see if he can end up being that X actor in a good way. Or if it just if it can create some more tension, and all of a sudden Igwe dollars, not finishing games or what about dream on green? All of a sudden his playing time starting to be question. Which I mean, nobody ever really considered 'cause he's struggling up be this year and what Steve Kerr in tight game decides, you know, what Draymond you're not on the floor when it matters. And you know, what I'm saying? There's just there. I'm a little I'm a little anxious. Not not like personally. But I if I were if I were around that team, I would be a little anxious to see how things work out this year last one thirty seconds man is pet FitzGerald NFL coach or D still want him to stay at north west. So he answered the question for us by saying that I will be at northwestern quote forever. Literally said forever. So I'm not that worried about it. I think the reason the Packers stuff came up is their president of the Packers famous. Mark murphy. Yes. ADM north west. And so I don't know. I I love it. I think he's great. I think he's great for what north western is. I I'm I'm much more curious to see what happens with USC because we know our my God clippings various on the interview for a couple of coking jazz. But I I don't think I don't think fits going anywhere Mike you see him on the Laker game tonight. Happy new year to you guys. Man, you soon you got it. He he mentioned it right there cliff king's interviewing for other jobs. Tell rack cliff Kingsbury, but in watching I get it. I mean, he's an innovative offense of guy. He's got it's going to put up points. The run at Texas Tech was it was okay wasn't terrible. Wasn't great. It was. Okay. It was what it was. Right. Better. So why why of a sudden if he's doesn't need to go and kind of polish the resume a little bit at SE and have them turn around offense before he becomes at the top. All these lists all over again. Well, the Houston job was available because they fired, you know, the Houston Cougars say they fire major, apple and all. Cliff Kingsbury interviewed for that job ain't giving it to West Virginia. Former coach Dana holders. So he has interviewed for other jobs. And now the NFL circles are starting to circle back to cliff Kingsbury now USC you just got the home run hire. You got clip Kingsbury Melva sudden, he's still more attractive to other people. Does he turned USC down? I mean, and if he does decide to go for greener pastures to the National Football League because of his resume of having Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes. And I think case keenum, he's coached all of these different guys. He can go to the NFL people. Like, this is what we have young innovative. He's hopefully, he's next Sean McVeigh where does USC go. That's my question. Happy new year. I'm not trying to throw cold water on cliff Kingsbury, coaching career, whatever. Yeah. He's going to do. What's best for him? I get it. I do the same thing. If it were me, I'm looking at it through the prism of us. Football. And they decided to keep clay Helton. And it was it was eight look we're gonna we're going to stay. The course we're going gonna we're going to stay with clay Helton. But everybody take a deep breath. We're going to bring it enough into person. We're going to bring in a guy. That's that's fresh that young. That's innovative. That's hip, whatever you wanna call it. He's going to come in. And he's gonna score a bunch of points. We went out and got cliff Kingsbury. He's here for five minutes, and he's already interviewing again, like what could you do exactly other than go out, and at least for a couple of weeks get everybody to conduct a little bit. If he walks out the door, you're looking at a clay Helton led team all over again. And we know what that looks like and Kingsbury leave like you mentioned. Klay Hilden has another year. He's gonna have often coordinator if US has another down year. Are you not backing up? The Brinks truck lint swan. Hey, excuse me. Can I urban Meyer online? Arguing dot calling say, look, look, can we can you urban you've been all these different programs. He's willing everywhere. He's gonna championship. He was great at bowling green. Went to a game at Utah. We never went undefeated undefeated two ships in Florida with the Gators. Yes. Another one in Ohio State has the buckeyes. He's one everywhere. USC fans be open to urban. Well, this is the first hurdle after come. He says he's not gonna do it. Again, the hell of a game. Great defense phase so chance I think thirteenth win gonna join it in China move on next era. What are the chances will never see you lead another team out of a tunnel. And I don't believe someone Ajoy tonight. I don't believe coach. Okay. Urban Meyer me tomorrow's Thursday. And I check a calendar. I I don't believe a word that comes out of the guy's mouth. He's that see lies. He's Warren scarlet before but turned into Scarlett in goal to your question about would urban Meyer be interested. Maybe maybe here's my question, though, is does USC wanna go and hire a guy. Like that. Is he great coach? Yes. We just went down his resum. Yes. He is everywhere. He goes he wins everywhere. He goes he puts guys in the league. He's he's a great football coach. He's also super shady, also everywhere. He's gone that sounds like USC. All right. A different kind of shape. Has Reggie Bush type shade. Here's a little money trading hands. They don't have Aaron Hernandez different white beaters on the staff. I wouldn't go in there. What he's got roles. He has more of like a slick smile. Mark six years of Florida at thirty three guys arrested. Yeah. Okay. I've seen this. This is this is serious shade. And SE is a football school. Yeah. See wants to be good football. Again. All the I don't know if they could get that dirty with that guy if you have another bad season. Yeah. Make a great again. Right. I mean, that's what pay here. Here's the other part too. And I know that it's not an exact connection. US's a lot of bad press lately outside from football, right, okay? Aside from football. They've had some old stuff. Yes. The idea of having gone through what that universities gone through. And then you know, what let's bring an urban Meyer. He start bringing in championship. We'll see the fingers pointed everybody. Bring him. Songs play. Now like introduce the new head football coach the USC Trojans urban come up here. Well, you know, I just I've been a lot of a lot of grams went through and spend a lot of time with my family and do people I do, and we're we're gonna go the expensive time and talk to my pastor decided there wanna take one more shot at this. And you know what he's doing? He's looking for the next Aaron Hernandez. He's looking for all these great players damn the consequences. But does USC want that I don't know if I do about the challenge for him. No like, Nick Sabin is is considered the greatest college coach of all time because of his accolades, and what he's done put for urban Meyer to have won a national championship in the SEC big ten and come over and said, I can do it in the pact. Will is that is that not showing everybody, look, whatever. Whatever you give me. I can turn it into a. There's. That's the challenge for him simply sitting around for one year being on television. Doing interviews. I don't doubt for a second that if they did hire him eight win. I don't doubt it. I I mean, he's a great coach. He's just a really shaded. And I don't know if USC under the current circumstances could go in that direction because first of all here's a hold on. You don't go. They don't make a ballgame. Again, traffic should help. No ready. That's not my argument isn't to keep clay Helton. I told you this already how to use e football, eat cereal. No, Bo, I've told you that already. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. Don't want to Michael Thompson. I'm done. I'm sure myself the door this idea that oh, hey who'd wanna come what you laid out. Come do it in the Pac twelve because you've done in the in the victim. It's interesting, and they're still and the mountain west and the MAC even still there's no program in the Pac twelve that has the cachet of USC. It's still the the Brandis brand name in the Pac twelve more. So than Oregon Washington UCLA, it's they got. OJ come on. There hasn't been a line of great coaches trying to get to USC. Keep Pete Carroll was the fifth guy tried to hire. This is not a people come racing to take. And they've been trying to replace Pete ever since he left trying to replace him. You don't want to get their hands dirty a little bit. Oh, I don't think there might getting dirty. I think they mind getting bloody potentially. That's watch. Crime shows on Netflix. Sports Illustrated and ESPN when or herbs around that'll give you the same idea. Paul George is coming back to so Cal for the first time the Lakers deciding not to become a Laker. What will the reception be? How's he gonna look we'll tell you next?

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Hour 1: Antonio Brown

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Hour 1: Antonio Brown

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Because I know you guys are largely tired of everything on bell and in Tonio Brown related, but for a moment here, I just want to marvel with you the country. On what happened here? Just so that we're clear on what happened here. I know you're tired of Antonio Brown. I know you're tired of him being a total clown show. A bit of a non team player. You might say a bit of a jerk bit of a clown. But let's examine for a second. The macro. A thirty one year old receiver under contract with no leverage under contract for several years. Decided through social media. To nuke the team of the Rooney's and football and the Pittsburgh Steelers. He decides to nuke this even though he's under contract. He doesn't have any real power. He just has the power to make a mess. Now. The next thing that has to happen is the Rooney family first family of football has to get out of the way because Al Davis scarecrow kid has given to media members a whole bunch of power to people. He picked off television to just pick them off television. People who are around football talking about football. I'll take may Aachen grooten, right? Those are two guys who already traded number one receiver not as good as this number one receiver leads everybody in touchdowns the last few seasons. But Antonio Brown has just ended up through social media as very bad diva a very bad rebel, a very bad martyr in terms of being under the thumb of the man and the mustache. This dude got exactly what he wanted. And the Steelers got bleeped the Steelers did not get what they wanted. The raiders got what they wanted Antonio Brown just rigged the system, and it was like watching a clown car show up in front of the Pentagon a tiny clown gets out with a blond moustache and the Pentagon crumbles like this is the Pittsburgh Steelers. The first family football. He makes a mess on Facebook. Nobody can control him. He gets everything he wants location. Now, you ain't trained me to the bills. I thought of the bills are you saying they botched this. I'm just marveling at how what happened is amazing. It really it should be the playbook if the broad could do what he didn't took ten now every diva wide receiver in the league has the playbook just make a mess. These teams can handle that did they don't know what to do with the social media. They're too old. They're there to stuck in their regimented establishment ways and the Rooney's get scared by the social media guy. What? What happens the Steelers get bleeped in Antonio Brown gets everything he wants. And Furthermore, another layer of this more complicated. The two black guys with the Steelers. Having a problem that they were willing to extend rothlisburger early. Ropley they've got a policy don't extend people early. They did it for the guy who's got a lot on his resume. That's worse than what in Tokyo Brown and Levy on bell have on their resume. If you don't think that's a problem. You ain't paying attention to any race relations in the locker room when the organization sides with the quarterback and extends him outside of policy and won't give the money to the other guys one of whom was dramatically underpaid. Antonio Brown was dramatically underpaid for four years. He agreed to that contract though. That's fine. But that's the rules in a league that shouldn't have a salary cap. He grade to that contract with the contracts are inherently unfair. And you're right. He should have honored the contract that would have been the more professional way to do it. However, you tell me if he got rewarded for honoring the contract. I mean, listen he went from zero guaranteed dollars over thirty million guaranteed dollars. He got exactly what he wanted you rising. It's crazy a clown car. Just knocked over the establishment. Because this look ryen russillo was asking this question on Twitter because everybody's gonna take sides on this nonsense. He's he's saying here. I've. Been trying to think of the most conversational way to ask this question. Do some of you think the players never wrong in the way, they go about trying to change their situation. I'm starting to feel that way Antonio Brown was wrong. But he just got rewarded for it in the most spectacular way when no leverage. Here's thirty million extra guaranteed. You can leave and you can go exactly to the west coast. Like you want? Don't you think most teams though with all that said everything a Benz past Antonio's past? Are you think most teams side with the quarterback? I mean, that's that's the most important right now at this point Antonio Brown is better at what he does than Ben Rothlisberger is at what he does and his younger, and is more valuable given his contract situations, you can make that argument in front, but it short-sighted the Steelers just nuked themselves for several seasons here because they are taking a cap hit on this as if he were still on the team like the Steelers got bleeped here up and down bleeped by two guys. Ben Roethlisberger's thirty seven years old. We've already seen his production. Go down. He's certainly not. The same quarterback, especially on the road. He is now pushed away 'Antonio Brown someone that has helped extend his career a career that Ben Rothlisberger doesn't seem fully committed to because he can't give a straight answer as to whether or not he's going to retire because of health reasons would be with his family. He's there's some far vibes. Here doesn't want to help the young quarterback sort of has an attitude problem just been accused by a former teammate of fumbling on purpose when he didn't like a play call in an ten point game in the fourth quarter. These are things that if they followed a quarterback that looked like say in Tonio Brown would be a bigger issue, especially when you consider the past that somehow Ben Rothlisberger has largely gotten away with and hasn't really had stick to him in a way that it might have if the quarterback looked like Antonio Brown. You can't reward this behavior you because it was a total clown show. We have not seen an athlete behave. This kind of unprofessionally. You know, the game long time any just got everything he wanted only because he was willing to make a mess. This is weird. Normally, you're the guy, that's pro athlete and chaos and against the establishment. And you seem to be on the Steelers you are so wrong about this. What I'm saying is you don't have to take a sign and Tonio Brown Ken be wrong. But the system just rewarded him. I don't care whether he's wrong, right? I'm more fascinated that football for all its rules all its discipline. We're going to be tough. We're going to be stronger than you. We're going to be more of a man than you. We're going to go into retirement limping and die early. Hey, never mind. We just lost to a small clown with the terrible mustache, which just loss. We just kicked our bleep up and down the field between doing mass singer and dancing with the stars. I love it. I think he looks perfect through what he's doing is great. I'm not disputing the great. I love it. I just think that he the pioneer is a clown. And I love all of it. I love the energy in it. Because all the contracts you believe in think about the coach. She has he just trampled a drill. Sergeant. Just trampled him here. Never mind. The rest of your career here is not going to be a whole lot fun pioneer. Mcdonald's is Ronald and our great for him. It's a great point. It is an excellent point. The pioneer mcdonagh. I put it on the poll better clown to lead movement. Ronald McDonald earn Tonio Brown. Let's consider the secret life of the INA. Most nesting doll living most of her life in the dock inside the other nesting, does she has plenty of time to think if she could Saturday she has no brain, however, when most nesting dole, his gyco, not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer pitchy in most nesting Dollond lot in life. Dr lebatardshow is the number of people who would risk certain death to go to Mars staggering because I don't believe it is still God's. Although now thinking about it. Wait, can I get famous is there an appearance fee? What is Mars pay is an appearance fee? I could colonize an entire land of content where I storm around and teach all the people of my primitive ways, I start sports radio and more. It's just you and no microphone listeners are going to be a struggle at the beginning. Maybe we don't know. Really? Right. Maybe we'll have the number one show on live at our show with as to God's on ESPN radio. We'll talk to Bill Barnwell at eleven o'clock eastern about what just happened to the Steelers. And how rare it is what just happened to the Steelers just know if you're listening. I don't know how Billy heard from me that I was anti Antonio Brown. When the only thing anyone ever years for me is that I'm player apologised, and I defend athlete misbehavior. I'm saying both things can be true. He could be acting like a clown show and be wrong at every turn. And yet still the reward is he gets it right at the end with the only thing that mattered dam, which is getting his pay fixed and ending up somewhere else. If he had it was horrible tone. I'm with Billy. I I had a tough time deciding you met at the Steelers humanity. Tony anybody? I'd love. You'd have to be mad at somebody. You have to take a side radio come up. I'm all for anything happening in sports that has Mike Greenberg. Tweeting don't hate the player hit the game. If that whatever happened good. I don't understand. Why bad leader follows Aaron Rodgers around and not Ben Rothlisberger. I mean, it's anyone else confused by this. He's pushing weapons away thirty seven years old. He's throwing young receivers under the bus constantly. He has passed. He's just been accused of fumbling on purpose. He always fought with his offense. Am I am? I crazy here having this conversation. Well, when you stared his hand there are two rings on it. There Rogers has one is to the threshold is that the tipping point to not make this a national talking point. He should be displaying better leaders. I think I might be right on this look at what to rings his gotten Eli manning people discuss ridiculously the idea of him in the hall of fame that second one is big man. I'm telling the second one is bid because Joe flacco. That's second ones the difference between getting in the hall of fame and not getting in the hall of fame. And right now, Erin seems to be on the bubble when Eli in I made a flacco at a second. He'd still be a raven. On the bubble. Right. I just learned something to that was unaware that Aaron Rodgers is on the hall of fame bubble. We don't make the rules here. Dan, just how it is. You have to rings. You got to go one on each handwrite. You said he had he had to on both. I would go if I had to rings them going one on each hand. That's fair you stare at his hands and he has to rings on those hands. Right. That's it doesn't matter where how he wears them. Well, let's figure this out for a second. Because I'd like to know what the Stu gods statistical scale is for the stuff because he's right when he says twos, a big one. But does this move across sports because LeBron James and shack have both been called underachievers by Stu gods? And they've got more than two. So is this a football thing. Yeah. It's a football thing. It's it's a different sport. Where in the NBA that one guy means so much to his team is organization. Rothlisburger is not out there all the time. Okay. Lebron is Rothlisberger has to rely on the defense. Lebron does not. So it's totally different. Lebron should have more and shack. Most certainly helped me understand. What your rules are in terms of position in sport and stuff, so two and football makes you golden forever. The franchise should side with you forevermore, you're too and football at quarterback if you're a quarterback, and you have two or more in the NFL you are set for life. You're go into the hall of fame, and you could stay with that organization for as long as you want. I think it might be right. I think that I think Mike you're wrong. You lose that Benz chine- rings have blinded Steeler management. They've gotten rid of all of their talent. They're going to be paying into new crown. Ton of money this year under the salary cap birds. What is it is it eleven percent of their salary. Cap is going to end Tonio Brown this year to keep the sealers keep taking fires on young quarterbacks because they don't know Ben Rothlisberger level of commitment for the position for the years to come and Ben Rothlisberger refuses to help them and takes a publicly combative stance against them in the media was the Steelers helped me here because the Steelers that a lot of funding stuff around them was the Steelers Villanueva thing the thing outside the locker room with a former service member who didn't want to be in the locker room during the anthem was that last year or the year before last I remember they fixed it last year, and everyone came and watched the NFL again because it's no longer an issue so Z year before okay because I want to go back to that moment in time and just like reconvene right there with Mike Tomlin and say, hey, what might you do a little different from right here from right here. The kneeling. You got a guy outside your locker room. You just told in the sideline report. You just told the sideline reporter we're going to remain in the locker room, and it's just going to be us. And then the next thing, you know, I mean there have rarely been three skill Blair's on the same team like these three guys and two of them blow up in your face. And now, you're just with the bloated Thirty-seven-year-old. You got you. I mean. Okay. Fair enough. He's gonna get sick. And as soon he's gonna get sick of it because everyone's getting sick of it there. He's pushing everybody away. He being Ben Rothlisberger. Open your eyes people and don't be blinded by the two rings, which is an absurd threshold to ranks. I mean, there are only three quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now that have multiple rings. Ben is one of them Brady and Eli they have job security for look at Eli. That's the perfect example. It's hard to argue with you when you look at ally when you simply looked at and I would I would say it's a bit of a stretch to call a job security. What do you I have? I mean the Steelers of one six Super Bowls begs responsible for half of them. I don't think it's a bit of a stretch to say that he lamenting has job security. He was out man. The people fired and then got gone already. And then they read. They didn't feel sorry for Joe flacco. Because one thing you know, what this argument has merit. I've been I've been flipped. I think got is right about this. You have to rings. You can do whatever you want, which is the sort you've made in Tokyo Brown bleaches mustache. And that's the reason that you've been able to do it the shine off those rings Brett farve. Zach got old. You know, why one ring? Exactly, right. Joe montana. Career as a forty nine. He went to Kansas City to rings. Many rings many well apparently to is threat over can get ready. You don't want to have too many Joe at four. Oh is that? Right. You don't wanna have too many? Okay. Steve young. Backing you up, okay. We gotta talk about this Jose gets. It goes story. We will do so next donlevatar punctuate this segment with what is your strike three. Call strike one. Would be sure. And then you stand up, and you have a good point to the right? Stugatz. That same for strike to strike three. You get down low. You got your hands behind the catcher? All right. The right arm goes up into the air. And then you finish it with the punt right on our way up into the air. See that. Does. This is our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. We had some fun at the expense of Antonio Brown who was charging five hundred dollars on cameo for very poor scripted messages that were insincere happy thirtieth birthday. And I hear this a second aniversary wedding. I loved it. I saw another one this weekend thought it was one of those cameo things. But it was just Antonio Brown. Telling Derek Carr, he was open. I'm not joking. He just comes out of the box with DC. I'm open. How do you think this is going to go friend Tonio and Oakland? Oh, he's gonna make a lot of money to go. Well. I think it's gonna go well in terms of production. I mean, he's got thirty million guaranteed to Dan sport. And then. Yeah. From a production standpoint, I think it'd be grazed not closer to the Super Bowl. But he got more guaranteed money on the other side of thirty. It's gonna go great because those checks are going to keep clearing. The raiders aren't going to go out of business before they go to vague vis a lot further away from the Super Bowl. But he's a lot closer to retirement. I mean, I mean, he's just closer to more money, which is what he wanted. Right. Yeah. Which at first it didn't seem that way. And then you realize that was a play here. No state taxes in Nevada which is where they're moving next year. It's just kinda hard for me to have faith at this will go well because it's the raiders for one. We have talked a number of different times with receivers like Steve Smith, Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin told that great store, you might have it. There of something that happened in the Super Bowl with him an Alvin Harper, but over the years, we have talked to all of the diva receivers, and in their most honest moments what you will get from them as I'd rather have the ten catches for one hundred thirty yards in. Loss than two catches for ten yards in a win. So stop making it about winning. And losing even though that might be the important thing to you the athlete winds when he cashes in in that sport with guaranteed money. But I'm not sure he's gonna get a catches. How am I supposed to reconcile what I saw with Mark Hooper? I thought Amari Cooper was washed because he just wasn't productive as a young player because because if it doesn't work there like it didn't work for Randy moss than two years from now, we'll have that same contract and he'll play somewhere else when Jon Gruden get blown out and may get blown out. He'll have the same contract and go somewhere else to play the end of a thirty three year old in the last year of a deal. But this was his time to cash in. It's why he did it with such deal. Like, it's what the reason that he did it is because of the way negotiations went with Ben Rothlisberger getting extended two years before they had to and they didn't do that for Antonio Brown. It was his absolute last chance ever to get thirty million plus guaranteed, and that's it took it in credit to the raiders because they were making some pretty confusing deals over there. Oakland. This is relatively low risk. They got him. If all the costs is money and a couple of food the productiveness of that guy is crazy. I can't believe the Steelers took this offer. I just can't. I'd rather Antonio Brown. Just sit than have a third and fifth round pick. I would he had to take the offer. He poisoned the well. And by certain reports, he wasn't exactly playing ball. With other offers that were out there. It's funny man with no real power. He had all the power, regardless. We'll leave it alone and come back to with Bill Barnwell in a second. But Jose Canseco, and I'm still waiting ESPN. Let's go thirty for thirty on just can take. Oh, he deserves it. If you're going to do it for Dion. You gotta do it for the stories knots. And so considered goes now on Twitter gamma where you're gonna go. She with Jose can can say on seeing aliens and Bigfoot, I'm pretty sure that legal's not gonna let that happen. Be idea of having multiple employees at an undisclosed location in the middle of the desert with Jose can Saco seems to be something that they're not. This is my father says his greatest enemy are ESPN and Disney's lawyer wait, their lawyers and security should absolutely be worried. Oh, they can Saco is promising you to see ski sasquatch is you're going to a special sasquatch reserve. You don't know how sasquatch is will act. These are very dangerous creatures that we don't know enough about. That's exactly right. I've had multiple conversations with other people and in my head, and these conversations have cover lots of issues involving safety, and if I will die on this. And then one of the things that I was worried about that. I was kinda hoping maybe we could get Jose on the phone to talk about beforehand is if he's encountered these big foot big feet. I'm not exactly sure the plural. If we ever do this poll. What is the plural of Bigfoot is it big feet or big foots? So if we were to see these big Foot's in their natural habitat, I'm assuming he's done this in the past. But I'm not sure the temperament of big feet, you know, and I don't know if he knows. The temperament of big feet. And he is familiar with big feeding, you know, like sometimes you see someone's dog, and they tell you this is the sweetest dog. And then a stranger comes in the dog kind of loses their mind. I don't know if it's the same with big feet. So I'm concerned that if we do encounter the big fee, which he says, we will what happens if they you know attack the RV that we're in how strong are the big feet. I don't know these things, and I don't know that he knows these things which is one of the concerning things that I'm assuming is going through the minds of the people at legal. Plus, we haven't even crossed the alien bridge, which is also a part of this. How do you even ensure a trip like this, honestly? The thing that you just reminded me of and I'm hoping you can do this for the rest of the show of this subject keeps coming up isn't arrested development episode where job the brothers splits his teeth on a candy apple and the rest of the episode everything. He says sounds lispier through the tooth like four or five times. You can hear the whistling through the tooth. And then they just run the joke. It happens like eighty times during the episode where every tenth word with an S has that I want you to do that with big feet. I want you to make the plural big foot. Big feet. No. I just want you to keep referencing big feet. The plural of it. Can I get to this consent? Go story. I'm kind of confused by this whole arrested development thing where we go in here. So here is some Twitter action from Jose Canseco over the weekend. So his belly speaking with a list, just so we're all clear quote watching world of dance watching jaylo text Alex Rodriguez little. Does she know that he is cheating on her with my ex wife? Jessica poor girl. She has no idea who he really is. I was there a few months back with her when he called her and her phone he continued and then Alex Rodriguez stopped being a piece of bleep stop cheating on Jennifer Lopez. And then finally, and this is usually how it ends with Jose can take Conceico diatribes on Twitter, usually Alex Rodriguez. I challenge you to a boxing match or an EMMY meant anytime you want for money. Of course, I know he doesn't say for money. But that is that it goes without saying. Great. Last week. You said Jose can Saco has regret over leaking some of the the names in juiced and that he's been ostracized. And he doesn't like that. But he does stuff like this, which seems a double down all, but he's crazy when it comes to women and has been all his life. Like, these e is crazy in terms of jealousy. Just in terms of women because he's promising to see aliens and sassy and he's praising all right? Put this on the poll. What's crazier about Jose Canseco that he tells you that you can see a big feet and alien big Foot's or his jealousy. It's tough here who do you believe more could Saco or Iran. I mean. Arabs, not saying anything. I don't think Iran's denying it right now. Billy, you didn't understand anything. I was saying did you? I think it's big feats donlevatar. Who? Guillermo, sassy, stugatz sexy. When you're Sesing visit live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. So if James Dolan is not the worst owner in sports, he is a hall of fame loser. As an owner. He's not the worst. He's in the conversation. Now that Donald sterling has been run out of that league. And so we've got some sound for you from basketball from James Dolan. And a lot of people have been telling James Dolan for years to sell the Knicks TMZ has some sound here. That is funny and interesting, but before we get to it. Let's just get to that. Troy Aikman story involving Michael Irvin. And Alvin Harper because the way that I had always heard the story was that Michael Irvin? Ran down the field chasing Alvin Harper with a touchdown. That was supposed to go to Michael Irvin. Let's hear Troy Aikman. Tell that story true or false Alvin Harper was running in the Super Bowl with the football. And Michael was chasing him a touchdown for Alvin Harper Michael was chasing him because it was an audible yelling. That's I touchdown. You're running with my touchdown. That's my touchdown. Well that will. That was in the NFC championship game. Our first one in the ninety two CS and we had called this play. It was eight ninety six flat and the six curl route. And the eight was the skinny post, and and Michael had been running skinny post the entire game. And I'd never thrown it, and he's been running the curl or Alvin Harper, Ben running the curl and based on coverage. Every time we call that playing the game it pretty much went to Alvin Harper. And so there late in the game. We call eight ninety six f flat Michael will do this from time to time. He would try to line up where he thought the ball was going to go. And so he told Alvin, hey, you run the post I'm going to run the curl because that's where he thought it would be thrown. Again, what's interesting about that? Is that I think because Michael went to run the curl. Is it created the coverage that we ultimately got I don't know that we would have gotten the same. Look Michael was the one running that route. But you know, Alvin taxes the ball. And Michael believes he would have been the guy getting it had. He not sold Alvin changed position. Yes. He was running down the field naming that you know, he was happening. He could be it was not a selfish act on his part. But he was screaming that that was his ball. And it should have been him making that. What it is a funny thing and the most cloudy, I mean after Ocho Cinco Tarallo wins. Michael irvin. The most clowney unprofessional behavior from a diva wide receiver. We've seen is from this guy with the died mustache, you know, between takes on the mast singer and dancing with the stars. Totally nuking the Steelers we will talk to Bill Barnwell about that. Because I really am. I I am really startled that all of this worked out with the Steelers taking a beating and in Tonio Brown getting everything that he wanted when he had no real power except to make a mess. How did this work out perfectly for Antonio Brown? I think about the well, he's really good. That's that's how it worked out perfect. I mean team had them would zero guaranteed dollars. They could have just kept him. And he turned that into thirty plus million by missing a football game. You know, what do to get out of Pittsburgh and the pillar of professionalism? That is. Is the Rooney's. Go ahead and hire drew Rosenhaus and be something less than a pillar professionalism. Unless of course, you're the quarterback with two rings. Then they'll pay you forever. I want to get to Bill Barnwell in about fifteen minutes. But before we do that how bad is this James Dolan sound Mike because the Knicks exist just to be laughed at and James Dolan is getting told by everybody for years that he should sell the team. And what does he do? He does what bad dictator? Do. He tries to kick people out of the facility. The sound comes courtesy of TMZ sports. One or not. Anymore? That's rude. Opinion. And you know, what joy watching them on TV what three of in all the cabinet all per cabinet all hip academy. Any ken? What's anyone going to do about it boss move? It is a boss move. I mean, but listen those fans who care about that team, and that organization so much and have endured so much Barrasso in so much losing they deserve the right to say James sell the team, and they should be able to say that without Dolan. Oh, but he's got the power. And no one's going to do anything about it. What are they gonna do is the Commissioner gonna find him for doing that to one of the customers? Or is it Commissioner gonna hide under his desk because the owners are in charge. What would you do? I would not allow an owner to treat my customers that way, and especially not that owner because everyone's fed up with that owner in the way that sterling got gone is not because of the racist things. He said it's because everybody was fed up with that owner like everyb- all the other owners didn't want him around. He was consistently embarrassing other owners, and this guy's doing the same thing. Like these. He think about this who second place right now for worst owner. I don't I think this is the consensus number one overall pick worst owner in sports, go ahead and give me an we're including the one whose company was indicted and football and speaks to homeless people to draft his quarterbacks Rooney's are in that conversation right now, they are not. You don't have a better contribution than that. That's the best. I don't have a war zone or anywhere at sports than than James Dolan. I mean, he's the absolute worst. But I am holding out hope that we get direct Kyrie Irving and Zion. Williamson. And then he becomes the best owner in sports Dolan was right on that wasn't an opinion from that guy isn't cleared if sentence and his right on sell the team is not an opinion. Yeah. Should sell the team opinion. So that was semantics Dolan was kicking him out for. Yeah. Well, yes them what do you mean? By like is an opinion. And he's like, no, it's not he wins point. He wins in every way. Right. He keeps getting except for the place that matters which is in the uniform. I mean, it's your stance on not allowing an owner to talk to people this way is an interesting one. No, no, no. It's denying them the the paying customer access to the arena. It's not the he could say back, whatever he likes. He could what he can't do is have security escort a paying customer out for that. Because I just always assumed your take. Just because you have a ticket doesn't allow doesn't give you the right to treat people like this because it doesn't. But once the owner does that and really honestly, the owner can do that just don't get caught doing that. Once there's a video of an owner saying that to a paying customer, if you're the Commissioner, you ought to find the owner Daniel Snyder put it on the pole Guillermo at lebatardshow, who's the worse owner, James Dolan or Daniel Snyder, I'm gonna give zone some credit. He actually was pretty polite in banning this person told him on joy, watching television time video could have gone a lot worse. If he were he was mad at the guy and he handled it his tone never got outta line. I'm citing with James Dolan. That's his move is to ban people. Didn't who didn't do it. Did he do it to Charles? Oh training. Course. He did also told him to sell the team. We got him arrested. I mean, you got him arrested in front of everyone act Madison Square Garden, he lost that one on the court of public opinion. But it's actually these are boss moves from James Dolan. The team doesn't have to be good for there to be a demand for season tickets. He's speaking from a point of leverage, and it's a privilege to have those seats. No matter how bad they are. I'm just imagining this Kevin guy. He said hold them for Kevin. Kevin do I imagine. Kevin. Where's a big black cloak? I'm afraid of the guy that holding them for Kevin. Can you imagine? How about Canada's? If he's like everyone else with the Knicks. He's not any good at whatever that job is. You don't think they're gonna kick and people out of that arena. They're the best they need to give. There's only two instances that we've ever spoken about. And they've actually been pretty embarrassing for the organization. So maybe they're both the only time we talked about the Knicks. The last few seasons is when they're doing things like this. It's been about eight years since we talked about the Knicks. And it's only when TMZ sports is finger around somebody's telling James Dolan to sell the team. Some other good basketball sound came from Jeff Van Gundy, we will get to Stu gods is weakened up survey shins here in about forty five minutes per play the Van Gundy sound trading LeBron. And look I think in the off season they have to retail this roster. Right. It could be. Trade four and Anthony Davis or I think they need to export trading. Lebron for getting as much as they can what are you doing? What are you doing? No. You gotta get on the right time on if I could trade him for the clippers into cap space, which could give me a better chance to get Durant or Kawhi Leonard would I not do that the broad James not get trading. Okay. You got to put everything on the though you can I hear from the players house. It's business. Everything is business. Well, if it's business then I have to do what's best for my business. I'm not saying, you definitely trade them up saying everything on the table tickets this team better. But bottom line. There's no way that's happening. How do you know?

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"That sounds like a police car. No see there you go. What what? Has see him. Oh, man. So I mean. The I I don't know what they're trying to get done with the raiders. I I really I don't know what the plan is. I don't know where they're going. I don't know. That's right. I forgot about that part where we're seen into forgot about the update part. That's okay. We're here for you. Cockle doodle do in the morning again to you. So here's my problem. Here's one of my problems. Roger them think I'm crazy. So you probably agree with me on this Travis, and maybe you will to Elsie. Amusement parks writes, things of that nature. Just not one of my favorites at all not into that. Doesn't work for me at Sea World in San Diego. They have the the kind of like the gauntlet ride that the deal that goes across like a gondola via gondola deal. That goes across the got stuck people were trapped up nine people trapped overnight stuck up top. So eventually they finally got him down. But see that's why I don't get on that sort of stuff doesn't happen. Very awful. I'm not every time you say it doesn't happen. Very often. I've heard this before we look up somebody stuck at one amusement parks swinging up there all by yourself. Never happens. It takes pricing ten thousand round trips a day in finally on the ten thousand one you happen to be the one right is just like you get into the ocean, no sharks. They owned by the shark. Somebody's be chased by short. I'm on the shark thing. I'm hoping that roller coaster roller coaster. Good. I'm good. So what did you sit there and eat a snow cone? I do I sit on the bench and let them run around my my business. But that is why don't they don't get on. Right. Well, I mean. I get on. I like the really big loopy fast roller coasters. But I don't but not the traveling carnival type. No, no, that's. People put together if they're putting it together in the grocery store parking lot. I don't need that. They have the big drops. And so what I do. I'll get a quarter and put it in my hand, and you go down a big drop in just levitated. Yes. He does care about his life that much. I need to least know there's something. I can sue. You know what I mean? You're actually, right. Suic-? Who is putting this deserve. Also, I'm just going to get hurt. I'm not going. Yeah. You're talking about just like injury. You're talking about a fatality. No, fatality, you know. But those things going on him. They don't do it. I am generally speaking kind of an overly cautious guys far as the ocean, but the roller gotta be able to survive it going die people survive all the time. What about what you ever go to raging water there? Something. No, no, no. Oh too dirty talking about y'all. See the water think about hair spray and Kim eagles in public pool. Slow waterpark. Larry not they're not there. I'm. Yes. Saturday. Oh god. Do you want to do? User. I don't know what that is solar fuses the ban and just got a tweet. They cover a lot of Motown. Apparently. Okay. So you groove and moving betters Richardson and sky Isaac shout guys. Where is it? But yeah, there's no cover which got my attention. The in say words out. Well, I'm waiting to see if he's interested. I I'm interested. All right here where the heck is Westlake village. That's village by the west late or you wanna go. I'm probably not going to be here. You're listening to. Least artfully done I've ever seen. I'm not going to be here. Usually there's got a kid thing. Wife's plans. It was he's just not going to be here. No, no, no, no kids about about. Nobody's. But this season coming up. We. Yes. So you there. So it's at the Simpson. Probably that we're at the theater ampitheatre Civic Center says Westlake village, California, kind of far from me from eight to noon, no cover as I say. And Motown Motown see he says to four hundred ten miles from my four seasons, right? Nice there them mister Johnson credit card. Our business mister Johnson. Mr johnson. Yes. That's exactly how they took him. You're welcome back. Did you get here? Critic carry you got their pick. Oh, Mr. Overton hokey. Okay. Herber clear Herber. Herbert. Decent sound these sports and I'll find some Herber. All right. Derek Carr yards. Worst QBR's in football last year. And he got sacked a bunch of fifty one times the most he's ever been sacked in his career. He didn't have a running back weapon. Really? He didn't have a deep threat weapon. Really? There's nothing going on about Derek Carr. And so what do you do to get better? You just have to improve everything around him. Do you have to go out in tighten up that offensive line? They two rookies on the line last year. Do you need to go get a wide receiver with one of these picks because Derek Carr had a massive regression in the first year under Jon Gruden? Absolutely. They should try find a wire receiver in a guy that I think they need to go. Get is Kelvin Harmon from NC state big fast receiver productive, west coast. Thou fits perfect on the slants, and the things that they wanna do the stakes to stick nods that the sleet the seems a slug oils fades in a red zone. Shallow crosses all. All those things fit perfectly will Jon Gruden wants to do that's the type of receiver. They need to go. Try to find. I still think he is the type of quarterback he wants to move. Yeah. I still believe that. But if you moving what you get I don't know. I mean what what are you going to get right now back? What you need a QB. Do you? I mean, I mean, I I hear what you're saying. But they moved Khalil Mack. They moved Amari Cooper. They've moved their other players that were valuable assets. And I don't know how valuable Derek cars anymore after having the season that he just had. But you're a team like the giants or the Jags is the transition a transition year or or or who drafted him non Jon Gruden who Reggie McKenzie. Where's he now? Audio's? No he's with a console dolphins the dolphins. And what do they need QB? I mean, so to me there. To. So it's a good question the question, but if I'm building for something, right? Twenty twenty twenty twenties. Crop is probably a lot better to it the quarterback. So if I'm, but if I'm building towards Vegas, if I'm building towards putting a product on the field in Las Vegas that I'm going to feel good. I can go through another bad season. He just did it for you run liquor. Who will you can't do that? You could certainly do that twenty twenty s draft class. I think is a lot stronger at the quarterback position just off the top of my head. You got the key at this up a you dove noun. The kid said Georgia you too. You could have Lawrence is he eligible next year is no because he was a true freshman. True freshman. Yeah. But that crop is strong enough. A twenty two just off the top of my head Jake from from Georgia. You got the kit that let Jacob e sin say, you dump down transfer from Georgia does a story you got. You say who Jacob Mayer mill, you know, him take you got Justin Herber from Oregon. He's this year. He's going to come out. No, he's not eating commodity state. Oh, that's right. He stayed in school. Who else you got him? I just I at the top of my head. I just know you got quite a it seems like Jon Gruden particular though is if we're ranking the things that are important Jon Gruden having quote, unquote, his guy seems to be the number one bullet point on the SM point you you don't run out. I gotta get my guys. That's that that Kurds run out in the first or seven car seats, go run out because you okay? We can dump anymore year long. Right. All year long Gruden grew. Just smashing all year long now that years over so he's back to a honeymoon stages. Because now he can say, well, this is why we were awful because we look toward April of twenty nineteen now twenty nineteen comes around you. You could sail trade and car you could sell all the twenty nine thousand nine season. But as some point that's going to come calling us, go come do and you'll have to pay right? April of twenty twenty September of twenty twenty people. Get tired of hearing. We're building for vague. That's why I think he's got one more year to get out give him if he wants to go through a miserable season again next year you can play that game. But you better be sure that you've got a quarterback in other pieces around your team when you go to Kars one of those pieces to that when. You look at him. He's kinda right in the middle. Like if you have him is your guy, you don't hate it. Because you've seen it enough in the NFL to where he's has had success. Did you feel that way two years ago when he will take them to the could've took them? Yeah. I think that's did feel that way. No. You felt great about you having your quarterback. But when you add all of it in there's some good there's some bad, but there's more bad recently than good. If a half the play with them great. But I don't have to keep him if somebody else's wanted to give me another first round pick and Jon Gruden fancies himself a draft genius. Now, he's not, but if you fancies himself one that may be appealing him. And by the way, you were talking about very beginning. He has to type of ego that whatever success that he gets he wants to be able to say untethered, it is my success, and you can't have someone else's Huby. Your car will never be that. But you can't have never be even if there's guy even their car was Tom Brady, you can't have Reggie McKenzie selection lead to. Promised land because you still can't take full credit which is something that happen to him in Tampa that he obviously doesn't want to happen to him again here in Oakland now that he's back again. So what happened to him in Tampa heating, get the credit four credit, but. Dungy's dismounts with the team after we won the Super Bowl and create and dismantled the team after we won the Super Bowl and at the same time. He created his own team. Yeah. And it didn't go anywhere for the next five. So we had the opportunity to build his own roster for sure. Yep. Everybody that was everybody that was an important part of our Super Bowl run for the most part was gone. Only people is left was like, Brooke see Ron day, and that was pretty much it. But that's the point. I l z you're trying to make is that he would rat. He'd rather go down in failure than win with somebody else. Getting the credit? He would rather jettison. Derek Carr, go get a new guy. Maybe get a guy after that. And the guy after that rather than let Derek Carr the reason. Hey, you know, what the raiders the Las Vegas raters? They might win that division. You know, why? Because Derek cars, killing it could he can't fathom that sentence. It has to be the Las Vegas. Raters are really good this year. Because John rude and rebe the team. That's that's the sentence. That's the only sentence that's acceptable to him. The only the only van. Is he looks at Derek Carr who was an MVP candidate to seasons. Go before he got hurt will three now three three now. But you can bring them up from the ashes now you can say when I got him. He was a broken even if you lift the fire. Of all the plans to throw to be like. Lifted hor for he coaches like John grew to accept finished products. That's really good Gleevec because he won't get the credit. Is there a lot of coaches are? He's one. He. Yeah. He is believable. Go on stories. We could sit here for hours talking to right? We talking just made the point that he could have Tom Brady. And that's the ultimate example. It almost feels like if somehow someway, you snap your fingers and Tom Brady became available like I don't need that. No. I was. I was literally go say Tom Brady omitted to go without saying, you know, what I ain't doing like that. I'm not even gonna do him like that. But that's just I remember when he came to us I was running route. And he tried to tell me that I was running wrong. About the same whole career. Dale you talking about. You know, just he needs prints on it like we don't want. We don't want him running like that. That's a swint. What are you talking about? No other way to run it. But that's who he was Chris. You have a little good first. Here's your. Call. It's been tricked out to look like an ice cream truck. I'm sorry. What you know with colorful pictures, train, trains and. Young children. The duck. Roger's got not gonna spinoff. Yeah. But I'm calling the police. 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In Tokyo Brown is kinda gone through the progression of wanting to get out of Pittsburgh. It was about Ben Rothlisberger. And then it was about money. And now it's about all of the above. Here's Antonio Brown with his latest of why he wants out of Pittsburgh. All right. You have to play that during black history month. Trip. He's out of breath is one thing that he's gasping for these working out. Per se, I'm in control of my destination. But hey, somebody helped me. Nonsensical look down. You breaking it down to break it down. This ain't gonna down way on instinct ill fair is no unfair breaking down because we know what age this is where we're at in. This is social media. And he's he's. How do I wanna faint phrase a phrase that you're going to say he's doing it for show while saying this is not for show? He's. I don't. Say that's where I'm stuck what he. The message is. Go ahead. You wanna tell I need some guaranteed money. And I don't want to be traded to a team doesn't have guarantee. Money waiting for me at the end. But she don't understand unguaranteed. No, actually, triple negative. Positive. Triple negative is a negative. Eight no guarantee believe that's true. Eight no. On triple negative, which k- break them in English down like that. I can only go by what he said. I don't know these awnings. I don't know what he's asking. Really? And I'm helping myself big a hole, but why you do it is black issue bra. He's just trying to come up. He wants out. He wants money out is that what he's asking for. He's certainly. Asking to be not a good model. We need to be move. But he is. On a treadmill working out, probably presumably south Florida wish from in that particular area and he's sending a. Urban. Message to. All of the athletes. Hip hop artist of the world that kinda. Kinda could understand what he saying? I don't really necessarily know that he really necessarily think that he knows that the people he's trying to send a message to like you don't understand what he's saying. I think we're finally. Could he really understand that Mr. Rudy probably has no idea what he says he's not going to try to decipher a triple negative. He's just getting I don't know. Oh, no. I don't know. I guess he wants out against Ben eight no nothing. Ain't no nothing. No guarantees many needed guarantee. Money house rush doing the post fine. We just a Q Shaun's other favorite receiver. Odell Beckham is in a news. Obviously they're talking about maybe him going in trade it to the forty Niners San Francisco. So we put up a poll which diva wide receiver. Would you want on your team and sixty percent of the peoples? They have voted for owed l Beck. Brown. I think he's less trouble today. Yeah. No. Because they got it because he's Antonio's Antonio's in your face today. So people are seeing it, and it's like KOMO Sears tomorrow when odeal releases his then everybody else because he's coming ain't no nothing drops tomorrow. And a treadmill might be a little clean on. On the AB can't have like, dude. Referred third person. Ain't no nothing for show. But I'm on Instagram. Just got us. Grandma, murder aside. I just I just wanted to Tonio Bronx think he's a better football player me too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean because they're both going to do stuff. They're both going to be in the news. They're both going to seek attention, whatever. I don't care as long as you're as long as you're producing. I don't care if you're writing a helicopter, you've got ten thousand dollars or whatever it might be. I don't care Antonio Brown. I think is a better football player than del Beckham junior. Odell Beckham is nice, but he's not. Beckham is legit. There's no question about it. But it's hard for me to to pick him over a be right now. Just because the skill set that A B brings to the table. I think is just more electrifying. The me more of a deadly threat to me in deal. Not that does not at threat. I just think that you know, it's like. Do you want a seven forty seven to do you want a regular gosh Trine, what do you want? They both go get you to the same place. But one might get you there faster. You can put more people on it. That's kind of how I look at it ever much deeper appreciation for my Tomlin and the job that he's been a great point. Because if you think about the videos from Levy on bell and the videos Montoya Davis, and you got to depend upon ground. David state in New Orleans. Not davis. Don't talk about. Maybe I'm Bill you those dudes and your locker room, and you got depend on them. And Ben Rothlisberger and being. Yeah. He hasn't jumped any mix tapes yet. But no, but he's a became pay. He's he's a drama Queen because every other days I go on. Drama Queen is any major drama. He's from this is my last season last season. Can do this shoulder hurt some runoff to field and come back in hold on not gonna win without me? Let me put it. But he is. And I think at the end of the day, Mike Tomlin, you know, he'll be better for not having that in his locker room of. Fortunately, Big Ben is there, and he's probably not gonna go anywhere because he's a quarterback in those guys. Don't come. You know that often with especially when you are productive question. Are you can you honestly say that they're going to be a better team without Antonio Brown? No, no. They're not going to be a better. Okay. Let me scratch not necessarily a better team. But you don't have to deal with the answers of questions every single day about why this why that unless somebody else emerges all of a sudden in creates those think about this stuff. What minute he had Martavis Bryant lady pill. Perfect AP and people talking about he should have been fired Terry Bradshaw, all dismissing when you. Ties Americal there's some whispers that the Lakers are concerned with LeBron unguaranteed find out what with that next. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, smokey Ravis. Seventy nine years old see this. This feels like to me. Feels like nineteen sixties diner. Right milkshake fries cheese plant in males. Yeah. This is this is what that feels like males is this. Sunset one of intersting. There's one that's incentives. Woah. Hollywood hollywood. I don't know about the other one. Yeah. I don't know about the other ones. Right. Just would that be west of spallina? I don't know about that one. All right. Breaking news. Tonio Brown just tweeted a few minutes ago, and he posted a picture of himself with Mr. Rooney, and it says had a great meeting with Mr. Rooney today, we discuss a lot of things and we cleared the air on several issues. Exclamation point. We both agreed that it's time to move on. But I have all in gratitude towards the Rooney family and the Steelers organization hashtag called God. Hashtag booming. It was liked by news magazine. There you go. Be magazine like the tweet. Do did five thousand other people. What are we doing? Thousand. Yeah. Twenty six thousand I've got a new version than I have. I'm looking at Twitter. Oh, yeah. Well, it's time to go pack up move out keeping moving they'll raise your kids in another city. There's other banks him. Yeah. He's at the end of the day. Been more before you go on because Adam Schefter on his Instagram says, and there it is and Tonio Brown met today with art Rooney then Brown's agent drew Rosenhaus joined the meeting has this dealers GM, Kevin Colbert and executive Omar Khan meeting was cordial and quote, everybody. Agreed. The trae will be the best in quoque pursers, but you just devalue the asset. So therefore, they're gonna move his own asset or the Steelers did the both. Okay. I mean, well is really. What what's going to happen here? Here's what's going to happen. The Steelers aren't gonna get maximum value for him and the team that gives up whatever they can give up for him not going. They're not mean Antonio Brown stuff. They're not gonna wanna pay him. It's rubbing off. Yes. Revenue. And I wanna pay. They're not gonna wanna pay him the type of money that he's gonna deserve and want that just not going to do. They're not gonna do it now. And they're going to they're going to try to bottom feeding watch. What I tell you what they're going to give up. They're gonna give up lower compensation and because lure compensation they're going to feel like we could afford to play games with his money. So if Brandin cooks last year got a first round draft pick okay in Brancusi's, a really good NFL wide receiver. He's in years younger. He's ten years younger. What is Tony Brown? Get. Your first round value. I it depends on what you trying to go. If you if you if you feel like you one one receiver away from making a push, then, that's what makes sense if you feel like you're you know, if you feel like it's the Arizona Cardinals. Then it's like what if you think it's like third since and we talked about Odal Beckham junior maybe going there at some point. What if it's a team like San Francisco, you assume that Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna come back and be healthy. So got your quarterback. They've drafted pretty well on the offensive line's got an offensive lie. Good Kittle is is our high level Pro Bowl player, and all of a sudden you put in Tonio Brown on that team. And now I've got another offense of threat, which makes kid'll even better. But what you're asking me to do is either give you a one in the future because I've certainly you're not getting my one that I have this is too high too high or you asking me to move down. If you're asking for one you asking me to move down get a couple of ones and give it to you. Or your ask you for my one in twenty twenty which if I feel like Antonio Brown, a playoff now that pick is twenty two playoff-caliber wire receiver there's going to get us to where we wanna go then now and pick his twenty some I may say you can have my twenty twenty wonder where Mike Tomlin comes out on this year. Brought in the fact that he deserves credit for keeping this thing in one piece for as long as he did with as many guys that have extension that. But okay is he is he in his office right now wherever he is at home seeing this story and see thinking. Okay, good fine. Let's let's move on. Ms and one of my players. Guys. They've already met in already discussed what they get ready to do Antonio. So he already knew that did this isn't like they did. That he got caught by surprise. But is he thinking on? Knows player. He knew that couple of days ago a week ago. He already knew what was gonna happen is he happy that he's moving probably he's probably relieved that he doesn't have to deal with not having Antonio having Antonio in all of the circus acts around him he's probably relieved because now I could just get back to coaching. Like, I did when I first bought, and if you are coaching is he relieved that he's not gonna have bell. And until you now you can't I think I think so because he's being with Bill before. And then one didn't make the play. They messed up saying he's wanting without Bill Super Bowl. That was a different team defensive. I understand the different team coaches. Don't think that way man, but not they don't think that INA vacuum, though key. And I understand that he's had success without these players that Levy on Belen. Antonio Brown were two of the best players on the Steelers. And now, they're gone. Yes. You're not getting you're not getting a player as good as in Tokyo Brown that spot. You're not getting a player as good as levian Bill to fill that spot juju Smith Schuster. Why do you have to change his name certainly was productive land? Art. Art argues with Antonio Brown on the field without him. However, you want to we glimpse week seventeen without him. It didn't go to all the cover to win over to him. And he didn't he had like forty two yards. I like you. He's mark. Cooper. Trying to use state trial. Make a person believe what you say just facts, man. I thought we do facts from turn acts or roge dot com. Facs both. He didn't do this. One bag game week seventeen game without Brown. That's a preview of what you're going to win the coverage. You didn't have machine of you. Shaded on Winker bet. But you so you were singled up a lot. But the juju. Dot com facts, I don't even pay to type of stuff we pay attention to he started talking nonsense. Twenty Brown turns thirty one in July. So I can get three years. I love that just seems I was saying thirty, but I realized he was actually thirty one thirty one in the summer. Kurt basketball talk. He's going to join us next. What I win sixteen thousand dollars. Could have been worse. I was out of the rooms where he picked off just pick the song Kurt. Let's go to Kurt Kurt hito. Talk. Good morning. How are you? Well, eight-man it's nice to be back in a sunny place, like southern California's colder rainier in in Charlotte than here. Or is that? Yes, right NBA all star game freezing here, though, Kurt how hurt is LeBron. And how big of a deal is it the story that we saw come out in the Joe Vardon says that the team the Lakers or quote, privately a little concerned about LeBron James health is that just we're looking for reasons why the Lakers are playing. Well, there's something there. I don't know that there's that much there. I mean, they should be a little bit concerned in the sense that he's thirty four, you know. You know? He's at one father time better than probably anyone since Korean. But father time wins the race, man. Always does. And this was the first year. He was seven it was eighteen game seventy games with that with the groin. That's those times he ever missed and there's a little concerned that those are things that winger. But I was I don't know. I heard it wasn't. They weren't that concerned in the other part of it is they know where they are in the standings. They know what's going on. They they not only need LeBron. They need the full of round the rest of the way if they're gonna make it in the playoffs. Do you think he's gonna give them a full of Brown or or we look into our next year? I think he's going to give it the full of on it for a while if they do this for while and they can't make ground. They have some ugly losses. They've got tough games on the schedule. If they don't make up the ground quickly. You know, the last ten we'll see. But I think right now, you're gonna get the push. He was talking about that all star weekend. Like, he's got to be focused on this. I think he realizes that. With the way this roster is especially you know, right now, he's just he's gotta be him. Third. He'll and pro basketball talk. Join us can find him on Twitter at basketball, talk and understand Kurt that. There are extenuating circumstances. Low lonzo's missed a ton of time. Like you mentioned LeBron missed a lot of time with that groin injury. But if the Lakers in their first year LeBron James missed the playoffs. How big of a disappointment is it? That's still a big disappointment. I guess the west is deep. Yes. There were there were injuries. But still man, I mean you. James you can't miss the playoffs with LeBron. That'd be a big thing. If you really bad thing, if your name was I dunno, Luke, Walton that would be a very bad thing for you, Kurt healing of basketball, talk pro basketball talk. That's Twitter at basketball basketball that pro basketball time trying to read the on the run down. Well, I'm not reading reading the screen. So when you when you look at when you look at the fact that lay may have, you know, there's an opportunity they could miss the playoffs how not necessarily devastating, but how would this look to LeBron's east coast? West coast legacy. Doesn't help as much, but I don't think it hurts it much LeBron's legacy is already pretty darn established. And he's going to go down as one of the all time greats to play the game. This doesn't necessarily help it. But I don't know that it hurts at that much it seen as an extenuating if if they never quite live up if he never quite lives up to it at the Lakers, never quite live up to the hope and expectations here. It'll just be seen as as a probably be seen as he couldn't quite get there at that age type of thing anymore as opposed to anything else. But I think you know, I think for the Lakers. They've obviously as an organization bet big now, right? We were developing these young guys. But now, we're ready to move them. We're ready to do all this stuff to win now with LeBron if you don't win now, then then that set back then then you've got to restart the process in a few years whenever people down the line when whenever LeBron leaves which could be like forty five because I don't you guys. Just a freak. Make of the free agent classes coming up with Katie Kawai, Tyree Kimba Klay DaMarcus Jimmy Butler. Deep. It's deep at the top. It's also it's really deep. Really good. I also think with those free agents Butler might be the exception with those other guys. It's just gonna be hard for the Lakers, by the way to get the Kemba. Kemp is a hard read. I heard rumors that he's a little frustrated that the Hornets have never done. Well, they've never had another all star on the roster while he's there, and they've you know, they will probably make the playoffs this year. They're kind of on the bubble. They've got a tough schedule the rest of the way. But they didn't do anything at the deadline butlers. A little frustrated if they get bounced in the second round, and he decides move on the Lakers could hit him. But some of those other guys stop at the list, quiet, almost quite much more likely to be a clipper, nobody thinks clay Thompsons leaving. It's going to be tough for the Lakers to land guy via free agency that they, you know, Butler might be the exception. But we're comes with his own challenges, man. Why did he feel why do you feel that would be a clipper versus being a Laker? I'm just telling you what I've heard around the league, which is that I've heard from summer league that he didn't really wanna play with Ron and being that shadow, and he's not a guy that likes drama. He's not a guy that likes a circus going on around him, which which of course, could lead us to the what why did you want out of San Antonio question? But we'll come back to that. He doesn't want that the coming to the clippers is less of that than coming to the Lakers. The Lakers are a brighter spotlight because of the brand. And obviously because LeBron so I've heard from the start that's not where he wanted to go that he was going to look at other markets current. He pro basketball talk joining us Twitter handle at basketball talk. And let's say that the Lakers come out of the break. And it's more of what we saw going into the break, and that is about five hundred basketball, and they're just kind of spinning their wheels or not making a push for that last spot in the Western Conference. Does Luke Walton make it to the end of the line? I think it makes it to the end of the line. I don't know that that he's the I don't think he's the coach next season at this point one way or another like, I don't think they've done enough right now. Rephrase it barring a LeBron James major actual endorsement behind the scenes, I don't see him being back next year. But I I at this point, what are you gaining? Honestly, I mean, what do you gain by letting him go even now, even if you did it tomorrow, what coach are you bringing in that makes them better instantly and has them winning games. And actually, if you're gonna let Luke Walton go period, we bring in it's better we bring in next summer that changes things. Somebody in the broad has a relationship. I mean, you start we, you know, when usually when players have relationship with coach that they like they feel good about they go all out for them run through a wall and get everybody else to do things for them. You got a guy on the bench and Brian Shaw. You still got Tyler out. There is Mark Jackson. It could potentially be out there. I don't know the relationship with Jason Kidd. So there are coaches that certainly want to coach LeBron James I'd be hesitant about kit. Just looking at his record looking at Milwaukee. And then looking at what happened to Milwaukee when he left, but that said the other guys on that list. I think there's some value to that. I don't know. And I think to me Keyshawn you hit it on the head. They're like, I don't know that Brian Shaw is a better coach per se than Luke Walton. I don't think Luke Walton said bad coach, I think he's like most NBA coaches. There's only a few guys that are real game changers. Most of them you give them talent they can win. But if he's got a good relationship with the Braun if LeBron trust him. That'll work. And then we saw that in Cleveland. David Blatt was trying to get him to play Sastre. And he wouldn't do it. Brought pushed back on everything David black because he didn't think just didn't click tie Lucas because you don't we're gonna we're gonna play faster Macron's. Like, yeah, we need to play faster. Okay. Fine. If you look at the games and half not have time doing time outs. He walks over to be Sean talks to be show away more than he does Luke which is strange to me. Yeah. A little bit. I think there's some guys are they go to assistance anyway. But LeBron does seem to have tighter relationship with Shaw, for whatever reason, whatever the connection there is, you know, love of Santa Barbara. I dunno whatever. They bought it. So I with you. I think Shaw could be a replacement without shaking things up internally too much without you know, if you bring in a coach from the outside, you're making a bigger culture change than than just bring the guy from the, you know from in house, Kurt yes or no makers to playoffs. Yes. They're going to need to get going. Prohaska talking. Find him on Twitter at basketball, Kurt always going to talk with you. Thank you, sir. All right. You guys agree. Are you a quick? Yes. Like Kurt was not been yesterday entire time. No, I'm I'm I don't know on the Hama. On the Hama hope. So, but I don't think so. All right. The dodgers or they still in the Bryce Harper mix. Everybody still in the Bryce Harper mix next.

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Antonio Brown's Release from the Patriots

The Business of Sports With Andrew Brandt

16:07 min | 11 months ago

Antonio Brown's Release from the Patriots

"Okay boys girls when needed emergency pod another emergency pod about the same guy did -mergency pot about two weeks ago Antonio Brown. kinda ruined my Saturday morning. They're totally let him ruin my Friday night here two weeks ago uh-huh because albeit. I'm not doing anything it is beautiful night here on the East Coast. We don't know how many more we're going to have this beautiful. September night some sitting outside. You're the Water Creek. Hear the crickets behind me can sort of listen. Maybe I'll use my meditative voice so I will be giving you this part about Antonio Brown but I'm not going to do it from inside. I'M GONNA keep enjoying mine. I got my Pino next to me so we're good okay listen. It happened two weeks ago. I didn't emergency five because the Oakland Raiders released Antonio Brown Tonight Emergency Pod New England Patriots Release Antonio Brown and really the story of same and end. The story is a team thought they could control behavior from someone who would sean behavior was an issue and they couldn't one team was led by Jon. GRUDEN and I remember so many people saying when he left he being Brown left or steelers a once it gets to Gruden GRUDEN. He'll fall in line did not happen and then of course two weeks ago or week ago. He ends up eleven days ago to be exact he ends up with with the New England patriots and the chorus was that Oh he gets to the Patriots. He'll fall in line. Everybody falls in line. Remember Corey Dillon Remember Randy Handy. Moss remember Ocho Cinco Remember Albert Hanes. Were remember all these guys at phone line and I'm just shaking my head head because we have the best indicator of future. Performance is past performance. No one denies that it's true for the stock doc market but more importantly for human behavior if you know someone who is acted a certain way for a long long time. Why do you think that person's going to change with a new boss. It just doesn't happen again. I want to don't want to sound sexist with this. How many women have been with men hoping they'll change. How many men let's make turn around have been with women hoping hoping they'll change and they don't how many people have hung with friends hoping they change and they don't and they eventually eventually don't stay friends so this is what happens you know. I don't know Antonio Brown. I've been critical. He's blocked me on twitter. I I know drew Rosenhaus very well. Drew is doing a good job trying to maintain and people criticize drew because not saying Tanto Brownwood. We need to hear or rather what he wants to hear. Well drew probably if he said Antonio Brown would he needs to be here. He'd be a not paid and be fired tired. You know it seems like browns left a trail behind him of people he's Kinda sweet talk sweet talk because of his talent because of the extraordinary ordinary sweetness when he can turn it on and then of course he burns them that seems a pattern it's been written about before and then of course the article came out this week by my colleague at the Qb Robert Clem co which detailed a pattern of all these failed relationships and of course included another sexual sexual abuse allegation which ultimately led to the downfall not because of the article but because Antonio Brown could not help himself and decided had to I don't even know instagram tax tweet about or to this woman and people around this woman and of course that got out and nothing like that was gonna stay quiet. Antonio Brown should have known that drew Rosenhaus. His advisors probably could've told him that. Maybe did tell him that but he couldn't help himself. He couldn't stop and the overriding thought again the overriding thought was two weeks ago was the Brown for for the twenty nine million dollars a guarantees and did not even earned what was allegedly signing bonus turned out to be a workout on the raiders for not even in showing up for workouts. Well we get to the New England patriots and good for him. He earned a week of salary or two weeks because it's late in the week week two or week three or maybe earn three weeks salary but lo and behold he couldn't make it to week three and guess what he may have forfeited nine million dollar signing bonus to go along with the rest of the one million dollar salary forget. What about the roster bonuses in performance incentives. He may have caught himself. Forty count them forty million dollars guarantees in a span of two weeks looks as the dogs chime in. They can't believe it either. I'm not going inside. This isn't a great night out and it's an emergency pod pod. You can take the sights and sounds with your listen. Antonio Brown here are the terms of the contract. He signed with New England patriots number. One Sonny Bono's a nine million dollars here. The payment turns two weeks from execution execution was on Monday September ninth two weeks from that it is Monday September twenty third. I am almost certain the Patriots I gotTa be certain did not pay that five nine dollars thinking they had till last moment to decide which was is to be Monday the twenty third but they don't get to the twenty third they cut did they pay it well a source told NBC no they didn't pay it. Do they have to pay it or there. We come with the lawyers and we're not even talking about doc the second installment due in January of the other four million dollars now Antonio Brown could argue again that same language George that signing bonus assigning Bona signing bonuses for quote unquote signing but the Patriots could argue you. We've got a disclosure issue here and we had a rumor last week than Antonio Brown wouldn't even have been signed by the Patriots if they knew about the sexual assault claim which I thought was her was kind of a really after the fact statement put out by the Patriots come on then why was he still on the team that so that one raise eyebrows about that but in Tokyo Brown likely does not have a five five million dollar check based on his nine dollars signing bonus. That's supposed to be due on Monday. The Patriots I'm guessing with strong sense that they are not going to pay that they're gonna find something in the language either about Faira disclose about his behavior or about bringing ill repute to the team whatever it is they can find that language to make Brown Alley Grievance to get that five million dollars and if Brown filed the grievance. That'll take for month's. Let him come after meanwhile the Patriots keep that money if of course drew and Brown were able to get better payment terms harms upon execution meaning the day he signed the contract. It'd be the Patriots coming after them for money which again good luck with that that Brown has not spent the money already so this is a royal you know what in terms of Tony Brown and again I'm trying to look at edit someone on minimum both sides of this and now getting back into the agent side. I realize how important it is to have a client like this of extraordinary talent and the only reason given three chances over the past six months or I guess one of those who was cut are never got to stay with. The steelers alerts anyone out there to you know but it becomes a point where you have to wonder. What are you really doing for the client and I I. I think it's really tough in the agent business when you get players like this because his I just referenced before they are used stroked because of their extraordinary talent because people are willing to do things for him because the Greytown it goes greater tolerance and so the question Russian becomes since they're so used to being stroked. How do you tell them no. How do you tell them. No you gotta get on the straight narrow here. I don't know if there was some Juan Antonio Brown's ear saying you know you cannot do anything right now. Because it'll come back all he had to do with stay quiet art. Stay on the straight and narrow for two weeks until Monday night or Tuesday. Because then the bonus money would be do and then the patriots would be in breach. They didn't pay it. I mean that's only had to do then. He'd get the five million once they paid him five million they weren't gonna cut them and then he get the next four mine and getting to get the million salary and each down the team and you'd be invested think about Antonio Brown's life now. He's got all kinds of debts. He made little to no money this year. Despite sunny huge contracts he has three teams telling sailing speaking out to the League. Don't mess with this guy three teams that are respected around the league. Yes gruden mayock respected steelers dealers and patriots so he's got no shot you know maybe if the smoke clears in a month or so someone brings him in on a minimum contract but now he's home and now he's got all his kids and he's got all his issues and he's got everyone pointing the finger at him and and Druze moving onto other things and trainers getting paid and traders coming around and yeah feel for the Guy I know people are saying you feel for Antonio only abroad yeah. I mean the music's GonNa Stop Pretty Quick here so we've got an issue here with Antonio Brown. I think this is a conservative. Excuse me a concern and I hope he's okay and I hope he's got people around them. Whether that's one of the mothers of his kids girlfriend wife wife friend close friend brother sibling that can just sort of have his back you know not no business way but really have is back because think when Antonio Brown's life is can be like now no structure no team no paycheck not good as I said drew as brother Jason Rosenhaus good on them. They got other things to do. we'll see you know we will see what goes on here the other parts that can save Antonio Brown the the wake that he's left behind. I've I've talked about this before but it's important to document here. We've got twenty one dead charge money charge to the Pittsburgh steelers. They're playing with a half a deck this year not half but a smaller deck than other teams because they took the bold and unprecedented step of releasing Antonio Brown. I'm sorry trading him and taking on an extraordinary captured twenty one million dollars. Brown leaves that in his wake in Oakland leaves in his wake the loss of two draft choices a third round pick fifth round pick thankfully for the raiders no money loss just per diem training camp one of the more under reported stories in the history of the business of football that they allegedly signed Antonio Brown of the biggest contract a wide receiver ever signed and got out of it paying zero point zero zero of that contract amazing and then of course a New England three weeks salary. Whatever happens to this bonus yes. We're GONNA have some litigation. If Brown pursues it we talked about Brown may be pursuing litigation against the Oakland raiders in my sense was a hillary that behind nineties just happened to get to New England now that he's out in New England of money will he come after New England. Will he come after Oakland that they could somehow get out of twenty nine million and believe it or not that was only two weeks ago. There's no statute of limitations on this. If there was Jesus that was two weeks ago so what a what a late summer it's been for Antonio Brown off season and now he'll fade from view except for whatever disciplined comes from the commissioner. There'll be an investigation you know he'll be toxic for other teams to sign teams will be calling the Commissioner's office if we do sign him as Ziani exemplified and they'll have to deal with whatever repercussions come from that but for now Antonio Brown is a man without a team came a man largely without a paycheck for the entire off season and maybe facing loss of twenty nine million in guarantees in in Oakland and ten million in guarantees New England forty nine guarantees would have been life changing wealth is not entitled to through actions that really preventable able so listen. I'm not piling on. I'm trying to sort of speak from a business perspective. I said at the time and I tweeted it almost every day in a wrote about it at the M. Qb. We had to irresistible forces at work here one past behaviors the best predictor of future behavior to to the ballot check in the Patriots. Get everyone to fall in line. I said all along one of those things will not be true and and that was number two and number one worn out. I said I was betting on number one and number one he could not help himself to to go back to behavior that had been befitting of him even in this precarious spot with the Patriots who did not want the drama but they took him on anyway anyway. They thought they could control the drama. Jon Gruden thought it could control the drama the best person who controlled the drama Mike Tomlin Kudos to him and everyone. Everyone knows wow respect for what he did in controlling the drama largely out of you for so many years in Pittsburgh all right that's my emergency pot on Antonio Brown my second emergency Pablo Antonio Brown in two weeks might who knows how many podcasts this summer dealing with them. Tony Brown and I think he'll be quiet for a while. We'll be quiet about him. I'll talk to you soon. Business Sports podcast Andrew Brandt signing off with with the sounds of summer behind me

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