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Hour 1: Fire Sale

Izzy and Spain

32:02 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Fire Sale

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. We have a World Series champion. We have a dynasty. We have a sports city that is just absolutely celebrating yet again. But sarahspain. No, no, no, no. We're not talking about that to start with. No, we're not getting any of the joy of title town to start with. We're starting with the the the franchise and maybe in all of sports, it's in the exact opposite directions benefits on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz hanging out with you for the next three hours and Sarah. We don't open tonight with the best of the best. We opened tonight's with the worst of the worst is the Browns have fired head coach Hugh Jackson and and offense coordinator Todd Haley. That's where we all right now. Yeah. You know, we are going to talk about the red socks, of course in their gigantic World Series win. But it just seemed redundant to continue to celebrate. When we could instead be going to the pit of despair and set. Pulling into the Google with everybody in Cleveland. They're watching two of their coaches get fired well three if you count Haley, so three coaches in the last couple of days in Cleveland. So and it is fascinating. Because that's what we're hearing out of. That is not just listen Hugh Jackson's record has been terrible. And we expected a bit more development this year. It sounds to be more about the culture and about not wanting their guy. Baker Mayfield the future of the franchise to be brought down by whatever was going on between those guys or between him, and the coaches the interesting part of that is I've been saying for months, what's he gonna take right after going one thirty one over the last two seasons. I've constantly been saying what's it gonna take? And frankly, I thought over the summer, and we talked about it over the summer. So many NFL experts were just too high on the Browns to begin with. And I think the liability around the Browns has been Hugh Jackson. I'm not surprised Hugh Jackson's been fire just apprised by the timing. After you go one in thirty one. So. What you're two five and one right now you've actually looked competitive. So I guess the answer to what's it gonna take is is going to take a player you really care about. Because that's what this has to be about. This has to be about the development of of Baker Mayfield. That's the only reason I can excuse it. I don't think it's the only reason I absolutely think it's the number one reason. But what you said is important when this team started off with a tie, which sadly was their best darned forever, and they won their first game on a Sunday and over a thousand days, and they showed signs of taking steps forward. Our own Izzy Gutierrez on around the horn a couple of weeks ago said he wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns and up with nine or ten wins cocaine heels now I'm not trying to call up is for terrible take even though at the time on the show. I said that the terrible take the point is people's expectations went so far up when they watch what Baker Mayfield seems to have an when they saw the beginning of this season a competitive team to five and one is not good. Enough. Even if you were used to being bad they wanted steps forward and so- combine that with wanting to not waste Baker Mayfield. And I'm not surprised they decided to make this move. Also, the timing. Of course, we know that this seems to be the thing that they do the this is the sixth coach that the Browns fired the week after their second game against the Steelers that year off as that stat is, but it was like you could have seen it coming. I guess to me you could have seen it coming was always the answer. And when I was on I take to summer there were a lot of arguments about in Daime would he was one? That was. Yeah, I think the the Browns are eight win football team in a playoff caliber football team. I'm going to go back to I'm waiting for me culpa from the organization because to me when you've got a coach that's gone one in thirty one over the last two years a coach that has no proven track record of absolute success. Why he wasn't already fired? Why you thought it was even a good idea to keep this coach in a situation where he could bring in a coordinator or to let them develop the. The first overall pick it it felt like a bad idea to me from the Geico. And there has to be some level of this of what the heck did they think was really going to happen? You're right. They were looking for a step forward. I just don't know why they thought they were ever going to get it now. Well, and interestingly enough, it's part of acknowledging that they believed in him, despite the results is sort of them saying he doesn't have anything to work with and whose fault is that the management, right? So usually the cover up is the coaches that fault for this. We've given enough that was them saying we haven't given them anything. Now that we have let's see what he does. And the difference wasn't enough. Now Ryan Clark was on sports with has storm Jay Harris and was talking about the Browns. And the problem that I have a Browns fan is good. We're moving on Ono the same people are still in charge. I think when you get a new GM, you get new exist. They want to bring in their own guys. And so you watch this season. This team looked promising very early on in the season. I think they wanted to see progress. They wanted to see this team continued to compete. They wanted to see. Baker Mayfield in this offense, get better, and they have. And then you watch all the off the field stuff when every press conference he has to answer questions about Todd Haley, you can see the friction on the staff, and I think he got to be a little bit too much, sir. A think about that. And I get that they wanna bring their own people in. But it some point I have to ask why now with the change too. Because when you think about what they're trying to accomplish if they wanna bring their own people in that's fine. But they're now bringing up there promoting a running backs coach that Han Todd Haley handpicked to be the running backs coach that his never called an offense play in his career. He's never been an offensive coordinator. So you're putting the top overall pick in with with the offense of quarter coordinator, that's never been one. And you're putting yourself in a situation where Baker Mayfield now going into next year is likely going to have his third head coach his third offensive system to learn in twelve months, how does that give any level of ability for success for long-term? Yeah. And interestingly enough to when they got rid of Hugh Jackson. I thought. All right. That's not a big surprise. You saw sort of saw this coming and the tension that was alleged to be occurring between him and Todd Haley made you think all right. So maybe they'll elevate Todd Haley, and instead they get rid of Haley and Haley's the guy that you would expect. Okay. He's got that experience that you're looking for in terms of play calling and and to be a sustaining presence for Baker Mayfield in the rest of the team to carry over from that regime. Instead like, you said they bring in or the elevated guy who doesn't have that experience. So that points to mean, my opinion that there is much more of that internal discord than just we didn't think they were winning enough. John Dorsey the GM in his presser today. Boy, did it make it clear that this is not just about Xs and os and wins and losses. This is about culture. Part of the reason you're here today is because of internal discord in the past. How do you clean that up tree people who want to be treated come into work every day willing, the work? Love what you do pick ownership in what you're doing come to work, everyday and treat people the way we treat it like making strides in that area this year. I think there are a lot of good people in this organization that really want to win. I mean, there really are. And there's good guys in that locker room. You can feel it you can feel when you walk in here. And it's a good thing. Okay. He's using words, very carefully. He said twice treat people the way you want to be treated, and that leads me to believe that that was not happening with some of the people that are gone now, especially with Todd Haley having pass reputation as being prickly to work with for Big Ben for all those years and before that he was prickly to work with as the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. There is a Todd Haley reputation piece to this. And there is some sort of a power piece to this for Hugh Jackson. I wonder how much you Jackson actually regrets at this point having anything to do with hard knocks because how much how much of we got a peek behind the curtain of something we didn't necessarily want to see. And now the narrative moves it forward. You're right. John Dorsey was not the those were carefully selected words, and we didn't hear him. Speaking about needing to just get better results or better development. We hear him speaking about needing to create a better environment. And that's that. That's that's a stunning piece for me to hear. And again, that's something. I think that they should have had their eyeballs on in the years on and the organization ownership particularly since Dorsey came in. This year ownership should have had a better sense of Hugh Jackson, the person and what they thought of him as a coach for that environment to allow this come unto the season. It's Spain fit Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz with you on the heels of Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley getting fired by the Browns worth noting to NFL networks in Rappaport, telling the fan ninety two three the fan from one I hear Baker Mayfield is not going to exactly miss Hugh Jackson. So when we're combining that Jackson endorsed, these seem to have some issues with the idea of how are you're developing this young guy, this this makes it very clear that this wasn't just about ws and in his presser John Dorsey, both he and owner Jimmy house kind of chimed in on something that they seem to very sensitive about in Baker Mayfield. You're going to take your shots in the NFL, and he's taking a few of them. So we have to do we have to go back. Again, the coaches have to understand why don't we take an all-day shots. And we just gotta learn from that and develop a plan to make sure he doesn't get hit as much. Better job of protecting biker and put them better position to win. We understand that. I mean that is he got it guys that is strong. And you've got a coach it up better is what they're saying. I mean that is still there the offensive line code. You figure that out as envoy Gavin loved playing football. He lived and breathed it wanted to go clo- when he'd spent hours upon hours just practicing his touchdown dances at one day while getting fitted for bifocals, he realized he was never much good at throwing or running or catching nor even kicking. Yeah. Gavin's chances of playing football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save. Then he did kind of a touchdown dense. At least he was still good at that. Spain and Fitz. I mean, I'm in. I'm going to be on. Can we have a little confessional here? So Friday night Friday night and went in a sat in with my buddy. Phil Vassar, plates music went hung out. With my buddy might go junior afterwards. We went to a bar in west Hartford. We were out very late, and we were drinking way too, much, and it won't point. We looked up. And we realized it was one thirty in the morning and as drunk as we were that was actual live baseball going on. Doodling on the Red Sox. Dodgers gave us a history. Will remember it as a four one series win? But they gave us incredible baseball incredible games along the way and you really enjoyable World Series to watch even even for non baseball guys. Like me, I couldn't take my off of any of them. I agree with that somewhat. They were certainly enough dramatic, storylines narratives and questions and decisions. And and a ton of interesting stuff. But in overall to me, it wasn't the best because I think it was clear throughout the Red Sox were better team. And that they were going to win. I don't think I need to Pat myself on the back that much in saying that I called the Red Sox winning every series in the postseason and the World Series in five at the best. The best team in baseball. That's why I'm saying myself on the back that much because it's not that far out on a limb except to say that almost everybody that I saw Romney was picking the Astros in that series against the Red Sox because that was a great team too. I just I think more so than anything. What was interesting was the dynamics of this particular team how much they want in the regular season. And the fact that Pearson's up being the World Series MVP a crazy unbelievable story you've got a World Series roster with only one player remaining that just wanted in two thousand thirteen have that much turnover. But to have the franchise be able to rebuild and create another champion potentially the greatest team in history. That franchise that to me, it was more interesting to see how the Red Sox would do it. Then it was the you know, beating up as they did dodgers. I wanna give greenie a little credit as always greenie does spectacular work. And he went to Twitter a few hours Yonsei. Congratulations to the Red Sox were the best team in baseball from start to finish. All we did myself. Included was questioned them. And all they did was win. And I think that's one of the things that will stand out to a lot of people as they look back on this particular baseball season as a whole not sure we appreciated how good the Red Sox were throughout the entirety of the year to your point. I just don't know. Why I you're right. I said people just got bored and used to it. It's not as interesting to say every week while the Red Sox are gonna win. It all see trying to find ways to pick apart at it. And they they were too good for that to be a reasonable analysis of the team. And you look realistically at what you mentioned before the Astros team. A lot of people had a love for and the Yankees and everybody could looking for some reason why the Red Sox weren't going to be the best team in baseball. I think part of it is also looked so easy so often for them, and we even talked to going into the weekend. What was David price going to be like because what was so much of what we heard from David price felt like it was this low key version of David price. And it's like are you good with that? Does he need to have edge? Does he need to have some extra x factor? And instead he went out on the mound, and look home cool collected and really controls the narrative now, and I think that's one of the most interesting parts of what happened in this series. Win is the David price took whatever, you know, whatever monkey might be on his back and threw it away completely. And basically said no this this is where we are now with an incredible performance yet. If people are interested in the sort of pun intended, inside baseball of what David price did midseason to change the way, he performed in the postseason. Jessica Mendoza's analysis on Golic and wingo. This morning was really telling because he literally looked back at and not only the monkey on his back of having to carry the pressure of the failures from before. But understanding why those failures occurred and changing it and he was using a pitch that he almost never used during the regular season. And he was finding movement on it in a way that he hadn't been able to get before. You know, you hear Jessica Mendoza talking about it. It's not something that normally happens midway through season, especially for a guy that has as much success as price has in the regular season. But he realizes that he needed to change something and he did. And you're right now, he as he said, he's got all the cards, and he can't use the Trump card on him anymore that he fails in the postseason and also respect to Alex Cora for being a guy after that. Terrible start against the Yankees who believed in him enough to say, you know, ten times the charm. Right. And that's when he started to turn it around. Well, and I heard I think it was Trey wingo this morning, I'll go coming up that said he loved the way he even in David prices delivery of the message. You just mentioned like I hold the cards. Now, there was just such a a confidence in a calmness to it. Wasn't mean. A right was things have changed. And I feel good about it. But it sort of personified the Red Sox to me this year like it confident quiet and just sort of there in comfortable with domination. Right. And that's what I continually look back at this. That really stands out to me is how easy they made. It look weakened weak out throughout the course of the season. Now, it does raise a question of what it's like to be right now if you're sixteen seventeen year old kid from Boston you've had sort of the luxury, right? You've had the the life that that I will never know there is a as a raiders fan. I'll never know what it's like to just see championship after championship. Anything that's fat. I'm Tara rebel posted. A great info. Graphic sixteen year old Boston sports fan. Born in January vote to has been alive for these championships. Two pats four pats four socks five pats seven socks oh. Eight Celtics eleven Bruins thirteen SOX. Fifteen Pat seventeen pats eighteen sucks, and there's a very good chance. The pats could be an it again. And that the Celtics could be representing the east in the in the NBA finals. So there could be more where that comes from. And so this morning as they were talking about some of the twists and turns at the Red Sox took including Pierce being an MVP. This was this is what our buddy golick junior had to say about the Red Sox. Screw these guys, man. Like seriously, you get that on top of all of those guys come at junior. Sen. screw these guys. Oh, that's how a lot of us feel right? And it's just jealousy. It's it's flat out jealousy that they've had so many titles. But it had me thinking if we think that the Red Sox Boston New England nation has had just about enough then who's the most deserving to have a run like them what sad sack city, not a team an area or city. What's sad sack city is most deserving not not the nearest tube. Because sadly, I don't think the ones that deserve moats are the closest to getting it. Yeah. Which one is most deserving of having a run Spain and Fitz while asking for a little patience with the Browns. That's what we're doing here Spain and fits more on ESPN radio. The ESPN avid Sirius XM channel eighty Mike coming in strong with that sarahspain Jason Fitz with you. Don't forget patriots. And bills are coming up on ESPN's Monday night football at eight fifteen eastern. You just heard it in these sportscenter updates New England Patriots wide receiver. Josh Gordon is expected to be kept off the field for about a quarter in the game against the bills because of tardiness as reported by the NFL network. We'll keep you updated on the game as it kicks off his radio presented by progressive insurance. But we're going to go to the shell Pennzoil performance line where ESPN NFL nation Brown's reporter, Pat mcmanamon joins us. We appreciate the time. I know it's a crazy day you sit on Twitter the Browns set a lot in a few words in your mind. What message were they sending with the firings keyword Jason that I took with? Jimmy has limb said they were not going that the message today they are not going to deal with quote, internal discord end quote. Another Stewart's near the bottom line. They felt that you tax it at that were were not working together. Or not collaborating like they should. And instead of you know, working together to better team and develop a young quarterback. They were kind of interested in their own turf. A little bit those are my words my interpretation. I think that they also said that they put themselves in better position than they were in a day ago. And clearly by saying that when you get rid of those guys you're kinda pointing a finger and saying, that's the reason we had to make the moose. He had that was the most interesting part to me of both of those guys talking was the very deliberate. Use of words that we're not about Xs and os and ws and als but more about. Specifically saying we need to treat each other the way we would wanna be treated. And so that t you is the reason why they decided to get rid of both of those guys because somewhat of said oh Haley would be the obvious choice to elevate. And keep some kind of you know. You know, what sort I'm looking for consistency with the in room coach. I agree with you there. I think that that you can move caught us by surprise because it didn't seem like after the game last night. It was imminent. But you know, the way things were going you knew the possibility all he's listed. I think the daily move shocked everybody here he was seen as a likely interim coach candidate, I just feel like, you know, I don't know. I can't tell you who started the problems or the details behind him. I do know that you know, he Jackson was debating firing Todd Haley and was gonna see what he can do about that. And I think if you're a team struggling with a rookie quarterback, especially the first overall pick you want everybody on the same page. You don't need that internal drama. I think that's they decided so the way they look at it in terms of continuity, and I, you know, I in my opinion, it's a stretch, Freddie, kitchens work with Todd Haley before and Arizona, they're going to keep the same system the same place and they're going to promote him to offend a coordinator and let him call the plays. But the he has never done that in the NFL. The only time he did was in the fourth preseason game for the Browns this season. And you know, you you can do a nice job in that game. But that's all about evaluating the bottom of your office. That's not about trying to beat the Kansas City. Chiefs who are coming to Cleveland on Sunday. We're talking to ESPN NFL nation Brown's reported Pat mcmanamon on the shell Pennzoil performance line. What kind of affect Ken Greg Williams have on this team? That's not a good question. It certainly it'll be a different style than you checks and much more chummy with players. He would kind of chat with them on a on a friendly basis. He wasn't real disciplinarian. I think that Greg Williams will definitely bring a little more fire. A little more pointed emphasis than pointed talk to to practice and two meeting rooms, I think that that's going to change the tone. It was interesting to see him elevated. I I don't think that was another surprise, basically. And we kind of well a lot of us in the media here thought because of his suspension in two thousand twelve at that would maybe eliminate him. But he's going to have a different style. He's going to have a different emphasis. There were a lot of mental errors with the Browns or a lot of penalties. Those kinds of things that he will make the pointed emphasis to try to avoid in the future. Talking to NFL nation Brown's reporter, Pat mcmanamon you can follow him on Twitter. At Pat mcmanamon, Ian Rapoport reporting that Baker Mayfield won't exactly miss Hugh Jackson, head you heard before this much about that relationship, and maybe something going wrong there. Well, I think he was caught in the middle. I think that when you're young quarterback you've been dealing with a coordinator from OTA's right through preseason right through you know, and training camp. And then early part of the season that that's your guy. And that's the guy you rely on and deal with and then when and Hughes his speech and his his whole emphasis after the Tampa Bay lost that he had to go in and help the off. And I think that ruffled a lot of feathers, and it raised a lot of eyebrows. And I think that one when he said also I'm the head coach period. I think that internally with the Browns that was not something that went over real. Well, so you got a young quarterback who's worked with a Todd Haley who had credibility and a resume and you've doing that all all along. I think what when Haley's approach is starting to be up ended does the corner. Becky might wonder what's going on. Now, I will say that, you know, in my interpretation some of the things you might have wanted to do would be to play faster with with Mayfield the way he played in college and maybe go quicker throws quicker place. Maybe thrown couple read options here and there. And there was also an emphasis from the head coach to get Nick chub and Duke John for more involved. And that was just something that you know, every week he seemed to say it, but it never really happened. So there was a lot going on here back and forth. And I think a lot of it was caused and I don't think we should ever underestimate this. When when it coach goes, oh and sixteen and one in thirty one any problems the next season are gonna be magnified. I just bring incredible pressure to that coach. So I think a lot of the problems that were happening were caused by the pressure that you Jacksonville to try to erase that stigma from his resume. So Pat, given the fact that ownership didn't already make the change going into the season. They allowed a one in thirty one coach to stay given the fact that John Dorsey has a great reputation around the NFL, and that people think the Baker Mayfield maybe a future quarterback that can be a star. Is it actually easy to make the argument that this is an appealing job to coaching candidate? I think at the very appealing up. I think that you know, there are a lot of path hired here in Cleveland where the job wasn't appealing, and they had problems finding people to take the job. Because of that reason you got a lot of things in place. Now that are good. You have a young quarterback who looks good. You have to young running back through are good. You have a Jarvis Landry who signed up for a few years. You have to really good defense events. Really good defensive tackle. They have a good young quarterback award forfeit over all pick in the draft. You got a lot of cap room. You can improve the team in the off season. You should have stability. You should be able to come in. And and believe you're going to get a few years, although that seems to always blow up in Cleveland, and you also have John Dorsey if you believe in his style of being GM and his ability to acquire talent with Alonzo Highsmith and Elliott Wolff, you gotta feel you're stepping into a pretty good job here. I would think it'd be a very attractive Trump. Well, you guys can follow him at pacman Pat mcmanamon to keep up with all of the accident as it goes down. Pat. We really appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us. Always fun. Thank you SPN NFL nation Brown's reporter, Pat mcmanamon follow him on Twitter is doing a great job of reporting. All this as it goes down. Don't forget you can get triple action protection for optimal engine performance with shell v. Power nitro plus premium gasoline straight ahead. Boston is officially titled down. Right. That's done. Spain and Fitz partying all night long. But he texts me and said his son is seven years old patriots fan every year of his life. His favorite team is gone to the AFC championship game. I don't even know how to process that Spain Vince on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz hanging out with your triple eight say ESPN, eight seven to nine three seven seven six let let stress this here. What we're looking for our impassioned pleas for why a particular city should be the next city to get a Boston like run. There's got to be a city out there that you're looking at. And you know, they just deserve it. Like there are certain same. We're getting. A lot of tweets on this to there's certain cities look at and you say, you know, what I just feel bad for him. Like, I'm in. We want them to go on some spectacular run. That's over looking for or do you have any like one off Twitter? That is a good example. Okay. From Kevin almost Dr K E G, Detroit because the two best owners in our cities history died Bill Elhage and Ersoy Mike Illitch and Bill Davidson, the lions have never been to a Super Bowl the new arenas empty because our teams stink. And you can't drink some of the water in our neighboring communities. I see they deserve a ruin also somebody tweeted us a reminder that lines went Owen sixteen one year. The Tigers went forty three in one hundred and nineteen both historically the worst in the history of their sport. When you survived a couple of those worsts, they deserve a run like a fifteen year run with a bunch of championships. This guy is pleading for New York, minus the Yankees because he's a mad. Spanning says Thomas Galvin the Knicks haven't won since seventy three when the NBA only had four teams. The Rangers haven't won since ninety four. No video game sense has been good as any chill ninety four. The mets. How lost money to Bernie made off and Bobby Baena, and they have to show at the same time with the Yankees. Well, if you're a sixteen year old kid that's grown up around. You're not a baseball fan, and you've grown up in New York. You're sixteen years old Yemen seen a lot of good a lot of good. It's been difficult. Let's let's try Greg in DC, Greg. Give us your impassioned plea. The Washington with the Washington nationals of the wizards the mystics, the BBC United soccer team, the cities of vested so much money and all these teams, and they all pretty much suck. I mean even this year. The Redskins deleting division that no one picks us the win. I mean like so much money put into the Redskins. The capital is luckily got one I mean, and they barely with a favorite this. We're just cutting Greg off there because so listen I wanna cut Greg off because the capitals did just win. And I think they're still drinking. So I don't even think they're done. Celebrate that being said when you get a little taste from one of your teams. It does make you more more annoyed and frustrated with the many many many years that it has been for all the other ones will I it's always a bone of contention for me, you know, a lot of my friends growing up in the high school years when I was right outside a DC. A lot of my friends have grown up as Redskins. Fans in in DC fans. Always talk about how difficult it is to be a DC sports fan because all they ever do is make the playoffs and don't win a Super Bowl. So it's hard for me to really have a ton of like sympathy for that. That city doesn't need a run. Plus, you're in DC, which is a pretty cool city. There's a lot of great things to do. Good restaurants lot. See the history. Is there a lot of good in that city? Sarah. I take Detroit over DC for next. Listen and no self respecting sports fan is going to accept. There's a lot of good restaurants in museums there as a reason to be okay with their teams. No, okay. But, but if I'm talking about a city I wanna root for to go on a run. San Diego's never on that list. Sandiego is San Diego tomorrow. Let's try Travis in Texas Travis. What do you got? Hey, man. I gotta go with my hometown Houston. I mean, I know we got a couple of inches for rockets in the nineties when I was a kid, and we're having some great great epoch amazing play by the Astros right now. But man, Houston, Texas is about as football central because you can get as close as the Oilers com, all the the pratfalls stumbles and everything that's befallen. The texans. You know, it'd be coaching and bad quarterbacks offense of lines. What have you? I think we're we're do. And I and I think we deserve it. Thanks travis. Sara where are you on cities? That are just because he's right. I mean, you're talking about a football city right to just doesn't have the football. Maybe Houston goes on a run. Well, this point is back to where we were with DC, right? If you're living somewhere like say buffalo, you're not really feeling sorry for Houston because their football team has. Isn't showed up because at least they just got baseball. So it depends on whether we're allowing for the fact that you get a little taste of the good stuff. And it makes you want it even more because when you've been in a drought as long as maybe say buffalo, then you're you don't even remember it's sort of like sex fits, right? If if you go long enough, you barely remember when it was like that do have it. Tyrone and the Virgin Islands. I'm just going to strengthen call around. All right. What do you got may complete? I know Syria is going to agree with me, Chicago. I'm a diehard Chicago Bulls and bulls rugs through my my blood and eighty baby so them to today know that Jordan era and all that stuff and the decision making that they've been doing has been poor. They got rid of rose way too late, and we just need a whole change of regime mean AM's all of them need to go. Well, I feel you Tyrone in the Virgin Islands. And I also think the same goes for the bears the bears in the bulls are the two teams that now it's been an even longer for the bear since eighty five eighty six in that team was so super human and bigger than larger than life than we still hear about them all the time. So it would be nice to have a win since. Then since I wasn't old enough to even appreciate that one. It's hard to be greedy about the bowls because we had the greatest of all time, and we had a hell of a run. But it does make the hangover last even longer to look at management and wonder if you ever going to get back there. It does hurt to be one of those teams that has such great history. And now be able to back it out getting a ton of tweets, by the way from Minneapolis Minneapolis is a very popular vote on this Minnesota of a popular vote on this on this links titles. WNBA fans are happy. But other than that. I think they do have a case to make an and the other thing that I'm seeing a lot of is candidate. We're getting a lot of representation for Toronto. And Montreal both is great hockey towns Toronto, specifically is great hockey town and a great baseball city and just hasn't been able to get sort of the them and able to go on a run I love a nephew Oregon from Toronto. What if I can't get through the words? I'm a Toronto Maple Leafs fan without breaking into tears. Not calling because we wouldn't be able to get through. But the. Buki taking your tweets, by the way at sarahspain at taste fits at Spain. Fits let us know. What city just deserves to go on a run? It's their time. You look over you say, you know, what I want you guys does this kid allies little run of championships. We'll keep reading some tweets as the show goes on. Obviously, you guys have got some great suggestions. But I am still stunned by some of you that have recent cities that have won championships. And you still think it's your time.

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Browns Fire Hue Jackson & Todd Haley, Fitzpatrick Is Back Again, & The Giants Keep Losing | NFL Podcast with Albert Breer

"On July fourth two thousand nine former NFL quarterback Steve McNair in his mistress Jenny Kazimi were found dead in a Nashville conduct. The police included the Jennie had killed McNair in a murder suicide, but was at the whole truth. The genyk is aiming really kill Steve McNair. I said there's no way that Ginny would pull that off from Sports Illustrated fall of titan available now subscribe on apple podcasts or every get your shows. Hey guys this hour. We're going to kick things off here by breaking down the Browns big Monday. Then Connor j comment to go through all the news. And as always we wrap up, the six pack questions, plus. Hi, welcome in week. Eight is in the books as the QB podcast with Alber prayer. And we're gonna kick things off here with the big news of the week which without question is the shakeup in Cleveland head coach Jackson gone offensive coordinator, Todd Haley, and there's a there's plenty of blame to go along go around you can blame Hugh for thinking that it would work with Todd Haley for hiring Todd Haley and for handling the situation in staff the way that he has plagued plane Todd Haley for being difficult to get along with you blame John Dorsey for signing off on all of this. But to me, I think the finger here has to be pointed at the very top of the organization straight at Jimmy has them. And the reason why. This isn't the first time the Browns have been down this road. In fact, this is exactly the issue. They've had since Jimmy has got the team. And the problem was what what what happened in Cleveland over the last few weeks is that it was so foreseeable. In fact, if you want to go back and look at it go back to two thousand and thirteen Jimmy has lem hires. Joe banner hires Michael Mbarga, if you talked to anybody in the league back, then they would have told you that was not gonna work. There was going to be personality conflict a year later that thing blew up. Just like so many people predicted it would. His next hires GM farmer head coach Mike Patton, two guys who didn't know each other two guys who from a personality standpoint didn't really mesh and before too long. There are problems there too. Then he hires Hugh Jackson and Sashi Brown two guys with such different backgrounds. And the whole thing we were sold on was there's going to be checks and balances here, and there's going to be an old school per share a new school there, and it's all going to work together. And guess what before you know, it? Fingers are being pointed again. And then most recently in January. I can't tell you. How many people? Looked at the marriage of Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley and said to me how is that gonna work? And so I think it's very easy to point fingers in this case again, there's a lot of blame to go around. But I'm pointing my finger at the owner because this has been a blind spot for Jimmy has lem is he's matching the wrong people together and not only are there warning signs internally. But if you look at cross the league, I like the bad relationships have taken so many organizations down Indianapolis Ryan Grigson Chuck Pagano. San Francisco Tremp alc- and Jim Harbaugh, Los Angeles less need, and Jeff Fisher, we've seen so many organizations. Get into just. Terrible rut because one side of the organization of the football operation isn't getting along with another side of the football operation, and I'm bringing Jenny Connor now. He's making the same estate over and over and over again, I think he's got potentials and owner to from a business standpoint they've done a good job. Like, if you talk to people in the room, they say Jimmy's made a real effort to be involved in the league level. But God, I mean, it's the same thing over and over and over again, and they wonder whether a circus, and you see Jimmy sitting up there and saying we're not gonna put up with internal discord, you invite it you invited it. And it was just I mean to me like, look I like both you and Haley like personally like I. But like, I think anybody who couldn't see that coming just wasn't looking. I think he set up the dynamic too. You know, when he obviously Jackson's how she Brown didn't get along. But then, you know, bring John Dorsey into, you know, a make use of the draft capital that they had accumulated. But then you're pairing first-year geom- with head coach he didn't pick who was already on thin ice having gone one and thirty one in the first two year. So you're already setting up a situation to where there's you know, everyone's on sort of different pages there. And so, you know, Jackson's in a situation where it, you know, his relationship with Haley is even more, you know, potential for fracture because he Jackson's fighting for his job, right? Whereas if he were a first year head coach that pressure wasn't exactly there. So I think has has been in this thing where he you know, he's gotten this reputation of being trigger happy and cycling through and continually hitting the restart button. But then he said, okay, let me try to give Jackson one more year because he's he, you know, saw slur this here he was at the helm during this rebuild period. And then he essentially set up another situation where that there was going to be internal discord because he endorsed weren't you know, they weren't brought in at the same time, and they weren't on the same page. Connor. Can you imagine like being John Dorsey right now, and you spent all those years in Green Bay, right? Like working. Under Mike Holmgren and then working under Mike McCarthy and Mike Sherman. And then you go to Kansas City with Andy Reid, and you're there with Andy Reid. Can you imagine being John Dorsey like coming out of those two situations, and then landing in this? What the hell is. I honestly think and this is why I don't totally blame has them here. But I honestly think he's in the best position. And I don't think that he is worried or concerned at all. Because if you watched that press conference yesterday has loan in every other reporter in there anyone with any sort of sway that could affect the organization treated him linked the only adult in the room and everybody's treating him like the in the room. He's he's got it going forward. He's got the power. Because clearly I think what has them is realizing, and you know, I think that you saw in the line of questioning a little bit yesterday is that he knows his limitations now. This was a mistake, you know, and he sort of waffled too much between, you know, making that quick trigger. And then also trying to be pragmatic with the wrong guy. You know, I think Hugh Jackson. Was the guy who deserves the quick trigger instead of keeping them for an extra year. I think if you if he had followed the team close enough he Jackson is exhibiting signs of a coach that probably couldn't lead that building. Probably couldn't, you know be a unifier on the staff, and this was a year ago this is years ago. And so I think that you saw sort of an unofficial baton passing. At least in my is that you know, he's he's handing it to door. She said, you know, what? I mean, you're the one guy that's nailed all your job responsibilities. So far the quarterbacks good the Cornerbacks. Great. You know, everything's good that you've done here. So far, the free free agents wanna come here, at least, you know, you have some ability to recruit. So, you know, I think that I think he's a great spot. I mean, I think he's only got it doesn't have to worry about going. No. I mean, I think like I think door, she's look I think doors on very solid ground now, and they get a little bit of a head start like they weren't gonna they they didn't concede. This like we're gonna spend the next two months looking for our next, but bological? You have to think that the process begins now and you put together a list yesterday. Is there someone you think that they should take a hard look at? I think just when when putting the list together, I think that I think this is what a lot of people say, I think this is going to be one of the most unorthodox coaching carousels that we've seen in recent memory. You know, even at the beginning of the year. You know, we were saying that owners are obsessed with whatever's working in the NFL right now, and what's working in the NFL right now sort of these dominant offenses these kind of rocket fuel college concepts. And that means that you know, I think that the whatever the stink from the chip Kelly air has kind of worn off a little bit. A lot of teams are still doing stuff that chip did in the NFL. There was some stuff that worked there. And so I think that this is going to involve a heavy amount of of legwork on there. And because it's not just the ten coordinators that everyone's looking at at the end of the year and saying well could be this guy this guy like you. You had brought up, you know, MAC Hamble from Iowa State Lincoln Riley. There's gonna be guys that you know, that aren't sort of. I'm in the norm. And I think that that the it's a necessity to to extend the coaching search a little bit. Yeah. I also think that you know, they're not necessarily looking for every person that can do every aspect of the ball. Right. Like, you know in Sean McVay is a great leader for that team. Right. But he he says I'm focusing on offense. And I make the grade it's it is weighed Phelps focuses on the defense fossils fossil focuses on the special teams. So that model, and obviously Sean McVay had NFL ties. And but you can see how there can be. There's agents all the time that are matchmaking between coaches can see a college coach, maybe has Jimmy Sexton SS agent and Jimmy Sexton has got a bunch of defensive coordinator candidates. Yeah. They put together a package deal offer that up to teams that could be very appeal. And I don't think like the mistake teams would make is looking for the next Sean McVeigh because that's just not going to happen. Right. Like just. Out side of maybe Lincoln Riley. Like, I just think looking for the next. Whoever is always a mistake because you're always looking you're always looking at somebody who's incredibly special right like, and there's a reason why there's not ten of them walking around billable. And here's another thing to keep in mind too. You know, which I mentioned yesterday was just that this Browns job is gonna come open. And you know, whether it's Zach Taylor the Rams quarterbacks coach made Matt leflore someone from the McVeigh, Shannon tree is going to get plucked this off it's going to get an NFL job. But how careful are they going to be a because knowing sort of the tight window that they have maybe the one chance that they have to succeed just like McVeigh did when he was so young and everything like that. Are they really going to go to Cleveland at this point and make that their first chance at NFL head coach, John D Filipo could be an interesting one. Now, he's not that McVeigh tree. But he is the read tree, and that's another one that's hot now with a look now you've had some success and Chicago obviously Doug Peterson had success. Yes in Philadelphia, and Andy Reid assistance. I mean, I think about as fruitful a tree is there is out there as far as looking for guys that you're gonna puck his head coaches. And so, you know, Phillip was kind of an extension of that. Because he works for Peterson. You know knows the situation in Cleveland and has done a nice job in Minnesota like, and he's I think he was born in Youngstown his dad was the Youngstown state or something all these years ago survived the Menzel era, and he was yeah. Yeah. He knows what the score is there. And I think that that. I mean, look, I think that sort of a component to like brought mccamley like he's from northeast Ohio. I there is something to sort of knowing what you're dealing with there because it's a different type of situation. So anyway, we've got plenty of time to talk to talk about all that stuff over the next couple of months, we're going to get back to week eight here. I'm gonna kick off the news items the week, but I I wanted to let everybody listening out there. No, we were recording. This at twelve thirty one eastern time the trade deadline, still three and a half hours away. So if something huge pops. On my on my train, ride home this afternoon. I'm going to report record maybe a bone of the school here. We got this a bonus news segment this'll be like news item number six or something. So if something huge pops you guys will hear about it on the podcast just won't be right now. So I of the week. The Rams stay on beaten this weekend. Edging the Packers twenty nine two seven twenty nine twenty seven with a fumbled kickoff from time on Gumri giving LA the breathing room it needed shot McVeigh's crew travels to New Orleans this week two things that I think are pretty cool about this one. First of all that the fact that they were challenged this way. I think counts for something. And the fact that everything wasn't perfect that Aaron Rodgers on the other side line, and that's sort of hovering over everything, you know, like if you're Jared Goff. You can't tell me like that isn't like just there. You know, what I mean, like, I haft outscore this guy. So I think that's one piece of growth this nicer the second. Piece. And this is something that the Robert woods told me after the game that I thought was really interesting. You know, sometimes you can tell coaching staff really hasn't working like that. And we've seen this bell. Check in the passwords like something. They bring up something during the week or something comes up internally during the week. And then all of a sudden it shows up on game day. And it's exact I always tell like when coaches half really hasn't working that you see something like that Robert was told me like one of the goals for this week based on the opponent based on the spot all of that was to create turnover on special teams. And I mean there it is for you. And so it just feels the Rams have everything working. I think out of this gauntlet though, this is the toughest game. I mean going into New Orleans playing a saints team that I think is maybe the most complete team in the league right now has playing a lot better on defense has talent on defense. Not a fluke. It's not smoke and mirrors got good players on defense. I the the saints there in this like the Rams are this month. Long gone. What are they gonna play? You know, again, please. Play Seattle again, they play the chiefs. They just got done with the Packers. I the saints of go into New Orleans Saints. As is the biggest hurdle. They've got in that month. It's a big test for Rams defense that was inconsistent. I mean, obviously, they're playing Aaron Rodgers. But there were definitely times when the receivers were just wide open. The Cornerbacks were getting zero jam just let the receiver fly right by them, or maybe they stem they're out a little bit. And you know, the go route touchdown that Rodgers threw toward the end to take the lead. I mean, not receiver was was wide open. So it is a big test for a defense that has been good at times. But that has had flaws at times, you know, you saw Aaron Donald got that big sack, you know, toward the end. So there were certain there's certainly times when you're like oh there everything's working. But I think that defense the Rams defense has shown some vulnerabilities. And now it'll be tested against breeze. Interesting about that though. The Donald thing is almost feel like that's why you pay like this. Why you pay Aaron Donald is like if you look at the way defense is being played now I based on the. Rules offense is going really hard to shut anyone down. And so it's almost like I think teams are paying the defensive side of the ball for guys who can make that splash play in the Super Bowl that Brandon grand play when the game like like of all the plays. The eagles may like the brand great like it was whoever was going to get a stop. I like just one stop or make one player create one turnover or the but the Super Bowl tied. Yeah. I feel like Aaron Donald like, that's why you pay Donald twenty three million dollars a year is that like he's capable of making that one play. Thing. I thought was interesting about this game is not the Green Bay. I think necessarily as the infrastructure, but you talked to a couple coaches about, you know, a little bit about what the Rams are doing offense yearly in the, you know, what defense can slow them down like what can actually stop them, and that scheme that the Packers have had that sort of you know, I guess that Rex Ryan deviation. Simulated pressures using a few guys to create a lot of chaos in the backfield. That was really what a lot of teams are using his answer, you know, at the college level, and even at the high school level to stop a lot of these offenses. And so I thought that it was a good team for them to face at some point, you know, earlier middle on in the season because now they can adjust now they can kinda move pass it and you saw a little bit of discomfort. But he talk about, you know, paying players. I mean, that's when someone like Todd Gurley makes all the difference can just rip his way through defense. No matter what it looks like that's that's interesting though. 'cause like so much of it's based on like, and you know, you you you hear Tom Brady say like, you know, I feel like I've got the answer. To the test. Well, the whole fifteen second thing like Chom McVeigh's talking Jared Goff all the way down to the end of the play clock. And I almost feel like the Rams offensively scheme wise right now, you're it's like with Brady like like if you give them the answer to test their debt, you're dead. You know, like because they're gonna show McVeigh's been able to give those guys so many answers, you know? Okay. This happens. You do this. This happens. You do that you might that makes sense to me. Like if if a defense like that is not showing it's hand or as good at disguising like the maybe that caught. Maybe that's maybe that's the way you have to do it against against what the ram just not a lot of teams have the, you know, the Green Bay Zoe, you know, it was an extension of what Dom Capers had done. I remember Dom Capers is running that psycho defense in two thousand ten where there's one down lineman and everybody was walking across. I think it's just maybe not that it's coming back into fashion, but maybe coming back into usefulness a little bit. And they've they've had that personnel there forever. Okay. There's a reason why put this piece of news. Number two. Because is something that Connor I'm gonna give him credit. Here was was on like like you're like Nassir domino on Sunday afternoon at two o'clock 'cause you called what was coming after four interceptions on Sunday, the bucks bench James Winston and turned to Ryan Fitzpatrick who led a furious comeback day later. Fitzpatrick was officially named the new starter. And I mean, you know, we've we've had our fun. I think with dirt cutter at this point. But I I mean all the cards are on the table right now. I mean, this is I need to save my job I need to win, and you know, sort of disappointingly Jameis Winston it's gun to your head who do you trust? And it's Ryan Fitzpatrick. And I think that there's really no other way to look at you had a lot of fun with that on Sunday afternoon. There's so many good Ryan Fitzpatrick gifts that come on reloaded on the iphone like he's just like he's going like this all ready. And like if anyone sees them like shaking, my fist furiously, but you know, he's just very gift for the he's he's a gift to he's a gift to some of. I mean, it was just like this can't happen. Again. This can't happen again. This can't. Then then it's like, it's just it's like it's weird that something like that is predictable that like this guy who if you start them for more than eight games. You're you're deep crap. Right. Like like that it's so predictable that if you bring them off the bench, this is going to happen. I mean, you know, you can question cutters decision making hair going back to Jayme s but Fettes badger kind of gave him that opportunity on the civil Potter without game in Chicago. And so, you know, I think there are a lot of players in the locker who do believe in. You know, it seemed that way. At least Beth Packer was you know, we can win more games with him. But then that game happens. All right. Let's let's go to j mass. You know? So I, you know, the reality is neither is a very good option. And the buccaneers will be looking for a quarterback in the draft. Whether the issue right now for them to is like who's looking out for the long term for the long term. You know fortune of the franchise because if I'm if I'm the owners now gun probably looking at this and saying, I'm either say one of two things, right? Right. So that twenty one million dollar option sitting there and you've got a decision on February March. Right. So I'm either I need more information on Janus. Right. I'd like to see him play because I need more information on whether or not we should keep him or, you know, whether it's a new coach Derek whoever's making that decision, we're gonna need more information on them or I have all the information. I need he's benched. And now we need to put them on ice the rest of the year because we can't risk him going out there. And and having an injury that's going to trigger the guarantee. Right. I think that they they said, okay. We'll put James back in there. If he can win games now that we know that he can't we're going back. If it's Patrick playing it safe the rest of the season. I think is interesting if you're nother team do do you sign Ryan Fitzpatrick because is it not scare the crap out of levers in front of them. It's like the minute that I it's unbelievable throw six touchdowns take my job four weeks. And they give it back when I don't want. It. The weird thing is like the James suspension and everything that's happened is like the. Second craziest of these. There have been like there've been like five of them where he comes in and something happens to the starter. But this isn't even close to what happened with the jets where the starter literally got like uppercut cutted in the locker room by a special teamer and broke his jaw. And that's why Ryan Patrick was playing. Visit an uppercut. We have that confirmed thought it was an uppercut a streetfighter. Yeah. If you broke your jaw, well, I guess it could. I came with the uppercut, okay? Jenny news item. Number three giants fell to one and seven on Sunday behind another shaky effort from LA manning who coach Pat Shurmur wouldn't commit to starting after the team returns from its week nine by. So this is complicated. By the the news that broke Connor Yetagun interrupted reporting for a giants related transaction that related to row related to an ally. On the team last week was the trade. It was Adam schefters thought it was manning being traded. Yeah, Kyle leda has now been arrested and was not traffic related offense. I don't we don't have all the details that may change in the next time for our. That's why I put that. That's why I put that one in here because I thought like we'd have a discussion about whether or not as worth putting Kyle in there. And what do you do? And honestly, like, I don't think I got the sense from and I don't know about you. But I haven't gotten a sense from anyone there that like they think that Kyle has been this like. Revelation over the last six months, you know, what I mean like they all of a sudden feel like they're getting more than they would with a fourth round pick dorm only, and they got to put this guy out there and see what they've got. I haven't gotten that sense at all. And I mean, this just sort of cements, I I don't know there's really a reason to pull the plug on Eli just I mean, I guess the only reason I can see at this point to pull the plug on him would be if he's playing so poorly. And look I mean, Pat Shurmur Mike Schule those guys are the ones who know like how he's grading out. And all of that that you can't like effectively evaluate the other ten guys because that's the that's the position the giants are in right now. Like, it's not about wins and losses anymore is about getting clean evaluation on everyone in the roster. And so if he's playing so poorly that you can't like evaluate the other guys than maybe make change. But I don't get the sense that there's like this huge like urge to throw Kyle at out there and see what they have. No, I think that that's just sort of a you know, these sort of victim. Of the market that he plays in where everybody just sort of looks frantically for the backup for for other answers, when it's a little bit more complicated than that. I mean, I think I think is there by week this week near next week. You know, I think that maybe the answer is just to to really just have a long sit down with the lines. What do you wanna do? I mean, do you want to do you wanna play next year? And if so do you think that being here is going to help you be healthy for that? Or, you know, be able to do that. Do you want us to announce parting ways at the end of the season? Let you say goodbye in a few different markets where there's a lot of giants fans that way it will help sell some tickets towards the end of the season. I mean, what do you want to do? And I think that that's really been the most unclear aspect of all this. And we know like John Marras pretty invested in the image of his franchise like pretty invested in how everything looks and comes off, and they wanna be seen as like I'm same as rone's. You know, they wanna be seen as this Tiffany franchise. That is the upper crust of the NFL. And so my guess is especially based on the way played out last year because they got like a how to and how not to do it last year. Like like in the way that Ben mcadoo, Jerry Reese handle it like I would. Think Conor that there's going to have to be some sort of conversation like that to discuss like how the divorce gonna go down. Yeah. And there's not really a great solution here. And there the way that things have unfolded, you know, if you had made the move a year ago props, you know, when which they sort of they tried to obviously, and they got the backlash and then they said we're going to reinvest in him for one season. And now here you are in the middle of another season facing basically the same dilemma faced a year ago and saying how can we handle it differently? When there really isn't a great answer. No. Well, these things are I mean US brother, go through something much ugly. You don't have someone in waiting. I mean, it's not like you're not transitioning from Kurt Warner, July manning, and that's the issue. That's why like the giants could find themselves in a really ugly situation because if they are gonna move on from Eli after this year like and then they could wind up pigeonholed until we have to quarterback. That's the worst position of being. That's how Christian ponder winds up going. Twelfth overall. You know, is that these teams get in this position where it's like, well, we have to get one. Now when the numbers would show us that there isn't necessarily a great one available every year, they're going to be years where there's just not a great one if they can't shake someone loose like, you know, and I don't think the finances make sense on someone like Derek Carr. You know after the season, you know, in in maybe teddy Bridgewater commands, top dollar free agent market. Maybe that's an age group that makes sense for them. But if they don't shake some loose like that. I mean, you're talking about maybe wasting two to three years of saquon Barkley prime f lettuce years now on nonfunctional offenses. I don't know what ode L Beckham's thinking he was already sort of passive in terms of his response. If he wanted to be there. So, you know, I think that it's it's a lot bigger problem at this point. I mean, they've already they've already assumed that they've owed ally so much that were in there in this pit now. And there's no getting out of that. Right. There is why that right there is why you don't take a running back second overall. Unless you're in a position to win right away. This is never about saquon Barkley as a player like saquon sake was a great talent. A and we throw the word around too much. But like he is truly a generational talent. Like, he's a different type of back like I think back four two thousand eighteen but there's there's no dominant on those guys. And if you're not in a championship window, it's hard to justify taking a guy who like maybe on the back end by the time. You're you know, really really through with your rebuild. And boy the giants should've done with the jets did. And by low on teddy Bridgewater. It was it was worth it. I mean, the jets did that knowing they were going to draft a quarterback. I mean, a lot of fun. Their jets plan was was very the giants should've had they, you know, they know realize at the end, and they didn't do anything, essentially brilliant. I mean, you look at it. Now, you'll back at it. Now, they roll the dice on teddy Bridgewater health. They brought in a guy and Josh mccown who could be a mentor to the young quarterback. And then they move up to get Sam darnold and in the end having mccown there gave them the flexibility to move Bridgewater, which winds up landing the third round pick. Okay, news at number four the Cowboys fired first year line coach Paul Alexandra Monday and promoted assistant a line coach Marc Colombo, which as Garrett brain trust a confidante Hudson hawk back to help out. The reason I included this one because it's not a sexy. That's not a sex line. Coach transactions. Right. So the reason the reason I bring this one the reason I put this one in there is because I do think that could have an impact on the NFC race, which I think is still wide open. And to me this is about reestablishing, strengthen Dallas. And I'm gonna say it right now Dallas going to be in the NFC race till the end. And I think there's a good chance that we're gonna look back at this move and say this had an impact talked to a few Dallas people yesterday about this. And what they all said was and I don't want to get caught in the weeds of offense of line technique, talk or any of that. But the fact is that Paul exander came from Cincinnati. He was sort of brought up to coach massive offensive lineman who are playing gap scheme like man scheme, and the Cowboys have athlete Lymon who plays on scheme. And so I think it was recognized pretty early in the spring and the summer that like, whoa. This guy's doing some different stuff. And he might not be getting the most out of this. That we've invested so much in so credit to the Cowboys for pulling the plug on something that wasn't working credit to the Cowboys for saying we're going to go back and do what our players do. Well, and look I think that the reason why I say, I think this has a real chance to make an impact is because. This is a strength team the identity of the Cowboys runs through that offensive line. And if you can get them back where they were playing in two thousand fourteen or two thousand sixteen you know, what happens will now of a sudden Zeke Elliott's different player and Zeke Elliott's a different player. Now Dak Prescott existing in a different environment where you has Amari Cooper. We can argue until we're blue in the face about whether or not it was worth the first round pick. But he's a good player. They're adding to a need position. And because they've been sort of this this functional environment offensively the defense had to had to improve. And so I think there could be a trickle what I'm saying is I could be a trickle down effect if they can get that offense ivine back towards Ben. I think you know, GARRETT'S job probably hangs in the balance of them staying in the NFC east race. Right. So we make this movie makes the Cooper trade. They're saying, you know, we are expecting to be in the playoffs as the NFC champ. And if that doesn't happen, you know, we talked about Riley earlier, I think Riley is someone that you really have to look think a lot about for the Cowboys job because you know, and listen the last time the Cowboys. Hired a coach from Oklahoma at worked pretty well. For them. Gotta remember that history too. Yeah. And I don't think like think like Riley is going to be careful because I actually think like the Oklahoma job is. I think the ass most coaches, they would say the Oklahoma job is better than a lot of NFL jobs, like maybe better than the Browns, the money, the money isn't different anymore money that they're making really isn't much different. And better a lot of. Yeah. Right. Right. And the job security is probably a little bit better. You have more control. You are picking what kind of players you wanna Br especially when you're place like Oklahoma. While you sorta got your cure, your pick of who you want to bring in you can build it the way you want it. I don't think like at Riley's just going to jump at the first chance to do something. But Dallas might be one where he's from Texas originally grew up in the in west, Texas, and it could be that one. Where like I can't say no to that. You know? I just can't say that. I think the really nice thing. I was thinking about this yesterday. Like just from human perspective, you're someone like Lincoln Riley. You know that if you try and fail in the NFL there is a there's a nice cushion there on the other somebody's going to take you back at a high profile job in college. Seen that with chip Kelly Nick Sabin. You know, any of these guys that tried to do it. They come back, and there's a great, you know, six million dollar job waiting million dollar. You're waiting for them somewhere else. And so I think that the fear. There has dissipated a little bit. Of course, you worry though about leaving the perfect place, which is Oklahoma the perfect place beautiful campus hot recruiting area, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And so somehow he just went from saying the Cowboys back to. We we went from the Cowboys rebounding to firing Jason Garrett three minutes reflection. Though that was a good observation by Janet. We were to deep in the weeds on Mantas own offense of line talk time to job. John Lincoln Riley, good job. Good job. You pulled me right for the headlines. SEO friendly. All right. Connor news. I've never five Jaguars loss or fourth straight game on Sunday in London falling to a tie for last in the AFC south with the three and five colts every surgeon three and five call should just that's I'm also pending again here. So I'm gonna let you get back to the topic. No, I think that I think that's a perfect place to start here because look at the rest of the cold schedule. There's not a built in loss remaining on their schedule. Right now the colts might finish in front of the Jaguars. Oh, I think the colts could finish in the first place in the vision. I mean, I think I think the I think today is going to be really interesting in terms of you know, what the Houston Texas went to fortify that roster and keep themselves, you know, in the lead, and maybe do some things for Shawn Watson. But men, I mean, you know, if you look at you know, rising and falling teams in the division right now until Leonard for comes back at full spread. The Jaguars offense is just not what it was built to be the problem. Texans. Have is that they they're big need is on the offense of line. And right now, that's like we're everyone's need is. You know, like, so like, I think the issue they have you know, the trade deadline is like there's just the supply demand curve. There is way out of whack. I mean, it's why eight soldier got fifteen million a year. It's why Andrew nor wells the highest paid guard. It's why Ryan jets the highest paid center like every every competent offensive linemen got paid last year. Like the Steelers six ofensive lime and got seven million a year in Cleveland. And so the Texans are interesting. I the colts of the best quarterback in the division. I think again, I think he's right back. There again is the best quarterback the division their offense off. It's well off. It's fixed Ryan Kelly playing. Well, I think it's more than playing. Well, I think it's fixed four top forty picks starting now they are out there the run game. They run for two hundred twenty hours a lot of. Marlin matt. We're gonna get there. We're going to get there. I just like I look at the Jaguars. And there's just something like a little dysfunctional about them now and the colts have all these young players in the roster who at least on paper should continue to get better. And I think Chris Chris Ballard and Frank Reich have going now, I think that. Like, look there's still like probably draft in a free free agent class away. I gonna be a factor in the AFC in twenty nineteen does this at all you change the opinion of Ryan Greeks out there somewhere because a lot of these were his picks in the the butting of heads was always that. I know how to pick off and slime, and you just don't know how to coach offense of lime. And and you know, so Costanzo Costanza was so Costanza was Polian. Was he Ryan Kelly was Grigson. Ryan Kelly was great. But but I mean. Ricksen? The creek Grigson had started getting the offense of line like working on getting the offense of line fix did start under Ryan there. So interesting point in the Jaguars did a little deep reporting on this. Now, the family member who lives in London. And I said we're could you go around where the team was staying in spend sixty five thousand dollars on alcohol on a Saturday night in the wee hours in the morning. And she said not I mean, you'd have to try like really try based on where they were now maybe some Uber's involved and all that kind of stuff obviously a little bit of escape hatch action with them. But you know, so a lot of a lot of interesting stuff. I I watched watched a I watched a clip from our former employer Connor the other day where I think it was Dion was saying that like this whole thing was understandable, because he was say Hussein Hussein that he was saying that like like, oh, you know, they just probably is probably just a bunch of rookies getting stuck with the Bill and then like the rookie. Decided they didn't wanna pay rookies there. I it was it was a very it was a very interesting like like, it was a very interesting explanation of why it was okay. For this to happen at four am a Friday night in London. Maybe they just cool with it. The they got confused about the time zone like Gino Smith. Thought it was eleven pm. Speaking at times, it's always time. So is a good time to get to Connor for his fantasy update. And so what we got this week honour? Well, I think that just after a week of despicable slander at the hands of, you know, another inside retype podcasts on another network and all that kind of stuff. I thought it felt really good to come out to get the W got there. You know, we're burying the football. Painted because we're back in this. You know, no Delvin cook. No Leonard for net, but James CONNER. No Matt Ryan because it's the by week. You know, Harry's gardens head right now because I'm not got Yagi. Make sure you get the cork sound. Yes. It is see he's actually got is that champagne or is that? So you can't that cider this is a French alcoholic Citre. Okay. Because you can't buy wine in this building. Apparently. Okay. But you know, dry building this is for the bit. Yeah. So anyway, anyway, ice if people like colder, but I think we're all going to celebrate here. We're two and six, but I feel like once Delvin cook comes back once Leonard fournette comes back. You know, we're team of fighters, you know, last week, you know, guys stepping up Dede Westbrook out of nowhere off waivers. You know, we're gonna keep grinding. You know, Josh Adams is the big pickup this week. He'll be one of our stable of boys for for next Sunday. So I've I've loved coaching this team. And I'm not ready to go. I'll tell you. What you bring up Dede Westbrook. I'm all for it. I mean, those grimy edgy type of guys with some skeletons in the closet. Those guys are coming through through for me. I mean, my this rogue band that I've put together I mean a week too. Week basis. Joe mixing coming up huge for me this week to Sean Jackson. He's able to tune out all the trade. Rumors puts up nineteen and a half points for me. I like is just. I'm telling you. I'm telling you that edge that edge in your locker room. Connor edging your locker of everybody's kind of. I feel like you play you play with a certain attitude buried the ghost. Yeah. This is Jerry. We're burying the football. And another thing, you know. I know we talked about hashtag released the tax. Yes. In terms of that that I'm not even gonna call it a rival podcast because I'm not even sure kind of what's going on over there. But sounds like they're trying to draft us. You know, like, you know, how race cars. To to build their brand. And I'm sure you guys search hard enough on Google you might be able to find it somewhere. But if we get another five thousand subscribers over the next two weeks, I will release the text messages that prove that I was victim of slander the receipt. Wow. They would say on the have the receipts hashtag. Hash release the town. We want we do we have a message. We want to send Tom and Mike in Ian, either you guys I mean, just you know, that that we're prepared you know, he's prepared to release release the tax. So I think that we've got it as a warning, Mike. Yeah. I think it's incumbent now on our audience if our audience wants to see the texts, right? You know, I think we're ready. Let us know let us know it until then we will enjoy this signing. Hey what? 'cause I love all of you out there that have been listening to us. I love our love our audience. I'll tell you what even going to try to convince Connor after he releases the text here on the podcast to tweet at the screen shots. So here we go. I'm just gonna show this at a distance. These are texts that prove my point. Oh, wow. I just saw a line that was very incriminating area airy incriminating. I dunno Mike. You're back might be up against the wall here knife thought is that Connor just does things or unorthodox way. You're kind of a wild card. I wouldn't want to mess with you. I mean here you are toasting to sixteen I coach to pop champagne team. But I am going to enjoy it. You guys to find a way to build a better mousetrap? That's what I've done with my my rogue group. And that's what Connor is trying to do by celebrating his second win in week. Eight cares. Yes, here's shares. All right, guys. And we're gonna get your questions in just a second. I want to tell you guys about the hair club. Now, I don't have huge issues with this. But I have friends that do and your confidence is important, and sometimes one change can make all the difference here club knows this. And they're inviting you to become a part of the hair club family to see how the most out of your hair can change your life. They understand the emotions you're feeling and know the questions you have here club is the leader in total hair solutions with a legacy of success for over forty years. 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That's my last name B R E E R for a free hair analysis and free hair care kit. Here click here club dot com slash breer. We're getting the six pack now, you guys know how this works. You ask I answer. We're gonna fire up. We're gonna go rapid fire through your questions. Real quick. I want to give you an update. The Mary Thomas traded to the Texans for amid round pick my buddy, Ian Rappaport, who we were just talking trash about. He was the first to get that out there. You know, certainly we mentioned earlier in the podcast Texans. Biggest need was on the offensive line. This is a way to sort of get around that they find a replacement temporarily at least for will fuller. It makes sense from that standpoint, helping to Sean to to Shawn Watson out. Okay. You know this every week. I put the call out for questions on Twitter on Tuesday morning. You ask I pick six if I pick yours you get a like on Twitter and getting answer here question. Number one from our Bellion. That's Eker Bellion. Hello, Bert of the charges and chiefs who wins the AFC west. I liked the LA chargers as a more balanced offense and team. I let the chiefs because I think the defense is going to get better. But I think this one's going to go right into week sixteen and seventeen. I don't think that we're going to pull. Away. I think what you want to watch. The chiefs is some of the younger players in the done the on the Rostro. Daniel speaks Nadi some of those guys we'll see whether or not they do the deadline. I just feel like there's a bunch of guys on that roster that that that that that should be getting better on the defensive side of the ball over the course of the end of the year. Maybe they get Houston back. Maybe the berry back. I got a chance to be a competent defense and with that offense. I think all they need to be as competent on defense. But I like the charges too. I think they'll be in the playoffs. When all said done question number two from Cleveland sports at Ackley sports who will the Browns higher hula Brown's higher hula Brown tire hula LeBron's higher hula Brown's higher will Prowse higher. Thank you. Again, I'm going to go back to what we were talking about with Jenny and Connor I think the Browns are going to cast a wide net. I don't think there are obvious candidates in the pro ranks. So I think they will look in the college ranks a couple of names, I will give you number one. And what are we gonna talk about him a little bit more in a minute. Mike McCarthy with the Packers. If there were to be a change in Green Bay. I think Mike McCarthy would be one that John Dorsey would consider if you wanna look at his Kansas City history. His Kansas City connections. Eric b enemy could be another one the offense coordinator there the chiefs the guy replaced Matt Nagy who of course, replaced Doug Peterson. He would be another one. So those would be the two pro coaches, I would look at with John D Filipo, perhaps as a dark horse, and then the college ranks Lincoln Riley is the obvious one. I don't know the Lincoln Riley is gonna go to Cleveland Matt Campbell. I think the fits their to me this. This makes all the sense of the world needs somebody who's gonna level out the program. I think a guy who's got program building experience. Matt Campbell does make sense from that standpoint. He's got. Northeast Ohio northeast, Ohio roots? He's from mass long, which is actually the hometown of Paul Brown. It makes a lot of sense if he can put together an NFL staff if he can demo demonstrate that he put together an NFL staff, I think Matt Campbell would make a lot of sense there. Also, I would tell you that John Dorsey the circles that he runs in. There are a lot of guys that think very highly Campbell question number three from Lorenzo or Seaney. That's at Mr. Lorenzo or Seaney does Mike McCarthy. Get the boot of Green Bay goes under five hundred again the season with Rogers lead Packers team. Lorenzo I think it would be on the table, and I'm just looking at history here. And if you wanna look back at how Mike McCarthy got his job in the first place is sort of how it happened. Ted. Thompson was hired in two thousand and five he inherited Mike Sherman. They went at together for a year. Ted Thompson decided and this was not necessarily the most popular thing in the world at the time. And certainly the quarterback Brett farve had issue with that he fired Mike Sherman and higher Mike McCarthy in two thousand eighteen what do they have? They've got a first year GM who's holding over a head coach. So I mean McCarthy certainly has more as more pelts on the wall than than than Mike Sherman did in two thousand and five he's got a world championship there. I think my McCarthy's a heck of a coach. But we've seen these situations in the past where general manager wanna bring in his own guy and build his own program. So I don't think that this impossible that something like that happens. If the wheels come off in Green Bay question number four from semi warriors. That's at semi walkers. How much did may feel? Feelings about Hugh factor into Jackson's firing and could the same argument be made for Williams chances of a head coaching job after GARRETT'S criticism. I don't think it was a huge factor. I think this is purely about the relationship between Hugh Jackson, Todd Haley's. And I think that this was about the discord there about creating a healthy environment for all the young players Mayfield wasn't wild about you. I know may feel at least the people there say that he was pretty open about the fact that he didn't have a ton of respect for you. So I do feel like that's sort of a side piece. All this to me. The the overriding thing was created the right environment for all the pleasure. Baker Mayfield for Denzel ward for Myles Garrett for Djibril peppers for all those young guys in that locker room and. It was impossible become impossible to do that with Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson working together question. Number five gar billion. I'm giving you two questions here that car billion. Anthony Lynn has handled a lot of injuries the Joey Bosa contract the LA move and the bolts are in the playoff race yet. Again, almost no talk about his coaching performance. Just like his team versus the Rams. He seems to be buried in McVeigh's shadow. Look, I think there's always going to be a fascination with the hot young offensive genius. And that's what McVay is like Lincoln Riley is to some degree. And so if Neil it doesn't really fit that. But he has done a heck of a job. He has built a program that is able to sustain hits. And they've had a lot of injuries over the last couple of years. This year's hunter Henry is Joey Bosa they it's a resilient group that he's that he's put together. And I mean, we saw last year we saw it with you know, the LA move spending half the off season in San Diego half the off season, you know, in temporary facility. Than go through the old four star. And he's able to get them into a position where they competing to get in the playoffs in December. And we're seeing all that again anyone's doing a heck of job question. Number six last question week as default forever legitimate shot defense player of the year. He leaves oh edge rushers in a bunch of PF stats, including overall grade pass rush grade pressures win rate and Prussia rate. Deformed is a heck of a football player. No. He is not defensive player of the year war the he's not that far off. But the fact that he hasn't played for a very good defense. And the fact that JJ watt pointing the way is that Aaron Donald playing the way he is that Cleal MAC at the start that he has. I don't think default has a great chance divas player of the year. What he has done. He's made a lot of money for himself. He's one of a group of pass rushers. That's going to be out. There group includes Ziggy Ansah Frank Clark, DeMarcus Lawrence, Debbie uncloudy. There are a lot of big name passers that are going to be out there in the market and d Ford has moved up that list, and I think will make himself a lot of money when they get to the off. Season. Art. Appreciate you guys coming out as always I welcome all feedback. We wanna make this year podcast Twitter at Albert brea. I'm on Facebook at Albert Arbor on Instagram at Albert underscore Breyer. And always remember to listen to all of our podcast the gambling podcast, Andy and Gary's podcast. You can get all men one feed. Now, the QB and fell podcast. See us find on Spotify, Stitcher. Tune in Google play apple podcasts wherever you get your shows. Same time. It's we'll see. Tip of the hat to Albert another strong. 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Precise Radio Navigation

Innovation Now

01:29 min | 9 months ago

Precise Radio Navigation

"I'm navigator compute trajectories a spacecraft figuring out where they're at and we're GonNa go this is innovation now bringing bringing you stories behind the ideas that shave our future. Precise radio navigation. Using radio frequencies to determine position is vital to the success. Awesome deep space exploration missions. Here's Todd Haley Project Manager for NASA's deep space atomic clock to explain why precision should matters. Those signals traveled speed of light. That's three hundred thousand kilometers per second. So if you're off by a millisecond you'd be off by three hundred kilometers and measuring the distance so that spacecraft. So it's really important that you have extremely precise timing on your signals de sac. Deep Space Time clock I takes the UH technology we have in our ground atomic clocks packages it up into smalls based craft ready size device. The Mercury Ions in the clock. Make it the most stable atomic clock ever flown and this kind of precision will ultimately help space navigators like todd pinpoint a spacecraft's crafts position anywhere in space for innovation. Now I'm Jennifer pulling innovation now is produced by the National Institute of Aerospace Through Collaboration Aberration with NASA and is distributed by w H._R. V.. Visit US online at innovation. Now Dot U._S..

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Position in Space

Innovation Now

01:29 min | 11 months ago

Position in Space

"I'm navigator I compute trajectories a spacecraft figuring out where they're at and we're GonNa go this is innovation now bringing bringing you stories behind the ideas that shave our future. Precise radio navigation. Using radio frequencies to determine position is vital to the success. Awesome deep space exploration missions. Here's Todd Haley Project Manager for NASA's deep space atomic clock to explain why precision should matters. Those signals traveled speed of light. That's three hundred thousand kilometers per second. So if you're off by a millisecond you'd be off by three hundred kilometers and measuring the distance so that spacecraft. So it's really important that you have extremely precise timing on your signals de sac. Deep Space Time clock I takes the a technology we have. In our ground atomic clocks packages it up into smalls based craft ready size device. The Mercury Ions in the clock. Make it the most stable atomic clock ever flown and this kind of precision will ultimately help space navigators like todd pinpoint spacecraft's crafts position anywhere in space for innovation now. I'm Jennifer pulling innovation now is produced by the National Institute of Aerospace Through Collaboration Aberration with NASA and is distributed by w H._R. V.. Visit US online at innovation. Now Dot U._S..

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When Precision Counts

Innovation Now

01:29 min | 1 year ago

When Precision Counts

"I'm navigator. I compute trajectories a spacecraft figuring out where they're at and we're GONNA go. This is innovation now. Bringing bringing you stories behind the ideas that shave our future precise radio navigation using radio frequencies to determine position is vital to the success awesome deep space exploration missions. Here's Todd Haley Project Manager for NASA's deep space atomic clock to explain why precision should matters those signals traveled speed of light. That's three hundred thousand kilometers per second. So if you're off by a millisecond you'd be off by three hundred kilometers and measuring the distance so that spacecraft so it's really important that you have extremely precise timing on your signals de sac deep space time clock. I takes the UH technology we have in our ground atomic clocks packages it up into smalls based craft ready size device the mercury ions in the clock make it the most stable atomic clock ever flown and this kind of precision will ultimately help space navigators like todd pinpoint spacecraft's crafts position anywhere in space for innovation now. I'm Jennifer pulling innovation now is produced by the National Institute of Aerospace Through Collaboration Aberration with NASA and is distributed by w H._R. V. Visit US Online at innovation now dot U._S.

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EMERGENCY PODCAST: Browns Fire Head Coach Hue Jackson and Todd Haley

Around the NFL

22:25 min | 2 years ago

EMERGENCY PODCAST: Browns Fire Head Coach Hue Jackson and Todd Haley

"This happened just seconds ago. Wore madness for the Cleveland balances, they try to fix their coaching staff. And we are anticipating a news conference coming from Berea, Ohio. Addressing the moves. The Browns made today to fire head coach Hugh Jackson and also offense coordinator Todd Haley, sources tell me that often to coordinator for the Browns. Todd Haley has been fired the decision to fire Hugh Jackson, Todd Haley, and then replace them with Greg Williams. And Freddie kitchens man, it is a wild day. Cleveland, maybe not the most. Maybe not what we all expected a virtually very Brown's kind of day emergency podcast. Yup. The Browns have fired Hugh Jackson their head coach and their offensive coordinator. Todd Haley, and we are here we the heroes had to unite to discuss it. Dan, Hans us along with Mark Cecil and yes, Mark settlers? Okay. Everybody on Twitter. That's asking if marks. Okay. He seems. Okay, right now, the the mailman Chris Wesseling and on the bat phone for this emergency podcast is Greg the hammer Rosenthal. Greg you there as well. Why am I the hammer? It's a it's a wrestling reffed. Our question the hammered, I kinda like Greg the hammer Roseanne's good so Gregson via the phone, and you know, it's serious business when we assemble on a Monday to talk about the news, Mark, we're going to start with you on this your. You're feeling when you heard the news. How surprised you that happened today? We've been working here Dan since two thousand ten and this is the fifth time. This has happened to the Browns. Wow. I mean, this is so inches. More head coaches than the Steelers have had since we were born this is what they do. Is it true that it's all after Steelers losses to all six? The main thing the past six I mean, this was always I think the ups it's interesting when the firing of the assistant coach is more surprising than the firing of the head coach. This was always the powder keg going into the season. The one thing that you felt like with Cleveland, despite all the optimism was just hanging out there as this variable in this big concern was Hugh Jackson's tenuous nature as head coach. And I guess it got this far. And I'm not surprised see changes because the thing that haunted. Hugh Jackson for so long. And it began I think last season and really dug into this one was the whispering the gossiping the. Infighting when you can't control your building enough to in your own mouth to not go out on a out on in front of the press and talk about Todd Haley in your his play calling. And you saw it in hard knocks. You saw it. Now, it just seemed like there's just been too much drama. It's so similar to so many previous regimes. And here we are once again, I don't find it surprising in the least west you. We talked about just on Sunday show the Steelers they thrive on drama, but they win the Browns. They have never ending drama. They lose and you put those two things together. It's pretty terrible. Well, I would add to the list of grievances against Hugh Jackson that what we also saw on hard knocks was very little by in. I thought from the players or the coaches his in game strategy was among the worst. I've ever seen his handling of quarterbacks especially the yo yo he kept Deschamp Kaiser on last year. The offense was horrible in. That's his calling. Offense, for whatever reason he could not find a kicker who could make kicks his coaching staff that he assembled you saw in the preseason Greg Williams and Todd Haley didn't get along much less. Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley getting along. I just think like the list of reasons to keep you Jackson. We're very small and the reasons to get rid of them was was litany of reason and Greg Baker Mayfield. The report comes up from rap sheet in has been busy all morning that Baker Mayfield not the most upset guy in the world that Hugh Jackson's out the door. And when you don't have a good relationship with the number one pick that is the heart of the organization now, you really have no chance. Yeah. In Mayfield presence makes everything better at this season about his developing it's gonna make the job more attractive and now now everyone will eventually get excited about the Browns again. But it just all of that makes me more noise that Demi have women the teams didn't fire. Hugh Jackson last January. I it was it was pretty obvious. This isn't. The second guessing this is something that we talked about as a fairly likely scenario amid season firing pretty much throughout the off season. And it raises question about whether the organization is gonna make the right choice because they continually don't make the right choice. You mentioned all the coaches. I mean just been has them came in six years ago. They've had four those coaches, and they've also had they fired Heckert, Michael bardy, Ray farmer and Sashi Brown, but that's all in six years. And now they're going to have another press conference where they try to sell the fans that this is, you know, the right move. And this is the new beginning, but they were doing that to explain why Hugh Jackson was saying six months ago, and as recently as last night, according to reports, you know, they were still going back and forth about whether which one of the two guys the fire, which is just seems like an insane position to put yourself in that you haven't learned anything from all of the things that they've made over the last six years. There's always with the Browns. When these things happens. There's always something uniquely Browns to it. And this was the buildup to what happened today was what was reported Sunday morning at various outlets, including by NFL media that it was a Todd Haley that's going to go. Is it the head coach that's going to go then they fire the head coach in an hour or so later they fired their offense coordinator. So it was a power struggle where no one wins. And it just again seems like they don't quite know what they're doing Mark behind closed doors there. Hugh Jackson won the Sashi Brown power struggle. And they brought in John Dorsey. But when when the same guys involved in one power struggle after the next to start to look at that guy. And I think that's what happened here. I think that the power struggle. This time was one by John Dorsey. But also Baker Mayfield that you cannot Baker Mayfield having to side with the offense coordinator or the head coach the only bright spot I see here in terms of going forward. Because again, I am out of optimism as a Browns fan. I just want to wait and see what they do. There's none of this. Don't spin me a narrative about what? It's next and how we've had clear thinking here the clinking could not be muddier from the summer on going on to last season. If you would fired Hugh Jackson last January, you would have had an impossible job getting someone in here. There's a lot of reasons to like this job if you're someone looking become a head coach, and it will be the first time I believe since the very beginning. The Browns are reborn in one thousand nine hundred nine where an in-place general manager will pick his head coach. They've never had that it's always been the coach inherited a new GM or vice versa and they've never gotten along. And that's the opposite of the Steelers. It's the opposite of in many ways the ravens and the other teams in this division like him or not have been consistent. Cleveland has always been flip flopping with incumbents and new hires that couldn't see eye to eye. This may be the one chance if you're John Dorsey, and you get the right guy to start a new, but I am tired of hearing myself say that and anyone hearing this should be tired of that to this. We have a missive released by the Browns after the. The firings. Went public statement from dean Jimmy has lem we greatly. Appreciate Hughes commitment to the Cleveland Browns organization over the last two and a half years. We understand how critical this time period is in the development of our football team individually and collectively and believed it was in the organization's best interest to make the move at this time in order to maximize opportunities the rest of the season. We certainly only wish you Michelle and his family the best moving forward. In addition. Todd Haley has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator quite a last sentence. Still warm sendoff for Todd Haley, you just wonder what was going on behind closed doors with Todd Haley, he must have really not been well liked to get the boot here too. Well, Ian Rapoport reported that he was going rogue with his play calling of late against Hugh Jackson's wishes he was basically just doing whatever he wanted to do wasn't that the power they he was given though essentially with the job. I mean, do you think they at one point wanted to keep them around? And when he found out the Greg Williams was going to be named the interim. He just said I'm out and we have done by the way Shanahan did the same thing. He wanted nothing to do with this team. After all the chaos went down a couple of years ago. There's another report this one from Mike silver that the organization wanted to fire Todd Haley in September. But he Hugh Jackson stepped in and saved his job at that point. I mean, Greg this was you, and I are hard knocks files and. One of the great things about the shows every once in a while it doesn't happen every season. But every once in a while you end up learning something about the team through that show. And then you get to almost see it all play out. And I'll never forget episode one the season premiere of the Browns hard knocks season when Todd Haley was being openly. Oh, it was. He knew the cameras are on him. He knew the mics Ron them. And he was openly challenging the head coach on the coach's decision of how he wanted to by the way, I'm turning to where you sit. Greg. Knowing that he was he was openly challenging on his coaching decisions. And I thought that in the moments like, wow, there is a lack of respect in this room for the head coach. That's what one and thirty one does. And then when the losing happened again. And again, the Browns started losing this year to five and one it all came to a boil to me quite teams don't want to be on hard knocks. And it's one one of the reasons why this hard knocks was good because I think they gave such great access in Michael silvers report that he you know, made that you can help save daily job in September. I mean, this was Hugh tech and higher. So it just it kinda gets to the whole idea of letting you Jackson run this team for another year was a colossal waste of everyone's time to the point where his his own higher, essentially led to his undoing. And I know. Yeah. They'll they'll be a more attractive job for the next head coach. I honestly don't put much into that. Because you just have to choose. Right coach, whether it's an active job or not. And a lot of the coaches that have turned out to be the best are not that attractive. Bruce Arians being one Sean McVeigh was a guy who no one was really looking into. So I don't know whether that is going to help them pick a better coach or not I just hope for all of our sakes and Baker Mayfield sake that they do because I think may feel well alternately make the job easier and make the organization easier to stomach for for Mark, Mark. Is this good day for the Browns? Ultimately, I think it's an inevitable day. I mean, it's it's never good that they that all the stuff that we think about Cleveland in a negative way the turnover whenever you other team. That successful finds a way to building a good football team should not be harder than solving major human illnesses and creating world peace, but the Browns make it seem that way. And it's it's good only. If the next decision is successful. And there's literally no way to know that I agree with Greg. You have to find the right coach, but they have hired every possible. Type of coach it's almost like someone on the dating scene where you are attached to someone that doesn't go. Well, so you swing so far on the pendulum to a different type of person to have a different type of relationship that doesn't go your book back again they've hired every you possibly can. So begs the question, and I know, Hugh, maybe the Browns or the issue in this is not the head coach. Maybe it goes above above what the head coach does. Well, that was always the owner in all before it's it's the top of the food chain. And you can look at this draft class the rookie class and say the Browns have identified their future quarterback running back number two receiver left tackle linebacker cornerback. And maybe even guard as future starters. Now. It's to be determined. Whether it's their stars or below average starters or above average starts, but that's a hell of a draft class. You can look at it optimistically. And then you say all right. I'm ready to trust. This team provided has lem turns the. Corner and the guy who stepped into draft Johnny Manziel, the guy who wanted to give up a second and third for AJ McCarron the guy who oversaw Hugh Jackson, averaging one win per season for three years, which no one in the NFL had ever done this guy decides the turn the team over to a poisonous personality and Greg Williams, and to me that's why it's not a good day for the Browns because the only coach I can take less seriously than Hugh Jackson in the NFL is Greg Williams, and you decided that this is what you're gonna do a guy who who style might fit a defensive room, but can never fit in offense of room and cannot fit. What's good for Baker Mayfield? I like I was all prepared to cut the Browns a break and say this is a good day. We're turning the page, and then you do that bovin TEZ burbot of NFL head coach is going to run your team. So you so they essentially punting on the season by putting installing Williams is that is that kind of how to look at are. They trying to save the season or are. They just kind of saying, that's it. I think they're saving the season. You just don't want to ruin these players that you brought in. But what could they have done? I mean, here's the thing. There was Haley was this issue to who? When you ever you go interim head coach literally any human being on the planet. I get that you I know you not alleles. I know you ought loan. I'm not I don't support, Dan. I don't support Greg Williams at all. It's just that the season is wash and in. Greg Williams is not the plan for the next five years the door shows the ongoing problematic decision making with the top of the food. I agree and the problem with with sports is that the owner there's no referendum on the owner of the owner isn't fired the owner sticks around and the owners now onto his fourth coach. And that's a major issue, including I think we're all in agreement that Bob Wiley was the best choice. But they just couldn't do that. It couldn't pull it off too many probably said, no, he said, no, I got a bunch of Lamborghini, maintenance bellies awesome. I'm just I'm I'm not I'm not fit for this job. But I do wonder Greg. What do you think about this because the owner? Ship is a major part of the the Browns issues, and what we were what was reported was that ownership was behind Hugh even as early as this morning and the GM was behind Haley. And ultimately, the decision was made to fire the coach is this possible at the owner said well, all right? You could fire, Hugh, but I'm not letting your guy be the interim head coach either. And then it's like if that's what's happening. It just shows you the the schism and the dysfunction is at all time levels. If it was that it was almost like, well, if you're taking away my toy I'm taking away my yours as well. I hope that's not what's happening here. I think it's it's partly what's happening. They're not making a decision. I mean, that's what keeping you Jackson felt like was not really making decision. And then this one not too in between Haley and Jackson. It's kind of not making a decision other than it mitt into everyone that they made entirely wrong decision. The last time out in January. I mean, unless unless there's someone in the building that police like Freddie kit. In is the next Sean McVay. But I haven't heard a lot of that hype. Although it's probably come you. Don't get that sense. But not yet Greg Williams, by the way has been there DC since last year he's been in league since nineteen ninety. He was a head coach from two thousand one to two thousand three with the bills. So it's not like you're handing the reins over to somebody. That's in over their heads or doesn't know how to sit in the big chair. It's just more optics thing. Williams was the face of one of the biggest controversies in the history of the league bountygate. And then you've seen him. He's actually been on three major NFL films productions in the last two years where he kind of comes off as a joke, quite frankly. So it is a very Browns moved. So you you the two guys in the power struggle both fired. Then you install maybe the least likely guy to get an interim job that you could imagine if you had to pick Wesley. I am not just again, I totally hear you on Greg Williams. I'm not backing the guy at all. I feel like people were saying players are losing faith in the Hugh. Jackson message. Well, that seems to happen to Greg Williams around season two as well. And so the whole thing the whole staff is going to be gone, and it if they wanted to hire someone other than Greg Williams, it's going to either be his son or it's going to be someone deeper down like a Kensington peasy aren't Alson L saying without Sandra. I don't know. But but this is not an organization that we trust to make good decisions right now. So they've made another one that is highly questionable and the team may fade into total unwatchable status in the next. They played the chiefs on Sunday. How will that go? Unwatchable you. Freddie kitchens is a Bruce Arians guy and he's a Todd Haley guy. But as far as my research has has gone. He's never called plays in the NFL. It what do you do change the entire playbook on Wednesday before you play the chiefs? We're gonna put up forty points on you. I like Byron left, which I think he could be your coach in January. Keep him moving up better. He could be your jets. Greg Williams, and these graphics that look great, and they do have a great defensive core with octa and board and Garrett and ogan Jobe, and he would think most of those especially Garrett and water going to be fine, regardless of the coach. But some of those are drafted because Greg Williams, you know, like them, and they his scheme, and they're all going to be in a new scheme next year. 'cause great Williams you've got to be there, which is essentially every Brown's offenses defensive player since two thousand and just to put a bow on this. It's it is market has to be frustrating though, you try to distance yourself from it. But you are highly passionate Browns fan really the most passionate fan of a team that I've ever known in my life and from that Thursday night when I was in the pit of despair after the Browns beat the jets. To just six weeks later. Whatever it is it just just when you think they're going to turn the corner. They don't but the here's the one Ray of light. I would say you you guys you blew the quarterback situation with Carson Wentz. You've actually got it. Right. It looks like with Baker Mayfield. Maybe they blew it by not firing Hughes sooner. But they end up landing the guy that they always wanted in January. It is you're back to this hope cycle. But you gotta get the coach in place, and you got just hope the owner an ownership and the GM's they learn from these mistakes because it's just not a good. Look you have to build a team that doesn't peak in week three. You have you have blue chambers now. And this is this is what's different about this Browns roster Denzel award and Myles Garrett are blue chip towns. Baker Mayfield looks like Nick chub could be that kinda guy. We don't know yet. And you've got to me I trust John Dorsey headed to guys did a great job in the off season. I think you know, the question is above John Dorsey is long as John Dorsey isn't sitting in his office right now. Realizing that he's in a power struggle with the owner and rally as well. I didn't wanna bring it up. That's bring. To bring it up. Is there is this is are we going to get a missive in January that John Dorsey has been relieved do then you're back to square one. I mean, the thing is there is more talent here than there was twelve months ago a lot more. That's what you hang your hat on. But they've hired the wrong. Coach two hundred fifty times in a row. I mean, come on. I am not able to look at this logically it sometimes I'm a little annoyed. Let's let's let's say goodbye now to Greg. Do you have any final thoughts? Greg. I know you were busy man, you're doing your thing you'd writing some Jackson debrief check it out on NFL dot com and set out to Greg Williams. You know, the double d community at always had mixed feelings about him. Gregg, Popovich, definitely gets it done. But we're hopeful you can turn the corner, but a community it is why last thought is, you know, a lot of hot takes on Twitter as there always are around the Browns and the hottest though, Mike Greenberg of ESPN who had this to say Baker mayfield's agents should demand a trade that kid has some magic in. They're going to ruin him. Wake miss of music again here. Baker mayfield's agents should demand trade that kid has some magic. And they're going to ruin him for the good of the sport, the hashtag Brown's should let him go. You know, you do if you're John let them go. If you're John Dorsey sell them to the patriots for a conditional twenty twenty four seventh rounder to go to fit well with Josh, Gordon, then go beat the bills forty seven to three tonight on Monday night football. And you know, it's especially rich this Greenberg character the jets fan calmed down by combat and a little bit beacon of overpaid talent that maybe it'd be like, oh, ho. Bunsen burner of load. All right there. He goes Greg back. That's close. It will be back on Tuesday tomorrow with our Twitter show at one thirty eastern one thirty Pacific four thirty eastern nine thirty in the UK, and then our Wednesday as scheduled audio just get more content. This isn't replacing a show. This is in addition. That's because it's an emergency podcast. I am conditionally obligated to thank David Ely for allowing me to do this. This was the terms of me stepping out of my other duties today. I could see Ely making that demand demand. It's we have a wonderful, and we're alive, though, wonderful relationship the two of us, David, Elliot. Good man with a big heart. Okay. This got a little weird. All right. We will be back tomorrow. Like, I said that has signing off four quiet star marks. Okay. Everybody. Stop twain asking he's fine. Maybe wait till has a couple of glasses of wine the mailman. The old boss and camelina by and the glass till Tuesday.

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Hue & Haley FIRED! (Week 8 Recap)

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Hue & Haley FIRED! (Week 8 Recap)

"Welcome to the Tomahawk show presented by uninterrupted. I'm your humble co-host edge joint as always guy. Joe thomas? We are in a scramble right now. Because we just got all the breaking news. We add the puck as sealed up presented ready to go. And then we got the bombshell. That is the Cleveland Browns shoe Jackson fired. Todd Haley fired we had to get going. We recorded and get reactions. What do you think right now, I was actually on the way to the moon with de LAN musk going to do a couple of week vacation, but in that space ship around and we got breaking news out of Berea that head coach and the offense coordinator have fared, and we race back into the studio to be with you to talk about this this day, which was on a little sad for me. Both you and I played for Hugh Jackson. You played for instance, natty. I think yeah, we both really liked him as a coach I've got a lot of respect for him. But we were guys that played a few years NFL. So. We understand the business out of things. I don't think either of us have never been on cited by something in the last five or six years of our career because we're reading the tea leaves. You don't fake it for eleven years in the NFL without being able to read without being able to read the tea leaves? That's coming out of the way. So going into the season. I think everybody knew this was a maker break seed in for Hugh you'd won one game in the previous two years. The new general manager that typically new general manager comes in and they're going to want to hire their own head coach hire their own people. So this was a trial season for you, basically a show big improvement. I thought eight Nate was what he needed to save his job. And it seems like the pressure of a losing from the last couple of seasons and then the some of the dysfunction behind closed doors and the building up of the devastating losses over two and a half years. Add head on. To Hugh, I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest. He started saying things in the media that were uncharacteristic a couple of weeks ago. He talked about maybe taking over the offensive game planning and the offense game calling. And I think the tensions got got to be too much. And I've thought John Dorsey was looking at his young team, especially as young quarterback. He felt like he needed to protect Baker and those young players from some of this function that was bubbling up specifically the power struggle. If you wanna call it between, Hugh and Todd Haley, and I think, unfortunately, he felt had to be done, and he fired Oto guys, which he was a little bit of a surprise. I thought they'd fire one or the other but firing both of them clearly speaks to the dysfunction that was happening behind closed doors, and the fact that John Dorsey felt like you needed to get rid of all the cancer in the body and give Baker Mayfield sunshines and roses for the rest. Of the season to try to continue that maturation progress and process at that rookie is going on. Here's my here's my thing when Hugh Jackson, and like, you said, we have a great relationship with you as a person would also died. He was a good coach to be honest. And I understand is the result driven business in Hugh understands that too he's one of the people who who taught as that to be honest like this the NFL you're either catching passes or you're not in the NFL. It will block that blindside the end or you're not going to be here, you either need to win football games, or you won't be the head coach that being said the reason why people like to call us, a huge and apologised. But the reason why that is because I played on that twenty sixteenths team. I wasn't a twenty seventeen are twenty sixteen team went one fifteen. We were veterans in that camp we much so many veterans get cut with a new analytic approach that was out of the hands of Hugh Jackson at the time that would've made our football team. Not just a little bit better exponentially, exponential exponentially better, right. And whenever we've seen that that will first year in my career ever all of my years of plan football where I will go into games and think to myself. Yeah, there's no way can win this game. We are not good enough. Right. And I've never been a part of a team like that. And I'm not saying I've been a part of all great teams that's point eight by NFL standards. We will play with half a deck. So. With that being said, I'm like man, that's kinda come to this service. But that kind of roster and expect him to make sugar outta shit. But again at what you sign up for because the Cleveland Browns weren't cute only head coaching offer. So you have to know you sign a contract. It doesn't matter. What we do in this house is what we do. And you better make a winner out of it or resolves will take care of it itself now with the firing both Todd Haley, and Hugh, I can honestly say I've seen that coming because I don't know exactly how on doors make the decisions, but I know has them if you remember back to the pet and and Ray farmer situation. It was very similar. We do that year. Twenty fifteen. There was turmoil that everyone locked room ca field between the head coach in the front office. This guy should be plan that guy should be playing. This move should be made at move into debate. And they were trying to Pitie pity other against each other that the other one the prevail as the person who stayed on. And what hasn't did was he threw the whole the whole body away. Over I'll show you guys. Yeah. Exactly. Don't pick. It's like a parent when they're bickering back. Nobody gets the toy. Exactly, nobody gets. That's Chris Jewish. This power struggle that we've all been seeing since hard knocks whether warranted or not has them as like. Well, look, I'm not gonna sit here. Go back and forth. The joy about who. Is it? Both you go. We we're not what we need to be. Anyway, what are we to another losing record? We do have a young a good young quarterback. So we made that right decision. Whether that was Dorsey or whoever so, yeah, we're fine. We'll start over from scratch the rest of the year is going to be a rebuilding near because you can't expect to fire your coaches, then expect to win games or this season. We might do better than what we expect. But the reality is no one is which isn't gets better. So that being said they'll get an early jump on the head coaching search now the first team on the Mark looking for a coach, and we're not even at the halfway point yet. So they should have their pick of the litter. They should be able to save the coins up go after who they want to get to Baker Mayfield is exciting. This defense is exciting. Grape Williams has has this deepens playing. Well, they have bows Garrett, maybe a future deep ally. They have Dinsdale ward who is. Playing like a season veteran. So this is a little more exciting job than it was two years ago. Right. And I think that was the thought process in for us purposes. If like, yeah, you may have done let's say he went to eight Nate that doesn't mean he would hit. What have a longer leash? It John Ducey wants his guy. He will. Let's his own. You don't wanna a relationship that the other person doesn't want to be? I don't care how much you love 'em. How much you wanna put your if they don't want to be there? They don't want you there cut ties. It's like pulling a ended up. Yes. Go you're as mad. It was similar to the Josh Gordon. I JJ in Brown's didn't mix. Well, let him go. Yes. We could use the deep threat. But at the better since we're going to be better for it. He's going to be better for it in the same. Goes it didn't matter if he was able to put a band aid on it John Dorsey wants his own guy. If he if he didn't get to pick his I would GM like, the do it just prolong the inevitable to be on it. So that's my take on it. When you got hired in Cleveland. He had San Francisco forty Niners giants and the Bengals basically all offered him their head coaching job incensio. It was going to be after Marvin decides to step away. But you got a lot of options. I mean, he was the most coveted coach that offseason because of the experience you had it in Oakland. You took an Oakland team to eight out read in the playoffs and got fired after one season he had shown time and time again that he was a good offense coordinator at a number of different places, including Oakland and Cincinnati. And I think he was in office acquired ended Atlanta as well. And for me, personally, some of the reasons that I liked him. As a head coach that he was a good coach. Because I thought he was good at motivating his players. I thought he was good at motivating and leadings coaches he got the team to play really hard and the two seasons that I was there with that. We were one and fifteen and sixteen which is not an easy task as very difficult to keep the team together to keep a team improving playing hard down the stretch when you're that bad. And you know that everybody on the team knows you don't have enough talent to win. I thought he was a good football mind. I sat in those meetings. I I've got a lot of oftens coordinators. I've had a lot of head coach hue as the top of that list of guys as far as football minds understands offense defense inspect teams, but there was also a little bit of a soft spot in my heart form because I feel like he was hired under false pretenses a little bit in Cleveland. Yes. You came to Cleveland thinking that he was going to be building us from day one to try to compete for championship. And he's not there in the first thing they started doing was getting rid of all their players in an attempt to. To for lack of other words, Ripa down to the studs. Save salary cap space and draft picks for few years and then try to build it back up. Well, this is the time now that they're trying to build it back up. But unfortunately, losing has a way of changing people, especially a guy like, Hugh that is so competitive that honestly, I feel like knowing Hugh those first couple years, and then we're he is right now, I think mentally that amount of losing pressure over those two and a half years potentially. Couldn't have changed him as head coach as a person right now almost as if I'm getting his head right now. I'm thinking that he is maybe almost relieved to to have been fired because the pressure becomes so great. You feel like you're saying stuff, and you're doing things maybe you don't even recognize yourself as doing like, for instance, the things that he said after that game a couple of weeks ago where he said, you know, I wanted to be more involved in the offense. I need to get this thing, right? I basically kind of saying I want to take over the role as offense coordinator to me that wasn't the Hugh that I know that I had come to love as a head coach. And I think like I mentioned the the stress and the pressure of going in and putting everything you have in game plan every single week only to lose. I think you can crack, and I'm not gonna say he cracked. But definitely I want to say that the pressure and that stress had gotten Newman, he's probably feel an almost a sense of relief because for the whole year he had had seen this ball rolling towards getting fired because everybody knows like you mentioned John Morsi. It's his job. He gets choose the head coach. And even ain't Nate that might buy you a year, but the second that things aren't going. Well, and he has a reason to fire you he might do that. Because you're even though everyone always says that trains are hitched together. And you're all pulling the thing in the same direction. That's not always true. Because in the end one guy has the power. He's gonna want to hire his guy. That's just the way it is in the NFL. I agree. I agree. And I I do give a pin. I get it. Like, it's it's he was one in thirty one in the first two years, and he this year what to four and one is at the record to five and one run one though with what three and thirty six and one of the worst all time worst all time records, and I get it. But I can promise you we were on one of the worst all time teams. That's that's no slight to anybody. It's the reality of it. I was I'm a player on that team. So what what do I get a say in that we sucked I would go into games and things like, man. There's no way we could win. It felt we were playing on a college football team against grown men. And some of those games. You know, me you we would have the conversation, man. And it wasn't that we weren't gonna fight. Of course, we were fighting. Everybody was fighting. Everybody was putting the best before. And it just wasn't enough man to but that wears on you. And I think I think a lot of ways that were on Hugh because he was given everything he had he was doing the things. He knew were successful in different places. But it just doesn't work when you don't have the talent. And I think that wears on you like, you know, by the end of my career losing it wore on me. I mean, it changes you mentally. I would go home, and like, honestly, I would cry. I would get pissed off the people because like, you know, you're doing everything you possibly can in the results still aren't there and emotionally it's hard to as a man except that had just it's it's so difficult. It changes. You really does it makes you bad person? I'm going to rehab right now trying to become a better person. After like all that losing that. I had to Cleveland people don't understand that. That is so true met you. I mean, you get home, and I would have to sit in the driveway for thirty and forty minutes just to like wash the day off. So I didn't take it home. And and not wanna play with my kids. You know? That's why I retired. That's why I had acid. I'm like this is going to kill me. You know? But but that's how bad it was. And it was nothing. You could do or anybody could do we were everybody was working art? We practice hard. Every they the players we had what do we have a twenty five rookies on the team thirty rookie. It was a. Wow. But they were too young and dumb dependent on him better. I didn't know any better. They work time. The team meeting was there just. I'm just trying to figure out the latest day after the show up at meetings on time. It worked hard they didn't know they could just mail it in. So nobody was in. We just weren't enough. That Hugh was the coast ahead through that. But the record is the record results driven business. And here we are going to question for you. Where do the Browns go from here? What the rest of the season. Look like, you know, what I mean? The one thing for the players. The reason why this is good. You know, notwithstanding you Todd Haley, whatever the dysfunction would have sent the team into a spiral. And I think that's kind of what you've seen him Pittsburgh that they weren't even though they've been in what four overtime they've been very very close games in that game. They didn't even they didn't look at the same. And like I said what he's fifteen was one of those years where the turmoil between the front office and the head coach or within the coaching staffs got into the locker room, we felt it. And it was almost like man what we're kind of wasting our time, and we played way worse than our talent was that season. Because we realized that things were happening that were bigger than us that we're going to prevent us from winning anyway now again, so I say all that to say, I could see them still winning a couple of games if they get somebody in there to kind of get rid of the turmoil, and they can just go talent for talent. They're going to be better than some of the teams. They play Baker still a good quarterback doesn't have a deep threat doesn't have a guy distress to feel. It's going to hurt him. It's gonna live with him. But the defense is still really good. Bakers is good enough at this point as a rookie, and they still have weapons that they'll sneak a couple of wins in, but you know, the drill benefits that they get a head head head start in the coaching search. But here's the thing about here's the thing about Haley to and this is what I didn't like about the hard knocks episode, and I get everyone's like, oh, Hugh is so not open. And again, I don't wanna seem like I'm one-sided in this. But whatever I didn't I didn't like the turmoil in hard nuts. It seem angling to me. You not. I mean like the interaction between Haley and Hugh like an. Coaches. Do this all the time. You get on hard nuts. It is. It's an interview is an interview for the general public is when the general public started says, you're the next head coach, you're the guy and the writer start to write about it. And the coaches are sending messages to the writers. And you know, they're giving them tips here and there so they put them in the articles. They say, hey, this guy's next head coach owners read that it's how you figure out who your next head coach, isn't it in the hard knock situation seemed a little anglin. I love you to death. He did it to he did in Cincinnati. He he put himself on display. What people got excited about him as a head coach. That's fine. I'm okay with the marketing of it. But when it's something like that. And there was at such a delicate situation. It's no surprise as the see. How this turmoil has bought up into now. It was again, prolong the inevitable isn't exactly what I expected when I seen that exchange so early on in the process. Yeah. And you talked about turmoil. We recorded this morning, and we were talking about what happened with the Browns yesterday in Pittsburgh. And we said, you know, the second half they just didn't look like the same team. We've seen. In all season. They didn't have the same fight. They didn't have the same focus, and you know, a lot of people say they quipped on the stretch. But they just didn't have that fight that we'd seen and the first half was was different. They were fighting. They were playing they're right in it. And what I'm going to attribute that to is the turmoil in the turmoil in that staff at bled into that locker room and the players were feeling it and it was affecting their play on the field. And clearly, I think John Dorsey and Jimmy has DSM sought and that's most likely why they made the move right now. They didn't want that to snowball even further and back the minds, and the mindset in the preparation of all those young players in that locker room because by and large veterans are able to block out the noise they're able to focus on their job. They're able to come into work and do their jobs and do it as well as they possibly can no matter what the circumstances. But a rookie rookies they have a hard time doing that. And clearly, I think John Dorsey was sensitive that and that's why he decided to make the move. Yeah. I mean, it's just like this, man. Last year, Ben Rothlisberger. And Todd Haley had a various similar fallout in in Pittsburgh. It was like one of the situations. Where I I heard basically it was like you talk about all the Ben retirement talk. Some a lot of it stemmed from his relationship with with Todd Haley, which is why they made a move that people were surprised that. Because of this deal is put up big numbers. Everybody was rolling and even some of the office of woes this year is because they have a brand new play caller and people are still getting used to them yet living on Bell's not there. But you know, we haven't seen a Willie go off the way we seen him go and everything just looks. They haven't been doesn't even look the same guy. Sometimes and a lot of that happened from the Todd Haley situation Todd Haley as very alpha personality, he was alpha personality, it didn't mix more than that. You can't go three and thirty six in and be surprised at anything. That happens thereafter, right? Here's the silver lining for Browns fans. You have a quarterback future who we love him. He's his personality is so well with Cleveland is. To build on for years and years to come after the has looms this is the first time they're in that situation. That's something. They do not want to mess up because they know first hand how hard is to get that. So that's the one piece they do know they have. And then they credit John Dorsey where the guy that got him for it. So John Dorsey would have say goes, you find us a quarterback that nobody else could let's build it from there. And honestly, the only way to go from here is up as a jealous person. It's human nature to be jealous. Every time a coach gets fired. I'm always thinking, man. I'm so jealous. They had guaranteed contracts. I wonder what he's getting paid. And I wonder how much left of that contract. So all right Todd. Haley has been in Cleveland for a games you got hired in the off season. I'm sure he got a multi year contract, right? You've probably got three years. I don't know six seven eight million bucks knows. I I'd love to find out. The coaches contracts are not like players contracts up, but we can formation unless they're agent goes and snatches to the media, which they usually do because they. Beat their chest about how great they are as an Asia. Look money got outta Healy a ten year contract for one hundred million. But we don't really know what Todd who these contracts, but let's just say he signed a four year eight million deal in the offseason. He's coached eight games and just got fired. So he's going to get paid the rest of the deal. So basically, just if we're just assuming he got paid million a year offensive coordinator million a game, it'd be offensive coordinator in the NFL. So he's got fired. He's probably still feeling pretty happy two times a month when he goes and takes his walked his mailbox picks up. This check his the real winner. Here. He went everywhere is the real winner today as a good point. So. The day dot Aley. Even though go to the week. He just got hired and he's got some guaranteed money come into him for a few years Mansa who who are the candidates for the Browns. The have any candidates in my job is to idea. You know, everyone wants to say that Lincoln Riley, who's the head coach at Oklahoma is going to be the next guy because he's so creative. And he's got this great offense of mine. But personally, I'm not always a big fan of going into the college ranks because I think being a college head coach is so drastically different than being an NFL head coach it's almost impossible to predict if you can be a good NFL coach based on what you do in college. Because by and large the three most important things to be in a successful college head coach our recruiting recruiting and recruiting and then after that odor. Okay. A developing talent. And you gotta have a good offense and defensive coordinator. But other than that. It's all about the talent that you bring in. Yeah. And in the NFL, you have your absolutely nothing to do with the talent that gets there. Because generally, your general manager is the one that brings in the talent he's evaluating it and there's a draft. So you can't just have better boosters like Alabama and better recruiters that you get all the best talent. So in the NFL for the most part except for the quarterback position talent is somewhat level across the league from top to bottom, and in the NFL, it's about managing rich adult personalities because no matter who you are as head coach or coach in the NFL. You're gonna have a lot of guys in that team that are making a heck of a lot more money than you. There are a lot more famous. They're lot more powerful. And they're going to tell you know, if you tell them something in a meeting, and you got to understand how to manage and handle people so much more. Because when you're a college coach, you're basically the governor of the state, you're the president of the university, you're the most powerful influential person, and if you've got some eighteen year olds it face. Kid telling you know, you're gonna tell them go pound sand ago run stadium steps until you get tired. And if he'll out say pizza face pizza face. So I I'm not saying Lincoln Riley couldn't be a good head coach. But I'm just saying it's difficult to predict because the skill set you need in the NFL level is completely different than what it takes to have success at college. Yeah. And I I do agree. The only caveat to that is the NFL has changed him in. It really is. And I know that's really blanketed statement. But the reality is go out on a limb. These guys are young, and they need to be related to so the benefit of a college coach in this climate of the NFL as you see all these young guys Joe is we played towards the end of our career. We felt like dinosaurs in that locker room this twenty sixteen insanity. We felt like we were a hundred years old because we couldn't relate whatsoever. Tell me if I'm wrong, but we got along better out assoc. Sial level with Kyle Shanahan a lot of our teammates. Because you're a lot closer in age with him. I. Yeah, we thirty seven he's like four years older than me. I was playing with a bunch of guys that were twenty one twenty two when I was in my thirties. Right. I'm hanging. I still hang out with the coaches on that stab. We're we're closer in age. Then then the player so the benefit of bringing a college coach is because they know how to deal with those young personalities, they relate to them better because they've seen that kind of evolution before NFL coaches. Have who are still doing it all school who are still doing different fifteen twenty years ago, which is the profile the player has changed? So guys like like a rally kinda excite me guys like Matt Campbell in Iowa State. Kind of excite me off its of guru understand jumping players get the most out of his guy is turned a program around Arab Yemi out in Kansas City. The thing they're doing with that office with with Pat Mahomes who yes, he's a different player than Baker Mayfield. But they're getting super creative. They're using their weapons. I think those kind of guys we should be looking for Cleveland are boys and girls a one name. For us that you need to keep an eye on that. I think would a would be a perfect fit in be. I think he would be that young smart relatable offense of mind that would be an excellent head coach that I think he is going to be highly coveted and just watch the Browns might go after this guy. And that's Matt leflore, you know, his brother from his time in Cleveland. Matlock floor is a Kyle Shanahan disciple. Just like Sean McVay is he runs the same type of offense. He is currently often to coordinate for the Tennessee titans. I'm not saying Marcus mariota has set the world on fire this year. But I think he's playing better. He's running an offense that fits his skill set. And I think Baker Mayfield has a skill set. That would also do really well in this offense. Could you go? You just watch. I'm telling you right now. Matt leflore might be the front runner for the Browns job. I like that. I do like that name a lot, man. You're right because the offenses it is tailor fit to to Baker Mayfield. All right enough, Brown stuff. I think we need to. Move on to the rest of the show. Yes, that's very good idea. If you're listening, again, make sure you're going to Twitter and retweeting amount. So how do we learn? What you doc? It's time to go read sweet the mount due to like. The most important thing. That's happened today. Ritually? We've got breaking news. Did you read them on dudes me they're going to build me as agile when thousands, and it is it's all browse kingdom is talking about today. And then also Hugh Jackson. Oh, man, you to liable. Uber nickel. I think that's good with the breaking news. We had here in Brown's fandom. Let's get back to our regular show. Welcome to the Tomahawk show, presented by LeBron James's uninterrupted, please interact with the show by following us on social at Tom hawk show in force v. Shirt a hashtag Tomahawk with you as always my co-host. Andrew Hawkins myself. Joe Thomas and the lovely germ. Everybody's favourite Cleveland Browns maniac in all Cleveland sports fan. Are you guys doing today? Joe were doing all right. There's some turmoil around the Browns, but you know, not any hadn't heard about it. Yeah. I don't know if you guys are up to date turmoil. What three other up to date on on the drama? But you know, what I'm not letting it ruin my weekends anymore. You know? So we're we're doing. All right. It's going on with dots. On the thoughts on the Red Sox winning the within the series. I'm gonna be honest. I didn't watch one minute of the World Series. Yeah. Well, welcome to the rest of America. Because I don't think anybody watches baseball. Born. We gotta ask we gotta bring a net, of course, as always we've got natty ice here. She's at Californian and the dodgers were in the world sushi's. Probably a giants fan super giants. Were you one of the few people in the world that watch the World Series this year? I probably only watched like five minutes of it. But all I'm gonna say is. Yes, I'm a giants fan. So I'm just happy to dodgers laws. Oh, there you go. You go that makes sense. I guess they're they're kinda rivals. I'm not. I'm not a big baseball guy. Cheer for a couple of teams. I grew up in Milwaukee so cheer for the brewers, which the female must made it. We were really excited. I think being from a small state in Wisconsin and a small market team. When when your team has success and you get close to the World Series. It brings an excitement through the neighborhood through the state because not only if you're not a brewers fan. But like if you're a bar owner or you on a business like there's a huge uptick. Economics from having like a small market team have so much success. So it's easy to jump on the bandwagon. But also cheer for the Indians, obviously have been Cleveland for eleven plus years. And even though I'm not diehard fans. I still like to watch games when they're on. And they're playing meaningful baseball. But hawk were you a pirates fan growing up being a PA? No, I was a I was at Yankee fan because I was a fan of win a lot. So I mean, I wasn't like I live like sixty miles out of Pittsburgh, which is like everyone where I'm from Pittsburgh Steeler country is pirates that I wasn't so close that I was like super-duper invested. So I would just kind of cling to players or great teams in the Yankees or one of those teams, but I did play until I was sixteen years old baseball. Yeah. So born I would pray that I was pretty good. I mean. It was like I wasn't going yard very often. I was a little guy, but I will consistently get on base. And if I got on base, I would still every single pitch and no one could throw them out. I was a pretty good fielder. And then like for the last four years of my baseball or three years of my baseball career. Like so pony in a coat. I was just pinch running. And I'm like, dude, what am I doing here? This is like the biggest waste of my time between practice and games are forever. I sit on the bench when the dude who hits the fence every time gets on base after run for him. And that's all that. So I hung up. So basically, you're to base exactly. I was taken up rosina's. Mutt? So it was and you had a small strike zone. So that was a big part of it. They walked you'll get load. My knee is on my kneecap in my stance. Could you imagine? If the brewers would have played the Astros in this World Series that would have been saved my I would have been. I know. I mean, I love the teams, but from a national appetite perspective, I don't know if they would have made the the TV available or the the game of on national television. The rate in the ratings for this World Series of terrible. So I don't wanna push back. Yeah. I'm pushing back on that notion because I feel like across America in baseball if it's small market teams. And maybe this goes for anything like the team, that's the perennial underdog the small market that doesn't have a chance it gives people across the country somebody to cheer for. But if it's the dodgers and the Red Sox. These giant salaried rosters full of just paid players that are bought because they have a bigger city in a bigger TV contract. And there's no salary cap in baseball. Nobody really cares. Like those are teams that people don't wanna see either one of those teams win. So unless you're like in L A and your hardcore Dodger's fan or you're in Boston. And you're not somehow not tired of winning world champ spy now after watching the patriots, and the Celtics and the Red Sox win so much in the last twenty five years, and you actually care and you're still tuning in. I just feel like nobody cares. Nobody wants to see the Boston area win any more than they already have. But what about when it's to underdogs like no one wants to watch to underdogs play together. That's a good point. If it was if it was like, Boston versus Milwaukee. Yeah. Like, I could see that. Because then we'd all cling to the end dog and the rest are I'll give you that. So it needed to be one hundred dog. But if it was like. But it sucks. Nobody's watching like Rudy do one on ones with Rudy. Let's call high school football Rudy when a team of Rudy isn't a move away. Nobody's going to watch that. That's Jonestown Friday exact wants to watch that. All right. Well, let's let's get into through. Let's not. Let's talk about my version of the LeBron hug happened this week when let's talk about and do tweet in me. That was cool. That was a moment when you guys it's funny because we were just talking about the best night's of our live that was benched night in my life. I screen shot at it. I sent it to all my friends, and for those of you don't know don't have a Twitter mountain dew must have obviously they're huge fans the Tomahawk show they listened in. They tweeted me and the show and they said okay game on their twenty thousand people in your hometown. If you get twenty thousand retweets on this tweet mountain dew will build a statue for Andrew Hawkins day. And that was even enough for me, the tweet I'm just gonna build a statue out of that. That was like I said my version of the LeBron hook. We're like twenty five hundred retweets. Oh almost there. Yes. It's called war. Just a few more in. I'm going to have that flow. Oh and green statue of mount. So I wonder are they gonna make a wax figurine or they're gonna make it out of bronze and mother go to Italy and get a block of granite in my mind Michelangelo, chip it out for them in my mind was up it'll be somewhere between there. It'll be a clear plastic statue with the whole atop that you could just fill up with mountain dew. And as the mountain dew goes to the top it starts to fill out with with the statue is and you can see all the features. And that's how I've been dreaming about it. So if you're listening, and you have a Twitter, even if you don't have to go created Twitter, we have what how many how many listen to do. We get episode. You remember were over one hundred thousand one hundred ninety eight thousand on a low we hundred ninety so all we need is twenty five percent or less. Yes. Not hundred ninety eight thousand since the math is off. Now that you've lied. And we get an Andrew Hawkins hollow Moundou statue. Oh, they didn't say what size, but it'll be awesome. But do you do you realize there's not anything more in life that makes sense than me having amount due statute? But you recently told us you were trying to dry out your mountain dew habit reversed now that mountain dew has shouted you out on social media undo heard that you are trying to ease up on on new spiracy theory, probably the number one consumer of mountain dew in the country, and they're like ocean fit where about the lose quick knowing about social make happen, otherwise they're probably gonna start losing money if I stopped drinking mountain dew Bill probably go under. Yeah. They thought their sales start to drop in the New York LA area. They're checking my own. They're like, oh something's not right. Get our top analysts in here. We'll put a pin in that. But if you're listening go re tweet the tweet it's on Joe, social on my social, and I need this on do statue on very needy right now. It's like the LeBron hook. It's LeBron hug her around the world be about do. All right, man. It's time to get to three and out. Let's start talking some foosball. Right. So my first three out here. I down. Are we not giving the Carolina Panthers enough love right now? They're five and two and they just throttled. The Baltimore Ravens on Sunday to me. They look legit. They came back from a big deficit a couple of weeks ago against the eagles and Kim Newman is playing lights out right now. Their defense is is playing really well, this is a complete team. This is a difficult team for anybody to face. And I'm believing in my I've been kind of on the bandwagon for a little while. They've they've got some good wins. Obviously, I mentioned the comeback against the eagles. The throttling of the ravens they beat the Bengals by ten and. Of course, they beat the Cowboys in the giants, but not as impressive. But I like I like the Panthers. I think Cam Newton like I mentioned is playing great running the ball while they know what Christian McCaffrey is. All over. I'm just a big fan. Yeah. Like the Panthers to I picked the Panthers to win this week. I'm a big Cam Newton fan. They have a bunch of versatile players at the receiver position. Where I always look especially for a guy like Cam who if he doesn't have it. It's not is he's not gonna be able to maximize value. I don't think they have anybody to write home about quite yet. They have a young guy who DJ more rookie wet think is going to be good Curtis. Samuel is a versatile guy gets runs out of the backfield. He catches the rock, but he doesn't have like that one guy like that Steve Smith security blanket, great Olson was typically his deep threat to be honest down the middle. But Greg Olsen is fifty one years old knows knows worry was when we put a man on the moon. He's like that old. So he's not quite stretched in the field. But if he had that I would I would feel better about the Panthers like long term trajectory. They're just they're just a good team. To me that'll be out in the second round. At the latest of the playoffs. Wow. Okay. All right. Second down. Are you buying that shit down my bad? Good. No, no. That was good. I thought that was the appropriate amount of time to spend on first down after that you just beating a dead horse. We're saying the same thing we're by. We're both buying the Carolina Panthers. All at school football on three yards in the cloud of dust on. I I like it. Let's move on. Are you buying or selling Houston Texans? They are coming off their fifth consecutive win on Thursday night. They throttled the dolphins by almost twenty points. And they're looking pretty good to Shawn Watson, all of a sudden he's looking like, Michael Jordan, just like we said in the offseason shifts like we caught it look. I'd never understood what people were giving. The Shawn Watson crap. Like, he wasn't good anymore. Like he was still putting up really good numbers. Even when they were like, oh, he made some bad decisions or he wasn't doing Nassar. He was taking hits he was still consistently passed over three hundred plus yards. So I didn't really get it. I know it would take time for him to kind of bounce. Back from that injury. But he's played the way I thought he was he was killing it last year. It was Carson Wentz kind of going naked neck and even now even Carson they've both got a bounce back. And they're getting pretty close to that form the head last year. Well, I think this is just the classic nature of the NFL were every fan in every media member, they want overreact, everything they wanna be full of hyperbole. So when to Shawn Watson has like a crappy game, he's horrible. He's going to be a bust. Everybody wants to get labeled either a bust or an all pro there's like nobody in between. And for me. I see Shawn Watson sort of inbetween. He's kind of like a top fifteen guy but not much better than that yet. I mean, I think he's got a big huge high ceiling or right now, he's kind of in the middle of the pack for me, which is not a bad thing. Because we got a ton of franchise quarterbacks right now in the NFL. He does a lot of really good things. I get a little bit concerned about the hit city takes because durability could be. Factor. But you know, what? Like, I mentioned on my Twitter this week Bill O'Brien apparently is a massive Tomahawk fan because early in the season when the ogling we said stock coaching him and putting an offense around him. Like he's Tom Brady. He's not that's not what he does best. He needs to be running these play action. Get them running get the ball to the edges and then give him the Kyle Shanahan offense. Right where he's able to buy time with the play action pass is super speedy receivers able to run down the field. You don't have to put so much pressure on the office of line to just stand back there and block for a spot in the pocket. And then that will also give the Shawn Watson opportunity to make a ad-lib plays within the confines of the offense rather than just having him. Stand back in the pocket for three seconds. And then try to find a lame. Right. So he is clearly he has in Bill Brian clearly listened because they've changed what they emphasize. I think he even used to be talked about it this week how they're running. So much more play action. The running the ball to the edges more which gets those linebackers to suck downhill create separation between your secondary and your linebackers and deandre Hopkins is benefiting he's playing outstanding is doing a great job for Shawn Watson. And I'm not exactly totally buying the fact that the Texans are for real because I think as a team they really haven't faced and beat anybody that good if you look at their schedule they've the last five games. The dolphins Jaguars the bills the Cowboys in the colts. There's not a playoff team in there. Let's be honest the dolphin. I thought we're actually pretty decent early on the year right now have Brock Osweiler as quarterback in his head that we saw in Cleveland, and we'll be thoughts. I I'm not ready to say that he's going to the hall of fame. He's a good leader a good guy. But I wouldn't put him in my top thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Okay. You had wasn't at fifteen issue. Got them right in the middle. I think he's right now. He's a middle of the pack with a ceiling to go much higher. I think he stopped in. Wow. Maybe we're going to have to do a Andrew Hawkins top ten quarterback draft. And let me ridicule it that has to be after my top fifteen left tackle draft. I couldn't end you fifty left tackle. I couldn't have you tend to starting left tackle them the NFL right now, you got any takes on the Houston. Texans. And you just wanna talk left tackles, a love talk left tackles. I already gave my Houston, Texas. Take three more yards and a cloud of death is good third down. Thirty four stood. Should the refs beginning fired? Midseason? We saw Hugo crews get fired last week. He was the guy that if you don't remember he missed really blatant false start in the chargers. Versus the Browns game that resulted in a touchdown in that game. If you guys remember, I know you guys are huge Browns fans, but there may be a couple of people out there that didn't see the game. Russell Okun jumped off sides clearly while before the snap old bunch of the Browns defenders just stopped because they everyone sought in even Russell ogling stopped and Philip rivers continued the play through touchdown pass. They never threw a flag and the touchdown was good. So the NFL came out and actually fired the guy hawk do you think? It's a good idea that the NFL just starts firing officials midseason. Yes. Yes. For the sport. I think it's a good idea. If you make bad calls like that get rid of him. I think the fans would appreciate it so many times, but she's the Browns fan when you're watching these games you see these crucial plays. He's missed calls that are blatant that we all know should have been called. We know they're MS calls, and there was never any audience facing consequence for it does ruin the game for people a little bit. Like, there's no big deal Browns fans, although we didn't get that win. And although that was a huge play in the game. I say they felt better about that. That guy had the consequences for us losing. Because we care about it. And honestly, I think it'll help but the checks and balances months refs, make the call make the right calls or within your home. Just like we do the players. Heartache I actually think it's a bad decision. Because what we're going to see now is if this is the status quo if an official MRs one call that's high profile now the public perception. And the public pressure is going to mount against that guy. And I think the NFL will be unjustly firing guys and replacing him with people that aren't ready because that public perceptions always going to mount after a game and the pressure is gonna amount and they're going to have to fire these guys who by and large could be really good official. So I think it's more important. And I think it's a better strategy to wait at the end of the season after you have sixteen games of data to look at it. And then decide okay. This is a rough we want or we don't want and we can replace him with somebody better. Just the way GM would do right. He's gonna look and say, you know, Andrew Hawkins is not a very good slot anymore. But is there somebody better we can replace them with he dropped that critical play? The public pressure is mounting on him. But we don't have a better. Option. So we can't get rid of them because the public is out there with their pitch force. Yeah. But the I've been fired midseason before. Yeah. Because they had a better replacement. But we don't know if that's the case thought they had a visual placement. Thought had a better replacement. I don't think this is just like a, hey, you made one bad call you. It's not. No, no, you're right. It's not the they said that it was because of consistently bad remarks. Right. Not remarks grades, right? So it's like this was the icing on the cake. So we can't be scared to replace him with bad risks. If he himself is a bad ref. You don't have much to lose. That's that's a good take Andrew. I like what you're saying. But I I still disagree. Wait until after the season. Then get rid of him. His name was Hugo. Yeah. Here. Here's one more take on officials though. This is what I would like to see more of I would like to see more accountability to the media with officials right after game. They do talk to the media kind of briefly. But I think we need to be more media villa ability for ficials to have to explain themselves to be grilled the same way players and coaches are. So that we can like more clear understandings of what happened out there on the field. I feel like forever and ever the NFL has coddled their officials and protected them from the media. Unlike the way that the players and coaches are just ambassad consistently from media and fans, and I I think we need to stop it. The game is too important. There's too many high stakes right now in the NFL, especially with legalized gambling and officials have too much to do with the outcome of the game to protect them away. The NFL does I agree that that's a that's a really good take. I think it should be. A circle of life because everybody is important to the game. Now, everybody should have media mail ability. Even the media, I should be eight West Point. I like that I should be able to interview the media and stuff. Like, I explain yourself. Now, do you know, what covered to isn't? Why we wouldn't that covers?

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And you had to see this coming Hugh, you want probably what four five games in the last three years. So it's not like they were wrong. The rate at three wins three wins in the last two plus years. I thought it was more than that. They got to do this year. And he had won the tires a win win ties. It's a win. And that's for you it coming, but they should have given him more time. I feel like with the new quarterback with the new players the draft picks. You brought in this is not his fault. The disorganization has been a disaster, regardless of who's quarterbacking and whose head coaching over the last decade, am I right or wrong. You're right. I mean, they've been a disaster since they've come back into the week essentially and they've got one playoff year since nineteen ninety nine where do you go from here who's fault? Is it you said it's not his fault who is management getting the groceries. I can't eat. This is horrible who's gonna groceries who who is responsible for putting this mess together? I'm doing my best job to get this mess structured and get them in the understanding that we can win guys. You're getting a check stop taking a skate mass back there and picking up to chick and take it off in earn. It. Earn it. This is the San is on a rich Eisen show. Having a wonderful time today, which is getting into it. And I'm already getting heat of them already starting to perspire. Because this bothers me upsets me that you have organization this bad, and you want assess blame to coach I'm not gonna say he's a Bella check type of coach, but he's not horrific. He was making strides to shoot a whole attitude was changing, but you really place blame on him. Just when you starting to turn them around. I feel like they were win five games this year. And they've been in almost every game except maybe a couple of they've been in almost every game. Where do they go from here though? Would you rather have seen them fire? Todd Haley, you're not gonna. Yeah. But the easy fire is Hugh, not see now, he'll is going to have a tough time landed on his feet. Todd bounces Todd is a tennis ball. He's been able to balance from situation the situation situation situation. Now, I'm not going to bring the ethnicity into this. But if you Jackson get was confrontational at every stop that he's ever been at I don't think he would be employed right now. But yet still Todd Haley is. Despondent at the moment. It's not right. So why didn't? So last week Hugh gums post game and says he's going to get more involved in the offense coming. No. But then he backed off saying he wasn't going to take over play calling duty. Why didn't he just fire Todd Haley, then and maybe you don't have the thorny when you win two games three games in the last three years. What thirty do you have new shots? Matter of fact is firing. They and Cleveland, isn't it? Then Taryn Lou get terror on Lou Tyronn Lue got it over the weekend. You got over the week. What did they expect for him at the LeBron leaves? What was the expectation? What are you going to raleigh's? Is what can you do the goat left? Now you want me to win away. It's no way. So he got a role Dili's. Well, so let's go back to the Browns for second. So a lot of people thought rich set it weren't gonna pick in the top five might win six seven games people thought maybe they could challenge for a plow spot. So it doesn't you both people thought the Browns could go eight this year those people in need to call in right now. So I could put your face to the phone let me slap it. But now they're two and six they giving up on this season. Now, they're taking the rest of the season tanking. But it the season is what it is. If the route I predicted five games, I still withstand on five games that the Browns should win. They should really, prevail. When it gets much colder two five and one right now. And I my prediction is five games in that tight counts as a win because it's not a loss. So they only have two more games to eclipse. What I really propose for them. So they're not taking the season we pretty assured that they're going to get. Within the top five draft picks like they do every year in NFL draft. But this is just who they are again. This is the Sanders filling in for my humble host which is on his eyes and show today. And I'm having fun already fired up already. I mean, this kind of fell in our lap five minutes before the show started. It did it did filling are left. Josh norman. It's calling in today we got anymore because I I like people we don't need celebrities to make our show moose Johnston. Also, I love most is the best dressed mantle television. Really? Yeah. He is. And that's coming from yourself from the best mental television. It moose's. Like, I love movement. I think he he did a whole he's I'd never knew this moves that I see on TV. I never knew that guy when he was in the locker room. He'd never showed me to -bility to step out in there to be provocative. But his dress code like he is today. I've never sold. It is he getting tips. Are you saying this is he's getting help? I'm pretty sure he's getting help. But I'm pretty sure he has a little bit of that in him. I just think he was might have been guarded and supplied it when he played for the Cowboys. And I saw no sign of it is like a metamorphosis while. I think we can ask him about it. We should what else. Did you see we? We'll get to more on Hugh Jackson later today. But what else did you see from the NFL? I saw that. The Rams are real there. Keep to lead the way from really being dominated defensively they need him badly that show did yesterday. Marcus Peterson step is game up. I love him to life. But he got to step his game up. Pass rush mandate when they want it when they need it. They bring it in. They were challenged. I needed them to be challenged and get but shall this week versus the saints? But they were really challenged. I did not think the Green Bay Packers could play with them. It was like a home game for the Green Bay Packers. A matter of fact, very loud in there. Green Bay's, wait. Yes. Aaron Rodgers was once again Aaron Rodgers he looked like he was playing seven seven for quite the time yesterday, and he was phenomenal. Statistically, it was an overwhelming, but he got the job done, and he gave them a shot. He gave them a chance to win. If it weren't for the knucklehead kick return it into the game. He might have took him down the field goal to win. But I like what I saw on these two teams. I really do. And I love the saints. I cannot wait to this weekend is probably is almost like is going to be NFC championship. Preview of what we're gonna see this weekend. Save that thought we're going to overreaction Monday. I'm not overreact coming up later this hour. We're gonna get on more on that topic. Let's go back to Rams and Packers for a minute did this game which team did you? Learn more about in this game. That the Packers could hang or that the Rams are legit number one team in the NFC. I don't care about hanging around. I never cared about that I care about. That the Rams can be challenged and they could bounce back from adversity and they could get the job done. They displayed everything defense offense special teams everything was on display yesterday. And they were challenged at home. And it seemed like a crowd that was split. And they were playing a home game LA LA's not going to be there to support you one hundred percent of the way that'd be there for the parade. Put us support whatsoever. Again, this is the San is on the rich Eisen show sitting in for my humble host who's on his way back from London. He did a phenomenal job as well. Go on the game yesterday that was a fun broadcast. It was that was a fun brussel out of people in there. Lot of a lot of people in the booth outta voices. But I thought it went pretty smoothly because our humble homes was was the orchestra. You know, what are you going to orchestrate do the ring conductor conductor, and he's a great conductor? What did you make that game? Jacksonville season. Obviously going in the wrong direction. Eagles kinda trying to right their ship. Jacksonville has fallen. They can't get up whatsoever. Now the eagles. I don't know who they are. I liked the Washington Redskins in that division. Right now, the balance that they're displaying offensively and defensively. I love it. I think they're the class of the division. Although they gotta see the eagles in have been that had the final say the Cowboys in the giants. They're just pawns in that division. One hundred percent. I like what I saw from the eagles resilience. As well as they got the job done. I do but Jackson Bill. I don't know where they're headed where they're going to obvious. We know their quarterback, isn't suffice. But everyone's walking around like they didn't know that coming into the season. And I think they gave him fifteen eighteen million dollars. And I never talk about a man's money. Unless his game is funny. So therefore, I'm saying his game is funny. Don't like. Wow. It was it was it was a renaissance. Yes. So let's hit the poll question Dion. Jacksonville's not in this. But we are looking at teams with a losing record that have the best chance to make the playoffs. The teams with a losing record. Best chance to make the playoffs colts three and five. But they've won two. Straight titans are three and four. There ought to buy this week. As was Dallas Cowboys three and four the falcons three and four seems like they've won two in a row now in the lions three and four which do you think best team of losing record chance to make the playoffs? Okay. The puck is play motions to too much because I have a love relationship with him. And they've hurt me. Been divorced twice in the raise me back to those memories fun being in the courtroom. And I'm still in the courtroom with the second one, by the way. I would say the titans because of the division is horrendous. I'm not gonna say the coats by any means in Jacksonville has falling. They can't get up four straight. Right. I would say the titans if anyone out of those teams that you just spent detains are the ones more. So than say the Cowboys Cowboys not that team this trying to fix problems in. I don't think it could be fixed at this point of the season in some good teams in the NFC. I don't think I don't feel like they're going to catch up to be in the playoff conversation towards the end. Although I love me some Jerry Jones God, I let me some jury Joel's. 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I like the way he plays the position he has nerve. He and he has all destiny I'm talking about. Josh Norman from the Washington Redskins of all pro pro bowler and a guy that played out gets it done any tells the truth, and he's an unapologetic about it. Josh how you doing my man? Where will quite of an introduction. I must say you deserve it. You're you're like that. You are like I wish you were here because I want to look in your eyes and sit down and talk to you. I forgot what we were. And I said man, we need to talk. Because I thought that you know, we got some things misconstrued in the past. I'm not wants to look at yesterday 'cause my neck don't even go back that for two behind me. So I like the look ahead. But I want you to know appreciate you. Love your your daddy. That you display I love your climbing your plate to the top. I respect all of that. And I respect you step it out outside the lands in doing the things you love to do. I mean dance. What everything man you've done? It. You've taken this position. You've done wonderful things with an appreciate it. Big time man as the big town. I got like losing LA when you know we wanted to catch up at snoop Dogg's event. Yeah. Each other. And it was something that we need to catch up on got together and sat down and had conversation because it gets things Mr. screw that whole time air back moved Carolina to both thing, and you know, just be miscommunication. And and always the youth big time player anyway, man, you and your heyday. And best of the best. That's for. Sure. Well, appreciate it. Appreciate and doing your thing. And you know, I it is good sit down at home whenever we chance opportunity to have that conversation. But yeah, man, I appreciate everything done for this league continue to this team is the team that I've picked to win the NFC east, and you guys have fled out bowling offensively defensively special teams. Is this what you envision when you went to us? Absolutely, wait. Did you really pick? A I did. I did. Regal called me name right now. But they really got us on low end that totem pole like, we never gone beach. You know what I mean? But I know me personally when I came here, and you know, I saw that roster now day off man, and I looked at that board, and I thought telling and then when we played them in Carolina, and I saw what they had, you know, into our manages a couple of pieces missing, man. And you know, you know, coming in and looking at that and saying what you can do with that. Man. I knew that, you know, the process of it was was going to be it was going to be paying taking but Hugh or anything you've got to make good gonna take some time. But when all, you know, settle on a smoke and the dust cleared, you can see right now, we are truly things together. And it's coming together phenomenal way. Alex Smith agent Peterson just broke another record yesterday. The offense is rolling in. The defense can be consistent. Can you guys overtake Philadelphia Eagles which got back on track yesterday? Well, you know, I think e- she knows got you gotta be bigger trenches. 'cause you not winning my world. Forget about it. True. And and right now where we are trenches villa got a handful. No offense anybody else, but they got a handful of what we're doing over here is we are creating problems for people Mitch matches. Inside. You know, we hang goes down there that kind of mishmash, and is is really men against boys. Right now, we got some grown men they young, but they plan like some mate elected. What am I counterparts, Shannon? Sharpe. He takes a fence to Alex Smith. He calls chick down addicts. He don't even call them. Alex Mathie cousin check down addicts. And I thin Alex. Because everywhere Alex Smith has gone he's one. No, he hadn't won all because he had had the pieces of the poses a win at all. But the guy gets the job done. What dynamic has he brought to this team? Not turn the ball over reach preach like that easy. I mean, golly, you're may already know you've got a solid fan. And they give you that ball back. We not turn the ball over. I mean what the turnover margin here, we all know have over martyr. You're gonna or likely to win the game. So we not about overall we get back over there. We turn the ball over. Freidy bit or higher than other team. So as long as redoing that laws, whatever care who care what matters who gets the praise and the glory doing that we win shit. You guys got to land a man in Atlanta's ac-. So I'm so motion about Atlanta because I love this. He so Menem so tattoo being on SC. So right now, man, I don't know what to do. How do you feel going into that game? Especially when you got to do it who he'll release the new come home. And they got some dogs over there man day, man. Real tasty people. Enticing me anytime, you get to go again who is always grown, man. Yes. Ma'am. Yes. Grown man after sweetest competition. When you go against the best. No, it really gets better. So is when you look those guys and the weapons that got, you know, your chances are going to be hot. Really? David to handle some balls or do something and make a big play or turnover or stop them from making a big play is always going to be lights on you every snap because every play is potential big win. Or you know, what I'm saying? Or the thing. I know we're past episode with a Dale he says something yesterday, man. And I love him. I love him. I really do. But they asked him about being there is he happy that. He's there would the giants. And he said, I'm here, and I'm like day'll come home, and you say at the page you like this man, if you lost your mind. Man. I don't understand it. Ship is is whatever reason I mean, whatever, but. Our the care. That'd be honest, which man, whatever get back together me. He's whatever right there. Way end of the day. You know him as a player ODBC. You know, you can say so much and don't, you know, ridicule? The people around you at end of the day. I mean, that's how he feel about it. But yeah, us looking outside in on it be like come on. You can do. They just paid you all that. Yeah. You gotta be later. You got to be part of the solution. What are we talking about? That's the leader in him right now at eight years. I mean, he's still the Belot true. Well, Josh, we'll say doing all these things. I mean, we had a conversation on the other day was like, yeah, man. We used some crazy stuff. You just slip past that. So. You guys are competing each other. Do some stupid thing. Dead because ration- for both the oh, I like that. You know what I'm saying? We return into the game to where like the all that stuff that is, you know, will younger kids stuff, you know, growing up. He returned. I can see that. You know, what I'm saying like so for me take that and looking at it's like man we had a good day yesterday. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was a good match. Like, I enjoyed it. Like that. Like that got into it. And you know, the thing is I think for him just now off the field things. And what he says is gonna take that to to to maturity, I mean like you said it is what it is. I mean, I think some people whether feelings on his shoulders and in say what they feel and especially shows, but in others, you know, they say how they feel. But then they hide it by saying different words, but knowing they mean something else, let me see you take this. You know, 'cause I had a I had a altercation with Andre Razan back in the day when using pampas useless shorty there. And that was my boy dog different relationship than you have Dell but ethic was over at auto home. He's like man, you did this you did man you to you this. I felt so bad because I believe that we let it get there. I felt so bad inside. And is something that we always have to deal with. But is it any part of you said just like yesterday? I mean, we did some stupid day that don't feel what we even do that, man. Yeah. I mean is feel bad. I think got caught up in the moment of what was going on. You know? Body come at you. Yeah. Not enough to do that. Like, we're gonna come back at you be within the rain on you know, of the game. We try to be, but you take it out there. Then you gotta go out there. So it's not something. I look back. It'd be like what Dan did differently. I wish I was at me earth. Now, my hell off your went out. Take. What like I say. Well, we get older we started back, and he started think about things and realize that you know, that was crazy stuff we did back then. But do I say, you know, at the moment at times, I regretted man that back then like you said earlier, you know, you turn head rally. He'd be like, oh shoot. What? Maybe. Can't go back in it. That's what happens. So we gotta move forward. But we do get outside of game. We look at it. And be like, we can hopefully sit down and laugh about it. One day. Man, you you so mature you you. So to me, you're going exceed football, man. What are you life plans because it put ball is not what you do? Not who you are. So what do you want to can see that in you, my brother? I really can't. And just hearing you articulate yourself. What do you wanna do when it's done? When is over man. You know, I've been truly blessed man, gosh, truly blessed me, and so many more facet ways that stepping stone. It really is. That's like all this stuff was coming down on top about head like we lost against on New Orleans. And everybody's like have firestorm me day or something like gave who live right that they really care to. I know what I have going on. I know me in the stuff that I got on so much bigger. It's just like it don't even bother me. Because when you have made like nothing affects you true. Like that didn't even check me. But the next week it came back. And I do the same thing and I made a play. And then everybody got up out showing like. The same day. Jay. Now is this the storms quiet like I care not. I just thought of people for that stages of who they aren't. And so for me taking myself out of the game. I look at it. What can I do outside of game? Who can I help? What? Part of that can help someone else be better in life, not play partner with the play of coalition boys and Girls Club stars twenty four. You know, feeding hurricane released. I mean, helping people out over there in Texas children and border cases. I mean, I've been doing so much stuff. I've been doing production and production company that I started Gino productions not working with a guiding Guidi, we're doing some content. That's the village on my so called trolled controlled where they earn tropes which you'll hear more about it. I'm also acting in it. So it's so much. We're doing that. I'm just not even so much so concerned about you know, where we had this game because I know when the light cut on in tween, those loans, I switch the Nils. When we outside that we normally just like the regular people walking out there. It's just they see us in a different light because you know, TV. Man. Appreciate you got love let you get out of here, man. This was a very interesting conversation with me, man, I always respect. Now have so much more because I've got a got a chance to really delve into who you really are man. And in what you about in a love that conversation. Would you know Dale on the field yesterday that that that's that's golden for me, man? Appreciate your again. Judge Norman on the rich Eisen show with prime time himself. I appreciate you my brother. God bless you. Yes there man after two one hold down. All right. Douglas. Elsa, man. That was great. He in Odell on the field during the game saying, you know, stupid stuff we did. Is that because I've been there, right? I've been there before and I understand that that type of conversation. That's awesome. I appreciate his honesty to tell us that. Yeah. My prime. 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I'm filling in today from a humble hosts who's was abroad yesterday. He's on his way back and I'm having a good time today. I'm excited elated for this opportunity. And this is I could get used to this, man. You're not gonna shoes off up on the table. All right like it panther. So on though draws draws on. What did you make the World Series? Dan. Did you watch any of five games a little bit very little very little? I like playing I don't like watching too much. But I watched some of it. And then it was like is this blowouts, man? It was you know, it was beat downs. The Friday night game was pretty epic longest gaming World Series eighteen innings. What was the longest game ever played in as a baseball player. You get to the point where you just say, oh man who get it. Go home three Knox. I got three. Oh. Go man, go. Yeah. It certainly seem like that on Friday where the longer the game went on the more guys were just trying to hit home runs. The send everybody home. Visit. Now you played in the nineteen Ninety-two World Series Braves ended up losing to the Toronto Blue Jays MVP. Now, we're looking at this morning eight for fifteen raking five stolen bases. Four runs scored preach. You would have been MVP had the Braves I would have been. Would have been wonderful sitting on a mantle don't have been wonderful. I was locked in in the only reason I played. Is because David comb. David Cone is that David Cone right there. That's the only reason I played because I was hitting a lifetime like six hundred of cone. Baseball's analytical very, you know, remember store so they can justify Simione events. Like they did entire playoff in raking of cone. That was the only reason I got on a plane a couple years ago. Get on a plane, and I sit down and I put dang video my head. And I go to sleep guys say prime what's up man for token? Come on do it was cone. Only he said, how'd you do it? What do you mean? How'd you hit me? Like you hit me. Change my location. I mean, I mean angles, but you Sonal bowl out of my hands. I don't know. I'm gonna tell you something. Thank you. What do you mean? If it wasn't for you. I would have never played in the world. A couple years ago, and it's true and doing a documentary. Yes, there's a thirty for thirty coming out one of the one of the many things that your legendary and famous for is playing in a World Series game and an NFL game in twenty four hours. Yes. And now they're turning this into a ESPN thirty for thirty. I would never do thirty for thirty. Because I really thought mind should have been ninety ninety is hard to tell my story and in our, but I agreed to do. So because it was a big misconception of that day and some people painted me as to being selfish on that particular day, it was total opposite. So we really did this thing I cannot wait Super Bowl week. I think Super Bowl thirsty doing week is when the documentary is gonna air in. I can't wait for people to really see what transpired in that timeframe in. Why? You so you so you think you know, the story, but you're going to find out why? And it's going to be Hillary is this the infamous locker room, Tim Carver you're gonna find out why. And I mean, that's one of the most famous major league baseball San by Tim firing back. You're a real, man. But your real, y and you know, he wouldn't sit down we try to interview for this. He refused to do it. Yes. He sure holds. Wow. How can you? Why? Why would you reviews go until your truth? Yeah. Tell his side. Right. So when you hear what really transpired you're going to say, wow. Just say why he did what he did. Yeah. Because. Yeah. Because you you come off not great on that episode for you know, that sequence from Mary longtime like man throwing buckets of water own older, white, man. How can you come? Great. Sure athlete. You're very high profile somewhat flashy flambe on at the time. But I was baseball guest. Totally different. My personality is totally different baseball football. So, but you're gonna find the why I can't wait because they interview many of my teammates, many of the people that was responsible for that particular day in what was really behind it. So I cannot wait God, I can't wait the helicopter ride our day. Man. I remember watching that was that was amazing thing about I don't even know to this day. How that all came about? Again is the Unsan is on the rich Eisen show talk. It about thirty thirty on the brink of the World Series. Just both in just one last night. So we living ninety two World Series. And I don't even know how to stuff came about. Like, I don't even know how a lot of this stuff happened. Like, I didn't call. Hey, man. I'm gonna need a helicopter him when he. But it all happen to you know, to say like this happened because I'd never tried to make it happen. Just a little snippet. Your mind said, obviously playing football and baseball two different mindsets. How are you? How are you able to flip the switch get into one zone? Go to the other. It was my life. So you don't have flipping a switch. It was my life. This is all I knew from childhood. This is all I knew from seven years old doing a little basketball stating that to bed way. Let me make eye contact with Cam AllState twenty eight point six points a game before the threes were implemented curl was wet. But Kerr was dry. But it looked went Pete Rose in front grand back to get the hang when I was about court brothers know what I'm talking about. So I don't I don't that. Was that was man. That's all I knew I didn't know another life. I've always played his only had I think three weeks off a year between Pro Bowl and spring training. Right. Maybe two weeks. That's all that's all. I wanted to know now doing the two doing two things in the twenty four hour period. Unprecedented. Was it a big as a big deal to you as it was to the rest of the public north watching public? No because we're like, wow. How to pull this off? It was normally to honestly, I'm not bragging, I'm not boasting. It was normalcy to me because. When you send his documentary meant, I was hurt. Like, I was hurt. Emotionally that football teams down. Man. I'm gonna give you one token because I love rich. And I love you guys that you may not know, okay? She do. You got the minutes. Do it. Get you Tokyo. I'm just gonna statement. In an a frame it. I was only on a football contract. I wasn't even own a baseball country. My baseball contract was over in July. What thank you know. You see I can't give you anymore. But I'm going to give you that. Wow. So me going over there to help the Braves was out of the goodness. Of my chest and nearly being World Series MVP. Yeah. But I wasn't even on contract. So I felt bad for my football guys going to Miami to play against Marino. Duper clayton. 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Lombardi's Trade Deadline Reactions, Hue Jackson, and Week 8 | GM Street (Ep. 334)

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Lombardi's Trade Deadline Reactions, Hue Jackson, and Week 8 | GM Street (Ep. 334)

"What's up guys? It's kelly. The one shining podcast her with Titus and Tate officially kicks off next week on Friday, November second Chicago sold out. But they're still handful of tickets left in Columbus, Ohio, Louisville Kentucky and Bloomington, Indiana, you can find links to buy tickets at the ringer dot com slash one. Dash shining dash podcast. Welcome at GM three part of the winger podcast network is Tuesday in his October thirtieth and the trade deadline in the NFL has just passed an owner line. I am doing that. Mr Michael Lombardi when Barty how you doing? I am great tape Frazier. What last forty eight hours we had in the NFL. Baseball's over you know in Monday night football last night. We got so much college football as you trade deadline. It's good time. Right. I think you buried the leave embody in the lead. Of course, as a man that we have talked plenty plenty on this podcast about here on GM street. And that is the headline that we've been waiting on for quite some time. Hugh Jackson is no longer unfortunately for for his own bravado. And you go is no longer the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. We will pour one out right now for Hugh. It was quite a run three wins in his forty games with the Cleveland Browns. Also, a remarkable Owen twenty road record something that I I don't know if it'll ever be matched in the annals of football history. But. Lombardy first off your thoughts on Hugh and his departure from Cleveland. You know, first of all, you know, you never want somebody to get fire lose your job. I've lost my job. It's it's not easy with that being said when you're three thirty six and one I think you have to expect it. But to me, you know, yesterday was a melancholy day for me. I felt like David chase. You know writer for the sopranos creator of the sopranos. You know, when you when a character gets killed off. You lose a little bit of your like, what am I going on ralphie when they killed ralphie? You know, that was like, okay. That was a good story or big push. Now Caparo knows when you lose a character. I mean, Hugh's been good to us on GM street. He doesn't know it. But he's given us a lot of great material work with. Absolutely, this is something. That's you know, I feel like chase. I feel like okay, we're going to have to come up with another character. I'm sure we will. But we've just got to come up with another one chased it. We can right. We can always do that. We can always do that it it's called rewrites and reworking the script and and working around and obviously are big push. This is you we headlines in this. Case. And and I want to just go back to January the start of this year in two thousand eighteen this is a quote from Hugh. I remember a talking about it. He said, I don't think anyone else could have done this job for the past two years. And you know, he he said that the average person could not do this job. I don't think any other coach could do this. And he said, I'm not trying to sell arrogant. I'm not trying to sound flippant or anything like that. I just think that these situations are hard when you don't win. Of course that was in response to after going Owen sixteen and then Jason mccourty came out after that and said that the Browns had enough talent not to go, oh and sixteen and that was Hughes response to it. And then of course, we had the run with hard knocks. We saw on camera the beef that he had with Todd Haley, we saw him multiple times remind everyone in the room that he was in fact, the head coach. And and then it just basically led Jimmy has them came out and said that this was a message being sent that they will not tolerate, you know, this type of behavior in the building petty behavior. And what a what it came down to was rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield their number one pick in the draft was basically being pitted between he he and Todd Haley there was a lot of rumors that were coming out that Todd Haley was was refusing to play Nick chub and giving him more touches therefore Dorsey responded by trading Garlos side away. So they had to give Nick Chubb more touches than Hugh came out. We talked about it a couple of weeks ago came out and said that he he was gonna have to take a look at the offense. Todd Haley didn't like that. We know Todd. Haley has been known to be tough to work with at times with quarterbacks Rothlisberger pointed that our when he was with the Steelers all this is just drama drama drama. And now it's led to a position where Baker Mayfield. Now, no longer has the head coach that he's been with. He now no longer has the office of coordinator he has been working with. And when you look at all of it. It just seems like a pretty pretty terrible situation for a guy like Baker Mayfield in his first year as a rookie quarterback being the face of this franchise to go through all. This drama, especially like, I said after he was was responding to questions in January with the same type of attitude and behavior. So it's just more of the same. And and now it leads us to where we are. Now, you know. Yeah. And go back to January. So Hugh gets a lot of pressure. You know to hire an offense coordinator and initially, you know, Haley didn't want any part of the job because Haley was like look Hughes offense of coach. This isn't a good situation for me. But what happened was that Dorsey and Jimmy has lem convinced Haley that Hugh was going to be the CEO. 'cause you know when a guy goes winless in a year, you should make them the CEO of the team pretty clear, right? Yes. Guy has a win a game for sixteen games. You definitely want to promote him and make him the CEO of a team. Right. There's no doubt. Right. So that makes complete sense to me. So you you get that situation. Right. So now tally agrees to come in. But he wants he wants he wants complete autonomy to run his offense. Well, you know that was. Not going to happen. And then once again hard knocks got a staff fire. So they let the hard knocks people in my understanding is through people that I've talked to the Hugh was very upset with the scene where Freddie kitchens and Haley were going after him, and he was the guy who was the bad guy. He was the guy who was always hard on the players, and you didn't like that. And it felt like Hugh didn't put him in the right light. And so that started things off. And then look Haley has seen what a good head coach looks like. And I'm sure today when Halley's down in Florida vacationing he pretty well knows that she wasn't a good head coach, and how could he respect them? And so, you know, this situation starts and ends with really Jimmy hassle. Missa valuate and Hugh Haley takes a bullet Heli gets a contract they got to pay him off. But this whole notion to bring you back over Owen sixteen has to be one of the dumbest things you could. Possibly due. And then the idea to make him the CEO of the team even dumber. You know, you hire Dorsey. Right. You gotta let door she come in. And Hugh was feeling like finally door. She was wasn't in his corner. But how could you be in his corner? Did you see the stat that that this is amazing the DC the stat that Sam farmer the LA times tweeted out? No, what was it? He said that if Bill Belichick would have to lose like eight hundred games to have the same win loss percentage yet. Huey headlines think about it take Frazier. I mean seriously like, are you kidding me? Like, we're sitting here spending this much time talking about a guy who's not even qualified to be a head coach, you know. And and the one thing he supposed to be good at offensive football. His team looks like crap. Whether it's Haley's fought his, I don't know, you know. And now they just make the guy that was responsible for bountygate as the head coach. Now keep him from trying to keep the job. Watch him watch them. Mm pun on second down. Watch them. Watch them milk the clock forever. I mean, he's gonna do whatever you can do to become the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. I promise you that. And let's talk about I mean, I one little note on, you know, Hugh Jackson in general. I mean, I think the biggest thing he had hard knocks play into his favor in one scenario. And that was when he was with Cincinnati Bengals. That's when he was the running backs coach. And I think a lot of people I for whatever reason a lot of people, you know, win away from that show and thought oh that guy seems like a players coach people like to play for him. He has a good rapport with that running back room that that was like the first sign of. Okay, people like you. And obviously, we remember he with the raiders and all that sort of stuff, and that was a great talking point. But you talked about him being the CEO. There's just too many cooks in the kitchen, and that's no reference the, Freddie kitchens himself. But there was just too many people that were trying to make long-term decisions and decisions as if they were the so operator the loan operator of what was going to happen in Cleveland you being the primary one and you brought up Greg Williams a defensive coordinator the the man that led bountygate. He was the head coach from the bills. Two thousand one two thousand three and Freddie kitchens who was the running back coach on this team is going to be an offense coordinator now for the first time in his career. He's been in the NFL since about two thousand six and he's always been a position coach. So you're in a position now where you're relying on you know, we talked about Gruden on this podcast, you know, so far removed from coaching. Greg Williams is very very far removed from being a head coach in this league. And he also brought up his son Blake Williams to be now the the official defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns. And so he could concentrate on running the team, I promise you, this is Alexander Haig. I promise you this is, hey, look, I'm the president, man. I'm taking over I tell you this. You're my man Greg Williams going to announce he's gone out to everybody. He's the head coach. I mean, I bet you he's getting staged remade. And everything I it may not last, but it's gonna be hard to get him out. That's why it was interesting yesterday. Adam Schefter tweeted out the possibility of my man out Saunders being the interim head coach, which would have made sense considering that Saunders. You know? Could've like oversaw the offense. Let kitchens call it. And then creep and camp down Williams. And so he couldn't really run away with it. But obviously, I bet Williams by said, no, no, no. I'm not doing that. You know, not everybody wants to be the interim head coach because they want some assurances that if they win they get a chance to keep the job. I mean who wants who wants to job if you can't keep it? Right. And so I I mean, look it's just as function and then you watch the team. And then what people think okay now, we're going to turn it around because we got rid of Huey. Yeah. Well, look as much fun as we made it Huey look at once once you fire the coach and you finally office coordinator, then everybody just says, okay? It's not my fault. It's all good. May man. It's all good. You know, it's like, it's a coaches fall. And they expect us to come in and win. You didn't even mention they got Kansas City come into town. You know? And so look, I I just think it's one mass after another maybe Dorsey will get it fixed maybe door, she'll get the right head coach in there. Maybe he'll go and hire somebody that he's comfortable with you know, and he can work with and he can. Lead and they can get Baker Mayfield in line and that sort of where we're at right now. So the Cleveland Browns sitting in this situation, they obviously have had I mean it's been coaching carousel. I mean that would be unfair to carousels at this point. But it it's just been them ru- running through guys trying to find the right fit there and Cleveland John Dorsey, we can now see is going to be the guy that's going to make that decision. And and seems like he is trying to to get grass of what's going to happen there with Baker Mayfield on this whole new era. I saw one of the big things that was that tweet out yesterday. Mike Greenberg put out there that it would only be fair to Baker to trade him out of Cleveland. So there's already people that are doing the free fall with this whole situation. My my question to you. And you talked about finding a replacement there have been a lot of rumors that have gone around about guys coming from college Lincoln Riley, a baker's coach Ed Oklahoma has been asked about it. He said that right now, he's very happy where he is. And I want to put an emphasis on right now urban Meyer, obviously isn't a situation with the Ohio State buckeyes where you know, he may. Be there have been reports that he may not even want to coach anymore. He said that that's not that not the case. And then you have to look at guys like Mike McCarthy is a name that's been thrown out there. That's what the Packers now Jim Harbaugh. John harbaugh. John Deva leap. Oh. And then of course, Dave tobe our favorite special teams coach from the chiefs. So maybe they get a nice little free interview with him this weekend like they did with AJ McCarron and Hugh not too long ago. But but we're in a situation right now where whatever Dorsey decides to do with this team in who they bring in as their head coach will of signify where we are at the Cleveland Browns, if it's more of the same, or if this is in fact, a new chapter I would have a hard time thinking, they could get Lincoln Riley. I mean because if the if the Clapper who by the way was enjoying a baseball game this weekend, we can talk about that a little later. It's nice to know the Clapper had time to go out to Los Angeles. And before he fired his offensive line coach. But wh who the guy he hired, but anyway, going back, you know, I it's interesting. So when you look at this whole thing Lincoln Riley, if the Clapper does away. Win. Right. The Lincoln Riley is well loved in Dallas. I mean, Stephen Jones took his son on a recruiting trip to Oklahoma the quarterback from Highland high school there in Dallas, it's a son when they won the state title went up there. He was completely mesmerized by Lincoln Riley. So I I think Lincoln Riley has got fans in that Dallas office. And I think if something happened to the Clapper, I would see that. I would see them making a push there. That's a B. You know, everybody's talking about Mayfield, you know. And Mayfield has really like all these rookie quarterbacks have kinda hit that wall. Right. So you know, he had the great game against the jets. You know comes back. Now, you know. And so when you look at it the last few weeks he is really struggled struggled because he gets a lot of balls dropped. You know, the protection has just been horrendous. The left tackle can't block anybody. And he gets pressured. I mean the Steelers this weekend just made no bones about they're just absolute disdain just gonna come after the quarterback and just kind of put a beating on him. So. Freddie kitchens has got his work cut out for them to in terms of protect a Mayfield. I think to me these I could see urban Meyer leaving Ohio State. I could see that one. I'm not sure, you know. But I think Jimmy has lem has to really get somebody in there and give them a give them enough rope to be able to come in and help with Dorsey because I think there's a lot of things to clean up there. And you did point out the left tackle situation. That was also apparently something that was a problem between Haley hint, Hugh Jackson, desma Harrison is his name news a guy that Haley wanted to put in apparently hue did not want to put in. And that was something that he did without Hughes approval. Another thing to remember Josh Gordon was not supposed to play in the opener according to Hugh Haley played him. Anyway. So there was just a whole. I mean as it played out, and as you hear more and more stories that come out, you can just sorta see the discord that that was the term internal discord of what they. When you have internal discord. You don't have leadership. Right. You don't have leadership. You don't have somebody who is respected as the leader. So you have discourse. I mean, that's the reality of it is pretty clear, but at this this discourse was going to happen. No matter what I mean. All starts. It ends with Jimmy house lem thinking that he had curly. Lambeau and Hugh Jackson. I mean, come on. Let's be honest. I mean, you know, the guy went Owen sixteen and you're bringing them back. Are you really serious about it? I mean, you you think you know, it's like you're gonna stand in front of the team and say, look my guys really good every player that left their new. The problem was you. I mean, it took five seconds of like, whoa, ma'am. You know? So that's just makes you really seem like you're so outta touch with it. So how do you think it's ever going to get fixed? You know for me. I'm not hopeful. But you know, look, they got some good young players. You know, Dorsey likes to take guys that have some characteristic. We'll see if they can hold up. I mean Calloway speeding again. How long before he gets how long before he goes off the deep end. Right. You know? Yeah. And so. Past weekend for a touchdown. But yeah, I mean, I it's a lot of those guys. Yeah. We'll see where all this leads. But I mean to me, you know, shui I think he was shocked. He got fired. I think he really was. And I think now the now is they can look over the landscape and see what's coach? I mean, you know, Nick Sabin. You think he's going to go there? And I don't think so, you know, I mean, it's kind of I mean, it's a mess and it hasn't gotten cleaned up. And you know, people can look at the town say, yeah, they got some good young players, but you still got to work of that dysfunction. One. Last point before we move on. We continue quick break. We're gonna come back and talk about the trade deadline as a GM. If you're John Dorsey you make this decision. You know, right as a week eight, right? As a trade deadline is coming around. And you have this young quarterback. What is the process from? Okay. We know what hues duties were a day today. We know what? Todd Haley is duties were a day to day. Now, we have to reshuffle the deck and pass those along. I mean, do you call in if you're Dorsey you call him Baker Mayfield. Explain the decision. Tell him what you expect from him. Now, obviously, he's going to be asked to do a lot more. Having kitchens is not called a play as a coordinator ever in his career now, and you're going to be working with them day to day to figure out a plan for this weekend. I mean, what is that fallout? What is that one to two? I do you. How do you address every situation tape Frazier? That's a hard one. Because look you still got outsiders who's a loyalist to Huey? So he still in the building. Now house the ultimate politician. I mean, this guy could be agreed or at Las Vegas. I mean, he could be at the Caesars Palace say and a load everybody, you know, he's gonna make sure you know, he's he's gonna make sure he gets his he gets his taste. So he's going to toe in line. But I mean, there's some there's some disconnect between the offense and the defense, right? Yes. I mean, you think kitchens and Williams, you know, I mean after what happened this summer. We know all that. You can't it starts with leadership. It starts right there. I mean, they are the classic example of what I wrote the book about I mean, they can't get that. Right. And they're never going to get it. Right. And how they're gonna Mayfield shouldn't be involved in this decision. When you start bringing the players in your decision. Look, he li- manning and Odell Beckham singlehandedly pick, Ben macadear. Did that work out for them? Not to great Amos. Winston pick Dirk Qatar. How's that working out from not too great? Like when you let the players get involved and who's going to run the organization, you're going to have a bad organization. I could promise you can write that down. That's going to be bad. So like look mayfield's going to worry about playing quarterback. And what would if I were doors? See I would say the kitchen. Hey, look, we need to be in sounded are protections. We need to give this kid the best chance. He can we need to do what he does. Really? Well, we need a scale it back. So that this kid a understands it. So the game speeds that slows down for them, and we need to take advantage of the turnovers and not really risk it until we feel comfortable that he can keep going. He's not been rothlisburger. He's not going to be able to take all these hits. He's gotten hit way. Too many times. He's been sacked twenty times already this year in six games, that's way, too many hits. And how many have Z avoid it. I mean this week against Pittsburgh was the first time. He didn't get sacked by aiding. Get sacked a half a dozen times. I mean, so, you know, I mean, it's ridiculous. It's he's only had one game where he's had got sacked one. Time that was the jets game. So we gotta protect them. Gotta run the ball a little bit. We're getting turnovers. So let's not lose the game. This is what I be telling would be telling let's not lose the game. Let's try to win these games. Let's have losing. I that's not turn the ball over, you know, and go from there and try to see we could make some place down the field and see how that works out. Well, it's official. We can finally bid our farewell in that way. Goodbye. I feel like David chase. I'm telling you, I feel like David Chen. It's so sad when they kill not in the is not in the I, you know, do me that favor. It's always we we tried to I feel so sad. I do too. I think for whatever reason I feel like you Jackson. We'll be back in our lives in some capacity. Maybe he'll sorta. I would love to have my guests on GM street. That would be awesome. Maybe his podcast could be Hugh headlines. And he just does NFL story lines. I think it'd be good. I think it would be good. We would listen here at this program. We're take a quick break here. We're gonna come back and give you all the updates on everything trade deadline, and we'll talk a little bit about what we saw in week eight quick break. Whether you're an expert or rookie, if you like to bet a little in when a lot you should be betting at mybookie pick three teams a win. And if you hit all three you could turn one hundred dollars in six hundred dollars. It's that easy. You can bet on NBA basketball. You can bet on NHL hockey, you can bet on UFC you can bet on pretty much anything on my bookie. Mybookie has been in business for years, and you can really trust them based on their great online reviews and their mobile site that is very easy to use. 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We discuss was the move of Damaris Thomas. John Elway said he would be forever. A Bronco before trading him away to the us. Detectives he traded Damaris in a seventh round pick to the Texans for a fourth round pick and a seventh round pick Damaris Thomases a guy we all remember for the Peyton Manning days being the number one option there, and it just seems like with keenum and that offense being very stagnant. The Broncos were looking to move on especially when they have Sutton in some of these younger guys building up into into bigger roles on the outside for them Thomas goes he helps Texans out gives them the number two guy after willful or goes down. Do you like the move for the Texans and this writing on the wall for the Broncos that they are continuing to rebuild right with Elway's crew? Yeah. I I think they are. I mean, look, I think you can the theme of this of this trade. Line is teams wanted to take their compensatory pick. I write they wanted it. Now, not the weight, this trades a little different this trade is we want to get rid of an older player we need to play some young guys. And so to me, I think the Texans debt knew when they lost wolf. Oh, that's a huge loss for them. They got a hope Sammie Coates can play come back. They need a vertical outside guy. They really do badly. Because lose them will fuller takes a lot of pressure puts a lot of pressure back on. Hockey on Hopkins. And so that that becomes a real problem and Thomas who has a really caught the ball. His legs are starting to go Ozzie Newsome said this to me a long time ago. I started dropping passes, and I knew my legs were gone when I used to drop easy throws. And I see that with the Maria's Thomas. They gotta hope they can get eight games out of them that they can milk 'em rest them and see if he can make some plays and go through there and hope he can do that. Because if he can't you know, it's going to put more pressure on Hopkins to come through. And and and take it and go to put more pressure ultimately on the Shawn Watson. So but the other key guy for them to me is Sammie Coates Sammie Coates has got to come through not that he's a great player. But he's just gotta be able to take the top off the defense and have somebody defend them. So for Denver look to me. I think Denver is gonna make a coaching change at the end of the year. I think it's over with for everybody in Denver. I think they're already on the two thousand nine nineteen season. And the Broncos obviously right now is a sits currently there are three and five hundred division. They have to deal with the chiefs or seven and one and the chargers who were five and two and. I von Miller and a lot of those guys after the game. So we have the talent to win games here. We're just not putting together, and that's pretty much the that's basically saying we're not well coached. That's the players saying we're not well coach because of the players start talking about how much talent they have their just their endearing themselves. So the GM who put the town on the field. Look, they don't have a lot of talent. I mean, they got a great player involved Miller, but their secondary hasn't played nearly till level needs to play. And let's face it. We know Vance Joseph. We said it when he got the job that was a stretch guy at twenty fifth ranked defense in the NFL coming out of Miami. That's who Elway wanted. That's who he picked to be his guy. I think they've got to reevaluate where they are as a franchise. But you know, I think for the various Thomas this. He's got a they got a really rest him make sure he can get there on Sunday, and they got a hope Sammie Coates place. And if you are the Houston Texans a team that has struggled in the playoffs. Obviously TJ gates is the one guy that could win games for them in the playoffs. It is nice to have a player. Like, Mary Thomas guy who has done some big things in the playoffs in the past. So so maybe that's one thing you can rely on at least. If it's not necessarily the production of a number one guy that he has been in the past. He can at least give you some some wisdom and some of those big moments at the Texans can can keep it together. When that division the next day that we need we want to talk about is, obviously the Detroit Lions they decided to cut ties with golden Tate in trade him to the Philadelphia Eagles for a third round pick just looking at this right now the goal take three touchdowns this year guy that's been a top option for Stafford. He had he was caught up in free agency this year. So they unload him to the eagles. This is something we talked about the eagles. We're going to look for another guy to help them in the receiving him to help Jeffrey out and obviously to help Carson Wentz out. Yeah. I mean, this is to me. I think this is a great trade for the eagles. The eagles. The eagles offense is struggling on the outside. I mean, this is great news for eagle fans. This is something they desperately needed. They needed a guy that, you know, even though I think golden Tate's way better in the slot and can do some things, but it gives them a chance to really have a guy that maybe some plays on the outside with some quickness they give up a third round pick. If they don't resign this player. They're going to get that compensatory pica's Tate's gonna take once fifteen sixteen million dollars. There's somebody pays them that God bless they're going to get a compensatory. So they'll get this pick back. So just going to have to wait some time to get it think it's a great move by the eagles. I think this is the one move that gives them a chance, and I'm sure that you know, there are other teams trying to bid for this guy at that that level because it's the same situation. And with the eagles coming up with a third. I mean, Detroit was never gonna sign golden Tate to their extension. They were never going to. They were never going to pay him. What he was looking for. So they took the pick now as opposed to waiting. How does it affect their team? This. Here. You know, I I think it will affect them a little bit and in that terms, but they're going to have to rely on some of the young guys. And they've got some good young receivers tape Frazier. I mean, they've got some they're not as good as golden Tate. But they got some guys golladay as a good young receiver. You know? And they're going to have to rely on them to come through. Demi. This is about Marvin Jones and golladay they've got to come through. And then really Wilson play some of that in the slot to take that back. So that they can get something out of the tight end position. Because losing Tate inside does hurt them. And I did see a lot of people that came out when when this trade happened. I mean gold Tate's thirty years old forty four catches five hundred seventy yards three touchdowns this season. It's called ninety balls the past four seasons been a thousand yard receiver. You know, he's been a top guy people were saying this may allude to Stafford something to say about staffer that. They're getting rid of his weapons that maybe they wanna move off from Stafford. You don't think that's the case? Right. They basically just believe in Marvin golladay and these young guys. Yeah. I do I think they believe in. I think they believe in their younger players. I think they never intended to sign this in a take three now to get a three. For him solid as opposed to compensatory three to be. That was a no brainer for the for the lions. They had to do it. Do they do? I think the lions are a playoff team. No. I don't so lions fans. I hate to break the news to you, not a playoff team, whatever you're going to play. I mean, you can beat some bad teams. But when you play that operate you're not going to beat the Packers. You're not going to beat the Vikings to get to the playoffs you might as well kind of make your team better for the two thousand nineteen season. And I think that's what they did. I'm not saying they're tank, and I think they're going to create some problems. But I think they could get rid of this player. They know they're not going to sign them. Why not take the third round pick? And speaking of the Packers and in the NFC north. Let's talk about them because they made two pretty big moves today. Something that a lot of people joked about at one point, but then ends up being the case they trade time a Gumri remember time Gumri from the Rams game. And obviously, you know, be number eighty eight in the backfield and be in the running back that we're number eighty eight for the past few years for them. They trade him to the ravens for a seventh round pick. There were obviously Rogers response to him bring in that ball out and fumbling. And leading to this whole situation sort of probably led to this McGovern trade, but Montgomery goes to the ravens he gives them a another option another offense of option that they can rely on. And maybe can help them out in the run run game a little bit too. What does this just something that the Packers had to get rid of him just for locker room? They don't make this trae today, then they never told Montgomery. He will not to bring the ball out. If they don't make that deal. Then I mean because he was in subordinate because if they told him not to bring the ball and he brought the ball out. They either had to cut them today or they had to train them. And they traded him. I mean, they had to do it. There's no choice. They're all she lose credibility in the locker room, you know, and we know Aaron Rodgers was really pissed off about all the stories coming out. You know, I mean, how do, you know players a leak in it to the to the media? And so you kind of know where this is all coming from. It's not you don't have to be a road road scholar to figure this one out. They had a trade Montgomery and look Montgomery is I think it's going to be interested in what the league makes them give them today listed as a receiver. So he can wear eighty eight in the backfield or they give them a a running back. The ravens need to improve the run game can Montgomery do that. They don't really have a loose playback in Baltimore. I mean, they need somebody back there in their backfield that can do some stuff, but Montgomerie's horrible and protection. That's what got him. That's taken off the field. They got a third and six people talk about. Bringing the ball back. But the worst play Montgomery had this weekend. Was they got a third and six they call timeout. Okay. They call timeout. So they got themselves in a protection, they're trying to double the inside tackle. So they wanna make sure they got a chip on the tackle. Which is people don't always understand that. But they do chip tackles in the NFL. They get a chip on the tackle. They don't and Montgomery screws up the protection and Rogers get sack on third and six when you know, they wanted they needed a score. And of course, naturally they punt back. The Rams come down take the lead. And then of course, he makes the fumble. So he had a horrible sequence in that game for the ravens. I mean, look they need some juice in the run again. They don't have it right now. The ravens to me are funny team. I mean, they really are funny team because when you break them down there horrible on the road. I know they've had a road victory in Tennessee. And I know they had a road victory in Pittsburgh. But they're typically not a good row team. And they got whooped into Carolina Carolina. Carolina, whooped them Carolina. Moved the ball on them up and down the field. Three drives twenty one points. I mean, I was saying all weekend on visa, and like how can they be? How can Baltimore be three? Like, somebody explained to me. How Baltimore's a three point favorite in this game on the road? They're nine and eighteen on the road the last twenty seven games. How are they a favor? Anyway, I think Montgomery, look they gotta find somebody to pair. With Alex Collins in the backfield that gives them some receiving skills because as much as John Harbaugh says he wants to run the ball. He really doesn't. I mean, Marnie morning, we doesn't wanna call Ron. And so they're twenty nine percent run in the first half seventy one percent pass. So you don't wanna call runs? I'm not complaining, but you're putting the ball. And Joe flacco sands way too many times, and we should say I mean, even that Carolina Panthers game you brought up in flacco. I mean, they were obviously down but flacco those at thirty nine time. Lamar Jackson throws a five times in that game Collins gets eleven carries. So it it was one of those things where the Baltimore Ravens. You are trying to figure out a way to describe them. They're the most week to week team. I think I've ever seen. You know? I never know. What ravens seems gonna show up especially that defense. Wetzel said after the game that they they now know that they are an average team because they are five hundred. So they think they have the pieces to bounce back and not be an average team. But as a stance. Right now, they are never seem. And I think that's the right way to put it because when when when all comes together, of course, they can play with anybody. But we we saw last week when a team like the Panthers even though the ball was bouncing Carolina's way. I will say that with a couple, you know, Cam had a tip all that led to a touchdown had a pitch that bounced right into the hands of DJ more at one point. But it just seemed like the ravens and have it together on defense last week? So and that is where they hang their hat as always that the Packers straight, ha ha Clinton Dix guy that we all remember Alabama five star used to be his Sean Clinton Dix than he changes back Brown, though. They did this. I will tell him Clinton Dix to the Redskins for fourth round pick. This is the way to sure up that secondary. You know, they have obviously Norman back there. And and some other guys that have swear injure, of course, Dunbar Washington is now leading the NFC east at this point. It looked like a, you know, the best team the class of that division is crazy as that sounds and now they add another guy in Clinton Dix to to help them on defense. Well, they need a strong safety. I mean, Nicholson's just not a very good player. We saw him. He's the guy that got the penalty in the world's. And then he misses the tackle coming down. I mean, he's not a very good player. And so they had to make this move for the Packers. Look, it's another situation. They wouldn't pick up the option on Dick's, right? They take the fourth round pick instead of waiting on the compensatory if he's ever going to get a story third. And so the Redskins ended up doing it to me. This is like it's sexy name because ever remembers Clinton Dix. But if you really watch Clinton Dix play MRs Lada tackles, he's living on the Alabama reputation when you really break them down. I mean, really when you study some of the. I know Julio Jones's great and there's some Alabama players, but sometimes they're more disappointing especially in the back end. You know, then that you really think they are in Dick's to me was that player. He wasn't you know, he wasn't a very good player. But if I had a choice between playing him or the shades are Everett or or Monte Nicholson. You know, I think that's a smart move for Washington. And it kind of sometimes a lot of the stuff is, you know, emboldening your team whether it's getting rid of a guy like time at Gumri. So that Packers locker room, they all say, hey, let's, you know, we're we're on the same page here. We all understood that was something that you can't do and and you have to pay for it in some capacity. It is good. If you are a Washington fan to see them making a move because that does show a little bit that they view themselves as a true contender, and they are trying to make a real run. So the that is for Jay Gruden. I think it's I think it's all good news it, oh it blows me away. Frazier is I don't understand the giants. Okay. They've got these great receivers. Right. Yes. And last week Dunbar. Didn't dress for the Redskins. Right. So they got Fabien Moreau. They got. Greg Stroman out there Stroman bread. He can't cover me. Okay. And you know, and they're trying and and the giants, you know, they got the first second pick of the draft. They drafted a running back. They can't score the ball. They can't move the ball down the field. I mean it turn it over in the red zone. You know, Beckham's plan on me. I give them credit. He's playing his ass. Now, you know, but they could move the ball and the Redskins too. You know, they said, well, we got sack he got sacked. But I mean, you know, he got hit a couple of times. But but to me if I'm playing Washington, I think Washington this week against my that's a bad match up for Washington their secondary. Don't even bring up Josh Norman's named people go after Josh Norman like he's a rank and file player. And and that sort of where they're still kind of building off the idea that he is that guy, and you know, we talked about on this podcast mean Josh's better in zone schemes. I mean, he he they're kind of treated him like Durell Rivas at times as if he can, you know, operate on his own island. He acts like it. I mean, he's you know, he's trying to get his TV career in order. You know, he he acts like he's kind of gr like he's going to the hall of fame. I mean, he just been overpaid. He's really he's a good. Player you? Nobody's been overpaid. I mean, it's like, okay, great go on TV. Tell us what you know about football. Teach us the game. You know? Did you hear Boettger last night? Oh, yes. Did you hear him again? He compared he's called, you know, two weeks in a row now, he's got an iron. I endear. What are they saying iron deer statue in the front? Log first of all I've never had an idea. Why would you have an iron seriously tape phrase what purposes than I endear we need? You know, I'm I'm big with elephants with trunks up. I got a thousand of them in my office here in New Jersey. I always have elephants but trunk but deers like seriously who has a deer in the front yard. Anyway, he pairs Brady and Brady scrambles freight yards. And of course, they don't come up with. They don't say anything about it. I mean at some point like, can you can you stop with this, please? Anyway, I I wanna talk about the bigger mobile, but move we should save that for another. We should say that for like a whole different podcast just because it's amazing. He also he did give my favorite Kelvin Benjamin. When he was discussing. He said he was one Popeye's biscuit away from being. Tight in. He no, no, he's not that biscuit away. He is just is. You know, the other thing is for candidate looked that game last night. I know we're getting off tangent here. But that game last night. You know, the the bills did exactly what you gotta do up until the end. I mean, they played great in the red zone. They the patriots did not bring their game to that game at all. And I think you could see very clearly when the patriots don't have a running back. How bad the offense runs? Everybody thinks we got receivers. And all that, you know. But when they didn't have Musani Michelle in that game. It's not the same thing. And look, you know, I've said it on the podcast before you know, you can watch the tape. You could say the tape. I think gronk sa- great player. I've always think gronk sa- grape. I think gronk is a hall of fame player. But he's not right. He doesn't look like the same play right now. He's always catching the ball in a crowd. You know, he's not separating from anybody. He's a huge target. Don't get me wrong. Huge target. He gets you know, he makes some unbelievable catches. But in terms of just having open being open. It's not easy right now for whether it's his back whether it's his lower body. I don't know. But I'll just put out say that again, you could see it last night. It was fairly clear. And then when you watch the patriots, you know, when you watch the patriots, they just don't when they don't have that back back there. You know, they put Patterson MAC, they're they're not the same team. They need a big time runner that can stretch the field and create with it's not James white. He's pass catcher. And you know, that's why they couldn't score enough points last night to things they did on the game. But I mean, they couldn't really they that game should have been over quickly. Because look you could have put I'm telling you tape Frazier. You could've put eleven coke machines out there for the patriots defense. And I don't think buffalo with a score twenty one points. You know, look dare gainer Sohn was a Pro Bowl quarterback at one time. But he is not anymore. We saw that last night the two things I tell them Benjamin slower than I e slow as Milan and that offensive line for buffalo. Nobody talks about it. It's one of the worst lines in the football. I'll bet you, and I bet you I know I mean, I bet you the buffalo pie thinks they play great and the offense ally, you know, that line in buffalo is horrendous. Horrendous. It's bad. They can't play any power. They how about how about the ones that. I just got beat around the corner. Doc, it's got beat around the corner. I mean, it made the pages of that they have legitimate great pass rushes. It's a joke. I mean, you can't everybody saying buffalo doesn't have a quarterback you care that I'll -fensive line. Can't do anything in buffalo. I'm it's frigate horrible horrible. In the words of Chris Berman who was I into too much the delight of many people was back for their Monday night football broadcasts. Nobody circles the wagging quite like the Buffalo Bills. And last night. They were just they opened the game. Brian day is calling the calling the shots. And it was a lot of fun. Lot of motion in the offense. They were throwing everything at the patriots to open the game. They get no points out of that. And then on the other side of the patriots opened the game with Cordell Patterson back at running back. And I I thought that was the most interesting part of the night because you could see that both teams obviously, the patriots are a different situation. They're searching for guys for an actual playoff run. But but it just seemed like two teams that were trying to still find there. Entity. And they're really, you know, willing early on at least it try some stuff out and script some stuff out. So it that was probably the most entertaining thing we're going to try something against Bella check. I would just say this to you gotta try something against Bella. Check like what they started the game out. Don't start the game. Like that don't cause they're going to get it fixed. Like, they're going to get a fixed. Like if you got shit that you want to run that's different than everything else to save. It. You can't you can't just let it out there in the first drive. You just can't do it. No. You can't you gotta mix it in. 'cause they're going to get it fixed on the side you see Bella Cecchi at his pencil out in his little notepad. He's like he's doing in the first quarter when he's trying to do in the first quarter is figure out the game plan. And if you show him the game plan in the first quarter, he aces the test. He ace is the he knows it. Whereas if you would've wait a little bit of time like work it in and then kinda put it in there. Okay. Wait a minute. Now, we're getting trick place. But once once he saw what they were doing. He probably told bra probably told Brian floors. Hey, look, Brian. It's a fuck them dictum game just play bass and make them earn it. That's what he would have said. I think it worked because I mean, what they were trying to do is get Zeh Jones mash up on a linebacker that worked for a few times. And then eventually the patriots th just that didn't happen anymore and they played in basin and for the rest of the game. It's it just seemed like the Buffalo Bills could not move the ball. And of course, Bill Belichick. He he fucks him. Again. Find one the final Bill bell to about this. We've got this great report out that that Josh Gordon is going to miss plays in the game. Right. It's gonna misplace in a game. Okay. So I'm just telling you like it Bella checks going to bench a player. He's not benching him for two periods. Okay. Like, I said. Like, I said, no way. Remember what happened to Malcolm Butler? Malcolm Butler was there. He didn't play. Okay. I don't still nobody knows what happened to Malcolm Butler. Just like nobody knows it up in a the db Cooper like at Lisa riddles were just never going to get soft. Right. Okay. Guy. Got it. We'll get that move on. But the reality of it is is tape. Frazier is is that. That's never in the patriots motorcyle Brandon that they're going to sit a player for series, and they're going to let it out like when of the one of the the patriots have had they kept the secret of Malcolm Butler, better than any organization in the history of fucking football. Right. They've kept a better in anybody. And now in week eight you're gonna find out that Josh Gordon, Mr. meeting and he's going to not play. I mean is that a non I mean come on? Gimme a break. And then today people are saying, well, the reason Bella check didn't play them played them as because he wanted to mess with the media. Let me say this to you Bella check the last thing Bella checks thinking about is the medium. He's thinking about buffalo and today he's thinking about Aaron Rodgers coming to town so worried about dick and the media. He's worried about his team. But that story to me never had legs because that's not what they do. They would have kept Gordon home. If that's what they would have done. They don't just sit a guy out for a series. That's not what they do in the real question. There is that story gets reported. And obviously we start the first series. I mean, they were talking about a pre-game everyone's bringing it up. Josh Gordon was not gonna play the first quarter. Whatever were you know, I series. Josh Gordon runs onto the field. And you know, no one. There was no backtracking at all dresses eggs. Nobody says anything it's like we took the gospel from NFL network. Like, this is a real story. No. I mean, maybe it wasn't a real story. Like, do you have proof that you know? Josh Gordon was out late at night. You don't push. You. Don't know. I don't know. Like, you know, and look I would it surprise me. Josh Gordon was late for meeting. No. Of course, he's been late for ten thousand meetings. You know, I you know, that wouldn't surprise me but up there that's not how they handle their business. That's not how they do shit. They don't let you. Okay, you're just gonna you're gonna miss two series here. Then we're gonna put you back in. Now. That's not what they do know. That's what he stay. If you if you're not healthy, you're asking staying home. Now Hightower is at the game. They probably thought he could play more. They needed them to help the young players on the sideline. Do you only go to the game? If you have a purpose at the game in New England. You don't go there to watch the movie on the plane have a Snickers bar had the chicken sandwich. You know? I, you know, get candy on the way out that that that's not that ain't happening there. Yeah. Happy halloween. Hope you can get some candy. I hope that Josh Gordon after plan to that gets tomorrow. I mean, I gotta I gotta see the neighborhood at more. I moved to I got to figure it out. You know? So we'll we'll we'll get down there. No, you'll make. Yes. All right. Then we got Dante. We got the great Dante foul third pick overall in the draft gets traded to the Rams for third round pick another guy who's going to be a free agent. Yeah. So Dante foul goes to the Rams were third and a fifth round pick. Those are the two items that were thrown out there for him Fowler is a guy that we, you know, we've gone back and forth on as far as impact there. Obviously a lot of pass rushers that were talked about Shane rays and other guy that came up, but the Rams are still trying to to to do as much as they can because they have some problems on the back end. So they add more pass rushers. Like, we talk about you know, maybe that can sure up some stuff. With the defensive backs and some of the injuries they've had to deal with. So they make the Fowler trade. And I I just wanna ask you. I mean, I didn't know his value is still this high. I mean, it's remarkable. Right. He's going to be a free agent. He's had you know, he had eight sacks last year. Right. He's got to this year. He's really never been a good player. Been problems on the field has been problems off the field. He really hasn't demonstrated that he's the third pick overall in the draft course, Blake Bortles has demonstrated. He's the first pick over on the draft. He got fifty four million. But who's counting? You know? I mean, really who seriously who's counting that? So, you know, I I mean, I think the Rams they're probably saying themselves. Well, you know, we got some really good interior guys. He'll get out there on the island. But I think it about that like, you know, he doesn't win one on ones ever like it. Oh, and and for me, he might be a better player for them. But this is a heavy price to pay to get an edge rusher. You know, it's a heavy price to pay to cheap price financially which can fit into their cap. But you know, I mean, I would have tried to get alleviate Vernon the Rams I know the can't afford them that would have been too expensive to do that. But to me. Me. I mean, you hope this guy comes through because I don't think you're getting that third back at a store because I can't imagine somebody paying him a lot of money. I think he's going to have to go the Alan branch, the the I think it's out the branch kid from Clemson was early pick of of Jacksonville that Miami signed. There's another that kind of regenerated himself down in Miami. And. Yeah, Andre grant Andre branch. I call him out Allen brench as a kid we had in in clear in in New England, and it was a defensive tackle. So to me. I I mean, look I see what the Rams are doing. The Rams look the Rams need to take a chance because that's the one hole in their team. Is that one outside Russia with their to inside guys that outside guy can really make a difference. If it's Fowler. I would be surprised because he's never demonstrated. Now, he's going to go to LA. You know that off the field stuff really comes with issue. Yeah. And it's I mean that locker room, and we've talked about it and star of the your weight fellows has been great with that. They're trying to find a guy to replace that Robert Quinn. You know, a speed rush guy on the outside to to give them some help. So those interior guys. Have so much pressure on him. And obviously Quinn's now at the dolphins. But yeah, it it does seem the more that you continue to add to this locker room. I'm I'm wondering if there is a tipping point, you know, McVay and Phillips and all those guys have been such a great job keeping everything together there. And obviously they are undefeated people are already talking about sixteen. No. But this is a true test to see if they can integrate a guy like Fowler and get the best out of him. So that that's something to keep an eye on. This is usually this is a bit of a different. You know reactions podcast. We we didn't go all the way, and we're not going to do award this week where we're a little bit far removed from the Sunday games. You've probably got all of your or your first take info own all things football so far. But I did want to touch on a few things in week as some just some random things instead out to you for me. Blake Bortles is no longer, sir. Blake bortles. He is no longer undefeated in London after the eagles. Get a nice win for for Carson Winston those guys. So that was the first thing that jumped out to me. But from there was there was there any game in particular that release it out to you. Look, look, I think the Tampa Bay bucks. I mean, you know, this James Winston. Situation is is flying under the radar wrote about it in the athlete. But you know, they they picked up his option for next year twenty million. Now, they're going to start Ryan Fitzpatrick. But the the when you pick up the option of a player that option becomes guaranteed for injury. Which means if something happens to Jameson the next eight weeks, and he's hurt and part for you know, say hurts his knee. I don't wanna wish her get anybody getting hurt at all. But say they're on the hook for twenty million there. He's on their team for next year. I thought they would try to move them. But look the reality of is you can't move them. Because they think he's worth way more than what the value would be paid for. So that to me is a situation really worth monitoring. Are they going to put Winston back on the field? The guy's already throwing more interceptions in less games than anybody else. In the league. I mean, it's remarkable. He's a turnover machine. Wait. Now, we we bust Nathan Peterman asks I mean, this guy is bad. And you know, he's got the off the field stuff. You know? People laughed at us when we said, they should trade for teddy Bridgewater the summer. Okay. How you enjoy in your higher? Enjoying your Jameis Winston right about now. Now, how you like that you got twenty million next year. You want him on your team for twenty million? I don't think so no definitely not. So James those foreigners sentences week including another pick six and he was bench in the third quarter of Ryan fits magic came back into the full for the buccaneers, obviously, you started them out. So well this year while Winston was suspended, and then they asked her cutter after the game. He said today is not the day after decide that they asked me was going to start against Carolina next week said today is the day after decide that I don't have any problems making decisions, and I'll make it when the time is right next day. He decides that James will be bench in favor of Fitzpatrick's Fitzpatrick comes back into the phone. I mean, I is this also assigned from cutter is this him just saying I got to win as many games I can possibly win to keep by job. So therefore, I think I don't think cutter can keep his job. Yeah. Have you worked for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and you walk in the stadium? And you see Tony Dungy's name in the ring of honor. And you see John gruden's name in the ring of honor, and you see rich mckay's name in the ring of honor. And you realize all those three guys got fired by the glazers, you know. You know, you know, that they got no problem firing people, and they got no problem whatsoever. Doing that. So I I don't think that I I if I were if I were my man, Dirk caught her I wouldn't feel I would not get I would never get my feet up. I would never get comfortable. He should not be comfortable yet. And especially I mean, we talked about Gruden right? I mean Gruden when he when it was rumored that he was gonna come back to coaching they flirted with the idea rowers rumor that they Ford. Frazier. They they did more than flirt they were kissing. I mean, they just they were going to do more than flirt. There was some kissing going on there there. No doubt giving some cooties out. Yeah. That's that's something to keep an eye on to see what happens with Tampa Bay. There. Any other games that really stood out to you mean for me personally? I think the Seahawks are team sort of have gone under the radar and have a chance at a wildcard. And they're getting. Seattle's really good. I think they've done a great job at turn the ball over. They've played really good. They've played much better. You know? I liked him last week. I thought Seattle would would beat the would beat the lions on the road. I think Seattle's under the radar team the P cows doing a great job coaching. I think they're doing tremendous their their defense is getting better every single week. And even though they don't have the legion of doom. They're finding new players. I like them. I think they're going to be fun to watch. This would be a great week. Yup. They've won four that the Jeff for they got up there at home this week. This'll be a fun week to watch them. Absolutely. And just running through the gamut. Mitchell Trubisky takes on I'll tell you down. Did you see him? He's he dressed up for Halloween. Like best thing. He did on Sunday. But with the ball. Thank you, man. I mean, it's unbelievable. I love the costume. I gotta give not one. He would have got hit a big candy bar on that one. Yes, it cost him. But I mean, look. The guy can't throw. I mean, the guy can't the guy's not accurate is just not accurate. I'm not worried about accuracy. I'm worried about comedy and committing to your Halloween. Hey, go. I see where you're going. Davis is to say, I said, you know, I'm not looking to be consistent. I'm looking to be correct kid. That's there you go. Let's be correct. Let's let's let Mitchell shiny, correct? And also won last night. Larry FitzGerald, I thought this was a nice story guy that we all love in the NFL. His son said that he didn't want to come to the game. He told him before the game. He did not want to come to the game because it was boring. So if it's Gerald went out and got to win first hundred yard game of the season and got a nice touchdown. And the cardinals won that game eighteen to fifty and one of probably the the worst games of the season as far as I enter tamen value goes. But I thought that was nice at the Larry FitzGerald, you know, sticking it to his kid was nice. You gotta love it so much for the cardinals trading. Their whole roster. Right. Yeah. Not going to happen. Not going to happen. Not going to happen. All right. Take Frazier Friday. Now, we do picks. I like my man Brian the score keeper I'm at sixty percent for the season. Not that. I'm bragging I'm done because they could it could go quickly. I'm not bragging, but he's not going to release the picks until after the game. So you. Listen to GM street on Friday. If you want the picks, it's not that hard. It's only fifteen minutes. I mean seriously. Yes, exactly. 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FTP Ep. # 145: Dysfunction in Cleveland and Gruden's Millions

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FTP Ep. # 145: Dysfunction in Cleveland and Gruden's Millions

"Welcome to the fantasy Throwdown podcast bringing you the latest sports news fantasy analysis and opinions don't forget the hot takes and have Hort show without heartaches these days. What about hotcakes though, I want some odd case? Now, here's your host ready to jump into the thick of things Dwayne calendar. Welcome to the third nation. And I gotta say the phone has been ringing off the hook with people wanting to find out how they can ask me to their NFL teams for my guidance on all things football. And basically every other sport for that matter. Yeah. So that's a little Bs. But you know, who else is full of BS Jon Gruden. Jan gruden. You know, I don't know how else to say this John gruden's running upon scheme with the NFL right now because there's no way you can classify the Oakland Raiders football team anymore based off a one Jon Gruden has been able to do in less than two months in less than two months. Oakland Raiders have gone from you know, an average, you know, slightly mediocre team. Mm-hmm. To one of the three worst teams in the league without question. And it's inexplicable to say that this is none other than a hatchet job to get as many draft picks as possible and just draft his own players by just dismantling and just sapping the actual will plough power and any self-respecting football player that's on his current roster. Defrauding the people of Oakland of a football team before they finally move out to Vegas whenever that stadium actually gets Bill because that's a whole nother the that no one's talking about. You know, this is without question. Whether the biggest travesties to happen, the NFL in quite some time, and you cannot say that this was not forboding when Khalil Mack get strung out for days weeks a month. On end waiting to try to get a contract settled. Reggie McKenzie of the raiders who is the GM until you know, hopefully, he quits out of frustration dealing with this nonsense, and just, you know, just quits at or quits, just from the basic premise of you know, what the money's good. But like I run a how myself respect because Jon Gruden is running this franchise into the ground just for the specific purpose of being able to say that he built his team from the ground up and eat doesn't given damn about what anybody else thinks about it. Because when you show up on national TV and do an interview with Howie long where you literally state that your phone is ringing off the hook with free agents. Texting and calling you saying how badly they wanna play for the rain as and the silver and black when you one of the worst teams. In the league, you get pretty much what everyone describes as an awful cap situation because you make ten million dollars. You're under doesn't have money to pay for the rest of the players on the team. So that's why you had to get rid of Khalil Mack. And you sit there on national TV and just lie for no good reason. There's no reason for Jon Gruden to show up on national TV in front of highly long and brag about how many guys are calling him up blowing his cell up people bloated up to talk about how much they wanna come over to this team. You gotta be fucking kidding me. You know? I it's not even funny. It's really not funny. Because the simple fact of the matter is sports are supposed to be competitive. The raiders just lost by. Away. Hello. Let's look up the scoreline again. Because I because I don't want to I want to make sure that there wasn't a garbage time score here. Okay. No, okay. So the final score the game last night was thirty four the three obviously the raiders lost. I couldn't remember when the field goal is kicked. But quite literally the raiders get their asses handed to them by a practice squad. QB now, it's a great story for Nick mos- because the story was Nick Boland's. No, one knew the hell. This guy was because CJ beat heart was still injured and could not grip football properly because of his wrist injury. So the four nine Niners had no choice, but to go to Nick Mullins, and it was a possibility that was stressed starting out a couple of days ago by a by their head coach accounts Shanahan, stating that, you know. You know, he went to moan saying that there's a possibility he could start Thursday night. Because it's a it's a short turnaround obviously for the game. So there's always a possibility that you know, you could have Mullins playing tonight. But the fact that Molins literally never NFL pass coming into tonight in a natural regular season game. Go sixteen to twenty two for two hundred sixty two yards, and it kind of more. He veasley throw for three hundred yards. If the forty nine or send any inclination on rubbing it in to the raiders they can have easily done that they think euros not to. But from the outset of the Dirk quarter. It was blatantly apparent the raiders had no interest and that's trying to win this game. The raiders literally tried to take the air out ball and run the ball down three touchdowns. Most Teves, you know, with actually put up the farce of trying to. Run place trying to get back into the game, you know, actually play offense. Instead the raiders went out of their way to not even try. They gave up and that's about as civilized can say they gave up that just the players the coaching staff gave up so when I hear this load of Bs from Jon Gruden about how he's building a champion. You know, it's such an ego stroke to him that is just drives me up the wall because there are guys trying to be professionals out there. And there aren't even given a chance to be because you got this who doesn't know what he's doing completely outclassed the games pass them by he talks a good game. He only knows how to do is sell sell sell sell. But there's he's got nothing to actually sell. So he's just selling hot air. So that's why it is the Ponzi scheme. He's got nothing offered the raiders he has no tangible benefits he has no coaching tree to speak of at this point being so far removed from the game. Like, he doesn't actually have the cycles that he could bring on that actually know what the modern game is at this point in the NFL because for him to say in again proclaiming to be the quarterback whisper. Derek Carr has regressed to the point where he's scared of getting hit. It's the same situation that his brother David car went through a win his organizations fell through and failed miserably because when you don't have adequate protection, this is what happens you can't look down the field because you know, you're about to get smoked like no human being ever is willingly going to get smoked time after time after time. There's no there's no protection and this game. So again, you could say oh you want about it. There are couple of things that are. Ready wave the white flag. The Packers or anyway, even WI fi they can say whatever do on. Packers waved. The white flag when he traded ha Clinton Dix because the GM doesn't believe the core. Roster nor Mike McCarthy can get Aaron Rodgers threw Super Bowl. So that's one team. That's ready. When y flay the raiders really talked about the lions shipping off golden Tate to to the eagles clear sign that Patricia knows that that's going to be a multi year re-build, which is why he didn't he didn't sign with the giants because the giants kept self deluding saying that the giants can do a quick rebuild which was always a long shot over actually working. You know, there are things that teams do that automatically turn off coaches. Well, any self-respecting coach that is because then you have the situation in Cleveland where the Browns fired head coach Hugh Jackson and offense coordinator Todd Haley for those of you who were not paying attention to hard knocks this season. You clearly saw the civil war going on inside the Browns organization between Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley wherein. Hugh Jackson claims he was not forced to hire. Todd Haley and hired him on his own accord yet every single time Todd Haley had a chance to question. Hugh Jackson and his leadership to Haley took every opportunity to do. So I mean Haley undercut Hugh Jackson at every turn during hard knocks and in the NFL season. So when the story came out that. You was going to Browns organization to take back the reins of the offense of the offense because he didn't like where Todd Haley was developing Baker Mayfield. And then was summarily fired by Jimmy has lem and his group. Todd Haley goes in to the meeting next expecting that he's going to be awarded the head coaching job. Because in his mind, he was incompetent. But has it his group just fired Haley as well because they didn't win of reward insubordination as a path to getting the head coaching job. This is what happens when you have dysfunctional organizations because everyone was questioning why Hugh Jackson was brought back after winning one game and thirty one games because it didn't make a lick of sense the realistic situation. Here was that, you know, Hugh Jackson should have been fired. And it just go on their merry way. But Hugh Jackson was making this press tour this week on ESPN listening to anyone who would. I mean, speaking to anyone who would listen rather about what was really going down. And according to Hugh Jackson, you know, the issues that were going on within the Browns organization had to do with how he wanted to develop Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield. He felt should have been adopting a college style. Offense, similar to would he added Texas Tech and in mood onto Oklahoma using that RPO style to actually help heal adapt? The NFL lingo faster similar to the way Carson Wentz developed Todd Haley just wanted to install the Steelers offense, and that be the end all Bill and Baker Mayfield was going to conform to this offense. No matter what. The ridiculous part about this is the fact that Hugh Jackson also started that he wanted to draft. Carson Wentz was told nobody analytic skies that Jimmy has lem hired and sits fired then he wanted to draft this year on Watson. And again was told. No, so realistically. The only reason why the Browns brought them back because they felt guilty about how they handled the situation. Now, this is where the story becomes BS. Because if you listen to that narrative, how the hell is you Jackson? If you're bring him back. You're forcing it to take on Todd Haley, it doesn't make sense Hugh Jackson's offensive coordinator turned head coach. Usually, you usually have that guy do it or a similar guy that would be his disciple. I mean, let's just be fair. This is just over dick Yetlis office situation than just played out on fell team here. You had a power struggle. Both guys get shit canned the for lack of a better term and you've got other dysfunction within the organization that the Browns actually promote Greg kill them in the head Williams. You know, the star of bountygate from the saints as their new head coach Gregg Williams, the least wa- fide guy deck shit ever be a head coach is now the coach of the Cleveland Browns. This is such a Cleveland Brown story. It's not even funny. And of course, they're going to be playing the chiefs. This is such an easy pick for the chiefs this week that there are a couple of teams. I just know it's going to be, you know, just printing money to on Sunday one that being the bills even if it's because the line went up to minus ten once once again announced the Peterman was coming back the. Peter man is coming back the guy who will single handedly prove Colin Kaepernick collusion case is back. So there's the bears. That's gimme the next. Gimme is the Browns the browser gonna get smoked by the chiefs there. There's no doubt about this one. So you got to gimmes right there. You got another gimme in the Vikings against the line seemed at also waved the white flag. So, you know. There are some blowzy games on Sunday, especially in the early window. This is going to be probably the one of the worst early windows you'll ever see coming up soon for NFL football for the one PM games. I'll just be perfectly blunt about that. But this is a joke. I mean, I'm I'm going heavy on the NFL stuff. I move get Alabama LSU coming up this weekend, and college football realistically that should be a spectacle. But I expect an Obama fully win. I be stunned about Alabama lost that game considering the fact that you doesn't actually have a legitimate quarterback behind center yet again in a contest against Alabama like disaster. Probably the worst quarterback Alabama's face in the last five years in their rivalry games with LSU. So I can't I. Can't with good conscience. Take LSU. This is just a win for Alabama through through. So you know, that's where I kinda stand on the college football front. We also have the ridiculous story. The NBA that Luke Walton on the hotseat after eight games with the Lakers. Most of which he had eater. His starting point guard or starting power forward suspended. You know, I hit, you know, magic still pissed off in the World Series. As far as I'm concerned because a the dodgers got embarrassed. Because Dave Robinson know what the hell he was doing. You know, notice how I didn't bring up baseball until fifteen minutes into the podcast because I'm so annoyed with that World Series ended up just because I knew the Red Sox was gonna win that wouldn't that game in LA because I had no confidence in the dodgers. Like at that point. They gave the Red Sox every inclination. That's why Magic's pissed he. Still pissed off about that World Series. So he's taken out his frustrations on Luke Walton and Lucas just the whipping boy until LeBron says that tie loonies come in and coach the team or Brian Shaw. Like or anyone else that LeBron my feel comfortable with because Luke Walton long-term should be worried about his job security, regardless. But for get fired eight games into the season, or or at least merit a rebuke. Eight games into the season is just completely and utterly overboard. And it's like it's not a good look for Magic Johnson. It's a dumb look but liquors because again, it's eight games into the season. Lebron's teams never start off the the season on a hot streak unless you know, you got kyri Irving tearing it up, and guess what? Yanggot any of that kind of tunnel. Lakers. You could talk all you want about coups an Ingram. You know, less than about Lonzo to better. But I mean, forget it. This is not the kind of squad that's going to be lighting it up starting out the season because LeBron is a whole different beasts gonna get used to playing with. And again, this is the first time anyone's actually trying to put together a roster around LeBron that did not involve outside shooters. Again. This is a very flawed strategy might Pinon. But if you're going to go with that strategy at least got a see through for a couple of for at least a couple of months now a couple of games, then you panic start yelling young people. And like there's no way to encourage a actual productive environment that way, but hey, you know, the Lakers can do whatever they want. It's just a dumb way of going about it. So I'm going to bring my dad on a few minutes just to kind of talk about the day. It's it's kind of go through some of the nonsense that I've already seen take place in sports the past few days, just because of how. Ridiculous everything came across. So we're going to do that. And then later on this weekend. I'll get into my pigs and just spread as well as DFS and who I think's going to win. Plus, we'll get you see this weekend. Even though this is about us, you know, as lackluster UFC, pay per views, you're ever going to see and it's in the garden too. It's like, I have absolutely no inclination to really covering his UFC in any sort of detail. But you know, I'll do it. Anyway, just for the sake of just being a completion. And you know. And you know. Like a pig Breeders Cup to a while while a mad at but you know, let me bring my dad online, and we'll take it from there yet. Yeah. So the story is with you Jackson is that he wanted to draft. Both Carson Wentz at twenty fifteen and the Shawn Watson in two thousand sixteen boost told by the Olympic staff on the Browns that he couldn't draft either player. And my argument is is that for Hugh Jackson. Who's got the three wins on his career with the Browns? Like, they sit you up to fail. They only brought you back in with Baker Mayfield under the constraints of having to work with Todd Haley, who is one of the most unmanageable people you ever deal with the NFL. My thing is with Hugh Jackson. They set up to fail you might as well have gone out fighting yourself last year instead of trying to come back this year because people ready say why is he coming back? And it's the only reason why. I can think of is that the Browns felt sorry for Hugh Jackson because they didn't listen to them. But at that point, if I'm Hugh Jackson, I say, screw you. You know, you guys ready like submarine me? I'm not taking on Todd Haley as an offense coordinator when I told you who I want to as a QB you hit you tied my hands from high my bag say draft these guys and instead I get to draft bigger Mayfield who wasn't the ideal guy would have wanted. But then you're forcing me to still take on somebody that I'm not interested in. So like my issue. Hugh Jackson story saying that, you know, they kind of like pushed him director where you know, they told them to delegate responsibilities. I got a call Hugh Jackson out on that. And it's like, you know, if you didn't get your way with the QB's, you can't you can't be saying that it's unfair that like you didn't get to see the term out. Okay. Because. You should have something in right? Lewd up on that. Let me tell you what. Joke. Sweet. Look, I. I. Let me. I don't want. Because. What I hate every I talk, Phil. I. Well, see. If you do you want to win. You let it that. You want to? Do you come back? You you let that. Feel good. You'll come back. The job that my point exactly my point. Exactly, Hugh Jackson. I would have respected Hugh Jackson more if he just left and then went on this tour saying this is what I wanted to do. And I didn't get to see through my vision. Because saying that you stay on because you got to select Baker Mayfield with the caveat that you have to take on Todd Haley, that's still a compromise. So you let them guide you to failure. Look, I'm telling you flip. I. I never the people after like. I have no idea what you said. Because. Want one thing? After the fun. That. I wanted to do this. And you wanted to do that. Shit. Good quarterback, whatever strong suit. The one that I liked will pass us. I'm greedy, or whatever. But if he wants to learn. Economy. Because. If I'm cooking the food. He wanted to win. Look. If you let them. Join us in the next year. And you get a job. Keep client another the kick. Any odds? Everybody. Shut up. Yeah. That that's why like the believable. I always think you know, because that he got fired. Yeah. Honestly, I kind of believe him, but I don't have sympathy for him. I don't have sympathy because we know how incompetent the Browns are as an organization. Yeah. Because I quite this the same way I quite like things that happened with the Mets to the dysfunctional teams that should be better than what they are. Sometimes it comes incomes from the top. But guess what don't take the job don't take the job? And it's like. Like tonight. What? The the dot. The giants wondered Patricia. Would likely when when when model Patricia what he wants to do. Because he's got you. But in the public eye. A good enough. You know, so. Yeah. Well, that's the thing with an what people fail to understand. It's like when you go through this coaching process. They lay out the vision of what they entail the team to be and they wanted to hear your vision too. So like when there's a disconnect that's when guys balk at the last minute. So basically to your point. Yeah. Patricia probably heard the spiel that the giants will do of a quick rebuild and sent to himself. That's not what I'm looking for. Because you saw what Patricia did with the lions the lions are in a competitive position any still traded away golden Tate because he doesn't think that teams good enough to win now. So he would rather get the draft pick even though as much as like, you know, I don't necessarily granted. I think gonna tastes great. But he's looking at it from three to four year perspective of I don't want to commit the money to golden Tate because we're not in that position to win now or. The next year. That's the problem because you could to commit the money to. That that that's where the problem is. I don't I don't like, I don't look. We know there's a bunch of absolutely because we wondered how you guys could uncoupling. And come back again. I'm on the Sean lots of I mean, we talked about this new now we talked about it at length. I mean, we went through this shit. You know? When I Cleveland fans, and we know we know the people in Cleveland are just subjugated with incompetence. On on a. Now going to work because. To get into. Team looks like it's coming along. It's coming along. But he look. I just on cable. Yeah. More to do. It's not going to surprise me. If it a couple of years down the road. Covers the Cleveland. Are like we do. You know, the wall because he got with some things up. Yeah. I give you guys. Sure. Football. Join me yet. They know they have people who claim to be football people. There's a difference. Because because. I would have never get. That's number. That number one pickers. It'd be committee. Nobody can be that number one. Nobody. Anybody to do? I would've taken. It up. You know? Right now what I'm watching those quarterback. Everybody's strike. I haven't seen one of whose quote about look like. To make the better pick. The jets me better pick now people need to better pick. No, nothing. Not in in in engaging. Not one of these about who was I said the other. In one language forward. None of that has. All look like like the guys in the plug in college. With will will will will will a bunch of deception when when get I haven't seen anything I give you that done is gonna be a good one. I came out yet. Maybe I'm breakfast. Join me that yet. He think I call if you look screens, and then he looks. Not going to keep going on. You know, I keep seeing this. You're gonna love this guy that I I don't know what what is this thing that now he might be good. I don't know. So let me know. I. I q. If you could Bella check in that was it. In two weeks. A three. What he wanted? You would have get one of them quarterback. You didn't up on this thing to when the talking about? I mean, incapability and people. I I I haven't seen him. He's. I think he's. So I I don't know that they're going to be a new television have good people on it. Now. You know? But but but but judge. Never come on anything now. Because you can't do what you do. I them like the foot you with this you. I mean, if you're gonna. The office. You're gonna let them. On your. You gotta be guessing that that's my thing. I have no sympathy for Hugh Jackson. So this whole media tour thing on ESPN. I just look I'm like, okay, whatever and gets me. I would have let's go by. I don't like the talker. I don't like I don't like a guy you're gonna pay my them. And when. He come on look good at not really. You don't want you renew? For the break-up shop good. The t. Can get that. I never liked it that out the talker. Let's leave. I let everything like that. Yeah. So we we we got another coaching situation. Brewing begins the the reports or any came out today that Magic Johnson. Sat down of. I'm Luke Walton. And basically said that the the start to the season has not been acceptable yet for the Lakers. Bee begins there three and five to start the year, and that's not acceptable. According to to Lakers brass now by personal theory on this is that magic realized that he was going to have to pay Kershaw thirty million dollars a year, regardless of how the World Series played out. And so he he's he he just decided to take out his frustration on Walton to begin with. So that was my theory. What about you know, I? What it could do that? He offloaded. He they agreed to an extension. So he zone. He he he opted out, and they agreed to an extension which I find comical because if Dodd is fan, I'm like irony saw the best Kershaw, and he's still can't into the big moment. So good for them. The for the. I can't believe I couldn't believe that people could be so stupid. Why do you think you got the Yankees? Red Sox yet, which one of these teams you're going to pick up crucial because all of these teams. Opens the window would give me and he can't we? We will. TV? With the Yankees are going to grab cushal. Well, when you gonna pitch better. Gotta be kidding me. Listen, I I here's here's what I love best about it. You know, what I love best about this galley his his his prior deal left him with two years at sixty five million. They just paid him three years and ninety three million like, y you just added on an extra thirty million. Why I have no idea who who was actually gonna pay Clayton Kershaw thirty five million a year. He's getting through the only reason the only reason why you lied in LA is to make thirty five to forty million. Because the liking. I am a dodger accredited I. Opt up because I'm not I'm not going to pay. If you go. If you're a team. I'm he doesn't get anything. You don't have to buy them back. So you cannot be ground. I mean, I'm personally, I'm glad that the dodgers resigned. Curse you out because deference up the Yankees that free that freeze the frees up the Yankees is. Got with gonna go the money for. No, no. He wasn't us going to go out to guys like Corbin. The that's who he's looking at. He's he's looking at. He's looking at Dallas guy, and he's looking at Gordon. But the the only thing was that, you know, in Kershaw opted out there people dumb enough to try to talk Cashman in saying. Hey, Brian, you you gotta look at Kershaw. You know, he he's a he's a prototypical as that is what you look for a big left hand. Because coming up on look good. He pitched ready. I, you know. But then again. This is why I call it. This is why Donald Trump in office because people with the need any hit that the that the one problem with. Don't look at the carbon sense side of things. Don't you cover up big lit up? Fifty lit up four lead when he's done here. Because if like what? Gives me let me give up to what? What? Yeah. I I just I just love the fact that they get they love burning money. But yeah. So that was my thing. Like, the reason why I think magic ripped into Luke Walton so much was the fact that the magic doesn't have the final say with the dodgers. So you know, he had he had a fork over the extra money for. So he decided to rent Luke, Walton a new one because he could look says whipping boy. Well, you know, but but in in in my bed. That is not looking good. House. But my my thing was how's that won't spoilt? Team not playing defense. The big he. But that's my thing when you bring LeBron James over that's what you should expect. Because the Browns teams don't play good defense. They just played in the east. So they didn't get to get exposed like that LeBron has played defense in a while. And you brought over guys that really aren't good defenders. They're really not. It's like decor. Your team wasn't good. At defending the guys you brought in what I thought that guys that fevers because he had to be too. Well. Good defender. He's a good Bourne onto the goodness. Shoot was dependent. It's like they brought the bronchitis over that can be specialists, but in terms of overall team defense in order to have that you actually have to have a court with big guys that are good defenders like javale McGee is a shot blocker. He's not a great defender. He's he's not a guy who's going to communicate. The defense of what you guys should be in in. What sense you should be who should go? After who? Like, there's. Shot the other night. I'm like. Could you look the con Cup? Yup. You're a lot. It got about fifteen seconds on the clock still. I mean, let's go down. The best school. I mean, you can't. Off to your plan. Be got dumb. Oh, he is. I'm bitter. An I wonder what he wants. I am going to give you believe that. Because like me, you're go that Pete. I pulled me off the court. I'll give you you'll be to you. Know, you could be with Chuck off. He was a chuckle unusual. Born with the left. Than. Be wanna kill you. Especially by Chuck. You know, you're my fifth after the night. Let's go understanding. Up. I'm you need what you wanna kill time. Which means you gotta use the club. If you're not doing that. I don't want you under. You know, you have to relieve we weren't going, but we need to run the club and get a quality shot that you don't want them to cut it. A to if they simply a couple of times on TV. Doesn't look like. That's it. John basketball. Sometimes I keep up with told or according to. You're just. Good concert. Commit committed. We've been giving give you defense for. Quarters under our league. Yeah. Matter to like, okay. I'm one dollars over the floor. Which is gonna take put up. No, believe me. I'm not saying that like Walton is blameless. I'm not saying that at all. My thing was eight games into the season. The only reason why there are two reasons why coming down hard on Walton AU trying to find excuse to fire or be you're pissed off at males that you need to take him out take it out on him. Because here's the thing. What are you gonna do to replace Walton? With the only thing I can say is that, you know, Tyron Lou just got fired in LeBron's already went spring. Hey, I think we may need another voice with this team. Because clearly these guys are ready here were paying attention to Walton, and they're still aren't paying attention to. He gets by. Depending on who comes in. We're going to know LeBron's fingerprints on it. I wouldn't want that to happen because you know. It's gonna be a lot. No, LeBron that guy. Did he looks like you're to have the but it LA? If if you get Morgan fired go to drive a quote, if another impo guy like. Comes in to take red. Out good. I didn't even want to. I don't think he should have got a picture. He, you know, because if you take a job in LA, if I want to take your job in LA now that wasn't ever did anything, you know, that if you take the job in LA. The expectations are gonna be you know, reading media. Oh, yeah. Because the re do what people say is that you only got hired because of LeBron and then your coaching career gets tied to LeBron James. Because at least LeBron left Miami. So Spoelstra can make his imprints and show that hey, I can actually coach I didn't need LeBron. So he at least had that Theron, Lou deem and get that chance of the Cavs. Because Dan Gilbert, like made sure to basically, you know, 'cause he was pissed he's still pissed with LeBron. So he's going to be petty and just like take it out on everyone remained it because it's not as though JR Smith or good player or anything. He's not. But the fact that it is basically just getting bench and not even playing it all is ridiculous because it's basically showing that Dan Gilbert isn't laying the finals what happened game on the finals go, and he's just taken out on JR Smith because it makes no rhyme or reason if you wanna trade the guy just train him don't bench him and devalue even further it doesn't make any sense for three. Of course, he should because there's no reason why he should be bent on the team this band. No, no, Don control of team at. Oh, yeah. No. That's the thing that happened on that that that did happen on first thing first, Nick, right? Was like Dan Gilbert guys wish you got his team back. That's all that Theron Lou firing was was Dan Gilbert, reasserting control the Cavs again. The only problem is. It it. It's good to be another thing that I think what you have or you get it. Because. If he I would make it actually wanted a team. It doesn't say. Everybody. You know, because his reminds me a lot I guided him. Oh, yeah. We think. You know? That Jerry Jones, the all the family and the team hasn't won anything for you. Because. Why? Black. And that game. Cocoon got got by again. So, you know, lot good never come. Not an NBA cool. Well, well, well, that's the thing. A Gilbert would argue that they never give them a chance to be an NBA coach. I think that was always the issue Gilbert hand was that they didn't even allow my guy to have a chance of of coaching this team. Lebron turned his people against him. He couldn't bring him back because then you get by on the job. Yeah. Like, they were bless all around. Just because. Not these really league. Again, he went back to the Israeli leak. Well, you know, you can you can you can bring him back. You know? Cool. It. One wanna? Hoping that they they they want to interfere with stuff. I. Somebody was that the editing. What was monitor giants? It looked like had a lot of hand in stuff. And no, he's never gonna take the blame for anything. Yeah. And. Thing that it got to be killed his owners died having too much to do with the team. Oh into the to me to me to me when when. Within. About these. When owners are getting involved with t- the team affairs. That's usually the sign that things are about to go south and go south real quick. Yeah. Because the the. But dot com. On. And it got. God is on a goes up. Medlen Medlen whatever you want to. Good. Doing little yet. He go to make money. But whatever team what to. You know? I mean, you've gotta be kidding. The last coupla Bill the Johnson guys. He never wanted. You. You're going to tell you about that was. It's still my on added faith until you guys. You know? And at the gate one. The giants to conduct hear them where they are the best record in. No. So it's not like. They never got the other data if you're. Yeah. Seven. The one. Got the the the got robbed in green. But the one problem I have with that reads it, and then typical about it. I. Doing it got robbed because it's not like the end of the game. Rogers, would I be done to come down to Peter? I'm big I'm just going to be the next. Yeah. The next year. Yep. They're going to be them the next year. So doing carry on a doom. Got walked that. You know, they didn't give him the touchdown. Yeah. Would I be never done? It wasn't the end of the good. You know, I only need a me. So I that one I don't let. I'd already putting into. Yeah. Anyway, I'll let you go to school and we've been catching up on this one. But take it easy Kelly. All right, folks, that's going to do for the show today. Got to want to talk about over the weekend with UFC and the college football showdown between Alabama and LSU. We gotta talk about the NFL obviously highlighted by the clash between the saints and Rams. Plus the goat debate between Rogers in Brady on Sunday night football. We have to look forward to as well. So should be good weekend. Obviously the New York City marathon coming up as well. But you know, good times all around. So whenever flood you both should be quite a bit to take a look in in the world of sports. So that's offer. Now and have a good one.

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Nathan Zegura (10-30-18)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Nathan Zegura (10-30-18)

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We'd love to hear from a variety of ways, you can Email DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. Twitter handle with DP show and our phone number eight seven seven three DP show, say good morning to our radio partners around America and RTD partners direct TV the audience that we're channel two thirty nine in the NBC sports network rounds fired Hugh Jackson yesterday, and it sounds kind of strange or funny to say it might have come as a surprise. I guess he had lasted this long midway through the season. And then you fire him now handling won one game is I two full seasons in Cleveland, but the Browns are more competitive this year. But I talked about this prior to the start of the season with the friction with offense coordinator, Todd Haley on hard knocks. They showed you just a little bit. Just a snippet. They opened a window just a little bit for you to look in. And you realize if that's something they allowed you because the Browns did have editorial control from what I was told that if they showed you a little bit of that how much more was really going on behind the scenes, but it's the Browns. No need to get caught up. In particular is the bottom line is Cleveland is where coaches usually their at least their careers. Go to die Mike Patton, rob should zinn. Ski Pat Shurmur Eric men genie Romeo Cornell and Shurmur is back with the ranks of they head coaches with the giants, but it's obvious. The organization's problems run deeper than the head coach you might start with the owner there. Now the Browns having citing on quarterback in Baker Mayfield. It does feel like they're building something there. And there's a chance to reverse decades of futility if you get the right coach in there. But if you're the right coach, do you want to go in there with maybe the wrong owner, you got a good GM, a proven GM and John Dorsey, and you're all in on Baker Mayfield. And something that I talked about yesterday. I've talked about it a few times on the program. It's the development of a young quarterback. A lot of it is based on who's your coach and offensive coordinator. How steady is that relationship and then ofensive line and skill positions. There's a lot of ingredients that go into being a great quarterback. You have to have some kind of relationship there. You have to have somebody who is offensive minded I use Jared Goff is the boast poster boy he was going to be a bust under Jeff Fisher will Jeff Fisher's not an offensive minded coach, Sean McVeigh comes in and all of a sudden Jared Goff. Nobody has said anything about him being a bust. It's that quick. It's that simple simples. Maybe not the right word because you still have to find that guy and finding that guy for Cleveland who wants to go into that situation. Even though I got a steady G M. I believe a guy who has a true a proven track record. I'm not convinced that that owner knows what he's doing. Now, if you can get him to stay out of the mix, then you got a chance here, but you do have some pieces here. And I do think there's been momentum with the Cleveland Browns. But what do you do next? We'll find out eight seven seven three P show. We'll try to come up with a poll question. Klay. Thompson drops a mere fifty two points last night fourteen threes on the bulls. He scored fifty two in twenty six minutes at work. Come day. That's one of our earlier stats that brought you by continental tire proud supporter of the Dan Patrick show goes right? Getting of the Lakers lost again. So I guess there's time to panic. So we'll talk to Reggie Miller about the Lakers situation losing to Minnesota Jimmy Butler putting on a little bit of display three point line. That's one of those where you go man killing it from three point range. Yeah. How much you have six Jeremy Klay Thompson had what fourteen ninety two points in the first half. So I text the dents because I think everybody was watching the patriots, and I go, and if they weren't there watching the Lakers, it was ninety two to fifty and I said, by the way warriors lead ninety two fifty at halftime that is the most points and largest scoring margin by a road team at halftime in the history of the NBA. Day best. Yeah. That stat of. Boyer said ninety two at half-time. The Atlanta Hawks scored ninety two for the entire game that they played in NFL trade deadline is later today. Four eastern does lay beyond bell commended 4._0._1. eastern. Is that one where he's right on the doorstep? Presses the buzzer. Yeah. Through is it lady on bell? Let him in 4._0._1. eastern. What what if his key card? Does it work? Patriots handled the bills last night twenty four to six I thought the bills would cover. It was a bad beat there. I made an announcement prior to the game. I said at the dannettes, I got the bills then paulie goes outright. And I go with the point Clare. Yeah. I got with the point. See that's thank God. I don't gamble anymore because I would've taken the Packers in the points and got a lucky cover, and then I would have taken the bills and the points, and I was going to got a bad beat their. Yeah. Mclovin. It was unbelievable to Derek Anderson. Threw a touchdown pass. That would have made it a six point game. They overturned it. The next play throws a pick six beat the spread. I was thank you for that. I was in thrall to see if you were going to get around one the giving they could've by the way. I'm watching. Rob gronkowski. And I'm going hand. Does he look older than me? He's movement is so mechanical it looks like that back is bothering him. I know he's banged it. He's a banged up twenty eight year old if he lives to see thirty in the NFL as far as just playing career I'm going to be shocked. Now, he still has great hands their separation a uses his body. He's still big guy out there. But it just felt like he was laboring there and the patriots really miss Sony, Michelle, which is strange to say because you don't think of the patriots as a were depending on a run dependent team, but Sony Michelle when you have Cordeiro Patterson in they're just different because he looked like a wide receiver kick returner playing running back. He did not look comfortable there. But without Sony Michelle little bit different. They're upset all along and had a friend gave me a heads up. Just to say keep an eye on the patriots trade deadline feels like they're going to do something. I don't know. If you go after golden Tate with Detroit, I'd love to have golden Tate on my team. But if you're Detroit you give up and take this map Patricia give golden Tate to Bill Bella is former boss to get a couple of defensive players there. Damari thomas. I don't know. I think you can have marries Thomas. I don't know if you want to marry his Thomas from the Broncos, but the trade deadline a couple of names out there. And it feels like Derek cars, not going to be traded allies Nanka wave is no trade and Patrick Peterson's on can be traded as well. But we'll have who's gonna is our breer gonna join us a little bit later on routine. Sure is okay. The next hour. All right, mclovin. Poll question to him. Okay. We're going to jump right in Nick's it up if you were Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley, and you got calls this off season from two teams and teams the Cleveland Browns and the Dallas Cowboys which way you going. Well, I would go to Dallas. I believe if I'm Lincoln Riley because Jerry Jones, not going to be in that position as owner forever. And if you're Lincoln Riley, you got five years, they're, you know, if I'm Lincoln Riley, and I had that opportunity. I'd say, you know, what I wanna GM. I gotta have GM in there to be successful. And if not then I would I would pass on both of these situations. Even though I think John Dorsey has a proven track record is the GM in Cleveland. I still got Jimmy has lem is the owner. And I I wouldn't want to Bank on that Lincoln Riley can build up the resume in Oklahoma, and you can beat up on the big twelve and maybe play for national championship. And then get to the point where you're controlling more of your options there. I do think if Lincoln Riley. I don't want Cleveland even though I have Baker Mayfield. My former quarterback. I would hold out four Dallas. If I thought Dallas was going to be open, and I had a better chance to succeed. They're young, mclovin. Dallas they're very patient. They haven't fired Jason Garrett that might be attractive to the next to patient. But as a coach if you're looking job say, well, I'm gonna get a chance here, you know? And you have a lot of resources that GM problem. That's a problem that you brought up, but it feels like you're just treading water. There. You're not you're not allowed to get out of the pool. And maybe go off the high dive a little bit have some fun. Do a cannonball Dallas. Like, you're just you're in the water, you're in the coaching water. But you're not you floaty on and you're not going anywhere. And I think that would be the biggest concern. I would have there is Jerry Jerry's coaching this team in in his mind. He's coaching in the GM as well. I I don't want that. Because you know what? In the last twenty years. He's been the problem. And you can't go in there and say. All right. I got a Hans device on his I'm the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, man. It's great might be dream job. But it wouldn't be a dream job for me right now, not given the, you know, the owners if an owner stays out of the way, and I really feel like the successful programs franchises. The owner stays out of the way stays out of the way in Pittsburgh stays out of the way with the New York. Giants stays out of the way with the patriots for the most part for the most part. I think I think Robert Kraft's got more involved because he felt like he had to be maybe the mediator he had to play the role Henry Kissinger here between Brady and Bella check. But for the most part you let people do their job. I like to Jimmy Johnson. The owner of the Brown said, you know, I I guess I'll take the blame for what's happened here. Well, that's big of you. You you brought in Hugh Jackson. You kept you like, why did you keep you Jackson in the first place? You're finally competitive in feels like there's a little bit momentum. And you bring in Todd Haley, look if are like me says man, I this isn't gonna work. It's just not gonna work with these personalities because Todd Haley probably feels like I know more football than you do. I wanna be the head coach Hugh Jackson probably says, you know, what I'm still the head coach listen to be the dysfunction going on in there. And you're bringing back a guy who did not prove himself to be a head coach. And then you're going to go. Yeah. You know, what let me get another year. You know, maybe wins two or three games this year. It's still no reason to have him back. But if you're if you're going to bring in if you're gonna draft a quarterback and put all your eggs in that basket. Then you must bring in people who will make him better and to people who are going to get along with each other. How did you think that that was going to work out? If I tell you in the preseason, I don't see this working out. You should know that too. We'll check in with Brown's. What's the poll question? Mclovin. We're going to go. Can we put that one up? Just for fun. We have a lot of. I don't wanna make Dallas open okay now because that's not fair to Jason Garrett Cleveland's open. So if you do something, Cleveland wise. Okay. How about a mean question about quarterbacks about high pick quarterback? Jameis Winston poll question. James winston. But it's not just James Winston. He's the only guy who's struggling in that position. Yeah. I know, but he's going to be that's another quandary conundrum if you're cutter, and you probably won't be back. Next year. Can Ryan Fitzpatrick playing him keep your job James Winstons, only twenty four. Are you worried James Winston might play well enough that he keeps the jobber earns the job, and then you have to sign him up for next year. That's a weird because Tampa good Tampa can be good. I just think you don't have consistent play the quarterback position and Fitz. Patrick can be unbelievable. And then it can throw four picks Winston has shown signs of he's just not a leader. I think he's got talent, obviously. But at twenty four can you give up on twenty four. And you have a head coach. Who said, you know, I wanna win. I gotta win. Because of I don't you're not going to be there next year. And there's a chance you still not there next year. Yeah polling. Jameis Winston has seventy turnovers in forty eight starts. He averages the turnover and a half a game. That's that's double with almost double. What's expected? Not good. Not good at all NBC Sunday night. All eyes will be on FOX Pearl. You got Aaron Rodgers against Tom Brady football night in America at seven eastern kickoff at eight twenty Sunday night football only on NBC and still drama with the Packers. Timeout Gumri explains. Why didn't take any? I'm not buying it not buying it. But you know, he he, and you know, what was sad about this. You know, there were people had threats against his family like come on. You know, he made a bad mistake. He made a football mistake. Let let's not even you know, this whole I'm gonna threaten you. We we've seen where threats have gone here recently in America. Let's let's not be doing you might not be happy with time on gummy with what he did. But come on. Let's be smart about this. Imagine you could go to prison for something stupid like this. They track you down you go to prison because you're going to threaten time Gummer's family because he didn't take a knee. You're better than you should be better than that. If your time on Gummer in your ass by the media. Did you disobey the coaches would you say, yes, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have or would you cover it with? Well, I kind of thought I was at the goal line. And okay see would you play time. Montgomery. This is his excuse as to why he didn't take any in the end zone. I guess the rent says in the end zone. Taking. Still taking. Said called return was keeping. Kicker talked about a game plan big leg. Guys washed the kickable if you wanted to be retired. Kicked a retirement. At that time. Decision. I don't know if this go. So I'm not going to take on the goal line. The half yard. Take a chance of the game. For football. I don't think we haven't conversation. Office. But I'm never gonna God completely disobey. That's not what I do. It's not the kind of person. I am. Okay. You made a mistake in first of all I in any kick returner. We'll tell you that once the ball is in the air and you start to see okay, where am I running? And it looked like he had no path of, you know, this is the setup it feel it almost felt like the return team route realize we're not going to be running back. Then all of a sudden somebody says, you know, they may have a code word of you know, he's taking it out. But there wasn't any path there. There wasn't any. Hey, we're going to go up the middle here. I mean, maybe that's what he thought. But all you have to do is take four steps back in the end zone instead of being right at the engine or right? You know, one foot in the NGO because then it allows you if the ball is not gonna make it to the end zone, then you have to bring it out. But it he didn't he didn't allow him. So. That option here. And if the coach says do not bring it out, and plus when he says if I didn't fumble then we wouldn't be talking about it, you still wasted time on the return because if you do let it have you have a touchback rule you go out to the twenty five and no time off the clock. So it is a mistake any compounded. The mistake efforts would also didn't work in Montgomery's favor as he was seeing on the sideline I guess pouting and he threw his helmet because he was taken out of the game. A little earlier didn't like that. He wasn't being used. And then all of a sudden he goes out there, and he tries to tries to be here. And we saw what it's a bad. Look, it's a bad look all around and he made a mistake. You know, police said you'll get rid of him. I said I think he's too talented to get rid of. But I don't know. Now, we'll see what happens here the trade deadline. I know. I don't know. We'll take a break. We'll check in with the Cleveland Browns. What is next and is this a desirable job? We'll talk to a Browns reporter coming up next. Also Bill Livingston who covers Cleveland for the last forty fifty years will join us on what's going on with not only the Cavs and the Browns Reggie Miller a little bit later on in Albert Breyer the insider for the QB dot com. He'll join us coming up as well. Nineteen after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick show. Support for the show comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. Let's talk about buying a home. It could be one of the most important purchase you'll ever make. But today's fluctuating interest rates can leave you with unexpected higher payments, which can turn a great experience an anxious one. That's why curriculum created exclusive power buying process. Here's how it works. 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And Seton laugh, and I said this I'm being serious here. I know you are and that's why you laughed. But okay, people love their dog. I think I think as we said in the break, I think you would make a good jillion dollar selling watchdog. I just think it's so funny that when you have. You've come up with a funny name. And then you're like how great is this? Yeah watchdog it's a watch put your dog on. Yeah. What am I missing here? Yeah. Paulie? I found a number websites where you could personalize almost anything with your pets face on it. God pillows charms everything I cannot find a dedicated product where you could put a watch a wristwatch with your pets face on it. Okay. If this little pause is the number if somebody wants to go into business, then you can Email or tweet no seat, and you're not. Because you laughed at me. You laughed at me for you. Don't have a dog why. But if you could take it totally different places where you can take your existing watch. And they can work it out to put your dog's face on it, just like they could put the face on a cake or or anything. I'm not sure how successful this. This thing can be a website. No, you send me the picture of your dog personalized. Or if you just want to breed like a golden retriever there or Sheeba enu a bulldog. Imagine a bulldog come on every day. You look you'd be looking at your watch all the time. Maybe you could get the dog breathing is the second hand the second. Like instead, a you'd have the dog on. What about the alarm what if I had an alarm where your dog goes? Come on watchdog on you. Gotta get me on with Mark Cuban. You ought to pitch this shark tank. Yes. Okay. How about who's our boys? Huckleberry? Yeah. Yeah. How about we get down? Okay. Yeah. The watchdog come up with one stone. See if they come up with the watch. Come on. No, no, not cat dog. I mean cat watch cat. Yeah. There's no there's a watchdog. No can't do that. Either. You got to open your mind. What if other types of pets? Nobody's got too. Many people got pigs everyone in Hollywood Clooney. Yeah. I know. But I don't wanna watch pig Taylor swift with their pig face his cold a watch dog how about this. Okay. It's a pen that you can put your pig on. And it's called a pig pen c. See now, you're mocking. You're no, you're not in the business. Oh, I know you were going to be because you love dogs not anymore. Pig pen. No, no. You're not going to be watchdog like like from the makers of from the brilliant minds watchdog comes pen. And here you go. How about this? Then you have a dog pound watch. Cleveland Browns pound dog pound. Lou anybody Nathan, he segue. He covers the Cleveland Browns. She's senior media broadcaster sideline. Reporter for the Browns. How does that sound Nathan watchdog? I'm all in for watchdog pig. Ten is absurd. I am all in for watchdog. And I could get Browns fans to buy that. If I put, you know, the dog pound, and I had the watch there. There's no doubt. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nathan. That's all we wanted you for we. Appreciate you calling it. All right. We'll talk soon. Okay. Why yesterday? That's a good question. I think for the Browns, you know, two of the last three games yet. The Steelers game in the chargers game that really work kind of ugly performances and for this team. It's such a young team. And while we all know it's been brutal last couple of years. They've showed some signs of life. And I think when John Dorsey and Jimmy d has on sat down and looked at everything I think they realize that a change had to be made it and they obviously with at both being head coach Hugh Jackson and offense coordinator Todd Haley. I think they felt that the environment. That was being created was not the right one for Baker Mayfield who is the franchise or the rest of this young team. And so you heard talk yesterday about inter internal discord. And I think they just wanted to make sure this is an organization that is functioning. I mean, I've been there. Six years. I've seen resumes. Come and go I've seen in fighting in the past. And I think John Dorsey there along with the has now they said, no more of this were not having it anymore. It's time for a change. And I will say I think you Jackson in many ways. Was delta very unfair hand at least in his first two years. You know, where he finished one thirty one. And I think that that albatross. Whether it was just or not what's too big and too big for the fan base and too big for the team. And so when you had that on top of what was going on in the building with you and Todd Haley, I think they just said, you know, what it's enough the priority. Number one is developing Baker Mayfield am this young team. And we need to put them in the best environment possible going forward. But you have these two coaches take his selfish approach here. Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley native. I knew that Todd. Haley was going to be combustible in not gonna work out. They had to know inside even though he's a great offense in mind, and you're bringing them in into help Baker Mayfield. He also have to have two guys who get along. When did this relationship get fractured or was it ever a relationship? You know, I think that's that's a million dollar question, Dan. And I would say that in this business is you well know being around so many people in the NFL and even your business. Broadcasting. There are so many egos involved in Hugh Jackson made it to the point that he was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns by being the NFL's assistant coach of the year as an offense coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals back in two thousand fifteen Totta alias presided over the number two offense in the NFL for the last six years with the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I would imagine both of those guys would think, hey, I know how to do this as well as anybody on the planet, and I think that set up, you know, with difficult for you last year we had so much on the head coach. She was the offense coordinator who was trying to hand hold the Sean Kaiser who was not ready to play through an entire season. And I think this year they thought it would be a good idea to take some things off the plate. But you could see I think from the beginning and even on hard knocks that, you know, this might be a tough tough relationship to have go smoothly unless there's you know without question success. And I think when things started to go badly, and I think the last three weeks we certainly the offense regrets. I in fact last week, you know, you go into the middle of the fourth. With minus one yards of offense in the neck and half and Thomas Humaid following the Tampa Bay game where he said he was going to get involved with born out of frustration. I think at that point you knew something had to give and and yesterday being in the building in Berea. I I ran into Hugh, I would consider a friend of mine, and you know, I was awful for him. But we were on the air in Cleveland daily at about one oh seven when the first report came out about Todd Haley so yesterday I was kinda shocked. I thought it might be an either or and they're going to clean one personnel. And try to go four, but John Dorsey and has them said no we've had enough and both guys out yesterday. How attractive is this job? It should be very attractive. I think that anybody, you know, who would look at the recent history of the Browns, and coaches, and and say to themselves man, this, you know, seems like a job destined for failure. But I think if you take a step back you've got a great football. We'd or now in John Dorsey, and you've got a great young roster. You think about the most important positions in sports? You've got your young quarterback in Baker Mayfield. You've got arguably the best young pass rusher in league and Myles Garrett who just set a franchise record for the most sacks through eight games of the year, Denzel ward is your young lockdown corner was looked great out of Ohio State. He's the fourth pick overall. You know, everywhere you look on the team its first and second year players very few guys even into their fifth or sixties and season. So you have a young roster with a lot of Callan. David jokers in sending player yoga Jobe. Having a great year for you up front Djibril peppers this coming into his own. So everywhere, you look you have a very counted. Young roster that is going to be together the nucleus of which will be. Gather for at least three or four more years than you'd obviously like to extend those guys beyond that. So I think it's an attractive job. I think they're going to need somebody who can come in and be so disciplined oriented and focused on all the details. And really the most important thing. I think ultimately you need to bring somebody in here who is delight guy for Baker Mayfield. I think you would agree. We're seeing at absolute shift in the way offense is running the National Football League in it started with John McVeigh Andy Reid matinee you now. In Chicago Carmichael is doing Sean Payton down in New Orleans. That's the future of the NFL. And I think it will be important for the Browns to get somebody that can put Baker Mayfield who's an ideal quarterback for that style into that kind of system going forward should be mentioned that Nathan was suspended for how many games were used to spend it for that would be eight games to last. I will be back on the sidelines for the Cincinnati Bengals game following thanksgiving. And for that, I will in fact to be thankful, and you. Were suspended because. I questioned the veracity of a call on the sidelines, and I would say this. I let my passion for this team. And you know, it's been very hard. And you know, I'm passionate person. Dan, I let my passion for the team get the best of my judgement. And now I am doing time for the crime. What can't can't they flag? You white who suspended been worse. I think if I'd gotten flagged I think that might have been a heck of a lot worse. And who suspended you the NFL the Browns the Browns. Okay. Do you think the NFL told told the Browns to suspend you? I am not in any position to. I don't want you to get in more trouble. Please. Good to talk to you. Nathan great talking with you guys as well. And love the front row, gentlemen. Nathan cigarroa. He's the Browns sideline. Nathan you still there. Okay. It's a pedometer. For your cat called catwalk. You know, I'm just such a dog. I'm very allergic to cats. I so I will not support anything in the cat field. It might be a brilliant business idea. But I mean, think of watchdog it makes you feel safe. It's going to tell you that time it's gonna make you happy. When you look at it. I mean think about these, and that's you got the triumphant right there. That's the holy grail to trinity. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Heating study is a little harsh pig pen. Yeah. I know. But you wanna you wanna treat this idea? Like, it's a fire hydrant and your dog, and I just won't accept that. I think I've come up with a brilliant idea. I could be on one of those shows, you know, where you sell your your products. Right. You could get the flexible guy to do it QVC could be QVC sham wile. Yes. Okay. Laugh now. It's got a little too much energy for house. I know. Yeah. It's the most it's a miracle product is flex seal the one where he saw the canoe in half. That's my favorite that ever happened. Accidentally saw your canoe and half. This will put it back together. What happened? I sawed. My canoe in half that'll trick. Oh, don't worry. No big deal. Now. Here we go for says. We got a picture of watch with a dog on it that I guess this product may Dan, I've checked the website. This is a very hokey website that tries to personalize things I know this because my wife tried to do before this know that mine's called watchdog and has been taking. Yeah. No. Tell this person who said for me to move on for them to move on. Because I've got something here. And I'm going to cash in all my chips and quit this job and put all of my money into watch. Doc, I come back. We got our play of the day. Couple more stats day as well. Right after this. Okay. This is just a thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers that you, please. Please stay with me in just fifteen minutes. You could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. The company that has been offering great rates and great service for seventy five years. It's gyco. I'm using for a long time itself. And anytime you need help you could speak to one of their trains specialist twenty four seven no recordings the company. Gyco. Go to Geico dot com today. 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I put up snarky one which quarterback taking the top three is most likely to succeed. Choices are Baker Mayfield Sam darnold. Mitchell trubisky. James Winston, Marcus mariota. I left out the Goff wins class. Who would you guess is winning that pole? Baker darnold Trubisky. Mario and Winston. Baker Mayfield junior the third Baker. I then KEB isky less than one percent. Jameis winston. Yeah. Yeah. Wonder moving forward is this just going to be interchangeable quarterbacks. Is you're going to kind of navigate this. Like you're trying to find the right pitcher to start a game or complete a game close out a game. Because you got Ryan Fitzpatrick and James Winston, neither are your future in my opinion. It just hard to give up on a twenty four year old that you made the number one overall pick. But you know, look at Tennessee with Marcus mariota. Are you all in on Marcus mariota club? Look at Jacksonville. Blake bortles. Also, number three. Everyone says go get a quarterback in top three. It's not that easy. No. Because you have to have a quarterback who's worthy of a top three pick. And I think that's where people make the mistake where they go. We gotta get a quarterback. Well, don't don't use a high draft pick on a quarterback. Just because you need a quarterback. He might not be the right quarterback any might not be worthy of. A top three or top five pick. Who were the debates have odds on the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns, because it's not going to be Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. I have seen. I have to update. He's there was an early front runner that everyone was like, what did you see that? Sean mcveigh. Yeah. What's that about ways in Ohio guy, the guy? Okay. This is how I think this all plays out. It doesn't go well in Green Bay and Mike McCarthy's out in Green Bay. He goes, I don't know what. It's relationship is John Dorsey, the GM, and maybe check me bay. Yeah. They're both green bag is. Okay. Mike McCarthy will be your coach pretty Dorsey was part of that. Okay. Check that. But I thought there was a relationship there. But if I connect the dots, and I have McCarthy he and as Aaron Rodgers is moving forward in his career in the latter part of his career. He's going to want somebody else in there. You don't have to be an insider to look at the body language between those two are the comments that are made publicly by Rogers, this isn't going to last and if you're Mike McCarthy, and you're out in Green Bay, and John Dorsey gonna want his guy you bring in McCarthy who you know, offense background having worked with Rogers. And now you get to work with Baker Mayfield junior the third the Browns GM John Dorsey was a Packers player for four years. And he's worked for the Packers since ninety ninety one through two thousand twelve scout scouting director player personnel football operations. So he's a lifer with Green Bay. So I it just feels like that. That would be the nice transition that I get McCarthy whose worn out his welcome in Green Bay. And you get him in Cleveland where he gets to now. Mold a quarterback as oppose Aaron Rodgers is already molded. Aaron Rodgers doesn't need to be told anything whereas Baker Mayfield can learn from Mike McCarthy amick love that'd be good too. So in two years, you get another shot at Lincoln Riley when you fire Mike McCarthy. I mean, look at this. I mean, look at this stat look at the history every two years they've just been churning through guys unto Linda haven't drafted any are. They haven't hired anybody. Who has stature here? There's nobody who's the last coach Hugh is a little hot. He was a quarterbacks coach and he had trouble in Oakland. Yeah. He didn't do anything. Rob Kinski wasn't. Oh, Romeo Cornell Mike Pence. No look at listen to that. It just feels like a hard place, you need somebody who has commanded respect has one. And is an offense minded guy. That's what you need. If you're going to be fair to Baker Mayfield taking him number one overall. And you want him to succeed, then you have to put somebody in there like Mike McCarthy, he would be the guy that I would look at it and say, you're not getting his Lincoln Riley. You're not getting him from Oklahoma. I don't think. Yes. Mclovin. Does it young guy with rantings Zack Taylor whose quarterback, which I believe would you want to Sean McVeigh young guy instead McCarthy who sort of bit around so. I wanna young offense coordinator. Okay. That I want that guy who will succeed to the throne and become a head coach. But I want the young offense minded guy with Mike McCarthy. I don't know if I can find both as a head coach because he still had the offensive coordinator and Sean McVay by all accounts the offensive coordinator there. Everyone says get the next Sean McVay that's every with that. Because people didn't know Sean McVeigh was going to succeed. They're like you're going to hire that guy young. Well, nobody's saying that anymore Dan in Chicago joins us. Hi, dan. Hey, how's ago and good, sir? So we do five ten to five. So the name I got for you guys young guy. He was the passing coordinator for the Atlanta the Super Bowl microflora. He's passing coordinator down forty Niners. San Francisco young guy jel well with you know, Baker. And if he can get Baker on-board Baker control, the troops get bored to follow this young guy. All right. I want to know what your thoughts were on it. All right. We'll if he gets hired. I will give you credit and thank you for the phone. Call. He could have just made that amount for all. I know. I'm here in the floor is a hop. Is. It his is he is there. Matt leflore who's titans offense coordinator? So this must be brother was legit the guys right leflore at central Michigan. Yeah. That's love is Ella. Fever fever fever quarterback. I thought about this. Yeah. You too. Yeah. What's the poll question? Mclovin. I put up that top three quarterback crews. Yeah. You wanna talk. It lets some real NBA here. Do they have to move back to three point line? It's taking over the Leo my gun. There's just no other. There's no other way to even conceivably win except bomb threes how much farther I can't move it farther on the on the sides of the cord because you can't get your feet in there. It's a layup for the warriors. Okay. But what do I do on the side on the side of the court? That's gotta be widened the court. I guess maybe you have a longer at the top and shorter on the sides. Sounds like Mike Gundy or something. Party in the back. Yes. Wouldn't extend the three point line because they would just just you'd remove the three point line. If you wanted to change think if you move it back, mclovin it's like when they say, we're going to tiger proof of golf course, we make it longer. But then you played into Tigers hands by making it longer. Therefore, I I took out, you know. Thirty more golfers who couldn't handle the length right that you're right. It would help the warriors. But people are saying the game actually, no intact saying this. But the game is getting way to score way scoring way up. They love scoring all of these leagues. They they all look at it and go how do we get more offense in here? Nobody's tuning in to watch a great defense. They're just not nobody's tuning in to watch. You know, the Knicks under Pat Riley, play defense or the pistons. They're just not watching that. It's all about show me highlights. You know, this is fun to watch. It's back and forth. It's pinball the NFL all of it. They just want more offense. Well, Lisa Lakers went counter decided, you know, what we're not going to work. Wow. I mean, come on. So you said, it's so easy. And everybody's doing it. The Lakers it too. Right. Coming up next hour. We'll check in with Bill Livingston Cleveland. Plain Dealer columnist who would have thought span of twenty four hours. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - (11-02-18)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - (11-02-18)

"It's all about me. Dan, patrick. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week, log broadcasting from the Mercedes men take this is Dan, Patrick, and this is the final hour the program on this Friday, meet Friday more meat price owns coming up. Check in with the raiders after last night when they checked out against the forty Niners. More phone calls. Eight seven seven three DP show sick morning to our radio and TV partners around the country. Alabama LSU isn't necessarily one of the classic rivalries. In college football, always loved the atmosphere at LSU on a Saturday night. But the two teams certainly have a long history. It's not Alabama Auburn or Ohio State Michigan. There's no trophy given out at the end of the game. Like you see in some of the rivalry games. But the dominance of the tide and the Tigers has elevated this matchup into something special. Even though I believe Alabama is a fourteen point favorite at LSU. When's the last time you had to top four team? Tmz meeting at the underdogs home, and you're fourteen point underdog. They're going to battle for supremacy in college football on Saturday. Let's not call it the game of the century. Maybe the game of the weekend. I think we overuse the term game of the century. But you can't question the impact of the game. And the talent the future NFL players all over the field and Baton Rouge. This year's version of the big game as new subplot because you got to a tongue of Iowa going against that LSU secondary. That's gonna have some pro prospects in Alabama LSU, maybe not the game of the century. But should be a lot of fun. And hopefully, it's a close game. Now many times when you have the game of the century game of the year, and you go boy, I hope it's close, but that's the dominance of Alabama, by the way, Nick Saban had his birthday earlier in the week. And he goes into the meeting with all of his players, and they have they've singing happy birthday and noisemakers and confetti, and you can tell after about. Thirty seconds savings had enough like he walks in. And he's got a smile on his face. He's kind of enjoying it a little bit. And then all of a sudden you can just see where he's going on. It's going to long here. All right. Let's go let's wrap this up. I got some tape to break down here. How old is saving is saving older than Bella? Check. Pete Carroll's the oldest head coach in the NFL. Correct. I believe so. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't act it. Let me see Sabin efforting sit Nick Sabin just turned sixty seven on Halloween. Okay. And helds Bella check. And how old's peak at Belzec at sixty six to coordinator. Okay. About the same age. Yeah. Who would you rather spend a birthday with like their birthday, which is going to be the better time or less worst time effort and p Carroll sixty seven just that we have all the okay? I'd rather spend time with Pete Carroll. But if you said it saving embellish check, you get you get to go out with whatever they're doing with their boys on that boys, boys. They're each other's boys. Their their favorite people in the world. They used to go on weekends together concerts there like besties. I would go with Bela. Check. Again, that that seems obvious right ANSI the Nick Sabin. At least, you know, he has other interests. I feel like if you went out with Bill Belichick you'd be like so like you'd be breaking down defenses. Still. No, I think I think we would have a couple of beers. And I think we would just kind of chop it up a little bit. I have some laughs tell some stories. Imagine sitting there with Bella check. You know, there's always that awkward silence. That that's what it would be. It'd be a lot of awkward silence. Yes. Mclovin. Are they exactly the same? Is there KFI tie? I don't see what's different about them. I don't they sound alike. Coach save and be done. You're like this. And then go Chabala check like this. Yeah. I don't they. They don't there's no variation. You know, the inflection in their voice pretty much flatlined there, and they're all football. They're all business. I just can't imagine those guys going to concerts together. And they were on the same staff in Cleveland would win. How do you not win with that staff? Oh, who do they have their who who were the talented players in the Cleveland Browns back then I think coz are was the quarterback Bernie had a pretty good run. But didn't Bella check cut him? Yes. And the hated yeah. Yeah. Yes. He kind of sounds like too many generals there. You know, like it's to put together a winning team win. Like when everybody is the man Nick Sabin probably thought he would Bill Belichick was the man. Yeah. I don't know how Sabin if he knew his place with Bela check and was like deferred to him. Or did you have something like you have in Cleveland where Hugh Jackson Todd Haley, Hugh Jackson's not doing himself any favors here. Because it feels like he's not taking any blame for anything in in Cleveland with what happened, and you know, hey, if they'd let me draft. I would've drafted Carson Wentz. You know, if they've let me call the place here is Hugh Jackson. He was asked about Todd Haley being fired as well as you can speak for the situation with Todd. I was I I was shocked at house, let go, you know. And and obviously, you know, hearing later on that they also let him go again they may decisions that they thought was best for them. Again, rather our shopping not didn't didn't matter. I just I just think as I keep sending him the respect what they decisions they made it before that's courtesy of Cleveland dot com. Hugh Jackson also said that he didn't know there was any trouble going on in the organization, I didn't perceive it as internal discord. I think you can disagree with people and not have it be discord this to me as strong word. That means there's always infighting. That's pretty hop. Word. I didn't see that. I knew there was disagreements and rightfully so who doesn't disagree. But I think the term untold internal discord a little. Yeah. You had to see something here with that record. You have to know that there's Volkers they're circling Todd. Haley comes in. You didn't hire Todd Haley. He was brought in by the general manager Todd. Haley would still like to be a head coach again. You know, you had a differing opinion on what kind of offense for Baker Mayfield to run. Not good. But we saw this in in preseason. And it didn't take long to read between the lines that this isn't gonna work out because Todd Haley's personality while he's been successful than offense coordinator, you know. There's baggage that goes along with that personality. Yeah. For two it was blatantly on public display for everyone to see and hard knocks the way they weren't getting along in the little whispering. And it seemed like a coup is taking place. You know, we've mentioned that when when hard remarks was airing between Greg Williams and Todd Haley looked like the secretly one of them wanted to become the next head coach and get you out of there. Yeah. Because you'd that probably wouldn't have been the guy that he would have brought in as his offense coordinator now. But in Hugh Jackson says well, I didn't call the place. You're the head coach. Why didn't you call the plays? You're supposed to be a quarterback whisper. But Hugh Jackson's not getting another head coaching job. You'll maybe he goes back to offensive coordinator quarterbacks coach. But, you know, this it may, you know, unless he thinks that maybe he's got TV future. No, he's doing the mothership car wash today. But after you answer these questions, I don't know if anybody else is going to want to hear from you. I don't know if somebody goes whenever they see you while you see futility as a head coach or a guy who shifts blame, you know. I'm I'm sure there are people who see Rex Ryan when he's on the mothership and go he's not successful. Even though they went to a couple of AFC title games. They may look at him. Go, what's he know? What's he know about offense? You know, certain coaches, you can look out Jon Gruden. We looked at when he was in the booth and you went Jon Gruden. Hey won a Super Bowl with tamp. Great head coach. Now, all of a sudden, your view and Jon Gruden differently as a head coach. You're like, you know, what he's doing, and you can make the argument he doesn't I still believe that Gruden has a plan here. You may not like the plan may not be a pretty plan. I don't know if it's going to end. Well, I don't think he spends ten years with the raiders as their head coach. But I do think that he's going to get him to Vegas. And then all of a sudden you're gonna see a completely different team. Which isn't fair to Oakland. In the meantime, I police in new poll question, we just had Brian Bosworth on. And if you recall, the BAAs when he was at Oklahoma was a really big deal. He was a household. Name is haircut. You know, he had a lot of a lot of kids getting that kinda haircut. He talked a lot. He got suspended took on the NC double egg. So the most famous college athlete of all time whilst in college. Lou else indoor Brian Bosworth Christian late ner. Johnny Manziel Dion Sanders. Tim tebow Herschel Walker. Bo Jackson wasn't. He was iceman trophy winner pretty famous, but he became more famous when he was playing dual sports in in the pros. Yeah. Pulling who'd be the guy on this list. The athlete on this list who non sports fans would absolutely have known about when they're in college. Like, you you they got so much coverage that you didn't have to watch him perform to know who they were. Well, I'm old enough to remember how big literally and figuratively Lew Alcindor or was because he was the best high school player in the nation. I think he'd lost one game in his entire high school career, then he goes to UCLA he his freshman team beats the varsity team. And then you know, he doesn't lose. He loses to Houston. And then you know comes back and revenge is that with the national title. I think they lost it. And I think he lost two games to USC forty four to forty two or something like that. And then he lost to Houston and Elvin Hayes, but I think luau cinder because it was also word of mouth to that that you you also have to factor that in sometimes that you didn't see him. You only heard about him or read about him. And you weren't quite sure. Just how great this guy was it seems like we're trying to parse between sort of sports fame and then feign fame. Yeah. Johnny Menzel wasn't he on the cover of time magazine about paying athl-. Elites and stuff. I mean, that's you know, when you're moving a conversation forward that's been happening for decades. And you're the face of that for that moment about paying, athletes and stuff, I think that sort of puts you in a whole 'nother level in almost in like, an a cultural sense. Yeah. I think that Manziel, you know, Tibo later because Tibo time but not as much in college Herschel was word of mouth too. Because you just see the highlights and you go. Oh my God. Look how big this guy is. And then he went to the US F L. I would say Lew Alcindor with that group. But in present day, Johnny Manziel. Yep. I would throw Leitner in there. Because remember he was in people's fiftieth, fifty most beautiful, and that chain debt made a lot of people who don't know don't watch college basketball have to be aware of him. Yeah. And I got bumped a fifty one I'm still a little salty about that. Like a Kentucky fan yourself. Yeah. You guys didn't know that. Yeah. It was like Letterman. You've been bumped off of the fifty most beautiful people list. Yeah. Yeah. Got bumped a fifty one like they never mentioned that you know, it's like the team that's fifth in you know, the football playoffs. I was I was five you are on the bubble. Yeah. I'm sort of like TCU a couple years ago. I was on the outside looking in so fifty most beautiful people in in the world. And I was fifty I after they put Leitner in there. I've had a better career. Would you rather have my career or Christian late news career Pauling yours because it's ongoing? I mean, I think I'd take late news career. Really? Yeah. Yeah. You hall of Famer your hall of fame in your industry. Thank you. I mean, it's just the fact. Yeah. But I mean, you get to do it for forty five years. He gets he got to do it for, you know, four in college in ten after that fifteen after you just throw it out there. I don't know. It better looking guy though, I think we you guys would agree with that brought him big emission by you. Now, I know my limitations just me like late eighties later. You don't want any part of the early nineties late. I I don't know if he wanted any part of, you know, early mid seventies me better hair late seventies you early nineties Leitner. I'm gonna go me. But that's it. I think that's that's. The only advantage. I had over Christian von late night. Wire-to-wire better hair. Later. It's got a solid had got some nice silver moss there. Yeah. He's looking. All right. But I got a fresh cut here. That's true. Yeah. I know that's true. When somebody goes, oh, that's a haircut. Like does that a positive like Johnny o of the Johnny? Oh, close. He goes. Whoa. That's a haircut. And I went well. That's not a compliment. It is that people never know when you got your haircut, right? Yeah. But I I just went in. And I said, you know, what just when I went to super cuts. I just said, you know, what gimme the six. And then I realized that maybe I should have gotten the fine. Let's okay. Yes. Mclovin. What I say seven footer walks into the bar. I've been talk. That's too tall. That's not working. Yeah. Yeah. You have it. You would you be able to take them women are not into that? I don't know seven feet you ever you ever party with Manute Bol. It's just like they can't even talk to him. He's way too high. You send up a balloon. That's got a note attached to it the Manute Bol the first time I ever saw him. I thought he it was it was somebody who came out on stilts because I was in. This was Patrick Ewing first game. How about this? I got to see his first professional game and exhibition game. I saw Bill Walton's first professional game. And it was against Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but to see so the doors opened the team comes out, and I think there's somebody on stilts who's like the mascot running out with the bullets, and it's Manute Bol with his warm-ups on. But he's so thin, and it looked like he had stilts on Manute Bol rest in peace Manute. I will take a break. We'll check in with Ray Ratto. He's got a column on the raiders. It's not pretty more of your phone calls coming up as well. Eight seven seven three DP shell Email address. TPS Dan, Patrick dot com. Also more meat Friday songs coming up. In the final forty five minutes of the program. We're back after this talk about the raiders here on the Dan Patrick show. If you're a loved one get leg or foot cramps, you know, how painful and disruptive. They can be muscle cramps can jolt you out of a sound sleep or interrupt your daily life. Well, listen Catholic because I recently learned about theraworx relief. 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It's Friday me day show. Flintstones theme song that anybody has gone. Like the theme song before it's pretty great though. Who was that? That was Wayne in Washington. All right. Got another one. All right. I am me this man since my wife's vegetarian so I e eight. There is no meat at home. Not even T-Bone. I'm looking at. Play. Things. I'd never make. How can? Then I went out and. Family. Came up with. To cook. Friday. I was a mean this man anymore. Thanks to my friend. Dan. Coldplay there. That's Ryan Grand Rapids. Thank you. Well, done well done Brandon North Carolina's back, Brandon. Eight. I just had a quick question. The game. I think it was from Georgia killed a said very impressed with the story about Mullins going out after games had gone with crowd noise. Running to play that they ran into game. Just wondering if you got any stories of any we'll keep it the quarterback anyone who had a sort of regimen. That impressed. You no matter what they're standing was on the team well on we've we've had coaches who will try to simulate the crowd noise at certain places, but I don't know other quarterbacks in routines that they had. I go back to Larry Bird was always out there three hours before the game in just shooting. I don't know how many shots he took. And then he would run in the Boston Garden. He would run in the upstairs bowl of the Boston Garden. I don't know how far you would run. But I remember getting there for this is the Houston Rockets NBA finals moves at nine hundred eighty four and I remember being told I don't know if his Bob Ryan who told me Jackie MacMullan, and they said, you know, bird gets out there really really really early. And I thought that'd be cool to sneak into the garden, and you know, went in. I could just hear the ball bouncing and then here the net, and I just peeked in and watched bird shoot for about a half hour. And then he went upstairs, and then he ran he just run around the top. And that's how we got ready for his games. I don't know if he did that on the road. But I know that at the Boston Garden. So that was his regimen getting ready you can question if the raiders got ready last night one forty nine hundred anonymous forty Niner apparently told a reporter that thought the raiders quit last night. At least there would be an excuse as to why you looked horrible. Ray Ratto has some reasons. I don't know if excuses NBC bay area communist kind enough to join us Ray, good morning. How are you? Hi pops. I feel. Oh, I'm having the time of somebody else's life. How's morale you think today with the raiders? Oh, I think they're thrilled. I think they know that the reps. Scrudem last night, and they can overcome this. Is there a plan here? Oh, yeah. It's to go into the toilet as fast and as deeply as possible. So that they can start over and maybe good three years. There's your plans. So you shouldn't be upset. Then with what you saw last night. If you know the plan. Well, there there in lies the complication because in two years this game be playing in the bat, not Oakland. So everybody who's watching them now is profoundly offended by the fact that they got sold yet. One more Bill of goods before the team leaves for good. So under normal circumstances. Maybe you could get away with it. But given the given circumstances people are hot because they were they were told that Jon Gruden was going to try to provide them a championship before they left through shakes. I think they can win a championship you stand on your head. But that's about it because they stink on stink. See I forgot about that that when he came in now did Gruden say that he was going to deliver a championship caliber team while he was in Oakland or was that how he was sold to the fan base coming back in. Well, I mean, the thing is, you know, everybody says stupid stuff at their introductory press conference that sort of a given. But. And I think he meant it on the day that he said it, but I think by April he had recalibrated his thinking, and when he decided to trade Khalil Mack. He made it painfully clear what was going to happen. Here was going to be the absolute antithesis of championship football. I don't think he thought it to be this bad, but he position them. So that it could be. Yeah. I and we've talked about this before I think that was the game plan. I don't know if that was the game plan all along its, hey, I got a two year grace period. And then this team is going to be my team when we get debates. You know, any remnants of Jack del Rio is going to be gone by the time, we get to Las Vegas. The question is how good are we when we get to Vegas. How much time do I have to get them to playoff caliber team and his Derek Carr my quarterback? How would you answer those questions? Oh, I don't know. I think I'd probably just break into despair cry. If I was raider. He's got many years as Mark Davis can can give them. I mean, you know, I don't I don't think anybody believes he's going to serve out all ten years now. But the way the contract is structured there comes a big payment if he's fired early. So that's one for two Derek Carr. I mean any day after June second is a day when he's gotta worry about having to pack his house because June second is the day that he can be released or traded and not have the salary cap crush, the raiders even more than it already has as for the rest of it. There's no way of knowing because gruden's history as a coach is better than his history's a general manager. And if you're a rebuilding team, you're not doing it by drawing up more arcane plays you're doing it by bringing in different players and right now, they don't have a lot of players and the players they do have. No, they're not going to be around very long. So while I don't believe they walked into last night's game. Not interested in playing. I think it dawned on them pretty early that effort would be wasted. So I think the game went on they decided to mail it in and boy, did they do believe Gruden when he says that he gets a lot of phone calls from people that are dying to come play here. I don't believe Gruden when he says he's Gruden. Look. What ball coach he came to Oakland as the quering hero? He was going to be you know, Mark Davis final to a fan base. She didn't want to offend while taking the team out of the town that they were in and instead he has galvanized hatred locally by being as tone deaf as a guy can be. And so when he says that people are lining up to play for the raiders, I think the only word that's wrong in that sentences for I think if you substituted it with against I think he's. I think he's. Thank you Ray. Always great to catch up. Always great to catch you integrate mood. Oh that every day festival here. Thank you Ray. And Ray Ratto NBC bay area. Oakland has allowed a league worst thirty one and a half points per game this season and the two hundred fifty two points. The raiders have allowed is the second. Most in franchise history through eight games. Conversely, the raiders have scored three points in two of the last three games. That pass dad of the day. The day comes that what stat of the day. Stat of the day. Brought to you by the great folks at continental tire. They have a tire for you. Thousands of pro and amateur sporting events in America every weekend continental tire has designed tires to get you to the sporting event of your choice continental tired dot com. Here's another one here. I didn't know this until mclovin pointed out that Russell Wilson junior. Third has never lost to an AFC opponent and home. The five and two chargers. My five into chargers. Visit Seattle over the weekend. I would not be surprised if Seattle won this game. I don't know if the chargers are going to be fully assembled still waiting for a Nick Bosa Joey Bosa, they might be waiting for Nick Bosa to if you look back on Wilson in the Seahawks. They have defeated Tom Brady and twenty twelve there they defeated Peyton Manning and the Broncos in twenty four teen, and they defeated Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers in twenty fifteen so the Steelers are chargers have opened up as a two and a half point underdog. Not surprised at that. So Seattle in close one there. I'm surprised the Alabama spread is fourteen against issue. At LSU in a top four team. Yeah. Point LSU doesn't look at rankings TV from owes. I'm sorry Vegas. Doesn't look at that stuff. They don't like what a great matchup. Sounds like oh we wanted to be a great matchup. But boy, doesn't that tell you about the disparity college football. Yeah. Mclovin. I've seen the headline question is Nick Sabin best Alabama. Is it? I don't know. I mean, you got a great quarterback. They finally have a great quarterback. Yeah. They've had good quarterbacks. AJ McCarron was a legitimate passing quarterback. But you know to is to a great quarterback. It's always comes down same thing. But it's defense like they have a great defense. Now, they used to be a running team. I don't think we single out there running attack this year. But it just feels like that quarterback is so good and defenses. So good. Yeah. Mclovin. So down it's November you starting to really look at your Heisman vote and think about it or kind of wait to all evidences in you have to wait. But you win this month. This is when you win the Heisman we wanna handed out in September and October. But this is when you win it, and then we handed out in December. But it's hard to go against two. I'd like for him to play the fourth quarter. I'd be curious about that. I mean, his numbers are going to be skewed because we're gonna go you only through that many touchdowns or through for them in yards. He's not playing full games here. That's why I'm looking at these numbers that were put up by Patrick Mahomes. And you know, he threw sixty times in a game and threw for, you know, seven hundred yards and just cra-, but he's playing a full game to doesn't play. They don't need him to play a full game. That'd be scary. Mclovin. So the chief say Brown's Mayfield in Mahomes play. And everyone's looking back at this one game. I'm sure you watch it or homes that Mayfield what often each other? It was like sixty six to fifty five or something didn't they combined for like nine hundred passing yards? Like, yeah. Oh, they said seventeen hundred total yards of offense Mahomes had seven hundred thirty four. Okay. Yeah. That's it. He hey, twelve seventy nine combine yards record. Oh my God. Yeah. Polling to other quarterback at Alabama. His quarterback rating is two hundred and thirty eight point eight. There's quarterbacks the NFL quarterback rating is one third of that. And they're pretty if we combined how many quarterbacks do we have to combine to get that rating. That's like three Mitch trubisky's like two and a half inches. He's twenty his twenty five touchdowns zero assumptions that's a ratio of twenty five zero glove. It's a different rated, right. I've always actually, no, I I think be isn't a perfect NFL one fifty eight I have no radio at all. Then there's QBR which is ESPN stat. Which is. Yeah. Perfect quarterback rating. If you throw an incompletion like Russell Wilson, I think the other day had perfect, but he was fourteen for seventeen. So if he was seventeen for seventeen he wouldn't have gotten any more points. Qodian Tennessee joins us. Hi, cody. What do you have for me today? And we're here, I'm badger party. We're just watching the show in the morning coming from last night. And we got an internal bet on who's the doll in front of the computer. We got flash Gordon or we have who's Bobby Knight. No. He coached at Arkansas. This is the outfit from a coaching in Arkansas the doll that I'm holding up. That's Lou Holtz. Yeah. All righty. Hey, who's the most banged up at the bachelor party there? Yeah. We got a little brother here that type of trouble hanging around. Is anybody still sleep? No, we're all up in and then and then what? We got screwdrivers and buddy married going right now. And then we got a nice little house vote out here. We're gonna take your on the lake and see when you get in trouble. You know, what if somebody shaves off one eyebrow? I'm gonna put the picture on TV in the next twenty minutes. If if some done deal. Okay. All right. So we're gonna put you on home. Mario is going gonna get your information. And then in ten minutes, I need that pictures sent to us, and we'll put it up on the big screen here. Cody. Thank you. Like little brothers getting. Kemira little brother, brother eyebrow liver? Yeah. All right. We'll take a break last. 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There is there is. Doctors said something in the eighties. You know, Sports Illustrated. You believed he was he was football back. Then mclovin you worked with Dr Z? Yeah. You had it in for four years. You know, he was a character. I think you probably read into he was, you know, either loved him or your. Rasa. Our? Our? But he was gruff. Yeah. He was gruff. But you know, what that was his personality. He he didn't he didn't older it do you? Remember, he candy coated when he was on the original draft analyst with were you ever part of that still t- at at at that time? Yeah. I think I was still at CNN. But yeah, now, I was never part of the NFL. Yeah. He was covering him Berman and bobbly did the draft at one point then and then Howard balls are from from sporting news. But it was like at a hotel football weekly. Yeah. I went to the Marriott marquee. I I remember the first draft that was eighty four and a member going in. There's nobody there is nothing like it is now just you know, the draft picks weren't showing up. You just have guys on those helmet phones. That was also the passing Willie McCovey stretch McCovey at the age of eighty Johnny bench called. Yesterday to say make sure you remember just how great Willie McCovey all right last. Call for phone calls meet Friday anymore. Meet Friday song, Seton? That's it. That's it. Well, right ever some good ones. Can you bring back the Tom petty one? See if you can do that. All right. Let me go to James in New York, James goody ant for me today. How's it going good? Sixty. But the poll question Christian Meitner kicked you out of the most beautiful people. And he also kept shack off from the night from the. Jack Davis college players. I mean, he was getting looked at Hollywood you had one eight. I mean, usually out of college known as one name by the time, you get out of college broke every record that was in states down here again. I mean, one of the biggest guys ever people saw obviously was cast in movies almost instantly. Yeah. But later Leitner was a better college player than shack. Thank you. I mean, you know, athletically, Shaq was more Atlantic. But Leitner Lakers one of the top players of all time. You you. You can't deny it. Whether you don't like him or not. You know, that's a very short list of people who were better than Christian Leitner. And he was great in big games. He always great. And big games. We were just saying no matter what Tibo did or didn't do in the pros college careers impeccable. Yeah. Yeah. You can't take that away from same with Manzo. Can't take that pro career or college career way from all right? Final results of the poll question. Mclovin. So most famous college athlete of all time. Tim Tibo actually won and Lew. Alcindor second. Yeah. I would say luau Synder. I think Tibo we got to Tibo time when he got to the pros. We learn more about him. When he was in college. He was a he was a very good player on great teams. I mean, he won the Heisman any put up some big numbers. But I mean Menzel 's Manziel had a better numbers than Tim tebow. When when you look at Manziel, let the SEC and rushing. Like seventeen hundred yards or something crazy like that? Mind boggling what what he did that one year? Crazy. Do we got an eyebrow? Update. I this is called the cold feet report. The we're hearing reports out of the Nashville hotel room that the guys at the over from the bachelor party. No one wants to step up losing eyebrow. Well, how about the little brothers little brother being held down right now in an eyebrow taking off. Yeah. Come on four you call this a bachelor party. They have three minutes. Speaking has a little brother. That's your role in life is to have your older brothers friends pick on you come on. Cody and Tennessee, Cody there. Yeah. What what's the what happened where? We got someone that is not not complying here is that the little brother. Yep. About having a job or something like that. Come on. You're only gonna have one bachelor party. That's right. Cody, Cody, I'm gonna do I'm gonna take the under that on on this marriage. Hey, come on. Now the over under is four and a half five and a half years. I'm going under. All right. Thank good luck. Cody. Thank all, right. Take care. That's Cody from his bachelor party in Nashville hotel. Maybe. Yeah. Little brother come on love, the bachelor party call in. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see anything else needs to be mentioned here. Anybody calling for the gimme the upset this week. Do the Packers beat the patriots. You can have Rams over the saints. Which is not a big upset. Anybody want LSU Alabama? And it's not what the points. I'm talking about sets outright upset. Chargers over the Seahawks. Northwestern. Seaton's going north western over his fighting Irish of Notre dumb. How about Kentucky over Georgia? What's the line on that one? Kentucky can't be favored. Efforting? I don't I don't know if people are you going to be surprised if north western this games at northwestern. Right. It's in Evanston. I I wouldn't be surprised at northwestern won this game. Yup. Kentucky is getting ADA hook, man. What are the patriots favored by? Five. Said it Foxborough. Yeah. So I got the patriots actually between five and six, okay. By the way that chargers. Seattle lines pretty close even that that'll be a pick em by gametime. Yeah. That's that's a hard one to call. I would not want to bet on that game. Chargers playing. Well, and they're not fully assembled which is great news for me their Super Bowl aspirations Rams, minus one. Okay. Fritzy? Would you learn today if you don't wanna see the raiders quit we can comfortably say, they did not look inspired at all last night. Mclovin. Vince Carter says he's the best out of UNT. Paulie? 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Hour 1: Raiders

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Hour 1: Raiders

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A what went down in Cleveland, but we start with an ugly night for the Oakland Raiders they fall to one in seven on the season. After losing last night thirty four to three forty Niners quarterback. Nick Mullins, though, he made his first start in the NFL in threw three touchdowns two zero interceptions on the other side. Their car was benched in the fourth quarter after getting sacked seven times. Jon gruden. I'm just trying to get people excited about the the Oakland Raiders, Oakland Raiders. Is a great organization. I know it's not looking pretty right now. But I've heard a lot of negativity over the last six or seven months, and rightfully so. But we're going to build a championship football team here. And I know a lot of people as players as fans and. Just in general want to be a part of this. So Jon Gruden thinks people still want to come play the Oakland, Raiders, David. What are you seeing? I think it's embarrassing personally speaking, and I think that Jon Gruden is coming across as a bit delusional. First of all of us understand something here the rate the rate is stink. We all know this. They want to seven on the God awful. They haven't lived up to any kind of expectations whatsoever. They expectations for them wearing that great to begin with. But then when you combine that with the fact that you've got Jon Gruden speak in the way that he spoke. I will tell you what I'm seeing. I said this this morning on get Louis Riddick and my Greenberg max will this to me is tantamount to what transit in New York with the Knicks when James Dolan born on Phil Jackson. There were people about the protest outside of Madison Square Garden because New York Knicks were so damn off. And what happened is the heat? That James Dolan was feeling was percolating the such degree that he needed something to ward off wolves downs. Bounds. It's all incomes. Phil Jackson highs Phil Jackson in the spring. Okay. Let them know. This is going to be the face of the franchise. We're going to defer to this, man. This is demand is going to be running the show and from that point four folks backed off for a couple of years, and even when there was some vitriolic be extended their way, it almost really was almost rarely was James Dolan mentioned the Iowa's aimed in the direction of Phil Jackson. Now, this is the situation in Oakland. Because what you have is a situation. Mark davis. You hearing about demand not having but not having deep pockets you hearing about this man, looking forward to move in Vegas because when they make the move to Vegas, he'll have more money in his pockets, and until Dan Jon Gruden has been assigned the clean house. So he didn't really just take one hundred million dollars to be a football coach. He took the hundred million dollars to be a shield to ward off the shrapnel a criticism and vitriol that was aimed in the direction of ONA. Mark Davis any way you slice it. That's the only thing that Jon Gruden and appears to be doing a good job off because this isn't a former offensive coordinator in. Filadelfia a former head coach won a Super Bowl title in Tampa, a former head coach who was in Oakland, and you look at this team right now. And it's like to listen to him talk about rate a nation as if it's something popular and something people are gonna gravitate to. I don't think makes much sense. Look Nick Mullins was uniquely qualified to have the kinda game. He had yesterday because he used to playing against practice squads. He's playing against the scout team, right usually so he played against the Oakland Raiders. I'll tell you the truth. The scout team actually is trying to do something. Those players are trying to make a team this Oakland Raiders team has quit on Jon Gruden obviously that was a quick job. Now, I understand what gruden's coming Trump because this iterating of the team is not the team that's going to wind up in Vegas. And you mentioned it, Stephen. There are rumors, and there's a lot of talk in football about the idea that look odd. Obviously if a team needs to relocate, right? It's because financially their reasons they wanna leave X place and go to why place they wanna leave Oakland. They want to go to Vegas. And so if they're strapped for cash, then the expensive players got to go, and that dovetails very nicely with John gruden's rebuilding plan. But you're right Gruden is there as a human shield in another way because if you need to get rid of expensive players, and you bring in a coach who's kinds of wants to make the team in his own show. He's getting rid of expensive players. The coach takes what you call the shrapnel. In the meantime, what I didn't like about yesterday was whoever Gruden had on the team to start the season. They were playing hard except for the second half against the Rams where they were just overwhelmed by the best team in football except for the second half against the Rams all through the early stages of this season. You thought they're not talented enough. But he has them playing hard. He does not have them playing hard right now this team has quit on Gruden. Can you Rick? Capture that if a team quits on a coach, can you recapture their attention, their dedication, or do you have to just swap everybody out of thinking in gruden's case, you can recapture it because you don't plan on keeping the players day. Anyway, you're going to you're trying to face lift the franchise, and because you're in the process of doing that you'll be playing with you'll be you'll be coaching with new players, you know, in the seasons to come. And as a result of that. Maybe he can pull it off with these particular plays that he had on a full. They quit last night. There's no question. Max is absolutely right. Who's an embarrassing for some twenty four yard touchdown catch. I mean, how how wide open do you have to be? You got a seventy one yard catch and run by this kid, George kennels. You got another run most star Mazda. You just look at these guys the fifty two yard scamper by him. And I'm like if some it looked like a screen pass. It was a pass, but look like a sleeping and you see the entire right side of the field. What open you literally he literally travelled about thirty yards before. Oh, you saw an Oakland raider in the facility to try and tackle him. That's how bad it was last night. And you don't anticipate seeing something like that. I'll say Jon Gruden Tanis west Trump sorry to answer your question. The the reason it's so hard. I don't think you can get him to start playing again this season. The reason it's so hard to keep a rebuilding call it a program from quitting is the same reason. The NFL players union has such a hard time negotiating with the league because it is a diverse locker room, and I just don't mean about backgrounds. I mean about what point in their careers is everybody, right? The veterans rookies guys we've already made money guys who haven't guys with families guys who haven't. So there are too many different agendas on a team. It's difficult enough to get a group of guys under good circumstances to really come together. But under these circumstances, you're not going to be able they're going to be too many elements in the locker room to many different individuals in the locker room who say I don't need them back together, by the way, we'll imacs Jon Gruden is the only one is not. The only one that sounds delusional. How about debit card? I'm in here for the long haul. Who's to say you have that choice Darrow scared right now hold you who told been open two who Tony Judas, right? Who told you make that choice who told you you got the power to make that decision to be your answer to me guys and whatnot you can recapture a team. I think says that team last night didn't just quit on Gruden in one game. They quit on him for a season. You both said that by implication, if he can't get this team back. They're done for the season. Let me get you really quick on one thing. Jon Gruden says we will build a championship team here. Do you believe I don't believe him first of all he never had to build a championship team before? Because when he was in Tampa that was Tony Dungy's team that was built for him to capitalize off of. He didn't build a championship team in Oakland. Even though one could argue the whole tuck rule was implemented because we all know that that started the era of Tom Brady because Oakland Raiders got robbed. That was a fumble. Okay. That wasn't a four pass or whatever that was a fumble Charles Woodson. I'm sorry. I don't want to bring that up the press. That might depress up, but that is the truth. And the reality is is that when you look at Jon Gruden and what we know he knows football. He did an exceptional job for us calling the games he knows football. But to me, the most unforgivable portion of all of this is not about giving up Khalil Mack the player, it's the persona and the mystique of the Oakland Raiders and somebody who personified that that Jon Gruden preached about you started to let him you. Let him go Amari Cooper. You move him. You don't even consult the team you got people talking about how you got around picks. I'm just I'm just saying I'm just saying the manner in which he has gone about doing things it's been a turnoff of those players. He needs to go on to say this had to move on. I will say this. I don't think gruden's gonna win a championship. Because after all he took over a Tony Dungy team that was at the doorstep to begin with. And I don't consider him one of the three or four or five best coaches in football. However, I do think that it's way too early to know. And I suspect the answer is he will turn this team into a powerhouse given how many top draft picks they're going to have. Going forward, and given this is not the team that's going to land in Vegas in two thousand twenty that team should be stacked. I mean, they have to screw up the draft in several consecutive years for the hassle. Our let's move on for only the second time in their careers. Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers are going to face off against each other this weekend. They're only other matchup came in two thousand fourteen Rogers one that one twenty six to twenty one the side note here this is the tenth regular season matchup in the NFL history between players who have multiple MVP awards. Max who wins this game Packers? We're gonna win. And I thought the Packers were going to upset the Rams last week. And I thought so 'cause I didn't think the Rams will be undefeated. And they're gonna lose a game. They should win at home against the Packers. Who haven't looked great this year Rogers has been hurt? But Rogers was as health is healthier than he's been all season against the Rams. And those were the reports coming out and the whole team got healthy. You guys were playing out of position guards, we're playing tackle. And when you get your tackles back, healthy and your guards are now playing. Guard. They did a really nice job in the interior against the Ran's interior, which is no joke. I like the offense of line on the Packers. A lot went healthy. They're healthy. Packers have a running game. Now with Jones they got they got a guy who can run the ball. The Packers have arid of some facsimile of Aaron Rodgers back when they didn't have that in the past. They're coming off the game where if not for time Montgomery's, very bad decision. And he's gone. I think they were going to win that game. Give Aaron Rodgers the ball with two minutes left and the job is to get in field goal position. I think you're gonna win the game. I think this Packers team is coming together at the right time. And I don't think that this patriots team is going to be fourteen and two or something like that. The Packers pulled off the upset. I don't trust the pack as defense. That's why I'm not picking them up picking the New England Patriots understand everything you're saying about Green Bay's offense. And obviously when you think about what Patrick Mahomes did to them when you take about when you when you look at something like that. For example. I can't blame anybody. But the flip side. To all of this is that I'm looking at the New England Patriots. You've got the fourth rank offense. You've got Tom Brady, obviously who bought a way even though these completed sixty seven percent of his passes and having the greatest James got sixteen now seven interceptions Tom Brady has done better before. But no doubt you're trying to figure things out. You didn't have junior adamant earlier you got him now, rob gronkowski. He should be ready to roll. You've got you look at their running game. James white was utilized. He was the second lead receiver this past week in the way, they've been utilizing him out of the backfield towards a catch and run. I think we've got to pay attention to that Sony. Michelle can run the football as well. Both are better than four yards per rush on their carry. So I look at that look at the use of Josh, Gordon. I look at the use of gronkowski. I think about adamant I think about HOGAN, and I think that you could you're talking about a potential shootout, no doubt. But I think ultimately the game being in Foxborough with the weapons that New England has and the suspect defense that I still believe Green Bay has regardless of how they looked last week against Los Angeles. I'm. Traded Ha's Dick's, and that's would seem to be a hit. But this is a team that's drafted. That's you look at the teams who really spent a lot of draft capital in a certain area of their team doesn't always work out Seattle and New York has spent a lot of draft capital on offensive line hasn't exactly worked out. But the this happened with the Rams under Jeff Fisher. There were so bad for so long. They kept draft. And all of a sudden, it's like, wow, David stockpile of town. I mentioned the same thing's going to happen with Oakland. The reports of the Packers secondary or exaggerated how bad that secondary's. They have spent a lot of draft capital in that area. And I wouldn't say it's like Pittsburgh. In fact, I think there's reasons for optimism they have some athletes back there. One of the reasons they didn't want. They didn't wanna pay a safety who could play is because they have talent in the defensive backfield. And I think what you're talking about. In terms of the way, you match up with the patriots. Green Bay is defensively able to do that a little better than people know max, you got a lot of intangibles working against you. That's fine. You can analyze the Xs and os. But think about what this team is coming off of a demoralizing loss to the Rams a team that seems to have traded away players that could help them this season. And on the other side of the ledger. You got a guy Tom Brady is looking at possibly his last match up with Rogers. I don't know, man. Those intangibles seem to say don't bet against the you know, what they'll do. You think the Packers are going to miss the playoffs? The one interesting thing about the NFL when you have a quarterback the likes of Aaron Rodgers you hardly ever missed the playoffs even the other year when he said, I think we're going to run the table. You looked at the schedule. What was it six eight games? They had to they had to win a ton of games, consecutively. And you looked at you. So I don't know if they're going to win that game or that. And he ran the table like it's hard for me to imagine. Aaron Rodgers missing the playoffs. They're going to have to win these kind of games here and there to get in. They lost it to the Rams. In fact, I don't think it's demoralizing. I think they can ride the momentum of almost beating the Rams but coming up short and take the Foxborough. You're a cliff guy you both love the bad, man. Who can I mean? It was going to have the better game Rogers or Brady. I actually I'm going to sit up there and call it a pickup. I think it's going to be pass over three hundred and fifty yards of this game on both sides. And at least at least if I did because I learn from the best in that category. Would be you the point is that I do think it's hundred and fifty plus yards. I do think that about three percents. I'll go with Brady I'll go with break. Aaron Rodgers is going to do things on the field that you can't believe someone could do in the answer is Aaron Rodgers because he's better cannot let me throw this caveat. In the only way that Amer Rogers has better numbers than Tom Brady on this particular Sunday is because is if New England's running attack is affected if James white Sony. Michelle a run in a bull football effectively then Brown Tom Brady wouldn't have to throw as much. We know Amerada. Go ahead. Burs because okay, we'll have a run game and also have a healthy wi-. And in fact, the run game should help the quarterback perform more efficiently I'm saying when the game is over you're gonna look and go yet Rogers was the better. Okay. My name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like this is good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking at all. Like, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Make the switch and J L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. To do here. Now is create the best environment moving forward. Not only for the players, but for the coaching staff is willing. And that's what I was. So focuses on right now is the second half of the two thousand eighteen season moving forward. And we did what we thought was best for the organization. I think that we put the organization a better place today than it was yesterday moving forward or a couple of the decision. And now former Browns head coach Hugh Jackson joins us here on I take exclusively. Appreciate your flying into New York. Thank you for having me through the bear, the dec- take us take us, please. If you would into your meeting a little bit earlier this week with Jimmy has lem and John Dorsey when management came in. What did they tell you about why you were fired this week? I think about online let's just be clear. I mean, we didn't win enough. You know at the end of the day when you look at it. We didn't win enough games. The matter how you cut it, regardless of what they said or how they said it you gotta win enough games. These jobs. There's there's thirty two of them, you know, and I was fortunate and blessed by and Jimmy to have opportunity to be one of thirty two. But at the end of the day when you look at it, you gotta win enough games. And we didn't why did you win enough games? Coach. Well, I think you know, obviously this year when I look at our our team we were in a lot of games when I think of the four overtime games. You know, again, it comes back to us as coaches, I we needed to coach better put our guys in the situation of finish. Games at the end. Because if you do then I probably wouldn't be sitting here right now. But at the same time, you know, I think our players they would tell you they fought as hard as they could. They did everything they could give us an opportunity to win those games. We just did not get it done coach. How would you describe your relationship with OC Todd Haley, again, you know, I hired Todd. I brought Todd into the organization. I understood the personality. I was getting when I brought him in Greg Williams is no different again. Because I thought we need a guys that could change the narrative in Cleveland. I think we need strong personalities the lead both sides of the ball because we need to come out and play extremely well. So again, my relationship with Todd is still my relationship with him. And what I mean by that. I mean, we haven't talked since we both departed. But I think you know, again, I think we respect each other's football. If you could do it again would you bring Todd Haley in. Well, I think I said it very clearly in my mind, I got this job because I. Was an offense of coach. But when you go, you know, one in fifteen on sixteen I think people forget that you still do know how to coach. And so at the time we made a decision to move in a different direction. Kind of let me be the CEO of the organization and bring in a offense coordinator when you look back at it now. And I wish I would have kept going what I was doing. What got me the job in the first place a couple of things I wanted to get into and a couple of questions, obviously, it'd be somewhat dicey. But I gotta ask you first things. I did you really higher Todd Haley, Greg. What you're so. Because you have people out there that are looking at the GM and thinking that it was forced upon you to have those coordinators. Those were your hires with my hires and those hires were very strategic for me. I knew that Todd. Haley was a proven offense of play caller veteran play caller in our division. You know, why would you not? I mean, let's be honest. I knew I was on the clock. I mean, you can't be one in fifteen sixteen and thank you know, you can go through the season not when football game. So I wanted to surround myself with guys. Is that have done it and done it at a high level? And Todd Haley was definitely one. We also look at your like, you said you've been enough as Gordon there you in office, Gordon in Washington Lanta, obviously Cincinnati would have your head coach for one year in twenty eleven and Oakland, we get all of that. But when I think about what you're talking about in terms of you having an offensive mind, you also knew the reputation of Todd Haley when you hire. So you didn't have to go that route you're well respected in a lot of people in the NFL. No, you you're friends with a lot of those guys. Why Todd Haley above so many others when you knew what kind of personality that he may have had. And I respect you asking that question. But when I think back through when I think of our division. I think the fastest way to make an impact would a team that hadn't won a lot of games is in your division. Here's a guy as I mentioned earlier had done a great job within the division of playing these teams and been very successful. Why not tidily, you know, again, everybody has different personalities, but at the end of the day is truly about winning. You do what you think is best to put the team in a situation that have success coach appreciate your accountability. And humility and talking about your record. I think we all do. But the reason I think that all three of us are asking about Todd Haley, the reports are that your relationship with Todd. Haley was at the center of your fire, and you heard the owner Jimmy house. I'm talking about internal discord how much did your relationship with Todd Haley contribute to you being fired this week, you know, Jimmy and John would have to answer that question. I don't really think it was truly just about disc internal discord. I said that I think that's a strong word. You think you have disagreements with coaches with Todd would would Greg Williams with Amos Jones. Who's also the special teams coordinator. I don't think that's internal discord. I think when you look at it as I said earlier the organization made a decision going to different direction. I think we look at the record from the first two years combined to where we were at that particular point in time. I think me coming out and saying that I wanted to help and assist any offense of football. Team. And I think when you really have to look at it. It's truly really about Baker Mayfield. I think they want to do everything they can to put him in a situation. I mean, you got the first pick of the draft who I think's going to be a franchise quarterback who's going to be a sensational player and he's not playing as well. You know? So again here is the perfect storm to move forward and move on. And I have to respect to the session that they may coach. Get the Baker Mayfield in the second. But two of the things that have been ported about and talked about were from hard knocks which I love watching hard knocks because you get to be a fly on the wall. But two moments that are held against you in press reports especially of the firing where with Todd Haley when he used the word scared, right? Like, we can't be we can't be or fears. We can't coach from our live in our living, our fears like you remember that? Well. And then also tyrod Taylor talking to you about about accountability. And the way that's been framed by some media reports is it makes you look for lack of a better term week. They're trying to kind of frame it that way. What do you say that? I think you just said it, I think people frame things what he want to. I mean, let's be honest. A lot of this stuff is about sound sound soundbites when I think back to the tyrod Taylor situation. First tyrod wouldn't tell me what to do tyrod was making us suggestion because I was talking about the offense getting in and out of the huddle, Bashar he said coach, maybe what you need to do is video it so everybody can see it. I thought that was a great suggestion that was nothing more than that. And the first point that you mentioned about is just living in our fear. We I think Todd's point was I didn't wanna get guys injured. We've done a great job of really using the data that we had in our facility to stop with soft tissue injuries. We hadn't had any. And I think when you come from a different organization everybody does things differently. But we had did the work in new without question that if we did it the way we did it. We would not get anybody injured. And so I think he didn't understand nor was that important to him to understand. Exactly what we had done two years prior to where we had no soft tissue injuries. So I think that's where all that came from. I want to ask you this question. First of all, we appreciate you being here. Thank you for being expressly so short after everything has happened. I really appreciate that. But I gotta ask you if somebody's out there looking and they asked this question to you. Why are you here right now? Why are you talking about this? So soon after your firing what would the what would the answer to that question? Be because I want people to understand. I mean, I'm I'm human just like anybody else at the end of the day. I didn't do enough. We didn't do enough to get the job done in Cleveland. So what am I supposed to do? I'm not going to go crawl into a hole say full the cover of. I guess what? I'm asking is. Do you believe that what transpired in Cleveland has been is being misrepresented misconstrued by the public? At large is leaking out in the Browns organization. Some false reports that you want to address what's the ultimate incentive. No, the ultimate was come here today and answer whatever questions that anybody had to really kind of. Set the record straight. I think the part about internal discord. I think that was a little much over the top. I think there's more to it in my mind than that. I wanted people to know that I'm still the same football coach I wish there years ago. It isn't it cleared at the owner feels that way when he says what he says. And it's one thing we usually see a head coach get fi but to fire the head coach and the offensive coordinator mentioned the two words internal discord. He's basically saying Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley Warren on the same page, they weren't getting along. And they were jeopardizing the development of our number one overall pick who happens to be our quarterback and Baker Mayfield. That's what I took from what I asked him set, and I can respect you taking it that way because they did fires both. But at the same time, I was there every day and saw it. I gave Todd total autonomy of the offense of football team. I didn't call the play. So that is what it is. At the end. I made a statement after we play Tampa that I wanted to get in. In the offense because I seen that it wasn't going into direction. I wanted it to and I think that was only fair at the end of this three years. What if anything would you do differently about the your experience in Cleveland? You know, there's a lot of things when I look back on that. I would be different. You know, hindsight is is always important. But as you know reality in life, you don't live in hindsight. So you have to handle a little saying it happening. But I think when I look back is first thing I would not have ever given away the offense. You know? That's what I got hired for you know, if you're gonna go out, you go out doing the things that you know, that you truly believe in. But again that was a tough spot. You know, when like I said when you wanna fifteen on sixteen and you're in a situation where there's been a lot of losing already. I mean, it's tough to make those choices and decisions coach. What have you learned about dealing with the media because you're sitting here answering questions, honestly, it seems to me, but reports are and in fact the way I took some of your comments is well, he's throwing people under the bus. He's making excuses. He's. Right. How do you? So have you learned anything in terms of how to deal with these media quest? Oh, and there's no question. But I think at the end of the day, you can always be honest and fair. I mean, I don't want my players always know modest and fair. And I think to a man there at the Cleveland Browns. They'll tell you that I don't think people say that people get thrown under the bus. I am surprised and shocked when people say that I really don't understand what that means. You know, when you say you're throwing somebody an organization or player or this or that under the bus players not doing his job. I think it's your right to say he's not doing his job if he is doing his job, and we praise him, you know, in advance. What you call them out on it and some guys needed a different weight and others. And most of the time you handle it yourself because you are the head of it all but at the same time, I do get surprise by so many things that says that I throw people under the bus different situations on the bus. I think if people go will really go and watch for the majority of time, I take I have taken it all I've taken it all for the organization. In the football team and anybody else that dealt with the Cleveland Browns, are let's do this. Let's take a quick break. We have more questions for coach. We'll we'll talk about Baker Mayfield your view of him. Maybe what you would have done differently with Baker Mayfield as well. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it get there. Get there. I'll get there. Now. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. What's best button-down? What's this button? Bill button-down this. Believe at geiko could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Now, we're back with former Browns head coach Hugh Jackson. We appreciate your candor, you're still answering questions, and we thank you for that. You're gonna hang out for most of the show today. Talk little football as well. But let's keep going on your experience in Cleveland. And let's talk a little bit about Baker make a moment ago. You told the three of us that if you had one thing you could change you wouldn't have given away your offense you wouldn't have given Todd Haley ability to call plays. That's something you think is your expertise and specialty. So keep it to yourself. What would you have done different with Baker Mayfield? And that offense. I think you have to do everything you can to make him successful. I think you have to go back to Oklahoma and use all the concepts that made him be who he was the first pick of the draft. I think you do everything you can to do to play the way he plays. And I think you build your offense a football team in your system to his liking because that's what's gonna make him. The best version of him. When I think of big twelve stars a lot of that football's being played now, I think of Mahomes having this incredible year. Everyone's wide open. He's throwing to but I saw with you guys. Baker Mayfield has to thread the needle on like every play. Why did he have to thread the need? Why we're in guys open? Well, I mean, it's not so much guys for not open or open. I think we've played a traditional style of football. And that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. But again the question that was asked of me is what would you do with Baker? You know, I think that's where I, you know, I think the rubber meets the road. You have to do everything you can to make him successful. And if you're gonna do that, then you go back and do the things that made you draft him as the first pick of the draft. Gotta look I got a look at you. Respectfully, coaching has discretion in terms of cope ability. I know that you say you take some of the cope ability at all. But but listen to this. You said Todd Haley you gave him complete control of the offense. Even though your background is that as an offensive coordinator. I mean, that's where you made your bones. Right. Absolutely. Obviously, you're not if you gave Todd Haley dominion, you certainly. Gave Greg Williams dominion over the defense. Right. So if folks out there looking at you the question, we're beg. Okay. Exactly. Then what did you do because you gave the offense to Todd and you gave the defense to Greg? What does a coach do if you succeed if you Seapower? He's like that you manage your both of those guys and special teams eyes and ears. You also making sure that you cross the t's and dot the i's for those coaches, but was Todd Haley listening to you. Why at the end of the day? I think what was most important is that we just didn't get it done on offense. I think that's the message that should be out there that we did not play as well on offense to get it. Well, the reason I'm challenging that coaches. Because one listen the record speaks for itself. Like, you said you guys did win enough games. But the owners didn't stop there if the owner and general manager went up on that podium, and they said we didn't win enough, and they left it at that. I get that. They didn't say that they said internal discord those are the words that they. That used guest San they fired two guys on the offensive side of the ball assigned to develop their number one overall pick which is a quarterback. So again, I'm going to come back to that same question that terms of you and Todd Haley did the man listen to you while obviously there were some things that we wanted to do differently. Obviously, I wouldn't have come out after the Tampa Bay game and said I wanted to help come. I think rather he listened or not a rather. There was strong discussions or not. I think at the end of the day, I'm gonna keep saying we just didn't get it done on offense. Coach when you help me understand something you made it very clear to max. And Stephen in our previous segment that you hired Todd Haley that was your decision. I read your interview with Mary Kay cabinet Cleveland dot com, and you talked about the fact that you want to take over play calling recently, go back to your often. If you're going to go down go down swinging what you want, and you wanna talk today owner Jimmy house him about that as recently as Monday when in a meeting you ended up being fired. Why if you had the ability to? To hire. Todd Haley, did you have to ask permission to take over play calling. Well, because at the end of the day, we're still a collaborative group. You know, I think the owner and GM is also involved in that. You know, obviously, that's how we have our organization setup at the time. And that was the way we're we're going to go about it. So anything any decisions I made that way. There's nothing that I wouldn't have not run by Jimmy house lemon. John reason. I think all these questions are getting at a central theme here. I was critical of Dan Quinn, for example, coach, but he came from a situation where he was a coordinator watched the other corner to make a mistake in the Super Bowl and that had the power to stop his coordinator from doing the same thing the next year and didn't do it. The buck has to stop somewhere. I guess wills question. Stephen as question if you have some autonomy as the head coach, then why sit back and allow it to happen. And then say because I'm part of a group. Well, it sounds as though you're you're there's a lot of if only I could have had it perfect. But nothing's perfect. Absolutely. But I think you said it I think after this last game. That's when I had made a decision. It was time to do something different. I mean, I think you said it very clearly. I had watched enough and saw enough to say that we're not trending in the right direction. It's time to do something different. And that's what I was attempting to do you as you sit back and reflect on everything that happens. And obviously you were there we weren't. And you know, the situation that you were in how fair was all of this debate view considering what they describe me has limit Dorsey. The fact that they let you and Todd Haley go the fact that you talked about it's a collaborative effort, but clearly you aren't on the same page offensive coordinator because you thought some things could have been done differently. How fail was all of this to Baker Mayfield. And based purely on Baker Mayfield, not the record book. Puglia? Baker Mayfield did has limited Dorsey make the right decision. And letting you guys go in light of the situation that existed internally again, I mean when you look at it. They made a choice and decision that they think what's best for the organization and for the football team. I've already came out and said I thought it was a little premature. Thank you know. Obviously, I wish they would have given me an opportunity to finish it out. But they didn't. And so again, I have to respect their wishes. You've told us here today you've said in other places you think Baker Mayfield is a sensational quarterback a franchise type guy speaking on regrets. One more time you were adamant during training camp and preseason. Tyrod Taylor gets all the ones all the snaps with the ones Baker Mayfield. He does not. Now you move to Baker Mayfield by week four. How do you view that decision in retrospect now still wouldn't have changed it? I think what we did was the right thing. I think it's tough for these young quarterbacks come in this league and from day one do the things that you need to do to win football games. And I think that's showing himself right now. Even with Baker. I think he's in a tough spot a tough situation. Now, he's a tough minded young man, and he'll do a great job of handling it. But at the same time, it's hard for those young guys. And tyrod Taylor started the seasons for us. He got hurt Baker came in. And that's where they are. Right now. Coach if you had not been given a chance to coach a talented Browns team, which I think this team is then you're a Patsy, right? They have you there to be the coach during a losing record. And then they bring in someone else to coach the more talented team. But they didn't fire you after historically bad run those two seasons. Then you had a talented team. Do you think would you say that you got a fair shot at this job or not? I'm not going to it. I don't think that matters again, the organization's made a decision, and I have to respect it. And we've moved on. I guess for me. The question would be do you think you're going to get another chance? I mean, this situation three thirty six and one is what it is. Like, you said the situation in Oakland in twenty eleven everybody in their mother knows you got screwed on that one. But in the end what it comes down to is. There's an eleven forty four one record as head coach in the National Football League. What do you believe your future is in the national football? Again. I think a lot of great coaches of come before me coaching in Cleveland and the raiders and they'll be. A lot of great coaches coming after me coaching those positions. I truly believe that is not the situation that happened both places who I am as a football coach. I mean, there's a lot of great things that I've learned in this experience, and that will use them be able to apply as I move forward. But I think this is still a wreck again a script that's going to be written as I move on and move forward. I still think that there's another opportunity out there somewhere. And again, you just wanna make sure it's the right fit in the right place at the right time in order to make the magic happen, which is winning. So what's in that script, what's Nick's next? What do you hope that opportunity as well? Again. I hope the next opportunity for me to go back and be a coordinator, first and foremost though, back and put my name back to where it should be among some of the best play collars in this in this league. And to move forward from there, and whatever happens from there, obviously that's going to be God's decision as we move forward. All right, truly appreciate not just appreciate respect you walking in and Q taking these questions giving us your honest candor. All of them. Thank you. And you're not going anywhere. You're gonna hang out football, right? Teams that you didn't necessarily what do you think about all of that? Let's do it.

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Best of The Herd: 10/29/2018

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Best of The Herd: 10/29/2018

"Thanks for listening to the best of her podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine Pacific on Fox Sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin coward on Fox Sports radio. All right. We got a lot of things to address here. We I I don't think I've ever had a Monday show where I have more things to talk about in one hour. We're calling with right. We're calling was wrong. Let's start with this. Breaking news. Breaking news. All right. This is the dysfunction. I said that Baker Mayfield was going to have to overcome Cleveland, just fired their football coach. Let me get this straight. You're two five and one with a rookie quarterback. You've already faced the Steelers twice Baltimore. The chargers at New Orleans. You thought you'd be better than two five and one if I told you to five and one with a game at drew Brees at big band flacco Big Ben Philip river, Utah you'd be better than two five and one by the way, they've gone overtime like thirteen times so far this year. So it's not like you're the players quit on the coach yesterday. Your team played your butt off. You got beat by a better team on the road. So this is the dysfunction. Baker Mayfield is going to have to overcome all these rookie quarterbacks have something to overcome. But baker's gonna have to overcome an organization that now now, I think the reason he got fired and Peter King is gonna join us in fifteen minutes. I hope bad. Optics hard knocks. He looked juvenile and an ego maniac. Hugh Jackson, did and I thought the last couple of weeks. I'm the head coach I'm the head coach, and he looked insecure really bad optics. But the team was playing hard. They had a tough schedule with a rookie quarterback and two five and one is nothing to be embarrassed about. So it's now Todd Haley football team and good luck to all these rookie quarterback's. But this is what I said from day one. This Carson Wentz didn't have to overcome dysfunction. Jared Goff had to overcome it for a year. And look how Batty was you get a rookie quarterback. It's hard enough. Part of me is like this is what bakers got nine more ten more fifty more years of this ridiculous. They got a buy in two weeks. They got a buy in two weeks. You get another two weeks from now Kansas City's next I probably don't want her a place by coach as the chiefs are coming up next. So it just happened five minutes ago. Cleveland's gonna have another go ch speaking of optics, which I think got Hugh Jackson fired. Not just the results the optics. Even a model looks just okay. Next to a supermodel I've been telling you for the last couple of weeks. Sean McVeigh is the NFL supermodel of coaches. He's going to get a lot of guys fired. Sean McVeigh's going to get not just bad coaches. But like Mike McCarthy's good coach got a Super Bowl winning record wins division in fifty two seconds yesterday, the optics once again again, Sean McVay were terrible. Kickoff. Aaron Rodgers is going to get the ball. You know, what happened with Aaron Rodgers gets the ball? All he needs a field goal to win. And yet time aunt Gumri. A marginal player for the Packers brings it out of the end zone. Do take the Aaron then gets one play before the two minute timeout, and you still have one left, and we later found out that Mike McCarthy had told them take a knee. So a marginal Green Bay Packer player. Instead of being all in with his coach says hell with my coach apparently was pouting earlier in the game. He wasn't in a series. He was upset. A marginal player bales on his head coach. And then fifty two seconds later. A super star player Todd Gurley on a collection of superstars conscripts for. In twenty eighteen he goes, no, I believe so much in my coke so much in my system. I just want to win a game. We are in the entertainment capital of the world. We are in the me not we generation and a superstar running back so believes in his team and his coach on a roster full of some dysfunctional guys. I am coach -able a marginal player for the Packers. Hell with my coach. I'm doing my thing that was a horrible horrible look for Mike McCarthy. And I've been saying this. Is that McVeigh's gonna get a lot of people fired McVeigh is young and fit and vibrant and intense and charismatic he is the hottest young CEO in Los Angeles. And Mike McCarthy looked like an old Chicago cop and one of his men in his department. Just bailed on him, and it was for the world to see in one of the great NFL games of the year. Great creates clarity, and Sean McVeigh's going to get a lot of guys run out of this league. By the way, Mike McCarthy's good. I'm not talking Mike McCoy, Mike malarkey. I'm talking Mike McCarthy I'm talking to good coach I'm talking to the guy that winters division. He and Erin of had his duratuss visit real coach. But when you put him up in that fifty two second window juxtaposed against McVeigh were a marginal guy. Marginal guy pouts tries to run out of kickoff fumbles. Do take a knee. Obviously there's too old five left you give Aaron an extra free play. Plus a time out all he needs to feel you might as well give the Packers and win. That makes McCarthy look weak then control his team can't even Detroit as marginal Blair's McVeigh takes a superstar. I mean, weren't you shock when girly did that were you like? That doesn't happen anymore in American sports. And that's in LA and a market that gasses up all the players and tells them how great they are a go to Hollywood and they become stars. Man McVeigh has taken a roster full of guys endemic and soon key to Lee, Marcus Peters, you know, star quarterback Starbucks where it's so potentially combustible and girly does that. By the way, here's Rogers and McCarthy reacting to time Montgomery's decision after the game. Very disappointing. Didn't lose the game. But it definitely. Took away the opportunity for us to go down and win it the plan was to stay in and give the ball Aaron Rodgers plan. There is the stadiums on. Two minutes. We actually talked about it as team. I wanted to be north of two minutes with the one time out. We want to put the ball on Aaron sands. Bad look from Carthy bad look for his leadership. And that's a good coach, but up against Sean McVay in what he's doing made them. Look second tier? Speaking of second tier? Folks. There are very few. Great anything. Great doctors. Great landscapers. Great architects. Great anything. Okay. In baseball. The last great team. We had was the was the Yankees in the late nineties hall of famers that everything great starting staff. Mariano Rivera jeeter leadership as great team. We've done twenty years in baseball since we've had a great team. The Boston Red Sox are great team. They're a great team. I mean, they went eleven three in the playoffs. The dodgers were overwhelmed. The Yankees were overwhelmed. The Astros were overwhelmed the Yankees one hundred games couldn't compete dodgers dominate the nationally couldn't compete Astros. Have maybe the best roster outside of the Red Sox. Baseball, a great manager great staff. Greg couldn't really compete. But this morning, and this is what happens when you face a great team the fan base that loses. We got fire manager. Folks. It's not the manager. Dave roberts. Did not have a great series. You could put Casey Stingl, Tony LaRussa, Joe Torry and whoever invented baseball. And you're not beating the Red Sox. They lead the division virtually the entire year aces two of them closers. Great MVP two candidates defense. Fantastic. Home away. Doesn't matter. Every Red Sox pitcher in this series. Got out. Every dodger pitcher except rookie Walker. Bueller? Couldn't get out. This is what happens when you face a great team. Great teams don't have to play perfect Alabama football replace their quarterback at halftime last year in the national championship game in one great teams can do that the Golden State Warriors had a key injury. Kevin Durant went into the emotional tank in the Western Conference final for a couple of games. It didn't matter. They won. The Red Sox weren't perfect. They don't have to be. But to beat a warriors to beat an Alabama to beat a Red Sox team. Like, this you need perfection, and they didn't get it. Because perfection doesn't exist against great teams. They put more heat on they play faster. They play more efficiently. They got better players. And when you face all time, great the team that loses the fan base is. Oh, well, what about that game? Two in this pitching changing game four in that at bat in game. Yes, it was not a perfectly managed series, but Las Vegas made the Red Sox prohibitive favorites in the World Series and prohibitive favorites in every game except game three in which the dodgers won. But it took him eighteen innings. Folks, we do this every year we always want to blame the managers in baseball when they make one sex of what GM's do it's an analytic sport. But we don't have great teams in sports, very often. We just don't the Red Sox of first great baseball team in two decades. They are stacked everywhere everywhere and further record the Red Sox in the last fifteen years have won the World Series four times with three different managers. Go ahead. Dodgers higher Joe Girardi. He's been fired twice. Hire John Farrell got fired by the Red Sox not long ago. It ain't the manager the best team in baseball in two decades. Made the dodgers look second tier made the dodgers at times. I think AAA ball team made the Astros made the Yankees couldn't compete could not compete against this team. Let's give the Red Sox credit instead of firing people and dumping people in Los Angeles. Somebody's gonna pay for Manny Machado. If Dave Roberts has fired somebody or hire him you face. Great. It's impossible to play. Perfect. And the dodgers didn't as expected be sure. To catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Case of the breaking news today is Hugh Jackson has been fired by the Cleveland Browns. Todd Haley as the offensive coordinator. He's also been a head coach. He's cl-. Clearly capable of coaching this team Cleveland the only way in the National Football League to really turn around a disaster. There's one way to do it. You get the right coach and the quarterback, by the way, Indianapolis Colts for disaster. What did they do? They hired Frank Reich. Andrew luck's back and healthy the colts. Now, others going to bunch of points. I mean, that's the reality of the NFL. You gotta get the coach right in two thousand eighteen and you gotta get the quarterback. Right. Then you get him weapons. Then you protect them with an offensive line, but Cleveland has failed so many times at quarterback, and I wasn't a fan of Baker Mayfield. Because by the way in about two weeks. We're going to get into hail snow wind and rain in Cleveland. And this is a five and eleven and a half kid with a decent. Not a great arm. I thought Cleveland should've taken Carson Wentz a couple years ago from North Dakota six five guy, I thought they should've taken Sam darnold. I like big quarterbacks in northern. Divisions or guys with great arms. Aaron Rodgers Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford if you look at northern divisions in football flacco big band Kotler Stafford Aaron Rodgers big arms. I make proponent of that I wouldn't taken Baker. But since you did you now gotta get it. Right. You can't screw this up. And so to me, go, get Lincoln Riley. And now, you may not be able to do it now, but Oklahoma football is gonna win forever. They'll figure out somebody to get in the big twelve there the football program, Texas of note, and they're even bigger than Texas in terms of winning last thirty years, but to me you got to ensure this works when when you are Cleveland, you have this dysfunction in this paralysis this for years and years the way to get out of it. You're in on the quarterback. And he certainly good enough to win in this league bakers good enough to win. I mean, he's two five and one and their schedule's been brutal. You gotta go get a coach and don't don't go cheap. Don't go. Get an offensive guy to make sure wins now. So. Mary Kay, Cabot who's a very legitimate reporter. I've relied on her for years in Cleveland says Hugh Jackson was fired after meeting with Jimmy has them and John Dorsey who told him the teen had regressed and the leadership wasn't what they wanted Paret league source. Well, John Dorsey never hired, Hugh, Hugh wasn't as coach. So that was that was problematic to begin with these short a catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Right. We do every Monday at this time. We're calling his right. And we're calling was wrong. I'm plenty of both over the last week. And here we go where Colin was right. We are on fire with our football picks. Blazing five another winning week. We picked the Packers to cover but not win against the Rams happened. We picked Seattle go on the road is a dog and win. They did. And we pick the bears to not only win but cover against the injury riddled jets. And they did. In fact, we should have been foreign one. We got a terrible beat on the Bengals buccaneers game where we had the Bengals and we were on the right side and then Tampa back door at but again over sixty percent another winning week with blazing five we have. I've never been this hot before where Colin was raw. I sold all my Seattle Seahawks. Stock at the beginning of the year. Pete Carroll deserves a ton of credit. This is not a rebuilding team. I don't know if they're going to be a playoff team, but they're not a rebuilding team. And they. Kind of they changed it up. Pete said, we're going to be a conservative run first offense last year. They couldn't run the ball at all. They drafted another running back. Although they haven't played their first round running back didn't yesterday. They have become a low mistake pound the football on the time of his ashen and has always play. Good defense. The pizza has been a very good defensive coach. I don't worry about that side. But I told my stock their power running team control the clock. Never turn the ball over and play great defense. And I gotta tell you. I watched them yesterday that wasn't close with Detroit to go on the road in the NFL and dominated team a good quarterback is hard to do. And they come -pletely absolutely controlled the lions who to that point had been playing good for where Colin was right? Oh, yeah. Andrew lock. It's amazing. When you give them a decent offensive line and a decent running game. He second in the NFL and touchdown passes. Which is incredible. When you can. Sydor? He's got one Goto offensive player. T Y Hilton who's been hurt some of the year. Listen, all Andrew luck ever needed was a little protection and the new GM Chris Ballard in two years now less than two years has rebuilt that offensive line especially guard center guard and they're given Andrew luck time to throw. And then they went and drafted a couple of years ago. Got any Marlin MAC a running back. He's been terrific. This is all Andrew Lux ever needed this. He's gonna end up with forty five touchdown passes, potentially. And it's not a great. They don't have a great defense. But every time Andrew luck has been given a little help. He didn't even have pro bowlers around just a little help. He second in the NFL and touchdown pass. Not Aaron Rodgers not Brady not breeze. Andrew luck. Where Colin was raw. Adrian Peterson is fifth in the NFL in rushing. And the only guys he's behind or like Kareem haunting Zeke and girly. I mean, he's always kept himself in remarkable shape. But talk about not see this coming. He's even kind of eliminated most of its fumbling issue then again at one yesterday, but by and large he's not even it's not just that he's picking up three or four yards at a time yesterday. He had a breakaway run. Shocked. I mean, there's some guys in the NFL. You just like give up on. You're like, okay. They're all they're coming off injuries. They're not entirely coach -able. Maybe this is why everybody kept giving him chances. Maybe if the Redskins offensive line, but he has been terrific for Washington. First and second down back. He's been absolutely terrific. Where Colin was right. I said the Minnesota Vikings and the Jacksonville Jaguars would pull back got nothing. But he I said, I don't buy in Saxon Bill long term. And I don't think Kirk cousins is going to solve anything. I think he's fine and the Vikings now are four three in one, and they're tying and losing games. They should win and the Jaguars are three and five and it feels like they've lost the entire locker room. Listen, there are teams in sports that are lightning in a bottle. They get the right schedule their bizarrely healthy, they get elevated play from one or two guys who were averaged players, case keenum. And I this is what I predicted. I said Minnesota's gonna. Pull itself back. There'll be a good team nine and seven, but they're not going to be a great team. And they're not and Saxon Ville, I'm like sorry. When you give yourself a nickname after brief success. You're not the corner office guy. You're the main hallway cubicle guy and both the Vikings. And Jags of an exactly what we predicted where Colin was raw. I did not think Cam Newton would be able to take care of Turner. Because people and he's been MVP got one hundred million in the Bank a million commercials. And I said, you know, the north Turner thing he's going to ask them to do things. You can do doesn't want to do. But I gotta give Kamat credit. He's completing sixty six percent of his throws. He's never been a precision thrower. And he's doing it. Now. He's being totally coach -able everyone of his games. He's been over sixty percent. That's a big deal for Cam. And Cam at a year when he completed fifty three percent of his throws. He's not a precision thrower, six straight. Multiple touchdown passing games. Never done that in his career other five and two in the schedule over the next couple of weeks. They got the lions in Tampa. They could wake up and be a seven two football. All team. I've always seen cameras a mega talent that just going to do what he does. And he's too talented to get rid of. And when he does get hot and they got a running game and defense, but he's camps that a great job two weeks ago against Philadelphia fourth quarter comeback on the roads. The most impressive ever been with Cam Newton. Good for him. I didn't think he'd be this good at ending this coach of all. He's been terrific where Colin was right. Lebron leaves the Cavs their own six and fire their coach we saw this coming about a mile away. Listen, this is an organization that has been over the last fifteen years. The worst franchise in the league when LeBron's not there. That's why they keep getting number one picks. The Brahms number one pick and Kyrie Irving. And then that Anthony Bennett screwed that up. This is not when an organization is inept. It's always about the owner in the front office for years and years to clippers were napped. Why it was the owner? They got rid of the owner. Now, there are at least, you know, gotta punchers chance the minute LeBron left. I told you they're going to go into the tank and be one of the two or three worst teams. And here they are where Colin was raw. Well, I said before the year the giants were a dark horse Super Bowl team. It's very dark there. One in seven. I've been a little off on this. Nothing's working. I mean, I shouldn't say nothing saquon Barkley has been terrific. But it doesn't matter Nate sold or left tackle. I thought would be an upgrade. He's been totally exposed. I thought Pat Shurmur was kind of the guy that could ignite them. He has not been great in the room. I was actually shocked. Brian Cox came on our show before the season. And I was shocked when he said this Jonathan no good now see that that's a little strong the nose. Good. No Guth Nate solder Odell saquon Barkley. No good. No good. No good. Oh, come on. You got pets earners head coach, bro? Yeah. You'll like Pat Shurmur. No. He's a good, man. But I mean look at his record. I mean, I don't I don't see winning coming out of there. Yeahs wrong. Alan I saw winning coming out of there and Brian Cox didn't and he was right. And I was wrong where Colin was right? The Steelers continued to be the most talented team in the league that doesn't appear to care about details. Did anybody notice this yesterday the Steelers game after a safety Cleveland got a free kick? You have to catch it. The Steelers traded it like a punt on that's alive ball. That's what coaches are there to do. Tell players about Ruth rules and stuff. This is why I keep saying this is why don't like them when they match-up against New England with the patriots team do that. You gotta know that stuff. That's your job to know that style. I never doubt Pittsburgh's talent. I never doubted their pass rush. Now is awesome. New. England has no pass rush. The Steelers pass Russia's frightening. But in big games. This is the kind of play you can get away with us against Cleveland. You're not getting away with us against Andy Reid. Do not getting away with us against Bill bell. Come on. This is like division three football play. No the rules where Colin was raw. No. I think I'm right. Aren't I write on this whole Rondo thing where Colin was right now Saturday night Rondos back and LeBron James late in the game passes the ball to Rondo and Rondo has an opportunity here. Dude score. And he didn't you brought them there for q. Like that gonna pull them within one. This is a better team with Lonzo. It's it's a better basketball team with Lonzo ball. They came back. Rondo comes back gets more minutes. And this is what you had. I'm telling you Lonzo makes the cleaner play. He's as smart. He pushes the ball. Rondo is an agitated and disruptive. We've seen it time and time again, Saturday night is another example of Rondo can out think the room he'll end up with nine assess, and I don't like seven of them that moment to me is like Lonzo dunks it and makes the play Rondo as a as a brain fart when you do. Very day are Smith s. Oh, good. Lord. Good. Hell of the Browns. Breaking news. The Browns have also fired offensive coordinator. Todd haley. So I'm gonna eliminate him on the getting the job list. Do they know that they took a quarterback number one overall in the draft? They've got a rookie quarterback. He needs support stability. So the two guys in the room who are the kind of guys who I said before the year. You can't tell me that Hugh Jackson Todd Haley don't know offense. They do. So now you fired Haley, by the way Haley, get a job. Hugh Jackson gonna get coordinator jobs. This is what are you doing to Baker Mayfield? You gotta make this thing work. You gotta you gotta make this thing work. It's just it's madness. Yeah. I mean, it's done the impossible. I feel bad for Baker Mayfield. I can do this kid assaulted. Can you have an offensive guy in the room? One. More heard heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you lie. It's funny. If you look at every division football thing about this. Let's go to vision by division. I don't mean to just beat up on the Packers. But it'd be nice if Aaron Rodgers had some help let's go to the start in the AFC in the AFC east who leads the division the patriots who has the best quarterback in that division. Tom Brady the patriots. Let's go to the AFC north this morning. Pittsburgh leads the division. Who has the best quarterback in that division the Pittsburgh Steelers? Okay. Who leads the AFC south right now. Houston texans. Arguably Shawn Watson the best quarterback who leads the AFC west right now. The chiefs in the chargers, Patrick Mahomes. Philip rivers, arguably the best division will let let so the best quarterback or the two. The best quarterbacks leader division all through the AFC. So let's go now to the NFC. So who leads the NFC east Alex Smith and Carson Wentz? I would argue those are the two best quarterbacks in that division who leads the NFC south west Jared Goffin Russell Wilson unquestionably right now the two divisions to best quarterbacks division who leads the NFC south O drew Brees in Cam Newton. So are you seeing a trend in seven of the eight divisions? I've named the best quarterback lead his division. Or the top two quarterbacks lead the division. Okay. Let's go to the NFC north. Aaron Rodgers is third. So what does that tell you that in twenty eighteen it's hard to screwed up? All the rules are for the quarterback that if you have the best quarterback in a division in seven of the eight divisions. The best quarterback leads the division. The only exception is Andrew luck. Who by the way, doesn't leaders division? But as I said earlier, and if you look at the numbers, he didn't have time to work with and they're coming on strong on the schedule weekends the only team in the league that you sort of look at that's got the guy it's been established. You know? Is Aaron Rodgers. And he's third why he didn't have much to work with. I'm not saying green has no talent. Blake Martinez is a very good linebacker not a pro bowler. He's a very good line back. Good player. I would say Davante Adams is a very nice receiver is the appro boulder. Habitually in the NFC with all good receivers probably wouldn't be. But he's a good receiver. And then you have Jair Alexander. He's a rookie corner. He's terrific player. But he's a rookie corner. And he was hurt. Those are really good players. I would love to have those football players. But when you compare them to the best of the best. You know, they're not old L Beckham. They're not Julio Jones. You know, they're they're not taught girly. They're not even Aaron's really really good team mates are not superstars. They're good football players. So you start looking at the divisions. There's only one division football only one wherein elite quarterback doesn't lead the division and its Aaron Rodgers division, which tells you aggressive Chicago leads it aggressive, Minnesota lead it and passive Green Bay who doesn't want to go after Khalil Mack and have let Jordy Nelson. Go there in debt every division. The best quarterback the best to quarterbacks are arguing the best quarterback leads the division the best in the NFC north is in third place. And by the way, if you look at the Packer schedule coming up in the next month, they could be in fourth. And I'm not stretching it there at New England next. They could be in fourth place in two weeks. We're gonna lion schedule. Look the bears by the Packers schedule. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays. At noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. K Mary Kay, Cabot very legitimate. NFL? Reporter is saying that defensive coordinator. Greg Williams will be the Cleveland Browns interim head coach I don't know if that's the best for Baker Mayfield. He just lost to veteran. Offensive minds. Todd Haley has been wacked Hugh Jackson's been whacked. I don't love that for Baker going forward. They'll probably I guess get very very conservative. Good luck. Their schedule gets really really tough Browner to five and one. That's a pretty good record. When you look at their schedule. Now, Lincoln Riley is the Oklahoma coach. He's terrific. He's the next Sean McVay a lot of people think he was asked about the NFL opening. And I said before he coached Baker Mayfield that to I'd go get I think that's the new NFL. I get Lincoln Riley. He was asked about it within the hour. I always want to be truthful. The truth is for me is I love Oklahoma love coaching here. I love college football. I certainly don't have that. It's right now don't know that I ever will. But I'll never going to be a guy that's going to stand up and say, no way. No, how will any of these things ever happened? I don't know that. But on all right now, our care less about the NFL that has good an answer as you can have that today seriously asked or anything else, he's not gonna get up there and say, yeah, I can't wait to get to the. He said, listen, I'm not gonna say never now. Because I who in the world could say that. But I love where I'm at. I don't have an interest in that league. And but I'll never say never because who in the world could say that you just don't know about life. That's a perfect answer Greg Jennings. Joining us now ten and F L season's Super Bowl ring pro bowler. So do you never return kicks, right? I actually did win part returns in the NFL. Yeah. My first year, and then you stop doing. And there was a against the jets. There was all out blitz or pump block. I caught the ball. And I still tried to make a play guy hit by like all eleven defensive guy or guys running down. Mike is like I don't ever want him back. So I'm gonna put a little bit this on the Packers. So time on Gumri was a college receiver. Green Bay says put your running back, but you still gotta go the receiver meetings. And then you gotta go the special teams meetings be nice in New England. I have guys who were like receivers than have backs than they have special teams guys is this just time on Gumri butcher. And that is he selfish was he going rogue? Or is it possible? He's in too many meetings during the week. No, I'm not going to give any excuses to a guy like time Montgomery. He's a very smart player. Which is why they have him in the luxury to move him around and all these different positions because he can handle it, not only physically but mentally. I think he Sears the blame along with the coaching staff because in this situation, you have to be definitive and clear with what we're doing. You do not give the option of what you typically would say to a returner if. It's three yards or more in the end zone. Don't bring it out. Obviously. When I listened to Mike McCarthy in his post conference interview, he said the game plan was to not return it or whatever he said. And then he said to get the ball to Aaron Rodgers. But the way he said it was almost like it wasn't a definitive game plan. It wasn't that. He said it to everyone in that situation as the head coach you have to be crystal clear, and this is what separates good football teams from great football teams every every team going into Foxborough or them coming to you coaching staff. Amp players know that we're not just playing the game on the football field. We're playing the mental game. These players are going to be ready for any and every situation. Well coached in any and every situation because they're coaching staff is going to be prepared. In ready for every situation. You look at the Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday unless situation what you have you even have Antonio Brown back. There doesn't understand the situation. Do this is why you can't get over that New England patriot hump. Visit because they don't make that mistake. They don't everyone on their roster understands every situation. Now a lot of people. So I like often Tissot from people if you're mad at me. Tell me your man, I have no problem with a lot of times you bark at me. And we still do we do we fist-bump? Yep. Because you're being real you keep it it one hundred one day so yesterday Aaron you can tell Aaron turn of team maintenance sidelines. Through. But you know, what? It'd be easy to bang on Aaron this morning, but I'd be pissed too. I'm not gonna blame her Aaron has a right. Aaron smart and plays his butt off you stole not a game, you stolen opportunity from Aaron. I would be furious. If I was Aaron Rodgers, look, I would pose it this way watching the game as a fan. I felt like I was robbed of an opportunity to see what could have been whether they score or whether they don't I still wanted the opportunity to be at the edge of my seat and to be in a place where something great can happen. But at least they will have the opportunity yesterday with what took place he stole. It you stole it from by the way, Greg I felt for three and a half hours for a majority of it. I thought the Packers out scheme the ram and outplayed the Rams might pet and did a mazy rate job mazing job defensively when it came to their approach. Mind you they're coming off a bye. So he had shared with me of time to prep, but they prepped in. They they basically won that game did improve themselves in position to where they could have won that game. And again going to Mark I am on the sideline. If I'm in that Green Bay uniform areas, I'm heated, I'm boiling at time on Gumri. But also at the situation why because I just wanna chance he a-rod does looks at davonte atom. Like what what what are we doing? Because if you just give me a chance if you just give us a chance, we're moving the ball. We're making big plays. But now, we don't we have it taken away from us. You you can't do that. Listen all these rookie quarterback's yesterday. Darnold, all his receivers are hurt. Baker could didn't have time to look been Steelers pass. Rush was unbelievable Rosen was bad last week. But had a beautiful game winning drive this week. A Josh Allen. It's going to get crushed tonight against doing all these rookie quarter. Backs go into bad situations. That's why they go in the top ten of the draft. Right. I don't like the Browns did today. I don't like I don't. I don't care if you don't like Hugh Jackson, they fired their offensive coach. And they're coordinator. I don't like that. I don't either. I don't I don't like it. Because when I'm going into work today. I have to explain to roster of fifty three guys why we made the decision to fire not only our head coach but offense coordinator in it in a team with in a locker room where do we ever see this Cleveland Browns team quitting? Did we ever say? They weren't they'd been into three four overtime games this year. Like, they are fighting. They are they just haven't learned how to win. Hey yesterday. This Steelers game Steelers would much better personnel was a real football game until about eight minutes left. Abc News real game in you. You have your you have a young quarterback that has gained some some experience. But more than everything. He's he's earned the opportunity. To draw from these guys that are in his room every single day. Hugh Jackson Todd Haley in now he has to start over. Now, you you give someone with a different vision. That's on the other side of the ball that may wanna do things a little differently. Why you have the guy's playing for you. You have a by coming up. You have Kansas. Like there are so many reasons why you don't do this. Greg Williams is an old school defensive guys like John FOX, what was Trubisky, but when you had John FOX what's Trubisky now find this kitty young quarterback. Okay. So you live in a beautiful Minnesota's beautiful people beautiful state. Yeah. You live in mostly. It's almost the stoppages get to get to the form. Here we go. So I said earlier I said Kirk cousins is like he's like he's that middle slice of bread in a club sandwich. It's unnecessary. Just have a B L T. I want more bacon and tomato less bread. He's empty calories. I got a bunch of completions. And a bunch of yards, blah, blah, blah. He doesn't make the play in the moment. And I like him he's fine. But they paid him thirty large for the play in the moment would play. Did. He not make yesterday yesterday. Maybe he made a lot of. But it seems to me is four and twenty one against teams that are five hundred or better when they didn't get let me let me number one. Yes. The bread in clubs. It is. It is pointless. Kirk cousin is not pointless. The reason why you acquire a guy like Kirk cousins is because of what he's provided you on offense side of the ball. We've seen the way their defense is the defense played early in the season. Where they weren't up to par of what we saw last year, and he was able to still win games. Because of it this game that they lost. Yesterday was not on Kirk cousins, you can't replace an executive roads. A a who else was avenue bar? Syndey ho you has so many guys out on the defensive side, and they still played well offensively your two best players outside of your quarterback made the biggest mistake. So the game the fumble by Adam feeling he doesn't fumble. He fumbled. They get the ball. They put seven points on the board, then your other receiver, Stefan digs look. I just want to say this he stopped running USA if on that route. It's the drive route shallow cross. However, you want to call it whatever you want to call it. If you're looking you're booking if I'm looking at my quarterback. I am telling my quarterback. I am running. Or did me the ball? That tells that almost tells the quarterback I'm ready, but the moment use your reading zone manner zone. If I'm not looking at my quarterback. He knows you're going to sit down did the defender running. No, no. That's that's exactly what Stefan digs was book. And looking thing. Book if I'm looking I'm booking that means if a my eyes on you, I'm not gonna sit down you see me looking. I'm ready now, I'm running you hit me in stride. That's on the dry. That's the drive concept. If you see as a guy over there. That's why your eyes are supposed to be on the defense. You you reading that. If I see a guy over here that takes away my of my ability to keep running I sit down. I'm not looking at my quarterback because I'm telling you, I'm not ready to get the ball yet. But if I'm looking at my quarterback that means I'm ready. There's nobody over here. I'm ready. Let me keep going a little not only Kirk cousins. Now yesterday, your point you're done. Love sandwich point was excellent club sandwich point was perfect. Just go be LT this but not not not her cousins because they got him to win in the play offs. And they got him to to equate to winning the playoff not to go fourteen and two or fifteen in one or sixteen to no one. No, we know they're going to make the playoffs. How far they go. That's why. Why they got this morning was funny. You just said, I know Minnesota's gonna Bank plan. If I said you just morning to the Packers you seen their schedule. I have seen their not are you think they made the playoffs. You seen the bear schedule. I have seen the bears. Lions twice giants forty Niners. You see to bear schedule. I like I like the bare scheduled today the Green Bay Chicago who makes playoffs today. I don't know. But I I will tell you this. I trust Green Bay more than I trust. Okay. That's fair. That's a good answer. And then go dancing. You have in the past. You you've been talking about Aaron Rodgers doesn't have pieces and all this. But I want to remind you of something remember this analogy you made about the iphone. Yeah. What about it when I have this? I don't need anything else. Right. Aaron Rodgers has enough weapons. So if he's he remember, he's the iphone you said it if I had my on my watch. I don't need my wallet. I can go pay. I went to most today, and I pay with my my wallet. So Ahrends the iphone? The iphone don't need anything else. Really? But you, but you because you have enough with that. I think the problem is the knee and aids like it's starting to creep in there. I think it's creeping more than what people more than what people are are making mention of now, they said, I think it was it was who said this last night. I thought we had the game on FOX. That's what Aikman and Brennaman said is that if if Aaron told the staff if I'm wearing the brace he told our FOX two from wearing the brace is because any right. So to your point he's wearing the brace. 'cause is now right. And he's turned thirty five in December. Absolutely good stuff today. I like when you bring back, my old, bad and to burn me absolute. I mean, come on stop stop. Don't forget it in remember when you want to book it look it or something to if you're lurking you're booking.

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And of course, I'll talk about LeBron James committing what I would deem to be a blissful MS act on Twitter as taste of Michael Jordan over this weekend last night to be exact I ought to business in all seriousness. However. There's a firing it took place in the National Football League this year today this morning to be exact Hugh Jackson for the Cleveland Browns has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He is no longer to coach he was fired a couple of hours ago by the Browns organization. Obviously they've struggled this year to say the least they lost yet again to the Pittsburgh Steelers lost Todd early in the season opener. They lost to the Steelers yesterday their record. Now stands at two five and one at the halfway point of the season. Two of their last three games have been double digit losses to likely AFC playoff teams. I might add. And so we look at it from that perspective. And obviously when you look at Hugh Jackson's wreckage was one thirty one coming into this season in the first two years at the helm for the Cleveland Browns to five and one now that would make his record three thirty six and one as a head coach. Much as I got love for him. And what have you let's be real about him not about city and tell you make a case you Jackson should remain the head coach for the Cleveland Browns. I don't think anybody would sense could do that. I would like to point out some things though, some things that are incredibly important that I think you take into consideration. We thinking about these kinds of things number one you take into account the moral one franchise that was the Cleveland Browns. And how it was so bad that Sashi Brown and John Podesta baseball guy, a football and the lyrics guy or whatever, but nobody had ever run a franchise. That's why John Dorsey came in as general manager. I think he's been doing a great job since he has arrived. Obviously he believes in structure and chemistry and cohesiveness. He looked at the picks the Jarrett drab draft him Baker Mayfield taking Denzel ward with fourth overall pick having a defense that's been very very impressive for the most part this year on the standing that the most comport. Important and compelling point for this franchises to ensure the development and growth of a Baker Mayfield. Clearly, Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson were not on the same page. Clearly that was the case. And when you look at Todd Haley's reputation as an offensive coordinator, let's be real, ladies and gentlemen, his reputation as an offensive coordinator is more reputable, Hugh Jackson's reputation is as a head coach even though Hugh Jackson did a pretty damn good jobs offense coordinator in Cleveland and didn't do a bad job when he was the head coaching Oakland years ago before Reggie McKinsey came into let him go in the end what we have to look at this. We have to look at a couple of things. My belief that the right decision was made and Hugh Jackson should have been relieved of his duties is basically because of what I've seen from Hugh Jackson impose game conferences over the last few weeks. Throwing Gaza under the bus calling guys out in public. As hard to do maim. When when when when you record is three thirty six at one or all in route to that wreck and your fresh off a one and thirty one record over the previous two years. It's pretty hard to be pointing figured anybody else. So that's just not a good look on the part of Hugh Jackson. The other thing that I would like to say this, and I'm very very sensitive to what I'm about to say. Hugh Jackson, those of you who may not know. Hugh Jackson, lost his mom. Hugh Jackson lost his brother all in the two weeks. Pain. And when stuff like that happens to you your temperament is not going to be the same. It just isn't the level of professionalism and decorum, the political correctness. The things that you are droid at avoiding and tempering the some degree and keeping cool about it's far more difficult to do that. When you're going through tragedies, we're going through a devastating loss. Let me just say I know from experience, and I'll leave it at that. It's an incredibly incredibly tough thing to deal with all your bearings are not there. You're not the same. And look if Hugh Jackson and know what he was experiencing or what have you? There does come a point in time where you know, what certain things a bit too much for you. And when you combine that with the fact that he's got an offense of in a defensive coordinator working under him, but I don't believe with selected by him to individuals and Greg Williams and Todd Haley the defensive and the offense coordinator, respectively who have great reputations. Even though Greg Williams associated with bountygate. The bottom line is nobody would question his accurate as a defensive coordinator. Nobody would question. Todd Hilly's accurate as an offense coordinator, and what they were able to accomplish in their respective roles throughout their NFL careers. Nobody's gonna question tell you that right now and one of the jokes that circulates throughout NFL circles. Is that if you walked up to any of them, they will come across like they invented the game of football because they believe they are that knowledgeable about the game of football, particularly as pertained to their role. So how receptive were they going to be listening to Hugh Jackson? It was it was an explosion in the making or an implosion into making. It was very very predictable. So when you hear you Jackson coming out and questioning the judgment of Todd Haley, anybody else it shouldn't be surprising. And as a result, not the should his dismissal. The fact is is that the Cleveland Browns should be better than what they are. The fact is that if you're Dorsey, you don't need those kind of distractions. And that's exactly what you got. In this particular situation as though says Jackson was at the hell, and there's no other way to put this it didn't appear as if he garnered the respect of his board in its if that's the situation, and that's what you're dealing with. If your general manager overseeing all of that, you gotta make the call. And you gotta make the requisite necessary changes. There is no way around it. No way around it. That's what happened. That's why Jackson is going. And that's why the Cleveland Browns going to have a new coach. When next game takes place. It is just that simple. It eight say ESPN that's eight seven to nine three seven seven six listening right here to the Stephen Smith show, ESPN radio and ESPN news. So that's one of the material. I wanted to get into the other one. Was involving the Green Bay Packers in their loss to the Los Angeles. Rams. Yes. They have new I know Taw girlies stud that don't take away from how lucky the Rams war yesterday. Because we all know that with the Packers trillion twenty nine at twenty seven with two five remaining Sunday's game set to receive the ball on a kick off. We all know good damn. Well, what was going to happen? You can slice it. Anyway, you want to don't act like Hugh didn't know what was about to go down. Every Rogers was about to get the ball with two minutes left and needing nothing. More than a field goal to win the game. I mean, please. I mean, please this is Aaron Rodgers we talking about here, we all know that. Man that he is what he was about to do. Somehow, someway, it got messed up was it messed up because of Mike McCarthy. No was it messed up because a pack as brash. Nope. Was messed up because of the Packer secondary notoriously bad, but who showed up and played well yesterday. No, it was not. What happened in the ram twenty nine twenty seven win yesterday at LA Coliseum versus the Green Bay Packers venue in which the last time Aaron Rodgers played in a football game there. He was a college football player playing for Cal. And that completed this first twenty three passes. And that every rajas who has grown up into a grown, man. And without question. The greatest quarterback. My eyes have ever seen. Was waiting for the football. The come his way with two minutes and five seconds left. Time on Gumri. Running back. For the Green Bay Packers was fully expected to kneel down for the touchback when he received a ball in the end zone. Why? Because coach Mike McCarthy and the staff had directly instructed him to do so. Is they time. Gunnery catches the ball two yards. The. And instead of taking a knee. This dude. Decides to race up the middle of the field. He decided to run the football. He decides to ignore his coaches orders and what the T fully expected. They weren't even look in the block form remember. Because everybody knows that he was instructed to take a knee. This dude disaster run it out why because he salty because he was mad that he was being taken out of the game. He was mad that he wasn't getting the football took him down slammed it down and was acting petulant on the sideline according to anonymous teammates. So he comes out. He runs the football crosses the twenty yard line. And then it gets hit by the Rams were Mick Wilson. Remedy wilson. Football gets this lodged. Goes onto a Paul falls right into the arms of the Rams. And that was that. And that was that seventy five thousand eight hundred twenty two fans showed up at the Coliseum lays, gentlemen. Most of them were Pakistan's you thought it was a home game at Lambeau Field for crying out loud. But I'll tell you the right now, I saw a whole bunch of people walking up to Tom I governor. Because obviously the fumble gave the Rams football all need. It was a couple of I as they got it ran out the clock games over including. Todd Gurley who bought away had a run into the ins on but stopped short of it to take to go down. So the clock would run out showing an incredible level of unselfishness immediately after time on Gumri exhibited in a long level of selfishness what he was on a bench on the sidelines looking completely despondent. And what have you? And you know, you had teammates coming over to Pat him on the shoulder. Pat him on a hill. Mid and all those Aaron Rodgers didn't do that. And looked at him. Like, you gotta be kidding me. Walk over there wave. This handing them said something him. Looking completely discussing and had every damn right to let me be very very clear about what I'm about to say time Gumri should be cut immediately. I'm saying again, Tom Gumri should be cut immediately immediately without question. The that the first thing Mike McCarthy. Mr Murphy and everybody in between for the Packers organization. They should have his bags packed. He should be sent on his way. And I'm gonna tell you why. That was flagrant insubordination. That was flagrant insubordination somebody asking you to do something that compromise your manhood, that's entirely different. Somebody asking you to do your job this perfectly imbalanced. It's an his job description to do well because the asked him to do it ain't just to run the football is to be instructed on win the run as well. He wasn't asked to do something in violation of professionalism as manhood or anything in between he was mandated to do his job and ignored orders. And by the way, can I get a bit more. Can I can I can crystallize it for y'all. How agreed just this was it's a two point game. It's two minutes, five seconds left. When a kick off takes place by the time. He runs the football and fumbles one fifty six remaining. Aaron Rodgers getting the ball the Green Bay Packers. Like stews me. Aaron Rodgers the batsmen on the planet. We're waiting for him to get the ball because we know what about away Geronimo Alison, I mean, you've got devante Adams that was balling. Okay. Got Valentine Adams was balling yesterday. A law with several of you look at what they were doing that LA secondary, particularly Marcus Peters. What was the problem? You got all you gotta do is cake to knee and give the baller Aaron Rodgers. Aaron rodgers. And you refuse you ignore the coaches instructions and go out there and do what you wanna do. This is not a mistake. Ladies and gentlemen, this is flagrant insubordination flagrant insubordination and a total disregard for the great at what all the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. I mean, you talk about something and it stews -able. I don't know how much inexcusable that gets to that. First of all, you don't disobey the coach's orders to begin with. But Secondly, more importantly, it ain't like he asked you to disobey. So you can give the ball of Blake Bortles allow manning. This manning. He's asking you to take a knee to give the ball to Erin Rudge's. Rudge's? Is an excusable though is excusable nobody in their right could justify what time on gunnery day yesterday. And I'm reading off of an article from NFL dot com. Listen to this Amit as an era Raja's was hot one Packers coach said and he had a right to be he yelled, take an in knee. He was very very mad, and quote, I'm Reid. I'm continue to read this and is many Rogers of Rogers teammates. His are was justifiable. According to more than a half dozen Packers players and coaches who witnessed it Montgomery had thrown a tantrum of his own on green based previous offensive series becoming noticeably enraged on the sideline after being removed from the game. At least one player believed. There was carry over from that incident to Montgomery's decision to disregard his coaches instruction. And returned the kickoff, quote, they took him out the previous dry for a play. And he slammed his him. And threw a fit one Packers players said then before the kickoff, they told him to take a knee, and he ran it out. Anyway, you know, what that is? That was him saying I'm gonna do me. It's an F in joke. I mean, what are you doing? We've got every Rogers the best I've ever seen and you're going to take that risk. I mean, it's number twelve all you gotta do is give him the bowl. And you know, what's gonna happen? This is from teammates of time on Gumri on the Green Bay Packers. How can you bring that man in the locker room after that? How can you do that? There are sixteen games in NFL season. Every game is incredibly valuable and you're going against the undefeated team widely recognized right now as the best in football on their home turf. You not only take their crowd away your imposition to take their game away, and you exercise that level of insubordination. I mean, you gotta be kidding me. Is an absolute travesty on his part. And it's inexcusable you should cut him immediately. Or at least spend them. At least the him. Maybe you don't wanna cut up because you don't have anything to replace him. And you don't wanna go someplace does where he can hurt. You. I got that part. But dammit, sit him down suspend them. Let them sit on the sidelines and uniform don't allow him to play for a few weeks. Do something to him. You can't let him get away with that. He basically said screw the whole team. All y'all. Kick rocks. I'm upset I don't give a damn what y'all want. That's not a winner. That's not even somebody trying to win. Hello legitimate argument. Could be at not that. I believe this for one second because I saw his contrition on bench. What have you, and I don't believe for one second. But I'm just saying when you act that kind of way I'm wondering why people in the qs for fumbling on purpose? It eight say ESPN, it's inundate seven nine three seven seven six got some other breaking news for y'all that just came down to pike apparently. Hugh Jackson was not the only person that was fight this morning by the Cleveland Browns. Apparently. Offensive coordinator. Todd Haley who I just finished talking about. He's about to be fired too. I'm sorry. He is fired. They got the ninth ranked Russian attack but the twenty four th ranked offense because they're twenty four points of point scored their twenty four yards are registered their twenty four in terms of their passing attack. Although they've got the ninth Russian attack. He's fired two. I'm wondering whether or not Greg Williams defensive coordinator gonna be next their twenty four th defensively. Twenty eight yards allowed twenty six to the past twenty eight th against the run if Todd Haley is going to Hugh Jackson's gone, I'm wondering whether or not Greg Williams is going to be going. I'm just wondering right now. It is what it is Cleveland Browns head coach Hugh Jackson office coordinator, Todd Haley who couldn't get on the same page when it came to Baker Mayfield have both been fired. You know, what that says to me John note that says to be everybody does about Baker Mayfield. They could make the number one overall pick your quarterback, evidently, they're not pleased with the development and they're blaming both of them, especially if Greg Williams remains if Greg warriors remains than that means this is about Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson. Both failing endorses is to develop Baker Mayfield accordingly. He was pretty beat up yesterday by the Steelers, by the way, it at eight say ESPN that is the number to call up right here. Live with Stephen on ESPN radio ESPN news if you're a smoker. Switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. Andy six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction you expected but jewel is different. 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Todd Haley fired head basketball coach Tyron Lou fired over the weekend following oh six start. All that says to me is that you know, what? You never want him to have the job in the first place. You just gave it to him because LeBron minded at all now. And I hope no one uses this as an excuse to all of a sudden sit up there and say, you know, what? Tyron Lou can't coach. Now, the having LeBron James helps he's the greatest player in the world when he's on your team your contender when he's off of it. You're a lottery pick. I get it on the stand it. But we've seen all this folks mess it up before. Whereas in the case of Tyron, Lou he did when a championship. This keep that in mind, this keep in mind, how he made changes. And it wasn't the same team that David bland tried to coach. He modified things a little bit which enabled the Cleveland Cavaliers to have the success that they have let's keep that in mind as well Saffa Tyron Lou. But that's not a good situation to be in any way with Alabama jobs to be quite honest with you, it really really is not Tyron Lou keeps job stays in Cleveland and got much to work with Buddha knows he's in Atlanta. Things work now because he's not on the same page ownership. He lands job coaching the Greek freak in Milwaukee. It can be special times. No question about it. It didn't say ESPN, and then they seven to three seven cents, remember any minute. Now, we're expecting very own Adam Schefter NFL inside extraordinaire to come on the show, which you're shooting right here with Steven on ESPN radio and ESPN news until then though those get to the phones let's go to Nick you lava Stephen they talk to me our human. A big fan of the show. Thank you buddy wanted to talk to you about Hugh Jackson firing, sir. Just heard the news about Qatar Haley specifically Hugh Jackson. I am the cardinals or team in a similar position. And my looking to think that maybe Hugh Jackson, given his. He was able to do with any back the bagels and my looking towards him. Maybe as an answer. No. You know, why? Because because when you know what it takes, Tom. Listen, do I think Hugh Jackson those football. Yes. Do I think he's had a good record as an offense coordinator in the past? Yes. But what you have to be careful, particularly when you're talking about the head coach is that you cannot find yourself in the situation where you go out the and you bring a guy at the helm where it's still fresh in our mind what the overall record is. We say what we want. I can I can throw all these platitudes all Lord Ables out there at the end of the day, Hugh Jackson's record is three thirty six in one. You can't go to him and give him a head coaching job. You just can't do it. Just can't do it for I made as often innocent. I gotta go. I gotta go gotta come back to you. Nick. You can hold on. If you want to get back to you. Because I only got I got Adam Schefter on right now, the great Adam Schefter, and I only got a few minutes with Adam. Thank you for taking time out of your busy, schedule, buddy. All right. What what led to Cleveland making this decision about Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley, right? Right now. Well. Something that was long brewing. I think that a move that John Dorsey GM wants to make when it got higher, but was convinced to to stay the course and give you a chance and they did. And I think the team. And I felt like it was regressing that made progress tied. They tried Cleveland. Pittsburgh listening game. And then and then yesterday got lost bad. And so it was almost like. They had kind of home back, and I think that that's a part of it. And I think maybe feel comfortable leaving Baker Mayfield and his hands anymore. And so they they fired Jackson fire. Todd Haley, they've fired off the staff, and it's been a crazy day there in Cleveland, and we're still trying to figure out all the changes. That are going on right now what you're doing Adam Schefter. Exactly, what are the kind of things. What nugget what nuggets of material? Can you give us to really crystallize for us to relationship that existed between Hugh Jackson, the head coach and the physical ordinary Tardelli this season? Well, Stephen, I would say this the best the best anecdotal evidence. I give you say tune into hard NAS last summer. I don't mean to give them credit, but you get to watch it. Why? Right. And and so. And anybody that you would have an idea of what their relationship is like right now or was over the summer. And so I think that's the best evidence. You could say I guess what I'm saying is for those who did it see it. What would it kind of things that you that you'd like us to pay attention to it? We would have go back TV or whatever the case may be 'cause I might have missed some of it what exactly happened with those two. What was it like to very strong personalities with very strong ideas about how they want things done, and they didn't want things don't always the same way. Haley wanted things done his way. Hugh Jackson one thing. He's on his way you saw last week Hugh came out and shit. I think I might make some changes in the staff which he decided not to do eat back away from. But once he said that it opened the door on all the kitchen that existed from over the summer anything that you would have construed as being natives that relationship and so. When he said that last week hearken back the last summer, and that was the situation where basically you could tell that things were not right between the two of them. What a Browns of the mindset that they had already been damage done to Baker Mayfield dust far because of of that of that of that fractious relationship. That they felt like it was that they had damage them so far, Stephen. But I felt like they felt like it was on its way to happening. And so today. I'd like to say it was a preemptive strike, but but it was preemptive. They would have done it a while back, and they didn't do that. Okay. They waited till today. I twenty nine and the other thing about the record right to record is such where it's one of the worst records in football history. And you know, John Dorsey, I don't think was keeping to begin with. And I think probably got his way. But basically Hugh Jackson Owen twenty on the roller Brown take coach not one on the road three thirty six overall. So I think the point will be when you go three thirty six and it only twenty on the road. It's a price that you. Yeah. Put in perspective for me, real quick, Adam Schefter, what kind of damage that Reckitt does to an NFL coach particularly of guy like Hugh Jackson. I mean is it going to be? I'm not even thinking about him getting a head coaching job. I'm thinking about him getting a job landing on his feet. He'll get he'll get a job. You know, he'll get a job at U wants to forget the grounds money this year and next year. And so the Browns are paying off and other contracts as they typically do nobody pays off more head coach and shaller's in the Cleveland Browns. And so they're paying him off right now, and they'll pay next year as well. Hooking another job. And then he's got a lot of friends. And so he's not head coach again, I don't believe. But you know, I don't know maybe running backs coach assisting some Kilby something what about Todd Haley. I mean, he just left Pittsburgh. And then now he's in Cleveland and doesn't even last season. What about him? Stephen. Here's the thing. Todd Haley again, very strong personality. But but he also has skills and play caller. And there aren't enough of those. Coordinator, but they'll be spot for them somewhere at some point time. I promise you that before I let you go at them tomorrow, the NFL trading deadline, anything percolating out there anything that you expect that we should keep is out for any kind of movement with any particular player. You know, I think the giants or the team to watch we've already seen their willingness to unload anybody and everybody, and so I think that'll be the case again that they'll be making more moose. I don't know what they'll be whether it's in our Jenkins V8. Vernon or. Another player, but I won't be surprised to make some moves. And I think I think marriage Thomas Denver's wide receiver to watch here. Or water to watch those? Some of the names that yet Landon Collins another name of the wanna watch. So we'll see how it all. I think the giants or the team to watch wide or wide receivers deposition to watch with Thomas Garcia very last question to you out of Schefter on a different note. You saw what happened with the Packers against the Rams yesterday? And Tom Montgomery ignoring might McCarthy's orders and electing not to take a knee and running out and fumbling. Have you seen that kind of insubordination happened on the football field in a game? Like the have you seen that before you've been covering the NFL for a long time? I just want to know. I would say this doesn't Mike McCarthy sale. The time trust your players let the let your players do what they want. Right. And so he's in a situation where he sauce on the insubordinate. I guess you could define it that way. But I also would say on the flip and you should be doing with the quarterback. Then you got other hand, you know, one of their models. Green Bay is trust you the players to make place. She got the bonus hands. He thought something. Play. So there's a couple of different ways to look at that, Adam Schefter. Appreciate you, buddy. Thank you, so much take it, easy, buddy. Thanks so much. All right. The one only Adam Schefter got a podcast, by the way with new episodes weekly listen on the ESPN app or apple podcasts. Thanks again of the great, Adam Schefter, and fell inside extraordinaire right here with Steven on ESPN radio and ESPN news eight say ESPN, it's it it ain't seven to seven to nine three seven seven six. We'll get back to your calls and more on a plethora of subjects he touched on sort of wide receivers. He mentioned that the Maria's Thomas peer goes on safety. Landon Collins for the New York Giants he could be on the market as well. Lots of stuff to get into. So stick around on that Dow games to get into as well. Eight of the National Football League season. Eight say ESPN inundate seven to nine three seven six by the way, surprise a friend or loved one today with a bouquet from one eight hundred flowers dot com. When you order dozen multicolored roses only twenty nine hundred nine you'll get another dozen plus a vase absolutely free. 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Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Westbrook, Raiders, Giants, & LeBron James

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Westbrook, Raiders, Giants, & LeBron James

"Thanks for listening to the heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at FOX board trail dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to Fox Sports radio. Here we go in a pack Monday. This is the heard wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening. We're live in Los Angeles on iheartradio, Fox Sports radio and app. S one one hour from now. One of our better, Colin was right? Colin was wrong segments of the year. Were packed today. Doug Gottlieb, a little March madness stuff among other things. Coming up later in the hour. Joy Taylor back from arrested in Florida. It was a wedding a wedding. Congratulations. Brandon Neuman FOX family got married this weekend soda that is awesome wanna beautiful place. Sarasota's these to get to know guessing earlier. But it's in the west coast, Florida is the easiest way to get you another world sarasota's. Absolutely stunning. It's great to have. Yeah. And you know, joy is from Pittsburgh. And it seems like the Steelers are in the news more than any NFL team. And again this morning there in the news. This is a big claim one of the reasons I like football every gay matters. College football pro football, every gay matters. There's a regulated violence to it. So you play hard you left tackle can't play up. Take a playoff for the quarterback gets hurt. It could damage the franchise. That's what I love about it. Everybody's all in every play and in baseball. There's so many games. He could take at bat off in basketball. You see guys give up baskets. In tennis. You go down three eleven to set you tank it for the next set golf you see guys throw their clubs or done for the weekend. But in football, you gotta play hard. It's a brotherhood because you get hurt hockey's a little bit like that. You'll get hurt. So this is quite a claim Josh Harris, former Big Ben teammate and Pittsburgh says he intentionally fumbled four years ago. The video is arguable. Nobody can really prove it. But he said twenty fourteen weeks seventeen we're playing the Bengals up by ten a minute left. Todd Haley who Ben hated called or run play with very little time left in the game. Big Ben wanted to kneel and when the play came into the huddle Big Ben rolled his eyes. So if you see the play he then fumbled on the next play and Josh Harris's saying, you know, big band to spite Todd Haley fumbled the ball. Now Steelers up by ten minute left. We're gonna win the football game. But. That would stick. That would be a stench that sabotage win or lose that game. That is just not appropriate in football again in baseball fourth game of a series up by nine in your division. It's August you partied too hard. You give up an at bat. I see it in basketball, tennis golf. You. Don't do that in football true or not you don't do it. Here's the thing. Lady and bell. Tis fault. Antonio Brown his fault. Big bend his fault. Mike Tomlin his fault. Here's the thing. I don't need Antonio Brown. Abi leader. I don't need levian bell to be a leader. I just needed. It'd be talented. But I need my quarterback to be a leader. That's not leadership. There's two great quarterbacks in the NFL. And they're both amazing and have compared him for years. Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben. They're the only great first ballot hall of fame quarterback is currently playing that are called out regularly by teammates current former teammates. Here we go again with Ben and this morning, there's going to be people that defend Ben Rothlisberger. And they blame it on our people. I don't need wide receivers and running backs to be leaders. That's why I do care about the Wunderlich tests for quarterbacks and I do care about their family upbringing, and I do care if they have leadership qualities, and I took the claims against certain quarterbacks out of college screw off. Johnny manziel. Not a grownup. Baker Mayfield wore me out. That's why because this is not a position to just be talented leadership is crucial. Brady's pry the best leader of all time. Not the best arm. Not the best talent Joe Montana. Russell Wilson guys. I like drew Brees. You can like big band, and you can stand behind Big, Ben. But for once again, Big, Ben and Rogers teammates are just willing to go public. I mean, listen I've worked with people that I don't love. But you'd have to be a real schmuck for me to go out and publicly hammer, you I mean, we've all worked with people. We don't like. But when you put it on paper when you stand in front of a Mike I mean for Josh Harris, kind of a nobody in the league to do that. There's just too much smoke here with Big Ben. And by the way, I get this. His teammate Josh comes out. And he's a great player. But it didn't connect with teammates for the record. That's the knock on Rogers. And I've seen my entire life. Great athletes who don't think a great leaders a-rod berry bonds Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony. Big Ben, I think they're unbelievable towns. I don't think they're great leaders. I think jeeter's a great leader. Russell Wilson's a great leader. Peyton Manning's a great leader. Tom Brady's a great leader. There is a gap here. There is a difference. Don't confuse the two great talent. And great talent. And a leader jeaner was both. K Steph curry is both Brady is both. But you can keep defending Ben Rothlisberger. But there's just way too much smoke here. And quarterback is not just about talent. You lead the class. You talk in the huddle, you lead the film session. Shame on Ben. If it's true, that's a really really awful claim. And if you look at the video. I'm not going to say, it's true. It's not untrue. That's all I'm saying when I see that video. I want to shift to this tension is contagious. Years and years ago, I was on a plane. Guy was drunk flirting with a stewardess were at thirty three thousand feet. It was uncomfortable. There was tension on the plane, and it was contagious. We were all uncomfortable. It's a skinny little tube. Thirty three thousand feet he was combustible. Tensions spreads through a family and it spreads through a room. The intense dad on vacation the unruly passenger on a flight. Russell Westbrook to me is never been a championship player because he's too rigid. And it makes everybody else tents and rigid this Saturday, Oklahoma City was hosting Golden State and Kevin Durant. Didn't play. It was a big game. It's one of those rare half dozen MBA regular season game Saturday night. Feels like a little Plath thing going here. This matters a little bit and Westbrook completely melted down. Like he doesn't the playoffs. Like y'all doesn't fourth quarter. Like key often does against Golden State. He sort of got a technical headbutted Klay Thompson over seven it was a bad shooting night. And and you shoot poorly, generally when you're tents or you're tired and Westbrook has never tired right here was the sound from Saturday night. Hossa got a block, and then Westbrook takes prostration fout that gets hit with a technical. That's his sixteen technical of the season. Which means he's going to be suspended unless they rescinded which doesn't look like that's going to be the case in this instance. But he's going to be suspended for their next game. Baby. It's a foul get back because you, you know, you plan against the Golden State Warriors. Every call is not gonna go your way just the way every game as an asleep mistakes to be made across the board. Playthrough. He is so tightly wound when you add any little pressure to him playoffs. Warriors, fourth quarter. He unravels. I don't hate Westbrook. I hate his game. He's he's the little league dad who's always to up tight one blown call by the unpire. He's into a confrontation with an empire literally game tensions contagious Twi Oklahoma City melts down in big games and melts down in the playoffs. He's rigid and everybody else's on pins and needles. I mean it was palpable in that game. What are you doing? I mean, listen fans media, even after the game dealing with media local media people there to give you back massage and make you look good. It was tense. You got sixteenth technical. Do you have any hopes getting that when rescinded so he can play Monday nights? Thanks question. Were you aware that you fifteen? Thanks question. Disappointed with yourself for picking up your sixteen next question. Again, if you can't deal with local media like that heckler fan in Utah. That was on him not on Westbrook. I defended him. But this is I don't hate Russell. I hate his game. Tension is contagious and any team. He's on in big spots. You can just see everybody clenching their teeth pins and needles. What's Ruskin ado and Saturday night, plus minus might eighteen over seven on threes. Whatever that was with Klay Thompson. I just don't think he's a championship player. Just a really talented one. All right coming up. Doug Gottlieb this hour. Listen, March madness brackets come out. You don't care who's in my bracket. You really don't. I don't care who's in yours. Let's be honest about this. I've been told this for years by people in Las Vegas who bet college basketball for a living. There's eight. Teams in every tournament that can win this thing. I think this year there's only six, and I'll give you my six coming up next one of the things I love about Dollar Shave Club. They've got everything I need. I want to look feel smell. 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Try the oral care kit after that the restock ships regular sized products at our regular price. So what are you waiting for get your? Charter set right now, five bucks. That's it at dollarshaveclub dot com slash Colin dollarshaveclub dot com slash Colin. Welcome back. Good to have yen. Doug Gottlieb around the corner. Joy Taylor is joining meets the hurting a Monday were packed today. So for years and years, I lived in Vegas, and when I lived in Vegas twenty-five years ago. College basketball was massive it felt bigger than the Super Bowl in March madness bracket Monday was gigantic and the college basketball years ago or NBA guys like Patrick Ewing would come back for a sophomore junior senior year CO good Zion. Williamson is can you imagine him coming back for four years? It would. That's college basketball was like twenty five years ago. It was amazing great players in great teams. Everybody came back as juniors and seniors as I n Williamson and Duke, it's a remarkable story. I liked them to win the tournament and get to the national championship. But one thing I always learned in Vegas was don't fall in love with the upsets there'll be a couple in the first round. Don't go crazy number one two three and four seeds dominate this tournament and that there's only eight teams that can actually win it because you've got to win six straight games. You got to have a good coach. You jennifer. You have to have a dominant NBA player or a really good score. Good back court smart guard play helps this year. I've watched their I watch a lot of college basketball. I don't talk a ton about it. Because nobody knows who the players are outside of a couple of guys for Duke. But I watch a lot of it this year. I think they're six teams that can win it. And I'll put it right up there for you, Duke, Gonzaga, Michigan, Virginia, Tennessee and North Carolina. I think Kentucky's close, but they're too inconsistent. Sometimes Calipari over coaches in the tournament, and frankly, they're five and four against ranked teams. I think Michigan state is close. But I don't think they can win six straight games. I actually like Michigan thought it showed a one yesterday in a crazy big ten championship. I think they have the best game coach in college basketball. And they're they're built to win. They don't get too high that don't get too low. I like their demeanor. They're good enough to beat anybody. But they're not talented enough to overlook anybody. I think Michigan is going to they're getting crushed this morning because everybody thinks they should be. Three c dot a two seat. Adding Michigan ends up in the final four. So I like Michigan a lot. And I'd like them all gear I've told y'all year, I think Duke plays Michigan and the national championship dukes getting better. That's what happens with freshman teams. But everybody, you know, the more options, you give me they keep adding teams to this tournament over the last twenty years, but they're not adding one and two seats. They're adding junk, they're not adding quality. It's like this gigantic menu. If you work in the restaurant business, everybody order's about six things off a menu. If you're expanding your menu. You're not adding chicken parm. Okay. That's what people have ordered for years. You're not adding a New York strip a baked potato or broccoli Leany that stuff's been on the menu for years. You're adding stuff that's new, but it'll never be as popular. And so I saw store this weekend about millennials, you know, the dreamers, and they're changing the world story was that. There are so many options. Now in vacations that millennials fifty one percent of millennials just go back to the place. They went last year because there's so much. Anxiety in so many choices. They just go back to what's popular. And I go back to what matters in college basketball. Do you have a great coach all d- have a coach who's been in the tournament. Do you have like one NBA guy? Do you have a smart back court? Are you capable of winning close games? Not getting too high after a win into low after loss. These are my six Duke, Gonzaga, Michigan, Virginia, Tennessee Carolina. I think Kentucky's close, but I wouldn't I don't think they win six straight. And I in Michigan state's close but in a tournament setting. I don't think they can win six straight. And there you go. There's my six Doug Gottlieb around the corner. Here's joy Taylor. This is the third line news. Lebron James has played the fifteenth most minutes in NBA history. And he's a second among active players trails only, Dirk, even I'd probably isn't too excited. Be missing the postseason. He is being very optimistic about this extra time. He's going to have any will. Absolutely. I mean, I've thought about my summer is going to be and you know, as unfortunate that we are so far out of the postseason right now and look alike, we won't be a part of a so obviously the first thing that comes to mind is just take care of my body. Not played a lot of basketball play a lot of minutes over my sixteen year career. So get not between the two have a couple more months to take care of my body and refresh my mind, and my body is going to be very key going into my seventeenth year. So looking forward to that actually need to break into law season. So he's gonna get a break. It's it's very I don't think it's completely washed over all of us. How weird it's going to be to watch the NBA playoffs without LeBron James. It's been so long. I mean, even Kobe may Michael retired. Kobe had dips even the greatest players of all time disappeared from the playoffs every few years. It's like LeBron been for fifteen years our staple in the playoffs. It's it's definitely going to be weird. But I. He doesn't need the time off. And we always talk about how much extra wear and tear. He's had because he has been in the playoffs and guns gone. So far in the playoffs the Olympics. It's like he's played so much fastball over his career that at this particular point in the career, it it's kind of a blessing in disguise like it's not a good thing. As far as like legacy are the conversation about the the free agency period, and what's gonna happen with them moving forward. But you can kind of brand this twenty years twenty years from now to bar you could say this and say yeah, remember that season. When everything went wrong for the Lakers, you to say that number to be okay with it. Like, you could say remember when Michael retired for couple years to play baseball. And you're like, yeah. That was weird. But we don't hold it against him. If LeBron comes back and wins the championship or comes or they come back in their competitive comes back, and it's more of the four years of this it to stay or not. The same way. So Baker Mayfield is embracing the personality that Odell Beckham junior's bringing to the Browns visiting the brewers spring training and Phoenix and Baker was asked about the emotions that Adele will add to the locker room. So same thing about me. You don't want to aim at each slipped and be themselves and make plays. That's who they are. When it comes down to it at the guys in that locker room, you're gonna love playing with them, and I know from from saquon, sterling shepherd, very close. I I know attacking Jay is inside the locker room, and he is twisting mates. And that that's the most important thing is people can have their, you know. Attitudes and perspective on it. But he's himself. And he also just US back. I can't get used. He's a handsome kid what's up with the beard. I just can't get you very you're very picky and choosy about your beard. Sometimes you just love the beard and sometimes your way out today. I don't like I it's just very odd. It's baker. So you're you're going to find something to say, I I do think it is a lot about what you were talking about earlier with Rothlisberger. You don't need doubts be a leader. You don't need Tonio. You need Baker to be the leader. Thank Ken in this particular situation with this team as it's currently assembled Baker has to be the leader. Because he's he is the emotional drive of that team. He's the battery of that team, by the way, this is going to be interesting joy because it Oklahoma. Let's face it you line up ten weeks a year and you blow pasture opponent. You don't have to be a great leader. You could just be a good player. And then you go to the NFL last year with Cleveland, he didn't even start the year and the expectations were low. This is the first time Baker is like in the captain's chair. The plane, and you gotta make tight landing here and people are going to bang on you if you don't win the division because it's all on him. Now is one hundred percents. I'm with you everything you just says completely accurate last year. Was he had nothing to do. But go up. Yes. He didn't start the season. They fired the coach if our coordinator it was chaos and he's still ended up having a great season. So to his credit? I do think that he is capable of leading this team, it it is a lot of personalities, and it's a it's a lot of stars himself included. But it what's going to be different. For Baker is an in Cleveland is that they're and how playing with expectations where I don't know. How many years they've had no expectations. So anything good? That happens is like a bone. Yeah. You got throwing a parade. They finished third place last year. Like now, it's like second place is going to be by the way. I'll be the first guy to stand up because this is not gonna be an easy situation. Rookie head coach outspoken GM Jarvis Landry. No del Beckham are challenging players you got three legit. It running backs one will come back halfway through the season. So if Baker can lead this team, I will tip the cap and say this is not an easy team to quarterback. I think the but Tom Brady with his team. And there would be I mean, listen, you gave Tom Brady a rookie coach and outspoken GM and tours offers that want fourteen targets this is not an easy team to quarter. I don't think it is. But I do think that they're going to pull it off this year because I have no faith in the Steelers anymore. I'm defeated finally. Dolphins fans. Got an interesting Saint Patrick's Day surprise Ryan Fitzpatrick agreed to a two year deal with Miami. Now since the announcement, there's been some speculating, and how that affects Miami's of this story line that they're tanking for two. I I don't I don't know what that means that they moved off Ryan tannehill which doesn't tannehill for Ryan Fitzpatrick is like, okay, how about this? They just no longer wanted to be married to Tanna hill. I understand that understand. And they've probably explained Ryan that this is a temporary situation. They're looking for the guy. And that's that's probably the situation to it doesn't excite me to be honest with you. I'm not as big as onto as everybody else's. They should move make a move four quarterback this year. And let Ryan Fitzpatrick who is a veteran teach them how to crowd. That's what you should do go draft that kid at Missouri who have the guy in this strap Missouri's got a talented kid little cocky, low reckless, but fun and talented draft him. And then let him learn from a pro joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard on that's bringing my friend. I left Nome yesterday doing that Michigan Michigan state game. It was absolutely crazy fund. Doug Gottlieb, the Duggar after me, Fox Sports radio. We'll let just let let's hit on the one thing that people know you for college hoops, I know you for a lot more than that. But years ago when I lived in Vegas. It was the heart of you an LV in college basketball, guys like, you know, Christian Leitner would come back for junior year. It was a different sport. But I, but I beg us guys used to always tell me listen about eight teams every year that can win. This thing you need the coach is he good situationally. Nice to have an NBA player. You'll have to Virginia's got now an NBA guy. The andrea. Yeah. Guard play tens the matter. Are you a team that won't get too high to low? So you can get knocked off. These are my have watched all good Duke a lot I think Michigan's built for the tournament 'cause I think their game. Coach is amazing. I think Kentucky Michigan state or close. But I can't see them winning six straight games. These are my six I like is there a dark horses or a team you love? I mean, we have Kentucky in there. There's five and four against ranked teams that got better late in the year. But the zag lost to Tennessee and North Carolina and lost to Duke. Am beat Duke who in it. Who should win it? I mean, Duke should win it based upon talent and pedigree. But they're they have basically three guys that can score. No bench. Can't shoot. But like if I went through each one of these teams like Michigan, no bench and can't score. They have to beat you with their defense. Yes. And they're great at point guard defensive in at center defensively, but they lost Michigan state three times. Because Michigan state was that much better at point guard offensively North Carolina. I think has a ton of talent I liked it. But Kobe white their freshman point guard is more of a score than kind of your traditional ROY Williams point guard. Tennessee England zag I've questions about their guard play Virginia like don't tell me you're pregnant show show me the baby in the NCAA tournament. I look I have Kentucky in my bracket. And I have some the same hesitations you do have youth Ashton Hagans their point guard can't shoot. Nobody's great defensively. They got scores on each wing. Yeah. They got scores inside, they defend they have depth. And and as much as you could take shots at John cale Perry for only winning one title at Kentucky. He's around most time more times. Not he's around close. I would put Kentucky definitely okay? On that list. Probably take Michigan off the list. But they've been able to do considering what they lost him last year is nothing short of miraculous with John nine. I just don't think they have the offencive firepower to win four let alone six games, by the way, great weekend. Great job in the big ten championship. While like just fun craze any one of these things that we do in in. My sport. College basketball is we have a tendency to completely downplay conference play in conference tournament. Play. Like that stuff is awesome. And Michigan state won their preseason tournament Vegas. They when the regular season they'd be Michigan three times. And they went that was an absolute war yesterday to win in Chicago. And nobody cares if they lose, you know, they're they're found game. Like what happened to Middleton when they lost the middle Tennessee suckling back couple of years ago? All right. I want to go to a couple of NBA things. First of all, I've said, I don't hate Russell Westbrook. I hate his game. There's kind of a lack of self awareness. He's a very rigid tightly wound guy, and when you are. And you add a little tension to it playoffs for. Quarter against the warriors. He completely meltdown Saturday. I'm not going to bang on him because he's not a great shooter and never has been just did bang. Well, no. But what I beg for his personality. I was on a plane years ago guys drunk, unruly intention is contagious the uptight dad the guy in the plane. You we've been in TSA where some are who your best player is. And they're j-. I watched this meltdown Saturday night. What did you make of it? Well, I kind of think we keep stoking it like even the look the fan should've lost his tickets. Yes. In in Utah. Yes. But the fact is like that's not his first run in with a fan even this year. Right. Like, hey, dude. We don't dislike you, he actually like you like, we we get into the close thing in the shoes thing, and the why not the end the why not thing and yet for whatever reason he super super defensive, and we make excuses for Russell Westbrook. We make excuses for the poor shooting. Like, hey, look, Paul, George has been great. So Russell Westbrook. Must be. Part of that he's part of that. But he's most of it is Paul George has just been great, right? I kind of think the way in which most players most media members handled the Russell Westbrook in Utah situation. Yeah, is why we see him acting this way. You know, you've got another gets technical fouls. He's supposed to be suspended a game. Right. Because he's gotten more technical fouls in anybody in the NBA. That's not weird. He's just so incredibly defensive in a me against the world guy when the world is not actually against Russell, by the way. It's kind of what makes him great. What makes us great is that he's got this chip on his shoulder a mile high. It's y Aaron Rodgers ends up from junior college to the great talent. But sometimes your personnel your benefits become I tend to be kind of myopic that can make me really dopey husband. And sometimes my kids want to strangle me, Westbrook's intensity is what makes him Westbrook. And it's what wears people out. And I just think he's a very tightly. Wow. Guy at a little bit attention to the moment. And it's just implode quickly. There's there's no question. I I know people that have always been Westbrook fans. Yes. Because of how hard he works hard. He played that level of level of competitiveness on a daily basis who are now just like kinda done with the whole thing the whole tough guy act. The the, you know, the whole the refs are out to get me. The world is out against me. Like, look, he he's gotten worse. Not better as a shooter. Normally when you when you start to age, you get better as shooter in worse as an athlete, but he's just like look at it creates an amount of tension. That is not good for his team. And they should be legit challenger the west. Don't look the other thing that happened over the weekend. Malcolm brogden got hurt. He's out six to eight weeks. Yep. I think that changes the east dramatically he's an incredibly integral part of what the what the bucks do and CJ McCollum. We'll see what happens with with may not for Portland might not play either. Which makes Portland wasn't gonna win the thing. But they would be a nuisance to somebody in. NBA playoff series drag it out six seven games. Here's another story. I think that needs to be addressed a we all know. Kevin durant? Amazing. But I talked about this with with with certain guys are great talents. Not great leaders. Barry bonds. You know, I think was great talent. I don't think berry was -ssarily galvanized a locker room, sir. Iran a little bit and we both like, Iran. Whereas jeeter was both Russell Wilson's both. I think Peyton Manning was great Anna leader, I look at Kevin Durant. And you know, Golden State he'll he'll leave for a couple of games and they're better without not better without him. They're not this is the that's the this is the Celtics are better without Kyrie thing. They're not I listened the reason they beat Houston was DeMarcus cousins for the first time look like DaMarcus K played. Well, he played played exceptionally. Well, and then they beat Oklahoma City because Russell Westbrook in imploded but joined acknowledge it is Steph team look Steph is Steph is who they wanna be Steph. Steph has fun like it's it's not worked to him. Right. And that does flow to the whole team. Whereas Katie is kind of. A in like he's like why is he not happy? But he's a walking bucket, Colin. Yes. He's the best player in the NBA because he can affect the game at both ends of the floor, and he has virtually unstoppable. Pull up jump shot. Right. Like, so I get it. He's he's not that much fun to cover, and he doesn't seem like he's enjoying him self that much. But there is kind of a mixture there right because Steph is fun step plays with joy. But Steph also turned over and doesn't really bother them that much K K D wants to terrace, your heart and show it in front of you and watch you bleed to death. That's who he is. He really is once upon a time. There was a nickname given him the slim reaper that he ran away from. And I thought that was amazing. I thought that was perfect. That's a great thing. It's great. He's struggling kind of internally. But they're not that without the best score end. Getting it goes to something. Join I talked about this member. Dan Campbell took over the dolphins. Yeah. As a coach, and he was kind of this. You know, kind of the meat head coach, right? And for like four weeks. The dolphins were amazing. Yes. But over time teacher, but over time the best teachers went Andy Reid bell check. Kevin Durant in a short spurt without him the classrooms fine. But he is the smartest kid in the classroom, like change your opinion all in. No, you didn't. But they did because you came in with the premise that defendant without him. Look, here's the thing with Golden State that I don't know if you've said, but I've said is I'm not convinced. They're actually better with DeMarcus cousins, I don't think they are. Right. And so look anytime Golden State has won NBA championship. They won three of the past four. They've done so closing out with Draymond green with the small ball lineup. Right. That's their death lineup. Yep. Okay. That's not having a big guy. And the reason is you have to hide Steph curry you can hide one guy defensively you can't hide to and if they had to Marcus cousins. Now, the sudden you can't switch every pick and roll with your center, and oh, yeah. By the way, he's kind of a ball stopper offensively. Like, there's a reason they went out. And got Andrew bogut off the scrap heap who's in Australia because he's a great screener both legal and illegal. He's a great passer. And he's a no ego guy. Yeah. And he he fits perfectly with what they have. Whereas DeMarcus cousins does not I think the warriors still know that they have problems. This weekend's two wins without Kevin Durant notwithstanding. I wanna talk about Ben Rothlisberger. What I'm finding with Pittsburgh. It's the blame game. It's everybody else's fault. But I don't need Antonio Brown ABI leader. And I don't need levian belt. Obi leader. I need my quarterback to be a leader. I mean, I got about nine thousand nine examples now with big band people calling him out. Okay. At some point now. And I've always said quarterbacks can get away with more because our quarterbacks. I mean, if Russell Wilson was a jerk he could get away with it. Right. If you're a defensive end or a corner in your loud, you're out of town. But I mean this claim by a Steeler teammate that four years ago he fumbled on purpose to spite Todd Haley to go public with that. You've that's that. That is not just a singer. Opinion. That's been talked about among Steeler players has it not there's no no question. But I think part of it is we're trying to understand wait a second. How could this have not landed them a Super Bowl? Right. You had you had Antonio Brown. And I think this is explained there was massive dysfunction with within that team when they had Todd Haley he didn't like Todd and Todd didn't like him. Right. But I can only point out that like look this is what happened Todd who's the head coach and Kim city. This would happen with Todd Haley is the offense coordinator in Cleveland. So while while if he bumbled on purpose, and that is a that. Then pastored league claimed that is that is like sabotage it is it's exactly what it is sabotage. That's worse than like changing. A play is one thing. Fumbling on purpose and potentially cost near team a chance to ice the game is a completely other claim. I've never even heard that in football. I've I've I can watch baseball guys mail in at bats. I've seen tennis guys down three love just like get to the next set. I've seen golf guys at the turn. Like, I don't wanna play this weekend. I've never even heard this claim. Well, I mean, look I've I've heard of some of that in basketball where basketball Hitler guy. Oh, come guile, come down. And you know, he he they know time in score, they know situation, right? And they'll screw a coach on purpose. Like, oh, you this which you wouldn't hold it against for a quarterback. Again. This is it's one it's one claim it is one claim that you're like man too close for comfort. I'll just say this about Big, Ben, whatever we think of them, whatever some former teammates think of them whatever lady on thinks about him. But all the late. Theon hasn't come out with negative statements about Big Ben Antonio Brown has the fact is the Pittsburgh Steelers found said, he's our guy. He's our guy. I mean, look the the GM even said like fifty two other kids in the room. And he's the he's the one adult I didn't love I didn't love the what he said. And the way he said it, but it's pretty obvious that they know replacing Ben Rothlisberger is a lot harder than living with Ben Rothlisberger. So they're gonna have to live with some of his works. He had me. He's linked to the Trump story. He had the previous deals with women. He had wearing a motorcycle riding motorcycle without a helmet, and you know, going over like he's got some stuff a lot. But we've all kind of matured, and there is there's a lot of shrapnel there to pick out with Todd Haley relationship and all that said if the catch rule last year was what the catch rule is this year. They would have had home field advantage wouldn't have had to play Jacksonville. At that point the playoffs probably would have gone to the Super Bowl and lady on bagged the season. And then Antonio Brown decided he didn't want to show up for weeks. Nineteen and so he still your Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. Right. Doug, Gottlieb, goodstuff your show today will be an enlightening voyage through who to take. And who to avoid in the college basketball NBA hoops as well. And where's Josh Rosen? Go now, right Washington off the docket. It looks like Miami off the docket the giants or the chargers giant that sounds like you have inside Collin, right? Colorado on top of the hour. Doug gottlieb. Good senior you buddy coming up next. The raiders are talking too much, and I'm not even talking Jon Gruden. They're just talking too much. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, ninety an Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. If you look in the National Football League, quiet. Covert private is the way to go it. There's almost a kind of weird. I mean, it's not analogous to military but military's far more important than football. But there is sort of a military sense with football that you got a playbook. You keep it quiet. You don't lose that playbook, and you know, you're part of a real a real brotherhood. And that's why in the NFL if you're in the front office talk less always so Mike Mayock is a nice guys broadcaster and Jon Gruden I get along with John. He's a broadcaster. But these guys are long time television personalities, and I said this last year with Jon Gruden stop talking. You don't need to perform anymore when you're on television. I'm paid to perform theatrical give you strong opinions. That's what I'm paid to do. Once your football coach, you have to get out of that former TV thing and almost go the opposite way from engaging to extending a conversation to give me more than I need to. To reeling it all in walking to a podium and saying onto Cincinnati. You just don't hear the best front office people in the NFL talk almost ever how he Roseman Philadelphia. Great. I never see him talk. Chris ballard. He just don't see these guys talk. So Mike Mayock like Gruden comes from a long career in television. Now, those two guys are running the raiders and Dan Patrick had Mike Mayock the other day talking about that tray that got him Antonio Brown. Here's the tape. I kept saying we're not interested. We're not interested. We're not interested in the buffalo thing fell through that Friday, and one of their guide reached out to John and John reached out to me and I called Kevin. And Kevin said, would you trade your too, and I said, no. But you know, we might trade are three for three and a five at that point. We were ready to say, okay. It looks like free agencies got to change for us. Okay. Now joy, tell me if I'm overreacting isn't that a private conversation? You don't really want to reveal what swayed you and how your shot at g was when you didn't want someone. And then you did. And because doesn't that make it look like Colbert, Kevin Colbert GM Steelers came and Mike swatted him away? And Mike got what he wanted. It makes Kevin culvert looked like he lost this sort of transaction, by the way, it's incidental. Mike not trying to do that. But Mike was performing Mike was being a guest on a show. It was a good question. It elicited a great answer. That's what hoesch ado good for Dan. But that feels like a private conversation and people aren't going to want to do business with you. If they think you're trades are going to end up on radio and TV shows. Which is happened with the Lakers. And what a disaster that was in general when you moving pieces around and these pieces are human beings, and they have families and their attached to fan bases and have spent years in a particular place, and you have a fan base, you're responsible for as well, you want to keep the inner workings of how those deals are done very very private. You know, I it's like a family like there's certain times your family my family. We just keep this in the house. It may be disciplined with one of our kids. It may be a fight. You have with your spouse. We're just gonna keep us in the house this nobody in the neighborhood near needs to know about this that doesn't mean it was a terrible situation. It doesn't mean it's legal or the wrong decision. It's just sometimes just keep stuff in house and in the NFL, we've got a history here. That's the opposite of what the patriots do. What would ballot? Check do. He wouldn't talk about another GM the phone call. That's just a private conversation. And I'll say this. I said this with Gruden last year Gruden last year was performing. In its listen. I worked at a company for eleven years. It took me about a year and a half to get it out of your head. Not that you have grudges. But when you go down a hallway for eleven years, and then you go down a different hallway, if you're in a marriage for fifteen years, and then you get out of the marriage for the next year your habits and trying to kind of unravel an unpack the way you did things. And I just think they have to TV guys who are now in an NFL situation. And just talk a lot all the time. I wanna talk about Odell Beckham junior. So Jerry Jones owns the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry Jones was asked about the New York Giants trading owed L Beckham junior. Here's his reaction. I'm a big football fan. I'm a Browns fan because from Cleveland, we took a fantastic. Why are we Seabra out of your division Odell Beckham junior? How you feel about that? Thank you. Thank you. Watch your back. Well before you. Agree with that. And I'm so Behan Hasham's what they're doing. They're in Cleveland. And I'm really when you're in a league, you really won't to competition to be there. Yes. Odell Beckham is going to be really good in Cleveland, if he can stay healthy. Here's the thing for all. You New York giant fans. I see everybody taken sides. So glad Dell's gone. What are you doing? A can't believe you traded Odell giant fans. You want to get better root for owed L Beckham to be great in Cleveland. Non good great, so good. He's got fifteen touchdowns. So good. The Browns won the division. So good. You can't cover them. So good. Baker Mayfield MVP finalist. Why it will validate finally to the Mara family? We gotta get ready. Eli you want owed L Beckham to go to Cleveland and blow the league up to Randy moss with New England set records because in New York right now, your issue isn't trading Odell. It's that your owner, and your GM are trying to convince you he lies still got it. When you at yet when you add owed outta Cleveland, and they blow the league up all you ally. Mannion creeks can go told ya. Told ya Conwright Colin wrong neck, be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Atlanta monday. This is the her wherever you may be in. How ever you may be listening? We are live on iheartradio Fox Sports radio and f s one by the way, cold and flu season. Try Vicks sign X nasal spray works up to twelve hours. When you have conjunction congestion Vicks sign X nasal spray. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Monday. It was very busy weekends. And college basketball. It's bracket Monday. You don't care about my bracket, and I don't care about yours, and it'll probably due in the national championship. And that'll be okay. With me. Because I I've watched Duke play fifteen times this year, they can't shoot. But they're really good joy. How are you? I am good while we do it every week at this time. I started doing this about four or five years ago. And I said, you know, sometimes I'm right sometimes I'm wrong, but people in this business never admit when they're wrong political pundits. Don't they just moved the goal posts? And I thought every Monday will come out and I'll just say last two weeks last week. Here's where I goofed up. And here's where I was. Right. So here we go where Colin was right. I told you a year ago. I said you better draft Sam darnold giants. And if you don't you're going to regret it. Well, let's look less than a year later hotel. Beckham's gone. Dave Gettleman is getting crushed. They have no plan. He li- shot. There's a division in the locker room whether it can play and the New York Jets cross town have their guy and are completely optimistic just adding levian bell and feel like they compete for division. Listen you pass on a top quarterback prospect and every single analyst. I know every GM I talked to said. Darnold was either the first or the second best quarterback? You don't pass up on a top quarterback prospect, the NFL college gives you a one or two a year. Max darnold was one of the two three guys that can change your franchise an aging Eli manning and less than a year later. The giants are an absolute mess where Colin was raw Zion. Williamson came back for Duke. I said when he got hurt this kid's gonna break every shoe deal ever. He's a once in a decade FINA. M- do not rest him getting hurt. It'll tarnish shoshefsky reputation Nike's everybody boy came back for the record. I love being wrong here. I love athletes the care about, you know, playing it's not all about money in brand. This kid, though is going to shatter every shoe record deal for a rookie into this league. And I'm not sure ever be topped at least in the next decade. I thought they'd sit him out. And I thought it would be too much pressure even from Zion. Williamson's family Nike, but he came back. He played great. He's an absolute blast to watch. And I couldn't be happier being wrong where Colin was right. Russell Westbrook Saturday night. Listen the fan in Utah's a jerk and should have been kicked out forever. And I think fans are inappropriate all the time. But my knock on Westbrook as os just too darn rigid. And he at a little tension a fourth quarter, a playoff and he just implodes Saturday night. Classic example. He's going after one of the quietest most demure classiest guys know league Klay Thompson what what are you doing? What are you doing? I mean, Klay Thompson and Steph courier buzz likable as American superstars get and it showed once again, even after the game his intensity creates tension in the building. And it's palpable. Sixteen technical. Do you have any hopes get met when rescinded so you can play Monday nights? Thanks. Are you aware that you fifteen? Question. Disappointed with yourself for picking up your sixteen next question. Emme just he's just a lot of work. Where Colin was raw. I've ripped the Packers forever. The penny. Pinching free agent Packers. They have Aaron Rodgers and they never get him a legitimate defense. But I got a tip my cap to the Packers. I thought they did a great job in free agency. They didn't go out and spend crazy money. They went out and got defensive guys who are really good Preston. Smith. Very good linebacker from Washington. He's gonna come in and start Adrian rename for the bears is a Daria Smith. Another linebacker. They went out and got three starters defensively got faster and more athletic in the linebacking corps when you get an Aaron Rodgers. That's that's a once a decade town. Right. Give them a defense. I mean, I like Tom Brady as much as anybody. But Brady for fifteen years at the end of every season. New England has a top ten defense. I mean, you can't ask Aaron Rodgers to save yet year after year, he's thirty five increasingly little brittle. I thought Green Bay had a very good off season. They got starters really good players for duct guys who've been in this league. And they didn't spend a fortune. A maybe this is the most they can do, you know, my got lower my standards a little, but I thought Green Bay had a really nice free agent week where Colin was right? Kevin durant? Good. But am I the only one that notices when Kevin Durant out? The warriors are good. They beat Houston. They beat Oklahoma City. Both wins were on the road. But here's the point whether they're better not without Kevin Durant. Here's the point. This is Steph team. I've always felt it steps team. They're more fun to watch the spacings better. It's more touches for Steph curry, I think Steph than amazing guy and his aptitude his sense of timing. His sense of self is remarkable. I I don't know if there's ever been a superstar like Steph curry who is eight incredibly giving teammate. But you know, what? Sometimes he shouldn't give up so much because when he's free wheeling out there. He's got the hands. Bala has Golden State's spacing and flow and tempo. Face score more. I'm not saying Kevin Durant. Not the best bail outscore in the NBA. But this is steps team, and you can just watch how the ball flows when they're not waiting for Durant to save them at the end of the clock once again proving Durant. The better player it Steph team where Colin was raw years. I blamed Mike Tomlin for ninety nine percent of the Steelers issues, but that story on big band coming out that he purposely fumbled for years ago. That's just an indictment. I I can't get past that true or not true. The video. Doesn't do Ben any favors? It's a weird play to say the least that he fumbled at despite Todd Haley, they had a ten point lead minute to go against the bungles. So they had the game in hand. Listen, there's just too many former teammates criticizing ban smoke fire. I mean, again, I he's a quarterback quarterbacks can get away with more. We all know that. That's the way the world works. Mike McCarthy's getting fired. Aaron Rodgers is not getting fired. If Russell Wilson Pete Carroll didn't get along. I can tell you who be out of town. It would be Russell Wilson. But at some point we gotta stop defending Big Ben at every turn as a lot of drama a lot of passive aggressive in this claim against him is ugly. Where Colin was right. The more honest. I am the more hate I get I've been saying recently that you know, buffalo players don't wanna play there. You have to overpay by about twenty percent for buffalo to get players at a shot at buffalo. It's cold. It's next to Nova Scotia. Well, the NFL agent had a pull this weekend. And they asked the best and worst landing spots for their players and buffalo was the worst NFL destination. According to agents from what their players said, listen, I've had players tell me this. I haven't coaches tell me this harder move your wife to buffalo than it would be Los Angeles Dallas, Chicago where my EMMY nothing against buffalo. But it's cold it kind of geographically isolated. It's cold and have a history of losing. There is a geographic reality with buffalo. And the agents have players have nothing to gain by saying this. But it's true. So every time I say it that Buffalo's got overpaid again people. It's not because I hate buffalo. I'm in the honesty business, not in the protect your reputation business where Colin was raw. The Lakers may not win as many games as last year. Let's just put a cap on this. This is bad. I would have never guessed this. You'll get swept by the Knicks. They'll win fewer games than with without LeBron the players. They get rid of Julius Randle. We'll all get better in. Lebron elevate anybody's game other than maybe Kyle. Kuzma this morning. If I said worse team in the NBA if I said Lakers. Are you? Sure, I'd be wrong. They got swept by the Knicks who I think we all understand are trying to lose. This has been so much worse than I ever thought. It's not just the not gonna reach forty eight wins. They may be the worst team in the league. I think they are Phoenix Lakers. Do that's about it. Where Colin was right said a year ago this NFL free agency. It's going to start looking like NBA free agency. Is it Philadelphia? Did it Rams did it and they both end up in a Super Bowl. This was a lot of fun. It's a big win for the NFL. But we said this about a year ago. Something changing culturally like when Jimmy Johnson took over the Cowboys made a big trade and everybody said, hey, tradings, cool. You can get better fast free agency is now a real business in late February and Martin NFL. It's it's not gonna slow down. Like, this is not gonna slow down. This is not a one or a two off going forward. You're going to see team spent a lot of money the winner, by the way, is you the fans because I don't remember in my life. The first week of March being more fun to be a sports caster than last week stars trading teams controversies owed L Beckham lebian bell and tone. Jio brown. The caps moved up. There's a lot of money, and they're spending it where Colin was raw. Well, I sat a about three weeks ago. I said it's not going to happen anytime soon, but Russell Wilson and his beautiful life Ciara. There's a sense that maybe Seattle isn't big enough for the star couple. Well, Russell Wilson came out this weekend and addressed my rumor, which I have knowledge was a rumor and said, I'm not sure the Seahawks. Let me get away. I love Seattle special place. I want a Super Bowl here Tuesday per bowls, multiple playoff games, everything else. I love it here. So for the time being Seattle, it feels like you one. Congratulations feeling that way. But I will still contend that. Russell Wilson and Ciara. There are people very captivated by that pair in metropolitan areas on the coasts, and I'll leave it at that. Where Colin was right. The American alliance of football that new spring football league. The af two good stories this weekend number one CBS has now decided we're going to put some games on our air, a major network two more games a Johnny Manziel. It's been announced is going to get to try out. The af they've signed him. Listen, I'm going all in on this spring football is going to work in America. I don't want to hear about the XFL. This is not the XFL. I don't want to hear about the US F L Trump's not involved in this league. Hey, this thing's going to work. Now. It may not be this lead. It may be the XFL. That's the Vince McMahon league. They're they're going to come next spring. I don't think both leagues survived for ten years. I don't know if they've survived for three years, but spring football is going to work legalized gambling. There's a real hole in February. And March the talk about football. And the enter thing is this league is perfect for, you know, the capture Nick the Tibo the man's Zell a quarterback that may be NFL teams for whatever reasons are reluctant to sign. This league was Bill for Johnny Manziel. I said this for years about Tim tebow go to Canada you'll win a Grey Cup. But you know, there's sudden there's some stigma among agents sending your guys to. At least in football. So good weekend for them. Very good weekend for the af. 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What happened tight an anxiety? It's like a like a by the way is good to see you guys. It's like the basketball. God's right? It's like. They gave us the luck against Kansas. And then he just took it away from us Stanford. Clue. I don't I just it hurts to this. I never watched that game. I get that guy hurts. Oh, I totally get that in game six. No that enganed three. I think it was semi-finals Western Conference clippers sons. Now, we're you lose a Super Bowl. I don't want to watch it. I wouldn't wanna watch my worst segment or my worst shell. I totally get it a kilt me. I'm telling you. All right. So yesterday, Walt Frazier Lakers lost to the Knicks Walt Frazier's iconic seventy star for the New York Knicks. He and Earl Monroe in the back court, and he was criticized on the Bron James after the game or during the game for where LeBron was sitting play the tape. When you face the NBA think you should be more part of your team. No matter what is going on in the public. You've got us be apart a team may have in locker room, you're not, but you have to do with that type of togetherness in public, folks. And right now, we see doesn't really care now. He's talking to Tyson Chandler that is a Laker. What what do you make it? What Walt saying? Let's start off by saying, listen, what Frazier was one of the best, right? Right. It's it's a funny thing is it's when you start getting older as a person. People forget they were you forget you were younger like that. You you've won made mistakes that wasn't a mistake, actually. Because the brand always sits at the end of the bench. He's talking to Tyson Chandler, if you look at the whole scenario he got China's talking to. Moving. Lebron? Do you want to McComb by the guys that are on the bench? That are literally standing up together. Dawn looking into stands. I've no clue what you wanted to do. But it's like, CLYDE or or Charles guys who really like did you see people you can get caught up in a narrative, you get caught up in a narrative right now the narrative is to bash LeBron. Everything's his fault. That's the thing. Yeah. That's become the avalanche in my takeaway. I'll throw something at you. I think the problem think about this this now this is a problem, and you can't blame LeBron for all this every Laker in the last four years. That leaves is better DeAngelis. Russell is an all-star Julius Randle career. Highs brook Lopez best shooting ear zoo box to the clippers. He's their starting center in they're playing basketball, every by the way, even Larry Nance junior to Cleveland, it's the best he's ever played to me. You can't blame LeBron or even Luke Walton for all that stuff. Roy will Lou Williams. Tmz had him. Let him go crushing it for the clippers setting an NBA bench record the Lakers problems to me feel inside the buildings. It's front office as nothing to do with the Brian James that's front office. And because for a while who I love and adore so much Kobe Bryant he. He demanded a high standard. So when other stars will come there. It's not easy to play with Kobe Bryant, especially when he demands so much. So it kind of scared a lot of free agents off dance a lot of pressure. So don't blame. Lebron James for things. He's done. They picked that team. Lebron James mind, you they weren't fourth place at one point time before he got injured. But I mean, come on the narrative now is become LeBron's on top of the world. This has been a bad season. And so let's just everything's LeBron's fault. All I would say about that video was he's talking to the Laker trainer. N he's talking to Tyson Chandler. He's not mingling with James Dolan and fans at the garden in New York. So last year last year when planned when we had little the water bottle, and he doesn't New York guess rosette ended a bench. He's at the end of the bitch. And that team went to the final. Anyway, I don't understand it. You gotta pick something psycho. Bama what the tan suit. You got to pick something. We used to be telephone or president because of a tan suit. That's a good call. So saying this about Westbrook. I I'm seeing is a Westbrook hater there are players who are great talent. But not great leaders big band. Increasingly feels like that great talent, not the greatest leader. Barry Bonds had that feel a little bit era to that. Kobe. Great talent, not always great leader. With a Russell Westbrook Cotino. I believe tension is contagious. And when I watch him this weekend Saturday night warriors in town, you add a little elevation of emotion to a game. And it looked like once again Westbrook is unhinged. How in the world? Do you do that Klay Thompson one of the most decent quiet? Non confrontational guys in the league. Didn't it? Look like Westbrook. Just on again melted down this weekend. I don't I don't watch this great deal. What is that? Well, that's that's a personal thing between Westbrook and books. No, Russ books ego. You know, he listened. He's like that regardless if it was Klay Thompson, whoever none of the referee missed the call and St Francis. Do that Steve Francis? He used to do things like that where he's so passionate. He kicked the ball in a stance in Utah. Like, you just do certain things. Now westbrook. Always plays with a chip on his shoulder. If you take them down what you have. But my point was St Francis is that tensions contagious like Ross is so tightly wound that for to some degree. This is why the thunder get tight in playoff games. It's pins and needles. You know, it's like if you're in a family, I can't speak for anybody else's family. And this was not my family, but I've heard about families like this where the dad is super intense and the dad is loud and the data sort of over the top and everybody in the house is walking on eggshells because the dad is intense. I feel with Russell sometimes he is so intense you kind of as a franchise coach locks on shells. But I think we suppose it for second. Comes to that. And a reason we're not interrupt not reason why say has because this year, he sacrificed a lot of his ego in his personality for Paul George in about a minute of the team. So let's just wait when a playoffs. Come and see if he does those things that you're saying because he has a history of that. And usually I always go with the phrase is if you show me who you are going to believe you and Lee lately in the past few years, that's who he has been, but he didn't have Paul t seed ran off K D. Now, you have Paul George last year. It was uncomfortable this year. Let's figure out what you're gonna do. Now. If you start these antics and shooting the ball more than Paul George now take over this is what worries me before the trading deadline. Westbrook was fine. He was good team. And I kept saying joy was here. I said let's get close to the playoffs. I'm a judge it because this is just the way Westbrook's DNA is right. You start adding tension Saturday night playoffs. Fourth quarter warriors come to town. Take your personal one on one oppose a team. All right. Let's talk. If I if we. We can Katie didn't play and the warriors go they beat Houston on the road and they beat oak. Okay. See and the road. Who's the best player you ever played with the best player? I've ever played with. That's interesting while oh, his downside. Chris Webber was amazing. Okay. Chris Webber was amazing mazing Chris Webber. I want to say St Francis locate so those are like big time towns could you make the argument because I watched the warriors the last three years they're twenty six and four with Steph, and no Kevin Durant yet they're pretty average twenty three and fifteen with K D And no staff right now, I'm not saying the warriors are better off without Kevin Durant. But I look at those numbers there everage twelve almost eleven points a game more when katie's out the floor when you were playing with Weber and Francis a great player sometimes Cotino does it team rely on him. Like, he's he's he bails you out the. Star bails you out, and it is you become kind of beholden or dependent on the star to bail. You out. Did you do that with Francis? Did you do it with Weber well Francis? And I we just traded off a lot it just that his talent level was so amazing. We traded off a lot. So. Not what Steve but will Chris because of the offense, and we started at the high post Chris dictated the whole game offensively for all of us was easier. So yes, you defer to Chris because he was more of the point forward in this offense. I think with Steph car is the most important part of the team. Yes. But the most important is the most important in. It's a me the most important is actually the most valuable he's the most valuable one on that team. He's not on a team data will do as well as they do. He does so many different things authencity which causes chaos now and causing chaos may not defensively. He may not be great defensively. But mentally it tires you off when you own a defense trying to chase them out on this one person and everybody else gets open. That's the key to it now. Kevin Durant is amazing MVP's this that whatever, blah, blah, blah. But it was harder for him in. Okay. See here is a cake walk because you have so many amazing players starting with Steph curry interesting. It's like sometimes I find when you have a star receiver in the NFL that you almost feel like you have to go to him. Like there are times. I felt like Tom Brady. It's like get Randy moss. Involved. Right. You know, Calvin Johnson in Detroit's one of the best guys best players ever, Matt Stafford in the lions became they've like they almost on third down felt like we have to go to Calvin or it's it's not good football. He laughed. They got better. And even the offense got better. So I I do find sometimes Kevin Durant. The best bail outscore maybe an NBA history. He's an automatic bucket. And sometimes you kind of depend on him Patino Mobely. We gotta run joy with the news. Good senior. Heard on the news. This is the third line news. The Lakers will have the seven players under contract exception of LeBron everyone on the roster. We'll be playing on their rookie contracts. Something the first season with a little rough has hurt their chances of landing a big star in free agency. But LeBron is so confident about their selling points. Listen to this franchise wants to win and wants to win big. And the one thing about it a franchise catered to the players Ness, it, you know, and everything else comes second. They only want us to go on perform at a high level and played a game at high level. So we know. You know, it'll be mentioned with somebody great teams those mental league at that point time. So like I said it's a lot of great free agents. Smith summer, not going to name any names because every time I say something organization says something about a specific person we'd get in trouble to get better. And that's definitely great to not that when you have an opportunity to get better from the personnel standpoint. Because there's tempering rules. It's not picking on the Lakers. Everyone gets in trouble for that. When they do that. Anyway, the Lakers have roughly thirty nine million suspended on another all star free agent like Harry, Irving, Leonard. Kevin Durant Thompson or Butler. Strong names out there as well. But I do think that it's pretty obvious that the the Lakers have taken a hit as far as their. Oh god. Yeah. Overall pitch goes. Everyone knows the Lakers want to win right now. I don't think that's confusing to anyone, but any issues that you had playing with LeBron before I think are intensified. Now, if that was something that actually you weren't a fan of because you're seeing the the scrutiny and the pressure that they're under and then as far as the Lakers organization and putting other pieces around, you know, you do need stars win this league. That's for sure. And you need multiple stars because you have a dynasty in Golden State. And we don't know what's going to happen with Kevin Durant. Whether he's gonna say or go there, but even if he does leave he's no curry and Klay Thompson, and that entire system still in place things may change a little bit. But it's not that simple anymore. You needed a full well rounded team to go around your superstars to win a championship in this league. And I don't I don't know if free agents really see that is going to be the case villagers. So much more than just the LeBron narrative. Kobe at the end, Michael Jordan at the end and LeBron at the end not everybody wants to play with the icon. Like, by the way, there was a time. When Michael Jordan, I would say this would LeBron Miami. Everybody was like how I'll play with those guys. Do you? Wade Miami, Chris Bosh and Kobe definitely there was a time during the, you know, the shack Kobe thing when guys would take a pay cut. But Michael at the end, they hated him in DC and Kobe at the end was driving people crazy and LeBron Paul George pass for Westbrook. It's don't like Paul, George didn't know, the resume a Westbrook. So I mean, I think when you become an iconic star. You know, some guys want to be the guy, and they don't wanna be beholden, and they don't want to be LeBron or Kobe Michael's valet. Runner from all intentions doesn't appear to have any interest playing with LeBron very interesting. So currently there's no more exciting player caused basketballs and dukes Zayn Williamson to his label of the second coming of LeBron and the tournaments. Miss Costa a month, but he returned for dukes. Big run through the tournament. Got MVP honors after beating Florida state in the finals, his twenty one points and five rebounds in the final game gave him Eighty-one points and thirty boards overall for the tournament. First time two thousand nine that one conference has had three number one seeds ACC, and he went through them pretty easily. No, he's great. Listen, John is any listen to when the when the kid went down with a strain in broke, his shoe. I got no problem and saying. My guess was you got a Nike you to coach K's got a relationship with Nike. He wants to make sure that's not too bad. I thought they'd probably just say, you know, what here's the thing. If Zion would a tweaked his neatest weekend. Everybody will look real bad. He didn't I'm happy for it. I like the idea of a kid that talented saying I'm not gonna give up on guys. I love basketball. I love that personally because I still. Know once in a lifetime literally experience like experience for Zion. I I would have fully supported him not playing because he is planning for his future. But I do also love it. He's playing and like I said this isn't experience you're not ever going to get again. If you're injured going into the MBA, you may have time to rehab, and then you get into your career, and you're still going a one overall, you know, it's funny. I mean, he was going to go number one. Whether we came back or not he's he is such a great player, and he's going to work really well in the NBA, don't listen anybody. He's just a baby is kids going to be just a fantastic NBA player. But I actually think he's going to get more money on the shoe deal because I think coming back it makes me like him more like I would've liked him either way. But there is something to amateurism. I know nobody wants everybody to get paid. But one of the reasons I love certain basketball players Magic Johnson loved the game. And Michael love the game. That is something to and I think it's a really cool thing that he comes back, and he's like these guys I'll play basketball to that as much because I do have my other feelings about all of that as far as what what these kids do bring to the school and the money. That's that they generate that they don't get any part of. But overall, I liked it. He's playing it's great for fans. And like I said, it's an experienced. He's never going to get again. Whether it's amateurism or not, and it's it's it's seem out there. And he's dominating. Yeah. The ratings will be up for March managed, by the way, they will be. Yeah. I mean, there's no question. This kid will literally if he's in the final four you're going to have your highest final four in a long time. And finally in the past the splashy off season moves were part of the game plan for the Cowboys this off season they're looking for ways to re-sign DeMarcus Lawrence Dak Prescott Amari Cooper, Ezekiel Elliott, and Jalen Smith among others and Steven Jones address that problem he told Sports Illustrated when you figure out how to pay the pass muster the corners. Receiver the quarterback running back across the board on the offensive line and then trying to pay a couple linebackers. That's when you have to start getting super creative, and you go out and do a deal right now. That's not officiant. You're starting to take some creative money away. That is hopefully going to help you keep Jalen hopefully, hopefully help you keep both corners, and they had a franchise tag DeMarcus Lawrence. First domino to fall Dakhla likely be next. But the Cowboys are going to have to get very creative. Although I still I still like their chances in in their division with the eagles did this off season. But we do this every year on paper. It's great. You know, there's going to be some some pressure back now on Carson Wentz again. So I overall I think the Cowboys are going to figure it out and Jerry seems to be in when now mode as he said, so that's a lot of pieces to get get. So there there's not a lot of guarantees in the NFL. And I don't think the Cowboys are guaranteed to be a playoff team last year next year. The guarantees is Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. It's going to be good every year until Patrick Mahomes is in his forties. Andrew luck and the colts. They know what they're doing New England going to be good until Brady retires. Those are my three NFL guarantees then there's a bunch of. I think it's going to happen. Dallas is in the next group of six or seven like, I think filled Elvia is going to be really good. When Carson Wentz comes back. I think the Rams as long as McBain Ghafer there. Again, win a bunch of games and Dallas Dak is good leadership. Dallas is not maybe a top three Mahomes. Kansas city. Andy Reid guarantee this good team with a bunch of good players. And then they got good players in every single unit corner. Linebacker pass rusher. Own line running back receiver a bunch of elite playwright ninety saying they're trying to find a way to keep them all their joy on the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by heard lie. He broke your heart. But you. You should absolutely be pulling for him. All explain that. Coming up next be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app, by the way, when you have a good security system. Like, SimpliSafe things feel a little better, simply safe, Colin dot com. Free shipping sixty day money back guarantee. Simply safe C O L I N dot com, by the way, Jerry Jones said over the weekend. You don't need to listen to it again. But he basically said thank you to the New York Giants for trading ode L Beckham. There's a big problem in New York right now, it's not losing Odell Beckham. If that you'll whiffed last year number two pick and he took a running back instead of Sam darnold and the New York Jets to the next ten years are going to be in playoff contention some years they'll make the playoffs some years they won't make the playoffs. But when Tom Brady retires near to the New York Jets are going to control the division because Miami didn't have a quarterback and New York's going oh attract more free agents and players than buffalo. And when Tom Brady retires Bill ballot. Check had a losing record in New England. And Cleveland without Tom Brady. And they don't have anybody in the building right now. Forget replace the should be playing catch with Tom Brady. So Sam darnold for the next ten to twelve years. The New York Jets are going to win the division or beep battling for a playoff spot. They'll be a very very improved team this year and the New York giant had a chance to get him and past and they pass because they're a fear based organization, and they don't want to get rid of ally. Manning and people in New Yorker saying well well last year, he had his highest completion percentage and he threw for forty three hundred yards, and he has his fewest interceptions in a decade and the offensive lines. No good. That's why if you're giant fan root for Odell Beckham to kick arse in Cleveland because it will be your forensic evidence that allies washed up. You know, when you do a chemistry experiment, you got allies one element. And then Baker mayfield's another element. And then you have a beaker OB Jay's net bickering ad OB Jada both elements in one's gonna fizz out and one's going to explode and if owed L Beckham and Baker Mayfield are Rockstars. And my guess is offensive -ly. They're going to be very successful that your forensic evidence. That's your told you so 'cause right now the problem, it's not losing Odell Beckham junior. It's that your organization is petrified to move off ally. Manning slower than the colts moved off Peyton Manning. He got move off legends it happening. Green Bay had happened in San Francisco. It happens. You know, you you got you got to move. I mean, Jimmy Johnson had Dan Marino the old hobbled beaten up. Dan marino. I mean, he got to be able to move off people in this sport. You know, you already through to parades for Eli don't need a third on the way out. So. So you know, you can talk about Odell Beckham. If you're a giant fan, you want that kid to go to Baker Mayfield in Cleveland and just kick. Butt fifteen TD's thousand yards bakers MVP Browns win the division because then you can go see and we're five and eleven. Because the the struggle in the building every time somebody upstairs, the giants talks. It's your out of your mind. If you think Eli doesn't have what it takes really. Well, you got to convince those people they're out of their gourd. And there's one way now because those people are stubborn Odell Beckham in Baker Mayfield hit it out of the park. They do Patrick Mahomes. You know, Travis Kelsey. They do. Randy moss. Tom brady. They just blow the blow the league up huge numbers. And that's your forensic evidence. By the way, March madness everybody's filling out their bracket years ago. I used to tell people my bracket, and then you tell me your bracket, and then I realized I don't care about your bracket. And you don't care about my bracket. But I will say this CBS real nice job on the selection show that got all the bells and whistles out our long made it straight easy to follow ratings were through the roof. Best ratings than like half a decade. I think. Dukes the best team. But I don't understand people losing sleep on seedings weakest strongest. What does it matter? You're going to have to beat or one or a two seed who cares? If you're in dukes bracket or not, do you think Michigan State Tom Izzo at this point in his career? He's not getting a raise it or not taken away a salary. He wants to win a championship. So he's a little tougher bracket. I've always said this about March madness, the NC double A pays for all of this. They pay for all the hotel rooms, they pay for all the arenas, they pay for everything. It's their wedding. They have a right. To seat people at the wedding the way they want to in. If they do a seating. If I'm paying four billion dollars for rights, and I'm NC double A and CBS, and I'm paying all this money. And the NCWA says in order for us to be able to go to these networks and get all this money. It's our wedding. We're paying for the wedding. If I'm paying for the wedding, all decide. Where people said at the wedding. That's always been my feeling on this tournament. And if they put Michigan here in a little easier than they're going to feed lose fewer games. That's not my problem. Okay. This is television. It doesn't matter. You're all still going to have to be Carolina and Duke to win. This thing you ever, right? If you're paying for the wedding to make up the seating chart, and yes, some brackets are going to be a little tougher and a little weaker, but I actually liked the idea of coming into this tournament. And everybody's saying you got hoes MIT got a chip on their shoulder. What I don't want my team to hear going into the turn of it is oh, you guys got the easiest bracket. I would rather hear man you guys got host, no respect. Michigan state. You got host. I loved that. As a coach. I don't have to motivate my players I can walk into that locker room and say, they don't think we're as good as Michigan and we'd be Michigan three times. People make way to bottom line is there's about sixteen I can win this thing. Maybe eight here. My six I think can win it Duke, Gonzaga, Michigan, Virginia, Tennessee Carolina. I think Kentucky and Michigan state are close. Do not fall in love with a team that had a great weekend. History shows lots of teams play great in their conference tournament weekend, and that's the top. And then they go into the tournament and jazz goes downhill playing great in your conference tournament has never acquainted to you'll end up in the final four. These are the sixteenth Duke, Gonzaga, Michigan Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina. I think have a chance to win six straight games Kentucky's close. Michigan states close our three next. Be sure to catch live edition of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Our three. Oh, baby. Tell I this is the hurt wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio. F one today also Sirius XM channel eighty three. Into a lot of places. We're all just like just out in the satellite world. Hope. You had a great weekend. Joy was in Sarasota, Florida at a wedding. Yes. Brandon him in sweating puck Stanley. And I was skiing with my son. So nice like, no, clouds and everything so nice. We were in different places. Rash? You're on the beach. I'm up in the mountains. It's great to have you back fifteen minutes. Former Pro Bowl wide receiver t j Hoffman's outta Bill address those Steeler accusations at you later in best for last as we move into the draft now for agencies mostly over. There's a few guys Randall Cobb a good players not signed yet. Justin, houston. Good player. Chiefs not signed yet. Most of the big stuff's done. Most of the mid range bargains are done and and best for last. We're going to talk about the ten quarterbacks going into next year. Now these rosters getting real settled. Now who face the most pressure one through ten well, it's a story out today a pretty damaging store. Of true. A former Steeler teammate is making a pretty serious accusation about big ban. The player is Josh Harris. Former Steneri says two thousand fourteen weeks seventeen we're playing the Bengals Todd. Haley called a run play with very little time left in the game. Ben wanted to kneel he rolled his eyes in the huddle. He then purposely fumbles the ball. I had to recover it at that moment. I knew what kind of person he was that would be a stench that sabotage win or lose that game. That is just not appropriate in football again in baseball fourth game of a series up by nine in your division. It's August you party too hard. You give up an at bat. I see it in basketball, tennis golf. You. Don't do that in football true or not you don't do it. Here's the thing. Lebian bell his ball Antonio Brown. His fault. Big bed has fault. Mike Tomlin has fault. Here's the thing. I don't need an Tonio Brown ABI leader. I don't need levian bell to be a leader. I just needed to be talented. But I need my quarterback to be a leader. That's not leadership. There's two great quarterbacks in the NFL. And they're both amazing and have compared him for years. Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben they're the only great first ballot hall of fame quarterback is currently playing that are called out regularly by teammates current former teammates. Here we go again with Ben and this morning, there's going to be people that defend Ben Rothlisberger. And they blame it on our people. I don't need wide receivers and running backs to be leaders. That's why I do care about the Wunderlich tests for quarterbacks and I do care about their family upbringing, and I do care if they have leadership qualities, and I took the claims against certain quarterbacks out of college screw off. Johnny manziel. Not a grownup. Baker Mayfield wore me out. That's why because this is not a position to just be talented leadership is. Is crucial. Brady's probably the best leader of all time. Not the best arm. Not the best talent Joe Montana. Russell Wilson guys. I like drew Brees. You can like big band, and you can stand behind Big, Ben. But for once again, Big, Ben and Rogers teammates are just willing to go public. I mean, listen I've worked with people that I don't love. But you'd have to be a real schmuck for me to go out and publicly hammer, you I mean, we've all worked with people. We don't like. But when you put it on paper when you stand in front of a Mike I mean for Josh Harris, kind of a nobody in the league to do that. There's just too much smoke here with Big Ben. And by the way, I get this. His teammate Josh comes out and he'd say great player but didn't connect with teammates for the record. That's the knock on Rogers. And I've seen my entire life. Great athletes who don't think a great leaders a-rod Barry Bonds Kobe Bryant, Carmelo Anthony. Big Ben, I think they're unbelievable towns. I don't think they're great leaders. I think jeeter's a great leader. Russell Wilson's a great leader. Peyton Manning's a great leader. Tom Brady's a great leader. There is a gap here. There is a difference. Don't confuse the two great talent. And great talent. And a leader jeaner was both. Case Steph curry is both Brady is both. But you can keep defending Ben Rothlisberger. But there's just way too much smoke here. And quarterback is not just about talent. You lead the class. You talk in the huddle, you lead the film session. Shame on Ben. If it's true, that's a really really awful claim. And if you look at the video. I'm not going to say, it's true. But I'm it's not untrue. That's all I'm saying when I see that video. Ownership to this. Tension is contagious. Years and years ago, I was on a plane. Guy was drunk flirting with a stewardess were thirty three thousand feet. It was uncomfortable. There was tension on the plane, and it was contagious. We were all uncomfortable. It's a skinny little tube thirty-three thousand feet, he was combustible. Tensions spreads through a family and it spreads through our room. The intense dad on vacation the unruly passenger on a flight. Russell Westbrook to me has never been a championship player because he's too rigid. And it makes everybody else tents and rigid this Saturday, Oklahoma City was hosting Golden State and Kevin Durant. Didn't play. It was a big game. It's one of those rare half dozen MBA regular season game Saturday night feels like plant thing going here, this marriage a little bit and Westbrook completely melted down. Like he doesn't the playoffs. Like y'all doesn't the fourth quarter? Like key often does against Golden State. He sort of got a technical headbutted Klay Thompson over seven it was a bad shooting night. And and you shoot poorly, generally when you're tents or you're tired and Westbrook has never tired right here was the sound from Saturday night. Got a block Westbrook. Takes a frustration foul that gets hit with a technical. And that's his sixteenth technical of the season. Which means he's going to be suspended unless they rescinded which doesn't look like that's going to be the case in this. But he's going to be suspended for their next game. Baby. It's a foul get back because you know, you know, you plan against the Golden State Warriors. Every call is not gonna go your way just the way every game is an asleep mistakes to be made across the forward play through it. He is so tightly wound when you add any little pressure to him playoffs. Warriors, fourth quarter. He unravels. I don't hate Westbrook. I hate his game. He's he's the little league dad who's always to up tight one blown call by the empire. He's into a confrontation with an empire little league game. Tensions contagious Twi Oklahoma City melts down in big games and melts down in the playoffs. He's rigid and everybody else's on pins and needles. I mean it was palpable in that game. What are you doing? I mean, listen fans media even after the game dealing with media local media people there to give you a back massage. Make you look good. It was tense. Sixteen technical is the hopes getting that when we send it so you can play Monday nights. Thanks. Were you aware that you fifteen? Question. Disappointed with yourself for picking up your sixteen next question. Again, if you can't deal with local media that heckler fan in Utah that was on him not on Westbrook. I defended him, but this is I don't hate Russell. I hate his game. Tension is contagious and any team is on in big spots. You can just see everybody clenching their teeth pins and needles. What's Ruskin ado and Saturday night, plus minus minus eighteen. Over seven on threes. Whatever that was with Klay Thompson. I just don't think he's a championship player. Just a really talented one. By the way, just got a little text here. Jordy Nelson's out there for the taking a great player of the played at like Kansas state or something then he was came into the NFL with Aaron Rodgers. He was terrific. They were like best friends. They caught him. He goes to Oakland doesn't work. He's out in the market right now. But he just text me patriots. And Jordy Nelson strong probability. Hi, that's got up. Here's a lesson for everyone out there. Don't text call during the show. Go on air have to wait until after the show is over. But didn't say who is from just a league source Jordy Nelson in New England guy is anybody ever thrown. Actually it makes perfect right? Who is that John the Seahawks? Apparently are very interesting. I didn't get that text my source. Do your sources close to see how close on the patriots down very exciting. That wasn't journalism. I'm just telling you a text from a friend. Yeah. John said the source on my phone is Bill be. I wish coming up next TJ cushman's auto. What do you make of the big bend story? I mean that is. Wow. That is like, oh, yo yo can you imagine if you would have heard that about Brady, I you'll be just like. It's really outrageous. It's outrageous. That's why lead with tonight's like what the Lord one more heard. The herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. This is Ron burgundy telling you to listen to my podcast. Here's a little something to wet your appetite right now, I'm a little terrified because I don't know what a podcast is. Let's take some calls. Caller, number one. You're on with Ron burgundy what's on your mind? Collars? No, collars. No. Because people aren't listening in realtime Shek got it. If you are listening to this and have downloaded by mistake. Please turn it off. Now, turn it off. We have some the whole crews here. Okay. All right. Okay. So if you're Taurus new horoscope is come on pull your together. You defecate was reduced to my basic ambles. Romburg any? Bailable whatever podcasts are found follow shape. Club dot com slash Collins, special offer, right now handsome discount, more you buy Maurya, save dollarshaveclub dot com slash Colin. TJ huffman's zodda over a decade in the NFL pro bowler is joining us. So the story out in big bend to me today is like John dropping where four years ago a teammate Josh Harris is claiming that during a game. Todd. Haley called a run play leading Cincinnati by ten with a minute nine ago in that big band went into the huddle enroll designs because he wanted to kneel down and he and Hayley hated each other. So Ben fumbled on purpose. Josh Harris, the guy that recovered. What do you make of that claim? We're not I heard then I read the story. I didn't think it was true. I'm like who would do that in? Then when you watch the video it's like. Yeah. He probably did do it on. I just have a hard time of understanding why despite Todd Haley like to spy Todd. Hey, you know, what you do? You just know the ball. Yeah. That's just take a knee in Todd. Haley would be like why didn't he run the plaid call and he'd say because we're up ten that's why like Todd Haley can't control Ben Rothlisberger. Unless he wants to be controlled like, Ben number one. Ben is looking out like if they recover we're probably still going to win a game. We're up to possessions with just over a minute left. But just take a knee. But these are the type of things that are talked about in the locker room that never gets out that guys talk about in. Its why rothlisburger is frowned upon with guys in the locker room in on that team. You've never been a Big Ben supporter. It's not being not being banned supporter. I just felt the way he handled the situation last year after they played the Denver Broncos any criticize AB, I thought he was wrong. And so you start to see little things come out here. And there. And you're like why is it this? Now, I see why things like this is going. These are talked about a locker room guarantee their talked about in alarm large talked about they're playing in Cincinnati has talked about on a flight back broke. Can you believe what being did can you believe that? And so that's talked about and we're not privy to this information. But the players are, you know, it's interesting. I I'd said this Aaron Rodgers about two months ago, a former teammate called out what he did in the huddle and Big Ben was called out because what he did in the huddle the Aaron and Ben to me are the same passive aggressive great talents. But it was two months ago, maybe six weeks ago or Aaron Rodgers was called out for rolling his eyes in the huddle. And now big Ben's called out for rolling his eyes in the huddle. And they're both great players. I don't think Aaron would stoop to that. But it is funny that with Bannon Aaron Rodgers they're the only two great quarterbacks in the league where I've got a half a dozen guys that have called him out. Even if you didn't like a guy too. To call a guy out in the press like that's different level disgust. Right. Have you ever called out a guy in the press when you played? No, it's unheard what? I'm the. I'm different. I'm the type of person like if I have a problem, which I'm going to go, I'm confront you. I'm going to go talk to you. And we can handle it. However, you want to handle the weekend be very civilized and very respectful 'cause that's fine. I'm going to approach you. But if you want to handle the different way, I'm fine with that as well. I would never do that. I was always a guy that I thought I could criticize guy so their face because they saw how hard I worked in. If I was wrong. I would accept okay. You know, what you're I don't know where being goes from here is he going to now be on his best behavior. Can he changed himself? Can't he try to change the narrative of how he's viewed? It's really going be awkward in interesting to see how he navigates through this. So two times last week a team in traded for or acquired a star. Receiver raiders AB Cleveland OBI, Jay. And I've often said that star receivers are like sports cars their flashy. They're fun. But when it gets cold out there, not as useful. Even Randy moss. New England is playoff game numbers were average his regular season stuff in the warmer. Weather was unbelievable. But you roll your coverage over playoffs. You take him away. It's crappy or weather you plan. Snow? You plan hail you play in win in Foxborough. So are you sure there is something about bringing a star wide receiver to a team that a quarterback feels? I've got to get in the ball. It's like when Kevin Durant doesn't play for the warriors the passing better. You don't feel like you have to have. Going Ocho was in his prime for Cincinnati. And you were there did you sometimes feel like Carson y'all most had to feel like on big plays. Yeah. Had to go to Ocho. No. It was different. Because this just go back to my situation. Cincinnati was by play call. I knew where the ball was going by coverage in. So I could look at the coverage lined up and say, oh, the boss probably gonna go here because we're one high. We're throwing a ball here. We're looking to go here too high. We're going here we had to win because the ball was coming just by coverage with that being said, it's the you go to OB Jan Cleveland. Freddie kitchens. What he's going to have to do is. When you scripture. I fifteen plays. You're going to have to get L at least two looks Jarvis Landry two to three looks even if they don't get the ball. They know by the play call this ball is designed to go to me coverage can change. That. But at least they know he's trying to get me the ball because that kind of alleviates the. The heartache the as you would say the dysfunction that you could cause because you know, they're trying to get you the ball if as long as he does add an attempts to get them the ball early weather. They get it or not they'll be okay. So Ocho if Ocho felt you were trying to get on the ball, whether he made the catch or not it appeased him. Yes. I for the most part it was Chad was going to get the ball, regardless. I mean, we're gonna look to him to get the ball in back. Then we were throwing a ball so much. Everybody was going to get an opportunity is a matter of win in his long. Once you been in the league long enough. You know Ma opportunity is gonna come but with O'Dowd air Jarvis Landry and Joe in even Calloway Calloway can play he'll be in a second year the receiver if in Cleveland he can play they got so many weapons you got Kareem hunt. You got you got Nick shove, you have so many guys that you have to get the ball to Freddie kitchens is. The standard for Cleveland is here. Now, if they don't perform what happens because everybody's they're like their Cinderella. Everybody loves them there to new sports cars, you would say and they have to perform finally you coach youth sports and you've got daughters who were division one athletes, and you're division one athlete. And so I'll just I'm kind of shocked by the number of people who are watching Zion Williamson in the media and picking apart game because I watch them. And I think oh, this is one of the easy ones. Like when you watch. Lebron? You're like, oh, yeah. That's gonna be a star. When you watch. Tiger woods. I saw him in his junior's in Portland, he played up junior. You're like I guys going to be great Bryce Harper in highschool hit a five hundred nine foot home run in highschool. It's like when I watched nine Williamson. I'm like, oh that's twenty six game in the NBA. That's an all star. What do you see pretty much on stoppable all you can do is competing against the competition that you're faced face against in. He's dominated Duke is a different team. When he plays. And when he does not play. I mean there are different team. He's dynamic. He's he's not only big. He's quick. He's agile. He passes the ball. Well, you watch some of the games like he hustled backs hard on defense. He's the difference maker if he doesn't make seven eight all star games. I'll be surprised. Thank you. I'm shocked by it. I there's we do this in the media. We watch a college kids game. And we pick it up Harkin dude at about everybody dare everybody has flaws every player that's ever played. A sport has flow wind'll every player when LeBron came into the NBA he had no low post game for like seven years. He developed one in Miami. Any by the way, he wasn't much about three point shooter. Is I four to five years in the league? That's LeBron James, Michael, Jordan. I I six years. No league didn't pass like it was not a good passer. Then started getting guys evolve. Phil Jackson had a sit down. What do you wanna do score sixty and not win or score thirty and win? Right. Like, it's amazing. How we pick apart these college kids it's like Zion. Williamson look at his size and his speed, by the way clever. You know, he's just a clever player. I I love watching. If do doesn't win will be disappointed. I'll be shocked. I I mean, they got four NBA guys how they don't win. I'll be shocked. Good senior by joy with the news. I heard on the news. This is the heard line news. The fifteen most minutes in NBA history. And he's the second amongst active MBA players trails jerk. And even though he's probably not very exciting to miss the postseason. He does think the extra time would be good for his thirty four year old body. Absolutely. I mean, I've thought about my summer is going to be and you know, it's unfortunate that we are so far out of the postseason right now. And looking like, we won't be a part of it. So obviously, the first thing that comes to mind is just take care of my body. Not played a lot of basketball played a lot of minutes over my sixteen year career. So you're not between to have a couple more months to take care of my body and refresh my mind, and my body is going to be very key going into my seventeen year. So looking forward to that. This is how I look at it. It hasn't washed over LeBron is not going to be in the playoffs. Because even though we know he's not going to be there. We haven't seen it yet. And it's going to be a different feeling with him. Not there. No question. One. No question. One to is this. Lebron because he actually is going to get some extra and much needed time off to recover and recoup after a very difficult shuffle and physically tiring year. First major injury of his career is this is kind of coming at a good time. If they don't end up winning championship, though, this is going to be looked on very differently than if they if he does take this extra time, and they come back and get a big free agent and do turn this whole thing around where championship listen, not hard to figure out. What is you know, what you see in sports? Is you see these changes like in baseball? Now, the analytic change is everybody's swinging for the fences because the analytic say strikeouts are not the end of the world. Swing for home runs. So it's changed the way. Batter's swing in baseball. The in basketball, mid range jumper out gotta shoot three's. You know in the NFL basically outside of the patriots mostly spread your offense out. Big twelve quarterbacks work a lot of college. The pros if you look at the Lakers, my biggest takeaway is they have no shooters, and it has become a shooters league. I don't think you can. That's to me. We can talk about all the elements. If Anthony Davis comes is not a shooter. I think the Lakers have a problem. I don't think they can figure out their way in one off season around it. They had Lou Williams gave him up brook. Lopez gave up those were two good shooters. I think they have a real it's not I'm not anti LeBron. I think they have a huge fundamental issue. And as we talked about earlier, they're free agent hits has changed quite a bit since before the season because they can talk about how much winning they wanna do. But like you said one free agent is not going to solve their problems. They still have an entire team. They need to make very well rounded and work around the bron-, whoever that free agent is. Yeah. So they're still out out-pizzas put together. Baker Mayfield is embracing the personality that is oh Dowell. He was visiting the brewers spring training and Phoenix and Baker with asthma. The emotion. The Dow will add to locker room. Same thing about me. You don't wanna slip and be themselves and and make ways. That's who they are. When it comes down to it that the guys in that locker room. You're you're gonna love playing with them, and I know from from saquon thrilling shepherd, very close, I I know attacking Jay is inside the locker room in his teammates. And that's the most important things. People can have their, you know, attitudes and perspective on it. But easy self also his back. Fun to be great. They're going to be great. They'll give me so much. They were interesting last year. There were great last year. I mean, they were great to watch are fun today that blown out three or four times. But we're in most games, and they were just ever just a lot of drama. They were fun to watch. I liked him. I know everybody thinks I hate Baker. But you ever does. Everybody realize I love football. And what I don't like about football is like boring football. Well, that's that's what we say. All the time. Dud is good for no one. Nobody helps. Nobody doesn't help our business. It doesn't help the fans. It doesn't help the league players helps. No one to have a team that is not only consistently boring, but also doesn't ever win like the Browns being exciting and having the potential to be good is. Lee changing, actually. This game on the board that you have to watch. They are now must watch TV absolutely joy with news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by the heard lie. So it's it's funny. I told the story several times one of the reasons I often repeat stuff is because most of you come in you listen for ten minutes. Then you go to work go to the car wash. Go, you know, you're in and out of your cars. So if I say something I'll say it more than once, and I've said multiple times Odell Beckham nine talk for about twenty minutes couple of weeks ago. Some of the stuff I'm not going to repeat some of the things he said, our our private there is a reason I kept saying don't believe the giants. He's on the trading block. There's a reason I kept saying that because he knew it. I knew it and my sources beyond Odell Beckham nuit, but it was confirmed in the twenty minute call is that you know, he knew that there were teams calling that were teams were interested in. He told me. Hey, if I move I move, I love New York. I love my teammate love the players. I love the city. I love the fans, but maybe it's good for a new environment for all of us. But you know, one of. My takeaways with Odell Beckham, it's a real thing for athletes, and I think we should all remember this is that you and I talk show host. I can do this for fifty years. Enjoy can do what she can do for fifty years and John can do what he can do maybe for twenty Ajan just wears people out. But the whole point is when you're a great athlete. You know, a football player. You got about twelve years to hit it. And when Odell Beckham broke his leg. He can't have another major injury or the chance to be an all timer is over. And so when I talked Odal my takeaway, he's a good kid. But there was an incredible sense of urgency with him that he knows his talent. He knows how good he is. He knows that the windows closing. And once he broke that ankle owed l Beck. Think of your career was twelve years. Just think of your doctor urine attorney, you're a teacher. You're a Baker your your career is twelve years. You know, you're gifted and halfway through it. You have a injury. And all of a sudden you wake up and it's like, oh crap. I got six years left to fulfil. My talent a singer a songwriter a football player, it doesn't matter. So one of my takeaways in that Odell thing that I didn't say I didn't talk about before he got traded. There was no question. There was a sense of human. I broke my ankle. I can't do that. It's over. And there's a real sense. You should appreciate that from athletes. He wants to be the greatest wide receiver of all time. He's not gonna end up there. Probably just because I mean, Jerry Rice had the benefit of jiggle Montana and Bill, and I think bakers talented, but Freddie kitchens is not Bill off. But I want the my take on it. I totally appreciated his desire to be great. He really wants to be great and that may sound selfish. But in the end, I want all my players to be great. And if I only had twelve years to do radio and halfway through it. I had surgery on my tonsil and it went wrong. And I knew about six years, I probably wouldn't want to stay with the New York Giants either. I probably want to go to a better quarterback into an organization. That's got better players in right now Cleveland has way better players than the New York Giants. So for that. I'll always defend Odell Beckham I want my stars. I can live with some ego. I want them to be aspirational. I want him to be all time. Great. Coming up. Ben Rothlisberger is going to face some real pressure this season. It's going to be different Laban's gone. Antonio Brown's gone. They were getting all the blame. I think he'll be incredibly inspired this year. But coming up next the ten quarterbacks in the NFL and best for last who have an extra layer of pressure coming up this year in it's interesting. When you go down the list of guys why they face certain pressures. That's coming up. One more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on-demand whenever you like us Vegas Golden Knights battle the shark tonight. Discover card key matchup. Learn more discover dot com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. Even if you're not a discover customer. Get your free credit score card today. Doug, Gottlieb, Cotino Mobely, TJ horsemen zodda were calling was right or call. Was wrong on a Monday. Well, the Big Ben story today somebody claiming four years ago that he fumbled intentionally during a game despite the offensive coordinators pretty damning to say, the least kind of jaw dropping claim don't think I've ever heard that have go back to like the fifties and sixties and Paul Hornung or you know, that whole Green Bay thing guy suspended just odd. But I thought our best to last today. There are ten quarterbacks for different reasons that are going to face real scrutiny this year beyond just winning game. So let's go our best for last after almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet quit home. Not on his cowherd. It's the best for last in extending ascending order of pressure this year, number ten. Lamar Jackson number ten. Okay. Joe? Flacco is gone, bro. Your franchise. Also, he only threw for over two hundred yards once two hundred and. Four yards. So this league is not about just throwing on third down. It's the ability to throw when everybody knows you're throwing on first down. Everybody's got a year a tape on the mar an off season to digest a very contrarian run first offense. Baltimore likes them. But we'll find out more about Lamar Jackson number ten number. Nice. Similarly, Mitch Trubisky. I've compared him off until Lamar never going to be a great thrower. I felt when Chicago lost that playoff game. There was a palpable sense. That Matt Nagy had done everything he possibly could smoke and mirrors to elevate. Mitch trubisky. Who is limited arm talent. He's entering his third season. So's Patrick Mahomes into Shawn Watson. And they they are caring teams. Mitch trubisky. Nine number eight Dak Prescott. Listen, I'd have him higher on the pressure list. But jerry. Likes him. It's a contract year. Colby's leaves gone offensive lines not as dominant as it was. They still need tight end help. He's got a new offense coordinator Callan more and a new quarterback coach John kitten not too much pressure though because Jerry loves him. Jerry's gonna sign him. It's all now about the number. Number seven. Jameis Winston really talented. Knucklehead who's always getting in trouble collagen pro nice arm. Good size move a little. Bruce Arians now is his coach Bruce Arians coach. Carson Palmer worked big Bennett work Peyton Manning work than Andrew luck everywhere. Bruce Arians goes quarterbacks have great years. Okay. So now he's got Jameis Winston. And this is a bucks offense. There's all sorts of players here. Mike Evans is a stud. You don't watch him play a lot because he pays for plays for Tampa. But I think there's I think there's real pressure on Jameis Winston if he can't work with Bruce, Arians and tear it up. They're going to move off him because he's just had too many incidents off the field number six Eric car. I'm not sure Gruden loves him. I like him. I'm not sure Jon Gruden now. You've got an Tonio Brown raiders went four and twelve. Now, the good news for him. He completed sixty nine percent of his throws he and Gruden for all the complaining. We're actually pretty good together. Last year. He had over four thousand passing yards sixty nine percent completions. But there is a sense now. Okay. I gotcha. Antonio brown. I gotcha. Another receiver from the chargers. I'm Jon Gruden view. Want to be a franchise guy. You got to light it up a little. I've said I think Derek Carr is very similar to Tony Romo. Probably not a hall of fame talent. But there are days when he's really good. And there's no way in the world. I'd trade him. There's no way in the world. They're not a guy in college. That has good as him that I see next couple of years number five. Emmy Garoppolo first of all he's been hurt twice. So one more injury. And you got to be honest about this Kyle Shanahan, and John Lynch, you're going to have a meeting, and they're going to be thinking that we picked the wrong guy. He's in year two of a massive contract. And last year he got paid didn't play. So the downside to making all that money. Five years one hundred and thirty eight million dollars. Is you got to win games? Forced I like him. I think he's I think he's a really talented guy. In fact, I think this is what the bears would. Hope Mitch Trubisky is but he's not Garoppolo got a real arm. And I and I said couple years ago if the patriots would have moved up Brady, I would have totally understood it, but there's some pressure on this, dude. He's getting paid a fortune and he can't stay on the field. Number four, Kirk cousins second year of a three year eighty four million dollar deal. Chicago bears. Now have a better roster. The Green Bay Packers have massively elevated their defensive team in free agency and Kirk to win big games. I mean, Kirk is five and thirteen in primetime games like Kirk. We love you. And it's funny. You know, Kirk is know kind of classic guy. Oh, you win a bunch of games with curve. You may be able to even win your division with Kirk. But when you're paying a guy eighty four million dollars to that position. It's not about winning your division. You got to put you got to play off winds up. You got to win those big TV games. A lot of pressure on him number four number three Rogers. He's thirty five. He's the best quarterback talent. Maybe last seven or eight years, Patrick Mahomes. Now, maybe the next Aaron, but I think Aaron's the highest paid player in the game now, and with that means you can't pay for a lot of other things. But the Packers did a. Very good job to elevate. Their defense in free agency. Now, they weren't didn't spend a fortune, but Preston Smith take good good player surprise, Washington. Let him go got a new head coach Matla Fluor. And there's listen when you get the coach run out of town. And let's be on us. That's what it felt like well, the downside of that is if this doesn't work if they finished second or third now has point at the quarterback and not the coach number two. I love Carson Wentz. But there's a reality. He's been called out. My teammates. He went five and six the eagles went five and six with wins and five and two with foale's and the stories that came out is Nick was more coach -able and more adaptable to coaching went his a super town. He's also been hurt twice. So you get into that thing with he and Garoppolo if you get hurt a third time, I'm sitting there if I'm Howie Roseman. I got draft another quarterback. I mean, you just can't put your franchise. And I and I think went is going to be a home run. I think he's going to end up. He and Patrick Mahomes are the two most talented young quarterbacks to me Patrick in the AFC Carson in the NFC. The differences Mahomes hasn't been hurt and Mahomes got to the NFC championship Mahomes. Absolutely elevates is teammates to this point. We don't know. If Carson Wentz does number one has to be Ben, man. Just just too much smoke too many stories purposeful fumble, AB Latvian bell. Mike Tomlin this this. By the way, is his last year the contract, he'll be an unrestricted free agent after that now, I'm not I'm not saying they would move off in because I think the Rooney's hold him in pretty high esteem. But you you do get to a point with big band that it starts to become kind of his legacy. Like, I always try to think what would be saying twenty years from now will you be saying this? Yeah. Ben won a Super Bowl is just so much drama. And the reason he's not blank blank blank. This was a lousy leader. Now, Ben can change that this year. If Ben has a great year, and then you're like. May maybe those stories that wasn't really that fumble was NO now. But if he has another bad year he starts getting defined by the bad stuff and not the Super Bowl. And I think that's where Big Ben is at Karsh opping can be confusing. Here's our list, by the way, Ben wench Rogers cousins Garoppolo car James Dak Mitch Trubisky. Lamar to me that the facing by the way. Did you notice who I didn't get Baker? I don't think he faces any pressure. Baker was very good as a rookie. Right. It's cleveland. Right. I don't think there's any question. They'll win games this year. You can argue it to declining division. I could have easily put a ton of pressure on Baker Mayfield. But I thought Baker had a very very good rookie year it surpassed expectations. And he's well liked. He is over achieved. If Baker came out, and they went let's just say nine and seven he couldn't really clobber them. Could you we did the committee honest about this Cleveland finished in third. Can we stop thinking Odell Beckham makes them the patriots? Well, I don't think anything's. They make in that. He makes them the patriots. But I definitely think there's added pressure on. All right. So you do see I I would I would not Kirk down a few Kirk cousins. Yeah. And I would probably take Mitch out as well. But I think Baker definitely has. Is at the very least expectation what's a new leaf. Maybe I was trying to be fair. The new me fair that can't be true. Because I went after Westbrook today. Yeah. That's kenyon. Martin tomorrow NFL division predictions post free agency. I'll I'll tell you who I think's gonna want all the divisions tomorrow post free agency car shopping. It's confusing dealer price list price, invoice. Lot of terms. Here's what's not confusing. Save three grand on average off M S R P. Yeah. So I I'm watching that Laker Nick thing. And I'm watching all that Walt Frazier stuff, man. My two takeaways from the weekend, are I would have never guessed ever that it would have been this bad for LeBron. It is a complete and utter lost season. It's Andrew locks law season. It's shocking yesterday Walt Frazier took shots at LeBron being at the end of the bench, a legend taken on a legend. Listen. Would you do to face the NBA? I think you should be more part of your team, folks. No matter what is going on in the public. You've got us be a part of the team have in locker room. You're not, but you have to prove that type of togetherness in public, folks. And right now, we see doesn't really care. I think that's a little unfair. He's talking to Tyson Chandler and a Laker trainer. I don't think that's fair. Some I will say this Cotino Mobely said this some of these old guys forget they were young. You know what I mean? You know, what I mean is like I love Charles Barkley. But it's like man you guys. How can you leave a good team? Well, come on Charleston. How can you force your way into a trade camman, Charles? I love you. But you kind of did that before good stuff speak for yourself as around the corner. 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 2

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 2

"Pow, boom, booth booth. Fifth breath Zakho Dane. Happy birthday, the great Adam west would have been ninety today. What have ninety years old? Yes. I'm wearing Batman socks right now. So that was just weird. You didn't wear that because of his birthday just wore it because you were just Jesse. That is actually true. Yes. And then I found out it was his birthday, and I realized maybe I'm Batman, maybe. I guess there's always be Robin, no, you can't be my ward. Youthful ward. Adam west would be ninety years. Oh, if he was alive today and he had a birthday is brought to you by land Jaguar, Land Rover, Newport Beach off the Seventy-three towards the sea, visit Land Rover, Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover, above and beyond. They don't even have paper front of me. You gotta. Thanks a lot. Great producer. I was really good the that version of Batman was my introduction to Batman. Every time you saw the other version of Batman, the dark Knight and all the later additions, it's like, well, this isn't what I thought it was the cartoon version. The camp version versions were kinda campy. Yeah, but then then dark. Yeah, then it went sinister. Yeah, then then it got good. Right? Exactly. All right. So the Steelers have not one game. The Steelers are one and one, but they've been. They had a tie to the Cleveland Browns. They lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and all of a sudden they've got problems not only Levy on bell. Isn't there? Not only is Terry Bradshaw saying what he's saying. But in Tonio Brown did not come into the facility on Monday. Here's head coach, Mike Tomlin talking about AB. He was not. No, I'm looking forward to visiting with him today and discussing that some other things I'm not going to get into the details of why he wasn't hero, what? Well he was excused in all of those things. Only those things in house. I stand sometimes against him negatively. You know, we lost football game. There was some negative exchanges on the sideline. Frustration of societas would not playing well and that winning understand all that is operatives for us to respond to particularly early forces of the year to utilize negative experiences and things that occur to educate our team disappointing the journey. So it becomes a non factor. We move forward that gentlemen approach that we take in nine football related things such as social media, decorum, etc. So hopefully it'll be last time I'll be discussing things such as that in this that. So that's Mike Tomlin talking. Discussing social media, negative reactions losing wall is that is that was that what I got? No biggie saying just whole AB incident and all the drama being. That's what he's saying. So they're, they're sure feels like there's something to see here. There's a whole bunch of stuff going on there. It got to the point where he had to address it, then Antonio Brown was not excused. Is there something to see. Key. This is your well. If Roz remember and maybe you to Elsie Travis was not acquired quite yet. The Goshi we were in the makings of acquiring him quietly. Working back channels? Yes. If you remember what I said when Todd Haley was let go. Oh, yeah. Because I had him on my fantasy team and you gave me some room news. I kind of knew there was going to be. It was going to be problematic when Todd Haley was fired as their office coordinator, that there would be some issues coming alone within Tonio Brian. I just didn't think that he Tony Brown not Antonio Bryant ex-cowboy that. He would skip out on film meeting all. I didn't know that part. That's frustration as far as exchange on the sideline with the offense coordinator, I could've. I could've filed with Vegas and it was a bad thing on there. I made a billion dollars by now. EM set at all at looking on the other side to his left, and that other receiver that second year man doodoo Smith getting off every game, getting targets, it could be. It could be a little frustrating for guy who thinks that the passing game should go through him. And then all of a sudden you have a second year guy who the office coordinator likes, who's trying to make sure he gets his touches and ignoring Antonio Brown. The offense goes to end Tonio Brown, the pasture, his should always. But what happens any situations is if you don't, if you ever remember me saying, if you don't have an office, a coordinated, understand the individual player that they have and what they're how dynamic player is an individual matchups. This new office coordinator to me seems like he's about skiing. Because guess when he's trying to do, he's trying to get another job. He wants to be, hey coat. He wants the credit. He wants to look at my offense a system. It's great. I'm going to get off him touch. Over here opposed to a guy like Todd Haley who they had who would say that dues bad and you're really good. We getting ready to light his ass up. That guy's bad. You're good. That is. So that's the coordinating situation. And that's why Antonio Brown had what journalists like to call a meltdown on the sidelines decided. Headline thing doesn't matter to me. I don't get the sideline note down on the offense -ociety. It should have been the defense freaking out because he's second year. Quarterback has gone in and through six frigging touchdowns against you. You gave a forty two points to a second year QB and sixty scored thirty seven points, but that's not that's enough to win football game. But that's not sexy. Sexy part is watching an Tonio Brown, right? Check the offense coordinator. Sideline goes on and every single game every single Sunday on every single Denny. The National Football League. Sometimes the cameras catch it is sometimes it cameras don't because Brady screaming on the sidelines will you know. Yeah. Well, you know. Fired up? Yeah, he's fire. He's a fire. He's he's rally headed to guess, competitive the Antonio Brown sideline situation, whatever I'd it doesn't hit me at all, but what does hit me is all of it and we kind of went through yesterday to bell. Still not there. You're talking about Ben Berger have in his issues with the backup quarterback is e. n. or is he Ataman retire? My not every talking about the Tonio Brown missing a day of work. You're talking about a team that hasn't won a game, including having played against Cleveland talking crazy about my tires in Metairie Bradshaw rash. I'm not taking Terri. I'll take some other guys not taking Terry. All of this comes up to a team that is in the playoffs more or less every year contends for Super Bowls regularly far more regularly than most organizations that has no head coach turnover. Typically talking to three guys at fifty years. This is incredibly unsteady like the the amount of noise and smoke that's coming out of that building. There's definitely something there. Well, I think we're seeing is the end of the guard in terms of not just in the NFL just across the board. This is a new generation of athletes and the the way that you go about telling guys what they cannot say even goes down into college rings and you look at some of the comments. Jimmy Hart said about your Alabama when they were making the switch at QB back in the day. Guy's never talked like that. Well, everyone except for t-shirt. Never talk like that. But now guys through social media or just do their own confidence are filling, they can express themselves within the confines of a franchise. And so no, it hasn't been like the Steelers of owed the Terry Bradshaw even the cowards. No, it's not like that. But neither of the athletes, neither are that neither of the access to the law came alone too. Early your head. Could you a minute your fault maybe started in you would like. Don't blame me this. Oh, don't blame me for this because they blame me for the diva wire receiver. Yeah, they blame me for for for tearing up the bucks just don't know more. More Ryan Clark thinks that he's got a reason for why it's not working. They're falling apart. This team isn't what it used to be. Let's just talk about the people in the locker room. Think about leadership. You know, there's no more James Ferrier's. There's no more Hines, Ward's people that put the team. I now, it's a team in a group of individuals. You see that from the Levy on Bill situation where he doesn't show up, but yet there are people in the locker room speaking about his money, talking about his contracts, not supporting him in the sense that this is a game that you have to. You have a very short time to get your money and you're going to speak out against that man. Now you have a wire receiver in Tonio Brown, who was more concerned with south more concerned about his accolades, more concerned about his touches, then a team that is in trouble. Are you with office coordinator, Randy Fichtner and then not showing up on Monday. So Ryan Clark saying it's a lack of leadership that there's nobody in there that's taking control of the situation that everybody's on their veal shot have been Rothlisberger. I wanna say, Idia shot his Tomlin. They're going to say Tom. Not in that, say the locker room coaches don't come in the locker room, right? They don't. They. Deconstruct when somebody says there's problems in the locker room and there's lack of leadership in the locker room that's directed at the players. Didn't you hear him? Say James vary, no, no war. That's the players they don't coach. So the players control their locker room environment when a coaching staff is in disarray. That's the head coach. When a head coach is allowing his coordinators to get into trouble. Things come up off the field on that. That's the head coach. When this problem urban Meyer head coaches issues, not control. Zac Smith has nothing to do with the players in locker room, so I totally get what he's saying. There l. z. being rafters burger where you at man? Yeah, like thirty six years. The locker room. Fifteen years rothlisburger has always seemed to have been separate from his team like the never mind his stuff that Ben Rothlisberger has always felt like he was not. One of them like he's always been separate because of all the things that he's had going on that when he went through all of his issues, the Steelers weren't rallying around what it was more. His accused of sexual assault, which which time exactly which time dancing around. We wanna get sexual assaults. You have multiple incidents. People have accused of sexual assault, and no one was rallying to his defense and always felt like he was on his own did for he was on his own with that. That is for sure. But I would say that when people outside of talking about lack of leadership in the locker room, if you have a thirty six year quarterback, that's been there for fifteen years. That's about you to Super Bowl. Champ two, I was right there are troubles in the streets. Hey, Travis fellas. I'm flying over. I just finished a Gordon south central LA nothing there all the way through the Pomona to sixty freeway back up for two hours at the west. I six. Oh five. In his back up to north gallery, if you're looking to get into downtown LA your sir there. If you're coming from diamond bar, walnut creek area, drive avenue, north ticky word for it. Well, well, well, walnut creek, walnut creek, the northern California. Bet away for the pirates. Your helicopter you might becoming in promoted coming from diamond bar walnut take Abner to the ten freeway going west is my if you're further out, you know, take fifty seven, whereas the pirate booty to the fifty seven to ten west. If you don't stop touching me in his helicopter, I'm going to elbow. You don't use my do that either. I don't want folks thinking I'm up. They're doing that. I'm on the grind here. And on the car for up to two hours on the right shoulder sixty Pomona freeway at the six zero five backed up to in our galaxy. I remember if you're coming from diamond bar walnut, Zeus take those ads north to the ten freeway going west. Those are. Two fifty seven to the kid west. They're going to get everybody in trouble. All right. Be say they're driving. I'll be back in the studio and like seconds as anybody I know worship going have. I mean, I love Zeus avenue. I'm a needed many, my Uber, you take this guy personally. Walnut creek and creeks in northern California. A myth. It's always say, well, on the creek. Crease it's it's the six. Oh, five sixty six. Oh five is big accident backed up for two hours. Overlooking everything. And if you wanna go, you get off on zoos. Okay, ten west. Okay. Take that over and you keep coming down into downtown LA individually, national pirate day. Dodgers game and half when you're in the copter because they're always touching me laughing and close quarter. The dodgers are game up only a game and a half with only go. Dave Roberts has a silver lining here. What it is that's coming up next, right this way, please. Thank you the right lane kids in the left lane. Please. Of the boat in and out of the boat, no flash for tiger fee. No. Been there times. I got three kids, of course. Please. Thank you. Keep the lines moving right here. How many have you have? Four. Okay. You guys second number four? Yeah. Oh, yeah. National pirate day. Oh, that. Who's your favorite? My favorite pirate and Bill Matlock. Basically. Oh, remember Kober. Dave Parker Parker on over. We'll start Long. John silver, who's a real Long, John silver, captain hook member. The restaurant, though Long, John silver, everything was deep fried and taste the same. I fried fish. Captain. Enjoy four Hayes. Yeah. Alcohol hit up a pole. I'm, I'm gonna. Take Jorges. Pick. I'm going captain Morgan. Yeah, that's one of those kind of drinks that you maybe or introduced to drinking with the captain and cope, which you rea- dress later still pretty good. I, I drink too. To promotional deal for captain Morgan, Jason seahorn several years ago. So we had to do it was this whole thing we had to do the captain Morgan polls with the leg up with a leg up. I'm like, they're paying us to do this. It was the people. I mean, it's like I, I didn't realize drink was as popular during very popular and it's it's not terrible. No, no. What do you put in coke? Cocoa strict with rocks, raw shed to put up a poll new polls. Any more. We do. David pirate. Y'all poll. Broads charge of porn. All the way talking about. I like it better when you don't whisper it. That's that good still. It's. There's worse when you do it. All right. Dodgers win last night and the plan that we've all I think been looking for took place last night. Clayton Kershaw was not at his best, but still pitched seven innings. Walked five guys in the process gave up a couple of runs, but battled through the whole thing, hands it off the Kenta my ADA who was a lights out who handed to kenley Jansen who is despite the leadoff guy getting on very, very solid, a solid from kenley the get a walk off home run from Chris Taylor in the tenth inning Tutu, venos- slider. Fail. Wound, the magic. Once again, Chris Taylor, not as big this years. He was last year, but in the postseason had two big hits and the dodgers are tuning for another magical run. If it's a magical run, that's courtesy of ESPN radio, but it was a huge win, gives them a game and a half leading the division. They're guaranteed to have the Rockies leave Los Angeles, the dodgers the division lead, they're getting big hits. They're able to manufacture runs. They're able to hit their home, runs the pitching starting pitching. The middle relief in the back in relief was all good. The plan that hasn't come together. A lot came together last night. Well, I think if you go back to last year, maybe it was a year before the dodgers all of a sudden they started winning these games in this type of fashion. Every time you look up, it was a, it was a ninth inning, walk off. It was something going on in a tenth. Any, you know you look up and this is what they were doing on a consistent basis ninety and night out. They were winning games in in. So it could be. A magical moment. Again, even though the the record does set necessarily indicate that is a magical run, but based on the small little window that's left these last nine or so games, they could just run these off. I mean, that's certainly the way that they've been playing. As you said earlier, they've beaten the Colorado Rockies five of the last six trips in six tries better yet. They got one more tonight and I'm betting that they probably sweep them while they Walker bueller tonight in he's, I would argue their best pitcher at this point and maybe Kershaw by reputation, certainly their best guy, but by stuff, I still think it's bueller. But the magical part implies to me that they're somehow not supposed to be here. They are supposed to be here and they're finally where they're supposed to be. It's on top of the division. Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't say the Golden State Warriors when a magical run, you wouldn't say the people showing if the Golden State Warriors are in third place down the stretch and all of a sudden it looks like they're not gonna make the playoffs because of three weeks ago look like dodges couldn't like, where were they at? Now? It turns into a magical. Run because of way they were three, three weeks ago, if that was the case with goes, stay warriors toward indices and all of a sudden they got hot, he will turn into a magical. I don't think you would call a magic run. You would say they findings showed up because you have a certain expectation because of the talent that they have because of winning that you're Spinney and because have they've been doing pass consecutive seasons, but does those expectations go away at some point in the season when they're not living up to those expectations when it went all of a sudden in looks bleak in good question. I the, of course, I think that when you are the highest payroll in baseball, when you have the most talented roster that I don't know if you can never be on a magical run when you're supposed to be or even if it comes even if it happens late in the season. I if I'm supposed to be here. Right? You're supposed to be here. Finally around. To be Matt. Kemp is on a magical run. Yes, that's Muncie on emphatical. Monessen only magical run. Why? Because he's doing things running spitting last season. Cody Bellinger was when the magical run, but the team was not on a magical run. The team is doing what he was constructed to do to me. Magical runs to get something unexpected from an unexpected source that leads you to a place you didn't anticipate going. Something's could be magical when you get something that's unexpected. Why. Are you going with this. Expect. That was a magical run into this magical wrong. That is expected. Is there a pill run that I'm on. Is there is. Dry when miss Tracy Jordan, Tracy on the morning show what's going on. Guys, hey, how you doing? I'm good. I'm not. That's my nickname buddy. No. I miss KARN. It's let you boys, don't. You got a little bit wrong. It's not national day. What it is international talk like a para day. The international, our. Producer. Right. That's right with the with the pirates. Y'all be keelhauled. So like this for the fun of it though, who's your favorite pirate? Jack Sparrow. Yes, johnny. Fire favorite subjects in school. Booty. I let it gives another one. Oh, geez. No, that's enough because. Jokes from. Sorry. What did you say where most pirates really from where I can saw. Keep going, keep going. I can't keep going. I'm driving new work you. Thank you. Boys, tracy. What's the pirates favorite actor and. Sports senigon. Grew up with Willis's little brother. I love it. Are. Here you go. What's baseball players? Favour stack e r. Rolling. Michael thinks is our best show ever the who's moving shaken keys week three power rankings are the Rams still at the top. That's coming up next see Travis, which you realize realize that if I don't say something, nothing's going to happen waiting for me again, this conversation there waiting for me to start even where he was looking at you like. My side, but even he was like, oh, this is your lane l z because it's sesame. She the the, the tweet key right yesterday. As from a sesame workshop workshop, as we have always said, Bernie Bernier best friends, they were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves. Even though they are identified as male characters and possess many human traits and characteristics they remain puppets, do not have a sexual orientation. So they're just friends. They're not lovers. MS piggies a puppet. She's got. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something about, I'm fine, you know, love love, man, love it, and I'm into it, but there was never a parent you inter. They took bass together and Bert always always came home mad. Like, why don't you clean the house? I'm sorry. There. Okay. Look, there's. There's a wreck. Time the baffler game. Sting, then sharing a bath is a tough one overcome that. That was my best friend with my brother. Kids because Burt had a job. He was. Wording naked back? Like with my brother when we were. Sesame Street wouldn't free. They had that was that was a gated community. They had high rent there, man. So you mean when you have you ever share bass threes. You know, they're not is bath with with with never, never do not get an ice bath. With my friends. You've never ever got into the ice. We've all seen those pictures with a healthy there. One man tubs never. Because he played professional. Shower, take a shower with the mayor, but that's where stopped doing anytime. We'll take a shower with fifty three. I'm big enough. If you that. I got an a little bitty one man to your Thursday. KOMO dupe it, tiny. They're one meant I have small. I've seen plenty of pictures. Pictures right now. I could go back page and find them less. Let's not. Let's do your power rankings for week. Three of the NFL season will travel and Elsie. There was a lot of movement and we to the NFL power rankings. I must say there is so do sales. I told you this pointy arro- anyway to tonight's dub my power. This week in week, two's NFL power rankings is interesting because a week ago, I would've vision having either one of these teams in a power ranking, but I'm gonna give them a small itchy at number ten last week. It was a tie with the jets in Redskins. Both of them kinda just went out the way, but I got two teams in their number course. You again the Miami Dolphins too in a Tampa Bay Buccaneers to Tampa Bay ten because at the end of the day, that's gonna disappear passing. All right now, the Miami Dolphins is gonna stay the same. It was a fluky kind of win for him. I look at the situation, Jamie Swiss. It will get his job back because you have to Jackson has too much money and him in a number one overall, pick. This thing temple will not continue to Shawn Watson key. I want you to listen to this show and watching the he wants Ryan Fitzpatrick, stay in their this on Jack's Sean Jackson. I'm sorry. Yes to Sean Jackson plan on fire right now. You know the way team is ready by item and just playing lights out football, you. You have to kind of honor edge off saying, no, you can't take the house fire right now. It's like NBA general used to play Jimmy, John, whoever it got that high fire, shoot, man. So it's not much, but I'm sure he'll Dirk coach monkey and God's medicine called short of, you know, little stale, fires, fires out. He wants fit. Yeah, I understand. I understand. I understand what he wants, but he ain't gonna get what he wants. Is the Carolina Panthers. I had the chiefs at nine, but the chiefs have moved into a place that a lot of people aren't going to be happy with the chiefs are now moving up. The Panthers are moving back, even though they lost that game that Lanta they've always struggled in Atlanta, but I still feel like Carolina could get on board visual game on the road visual game on the road, and they're one of the better teams in the NFL. So I got them at number nine number eight. Now I've been doing this three years now that never ever once had to Chicago Bears in a power ranking. Bears and the power ranking. They are team. I think defensively or one of the top five defensive units, if not top three defensive units in all of the National Football League there number three, Qissan I have some breaking news. Picture here. In a nice. Another man actually. Can you explain BCC's. We'll talk about that. The internet always has receipt. Later who was number eight. Number eight was just calbears bears at number eight. Number seven. Number seven, or the New Orleans Saints that were once upon a time. Number number eight, they move up one slot because they turn into. I think that turning it on now. He could start to see them kind of jail, although the defense needs to continue to get better. I think when you looked at that loss against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers everybody was in shock, but I think they're over that now a catastrophically bad day from the Cleveland kicker to win that game. Yes, yes. Yeah, that's true. But but but Cleveland is a better team than it's been in the past six. Six is the Green Bay Packers at number six. They were for a week ago. I'm moving back to slots just because you know they can stay still wanna top teams, but it was such a air Rogers, comeback and his leg, and he needs to do this where Minnesota at some point time seemed like they had a commanding lead into. A-rod call five. You worried about his knee? No, no, no. Just look like he's moving great. You excuse the Steelers because of the bad kicking game. Stay me thing. Knows it Steelers, right, Steve. What's that Cleveland? Right. Well, Cleveland lost the game New Orleans because of their kick kick because kick yet Green Bay vase because their kicker to, they got to interrupt your Minnesota lost because. Place them with better kickers. All right. All right. Five. Five. At a Denver Broncos. The undefeated. Denver Broncos are number five. I liked defense like their defense guys like them all that much because a case keenum and you just can I the reason why I don't like him Oakland and Seattle. Those are the two teams. They've Oakland in bad Oakland team at Oakland to Hannah and trying to figure out Seattle team. That. Dreadful. Can you ran for mayor Seattle, you win in a landslide. This is my powering once again, four number four of the Minnesota Vikings, the Minnesota Vikings are number four. They went out and got Don Bailey. I think Bailey is one of the Dan Bailey. Dan notice Don baby just seems. Sports works in industry. Is that right? Yeah, maybe that's what it is, but they went out and got Dan Bailey after cutting their fifth round, pick kicker because that was the thing to do. He he missed field said, when asked, why made the change? Did you see the game? Did you see. Sort of? I number four. The Vikings are number four. Number three, the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes. Flying scoring six touchdown throwing up six spots, high flying scoring six Tex down throwing woo. I didn't mean to spit that you like the second most points in the, they got one more than anybody else. So you got sixty five and they got by by that man. Dodgers would be ahead of their. Different. The can't see chiefs or at number three with a cheese stay at number three. I don't know. But as of right now, they're certainly headed in the right direction number two or the Jacksonville Bortles Jaguars. They went out there and prove to me that they could handle good top notch business when they took care of New England and home in Blake, Bortles play phenomenon. Tom Brady, yeah, he did. You know? So by him though, in a game that game got tight for a minute, and then Jacksonville took care of it, but do you buy him in down in that situation there say they're down by four points, two minutes to go and they gotta drive the field. Blake Bortles has to do that. You buy starting in those type of moments like against the New England, Patriots somehow turn the switch on certain players. This can beat at magical moment for guy. I remember Vinny Testaverde with me with the New York Jets and in nineteen ninety eight. Everybody sitting there on got Vinnie, okay. Well, big deal. But then all of a sudden vide- had a van, a resurgence in his career in kind of the rest was history. This could beat that moment for guy like Blake Bortles. And then obviously, number one or the undefeated potential Super Bowl champion in the Los Angeles Rams are clearly on both sides of the ball, including special teams. Better than most teams have you have four? You have the saints ahead of the bucks? Yeah, I can't. Even though they already played, don't matter then he got in college, football voter, no, I'm not into Ryan. Fitzpatrick man. Why can't he have Vinny Testaverde. He doesn't have later Momeni more. You go give him late resurgence net. He didn't had like seven of them how many more you go. Here's Patrick. Mahomes ten touchdowns this guy got eight. These NFL right now and yours. He's feeling the idea of Ryan Fitzpatrick is is fun, but keys keys, we may. We know exactly what this is going to be. We know exactly what it's going to be. We have faith in Blake, Bortles Katie me. I'm more. Fate than Blake Bortles. I have faith in the Jacksonville Jaguars in the defensive unit in Linnet for net. That's what I have faith in Roger. We're gonna go to the internet though. Successfully. So yes. Today is Wednesday. So you know what that means? Right. Elsie is after Tuesday that and it's hump day. Speaking of the rail terms, he's. The Rams are. That's right. We have hump day wins day giveaway ticket day, all kinds of stuff day. That's why we're giving away Rams tickets every hour. So here's your chance this hour to win Rams versus the chargers this Sunday. Here's how you can win. I'm listening. What breaking Sesame Street news did we give you. Seven caller, tell the breaking Sesame Street news that we dropped here? No, not Keyshawn in the bath. No, we got another one. So keep listening from our chances to win. We'll be doing more. We're gonna be doing some shots later, but this is hope day Wednesday Rams to pass the eight seven, seven, seven, ten ESPN eight seven, seven, seven, three, seven, seven, six. If you know the question, the Sesame Street question answer gives a call. I got a chance to win some tickets Rams and charges the Lakers open camp. Next week. Lonzo is not cleared for full-contact. We'll get into it. Next. It's morning show Keyshawn hills and Travis. Why do we keep playing in sync? You know why. The t shirt and everything for you for me. Not wear a birthday gift for me today. Happy birthday. Nobody has for you. Chris. Number number. Several be taking the shot. Say singer. Shot still hasn't said happy birthday to me. I don't know why mad at me or something. That's it. That just warmed up Chris paper. That'd be free. Yes. Prey on your Phillies compla- on knows. Keila tequila. Shot. When are we all take a bath like Bernie. I told you I don't take baths dues, you were getting treatment that wasn't a bad that was treatment, right? I remember that. All right. You got. Winter our contest. Let's go to Long Beach. And what is it? It's Jacob, Jacob. Good morning. How are you? Hey, good morning. I'm doing great. How about good? So the answer to the question of the breaking Sesame Street news is. They are the best of friends, and that's it. Yeah, that according to the Sesame Street folks, bathrooms, your best friend. It depends is. He's looking whatever you whatever you need, you need ice put ice in the term man. Well, we don't. We don't judge over here. Congratulations. Jacob. You go to see the Rams and the chargers on Sunday. Good job. Thank you very, very uncomfortable position to be right there that ice bath pitcher of with me. Well, it's comparable position because I say it. I've never done that before and yes, I guess you have all the key. Let me try the same. There's I was thinking you thinking the same thing I was which those silver OJ overnight with the motor behind. Makes you being because we have so many players as that's training camp that looks like one of those tubs you buy toys r. us yard. Yeah, exactly. Exactly what it is. Yeah. We're in South Carolina in training camp when I'm with the Carolina Panthers and you know ninety something player. So there's not enough. There's not enough. Yes. So we all I know is I said, I've seen pictures of guys. They can together. You guys looked at me like gay porn movie that I saw. And I was like, no, I'm talking about professional athletes, and then the internet as always have clothes may pay tees off Lonzo and the Lakers are getting ready to open up camp next week. That's good. Lonzo is going to be with the team, but he's not clear for full-contact. Here's what Luke Walton said. We're starting to ease them into it again, play some one on one, things like that, half court stuff, but with the player of his ability and how much he's going to be a part of our future. The conversation is take as much time as you need to make sure he's healthy. We won't rush him back at all and philosophically, yeah, you don't wanna rushing back. You want to make sure he's one hundred percent. You wanna make sure that he's ready to go for the games that matter not necessarily the preseason and whatnot, but for me, at least the the issue that's number one. One on lonzo's need to improve list is availability health, being able to play more games. He missed more than thirty games last year, which is a ton for a rookie player. The we're starting off from behind where he can't go full speed, full contact right out of the gate. It's not nothing. Now. It's not nothing and he missed thirty games, but he left other games because of injury, they wasn't able to finish. So this is what? What is he having this constant knee problem? What is it one a couple times. He's been hit on any. He had the bay bang knees with a player of the play. Okay. So that's the bone right? And he's and there's not a whole lot of flesh there, right? Like he's a really thin guy, narrow you typically when you bump knees, you get a little bone bruise, and it's pretty much in the last five months. True. True. But you never know if it's a bone, bruise that he came back to early on. That Dan became something worse or because he came back to soon ended up being even more sore than what it would be. And so you had to step out a little bit longer like two days later, like you, you never know why to cumulates, but I hear what you're saying key. It seems like if you just knock knees, two games should be ready to bounce back, but he had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee in July July, were in the middle of September and still not clear for contact after missing a bunch of games and look, I, I'm concerned that this is not that this injury particular, but is this the beginning of pattern where he's one of those guys and we've seen it happen where some guys just can't get on the court as much as you would like. Sergeant his left knee. It didn't say just MC l. almost thirty games because of nagging left knee issues. Miss the last eight games of the season underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee scope. Yes. It's like, you know, I had a scope was back in two weeks on the field plan tackle football. So I was like. It is concerning definitely concerning, but do scope they need and get him cleaned out all the time and get right back on the field. And let's go back to last year and lonzo's numbers were really good when Lonzo played. He played well, didn't shoot well, but his game, you know, you're talking about basically ten, seven and seven. He had a get a nice rookie season. If you look at the numbers, the knock on him was he wasn't out there a lot and the whisper, what what was whispered and never really said publicly by anybody was, hey, could he be out there more or the Lakers being overly cautious, just being, you know, he's easing asset, he's somebody that you need to protect moving forward or was he not the guy that's going to grind through it? And I, I don't key. You just said you had a scope miss couple of weeks and your back playing in the NFL. He had this done in July, but but but that's what I'm saying, what exactly. I mean, they're not gonna tell you all the details, but I wonder what's exactly wrong with his knee. Is it? Is it a scope? Does he as some point. Did they have to do something else? Another part of his body? I mean, what is it? Because typically a scope a couple of weeks man within this in this day and age medicine, you couple of weeks in and out. All right. Let's keep talking about this because not only is he not clear for contact, but they went out at had an acquisition this off season for guy that does a lot of the same things that he does and maybe even a little better. And what does that mean going into the beginning of the regular season? We'll do that next morning show Keyshawn l z and Travis ESPN LA.

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Baker Mayfield vs. Richard Sherman, NBA + China, Penn State fan letter, Mike Tomlin's next job

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Baker Mayfield vs. Richard Sherman, NBA + China, Penn State fan letter, Mike Tomlin's next job

"In order to enjoy this podcast and this show you need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree hey yeah Jimmy here when you speak for yourself you forced think for yourself and when you think for yourself the sports world looks games his buddy buddy relationship with Mayfield during Cleveland's five and three finish was kitchens main qualification for head coach. Kitchens is Dan over his would please their bratty quarterback after the browns fired two thousand eighteen head coach Hugh Jackson and offense coordinator Todd Haley Kitchens and Mayfield week three victory over the Ravens Kitchens began the process of apologizing for Beckhams lack of productivity immediately following that game when he complained to the media Mayfield is regressing from his promising rookie season while del Beckham Junior has been a shadow of its former self and why the Brown's got boat race thirty one two three by the forty niners last with you too early to say Baker and Odell or a bad Perry I do think it's too early they lacked consistent just as simple as a team right now that aim bff when kitchens called plays a final games of last season the forty four year old kitchens had never been more than a position coach before those he is we want to be their best friends more than we wanna be there mentors their voice of authority there unbending guiding light you WANNA understand why Roger needs to be given up for adoption I joining the desk now or Fox sports NFL analyst Lavar Arrington and Fox Sports College football analysts Reggie Bush Marcello Beckham dropped the ball kitchens called two running plays for Beckham and in the fourth quarter with the game out of hand kitchens allow Beckham to return a punt Becca made a mess of the return and fumbled the ball to the forty niners Baker and Beckham have turned the browns into a circus arrogance and whining when Baker is infused head trying to orchestrate Cleveland's offense while still learning to be an NFL head coach especially the coach of a team with two of the highest profile personalities in the League Ravens defender appeared to choke Beckham for anyone and everyone to know he had ob Jay's back kitchens double down last night his off enterprise go out there lose win lose win lose and that's where they are right now on that roller coaster trying to find that chemistry that they're lacking in part because of their off-season cases be named head coach in nfl franchise the browns elevated kitchen's over interim coach Gregg Williams because the has limbs and general manager John Dorsey thought last night kitchens cooked up a game plan intended to satisfy and showcase Beckham Junior Beckham had just two catches in Cleveland. He wasn't beating the forty niners. The priority was featuring Beckham Cleveland opened with Beckham throwing a pass to Jarvis Landry the next play was a throw to Beckham in the flat loved and enjoyed we start today with the browns Cleveland browns represent what's wrong with modern American culture was to we catered the two players to hit me hard. The browns are a hot mess and it starts with the two brads Baker and Beckham this pairing isn't going to work one of these problems offense defense I mean forget about the line of scrimmage they ran the football right down Cleveland browns defense and through the offense align one line of scrimmage nine lower their spoil Baker Mayfield and Odell Beckham junior the Brat pack of football I let me explain Freddie Kitchens had virtually no quality baker and his miseries he can place them all on himself not OB J O B j goes home looks in the mirror is like is beggar going show too with the media or as former coaches ob Jay is whining and playing the victim here Phil will anywhere watches or the visor he wants Greg Williams told us in time where I think he was prepared to be able to handle what was coming his way leader at quarterback would be able to manage the situation and say hey even unique chemistry you need to learn that unspoken language and him a baker do not speak the same language right now so ob Jay is going to be extremely frustrated as well but I had an independent position it was me the trenches and office alignment handle business widely you're different you're dependent out there when you're a wide so there's no way they should dominated like that with that much talent on the field and I don't know if Freddie Kitchens is the right man for the job right because ball funnel the offense through the run game right now they're trying to be a pass first team in Baker's not ready for that yet so help them out right make it simplify it for him limelight that's coming into that locker room unfortunately for Baker Mayfield he is at the maturation process or or place in his career at his early for that leadership value but when you have a baby at quarterback and you bring in and I said this so many times that when you bring in a guy with the the brand and he's part of this problem and that's the sad place because the internal fighting will start and the frustration will brew over there in a bad place but it's not passing game this is how we should be approaching it there should be feedback coming from your quarterback that is is really encouraging and empowering your offense coordinator your head coach they did the in week three against Baltimore Run yes and do what they trust me Oh b. j. wasn't happy and that's why they came out and and the the the mystique that that ob Jay's bringing into Cleveland and into that organization you've gotTa have a quarterback that can handle the amount of give him a good run game which already got that behind them and then get to the play action passes and then get to fill in Jarvis that's the way for at least from what I see that's the way it has to work can go on there and cause some dough plays for Odell Beckham Junior Jarvis Landry you got nick CIA back there who's waiting and screaming for you run against the forty niners defense that you can't really run the ball on that's the only team in NFL who hasn't allowed a rushing touchdown this season so maybe Freddie Kitchen Asian that preceded him but you have to have the proper leadership and I think that's what makes it a bad parent I think the personality aspects are getting highlighted because of the lack of consistency they had in terms of working together O. J. respect and to it too I mean look I I used to love working out by my due to write things with the rest of his descrip- but it's being dictated from somewhere else and it may not even oh BJ's fault it may be his retinue the two bottom line and they did not do that and that's happening right my concern would just be if we look at the emotional energy the opposite different game plan and that's why it's been a bad from day one and listen you have a leader Jarvis Landry right he seems to be the most mature and the guy that they tend to look for respect that maybe he was a little too cute but in part is because you're looking at the film and you're realizing not a lot of opportunities to exploit this team they're very in has towards Baker Mayfield you're exposing him when you go to that passing game the way that they did Nick Bolsa these guys we're not gonNA do a double pass with ob Jay we're going to run the ball this is what we're GonNa do we're GonNa Fund are run our offense through the run and and get to the passing game I can handle this well if so but you can't use that as as as an argument point when you brought in the type of talent that they brought in Cleveland still have to go out there and throw it out uh all right let's transition solely to Baker Mayfield Rigo anybody concerned yet that he will not make it as a franchise ranking is as a defense I'm gonNA come in here with a game plan knowing that I got a guy I got a couple of guys y'all can't cover on outside I'm mixed as run in because your defense has got to choose one a number one overall pick that that caught me off guard as many people but who am I to say anything to a guy who has this beautiful arrogance that wall quarterback position or that's infernal does GonNa blaze out of control your one hundred percent and then on top of that when I look at the end of the game right Odell carrying the ball proved theory wrong if you come in with the type of players in the in the firepower that Cleveland's coming in with you gotta you gotTa press that issue I don't I'm not coming in here based off of what your wants to but he always has something of substance to support it when he does take that shot that caught me as well and then I start to look at Baker Mayfield in that beautiful arrogance and I'm like I do think OBGYN Baker a both immature but if you're gonNA have a ob Jay is like Lavar says man you better be rock solid talked on two different college campuses and walked off as a heisman trophy winner so I had to bow down to whatever level of belief he had an himself warble because they still have a lot of football to play yeah not think they have a culture issue right now because there's no way they should go to dominate the way they did last night they got beat in every phase at football game you probably want to get away from the running game just because of this team this is a balanced team the only team in the NFL top-five offense and defense so you have to back he was the number one overall pick that guy is supposed to be headed for greatness any reason for concern yeah and I I will say that him being went to the running game to calm him down and now they just reverted back and that's why I just go this is in me trying to beat up on PJ put the wise ones of our league the veterans will always tell you no matter what your top layer is in terms of persona personality that bottom layer right now I have the great concern for Baker Mayfield if he doesn't correct his course because right now it's a recipe for disaster but don't you think there needs to be somebody in the job and that's why I think he has a hard time at this time checking Baker Mayfield I don't I don't see him it's going to be difficult for him to transition eight that offensive lineup and we've seen move acre the game before Baltimore we kept seeing Baker happy feet and bailing out of the Monitor and then from being the the college talent that he was into being a franchise quarterback in the NFL all right so is there a concern if middle's I'm about this chemistry about his leadership and when you have those boxes checked then the personality could come out but when it's not that's where I find now look at bigger Mayfield did I hear a rex Ryan come out who seem more football than probably all of us and he says this is a one quarterback now rex Ryan can take shots anybody is you're going to waste your your most formative years trying to figure out the best you can for yourself how do I I'm the type of pro that I'm supposed to become because you don't have that type of guidance it's happened so many times name me the last time a a high draft pick as Michael Jordan to Scotty Pippin Denis Rodman Horace Grant right so if you don't have that makeup he does not it's not even a concern as to whether he into production is not there so I think we all fit well in the locker room that's winning right you know we bothering out your differences or yours but as a quarterback went to Cleveland and actually was in a part of a culture and a franchise an organization that actually developed a French I don't care they haven't allowed a runner I apologize going into a game against Michigan State we didn't allow runner over one hundred yards and they had to go over two hundred yards on one gang we're losing my problem and that's the issue right here so his mental makeup returns a Baker Mayfield I don't see that at play what is play is one they win asa professionalism and respect for the game and kind of like the ducks feet under the water you'd be working in a professional manner here's the thing even put myself on that list there are a ton of guys that have come from being megastars at the college level and because they went to the the wrong franchise have Lincoln Riley the rest of his career because when he does get drafted mixed NFL somebody may not be ready to fit him into the system uh or structure in place and so it kind of falls into something that was current turns me about Jalen hurts right concerning thing to me is that Jalen hurts US awesome sorry teams that turned their course around now bill belichick greatest coach of all time was the losing head coach five of his first six seasons including five op quarterbacks go through the worst teams that's how we reward we reward you at the top of the draft being sorry so most of the top quarterback who come into the NFL is that make it it'd be what's between his his his heirs it's GonNa come down to what Reggie was touching earlier is how is he being developed there are a ton and can be a franchise quarterback it's a it's a matter of how how good can he be and and can he have a pro career without that type of able to speak to that best but the reality of it is when you're talking about a high draft pick that does go to one of these these poor type of franchises it's unfortunate Baker Mayfield has come into he had an opportunity to develop an assist them and once he had an opportunity now he made the best of it and who knows you know he would be is quarterback at that position I'll wait here we ain't got them right so the reality of it is if you're looking at what he's facing what we just debate it with what kitchens is not doing. He's not a Phil Jackson in Chicago Bulls type of setting so and he's not a leader himself he's not but then instantly their franchise goes into win now mode right after his rookie season. I don't think you do that that early would young quarterback He was going to be a franchise quarterback there has to be a concern I I'm more the thought process you have to prove that you're a franchise quarterback I don't I don't look at anybody. Oh He's not going to be a franchise quarterback in Cleveland Cleveland now the whole bellichik Brady argument who made who the point of it is the quarterback there's onus on you to make your coaches coaching staff that can help him to that level because whoever's there obviously is not getting the job done right and obviously the play calling is not supporting what we should well for him in college same thing for Baker he doesn't have Lincoln ride that system that elevated him in that showcase what he does well in the he sing on a football field because last year when when when Baker took over he looked different than he does right now it's the same coats down that's the same coach loose with the football and the pocket then what does it do it translates to other guys on the team being loose with the football in the pocket and that speaks to the coach and the leadership issue that they have right yeah freshman not letting them off the hook like that because everything you guys say is applicable to the NFL experience. 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AKA ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash speak Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire in just a few days with results like that it's no wonder four out of five employers who post one ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day ZIPRECRUITER's effective for businesses of all sizes trust Ziprecruiter for free at our web address ziprecruiter dot com slash speak that's ziprecruiter Guy Chris Carter and Randy Moss yet a young guy in Dante colpepper Dennis Green very experienced absolutely the reality of it is is it's going to ultimately come back to is there enough leadership is there enough structure to create an environment that can can it's a guy learning on the Dow agree with that but there was still a lot of leadership and guidance that came from Chris Carter Randy Moss during that time so skip Payton Manning took his lumps in India thirteen and route together as an organization and that as well if you're a franchise quarterback so he's not a franchise go brady were in the same draft and I was long gone I was I was on a silver of NFL DOT com that Baker Mayfield disrespected him by refusing to shake hands out there with a forty niners drubbing of the browns but today new video has emerged showing that Freddie Kitchens was there was the offense off the data but he was not a head coach and that's where I very different power dynamic is all is because Baker was instrumental in Freddie Getting Dante had the benefit of having a strong leader and a father figure in a dentist green and had that same type of that's my uncle that's my brother with those receivers quote asked Richard Sherman about the video out there he said it was Baker Mayfield darting away after the toss that anger the niners that's it they are making I feel shook all the niners hands at the coin toss including Sherman and the corner now appears to be changed their story with the S. is Algebraic tweeting with locking Wiley Reggie Bush Lavar Arrington her back time now for big story let's move to Richard Sherman made waves last night telling but you do not see those guys generally pan out immaterial allies name Oh let's name who has had success I'm gonNA gather I know but if you don't take that option some guys may feel slide I feel I just had to kind of handed out for the young I'm already doing this to the crowd when we're not we're not coin toss job let jobs should've went to Greg Williams quite he should've went to Greg Williams but because of the relationship and BFF Baker he gets the God I'm going to give you a different franchise different situation because I think what Baker is experiencing not only is he go to poor franchise way too big of a story out of a blowout he pissed us all we put a foot in his ass individual I mean really that's what he wanted to say it wouldn't even speak for yourself isn't your twitter Facebook Instagram Feed SF y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want so welcome aboard the receiver way we difference even with that being said the difference is leadership if you had it is but we're not going to see that my point is that if Peyton manning had been dealing with Marvin Harrison on one side and Chris Act like you what he has to prove that he hasn't shown he's a franchise guy yet now the problem that he's facing it's not gonna be talent is not even a handshake shoot it was more so about listen you and even you're not even ready for this is this a bad look for Richard Sherman no not a bad look what Richard Scher is not we've got to take up due to coin toss I don't think a lot of people know the beats of a coin toss you could you get out there now it's all dependent on if the referees ready if he ain't ready with Savoy later on the other that could stunt your growth because those guys are ready to eat now the large folk there why the game the first handshake is the only one replied has it that's it second handshake issue my dog like Walter Pain like Odell is one of my boys and I will sit here if he was sitting right next to me tell him come on Bro you cannot do that right and so to me it's the trickle down effect because Baker I this way defense is coming up already looking at the crowd trying to shake your hand this is a classic situation they ask yes twenty interceptions twenty of them against US buffalo bills my team three next day with thirteen to three I don't know what kind of gross it's like if I don't bang which you like that with this on its own the production sheet as a line item and this option art great you can go get it then we do the coin toss after that we have to do it again that's two hands it's too and if you don't do you of Richard Serbia felt slighted because he didn't feel like he got the love from Baker Mayfield that he should have got arm Richard Sherman better better address me differently than what you doing right now unless you wanna get yourself ready to play a game and if that's what got him a little bit more motivated I don't look at it as a bad look I just look at it as and Mike Silver is as woke as anybody on the plant here he is a social justice warrior the ultimate and so woke and less embarrassed this little privilege arrogant white quarterback that plays Mike Silver and then you throw in Richard Sherman and again because he said this in private Erin Andrews and let the whole world know this was going on in the lion's den so he did this once again and it's interesting that Baker may feel play Argueta there's confirmation bias coming in Richard Sherman you already loaded because this is Baker Mayfield Mr all hype team right now right now if I do into Mike Silverman this feels concocted. It's a bad look for Richard Sherman Mike Silver again because the second handshake is optional. I get where they're coming from GonNa do this to you and so I think Richard Sherman's wrong here but I'm not gonNA feel no pity parties for Baker Mayfield I'll take a lot of this what you just said might a win over Baker everybody's making their name Baker Mayfield and I say this affectionately in proudly Colin cow her been killing Baker Mayfield tone for my entire career connected to the niners sports illustrated connected to the niners but also connected Hugh Jackson show just being all the way there words in an unfair way for people to Powell on it it's it's unfair and is convenient let's talk about that all right now we are we going to cook this I'm good for Colin cowherd he's been proven right if you're a lightning Rod ed prepare for a lot of thunderstorms man you're polarizing figure people polarizing figure so so when you have a known polarizing figure that that is willing to speak his mind I don't think that that's a bad look and then and then reality of it is is that he's one of those rare guys that he'll talk crazy and you'll think it's crazy but he backed it up he backs it I mean he went out there and he picked the dude even quote Unquote Cloud Tastes Sherman blew up he was already big but he blew up when he had that battle with crabtree and took it off the field are better you go and we have as he said post game all pro's pro bowlers on every single level we hear now remember why would Richard Sherman do that while we're Richardson you think against missed all high like he did pick on them oh I could really blow this thing up and let everybody know I'm back Richard Sherman back from there you go undefeated forty nine if he has a chip and again I like Mike Silver he's a good guy he's a very talented journalist but the combination of friendship with you too August I think it sure I'm just kind of had it out for the young do because Cleveland is Cleveland been kind of nominated as his great team nobody was really picking the forty niners a lot of people's heads and the reality of it is is that when you look at what just took place in the source of which it came from and how it was put out there I mean I don't right and so he kind of made me feel disrespected like coming here you go take a deeper cut off because there's a journalist involved here named Mica silver right right into right into it because that's the reason why people were telling you look crawl before you walk because if not as you said you're GonNa be a lightning rod bright but but again when you try to smear Baker Mayfield this is kicking a man when he's down you just knocked him down in the fight you don't gotta come out and talk some about him I use you for juice juice wow and nick Bosa right nick both of them waving the flag after working every everybody everybody wants if you had a good game I think about chasing going on for talking about the forty niners not Rachel and we'll get the beauty of Richard Sherman as you said the reason I'll continue to say I don't think is really bad on on Richard Sherman is because for one we have come to know Richard Sherman to be lightning rod for why he has no he has no problem being his general manager Del More Easter controversy this week by tweeting support for protesters in Hong Kong the Chinese government was displeased with Maury and with Adam Silver's supported having to navigate the international incident and yesterday the normally outspoken Steve Kerr was asked if he had an opinion on the controversy actually I don't the general manager and the Chinese State TV canceled preseason broadcasts while other Chinese companies have suspended business with the NBA People Crossing Megan ration- like we don't really see guys like going at each other anymore like I'm Mona's football feel you I'm here I'm here for you and only you so to me I it's a really really bizarre international story is he's been through the highs and lows of being this guy that makers trying to be he's like right now bro learned from talk that talk now and as you see Baker Mayfield but are we surprised this is inevitable if you talk about what they're doing in terms of business understandable like you work with China Population one point four billion people that's why every single business that's into the prophet is going to try and work with China but you also have to ask yourself you understand what that means our and in this situation this is something that Adam silver an NBA is dealing with that they didn't start that is bigger than them and what does that mean in terms of relationship and in terms of agreement so when people come up to me and always say the end justifies the means I'm like raise eyebrows they're trying to do it to preserve relationship that is not built on the strongest character and the fundamentals that they represent and then you try to morph that into a business relationship of the NBA Blurt lies will occur very tricky though they are the question here is do you like how the NBA is handling this 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A lot of us don't know what to make so stern something I'm reading about just like everybody is but I'm not gonNa comment so as I said before I think this was inevitable there are more sending a tweet was now the reason why we're having this discussion but when you're talking about US China relationship supportive democracy that's something that I think most Americans have a consensus on we believe in democracy and we don't believe in communism branded themselves as the social justice Lee most progressively we care about all the everything and Daryl Morey has tweeted out well how many times or what you have done a being in Hong Kong or China whatever it is you are GM for the Houston Rockets so to be able to state that it's very mm-hmm and repressive government and so I don't think the NBA needs to be more honest about what it is it's a business at the end of the day Adam Silver I think is a great commissioner ee diplomatic about a lot of data record Adam silver you're good commissioner continuing a cold hearted business and there's a ton of money to be made in China that's why every MBA player runs his ass over China two or three times every summer to get I want to say something but anyway like I was saying you got to think about this first of all there are more I don't know how influential but here we have a communist repressive government that human rights violations out the union but there are more people are having is like the NBA Steve Kerr Gregg Popovich Lebron James Nobody wants to visit the White House everybody's very critical of the American government bag the NBA has been over getting the bag because that's one of the reasons why NBA salaries have escalated to such a high level and so the problem is what you're speaking of well we take a stand as far as in America Steve Kerr Gregg Popovich Lebron whoever it is myself you whatever it is elite trying to get the bag from China and so all that some people are saying cut it out NBA Adam Silver Steve Kerr you in our backyard our backyard that's one it's your money was a six hundred million people watching Chinese over in China Watch an NBA basketball six hundred million snoop I'm standing honored repeating the shoe companies control basketball and the shoe companies are really in bad with China and a real wait two hundred million more than in America so you know what you're doing is you're buying them hands and feet so so the first of all stay away from that stay away from it because if you don't you're not you're

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"Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the ESPN app. Apple podcasts, we ever get your podcast. We appreciate it rate. As review us gives five stars. The only give I'm inclined to think that you are a hater. We're gonna talk about James players bad choice, but befits Patrick back in Tallaght getting the luckiest fire, and I can think and stores if you guys losing your significant others to famous people at clubs, but I. All right. So added the browse loss to the Steelers a lot of people kinda came away from that game. Fillets somebody who's going to have to be fired. All one level. You would have immediately thought that that one person would be huge axe except I mean, the mere fact huge eggs hadn't got fired thus far made. You have no idea what it would take for him to get fired. Like, I didn't think he was going to five this season. I mean, like I mean, I thought he'd get to the end of it. I thought this would definitely be the end for him this year, but I wouldn't so sure to that last game was going to get him fired. But then they reached a point where seeing clear to everybody that either tied Haley or Jackson was going to have to go because they could not work together. And then in the end, the owner decided well, actually. Got to go. We'll both of y'all got to go because Greg Williams got to stay. You may remember Greg Williams. He was do defense coordinated the saints during that whole bounty thing and be out. It's like understand it that wouldn't coup. But I'm not, you know, I'm not that mad at him about what went down with that. When I'm not awesome. You could never coach in the NFL again. But what I will never forget is Greg Williams. Look one way disappeared came back and looked like an entirely different person. Like just that he looked different. But to whole Steve's about it was different. Now. I look I need to be fair degrade Williams on this right and need to be fair. I j b that to him try to like flipped his whole situation up after their previous previous thing. It is in Charlie possible that really all he did was mediocre woman. Right. That was the level of Steve's flip up that he has. And you know, high goes when him cats about that aid star meeting this young woman, generally speaking, or maybe this is only my life. So I don't want to necessarily. Checked all of this onto the rest of you. But the stylistic evolutions that I tend to have normally motivated by, you know, being in a serious relationship with a woman, otherwise, I don't really care that much right? He's just not a big deal, but you notice right different shirts, right impart because one day, you come home, and you know, there's different shirts. Maybe you know. Women are by shirts. I don't know. But like this kind of high goes, so maybe for Greg Williams. He was not just trying to shake off everything that happened him previously. Maybe we'll have him was he just you know maze. Other changes in his life. Anyway, he Luli such different person. He's great GRE g Williams, and I feel like you need to start going by GRE g like if you're gonna do the witness protection thing, man. You can't just come out here with same name. I take another. Greg Williams would have decided after he had his makeover to start going by a totally different name. Somebody would have had to put up decide by side picture. And that'd be like. Yeah. I mean that kind of looks like Greg Williams. But I mean, are you sure? Take it all away take the glasses off to the frosted tips going on there. Right. Dig it. All the way. Maybe he maybe like he needed. I get a little work done like not not not a lot in just go right there, man. He could have been a totally different human faggots import. I need to look up like Greg Williams sitting like Mary situation because he'd been married. What would for like thirty years? I am very curious. What she thought she was. You're just not the man I married, right? And you know, what maybe that's a good thing. Not really sure anyway back to the browse and Hugh Jackson and fire situation. I watched one episode of hard knocks and thing about hard knocks is now they do it where it's like sorry teams. Like, they nobody wants to do it. So you kinda can't achieve your way out of doing hard knocks. And so the thing about doing hard knocks with sorry team is if they just got a if they just got a new coach, okay, whatever. But if they got a coast has been there. And of course, it MB and sorry. Then what you get a chance to witness is cats who are obviously if they not angling for that job. They are angling for eight job. And if we have learned anything about the hiring and professional sports reasonably they are just like everybody else, and they are very susceptible to the allure of people being on television as oh if you get up there, and you put up a dynamic performance on television. Maybe you get you a job, or at least, that's the way that people. See it's kind of like the bachelor that year where you have like the one girl or you know, if it's the bachelorette the one guy that's clearly like doing too much his own spinoff. Yes. There's always somebody when it's going to be there. Like, I remember Brian Cox was kinda dude when the falcons on there like he was gonna make us go make star term, man. This is the nature of what reality television does and hard knocks is ineffective reality television. But this year on the Browns. I mean, it was obvious. Todd Haley was gun in for this job. There was no question about it. He was gunning for this job. Greg Williams is definitely putting on a certain level of performance. But Todd Haley just got run out of there. And pittsburgh. He turns up in Cleveland. You gotta coach that's one one game in the previous two years. I don't know if Todd Haley sought in the way that I did which was you know, chances of the season because of Todd Haley came in resuscitate at the offense, huge accents job was to get the offense going and so tied. Haley would ultimately get the credit for it. And potentially get the head coaching job. You can go look at what happened in Tampa Bay with their cutter. That's how he wound up getting job right team. Got better they attributed to the office and the development of the quarterback? And then they hired the office coordinator to be the head coach as worked out. Well, but you know, that's what they did. It was right. There dot Haley dot Haley did not come near to work for no damn huge accent. Every was over the reports are that we are receiving he. He didn't have any interest in working for Hugh Jackson. Right. He was over there to do his own thing. And you know, what I don't really have a problem. With him thinking that he didn't work for Hugh Jackson. 'cause from the stuff that I've been reading football media's been putting out about this. Apparently, they didn't think he worked for you Jackson neither. And the reason I say this is added I game. Hugh Jackson said the offense was not playing. Well, and that he is an offensive guy that is his specialty. And therefore if he needs to be more hands on with the offense. That is what he is going to do now on one hand. And the argument that his offense was not necessarily that good when he was running it self himself. I would make the other argument that huge huge accent made Andy Dalton look good. And he made like Jason Campbell. Look really good in Oakland by dude is not a fool when it comes to offense. You ain't perfect. But he ain't a fool, and if that's what you had to do. Then that's the answer that you're supposed to give. Yeah. I'm the head coach. And if we need, you know, if I need to go in and. Do more. I'm gonna valuated, and I'm gonna see what it is that I can do and people reported that though Jackson says he's going to take the play call and away from Todd Haley, I didn't interpret that that way at all. When I saw it. That's just the reasonable answer that a head coach we get but apparently out Todd Haley worked for Hugh Jackson either. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Edison, turn on your remember that offseason when the Browns wound up hiring him, we will put him out there like a hot name for coach and search, right? It was it was it was very clear people really thought that huge accident should get a job, and, you know, part of the discussion around that was kinda compounded by like the struggles that black head coaches generally do with and so people who recognize the obstacles, of course, we're in line to say, hey, there's always say, you ain't gonna buy it higher here. Somebody at Harvard anyway, people this is pretty good hard for Cleveland man, when they brought him back this year that turn was swift. And everywhere people were just like yo get this cat out of here. Now, of course that kind of happens when you win one game in two years is totally understandable. But then it gets too extreme place where. Mazzy? I'm probably going to look a little bit more at the offense because I'm an offensive, dude. People look at it. And they're like making thing. You know? That's just kind of what happens. I my dad tells about this. You know, I forget what song it was the line. You lost the love and feeling. You know, you criticize everything I say where you get to that point where people are just done and nothing you say or be do whatever it is gonna wind up being the thing. That is correct. You know, like we call he who for not starting Baker Mayfield. And I made that in that first start us off a Mayfield. I was like who kinda surprised he hadn't been playing before now. But I mean, maybe it was not bad. And I'm not calling him a bus or anything like that. But I mean, I see that look like somebody who's ready to start like I see why somebody with being I've got this guy who made the Pro Bowl a couple years ago. I'm gonna go ahead and play him. I get it. I don't really think that that's crazy or absurd of thought. But I know case keeping dude. I got none that I team thousand one of fifteen team. That second team was not an Owen sixteen. It wasn't. There's no way around that. It was not this team. Probably should be better than it has been in terms of wins and losses, right? Like, hey, when they decide you gotta go into situation. Okay. Boom there it is. You gotta go. I just find it hilarious. Todd Haley thought he was going to play himself into a place where the job will wind up being here is now he had crib? Also, both it up Shelat. And one thing I'm not really like that inclined to do like hard find somebody to root for the situation. But if you got to pick a side between the dude that one that went one in thirty one. And the other dude is Todd Haley there are no good choices here. The opposite. That you have to select from. They're not fantastic. Your preferred those somebody else in there problem is with the Browns. The only other thing is for you to throw in there apparently is Greg Williams and the arbiter of all of this Jimmy has lem. Hey, have you seen as people talking about, you know, because a Baker Mayfield Lincoln Riley would be somebody that Cleveland dried higher, and I totally see why Cleveland would think that hiring Liga? Riley was a great idea. I don't know what the hell liquor Rollie. We'd be thinking going over there. Did you catch the lake Vegas odds for who's like for this job? I did not. Oh, right. Okay. So at the top of it, Sean McVeigh what Sean McVay in a got me thinking so over the weekend when Hugh was up doing his presser after the game. And someone asked him like, oh, do you. Remember that time out situation in the second quarter that you have to have or whatever it he's like, honestly, I don't even recall that and it just like the. Juxtaposition with like, Sean McVeigh who can remember like what he ate for breakfast in high school one like fall day, and he's number one for the odds for the for the coaching position. It's like a mini kinds tweet out like the Browns making these odds. Yeah. I mean, I saw Sean McVeigh was smart. Like what what why would you do this? I got understand that this roster has potential they got assets all of this stuff. They believe they have a franchise quarterback. And whether you take jobs entirely dependent on what you think Baker Mayfield is going to turn into the NFL. Like, this is an Andrew luck type situation where everybody would wanna work with him. You know, that's not hitting them. Even if you think he's good. You would understand that? This isn't a guy that's going to necessarily appeal to everybody. Why would you know? No heavy. Good thing. There's no way no matter. What that good thing is I don't leave a good thing to go to Cleveland. Right. As the kind of thing you do. 'cause you gotta you know, like, Hugh Jackson, for example. He took the head coaching job. That was being offered. It wasn't like that do sifting through all these offers. It was like, you know, what Cleveland comes out on top Nomonde standing is. He took the job that was offered. And the big reason he took it was a smart one. Which was he was the owners hire. And he was but then they switched out the front office. He and I last front office either. But I don't think he got it. They brought in the new front office the first day in new guys. Go want to do is get one in thirty one dude about paint by. No, no, no. I here's my question. Hugh Jackson hiring Todd Haley, and I don't know if it was his decision not to do that is that a sign of like, real like comfort and confidence. Or is that the most naive thing you ever could do because people don't like him at all. You know, they said he was doing this. I read a report said that do was walking in to like draft valuation meetings uninvited for the Browns uninvited unannounced, just show up and tell them knew who he wanted. He was long for the place. I want I want to be tied to the future this franchise. And you gotta remember that Haley Haley's dad, I think we're for the Steelers, but he was like somebody in an NFL front office in that was the way that he got on is getting into game. So it's not like we're talking about a do came up playing football and stuff like that. And talking crazy to people, you know, all of this. It was not hard to see that the Todd Haley thing was not going to work out. It was it was not difficult at all to see that. That was not going to work out if I'm not mistaken te'o holidayed him on the sideline one time. I think he on. Tijuana receivers coach, I think that. Yeah. I think that might have been him. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that that was a man's Todd. Haley. This is this is just hilarious and against somebody's gonna take the job. Because obviously there just aren't that many of link around asthma bodies eight nine years in that job right now. Because that's the kind of thing that you gotta say to give your agent enough time to make that phone call to get you raised. But I just can't see any way possible that him at the age that he is. He's got a really good job. He's got a Thang humming in that. Really? Good job. You you need post up because the Browns are really bad job. Right. No matter what Ross is everything else is still the Browns. Right. No matter what you think about what the football situation is everything else is still LeBron's. You believe in John Dorsey. That's fine. How long's John Dorsey necessarily going to be there because of things outside of him? Not because he doesn't know what he's doing. But because of things that are outside of him. Why say Brown's man they are the Browns at is it Hugh Jackson probably wishes he was still coaching getting fired kind of embarrassing. Isn't it sad that the Browns had like one day this entire season where they didn't feel like the Browns? I think it was that like was it that Thursday night game? They won another game with that. There was that one night where like Baker came out. Everybody's like, oh, we're not the Browns anymore like with a future. Now's the first way. And they'd had in like goodness knows how long beer for America thing. Oh, my well. Let me let me let me let me let you know. This this best. Interesting factoid roll out Joe pas Naski wrote this. So this on me row for the athletic since the Browns came back. There has not been a season where they did not change either the head coach the general manager or one of the coordinators that's over twenty years. I will be back in just a second to talk about the craziness Tampa. But I these days you can get practically everything on demand. The right, listen, whatever you want winners. Convenient for you. Did you know you can even get postage on demand? All you need to stamps dot com with stamps dot com. You can access all the services of the post office, right? 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Like when the decision was made to take it by the gay. I I turned over because I watch it on Sunday ticket. But I gotta do to Sunday ticket on stream. You know, it's a long story. But that gives you a little bit of a delay. So I know what had happened. So. Like, gee, I wonder if have over that bear boar turnover that bad, boy, it all that solves Dirk cutter who I couldn't pick out of a lot of otherwise. But as he WALDO derive Paget was you got it. I was like, oh, yeah. This is kind of what it has to be. And so I watch the game as it goes on. And it was kind of interesting because Patrick put a big numbers. The biggest number came from that seventy two yard pass to Mike Evans, and you can't ever knock man for past that he actually completes, but I feel like any of us could a completed that passed the problem is I'm not sure that at that point Jayme would have completed that pass. It is no question that they had to put him on. And it totally makes sense that he is not going to play next week. If it's gonna wind up getting started do gate or no other options, you know, one thing figured out about his world man release as relates to me. And this sports coverage is a whole lot of yells at around. And wait for today. Then I'm wrong about some you can give me the bad down about being wrong. I've come to understand it. This is just how y'all get down. And you have to like from our perspective. I'm not going knock you for it. I just personally I wouldn't raise to be a hater. So I just don't have an ability to understand what it is about you to makes you that way. Right. But I'm willing to indulge you to an extent because I was raised to be a nice guy. What can I say? When it was time star James it was time star James. There's no question about that the argument starring Ryan Patrick was rife his Paget had the hot hand reiver's Patrick through was there for two sessions in over five quarters or something like that. And it was just like. Okay, cool. So this Patrick thing went away that it typically goes they brought James in. They win a gate at a run. Yeah. Like a decent game one against Ladda. But man, I do get the ball way. And he gets back there, and you look in his eyes and for someone who is roundly considered to be like smart football football. But like smart about this stuff. He makes the horrible list decisions as an interesting thing about him. Because in spite of all the things that surround him in a way James managed to shake off like your typical standard black quarterback nuts by people talk about them being terrible at this point. But you don't hear people coming out here with the he can't read defensive stuff. In spite of the fact that he consistently throws the ball to the other team. This is actually a bit of magic that he's managed to pull this off in terms of the way that he is perceived. But the thing is he was Doan passes right at defensive bags, right? He has a general accuracy problem. But this was not a matter of being inaccurate. This was a matter of throwing the ball right to the defense. I son something wrong things on your mind. Is this contract you'd be a little bit too much for you? Because he looked though worst is when he was out there. But I don't know what exactly baseball. Do the reason that I say that is again, we know how this goes with Fitzpatrick he'll ride a hot streak for you. And then he'll wind up, you know, coming crashing to earth. But the thing is the hot streak itself is not promised. What I mean like he can give you a hot streak and then after the hot streak it's going to fall apart. If you get the hot streak in first place. So let's hear just purely as a hypothetical. Let's say next week. Fitzpatrick comes out there. And he throws too and substance in the first half right now for me. Of course, you play him for the rest of the game. I mean, you made the decision. He's going to be the guy that starts you ride it out for the rest of the game. But those two and seven I have you come out of that game. And it's like there's Bajic do for you know, some Brazilian yards. One touchdown to substance. That is an improvement over what you have been getting. But if that keeps up. Are you at a place where you are going to say they James is his worst game. Because that is one like dangerous thing that I think has happened at this point. And this happens to a lot of quarterbacks where? Yeah, bad run. And suddenly that becomes the definition of what kind of quarterback you watch our Taylor. I think had this happened to him in Cleveland when I think it was pretty clear that he was playing hurt in some magic he had really bad first half in the browse game that we were talking about the one that the Browns won and beggar came in and they were talking about the future and everything else. Go as people about draw Taylor. And they're going to find him by those four games like that. That's going to be the way that they see him from here on out that same silly, right? Because it me tell you who apparently has not been defined by his worst four games. Ryan fitzpatrick. Hey and thought about it like that. Right. Yeah. Okay. But the but still have some measure of decision to make because I would not believe that the quarterback that you saw in Cincinnati is your quarterback. Now what your quarterback is is turnover prone and you have to ask yourself. What is the ceiling of the other things that he can provide as he is turnover prone fumbles included? Right. Like, he is that was the ceiling for that. And do they have a star quarterback? No. Unless something drastic changes. Does he do? They have a star quarterback. I'm going to say, no. Do they have a quarterback who can easily be replaced? Right. Not necessarily at this moment because obviously rival Patrick. But if you're talking about the quarterbacks that you have for the like the contract, how easy is it for you to go find another quarterback like the guy that can do that. I don't really have an answer for that. Like, hey, can you think about how like how many quarterbacks you just laying around like der Indian F L? But not starting that might be a guy like the one guy. I can think of is you Kobe perset. There was a guy. Wouldn't you think that Jon Gruden would probably be trying to get him on his roster yet, Derek Carr? And so he doesn't have to take a rookie, right? Yes. Who's the other? Oh, teddy Bridgewater is there for someone. He's on the saints. Yeah. He's there and he's only one year contract that he's all. So he's there for somebody to take my guess is that the saints like, okay, we get him. He's back up. And if we lose him in free agency, I imagine they get a compensatory pick based on money, and they're thinking somebody's gonna pay a halfway decent chunk of change in order to get him. Like, maybe maybe that's my guess. But the the game of going and getting another quarterback is tricky tricky tricky. And this is not a good year to draft a quarterback like other than Herbert. The only two names. I've heard people talk about quarterbacks. And of course, the way this process goes we go find out about more guys later like if you would ask me this question two years ago. I never would have mentioned Patrick Mahomes, for example. Right. So there's going to be somebody that comes up. Carson Wentz would be another guy that if we were talking about this part of the process, we weren't really talking so much about them. So maybe there's somebody out there. But there's somebody out there. The tap is like I can plug this dude in with receivers that we have the options that we got we can make this happen. Is there that guy? I don't know so fist patchy comes out here. And does not play will which is a possibility because he plays. Well, then that answers self, but if it comes out here, and he does not play well at what point do you go back to James because I am not convinced that the dudes on the team that excited about the idea coming back to James. Tell you. What might be the biggest indictment that Tampa has shown toward James? I keep in my company. It was only a couple of weeks ago that cut it was talking about James going to be here longer than I am. So like they were in on this not that long ago. But the fact that it came down to that last play against the falcons and rather than run a play to try to throw the ball into the end zone. They ran that crazy thing James ran into somebody. And then tried to laterally to Mike Evans who supposed to try to get it to Sean Jackson. Oh, by the way to to Mike Evans wasn't accurate. That's the word. I was thinking of indictment. The most damning indictment guy. Like, I mean, if you have I guess she was running for his Patrick was wearing Sean Jackson's chain. But if you have that going on in they're not backing Janus than that says that tells you all you need to know, also like the question becomes what point do you? Give up on a quarterback. My that's what it become. So you know in the year twenty fifteen I became kind of famous for like Kirk cousins stuff, right? A raise them questions that I thought very sale, you know, the time cousins has turned out to be a lot better than I thought he was then but at that time because it was doing two hundred sessions every other week, right? Like, you can go back and look at the timing of when I wrote did that thing with the Washington Post. He was to interceptors every other week in the middle of his fourth year. So he's basically in the same place that James is in right now. Now, the argument that you can make on the other side, obviously cousins didn't get to play as much however cousins absolutely had a time where he had that starting job and he lost it to Colt McCoy. You can go back and look at that. So cousins is now in. Seventy seventh year in the lead. He is turned into what he is now. Right. And that's a quarterback somebody paid what twenty seven million dollars a year in order to get at. What point do you decide to bail on something like this? Now, of course, there's also comes with one complicating factor. James does things. Right, right. This is this is this for me often becomes a gray space because I understand why many people believe that he committed a sexual assault in Tallahassee. I have not been presented the evidence that I've seen that does not leave me convince it sure as hell doesn't leave me at a place where I say, he did not do it. But I'm not in a place where I can operate on the presumption that he did that's always been my feeling on that particular incident. But Uber things ridiculous. There's no way around it. Right. He at he behaves in a problematic fashion, or at the very least he has behaved in a problematic fashion. Right. And so everything you talk about him as a football player, then gets compounded by what the other stuff is. And so if somebody tells me that they go make the call on James where they're like, nah, I'm not doing this. Because he's not that good at. I can't trust him. Got. You can see that. The thing is it doesn't sound like NFL teams are worried about that. Whether they should or should not be his own discussion. But I don't get the feeling that like the bucks, for example, are that worried about that? That doesn't seem to be part of the calculus for them. It doesn't seem to even really be that much of the frustration. At least from their local fans that that doesn't seem to be. They just like, oh man dude is not going to people. So when I talk about him, I want to be clear, I am not. I do not discount. The other stuff that comes with James. But when I like analyze it, look like what it is for these squats. I just don't think they put it in their math. I I just don't think that this is something that's going to that really makes the full omega Brickley. There'll be some teams at some point. If he's out there that won't know what to do. But I don't I don't think. That's I don't think that that is coming up in that way about him. It's just a matter of whether or not he can play football. And I just don't think that the worst of him is necessarily what he is. I am now though convinced that. The best of him will only be but so good like we thought this guy. They could potentially be a perennial. Pro Bowl quarterback is ain't that unless something drastic changes. This is not that like this is like there's a lot of Jay Cutler with a not as strong arm here. Nothing Jay Cutler was better than people give him credit for. But that's not the comparison that you wanna had. It'd be a baseball player today. Kingman that is not the thing that you want to be. But let me tell you something by Jay Cutler thought to give up stuff to get them and spend money to keep them that everybody. Understood because there just aren't that many good quarterbacks out there Alam's have obey think it might take James was to be a good quarterback. Let me tell you, my guess because I heard thing about you know, if his option for next year's only guaranteed for injury is not guarantee for skill. So if he fails a physical at some point that money becomes guarantees. That's the argument basically, the Robert Griffin argument for put him in bubble wrap and not playing this year. If I had to guess if the general manager doesn't get hired. James going to get that option next year. If it doesn't work for them next year. Maybe they draft a quarterback or maybe they put the option on him try to take a quarterback, you know, at some point fairly early in the draft. And hope you got a guy that can beat them out. Like they did Josh Freeman does she was there maybe play that they make? But James is probably going to be the starting quarterback again. Go ahead and make peace with it. Right. Go ahead and make peace because it ain't gonna be much right or wrong issue is just a fist project angles being to do that. He is. Now, we'll say this comes out here and has a run and the run the run doesn't stop. Yep. He'll wind up keeping the job. I just don't see why anybody would bet all such thing happening. Bet on James either. So I tell you easy about this one. Cavaliers fire Todd Lou. And I mean gave how have you would you be? If you retire Lou. I would be over the moon. This would be absolutely over the moon. I mean getting a fifteen million dollar payout and being told you don't have to hang around a sinking ship anymore. Look bad. Don't forget he had to leave the team last year for health and stuff just stress. I know people forget about that. And that's that's stress. I understand that this unique presses come with the is in your orbit, but that's still stress. Lebron you imagine stress with algebra and Kevin Kevin love about a month. Like, I feel so dumb. I looked at the team. And I was like, and I still think this team win thirty forty games, y'all air so bad. I gave way too much credit to the idea that some of these other guys have some bigger roles, and they still made some having they sting like if I do and do you think show up to work a little bit early tomorrow? I would love. To damage. You wanna talk about? Well, we're going to go in another direction say, no more. Now, I don't even know explanation. In fact, my stuff is already in a box. I'm ready to go. Like, I go shake hands with all the players. I'd have no problem showing up because I would have absolutely no be you're gonna give me my fifteen million dollars. And I ain't got to put up with none of this. And I can just go kick in LA or something like that must be. Oh, yeah. Kane wait. I'd be out. I'm he jail. Larry, drew. They will Larry Jew to ITERA coach, Larry drew is like, no, sir. Larry Jews says he will not be the interim coach he's as the acting coach. He's he is the voice he says he recognizes that he is. In fact, the substitute teacher in that. If they want him to actually coach the team, they go to give some log rutta shirts, and I don't blame him in. The least I understand standard practice in the NBA. Is you make leases and interim coach you give them a little bit of a pay raise. And then you may go play from there. Larry stupid. You know, what I'm doing ain't gonna listen to him. If you not actually to coach, and he's been the interim coach way too many times. And I don't know he knows that these cats are not. Going to listen to him. And so if they're not going to listen to him, he's not going to do. I do you. Remember when a Bernie Bickerstaff was interim coach at fire, my Brown in LA, very big because that team Kobe and those dues on it man, Bernie Bickerstaff didn't even try. He knew of the deal was eight here to actually coach this team. So he did not actually coach his team, by the way with him not coaching. That was the best that team was that year. But not now not on. I. Hey, hey, told it by that to be alert ease this what other present? I am not doing this. How bad that team is going to be on top of thing about how bad that team is going to be this is where you got to remember. And you gotta get props to kyri for being like, oh, no, no, no this. I'm out Carrie sign that extension in Cleveland, and it was going to be his team. Right. He wanted to be his team and then LeBron showed up. And so, you know, I totally understand everything that came from that he decided to get out of there because he wanted to be in a situation that was like. His team that was more here than I have. Absolutely no problem with that on the stand where he's coming from completely. But I do think it's kind of funny that we give him credit for getting out in front of the disaster. That was obviously Cleveland was going to become however, that's what it would've been of. Lebron never showed up in the first place. Is there what I'm saying? Like, LeBron it never come there. He would be in a disaster because he'd been in disaster before when it was Kyrie's and DR weight is. DR? Wait is it all of this? I always gave us to kyri Correa knew about some LeBron didn't which is what has led to play in Cleveland LeBron in there. That's not like a real good idea to him when he was like twenty three as like, there's no way in the world. I'm doing is. Now is a grown, man. And he's up there Boston. They still trying to figure that out that comes with his own questions. But Louis y'all can have this bre. No, thanks. I I got gotta rain. Right. So like having that rain sets them up in a situation where if he does want to coach again, you gotta pay him big money go like, oh, look at the money somebody had paste Brooks just because it was Scott Brooks did when he was with thunder. When none of us think this guy brooch can coach the Dale. This is the big this the biggest win in the world. I I one level. I was like I don't see why didn't just resign after LeBron left. And then I realized gave he resigned the Brian. You wouldn't get his money all the way six games. Now. He gives every time you get an extension last year. Every time every time that is. I mean, I'm as no six games that he had to deal with or not necessarily that pleasant. But I feel like we do need to get his mad to measure credit f- Ness out. I bet he doesn't coach again. Fun. But he may more money coaching the evidence playing. Finis salute you, Mr. Lou. I will be back in a minute with if you haven't heard I, you know, what's not smart jobsites, it overwhelm you with tons of the raw resume, but you know, what is smart ZipRecruiter dot com slash Bomani. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find ZipRecruiter finds them for you. It's powerful matching. Technology scans thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job and actively vice them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast. No, more sorting through resumes. No more waiting for the right candidates to apply. 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The chips contain radio frequency identification chief RFID, which is found in Frederick cards and possibles on most key cuts used to get into hotels. Chips can be read by any devices to poke Snaith field communication NFC meaning most modern Android smartphones recognize they don't contain about cheese. So they don't need to be charged. But if he wants to replace. Him then to minus the idea that they negates the needs at things like physical cards will cost sicknesses essentially allowing for more efficient and friction transactions checkouts international borders on travel, the Swedish company hind this latest trend by hats say they installed more than four thousand in the five years since launched by who partnered with the Swedish national railway system. So that anybody wearing these chips can actually replace the paper tickets, so plastic travel cards in order to travel on Janis. There are of course of privacy concerns with some people were having these chips beneath the skin might to try. However, the people that actually have been vetted generally that the risk of having poss-. Poss cates. Or other information stolen is crates than having credit cards stolen from you for your cheese kitchen pockets since writing the story of had several people connects me about their experiences with these chips one person in America that I said that he had six of these chips and vetted in various positives body, each different function one of them, for example, used as bitcoin. I'm not sure why this craze is taken in Sweden, but another place where this trend taken off is in California, which makes a lot more sense, given the high concentration of technology companies in the area. We'd be interesting to see what this goes on. It might not be long before you. And I have these chips that it inside. Uh-huh. It will be long because I'm not doing Ned doll. Hey, man. I don't know how many people we listened in Sweden. But you know, maybe it's too late for them. Those yo here we go Wanda being slaves that he's robots 'cause y'all lazy you too lazy to reach in your pocket and get your car you too lazy to use apple or Samsung, pay Google you to you know, I don't need that. Right. You know, I remember when the car came out. Dave, you probably don't remember world without the check car, but check card. We always have the check card. The check card wasn't amazing level of convenience because now you didn't have to write checks, right? Like, you do not have to carry this cash, and you could just run your car. It was a beautiful thing when it happened. And you know, what every investment sister, check card has been kind of cool, but absolutely unnecessary. Absolutely unnecessary. Y'all. I hear getting chips in your body's for what you lazy bums. Yeah. This is kind of the next level of ease of use and privacy where you have the people who wanna put like tape over their camera on their phone because they don't wanna be, you know, they don't wanna be getting observed or whatever they don't wanna be getting hacked. So these people don't I guess they don't feel like they wanna use Apple Pay on their phone because they don't wanna get hacked. But then they still want the ease of use of just swipe and not having their wallet. How you going to trust a person who decided that the way to make money was put a microchip in your skin like a person you can trust. I may have to do some reporting this on my own and come back to you on it because my wife's dad actually works for this railway system. And so it'll be interesting to talk to them about it and kind of give you some inside info on how it actually works. If he hasn't already given up tell them to stand tall against tend to logical overlords. They under siege over there. The second story also comes from tech. Hello. My name is precious Ave. And I'm in technology correspondent for Reuters based in San Francisco so last week the talian government find both apple and Samsung five million euros or about five point seven million dollars each for basically using software updates to slow down their phones apple said, it did an issue. These software updates to intentionally slowdown phones. But they'd had the effect on these old phones with aging batteries of slowing down the performance of that apple set in the future. It would be more clear up front about it. And last year reduced the cost replace the battery. All that was really well known what hadn't been known as much was that Samsung was doing something similar with the galaxy note for back in two thousand fourteen it issued an update for the Android operating system. That led to all these malfunctions like automatic restarts. Really slow performance. Samsung said it didn't do anything that reduced the performance of the galaxy note for and that it would appeal the fine in decision from the Italian government still the talian government said that it did a months-long review of customer service records internal emails from Samsung, and it was clear that this Android update was not optimized for the device. So all of this raises interesting questions about the kind of information and warnings and disclaimers that apple and Samsung put in software updates to their phones. I just want to say it is because you know, that's good stuff to know. And everything right. But when this happened to government, you know, they they find them, folks. How about we get some light refunds, right? Can we get rebates? Like, I appreciate you. Putting it in the society became we individually gets rebates winter EBay be better. I would like a rebate in this. What they were kind of like halfway doing after apple I feel like they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar trying to do that last year here in the US. I think would Paresh alluded to earlier to was the reduce the cost of the battery. And they're like, oh, yeah. We're sorry about that. It's it's more related to the battery. You know, we'll give you a free battery or we'll give you like a cheap battery when really there. I mean, it's it's so clear what they're doing. A meanwhile, I'm still rocking. My phone four won't catch while I four sounds heady with. No, it's it's opposite heavy actually really it's very small. It's like. One one half the size of everyone else's iphone. So as software update, I you know, what actually do. My software update pretty often the unfortunate for it though. Is that I have to charge. My phone like three times a day. Is it Mike batteries just absolutely fried just be cheap? And just get a new fall. I think part of it is being cheap. But also part of it is the size of it. I just the iphone these days are so big. And I I'm not as toll in large of a person's you are us, fair large. That's funny. Got. It's interesting that all this is kind of happening a year after the fact that Italy here last year in apple still trying to get away with it. But now they're trying to get away with it other places too. Yeah. The they like, okay. Okay. Okay. Y'all got y'all got us. But don't tell nobody. Okay. Like like like, we between us like there's just no no sort of like international communication that goes on where people can't just Google. Like apple iphone software update trying to screw us over. Oh that happened last year. Well, I guess we can trend take some regal action. All right Bill. This last story comes from business. Amanda coletta. An I cover Canada as a freelance journalist for the Washington Post. My story is about the hundreds of workers who are leaving much coveted and relatively stable careers in traditional sectors of the economy for new roles in an uncertain fast. Moving industry in Canada, cannabis medical marijuana has been legal in Canada since two thousand one but on choper the seventeenth Canada ended a ninety five year long prohibition on the recreational use of the drug with pot legalized the number of job vacancies in what analysts say could be a multibillion dollar industry has surged it's not just the growing number of jobs in the space. That's fueling the migration experts say that the chance to join cannabis firms with sky high valuations as well as the opportunity to shape in industry where Canada has really leapfrogged right over the United States and could emerge as a world leader, make the sector attractive, many of the employees that I spoke to said that. They've you joining the industry as a chance to be a part of history. The jobs on offer run the gamut from bud tender. That's the person behind the counter at a cannabis suspensory who helps you to select your product to quality assurance specialists, which is exactly what it sounds like one Toronto based company raise RL's a few weeks ago when it put out a job posting for five quote unquote, cannabis Khanna sewers their job will be to sample various strains of marijuana. And to report back on the quality. It pays fifty dollars an hour for sixteen hours of work per month on top of a two hundred dollar expense account more than twenty thousand people applied for it. Despite the increase interest in the sector. There are still some snakes one of them is that since they can't abyss industry doesn't really have a true analog filling some of the physicians particularly on the cultivation side has been difficult growing cannabis isn't Mike rowing tomatoes is how one cannabis executive explained problem and other issue is that there's still some lingering. Stigma associated with working in the marijuana industry and others worry that working in the cannabis sector could present them with issues with border agents when travelling so. One. I would note that working in the league game. Now is the new I'm going to start a record label right everybody. Everybody going do it everybody. Everybody's does. Like, y'all. I'm just going to find a way to get into this. But gauge that woman just say this that they had a job that was paying you say twenty dollars an hour. People. Just go small we will. To be a Kona sewer. Define connoisseur because I'm sure a lot of people would like to consider themselves to become the sewers. I would also say that there's all right? So he would be the dilemma on that one and becomes again interesting shift here because the person that would be most qualified for that job. And I guess I don't know. How exactly you demonstrate your capability right is how do you list that on your resume? Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Exactly. How it is. They decide who the true connoisseurs are right? But to be a kata sewer out assume that requires you to smoke a lot of weed, right, which heretofore is not necessarily been the most attractive thing to employers. How do you find this careful balance of someone that has the experience nowadays you need? But it's also somebody that you want to hire does remind me as to what about buddies to drug test for job at a Bank and he failed to drug test and he walked into GNC because he bought some kind of system flush and he walked in and he has his money back because he did not pass the drug test, and they did not give him his money back, but he did walk out with the job. Oh, yeah. Impressive. Right. Right. He he managed to manage to make that situation work. But now, you've got all kinds of people just like, you know, I think, you know, the cannabis industry is growing thing. And I just think I could probably like, yeah. Probably think I could apprentices also used to weed, and then you have like twenty thousand people apply to the same job. And you got the HR people just looking at YouTube videos of dudes bone smoke rings. Yeah. They talk about there is no analogue to the cannabis industry. Well, they're Condie's people selling we'd like to say that this is the twos, allies and everything else. Then like all the cultivation side. I don't think that's hard to find. As you think it is. You just wasn't. That'd be looking in the right places. It's like I think there's an app for that. Yeah. Yeah. A little harder draws me. Hey, this is Bomani. You have reached the right voice mails, say whatever you want get creative with it. But this is your place to talk back to show back base money. So we put out for stories of the one time that is liberty tried to studio girl, and we got some good ones. This first one comes from Jeff in Alabama. In how? My wife and our big Bama feigns. We're in Birmingham for the. Get invited for four. Of X Alabama football players. He tells us all the house ago from a good time with. Thing over who owns the part Mosul theories. I'm like, okay cool theory shows up. No coming. Hey, more days, if you want to meet them get a picture, you know out. Pixelbook player, not my thing. But that's one of my wife favorite player. So she picture. Martha areas walks up picture with my wife and. Says to her what hey how you doing? I'm more fair. And then he says. Maybe we get together. She says, no, I'm near. He doesn't know. I'm the guy holding the phone, and he proceeds after she she down to everybody before everybody. Go home. Johnson his car turned traffic. Takes off and the. Lynn looks at me and say, hey, I don't know what you're doing. But your wife, you turned down just a hundred million dollars country. He say, you're all right with me. But we never got invited to one of his. As my store. Day. I think this is one of those stores that Marceau Darius hopes that no one ever saw hurt. Yeah. Say I bet he don't tell the story. Bolted out of there and fuel down the street. The funny part about it to him trying to treat a bar as if it's like a house party. Oh, no. We gotta shut this down everybody. Go home. What do you mean? Going home places open for business right now CeCe told everybody to leave. Story. Number two comes from John Austin, Texas had to get on here and share my story. Probably about let's say. Six years ago seven years ago when Donald lover, which is blowing up really and the time he was on four four was stand up and half before was. The new show right performance everything going well. And I started dating barista. She works host where I work at banks in trying to talk for a long time. The show. She wasn't even sure who this was this point. Enjoyed. It's breaking a former layers to show stand up. Stand up and show, you know. With she'd been sued house blues as Houston, you know, a few times before around sometime around there, and they, you know, some hours and come out, okay. Time doing myself with the win on buses twenty minutes any times out, and I gotta tell you one of the coolest levity that I've ever been person. Time. He's talking everybody dander by the is, you know. Myself. Yes. Talk to me, he turns and makes direct contact my girl, and she is just. I just love and his days. Just let us know win. They would know. Hey, look at him. And I look at her. I'm trying to I'm trying to make a good impression in this. How you both do me dirty right now, the whole home. Need to be glad she wound up in a car. What did if anybody go give us wanted him stores? They talk about when they lost a little Twitter. Boy, you learn Caspi lose it. But yeah, it was well what I wanna know is added. She did get her number because I feel like he did. Yeah. I mean, it seems like maybe only giving us half the story there. Yeah. Seeing the, you know, the the meeting of the is. Yeah. And that's all we're getting the description of there may be something giving the half. He knows oh boy, you know, three thousand store. This last one comes from Germain in South Carolina. Jemaine? Yeah. Famous schools Margarito. So I'm in the air force. I used to be fishing down leanna and every year we ever air show and a lot of years. They would call our special guest come in and his year. She worked in public affairs. She's come to be and calm alone. What's come to base in? She told me Oklahoma homecoming invasion third. Oh, okay. I wasn't gonna go to the air show. 'cause there's a lot of traffic thing. And each volunteer. Because I mean, I never missed anything from alone. Plus, I mean, he's dream team members. So come on bass meet the man shake your fan. I mean, he's huge. She's still in great shape thing. This is out twelve years ago. Now, I go get autograph. He's real nice everything like that. And I. Later. Whenever is over. I'm going to hit home and she calls me back about a couple hours later like. Yeah. So calm alone. Tried to get me. And I say what you mean? Exactly. She's like, yeah. After you less or whatever there are a lot of hand during some of the the rise across base, they did a little like a gas station flying. I guess they had them up the helicopters, very, touchy feely and St.. What are you doing tonight, blah, blah, blah? And then I understood exactly why people like Toby. Carl malone. Yeah. I'm gonna win that girl anymore light. That's my ex wife now, but just for a due to know that the husband came to autograph. You won't be nice everything. Like when he leaves you something like that. Nah. Nah. Bre I had a package for the mailman. It was slowed on. Show Jada all the free time. Yeah. Five star. You man. Wow. I don't have anything really to say I do as gate it. Did we have anybody who told the truth about the time? They lost all these stories about guys. How about my white? Ain't none of the losers called. Nope. Really? This is a safe space. But that yeah, that's disappoint because I've asked all Twitter cats great stories about losing all these cats. Well, we'll give it to the dude in the middle. He lost he short term one. But he lost the thing about the last one to is that in saying that he's no longer with this woman. He could be alluding to the fact that something did have I think that story had a different message, which you simply call the load is the worst. I was apprised. Hey, Carl Malone before to be honest. I I don't know single Karl Malone stand not a one. I know a lot of people that hate Carl Malone wouldn't have that this was about Karl Malone. I was like, oh, we gotta get this one in the car will Ono the he he was right in right on time. It is with his problem. Yeah. I mean him alluding to the Karl Malone. And Kobe story that one. Yeah. Very similar of similar situation. 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Changes in Cleveland

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With the Boston Red Sox being the World Series champions after dismantling the dodgers in five games in the World Series. But they're Boston. I'm a native New Yorker. So I'm allergic to doing that not gonna lead with the Boston Red Sox, although they are worthy of talking about. I'll give to them in just a second. I'll get to week eight of the National Football League second season in just a few minutes. And of course, I'll talk about LeBron James committing what I would deem to be a blessing from this act on Twitter as taste of Michael Jordan over this weekend last night to be exact I ought business in all seriousness. However. As a firing that took place in the National Football League this year today this morning to be exact Hugh Jackson for the Cleveland Browns has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He is no longer to coach he was fired a couple of hours ago by the Browns organization. Obviously they've struggled this year to say the least they lost yet again to the Pittsburgh Steelers lost their Todd early in the season opener. They lost to the Steelers yesterday their record. Now stands at two five and one at the halfway point of the season. Two of their last three games have been double digit losses to likely AFC playoff teams. I might add. And so we look at it from that perspective. And obviously when you look at Hugh Jackson's wreckage was one and thirty one coming into this season in the first two years at the helm for the Cleveland Browns did two five and one now that would make his record three thirty six and one as a head coach. As much as I got love for him. And what have you let's be real about him not about city and tell you make a case you Jackson should have remained the head coach for the Cleveland Browns. I don't think anybody would sense could do that. I would like to point out to some things though, some things that are incredibly important that I think you take into consideration. We thinking about these kinds of things number one you take into account the moruban franchise that was the Cleveland Browns. And how it was so bad that Sashi Brown and John Podesta baseball guy and a football and the lyrics guy or whatever, but nobody had ever run a franchise. That's why John Dorsey came in general manager. I think he's been doing a great great job since he has arrived. Obviously he believes in structure and chemistry and cohesiveness. He looked at picks the Jared drab draft him Baker Mayfield taking Denzel ward with fourth overall pick having a defense that's been very very impressive for the most part this year understanding that the most comport important and compel. Point for this franchises to ensure the development and growth of a Baker Mayfield. Clearly, Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson were not on the same page. Clearly that was the case. And when you look at Todd Haley's reputation as an offensive coordinator, let's be real, ladies and gentlemen, his reputation is an offensive coordinator is more reputable, Hugh Jackson's reputation is as a head coach even though Hugh Jackson did a pretty damn good job as offense coordinator in Cleveland and didn't do a bad job when he was the head coaching Oakland years ago before Reggie McKenzie came in and let him go in the end what we have to look at this. We have to look at a couple of things. My belief that the right decision was made. And at Hugh Jackson should have been relieved of his duties is basically because of what I've seen from Hugh Jackson in game conferences over the last few weeks. Throwing is under the bus calling guys out in public. As hard to do, ma'am. When when when when you record is three thirty six at one or all your in route to that record and your fresh off a one and thirty one record over the previous two years. It's pretty hard to be pointing the finger at anybody else. So that's just not a good look on a part of Hugh Jackson. The other thing that I would like to say is this, and I'm very very sensitive to what I'm about to say. Hugh Jackson, those of you who may not know. Hugh Jackson, lost his mom. Hugh Jackson lost his brother all in the two week span. And when stuff like that happens to you your temperament is not going to be the same. It just isn't the level of professionalism and decorum, the political correctness. The things that you are droid at avoiding and tempering the some degree and keeping cool about it's far more difficult to do that. Where you're going through tragedies. We're going through a devastating loss. Let me just say I know from experience, and I'll leave it at that. It's an incredibly incredibly tough thing to deal with all your bearings are not there. You're not the same. And look if Hugh Jackson and know what he was experiencing or what have you? There does come appoint. And Tom where you know, what certain things are a bit too much for you. And when you combine that with the fact that he's got an offensive and defensive coordinator working under him. But I don't believe was selected by him to individuals and Greg Williams and Todd Haley the defensive and the offense coordinator, respectively who have great reputations. Even though Greg Williams associated with bountygate. The bottom line is nobody would question his accurate as defensive coordinator. Nobody would question. Todd Haley's accurate as an offensive coordinator, and what they were able to accomplish in their respective roles throughout the NFL careers. Nobody's going to question and tell you that right now and one of the jokes that circulate throughout NFL circles. Is that if you walked up to any of them, they will come across like they invented the game of football because they believe they are that knowledgeable about the game of football, particularly as it pertains to their. Oh, so how receptive were they going to be listening to Hugh Jackson? It was it was an explosion in the making or an implosion in the making. It was very very predictable. So when you hear you Jackson coming out and questioning the judgment of Todd Haley, anybody else it shouldn't be surprising. And as a result, not should his dismissal. The fact is is that the Cleveland Browns should be better than what they are. The fact is is that if your door see you don't need those kind of distractions. And that's exactly what you got. In this particular situation as Hugh Jackson was at the helm. And there's no other way to put this it didn't appear as if he gone the respect of his subordinates if that's the situation, and that's what you're dealing with. If you're a general manager overseeing all of that, you gotta make the call, and you gotta make the requisite unnecessary changes. There is no way around it. No way around it. That's what happened. That's why he Jackson is gone. And that's why the Cleveland Browns going to have a new coach. When their next game takes place. It is just that simple. Eight say ESPN that's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six listening right here. Stephen Smith show, ESPN radio and ESPN news. So that's one of the material. I wanted to get into the other one. Was involving the Green Bay Packers in their loss to the Los Angeles Rams yesterday afternoon. I know Todd Gurley is a study that don't take away from how lucky the Rams war yesterday because we all know that with the Packers trail and twenty nine at twenty seven with two oh five remaining in Sunday's game set to receive the ball on a kick off. We all know good damn. Well, what was going to happen? You can slice it. Anyway, you want to don't act like you didn't know what was about to go down. Aaron Rodgers was about to get the ball with two minutes left and needing nothing. More than a field goal to win the game. I mean, please. I mean, please this is Aaron Rodgers we talking about here, we all know that. Mayan that he is what he was about to do. Somehow, someway, it got messed up was it messed up because Mike McCarthy. No wasn't messed up because a pack as brass. Nope. Was a messed up because Packer secondary notoriously bad, but who showed up and played well yesterday. No, it was not. What happened in the Rams twenty nine twenty seven win yesterday at LA Coliseum versus the Green Bay Packers venue in which the last time Aaron Rodgers played in a football game there. He was a college football player playing for Cal. And that completed this first twenty three passes. And that every rajas who has grown up into a grown, man. And without question. The greatest quarterback. My eyes have ever seen. Was waiting for the football come his way with two minutes and five seconds left. Time on gunnery. Running back. For the Green Bay Packers was fully expected to kneel down for the touch back when he received a ball in the end zone. Why? Because coach Mike McCarthy and the staff had directly instructed him to do so. Instead time gunnery catches the ball two yards. Deep. And instead of taking a knee. This dude decides to raise up the middle of the field. He decided to run the football. He decides to ignore his coaches orders and what the team for the expected. They weren't even looking platform. Remember? Because everybody knows that he was instructed to take a knee. This disaster run it out why because he salty because he was mad that he was being taken out of the game. He was mad that he wasn't getting the football took him down slammed it down and was acting petulant on the sideline according to anonymous teammates. So he comes out. He runs the football Costas the twenty yard line. And get hit by the Rams were Mick Wilson. Ramic wilson. Football gets this lodged. Goes onto a Paul falls right into the arms of the Rams. And that was that. And that was at seventy five thousand eight hundred and twenty two fans showed up at the Coliseum laser gentlemen. Most of them Pakistan's you thought it was a home game at Lambeau Field for crying out loud. But I'll tell you the right now, I saw a whole bunch of people walking up to government because obviously the fumble gave the Rams football all need. It was a couple of I as they got it ran out the clock games over including. Tog early who bought away hat are a run into the end zone, but stopped short of it to take to go down. So the clock would run out showing an incredible level of unselfishness immediately after time on Gumri exhibited in a long level of selfishness when he was on a bench on the sidelines looking completely despondent. And what have you? And Ammon, and you know, you had teammates coming over to Pat him on the shoulder. Pat him on a Hillman, all Arron Rogers didn't do that era's looked at him. As like you. Gotta be kidding me. Walk over there way. Handing them said something him. Looking completely disgusted and had every damn right to let me be very very clear about what I'm about to say time, gummy should be cut immediately. Again. Tom Gumri should be cut immediately immediately without question. The first thing might McCarthy. Mr Murphy and everybody in between for the Packers organization. They should have his bags packed. He should be sent on his way. And I'm gonna tell you why that was flagrant insubordination. That was flagrant subordination somebody asking you to do something that compromise your manhood, that's entirely different. Somebody asking you to do your job this perfectly inbounds. It's in his job description to do well because the Asiedu it aims to run. The football is to be instructed on when to run as well. He wasn't asked to do something in violation of his professionalism as manhood or anything in between he was mandated to do his job and ignored orders. And by the way, can I get a bit more. Can I can I can crystallize it for y'all. How agreed just this was it's a two point game. It's two minutes, five seconds left. When it kickoff takes place by the time. He runs the football and fumbles as one fifty six remaining. Amran? Raj is getting the ball the Green Bay Packers. Like stews me. Aaron Rodgers the bettas man on the planet. We're waiting for him to get the ball because we know what about away. Geronimo Alison, I mean, you got devante atoms. That was balling. Okay. Got Dante Adams was balling yesterday along with several others. You look at what they were doing that LA secondary tick Yuli Marcus beat us. What was the problem? You got all you gotta do is cake to knee and give the ball Aaron Rodgers. Aaron raj. And you refuse you ignore the coaches instructions and go out there and do what you want to do. This is not a mistake. Ladies and gentlemen. This is flare Grint insubordination flagrant insubordination and total disregard for the great at what arguably the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. I mean, you talk about something. And it's terrible. I don't know how much inexcusable that gets to that principle. You don't disobey the coach's orders to begin with? But Secondly, more importantly, it ain't like he asked you to disobey. So you can give the ball of Blake Bortles ally. Manning. This banning. He's asking you to take a knee to give the ball to rushes. Rudge's is an excusable. It's an excusable. Nobody in their right Mark justify what time on Gumri day yesterday. And I'm reading off of an article from NFL dot com. Listen to this amant as an era Raja's was hot one Packers coach said and he had a right to be he yelled, take an F in knee. He was very very mad, and quote, I'm Reid. I'm gonna continue to read this and is many Rogers of Rogers teammates. His was justifiable. According to more than a half dozen Packers players and coaches who witnessed it Montgomery had thrown a tantrum of his own on green based previous offensive series becoming noticeably enraged on the sideline after being removed from the game. At least one player believed. There was carryover from that incident to Montgomery decision to disregard his coaches instruction. And returned the kickoff quote. They took him out the previous dry for a play. And he slammed as him. And threw a fit one Packers players said then before the kickoff, they told him to take a knee, and he ran it out. Anyway, you know, what that is? That was him saying I'm gonna do me. It's an F in joke. I mean, what the F are you doing? We've got every Rogers the best I've ever seen and you're going to take that risk. I mean, it's number twelve all you gotta do is give him the bowl. And you know, what's gonna happen? This is from teammates of time Montgomery on the Green Bay Packers. How can you bring that man in the locker room after that? How can you do that? There are sixteen games in NFL season. Every game is incredibly valuable and you're going to get the undefeated team widely recognized right now as the best in football on their home turf. You not only take their crowd away. You're in position to take their game away, and you exercise that level of insubordination. I mean, you gotta be kidding me is an absolute travesty on his part. And it's inexcusable you should cut him immediately. Or at least spend them at least suspend them. Maybe you don't wanna cut up because you don't have anything to replace him. And you don't wanna go someplace else where he can hurt. You. I got that part. But dammit, sit them down suspend them. Let them sit on the sidelines in uniform don't allow them to play for you do something to you. Can't let them get away with that. He basically said screw the whole team. All y'all. Kick rocks. I'm upset I don't give a damn what jar want. Cat. That's not a winner. That's not even somebody trying to win. I mean, hell legitimate argument could be at not that. I believe this for one second because I saw his contrition on the bench and one avenue, and I don't believe for one second. But I'm just saying when you act that kind of way I'm wondering why people in the queues for fumbling on purpose? It eight say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six got some other breaking news for y'all that just came down to pike apparently. Hugh Jackson was not the only person that was fired this morning by the Cleveland Browns. Apparently. Offensive coordinator. Todd Haley who I just finished talking about. He's about to be far too. I'm sorry. He is fired. They got the ninth ranked Russian attack but the twenty four th ranked offense because the twenty four and points of point scored their twenty fourth in yards are registered twenty fourth in terms of their passing attack. Although they've got the ninth Russian attack. He's five two. I'm wondering whether or not Greg Williams defensive coordinator is going to be next their twenty four th defensively. Twenty eight yards allowed twenty six against the pass twenty eighth against the run if Todd Haley he's going to Hugh Jackson's gone, I'm wondering whether or not Greg Williams is going to be gone. I'm just wondering right now. It is what it is Cleveland Browns head coach Hugh Jackson offense coordinator, Todd Haley who couldn't get on the same page when it came to Baker Mayfield have both been fired. You know, what that says to me John now everybody there's about Baker Mayfield. They can fill the number one overall pick your quarterback, evidently, they're not pleased with the development, and they're blaming both of them, especially if Greg Williams remains if Greg warriors remains then that means this is about Todd Haley and Hugh Jackson both failing endorse these is to develop Baker Mayfield accordingly. He was pretty beat up yesterday by the Steelers, by the way, by the way when you're hiring. You don't wanna waste time sorting through dozens of relevant resumes. Do you want an official way to get to a short list of qualified candidates? That's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes set of screening questions based on your job requirements zero and qualified candidates using intuitive online dashboard. Discover why three million businesses use indeed for hiring post the job today and indeed dot com slash higher. Search for greatness search? Indeed, learn what affects your credit scores and what you can do to improve them with credit karma. 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