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MEGA Pod: Harris Trade, Bullock Trade, Wall Injury, Mock All-Star Draft

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1:49:58 hr | 1 year ago

MEGA Pod: Harris Trade, Bullock Trade, Wall Injury, Mock All-Star Draft

"And we had just finished recording. As about to go downstairs and watch one television show with my wife before bed. But no at just after eleven thirty Pacific time block BUSTER trade. This is beyond anything that. I thought the Sixers would do we'd talked about the maybe trying to get some kind of rotation piece going forward, but to grab to bias Harris was well beyond what I thought they might consider Danny what are the full parameters of this absolute blockbuster the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers are receiving Tobias Harris bulb on Mariana vich and Mike Scott and the Los Angeles Clippers are receiving Landry. Shamet Wilson Chandler, Mike Miskel, Philadelphia's own twenty twenty first rounder which is lottery protected for three years, then would become two seconds. If it has not yet conveyed Miami's twenty twenty one protected first and then Philadelphia's owned twenty twenty one and twenty twenty three second round picks while just. The value here is so interesting to talk about I want to actually start with that first before we talk about what these teams will look like on the floor. What it means for their future financial situations? Bogue on Mike, Scott. Those two guys were expiring contracts. I think Scott Lexi play for the Sixers off the bench unless they get somebody else. He he can fulfill somewhat the role that Moscow was playing probably do a better job of it. Certainly offensively bovin to get in the mix for some backups that are minutes against larger teams thing go with Bolden was small teams again, assuming they're done which I don't think they're going to be because they will certainly be active in the buyout market at the minimum. So basically, though what you're looking for here is Harris that Miami twenty twenty one unprotected is maybe the best pick that's out there. Maybe second best that Memphis picked that. The Celtics have going forward Phillies lotto protected first rounder, and then Shamet who I think has played well enough this year that you can kind of look at him as another first round pick. This is you know to dig it as to I run. Picks on the twenty s and then a first round that, you know, probably going to be at least in the lottery with by me. And then the two seconds as well, though. Those are again going to be likely a low by twenty twenty three who knows where all these guys are going to be but likely those are Pixar in the second half, the second round not that valuable for a guy. Who's on an expiring contract? He does of a small capital relative to what he's expected to get in free agency. But he is a free agent. He can leave. The Sixers are going to have to pay him a lot of money. Maybe not quite the Mex. But probably pretty close to it. You would imagine with all the cap room that is out there. What do you think of that Tobias Harris for that package? Given his free agent status coming up here just in a vacuum. I think it's a pretty significant overpay. I liked by parents. I think that he can be a useful part of team. I mean, he he's been an important part of what the clippers have done this year. But I did not have him as an all star. He was you know, he was in the loosely considered section of my Western Conference ensure Western Conference all stars was a tougher field. By far than the east. Paris is twenty six now he will turn twenty seven over this off season. And you know, it's great the last two years actually the longer than that. He's been a forty percent three point shooter. Now for I think this is would be his fourth season in third or four season row. If it continues, all we'll see we'll see if it does. Oh, no, never mind. That was because he played on teams last year was only only last year and this year that he's been over forty but he's a career thirty seven percent in points. You go I buy that. He can continue shooting forty percent. I do I do shoot. He does. And and Tobias Harris, I think that he can function reasonably well on and off the ball. I worry a little bit that there another kind of too many cooks type of situation where? Yeah. Yeah. You have another guy who can do more with the ball. But how often are those opportunities to present themselves, especially because it sounds like they're intending on starting Rettig. Butler Simmons Tobias Harris in Joel Embiid. That's a lot of guys who like the ball in their hands. And he is better off ball than a lot of the guys in that mix. I mean Simmons. Most notably. But I'd be that. There was something cool that they were doing in the cook in clipper land with him and Gallinari together. And you can't replicate that with all these other guys out there Harris being the fourth best defender on his team is going to be fascinating. Like just the amount of length. And switch ability Riddick notwithstanding that this team has now in their starting five is fascinating. And they have a little bit of time to integrate it this year. But yes, so we're talking about like is Tobias Harris worth that especially when you consider that for me. He is not one of those players who a mock max contract is a value there. Lebron is the most obvious example here they're not to me like he on a max contract, even the more optimistic people. I mean, if you base off of what he's done over his career. And yet, it's a great story. He's blossomed so much since Orlando traded him for basically, nothing that's guys still at a max contract is I think that's you know, maybe it's fair value. If you're an optimist. And for me, I think it would be a slight not big negative value. And then you talk about opportunity costs and all this other type of things. So that's a lot. And because he's an unrestricted free agent. He doesn't have deep ties to the to the area or anything like that in terms of his history with team. I don't think that he's from there or anything because he went to Tennessee. So I don't I don't think he has deep deep connections. I could be wrong on that. I just don't know them. So you're taking a huge risk. He has a ton of leverage here because he can just leave. And so if if he would rather take a three plus one with another team, you could just say, hey, give me give me the full boat or something close to it. And maybe you end up in into Roseanne landing or something. That's not quite there. But is still very lucrative. So I mean, this reminds me of I mean Elton brand is a very new GM. This reminds me a lot of the types of moves that the coach GM hybrids would make of like, hey, this makes us a lot better for right now. We'll deal with the consequences when they come the this is one of those things were better payoff in remember, Jimmy. Butlers, also regent. Now, there is some insurance here. If one of these guys leaves they still have the other one, and they could still have not quite MAC slot. But still plenty of when you go and get someone now, of course, JJ Radic would have to be brought back this if they do hold onto Butler and Harris that actually helps them because you wanted to stay over the cap and hopefully with Rettig your they can pay him they'll have early bird rights on him with that twelve billion. So they'd be able to pay Rettig as well up to one hundred seventy five percent of last year's salary. So that should be enough to keep him in the voles Yemeni years that takes but now he doesn't eat up their cap room. So you're kind of getting another slot here for a Major Guy by making this move. If you retain all through those guys Radic Harris and Butler, but you think about this in terms of just the assets required. You're either trading for Tobias Harris who's about to start a I don't know five year one hundred and fifty million dollar deal. His max would start at thirty two point seven for next year. So you'd be hopeful that you could get them. Thirty million euro per five years or maybe it's four years, and it's a hundred and forty seven million if it's only four years with the eight percent races. That's that's gonna be. I mean, the separate kings would offer a four years for Tobias Harris at the max in a heartbeat. You know, they're going to have a ton of room. So I mean, they're they're very likely going to have to come correct me. They can get a little bit of a discount on that five year the four year, but not much shoot. He's could be at least thirty billion dollar your player. You have to imagine. So trading for him on that contract. And you're giving up essentially three first round picks two of them. Not that great. But and also this is we don't know what other paths they are now foreclosing. And this is it now they just have their twenty nineteen pick. They now can't trade until the draft. Even if they wanted to and then your twenty twenty two and beyond picks can be traded most likely assuming they'll be in the playoffs for those lottery. Protect two picks to go or put to pit to go. And I'm not sure about this fit in Philly. Now, it is an excellent fit because he can really really shoot the ball. They are gonna be ext. Stream difficult to stop and then Brett Brown, and that filial it except they love to get guys out of the game early mix and match units. So presumably the they'll be some chances for Harissa to work with the bond his hands a little bit more probably will be reduced to mostly spot up role. When he's playing with the starters. You said he's the fourth best defender. I think that's very clear to be out think he's really a positive defensively, he's cut size. So maybe there's a hope that executive just get overpowered. If you have to switchable a bit of the prune read silk can have Joel Embiid behind him. Obviously, the Joel and beat posts ups are gonna get a lot easier with the main unit. This also, actually, I'm sure no Billy would say this by not even thinking it. But if you have Harrison Butler, it would make it easier to trade Simmons for some other guys would fit. Maybe that's the only other move that. They would have at this group of they bring everyone back in it doesn't work. There is one other one who wants to. Yeah. And that is if Jimmy Butler left for whatever reason if JJ read you'd have to clear Rex capital as well. They would have. Just around enough money for a seven to nine max contract. Yeah. So because device Harris's cancelled as lower than that number, theoretically. But I don't know who the hell that guy would be. I mean, you if you're losing Jimmy Butler. I don't think like Kawhi Leonard is sitting there going. Oh my God. I wanna I wanna go there. Maybe you could do something with like, let's say Kemba or something like that you could get somebody in the mix there. So you have a little bit of a little bit of risk mitigation there. But you're adding a lot of it, and I wouldn't be surprised at all. And then preliminary stuff we were recording this pretty soon after the trade happen that a lot of people who do not think about things the way that we do. And I'm not saying that we're brilliant or anything like that will talk about how this trait is such a big win for the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers because hey, it's vice Harris's really good basketball player. You got him. They gave up so much to give him the leverage for that contract. And I don't hey, I don't think he's worth it. And be why is it? Why is he the answer to all all the stuff that held them? And why are they going to now bench? Simmons and Joel Embiid or both in their you know, their mid twenties. They don't have to be like this year. You know, it's by terrorists. You know us getting close to his prime. He's not going to age as well. As other guys, not not a great fit. And if you're going to throw all of your stuff into the into the mix couldn't they have done this for somebody else. Yeah. That's a good who or maybe get a guy who is eighty five percent of Tobias Harris and keep a lot of these assets to try to improve otherwise, I think. Yeah. You mentioned how young those guys are that's true. But you know, once they made the move for Butler, and because there's so much work that they needed to do in the rotation. I did advocate the making a move and potentially a big this is even bigger than I necessarily expected them in terms of what they've thrown in here. But again, I would like someone who knows maybe better on defense Tobias Harris and maybe a little bit worse on offense, but can still shoot. Now with that have been say Harrison Barnes from Dallas. If he would have opted in for. Another year. Would he think Barton's is probably a little better? I think defensively than heiresses certainly guarding larger players, you might say Harris, obviously is a much better shooter. But you I do think this the pick and roll ability that Harrison shown he thought agree passer. But not a great guy gave you the Rimmer getting followed either. But he he's a little bit to larger caliber for what they need in terms of offense. And I could've used a little bit more of a three in d archetype ties a guy who have come a little bit cheaper. Now, who is that not really sure we've talked about some of the guys that they could trade for. And we thought maybe what they might do is try to use some of those assets to get a guy who could play now, but it's still on a rookie contract or somebody's cheating, Tori, and prince probably maybe not good enough for them. But also if they wanted to go this route are they that much better with Tobias Harris as opposed to a healthy, Nicole Amir Tich this year mere probably about the same as Harissa as a spot up shooter, Harris Aloom more versatile defensively can do more off the dribble. So we'll see and I still think. Have a little bit more work to do at the back on the rotation gave bo-bottle will help a little bit. But he's probably not going to play in the playoffs. So I think they still need a little bit of help it backup center in they could use one more defensive guard on the perimeter. I would try and move McConnell to just to try to get someone who fits a little bit better with Simmons. Of course as well. But but canal's ruled can probably be minimized. That's another thing may be complaint him Las because you've got that ball handling from Harris. Yeah, you're going to or unisex I might have missed it. But I don't think you they can't acquire him. But Robert Covington would be a better fit for what? The Sixers team needs little. Yeah. I mean, they can't incidentally, Dario church would I charge? This is a different kind of question. He's not the archetype Covington is, but he is another guy that would be useful for this team. And it's so weird to see them throw their assets into two deals like this. And I mean, you could construct this at a lot of different ways where they would have ended up with the Sixers team that I would be happier with personally than the team that they have now which is bizarre, but I wanna pivot to the clippers and one thing that this isn't the most important thing for them. But I wanna. This is so that the podcast is completed. Inaccurate. The picks the second round picks that are going to fill it out to to the clippers in. This are not Philadelphia's own second round picks. They are Detroit's which are better to me than Philadelphia's picks like those are more desirable. So unprotected and all that kind of stuff. Those are picked that that Philly dot in. Thomas Thomas, the tire Thomas trade, which we talk about you know, what will be a later part of this podcast. So that that's another another piece of this. That is important mention. And so that's a good transition unless you have more that you want to say on the Sixers. Well, let's talk a little bit. I mean, if the Sixers make the NBA finals this year, and they recite these guys maybe this all becomes worth it, maybe. And also if they resign these guys, and then you take Ben Simmons up to a max in the summer of twenty twenty you know, that's going to be a very high payroll. That's going to be a tax team four sherve. And you're gonna have a think about that. That's four guys probably making over thirty million, Ben Simmons. Yeah. I mean by that point even the twenty five percent max will be close to thirty million. He could even be end up being dozen native player as well. If you makes it all and be a team, so that's community negotiation. So you're talking about hundred over one hundred twenty million for four guys and that will only go up at eight percent per year. Basically in dad is just a massive massive number. So damn will better be a championship contender of your. They. It will be again, though. I just go back to with how much money they're spending, and what it took together them. I still think there's just a better fit out there to me than Tobias are especially you know, because he's having a career. And I think he's he's just he's a little overqualified what they need offense of Lee and underqualified for what they need defensively to me at this point. And what other I just want to reiterate this point? I am very concerned that the whole will be less than some of their parts because they have all the and that was true with the Simmons Butler Embiid situation, and while Tobias Harris makes elements of that easier. He also will not be able to use his full complement talented guy. Like McConnell can be an maybe he'll just want to leave because of that too. You know, what I mean, what what if things don't go well here, and he's just like, you know, what like you just heavy Santa Cornell Brown system does involve a lot of moving the ball. And but maybe now Jimmy Butler is gonna feel it. I mean, he Butler and beat already already felt like they weren't getting enough touches. And so this is probably gonna exasperate that so much what they do is JJ ready. Running off screens a as well. So as that I mean, that's some of their most effective action. Is that gonna be now reduced a little bit as well? Maybe it has to be and he just has to spot up. Yeah. Something I'm thinking about is. I think Feldman with this up a little while ago of guys that had the highest combined usage rates the prior year and then became teammates because Tobias Harris Twenty-three five usage rate last year, adding him into all this mix largely replacing guys like Wilson Chandler who who haven't had it as much like this is a team of guys that are very used to being a big part of their offense. And we'll see what else Philly can come up with them. And they don't have enough much more ammo to make trimming that they've still got second round. They had a million coming in here. But I thought because of the expense as well, it kind of made more sense to go after maybe not Taurean prince himself, but someone along those lines, and I mean, if you're willing to make this kind of an offer would you rather have someone who's on a rookie contract who's good? And again, you know of thought my head here just letting the sink it now who that might have been other than prince. I'm not entirely sure. But. To have them be still an asset on his contracts as opposed to donors going to be pretty darn expensive going forward here in Harris. Maybe that would have been better. But we'll see maybe the same. Just looks awesome. I in agreement with you. I'm not like, oh, man. These guys the papers in east right now. But by any stretch because they got this got me. I think they're going to be nasty on offense. They still need a couple more pieces. What's so funny about this is they're still high ceiling relatively low for for how for how good their talent level is like that that doesn't function? It changes a little bit with this. But it doesn't affect that part of it relative to the other teams in the he's like they're going to be moments when this team looks like world leaders, but can they do it for a whole playoffs? And remember how little overall experience? This team has Tobias Harris does not give them a whole lot of playoff experience considering he has played a total of four playoff games in his NBA career. Let's turn to the clippers out of this. Now. So good. It's so good. I this is everything that we've been bitching about with your Charlotte's and your Detroit's and your Washington. Oh, we gotta chase the eighth seed note, these guys actually have some fucking ambition. And I love it like it is Tobias Harris on this mex- contract going forward. Even if you got quiet Leonard that wasn't going to be a positive asset gay. He had the cap old twenty two million. But still you're gonna have to give him a massive massive deal. He's out there. I don't think he's that good. And at the absolute highest level of this. He's being brought in for Philly to be their fourth piece. You can't pay your fourth piece thirty million dollars a season on a long-term delight that just doesn't work in a Harris's kind of a third piece may be on a really good team. But not that versatile defensively and the clippers got bigger game to go after. And now they've got some ammo with that twenty twenty one Miami pick. They've got Shamet they've got this other Philly pick. They've got shaved. Maybe if they wanna use him as well. Now, you're starting to get into the conversation a little bit. They still got Gallo for some gnashing salary that maybe they could get into the. AD sweepstakes. Maybe they could get into the sweepstakes for the next star that becomes available, and they still didn't hurt their cap space at all you can argue even helped it because they felt like they're gonna get guys who are gonna be better than Tobias Harris with that cap room. And so his small capital wasn't really worth it as much for them this summer, and this is just as we said in the open before he started talking about at team specifically, it's just a great asset play. And where were you really going this year? Seventh seed eighth seed at best prime more likely than not now that LeBron is back to not make the playoffs us as for his look pretty good, certainly the clip scale out worst this year. But they're not like oh bid. You'll we are fans will be so upset if we don't chase the this. They just have ambition. And I think this is they're also much more likely now to keep their own pick this year rather than convenient to Boston. And I want to give a lot of credit twos that glow and Kevin arnovitz who talked about the possibility that Harris could be traded the possibility that some in the organization might quietly whisper that they don't care about making the playoff. Offs. And apparently the only good of making the playoffs. This year for the seam was impressing, some free agent making it look like they're good. But then up to those guys were leaving anyway in free agency this year. So ultimately, they realize and hope that it doesn't matter the optics of having gotten killed in the first round versus winning thirty eight games and not making the playoffs. So they made this deal, and they just look so much better. Both for traits Antic even for this off season as well going forward. I just love everything about this for the clippers. I think it's totally visionary. And really impressed with it. It might be unfair of me. But my first thought when I saw this trade from the clippers perspective was Jerry West is in their room. And that's a very good day for them. Because I couldn't imagine him being a voice saying why don't we wanna get knocked out in the first round. Like that exactly that expectation and Tobias Harris. You know, he's a good player is he a great player is the cornerstone for a team that has lofty aspirations the clippers can also make the sales pitch to free agents of you can play like we. Can put multiple guys together, you know, similar to what the Knicks are Knicks are doing now, and you can do it in LA. There's certain players were that sales pitch might work better, including one coil honored. So they put themselves in a good spot. And I think Tobias Harris as you said he didn't he doesn't move the needle enough for teams team with high aspirations into team that might you know, it might take a year or two for them to put this whole thing together. Even though the twenty twenty free gym class isn't strong. That's something I wrote about for the athletic. But, you know, maybe they're they're different ways. They can do this as you said they could acquire somebody by trade Anthony Davis being the one I don't love their assets for Anthony Davis trade just because I don't think they have that real centerpiece type guy, and it certainly seems like that something New Orleans values, and it's something they should value. And they have a lot of these shake. Maybe it is for me over them. Maybe this. Yeah. I I agree. They wanted them with all NBA potential. Maybe a few squid hard that she I don't believe that's in. But there are many who are much higher on him. Yes. So they can they can get into the conversation. I think they're lower in it. But they could. But they can be in the mix for somebody else. And if she gets a lot better than than you can talk for the next guy, whoever that's going to be and the opportunity cost is what I want to focus on here in the you brought it up, but I want to I want to nail this home the clippers lost so little in. This trade. Tobias was useful player Bo bond. They couldn't really ever figure out how to use him. Mike, Scott, useful piece. But not that important. Maybe it knocks them from a potential seven seed and getting knocked out in the first round. You know, maybe there is a chance of an upset or something like that to likely keeping their own pick keeping their financial house in order and getting a ton of assets for very little trouble Phillies. Pick could be useful. You know, it's probably going to be a late first Miami. We don't know what that's going to be. But they're clearing the books for twenty twenty. But there isn't really anybody were doing it for especially if eighty never really hits the market. I can't really imagine him going to Miami without any other commensurate pieces. So that's big challenge. And then they got Shimin sham. It's a nice piece for where they might be going. I mean, I don't think that a starting guard. Nation of Shamet and gilders Alexander is necessarily going to take a long way. But those two guys can be a part of a rotation, and you can add guys on top of around that and all those sorts of things. So I love love love this trade for the clippers. It's it's smart. It's proactive, and they just like we talked about with the Sixers like there there is a chance that this blows up in their face. But they didn't give up a lot to make it happen. I'm so fine. You know, if that if that's what happens you get you get a couple Trump picks out of it to buy. You're not going to be ruing the day that you gave up Tobias Harris, I baby there's a fringe chance. He gets like thirteen MBA at some point. But and maybe he has more success in Philadelphia than he would have with the clippers. But he is not like this. It's not like trading James harden, right before he blew up or something like that. This is a very different thing. And you've got assets like you gave up somebody that good. Yeah. And you're soon as to by her side, if it's a five year deal reciting with the clippers which again was not at all of you, even look that is likely that he would resigned, but the. Him enough that he would've wanted to resign. Then you're looking at his contract, you know, he's healthier than these guys. But kind of along the lines of like Kevin love or a Blaker Amanda Griffin and love or both better than Harris Harris might get a little bit less than money than those probably not less than love me less than Griffin did and he's a little bit younger than those guys when they sign those contracts, but he's not as good at player a visa either of those guys at least hasn't been his career may be better than love at this point. We'll see where where love is at. But sued be talking about him. Is this bad? You know, tough trader difficult to trade contract and is dead. That got just all these ads us for him. They got more for him than they got in the Blake Griffin trade at the time of the ended up getting Harris who blew up at. But you think in terms of what people thought of Harris at the time and thought, you know, there's just one lottery pick and Harris was essentially the trail Avery, Bradley two. But he was going to be a free agent was playing wall time sales got more for Harris than they did for Griffin it. So I I mean, that's a great asset play too. I trade Blake. And then turn around what you got. For Blake and trade him for this. It was really good. And now the question becomes how far they willing to go on this would they be willing to move on from Lou Williams to get even more picks. Lou, certainly you would think could get a first round firm. He's eight million this year eight million next year, then non-guaranteed all but one point five million of it guaranteed for twenty twenty one. And then Gallo is another one too with they might wanna strike while the iron is hot on him. You would team like the jazz who will perpetually looking for a stretch option at the fort be willing to give something up give up a first rounder to get him at twenty one million this year twenty two next year. And then they really have stripped it down. Then they've got the double max space just the same as the Knicks to and they've got a ton assets going forward, just like the Knicks to as well, but they've got more young players in the hopper than the Knicks to and they're in L A, and they're not run by a crazy person. Very very interesting here going for the one downside here is that, you know, Jerome Robinson Landry Shamet are very very. Similar players. So it'd be interesting to see who's able to come forward here as more playing time opens up in. I think having to bites at the apple there is a good thing. Young guys. All right. E one of them probably is going to wash out that's often what happens with you know, guys that have more of one tool than a lot of other things and something else I want to bring up not only as a mechanism for plugging the piece I wrote for the athletic about the Celtics into any inches pragmatism. Which is is there, and I basically it was about the human element. And how entity Davis is perceiving with the Celtics are doing I think that they're not a huge loser in this. But they are one for for the reason that it makes another Eastern Conference team stronger, and it makes it less likely that the clippers pick is valuable, and that's it. Now, if you're training that let's say Anthony Davis deal. It's not if you're because presumably those negotiations will happen before the draft, even though it can't be consummated, they'll July now you have to sell that as a future thing of. Hey, let's see how the clippers are. It's I think it's a less tangible less valuable asset for them, especially if the clippers end up doing well this. Season, which they won't know then in and we won't know for while. So the rest of the east is probably a little shaky now they're going to want to see where it works out. But because Boston has this Ansari connection with with the deal do the clippers. I think it matters a little more for them one of the greatest commodities. I think we can close on. This is just actually having a realist who people listen to in the front office. The hawks found one in Travis slang who aside from a couple of missteps they look like they're on a preview path. Yeah. They traded away dodger to knows all good. That's going to be but they rebuilt. They didn't try to continue to chase after the ghosts of Paul Millsap. And Al Horford left the year before what might knows noser wanted them to do as the coach president Sam hinkie was a realist in Philadelphia. And he is now gotten the seeds that he planned his gotten them back into contention Jerry West and this clippers front office a real about Blake Griffin. They didn't cave in to sentiment. They retirement they did with the needed to do for the organization, then they made this trade as what think that setting them. Up. Extremely well. Danny age a realist that Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce weren't going to get it done as far as championship contention anymore. Probably we're gonna leave in free agency anyway in the future. So he moved on to Brooklyn and got an amazing all and jump started their rebuilt when you're actually willing to be realistic about where you are as a franchise as opposed to how we can't do that in our bark it or it's so difficult to rebuild here. And you're actually honest with yourself about where you're going and that this is a league that's about winning at the highest levels, and that piddling around in the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference is useless. And that's just a recipe for not mattering in this league. And that when you chase after the a lot of times, you don't even get there, and then the will rebuild that you have to do just gets postponed for a few years and becomes even more unpalatable than if you'd actually steered into the skit by making the Muzy needed to. It's just such an advantage to have ownership who's willing to sign off on that and executives who. Who aren't worried about their jobs and are willing to be proactive about where the team actually is. I want to add in one more team because they're relevant to this conversation. And it's maybe even a a more prime example. And that's the Toronto Raptors big they had the best season in franchise history last year messiah, Jerry realized that there was an opportunity that there was a team that was over valuing what they had that sentimentality was going to lead to some people being very unhappy with the deal last year was the best year in raptors history. This is the best team in retrospect, I don't care if they end up with a better record, not maybe they end up not winning the east, whatever. However that goes the decision that messiah jury made was a very tough one to make and it was very important. And you can I don't even think we need to go through the laundry list. A lot of them will be in the rest of this podcast that people can hear some of the things we've criticized that impatience or few worries about job security or a bad owner have led them down a path where it's really hard to make some improvements. And I I wish I written more about this. And I wrote a lot about it at the time was. That the major markets had a gigantic advantage in the last CBA that they completely frittered away by almost all of them being terribly run franchises and now partially because they were so bad than that. They were able to get the right people in in power. Those teams are now much greater forces. I mean, the Lakers got LeBron James there at live. I have misgivings with what they've done, but they they're under capable stewardship clippers. They're they're the Knicks. I mean, I'm not sure yet. But I mean, it's it's better than it was under Phil Jackson at least, and then the Netzer Marx's another success story, especially compared to its predecessor. And this is not as favorable to those teams because now extensions are more possible. But the league should be a little bit scared of this. Because if those teams are will run the MBA is is structured in a way to benefit those teams. Because of the way contracts are in the way free agency works does what we needed was long soliloquy for both of us here to add to this. We're recording all this reverse order got a whole other. Segment coming up here on the book trade news. And then we're going to do a mock all-star draft as well so much more to get to end you'll hear what was going to be our intro coming up in just a second. Aren't the trade deadline is heating up? We got some big rumors to address we have a trade to doubts as well. And then we gotta talk about the all-star draft which is going to happen on Thursday nights. We wanted to get on top of that this year Nate I Danny in the all-star draft see who can pick the better team. But why don't we just rolled through here with some news, and we can fold a some the injury stuff in with the trades and trade rumors. Let's start though with the trade that actually in fact did happen tonight. There was one that was rumored that did not happen. We'll talk about that later, but the one that was actually consummated reportedly tonight is with the Lakers and the pistons the Lakers are trading feed mechanic, and they're twenty twenty one second round pick. They had previously traded their twenty nineteen to the Detroit Pistons for guard. Reggie bullock. And this. I was a shocking trade for me for a very basic reason. And that is block is the best has been the best wing for the pistons this year, the pistons are either leave technically game and a half out of the playoff picture five thirty. It's projections actually have them as the seven seat and whilst V could end up being a better player. You know, he's under contract more team control all that kind of stuff. You don't usually see a team where the pistons are make this kind of trait where the pistons are is going to be thirty eight and forty four team. I I actually think this portends a bit of sanity. Although it's not like the business have really much else to sell at the moment. In terms of expiring county Stanley Johnson falls into that category. But the key has much if any value. So I do agree is pretty shocked that Baloch was moved. Because of the fact that that you I mean, maybe this is just the front office saying we're just gonna give Luke Kennard the shot at playing more on the wing. We're going to give Stanley Johnson shot at playing more the wingnut that he hasn't received plenty of. Chances in his career to be sure. But I'm also actually a little surprised at the price here. So what is the the pickers twenty twenty one for the Lakers as right, correct? So it was originally reported that it was a second. We knew it wasn't twenty nineteen because that pick already owed. So there was this little conversation. Dan Feldman mentioned this on Twitter of you know, what you're would you want the Lakers pick? And when I was going through it. I mean 'cause 'cause you also like one easy thing would be as far out because LeBron James, you know, he's thirty three right now. And so you'd rather go as far out as you can and for budwood thirty. Oh, that's right. Yeah. He's thirty four. I know what you're and there's the other reality that you also want, you know, if your GM you wanted to convey, a little sooner if he can. So when I was thinking about this. I thought twenty twenty one was the last year that I would want because LeBron will still be under contract will still, you know, he's not going to be peak of his powers, obviously. But it'll still be better. And even if this off season ends up being awash for the Lakers. They'll get somebody by then. But it's not like other than twenty nineteen. This year when they're on the fringes of playoff contention any year's going to be great in that future. I just would have gone further out that it sounds like the pistons did. Yeah. Well, and also the double draft would have been an interesting one which is looking like to me twenty twenty two second rounders could be more valuable than but who knows where the Lakers will be at that point. I mean, if I the handicap about were they'll be say, maybe low twenties as a guest me could be a lot lower than that. They don't get AD and LeBron just isn't any good anymore, or maybe leaves isn't any good relatives where he is. Now, of course, or they could just, you know, be in the midst of a really nice run. So I'd say the average would be low twenties, but it's probably more likely to be either, you know, fifteen or like high twenty s and then FEMA kailua as looked better than his draft slot in the late forties would have been dedicated so far peasants apparently like him. He is a very similar player to Luke Kennard may be a better spot up shooter at this point in time. But Canard a better playmaker. Who's better on defense? Probably neither of them. Frankly, a neither of them have a tongue athleticism, maybe as speak, but it gives the pistons and other shot at someone who can shoot the ball little bit. Something else that Kevin pelton brought up in his piece was that the pistons had two opportunities in the early second round to draft Zvi. They did they took kyri Thomas. They took Bruce Brown. I believe they gave up multiple seconds for one of those two gentlemen. And so they is Kirk Kurt Thomas, Harry Thomas, so they made a choice, and you granted they can revise that. And say, hey, look good in preseason summer league as as a member of the south bay Lakers. You know, there are lots of different data points, and any you know, he played some for the LA Lakers did have like a forty seven point game this year in the league true. Yeah. And v is under team control for a lot longer. So next year, he's fully non-guaranteed. And then the year after is a team option that is also non-guaranteed which is something that I really like when teams have that structure. And the reason you want a team option and non non-guaranteed for that third year is because then theoretically, this is an. Nicole Yokich type of thing you could theoretically decline that team option and make him a restricted free agent. Should there be tactical reason to do? So generally speaking, there isn't for you know, it would be they would be Rina's limited. Maybe there would be something. They're probably not. But anyway, lot more team control restricted free agency, the individual be good enough to make it all the way to the end. And Bullock he is unrestricted after this year. So that is a negative. But the fortunate thing for LA if this goes, well, he is I believe he has full bird rights and has a Lou capital. So there are scenarios where the Lakers could bring him back if this year goes well, and that's a nice thing for them. I mean, the optionality of you can let him go with no consequence. But it might be feasible to bring him back is useful. And Bullock seems to fit a lot better on a Lakers team that is moving on from some of those guys that they have already whether that Casey p Josh heart arguably, he's the third best guy out of that group. Religious depends who's gonna hit their threes a little bit better. I'd say he's probably the worst defender, and maybe the best shoot. Her out of that group. But again, you know, those three point percentages can be very -able for all three of those guys. But yeah, I like the low capital the four point seven five million, although the Lakers as of now with no additional changes have thirty seven million in cap space coming up debts without his capital. So if they could move on from some from salary like ball Ingram, you know, they can open up that full MAC spot and probably have enough to keep blocks cap hold as well. And I would expect in free agency that you get more than that. But I have to say this is maybe a little bit smaller of a price than I would have thought for someone like him. I guess he's an expiring contract with the low capital makes them a little bit more appealing. There. Does this seem about right to you to second rounders one of one of whose just drafted the other one probably gonna be, you know, later on the both of these picks are past forty fives fee was late or later on in the second area. Jim Agean, the Lakers will at least be a playoff team, you'd think by the the point this pick conveys, so maybe less. Yeah. It seems a little light to me. Because I but V, you know, maybe they see something more him than we've had the opportunity to experience a guy that you in particular because you got see them more than I did before college like that he really did chosen flashes. Then of course, that is a long time ago now at this point one of the other elements of this trade for Detroit that I don't know if it's going to matter we're just going to have to see is that it does clear more wiggle room under the luxury tax. They now have about one point five million. Now, they could sign somebody. You know, they they could use that spot. They could also clear Henry own soon. You know, there are a few a few other things they could do. But whether they actually do anything like that or not is is an open question. So the comparable trade is one that happened a couple of days ago. Rodney hood to second rounders from the blazers pretty similar value. You'd have to say to what this was block. I view block as the superior player. Less of an injury history of though, they both have pretty expensive ones. And you know, just a more versatile player better defender, probably a better three point shooter than. Could you know, just not the score? The ball is ends at hood is. But who has never been officiant in that regard. And is a big problem on defense. I I like Bullock better than hood. And then black also comes with the bird rights that Rodney hood does not because he was on that qualifying offering waive his bird rights when he agreed to the trade. Are we got much more to get to here? Who talk about the fit of Rodney hood in Portland ads only. Okay. Reggie bullock. Hey, you know, there's some other guys who do the same thing. 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Most prominent Markelle Seoul was shut down for tonight's win over the timber wolves at home the number thirty three Dame plate above his locker had been removed. There is a half. Trash bag with his belongings in them prior to the game. He actually left the arena at halftime discussions were that he would be on the move to Charlotte as he was in the mock trade deadline, but that deal as of this recording at ten thirty three Pacific time has not yet been consummated. You'll recall, of course, to in the mock off season, the construction was Justin holiday in a separate trade into the trade exception and Genucel for Charlotte's top four protected first rounder this year and the ugly salaries of Bizac beyond bow and Michael Kidd Gilchrist for next year. So the first rounder just forget soul wasn't available. They also take on bed salary for next year. If there is going to be the seal, the only significant expiring contract that Charlotte has is the seven million of Germany lamb. They need him for this spectacular playoff Bush that apparently is going to result from getting Marcus oil. And that means that really for this deal to work, even salary wise. They've got a son back a non expire. Hiring contract. And you know, that's probably gonna be bed salary. That's what you know. This is gonna be could a pick. That's got some upside in theory top four protected Charlotte could miss the playoffs and missing the playoffs in the east. You know, that could be the number nine pick or something like that. So that's a thought it'd be a pretty good deal for this. And and I think a fair one. That's why we agree to it in the metro deadline, and then of course, gazelles future Jimmy can imagine. He's too jazzed about Charlotte, necessarily, but you may not have anyone else out. There is win offering twenty five million for next year. So I think you know, it's probably a fifty fifty proposition here. Andy would be limited in his extension options. But he could extend for up to two years after this one. That's they might look into if they want to bring back Kemba Walker, but they still have some luxury tax concerns will be counting on him being out. If they do bring back Kumba, so lots of moving parts are will see if the steel actually happens, and what the parameters are ending at on this one. It was also strange to me in the mock deadline, just the fit. On basketball court was Charlotte. A team that plays that has played traditional centers. They they went into directions. When Cody Zeller is out, but they still were largely playing Piombo an Gomez. So that part of it makes sense, but Charlotte not having functionally any expiring salary makes this a harder thing. Now, I am a believer that Memphis should be willing to take on money for next year, especially if you get better asset back it's not like they're going to be doing much over the summer of twenty nine hundred anyway, so I would support that. I just wasn't sure if Robert Pera and their front office, we're going to go nut direction. And we'll see what happens it, it certainly does appear from the multiple tea leaves that are out there that Marcus soul will be on the move. But it's possible. It's it's not to them. You never like when the early reporting was out on Tuesday. My first thought was this is Memphis saying, we're definitely moving this guy. Get your offers in because we need them now. And that might still be where this is I I don't really know that we can or should read more into it. But either way I mean, that's a significant move. And I like that you talk. About this decision on his player option though. I could also see Marcus oil being someone given the career that he's had who was made plenty of money who could say I'll take less money to be somewhere that can use me or that. I'm happier that can compete whatever. Whatever his definition of what he wants in his next place. I could see him leaving money on the table, and in that sort of a circumstance than Charlotte does not get the benefit of Marcus next year. No likelihood, but they do theoretically under the structures that we've discussed they get out of a lot of money for next year. So whether Kemba stays or goes mixed books a lot cleaner. Are there's more trade stuff to get to. But we have to get to the really said news out of Washington. John wall will undergo surgery to compare a now to repair a now ruptured left achilles tendon, and he develop in an infection from the initial surgery that he had which was a repair of this deformity in his left heel that was causing tilles contended soreness. Andy slipped and fell in his home. The rupture was found during a procedure to clean out the infection. And so he's going to miss twelve month. I mean, that's basically all next year. He's gonna be out. I mean, this is a torn achilles tendon, and that's disastrous for someone with his type of physical profile and who's as relying on speed as he is. I also would like to push back on those who like thought that first reactor. This was oh, he didn't really fall in his home. Like, there's some other story here. Number one. I don't know what it is about John wall. That really makes him get a lot of this negative attention and even going back to like that ridiculous England coun- coward early in his career was like feud as a bad guy because he was dancing before games. Which is just preposterous said, yeah, you know, what maybe likes to go out. Maybe he's kind of volatile and a little bit impressed with his own abilities. Although not so impressed that he didn't sign. The supermax. Michael Lee reminded us that wall told him when he was asked why didn't wait to sign the supermax a year for now when he could. Fifty million. He told Mike Lee, I only made all this year. It's not guaranteed. You never know. What can happen? I didn't want to chance it. So obviously made a great business decision to take that supermax does even kick in until next year at thirty eight million. But for those whose first reaction was os hunting untoward happened. And this is a bullshit story about him falling like you ever had a severe surgery on your lower body. Like you're wearing a boot when you're out and running for cats reported that he was wearing a boot. And he was on one of those scooters that you Nealon to get around the arena yesterday. It seemed to be indecent spirits, and then he also had this infection. So it's not like he's able to just like, you know, go bowling like, Andrew number. He was like out in the club like, dancing or something. Like that. Like when you're most vulnerable needs situations is when you're at home, you have to take off all this equipment, you're brace or you're Buddha. Whatever to get in the shower, and you've only got one leg at that point. You're not used to moving around that way. It's actually very possible to fall and injure south kind of thing happens all the time and for those who are Scott. Physical will what do you? What else? Do you think happens? Besides that like the guy came in walk to just was really odd to me that so many people had that reaction that made me uncomfortable as well. Especially considering there isn't really a good reason for you know, if if somebody has Intel then you could talk about that, then it's not fair to rain it even walk. What do you think he was doing like art if something came out, and there was some kind of a report? Okay. But I mean, this isn't like Monty LS riding the the moped. And especially like, what do you think he was doing going to void is contract as well? There's exhibit five that lists. Prohibited activities, which are generally sort of like extreme sports type stuff, you know, skiing and snowboarding, and you know, playing tackle football and stuff like that. Like those things that are usually ruled out like just walking around or something after a surgery, it's not it's not gonna afford your contract. If you fall in your them sorry. But so I want to pivot a little bit to how this affects the wizards moving forward the time line that's out there now is is twelve. Five months that was what shamans had those the first thing. I saw but I've heard eleven to fifteen and that means functionally we should assume that John wall will not play for the wizards next year. Maybe in a limited format he could play at the very end of the year kind of. I mean, it's not the same injury. But like what Paul George did at the year after he had he broke his leg for team USA where he was back for another couple of games. But it wasn't you know, he he wasn't back. He just played for a few of them. And while as you said he is about to begin the gigantic four year extension that the supermax and Washington, they also can't get a believe they cannot get a disabled player exception for him. Even if you who he would have to have been ruled as out until the following June fifteenth, right? Oh, yeah. That's right. That's the line. So yeah. As of right now, at least that that doesn't seem likely maybe he can get reassessed at some point. They can get that. But remember that doesn't give you latitude rug relatives Electra taxes just another way that you can add salary, and they would only get the D equivalent of the mid level. You. Don't get half of half of the player salary for the whole thing. I mean, it's not that big exception. But it could theoretically be useful the wizards now depending on what mentality, and this is why the teddy Leonsis comments about Lido tank are actually very instructive because in other, you know, if you had different approaches, you could see that that being the impetus for maybe moving out a porter saying, hey, we're not going to be competitive next year. Maybe a little bit were zealous about doing something with Yhombi behemoth to get out of the tax. But with that I mean now you have to start thinking about well, they're going to be competitive. They're going to need Thomas outta Ranchi and Saturday ski pending restricted free agent. He has a modest capital, but he is also still for the rest of this year extension eligible. Yup. And he could get up to the four year forty seven million dollars potentially that could keep him out of free agency at I think, though, if I were the wizards unless you just wanted to cut me a great deal. I would just hold on and play the restricted free agent game with into me, you know, Leonsis said before this news. Down that they are not trading. Any of these players, namely, wall Beal or porter and the I mean the wizards still kinda in the playoff race this year. They're going to get completely steamrollered in the first round if they do make it and the next year. I mean, you really going in your drawing dead for next year as well. They may be again, you might at the upside of barely getting the, but they're already projecting to be attacked seem for next year without even having a full roster when you consider their draft pick and potential Sarangi salary. I think toy our might opt into the five point six million, and they still to fill up throughout the rostrum in Trevor Aretha market. Moore's those guys are free agents. I in really it seems so obvious to me at this point that they should be tearing down that they should try to tank this year. Get a good draft pick next year probably tank again, you're not really that. Good. Maybe even think about trading, Bradley Beal at this point because his value for next year is pretty limited. When you're you're you're not gonna have really I think of successful season. No matter what you do next year. He is already told people that he wants out of Washington when his contract ends. So then you're basically looking at one year of him like he's gonna be asking how he's going to be the subject of trade speculation all next year because they're not going to be good next year. Now just impossible to do that with forty million dead money on your cap and a lot of contributors that surpri knock meal to afford to resign. And they're I mean will allow millions. Why the hell are they keeping Trevor REEs right areso Markeith Morris? Like, I didn't even set her into you might think about potentially moving if you can go Tim so little different just. Senator inskeep. Restricted so I think you can you can trust that and Thomas Bryant same thing. You know, those guys maybe you bet on that process. A little bit more, but Reza Markeith Morris. Like, what are you waiting for? Yeah. They open up a little more room next year by stretching out Mimi, you think though probably happened. But again with next year being lost year. Really probably makes more sense. Just eat that old next year instead of stretching him and putting five million on your cap the two years after that one. Again, you're going to be up against it in terms of the tax. They're just have to accept reality this year. Yeah. Guess you might make the playoffs, but you also have enough flexibility in this Eastern Conference to get a pretty good draft. You could get another pretty good draft pick. Again. I mean, I think this era is just over. Now. It is like there's this era of, you know, being a dangerous succeed or a fourth seed or something like that, you know, at times with this group like John wall. Zach be the same player, you're not even gonna get him back until the twenty twenty twenty one season they're done. They just have to accept that. I mean, if they weren't done now, you could at least sort of make the big, okay? Hey, we. Add the right piece around John comes back. He's going be better next year, and we can get back to those dizzying heights of 2017 potentially with this group. Not it's not gonna happen anymore. I was encouraged after the first surgery the theory of the Haglund's deformity, and that maybe it was causing some of the problems that were making John wall. Just not look like himself, consistently physically. And I was I was hopeful that maybe we would see at least a higher proportion of the time you'd see that. There are some positive achilles rupture stories that are going on Rudy gay. I think he's looking more like himself than I ever expected. Now, I believe it's two years out from the injury. That's fantastic. Demarcus cousins is making recovery is not only back, but he's looking better. I mean, obviously, those he and John wall have a close connection due to their time at Kentucky. John wall relies on his athleticism substantially more than you. And I were concerned about how his game would age. Yes, he's a talented passer. But with his lack of a jump shot athleticism has always been important part in creating the separation that is necessary to get the. Mention to make those passes. And that means that an achilles rupture means more to his game than it does to the other two and that is deeply concerning. So not only for me am I concerned about. Oh, yeah. John wells, basically not plate next year. But it's will we even see the John wall. We saw this year again. And I am not remotely sure of that. And it's really a shame that I think John wall now is probably gonna be more famous than NBA history for just two cautionary tale about the designated player extension. One of the worst contracts in NBA history that ios looking that way before even kicked in. But you really was robbed of his private. I mean really his last year where he was himself was maybe twenty seventeen use a twenty five year old. I think at that point is really after twenty five we're look back. He was pretty much done potentially. You know, maybe you'll make some miracle comeback. I don't necessarily see that as likely. Let's move on here. Interesting reporting from Joe Vardon that Cleveland and the ROY. Rockets are engaged in a deal or talks on a deal that would bring branded night and the rockets first round pick to Cleveland in exchange for Alec Burks. That is a different conception than the one that has been talked about. So often words a Kent bays more for next year in the first round pick with night going out because Burks actually expires after this year. And would also save the rockets about five million dollars or so in zella, I think it works. I haven't checked it. But the rockets by to throw or Cleveland might have to throw it a little bit more, actually like David Nawada from Cleveland might actually help the rockets, you can't shoot it all, but he is, you know, a pretty scrappy defensive player, but that would be a huge savings for the rockets next year also might enable them to really get into the market with that nearly full taxpayer mid level and put them in commanding position with about Margaret. Now the difference in some of the controls. We've been talking about is that Burks isn't really gonna help them. You know, I I don't think that's going to happen that he's. Can do some stuff off the dribble as okay spot up shooter? Not really good defensive player. So I I don't foresee him being a major part of what they're doing this year as they get into the playoffs. I think it's been clear that he's he's just not maybe coulda got there. But after those many injuries that he had his career is just kind of more of a bit player when you desperately need someone to create than some new can really be a part of a playoff rotation to me. But it would be major major savings for the rockets both this year and next year. So good understand. Maybe why would happen? But to trade that first rounder when you're not upgrading on the floor at all this year that to me is disappointment the end, this would be another cost cutting move for the Tillman for two rockets, if it were to go through IVA feeling those got out this way that it may not happen. I I wonder I mean Joe's in Cleveland's you mentioned it probably came from the Cleveland side, but an anecdote be a good value. The rockets pick is probably to be in the low twenty s this you'll be good value for Cleveland to to get another. The first round pick. I am impressed with how aggressive they have been taking on bed money to try and get picks. I laud Dan Gilbert for actually being realistic. Unlike some other owners about where his team was he could easily have done the all while Kevin love was injured. We could get right back into next year know that honesty is very very important. And while we're talking about Kevin lovey has been through some five on five scrimmages. He did not play in their loss to the Boston Celtics on Tuesday. So what kind of keep an eye on Kevin love? It's one of the things to track for the remainder of this Cleveland season. Also want to mention going back to the wizards briefly market Morris is hopeful that he can play. I think he said like, oh, he could he could come back by he cleared for contacts are that's why was unsure of the verbiage clear for contact by the all star break. We'll see when he can return presumably that will be as part of the wizards even though as you said, I would I would consider moving elsewhere. We might as well do the Anthony Davis. So Jason Concepcion put out a thing of what to call this and his favorite. Response. Which was also my own was somebody calling it the Bronx it which I really like. So that's what I'm going to use. I don't know can use whatever he wants the show is name. But the news from today is a couple of things on one front the encore front. Anthony Davis has been cleared and he sounds like he wanted to play in their loss to the Indiana Pacers. He did not that it might be a bit of posturing, but is also, you know, if the idea that he can maybe put a little bit of heat on the New Orleans pelicans from that from that angle. But then there's also the reporting that the Lakers are not interested in playing ball. They buy buy. And by that what I mean is they think what the pelicans want from them is ridiculous. You know that they're bidding against themselves. And you know, all these first round picks and all this kind of stuff, and we'll hear let let's be a worse Pacific their show. The reported offer was basically all the Lakers young guys plus two first rounders, and then supposedly came out that no they actually want just the ridiculous offer for first rounders four second. Rounders, and there's not going to gauge the Lakers aside from that. And that really is a little bit too much. And there is a parallel there to the reporting. And we don't know if this is true that San Antonio said in the quiet trade with Philly that they would only discuss the trade with if it involved, Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid, which is basically saying we're not engaging with you know, that's kinda the idea in from A's perspective. I really liked Sam amick wrote a nice piece for the athletic talking about the it was he framed it in a cool way with magic in age. And you know, the history of those two guys is players. But what he was really getting at is how Anthony Davis represents the last really good shot for how these teams have conceived of their rosters in the time pressures that they're under. And so he was connecting. Lebron, you know, the the twilight of his prime or his prime adjacent time and Kyrie Irving situation. And that is perilous to me for the Lakers because yes, there might be that there isn't a reasonable ground with New Orleans and. I've talked that. I'm not a huge fan of the guys they have this was a part of our show yesterday was me talking about how there really isn't. I mean, other than if we get into this ridiculously into like three plus for Trump picks in some swap rates or something there isn't necessarily a Lakers offer that I love. But if it's not Anthony Davis, then who and that's a real big problem for magic and play. Good answer. KP wrote a piece saying a even with only two first round picks. The upper tunic cost is pretty high though, they might not even make the playoffs this year. If they're so thin, though, it would depend who's on the buyout market after they traded all those guys, and they really wouldn't have a way to build around. Lebron in AD, not the LeBron and the rest of these dudes has looked at great so far and with all these rumors. I mean, it's clearly to me it's coming from a lot of it is coming from the leaker sides of what their offers have been. I don't know that that's a great idea to get that out there. They've pushing back they want their fan base to know that they're trying and you know, broddrick Turner, that's supposedly magic sky, according. To Nate Jones. Eb think those the one who said that I Pol jobs if that's wrong, but the LA times has been all about this. Usually, I guessing they're probably not getting their sourcing from the pelicans that the LA times. And so this idea that they traded their offered every single one of the young guys and that that's not enough. Well, hey, big surprise, you had this alter -cation in the locker they lost the warriors. And they just got bludgeoned in the worst loss of LeBron's career. Lebron had missed that game against the words windows was talking about that and his pod yesterday that it wasn't as load management. It was more. You know, he he had to sit out he had some soreness as opposed to just precautionary after playing forty minutes in that first game back into clippers after he'd been listed as doubtful for that game. You know, again, maybe it was LeBron wanted to come back, but a good team is going to tell them. No, actually, you can't if you're not ready yet. And so maybe he didn't look good obviously today as they lost by over forty points to the victory depot less Pacers. So I mean, maybe just because of what's been going on here and decided that everyone's gonna get traded. You do. I wanna play hard to leave LA wherever it wants to be. So just alike make LeBron feel better. And there's that image that a lot of people captured of LeBron sitting on the bench with three seats open next tomb as they're getting blown out in the fourth quarter. And know clearly LeBron is behind these machinations which Bob with what are you thinking? If you're one of these Lakers young guys other than just like this guy doesn't want me here. Like fuck him. That's what I'd be thinking. So that doesn't lead to well to end this organization doesn't want me here. And I'm trying to get paid and build my career. I don't wanna go play in New Orleans without Anthony Davis. Yeah. I wouldn't wouldn't be Jim. And then hilariously probably the way that you get to say is you play worse. That's so I mean with with all that it's not a recipe for success. If they don't get this trade done, which it appears they're not going to surely they'll be some sort of a reengagement. You would think I still think that there's a chance maybe for another team to come in try to grab a deep for this year. Then if it doesn't work out it looks like he's not gonna say, you can always. Lip again in the summertime in theory. Those same offers from the Lakers or Boston would be there in the summertime. So maybe you try to break in with the big offer. Those a lot of obstacles to that. Anyway, that's probably enough on AD unless you have anything to add. Well, the only other thing we've stat is that he did come out with that list of teams that are acceptable to him and all your bucks here and clippers here. Oh, yeah. We talked about that little bit on the fifteen in sixty because the clippers were one of those teams here. It would be so much fun to see him on the bucks. Just intellectually. It's not gonna happen. But it made me happy. So wanna mention it? We can move to the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers team that we talked about f- covered for the NBA cast on Tuesday night. They lost to the Toronto. Raptors and part of the reason they lost was that they were missing two of their starters Wilson Chandler's out two to three weeks with a quad strain. That is a problem considering how limited their deputies and then JJ Riddick was a late scratch due to nausea. And I thought they they fought gamely in a wet down early in that game. But then brought themselves back Joel. Mbede was a monster in the second half. And Ben Simmons had some moments as well. But it just wasn't enough. Yep. And this team I mean, they need three rotation Blair's whether that's the buyout market or trade if they're serious about competing winning in the second round, they need through attention pledge. You can't start Mike Moscow. La at the fourth Chandler goes down. I mean, I think there's a thirty percent chance of Chandler just isn't going to be healthy for the playoffs. You know? I mean, he's missed a lot of time this year he with all the hip injuries had hamstring. Now. It's this quad strain to play him starter. Level of minutes doesn't see like a recipe for success Shamet now thinking give him ten minutes in the playoffs. But I mean, they just they gotta get some more wings. They probably need a stretch for option as well. As replace Chandler. I mean, they need to starters. I think you know, two or maybe maybe one starter because Ruddock obviously is there too. And then a really good bench Bs probably four and a three and those guys are hard to come by. They're gonna have to throw some assets into this fire in Orlando. I think this is actually significant mobile. Oppa? We don't know how long has to be out but stress fracture in his lower left leg. He's really tell guy. But not quite as large as somebody's got a little bit thinner build than some of these guys that have had issue. But no, it's additional need surgery. But would saying he will miss significant time that to me help very easily could be the rest of the season. So it's gonna be Kim. Birch. I guess it getting the backup sentiment. Birch might actually be more valuable than baba. This this point in time. At least you're talking about their on-court impact this year, but still not great to have their depth reduced at that point. If there were to be destroyed would seem very unlikely to me now, you don't even get the benefit of getting to play Bob and see what you have with him. If you move which thrust the year, and even as we go into the offseason, this is huge to Baba's headed, I think disappointing rookie your would be fair to say and Orlando can't feel comfortable going with him into next year as their starting center unless he comes back and maybe as dominant summer league or something like that. But you know, by the time somebody comes around the already of headed make their free agent signings. So this to meet kind of pushes it. More towards votes potentially getting re-signed here if they don't there's now no possibility that Bomba could show enough to where they're so excited that they let food go. It does look like it's going in that direction. And I don't know what the offers will be our four, but you know, in certain ways, that's disappointing. Just because the guy's all star. And he is basically putting them deeper onto the treadmill mediocrity. Now, maybe they're still bad enough where they can get a decent draft pick especially with lottery from we'll have to see. But we know the center market is going to be tepid. And especially to me, if we're Landau strikes early with coach, you know, like the idea of maybe they're more scared of other teams than they should be give him something too big and then limited flexibility to still paying four presumably unless they stretch him. They're still paying MAs for next year. They have a lot on their books. But we can also talk about another European center. Valentinus is on his way back. He will the raptors are hoping that he will play on this trip. He did not play in their win over the seventy Sixers. So we'll keep an eye on that in Chicago Carell Anthony has been waved to facilitate that till? I'll see trade where the bulls of gotten five point two million in cash for some pretty limited trades cleared almost four million bucks in those compared to what they're actually gonna have to pay these guys and Carmelo is gonna clear waivers. And there's thought that he might find a team after the trade deadline dust has settled also some talk that Casey p could be traded to Chicago for Jabbar Parker that would be ending credibly dumb trade by the Lakers to think that Jabbar is gonna help them more than Casey b has that just completely insane Jafari is the absolute last thing that this Lakers team needs to help them the season. In Boston, Marcus Boris was some right knee soreness remembers knee soreness that messed up his ear last year. And he's been playing a lot worse the last month or so after shooting it like crazy, the first couple of months and Kyrie Irving didn't play against their the Cavs, which they won any way on the road. He's actually now missed seven games since sort of the new year, not all with this hip soreness. But a lot of that's been against crappy opponents. Something to keep a little bit of an eye on though with him since you know, he's always a threat to miss some time. But good news out of Brooklyn of one of the scariest injuries that we've seen with care sliver potentially returning soon. Yeah. Very encouraging that lever per lunch is returning soon to five hundred five practice, and there is optimism that he can return to the nets lineup prior to the all star break, which is not that long. It's basically a week from right now. But let's let's say it's a little bit less successful than that needs back after the break. The nets are going into this tough schedule at the end of the year and getting Vert back would be a great thing for them. And Alan crab is also returning soon. He is expected to play on Wednesday. He's been out for a month and a half the last game. He played in was December twelfth, and they have debts. You know, Joe Harris's has stepped into Giral crab was having great season. Anyway, just good to have an extra guy that probably does not apply to Mussa who has not really been a part of their the regular team. Even though Kubrick's has done such a nice job. He's gonna stay in the G league for now. But he is quick to play. We can. To Charlotte where the good news is that Cody Zeller played he came off the bench and played twenty three minutes in they're close loss. Weird weird ending to the game against the clippers. But Tony Parker miss that game. Do what was called a back strain? He's been dealing with. Right right ankle soreness. So anytime somebody appears on the internet report for a different reason. I got a little bit concerned. We'll keep an eye on that. Of course in Denver Harris Murray and Millsap all did not play in their demolition lost to the pistons Marie close. He might he might come back to news questionable and didn't play. So we'll keep an eye on that. Erik Gordon didn't play against the sons had left the previous two games early due to right knee soreness. So a conservative. He's such an important part of the rotation especially that their shower this year and then Doug McDermott has bruise ribs. He will be out at least two more contests will of new faces in new places are going to result from the trade deadline, and if you wanna go ahead and see those guys in person seek is the way to do it. They pull. Millions of tickets together into one place you can easily find the seats. 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We got a lot of work to do to get up to speed on these two teams between now and then we're going to try and make it as close to a real broadcast. Even though we're not experts on the we'll do our best to become so between now and them. All right all-star draft time now Danny and can you take us through real quickly? What the format is the before. I draft might completely dominating team. That isn't what happened last year. But. Wait, wait, who did we end up with last year's we go? So we just like look at that real quick. Well, we can we can do our closing five so my closing five because I have it in the same Google talk. Mike closing five. I was LeBron's team. Mike closing five was kyri Jimmy Butler. Kevin durant? Lebron James and Anthony Davis your closing five was Steph curry James harden. Klay Thompson Jaanus, and I would assume that strain on green. So it was basically the warriors minus Katie plus Janas angered yeah. I mean, I don't know that that's entirely clear that your team is so dominating there. But we'll see where we end up where we end up this year. And we're changing it up in the interest. Fairness I pick I last year in the first round. And then it switches in for the reserves, and so you're going to pick I in in the start around, and I will pick I in the third round. So that means that means you are LeBron. And I am Janas yet team. Lebron is on the clock pretty shortly here yet last year. Hopefully, I buy whole strategy. Was ruined. When I forgot that you have to draft all the starters first before drafting some the reserves though, I think I got I picked in the reserves last year that's going to be really interesting it as well. So let's talk just who the starters are who remain Jaanus and LeBron. What does calling my team is team? Dante Toco, I I was a little like how how do you? How do you make this work? And that's how you do it. And so, yeah, let's go through the eight starters that we have to choose from the floor meeting west guys, Steph curry, James harden. Kevin Durant and Paul George, and then the east starters kyri Kemba Walker Kawai and Joel beat and as we go through here in line wall also reacted little bit to some of the all star selections that we didn't necessarily agree with. So I think that Steph curry is the best remaining NBA player on the board. But I am not going to select him for a couple of reasons. One of which I will get into maybe afterwards. They don't wanna reveal too much of my strategy right now. But instead I'm gonna do exactly what LeBron did last year with the number one pick, and I'm going to take Kevin Durant that we need some more size. I think to match up with Yannis. Yeah. That's not my favorite thing in the world for a couple of different reasons. But I'm still gonna take Steph. Hurry. I think that he you know, my offense can be built around his skill set. And Janas I'm happy that he's available because that means that I can you know, I can let him run the show a little bit and everything else in my needs at at that spotter different than your so I'm still going to go with Steph curry are so su- remaining here. I think it's we've got the two guards Irving and Kemba Walker got two small Ford's, George, and Leonard Joel Embiid is the only pure center, though, there are plenty of those in the reserves. But you know, you want your starting line at to match up reasonably well. And then there's James harden as well, but I'm gonna go with coli Leonard here. I again, once more defensive options on these guys who, you know, obviously are great players with the ball in their hands at fourteen done at a Kubo. Kinda makes me laugh hurts is you that I love that we had to hit the button on the excel spreadsheet that wraps the texts because it just didn't even fit in the cell. So I am going to go with Kawhi. Again, I wanna have some more defense some more versatility. And I think those there's plenty of scoring available on these also rosters. So I'm orienting my team towards defense so far here I had previously in other. I had thought about going with a a wing heavy group. There are a lot of wonderful wings in this starting collection. And since you took two of the three even though I have a preference in some of the other spots. I'm going to go with Paul George just make sure that you don't get him. I think that there would be a chance because then you would have that run on them. And there aren't as many comparable guys in other groups. So even though that leaves you with a pretty desirable choice. I'm gonna take Paul George anyway. So now, we're left with James harden. Kyrie Irving Kemba Walker and Joel Embiid, I had an -ticipant it'd that I was probably going to get stuck with harden. And so I didn't want to go with guys who couldn't switch because James harden needs to switch. So I will in fact, take James harden now, I mean, it's just so much talent on the team. He's hasn't had a chance to scale. Really never plays off all his all these times where he hasn't been assisted at all. But he acknowledged and some comments yesterday that he can't be as ball dominant going forward here. So I I think he can fit into what we're trying to do. And certainly in terms of the available talent remaining he is clued. The just the best overall players at sometime talent has to Trump fit. Although I think both of us are emphasizing fit pretty closely here. So this is this is a tough call for me because I love Kyrie. I think the Kyrie's wonderful player. He is a little bit superfluous when I have staff, but adding those two guys they're the other guy that I'm seriously considering I don't think this is going to impact your choices. Joel Embiid just 'cause Joel Embiid is a wonderful center. But as you've said, the center position is very very very deep moving forward, you know, in the second round and all that kind of stuff, and well, I agree with you that it is great to have a traditional starting lineup. I'm going to go with Irene partially because I think that he's a better option, and maybe that leads you to taking Kemba. But also because if you take your well instead of Kemba Walker. Then I'm I still have Korean happy without so I'm going with career ring while I love this. I'm gonna take Joel. Because now you're starting lineup has three guards who are like six two and under basically. So you're you're stuck with Kemba. Now, I think and also he is clearly like just not even on the same plane as a player as the rest of these guys. So I mean, I don't really know how this could a worked much differently for you. I mean, I think if I were in your position, I might have taken him bead just to try to get some size within Embiid in Janas. How will those guys fifty out me? I've just got so much size compared to to your team right now. But I really had the advantage with having the first pick. So it's a, but I and you're going to get stuck with Kemba, regardless. So I think if I were you knowing that I would have been stuck with him. I might have tried to not draft the small guards, and I was trying to not draft the small guard well on you you get stuck there. I'll tell you why I didn't. And that's because of the idea between the starters and the closing five. I care more about the closing five in the starters. And I'm sitting there going well. Kemp is a good basketball player. I can use him in a lot of different ways, and he just won't be apartment closing five. Yeah. If these guys have to start both halves, which they probably do, you know, I'm hoping I can just run up the score enough during that period that it's not gonna matter as much. So all right. And let's talk just a little bit about the stars. These are the starters that we would have had a you except I would have had Brad Beal instead of Walker again. I mean, neither Walker nor Bieler anywhere close to the plane that the rest of these guys are on would you have had a D as a starter over Paul George. I I can't remember I think I did when we recorded the podcast, but things have changed since then I mean, Paul George continuing to play really really well and not only on these mistime time. Yeah. So when we picked it. Yeah. I had Paul George. That's I had. I mean, I had a D over Paul George. Also, the body of work to me speaks in favour of Davis. Also like rewarding you know, a center, you know, having a real some somebody who is among the best at his position and. Having that be represented? I I do like that. It's not it's more of a tie-breaker than anything else for me. But I it was something that weighed in his favor. So yes, we'll front court thing is got to go. I mean, that's the those done because everyone's I go all the centers suck. But that was like kind of like a three year. Lol and the NBA was trying to be like more forward thinking. And just like, oh, yeah. You don't have to have a Senator anymore. But really, I think just having like two guards and two Fords and a center actually makes more sense versus just guards and front court. So I mean, or or you can say it's point guard wings Biggs too. But generally most teams really going with one traditional big at this point. But anyway, like this whole front court thing. I mean, there's like I think three different ways of doing it that would be better than this. Right. I mean, you could have point guard shooting guard small forward power forward center or you could have guards. And or you could have point guard wings bigs as well doubt. All make more sense in the way, they do it right now. Well, I will say that. I would I'm happy that it's not point guard wing big because I'm happy that they're more point guards than two guards on this list because they're. Better players. Okay. So you have the first selection among the reserves. I am very curious to see what you're gonna do. My guess is that you are debating seriously between two different players here. That would be correct, sir. I am debating between two different players. And and I guess you can't reveal who those two are. Because you don't know because there's a possibility that you're not gonna take the other guy. And I am the reason that I'm choosing to the player that I'm God. It's this is this is the single hardest choice because I know I would be very much. Although for my team, I think the choice would be relatively clear for your team. It's tough though. Yeah. Because you you do not have a lot of Saizen include. I mean, I think we can agree that of the players remaining on the board AD is clearly the best player. Yes. But do you wanna go for a benefit? I mean, at least, you know, the AD because he's probably like just not even going to be allowed to play much the rest of the year. Like he's gonna be actually both. He's getting he's going to be more active. Actually is going to be one of the one of the things that I wanted to talk about what this pick and one more thing to if we're keeping it kind of real life realistic. If I were like, actually, LeBron real life. You knew I would have just picked street. I like that just just as like to create all the stories and like throw him, a boat is probably, hey, you know, you could still cut LA, well, and that that same logic. If I were honest, I would take Anthony Davis not only because the bucks were on his list. But because LeBron AD you want to keep them apart. I think that that's a part of it in with all of that said, I'm still cut you have so much size. Good lord. You like, oh, she's so weird. I'm going with clay. You know, what screw it? I'm going with quite there. So many centers. I love I love AD. I do I wonder what his activism is going, right? Like, what is actively level is going to be? But clay in this setting like the difference between him and Beal is that he's a way better defender. And I think that he could actually use that E. I mean, I'm drafting this more not necessarily an all star team where nobody. Tries on defense. But that his versatility there. I think could be useful with all my smoke guards. We saw this in or you weren't there in the game when they played the Sixers clay chasing around JJ Redick. And I I know that you don't have the now, but you are eventually going to have guys that he's going to have to do battle with. And so I'm going to go with Klay thinking that the the replacement player concept with him is actually steeper than it is for the bigs. Yup. I think that's true. Actually, I think the the is. And we'll talk about that with the the Rigaud bear snub as well. We can after we're done here. We'll talk about some of these selections tansel Russell. But yeah, I I am going to obviously go with AD now. I mean, he's clearly the best player. I think he's a better fit than in beat. He'll be in my closing line-up. Over embiid. Embiid. We'll talk shit later on social media, and it's not going to matter because my team's gonna look pretty awesome in the closing five and for those who are like Klay Thompson. What are you talking about? Like, he didn't even really deserve to be on the team, which I agree with. I don't think he deserves to be on the team the way he's played for most of the year. But just you gotta remember scale ability. There's only the whole there's only one ball that's a little bit of a Hackney conceit there. But the idea that you need a certain amount of shooting unique guys who can operate off the ball, even if they are gonna finish plays, and you need guys who can create and guys who can finish and so- clay. I mean, he's I tried to pick him before we even ran out of the starters last year. And I couldn't just because again, he's scales. So well, he's a good defensive player. He can switch. You can't leave him at all. He can run off some screens as wallet. If you need Jimmy he'll take a few too many twos. But you could also just not give the ball unless he's behind the three point line. And that's why he really just fits in. So I mean, I remember when Mike suggestion was not playing him on the Olympic team in two thousand sixteen. I was like, are you kidding me? Like, you know, he just playing like Carmelo Kyrie DaMarcus together over like Klay and Paul George allege like you just don't understand how teams fit together at all. When you have this much talent. If you're doing that, so yeah. And tom. Listen just doesn't really have any weaknesses, which are is going to be here. I mean, there just are not many weaknesses among all these guys here. So I'm I'm a little jealous that you got clay. 'cause I you know, AD I felt like I could gotten some other big so, but obviously I like him better than Embiid. And now our team can switch one through five two at the end of the game, which should meet pretty nasty with my second pick. I'm conflicted between taking somebody that. I'm convinced would be your next pick and taking somebody who makes more sense with my team. Let's make a note of that. By the way, I wanna hear who you thought I was gonna take Oregon's after I take him. You can. Yeah. You can say that. But then sorry, go ahead. So so basically between my need and your need because my team is still very low on big men. However, there are a lot of them and my preference. I do have preferences. But I don't think those preferences are particularly severe so I'm just gonna make your team worse. Nope. This this is why why there's another there two guys. I can just earmuffs. And if you want to just say, no, no, no, no. I'll explain. After you make your pick. So I'm going to go with an this probably surprised a lot of people. But again, it goes to the positional scarcity. I'm going to go with Chris Middleton because there isn't really another type of guy like him, you know, middle the more wing sized guys. And I just like how he can fit your has played with you honest, obviously as been I think Middleton is actually going to be the first reserve taken. I think this is gonna take him over a AD made comments to that effect. And I think Middleton, you know, there are a lot of guys that I like the other big thing for me is that Ben Simmons. I'm thinking about it like that his fit with Janas in particularly great though, it would be fun to see those guys together. So you know, if there are other guys that if they're around I might take them. But I just think Middleton, you know, he's kind of the last of his ilk there, and so I was because he's bigger than Beal. So I'm like, okay. I can do something with that. Because other than Paul George. You have all the other wing size guys. So I'm like, okay. I'll get one more. Yeah. I wish if Middleton were just a little bit better defensively, I think he would have been. An obvious pick. And I might even have considered taking him. But yeah, this this is really interesting here now for me. And remember the way we're dealing with this work pretending that this is like, you know, an NBA finals series with these teams matching up or you know, a game seven of the finals like everyone's playing hard. We're not gonna be like, oh, well, you know, Russell Westbrook works great in the all-star game. Because like he plays really hard and push the ball. And nobody's trying. I'm we're not going through that kind of analysis route trying to win an all star game. We're trying to say if these teams really match up with each other, and we're playing hard and had some time to be coached and stuff. So that said, I think I'm gonna maintain my theme of versatility here. And I will go with Ben Simmons just to give another guy who can come in still do my switching one through five approach. We're gonna try to a lot of that. I do like the transition game. We got a lot of great transition players here. You know, he could sub in for hardening everyone else on my team can shoot. So I'm not really that worried about his lack of shooting ability. And I'm thinking of him as more of you know, a ten or fifteen minutes game reserve anyway who can come in and defend and still play the same system. So I I like my team a lot better than years defensively. That's where I'm still kind of focusing here now. So do you want to reveal what you're doing? Or did I pick that you didn't pick guy? So if you're never gonna take Damian Lillard, I'm taking Damian Lillard because he's a wonderful offensive player. I now have the if we're drawing positions the way, I draw them. I now have the four best point guards in the world. Which is pretty exciting. I can just play them to in to. I don't care you can play pick and roll. Because all my guys are just going to switch you and whatever Dame can do find. I'm not I'm not super concerned about it. And also it sticky him away from you. And again, this is keeping with the idea. Basically, I think part of what's going on here is that neither one of us is taking big time. Because once somebody takes one you can just take another. And then it's fine. You know, the the margin there. So I'm just gonna keep taking guys that aren't that? Who I just I have the biggest difference between how much I like them. And I like their compatriots for me the. The the margin between Dame Lowery. And during Russell is the biggest of any of the positional groups that makes sense to me again. I'm just I I got plenty of guys who can run pick and roll I don't really need like a point guard. I would rather have a six nine point guard, which I have a number of guys or, you know, a six five point guard who you know, you can't post up. So I can't believe on touting hardens defense that much maybe being a little bit of a shell here for for my squad. Okay. So still left on the board here the Smalls. I guess you could say Russell Westbrook, Bradley Beal, Kyle Lowry. Bigs lamarcus Nicole Yokich Blake Griffin vote-rich alrea. Forget Russell among the swallows. I guess it did. Well, he he's he's not really an all-star. And I'm already resigned to the fact that I'm gonna get stuck with us. So there's really there's really no way around it at this point. Okay. I'm trying to decide whether to go big now at this point. I do have two bigs already. I mean with between him beat AD you. I'm not really wanting to play that many other centers. You know, I have to play him bead in the starting lineup. So I think I'm gonna go with Blake Griffin here. Another guy who can grab and go he can shoot it. Well, enough his defensive certainly Wayne this year as he's but another guy who at his best could move his feet a little bit and switch. He's a tank you can en- guard in the post a little bit. I'm hopeful that in a more limited role. He can defend better than he has since he got to Detroit. So that's where I'm going with Blake here. And I am very curious to see where you're going to go next. I would love to go with another player. Just because I do have another preference there. But I'm going to take I'm gonna take Karl Antony towns, I think that he can fit in really well with what I'm doing. I wonder what his physical potential defensively like how that could. Work there. And I love what Yokich does. But with this many good teammates, even though guys like Stephan Kyrie can do a lot of work Klay, obviously off ball. I feel like towns towns is probably to me a more intuitive fit on a team that doesn't have to use his unique gifts. And so that's why I'm going with towns over over yoga. Yeah. I love the fact that you just don't care about defense on this team. At at all, I'm going to take Brad Beal at this point. I need one more shooter. And he's really the best one left on the board at this point in anything. He's hit at least will try defensively he's got some size. So a not ideal fit into my switching system. But we're getting to the ninth man now. So I think Bill we are going to need one more shooter off the bench other than K D. I mean, we've got guys who would definitely make shots who've got letter we've got hardened, but those aren't guys who are just kind of pure spot up shooting type of guys. That's why I'm gonna go with bionic. We we still have a real need there. And I feel pretty good about my team. Now, we're probably just getting down to the reserves here. That top nine. I feel great about at this point. I was really helping you. We're going to take a big because then that would make my decision easier. So instead maybe out of spite I'm taking Kyle Lowry because I don't want to have like Russ in de ngelo. I just don't really need either of them and so- rally. I like more than the other ones and I'm torn between bigs. So I'm going to my hoping that you'll make a decision. And if you don't then all just choose whoever I want Trump. All right. So we still have lamarcus Yokich Westbrook Vujovic and Russell Nicole Yokich is by far the best player of those guys remaining. He is a magical passer, which can help these guys all improve. I am a Lou worried about the defense. Lamarcus is probably the best defensive player remaining. I also it doesn't make any sense for me to draft Westbrook because you're not gonna take him. You've got eight million point guards. So I can always just get him later. So I will go with Nicole Ioka just guy think he's that much better than lamarcus. And. Yeah, you know, that's he's not going to switch. It all lamarcus could do that a little better. But he's still not great at it. So at this point that there's no. Great fit here. I will stick with yoga just because of the passing in the shooting at the can scale pretty well. In a way that lamarcus doesn't really Yokich was probably the better pick for your team. And I think lamarcus is the better pick for my team. So I'm happy I'm happy to have him. Like that was kind of how I expected it to go around before this, which is unfortunate because I actually would've taken Beal. If I would've known that you would awaited another round, just Adam. I like, Bradley Beal, I think is an a good fit for this. So I'm taking lamarcus here. That's not not really much hesitation for me. I think he's a better player for this format that we're using to pick than the other guys like Russ is certainly a talented player. You know, he is a recent MVP he is higher on the echelon. But he is totally superfluous on my team. And I mean, I have a million point guards, and they fit in better in this kind of a system. Now, we were planning a single all star game. I would take Russell lot higher because he plays like he gives a shit, and that's useful. But that's a different exercise. Unfortunately, his giving shit results in a lot of shots taken a forty percent shooting, which probably isn't. What you want in all sorts setting. I'm actually a little torn here team chemistry. Russell Westbrook is not the kinda guy who's going to sit on the bench and be happy about it. He in K Dido get really get along. So you know, what? And also, maybe there's some possibility that I could force the ngelo Russell on you. If I don't take Westbrook. So I'm gonna take Nicole vuckovich. I do I don't I don't want Westbrook on my team because I don't think he's going to be good for chemistry, and as we're getting down to the eleventh man here, it doesn't really matter at so which is gonna play from either. But he's a first time all-star, hopefully, he'll be cool with you know, getting a few spot minutes here. And there you had the chance to put the okay see trio back together and chose not to do it that. Yeah. The there's and those guys didn't want to be together either. Well, maybe maybe in the beginning. I think they probably get along decently. Now, I mean, probably took some time, but you are not going to stand. While Russell on me. I mean, you could there is an argument to be made that with everything that Russell might make more sense with my team. But I shouldn't have said it that way because Westbrook and de ngelo because he's you know, he's a more capable shooter. He can function more off ball, but Westbrook active defensively, he gets to play with Paul, George, which we should be exciting and Abby he assisted on the bench and watch Paul George play. You mean, hey, maybe he can learn how good poachers can be in crunch time. Maybe that maybe that'll be the lesson in that can Oakley. Okay. So you can king gain a real benefit from it. So I'm gonna take Russ over to until Russell he is a meaningfully better player, and I care about that at this juncture, so I'm gonna go with Westbrook. And I could see that you might actually wanna play Westbrook over Kemba potentially. So yeah, I'm stuck with the ngelo Russell to finish it out here. Who do you think is the last player drafted like in real life? Probably I mean. There are so many muscle. Russell suck. And second to last like there there are so many Biggs and food is good. But I think that he's especially when Yoenis and LeBron or the or the captains, I think they will value. The guys you can do with the ball in their hands. And so that will lead to some of them going higher in the draft. Like, I think Russell Westbrook is going to go a lot higher than he did in this one in particular, but votes. Yes, if which would be my my pick, I'm not one hundred percent confident in I mean, if if victory depot had been healthy than I would have been almost onto percent confident. But sadly is not. So it's a more challenging thing. I guess I I would Fisher people were healthy. I have drafted him before a lot of these guys. But unfortunately, he is not. And it wouldn't surprise me. If a Russell just because maybe he's still unpopular due to that the snitching episode, which I've personally, I mean, that's not that wasn't great. But it's not like Nick young was like being a good guy for what he got out. Four. Let's talk a little bit about some of the subs here. I mean for me, I'll let you go first here who would you who made it would you have had out? And who would you replace them with we talked about this a little bit before? But now that we actually have the teams. I it's interesting to talk about go bear is the most obvious inclusion for me, I would have had him. So for talking Western Conference deserves because you're not allowed to swap it over. And also that is stupid like it doesn't have if you're especially if you're not drafting by teams that should be the twenty actually it should be the twenty six best players. But if it's going to be the twenty four also we have to I guess technically do that you can pick to win with whenever you want. But unless you're not which would actually be kind of funny. But I I am going to pick way just because jerk Izumi's is such a defensive liability. That is just an a year has to play in a little bit. If I mean, I guess we're not doing an actual all star format. But so, but but but. Take weight and LeBron would of course, take way because that's this guy. So for me, the the most egregious non chosen player is Rudy Gobert. I would have taken him over lamarcus. I mean, he would have been my winnow because technically didn't start. So he would have been my second west big behind Anthony Davis. And I mean, he's been awesome this year. So that could mean a lamarcus is out that could mean clay, I I just don't think clay warranted it with his play over the course of the season. Now, his body of work as a career is I picked him. I of the reserves for reason. So you have that. I mean, the Angelo in terms of let's let's say though, when I let's just talk quickly about about the west. Yeah. I mean, Gobert to me he was ninth of my twelve selections, but the two guys one of the two guys that one of the two guys that I would have had out for him were both guards Westbrook and Klay Thompson. And when you're comparing go bear to Karl Anthony towns or lamarcus Aldridge you. I think that's probably what happened in the coaches voting other than. The explanation. I gave yesterday to which is that, you know. I think the because coaches focus on defense more than their preparation that leads them to over eight offense players but under eight defense of players because you're not preparing to go bear as much at least during the regular season. Maybe during a playoff series, you would more. So if you're comparing him to towns and Aldridge, you it's not as much of a trap. See I think he's been better than both of those guys. But not so obviously better this. You're certainly the impact metrics like better those of been lower on towns and Aldridge, but those guys also provide a lot more on offense than Gobert does. So that's not as much of a travesty. I think he's been so much better than Westbrook, and clay, but if the coaches are saying, you know, voting for guards there, the Western Conference reserve guards other than Lillard. There isn't really anyone who looked like a lock I ended up having Jrue holiday and go bare rather than Westbrook and Thompson and both those guys numbers. Just you know, they don't really have a case in my view with Wes. For being inefficient as he has yet. His passing has been great. But there's really a forty eight percent shooting his tough tough to deal with. But should we turn to the east? Now here did you wanna add any more on the west? I don't really need to add anything more for those in the east. There were I went back and looked at my sheet that we're kind of two subs that I would make one would be, and you could think of this in either, you know, so do the worst guy who made it on his diangelo Russel to me the best guy who didn't is Jimmy Butler. I mean butlers cases a little bit bizarre because of everything that happened in Minnesota. But then the other one is Myles Turner and Chris Middleton Middleton part of that fabulous bucks team. But I think Turner has been and I remember this is as we were picking and the Pacers defense has gone a little downhill, but there are other reasons for that as well. So those would have been my to you know, it was it was true. Then I I'm not haven't really seen anything to go away from that sort of an evaluation at this point. Yeah, Russell wasn't even remotely in consideration. For me. He's not even the best point guard on his own team. He's fifty three percent true shooting awful awful defensive player. You know, he's the. Three points below the league average, basically in terms of true shooting, and he's the kind of guy who beats up on bad defenses. And anytime you get guys with with mobility or athleticism. It's gonna fall apart for him. Can't get to the rim. It all he finishes. Fifty three percent at the rim. He doesn't get to the foul. Totally dependent on the jump shot passing has taken a step forward. But I mean, I don't think he's even necessarily a top fifteen point guard in league we'll have to go through a rankings might fudge that by a few numbers either way. But I mean, I think Eric Bledsoe. Al Horford, PASCAL Siaka, not to mention Butler as well. Ola depot is another one. I think even before the injury. He just was personally missed a month. He only had one year of being really good last year, though, that was obviously far superior to a lot of the guys on this last year who were in this year in the east. But and then also, you know to have this injury missed nearly two months of the season. Now by the time the all star game actually gets here and wasn't playing at that great of a level either. So I didn't really think there's much of an argument for him other than just only made it last year in the Pacers are pretty good and we have to pick for the Pacers. Myles Turner was the guy that you talked me into at the end you I think he's taken a step back. The Pacers defense taken a step back as well as the that's a little tougher. But they're really just you know, who was that twelfth got Jimmy Butler was obvious to me just because of what he's done in the past. And you know, he's been pretty solid this year for the Sixers, and yeah, I did that thing in Minnesota. Maybe that's the coach's trying to punish him for that. By not selecting him that just doesn't really make much sense to me at all. I mean, it makes sense to me, but it's not fair when he's just so much better of a player than the rest of these guys. And then you know, Middleton to me was also the third best guy on his own team. In terms of the impact metrics, it's really been right around the league average in terms of true shooting. Dow's one of those ones aren't the books are really good. Who's the second player? We're gonna pick from them. Oh Khris Middleton at a really hot. I two weeks of the year. And so we're not gonna actually really like look at his stats and what he's doing. And and he's a guy's been talked about for longer. It's presumedly is going to get a MAC contract. But I think both blood so and Lopez had been better than him this year, even if he's maybe more valuable because of the position he plays. So yeah, I was not a huge fan of the Russell pick or the depot pick. And you know, I think that that those it just yeah. The east is pretty rough. But I think Jimmy Butler to me has a bigger grievance than really go. Bayer does just because like I got selected instead of him was just so bad. And and this is really interesting, Danny we should talk about this. What does it mean? Now that Dangelo Russell made an all star team. And that's gonna really complicate things for the nets it shouldn't because he's not a deserving all star. But it's going to gear is a huge threshold in not the nets thinking. But every other teams about whether this player, whoever it is is good enough as a restricted free agent to really go after and why I would be concerned as the nets is an all-star appearance might be enough to encourage the team, especially a team that may may not be as well run. There are few examples that could be there that might be point guard needy to say, hey, this is our guy like we've we might as well go after it, especially if they're not unrestricted. Destination is the twenty three year old store. Exactly. And so that's why they should be scared. Re restricted free agency this year. I think that a lot of teams are going to be out when the first line of music stops. And then the teams that are left a lot of them. Like, let's say it's the clippers like, I don't think the clippers are going to go hard after de ngelo Russell those types teams. But if it's Phoenix if it's I mean, I think Orlando is better run. But there might be a circumstance I mean, they're so point guard needy. And if one of those teams offers him like twenty million a year, you're sitting there going well shit. And then you give me all good. It'd be more than that. Now twenty five because the courts it's going to be more than that. Well, I mean, it depends on which teams have cap space available because restricted free agents are always after the first stage. So maybe maybe somebody gets spoken for that were surprised by it's good point guard market in the unrestricted free L absolute will. Yeah. And unfortunately for teams like the magic and all that there are not from what I hear. They're not that many point guards Mirant is really the guy, maybe garland. So I'm not sure that anybody will draft one and say, we don't want to sign anybody. Either 2017 we saw the point guard market, really. Impacted by the drafting of point guards. But I anticipate that being as much of an issue this year. Yeah. I mean to me it's really going to be more are the nets can have the balls to not match. I mean, can you let and it doesn't look like they are in the mix for some of these great free agents. Despite the fact that they handle the space. I we'd sort of viewed it as fate company at the start of the year that that Russel twenty one million capital. They're gonna just let that go. And it seemed unlikely that he would resign. And it doesn't seem that they made any progress at all an extension talks. So yeah, I mean are they going to have the balls to just trust their evaluation and let him go or they just going to say, hey, we're trying to build something here. He's been a big part of it. He was in. Also, we'll see how he plays the rest of the season two and they are going to make the playoffs. We'll see how he plays in the playoffs. But yeah, it's that'd be a huge mistake in my view to spend that kind of money on a guy who number one. I don't think has the upside, you know, I mean because really I think he's shooting about as well as he can right now. I don't think he can get much better there and just just maybe become a little bit better a passer. Lupu better defender, there's really. You know with his athleticism not a ton of upside Gill up better. And so I mean, it's like always an all star. Yeah. We pay him twenty five billion. Yeah. That's perfectly good. No. Let's let's come down a little bit there. I wanna make you thing there. I mean, I've been mentally in the process of starting to work on my off season preview stuff because I'm start working on that in two weeks. But Brooklyn's long-term financial flexibility is very impacted by what they decide with Daniel Russell because they don't have a lot of long term money on the books. They have Dinwiddie who's at about eleven twelve million a year. And then eventually they're going to have to probably pay care silver. And then they will you know, depending on who does well from this group be one or two other guys Jared Jared. But if you give de ngelo Russell twenty five twenty eight million you have a lot less to work with. And so even if this, you know, the the rosy scenario of Kenny Atkinson's, a coach that people wanna play for urine a major market, even if you're not the team in that major market, you have a lot less to work with unless they think they can get the ngelo Russell at that kind of price. And then he still passes the test, and so they can move him. But that's a really risky gamble. I I wouldn't I wouldn't have the confidence to that. Yeah. I wouldn't either. And you know, having made the all star team the idea of like getting into agree on a relatively low. Ball offerings gonna want the backs out. You know, so so before restricted free agency is going to be tough. And imagine if like Andrew Wiggins had been in the east his second year, he's averaging twenty two or twenty three game and each he could have been all starting. And then you know, they ended up Maxine him out. Anyway, I mean, that's all you didn't you to give it a chance to go. Oh, and maybe then somebody would have done enough to give him the max of. I was I I didn't know new myself quickly enough. That's why shouldn't. Another another consequence here, you can basically right? Klay Thompson ticket to hall of fame. Now, I think, you know, a fifth all star team already a three time champion looks likely to be a four-time champion. He's gonna make a dream on green not making it a. I mean, I didn't even really think it was possible that clay could make it frankly, Draymond green not making it. You know, that's a little bit of a blow to his all star chances because he didn't make it in twenty fifteen years only what I think a three time all star that's kind of right on the borderline. Although if Dennis Rodman made it you'd have to think that he'd be Rodman had a lot of longevity though. Despite getting a really late start in terms of his age. I think he was like twenty four twenty five by the time he debuted. So that that's interesting to keep in mind as well. Blake Griffin getting an all star selection. I think that's some it's going to help push him in that direction as well. Kyle lowry. Another interesting one for him to make another team that I didn't think that was a lock at all just based on the time that he's missed that is stats are not that. Unbelievable. I think you know, I think he was deserving in in an Eastern Conference by the impact metrics were there weren't really many other great selections. I think the coaches did it right that time. So that's really interesting one as well. Kemba Walker or starting the all star game in his hometown. The that's pretty huge at any other one here on UC that like, oh, this all star selection is really going to burnish their historic legacy. Lamarcus aldridge. I mean, he's going to be hall of Famer I think it was the six seven Allstars for him. Now, you think a lot more about that than I do. So I will I think it's really nice as a feather in the cap for somebody like Chris Middleton. It's very possible. This ends up being his only all star. I don't think it affects his hall of fame credentials or anything like that. But I like for a guy who's been good for a while to get that opportunity. Oh, actually, there is one other thing. I wanted to ask you got does claim making the all star team changed the way you think about his all MBA eligibility are viability because that was something that I thought was basically off the table and now with him making it a Mike, maybe the maybe it's a different voting pool. But maybe they'll consider him as well. Especially if the warriors play well in the second of season. Alright. Well, so let's think about this. Curry Irving harden. Those guys are locks. Colored is Alaka ahead of him. So now he's in competition with Kemba Beal Lowry ole depot, getting injured helps them a lot actually at the guard position. Ben Simmons is probably going to be counted as a guard. Yeah. Okay. So it's really Klay Kemba, Simmons, Beal and Lowry. Yeah. Wouldn't shock me, especially if he plays with all the rest of the season, if the warriors continue on this really nice run that they've been on as well twelve and one in their last thirteen game too. If they get to sixty wins as their projected to shit he could make and that has huge implications for the off season. Yeah. Joe lake of head some comments today or yesterday with Takao commie saying that money is going to be no object. Now, they don't have to pay him the full thirty five percent of the salary cap. It could in theory, give the words of financial advantage of what they already had the financial evanger with the eight percent raises and the thirty max that was yeah. That's the other part of this is that you cannot offer a thirty can't offer a designated veteran contract for fewer than five years as a new contract. So they can't do that light fun. Thing of like, oh thirty three percent for four years or three years, plus one or something like that. Thirty three percent for five years. But yeah. So I mean, and that was already going to be a really bad contract by the end. And now if he makes sense native veteran, I mean that would be. Yeah. That's that would be a big problem for the warriors. And the thought has been that is long as the warriors come correct with their offer Claes can leave. But it's going to be a problem when if they try to low ball him in some respected their thought, maybe he could get the derozen, you know, the five year a little bit less than the max. But still way more guaranteed. He got from another team. So yeah, I mean the, but the idea that, hey, you're not paying me. Absolutely as much as you can. Yeah. That's a concern. Aren't I think we can wrap up here for this segment? Don't know when this is going to run exactly or what we're going to have before after this. So, you know, maybe we're done. We're not. We'll see.

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Hour 3: Tobias Harris

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Hour 3: Tobias Harris

"The. Stanford Gundy in with us as he will be every week throughout the NBA season. I just asked him we do precious little prep around here. And it's obvious with basically every syllable. But we actually asked stand during the break stand. Do you have anything in sports that you're fired up about? And then he starts talking about the government shutdown and being guilty walking through an airport. So go heads stand tell the people whatever it is that you wanna tell them about the government shutdown and the guilt you felt walking through the airport. What look I don't care what side of the. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Stan I'm so sorry. Oh. You wonder? You wanted. He wanted that lead to talk about that. I'm sure we'll get to. I did you know, it's like this. It's like if. Here is the question of from the magical, creative content that has pretty damn impeccable timing. I'm hoping it's a good question. Like the last one, what is your favorite home in your room? I'm sorry. What is your favorite room in your home? And why? Bathroom. Wow. Chris got in there. Fast bathroom is your favorite what his kitchen for quiet time alone with my thoughts. Whether it's whether it's the doing the bathroom or whether it's showering. It's just I'm alone. And I'm just she's nice that is someone who's trying to get away from crying, baby. I don't think a lot of people would go with bathroom there, ROY ROY. What would be your choice the kitchen? Of course, ROY likes him some food even though all ages Doritos. My favorite at my bedroom. I got a TV in their got apple TV, watch everything. Maybe it's it's nice. I was gonna say that when you said you were in the bathroom alone. Baby. Limited show on Instagram and Twitter stand. What about you? In fact, we'll put it on the poll at lebatardshow just give them a list of rooms in the house. I'm think most people are gonna take bedroom there. I'm going to go bedroom in for a lot different reasons than a mean. And I want to apologize on behalf of ESPN Disney, and everyone who has ever had a visual thought on what standing Gundy just created in your life in terms of visual. No, dan. That's where I do the lebatardshow from when I'm home. Yeah. Rappers all over the floor, and that bedroom Eminem rappers all over the how big how big was the did you get a normal bag of Eminem's that you split last night between this morning, a normal Bagger giant bag, a super son, just the small bag just the small bag, excellent restraint Eminem, and the only reason. No, they didn't have the bigger bag. You're looking for the bigger banks. Is this the biggest size you have. Do I did think about getting two of them? And I said now, that's probably pushing it too far twenty seven dollars. You guys were great on the subject of Kyrie Irving before the show. I wonder how all of this is going over in his locker room. When STAN Van Gundy says he saw them have more success last year without him. And now they're struggling with him or competently with expectations. He's sitting here talking about how experienced he is. And how experiences teammates aren't and he's telling people publicly called LeBron James who embarrassed pretty publicly by blindsiding and leaving the franchise in a way that made a whole lot of people look at LeBron James selfish and difficult he called LeBron James Mike play that sound again for the audience. So they could see the context, and so they can hear his tone that can understand entirely what it is that Kyrie Irving is doing here for young player. Wanted to everything fingertips I wanted everything to be at my threshold. I wanted to be the guy that let us change on one of these leader. I wanted to be all that and other responsibility any best player in the world. Leading team is something that's not meant for many people. Brown was one of those guys that came to Cleveland and try to show us what it's like when you're championship, and it was hard for sometimes get the most out of the group. He's not the easiest thing in the world. And like I said only fewer or mid for chosen forward. And you know, I feel like the best person called him because you know, he's been in this situation. So earlier STAN you said that he felt like he was trying to put his teammates on blast. And as I listened to it now, even though yes that was the effect that happened. I wonder if in Kyrie's mind, he was actually trying to connect to the hey, I was just like you once upon a time. Yeah. But but again, I I mean he sort of exalting himself. He tried to put himself on the same level as LeBron as you know, there's very few people in this world who are meant for this role. And he's calling out his teammates, which he does all the time. I'm just not a big I'm not a big fan of that. I don't mind it in your locker room or on the court, but to go out in the media and do it. I'm not a big fan. I mean, you can talk about what the team needs to do. And you can talk about what you need to do better. I'll tell you what Debbie heck of a lot better off if Kyrie would play consistently the way he played last night. He was outstanding last night. We haven't seen that on a consistent basis. I think he ought to concern himself more with that than with worrying about what his teammates are doing wrong. I'm curious whether you guys agree with what I'm about to say because we cannot -solutely, hyper analyze this. We will do it with the soap opera stuff, especially. In the content business when we need something to talk about or argue about but isn't this as simple as he left Cleveland because he wanted the team to revolve around him. And he went to Boston is the same guy who wants the team revolve around him. Yeah. I think you're hitting it on the head. I mean, that's what he wants. I mean, you can hear it any statement where he talks about you know, how few people were meant for this role, obviously putting himself. They're like, okay. We get it kyri. You've used your time to tell us how great you are. And you're right there with LeBron as a leader and the whole thing, I get it. But that's that's why he left it's Alette because he could not be that in Cleveland as long as the brunt. Was there he came to Boston? And there's a feeling of oh slowdown guys is much. And this is why came you. But the problem with Boston is what stand mentioned earlier when LeBron went to Cleveland he went to a team that was terrible and made them into championship contenders in champion his team. Kyrie's team. Yes. It was Kyrie's team. That was terrible. Yes. But when Kyrie went to Boston he had the misfortune of getting hurt and those guys going on and being successful. And so now, even though LeBron's wars. Resonate with despite his terrible past. Now, the the tables of turn. And now Kyrie's words don't resonate with the young guys. But at least they have a legitimate excuse why. Because hey, we been successful. We went to game seven of the conference finals. I love the lack of self awareness in it. I love the rationalization and the idea that Kyrie Irving says to himself, I'm so frustrated with this. It's not about me. Clearly, it's about all these guys. Let me go and call the LeBron's why? So we can both talk about the value of having Kevin love in your locker room. So that everyone just criticizes him like. So maybe he'll do something in Boston where they trade for Kevin love, you know, Boston would love to have Kevin love where they can trade some of those assets for Kevin love. So the Kyrie Irving can have someone he can blame. Yeah. I mean, look at mean hit on it that team was pretty good before he came and they played very well without him. The situations are not the same. And look I raise a great player. I think he's one of the best point guards in the league. He's not LeBron James understand that even if you become a great player a great leader. You're not LeBron James. Stretching for some ads. It's too bad. We ran out of time there. I was really hoping to hear STAN Van Gundy thoughts on the government shutdown. Instead, we will get his hot nuggets in your face and the next segment. Gyco presents unhelpful home improvement. How To's a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills? So today, I'll show you how to cook a serious fall by filling your bathroom with thousands of plastic balls. Just nail a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls, you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency. Visit Geico dot com and see how a forcible renter's insurance can be done Libertad. Is there any other athlete from any other sport that you can remember that played all the time with a toothpick? No, it's crazy. Nobody would do that today. And I was one of those cinnamon toothpicks. Remember, I used to have those in grade school used to love those tin foil flavored traded stormtroopers and stuff for those toothpicks those flavored spicy toothpicks to guts. Troopers like the little stormtrooper Addy action. Great trade in high school. I got reprimanded. A mother got called in. Because I traded some fed kid. I gave him a single dorito for a stormtrooper action figure and it became like, rob them. Yeah. I was thirty five years old VC's live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. You guys always bring it strong for us. When we requested it's overwhelming and it's flattering. So you've made me podcast. The biggest thing going overnight in terms of subscriptions. We thank you for that. We do not take that for granted the way that when we ask you to support something you support it like that. Where all of a sudden mean times podcast is the number one thing I head of everything yesterday. So thank you for that Amine, just walked through the bar here at the Cleveland or that we have and he's raving about weird, Al Jankovic. We'll get to that in a second. Who was that yankovitch I called him Jankovic because a former univer-? -versity of Miami athletic director Sam jank of it. He also goes pick not. No, you should probably go buy vich. But he goes by weird. Al yankovic. Yeah. It's a big one. We'll get to that. In a second. Thank you guys for all your contributions. But I'm told before we get to the nuggets here. I'm told that we have some sort of special guest to it's called in here and want us to stop everything we're doing and take his call. So who's on the line plays a little Daniel? This is yours truly Mr. the always a pleasure to be on the program. Thank you fake Howard Cosell. Why are you calling? I am calling in because today. January seventeen two thousand nineteen would have been the seventy seven th birthday of the true goat. The greatest of all time. Hamad alley and is name is Muhammad Ali. And I understand you remembered little James Earl Jones and Betty wakes. But they, but you were remiss and remembering the likes of the champion of all time you called in just reprimand me. I forgot kid rock Jim Carrey and Steve Harvey too. About those guys. I have to tell you something. And I know you would appreciate this Daniel because you are a great historian. But it really was that day in London when we went and saw alley Kansas. My cell clay at the time by little Henry Cooper in London down and I saw him. And I said, I we got to get him back to New York. We got him into eighteen studios. And of course, the rest is history. The next thing we've fighting in neighborhood against the women we shops list. All right, whatever seventy seventh birthday. Muhammad ali. Happy birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. Is he done or does? He have anything else. Does he have any more material this fake Howard Cosell? Okay. Good time now for standing Gundy's hot nuggets in your face. Not exactly. Top MBA nuggets owning Thursday show. The thing that was my fault. That was my fault. I was three seconds early. I know when that's supposed to be played. And I did it at the wrong time stand Gundy, what is the theme for your hot hot nuggets two games last night show. What the NBA has become. Oh, wow. All right. Let's see what the NBA has become a commodity and STAN Van Gundy got no time for your threes. I hope this isn't another disguised you talking about how many threes everyone shooting number three's stand. It actually is then. But here we go Golden State beat New Orleans one hundred forty seven to one forty Brooklyn beat Houston one forty five to one forty two. It was the first time ever that four teams of scored hundred forty or more in the same night and that comes night after four of the six games were decided by thirty plus points. Another NBA record. That's got to better than that. Number two. Hot nugget in your face from STAN Van Gundy. Golden State combined to set an NBA record with forty three made threes Steph curry led the way by going seven eight three in the third quarter on the way to nine made threes this came one night after the warriors made ten threes in the first quarter on the way to an NBA record fifty one points and finally stand van Gundy's hottest nugget in your faces Houston in Brooklyn set an NBA record with a combined one hundred six three point attempts in Houston, shattered, the record for a single team with seventy three point attempts. Breaking the old record of sixty one Houston shooting more threes than twos for the second straight season. Steph curry stuff, I don't even know who I'd put second place for greatest shooter of all time given how much distance put between himself and anyone. Else? Have you seen the stats? I mean on what he's doing from thirty to thirty five feet. Percent. I think that's ounce. Low is do you have it? Right. I thought I read fifty four percent. But it's something absurd. It somehow. It's like, I think forty five percents in the forties. But it still it's incredible. What he shoots the distance. He shoots from and shooting off the dribble. He he alone has changed the entire game in the NBA. There was a point. I believe it was two seasons ago where he was shooting better from thirty out than Zaza Patil shooting at the rim. I'm not I'm not effective feel percent on my his pure Rothfield percentage was higher from thirty feet out. Thousands was in the paint, right? Donlevatar? What's to stop other? What it sounds like a dumb one box plus mine. Yep. About rings, plus minus. I mean. Okay. Six for MJ three for LeBron. Stugatz. What lebrons rings in a box. And then put 'em. Jay's rings in a box. Tell me who has more. That's. Us three by the way. Our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. So Tobias Harris is on with us. Now, STAN Van Gundy freighted forum and then traded him. So that should be awkward just sent him away. I don't know what that conversation was like maybe Tobias hairs, what do you stand? Why you cringe in what's going on? What happened? You're you. What's the matter? Well, I don't have many guys in this league that I like and respect as much as Tobias. And that's by far the hardest. Personnel move. I've ever been a been a part of because to buy not only a great player. But a guy who was totally committed to being a great player into the team. I mean, it was just it was just really tough. And he knows how much I respect not only as a player. But as a as a person in what he's all about. He looks legitimately crushed here about having had to trade you Tobias. Thank you for joining us. What would you tell us about having that conversation with STAN as you as you left? Thanks for having me on that was a tough conversation. Name coach great dialogue. Great relationship. Just in terms of going out and playing for the team and even off the floor just in terms of different things that were going on in life and knows is tough combo because he's one of my favorite coaches that I've been able to fight for and such a hard working coach. So like, you know, that's the part of life in a game. And it's no, no sour milk. We just we still still communicate to this day. So you know, it's all love at the end of the day. Also, all love is your relationship with Bo please tell us as much as you can about how interesting that dude is because you guys have become friends. You've got you know, you projects together. Like, what can you tell us about Bowe ban that people don't know? Great guy lie all around just a mazing person to be around had a great spirit never has a bad day and just a funny character tube. So be on two different places in the world. I'm able to show him a little bit of my culture. He's able to show me some of his and we kinda just have become really good friends off of that. And just you know, he's a he's a character. And a funny guy to be around. So he bring you he brings a good joy to everybody that he's he's around head stand to buy. Do we have any new episodes of the Toby and Bobi show resent only an off off-season thing? Well, he's a it was funny because the other day he came to me he goes to show go on. You're right. This show. Does is so have to go on. So right now when we get some free time, we're we're going to sit down and talk about some little things you do. And and then go from there because a lot of people like that we had a lot of fun with it. And it was cool. So for sure to show will go on I want to follow up questions here. One what part of his culture. Did he show you that you found most memorable or startling and which side of your culture? Did you show him that made him be taken aback? Yeah. What part of what he sells me is like he's tried to sell some music from his culture and like hip hop from this culture, kind of which is hard for me to kinda understand because speak the language at all. That makes. Yes. But what I tell show him a lot of things he should just come to ask me like who's this singing the song, or what type of food is that or you know, things things that of all different things. Like, I've shown them different rap artists that I came love listening to and fee starts listening to them. And then he okay. Like the other day. He recited biggie lies at I was like, all right. I see both like I know you do that. So it's all good over the line. Can you can you repeat them not on air? Now. Can't we saw we saw. So we can win on. The big top invis- this aside some lives in there. So I was like okay both. I see can we do this. Can we guessed the line? And you can just say yes, or no that way we'll be in trouble. But you won't be. No, let's not that way. No. That seems. That seems. You are someone who has changed your eating habits a lot. I'm just curious. Can you explain to us? What was Tobias Harris doing the most wrong before in terms of extreme measures to take care of his body? And what is the most right that you're doing now as you realize, oh, I've gotta fix this. I can't just eating McDonald's all the time. Yeah. What was Donald hall? But you know, it was a probably like three years three and four years into the league. When I I just kind of locked in realize a healthier way of eating and that was kinda cutting out different different fats that were in my diet cutting out like, you know, I was like a heavy bread eater and things like that. So just finding different ways to create more of a of a plant based type raw diet where I'm able to get different fats from cleaner type foods, and I think the biggest change was just hiring a private chef to to make these meals for me understanding everything that he's putting in and the Queen away eating so on the verse type either like I like eating food. But I know the foods that are going to help me with my performance, and and make me just just more. It had more energy and a better feeling each and every day. Stan what do you have? No, I book Tobias, and I connected on a lot of different issues. But we're not very similar on diet. Then. Yes. Yeah. By was it. I see some lady tonight should be having my baby baby. That could've been alive. Nice guests are you do you wanna talk a fresh prince of Bel-Air with him because your what is your most substantive fresh prince of Bel Air obsession, we stop on it every time. Yeah. Of course, every time that it's on TV like, you you just have to you know, that's one my favorite. So you gotta stop everytime. Then I don't know if you know this but Tobias his former team Stanley Johnson Will Smith is the greatest actor of all time. If you had those conversations with them. I have not. But he I would say all time. But he's he's up there. I'm a Big Joe Washington fan. But you know, for sure Will Smith is definitely up there for me on my list. What's your favorite fresh prison? You know, I'll see one of my favorite ones is like the last up. So where oh, actually no not that I something. So it's a warm where the motion scene will and uncle fail where he's hugging on tough loss father. Yeah, that's my favorite one. 'cause that was like that was real, you know, even background of the scene, and we'll talk about it later on. I I was like that. Really? Did you cry Tobias Tobias Harris cry did you cry while watching that team? No, I didn't cry. I didn't cry. Stan go ahead. Hey tobias. You know, I've been telling Dan before you're one of the best read people in the NBA always had a good book. My wife just showed me something from your social media thing. The other day, you had a stack of books there that you were recommended the people what are you reading right now? Right now, I'm getting a book called the power of habit. And but that that's about is just pretty much have is that we make on a daily basis how triggered to make those habits. And and you know, like you said, I'm a big reader. I read a lot of different books start the season and even in the off season. But part of the reason why I'm a big reader. I've always China learning educate myself, even more on a daily basis of just things that I may not have learned about in school and things that are, you know, training in this world now too. So just being as blunt of cannon get involved different things to help better me as a person so not. So that of the best way to get that is reading books and knowledge is power. And I truly believe in that. And it's been books have been huge for me. So I always bring a book into the Rena a lot of people have been seeing that lady and being inspired by that. So I think that's awesome. That people are now going to go out pick up some books, and I was happy to share that list with with a lot of people social media that that really responded well to that. So it was cool. Blake Griffin saw. Steve bommer when he ran away from his extended hand the other day, right? I don't know. Probably I guess. Shocking. Comments from Tobias Harris put it on the ESPN scroll right now Tobias Harris rips Blake Griffin for snubbing a billionaire owner. Steve Balmer, quote, probably I guess probably. I guess thank you Tobias. We got the only thing we need from you and soften you up with books. Tobias. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate it. Guys, donlevatar good work today that was a fun show. Stugatz. It was also intergalactic -ly stupid VC's live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. We're going to update the polls in a second. No, Stu gods today. He's vacationing he will be back next week, STAN Van Gundy and amino Hassen in with us at lebatardshow, Instagram and Twitter. But before we do that that story at Michigan state as if Michigan state hasn't botched enough things enough ways the idea that their president is resigning. Didn't they ought Michigan state already fired its previous president, right? So they fired the that the flames on that sexual assault. Story involving the the gymnastics physician that has ended up in you know, him now in jail for the rest of his life. Stan when you hear those comments by the new Michigan state president who is now out he's resigned and the the resignation has been accepted your thoughts. Go where well, he's a former governor of the state and the students protested win they hired him and the tone-deaf board of trustees at Michigan state went ahead with it anyway. And then he proved even more tone-deaf than the board. I mean to come out and say the victims are enjoying spotlight. Like, what did he think they set around and said, how are we going to get attention? Well, I know let's try to get ourselves sexually abused first. And then we can go out and talk about it like, this is one of the most idiot things that I've heard and there's a lot of the things being said around the country in these days, but this might be as. Bad as anything here. The quote, you've got people there hanging on. And this has been there are a lot of people who are touched by this survivors who haven't been in the spotlight in some ways, they've been able to deal with this better than the ones who have been in the spotlight who are still enjoying that moment at times, you know, the awards and recognition and it's ending. It's almost done. And the only thing that's ending. An almost done is his reign as president at Michigan state as soon as all the paperwork gets filed because Michigan state has accepted that resignation. He's telling them to deal with it. It's funny. He's saying basically, these people these kids who were exposed to a monster through the institution of the university get over it. All right. We get it. Okay. That's basically what he's saying. Oh god. You'll so long. Why are you still in up on this? That's his attitude decides, exactly right. And look they're never gonna be over it. That's the thing. I mean, what this guy did Larry Nassar in the trauma. He put these women. Through they weren't women at the time. They were young girls. They're never gonna be over it. It'll never be done for them. They're going to deal with this the rest of their lives in his insensitivity to the whole thing disqualifies him from any role in public life. The weird thing anytime one of these things happen. I always sit as two levels of what a moron you are level. One is your more for not being sensitive to these people's plights. What happened right but level to is. You're not even smart enough to know to keep that internal Diallo. They'll say that out loud even behind close personally. I think they like spotlight don't say it in front of a microphone until the Associated Press this, and it just staggers me that someone who could be that could be hey exhibit, the behaviors of someone that dumb could rise to that level of power and influence in life. I you know, what it doesn't shock me man has been in politics is all white. He's a Republican politician lebatardshow on Instagram. Twitter at lebatardshow. If you want to vote on the polls. Is it completely normal eat Eminem for breakfast? Oh, wow. Lots of votes on this one sixty eight percent said no, oh, oh, oh, we heard STAN Van Gundy, we hit them where it hurts. We're judging you STAN Van Gundy for your breakfast Eminem the whole country is that's a defeat. Is there? More hawking at lights now because mart phones record ninety eight percent. Oh, wow. Ninety three percents that. Yes. Has there ever been a better voice in James Earl Jones, eighty four percent of the audience said, no? Sixty percent of crazy is Adam gay sow one one after that interview. Seventy six percent of the audience said yes that a coach interview would have been the highlight of the show absolutely one that interview. So if you weren't listening live at the time check out our podcast because he was tremendous. What is your favorite Ruben your house couple options here bedroo-, bathroom conservatory billiard room? Conservatory forty six percent of the audience that bedroom. Twenty two percent said conservatory and then billiard room bathrooms split sixteen percents. Those are the polls. Thank you, Billy. You know, how I know? That's a fixed guts because he pronounce conservatory correctly. That is correct. That is the only reason you can tell that that is a total imposter back there. So if you're just joining us, by the way, Eshelman thinks that the patriots beating being doubted. I mean, you smoke the chargers now, I did doubt you last week. But he's so and t-shirts better guns. Go ahead and bet against is. He talking about you specifically. Could be because I've been saying that Tom Brady is due to age for about five years now, and I have lost every year. And it's going to end up that we've always said father time is undefeated not anymore. All right. Brady's gonna win rate. Clearly at the end father time's going to be on his heels and an interception with Malcolm Butler, something's going to happen. Where father time is gonna lose at the end. And we're all going to be surprised because Tom Brady's grave is the only one that will never go on tendon because he's never going into it. He's gonna keep getting younger. Not even father time has as many postseason by week's in home. Gotta go on fourth down the length of the field. Stan we'll talk to you next week. That was a lot of fun. Thank you, sir. All right. It's really too bad. We couldn't get to his government shutdown talk. In fact, bring him back here for a second. Bring back for a second. I'm side connections. This connected. Just bring it back real quick. Just real quick here. Just still there. So that I could get his thoughts. Don't just leave. Don't leave just yet. Stan because I do wanna get all of your expansive thoughts as much as you would like to say about the government shutdown, and whatever it is. You were going to say about Republicans there, and whatever thoughts you have on Dick Cheney's movie. You could say everything you want right here. Plenty of time.

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Like, I don't know if people think this might be the last one there or what? But it was a ridiculous showing fair like the six time in seventeen years like the tweet everybody one day. I'll you your your boys went outside pulling for the last time. You didn't even know. Yeah. That's fucked me up everytime. Correct. So the another somebody's gets like sixty two like he saw all the like thirty more years of terrible than you. And and he's still like, I don't know man Brady, go south at any minute. I'm gonna soak this one in. Right. Yeah. No. Definitely respect everyone coming out too. To just bask in the collective glory. It wasn't like even with the Red Sox parade. It wasn't as like the players were acting. Crazy rock was getting there towards the end of it. But everyone else was pretty reserved for the most part. If a sport for the classy of half. To the for years decades. It is something everyone knows. So it doesn't shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did. But pretty much since. Like ten AM on Super Bowl Sunday. I've gotten about seven combined hours of sleep. Sounds about right. And two of those hours are like train hours like just on the train my body. Just being like, all right. That's enough. So maybe real sleep. So last night. I finally went to sleep after like everything ended their basketball on. But I just like Celtics play playing the Cavs. I'm not really too worried about it. And that I wake up and a thing happened at two thirty in the morning. The news came out, which is outrageous Elton brand is not deal on normal people time he doesn't care about the rest of us. Really why I like woke up? Like, I saw it was like twenty three minutes later because I woke up and couldn't sleep check the posit. Wait, wait what? Did I miss from last night? I was like, oh, no this literally just happened. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So what do you think? I love it for the clippers. I like it for the Sixers love it for the clippers. Okay. Talk on it. I just like for the clippers. They opened up. I don't know if it's max cap space by they can get close to. Now, and it didn't sound like Tobias hairs is going to stay or been telling they wanted him to stay at the number that he wanted. So right. They got I'm trying to how many picks they got three picks in while. There's lechner. What was the second rounder? They got Philly going twenty in that Miami twenty twenty one pick. I like the twenty twenty one pick might be good like sham it as a piece. And I mean, Chandler, Mus collar whatever, but. Sounds like they're just gonna not make the playoffs because they gives their picky all this year. Right. He if they missed the playoffs. They keep it. Thought if they made it that they know they miss it. They keep it. Yeah. What are they in a standings that aid soon? Catchy. Yes. If we can if we can't then we won't how about that. Yeah. I mean, it's a pick that like this draft stick saw sudden like when the Celtics on it was like man, this is useless. Now, everything I woke up to say it was like look at Jerry West plan plan multidimensional chess. Now, he's got this massive asset to get Anthony Davis. Like, all right. Let's pick was dog shit twelve minutes ago. What are we talking about which the thirteenth pick? The you know. Oh, you know that was gonna stink stay like by the Miami pick. I've heard from Sixers fans routinely is this this guy godfather offer type pick alone, which by just seems to be stuck in that perpetual, eight seed mode. So I don't know if that's a locked to be like a a very high pick. But even then it's like, this is when this year two of those contracts, right? Your four they might not even be like in their the AC nab, they're below five hundred of. If you trade in another three months to buy his hairs for their pick. That's home and Shimin inch. He's he's something. Like, they definitely that's just another piece achieve peace. They freed up some I wanna see the clippers cap space now because I feel like they're going to have cap space. And if I have to choose between two historically inept franchises in the two biggest markets, I would pick the clippers over the Knicks. Definitely. Definitely I'm not trying to say it's not a good trait a four the clippers just if that paper so valuable than either Elton brands gone off the handle and wasted it on three months. Tobias harris. Or it's just. Like, I don't know. It's just not it's just so far away that it's hard to have a ton of value on it right now. See that's what I like really like it for the clippers. I do like because. Against going back to like the Knicks. The two teams that like cap space cap space. It's like, okay will the clippers have a new owner that is willing has shown he's willing to spend money. The Knicks do not we clippers have like Jerry West on who's like the actual GM. But like they have what appears to be a competent front office. So it's like, okay. Like, we can hold. It is like Danny Ainge. He's I okay, I'll pick for your Dan line because I'll be here. Like, we'll just hold this. And now like they're kept situation is beautiful. Yeah. Could lowered the only after this year they have one year of gallon. I. A team option for Avery, Bradley. Good luck, bud. Mantra Herro for six million dollars, which you could easily move if you needed to an Lou Williams for eight million which you could easily. Shea go just who you could easily move if you wanted to and yet Drome Robinson's the worst contract on their books after this summer. What does he make like three million three point five games? Yeah. So it's like I did like. Like, the Philly pick, it might not be anything. But if they're like, okay gallon, Ariz fine. But we we need to get off his money right now there will tach that yet. Here you go take it like, we we we're not gonna miss this. We'll get off the that one year, and they will basically have. Seventeen million dollars committed that feels like to Mex base to mex- yet. 'cause I feel like even before this already had one max face 'cause they were talking about collide signing their outright. So yeah. Definitely definitely feels like they can add at least two guys the minimum. Yeah. Like, I guess the thing now is they they can't trade for AD, which I would be fine with because. Would you cut out? I would say anything. Yeah. No. I guess it would be. They definitely don't have the money to make it work unless Scallon IRA going back, right? Yeah. That's basically have to those like. Yeah. Everything they got really gallon are for money. Probably Lou will Herro shy shea the Miami bagman. The Miami pig and probably a clipper pick, right which. Yeah. I'm I'm not thrilled on the pelicans. It's not it's not. I mean, it's I'd say it's comparible to Lakers offer the thing I'll say this is like we said it and we've seen it these guys keep going for less than you think. So right. Like it might be enough. Like, they might be like don't you went to Rome Robinson? You've seen shea. You know, he's good Jim syndrome. Robson? He might be great. Right. Yes. The box shea is as good as like, I think both of us Shaha loans, probably as good as any of the individual pieces. The Lakers trying to put in the sale boy. Over cow, coups, you kidding. And that he picked again, seventy Sixers fans have been telling me for years that pick was was better than any nets pick I've ever seen. So that pick was so great. They get flipped twice in twelve months. Lakers picked at Brandon Knight pickers, like how could you know, like everybody have Brandon Knight miles flip rather have Tony Snell? Yeah. There are no golden picks like this Sacramento pick. Now Bahir better way. It's going to be the number eleven pick grapes. Yeah. Or it's gonna turn into two twos. Like because inveigh. Yeah. Can't way with all the picks. The or scheduled ahead. This is there any chance I'll get the number one pick by any of the lottery. Repick they go to the other team y'all have a chance. No the highest. We get to got you. Oh, because if it's one and goes the Philly. Yeah. Got you. That's what I was shot outside goods if which would snaky be infuriating boy that they said science six, man. Well, I think that would make them that clear front runner four AD. Yeah. They're like, hey, we liked by Cyrus and Jimmy Butler. But we're just actually not gonna resign either of them, and we're just gonna trade for Anthony Davis. So see guys late like I'm really trying to think what they could. I think they should bring back sign in trays. I think signing like if you sign you can't be traded for like sixty days or whatever. Right. That feels bad to me like those used to happen. Like, okay. Yeah. I'm content signing his place because they're going to give me money. Like, if the pelicans were like, no, we want like we want to buy his Harris to we'll give him a max like, and we signed him in trade him with the pick with whatever else for Anthony Davis with can't do it for sixty days that complicates things in. For literally everyone in. Yeah. And what's the I don't know? I don't guess I think it was supposed to prevent like the LeBron sign and trades. Right. We're like the K. I've got a couple of draft picks. It was like now Durant goes there for nothing for nothing. So we we prevented nothing. Well, now, the big thing is those opt in years being the like how Chris Paul got to Houston. Like that's become the new sign in trade where it's like. Yeah. I really I really don't want to opt into this get deal. I would rather get longer term. But I'd also rather just play for that team. So I'm going to opt in and then we'll figure it out next summer. Which is basically would Davis. Like, it's it's a year set in stone. Like, it's not an option. But you know, he's out after that he's going to say where he wants to go. So it's right. It might as well be that. So. Yeah. From Phillies standpoint, they just acquired a like traded more that Miami picker Tobias Harris Tobias hours the most traded player of all time. He he keeps. Getting better the pig might just keep getting worse. He just keeps getting better though. Brandin cooks like, I don't know. Why been traded so times like, I don't know. He's kind of good wherever he goes. He is absolutely good wherever he goes. But at least Orlando. Like, he started in Milwaukee. Right. Yeah. Where he was not it was twelve. So then he went to Orlando where he was one of the like Goto guys like probably top three guys that Detroit or is like top one guy. And then he goes to the clippers where he was again, the top one guy. And now he's kinda going backwards where he's going to be the fourth option in Philly most likely. I think they might like for a championship team. That's good now for two by his hairs himself, probably bed. Vice hand it's like he has to learn how to be the fourth option on the fly. Will he I think he's he's done it before. Because again, I he had to work his way up through those rings. He has but he's also like in the middle of the season where he was the the one option. So is he gonna be like thrilled to be the four immediately probably gonna be on a good team? But I'm sure there's gonna be times where it's like, hey, man. I would have loved to have gotten a shop. There will it is for sure. But this is also he's going to be a free agent to summer. He can't pout too much. He could not like it at all. But he knows a guy gotta be the four for three months, then I can be the number one wherever I want if that's death once or he might get there and be like all these teams. Had he might have been on that Detroit team or on those books teams. But on these ever had like a. He's never past the first round. At least know, so it's like, maybe he gets there. Philly wins a couple rounds as I okay, I want this. I think if you to me like Jimmy Butler insurance, it feels to me like, hey, we would probably like we wanna re-sign guy to be third option. We don't want it to be Jimmy Butler. It was also like a new the they had to do something. Now, just because before they pay Simmons. Yep. So I like it'll be interesting to see if they're willing to spend like if they'll just keep all four. Like if they just like it'll be pricey. Sure. Well, like, you don't keep them all for all four or five years. But I do like if they make the final something this year next. If there's like, okay, we'll give it one or two cracks and didn't work one of you gotta go for for cat purposes. Yeah. I don't. I think I think to buy is malleable enough where he can work as the fourth option. But even as the first option this year, we even don't even think he's gonna be because it's like like Simmons I feel like Simmons slides down. But he's gonna be like, okay. Yes. I would just pass the one one person to pass the Baltin like Simmons feels like the. Fourth gas Tobias his your third with Simmons distributing that feels pretty good. It does. But at Tobias Harris as the first option this year has essentially been like just as clippers numbers has essentially been Marcus Morris as the Celtics fourth option. Now, he's been better than that. That's reference disagrees. Well, you're not doing podcast basketball reference. Like para hundred presents. He's got twenty eight twenty nine points to twenty six points. Offensive ratings the exact same deal of rate. If you flip them, though, do you think Marcus Morris will be doing Tobias Harris numbers because I don't I've in a contract year out. You can't count out Marcus Morris, Marcus Morris, the contract air, not easily not as going twenty one on fifty forty three eight shooting for a playoff team. No way. He may not it's his right right now, he's been. Option for what the four seed come where the three seed friend. Nice dry, congress the. Yeah. I mean is he's played situ- five hundred fifty less Mets. On the season. He's only started thirty two games. Tobias was fifty five. But when he's been starting. He's been putting up elite numbers and Tobias Harris. I feel like is going to basically be docile Marcus Morris in Phillies situation because he's going again from being that number one option to not number one option even at best like even on nights when Jimmy stinks it up. He's going to be there too. But I just I don't I don't know why the bad thing though. I'm not saying, it's a bad thing. I'm just saying it's at something he has to learn on the fly like middle of the season. Like, there's no he's done it all he betrayed two hundred times. Like, he's. But it keeps being traded to. It's like all right. Well, you're our guide now figured out like last night. He had like thirty four which I'm shocked even played. If this trade was being worked on like why didn't and baseball. You see guys get pulled them like the the fourth inning all the time. Like, where's he going? Yeah. It was Elton brand. I love Elton brand. The GM doesn't go Thuc. He's like, listen, man. I might not be here. Tomorrow any future assets outta here. I respect it. Like Hanky was only playing the long game. It'll brand only playing the short game. Playing. Neither correct Colangelo is playing I'm going to insult off the players who are here and do nothing about it. Because like who's who's Gordon markets like Tobias hair's getting the number one guy. I don't know what the hell ever demise. Here's has beer heads on his. Whose garden like the top guide their garden, like kyri or Tatum or Gordon Hayward even. They shouldn't be. It's like Chris HOGAN, like if your garden, Gordon Hayward just wasting time. Yes. From going for like against Kawhi now, he gets like OJ. Still others say how many times I thought you were talking about earlier this season. I was like how many times has he played collided. Oh, no. But I'm saying he's it's like othing forward gets your problem. Najma butler. I'm going to I'll take my chances like, Danny green. Would fairly be better. If they had made this trade but hadn't traded for Jimmy Butler. Better now are longtime are both both like if they just had Covington Cyrus around weather, right? I can't say better short time. Just because again, like they're like, they're fine. They're closing fives and be tough. So like right now where the the east is still really like it's not LeBron to the east is open into. Yeah. Somebody went it. So as four teams all of which I could see winning it. Yeah. I would say they wanted to flip Jimmy Butler now for some depth be real shame. Tight Covington and Okogie like they can keep Sartre. Yeah. It that that team with the death. Of course, they're gonna be super aggressive on any like buyout candidates moving forward. But they're closing five stuff. They're starting five tough middle the game. Man. I don't know. That's if they get down fifteen in up against a good team just because they put their bench in do. They have enough probably, but they have to do they want to do that every single night like climate of a whole their bench. Will if you like because you have four you can stagger with terrible bench, his bad three guys at the very least it's gonna we're gonna have to buy Harris and Embiid on the court or Ben Simmons and Jimmy Butler at all times. Like Boba Boba can give you some of those inbetween minutes. Yeah. Boban terrifies me. I hate that. They got on the straight. I know legally. He's married to Tobias Harris they have to be on every team together. Anytime. He's on the court to say. All right. Fuck man. Yeah. That's like even like Mike Scott's plane horribly this year. So you're staggering those two around a couple of guys. And then you add one or two guys. I think they they'll be fine because I just like it 'cause he's like, yeah, we're not deep now already. So what? We still have to keep five on the court. What are we going to play four? Just give me the best best four. I'll go at their. If we need a v. Elton brand resigning himself to to get a man on the team would be the ultimate. I couldn't respect that harder. If I tried. I would have like Philly would've. I know he's just an absolute stinker of a season. But I still would have been like your like the I want Patrick Beverley. Right. Like change of scenery. This is like he he can play for his next contract playoff run. At some point. We're gonna need to guard kyri or Lowry or like somebody, and maybe maybe he can shut him down for maybe he can tear nother point guards meniscus. Him or Avery? Just be like, look, we know we have to go up against one of these guys in Avery is in the same spot hasn't been great since he got to LA but sting you just put him like if he just sees that Celtic green against them, maybe gets really pissed and wants to do something about it. You never know. Only thing is he's for some reason he's making like twice as much as Beverley. That's why just like if they just throw Beverly. And like, hey, you don't want him. Give him there. Would you rather if Philly if you woke up today in Philly at made this exact same trade, but for Mike Conley junior? Would that have been better or worse worse? Okay. Why would they? Do you think has better? I have no idea just someone floated on the time line like if they had done the same deal and gotten a point guard who obviously takes the ball Simmons hands a little bit. But I feel like is good enough where you can also play off ball. How is to buy defensively? Like, I know he's he's much more of an offensive player, but I ate doesn't feel like a liability. Nobody's while. It's Schick the RPM the end I'll be oh. I know his four is a whole point higher. The Marcus Morris. Yeah. He's a better player. Let's see. Oh boy. Negatives. I haven't got to yet the lebrons top five. So there's that for small. Tobias is okay. He's a positive point. Oh eight which is about break, even okay? Like. From this. And it feels like that matches artist. He's average he won't kill like you not allow -bility, but he's not locking up. Right. And it doesn't have to cover the other team's number one. Because that's what you got Jimmy Butler for I feel like are even like to really like Simmons got some Lindsey. He's never had a guy like Embiid behind him protecting the rim. So it's like maybe he made on. Yeah. Maybe he's he's got both. Now as I'm saying, but the Embiid Bogue on loot. All tall Simmons the point guard. A that's that's I think that's brands closing line-up right there. Thirty were put two other guys on the court. They just have those three house goose cooked cooked. It's also which is interesting. But this also feels accurate Kawara Leonard defensively at a negative point one. So basically again, basically average, but. Like he hasn't been himself defensively for God. A lot of his value is being elite defensively, I think that's interesting. That is a lot of his value. But I would also say this is probably the best offensive we've ever seen. No for sure. But even then it's like, he's. He's evident two more points. Reverend one more rebound. But he goes from the best defender to break average right saying, so it's like, no no harm will give me the other one as not guiding those bums on the west anymore. Yes, they go up against this the stout east every night. And it's it's got him down bad guys. Got a got bogdonovich man with his. Offense of numbers are up as defensive like has slipped which I mean sounds about right. But it does feel he was to me like one of the unique gas, whereas I know he's elite defensively also really good offense ably. Right. If you were. If you were LA would you've tried to get faults in this on tonight, even care. I don't even care. It's because like this point if they're just gonna. Really just see what young the young guys have just let me see what everything like give the keys to Shay. Yeah. But it's also like false. We don't need you to come back this year. We just wanna get you. Right. And then next year like it's just like a lottery ticket whatever happens happens and technically another asset as. I want. I don't know if it's an asset in to like if they're looking to sign like co wire to Max's Inc. Time for. Charity. Like for reformation projects. Listen, Jay, call said to keep his head up. He's going to be fine. Also again, like if they sign he's thrust right back into like a playoff team spotlight in LA. Another much but still fake LA. It will depend on Koa goes like if somebody big goes there 'cause I think if they get Kawai I that's when I'd be like, I wonder if they could just like to AMI Davis to wait. Yeah. Just be like like like just white or or get traded your choice. But don't resign. Collude? Yeah. I listen the way NBA has been built for literally eighty years now. Fine, terrible. Yeah. I'm fine. Way to go about things. I just wanted on the board. Like, listen like Chicago mill yakking tamper too. LA kinda took it on the chin. It was like, okay. So how much do I five hundred like that's how much what? Rob. Yeah. We got a couple where eight him. We'll just gave him as rainy day jock. Yeah. No, just a start mutate. Does this make Philly front runners eastern? Our now. Now. Yeah. It makes Milwaukee in Toronto. I can't say front runner yet. But I don't know it does make them just because it like again playoffs. More arrests your best five or six guys are just playing. So they're they're tough is five or six is gonna be like like March madness like you cut your lineup. Kinda no matter who your eighth and ninth minute. Fisher. So. Really lash last year. It seemed like the edge of Celtics. Add over them was when they did bring in the bench, and we would just attack Balan Ellie and Ilyasova so. I don't know who the bio guys are going to be this year. Their starting five is 'cause Covington even last year starting just put up stinker after stinker in that series two. So that will be covered by Tobias Astor's. Jimmy Butler, much more consistent players. But I will be curious to see the bench pieces. They add. I I don't know if it I think the top forest still the top four, but I don't know if this puts them in a different category. I think Milwaukee Toronto deserve to be on their own level in Boston and Philly deserved to be on that next level below them by that's like the Pacers are to their credit like one three straight like they're not going down without fight without Vic, but I do think they'll end up five fifty four. I mean, they blew the fucking doors off the Lakers if they didn't it would have been concerning. Forty two. Like the picture of LeBron just like sitting on the bench by himself was I woke just sitting on the steps like the concourse. Yeah. That was killing me. The Lakers are very ready to not play on the same team anymore. This like again, I don't blame him man. Like this is. This LeBron experience. This is what you you get what you sign up for. It's all I'm ready to be patient and bills is going to be on the young guys. And it's like, yeah. Forty games in. Now, they got to go. That's just how this goes. It's still abroad experience mixed with lavar ball coming out of his his cave and making just wild statements on a Phoenix radio station for some reason with that's the I don't even think they're why just think like the VAR balls breaking this trait. That's what's gonna happen. I'm fine with it. That's what I feel happen. I feel like there was a done deal in the bar was leg. Not so fast player. Wing onto no damn New Orleans. So they're put the the pause on that and. Yeah. I would I if if all fifty states want to build him a statue. I think that would be that would be correct. These are in that. We're just like the the Lakers were pulling out. We're enough ally. Yeah. Team to want your shitty offer. They call. The pelicans demands outrageous pelicans demands appear to be like we would like good players. Matchup. It's hang hang up a cut their vine. Yes out the pelicans for not being for not just succumbing to clutch. And LeBron that was that was hilarious dragon last night here yet. But I they. Like, if I'm dense if I'm the pelicans GM, and I know that like even whatever he does he might still lose his job Fisher. So it's like he's not even like 'cause if you nail this trade, you're not gonna know for five years, honestly. So I I can't in good faith negotiate into like all the best offers on the table. Right. They're not like, it's it's physically impossible right now. So I. No, I don't want your garbage. I'm not gonna want it in June either. But damn sure don't on wanted. Fedex to me. In junior garbage may be the best garbage. But right now, I know the only garbage. So I'm gonna wait to see what other what else falls in my lap. With like, that's my whole thing. Again, like the Knicks and. Christa to Dwyer her to Billy Simmons was like Dennis m- it like they couldn't have got like Marvin Bagley or somebody that Sacramento like if they're just they're just looking for cap space. So they don't care where it comes from. Right porzingas. Clearly doesn't care about being in the big market. So like. I don't know. I feel I would rather have Bagley than there are numerous pieces. I'd rather have been Dennis Smith. He's on the list. But I don't know. I just I feel like the Knicks and the clippers basically did the same thing. And I feel great about the clippers. Glad trust vision. I feel horrible for the Knicks. But that's really all comes down to definitely. Yeah. Another next of not any. Anything? They've never literally nothing. There's no reason anyone should trust the next doing things ever. And that's in there. Just getting the benefit of the doubt. Man. I. I don't know what have not desert any benefit of that literally in the entirety of their franchise history. You think it's a chance to Sixers just flip Butler. Elton brand clearly not afraid do deal. Clearly. I don't know who at this point. I do agree addict Tobias Harris to your team and just trying to fit him in for these final three months. Doesn't seem like the tallest of tasks adding Jimmy Butler to your team. With any amount of time playing like Jimmy Butler is not like what we wanted to get him in the summer. So we'd have a four year with our playbook. I feel like Jimmy Butler day ones. Same as day three sixty four. Like, I could see the only team I could see doing it. And and being able to figure it out real quick would be Houston. I just don't know what they would have to send back the knits the nets alike. We're like probably gonna make the playoffs either way. Yeah. It sound. There was an liver might come back before all-star break, which is the incredible. Yeah. So if it's like, we're probably going to make it either way. Can we see what we can do to? I think they would give him the maximum be like him. But we'll give you the. We don't care we want. We have money to spend. We're finally ready, right? I think they would I the clippers might. The Clintons were just like Yoda gallon Ari for the money and then. Like a couple bench Lou will or herald or something like a couple of those bent Lou will is that bench piece would be tough off Philly. Definitely because I was I've been trying to pitch the essay Thomas thing. So yeah, I health -i good version of that healthy better. Already loves Louisville. So yeah. So I could see like either one of those maybe the Lakers shot had just flipped their junk for cherry by the by. Okay. He's not Anthony Davis put he's met. Anthony davis. The Mavericks the maverick. We want our big three. Now, the Mavericks are settled what they got going on. Are they I think they should be. But we'll right. Yeah. I mean, they're not like if they add Jimmy they even a playoff team. I think like five games out. The okay. What if the Knicks were like, okay, we want Jimmy Butler. That would kill me. And they give up like the number one pick. They have left now. Basically, the number one picking whatever like Kanter for money. You have one of our fourteen point guards. And. Not like, basically like depth like give us the give us Damian Dotson like we would love Damian dot give us tree. We'd love tree or a piece like three or Philly and that pick just like we get Jimmy Butler like in hand. And Jerry Butler walks on there like we cap space. Knicks win win. Yeah. All that would be very funny. I do think Philly wants to go with this for though. I don't know if they're all going to be there about next season. But I would be very if I'm Philly fan right now. I would be like all right. We'll make this run. See what happens and then see you later Jimmy Butler, but I wanna keep Tobias Harris long-term. Are honest. Like, I think I would try to. Of course, try to sign them both and just figured out like if they are because you're. I don't know like their owners cheap like the new ones would pay money. Yeah. So. I'm looking right now. So they basically swapped out Chan Lynn. That's thirteen million off the books and Rettig is making twelve. So that's like that's together. Feels like Tobias harasses money like starting honestly like full is expensive, man. I think that's why he can't really. Like a end of the bench project. He's making like eight million ten million next year twelve year after that. Okay. So it's like if they can. If they can get off him in the willing to pay the luxury tax. I think they could do it until Simmons deal kicks in. Which twenty one I could definitely do it. It's just keeping Jimmy Butler arounds at any any dollars a huge risk in my eyes. I agree. But if they sign him somebody would always trade for. Definitely even if it's like, okay? Like, we have to get fifty cents on the dollar. But would just take like give us to bench pieces in a pick. Right. And somebody is like like any Atlanta or whatever. Like, oh, yeah. We got Jimmy Butler. That's exactly what Philly justed to rotational players on the pick. Yes. I was like give us a. I don't know. I wouldn't John Collins. Story in France. It's not a good year. I'm kind of I think the hawks like have some deals to make docs, having a damn good tank. I'm very proud of them. Four teams three teams below four. Give it they have those four who got the brightest future right now. Overall future players already on the team that could be a good future. If they didn't play for the sons. All the above all included. It's like the Knicks sons Cavs booze. I don't trust any of those guys front office slash ownership at all even if they get the number one. Phoenix very easily has the best pieces. But right, but it's like that at at best. They have like the second worst front office. Yeah. Yeah. There's a Suns fan. Good pry go like transaction for transaction with Knicks fans like Manno, man. We were just out west. I didn't see us getting hosed. But like trae Young's coming around like they have hurt man's looking good Collins might just be Chris Bosh. That's what I thought they might flip like deadman and Jeremy Lin for like a couple pieces heels like they're gonna be in the bottom five regardless. They've got that Mavs pit coming in like they're like everybody else is just it's scien- bust, and even they might still get in. They get in on Vahid signed. And that's the perfect tank horrify because it's like they're Knicks or at the very bottom, but they just got Dennis Smith who feels like he's been dying to be unleashed. Yeah. It's like last year. Carlaw didn't like me because I was rookie issuing Don. I can't do anything like he might. He might just go off and win a couple of games. He shouldn't. The sun. I mean think but probably the most like just talent was win. A couple of games. They shouldn't booker's thirty five eight no grab twenty rebounds. The Cavs that no idea what's going on? No. The Cavs stint. Got a couple of minutes. Somebody asked me yesterday. If you're the bulls, and they get the number two pick would you trade Laurie in the number two pick for the number one. Yes. I don't think the rest of the NBA world is that low on there yet. Like, they should be. I still see with his year Duke hasn't gone that. Well, and we've seen plenty of guys. Like, we thought would Tatum. I didn't think he looked great at Duke. And then he's been really good as a pro. So not listen chain. But I'm that's what it is. Like, right. Fant would sign if it was like, I'm also more worried about. Barrett's like mentality than anything. That's what scares me. Okay. He's I think he thinks he's the best player on the team because he always has been and now he's not. And I think it's going to they don't win it all I think it'll be that reason why and song to basketball Francis. And he was like apparently like RJ birds dead is like sending him like clips and showing him all this stuff late. Yeah. You've got to tone down your game. And it's just not clicking with Barrett. Like, that's what would worry me. So I'm no, I'm not that's why would. Choice about it. Honestly, I don't hate the trade. Just because I do. Thanks. I on his head and shoulders number one in this place. But. I also see the both getting Zion just wasting him for five years the ends up somewhere out. So I don't I don't know any you're gonna do right by Markkanen and Barrett get out of here. No. I that's why I'm saying, I don't know if it matters at all no matter what they do like, oh Sombor jerseys with was I on for certain more fun to watch. That's why. Zaylon Xilin LeVine with like unplugged headphones. If as ion Levin, Chris Don running the break just think they would be doing like NBA street like volume to type like game-breaker Elliott's. Trey Levin for whatever can give. Like, I would just want window Carter junior and Zion front court. That'd be my dream. And the reason the trade market like you. But they might get the number one and have all three, but it's like all three of those guys can't play at the same time. You're going to be forced to like one of gonna lose value. I like Martin is having a good year. And like he's going to be good. Like, this is not a is more about how much I like Zion. Then about marketing. Spend good as an NBA player. Yes. At a very good rookie year injured this year. But it's come back and like improved on last year. So he's he's a fine. He's a piece in if somebody was getting like Lori and Barrett or reddish or Bob like, whoever I think you'd still feel good. But it's like. Luca verse trae thing, right? Would you rather have the superstar or like the pretty good couple pieces? And I take the superstar. For sure I wonder if in like twenty years it's gonna come out like the NBA forced the hawks to make that trip. Probably. No, no, we. I don't know. Like Dow's way, you know, how good their front offices. You know, more will Mark Cuban treats everybody of both genders. Did you see this picture of dodgers from yesterday? Picture you from yesterday. Yeah. That's what I do. That's I don't understand what's happening. This has been all along in my on the Mavericks. Yeah. Show. You'll be like there's there's a doc, man. Spiderman white Spiderman. So spider. Park. Boy pictures of dodge. So. Yeah, that was that may be all I'm after jersey now just trying walk around be like, that's me. Listen all-star break, man. Just like the headband Shays. Doc man of the McMahon wasn't people. Don't wanna talk about it. But I did. Absolutely invent the tennis side been movement that's going on. I just did it three years ago where I'm not gonna get my credits. Fine. It's fine. You do it. Now, man you like a big Drako, man. We also did get credit for inventing, the the legends just automatically in the hall of fame thing that silver clearly took from us. And that's fine. Man. We Rutgers Vanderbilt. Northwestern. He is the right thing to do just let get the deserving Geisen. Maybe even just take those guys off the like announcing at the beginning of the season. Like, Tim Duncan will be an all-star no matter what where putting him on the ballot vote for everyone out. Right. Exactly. Is vents is this Vinci's last year? I don't. Does anyone know? Yeah. He's said I feel like he's like it would be. But he's like teams keep calling me. I'm ready to hang up in the hawks. Like, you want five million bucks? And I was like. Yeah. I wonder retire two years ago kings? Will you want ten million bucks? Yeah. So he should be the next one like whenever. Yeah. Yeah. Again, announcing Nabli Vince Carter you're in not now. Wait now for the the year lightweight and Dirk have their run. Right. And then VC and whoever. I would like to see Vince Carter on the dunk contest. One more time. That'd be great. I know you can still do it. I think he just told the hawks like can I just do this and not play the rest of the year? This is gonna take every. They're just like we're fine with it. Yeah. That I don't see why they would be like. Yeah. Of course, that's going gonna give us way. More national exposure. Just that were still a franchise, and yeah, we we're trying to anyways, we don't. I'd be off with it. All right. So next week when it's out cities and the dunk contest. You're everyone right silver's. Like, I I don't know where I get it from. I was just eating pebbles one day and. This happened upon. I'm glad I didn't oppose the episode yesterday. Because this happened had a feeling had a hunch. No. When you know, you know, it is what it is. So you you have fun on radio. I'm going to upload this now with everything else that we recorded yesterday or the day before I dunno. I dunno. It's time isn't real now. Share isn't. Oh, yeah. Dana on this episode. So if you wanna stop listening now, we get this is this is your time. I'll see you guys later this week. Just send that over before you hop on radio. And I will we can either record tonight or tomorrow. It doesn't matter to me either. I'm around either one so. Well, may well, let's wait until tomorrow cases. Unless like a trade breaks tonight with tomorrow street did land, right? That sounds right. I thought it was seven. Yeah. Is Andrew in the they're announcing the like they're doing the pics like the all-star game like draft tomorrow here, you just. Oh, you we'll do it. After that. Do I? Cool. Game one. Anything plane remains a foul when the best kept secret. You went flat. The game face the McMahon just as loud as ientist Haley. Oh, there we go. Maybe better worse words words, more as good. What's going on? Not ally. What's the word with you? Another Monday after the Super Bowl. Yeah. That's a typical regular February February that happy black history month. Thank you. Sorry. I didn't texture on the first. Late Dilip radiate. Yeah. Now, I mean, it's about the gesture than anything that wouldn't say that. You have before I've got it in writing many. That's why wouldn't say. Many separate blood oaths have been taken. But yeah, no easily easily the biggest news of the weekend. And I don't want this buried by. By the media who tends to do this type of thing. Triumphs Avs, British man. Fuck. Man. I don't know. I'm just gonna pretend like this never happen. I don't know. I don't all the details. So I'm just going to pretend it never I've never been more share a website was the onion. Then when that tweet went out. And then it wasn't. It was just like a local news station. Did not like it was the WSB which the Atlanta news. That's why I saw and I was like oh boy. Like, this is if it's it's going to be something. Right. And it was I. I I don't understand how Twenty-one savage has been like performing internationally for several years now, it's just coming up Twining behind. I had like a split second. All. Is my fantasy Russian fans. Which I'll make sense incredible. It would again I'd be lying. Why viz? Twenty one. Below to let of inches like cousin. Yeah. I used to use from guns with the the yolk brothers. Yeah. Like his use of Norwich is dad's like Gleich co officer. I don't know what they're fucking call. Yeah. Oh boy. This fresh Facebook. Yeah. Dude. I do you think we record this? Atlanta would what do you mean? You can't win it. You're not gonna be able to see me. The black thing on the wall. There's Tyler trying to hear the radio San Francisco guys. Thank you. Phones, all silent. Yes. Satellite phones, were male you to ever you got him on Tyler low. Dan. I just saw him for the first time and feels like many moons you've been traveling traveling the world song say I would say the country have you left the country. No, then we'll stick with country the world. Exactly, right. It's the world you you're not wrong their friend hot start, boys. You squinting to try and see Tyler. I'm upset this podcast because all time. I don't know, man. Listen couple eighteen thirty beers last night a little out last night. Where were you? I was my Buddy's house knoll was drinking. But I was stressed drinking. You're carrying the load. We in New York. Nobody would drink party was all I was the only patriots fan the they were like betting on the game. So they weren't really invested. But it sounds like they were technically very invested. But they just weren't drinking eighteen thirty beers. We can call this. Yes. At the end of the night there were like, dude, you were drinking this whole time. Like, yeah. I was awake. Wasn't. I. So. Yeah, that's why squinted that's my excuse. Definitely an excuse about. Should farewell for whatever's happened. So I just saw Dana for the first time. In many moons. And he said, you you two were were all square say that it's exactly you said that he said he handed you thirty thirty beers throughout the week in. That's a fact then did that motion with his hands. I didn't do that. Yeah. Do that one everything? The best part was him handing me a beer. And as soon as he got back with one hand him the bottle cap. Drained and he'd have to dispose of them too. I woke up in the more like eight bottle caps in my pocket. Yeah. Listen, you know, the way to my heart, you, it was a strong move. I was just trying to be friendly. You know, is that what we call last week? No. I was very unfriendly of me. Yeah. Do you know do you understand the ramifications of hashtag, Don within within this company? Yes. It was. Very rattled right now. It's the consequences of your act. Yeah. The says you're gonna do overs in his life shit. Toy savage is British man. Torreon savage was not British before you were hashtag done these butterfly effect you go back in time. You sneeze on a dinosaur. Boom. White people never exist. You never know. What's going to happen? This is the lashing. I need. Needed was the note, whereas fiddling with the phone, you just fiddling. No, he just failing. I didn't know it as a as a high school youth. But if I ever had saw him at a principal's office as what it would look like for share a horrid. Based on their you, much more beer. I was on the road for three weeks. And I started I was very hairy. I'm still very Harry in other areas. All right. I'm sorry. That was that was appropriate. I told you about your dick and balls is that what area dick and balls got. And so I got home yesterday. I was like I'm just taking it all off. And I think I look good all on the face. Most of it. K yet your that ball to no. The balls at the did you go bald trying to like working BIC into this conversation as it? Did you go bald like bald headed man quit? I'm growing up the lettuce as we say in hockey community where my hair. Yeah. The mud family the lettuce the mud flaps in the salad and the flow. It's what I call that. Yeah. Did you start those are you trying to get those the pot? No. That's what the boys say. I would definitely start still is right now. He would be like what we say. These are things. I definitely say. I don't have biz remembers anything. He says biz doesn't know my name. That's what I'm getting to. He certainly does not no money. I think that's why he just keeps saying the boys. He's probably a dick and balls. It keeps talking about him nonstop. We were talking duck players love to talk about Dick's. I think that's what it is. So they've coerced you. Yeah. I'm John JD. No longer basketball guy, would that's that's not sure now. I. I'm. I part the second part. I'm not I'm a basketball. I'm not a hockey that was a joke. Everybody knows them not hockey. I just like to make people laugh. The biz was in here right now, you'd be like, I'm not a hockey gab. It depends. If. Man. No, I wouldn't. It'd be I love buck. Swinging. The puck tape the tape. Let guy won't stop. As soon as more, dick and balls innuendos. No, no more. You said you went on for three months. So get three months worth of note three weeks. I didn't really take notes, but I wrote down a life update. If you want to hear that. This is. Yeah, we actually it hasn't been three months is that what you're talking about. That's literally the words. He just guess. Okay. My bad. It was your bad. I'm nervous. Good. What is the over? What does this mean for us? I feel like this in your life updates. I thought I don't know. I'm gonna I'm not gonna questions questions only, always lead demise. Dana life update. I listen to music I liked it. But instead, I added old music from project x to my playlist the movie project. Yeah. So does the sound. That's two thousand thirteen. Yeah. So I listened like new Twenty-one savage. I loved it. But I didn't add it please British now yet, but you know, don't talk about that. I had a girlfriend for a week. Anymore? This is a funny story. Which week was. Yeah. Well, what's the timeframe? This was probably the beginning of the three months. What's good word for absence absences, a good word? Hi, this is about a word, but continued to November November area post. Thanks. I think it'd be around then. So she's a fine. Young lady. She the EMMY on Twitter one day respectability one to ten say. Eight it's always a ten failed Arinda. Starting at six and then tried to pivot. And then went into eight. Seven point. Like a one byte score six point two. She Demi one day, and she was like whatever you like start talking and she lives in Boston Alvin York so back to Boston. And that tell you got beers with her at like ten AM at south station. Yes. On like, a Tuesday that girl. Okay. So I I saw like two weeks later, I was very drunk in a hotel room. And I was I was shit faced. And she's like, she basically, it was like are you ever gonna ask me to be girlfriends like this the second time, I've met you. But I didn't say that. I was like, yes, sure. You wouldn't add drunk. Yeah. Now yet little filter live. But I didn't say that. I was thinking that. So I was like, yeah. I guess even though I didn't really want to this was definitely gonna last with that kind of balloting and. So I guess he was drunk or she was sober. I think she was drunk. I don't remember. But she basically forced me. And I was like, yeah. Sure. I don't care, and I went back to New York, and I didn't see housing really want to have a girlfriend. Why I do that? And I broke it off. How did you? How did you go about? Really? I gave her call. Ooh. Okay. No text messages. I'm not I'm not a phony. Did you call them like a phone booth or something you feel you Dana move? It was a cell phone. A how many beers? Did you have before the phone call? They go sober for it, actually. Yeah. It was you know, I had to just take a deep breath and figure it out the what was that? I was like, I don't know. Why did that? Listen, I was passed Dana future. Dana things ideas stinks p you is what I give this relationship. There was a ten on the respectability scale of me being nice about it put it that way. Humble. Yes. So a you did this if my timelines correct you saw her for the second she asked to be in this relationship. Like, it was like a it might have been the third or fourth time is our so, but like this conversation happened early December. I don't remember the timeline is all over the hour the hands man, she did have good hands. I will remember that forever. She had great hands sound like she like died or something. Chris carter. She came across the middle hours and easy. I could drag though, she could hands. Yeah. That's why you know. It's a good para hands just gone to waste as I always said the talk now was the was the via nano really blocked on Twitter now. No following jar. Okay. Nice girl the girlfriend after a week. She was a seven we are too. So what does she like? Okay. Or she was like heard or I think she was hurt. But you all that's what I guess. That's what I do. I just I make women fall in love as you hurt people. It could be both. No, I just made a mistake. You gotta smirk. I think you just breaking up. What people do something for you know, I don't like breaking people. I just. It's a funny story like a Larry. I think I think she was hurt. Larry. Scarred. A psyche forever. And the other thing is never trust again. This is the thing. We didn't even what's the word. We didn't even fuck on to make the relate. We didn't. Fuck. I was gonna say more gentlemanly. We didn't have intercom late. Yeah. So that was like the other thing. Like, why am I why am I going on this mess lip was it like a we haven't had the chance to do this? We had the chance I didn't want to do this. Or I would though it was just it was mostly me being an idiot. You know? You know, what mad at then? I'm not mad at anything you sound that period. Squinting see him. You could see how Matty. Good. Nice. Nice lady. I like her. I just don't wanna girlfriend at the time. I still don't. Kevin girlfriend without consummating the relationship air that part. I feels like a wild move to. That's what I'm saying. It was mostly my fault though. I heard hundreds of my phone with also just hurt Riyan was like Dana being a relationship you agree on. I don't wanna be in a relationship right now. I'm just kind of doing me you don't live in New York. Our you make too nice. That's what it is. I could've been like not girls heart. I'm kind of on Christmas Eve. No, she's fine. Okay. Was I thought it was the last time. She actually takes me this weekend shoes in New York. And I was like. I don't think it's a good. I would say. She just want to hang out. I think it was one of the drunk texts like at twelve AM. And I was in my skivvies on my bed. Are you going to consummate it now? Because I feel like you should know. I think though it complicate things. What could be complicated? I can't imagine Dana complicating things in any way, shape or form hits you like, man. Oh, man. I feel like I planned on doing this to him. Now never have the chance. Listen, I don't I'm listening. So we do here. It's in the past. It's my notes. It was funny. It was a fun story for the boys and tower moving on starts. Right guys break, your heart. She's fine. She's a nice girl. Should it was a week? If it was like a three month thing. Yeah. I would feel bad with the the how brief it was, you know, an fascination work. I'm doesn't this Mastro week is nothing week is everything. Dollars thousand correct. I'm moving on. Okay. I'm taking control of this podcast. Definitely not. But keep trying not not a chance. It's like may walk into danger office like we're trading Tatum. Now, he's like fucking you feed off my desk. I had a dream IB. Choline an argument. Okay. Drained was the argument. I don't know. That's all I wrote kind of trying to tell me like DC was in Ohio or some shit while we were driving by. You know, what was the argument about? I don't know. It's just I didn't I got back. Will you woke up with one of those shitting smiles when that's probably the best dream. That's funny. Somebody tried to buy two hundred thirty dollars at JC Penney and one dollar at white castle using my debit card. I don't know how they got it. Probably. I don't know. I'm pretty loose with my financials. One dollar. Why cout even get for like, I've never been inside a white castle testing the waters man, getting them, you know. Yeah. I suppose, but not one wasn't great had to get my new debit card and all that stuff. Yeah. I fell in love almost drunk for this one. I fell in love with two girls whose numbers I was given. And I never texted them because I'm a giant pussy. Marla working on that one that I two separate situations in which other. No, you didn't checks either one of several girls. Our like we met in person, and they're like, mutual friend. Tell the text me here's my number. I haven't done it. Either of them how how long the time frame. We're talking here. At least a month. I've been. It's like tra- traveling. What what's the point of what am I gonna plant the seed is that what he is planting the plant this lead? It's literally exact Fram. I a lot of crabbing is sitting down. When someone's like, hey, you're basically traveling right now, you might as well be on a plane somewhere you're doing what you would be doing on a plane. You get time if you want I get nervous. These are people that say they wanna talk to. No. But then I'm gonna end up being just going out with them after a week. What a horrible. Oh, what you're right like everything. They're struggling from the record. Now, saying I've seen the light. Listen, I might like her. He might like me it wouldn't work out with a family like, well, what do you do that? So I got to work on that. I'll plant the seat. Eventually you run these ideas by biz and your other POWs. No, I don't I can only imagine I didn't go on spitting chiklis, by the way. I was just there filming that's bullshit that I would never have come on. Now. Like, I didn't go on there and start talking about fucking lists. I write down like that is on. I grab the mic. Before you got your hand in it. Mike Ryan Whitney's hand would have been through your Thurnham. It would have been instinct just picture them talking about like everyone Ray Bork data's like Alleyne guys. So I these two girls have fighting over me. But I refused a Texan both. What do I do? They just take all of their hockey sticks. Which I assume they carry it all times like ninja turtles and beat the hell out of. I think my answer all fair. This isn't a call in show. How did you get this? And also, my whooping offer that criticism is unnecessary. Didn't do anything. Like, I was there. It was a business trip. That's what it was. It was a business trip on business name around. You not texting either one of these women while I'm gonna I'm gonna do it on Wednesday one of them. Yeah. He'll on Thursday. Yeah. Tomorrow is a is a recovery. Okay. And Wednesdays the day. Okay. I've been thinking about what to say for while. I haven't I haven't planted the seed, yet Hayes honest. I think if you call them for. Ooh, call I would just show up head. You're gonna shit your pants, regardless. This is straight up with what it what would happen. If you call you're at least going in there like prepared what if you taxed, and then they say you with a FaceTime like like that. They're not gonna FaceTime me. You don't know that I do know that you're putting the ball control. And so what I'm saying take control situation you did with this podcast, which was going. Oh, so well, we don't know each other. Like, you don't just FaceTime someone how you get to know somebody. That's true. It's like hadn't talked at all in a month. Will this call do they know your number no guy? So you can't call. What has I assume? Bill collector of some sort. I'm gonna texter on Wednesday. I'm gonna sell. Would you say I'd still call the Buback? I might be Dana be what is this the seventies making phone calls? Okay. Get out of here. Okay. So I I wanna hear that was when window napkins blew out the way you lead. My aunt. Yeah. We went on one of them. You clearly like more though do. Yeah. She's very hot good-looking looking attractive. That's Wednesday techs. That's because maybe we should warm up on the ugly. One build your confidence up to the attractive one. Yeah. Nobody stepped onto the mound warm. Yeah. Just be like, hey, batting practice catcher. A five. Hey, it's a material gonna work out or someone. I actually won't I'll talk to you for more than a week. Ugly. You know, I took my Texas you stick. That's. I was doing literally anything ugly. The crept hand looking MRs Muffin. Okay. So now, I want to hear more about Thursdays with what the the less hot one. Yeah. No, she's just I dunno. She's a girl like I met at a bar like a mutual friend. Oh, man. They don't Dana right now is acting like a comic who thought his set was gonna kill his gasping for you're doing great. But that's how you're acting. I'm overwhelmed right now. Oh, yeah. Big time. What's your opening lying? It'll be in this tax ones. Oh, I've been thinking about it for weeks. That's why I'm asking a mistake. Something along the lines of like. Actually, we met a bar. We talk for like ten minutes old, whereas you met at bars. Yes. Hey. Are these these like they're pretty hot, right? Yeah. So that tells them absolutely nothing. Hey time that we we hung out that one time and we talked for ten minutes. I was sick. What did you talk about during the interaction with the hot one? We talked about what monster that you hate. I would never use that word swamp monster that's extremely unacceptable. You this girl in very bad like, yeah. What month? We talked about our jobs. We talked about our friends our mutual friends. It was just my only don't blower spotter. Would what does she something to do with lawyer? So did you tell them what you actually did? Or that you worked in business? You mean, finance the many things? Yes, I wasn't wearing a suit. So I said I said my real job. Okay. I didn't make already good. You didn't start by lying to this young lady. That's even better. If you did have to like texture by I met you. I was in the suit. I do finance. My mom did mail me my suit and tie my desk right now. So might toss that on take a stroll down Wall Street. Facetime heard off I just got out of a finance thing. The NASDAQ Hollywood hogwash. Yeah. I would I would probably lead off with like, hey, this is Dana star. It's been a month traveling at my right? That's what I'm going to say about travel. And then I would I would try and hearken back to something. You you spoke about that night. Exactly. What I was gonna do. Definitely not. I'm really just asked you what you're gonna do. We're gonna say, hey, remember that time we hung out. It was sick. I'm a very good. Texter? That's a fact like I also good, Texas. I can have a conversation. I I know how to keep it flowing leader. Only ever had you in here to have conversations. I'm not agreeing with this. I'm better at Texan. Because I can I can like think about what I'm saying instead of being put on the spot and getting ganged up on and just ruined everytime. That's okay. So I take you like twenty minutes to respond to. I can use my brain without being put on the spot tax. All right. You know? I'm a good. Texter? I'll say what you you told me to say a good that's along the lines of what I was thinking at alert or boyfriend because we've taken them right half. That would be devastating tournament. I mean, it's able why you just can't say totally married you call ugly. You'll okay pretty time down let me call ugly. And she's like a now, I just head very very pretty surgery. Very pretty and you're like. I got the surgery on Wednesday. If you're attacking me twos. Was outpatient. I'll say big, wow, he's a stall. Order to collared jersey, which they Broncos. Okay. What do you order a Kyle Orton? Ebay gadget. What we need to set up. Eventually is. And I'm I'm sure EBay wouldn't allow this. But if we could get set up face to phases with you buying these jerseys because I'm assuming there's gonna be another Dane on the other side of the computer someone else. There's no such thing as Dana someone else who thought is like a great idea to purchase at a point in time. And in this lifetime tried getting Charlie Whitehurst, but it didn't exist and Jim Sorgi. Neither of them were uneven fach. I saw Charlie whiners the Cardi B party, not the bride. What a what a sense. Yeah. No. It was like a, wow, that's Charlie. Wider was his hair flowing, buddy. Andy a- salad like the lettuce was growing the. The the man the strong man bun running into the full beard. Listen, he's a handsome double is his clipboard Jesus. I saw the Harvard men's basketball team on my flight Tommy anchor. And I didn't hit him with a spin move or crossover? I just sat down and was respectable in tweeted about them. Instead. Regret or now. Yes, pretty heavy. Regret onto a tall tall men near very tall. He'll yeah. Posted one of their bitch ass. Fuck. Try to say that so cool then come out goal at all. Now. I mean, you got halfway there in the news, the Bandon it. Say I would have posted one of their bitch asses up. I mean, you've lost all the lusty. I don't even know how you went back to the well, we knew where you were at basketball. Learn how to broil a steak about that pretty good who taught you my mother hasn't say myself, but that would have been a lie. Yeah. Donna come on trying to steady trying to raise women's contributions to your life. Hate to say it. I went to Vegas and saw a cool ass AGIP shit in Titanic museum and took a sick picture on the edge of that Titanic throwing up the one which arms out not throw the one. Went to Joan got drunk with old ladies. Okay. The we didn't know really fun. Do you get any number knobbly singing dancing Queen? We're seeing some of the old time stuff on new. Yup. Guy. Did you ever let your hair down like this in front of they were closer to your age ring, no Chrysler loop? We gotta figure out what the divide is man. Why already let your hair and we'll we'll get to not today. Now. That's maybe actually, you know, you'll Heidi get a future. Invite some extent, I don't know. I'm just saying let's finish. That's not what I was saying. I don't know. On this. We're gonna therapist tither saying about a suit and hung out with the mix tape guys. Haven't worn the suit since other than the helicopter went on not a big deal. They spitting tickling all it was with with Dave actually, not a big deal is been. I can say what would you helicopter to do like ten minutes just to airport? Not a flex like. Yeah. We drove somewhere to drive somewhere. It wasn't. I can say not a big deal without being chiklis guy. Like, everybody says not a big deal. They sell schertzman. Yeah. But you know, what you put on a shirt, it's yours. That's the rules. I have a tentative plan to clean my bathroom on the fifteenth and also by shades for my windows on fifteenth of February day, yes, we're going to be in Charlotte. Okay. In the sound. Mmediately from Charlotte. I mean, we paid on the fifth fifteenth. So yeah, I assume that's why you were planning on. It's just the onus goes in. Okay. So I'm gonna buy some tell everyone. So we can get robbed that day job data. Okay. They give it to us in Canada. Hear that IRS like, no. It's definitely under the tape. Yeah. There's not much much else in the life of Dana ate a lot of Indian food. Yeah. Had a girlfriend for a week. I wrote down my run. Oh. Actually, not that good. Let's hear it already. I wrote down my reactions to the playlist that Tyler gave me awhile ago. I just don't know where the reaction are. So take a little bit. If you want miss keeps growing, and do you want me to stop scrawling Najib that? The the ugly verse hot girl thing is so funny to me can't believe denoted them. I never said she was ugly. I said she's one of them really hot at say anything the other one the other one could be hot the other fired. That it was inferred. It was. One of them very clearly was getting like, you said you were going to tax one of them that ones that set it all Wednesday wash about some blinds Wednesday to know. All right. I won't fair enough. Counterpoint checkmate. I'm flummoxed stymied. Even move my bed around in my room. So now that like, my two windows are just facing my bed my bed like I'm here. The windows are facing me fell silk. No blinds, pretty sure the whole west village can just see me jerk at all. Is kind of why you said it up that would be honest. No, I did it. And then I realized like that's what I need to get. I need to get some shades. Fiver respectable young lady, the whole state of New York. Could see me having a good time. You know what I'm saying? I don't think we have to worry about that. But. You don't have confidence in me. Not miss lightest, mother fucking half, two two girls who are interested in you and had a girlfriend in this not like while one I want to. But I I know I don't I don't often. Okay. See the Washington. Yeah. You shouldn't adult I won't hit. You're not selling us any anything to go off of right now where at a car these girls came to a car dealership. They're like we need to buy a car today. I have to get inside a car right now. You you're professionals to sell cars you alike. I have can you like hold that thought I'm gonna take three month lunch break. You're not wrong. I like an Azure walking past the first client to go to lunch. Another client approach to another horrific looking, right. Yes. I need a call with the most tinted windows hide how ugly I am. I need it now. And you're like, no. You grabbed a wrench inside chasing her around get back. She demon broke to with the the bad end of a brutal. Then you. You bet get. Being mean? Which is going off of the information. We've been fed information. I fed was at one wounds very attractive in one of his attractive. What's respectability scale both of them? Now. Ten both. Bye. A nine and a one that's what I heard I have five respectful one in five or the other. Listen, I'm listener. Everything's gonna work out the end of the day for myself. Yeah. You guess definitely us. I just need to figure it out as they say what happened in Atlanta. What do you mean by 'cause you're outbursts? I don't know. I blocked out during it. It was it was an appropriate set of vents. I mean, I talked to Tommy smokes today, and he was still Shukan up from this. Listen. I'm not gonna say a mistake. Bowl. I'm not gonna say accountability in any way. Having you can't I shouldn't have said hashtag done. There's no going back from hashtag, none. They wanted to the lights were on. And you liked it. I didn't. I don't like the will stick cameras in my face. I don't like being. But you like doing it to other people? I don't like when people put it in my face. And I got I don't know. I got scared day was right there. I love. Dave. I am load. I'm very loyal to Dave. He's the reason I have a job. He's the reason I'm a fan of his company, and I got scared, but you also didn't think of the ramifications. Like, hey, this slippery snake over here keeps keeps biting the hand that feeds them that doesn't scream team Portnoy to me. And it sounds like Tyler was beating was very same Trump. I you could have said all those things about Dave. And all those could have been true. And we're still the hashtag done come into it. Because you guys were being mean, I wasn't even there. Those guys haven't talked to me in three months. We talked to you. What do you mean? With me. You don't have many times sitting at my desk and coil walks by a hey, can I come on the podcast, we don't record here anymore. That's where we right now. Have you right because the room's open, and what did I do that was because I forced her hand. No you sang gun. So I'm winning right now. That's. This is this is. Did you see what Donald consume said after the game? Now, the he said they completely eliminated Julian element from the game. Like it once the clock struck zero. Minutes sixty one through seventy five that guy put up no numbers. My brain is starting to go right now. I'm winning right now. Yeah, I'm winning. Did. You just say the comparison. I just made on your brain. Those are dumb comparison. You're dumb. That was gets so far out of his skis. You could see it coming. Boy. Okay. That tell tell the dumb ugly guy what you were gonna say. My plan is working. I said I was gonna say shotgun to get back on the podcast. And now, I'm here. Boom. I'm winning. Yeah. Yes. In our offering last on the pike asthma. I didn't eve. Before we left for Christmas. What did I say? I don't know. Of course, you're fucking idiot. I said I want you on the year end episode because that'd be a really good one. Then what happened? And you said we're talking about Simpson's. Do you know the Simpson though completely different episode? And then I was like, yeah. We'll let me come on. You're like all right. The only thing we had time for in this studio because the two studios have been completely taken over since radio. Started was the Simpsons one because people aren't here that week. That's one of twelve times of asked to be on. Listen, what is your other favorite podcasts? Say PF t always says never I invite yourself. Not ask said, hey, you guys recording today. Just we'll nudge or those always like, yeah. You wanna come on? And I just never get on feels like it sounds like I was saying, yes, all the time. According to you, I don't know, passive aggression, didn't work. Who knew I can't get a girlfriend all these girls. Keep texting me I won't respond. I don't know. What's happening? I don't know they still winning. No. In fact, I'm losing. That Decca cards crumbled quickly. I gotta stop stop trying to form words when arguments you see when he was announcing that his brain was working the face that overcame them. Blue screen like Microsoft, resets. Like, I just had a recalibrate. Okay. Can I just make statement now? Boy, it's not written down or anything. This is Pat impassioned from my heart. Okay. I love the in were. In February Jesus Dana have you even wished Tyler happy black history month the birthday shit. I really have my I got a birthday coming through. Happy black history month our race. I love the mix tape guys Sam, you guys are my are my pals, I consider friends, I consider you. My you have grown me as a human. You've grown me as a as a person who is able to speak on a podcast. I don't want credit for that. Real bad before. You are my you are my favorite people at this company. Thank you. Sometimes you have to make decisions and you have to put your fist down you see that shit fucking fist of the table. And when you don't get on the podcast. When these people that have grown, you and made you into the human that you've become deny you time after time you have to make statement, and you have to say, listen. I'm here to stay mother fucker you said the opposite of that. What do you mean here to leave? He said I'm done many times. So yeah, what are you getting the tattoo? Now, I don't know if I wanna get it. 'cause I don't know what your guys intentions are with me. Feels. Thanks, sure. Someone's intentions sound like every girl you've spoken. I'm here to help you guys with your videos. I'm here to if you want me on the podcast. I'll talk whenever you want. I'm here. What we were going off before. And all of a sudden, we're at this place. I'm here to do that. But you have to understand I can still be understand. I can be loyal to ury doesn't have to do anything. I can be loyal to both you guys. Dave. I believe that's true. I think that's I think that's it. So that's where it was like, okay. So hashtag done would prove to fly in the face of it. The hashtag done was a little much drop. A hashtag listen, you drop a hashtag on on on Dave in one of these little I would never rains rebooting moments that you get. I would never knows who sometimes you just fly off the handle you guys just mess with my brain. And start saying stuff. I never does that to people. You guys put me in bad positions. Sometimes, and I don't know what to say. Like right now, I'm just take accountability. Still can't take accountability in the same way. You distant from the the bright lights of the Super Bowl Pala jazz. And the in the podcast closet out. Great a genuine while on the same form you wrong me on this really at you feel. I am genuinely apologetic recreate the Super Bowl this week. Well, wrong Graham and back into Atlanta. Yeah, we're going back to the abbey for another low awake. Back just not a game at the ends. Like, I'm working on it. I just sometimes struggle with trying to be liked by everyone. I'll put it that way about that. Okay. And I love you guys. I'm looking at goalie right in the face Tyler camera. I can say I love you guys. I'm sorry. Okay. I apologize. That was heartfelt. You know, it was heartfelt less than five minutes ago. You said I was dumb and let you were winning. Why? Not like seven minutes. I don't wanna I don't like drama. I don't like look at there's a kid out there. Who's responding? All my tweets calling me ugly. Who whoever that is stop that? That's not as we didn't sick that person. I you sick. Into this of other people. I don't know why people get is it that girl. She's she's been getting it could be burner count for all. I know. That'd be very funny. It would be listen, you give me an idea. Every tweet I have it's this going back to like, I don't know month ago when I said, I'm making waffles and swings like shut the fuck up. Every to have is like. No, I didn't I kept on tweeden rebel. They for every to have there's at least two to three people being like, here's snake data Durant. A hate you. You're ugly. Name is max from Dunkin keep saying your ugly. Okay. Max love the consistency. Following ugly. I'm a snake? That's accurate. Oh, I tweeted about the game yesterday. Some just goes shut out. I don't think that was. Although he said shut up snake an adult. That's separate. Oh, you got another shut up. I don't think there was a. Are just responded saying both of them. Can I I love it? I love it. How do you think you get Milton tough? Not by how you're doing it. Take some bumps and bruises along the road of always said that for millennia may now, right? How how what how's your handle written me? Yes. Dana underscored being on tend to be underscored number three shout out to my Twitter lake number spelled correctly. Yes. He said it was awful as you're making. Yeah. You don't have to look for a tweet. He just said shut the fuck up. But I want to search your at and shut the fuck up in millions of people could have said that like I want this. I want the waffles win in particular. I can tell you what the tweet was. I said I have had a multitude of waffles today, which is a stupid tweet. I don't know why that. And some dude with like one follower. Not saying the reply which is killing me living here for. This is literally September. Yeah. Four. I'm not seeing the reply somebody threw them at me in September. Also. So I don't know if that helps this okay? So people are out there. If you searching you find that tweet don't at thank. Do not you might dilute it he might hurt himself and be like, you know, what that was kinda mean. Now, I'm here for I'm here for the bus. If anybody else that you'd be cracking up. You don't what Tyler I deserve. It. I deserve to be called snake. I deserve to be called Durant. I deserve to be told to shut the fuck up a deserve to be like, hey, you're an idiot. You're traitor. You're stupid, I deserve at all. How about that? The fuck up. That's larry. I'm taking a count ability for my actions right now. If you want to eat at me anytime, I tweet I challenge you guys thinking talk. Talk. Oh boy. The streets spent my face, please. One thousand dollars cash. At all times and the sweatpants very easy to get in. And out of the other thing is my like, my family like they don't know anything about barstool or like anything I do on this podcast. And they'll see these replied Dana. What did you do? I replied like my dad has a Twitter. L C my replies. Would you do? We've raised you. Better sister re tweeted all of the year, ugly ones yesterday like tenement rowers. The older. It's getting internet bullied all over the place. That's fine. Listen, I can't be sunshine and rainbows as they say will take takes a little rain to get those rainbows. Right. That's true. That's true. What's that fifty cents song when it rains, it pours that applies somehow? Fat meteorologist. Oh, hear a sick word. I learned from being chiklis Gus share about Meterology CRA popular race there. The rays the sun shine through that was like in heaven CRA, plus killer spell it. C R E P E S C U L A R. I'm nasty at spelling, by the way. Yeah. We gotta smelling just like us three murder. You guys defenestrate the F E N E S T R A T job. Yeah. Look Jones uses and I wanna want 'cause I taught him that word defenestration where did you finish in this who on the spelling the opposite Mellanby? KFC K mart. Now wasn't kmox. Kemoko hosted it. I have to do after finish up a video. But you guys questions are concerns for me. Now what the fuck up your wild house. Talk to your ugly, girl. How did how did I do today? It was a fucking rollercoaster reports where you were very politics or other point to recall me, dumb and. So you were taking control of the podcast, and we bust balls around here. Yeah. Yeah. Talking about Dick's again. It might. So what's the future? Look like for the boys fucking mystic of some sort. Mind vited to the next trip. We go on. Yes, we already talked about this at length. Headphone out of off the mic. Love you. Like you say back, Tulsa, thank you. Let's go. Good luck you too, good luck with your tax. Yeah. We'll we'll read it. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna do it here. I'll send I'll show to you before Sunday. Okay. If you put a time stamp on Wednesday. You have to send it it'll be after work. I'll do it. Okay. Okay. I can't wait. Sorry. They didn't say anything. I don't know if he knows what you're sorry for black history month. He said black history month is what he sorry for. Then they deserve the. And now he just keep saying the N word while. Will then he'll do that Massachusetts. Boy. Don't forget listen. How could I? So how was it seeing all your former teammates this week? Made amazing. Always people tweet about would have been meaner tweeting. Now, I'm kind of nominal corner. I'm like, wow. Maybe mid Smith was good. It's I I don't know which way is up anymore. Man meeting people. It sounds like correct. I want to went outside of my house every single day for we'd be as I don't know if I've ever done in my life. Would not recommend will not repeat. You made another smash single with Sonny digital. That's all we can say about it per order. Big get. Yes. It's it's why I've heard I've heard it's fire very strong. Try the your Europe so close with Calvin Ridley there to be in a heartbeat away from Julio Jones. Yeah. No, I absolutely pulled the fire alarm went out the back door. To make sure he I wanna know parts of it. South on a games podcasts against see me. But he blacks, both my eyes. I got to roll up to the I it's not a good look at me. No, no. I would agree with that beats me or even worse. He's just really nice Ladyman understand what you're saying is like I try really hard touchdown. It bothers me too. I'm like, no. Much me in the stomach by much rather? You just punch me in the stomach. It bothers my kids my wife to I'm like, no, no. When I lost my airing at Lake Lanier. I was I was trying to drown myself due to the due to the touchdown thing. Those my one family heirloom Mike stops. I've saying things. The Super Bowl itself. What what did you? Did you watch the entire? You didn't like that defensive throwback smash mouth football was honestly, I enjoyed the like the first after me felt like. The defensive battle. And like I thought that was what I was like I thought the patriots looked unprepared. I don't being its own notes. Unprepared. It's just like the Rams were really prepared. So it's like, okay. Let's take a timeout. Let me okay. Let me take another timeout. Let me make sure I'm seeing when I'm what I think I'm seeing the second half like especially the Rams they had like at least two touchdowns like they missed out on. And even though I felt like I had like a lot of drives going. How do they still have no points didn't make any sense though? Like the second half stunk. I enjoyed the first half everything stunk. What I appreciate it about the game was felt like the fourth quarter. Got there very quickly. So it wasn't like stinky kept stopping. Yeah. Agri? Like there was relatively quick Trebol. There wasn't a single replay. Right. I don't think. So I'm trying to even really remember any they feel like oh well officiated game. Like, my missing anything. No. I saw people purpose. But I felt like it was just like fairly just seem like it wouldn't really a talking point to me. People were bitch bitching early. When Burke had gotten murdered by Roby Coleman like he caught the ball. And just let media got a helmet Dalmat people like classic patriot. I was like what the are very easy. Call to make this kind kinda Roby Coleman just going in on the Robie Coleman. Fuck it. He's it got me got me. Like sometimes at work sometimes won't keep running this play till the wheels fall off. Yeah. I don't hate it. But listen like as very blatant penalty, the other one I thought they were gonna call was when Gough was scrambling late and our corner, I think it was Jonathan Jones just like buried him like as. As he was about to step out of bounds. I was like week seven I feel like they call that every time Super Bowl. I guess that one gets let go but I fully expected flag. Now for sure I like, that's. The goff's pocket. I don't even say it's his awareness is just like so weird. Like, I thought he sees he's like a second late. And I think as part of being young like he won't always beat his way. He's like as he was going out of bounds. Like, I could see the GAC home in. And I was like, oh, no leggings, but you have to get out of bounds. He's going drill. You even if he takes the flag if he just lays a good one on your starting quarterback. Like, it's worth it. And like that was like you can't take that sack. This equa. He'll most got drilled and just ended up on both his knees. What can you do stuff? You can't take those. That's a second later. I would realize it Kyle van noy to Goths credit Calvin didn't appear all that close to them. And then before he knew what he was on top of them. Nope. Sure. That's why like how did they drop that guy is on the screen, but even is. Oh, many things. Yeah. That took them either. Add of like Greg legs in the dome range like sixty five those like just keep giving yourself a chance those the sex. You can't take. Yeah. I thought that Hightower sack to also knocked them out of field goal range because I know as airlines like planner foot was fucked up. Yeah. But he drilled that one not so much at the end. I think he was just like, you know, what else wants to score points. I'm done too. Yeah. I would not no. We feel go missed in that stadium all year, which is layers from Greg maybe Lacey, the best kicker right now, you're Tucker. We'll know Goss kiosque missing the first lawyer. Yeah. Iran, but just what he doesn't Super Bowls. He just ends up missing a extra point or field. Yeah. Atlanta upon is were incredible. Yeah. There are a lot of random like, oh, I think like Johnny Hecker the MVP the Rams when I was while it was still three three. I was pushing for Matthew Slater. Just because he had a number of. But he was he was was one when he was just showing he got down there. And he's like watch this. Down to three with his takings. Yeah. I like I don't mean had over one hundred yards. Like, I think before the game started. He was handed a hundred yards. And I was like, well, we've only got three point. So if we win six three here, I'm not gonna wanna hear like the wide receiver argument. I'm gonna wanna be like no field position clearly won this game. They absolutely never would have given it to him. But that would have been electric. Great do ability. I'm giving him the max craft. I don't care. Money. We we saved from the Jimmy G trade all the Slater, graph it. Okay. All right. Listen, he wants the game defy me. I don't know if you saw any of my blogs, I've only got one hour asleep because I was just up to listen, I saw you work in Danny? I was I I had a I had a six twenty five train from Boston back to New York today to be back for the yak and everything and I it was like two thirty. And I was like three hours of sleep is gonna do me nothing. So I'm going to up to piss me off. Right. So I'm just like an stink at waking up. Like, I'm better. If I just stay up leg, I'm I'm a dead person right now. But it's better than if I had just like slice left for like an hour on the train. Just like the worst sleep ever. Does didn't even? It takes more energy like going and getting back to sleep the new just say by just close my eyes and listen to music, right? Right. And I feel like the sleep didn't even really count because it was like I had on like podcast and stuff, and I was just like not fully asleep at all. So I don't know. I don't know. What is happening the pain, man? Yeah. You have to but a Sony, Michelle. Had statistically the second. Best running back playoff stretch of all time only behind Terrell Davis is ninety seven run where he was Louis redeemer. Who's three was also Terrell Davis. No, no. I was. Because I was joy, Jamal Anderson. No there was let me save. I find it. It was like there were a lot of guys who so it was like I was basing it off of yards for carries and touchdowns. Davis was tops in both the average like five point one and he had eight touchdowns over four games. There were a bunch of guys who had six touchdowns, but none of them had which is what Sony finished with. But none of them had like like he was at four point seven one yards per carry. And no one else was even over four five. And then there was one guy who had like eleven carries for nineteen yards. Six touchdowns. I was like all right. I don't know. I'm going gonna count your own. What is it was one of those Redskins guys? And so. And Sony was the only rookie to ever have five touchdowns. Let alone six so I I call it the best rookie running back playoff stretch of all time. And just the second best overall running back stretch of all time. And there are a lot of people once civically who real low on that pick. When it happened. Couldn't be me. Now, listen, I would've tooken sunny Michelle first saquon Barkley second. Oh, I don't even mean like the never draft a running back first round people just Pacific, Lee, Sony, Michelle, and I think he made his debut. If I remember correctly against the lions a game in which no-one played well. Because we have blown off the fucking field at Mattie iceman upset Astaire and that was being held like really just against him. And not like the Hightower got killed that game too. It's like Hightower just came off like a terrible injury. Man. We can't give him any time to get back. Like, we know. So. Shoutout Sony, just a monster all play offs absolute Mazda. Very happy is going to be here for a while. Rodham Rodham through all rookie contract. I okay. Okay. What happens to him after that? My other take that. I I still feel as correct? Dot Hightower is the single best. Super Bowl defensive player of all time. On about that one. I'm sure there are other people who've had intimacy three three. Okay. And I'm sure other people who've had single games that were way better than any of his individual games. But the fact that he's done it like all three Super Bowls his fingerprints. Are like you can't when any of those three games without him. Lemon is so he'd three and two. Is he in the three he's only three now has he was out last year. Okay. Gotcha. Which I was like he was on one. But he didn't play. Gotcha. Right. Yeah. He only played five games last year before he was out an top deep into. I guess. The two sacks. He had were incredible. Like when he like, we he doesn't rush that often. But when he does it's always like, oh, he could if he just did this exclusively. He'd might be the best in the league at this. He just gets the back. I'm pretty good. So he has the the marshawn Lynch tackle that set up the Butler, and exception where he had a torn pack. He takes on Russell Oku at the line just bench presses a model them and then takes down like. Would you say Mahjan's like the hardest to take down one on one running back of his generation? Second to p character of the phone calls plate. Now. He's gotta beat up their top three like hardest tackle one on one running back vision. Like one yard is an I need a guy. I'm probably one of Lynch apparently not. So maybe we can't give them that. I would want to share cantered. So he did that set up the Butler interception. Obviously P Carl has to be an idiot for the Butler in his after. But if Hightower doesn't make that play that decision never even comes to fruition. They didn't matter. They win the game. The falcons when it was twenty eight twelve Gostkowski just missed a fucking extra point and hit a field goal. Such a ticket. And Matt Ryan like it was third down. So they were going to punt. If it were an incompletion, but putting obviously field flips most likely, and it was we didn't we we were pretty short on time. And Hightower calzone number. He sees other setup. He blitzes outside camera whose plan left end at the moment. But he blitzes like inside him. And just absolutely pants. Devante Freeman and strips acts. Matt Ryan puts us I think the twenty five which was enormously helpful we scored immediately made a twenty eight twenty. Recipes history after that. And then last night. When young out I got a little nervous. I started thinking about Rodney Harrison who also shattered his arm and a Super Bowl was it like first quarter was relatively early to write for first half assure wouldn't it. I believe it was the for Chung Harrison, John. Yeah. It was. Second quarter or was it. No. I think it was like very very beginning of the third quarter. Okay. Because I saw him like walking out like before they walked out. Everything was in for halftime was might be right. I don't know. Yeah. But I all I remember him getting up. What's he said? Fuck the cut and just walked I was like, all right. This defensive jacked up because that's such a like thing that doesn't matter. But also matters a ton. And then he was like he just like God a sling and then just stood on the sideline the rest of the game. It was like calling plays. So young was still there. But I knew the rest of the defense was going to be. All right. Like, we're now we gotta fluctuate up in that I put on Hightower Hightower. So I guess the patriots defensive plan. They played golf kinda how they played manning and three oh four where manning do you? Remember when you used to play against manning on Madden, especially if there was a computer. Yes. Did not like it. Yeah. He would take it all the way down to like one second, and he'd do a fucking million audibles, which I mean, the Rams don't do exactly that. But they do wait till the last second with the headsets to like actually, call the place and say run out of the same personnel. All the time. So we just use hand signals and Hightower was calling most of it. I mean, they were all talking that you have to. But high tie was calling most of it and I- golf was flummoxed the entire game the entire game. Like, I'm kind, of course that worked. I'm just amazed. At is just what you do. Now. Like, I know everybody, of course, it had like the person the on the timing and everything to pull it off. But like if we played breeze. We couldn't have done that. No for sure metal type is like is. That is golf just is eating see a system quarterback is basically what I'm asking. Yeah. I think he's a super young. And it was mean for Bella check to dial up like an old defense used to use for Peyton Manning. But fogging worked. So just take advantage of like, we didn't do that Mahomes. You know what I mean? Like, we were like, no, we're just gonna make sure we're like very much on top of tyreek hill. Travis Kelsey and hope Sammy Watkins doesn't beat us. Nearly did. Home will welcome. Yeah. Show me another one I like this. But we basically played from what I've heard we played zone on everyone except cooks who we just stock Stefan Gilmore on who. Gilmore's like this corner football right now by I don't even think that's like a lie. He's gotta be if he's not him. He's up there. I know he was graded the number one quarterback. That's not the end all be all by any means. But like his first month as a patriot. Remember locked his account because he was playing so poorly. People were being like, you don't deserve all this money. The patriot. I was shocked to but I was like this guy's not fit for this. Like, if you're locking your account on Twitter because people being mania leg. I don't think it's gonna work out. I was wrong very wrong because he's bending credible ever since like October last year. Yeah. I mean, cook still headed a good game. But it was I think the numbers over sale is impact. That's not on cooks. It was off was like, I don't know. What the hell I'm doing any cooks had like, I think two or three receptions on that final drive where the patriots were just like if you're gonna stay in the middle of field fine. We don't care yet. Keep it. Yeah. And even they also should have had that touchdown where he was just like in the end zone sitting down like Jared pleased. Like I'm and I didn't mcquarry rented to one now Jason twenty. Yeah. Yeah. It was like I my only chances to just try to destroy your your your solar plexus eight. I thought I thought they were gonna have to bring like an ambulance out because of how mccourty like ran into the fucking upright. We like is one of those. Who just takes those hits. Like, oh, yeah. No, no. The other ones I'm going to get either. It's insane. How like far mccourty ran in like I'm looking at screen shots. Now that I'm gonna tax you. 'cause I haven't seen it from this angle yet. And it's absurd. Like, it was absurd watching it. Because we got burned against the chargers with with a handoff that didn't get handed off. And so like we've had that problem before mcquarry was like not today. Do it. Yeah. Oh, he's. He's now his job what seventeen eighteen yards away and the ball is in the air. I don't as Addie not as they can be. I don't even think that's handed away. Like, I in the first picture. I don't think that's him. Shit might not be because how that person wouldn't run like they wouldn't be able to ride that anger. I need somebody posted gift. He had the forgot about the the been Watson one. Getting champ. Bailey. That was a great one. But even then. That's a play. That's haunted me because I feel like with modern reviews, they would've actually called that a touchback. But at the time they didn't have so many angles, and because at the mo- at in that moment, I was like he was literally on the centimeter line. There was nowhere else. The ball could have gone. Could have only been touchback here. So when it happened against the jets like the first touchback they called a couple years ago. I was like I've been waiting for this literally since two thousand five I've been waiting for this exact call finally came the old long car would awesome. I think it was Austin's fearing Jenkins like fumbled. While he was scoring a touchdown. Like, no, touchback sucks to be you pal do. Yeah. KFC was so mad. I was like, buddy. Trust me. Ben Watson mean anything to you. He was like, no it doesn't. Truly does not but back to Hightower like three Superbowls dominating and all of them. And then the one you don't plan you give up forty one points and the other ones you. I mean twenty four to the Seahawks is too many. But he made that play. The falcons they had the pick six the score all the rest on offense. Yes. I think so there's no kick returner nailing upper Avila's want like they get helped by. But not a touchdown. Okay. I'll trim. They were short fields. I don't remember them. Mike have long drive. Chanels who plays the fuck up. But. Yeah. Hightower to me. Just like ease. It is some that's only gonna piss patriot fans off. He's the best fifty four to ever played for the patriots. Don't disrespect to Tedy Bruschi Tedy Bruschi was thinking Bruschi. Yeah. It said Hebrews who jersey you will still see all over Gillette any given Sunday. Hightower's Ben that fucking guy why he was like he fell to twenty five where we were allowed to draft him. No idea. No idea. It's like he's a he's a linebacker. Not a edge rusher. I think he could. That's the thing. But he's not. So it's. He shouldn't be. Yuck. Oh, no. No, no. I'm really like I remember that would I was like, I don't know where Keith was saying about roquan Smith is I I don't I don't know where you're going to go because you're not like lie. You're not rushing the edge. But you can do everything else. Like those guys just seem to work out time and time again. Yes. Time and time again. And I I look back at that draft to see like if there were some huge fuck ups, and of course, there are couple. But like, right. Right like, Stefan Gilmore went nine like pretty good picking. And we wait like Hightower wasn't even the first defensive player. We took. We took Charlie Jones at twenty one or twenty three somewhere. I think twenty one. Now, the good pickers yet. Funny one. Yeah. So I mean, I I I would argue for a guy who gets no credit drafting like decent draft. Bella check. Pretty this is pretty good draft though. I around it was locked G three. And then I don't have Matt Kalil the. Now, Keithly Gilmore, Don. Terry poem Fletcher Cox back to back to back to back pretty good. What you cock is also insane. He is really good. That's the take. Now. My take remains if I had to especially like even just hanging of patriot. Like we've never allowed fucking three points a Super Bowl before the eighty five bears gave up ten Tony Eason league. I don't three points preposterously low. And that Rams offense wasn't like a joke. It's not it's not like who's their white receiver. Cup. Yeah. Coober carpets. It's not like he got hurt in the NFC championship game. He got hurt like the middle of the season. Like he's been out like they've been buying without him. And three points. Like, of course, Jason mccourty made that play Gilmore made an assumption after we set an all out blitz that the Rams were just not ready for even though we had like nine guys the line of scrimmage. They're like no chance up not here. They all come with. That's that's on us. We should maybe seeing our government. But high tired to me if I had to pick a defense and like their only goal like it wasn't for a whole season. Their only goal was like, hey, we have to go in the Super Bowl. I don't know if I could pick anyone else in good faith. Nine really like I was looking a new he didn't have a lot of league one Pro Bowl. When all pro. I thought he had more than that. But now again, I agrees really good watching very much. So watching like him dominated bam was like, I don't know. Like again for that. Exact I know that he he's not going get like fifteen six like, I get it. He kind of does everything I don't know. And like he had the the past affliction to start the third quarter. That should have been in interception. Like, I'm not gonna hold it against them that he didn't intercept it it would have been nice. If he had intercepted it. Then Gilmore punch that ball out almost where he did everything in his power to try and recover that inbound that didn't break he was just so all over the field all game. And it's just like he's three times. Now, the one time he wasn't there when we made it to the Super Bowl, we fucking get a forty one hung hung on us. Like, I don't think that happens if he's out there. Derive mayo was good. All right. That's your Tennessee by correct? He is better than mayo. Mayo was very good. None of this. Now. Both things are true. Tennessee piece of shit. I've only heard very nice things about your. I've never. Tremendous player from even better human being definitely. But. Yeah, patriots while I with this is this is the opposite of where I swear not the opposite. But like an seventy eight when like the Red Sox won. And then the patriots were undefeated going into the Super Bowl and it was cagey in rounds. First year in Boston. I was like we fucking got it. We got the season sweep we're going go the whole year just every of the three major show hockey of the three major sports Boston going all of them. And there's going to be an undefeated team in the middle of that somehow the fucking undefeated team fucked up, and he do Celtics held up their end of the dealer at songs one. There's now it's like, yeah. The the Celtics and and the patriots and Red Sox one, but. The warriors were team. There's nothing we can do about that. I would take the the city like season sweep over nineteen. No. No for sure I agree with hundred percent. That's an incredible flex. Yeah. Yeah. Nineteen really only like future about football. You don't care at. All. Right. Nobody cares about the seventy two dolphins. I see easily deaf for the whole because it's like I'm just picturing like the SP's to which no one ever cares about the when they do like best team. And it's just like the Celtics. The patriots the Red Sox Atlanta United. Marrone takes home. I just I I don't know. I don't know how it's going to happen. But I now I want Celtics Lakers like bad just so we can also be a season sweep just against one city. That'd be impre-. LA? It would have to be a like a sports town though that make it even better if it was like manna got Philly about here like four straight again, every sport Lang LA. It's like we don't they don't care about the Rams at all. But there are a lot of dodgers Lakers fans know for sure. I'm I want people care about the clippers. I don't know. What's gonna happen? It's not gonna happen. Shaken grow on his own. But like the. We I don't know if it's been top sense. But when the Red Sox beat the cardinals four it allowed us to we beat the hawks when they were in Saint Louis, we'd beat the Rams in one, and we beat the blues back in the sixties or some shit. So we we had that city sweep to the point where have all those teams anymore. It's decades support for sure, but it's still the only time I don't know if it's happened since I just know that was the first time it had happened. But doing it all on the same three hundred and sixty five to the Lakers Rams who definitely don't count dodgers would be. I'm pretty good. Yeah. I think I could just walk into anyone's home in LA just claim it as my own. They would beat him. And he had on a B says the beauty LA. So everybody loves it. Hey, you're my house now. Did anything happen with girlie series was? Nothing. Come out yet that I've seen he. He had that one long run that was taken back by a like hands of the face or holding. That was tough. And he looked very disgruntled when he saw the flag down understandably. So. Yeah. But yet I'm and because it wasn't like at least in the other game. C J Anderson was cooking. So it was like, well, why would run away from this? He was not cooking. No one was cooking in this game. Now. But even it was like at by CJ Anderson didn't cook well colored me spray together wasn't employed for three four NFL. The steam ran out while but he just awful day. Like, they didn't get tin carries thirty five years, but one of those sixteen yard, right? So it's like again, he really like nine carries nineteen yards of one kitsch negative one yard the LA key. He wouldn't a factor at all. Now people were saying like he can't I love girl who's been good. Now, everybody's turned on the raining or the offense player of the year. Yeah. From last year by we can't pass block. He doesn't break tackles, and he's not that good of a pass sketch. I'm like, hey, listen, you're not wrong. But man, oh, man. It turns quick real quick. But it's like the rent let the Rams didn't have like that person to just run like a quick route like Cup would they tried to throw passes like, girl and Anderson? Those guys just aren't like PASCAL by natural by the ad OMON. The even Rex Burkhead, man Burke, you gotta give them some Whitman it all white and again, well, James white clearly ran over someone's dog or something I don't know how or why he was written out of the game plan. But the first past week is the first pass he got thrown to him was a bounce pass from Brady that blockers were set up. Like, I was it was a play. We've run a billion times. I can't imagine. How many times they've run in practice? Brady fuck until you tell me if that was adamant with a hidden right in the numbers, probably. Man. There are a couple deep shots to Chris HOGAN yesterday. And I was like why can't you just be just Gordon why? Does he get you think he gets like LA vote on it? Let you think he gets room thousand percent thousand percent. I would be shocked played technically six games like he played. Yeah. I didn't think that no he put up like seven hundred and fifty yards or something with. Yeah. I didn't get off here. He vitamins like a couple of the Browns. Then he got traded. Then I was like, well I like he missed a couple in. Then he got cooked hit. I'm looking at up. Just because I everytime. I look at it shocks me. How them? Let's see. Yeah. Forty one catches seven thirty seven yards. Four touchdowns. Trust him any actual out Andrew suspension. No eleven getting for sure. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, he I just didn't think that's on me. He played one with the Browns. So he just played a lot more this year than I thought he'd be just Gordon had like a good season. Then he averaged like eighteen or nineteen yards per catch with the patriots. Didn't he he has one game with the Browns. The at one catch for seventeen yard touchdown then forty catches seven hundred twenty yards three touchdowns eighteen yards kitsch. Yes. Oh, yeah. He only caught touchdowns with the Browns adver tween seventeen eighteen yards a kitsch when he was not being suspended. That's like a like a Brandin cooks season like eleven hundred over sixteen eleven hundred yards. Not that many touchdowns. But I'm stretching the field. But we would've won thirty to three if judge Gordon plays in that game. I promise you it would. Surprisingly, they didn't have to defend HOGAN deep. They if they had put no-one on HOGAN if they had just let him alone. He would have had the exact same impact on the game digs out. Mike. Sure, you wanna sleep wide open. Wait let let's make them connect. Oh, that's right. That's right. What happened is a little hat. A listening wave Phillips head his dad game. John McVeigh's their games. Not Sean McVeigh for listen. If if if we're gonna talk acidly called Brad Stevens Boy Genius, Sean McVay doesn't even get that respect. Oh, no. That's why I was like, man. Oh, man. The Bengals about to pay his quarterback his his instant. No way like me and my coat my hat. We held up. Jared. You should wore the head Atallah should. Sean, maybe maybe your day should have been cooler. So you'd wanna do a tribute him McVeigh was mean, Yikes. That's okay. Like, even the patriots are doing that. All okay. It's about adjustments. Right. So yeah. If you are boy jeans. It's okay. They're doing that. Then I'll send you to the land with three plays two of them are fake. Like, we gotta do something or get hand signals involve like anything other than well, they shut the headsets off. 'cause that's the NFL rules were fucked by even honest. It was. Like they rushed with three point four yards carries a team. But girly had three point like, even if it's like, I don't we're not getting yards through the air. Like, even we're getting three and a half from girly. Maybe we can get to like third and four like thirty three thirty four makes up the happen. They got a couple of penalties on third down which like saved him. Oh, yeah. Big. And I wanna look at the final note because I remember when Lamar Jackson had a first half like that. Boy, it was like you gotta go to the backup quarterback ugly. Who you in is if your quarterback? Listen, I don't know because it was never suggested. And I. Maybe offals better. That's fine. It wouldn't be much. John, man. Yeah. I was gonna guess Manion. I mean, they then he bowling be like flacco. So I get that part of it. But they blunted eight the first eight drives a head the ball. Yeah. They did. I couldn't believe it. If felt like like Gough was itching to turn the ball over the Rams in general didn't even have to come from Gaza. But the Rams are itching to turn the ball over. And they just kept putting and I was like all right. Maybe like, maybe these are the turnovers, and we're about to get like shredded deep, and then they have that. And then Jason mccourty rent faster than humans ever run. And that was on Gough too. Because he just had to throw that. I don't know five seconds earlier because cooks was opened like set up a camp late waiting. I'm still here feel it was like off like I'm taking my time. I've got gotta put it on the money and cooks like, no, no, no, just put it up. I've got nothing left to right to room. Right. Yeah. You could throw it to twenty is behind me. But since I'm so far away from you. I can fully stop and running go catch this. He's like I'm very fan. This is what this is. How I got this. Okay. I got this job this. I got this lifestyle. And man. Oh, man. I know. I can't go back. Lamar. Yeah. Can't say Lamar even cooked at the in golf didn't do that. So. But man, oh, man if you really are doing that would eight straight dry like the entire first half. And you don't know girlies hurt or not. And I don't know. Do you like do? Honestly, you consider your backup because I know is never discussed. Maybe it shouldn't have been. Yeah. Now, I don't think I do because like our offense was so good all year like it's ballot. Check. It's it's the patriots. Like, it's our first time here like that would feel to over reactionary. But I also didn't think taking them are out was smart idea. So. Yeah. I was on thin, and I wouldn't have touched golf last night. But I'm just saying it was the same excuses people that you can't he's income. He's incompetent, right? But the scores still close enough the one draft could make a difference. Definitely. I think as I just think if you saw shy Manion warming up ballot check when it just like taking headset off been like, well, this game's over we flora. Hey, take it over. Adjust stop the car, man. We. Oh, man. The no six for Brady. I don't it's like the people love to talk about his numbers. People want to shit about his numbers last year. They weren't having it at all when he threw five hundred and five yards and four touchdowns. Whatever the fuck. It was so long is what he threw boards. That's what I meant. Yeah. So he gets the win on numbers aren't good. Another gets the loss sets all these records. No one wants to talk about that he lost. So we're not gonna talk about the numbers last year. I don't wanna hear it for this. You got the win. And he threw fucking dimes to gronk to win the game rock Brock's third healthiest human being on the planet. Bind Colli in boogie. Very spry. Rules brown. He's once he started doing the thing where he's running. He's just holding the ball like tennis ball. He's looking like somebody's head to run. I was like, oh, wow. This guy's hero. Fuck you know, this is grunt grind. And that was it was like Tom Brady looked all. But like every it'll have like a great throw. And he lived gronk until like some beauties. They someone had it earlier Brady was like fourteen for seventeen when targeting them to note has been. Nineteen for twenty three Ataman had been for twelve. And gronk was six percent. Yes. Sixteen nineteen. Yeah. So he was everyone else. He threw to like fucking Chris HOGAN and James white, which I still don't know why James white was. Governor twice Burke here in twice a Patterson it on all those one of four James white for five yard sunny over to the entirety of the pass game goes where like the well. It was like the first option wasn't there. So Brady just threw it at like its feet type plays. So I don't even know if I would consider those real targets Hogan's now you've been on here. It was like those aren't real target. Must sort of confusion going on here. Yeah. No. I I don't know what Hogan's contracts tuition is. He was good in the falcons game. I'm all set moving forward. He did nothing. This. You get a with my UMass Isabella. Oh boy. I would love Isabelle. Do you turn? You turn him into Isabelle you in there. I mean, Isabel wide receiver one in this draft. So I be that'd be swooning. If we got his bell a good thing that why receivers in the draft kinda stink. I wanted to be like why receiver six I'm the only person who has missed wide receiver one. So so I believe he is like wide receiver eight for everyone. Keiper is gonna steal this take. I'm fine with that blog at weeks ago. 'cause he announced that he's been training with Randy moss. And I was like that's all you mass and rainy MAs. Yeah. This is best receiver in the draft. I don't wanna hear anyone else. Brent heat rendered the one person. I didn't see this week that wanted to. Yeah. In run into raining. Yeah. Next time. So. Yeah. I can't imagine. This is the other thing I was thinking too. Like, I don't understand why unless you're from Boston and like our age why you would like the NFL. Because if you're not from Boston, you don't like the patriots and they've been in nine Super Bowls millennium. And they've won six of them. And it's just like well everyone hates God damn team. At least last year. Like, I could see why people like lashes who will the eagles finally won patriots lost. It was a high scoring affair watching last night's fuck in Iowa Wisconsin game. Was I can't imagine. Like, if you're Rams fan, you don't exist. So doesn't matter. And if you're just a fan of one of the other thirty teams like what would a horrible night to be a football fan. Now like fund funder Celtics play a better game yesterday. Then the Super Bowl, not usually. I'm white trying. They get techy lead. Ten better football game. Kentucky fastballs play games yesterday that game. Again, I did like the person. But I thought the second half it was like man like get somebody. And I kept thinking was going to happen. It's okay element and gronk or still like they're still getting loose, son. Who's running golf is connected on a couple in nothing. Punt a punt. But yeah, granted the patriots. I thought the like the dolphin should be hype. Right. Like Florida the floors showed his ass in that game the whole playoffs really like the second half against the chiefs. The chiefs became the chiefs. Again, I'm not gonna hold that against him. Like he held off the dogs for the entire first half and part of flute man part of that was the offense keeping Mahomes stapled to the bench for the first like nine minutes of the game. Just getting him like actually like freezing cold. But yeah, they I mean they forced three nights in that first half the charges that we dismantled so. Yeah, florez. I I don't know. I'm sure someone's gonna be like three zero four someone's going to park in like the paint manic three hundred game something like that. But like this feels like the best patriot defensive playoff run of all of them. A meaning maybe a one since that was like the greatest show on tariff in like Brady wasn't Brady at. But I mean Brady wasn't exactly like like he had a good. He really good season. But it's like playoffs like Sony had three touchdowns against the charges. And then birkhead had what to last week against two weeks ago has achieved Sony had another one any through that red zone. Interception of gronk. He threw that interception. When he was targeting fucking HOGAN the first quarter of the Super Bowl. Oh, yeah. So I don't like Brady obviously was just the factories on the field. Like the other teams game planning Fram all week. No matter what we're doing on the run game. So he obviously has major impact, but Florez and Bella check for I don't even know Belgium practice offense like during the playoffs like fucking run the bottle gives shit. We're just gonna we'll just do what they don't like just let Tom. He's he's got it. And he's fine. But we're just we're just gonna clam up everyone. You see Mahomes motherfucker? We gotta figure him out. We got like either the Rams or the saints. We had figure out we gotta lot shit to work on and motherfucker that three three points and Super Bowl to Sean McVay. Yeah. That's why. It might be the best because the way it ended like it's three points for the Boy Genius. The gathered. I'm looking right at these new highest three people got their jobs directly this year because of Sean McVeigh's influence. Zack Taylor on his staff. Right. And then like the floor kings. Whereas these guys are just so handsome, but they're so innovate. They have to be the next McVeigh. Boy, boy, like I I see why like if because if the guy hits the Rams are amazing shape. So if it hits you're good. But I don't like why would you not I guess try to like the dolphins is half floors. I okay, he just takes care of the defense. Like, and we try to find McVay to be often the coordinator, not the head coach. I just someone's right? Like what exact Taylor going from the Rams quarterback coach and Brian flows? Like yoda's like cumby mom McVeigh for the dolphins bars. That's when I Blake. Oh shit. Like, okay. Like the staff, it'd be freida. I know he's taking the patriots quarterback coach. Was given a lot of credit for working like he hasn't done shit with Tom. But he's worked a lot of Jacoby. And jimmy. Okay. So I don't know what I can't remember what his I think he's just going to be quarterback coach there too. But I mean, they're bringing new quarterback. So that feels important. Hill. Like, do they say? I think it'll be good for the boat on. Yeah. I don't know who's gonna take that might be a backup somewhere. But oh, buddy. Listen, just you wait. I mean, I'm sure he will be starting somewhere. But it's a bad idea. Of course, Sam Bradford twenty million dollars. Somebody's gonna be like, listen, we couldn't get brantford. We gotta get Hannah hits be like Denver. They're just gonna keep bringing in these shitty quarterbacks day, and it's gonna be buying jersey re year seventy five million. Now, you're right. That's probably exactly what's gonna happen. Yuck. But like, I'm looking like of these new coaches. And like aliens feels like he has a track record of success. Correct. Gas has a track record doesn't data about it. But everybody else likes Kingsbury. I'm good Zack Taylor again. He might be going from quarterback coach eve Boswell of somebody's three points to two head coat. It's also like he you need a good front office. It's the Bengals do. Like, you know, what I'm saying? You're not going to get the help you need. Freddie kitchens. I've like they should be high about him. Like, he is the best name of these. So far Fangio. Sure. Like introduced Saint try to find your McVeigh Matla Fleur. I guess we'll say, yeah. And then floor like, I feel happy about kitchens, Laura's and Fangio. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. In gays and the rest. Yeah. We'll see. We have Flora's with monster. All playoffs. And it wasn't like I mean, he's been in the in New England for a while like working under Patricia and everything so he just stepped up he moved gradually up like we've been talking about with all these other guys. I do see success for him is the first time I've taken Miami seriously like ever. I feel like this is that's a big step because again like when these coordinators in the past went somewhere like you didn't you weren't like oh shit. We gotta pay attention to the lions now now. But so this is like if they do this in if they just nail quarterback. I want them to go collar Maso for bed. They might. I mean, certainly on the table for him. I feel like a better option in twenty million ten able I know. I dunno does he'd have who's offense coordinator. I don't know. 'cause I know that I don't even think he's technically signed the contract yet. I think they've agreed in principle. But see this is the other thing too that I feel like has happened when all year coordinators take those meetings like went during that by week or during the playoffs in general. They're not as focused like as they should be on the game. This is like like the timing. Does always feel weird. Right. It's like you. Can you literally just give me like seven day? You have all my undivided attention. I needed higher now. Right. I've never understood the rush like this. Why bad team stay bad? Like, no. We need to today or we're gonna move onto our second candidate. Like, wow. Why would you do that like with clearly you don't like fucking Dana at the chicks? Like, why would you even think that way? Like, no, you're our guy. Yeah. We'll wait. Like if you're serious about being a head coach, we're serious about hiring. You never understand. The rush that they all put on themselves. So. Yeah, florez. But that's like the Rams like it. Doesn't shock me that Wade Phillips was prepared because he's fucking going anywhere and their offense wasn't. So who's there? They do even have of coordinated like is it just McVeigh as he calls the plays any. Yeah. Also, he didn't have his hold that guy. He's aid has what have you not saying? He has like a guy who holds them back because he wanders onto the field. His one year. Whether he was sick. He didn't make the flight. Feels like a guy that McVeigh was lost without hold back guy. I'm just saying sound like Boy Genius needs everything perfect run to and that's fine too. But it was painted like, no, he's the one creating the perfection, right? I'm looking at said, he's floors is the NASA Chad O'Shea who's the current wide receivers. Coach for the patriots. Okay. He's been airline time to. Yeah. Sees me since two thousand nine as the wide receivers coach of the Vikings. If at three years chiefs. Three years. So the Mississippi for three years. Wow. Almost like again, a worked his way through the man, man. This makes me incredibly nervous that Bella checks the poll like power cells and just take like a president of the Miami Dolphins type role. Maybe was Brady would've. Would you be a patriots fan? Honestly. Yeah. It's too much shock, man. Gone. Just ride it out. Yeah. It'd be like how can I complain? After all these years would be I'd be like, well this fucking stinks. But the I wouldn't be like, I'm not patriots. Anyway. I would I would be. If they brought that throwbacks back. It would be a different conversation the floor. It's first matter business. Hey, McVeigh wasn't. He he lost that game. When he picked the blue throwbacks fee pick the white throw bags. We lose that game. No, doubt my mind. The dunno. Donald just look scarier, Donald how he. I don't know. What? Like when when he was. I thought he was gonna lot much larger impact not saying no impact on the game. Because a couple times they've Tom Brady up in spiked him into the ground. But I thought he was going to be unblock abo- so shout Dante Dante's Nekia who pitched a perfect game. All plus all playoffs. Now. He I mean, he had his that was the points. We have to dislike limit. That's yeah. This is just do some stuff and to their credit. They were able to limit it. Sky Nekia retired after the Seahawks Ribaud he's offense of line. Coach. He retired after the Seahawks ruble, the next years when we went into Denver and von Miller had I don't know like twenty six. I'll never forget him. Just literally just pushing groman just backwards several months like they knew he will come into. He was telling him. He's like I am going to go hit that guy bind you. Yeah. I hope boy. And then I'm pretty sure Bella check and craft like immediately left that game. And they pulled a dream on. They just got wet right to Scott at his house. They legless, and we we just need you to coach our line. Like, that's all we need like we'll figure everything else out. We need the line. And he came back mmediately beat the falcons. Then we laws last year which there was only one sack. I remember correctly. I was the first Gordon who was a very important play. But. But no for sir. If you know that going in then you take it a hundred times out of mind, right? Yeah. Like, the Rams would take thirteen points. One hundred times out of a hundred like those things you sign up for hersher. You gotta figure out the rest of the other. Yeah. Or you don't get some are. Yeah. It happens. It's crazy is this was the patriots largest margin of victory and suitable. I did see that. I was like. Wow. And it could have been larger. I mean, just from like gust Ascii who's automatic just missing bit over their last eight quarters of super bowling there. Plus two. Like, they lose by eight. They went by ten in a game where they scored. Twenty less points. Eight points. What are we talking about? They lose forty one. Thirty three Brady has a stork night. They win thirteen to three. It's added. I'll never be able to figure out the Super Bowl. And I see it every year. I think I'm a really won't Bill Miami. Now. Like, just like, yo rose great. It's awesome. Why you already got everything got Bill Parcells come in here and talk rap with resigned. He's like, I don't know about my legacy. He's like Brahma Laker for life. My like, you know, what I'm saying? I think Pat Riley the Lakers like, yeah. Other people think of the Knicks to like either way you create what if you went though, but and if you win that's even better. Yeah. That's what I like. That's just ising on the cake at that point you. Yeah. Bell jack. Lazy in New England. Good forever. Is anyone who would jump off? It'd be like no, I'm not with the steam anymore like those which is going to happen. I know that's going to happen. Those people stinking. Nobility just goes there. He like, listen, give me foles. Do you? See the eagles are plan on franchising trading him. I'd saw. Does that mean they can only for like two first round? Or can they still negotiate it? That's what I understand about the franchise like alpha. Yeah. I don't fully understand if you can like extend them or anything. But it's also like your trading for a quarterback that can only make twenty million dollars for one year now. So that seems to drive the price of the trade down. We can't they. It was like once he gets there. He negotiate like an extension. If the. Yeah, I think I I would hope so. Yeah. No other way, sounds like he didn't they probably offered him some under the table money for their buy out. And he was like, no, all right. You're gonna make us play legal. Don't blame them. Not at all. I get it. I just don't know what. I don't I don't know what the trade market. Like, I I'd rather pay Nick foles twenty million Sam Bradford or Ryan tannehill. Right. Yeah. I'd rather not pay to Sam Bradford at all. That's really what I'm saying. Yeah. I wouldn't wanna pay him just legal currency for like two reaching on my roof. I don't even like, I don't know if he'd be a good backup, man. He's he gives getting hurt. And he thought it'd go is that what you want direct, and he's like a backup where enough of your fan base is dumb enough to be like if your regular quarterback stinks. We like, maybe we should give this a try is the number one overall pin? I'm just saying he's the number right? Yeah. No. You had the completion record for awhile leg. Ep lose things. People. Forget. So. Yeah. Football done only basketball moving forward Tyler on the whole fame. Graduations. Try did make holiday like Bruce make it's really loud didn't him it. It's real. Yeah. It was Tyler champ Bailey. Ed reed. And we. He. The was alive. Man. I can't remember which one. Information is on the internet made probably and not. We saw it read the party. He just had on the hall of fame in before was announced like man on man. Well, they over like a Super Bowl ring. They announced the like the times that it would spent everyone debating like because I do it. They don't do it like ballots. They like, we'll put you your picture up and just like talk about you for however, long and tiles kinda like it. Yeah. Tiles was the longest like they announced this before they announced to God end. So Tyler was the longest that was debated. And I thought that meant for sure he was not in like if you're talking about someone that long that doesn't sound like hall of fame. Yeah. His was like twenty seven minutes something did they show like what the people were saying? No, they just they just released the times I would pay to hear what they like some of our just wanna hear these debate. They reported that Ron gorgeous who. Is a patriots writer who was like the first to report the demise of the patriots. And when I say, I I mean like two thousand three like, okay. So he was on early. Yeah. And the hasn't given it up yet. Correct. And he's going to be I'll give him credit will be the first one that gets it. But he apparently made like, I'm very impassioned speech. And he also acquired a letter from a think Brady, and it was either Crafter Bella check like two of those three as to why Todd's will be Famer in that who's I I don't know how long those letters were. But that would apparently get it done. Against good much like very much, desire and Edward was two minutes and two seconds. So I assume there's one around the room like, Yep. Sure is never what two minutes of technical difficulty. The champions who voted pit bull. And who am I think I surprised he's not already in Gil Brandt? Tony solace laws. Kevin a y what I feel like we've discussed a couple years. So I'm I thought he would get in. I guess feels right? Ed reed. Johnny robinson. As grew should be knowledgeable and editor James as well editor James at also. And that's why it's it's like did Ataman. Settlement lock it up last night. It's like heating of nothing until Isaac Bruce in lake. That's a travesty doesn't that personal by the move. He retired like top three like everything. Direct one England made it to another one was like he didn't buy some playoff credentials, correct. A he's been van agreed same Adrian Jacobs. Yeah. And I had other people trying to say 'cause I said now that tiles in and I don't have to fight that fighting more. I was gonna move all my attention to James is Bruce, and I had a lot of patriot fans being like what about Richard Seymour? And I was like listen Richard Seymour and to be to see more credit. I didn't realize how many all pros he had. And he was but his counting numbers when you're when you're the edge rusher. Or when you're the edge for the patriots. You're not a Russia. You'd literally just set the edge. And if you fall into a sack great Seymour has to less career sacks Aaron Donald and seven more years. Aaron Donald not put him in all of him right now. I agree. But it's like you guys an interior Russia. He's not even supposed to do that. Like Chandler Jones has like twenty more careers axon less time. So again, if if the pro football famous going to start looking at things like, no, he made all I think he might have been all decade. I don't know. But if they're gonna look at things like the all pros and not counting numbers than rich. Zemo? It's got a great case if they're looking at counting numbers for defensive end. I don't see how he gets it. He has no double digits axes. Ines. I think it's highest was eight and a half five. Remember from what I was looking at the other day fifty seven and a half career. And listen rich Seymour was a monster. Those patriots teams, and I didn't get to watches Oakland years as closely because it was the other side of the country. But even there like he couldn't put up in a different system put up double digit sacks. So I if they're to leave it I'm like, I'm looking he made he made two pro bowls, all pro Oakland. Yes. Yes. Do still cut. Do. He was he was pointing so few. Yeah. I agree. It's he was three four. So they're sack numbers. I don't feel. If you are only going by that. And that's completely missing which they probably do. That's well, hopefully, yeah. Those guys are about to check out. Steve atwater didn't make I would had a man but Sally didn't make it was his third time. Bruce didn't air coryell didn't make it about you get in Alan panico, Steve in no, edges three, John. Lynch six I keep thinking he's already in. Yeah. Rodney Barbour should be into. Is he on the on about next year? He was on this year. He didn't make the finalists though. This is this is C. I could see more getting here. I'd be fine with it. I've listened put all the early to get Troy Brown in there. I have no problem with all of it now. Okay. And then like now does Ataman maybe. Yeah. Okay. If we're getting we're getting the whole gang in there. I got no beef with. Yeah. Listen, I'll never complain Hightower. Not a high down Devin mccourty. Johnny Robinson, who I don't know. Who that he got his fool? Oh shit. That's him. That's the getting he got seven legacy more getting on like six seven time. Yes. If they want to look at just like what he was able to do to another teams running game just by standing up, your left tackle and being like going anywhere pal the nation. Probably be in if they're not gonna look at it that way, and they're gonna hold this against him. I think it's gonna be really tough. Right now. See I Johnny Robinson probably should have been. Fifth Super Bowl champion. Wait a minute one Pro Bowl yacht. Bobo went on pro. One time interception Lee. Okay. We go six time AFL star seven seven all AFL's. Here. We go. Pro football fifty seven picks to deepen detested. Fifteen opens of touchdown pretty good. He retire retired in nineteen seventy one. And they were like, yeah. Okay. Maybe finally be. In congressional Johnny. Who's still alive? So good. Fucking good. Congrats to me and you on our civil did good resin pace, Tom. Yes. Recipe's porter. Yes. Recipe's bow. Yes. Car cares fund for Flint smash that donation button. Please. And thank you shut verse long for winning Walter Payton man of the year ward. We'll get next year. We will Chris long for your ask her as long you better. Do even more good than you did this year at listen if that guy's thing. Yeah. He won't do it cowardice. I'll put my finger. I'll get a ladder climate and put my finger to his nose and challenging bring Howie too. I wanna I wanna. Colin. The long family. They're three time men of the year. Never happen. Never ever. We will see you later this week.

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 510: NBA Shakeup Before Deadline (2-6-2019)

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 510: NBA Shakeup Before Deadline (2-6-2019)

"Space some regions are vast empty other areas we call closets. Fortunately, Kevin from the container store has answers. Right. Kevin. What gives you the power over space? I'd say alpha, customizable, closets with free, design and Elvis adjustable shelving and drawers, I can create space in any size closet. Kevin master of space and closets or just Kevin. Plus right now, save thirty percent on elephant installation and earn up to five hundred dollars in credit through February tenth at the container store where space comes from who wears music coming from. This is your alternate staffer everything sports, the Golden State media concepts ords podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA MMA? It's all in here. The Golden State media concepts sports by cast listen. Kalervo? Welcome to the GSM. See sports podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jeff Mallon off in with as always Mark Souza. We have some NBA trade deadline news to talk about as well, the clippers and Lakers both have made trades and last twenty four hours and as well anti Davis. Hawks have been a little more interesting as it progresses. Also gonna talk about LeBron Lou his one of his biggest blow loss in his career. Which is saying something as well as the fans Channing during that game to his teammates, which is also pretty entertaining to discuss and anything else that needs to be discussed probably more on the long lines of football news or any other news, we will discuss. But right now, it's NBA news. That's really taken over the show because we are twenty four hours away from the trade deadline ending or twenty well twenty eight twenty nine hours in if you want to be specific, but we are very close to the trade deadline, and we've already made some. Moves we'll start with the biggest trade so far as Tobias Harris has been traded from the clippers to the seventy Sixers for a pretty impressive trade if he asked me for in response, they got a couple of players back the clippers tip, but they get a twenty twenty first rounder and the twenty twenty one unprotected first round pick from Miami and two second round picks. So what are your thoughts on this Tobias Harris trade, I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams obviously the Sixers their aspirations of making it to the NBA finals? I think improve big time with the addition Tobias Harris, you have now a big four quote unquote with Embiid Simmons added Jimmy Butler earlier this season. Now, you add to buy a series it. It just makes this team more formidable especially now, you could run a line about their those four guys on the court that makes you extremely athletic. You had a little bit of shooting with Butler and definitely with Tobias Harris. I just don't see the downside at all for the Sixers in this trade. They gave up players better expendable, I believe and sets you up for the future too. Because the Sixers do have a chance to keep all four of these guys around for years, as we know Simmons still on that rookie deal. So this can be great for the short term and really good for the long term. And yeah, the picks give up I'm not too worried about it because I don't necessarily think that either one of those pixel be high especially not the Sixers pick. I play any might. I don't know beers. Twenty twenty one is still couple years away. But I could see that being a lottery pick because I can see like another team passing them when it comes to playoffs positioning, and the it could be a small chance for a high pick. I think that's a pretty good bed. If he asked me, but overall, I will say that Tobias Harris goes from an eight c team to a well in eastern title contender in the seventy Sixers because now you have Embiid now, you have Simmons who's playing very well Butler, of course. And now, you have Harris as your big four, quote, unquote. And of course, Harris and Butler's contracts are expiring at the end of the season. And it looks like they're hoping to get both those guys back. So I think they have a good chance of getting those guys back. Did you see Butler I could see Harris restraint, but he see Butler attorney to make this force. Stay as they are. Yeah. Absolutely. I think so. And you know, if for some reason they can't keep both. They could still be active in. Free agency. And something Harris is almost like I'm saying like Harris's ninety nine percent Butler is the one that's gonna be interesting to me, the most honestly BC's always been a question Mark ever since they traded for him in the earlier this season from the Timberwolves. He's always been a question Mark of if he will stay with the seventy Sixers by NC's internet. Yes. Yeah. So I think this move is great for their chances this year, though, as I think they if they weren't in the conversation of. Eastern Conference champions. I think they now are with this additional. Absolutely. This move might put them higher than the books and the raptors it could possibly catapult them higher than those two teams right now. Definitely I think separates them in the Celtics. We'll look at the standings right now. We're just gonna if we're going to go that we're out boss, both bucks. An raptors have thirty nine wins. Philadelphia has thirty four wins to they're five roughly five games behind them. So they could go on a run at the moment with the addition of Harris, no doubt about it. And I mean, the Pacers have even without Allah depot, they've won three straight so far after their blowout win against the Lakers. So they still are pretty good team with even without alad depot. But again, they still have a long ways to go. But I could see it happening. I mean, Harris a huge edition. He's been playing amazing for the clippers. So it can only benefit the seventy Sixers situation. Yeah. And I think right now the Sixers are closer to representing the east in the championship. Oh, obviously finals than they were yesterday. Big time. I think is just a big time move. I did find it interesting though, that Tobias Harris he just had just Sankey game winning shot. I saw that. And he's traded just hours maybe even minutes after the game. He's he's getting dressed in the coaches. Hey, what's up, buddy? Great game. Thanks coach. Yeah. You're no longer on the team what for the clippers. They obviously are giving up on this season. They had a good season. But I do think this mart for them to kind of think about the future. Remember, they will be going after the quiet Leonard's of the world this summer. They'll be going after guys like Durant. They'll be going after. Seems to me that quite go in there regard think he's that's like ninety five percent violating percentage on that. His ideal place in no one really knows. What quite once? He's he's a white guy. Yeah. I it's actually I mean of all the free agents that will be testing the market. I think his him is. He's the hardest wanna read at this point. Nobody really knows. But regardless the clippers will have the opportunity to go after a max player, they'll be able to go after a guy like DeMarcus cousins, they'll be able to go after he got coil Leonard. Kevin durant? Kyrie Irving cetera et cetera. Kemba Walker also and this interesting free agency for choir these draft picks, and if they would have made the playoffs they would have lost their first round pick. So they get their first round pick by not making the playoffs. They get that back. They also out these two picks. You talked about the Miami unprotected pick. We don't know what will happen. Maybe that will be a great pick it could twenty twenty one. So we don't know yet. But it it's still possibility because I I don't see the. He getting better anytime soon, and I could see how the team behind them getting better. So yeah, I could see that being a potential good pick in the long run a lot of sense for the clippers. It's weird seeing the seventy Sixers trade first round picks. They're usually the opposite. They trade for picks not they don't trade against their picks. But I know they're in a winning situation. Now that snow more process. This is a team that win a championship in theory. So maybe that's a sign that the process is working. I think that's trust across this. Oh, so yeah. I understand like it used to they used to be the joke of the NBA. Now, they're legitimate contenders. But again, this all comes down to it's not about winning the ease. It's about if you win the east how you can do against the warriors. Maybe there is something to this whole taking thing. Right. Sixers did it for four years in a row, and they came out pretty good. Well, they tried it. They're gonna try to switch that up with the fourteen percent now for the bottom three teams. So it's still it's still there's still ID ideals for tanking, but they're less attractive than they used to be. So maybe they're different now. But who knows yeah. Yeah. It's just funny because you know, I know people don't like it the people don't like to see their teams lose on purpose. And all that. And I understand. I mean, it's frustrating as fan. But when you look at to Mike, the Sixers, you realize, oh, wait why they the way worth it, quote, unquote. But we don't know if the if the process even weren't is there's they I mean. Already shown to be worth their right? I mean. Up for. I think the process officially is. Like it's to win a championship. And that's still to be determined. That will. Yeah. But I mean, it just because you don't win the chip doesn't mean you didn't it wasn't worth it. The fact that that they have set their team up to be a contender for the next four or five years. That's pretty if it wasn't for the warriors being this dominant. I would say this team would have a very good chance of winning the championship this year. But again, I think every teams just preparing not for their own playoff positioning per se, but just to beat the warriors. If they meet them in the playoffs that makes sense. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Because when it comes down to it. That's the team everyone has to face. Eventually. That's the team. Everyone needs to beat. Eventually, you know, when it comes down to getting to a championship in winning a championship. Is it still the warriors leak? Yep. So this summer, the clippers become an interesting destination. There is a lot of people who thought they wouldn't be keeping Tobias Harris anyways that they'd be looking at a guy at Coa Leonard, maybe someone else. So if they really thought, hey, we can make this trade acquire some assets and still potentially get the free agent that we want the summer. I mean, that's that makes all the sense in the world. I totally see where the covers are coming from here. Are there fans heavy about it probably not right now? But I think they will be the summer when they do land a star player. I they'd probably will play with. They will. There's only so many teams that can that can get one Cooper's. We'll get one and just spend soon we'll be but regardless you get a star player. Plus you get draft picks. So it makes sense world. Plus now Philadelphia won't be in the market to acquire someone like Kawai or different star. Now that they kind of have their team sets and not make sense of the world. But we gotta talk about the Celtics. I think they're the biggest loser in this trade yesterday. I think they're the one team that has been kinda taken right hook after right hook lately and yesterday's trae last night's trade hurts the Celtics because they were due to get the clippers first round pick. If the clippers had made the. Playoffs. But now, it looks like Cooper's have punted away the playoffs Celtics. How many hours a pick say a civil record sixty five yards. The Celtics will probably lose a pick. Remember, the Celtics also get the second kings draft pick which could potentially be worse now because the clippers should fall below the kings in the standings. We don't know if the kings will fall themselves, but it could be potentially worse. So you lose a pick. You could lose the value of that last pick it really hurts their chances of acquiring somebody like Anthony Davis or another star via trade in the summer this year. So it's interesting for them and a franchise like the Celtics who like everything was going their way for a couple of years. They had all these assets all these picks. They still have a lot of good things going for them. But it is kind of tough. I think if you're a Celtics fantasy a team. Philadelphia. Maybe pass you up. There's two other teams that are head of you right now. And not only are you losing pigs in losing these great assets, you could lose encourage Irving in the offseason get an that is a huge blow as well. So this team could go from being a contender for the foreseeable future too. Maybe being Beck at the bottom in the future and their cap strapped. If they lose kyri, they are not going to be able to pick up a star free agent. So they'd have to do via trade. So they'd have to give up asset. It sounds like it would be like a Jason Tatum. They get rid of. And that's a huge blow if they have to get rid of him for star players my half to they just might have to and Jason tames a great player. He is. I think it has great potential to be an all star in this league. So I would be just a huge loss in my opinion. Yeah. I mean, it would obviously you wouldn't want to lose kyri and then have to trade young players like Jason Tatum forego. It can't they Davis. He'd rather have carry plus either the current team now or curry plus Anthony Davis, if you are gonna trade in Tatum, plus others, but it is interesting inputs them. In kind of a more precarious position than they were just at the beginning of this year at least in the last twenty four hours. I think their position has even gotten a little bit worse. But we'll see we'll see the deadlines coming up. So maybe the Celtics we'll try and make another move. Now. Maybe it'll turn trade kyri. Out to while. I even think about that. I'm not sure they're actually gonna fall there's talk. So that Celtics are confident that he's going to stay keyword, maybe. But with that, I don't I don't know what we can get for carrying maybe Anthony Davis in that situation. But again, it's like that seems like a place in his Davis does not want to go to. So it might be a problem for them. If they wanna go pursue him. Because he might not be there from the in after next season if that. Yeah. Next season afterwards. Yep. So there is a there is a lot of things the Celtics you have to think about, but I think if they if they need to win it's now more than ever or maybe they decide they aren't gonna win this year, and they try and trade kyri for some other assets. So they get in their own tank. Not tank, but you know. I mean, I don't think the Celtics are one of the top three teams at east right now. That's crazy to say because this beginning of this season. We're like the Celtics are gonna win this Eastern Conference. Yeah. And Hayward hasn't recovered as well as many have hoped. Injury was pretty severe. So it's not his fault. I'm not gonna blame him for his play that that injury was way too severe for anyone to come back after one season. So I'm not gonna say, whatever the reasons are doesn't really matter. The fact is is that the Celtics have not lived up to the expectations. It doesn't look like they're going to be able to make it to the Eastern Conference finals, let alone win the east and certainly don't think they could compete with the warriors. Philadelphia. I think is head and shoulders higher than them right now. In addition to the books and the raptors and maybe even the Pacers, man. The Pacers are good team. I know, you know, they don't really have one star. They don't have a guy that like Boston. You think about the career Ving like the Pacers are good all-round team. So I'm not willing to just say the Celtics are easily better than the Pacers. Either, you know, so that's at least three possibly four teams better than the Celtics in just the Eastern Conference. Yeah. And this is starting to extremely competitive on the top of the seatings, obviously, the bottom scenes aren't as competitive. But it looks to me let it would go to like if I had to pick an Eastern Conference champion at right now, it would be between three three teams in my mind. And that's the Sixers the bucks and the raptors. I wouldn't put the Pacers. They're not no offense to them. I think they're great team. But I think they can't they can't go in the long run. And as well as the Celtics just don't seem to have it at the moment. It's very disappointed. Disappointing for the Celtics. Definitely this is this is season. That's supposed to be the the year. You know what? I mean. This is the championship year. This is where everything's supposed to come together. And now they're looking at a very disappointing end to their season. The Sixers also get Bogue on on our team, which makes him an interesting piece. You know, not too many seven foot three guys walking around that can block shots and defend in the paint. If they need somebody like that. So yeah, he's a small part of this trade. But again, just kind of something else to to have another another guess tool in their tool built for the Sixers as they try to navigate through these. Yes. And it seems like that going to be the sick. That's the big Sixers trade deadline move. We're assuming there's going to be plenty of more moves tomorrow. I think usually the hours before deadline ends, that's where trades get a little crazy and desperate. That's where we say. Oh, what were they thinking? But again, we will see how that goes. It's weird to talk about the trade deadline non talking about Anthony Davis, but he's not the topic right now. So that is a big change when it comes down to that topic. But let's say we take a little break in talk more about the NBA. 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See sports podcast is finished talking about the big trade from the clippers and Tobias Harris trade now if you want to the Lakers, not only do they have a trade for a certain Detroit piston we'll get in a little bit. But I wanna talk about their massive forty two point blowout loss to the Indiana Pacers. It was in president one thirty six to ninety four LeBron's worst loss of his career. And he showed he wasn't playing the best either with only eighteen point, seven rebounds, nine assists. Not the Brown s numbers, but they're pretty positive numbers in general, but still not enough to be a great performance. And of course, this is just and the image. They're really spoken my mind. The most wasn't the chance, which we also we'll talk about those are interesting. But how everyone was like Brown was at the end of the bench in no one was sitting next to him. Right. Yeah. That's the images are kind of getting off a buzz this morning as Bron James was sitting where he normally sits. Because he does have a special chair for him. Like, he has a he has heating pads on it. Is that true? I know that part. Yeah. He sits in the same chair game. But is no one allowed sitting on that year either. I don't know about that. But the interesting perspective is kind of how far everybody is away from him, including Rondo Rhonda's, the one in that image. That is the most interesting because he's actually sitting with the fans he's not sitting here. Voided him was he goes voting him? He's not sitting in a unoccupied seat next to abroad. I know that there were a lot of Laker fans and other people coming to the defense of those images saying, well, the Lakers are making his substitution there put up from the bench Volvo law, but that was debunked as if you're watching the game or watching the video of that. I don't know that sequence there were no sobs. They're no it wasn't true. So. Yes. The the Lakers weren't barest. Like you mentioned. It was the biggest loss in the history of LeBron James than I'm pretty sure that stems from a a you all the way through I wouldn't maybe. But that's probably true title. Pretty sure are willing to bet everything that the everything everything if he suffered a forty six point loss before I don't I don't think that happened to a even a eleven year old LeBron James. I just don't it. Do you make up a good point? But granted he is a prodigy, you know. Sure. Way those forty six point look Zonta on some other kids, right? So yeah. And this is a good point in where you're looking at just how his Laker career has been going so far this kinda sums it up of how this game win in my opinion. Like, this is maybe not the best move for him. Maybe best for personally like just a living in L A and all that stuff. But as it is in a NBA perspective. This seems not be going so well for him. And also the fact that with everyone that went to the line like javale McGee Brandon Ingram, not juvenile McGee. Oh, no, no. He's not good enough to be traded. Right, right. Yeah. He Channing like what was it the actual fan? Like, you're not you're not worthy trade worthy or something of that nature. Ingram amongst. So there's were oh not worth trading McGee got a not worth trading chain, which is one of a -mongst others were chanted. Lebron we'll draw trade you which is pretty funny sort of. Catered says the overrated chant and. But would fail did step to the line? It was you're not they say you're not worth. You're not worth trade out worth trading. Or is that is probably the most hurtful one. That must be the word is that little is hurtful or LeBron will trade, which one would you rather? He not here. Yeah. It was interesting. It was very college like atmosphere in that stadium in Indian-. Indiana was having a ball. They would love in this. They were having fun because of the drama that's going on. Plus the fact that their team their team was a big halftime it continued through third quarter ends up being one thirty six ninety four and I'm not gonna lie. I don't even think it was that close like even with the score says the score says it was it. This game was over early third quarter. There was it. Yeah. I don't know how the Lakers for this. Because it seems like it's a confidence shattering type of loss. Plus the trade deadline and all the other. Stuff going on now. Did you see that play like the midway through the fourth quarter, though, it was like seven minutes and thirty seconds left where? Lance Stevenson, would you buck was like right or I forgot who maybe it was on chair. But it was going. It was right at the where the rebound is going to be in Lansing with singers jumps like across the key and tries to get the ball and knocks him down in knocks the ball out about s-. There was no one else around him. And Stevenson just tries to jump for this ball show, you the video right here. If you haven't seen it because it's worthy to look at it just sums up how the Lakers played that game. Where there's nobody around is going right to the guy's hands and lands. He was just jumps in harm's way. Tries to grab the ball runs into his own teammate and the ball goes out of bounds Wagner Magner. I couldn't tell who it was at the time. But it was one of the most like, are you kidding checked in a full plays ever seen and that just sums up how this whole game win for the Lakers. This game wasn't close and Twitter. Also had a field day with this with tons of memes of classic means just with the Braun. You know that one of the guy looking at the girl holding the other girls hand there was an entire team with the girl him holding hands and looking Anthony Davis. So I thought that was the funniest one to me it almost feels like a trade eas- happen for the Lakers because of maybe the relationships going on now in the long room because everybody's like looking over their shoulder. Maybe. Ito the whole LeBron dynamic him kind of running the running the roost. I guess you could say may may hurt the confidence of these young players. So I'm not sure it was going to have with these Lakers. They should make the playoffs. I still think they will. But yeah, this they got a tough stretch games. And we talked about it. We've talked about it lately. But they put. You know, the Celtics tomorrow night on the road. They play the seventy Sixers this weekend on the road. I mean, those are two tough games, especially now with the seventy Sixers adding vice Harris. Yeah, they can lose it XL games easy. They do play the rockets next week. They put the pelicans, they're they're they're scheduled does break up a little bit try to sneak into Davis into the Lakers locker room that game. It is interesting zip with pillow comes back to back like Weiss in one week interesting. But as it right now, the Lakers are five hundred twenty seven twenty seven and the eighth place clippers thirty in twenty five. So they got some work to do to move up. Definitely there's still even the Sacramento Kings are ahead of them at twenty twenty five. So they got some work cut out for them when it comes down to getting in the playoff picture. They did make a trade though yesterday. They traded Michaela chick for Reggie Bullock, which I. Think is a good trade. Oh, yeah. He's a good quality player that definitely helped his team. He shoots forty percent on catch and shoot threes. Which is something that the Lakers don't have a lot of. And that helps don't have threes in general. So they just need someone. They can actually shoot threes. They shot nineteen percent from three last night while the Pacers shot fifty five that's just absurd. Right. That's that's that shouldn't be thing. And Reggie book will help their yes. Tease cheap player. Like, it doesn't make a whole lot of money. So in terms of salary cap. He's a problem. But again, he's unrestricted free agent at the end of this season. So he's a short term type player term fix for them. Yet. But I guess we do need talk about the AD trade. And if it's off the table as been report, I'm very skeptical about that. What are your thoughts? Yeah. What what the rumors? I've heard about like apparently there. There was talks of eight first round picks, which I do you know that was legal. I don't think it is. In fact, can't treat more than four first round picks of that. That's a rule. So I don't know what the the deal was when it came to that idea. That was just the rumors we've heard and also just they're asking for ton that even like like to for the deal that the Lakers were offering. I understood like it was like a lot of good quality players two first round picks. Then the asks for for for Trump picks. And even I was like, okay that's a little much including the players. I'm still skeptical on what the Pilkin zest for. The only trade scenario that I'm willing to say was real was it Lakers. I offer the whole pelicans are asking counter offering way too much. I don't believe is true. Plus, the plus the there is a report that the Lakers haven't even received a counteroffer from the pelicans that they're waiting on it there's tons of rumors going back and forth right now. So we really don't even know what's going on. There's so many rumors so many leaguers offer them the trade involved. Yeah. I Trump picks we do know that the pill. I don't have to trade him. So the the the Lakers can be frustrated all they want. Magic Johnson could be frustrated all he wants. But the fact is they hold the player, and they weren't even thinking about trading him a week ago. So they don't have to trade him. So if anybody's like, oh, we'll they don't like their screwed up this deal. So what they're player. They don't have to do if I had to make an guest, I'm thinking, this is actu-. Really not gonna make it by deadline in this is going to go to the summer. It possibly could it possibly could. I it's hard. It's hard to see it actually going down with all the talk. That's been going on. I think though, actually make the trade you think before the deadline. Yeah. I think it will get done. But I I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, I'll say fifty one percent is it'll happen forty nine at won't. But I mean. The pelicans. There's no problem with them waiting. I mean, if you wait until the sever you can probably get more back, you probably could because. T Mark than Knicks a team like the Celtics. Those two teams will be able to offer. A lot this summer the nicotine vantage while you have this opportunity, the Knicks might be able to offer trae like Dennis Smith junior the first pick in the draft and Kevin Knox, for instance, Davis, which would be very attractive. They get Zaylon. He get dentist junior. Kevin knox. That's a nice start. Or Boston comes in with Jason Tatum, and Jalen Brown, and maybe a couple of first round picks that's attractive. So so take advantage of this hot like what he will k-. What are you risking? If you're like, what are you willing to give up right now? Like what how high of a price if I'm the Lakers. I'm willing to give up everybody on my roster other than LeBron James. I mean, they signed will Bron James wanna Jambi tube. They didn't sign a little Bron James to build for the future. So you know, they gotta get rid of all their young players and couple of first round picks and he'd do. It. And then you get Davis. You get with Braun than the summer. You make a third you get a third start. You get somebody like kyri get somebody like DeMarcus cousins. It makes sense. Absolutely. And looking overall like like you said the Lakers want to win. Now, they had to make this trade. But again, the cost is going to be extremely pricey. So what like day there's gotta be some sort of. What's the word? I'm looking for. There's got to be some sort of limit that you gotta like you gotta maybe pass out. Limit of what you're comfortable with giving up to win now. So that is all up to the LA Lakers, and what they wanna do. But I would not be surprised if they do not if they do not make the trade before the deadline, and they wait and see what they can get in the off season. But in the summer, it's going to be like you said this could be other teams vi- violent for Anthony Davis. But we will see how everything goes once that when we have twenty four hours before the deadline. We got we got some time to see what happens. But my you say they're going to make the trade. I say the dome balloon we'll see. Yep. Yep. I I think the Lakers are more motivated than ever to make the trade now just because. It seems like that Walker. It might be I guess dysfunctional now with what's going on everybody kind of looking over their shoulder. I mean, it's not often that a team. Has pretty much everybody in the locker room except for one guy being talked about being treated like it is weird to think like pretty much eleven or twelve players are all saleable for trade except for the one guy over there. So makes it awkward makes it interesting. But I do think that the trade for Reggie Bullock by the Lakers as a solid trade forty percent again on catch and shoot threes. That's big time. I mean, we'll brought needs that kind of player around him. He needs. It was it was funny because we saw them we saw them like mash up a bunch of random players in free agency. Rondo Beasley went Stephen singer Ville McGee you like what is this is a weird Rosser construction. And it's star hasn't worked. It hasn't been working. Sure, they have some games they win. And they look good because they will James on the team. But in terms of long-term, I mean, those are the type players that you want to surroun- LeBron with you need shooters you need players that can hit open shots as LeBron has the basketball. Not guys like Lonzo ball other guys can't really shoot. So we'll see what happens. There's actually a funding posts someone called not sportscenter. If you don't follow on Twitter each other pretty funny guys. But this is in their latest anti Davis trade offer. The Lakers have offered Lonzo ball Zuma Ingram. Rondo stevenson. Michael Beasley Kobe Bryant Todd Gurley. Mike trout way. Gretzky some guy sitting in traffic, your mom into Trump picks. Which sounds about right? Anyways. We gotta take a break. We come back. We'll talk about a record that. 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But to me, it feels like it's almost a foregone conclusion that it's gonna go down in Oakland. It's they're gonna stay in Oakland for one more year. Yeah. Possibly we. We don't know where the raiders are going to play but they won't play oracle park. I still think I think they like we played Levi stadium Levi see or the Oakland Coliseum. I don't I don't see any other place. They could possibly be to be completely honest with you. And if they do find out some find another place, I'll be completely shocked this'll be like a last minute thing. But they're cutting dire straits now finding a home because if I don't know how they're gonna have Oakland say comeback because Oakland seems pretty upset at them my Pinon, but we'll see how everything turns out. But yes has right now, they do not have a home. So we will see where the Oakland Raiders play. Or the San Francisco raiders are the Las Vegas raiders wherever you want to call them after this season. So we'll see how everything turns out, but what are the other? What's on the news today? I just want to discuss that just a Russell Westbrook. Seventh street triple double yesterday ties, Michael Jordan. Okay. That makes sense triple double way from the record for interro yet. Okay. I was like I'm pretty sure it's like a million of those great. Yeah. He's kind of Mr. triple double. When you think about it like when you think triple doubles, it's usually him, and that's also pretty good for him as well. And also looking into other news like. The well this I don't know about this one. But it's just baseball baseball rules that have been happening. If you wanna talk about 'em, the changes the baseball rules or maybe some options, but they're talking about a universal designated hitter. So the naturally will get a designated hitter. Do you think what do you think of just having one league as it has eight here? What were your thoughts on the first place like that's just been known for so long? But I was always kind of questioning why it was only for one league in the first place. Yeah. It is kind of silly my opinion of. I've just a person who believes that there shouldn't be designated hitter. You think patriot should rake? Yeah. I think pitcher should hit because they're on the field. Like, I don't I don't know. It's weird to me that there's a specialist that just hits doesn't play the rest of the game. My theory is like maybe a guy would try to throw add a pitcher in or try to injure him in situations to keep him from pitching. I'm just thinking of random. Theories that could possibly be the reason. But maybe get more players that morning. The reason why the they have a D H because there's it's more exciting. There's more runs right? Like, they don't want a pitcher going up with the bases loaded and striking out everything. Well, the thing is pitchers have any home runs recently. For the most part difference between A D H in pitcher is significant in terms of hitting the ball Ray. Absolutely. And we'll ones like you said designated hitter. Just it's not too many pitchers actually can hit the ball. Well, I mean, even the best ones to have them practice. Yeah. But it's also different skill. You know, of course, so I don't know if the best pitchers in the world, if they practice if they could even do it at like, a major league level, you know, like hitting wise, they they just this might be it. But they're also also time a pitcher Claude could make him the game go faster because they're still there. Average gametime is over three hours, and that's a incredibly longtime. We see the pitcher clock. I've seen it firsthand. Minor league baseball. Did you like it? It's interesting speeds up the game for sure. But did it did it do you think put an impact on the game itself to you? Did you notice any though, but it makes sense of the minor league level too? Because the games you don't want extremely long early baseball games. You want him short? Sweet. There's supposedly going to do all his training as well. And we also know that that's I believe pitchers and catchers are reporting next week from not mistaken. So that's very interesting. And because we still don't know anything about free the big free agent in the market. But if you want to hear more about that we're gonna be talking about that during our baseball podcast later today. So tune into that. But Harper still out there, they have not sign's been very I wish we had like day counter it's been one hundred and some odd days since they've signed that they've been free agents. But it's one of these moments where it just like make up your mind already. Like, it's getting crazy. It's getting too much. Now, it's it's almost getting to a point where it's like, no one. Cares where they signed anymore. Yeah. I don't really know. And apparently from for Harper. I mean, there's a supposing mystery teams bidding on him now. So legitimately. We have no idea where he's gonna go. And was like a conclusion is going to the Phillies or maybe back to the nationals or something of something. Maybe in the White Sox who knew but now he just honestly have no clue. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see they're going back to the DA. Not. No, I feel like if you're on the field. If you're in the lineup you have to play in the field. So it is weird. It's always fair. And actually in other news, football wise, Nick foles has hopped out of his contract. He has he's going to pay the two million dollars to not. The contracting further chump change by what he's gonna get signed in the offseason most likely, well, he'll get at least twenty five million because that's franchise tag. Which we I don't would you waste franchise tag on a backup quarterback in theory. More than a backup quarterback. I get that. They would do it to trade them. They wouldn't not franchising him to keep them. Right. But what do you have the money to be honest with you like they really don't have the lowest caps. They have the most in debt they're going to or going in the negative to do to franchise him. Which means they're gonna have to make a number of moves to get in the green. And when they do that. Then at that point, they'll probably trade him for draft picks. They just don't want to lose value, which I understand, but they're in a tough spot. Yes. And like you said they're the lowest when it comes to in debt when it comes to the salary cap. I believe they're like in the twenty millions in the red. If I'm not mistaken last time, I checked the least and with that. It's a serious concern of like Willett. Even like, that's your you can't really do anything for agency regardless because of your cap spaces. You're in the red. You can't do anything. You're stuck. And the question is like, and then you're getting the old fans concerns of oh, oh, she keep full. He's the winning guy. Get rid of wins in the gig. You're in a urine tight on you're in a rock and a heart place, in my opinion when it comes down to it. But obviously you're gonna go Wednesday already said either going with Wentz. But the question is are you gonna let him walk or keep him and waste put a franchise tag on them. And they look to trade him. There's there's a lot of different options when it comes down to it. And I wanna say I think there's too many options in overall like they sound like an easy choice. It's one of the ones going to be the right choice once on choice, but you're gonna have doubters predicting that either way. Yes. Last time, I did check their twelve point one million dollars below the cap, so that's incredibly bad. And that is the lowest the only ones in the red as well are the Jaguars at three point three. But right now, minus twelve is twelve million dollars in the red is insane incredibly in the NFL. So definitely things to consider. And then if they franchise tag on like, you said that's twenty five million. The makes it I'm assuming that makes the cap space worse in theory now. Uh-huh. So they're going to be even more in the red. If they franchise tag him. But again, that's all up to the what the eagles decide. So honestly, this my like we've seen one Super Bowl for the eagles. I think that's gonna be it for the time being in the in the foreseeable future. My opinion. Yep. Definitely. Yeah. I wonder what the market will be to be honest. But. I'm sure they'll get a couple of second round picks for foles. Yeah. I I don't see anything more than a second round pick in my opinion. Well, galax myth got traded for two cigarette. Picks. I think fulls has more upside than Alex Smith had when he got traded for two cigarette. Picks. Fulls also still relatively young. But are you like the Panthers over that since canons out for most likely the whole I don't do from the Panthers? No, I'm destroying out name sometime. Jacksonville, New York. Denver hills Jackson's gonna go for a quarterback in the draft. Maybe so we don't really know that we don't know any would anyway is gonna do honestly. Well, it supposedly there's two top ten teams that are in low with Haskins the will house take Iraq in that very well might be them. That was my assumption. When I heard that news, but like it could be the Buffalo Bills. It could be the Miami Dolphins bills as signed Josh L draft to Josh Allen in the first round. So they won't be going for Nick foles while I was saying more along the lines of just has a backup because Josh John's been in the lineup with an injury. So they might have to have a guy that can take over the rings while he's shocked and do you don't give up those high picks for backup quarterback now. Team Denver Jacksonville. Those got to be too right away. They just signed case keenum themselves. So they get out of that for nine million dollars to pay him the rest of his money. Yeah. That's a much more likely scenario though than than buffalo because you gotta I Trump pick. You just spent I I'm just saying out the fact that Alan is just still lingering from that injury this season. So we finished the year. Right. Yeah. But again, the he seems to be he's he was in the whole season. So. And again that line he's gonna get tackled a lot more. So that I believe it was a hip if I'm not mistaken that hit get banged up little bit more than usual. Yeah. If that were to happen. I think in general manager loses. But we'll see we'll see what happens a lot of weird things happened in the NFL. Well, yeah, there's like they're Cincinnati with their new head coach of quarterbacks coach, maybe he'll over Nick foles could be a place. Yes. There's still a lot of options for them. I'm sure I mean, Washington has got to be an obvious place to. So if they franchise tag, we'll give you the raiders maybe the raiders that ones that one's a Jon Gruden has liked veteran quarterbacks before he's preferred them over young quarterbacks in his past. He's had more success with them and his past. Maybe the raiders offer a second round pick. Maybe they don't have one this year. This is all assumption that the eagles will franchise the raiders offer them last first round pick franchise tag. I don't think they're trading in the same division with the Redskins. So that would hurt the Redskins chances of aching foles. But again this off season is going to be very interesting. I believe all this can go down by the NFL ury if I'm not mistaken. This is when everything's gonna go haywire. All the move is going to be made. So we'll see how that happens at the end of it. But right, now only know his foles has opted out of his contract. He can either be a free agent or they could franchise tag. And. Now the ball is in the Philadelphia Eagles court. That is true. That is true. Also. Did you hear a story about a mountain lion? Who attacked a runner? I did not hear this a outline tech runner in Colorado. I believe it was and the runner strangled the melt line to death. That's awesome. Yeah. So. It is a scenario that sometimes runners can get themselves into just because of special ultra marathon ran into the UFC. Yet that that was pretty interesting pretty wild. Other than that. I think that's choke out and kill a lion by choking him. Yeah. He choked. I'm pretty sure he can probably face a UFC fire. Possibly being a line is more dangerous than a UFC fighter. Well, maybe not. I'm not sure. But that seems to me that that's a pretty bad ass thing to do. Probably get a shot in the UFC. Yeah. That should be our show anything else you wanna remark. That's it. All right. Thanks for joining us everyone. 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25 hours before the 2019 NBA trade deadline

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25 hours before the 2019 NBA trade deadline

"Hello and welcome to the hoop collective podcast. I don't know if this isn't a -mergency podcast. What's what's he between normal podcasts urgency podcast? Hurry podcast. I I don't know and orange level podcast is that work. Orange orange podcast. I think yell Huck. Good yellow. This is yellow podcast. That's Bobby parks. You hear your hearing? Up front office 'insider, we're gonna spend a few minutes talking about this Tobias Harris deal, but it's it's finalized. Now it trade. Call went through and everything Bobby four draft picks. Two firsts and two seconds four picks for a guy who's contract is up to three months. This mean this deal came out of nowhere. What's your viewpoint on this one? I think I think the clippers got more back than with Timberlake did for Jimmy Butler for Tobias Harris on an expiring for three or four months. It brought back terrible memories. From when we traded a first round pick for journal walls, and then had overpay them because we had no choice. You lose the leverage game there. Oh, you don't. As point guard for the go ahead. Yeah. And it's and it's not CJ McCollum Lillard goes to the bench. So, but yeah, I mean, it's it. Hey, fulfil healthy at the it's a push your chips in the middle. Basically, you've moved most of your assets that Miami pick is that crown jewel because that team to being a lottery now you have bought ler into biased you're going to have to probably pay both guys max money this summer. If that's what you're you're intent is to keep them. And and now you have to be happy with this is your core for money. Bobby max money for five years. Don't you think? Yeah. Yes. Mac money because there will be a team out there that will pay Tobias Harris max money. And so this is this is an expensive group, but they are kind of I guess they aren't a win now mode in for the clippers. I think it it makes sense. It's like, you know, you're basically like what you're realistic expectations here at this group. They're eight see that's fighting and try to get into the playoff. You get to first round picks that you can keep. Her us down the road. You don't have to worry about the Tobias Harris cap hold or if you wanna bring him back, and it gives you a lot of flexibility for this summer. So I would argue that almost might do three I Trump fix because this is a tank style trade. And now, I wonder you know, you could argue about whether to biases their best player every night because there's certain nights when gallant going has big games. Lou Williams wins them games. But he's certainly if he's not one he's won a and there's possibility they could make another trade before the deadline. I think it's this increases their chances of being in in missing the playoffs. And if they missed the playoffs they keep their draft pick. So it's almost like it is picks up a third pick for them and Bobby. What do you think the possibility is hear of them entering the Anthony Davis sweepstakes? Now, they have to extra first round fix. They just acquired they potentially have their own pick. If falls in the lottery, and it would be a lottery pick. Plus, they have some decent young assets. Shakeel L exander. He told me if I'm wrong, I think now with his trade they can now beat any Los Angeles Lakers offer for Anthony Davis. And by the way, the quote unquote lists that Anthony Davis just gay. Gave to the pelicans included the clippers in my off base here. No, you're not. I mean when let's came out earlier in the week. It was we all thought like it was besides the Lakers. How realistic was because it was before this trade. It was Milwaukee. We knew that, you know, besides Jaanus. There was little value there because those guys on expiring in New York, we had to wait until the lottery to figure out so yeah, I mean now is the clippers something they didn't have before the week started to one potential lottery pick and a an another first round pick to us trade. You've got salary cap space as a buffer in case, you need to take back money, you know, in in the summer or even now, and you've got all these expiring contracts right now. So yeah, I think it's Brian. I think it'll be a lot of it would depend on how how they look shake eulogise Alexander the for the clippers and do they deem him. I won't say untouchable because there's only a handful of guys there. But. How much did they see him as part of the future? But if you're if you're Angeles, and you get a call where we're looking for those two I on picks Goethe's house hander, and basically just trying to get the money to work. I think you you think about that really hard there. Yeah. Especially since. You know, in theory, at least Anthony Davis would his dial us a little bit more to the clippers because he theory would stay let me ask you about the seventy Sixers. They have essentially given away their closet of assets in Jimmy in the Jimmy Butler trade, and now in this trade, they have a pretty formidable starting five now with Embiid until by Sarah in the front court JJ Radic Jimmy Butler on the wing, and obviously Ben Simmons. It's the point guard. That's short of the warriors. It's arguably the best starting five in the league. Even though it's going to be expensive to them. They're going pretty much all in here if they're going all in and ditching all of their assets. Anyway, is now the time to trade Marquel, Fulton, Bobby, I agree. I mean that you're you're you're one ear that is probably your loan asset that you have left outside of your big your big core. And you know, I think the waiting game from. Marquel votes is about close to being over here. So you know, and you lose Brian you moose them depth care. I mean, we didn't even bring up Landry Shamet who's played. Well, really well in Philadelphia now is going to now is going to the clippers. And so your you're debt is is the pleaded outside of Foltz you're going to have to hopefully strike gold again in the bio market like he did with Ilias Sovan L E last year. Maybe west Matthews players like that become available. But yeah. To get better or to improve your depth. You know, this kinda kinda loan man on the island. Yeah. This is this is kind of what they want their team to be do you see when you look at them compared to Toronto Milwaukee Boston. I mean, do you think that? They've been playing well lately, they got beat by Toronto at home us night. But they had a pretty successful west coast trip. I mean, where do you look at them? Now in that ranking of those those sort of top teams in the east, I think they're closer to probably I think they take a little bit of a jump ahead of Toronto right now. Because I think I think Tobias Harris a heck of a player. I I really do. I, you know, maybe people don't remember just because he's out in the west and those games are late, but he is an under the radar player here. And it gives them it just gives him another scoring option down down the stretch. I mean, you've got you know, five scores out there. I mean there many teams that can put you know. I know Ben certainly his deficiencies and stuff, but you know, playmate standpoint, but yeah, I mean, I think they're ahead of Boston. I think they're head of Toronto by a little bit here. Are they have they narrowed the gap on the walkie? I think so, but yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of just keeping this group healthy, I mean. Because one of one of these guys go down. It's kinda like who's waiting in the wings to kind of, you know, come up here. Hey, folks, we have a big favorite ask. And we promise we'll take too much of your time. Our show is supported by some fantastic sponsors. And we'd love to hear your feedback about them. So if you wouldn't mind could you head over to hide Kesslers dot com and fill out a short anonymous survey, that's it. We swear again is podcast listeners dot com. Thanks. We appreciate and any opportunity. Right. And Brian win. Click please do that thing. So we've seen to pre- pretty significant trades this week porzingas was traded for. The Knicks got significant salary cap relief. They got off to bed contracts. They got two first round picks, and they got Dennis Smith who's a year removed from being top ten pick. It's almost like three first round picks all poisoning, a pretty good hall, the clippers get four draft picks for Tobias Harris, whose you know, we're coming off as C L Tobias Harris a rental player who's coming. Who is you know, sub all star level. You could argue that he was an all star stuff snub. But he's not an all star player for draft picks. When you look at the price of poker here, Bobby what's what's costing to acquire talented players in my viewpoint. It kind of makes it clear why the Lakers aren't getting any traction with their offer. Anthony Davis, you think about porzingus until buys Harris quality players for has been an all star. But the at the top five arguable player in the league right now with this is the price of talent this moment. Aren't we seeing that? You know, the the scale that you have to give the pelicans for Anthony Davis is pretty damn high. Why the Lakers can't really get out of the batter's box while you're right? And I think we it funny Brian before the porzingas trade there were not many picks our road, you know, by teams here. It was only really a handful of Milwaukee had a couple of our outstanding Miami had that one. There are a few there. Now of a sudden we've seen within the past week three picks that our future own. And I think it I think if you're New Orleans, and I think from what I've heard the hate the bring back that memories that they're looking at in Brooklyn deal from two thousand thirteen as a baseline as far as what they want back as far as, you know, at least from a draft pick standpoint where you're giving up three I and the right to swap their, and and that's kinda where they've set their they set the bar, and if the Lakers are not willing to go to that, then they'll wait until the summer and figure out, you know, who's the next, you know, who's next bidder in here. I also think it's important to realize that the Lakers offer in theory won't won't necessarily change between now in June. Now, the Lakers may say that it will the Lakers may posture and say the best offer ever getting from us is right now. But it's like guys who they would want to become free agents are gonna get traded. Elsewhere Lakers are probably going to have the same players to to deal with in June's. And it's it's likely or possible, maybe not likely but possible that the offers will only get better once the draft order is settled. So Bobby knowing seeing what you're seeing here with with this movement. I feel like we're gonna have a pretty active trade deadline. I think we're gonna see seven to ten deals between the time record this five cast in a mall, maybe more 'cause you're gonna have some maybe small deals where you know, teams are just making luxury tax deals pay paying to get rid of their fourteenth player, or whatever I think we're going to have some significant d I don't know if we're going to see a lot more stars move. Conley assault. Maybe. But what's your feelings to where things are now that you've seen the action the last few days, I agree with you. I think we're gonna see more deal that will impact a core less that, you know, we'll certainly financial deals. You know, the the deals were taking back taking back players for cash. I think we'll be overshadowed here. I think if you're looking at teams. We talked by colleague a soul. I think one of them will be moved. I think sold the guy in any look at Garrick temple and Jerry, Michael Green. Justin holiday from there. I think you have to look at teams that were baby buyers that are possibly sellers now with Trevor reason more keep Moore's in in Washington, the two players outside AD in New Orleans. I mean, Nicole miratec and Jewish Rando. They are pushing both those players pretty hard. But you know, the price right now is is a first round for both guys who are on a basic three or four months rental here. So I don't see the pelicans getting a first back for for either. One of those guys, you know, the interesting thing, Brian, I what a team about this that you know, that there's not many teams that are willing to take back cash in deals that are luxury that are a lottery team fear, and we saw Chicago kind of basically take back five and a half million in in the last couple of weeks exhaust their money and. The in one playoff team mentioned that the the thinking is that they're they're setting a bad precedent for teams that are I guess we call tanking to go into the cash business here. And really Haga was basically the only team that's raised their hand here, which Brian I don't get if I'm a team that's ten and forty and I can make a couple extra million dollars. Get a second round pick. I I don't know how you tell your own or that, you know. That's that's not a good idea. It's not against the rules. One thing. I think we'll see what the this is the last thing I'll say before we go. What thing I think that will see there's a couple of teams heavily incentivize to have to tank in the second half. The pelicans are one of them. And there's a good chance to Randall and miratec you're not going to be back next year. So you get down to the buzzer. So was willing to give you a second round pick. They may sell them for a second round pick. And the only thing I'm gonna say is watch out for Dallas. Dallas is pick is top five protected, and wherever we talk about percentages in the lottery, we all focus on what the what the percentage is to get to the number one pick Dallas doesn't have to get the number one pick. They gotta get the top five to keep their pick. And remember this year in the lottery. Don't choose teams one-two-three choose teams one two three four that's four bites at the apple if Dallas can get down to maybe the seventh worst record, which is doable. If you go into full tank mode, and you would do that by sending away Harrison Barnes, for example, just you know, getting off of his money. You know, shutting Luca Danni down with knee tendinitis, not bringing back porzingas. Do the math. And I believe it's thirty three percent chance if you of the seventh worst record. It's a thirty three percent chance you get in the top four in that lottery. And so watch out for Atlanta dumping players watch out for New Orleans dumping players watch out for Dallas dumping players, maybe for very cheap. But I'm not saying that these are going to be changed the face of the league type deals, but there could be a team or two that's trolling out there. And I mean, like trolling like, you know, in the like for fish sense, not in the trolling, you know, in the internet sense who picks up a really nice player here for pennies on the dollar just because you got some teams that are really wanted to sell near three o'clock tomorrow, and Brian I think we I think we should take a, you know, a look at two. What's going to be active at after the buyout market? Brian is going to be active. I mean, there's ten to sixteen teams that have roster spots and guys like NS Kanner and Jabari Parker Zach Randolph Wes Matthews possibly that. Teams. Can't move. They're all going to be out of Golden State. Yeah. Robin move for Golden State and Oklahoma City to to to be out and go out and sign on the cheap. Hey, guys as of this recording twenty five hours from the trade deadline. Do you have over under six and a half transactions before the deadline passes over I'm strong? Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, I'm I wouldn't even I wouldn't even gone over. If you gave me ten and I am over. Yeah. I just remember. 'cause there's going to be like, you know, the Celtics might give somebody money to take a player to reduce their tax Bill. You know, the the Cavs are going to take money from somebody maybe even to deal. So I we may have sixty ELLs by by daybreak tomorrow morning. Yep. Okay. Thanks, listen to this little collective, yellow scale podcast. We have an orange level podcast. We have a red level podcast. We will have a podcast tomorrow after it's all said and done so special guests, thanks for listening. Enjoy the Trade Desk. One hundred years of hard work can take you far. And no one knows that better than Goodyear in nineteen eighteen we started the Akron wing foots basketball team released them up and took him to court and we've been outperforming the rest ever since. Goodyear, proudly celebrates our one hundred anniversary in basketball and relentless dedication to being unstoppable. Goodyear. More driven.

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Wes Wilcox on Houston Rockets, Boston Celtics, Anthony Davis, LeBron James, and the Lottery

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Wes Wilcox on Houston Rockets, Boston Celtics, Anthony Davis, LeBron James, and the Lottery

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Who's got the biggest consequences for losing when they did especially focused on the Celtics and rockets the Sixers the teams that all just got knocked out in the second round who all certainly had conference finals if not finals aspirations and touch on a few of the other teams as well. But I feel like those are the teams that go into this off season just have some big decisions to make. Some huge free agency decisions that Ravi see not just in their hands. But always consequences for India teams when they're falling short and west was great on all of that before we get to the interview, of course, just one awake. Make my weekly plug weekly plea-, please subscribe. If you haven't already you can find us on apple podcast on Stitcher on Spotify on a bunch of other podcasts platforms, and if you were on apple podcasts, please give us a rating and a review helps out the show a lot. And I'm reading those reviews. So if you have questions complaints criticisms anything hit me there hit me on Twitter at Howard Beck. And with that. Here's my interview with Wes Wilcox now. Joined once again by friend of the pod, he's a repeat appear on the pod. He needs a badge a button a bumper sticker something because he's been so good to the. Program. Former hawks GM Wes Wilcox west welcome back. Thank you. I still all you some kind of full forty eight swag as soon as we invent some. Thanks for having me. It's good to be back. Appreciate it. So I wanted to talk to you about mostly where we are in this postseason and the teams that we are pouring went out for because they're gone, and they have things to deal with you as a as a somebody with a letter front office experience, I want to plug into that that GM brain of yours. But before we get to that breaking news this morning before I came in to record the Cleveland Cavaliers have a new coach, and you're pretty familiar with Mr. beeline. Whoa. What's your impression of the higher because it kind of came out of the blue? Yeah. No, definitely came out of the blue another. Whoa. Damn this morning wheel. We'll up to but I'm a huge John beeline fan is a basketball coach, you know, fascinating that he's never been assistant coach at any level and had success at every level. Certainly, I think it's unexpected. Because you think it's a young calves team, you know, with the exception of Kevin love, but a young calves team that you would think would go the developmental coach path like Br. Brown or Kenny Atkinson, but you peel back, and you think about the development of be line with his players at specific most recently, of course, Michigan the success. They've had he'll he'll garner immediately immediate respect, you know. I would like go into his basketball practices is like going to basketball church. I mean, he just incredible teacher incredible coach. And so, you know, I it certainly out of the blue. But when you start to peel it all back, it makes a lot of sense basketball church. How there's like a reverence, you know, you just felt like you're in an environment. That was very calm highly experienced. He was so good at it. You almost felt like there was some higher power. And he he truly were the my favorite practices, and you know, one of the most unique things about his coaching style is his terminology. He doesn't he doesn't call a backpack a backpack or middle pick. Enroll the middle pick and roll. He's got like these crazy names like frog and banana, and he lets his players like name all the actions. And I it's one of the more interesting things to see and watch. And when we would actually interview the Michigan players in the draft process. We'd always laugh about what they would call their players or what they would call their actions. So he's just he's just got a great way about him. I'm a huge huge beeline fan and without question. My favorite my favorite practices to watch win on the college scouting trail. So the one thing I I wonder about the west is what this says about their direction. I mean, can you try to mind read for minute? What Koby Altman is thinking here or maybe ten Gilbert is thinking what the organization's thinking. They've got a team that is still kind of packed with a lot of like mid career veterans, and while the rest of us think like, oh, well, they're going to go. They're gonna go young. It's rebuilding. They didn't do that in the first year without LeBron hard to know what they're going to do next. They've got Colin Sexton and another high pick coming pending tomorrow night's lottery and then the draft, but as of right now, this doesn't feel like necessarily young rebuilding team that you get like college coach who's great a great teacher. Like does this telegraph that they're going to tear down and go full on rebuild with young players? Is that a fair read? No. I mean, we go back to the beating of this season. You know, they started the year by saying that they were going to compete, and then quickly realized that it wasn't gonna work and Coby was smart for making the adjustments. He made. And of course, they had to deal with you know, the. Injured. Kevin love they've been very I think open about the fact that they expect to compete or starting to compete again this year, and and I also like what they've done with their books. They're one of the teams that has said we will take money into this coming season. This was last year last trade deadline together together, assets and draft picks. And so they're probably another tough year of this. But that gives them a year to kind of get grounded under coach beeline, and then look to twenty twenty and twenty twenty one to to be competitive again. It'll be interesting, you know, obviously, the feeling about college coaches making the leap to the NBA. I think has evolved over the last several years with the success of Brad Stevens, especially in certainly Billy Donovan's done done a more than fine job in Oklahoma despite some of their disappointments. So yeah, I feel like it makes us of a ripple now than it. Once did when people really wondered if if guys could make that leap thinking has changed. It can be a little frustrating, especially if you're in our. Are running late divined yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train. And if the signals are going, and the trains, not even there yet, you can feel a bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks. While don't ever trains are often going a lot faster than you, expect them to be and they can't stop even if the engineer hits the brakes right away. It can take a train over a mile to stop by that time. What used to be your car is just a crush hunk of metal? And what used to be you? Well, better not to think about that. The point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive the train can't stop, even if it sees you. The result is disaster. If the signals are on the train is on its way, and you just need to remember one thing stop trains can't it can be a little frustrating, especially if you're in a hurry are running late divined yourself at a railway crossing waiting for a train. And if the signals are going, and the trains, not even there yet, you can feel a bit tempted to try and sneak across the tracks. Well, don't ever trains are often going a lot faster than you expect them to be and they can't stop even if the engineer hits the brakes, right? Away. It can take a train over a mile to stop by that time. What used to be your car is just a crush hunk of metal? And what used to be you? Well, better not to think about that. The point is you can't know how quickly the train will arrive the train can stop even if it sees you. The result is disaster. If the signals are on the train is on its way, and you just need to remember one thing. Stop trains can't tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses at incredible prices visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash PR that Z E N N, I dot com slash. Rush biard. Lottery week do all the teams that didn't make the playoffs. Their fate going with the lottery balls Tuesday night. We have a bunch of teams twelve teams now out of the playoffs. And of course in the NBA playoffs. Do you never just lose? There are consequences depending on the team. And when you went out, and so I wanna talk about a few of those with you. And listen, I ruled out certain teams that I think not as interesting the consequences for them or the stakes weren't as high. So I'm going to push them to the site. Denver nuggets. Incredible breakthrough season weren't even in the playoffs last year. Yes, they're out a little bit early. But no consequences for the Denver Nuggets. They're young they're growing just happy to be here. Brooklyn nets LA clippers great seasons free agency looms for them. But it's all just gravy for them the way they got into the playoffs, despite their circumstances Orlando, Indiana, these are teams that are just kind of moving forward. And if you feel like are kinda stuck in the mud Utah, Detroit San Antonio there. Rauscher's are pretty well set. Set. I don't think they're any major consequences or massive decisions looming. But then there there are four teams west that to me the playoffs. And losing when they did losing it all in a couple of cases, I think have have great applications for their future. And that's Boston Houston, Oklahoma City and Philly. These are all teams that there are consequences for losing when they did maybe even crisis in a couple of cases and major free agency decisions. So be before before we get to my hyperbolic framing of crisis teams consequences. Is there anybody that I limited from this discussion that you actually think is really interesting heading into the off season you frame it. Well, the the clippers in Brooklyn are going to be fascinating this off season as as we've all kind of talked about I think we've talked about together on this podcast Denver as a great future. You know, their path is pretty clear, Indiana as well. Orlando's one of the team that's in one of the more difficult. Physicians just because they're kind of stuck there in the middle. And it's it's hard to imagine. How they get a lot better than what they currently are. And then yeah. The next group Utah Detroit, sending Tonio Utah in San Antonio are are in good positions going forward. So San Antonio has some decisions to make. But they've just continued to show that they're great organization Detroit is a little bit like Orlando in that their future is really complicated. You know, it's it's hard because the a team like that is locked in similar to Orlando. And you say you wanna make the playoffs wanna make the playoffs. You get there. You lose four zero or you lose four one. And you're like, okay. What's our future looked like? And you start looking a year or two ahead. So I think those teams you could have interesting conversations with, but in general, I think you framed it. Well, with the exception of crisis up top crisis may be opportunity for a lot of these teams. And a lot of these teams, we we, you know, we we kinda define them as crisis because they had great expectation which typically that expectation is a result of really good. Basketball management a great team building. And that's just you know, that's just part of being in the NBA. So I threw four teams in my my crisis pool only because I think of partially because of free agency decisions partially because of expectations and it Oklahoma city's case, let's let's hit them first. And then we'll we'll hit the rest because I think the thunder, maybe a shorter discussion. But the reason is through the thunder in there, and they're the only first round in out team that I threw in there. It's because of this was they have to top whatever top ten top fifteen wherever you wanna put Russ and Paul George, and they are absolutely maxed out in terms of payroll and attacks team and feel like they are stuck and this now three straight first round exits. And you know, while these other teams that we're going to discuss have some flexibility or some cap room or some think some runway I just I the thunder to me you're not supposed to be a first round and our team when you have. Two top ten to top fifteen players. So you looking at the thunder's books looking at who they have is there any way to really move the needle to push that team forward. So it you against the well three straight playoff exits and a huge payroll as a repeater tax payer, and I think next year with nine players, and including their first they got one hundred and forty seven million dollars committed on one hundred and thirty two million dollars projected cap which would be like a forty forty four forty five million dollar tax Bill on those ten players for next season. So so when you start looking at okay, so how do we what are the options to improve one is to just kind of keep it together. Right. Maybe Wade out changes potentially and Golden State, maybe Wade out another year of Chris Paul. And so, but then you have the emerging teams like Portland in Denver that are coming up from behind you. So there's an argument to just. Together and continue to build as they have. Then there's you know, there's the second path would be okay. How do we shake up the roster without touching our core? You know, our absolute two top ten players, which would be the most likely candidate would be Dennis shooter. He's starting level backup point guard for them. And you know, the that would have value in a in a unique point guard market the summer with a lot of teams needing starting starting level point guards. And then there's a little payroll flexibility potentially to be had and trying to find a way to move Patrick Patterson's player option that he's likely or maybe already has opted into. Okay. So opted into so that's your your second path is like Schreuder plus payroll flexibility, and then the third bath would be okay. You know, do we consider a major shakeup in trading, Paul, George or Russell Westbrook. I I don't think that would be the you know, what we've seen from San Prestia, historically, especially when you pull back, you know, this year, they belt dealt with some injuries with the shoulder for Paul, George, and you know, and Andre Roberson 's kinda knee get him back. And there was a stretch there after the all star break where where this team was shooting the ball. Great and was fantastic. And we all know when they don't shoot a great. They're not very good. So you would think that they would prioritize adding some shooting this off season and looking at those three pass, my gut is they just try to keep it together. Maybe do a little tinkering on the payroll to relieve some payroll pressure as shooting get healthy and bring it back for another run. And see if you know, see what happens. With the other contending teams this offseason. Yeah. I suspect. That's probably what will happen only because it's the it's just the most viable pass everything else. Feels either really tough or really extreme it seems like the right move. And maybe you know, I we discussed this on the pod a few weeks back. But I mean, just maybe Westbrook evolves. Maybe he's at a point in his career where he kind of recalibrate s-, maybe that helps and maybe just he and Paul George being healthy is enough. But I do feel like with as tough as the west remains and teams as you've noted some younger teams that are already getting stronger. I just wonder you know, if you're ever going to get past the first round, do you have enough there isn't enough just to sit tight at a couple of shooters. And then give it another shot. I just I don't know. I that's I feel like the question for them. All right. So onto the three teams that we just saw knocked out in the conference finals among Boston, Houston and Philly who fascinates you. The most fascinating for different reasons. Maybe the the least fascinating of them is Houston because you start looking at what their options are going into next year. You know, they have their starting five under contract. It's about you know, it's a round one hundred and fifteen million dollars for those five players in Chris Paul Hart, and Eric Gordon PJ Tucker, and then Clint cappella, and you know, they got some some big decisions to make and how they how they add to this team, you know, and how expensive they are going to get. But but Houston's probably the one that that you say man that team's going to be really good again. They just got to find a way to fill on their bench create more depth trying to get a little bit of help for some of their best players, and you know, with the big caveat being like, what's Chris Paul in the look like next year a year older trying to get through another season. So Houston still has some decisions to make a bunch of decisions and make this off season. But there are more and his group is they've done it every year and. So they'll do it again. And to have your starting group sent set going into the off season. You know, that gives you a lot of confidence that you're going to be really good once again, I can see that west. I can see that you know. And it's you know, outside of Chris Paul. It's still a group that has mileage left on it. Right. Like, you're not worried about like this team's going to fall off a cliff. But I do think you have to worry a little bit about whether Chris pulse. Gonna fall out for cliff. He just turned thirty four he's making thirty eight point five million next season. And then forty one after that and forty four million just staggering to read forty four point two million and twenty twenty one twenty two at age thirty six oh my God. So they just they don't have flexibility. Chris Paul is showing some erosion and granted he's never been a big, you know, leaper he's not a guy who relies on quickness an explosion at this stage of his career. I feel like he can he his game can age. Well, but he also ends up playing fewer minutes. He you know, every year he's lost for a month. Or so to a hamstring. I can't imagine and Tillman for Tita. Their new owners still newish owner was very vocal very passionate after the game telling reporters that basically this is unacceptable. We're not we're not we're not settling for this again. And. I don't I don't know what he meant by that. I don't think Darryl more your mic dantonio getting fired. I don't I don't think there's going to be some interest shakeup there. But I I don't know where they go from here. I mean, listen you, and I both know Daryl's aggressive as they come. And he's very creative too. Is there something else they can do here? Do they need to do something else? Or do they sit back and say, you know, what we'll we'll let we'll just sit back and wait for Kevin Durant to go play for the Knicks. If that happens, and we're back in business, the second the warriors aren't the words anymore. We're goods ago is that is that a good enough offseason plan. I don't know if it's a good enough off season plan. But it certainly is something that everybody who is not Golden State is hoping happens. Of course, the problem being just lost to the non Kevin Durant. Golden State Warriors and game seven or I'm sorry game. Yeah. Game six at home at home. So, you know, this is just this. This is the complexity of the situation. You end up with, you know, seven almost eighty million dollars wrapped up into players. And there's no doubt Chris Paul is aging, and that you know, we saw that he wasn't quite what he was this season versus last off season. And so yeah, no fair questions. I don't think there's great answers to it. You know, you're looking at okay, great. We can use the taxpayer mid level exception. We're gonna find value on you know, on minimums like they always have they're gonna use the G league as well. As anybody else has they'll they'll probably find a way to extend their Gordon, and maybe even PJ talker. So they're going to be locked in. But, but this is kind of team that they're going to be, you know, the one player that you say, okay, maybe they could trade Clint Capella because they need more kind of perimeter shooting from their front line. But Capella is just such a unique piece. He fits perfectly with James harden in in that pick and roll and Chris Paul and that pick and roll. But I don't know that a lot of teams would want to play that way or or or have a player like Capella because he's kind of the older throwback. You know, rolling big men that we saw like with Orlando Dwight and even Tyson Chandler way back there for a while ago. So I I don't think that there's a there's a there's a great path to really shake this team up and make make a massive move or a massive improvement this off season, it's going to be around the edges, and that's just what happens when you when you end up paying these stories to these players at these ages. So the dumb exercise that we in the media often go through and fans to at times of the year. Like, this is always as soon as team with expectations while short. We're like blow it up gotta start over or deal for, you know, keep James harden and get rid of everybody else. You know, whatever we do this. Right. It's I mean, and it's the it's the fun way to go. Right. Go to the extremes. Like what what could you re imagine this team as? And of course, easier said than done in a salary cap luxury tax world of the NBA everything is more difficult than that. Even if you wanted to do it. But there's also, you know, this this counterpoint, of course, once you take the emotion out of it, and the the overreactions out of it, which is that keeping a team together and having some continuity, and just consistency. Ultimately can pay off. Right. We're seeing this right now right before arise with the Portland trailblazers for the last. I don't know how many years running it's been they're just not good enough Dame Lillard and G C J McCollum are just good enough to make them a really interesting fun team that can't get anywhere in the playoffs. And lo and behold here they are in the conference finals without a guy who at various times with either their second or third best player and use of Norwich. And even if they lose to the warriors, which everybody, I'm sure expects this is progress, and so to just apply this back to the to the rockets for the moment. I don't know that they could strip it down and. Remake it around. James harden, even if they wanted to they're certainly not trading James harden. That's preposterous. They can't trade Chris Paul because of the contract. So I don't even know where they would do it anyway, but when you're in a front office, and you've got a team that feels like it's sometimes, you know, you're not sure if you've already hit your ceiling. You know, how serious are those discussions about an how difficult is it philosophic visit team to say, you know, what we got. We got to just start all over again. We'll Houston's not going to start all over again. And you talk about the, you know, the the I don't even know what your phrasing was earlier. But our friends in the media, you know, I if Portland doesn't win yesterday, we're probably having the same conversation about Portland, they lost my second round. They're not good enough start over again. And that's just not the way the real world works inside, you know, a front office. You gotta plug away. You built your team this this Houston team is fantastic. I mean, they've been managed incredib-. Well, you know, getting Austin rivers and Kenneth in the buyout market this off season where a couple of fantastic moves, you know, going back to two last year when they had Ryan Anderson they turned him into Brandon Knight. And then move Brandon Knight to Cleveland, you know, in the large trade bring Beckham on Shepard who Shumpert who helped him a little bit and get some, you know, reduces payroll. They make a couple of moves together attacks like I that's just that's just what you have to do. So short of you know, you're not gonna trade. Chris paul. You're certainly not gonna trade James harden air Gordon's on one of the best value contracts in the NBA PJ Tucker's a player that everybody in the league would want, but probably no one more than Houston. I just think that we're we're sitting here saying, look, it's it's been a tough run. They haven't been as successful as we've all hoped or they certainly have hoped in the postseason. You know, we're going to do we're gonna we're going to bring it back. Again. We're going to retool. We're going to add depth. We're gonna find another player in free agency in value at the back end of the roster, and we're gonna we're gonna go out of the game next year. And you know, hope and pray that Kevin Durant goes east Tyree doesn't come west and Denver and Portland. Their young players don't continue to improve. I mean, that's just the reality of it. So if you're the rockets, you're still feeling pretty comfortable that James harden at age was he thirty now that this group built around him with whatever's. Left of Chris poll, you've still got a chance to win championships. Because you when you have James harden. This is the thing, you know, this is this is a guy who's top to MVP candidate. How many years running now with with one MVP to as to his claim and potentially the second one this year? Although I think you on this is probably going to get it. He's twenty nine turning thirty in August. And I think probably plenty of great years left. But you do feel that urgency when you have a player of that caliber on your roster. Right. And is this team short of the the warriors imploding, which I mean, I guess they will eventually, but do the rockets actually have championship roster. I guess is the question. I don't look at the Houston roster and think that it's a championship roster. When you're looking at you know, what the Stoorikhel champions have been, you know, with with typically three great players. But when you look at what Milwaukee has done with you on this year and a bunch of other really good complementary players. You know, you could see a path that Houston. You could win a championship. But their path to get to that points going to have to change in order for that to likely become a reality. And that's just you know, the people that they'll have to play through. So and this is where you know, sometimes we we'll talk about championships and wanted to win championships. That's you know, that's certainly important. And it's something that we understand that fans. Are you know, it's why we grew up fans right to win that championship. But there is a reality. You know, in inside a lot of these teams that you know, championship isn't the definition of success. And you just gotta plug away at being the best version of the team, you can be and it's not sexy. It's not like exciting. But it's reality. And I think that that's something that we don't we don't want to knowledge with. We don't want acknowledge that. It's okay, we're we're in such a rings with multiple Z's at the end of rings culture that it's now become somehow unacceptable to talk about a team as having anything. Less than championship aspirations. And yet I feel like for for certain markets and certain teams, it's hey, look, we're, you know, we're gonna just keep plugging away. And if if we're fortunate if to break through great, if not there's the entertainment product part of this, which is put out a great team a team that's easy to for fans to get behind that they're excited about that are fun to watch. And you know, they'll they'll get as far as they get and nobody can talk about that outwardly. You always have to say championship. You always say, oh, of course, we were before. But I feel like the reality is as a business and entertainment matter, that's the undiscussed part of the NBA that for a lot of teams in a lot of markets and certain ownership groups and everything else they get the value system isn't the same across the board. And also, they look you, and I both know there's a handful of teams that really have a chance every year. And if you don't have one of the top three or four five players in the league, you're probably not even in that conversation which rules out a lot of teams and it hard to. To take a step back and say, okay. What what are we in as a period of time for the franchise? You know, the Houston Rockets they've this looks like it's one two three four five six I can't count seven consecutive playoff appearances to conference finals appearances during that stretch a couple a number of semi final, you know, Western Conference appearances. Like, this is a great run of basketball as a Houston Rockets fan, and sometimes it's hard to appreciate just how hard that is to be that competitive in that good for for a long duration, even though you may not get over the hump and get to the finals or when a championship. But the last seven years has been a great time for rockets fans, though, they're you know, they're going to have another shot at it next year. Conceivably we could be talking at this time, and they could be in you know, in the conference finals or headed to the the NBA finals. But but this has been a great run that's been. Been disappointing deep in the playoffs for them. But they're gonna have another shot at it next year yet, it's one of the other things just to tie in this particular part of the conversation. I think we sell short the ability to have sustained excellence just giving yourself a chance every year, and you know, the the marker in this league if you're a fifty plus win team, your your good, very, very good. They've hit sixty once the last season when they hit sixty five wins but going back to twenty thirteen fourteen they go fifty four wins fifty six the weird year where they went forty one forty one before I think that was the Dwight the last white Howard year and then fifty five sixty five fifty three. So, you know, this is a team that has that's sustained excellence to your point of, you know, all these appearances in the semifinals and making a conference to conference finals appearances they have been in it. They have given their fans something to truly believe in and again you and I both know takes a little luck to breakthrough as well. I'm the is yo- Messina. And I'm joke VIN soon. We are the producers behind the H L N television documentary series unmasking killer. 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And I it's just fascinating because Elton brand who is, you know, a friend, and we have them for number of years and Atlanta, he was just an unbelievable locker room leader in mentor for our group and was absolutely celebrated in Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris trades and even like the small move of James NS for a second round pick at the deadline. And now you wake up to Twitter, and you know, the the the media sphere of the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. And it's like all brands fault and never should have made the Tobias Harris trade he didn't help enough. It's it's just fascinating. How quickly these things turn on a shot? That was just you know, he's gonna go down MBA history with the shot that quite hit last night. And who knows what happens if shot doesn't go in. And they go to the you know, they go to overtime. So this certainly disappointing loss for Philadelphia. But still, and we can talk through those a lot of things going on with this Philly team. But it's just fascinating. How thin the line is between not just a win a loss. But the perception of how you know fans media view a team will. Yes. Because it ended the way it did. Right. Like if you've got to a game for just getting to the game seven at all. And you're you're that close to the conference finals means you were good enough to be there. And you know, you know, there's a thousand things any given game that that. Turn given way that when you lose the buzzer. And yeah, it took four ounces of Leonard shot to go through the net. And if they go into overtime. Yeah. Maybe the Sixers are going to the conference finals, maybe they pull it out. And it's a different discussion. And do we all of a sudden look at their their season differently? If they lost in the conference finals instead of the of the semifinals. I mean, I don't know that that should make a difference. And this is you know, only Josh Harris, the the the principal owner of the Sixers can can decide that but for Elton brand for that front office. They did make two very bold. And I think me and mostly celebrated moves to get Butler Tobias Harris, but they gave up a lot. So as they go into the season. Let me ask you this way. I just from a competitive standpoint, just knowing what you have they starting five that J J redick's, a free agent to a starting five that to me looked as talented as any in the league is your first impulse to say as the GM of the Sixers money aside. I want. This group back. Did you did you see enough that you say I like this group they may have fallen short this time, but give them a full season together in a training camp together. This is a team that can go to the finals they've been very clear about and very open about that is their plan in you know, in conversations that they've had with people around the league as well as with the media. So certainly, yes, I believe that that their plan is gonna is going to be to retain their current group. What's fascinating about this? You know, they're starting group of Ben JJ Jimmy Tobias Joel they only played twenty one games together. And so, you know, you were talking about the value of continuity earlier in Portland, and that Philadelphia hasn't had that opportunity at and so certainly the it's not perfect. You know, JJ's thirty four going to be thirty five years old hit some point he's going to slow down. But he still has a number. Of of good years left in him. We know that skill ages gracefully. We've seen that in guys like how Korver who who have just continued to defy age and Ray Allen with just incredible play and great shooting later in their careers. But this team is I mean this starting five is only played twenty one games together. And I was looking at it this morning and the ten regular season games where they were eight and two that the group had a net rating of plus thirteen and two hundred ninety three minutes and eleven playoff games a six and five record. I think that's right. They had like a twenty four point nine net rating and hundred seventy three minutes. So you know, they didn't they didn't get it done against Toronto. But this team is this are ever specifically this starting five if you bring back you give them some time, you know, there's no question that this can be a very good team for a long time probably fairly heavy costs. Have you done the math on? So what what are they looking at if Tobias us and Jimmy Butler, both resigned to the max? So if you were to resign Jimmy Butler and Tobias to this max, they're both at thirty two point seven million dollars. Let's just say you keep Mike Scott for, you know, five million bucks and you pay James NS. The max you can pay him on the non bird, which it might be hard to keep them at one point nine. And I I would even say like throw in you know, a small. Call exception, call it, the taxpayer mid level exception or so you couple minimums, you know, next season with Joel and Benzai your Smith Jonah Bolden. You know, you're looking at one hundred thirty five million dollars on one hundred thirty two million dollar tax. So next year the payroll is manageable. It's the following year where you get the twenty twenty twenty twenty one where you add in the twenty nine million dollar twenty five percent max for Ben Simmons that you know, you end up with you know, roughly a hundred and thirty two million dollars for just four players. And I'm sorry. Five players, you know, keep in Zaire on this on Zaire Smith on the books with max contracts for Joel Ben Simmons, Jimmy Butler Tobias Harris, you know, you're you're right around one hundred hundred and thirty million bucks. So. It gets really expensive in twenty twenty twenty twenty one. But next year, you know, you're going to be manageable. And and that I number where I say one hundred and thirty five million for for next season. You know, I I include JJ Radic. Let's just say we ballpark at about twelve million dollars, which is you know, about what he made this year. So so their payrolls manageable for a year. It's really when is been Ben Simmons hits the books. That's when it gets, you know, payroll that will be very very high wouldn't the remarkable things about this is that the discussion a few months ago was and this was the buzz around the league, there's buyer's remorse in Philly there. They they they're feeling like they shouldn't have acquired Jimmy Butler. Not just what they gave up in terms of players, but just Jimmy being Jimmy just being a a handful. And the that talk has completely died down the last couple of months like he's been I feel like exactly what they needed a guy who can create especially in crunch time. Who will hit big shots who's never afraid of the moment. And who you know, Ben Simmons can't do it. Because he doesn't have a jump shot 'em bead needs somebody to get him the ball. And you know, while he has range. That's that's not his his strength is strength is still inside Jimmy can do pretty much anything from anywhere. And so I feel like the downside or the perceived downside of Jimmy Butler has gone away. I now feel like it's almost automatic like as long as he wants to be there. And I've no reason to think that he doesn't I would be stunned if they let him walk. Yeah. I mean, he he for the most part been great in the playoffs, you know, last night's hard. Could he twists the ankle down the stretch Philly really didn't execute the way they wanted to execute clearly down the stretch. But he has that. Unbelievable. Push in huge layup, you know, with under a minute play to tie, it, you know, and going back to this this cost, you know, discussion about what you pay to get, you know, some of these players now, certainly. With Jimmy Butler Tobias Harris both potentially being free agents. There's a lot of risk in in making a trade for a guy. That's you know, on what could be or is an expiring contract. However like Jimmy Butler for Dario saw Dario Saric and Robert Covington who are two good players that was a fantastic cost trade and bet that that Elton brand in Philly made. And then even when you go to Tobias Harris Landry Shamet spin was awesome for the clippers in the playoffs and the other regular season. You know, a great pick by by the seventy Sixers he sham it looks like he probably could have gone in some somewhere there in the back half of the lottery, you give up your own I in twenty twenty you give up the the big one is the Miami. I in twenty twenty one you have no idea what that's going to be that could increase in value. If Miami struggles it could decrease in value. If Miami finds a way to continue to get better. And I personally like San Antonio would never bet against the Miami Heat. 'cause. Just historically have shown a way to contend. So it's hard to the value. What that pick might be. And they got Mike Scott with Tobias who's Mike Scott is a not only just a great person. But a great fit and a player that you know, will likely be retained in Philly. So I don't think that the cost was that extreme for Tobias either. And then you know, we made mention of the small, but really impactful NS trade which was just a second round pick. You know, there's a couple of other second round picks thrown around in these transactions but on net getting Jimmy Butler getting Tobias Harris, adding Mike Scott, adding James Ennis. These were very good moves and not overly expensive. You know, understanding that these picks are hard value. So the the team lost in the playoffs in game seven they you know, down the Jimmy was terrific in the postseason. So yeah, I think it's a no brainer. You pay Jimmy what Jimmy wants Ben Simmons down? You know, how do you improve? He's gotta find a way to improve the shooter that that's a critical area of growth and development for them. Joel is an interesting one because you know, we all know his his like on off plus minus was just remarkable this off season. But it looked like down the stretch he really struggled with conditioning, and it's been talked about. I mean, we know he's battling the knee and some other and some other health stuff but getting Joel healthy and in fantastic condition. Elite condition is going to be really important for for their for their for their future. And yeah, then they just got to retain their depth and guys like Mike, Scott, James NS, and they gotta develop their young players maybe Zaire Smith, maybe twenty twenty nineteen first. The future for this. Team is bright though. It's disappointing in the short term and they have big financial decisions to make this off season. But they're in a great market. Their owners have have been very vocal about their willingness to spend Elton has said that publicly multiple times, and you don't say that stuff publicly. If you don't mean it because all of a sudden, you know, you run into a credibility issue across the NBA when you got teams like the clippers and bomber going out there who are spent on the amounts of money that they are even Oklahoma City spending what they're spending you you have to be able to you have to be willing to spend to contend or sustain your teams. And that's just that's just the reality of it. I wonder about this part of it, which is that Tobias Harris, the he was he was the last move that they made of all the the big moves, and he was playing at a kind of an all-star ish level with the clippers. I mean all star though, he was he was worth considering that he was in that discussion. He was putting up those. Of numbers. You know, a little underwhelming production-wise with Philly, but understandable, given he's playing next to and that was probably always going to be the case. And he's a guy who seems to be more of a low maintenance personality where you don't have to worry about that. But I wonder give them what they gave up including a couple of first rounders three if you count Landry Shamet himself. I both sides of it do the Sixers feel like the he's worth the investment of a m- probably a MAC salary for a guy who at least in context with your team with your with the seventy Sixers is not going to produce it amac's level he might somewhere else. But that's not what you need necessarily for him on your on your team with your the Sixers because of who is playing next to and for his part. Maybe he he wants a bigger role. Again. Maybe you know, I mean, it's it's hard to say again Tobias Harris, really good guy, like an just I think is about all the right things. But he's young in his prime minister worked as Asaf to improve every single year to build himself into a borderline all star. I wonder about the two sides of that equation about, you know, whether the MAC salary that that he might be seeking almost certainly is is it is it worth it for them to have them in the in the fourth man role. And is it worth it for him to to be there? If he feels like he could be a more impactful player somewhere else. Yes. So the question that you're posing, right? Is would you rather have Ben Simmons Jimmy Butler JJ? Joel Embiid Landry Shamet plus two I in another twenty million dollars of potential financial flexibility this season versus Ben Simmons JJ Redick. Jimmy, Butler, Tobias Harris, Joel Anthony. And tax Bill in nineteen or near tax Bill in night likely tax Bill in in nineteen twenty and definite tax Bill in twenty twenty and beyond. It's a fair question in, you know, whenever you have to pay your fourth best player, or, you know, third best player, you know, some people would value them differently. It gets hard when you have to pay that player of the max the best teams, historically, get value on the max, and the more value you can get on the max the better. And and when you start to pay, you know, thirty million dollars to a player that's going to give you about thirty million dollars in productivity, especially when at the very top of the roster, which like let's just say Charlotte, you know, having to pay potentially Kemba Walker what they have to pay Campbell to keep combat as their best player. That's really really difficult to do and be really good. But if you're Philly, it's it's more just a question of, okay. Let's say let's say Tobias worth twenty our cost is is thirty two. Let's say to Tobias might be worth twenty five in terms of value. But we gotta pay him thirty thirty two, you know, that's just that's that's flexibility in some respects. But it's more just about payroll. It's more just about what is your owner willing to spend to keep that player on your roster. And and most of these owners have the money to do that. And so you would just have to think that you're gonna say sham it, plus those two first and the twenty million dollars. Yeah. That may be better than Tobias Harris. But it also may not be better than Tobias Harris. So I absolutely understand. Why why Philly made the decision they made? And you know, it's easy to understand. Why people may question it? But that's the I mean that's the game. We're in and I it's also important to say that a lot of teams made this bet this year because they because everyone saw a path to potentially get to the NBA finals. Now, Philly came up short. We're gonna talk about Boston. Boston comes up short. So all of a sudden, we start questioning, you know, was was the price worth it. Did we? We gamble our future for the current, and and they may have, but but that's just the best. But that teams are forced to make. And you know, I I don't blame Philly. Ultimately, I think this team is going to be really good down the stretch. They got some questions or sorry. Really good into the future. They they certainly have some questions, but they have a young group of really really good players that if they're able to retain and keep together they're going to be good for a long time last thing before we move onto Boston. The fact that they did give up a very very good package to get to a Sarasin. I'm not second guessing it at at all to me a lot of sense of the time. But I think the clippers also did fantastic on that trait in terms of what they got back. That's you know, I don't want to say some cost because it's it's almost pejorative. I don't it's not sunk. This was this was a good trade for the Sixers. But to the extent that that is a cost that has already been conveyed. Is there a pressure on a front office to re-sign a guy? Because we gave up Landry Shamet bene- couple of firsts. And all this other stuff. Does it make you does it feel all that much more urgent? You think for a front office to resign him? Even if you think that long term, you know, what maybe he's not quite the best fit. We can always trade him down the line. If we need to re replenish our bench or something or we'll figure it out. Is there a pressure though to justify the deal that you made and not lose him for nothing because of all the that you gave. One hundred percent. And that's why you know, Tobias may be in a better position for a five-year max then Jimmy Butler because on net the Sixers gave up less for Jimmy Butler than they did for Tobias. So yeah, the justification of if Jimmy Butler were to leave or they were too, you know, offer before year plus some partially in in in your five guaranteed contract. You know, if Jimmy walks, you know, yeah, they're able to say, okay. We the cost was Covington for basically a year. Sorry. You know, it was it was worth the bed. You know, if you lose the twenty twenty one Miami. I let's say it does increase in value value and become a really good player. Really good pick down down the road, you know, their own I in twenty twenty that's probably just amid, you know, average, first round pick and mind your sham. It looks like he could be a long term starter in the NBA. Yeah. You had a lot of pressure to to to re. Zayn Tobias Harris. So absolutely fair point. And that's why you know Tobias is likely to get a great contract from Philly this off season. We don't need to go down to this rabbit hole. Because we're limited on time. We should get to Boston. But also just want to say before we move on from Philly. It would be insane for them to to fire Brett Brown. I think I don't know how you feel about that part of it. But it just that's even out there right now as close as they were to the conference finals and the past that they've gone from the last few years to get to this point just seems insane to me. Well, it's not it's not Browns fault that they only had their starting group for twenty one games together. Exactly. And and Brit Brown has done a fantastic job building that team. And if you're gonna make a coaching change, especially if you're going to change the level of coach that they currently have you have to know that the coach you're going to get is going to be better, or you know, the other justification is we've had a long run with the same group. And we want a new voice a little bit. Like, maybe Toronto this year with Nick nurse and Dwayne Casey who we all also agree as a fantastic coach. And they just thought that maybe the. The time was right for a new voice. But you know, short of short of that coach being out there. You know, maybe there's a couple of coaches that are that. We've known historically have been just absolutely great when they've had opportunities to to coach their teams. But certainly this is the unfair part of the NBA Brown's done a fantastic job. He deserves to get the coach that team in the future. Absolutely agree. All right. The Boston Celtics. Oh, this one is fun. So this this is really all about one guy. It's about more the one guy, but it's mostly about one guy, and that's Irving and a lot of this will go to what kyri wants right this kyri want to join Kevin Durant in New York. Kyrie one a. Oh, my God have a a reunion with LeBron James in L A, which is gaining more momentum. It feels like by the day. Brian win history on his podcast saying that that Cairo has had this discussion with people. So a lot of this will depend on what kyri himself wants. And that that good luck. Anybody trying to guess that? But it's funny the way that things ended because of just the cloud over the Celtics his play against the bucks. The perception that chemistry wasn't great. And that a lot of leads back to kyri. So then it became this. Well, should the Celtics themselves even want him back. Danny ainge. Are you still going all out to resign kyri, not even not even a second of hesitation, Wes Wilcox? No. I'm on talent to load, obviously. But but he also is the past Anthony Davis. Yes. Sin, and so absolutely. The Celtics were inconsistent throughout the course of the year. No one will argue that including you know, the Celtics people internally but without question. You wanna try to resign kyri, you resigned? Kyri? You have a real path at Anthony Davis, assuming he hasn't already been traded prior to July first, which I've heard some some rumblings about which is just hard to believe that that would happen unless you know, kyri has told Boston that he he does not plan to return. Yeah. You resign kyri? You got a great shot of Anthony Davis, and you know, next season. Could look you know vastly different than than this season. Interesting aspects of the chemistry discussion, which listen, I I don't I'm not downplaying that for a second. There clearly were some tensions between kyri and some of the younger guys. And they were clearly some just, you know, whatever hurt feelings tensions along the way things that were said if you are if he does return they're making a trade for a d. Then the chemistry changes anyway. Because some of those guys are gone. It's a whole different lineup. You've gotta made to solve it right there. I don't know if you have an opinion on this or how you view this. I've been curious about this chicken and egg thing where are you? If you could make a deal for Anthony Davis. And you knew you had that in hand, it is aunt is a trade for Anthony Davis. What will keep kyri there? Do you think or you re signing kyri with the assumption that or are you going to get to resign him with the assumption that then that allows you to make the trade for Anthony Davis, and he would stay like which one of them. I I wonder is key to keeping the other one AD being acquired with the understanding that he'll play with kyri or Kyrie resigning with the understanding that they're gonna make the deal for AD, the heart thing with this one. You didn't have to say, okay kyri who do you play with Kevin Durant and a place like New York or maybe even the clippers. It's hard to see careers a path to the clippers, but they could happen. And I mean path to the clippers because they have Shay. But like Kerry, do you wanna go play with K D or do you wanna play with Anthony Davis or do you want to pay with LeBron? So k kinda re could have his own little kind of front office path to to how can I build my championship future? Lebron in LA, you know, Kevin Durant, and maybe a couple of cities or Anthony Davis in you know, in Boston. And and may maybe maybe elsewhere. I mean, I I have a hard time to you know, getting to LeBron kyri and Anthony Davis largely because of the pieces that the Lakers would trade in order to acquire. Anthony Davis that deal just seems to be not as good as the deal may be elsewhere for New Orleans, should they decide to trade Anthony? So, but but that's that's the question. I so so so it it's a hard one to answer because we don't know what. Are- is gonna say, but if Boston were to let's just say they were to make a commitment to or try to make a commitment with New Orleans and all be contingent upon a pound Kyrenia saying, yes, so you know, Boston and New Orleans would would in theory agree to terms, they would take it to kyri. If kyri doesn't give them a thumbs up a guarantee that you're coming back. It's it's you just can't believe that Boston would make that trade, you know, with with without knowing that they have car reluctant up so pushes it into the pushes it into July. And this is what? And of course, again because of the weird CBA. Wrinkle. The Celtics can't make a deal for him until after July first anyway, right? Yep. So, but on that that last note that you hit there is it you considered a given that if kyri walks or if they're if they have been told that he's going to walk if they know in June that Kyrie's not staying does that automatically eliminate the Celtics from contention. Amid you think that that? Like like that that cuts off that entire discussion. Because you don't want to give up the since it would take to get a D. And you think that AD may not want to stay without kyri? Like, it's just end the whole that of that whole eighty discussion. I would think it does. Because you know, I we know what what you know, what goes into these superstar trades, you know, financial flexibility young players and draft picks. And you know, maybe more than ever before we've seen teams prioritise like competitive rebuilds, you know, like Brooklyn was forced into this. And the the clippers have have certainly done this on the fly as good as anybody we've ever seen and Boston has been able to, you know, build rebuild competitively on the backs of you know, the Brooklyn picks. So this is been the highest level of transition for a franchise. And I would bet that. That's what you're going to see, you know, be the priority in New Orleans. Not just hit the absolute bottom, especially with you know, some of these you know, upcoming drafts. The McDonald's all star game was high school all star game was just a couple of weeks ago. I was just up in well here in Atlanta. I went to a Nike E Y relevant to try to get a chance to see some of these twenty twenty and twenty twenty one young players. And there just doesn't seem to be like the the next LeBron clearly out there in twenty twenty or and maybe twenty twenty one there might be a couple of players that could be, you know, transformational, but the priority shifted to find a way to be competitive in your rebuild. And so if Hayward was better, and you had Horford, then you might be able to say Anthony Davis, Al Horford, Gordon Hayward trade are young pieces. You know, we're going to be the best team in the east even giving up all these young pieces. Without having Kyrie. But that just you know, doesn't seem to be a realistic path towards contention. And you know, one thing we know about the Boston Celtics is they are clearly focused on not just contention, but winning championships. And so the most realistic path to a championship is, you know, to great players in their prime and two top ten players in our plant prime. And it just doesn't seem like short of kyri that there's a path for Boston to do that and realistically acquire Anthony Davis. No, I think that's probably it's probably the consensus out there that you you the each of those guys is almost a Lynch pin to the other at this point. There's this other way of looking at the Celtics, and I wanted to see if you think there's any validity to this where regards kyri they made the conference finals without him and Gordon Hayward they went to game seven of the conference finals. Now, the east was not quite as strong a year ago, but still game seven of the conference finals with a team that was powered by Jason Tatum, and Jalen Brown, Terry Rozier, obviously, Al Horford was was still part of that mix to he's, you know, getting up there in years, but still very, you know, incredibly impactful player if Kyrie walks ca can they resigned, Terry Rozier and just go on about their business, and they're fine. They're still a top four team in the east. They've still got a shot Rosiere may wanna leave to in which case, I don't even know how the replacing or what they're doing it point guard. How critical is that situation just at point guard in like if Kyrie leaves is there enough talent there where like, hey, you know, Jalen Brown? Jason tatum. Okay. So they they slumped for one year. But maybe it was chemistry. Maybe they bounced back. Maybe they become those those stars that you expected is there still an upside there for the Celtics sands, Kyrie? Oh, I mean absolutely there is and like this is what's great about the Celtics situation. There's the kyri path, and then there's the no career path which for sure is going to include, you know, resigning Terry Rozier, who you know, may have actually in some odd way help the Celtics by not playing as much in suppressing his value as a restricted free agent. So you sign Rosiere and then in the Nokia repast after you sign resume you go into next season. You say, okay, we're gonna see as good as we can be if we can't recreate the magic from recreate the magic of the seventeen eighteen season. And if we get midway through the year, hopefully, we can get Gordon Hayward plan better. We have out Horford who's likely to opt in to his, you know, thirty million dollar contract. Maybe he doesn't upped in. And and renegotiates some kind of smaller number for a greater number of years. But if if you get midway through next year, and you you could can and you're not super happy with how competitive your team is. Maybe you consider Gordon Hayward, Al Horford trades and you start planning for twenty twenty free agency and where you can have maximum or twenty twenty one. And you know, one of the things that's gonna be fascinating about the Anthony Davis scenario is how much that he's willing to commit to a team that he's treated to this off season and the longer this goes, the more control Rich Paul and Anthony Davis are going to have in the Anthony Davis trade talks. But if Anthony doesn't go to a place, or maybe he goes to a place, and he you know, he's not like super excited about how that year plays out. I mean in theory, you could maybe just Boston loose kyri, you know, re-sign rose year and maybe a player in twenty twenty free agency. If Anthony Davis isn't locked up on on some sort of massive extension or new contract. So. So like, there's a there's a great path for Boston. And this is why going back to the to the new way of building. You know, you find a way to build as competitive as you can you still need great young players, you still need to develop them you still need to draft. Well, but this is why the Celtics franchise is just a model for how to build, you know, a dual path highly competitive. Organization. No, it's it's it's striking think. And I think you're right. And this is all credit to them because they're going to get thumped if kyri leaves they're gonna get thumped if they don't make the trade for all these plans, which has all been, you know, very much. I don't know if expected, but but the public discussion has been such that people just really feel like the Celtics are in the driver's seat. So if they don't get AD and Kyrie these people are going to look at this. It's like this this huge loss for Danny Ainge, and the Celtics, and of course, you know, on its face it is, but they have so much. They're still that they could still be a top tier team in the east and with deflects ability to keep adding that is that is the beauty of what they've done and wall will be considered a negative. If those things come to pass about a, and I I think what will what will quickly see after that is they've built something sustainable and wound up almost looking better in the end for how well, they're they can you know, kind of kind of spin out of that. I will be fine. I including this no one talks about the fact that Gordon Hayward while he had a pretty, you know, up and down year is I think at least I won't say likely, but we never know his health, but there's a decent chance that he returns to all star form next season that the first year back from a catastrophic type of leg injury. Like, Paul George head that Gordon Hayward had you're never you're back to hundred percent in year one. And you know, there's a good chance. He's back to all star for next year. And again, if the roster's thinned out a little bit, whether it's because they made a three for one deal for a D or because Kyrie is gone, Gordon. Hayward to play much more prominent role and more effective role again at full strength. And with the ability to have the ball in his hands more and be the the combination playmaker score that he is. So like their upside includes the fact that Jason Tatum, and Jalen Brown are going to keep getting better. And Gordon Hayward could return to the form that he was when they first signed him here hundred percent, right. We always talk about the return to play. And we almost never talk about the return to. Productivity date and Paul George is the best example that you just mentioned, you know, it takes a long time to come back. We had you know, we had Lou Williams in Atlanta who tore his ACL in January, and he made a he had a great rehab a great recovery. And he was back, you know, eight months after after the injury or so, but it was a full nother year before he had he had everything we've seen in since then he's like multiple multiple six man of the year award winner. And you know, one of the greatest kind of bench players in the history of the NBA or reestablished himself is that so yeah, the return to play is what we all focus on the return of productivity is huge. And then Secondly, the other point that you mentioned is pecking order Rixon longtime executive great mentor to us over the years. He would always say the best teams have a best pecking order, and sometimes you don't want you. Sometimes it's actually better to have a little bit less. So everyone has the space to be their absolute best. And we you're a hundred percent we concert. See that with Boston. And this is why their future is so compelling. They have a kyri path that potential leaves to Anthony Davis with the upside of Gordon Hayward, they have a no Kyrie path with with a ton of great players where they likely keep brassiere. And then they will say, okay, great. Does this teamwork? And if it doesn't work mid next season, then they can explore moves in Horford and Hayward while still having that Memphis pick out there, if they go down that path and all their own, you know, future picks. So can't say enough about the job that Boston has done. I actually think Philly is a little higher stakes because if Philly doesn't if Phillies for some somehow not able to re-sign Jimmy Butler Tobias they don't have this secondary path of continued contention or continued building. So to fascinating teams. I'm a big fan of the job that both teams have done. And it's it's a lot less stress. Stressful not having to sit in those front offices and and work through the. Reality of those decisions, you know, over this next, you know, six to eight weeks. No doubt running out of time. You and I are both heading to Chicago. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in the sequester room the extra lottery draw room. Yeah. So much fun envelope room. Yeah. The the the frozen pong ballroom. She'll be the third time. I think go do that being the sequester room. It's it's so we'll be we'll both be there in Chicago this week, including the draft combine everything else. Do you have a great lottery night story of any kind? I don't know if you've ever been in the sequester rumor of you've done the day or whatever. But what's your what's your most interesting lottery nights story? So I've never been in a question room. But but to lottery moments that, you know, will never forget one, you know, way back in two thousand three I was I was in Los Angeles as young kid is a video coordinator pulse. Had just gotten a Cleveland cavalier job. So watching law lottery when the Cavs win the lottery knowing that there may be an opportunity go will work for the Cavs. I remember run around my house was like a twenty four year old lose my mind, cause like, you know, we were going to have a LeBron who, you know, ended up being just an incredible seven year run and so much so many incredible. Happen to our family and really because LeBron. But I mean, I bought my first house. I joke that LeBron bought my first house LeBron bought my wife's wedding ring, LeBron provided everything for our family. So certainly the two thousand three lottery was unbelievable. And then also in Cleveland, we made a trade Chris grant, the general manager made a just a great trade with the clippers for Baron Davis, which was the ninth ping pong ball selection at the time, it was a two point eight percent chance for like even remember twelve million dollars. And we won the lottery that year and that that was a fascinating year because we lost twenty six games in a row that season the first year after LeBron had left. And and that twenty six game losing streak was the NBA record. I think Thai we tied the NBA record. And what's fascinating about a rebuild? And this is why luck isn't a critical factor in a rebuild. You know that twenty six game losing streak worst record in the NBA that you're that led to the fourth picking the draft. And but we made a trade for two point eight percent chance with the clippers and the clippers went from the ninth lottery seed to the first and that ended up being career having which set the stage really for, you know, LeBron to come back to Cleveland, and then ultimately their championship in two thousand sixteen. So those are two lottery moments that, you know, we'll stand out forever. Ignites is still the highest or the low or the biggest leap of a team, right? Yes. Like, no one's knows leaped up from ninth Ronan, Derrick rose. Oh, no. He was too right? There was no he was he was the bulls were also somewhere than eighth ninth range. I don't think anybody from tenth on down has ever lived to number one have they? Yeah. It all blends together, you know, we're vision and louder position over time. But certainly certainly that kyri one with the clippers and Chicago there with their grows. Those are the two are the most memorable jumps. I I love the lottery. I'm just a complete frigging sucker for the lottery. Like, I know that there's all these arguments about why the lottery socks the draft is terrible. We should not have a triumph. Everybody should just be signed free agent contracts and the draft it's wrong. And it's immoral like the draft show is is like the built in drum. It's all like, it's so much fun. And the lottery is like it's fake drama. Right. It's like, it's a it's a half hour TV show built on drummer. That is created by withholding information that is already known. And and it's ridiculous. But I I'm just complete sucker for it. I know exactly what it is. But I love it every time it's even more fun in some ways being back in the room and watching the actual ball's bouncing around and and all these GM's sweating through their suits. So I can't wait give me tocado get me to the ping pong ballroom west. This has been great as always man pre sheet it as soon as we create full forty-eight swag. You'll have your your t-shirt and your bumper sticker friend of the show of appreciate Hyun. I will soon Chicago for sure.

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Post-Deadline Wiz Therapy, Sixers/Bucks/Raptors Arms Race, Lessons from the Lakers Strikeout

Open Floor

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Post-Deadline Wiz Therapy, Sixers/Bucks/Raptors Arms Race, Lessons from the Lakers Strikeout

"And welcome back to another episode of open floor. I made sharp and on the other line from the Washington Post Benghazi. What's up, man? Not too much job to start things off a little bit differently. This episode. I don't think I've ever done this before. But I'm gonna come straight out in beg. Okay. And look nobody wants to give us sympathy as journalists. There's a lot harder jobs in the world. But I can speak for myself. I'm pretty sure I could speak for you. My fingers are sore. I'm seeing double because I've been staring at my computer screen trade deadline week is a long week, Andrew and both of us. You know, we wrote our behinds off. And I would like to encourage everyone to not only listen to this podcast. And we're going to try to bring you about an hour of heat bringing everything down, but go out there and click for us. You know, what I mean, go out there and make those clicks rain for your boys? Ben and Andrew make those clicks rain. It's funny because I wasn't gonna even bring it up because I thought it would be. Too lame to complain about trade deadline week. But that's why I'm here. Don't worry lames. Not a problem. Listen, I have spent the last ninety six hours texting people and staring at my phone. And then I spent all day all afternoon writing the winners and losers column which wound up being like thirty five hundred words, my editor was like this way too long. But it is what it is a lot happened at the trade deadline, and it was good. But I will say there's something with like brain chemistry. I was thinking about earlier when I stare at by phone for too long, it leads to insomnia. And so the last couple of nights I've been up at like three and four AM like watching thirty rock completely incapable of falling asleep. Well, here's the thing edgy. I can't fact check you on what television shows, you're not sleeping too. But I can fact check you on your texting habits because look we got some serious brotherly beef to still work through because you mentioned just a minute ago. How you've spent the last ninety six hours texting. People. Well, texting everyone except for me, Andrew because last time I checked I sent you some really nice smart forward thinking messages when John wall went down injured. I had a whole plan you, and I were going to draft a legal brief and try to appeal for an amnesty clause on behalf of the wizards. Did I hear back from you there? No boom day or two later after I looked at your Twitter account where your screen grabbing your your group. Text messages with your other friends, not me because you're not replying to me. But your other little wizards France who are lucky enough to get replies. From you. I tried to shake that off. And I came back at you with some autre auto porter trade analysis didn't hear too much, and it made me think Andrew where you really walking the walk here when you were having this big spiel to Knicks fans because if I remember last week, you were telling them. Be so powerful have a stiff upper lip and all that stuff. And this was after they lost Kristaps Porzingis. Their franchise player for you know, basically the guy had twenty years. You lose a third wheel auto porter who had lost his starting job. And you lose John wall to an injury. But he was already injured and as far as I can tell you went into a cocoon for four days. And I believe in we're posting pictures on Instagram of your snacks at your eating to like your way through the healthcare care. Yes. I had a number of had some donuts. I had some Haribo sour spaghetti. I was living. Good last night. Now, look, okay. Is that really the definition of having a stiff upper lip eating a bunch of sweet tooth and just shoving goldfish in your mouth. And then not replying to text messages to me leaving me hanging. I dunno aunt you. It seems like maybe you are. Little hypocritical here. Look your point is well taken okay. And I don't wanna sound self absorbed. But there is not a doubt in my mind that all of what's happened to the wizards is some kind of carbon payback for all the shit. I have talked about other NBA teams over the course. In the last ten years. I don't know what line specifically I crossed that caused me to be consigned to this miserable existence until the end of time certainly the next five years and the duration of walls contract, but I clearly earned it. And here we are pinpoint the line. I think it was when you were trying to sabotage the grizzlies and John Hollander into trading for John wall while he was unfortunately, slipping in his house in ripping his achilles up in all serious. No do feel tested by this week of wizards news because the wall injury is just brutal news for wall. And I thought Mike Lee had a great column on that. And there was a lot of people. I can't tell you how many messages I received Andrew, and I read all them because you weren't replying to my tags. That said, hey, go easy on Andrew. It's going to be a real tough week for him. I mean, this was such a bruising backbreaking injury. Yes. People were feeling secondhand simple. Th-y for you who doesn't even play for the team or really have any official connection to the. No, I certainly do not. But I do appreciate everyone who reached out, and it's funny. Look like most of the time. We talk about the wizards. I'm kinda just joking around and screwing around. And that's how I initially reacted to the wall news in the in the thirty to forty minutes after it hit. And I mean, look objectively speaking you have to step back and say this guy allegedly slipped and fell and ruptured his achilles in his house. It's both like the most wizards injury of all time. And also like one of the saddest things that's happened in the NBA in quite some time. And so in that respect, it was like kind of a just an amazing hilarious internet story. And then the reality of it all began to set in and I really did just turn off my phone for the rest of Tuesday afternoon and just sort of. Shut out the world for a little while because. I mean, I do really care about the wizards. And this is like the spiritual cousin of the Gilbert arenas downfall. And the idea that those two guys could have trajectories so similar and so amazingly depressing. Like, it honest to God and broke my goddamn brain to Tuesday. Just what do they say like history rhymes is it history rhyming, like really really hard is in the DC gogo just rhyming like crazy, right? I don't know if that's actually an expression, I've I've never heard it before. But yes, whether history is echoing certainly, and no it was just awful. And look like it is it's awful for John wall. Who's a guy that I think like the last year and a half has been pretty complicated. But everybody should have been rooting for them all along. He's got a credible story, and he plays his ass off and always has at least until the last year and a half of. But he just the whole Angie like too much for me to handle. Then the wizards turnaround and trade Otto porter and get nothing back. Like, I was just beside myself with that whole thing. I mean, I understand why auto but to just get back like some second round pick in two thousand twenty three Bobby Portis, who sucks Jabari shouldn't be in the NBA. I don't know what to do with his team anymore. We've already been over this. I don't want fan amnesty. But it was like a really rough week. You're right to be concerned. And the roughest part was you adjust told us at the end of last week after getting that inspirational Email from K J Suns fan about how you would never give up on the wizards, and sort of this is how they repaid you. We'll get auto Puerto at a second because it was an interesting trae to look at. But can I break some news here real quick? And you I'm gonna I'm gonna go public with something that I haven't mentioned previously last year at about this time, actually broke my foot, and it was. No, fun at all. It was awful. And look the rehab was like six weeks. Right. Not a big deal. Nothing compared to even what wall was going through with the first injury where he was going to be out for like eight months right during my rehabilitation following the foot injury. I had to go through what I'm sure wall was going through which is like the boot the bag that you have to wear during the shower and all that stuff. Right. And I will tell you. I'm not a world class NBA athlete by any stretch. But one false step is so easy to happen in that situation. Your balances thrown off everything is so difficult. You get tired by just even getting up off the couch is hard to do the prospect of going grocery shopping is just an absolute nightmare your arms or aching from crutches. I'm not seeking sympathy. Here what I'm trying to say is I can see that wall deserves the benefit of the Dow with all these conspiracy theories it would be so simple for him to have one false step. Boom, go down. Given the severity of the injury the complications from the first surgery. I think we should just sit take all those conspiracy theories that people are thrown out there and put them in the trash can and basically give this guy that benefit of the doubt. Definitely. And as far as humanity aspect of it. I have the way I feel about walls contract is the same way. I feel about Gilbert's contract where it's like look if it all had to come crashing down. I'm glad that wall is gonna make one hundred and eighty million dollars at the end of all this because I did I will always love John wall. Just just like I always loved Gilbert and Gilbert got paid right before his career started on Ravel. But look this is we're all we're getting too dark here. Like, I wrote about the wizards. If anybody wants to read about it, and okay, well, let's brighten it up by welcoming Jabari Parker to the nation. No. I'm just kidding. Let me let me ask you this way on the auto trade. Of course, you know, better late than never right like they're basically getting nothing for him. If they traded him six months ago, twelve months ago, definitely would have gotten more for him all things considered though given that they've created this financial flexibility, given they've give themselves a chance to sort of retool around Beal, potentially the sucks so flexibility. Did they really create they created enough room to re-sign Trevor Aretha who's going to be thirty four years old next year? Like, I don't want to spec. You don't wanna Thomas Bryant back? I mean, these are these are guys you've pretended to like over the last couple of months, I do really like those two players in particular. But I just I think they wanted to get on the tax. And that was the auto trade was the way to do it. But to not get any sort of meaningful pick any sort of rebuilding tool. Back for him is just unforgivable have sorry. So really, it's a bad way to manager basketball team. Okay. But fall to its conclusion though. So you're saying they shouldn't have done the trade. I would not have traded auto at rock-bottom value. If that's all you could get I'm convinced like what Sacramento gave up to get Harrison Barnes. I wonder whether they could have gotten that same package from the kings. And you know, that's like Justin Jackson is. I'd rather have just Jackson on a rookie deal. Then Bobby Portis and having to pay him this summer because I bet you they're going to try to keep him. And I bet I'm going to have to watch Bobby Portis. See now you sell a Knicks fan just predicting the doom and gloom of future and past bad decisions. All this one decisions are going to sign. Kevin durant? This summer. The wizards are going to be the wizards for the rest of my God damn life. I feel bad for myself. The Knicks fans have good things coming their way. Yeah. Well, you've had more success than them though, recently. I mean, you know. Yeah. Well, it's a very kind of Eastern Conference see success that it's almost more depressing. But the auto play his way out of value though. I mean, isn't that part of this to like he wasn't really that good this year? He lost his starting spot at times or they're going to move them to the bench to try to supercharge offense, or whatever their rationale was. I mean, this guy was on a gigantic terrible contract. There is a good argument. Like is he giving you more than Harrison Barnes? That's a really rough category to be in a couple years ago. He was a much more effective fishing. You know, positive contributing player. I'm not sure we can put all of this on the wizards front office. Can we? Not as a -sarily. I think that. Yeah. Yes. We can't. It's offices mismanages every step of the way. All right. Like auto has not been perfect auto. There are valid questions about what he's really giving you at this point. I think there are a couple of injuries that have slowed him down over the last few years. And I have we had this conversation a year ago or your and a half ago. I would have been positive that he was about to go somewhere else and have a great career. And now, I'm less certain particularly since he's going to Chicago. But. Love that. We're starting to sell with the wizards. Which is definitely what the people want covet out of the Troy is what the people it is what the people want for. Sure. No, I feel bad for auto. I mean, the idea of guy who sort of had trouble finding himself being thrown into the Jim Boylan shark tank. That's no fun. That's not even like. What's that is darker than Washington? I mean, they found a way to put it into a situation. That's definitely worse. Let me tell you who's not gonna put teammates in a position to succeed. Zach LeVine and Chris done. They need to figure out the backward in Chicago. And I like I'm so close to really getting in on the bulls that everything they're trying to do. And then Zach LeVine is just as Zastava. I'll watch five minutes of a bulls game. It'd be like I can't I can't do it. And then they bring in Archie to nocco. I don't even know how you say is named like just please find support guards who aren't Zach LeVine or Chris done or the kid from Villanova. Did you see paxon's comments today? His we really like our four positions talking about two through five and he's like and with Chris, you know, we're just going to play them for better or worse. Well, you don't want. The bulls are sort of living out the reality that the wizards are going to be staring at with Portis because they brought in Levin and Chris done, and they just feel obligated to keep running out with them and seeing if it's going to work, and sometimes you just gotta cut bait. And again, that's not what the wizards are going to do with Bobby Portis. My one coherent thought here before we move onto relevant teams in the NBA. The wizards could actually salvage the next three to four years if they wanted to start getting aggressive about attacking the rebuilding process. And it's a really ironic kind of place for me to be because I don't know we've been over this all the podcast in the past four five years ago. I was at war with the process army because I live with Michael LeVine. And I was just constantly taking shots at their whole bullshit Salafi. And in a lot of games was right? Like, ultimately like, you sounds like you want the swamp process is that where this is going. I do absolutely want the slob process at our roles have been inverted entirely because the Sixers meanwhile are about to spend a lot of money on a team that. Probably not good enough. And so it just is a perfect hundred eighty degree in version of our roles, and yes, they call them Ernie brand or Elton Grunfeld. Hey, here's my question for you though on the Sixers because that's where we should go on your list of winners and losers. I believe you had them a winner to me they were losers during this trade deadline season. And I understand okay. Short term. They went for it. You could say that their fans are winners because hey, you're getting this huge message from the front office that like your title contender this year. Let's school all let's make a count. Do you think what they did during this trade deadline was actually good for their franchise though? Long term big picture before we get there. Could I just make one more with point? Yes. Of course, let's do another hour on. One more hour on the wizards that will talk NBA traits. The way to start all this is to shut Bradley Beal down for the rest of the year tank land in the middle of the top ten and then trade deal for another top ten pick and go into next season with two top ten picks and has many other projects and high upside guys as you can find and look if the Knicks number one, you could Trey Bradley Beal for the Knicks pick at he would be a perfect fit next to whoever New York's trying to bring in this summer, and you could do the same shoot Dallas. If the Mavericks are in the top five like Bill has that value? So anyways, why are you why are you beating around the Bush? You're isn't what you wasn't a real plan to just take the Lakers scraps that the pelicans laughed at and just import all of them for Bill is that where this is going. No, look, the wizards have to dream a little bit bigger than the eventual seven seed with Brandon Ingram and Lonzo ball. And whoever else the Lakers wanna throw in. And we'll talk about the Lakers offer. Okay. Because I definitely have some thoughts there. But the Sixers side of it. I did like the Sixers deal in part and really almost entirely because I think Tobias Harris is a great fit in theory between Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid, and he also he buys them a little bit of Jimmy Butler insurance to where if this thing doesn't really work out. And I don't really think it's going to they can go the other direction this summer, and they don't have to spend two hundred million dollars on the next five years of Jimmy Butler career, and you know, every outsider can can look at this and say, that's that's a bad contract. It's going to be a bad contract that they had signed. It's only gonna get worse. And I think now Elton brand will have just enough room to actually. Say all right. This hasn't worked Jimmy, and we're not going to pay two guys a combined three hundred fifty million dollars. So that's the way it goes. And avai can't say that now because like the next couple months, we'll get super dysfunctional in Philadelphia. But I do think that that's the way could go and should go. I like what you're thinking. I'm not sure that that's how they're thinking. And I also have concerns that not only did they buy at the highest possible moment of Tobias Harris stock like this is the Tobias bubble of all Tobias bubbles the arced all-star buzz twenty points per game. I mean, even just go back to a year ago when he wasn't that fundamentally of a different person. Nobody really got that excited when he was traded for Blake Griffin. Right. When you look at his career arc. I don't think he's going any higher. I mean, he basically is who is. And I think thing we Jimmy like the decline there has already started. So you're now considering paying both those guys huge money, or at least one of those guys huge money this summer after you've traded. Sets for them. And I I'm not sure that the fit between the two of them is as great as what you laid out earlier with Simmons and Embiid, which definitely does fit cleanly on top of that. Didn't they pay two hundred percent too much for Tobias Harris like given his contract situation? Like if he was under contract through all of next year. You could maybe say okay a couple of first round picks. But when I saw the Tobias Harris package, I was thinking that that's what Anthony Davis was going to get from the Lakers in terms of the picks. Right. So now, I'm thinking if we scale up what Tobias got from the Sixers for Anthony Davis. Aren't we talking sixteen first round picks fourteen second round picks to make that deal? Given their relative talent. You know what I mean? And so that makes me nervous. Here's the thing though. I actually kinda disagree there. Because if you've already got Simmons and NBA. NBA did that the first round picks are less important. You've got the guys in place, and they need to go. Find a third guy who actually make sense, and if getting to bias cost two first round picks one of which is a Miami pick one of which is a lottery protected. Sixers pick that is probably going to be in the twenties. If all things go according to plan, which. Every pick in the twenties is essentially a second router as far as I'm concerned. And so you hate picks the wrong guy to be arguing. I don't hate pigs. I think we need to be a little bit more precise. In terms of how we value. I I think a lottery pick is incredibly valuable, but the the odds of getting someone who's more than like a bench player in the twenties is is the odds are pretty low. No, I hear you. But you're also going to be paying him what like twenty five twenty eight million dollars. And so also in your scenario, if they get rid of Butler now the cost for Harris's two first-round picks Shamet two second round picks and Dario and Covington because now Tobias cost you Jimmy under this near that. You're lying out. There is no way. You can tell me that that's a good process for Elton brand come on. Well, you're looking at that in the most unfair possible light if you're adding Covington. And Dario to the Tobias trade. That's completely logical. That is a sung. I mean, if you're telling me that you're bringing into bias because you you're trying to push out. Jimmy, isn't there on those two things related, and if you can't pay both of them aren't those things directly related? Yes. But I I would also say that I think your trying to sort of criticize Elton brand when it's just as possible that he deserves credit for recognizing the Jimmy fit isn't going to work long term and look at we should actually be pretty clear upfront. That's probably not the way the Sixers are thinking. But even if Elton brand and whoever is running the team right now. Even if part of the rationale was just buying themselves some flexibility, I think there's value in that that your discounting. And I think we're going to have to kind of wait and see what they actually decide to do this summer before we judge the steel, but I would not conflict what they gave up in the Jimmy deal with what they gave up in the Tobias deal. I think that they were two separate decisions the Jimmy deal made sense of the time in part because they weren't sure who was going to be available at the deadline, and they recognize that they were not going to get a superstar this summer. And so that they had. A spot that they had to fill because the money is going to disappear once Simmons signs, but to vice could end up being a better fit in which case, they that's fine. I just see a first time GM with no previous experience making two. Very bold cash. Tight moves clearing out his bench slapping, together, a new bench and the process dumping a number one overall pick who hasn't turned twenty one years old yet and trying to throw together five guys who really they're very interesting on paper, they'd be great and NBA two K or fantasy, but they have serious questions about how well they're going to function, and he's given himself basically a three month window before the Bill comes due, and it's going to be a very very expensive Bill. Sorry that sounds like too much risk for my blood. Second. Are you killing him for the full straight to you through in the trade number one overall pick that's super misleading if you're gonna just strip away any of the context when the last year and a half of Foltz? No my God. Now, you're a Sixers fan. This is crazy. I can't keep up Celtics fan or a wizards fan or Sixers fan come on. I'm not killing him for any of this. I'm just raising legitimate questions about his strategy. There is serious backfire potential. You can see that there's a lot of backfire potential. There's no question about it. And I do appreciate the Sixers four remaining completely unhinged at all times over the last couple of years there at once thrilling and one of the most exciting teams in the league. And also just like perpetually teetering on the brink of full blown disaster. And I think this as to it's extreme and the next couple of months because like like wishes talk about what the Sixers are going to be on the. Court like to bias Harris can't really play defense. That's not what he's great at. That's not. Why teams what's not anybody would want him JJ Rettig really can't play defense? And I don't know last couple of months Jimmy bowlers. I made it it's a to k roster. That's a great to k rock sharp is real excited with their starting five. But is it going to work at breakfast? I think it's a fair question. I do like the pairing between Harrison MB, though, don't you? I really liked that pairing. And I also think that Mike Scott is going to be sneaky helpful for them. That's kind of a random note, but he's going to be solid next to Simmons. And I hope that they get Wayne Ellington, who's a local guy. I think he could help them to the we're you on a local guy here like slinging chase sticks. At this point. No way elected one of my college friends went to Piscopo high school where way netted went in outside Philly and then wailing to Carolina guy. Okay. So I'm always going to have a soft spot for him. But he's a baller. He would be a great fit there. I hope he picks the Sixers over the Lakers, by the way, it'd be a better fit for him more minutes. More more shine in the playoffs. All that. Well to finish off the Sixers part of this podcast. We're you awake. When that trade went down believe it was early Wednesday morning around like two thirty in the morning, east coast time where you up online every trade. I don't know if I've slept in four days. That's why started this podcast by begging. Well, yes, I was awake as well. And I was watching thirty rock and the trade came through. And I just want to say like obviously, nobody's perfect. But I saw a lot of people a lot of like NBA reporters talking about the Sixers as if they had just assembled like a a real super team. Like, oh, big five. And I, you know, I don't really see. Okay. That's that's like the most depressing dysfunctional super team, you could possibly assemble and they may still make the finals, but we should be very clear eyed about all the questions and all the flaws that are baked into that starting five and beat is amazing. And everyone else has some pretty big red flags. That's well said look I'm going to do something that I rarely do Andrew, you know, I'm not real big on just anecdotal situations like form your opinions dry. I like to look at the big picture. Don't judge guys by their best air their worst day. But what thing stuck with me from the recent clippers Lakers game where LeBron came back and kinda pull that game out and OT late in the game Tobias Harris who had just spent the last two weeks getting showered by all-star, snub, talk and all this from his teammates, and his coaches the Paul kept going. To him. That's the moment. You're going to step up your in front of your home crowd because it was a clippers home game. Everybody's looking to him to to shoot three pointers late in the game kinda step up and be the man, and you he wanted no part of it. It was a pump fake party. I mean, this guy's out here. Faking faking faking shooting passing to somebody in the corner. No, I mean, like, you know, when guys don't want the moment, you know, you can kind of see it in there. I see it in their body language clocks under five seconds there pump-faking and passing the rock. That's how Tobias Harris was acting and for that's what I mean about kind of buying him at the highest possible moment, this guys, I don't believe he's ever been in a playoff win and his entire career. I think he's had four total playoff games when you're going into Boston. Or, you know, you're going to the, you know, the title favorites, Milwaukee and that crazy Pfizer form. Janas breathing down your neck about to knock you out in five games. Do you need to be ready to step up? Don't you? And I'm just curious like is Tobias Harris ready to be that guy because we know. Not going to be Simmons shooting. That's another pump fake party for you. It could be Jimmy. But he doesn't always exercise the best shot selection, and you can only force feed. Joel so often, and you don't want him taking threes late and games like Tobias is gonna play an important role for them. And I'm just that game may be nervous. It was like is this hype that you're describing at two AM getting ahead of them in terms of who he actually is a player. Yes. Well, and that's a good segue into my three takes on the trade. Okay. My three official takes the Sixers trait. Number one. This is probably stupid. They probably do intend to bring back all four players, and it's probably not going to end. Well, and if they pay Jimmy the Sixers are going to be really depressing as early as next December. And we're and instead of a four or five year run of really exciting teams with Embiid and Simmons like the window will close much quicker than anyone expects. And just in terms. They're going to be. They're paying super team prices for superman outlook. Yes. And listen as someone who has lived through the wall era as soon as you sign that contract, and it becomes clear to fans that there's just no flexibility and the team isn't good enough. If becomes much harder. Enjoy anything second take on the trade is as I've already said if this leads to them not paying Jimmy it will be worth it. No matter how good Tobias Harris is and number three. I think you're alluding to it. You didn't explicitly say it. I think that not a single person associated with NBA media or NBA Twitter has any idea. How good Tobias Harris is. And I think most of us haven't even really watched most of Tobias harasses career because he's been playing Detroit in Orlando and the best players on his teams have been like don't love me to this. Now, come on. Now, don't say this us, you have a mouse in. Pocket. Don't say us watching a lot of clippers games this year. You have been at a lot of clippers games. I just think it's hard to judge the trade because to your point. We don't know how to bias Harris is going to respond when you put him in some of these high intensity environments, and that does sound kind of like hot and whatever. But I'm on it all off at all. And I think he could be better than anyone expects. Well, actually, a lot of people expected to be really good. He could be that player. And he could be exactly what Philly needs to sort of like space the court and make their lineup make a little bit more sense than it has. And and if that's the case, the Sixers are going to be pretty interesting, and a lot of it is going to depend on, you know, can they guard anybody, but they fifteen second interjection before your third point the clippers from management to coach teammates. Everybody loved to buy Harris as a person as a player as an offensive fit as a guy who knows when to kind of get. His shot. And and how nuts ball hog all that stuff? They all swore by right? They were not trading him out of any malice, and that's been sort of repeated to me multiple times. So you are getting a really really good person and citizen if you're Philly. Yeah, we should throw that in. Well, we're saying he's gonna choke in the playoffs. I'm not saying that I'm really curious to see what he turns into. I'm not saying either. I'm just nervous. Well, we'll see should we talk about the bucks real quick because the beard, we should get to your. What was your third point though? Now, the my third point was simply that I have no idea. How good Tobias heiresses? I'm not gonna speak behalf of anyone else. I I am a little skeptical of like how certain everyone is that Tobias Harris is this like super officiant score who's gonna fit seamlessly into what Phillies try to do. Like, let's just wait and see. But I wanna talk about the bucks look because we don't need to spend too much time worshiping Jaanus, and what Milwaukee is going to be doing over the next couple of months, but getting miratec wasn't a pretty incredible win and John horse the front office people were skeptical when he took over people have been skeptical a lot of his time there. But this was incredible to do for four second round picks. I don't know is this type of trade that would get vetoed. In a lot of fantasy leagues. But it's a big win for the bucks. It's a clear win on a number of fronts. First of all I liked his George hill trae to I mean, they set this team up what they really solid balanced veteran heavy rotation. These guys are ready to go and all the pieces fit, and I know you've loved a harp on or sound Ilyasova and how he's kind of weak link for Milwaukee. Well, if you wanna make Ersan Ilyasova better in every way and younger, okay now, you have his name's Nico miratec. No, first round picks, going out is awesome. The second pick strategy mentioned was right on the money. And I think he's going to be seamless. You know, everything that people are saying about to buy Harris's fit in Philly. I think it's going to actually be basically like that for MIR to obviously, not as much volume, but in terms of just like dropping him in saying shoot wide open three pointers when Janas passes to you. It's going to be easy. I think he's going to hit the ground running. And you know, he's got the playoff experience just like George show as well. One other point real quick on the bucks. Did Janas bring more charisma to the NBA all star draft. And LeBron did I think he might have aunt you. I was sitting there watching these green colored, you know, these these books green colored glasses when I watch on us Inc. On the big stage. That is a huge moment. Was shack. Charles the whole world watching. You're picking your team's Jaanus joke. Writers were incredible. I don't know who wrote his jokes. But he delivered the bars brilliantly. He was making LeBron crackup. And I kind of felt like it was one of those passing the torch moments where like okay Janas has not superseded LeBron yet. But this is gonna be one of those moments that we're going to remember where we sort of like two ships passing. You know what I mean? I can't I can't quite get there with the all-star dressed as far as. Really the momentus towards passing. But I did love it. And I don't know how many people listening to the podcast. We'll of actually watch the show, but Jaanus was legitimately funny. Not just like athlete funny. Not like uncomfortable. Canned laughter. He was jabbing people, man. He went after LeBron for tampering. He told shack to call him superman. It was heaters. That's what I'm saying. Who wrote his jokes? I don't know. I'm really excited to have Janas actually in the mainstream. I saw a couple of people saying like Yoenis can be a star anywhere. And it doesn't matter that he's in Milwaukee. I think that's true. I do think that he is still flown more under the radar because he's playing in Milwaukee than he would have if he were almost anywhere else in the NBA. And which is only to say that I'm more excited when the rest of America finds out how awesome is both on on the court and off the court. And so they. Thank you for bringing that up. I wasn't gonna mention it. But I did really enjoy like my exact thought during the alster draft was like I just watch Jaanus give LeBron shit for the next two hours. Like, let's just keep this election show going and with that being said LeBron killed on the draft though. I mean, like K D AD of his team is tagged hearted. I mean, I appreciate you on his loyalty to Chris Middleton. But LeBron destroyed them in address. I do not agree with that whatsoever. Yana says and bead and Steph curry really those players that's all you need is going to win the game. So you mean seven foot centers I'm going to be any help in an all star format and Steph curry got locked up by LeBron Katie last year and the all star game. Those guys stepped it ever really bad all star game. Embiid was really good last year. Anyways, the books are setup. I do think it's very interesting Zach Lowe made the point initially that he was talking about a month or two ago on the Bill Bill Simmons podcast and was saying, you know, Philly is betting on talent. And upside being the most important thing when you get to may and the bucks are betting on fit and fit around Jaanus. And and miratec certainly fits that vision saying fit too often now, but no you're on it. I mean you throw in an extra beard, you know, like you've probably going to grow that playoff beard. It's just gonna take the cute story to the cutest story. Right. So what do we think do who's made the finals out of the east is is Milwaukee the favorite is Philly? Fo- fo- fo- Milwaukee. I don't see who beats them. They're unstoppable right now. I'm kidding. You thought I was serious for a second. 'cause you're tired. No. It's not that. I thought you were serious. It's just that like somehow you've become more pro books than I am. And it's it makes me uncomfortable. I've had some bucks fans take me to task for not being high enough on the bucks. Somebody somebody moved for me to be removed from the board of Janas Inc. To which I can look here's the deal. I'm a fan of Janas. I okay, I'm going to be active about the books, and I will be a sycophant. When it comes the honest, but I'm trying to keep it more, even keel with the walkie. But anyways with that let you continue rank your ranking favorites. Can we just all positive moment to hear how aunt you perfectly pronounce psycho fan? Nailed it. That was fantastic psycho fan for life. When it comes honest. You said Milwaukee Philly, and I don't like that framing to me. It's Milwaukee or Boston as the top tier in. The second tier is Philly in Toronto my crazy. You're not crazy. I do think that. Here's I think that Boston poses the greatest threat to Milwaukee. But I think that Philly could beat Boston with the amount of firepower. They now have whereas I think stylistically the Celtics can give the bucks the most trouble because they are able to target whether it's brook Lopez. They'll also go after miratec mercilessly. Whereas I think Boston and Philly that's will just be a war. And at some point like talent wins out. And that's what I would worry about. If I were Celtics fan. Interesting. A on the Toronto front. We should always start bouncing around some of these teams. I mean, you look at the gazelle move like how sick with the raptors be if they had two thousand sixteen Lowery Gosol and Butler. You know what I mean? And I'm trying to get over that mental hurdle. When I look at this, Marcus all move for Toronto. Because I feel like when I watch those guys you're just going to be sitting there thinking like man, it's really too bad. They're all not three years younger. You know what I mean? It's really too bad that we're watching kind of decayed version of these guys versus what they could have become and I just wonder was this a panic move from Masai with an eye towards quite Leonard's future. Like as is kind of pulling a big trigger just to do it to try to send a message to the guys that everybody should stay Bhatt in and this is still there year because I don't know I'm not as high Marcus is a lot of other people. I don't think that gap between him and Yona's Valance unis is really that wide your Toronto you're mentioning matchups in the playoffs. Like when push comes to shove, aren't they going small with the bucket center in the playoffs? Or do you think they're going to be able to try to keep Marcus hall in the court in the fourth quarter? And if they don't keep Marcus on the court house he going to handle that. I mean, this guy's been the man in Memphis for what twelve years straight, and all of a sudden he might get bench for smaller lineups when they need to go more versatile to me. That's just well, I think there there's some hidden risks without move. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. I suppose so I don't really anticipate him having trouble being benched because I think he's going to be really happy to be on a winning team that has a shot at the finals for the first time in his career. But I do think that you know, I think when you spin it forward and think about what the rafters really have in the playoffs and when they're going to be at their best. I was in -ticipant ING trying Siaka at the five and trying to go super small and fill the court with wings. And like, I just sold doesn't really move the needle very much. I think maybe it was strictly like Masai trying to give them an emotional lift because Valance wasn't gonna move the needle either. And the price was low and just sort of like see what you can get and see see what you have with Casale. He just he hasn't looked great. And maybe he'll look like a different player in a new situation. But, but yeah, I think that like the raptors I mean, we we both did when did you do it winters in? Loser's call today. No come on enjoy panted the winners and losers call I've been doing that. You're at greatly. And where you guys probably do these. I don't know. I did my own winners and losers thing and the raptors are clear losers right between this trade, which to me is like a lateral move. And almost kind of reeks of desperation. And also the everything that clippers did would just really freaked me out. If I were Toronto fan, or I should say if I were Toronto fan who hadn't already made peace with the idea that Kawhi Leonard is like ninety percent out the door on July. First that's another reason that this has been a tough week. And then you know, I really would have pushed hard to try and trade Kyle Lowry this week. And I don't know what offers were out there. Like if I were Masai I would have been moving heaven and earth to bring back Conley and not a soul or bring the both to Toronto. If that's what it took. And that deal, I guess never really got off the ground. But. Lowry's the weak link as far as I'm concerned. I'm with you on a lot of that. I think less the Toronto is huge losers and more that the clippers were really big time winners, and those two things are linked like you've mentioned, I just thought the clippers add a really master masterful. Retooling. It's probably going to cost them a playoff spot in the west, but not necessarily and. To be able to get all those picks, and how this sort of landing pad environment where now you can go out there and chase guys you can trade for chase guys. You're going to try to just sign out. Right. As free agents. I just think they're in a really nice spot, and they can be really really aggressive this summer. In terms of Toronto, though, there's some backfire potential to write let's say co why does leave as you're describing. And then if you're Marcus all you have to think pretty hard about opting into twenty four million. So imagine the raptors next year with cow Lowry who you've already sort of described as being a weak link Marcus who's a year older and on the books for twenty plus million dollars. You don't have a Dhillon. Right. You don't have Valance Eunice you've got role players in Siaka and Anobi who no longer have the superstar sort of look to in turn to because Leonard is not there, and you don't really have a ton of flexibility because you're paying all this money. That's pretty dark like that is your window being slammed shut in your face. Right. So isn't there a very realistic chance by like the second week of July? We're no longer talking about the raptors as a contender. Yeah. I would say it's more likely than not at this point. And I think that you know, I think that might surprise raptors fans more than it would surprise. Is raptors front office employees? And I would imagine that they entered the seizing knowing that was like a real real possibility. And look it as far as I can tell messiah has been trying to trade Lowery for at least the last year. And I think that Lowery understands that as well. And that counts for some of the friction we've seen there. And when I say, he's been bad been fine. He's just not good enough for them to go where they wanna go. And I would also like I said before he's not as good as he thinks he is. And that's that's the central problem. Just he's been so openly indifferent to Kawai the entire year. And that really kind of rubs me the wrong way. I have no investment in the rafters whatsoever. Could not there's torrent of find a team I care about less. But just as a as an objective. Observer I've just like come on Lowery. Like you're supposed to be like the franchise player. Cornerstone you've anchored this whole era and to just sort of give Kawai the cold shoulder the entire year, and the chemistry hasn't been there on the court either. It's just no not at all. It's not. It's a great point. It's a great point Lowery really is the anti Steph when it comes to this stuff. I don't know if you saw that Spurs game the other night where the warriors random off to coordinate Katie had that big. Meltdown post game. And we're going to get to that later in the lantern segment and you during that game Katie fell down Steph curry came running over during live action like fifteen feet out of his way to personally pick. Kevin Durant up off the ground with both of his arms. And obviously, he's a smaller guys getting Katie off the ground was like no light task. Yes. Just so that Katy who's like betting this move for these last couple of weeks would feel the love from Steph. Curry can we see Kyle Lowry doing that for Leonard or do they even talk when they pass each other in the law group? It's bad. Yeah. And it is it is very impressive the way Steph because as weird as it has gotten in Golden State Steph is always there too. We now sound like the light years guys just sort of like full aiding Steph curry live on the podcast, but he's just really good as a leader at as sort of a cornerstone who stabilizes everything and the was I going to say. I don't know. But I've let another beef to pick with you if that's okay, okay. On your winners losers. I believe you had Western Conference. He leads as losers, and that's a real subtle dig, and the, but go ahead and make the case why you think that is. Well, here's the thing. Okay. I'll actually let me pull up the section here. I'll just read it for people on the gonna read it live on the air. This'll be great radio. Cool guys. Just click my articles because the interest is going to read his for you. Growing up on the east coast. I've spent the better part of my adult life listening to Western Conference snobs drone on about the inferior already of proposing a bunch of playoff receding models that will never be approved and wouldn't be nearly as fun as these people think entities people. I now say as of Thursday afternoon the four best teams outside of Golden State all play in the Eastern Conference. The Knicks are looming next year ready to be the super team that LeBron couldn't build himself. The warriors will go twelve no on the way to the finals without breaking a sweat. And until then we're gonna watch Marvin Bagley and Brandon Ingram Duke it out for the final playoff spot in the Western Conference. Isn't it time to have the receding conversation? I mean, really this is getting embarrassing the league needs to intervene edit, Dan, I edited that lightly along the way. But that's where I stand. That's how I feel. I'll see I count. This is what I'm talking about. It's the beer goggles that go on. It's like the funhouse mirror of the Eastern Conference because they're so far behind the true talent that everything looks amazing. When you make these minor deals look at Tobias Harris non all star on a team. That's probably gonna make the lottery, Marcus all non all star team. That's going to make the lottery Niccolo miratec non all star team. That's well outside of the lottery yet these three guys are guys were propping up as like game changers. Who are going to help teams make it to the finals over so excited. Come on. Monte fifth best player. Okay. Same unmerited? She's not always not no one's bringing miratec chin to be like the superstar focal point of bucks trying to do. But they're going to be really good who am I missing on Philly? That's supposedly better than Tobias Harris. He's at least their fourth best player if not their third best player. I think it's Jimmy bowlers. Jimmy, non all star from a Western Conference team that it's not gonna make the playoffs too. So that kind of proves my point there. Here's the thing. Okay. In all seriousness. The Sixers went into oracle the other night and beat the the warriors. They beat them straight up. That's the only team that has legitimately kind of kicked Golden State's asked in the last six weeks. And and so I if they meet the finals, I mean, no doubt. I mean, that's a four. That's true. I think that the only outmatch they're outmatched for the five positions. Now, it's not even close. No, the only teams that actually this again, this is about the entire west. Versus the entire east. There's no argument that the wars are superior, but it while we're on the subject, the only teams that actually have the warriors attention ever are the Sixers and the Celtics. I don't think they respect anyone else in the east, and they shouldn't because no one else in the east can hang with them. Maybe the ball take the west top four over the east top for without hesitation. I know you guys are real excited. This is your big holiday right now is the first time you guys have had this infusion of talent in a long time. But I'm watching the Lakers right now. And they just beat the Boston Celtics one twenty nine one twenty eight by a buzzer beater by regime Rondo in Boston. So French team in the Western Conference just walked into your tough building TD guard in the same building. That's probably gonna intimidated by Harris, and they walked out of there with the w Andrew. Wow, it's funny because I am recording here. And I we came onto record the podcast. I was very pissed off. Because I just wanted to watch the end of that Celtics Lakers game to see how. Depressing. The Lakers could get but lo and behold a little bit of life from LeBron cumby, that's really impressive. And now I am still kind of set that we had to record the podcast instead of watching the rest of that game. No, it's all good. I mean, it would've undercut your argument and confidence and everything it said about the offering. So it's probably better that you did watch it in. Meanwhile, they're right now as I'm watching it there panting to Celtics fans, which is look stunned. They're holding their heads in disbelief and does getting a real exciting. Walk off interview. With crystal Lowe, it's just a hilarious scene. You know, I do I'm glad the Lakers one night. Because I don't know if you saw Austin age, a member of the Celtics front office dunking on the Lakers front office after the Anthony Davis standoff, and the Celtics like, I don't know. We'll talk about that. I don't know how much the Celtics really one on Thursday. But the. Like, the balance of the universe. It requires that the Lakers would strike back. I can't have the Celtics getting too. You know? So thank God for the rage on Rondo game winner. I feel better about the world right now. Yeah. I mean, honestly, though, this is a small consolation for the Lakers being the biggest losers of the entire trade deadline, isn't it? Yes. I mean, we kind of buried the lead. Here we probably should have started with this. But they went scorched earth for two weeks trying to get Anthony Davis. Ultimately, they made the big offer that everybody was waiting for and essentially del Dem's laughed in their face and just didn't call them back and it played out in public in front of all their young players it played out with LeBron James sort of checking out of a game against the Pacers and narrowly being fully engaged. They're sitting by himself on the bench and other in the situation where they have to put the pieces back together. And they have to seriously wonder who are they going to be competing for next summer? We have no link between quite Leonard and the Lakers kyri. I don't buy that stuff for a second. Kevin durant? Kyrie are being courted very hard by the New York. Knicks. You've. Even guys I Chris Middleton or Kemba Walker who are going to be getting, you know, big time offers from their incumbent teams to buy his Harris has already gone to the Sixers if it's not Bradley Beal, and you're trying to tell me that maybe they can go a different direction with Bradley Beal who is it like who is this guy, and they're gonna try to go back and Anthony Davis. But which of their assets are going to be meaningfully better this summer than they were right now to me it felt like this was their window. Try to get a deal done. I'm not saying it's done for good. No matter what. But their life to Anthony Davis their path. Anthony Davis gets a lot trickier. Come summertime, not only trick. You look they're not getting Anthony Davis. Okay. I think we pretty clear about that little posted line cockiness. I like it. No. I don't want it to our own horn too much. And frankly, it was mostly me. But I think you, and I both have been pretty clear dating back to like six weeks ago detailing all the reasons trade wasn't going to happen. And look. We're not Lakers employee's. Okay. These people are paid to think about this shit all day long. And it wasn't that hard to understand. Why New Orleans was not going to want to do a deal with them. And to understand how long the odds really were and to proceed with caution. Okay. So for them to just clumsily bar gin, Lee canoe trade offer every day and expect to get Anthony Davis and expect to put in the event that they didn't get Anthony Davis expect everything to just be fine and normal like, I don't know, man. Sorry, like these people are supposed to be professionals. I don't know whether you blame magic whether you blame Pelinka whether you blame LeBron and Rich Paul like, this was just mismanaged every step of the way. And I think it's everyone involved should be embarrassed. And it's gonna really cost them because you're right. There aren't a lot of. Turnips out there. And I'm not sure what you do from here. Lots and lots of heaters in there. Andrew, I really appreciate it. You're bringing it to the big market teams this week. I don't mean to be overly harsh. I just think that like. The Lakers where they wanna be is. They wanna play for title. They wanna be at the upper echelon of the league. And. To to do that. And to occupy that territory like you do have to be a little bit smart and a little bit artful and clever, and that's what the clippers. Did they sought out the desperate team? They sought out the potential idiots in the room. The Sixers and were able to get two first round picks for Tobias Harris same deal with the Knicks. They were able to trade porzingas and get off forty million dollars worth of cap space. And then at the same time bring back to picks that they're going to be able to use a trade, and like the Lakers have just never been that clever. They weren't the last two weeks, and it's the type that they've played this so poorly that it's forced me to go back and look at how poorly they've played the last two years, and you can go back to them taking Lonzo number two, which a lot of people would have told you at the time was pretty questionable, and it's just it's upsetting because I do want the Lakers to be good. And they're just. Not a smart as I thought they were. Yeah. And look I made the case pretty stridently. Why New Orleans should try to get a trade here. And if the Lakers package what they didn't like was the best offer that they got from anybody. I understand why they did it. But I still think that they're losers on this two, right? Aren't they still hung up here? They're still hoping for Tatum months from now there's still no guarantee they're going to get this great package. And now it's awkward dance with Anthony Davis where like, I guess, congratulations. Pelicans for at least cashing in a bunch of second round picks. I do think that was a smart move around the edges, but they didn't solve anything. They just punted into the summer and the good thing for them. The main difference between the pelicans and the Lakers here is the pelicans can now go back and hide in irrelevance. Right. No one's gonna care about them until June like for real all of them from the owner on down. Like, how often do we talk about gale Benson until three weeks ago? Never, you know, and we're not going to mention her name again until June or July. The Lakers, though, are do not have the luxury. Of hiding from this drama from being able to sort of duck from expectations. I mean to me LeBron is now facing more pressure here over the next couple of months than at any time since he won that title in two thousand sixteen because not only does he have to get them into the playoffs. Otherwise, that's a huge embarrassment. Not only does he have to pull this group together to sort of save his reputation as a leader and kind of clean up the mess that all these parties who were involved kind of busting up the locker room where there was magic rich. Lebron rob Pelinka all those guys. I mean, it's on LeBron to fix that. Those other guys can't fix it. But he's also in a fight to stay as the best player in the league. Isn't he I mean, isn't there a real chance at after this season that titles no longer going to be his unless he makes the playoffs and really make some noise there as well. So on top of all that he still competing for these free agents. And if I'm a free agent, and I'm looking at the Lakers. They don't make the playoffs there a lottery team again and everybody else's passing. On playing with LeBron. Why do I wanna go play with? Lebron don't all these other people know something else that I don't. So those are serious questions serious pressures. And I think LeBron made a comment the other night of oh, I've got nothing left to prove you know, that may be true. But he's got a lot at stake here. And I think the next two months are going to be very telling there's no question. The next two months going to be one of the more fascinating stretches of the last four or five years. Lebron? I have no idea how he's gonna play. It. The last week has not been particularly encouraging granted did not get to see the second half of tonight's Celtics game when I'm sure he was super human and amazing. But I all of those concerns make sense to me. And particularly the free agent side when you were talking I was thinking, you know, man, like bronze got dispatched some clutch sports emissaries to Toronto and break bread with uncle Dennis. Because it's like if you're not getting you're not gonna. Kyrie. You're just not. And it's like all right. Maybe Kawai maybe try to steal clay and hope that Golden State is stupid enough to low ball in. But if Kevin Durant leaving which sounds increasingly likely, they're not gonna not pay clay. And then like, I don't know what you do. And so it does leave the Lakers in a really tricky spot. And here's the one thing that I would add is New Orleans. I think that they were really smart to turn down that Lakers package, the Lakers package just isn't very good unless you're really in on grow, which I love I really do think Ingram is pretty good and takes more heat than he deserves. But he's not some someone that I would feel comfortable building a new era around, and you know, people kept talking about like the Lakers. They did put into first round picks or they put in three first round picks. Like if you're trading Anthony Davis to to a team that's going to that already has. Lebron those pits are going to be pretty bad like next to worthless. Okay. You're getting like the twenty fifth to thirtieth pick in the draft. So adding more worthless picks to the deal shouldn't really change things for New Orleans. And I think that's where they ultimately came down. Look, we don't think lonzo's very good. We don't think Ingram's, very good. Both. These guys are going to be due for extensions in the not too distant future. And we don't necessarily want to pay them that much, and I don't think that they're losers because I think they're gonna get at worst a pretty good deal from Boston. And that they could also turn around and get a godfather offer from the Knicks in mid June, depending on how the lottery shakes out. And I think that that possibility is is why I would have felt comfortable turning down L A because worst case scenario they're going to be able to to have the Celtics Knicks bidding against each other in June. I guess there's also a real chance that those offers aren't really that. Great. And I still Boston. I don't wanna trade Tatum. You know, I still don't I mean, I'd I'd rather have him locked in on the contract that he'd be on have in for the next seven eight years. And so if he's not in the picture and age did do a pretty masterful job of like flirting with that. But not committing to it. There's a chance that the pelicans wind up still after all this waiting not getting that impressive of package. I I don't know that they're going to do that much worse than what the Lakers were offering this week because what the Lakers were offering this week was basically a bunch of C-plus starters. So that you can go finish at best in seventh place in three or four years when all those guys mature. So if that's the alternative I'd rather take my chances in June. To be honest. The whole Anthony Davis nonsense was worth it. Just to hear you accurately. Appraise Brandon Ingram. It took six seven months. You were fronting like crazy during the top one hundred podcast and all that. But you finally come around to the right declaration. Hey, Andrew, I think it's time for our favorite San segment. Don't you? Well, yes, I have one more story to tell about the pelicans. First of all, did you see that? They're gonna play Anthony Davis for the rest of the season. Perfect while they're probably were they're going to get fined for not doing it. Yeah. I think that's got to be like a league office thing where Adam silver made a phone coal, basically, just sort of sit. Look you're gonna play the fifth or sixth Feth player in the NBA. But I will say I tried to steal Anthony Davis in my fantasy league by offering Jalil Okeafor and Kyle Kuzma. And the other person was very very offended. And this was look this is what it looked like Anthony Davis wasn't gonna play for the rest of the season. So it wasn't as disrespectful as it sounds. But even that it sounds very disrespectful. So that's the moral of the stories. Nobody really cares about these Lakers guys. It's time Andrew for our favorite segment. That's right. The lantern presented to you by linked in three of by gram. Here we come and you now this week's prompt was very topical very timely as I mentioned earlier. Kevin Durant kind of lost his mind against the Golden State Warriors media, and it really didn't make much sense. I mean, he basically flipped out after they won by thirty nine points over the San Antonio Spurs. And yet he's got this big grudge going on with the local media who he was accusing of connecting the dots on his summer free agency. Asking him about free agency too often and not focusing on basketball. We don't need to dig back into that. Because we've had these Katie conversations for years. It's the same old thing every time, however during his rant Andrew he broke out. What I think is an absolutely hilarious conversational ploy. Which is he told everybody in the room to quote, unquote, grow. So what I had to do is ask over open floor globe members on Instagram at Ben dot gov. Ver- what is it time that they've told someone else to grow up or when have they been told to grow up, and I'm curious Andrew just right off the top. Have you ever found yourself on the losing end of that particular dig because it's one that gets thrown around basically daily conversation, right? No, I'll head. I can't think of any grow up situations. There are definitely times when I have to internally remind myself that I am not a child then I need to grow up. I self coaching rather an attack or self coaching for me. But nothing nothing in particular. Okay. I don't know exactly how you're gonna grade these, but we do have a wide breadth the different options here. First things first this is more of a Representative option. And it's from our buddy, Mike Trudell the Lakers writer, and he speaks for a lot of people who found this particular dig coming through in their pickup Aspo games or their local rec games. Mike writes, when I was when I was in college as a freshman, I wind to a referee that I had gotten feld and there had been no call late in the game on a crucial play. The ref turned to me and replied, son. You aren't good enough to ask for calls? Grow up. So we got a bunch of different people getting this in pickup situations. What do you think is this qualified as good trash talk? Bad trash talk. Would you ever deploy it in a five on five game? You're always trying to. Tell me are you could beat me what I'll want because I moved slowly if I hit a jumper in your face, and maybe did a little like silencer celebration. Would you spit back at me? Grow up Gulliver. First of all, I want to say, I'm very happy that Mike Trudell was able to recover from that burn and go on chestful career. I've sure I would've ended it really could have all ended right there. Because the grow up is one thing. But to say, you're not good enough to complain about that call and look no shots at Mike. But the ref was probably telling the truth statement was probably accurate, and that's those are the birds that hurt the most at so really crit stuck with them. But it stuck with them. You could tell like he's gone over it. But we don't know if he's fully processed the fact that he remembers that I've probably been told the girl up dozens of times, I just can't really recall. So clearly this has been seared into his memory. Yeah. Grow up on the court is. Actually, pretty good trash talk. Because it is. It is pretty demeaning to tell someone that they're acting like a little baby. Yeah. It it's not really a good comeback. Like that was what I was thinking during katie's press conference to like what were the reporters supposed to say? Kevin we are grown. What do you do? You know, like, it's not really an out. Yeah. All right. Here's number two. This comes from Ben more. Would he writes I had just gotten off the plane from Orlando to Miami? And as a me, and my friend were boarding the next plane. We saw Timothy Mosca getting on the same flight. We couldn't believe it as we walked by Moscow on the plane, my friend, tried to sneak Lee take a photo of him and Moscow just looked right back at them with this blank stare like come on, bro. We then got to our seats. And we're only about five rows behind mosque off, and my friend just deciding look I've gotta give video of the back of Moskovsky head. So he's standing up and using his cell phone camera to take photos. I'm sure MAs Goff knew he was there. But he wasn't even turning around to video was just of the back of his head. Head adapt point other people were looking around. I was starting to get nervous and I had to drop. The fateful phrase. Come on, man. It's only Timothy Mosca f-. You've gotta grow up, my friend, didn't really listen and continued to follow him into the baggage terminal after the flight, that's the end of the story. So what do you think and you is publicly stocking celebrities caused for growing up or is that fair game? No, it's definitely caused for growing up. I'm glad that this emailer. He intervened. So that MAs gov. Didn't have to sure that would have been incredibly uncomfortable for him to turn around and see someone five ten. Craning his neck to get video of the back of his f-, just as a pretty bleak situation you've laid out there. He could have got video themselves getting punched in the face if that had gone south, you know. No. But you know, to my earlier point this story reminds me of a story of my own when I was flying back on the Red Eye from LA maybe five or six years ago. And I was on a flight with Dewan Blair it was before wizard seed, and so d one Blair and I were on the little train at Dulles. They have these little like buses that it's a bus not a train, but you go from terminal the terminal, and so it's six AM, and we're standing there, and I'm kind of looking over at him. And I'm like actually don't know who you are. But like he was carrying an NBA basketball first of all, and then also was on one of those little like segue type things they were like the JR Smith like floating scooter. I don't know do you. Remember that at all? Of course, I could you tell how many ACL's he had. Visible. Maybe it was for cautionary measure for old to one player. But anyway, so I was like this guy plays for the wizards. But I can't quite place him. And he kind of gave me a look where he was like, I know, you know, I play for the wizards. But like, it's six AM don't bother me. And I believe me a little he conveyed that with his eyes. And I was able to quietly to myself say look you've been around a lot of basketball players just play it cool grow up at. So I. Excessively? We both went our separate ways. I've never really reconnected with the Blair since that morning at Dulles airport. But yeah, people everybody who's above the age of twenty two should be playing it cool around like f list level basketball players like tiffy MAs gov. Dewan player. See this is why we do the lantern because you get this amazing life advice from Dr shark, and I think you should track down to one Blair try to have a reunion. I'm sure he remembers that situation. Okay. Andrew. Yes. Here's number three or four you from JR hosts, and it's easily the best one. He writes, I used to work summers in college at a beach resort setting a beach chairs and umbrellas for the guests one day, a guess call down for us to set up some chairs, and I happily did because that was my job when the guests came down. They be rated me for not putting any towels on their chairs we never put towels on the chairs to begin with after. Five minutes of yelling, they decided to take the towels. I was offering them and go about their merry way. The next day the very same guest call down and this time, they specifically requests that towels have to be on the chair. I went over to the chairs and stacked probably twenty towels on every single chair. I am six feet tall. And the towel towers were well above my head. When the guests came down. They didn't even walk over to our stand. Instead, he saw the towels and yelled out across the beach grow up. And then he went back up to his room without even using the chairs was he right? Yes. I did need to grow up. Did I care? No. What a story from JR hoods. And so here's my question. And you have you ever been in a situation where you've been willing to risk your job to prove a point like that. Because I I came away from this story from JR hose and almost off admiration of how far he was willing. I mean, he's almost like a political protester with these towels. No, look, I to me the moral that story is that sometimes you don't need to grow up. And sometimes you do need to make a really immature petty point. And just take a stand against the Astles of the universe. And it sounds like that's exact-. What he was doing and he should be proud of himself and proud of his immaturity there. That's all we've got answer the lantern came through a big time way. We've learned when to grow up from you when not to grow up, and what a great slogan that is feel free to incorporate it in your daily life listeners. It's a good one we go. I'm really tired. So on that note, we at what I do wanna talk more about the Kevin Durant thing next week because I thought it was really interesting. And and there there is room to have some discussions on K D that we haven't already had. But and there's also a lot more from the trade deadline that we didn't cover on this scatter brained deadline recap. But Ben, I love you should tease this a little bit better because next week while we're going to bring back Andrew, it is all these clapback. Okay. Because as the listeners will remember all he win at K J K J fired back. We got ourselves into family argument of epic proportions. But guess what Angie we heard from all? From New Zealand. He may have even sent in pictures of himself hostage photos that I had requested. And this is the official tease. Check back at next week's first episode, and we will reveal all these huge message K Jay and the rest of the open floor globe until then Email US Open floor male edgy Moda com. Open floor male, edgy dot com. Check us out on apple podcasts by searching for open floor. That's two words. Find our page bang the five stars. We really appreciate it. We're also on the world famous radio dot com slash open floor. Check us out there. Don't forget go click Andrews calms, even though you read read them to you. 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Former Atlanta Hawks GM Wes Wilcox Talks Trades

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Former Atlanta Hawks GM Wes Wilcox Talks Trades

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A few months down the road ahead to bring on west Wilcox to break all of that down. And yeah, we're starting that conversation with Anthony Davis. The one guy who was not traded because that's still what's looming over the whole league. Yes. There is still entitled to be decided in the next few months and. Fascinating race in both conferences more than the west. But beyond that, Anthony Davis. He's going to have a new home eventually in July, and the Celtics will now be in it because he did not get dealt and that has all kinds of implications. Obviously for the pelicans for the Lakers, and for the Celtics you'll you'll be surprised I think the one interesting wrinkle in all this is that Wes Wilcox thinks that this was not all bad necessarily for the Lakers. There's a potential silver lining here that I think you're gonna find really interesting. So we get into all that in a lot of the other moves that happened at the deadline before we get into that as usual, my weekly plebe. 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And then we'll head into all star weekend and some fun stuff planned for that. So there you go without further. Do my interview with Wes Wilcox now joined by friend of the podcast, Wes, Wilcox west last time. You were on. I think we brought you in from Montana where you were building a cabin with your bare hands. Wrestling bears and ice fishing, where am I finding you today? Howard. Thanks for having me. And it's it's fun that I've moved to friend of the podcast now. This is great this. You get you get a sticker with that. For a bumper sticker for your car. Maybe a free trucker hat. We'll come up with something. You're definitely a friend of the pod. This is I think you'll get your at least your fourth. Appears you gotta be I do not have a leaderboard yet. But wherever what five I'm gonna make one and you were way up. Well, I'm honored. I'm honored. And and to answer your question. I'm sitting in my in my kitchen in Atlanta with stacks of papers trying to figure out and track all that happened over the last couple of weeks in the NBA. And and I'm kinda wishing I was in Montana trying to build a cabin. So. Yeah, you know, but it was either way you would be hunkered down indoors with a pen. And a lot of note pad paper, and you send me text me a quick photo. There's a a light blue teapot in the middle of the table, a laptop with like, multiple excel spreadsheets open, you can get you can this is the thing. You cannot turn off the general manager in you. You can't write you're that you had to be even on the sideline for now. You're completely steeped in this yesterday. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you love the biggest difference is you don't have any, you know, any seasonal employees or interns to help you keep it all. And and run your spreadsheets. And and my rudimentary excel skills to take a little longer, but we get there. And you know, it's just it. You know, we were talking earlier at the trade deadline is is probably the most fun of any period of time, you know, for for general manager or any fun office guy, really probably not so much so coaches 'cause they got to figure out how to implement these guys and deal with the loss of guys on like super short notice with no practice time. But from jams perspective, you know, so one time of year where you're singularly focused. You know, the draft you're dealing with trade. You got free agency a week away in, you know, in free agency in July. You got all sorts of stuff. You got, you know, summer league teams, you got potential staff stuff going on you have trades. You have you know, negotiations and multiple free agent. You know scenarios whereas on the deadline. You can be one hundred percent focused on very. Goals in very clear objectives, and it's just a lot of fun to juggle and navigate that space. And listen, you know, it's funny because every year there's all this. And then we have years that are duds used that. They're a flurry of like, you know, minor deals. Remember the year that like few years back where I think like ten point guards were moved at the last possible minute and most of them most of them were significant point guards. It was like, you know, the Jarrett, Jack, so the world or something and then yesterday, we actually had fireworks. And it's funny because the biggest deal that everybody I think was intimidating an Anthony Davis deal did not happen. And yet we still had one of the most riveting and just you know. Mind boggling chaotic trade deadline's in recent memory. I think five hundred seventy three players moved something like that. But it was like it was like three fourths of the league made at least one deal. I think so do do you attribute that to anything in particular is is that LeBron having left the east? And so there's obviously the the power struggle now in the east, I think that that was at least a part of this. But when when three fourths the league are making deals and a lot of significant ones, what does that spell to you any unifying theme yesterday? Yes. Oh, absolutely. Lebron going to the Western Conference. There's a race for the east, you know, everybody. Well, the top four teams clearly think they have a chance to win it. And and, you know, Indiana should be in there if not for just a terrible injury that they dealt with with all the depot, but but you know, Boston Toronto Milwaukee Philly. Boston's the one that that kind of you know, sat it out a little bit. They're probably the deepest of the teams, and they have Hayward that if it weren't continues to improve or make progress, you know, he he could be looked at as a trade deadline acquisition. So, you know, every team made, you know, has an opportunity to to improve based upon what they did, you know, the last you know, in the last couple of days. So absolutely the the race for the east. The other big headline is, you know, just how quickly things change in the NBA. You know, Houston is not what they thought they were, you know, Chris Paul injury contract tough situation. You know, they moved a bunch. Of money for the tax Washington. John wall injury. You know, auto porter trade realization that you know, they maybe have underperformed and all of a sudden they're moving players in money to get out of the tax. And then you know, you have teams that are absolutely focused on twenty nineteen free agency something that has been a major theme throughout and and teams aligning to to that priority. You know, the clippers. I think we talked about the first or maybe the, you know, the last time we were together they got to fifteen and six start third in the west at the at the time just a great story since then they're, you know, fifteen and nineteen or something along there. I guess fifteen and twenty clued last night, and they made a, you know, they're one of the more interesting teams make an fantastic decision. They're not gonna chase eighth. They have clear priorities in twenty nineteen free agency. They've maximized. I mean, really Blake Griffin in a way that if some of the best you. You know, general managing we've seen in the NBA. It just so interesting. We were talking about and celebrating the clippers early for what they did to build a competitive roster navigate what they've done. And now, I feel like we gotta talk about them for a whole nother reason they can like a very clear decision with what what I love to call just north star. They know exactly where they're headed. And what their priorities are. And they're gonna make decisions based upon that. So those would be, you know, the the the big themes that that jump out as we kind of try to digest all that went down over the last couple of weeks, and I want to circle back to the clippers. And I'm like you. I'm really impressed with what they're doing. How very clearly focused. They are. They know what they're about. They know what they're moving toward. And the the irony, of course, is that two years in a row they have offloaded essentially their best player at the deadline Blake Griffin or a little before the deadline for Blake. But Blake Griffin, and then Tobias Harris who had gotten to Blake deal, but it is all pointing toward a specific clear. Mission. Which is of course, they wanna get one to two max players the summer while also retaining a level of competitiveness and a very solid roster. So that a star is coming to something and not an empty cupboard. And anyway, I'm very impressed with a lot of what they did. Let's get back to them a want to start with the trade that didn't happen. I don't want to spend a ton of time because so much so much oxygen has been spent on Anthony Davis. But I didn't expect a deal to go through. I thought for the whole time that this the the pelicans best move was to to wait. And that's certainly what they're doing. So let me just try this. Let's let me, you know, we'll do the role playing version of this. You've you've been in front offices for a long time. I want to place you in their roles. You are Magic Johnson and rob Pelinka on today. Friday, February eighth and you didn't get Anthony Davis. What is your thought process? What are you feeling right now? If you're the Lakers, you in some ways, you have to be, you know, somewhat concerned because obviously Boston is now in the mix for Anthony Davis, and that's a real competitor. However, you know, it's hard to say that acquiring Anthony Davis via trade at this trade deadline was their second best case scenario, but when you really peel it back, I think that's the way you have to look at it. So though, yes, there's some concern if you're the Lakers because Boston's in the mix your best case scenario is actually now available and that's signing kyri as an unrestricted free agent. And then trading all of your pieces, which would be Lonzo ball Ingram, Wagner calc who's much Josh heart and all your picks for Anthony Davis at that point, which fans that works by the numbers that math works. And so so the what what makes it so interesting, of course, right is. If career were to leave and go to LA, then theoretically Boston's not gonna you know offer their entire package for Anthony Davis. So that creates or eliminates maybe Boston from the Anthony Davis sweepstakes and probably narrow creates a better pathway more likely pathway for Anthony Davis to end up in a lay. So if you're the Lakers. Yeah. Absolutely. You wanna get a, you know, a fantastic trans like transformational player like Anthony Davis, whatever you can get them. But there's even a better case scenario. Maybe it's higher stakes. But that's what it takes to build. Great teams. That's that is probably the most optimistic Laker scenario. I've heard I mean, it's obviously is based on on the predicated on the idea that is actually interested in a reunion with LeBron. And that those murmurings around the league are more than just that. Is. I mean, it's a fascinating scenario. Do you think it's a realistic one? Yeah. You know, we see were unions in the NBA unlikely reunions all the time and so- career is not the LeBron couple of weeks ago. You know, that has been confirmed that I I'm not suggesting that this is going to happen, but but it's a realistic pathway and to build a great team for LA. So so it's hard to measure what what each individual players playing a special or thinking, especially like we haven't dealt with the playoffs and what happens in the playoffs, especially in the east is going to be fascinating, you know, but going back to this summer on the Lakers. You know, I I remember us having a conversation about whether or not the Lakers were a playoff team. And how good they're going to be in men. Did they make good off-season decisions or not and you know, Christmas time that their fourth in the fourth in the west playing great LeBron gets hurt. And clearly the teams, you know, taking a step back in his absence. But it's just it's amazing that there's all this talk yet. There is absolute upside for the. Acres. Yeah. And there's and there's real downside in that. Anthony Davis could certainly goes just go. Join Kyrie in Boston. It's the easiest pathway to a deal. The you know, the I think the Lakers front office has made a lot of good decisions. But no one is more proven than Danny Ainge. Danny Ainge has done a fantastic job. And I wouldn't bet against Boston landing. Anthony Davis to pair them with kyri and the other pieces they have I'm just saying it's an interesting pivot point when when you have to deal with, you know, July first and Kyrie gets to make a decision prior to Anthony Davis prior to an Anthony Davis trade actually happening. I gotta think though been before move off the Lakers. I gotta think that while there's a scenario or maybe multiple scenarios where they come out of this doing just fine. There's gotta they have to be stressed out about this that their window to do this without Boston being involved without design. Williamson pick being involved without other. Teams deciding to jump into the mix after the season. Because now, hey, look it's teams that didn't think about it before my think about it now because you know, they they they're they're young core did not perform as well in the playoffs is expected. So now, hey, what if we package our guys for Anthony Davis? Maybe you know, Denver gets in the mix or something. I got to think that that's a stressful thing for the Lakers. And also if they don't get Anthony Davis. They've got their one max slot. But I mean, the the clock is ticking on the brawn, and maybe they haven't made the playoffs this year, and we get to the summer, and there's that added layer of scrutiny criticism. That's coming their way. Or maybe you know, they flamed out in the first round, which is probably likely anyway. And if it's not Anthony Davis than it. Is it starts to become the well, then who you know? It's I think it's a little scary right now for the Lakers, isn't it? Yeah. So the the the it's fun to paint these like realistic scenario one zero to scenario three which we can talk about the Lakers and every three trying to sign Anthony Davis in twenty twenty waiting another year beyond this one which is. Less likely pathway, but the second part of this is you have to assess probability, right? What is the probability that scenario was going to happen? What's the probability scenarios two's going to happen? And that's how oftentimes, you know, finished of margin to to build a great team. So you gotta take risk to do that. And so you might operate in the scenario where. Yeah, there's a ten percent probability that you could actually pull it off. And and so when looking at the Lakers. Yeah. I mean, the reality is the New Orleans pelicans get to make their decision and there are free. You know players in free agency that are going to likely impact what the potential yield is Anthony Davis trade that we've already talked about. And so two uncontrollables for the Lakers. If for some reason, this would just be the simplest most clear path. Like we talked Anthony Davis to Boston. And now all of a sudden the Lakers are looking at this with max room and Kyrie stayed in Boston. And I it gets really tough. For the Lakers really quickly within you know, with a young group that really hasn't hasn't performed. 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Forced so the full forty eight now on the beach report app, apple podcasts and Spotify. Probably easy. If you're Danny aines right now. How are you feeling? What are you thinking about the scenarios? I think you're feeling like, you know, they got through the big date that they needed which was you know, yesterday. And then for some reason there's this talk because like on net when you look at the Celtics they're what third or fourth and their fourth right now in the east, and so man, the Celtics have underperformed, but they started ten and ten since then I think they have a second best record in the NBA at twenty five and ten and on the season they have their third in net rating. Plus, they have the Gordon Hayward opportunity to improve and Jalen Brown has played much better lately, which is a big deal for them. So like, if you're the Celtics you've got to be thinking about look, let's just continue the play that we've played in the last thirty five games throughout the rest of the season. Make a great run in the playoffs. We're going to have a great story to tell and we have. The best package for Anthony Davis in trade. So you gotta be feeling great. If you're the Boston Celtics, and they're the one contender in the east that did not make a move at the deadline. But I feel like you're the one contender in these that didn't need to because I felt like from the start. They were the team that had the best one through eight one through nine talents to start the season. It was just a matter of chemistry and that was bumpy for a while. And it's getting better and they're getting healthier. And Gordon Hayward is getting more Gordon Hayward. So yeah, they they're in great shape. The one caveat on them has always been and tell me you give me the how you general manager thinks about this. A lot of what happened over the last ten days or so was politicking rumor-mongering leaks. All this stuff all trying to create this haze that well if anybody else acquires Anthony Davis, you're not gonna be able to recite them, and especially you Boston. And so you have Anthony Davis senior coming out and using Isaiah Thomas as the. Reason why his son shouldn't go there or or resign there. And you have all these other whispers of if he goes through his I would assume that any is not fazed by any of this. And it won't stop them from being all in on July. I should've give him any pause. It all does it mean. Well, I got a hedge my bets. So I can't put Jason Tatum on the table, but I can go with a lesser package. Like how what influenced you think that might have on? Whatever offers Boston makes July. I could be a whole podcast in and of itself. Right. Talking about the games that are played the misinformation, you know, the the attempts to build relationships, this it also kind of reminds me of like the restricted free agency offer sheet agent playbook right as soon as you sign an offer sheet, the agent comes out or someone I should say. But typically stuff is leaked to the media player. Doesn't want to return the player who signed the sheet often says like I don't want to be back with. With the organization, and this is one of the reasons why chip separation between front office and coaches so valuable because the front office guy, the GM can be the bad guy. Yep. Sorry, we had to play it out. We took you to offer sheet. And then the coach comes around and the man, you know, I'm sorry, the foreign office did that to you. But you know, what let's just you. And I do the best job we can for you and your career. This is I'm talking after of course, we've matched the offer sheet, and that's the playbook. And so if you're looking if you're the camp of Anthony Davis, and you're trying to get to LA that's your number one priority that that may be your number one priority right now. Now, we get past the trade deadline, and all of a sudden, you know, now, you're looking at a the chance to go to Boston potentially. Maybe you're most realistic scenario your best pathway, my gut is it's a little bit like the player after a matched offer. She talking to the coach it's going to be, you know, Anthony Davis looking at Boston probably saying, yeah. That could be a really good team. And I'd probably be really started to go play there. He he may not commit to twenty twenty. In resigning long-term. But I don't think that's gonna phase Danny aines at all Danny ainges is taking a ton of risk and building great teams previously. He's he's he's he's done a just a fantastic job. And you know, it it it certainly will be a part of the negotiation with New Orleans, and there will likely be a conversation with Anthony Davis and his representatives proud of trade, but my gut is that's not gonna that's not gonna prevent a transaction. I can't imagine. What either only wonder if it will if it will cause them to hedge bets on the size or quality of of the trade offer, they make you know? Yeah. And I you know, if you put all of the potential trade assets in a pool for Anthony Davis, right? Like all of Zion. Williamson included all the Lakers pieces all the Lakers picks and all the Boston pieces. We don't know what would be offered. But let's just in theory. Add Jason Tatum to the mix. Everyone evaluates differently. Jason Tatum would probably be the first ranked piece of able for. The uncontentious right for Anthony Davis now that Memphis twenty twenty one I that's unprotected based upon where the, you know, the decisions that Memphis is made in the future. That is lies ahead of them. You know, somewhat argue that Memphis, pick might be the second most valuable asset in the entire pool because it could potentially be the number one pick, you know, maybe somebody's gonna value Zan Williamson as as better than that. And maybe he'll be third on the mix. May maybe somebody would have ten because there's just risk in the draft. And now, where's Jalen Brown versus Kuzma versus ball, Zing Graham. But the point is theoretically Boston could be based upon one's interpretation of value. Boston could be sitting there with the three best pieces on in of all the potential assets available to New Orleans, and so to your point is, okay. So maybe they don't get a full commitment. But if they still offer two of the three maybe not all three of the three it's still better than five or six of the pieces that you might be able to get elsewhere. And one of the things that is really interesting in this is. This is this cannot be unsaid. It's not about want to t-. It's about quality, right. Like on net. It sounds great. Yeah. Four first round picks and three players. But if those are all just, you know, maybe fulltime rotation guys or maybe one or two time all stars. None of that is worth the potential little franchise player or two franchise players. If you could potentially give them the first round pick down the road or an all NBA player. And so it's just so fascinating. When you take a step back. Boston clearly has the package to get a deal done. It's going to be impacted whether or not, you know, they have a sense certainly of if Anthony Davis will stay or not. But even then I think Danny Ainge takes the risk. And even then if the package is a little bit less as you say they have the pieces to fill probably beat any of the package out there. So this is going to be a ton of fun to watch play out from a distance. It might not be so much fun. If you're in one of the three four offices, probably not although to get to the last member of this, you know, trio here. Putting you in the seat of del Dem's? You might be even more thrilled. And Danny aines right now. I mean, the stress of this is has passed. There's nothing you can do about it. Now, you have the awkwardness of keeping Anthony Davis. And now playing him under seeming some pressure from the league perhaps. And now you've got to worry about him just not getting hurt. But other than that, you know that on July first everybody is going to be at your doorstep with just the greatest bounty of trade SS that any any teams can come up with you hate losing Anthony Davis. So I don't want to minimize that. But that's water under the bridge already know, he's gone del Dem's. He he I assume you would agree he made the right move. And he's in a great position to salvage the franchise by having everybody in the pool. Everybody at the table in July. Yeah. You would I agree. Absolutely. And even take it back ten days or so whenever this, you know, trade request happened. You know, very like naturally that that request by Anthony Davis is absolutely. The best thing for the New Orleans. Franchise you peel back seven seasons in New Orleans. They've made the playoffs twice and they won one round. Now, certainly some of that is the factors that go into that playing in the Western Conference, if they were in the east like they were just, you know, ten years ago, or so it would have been a different story most likely, but but they're in the west injuries have played a factor. No question that they can't. So those are controllables on the flip side, you know, they've traded six of eight first round picks or something along those lines. And some of those have worked out like the drew holiday trade in the mirror Tich trade in the short run. Some of them haven't worked out like the ACC trade and the cousins trade, but of course, injuries plays into the cousins trade as well. So then you say, okay. So so what does this mean for our? Franchise, and you have to very quickly look up to Indiana and look at the model that and use them as the model for how to potentially maybe navigate this scenario and on top of that. Now, you've had a bar set by the clippers in yield for Tobias Harris, and based upon the reporting you could argue that the clippers got more for Tobias Harris than the Lakers were offering New Orleans in trade. And so that just you know, takes the bar up even higher. So I really truly believe that this is a great opportunity for the New Orleans organization to to to look to the next seven years. And though, of course, they're not gonna get on average most likely a player back as good as Anthony Davis. And I'm just talking about down the line with what those potential picks, you know, pieces may turn into. They may have an opportunity to build a different type of team with a little bit more depth that maybe as maybe more durable at a different time in the west that can, you know, arguably advanced further and more consistently in the playoffs, and they have the last seven years with Anthony. And that parts fascinating. Because that that view might change how they look at all these trade packages, right? Is that the one that keeps you relevant immediately is the one that's more of a slow build is that the one, you know, if it's Jason Tatum is he ready to be a franchise star immediately. If it's a trade involving Zion Williamson instead is that the, well, we're we're going back to square one, and we're just going to have to grow slowly over time. And I mean, it's it has fascinating in that regard because they will probably have a choice of different kinds of resets. And and we won't know exactly until we get there as move on from Anthony Davis. Because as I say, it's it's consumed a lot of a lot of oxygen, including the very big chunk of this episode already. But but it's endlessly fascinating. And we don't see top five players on the market. And and also in this in his fashion, very often, you know, especially with all the manipulations or attempted manipulations we saw coming from clutch sports and enrich Paul over the last couple of weeks. That was quite interesting. So that part's behind us the trade deadline's behind us is there one deal in particular that you said, wow. Like that impressed me not necessarily the biggest name or the biggest number of players dealt. But what was one deal that? You just said as a as a fellow team exotic that one was good that one really impress me, the Milwaukee Bucks. You know, made made a great trae for for mere Tich. You gotta give John Horst a lot of credit up there for what he did. You know, one of the one of the easiest things one of the most difficult things to do in trade is when you're trading a player that may be in your rotation for a different type of rotation player is just to try to, you know, make make accurate analysis of the of the net effect of that. So you have to take something away. And then you have to add something to your roster. And how is that all going to play out whenever you don't have to to to do that analysis, and it's just a net. Add and you don't touch your rotate. Those are those are the best trades. And so you know, what they did with marriage, and you know, making the kind of agreement with Detroit holding off rapid get into a third team. Really good work. You know, trading the four seconds for marriage. I love that move for them. I love it too. And I feel like he's a seamless fit. They're the biggest name to move in. Some regard was Tobias Harris, but I feel like whereas the Sixers now have to worry about. Okay. Are there enough shots to go around like the lineup looks phenomenal on papers, Simmons them bead Harris, Butler Rettig, but you already had Jimmy Butler kind of squawking about role and shots and offense of style. And you already had Joel Embiid saying, yeah, it's been tough adjusting to Jimmy. And now, you're throwing Tobias Harris who certainly while a much more reserved personality. He's not going to be squawking probably. But he's do definitely wants his shots and his role. And so I like that one comes with some caveats, I feel like whereas the mirror image acquisition. He'll just slide right in. Yeah. I agree. I and I like what Philly did. 'cause it's you we'll say it again. Like, you gotta take a risk to build a great team and for Philly that this could we could kind of peel back last summer and their loss of Ilyasova, Bella Ellie and decision making because they were trying to go after LeBron and the timing affect and maybe this is a little bit of a lesson based upon that because they're just gonna operate above the cap, and they're going to deal with bird rights, and that's much easier. Because you don't have the timing scenario if you're willing to pay the money, and so, but it's gonna be fascinating. Because you mentioned at all, you know, it's it's unusual to see a massive trade on a hugely significant piece, really workout midseason. You know, I I don't know if it's Rasheed Wallace to Detroit back in the day was is is a good example of one that certainly worked and ended up winning it. But I like the. The by Philly. It's it's a it's a huge added with a really good young player. But it's it's going to be it's going to be interesting to see how that big four fits together. And the financials of it moving forward is fascinating. Let me ask you about that. Let me go to cut you off. I I'm wondering about this part west. Do you think as you look at that trade at the moment happens, and we merely start thinking about Tobias Harris fitting in and roll adjustments. And all that. And he's a rental perhaps because the free agency how much of this do you think was about we're all in? We're going to go for it. And we'll we'll figure out the chemistry. But we just know that having the best starting five in the east, which maybe they have is our path to the finals versus how much of this was about you know, what we're still not really sure about Jimmy Butler long term. And this gives us another option in the summer where we've got the the bird rights on both these guys and if Jimmy decides to walk or we decide to let them walk. We've got another guy that we that becomes our third wheel with Embiid and Simmons. That that has to play into the decision making right scenario one of the off season is that this year works you wanna keep both you have a huge payroll. You figure that out going forward? That's the best case scenario scenario to is to buy doesn't work or Jimmy Butler doesn't work. So you pick one of them and scenario three would just be the kind of the choice of the other player or maybe you lose both of them and go try to get somebody else in free agency that that doesn't seem very likely. But absolutely it it there's optionality there's maybe a little bit of a hedge here by by Philly. And you know, it's interesting because you wonder if Minnesota was a net loser in this deal based upon you know, what what they got for Jimmy and the trade because the the clippers certainly seemed to get you know, you could argue it's three first round picks. And then seconds orces. You know, Minnesota really netting out Covington. Well, and that's why when I thought about like, you know, most impressive deals, I I'm almost of just go with the clippers like I love what they got for Tobias Harris. They guy who he's gonna wanna max. And you're you're you're trying to figure out where you're heading next as the clipper franchise, you wanna be all in on. The superstars this summer and Tobias Harris is a really nice player, but he's not gonna be your number one. Or maybe even your number two. And so rather than keep him. And then have to face that decision on a max for Tobias Harris that might lock you up. They move him. What they got for him to get. So it's the Sixers first rounder, which of course, it will be low in twenty twenty because the Sixers are a good team. So that's a bottom bottom ten pick in the in the first round, but they get that unprotected twenty twenty one first round pick from Miami. Which who knows what the heat will be two two drafts from now two years from now. So to get to I plus Landry Shamet who's having a very good rookie season. The this was I think the clippers got a better return overall for Tobias Harris whose an expiring then the Knicks gut for Kristaps Porzingis who's a restricted free agent coming off of his rookie deal, and who they still had control. Now, there are other factors involved. This is not just dumping on the Knicks understand. They also offloaded a bunch of salary and that was part of their goal. Each trait has its own parameters and its own goals. But the return that they got in LA because of that Miami pick. I think is in large part better two picks. Plus Landry Shamet says you say like three picks, whereas the Knicks if those two picks from Dallas might end up, you know, mid to low because the Mavericks presumably will be good with with Luca and porzingas together. I just I love what the clippers did. And again, as we we opened up with it shows, very clearly what they are trying to accomplish a lot of assets in hand, they can get into the Anthony Davis sweepstakes to now with all the picks that they own plus plus players and Shakeel just Alexander. And if they don't go that route they've got the making. A nice young core. And the ability to go one or two max is this summer. Well, what if they resigned to buys hers this summer? Right. What are the restrictions? Does. All the restrictions reset July. I can they signed him back. Yeah. I mean, it's a unless I could be I I don't think I'm this speaking on this one, it's a trade. He's a free agent. They can they can sign him. So I mean 'cause we always have talked about that previously. You like, you know, do you try to play on expiring? Maybe just be able to have the option to respond back this summer and get both. But the other thing with the clippers to all I agree with all of what you said that. But it there's an acknowledgement of the difficulty of timing in free agency there without question, the clippers would want to be able to re-sign Tobias Harris, but probably there's scenario two or scenario three. And and so they the conversation goes like, hey Tobias. We love you. We want to resign. You accept. We're going to have to go up to these other guys. I. Can you wait? You guys them our names than you. Exactly. Can you wait a couple of days? And so now you go to the free agent market place. And this is why understanding where the money is. And who has the roster spots or the need the positional fit is really important, and you take a look, and yes, some teams like Sacramento and Chicago have spent their money this off season, but other teams have increased their money this off season, right? Like the Knicks like you mentioned a minute ago in Dallas, recreating cap room and in the Harrison Barnes straight. So you're sitting there and you're saying okay on net. There's ten teams of max room. There's on-. There's eight true max players. A number of those players are going to go to to the teams that have multiple slots, potentially like, maybe New York. So that takes two of the guys out of the mix. So now, you have six max players for nine teams and very quickly. You get to that second tier which and I wanna be careful here. The second tier is just all star level. But I here is like franchise level. Kevin durant? Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard. The second tier free agency is the all star. Level but Kemba Kemba Walker. I would put in the franchise level for because what he means to Charlotte. But the second tier would be the Chris Middleton Tobias Harris level of player, right? The near all-star level. Maybe the one two three time all star level guy. And those guys are the guys that often benefit the most infre- agency when there's a ton of room because of this exact timing issue because someone like much to say Utah who's a little bit further down. The list is not is not in play for those top tier free agent. Guys. Utah may say, you know, what we're gonna go prioritize Tobias Harris knock on that door and offer him a max contract what he begun. He'd be great there. Right. And then the clippers are saying, but no, no, we like you. But we need you to wait and Tobias is gonna go back. This is one hundred fifty million bucks for I don't know that I can hundred and forty million dollars. I don't know that I can wait. And so it's it's the difficulty of trying to navigate the timing of all of this. And that's why I think part of the reason you saw the clippers do what they did in making. This decision, and maximizing it, and who knows how it plays out this summer, if timing doesn't go their way and players do sit out and wait, by the way to shut up the Sacramento Kings who were the other day that was the deal. I really liked a lot. I'm not not the biggest Harrison Barnes fan in the world. But like he's a he's a very good player. And I also just like what it signaled that the kings were not satisfied just to have done a very good job. I think of recovering in the wake of the cousins trade and trade looks better all the time. And they have this fun young team that seemingly is on the rise. And they could just sit back and say, you know, what we're not quite there yet, it's fine. If we don't make the playoffs yet. We're we're young rebuilding refund. Fans are are back in our corner there enthused. They could have just kicked back and just done the slow build and to add Harrison Barnes by just giving up some expiring 's and say, no, we're making the push the clippers are taking a step back. The Lakers are still shaky. We got a chance to make the playoffs here. I mean, I I love the fact that the kings of all teams that I did not expect to be. A buyer that was that was really good to see I agree. I thought the kings had a really good really good week. You know, this also could be view as them spending their max room that they have now right with optionality with some Barnes rows a team. That's not a destination. Exactly, right. Like, it's hard to believe that they're going to be able to go sign one of those, you know, a player for twenty five or thirty million dollars. You know, one of those top tier guys in free agency. And so sometimes you have to pay a little bit more for a guy like that. But when you have the aren't FOX on a rookie scale contract or able to do that. 'cause when you net out the three, you know, buddy healed as as a opportunity to extend this summer, you can probably net net out on average what you would pay for, you know, a really high level back court when you're offset by the rookie scale or the, you know, the maybe a little bit of a depressed market because research the free agency. So I agree with the kings. And the other thing is you got to believe that the vac as a minority owner of the Golden State Warriors knows Harrison well. Because he didn't move. He didn't by the the kings until you know, I think it was may of twenty thirteen and Harrison was drafted in the seventh pick in two thousand twelve so there's probably some familiarity there and then with the player option. This could be great for Harrison. 'cause you know, maybe now he opts out maybe takes a little bit less. Maybe he takes the same. But just extends over time and Lacson his money this good deal for the kings. I agree with you make a push try to win. 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I think were were fairly straightforward, and you could see. Where they were going. But is there one I can think of a couple of lease. But is there one that to you? You said not sure I'm buying exactly what you're trying to accomplish there. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish there or or you just flat out didn't like the deal. I think a little more complicated in some ways. I would probably say Memphis in general. You know, I I was surprised that Mike Conley. Didn't get traded because there was a number of destinations that just on paper, you know, and with with fit and roster and find financial sense. I thought that Memphis would would trade Conley. The sole trade, of course, like on net. You could almost argue that they just diversified the contract of Kosovo bringing back Valance Eunice and C J miles both player options who knows maybe they opt out, but in theory, they could have just they they essentially just broke the contract up into two pieces, which which that does help because you can potentially move. Those two pieces easier, and it also speaks to the fact that maybe they were a little too late on gazelle versus you know, dealing him. When when he may have had more value, and this is also really fascinating. Because one of the things we get to see at a trade that line is how teams think through their decision making. Sometimes it makes sense. And sometimes it doesn't and you also get a great feel for your internal value of a player and your external value of a player as well. As like the tactics of negotiation, and we all internally hold our players, really high. But ultimately, the market tells you what your players are worth. And when you don't have a realistic sense of of how that fits oftentimes, you can get stuck. And or if you don't have a great sense of who your team realistically is. And I would you know, one of the things that is more head-scratching is the is the Justin holiday trade, you know, they trade to second round picks the Memphis grizzlies try to second round picks for Justin holiday, and then that that was just about a month ago as a buyer, and you would think that he'd be able to move. On again. And and maybe his value. Maybe that's why Chicago made the move because they were clearly the grizzlies were clearly paying a premium for Justin holiday that. You would think would then get removed at the deadline of team was kind of. Big knowledge that maybe they're not as good as they thought they were and then on the calmly piece, the part that is interesting for me, as you know, there was a clear deal. You would think with with Utah just the way the numbers work. And you know, we were talking about the total aggregate salary between, you know, Donovan Mitchell, and and commonly would add up perfectly for the three years until Donovan had just hit hits his big number. So on net, you know, the financial management for Utah made a ton of sense. And then on top of that like the the risk of colonies injury history. You know, my concern for the grizzlies is what happens if if he gets banged up here in a way that maybe as mine are maybe significant I mean, whatever whatever the net yield could have been that could potentially go away based upon injury. So I I think the Memphis ones a little confusing on the flip side you can easily say for from Memphis perspective that you look into the free agent market place. And you know, there's only two max free agent point. Guards in Kemba and Kyrie and there's a lot of teams that need point guards. And and there's typically more liquidity in the off season when these teams strikeout, so so this could absolutely end up making sense for Memphis down the road. I just think there's risk between now. And then and you're absolutely right. I totally agree in July might find a new home for for for Conley. And get the kind of deal that you want. But it just to me everything about Memphis. The last couple of years has been baffling it just they've held onto Gonzalo Conley. Too long and easy for me to say, I'm not the one who has to deal with season ticket sales and heartbroken fans, and these guys are icons, and and members of the community that are that are, you know, rightfully, you know, have a very big place in the heart of Memphis. I like, I I don't minimize any of that. But as a basketball matter if feels like they held onto them too long, the you're right with the the the trade from a few weeks back offloading to for two two second round picks for a player who it looks like you're getting because you're you're thinking we're still making a push for the playoffs. And then a few weeks later. It's like, we're pulling. The plug and we're sending out one of our franchise icons. I mean, it just doesn't seem to be that clarity as we were talking about the clippers who have this clarity of their vision the grizzlies keep getting caught between it was the same thing with not selling off. Tyreek Evans a year ago at this time when there was interested in him, and they was like they were insisting on a first rounder or nothing and they held onto him. And then they lose them in free agency. They just it feels like there's just confusion there the other one. I'm not sure about I'm not sure about either end of the auto porter trade from Washington to Chicago. I mean, I do think Washington deciding in the wake of John wall's injury and surgery to pull the plug a little bit, you know, offload Puerto salary. I get that the return. I'm not sure about offloading Morris. But I I I'm not sure what the bulls are thinking there. That that one was the other one that kind of just I recalled my brow over a little bit. I'm also not sure what the clip the Lakers are doing sending zoo boss to the clippers for Mike moose gala any thoughts in either of those deals. Yeah. The the the zoo botch, one that was a little, you know, head-scratching as you say 'cause zoo botches really played well lately, but but I think there's a clear argument that if you think, you know, Mike Moscow has a better three point shooter creates more space than zoo bots than you know, that's short term move. And and maybe the Lakers, you know, don't think they're going to be able to re-sign zoo botches restricted free agent. This summer don't wanna deal with his qualifying offer, which there's not much risk there. But maybe the cap hold you're going to have to renounce him. And so so because of that you don't think you're going to be able to deal, you know, value him now. So you make short term move to create more space, maybe a better fit. And who knows maybe there's a there's a buyout in play with the Lakers. You know, that's been rumored that maybe as mellow may. Maybe it's another frontline player who knows? So the Lakers wanted to little is a little interesting, but I can see a pathway that that makes sense for them. Even though I am a I've been very impressed with the play of zoo botch, and I like that that trade for for the clippers again. Washington chicago. I agree. I think this is a little bit more of a scenario where Chicago similar to to Sacramento is that they're spending their free agency money. Now, you know their maximum team. They probably weren't going to be able to play in the market, and they add a piece that fits in theory in the roster. How my biggest concern without a porter is not really the player because he's been a very good player. But it's more the injury. And how that impacts his productivity is a player that would be my biggest concern. 'cause I if auto porter is one hundred percent healthy, you could see a pathway for that to make sense for Chicago. But but again, he he has not been and so there's real risk there for the bulls. And then Washington, I agree similar to a little bit of Memphis. It's just the it's hard. But sometimes teams play themselves out sometimes teams just kind of you know, cap out. And it's so interesting like, you know, we meant I think we mentioned at the top of the podcast, you know, how quickly things. In the NBA, you go from being really excited about John wall extension to now this this injuries or age, or whatever it may be in the future is is is bleak there in Washington, and it it's also interesting in that, you know, you talk about do you want to rebuild or not? And sometimes you don't really have a chance what you just end up with a really expensive team. That's not that good. And because you maybe you run it out a little too long. So it's gonna be really interesting to see I I like the move together attacks to create flexibility to find new ways to build your team. But as you said, you know, I thought there might have been a reason trade, but it sounds like there's now a pathway to keep a reason because you've moved the money for auto porter. And maybe that's a better fit for them going forward. Lay ahead for the for the for the wizards, and Memphis, and it really just the tough the difficult place to be in the middle of the NBA and to be expensive in the middle in the NBA is where it really gets tough. And by the way, the guy who's the most important member of that franchise is Bradley Beal, probably that's been the case for awhile. And certainly is the case is indisputably now, and he's got two years left on his contract. But I can't imagine Bradley Beal's real happy there. And when we talk about, you know, Anthony Davis situation, which came on the heels of Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, all these guys who've been forcing trades or leaving in recent years. Maybe that's not Bradley Beal's personality. But I can't imagine that he's happy with where things or there. And I can't imagine that it will go much longer before. Like, he's the next guy that we're going to start to hear murmuring or clamoring to to get out. I'm not saying that with any Intel. I'm just saying it's only logical. This is today's NBA, and he's been there a long time an MBA terms and his in his in his prime and that team feels dead in the water. So there there consequences there couple before I let you go. I wanted to talk to just about like. I don't want to get to one key here. But. Oh, when whenever somebody says that then it's gonna get wonky. I know right now, it's the first time I've used the wonky in a long time monkeys a great word parents. It sounds like what it is process versus outcome. That sounds like I sound like some frigging philosophy resulting. There's something love it. Well night. Yes. But it's process versus outcome in this regard. I want they want to get in deep on the Porzingis trade because Chris Mannix, and I hashed it out at nauseam a week ago. But they make trade that offloads their Twenty-three-year-old all-star to offload contracts with him to create double max cap space this summer. Okay. We we all judge it through different prisons in the moment. Should we be judging the trade in the moment or should we be judging based on outcome? In other words, if they get Durant and Kyrie do we say, okay, great based on that? It was a phenomenal trade if they miss on both of them ended up overpaying for a couple of lower or mid tier guys or just strike out entirely this summer and porzingas ends up being fantastic. Next Luca, and is healthy, and he's back to his old self then it's a bad trait. Should we be focused on the eventual outcome in which case we hold off judgment as as if anybody would ever hold off judgment? But if we this is the proper. Judgment made later based on whether or not they may the gamble for free agents paid off or do we base it on the actual fundamentals of the trade is we saw them a week ago where you say, you know, what this is way too risky, or this is the proper amount of risk or you gave up on porzingas too soon. How do you how do you view that that balance in terms of how you judge a trade while? This is fascinating. I mean, resulting versus process is being this is like a psychological books written on this and tons of podcasts alone dedicated to this. You know, you have to have great strategy. But then you have to have great execution. This takes me to the draft. You know, like e there's two parts of the draft you have to identify the pieces, and then you have to go acquire them. You know, we we here in Atlanta a number of years ago. You know, we we we were able to identify some players that we thought were going to be really good in the draft. But we weren't able to get them. So we do a good job. Or did we not do a good job? And maybe you actually under evaluated them. Because if you thought they'd be great, then you would be more aggressive in your acquisition attempt. And so, you know specific to the Knicks. I like in some ways I like the strategy. It's like it's like the clippers. They have a long term view. Okay. If they're able to execute on that strategy, effectively then you'd have to say. That that's the that's the combination of process, and that's a combination of execute of process and planning, and and they get great grades on it on the flip side. I think you can be okay. If it doesn't work out for them, if they have a great process, and though it just didn't the execution didn't work. There was a specific plan. And you know, what players have the right to choose. They went elsewhere now as it relates to the porzingas thing, the the part that is a little bit confusing to me is how much and I don't know that this has been talked about a lot. But how much that it seems to be the trade requests seemed to be seems to be referenced by the Knicks. If this was just about their plan. I don't think you'd be talking about the the porzingas trade frayed requests as much as you would be. I think you would certainly mention it. But you would it'd be more about look we have a plan this helped us achieve our objective. Certainly Kristaps was what asked for trade, and we were able. To to make a trade that helped us achieve our objectives to set us up long-term, not now, maybe they maybe that they said that maybe it's just semantics, but it seems like there's a great deal of focus on this trade request, which satisfying trade request seems to be a little bit of a justification for the decision making. And so it's really hard because you really don't know what the strategy is. We can all think we know and we can decipher based upon decision making with the strategy is and certainly execution is gonna play a role in that. But at the end of the day and the NBA it's a results driven league. And you can have the worst draft process in the world. And if you draft a guy beat luck or be you did well, and you know, you evaluated one out of thirty players, really. Well, then then you're a success. And so, unfortunately, I it's a it's a results driven league though process over time and good strategy and good execution is what typically builds, you know, great team. Teams and enduring runs and lasting, you know. Or just, you know, historically, great franchises. No, that's that's that's a great explanation of an integrate analysis of it. And you're right. The Detroit request part of it factors in in a different kind of way, it colors the decision making in a certain way because it it. It's what the Knicks are trying to tell everybody is that this wasn't just a matter of we voluntarily woke up one day and decided to move off or zinc. Although I do think there's this. There's a little of both here. There's certainly porzingas wanting to be somewhere else. For a variety of reasons. But also that the Knicks themselves had their concerns about him. They might have done it regardless and friend, frankly, that's where I come down right now after another week of talking to people about this deal. I think that with or without the trade request. The Knicks were ready to do this. And I think they're they're using his trade request to put more of the responsibility on him. So that they can lighten any potential backlash. But I do think that the Knicks. We're going to move in that direction, regardless that also think by the way, you just tell me if I'm wrong in this. If you've got a young guy under contract, and you've got control over over his his rights through restricted free agency. And he's not happy with you. If you believe in the guy, don't you do everything to patch up the relationship. I I mean, maybe they felt that they already exhausted all this possibilities. But he I don't think there's any scenario in which she was going to actually walk this summer. He couldn't walk this summer. But what she was going to resign. The qualifying offer play out the one year and take a chance on his own health. That that struck me as a bluff. So if you still believe in him, and you think he's a great piece moving forward to build around or to help attract other stars. I feel your first order businesses to do everything possible to patch up the relationship because there was no fear of him. Just walking away the same way that there was a concern of a Jimmy Butler walking away straight up free agency. You're Tobias Harris or any of these other guys who, you know, you do it because you know, they're gone, and they have the absolute ability do that porzingas didn't have that leverage. So. I don't know. I to me that's still the part of it that I have questions over is couldn't you have found another way through this. Do you have a quick thought on that? Especially if I'm wrong. No. I mean, maybe they did, you know. And maybe it just got to the point where where it was. It was kind of a relationship that beyond repair. I agree. The timing is what's unique and these restricted and no player, it would truly be unprecedented. You know, turning down to match contract extension or near max contract extension as a restricted free agent. You know, the one big one is maybe they know something about medical or have a feel for medical obvious all medical would have to be disclosed in the trade. And you have a right to physical the player. But, but maybe they just had a feel based upon you know, the durability of the player and their own kind of internal research beyond his specific medical situation. That's a big a big on known in this and certainly could have played into it. I it this is this is a fastener. Ating one 'cause you know on net. The yield is what you typically get right? You get expiring. You get financial flexibility. They create thirty nine million the room, you get a young asset or a young player you like Dennis Smith junior. And then you get draft picks. They get two of them one being unprotected, you know, but but it's just unique because he's all of what you just said and the strict restricted nature of it. And then the focus on the the trade request. And you know, what though going back to it? If they signed players free agency. This is probably going to be good strategy. Great execution if they don't sign players in free agency. It's probably going to be a huge miss. It's it's a fascinating play. I I will say though, I liked. I liked the gamble because it takes it takes risk to build a great team. But the other side of that Quyen is a lot of years of not being very good. So it's the good. The good news. Is Knicks fans are very patients, and they understand that even though they've hit the reset button and started rebuilding seventeen times in the last five. That it's okay. They'll get there. Eventually, I'm sure the to be quite quite patient in all this. It is the NBA is fascinating. 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2019 Trade season debrief

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2019 Trade season debrief

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Well, welcome to the hoop collective podcast. I'm tired. I'm here in Los Angeles with Rachel Nichols. And Andrew Han. We just finished you're tired. You. Rachel did three and a half hours straight. And then we actually on the second tomorrow. We won't say what we did. But we even went beyond three behind the curtain. We had the Andrei eight and pop in for a little segment that we post David will Aaron show. So it was like Rachel do three hour live show with no brakes. She's not by the way, the commercial breaks were what two minutes ten minutes. So there wasn't even like if she even wanted to go to the bathroom. She would have time. So and there was like two three hours of TV. And then hold on. We have tapes downs thinking for tomorrow hold on. We're gonna tape some Snapchat stuff. And then we're going to Dave tomorrow. But it's fun. If you're not into this, right? If you're not into today. I don't know why you're you're working in the sport basketball. I love this stuff. I love today. I can do another three hours of TV. I'm not kidding. Like, this is so fascinating to me. I thought it was incredibly interesting day. And it's funny right off the top of our trade deadline show. We saw the Milwaukee Bucks. Make a move to pick up Nikolay marriage and right away. And that block we said, wow. The arms race in the east is on. We saw what? Philadelphia Tobias Harris the next few hours. Let's see what Toronto does. And sure enough. Boom. Yeah. So we had always say the trade deadline season started. When Anthony day was ask for trade. So that was ten days ago. From from that trade. Demand till Marquel? Folks getting traded at about two forty five eastern today. We saw I think it was like twenty five trades or something like that. As you mentioned Kristaps Porzingis anymore. Twice Harris goes Marcus saw goes Markelle Foltz goes just a whole bunch of other moves in between. It wasn't the biggest name moved. But I feel like the winner of the day was the bucks. They were a team that. Are he was really good? They all all the head on their roster weekly free agents. There wasn't much to trade. And yet they figured out how to get this guy who fits perfectly, and I mean, we'll talk about other deals I, but I mean, I thought the bucks did a great job. Well, let me ask you a question about how much of an upgrade rate. So he's exactly the right kind of player for them. He's going to play perfect with the rest of their shooters with Janas compliment everything they had already built their team that way. So just from a basketball standpoint, maximizing an advantage. They already had how much more does he maximize it? Because really he's such a training. Thon maker for him maker didn't play every night. They've been playing DJ Wilson their rookie recently. So I think you had thought when they traded away on curb it was a vote of confidence. Soliloquy on TV like boy, this is great for DJ Wilson. They really believe in them shows concept. Shows concept narrator. It was not. But I assume he'll get some of those minutes and they'll play lineups. I assume with MIR Tichy and brook Lopez where Janas will have four shooters depending on who they've got in it at at the guard spots, but. How that was a hell of a deal for Milwaukee already. Streaking in first place. I'm very surprised that you think that they're the winner because the Toronto Raptors who are right there with the bucks trade from Marcus oil, which gives them a new a completely new element to their systems. Don't you think that they're the front runners in the east? Now, I thought that was a great trade to not only and we had a mixed sentiment. No big deal. And I was like really I thought it was a great trade. They didn't really give up that much for right? And if the raptors make it to the finals that forces them to play boogie more than they probably want you. Right. So maybe I think the way the raptors play already they play the flexible lineup they play sometimes the bucket center. And then they also play with us before he got hurt. I think there will be games. We're Kosov won't play that much frankly. But there will be where he plays a lot. Which is a nice luxury. I think they've given themselves flexibility. And you know, it's weird the raptors right now, I mean by the time his podcast post. Who knows they may find somebody because they made the traits today that were made a bit of three for one trade with Toronto with a Memphis. And then they trade it off Greg Monroe. They've got ten players on their roster. I'd never seen this before. Where are team after the deadline has ten players. They they're supposed to have fourteen. So they're going to Pell to sign four. I don't know if they'll sign five I've never seen anything like it. But they will potentially be able to improve their team even more so two things. First of all the quote of the day came from Robin Lopez in Chicago who said that after the Milwaukee Bucks trade he feels bad for Nikola Marich because miratec has had the quote superior experience playing with him. And now has to go play with Brooke so Rollo making it clear the in his mind. The inferior Lopez brother now is going to be nNcholas plate. I do think it's interesting to ask the players this as we talked about this arms race has developed through the afternoon. How would you now rank you love the market trade? You love the Toronto trade you like the Tobias Harris move from Philadelphia Boston didn't make a big deal today. But they did open up a roster spot. So we expect them to be active in the buyout market. Put your money where your mouth is Mr. hosted the hoopla collective who is the number one team to beat in the east. No, you don't know. I don't know. Can't you say, you don't know isn't that allow no? I'm not asking you to make a prediction. I'm just asking you in your sixteen years of covering this league. It's it's fun. When you say it, I like this. You've been covered. I'm happy to it's been. So i'm. I would say twenty two years three years somewhere in there. Once I hit the twenty Mark. I was so proud of myself. I was like with who. Twenty two years old. I know it's amazing end started covering it. As a newborn didn't say, I am proud of. How old I am. I'm proud to have make it made it. I'm proud of what I accomplished. I am not ashamed. I don't think women's shouldn't say their age or shouldn't say anything that reveals how old they are, dude. I have been around. So in vehicle depot. Story when they a depot hurt himself the unfortunate as soon as I heard the name of the injury. I was like oh, yes. I remember that that's the injury that effectively ended Charles Berkeley's career. Now, of course, Charles Berkeley was thirty six he was already in his farewell tour season. But I remember it because I was there that night and that was twenty years ago. And I was there writing for the Washington Post, and it was Charles Barkley's return game to Philadelphia because he was playing in the Western Conference. It was going to be his last game Philadelphia on this farewell tour, and I went to go see check and write a story about it. And I was there the night that he got hurt. And it's amazing got hurt early enough that he had sort of showered and changed and dressed and got in the news from the doctors that he talked after the game and talked about his to him. He was never playing handed up coming in at the very last game of the season for a couple minutes to play a sort of a farewell when he was the rackets, but to him that was the last game of his career, and it was amazing quotes. And it was. Wait for the Mariah at the the game was like. Yup, I'm done. I Torre this muscle. And I'm done, right. And I know all of this because when I did a Google search to be like Charles Berkeley injury career, ending what popped up. I was my story from the Washington Post. Rachel Alexander my maiden, right? But, but yeah, it was pretty capable told me go. Told me go where she was when Kennedy was shot. Let's go to have our three days ago. If you'd ask me, I would have said that the Celtics are playing the best amongst those teams. With the bucks being right there because the bucks are just devastating people right now. But I look at the team, and I think the Celtics may have the better team. But now I mean I haven't seen the Sixers play yet. But from man for man standpoint, holy hell. I mean, when I said about terrorist is he's not just an addition. He's a multiplayer. I feel like he is going to make a big difference on the floor for those other players give them more room to operate. Do. You think that that's true? Yes. Although I was talking to somebody yesterday. And I I don't want to not give them credit, but I don't have permission to use their name. So I meant say these many. But Tobias is a very high pick and role player like the clippers were one of the league leaders and pick and rolls, and he was screener, and blah, blah, blah, Butler going to be half points per possession off screens. The Sixers are not a heavy pick and roll team. Now that being said till by is very adept at going out and spending the floor being a spot of shooter in even creating a little bit. It's not that I think that he won't fit. But I will say that he is headed for a change in the way they play. But certainly look at what they have. And you're pretty impressed and you have to figure there by out. We'll get somebody. By the way, pretty stupid rising late move that Wes Matthews is going to go to the Pacers. I thought you brought up every good point on the trade deadline show, though is that some guys it's all my guy can get to the warriors. I want to win a ring the warriors have one spot. And I keep reading reports that they want to go to Robin Lopez. We'll have to see if by the time, you guys are listening to this podcast. The bulls of bottom out we have to see if he ends up going to the warriors. But nothing about assuming the warriors take someone else that who is not Wesley Matthews. You can sit there and say, oh who's a contender. I want to go to one of those teams or as you noted on our show today, if your guy who wants to get paid this summer, maybe you're looking for something else in your final three months of the season. It was Mathews has to get a contract. And while he looked to win a ring. He's got to make a move to get paid. This reminds me of Joe Johnson a few years ago. The Cavs who were defending champs thought they had Joe Johnson lined up. Laurent made a big head of recruiting pitch and Joan up going to the heat who weren't sort of the middle of the pack people couldn't believe it. And they said, oh, it must be best to want to hang on my end. I wanted to go where he we get more guarantee playing time. He had a great two months in Miami. Ended up getting a two year deal from the jazz, which was probably an overpay but had to get squeezed out. I think it was fourteen million. He got it was a good business decision. So I think we're going to have to we're going to see that in the next ten ten ten days or so. Obviously, I think the Celtics are big winner today. Kind of goes without saying what's in your sixteen years. If you had to rank I'm going right back at him. If you had to rank was about to go east teams this call her the the boa constrictor because you just slithers around. She doesn't let you know Roger Goodell. She doesn't let Adam silver. She let people off the hook. I'm not doing it. I'm pushing back back. Did your show? Me tomorrow. I thought the Celtics Serbia would've today because Anthony Davis wasn't traded. It can make an offer. Absolutely. I know that it's going to be complicated with Kyrie. But we have months to talk about that. There was a fear. Maybe it was twenty six percent. Maybe it was four percent. There was a fear for awhile in Boston at the Anthony Davis was gonna get traded this week. Yeah. Now, they got a new fear. It's fun in Boston. Oh, you're afraid. Anthony Davis is going to be gone before you can get him. Then you've got pretty much feel about the last couple of days. I was not going to happen. And now you got popping up. So, hey. I love the Dollar Shave Club has everything I need to look feel and smell my best. Always like vines small my best enter especially when we're doing a live Pat here. I definitely appreciate it. Because you have to have three hour show. It's always nice to have. It's always nice to. Okay, showcase. I'll thank you very much shaped pud has every shakeup as everything you need to get ready. No matter what you're getting ready for. 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Basically saying the way you guys work is messed up, and it's a it's a it's a crazy business and the way you guys are always focusing on our future, and everything etc. Etc. I understand where they're coming from. I get it. But both kyri and Kevin Durant. Have actively encouraged speculation about their future. I'm glad that did that makes the league so much more fun to be able to have this kind of speculation. Like, yes, basketball, also fun to watch. But there's this whole like shoulder industry of drawn in chess game share going on by the way, it's not just the media playing. It teams are obviously playing it. Because guess you just traded away the unicorn I mean, that's what's amazing to me. You have a guy who skill set is so special and unique that his nickname is the of art. So this is hey, I think is pretty good or whatever, and you trade him away for the prospect of maybe getting these two guys hundreds of millions of dollars worth of decisions are being made not in July right now, right based on these kinds of calculations. So of. Course people around the league are going to talk about it. I would also just say I do understand that the media involves a lot of people involved veteran reporters like Brian. It involves people you talk around Boston, kyri talks. Jackie MacMullan a lot. I know he really respects her. He's not including her in that group. I know that there's people who have just started working this week who may be asking questions aren't being asked by the more veteran reporters, I know that there's blogs I know that there's radio stations whose interests are. Maybe I'm gonna ask the shock in question. And therefore, I'm going to get my radio bit played or something. So there's a live different people in that group. But largely the media is a business that is powered by fans because it is all based on revenue, right? So if we are talking about things that fans of the game are interested in we will have viewership numbers radio will have radio, pops blogs, we'll have web page views. So the media isn't some like independent boogeyman out there. The media is really just an intermediary for what fans are interested in reading about. And here. About and listening to and I promise you if fans didn't want to know this stuff and it didn't sell and it didn't play. I promise you. We wouldn't be talking about it. Right. So so I have seen among some social media staff or just bands being like, yeah. Yeah. You're right. You media. And I'm like, you guys are the ones making the decisions, I promise you because the way the media works the margins or not that that thick in journalism right now. And we have a lot of reading on page views, and that is what they just when they go that tracks faxes now on like sixteen years ago when I started. I thought the to LA teams had a good week this week. I know everyone's folks on the Lakers with the okay, they didn't trait for him. They made two traits that I feel will help them. They got to shooters Mike Miskelly. Reggie bullock. They got rid of Michael Beasley. He was obviously having issues look Walden. Although I know it didn't just happen in the last week, but the last week was the title straw. And they opened a roster spot. I thought the Lakers had a good couple of days the clippers. If you really are. Okay with Tobias Harris leaving which they basically are. I don't know if they're going to get the free agents to replace Tobias. But not only did they pick up four draft picks to I two seconds. They made I thought I really shrew trade today with the with the grizzlies picking up Garrett temple Michael Green. I know this is not going to lead sportscenter, but they got off of Avery Bradley at his partial guarantee for next year clearing a little bit more salary cap space. It's not enough to open another max. Lot. But they they did good work this week their absolutely there's a huge difference to me in the gamble. The clippers took versus the gamble. The next took. So they both quote traded away their best player to clear space. Right. But the difference is Tobias Harris is a different kind of player. Great. Chris zingo? Susan a young all star again considered promising enough that if he comes back from his injury the way everyone hopes he will be a wheel special transcendent player in this league. They had him under as you guys like to say team control rate for for for quite at least one more contract. And that one more contract was probably let's my kid ourselves. I didn't have to be was probably going to be a multiple year contract Tobias Harris was in a position where he had an expiring contract. He was going to be a free agent this summer, and he has made enough of a show of himself this season. And really last since that trade from Detroit, the he was gonna command interest and money in the free agent market and the clippers new they could not go to him at twelve. Oh, one on July. First and say, here's your max. Deal because they are chasing. And they have opened to max slots for bigger fish. They are chasing letter. They are chasing. Kevin durant? So they would have had to look Tobias and say, hey, could you could you wait like six or seven days for us until makes his decision really important thing. Just my stuff, you're and Tobias. I don't know personally what he would have decided maybe he loves a clever, so she would have passed up other money for them to. But there these numbers going to be tired. But I don't I don't I don't think it would have been no one would have had biased him to wait around just in case. Kevin Durant or quieted? No. So that any offers he had also dry up, and then he would be left without a chair to sit in. So the clippers were in a position with what other goals have been for years. Now they've been building toward this summer. They really weren't in a position to keep him. Anyway. So if they could trade him to a team where they spilled alpha felt like they can't keep him this summer and Elton brand I spoke to him said, we're intented to resign him this summer. You can get more assets. Because Filadelfia feels were getting a long-term player back and by definition with the clippers overall strategy. He was only a three month more player for them. That is the ultimate hand to have in poker. If the if the card, you have just isn't as valuable for some reason to you, but it's much more valuable to someone else. Man. That's a great card to play. I feel like. If they get coli this summer, or if they get, you know. Durant? I don't think they're getting to it. Who knows? It will be deemed like, oh, this big giant moment. But actually, there was a dozen moves that led up to it in this. What they did last few days part of it. I'm in going all the way back to the Blake Griffin trade. Yes. That's where it all starts. Right. Might be anything about the Tobias trade is just that they send Bobi. Yeah. Until being man, sort of makes me think that it's like Markeith and Marcus Morris for a time where your package deal like here to buy us in Beaumont share Bank account like the Morris twins because that would be a little bit more imbalanced. Go don't play that John wick chick. Come back thinking cash cash money. Now, I thought that was nice to two forty five eastern. Markelle full Scott traded clearly the Sixers wait until the very last minute. Luckily, get lucky we get from ended up giving up protected I in the second and Jonathan Simmons who on may help them a little bit. He's rotation player. This is obviously one of the strangest sagas we've seen is. I didn't really make this connection in the moment on air. But do you think to Brett Brown work with Jonathan Simmons in San Antonio? Or do you think any little thin across pass? I do think look I love Jonathan Simmons. Indiana Tonio didn't he come in as like a trial player or something like that own for his own G league tryout came in had great success with them took the money, which I can't really blame him considering. That's his his story of how he made it into the league in Orlando, and obviously didn't work out for him speak so much to how much of this league for the eighty percent of players in the middle. Who are at the top ten percent are at the bottom. Ten percent. It is coaching. It is fit. It is who is around. You didn't do? So. Well in Orlando, I'm curious if with Gregg Popovich disciple Brett Brown, maybe he's going to be different kind of player. His marquel. Foltz going to spring forth from his exile. And from his injury start playing. I mean. It's way out of this. I will say that people said and Tim Bontemps as soon as he went away with the outlet syndrome. He said he's played his last game of the sixer. But absolutely right about that. We'll see if he's right about the Lakers not making the playoffs. He's he's sticking to that one. Real hard say that roster. The Dave mcmenamin Tim Bontemps showdown. It's going to be videotaped. Are we'll try and videotape. It I'm confident that the funny thing is there's a little things going on. So Bontemps came on this podcast said the criticized Kyle Kuzma and said he couldn't shoot three pointers which at the time you she'd like twenty nine percent on threes. The next two games moment like seven ten right? Okay. On three maybe even like eight for eleven pick. It comes on the podcast and goes, oh boy ever since tubs criticized about he's gone for eleven well since that time was like shooting twenty two percent. And by tracking it. So on is that there are only point of contention or is there because manifestation of their general disagreement on the Lakers in general, Dave seems thanks Lakers. Have more bullish right bonds top since we're not gonna make the playoffs and sticking to those guns. Very hard. I want video I want pay per view. I want everything I want the whole ball nine Andrew. Hi, this is you're you're a week. The trade deadline is over you have a week until all star. Now, we're all going to be in Charlotte in about a week eight nine days. I wanna see it. I want. I want a plan of action. I want an outline of action. I want you to approach this with the dedication. I know you're capable of all star weekend. Mcmenamin Bon temps and same room put it and they say. T get the jump guys to make you Photoshop great. This is far. This is fine. So folks did never play again. So here's the question is he going to spring forth and say, I'm ready to play my Rasic outlet syndrome has been addressed in. Let's go or is he still going to be in rehabilitation as he's been for the last two plus months? I don't know the answer. I mean, it's it's tough. Because I don't know. I mean, it's just this whole thing has been so hard to wrap your arms around. I don't know if it was you honestly or Ramona or one of our other fine reporters who pointed out that the recipe outlets syndrome is a diagnosis of omission. Where a doctor. It's not one of those things where you can do a test and be like thoracic outlet syndrome that basically it's one of those things where they eliminate this. They eliminate that they eliminate that. And they were like, okay, you don't have any of the other things it must be thrust. Alison drum the problem with that is that as we know there's an infinite number of things that can be gone wrong with the human body or mind. And I don't mean that there's a dig I mean at that it actually all works together. And so since I don't know how significant a part of his layoff through outlet syndrome is I don't know if he can spring forth. I think it's good for him to be in a place. We're not everybody's looking him. Being like, what are you gonna do? What are you going to do? What are you gonna do Orlando for better or worse is a more out of sight of the regular daily grind of the NBA only because they're not a contender now. But there was a time Orlando was in the conference finals on too long ago, and they will be Papa buying that. If they make it back to that. But they're not that now. So I don't think there will be the kind of constant media strategy not. Full-size media core in Orlando. There aren't just as many people kind of keeping track of him on a daily basis. I think it's amazing when you look at all the moves the Sixers if made just in the last week much less before that, can you imagine if they hadn't given away. If they hadn't forget that. They used it on market their number one pick Markelle Foltz it's that they had to give away their next number one pick to Boston just for the privilege of leading Boston draft Jason Tatum while they took Marquel. So if those two picks were back in their pocket, and they could have picked used that once of draft Tatum or draft thoughts or my God draft. Lonzo ball, right? Who we don't think is maybe the number two anymore. We could redraft. But boy, I would take him over a guy who played at all right now. It's just it's thing about the draft is so amazing. There's been hundreds of millions of billions of dollars spent over the years to identify the best way to draft somebody. And here we have twice in the last what? Citizen. Anthony, Ben and comment. I mean, the cats Puntland Anthony Bennett after one year they traded him after one year Marquel? I mean, we see guys who are projects who are kept three four years before team. You don't give up on them a year and a half. We have a punt Marquel fault. This is what's crazy about the draft. Is that you can get dotted Mitchell with the twelfth pick that can change your franchise, and you can draft one and maybe one out of every five or six years. It's such a disaster that you've done after a season. It does seem like. Nv what forty fifty years, and then be people haven't gotten any better grafting. They're so much more scouting. There's so much more advanced analytics, but it's still missed hit or miss at the time, we paging Sam hinkie here. Because I mean, the biggest misunderstanding about the process was oh tank at high draft pick pick. Well, go back what the process was about. Was you need at backs the process recognized that hey, drafting is an inexact science. No matter how many hundreds of millions of dollars you spend knowing what a young man is going to turn into two three four years down the road knowing how would we acted situation. He's never been in before is an inexact science. And so by definition Sam hinkie said if you only have even if you get number one overall if you only have one bite at the apple maybe the fifty percent chance of getting a write up. Sure. By the way, he worked out exactly how much of a percent chances of getting it. Right. I'm just throwing it out. But his whole thing the process wasn't just tank draft low the process was sell everything that isn't nailed down to get as many graphics as possible tank as much as possible to get as. Low draft picks as possible. And then if you have all of those at-bats you will strike, and guess what it worked because they didn't draft one hundred percent rain for Noel. So, but if you have four big huge swing at bents, and you go fifty fifty and you end up with Ben Simmons, and Joel Embiid. It's pretty good. Pretty good foundation for the rest of the you know, the next ten years. So it's based on the fact the drafting is hard, and you're not gonna get it. Right. And that is why we see Markelle faults being created today with the positive commercials on some platforms. But while we're doing that. Can you tell all of us about that crazy offer that was sent to the Lakers LeBron at the deadline? Technology truth brought to you by Tyco. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose that? With a wheat whacker. Oh, sent wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. And we're back the Lakers back decided to do it. I mean, he couldn't have stopped him. So Brian ura Eastern Conference finals for tolls is Toronto, and Milwaukee is that what you're saying this conversation every year because Brian is like he's you obsess about this. You're the master of it, you a Marriott have a special relationship over this just really put put me on it. Oh, see that. He's not going to answer me on how we think the teams are ranked right now. But now you injure Han have given him a question. Yes. Brilliant line miles in hotels. It really is raking adding this to my bo- constrictor repertoire, thank you. I have finals reservations already done this. Yes. Of course. I have finals reservations in Boston. I finals reservations in Toronto. Within the last ten days, I made files reservations in Philly in Milwaukee. Now. Lease ten days. So I was like who's changed Balki isn't really changed? This felt like you would hear on a roll with you. And I do not have them in Philly. Interesting. So after the Harris deal. Yes, no. I guess we know the Phillies number four. Actively say, oh, they're not going to be in the finals. Don't make a reservation, but it's sort of defacto. I'm sort of my subconscious is ranking them, but has. What about you, Andrew Juhan? Do you have? Nations. I think that it it will be obviously in the west it'll be Oakland and in the east. It'll be Toronto. That's my take. Did that assault deal? Change your field today. No guess because when the mirror deal happened. I was over going to Milwaukee for the final when the custodial happen. The note we're going back to Toronto. But typically. It has been some very insen this with LeBron's teams in recent years. But typically teams that make massive major Vinci's deals aren't the teams that ended up winning the whole thing. Typically the team's win the whole thing make minor moves. Lebron is the way he operates sort of change that. If you look at what's happened, look and everything that Houston has done. In the last three months to to retrofit that roster. I think they're up to something like. Twenty four twenty five different players that they've had on their roster this year, and they have a roster spot. They have to roster spots. They could add more. You look at Philly the way they've turned that roster over since the beginning of the season. I'm they've made to massive traits three. I guess I could fall as a big trade coming different guys. Have worn. Sixers jersey this year, by the way, I gotta check this. Somebody in Cleveland told me that five different guys have worn the number three for the Kansas here. Talk of the train. Wade where have you been have you gone to six the raptors as I just said got down to ten players today. That's you know, we're seeing credible turnover in some of these teams. Well, here's what I like about the rockets the first team you mentioned in the string is that. There are more new pretty quickly and this wasn't working. And I know that we all I heard this the media almost got stuck in gear. I think I spent six weeks hearing about oh Trevor reason Luth Mahmoud say they were stupid. They didn't realize they didn't know what they had whatever do. Trevor REEs is not the reason. I mean, they're often terrible to Rengo. You're not exactly leading the world on fire. Phoenix, nor is he doing so in DC as much as I like Trevor reason, and we just talked about fit, and sometimes the guy is great and one scenario and on the other that being said they needed to do more than just wither Trevor Aretha than I thought that Darryl kind of buckled down, and they had a rash of injuries that required him to do. So and the usual rabbit out of the hat where whatever hat he pulled Gerald green from last year started pulling other g leaguers and other guys who were home playing basketball. Dry waves again. And I like the tweaks they've made it's still we'll have to see if they can get as close as they got last year. Andrew clearly has only made in Oakland hotel reservation. He doesn't think that that's danger. But after seeing the warriors last night, I only reinforce that. So let me ask you questions about that. So we're watching this arms race in the east, and we talked about on the show. I think a lot of it has to do with the window opening after LeBron leaves, right? Lebron has been looming over this conference eight straight finals appearances. We have talked a lot about whole like empires that had been built fought and lost in the time teams that LeBron has been raining over the conference. But now he is gone and everybody is trying to be that team. That is finally repping the east. I do think that there's some pressure on teams like Toronto Milwaukee Philadelphia because they at least here the train tracks and think Boston might be loading up with kyron D next year. So you gotta get it in now. But all of this all the things these these teams are doing impossibly mortgaging away part of their future. Is still for the opportunity to most likely with all due respect to the teams in the west five meet the warriors in the NBA finals? And this is I mean, they have boogie cousins on that roster. Now, you have five multiple times aren't all stars that team has been unbeatable basically for six weeks, and they're only gonna go I'm more of a head of steam as they go through the play offs. What do you think of the arms race in the shadow of? Hey in this conference. It's a free frog because the clouds of finally parted, but by the way, you're reward you go meet the warriors in the five things you say about it number one. You run up the ground ball because you just never know. This is what I said in two thousand sixteen when the warriors were seventy three nine and the Cavs were chugging along. There's a difference between run out the ground ball and play your hardest. And hey got LeBron James on your team. And you never know what could happen, and we are making trades and mortgaging our assets in the future history. I mean, Danny age again to his credit. He didn't he didn't mortgage anything during LeBron's height. He basically sat back and said, yeah, we're rebuilding. And they're kind of came appoint where it was like, why aren't you done rebuilding already? And he's like, no, no, we're still rebuilding because he knew what was he gonna do. Right. I mean until kyri became available, and he pounced. He why why spend a bunch of assets to battle LeBron at the height of his career at the height of his power. And that is in some degree. What's going on in the east versus the who they will meet in the west is so big of a honeymoon situation with the bucks. The idea of getting to the finals, even if they get their heads handed to them his dream scenario dream scenario Philly. You know, they haven't been to the finals since Iverson. They haven't been successfully deep in the playoffs. I guess they to the second round last year. Toronto has not been able to get past the Braun them getting to the finals, it'd be the greatest cops in franchise history. So I do think that there is something summer award other than winning, and there can be something noble in in getting beat in the files, Brian we have to wind down. But if you were going to tell a huge basketball fan one takeaway from the trade deadline. If you are a fan of a team, you want your general manager to always be working and we've seen some tremendous general manager work in the last few days last week ten days. They're going to say is I couldn't believe how my phone blew up at three o'clock today with people mocking Anthony Davis. Enrich, paul. Agents. Other teams league officials saying boy, they really screwed up. What do you think the repercussions that are going to be? I don't know. I think the risk profile on this was, you know, looking at what the Lakers actually had to trade the risk profile than Anthony Davis and his team elected to take was a little bit on Savary. I thought the chance of them getting what they wanted were not high enough to the damage he was going to accept but it could have worked. And the fact that this was probably the if what he wanted, and I just have to take it on fate. I'm taking Anthony Davis on faith. And I think it's a little bit unfortunate. When people don't wanna give these players their own agency. And they just assume they're ponds of someone else much. That's fair. Anthony Davis has a brain. He has a mouth he his speed. He has spoken is spoke to the New Orleans media. He said what he wanted if Anthony Davis forget what which Paul may. Or may not be doing behind the scenes, and who is other clients are if Anthony Davis said to his agent, you know, what I'm calling it. I've seen it. I've said everything give New Orleans the season. I've seen enough we all sat up on TV and said, hey, can't you call up by now. Like we've seen it. They're not making the playoffs. Right. They didn't unlike the Houston Rockets, they didn't make a bunch of moves in the first three months of the season to miss dealer and try to do something. I mean, they had a lot higher stakes right than Houston. Did they were trying to keep Anthony Davis? And yet they didn't do that. There was some behind the scene stuff with Anthony Davis. Just simple stuff where I know that there was a little bit. The frustration over sort of. Hey, why aren't they doing this kind of stuff? If he is able to say, hey, I'm calling it. And if he in his mind who has a house in Los Angeles and has a young child who maybe he wants to grow up in a nice place like southern California. It's nicer than Andrew shouldn't Brian win horses. Young child grew up in southern California. Exactly rain for weeks on end here. But it's not raining now. And even when a rained. It was fifty degrees warmer than Omaha. Sixty or seventy I'm gonna give Anthony Davis the credit of believing him that he wanted to come to LA that this wasn't someone else. Pulling his puppet strings. He's a grownup and that if he really did want to come to LA, this was it. This was the window, right? Because we all know you're sitting here and saying, hey, what is isn't the Lakers wallet wasn't enough to make a deal? Now. Just wait till then age gets in the game this summer, wait till the wherever has the number one pick. It's in the game. So this was it. So I see both sides of it. Yes. It was a bid that probably wasn't going to work from the beginning. And so you could say, hey, don't risk it. But on the other hand if he wanted to do this. If this is what he wanted. These are not guys who succeeded in life by not trying because the odds were bad. That's true. That's true. Well, we'll be talking about a lot more of it. 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Best Of: Zion's Injury plus Season Predictions

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Best Of: Zion's Injury plus Season Predictions

"Scalp House here on the Radio Dot Com sports digital network in special show scout we are here in Philly Star I official show together live in the same room be over the next three days you're calling Celtics sixers tomorrow night you're going to be attending I'm gonna I got a ticket I'm in the bill a good amount of money do you feel like you were born ten years too narrowly scout because the one thing I do look at as far as me as a player there's a dollars a year Lebron when he went to the Miami he signed for seventeen million dollars a year now guys are signing for sixty four million for four years I all the free agency guys listen to that advice they took they took they took the show didn't look for some all later like Jaylen Brown we got buddy healed we got our voices bonus all of them you mean just Jonky Murray I was surprised by that like I thought he rhymed gun said rich Paul clients aren't necessarily maybe as give my kids street but I can't do the whole customers and we can't do the whole liked by pushing women down type of stuff so I came up with the NF guy the guy a conversation with the guy and the guy gives you some kind of inside information but we'll have to wait on that metal eventually I gotta work my way up to that rozier drive up it was good it was Oh dude just observe the game watch her opening the opening game I guess we gotTa Start Somewhere I eventually want you to go into lock room ask questions try to get you know now I maybe growing up in that generation would have been different but I don't know if I would have been a special player because nothing special but was I stood l. f. you you don't have any kids so when you have kids in and I don't want my listen I live in the neighborhood the square neighborhood you can imagine and because you know like what is it the squares now what do you mean it's all about schools right and it's all it's all stuffy and life so I am searching like when I played there was not a lot of power forward to could shoot three's put the ball on the floor and make a play man there's like five guys on every team that do that so I just kind of feel like I would I don't know if we'll ever we're never pass up for show trying to get some oh yeah listen listen and by the way into the segment and by the way all the guys that we were talking about over four hours I listened to what's what's your boy's name and F not bad not sure I'm going to go back to the well okay I don't know I was I was big like he's all about working hard he's all about like you know pushing himself to be the best he can be so that is not very cool but for my kids is good listen to podcasts it listens to music and I did I was like scally got a gave me a homework assignment I need to listen to them sure he's good but you're right no swearing sort of you know Nice Nice rack anything for you see the game in person like it's different it's different than the TV. I don't think I I don't think our boss Mike D I don't think I have a press pass I just have a ticket I sit in the crowd look I can't do anything with yeah you're right now do you have a media pass can you going locker room and ask questions because I think that's a big step for you just attending a game that doesn't Smith back in the day right will Smith family rapper like he didn't swear he wasn't edge I listen off Real Smith man by the way you and we're going to have Kenji and all these broadcasting partners heavily invested in the Pelicans Zahn Williamson being artist he misses the first part of the season with that meniscus tear I'm interested we talked a little bit about it was begun Paul clans are all they don't sign rookie extensions or all about getting the Max but you're coming up in a C. L. having sixty four million dollar contract that's a he was probably the most I mean since since the Bron- right I mean I can't think of another rookie that people were excited to watch the Pelicans have a ton of national TV Games clearly the League you know whether it's TNT fan of like just slimming down to me it's about getting in ill like the stuff that you eat put into your body the work that you put in terraced minutes which I've done a little bit of reading on it seems like guys who have sort of that body mass are really more prone to tearing their meniscus and maybe having some potential problems we talked about suggest design winton would've here he is now we talked about it a little bit he was injury we didn't know these specifications of the injury he's now out six to eight weeks tournament if he's GonNa make three hundred four hundred million dollars playing basketball and Pelicans are ever going to be good they have to make that commitment to how much does this impact into your body like the body works you have to get night in and night out like the John Stockton later in his career he saw chiropractor sometimes at halftime deal I know like sixty four million dollars used to not be that big a deal back in the day when geyser would max contracts were seventeen million fuel that you're putting in there's like another level you have to go to like you should take you could take a blood test and find out what your body reacts to what Your Body converses energy there are shane he could not eat going the sauna get on the bike and lose weight but is it actually better for you know there's like whether or not the way his weight he's he's to seventy plus he came in at sixty six he kept for a rookie and a guy coming in the he carries a ton of extra weight he's like oh he's so he can defend position rebound his position and he could shoot three think we don't have a lot of guys that can do that scale and bells McKay Lebron travels with his own bodywork guy like if you're Zion Williamson the only way you don't make it is if you get hurt that's it there's no other way he's to skilled thirty games you think that's done because it's not like six seed they're going to be like squeaking into a and that could be one game issue specifically said he probably does need to slim down in his career in order to have some some longevity et just to be clear what I'm saying Cerruti like I don't I'm not I feel I belong a good friend of mine but I'm not he played fifty five games and won the MVP that is so backward the numbers Murayama ran has good numbers so like would you vote for him if those guys played seventy five games and he played fifty game I think Joe I think and he should and the Pelicans you do that form higher chef that makes healthy food that he likes he likes if he likes has a sweet tooth he's a good decision maker but are you are you like this is a little bit worrying right like I would be I mean I'd be worried that he's not he's not putting coach k. had came out and said he wasn't in shape for the playoff team I don't think they're going to be a playoff team you know Dallas all right so a lot of people believe that they're borderline playoff team this year I think the right at the cusp with him missing twenty gifts he's probably GonNa Miss Twenty to thirty games opened the season which is a huge bummer on the side of the season obviously the season starts tonight Pelicans play the raptors and you know it's a Downer it really is because I think he uh all the guys who played seventy eight seventy five that's you know fifty games and fifty five games is crazy I believe embiid lost out well making dates versus sugar whatever whatever it is right and so John Williamson these and make that commitment to his body if he's going to have the twenty to thirty games it's a good chunk of the season almost basically a quarter season like three or four wins we're talking about a pellet this a lot of people yourself included believe that they're going to be preseason we're talking about weight in the media saying he's got a slimmed-down that'd be a problem and then it right at the start of the season tears Michigan is going to miss this doc I can't be any whiter than when I say I physically don't have the ability to have to show me scalp all your advice you in perk I understand trying to give me advice Gonzaga later today last time we had perk on he was trying to give meet you talk about strength on some street cred and I whenever I say fo show my whiteness the one game gets you out right that's how it works when you're in the western conference so I think this is I think it'd be really hard for them to get into the playoffs the world very exactly thank thank you I I know that I can say whatever I want now per you can't say whatever you want talk show but I'll we're getting we're working our way there perk pump the have you started the NBA season tonight we'll get into your predictions we'll get into you want mvp the rookie of the year to Malcolm Brogdon the year that he only played about fifty seven games even though people thought he was the rookie of the year yet you're so there is a precedent that says if you miss a lot of games aren't GonNa vote for you the scale and bells the podcast are Barents Gallon Palsson Radio Dot Com sports digital network but first we now officially have timetable for Zion Williamson injury six to eight weeks where saying potentially twenty to thirty Games people are obviously hide say your favorite every time papers hey euchre's in my head now because all these guys are obviously our show favorite guests that's right exactly I'll I'll I'll become maybe five percent more street by being on the show so I'll take that I'll take as little as I can so you'll have five percent yeah so I'll take that I'm not sure SCALLOP Bernie Steve Sturdy were here in Philly in person for show here that we've done really side by side which is pretty cool and we're also going to be joined now by champion search for all the people that thought they were going to try to cash in on their Zion rookie of the year ticket in Vegas it seems like that now John Moran some books actually taken the lead as as the favorite to win rookie of the year is are more prone to tearing their meniscus maybe having some knee injuries as they go forward how worried are you that this Zion injury even though you know they had a vote and he dynamic and everything like that but you know every either three guys that have good numbers say it's you know dearest Garland has pelicans there they opened tonight it's going to be a big Downer for the League to Miss Him on opening night and going forward for what could be up to two months You know we SORTA does of signs injury I think he's still win rookie of the year listen if he plays if he plays you know I don't know fifty games fifty plus games he can still win rookie of the year and he may not be any he's lean obviously he's he's he's got night says it's not like he's fat or whatever the case we've we've got five all of our favorites eager on my fit for you actually are my favorite because you agree with me a lot on some back me up whenever whenever guys like rip euchre where he's expected to make a full recovery he's expected to play this season it's not like it's a major long-term injury but how are you that this can be a lingering problem throughout Zion's career that he can hours that I have zero street credit actually perk we're talking about this because Scowl Roy likes the chain situation is underneath the Hoodie because that's something that I can't pull off I don't even think scouts about the past about the weight situation and how he needed to slim down this is a meniscus tear in his knee went in there had it cleaned up and there is some research that suggests that guys that are kind of bigger with whether it's knee injuries are injuries that have to do with how big of a guy he is a first of all Before I ask you a question look you gotta get I am going to get this I on boost if it looks good and it's fun even if the numbers are similar and he plays games guys are GonNa just bofors IOT because it's Diana because they think he's awesome I think I do that like I so many levels that you can go to not like hey I'm just going to read the Diet just so many levels like what do you mean optimal buell now he needs to make that commitment Bernie and when I say mimic mummy change his body at least up twenty to twenty five pounds so he's more believable but I don't think it's Greg Ode type situation but also do think that he he need to get in shape but I love the die rix because you can't say don't pass up some oh go pass up for show trying to get some oh that embarrassment related to that we've already in New Orleans is going authorization I love they could grip Abbott Gentry they've reached a restructuring the coach Overto- so I'd note I will get to get Lakers clippers lake game tonight I'll start with the early game Pelicans Raptors we talked a little bit yesterday pass the mob is he gets the four year mass contract which you're not a stay around a longtime met you'll learn enough bank around me scout we'll go A. 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But this is nine day college this day from high school this guy's GonNa be logging thirty plus minutes a night of I got I thought was a no brainer for Toronto but one of the things that we sort of differed on was where this Toronto team is going in the short term meaning this season because I asked cow the three seat in east complete grab some people like the Celtics some people even like teams like the nets some people like the heat and the raptors are still sort of in that group they all night I'm not overly concerned was I on but I did say this when I seen him in some me listen the guys six six five to one hundred and eighty pounds it is just a blessing in disguise to teach but not only him but for the Pelicans also compel can make an employee challenge group over there and they still in the East I wouldn't be surprised if they finished one or two they could finish one or two with the roster that they have they still a big you know is it that they don't make the playoffs this year not it's a possibility but I don't have them in the playoffs comes off the bench and provide everything he can score he runs the team he capacity does it all he plays he brings to nasty and everything however many time all stars just want in Spain one last year who still arguably top ten biggs his lead and you still have Oji the streets I got no shame crap I'm the hood is in its list there this team is still built pretty solid and they still in the east like I would not just count them out of coming out of these other let me per I know that you're GonNa have my back so that's why you are my favorite deaths here on Scallon pass what's upper grew like hurt of they have Larry They have Norman Powell who I liked who stepped up big for them last year in the playoff Kaluka favorite note but I'm not gonNA disrespect them and say this Toronto Raptors team it won't if they happen to finish number one number two and east get a slight needs to the Sacramento Kings if I had a young team to make the playoffs now would I be in play on the future absolutely absolutely you guys who I think will make all star game issue you got a bad fleet who's a underrated of player in this league in my opinion could pull that up and it looks good on your perk it's on top of the ZIP a couple of times just hag vows going to be in his hands he's GonNa be playing the five times take on a lot of work mode and this last saying he needs to Kinda Mimic do you have good bigs you have surgery backer if you WANNA go small you still got Marcus who's the you know a deep a former defensive player of the year I wouldn't be surprised any way they win the east though you're not you're not saying that they could win the east but they're going to be good they're not going to be like they're not gonna be beyond that do you see them closer to the three seat in the east and you see them more of like a hey we're gonNA trade some of these guys and potentially rebuild them look to the future no in some of our predictions But are you do you think that this Combo of Anthony Davis Lebron James is going to be so prolific in the regular season that both those guys can be after this injury too too hard to overcome what I didn't have a play I didn't have L. Playoffs before the engine those scattered forgot for this raptors team they sort of looked to hand the reins over to guys like Oh Jan and Obi and and Pascal Siachen and some of the younger guys on that squad couldn't you see would guys like Kyle lowry Markelle saw Serge Ibaka with those guys particularly beyond the trade bloc this year because they don't seem like there may be long term plans the million mile he's got he's got the shop doing all this other stop now I don't I don't I would pick him in the playoffs against actions yeah we still got one we got time I mean let's ask really quick obviously tonight is the big matchup is Lakers clippers no politics no Paul George so it's not to generation of players on the court at one time that in any given night be the best player in the world I Anthony Okay fine I'm pretty sure they got nutritionists Wanna be but is better than nip it in the early way down the line so apart all year and you're going to see it man like the age of the Brock is GonNa catch up to him and and he's got blows pizza in Iran he's got Abe is Lebron James at what I've been seeing in preseason I don't see how you GonNa stop these guys I don't care what team you play arms I had him you know look there must see tv when you watch what was I on the hook for show but I have the they're the champs and obviously that also key pieces in coli limited in Danny Green Melissa that's not take this Toronto team for granted they still got no way it doesn't there's no way he's going to become a two way player to win MVP during the regular season he doesn't care about the regular season MVP conversation because I I do I think both of those guys reaction so I think this thing is going I think it's going to be as close to showtime and so root out right there when she umbrella which lists we have a long list we have they went through they went seventeen quite lender sat out and there were some games in there and that's where and that's why I got that type of money so are we doing like a full-fledged matchup that we really want but I want to know from you like we we've all been excited about what we've seen from the Lakers specifically with Anthony Davis they're talking about I'll get to this a little bit later yes he does and guess what he's gone he's gone he got a high chance of leading the League in assists you'll by the chance I think this is going to be Abacha I'd probably would not pick them the clippers but I picked them against Denver in the playoffs against Utah the playoffs I'd pick them against Houston in the play offs dousing against teams in the playoffs then regular season you're not Lebron plan thirty three thirty five minutes it's going to wear them out at thirty five years old take eight eight thirty four I know I got you I understand what he did last year but I also saw when he returned he wasn't good enough you guys run a pick and roll high pick and roll on stop we'll pick and pop rolling to the basket with a guy like Brian James I mean what are you expecting tonight from these guys you're at thirty five is probably not the best course of action for Lebron now with Anthony Davis maybe but for these guys what does it matter what you do in the regular season we matters what you do in the playoffs so you're gonNA push perk it's hard to win mvp it's hard you gotta push it hard every every game they're not gonNa do does not going to be I I would be surprised if they if it wouldn't be surprised if he if they to the eastern conference farm it last year specimen we haven't seen a guy like this guy's not normal this is not normal net them quick they were doing Listen I'm not saying it's going to be like that I know and I think you have a better roster this year I think asking him to do more me up into the playoffs absolutely it goes eight twenty midway through the season and that didn't work ethic the regular season no doubt let's see that guy he's thirty five thirty are you pick it apart the Golden State Warriors when you run a pick and roll I heard let's let's make it official than let's Talk Playoff let's talk finals give us your so I think Anthony Davis wins the MVP. I think I'm leaning there with your perk let's do this then let's let's make it let's make it the off okay I got clippers and sixers and I got quite Leonard winning again I got the clippers issue right now I just Anthony Davis I just don't care about the regular season Lebron hasn't you're going to Pimas who's your finals match up and what's your pick I got Milwaukee books in the Los Angeles Lakers in the arms and I got the Lakers winning all in on embiid he's my MVP. This year I'm all in the EMBIID is now grownup stuff I just talked about with Zion about his body Kim Stop Anthony Davis overbroad James You can't you can't switch it because they don't take into the post if you try to do a head or the help across turn that he doesn't care about the regular season I say I say I got I'm caught in between what was going to be Anthony Davis on the board Diet and all that stuff I got embiid being focused on trying to take trying to be what maximize himself his talent you telling me right out the brunt of the cared about a regular cd four years and all of a sudden this year he cares I think because it's disappointing year did you in the win like eighteen hundred twenty eight left last year to get into playoffs man and we're south quick when he came back after the injury and went south do you think so no you had you add Al Horford which will help Simmons and then you add Josh Richardson who I've always been a huge fan of Josh Richardson Scalp go ahead sorry was that you guys there I want to know lab so I don't WanNa wait thirty offers in the finals so tonight you a question why do you have the sixers I'm not I'm not arguing being look at depth that much in the playoffs I'm sorry I'm not how in a book is show me that he's in bold and big games and on the hidden AP with the pocket pairs makeable he got any flowed right I even want to guys when the heat is a matter of fact I blooming I think he'll have a really good year so I- microstart if you think you're the best starting five in I always tend to lean toward starters in the playoffs over like the bench beyond the record scallon I haven't given our picks yet so I don't want to bring it all back until you got either of those teams okay yes gals do you like the best team in the NBA. I think that's a that's the case to be made but I still have a lot of questions about sort of the fit between those two guys specifically Simmons and embiid and then again like you're talking about the Tobias Harris Okay and I understand that but I think the the sixers got worse would eight rows school like losing Jimi Bullet Jj Riddick is used all of a sudden be good to be healthy and play a bunch of games and and reach his full potential same thing with with Simmons and I think if they do reach their potential yes sure the sixers even from the time he was drafted I thought this guy's a true player two way player knocks down threes plays defense so and I think the bias Harris without having a contract a little bit later there are a lot of people think the sixers have the best starting five in the league I think there's a good taste to be made there but I do think a lot of people were under the assumption that when they pick the sixers that embiid I'll have to be your spotty there's too much pressure too much pressure on that I didn't want to say hey was the one the run the sixers are on right now and I didn't have down at that point because I wasn't counting I don't want you to look at me and be like the team I think I think the big fully invested in its lease they had no Saturday when holidays are we recording all this yes because to mcdonagh gave us his yesterday we're going to get everybody's picked this week and officially how well we'll see how him MB playoff who to think it's sixers we were talking about this and Mabel originally it sees why's he might average eleven or twelve seized issue all right we'll have to wear and tear of AH here he gonNA play like eighteen minutes at night against a pretty bad defensive team in the Golden State Warriors late I got I got you I got doc I'm Lebron win an bpd shit man I love it we're GonNa go it's I is that is that the norm is under thirty five he averaged Al with clay you see with me a scout that we gotTa Pick Up Ping scale I don't know that may be nervous last year I know you said you're saying the contact is behind him but he was bad when he got through over there he was he was bad in the playoffs sense of what bad is he was he was below expectations that's been patients and he was the fourth option on there sees you're going to be able to be the third best player the you know philly hilly they have a tough schedule can after their home opener they go ten fourteen on the road that's how it's GonNa play out you know the NBA early in the League early in the year Hong teams seem to figure things out quicker than the road teams I think I I gotta look at the Lakers scheduled I think it'd be good at home now gets me yeah it depends on who has the most home games that's how would that mean there's a reason he got paid another one hundred nine million dollars per let's let's go with this you got Lakers over bucks you've got one if embiid has an MVP type season plays his way I think the sixers might be unbeatable but I'm just not rated to trust embiid and go there yet that's Kinda why I'm with you on this so you know a bunch of stuff happening with six for thirty after that talking about it ain't never going to happen again there's a lot of captors but we're al Horford is good exterior got home I'm McKee bone game one and game one he only honest Janas bags the Lakers duo either Lebron or a winning the MVP before we let you go any other like you know prediction wisdom you WanNa you WanNa put before the season starts here today ninety five percents things I can't believe you is lately conversation by I really now everyone reacting like Lebron is unstoppable in eighteen look at the size of the Oklahoma City sneak it in the playoffs I think that's that's it you're going out on a limb there I think both both out I like the over for thirty one and a half yeah I don't disagree I agree this is obviously one you know most people most people think you sort of walk into a great situation this'll be interesting to see how it works out so perk man you're you're you're the best yeah I listen I think from watching Al Horford night in and night out I get like during the regular season there's going to be nice for us it's going to tap out I get it but ocoee tomorrow enjoy watching the opening game tonight thank Galen Bells the podcast fifteen minutes left here we've got your predictions yeah no I I understand Dolly person not the Greek was could live Linda and he's not he's gone into the East right yeah minutes no one in the world stop the broaden the preseason and eighteen minutes but if you played thirty five it's still wearing care he the wear and tear of the they got the best defensive team they have I could see in a match up against for sixers and a match up against the Celtics or matchup against the Milwaukee Bucks Yeah I can see them having the personnel to stop what those guys do so defensively I think they are the best I think clippers are the best team in the East I think we appreciate yourself and by we're GonNa Talk to you tomorrow so we'll break down some of the some of the opening night action but we're GONNA hold to these we're GonNa hold you these predictions he was always up for the challenge he he likes going against the Karl Anthony towns the Anthony Davis the jaanus onto staccato he likes it gets really he says yeah but now they have our Horford they have multiple guys who can guard him and he go again perkins my favorite guests on the show so perk talking and appreciate it and I needed you came season thirty five factor that in and maybe you're right maybe he's superhuman buddy type I pencil Lebron's somehow got through the La Clippers and it's Paul George going at them is quite Leonard going at him even Patrick Beverley for eight minutes a game you know just like nipping at I mean he was putting up MVP type numbers on a average to maybe even below average Pelicans team and I think he was the reason that they were he was the reason is closer than the east from me I just look at Lebron James and Anthony Davis I hear all the points because I sit here and I go yeah Kawhi Leonard as you said Patrick Beverley Paul George like that's a lot for Lebron heels I I could totally see the clippers is having the defensive presence to a get themselves to the finals and then it's hard to bet against quite Leonard and what he's done when he made ah you said the warriors are going to be good and by the end now you're like the word aren't GonNa make the playoffs and you do we we are in alignment we all know we who knows who knows how many years Lebron has left and I think if he has them left he realizes that he needs to do this now that's why he's going to be motivated for the regular season going to the playoffs what you want to say I got a jewel looking at those up telling you right now the Lakers go through the thought to start to see well hopefully the final so I'm taking not because not because I just want to be friends with perk but I do want to be friends with for but I'm going Lakers books and I'm taking the Lakers not this one just ask his way out of out of New Orleans I think he's going to be I think both he and Lebron we're going to be as motivated as they banned in recent history and I just look at it and I go successful I liked your holiday but I think Anthony Davis was his numbers would suggest he's an NBA Calorie player I think with Lebron in La he's rejuvenated he wants to prove to everybody that he as they were last year but I look at Philly and I just I just it's hard for me to trust Simmons and embiid and Brett Brown it's hard for me to just go all in and say they're going to I think there's the US look are up against what I say this I said this this some against what Steve Kerr for the cursor he's GonNa have the coat the pressure is on Brent Brown by the way to recovery and also scalp want you to go go boo novels agree right those are the two best players in the league real talent wise and I don't think any team could match up with that so that's why reluctantly I'm going with the Lakers because I do think this might be Lebron four straight games and he looked awful turn those four games against Toronto because I think he's renting MVP I think we've seen potentially added a better jump shot from him organization but Lebron James Anthony Davis there is no better do all the Meta league I think you can make an argument perks this with US earlier at any with my rebuttal that is who the hell was going to guard Anthony who in the League can guard Anthony Davis and I think we're GonNa see an Anthony Davis 'cause now Anthony Davis two years ago three years ago mm-hmm I just trust him more than I trust 'em meeting Simmons if that makes sense and I think the roster I think obviously they lost brogden they lost mirror kitsch but they where it was so dominant so great last year the team they lost to is no longer the team to beat in the Eastern Conference in the Toronto Raptors so if I'm going head to head yes one hundred percent of a situation in a reality where if embiid really did worry about his weight and his health and he comes in and it's just an absolute world-beater which I think is possible yeah there's a really given your prediction so you've got neither I have neither team that you have in the finals you're going sixers clippers plane you know give us give us the forum they did better so like for instance I got Milwaukee went further than Philly okay but who played the Toronto Raptors better well you know it's funny though last year obviously Great Chris Paul Aliquippa Seru Woodson got have go getting out to the fast start in all met in east of a width the chances sixers we're going to go to the finals and maybe win the finals but I want to see it first so when you watch when you think about those two matching up in playoffs bucks sixers you ought you're buying with Lopez gardening and be I'm not fine with it I just go I trust Jaanus I think Janas has they lost that'll be good for Frank Vogel because then his you know he's already kind of on the hot seat as Ricky SORTA said to us that they could quiet those things now you will not use equally on correct at the guy I usually go seven deep I don't I don't care who the ninth man is on time with you yeah but if you go across the board like the dominant matchups the other Lopez they added Robin Lopez like that do you think Wesley Matthews will give them some decent minutes I think there's enough there where that system where it's basically what the five out system right guys going on me you ain't no I understand he liked he liked the night crazy. It's there's not enough for me Milwaukee overfill you remember Philly as much you guys want to hate on Philly they took Toronto to the brink like you know like institute it was it was embarrassing for the bucks it was that it was bad 'cause I don't remember bursting for the sixers it was not but again you talk about the match up thing in a box take look to Horford matchup against Janas it's more than that it's eight minutes that he can guard John US and then move them off or you can rotate different the Lakers in the West and the East it was a little bit of a little bit higher on the Buxton you I think there are issues there for the bucks I don't I think it's going to be tough for them to be I think Philadelphia on paper might have the edge but I'm just GONNA Trust I'm going to trust the MVP yawns I'll read when I look at teams go into the final match ups and I there we disagree on that let's do this let's go down the list here who is your MVP maybe I think again if you're who you're picking the clippers yeah I like the clippers deck depth yet probably doc rivers more I like the Organization for covers more than I think the structure of the crew about running who's running the Paul George to it Paul George Self checks which you can then clippers won't win but if Paul George All land I think Doc rivers will really help Paul George out I asked you that because but I think the playoffs is a is a is kind of plus we don't we don't know we don't know if gallows gonNA play a whole season with them with an eye he'll be true Stephen Adams it's going to be the long term y you to drop out I'm GonNa go ahead and see the Lakers kidnapped masters thought straddling the fence him US get bucks win what sixty games best record in the regular season and they're up to the raptors and we're going to go over there and people are even acres and their front office in the management of basically been saying we're GONNA the rains are hits like he is running the show at least the regular season he is running the show and I think that between his talent all the other guests don't see exactly yeah well you keep listening because I think you agree on most of our predictions prick and this is think embiid does win the MVP and has a season like that carries it to the playoffs like I think the sixers won the title I just don't think it's going to happen because I think he has in him true different things Gregory Lebron James is almost like his secondary robin and that way you know I don't think it's going to be that way in the playoffs they're gonNA prop him up and he's going to have an unbelievable statistical season there I don't think they're going to be like a one does now I think there's this notion that like all these people that are picking the Lakers think that all the Lakers are locked in at all I think it's really close especially in the West I think the West is is this Matisse Stibal who you can talk about whatever your guy is a good defensive player he defends he blocked shots he's long Who Lost Four Straight Games I can understand that explain this one to me because I think I don't think that like yes like that game the raptors took series over and flip it on its head and okay it ends up being four-game as it all show long we're we want to start wanted to say we wanna go final last finals I do your the homeless you file I already and Steve Gershwin coach years well he probably should yet but they won't so it's like like this to win the MVP gotta be a one or two you see I think they'll probably be a four or five of him being allay and the numbers he's GonNa put up with I think you're going to be out of this frigging doesn't defensively he's I think I think I wouldn't be surprised I'M GONNA be he's perfect role player there are people talking that he should probably start so they can bring a little bit of firepower off the bench so this team is good they're a good team will not argue that I think the elway factor matters and I think because his numbers are going to be ridiculous on the offense and defensive if he goes back to what he was a couple years ago and he's doing that for let's do let's do most improved player because I think this is an interesting one Gordon Hayward Gordon Season One thing is going to be romanticized pick and be is going to be romanticized player 'cause he's grown up now you can get good odds to you if you're a betting man so like

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A Sad, Somber Emergency Pod for Raptors-Sixers Game 5 | The Ringer NBA Show

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A Sad, Somber Emergency Pod for Raptors-Sixers Game 5 | The Ringer NBA Show

"Hello, darkness mile, friend. I've come to talk with you. Welcome to use this term very loosely. Especial addition of the ringer NBA show instant reactions from game five of Sixers raptors, I'm your host Jong solitaire is here per usual. And I am joined by staff writer extraordinaire, host of the ringer MLB show. And my Phillie brother, Michael Baumann who is doing this both under duress and protest. The Sixers in rappers haven't even wrapped up and we decided to start the pot early because what is shit show. Yeah. This edition of the rear MBA show's brought to you by looking at this can right now Short's brewing company of elk Rapids. Michigan. Yeah. That's about. Right. I was going to say bleach. This episode of the show is brought to you by bleach. If you're a Sixers fan drink bleach, not the Sixers gang like I thought Bouwman that this series was pretty much decided in game four. I thought it was right there for the Sixers. They had a chance to take a commanding three one lead. Literally if Tobias Harris, it's two more threes there up three one they go back to Tyrrell. Although I think maybe the proceedings are a little bit different. And it didn't go that way. And then they go to Toronto, and it it could not have gone worse from the very beginning, especially, and including the fact that Joel Embiid, and Ben Simmons were alternately terrible and invisible they combined for as we're recording. This who knows they're not coming back. They're not gonna come back in. But if they wanted to come back in that could have some more turnovers thirteen turnovers Valmond. Perfect. I don't think I was as pessimistic as you were after game for like the series is still tied at that point. And we had had one blow out on each side and two extremely close intense games in which indeed was on the verge of shitting his pants, and I don't know I was optimistic at the time. But suffice it to say, I would not have agreed to do this podcast fi saw this coming. Should we get the like the pro Toronto give them their due stuff out of the way before we bury the Sixers? You wanna do first? You don't wanna do that? I we're gonna do that. I we're into that. I because needs like just a very quick cursory. Hey, the raptors were good while the Sixers were not quite Leonard has been a monster all series long. This wasn't even a monster game for him. This was just like a pretty good Kowa game where he goes for a double double points and rebounds. Had a couple of says didn't even have three pointer and yet despite not getting supernova coli, Leonard. They got a pretty good effort from Moscow Siaka m- all five starters. Scored in double figures the bench look better than it had looked a Bacha took a giant elbow to his head from his teammate and still stayed out there. But from the beginning raptors looked really good and the Sixers didn't so congrats to the raptors fan. This isn't exactly raptors podcast. If you live in Canada good for you. Congratulations. Yeah. And the Sixers turn the ball over didn't shoot that well and store not shooting that well, and we're still turning the ball over. So the raptors I think do deserve a lot of credit for holding the Sixers down on on the defensive end Kyle Lowry stepped up in away didn't early in the season. But you know, also the Maple Leafs choked Michener super overrated. So I'm just looking for whatever. I can. Yeah. They didn't have you. And I do this to make it a raptors pod. So for the rest of however, long this last we're just going to do a little seventy Sixers talk as Isaac will tell you. It's never happened before on the NBA show ringer feed. This is not what Sixers fans anticipated. When they went out and got Harris and Butler, and they put together the starting five, and it was supposed to be the best starting five aside from the Golden State Warriors. It wasn't supposed to be another second round out. It definitely wasn't supposed to be another second round out the way that it's looking right now. And I think like all the traces back to this weird situation which oil impede because as I wrote extensively in the first round. And this is an obvious point. But super true only one he's healthy. And right, can they achieve even something like remotely resembling what their best game is? And what he's not healthy. And right, which she hasn't been in this series. All of a sudden the wheels come off and sharks wrote about that same thing too. And in this whole situation has just been so strange like I it was the knee tendinitis. And then in game two he had gastroenteritis. And then the last game in game five he had, you know, some sort of sickness where he wasn't sleeping, and then they're calling it an upper respiratory infection. And he was sort of moping into the arena before the game tonight. And I don't know what the hell's going on with him. I don't know if it's the medical staff spot, or if it's his fault for not taking care of himself, but something is wrong here. And it has it looks like brought the season to an end. So I wanna say a couple things about that. I mean, the first thing is whatever happens between this in Zaire Smith and all the other weird stuff that's gone on. You know, I say like this series isn't over you've been around long enough to remember everybody freaking out after the dropped game. One to Brooklyn going home on Thursday, and they've won in Toronto already. So like this is in historically. The odds are heavily backed against them at this point. They're probably going to lose the series. But let's save the postmortem until after they've actually lost see how they've done it. The next thing. I was gonna say is finished to start washing their fucking hands on that team. I it's just unreal. The the weird medical stuff that's happened. And literally at first I do. Some sort of commentary on how they need to wash their hands with something, but you literally weird Philadelphia handrails, and I don't get sick that much because I don't wash my hands before I touch my face. My buddy flock tells hilarious story about the vet one is dad brought him to the vet back in the day. And he went to go wash his hands in the sink and his dad grabbed him real quick and and pull them away because there was a guy in another sink next to taking a pass. And he's like body. You don't gotta wash your hands all the time and just wisdom out of there. And now your buddies the center for the Sixers. He's he is now. Yeah. The way I can tell you used to work for the Philadelphia Inquirer is the Philadelphia teams getting beat. And the first thing that you do is. Well, what's wrong with the best player on the team? I am not saying that Embiid can't take better care of himself. And maybe like this needed to happen for him to to go full. He Lewis in the news and workout every day and watch what he eats. But there's a thing going around with the Sixers plus minus two series and the guys in the in the negative. You know and beads a plus forty and the other starters are all in the negative at least by a little bit to a certain extent. Like, this is the bargain that we made that we got the best player. You know, we the Sixers got the best player that they've had since Arvidsson and this injury concern was the reason he was around at three in the draft. And they're not building around Jabari Parker right now. So I would take that take the idea that there could be a healthy and beat it at some point down the line and go to war with that guy who we saw less than a week ago. So. I know. But that's what I'm saying. Like, yes, I agree with you that he is still their best player. Yes. I agree with you that there are plenty of knits depict beyond Embiid here. And if we're really focusing on like how the series turned you could point fingers in a number of different directions that don't land on. Joel embiid. I'm saying though, my point to revert back to my Philadelphia Inquirer columnist days. It's simply like the ceiling isn't high without him. Right. Like unless he's being right? It just like you're not going anywhere. So it's just sort of disappointing because it did seem after they win those two consecutive games at the beginning of the series, and they go up to one and they they have a game at home. And I'm thinking to myself my God they win this game game four they're gonna win the series. And instead of just complete completely turned. I really felt that game four was the complete series. But all right. Let's put him beat off to the side for a second. And let's just go through this here. Ben Simmons bread has put him on now in two consecutive series extensively the best player on the other team. And that's fine. And he's done his capable bust on the defensive end offenses. You and I were slacking with Isaac during this game often he has been an absolute and complete zero not only can he not shoot. But he's also had trouble finishing at the rim. He took five shots in this game five. Yeah. That's like, I think the Ben Simmons needs a jump shot thing. Like, obviously, it would be nice if he was at least like Jaanus shitty three point shooter. But people at least have to guard him like if he could at least get to shitty three point shooting. Then it would just completely change the dynamic of the way the teams construct in the offense, and I can see all of that he could still be an incredibly each just so athletic, and so smart that he can get to the rim essentially whenever he wants. But once he gets there like for the level of body control, and touch that he has an beat does his to that. That's frustrating to me as well. As just the amount of layups that just don't even come close to going in at clank off the backboard, it's mystifying to me, the you can be that big that strong that. At that skilled and just not finish better. And so that's it's lost in a sea of frustrations tonight. We've seen him step up at times this playoffs compared to just disappearing and getting flustered against Boston last year the job he's done on quite Leonard defensively this series is huge. And if he's just that level of defensive stopper, and you've got Embiid and three other guys who can score on the on the court, then it's not a deal that he's not really turning up at the offense of 'em. But you can live with it. I'm not I'm not sure that you can because you could pick pretty much any defender anywhere right now. And I'm not sure how well they'd be able to defend Koi because he's been that good. But I think you need something out of Ben Simmons who is supposed to be your one a guy not just right now, but for the foreseeable future. I I have serious concerns at the last two postseasons about what kind of offense of game. This guy has in critical situations when things actually matter and it's not just like a. Regular season game forty-three in you know, Memphis. This is something where like you need him to show out. And instead he's been completely invisible. And I realize that part of that is how Brad has deployed him, but that's out of necessity like Brett wisely for the the cracks and knocks that he has taken. I just wrote about this for the ringer. I think a lot of the criticism of his coaching has been unfair. And I think that people don't realize what they're criticizing him for. He he necessarily took the ball out of Ben Simmons his hands gave it to Jimmy Butler was deploying Ben Simmons in a different way. Because I think he realized OSHA. Yeah, we're probably not gonna be able to get much from Vincent's better shift, the focus of the office and run more pick and roll with Jimmy and Embiid and have Tobias pick it up a little bit more and try to run JJ off a pin downs. But yeah, I think you have to get something out of Benjamin's. Otherwise said I'm not saying it's okay for him to take five shots a really pivotal playoff game. Keep absolutely disappeared. There's a middle ground between. Everything's gonna be. Okay. I think he does need to grow and. He probably will. This is only a second season the league the game has just wrapped by the way. The raptors win by an incalculable score. I can't even do the math. All I know that it's the biggest earthy six it's thirty six. But it's the biggest win in the playoffs in raptors history. So good for the raptors, I suppose, not so good. Seventy Sixers pretty wild at this is bigger scoring margin than what that must be like seven or eight other games in the history of the franchise seven or eight other games. Good for them. Not a good game for JJ. When JJ shot is in falling. It becomes a difficult. Spot for them Tobias Harris had a better game. He hasn't had a terrific series. Certainly game. Four was a bad game for him tonight was a better game. But really, honestly like if you're going to say to me who's been the most consistent player in the entire series for the Sixers. It's been Jimmy. Yeah. And he's the guy who's fit I questioned from the mo-. I mean done that on on this podcast before question is his fit with the team. I worried about him from chemistry perspective. And he's been a lifesaver the drought the playoffs. I mean since heated up and kept them in game one against Brooklyn get to buys has been disappointing. I thought they gave up a lot to get him Bogue on Mike, Scott. And I thought it was defensible at the time because he just seemed like the perfect fifth Guida to plug into that starting lineup. But when the shot's not following like we've seen what happens in the past couple of games, and he was good. He was probably the best player at a at the four big starters for the first half. But you know, by the end of the second quarter, they're behind by so much didn't really matter. The only person on the entire team who shot more than two free. Throws this evening was Jimmy Butler. He shot eleven everybody else. Maximum of two they haven't gotten to the line. They weren't hitting their three pointers. They turn the ball over an absolute indefensible ton, and this just like, and I know we're really hyper focused on the Sixers because that's sort of artificial position you and I. But it felt like the raptors were playing fine. The raptors were playing well, it didn't feel like a momentous raptors game so much as it felt like just a really awful one for the Sixers. So again apologies to raptors fans who probably pretty pissed off that it's most of the spot cast is mostly focused on the seventy Sixers. But I just feel like it was more of Sixers failure just like they nobody showed up. Yeah. I agree. And there's I think it might have been more of a pedestrian game. I mean pedestrian for is relative term with quiet, but for him is opposed to the rest of the supporting cast. That's what sunk Toronto in games two and three and Gesellschaft four six three five from three Lowry. Head nineteen point stating green had a couple of big misses. But wow, I can't believe I remember him missing tooth reporters. Those are the only two three five. Just this is the raptors team. I was scared of coming in made to me with the more ballad scoring attack. They could live with Kawai just tearing everything up if the other four guys net starting lineup sorta disappeared they didn't get anything out of the bench. And that's how they won games two and three and the opposite is happened tonight. I am on a plane in the morning to Philadelphia four game six how do you think? It's going to be there. Good. Everybody's gonna be good mood. I don't know Isaac. I was slack. Tonight. Slack tonight was by far the most depressing place that have ever seen on the internet. Frankly, it was astounding absolutely unbelievable that the level of despair and the junction and utter lack of hope yet. That's about right. Is this the first time you've been on the internet in a place with more Philadelphians non-philippines? Oh, yes. Louis. Yeah. That's why was so disconcerting. I imagine. Because this is just what we're like. This is how it goes. This is how it goes. I can't believe I mean, frankly, like not to get either of us fired right now. But between them making us do this podcast post this game. And then putting me on a plane to. Fly into what is basically a war zone to watch game. Six I feel like this is cruel and unusual punishment by the brass. Could I've said though, is when you ask me if I wanted to do this can I just get on the plane. Isaac. You have power at the office mentioned nocco. I don't think that's possible bomb if you said no before the game that would have been unrealistic. I think if we had started this podcast like right now. Right after the game has ended. I think I would give you pass. Well, you should find Tyler tides phone number between now and Thursday. If you feel like doing this again. I like that would be the end of the ringer NBA show feed. If tines came on right now. So shouts times. But I'm glad he's decompressing somewhere venting all of his frustration. I before I let you go because you have many things to do. And I have many beers to drink. What do you think the chances are that I am after being on a plane to Philadelphia for game six that? I am then on a plane to Toronto for game seven I'd say better than even better than even. Yeah. Where does this optimism come from optimism? I mean the series has been back and forth. It's just happened to go way back in one direction away fourth in the direction a couple times. It's been pretty close like three of the individual games haven't been very close. But we've seen how to three different raptors team show up and four different Sixers team show up so going back home. I mean, obviously, the Sixers beat this listless in game six it almost literally could not have gone any worse. So I'm not making any guarantees. About what happens when you go to Toronto like they're just gonna make this is the other thing I had come to terms with the Sixers getting swept after game one. Like, I went through the whole thing and made my peace with it. And then they made me hope again. And that was your mistake that is the true evil of Philadelphia sports fan of. So what's going to happen? They're not gonna let you off easy by losing game six they're going to make you go to a fucking foreign country and worked for what is it Saturday is game seven Saturday Sunday Sunday, they're gonna make you work the entire weekend abroad of then they're going to lose. Yeah. They're going to make me go to Canada. I mean who wants that? Nobody wants that even people who live in Canada that I hear Toronto's actually, very nice. I've heard that too. We'll find out. All right. So congratulations to Toronto. Michael Bowman listen to him on the ringer and LB show as a public service announcement for all of you who listen to check on Mondays we do hockey now. No, more basketball. I'm excited about this. Yeah. It's gonna. Great Isaac Lee. Thanks for producing Michael Bowman. Thanks for co hosting. I'm John Gonzales. Thanks for listening. I guess gang by.

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Mason and Ireland (HR 2)

Mason & Ireland

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Mason and Ireland (HR 2)

"Your mom straight edge Mace, I'm never going back. Never going back, you snicker. I want you guys all snicker because I don't have any. This movie before, and we know how it ends, Tony, this time it might be real how many times over the last three years that I've been here. Have you said that and then take that gigantic number and just shorten it into what's you've said this year alone? It's still a gigantic number. I probably said it five or ten times two seven five to seven times this year. We're in the fifth month of the year. I mean it's early it's not generally, I still got Morrow is junior. Yeah. All right. So there was the story. What was the day would Greg? What dated Syndergaard pitch against the dodgers that was Tuesday Tuesday. Okay. So Noah Syndergaard says the only way that they could hit me the way that they hit me is they had to know what was coming, so afterwards, they asked Mickey Callaway, the Mets manager, and he verbalised his suspicion that the dodgers were stealing signs. It was Wednesday Wednesday. And Dave Roberts was asked about it. And he said, quote, I think for us, we feel that we go out there and play twenty-seven outs every night, the best, we can if we come up short, it's a combo. We didn't play well and give the other team credit. I guess they feel differently about the quality of at bats. We put up against these guys was not a result of our talent and preparation. That's their decision. I can't change their thoughts. Right. The Mets are a bunch of whiny know what's well now Jim Riggleman, who's the bench coach says, quote, I know Jim, I don't think it's anything illegal, but I think they just do a good job of picking up things. If you do anything in your delivery, that's different. If you're sequences are repetitive we talked about it, because they are taking some hefty cuts they're not getting cheated. We made some pretty good pitches and they got that they got we'll do better now. Here's the thing. We talked briefly to Pedro more about this a couple of weeks ago, one of the reasons why I think they're better and understand the pitchers that they're facing more clearly is that they've. Got that virtual reality system where they're able to stand in there and actually being a batter's box and see exactly the way a pitchers gonna come at them. I think that kind of stuff makes a difference. It's a technological advancement that the dodgers have, and they were the first team in major league baseball to adopt it. Here's syndergaards exact quote after the game. I feel like the only way they could have gotten to those balls was cheat. Hey, noah. Let me legend on something. If you are repeating the same motion if you're tipping, your fastball, if you're catcher is not smart enough to change the signs. If you think the dodgers have figured it out. That's a you problem. Yeah. Ask you Darvish. Yeah. Syndergaard is getting lit up by everybody right now. He's got like a five Yara. He's not the pitcher was a couple years, but to blame the other team and accused him of cheating stealing scientists not cheating. No. All right. It's change your signs. If you want to tell the other team what's coming to you problem. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a more complicated system. I mean it's just such a it's such a cop out for the midst to complain about this. Yeah. You know, when it wasn't though when we were complaining about how the Astros. No, no, no. We weren't being I disagree. We never said the cheating, we said, Darvish was as pitches. Yeah. I would argue that Syndergaard is tipping his pitches. We held it Darvish, right? The andrew. And we a lot of us still do. But he the, the Mets saying that they lost because the in, in this is syndergaards word cheat. Right. Is ridiculous. Yeah. It, it just it doesn't make sense. And and by the way that was the game. Greg was not the game where the dodgers chase Syndergaard early. And then the Mets took the lead and the dodgers came back late. That was the game that the dodgers came back late. But he went, I think five or six innings right? But, but I'm saying then who? Closer dea. And they insinuated the D. They knew something Diaz was going to throw. Okay. So the dodgers basically fell behind seven to three and didn't use their advantage. When they were behind, again, I'm gonna say this, you know, if you've not an a lot of people have the, the Facebook Oculus headset, if you've not had one of those headsets on and John you have. Yeah I'm not as big of a fan of it as you are. But I know about fan of it a huge fan of it. You can stand there and see exactly the way Noah Syndergaard is going to deliver in the case of quarterbacks. Now it's being used by all the teams if your quarterback and you wanna see what a defense looks like you put on that headset, and you can see exactly what that defense is look like an exactly the way that they're gonna come at you. I think that technology is, is huge. And I think that's one of the reasons why if you look at that technology, plus Robert vent, soya, who's the new hitting analyst who's working on plans, hitting plans with the team. I mean I. They've got this is another example, early adopters smartest people in the room. The dodgers have got those. I so yesterday, the you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles. The national spelling bee crowned eight spellers as co this because they can they ran out a word words, they went minis, cancer, so good now that they, they don't miss the event has previously had to six ties. So, so the idea of a tie is not unprecedented. I have got the words the final words that were gotten. Kids. So I don't can we I don't think I could spell any of them. I am going to give you the word. I think somebody's gonna luck into at least one. Okay, I'll give you the word and the meaning and then you go ahead and spell, it I'm gonna start. And Jay, you're also in this. So put your spelling prowess to the test. Right. This spinach is not gonna end. Well, okay. Osler what it's the last sound of a word or syllable. Osler. John. Can you use it in a sentence, please that lasts syllable or word made a sound called an Oslo? Okay. It's not the animal, apparently, no. A u s. L. A. He. T- us lot. Is he is it OT or UT UT? Yeah. UT. I thought you had that for a second. All right. Gregg, your word boy rips PayLess. This is obviously Jurassic Park. It. Action typically with the skin rash in other all using his sentence. He's got an rips of PayLess. Rips pay. All right. I'm gonna say I. Can I can I try and try it again rips of PayLess? E. Are. Why? Yes. I. P. L A, S rips PayLess. Oh. You are one letter off full none. Wow. I call non why has he's word. Right, yet, you idiot. One letter. Well, let's, let's see what Jag j j. I haven't won, yet you're complaining about a loser J words the last ten points right? Paloma. It's the webbing on the feet of aquatic birds, by the way, this is wrench easier than the word scrawl. I'm just gonna order. K. P. A. L. A. M. A. J corral. Yeah. That's a winner. Okay. This is a word we should all be able to spell because we see them all over the place. Oh not going to happen. Bogan via. We've got most people. I got I got got it. I'm gonna get this. Okay. B. O. U. G A. I and v I l l Bogan villa. Of course, my one which all these letters your e. It's. B. O. U. A N V. I L L E A, by the way, Greg, it's more painful to lose by one letter then did just get blown out. Yeah. Fact, getting these crazy amount of letters in their wait a minute. I mean Jay Jay's winning nonsense Jays win. I'm not protests. What do you think he should do you think he studied these? Okay. The word is shenanigans. I say you can't even spell shocking. Yeah. Shenanigans just like in the movie. What's that movie super trips Uber? Uber's. Thank you. K- shenanigan head, Greg. S. H. E. N. A and I g a n s Greg is on the board. That's not a hard word. Now you happy. I'm in last place. Okay. Jay's word one litter. Jay's word Sern you ass-. It is ending the inclining or the nodding of a plant Sern. You ass-. Let's see. C. E. R. And v. They ass known John. Do you want to try that Sern? You ass-. Sern you ass-. I stopped him wearing went wrong. So it. C. E. R. Yup. Sern and. You. L. O. U. S. There's no El there's, you said, certain you less Sern you ass- fuss, sir. I miss that one. Your Mike is on. It was on off. No. You turn me off Greg E, R N. You spelled it. Yeah. I Mason just go. Oh you did. Give you one I thought we were all supposed to get any more to get on the board. John again. Aglet. This is an ornament on a military or naval uniform aglet. Aglet. A g. And then he q- it's a I g u I l l John, I'm going to give you one more chance on the board. This is just embarrassing point. Oh dylan. The name in the mid nineteenth century to a hypothetical vital energy or life force owed. Ilic. Oh, D. Why? L. L. I. C. O oak. What? L one L. Not to John. You're going to you're going home. I showcase. Yeah, I remember you're very close on this stuff. But I didn't get any right? No. So. Got really you finish ahead of me, if we were on the price is right? And again. That's what you accused. On all of them close on hosts get you nothing at the spelling bee, you know, it gets you the Dame, are you okay with all of the, the kids winning at the same time. Doesn't that teach kids the wrong lesson in life? There's really only t you know, I was taught by my dad. There are only two places in every race. I last finished last. You finish last. That was set is, is this not an everybody gets a ribbon mentality. No. Because they went through both all those kids, didn't they go through, like twenty rounds? They went through twenty they each spell twenty works. There's dig down now. But here's the thing. Normally the kid that wins the spelling bee gets fifty grand. Did they all get fifty grand or today to split that up? I'm sure they had to split that up. No. If you win the smelling be, you get fifty grand, and everybody got fifty grand a piece. Is that right? Yep, everybody. Everybody got fifty grand. They get that kind of money at the national spelling bee grips hasn't them. So that's four hundred grand right. Yeah. Grant instead of fifty. Wow. Hope they have that insure them good for them and they still put it on ESPN every year. Yeah, Matt berry I think was talking about investing berry on their resume. Of course. Are you getting tattooed on my forehead which as you know, is quite large, they can fairly say I won. I won the spell yet. And then they got their players has with seven other people. Harder. Did you ever see the documentary spellbound, if you if you've always wondered what kids go through in order to finish that high in the spelling bee, there's a documentary called spellbound, and I mean these kids have a nervous breakdowns? The there is so much pressure on them. Yeah. And it's it's bordering on ridiculous. It is. They they're studying by the time they were five. Okay. Let's go through the as the dad would say it's crazy. I so today it became official the NBA has fine Doc Rivers fifty thousand dollars for tampering for these comments on Mondays NBA preview show on ESPN the most like Jordan that we see there's a letter break players. Lebron is phenomenal phenomenal. But when not that he is Jordan or anything like that. But he's the most likeable big hands host gang can finish great leaper great defender, in-between game. If you beat them to the stop pumps, you off, and then you add his three point shooting in. No, so. Auto never get in that who's the best player, you know magic is the best player. You know Michael Jordan was the best player LeBron but the is that same group. Now, this is a unique set of circumstances, given the fact that the clippers are absolutely looking to get Colli, Leonard to sign with them during this upcoming free agencies. And, and this tweet just came across Josh Lewin. Berg who covers the the NBA beat reporter for TSN in Canada. Okay. So he's he just tweeted the raptors have reached out to the league multiple times this season. When they felt the clippers have crossed a line in there, not so subtle pursuit of Leonard. I'm told would imagine today's fifty thousand dollar anti-tampering fine had as much to do with those incidents as docs, comments. And then the other thing that, that happened was even when the raptors eliminated Milwaukee and coli played so great. Yep. You tell he wasn't healthy. He's dropping off the wrong leg use a Mace if he's not healthy, if Kawais, not healthy. Yup. He's Jabbour for a supermax would he really leave eighty million on the table. In other words, if he leaves as a free agent and goes to the clippers. Yeah. He can only sign for four years. The raptors cannot from five and two twenty an extra eighty million dollars. If his now keep in mind, he played nine games last year. Yep. He sat out twenty this year for load management and he still having knee problems. If I'm that if I'm having knee problems. I'm taking I'm not leaving eighty million on the table. Don't you think he's going to consider that? Well, here's the thing, I mean this, and we've talked about this, a lot and eighty million dollars is an eighty million raise the amount of money. Right. But it all depends on how you view money, right? I mean, some people don't e you've always said, follow the money go, where the money. Well, I think that it often gets you answers, but increasingly now in the NBA, they're not always following the money, players are not always following the money because in the end can you live on one hundred seventy million dollars? You can probably get by. Right. Right. You can probably make ends meet on that. And that eighty million dollars is a gigantic amount of money at the same time if he really wants to play close to home if he really wants to play in. L A. It's it, it's possibly worth it. Now, the, the interesting question is, is this, the same is this a recurring injury is this? I don't know. I mean, we don't actually know what his injury was last year. Do we? It was mysterious. Remember he had that, that quad injury made him only played nine WADA injury, right? And this appears to be a knee injury. Yeah. He. Now co why is in the fourth year of a five-year ninety four million dollar contract? He signed before the fifth year is an opt out so he can opt out. The he was eligible for four with the clippers and five with the raptors for to twenty is the sprint eighty million million. Because of the supermax because of the supermax. Yeah, that, that would be eighty million over over the length of the contract. You know what I, I think he's going to wind up staying in Toronto. Well, I here's the other thing I was thinking about this that. The reason June, thirtieth is such a big deal, which, by the way is less than a month from now. It's thirty first. You never know what circumstances are going to pop up. In other words, if they win the title, and he goes through a parade and then in they're offering them all this free stuff in Toronto. He may fall in love with it. I had a situation where the this was the beginning of the Mason and Ireland show I had been working as a TV reporter in San Diego. I was you and I were goofing around filling in at night, and you thought you were leaving. So we will just super loose. Yup. And the show is really good. And funny, and, and the, the suits in San Diego said, oh, we should keep Mason now. We were we were going to get rid of him. But now we should keep them and they came to you and said, well, hey, if we kept you and move your back in the morning, would you wanna work with? He said, well, you should see if you can get Ireland, we have fun together and. At that exact time I'd been offered a job in Detroit. Yeah. That's. And, and I just started dating Lisa. And I said, so, but then this this job in Detroit was like, supermac. Yeah. You have to pay people an extraordinary amount of money to live in new dress. Right. Yeah. So I had a dual deal to do mornings in Detroit, and to work at channel four WD IV in Detroit is a TV reporter, and the total salary was more than I ever even imagined. And I literally just said, I can't turn it down. Yeah. It's the proverbial offer you can't refuse. And I said, had I been quite Leonard at that point. I would've told any of my friends, I'm going to Detroit, right? Which I'm acquainting to in this equation. I'm going to the clippers right. Okay. But and it was just an insane amount of money. Yeah. And then I came back and you called me and you said, hey, they won't pay you that much. But they'll pay you. Yeah. And I went to my station in San Diego. And I said, hey, I think I'm going to Detroit. But I'm just giving you a chance. I've got a chance to do dual radio here, so you'd have to agree to that. And you'd have to pay me more. And they said, okay, we'll do it and all of a sudden, like overnight a change. I'm staying. Yeah. And it'll Lisa played into it, and a lot of stuff played into it, but I I'm thinking quite right up until the thirtieth. Yeah. Something could happen. Well, I mean it it's a lot of it, I think is going to come down to his experience right now. What's it feel like to him to be in the finals, and to be quite literally when we talk about game of thrones around here, a lot the king of the north? He really is. North right now. And I think that, that may be enough in the Vegas odds have shifted originally Vegas. Odds were clippers were the favorite now. The Vegas odds are the Toronto is the favourite to keep choline. Here's an interesting subplot. So let's say that happens. Let's say Kawais stays in Toronto. Yeah. The clippers are gonna turn all their attention to Durant. Yeah. And they're going to tell Durant, and Kate in kyri, look, you can play together here. Yep. You believe in it. And then it becomes an arms race between the clippers and all the other teams of cap space. The I just think people and I you know, I'm I'm not a clippers fan. I don't like the clippers. I just think in the end. When push comes to shove, everybody who has played games in Los Angeles. At Staples Center. Both Lakers games and clippers fans they know there's a difference. There is a difference. Well, we needs to, and somebody sent me I think it was Christopher he sent me, and he goes, he goes, the bottom line is if you sign with the clippers every time you're out in public, if you go to Dodger Stadium you're getting booed. Right. So it's a different feeling but I Don at the end of the day, I think that these, these guys, I think the clippers built a really attractive thing, but, but there's no guarantee. None for any of these guys. Yeah. And I just can't imagine coli if he's got a bum knee. When when they put that offer in front of them. Here's two hundred twenty million dollars. Right. And the most the clippers or any other team could offer them one forty. That he looks at one forty versus to twenty especially on the heels of title if they win one. Right. And turns that down at that would be hard for me to turn down. I mean, I think there's a chance that when all is said and done Kawais stays in Toronto. K D goes to the Knicks. And the clippers wind up with neither mean all the best laid plans and, and by all accounts, organizationally they're very sound. But that the clippers wind up with nobody, I don't think it'll happen. I think they'll get somebody, I think the Lakers getting somebody at the clippers are getting somebody. I just don't know who it is. But I mean you start you start ticking down the list mean Katie coli. Those are the two biggest fish, right? Klay stays with the war stays with the warriors, then you start talking about Kimball Walker. Jimmy butler. The. I mean Chris Middleton Tobias Harris. I mean it drops off pretty quickly from there. You know, I think the Lakers are in the mix for Jimmy Butler, and for kyri and by way, I think ever gets Jimmy Butler, is it? I mean you sign in the playoffs. He's guy. And he plays defense and you'll pay Philly I would MAC he'll hold the young guys accountable, wouldn't you max Jimmy Butler. If you were filling. Here's the problem. I wouldn't max Tobias Harris of tell you, why that is unlikely next. Okay. All right. So correction to make here. Yeah. It's well it's, it's about quiet. I forgot I thought quite was the same as Kemba Walker. He can't it's not eighty million. It's fifty million. All right. So NIC's this summer. The raptors can offer qui- five years. One ninety any other teams max offer would be four years, one forty. Okay. Right. So, so it's a million dollars. Once he got traded he was no longer eligible for the right max and Leonard already opted to walk away from nearly thirty million. When he left, the Spurs, who could have offered in that was the to twenty thousand five supermac. So he walked on a supermax. He's willing to do so he's willing. But are you willing to do in twice? Yeah, he walked away from to nineteen now he'd be walking away from one ninety which is what clay is eligible for still fifty million dollars. That's a lot of money. Idea, what depends on if they win it down. Yeah. I do too. Well, wait a minute. In other words, I've used to think he stays, if they win it. Well, that's a good question. Does that increase or decrease the chances of leaving, if they win it he stays, or if they lose it, he stays it depends again. I always thought and house houses would stay. I mean his his knee, an actual factor because then if this is your last big contract you should opt for it. Yeah. I, I think. It's hard to know. And somebody else pointed out on Twitter, you know, he's been through the championship parade thing before and that didn't make him fall in love with San Antonio. That was a trust issue. They accused him of not telling the truth about his injury. And he said, you know, I don't trust you and you still a lot of money day, right? Yeah. I mean he's let's face it. He's, he's one of the weirder cats out there. I mean he's he is going to be very difficult to predict you know, does he I and I thought his NBA media day press conference he sounded pretty. On in food about. The city of Toronto. That's the way I I heard it. I liked Toronto. I think Toronto's a cool town. And but I, I. I don't. I don't want him to fall to the clippers. I'll be honest. I don't want him to point what happens if you know, we've all been selling this summer of change, what happens if callosities in Toronto, Klay, stays, and Golden State, and then Durant decides oh, what the hell stay too. Yeah. By the way, that's the other day. I mean, then the biggest name that moves his Kemba if Durant. I mean, Butler, let's say okay, so by that I wanted to I want to tell you about the Butler Golden State loses. If Durant does come back, let's say in game four and leads them to a win in that series doesn't that validate Durant? In other words, they won in his head at least they won because he came back. Yeah. And that to me, would be the perfect scenario the perfect scenario for him to leave is to say that they won. I proved that I was the difference maker for them till earlier you said, if you were the Sixers you would max Jimmy Butler. Yes. Okay. So if they max Jimmy Butler, right? That's north of thirty million a year for a guy, who's thirty and has not just miles on him. But Tom thibodeau miles, Tim does famous for running people into the ground. He did it to Joachim Noah, he did it to do all dang. He did it to Derrick rose. Are you making a case against us signing him? No, no, no. I'm saying that if Philly signs him. Okay. But if we signed him for four years, and the max, we're getting somebody with typical miles, we are. But here's why I let me cover two basis. Here Philly already has to max. You figure they're going to have to maxim, and they're going to have to max Simmons. Right. Do you max and Tobias Harris is gonna command? A lot of money too, if they keep them, maybe not a full max close to it. Can you max four guys in Philly? If you've never even made the finals, you know, the question is they asked. Now, the latest thick they're gonna max Tobias hair. Okay. Let's say of, of the two. In other words, if you're gonna max, one of them, you're going to max Jimmy Butler over Tobias Harris, I dunno you would max Tobias Harris over Jimmy Butler, because you had only be as I have to pay him beaten Simmons. You know, at some point, it becomes doesn't become cost effective anymore. And the reason the warriors have always said that they would max all four guys Steph Durant clay and dream on is they were going to the finals every year. Dr bus told me when he was alive. Once that, if you go to the finals over the course of the year you can make a hundred million dollars. You eat almost pays for itself. You get all that playoff money you get all the merchandise money. Here's the thing. I mean this is we're talking about four owners. Of the Sixers all worth in excess of two billion dollars. Right. Are they really worried about luxury tax? I don't know. But it I've known billionaires. I know, don't like to lose money, and that team would then news money. I mean I would be worth it if they were winning. But they didn't even make it out of the second round. Yeah, but I never have and never have. But I think that they are they are young and coming. But I like the reason I like Butler, and I don't worry, I'm just saying it. So if with them if you've got Tobias Harris, Yang joylin beating young Benjamin young and Jimmy Butler older. But within the Lakers case, the Lakers need to win. Now, I think those Tibbs miles will catch up to Jimmy Butler eventually, but I would bet on Butler, if I was the Lakers because you have LeBron. Right. And you've got to win now with LeBron. I loved Jimmy Butler levies competitiveness. I love everything about them. So I think you roll the dice, if you're the Lakers because you don't have to pay four maxes. Right. You know, you're young guys are still young Lonzo Ingram owes guys are not max guys, yet, you know, Embiid and Simmons or probably gonna command more. At this point, then Lonzo and Ingram. Although has Embiid hit his rookie. No still on it. Still on. Gotta be close. Right. Because he sat out a couple of days. Yeah. But the that's why I think I mean I m Jimmy valley fan I like them. But I don't know if the Sixers will do that. Because they have so many other people to pay. Yeah. I think when you start talking about hedge fund, you know, we always talk about the Lakers as being a family owned business. You know, these other guys, you know, Joe lake just doesn't care, right? So Greg says Embiid already signed his extension, five years, one twenty three okay? One forty seven. So when is he eligible eligible he's unrestricted in twenty twenty three? All right. So they, they they've got him under control for two more years, two, and then and then his ear and then even have it. No, no, no. This is a contract. This is a this is a five year. Karan forty two. So that a season that starts in twenty twenty twenty one and twenty to twenty two is the last year of his deal. Twenty two twenty three is the last year. Right. So they've got two more years before he reaches. The Anthony Davis then Simmons has even gotten to his rookie. And I and I'm Ben Simmons still needs to learn how to shoot. Yeah. I mean it can be done. It can be did. Yeah. I mean it can absolutely be done. Hey. Friday and that, you know, game two is not until Sunday. I know they spread this out a little too much. I think thought out some TV Sunday's a big TV night, Thursday's a big TV night Friday and Saturday, not so much Friday and Saturday, the to lease viewed TV nights to the right. Yeah. It's all about TV Mace. Yup. Where do you watch it on TV not a lot? Just watch him besides what about how the thrones and veep, or both over. I'm trying to think of a series I actually watch you gotta watch what about sneaky, Pete? I gave up on sneaky Pete, but I wouldn't mind getting back into it because I had too much TV new season just came out of sneaky. I, I stopped in the middle of season, one everybody Chris Morale's around here is they, they love Chernobyl. Yeah. He's Chris isn't the only one. Yeah, a lot of people. Barry. I haven't seen Jerry berries. Really? Good finish berry. I've finished it actually finished in three days when this power comeback powers got it becoming back on stars. Pretty soon. That's a good show. But I d I'm not I don't have a lot of what I'm trying to think if I've any series shows I mean other than like Vander pump, and all the reality, right? I don't think I feel like I may be the only one that watches this one, but there's a show called what we do in the shadows. It's on FX. It's a reality show. The movie is amazing, the MU, it's just like the movie so good. What is it about a movie about? It's about it. It's this group of amplifiers, and it's a reality show about them. So they have like the confessionals where they talk about. They complain about each other. It's on FX if you saw the movie, I saw the move on TV show, the TV show is so frigging, like it, it's just like it, it's the exact same thing. They come out each other seem actors, aim accurate from the flight of the Concorde, exactly all the same people. It is so frigging funny. It's. I don't know if you'd catch that when Ireland. Yeah I don't I it sounds it doesn't say I would watch. I just need to load up on shows when the new seat and the new Lakers starts because I'm on planes. And that's what I need to watch a lot of stuff. Right. But, but for the most part, you know, I still in here. It's great. I still haven't watched Cobra KAI. Have you? Yeah. I've watched covert kind. I just watched the first episode of the second season last night, did you watch? Did you guys watch the first season? So everybody says, I think that's my next one one, you would like is succession on, and that may be one in, which is it starting up starting up again. Yeah. Succession is fantastic on HBO but yeah, everybody's trying to come up with a show that's I don't think we're ever going to have that again. I don't think we're ever going to have that big game of thrones moment, again the one where he watches showing. Shelling when it airs for the first time I just don't think that's going to happen the last series, I just finished season three the good fight, which is the good wife extension, China and the extra for the five dollars a month. You can't afford that. I just don't I resent it, I resent having to pay extra to watch C just put it on regular CBS. Hey, I wanted to mention this, there is there are a lot of reports today that the Knicks are not for sure going to draft RJ Barrett. Like everybody, everybody knows that Zion is going one to New Orleans and everybody assumes that John Moran is going to, to the grizzlies, the Knicks are apparently. Looking into trading out of the third spot. If RJ Barrett fell to the four the Lakers have to seriously. Think about hanging home. Absolutely. The regulars, the Lakers right now have the fourth pick, right? So, but don't you think something will be done prior to the job? So you don't me. I don't value draft picks. I mean yesterday. We talked to the guy in New Orleans who thinks that, that a trade for Anthony Davis will grant says he has he has a update on Anthony, Dan. What's actually, it's an update on the Celtics, which affects the Anthony Davis situation from Steve Cuyler NBA, Dino, Steve Cuyler, have you heard of him? Yes, he says that the Celtics are actively exploring, different trade and drafts scenarios, that would strengthen a lineup built around Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown, which kind of sounds like they know Kyrie's gone. I Bill Simmons said in his podcast he would drive Kyrenia Rita the airport. They don't even want him. Yeah. And no way. No way AD. Goes there if. No kyri. Right. I don't think so. I don't think so. No. But who knows so that they would build around Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. So that kind of knock. Them out tomorrow, by the way. You were Texas Tech made it to the national championship. Yes. The reason they made it as they had a guard named Jarrett Culver. He was really, really good in the tournament jerk Culver is coming to Elsa under to work out for the Lakers tomorrow. Okay. Got it. So that's one of the guys, they know Deandra hunter, who was on the winning team Virginia. Yup. He's also gonna work out, but tomorrow is Jerry Culver day at the facility. I personally will be shocked if they use that pick. Well, look at you're talking to I would have traded that pick by now. Anyway, I will be shocked if that deal if that pick is traded for Anthony Davis or traded for Bradley Beal, you know, if the candidates were the GM, they, would they would not only keep the pick for try and get three more. I you know, the draft picks to me. I have the exact same. We've already got our young guys. We, we've got our young guys. We don't we don't need more young guys. We've gotta turn that pick into somebody who can help immediately. I would treat it's not development time. Right. I would treat draft picks exactly the same way. Daryl Morey treats them. Yeah. You pedalled them off to people that think they're more valuable than I do. Right. Right. Which is I didn't even think the racket have pick this year. No rockets have no picks this year. That's why I was weird when Darrow Maury settled trade all his picks because I've seen twenty twenty one twenty two yes. No first rounder his their own first rounder next year. But no second rounder, so he does. He's not sitting on a cash picks. Yeah. I mean, I, I will be shocked if the Lakers don't do something in the trade market, whether it's Bradley Beal or it's Anthony Davis. And it's around the draft. Well, David Aldridge, who is a hall of fame level, reporter who lives in Washington. D C for the NBA. He wrote a long article earlier this month about how. The only move the wizard tab in light of the John wall, max contract in John wall, probably isn't gonna play all this year is to trade, Bradley Beal, right? So the question then becomes what is Bradley Beal worth on the open, market, if they were to go down that road? And I think that both the Lakers and the Celtics have assets that they could trade for him. But the Lakers have LeBron. And the Celtics don't have a star. Yes. So I mean I do the math, right. Yeah. I, I think Bradley bit now they don't even have like a president of basketball operations do not know. And you know, they fired Ernie Grunfeld and so, and yet, the Washington, some Washington be rhetoric came out and said that it's Lonzo ball that they would want in a proposed Bradley Beal trade. Well, Scott Brooks is their coach. And Scott was, you know, an NBA point guard. So I know he values he, he, he, he could trust less work to the final. So Greg, what do you think Lonzo ball plus the four for ri- Bradley Beal? Oh boy, I don't wanna do that at all. But I think you have to in that situation. I wanted to seeing Lonzo what do I what's interesting about that proposal? Is Laker fans would say it's too much and wizard fans would say it's not enough than one another yet. Have a weird thing going on. There's a third of the of them that want Lonzo to stay. I do watch. I heard that McCall. I heard that game. Lonzo's played in and I'm telling you people he is better than you think they want Brandon Ingram to state. It's all split, right? It's all it's all split like there's going to be a group of fans who were disappointed. Bye B. I going. Say to say things that will undoubtedly opened the floodgates on my social media for saying that. I'm a ridiculous Homer. One, Lonzo ball is better than people think. Agreed he needs to stay healthy. But he's elite defensively he changes the pace of a game. I think when he develops his jump shot better. He is going to be a monster. Number two, there is a very big part of me. That is kind of glad this is kind of a weird thing to say. But you'll it'll make sense. In the end, I'm Klina glad that Brandon Ingram had something happened to him that made him untradable because I one think he's one hundred percent healthy. I've talked to a couple of doctors about him, and I think that he does not have the Chris Bosh thing his blood clot situation was structural, there was something if you pick your blood flowing through your body, he had a bone that had slipped and was blocking it, and they have corrected it. And he is operating all the trains, around time for lack of a better word, but I think other GM's would be scared to trade for them because they don't know. They wanna see him, play I and I'm actually glad because the way he was playing before he got sick was elite like all star elite. And I think there's a possibility that the Lakers are gonna be the beneficiaries of the fact that they can't trade him. You know what I mean? Right. But it's going to be it would be tough to trade you. You almost have to make a choice between trading for Bradley. Beal or trading for Anthony Davis one hundred percent do yeah, it's got to be one or the v very hard to do both. And obviously, there's a clear first choice, they're fast track is next yet, Mason, Ireland. ESPN LA.

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Hour 1: Sixers' Win

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They're still going to see what's going on everybody. Nope. Oh here. He knows that rarely confused. Okay in Mexico men. How he found fellas? Doing good. We're good week. I'm feeling healthy and into the guy who's not. We'll hold it down. Okay. Always let's do this. You know, how the down Finley make an easy work of LA at home one forty three to one twenty one beat with another monster game Tobias Harris chipped in with twenty two backs. Spilling. When a big. This is a big deal. Has anyone read ESPN dot com? Crook, gold's bury the great creek gold's berries article on the Sixers like can they reached their incredible ceiling like legitimately. Maybe when a championship this year, Golden State's the heavy favourite. But like they have shop to do it. Why do you think he wrote that because he looked at the numbers and said, no it can't happen? But forget about the analytics for a second. This was a Philly team that couldn't shoot it. Well, enough to compensate for the fact that Ben Simmons a phenomenal talent can't shoot at all doesn't shoot it. All right Butler and Embiid shot it well enough, but not enough to compensate for Simmons lack of shooting. And then, of course, Rettig can really do to a bias Harris. He's like a Rettig level. Even better this year three point shooter. I mean, he could do a lot in the pick and roll in a lot of been made of that. But as a spot up three point shooter, he's been awesome. Now, you have two of the best shooters in vascular ball to supplement the big three really like that's what you wanna do. NBC Butler Symon SIMS how do you supplement that with two of the best shooters in basketball? Never when the deal was made will a lot you know what Jerry West is getting caps based draft picks. He's like Bella chick. Give him that. Oh my God. They win the deal. And plus what's the back court defense issue still with the Sixers and transition, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the question was what would this look like could this be the best version of what this might be and much like boogie cousins on the warriors. When we finally saw we said, are you kidding? This is the best version of what boogie might have looked like on the warriors. So far. That's what that's Harris on the sixth win the deal came through when Tobias Harris was traded to the Sixers the skeptics, those that wanted to tap the breaks on this was did you take on more risk than you're reward? Now, what we learned maybe with the Lakers, but more importantly with the nuggets this weekend was that the reward potentially is really high. And I hear you if these floor Tobias Harris added Jimmy Butler, Joel Embiid, and Ben Simmons can look this way. The reward is potentially high the risks still. Remain the risk that you lose both Harris and Butler at the end of the year. But more importantly, how will these four guys work out their chemistry? Max, I think you were entirely too focused on a small sample size and that being this Lakers game. I don't think there's Lakers win is a big deal. I think this is a team that just came off a big win over the Celtics. It's a Laker team. That isn't that good anyway? And this is not one to measure yourself against at nuggets win that might be something different. Because that was a game that was tied with about four minutes to go and Harris and Butler and Embiid workout who's going to end the game. They go on a fourteen to seven run. But the point is one game does not sway me because that risk still exists. Max who will take the last shot? How will they work out their chemistry issues? I'll give you two games of nice sample size. I'll give you it looks promising. But you're gonna tell me the Tobias hairs is just going to be a spot up shooter. This guy handled the ball in LA Jimmy Butler likes to do that. Ben Simmons likes to do that. There's so many risks so many questions revolve around things like ego max that I can't put. Much stock in some win over middling team from the west look, I you talk about sample size. Right nothing. I could do about that. Like you see your game. What feeling you get about that? It's only one game. I can't make it into ten games. Of course, the jury is out there. But do I feel this is a big deal? Do I yes, there's something about the way they were playing not just beating the Lakers team. That's coming off a huge win against the Celtics. It seemed like oh my God looks rejuvinated. Now, the trade deadline's pass, they're not demoralized. But also beat the nuggets. But also bunch of games ago. It was like look at the Sixers schedule they have thirteen games against plus five hundred teams twelve of them are over, and they just got better like Embiid books. Listen NBC's health is always the concern. But if he stays healthy the issue is not who takes the last shot that's on this functional team. This team is functioning very well onto the all you can go on that. So far the warriors. Why K D join the warriors? Besides the fact that he neither he nor the warriors could overcome LeBron James. Themselves. So they ganged up to create an unfair advantage, right? The other reason was Katie plays bowl the right way. You don't wanna be trapped up Westbrook. Who takes the last shot? Let me go to a team where the open man takes the last shot. The Sixers so far showing they're playing the right way. The open man takes the last shot how big a deal quantify for me. If you think this is a big deal. How big a deal is this. Sixers team is best in east at this moment. The Sixers are the best team in the east right now that other Nevada's look crazy. The bucks were the bucks. Once they were playing the best ball, and then they added marriage, which is the perfect ad, right? So on paper, I understand if someone says I like the box they have a through line through the season. And now, they just added a complementary piece. Okay. I get that. But what we're seeing right now will admit it just admit this much forget about sample size. And all that when you're watching the Sixers since the trade are they giving you the sense that of the warriors adding boogie or not like, oh, this is something a little different. They are giving you the sense that they could be scary in the east. They are not. Giving me the sense that they are right now the best team in the east. I could grant you all your ifs. But that would be really generous of me that would be really really gratuitous and nice. This is I take I'm not going to do those things. We know who the bucks are more importantly, the bucks know who the bucks are. They know they're driven by Janas. They know they are surrounding him with three point shooters. And as you point out. They added another one in marriage this team, the bucks make sense everything about them on paper and not just that in theory on the court adds up to a team that doesn't just win the regular season but can win in the playoffs. You know, whose shoulders you're gonna place it on come crunch time. You know, how the complimentary pieces can help out you said the problems for the Sixers exist on a dysfunctional team. We do not yet know if this is a functional group in theory as co Kirk gold's varies article points out it could be in theory as two games suggested. It could what is the early return your eat with your hips in my phone the place, but one of the human these one of the. Early returns early returns. This is a highly functional group of like a drunk Wall Street investor rate a hit the clubs after one day. Whereas they going into east Sixers could get out of the east, but I want I want to address these as of right now if it was one game for all the marbles I pick them right now in a one game. Like if this was already at game seven and they had to play it right now. I know that's not the way it works. But I want to address some of your points first of all Buddha holes. I said is the second most important acquisition in the off season after LeBron James he has done amazing things with the bucks team. They are like either you double Jaanus and someone hits an open three or you don't w honest, and he's going to bang it on you like this is what do you do? You gotta pick your poison. Okay. I get it. That's an advantage coaching not the Browns bed, but coaching is an advantage. I believe for Milwaukee. But let's take you honest, best player in the east among similarly talented teams usually that team advances. Are we sure that you honest is that much better than Ben Simmons? Neither one shoots Simmons is a lot of things it presents a lot of the same package that Janas does with better floor vision, actually, not as aggressive better floor version. Also, very good defender. But. Unlike Jaanus, he's not just surrounded by shooters, Noah shoots it better than Rettig. And Harris, right? He's also got an A list slashing guy who can also shoot in Butler it legitimate two way all star. And he's got maybe if he can stay healthy, a guy who can challenge honest is the best player in the east the level. The NBA has been playing at. So actually when you wave the talent the Sixers are more talented team. There's no doubt unfold it that's not the debate. Which team is more talented. It's which one makes more sense. And therefore, which one is the most likely to be the best team in the east. And if we take as the question is asked of today is this win a big dealer. No big deal went. I'm telling you is we have very little evidence off the Lakers win a little more off the nuggets win very little evidence. This is a big deal that actually influence the east your argument is based on if maybes could have been in one game series. All of those things have to come together. Jimmy Butler has to share the ball with Tobias hairs Harrison, Rettig half to shoe. By the way, the bucks have four five guys shoot the three as well. As those two ready out of sight. We know he's Middleton is gray and Middleton can shoot brogden contribute to three and in bead mo- post Lopez Lopez don't you thousand now added men, they'll give east is good feed is a head, man. He is really good. But you tell me who's who's hands. Do I want the ball in with a minute to go thirty seconds to go. You're right of me yawn. Right about points. You make how making it a big deal. But what would have been a big deal to you like is in so far as a regular season win against a team. That's not very good could be a big deal. This was it. And the bottom line is they they can't they can't choose to play the warriors. They play who's in front of them. They have they've beaten Denver and wipe the floor with LA since the trade. We all know what we see, you know. It's a big deal. The may bucks are first Pacers are third in the east still competitive with alcohol in this zone jokes fed who would have thought any of this. State farm Robert here. Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed no-one burden on your she shed shero all really victim because my she sheds burning up in the backyard. Yes, she shared with struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert state farm cover. My she shed shed. She turned are shed mature hideaway, Robert. Oh, yeah. That's covered. You hear that Victor? I'm getting a new she she she hid can we stop his? She should now. Go with a win. That's here to help life go, right? State farm talk to an agent today. Everyone. That's sports center right now on the Collins the first weekend without NFL action gave was the birth of the alliance of American football. The af is an upstart league hopes to develop players to get back into the NFL while giving fans their football fix during spring. Former NFL corvette Christian. Hackenberg was one of those players back in action, and it didn't go so well show you former jets quarterback with the Memphis express visiting Birmingham iron late in the first quarter. The Twenty-three-year-old throws a pass intended for Alton Howard with the ball. Tipped and intercepted by Jim our summers. Hackenberg struggling debut completed just ten of twenty three passes for eighty seven yards. An interception now in the Ford. Second and gore nine nothing. Keep price hands the ball off to trim Richardson who goes into the end zone for the touchdown iron beat the express final scores. This one twenty six two zero. They're gonna look a list of some of the notable rule differences. We. Between the af and NFL and this new league. There are no kick ops instead teams star with the ball and their twenty twenty-five line. And there are no onside kicks teams. Instead go one play to try and convert a fourth and twelve from their own twenty eight yard line. Now, let's get you back to verse take. How about the af putting a big time numbers three million viewers out raiding the rockets thunder on Saturday night. How about them apples? It's also very big day for me. We've got up former NFL quarterback dinner allow ski with me. We went to college together. Yes. And sue bird is here today. So a lot of you and sake on really good about it. We sure did. Well, I'll start with you on this one is this like good or bad for the NFL. I think this league is good for the NFL. I think more football is good for everybody, including the NFL. What this league is shown. I understand. It's a two point one rating. It beats the NBA game of the week. It's the first week, and we'll see where it goes from here. I understand the concept of sustainability. I saw what happened with the XFL whatever it was some more than a decade ago almost two decades ago and ratings went consistently down from their opening week. There's a curiosity factor. However, I do think this reveals a couple of things some of which all of which really are good the NFL number one. This shows there's an appetite for football people want more football. They want football year round. It's the number one sport America. It has proven. It is king and it rains second. I knew there's things in these. These af games that show the NFL can make improvements. Here's a couple first of all the instant replay the way they handled it where they went to the booth. There was a camera in the booth. So the instant replay judge you could hear her watch the video debate it change her here. Did it ROY? Get it ROY it stopped getting it wrong. But then she got it. Right people. Love that transparency. Max that's really cool to see behind the seniors. The two point conversions were fun. No extra points. All two point conversions the lack of kickoffs. Because you know, what that meant no commercial break after a touchdown you stayed with the program and immediately you had more offense ready to go. And then last, but not least certainly not least the hits the way they allowed those players to hit to hit the quarterback. It shows the true nature of the game the nature that people for better or worse. Love this is what people want they want to see helmets blind. They wanna see quarterback smash this right here, if you plug into this, you just tap it main line right into people's names. That's what they want. And that is good for football. And ultimately good for the NFL. It's good for football. Maybe not good for the NFL. Which is the question. Now, first let's start with the innovations and stuff, right? That always happens. When there's an upstart league. Eventually the dominant league that runs it out of business and be a BA will absorb some of the good stuff in that league. And it leads to some innovation and that is good for football. But the hard hitting and all that stuff. That's good for fans who want to see it not good for the NFL because that's not an innovation that's tapping into something people want out of the NFL, which is actually not good for the NFL's long-term interests. There's a reason they're moving away from that. Because the number one issue insofar as the NFL has one that can marginalize it is not Colin Kaepernick and protests. It's CT and the and the and the results of this incredibly brutal game. It's a brutal game. But we love it. Right. Here's the issue. Really? You mentioned the curiosity. Right. That's what drives the ratings first. And then we'll see if it's sustainable or not. But even if it is stable guys part of the NFL's appeal is scarcity in this time shifted world with DVR's and everything online. What is our shared experience anymore? There's no other shared American experience. Hardly excess. Cept- football. That's barely hyperbole. I mean that we know that when the game is he lives. The mash note football's different when the national game is on a Monday night. We know that everyone else is doing what we're doing at the same time. Right. Scarcity supply and demand is part of the appeal as you increase the supply, you're going to start to meet demand. That means the demand for NFL games will not quite be the same. That's the argument against Thursday night football or later season. When it's on Saturday when it's just on Sundays and then one game on Monday. That's what everyone's tuning into it. That's part of the appeal. You're diluting it with the NFL here not football. We're diluting the NF L product by satisfying demand. And then even if your argument is, but you're seeing more violence that can't carry over to the NFL. They're trying to from it. So here's the good things of this league. The replay surely can play its part in the transparency, and let's try out. The no kickoffs is stupid because without no kickoffs. We don't have guys like Devin Hester. We don't get the see the great players like Devin Hester. So I understand the health aspect of it. But that's what makes the NFL different. I do understand that like when I came when I first came into the NFL I was the third string quarterback. And I was able to go develop and I had time to sit for a couple of years. Learn the NFL world we don't have that in the NFL anymore teams keep two quarterbacks now. So the development of some quarterbacks concertedly benefit from this league. But here's the thing. This league is not a feeder leak it is a developmental league. And that is it try stuff out. See what works. See what doesn't we'll you. We have football year round with this league. We already do we have the NFL combine in a couple of weeks. We have the draft in six weeks in the NFL. It's like the seasons changing. Up here in New York. When March April may come everybody gets happy because there's eternal hope that sunshine is on the way team people in Chicago and Philadelphia in New York, the die hard fans. They don't care about that stuff. They want to know are the giants going to make a move to get better or they're going to get rid of Eli manning. What are the eagles quarterback are the bear is going to be able to repeat that's what they care about February March, April, and may so I don't see that. And also they had a two year window because wants to twenty twenty eight twenty twenty CBA comes around. I promise you those coach is going to go back and go we want that developmental time back. We want more time with our players in April time with our players. That's that's what's going to be a huge issue for this. Let me respond to both of you. We have the XFL coming next year. The this. You're one of these two leagues will will survive. No. And let me tell you. Why max I understand the economic arguments of supply and demand. I understand the argument of scarcity. However, I don't think if we look. To the history of this Burger King took away from McDonalds. I don't think Pepsi took away from cope what they did is that competition drove greater demand in the aggregate people want more football. This is developmentally. It is not competing with the NFL. It's taking nothing away from attention on the combine taking nothing away from attention on the NFL draft. Those things will still get all the eyeballs they ever got. In fact, I think the fact that people have access to more football puts it front of mind longer in the year. You have to knowledge that people love football last point. I heard you on get. Okay. Her ju- greenie. And I heard Jay Williams talking about this. And this is I almost walked onto sit people. You're not to know they probably should have people want the violence. You guys talked about Lynn will oh, Dan, they dons and dad's don't three or I don't know. I was an epidemic. Nobody turns me off because of big hits. Nobody did not on your. He's talking the long game. Not letting your Katy. Because you see the different mal you hit on it. Your talk. This is common in life in sports and economics in energy policy short term incentives at the expense of long term short term incentive. Sure violence long-term interest. You wanna get it out? And this does not do there's an app for both men and your long. But there's no weather. I understand his ratings. No rakings did not go down because there was big hits. There's no people participating in youth football. Because the moms and dads did not want their sons to play football typically young. In three words are two hundred now participation viewership a completely different mentally there should be a link. I mean, that's not it's not a stretch to imagine. Because you re ratings are going up is that because more kids are fighting. That's a completely different situation in Jack in in fact, in fact, long-term there has been no study of long-term that I'm aware of health effects in the UFC because once you have an advantage. You could follow up on it matches over in the NFL. You get what's called a stinger. You know, what that means paralysis in one of your limbs? And you know, what they say shake it off thirty seconds later. You're back in the game. It is a brutal sport. We all love it. The brutalities part of the reason we love it. But they're going to have to figure out a way to make it safer if they want it to not become marginalized. That's what the NFL's trying to do. I wanna mention quickly remember bar GM Ottis these he was waxing poetic about baseball just as the leaves turn. And we need you the most you go away something to that effect. Former Commissioner that's part of football appeal to you. There is pent up demand. You hear people many all what am I going to do next season? I need football, and you were shooting some of that interest in the combine raise interest in the draft in OTA's, I can't wait till training kit. That's why people will go. Watch training camp practices because that year round desire of what's my team going to be a little hungry tight full capable of. They don't spoil your dinner. They have sponsors. They have investors they will last, but they're not going to challenge the NFL until this wait until this because this league is close if a wait until the XFL allows Trevor Lawrence to come out of his first year, wait till that happens in jail. And we're really we're wrestling impressment stuff that has to stay in college for two more years is gonna look at one of these and go where is the biggest story that you to follow right now? Do you let your kids right before I'm going listening? 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I'm gonna say this again with making this about thinking, these guys are babies, which treat they're professionals. All of them. And this is how this league works. They know it. I know it that's how it goes. According to our insider agent, which announced the Lakers offered the pelicans of package highlighted by four former first round pigs. Lonzo ball. Brandon Ingram Kyle Kuzma and Josh heart along with multiple first-round draft picks. Now, let's get you back to I take. I'm tony. Thank you kindly. Magic says the pumpkins negotiate in good faith and be a champion Richard Jefferson in the house. Good to see you. Well, you agree with the magic sentiment that the pelicans didn't go sheet and good faith. I think I agree with magic even the smile on his face because magic is saying there is we expected we knew going into this would probably be the case. And it should have been the case. The pelicans had no reason to negotiate in good faith with the Lakers. The Lakers really didn't have any good faith negotiations with the pelicans before it even started we have to stop pretending. There's a difference between the Lakers and LeBron and clutch every time. I have this debate people are like, you know, LeBron doesn't run the team. He's not the GM quit being so naive. It's a one in the same entity. And so here's the pelicans with their star player, and they're having the terms dictated to them what they can do with their star player. It's all said give him to the Lakers for whatever they will offer. And the pelicans didn't like that. But no, you know, at the very least we want to put this to an open market at the very least. We want us to Boston offer at the very least we want to. It to summer, and they were told no in in really cute finesse terms. Do it now in the next week. Okay. Be good boys. And the pelicans thought to hell with that. And so they engaged in a little bit. Okay. Let's see what you got Lakers. They engaged in a little bit. Perhaps not all the way on the up and up fate. And I don't blame the pelicans in the least bit all they did is tit for tat. All they did is turn it about in the way the Lakers clutch and LeBron dictated the terms from the beginning. I'm not going to argue with that point. But I think there's a bigger point that supersedes that magic is right. Let's take the spirit of what he's saying and richer just bear with me for a second. I got through here that he is right in the big picture. It doesn't matter what the Lakers had to trade. The pelicans were not going to do business with them period. Now, it may be commentary on the fact that they haven't drafted well enough. They've had three number two picks even before magic out there in recent years. They went up with the ngelo Russell and Brandon Ingram and Lonzo ball. Not good enough for three number two overall picks. They haven't identified talent drafted and developed it to the extent that other teams really want. What they have that's on the Lakers, and all that what I'm contending even handed. They had good stuff. The pelicans were going to say, no, we're not really negotiating with you. So Magic's point is right. What was this really about? What I think this hold on one second. Because of course. It's not your client. I held him off. I saw him champing at the a hold on a second. Yeah. What is this really about? It's pure hater ISM. Trust me. From me. I got the hater of the year award from the patriot. You are next real recognize real trust me this. They are simply hated what does this really about? It's about not letting the players control things it is about jealousy about L A. It's about keeping when levian bell. I'm going to make an analogy here. Here. We go told the Pittsburgh Steelers Levy on bell told him. Okay. I'll come back. Now. The Steelers said great we want you back. We want you back so much. We're going to franchise you, let the onset time. Now. I'll only come back. If you promise not to franchise me. And they said no for that. Just don't come back that doesn't make any sense if they want him so bad. Why are they towing the line not franchising him? Because the most important thing for them with the send a message to players going forward. You can't sit out you can't get around our system. Even know what to that? Maybe they just didn't like the often can't get that's your opinion. This one is mind. Can't can't around our system. We are going to. Oh, the line to make sure that we send you a message that what this is about the Lakers. The pelicans are going to send the Lakers and LeBron and all the players who think they can take their fate into their own hands after being trapped in the market for five and a half years. You are not going to be able to do that. We will don't care or being offered. We're not going to negotiate and good faith. And magic is therefore right? It's not about the players. It's not about the players that what you're saying that the players can't have that type of controls that what you're the pelicans are trying to say tell me about the all star game. Tell me about the all star game the last two years. What is it right now? It is not east versus west is not tradition. Berkshire tradition. It's team LeBron versus team K D. It's team versus team Jaanus every year. The NBA continues to push it's about the players. It's the players control the players control. Now players are creating their own media. Now players are joining up together. Now players are doing all of this stuff to say, oh, we have complete control. We have complete control them will always be about this issue that the Lakers ran into his one. No one wants to really work with the Lakers. You saw that with the trade last year. Everybody was like Lakers. Go get him Lakers. They'll get there was no way on earth Papas going to trade Kawhi Leonard to the Lakers. He was going to treat them as far possible away from the Lakers could even if you ended up there, but they weren't going to feed into it. And look New Orleans didn't want to feed into it either. But the issue the real issue here is the way Magic Johnson. Rob. I think their inexperience showed in this matter. The fact that they were so naive to think that hey, look, Rich, Paul and clutch. They figured out that they don't they Anthony Davis doesn't want to resign there. So they just want to get ahead of it. That's what they tried to make. It seem like, hey, my players not gonna resign. So you guys have this time to get it done. But ultimately what they were trying to do as orchestrate a trade to the Lakers. I love LeBron that is my God. But at the end of the day that is a clutch thing there is no separation between LeBron and we go there is a to a degree, right? Lebron is more of like, hey, I am as a part of it. But who was in the building and Charlottesville last night. It was LeBron James who was sitting right next to them. Rich Paul was sitting right next on why? Because they were recruiting I want to respond. Here's the points. They were recruiting Zion. Williamson. So to say that there is no connection wanders launch those two points. I said let me respond to those go away. Yes. They give the players all the control provided. They don't decide where they play the NBA is setup that the only way you can leave before you're seven years or up is to leave tremendous money on the table. And even then you can spend you don't choose where you go. You're drafted to whatever city by chance. And then you must stay there or you lose tremendous money for seven years, and even then if you leave us eighty million as a max contract player, so they they don't want the players to actually decide where they play that's one to if Anthony Davis wants to be a billion dollar brand one day. Can he do that better from the Los Angeles Lakers or the pelicans he believes obviously, it's the Lakers? He should be allowed to make that choice from him for himself. And by the way, the exit fee shouldn't be close to one hundred million dollars. But it is so forgive the players for trying to exercise what leverage they have to leave. If people think that's unfair. Air. Then you know, what why do the Lakers cost three times what the pelicans cost to buy the Boehner's don't seem to complain about paying much much less for the pelicans Lakers. You know, why? Because more people think it's more desirable to be in LA, the New Orleans. Sorry. That's the way it is. That includes the players now notice when this is an argument would ultimately undercut your entire point. There's a reason the supermax exists. There's a reason why they try to protect players in their home drafted markets. It's because the league cannot survive on three teams because you cannot have a league words. The bulls the Nixon the Lakers and hope that people are going to tune in your in your out, you have to have the league with multiple markets interested that means me sitting at home in Dallas or or whoever's sitting at home in New Orleans has it team to root for the idea that everybody's gonna end up on the warriors. Everybody's gonna end up on the Lakers. You you love your short term Burs long-term arguments might be nice one to I'm sure they do, but that will kill your league in the long term. And I know you believe that the whole thing boils down to the whole world is envious of New York and LA, but what? They're really envious of New York bullied, right? We don't want a whole new nano. Listen this point out because I think you need to understand this. They don't want. You you being whoever the Lakers clutch boards. Rich, Paul telling them how to run their business as a going to make people go, you know, that's not deal of straw, man. Or and a false narrative. I agree. You must have a lead that's competitive. That's why rules are in place to keep the player. They're basically like it or not for close to seven years, but you're heading on that rule now. No, if they smaller market or less desirable market can't make it work with seven years. Practically of the services of a max contract player. That's on them. There should be nothing in the rules. That says they are entitled to a career's worth of service by that player. That's one to do. I believe that the small markets where the less desirable markets, and I'm not saying from my point of view. I'm saying is what the marketplace is saying should have no chance to compete. Of course, not do. I think they. Have the exact same chance to compete as the larger markets. No, I don't I think. Smaller markets should have to be smarter. Like the Spurs for example in order to compete on even terms of markets, like New York and LA or else. We're just waiting for long. But you can't just talk about New York. Because look at the end of the day, New York has been awful offer so many here. So you can't just say, oh, everyone wants to go to New York. Everyone goes on. Nobody has been going to L A. Even when Kobe Bryant was an final man in the plant is much way. Exactly. So we can't just make this about a market just because LeBron James finally went there and went there low key by himself. Right. It was like, hey, I'm going to take on this task after going to eight straight finals, it's not about the large markets. This is a guy that wants to change him environment. You had one of the highest one of the best players in his prime. And he's only twenty five years only twenty it's time for me to get a change. I'm not going to resign with you. Here is a little bit of a head start. Because you know, what could happen? If all of a sudden, the only thing you can do is a sign and trade. But if he decided that at the end of this contract, I was gone. On drive, and he's really leaving them high and dry for him to give a heads up. It's like, look, I'm giving you a heads up at the end of the day. They didn't bring back Rondo. They didn't bring back. Boogie cousins. Right and understand boogie cousins injury. But they had the best team that they had had since he had been there in last season that goes to the second round of the playoffs and all of a sudden he's backwards. You're absolutely right in every respect. And I don't begrudge Anthony wanting to leave I never have it's being dictated where he leaves to is the issue it's being bullied. This is why it's spiteful. This is why it spiteful because what Anthony Davis is saying, let's look at everyone's interest. I don't wanna leave you high dry. You should get something for me. I would also like to not lose eighty million or it's not the supermax, but it's still the max extension. So it's fifty million when I resigned with the team when I signed with the team I want to be I don't wanna lose fifty million. Can you please trade me to go? Get a heads up. And I don't use my fifty million to deal at the Lakers this summer either. Because the offer's not going to change that much. Message and data rates may apply. When did it become ok for men to be Lazier? Softer fatter really to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever with ageless male max a patent pending formula with an ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. Plus an amazing sixty four percent increase in nitric oxide, which can be handy in the gym and in the bedroom. Take your manhood. To the max by trying your first thirty day Buttle free just pay shipping and handling not ten days. Not fifteen days put a full thirty days supply free. 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Sixers Down 2-0, 1 Seeds Both Lose, Tatis, and Ranked: Worst Parts About Being a Sports Fan

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Sixers Down 2-0, 1 Seeds Both Lose, Tatis, and Ranked: Worst Parts About Being a Sports Fan

"What snapback Fan. Welcome back to another episode of Snapback Sports Pot on this episode. As you can imagine, Abe is absolutely miserable. The sixers fallen a to Ohio. We recap the beginning NBA including are the number one seeds in trouble bucks go down Lakers down. We talk about all of that what are we thinking about Houston the porzingis injection and we get a baseball involved todd teas under the gun because he hits a Grand Slam how does it happen? We discussed boomer verse Bangor, and then if you're listening today on August twentieth Thursday, it is the NBA draft lottery which gives me. A lot of hope and love for my New York Knicks. Hopefully, we get the number one pick, and then we do ranked. It's a funny ranked because we ranked the worst parts of being a sports fan. I'm sure all of you will be able to relate and then a minute with Eagleson as we recap the NHL playoffs with what the puck if you're new to the POD, make sure you follow and subscribe follow on spotify subscribe on Apple podcasts weirder sports move chat. We talk like you do with your friends which I know you will love snapback fem new APP let's get. The Baltimore Ravens Select Lamar Jackson I'm already is all all you every. intakes. Talk. A Philadelphia he does the. Drought. Old. Put the jumper period. I'm your host Jack Settlement joining me today, and so is my longtime best friend Abe grant off. We're recording at nine twenty pm on Wednesday night, which means the sixers of just fallen into an oath to whole against the Boston Celtics, which leads me to ask Abe what is on your mind to that? I'm so done done I just. It's I don't understand how I. I didn't play basketball pass freshman. Year. Of. High. School competitively. And I don't understand how I can have a better understanding and talked to many people like in my circle about what's going on in the game you included and have a full agreement how obvious it is. I'm done with this team from the top down from the ownership. To the GM who was a former player on this team with no general manager experience to the players who have no interest in competing in a playoff basketball game get the I get that the fans aren't there and that. And that it may be takes away from the playoff atmosphere but like. We can both agree that the intensity in these puzzle Games and these playoff games has been something that has. been. Like. Unbelievable because we haven't been used to it, what's been going on twenty twenty, the Philadelphia Seventy sixers came out in this game to game one I understand you know I. didn't think we're GONNA. Really win it a lot of turnovers this and that game when you come out firing hot. Gate in the second quarter, you completely fall apart what was that defense? Come in. An era, let's just stop the breakdown and acknowledge one thing they're just not a good. Football team like they're not the thing but not, but they're not like e. or not but what but but they have good basket, but they don't, and that's what I realized. Tonight was drill mb with special tonight to biased was not good tonight Josh Richardson was awesome tonight and then outside of those three without Ben, the really do not have good basketball players. I'm sorry you're freaking out when Alec burks is employment like he's not good at the sport of Astle not know that see that's where you're wrong baci out promise you. Want to conversation about out burks but he's someone that is very important to an NBA team because he comes off the bench, he's not going Lou Williams. He's like a Lou Williams. He's either join Clarkson he somewhat, but he's not. He's not as good as those players. That's the difference is like he's but but but Jack Jack He's been playing like those good players just completely abandoned him that the problem with the savvy you don't have a backup point guard you have a starting guard to Tobias is The number. One problem is the roster construction and that that's Joan I forgot Al Horford was supposed be like a key piece he averaged four points a game like he's worse than Bobby Portis out there. All right well. I know you think you're talking like trash here I'm not. I'm being serious but like I I know this. Like tonight like it tell everyone about the the actual text that we share tonight that was actually for once like exposing the true and how I feel which is. About I was texting you about how I actually don't know. Referring you're trying to get beat admit I'm not. Tying my swear, my life Philadelphia Seventy sixers have two of the worst four contracts and. That's true I. Tobias Harris had a great year for the seventy sixers. He did rows advice sure. He played very well in nineteen points a game and he improved vastly on the defensive end of the floor. He hasn't entered Orlando Florida he on the flight that that's some Scooby Doo shit where the end they unzip his costume and it turns out that Tobias, Harris, when he zips from the forehead down is fucking. That that little intern from the last dance that Jordan both the. Vice Harris has not come to Orlando Florida I. Don't know where he is. I've been saying all year and I know you say a great year he is not a Max player in the NBA. He's just not. He's fine. He's good. He can get you twenty night but a Max Pie in the NBA he you. and. Let me ask you a question. If the sixers roster was constructed of joy, Embiid Ben Simmons Tobias Harris, and to the starting five and two lights out shooters. Like a buddy healed or anger or let's call it a a Joe Harris or. Not Super High right what do you think Tobias Harris's worth would be them because you look at it snow not AMAC's less of a Max why because then they would need less scoring to biases only input to the game is getting you eighteen points. And he's tall. So he grabbed some boards. That's not really true. I'm telling you. He is not a maxwell he's the worst Max bar in. I. Don't I. Don't understand that such a WHO's worse than A. Out. Now is that I mean, if I mean I, think for him for his point in the NBA four for one out he is for one night as the Max we our four year four, hundred, nine, million dollars. It's technically like four for like something. Contracts are this season Jackie know that stopped. So the process is at my my my point, not my point is first of all I think that will be off the team at the end of this year just how how do you get a tape like that? You have to attach a first-round pick and probably Josh I don't think Josh Richardson the right fit for this team either you saw this year, the sixers came in. Not For this sixers team. He's not. You shall this year everyone was typing up the sixers as. The top one to three teams in the in East Boston and Milwaukee preseason that was the consensus you were even saying at the sixers should go to the finals. But you've learned I also is said, AL, Horford made zero sense and you told me how good defensively that would make them. We'll get into it at ranked, but that's part of being fan. Okay. So, before we go to the one seeds quick exercise, I'm GonNa read you players who make bore and less money than to buy say I saw I saw the tweet. Different different concepts and you're gonNA stop me and just say him when there's a player, you would rather not have then to by Sarah Circa we're gonNA speed through this. Steph. Curry Chris after I'd rather wait I'd rather have Tobias Harris over. Yes over that person okay. Yes. Okay. Steph seat three Westbrook Stop Save. A P, they're not going to take you seriously if you do that. Chris Paul Chris on that team would make do wonders. We're not stopping on Chris Paul there's way more players. You can fake lists on John Wall Harden Lebron Katie Blake. Griffin go back. Go back back back back back John Wall. Okay. I'm done with this conversation. No, I'm being serious because I don't want John Wall and Ben Simmons sharing the shutout to shut up shut. Coming. Down stop no no. Stop John Lewis Sound. Towers you sound stupid though because if Tobias wasn't there you have John Wall Ben Simmons of the foreign embiid and that's a better seem like I. Think you don't understand. John Wall has a worse contract into mayes actors. No, he doesn't not when he's on the floor sure he's hurt but tobias plays in just minutes that could be going to somewhere else because the bias is terrible who if you got to for mass exactly right onto the next topic, which is the number, one seeds, the bucks, and the Lakers both fall obviously a few days you have might have said, the the blazers had zero point zero percent chance of. Winning the series, I'm going to upgrade them to zero point zero, one percent. Luck Deliver Shaath fifteen percent from three. They shot thirty five percent from the field. But the thing to me was that the blazers didn't play well instill on the game. That's what worries me all night prediction. The Blazers did not play scored a hundred. Some points dame was hot early but only finish the game with thirty three points CJ was fine. I mean just they just didn't play that will never catch was great. But whatever they hit some shots late that's eventually what separated them, and then the Lakers abysmal and Lebron can continue to stat pat all he wants. But at the end of the Game Lebron, James, you need to go score I watch Alex Crusoe to shot down six with a minute thirty to go a leaning in three pointer when Lebron James handed him the ball with ten seconds on the shot clock. That's one of the most unacceptable things ever seen, Lebron? Twenty. Fifteen. Ten Twenty and fifty whatever he did. I don't care. Everyone keeps telling me is the MVP. He's the best player in the world. He's this. He's that he's this. Okay. You are held to a higher standard. You cannot be passive in game one of a series where you don't have home court advantage anymore this team is on fire all you did last time I give them confidence and all you did was make your teammates the least confident group of the bunch who you're gonNA need it was disgraceful and then the Bucks Fall One A. This sounds crazy to me I think there's a higher percentage chance the Lakers lose the series, but it would not shock me at the magic went up to on the series. It really wouldn't. Outlets I'll start it makes no sense start with the bulk of. I wanted to see. The buzzer fall again, why no? No I don't I'm saying I think there is a high I would not just not shot at your. So you are you're emphasizing more of the fact that there's no way that the Lakers lose the series I don't think taken lose this series I don't either I don't. Way Narrow no I do think the Lakers could win the series I loose series now I just don't think I just think the bucks could luck into because their defense the magic could have another good shooting. I can fall down to. Say May. Don't think of wake up in your sleep to obviously there's a better chance that one team can win one game verse. A big underdog can win three more. Right. By the magic are still you know double digit dogs and the Blazers have momentum and they're only five point underdogs. So let's talk about the buffs I. I'm more interested in them, I? Let's just get it out of the way because you didn't pick it up didn't have a bucket for the last seven minutes of the game. That's pretty unacceptable. He got pulled late and he did have a bucket, but he was that padding as well either. The lap to to to to to talk while we're on the subject to Tobias Harris. How would just like to put it an MRI and Mia, form out there. has anyone seen Chris, Middleton? Yeah. He was on the court. The problem was booted. The the entire bubble, the entire bubble. Oh, coach of the year putting holder. The Hudson Year but made his Napkins to have the MVP. Made his worst coaching mistake of the year and in his pre game speech the team he mentioned the word playoffs and that is you know that kind of enforce. Middleton's go for for nineteen from the field like he I don't understand what happens to him and you know what's nuts a that I thought about during the game that even send a text about Jaanus. Any pisses me off when every time something happens warriors. Twitter's like you honest. Golden stayed or she twitter I see the photo shop it pisses me off. Your honest. Want to win their Jaanus is one more game away from being on the all first team. Save me team he he was not good yesterday. What he was all my team. We did this segment like a week ago. It took you it's an answer came to watch I. Mean I'm talking like like. Know I said to you he had thirty like sixteen at seven and it felt like nothing it yeah because he has to that's his floor to just get them within distance now but that wouldn't be his floor if he had better players around him. He would still do that. That's how good he is. I promise you because Middleton still put up a ton of numbers Lopez blood. So they all did it just like how do they and this is the biggest question mark and why they could lose the second game tomorrow their defensive strategy it works over the course of an entire season but all you gotta do get hot not even high. You got hit open shots in four of seven games and when you're late in the playoffs, the best teams they hit the shots that's why the best teams and that strategy of just sinking to the WHO they changed it up a little a little too late envisaged already caught fire as we know. Middleton just like you gotTa, figure it out. Going forward for the rest the playoffs. More worried about the bucks or the Lakers. The I'm not worried about the I'm more worried about the Lakers. I'm more worried about Khris Middleton because that's all it is. He's the biggest X. factor in the entire playoffs. He doesn't need to outperform anything. He just needs to play up to a standards and they're fine. He just Kim I think I'm worried about the bucks more. The reason why I'm not worried about the magic, the magic I mean they're. GonNa be. Of course of course I'm not I'm not one for one game reactions but the magic kind of show yesterday that when it gets down to the half court offense, you just gotTa Take Away One guy and you can let you on as. Exactly that's the thing is you gotta it's exactly what we just watch the sixers you run the offense around bid he kicks out to open shooters if they're not making the shots than they can't score the basketball like no one else is attacking Korver lead so will attack. That's it even Lopez his own outside they're going to beat the magic. I've no doubt about that actually like them I know the heat of the bucks problems, but I just don't think the heat are GonNa have enough scoring to beat the box and honest will. Get, hit. So there's no like Yana stopper in Bam the problem with the Lakers I think they'll get by the blazers. I. Think they could get by Houston they're just they're nowhere close to the clippers covers by far the best team in a league. We'll just stick with the the Blazers series because everyone in America. It's really happy about Portland, taking game one Charles Barkley's bringing out a balancing Laureus and the fact that he even said they're going to sweep them and gawking one. He also said they were GonNa win the champion right here. I think in calling the sweep is bolder than the title. I think I don't. Yeah of course but I don't think that I think you're giving Portland a lot less credit than they should for last night. Like yeah. If you look at the Lakers and how they play the hidden, historically bad shooting night from three in terms of high volume. Attributes Portland, giving them open shots, and if they hit those shots they probably win. But in my opinion Portland played pretty good game and you saw. In that first half, he had like ten, eight nine. Nearly double and he was controlling that pace of the game on his own and had a one possession game at half and his Co. superstar Anthony Davis was nowhere to be found. Well, it's it's both of them are the worst box score players ever last night right like. Anthony Davis at twenty nine exactly exactly. But Eighty, he was shooting threes and they were so open that he has to take them and I was fine with him and he was breaking and mid range was off. But it was also the whole team and I'm not saying Portland didn't play well what my statement was. Portland didn't even play that well with what scares me if I'm a Lakers fan that's not the different thing with this series is like we talk about a who's going to be the x factor in A. Lakers rocket series Lakers clippers series. It's Anthony Davis. For Lakers per who's the main that near f the Lakers worth blazers that person has to be Lebron James. He has to be the one to carry a missile with Gary, Trent Junior on him at times last night you saw camello. From one possession was moving his. Amazing mallows. Whole thing's career was he just tries to Lebron. James whenever they bright, right right. But he lost you saw Lebron getting into the low post and you saw. Him. Palsson. Make the rightist. But this was like in the second quarter can't give him shit. He was making the right play and passing it but you think about it like this one in the game gets close between the Lakers and blazers when the game gets close between any teams that play in the NBA The team that can hit the shots down the end is the team. That's GonNa win and there's No doubt that the blazers have more guys that can hit shots than no doubt no doubt no lake they might have. They might have three guys who can I would trust with the ball with thirty seconds ago before I pick a single Laker at this point, which is mud the biggest thing is Danny Guerrero. The weirdest thing I casey pays like I don't like. Yeah I expect him to be Shit Championship pedigree. What I'm saying is Lebron has the ball in post and the in the early second quarter against Gary, transgender and Carmelo Anthony. Instead of looking to make the right play their. Own you think ahead to win the game close and you bully them and you get Carmelo Anthony Gary treading foul trump. That's my thing for me. The bron James needs to be that dominant player in this series because there's really no answer for him anywhere. You'RE NOT GONNA put an anarchist John Him you're not mellow can't guard him realistically, David Cj can't guard him. You could have an Anthony Davis. No one should be able to garden like that's the you can have. You can have an. Answering, you'd have Anthony Davis were Nurkic Ken mess around with him a little bit which can give him trouble. There's no match for Lebron James My there's no match for Anthony, Davis in the clippers of the rockets and that's where he needs to dominate. So I think that you see Lebron come out the rest of the series and hopefully I mean, you want to call it. I. So tie layoff run time accumulated in-stat Lt. I let's just how. How happy were you? Would you would you saw the post game reaction TNT just had his stats in the background I wasn't that happy? It was kind of underwhelming. Usually. Lebron. gives us a little fight. Since wouldn't be our sports podcasts unless we overreacted to a single game. Let's have the conversation is Lebron washed king and number two more seriously. Kenny does even have the ability to take that game anymore like it hurts to watch. I, it's a groin injury and it's been two years since we saw him play at that performance. It's year seventeen. I know you told me that once and he's older now. But. Does Lebron, James Have the ability to score twenty points in the fourth and carry them not one timing in game two in game two in game four in game six. Can he go off for thirty plus points get every bucket attack? The Rim hit shots here you're talking twenty eighteen playoff round. Playoff Ron like I'm talking playoff Brom playoff raw until he gives until he proves that he can't. I'm not I mean chocolate I. Mean I know you WanNa say let's look like they're boosting his stats in a loss but come on I was a close game until the end like you're not gonNa make boosting stats is like a honest when the game was out of hand with ten minutes to go was a game with Dallas game with three minutes to go and I'm saying. I'm not saying Lebron, James played a good game last or not. But I mean. You're seventeen. Let's look at that stat line. I I really don't thank you has it in him. And I'm not ready I don't I'm not sure I'm not sure if you don't think he has. I think that you're just like. I got to see it like I don I. Don't think you're dumb enough to deny that he's done. I don't know his left is different. His lift is. What does that? What does that mean? That's like me say where to throw different? Not It means when he's in transition attack the rim, and then Hassan whiteside barely leaves this feeding. It looks like a puppy lost. Like I never slept right? He looks good in the I ask yesterday you looked good diming he's always going to be he's Andrea Miller right now. Oh by. Only. He doesn't look like during Miller right now he's a tall. Andrea Miller James is Andre. Miller right now, and it hurts my freaking heart and you know why at heart hurt so. Stop Stop you know why it hurts out because for the past ten years I've been spending time protecting Michael. Jordan. Not Appreciated Lebron gene as much as I would have liked to. Now at work in sports I, do this podcast you and I play both sides at protect but I try to appreciate Lebron's best and all I'm saying is as I've matured and gotten to this point in my life and my career in the sports industry, it's upsetting that I'll never be able to see Lebron James Dominate Bass logging. So because he's Tall Andre Miller. You you haven't appreciate. You, say you've appreciate limited small capacity you have appreciated Jack you're condescending decade. And everything you say like you say I mean it's playoff Braun time this guy off what what you're doing. What you're doing is you're smart your little Max Kellerman type player you are you're elevating Lebron James High as you can knowing no it. That the clippers are most likely going to beat him once seed he's the one seed with people telling me you're. Doing. You're doing this on purpose your. This is what you're doing. This is what Max Kellerman does. Everything is calculated Abraham every game. Everything is calculated. How would have been a great transition into the lottery odds but we got more time to go all righty. Here's another thing we can do because you hit the sixers. Ron. Looks like laundry now. Can we go all on the rockets come on. We really after last night you're not all in on the rockets yet I'm all out on basketball. Okay. Fair enough but I think they would kill the Lakers like they are a I've said this from day one we're not doing we're not doing one game reactions, but you think they would kill Lakers I said this from day one we've agreed on this we said the rockets are the nightmare match up for them. Now we agreed that it would be interesting to see. We did not I mean it's is Daniel. House. With up Lebron at this point after what I watched last, you just use kill word. Which is You just use the kill word that the rocket they. If they make it there would be five. So so so the Lakers. Get out if masks everyone thinks they won't. If they get out of the series, you're taking Houston the next series. Yes. I mean that's just like. See you're doing that? Not because I do I do let's let's get better. It'll be fun. It'll people's bad. It's not quite the people's by. Would you not? Let's say someone gave you a million dollars right now would you not place it on the Clippers to win the western conference like Is there. If you make any bet besides the sixers I feel like you would bet on the sixers winning the series. Before Before he bet on the Lakers winning at this point I think there is no doubt in my mind. The Clippers will be an NBA finals and the team and they're built to win an NBA championship bill perfectly, and now they don't have to. The Lakers don't give. You don't get it to pick the Lakers to win the violence that because I think they're a good team. Because playoff fraud I've picked the cavs. Before the Browns, the Lakers the cash for eight straight years, I. Let's let's revisit Houston they win. Without. Russ we knew the thunder were like Canada feel-good story weren't doing anything nothing changes after one game for you with Houston I just think. They play so hard defensively, and that's always the biggest question mark about them like Roko, really just their gives entourage and it's It's not a question of what they're going to give you defensively. It's a question of well the shots still if the shots fall. Your Fox right. Over, seven games and that's a great strategy. Will it? Will it fall twelve out of twenty one games? You. Know. You're not. That's why that's why I think. You could definitely win the series, right? I think I think win this series without Russell Westbrook shooting just I mean but. Even. If you look at game moment the thunder yesterday you and I bet on its, we're watching it closely what teams try to do with the rocket as what you shouldn't do they try and play style of basketball they try and shoot with them, and that's what but that's what you want for Houston. You know, but a team like thunder can't do that. They don't have that type of three. No one. That's the point. No one has. To match as. Maybe my clippers that is why you can't like the thunder were straight up playing four out yesterday trying to shoot three for three with them. Lakers if you do that, they're screwed they have to stick to their game plan because in in the end Lebron trading twos for threes though, and that's more theory than. I, love more for what he's done because we'll see like obviously rusty's come back healthy and that's why it's. So what are your thoughts on in China? Okay onto onto the Latvian thug porzingas got tossed the other night for me just get this off my chest to heart like soft ass tax. Awesome to tax that were very clearly technical fast like letter of the law, you cannot swing your fist, an automatic technical and letter of the law there an altercation cannot step in and escalate the issue to tax. Was I this guy obviously not we had a bet on him going under. so that was perfectly fine. They were close games. All right. Now, what's the score I know if the over in the game but who is winning? At the end of one. Were pipe to pipe at the. Dallas is up twenty, nine, twenty, five. What are we have to thirty three? Yeah we need some points, but it's fun for pipes. We're fine. No, that's fine. It's fifty four times forced to sixteen. We just need a little pace. We need a little piece. I always loved will Josh I'm done with that work pace Jason. PORZINGAS toss clippers, mavs, close game could win tonight Luca I mean he's GonNa win them a game this series most likely. But once again, the clippers are just to steady, they can score they have Mukoko off Louisville doesn't do anything Lewis. Beverly had five thousand. He didn't do anything. mantras is still coming back. It's just like they're they're literally the last year's Raptors on steroids. They went from Siaka Paul, George they are far beyond the best team in basketball. It's not close far beyond its not close I don't even have more common. I, Porzingus I mean. I don't know what he said in the first like you know the first ones right? Right. There was he probably could have said something that would have got him not anyone. In Latvian Language but. If you're KRISTAPS. I don't care that you're protecting Luca. In a playoff game, you can't talk. You know you have won t right like I'm sure up Tim Hardaway Junior. Dorey. City Smith would have loved to go there and just give a little flick that Chris he flicked up. He didn't do anything I mean. Should you reject him in a playoff game like that? No. Absolutely not. Is it the rule? Yes. I mean, it's it's like. But that's the worst thing is like, do you want? To know the situation which is that Porzingis on it T- like what if that happens tomorrow or tonight in the first quarter? Same exact thing happens like he deserves technical again but because it wouldn't be a second, it's fine. It's you know obviously, I'm being NARC because I hate. It comes down to this is the perfect segue comes down to the BOOMER NBA fans. We hear chuck in Shack on TNT always talking about how the League is soft versus the new NBA and how these the rules you have to abide. Abide by them but why we're talking about boomer. This is a perfect transition into the myth, the man, the myth, the legend. That is Fernando Totti's junior three Oh up ten nothing ten, Thirty Center Center ten, three in late late in the game. Right top. Top Take has a three Oh gets the take call from third base sense guy deep on a grand slam and continues to boast about it in the the dugout. Based small. I mean the padres manager apologize for it people are giving a shit. I've US manager actually called Totti's out to a degree Russia's autumn out. Tease Apologize, which let's just get it straight. There have been more apologized by a guy that hits a Grand Slam over a guy that has been cheating for entire. Having apologize it. But Fernando Totti's listening. Melby. Here's an idea if you don't want people us if you don't want people to hate your sport. Maybe you should give the best player Shit. For making. You want zingers light your players hit dangerous if if you call if you're down three out, throw a better reopen well, the funniest part is, did you see the pitch pitches a great patch and it's an es ball but it didn't even better swaying like what you're talking about the the the unwritten rules of baseball and the boomers of baseball that are obsessed with riches. You I'm shocked right now you're because no because I won't baseball to be popular and I have I have a realist understanding of what it takes to be. This is like the same thing with Bryce, Harper people gave him schiffer doing the same thing early in his career but. The baseball purist that that love baseball for what it is and I think you shouldn't do that on when you're up that many on a three Oh count Yada Yada. Unwritten Rule Save Your on three Ellen, you know the guy's GonNa take you throw a fastball. He didn't throw a fastball you gotta expect the body. So, especially, in the current state of baseball and now people are giving him shit for this and now it seems like the Internet the Internet and baseball fans to different people in my opinion, the Internet's loving Fernando Santis. Baseball people are like some guy. So, I, talked to my baseball purist friend who actually sees both sides and got some good feedback number one his argument was you know we're trying to win the game I didn't see the signed we're trying to you know we want to win the game. We're trying to hit not Totti's just everyone who is backing. Totti's they're saying wants to win the game. To be fair I know you're the hottest player in the League but with a three O. Count and bases loaded you probably if you're trying to win a baseball game, don't you take that pitch because then you know a lot of people are saying three Oh. No matter. What the? Never sweat faces loaded you take the pitch and then Keith Hernandez the mets broadcasts amid a fairly good point and I watched John boy do you know who johnny boy is does a lot of baseball content? He's really good. He does funny stuff. He made a good point that or he was showing the video Totti's actually never looked at third. So he didn't miss a signal like he didn't see anything. So he was just get on up there to swing anyways but Keith Hernandez made a fair point which was it's not that he swung it's that knowing like what could happen hits the Grand Slam and? Then, the next pitch Machado gets thrown at. So it is a bit selfish knowing that even if you're not gonNA respect, the unwritten rule of don't swing in that situation which I don't think you should it's a seven-run game. There's only sixty Guinness using God forbid they come back. That's the biggest nightmare ever but there is argument that Machado, whose are star other star gets thrown at you know at his back because of that selfish Jack that's it. Let the swing the bat like it's a sick imagine wedging imagine giving Jamal Murray Shit urge Donovan Mitchell ships for being twenty seven in the fourth quarter today. At him taking fast-break three pointer. That in the same thing. If. If we do not to mention that not to mentioned today or yesterday I, think that might have been serious right Twitter twitter got out of hand today because he stole third with six Oh lead. That that's not even The third inning though like once again, like it was a six city, these baseball unwritten rules unwritten yet. They're like. It has to be a six round lead. Okay. If it's top nine to out, you're up twelve different story seven runs is not like that's the game's not over I'm sorry it's just. You can't bat toss you can't miss. Meanwhile. Your baseball has is the least popular. It's been in God knows how many years you have a power struggle between the players and the owners right now you want it to be as exciting as you can. Forget forget what happened on the play. It involves the newest most citing player in baseball you like. Head any Grand Slam to lead the League in home runs in Los Angeles. I bet you. Ninety percent of the people would recognize outs crews on the street before they would Mike Trump. Agreed. Without. which is wild to think about why? The although Alex. was taking game shots for the most popular seeming ally with the minutes ago. And my droughts team is under five hundred for like the Eighteenth Street season. All right. Here we go. The most important part of the of the entire podcast is here. If you're listening to this podcast on Thursday August twentieth is the NBA draft lottery. The New York Knicks are currently slate as the eighth most likely to receive the first round pick nine, percent nine, percent four percent chance yet I where locked into the top ten I believe I know I'll be on my instagram live eight thirty I want you to come through for a few minutes We drank a little tonight I'd do a tradition to the last. You're just rip shots waiting a while. Like I feel like it should have been. So tonight, if I would've went live during the sixers game between the first quarter ups in the second quarter Dan entertaining and the second half like Steep Hill but I mean I. Can I just like you're jealous I am so jealous of you right now where the only worry in your world is talk bouncing around and no matter where bounces. One Five, ten, you spin it. No matter what into March draft ever. So if they spend any beyond survey, then then I'm going to spin and again the live. I can't I mean I can't spend this to own deficit because as a team doesn't. Start until a row teams again, that's fine but you can. Buy You know the sixers are dead regardless I know that if the Knicks. In the first ten pick I can continue to say Anthony Davis coming and arse our roster can be a blank slate like hypothetical. You've three all stars on Max deals in that's what every franchise looks for. But now you have three Shitty allstars on Max contracts and you're locked into that nightmare roster with workers so. Okay. Let me just talk. Joel embiid Shitty all-star for today's NBA like I. Don't know if we're ready for this. Conversation. Savings a Shitty for today's NBA I don't know for ready for this conversation. Chat. Chat Chat Roy. So, like I was saying you can blank slate it. You can say, okay if we the first pet we could trade CB three with idiom free agency although someone did read me this roster potential roster that they would want for the Knicks. This is the team Fred Vanfleet Niddle Akina back him up Evan foreign a at the two dots backing him up Deborah. He played. Played. Well, the other day Devon Zell at the three Knox backing him up RJ at the four Jeremy Grant off the band Mitch Rabbit the five rand off the bench. I actually wanted to throw my phone through. So there's highs and lows to being one of the worst teams in the League which is on other. There's there are highs and lows because obviously the highs the optimism. And the lows are the realism. There's there's a reason why you are where the way you are. But as a fan like there's no such thing, the only way is up. Right yeah. No doubt. Spin it like no man just. Like, no matter what pick you get tomorrow if you get the seven pack, right? You'll have top. In Jersey you'll be you'll be talking about the offense you'll be plenty him INS, certain places, I am so jealous like. Okay. We'll get into it at ranked. All right, we're GONNA take a quick break after the break we're going to rank the worst parts of being a sports fan. We'll be right back after this. Stack them I get asked all the time. How do you produce your podcast? Who Do you do your podcasts with? Well, here's your answer anchor anchor. The product of spotify is free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer or distribute it across all the platforms spotify apple podcast, etc, and you can make money starting day one. So download the free anchor up or go to anchor. Dot FM to get started now. 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So in honor of that beautiful thing and then fell starting twenty days where both of our NFL teams will without a doubt dilbert nothing but failure at the end of the day I know we'll both be super glossy Tampa but that's he's hasn't started these seasons have Let's ranked the worst part of being a sportsman I begin as always my number three always start. OAS. That's kind of bullshit. Know. How to do your you don't know how to do your two one to close it. I like hearing a one at after mine right here it is number three. Hours. Years of your life dedicated to grown men playing with a ball in which lock and variance plays a massive part, and there's human error involved in all air. You're saying the relevance of sports in the concept of the greater good. Not necessarily because I understand how important sports our society in terms of emotion business. Bonds, friendship teamwork all that stuff. But when you come to think about it, you're trusting the bounces of a ball as you've experience coupled with human air and lack of intelligence. please. See Ram scenes championship like drew brees. Entire career is going to be defined by the fact that he's going to have one. When he should have played in multiple other ones. So and that's what I'm talking about hours of your life. You took every hour that not only you've consumed sports but reading twitter about sports discussing debating this podcast people who listen to this podcast because of the sports faggot all those hours back the amount of efficiency like. A human. would be like that's like scolding someone for their passion. You know what I mean like if you went to an artist and you said think about the amount of time that you've spent making these paintings and and it's not that's why that's why that's why no one should have passion. No that's why coupled that statement with. Grown men playing with a ball with luck variance. If you're if you spend one hundred, million hours painting, your opinions are either going to be objectively good or bad. I know the human eyes sees things differently. But you're good enough painter. That's fine. You can consume the most amount of sports ever enter teams can still suck. So that's my number three. Number three and it follows pretty hand in hand with my entire life is expectations. Because they've only worked out twice in my life between the phillies and the and the Super Bowl Egos. And when you have expectations, which Jack you as a knick fan don't understand yet but you will soon may only ended heartbreak and those heart though that heartbreak causes you to lose sleep which which goes back to your point you're losing sleep over a ball. And there's lock in variants in human. Right. That's the worst. The worst thing. One of the worst things you can have as a sports fan for your own personal team when you are have a psychotic illness such as myself when it comes to Philadelphia sports is expectations. So let's do a quick exercise for you. Number two. How many years have you been alive? Twenty four years say, when did you start actually and actually? in nine days the twenty eighth do we record now? We're GONNA. Miss It. It's my answer. Have Birthday I know I got gotta marked nowhere. Half a sweatshirt short asleep. What is what age would you say you start? Remember Liked Eagles Phillies, flyers I remember the eagles going back to. The early the first super bowl like that four. So I was eight or nine. Okay. So let's call it but I remember the sixers. Before that right. But let's call it. Let's call it sixteen years of really remembering season's not in full. But Sixteen years you've got flyers Phillies Eagles you've got sixers. Okay. So Fourteen Penn state's been in there for six years. We've had six seasons of that maybe like I don't care about their policy basketball team, but it's not like if they if they were good, you would've but. Right like like I like I would consider. My Lebron James Fandom as opposed to, let's say switch team, which has switch has three rings or five if you're. So. Sixteen years on average. You cared about four season. That's sixty four seasons that you've watched and you WANNA title in two of them, which nets out to three percent success rate, which honestly is like a higher success rate and almost worth at the end of the day. But you have a ninety seven percent chance of failing every time. The. Problem about that as I go into every year understanding that this is one of the worst things up being sports, fans expectations, and I still have them because I'm asked being a sports fan as my number two is that every sports fan like they're kind just like forced to follow Darrin Rowsell on twitter And that sounds. Like. A house is like one of the one of the worst follow she's not even including everywhere but every every sports fan follows Darren road also, it's Kinda just like an unwritten Roy like you shouldn't hit a three Obama when you're upset runs in the eighth and you can't. Everyone follows Darren Val. They just like had just accepted. Clay Travis rebel who do you dislike more? Different reasons mostly, Rove Al, because he's been doing it for longer, he's got the experience I remind number two is the teas. So it's different than your expectations. Expectations are one thing. It's kind of over the course of season. You don't win the championship you fall short of expectations, the teas that your favorite teams will give you are just. Like like you're talking about Ravens last year. No Ravens last year was like the least tease I'm talking Ravens the eight years before I'm talking e-even opposite in the end zone I'm gonNA. Jaffrey jobs. and. That's just those are the big examples. But even in in regular season Games, seahawks game, you guys are getting killed, you get a single I down against them down two touchdowns you're like, oh, we're coming back and then you have to relax him for another hour where the Games just GonNa go another direction the teas, and it could be more of a philly be more Raven saying but I'm pretty sure most fans deal with the tease thinking about you the thing. For me I've been going through like heartbreak for multiple teams for multiple years. You really have only been doing it with the Ravens. I mean yeah. The Orioles I go multiple times a year. No else were John I'm I am fucked up in the head. And because of that statement, my final number one worst part of being a sports fan is you're stuck AK, you don't have a choice real I'll just wait. And and you just talked about the only real heartbreak for me has been the ravens. But when I talk about stock for twenty years, I couldn't root for baseball team. There was no team to root for Oreos did not win over five hundred percent or fifty percent of their games, and this isn't even for us because I honestly think as much heartbreak as we've experienced, it's been generally net a positive experience. I mean Goto. Frikkie if you're born in the year two thousand and five or even in two thousand and only five years you're from Detroit. You're like Dean Right Dean has not in his lifetime watch the Miami Dolphins. Win A playoff game think about that consulate. But but but think about where he is in Miami that's why that's why there's not expectations in those places be no he is higher expectations than you could even imagine he's not all there the head, but you look at a lot of. You look at a lot of other people. All The he does the heater Bron, they weren't even necessarily selling out games I don't care because there's other shit to do people don't care. League match. The. Lakers if the Lakers were the Lakers in a cold weather city or not Los Angeles, we may be like a a phoenix where it's still warm. But it's not klitzing glamour of La and they were still going through those years. But they had all that success they wouldn't have been that popular. But it's the fact that there is I mean, you know what I mean. It's just I just think you don't get to pick like it's normally your parents are the reason you're fan or the place you were born. You know have you ever met kids where I think I think The reason that Josh Shakeups is a chargers. Fan is thick. The kids are you ask you are you a? While you're colts fan. Oh, when I was like saw, a really liked the colors. But at least you would have gotten stuck with pain many like some kids just get stuck because they have a brother who's a fan of the semen they pick imagine you're in La same scenario and your twin brothers like Ahmir, Lakers and everyone in your family spent and you know there's kids out there who are like, all right screw, the Lakers clippers fan, and for the past twenty years you have been just. Miserable Franchise Zero Rings that's all you hear about. But then there's the come up of and we'll have to do best parts of being a sports fan one day when we have a good experience sometime down the route I mean. That that, we can do to rights that I got. I. Have nothing to do with my team's performance. Let's number one. Did you do your number one I thought you're working stuff being stuck the teas being stuck and then hours of life. My number one is betting Yeah. Because because it gets you when you when you when you're a sports fan, you follow sports then you get introduced a bedding and you think you know a lot because you follow sports turns out. And we're fine. We're fine fifty percent chance to win this game. Don't worry well, and if you WANNA use my number two to complement your number one. The teas of sports betting. I don't I. Don't think the teeth think the word you're looking for this could go and the best part of sports is the rush. Yeah there's A. But we're Russia's with the fact that you get introduced the bedding and then not to mention you bet on your own team right there's nothing dumber than let me. Let me let me just give you the number. One rule of betting fan. Would you bet on your own team they never win They. Never win. Loss I don't bet on the eagles anymore. I don't on the Sixers I. Bet player props for got encounter won't on the game result it just actually that's not true by the eagles the eagles I really don't panelists who was a primetime game that doesn't count. Here's a lot of rules pry. It's pretty much anytime. You don't have that on a one o'clock game at home against the. NFC West. That's only rule. Let's get eagles sitting here to break this up. This sounds like a pity party for a guy who has a nine percents when the number one pick tomorrow a you've got nothing alright Eagleson. You've got a minute a bring up the clock and count him down. This is what the puck the CAP stayed. Alive Event Skin Beagle flyers were they about to be down if they lose say. Eagle said your first four seconds of this. I know the flyers and the haves are playing right now tell me where they are in the game and what the scores the rear three. To One. Down three two to going into the third. The first round, it's almost already over it feels like just started but we have four teams who have moved on already those being the Vegas Golden Knights eliminated Chicago the Tampa Bay lightning who eliminated the Columbus Blue Jackets and the Boston Bruins who eliminated the Carolina Hurricanes also, the Colorado Avalanche who are my cup pick beat the shit out of the coyotes with back-to-back seventy, one be downs. There's also a few teams on the brink of elimination. The islanders are leading Jackson capitols three to one apes. Flyer areas lead Montreal, three games to one that games happening right now like already said, there are down one of the third, but I still think the flyers move on. The Dallas Stars are up three games to two over the Calgary flames and maybe in one of the better series of the bubble, the connects and the defending. Champs Saint Louis. Blues are all tied up a two after the after the connects a two-game series lead in some in some other hockey news the bruins starting goaltender to grass pull the. Unfortunately I'll update the people to harass like just dipped from the bubble I. think there's some weird shit. He like is like marriages mom or something us what I heard. Apparently. That's what it is not here to tell us otherwise flyers are like really fucking good, right right. Congrats I'm excited for you. Because, you need it. You absolutely need it. That's pretty much all we've got. We've got washed King Tall Andre, Miller you got the sixers down to you've got an instagram live today if you're listening on Thursday oh, my live it's going to be electric I'll be like. I'll probably take a shot for every pick. We need to skip in the draft to get to one. Should I Just you know I have nothing Tamar I drink in join yet like. It was one of the more fun things I. Let me ask you I let's just let's do this. The next of the first pick who you want. I. One And K Second Wiseman. Water I. Don't know who goes. It depends who gets. That you're one goes your goes. Okay. Aunt. Why Zeman Lamelo? Top That's very much. I expect they say you know what they say you never get any. Well we we got two of them ain't no stopping top and. That is what? What do you think? Where do you think we'll lamb what's more likely top five or number tone. Number ten. Yeah. No. Not What if the next got the first pick let's play that game though real quick 'cause like I said, the tease which is draft. Source Drafts of the century. Wiseman, an aunt are good. So I feel like we're back to back three type of thing we can give the third again, not have a clear number three be stuck in a situation where it's like Lamelo ball or so you know the beauty of it. Right here next year. That's the beauty of it and we'll talk about the beauty of sports. Next. Let's do that next week we'll do that on average. will be up to nothing on the Bruins I'll be feeling good about life cities. Sports Philadelphia will have left the bubble longtime ago. We appreciate the love as always a great episode we got we got a little tipsy for, but that's Kinda just maybe that's five I. Don't Know Man I. We will talk to you on Monday everybody have a great weekend snapback much love Fire Brett, Brown.

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PHI/TOR and POR/DEN Game 7s; POR/GSW Look Ahead; Vogel to Lakers

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PHI/TOR and POR/DEN Game 7s; POR/GSW Look Ahead; Vogel to Lakers

"Well, one scribe a frequent guest of this podcast, Mark Stein. Said that this going in looked like the best second round ever on paper. I agreed with them, and it absolutely lived up to its billing. We gotta talk about that crazy guy shot and the raptors ninety two ninety victory over the Sixers another great game in Denver with CJ McCollum scoring thirty seven to lead Portland to an upset victory on the road. And then we will preview the Western Conference finals and make our picks in which one Danny Larue, experienced the glory of getting right? A game seven victory on the road for the blazers. But first we just have to talk about what quiet Leonard did in this game for the raptors, including of course, that ridiculous vinyl shop, right? And I think this put into stark relief just how and why the trade that messiah jury had the guts to pull off in the off season happened because a lot of these Leonard shots, you know, he didn't have the greatest night. From the field sixteen of thirty nine. I mean, the thirty nine is absolutely astonishing there. But I want to start with the fourth quarter. So quiet, Leonard six of nine in the fourth quarter. But every single one of those attempts was a jump shot. He was just taking these hard shots going into the last game of the going into the on tired legs most of them. Well, contested not all of them, but most of them will contested. And he was just huge. He was massive in this game taking and making the shots that derozen allow ary in prior years just couldn't really put together. And so they were able to win this massive game win this massive series and go to the conference final yell Leonard started off just having to take it to the rim. Ada thirteen at the rim in the first three quarters because he couldn't buy joke shot he missed his first eight jumpers was only two of twelve on jumpers got a two minute rest, very briefly at the start of the fourth drama actually extend the lead by two during that period. And then he came back fresh as a daisy five of five for mid range and. One three pointer, including that incredible fading jump shot over Joel Embiid. We're going to talk a lot more about the very end of this game. But just that shot, which we again at the privilege of doing live on the NBA cast, it just the only shot of that type of significance that I can remember, I guess there's two that come to mind and be history. Even though it didn't bounce around as much one was Don Nelson's crazy shot in game. Seven of the sixty nine files at bounce thousand feet up in the air and threw that wasn't a game winner and then Allan Houston, which wasn't technically a buzzer beater, but won the series for the New York. Knicks a floater that goes from the free throw line in game five nine hundred ninety nine which was an eight one series that bounced way up in the air and dropped through this one was even more than that. And seeing it bouncer on and just staring with our mouths agape. And that led to that icon ick photo of Embiid trying to like look around the backboard and see whether it was gonna bounce it and Leonard head. Time to actually get down into a squat at try to will the ball into the basket. It was just one of the most iconic shots in NBA history and it joins Damian Lillard 's as defining iconic shots from these playoffs. I don't want to compare the two because they're they're very different. And I love each of them as emblematic of that player Lillard having the having the guts to pull that shot over Paul George, and then why running around basically getting getting a second defender on him. Getting a great contest throws the ball sky high and just puts it in because Leonard he can he can make ridiculous shots. He's an incredible player. And I think to go from there. I want to start from. On that chart to he said Roz golden at the game that he tried to get as much arc on it. And that was clear from that bait has it baseline camera view, he shot it so much higher than his door will shot, which is usually pretty flat. And nonetheless, like just has amazing touch me. You're not usually from that far out. But there's so many shots that he took in this series that were short and just kinda died on the rim had the requisite back spin on it and bounce inform. And this was I mean, he probably had ten of those in this series. And we take a lot of shots. You get a lot of chances for. But that was just to have it bounce four times like that. And just the agony of just all. Thank God, he missed Ono. This might go in its bouncing monster with each bounce. It's more like that it goes in. And then finally it just daggers right through your heart. I mean, I couldn't I can't imagine what that must have been like as a competitor for the Sixers to see that. That's the shot that you're gonna lose on well, especially with the game that was so physically exhausted. Like, you're you're sitting there, and you're like, okay, okay. I'm. I'm sure they started some of them started thinking about overtime. And then not not only do not get overtime. Your season's done. You season is over. And I love my personal favorite are shots. The turn a loss to a win. But this was just gargantuan. It was a massive shot, and especially with the with the fan base that has been tortured the way that the raptors have and this is no way like making the conference finals is a great step. It doesn't absolve all of those things all of that pain, but a huge shot. And I think another important thing to talk about at the very beginning to be the story of this game was the guy who contested that shot. Joel Embiid played forty five minutes in this game. Twenty one eleven for three blocks four turnovers. We'll talk about that too. He was plus ten in a game his team lost by two. And that has never happened before as far as we know basketball. References data back to two thousand never before has a player been plus header more in forty five minutes or more and had his team lost the game. That we know of an MBA in regulation regular. Yeah. Yeah. In regulation, a forty eight minute game before tonight regular season or playoff. And that shows just how viable and beat was defensively when he didn't have it rolling off until he did some more things tonight. I did get up to twenty one points in a what was an offensive struggle of a game three blocked shots. And I think he was something just crazy like he's like well over plus fifty for the series, it might even been more than that. And consider how many minutes he played an heroic performance for him. Obviously not in the greatest of shape with all the knee issues coming off the illness to play forty five minutes, and he had to play that many. Because obviously, it was a complete disaster. The moment he went out of the game. Once again, just like it was a in game six. So that's that's really Bo. Bon Mike, Scott, Greg Monroe, certainly the other guys on the team deserve some blame for that. Also to not an 'cause there's really couldn't score in game. Six was the big problem. Here was more. The defy. But you still have all these great players that they shouldn't be just getting destroyed by over appoint a minute. Or in this case, four points per minute. I need to grow four points permanent. When Joel beat is is off the floor got beat in this game. But still to not have a better backup center option when you have one of the more fragile guys in the NBA at that position. And you need to preserve him as well to not have any kind of an option there number one going into the season. And number two at the trade deadline is really just not good enough from Phillies front office. And are that is maybe the biggest reason certainly from a statistical standpoint that they are going home. I think this stat might even be this. I haven't seen anybody posts this yet. And I can't it because of the timing of games. I can't get it all the way on the NBA's official site. I'll have to check it on by what I'm looking at. Joel Embiid had the best plus minus of the second round period plus ninety plus ninety oh I've plus fifty was way off he's plus ninety. And then the next two. Guys. It's eight listed games for the nuggets because that series ran longer the Eastern Conference second round started before. But I mean, absolutely incredible. And what thing you you'd have to look at too was drawl has to falls Brett Brown takes him out of the game for the last thirty seconds of the second quarter. I guess the thinking being well, we don't want him to pick up his third. So we'll take him out for this defensive possession. Well, guess what? His main value is on defense. And also, guess what? Getting his third foul with twenty four minutes and twelve seconds left in the game is in a different that him getting his third foul with twenty three minutes and forty eight seconds left in the game. It doesn't matter at all. There's nothing special about going into halftime with that third foul or getting it right away. So at and they went right at who's Kalari went right at Greg Monroe and got an one and that was three points that they lost by two. I mean, they're and they're not just that obviously. And I I'm not an agreement that broad should lose his job. Which is the rumor that's going to happen. And there are plenty of other mental mistakes that popped out. I think the next thing that we have to turn to here is that Philly wait before we can I go and I give the actual stat. I pulled it. Oh, okay. Here's the top five plus minus for the second round of the playoffs now than it is complete number five is a tie between Janas and Nicola Mirta plus forty number number four is Chris Middleton at plus forty six number three's joe-marie Maria. Plus fifty number two is Dakota Yokich A-plus sixty and number one is Joel Embiid a plus Ninety-one so all three of the top players in plus minus played today. All three of them are not moving onto the next round. Yeah. And now Mason probably is supposed to provide a little bit more behind Yokich then. Yeah. And plus it might not be all, but we saw how differently and how much worse. The Sixers played when Embiid was not in the forest specially on the defensive, and that's it fell apart there at Villa Park on offense. And you know, maybe it got to the point where it was psychological for this group. It were it was almost a self fulfilling prophecy when. He would go out of the game. But yes, the next place. I think we need to turn though is Toronto played a little harder than Philadelphia in this game. And the offense of glass was enormous. They're quiet lettered had four offense of rebounds in this game. And that's despite the fact that he had probably the biggest load of any player in this game. With those thirty nine field goal attempts. Sergio Baca also had four offense of rebounds as that big lineup continued to pay off pretty well for Toronto. They won three of four games in the series. After breaking out that console in Baca together the lineup and then they completely shut off the offense of glass refilling five offense rebound for Billy where they had at times dominated with that as well. And so a love and more offense of rebounds. Six more second chance points the fast break was used for the raptors ten of their first thirteen points were fast break points, and they only got sixteen fast-break points overall. But when they were really struggling at the beginning, they got some fast break points, but vanfleet got fouled in transition. A couple of times. And since apparently, he's never ever gonna make an actual shot from the field. Again. Those were not good falls and then Phillies turnovers as well. A lot of those were forced certainly as Toronto had ten steals and their defense was unbelievable in this game. And we'll talk about that down the end, but still to lose the turnover battle fifteen to ten and ten of those being live ball. It was really really difficult to win that way. And they almost it because they out shot the raptors fifty eight percent true shooting for Philly. Forty seven percent for Toronto. But that hustle in the possession game that Phillies shot at better from three Toronto. We said, hey, if their role players don't hit shots, they're gonna be in big time. Trouble in this game. It's gonna be really close. And that's what would there seven hundred thirty from downtown Lowry was one seven gazelle was one out of four Isaka crazily hit three of their seven three pointers. And he was below thirty percent from the year though. Previously used to be a good three point shooter before this. But he was somehow found his confidence and he made three out of five including this routine. Louis one over Ben Simmons late in the clock where he looked like Klay Thompson like shooting with his legs spread out and like not even able to jump. But it was really the effort of the raptors in yet another game where they didn't have their shooting touch that ultimately allowed them to keep it close enough that I was able to win it for at the at perk leaning glass. Philadelphia was ten points per hundred possession more efficient in half court offense. But they were there a much higher proportion at the time and the offensive rebounds. That's another way of framing. What you just said. By thought I thought it was a good way of thinking about it that and it looked at what Phillies half court offense wasn't great. But it was a whole lot better than Toronto's a lot of Michelle from both of these teams that that is themed throughout Sunday's game sevens. And what was really kind of ridiculous when I was thinking about this game between between I started between when we record between when we finished. And when we recorded this was how few raptors I thought like really had a good game. You know, why played well, Serge Ibaka was huge. But I Kyle Lowry. Danny green had some good defensive plays. But. He wasn't great Siaka seemed a little bit tentative to me. Well, they all had a good game on defense though, especially I wanna talk. I want to talk about that funny. And but it happens sometimes it game seven Zeno teams teams are your they're working so hard defensively. It's a lot of contested shots. It can look ugly at times or a lot of the time in in both of these games. But yeah, the defense, and that's a good a good thing to talk about here. I mean, those what is why rewatch the fourth quarter? The last the last three minutes was almost defensive perfection. Yeah. They three possessions in a row for Toronto. Philly either barely got shot up or just turned it over that one with the shot clock violation one where Butler air balled in. It probably should have been a shot clock violation. But they just let draw Joe down the other way. And then they were down to two on the shot clock with absolutely nothing going on. At Lowry got a huge steel away from impede through a head of Siachen for a layup. But to put him forward seemed like that was the game with under two minutes left there. But those three possessions all of which I think came after stoppages so put a nail in the or another nail. In the coffin of offense is more efficient after you. Call time out and it was just amazing defense early in the period. They were getting hurt a little bit with the Butler pick and roll with Embiid going at Gasol. They started having him bead pop out, and I was upset with Gasol early for how many times he closed out way too hard on Embiid, and let him get a drive to the point where you wonder if he was actually instructed do that if it wasn't a mental error, and they just said, hey, we think we get Giralda put it on the floor will rotate to him. We'll force turnovers of because Kosovo's too smart to just do that over and over again anything. But anyway, eventually when they're playing that way Butler is able to get a couple of looks at against gazelle. And so they decided we're going to try and put two on the ball with Butler, and then we'll rotate over to impede Sergio Baca had a great play rotating out to impede force him to drive baseline. And then he threw a flaming bag to Butler in the corner is the shot clock ran down then Lowery, another great play going to get him beat as they were. Just so good getting for hand off. They just like Siaka. And this is a guy who's like six nine just would not allow themselves to be screened kept the nine to buy his Harris who couldn't get a touch Rettig every time. He did pop three just a little bit. They're able to have the big come out it and take that away. And then rotate behind the play, it was just absolutely awesome. Raptors defense with the athletes that they had on the floor and the size and the for was green out. They had Siaka at the three evocative four and allow who was really the only small guy, and he's a really tough and smart as well. So they were just absolutely flying around. It was incredible to see. And remember they were flying around on defense and doing all this without Danny green on the floor. One of their best defenders because they were able to play with so much length in and have the big men moved really really well, and some of the limitations affiliate did help that and also Jimmy Butler sprained ankle, I think helped that but huge huge defense from the from the raptors and that. Yeah. As you said that that steal from Kyle Lowry that gave them an. Nope. And layup makes that so with one minute and fourteen seconds left Toronto's afford. Remember the last three possessions had been Philly not really doing much, but then they got back into it. Yeah. Lowry had a bad file just putting hands on polar and kudos to money mccutchen and his referees. Mccutchen swore at the start of the season. The game would not be called differently at the end of games and in the playoffs and yet Lowery puts his hands on Butler. Maybe that gets let go it in past years. But that's about an and they had to call it Butler though, mystic key free throws. So it was only a three point game and the raptors had a very long possession. Co I missed and evocative was able to get the rebound. They pass it out. Call time out eight seconds on the shot clock. They got a really tough Kawai fadeaway three and Philly used their last time out with twenty four seconds left and Toronto went into switching everything which worker at they even kept Kosolin the four, but he's switched everything. Billy ran a plate for three. You know, how much we loathe the quick to in that situation down. Three but just Toronto. Switching was perfect Siaka was all over the place. They took away everything. So finally, it was embodied in the post Lowry and lower actually tipped it away from him and be got it back, and then he Baca it looked like a questionable call. But then when you see the replay from behind the pass kit. He clearly like slammed his chest into his growing up. So Embiid hits a couple of free throws. And then it just a complete failure to deny the ball imbalance to Kawai by Philly. Right and Toronto does exactly what team should in the circumstance, which is right after those free throws have your best shooters get to places where ideally where they can catch the ball and not get trapped if you can pull both those off more power to you and Phillies just didn't have a plan Rettig scrambles over there after quite caught the ball in his started turning up court. Yeah. But you you knew you weren't gonna get very far. But he did that. And then what will hear this is the key point here too by not having to use the time out there and not preemptively using it by actually just taking it chance to inbound the ball when you couldn't number one. They got it to the rest free throw shooter. Yeah, you missed it. But it was good. Execution Tobias Harris just was like standing in guarding knowing they just nobody ran a quad to try to deny. But by not having to use the time out there. Remember, they had already used one where I just sprinted out on the floor. They had one lot. And that's what enabled Kuwata hit that shot at the end. So quiet Leonard goes to the line and paralleling game six in twenty thirteen in the NBA finals sorry to bring up more pain for Spurs fans who are listening to this podcast. But you're going to have plenty to. That's just the way it is why splits the free throws. And so then Philly they get this opportunity to really to get back in the game and goose soul. He went for the offense reward actually got a pretty good pussy and got a hand on it. But inadvertently his tip out number one meant that. He wasn't back on defense and number two. It goes right to think Harris everyone else on trial was getting back, David. So there's no one to get that tip. And it inadvertently just ended up being an outlet Harris. Got it to Butler who just pushed it up and went right in on a bucket Butler had previously sprained his ankle in the fourth quarter trying. To play defense on Kauai. But didn't look worse for wear. Just got it over the shop. Locker is a really nice finish for him to tie the game. And with four seconds off Toronto head to beat feeling shellshocked. That felt like such a disaster. Where you've got you could put you up three to miss that free throw. And then immediately give up the fast break bucket the other way, but to just been so deflating, but fortunately, they head coach buy at the ready, and yeah, they double teamed and be couldn't quite keep them contained. I mean again, it's about as good a defensive you can play. It was interesting because it was a double team. But and I'm not criticizing him for this in the slightest, but Embiid functionally screened away Simmons because he's just sticking with them and beat is a large human being it's very difficult to get through him. It's impossible to get through them. It's very difficult to get around. So he tracked and I don't think it'd be did anything particularly wrong there. But it is what got Simmons way. I thought Simmons had done a really nice job on July further major that possession. Simmons had had to switch off after getting a fifth. Follow on. A coli floater sue quick break. Here. We could talk a few more points about this game before we get into Denver Portland. 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I have not bought a single suit that is not Indochino in a long time. And again, don't forget that cap space code to tell him where you came from. I think Philly will be kicking themselves over just a few mental mistakes here and there like one was gazelle got a wide open three during that time when I was on. The bench because they just didn't know who they had the match up was supposed to be Embiid unseen Akot. But then when you also had Genucel and Yuba out there dinners like are we gonna put to Smalls on each of these big eyes and Tobias Harris get didn't know who he was supposed to have a end is give up a wide open three to gasoline and Harrison in guarding sold the whole gay on a why it would have been switched up at that point in time. I think Toronto's just mental toughness in this game. And in the series down to one and ill a lot of that has guys who have been here before like Kawai, Leonard, you know, it's not like calorie had some awesome game tonight offensively evocative did through the Houston who'd had some playoff failures with this group. But just every time Philly one run they went up seven than they took the they dared to take him beat out of the game for two minutes and immediately gave up that lead in the third. Philly came back and took a lead in the second Lowery, hit a huge three fading into the corner. And obviously that very last time when Billy tied the game. Koi had the ultimate answer. I had a few other place that struck out as well one. I thought that at various moments in the game, especially in that late going Toronto got a few kind of like found money and it happens in every game. I'm not saying it would they were particularly lucky. But that there was one where Kyle Lowry. It looks like he just chucked up like a deep too late in the clock. And because you have to put the shot up, and it went in and those the play work Kawai got trapped and couldn't get the ball to anyone in Lowery, just never stopped moving. And finally got it made it impossible shot and then another huge play in the late going shortly before that back to back to back effective shot clock violations from the Sixers day tied the game on jayjay Riddick. Three point play correctly called surge. Baca went right into him. And that was a really big one to take kind of looked like Toronto was building momentum. And then Philly got that back. And then eventually eventually they they tied it again. But I thought that shot by Rettig was the other rentals like a Golden State Warriors look getting Simmons into the post and then bringing Rettig all the way for the record. Recorded the words, don't really Rolette anymore. They used to in like twenty fifteen like for Klay Thompson to have him run. All the way to the opposite side of the court around a post op it and shoot it was the late getting out there. The unready another interesting cat and mouse game Philly got three for Rettig with a nice set that they ran with Harris posting Lowery office. Switch Gusau would try to go and help on that is the closest defender. And then as soon as he went to help they had Embiid go screen away for Rennick. And so then they ran it again to start the fourth quarter. Toronto was all over it. They knew exactly it was coming. They guarded Radic perfectly and forced them into a bad shot on that play. The Sixers scored thirteen points on the first twenty seven possessions, John shoe had this that and then their next thirteen possessions. They scored twenty six points. It really wasn't actually that bad of an offensive game after that eighteen to thirteen a first quarter in which both teams were absolutely miserable. The Sixers had like below fifty offense of reading in that first quarter. And at one point they were one out of ten from three and then they closed the game. A quite strong. So anything else we can say just on like what the problems were for a little bit of a post mortem for them here before we move on to Denver, Portland, lack of capable depth. Think was a huge part of this this this just in this just in. But Toronto is a really good team. Even know vanfleet overall didn't have a great series. They had surge Baca who they could trust. And they got I think Philly got more out of NS than I expected. Mike Scott wasn't great in this game. But he had some nice performances in this series and Phillies digits didn't have enough. You know, they they tried a bunch of different options. They tried Monroe in this game. They've tried Bolden in previous games went to Bogue on a couple of different times. And we knew that their starting five was really talented. We expected that they would play ball together. I believe that was largely the case and to move themselves into this rarefied air of these top teams. I mean, the bucks and raptors are both unbelievable squads is really impressive and Toronto got all they could handle in Philadelphia and with a little bit better depth. And all the all the kind of mistakes. I mean, remember they hadn't ammonia deletes a and then that deal fell through. We thought they could do more with minimum contracts, and he's getting jobs NS was was big help. And getting in getting Mike Scott was a help in in the blonde by his hair straight. But I mean, just you could go all over the rust. They're not getting any shooting losing sham it in that trade. You know, imagine what he could have done. Somebody asked us that in the NBA cast like yeah sham. It would have been huge for them in this series could have been reliable irrelevant viable place for shooting and they treated four first round picks century if you want to count Chevy to me is probably better than your average for Trump because he actually proven that he can't play and definitely better than your average Philly for shrimp because their picture probably going to be late. They're still really good. So that obviously, it's disappointing. Of course, the fit issues will come up. I mean Simmons to me they did about as much as they could with him. And he showed me a lot defensively as a perimeter defender in these places work on Dangelo. Russell was awesome. I thought he did about as well as could be hoped on Kawai. I would have liked to seen them over. For all as a strategy. Try and force him left a little bit more than they did because going to his right? He is really damaging. And that's where he hit all of his shots in the fourth quarter. But know, he's he's pretty capable of going to his left to. So that's not like an obvious one Jimmy Butler struggled tonight. And part of the reason which we didn't talk about at all here is that they decided to put Hawaii on Jimmy Butler for most of the game and aim for collided guard do Butler antique three nine shots was just incredible. And Butler d get going just a little bit in the fourth quarter with some of that pick and roll action. He got that break, obviously. But overall Kawai really did have been tastic Java on him, and we had showed that. Yeah. Sorry. I was gonna mention of Jimmy Butler is five buckets. At least two of them were with Markelle soul guarding him after screen now. I mean, go is in theory supposed to get through that screen, but I guess. Yeah. And so that those a pretty good adjustment. Because Butler, really hurt them and engaged. Seven Dewar died Kawai had a chance to kind of chill out on Ben Simmons before this. But and then the other thing that they did which was really interesting the first half was they decided just double Embiid on the catch. And we question that on the NBA cast initially of just eight consoles done a pretty good job. And and why are you going to do that? I think there are a couple of reasons for it. You know, I'm not sure whether it was good or pets ready one was if you've got quiet Butler, he's not your main help guy under the rim now with Simmons just in the dunker spot. And so if that's Dany green or or Siaka me guys just not quite as good help instincts. Maybe you're worried that Embiid yet going a little bit more. Another reason would be while. We don't want to soul to get an early foul trouble. And then also maybe just prevent Embiid from developing the confidence, but I don't think immed- even had a single straight post up in the second half. It was all picking pop try to attack off the dribble face up. He faced up one time. He he. It a step back on undersold at all of it was pretty much out on the floor facing up attack. The basket rather than the posts up game two souls who can completely out of that. And they're right to go away from it, frankly. But I did think you might have tried it when it was one on one. But I think if they're doubling they got pretty good looks off of that in the second quarter. Maybe that's something they could have gone to a little bit more was just throw thrown into Joel if they're going to straight double let's just get him into rotation as long as you can do it early. Yeah. And I am absolutely fascinated in intrigued by how depending free agents on both of these teams. But most notably on the Sixers because they're the team that we're not that that isn't gonna keep playing how they interpret this result because Tobias Harris I thought he played a good game. He didn't touch the ball that you know, he was he was more of an ancillary player. And there is an argument that there could be a conception of the Sixers next year where he touches the ball more that might be Jim butlers playing elsewhere. And then for Jimmy Butler. I think odds are depending on where he goes that. I I don't think he's going to be on a team as good as this. So is he satisfied with this result? Maybe this. Is the with the shaking out differently? This day could make the conference finals they could win the NBA title with more depth all those sorts of things. And so what those players prioritize is is altogether a separate and important question. But do they feel like this is unfinished business are? They like this is close as you can get. I mean last second shot defended. Well by one of the best players in the league. And so and not player might not be on that team anymore either. Yeah. Is tough. But they made this bed with Tobias Harris when they traded four first round picks essentially form and Jimmy Butler. They didn't give up as much, but he was certainly a needed player in these playoffs. He provides an element that they desperately need a pick and roll play making. And then if you're going to have those guys how to Simmons fit in any definitely was under utilized to some degree would be a much better fit. If he could use the ball in his hands where I do think that more of him back to goal trying to post up a would be helpful was spacing around but Butler is not most comfortable as as a three point shooter. It's these guys have a lot. A talent. And with maybe a better backup center they win this series. Who knows? But also, I actually think they were a little bit above their head in this series of you look at and I'm guessing those was probably the case again tonight Toronto had the better shot quality in all seven games of the engine shot at abnormally badly from three point range. And maybe this isn't a as close of a series otherwise particularly in that game two loss. So they do have a lot of guys who can make shots. Maybe you just try to get those guys as assets under contract if you need to move one of them. But still to me Ben Simmons remains the most logical guy to move. It's just a question of what that packages, and then how much that player would cost as well. With Simmons gonna need a max contract soon. It's going to be very interesting off season. I hope for Phillies safe that they don't fire Brett Brown. I don't know who the better coaches who's available right now to him. And I think there are a few little oils. You know, we talked about again beat out there's some things, but I think overall his appre progressive stance. Gigi does a pretty good job of getting along with his players. In getting them to share the ball. There's not a ton that I look at right now as their scheme, and that that's what killed them. I think it was the lack of a pension. Joel Embiid having one good offensive game in the series. And I think Braun got as much out of this group as he could they were substantial underdogs in the series to be into. They should be really proud of the effort that they've had and they were up against an absolute juggernaut of a team in in a I thought they exceeded expectations. But ownership reportedly does not see it that way. And I think it's also interesting going forward here for you know, to have this iconic moment interrupters uniform and experience that Atalay Shen perhaps that makes it a little harder for him to leave. Even if they do end up flaming out at some point in the next couple of rounds. Let's turn now to Denver Portland another fantastic game and the place to start here. With a big game seven road win is with the classic performance. One of the great game. Sevens by CJ, McCall CJ was absolutely fans. Tastic? Let's do the full line. I thirty seven points seventeen of twenty nine from the field. All but three of those twenty nine shots were to pointers got to the line for two free throws. So that was thirty seven points on thirty shooting possessions, despite basically just taking twos and hit a ton of massive shots. Also had a definitive chase down block which will break down in more detail later and Lillard had enough night a series of other blazers offensively tons of Michelle for both of these teams. I mean that we'll we'll talk about that. But CJ kept them afloat. And he he was awesome. It was a their players in this league. It's one of the separators of their that can take and make tough shots. And a lot of CJ shots were well-contested and not every mid range shot is a bad shot. But but the special players are the ones that you want taking those CJ McCollum unquestionably one of those players CJ and Dame Lillard deserve a ton of credit for the improvement that they have made against trapping. Defenses. We saw them struggle with that against New Orleans a year ago as their Unser ammonia asleep swept out of the first round. They just came up with a ton of counters to that setting screen siren, the not granted they weren't going up against Anthony Davis this row or in that running until KC for that matter. But one of the ones was the ability to snake through and split that trap. Just went poll around your own screener and CJ had one of those late in the game to get an open. Look, you'll Lillard to the same thing. He's still was able to get penetration on most of those plays yet, eight assists in the shot was not going down a low. He hit two huge ones in the fourth quarter is only three out of seventeen in his forty five minutes. Both see Jan Dame played the entire second half, by the way in. So it really was a team wide thing to beat that strategy. And for the nuggets what they're trying to do is protect their big in pick and roll defence and get the ball out of those guys hands Lillard head by far his lowest usage in the regular season against any team against. The nuggets and those guys were able to get up forty six shots forty six of the blazers ninety three shots between those guys. And that was just enough it and also credit today more for recognizing. He's in the middle of a rough game and just letting CJ be- the engine down the end. There's not a lot of guys who do it. There's a possession late where Dame is about to go get a DA Joe. And he says, no and goes and gets CJ in the corner and screens for him. So he can go get the Joe, I think McCollum scored it on that possession. And that's when people talk about the type of leadership Lillard ship. I was about to say in Portland. That's an Dame is really happy move be moving on. He had his Mona glory in the first series. And it was CJ's turn it in this one that to be the main offense of engine, and that thirty seven points was fantastic something that I think is notable and amazing about this game Lillard McCullum and NS Kanner all played forty plus minutes. No other blazer played more than half of this game. Two of their. Starters were basic were barely a part of the one didn't play in the second half. One didn't play that much in the second half. And then a lot of the backups filled in those gaps. So it really was three solid pieces who basically played the entire second half. And then through trying different things around it to see what we're another big part of the story. This game was Portland's fifteen percent shooting from three was actually only second worst in this game because Denver shot eleven percent. From three Denver did not make a three pointer in the second half. There were two out of nineteen Portland was four hundred twenty six and Lillard. We said already didn't have a good game between for three to four nine. Well, actually, the twenty two percent was much better than just about anyone else. Half of their makes a third of their attempts. Am you need to turn a little bit to Denver here? Yeah. I actually alpha place. I want to start with that. Yeah. This was a long exhausting and thrilling day, it would be justified for people to forget this happen with seven minutes and twenty six seconds left in the second quarter of this game. Denver was up thirty nine to twenty two. It looks like they had control Yokich the vaunted yoke Yokich break had already happened. They had survived it. I think they had actually increased the lead by a few points. And Kanter had come back in it looks like it was it was going to be the main guys. And then that's really one Portland when CJ in Portland just started kicking it into gear. And then they cut it to nine at the end of the for the first half, and you, and I've talked about it before, you know, like when the team is playing really well, and they just can't close it all the way they they didn't shut the door. They got pretty dang close. But beyond the terrible shooting everything else. Like that. Like I hadn't even for. I knew they were head by. I didn't realize when I went back and start watching it. Seventeen. It was reprinted thirty nine twenty two. And then it really to me was an offense of failure for the Doug. It's am Nicole Yokich played forty two minutes in this one got three minutes of Russ perhaps was eleven out of twenty six. But he said it, you know, he doesn't expect to make every shot. But there were shots that were missed that. He usually makes it in this game. He had their only to makes from three point range, by the way. That's that's not his fault as he puts only get up nineteen three point attempts is not good. But I think they kinda stopped shooting those very core. Only took five combined. Yeah. And they played a combined seventy seven minutes. That's unbelievable now when you're playing Mason Plumlee together with yoga a bunch of time Millsap is not a great three point shooter. Tori, Craig was unable to duplicate his three point success from the San Antonio series in this one. So they don't have great three point marksman on this team. I did think that they still could have done a little more Yokich post ups a little bit less of the pig. Enroll especially once Murray after that get into the line some in the first quarter really clearly did not have it in this game. But another thing that really stands out here is only two assists for Yokich and part of that was a Portland did a pretty good job staying home on shooters. But a lot of that too was guys just missing the looks that he was sitting in. That's just an incredibly low number of assists for Nicole Yokich. And while they did yoga actually was negative. I think for just the second time in the series in that was each of the last two games as well. He was actually negative to they did outscore him or a score Denver when he was on the floor Millsap who was so awesome. Through the first five games, really struggled the last two games three of thirteen. Evan Turner who which applied taught to in a moment. Here was pretty darn good on Millsap, but Millsap couldn't get a lot of those mid Rangers that he had before even south ago, even so I thought one of the tactical mistakes in this game was Mike Malone being too cautious. When paul. Got him found trouble because Denver just didn't have that many other options and mills up it's possible that he could've picked up his fellow. But I thought I thought that being cautious. They're pulling him and being without one of your best players. One of your core defenders for such a long stretch of the of the fourth quarter was a real problem. You know, he picked up his fourth with nine fifty seven to go picked up his fifth with seven twenty four to go. And at that point Portland was ahead. So it wasn't like you're going into that. But then Millsap didn't come in again for three whole minutes. And I thought I thought they could've used it did eventually fall out. But but super win was pretty much. Yes. Yeah. He he fell down committing intentional foul in the game. Was basically, right. Let's talk about Twitter. Now, we were concerned foolishly. It turned out that Terry Stotts would see. Oh, Evan Turner was in the game when we made our run in the fourth quarter, and then overplay him, and he did that he played a lot of the end of the second. But they made a run at the end of the second to get back into it. And then ten. Fourth quarter points. I think he had like four points in the series coming in to tonight and he finished with fourteen points through seven eight of nine from the foul on got on the defensive glass as well heads offense of rebounds. And it was Neil. Oh, Shays vision town, the end a lot it didn't work that. Well, but of Turner, handling the ball and Lillard and McCollum trying to come off as screens, but Turner did just enough attacking off the dribble and hit a bid ranger or two just scrappy energetic play which in a game. Like, this would neither team can hit a three pointer takes on an added important. Yeah. He had a few big place. Not only you right. Evan turner. Only had four points in this series before game seven he had four in their win in Denver in game two he had three total points in the series. It wasn't like, oh, he's just having a cold stretch or something like that including game seven he shot thirteen percent from the field in this series. There are a lot of story lines that occurred early. In this game. They start for Portland they start hark, listen to me new both of them. Go out of the game after seven minutes and never come back in during the first half immuno himself got the ultra bogans. He played the first seven minute that never came back in the game. They went with hood and Collins, but that group continued to struggle for a while there played Collins and cancer together. A lot of the time Collins I thought was huge in their run in the third quarter in which they outscored the nuggets thirty to twenty four to get back into contact where he was on four fouls for probably like, maybe five minutes and every single possession. He was like contesting a pass going for rebound something that made him 'cause contact and could potentially have been a foul, but many of them actually were fouls, but he had four blocks. Again, he was just absolutely critical because Denver had been getting inside quite a bit early on in this game. So he was key there. And then we thought oh, many just got his fifth after he got his. North going after some no hope play in the back court. They leave him in which was good Stotts. They leave him in. And then he ends up getting his fifth about halfway through the third. He comes back into start the fourth quarter with five files. And I said at the time on the cast I'm gonna eat my slipper if he doesn't follow this game. But they actually just took him out of the game. After like three or four beds went back to turn turnaround cancer who closed it a I wanna talk about what Collins was doing because the most important part was that Nicole Yokich often drags his man away from the rim. Yes is be as you know, as operating from the elbow three point shooter high screener, although sorts of first of all that Collins is a better rim-protector than Ennis Kanter anyway. But having another player not only four rim protection by everything that was happening by non Yokich player. But also having a second big body when Yokich tried to get into lane. There was one big play where Yokich ruled past Kanner was trying to shoot this righty kind of kind of hook shot. I guess I guess we'll probably the best best or for it. And he. He ran into that Collins to and that bump made it a lot harder. He missed that shot. I think Kanter ended up getting the rebound and it got Denver off of their rhythm. And that wasn't the reason they missed a bunch of threes or anything like that. But I thought it made life harder on the nuggets on the interior. And when you combine those harder shots in a couple of turnovers and defensive rebounds, you combine those with the three point shooting and that helped flat-line Denver's offense in give Portland the window to get back in this game. The did play Rodney hood twenty minutes, but about midway through the third. He got hit a on which should have been a foul. Call because what Tori Craig did was he stuck his NIA as he was setting the screen on hood, and that caused hood to hyper-extended his knee and some question about whether he'll be available for the west finals now, but that did not look good. But hopefully, nothing severe we've seen hood go down with some injuries that we thought were really bad at turned out at us. Okay afterwards. So a hopefully, that's the case. But losing him seemed like a huge blow their play. Him at the three quite a bit. Now also made it difficult because then you they kinda choose between Collins and Turner down the end, and they are looking for a mohawk who came back in and had a big end with three offensive rebounds to the game as well. He played ten minutes from that point forth. They never went back to him. Anybody was heartless and Turner together down the end to give them just enough defense athleticism it and rebounding that CJ was able to take them home. Well before we get to that. I want to mention the other part of Harkness's ended the game and he committed to bad unnecessary fouls in the fourth quarter. When Denver was already in the bonus. And Denver was not scoring. They were there half court offense. They had this really long stretch where Denver didn't score. They didn't score a shot from the field from Nicoli. Oh catch making. He made. I think he made a lamp with seven forty five left, and they made some free throws during this, including the ones that are just talked about. And I think the next made. Shot that they had was Gary Harris with two eleven remaining they got free throws as I said. But I think those were the that stretch was where they didn't have single made field goal and Harkness gave them a couple. I think he had one on Millsap, and then you had one on under Murray that gave gave Denver a little bit more life. When there was there was a point in the talked about how the roof seven Denver was up seventeen Portland was a ninety two to eighty five seven points with 'bout three minutes to go. And I thought it looked like, you know, they're about to seal it away. And then it got close again couple of the notes on the media game here before we get to the end through a few plays in the second half early in the second half where it looked like Portland's comeback would be thwarted one. Was that hood play where he goes down. They play on and Denver ends up. Getting an end one end collinses fifth foul. It was a three point game right before that exchange Portland decided to start Collins an hood in the second half. You wonder why they didn't just do that to begin with? If they. Those the the best lineup. There is another play where Portland had cut it to to Harris got an aunt one on Leonard. And then Plumlee just went right around cancer on the missed free throw Ed Murray got dunk with cantor, again, not helping at all on that play. So you thought that Denver heads of chances to stamps, the bleeding, but Portland just kept coming. You thought that maybe Denver could close it a little stronger than Portland because CJ McCollum played the whole second half. And so did Lillard while they're guys all got some rust in Millsap, thirty two minutes, Craig thirty three even Yokich was only forty two Harris and Murray were both under forty but that didn't turn out to be the case. And that was just basically CJ making shots on the end. And he is just have so much respect for how well conditioned. He is. I mean, he looked like he never had a single issue in that four overtime game. Never had a single issue tonight despite playing the whole second half and he played just a ton of minutes in this series. At an always seemed to have the ability to make shots. And even though he was so exhausted. You could tell it wasn't even getting off the ground on these jumpers. And yet he still just draining them. It was a van tessick anything else. You want to say on the meat of the game before we talk about some of the key possessions at the end. No, I think we can go to the key possession. So probably the absolute biggest play the game to me Portland had maintained about a four point lead throughout most of the fourth quarter three twenty laugh Turner misses an awful shot at the free throw line over Millsap, really well-contested Yokich gets the rebound outlet endangered sneaks in and steals. The outlet goes right at Yokich with the euro step and realizes he doesn't have the shot. So he does a Steph curry throws it out to Turner. And then just dead sprints to the corner. Yokich just not having just turned it over just not they're mentally very few senators are gonna make that play of argument a stick with Daimler all the way out to the corner now on this play. But Lillard just knew he was going to be able to get a wide open three there. It was a mental error from Yokich, despite the fact that you know, it's not a play that centers are commonly gonna make. So that Portland up seven. It looked like it was. Much over at that point up seven with three minutes left. You know, you've got about six or seven possessions left and then Denver precedes the score eight points on the next four possessions. Three of them were off Portland mistakes. They had a McCollum mists where three blazers go for the offensive rebound. And they get a fast break layup for Gary Harris that play was like right out of the nineteen eighty s they had to really bad fouls. One. After like five seconds of the shot clock by heart goes on the floor. The that you mentioned on Murray, and then Lillard reached in on a loose ball and Bob Murray. So and they're in the boats. They got two free throws out of that Yoka cheetah a floater in pick and roll and got it to one with a minute thirty left. So another thing that stuck out to me. And I would you're not going for the three necessarily this early on. But three times in the last two minutes of the game. Denver had the ball down three. And they never once attempted to shot that could have tied the game. You're definitely taken a risk there. Especially in the end, especially when you go for the quick to which will get to. But yeah, they're shooting to a nine. Eighteen from three you gotta assume though that these guys who are good shooters are are not any less likely to make those shots because you've had a bad shooting game going into tonight, if you're open, and you know, they didn't really run anything to get three point looks. And that is a weakness of this Denver Austria, they don't really have anyone who's able to just rise up for a three off the dribble or even coming off a screen like jail green style. Either. You know Murray has a pretty low release point. He doesn't get a ton of separation for three pointers. Am Harris can come off screens every now and again or or shoot them in the DA Joe game, but Portland did a really good job on him. And you know, those are really the only two guys Yokich is too slow release on his pick and pop to be a huge threat there. So, you know, the the nineteen three point at times that's a little bit of a symptom of what this roster is a end. Also, having a four like Millsaps out really looking to take three pointer a lot Craig is out there. He's not a great shooter. So yes, it's tough for this team to come back at the end with when three pointers are pretty tough to be found here. One. Of the stranger decisions towards the end of this game gets into those possessions were Denver didn't get a three CJ makes a free throw line jumper. I believe was over Tory Craig to make it a three point game ninety eight ninety five with eleven point four seconds left. And and quickly. I mean, the two shots that he on the last two minutes. We're both absolutely ridiculous. What was when he split the pick and roll the other one they just went with a straight one four flat 'em Denver on that possession after they had gotten another two with Murray to get within one. And there was a six second differential at that point. They go just a one four flat. So basically you've got two guys in the corner in two guys standing on either side of the lane. So it's a little tough to bring a double there. But you also don't have a ton of spacing like it could be possible. And they did not do that. Maybe they could if they had a lineup in there with Yokich out of the game that maybe could've switch everything they had Millsap at center for one of the first times in the series. But they did not run a double at McCollum. He went pretty early too. By the way, he could have run the time down another. Five seconds, or so, and that could have ended up hurting them if in fact, he had missed, but you know, he made it is absolutely fantastic. But then yeah, the everything that happened was very odd there after that Denver taking their last time out to advance the ball with eleven point four seconds remaining. Denver on three Denver is the ball down three. And it would've made sense for Portland to there are a couple of different defensive schemes that you can go into could try switch everything try no threes. Both of those things that's a good way to prevent him from getting a potential game-tying three. And if in basically any of the defensive theories Seth curry would not be on the floor curry as I thought he had a rough game defensively overall yet. It has a mistake ended up you know, puzzle plus minus, but I don't think that that is indicative of his play in this game. And he ends up on nickel Yokich around the free throw line. So Denver inbounds the ball. Yokich curry fouls him in the air. And so you have all these different things. So one is Curry's on the floor shouldn't be on the floor. Inbounding the ball well inside the two point line. And then so so then it not a chance to tie. And then I mean for the second time in this series and he had a spectacular series overall, Nicole Yokich, Mr. Vic free throw those killer. I mean, he had he played so well, and it can happen. I don't think he choked. I don't think anything like that. You just missed a free throw and Denver missile offered through the Jenin Jeter in the second half. But they missed the eleven free throws in this game. They shot a lot more free throws than Portland did an a bunch of more late. But through a lot of the game. They only shot. Seventy two percent Portland was eighty three percent that if the another thing you can look at as a your game right there. And yeah. Yoga just gonna look back on those. And he he put the laws on him. And obviously he was their best player and one of the few guys to shoot it even passably well in this game. So it's tough to put the blame on him. But that's certainly something that he's going to be thinking about both of those just incredibly close games. Now. He makes that first free throw. They still have no timeouts left. So that they would have been trying to play the foul game in Portland has really good free throw shooters. I'm thinking I thought that perhaps maybe that's why they put curry news because if they went for the quick to than they could get it in into curry, and he could be a free throw shooter. But then having to take him out. So they could try to rebound the free throw. I thought that actually with no timeouts left Yokich probably should have missed the second free throw intentionally and you know, a few say, hey, were if we're trying athlete as hard as we can he's going to miss it to a specific spot. May we've got twenty five thirty percent chance again, the offensive rebound. And you've probably got a worse chance than that of every been getting a chance to tyrod mean, you think about get that rebound. You've got a twenty five percent chance of getting that rebound. So you have a twenty five percent chance of getting shot to tie it. Whereas just hitting one of the free throws. And then you have to hope for a turnover or you have to hope to that. One of these great free throw shooters is gonna miss through deserves it really time to trap and try and get a turnover. Really? I think intentionally missing it would be a little bit better. Because at least then it's like at least it's in your hands at that. At least you could get a rebound. It's it's within your power, and they went for the quick to at and people always say, what coaches will tell you. If you say, well, why you wouldn't go for the three end with no time out have to go for the three two three. The three also to avoid confusion. Well coaches will say as well if you miss the three than the game is over and that's too big of arrests that just the game is over. Well, number one. You're trying to win the game. Not just stay in the game. And number two. Isn't it a much bigger risk that you have it within your hands right now to take three pointer, and it could be on your team? Whether the game gets tighter, not if you go for the quick to now, you're depending on the other team to screw up or miss them free throws. And isn't it a huge risk that you just never get a chance to tie the game like isn't data scarier proposition than quote unquote, the game being over it. So yet just inbounding it right to Yokich. I guess they're trying to get a very quick to. But especially like on a post up to Yokich. They're like that's not even against a smaller player. That's not like an automatic shot. You know what? I mean, really the math on it is like you have to have like a seventy or eighty percent chance of making that to pointer to have even begin to work out in your favor, and especially with no timeouts, and especially when you consider that. If you come back later, and you need a three you're doing no timeouts, and there they can foul now to prevent you again. From ever getting a chance to tie it. So to me that's just the biggest risk in that situation. Is you never actually get a shot in the air that can tied the game. And that's what ended up happening the nuggets in this one. And the way it happened was a little bit chaotic so the blazers had a timeout left. So they called a timeout. And then something that I don't particularly like on does like on those inbounds where you're inbounding with the intention of a good free Thursday. You're getting it. I like to have at least somebody on the four who's a capable screener. And so you can try to use that to create separation all the Portland guys scatter in different directions. None of them is particularly open. But the ball ends up getting to Evan Turner Turner, drives towards the basket. It looked like it was actually a shooting foul not that it made any difference because Portland was in the bonus. And so you're you're up to in that situation. Make to it's over Evan Turner ISIS the series yet too. Big free throws from Turner. And the jokes were the earned every dollar of that eighteen million in this game. Well, he earned ownership of our made ownership a bunch of extra playoff. Revenue. So yeah, that's a that's a great point there. Well, I've waited I've waited I don't know how long this'll be one at areas, but like an hour and ten minutes, I think it might be time for my victory lap. Picking a row picking overrode team to win a game seven was was pretty exciting. And there is there is the downside that I think this creates a less interesting Western Conference finals, but being rate is pretty nice all relish that enjoy it. And it does give me based on the weird scoring system that I'm testing out for these playoffs. I have I currently have a a small lead of four point lead because of that. But I mean that was one hell of a game. And I mean today well today was one of the more fun days of basketball, especially for only having two games that I can remember just because of the insanely high stakes both games being so closely and some really definitive plays. I mean, we didn't talk enough about CJ chase down block. He gets in its mammary driving down the court. 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They're playing six guys and all of them played forty eight minutes, and yet somehow they come back on the king to only their stars in the first half and so- Portland foils their own attempt to tank against the nuggets tanking and ends up on this side of the bracket, which is where I would have wanted to be all on. But they apparently didn't want to be that puts Houston on the other side of the bracket. Portland winds Denver wins. They play each other for real and Portland. Now beats Denver Zach Lowe is saying the best guys we're finally gonna come for Denver at some point. Maybe that was the two for nine and three point two for nineteen three point shooting in this game, but Portland arguably deserved just as much for resting their guys on the last day of the season and Portland comes out with the wind, but this whole series. It's all happens because these teams both tried one failed in Benicia letting the sand on done a bunch of other crazy shit had to happen to with like, you know, Casey hitting that buzzer beater against Houston and Denver coming back against Minnesota where they're down by like eight points with three minutes left in that game. And I think this is a really disappointing performance from Denver. I thought that the nuggets were a little bit overrated all season. But once I saw the bracket I thought they're going gonna make it to the west violating. They have more talent than Portland they looked like the much better team. And they really frankly, I think I wouldn't say choked. But they performed well below the low they're capable of in game two and game seven they made more mistakes in that quadruple overtime game than Portland. Did Denver was capable of winning the series. I think they had more talent. And they should have won the series that they did not. And you know, there's a lot of noise out at Denver all we made. This a great team is just the start for us. We'll see, you know. I don't think it's I mean, they had a pretty easy match in the second round with no use of Norwich, and they should have won. And this Portland team. We'll see how they play the next on. Maybe I'll be wrong and they're going to be exhausted too. But this Portland team is a team that probably loses in the first rod half the time in a normal Western Conference and so- Yokich played really well the playoffs. Okay. They played against to below average defenses. They had some really ugly offensive performances with not enough three pointers. None of shooting in these playoffs 'em. They weren't really able to find an answer for Portland's guards defensively because they have some structural limitations. In terms of what Yokich could do I thought Yokich to me actually had a better defensive series than I was expecting. But when it came down to it, they still couldn't guard C J and pick and roll in this game. So while I think Denver over performed preseason expectations based on what they did during this season. I thought they underperformed a little bit in the playoffs and to say, all right. This is a team that's going to be in the second round automatically for years to go here. I'm not quite buying that they got more moves that they. I need to make these guys gotta get a lot better Murray. Yo and Yokich in particular. They gotta find a way to be a little bit less Yokich Centric on offense. I think so I'll be very curious to see what happens to them this off season. Whether Millsaps is going to be back, and whether they can get someone else on the wing, whether Michael porter can contribute, maybe someone like hurting Gomez can contribute more. But they do need a little bit more. I think to really get into being serious contender in the west. And I think while Denver deserves credit for getting to the second round the context of who they played in these playoffs and ended up losing to. I think it is important when you look at our your your real goal here is to actually get out of the Western Conference. And are you going to be able to beat those best teams? I don't know that this is display off despite the fact that they got to a game seven the second round is a positive data point in their favor necessarily. I wanna push I wanna play back on a couple of parts of that. And then agree with it. So the one thing I was really surprised you didn't emphasize, and I would I was more disappointed in their first round than their second round. That's in Tokyo team was was uninspiring to me. I thought that Denver should have dispatched them pretty cleanly. You know, like maybe it ends up going six just because San Antonio is hitting shots and Denver's Michigan for a game. But there were some warning signs that I had that were similar to when I saw Toronto struggle with Washington last year and just want. Oh crap. Like that that they didn't have all of it. And both of those teams I think we're better than their first round series. But you still have that. And for Denver my issue with with what you said is not necessarily that it is inaccurate. I think that it is taking a framing that is a little bit unfair to the nuggets. If the goal for them is to win the Western Conference finals or win a championship. I don't think they're constructed well enough to do that. And that isn't because Tim Connolly has done a bad job is just because the threshold for winning a championship for being at the level to win a conference to have a serious like, for example, like Portland made the Western Conference finals this year. They're not entitled content. They're not they're not going to win the championship. Even if they made it. They would get waxed. By both of the other teams that are there and great for them that they made it this far. And I agree with you that they would have lost in the first round and a lot of different permutations of this. I don't think that's too big a deal for Denver because winning fifty games, which is what they were. They outperform their point too fragile. That's a great accomplishment. That's a really good team. They're young. They'll get better. I do worry. I think like you do a little bit that how the aging curve affects them is more problematic than something. Because there are a lot of stats about other like the fourth youngest team in the league and all that, but one of their key players as Paul Millsap who is way older than that. And they don't have replied still like their most athletic player. Right. And they don't ever replacement for him. Sure. If Michael porter, jR, becomes becomes awesome. As an offense doubt, very different type of player and Denver doesn't have a they don't have three. They happen to face to teams in the playoffs were their lack of a two way small forward was not that big, Tori. Craig hit hit a series three's that five for seven against the Spurs, most notably. But they don't have. Have that guy will Barton is not that guy Torry Craig maybe if he improves there, but remember we're not in the rare. He wasn't in the rarefied air here. This was against two teams that do not really threaten in the way that Golden State would or Toronto Milwaukee. And they're always going to be teams like that. They might not always be run by forwards. But there will always be teams that have that level of overall town, and I see Denver just as a tier below that. And I don't think there's any shame any anything. And I try not to get worked up by those who over hype something because that's over hyped. And so for me if Denver wins forty eight to fifty three games and they're not a serious title contender. But they're in the mix, depending on seating. They make the second round first second or third round. There's that's a good team. That's a really really good team. And if Yokich and Murray take big steps forward, if Gary Harris can can do something maybe they can push beyond that. But it's so hard to get beyond that point without you know, like basically to you know, if you don't have to. Undoubtably all-stars or like to future hall of famers getting into the title conversation is functionally impossible will I guess what? I would say is this. I think there are some people who feel better about Denver's future after this playoffs, and I feel worse about because they didn't play anyone and they lost to Portland team. And they couldn't score in a bunch of games against this Portland team. That is not a good defense. And maybe that's playoff inexperience or maybe their players aren't that. Good. I mean, they had guys had bones. But again, you know, they're going against below average defenses. And they didn't prove anything to meet in these playoffs. They didn't play a real team where they could approved anything. And that's kinda makes us a little bit difficult in the they should be happy about their overall season. But I do think they should be disappointed in their playoffs. Let's talk now about the blazers in warriors series in which one team starts at his cancer at center and the other team has Steph curry and Klay Thompson coming off of screens set by golden. State center that is one problem among many for Portland one that I'm going to focus on a lot Portland. Just John generate turnovers now the warriors can generate turnovers themselves because the throat off they can do that. But I think Portland's lack of forcing turnovers is going to be a big problem for them in this series. And a lot of the limitations that okay, see and Denver were not able to exploited or going to be on full display against the warriors. And they're not going to be able to pull off. I mean, hopefully, Rodney hood is healthy enough to play. But they're not going to be able to pull off. You know, these extended minutes for Evan Turner. Or, you know, spot minutes for Meyers Leonard all those type of things because the warriors even with their depth shoes. They just play so many different players that punish inferior talent. And they're coming off of a Houston series where not only did iron sharpens iron, but they had to deal with such complicated defensive they dealt with defense that is well suited to attack with the warriors. Do. Well, with personnel that can execute that system about as well as could be reasonably expect N Houston Durham worries talked about how he's obsessed with the words, they play the warriors incredibly well, incredibly hard and Portland is not that type of team and we've seen the warriors beat the blazers in a playoff series undermanned. And I think we're about sit again now, I could see the warriors having a mental letdown. And if they got against Denver, I think Denver especially with the unique threat that Yokich prevents that they've had some trouble stopping him at times with no cousins. And no Katie at the start of the series and the warriors very pleased with themselves rightfully so for being used in the manner that they did you could see there being let done I think the fact that they really respect Damon C J that they've played these guys in the playoffs before and he had they've beaten them. But they also know that it's hard to dream on one point said. Yeah, this didn't feel like a five game series to me when when they beat them back. I think at twenty sixteen but they Bech up really really well against the. Blazers defense the blazers defense is built on a conservative drop pick and roll coverage that you just cannot play that against the Golden State Warriors. And they don't do a lot of switching either. So now Klay Thompson he can get open whenever he wants to coming off a screen CJ McCollum is going to be the one probably who guards him. I guess they would go with heartless on curry, you know, they need to hide Dame Willard in this situation. And they'll be able to do that theoretically will see if Andre Goodall continues to start. He probably will. But he could Lillard can hide on him. But he has a great screener as well, Portland. Just simply has not been able to shrink the floor force the warriors intimate Rangers. Takeaway the basket the way they like do. They've never had great defensive personnel. They do the best they can with this group. But now, especially with your they've had Plumlee they've had Nurkic in past years even know von lay all those guys are much better defensively than a one arm and his canter. And while Kanter has done played the best defense of his career by far we've seen what? Happens when he gets out in space against a warriors team. We've seen the warriors do well against Portland when they didn't have Steph curry in two thousand sixteen we've also seen them take care of Portland in two gains without Kevin Durant in twenty seventeen the warriors. I think are not as good as they were at those times with their support guys. But Draymond green still is going to cause a lot of problems. If you try to put Evan Turner in the game, you try to put that Collins in the game now dream on green is just gonna guard those guys and he's gonna completely muck everything up with your help defense. One thing I'll be looking at very closely though, presumably curse gonna go to starting Andrew bogut to match up against cancer. And it'll be conventional pick and roll defence for the warriors. And it'll be a drop coverage and Dame Lillard and CJ. We'll have a chance to get going. I think early in game. Now when the warriors go with green at center or they go with looney and they switch then we'll see whether Dame and CJ will be able to do enough. But and. I think portly can score. Okay. At times. Like those guys we'll have a chance to get hot in this series. And that's how you could maybe Portland winning a game or two. But I just don't see how Portland slows down this warriors offense at all. We've seen them try at times to go with the amino at center and try and switch everything and they just that's just not something that they do regularly. The warriors of completely carved that up in the past doesn't have the personnel either. They they don't have enough wings Oce has filled gaps impressively at other spots, you know, getting Seth curry as gar in the guard rotation they replaced, Pat, Pat, Pat contin replaced him all all those other spots. But they haven't done that at forward and the warriors are loaded forward. They have a lot of intelligent players. And so two other things that I'm going to be watching injury returns. How long does Kevin Durant sit in this series? Is he, you know, do are the warriors more cautious because they're facing a team that that they can that they can handle I would recommend being as cautious as they can be, you know, in Gotcha. It's maybe Portland sneaks game at oracle. It's entirely possible. And then that pushes it a little bit Stein Steiner's reported there is also possibility DeMarcus cousins returns during the conference finals that'll be notable. And then the second one for years now there has been this idea, which I think is fair of the Draymond at center lineups the death line being the most prominent among those being kind of like a sign of respect. And that you how often how often they go to it is their Golden State had to work there guys incredibly hard in the rocket series. Hi, Mindy totals high leverage all that. I wonder how much Kerr wants to pull back on those rains, and that might create an avenue for Portland as well. Because while there guys are tired if they're playing their best players more frequently. It's an event that is. But they also those guys are gonna get run ragged on the defense of one of the things about the warriors that we've seen it's and some of the Houston is another one of these Cleveland when they are at their best with LeBron and all those shooters is you get to the point against these teams. The best ones we saw it too. In the Toronto Phillies. Series where you put certain guys out there, and they just can't compete. They can't be out there. You're gonna get killed if that guys out there. And now we get into the point where Portland has guys with significant limitations immu shot at so poorly that he was totally out of the rotation. They have to get more from him. He's going to they need him defensively in this series heartless another guy who's under thirty percent from three this year Turner doesn't even pretend to shoot three's anymore. The warriors have always just never respected him at all. And have always killed him at his plus. My skin's the words that has been really ruffled hood looks like he's probably not gonna play, and you know, his defense would be a big liability anyway cancer did not really get exposed to badly. Because these teams don't run a great spread pick and roll that they winning. It's now they're going to have to do at that. And so yeah, having Katie out that the issue especially of Kerr wants to pull back on the minutes with Igwe Dala in particular, and you could see him being back at like thirty minutes a game. Now, we see more McKinney. But those guys you can play those guys who aren't that great against Portland. They have. Cases that you can hide they're not moving the ball enough that you're involving all of the guys in the defensive action. You can get away with a guy like a McKinney or a Gerard co could get some minutes and just try to space the floor bogut can play some defensively though. I think he's actually the guy who's going to be most negatively affected of his aegis can't get out on the floor at all the way, we saw even Yokich too. So they may end up having to just go a starting looney, and maybe playing Jordan bell more and going to more of a speed system defensively to take the ball out of those guys hands. But I do think in the warriors can do is gonna make the other guys beat them in a way that Denver, and even okay see did not have the capability to do. They are too smart. And they've got too many guys who are too quick that they can force the ball into the hands of the guys that they want shooting jump shots. So I mean, even with Katie out. I think the talent gap has narrowed to be sure between these teams, but I think the matchup is so in favor of. Of Golden State, even with Katya out. I think ultimately going to go with if it helps I can I knew my pickle anything whose turn is it to go. I I have no idea. Now, I'll go first I'm gonna go warriors and five I have the same thing. Boy, I I at the lead. Of course, you're just gonna pick your duck would I do. Yeah. But I think what's does. That's actually what we should have to do the I could game at the other way of just see what you did. And we'll end if you remember the time to get something eat me in the 2017 playoffs. It was because of that you were behind and so you pick Cleveland to win in the finals because that was starting two thousand sixteen plants because that was the only way you could win. And so you did it, and then they will do anything. But I did not believe in the in my heart of hearts likley was going with riots butting up front about that. Yeah. I think this is just a brutal matchup for Portland and it. So here's the question. I wanna ask you, we do the sometimes when we have when we often only pay same thing if you had to guess more likely that this is a four-game series or six games. Here's sixty Syrian. I could see maybe just the fact that Katy is out in the lockup. Maybe in the warriors in ways that we don't anticipate by also think fatigue level for Portland is going to catch up to them after another marathon game. Game. The warriors have had a lot of time off to recover. So it's it's hard for me as the Portland getting them in game one. And you know, I mean, they have to win one of the first two otherwise I obviously the series is over. We'll see when Katie gets back. He's supposed to be reevaluated. What before game to date? They had said a week. I would say I would say between games went into would be my guess reservation with gay game two is on Thursday. Yeah. So and that's a week after so you'll be rebellious Thursday. You would imagine that he's not gonna play in game two if it's one one or two Portland somehow, you know, maybe he comes back. But Cavs are not the thing. You wanna rush back from? I could see maybe the warriors because we're every other day in this series the entire way through actually because this this previous series went so long. So you could see them just holding K D out until they really get processed in the series. No reason to bring him back until then. So maybe maybe it ends up being to to at some point than Katie comes back and the worst. Does it out from there? I mean, if if Katie were healthy, I would have picked a sweep in this probably let's talk a little Lakers. They've hired a coach Frank Vogel late of the Orlando Magic and Indiana Pacers new head coach of the Lakers. They able to impose their contract structure on him with a three year deal five million per year. That's pretty good. So that's not all day imposed on Frank Bronco. Jason Kidd will be the lead assistance as David regular called him kiddle finger, and I'm going to use that a lot. I mean, this is this is just treacherous. I mean, the water is just jumped up not only do you have a Windhorst in his piece made the made a really apt comparison between David Blatt who a coach that was well respected tactically around around the league, even though black head coach in the NBA the way the Frank Vogel has having a top assistant put on him who had a connection, you know, who connect with LeBron as a player, and so you you stat dynamic, but then you ramp it up with a player that we know LeBron has great affinity for a personal connection due to their team USA time and great respect for kids game that is ominous. And it is not a circumstance where the coach in waiting is the psych underrated tactical genius or going to unlock all the stuff. The coach the. The assistant coach with the with the whispers was the person that we picked we were recording at the time. The coach ranked podcast. We went one to thirty. We were recording thirty as he got fired by the Milwaukee Bucks. And you know, it's not to say that he can't be a good assistant. Although it seems like shirt the the reports of him mentoring. Lonzo ball consisted of one phone call when it was dug into a little bit more. But certainly kid played somewhat similarly to Lonzo maybe he can help him, and obviously health is huge in who they get in free agency. I mean, I think Vogel is uninformed higher. But I don't think he's like a terrible coach me he did have some foibles in that series that they lost in twenty sixteen against Toronto. Where after which he ended up getting fired. But and we'll see what kind of a relationship. He and LeBron has been LeBron presumably has some respect for him with the playoff battles against the Pacers. But this is really about vol. Hey, you're gonna impose your lead assistant, and you're gonna. Pose a three year contract that expires when lebrons. Does this is about the best coaching Vogel eight he's not like his name was coming up for other openings? So he took it. Also interesting is Phil Jackson still apparently a confidante of genius gorse the Rambus czar as well. And that Vogel is very highly recommended by Phil Jackson Ramona reported that so Phil didn't have the greatest executive tenure in New York, but he is still influencing things from his executive grave apparently. And that's not to me, a great reason to hire coach, the one reason I can think of that I've heard all of this like why that could explain this. It's not just like a terrible indictment of the Lakers organization is that maybe kirie just didn't wanna play for Tyler again and made that clear, and if they hope to lure Kyrie back to play with LeBron that tiring Tyler wasn't the way to that. There certainly were reports that carries relationship with Lou was pretty rocky towards the end of that. Seventeen run. So. Oh, crazy will Boston go if Kyrie leaves and goes to the Lakers. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people who kind of don't want kyri back apparently in Boston. But but. That would be just crushing. And so one thing that I found interesting because we're we're recording after there's been some talk of with everything Vogel because it happened. After the last time we recorded. I'm a little bit uncomfortable with how much the chatter has yada yada yada over his years in Orlando. And yes, it is true. That those were some misfit toys, and a you know, it was it would have been hard to get a lot out of that roster. I think that's all fair and the young guys weren't ready yet and the veterans weren't good. And I think they were significantly better coach this year under Steve Clifford than they were under Frank Vogel. And you know, some of you don't wanna give Clifford all the credit for having a career year Augustine having a big bounce back everything else, but John Isaac Isaac being healthy. But I mean when I watched the magic the last couple years offensively in particular. They were just uninspiring. And remember like we talked about pal and Isaac again, huge factor in this. How it seemed like they had more defensive talent. They were they were. The twenty second and twentieth in defense the two years. Frank Fogel was there and they had a fair youth movement this year as well. You know, they're trying to play Moba for a little bit that didn't work. He got hurt that probably helped their defensive rating. Incidentally. But that yes, I think Vogel I understand his reputation as an Xs and os coach. But that Orlando job was not inspired. No, it wasn't in KP wrote a nice piece about how Vogel's defensive succeeded. Funneling drivers into ROY Hibbert forcing a lot amid Rangers in Indiana and the Lakers as of now don't project to have that type of a rim protector on the roster. And I think really the reason in addition to just the fact that Phil Jackson and Kurt Rambis like the guy is just that. He can kinda be at adult in the room. He's been a coach before he's been to the conference finals. He at least is just, you know, he's not gonna be a total disaster. In theory. You know, the way someone who had never coached before might be in theory. He has enough gravitas that LeBron is gonna completely. Ignore him due to his record in Indiana. But yeah, I mean, not a lot going for them. And certainly I think that Vogel was someone who should have gotten a another head coaching job. One other piece of news, which is actually pretty exciting here. This is a quote from Adam silver in New York as some kind of get together where he's hobnobbing with a bunch of bigwigs and doing some sort of a Q and A and the guys like all these guys don't play games I worn out and his response was the his quotas. If legitimate resting players resulted in them being healthier in the playoffs healthier longer able to continue their career longer. I think we'd be in favor of the last issue, though, is that as the league we may need to revisit the number of games in the season. Because maybe in the modern MBA we've had eighty two game season for roughly fifty years, and maybe it's too many games on the players bodies. First time we've heard that from the Commissioner, so perhaps there is a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel on this and Kevin arnovitz that you can. Find it on YouTube did a really nice presentation at the Sloan conference discussing this issue. Obviously there's been a lot of work on it. And we have tried to add to that in saying that the season should be shortened. I wouldn't expect that it's going to be the type of thing where we get to the fifty eight games that I would like to see necessarily but even seven games off of the season. I think it could really help improve the quality of the regular season eighty. I'll talk about four go here. I do not know the order of their release. But three teams got eliminated over the last few days, and their off-season previews will be coming out at the students. That'd be the rockets the Sixers and the nuggets they're already so it's just about publication. Thanks again to the editors at the athletic for going through those. They're all they're all massive. There are like seventeen eighteen hundred words, and yeah, I'll have more I'm working on a piece about some about trading partial, guaranteed contracts because that's an interesting issue. That's come up a couple of times. And so you can look for that I'm guessing now come out on Wednesday. The right any you said this is. Always a sad day the NBC's on our last day with multiple games. But it sure was worth it. Thanks for joining us. And we'll be back. We're gonna take tomorrow off because there are no games. And we got a head start on this week's episode on Friday night. So we'll be back on Tuesday night getting some off-season previews undiscussed game. One of warriors boys in the lottery who the lottery, I did forget one piece of news bedrick Patterson as opted in to his player option for five hundred million dollars daily signed in the summer of two thousand seventeen and yeah, that's actually been kind of a disappointing contract. We actually thought that was a good one. I'm kind of said that I had to had to discuss it in when whenever a whenever a deal is signed. And it seems like it's way below value. Something we've learned with this is there's probably reasons sometimes it's off to court stuff that's ever blown. But sometimes it's an injury that that we didn't know the full severity because teams don't share that. It seems like that's what happened here. Yeah. You'll recall he had to have surgery before he ever played a game for the thunder. All right. We're done here. We will catch y'all. Tuesday night, though.

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Hour 1: Jimmy Buckets

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Hour 1: Jimmy Buckets

"The one on I take fan. Make sure you check weekdays ten AM eastern to noon on ESPN head on today show is Jimmy Butler. The key for the seventy Sixers to win the series with the raptors plus are the rockets complaining too much about the officials in one Cleveland Browns says the win the Super Bowl. But should he have set it? Let's get it started. This was James Butler. That was the adult in the gym. And he I get as excited as as the volume of threes that he sought as much as anything, and he was just a tremendous just a tremendous sort of rock. He he he he he willed us to a lot of different situations coach came in here. And he said this wasn't Jimmy Butler tonight was James Butler because how mature name is James literally. No, call him, James. What's going on everybody? Welcome to. I take max Kellerman wasn't Jim Butler that was Jimmy Butler. But that's actually legit his name. You know, trying to do that. Who you know who you're saving? Some respect on his name, Steven as the San Francisco warriors rockets, right? Yeah. Molly. I just think it's important. Yeah. I'm here for the game game tonight, and I'll be covering the rest of the series. But that's not the important point the important point to point out this more than Molly is that all though, it is unquestionably and undoubtedly true that you are obviously the most attractive person on this show. I am looking pretty good today. Max, I just I just much. I just wanted to say that up con- California style right now just saying. Mac sent to me when we got out here. You couldn't keep a straight face is like you basically have on pajamas. We're almost to work you are evening where to work. I was you. You you have been going to pajamas style. Lately. What are those something decided to cross a track suit with pajamas? Got you wanted to work out like you get an elliptical in the bed free. She meanwhile, matrix max matrix, max, say monotone, look, but you stepping out with the shirts a little bit more matted impressed with that very impressive though. Very impressed on the wild side. All right. Let's get into a guys the raptors running through the six with their woes last night. Thanks to Jimmy Butler. The Sixers evening up the series with the raptors behind eight thirty point eleven rebound and five assist performance by Jimmy not James Stephen should Butler be the Sixers number one option. I think so. And it's not because he's the start at six as we all know that Joe L. Indeed, we all know what we expect from Ben Simmons as well. But Jimmy Butler is a shot maker. You know when he's at his best. And when you consider the fact that Joel Embiid has been hampered max this health that's been compromised. Clearly, even though last night that wasn't the case he had some. Stomach issues, the gastro situation going on the fact that the matter is that even prior to that he's been suspect this series because that left knee. And so when we look at it from that perspective, and you look at what Tobias Harris in concert with Jimmy Butler has to deal with meeting the load. That is limited and what he throws in their direction. I think it's important to have somebody on the perimeter that answers to some degree. What collide Leonard is going to give you he thirty five last night. He was balling. He got hot. He was doing his thing. Overcoming a twenty point deficit. I'm talking about Toronto here. You know what Jimmy Butler taken advantage of power console? At least from a psychological perspective is not enough in my estimation. You have to have somebody on the perimeter going up against while to some degree. That says excuse me, you going to have to answer for something to it's not just about us answering the you you're going to have to deal with us. So. Somebody on that perimeter. Meaning it's Jimmy Butler Tobias Harris is going to have to eight those kind of problems and Jimmy Butler showed me last night. He's going to be that guy Tobias Harris if you remember Brooklyn struggled against one or two game three exploded a Brooklyn dropped twenty nine. And we know he's capable of doing that. But Jimmy Butler being that rough ride at he is max willing to accept any challenge. Willing to be somebody that's trying to get in your face, his refusal to back down to anybody not to say that that's not to buy Harris. But it's usually just a score whereas with Jimmy Butler on both ends of the floor where he's trying to be that rough rider. I think that's the, you know, psychological facelift that the Philadelphia seventy Sixers need for this series. That's why Jimmy Buffett Tobias Harris has shooter Jimmy that score score. And and here's the problem if Jimmy Butler is your primary scoring option you will not win a championship. You will surely lose on the way some only talking to series. Bead can be your primary scorer. And maybe you could win a championship. However, envied has health issues and this starts pre draft several years ago. That's why he fell to third. It's not just the knee. It's the back that keeps them out of game shape in the playoffs. It's not like dad Embiid. He's doing something wrong. It's not like that. It's just he's a huge guy. And the rigors of the NBA season are such that if you are a giant, which he is it can have a toll on your body. So go with max at what's that? So where you go. Well, I'm telling you Embiid you have to run your offense threw him when he's on the floor. You must however he will not be in the kind of game shape in high leverage moments to take over Jimmy Butler can be that guy Harris can get more touches to biased as a better shooter from outside, especially and Embiid. You gotta run the offense through Simmons with the ball. The NBA. Does your primary kind of ofensive portal but Jimmy Butler in high leverage situation. Stephen would has come to be known in the NBA as the closer. He has to be that guy if he's the closer. They can I still don't think they'll advance in this series, but that gives them their best option, but that's different than saying. That guy is your primary scoring option. Well, listen, I will tell you this again, I never said Jimmy Butler was the shooter. I understand that Tobias Caras more of a shooter than he is. But I also brought up the most poignant point in my opinion, which is that you have to have a psychological answer to Kawai Linnet. If Kawhi Leonard is door what he does. But then somebody he doesn't have to deal with it all is doing damage against a Mark assaults or the surge of Bacchus of the world. You got a different problem. But when it's somebody that he might directly have to contend with you have to answer. You don't want it to be a situation where could while under going out there dominate an average over dirty over thirty doing what he wants when he wants to get who never he pleases. You have no answers he had five or six shots to get Jimmy Butler. If it gained one he had all five of his shots. When Tobias Harris was guarding him in game one. He added more difficult time against Ben Simmons. But was still shooting better than forty percent. The point that I'm making is that if you are Jimmy Butler if. If you are a member of the Sixers, and you have somebody that says is skews me I'm going to negate what koala throws and direction because I'm going to answer that Cole then that resonates with the rest of the team. And I think that's why they won last night. I think in I guess the more direct way to put it maxes. I believe Joel Embiid had dropped thirty last night. The Sixers lose the game. It's the fact that it was Jimmy Butler that did it or if Tobias Harris that did it. I think that would have resonated more profoundly and led to the same result that we saw in game two for this particular not talking about championships for this series. Philadelphia versus Toronto this Eastern Conference semifinal series. I think your perimeter play from Jimmy Butler auto bias ariza's more pivotal than Joel Embiid. What you're talking about is Butler has the heart to go up against a why because these play offs, and I'm going to be talking about this all day. Stephen a. I mentioned LeBron laid down the Bataan. He's not in the playoffs. The question is who wants to pick it up and all these teams have players and Butler is not quite in this conversation. But he he used himself that way who wants to pick it up who has the heart to try to carry the team, you know, these are real even matchups in the Eastern Conference and really even in the Western Conference. Semifinals are awesome. In terms of the matchups who has the heart to go against the other teams best player. I know it's a team game and their they're matchups to deal with him benches and coaching and everything, but what you seem to be referring to his book ler has the heart to take on the challenge of both ends of the floor. And what I'm telling you is that's true. But he's gonna lose that. And so will the Sixers I think I you can make your primary source. I'm not talking about you talk. When you talk about James Hardie. You talk about buckets when you talk about Dame against Westbrook. You will like what? You go do and I'm saying to you you're taking that. And now you're going away from that mode of thinking that you agreed with the most when we're talking about best when we're talking about that heart transplant because we're talking about linen. We know what he's going to do. We know what he's going to live someone in direct opposition to him answer, the call and Butler will answer the call and they'll lose the series the operational success. But the patient will die in order for Philadelphia to win and beads gotta be that, dude. And because he's not right now in his health is compromised. I don't believe Philadelphia can win game. Three is Thursday here on ESPN, obviously ships to the city of brotherly love in Toronto. Very good on the road this year third. Best record in the NBA. Stephen ages trust the process, let's going on everybody. I'm only care him. And you are listening to the first take podcast. Let's be real hiring used to be hard multiple job sites. Stacks of resumes. It can. Views ING review process, but today, hiring can be easy. And you only have to go to one place to get it done. Ziprecruiter dot com slash. I take ZipRecruiter send your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology ZipRecruiter scams. Thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job. 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I'm Phil Murphy game one of nuggets blazers in the books and much like round one. The joker was wild. In Denver Colo Yokich went for thirty seven points, nine rebounds, six assists on eleven eighteen shooting. Daimler's thirty nine were not enough as Denver takes game. One by eight and Yokich was drawing comparisons to a future hall of Famer one from another sport. But before I consider Tom Brady, you know, he's always pick you apart and make the right leaves? Commit him for doing that at this stage in his career. Not Peyton Manning in Denver. That's it for your sports center right now back to I take. Phil. Thank you, maybe young. But they already Denver leads the series after an eight point win last night. Max, let me ask you this who will decide this series Yokich or Lillard Damian Lillard, and let me say Stephen A that like what I said in the first block these playoffs. I'm not going to include the warriors because they have to MVP level players both of those guys MVP level. In fact, they both one MVP's Duran. And Steph curry every other team they got an MVP caliber player on that team. It'd be other all stars. But won MVP, right? Who wants it? The broadcast playing these playoffs to show you. He's the best in the game. Still is he's done in recent years. Maybe not the best regular season player of the playoffs. You like sorry LeBron. So you you almost forgot as Roy Jones. Once said, we forgot it's you. He can't do that right now. He can't show it so in every single matchup is it kyri. Or is it the freak right? Is it Kawai? Or is it Embiid is it K D or Steph? It's a little unfair because it's both them or can it be James harden and in this series is it Lillard or Yokich? I know I'm the dumb sports guy saying the easy low hanging fruit stuff that doesn't get into the nuance here. Stephen A, it's about matchup since about team. It's about scheme. It's about coaching. I get all that. Nah, man. What is really about in the history of the NBA when you have more or less evenly matched teams in terms of talent. And I think we're there. I know I know nurtures and playing that makes a little difference is who has the best player. Damian Lillard showed me in the first round of these playoffs that he's over whatever ailed him last year when they got swept against drew holiday in them. I believe in Damian Lillard, I believe he believe he's an MVP caliber player, and I believe it will be easier to win with him. Then with Yokich, I'm taking. Lillard over Yokich. I disagree with you. Because it's not about the best player. Sometimes it is. But sometimes it is not. And I think last night was implemented of what we're talking about here because I'm gonna go with Yokich in this particular situation. Here's why max Damian Lillard dropped thirty nine last night. He was flat out balling. But again, the help that he's going to have is questionable. Now, obviously, a CJ McCollum showed up and had a more sort of game that might have helped immensely, but you gotta remember even though they're young and inexperienced Denver is a multi talented multifaceted bunch, particularly on the perimeter. So it's entirely plausible that Damian Lillard can ball out that CJ McCollum can help them the way that he did in the first round series against Oklahoma City, and they could still lose because systemic from a system perspective when you look at Yokich and what he brings to the table. It's just hard to sit up Dan overcome, particularly when. Nurtures out for the season and in his Cantu. Even though he had good numbers yesterday is playing with a left separated showed them. Here's what I'm talking about. Yokich twenty twenty ten and seven he averaged this year only fifteen shots for game hitting nearly eight of them. All right, ten point three rebounds, seven point three assists shooting fifty one percents, but feel thirty percent from three point range to keep you honest hits. One of every three three point is that he takes those around thirty percents stuff. So when you look at it from that perspective this student, and I mean this affectionately just some big tougher law. He just talking about this just off the air, Laurie Anderson to fix the in this case, it is in this case it is because I'm saying it affectionately because I respect his game so much the do just leads on you poor heartless yesterday. These Tyler to small I love Terry stuff. You can't put heartless on his part was too small for Millsaps. Could you imagine? How? Molly was for Yokich just leading on you just back. You doubt, he'll even jump. Mexican belly jump up to a curb for crying out loud. But he leads you so much this being in the facility him makes you tired and exhausted. This is the kind of affect not only can you pass down. Only. Does he's fine. Open shooters, not only cerebral easy. A brilliant basketball player just knows what to do. Which is why mill step said what he said. But the physical impact daddy has just because of his girth and mass combined with the big boys that you don't have on Oakland on our sorry on Portland because what either nurtures out or eat as Kansas plan with that left shoulder. He wanted to and see Jay Mckee. I know that the twenty six and I said that earlier, but it doesn't matter because of he can't neutralize, but so much the effect that Nurik I'm sorry to Jokic is going to have on them because he's just so. There's nothing he could do there's no I'm not sleeping on Yokich Yokich is an MVP caliber player. No. You're not Lillard. These guys all bubble MVP's? But they're in that kind of outside conversation, and they are MVP caliber. I'm saying Lillard is the guy with the ball in his hand. Lillard had enough talent to beat up on. Okay. See with the talent around him to Lillard is a leader. He's the kind of guy like the Greek freak he's easy to root for because you can see just from the way he handles himself, which teammate wouldn't love Damian Lillard. He does everything you wanna point guard to do on the offense of Ed. It's up to him to figure out a way to win. Yes. Also teammates. Yes. Also was coach. Yes. Matchups count. Yes. The other guys have an MVP to in Yokich. But I believe in Lillard based on what I saw so far in these playoffs. And I'm going to say he is going to figure it out by hook or by crook. That's what great players do. Well, listen. That's you're wrong about that. Because that's not always the case. And let me explain obviously Jordan was dominant in the early part of his career. He didn't win. They had Thomas was absolutely fantastic earlier on he didn't win. It takes some of the supplementary parts around you to get it done. And all I'm saying is there are in water basketball where you're the best play unquestionably. So and you lose throughout history that fact has been proven entirely possible that Damian Lillard can average forty in this series on better than forty five percent shooting. The assistant everything that comes with it ball's out and still they don't have enough because the Yokich and the impact that he has in terms of not just to scoring his rebounded. But his officiency as a big, man. And how he facilitates things for the parts around him. The best player does not always win in that. I'm not saying the best player always wins. The best dude enough to get to the second round with another all star caliber player, and I think McCollum is all star caliber whether or not he makes the team he's that level player, then he can advance. It's not like Damian around him. I appreciate you disagree in your own data leave it there Yokich averaging more points per game and rebounds in the playoffs than a regular season. He is a gamer Paul Millsap comparing him to Tom Brady on the court. As an -ticipant it as deemed too is of rockets warriors all out continues from Golden State's win in game. One. Chris Paul has been fined thirty five thousand dollars for according to the league quote aggressively confronting and recklessly making contact with a game official beliefs. Two-minute minute report came out for game. One some points of note, the NBA ruled the crew made the correct non-call undisputed contact by Klay Thompson on Chris Paul with less than seven seconds to go. That's led to C P three's outbursts and fine. Put the review says Steph curry should've been whistle birth Val with one ten to go important because it would have held out Steph curry made a key three to extend the warriors lead to five just thirty seconds later. Finally curry had his hand in the cookie jar appearing to make contact with Erik Gordon review found that sh- that should have been a foul as well. That's it for your four center right now. Let's head back. The first. L think kindly to recap the rockets not only unhappy about the -ficiating in game one but also last year series with the warriors. So and the league's two-minute report from game one game officials made three crucial. Incorrect calls in the final one ten in the game, including two that would have resulted in Steph curry fouling out. Stephen do the problem with the rockets fficials issues, I do I haven't problem with the youth rockets and how they've handled this whole mantle I want to wanting to stop and I'm not saying that they don't make points. They don't make valid points because sometimes they do, but we all understand that human error as part of the game. And we've got to take that into consideration. Take for example, the last two minutes the last two minute reports with the NBA puts out calls puts out an evaluation about the officials or what have you first of all according to the NBA because I've spoken to them. Ninety seven percent of the time to referees. Get the calls, right? Ninety seven percent. And the reason why the last two minutes, for example, in terms of that evaluation even exist is because. A multitude of teams throughout the years have requested. This information be put out because they wanted that information to be highlighted if a ref makes a mistake the team's not exaggerating etc. Etc. But the NF the NBA's position was it would also show how great these officials are how more off the fall more often than not they get calls. Right. And so let's understand that if you're playing a game of basketball if you covering the game of basketball, if if your coaching in a game of basketball, whatever the case may be you recognize how brilliant these officials off for the most what do they make mistakes tom-tom? Absolutely. But in the end if the teams requested that that information be devotes any officials for the most part didn't have a problem with it. Then nobody should be complaining about it. Now used to rockets MAC, I'm gonna give you the floor because you on a person at a simply said James harden has to make those shots I believe in James audit. I believe that he will. I think he's gonna have a damn big game tonight. I Dave show believe in CPI three and the rest of the Houston because I don't believe they will be Golden State. But that's because I think Golden State is all world if not to sit up there and and throw shade on the Houston Rockets. They are sensational team from Darrow Mauri to Mike did Tony to the place. They deserve our profound respect. But right now, these guys the Golden State Warriors in their head, and they're too busy focus on the officiating as opposed to make his shots and getting on the court and saying no matter what the circumstances are. We're going to handle our business against the to renting defending NBA champions. We are tired of seeing them on top of that perch, we want to knock them off. And we are we are committed to take them out. Don't look for help from the Fisher max, you'd love this. It's like a buck. So sitting in the ring point to the to the referee all the of top while somebody twenty minute face this. They've put you in a faith hit him back because if you don't hit him back. You fall is just as simple with the Houston Rockets and. I need to recognize that. I don't have a problem with the Houston Rockets. Complaining of ski officials. I mean on my annoyed by yes. But I don't have a problem with that per se. I do have a problem with James harden being so concerned with getting the call that he's not concentrating on hitting the shot. I do agree that the rockets need to be more concerned about hitting the shots then getting the calls. But why do they even do that? Because hardens almost ninety percent free throw shooter. Right. So if he shoots under forty percent from three even under forty percent chance to get any points at all. And if you get them three points, but if you're shooting ninety percent from the line, then you're ninety percent likely to at least get a point. You're eighty percent likely to get two points. And you're seventy percent likely to get three nine times nine times nine right? So it makes sense from from an analytics point of view to try to get to the line. But not if it means you're like if that means that now, you're looking for the officials to bail you out of a missed shot. That's going to be a mistake. I applaud the officials. For calling the game that way for you're trying to you're trying to make it. So that right there that he that he's not giving you a place to land. You have a place to land. You choose to land under your defender. Draymond green in that case not gonna give you that. Good for you. Good for you. Rest porn hit your shot. Don't worry about those put in terms of just the complaint. Stephen I want to show you this Henry Abbott tweet from true hoop yesterday. Okay. Okay. Because he brings up a good point who are the people complaining. Two of the smartest people in the Steve Kerr, Daryl Morey, evidently, believe courting. The media medium public sentiment is worth their time and can help get more favorable calls from the rats. That's what this is about. It's the same reason. Steve Kerr flocks press conference who you remember who I remember from my childhood who used to play against the Knicks all the time the coach that used to manipulate public opinion this way through the media about the rest better than anyone was Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson would always take shots at the rest in the media if the rest of his and I always felt as Knicks fan watching like damn that really. Does give them an advantage. The rockets are not as good as the warriors in order to win. They need to make sure that every little I is dotted and t is crossed every detail is paid attention to. So if they notice that the rest are airing in the other direction, they got a call attention to it. So at least that evens out they gotta do X max, I gotta Tech's from somebody in the NBA. Let me read this to you. They said we were regularly getting questions from teams about late gain plays. They wanted us to acknowledge mistakes if they were made so we will put releases out from time to time to acknowledge a late game the steak, but that just created more request from the teams, and it was unfair to our refs because we pretty much only commented on their mistakes not on a teams. So we created a bright line of the last two minutes to comment on all Kohl's that way. It could. Be no lobbying from teams, but we would acknowledge mistakes, but also show how fantastic I referees are. So both sides were being fed. The teams wanted those mistakes highlighted, but in the same breath, the NBA knew that ninety seven percent of the time at the very least the rest getting called. Right. So you wanted to highlight how brilliant the referees. Aw, while also acknowledging mistakes because both sides are receiving fair and equitable treatment. But that Jerry's waiting them. But what I'm saying is. But that's all timidly what is happening because in the end human ever, we all understand that that comes along with anything. And I'm on. I'm pointing to you in terms of favorably by saying your, you know, your fixation on James harden making shots, essentially what you're saying. Max this you know, what the situation they could add what you up against you know, what you gotta deal with handle it. Right. Other boosting medicine. That's what does it. And to me. This is what does about another boxing another boxing analogy. If you are worried about the officials knocked the dude out, then you don't have to worry about the scorecard. If hardens worried about Cole's hit the shot, then you have to worry about the calls. But this is not what Daryl Morey is referring to with Daryl Morey in the rockets are complaining about is. When they analyze calls in last year's conference finals what they found is the totality of the calls fit. That there was an admission of getting it wrong favored, the Golden State Warriors. In other words, the general sense. Well, it's going to even out, and what the rockets are saying is yo-. It's not even out. Let me give you this last comment. That pot is weak, and let me tell you. Why have a problem with that on a part of that used to rottenness? I don't wanna hear that. Now that you said that after once the season began after you had reached out to the league and got this information, and we heard an October or November on. Sempe? That's different you pick it up. Now when you get ready to go up against the Golden State Warriors. And you're going to tell us that that may have cost you championship last year. I don't wanna hear that. Now, do your business now Daryl Morey, Houston, I respect the hell out of them. I really do. But I want ball taking place. I don't want gripe. That's not giant out there play. We'll grant from now. I think it smells forty two Daryl Morey to complain. I think he may have a point. But I'm annoyed by the smart to complain. But we not this. The rockets are not interested in fairness they're looking for an edge. They think the edges going the other way if the edge was going their way, they wouldn't say, Nicole it handle your business on the court. Don't look too often the media and referee handle your biz James harden VP in the playoffs. Even I tell them, by the way veteran official Scott foster will be assigned to the game tonight. Oh, we going here complain about that too. I by the way, Scott fosters, not playing that. He's gonna talk right out of the game.

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All-Time Shot?

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All-Time Shot?

"Pardon the interruption? But I'm Mike will Tony Joel. Indeed, I'd last I win is the last time you cried. I'm Tony Kornheiser ornery. Ghosted me. You know one. You'll even what goes to news. Do you? Okay. We'll show you those funny moment, Joel and beach first, great funny moment on TV was when they said, what would you know? What would you say the trust the process after heated Nord him when he was young seat? Once that does he wants at this moment. It seemed like data could be even now. Joylin feed. You got the world the world. Are you going to drain coming situation? That's the new boys and girls today's episode. Joel Embiid cries Steph curry celebrates LeBron has a new coach, but we begin today with one of the greatest game winning shots in the history of basketball right up there with Christian Leitner and Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. And anyone else you can name Kawai Leonard shot hit the near rim down straight up hit the near rim again bounce to the far rim hit it twice and gently dropped we'll what did you make of that shot that ending and that's series? First of all don't ever put Christian Leitner in that company. Again, don't ever do. That was great. It was aimed weenie was a shot. It's game. Let's get to the game win shot playing famous shots ever called shot forces us. I I just remember screaming out loud in my house. I missed it. Because it's gotta go back the other way, the shot's the term come back was so soft and when it goes into. Streaming and mostly free Matthew, we're screaming just like just like it was the announcers did they screen this only one response. And then to see Joel Embiid, and I was obsessed with that. And I still am to go to Marcus who obviously had a relationship solid saying him you'll get back here. Don't don't don't do. Don't worry about it. And in afterwards saying Assad had so much class to help me out. Like that in that moment. This is this is what the agony of defeat is. And I'm thinking of all the people I despise and find load some who say pros don't feel and it's only a college kids who feel and I wanna slap their faces and say look at Joel Embiid. It was a great game. It wasn't artistically play. It was it was contentious. It was wonderful. It was everything basketball and sports should be. So I watched that game carefully watch both games carefully yesterday. I was struck by the Toronto players who did not want to touch the ball. Did not wanna shoot the ball ever. Guys were all stars like. Siachen as an all-star believe Kyle Lowry. Also numerous times soon as the ball got to their hands. We're looking for number two, please God, let Colli Leonard have this daydream number two this, right? Don't want to shoot. I didn't know. But so he ends his taking thirty nine shots. Not because he's a hard because he's willing easy expect the story of that series to me is how great collide Leonard was he averaged thirty five points fifty four percent shooting apps. His the more the place on the list was the greatest player in the playoffs Maine's up there with him the only ones with him or like Jordan Kareem wilted central scoring in a in a series. Tony he he was great. I'm in my ear Siachen on all star comeback player. The vote is going to be one. I mean, I was thinking I'm thinking that they cannot be Milwaukee. If they're. If there was monkeys them. Now, they've won this big Thursday. They can never get past. The bronze you know, what I'm getting that? But the pressure may be all were scared. They were but they work. What about what they're gonna be? Well, I still going to be scared in a in a game seven to be scared. Everybody scared to game seven games at home seven the real killer for the seventy Sixers. They don't even get to say wait till next year. There may be no next year. Now. Jimmy, Butler Tobias Harris JJ Rennick all going into free agency in bead and been Simmons are under contract. And the Sixers could really get lucky if Sacramento jumps thirteenth spots and win the lottery likely back three -ality Brent Brown seed is more than a little warm. And now the process is nothing more than a cliche. There is pressure to win. Now. Tony where the Sixers go from here. Clearly, they are team in transition because of everything you're saying, I would not be surprised. I don't think you'd be surprise if Brett Brown. We're no longer. Coach next year wouldn't be unfair. I don't know is that an owner says we have to deal the game seven tell us shot that bounces going to sue prize me if that happens Tobias Harris to me is just a guy I wouldn't time. Jimmy Butler has always struck me as a hessian who will go to the best situation with the best money. But he likes him. Be Embiid is the draw. Here's big, bro. Let me get to what I think is the heart of the question here, and it's been Simmons Ben Simmons afraid to shoot. Now. They had a disaster shift from three the disastrous pick with Markelle full so became afraid to shoot Ben civic league guard. He's he's really good. He's really good. But if he's afraid to shoot do you move him and get a point guard and restructure around him beat. What do you do a lot of restructuring? Let me just say this. They should move heaven and earth to keep Jimmy Butler. Butler goes, and he can tease him be. He can push him. He can nudge always unafraid of rape. He tried to do that, Minneapolis. And those guys didn't wanna be pushed a nudge or Vallejo. He'll say there's enough here. See that's what I'm able to do that you have to keep Simmons. Here's get better. I mean Magic Johnson didn't shoot threes when he was young. He did it as he got older decisions. Get better. I would not trade him. Good. Does. He looked to you like someone who wants to you gotta shoot the ball. Don't have to shoot it all the time. He's got to get better at that thing. And listen JJ Rettig is so valuable, but JJ ready could look say there's any number teams where I could be the lastest off the bed. Embiid is the key with them beat on the court in this series, plus ninety minus one on nine when he's off the Jimmy BOS you're gonna do convince him he's got to get in the kind of shape where he can play seventy five games every health plus the playoffs the Denver Nuggets playing. Game seven at home. They got a seventeen point lead and somehow managed to lose to Portland Portland one despite his best player Damian Lillard missing fourteen of his seventeen shots, but C J McCollum the pride of Lehigh university. Got thirty seven points. We'll how seriously do you take the blazers chances against Golden State now -pletely seriously, Tony played Golden State recently in the playoffs and Golden State overwhelmed them, but we've seen that happened in the past and the NBA conference finals with say, the the Celtics and the way they treated the pistons until they grew up in the pistons and the way they treated the bulls into they grew up, I see an analogous situation. Here. Look the war is going to be the favorites. Especially what we're gonna get to about. Steph curry Netease. How they play with without Kevin Durant. But when you got little Mecom, these guys are fully developed mature guards. Now, you got a bench. I hope Rodney hood. Okay. We don't know that yet. You got. I mean, they've got a full team in Portland, they did not necessarily have that man for man for years ago. So i'm. To look backwards before look forward. But I promise I'll vote I'm backwards a Denver. This is an unbelievable choke job that happened with Denver last night there number two and number three players best two and three best players, Paul Millsap and Jamal Maury was seven for third and me that's just seven thirty one. You can't stop shooting night. They missed seven teen straight threes. A lot of the were open looks at home. You make one of those you're going to win this game you make one. So that was bad now to look forward. I look at Portland as legitimate team. Kevin Durant is not gonna play game on. I don't think I was gonna play game two. I'll be does in the series. I don't I he's not gonna play serious if they're at even strength. This is what I would say to you that what Portland is very good at Golden State is great at and that's the difference. But if Kevin Durant does not not not one game. Now, if he played a whole deal Portland can win are different Charles Barkley on this show and his show and other shows has been. Saying Puertas going west takes didn't go seven. And I said what? Now, you said I'm sorry. Did you hear me Portas coming out of the west? I'm cold in state how compelling series, and we're gonna talk about are you having pick Golden State. I'm gonna pick Golden State because of what I just saw them do Portland Tony is an irresistible team. They're so likeable. I know you're gonna underestimate them because. Yeah. Because you spent the whole spring telling people you've never seen them not interested in Denver, and and putting on your radar and to underestimate them. I'm going Jolan status. Chanter that's in some respect. Now, expect you don't even put some specked on their names. No. 'cause I'm making funny you because you didn't watch him. You said they were in the land time for God. Yeah. Expect me to forget that we have to look back to Friday night now and one of the amazing performances outcomes in NBA playoff history. Steph Curry's thirty three point second half. Golden State stunning road win without Kevin Durant. And yet another Houston elimination from the playoffs at the hands of the warriors. Tony did that curry performance in one half, two minutes, James Harden's performance over an entire sees only. A foul percent James harden can score all the points. He want. What does he do in the playoffs? Steph curry has zero points in the first half, and he finishes with thirty three in a performance that evokes Michael Jordan James harden, does not evoke Michael Jordan. We are done now with James harden. Chris Paul, and the rockets we are done. They are a second round team. There a fine team. They've had opportunity after opportunity after opportunity and they can't beat this second round team. It depends on where they finish versus Golden State because nobody else beating them just Golden State. I would say. James harden? Mighty vote. Karl Malone another great player who could not beat the best player of the generation. Look, I told you this is more on your podcast. I'm not going to shred Houston. Reminds me very much of John Stockton and chrome loan. They got they got to the finals only because Michael Jordan was on the other side. But you know, they got to Tony geography. It doesn't Houston is probably the second best team in the NBA because of geography play Golden State win. They have to play them. It's like, we don't you? Don't make Patrick Ewing. Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller and saying all the guys they did say dunning circumstance that you could be at home for game six and Kevin Durant was averaging about thirty five points. Again is not on the court, and you lose at home. You just. Surprise that. I thought they win the two did Tony. I've thought they were gonna Blida rate them in game six golden winning game seven Los Angeles, Lakers finally have a coach Frank Vogel coached, Indiana and Orlando the Lakers gave Vogler three year deal which was to fewer than Tyron Lou demanded the Lakers also hired Jason Kidd is the lead assistant. But wait, there's more. Phil Jackson was reportedly consulted on Vogel and blessed the decision will bond. How does this higher sit with you? How like Frank Vogel? I think Frank Vogel is a worthy coach, it seems like LeBron also likes entertaining. The notion of people did he has been rivals within the past bringing them aboard. Which is why he had the crazy man from Vogel's team from Indiana come with them last year who blow your yeah. Yeah. So LeBron seems okay with that that that rivals is a certain connection he has with him. And he probably knows he played again. Frank Vogel, and they really respect friends. So I'm not going to sit here and diminish Frank Vogel. I don't know what. The Lakers are doing. I'm not gonna see and try to pretend like I know what the link is doing. So if you know take over there, there are two things here. That are interesting to me one is definitely going to happen. Lebron is gonna wake up one day. And he's going to say I won't play for this guy anymore and he'll do to him. What he did today? Black and then Jason Kidd moves right up in. And he becomes what do you presume Jason because he he won't be Frank Vogel. That's why he wants to play for. So he wants to play for the next guy. The second thing that interests me is the reporting of the influence that Kurt Rambis apparently has about coaching Linda Rambus live Rambus as well. Whole here is Kurt Rambus is record as a Colino NBA thirty two and one thirty to sixty five and one sixty four with thirty two was Minnesota. What what does he know about coaching his record sixty five and one sixty four what what is he not going to say curves. Does a lot of our basketball basket. Critise includes coaching. Just because you can't coach yourself Jerry West record is a coast to hire coaches, Jerry West walked out and said, it's not for me. He he couldn't get it done. But he could hire people who could let's go to acquaint Jerry saying this. We're not he knew about coaching as a criteria. You say you have no idea what the idea what to do. I don't think anybody has any idea right now. I hope if the owner did let me just say this. They're this close to being a clown show. Bre a steak break coming up is John line smart to leave Michigan to coach the Cavs. And we've got a remarkable new high school record in the hundred meter dash, Tony I little late to this. But we need to give some love this kid run out. This kit. Nobody's touching. Interruption is brought to you by McDonalds and immobile with your home or away to mobile has you covered. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got their loan get there. I'll get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this? Believe at Geico could save you percent or more on car insurance. Mail farm where we give you inspired answers to pedestrian questions. Let me see what candid swipe at the viewer backhanded. It's direct. Would you have advised? John v line to leave Michigan to coach the Cavaliers. No, I wouldn't have Tony except he was candy with me, and I was his counsel. And he said look this much money at sixty six years old is too much to pass up. Then I would say, okay, I get it, and you could get back into college. Maybe but though, not Ajab perhaps Michigan to Cavaliers don't have the players for John beeline or anybody else to be mmediately successful. And you wonder how long they're going to have him as a college coach. And there's going to be out there all the time. Even though he didn't have the players. He didn't have big time players yet not enough of them these one every place he's ever been. He's one in high school d three d two d one is overall records eight twenty nine four hundred and sixty eight my guess is that he looks at this as an annuity sixty six years old Zion this amount Zion. Tamara changes the whole. Right. Think he's going to get shot. Maybe he looked around in Maryland. And I awoke and Wisconsin and Michigan state and says it's hard to win here. I'll go to a place where the bars really locus cavalier stink. I'll do better there. As time goes on men's what I'm thinking when he money menu. And that's not what newest not bad at all. These are net. Do you expect the hurricanes combat straw after eating a saying this in quotes right poop, sand wears a quote is from Justin Williams, Mr. game seven this, quote, you spend all this time leading up with everyone writing. How great you are you come out. And sometimes you got to eat a poop sandwich. It doesn't taste good. You gotta chew on it for this refers to them going down to Boston in Boston. Yeah. Right. Giving up eleven goals in to Mike. I think that they're going to win game three and. Did they can be to harass? I think. Sandwiches out at Marchand on the I just a Williams where he was part of your with Washington gas grades played for the caps. You made you sort of sit in a derisive way. Mr. No, that's the calm. Mr games. Because he's beating everybody. In Los Angeles. Player. Good captain. It'd be talking. Matthew, bowling setting, the all time high school record in the hundred meter dash big deal little deal. No deal. It's big deal squared. Yeah. Okay. Just the number alone. This kid, Tony. He has a wind aided nine nine eight. But you also have this two one three he's in high school. You look at him run. And look I'm gonna get to the most important issue here. This is a white kid doing their this is Tiger Woods. Okay. This is look different from all the other competitors. It's an even bigger deal. This is in the state of Texas. They run in Texas. They got lots of the fastest guys in America. The wind aided is nine nine eight. And that is rare air that's Olympic air you break. Ten. That's not you saying boats Olympic air. Not only that anchors the four by four hundred. He throws a forty that. Seventy five out there runs. He could count. Some let me get here. He is also the state champion long jump. So he's Carl Lewis and Jesse Owens, maybe. So when you say that big a huge, wait for the half, white men can't run. Well, it says kid kin one he can he survive the pressure that comes with everyone looking at him for the those when you're product that's hard to keep playing team. Come feel wing takes out not as him Bumgarner. And then Bumgarner returns the favor after the game. Keep you wanna go under Carl Lewis Houston. We gotta find out more about this. We'll tell you how tiger feels after this morning's practice round the PGA. We're gonna have this cold everywhere there except Florida. It's cold. They're holding a York. Place to say. Interruption is brought to you by John wick chapter three every action has gone to Gwen ses in theaters Friday. On people have twenty seven birthday Wilson contrary. Cubs all star catchers having his best season. Batting three. Oh, four is ten home runs. Already matches last season though, you out in fifteen innings on Saturday game with a walk off Homer. And then came back and forth all nine Sunday night on Joe madness, killing you boy forget about that contrast and hobby by the m IP's the most important or most impactful players only in the league. We'll control is great how he keeps up as long as we can't kill him. Not so happy anniversary Bryce Harper on this. They six years ago. You ran full speed into the right field wall Dodger Stadium. You had no idea. It was there Harper's with the Phillies. Now, he's killing nets this year. Two homers and seven RBI eight games. But doing very little in the other games since April ten poppers batting one ninety six with just ten extra base hits. When you hit the shower a glass door to hotel bathroom accustomed to all he could a really really released recently. Themselves. Happy trails this Madison. Bumgarner inside fastball. Mad? Bums, bitter rival Yossi tweet took him deep gone and essentially to the bat flip to taunt Bumgarner even more after the game. Bumgarner said snively, quote, he's a quick study. It only took him seven years to learn how to hit that pitch on quote that is a great quote and these two they don't like each other right now Puig's I hell of a lot more valuable than Madison. Bumgarner who's probably going to be traded by the deadline. I also wanted to say a melancholy trails to Doris day and Peggy Lipton. Dr stay was in so many great romantic comedies in the nineteen fifties and sixties rock lifting was on the mod squad in the seventies. Dr stay was ninety seven Peggy Lipton was seventy two but produces wouldn't let me say this for fear. I would look far too old to Lipton Clarence Williams that third and Michael Cole in the Mottes that show was so out of the box at the time. And by the way. She's receipted Jones Ma Jones. Yes. Yes. Yes. Running the show. We go to the big finish. Stagger. Played nine in cold and rain page this morning says he feels good is significant start you gonna feel good by the way in the fifties. And the sixties with put the thing in August. We're belongs the Mavericks, Kristaps Porzingis was jumped in salt outside and clubbing Loppy your thoughts. Get him out of lot via and get him. Back to Dallas would be my thoughts man sitting at Liverpool to win the Premier League. Are you impressed? Let me little only lost once league play man city. It lost four times in retry only Manson Aaron Rodgers a momentary cameo in game of thrones last night. I had a line in the Americans. I said, ooh, what a shot did Rogers have live. Did he didn't have a lot? Did you sure has? Goes against the Mariners tonight second-string no hitter. You not know what that's called the kids. Don't know the van. Time the better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser. Does get it. We're gonna talk about that tomorrow for a long time. I'm Mike will bond. Same time tomorrow. Knuckleheads. You can get the PTI podcast on the ESPN app or apple podcasts that you lifting kin.

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