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NPR News: 11-29-2020 3AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 5 months ago

NPR News: 11-29-2020 3AM ET

"Live from npr news. I'm nora raum. Pennsylvania supreme court last night throughout the latest lawsuit brought by the trump campaign in an attempt to overturn the election results. This one tried to keep the state from certifying. The joe biden had one. It was upheld by a lower court. Last week now pennsylvania's highest court ruled unanimously against the request. Friday night of federal appeals court dismissed another trump campaign lawsuit also seeking to undo the results in pennsylvania in california. The republican candidate has won a tightly fought. Us race in the state farm belt the third republican house pick up in the state. Npr's eric westervelt reports president. Donald trump was predictably clobbered in california. Losing the state to joe biden by almost thirty points but republicans actually had one of their best years in the state more than a decade. The gop friday recaptured a third. Us house seat. The democrats have flipped from republicans in two thousand eighteen after the ap called the tight race in the twenty first district. They're republican david. Validation took back the central valley seat. He lost two years ago to democratic representative. Tj cox the third house pickup offers a sliver of hope for republicans in a state where democrats still hold every statewide office super majorities in the legislature and a wide voter registration advantage. Eric westervelt npr. News san francisco the surge in covid nineteen cases is affecting most of the us in texas. The hospitals are filling up and the staff is overworked. Dr joseph valeron is chief of staff at united memorial medical center in houston. He says the situation is likely to become even worse. A truly believe that the next six weeks are going to be the darkest in modern american american medical history. And i say so because of what's been going on the last few days. He says that part of the problem is that people are tired of dealing with covid nineteen and are not taking any of the precautions. Thousands gathered across france yesterday. Protesting a proposed law. They say would make it harder to expose police. Violence rebecca rosman reports demonstrators in central peres. Dodge tear gas and chanted liberty to protest bill. They say threatens freedom of expression there has been a particular backlash against one provision that restricts publishing footage of the police that would quote harm their physical or mental wellbeing supporters of the law. Say it would protect police officers from being threatened while off duty. The protests come on the heels of multiple incidents of police being seen using excessive force in video shared on social media on video shows. Police brutally meaning a black music producer. He was trying to enter his studio for npr news. I'm rebecca rosman in paris. This is npr news. Iran's supreme leader yesterday promised retaliation for the killing of the islamic republic's top. Nuclear scientists gunmen ambushed his car near tehran friday. The supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei said iran's first priority is the definitive punishment of the perpetrators. And those who ordered it other. Iranian leaders are blaming israel for the attack. Israel has not commented. The denver broncos are without a quarterback today literally colorado. Public radio's vic vella has more. All of the broncos quarterbacks have been ruled out today's home game against new orleans due to covid nineteen exposure backup quarterback jeff driscoll tested positive for the corona virus. Last week the other. Qb's including regular starter drew lock. Were in close contact with him. The athletic reports the players were not forthcoming with the nfl during contact tracing interviews about the exposure. The broncos insist they will not forfeit. Today's game instead. They'll have another player like a running back or wide receiver or perhaps both play quarterback for npr news. I'm vic vella in denver in college football. Sarah fuller made history yesterday. She became the first woman to participate in power five conference game when she kicked off her vanderbilt to start the second half against missouri fuller got her chance after several members of the squad were put in quarantine because of covid nineteen vanderbilt then turned to the soccer team. Where fuller is a six foot two goalkeeper. I'm nora raum npr news.

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NPR News: 11-27-2020 7PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 5 months ago

NPR News: 11-27-2020 7PM ET

"Live from npr news. I'm jack speer. The trump campaign has suffered another setback in its attempt to overturn the outcome of the election. Npr's windsor johnston reports federal appeals court panel in pennsylvania today tossed out a lawsuit that was seeking to undo the state certification of president elect. Joe biden's victory. One federal appeals court. Judge said the lawsuit lacked merit and failed to provide evidence to support the trump campaign's allegations of widespread voter fraud. Attorneys for the president are vowing to appeal the case to the supreme court but university of richmond law professor. Karl tobias says that's a long shot thorough repudiation of what the plaintiffs are asking for. And i don't think supreme court is going to be any more generous. Even without pennsylvania's twenty electoral votes president elect joe biden would still win the election. Georgia michigan and nevada have also certified results in vitamins. Favor windsor johnston. Npr news another down ballot win for republicans. We've picked up their eleven seat overall the us house and their third seed in california. David rela deo reclaiming the. Us house cd lost in the farm belt. Two years ago former congressman defeating democrat. Tj cox who ousted valejo in the twenty first congressional district. Two years ago by eight hundred sixty two votes. The justice department will soon allow federal executions to be carried out using methods other than lethal injection. Npr's brian man reports the new rules change in the final weeks of the trump administration would allow the death penalty administered by other means including firing squads and poison gas. The new rule goes into effect. Christmas eve and allows federal executions to follow the procedures quote prescribed by the law of the state in which the sentence was imposed that could mean electrocution in healing nitrogen gas and in a few states a firing squad or hanging. This comes after attorney. General william bar resumed federal executions. This year after a seventeen year hiatus the administration has scheduled five more executions before the end of trump's team president elect joe biden opposes the death penalty in supports legislation that would ban the federal practice while incentivizing states and capital punishment. As well brian man. Npr news the us chief. Brexit negotiator arrived in london and meet with his british counterpart. Today teri schultz reports talks broke off after michel barnier had to go into self-isolation due to a case of coronavirus on his team. You chief negotiator michel barnier says significant divergences persist between the eu and uk with the deadline of december thirty first looming to have not only in agreement governing trade and customs practices but also to get it passed parliaments on both sides. Tough tariffs are due to come into effect in both directions on january. First if no agreement is reached order teri schultz on wall street. Today the dow up thirty seven points. The nasdaq rose one. Hundred and eleven points this is. Npr scientists are confirming elusive rodent in eastern africa applies poison to its own for npr's nell greenfieldboyce reports. The african crested rat also has an unexpected social life. The african crested rat is the only mammal known to defend itself using a plant toxin. This rodent chews on the bark of a poisonous tree then uses the saliva mixture to coat. Some special hairs on its flanks. This behavior was observed and only one animal about a decade ago but now in the journal of malady scientists say they trapped twenty five more of these creatures and about half of them did win offered the toxic tree branches. Scientists had assumed these animals lived solitary lives but some of the trapped animals seem to know each other and when scientists put to powell's in the same enclosure they groomed each other and snuggled nell greenfieldboyce. Npr news trump administration's as it plans to move forward on a measure that would do away with protections for roughly a thousand different species of birds in the us move by the administration coming. Despite objections from federal officials in many scientists who say billions more birds could parish in coming decades. Those restrictions are removed. Us fish and wildlife service posted its assessment of the rule. The final stemming rollback will become official within thirty days oil and gas industries of long-sought rollback that limits federal prosecution for industry practices. Kill an estimated. Four hundred and fifty million to one billion birds a year girdle. Futures markets closed moderately higher. This week that were down. Eighteen cents a barrel today to end the session at forty five fifty three a barrel. I'm jack speer npr news.

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June 18, 2020

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

06:32 min | 11 months ago

June 18, 2020

"Stay tuned after the show for a message from Pharma. Good Thursday morning. I'm Jay Sherman and Welsh, your political playbook audio briefing and Anna. Palmer The New York Times The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal are all carrying various leaks of John Bolton's the room where it happened a book, whose released might or might not happen depending what a judge decides in the coming days thought it might be useful to catalog with Bolton is claiming in list form cold from the excellent accounts in the Washington Post. New York Times and Wall Street Journal. First, up President Donald Trump asked the Chinese president by egg products to help him win reelection. He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome, Bolton rights trump seemingly thought it was okay to build concentration camps to house one million wieger Muslims in China and he told that she told the Chinese. Leader Americans want to change the constitution to have him serve more than two terms. Trump was unsure if Finland was part of Russia, it's not. He also didn't know. The United Kingdom was a nuclear power. Power It is Vladimir Putin compared Wand Widodo to Hillary Clinton in an apparent bid to boost Venezuelan strongman Nicholas Maduro. Trump thought Guido was a kid. Compared to Madero trump also suggested Warren Venezuela would be cool. He signaled to Turkish President Airline that he would intervene in the case against a Turkish firm wants. The DOJ southern district was filled with his allies secretary of State Mike. pompeo Slip Bolton a note during negotiations with North Korea, saying he is so full of Shit. He later said there was zero probability of success in negotiating with North Korea. POMPEO, listening to a call between trump and the South Koreans, and told Bolton that he was having a cardiac arrest in Saudi Arabia. Bolton said the call was a quote near death, experience. Trump was fixated on getting a copy of Elton John's rocket man to Kim Jong Hoon and the president defended the Saudis in the Jamal Kashogi incident because he thought it would distract from vodka trump using a private e mail server. Bolton. John Kelly Pompeo all considered resigning and trump said he thought journalists should be jailed and executed Bolton says trump told him that, rex. tillerson describing Nikki Haley by what the time calls a sexist obscenity. Bolton says he pompeo en Mark Casper tried to get trump to release aid to Ukraine eight to ten times. Bolton said trump bought having jared Kushner deal with Mexico was the. The only way to stop the caravans trump sat down for an interview with the Journal where he said there were no strange relationship with Pompeii Oh and denied giving his blessing to cheat build concentration camps. A person close to pompeo denied the note, passing incident even happened L.. A. Times reports. Federal prosecutors are considering criminal charges against John Bolton for disclosing classified information, but in the. The meantime, the post reports at DOJ sat in emergency order from a judge to block publication of Bolton's book in Playbook News We'd like to extend a warm welcome to Alex Whigham. WHO's taking over as the new editor of Lenin Playbook? whigham comes aboard after serving as political editor of Buzzfeed News. He'll take over in September from Jack. Blanchard who launched the Lenin playbook in two. Two thousand, seventeen, his growing the subscriber base to around fifty thousand blanchard will become politico's first UK political editor Dan. Turn will be the new head of Tyson foods, global government affairs will join the company. June twenty-ninth turn was most recently a senior advisor to the House Rules Committee and Managed General Motors Federal State and local public policies strategies and was the head of energies. I and playbook this morning the. Has Reserved. Twenty, three and a half, million dollars in advertising buys across the country. These are all offensive is trying to unseat Democrats are in Bakersfield and Fresno for one point one six and one point seven, eight, million, a big bet on David validation, winning a seat back from TJ Cox in New York. They're spending a lot of money to boost. Claudia Tenney over Anthony Brindisi Cedar rapids. They're spending two point. Six million dollars in Davenport six, hundred, eighty, five thousand dollars, and in Des Moines one point three. Three five million dollars for representative, David. Young is running against representative city acne and representative abby, thinking our and the open Dave Lopes. Backseat are all competitive in Atlanta. They're spending one point. Four five million dollars, Minneapolis two point, six six million dollars, and in Philadelphia three point six million dollars. There's of in these big metro areas Atlanta six out for being a bit small for the challenges Republicans face in the blooming state. In Oklahoma City. They're spending. Seven hundred twenty five thousand dollars against Representative Kendra Horn in Charleston South Carolina thirty, six, hundred thirty thousand dollars against representative Joe Cunningham in Houston two point, six million dollars was Leigh Hunt is in race against representative Lucy Fletcher and enrichment, six hundred thousand dollars against Representative Abigail Span Burger. In Albuquerque New Mexico. There's spending five hundred and forty thousand dollars in El Paso Texas three hundred fifty thousand dollars against, so she towards small the New York. Times asked US trump really wanNA run again. His self sabotages worrying his aid trump. Sean Hannity last night, said he couldn't watch George Floyd video for a long period of time. Sarah Ferris Kyle Cheney. Heather Caitlyn John Bresnahan report the House Judiciary Committee advanced. Democrats reform bill after an emotional debate, Burgess effort reports that Senate Democrats are wing shutting down the gop police reform effort ally naked. MELANIA's not a report that House Republican. Leaders are condemning a Georgia congressional candidate made racist videos mark. Poodle reports that the Latino victory project has added top Miami Trial Lawyer Ralph Pitino to its board along with Capri Marshall. They want to raise four million dollars in less than five months. Show voters in Florida. Patino is a top floor to money. Man Who helped raise thirty six million dollars for the DNC twenty twelve. Here's what's on tap for trump's Thursday. The president will participate in roundtable with governors on reopening small businesses at three PM in the state dining room subscribed to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook. 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Ilhan Omar and the Proof that Voter Fraud Is Real

The Charlie Kirk Show

31:42 min | 7 months ago

Ilhan Omar and the Proof that Voter Fraud Is Real

"Thank you for listening to this podcast wine production. Now, available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Hey everybody voter fraud is real in a true bombshell revelation. We'll have documented video evidence of any illegal ballot harvesting scheme happening in Minnesota a swing state. We dive into this and the truth of voter fraud and what you can do about it please support our program at Charlie. Kirk Dot com slash support. Charlie. Kirk Dot com slash support. You want to get involved with turning-point USA The nation's largest organization fighting for freedom and American campuses across the country. It's T P. USA DOT COM TEEPEE USA dot com email your questions freedom and Charlie Kirk Dot com, and if you want to win a signed copy of the New York Times Bestseller, the doctrine type and Charlie Kirk showed your podcast provider hits subscribe. Give us a five star review screen shot at an email to us freedom in Charlie Kirk Dot Com. Freedom Charlie Kirk Dot Com. Voter fraud is real buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie what you've done is incredible here maybe Charlie Kirk on the college campus I want you to know we are lucky to have charlie. Charlie kirks running the White House calls. I WANNA. Thank Joe. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building most powerful youth organisations ever created turning point. USA, not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Those of us that believe in the Judeo Christian state of nature we know that man in the state of nature according to Thomas Hobbes said it best. We are nasty brutish and short to each other we can't be trusted with power. This is why the founding fathers designed the system of government that they did. They did not one man or one group of people or woman to have too much power. They knew what Lord Acton said that absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. That because of that, the system that Monto skew articulated before the American founding of checks and balances was necessary. and. You come the no surprise to anyone that in the pursuit of power people are going to act unethically that they're gonNA try to cheat the system that they're going to try to cut corners that they will lie. You see what we have happening in our country right now are two completely different views of Human Nature Democrats and people on the left. They have a resilient view of human nature. They believe that in the state of nature human beings are good and it's the system that's bad that must be torn down. We have a Hobson view of nature, which is a biblical view of humans in the state of nature that absent any system human beings will tear each other apart in a system should make sure that the flawed impulses of human behavior are put in check. We have said for quite a while that voter fraud is real. Democrats, say this is unsubstantiated despite documented pieces of evidence that we will thoroughly go through piece by piece. But breaking right now, project Veritas run by James. O'Keefe. WHO's a terrific guy has released its investigation investigation into suspected ballot harvesting by supporters of Democrat representative Ilan Omar in Minnesota. Now remember Minnesota is in a statistical tie. Minnesota traditionally was Democrat stronghold Minnesota's the only state besides the district of Columbia that went for the Democrats in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four when Ronald Reagan won every single state. Except, MINNESOTA? It's traditionally been a place where Republicans don't even bother contesting despite that now looks like it is in striking distance many Democrat mayors in the state of Minnesota have come out in favor of president trump and many quote is range union leaders have also endorsed the president the last time that Minnesota went red was nineteen, seventy two when Richard Nixon every single state except Massachusetts and Washington DC. Video footage captured by project Veritas shows in operative Lebron Muhammad. Bragging about collecting hundreds of ballots he said quote numbers do not lie numbers do not lie. You can see my car here's full and all of these absentee ballots can't you see look at all these my car is full and quote Muhammed can be heard saying in the video we haven't seen this video this chilling. A whistle blower Omar Jamal called representative Omar's alleged ballot harvesting scheme quote in open secret. They've also discussed alleged cash for votes scheme organized by staffers of England. Omar. Quote She Omar will do anything that she can to get elected and she inland Omar has hundreds of people on the streets doing just that said Jamal So Project Veritas said its investigation found three locations inside ward six, a ballot harvesting triangle where the scheme operates. For wanting further this should anger you. If you are listening to this and you live a normal life you work hard and you play by the rules and you do the right thing and you vote. Your. Vote especially, if you live in Minnesota. Any one of these states with large or centers like Chicago Illinois. They are cheating and destroying your voice. Now this of course is big business for campaign operatives cheating. They exploit the elderly low information voters and newfound immigrant communities that no no different. Alan Omar, of course, lives. One of those heavily populated immigrant communities filled with mostly Somali immigrants. Now, such activity as being bragged about in the video is punishable by up to two years in prison, and in this case fifty to USC one zero, three, zero seven, it's punishable up to ten thousand dollars in fines and five years in prison. Now, the Minnesota Statute prohibits paying a person or receiving a person. To Register to vote or to vote. It is a state felony punishable by another one year in prison. President trump is calling on the US Attorney's to launch an investigation. He said quote this is totally illegal hope that the US Attorney Minnesota has this and other of her many misdeeds under serious review if not, why not we will win a sort of because of her and law enforcement saved Minneapolis Iron Arrange. The BREITBART story says quote project. Veritas has released the results of investigation into alleged about harvesting scheme by supporters. Villa, Omar in Minnesota State in two thousand and twenty presidential election. Californians. Remember. What happened in Orange County? Democrats in. California. Quietly passed legislation in two thousand, sixteen allowing ballot harvesting. Governor Jerry Brown signed the changes in a B. One, nine, two, one into law two years ago. And barely anyone noticed. This is a prime example of how the left often wants it. They're always scheming how they can get more power. Cheating is part of their life. They move the goalposts they defy conventional rules and norms are just ignore the laws. In this case, quietly changing them and as a result California seven of its fourteen Republican House seats in the two thousand eighteen election cycle. Ballot harvesting is still illegal in most states in Texas. New. York and Pennsylvania, they arrest for ballot harvesting orange. County. turned all blue after Democrats hundreds of thousands of votes post, Election Day. Republicans such as Mimi Walters Dana Rohrabacher and young Kim were all ahead on election night and young Kim even went the freshman orientation only to lose their races after late ballots counted the amount of mail in ballots counted and Orange County were unprecedented and overwhelming two, hundred, fifty, thousand ballots. Were produced in Orange County as a result of the quote new ballot harvesting law. For example, a Democrat TJ Cox overtook Republican Congressman David Vodka Lotto in California's twenty first district who is up six percent on election night, and then he lost. TJ Cox the Democrat won three weeks later. So the media seems very invested in trying to continue to throw smokescreen so that we do not talk about this issue of ballot harvesting. Or voter fraud. Democrats try to say that Donald Trump and Republicans and conservatives are de legitimizing the integrity of our elections. Well now, we have video thanks the project Veritas of a criminal vote collecting scheme happening in a battleground state where there is cash for ballots. And the question should also be wise. The activist media not doing any of this investigation, the answers easy. They have deployed all of their infantry. They have given marching orders to go after every single trump supporter of significance that has any sort of following or any member of the trump family or the president. The Democrats know this. This is why they believe they can get away with it and it's only thanks to James. O'Keefe from Project Veritas who actually does investigative grassroots journalism that this is discovered. One person one vote. That's what the greatest political document ever written. Allows in this country. But if the Democrats continue to go on confronted, they will collect ballots. Some might fill them in themselves. Still throw away ballots that they don't like and we have numerous. Of this. 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It's a grassroots movement and an easy decision that you make today, grab your mobile phone dial pound two fifty and say Charlie, Kirk, when you do, you'll save fifty percent off your first month ow pound two fifty and say the Keyword Charlie Kirk peer talk simply smarter. Wireless. Voter, fraud is real. Did you know that a mail carrier was just charged with attempted election fraud after changing party affiliations on mail in ballots The activists media. Does out, of their way. To not cover these stories so we must. This is a real bombshell story that we've been talking about not with the New York Times is trying to tell you to be angry about. We're going to dive into the actual instances of voter fraud happening in our country, and we must continue to raise our voices quite honestly until the consequences come for these criminals. James O'Keefe the founder and CEO of Project Veritas. said it best quote ballot harvesting is real and it has become a big business. Our investigation into this ballad harvesting ring demonstrates clearly how these unscrupulous yars exploit the elderly immigrant communities and have turned the sacred ballot box into commodities trading desk O'Keefe said quote we are showing Americans what is really going on in one of our great cities? However it is not me saying we've the operatives on tape saying it all themselves. The activist media has always turned a blind die when it comes to ballot harvesting and voter-registration fraud the West Virginia Election Fraud Task Force led by Assistant United, states attorneys from both the northern and southern districts of West. Virginia special agents from the F. B. I. and investigators from the West. Virginia Secretaries Estates Office are both looking into widespread voter fraud in their states? Did you know that the office of special counsel determined that the US Postal Service Brooke Federal Law by allowing its workers to boost the Clinton campaign? Mrs. How Orange County California flipped from red to blue. A Texas man was indicted by a grand jury for harvesting mail in ballots from the elderly illegally altering the ballots and voting. Hundreds of Texans, potentially had their votes stolen because of ballot harvesting and vote by mail. According to Federal Data Twenty eight point four, million mail in ballots have gone missing since two, thousand twelve. At worst that's twenty eight point four million opportunities for voter fraud at best. That's twenty point four million Americans that have been disenfranchised from realclearpolitics mind you. In fact, a bipartisan commission led in part by former Democrat President Jimmy Carter concluded that mail in ballots are quote the largest source of potential voter fraud in Pennsylvania military mail in ballots were thrown out interestingly, all of them had trump's name on them in Colorado. The Secretary of State is mailing postcards to dead voters and to non-citizens. In the last forty, one years there have been one, thousand, two, hundred, seventy seven proven instances of voter fraud. This has resulted from one thousand, one, hundred to criminal convictions. Twenty four million voter registrations in the US are either invalid or significantly inaccurate. Nearly, three million people are believed to have received a ballot without requesting one. Three million people. Three million people are also believed to be registered to vote and more than one st in two, hundred, forty, four counties across the country. There are more registered voters than people who are legally eligible to vote. Twenty nine states have counties with more registered voters and legal residents and eight states have more registered voters than actual voting age people. And two in Sixteen California became the first State to legalize ballots solicitation. The collection and delivery ballots by third parties in the first major election in California after about harvesting was made illegal Democrats won every single congressional seat in Orange County. Did you know that fifty three percent of Democrats support granting illegal for nationals in our country the right to vote and eleven states. Currently, allow non-citizen voting of some kind. On election night in two thousand Eighteen California congressional candidate David Valda, auto as I mentioned had a five thousand vote lead over Tj. Cox Networks called the race and Valda Otto's favor but then late ballots from third party harvesters came out of the woodwork and broke. So overwhelmingly for Cox the lost and historically red district. Twenty eight, million mail in ballots went missing in the last four elections in eighty nine year old woman was just shipped eighty-three mail in ballots in California. In two thousand seventeen grand jury indicted a man for allegedly taking a Dallas Woman's blank mail in ballot filling in a candidate's name and delivering it to the county's election apartment. In twenty seven states voter can designate someone else to turn in their ballots. This practice leads to ballot harvesting. For example, the registrar, an Orange County California said quote we reported as eighteen that his office had people dropping off maybe a hundred or two hundred ballots. In Los Angeles there are a hundred thousand inaccurate voter registration records. That regenerated after technical glitch. Look there's a serious problem month. There are heroes have to pay out of pocket to do their job hunting for military first responder. Discounts has historically acquired going from one website to another creating multiple accounts and logging to make purchases and jumping through various hoops to verify your service. 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The integrity of our elections is not the primary concern. Instead, what they care most about is, how do we get closer to power and is very obvious for those of us that believe that human beings are flawed and that we need teach goodness this is something that Dennis prager talks about quite often. That when you have a hundred and twenty million people voting. It's pretty obvious to believe that someone is going to cheat. Someone is going to lie someone is going to blur the lines. However, the left has been saying for many years that voter fraud is a myth. The Hill Dot com has a piece by amber mcreynolds Charles Stuart. says. Let's put the vote by Mail Ballot Fraud Myth to rest. The New Yorker has the Voter Fraud Myth the myth of voter fraud at the Brennan Center of Justice Extensive Research reveals that fraud is very rare yet repeated false allegations of fraud can make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in elections. So, it's even worse. It's not just that the left ignores the fraud that is happening the documented piece of evidence, and we have even more to detail and share with you. It's that they say it doesn't exist at all whatsoever. In fact, the left is. Adamant In trying to convince you. In orwellian. DASS sliding exercise that not only is it not happening but if you believe it, you're a liar we've talked about this many times on the show. This is an alien technique. Of course, George Orwell who wrote Nineteen eighty-four, an animal farm that it's not just a lie. It's the opposite of the truth. When you allow this to go unchecked when the evidence is so clear that of course, there's voter fraud in our country. Think we all know how that plays out. The system. The voting rolls system inaccurately enrolled so many voters vote by mail and fifteen hundred non-citizens were allowed to vote a few months ago. The Department of Justice announced an elections judge in Pennsylvania admitted to plead guilty to accepting bribes to stuffed ballots. Did you know that mail in ballots from South Carolina somehow ended up in Maryland? According to Hennepin County Prosecutors, they charge a twenty two year old. Minneapolis man. With thirteen felony counts of voter fraud. Abdul Hakim Amine. Esa. Allegedly helped thirteen people fraudulently cast absentee ballots in two thousand eighteen. The charges filed say that he told officials he was working for a campaign. Interestingly. This was inland Omar district. The very same district were James. O'Keefe. Has the bombshell revelation that there is a cash for ballots scheme happening in the streets in Minneapolis. United States postal mail carrier was just recently arrested and charged with attempted election fraud. The office of Special Counsel has determined that the US Postal Service broke federal law by allowing its workers to boost the Clinton campaign as previously mentioned. Mail. In ballots have increased the chain of custody of balloting and thus increases the incidence of fraud. So we are seeing more and more fraud because we are seeing more ballots go out. And just today out of Virginia. Nearly fourteen hundred Virginia voters got to ballots in the mail. What's to say they won't submit both of them. WHO's overseeing that? The Democrats. Know they cannot win a fair and free election. So they need to change the rules of engagement to try to get them closer to power. What is most disappointing is how reluctant certain Republicans are to engage on this issue the president has engaged on this issue and he'll be rewarded because of that finding fair and free elections is a moral cause one person, one vote and any one of us that understands the landscape of how things work in our country. We know that if you have a hundred twenty, million people doing anything, you have to factor in negligence and fraud. So President Donald Trump. This morning tweeted out quote the ballots are being returned to states cannot be accurately counted. Many things are already going on. Twitter however flagged this tweet and said, learn how voting by mail is safe and secure. Despite the fact that we have gone through the list of US mail carriers were arrested and charged with attempted election. The office of Special Counsel Determined that the US Postal Service broke federal law to boost workers. In the Clinton campaign they just found ballots Pennsylvania which voted for president trump were all in the trash can go on and on and on. So, why is it? That some silicon. Valley Dork. Has the power to tell you what is true and not true about voting by mail. This goes to a deeper point that we have talked about quite often with Dennis. Prager? And with many others on the Charlie Kirk show as well, which is the information flow in this country. The conduit for communication is far too concentrated on a series of social media tech companies that have total and complete contempt for our value system and for our country, and so it's president trump rightly is pointing out that voting by mail has lots of questions around twitter comes and is censoring and fact checking him in real time. A deeper and much more important challenge for the conservative movement is how are we going to handle these tech companies that work as pseudo governments in our own country? I believe it's long past time to strip them of their section to thirty immunity. And yes. Even break up some of these companies for their behavior of meddling into our elections, bragging about how much power that they wield such as Google post two thousand sixteen where they said, they're never gonNA allow another populist revolt to happen again in our country and as we have evidence now in Minneapolis thanks to James O'Keefe in Minnesota, which is the typical tie and president trump could win the states. This new video footage captured by project Veritas showed someone bragging about breaking the law illegally collecting hundreds of ballots for cash. A whistle blower Omar Jamal, he called representatives, Omar's ballot stink scheme an open secret we know this is happening. The question is, what are we going to do about it? Well. First of all, what can you do about it? Every person listening to this? Right, now means to go become an election judge. You do go volunteer right now and be involved in the transparency integrity project of how our ballots are counted. It's critical. I can tell you right now that the Democrats and the left they're can do everything possibly can to steal this election from us. We have evidence of this. As previously mentioned Hennepin County prosecutors just tried to twenty two year. Old Minneapolis Man with thirteen felony accounts of voter fraud. Mail in ballot from South Carolina somehow ended up in Maryland and a few months ago as previously mentioned the Department of Justice announced an election judge in Pennsylvania admitted to end pled guilty to accepting bribes to stuffed ballots. It is very obvious to us that Democrats have cheated in the past and they will cheat again. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, Richard Nixon was running against John Fitzgerald. Kennedy for the. Presidency. was a very tight election. All came down to the state of Illinois and in his well documented by independent historians that JFK with his father Joseph p Kennedy stole the election with the help of mayor. Daley this is well known. It's well documented. Our elections have had voter fraud in the past and they will have voter fraud in the future we're having voter fraud happening right now why are the Democrats so reluctant to have voter ID? Why are they almost obsessed with having vote by mail? The main reason of course, is that the current system of how we count ballots and vote bothers them. Do you know the two states that have total vote by mail Colorado and Oregon are now becoming the most liberal states in the entire country if you're listening to this and Portland or somewhere in Oregon God bless you. But if you're not, you probably don't know that organ. If you show up somewhere on election day, they do not have polling places in Oregon. They have vote by mail they send you a ballot to every registered voter and Oregon they'll send it to a rock. They'll send it to a frog Senate to a dog for many of us in states that have decent elections and practices. 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WHO preys on the vulnerable because Joe Biden is vulnerable. Joe Biden is mentally incapacitated and is not. And should not become present united. States is not able to he doesn't even understand what's going on. And they're going to drug them up for debate president trump has rightly called for a drug test Joe Biden has denied. Joe. Biden is getting his rest today. He's doing no events at all. And those are the three things that president trump must do. He must clear the record for the virus. must ask questions and be ready for the. Short. Circuit. That is president trump will win the debates. Thank you guys so much for listening. If you want to get involved turning point USA again, it's Teepee USA dot com email is freedom at trauma Kirk Dot com, and right as the debate is over tune into us on facebook and Youtube, we'll have instant debate analysis. Thank you guys so much for listening. God bless you. 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The Raisin Cartels - Gambling the Future | 3

Business Wars

25:45 min | 1 year ago

The Raisin Cartels - Gambling the Future | 3

"Business wars is brought to you by the capital one walmart rewards card earn five percent back at Walmart online to percents Walmart in-store restaurants and travel and one percent everywhere else when you want all that you need the capital one Walmart rewards card. What's in your wallet terms in exclusions apply? It's an early Tuesday morning in November. Two thousand eighteen and Kalem barbarian is waiting for his order in a coffee shop in downtown Fresno California. It's been a month since Sun made. CEO Harry overly refuse to accept the raisin bargaining associations asking price for raisins barbarian was sure overly was bluffing and would return to the table. So far overly shows no sign of conceding. Negotiations have essentially stopped and Brazilian. Isn't sleeping well. I have the double expresso for Kalem across the room. A man's head shoots up at Kayla's name. He quickly gets up from his table and strides to the counter. Where are Syrian? Syrian is picking up his order. Kalem high I own a small farm over in Selma I just wanted to say. Thank you for everything you're doing. For independent farmers emerged and standing up for us against Sun made thanks. I'm doing my best. I know you are I. I heard some rumors that Harry overly was learning learning the cost of not negotiating with the RB. Yeah I heard about that too. But you know threats violence that's how things go and raisin land and. It's been that way for a long time. Someone can't handle that well. Maybe they don't belong here. More Syrian shakes the man's hand and heads out of the coffee shop. Feeling the pressure more than ever. He can't let down. The farmers represents twenty miles away. Harry Harry overly is at Sun made headquarters meeting with their head of security. He hasn't been sleeping. Well either. I want round the clock security with special attention. Engine on the barrels of unprocessed raisins. They're vulnerable to fire flooding. I don't know what these people are capable of. You got it boss for the record. We don't have have any proof. That Kalem is behind these threats. I'm not saying Kalem is doing anything personally. Christ the man is eighty years old. What does everyone say about the raising industry and runs on gossip right? Kalem knows who sending the threats and he not stopping them in my book. That's not how you do. Business overly seeds Kalem barbarian is grossly. Underestimating overlays resolve. If he thinks he's going to back down as the animosity city between barbarian and overly grows so does the question of whether raisin farmers will stick with the RB A or choose a new direction with Harry overly overly the time for choice is looming. The two men are about to face off. In front of the entire industry forcing the farmers is to make a decision that will shape the raisin industry for years to come support support for business wars comes from capital one with a spark cashcard from capital one. You earn unlimited two percent cash back on all of your business purchases think about it unlimited two percent cashback on everything you buy for your business and that cash back can add up to thousands of dollars which you can reinvest back into your business so you can keep growing. Imagine what unlimited two percent cashback could do for your business learn more at capital one dot com. What's in your wallet from wondering I'm David Brown and this is business wards In on our last episode son made a bended the normal way of doing business by rejecting the RB as price for raisins and refusing using to buy from the group's farmers it was an unexpected blow to the RBA and its venerable leader Kalem Barbarian. Who was brought in specifically you to push the packers including some made to pay more to farmers? Tensions between overly and barbarian escalated quickly months earlier earlier. Both men agreed to be on a panel about the state of the raisin industry at the annual great nut Intrigue Fruit Expo in California's Central Valley. And now what's usually a adult. If informative discussion you shaping up to be one of the most anticipated events of the expo. This is episode three gambling. The future it's November thirteenth two thousand eighteen and two son made executive stride into the industrial education building on the Fresno fairgrounds. They stopped short just inside had the doorway. They're here for one of the industry's most important. Annual events this showdown between Barcelona and overly could determine which path raisin growers growers will take. The room is filled to capacity with well over five hundred people. Seated at rows of folding tables covered in plastic tablecloths is there chatter echoes loudly off the concrete floors and high ceilings. The Sun made exempts scan the room of the several hundred. The people in the room there are only a handful. The executives recognize as being with Sun made everyone else is an independent grower aligned aligned with the the two men look at each other not exactly a friendly crowd. That's for sure these are the WHO's who of independent growers growers on the bright side of Harry can win these folks over. I guess he can win. Over any farmer as if on cue a farmer approaches them a furious look on his face. Ace your despicable. Hundreds of farmers are going to go out of business because some made won't pay a fair price one of the executives holds up his hands motioning for the man to calm down Sir Sir. I understand your frustration but I assure you we're not trying to cheat anyone out of a fair price. The other exact chimes in lucky in just a few minutes Harry over. He's going to speak. Okay just listen to him. He's going to explain what we're thinking. It might hurt in the short term but lowering. The price of raisins is going to be better for everyone in the long term. The former looks between the two men is if he can't believe what they just said. After a beat he cocks his head back and launches a large gob of spit at the executives. It lands right at their feet narrowly missing their shiny leather shoes. Greedy greedy bastards executives. Watch him walk away. Harry needs to hit a home run on that stage not far away. Makeshift Green Room. Harry overly and Kalem barbarian wait to go on. Stage overly eat crackers chewing loudly in the otherwise lies silent room. More Syrian sits with his arms crossed staring in the opposite direction. Neither man says a word the tension in the room is palpable. The moderator of the panel walks in. He's well aware of the conflict between overly Inbar Syrian. He's anxious about controlling the crowd Out and keeping the conversation productive between the two men. He covers his nervousness with faults. Cheer grinning widely as he claps his hands together. Okay Gentlemen. We'll be going on in just a few minutes. I know you're both probably nervous. Neither overly barbarian acknowledges this point they both stare at the moderator waiting for him to continue well anyway. I know this isn't where either of you would like to be right now and I appreciate you both still showed up. I know this this may be painful but it is also necessary to have this discussion. It's like eating your vegetables right. The moderator grins pleased with his analogy but overly Inbar Syrian area remain stone faced. Okay gentlemen they're ready for us. The man head out to face the crowd and each other there as soon as overly Inbar Syrian step onto the stage. The crowd goes quiet. This is the moment they've all been waiting for overly in barbarian take their seats on. The stage are Syrian. Scans the crowd. He knows most to the farmers in this room. Heck he knew most of their parents he feels a swell of confidence. These these are his people they have is back back next to overly reviews his note cards with his talking points. His points are good his reasoning solid and that gives them a sense of confidence overly figures. He'll be able to win over the farmers once they hear his ideas the moderator steps up to the microphone. The men sitting right behind me need no introduction. I know you're all eager to hear what they have to say. So let's get right to it. Mr Barbarian would you please come to the podium and give us your thoughts on the state of the raising industry Syrian steps to the podium and looks out into the crown friends fellow farmers. You don't need me to tell you the state of the raisin industry. You know how hard it is to make make ends meet how much it costs to pay for the Labor to pick your grapes. How hard it is to get access to water? We have fifty percent less acreage devoted to growing raisins today than we did in the year. Two thousand now if we want there to be a California raisin industry in the future if we don't want to seed the market to Turkey Chili Iran is Becka Stanton name a few competitors then we need to make growing owing raisins financially feasible for people right here in California so i WanNa thank the farmers and the packers who've committed to the Arba this year here you are doing. Your part for the future of California races are Syrian pauses and turns to direct his next comments to overly. Everyone in. This room knows that the price the RBI set for raisins. This year is the highest. We've ever had now. We're not doing that to be greedy. Eighty we do it so farmers can afford to keep growing raises very sits down basket cheers the moderator steps. Back up to the podium. Thank you Mr Bar Syrian. Mr Overly. You were turned over. They slowly stands up up and walks to the microphone overly waits for the noise to subside. His face unreadable. Thank you Mr Malcolm for having having me and thank you to everyone here for listening. Look I know I'm the new guy here. In many of you are part of families who have been in raising farming coming for generations. You have no reason to trust me but sometimes being the new guy allows you to have a new perspective. You know to see things. People who have been immersed in an industry can well let me tell you what I see. I see a great product that is not getting the attention it deserves in the marketplace overly removes the microphone from the stand and begins to pace the stage his boyish energy surges through him. I firmly believe the California raisins are the best raisins in the world but consumers have forgotten about them and just try finding them in the grocery store. You just try why they're buried in the baking. I'll we should be in the checkout line near the Gum and candy. The farmers in the crowd exchange looks. This guy's making sense in the back. The Sun made exempts give each other sly grins. It's too early to tell if overly hit a home run but it hasn't struck out back. onstage overly continues with all due respect to the people in this room for too long the leaders of the Raisin in industry have been too focused on the short term farmers in packers independence and sun made of all been fighting over the same piece of the Pie. I don't want to fight over one piece of Pie. I WanNa make that pie bigger. I want to stop fighting. I want unite to innovate and advertise. I I want to make consumers excited about raisins again. And we can't do that if we keep raising prices. High overly really now turns directly to address Syrian. When I asked for a lower price for raisins Sir I'm not trying to hurt raisin farmers I'm trying I just saved them? He turns to face the crowd again. Thank you for listening. He replaces the microphone and sit back down. The Room is quiet. There are no claps cheers. No booze no hisses silence after a moment the moderator returns to the microphone. Thank you both for your passion and commitment to the raisin industry. Now we're going to turn it over to the audience. I'm sure you have questions and comments for our two speakers. An old man slowly stands ends up. I have something I'd like to say. He pauses gatherings thought and for the first time that day overly and barbarian make eye contact checked. Neither of them knows what he's going to say whose side he's going to take really stand by the RV and fight for the higher price. Or will he break with them and buy into over his vision for the raisin industry. His reaction could tip the room one way or the other and that that will determine the future of California raisins business wars is sponsored by fastly fast lease edge cloud platform that powers. Today's best brand so their websites and APPS are faster safer and way more scalable. That's not not an easy thing to pull off. 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That's become a part of television history and it's the first time at the first thirty seasons have been available to stream completely ad free. That's six hundred sixty one episodes of the simpsons adv free. You have a favorite episode. You can watch it anywhere anytime. WanNa relive the nine head back to Homerpalooza Disney plus has that episode. You WanNa Watch the episode owed March versus the monorail will that's here to the episode where homer jumps the Springfield. Gorge you BETCHA. All these iconic moments are now available on Disney plus plus in the US so get excited because you can stream the first thirty seasons of the simpsons and so much more right now when you subscribe to Disney plus Everyone in the audience stares at one old man waiting for him to speak onstage overly and barbarian or on pins ends in needles. Finally the man opens his mouth basin farmer for a long time in my father author was a farmer before me. We've never been son made people. We resisted the night riders and State Independent. Even when that wasn't easy but I think a lot of what Mr overly said makes sense. He pauses and looks barbarian. Right in the eye Kalem. You don't have a plan. It's like the seal is broken. The crowd rushes to agree with him. More and more farmers stand up and voice their support for overly vision up on stage overly beams next to him barbarian puts on a brave face but he seems to shrink moments ago. He was commanding the stage but now now he looks like a tired old man. The took almost fifty years. The Sun made is back on top in regime land five months later in April twentieth. Nineteen Harry overly is rushing around his office his flight to DC relieves in three hours and he needs to head to the airport asap. He's leading a delegation to update agricultural officials on the state of raisins command and a marketing execs in holding mockups for the packaging of revamped yogurt. Covered raisins the companies planning on launching. In September they're designed to complement the sour our raisin snacks. They released last month with a goal of one. Hundred million dollars in growth over four years overly is committed to trying out a lot of new products and seeing in what connects with millennial. Consumer's overly knows a lot of millennials. Think raisins with disdain. But he's hoping that these new products will show raisins in the New Light. I know you're leaving DC. But I wanted to run these designed pasture real quick he lays them out on overly desk overly studies designs all right. Let's make the whole fruit really pop here where it says made with whole fruit. I wanted really really big. That's our whole selling point okay. This is an indulgence. One you don't have to feel guilty about got it well have a great time in DC. Thanks overly grabs his coat in his suitcase and heads to his car. Despite helping to organize this. DC trip and having made many similar such trips over the years Kalem barbarian is not going instead he staying staying home. It is vineyard in Arizona. He's been spending more time there recently although technically still the CEO of the RB A he's taking more of a backseat backseat role across town. RBI Chairman Dwayne Cardoza has just gotten a disturbing phone call. He paces his office trying to figure out what to do. Members have the option to leave the Arba every year. Car does not sure how many people will stay in the group. If it doesn't have a sizable percentage of the independent raisin growers the RBA loses its leverage to negotiate a better price in January hoping to boosts their numbers they launched a membership drive offering a bonus of ten dollars per tonne to every farmer who signs up a new member but Cardoza has just found out. They have a bigger problem. He knows who he needs to call. caitlyn barbarians speaking Kalem. Dwayne I just got a call from a farmer. He didn't want to say which but he said a field representative from packer threatened him and told him he needed to withdraw from the RBI if he wanted to sell his raisins this year. What do you think we should do? Kalem Blanche's he wasn't alive for the night riders. Here's but he heard the stories. Things have escalated to that point yet but well this sounds too close for comfort. Not much you can do really issue a statement remind growers. This kind of intimidation is illegal. Under California Law and urged people to keep reporting Cardoza size banks. Banks will do that the RBI issues the statement and then another urging raisin growers to stick together to stay united. But it's unclear if they're listening today. The raisin market continues to struggle in August Twenty Nineteen Congressman Congressman. TJ Cox and Jim Acosta Represent Fresno successfully urged the federal government to purchase fifteen million dollars worth of raisins to distribute through through nutrition. Assistance programs in their letter to the Secretary of Agriculture Congressman. Noted that farmers were hurting in part because they were caught up in the trade war between the White House in China the tariff. TIFF had a similar effect on exports elsewhere with raising exports falling overly goal of making raisins appeal appeal to millennials has become urging the state of the raisin. Industry is still in flux. The power is back in Sun. Maid's hands and now overly early in Sun made are about to take a gamble. They believe sales are shrinking because millennials have just forgotten about reasons and not because they still disdain the snack snack us two toss from their lunchboxes overly is betting that with a good advertising campaign. They can win them over. Trouble is farmers. I don't have time to find out it's fall. Twenty Nineteen Janice Eskandar Aryan watches as a tractor tears out the gnarled trunks of the grapevines she brushes away a tear hoping no one notices. She she knows this is the right thing to do. It's take out the vines or lose the farm. She no longer has the luxury of time to see. If over Lee's plan will work in the long-run she has to do this. But she can't help feeling like she's failing her family and her heritage. Her grandfather's grandfather's family planted these vines in part to maintain a connection with their Armenian homeland after they were forced to flee. She is the one one who couldn't make it work tomorrow. She'll plant almond trees. That's where the money is these days from wondering this soon is business ward. Hope you enjoyed this series. Please subscribe on Apple podcasts. spotify Google podcasts. STITCHER IHEART radio. Wherever you listen to podcasts? You'll find a link on the episode notes. Just tapper swipe over the cover art and you'll see some off roofs from our sponsors two. We hope you'll support our show by supporting them. 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Can Orange County Remain Blue?

It's All Political

22:34 min | 1 year ago

Can Orange County Remain Blue?

"Hi I'm Greg Thomas host of the wild West podcast tune in for personal interviews with the world's top. Rock climbers surfers skiers ultra runners. And much more. If you like getting outside exploring you'll dig wild west. Find it wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to it's all political colle. San Francisco Chronicle is political podcasts. I'm Joe Gear fully the chronicle senior political writer and today on the podcast we're in Orange County which once again it will be a political hot spot. My guest today is Jason Berlin. Now unlike a lot of people calling the podcast. He isn't a household name listed political circles for two decades he was a writer and producer on TV reality series like wipeout and the great airplane Repo but after president trump was elected. The Lifelong Democrat felt like he needed to get more involved in politics so he started registering voters. Now's longtime listeners. Know whenever I go on the road like to go out with folks whether they'd be Republicans or Democrats independence and canvas voters door to door or whatever. Jason is one of the best. I've ever seen it doing stuff. He started an organization called field team. Six six and they're registered over fifteen thousand voters and now they've got a bunch of chapters and more than a half dozen bow around states. I want you to hear his perspective about about not. Only what's going on in Orange County but what it's like hearing the unvarnished opinions of voters on the ground across the country. And now. Here's here's my conversation with Jason Berlin Jason Berlin. Welcome to it's all political. Thank you very much all right where we are at the on the campus campus of Saddleback College here in Orange County and missing mission bail. And you were just Registering voters with the possibly you and the person you're with Rebecca numbered I to the greatest canvassers. I've ever seen the most I think aggressive because you're not aggressive but you're very let's table sitters is use like this and so anyways abacus mission focus yes yes the So what I wanted to talk about is The energy level here in Orange County Because two years ago I wrote the story about when Democrats started focusing on Orange County and I you know the for brief moment in time. Orange County is the center of the Political Universe Universe. which is you know cheap? Laugh line but it turned out to be true and Democrats flip the four congressional seats here. there are now more Democrats in Orange County right than Republicans and a lot of it was based on And it was because of grassroots efforts like the kind near doing with your group Feel team six before we get there. We got to go back to talk about how you got into this canvassing business. You were a TV writer for years. Here's give us some of the stuff that you worked. Yes I yeah it was a TV writer for eighteen years and worked on mainly comedy and reality too too much reality not enough comedy. Give some of the some of the. You're not shark NATO. But what was the shark shark. Tackle preview special shocker ally Ross and you'll lose the the the show the the reality show where people you know. Fat People follow the obstacle. COURSE RAY EH out bipedal falling down the show. Yes Europe would. Would you brought the ship for the with a host for that. Yeah Yeah yeah the to counter because due to commentators who do Joe Joe through print our that was a and four other writers four right yeah writers five writers on this technically non scripted. Show we figured out. At one point we did the calculations and we. We realized we had less room in our writer's room less personal space than in jail jail and yeah so so I did that for. Eighteen years also worked for such hits as Airplane Repo. WAIT AIRPLANE REPO report. It's about guys who are rich enough to buy a plane But but not rich enough or Not Not not good hearted enough to actually pay for the lease so it's repossessed Po. The planes yeah you got to and Yeah that was need to explore the CA- the cable dial a little little more extensively. I missed that one. That's okay you're GONNA be so so so then but you. You've always been a political not necessarily politically active. What what turns you into starting this Organization of field team six? But so what sort of off political activation right right. Well I always you know. was politically aware and loved the West Wing in fantasized about getting into politics in some way didn't know how that would work and And then trump got elected and that I needed to change my life. What was it about him getting elected because a lot of people say that but what specifically hit you about that about about his him being becoming the president yeah it it it just it broke my heart and mind because instead of getting our first female president we we got the biggest misogynist in the world as president and a man who has Neither learning nor any curiosity nor any empathy for any other living human being and You know I'm related to some women you know my Mama's woman and you know You have your family's African Americans that's right and You know I have a lot of friends who are gay or You know and some friends who are undocumented and this means All of them kind of terror. And you know it's just a he empowered all the beliefs and sexual predators and Racists yes and homophobes and Islamophobes across the country and there are very few periods in history that are black and white. There's almost almost. It's almost always many shades of grey. This was so black and white that I needed to you know after the initial period of you know the coma of good morning. It's think about two months for me and he had to do something so I threw myself into volunteering with swing left and learned that there was is such a thing as organizing and that basically I could channel might trump rage into positive conversations with strangers and make a difference and that that equation changed my life and so you started registering people. You'd come to Orange County for people in the bay area. The were most core listeners. There's probably are are Whether we go to the Central Valley but here in L. A. When you're liberal dude from L. A.. You go to Orange County because that was the place. Two years ago that was represented by our Republicans the home of Reagan conservatism. And but thanks to to act like yourself that change what was the and now about so. You've registered your organization. We start started. This organization called team six which eight which is very cool logo. Thank we will. We will post that on the site. Eagle clipboard eagle with a clipboard. Yes and you've registered fifteen fifteen thousand voters and you're now in seven states that's right. Yup we can. I listen breath yes. The goal is to be in eleven crucial battlegrounds as soon as possible. Hopefully by the end of the year so we can mount a credible voter registration effort and all of them By November twenty twenty twenty but yes so far we are in besides California we are in Arizona Maine Pennsylvania Colorado Florida North Carolina. China said seven to get him. I I have my fingers out county. I'll take your word for that would and so let's like what the what do you notice here like. There was such urgency two years ago. We gotta get you know trump out or we have to flip the house etcetera etcetera. But you know as you know as a as a longtime TV guy it's always harder doing the sequel What do you notice in the difference in the energy level now as then then well it definitely ebbs and flows and their Has Been You know since since Since after just after midterms There's definitely been. We've been and EBB tide of volunteer enthusiasm So because it took an incredible amount of effort to win the midterms and California turned in seven congressional districts. We flipped seven. Blew out of the twenty three. We needed to flip the house and nationwide. We got forty. We've turned forty district's blue With most Democrats swept into the office in a midterm since just after Watergate tellingly and so people understandably were exhausted and some felt like okay. Okay we did our job in California time to relax for a year or so However I do have to say that our volunteer corps which by the way seventy two one hundred percent women depending on the day just to give credit where it's due really the resistance? Is All women here today with us today. Yes and seven women right. Today was one hundred percent besides meals and I'm pretty feminine sometimes another podcast but but it's not just California either. Here's across the country. It's mainly women absolutely but so so among our volunteers they they are hardcore. They're amazing they're my heroes and Really there was just a slight flagging of Of enthusiasm the said saying the beginning of the year as we're getting as we're spooling coming up but Now that now that we're in November people have stepped up in a huge way in what's driving them. Now what's what's it's getting people back on the streets here Well when people do this they see how not only effective it is but empowering and and deeply satisfying to make connections with people register them. Turn their voices into votes registering about seventy five percent young people people of Color Women and the rising American electorate who need to be empowered. And that's that's mostly who was registering here today on campus right. Yeah you can see that. And and and so people know besides how satisfying this is as native people. Also understand that like you know amazing A Hero Rep. Kharas said about ten months ago. She said all these districts that we won in the midterms we're renting them and we WANNA rent own on you know but we won't own them until we won them two or three times maybe never but at least right now we're renting them and Republicans are GonNa be gunning for every single one of these districts in California in fact those are are there official targets now so we need to be defending Mike Levin right here in the forty-ninth Katie Porter in the forty Fifth Harley Rueda in the forty eighth llosa's narrows thirty ninth and probably Christy Smith and the twenty-fifth we're gonNA see which you know which which Democrat emerges also TJ Cox for sure and Bakersfield and Josh harder I got them all. Wow that was winning in climbed up into the valley there. We're also trying to pick up a few more Working out for more including Dunkin Sixty Felony Count Hunter Drake and district Republicans are pretty confident. He will be reelected amazing. Yes in the. That's an amazing thing up. I mean if he doesn't go to jail I another bus. That might be the only thing that could stop them from being elected. We'll be right back to my conversation with Jason Berlin after a short break. Look we all love the outdoors. But how much do we really. I love the outdoors. Probably not as much kit delory. The first person in the world to ski off the top of the highest mountains on every continent. She's one of the recent guests on the wild west. podcast cast where I chronicle editor Greg. Thomas Interview outdoor athletes and luminaries about their lives. And what they do to stay sane through it all. Don't WanNa ever not feel free and when I'm in the mountains I feel totally free. Check it out wherever you get your podcast wild west. And here's more of my conversation conversation with Jason Berlin. So want to someone to talk to you. I canvas all over the country when I break whenever we go out and reporting trips because you get to see unvarnished or here unvarnished opinions from voters and plus you get to You get to talk with a wide variety of people and I got us have never seen A folks as I was listening to earlier like you and like Rebecca who your exuberance is over the charts but it's a philosophical philosophical difference with how you canvas explain what it is. You're not a random quote table center you don't sit there and Bina table and say hey one vote so would I explain your philosophy awesome. Yeah so so. We're an anti table organization. Yeah we don't exactly we don't sit at a table and wait for people to ask us to dance. We walk around with a clipboard in a smile talked everyone we can. Also you know this is. This is voter registration unshackled. We are not a five zero one c three like really every voter registration restauration organization that I know of where five twenty seven. Explain what that means for the for those who don't know the the newest code as well as absolutely five a one. C three is legally bound to be nonpartisan as five twenty seven. We are not so we can have as our slogan as our mission registered. Democrats Save the world. Now everybody nobody do nothing and that is what you say when you approach people with when you go up to people on the on the street here and at Saddleback college what do you say You know we yeah. We don't say are you registered about we say. Excuse me Miss. Can you help save the world from trump or can devote just trying to get rid of trump one voter at a time. You you know one at a time. I enunciate better but is that you have a pretty high success ratio. It's you no we do we do it really. It shows people the steaks and whatever you say no matter no matter what how you're approaching people to to twenty people will ignore you uh or or they'll be registered they'll be international students but they will be lying and say that they're already registered actors as we were talking about earlier. It's not a accounted for. You have to have a certain amount of patients when you do this. You definitely definitely so yeah no matter what you do there will be a lot of most of the people will walk by your sifting through the people. We can't empower to find the ones we can so you know And we do have a much higher success rate than other organizations because we safe things like can you help me. Give trump you know and people people a you know when you find one of people they'll spend on their heels and say. Oh my God give me that. CLIPBOARD I need to sign that. I don't care what it is. Thank God you're here. I'm going nuts with this guy you know and you make a connection and then hopefully you register them as Democrat vote by Mail on the spot but even if you don't you have a conversation and they walk away. Knowing that March third is the primary Mike Levin is the guy they got to vote for or Katie Porter. Yeah exactly and And also the leave knowing that it's okay to be a Democrat in public here and say that we're Democrat that it's okay to care about healthcare and like other people you know and it's okay to not be racist or sexist. It's even okay to believe in science you you know controversial things like that so here on the campus most the folks are registering were registering as nonpartisan. It was interesting to hear the young young people say because it's I some of the people I talk to. Their parents are Republicans number one. And there's several very honest I don't need it they said I don't know much about either party or I don't trust either party or I'm still trying to figure it out myself so awesome. Is that what you're finding typically with younger voters. Yeah we register in general About about eighty six percent Democrat about fourteen percent. No party preference really. Yeah Yeah Yeah today at least watching me. I didn't get get that high. But May we'll see when we tabulate everyone's results together And it does vary from place to place we do need every goodhearted independent independent. We can find you know and you know the word independent to someone who's going to college. Sounds very appealing independent. I make my own choices. No no label all can describe the complexity that is me so we tried to let people know that's fine first of all no judgmental you know no no judgment but but also let them know that you know if they're registered Democrat Doug about it in the mail where they can choose which you know they can vote for which Democrat is going to go up against trump trump. Yeah in the primary. We don't even mention primary. Just let them know you know that they can. They'll be able to choose. And you said something really interesting at gray. GimMe Great Perspective actor for for canvassers Of all types and I know we're entering canvas season is at the turn of the year and Is that You know as as you alluded to earlier you may see twenty people or approach twenty twenty five people over a couple of our shift and think of this not as a basketball score but as a hockey score explain. Explain what you mean by that. It's like yeah so what you land right right. So yeah the scale of success array right when you're out here for a little over two hours If you you if you registered nobody but you talked to twenty people walking by and let them know that March Thursday primary most point election of our lives please Mike Levin Ivo from my keep them in in the house or you know Gillis narrows you know like that's that that's great that's basically you've done canvassing shift so we go to high traffic area and we let the cameras come to us. And that's that's great. You've done a great thing if you register one or two. That's actually what the Party asks of. Its paid people for every shift Three to four super solid five or more your monster real. That's I think that's that's news to people. Yeah and that it's it's so helps to get any context context. They don't come back and say got I only got seven. I feel like a jerk like no. That's amazing it's amazing and And these add up two thousand. They've added up to over fifteen thousand so far and so what. How are you funding this organization you've left left the TV business for now correct? Yes absolutely and so until until shark NATO four comes out. Yeah they need some help What how you funding this? This is being funded added entirely from entirely by private donations of wonderful. You know regular citizens are friends and family and fellow organizers. Is anyone who hears about us or who comes out to register voters with us and we were super lean organization. I'm not super lean personally but the organization is working on it and a third party and and and so we started with zero seed money. We started completely broke and we just kept on pushing the boundaries of broke a little further down the road than they approached and we put them back. I've got a little you know. It's been a struggle from the very beginning. But we're trying since this. This is the number one most direct way to fight trump and the GOP and just change the balance of power in multiple states. This is it's really to me the most worthy effort of funding and we're trying to to to scale up and raise about one point three million dollars. Wow allows so that we could yeah and that that would get us is hired fulltime state field directors and each of the ten most important. Stay closer you to go very far. We're kind of we kinda just getting started but go for two thousand twenty that so go first of all survival money till November twenty twenty and of course we don't want to stop stop our work. Then that's when you get your black belt. The real learning begins. That's ever like you know we wanna take take the White House flip. The Senate go the House and and then just keep going keep defeating Republicans wherever they are you know in house districts and the Senate and hang out the White House all right. Yeah Jason. Thanks so much for being on the cell political appreciate thanks okay. I'd like to thank you all for listening. I'd like to thank Jason for coming on the podcast today. I'd like to thank the king coming King Kong for producing today's episode and remember whether you're registered to vote or not it's all political but just go get registered about. It's all political as part of the San Francisco. Chronicle podcast network Audrey. Audrey Cooper is our editor in chief our music our theme music that we have is cattle. Call that's written by Randy Clark and performed by Randy Clark and Crow Song. If you'd like this show subscribe rate and review it on apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen for more great journalism like this subscribe to the San Francisco. Chronicle at San Francisco Chronicle Dot com slash subscribe. You can find me on twitter at Joe Garagiola thanks.

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Fifth & Mission: Pelosi Pulls the Impeachment Trigger

It's All Political

18:25 min | 1 year ago

Fifth & Mission: Pelosi Pulls the Impeachment Trigger

"I'm Heather Knight host of San Francisco City insider. You'll hear bigwigs in one of the world's most fascinating cities talk about the most important issues including where they get their favorite Burrito Lido that San Francisco city insider welcome to it's all political a very special impeachment in addition. If it's all political I'm Joe Gear fully the chronicle senior political writer and we're GONNA play for you next in addition of fifth and mission the chronicles flagship podcast rice sat down with Metro Editor Damian beloit editorial page editor John Deere's and we break down what just happened with this impeachment impeachment announcement today by Nancy Pelosi and really listen to that right now fifteen mission in which you can subscribe to wherever you get. It's all political. I'm Damian Beloit Metro editor at the San Francisco Chronicle Today on fifth and Mission Speaker Pelosi puts impeachment on the table president trump's call with the Ukrainian president pressing for an investigation into Joe Biden and son has triggered an inquiry that could result in the third impeachment of an American President Senior political writer job Gareth fully and editorial page editor John D. as are here to talk about what happens ends next why Pelosi changed her mind and what it all means for next year's Election Joe Guiraud fully John D. as right after this this week on not your century it's the best of not your century five favorite episodes featuring Rudolf Nuria Albert Einstein and the beach boys in the unabomber not your century. It's like history class but five minutes long and fun all all right Joe. It's five o'clock. PM on Tuesday what is the latest latest is. We're going to see the Democrats in the house moving towards impeachment of the president of the United States thirty one months after the first Democrat called for it now the thing is that the Democrats Democrats are still short of the required number two hundred and eighteen votes to actually impeach president trump there so it's not a sure thing yet okay okay and why now why did Nancy Pelosi today decide that that she should move forward when she spent so hesitant to do that in the past. Why now is is it there's concerns over calls that a call that the president had with the president of the Ukraine president trump had with the president of the Ukraine and what was said on that call. They're trying to find out get a the president is offered to give a transcript of that call the Democrats say no. We don't want the transcript we want to talk to the whistle blower who had concerns about what the president said on that call with the president of Ukraine and White House has not been forthcoming and doing that the policy said okay then that really inspired her to go to finally push the impeachment button in in Joe. Certainly Speaker Pelosi has been getting an awful lot of pressure from the rank and file particularly some of the more progressive young members a WHO has been really agitated for impeachment for quite a while and let's not forget actually the impeachment process has been going forward. They just been very reticent. Reticent Actually Use that I word what some of them use it like. Jerry Nadler does say this is an impeachment hearing but not an impeachment Richmond inquiry which is the recent. You would have an impeachment inquiry. Is it gives you the Democrats hope greater legal. Heft and getting the documents documents that you need and I Damien. I think there are a number of elements of this story this allegation that are different than the Miller report one. Is it happened wall. Donald trump was president. It wasn't involving people around him. I mean to happen. July exactly and actually actually it happened on July the day after the very next day after Muller gave his testimony to Congress in all trump and all his allies were dancing dancing in the end zone say no collusion of -struction was present do he picks up the phone and what one arguably you could say is collusion with a foreign power yeah the allegation is that he he tells them that he would like him to look into Joe Biden and his family in the Ukraine and it's about a week week after from the reporting after he has cut off aid to the to the Ukraine so John it it seems like something that's a little more digestible adjustable for the public perhaps than than the molar inquiry that is absolutely the case because basically you have whether whether president trump said it explicitly or certainly only implicitly that hey we're asking you to look into this Ukraine. President knows that there's hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid that are out there in the ether only to you know if in and he certainly was trying to ingratiate himself to the president at that point. It's kind of like if you if you're going for a promotion or raise with your boss and your boss asks you to do something what's the implied thing. If you want the raise you do it and and in this case if you want the military aid you do it. obviously there's. GonNa be a lot of pushback from Republicans saying there was no quid pro quo but this is as you point out day much different than the molar report whether a lot of figures a lot of people on the on the sidelines. This is the President President of the United States on the phone with a foreign leader right. You don't have the side characters. You don't have the Papadopoulos as you don't have Michael Flynn. You don't have all these other people. Who are it's a it was a hard story story to sell and that's what has? Democrats from a strategic point of view the politics of this more excited because one of the reasons reasons policy was reluctant to move forward with impeachment before was it because it does not poll well in fact most. Americans are not in favor of impeachment. Most most Democrats are in favor of it but you know when you for example in these seven California House districts where Democrats flipped flipped a seat that was held by Republican now. It's pulling at forty percent or less. That's what a a Republican strategist told me today he said. Please please. He's bring on impeachment. That's good for us. That is not a winning issue in these districts where it's going to be close and plus it allows this guy said as as a Republican strategists it allows trump to play the victim card. Look what they're doing to me. This system is rigged. It's rigged against me. It's rigged against you. He says to his supporters. It helps to rally his base so Democrats are anti Republicans are kind of excited about this as we speak Tuesday. You've been you've been talking to them. You've been calling them. You've been calling to Republicans in these well. Democrats in these swing districts right yes in fact we saw one like now three today just change their mind on impeachment three in California Katie Hill from sort of suburban Los Angeles we we have Josh harder from Central Valley and we have TJ Cox from the Central Valley Three people. who were you know when you ask about impeachment? They'd be like you know. We're uh-huh checking them because they don't even want to go near it because of the reasons we just talking about so today. They said you know if we're going to have to investigate this. Let's investigate it. Also Gilson's narrows from Orange County another first term Democrat who's going to be in a tough reelection. Race also is now supporting impeachment. You know I think the politics ticks. This are very precarious in very uncertain we have no. I no idea at this point. Anybody says the they think that does either. GonNa help or hurt the president. I mean who who knows at Nancy Pelosi and we've talked to her up there in the editorial board room where she's basically saying you have to have the American people with you to go forward on. That's something this polarizing will. The American people are not with the Democrats on on impeachment. I don't know that this Ukraine story has that quickly changed the opinion the American people but you know it's just the right thing to do and I think She really had no choice because you can kind of get to the point. Is We make can our editorial were at what point do you say this is okay for the president of the United States to do it almost becomes a politics be down you know at some point you have to do the right thing and take the chance that the right thing is going to is going to vindicate your that the people will the and the and the the Democrats are saying that the democratic strategists. I talked to today saying this well while the previous polls said that Democrats were not in favors you to John of impeachment. I'm there's has been no polling on this. It's so fresh and it is a simpler. They believe it's a simpler story to tell bill than than the the Russia investigation so they're hopeful that this is GonNa be a different story for them but I don't know I think I think there's this is. It's still a hard story to tell. It's going to be a lot of people conflicting this. They're like wait a minute then. Why didn't they already say that trump. Some people didn't unclear this no collusion and I'm confused. Whatever I paying too much for healthcare anyways I wanna ask you guys both a little more about the election but first joe can you kind of just just tell us in basic terms where we go from here and how impeachment works okay well think of Peach Mint as the house will bring bring charges they will endure an investigation to see what happened in this case and if they find that there has been something that the they feel rises to the cry whilst the level of high crimes and misdemeanors which can be pretty much anything. It's a very very broad term. That's the find the constitution they can bring charges news and then they will then there will be a trial on those charges in the Senate and then the Senate votes on that there'd be people from members of the House whacked practice. The attorneys and the president will have attorneys and they'll have a trial this has happened the some of our listeners may remember when Bill Clinton went through this in nineteen ninety eight so the challenge here for Democrats is that the jury is already kind of stacked in favor of Republicans since there are fifty three Republicans Republicans in the Senate and there's forty five Democrats and two independents in in the Senate so for the for the president to be removed from office office the Democrats would have to convince twenty Republicans assuming that everyone as they usually do vote along party lines to join so it's I mean this. Is You know make a big deal about this today but ultimately John. This is a big raw big held a client. I think it's actually an impossible hill to that. I I think for the Democrats really what would would be consequential is not if there's no way they're going to get to sixty seven and get trump removed from office but even if they get if they have a majority of they can get pick off a few republicans like Mitt Romney Senator from Utah talking in terms of If this is what it appears to be that it's what he say serious in the extreme or some kind of gangs short of saying no loss between did not use impeachable teachable but I think that's the key is if you can get some Republicans to come over and they could be very uncomfortable and there will be three three Republicans who will be facing a WHO really don't want this to move to the Senate and those are three Republicans facing reelection in swing States Cory Gardner Senator Cory Gardner in Colorado Senator Susan Collins in Maine and Senator Martha mcsally in Arizona and they are facing very tough reelection battles. They do not not want to have their campaigns dominated by this question when it comes up to that point the early next year one thing that strikes me about this that is so different than the Mola our report is it is so the Mueller investigation this is so fast moving think about like months and months and everybody's trying to figure out what Muller's doing I mean tomorrow. Morrogh the president of the United States has has said he's going to release the transcripts of that Cau- believe it if you will you know first of all whether he does it he's made we've lost like and how complete and accurate that transcript is but even that's not the final word because supposedly the whistle blower has a it's not just one call and the whistleblower supposedly house according to Congressman Adam Schiff has reached out through his attorney that he's is willing to testify before Congress that so here in a very very sharp and possibly even this week according to shift. I think he's director of National Intelligence Bosa succumb before the Senate on Thursday so we're GONNA have a couple of this is the political theater will be at its next kind of what I wanted to get out. I mean Joe John. You're talking talking about where the votes fall but let's putting aside the votes what is getting this on the front burner. What is the discussion. GONNA do for the election next year. I mean that's the calculus that's right. I know I know you and and Joe or young young men doctor. I'm old enough to remember the Watergate hearings where night after night it was on prime time television people were just transfixed with watching these various characters in Watergate. I think the fact that is a formal impeachment inquiry versus Jerry Nadler you know getting some airtime on MSNBC and CNN I think it's going to it can be a lot more public attention and again to the politics could go either way. It could go either way. How so it's it's very possible that this could backfire against the against Democrats could solidify trump's base in terms of Joe Biden I I. I can't believe he's entirely comfortable with the story coming out as it it is because you know almost like Hillary Clinton's emails once you have that for a stigma of a scandal around you. It's Kinda hard to shake off. Even a a lot of people are not gonNa look at the details are just. GonNa take that talking point from Sean Hannity or trump himself when also the the question is going to be like well. Why is your or son Hunter Biden on the on the board of directors and a company in Ukraine and the reason is because his name is hunter by you know the the the the supposition was that the assumption was was that he would provide access to the the PA the quarters of power in Washington that was his job and so yeah. It's a bad story for Biden ultimately. He's like the one of the loop potential losers in this and certainly the you know the New Yorker had extensive handsome piece about Sun and the troubles that he's had. I just don't think this is where Biden wants to go because they're such a public. Exhaustion was scandal. Hello and polarization that I think some voters are potentially going to look at Joe Biden and say. Is this what we're going to have another for years or possibly even eight years years of if this guy is elected so there could be some opportunities for Elizabeth Warren or coma Harris to to rise it binds expense. Yes because it it it says I have been a politician for nearly fifty years and that does not sit well with a lot of people and I being Joe Biden a final word Nancy Pelosi. She represents San Francisco. We've been obviously following her career for years. Where does this put her. She has been trying to kind of strata. Straddle the line and keep her caucus in line. You know where does this. Where does this leave her with that left flank in the of the Democratic Party. That's been so strong well they've certainly been very very critical of her especially AFC and others. I think this whole the way she played this really speaks to the influence that she he has within the Democratic Caucus in in holding this at bay also speaks to her wisdom the fact that she could have jumped into this at any given given time and as Mullah report did not turn out to be the smoking gun at least for the American people although I think there was a lot of damning information there but I think Pelosi really comes out ahead. I think she played this right. I think the jury's out. I think the jury's out on this because you said earlier. We don't know how this is going to reverberate. I mean I think she played it very well to this point to hold it off and you know hold off but you know once the numbers start coming she you know she is the numbers connor she counts the room and I think we won't know so if this paid off or not. This is ultimately a smart move until I mean if she keeps the house was a brilliant move. If trump loses was a good move if trump wins and a issue in part because the blowback on this then it wasn't a good yeah. I checked her wikipedia page a minute ago. Someone has already added it that that she moved for impeachment and it seems like it's going to become a part of her legacy. Oh yeah absolutely oh question either way it goes all right John and Joe thanks so much for for coming in. I appreciate it. 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Mueller says Manafort lied, breached plea deal

All In with Chris Hayes

47:10 min | 2 years ago

Mueller says Manafort lied, breached plea deal

"Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. And there is breaking news tonight in the Russia investigation. Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign, chairman is ending his cooperation with the Muller probe in what sure looks like a last-minute ploy to get pardoned lawyers on motor special counsel team say that Paul Manafort violated the terms of his plea agreement by repeatedly lying to the FBI and special counsel's office in a joint status report, the special counsel and lawyers for Manafort had requested the court schedule sentencing for Manafort manafort's literacy, he believes he has provided truthful information and does not agree with the government's characterization. Joining me now with the latest on this filing. MBC news investigative reporter, Tom winter and NBC news intelligence and national security of KENDALL lenient, Tom this seems like a crazy turn of events. I think if the government is to to be believed here that Manafort lied manafort's committed legal suicide, I mean. He's essentially said here what this document says is that he's lied on a variety of subjects in quitting. Do is plea agreement. Not only does this impact the case that was brought against him in DC. But now in the eastern district of Virginia case, which the count's they were dismissed the jury deadlocked on number of counts going back to that trial in August. The counts that were brought there that would dismissed by the judge dismissed without prejudice. Meaning they can come back in a Cording to manafort's plea agreement. He's admitted his guilt in those crowds. Paul Manafort right now is looking at the possibility that most of his remaining days will be will be looked at from behind bars. It's really incredible to of course, Manafort side disputes it in this filing. But what you're looking at here is they must have strong evidence that he's lot. Let me just say dispute as a little strong their paragraph five in this filing. They say he did not like they see he did not lie. But basically, he tried to the best of his ability to be cooperative that you not affirmatively say that he was answer all the government's questions for you. Affirmatively say that he told them everything he knows correct? As per the plea deal. It's a little bit. I mean, the wording is sort of a little interesting to me. Here's the other thing. This is what the Muller team says can it's just a remarkable sentence. Read after signing. A plea agreement metaphor committed federal crimes by lying. The federal investigation. This special counsel's office variety subject matters, which constitute breaches, the grim. This is I think of counting correctly the third time. They have busted him since they brought charges against. That's right, Chris. And that's why the pardon scenario that you sketched out at the beginning is applause -able scenario, according to legal experts. I've been speaking do tonight. But it's not the only scenario former prosecutors current prosecutors will tell you that it's not unheard of for white collar defendants who enter cooperation agreements to think that they can put one over on the government. I think that they can lie to not tell the whole truth. They've been scamming people all their lives and look pull metaphor was essentially a career criminal these charges that he's pled guilty to and to think that maybe could have gone in and. Told the partial truth, not realizing that Muller knows everything that's one scenario the other scenario as you as you mentioned is that people are wondering whether some message was conveyed to Paul Manafort dangling apart in front of. No, it doesn't make sense if he was going for a pardon he wouldn't have plead guilty and entered a cooperation agreement in the first place. He would have continued to stand trial and the eastern district rather than Washington DC taken his lumps and conveyed to the president. Look, I stood tall for you. So so the pardon thing only makes sense if something was conveyed to him. And let's remember his lawyers would not be monitored. Their conversations are clear from government monitoring and their conversations with Paul Manafort would not be monitored unless the government had evidence that crimes are being committed. So that is a possibility I think it's something that people will want to investigate and to some people. It's the only scenario that makes sense. Because as Tom said he's looking at fifteen years he's admitted to everything he has no defense. He can't withdraw the plea. He's going to prison as it stands. Right. Yeah. And just. To trace what can saying here? This metaphor gets charged. Right. He does this weird thing where he his lawyers. Make sure they don't consolidate the cases, so he's in two different venues, which is weird. Usually you wanna consolidate. I've talked with them about this totally at an effort to say, hey, we hope we think we've got a good shot at judge that might make some rulings in our favor. This judge in DC because the charges were brought their first. Hey, we've got no shot with her. She's not ruling in our favorite all. So they were they were absolutely rolling the legal dykes. They roll the legal, right. Then the guy gets convicted. Yes, you did like on some convicted on a bunch of felony charges that give them a lot of time in Virginia and then in between trial one and two please. And people are looking and saying, do you just you sold the lowest level like your? Like. Plea you could've plead head of time and maybe gotten out of this. But now you've got that you've got both these things down on your show. I mean, that's the problem that he has here. He still has all these Houston district of Virginia charges that are potentially hanging over his head. He's early plead guilty to several charges in DC that will all go to this one thing. That's interesting. Chris I think we're going to get a sense of exactly what he did. Because according to the filing tonight, they say the government says they will file a detailed sentencing submission to the probation department and the court usually we don't get to see that. If it goes directly patient so will share saying we're gonna make public what this guy did it. Sure appears at this point that that'll become public in the other thing is it's not just lies that the defendants crimes and lies. So was there something else that who was doing year? Remember there were charges of witness tampering that he was facing before all this came up before this cooperation, please agreement. So I think there's a lot more questions tonight as far as what Paul manafort's been up. It's a great point Tom and Ken to that final point. Remember, they he was out. He was a guy was out on house arrest. He was wearing to ankle bracelets one for trial. Venue? He was in. And he ends up back in prison because the government said he was attempting to do with this hampering while out on house arrest, this isn't incredibly reckless man. I mean, the evidence at the trial with his tax evasion and paying things with money from foreign Bank accounts show that he was incredibly reckless. He was hiding millions of dollars from the IRS and that witness tampering while he was under indictment which got him thrown in jail shows that he is. The things that he does do not make sense. And that's why it's hard to puzzle through the rationale. He's he's he's stupid. He's reckless. He some combination of the two or his desperate to cover up some set of facts. He does not want to come to light. No matter what the penalty ends up being Tom wintering lenient. Thank you both joining me. Now, don't want banks and Nick Ackerman. Both former assistant Watergate special counsels embassy MSNBC legal analyst, Jill go to. I what is what is your read on this development? I do think that there is something going on about a pardon that maybe there with some contact by the president or some Representative of the president that he would get tired. But I'd like to add one other thing too. What Ken said which is? I think there is a theory that makes this plausible and fences that he would have pled guilty to avoid the cost of trial knowing that he would get pardoned at the end, and that he might be able to get away with lies because he is reckless and era that and that if he could get away with them he might actually be able to help. Nope. Donald Trump by getting away with it. And thank things that might be exculpatory of the president instead of incriminating of the president. So I think that there is a sensible approach that makes it sensible. What do you think that's very plausible? No question about it. Basically that Joe Gill saying he thought he could beat the rap essentially over on the special counsel's office, and essentially kinda double agent pretend to cooperate while not actually witnesses do that to me all the time. And the same thing would happen. I pretend to cooperate. But they were they weren't telling you everything, and you knew they weren't telling you everything, and you know, that Moeller does know everything that's what's so tantalizing because he's basically saying we know you're lying to look what he knows about the Russians. I mean, he was able to detail in to engagement where people were sitting what was on their desks what they were doing it at particular time of day mail that one year you officer sent to his family right shows up in one of them. So you know knows. The same thing on on Manafort. So Manafort is doing I mean, he thinks he can somehow beat this and he's smarter than everybody else. But he's going away to jail for life. That's it. But it's not unusual. Let me say this. It is not unusual for a witness in that position to suddenly get hammered at sentencing and then come around again and start cooperating. That's interesting. And that's why you might see some language in these court filings where they don't come down quite as bad because they know at some point trying to keep door open. He's going to be government witness. Jill you said something about the part in play and I wanna follow up on that. 'cause there's two other data points. Here. You got George popadopoulos who was the first person who pleaded guilty under seal, but he was the first to plead guilty. He shows up for prison today federal prison, Wisconsin after trying to wriggle out from under his guilty plea, essentially, he pleaded guilty. He then kind of trains his story said he was duped wanted to get out of it the court win, let them and then you've got today you got Jerome Corsi Roger sewn associate who. No has been subpoenaed multiple times Muller telling NBC news that he has rejected a plea. So it's sort of interesting to watch metaphor Coursey and popadopoulos all these people essentially trying to get out from either rejecting a plea up front or get out from please they already signed onto makes you wonder what's going on it it does. But I just want to clarify that. I also think that it is sensible that he would have pled because he got only two counts that he pled to. And he avoided the cost of a trial. Right. Big factor. Right. And now he can still get pardoned. So for Manafort, it may make sense for Coursey. We don't know whether the plea deal was withdrawn for Manafort, he's a lousy witness. Let's face it. If if the jury didn't believe gates, this is a man who's been convicted and pled guilty to crimes that make him not a credible witness. So for him to be useful to Muller. He's going to have to come up with documentary proof something that is iron. In class act for him to be believed. And I don't think he's willing to do that. So that's where I think we're at with him. That's interesting. But I think he's got that documentary proof that is that Muller doesn't he knows and tipping his hand. In the filing saying, we're going to show you what this guy did right now, you may not see that though in the public filing. You may only may only be given to the judge under seal because it's going to relate to a matter still under criminal investigation. Final thing real quickly. I learned from both of you Nixon was dangling pardons all over the place back in the day. And it was part of the part of the obstruction case, essentially, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. It was this is true. And it's happening here. I mean, well, Trump is he's basically was trying to interfere with the jury that man tried before he was trying. I mean, one of the jurors even quoted from Trump off a witch hunt, which is why they hung on certain counts are so I said eighteen months ago that there was a case for obstruction. And I believe it's only gotten stronger with each passing day. And it looks like we're on the precipice learnings of new information, he'll wind banks, Nick Akron. Thank you. Both. Joining me now, congressman Jim Hines, Connecticut, a member of the house intelligence committee. What do you make of all this congressman? Well, we were waiting for that other Muller shoot a draw post-election. And I guess I guess that process has has begun in a big way. Look I having listened in on the show. You know, one thing we know about Manafort e maybe a dirty guy. He's not in a rational guy. He doesn't do things that are that are stupid for his own wellbeing. So, you know, of course, somebody who. Participated in the house intelligence committee investigation of what was going on. I'm very interested about what he might have been trying to hide what he might have been trying to signal to the president that he did him right in the expectation of a pardon down the road. So look the other lesson here, of course, is you don't pull one over on Muller. So I fully expect that that we may get a glimpse into whatever it was that Manafort was trying to hide from your perspective. I wonder like the president the possibility the president has communicated or communicate with through intermediaries about pardons. How how relevant is that to you? Is it member of congress, and a member of a democratic majority of about Sega gavel back as something that you think congress has a right to find out. Well, of course, we have a right to find out. I mean at some point that sort of thing becomes a willful obstruction of Justice, which is a crime and arguably an impeachable crime as Richard Nixon, so his so dramatically learned, and so, but you know, here's the thing. Chris who knows maybe it happened? But. What do we know about Donald Trump? He's willing to do outrageous things while he's president in states with a reelection in front of him. So if you're any one of these individuals whose pled guilty, including Paul Manafort in the back of your mind is thinking to yourself, hey on the last two days of this guy's presidency. Of course, he's going to he's going to pardon me, especially if he knows that I served his interest. And that gets me back to Wyatt. Exactly did Manafort what exactly was he trying to cover up here. What how would pardons land on Capitol Hill? You mean, how would we learn if somebody had been promised by being the political reverberations be of a pardon by the president of someone like Manafort where someone involved in this? Oh, look, I think. You know, I think that would be politically very tough. I mean the lesson. Remember Capitol Hill is fundamentally a political entity people on the Republican side make their calculus based on what's likely to happen in the next election. And if the president is is toxic if his approval ratings are five points lower than they are today at some point Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders start saying, oh my God. We we're going to twenty twenty we're going to be where we were in a way where we're significant risk of losing the presidency, and our Senate majority and at some point if the numbers get low enough those Republicans are going to distance themselves from Donald Trump. Yeah. The question is how low and what it will take to get there. Let me see this to and I asked members of congress members the United States Senate this, but I find fastening you you're watching the Muller investigation as if it's in a black box like every other one of the three hundred fifty million Americans. Right. I mean, you know, what's coming, and, you know, idea what the underlying facts are. Well. The first part is certainly true. I mean, Bob Muller. Very very intelligently has kept a has kept the congress completely in the dark in particular, the intelligence committees the house committee, obviously having been so compromised by the actions of chairman debit Nunez. So Muller has kept us off with a pole. Do we know more facts? Yeah. Of course, both the Senate and the house of undertaking their own investigations. And so, yeah, we probably do have a few more facts than the average person out there. But you're absolutely right with respect to the Muller investigation where we're reading about a lot of this stuff in the newspaper. All right. We'll buckle up congressman, Jim Himes. Thank you very much. Thank you. Chris. Jennifer, Rubin and opinion right at the Washington Post and MSNBC political analyst Sam cedar host, the majority of an MSNBC contributor. Sam there so much going on here. That's so characterizes broadly Trump world like the lying the flagrant disregard, but lawlessness and the apparent belief that can get away with it. Like, it's all there on display in this one little filing, Paul Manafort. Yeah. Well, I mean, Paul Manafort is in his sixties, and he seems to have gotten away with it for maybe decades. Yes. And now he has an ally who is protecting who's the aerobically one of the most powerful individuals in the country. And so. Maybe he's right. I mean, maybe he can get away with it. We don't like you said the congressman we don't know what's in that black box. That's the thing. And so we're just looking at shadows of shadows. Essentially, and we don't know what what is costing though chef. But this this returns me always to what so sort of insane. And politically suicide about the Republicans approach to this. And I don't know if they have other hand to play this may be all they can do. But they don't know what they're covering up for fundamentally, right? They signed onto a cover up, and they don't know the underlying facts, and it some point the unwinding facts come out. And maybe they won't be that bad and everyone go or maybe terrible. And then they're stuck. Jennifer. Well, first of all, this should be a lesson to President Trump, and the other witnesses that Muller has a wealth of information. And so that when you respond to him whether their answers in writing or whether they are answers to FBI agent or answers to the special prosecutor himself, you had better be telling the truth and the same is the case with regard to testimony before congress. That's also grounds for possible perjury investigations and prosecutions, if these people have lied to congress on so I think these people who simply are moving lockstep with Donald Trump are absolutely playing with fire, and they are still in the position where they refused to bring to the floor the Senate legislation to protect Mahler. They are still I think by and large carrying the president's water saying that this all a witch hunt. But you know, I think there's beginning to be a difference, and I can break a little news. There will be. Pulled tomorrow showing this that there is some erosion on the Republican side out there in the country. And that's that's new. What we're saying is that the average Republican is becoming less supportive of Donald Trump than his member or her member of congress or the Senate. And that's when I think they turn around and say, well, maybe we need to rethink this. Yeah. I think so I think the Himes calculation is correct. Right. They will abandon him if and when it's political peril. The question is at what point that would be the case. Yeah. I mean, they're underwater, right? But know when you look at the map, right? You know, look at where Trump went into those red states, and he helped write the problem is the polarization is such that suicide may be the only option. There is there is no. Can happen emotion. Yes. When we were looking at national numbers, but when but no one, but the president is elected on a national level. They're elected in their very red state or their elected in their very red district, particularly after forty of them got purge. Exactly. Where are you? Now got the revanchist set that's in the house. This is the sort of pure pure trumpets here. And so I think five points may be a little domestic. I don't know if there is a threshold where there's massive exit walking to the exit from from Republican lawmakers what I would say we've all been wondering about this. Right. I mean because they have they've signed onto the cover up. They don't know what it is. They've carried water for him. Jennifer. The what's notable the timing to me today. This happens after the presence omitted is written answers. So we get this tip of the hand from Muller. And it makes you wonder like okay now like if that's close parentheses on a certain part of this end of the chapter because the president presented what do we learn now? And what does that mean for the Pala? Ticks of this next era. We are now entering exactly I think we know far less and every time that mar has come out with an indictment. We've all been surprised there have been new characters new allegations, a new granular level of detail that we didn't think was possible. We now have of course, Roger stone and his associates being squeezed. That's a further link to WikiLeaks into the underlying collusion, which Trump continues to deny. So I think we are far far from the end these folks and think that this was going to wrap up last year or share or even the beginning of next year. I think we've got a long ways to go. This also feels like a signal for mothers people like the way this is written in what they're saying. In this filing that like, we know things. Yeah. One gets the sense that they were two or three moves ahead of this wasn't completely out of left field from their perspective. This was there was at the very least set. Scenarios and this was one of them, and they were prepared for it. And you have a sense that they know what comes after this controlling the tempo of the battle as it were, Jennifer Rubin and Sam seater. Thank you for your time. Stay with us. Lots more to come including how the lawlessness of the border is being committed by the White House. We're back in two minutes. Once again, the Trump administration has intentionally created a spectacle of cruelty and desperation at the US border, and the cruelty is the direct result. Let's be clear of the lawlessness emanating from the White House Justice child separation was an intentional strategy to create misery even as administration lied about. The Trump White House is now using the migrants from Central America. Many of the mothers and children to create a new spectacle of cruelty teargassing people on Sunday as they tried to get through the border. The pattern is depressingly simple. President Trump of rations cable news watcher does not like to see groups of immigrants from Central America trying to come into the country. So as a ministration finds a way to punish those immigrants and to do so visibly dramatically to demonstrate to his base that he Trump is on their side against Hispanic toddlers. That's why he deployed troops the US border stringing concertina wire instead of preparing for thanksgiving with their families. That's why administration separated immigrant families taking. Children as young as one year old away from their parents with no real plan for uniting, those families until court force them to and that is why the United States government yesterday use tear gas against civilians a weapon so awful that is banned in the use of warfare all as United States has. Let's be clear experienced a net outflow of undocumented immigrants back into Mexico. The people on our border who are asking for asylum are quite literally fleeing for their lives. The only reason they are in this position being teargassed treated like criminals is because this president has already worked steadily to dismantle what had been and established orderly lawful immigration system, including legal ways of asking for asylum. Instead of these people presenting themselves and applying for Silom port of entry as the US law requires they are instead being intentionally and illegally kept out. In other words, there is lawlessness on the border. But it is the lawlessness of Donald Trump ordering his administration to break the. Law all to create images like this one a mother and her children, flip flops and diapers. Fleeing the destructive force turned against them by the United States of America. For more one this weekend, Texas, democratic congressman walking Castro congressman, your respect, your reaction to watching that scene on fold in Santa see dro- will like a lot of Americans. I was horrified to see women and children. These folks to babies diapers barefoot being gassed, and I think Americans were horrified at the idea of agents of the United States government, making decision to use tear gas on kids that are two or three years old. And as you mentioned this was a self created chaotic situation by the president he has used migrants from day one even before he became president during the campaign as the number one political boogeyman for him. He has weaponized resentment and fear of migrants, basically to his political benefit. And that's why you see him. Do a lot of. Things that he does we respect to my Gration and immigration. Here's here's Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham co-sponsor of the gang of eight Bill made his way through the Senate comprehensive immigration reform man who said that if the party nominated Donald Trump will get an isolated and they'll deserve it today. I have worked many Democrats have compassion for legal immigrants already in the United States in order solve this problem. Now is time for Democrats to be clear they to pause the lawless behavior from illegal immigrants at the border, basically, saying the Democrats need to get tough. They knew adopt Donald Trump stances, maybe you've got to build the wall. And then we'll come to the table. What do you think of that? We'll I most Americans and most Texans disagree with building a thousand mile wall between the United States and Mexico and they disagreed with the president from the beginning. Also, as you mentioned earlier, the migration from Mexico and other parts of Central America is lower than it's been in decades. There's a net migration back to Mexico, for example. If you 'specially when you compare the numbers to say two thousand one or two thousand two and so this. Really is now very much a political issue that the president has used in created in his favor. And it just speaks Lindsey Graham, quote speaks to hell far. We've come from just a few years ago when the United States Senate in a bipartisan way, I think was sixty eight votes passed a comprehensive immigration reform Bill, but John bainer refused to put it on the floor for a vote because he was scared of losing his speakership. And then the next year, he quit his speakership. Part of this. Also, I think is question of scale. I mean when people look at the images and the way that the caravan has been covered as massive invasion. How do how do you talk to people about the scale of what we're seeing and give some perspective to that. It can be tough. Actually, I remember about a week and a half before the election. I was actually getting a haircut and the woman that was cutting my hair who's a democrat said that she thought that the point that the president we're making we're actually getting through to people that people in Texas in San Antonio were scared of this idea that you would have a mass of people that were trying to invade the country. So it's a lot of think talking about the facts, and the fact that these are asylum-seekers that they're fleeing violence their in a desperate situation. I mean, if you think about it, you look at those images, these people a lot of them don't even have shoes on much less any weapons to hurt. Anybody? Yeah. It's also worth noting. These are the people in some ways that are the most determined the most desperate because they have managed to walk a thousand miles. They've walked I mean, that's that's a pretty insane thing to do. Yeah. That's right. I mean, it speaks to the human will. But all of this was also created because the president we put out a statement today commercial Hispanic caucus that for generations, both democratic and Republican administrations have had an orderly process for asylum. And this president has basically knocked all that destroyed all that. And what he needs to do is reestablish that early process for petitioning for asylum, congressman mocking Castro, thanks for being here. When a follow up on that now with league learn as a deputy, the fuel you immigrant rights project who argued in court against us industry administration's treatment of emerets, all right asylum in the United States, guaranteed under international law and US law correctly. And what does it mean to present yourself in the United States under US law? It means you submitted application notwithstanding the narrative it's coming out from the administration. It is not an easy standard. Not everyone gets it. But there has to be a process we cannot. Eliminate a process that will save people's lives. We learned that after World War Two we wrote it into domestic law. It's in international law and all the administration's doing now is trying to eliminate it rather than just sending more officers to the ports to process the applications, which would be easy. They're just not that many people. They're finding every way possible as you said to create this chaos and try to create images. So let's create a counterfactual imagine administration that didn't want that image. Right, right. You could put border officers and Santa see jobs the port of entry, which is a legitimate port of entry. Right. So it's like lawful to go there and just process the people coming through right for sure I mean, that's what US law says we should do for sure we're not doing that. And some people will get asylum and some people won't we're not arguing that everyone has a right to come here. But they should have a process. There is no question we have the resources to have an orderly process. Exactly what you said. But just to be clear the reason that that images you're seeing televisions. Right now exist is because that ministration took a bunch of steps, including one that struck down by district court to say, no, you can't basically like blanket. No, you can't do that. Exactly. And one of the things they're trying to say look we're being overrun there's a crisis. There's never seen these numbers. I argued that case in court in San Francisco last week, and I read the numbers to the judge and show that how between two thousand two thousand eight the were double or triple the number of people and during now the ministration saying we've never seen numbers like this before. It's simply not factually true, executive producer this morning said it, you know, it's the same people not of number of people getting out of Cincinnati Reds baseball game at night. Like does that made in the streets of Cincinnati Cincinnati crowded that our yes that a national issue that three hundred and fifty million Americans have to be concerned with certainly not exactly that it would fill up only a small part of the red state. You know, it's just not the crisis. They wanted to say it is. But tell me tell me about the law here. I mean. Issued an executive order again all compounds basically said no you can't they tried to deny that both close ports of entry to asylum seekers. And they also said if you in between ports of entry. You're putting your finger on it. That's what they're doing. It's the double whammy Congress's made it clear, it doesn't matter where you enter you have to be allowed to apply for silent. While they said, we're not going to give you asylum. You don't to enter an airport of entry. So people are going to ports of entry. But they're not being allowed to apply. Little kids are waiting out there sleeping and horrible shelters on the street for weeks and weeks and weeks. So they're they're getting them at both ends. They're saying you have to come to port of entry because you which a judge struck down the judge actually in contravention of US law. You can't override congress. You are right up case adeptly, it appears and then they show up at a port of entry. And you get seem like this because they're basically saying no can't come in no room at the exactly now they're talking about some even worse stranding them in Mexican sing for months or years. You'll have to wait in Mexico while you try and get a proceeding in the US. I mean, it's. Horrible. And then we have the gassing of these children that can happen in the United. And you're absolutely right to couple it with the family separation. There's just no amphitheater or proportion going on. We're having a little kids I being separated. Now, there's using tear-gas on little kids. I don't there's we've lost any sense of perspective. Final question here about asylum. The creation of the standard of asylum is easy post World War Two phenomenon. Right. And it is a result is I understand it of things like the famous ship that came to the US full of right of the Saint Louis, Saint Louis full of Jewish refugees attend Riley, Nazi Germany that got turned back in those people were murdered when that happened in various places for various ways, and it was created the standard asylum created Ingram to that. Exactly. And I had a federal judge in a case. I argued recently say to the government in open court, don't you? Remember what happened with the Saint Louis when we turn the back. Don't you know that? This is why we created. I think everyone in this country needs to look back on the history. Where member what happened when we didn't have these laws, and the final point here is it's not that everyone get like, it's not that this is a rubber stamp. In fact, it's the opposite. This is a difficult thing. It's a lawful process to apply for any difficult to obtain. But there is a legal process that exists. Exactly. No one is saying that everyone will get a summers title. But there has to be a process for those people who genuinely endanger instead of being told to stand on the other side of the border and get your exactly we learn. Thank you for that next. It's election eve, Mississippi and Republicans are fighting to hold onto their Senate seat as the president drops in for two rallies. The actual candidate is avoiding questions at all costs. Speaking about the issue. A lot of people that we've talked to across the state that are concerned about your remarks, and what you were apologizing for. Senator why not speak to this issue? Your comments offended, a great number of people know, you haven't wondering what what is it? They were apologizing for Senator you stood inside of Jefferson Davis. Davis said that this is Mississippi history at its best Senator what did you mean by that sanding inside of Jefferson Davis house in saying that Senator this third? You're right. But Senator you're running to be the US Senator of the United States Senator Senator you're running to the US Senator why not talk about race. It looks like Republican Senator Cindy Hyde Smith has figured finally out a strategy for success in the runoff election. Tomorrow stop talking around cameras in the last few weeks, Hyde Smith has been caught on tape saying she would enthusiastically attendee public hanging with rivers and that Mississippi should make it more difficult for quote, some folks to vote she said these things while running for office in a state that had more lynchings and any other state in the union state that has systematically disenfranchised black voters including today. A state that still flies a flag with the confederate emblem Senator Hyde Smith said these things while running against democrat, Mike Espy who's looking to become the state's first black Senator since reconstruction. The president is in Mississippi right now doing two different rallies in support of heights. Smith just hours before he arrived seven nooses were found hanging outside the Mississippi State capitol with signs reading, quote, we need someone who respects the lives of Lynch victims were hanging nooses to remind people that times haven't changed talk more about the Senate campaign. I'm joined by Matt visor, national political. The Washington Post who's in Mississippi covering the race. What does it look like down there? It's lively we're here at Mike Espy's event on election eve as gospel choirs ministers, kind of rallying a largely black crowd, which is a lot different from President Trump and the crowds. He's been rallying today at twin rallies in the north part of the state, and he's about to be in Biloxi in the southern part of the state. Obviously, Mississippi is a place that is riven by its racial history. The history of slavery plantation confederacy, the civil rights movement. It is a state with the highest percentage of African American residents. And now, this is all been front and center. I wonder what your sense of reaction to the sin Crowley of this race and the states racial history has been in the campaign. It is absolutely the driving issue of this campaign. I mean that one remark and deeper explorations into semi height Smits history of supporting the confederacy has really shaken up. This race people are very tuned-in. It's it's helped energize black voters, which as you point out the highest percentage of any state in the nation in Mississippi. So I think that is a key part of tomorrow's vote is how big the turnout is along the delta along the areas where we're traditionally black voters live, but also don't often vote. So I think that is a very key factor for tomorrow. And if they can drive out the turn out Cindy Smith is running a campaign very much linked to President Trump. She mentioned him all the time. And that's what she's hoping that he can drag her cost finish on. Do. You feel easy drag. Finish line. I mean my perception from watching this race remotely is that she's not doing so great not run a great campaign. And it takes a lot to lose the Republican statewide candidate Mississippi. So she's got a lot of padding. But is that is that your sense there while being there covering it? Exactly, the state Republican party sent out a campaign Mailer that arrived in mailboxes. It had President Trump's image on it. It had President Trump's name on it. It did not mention Cindy heights at all really. It's encouraging people to vote. Yes. Encouraging people to vote but not mentioning the candidate to vote for. So I think there is widespread recognition among Republicans that she is not running good campaign has been a good candidate. And this race should not be as tight as it. As it is. They still think that she probably wins just because of the political dynamics of this state. But I think Republicans privately will acknowledge that she has not been a very good candidate. Yeah. And I guess the last question here is that agree to which? What what white voters end up doing? I mean, there's the question of black turnout. But when we saw an Alabama was Doug Jones was able to win about three in ten white voters which was enough to just edge over with with high black turn out and enthusiastic black turn out. And the question now tickly is talk about things like segregation academies, which are extremely whites. Widespread among white mississippians. What that does to their decision making? Yeah. And I think that that has been the dynamics of this race have been sort of playing out around that white voters will do I talked to a couple of the other day who are reliable Republican voters their mainstream Republicans, but they were thinking about voting for Mike Espy because of the comments Smith made they felt like it was an embarrassment to the state and Mike Espy needs those types of people to be making those decisions how wide spread that is. I think we find out, but Cindy Smith is is banking on not enough of those people turning out, but the other questions sort of whether white voters just don't show up. They're not motivated by city Smith. They don't feel great about her. They may feel good about President Trump. But is that enough to get them to the polls? And that that I think is question for tomorrow during election day in the runoff few weeks after mount visor live from his Scipion. I thank you for joining us. Still had there is breaking midterm election developments. Still NBC news has retracted a call in a hotly contested California race. Plus TIs the season which season it is. Well, you've tell us. That's tonight's thing. One thing to starting next. You may have woken up this Monday morning after the long holiday weekend with now familiar experience. Remembering that, oh, yeah. Donald Trump is the president tonight. Reminder that Melania Trump is first lady, which means she is in charge of decorating the White House for Christmas. Now, you may remember last year's holiday decor. It was less chestnuts. Roasting on an open fire and more frozen nightmare forest in the east colonnade. Well today, the White House revealed this year's decorations, and it's a lot like last year. Only a bit more murdering that's thing to in sixty seconds. Like Americans all across the country that Trump's are decorating the house for the holidays. We saw the president and first lady greeting the official Christmas tree the other day, which is now taking place of honor in the blue room. The official tree is just one of the trees. We're looking at tonight today me White House released this video. So this is what the east colonnade looks like today. White House says these are two topiary trees. Others are calling it the murder forest. I wonder how many elmo's they killed them. Make those rights user on Twitter other sites striking resemblance the uniforms made famous by the Topi drama. It's stale obsessed saw gossamer the very interesting monster from Bugs Bunny cartoons Louis on the United Kingdom was reminded of a car wash. Now, look what's best here. I respect the aesthetic boldness of the choice and everybody has their own style. It's just that not everybody's holiday videos work, so perfectly the music from the shining. Breaking news in the ongoing midterm elections. NBC news is now retracting its call and California's twenty first congressional district the race had been called for the incumbent Republican David Avella day. Oh, but with votes still being counted democrat, TJ, Cox started closing the gap and tonight he actually pulled the head. So that'd be t- news now places the races too close to call vote. Counting is expected to go through next week. If TJ Cox also prevails that would bring Democrats net gain the house to forty seats. They already won the house by record-breaking margin. The popular vote at least eight point eight million more people voted for Democrats or Republicans. The question now is will Democrats embrace their new found power bring an atom, sir or staffer if the Atlantic and Danielle moody mills host of woke af on Sirius XM, Adam you had a point you made the other day about how the way that the sort of protagonist of American politics continues to be the kind of heeding Trump voter somewhere that. That that that represents some true real voter. And it distorts the political perception of what the majority of Americans just voted for in this last election say more about that. Democrats margin of victory in terms of raw votes is bigger than like thirty five American states about now million votes at this point. But something the Republican party has been very successful in doing is persuading most American political journalists that the average American voter is actually an extremely conservative Republican, right? And you can see that in the assumptions both about how the Democrats should behave with their new power in congress, how politically who they need to appeal to to win, and and that framing is very advantageous to the Republican party. Now, if you actually look at the way, the country is what has happened is that the Republican party has extracted a number of significant political victories owing to the counter majoritarian nature of the American system, which grants greater power. Our two areas that are less densely populated and actually represent fewer people than the majority of the actual American population votes Adams point there about you're already seeing like the stories about overreach and having been around democratic competitions and cover them a lot. They are. They do like I've watched Republican politicians always worry about the tea party primary challenge. They always worry about their base democratic politicians in my experience have read much more about the like the swing voter. Yeah. The reality is Democrats make up this fictitious idea about their power, right? When they're in power. They're trying desperately to hold onto it when they're not empowered that complaining that they're not the reality is that we have a moment right now where we are going to be the only check on this administration. Trump has had a green light and a clear pathway for the last two years. And so we need to govern. As if we have the power as if the people are actually on our side as if all of the marches and protests that we've seen the last two years are actually a reflection of where we are the Republicans govern in the reality that they make up in their mind, and their alternative facts we actually govern in reality. And so the reality is we have power we should act like it and also out of a majority behind that power. I mean, even on this this Quinnipiac cullings interesting to me like even on climate change. I think Democrats still earn a little defensive crouch about or they think, oh, I don't know if people care about that like sixty four percent more. Be done. Ten percent. We're doing too much like that's a huge majority. Same thing when you're asked about immigration or healthcare like majority of people in the democrat side on immigration health care, go down the issues, and there's a majority behind the democratic majority right now. Well, I think that part of the reason for this fear. I mean, Republicans are terrified of their base and Democrats are terrified of the Republican base. And I think. For that is the history of the Democratic Party, which is one in which they were the. Unquestionably majority party of the United States for much of the twentieth century. And then they lost that status in part due to backlash owing to their supported the civil rights movement in the sixties. And so I think that that's storyline. While Democrats take great pride in net. Despite how incomplete that second reconstruction was they are absolutely afraid of backlash from conservative white voters. I think that guides their political behavior in almost everything regardless of whether or not they have the wind at their backs or the support of the majority of the population. I think there's a generational aspect that to to Adams point. I think that's very true generation. But what's interesting is watching a lot of members of congress, enter this house who do not have that generational memory of being blindsided by like Reagan backlash or or post nine eleven backlash, and they seem to conduct themselves with these themselves that they really do believe the majority of. And they actually are reflective and look like the makeup of America. That is now and the America that white Americans a conservative Americans are afraid of that is coming down the pike. Here's the thing. Democrats need to stop doing stop pandering to the white working class as if they're the only ones that are part of the working class. This is the problem when we get into identity politics, and we were told after twenty sixteen election stop talking about identity politics. That's what loss the election know, what law says the election is constantly pandering to a class that is on your side that isn't the future of this country that isn't the future of the party. What black Americans have shown time and time again is that they are the backbone of the Democratic Party and yet receive none of the investment from it. So the idea's this lettuce. Stop pretending that white women and white men are going to save us from ourselves. They're not going to they're always going to vote with their whiteness. That's the reality. That's that's true. That's true. Although those margins matter a lot they matter David a lot. But here's the thing if I'm looking at a pyramid, right? And we're constantly looking at the top. I want to pay attention to the base of the base are people of color Adams or Daniel Mooney mills. Thank you both that does it for all in. You can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's Facebook dot com slash all in with Chris.

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The Most Competitive Races In 2020

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The Most Competitive Races In 2020

"Sorry someone is mowing the lawn outside. Say Like oh now. Being duct tape. That would be twenty twenty. Hello and welcome to the fivethirtyeight politics podcast I'm Galen Rukh election day is exactly two weeks from today and we are in daily podcast mode. So let's dive into it. Over the past several months you've heard US talk plenty about likely tipping point states or the states that are likeliest to give the winning presidential candidate, his two hundred seventieth. Electoral College vote those are states like Pennsylvania Wisconsin Florida and Michigan, but while those races may be the most important in terms of like. twirl math they're not actually the closest races according to current polling and our forecast the stage showing a dead heat in the presidential contest are actually states like Ohio, Georgia, Iowa, and even Texas. So today we're going to focus on the most competitive races both in the contest for the presidency and also the House and Senate, and also what those contests tell us about our current political environment. So here's to do that are managing editor, Michael Cohen, he-, Mica, Hey Ellen, his era. Also here of us, as you mentioned is Politics Editor Sarah Frost and said Hey Sarah Hey, Kaelin. So before I dive into the meat of the questions that I have for you managing editor politics, editor Gorlic, steering the ship and its destination is two weeks away. How are you all feeling? How are you thinking about how the newsroom is handling this? Amanda that question with another question. Sarah. How much do you feel like you're steering the ship I like clinging on screaming for help I know right now. I. Think. One of our more entertaining exercises were trying to map out all the different possible scenarios because there's just so much up in the air this year in terms of the margin will we know on election night? What if we don't know for two weeks from now what do we have in terms of legal experts staff soon? Oh I. Don't feel like I'm staring at Mica having been politics editor at. Five thirty eight during crazy election not as crazy as this one, I can say in the last few weeks you're just clinging on for dear life things get so hectic and so nonstop that it's really hard to keep big picture in mind which Sarah has somehow managed to do despite an even crazier election than twenty sixteen. So it's to kind I mean I think one hurdle for sure is just the fact that we're all remote. I know that's a new reality that we've all embraced at this point but I think one thing for election night is we're all expect being in the office for watching the results come in together, and that'll be just trying to coordinate us and every other newsroom that'll be a challenge I don't WanNa get too mad I here but I mean, let's go for it for a second at least what does success look like to you all like this is a job interview. What does success mean in this role? It's a good question. I think for the election in particular I, try to look for are we? Uncovering explaining, exploring the. Issues and themes and factors that are most influential in the election. So Sarah's politics editor has done this amazingly actually. Are we exploring and uncovering why is trump underperforming this year relative to where he was in twenty sixteen while we just had a great piece on the site looking at how demographic groups have changed relative to four years ago. What do people care about? Are we looking into those issues and an exploring how much those are driving the campaign? So that's I think the metric first success you know in two thousand, sixteen, one thing I was really proud of was like we had a lot of coverage in the lead up. To the election on trump's electoral college advantage, how there might be electoral college popular vote Split. So it's like that kind of thing right? It's like. Are you shining a spotlight on the things that end up being important in hindsight? Now I think that's absolutely right and I would just add to that that the other goal I have for this year is that voters and readers are able to understand what's happening night of like what we do know and what we don't know and us being as transparent as possible as results are coming in and like this looks right. Here's here's why this might be a bit funky making sure we're doing the prep beforehand for that 'cause there's just so much. We don't know this year. All right. Well, it will be a very exciting night, and of course, we will all be covering it until we have the very. Last results. So there's something to look forward to listeners, but let's get to the crux of the matter today, which is the most competitive wasted that we're seeing across the board in twenty twenty. So let's start here I mentioned those four states at the top in the two thousand twelve election President Obama won Iowa six percentage points Ohio by three percentage points and then lost Georgia by eight and loss Texas by sixteen in two, thousand, sixteen, trump one, zero, nine points Ohio by six points Georgia by five points and Texas by nine points. He won all of those four states back in two, thousand, twelve, it was split with. Winning the Upper Midwestern states and Romney winning the southern states. We're in a situation where these are all pulling at roughly even our forecast gives different odds depending on the state like it's less likely that Joe Biden will win taxes, for example, the Georgia but the actual polls you look these are all about like a one point race. So what has happened in American politics that have put all four of these states in roughly the same place in twenty twenty. So at least according to the polling, Biden is up by a lot over all these are. All Republican leaning states and the fact that the polls in each of them show a close race is testament to Biden's big lead over. All right. That's the main factor to remember all debates about should Democrats appeal to the Obama trump voters white working class voters right or should they double down on their found strength among college educated whites in the suburbs or should they try to turn out non white voters? The data shows Eneko over at the New York Times had a good piece about this. But you know Biden has improved on Clinton's margins with white non college educated voters. He's also improved upon her margins and diverse suburbs like you see in in Texas and trump has doing a little better among black voters particularly black men a little better among Hispanic voters will see how real that is. But like you've seen in all these states being competitive, it's testament to me that when you see movement in American politics, it tends to happen across demographic groups. CORTEX is is rarely sort of a binary mutually exclusive choice. Should I appeal to this group or this group right? I think that's a really good point something I was thinking about too is you see as Mike said Biden, improving with white? Voters particularly those without a college degree where Clinton wasn't sixteen right. But at the same time, he's also making huge strides they sunbelt states right so it is that combination it's not one or the other and some of that I think just speaks to the fact that he's got a double digit lead nationally trump, and so the generic ballot which looks at Congressional races to try to Suss out well, which way is the electoral environment leaning is right now seven point four points in favor of Democrats, which is like another blue wave like election territory I mean we still have a week and a half year to go and so that can tighten but piece we did earlier in the week where we Were looking at how much do the polls move in the last two weeks of the campaign on average they don't move that much again, there could be further tightening but at this point, it does seem as if we're moving into that realignment territory in the way that we did in sixteen in some ways, it doesn't mean though Texas will be blue in every election moving forward but it does seem as if there's some really big shifts at play where we're talking about to your point Gaylon Texas, Iowa Georgia. Ohio as the states where the margin is like plus or minus five and not Pennsylvania Wisconson where Biden actually has a six point lead if you look at the projected vote share in even. Though Pennsylvania will still most likely be the tipping point state according to our forecast. That's me is fascinating that the projected margin there is large enough that those aren't really the states we're talking about as the most competitive here in twenty twenty. Mary who worked on our polling database she she gave us a spreadsheet of all the did vote share margins. According to the forecast from every state for the presidential race in every Senate race in every house race, and if you round to the nearest whole number in the presidential race, Georgia Ohio and the second district in Maine all round to a projected margin of zero Texas rounds projected margin of trump plus three Iowa trump plus one north Carolina Biden plus to. Biden plus three. So it's like. To say, these are close races they are really really close races. It's pretty amazing and the reality is if my math is correct, the Democrats don't have to win any of those races in order to win the presidency. Yeah. They don't, and you know our snake chart on our forecast does have you arrange the states by let's use Biden's projected margin from biggest to smallest he crosses two hundred seventy votes with Pennsylvania after that comes Nebraska Second District Arizona Florida North Carolina Main Second District Ohio Georgia Iowa Texas. So all these states are gravy for Biden if he wins them in terms of the Electoral College, of course there. Are Important Senate Races House races down ballot races in these states. So POW well, Biden doesn't them will matter regardless and also I would argue that the size of Biden's victory if he wins could have important ramifications in terms of okay. What kind of mandate does he have how much of a check have the American people given Democrats to enact policies? All right. So as we've mentioned, these dates are not necessary for Biden to win the election while they are necessary for president trump how much attention are the campaigns giving the states given the not the tipping points? Are they still competing in them, giving them resources and so on? Day are competing in the states. We've seen the trump campaign, spend a lot of money, and in fact, visit these states that from their point of view I'm sure they were hoping. We're so not by this point, Ohio Iowa states like that. There was a lot of debate in two thousand sixteen obviously around campaign strategy of where the candidates visited I. Think the trump campaign is at least judging by their behavior they know they have some work to do in these redlining states, I think theme in some of the. Shift is the suburbs which sounds very trite because we talk about the suburbs in every presidential election I'm like, oh, it's going to be decided in the suburbs and of course yes. Urban areas are blue and rural areas are red and yes it all gets decided in the more properly areas but specific to Georgia and Texas I think we are seeing politics that is driven by these sprawling suburbs around places like Atlanta Dallas. Fort Worth Houston et CETERA. So how have our suburbs evolved politically over the past four plus years? So we've actually done to pieces recently that looked at this both used nations, gape data one in which the common thread seems to be that we are seeing the suburbs moved to the left that's largely driven by white suburban women, white suburban men on the other hand ten still vote for trump. There's a pretty big gender gap and also trump has made some gains with college educated voters this year according to the nation's scape data again, by than still leads on that metric so it's not enough to give. Trump the edge on that but the gender gap that's emerged has been particularly telling you saw that happened in twenty eighteen in that definitely helped fuel some of Democrats win in the suburbs because in two thousand, sixteen, trump actually one suburban voters, both men and women by two points. Believe it was forty seven to forty, five percent whereas now he's got forty five percent of white suburban women while Biden has fifty four percent I wanna move on and talk a little bit about the house because we have really not. talked. About the House elections at all this cycle. But first today's podcast is brought to you. 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The House isn't getting as much attention this year because Democrats have such good odds of holding on to their majority. What's interesting though is the actual like most vulnerable seat is a democrat. It's Minnesota Representative Collin Peterson of the seventh district there, and that's because that's a district that voted for trump leans read but he Is Hung on through years now because he's more in the middle moderate Democrat but for the first time in a while he's actually facing really stiff competition from medical Fischbach and so it's a close race. We only give him about a one in four shot of winning. So he is the underdog there despite being an incumbent and then Democrats also have some tough races in the Oklahoma v tenderhorn. You might remember her from twenty teen as a surprise victory and then Tj Cox and California's twenty first district. The big difference here though is that Republicans have just a lot more seats that are in question and that's a combination of retirements redistricting in North Carolina and the Democratic leaning environment, and so even though they need to make up more ground than Democrats to take back control of the. Chamber. They just have a tougher map ahead of them and more seats that are vulnerable when we were looking at this earlier this week, they were underdog in three Republican held seats, fifty fifty and nine others, and then a less than a three and four shot of winning and thirteen more and that that's just not where you want to be if you're the party looking to take back that chamber. You you look at the list of most competitive house races. One thing that stands out as the role retirement Sarah mentioned have played. On that list are a bunch of open seats. Right the second district in new. York Virginia Indiana Five Georgia seven Texas twenty, four Colorado three, right like the big factor here is obviously the democratic leaning environment overall. But that environment has also shot the map in I think encouraging let's say a lot of republican incumbents to quits early. Yeah actually that maybe gets a question that I was GonNa ask, which is that Democrats, made gains in Pretty Republican territory in two thousand eighteen. So why are there still so many vulnerable House Republicans seats in National Environment That is actually pretty similar to two thousand eighteen when you think about the generic ballot polling or of course, Biden is pulling ahead of the generic ballot. Democratic advantage is that why simply people are retiring? Are Democrats newly competitive in new territory. I think it's a combination of I. Think the Indiana Fifth District. It's definitely one of the key races that were watching the house because it's a suburban district and there's a real question. Then we'll okay if Democrats win that they made huge progress in twenty eighteen in suburban areas but there's still some districts on the table and what's interesting is that some of the ones in twenty eighteen I mean Lucy. Macbeth is may be an exception to this is favored to win that in our forecast, but it's more competitive than some of the other races in Virginia that were more moderate Democrats coming into office and it shows that right given. The national environment there are still some suburban districts on the table that Democrats are favored to make further inroads into frigging more big picture about this, what happens to the Republican caucus in the house and perhaps Republican lawmaking the Republican Party more broadly if the only members left are people who are representing very republican areas and perhaps not even that many suburban areas anymore, I mean. This is like the story of the last twenty, thirty years in Congress. It used to be the case that if you looked at every members, the ideological score, there was a lot of overlap between the party but as you've seen primary challengers rise as you've seen. The nationalization of these elections right fewer and fewer voters, splitting tickets you sort of have these seats where if it's a are plus fifteen are plus Tan even plus five, the chances that has republican are much higher than it used to be same on the democratic side. So maybe it's not an optimistic thing to say, but if the Republican Party in Congress gets whittled down to only representatives in will really heavily. Republican. Districts and states then you're gonNA see a a more ideologically. Verdict In on that note to something important to stress as even if Democrats do say when back the Senate this year because of the rural. Of the Senate Republicans will win that chamber again at some point too. So it doesn't necessarily mean like a shift in strategy from Republicans either if they're only ruling more rural areas because a chamber, like the Senate would reward that strategy to some extent if Democrats win the House and the Senate and the presidency, what you would expect is Republicans who are left. Are GonNA be from disproportionately really red states districts they're going to stay incredibly united opposition to whatever Biden Administration does whatever Democrats are doing in Congress and hope that as has been the case normally throughout American history, there's a backlash in the president's first mid term. So we're kind of seeing this year sort of all the forces that have led to this polarization. Sort of policy pendulum. That's a really good point just because the suburbs are leaning blue now doesn't mean that a Democrat trifecta couldn't get more suburbs leaning back red in twenty twenty, two something. Yeah. I think that also brings up the question of the deeper the Democrats go into traditionally Republican territory and end up than with lawmakers who are going to be fighting. Elections in that territory in the future does not have a moderating effect on the Democratic Party and the Democratic caucus overall or is partisanship so overwhelming that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are able to whip basically anybody with a d next to their name into voting for whatever the democratic priorities are. I think that's a tough question. You know we think back to. When Democrats? Lasts controlled all three chambers right Senator Lieberman was the one who famously didn't blow up the ACA but made it a lot more difficult to pass I think once parties are in power in terms of passing legislation that's hard to do. It's hard to appease all parts of your party. So if you're someone who's in the more progressive wing of the party, you have less incentive perhaps to meet moderates in the middle for what they're trying to push through I'm not sure like you know in two team that was kind of a big question that we were thinking about because a lot of Democrats victory were in more moderate suburbs think at least nationally it's the squad who's captured attempt for the Democrats in Congress versus people from the more moderate districts, and maybe that changes here in two thousand and twenty with vitamin if he wins but. I could also see it not changing maybe that means the suburbs slowly turn back to being more Republican, it can't help but have a moderating influence overall I think Sarah pointing to the ACA negotiations after the big democratic wave in two thousand eight is a really good example where Democrats had to work very hard to keep their coalition Together. That said, I think what we have seen particularly recently is at the partisanship is, is still a really strong force, and so if Democrats enter twenty twenty one with a lot of representatives in really read districts or somewhat red districts. I think I would expect a lot of them to stay with Democrats stay with Speaker Pelosi unlike key votes and then Pelosi would likely find ways for them to express their independence on other votes. So I think probably the effect is more marginal than it used to be just in terms of how much of a moderating influence it has like remember like. Democrats didn't get a public option in the original ACA because of that group of more moderate members. If you kind of spun that all over again today, you'd see a little bit less of that. I think you'd see members more willing to just stay in party line, but there's still some of that. So let's wrap on the Senate. They're actually Senate races in all of the states we mentioned as the most competitive except for in Ohio. So there are competitive Senate races in Iowa, Texas and Georgia, and in fact to in Georgia. As, they are kind of dead heats in the presidential polling is also the case on the Senate level and if not, what are the actual most competitive Senate races at the moment we'll. So I was looking again at the projected vote share for these states and what stood out to me as to the endangered GOP members So Cory Gardner in Colorado. And Martha mcsally in Arizona. Those increasingly seem to fall pretty squarely in the Democrats Column Challenger, Mark Kelly in Arizona he's favored to win there and former twenty twenty, eight. Democratic primary runner John. Hickenlooper is in the lead in Colorado as well. Maine is a bit closer but I think what you were talking about the overlap, right? Gaylon you know what's interesting to? Me As Texas is an on that list even though trump maybe only will win it by three points or something. So I'm trying to keep an eye on how much does the top of the ticket 'cause you would expect right like in a state like Montana bullock may be won't win. That's why he's an underdog in our forecast because trump will carry Montana. I'm curious what does that mean in a state like North Carolina earn a state like Texas that has really in play in the presidential election. So to put some of those raises in perspective right now, we are forecasting that the final margin in the Senate race in Montana for example, is about three points in Kansas. We project that it's about five points in. About. Six points in Texas. That's a big. That's about eight points. But then North Carolina why actually we're showing CAL Cunningham winning by about three points in North Carolina. So that seems more in the Democratic column. But then Georgia, we get back to that kind of fifty fifty proposition. Two point you really see sing thing you see at the presidential level if you look at okay what states are declared? It's really read leaning states right so it's Kansas Montana Georgia, Iowa North Carolina Maine with the possible exception main. Those are all Republican leaning states the fact that those are the closest I think speaks to how much trouble Republicans are potentially in. To wrap up here, I want to play some hypothetical. So we wake up a day after a two weeks after the election, we get the results and all of those states, but stick with the presidential ones that we started with Texas Georgia. Iowa Ohio have gone for Biden. What happened? Well, I think Biden. Then really did win the national popular vote by the double digits You're talking about a huge blue wave election if that's happened. I think in that world non college white voters reverted back to the Democrats a bit relative to Twenty Sixteen College educated white voters continued their trend towards Democrats or at least stayed at the same level I. Think in that world, you'd think that some of these polls showing trump making huge gains among Hispanics maybe those proved wrong and that you kind of saw turnout from the Democrat base black women, for example, that really came through in states like Georgia or states in the south. South Carolina. We were thinking it's. The situation you're describing Galen actually isn't far fetched. Yeah. We give by about a thirty percent chance in Texas but only about a twelve percent chance of trump winning the actual election. So yeah, the situation were describing is more likely than trump actually winning yet sort of a situation where like first of all the race doesn't tighten down the stretch which is always possible but basically, the polls underestimated Democrats, which is as of right now as far as we know just as likely as the pull them other estimating Republicans. Right. We've gained out a number of scenarios in our forecast in. So Biden winning in a landslide to your point Gaylon thirty five and one hundred shot whereas trump right now only has a twelve and one hundred shot of winning the Electoral College. So yeah winning Texas seems a lot more doable trump winning over all at the moment. Interesting. But if we do the reverse, if say we wake up, you know a day after two weeks after or whatever it is election day and trump has one taxes. Iowa. Georgia. An Ohio is act like well, the poll stuck to the ender is that like a comeback story? Well remember as Mike said at the outset here biting doesn't actually need to win those states to win the election. So I think at that point, we already have a sense that the votes going to be delayed in Pennsylvania and some other Midwestern states, and so we probably won't know who won on election night but then I think it could have been biden who one could have been trump one. It's going to be the margin and it will probably be a lot smaller of. If states like Florida and Arizona. are going to trump in trump might actually win the election his odds really depend on winning. Florida. So if he wins for it on election night, that's good for him. CAST more. T for Biden. Yummy, the question is like what is Biden's margin overall right now, national polls have it north of ten percentage point I would not be surprised if the race titans a little bit down the stretch like the generic ballot, for example, is more at about seven or eight percentage points in Democrats favor a now world where the national margin is, let's say seven points then I think you would expect some of these redlining states, Ohio Iowa Texas certainly if even Georgia would be much more of a stretch for Democrats in that world, they need Biden. Winning by double digits I think to really have a good chance in those states. All right. Well, let's leave things there. We will be checking back in on these states as we get down to the wire but thank you Sarah and Mike. Shawl, thank you. Stay Sane. Yes. Likewise likewise my name is Gail Andrew Tony. Child is in the Virtual Control Room Claire Bitter Guy Curtis is on audio editing. 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The Dems will flip two GOP House seats in California

It's All Political

26:20 min | 2 years ago

The Dems will flip two GOP House seats in California

"Welcome to. It's all political the San Francisco Chronicle's political podcast. I'm Joe garafolo, the chronicle senior political writer and today on the podcast we are talking midterms specifically those hot midterm races. Those house races in California that people have been hearing about for more than a year. My guest is the big, man. John wilderness. The veteran chronicle political writer, my colleague and primary at the chronicle. He just spent a lot of time in Orange County, which is the center of the political universe. Yes. Believe it. And I spent some time in the central valley specifically places like pearla and the Destot and then tica which is getting a ton of political attention right now, we talk about the midterms next on it's all political. Hey, guys, Joe here if you like political podcasts, you might like to check out opinion central. That's the one crafted by my buddy, John D S is the editor aerial page editor of the San Francisco Chronicle he and all his pals and the ivory tower here at the chronicle talk to the big newsmakers of the day. They talk about the big issues of the day, and it's really smart and educational, and it's actually fun for being smart educational check it out opinion central on apple podcast or wherever you obtain your podcasts. John wilder. Welcome back to it's all political. Always a pleasure. The big man is in the house. We've spent the last several days in California in parts of California where there are hotly. Contested house races house races. That could flip the congress to the Democrats or leave it in the hands of the Republicans. It's a reminder that the world doesn't end at the bay area. Borders. In fact, we largely irrelevant in this in the house races. You were in southern California, Orange County. Tell us where you were first of all I was in Orange County for three days last week all around in. There's four congressional districts that where Hillary Clinton actually won a majority in two thousand sixteen and they are held by Republicans. And they are Democrats are looking to flip them. So I was in Irvine Costa Mesa Fullerton. Yorba Linda, the whole. Round Robin of beautiful southern California, Orange County. Excellent. And I was in the central valley. I was specifically in the district that is represented by Jeff Dunham. He's a four-term congressman there, and I was in the lovely confines of turlock and Modesto and Banta, which I didn't even know where that was kind of near Tracy, and and Mantica and places like that. Okay. So let's get right to it. What of these four districts down? They're checking out which ones are the most flippable. And which ones are the least flippable probably the ones that the Republicans are most likely lose is California forty nine and that's a it's now going to be an open seat. It's currently held by Republican Darrell Issa, but he announced his retirement he especially announced his retirement after winning reelection by just a couple thousand votes last time, probably. Sided it wasn't worth making a try. But that's a that's a district that straddles. The Orange County San Diego County border and Mike Levin is the democrat running against Diane. Hark is a member of the state board of equalization, and it hasn't gone well for hockey, the she doesn't have the money that Levin has doesn't have the backing and you'd like to say that the Republican party has pulled their support for. But they never had it there in the first place they've old zero they pulled zero that looks like a pretty good democratic pickup. The other districts. There's Harley rotas the democrat running against a long time longtime Republican number fifteen term. Dana Rohrabacher on. That's the coastal runs. All down the coast of Orange County of then. Not one look like, do you think that we're gonna pull that out? The polls are pretty tight. Now. It's an interesting race. Because. Robak is one of kind. I mean, I did I went to event he had with senior citizens Bush bussed in from what used to be leisure world to a cannabis dispensary in Santa Ana where they could look in at their vaporisers and T's and everything else, and he stood up and shook everybody's hand and told them why marijuana should be totally legalized in California. He's been he was out front of marijuana. When it wasn't cool. He is been there for a long time on the other hand. He's also. Tons of stuff involved in the Russian investigation. Purportedly Putin and the Russians have their own code name for him. And he's a one of a kind person and surfer is free. Yes. Who's also in favor of oil rigs off the coast, which would hurt the surfing someone bundle of contradictions. He is. And he's running against Harley rota who's a wealthy former real estate investor, and what's he like as a candidate? Is he have any kind of charisma yet wrote a has a lot of charisma? He's a salesman. Like, he's got a good look to him. He's former Republican who said he turned independent because he didn't agree with the party, and he gets out there. But the problem is is that, you know. Dan, ROY backers been there for fifteen terms thirty years, he grew up in the area. He's known in the area and a lot of people. There are going to find it hard to vote against him. He wins. Last year. He he wins like by double digits. He doesn't even just win. He wins. Like, he's like Barbara Lee winning. You know, like like ten fifteen points every time. Yeah. The problem. He's got though is that he's always one that Wayne is never really faced a hard race. And he hasn't ran money before. And this one is a very hard race. And he is being outraged by the max he hasn't taken in much money. And it's just a matter of who shows up on election day on this one are the Democrats in that district to win. Would it be the Democrats Democrats into there are not enough Democrats to win anything in Orange County? Howsoever? What's been changing a lot in the county is non-par no party preference voters declined to state's independence a lot of the voters. And especially lot of the young voters are moving into that in saying not so many words a plague on both your parties, and these there was a blog post by Mark Baldassare the other day in. In the peop-, the public policy institute of California. And what he said is that these numbers are going berserk as far as declined to state voters go, and that these are in many cases, democrat leaning voters, certainly again, those all those four district went for Hillary and Orange County. It self went for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. There hasn't been a person on the top of the ticket in twenty years. A Republican ticket. They haven't voted for the last time. They voted for a Republican for democrat in a presidential race was Franklin Roosevelt in nineteen thirty six. So it's a sea-change in that county right now. But it's still it's still the racism second, Orange County is still would you found is a fundamentally conservative place. I mean, I it's it's still a place like on statewide ballot measures they on on stuff like plastic bag bans. They, you know, they don't go for all this bay area. It's still a conservative. A lot of conservative people. Sure. But again, this is in your grandfather's, Orange County. I mean, if you look since in just the past, you know, since two thousand the number of Republicans has dropped from forty nine percent to thirty six percent, while the Democrats have gone up a couple of notches. No party preference has gone from fourteen to twenty seven. But the other thing if you look at this stuff is the demographics white and the number of whites in the county since between two thousand and two thousand seventeen dropped from fifty one percent to forty one percent. Latinos have gone up from thirty one to thirty four percent Asians from fourteen to twenty one percent. These are younger voters there in many cases, first time or second time voters, and they are not the the sort of midwest transplants that made Orange County grow and these voters of color, these new voters are they predominantly voting for Democrats. They're predominantly voting for Democrats. They are sure it you get the the people that came over the Vietnamese came over the boat people in the early seventies or late seventies. In many cases, they were strongly anticommunist and that brought them directly to the Republican party. But Democrats in the county are pretty much like Democrats and the rest of our I'm sorry Latinas in the county are pretty much like Latinos and the rest of the state, they they they trend democratic the newer Asian voters also trend democratic a younger voters trend democratic it's tough times for the Republicans statewide and also in Orange County and those for those first generation Vietnamese voters may have been anticommunist and hardline Republican. But their kids are not their kids to large extent of forgotten the Vietnam war like all kids their age and such. So the stuff that was really important. They're folks in this important to them. So we have to other races in Orange County that your checking out down there. One involves it's it's another open seat. And tell us about that Gilles narrow democrat versus young Kim Republican former state assembly, that's the thirty ninth district in its way up in the northern part of the part of the county of Fullerton area Yorba, Linda places like that interesting. It was Ed Royce was the congressman from there for years Republican and he retired this year. Also because one reason is like everybody else he knew he was going to face a tough race, and who needs it young Kim was a an assembly woman for two years and then lost in two thousand sixteen but the real key here is that for twenty years. She was an aide to Royce and worked in his office in in the county. She knows everybody. Everybody knows her. And it's one of those districts where the per gilson's narrows who's running the democrat running against her is trying to tie her desperately to Trump people. They're saying she's Trump's apprentice everything she's always done has been like him. She would be instant vote for him. Whereas when you talk to her she said this election is local people know me, they know I want to do good things for this district. I've been in here a long time. And you know, it's about the stuff that we can get not about the national issues not about Trump. And it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. What do you think what's your calling out one? Do you think that that young Kimble's out? I think probably she does. But the wildcard there in the wild card. Everyone out everywhere else is who shows up on election day. The Democrats are working to get in the what they call the occasional voters the ones that typically only show up a presidential race. These are renters they're young people. They're less wealthy people. And if they can get those out if they can make this turnout general election, turn and not a midterm out. They're in good shape. And we're going to sound like a broken record for the next few minutes talking about turnout and who turns out, but that is the case the track record in term elections is dreadful for for Democrats in general and specifically for people call our young voters. So that's why we keep repeating this. And that's going to be the case all the time. We were we were trying to figure out as everyone else. Is all this enthusiasm. We see on on TV and online and everywhere else have been writing about is that actually translate into votes. It's a it's a hard one to say what the Democrats are hoping is they want it would like to make all these elections about Donald Trump because Donald Trump is, you know, a very unpopular person in California. I mean, if you even Orange County, you know, the numbers are against Trump. So if you can say this person is going to be Donald Trump and a vote for a re a vote for a democrat in one of these midterm races vote against Donald Trump. Well, that's a good thing. They bring those voters out, and they have a real good chance of winning some of these races. However, if it's the same as it always is, you know, midterms go Republican. You have one final race to talk about their which we haven't covered, which is the we hit. This will be the forty forty fifth congressional district where Republican Mimi Walters. His the is in there again favorite of the California Democratic party. She calls herself sisters brother and sister with Kevin McCarthy, the house majority leader. Yes, feels her. She's been it's she's a Republican and she's running as a Republican. What's not going to help her so much is that she is also been a Trump supporter? Total Trump supporter. She's also been. Is on the wrong side of a lot of environmental issues as far as Democrats are concerned has actually been in favor of oil drilling off the Orange County coast, which is one of those things that. That is crosses party lines to a large extent, she's running the democrat minute against her is Katie porter who's a UC Irvine law. Professor, and what's really interesting is. She is a very very progressive UC Irvine law. Professor she's been involved in a lot of consumer consumer actions against the banking industry. And and that and when comma Harris wanted to get the payoff from the banks several years ago for the during the housing crisis. She turned to Katie porter to help her figure out how much the banks should correct, right. But the thing is, okay. Maybe maybe Orange County's ready to elected democrat. But are they really ready to elect a progressive democrat who talks about Medicare for all and everything else like that? And that's the question. Yeah. One of her first endorsements was from Senator Elizabeth Warren, which the Republicans have just handed Vichy, we're at we're in. That was one of her law school professors was Elizabeth Warren and Elizabeth Warren is very they're very close. So you're not sure if Orange County they met maybe transitioning to be more a purple place, but maybe not that blue. Well, what's interesting, though, is that just now this election sure in two thousand sixteen but two thousand eighteen is a presidential election. We're Democrats typically do better and typically bring out the p twenty twenty twenty. I'm sorry, bring out more people and beyond that twenty twenty two is reapportionment. So people are going to be running in new districts that would to an extent certainly represent the the changing forces in Orange County. So if the Democrats win in this this year in November next month, they could hold those seats for an awful long time. And what did you sense before we move on? I just wanted to a couple of words about where I was in denim district. And there you. Have you have one of the factors? You're talking about his running against Trump Josh harder whose former venture capitalist. He grew up in turlock. He spent like six months or so living in San Francisco, but yet he denim calls. Him beary a harder. And he says air Francisco democrat an- Francisco democrat, he denim is essentially running against San Francisco, if if everyone's running try and time people to Trump he's running against Cisco. The commercials are. One of them features harder and Nancy Pelosi and a car spewing money out of the back and L the bay and he has raised a ton of money from the bay area. And at the same time. Denim is taking the so far that when he was asked at a debate a few weeks ago, if he believed that believe that climate change was man made he said, he declined to say that. But he said it was bay area made. Come on, dude. You know, what's interesting. All these candidates have in common for the Democrats. None of them have ever in for office before these are all rookies, and you know, the argument and what they're saying. If you ask them, they all spew the party line, which is after the two thousand sixteen election. I realized I had to get involved and everything, but they're also looking at the part that poll after poll after poll, incumbents aren't popular people do not like Wade government is going Republicans and Democrats alike, and they won't say, let's see new blood. That's what brought Trump in as a matter of fact, and there's no nothing to indicate that the people of changed their views. The you know, I'm always been dubious about people who never had previous office holding experience. Let me not so much for for a house seat. But when you get the Senate and certainly running for president or governor, you'd wanna see someone who knows the biz. At some level. But that's out the window now. And this is gonna be a real test to see if know. It's sort of another. Effect of the Trump presidency. Just one other thing to add is they may be rookies at running for office. But they have just raised absolutely amazing amounts of money. I mean when race we haven't talked about Andrew Janse who's running in Fresno area against the Republican Devin Nunes has raised more than four million dollars, and that's an incredible amount for any congressional race. And it's even more for race where he is the longest of longshots to take out a very popular Republican. I want to make a quick note of racist. We're not discussing here, and we're not gonna be writing about because they are look less flippable, shall we say what of them would be the Januzzi as race. Another would be the valejo TJ Cox race where the Democrats have pulled money from that. And the other one is the fiftieth with Duncan Hunter, Duncan Hunter. Running down there even though he's under indictment. It's such a strong Republican district that it's very very hard for a democrat to make inroads. And when we haven't mentioned is the twenty fifth congressional district on the very edges of of the desert areas of Los Angeles County, where democrat Katie hill is running against Republican Steve Knight, and that should be very close rate. That will be a close race. We're brought writing about this. And we're also not writing about Tom McClintock, which he looks like he's going to be reelected against Jessica Morris, another first time candidate, and so we we will not be discussing this. And if they come in and win, well, well, we will be eating crow right here. Okay. So what did you see? We we've heard about all this grassroots energy. I certainly saw it in in terms of all places three hundred sixty nine people gathering for just one of the canvassing expeditions going on there. This a lot of the the swing left. The local groups the Democratic Party all these people. There was tons of volunteers there to go knock on doors and turlock, and again, many of these people as congressman Dan would be fun to pointing out we're from the bay area. What did you see in Orange County in terms of that kind of grassroots energy? Well, which certainly saw were a lot of young people in I went to rallies, and by Cisneros and Katie porter, and they had a lot of young people there a lot of them working phones. It wasn't a wasn't a walk day. But a lot of were a lot of them were doing the work that needs to be done around the headquarters you on I was at a Rohbock event, and what he had at this one at least was a storefront and Laguna gal. But he had the head of the that's that's pricey store. That's pricey storefront. But what he had was the head of the Republican National Committee. He had Jim Breuil t the head of the state Republican party and a lot of leaders like that. But when you look inside it was a lot older crew. A lot of people that had been doing this for a long time. A lot of what you would call old Orange County. And you know, it's old white mostly white people. Yeah. Though, I don't like the old saying older older mature. Yes, mature again. It was a very different vibe. And it was they were making the call. Sure and everything else like that. But it just felt different. It felt very much. Like the sort of stuff you'd seen in years before. And they wasn't the same bus load that went to the dispensary. They didn't take them back after that to make calls. I didn't actually be some some good calls. One call for someone would stay on a call for like hours just one person just chatting just chatting. All right. If you had to this is one of the final weeks of by the way, there's a good time to plug are stories that will be running and Sunday chronicle. And so after that after the stories appear they'll be one weekend left before election day, if you were to make one suggest people make one road trip, whether you're publican or a democrat where would you go to affect change in a house race, eighteen Republican or democrat? I think I would send him to Jeff denims district down in down in the central valley road trip to Modesto, absolutely. Because you know, that's one thing. We're turn out is absolutely going to shape it. I mean two years ago. He ran a close race against a candidate that wasn't as well funded and in situation that wasn't as democrat leaning is today. So it's one they definitely have to hang onto not remember one thing. We haven't mentioned is that the reason this is important is because if Democrats can turn twenty three seat. It's anywhere in the United States anywhere across the country. They take control of the house, and they make Donald Trump's life miserable for the next two years with investigations and everything else if Republicans can hold them to even one lesson that twenty two they've still got control. So every single one of these races is maker break for the parties. So if I'm a democrat, or if I'm a Republican that wants wants to make a change in wants to do something you have to go out and try and knock on doors and everything else. So if you're a betting man, and I know you are you are horse player sends parallel. If you how many seats would you bet what's the over under? We'll go with the we'll go with gambling terms. What's the over under on seats that Democrats will flip in California towards those Twenty-three? I'd say two. Agree with you too in if it was three or if it was one it wouldn't surprise me. But I, you know, talk their talk about well, we have seven seats that we're going to take and maybe three others that would that would be a change. Yes. But that that seems change that likely isn't going to happen, right? I think the person making that change might have been at the dispensary. Dana. All right. Big, man. Thank you so much for being on. Always glad we will see we will return again election night. I'm sure in this in this small room with the seventeen people around the table and talking about how we were wrong. How about how we were wrong? I'd like to thank you for listening to today's podcast. And and you've got some travel tips about where to go on your your weekend adventure to canvas. And thank the big, man. John wilder for being my guest today at like the end of the as the chronicles managing editor for digital for producing this podcast because whether you're in Modesto or your Belinda, it's all.

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Thats Chairman Schitt to you.

Pod Save America

54:12 min | 2 years ago

Thats Chairman Schitt to you.

"For example Jack Welsh for example wearing dirty sweat pants and a heavy metal t shirt on casual Friday not smart that's Ziprecruiter the presenting sponsor of pod Save America is Ziprecruiter. There's certain universal rules when it comes to succeed in business what are they ziprecruiter dot com slash crooked array of John was thank you Julia Julia thank you for that and also for Thanksgiving Danae or going to answer all of your questions or some of your questions this afternoon and then that episode will be up on Thursday. Okay let's get to the news news and the nearly two weeks since the election Democrats have now officially gained thirty seven seats in the house or likely to pick up you'll hear from Congressman Adam Schiff the incoming chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and the latest targeted Donald Trump's ir Welcome NEPAD Save America I'm John Severin I'm John Lovett I'm Tommy Vitor later in the higher in right now is a great time to try Ziprecruiter for free at Ziprecruiter dot com slash crooked we even get credit wow so today that's ziprecruiter dot com slash crooked one more time speaker of the House I love it or leave it that's still happening lover leave it is on a much needed break we'll be back after thanksgiving for runner shows in December powerful matching technology skins thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job and actively invite them to apply ziprecruiter the smartest way to blue for the first time since the nineteen thirties how about guys and how Democrats get it done John thanks to Julia from what I'm about to say the seven Republican held house districts in the state that voted for Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen also known as the crooked seven the original crooked seven Orange County is now completely always appreciate it I think a few things are important about the the crooked seven one we had great candidates who were well matched their district Katie Porter compelling story what do you call a crazy dance party when they serve craft beer instead of club drugs they call it a Bruce President trump and then this week going to talk to someone who monitors right wing extremists for living which sounds like a very hard dark job and I'm excited to learn about that'll be an excellent ethical what actually by the time you hear this yeah who knows three back we're also going to talk about the latest mid-term results because two thousand eighteen election that never ends and we're going to talk about the race about thirty eight when Alison done that's the best democratic midterm performance since the early seventies we've also won the popular vote by seven point seven percent and counting it could hit nine percent by the time there's a great episode up right now that you can download ever- Evergreen in our hearts well tell me what about The world owes at their the world does last week the world has retreated -Fornia Dan counting that would be the largest midterm margin by either party and over forty years one particularly funding for US Californians Democrats have now won six unlike other job sites Ziprecruiter doesn't wait for Canada find you find them for you it's rated number one by employers in the US that's from hiring sites on trust pilot with over one thousand reviews why Ziprecruiter's away a tour of the world's news with Ben Rhodes and then we dug deep with an expert from CSIS but North Korea's nuclear weapons program and how they're cheating on the non agreement we made it for any of them won their primaries it's credit new groups like swing left credits the d triple c and invisible yeah indivisible like made this a priority early identified an opportunity he and then went after it and then you know I mean you also have to talk about like there was changing demographics in the state in these districts that I think helped us have a better chance of winning this time around I was thinking it doesn't help any of these candidates that Kevin McCarthy push some of them off a cliff by making them vote against Obamacare all of president trump right and president trump jammed through this tax bill that hurt people in California so we could make tax argument against a bunch of Republicans which was a new feeling yeah every it's surprised by that a bunch of Republicans came out and voted for Democrats and we knew this. Tommy we were in Harley Rudas district that last Sunday that was a an especially Republican district in a row Barca's district just push them all off the cliff with us you're right the the demographics have really changed a lot of these counties but the other thing that's important one of the reasons that that we one these are single one voted against ACA repeal because they're about twenty Republicans in the House who didn't and these people had to know they were in danger but Kevin McCarthy the new minority leader you can have a registration edge they there's more registered Republicans and Democrats and Republicans didn't stay home they came out to vote but they voted for Democrats and you know that's something to see the reason and a lot of them are going to want to vote for Harley Rueda which by the way they were only able to do expand the world of their program because so many people were volunteering worry fought the big banks Katie Hill as well matched hardly Rueda as early investment in that is a credit to the listeners this show who were given money the crickets Evan even mind that we were able to persuade a lot of people which is important and before we move on there's also an outside shot the Democrats may sweep all of the crooked seven races in the California Democrat. TJ Cox only two thousand ballots behind Republican Representative David Validation and even though most networks called the race pretty much all of them call the race a lot of the forecast astor's like five thirty seven Dave Wasserman those folks are now moving the race back to south there are about thirty thousand ballots left with the next update expected on Wednesday concession that quote democracy failed Georgia and an interview on Sunday Jake tapper she refused to say that Kemp was quote the legitimate governor elect only the legal governor elect amazing to me class it's going to be very very close it's certainly going to be closer than almost any of the polling that one was written off early they thought that you know Velayo had a huge lead and all the polls and when they had US knocking on a bunch of doors they said it was they told the volunteers to go knock they're like look you're all going to have lists with a bunch of Republicans don't be scared about that for a reason eh elsewhere because this the tax law was written to punish California it was written to punish high tax states it was a A reward for states that the machine recount Andrew Gillum only picked one vote and on Saturday he conceded to run to Fantas Florida Democratic Senator Bill Nelson conceded his incredibly tight Senate race to outgoing Republican Governor Rick Scott on Sunday after the manual recount Shrunk Scott's lead from twelve thousand votes to about ten thousand votes not enough to give him the win and then Stacey Abrams who stood to become the nation's first black woman at obey their conservative ideology so it's not surprising that Republicans were not on board all right let's talk about the other high profile races that have now been called after coming close enough to demand governor acknowledged on Friday that her opponent Brian Kemp would be quote certified as the Victor Ending her search to find an efforts to reduce Kemp's lead force a runoff she did say her speech was not false call for unity but instead she talked about the unfairness of the way Brian Kemp Randy's elections and pledged to seek legal re- and and there was no shot they're so very very exciting it's interesting about the tax cuts too because obviously they didn't campaign on the tax cuts as much as they claimed they did and certainly they had one more of these seats they would have been saying they want on the dice got message but it was a bad message everywhere they tried it is especially bad in states high tax states like California New York in the media and one of the things that we disagreed with a little bit at the time was my view was that no one in politics is good at talking about these kinds of situations you pointed out that the fact that president trump was accused of sexual assault by dozens of women is wiped away by winning election it is not we will never forget and I think that's what was so great about stacy that game but this is what it sounds like it was fascinating because it was something different it was refusing to simply pretend all the things we said before the election weren't true just because it would in the run-up to the election and we were saying that if this election is close and Brian Kemp exit out with the help of votes oppression and these sort of illegitimate tactics it's going to be real test for Democrats and she told CNN that the law as it stands says that he received an adequate number of votes to become the governor of Georgia but we know sometimes the law does not do it it should and something being legal doesn't make it speeches it was tough and it was honest and she was blunt about how angry she was and how she felt cheated in robbed in this process and there was not some right what did you guys think of Stacey Abrams non concession speech I think Governor says a great job you know we talked about this the media is often the biggest practitioner of once the election is over pretend all the illegitimacy is pretend all the problems and they never happened for the sake of decorum and moving the volunteers for the first time which was great but there's a lot of friends the potty shut up yeah but so the demographics change we had a lot more democratic voters in these but look in most of the and a lot of these counties smart in so deliberate with her words she was the same way with Jake like she knows what she thinks and she's not GonNa let you corner her into saying something she doesn't believe you know rich lowry the state of Georgia were purged from the roles tens of thousands of others had their votes you know not counted because of some ridiculous signature program that was judged by forum undermines democracy because you reward the abuses that led to it so all this effort to say there's an equivalence between Donald trump saying there were three million fakes votes and Tapa by going this route I will say I believe that her speech and the words that she chose very carefully where very different from what it'd be easier and smoother to just move forward Tommy would you think yeah winning doesn't make you right you know I mean and then that's one of the great frustrations in politics like I think sometimes people act like she said as the law stands of course he is the legal governor of Georgia but what she wanted to doing that speech is rightly attention to the fact that a million citizens in that state wind tomography it's only something that undermines democracy when the allegation isn't true pretending the problem doesn't exist for the sake of unity or or or D and it's a hard thing to talk about because it would be in some sense more graceful to just accept it and move on and you know the intellectuals and bones that behind trump and clean up the kind of things that he say well they'll say well you know you all praised Martha mcsally when she conceded and yet now you're praising Stacey Abrams for refusing MARV you said it showed a lack of grace because she wouldn't concede jake asked her you know are you worried that you're undermining faith in democracy copper this is course and talked about how she was going to build organization to fix it in the future I mean I think like it was a remarkable speech yeah she's a great speaker and speak all the time we and she's so and questions about vote suppression Russian interference and propaganda and Stacey Abrams pointing out legitimate differences is as always an effort to say see you're just as bad as we are our but that even Democrats at time have ceded to that kind of politics and what was fascinating is this was an example and things I have no idea what it sounds like when a Democrat doesn't play incompetent buffoon Brian Kemp systematically tried to disenfranchise people and didn't give them right to vote voting wait times of any state in two thousand sixteen and it got worse in two thousand eighteen so he either sucks at his job or he did this deliberately deliberately in neighborhoods a random poll workers right like there's all kinds of a federal judge found was lacking right Brian camp is the legitimate winner of an illegitimate process unrolls yes and I will also say that she chose her words so carefully and she also made sure that our argument about this wasn't entirely partisan she to do the same thing that Ma Ma that McNally did it's it's a trick of course because the act of saying an election result is in some way tainted does not undermine the data we are yes her comments were careful documented specific backed up by multiple judge's rulings and critical that lean democratic to help himself win an election I believe strongly that there's a lot of evidence that it was the latter including his effort to purge many many many African American voters since the mistakes clearly altered the outcome representative gas away Republican in a heavily Republican district had to go to court to force a fair fight and he won in court so she's trying to lay case that this Donald Trump has done what Marco Rubio Don Rick Scott I mean she first of all she also said in that speech I will pray for the success of Brian Kemp that he will indeed be a leader for all Georgian December fourth guys why is this race so important because he will oversee the voting process next time and he will get to decide whether we're gonNA invest in things that make it easier yeah we believe the rules were unreasonable we believe that there is evidence that in a partisan way he said about making sure that the election was tilted in favour and in a close election that means the result is tainted every indication is that Stacey Abrams fair and square in an election where everybody knew the rules beforehand and they weren't unreasonable that's the trick right and they weren't unreasonable we disagree in Georgia as well so extremely important if we have a John Baron there a Democrat who was pledging to oversee elections in a nonpartisan. Sorry that Stacey Abrams probably would have won if that investment into Kurt and also the the racist he'll oversee now the twenty twenty presidential race in Georgia zippy this is for the US Senate where Senator Cindy Hyde Smith lead over Democratic challenger Mike espy has narrowed significantly in recent days trump's planning to devote the give people more access to voting if we're GONNA invest in more you know pulling locations so you don't have four point five hour waiting times or not and I think most people we the man she ran against oversaw the election and we know that Georgia had to ordered fourteen polling places Close Down Twenty twelve Georgia had the second in his rich earlier this year in the republican state legislative primary of Dan Gas away under the direction of Secretary of State Counties issued flawed ballots and not for the first time and not just there but in that in May mean that he won according to the rules but the rules aren't right and she has an obligation to say that and you may disagree with this but it is not the same as praising Martha mcsally and it is not the same as we asked some districts they're more volunteers than residents in the distribution which I think you were Katie Hills district thousands of people in line a lot of people chockablock attention the visits TV ads to ads get it all enjoy enjoy it you'll be taking Missouri's place in that vaunted all of a truly bizarre comments she made about how if a supporter of hers invited her to a public lynching she would sit in the front row I don't I would be much closer than any presidential race in Georgia has been ever and or at least in in recent decades and also the twenty twenty Senate race because sunny producer fairway unlike Brian Kemp did when he was running for the office. Welcome Georgia to the special hall where we keep our swing states yeah so you know I think Barrow is probably a little bit behind in that but you know if he relies on Stacey Abrams field organization which is probably the best field organization the state's ever seen get the joke I don't get the reference I don't know why the fuck you would say that in Mississippi or anywhere else but and then she made a second quote unquote joke where she thirty eight percent of the Population Mississippi and democratic strategists estimate that sp only needs about thirty percent of the white vote to win in that state. I'm great how she compares so one way we can fight voter suppression in the future in Georgia is by helping John Barrow when his runoff for Georgia Secretary of state we are sort of collecting fundraising for the runoffs and races that are still out there and recounts which now is basically Georgia's secretary of State and Mike Espy is Mississippi and there are few who are like you know I thought about voting ferber now I'm not sure you know so it's clear that the race has narrowed a little bit that the tough part is this is a state that trump carried by eight so go to vote dot com slash donate Abrahams lead and I'm going to Be Campaigning for her continuously forever because this election is not over hey if African American turnout is high in votes margins that they have in the past so it's definitely possible doable it's definitely possible Alabama if you WANNA help John Elevate is currently enshrined in the constitution and just not really being followed all the you know the the rich lowry argument against Abrams this is how he sort of this is I think the summation of his like you've been accusing his lawyer election dealing the election dude repeatedly with no evidence what are you four Marco Rubio or like trump sixty now the democratic party has in as as well has been for a while Democratic Party put a bunch of money in there as well guys is Mike chance here I do not know eighteen points in two thousand sixteen so we all know that the what the hill is that we're climbing but on the on the side for hope here African American voters make up all to rallies in Mississippi in the days leading up to the November twenty seven th runoff to shore up support at should be a good time the Republican Party's all in the NRA C. 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If you don't love you stuff just send it back visit pairs you dot com slash crooked this black Friday through cyber Monday when we say it one more time to do it for twenty percents off parachutes premium I think there's a generational argument that we swept in this new group of young dynamic diverse interesting lawmakers that the leadership as currently constituted does not reflect guys what's the what's the argument being made by Seth Moulton and other House Democrats who oppose Pelosi and is it a good one I think the argument is served multifaceted WH- Donald Trump did or uneasy insinuations that that's the case she's out there saying don't recognize him as governor go protest and she's not doing any of that you know it was it was it was shorter since it's highly likely that no Republicans will vote for her so far sixteen Democrats have signed a letter saying they oppose her and about sixty nine or undecided and I'm sure and you know he doesn't care about using time effectively and the thing is he goes and then the Republican wins by a point to get to say that he did a boy who every wants the most I think the second argument is not a very effective one because we just took back the house overwhelmingly that's the other piece of that is I don't think we should let a bunch of Republican live that people challenge other leaders for the positions in power I you know Pelosi certainly did fifteen years ago when she first became and determine our strategy they're going to attack whomever they decided to attack and they always will I also think you know we need strong leadership for the next couple of years the amounts to I'm also sympathetic to the argument that she has not allowed for younger leaders to rise up and to create a bench and so she's kind of being that he or she would run against policy though Ohio's Marcia Fudge a former chair of the congressional black caucus says she's weighing around Just so you all know how the a chance to talk about the big race for Speaker of the House current minority leader Nancy Pelosi who served as speaker from two thousand seven to twenty eleven tough tough race for speaker leaders having important roles within the caucus but right now the fact that she has agreed to say I will be a transitional leader does for me everything I need representation a diverse changing America represented in this new caucus that that is going to be elected to hold trump accountable and our person standing at the helm is some peg none of the ones that are important to state of the country none of the none of the big issues this is it this is where Marco Rubio means is Stan unbelievable how do you not slip through a sewer grate you're so tiny you can argue that Speaker Pelosi is one of the best speakers in history I do understand the desire for new leadership and I don't I don't find it offensive ah you can just you just need the narcissistic answer according to Republicans who are coated in background on pieces we can't vet this they say that Hyde Smith's lead has gone down in the last few days in part because in the beginning the work of holding hearings beginning the work of putting out a legislative agenda and that doesn't mean just going along with what Pelosi wants but it does mean having this fight now getting concession the minority whip with the time so you know but I also think you need to put someone forward and say X. Individual will do the job better than policy and I've never I'm a big defender and believer Nancy Pelosi but I felt it for the first time on election night watching her speak and it was like wait a second we just ushered in a new Congress we just assured in a ton of her to do to assuage my concern about the fact that there does need to be new leadership and right now what I want is for Democrats to come together not in unity behind Nancy Pelosi but in unity of purpose and that's been around for a long time and and it was the first time I actually felt some sympathy for the argument that says we need new leadership because we need new leadership which is I think a lot of what the critics the youth in diversity and excitement I think there's another ARGUMENT THAT PELOSI GETS tied Democrats in elections and thus hurts the party and from the leadership as it exists right now and then make a decision to move forward together unless somebody steps up which it doesn't seem like there will be yeah I guess my view on this is it's fine if you wanted Kurds in American history and probably the best speaker of the house in half a century if she were a man should be more recognized as such that said I felt it for the first time actually because there is no alternative right now I am very interested in more progressive members of the caucus pushing her pushing on things like pay-as-you-go and getting those kinds of concessions I'm interested in progressive that argument made and until you do I think plus you be the Best Speaker Yeah love it what do you think so I do believe Nancy Pelosi is one of the greatest boarded for her failure as a leader right because there is no obvious successor to her she gets to be speaker in part because she did not create the conditions for other people to rise up that said you know what else isn't smart what job boards that overwhelming with tons of the Rung Resumes Chair you know it is smart y. using Ziprecruiter dot com slash credit to get qualified candidates fast The upshot doing that two weeks we talk we haven't talked about sixty eight tweets I ate tweet sixty eight tweets and what the look clumsy it's a little clumsy some of it is based like I think if you WanNa make an argument and you want to sort of rally people argument has to be based around is there an issue challenge Nancy Pelosi but I don't think they have made a very good argument I don't really know what the arguments like Tommy probably made it better than they have so far Isis strategy and I respect him for speaking out about that he raised a ton of money to support veterans running for office you know like he's been very forward leaning on this issue the fact that she is one of the most effective speakers we've ever had in the party we would not have the affordable care act today if it weren't for Nancy Pelosi she can whip votes having all of us haven't been in the White House and seen this I also think it seems likely that Pelosi would want to use this new exciting dynamic group of people and put them four issues for example in two thousand and six Harry Reid you can go further the house bill went further the house bill had the public option the house bill was a more liberal version it was only in her incredibly sophisticated dealings with the Senate we're and we're policy shines is being tactician being strategist figuring out how to legislate that's what a speaker of the house should do and that's what she does very well at South Molton for for criticizing Pelosi I mean he's I like Seth Moulton I think he's a good progressive he was critical of Obama about Iraq and I do I I totally agree with the transitional the transitional speaker thing and she might be able to close this whole deal and and end this whole fight by just sixteen to two thousand eighteen and that it's not like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer will be the faces and voices of the Democratic Party out there on every issue because we will have about and so you know and that'll be a whole nother conversation like who seems new change progressive among all those candidates but that's the other thing too that doesn't bother me ship again this isn't just a critique of Nancy Pelosi like Steny hoyer her number two he seventy-nine Jim Clyburn number three he's they've been there for a long long time like you the issue so I think she will probably do that and on that note we have to remember that twenty eighteen to twenty twenty is going to be much different than twenty ah sitting around for thirty years until you have real power not very compelling so if you're young and in Bishop maybe you seek another path that said I think you gotta just that four hundred and fifty six people running for president and the presidential candidates will be out there and they will be talking about the vision for the Party and the future and stuff like that even after we lost a seat in the Senate that we managed to pass the affordable care act at all she also passed a climate bill which the Senate never got done strongest climate bill the Democrats have ever passed yeah I mean there is some truth to this idea that Democrats assigned committee chairmanships based on longevity which makes if you're a young dynamic member or like a beddoe roar actually saying all right on this day or at least around this date I will you know I'll cede my speakership to someone else one thing I don't totally get the anger he likes the number two number three number four sort of part of this new generation of Democrats were coming in you know so it's not just policy but again all of that said no one is challenging she can whip votes like no one else and not only on on on the affordable care act specifically I think there's been some people criticizing her because the verbal character go far enough she was part of the establishment but I don't know that we should question his motives there I think people in politics fight for power that's what happens all that I agree with that I mean I think this is where we put out Barack Obama in made him the key voice on ethics and lobbying reform because they knew Brock Obama could get pressed they knew that Sunday shows would want to book him and it helped us dry what about like when you were saying Lebanon election you know that she's giving that speech and of course like Nancy Pelosi is the one you turn to on the Democratic side that actually won't happen that often yeah over the next to you the on gun control was fair no I don't think Tim Ryan has been a particularly effective messenger on this issue for a while so yeah I mean they if they want to win they need to do better but hardees you like you said it is fine to challenge someone if you challenge someone's you'd probably have a good strategy for a great strategy but I think everyone has an and it's not I mean Seth Moulton is the face of it right now but there's a bunch of Democrats who were just elected to the house who we all love and rent and fought for gets to you know reporters pundits a lot of people on twitter everyone everyone is like let's get the Democrats in disarray headline let's show worked for that are also said they wouldn't vote for her because they said in the campaign right Abigail Span Burger from Virginia who is great you know I I don't think that sets criticism safe blue districts who aren't as progressive would we think of this good idea bad idea yeah good I mean like I'm fine with it you know what I mean it's also a right to try yeah completely and I will I have done exactly zero hand-wringing about the fact that we're having this fight right now this is when you have like Democrats shouldn't be having a fight right now the election is news before we move on on Saturday representative elect Alexandria Akhazia Cortez said that she'll be supporting a new campaign to my primary challenges against incumbent Democrats it's like first of all saying you're going to do that isn't the same as doing so I think people should wait to get mad until they're actually a whole bunch of primary challenges running but just talking about this is likely to achieve part of her what about that I also applaud her for being incredibly strategic about this right she's again the key here is challenges primary challenges in safe blue it's about changes in leadership and stuff like that and then we can all argue about that when it gets super personnel that's when that's when we have problems okay one more piece of house related now I think he's a very positive thing there the fight is good I just think it's like when you have the fight and I believe this for Democrats as we go into twenty twenty ideally the Pfizer about issues who might be out there fighting for Medicare for all fighting for green new deal fighting for all kinds of progressive issues and maybe they might win some of those fights maybe they won't because a lot of the rest of the caucus district's she's not going around to some purple and Red District and saying let's possibly cost ourselves the seat because we want you know even that like if again if it's a primary based on issues we should have Democrats have retake power now but a lot of the assumptions Democrats have made over the past decade led to a route of our party This is the debate we want to about the safety of these seats long-term right I mean what happens when a more progressive candidate challenges and incumbent Democrat in a safe lucy is one of two things either this is fine I'm not worried about it was interesting as I I saw the way it was tweeted about two and then I saw what it was which is again what a surprise one year and three hundred and sixty two it's okay I guarantee you we're not going to lose a single vote in November of two thousand twenty because of the argument we're having right now if anything having the argument now and having the fight right and tweeted about it sounded like was going door to door in the capital trying to throw people out like you get the fuck out of here it's town now you know have and primaries are in bad if you're worried about a primary means you're worried about a democratic candidate having to defend the position they've taken to the Party itself and I am not fine we already have seen the results of what happened here in two thousand eighteen there were number of primary challengers like her that did this and I don't know we had the best democratic performs still is in purple and red states where they have more conservative that's the way politics works yeah it's very strategic one of the things I liked about it is you know trump calls it a swamp is everyone is taking their job very seriously but they're not letting someone else tell them what the job is you know and I think one of the problems Democrats have had is there's just this idea of this is how things are done this is the way my predecessor did it this way I'm going to do it and what's exciting is in part because Donald trump became president in part because the party you're the incumbent wins because the incumbent ends up being pushed to the left on some of these issues or the Challenger wins and either way now we have a representative who might be for who goal which is to push lawmakers to the left and if you think that you live in a liberal district and you have a a a member who's too moderate for you the way Joe Crowley was then uh-huh and then you realize like she did a call with progressive saying this isn't about any one person this is about this is about electing the kind of people we believe this is like a completely reasonable thing to do this is the and the authorities that were saying this is how it's done where so laid low there's this new generation coming in Washington and not just showing up not just showing up and trying to learn how things are done but this is what I believe in love who is the lifeguard in that scenario in Congress too bad the American people and we're on duty and you know what for a long time

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Tommy Vietor: The Ball Has Moved on Impeachment

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Tommy Vietor: The Ball Has Moved on Impeachment

"I'm Heather Knight host of San Francisco City insider. You'll hear bigwigs in one of the world's most fascinating cities talk about the most important issues including where they get their favorite Burrito Lido that San Francisco city insider welcome to its political the San Francisco Chronicle's political podcast. I'm Joe Garafolo the chronicle senior political writer and today in the podcast we have one of the CO hosts of pods have America Tommy Vitor you may also know that he was President Obama's national security spokesman so we're talking to him about what's going on in Ukraine what's going on in Iran and an overview of foreign policy but then we get into the hard stuff about the Democratic presidential primary. Tommy shares his views on that ever. Remember the he's endowed L. because the there's going to be a pod America show in San Jose on Thursday. We talk a little bit about that. Tommy Detour next on it's all political hi I'm Greg Thomas Travel Editor at the San Francisco Chronicle and host of the wild. West podcast if you like getting into the outdoors and exploring California wild west is a great lesson tune into here exclusive interviews with the world's top adventure athletes like rock climber. Alex handled who came onto talk through his incredible edible free solo climbing El Capitan. Yosemite big part of the film is like the whole love story with my girlfriend and all that but I hadn't even met her when we started listening. Wherever you get your podcasts wild west I the tar welcome to it's all political and welcome to the phone cords to your former city of San Francisco. Thank you it's so great to be back. I I Miss San Francisco I really do what would you miss about it. What do you Miss About San Francisco now that you're ensconced in. La I mean a cup Beenleigh Beenleigh. I miss my friends. I had a really really great group of friends that I met there. A lot of them were recent recently nude the city so oh it was great just hanging out and getting another place together. I miss you know driving up to Sonoma's the weekend and coming back to the same day and be an easy and it's one of the prettiest cities in the world so what's not to miss you exactly all right. Let's talk about the more serious and pressing issues like the Ukraine sure so for those that don't know you spent four years as President Obama's national security spokesman. You've been in the situation room. You know what's going on here. let's talk a little bit about what we should be concerned about here. President trump has reportedly eight times asked Ukrainian president to launch investigation into Joe Biden Biden son Hunter and his business ties the Ukraine this is happening at the same time that trump has control two hundred fifty million dollars in aid to the Ukraine and and what has some people freaking out that he's with could be potentially was halt withholding this money an attempt to convince Ukraine to investigate by potentially his chief rival. No this Tommy Spa. This is not illegal correct but it is certainly unethical. Why should we care about this. I'm not sure that it's not illegal. I mean it's he's kind of holding them ransom. So let's let's do this step back context which is just to remind everybody that in two thousand fourteen the Russians invaded parts of Ukraine both the Crimean Peninsula and then parts of eastern Ukraine and that territory is still occupied side by Russian proxy forces or the Russian government today and there's fighting happening everyday so the Ukrainian government Ukrainian people look to the West into the United States for support and they also know damn well how we are trump's relationship with LADIMIR Putin so they're hearing they're getting these weird messages out of Washington. Sometimes time from trump himself who was reportedly cancelled personally decided to cancel a meeting with the president of Ukraine Presence Alinsky they're hearing hearing from Rudy Giuliani who just banging around in our foreign policy saying that he wants an investigation into the Biden family and then they're hearing that that two hundred and fifty million dollars in military aid from the United States to Ukraine has been frozen so they of course think that those things are connected did for them. This is deadly serious. I mean this is that they would use on the battlefield Tamara and so but again why should we be concerned about this as voters looking looking at it you should be concerned about the president states using taxpayer dollars to hold hostage another country until they dig up dirt on his political opponents and you should be concerned about president who is so indifferent to the fact that he's providing military aid to a country that might use it to kill people in another country that he would just mess around like this and make it about himself. I mean that that suggests an attitude towards foreign policy towards national security towards people in Ukraine towards our relationship with Russia. That is just so wildly irresponsible that I can't think of any president in history dewitt. Does this move the ball all an impeachment in any way as we've see hearing shift talk about eight years wow now this is. This is moving me on this. Where do you see this moving. The impeachment the discussion for Democrats. I do do think that the ball has moved on impeachment shifts said over the weekend that this very well may have crossed the Rubicon in terms of impeachment. Pelosi has been just just absolutely Dagahaley against impeachment to date it did seem like she sent a message to her caucus over the weekend that they'll investigate this latest iteration of trump's you know corruption and see if that might move towards impeachment. I think the key point here though is that trump made this call to the president of Ukraine where he you know held him hostage he dug up dirt on the Biden family the day after Robert Mueller testified testified before Congress. He cares so little about accountability. He thinks he is so invincible that he was willing to do this. The day after Muller testified lied about his obstruction of justice charges in all the nefarious things campaign did in terms of trying to work with Russia to get dirt on Hillary Clinton so I think it's is really important and the the people that I'm GonNa be watching here about how they move are some of the folks who the the Freshman Congress members of Congress who do one very narrow district's in California. We're talking Katie. Hill down your way now in suburban Los Angeles Josh Harder and TJ Cox in the Central Valley Alley. These are the people who have not come out against impeachment this. How does impeachment do why do voters care about this in Hell. Why are these Democrats hesitant to move on it. You know it's a good question. I mean look to date. The impeachment. Conversation has been largely a discussion about the things that were investigated by the Special Counsel Robert Muller Right. This is a whole new set of issues. This is the pricing the United States using taxpayer dollars to extort a foreign country to dig up dirt on his rival so in some ways. We need to reset the conversation. Now you're right that there are some moderate freshman congressmen that have not come out in favor of impeachment or sort of waiting and seeing. I think they're look. None of us know how the politics are going to are go on this. There's a there's a chance that voters here about the Democratic Party impeaching the president and they don't like it in a hurt us politically. I just think that when you have a president United States that has just acted with complete impunity who continues to just brazenly you know use the office for personal gain we have to draw a line in the sand we have to push back at some point or it's just going to get worse and worse and worse and this isn't about Joe Biden Haydn Riley. I'm not talking to you as Biden supporter. This is going to happen to whichever person gets the nomination on the Democratic side trump knows that he and Rudy Giuliani can go on TV and they can make any wild allegation and that Fox News will cover it ad nauseam until forty percent of the country believes that it's true and so we need to we need to check him and needs to happen as soon as possible and we should say that there has been no evidence that bind has done anything illegal on behalf of his the sun in this case moreover. It's not just that there's no evidence it biden did anything wrong what Joe Biden was doing was pushing for a prosecutor later in Ukraine to be fired because that individual was broadly seen as corrupt the the the US most of the European countries the IMF half the World Bank. It was a consensus position among all those parties that this top prosecutor in Ukraine should go because he was seen as corrupt and so if Joe Biden earnings going over to Ukraine to deliver that message he's not freelancing that is a decision that's made during a full meeting of the President's national security staff the the Secretary of Defense as Secretary of state. Tell me everybody is vetting these decisions and they're coming to them together and then Biden is the messenger because he someone who can deliver a message passage on behalf of the White House and so like these allegations are so absurd on their face now. I have no idea what Hunter Biden did or didn't do in his business career. That's a sub story to me. In terms of like I do feel like we're back in down some rabbit hole in the two twenty sixteen campaign where the fact of Russia interfering to Steal Hillary Clinton's emails in defeat. Her campaign was not treated as a bigger story Ori than the fact that she used a PRI- private server. Somehow those are treated as equivalent in this case. It's like Joe. Biden did nothing wrong in fact he was trying to push for more accountability and transparency in root out corruption and and the trump campaign the trump the White House. He's using his office to attack his opponent. I mean it's like I. I hope there's no false equivalents in the way we talk about this in the future exit well how should Democrats which did they learn from that 2016 experience dance where it became look at the emails versus versus something else whitten. What should they learn an how to handle this politically and how how to how to explain this is a complex story. How did they explain this in a short succinct way so they don't fall back into that rabbit hole as they didn't twenty sixteen. Yeah I mean I think you you have to explain that. Trump is is using your money in the power of his office for Personal Gain and to fabricate dirt on arrival and that's why they need to move to impeachment because what I think I think trump understands. Is that if you're worried about being accused of collusion if you're worried about being accused of corruption he's he's going to accuse his opponent of the same thing. I saw it turns into an I'm rubber. You're glue situation and it's just a money wash right so yes. He's always yeah political staple. Yes exactly so he's always on offense. He's always attacking and Democrats. Get on the defensive because we feel like a attack like this. One is just so absurd on its face it so you know the non factual on its face that the media will do our job for us and and make sure the American people have the understanding of what's true. That's not how it's going to play out. We need to fight back. We need to use the impeachment process to start prosecuting a case on trump in a very public way so so that people understand this because I guarantee you that the vast majority of the American people have no idea what you and I are talking about right now. They have not heard this story. They have not internalize. Is this story that it will probably Kinda get washed into like Oh. This is part of the Russia thing to them. We need to make a case needs to play out over weeks and weeks on Tuesday. president trump's going to address the UN obviously Iran is front and center there. How close do you think we are to some sort of armed conflict there. what's the way out and what what's the role of. Democrats in this work where can they you know make their voice heard on this issue and do something to avert it. I think that Democrats need to clearly explain to the American people that going to war with Iran to protect Saudi. Oil Infrastructure is insane. If we haven't learned a lesson in the past two decades that our military involvement in conflicts conflicts in the Middle East leads more often than not to really really bad outcomes. I don't know what lesson there is left to learn. It's like it is madness and so what is clearly happening here is Iran was promised sanctions relief as part of the Iran deal they complied with their end of the the JCP away the Iran deal and then trump trump pulled out of it and so they're still getting hammered by sanctions and so they have engaged in this completely predictable escalatory tit for tat behavior like oh you guys guys. you guys board in hold. One of our oil tankers fine will will launch an attack on one of yours. I I'm not defending this Iranian behavior. It's completely unacceptable acceptable but the I think there's one very easy way to to roll it all back which would be to reenter the Iran deal and to get back into negotiations about their program and like the the idea that we can just hit a couple of targets or you know blow up some their navy or some infrastructure like it is nuts. It will escalate. That's it always happens and the Iranian army is strong. It's one of the best armies in the world correct where we're would be underestimating them to think that that as as you say could wipe them out or or cripple them significantly yeah the the Iranians have a substantial and sophisticated military. They also have a a whole bunch of proxy forces that they can use to attack our bases in the region. US troops the Israelis for example you know Lebanese binny's has bulla has thousands and thousands and thousands of rockets and missiles pointed at Israel that they could launch like there's a lot of ways that these guys can lash back. You know I'm not exactly sure what president trump wants to do. I think he is he is politically savvy enough to know that a war with Iran would not be politically popular in that what this what the Iranians just demonstrated is the Saudi military despite buying sixty eight billion billion dollars worth of arms from US last year is pretty pathetic like they clearly the they they should have had missile defense systems up and ready to deal with this attack that just has happened but for some reason they didn't so with your earnings have demonstrated is that they can target this oil infrastructure and if they did it again or they did in a in a more spectacular fashion that could drive up the price of oil that could lead to a global showed a slowdown economically and I imagine this is all in the back of trump's head as he's thinking about his own political future because that's literally all he cares about right so it does seem like he does not want to escalate doesn't want were the run he pulled back from launching a military strike after they shut down our drone own he kicked John Bolton out of the White House who is a a warmonger who has called for war with Iran for decades so I mean I'm just I'm hopeful that we'll find some restraint there but you know a lot of this is on Irani's yeah all right speaking of trump's future. Who Do you think has of the twenty twenty candidates. Who Do you think has the best chance of defeating President Trump I don't know and I'm out of the prediction business because I was really bad until twenty sixteen so you know who knows but whoever the person is is going to have to do two things. I think that we all need to be ready and expect back that Donald Trump will be able to turn out his base in record numbers. This will be a huge turnout election so the Democratic Party needs to inspire hire our base. We need to get you know thousands if not millions of young people willing to vote but volunteer and knock doors and make calls and give give money and then on top of that we're going to have to find a way to get some of these voters who went for Obama and twenty twelve and trump in two thousand sixteen to change their mind. They're going to be people in suburban communities in Wisconsin in Michigan and Pennsylvania so we need to turn out our base turnout people in the cities. Yes I get greater African American turnout more turnout among young people but also convinced some of those so-called swing voters to come back in so that's going to be the alchemy here in the in the last debate. Lancaster got some got a heat and blowback for age sounding attacks on on Biden but I you know I by the way I read. This is wasn't this. Is this ultimately good for Biden if he would be the nominee. This is kind of like spring. Training you alluded to trump is going to hit him harder harder on this. This could be a form of inoculation against the these these attacks these sort of attacks about being older and losing it and this is what people are saying in in private and public cory. Booker said he was concerned about Biden carrying the ball into the endzone. what did you what did did you make of those things and then you know with the caveat of course you're close to. Biden new he was on the the vice president while you're in the in the campaign in the White House. So what would you think of those attacks. I mean look the other day I think Jimmy Carter came out and said he thinks that there should be a cap on the age of the president because he couldn't do do the job at eighty that he did when he was President United States and I think that you know that's I take him at his word. I think it's a reasonable discussion. Russian to talk about whether you have the amount of energy you do at seventy five or eighty that you do it fifty or sixty right like the that's. That's a debate that we can all have. I think what Castro messed up was the tone in the way in which he did it when when he said to Biden. Did you just forget what you said. Did you just forget what you just said. It sounded condescending. It sounded like he was mocking him and calling him an old man and I think in the most recent joined register. I just I will pull you saw Castro's unfavorable ratings shoot up pretty significantly and I think like the the point is you can. You can have these arguments but how you do it. It is going to be just as important as what you say and if you come off as kind of mean and you're being mean to a vice president that a lot of people ah fondness for I think it's GonNa play. Well like look he can I again. I'm not saying that it's a conversation. That's out of bounds. I actually think it's perfectly relevant to talk about about the age of these candidates but you know you got to execute these things well. Do you think binds lost. Look I mean I don't know I I have not. I left the White House in two thousand thirteen thirteen so I have not spent a significant amount of time with Joe Biden from then until now there's a lot of what you seen. Joe Biden that you know in terms of long speeches speeches funny turns of phrase going on for a long time that people have been criticizing Joe Biden one thousand nine hundred eight right so like a lot of this is the same now that said like he he. Has You know he's older. He's one of the older kids but look you know there's a lot of candidates on that stage who are into their seventies seventies and I think we shall see if the American people decide. That's a problem or if they decide. It's a problem for some of them but not all of them. I mean look ultimately like we have voters are obsessed about electability. All they want is for someone to beat trump but absolutely none of them know what electability means in Nordea wise so it's GonNa be a bunch of subjective decisions that that pick the next president and the thing that I'm sure we both here lot of is that there's too many candidates tate's right now what should the DNC do about that Sh- had for the next debater going forward and and let's let's be real who should digit now well. It does seem like there's the chance that there will be twelve candidates who qualify for the next debate which means we'll be back to having two different nights of six each which just is a bummer. Nobody wants to watch two debates. We all WanNa watch the the most what's important players up there on that state debating each other but like the cory booker came out recently said that if he's not able to raise a certain amount out of money before the next filing period he probably won't continue. I think there's a chance that will meet that bar and stay in but I also think there's probably other candidates. It's out there who pretty soon. We'll say fundraising his dried up. I just can't continue this thing I I. I'm out of here in moving on but yeah look you know twelve people that it's too many I think nineteen candidates spoke at the Iowa steak fry this past weekend so that that's just too many but what it should be the role of the party to put a hand on his shoulder and say hey you know let's as coach and all would say with the steelers years ago. It's time to move onto your life's work. They should that be the role of the the party chair or or you know we've had Perez on the on the podcast and he's you know when you've had on its he seems very skittish to to put to even seen as putting his thumb on the scale here so who's going to do this well look and rightly so right because the DNC was correctly criticized in two thousand sixteen for looking at the scale the scale for Hillary right and so they they have the DNC has done more to winnow the field earlier this year than past years to get to qualify for debates. You needed to get a certain number of donors and get a certain percentage in the polls over time and in that the number donors you needed increased to get into the later later debates so like they have provided a winnowing process because my sense of the candidates who are able to break through in places like Iowa New Hampshire is if you're not on that debate debate stage. If you're not part of the national conversation people aren't just going to get there and just not going to give you a shot because there are too many candidates to go to to many candidates Goto you. There's too much going on all they want someone who can win if you're not perceived as part of that national conversation. You're not really going to get a look now. The traditionally that winnowing process has been played eight by a state like Iowa so it's not unusual for the field to remain pretty large until the Iowa caucuses the difference. This year is just the the field. The old from the very beginning was just way too big. Yeah and it's and it's hard to the bar of entry is so low now. It's hard to to to intercept folks at the beginning coming. Yeah I mean look. I think there are a lot of people who look at past primaries especially on the Republican side in say well. There's no downside to running for president your name idea up you write a book you do you know hit the speakers circuit. WHO's the nine nine nine Guy Herman Cain like people like that who we're just a just a joke from day one but you know built a profile for themselves got on Fox News Now. They're live radio shows. They made a lot of money off this thing so there's a there's a cynical gross side of the desire to run for politics above just wanting sort of power for yourself. Now you guys at crooked media your. Your parent company if it. Wa- If you are launching this ten part podcast series public health called America sected with the Dr Abdul Say L. who ran for Governor Michigan Yeah Yeah. It sounds very interesting ones like about healthcare for a bit. We didn't explain her a couple of weeks ago about you know what the difference was in the plan sorted helping as they're watching these debates to figure out you know in English what everybody's talking about because you know you've seen the polling. Most people don't know what the difference is is or they think. It's you know Medicare for one thing or public options another thing I thought what Biden did the other day was kind of canny he said either you're with Barack or you're with Bernie is that a is that smart or as a dumbing down a little bit too much and how can Democrats Democrats explain this issue in a simple way so so that can be because this is the number one issue for people yeah. I didn't didn't love that line because you know these are these are big important policy decisions that I think go beyond supporting popular past president or not I mean I think what a lot of these candidates are talking about. A is either building on the affordable. Care Act the existing healthcare framework work and adding a public option that would allow people all around the country to buy into a public health insurance pool and and you know in build it out that way versus Bernie plan which is fully switch to a single payer program and eliminate private insurance and so there are some people who are kind of in the middle right like Comma Harris this ten year period in between your plans where they phase out. It's complicated but those are are the basic outlines of what is being talked about right now. I you know I don't I don't have a strong view of I don't want endorse one or the other yeah because it ends up being just like a proxy for endorsing a candidate but I do think you know it. It's it's important debate. The the challenge I think for these candidates is is a lot of these debates have focused on thirty forty minutes right at the top of like really complicated back back and forth about the minutia of these plans and and I think there's a bit of a disconnect there between that discussion which is important and worthwhile and I'm glad the networks are having those debates but with what voters want to hear because if you look in the latest one register poll two thirds of respondents said they're choosing their candidate based on who can be trump and one third said it was based on issues so it's clear like people are just obsessed about this electability question which is frustrating because they don't know what it means yes and in many cases. Let's face it. It'll electability is a bullshit thing. It's it's however you want to find it and electability. In many cases means things a white guy which in studies have shown that when that that does not white guys do not have any advantage when non white guys around the ticket right so but just a quick you mentioned a dual dual sides podcast America dissect it so this is a really cool limited series. We're doing Abdul ran for governor in Michigan but he's a really smart young guy who is a doctor public health administrator and he's going to get into some of the craziness around public public health debate so he's not just going to you know talk about Medicare for all versus a public option. He's GonNa talk about The Anti Vaccine Phenomenon where that comes from he's GonNa talk about goop and some of the wellness craze in some of the snake oil that's being peddled people and then and where it comes from uh-huh and some of the legacy unfairness in our healthcare system so he's like this young cool very funny smart guy. It's incredibly engaging show. I've heard a couple of episodes so check it out subscribe if he can't get that does sound like an interesting concept speaking of talking about electability second ago couple more things one touch base with you on one is Harris Harris what happened to her. She's been on your show a couple of times She is not caught fire other than you know right after her you know what she had. Biden and one of the debates. Why is that happen you know. I I don't know I mean I think one of the best debate performances I've ever seen at that first debate was that's great yeah and I think the in the numbers bore out that it really impress people but then I think she is the latest Iowa poll. She's Sir stayed flat or dropped a little bit now to be honest I was. I was a little surprised that Sh- that she didn't fare worse in that Iowa poll because she hadn't been in the state for for over a month and so I think her campaign has seemed like they've recently made the decision to go all in on Iowa and really focus. It's on the state you. She said I'm I'm F ING moving. Go ahead right here. We'll I was counting on the the explicit sticker. When you're on. You've yeah sorry sorry but it sounds like they've made the strategic decision and look. I think that Senator Harris can be one of the most impressive speakers advocates debaters in the entire Democratic Party so if she spends a bunch of time in Iowa in talking to a bunch of voters like she has a huge amount of upside in room to grow the challenge. I think has been that a lot of folks that have moved away from other candidates. It's over the last few months have gone to the Warren campaign and all of these candidates have to figure out Warren is steadily methodically climbing in all of these polls. What are they going to do about it because everyone is sort of seemed nervous about criticizing her head on and I'm wondering when and we're GONNA get there instead. We've seen everybody attacking bite. Is that a danger. That weren't is getting a free ride right now. From her fellow Democrats Kinda it is a little bit of danger but there is a danger in criticizing a fellow Democrat in a primary every time it happens you might hurt the the person you're attacking and and you know lower. They're pulling. Your unfavorable always go up. It's just historically happened so in two thousand four the race this was Howard Dean was running away with it and then Dick Gephardt decided to really go after Dean and they just like it turned into a just a brutal slog and fight between those two and what ended up happening was John Kerry and John Edwards emerged from the from the field and ended up taking first and second the state and so that's the risk of going on offense like that and and being negative especially in a state like Iowa they does not love negative politics and you can you can move very quickly. I carry in that race was at four percent in December and he wound up winning two months later. which is a crazy turn of events yeah that that's the important point about you know these? Iowa polls like you know at this point in October of two thousand in seven. Barack Obama was in third place in Iowa in the latest polls. We didn't have a public poll that showed Obama winning until three days before the caucuses and I remember those early days of Obama in Iowa this when you were still returning my calls looking for well before I was told before I was told by headquarters that my job is to talk to reporters orders and get your stuff together buddy but you know look and then also like this time in two thousand fifteen hillary was up by like seven on Bernie Ernie and they ended up essentially tied so the key thing in that I will pull is that most people said they could be persuaded to switch candidates the whole field it feels pretty up in the air history suggests that someone will emerge from the pack that isn't currently leading pods. America will have a live show Thursday September twenty sixth at the city National Civic in San Jose. That's right theater. the the last time we saw each each other was in the bowels of the Fox theater in one of the lamest green rooms of all time down there with you in the guys. We chatted for Chronicle Story. How is the live show changed since then. They're flash pots explosions during a like people can can put on you know. They're a remarkably similar Although maybe that's a bad thing I mean the thing about the the live podcasts are they're incredibly fun to do but it's not like ah year normal touring where you kind of perfect thing and then you go out and do it over and over again. We knew show every night so we are constantly. We're the we're the NERDY S. writer in the history of touring so it's like why in the Wall Street Journal you know we'd get in there it was it was shape. I was one person drinking a beer before I think it was. You probably me yeah it was it was like she has like. Where's where's where's the Kokin hookers. Come on this rock and roll show look. Maybe maybe trump wins again. We'll we'll get there. You know I gotTa say you have a very you've at crooked developed a very diverse to stable of contributors there and show host but one thing I do here and this is from my female friends who are generally sympathetic to politically has your show little to Broadway sometimes. Do you hear that and what do you do about it. Yeah look I mean it's fair. Ah Look the the we started positive America as a hobby. You know it was a a show. We were doing for fun. During twenty sixteen on the ringer network it was called keeping a sixteen hundred Richard then and it was just like a bunch of friends who talk to each other a couple times a week about politics after the election we were all just heartbroken in kind of destitute in and decided to quit our day jobs in start crooked media and the idea was to start with that one show that we renamed pod save America but then use the network we created and use our ability to sort of tell our audience about new shows to develop new shows so now we have ten or eleven. I mean the one we just launch inch with Abdul. El-Sayed is a great example. We we have a show called hysteria. that's hosted by a writer and comedian. Aaron Ryan and you know the no men are are allowed on that show. The producers are women. The soundtrack was done by women. We try to develop a whole suite of shows on a network that gives something for everybody that wants it but the overriding goal of everything we're trying to do is to encourage people to care about politics politics to get involved personally and to win back the White House in in twenty twenty so look I mean if people don't like the tone of the show that's totally fair and and that's their that's totally up to them but like we're trying to use that platform to do things like raise a million dollars for Stacey Abrams to fight voter voter suppression efforts so it's all in service of a bigger goal here and what are you still. WanNa do WANNA say. Why would you still want to do with the company? What would he have guys working on now that you'll be rolling out it in two thousand twenty. That's takes it to another step but different direction. We're developing a whole bunch of shorter limited series so that's something really excited excited about the show with Abdul and several others like it you know I think some of our biggest initiatives in in two thousand twenty are going to be around the election itself self so we've launched funds to raise money to help Democrats win back the Senate we launched a fund to help raise money for Virginia state legislative candidates because if we can win this election coming up this November so if we can win four seats in Virginia this November we can flip the legislature in Virginia Jinya in that would be absolutely critical timing right before redistricting redistricting occurs and they redraw maps for the congressional seats in that state so that's incredibly incredibly important. We're trying to raise money for an effort to train like a thousand organizers so that there is a field team ready for whoever the nominee is to be hired on day one that are trained and tested ready and prepared because when you're the nominee and you come through a primary you have to go from like three hundred staffers to three thousand staffers in the blink of an eye and if we have this like thousand Person Field Army and key swing states that are diverse and young and hungry and excited to work and ready to do it that's an enormous benefit so we're trying to use the platform of parts of America to do a bunch of political work. It's a weird thing for a media company to do. It's the reason we started it. All right. The the parts of America crew will be at the center city National Civic in San Jose Thursday September twenty. Six tickets are available at crooked dot com slash events Tommy. Thanks for coming on to talk again. Thanks for having me really appreciate it and please say hello to everyone in the back. I'd like to thank you all for listening today. I'd like to thank Tommy for coming on the podcast asked. I'd like to thank the King King Kaufman for producing today's episode and remember whether your podcast is saving America or killing. It's all aw it's all political as part of the San Francisco Chronicle podcast network. Audrey Cooper is our editor in chief our music our theme the music that we have is cattle called that's written by Randy Clark and performed by Randy Clark and if you like this show subscribe rate and and review it on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen for more great journalism like this subscribe to the San Francisco Chronicle at San Francisco Chronicle Dot com slash subscribe you can find me on twitter at Joe Garagiola thanks.

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A deep dive into Matt Whitaker

All In with Chris Hayes

44:05 min | 2 years ago

A deep dive into Matt Whitaker

"Tonight on all in. I wanna shake his hand. Is that right? New questions about the president's pick to oversee the Muller. Pro stakes have never been hired tonight. A deep dive into the sketchy past Matt Whitaker. He's ever had a discussion with the president about investigating Hillary Clinton or James Comey. Dan, why the chief Justice of the supreme court issued a rare rebuke of the president you people know better than anybody. What's happening? It's a disgrace. Plus is the president trucking off a Saudi murder because he thinks it will keep oil prices low. If we broke with them, I think you're all prices would go through the roof and with six days until the runoff. Why Democrats think they have a shot in Mississippi for anyone that was offended for my by my comments? I certainly apologize. All in starts right now. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris as every day. We learn more about the man personally installed by President Trump two weeks ago on constitutionally dubious, crowns to run the Justice department. And everyday the details that we are learning about Matthew Whitaker on more troubling. Indeed, more obviously, disqualifying. Here's the latest after two weeks in which the Justice department refused to hand over Whitaker's standard ethics financial disclosure. It was finally released late yesterday. And it appears it has been revised at least five times. One can only imagine what exactly was going on with those documents during those two weeks, and it's not a crazy question, given what we've also learned about a strange financial chapter and Whitaker's career when he headed up a dark money nonprofit group that reported Whittaker as the sole employee where he made four hundred thousand dollars a year over three years a salary came from a group called fact who's donor or donors, we do not know. Are outed and secrecy. And while fact claim to be new nonpartisan watchdog nonprofit, you can get an idea from Whitaker's TV appearances in his capacity as its leader what it was up to. Let's be honest here, you know, sort of she had a server that she controlled they reviewed all the emails now I heard that weekend. So what we'd really like to see is all of the male. We've got a pending foia request with the State Department regarding his emails and his interactions with the Clinton foundation, it sure looks like a non-profit created to launder right wing attacks through the name of putatively, independent new org. Now, this comes on top of the fact that his other recent activities included being paid advisory board member of a patent company, which allegedly scammed twenty six million dollars from its customers, and is now being criminally investigated by the FBI, of course, house in the same Justice department. He now oversees Winokur served on the board of world Tatton marketing where he was responsible for conducting cheesy pitches for new hot, tub designs, and apparently scaring off would be whistle blowers. Who were hip to what the company was doing the Federal Trade Commission, uncovered emails in which Whitaker personally threatened and tried to. Silence customers who said they were defrauded and profanity laced phone call. He made to website entitled appropriately enough. Ripoff report the closer you look the thinner. His resume gets when President George W Bush appointed Whittaker as a US attorney Iowa, which is a big deal job. His questionnaire boasted a personal injury claim he had handled and he had never been a prosecutor. He got the appointment through political connections in Iowa. And then once in that position his biggest high profile prosecution was of a democratic politician at a time when we know that the Bush Justice department was being politically manipulated by the White House to put pressure on US attorneys to pursue George Bush and call rose political agenda political manipulation that turned to a seismic scandal, and ultimately led to the resignation of then Torney general out Berta kansallis not to mention that. While he was there Whitaker was ranked as one of the worst US attorneys in the country for imposing unusually long drug sentences and that individual that Whitaker with that. Somme and that record is now the firewall between the rule of law in America. And a president who is on the record repeatedly attempting to manipulate the tools of the department of Justice to prosecute his political enemies to throw them in jail to lock them up. If need be Whitaker addressed FBI joint operations center New York today, but was not interested in answering questions about all of this. Can you ever had a discussion with the president about investigating Hillary Clinton, gene Cummings? Let's bring in two people who've been scrutinizing Medicare's pass. Marcy Wheeler reported for. Mt. Wheel and Fordham law school, professor jed sugarman has latest Washington Post opinion pieces, titled think Matt Whitaker is a hack. He's one of many jet. Let me start with you. What what do you make of this record? Well, it strikes me that this is someone who clearly was chosen because of that record not despite it he was chosen because of his willingness to say on TV that the Muller investigation as a witch hunt. And there's no it's implausible that Trump didn't know about that when he chose him. So I think that raises the question raises many legal questions, but the question it raises for me is that whether this is a constitutionally acceptable appointment, and I think that raises both the text of the constitution. But also a larger question the constitution. What is it for the president to faithfully execute his office or or to make sure that the laws are faithfully executed? This seems to be quintessentially faithless execution of the president's office. Marcy is he does seem significant to me that he gets his sort of big imprimature has big credentialing card punched as Bush US attorney during. The time that we know that there was a lot of political manipulation of the US attorney's. Right. I mean, he was sort of an early adopter for that kind of political attack. And as soon as he was named people in Iowa were like, yeah, he tried to take out the democratic opposition by going after this openly gay lawmaker and trumping up this case and trying to get him to inform on fellow Democrats and win it finally went to trial. It took twenty five minutes for the jury to decide that it was a bogus case. So it was it was a bogus case. But even after that Whitaker was like, yeah. I still I'm okay with what I just did which was a clear politicisation over the prosecutorial process. Yeah. That's a good point thousand that was of an end acquittal. The most high profile case, what do you think? Marcy, also of the I mean, there's also just a very obvious conflict here, which is the the the FBI investigation. But this question of who exactly was funding this bizarre shell Orgainzation? He was running. Right. So this argumentation and the other thing that happened is he first started making sixty thousand dollars a year. They're by the end he was making like six hundred thousand dollars. So he gets hired. He's doing kind of podunk stuff. He starts going after Hillary, and he gets a huge raise. He starts advising Trump via CNN appearances how to deep six Muller inquiry, and he gets another big raise. And you're right. We have no idea who was paying him. It was laundered through a bunch of dark money and the name kept changing too. So it's kind of quintessential suspicious group. And so we don't know what kind of conflict or who exactly was paying for him to. And he was supposed to be nonpartisan bright, but he kept going on TV and only attacking Hillary and only attacking Muller's inquiry Judd, the you talked about the constitution, the sort of dodgy constitutional ground. He's on it strikes me there's a connection between the lack of vice and consent. And what we're learning about his record. Now. Right. Let's take a look at that constitutional question here. I it's uncontroversial that a principal officer has to be confirmed by the Senate. And so there's at least a question about what the line is between a principal officer and an inferior officer in certain cases in officer doesn't have to get Senate confirmation. And that's what the basically said is maybe he's not a principal officer. Maybe is not an officer at all. Maybe is inferior. The constitution tells us that. That's not true the constitution treats, the prince the heads of departments as principal officers in a couple of different places. So if that's true, then what is Whittaker right now occur is the head of a department and as head of a department the article two of the constitution tells us, he's a principal officer and as a principal officer. He must have Senate confirmation. So the fact is that Clarence Thomas Justice, Clarence Thomas had an opinion where he said that the law. Larger point here is to avoid presidential favoritism and abuses of power. That's what that's what Alexander Hamilton said. Federal's number seventy six the originalists conservative originalists say that this appointment is unconstitutional. John you as well. So you've got the whole spectrum from left and right originalists in textual saying, this is just not acceptable and MARCY, it strikes me that I don't think he could be confirmed. You can't you couldn't be dominating now because he's working acting but given his resume and his record. Like, I don't think there's someone who could be confirmed to attorney general United States, even with a very pliant Senate. Well, yeah, I'm never going to put anything that's McConnell said. But, but I mean, the whole point of confirmation is to say are you qualified good questions about that. Do you have conflicts really big questions about that? Do you have legal problems? I mean, you mentioned the FTC investigation into the company that he's to be on the board of Senator Whitehouse today raised some questions about whether he was in violation of the hatchback earlier this year because he was still getting political donations for twenty fourteen political campaign. He ran in Iowa four years after the fact, so he got four donations this year. Well, he's been working as the chief staffer for Jeff Sessions. So there's there's lots of legal questions of whether he's under active investigation by the FBI. It's kind of hard for him to be attorney general one would hope that the Senate would not confirm somebody like this. But you're not hearing anything from the especially the Republicans in the Senate about. His disqualifications for being attorney general. And in fact, check Grassley who remains the chair of the judiciary committee has really close ties with him from Iowa. So he's not going to say anything about Whitaker because he's one of his Iowans. Marcy Wheeler engine sugarman. Thank you both making time tonight. Happy thanksgiving. Joining me now Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon Senator you just her. We were discussing about Chuck Grassley not making any moves here. Should the Senate doing something about this situation in the lame duck session? Well, they absolutely should. I mean, listen, this is an individual who is being investigated his company's former companies being investigated for a predatory scam in which he was the enforcer. And we've heard how he abused his office in Iowa. We've now heard about the campaign donations, which would enable him to be able to repay a loan to himself. I mean at every aspect this man is unfit and that is what Hamilton was talking about. He said we need this confirmation process to avoid the appointment of cronies of unfit character and hit this what we have right now on fit character. What is there any forcing mechanism any leverage that Democrats and minority wheeled in this Senate between now and the new congress? Well, if we have partisanship. And then we're going to be difficult. But if we have bipartisanship on this issue, then leverage can be exerted. Otherwise, it's an issue for the courts to take up and say is this violation of the constitution. And I certainly hope that that can be that can happen. Very quickly. We're asking the courts to do. So. But really the Republicans sometimes say to me, Jeff, I agree with you completely. This is inappropriate by the president say, well, you join us in a public display or conversation or letter they'll say, well, we'll quietly call the president. And well, I hope the not so quietly call the president and say that this is just an outrage for the department of Justice. And of course, we know this is also part of the whole effort to keep the molar investigation. Remember, delivering its report to congress, and that is an obstruction of Justice. We so every level we need we need to act. Let me that last point. You said stopping them on investigation forever. Delivering its report to congress. Do you do you mean something specific there or just a general attempt to shut it down? Well, the the Muller investigation as I understand it cannot be delivered without the superiors in the department allowing it to be precise congress. And so that's the troubling point. We are at right now is we we never get our hands on all of the work that has been done by the special investigator. Oh, I see. So you think that Whitaker might be there not to shut it down. But essentially just do bottle up the final report. Well, all of the above because even if he shuts it down. Now, there's a lot of material there the president doesn't ever want. Congress to see are there ways that you guys can get that though. I mean, it just seems possible could cut in this day and just something like that would stay Zekra. It absolutely incredible. That that could be the case. But that is a very significant substantial concern is that with Whittaker there, we will not be able to get our hands on the report, you are not a party in that you mentioned the lawsuit. There's there's three legal actions. I think there may not be for and the Justice department responded to one of them today about this sort of dodgy constitutional footing upon which Whitaker's currently standing, but you you mentioned before you support the lawsuit from senators Blumenthal White House in Hirono against Whitaker. That's. And do you think that whatever happens there's going to be some kind of reckoning because they've got the next forty days or whatever. But eventually Whitaker is going to have to testify before someone in congress. I imagine what the Democrats having taken the house. No, that's right. And I certainly believe that they'll move quickly in the house to bring him to testify and the last a lot of difficult questions questions that probably the president would be best off replacing him before he has to come in and talk to congress. All right, Senator Jeff Merkley. Thank you for making some time. Then I'd have a great thanksgiving. I really appreciate it. You bet. Chris good thanksgiving. MSNBC legal analyst, Nick Ackerman forest systems special. Watergate prosecutor he joins me now. The remains a scandal. Everyday. The guy is acting attorney general United States there's little stop there. No question about it. I mean, he was put in there by Trump for one reason only there are three things that Trump is worried about he doesn't want the mother investigation going forward. He wants to prosecute Jim me, and he wants to prosecute Hillary Clinton. Well, his in-house counsel has coast council way has council kept him from doing those things. Right. So what Jeff Sessions stop them from doing the others. Right. What does he do? He gets around pointing this guy who's willing to do all three of those things for Trump. I mean, he is nothing, but a political hack he has absolutely no legal foundation or underpinning. I mean, he's a guy who thinks that Marbury Madison which held that the supreme court has the final say in the constitutionality of a act of congress. He thinks that's all wrong. However, he also claims that the supreme. Court should have overruled ObamaCare. Right. So the guy he's talking at both sides of his mouth and like Donald Trump. He's a fraudster. He's involved in sort of the Trump university of his own making which is pet marketing group, you know, you had experienced one Nixon went through number of attorneys general, and they were political hacks fundamentally, and that was sort of the problem, right? I mean that was a key part of what the problem of Nixon was what his Justice department was willing to do for him. Well, he had two attorney generals that were felons wound up being convicted of felonies, but I must say when during their confirmation on if you took the resume. I mean, it was stellar compared to this guy. Right. I wasn't right. So it was not as obviously a sort of installing a crony as this as Whitaker. No, John Mitchell who was the Torney general the first one was clearly a crony was campaign manager. I mean that was outrage. Itself. But you know, he had a reputation as a good bond lawyer, he was a partner in a major firm in New York. He knew what the law is. No, he knew how to file it. This guy. Doesn't know. What the why is he doesn't know what he's doing? He just doesn't have the resume to be attorney general. I just kind of wonder how long he can stay alive. I think it just keeps building up every day. Like really thing you saw. Like really think you saw you saw that look on his face that sort of sheepishly goes to New York today, he addresses some of the folks nasty and why he gets a tour of customs facility if I'm not mistaken, he gets one reporter talking to him, and he sort of sheepish looks away. Like certain point he's going to have to talk really did. Well, he did I've talked to worry today. He made up a story about this individual. That was convicted in the bombing in New York and New Jersey having to co conspirators were supposed to be flying in from Europe, which was a complete phoney baloney. Yeah. He said that in his prepared remarks today didn't this right? And he's wrong about that. We're not co-conspirator. It's a typical Donald Trump. What you don't know? Make it up. Right. I just I wonder I mean right now. Right. The balances it's sort of a nice edge, which is Grassley has his back. And you also wonder how much the I will connection is part of this grassy has his back. The coverage of the guy is brutal because every day they find something new and at a certain point like there is going to there. There is a date certain where he's going to have to go under oath before congress. He's he's going to have to pay the piper at some point. And this is going to keep building. I mean, I think there's even more here. I mean, the idea of these getting campaign contributions for prior Senate campaign when he's working for the attorney general of the United States or I think I just saw someone from open secrets who suspects. They have found the donations that were funding this bizarre nonprofit that might have been just a single donor, which again would be interesting to know the other thing today is that the president finally put in his his put it in his answers to Muller. There's a long sort of background piece in the AP. They're kind of like, well, we're done with that. What do you think? The next move is. Oh, I think the next move is going to be indictments. What you've got is. You don't think he's gonna come back and try to oh, I back and forth. I don't think. So I think what you've got is what the real back story is there are four cooperating witnesses. There's the president's campaign manager, there's his vice chairman who's who's pled guilty. There's his national security director. Personal lawyer all of these people are singing in a course. I mean, every one of them is talking about Donald Trump's role in what they know about it in Watergate, we never had cooperating witnesses who came close to what these people know. Although he did have the tapes. I was k Nick thank you very much you coming up to the president makes some kind of deal with Saudi Arabia to tell another blind eye to the murder of a Washington Post columnist in exchange for cheap oil oil chitter, Dan dickers- here. Explain why he thinks there might be a deal next. Saudi Arabia is probably the second biggest oil producer. They've worked with us. Very well, we've kept oil prices down. If you want to see oil prices go to one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel. Like, by the way, Russia would love to see that. All you have to do is break up our relationship. The president's been very clear why he's okay with Saudi officials killing and reportedly dismembering US resident in Washington Post columnist last month, and it is because at least in part he believes that Saudi Arabia can supply the United States, but cheap oil something he continued to brag about today tweeting quote oil prices getting lower grape like a big tax cut for America and the world. Enjoy fifty four dollars was just eighty two dollars. Thank you Saudi Arabia. But let's go lower Trump's unabashed willingness to link his steadfast support of Saudi Arabia despite their brutal Murdo, Jamaica, Shoji not to mention the weeks and weeks lying about it. And his love of cheap oil reason number questions. Most especially is there. Some kind of explicit deal here here with me. Now oil trader Dan Dicker, author shale boom shell bust the myth of Saudi America. Dan me yesterday to how hypothesize that. Yes. There was some kind of deal between the Trump administration the Saudis over oil, prices and Kashoggi's murder. What was your contention? Well, let's let's do a little recon. Since Chris a little bit of history, the Saudis and OPEC are dealing with a very low price of oil, and they need a high price of oil. Their economy is almost one hundred percent based upon oil revenues Russia's well, the one fifty percent of the revenues based on oil. So they're dealing with a beds piece of oil action where oil was trading in the thirty dollar range. This is going back to two thousand sixteen at this point NBS has he's consolidating power has a new plan. He's going to control supply puts together a consortium not only of OPEC members, but of Russia to to control production, really cut it back very, very stiffly. Now, remember the cartel? Does not have a good record of keeping these things together. Right part of the reason that he has to make the new consortium is because there's so much cheating in OPEC. They have a hard time. Just all they do. And March the trainers expect. That's what they'll do this time. Instead of that NBS has the ability to hold his consorting together for two years with compliance. Not one hundred percent, but one hundred ten percent one hundred and fifteen percent with the Saudis are actually throwing in more production cuts of make sure. That they soak up the extra surplus that was in the market, and we're watching oil prices rise as we're watching oil prices rise all these years Trump is getting mad or in Mandarin, man. He's tweeting at the Saudis, we won't allow this to happen this manipulation almond oil market. He's getting more and more men as oil prices are going on fast forward Shoghi is murdered week later Pompeii or the secretary of state goes to Riyadh to talk supposedly about what went down Turkey comes out of the meeting, and the what did you talk about? And we didn't even mention kashogi in this meeting. Really? Okay. Fine. Three days later, Al Felli who is the Saudi oil minister comes out with a statement. We're not only going to increase production the Saudis, but we're selling to the rest of OPEC that you can open your spigots as wide as you want right now. And we were all standing this. What goes against the entire strategy that the Saudis have been so painstaking to put together for the last two years, and what they really need going forward for the next two years because they have even bigger. Plans with a with a monetization of their state oil. They have big plans. They don't need just eighty dollars while they need hundred dollar oil one hundred and ten dollars. But for this moment, they're saying we're done with this proposal. Everybody all the traders, all the hedge funds start to flee and in two and a half weeks based on the statement. So the top Saudi oil officials says this thing the oil markets start to because we've seen them go down like the present tweet about gone down twenty five bucks or whatever in. But we've never seen go down like this without something else. Going wrong like in two thousand eight a major credit crunch the equity markets are getting pummeled the dollar is going up or something something else has to be going on some other commodity is getting killed, but no just oil straight down twenty five dollars without a stop for two and a half weeks. And that's not because I mean, we also seen at the same time. You see in the markets. Go down the markets appear to be pricing in signals. They think it's late cycle. We're headed towards a recession. You don't think? That's what's driving the oil help. I mean, there will be there were a lot of there's a lot of fair market. There are some beer market indicators. But they were kind of always there, and what the really were words most people in the financial communities who believe that the Saudis were continue with their plan of supporting the oil market going into twenty nineteen and when they build on that everybody just came in the avalanche of cell said you emailed me this yesterday, which I thought I guess plausible. Or no is a conspiracy theory is that what I said do you have evidence? Visit no this is the way that the I dunno looking lines. And it would all seem circumstantial except then today the last two days where Trump is all of a sudden, ragging really pleased with the way, the Saudis are helping us and also clothing on the White House lawn that they are working with us on oil prices really the president is now working with the Saudis on oil prices. How did that turn around so quickly? This would have all seen circumstantial, or at least you could have put it off as circumstance if not for the fact that Trump is infected minting openly that he did. In fact, have a deal they are working together with the savage in terms of getting oil prices. Facing bragging about today. Another tweet about how there's so much traffic because everyone's oil prices are so low like, it seems like a total o'clock potato credit from plausible account help of the facts before decker. That was great. Thank you very much. Thanks. The president picks a fight with the Justice system and the chief Justice supreme court fights back. That's next. Today brought a rare public rebuke of the president from the chief Justice of the supreme court. John Roberts Roberts was responding to a comment the president made yesterday after judge tiger of the ninth circuit put a temporary hold on a Trump administration plan to refuse asylum applications to people who cross the border outside ports of entry ruling that Trump cannot unilaterally rewrite the immigration laws. Well, you go to the ninth circuit. And it's a disgrace that I'm going to put it in a major complaint because you cannot win if you're us a case in the ninth circuit, this was an Obama judge. And I'll tell you what it's not gonna happen like this anymore. Chief Justice Roberts took issue with Trump suggestion that the judge was biased because he was appointed. By Barack Obama Roberts telling me AP, we do not have Obama judges or Trump judges Bush judges of Clinton judges what we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best. That was pretty remarkable. That's not normally the kind of thing that a supreme court Justice does and a president, of course, naturally then attacked back now in a sense Roberts is absolutely right. That the reason the Trump administration keeps losing in court over and over and humiliating fashion is not because of political animists. It's because the administration keeps trying to do flagrantly lawless things that judges across the ideological spectrum have no tolerance for what? If there were really, no such thing as Trump judges. Then ask yourself this. Why on earth is Mitch McConnell so intent on failing new judiciary with as many of them as possible. There's only one Senate race left in the nation. I promise in the runoff election in Mississippi set for next Tuesday between the combination appointed Republican Senator Cindy, Hyde Smith and the challenger former democratic congressman and secretary of agriculture Mike Espy now this was supposed to be a pretty easy race for Hyde. Smith a Republican running in a deep south state that Trump won by eighteen points. But then hide Smith started running into some trouble of our own making. She was caught on camera saying, it's a great idea to make it harder for liberal folks to vote she was found to have posed a confederate soldiers hat holding a gun, and she made this really unbelievable comment in a state where more than six hundred black people were killed lynchings more than in any other state. Two thousand's for her friend. They're saying if he invited me to a public hanging. I'd be on the front row that comment crossed the line for a number of companies, including WalMart, which asked for his campaign donations back. And so now to the bizarre seeing that took place last night in the one and only debate between the Senate candidates. This was no ordinary debate. The Jackson free press reported that Hyde Smith demanded no audience, and no press be present that the debate would be organized by the Mississippi Farm Bureau Federation, whose top board members have all donated tied Smith, but the craziest detail involved the notepads the candidates were supposed to use to take notes during the debate Hyde Smith's campaign demanded access to their notepad and our early and they appear to have used it as a cheat sheet. Just like Phillip dotes fertile look at checkout. These huge piles of notes in front of height Smith versus the one small stack in front of SP Hyde Smith repeatedly look down at her nose throughout the debate though at times, it didn't really seem to help too much. Can I have heard to clearly different opposite differences between me and my opponent? She also relied on her notes and making a stilted non apology for the public hanging comment. You know for anyone that was offended for my by my comments. I certainly apologize. There was no ill-will. No intent what so ever in my statement. Mike Espy, the democrat and an African American said the damage had been done. What's in your heart? But we all know what Kim out your mouth. Now, and it went viral within the first three minutes around the world. And so it's called out state har- is giving state of no they're black guy that we don't need. It's just rejuvenated doth stereotypes, you don't we don't need anymore. Joining me now Jackson free press for Ashton Pittman, one of the two reporters who broke the story of Hyde. Smith's debate demands. Also with president seal the end of Lacey pe- Derrick Johnson who previously led the NWC Mississippi State conference. Let me start with you Ashton. What give me some background on how this debate came about? And how the Hyde Smith people negotiated for it. So for months, both Mike Espy and Chris McDaniel who was a Republican opponent before the November six general have been asking her for it at bait. She repeatedly refused. I she said that she didn't want to debate. Because our she couldn't obey because Senate schedule, but then when the Senate went on recess she said, well actually shouldn't wanna debate because she thought mcdaniels supporters might common be rude and boo her if it had a live audience so the day after the day after the November six election, she apparently spoke with farm bureau and by Thursday morning. She put out a press release saying she had agreed to this debate. And when I called the Mike Espy campaign that morning after the press release, they had not even seen the rules of the debate or seeing the terms so they hadn't accepted it. But she accepted a mealy. So I'm assuming. You know, she must have already talked to them about what those times would be. But that's became Hain. Did not even know the terms in the time. She accepted Derrick talk a little bit about how your viewing. This is someone who did civil rights work in that state and African American candidate and hide Smith in this race, which should be a walk for her given the kind of conservative voting habits of that state. Her actions. Her statement is consistent with the Rachel is of political nature of Mississippi videos, race, religion or region, you can get voters to vote against their interests of the statements. She made her posing for pitches with confederate artifacts artifacts on the the nature by which she she had the conversation. Did it would vote suppression is a true indicator of her character, but not unusual for Mississippi? Unfortunately, races, a two oftentimes weaponized to turn out a very conservative base. The let me follow up on that. I think there's a lot of people watching. This thing is this hurting her. There's an internal poll that got leaked that had earned five points. Do think the kind of campaign, Ron and the misstep she's had the thing. She said do those hurt her politically Mississippi based on your experience, what nationally it may hurt her? But the. Voters. She's cater into it may be more. Pilly maybe energizing the third candidate in this race is Chris McDaniel, he's a tea partier media individuals out support him, they support this type of right of politics. And as a result of that, this is a way to appeal to that base. Get them to move over to support her candidacy, which could be enough to put her over the top ashen as I was watching the Senator last night, and it's the sort of I extended bit I've seen of her really I thought to myself like this is the United States Senator. How exactly did she end up here? What is the back story of how she ended up being a US Senator? Well, first of all, I will say I have talked to McDaniel supporters who actually after those videos, we're actually even more upset who said originally they were going to vote for after November six, but then they decided they couldn't do it after those videos came out. So there are some who were actually turned away because of that as far as how she she came to this. Well, when Senator Cochran stepped down governor Bryant appointed her she had served as the Commissioner of agriculture and commerce for the state and governor Brown appointed her. And a lot of people really upset by that that they felt like she was kind of forced upon them. And there are still a lot of people in the Republican party who feel that way and feel like this was the establishment choosing. Right. Damn some some people consider it Mitch McConnell's doing so there's a lot of anger about that. That's interesting Garrick because I mean, look at democrat winning a race in Mississippi is a long shot a black man, frankly being elected the US Senator from Mississippi is not happened since reconstruction. But. There does seem like there is a little bit of a political opening here. What do you make of it? Well, there's nothing alone. Cy Mississippi, Mississippi has the highest percentage per capita of AFC, America's any other state. We had a democratic body of state elected field up into two thousand three. In fact, city has Smith was a democrat switch parties. Would choose a state Senator she ran for state act as a Republican and she was appointed to this position. But it's not a long shot for Africa bear can win. Stay. Why does not a long shot for Democrats? Stay wet. It is truly an investment in the states infrastructure because there are many more people who are seeking a much more progressive outlook or how governor should take place of the state of Mississippi refusing to accept the Ford of okay at fuzz caused major problems across the state in terms of the closing of rural hospitals, and you have a lot of people who are now more angry about what's taking place because there have been so many promises broken Ashton Pittman down there in Mississippi and Dirk Johnson. Thank you both for being with me. Thank you. Thank you coming up, the election still isn't over and Democrats are getting closer to a forty seats. Sweep in the house the latest on all the winning ahead. The reviews are in for latest episode of why is this happening feature the one and only Rachel Matto tactical pants one just said that on TV says very well done Chris as Rachel meadow podcast playing above the rim piece to resist resistor says she just saw meadow is the guest on with pot. I know it's not thanksgiving yet. But it feels like Christmas and Lauren. That's an easy handle says she has bagman and with pod queued up for drive from the bay area to L A, and she's actually looking forward to the drive. We are. So so thankful to all of you who are listening to with pot and join the podcast, and for those of you who have yet to get on board head I tunes wherever you get your podcast and do some sweet calorie free binging this thanksgiving weekend. It's been fifteen days since election day and Democrats are still winning seats. The latest slip looks like it will be in Utah. Where the Associated Press says democrat, Ben mcadams has beaten Republican incumbent me a love in that state's fourth congressional district. NBC news. I should note has yet to call the race. But if the result remains Democrats will gained thirty nine house seats and get this. They have a shot at picking up one more, although NBC and many others have already called California's twenty first congressional district for Republican David validation late. Counted ballots now show, the democrat TJ Cox is within five hundred votes. Dave washerman of the cook political report something the race up. This way, validation isn't just in jeopardy. He's probably the underdog if if that's he'd flips Democrats are looking at a forty seat pickup, and they have already won the popular vote in the house by nearly nine million votes, the largest margin since Watergate talk about this huge democratic victory. Particularly the highest midterm election turnout. One hundred years, I'm joined by former congresswoman Don Edwards democrat from Maryland. And congressman Ryan Casella Republican from Pennsylvania who did not seek reelection this month. I'm congressman Gus Dell I want to play you a clip from Newt Gingrich in one thousand nine hundred four on what a mandate means after the Republicans won the house and want to house popular votes, slightly smaller than the Democrats this time, take a listen. As a historian every time you've had an election that clear cut the word that has always been used to describe it as a mandate. And if this is not a mandate to move any particular direction. I would like somebody to explain to me what a mandate would look like seems like that applies here. Right. I guess I would probably say I would probably use the word rebuke rather than mandate. I think it was a review on the president because you saw twenty out of twenty four districts where you had a Republican member of congress yet vote for Hillary Clinton you now have three or at best four Republicans remaining. And I just think it was extremely difficult. If not impossible to differentiate yourself and have voters who ticket split vote for you. If they were anti-trump, or if they evolved to being anti-trump over time, the Democrats to be fair, this isn't critical. But in all reality, they didn't campaign on a particular policy agenda in as much as it was a check and balance provide oversight tight, it's of a campaign. He believes that if that's do say that would you say that's a mandate. Here's rebuke. I thought going in that was what it was going to be but having covered that the racist very closely. The it was actually the opposite. Weirdly, I mean in a lot of those races like New York nineteen here or New York eleven or a bunch of other races. The Democrats were campaigning on healthcare and not talking about the president weirdly enough almost extensive. I think people thought was crazy. My quick observation. There would be I think what happened is the electorate was very softened up in being anti-trump. And then in New York, New jersey, and California, they layered the salt deduction in high tax districts that in order to grab a couple of points from Republicans. And then they used the pre existing conditions because of the vote that never became law as another layer Democrats weren't campaigning on a particular policy agenda with healthcare. They wanna make it more accessible, less costly. That's fine. We all do. But I don't think they were laying out a marker in terms of what they were going to do policy specifics. That was my point. That's why would say rebuke rather the mandate. What do you think? I could not disagree more. I mean, in fact, while we were all having this big national conversation about President Trump for sure every midterm election is a call on the president who's in in office. And this was a rebuke of the president. But the fact is in every single one of these districts, the candidates chose to run on an agenda of creating jobs through we building infrastructure on healthcare healthcare, which actually hold as the number one issue coming out. The election. And so to say that Democrats didn't have a message or didn't run anything. It's just not accurate. Let me ask you this. Oh. Of that follow up on that. Because if there is let's say there is a mandate or they ran on healthcare. What do you see that as the mandate for right? I mean, clearly healthcare was extremely powerful potent issue was the number one issue. He said I watched race after race in which it worked from Kansas to Warren county. What do you think the mandate now is for well, I think, you know, people obviously the electorate is really satisfied with Obama Care with the Affordable Care Act, but they know that it has gaps. And so they want to make sure that they really do protect against discrimination on pre existing conditions making sure to close the gaps from all the people who are still not covered under the Affordable Care Act, and of course, lowering the cost of prescription drugs this factor very heavily in so many races all across the country. And so I really do think the Democrats have something to govern on in addition to what they ran on. Congressman let me ask you this a lot of you were colleagues as soon to be former colleagues a lot of them haven't been. In the minority before what do you think? Life will look like the tactics will look like the politics will look like for the new House, Republican minority. Well, I've always said that it's easy for any party to be in the minority. All you have to do is vote. No. And most of your electorate is going to be happy in this case, there are we have lost a lot of the more centrist Republicans. So it is a much more conservative conference by percentage because we've lost a lot of. Republican moderate members, and we just have less members to begin with. I do want to pick up on one other point. I think the other thing that that really became a challenge for a few Republicans that just barely lost was the birthright citizenship caravan nonsense you had districts in Florida, California with high immigrant populations and those members bucked the party along with myself and others on an immigration compromise package. Trying to say we don't agree with the president. We don't want to inflame the immigration issue. The president went inflamed it, and I think a lot of other said, well, how can I be for you? When the president you're gonna override you. It's a great point Donna, it does that seems to be another big lesson here the backfire on the immigration stuff. Well, absolutely. And I think if anything what we learned from this is that when you put immigration on the table, you actually are open the door, you know, in in states like Florida and in border states where they're the ones who have that stand. The. Most gain or lose. Yup. In this conversation immigration, and they just weren't ha voters worn having it. And I think what underscores actually why it is that I believe that Nancy Pelosi is actually going to have a governing agenda, come January. Well, and I think she's going to be the speaker the cards look like they're going that way former congresswoman Donna Edwards and congressman Ryan castella. Thank you, both so much have a great holiday. I appreciate it that does it for all in. You can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. 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A. All four go to swing left and then also we have two events there are still tickets available for one is that the ninety second street the system which left open the possibility that Democrats could be shut out from the general election and that was one reason why love it and Elijah Myself Travel Eric a live show in L. A. are about the book that should be fun I'm looking forward to that everyone go by the book get ten thousand come on but also oh great job for getting to eight thousand Alright Stan Tuesday was the biggest primary day of twenty eighteen yet of all the seats we need to take back the house right here in California but I but I we had to deal with the cluster fuck that is known as California's top two primary blonde the United States for the next half century and beyond Dan good news it's great we're we're also going to talk about Tuesday's primaries and how Donald Trump's trying his hardest I mean I were at an event with swing left last week a couple couple of days earlier and we were trying to help raise money for swing left and get out the vote nice check to our friends at swing left because as we've talked about before portion of the proceeds of every book in the presale period Goto Yeah Picton beach which is part of the forty eighth district to knock on doors and get out the vote that was one reason the other reason love it us together at writer's block will tweet out I forgot about that let's right yeah they're still tickets available so it'll be the little pod save America bonus positively in California especially like Orange County people but it was it was a great experience and it it also kept me away from twitter number yet but you look at the reports from the registrar from like the Orange County register are in the La county registrar about turnout reports and it was like as of eleven am Hey I have something we'll John John and Tommy Lee Canvas on election day just put us on the spot right there at the crowd and so of course we did of course we did and then the classic it's raining somewhere what will that mean historically rain is better for Republicans and there's no logic for that it's not like they have mean to me or the and we had the best time I I will say that voters out here in California are like a lot nicer than some of the voters on the East Coast where have canvassed in the past get in a primary around here in California and that is fucking Piss poor even if it's not poor in comparison to past years like Geez Oaten we took some questions and there was one question in the back from person you know Klay Tomas O. and clay and clay shouted out election day which is always one of the worst times to be on twitter because you're looking for information the entire time and all you get is very scattered turnout reports yeah it's California Democrats improved their turnout something like forty percent I think made even be more and Republicans only improved their turn by like three or four percent we don't have the dual knock on the door he'd be like hey hey we're just checking to see if you're voting and then of course there's me and I've got like the script from the California Democratic Party and I was like you're supposed to ask imagine what we could do even if we got turned up to like ten fifteen percent twenty percent with a lot of our voters you could change the entire electorate anyway of course you saw I freaked out later in the day because somehow a hundred eighteen thousand voters were left off the official lists in La County because of a turn out as one point nine two percent as a four pm it's like four percent and I'm just like what has happened returns out those who are around the numbers you usually first pancake you've just discarded and wait for the next one it's always it's never right it's like turnout is low here there's a fallen tree in precinct thirty two what is this going to mean the how is having interact with voters you know he was pretty good he was pretty good he would he would show up really fun to canvas I have to say like in your mind you might think okay it's a slog I gotta drive somewhere not GonNa Bunch of doors I talk to people like are they going to be actor and the the nail ballots no that doesn't but you know it's still unclear how many were male obviously turn out we'll go up quite a bit because period of time for two weeks we forgot to bring our ballots and we filled out provisional ballots but they counted and the voting like I it's been a long time since say anywhere from like one third or more of the vote is can be mayland so that will definitely increase it but it's still still pretty low I was seeing reports of very low turn out it turns out that it wasn't a very high turnout election in general Democrats we don't know the final results in California but voted like actually went to the point it's been a couple of years because I voted by mail in two thousand sixteen because I was traveling on election day and it we're on the automatic mail ballot distribution lists and so we get our balanced meal to us but because we have a daughter now we wanted to take her better raincoats or something it's just re- like we searching for reasons to panic I was I was very nervous as I always on election days you know but I would never right it is it's basically like turn out reports or the first hot takes from political analysts after the polls committed this and that and the other thing and but it worked out well we hit like forty houses in two hours is pretty pretty good clip pretty good clip that's it's inches like when I talk to my friends and neighbors that's the image that's in their heads too so I do think this this health care fight is going to keep people going quote unquote printing error was their excuse a printing error that like almost disenfranchised one hundred and eighteen thousand people affected more than two percent of registered voters. It doesn't happen does it mean it couldn't have happened and it would slows right and so I mean it almost didn't happen and I think it's Kashif is two weeks old and like what a cool thing to do to she will start the citizens young and we went but because we have not slept more than two hours for any Elliot and then they will look it over and make sure that it's the that you were a correct voter but that's still takes time and a lot of more she said like for me when I'm going door to door and when I'm thinking about like how many ships I wanNA sign up for the image that's always in my head is those people it makes you feel good that it gives you some hope that democracy will endure beyond this dark period we are currently in yes I had the threat was over hyped I saw that a little bit on twitter on Tuesday night on election night no it was a full you know it turns some people away some people don't WanNa wait to fill out a provisional ballot and it's not great it's not great we halley and I felt that provisional ballots because we have bad great idea it is like vote by mail if you that's easiest thing for you but if you get to actually vote and sit in the little booth and for other thing and get the sticker everyone involved that this didn't happen and so it's it's the it's the voters it's some of the candidates it's the local and national groups little this we could have lost the house on Tuesday and we didn't and I think people give credit for and I mean this was a existential why they're out there and one woman said you know she's like I heard you guys in the pod talk about you know healthcare and taxes are the big issues and she's like I couldn't agree now of course if you go to the polls if this ever happens to you if you go to the polls and you show up and they say that you're not registered you're on the road but you know you are you can always fill out a provisional over these next couple of months so let's say whether results no Democrats were locked out on the California House races thank God Dan do you think who came to the capital and sat outside those offices during ACA repeal in some of them were in wheelchairs and they sat there for days and they wouldn't leave and I kept thinking to myself definitely definitely voted Democrat but I can't remember I can't remember exactly the name of who I ended up going with I just know I didn't Dana Rohrabacher and that was after people is not just you know the five minutes of we'll trump sit down with muller that they play on CNN twenty four hours a day you gotta figure about how to communicate with people about the choices that they have in these elections and that was a hard thing to do but in look there was some there are some candidates that really helped out too for a little bit so it's it's good that everyone got together and made sure that didn't happen so let's talk about what it what the results meaning if it those people could go to Capitol Hill and sit there for days to try to get answers and to try to fight repeal the affordable care act then I can knock on a few it is just awesome there were people there the election workers were so nice in San Francisco people who rent out their garages people vote like it was a polling station and just my neighbor's garage volunteers there is so much cooperation everyone was helping out and I think it really did make a difference especially because I'll tell you I went to good for clay and clay lead one to associate I am I am very curious although I've seen on the instagram stories scrabble Aisha and even though they were still on the ballot they spent their time and energy telling their supporters they weren't on the ballot they were still on the ballot put born in the election vote for others and so it's a credit to a lot of doors where people said you know one of the questions you ask the doors have you decided who to vote for in the forty eighth and a lot of people were like oh well criticize the D triple C on this show before of course as other people the d triple c the California State Democratic Party swing left indivisible canvassers a bit older and Whiter so we can expect the General Electric to be a bit more democratic with all that said it looks like now the Democrat already voted so you realize like it it it really takes coordinated effort to make sure that news that is breaking through to people and information that's breaking through -fornia usually it is not wise to use primary results to make guesses about general election results the data journalists tell us but pretty unknown so point is certainly in the hunt but I thought the Tuesday results in California you know they didn't swing heavily democratic as some of the special elections have so Kendra said when he was talking to us a few weeks ago where he said the blue wave is not a not a weather event it's just going to happen we have to make it happen and so toll Republican vote in the primary and the final results in the general election with two caveats one as we said earlier there might be about a third of the because California's top two primary basically mirrors the general there is there has been a strong correlation between the total democratic vote versus the part because a lot of people turned out thought strategically about their ballot lot some candidates in some of these districts in new they couldn't win dropped out it's all gravy after the fact we didn't get locked out so we're in the game and that's the most important thing we got a few months here to flip these districts and you know I think back to something Jason Are the favorites to Flip Daryl Isis forty ninth district It looks like the tenth the twenty fourth forty eighth the forty fifth and the thirty Ninth District Wchs are true tossups maybe some of them lean slightly Democrat and then the twenty first district does look like David validations district look like leans Republican he had like something like a sixty five sixty seven percent vote there and the Democrats didn't have much of the Democrat is threat and we avoided it and I think that's not because it couldn't have happened it's because people did really good hard work to make sure it did yeah that's the only thing I want to say is we've wrote still not counted because of mail in ballots in certain counties particularly La County which is very populous and to the primary electorate tends to be how can I talk to my unbelievably conservative mother who loves trump about you know why she's wrong and I think finally one of these shows up to and I had that hope and I went down to Huntington beach to canvas and saw the people that showed up for the canvas and a lot of them are friends of the pods weren't and but a lot of them talk to me about like Roddick thing to do so it was and it was close it was very close in the forty eighth there is a a while there where we had to Republicans in the forty eight that was very close in the tenth general election than they do in the primary so this only happens it only gets more the electorate only gets more democratic in November if we get young atention politics and haven't voted before that's a better use of your time and I think everyone listening everyone listening especially we know our audiences tends to be younger though there's a huge baby boomer it's GonNa be a fight Dan What did you make the results in in California Good News Bad News status quo I think I mean it's all good I think TJ Cox is the name of the Democratic got in the race right before the deadline and so no name ID organization and so we'll we'll see if with some and one of the reasons that they say the general electorate is a bit more democratic than the primary electorate is because more young people show up in the and also I guess love with messages don't talk to your mom stood strong message strong message so there was evidence of a bigger it doesn't usually vote doesn't usually get involved in politics and get them registered and get them ready to vote November and if we do that if everyone grabs a few people then you know we'll win inevitable it is something we have to work our tails off and work our tails off like we've never worked before and all the tools to winner there we just have to just have to do it because they were pulling in single digits they tried to drop out are they decided to drop out before the election and and that was helpful and that's very you know team team sport pages the point is we can win all of these districts I think we can also win the twenty-first because it is one of the most Clinton districts out of all of them right and so if we put in the world in the young at heart and so that's you should go talk to young people and the young at heart and find people who would who may not vote otherwise and get them to vote and located answer don't talk to her about it don't waste your time and energy on your super-conservative mom who loves trump go find two friends who might WanNa vote against trump but don't really bob in young voters so you know we get asked love it said this before but we get asked all the time and when we do our live shows there's always a question like Ford and some work you can flip that one too but so we're in the game we got a shot in all of them but it's GonNa take real work like we cannot think of this doc and flip these seats where people weren't paying attention there was low turnout and these seats whether it's attorney general whether it's state legislature whether it's up to Governor smartly up many years ago as they dumped a huge amount of money into state races into local races because they realized they could get more bang for their people to the polls young people who voted for before young people who've sat out previous midterms which is why the Democrats did so horribly in two thousand and ten in two thousand and fourteen there was a huge work and turn out those two thousand sixteen voters plus New People who are energized because of trump then that is a flippable district there is work to do there and we have and there's a lot enthusiasm advantage narrow some because you just get more Republicans turning particularly Republican area but there's nothing more important than taking the congress back voting will could flip these districts we have a a good enough day on election day compete everywhere for every seat and this is what the coke brothers did later of start because in these other districts Democrats have been running for almost a year in some cases they got in right after trump came in office and in the twenty first I believe able to organize around this candidate and turn out enough people that they you know had forty point swings in the last eight Senate election absolutely I mean as we see in these elections the more accepting the ones with some extenuating circumstances like Roy Moore as it becomes more nationalized the Democrat of course it was extremely low turn out in that election which is one of the reasons but that doesn't that say something that a low turnout election The Democrats were yeah I always love the the line Obama used in his farewell speech and insurance wine he's used many times before but we said that it's up to the contingent love it hasn't scare them all away at go go find go talk to a friend who has rolled their eyes about trump who doesn't like what's going on increases productivity staff people love vacation you know what I mean and what about happiness we're productive and happy that's why we posted the semblance seats City Council seats and having real policy impact on the lives of people and so that's a very good sign I don't know that it tells us it's that trump won by four Romney won by four and the retiring republican state Senator One by over twenty points in two thousand sixteen one Senate anybody can check trump we want democrats to be in charge of but I think it's very encouraging we have so much work to do to undo the down ballot damage that's been done over the last ten years and so if we're flipping legislature if people are are worked are enough and organized enough to flip some of these seats we're going to be flipping school board seats that's to win and so they may not be the places where Republicans focused their money and energy but just like the good solid hard work of organizing and registering people to vote socratic wave elsewhere in Missouri Democrat flipped their forty second state legislative seats since trump took office Democrat Lauren Arthur won a seat by nineteen points would believe from looking at the generic ballot and that it gives me hope for some of these marginal districts that the political process prognosticators think are very hard for Democrat everything about twenty eighteen and twenty twenty but it is these are strong data points that show democratic enthusiasm in these races exceeds what you they end up having a huge impact a build the democratic bench for people who are GonNa be you know in Congress and President and governors later in life but be like you said it also makes a difference with policy right now like we get a democratic Senate and Democratic House we're going to be able to stop the trump agenda Democrats control every office here and the Democratic while there is a very strong Bernie contingent that is manifest itself and some pretty roughened the primary he only picked up eleven percent of the vote so it ended up not being much of a challenge for Feinstein what if anything does that race say about the divisions within the Democratic Party to you Dan I think California is somewhat unique and the Democrat president but in the states when we have democratic governors and democratic legislatures they are going to be able to pass a lot of really progressive policies and we're seeing that humble Democrat California democratic conventions since the two thousand sixteen election and a pretty controversial Democratic Party chair race the democratic establishment pretty good I look forward to the day that Mike Pence has to stand in the house and swear in as embodied particularly by Governor Jerry Brown is incredibly popular Jerry Brown is incredibly popular in the state and and incredibly popular with Publican's did get shut out of the Senate race in California where Diane Feinstein and her challenger State Senator President Kevin Daily on will compete against each other in the general but could be the first female democratic governor of New Mexico and the first democratic Latino governor nationwide and Deb Halen of New Mexico is on track to become the first name real wave here and particularly here in California one of the thing to note from California results so Gavin newsom advances to the general leg I have the chance to meet abby when she was here for a fundraiser and she's brilliant and passionate and the real deal so that would be awesome if he can flip that seat representative Luhan of American woman elected to Congress. Dan Is this going to be Donald Trump's legacy more he's causing more women to run for office than at any time in history shen as our gubernatorial candidate he faces Republican John Cox who's running with the strong endorsement of Donald Trump and California so that should go well for him but and all of these new progressive female democratic members of Congress and Democratic senators like what just what a grieg the game the whole ballgame we have to win every seat we possibly can I don't care dogcatcher praised the United States and everything in between it was also another big night for female candidates great thing for the Democratic Party and in America in general it's it's it's really wonderful to see there is we're seeing we're seeing a real primary he has another few months to run this race and you know we'll see how this plays out but it progressive primary challenges right now in New Jersey where they have unified democratic control we're seeing it in Washington state so that's a that's a big deal in this election is it's sort of the whole the whole aren't just always like they have impact in the impact is not just replacing one member with a new member it's also helping send Democrats and so it's a little different than I think as it plays out in other parts of the country and what I thought but I do think that that is and it is I mean you know you have to dig deep to find silver linings in the dark in the dark cloud of this era but the fact that to fight back and people have have fought back and they're from people from all walks women from all walks of life have run for office and the voters are rewarding from it I think it's just a absolutely And especially female Democratic candidates in Iowa Abby thinking our and Cindy Acne could be the first women to represent Iowa and the House of Representatives a message to to politicians in office not to forget the base of the Party and I you've seen if this does not say Kevin de Leon's performance I mean look he's still in the race there's a even though he did not get come very close to Dianne Feinstein in the in the inadequates sentence you see this in New York where Cynthia Nixon is running a a very sort of creative aggressive primary campaign for why he would be a better better vehicle for the progressive values of Democratic voters in California and this is why and Feinstein get more aggressive on Donald Trump and on some key issues since Kevin Gotten the race maybe that's a coincidence maybe it's not but it's at least based on sort of the media and advertising and news I've seen out here is he ran a progressive primary challenge he didn't try to run down Dianne Feinstein he made a case we use such offensive misogynistic language had been credibly accused by more than a dozen women of sexual assault had beat Hillary Clinton for president there as to think about that give up on politics or decide mm-hmm and we've had a lot of guests on the podcast talk about this Elissa talks about it all the time about how there were choices you can make given the what it said that someone who people like Bernie Sanders have and many other candidates that we've seen since sixteen in before sixteen have pulled the party in a more progressive direction on policy I mean even like you talked about Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton had a more progressive platform in two thousand sixteen then coalescing around these big bold progressive economic ideas no matter where they're running yeah that's exactly right and I think there are policy Sandra Cuomo and we've seen some progressive moves that had been on the shelf for a long time for Manchu Cuomo you know perhaps in response to that and so I think up I think perhaps for her years ago he is now running on a platform of Medicare for all in free college so in many ways a lot of these a lot of the kind of ten nominees or seven of ten nominees and that is a totally is a strategic discussion we're having about how you beat trump and we need to have that because we have not yet the trump and hopefully good ideas and good message and good tactics and strategies will flow from that discussion over the next few months of this election using data point was Harley Rueda who is now most likely to challenge Dana Rohrabacher in the forty eighth was a republican donor on running very very blue states in California but a lot of their platforms out of their policy platforms are very similar you know you might have a difference between what kind of Medicare for all this is Progressive Party progressive primary challenges can be very good if they're done in a healthy issue-oriented way and be the party is not as divided as twitter candidates if you look at the candidates running in two thousand eighteen there's some light connor lamb who are running in red states there's some you know like Dianne Feinstein and Kennedy you've heard me talk about movement you know those two college dropouts that started their own watch company right well this company has grown like fucking gangbusters lead for them the Cable News in punditry would have you believe even though we have some real policy issues to work out we are pretty united around beating these Republicans beating Donald Trump no and I think that very long run up to twenty twenty pots America's brought to you by movement watches all plan you have or what kind of public option you have you might have a difference between like is it free college or is it do you have to serve two years to get Free College Free Community College but they're also where there are progressive challenges they fought over progressive issues instead of trying to burn the village in order to save it which is what we saw with the tea party in two thousand ten when they were taking down this is different that you know there's been all these stories about how Democrats have their tea party now and it's in body by the Bernie people and we're gonNA tear each other apart and that didn't happen in any of 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committed or anything else Republicans are breaking with trump on trade bob corker introduce legislation on had a great depression make America great again shouldn't mean make America in nineteen twenty nine again Ben Sasse Republican of Nebraska so it seems like Dan more than any other our our president calls up to yell at one of our closest allies and in doing so makes an absolute fool of himself confusing candidate they wouldn't move the legislation What do you think about this that this was finally this is finally what broke them away from trump the trade war well let's when asked if the comment was received as a joke source on the call said to the degree one can ever take what it said as a joke the impact on Canada and ultimately on workers in the US won't be laughing matter Bob Corker and others are having their phones blown up by businesses who are affected by investors donors people in there this is where the populist base of the Republican Party runs headlong into their corporate policies and so I'm sure Ben Sasse and tell you firsthand this stuff's incredible this father's day give the dead in your life a gift that's ahead of its time if volved underwear from Tommy John Nowhere from there equal branches with one endowed with the power to say mean things and do nothing I mean look I think what what is this is something that angers day with the backing of both parties that would basically give Congress more authority to act as a check on the president's trade moves don't know if that's going anywhere because fucking Mitch McConnell said Dads and Dads Season Movement grads and dad's the perfect place to shop for an affordable timeless gift go to M v MT DOT COM slash cricket that's a Konami these steel and aluminum tariffs alone won't tank the economy but the question is who knows what happens if there's a broader trade ought be let's not overstate the case here that they have taken they've looked the the Republican members of Congress have looked at the constitution the thing is fabrics that are so soft and light dad will feel like he's wearing no wonder we're at all free right by that tell me Jones also got socks stay up all day lightweight undershirts that never come untucked try to hurt specific political constituencies they're trying to hit US farmers it's already they've said that the stock market has lost about a trillion because once you put tariffs on other countries goods than they retaliate with tariffs and other countries right now are retaliating with very specific tariffs let's make this an issue and if so how you and I've talked about this before obviously there's many Democrats particularly Democrats from the Midwest Democrats like Sherrod Brown there's no purpose but there is an open question whether trump is right on the politics Yup I know we've been talking about this I mean well let's talk about the impact what impact it would have on the how to help American workers succeed in a global economy where businesses can send jobs anywhere in the world especially to countries that don't worded statements on twitter so this legislation yeah that's it we've done this is how the founders intended checks and balances to awesome evolved underwear shop limited edition father's Day gift sets at Tommy John Dot com slash crooked now there's a lot of listeners their dad's views would evolve as fast as their underwear ltd on people like Bernie Sanders who have really spoken out against a lot of these trade agreements because this country has still not figured out I mean if you were to look at why this is good for trump on its face like the if you pull aside let's just take out even if it seems and if you're in a world where boo bipartisan members of Congress are crapping on trump's plan big corporations are crapping on trump's plan vantage and I think part of it is taking these statements from Republicans and showing them to independent voters and through through digital or television or other dollars and market value Chamber of Commerce is saying it could cost two point six million jobs economist Mark Zandi estimates the tariffs would result in a two hundred and ten AH in Britain I mean it's just it's it's it's not good as you would say it's not great it's not great it's not great some of the reaction to these trade moves did almost every week on the two thousand and eight Obama campaign I believe so I believe that's Mark Zandi haven't heard from a long time so yeah the the question is can Democrat I also think we need and then in the specific districts states where the there is this very specific obvious impact whether it is Harley Davidsons in Wisconsin or double the racist undertones of almost everything he does but the core of his purely economic nine immigration message is that he will fight being independent people who may not voted for trump or may have voted held her nose and voted for trump after the Komi wetter and let's sure that to them and get them to see what he's doing but have our labor standards that don't have our environmental standards that don't pay well that don't offer benefits and so it's cheaper for these companies they can send the jobs there and we have not figured out for people who who are mainly white working class people will fight for people who have been forgotten by the government by Wall Street by big corporations by elites it's by this second grade level and it'd be just it is so embarrassing that the district's and state's who who are mad the question is they are right on the policy the Republican senators this is stupid and serves very hate ads or pre or media so that they can see so the like Bob Corker or Ben Sasse are credible voices two republican-leaning Um and we have not implemented policies to protect workers from that reality and therefore these trade agreements and trade wars and tariffs become in this argument that both parties have and it has a lot of lot of currency making an anti-trade argument among a lot of working class voters dollar increase in yearly costs for the average family so the question is that former McKay is that former McCain economic advisor Mark Zandi that we who we who we side you know president trump and his administration decided to let some Chinese company despite huge national security concerns operate in the United we have one final section on on random Russia stuff but I don't even know that we really need to get into it other than I thought you would like you would have some comment on the fact that the case that just somehow a number of trademark approvals for a vodka trump's fashion line just happened to make their way through riots quantifying the impact of these tariffs on people's pocketbooks in these different regions where it's hurting people that I think I think that's right I mean you point out there's these Chinese negotiations that China gave a five hundred million dollar loan to a trump development project right before Bourbon and Kentucky let's use that aggressively let's localize that issue to that district in state and then I think the third part is you have to tie this to a narrative right should they have analyzed the powers SPO- bestowed on them by the founders in decided that the appropriate response to this policy track even United States is to issue strongly writing for them and so that is good so the question is what a Democrats do about fat how do we take this and and leverage it to do that or be dishonest or or try to hurt people intentionally and so it has to be Chris what is credible narrative around why trump he's technology companies in the United States just been what are the odds that that just that the Chinese patent process just happened to work that way it's bad did this and why are we are having negative consequences I think it's tying it to his radic in chaotic behavior yeah right we have this president with a WHO as one Wall Street financier crapping on trump's plan that those are all signals of virtue to a to a big part of his electorate and he's fighting for people he's the one person we're GONNA be able to stop the judges we're going to have to stop a lot of bad stuff but Democrats aren't gonNA be able to allow they're not gonna be able to do a lot of positive things to pass legislation as long as trump's it could be a tweet who has now taken these rash poorly planned out thought out actions and now it's going to have real consequences either in this specific way this brought us broader way citing these economic statistics from these estimates add just hammered that into people's heads so I think there's also a corruption angle here too I mean we saw with not credible that that person would do it like when Republicans there are certain things Republicans would say about Obama the just weren't people did not even Republicans didn't other than the far right didn't really believe that he would rainey's patent office just at the moment at which trump was potentially granting alarming amount of freedom to to states right so you can also draw as as with everything else when trump makes deals they benefit donald trump and they don't benefit you and I think you can start waking you like I think in political messaging motivation is key people want to understand why people do certain things and Sundays messages don't work because on Wednesday Paul Ryan said that he agreed with fellow Republican Tray Gouty that the FBI acted completely appropriately by using an informant to make attack with Donald Trump's two thousand sixteen campaign its investigation and you know promptly after he said that Matt Gaetz pieces use bleach bit smashed the phone into pieces in bring the pieces to Robert Muller when he interviews you fucking you've got a top adviser action justice on the television which trump is surely watched we you've got like Lou Dobbs spouting conspiracy theories that came from Gateway Pundit Ryan made he decided to let trump do the things he's doing he decided to let trump engaging corruption they probably would have kicked him out like they wanna do now I mean the truth is you know Paul Ryan has made awful choices since he has become speaker of the House nobody was on tv last night telling saying everyone who's a witness in the Muller investigation should smash their phones into small and that came from a red thread Dan and it went to the twitter feed of the president of the United States that's where we are to help the country but was to do the best he can to enable trump because he thought that was the best way for Republicans to maintain office to keep the trump base it came from a fucking reddit thread the donald trump was then tweeting out when he said Oh I just saw the story that the FBI originally started planting spies in my campaign as early as twenty fifteen lucien ignorant I previously I mean it was there a couple of things about this one Paul Ryan it was a torrid but brief love affair that Paul Ryan had the the shame that comes from his conduct with trump and office and that is just the fact is unchanged at this point no matter how many times he puts out lukewarm statements so he can sleep at least five minutes a night is a dangerous numbness that all of us us the media politicians are getting too just how fucking it to the president which is what Sean Hannity is on television telling people that he wants the two to tamper with evidence just to obstruct justice he's just advocating absurd listen in before then too but they are all terrified of the Republican base and the Republican base really is the Republican media recency as the most powerful Republican not named Donald Trump if he had sent a signal that some conduct some statements some corruption would be out of bounds and there becomes there's integrity yesterday they quit that ended quickly and then I do think it's worth just thinking hypothetically like these are all choices forcement agencies take this Paul Ryan said yesterday imagine via said this six months or a year ago he said a signal as the third person in line to the brigand signs monster finally woke up now now Ryan's Ryan's getting it from the caucus yeah but then today he was like no collusion no collusion Nikolishin I see no evidence often the John Kelly and he is telling witnesses to smash their phones and it is so ridiculous that we are living a series of plot it does for we'd be living in a very different country he decided not to do that he decided that his job was not to be speaker of the house or to be someone who was in public service God save America is brought to you by parachute starter thought John Tommy Self Care isn't just for the Ladies Dad's needed to and but we're so numb to the insanity that we don't fully grasp the precariousness of this situation currently in with a unstable deeply easy things are these it's bad it's bad well back to where we started going to win the election fifteen minutes late Dan you decided to let trump tried to block this investigation everywhere so he decided to enable devin years to try to politicize these investigations and spread lies and conspiracy theories about America's lawns ended up for Republicans in two thousand eighteen that is a choice he made and that is a choice that will forever define his legacy I know he likes to think the first page will be the tax cut but it won't be it will we'd get Paul Ryan ran out of you know it's like he retires people think the rams going to go away but Paul Ryan has always been a Paul Ryan I'm already transitioning to make it and the pundits on Fox I mean like the fucking they're getting they're they're seeming a little desperate these days as the investigation continues and gets closer to trump I mean fucking sean insecure person in the Oval Office and you look at all those things like you may think Zachary Point Sean Hannity talks to trump as far as I can tell we because we are living in this every single day I mean trump tweeted seventeen crazy things this morning in between when I woke up I know they started this podcast whatever hoisted by his own bazaar don't use my catchphrase against me Dakota's pod saved in from parachute what would it be I will get my dad's in pillows he could always he could use better pillows upgrade your betting upgrade your life visit parachute home dot com slash cricket for free shipping. We're very happy to have our good friend of the pod former White House senior aide Ron Clean Ron welcome to the pod finally yes thanks thanks for having me auctioned by Senate Democrats of the President's nominees you have said that even though trump's been really bad at countless aspects of his job he's been really Mitch McConnell recently cancelled the Senate's August recess and one of the reasons he said is it was necessary because of the historic science that would have been discarded from house of cards would simply not be believable for house of cards is wild and we I I really do feel like we we successful at nominating young conservative judges who could be a part of the judiciary for decades to come what's at stake in both the president's mission to reshape the so we we could talk about a million things since you had a million very important jobs since the times we've known you but wanted to talk about judges especially since you spearheaded a quite a few Supreme Court nomination processes when you were in the White House why did I jump on top of reading that's jumped on it now now you go yours us a little. TLC Father's Day is just around the corner if you guys get your Dad's any love it here late on what on my time to shine it's always your time to shine make surely that says a lot okay this is something that's going to be with US virtually forever judges Sir for life many of the people he is putting on the bench will still be there in twenty fifty or twenty judiciary and how do you think Democrats should respond to yeah well look I think this is one of the most underappreciated insignificant things that have happened in the past two years you know we've got a president who acts like an autocratic congress that's rolling over in the face of that and so the only thing that protects the rule of law and our rights us in finding young non diverse super-conservative lawyers and putting them on the federal bench and he's doing it at a record pace he's sixteen this is going to be just long term consequence of trump's presidency Ryan what is driving trump's ability to do this actors like diversity they look for people who were kind of outstanding in the bar they often used merit selection panels depict judges trump has simply truncated are the the courts the federal judiciary and trump has been horrible at being president incompetent in so many things but has had record levels of success White House side of it Prior Presidents picked judges in consultation was senators. They tried to balance different facts carthy rancid in preparation but now of course Paul Ryan staff would say probably if he'd come out a year ago and said and said this then Paul Ryan wouldn't be speaker right now the federal courts and make remaking them in his image and you know the only other thing I'll say to start is that there's so many things that trump does and we have to hold our more appellate court judges on the courts in five hundred days than Obama did a thousand days so it gives you some sense of how quickly he is turning over you coming at you live on the ones and twos you know here's the deal you download it hey if you're lazy fuck like us just just cash up your

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"Hi, I'm Amy Goodman. If you're tuning in right now democracy now is probably your source for news. You can trust democracy now is independent which means we're funded by you, not the oil gas and coal companies when we cover climate change or the weapons manufacturers when we cover Warren piece, if you and everyone who tunes into this podcast may just one ten dollar donation right now we could cover operating costs for two thousand nineteen really that's all would take please. Make your tax deductible donation today by visiting our website at democracy now dot org have a wonderful holiday season and happy new year. Thank you so much. From pacific. This is democracy. Now. I was expecting it. We never thought they were going to fire this bombs were there were children because there were lots of children, not just mine. There were more children with mutters there. They also started running to just like me. The United States is facing widespread condemnation after border authorities teargassed asylum seekers at the US Mexico border. We'll go to the border for the latest. Plus we look at the recent acquittal of a border patrol agent who shocked at a Mexican teenager through the border fence. If you go to any major law enforcement agency in the country in the United States, killing or shooting rock-throwers using guns to rock-throwers would be forbidden by police agencies across the country. So it's interesting that border patrol claim that that's an sesame for that. Then why is Carl Taylor dead? A new Marshall project investigation looks at how the nation's prisons had become mental wards and how one fatal case in New York. Talk shows where that can lead all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy, now dot or the Warren peace report, I'm Amy Goodman. President Trump called Monday for Mexico to deport Central American asylum seekers a day after US border patrol officers fired tear gas and a group of migrants in Tijuana as they attempted to cross the heavily militarized border near San Diego on Monday. Trump tweeted, quote, Mexico's should move the flag-waving migrants. Many of whom are stone cold criminals back to their countries. Do it by playing do it by bus. Do it any way you want? But they are not coming in to the USA. We will close the border permanently. If need be congress fund the wall, Mexico has asked the US to investigate the use of tear gas on children speaking from Mississippi, Monday, Trump defended the teargassing for second time and place the blame on parents of migrant children suggesting some people with children or. Aren't guardians. But so-called grabbers who simply use the children to gain asylum. Why is apparent running up into an area where the no the teargas is four being and it's going to be formed, and they're running up with a child, and in some cases, you know, they're not the parents. These are people that go grabbers they grab a child because they think they're going to have a certain. They have a certain status by having. You know, you have certain advantages in terms of crazy laws and estimated five thousand migrants are currently in Tijuana hoping to apply for asylum in the United States one of them Maria MISA, a thirty nine year old Honduran woman. Reuters photograph went viral showing this or rushing her two young daughters to safety Sunday as a cloud of tear gas spreads nearby. Amen. Community. Well, I felt sad scared in wanting to cry. That's when I grabbed my daughters and started running that moment, I thought I was going to die with them because of the gas. We ran and fell into the mud and struggled to get up amid the gas a young man gave me his hand and pulled me up to my feet. After headlines we'll go to San Diego to speak with pager reas who witnessed the US border patrol teargassing the migrants on the border Sunday. General Motors is cutting up to fifteen thousand jobs and closing five plants across North America. The cuts would primarily affect workers in Ohio, Michigan, Maryland and the Canadian province of Ontario. GM says it'll cease production on six of its car models in response to low sales and focus on the development of lecture and driverless cars democratic Ohio. Senator Sherrod Brown called the move corporate greed at its worst, adding the company reaped a massive tax break from last year's GOP tax Bill and fail to invest that money in American jobs, unquote. President Trump called the news not good Monday and said that GM better put something else in to replace loss manufacturing jobs. Trump's repeatedly taken credit for reviving American manufacturing and creating jobs in two thousand seventeen at a speech. The GM plant in Youngstown, Ohio. He told supporters jobs were all coming back. He told locals, quote, don't move don't sell your house. Join our motor cited tariffs levied by the Trump administration on imported steel is one of the reasons for the US layoff, saying the tariffs cost the company and extra one billion dollars. President Trump said Monday, he does not believe the findings of last week's government report on climate change thirteen federal agencies contributed to the report which warns human driven climate change threatens to shrink the US economy by as much as ten percent by twenty one hundred well, increasing extreme weather events destroying infrastructure, worsening air quality destroying crops, and leading to more frequent disease. Outbreaks this is Trump speaking with reporters on Monday. I've seen it. I've read some of it. And it's fine. I don't believe it. Well, here's the other thing. You're gonna have to have China and Japan at all of Asia. And all of these other countries, you know, it dr- addresses our country, right dour, cleanest. We've ever been very important to me, but it went plead, but every other place this dirty. That's not so good. So I want plea there. I want leave what a very important. Turkish authorities are investigating two villa south of this done bullets the search for slain Saudi journalist Jamal kashogi. She's body continues. One of the properties is said to belong to a Saudi businessman close to crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, the businessman Mohammed up Ned of foes on reportedly spoke to one of the Saudi agents involved in kashogi, she's murder one day before kashogi. She entered the Saudi consulate annisten Bullock Tober second where he was killed. Meanwhile, the Saudi Crown prince has reportedly asked Turkish president Richard type aired one to meet at this week's g twenty. Summit in Argentina, this comes as human rights. Watch us asking Argentina to investigate the crown prince four kashogi, she's murderer as well as Saudi warcrimes in Yemen. Argentina recognizes universal jurisdiction for war crimes, and torture, which means they would be able to press charges against the crown prince wants he's on Argentine soil. ABC news is reporting Trump advisor and son-in-law Jared, Kushner, urged the White House to inflate the numbers of possible arms deal with Saudi Arabia in order to strengthen the image of the two countries alliance Kushner allegedly pushed for the administration last year to use the number of one hundred ten billion dollars in possible arms sales rather than the fifteen billion dollar figure. Officials believed was more accurate. CNN is reporting. The US has quote slammed the brakes on a UN Security Council. Resolution on the ceasefire in Yemen. The move is reportedly part of the Trump administration's fear of compromising the US relationship with Saudi Arabia, but seems to counter recent statements by both the US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley and senior White House officials Defense Secretary Jim Madison secretary state Mike Pompeo last month cold for a ceasefire the NATO led mission in Afghanistan is reporting that three US service members have been killed and three others wounded after an explosive device detonated today near the central Afghan city of causing a US civilian contractor was also reportedly wounded in the blast Ukraine has declared martial law in parts of the country following Russia's attack on three cranium ship Sunday the Bill passed in Ukraine's parliament, Monday gives president petro Porsche Anco extensive powers as tensions with Russia are their highest since Russia's invasion illegal annexation. Action of Crimea in two thousand fourteen in response to the crisis. US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley called an emergency meeting of the Security Council calling it yet another reckless escalation Russian escalation and no way for a law-abiding civilized nation to act President Trump on the other hand said he was quote, not happy about it at all but refused to condemn Russia's actions. Trump is planning to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin G twenty later this week over the objections of many US lawmakers Trump's last meeting with Putin in Helsinki in June was held off the record with only a pair of translators allowed into the closed door meetings in a court filing Monday the office of special counsel. Robert Muller said, former Trump campaign chair, Paul Manafort repeatedly lied to investigators invalidating his plea deal. The court documents do not detail the lies but pop accusers for the special counsel and manafort's lawyers have asked the judge in the case to move to sentencing Manafort. Meanwhile, former Trump advisor George popadopoulos reported to federal prison in Wisconsin Monday to start a fourteen day sentence. Popadopoulos pleaded guilty last year to lying about his communications with Russian context during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign. Utah. Republican congress member Mia love slammed President Trump in her concession speech, Monday after losing her congressional seat to democrat and Salt Lake county mayor than mcadams this is love responding to a question about Trump's lack of support for her campaign gave me a clear visit of his world acetates, no veal relationship. Convenient transactions that is an insufficient way to implement Cynthia service in policy in two thousand fourteen Mia love became the first and only black woman Republican ever elected to congress in her concession speech. She blasted her party for failing to reach out to voters of color after the midterm elections. Trump lamed Republican losses on their refusal to embrace him. Those are some of the people that decided for their own reason not to embrace whether it's me or what we stand for me. A love gave me no love and she lost to bid. So I bought that Mia. In more election news, the associated press's retracted its call in an ongoing house race in California's San Joaquin valley, Republican incumbent congress member David villa. Dowell was originally declared winner, but democrat TJ Cox pulled into the lead Monday by just a few hundred votes. If Democrats win the seat in California's twenty first congressional district. They'll reach a net gain of forty house seats in Mississippi nooses were found hanging outside the state capital. Monday morning ahead of today's Senate run off between Republican incumbent Cindy, Hyde Smith and democrat, Mike Espy Hyde. Smith is come under fire for praising campaign supporter at a campaign event days before the midterm with the words if he invited me to a public hanging. I'd be on the front row last week photos emerged showing Hyde Smith and confederate army cap posing with vintage rifle sword and other confederate artifacts her opponent. Mike Espy as African American. Meanwhile, President Trump appeared at two rallies in Mississippi Monday to campaign for. Senator Hyde Smith the center for disease control has confirmed. One hundred sixteen cases of the rare polio like disease acute flaccid, my elitest this year the condition which mostly affects children causes muscles and reflexes to weaken. And in some cases, become paralyzed. It's not known what causes the condition. Earlier this month, the FDA launched a task force to further investigate and combat the spread of the onus. An autopsy released Monday reveals Roxana Hernandez Rodriguez Thirty-three-year-old Honduran transgender woman who died while an ice custody in may was physically assaulted prior Turkey death, Hernandez Rodriguez arrived in the United States seeking asylum in early may of this year after traveling with a Central American caravan. She was fleeing persecution had survived a gang rape in Honduras at the time of her death. I said she died of dehydration and complications related to HIV an interview with the Daily Beast, her family's lawyer, Andrew free said, quote, she journey thousands of miles fleeing persecution and torture at home only to be met with the. Elect and torture in this country's for profit, human cages, unquote. She was held in a detention center run by core. Civic, the second largest private prison company in the United States in Washington state, a Russian asylum seeker held at the northwest attention center died Saturday, forty year old Amar American sauna had been on hunger strike for eighty six days when he was transferred to a hospital earlier this month after losing consciousness mayor sauna arrived in the US last December via the US Mexico border, and what's taken into ice custody. He began his hunger strike to protest conditions at the northwest attention center, which is run by the for profit prison geo group and it's possible deportation. The group northwest detention center resistance is demanding an investigation into his death. And here in New York City activists and members of community groups protested an Amazon bookstore Monday to call out. The recent decision to host part of Amazon's new expanded headquarters in queens, speakers, included, immigration, activists and transit and housing. Advocates. This is homeless activists Nathan flowers, a sa- Cigane, then giving Amazon a three billion dollar home. While we sixty nine thousand New Yorkers have to be home and sleep in shelters every night. They're trying to us from New York because so many of the company fifty and pushed out of our neighborhood as Siamese buildings. Go up all around us. We can't afford to live in them. That is set to get worse with Amazon comes here. And those are some of the headlines, this is democracy now democracy now dot org. The warring piece report, I made me Goodman Haugen solace. Welcome to all of our listeners in viewers across the country in the round the world. The Mexican government is demanding a full investigation after US border affaris fire teargas on the into a crowd of Central American asylum-seekers as they tried to push their way through the heavily militarized border near San Diego. Among those attacked were mothers and small children who were left gagging and screaming as teargas spread the migrants are mostly from Honduras Guatemala, and they'll Salvador are fleeing widespread violence, poverty and mass unemployment one photograph of the scene captured Honduran mother grabbing the arms of her two five year old twin daughters as Iran from a tear gas canister spoon. Fumes one of the daughters is in diapers. The other is barefoot the mother muddy mess later spoke to Reuters about what happened. While I felt sad scared in wanting to cry. That's when I grabbed my daughter's started running at that moment. I thought it was going to die with them because of the gas. We ran and we fell into the mud and struggled to get up of midst to gas, a young mom gave me his hand. And pulled me up to my feet. I wasn't expecting it. We never thought they were going to fire this bombs were there were children because there were lots of children not just mine there were more children with mutters there. They also started running to just like me. But I'm in the good good. Eat wasn't right. They know we are human beings the same as them. It wasn't right. That they did that to the children. God is the only one who will open the doors to us to see if we can get into the US or stay here. They wanna and for doors to be opened that maybe we can be given papers to work here because I'm a mother, and I need a job worked to allow my children to survive. The words under an asylum seeker Marie? Messa who was photographed at the border being teargassed along with her twin daughters on Sunday, the border patrol's use of tear gas has been widely condemned. The American Academy of pediatrics said in a statement, the use of tear-gas on children, including infants and toddlers and typers goes against evidence based recommendations and threatens their short and long term health on Monday. President Trump was asked about the teargassing of children. To feel. We saw the images of the women and children running from the tear-gas eulogise said why are they there have to start off? First of all, the guests is a very minor form of the teargas itself. It's very safe the ones that were suffering extent with the people that were putting it out there. But it's very safe. But you really say why is apparent running up into an area where the new the to is four being an it's going to be formed and they're running up with the child. Meanwhile, Trump has urged Mexico to deport thousands of Central American migrants who were at at or approaching the US sport or an attempt to seek asylum for more we go to San Diego, California, where we're joined by patriots, the director of the American friends service committee's US, Mexico border program, he witnessed the US border agents. Teargassing the migrants at the US Mexico border Sunday, welcome to democracy now. Pedro can you describe what happened? Thank you Amy for having me on the show. I was gathered with a number of people on the US side, and we were witnessing as many of the migrants were coming over to the primary fence to the pedestrian crossing way in sunny seasonal shortly thereafter, border patrol agent began firing what seemed to be these gas canisters into the crowd. We heard poppy noises and whizzing noises, and we also witnessed how a helicopter flew down low enough to use its rotors to push this plume of smoke of tear gas into the Panella where many of the migrants were gathering at form than it was clearly an aggressive action meant to debilitate all of the people who were there and my concern, especially with for the children who were breathing in these toxic fumes and pedal. Was there any warning issued a by the board? A patrol to disperse before. They actually started firing teargas. The first shot that I heard did not come after any sort of warning. They was very quickly shot. It was one shot that I heard one one bang and subsequent shots of tear gas. I did hear some sort of muffled warning. Or at least vocal announcement. I believe that might have been some sort of this call for disbursement, but the very first one did not follow any sort of warning. I wanted to ask you this comes in the days just before a major change of government in Mexico on nest Manuel Lopa Silva, those scheduled to be an argument is the new president though this weekend. There were reports in the Washington Post over the weekend at the Mexican government was arranging some kind of a deal with the Trump admit that Lopez those people were arranging some kind of deal with the US government to keep the Central American Silom seekers in Mexico possibly for months or even years while they're while their claims are being processed on the US. But then the Mexican government seemed to backtrack your sense of what's going on now and the change of government in Mexico and vis-a-vis this enormous crisis at the border. Yeah. That's exactly right. There was an announcement through a publication that there was some sort of Beal reached in which Mexico would serve as a waiting room for people who had presented themselves at the ports and were fighting inside them claim so Mexico would then house them in some sort of way. And while they waited or wait years for the claims to be processed. It seems that the Mexican incoming Mexican administration had saved that that's not entirely true that there are some sort of discussions taking place. But that there hasn't been any the old reach in any case. I think what that represents is is just changes that would tremendously impact migrants who are at this point already waiting months at the especially the mpc wine where there is a at least a five to six thousand weightless that could easily extended to three to four months while they try to figure out how to make their ends meet. We're looking at the show. To where many of them are staying that has turned into a muddy mess with recent rains. We're expecting rain to come later this week, which will excess repeat some of the concerns that we have especially health conditions that they're living under especially the children who are appearing in San Diego with upper respiratory illnesses and ear infections, then so this is clearly a humanitarian crisis that we're seeing that both governments the current Mexican government and Trump administration or are not responding to as they should speaking to CNN on Monday, the chief patrol agent of the border patrol, San Diego sector. Rodney Scott defended the decision to tear gas, the migrants kind of challenge that this was a peaceful protest or the the majority of these people are claiming Silom we'd have making about forty two arrests. Only eight of those were females and there were only a few children involved. The vast majority of the people who are dealing with adult males similar to what we saw the first wave. Of the caravan that came up about a week or so ago, the group immediately started throwing rocks debris at our agents. Taunting the agents once our agents were assaulted, and the numbers started growing, we had you know, two or three agents at a time initially facing hundreds of people to time they deployed tear gas to protect themselves to protect the border. So that was the chief patrol agent to the border patrol, San Diego sector. Rodney Scott later. He acknowledged none of his agents were seriously injured Patria if you can respond to what he said, and this excuse that the Trump administration has used saying it's mainly men, but then acknowledging its children, but Trump saying that the gas is safe. It's inexcusable and completely unwarranted that the border patrol would resort to this sort of violence. And I think what it response to it's part of the political theater that the Trump administration is trying to configure that the border community is out of control that there's a necessary response of violence that they need to further militarise it by bringing troops to the border. And in this way, it's if fits narrative that the Trump administration wants they want more money in their budget for border walls, and this -absolutely will be part of the debate that will be incoming with the the continuing resolution ending on December seventh. And so the continuation of that discussion will surely be impacted by some of the images, and and clearly manufactured crisis at the Trump administration is building in our communities, and it's unfortunate because it's it's our communities that are feeling the. Packed in signing. See throw alone, according to the chamber of commerce in the five hours that the cross-border traffic was stopped more than five point three million dollars were lost in in revenue. Just in the Sunnyside road, the small border town in San Diego County. So this has real significant impacts to our communities, and I wanted to ask you about one is going on in terms of mex-, the Mexican society's response to the Central American refugees. Apparently in some cities they were welcomed as the caravans were moving north. But in two one there's a mayor there who's sounds awful awfully like a president here in the United States and the way he talks about immigrants. Can you talk about this new native ISM developing within Mexico? You know, what's really interesting. Thank you for bringing that up. It's really interesting because mayor got Saloum has his spouse, very similar statements that I would say as as you mentioned sound like Donald Trump, his anti migrant rhetoric essentially has been fanning the flames of recent rise of native ISM in in China. But it's a small group of people. I would say that most people from declined a have been supportive of the migrants, especially around the where the shelter is located mental. It's very similar response as we saw of Mexicans that were welcoming and provided providing to some degree protection as they were making their way up north through Mexico in this case, we have identified at least three individuals who were involved in that anti migrant protests of of about three hundred people that actually work and reside in the US. One of them has been clear proponent and fan of Donald Trump. And and her Facebook page shows and indicates that she's a resident of of Tula vista, which is the second largest city in San Diego County. And so it's an opportunistic way of anti immigrant people to travel to the wanna and fan the flames of natives in which the mayor of the Quanta has also been doing, and it's an unfortunate response and clearly degrades the conditions of migrants who need to be neat to have their humanitarian needs met versus being attacked very very by these sorts of this sort of rhetoric and people that espoused these sentiments, and what does it mean, if Trump defies US law says asylum-seekers cannot come into the US to apply for asylum. But. Have to apply in Mexico. How does that change the process for them? Well, on the one hand, I think it places a larger burden on Mexican society as we've seen right now. Especially with the municipal government, not taking the full responsibility and obligation that it should be as well as the state and federal government in Mexico it places much greater tensions and frustrations for migrants who are trying to figure out how how to make ends me. And the US is trying to absolve itself by the Trump administration, not taking the full responsibility that it should not ensuring that they are is that they're obligated to take in people who are seeking asylum places people at greater risk, especially those who are in border towns like the quantum where there has been an increase of of violence because of infighting by the drug cartels, and so migrants will find themselves in the crosshairs of some of these. Dangerous circumstances in and the Trump administration is simply trying to wash his hands and using this again false narrative of a border out of control to justify more money for increased enforcement as well as his vanity wall. Hey, your ES one. Thank you for being with us drunk. She American friends service committee's US, Mexico border program witnessing the US border agents using tear-gas on Central American migrants on the US Mexico border, Sunday speaking to us from San Diego when we come back. We'll be joined by John Carlos fray, the end the award winning investigative reporter to talk about what's happening there and the acquittal of a border agent who shot through offense and killed Mexican teenager on Mexico sides. Stay with us. By Tra foul on the afro jazz orchestra featuring and then Zeferino. Julia Palacio and many more they were performing on the US Mexico border the system Crecy now, I made me Goodman with one kansallis we turn now to Tucson Arizona where last week jury found border patrol agent Lonnie swore it's not guilty of involuntary manslaughter for shooting and killing sixteen year old wholesale NFL that he goes through the US Mexico border fence and two thousand twelve the jury got had a hung decision on whether to bring a charge of voluntary manslaughter the unclear whether prosecutors will seek to try swertz third time a previous jury acquitted swertz on murder charges but deadlocked on lesser manslaughter charges. Authorities claim has saline of retrea guess was throwing rocks at agents over the border fence before swertz opened fire. The medical examiner say Jose was shot as many as eleven times with all, but one of the bullets striking from behind leading them to conclude. The teen was shot in the back as he lay on the ground. This is his mother are Sally retrea gas and his grandmother tied Elena. Speaking just after the verdict last Wednesday. The Laura the're giving him back should tip occasion keep killing because if they declared him not guilty after having killed a teenager with ten bullets in his body. They're giving him a green light and permission to continue killing. What happened? Here was an injustice an injustice because this is a crime more clear than water. And I still cannot understand how they can say the man is not guilty and the evidence is so clear right now one is left with anger feeling helpless to solution to the laws of the United States. Last Wednesday's verdict came after President Trump's at soldiers, deployed to the border could use deadly force. And after he suggested soldiers could respond to migrants throwing rocks with gunfire. We're joined now by John Carlos fray, he's in Los Angeles five time EMMY award winning investigative reporter PBS NewsHour special correspondent recently returned from reporting trips in quantum Mexico City Tijuana where he was documenting the migrant caravan he's reported extensively on who say Elena Rodriguez. The Mexican teenager killed by Lonnie swertz in two thousand twelve your response to the acquittal. Carlos thanks so much for being with us. And explain this case further to us. Sure. I'm not surprised I even. Hate to say that out loud. This is protocol this procedure. This is how the border patrol operates. They are free to fire their weapons at rock-throwers. They consider rock-throwing or projectile Iraq a lethal weapon. They consider it to be as lethal as a gun. So they can return fire in since two thousand ten documented ten cases where the US border patrol has fired its weapon into Mexico. Jose Rodriguez was standing in a sovereign country in a foreign country in Mexico. We have agreements with Mexico where we're not supposed to fire our weapons into that country. It's happened ten times in the year two thousand and six of those ten cases we've actually killed people standing on Mexican soil. As was with the fifteen year old I've stood where where the boy was standing. The fence itself is probably forty fifty feet away. And then the fence height is probably another sixty seventy. Feet up. It stands on a hilltop. So for a young kid who's pretty small boy to throw a rock over the fence into start striking border patrol agents is almost next to impossible. I've read the police report that was issued by the no gals. Police department on this particular case and on the night of the incident it appeared that there were rocks being thrown as a couple of individuals are trying to climb back over the fence into Mexico. According to the report these individuals were carrying bales of marijuana. They were trying to evade the border patrol. They were climbing back into Mexico rocks were being thrown in one of the rocks. Struck one of the border patrol agents dogs and the dog, and when the dog type someone said my dog has been hit and they opened fire. I I'm not quite sure what police agency in the United States would allow for their officers to open fire on someone throwing a rock and hitting a dog. But that seems to be exactly what incited this at least from the police report from the no gal. Police department protocol in this particular kind of a case at the border is very clear if there's an incident south of the border on the Mexico side, if something is happening, and we witness it or US agents witness what's going on on the Mexico side, the border patrol agents in this case should have called Mexican authorities. If there wasn't deed rock-throwing going on on the Mexico side where supposed to alert authorities on the Mexico side, and they're supposed to take care of their own country were not allowed by agreements to open fire. So that wasn't necessarily part of the case here the case, basically hinged on the fact that border patrol agents are allowed to fire on people. Throwing rocks been studies. Go ahead. I'm sorry. John. I wanted to ask you given cheered the number of bullets here. We're talking about ten bullets in the back. You're saying you review, the the police reports from the Mexican side on this situation that they recover the. The actual bullets of because if there were obviously if he was shot while he was on the ground the bullets would have been into ground after having hit him. What what's the forensic say about how these shots were fired? This was a young boy who had on his body a cellphone in his pocket. That's all he was carrying. He he wasn't armed evidence suggests that he was not throwing rocks. There were there was no residue on his hands around his fingers even appeared that he was one of the individuals. Throwing rocks. It appears by forensics, and the and the angle of the projectiles that the first bullet entered his head the kid fell to the ground. And as he fell to the ground the agent continued to fire an unloaded his weapon. He unloaded. His entire revolver into the back of the individual the boy was lying flat on the sidewalk as the agent continued to fire his weapon. So he was already down. He did not pose a threat if he wasn't throwing rocks. He stopped throwing rocks after the first bullet. And there was no reason to shoot another eight or nine bullets into the back of the individuals. So. That's the case there. The the case hinged on the fact whether or not the agent was allowed to fire his weapon and border patrol protocol suggests that he was allowed to fire his weapon, it's really the only police agency in the United States that is allowed to return fire gunfire when someone is throwing a rock. Studies have proved that after about fifty feet if someone standing fifty feet away from an individual the projectile the rock is not dangerous yet border patrol agents continue to fire their weapons at individuals who are throwing rocks. There has never been aborted patrol agent in the history and the hundred year history of the border patrol. That's been killed by a rock in in the history of the United States. In in regards to rock-throwing since seventeen ninety two when records where I kept. There's only one police officer in those over two hundred years that's actually been killed by a rock. It's not really lethal force. So the the fact that border patrol agents are allowed to fire their weapons at rock-throwers is something that we don't even agree with in international arenas. The State Department condemns rock-throwing and opening fire. Would it happens in foreign countries in the Israeli Palestinian conflicts? The State Department has condemned Israel soldiers for firing open opening fire on rock-throwers in Egypt. We've done the same thing, but we allow the border patrol to actually opened fire on rock-throwers. Let's go to President Trump escalating attack against Central American migrant caravans making their way to US Mexico border, including warning soldiers could shoot migrants for throwing rocks. We're not gonna put up with that. They wanna throw rocks milita. A military military fights back we're going to consider it. I consider rifle when they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military and police I say consider it a rifle considerate a rifle Giancarlo spray. You put that together with the number of increased number of border patrol agents. Now, thousands of US soldiers along the border. Well, if you look at the incidence of border patrol agents opening fire, there's over the statistics last statistics that are available about three hundred incidents in two thousand fourteen of rock-throwing the US Mexico border and the border patrol agents. Opening fire about twenty percent of the time. So this is common. This is what border patrol agents to there are many ways that border patrol agents can protect themselves. They can drive away from the scene step back. They could use shields to protect themselves. There are many ways instead of using lethal force. There are many protocols in law enforcement that basically say that that agents should use commensurate or equal force if somebody holds a gun to you, then you're allowed to open fire. But if somebody throws a rock, I don't see it as an as an equal amount of force coming back. I'm not saying that border patrol agents are not in danger, and they don't they don't experience rock-throwing. But as I've said before not one border patrol agent in the history of the border patrol has been killed by a rock. So I'm not quite sure why we're allowed to return lethal force. I've spent time in the yeah. Go ahead. John. I wanted to ask you to take to a broader. A broader scope on this issue, you traveled through Mexico, and and trying to deal with how to report on how how these caravans and Central American migrants and refugees have developed a wanted wondered if you could talk about two aspects that don't get very much much attention in terms of what drives the migrant the migrants and refugees. One is the issue of the growing drought recently in Central America. And to also this whole issue of the deportation of felons who were convicted in the United States, maybe raised in the United States, but we're originally from Salvador or Guatemala Honduras have been deported in recent decades. I think the Washington Post reported that Salvador alone over twenty year period, ninety five thousand people were deported from the US after getting out of prison back to to well, Salvador, just one point five percent of the entire population of Salvador, people that were deported back. To the country after serving time here in the US, the impact of of these criminals, then going down to their the countries where maybe they were born in. But they don't really know and developing the kinds of drug gangs that then force people to flee. Well, you bring up to two very good reasons for people to leave Central America, and the one that you just mentioning we have a program in California. And and now in the United States where we will deport people who have green cards people who are in the country, legally, if you're a gang member, and it really doesn't matter if you've been in the United States, most of your life. It also doesn't matter necessarily what crimes you may have committed. If you're a gay member, we're going to deport you. We have every right to resume your legal status, and we're going to send you back to the country of origin. Even if you came to the United States child, and so that's exactly what we've done that that number ninety five thousand is actually a bigger number than I even thought, but we have deported. Tens of thousands of gang. Members back to Central America. Many of them back to el-salvador, and El Salvador, just experienced its own civil unrest about twenty five thirty years ago, we were deporting criminal entity into a country that didn't even have law enforcement. They were not stable. So what happened is these gangs reconstituted, and El Salvador, and they're now ruling the country, they they joined back up in the prisons and the criminal enterprise, and El Salvador, also in Guatemala Honduras. For the most part are running the show. That's where the violence is coming from a seed that we planted from the United States into countries that were not stable. We didn't even give any sort of a of a dossier or any sort of paperwork that allowed the countries to understand who. And what we were poured. It we did not give them the crimes that they had committed. How much time they had served in prison or who these individuals were. We basically just said here you guys deal with this problem. We're going to wash our hands of it. Now, we're reaping the rewards of of deporting this criminal element. In addition to that you mentioned the drought. There is a four to five year prolonged drought in Central America in a region known as the dry corridor. It encompasses parts of Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador this year was one of the worst years of the drought in some regions. There was ninety two one hundred percent crop failure eighty percent of the region of this dry. Corridor is rural it relies solely on agriculture as the. Base of the economy, and if the crops fail there are no other jobs. There's no other place to go and people are starving. I've interviewed dozens if not more people who have left Central America who are part of this particular migrant caravan who are hungry they cannot feed themselves or their families. They've lost their crops. They don't have any other way to make a living and they're coming to the United States, basically for food. I talked to a woman who was twenty five years old. She was with her two year old. She was living on one tortilla a day. That's all she could afford. And she came because there was just no other way for her. So we're not dealing with these factors that are sending people here. Putting concertina wire up at the border is not going to solve someone's poverty is not going to solve the violence in Central America. Certainly not gonna put food on the table. Which is why people are coming and you spend time just last week in Tijuana talk about the situation there, John. Take five thousand people put them in a city with with no place for them to go. There's no place for them to sleep. There's no place for them to eat in the city is doing its best to make makeshift shelters for that large of a of a population. I stayed in in a baseball camp baseball stadium, which was a makeshift shelter. The migrants are living outdoors in the elements. People have provided tents and blankets. They're shipping in food on a daily basis. There are porta-pottys there are outdoor showers. There are I think Pedro mentioned all of the children, many of the individuals are are women and children and families that that are coming from Central America. And for the most part, this is a large group of people who are homeless. I didn't see anybody with a gun. I didn't see anybody who was a terrorist or a drug dealer or what I can determine to be a criminal. These are families looking for better life looking for a better situation. Many of them are asylum seekers. I met families whose some of their loved ones had been assassinated by gang members who'd been extorted who'd been threatened with their lives, and they were fleeing violence by our own asylum laws. They may qualify they have a right to claim asylum. So these people are not from the most part on lawful, I physically traveled with him. I sat in the back of a semi trailer. I walked with them. I I hung out with him for for days on end. I never felt threatened. So I don't understand how the president of the United States could point a gun at the poor. Because that's what I witnessed I witness for the most part, poverty and desperation and for the United States a beacon for immigrants and a place that used to welcome immigrants of such background is pointing guns at them and building taller higher stronger. Fences is not the country that I understand to be and the teargassing this weekend as you just left Tijuana. I don't I don't really see what the need for teargas is. We have a mighty US border patrol force. We have the military at the border. They have helicopters at their disposal. They have all kinds of Queant to be able to defend the border. If that's what they need to do and they can arrest people if they're coming across the border tear gas is not even used in theatres of war. You cannot control where the tear gas is going to go as I said in Pedro said many of the people there are women and children and tear gas has a negative effect. So it appears to me that this is a stage for the president and for politicians to stand on to look tough to look like they're protecting the United States. But but indeed protecting them for people who are not even threat. I find it to be cowardice Carlos fray one. Thank you for being with us five time any award winning investigative reporter and PBS NewsHour special correspondent just back from the. Order area. This is democracy. Now just wanted to read the comment of Karen Attiyah who is the global opinions editor for the Washington Post happens to be kashogi she's editor, but she said about what happened on the border. This is how American media would describe this. If this happened in a non western country and Eric in security forces under the Trump regime used chemical weapons and across border operation against unarmed. Asylum seekers, including children Attiyah ended her tweet by writing Mike, this is democracy. Now back with Tom Robbins in a moment. Let this. Big he rules through hill him do. Voda me this done. Kamal keys. Sukey? Thumb Sylvia Turner, love by the this is democracy. Now. I mean, he Goodman with one Gonzales why is call Taylor dead. That's the question asked by the Marshall project in a major new investigation out today that looks at the mental health crisis and US prisons by diving deep into the story of Carl Taylor an inmate at a maximum security prison in the Catskills of New York who died after an altercation with prison guards in two thousand fifteen call Taylor was serving out a minimum twenty seven year cents for a rape conviction when his life came to a sudden and that the Sullivan correctional facility in April of two thousand fifteen the African American press have been diagnosed with delusional disorder and paranoid personality disorder when he was taken into custody in nineteen ninety-five by April of two thousand fifteen Taylor was house and special unit Sullivan for prisons classified as mentally ill. He'd spent nearly. Ten years in solitary confinement. That's when he got into what would turn out to be fatal altercation with a prison guard investigative reporter, Tom Robbins looks not only Carl Taylor's death. But also at how people insistence repeatedly failed Taylor over the twenty years. He spent in prison the result is a sweeping look at the state of mental health in the US prisons is the number of persons with mental health issues continues to rise despite the overall number of people in prison decreasing at the time of Carl Taylor's death, one fifth of the prison population in New York state's correctional facilities diagnosed with mental illness for more Tom Robbins joins us here in New York studio, the author of why as Carl Taylor dead the investigation from the Marshall project in partnership with the Atlantic. Welcome back to democracy. Tell us what happened on April thirteenth two thousand fifteen. Carl Taylor was someone who had been in prison for twenty years at that point and throughout he had twice been sent to the state's prison psychiatric hospital to get court ordered medications to basically come the demons that haunted him. He was a band who had probably suffered mental illness most of his life. We don't know whether or not anything was diagnosed before he was arrested and sent to prison for an awful crime. He was convicted of rape. But we do know that the very month that he was taken into state custody. They said this is a verily mentally ill. And yet despite that he bounced around for twenty years in some of the toughest prisons in New York state maximum security, prisons, like Clinton like Attica, any ends up here Seligman in a unit that was supposed to be kind of a safe area for those who had mental. Problems and other disabilities. But was policed by guards who had very little training and most of them not much interest in dealing with folks who have those kinds of problems, and he had been unwilling or unable to clean his cell which had been searched and trashed in the way guards do it when they go through teen Lee searching through people's cells. And he said, I'm not cleaning it up and one guard in particular was so outraged by his refusal to do it that he kept insisting you're going to clean it up or there's going to be problems and on that morning altercation broke. There's two versions of what happened the guards say that Carl Taylor swung. I and decked a guard named Bruce Tucker every inmate that's been interviewed about this case by myself, and by the attorneys who are handling the civil suits resulted from it give it a completely opposite version that the guard named Bruce Tucker struck. Curl Taylor, so hard that one inmate said it sounded like the crack of a baseball. He was dead within a half hour. Tom. Oh, this whole issue of the mentally ill in prisons a lot of people want. They don't know the percentage of the great percentage. But also assume this always been so, but this really wasn't always. So wasn't there. A period when our government state governments, especially started D institutionalizing, the mentally ill closing down mental health facilities, and then the prison population of the mentally ill who were in than skyrocketed because they were they basically were thrown out of these mental hospitals where they were before there's debate among the experts as to whether or not you can say, that's the parallel. But there's no question. That's the way the numbers go. In fact, there are charts that show just like that you know, that the number of people declining in the state mental institutions to the number of mentally ill. In prisons goes up of a lot of those institutions as you, and I remember willowbrook got shut down because they were terrible places to reside. It you know, and they were terrible. Being done to folks there. The idea was that people would be able to get medication and stay in their community for some people that worked out, but for a lot of people that didn't. And so instead of figuring out an interim way to deal with these folks we just sent them into prison we continue to do that. And what was brisk Tucker Schreker the prison guard who apparently, according to friends, I've done a lot of these stories at this point. And usually you can find a long legal trail, and you can find instances where the officer had been sighted. Tucker had never been disciplined for anything that happened. And yet there was a universal opinion amongst those who dealt with including folks who worked in a special mental crisis unit that Tucker was known for being very rough with prisoners at one of the unique things about this story is that we have extensive quotes from one of his colleagues another guard who worked in the same unit who said, basically, he didn't think Tucker was cut out for corrections. He said that as he was giving a deposition to the lawyers in the case, we wouldn't be sitting here now talking about this. If not for British took. Tell us how how much difficult to you had an actually ferreting out this story because obviously the prisons are not the kinds of places where you just filed for your information requests, and you oughta medically within a few days get a response for them to prison authorities to your request. How were you able to ferret out this story, I played in a usual role in this piece one, you know, reporters usually supposed to take a stand off, you know, like just follow whatever you can find Carl Taylor died about three months after I'd finished a very long piece about Attica for the Marshall product and the New York Times and during the interviews for that piece, I met with the state corrections Commissioner who told me we have zero tolerance policy for abuse by staff, and then the death of Carl Taylor, but then within another week there was another name stable Harrow who was killed in fishkill at the same time. And I wanted to know what had happened with Carl Taylor. And I I managed to find a. Couple of people who are still incarcerated, and I found a guy who had just gotten out who'd been a witness. But nobody knew who is family were they just they should please. If you find his family configure our condolences because they built a terrible, and I couldn't find them. But eventually I found an online obituary that it ruined the Albany times union. And I went to the funeral parlor, which is not far from the state capital, just left my car. I would really like to talk to the family if they'd care to talk to me later that day. I got a call phone. Julia Ramsey nobles who Carl's older sister. And she was very skeptical. Like what what does she said to me? I said down. Why does it any cook Asian really care about an African American life? You know, and I was like we'll I just wanna know what happened to your brother, and I gave her the number of a prison reform advocate. I knew said look if you want to pursue this beyond I'm gonna chase it. But if you want to pursue this on your own talk to this person, and she did. And as a result this extrordinary effort, but this law firm Patterson Bill Knapp with and Tyler has led to getting documents and records that I never would have been able to get even with her for your information act. That helped me do the story Taylor was in solitary confinement for a decade. What affect us that have half of the time. He was in prison, you know, every single expert. Agrees the even short periods of time in solitary confinement. Disables people that it makes sane people. Crazy, it makes crazy people much crazier. There's no question at one point after he'd been in solitary confinement for long period of time. Carl Taylor was observed on all four barking like a dog. You can just imagine the kind of pain guy must've been into been. Performing like that. And and yet they're solution to that was more punishment. They would send sent him twice to the state hospital, and it would work for a while. And then he would be right back in the same position. But what about the mental health services given declining prison populations? Hardly, New York, state and other states. You would think that this day would have a little extra money to be able to Volta better mental health treatment for those who are incarcerated well, the state has extensive programs for dealing with mentally ill prisoners, and they will tell you that they have many of these satellite units, including the one that crow Taylor was into Sullivan correctional facility, and there are lots of carrying doctors, and nurses psychologists who were there. I think the problem is is they're still in a correctional environment where which are like being in the army is military rules. You know, I had a great quote from Brian Fischer, who's the former. Commissioner of corrections for New York state who said what do we do with an inmate who is getting an order from a guard at the same time. He's getting an order from the voice in his head which voices gonna listen to Carl Taylor clearly listened to the voice is tragedy resulted. Why is Carl Taylor dead? That is the name the title of the piece subtitled, our prisons are our mental wards Tom Robbins, contributing writer with the Marshall project investigative journalists residents at the graduate school of journalism at CUNY congrats on your limits recently for your investigative journalism. Thank you one. We if you can stay we to just continue to ask you about the kind of changes that are being talked about in the New York state and countrywide in prisons. I mean, he couldn't.

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Can Bernie Sanders win?

"First the big event podcast becoming total SF and we're going to highlight would still great about San Francisco will interview colorful characters share history pay tribute to our favorite. Sf movies and just have fun total SF. Wherever you get your podcasts welcome to. It's all political the San Francisco. Chronicle's political podcast. I'm gear fully the chronicle senior political writer and today in the podcast. I'm very pumped about the guests. It's a decent. Democracy are you may not know the main but he is the perfect guest for the perfect time to talk about what? We're GONNA talk right now. He's going to be talking about the California primary which was on March third. He's GonNa be talking about the national race and what does it? Matter that Bernie Sanders is leading the race in that people. Kinda freaked out because he's a democratic socialist. Does that matter add diesel? Take on all these things. They're all in his wheelhouse any knocks it out of the park and now here's my conversation with the DC. We see welcome to San Francisco. My Fellow Oakland or you are the perfect guest at the perfect time right now. just for For the guests who don't know him not only ran a nuisance Gubernatorial campaign a winning campaign. Thousand Eighteen. You were on the Hillary team in two thousand sixteen and you ran cory booker's presidential campaign here in Twenty nineteen twenty twenty. Welcome thank you. It's it's It's good to be here and it's good to be home. No doubt no doubt okay. Let's let's talk to the news the date it's freaking everyone out at certain the Democratic Establishment Bernie Sanders is the front runner. Can't he win the nomination? Oh yeah absolutely. He can not only can he? I think he's he's the odds on favourite at this point I think the results in Nevada on Saturday to me are a bit of a harbinger of things to come. He won about a third of the vote the raw vote but almost half of the delegates And almost half of the state delegates almost two thirds of the or two thirds of the national delegates. And I think as long as the field stays as it is that could be a result. We see a lot including here in. California next Tuesday and he can he be president trump. Yes I think he can. I think I think I think every candidate. I think any candidate who ran. Could I think the big you know the thing that people aren't seeing necessarily is it changes the map? It may be and it changes who the swing. Voters are may look a little different than what we are are used to but I remember the same things people said about President Obama twelve years ago and he won Indiana and North Carolina and other states. That we didn't even think at this point twelve years ago. Were in play and so it will be you know. If he's the nominee it would be a very unusual map in unusual race. I think that would change. How would it look different I don't know I think I think Florida is the state that I'd be most most worried about. It's traditional swing state. It's got a ton of electoral votes. Think third most in the country but fourth in the country but I think you'll be very tough for him to win Florida. But maybe he puts other states in the mid West like Ohio. Back on the map for In a way that they wouldn't be for other candidates so I I don't know I haven't seen the polling to be honest. A lot of things change over the course of the campaign but That's the one that comes to mind immediately. I looked up at the socialism thing today or over the weekend I should say he will. I will clarify that. Center Center. Says. He is a self described democratic socialist over the weekend Carson. Jim Clyburn has the number three person the house intellectual figure in South Carolina politics and the of course will have their primary on Saturday after record this he said I do not believe. I do believe it will be an extra burden for us to ca have to carry being a socialist. This is South Carolina and South Carolina are pretty leery about that title Socialist and so I think that that would be a real burden for us new state or Congressional district that we have to do well at if you look at how well we did the last time and look at the congressional districts these were not liberal or what you might call progressive districts. These were basically moderate and conservative districts that we did well in and in those districts. It's going to be tough to hold onto those jobs if you have to make the case for a for accepting a self proclaim democratic socialist other words. He's worried about losing. The house would Bernie on the top of the ticket mean for the House and the Senate I think. That's the chief argument against him. At this point I think he can beat president trump. I think it could have effects. Like leader Clyburn talks about down ballot in the Senate You know we were just talking about the states. That may or may not be on employee of Sanders is the nominee one of those I think as North Carolina which has maybe our number one if certainly top three pickup opportunity for Democrats in the Senate So in the Senate and the House as he talks about so I think a lot of ways that is the argument. The political argument at least against the Sanders nomination. It's not actually to me at least as much about beating Donald Trump it's about. What is the down ballot effect? And what is the collateral effects of having somebody with his ideology and And so forth at the top of the ticket put so it would affect the top area would affect the down ticket. You think so. Yeah you know my my gut says yes. I think there will be a lot of Democrats. Statehouse stay to set it Who are on the ticket with him. That would distance themselves from his ideology or his positions to be fair. That would be true of Eddie candidate right. There will be folks on the left to disagree with a candidate who would come from the center But I think that the biggest challenge with Sanders Sanders nomination will be. How does the party come together? And how does it work top to bottom president? You Know Mayor City Council in a coordinated campaign And that it could be a challenge so the day to day. Some of these guys are worried like they would have to answer a question like. Would you support a Socialist Do you support Medicare for all they would. They would feel that they would be boxed into a corner if Bernie Sanders was on the top of the ticket that absolutely I think you know. Presidential elections are different for midterm elections last year or two thousand eighteen. We were you know. You're essentially running hundreds of small individual campaigns in Orange County where we took over all of the congressional districts down there or whatever state Senate race be out there without question the the presidential race is going to dominate the airwaves. It's going to dominate the conversation. Over the course of the next eight months and so If you are down ballot candidate you cannot. You cannot help but be affected by what happens above you on that ticket and so I do think that if you are congressional candidate who is in a truly ideological moderate district or or Lean Republican district Having somebody that far to the left is going to be a challenge to navigate in California. Would that be a Josh harder? Who flipped the district in the Central Valley? Would that be a TJ Cox in slipped district with those guys have to? They might be. I think so. I think you know there's orange. County district are a little different because it's more suburban educated. I think and less conservative. I think in the sort of maybe her public Harley Ruta he's Katie Porter type. Districts are highly educated pretty liberal. I would say new Democrats now as opposed to you. Have you know a pretty conservative in the Central Valley With harder and and Cox and so I think there a lot of district that we picked up in two thousand eighteen. Where if you're a harder or a cox or their equivalents across the country. You're going to basically want to run a race that is completely divorced from the top of the ticket it can be done. I mean it happened in twenty Eighteen twenty eight. I'm sorry with trump that he was in a similar position at the top of the ticket and people still managed to win down ballot The one difference. I will say about that very quickly. As a lot of the states in particular on the Senate that we that Republicans held in two thousand sixteen were red states that they were holding. We are actually trying to pick up seats in red and purple states. Which makes it a little bit. Different but Yeah it's going to be if this is what happens. I think it's going to be the internal Democratic Party politics to Mir the thing that's the most interesting and the most challenging. What is You are You're someone who bridges all parts of the Party? And you were. You know the the establishment that those are the highest the top of the the party. Hell Freak Dart. How freaked out are people right now? I'm in the level of freak out from one to ten. Where are we? I think I think there's a divide. I don't know the answer to that. I would say it's over five. Let's say amongst people who are anti sanders. It's getting closer to ten by the day I think there is a division though between people who are worried about sanders ability to trump. Which I think is again. I don't think anybody is an overwhelming favourite. I think people are people are a little too sure of themselves when they say that he's definitely going to lose. But that's where my that's where I land so there is one segment of the party that I think is all about sanders ability to be trump. And and we should we should be. We should all be scared about who going to be able to be trump. I think there's the other part of the party that I subscribe to. That is more worried about. What does it mean for the party? What does it mean for the down valid etcetera etcetera and? Those freak outs are happening sort of in parallel parallel. So you know they're coming together and maybe multiplying As opposed to adding. But it is. It is You know this is what the Party the party is going to decide. The voters of the Party are going to decide to percent of them voted so far we still have ninety eight percent to go. A lot can happen though. I think you asked me up front. I think we are likely headed towards us. Enders plurality of the delegates. And if it's a big enough plurality I think he'll end up being the nominee What what candidate has the is the best chance to be an alternative Bernie Sanders at this of the remaining candidates? That is an excellent question. I think I don't think any of them could actually be. Yeah that's actually overstating it. I think I think probably Joe Biden at this point of the candidates that are that are remaining. Say but that can change depending on the results. Saturday. Yeah if a narrow victory or if he were exactly so it's a it's a moving target. The reason why I say Biden is this universal name. Recognition is is extremely valuable at this point in the race when we turn to March and universal likeability and Joe Biden while he's taken a bit of a hit in terms of his favorability over the course of the last few weeks is still amongst the Democratic primary electorate basically universally known and universally liked. And we're about to go into a three week. Stretch where more than half of the Democratic primary electorate is going to weigh in and you can't manufacture that over the course of these three weeks you have to already have. It manufacturer a boots on the ground. You can't manufacturer campaign operations and fortunately the Buddha judges in the shores of the world haven't yeah has actually. I mean Warren for sure to has and she's actually the one other one that I would say in an odd way would be At this point strongest against Against Bernie because she has actually manufactured that that's where she's been spending all this money for the last year and you can't. You can't buy time spent money on what on on building that organization. She has staff on the ground in Texas and then Missouri which comes up on March ten and in the you know Massachusetts or home state and Super Tuesday so so she spent a lot of money and time doing that in two thousand nineteen is hoping it pays off here in March But Biden between Biden and more and for different reasons. I think they have that they could be strong. I think Bloomberg is the other one. Obviously he's already spent half a billion dollars you could spend half a billion dollars more In March alone if he felt like it and money talks and can buy you neighboring. The things I talked about before favorability name recognition etcetera etcetera. So I don't think it's a foregone conclusion for Bernie yet but the problem is as long as there are three or four or five options. I didn't talk about Pete. And Amy but they're still in the race. You're going to have those people splinter and Or people who support them who don't support Bernie splinter amongst them and Bernie just has his hardcore quarter to a third of the people and it's probably enough to win. What what is the image of Bloomberg? How has he reshaped the race since being in here of course dreadful debate performance the other night how is he reshaped the race and can he can he? Can He win? I think yes he can win. I think yes. He can be trump as well. I think the challenge for Bloomberg is is the one I talked about before. He's trying to buy what Joe Biden had which is name recognition and favorability and he in Super Tuesday states in particular. And you know half a million dollars is a lot of money. leave him but For perspective more than what Obama spent in two thousand twelve entire Reelection campaign and more on at least on television by orders of magnitude of what the other candidates have run combine or what. Obama did in eight and twelve. And so I think the answer is yes but the only way he does. It is by sheer force of resources. He has sixty billion dollars so that the resources he could in theory throw at it but yeah he can win. He will not be able to win if he is not the last candidates standing against Bernie but I also feel that way about buying my feel that way about Warren and that's the prisoner's dilemma game. Theory situation that we find ourselves in now. Which is I think anybody could beat Bernie one on one. But we're not going to get to a one on one in time for it to for the first time would be the four super to by next. Tuesday. That's not gonNA happen to them. So that's it's a it's a true Collective action problem that is going to lead to An outcome that probably all the other candidates don't want but that's politics nobody wants to get out Let's okay so let's say this goes to the Convention Bernie does not sit. Are you kind of alluded to is a plurality but he does not have enough to clinch the nomination. Then we go to a second ballot before we get to that point. Is there someone in the party? Who has the respect and power to be a true broker here and the two names that come to mind our policy and Barack Obama I'm dubious about Pelosi because I don't know how far her power extends beyond Washington and I'm dubious about the president because I don't the he wants to get his hands dirty. I don't know what's your take on your you. You're closer to vote these. I think the other name you might WanNa add to that. I read this morning in a article. I think is right as Senator Schumer. Who who does I think? Pelosi in Schumer both have the interests of their members and those down ballot races at top of mind and so what they say will essentially would essentially represent the their caucus and sort of the political interest of their caucus. But I think the the real answer is is Brcko Bama and nobody else and I think his I I don't think people do it and why not ultimately he wants the voters to make the decision? I think his responsibility is to bring the party back together. Once the voters have made their decision to put his finger on the scale One either for or against Bernie or for one of these other candidates before voters have waited that's traditionally what former presidents do and. I think it's the right thing to do. He can go there in July in Milwaukee and stand on the stage and give a forceful endorsement of whoever the nominee ends up being and that moment will be an enormously import. It may be the most important moment in a lot of ways for our party Between now and November. Because he's the only one who can bring us back together so that's that's his role as they bring you know after the if indeed sanders is a nominee. And there's lots of somebody else then he brings everybody. I think that speech that he gives at the convention is going to be a critical critical moment. to our ability to come together and ultimately be Donald Trump. And what are your concerns is if the nominee is not sanders and then he has a lot of of supporters. Who are going to be. You're going to be pissed off. They're going to be like. Oh my this this is the system is rigged again. Here we come in here with the More delegates anybody else. And were were hosed. Would what what happens? it's It's a very good question. I think that then it's up to Senator Sanders And what he does again. I think it's unlikely that somebody with a plurality of delegates gets denied the nomination and less and this is my personal opinion. It's a political opinion. Not a rule that the margin is so close between the top two people that there's a plausible argument and there's sort of momentum at the end for the second person. There's a plausible argument to say. You know this person was strong in February and March. I'm strong here in May and June. I'm close We shouldn't just ratify results from six months ago or five months ago outside of that eventuality. I don't think it's I. I don't think it's likely that that whoever comes in second is going to end up as the nominee. But if they do it's up to Bernie and it was up to Birdie in two thousand sixteen and I don't think to be frank that he did a good enough job of it You Know Sanders folks and senator. Tim Sells himself disagree. But it is you know you look back to what happened in this party in two thousand and eight. Hillary Clinton had a much stronger argument for you know really Digging in her heels fighting to the convention And Tearing the party apart and she did literally everything she could to bring the. Party together Before the commissioning after I don't think he did the at the same effort in sixteen. All of our nominees are going to have to do that. Here in two thousand twenty because the threat is of another trump term is just too high and we'll be back for more of my conversation with the after the short break. If you've been listening to San Francisco City insider you heard from Jason Bodine months before his surprise election as the city's. Da you heard from the most loved librarian in the country and you heard from the man who wants to remake Muny. I'm chronicle columnist Heather Knight get to know the people who make San Francisco Tick NC if you approve of their burrito choices on San Francisco City insider let's California California already booked as reporting. That's one of the fourteen states casting ballots on March third. You have run a state wide campaign here. I'll be it for governor but you know you know all parts of the state why explained what is unusual about California and you know Doing a story about the candidates hosting budejovice over in Turlock the other day like Buddha jet in Turlock what the hell so why. Why is he there and talk about You know every you have to get fifteen percent of the votes in a Congressional district to even qualify for delegates. So that's yeah that's why he was there And that's why you'll see. I think in the next week strategies where the candidates go and where they advertise. Obviously as well is a just a red light signal about what What they're trying to do here but ultimately you know California is a media state. You know you. Can't I think Sanders announced that he knocked a million doors in this state? Which isn't very impressive thing to do. It's also a drop in the bucket compared to what you could do a million dollars a lot of doors but compared to the number of voters number of doors number of people who are going to be But roughly two million dollars a week if you want to advertise on TV statewide low. Yeah I would say three to four three or four To do something credible and nobody's doing that except for Bloomberg but ultimately what these candidates WanNa do is they want to get to fifteen percent in as many districts as they can and I think most importantly to get to it state wide Because not only are the delegates allocated by district they're also delegated that large ones are allocated By your state wide performance and so there is a world I think is a very likely world that sanders and maybe only one other candidate hit that fifteen percent statewide And a bunch of candidates get fourteen thirteen twelve and thirteen is functionally getting zero In a congressional district or an estate because in a a state wide. Because you're just not going to get any delegates and so that is the dream scenario for Sanders. The nightmare scenario for others but a very likely scenario and we just thought in Nevada You know only sanders and Biden got to fifteen percent statewide and that's why Sanders got so many delegates despite only getting Thirty four percent of the of the raw vote when they when folk showed up at the caucus. So you're playing a very different game on March third here in California. Then you've been playing over the courses. So what do you do if you're not a sanders? Who's been here? Let's let's give him credit. The these guys have been here since last. May they've been organizing the ground phenomenal job organization organizing in Latino Communities You do if you're not one of those guys would you? How do you organize here? What what's your strategy to can you? Can you do like a rural strategy? I'm going to pick off the TURLOCK. It's too late to docks of the world. It's too late to do it on the ground you needed to be investing and this is where I was talking about war and before you needed to be investing in twenty nineteen to be able to pull that off. Sanders did his anyone else. Bloomberg has people on the ground It's still not enough in this state. At least it's impressive but it's not enough but I would say Sanderson Bloomberg the only folks who have enough people in the state to do anything it's really a media game it's about. Can you afford not just television but digital direct mail? You name it radio to To persuade enough people in those districts where you might be close to fifteen to put you over fifteen and so my gut is if you're Buddha gender closure or Biden for that matter you are polling can by the Congressional district if you if you can afford it certainly by the state by media market and trying to see where you might be plus or minus a couple points near fifteen and then you're throwing your money there to try to to try to get you over that fifteen percent threshold and if it's just you and Sanders and some of these places you're GonNa get a lot of delegates for fifteen or sixteen percent and But again nobody other than Sanders and Bloomberg. Have you know ground operations here but not born does but it's more political than ground? It's more outreach. I think it really is Anderson Bloomberg pretty much One to all right. You tweeted the other day. Oh Gosh Oh my God this is just WanNa remind everyone. The California won't be close to finishing the count or allocating delegates until several days in parentheses. At least past Super Tuesday so prepare to be very angry on A little bit of joke as people know it. That's the truth but you know all these things we're talking about with fifteen percent thresholds and and statewide and Congressional districts. Total number of ballots. We're not going to know the real numbers in California probably until April Certainly until the end of March and people have been freaking out about the Iowa and Vada how long it takes global and I'm just like calm down like I get. The people hate caucuses. And I get it and I think we're GONNA have a real conversation and the party about whether caucuses are are right for picking presidential primary. What I have a soft spot for them but I think as long as we're going to require we've basically turned them into primaries with these new rules of reporting out these three numbers etcetera. So I think this is probably the caucuses to be. Honest but let. Let's just calm down. Everybody like it. I would rather people get it right and get it fast. I know we want to be able to do our snap analysis. And what have you but like? I remember from sixteen. Hillary was way ahead on on election night in California. And by the time. All the provisionals late coming absentees here in California came got counted the gap closed by like. I don't know I think it was like eight points. I mean really significant changes so I just was trying to put with my little twitter following. Pour some water on the idea. That like it's okay for us to win the governor's race at twenty eighteen I mean you're the bull out but There were congressional races decided three weeks. I was fighting for sixty. We got there Yeah you know that was like my internal. I was I wanted. I wanted to win by the biggest margin ever and we didn't get to sixty until like a week later I was. I was refreshing just like everybody else. Maybe it's a little cocky but But you know it's GonNa take a week it's GonNa take two weeks it that's what it's GonNa be We HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE. Have to be okay with it I want. Let's go back talked about Corey Campaign for a little bit one. This is something that people ask me all the time and I get in conversations about this. Why didn't Cory Booker? Catch on is a senator. He's a mayor of a small city. Smart Rhodes scholar Stanford Law School Progress. Progressive of viewpoints. Unbelievable Speaker. That man sweats through shirt and burns down the building when he when he speaks. What happened why? Didn't he catch on a week in Hawaii? I've had a month or so to marinate on it. I think a couple things one is. I think that just the pure politics tactics of it. We were blocked and a lot of ways by a lot of other candidates in terms of Media attention polling. You name it and when you say blocked with demand sort of were the second choice of a lot of people Given the huge number of people in the race we were second choice of a lot of people but not the first choice of enough. I think that would have changed if we had made it to February and March. But that brings me to the second thing which is the Po- The day qualifying thresholds really hurt. And it's I don't think it's an accident that the only candidates that are left are the ones who were on the debate stage in December and January. you know it became a Indicator viability to the world including the press. And I would say for the last three months of the campaign certainly last of the campaign the first question we got any political interview or from any endorser who we were seeking or whatever it is. Are you going to make the debate stage and does that indicate the viability of your campaign? And so we got into this sort of spiral about all of that. I think the other piece of it was impeachment From the moment and on September I believe September twenty four th if I remember the day exactly that That Nancy Pelosi did her press conference. Impeachment became the dominant story nationally. We couldn't get we could. It was very hard to punch a message through at a critical moment for us. We needed to be surging in the polls to get on the debates ages etc so it was a combination of a lot of factors may not have been as time our message you know may not have resonated at this moment in in American history but Corey said to me way back at the beginning that his goal of this was to bring people to him not to change who he was just to win it on the nation and You know we brought a lot of people along. We increase name recognition his his favorability. But it just wasn't as moment what does it mean that These people are no longer in the race. Cory Booker. Comma Harris William Castro. How much is this is about race? And how much of this about That they didn't make the debate stage. I think a significant amount is about race. And here's why Isaac Dove Air from the Atlantic wrote a piece before we got out sometime in December. I think it was about the sort of the second order racism It's really what it really comes down to his about electability. I don't think. Democratic primary voters are primarily even close to racist or thinking about You know not willing to vote for a candidate because of their race in. We saw that twelve years ago. Eight years ago But I do think because of the importance of beating Donald Trump and the sort of obsession with elect ability that we've had people are looking not at what they would do but what they think. The theoretical swing voter would do and I think if you're a woman or a person of color You look you. It is harder to make the case that you are electable against Donald Trump because I think your average democratic primary voter thinks trump was a reaction to the first black president and he beat the first female nominee and so. I don't think it surprised that we are coming down to what looks like three. Maybe four white guys as our last four choices. That is not an accident it is was that. How did that affect the ability to raise money in it? I don't think it affected well. It affected in the second order way. Which is that people aren't saying they're gonNA vote for you or people who are expressing concerns about you. Can You beat Donald Trump. What are you actually? What does that actually mean? So I don't think it was. I don't think it was affecting sort of directly affecting US indirectly and then all of those. All of the problems that ended up with EXCEPTION OF IMPEACHMENT THAT ENDED UP CIRCLING US. Certainly had something to do with race. Just as with Senator Harris had to do with race and gender I think Elizabeth Warren Right now is without question the recipient of this. Which is that. I think people see her unfortunately for her as sort of Hillary Clinton again right which is just because she's a woman that's not fair She is not Hillary Clinton and she's a different candidate with different positions but donald trump beat. Beat Hillary I'm putting this in air quotes for people who are listening to this. Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen. We can't we can't do that again or else we're going to lose again. It all comes from fear of losing to trump and an obsession with the bill. And it's and it's like we've written we've had guests on. The podcast is a myth. Tha It's It's proven to be a myth in the last race Obama and Donald trump our last two presidents. We probably should stop trying to figure out what American voters are willing to vote for him. Okay which are the DNC due to change The requirements for getting on the debate stage would be a better way to do this right. Now that's been a mixture of You know How many how many online supporters you have how many what's your polling results are etcetera etcetera. Now there's a if you want to delegate wh what should be the requirement to the criterion on. You'll be shocked to know Joe. I've thought a lot about this. We were on. The phone won the debate. I actually hear your head exploded during the conversation few months I you know I honestly don't know the answer to this yet. I will say this to the world if anybody is listening I want to. I want to be involved. What I'm just saying if anybody would influence over this wants to draw me into the process for figuring it out next time I would love to be a part of it because I think it is a I think it was such a crucial part of winnowing. The field this time that we gotta get it right the whole primary process but the debate process specifically you know. I don't know the answer. But maybe the answer is just getting out of the pro- the process together and letting the media organizations do it. That's how it was done in two thousand twelve and and before is that so let the let say. Cbs is hosting the debate. Let's get to pick let them pick Because I think the DNC rules were born out of an obsession with looking neutral and given what happened in Twenty Sixteen And there is no such thing as neutral if you pick polling as an as a marker you are advancing people with name recognition period if you pick donors as a as a criterion. You're advantage people with online donor bases which skews white skews at more affluent etcetera etcetera period. So there's no such thing and you can. You can buy your online. Does he. Doesn't hundred thousand dollars. You could buy dollars. It depends But it costs anywhere between ten and fifty dollars to buy donor. Who Will Give you one dollar? It's literally just a saturation media strategy. You put enough ads out there. You'll find somebody who's willing to give you money but it for us. We spent more money getting donors than we've got rates for those donors but that's what we do to make it on the debate stage to prove that we were viable so to me. Maybe the the and I haven't decided on this. But maybe it's just get out of the gable together. The the other thing that I've thought about I've talked to a few other folks and democratic politics about is having some kind of bonus for people who are in elected office. There is a anti elite sentiment in this country right now and anti elected officials sentiment generally speaking but if you are running for president of the United States it does suggest to me that your ability to win votes Is like is relevant to your ability to be the Democratic nominee. I don't know maybe I'm crazy And so You know for I obviously feel some kind of way about about Senator Booker. But if your Senator Gillibrand or Governor bullock or some of these candidates who got pushed out of the race in September. Because they couldn't make the debate sage. That's truly ridiculous. Gillibrand is a United States. Senator from the third biggest state in the country. Like that's gotTa be worth something And so you know that could be a criterion but again that also has its bias east. I think Obviously you're showing your anti Marianne Williamson bias in anti-algerian right but I love to enter. The Yang is going to be up your young gang. Well this is. Why let the let the let the media organizations decide how they WanNa do debates and let them take the heat for it the IDs you could get out of the game? What was just looking. What would you have done differently? What would you have done differently in the campaign man? Other questions that I've thought about January thirteenth The biggest thing I think I would do differently the the biggest realization I had probably in the summer. Certainly in the fall was just how much of an effect the number of candidates in the field had on our ability to basically do anything It's what drove the fear of a big too big debate stage which drove debate rules. It's what drove People's indecision the you know the paradox of choices. People call it where people get so excited so excited about so many candidates they can't pick one It's what definitely drove attention. You know you can't pay attention to twenty candidates so the press had to pick and choose winners in that sense who gets attention and so. I say all that to say when the field was smaller in February march April of last year especially before Biden got in. I probably would have been more media aggressive And and that's what Buddha judge did and I think it was a brilliant strategy. It's why he is still in the race. In my opinion is he just went. While the field was small notably he went all in on the press strategy and He's good at it first of all but it allowed him to capture a share of the market media market. At a time where you can actually do that. It became basically impossible in the summer and then God forbid when impeachment started. It was it. Was You know zero percent chance that you could really breakthrough and what's Of course running for reelection career are you. Are you working on that campaign? I'm helping from afar as much as I can Matt Clapper. Who was my senior adviser on the campaign is now his chief of staff back in the in the city was before as well. So they've got a good operation go I think he's GonNa Possible Vice President. Does he know who knows? I mean yeah I think I think a nominee would be crazy not to consider him He is broadly liked in the party. Bradley liked outside the Party By moderates and progressives alike American multiple political and. You know it. African Americans I think is very important to our our prospects in November ready to be president. Probably most important of all so. Yeah I think folks would be crazy not to consider him but I also think that that's not. He's not angling for it per se. He's much more interested in being in the United States. Senator from New Jersey. For one more. Do you think that that if there is a looks like there will be a white Nominee would you concerns about reassembling the Obama Coalition And and just bringing people color into the process. Will this alienating the whole debate so white and candidate field so white is that the? Are you concerned about that? I am concerned about it. I think it's very important that we have Black Brown. Asian native voters centered in our nominees politics and in their campaigns I don't think that necessitates having a person of color at the top of the ticket or on the ticket even. But if you're not gonNA do that in your campaign you you're going to lose so if you're not gonNA send it in your campaign you're going to lose or you're not going to motivate people enough so I do think that it's a bad signal to it. Does send a bad signal particularly to the activist class of the Democratic Party that we have. We don't have any people of Color in the race anymore even though the races kind of just beginning But it's something that can be rectified. With a good campaign And With a good vice presidential choice with a good program and a candidate who is willing to do the outreach? As as a previous candidates have been willing to do. I'll say this who the the Obama coalition though is not. I think that's not. I don't actually care if we reassembly Obama coalition. I WANNA assemble the fifty plus one coalition of of Electoral College votes. And whatever that looks like and I think it may be totally different coalition Bernie Sanders at an is bridge Biden. It is for a Bloomberg but I think we should get out of our heads that that we have to Redo what Barack Obama did. And we just gotTa get two hundred seventy electoral votes and but to your question. I don't think there's any path without voters of color period And so I just hope that our candidate at our our nominee centers. That and there aren't that he's a thank you. So much for my. I'd like to thank you for listening. I'd like to thank my fellow. Oakland bird coming across the bridge to be on the podcast today and San Francisco and like to thank the King King Kaufman and the crate one caring for producing today's episode. Remember whether you think you can predict to people will vote for or if you're a sane person it's awful. It's all political as part of the San Francisco. 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Report: Manafort lawyer told Trump lawyers about Mueller meetings

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

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Report: Manafort lawyer told Trump lawyers about Mueller meetings

"Now, it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell getting using Rachel and the Muller investigation has taken so many twists and turns today, but the Paul Manafort a dual cooperation cooperating she he allegedly with the special prosecutor cooperating with the Trump lawyers at the same time. No one saw that coming. You know, we knew about these joint agreements these joint defense agreements, right which the which Giuliani, and the Trump lawyers had been bragging they had with all sorts of people who are involved with this typically joint defense agreements where your lawyers are allowed to talk to each other those go away once you flip and start working with prosecutors. We had never been able to confirm whether or not Manafort also gave up his joint defense agreement with Trump when he flipped if in fact as the New York Times reports tonight, he never gave up that agreement. Then maybe this was the plan all along that they hold maybe the whole reason he did flip was so that he could provide information to Trump's lawyers about what was. Going on inside the investigation. I mean, this is so weird and terms of the way these things usually unfold, I can't imagine this gonna be the last we hear of it. We're watching obstruction of an investigation in plain sight every single thing that the Trump lawyers that Donald Trump himself can possibly do to get in the way of this investigation. They are doing it. And it seems to be if we do it in plain sight they can't impeach him for it. Again. They. And that's the bet. Right. So John Dowd. Yeah. We talked about pardons Rudy Giuliani being like, yeah. We sorta had Manafort squealing on the special counsel the is supposed to be cooperating. But yeah, we did that Trump saying, you know, when I put Matthew Whitaker in there. I was thinking boy this Russia investigation is a lot of hooey. I mean, they're just. The bad news about the way, this movie ends is that the confession is going to be boring because we will have heard it all before it is. It is all there. It's all implant site. That's the extraordinary part of amazing. Thank you, Rachel and science. Well, as I said, it is an important night of breaking news in the modern investigation with a new leaked document from that investigation, and this document was leaked deliberately by one of the criminal suspects in the investigation. He'd leaked that to NBC news today that was our lead story about the Muller investigation. Until in the last hour, the New York Times broken even more important story. Much more important story about why Paul manafort's cooperation deal with the special prosecutor completely collapsed. The headline of today's tonight's New York Times story is manafort's lawyers said to brief Trump attorneys on what he told Muller. The times reports the Paul manafort's lawyer Kevin donning quote repeatedly briefed President Trump's lawyers on his clients discussions with federal investigators after Mr. Manafort agreed to cooperate with the special counsel. This is as strange illegal story as has ever been. Reported by the New York Times, and because it involves Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani. It gets even stranger the source the source for the New York Times story about this terribly incriminating story about what is a sensually an ongoing conspiracy between Paul Manafort, Donald Trump the source for that story is Rudolph Giuliani. He is the source by name in the New York Times Giuliani told the New York Times that Robert Mueller quote wants Manafort to incriminate Trump that news came after another strange development in the Muller case today when Jerome Corsi who is a target of the investigation released a guilty plea agreement with the special prosecutor, which describes perjury committed by Jerome Corsi. It is a plea agreement that in the end Jerome Corsi decided not to sign this again is something we have never seen before a target of a federal investigation about a president deciding at the last minute not to. To sign his plea agreement and instead releasing his incriminating plea agreement to the press first NBC news, and then to other news organizations today, the document says that your own Coursey lied about his communications with Roger stone about contacting Julian Assange and WikiLeaks in order to obtain incriminating information about the Clinton campaign, and and Clinton campaign stolen emails. Emails stolen by Russian agents and provided to WikiLeaks. The Coursey matter also involves collusion with the Trump White House in the Trump lawyers. The Washington Post is reporting that Jerome Corsi gave a copy of that plea agreement to the Trump lawyers a week before thanksgiving, and that is exactly when Donald Trump tweeted, this the inner workings of the modern investigation are a total mess. They have found no collusion and have gone, absolutely nuts. They are screaming and shouting at people horribly threatening them to come up with. The answers that they want. They are a disgrace to our nation leading on our discussion of this. Breaking news, Jill wine, banks, former assistant Watergate, special prosecutor Joyce, bats former federal prosecutor and professor at the university of Alabama school of law, both are MSNBC legal contributors, and John holliman was with us. He's national fares analyst for NBC news nemesis. NBC's co host an executive producer of Showtime's the circus. And Jill this is another one of those legal nights where we've never seen anything like it. I've never seen anything like either one of these developments in any federal case anywhere a cooperating witness sharing information with another party under investigation by the prosecutors that he is cooperating with I feel like I'm watching an episode of the Americans where you have a double agent because there's no other explanation for the behavior of Manafort, and probably of course, he is well that they were cooperating with the prosecutor at the same time as they're cooperating with the president. And that just is really an incredible thing. And every time you think that things can't get more interesting. They do or every time you think the president can't go any lower. He does. So this has been a really interesting evening, and it's going to take days of discussion to really figure out what is going on here. Jill it seems like pardon is the only logical endgame. It's the only thing that I can see when I look at a both of these cases. But especially the Manafort case Manafort facing the possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison, and at this stage, the only person who can save him from that is Donald Trump with a pardon. Well, he can't actually save him completely. Donald Trump probably has dangled a power. And and Manafort probably was arrogant enough to think that he could have his cake and eat a to that he could possibly get away without having a second trial not spending the money that he could lie and get not caught. And that if he did it wouldn't matter because he'd get pardoned. So he thought he had it all to himself in that. He could get away with all of this. But a pardon definitely won't save him from a state prosecution for some of the crimes that are both federal and state crimes all the financial fraud things could lead to a state indictment. So he could end up in jail for all of those and his plea is not reversible. He pled guilty to at least two counts. And so he's not going to get away with that. And now he can he can be powered in for it at the federal level. But he can't be pardoned, right? Right now. Because even even the most loyal Trump supporters are going to go beserk if that happens because you were right. When you said, this is all happening in plain sight. We don't need to hear tapes of president Nixon. We're seeing on Twitter and on TV and newspaper reporting every single day right in plain sight, you were exactly correct on that one enjoys fans if this were any other group of people of the sourcing of this story tonight for the New York Times would not be the president's lawyer would not be Rudy Giuliani. It would be something that they were desperately trying to hide and would never want to be made public. What do you make of the fact that Rudy Giuliani is the New York Times direct and named source for this behavior by the Trump, lawyers, and the Manafort lawyers? It's really hard to figure Lawrence. It's almost as though he didn't see anything wrong with what they were doing. I suspect that all over America. Federal prosecutors are scrambling to add new language into their plea agreements up until now I think most prosecutors never felt a need to put into their plea agreements with defendants language that said, and by the way, if you're cooperating with the government, you've got to cut all of your ties to your former co and you can't share information about our investigation back with them. Right. Everyone. Understood that that couldn't happen. It's arguably obstruction Giuliani seems to be the only lawyer in America couldn't sort that out for himself enjoys to that point. I was reading this. I thought are there some possible malpractice implications for Paul manafort's lawyer because these actions that he took have created another kind of jeopardy for Manafort. He's lost. Basically the the continuing cooperation with a special prosecutor. He's lost whatever that sentencing benefit was going to be. There are a lot of potential implications. Here. I think we would have to know more about the facts to be certain that Kevin downing Paul manafort's lawyer could be looking for instance, at action by the bar that issues his license there could be some violation of bar rules. It's also possible that if there was a protective order that Moeller had entered into with Manafort and his lawyer so that they could share information during cooperation that that may have been violated when they went back to Trump's lawyers to share information, also if they thought that they were still acting under some form of joint defense agreement. They were just wrong. No joint defense agreement existed once Manafort began to cooperate and so any conversations that were had between downing manafort's lawyer, and the president's lawyers would be fully discoverable by Muller's prosecutors, and I feel sure that they'll aggressively try to uncover the substance of those communications and even consider where they whether they can be. Used in evidence. Everything that happens here is really unprecedented and really unusual hard to believe that smart. Good lawyers could have thought that they could get away with this without any kind of repercussion Joyce. That is a great technical point. Did a joint defense agreement is about defense, and once you have surrendered your defense and pled guilty. How can you possibly in any legal sense still be engaged in a joint defense agreement with those lawyers? And so that that is obviously a big hole in in. What's happened here? John Holloman, the president tweets about the Muller investigation from time to time. And when the in the moment of those tweets, there's a lot of speculation of what happened what happened inside the White House. What's the latest thing that Trump just discovered about the Muller investigation, the has them so animated today, and that we know the Jerome Corsi handed over to the Trump lawyers of his plea agreement that he was deciding. Not to agree to and in that agreement. There is this language. It says that the there was direct communication. Roger stone was understood to be in regular contact with senior members of the Trump campaign, including with then candidate, Donald J Trump Washington Post reporting tonight that Donald Trump is in was infuriated to discover that his name actually appeared in in the in this plea agreement, and that's when the treat the tweet storm went out against Muller. Let me just interrupt your second. We do have a call in the Senate race in Mississippi. NBC news is projecting that Sydney Smith is the winner of that race. Mike Espy coming up short in Mississippi, and John holliman that doesn't come as a surprise. According to the polling, it indicated that all the information indicated that Mike Espy was going to have to pull off something of a miracle tonight. We'll come back to that later in the hour. But. To this point that we've we can now plot in real time. Trump discovers ex and tweets y about more, and we we saw there was one particular Trump tweet that came out. I can't remember exactly I mean days ago was now where he said, you know, inside from indicated inside knowledge about going on in the Muller investigation. And obviously, everyone who pays attention to this stuff noted. The fact that he seemed to be claiming in a way that Trump is delusional. Sometimes is it seemed not to be fabricated in the sense that it wasn't like there was anything talks news. I mean, again, there are a lot of people who are Kremlinologists this and trying to figure out what the source where did where did he pull this from? And there was nothing in public media accounts would have led him to make the assertions. He was making about people screaming in and people are being badly mistreated and being tried to force being forced into lies. And it made you feel as though somebody privately was telling him something true or false. They were telling him something that gave him a sense that he had inside inside insight into the investigation and was clearly driven crazy by it was made. Madness. The madness of king Trump with turned up to eleven at that moment. And so now, we know, and I do think that the right answer here with both these guys one of the things about the Trump people around Donald Trump is that they all none of them are that smart and all of them think they are very smart. And so some of these elements here are classic instances of shocking, but not surprising that Paul Manafort with think there was a way to game this out. And it explains a lot of his behavior that that he went to trial knowing he was guilty of all these clubbing. He knew he was guilty of all the things he was being accused of he knew the paper trail, he knew that. He was going to be convicted. Why would he why did he go to trial in the first place? Why did you spend all that money? But there was a whole bunch of questions before he led it was gonna make a plea agreement. Why not make it before the trial? If you knew you were guilty here to get convicted all of it sort of makes sense now through the twisted prism of someone who thought that they could play this double agent role if they believed he. Leave that in the end. There was a pardon at the end of the line. I don't think the kind of relationship exists between Jerome Corsi, Donald Trump anything like that relationship exists as the kind of relationship between Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, which goes back decades, and I'm certain now, my gut my intuition, and the reporting that's out there, and the reporting that I have suggested to me this exactly what's been happening with Paul Manafort throughout was that he had a game plan. We all look at it. Now and say it's a mentally ill to think this would work, but it's pretty clear that all makes sense now once you adopt that view of the world in the game that he thought he could play and Jill it is a game. We've never seen before. And as John describes it it makes a certain sense within that realm. It's go to trial on the first case. So that you can always claim in the future, I got railroaded. But then when you do get that guilty verdict, and your and you have to face the expensive apartment possible second trial, then you plead guilty for a couple of reasons one to save money. But then also to get inside. The Muller investigation. I mean deliberately step inside the Muller investigation. And then while inside the investigation finding out what they want to know communicate every bit of that directly to Donald Trump through the lawyers. I agree with both John and Joyce. They are both correct. As are you? And it is crazy to think you can get away with it. But also to further something that joy said in answer to your question. I think that one of the things that is wrong with the lawyers doing this is either they're guilty of malpractice for NAT having advised their client that he could lose the entire deal. If he did this double agent thing. And didn't warn them that would be malpractice. But it also may be that they warned him. And he said, I don't care I'm going to get a pardon. And so I'm willing to do this because I can help the president. I can even give false information to them that will. Throw them off and caused them to waste time. So it it could be that he acted the lawyer acted with the clients knowledge and the client approved it. So that it wasn't something that although the lawyer should have known that the agreement of paraded upon an agreement to cooperate that I think Joyce's completely correct is that everybody should be adding it to any deal going forward is that you cannot share any information that you learn from our questioning or from the documents we show you. So that's an important thing that we should take away from this. And that every prosecutor ought to be busy amending their standard forms and Joyce. What do you make of the Jerome Corsi development where he publicly hands out his own plea agreement which in the end he decided not to sign. It's really intriguing on the one hand Corsey is saying that he's not guilty. He didn't lie to prosecutors on the other hand, he's passing out sort of like, you know, Halloween, candy, these very damaging documents that establish essentially beyond a reasonable doubt. That he in fact was guilty. There's a time line there's a course of conduct. There's information shared so Coursey who perhaps is trying to make some sort of a public case is at the same time really condemning himself. He looks like someone who just really likes publicity who can't stand to be out of the limelight. And I think maybe we get a little bit of a hint about what's going on in some of this paperwork where we learned that prosecutors, for instance, expected him to surrender his securities license as a condition of pleading guilty, perhaps he wasn't willing to go quite that far unit was a really good deal. No jail time. But maybe he felt like the loss of his livelihood was something. He simply couldn't agree to. And John on the pardon question. Rudy Giuliani, telling the Wall Street Journal, the asked if the president would pardon Manafort or a course Giuliani said quote right now would not be the time. It seems the time would be the day after the re election in which President Trump either Windsor loses in that moment, he can pardon of Manafort Manafort is going to have to do the next twenty four months, but that's a small price for Manafort to pay that's less time than he would have gotten probably in the player. He's used to the orange jumpsuit. He's worn it for a while. And he's in solitary confinement for his own safety, which is not the worst place for pulmonary to be given some the connections. He has in the world. And some of the things that could happen to a guy like him given the way the Russians tend to treat people who have run afoul of their interests. I just wanna just think about Jerome Corsi and Paul Manafort in this way, so much of this biography is desk. Donate. These people are who they are Jerome Corsi is the guy who was perfectly happy to be known throughout the world as the author of and the chief propagator beyond Donald Trump, the racist conspiracy theory that Donald bed that Barack Obama was not an American citizen was born in Kenya. This was his his yes choices. Right. He in care what he gets attention for he'll get tension for whatever. He's a kooky old man who found a way to become famous and a hero in some parts of American culture for the fact that he was the author of this nuthouse theory that that brought him to prominence then you've got Paul Manafort through Paul Manafort, what's he done for most a lot of the latter part of his career, he's in places like Ukraine, he's in places doing dirty deals with crooked politicians corrupt magistrates dirty businessmen. Russian mobsters, all these people that guy is the guy who thinks about the fact that he could become a character in a double agent plot. That would somehow end up with it all working out fine for him and getting the presidential pardon. That's the kind of thing if you're a political consultant in the Ukraine, twit. Years ago that you are advising your clients. Hey, we'll work it out. We'll pay the magistrate will pay off the new president. This is how it works. L systems are game -able, that's the Paul Manafort cut, a touchstone of how operates and of course, would he then found himself in jeopardy? He would think about it the same way that is such a great point about Manafort within his experience in dealing with Russians in the Ukraine. This is simple stuff. Elementary John Ireland. Thank you very much. You'll wind banks Joyce man's thanks for starting tonight. And when we come back, the Trump administration is now trying to avoid revealing what the CIA knows about the killing of Washington Post journalist, Joel kashogi, and Steve is gonna join us with the latest developments on that Mississippi special election race. The full Senate is scheduled to receive a closed door briefing tomorrow on Saudi Arabia from secretary of state Mike Pompeo in Defense Secretary James Mattis, but they will not hear from CIA direct Gina hospital or any other intelligence officials about the murder of Washington Post journalist, Jamal kashogi. According to the guardian official said the decision for hospital, not to appear came from the White House. One Senate staffer told the guardian the decision to not have a single intelligence official at the briefing is quote, totally unprecedented. And should be interpreted as nothing less than the Trump administration trying to silence the intelligence community. The report led to this question being asked of national security adviser John Bolton today. Tell me the other question. Musical members. Of course, if the director does not attend a briefing that the Senate wants her to attend that can only because the president is forbidding her from attending. There is no other reason tomorrow's briefing comes as the Senate is expected to vote as soon as this week on a resolution to cut off US support for Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen in response to the kashogi murder. The Trump White House does not want that resolution to pass. Gina hospitals absence has been frustrating, even for some Republicans senators. Very good for the CIA director Lee there too. I think people are gonna care it right deal about what's happening in Yemen. No question, but they also gonna care great meal about this view on the crown prince in a new interview tonight. President Trump told the Washington Post this lie about the crown prince's involvement in the kashogi murder quote. Maybe he did maybe he didn't. But he denies it and people around him tonight and the CIA did not say affirmatively. He he did it either. By the way, I'm not saying that they're saying he didn't do it. But they didn't say affirmatively that is a lie. The CIA did say affirmatively that the crown prince ordered the murder of Jamal kashogi CIA director Gina hospital has listened to the audio tape of the murder and other evidence in the case, which would make her the most valuable participant in. Tomorrow's. Senate briefing today national security advisor, John bolt offered an imbecile reason for why he says that he has refused to listen to the audio recording of the murder. No. I haven't listened to it. And I I guess I should ask you, why do you think I should what do you think I learned from it? Cured advisor might have access to that. It how many in this room, speak Arabic. Do you want me to listen to what am I gonna learn from me if they were speaking Korean, I wouldn't learn any more from it either. Tell you. I can read it France group to I'm just trying to make the point. But everybody who says why don't you listen to the tape unless you, speak Arabic. What are you going to get from it? Of course, because this was a White House briefing. There was of course, no follow up question asking him. If he even read the transcript joining us now is best friend Wendy Sherman. Former under secretary of state for political fares MSNBC contributor back with us is John holliman and Besser Sherman. I want to start with Erie action to John Bolton saying because some foreign intelligence is in a foreign language. No, one in his position should avail himself of that intelligence as I understand it. We have not been gathering English language intelligence on possible. Adversaries are contentious parties out there since the civil war indeed Lawrence there. Two reactions I torture terror murder. The sounds of all of that are universal. You don't need an interpreter. I think the John Bolton doesn't want to listen to the tape. I think press. And Trump doesn't wanna listen to the tape because they want deniability. They don't want to hear the horrific sounds of that tape, and yes, they listen to it with a transcript sitting by them with whisper interpretation while they're listening, but I feel like this is see no evil speak. No evil. Hear no evil. Three monkeys sitting on a couch not willing to accept what the CIA is trying to tell them. And quite frankly, it is. So I was trying to think of an instance, where I went up to Capitol Hill on a very serious security issue without the CIA. I know that the Republican majority would have insisted upon it. Because quite frankly, they're more interested in listening to an intelligence assessment then to a policymakers assessment because they think it will be more factual and without politics. And I think that's exactly why John Bolton and the. Resident see no evil hear no evil speak. No evil and investor. Sure. But it also seems like they actively do not want to listen to it because they do not care that there is nothing that they could possibly here in that recording. That would in any way affect their thinking about Saudi Arabia. Indeed, I think that the Trump administration, quite frankly, a lot of leaders around the world have decided to give the crown prince of Saudi Arabia pass. But if you're going to give him a pass a which in this case, I would not do. But if you are and the Yemen war, stop offensive weapons being sold to Saudi Arabia. A get them to try to patch things up with cutter and find a way forward with all of the Gulf countries together, if you really want to deal with the security issues, if you want to deal with Iran's behavior in the region, there is no strategy to do any of that the Senate, and it was interesting to hear. Bob, corker comment. Bob. Corker has always been someone who has in his own words would lay down on the railroad. Tracks to ensure that Saudi Arabia got whatever weapon system at wanted. He's now saying he's changed his mind and besides the resolution on ending our involvement in Yemen. There is a possible. War Powers resolution that would come forward, which would be privileged the McConnell could not stop that would say that we cannot sell weapons as long as this goes on. And there are no answers for the US Senate or for the US congress. So it will be interesting days ahead to see what happens here. Adjourn Heilmann director Jean hospital listened to the audio. She actually want to stumble where the murder took place. She did her own hands on investigation. No, one more valuable. No one higher ranking in the Trump administration of knows more about this. She's the obvious person for the Senate to hear from tomorrow Washington Post reported weeks ago that the found that the Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, ordered the assassination, and they hold that view with what the CIA calls high confidence. That is what the Trump administration does not want the Senate to here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I find the whole discussion I to be candid a little ridiculous on some level. Your point is the right point. I don't know about John Bolton. I don't know. What's where where he's at on this, and there may be some level of denial? You just want to hear the screams and all that stuff. Donald Trump knows equate. It may also be he has listened to the tape and maisy why possible everything's possible. But the Donald Trump thing is really simple. He knows what happened. He has. No doubt in his mind. He's not actually I love Whitney Sherman is she's right about almost everything. But Trump is not in denial. He just does not care. He does not care. He doesn't care about. That's why. Well, he does not care that that kashogi was murdered at Mba's order. He does not care what he cares about is himself in money, and he has had longstanding ties with with the kingdom. He's had longstanding ties with the prince his family has long steady ties with the prince, and he knows he's going to be out of office at some point. And if he stays tight with the prince he can make more money by staying tight with NBS than by turning against him. It's really simple. He's a kleptocrat. And in the end, he does not care about journalists. He doesn't care about journalist lives. He doesn't care about this particular journalists or the fact that he was dismembered had his body scattered in a field someplace does not care. All he cares about is. What's his best financial interest today yesterday in particularly tomorrow? And that makes him just say, I don't care I'm sticking with NBS. We're going to have to leave it there, Wendy, Sherman, John home. And thank you both for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. And when we come back Steve Prescott will join us with the new election results tonight, and what the midterms which are now finally over what they mean for the president how much the. The president has lost in the congress in these elections. It is our final election night in America this year that tonight in Mississippi. Let's go straight to Steve Kornacki with the latest Steve the Senate race has been called. Yeah. It is Cindy Hyde. Smith the Republican has held on here. You can see right now. She's leading by ten points with about eighty percent. And we do expect that that'll tighten a little bit. Because what's not really come in the at the outstanding vote? A lot of it is from this part of Mississippi either heavily black counties, the Mississippi delta along the Mississippi River here we expect that sort of the late reporting part of the state. So I do think when all is said and done it's likely Mike Espy, the democrat will be within single digits in Mississippi and just to put that in some perspective, we Lawrence, look if asked me where to get at forty five. Now, if you get to forty six forty seven something like that little Hillary Clinton got forty percent here. Eight twenty sixteen very right state. Barack Obama this is like the high watermark at least before tonight Obama. Got forty four percent here in twenty twelve two thousand eight he got forty three percent. He'll basically what happened here for Democrats is they're getting huge support as you'd expect in black areas. They made some inroads of very interesting thing tonight, suburban Memphis, right here giant county compare this look Mike Espy got forty one percent. Hillary Clinton got thirty one percent here. So you do have some of these college educated white voters who flipped over what saved Hyde. Smith is look these sort of rural heavily white areas. She's getting Trump numbers as you can see in these places. No slippage there. We look next door. Now, a Bama those are the kinds of places where ROY Moore had some slippage none for Cindy heights. Miss Oates enough for her to win probably looks like a high single digit win for her in a very red state. But Stephen does continue this trend in the south that we've seen in Alabama Georgia now, Mississippi of Democrats really closing the gap really moving back into competitive postures there for the first time in many decades the thing in MRs. Mississippi does not have a lot of these sort of big metropolitan suburban areas, but you see a hint of it here. What you're seeing more broadly across the rest of the south. When I say to Soto county isn't one of the biggest counties in the state look at that jump for SP here. Now Mississippi's just more rural than a lot of other states. But disodium what you saw in this county. You see it outside Atlanta. You see it outside Houston. His see it outside Dallas that could be the future for Democrats this not necessarily Mississippi. That's always going to be a stretch. But the disodium counties of the south outside Memphis, a little bit more sort of, you know, commuter class right there where you can combine strong support from African American voters with some of the sort of white collar professional white voters. That's the combination that could help Democrats probably in the south more than Mississippi. Steve Kornacki, thanks on our final election might in America this year. Thank you, Steve. And when we come back what the elections the full count in the midterms main for President Trump, and how Trump is will now. Now be stopped cold by the democratic house of representatives. There is now just one outstanding race that has not yet been called in the mid term elections. Democrat TJ Cox is leading Republican congressman David validation in the race for California's twenty first congressional district. If the democrat wins that house race and knocks off the incumbent Republican that would bring the democratic pickups to a total of forty in the house representatives, Jason Johnson politics editor at the root dot com joins us now. He's nemesis NBC contributor. And at least Jordan is the co host of words the words matter podcast. She's also an MSNBC political analyst, and at least I want to go first to Mississippi tonight. You are from Mississippi. I want to get your reaction to that Senate race in what we saw there. I think what Mike SP did pretty much aided by the National Democratic Party establishment is pretty incredible and impressive, and he has shown that Democrats should compete in the state. That they have a chance in Mississippi. He was up against an incredibly we candidate Donald Trump pulled her over the finish line and look at where Mike Espy did make inroads in places like the soda county a suburb of Memphis, Tennessee, more educated population it mirrors, the national pattern of educated professionals moving away from the Republican party even in Mississippi. But then you'll get other more rural rural areas of Mississippi, and he it Cindy, Hyde Smith managed to even outperform, you know, say Mitt Romney and was at a very Trump level of support. So Donald Trump is a strong as ever in the rural places of our country, and in the suburbs, even in a place like Mississippi so read he his support is slipping and Jason one of the big lessons out of the south. This election season is the Republicans now for the first time in many many decades have to spend serious money trying to hold onto seats in places like Mississippi L. Alabama where they lost a Senate seat, Georgia. The the idea in the Republican party was well, we're never going to have to spend money in any of those states. So we can devote all our resources to more swing states where a Senate seat can go one way or the other. Yeah. I mean, the lesson that I'm glad that Democrats finally figured out this year is you should compete everywhere. And there should be no more. Gimme states. Right. There should be a fifty state strategy. Everywhere you go put up a good candidate. It doesn't matter. If it's Georgia doesn't matter. If it's Florida doesn't matter if it's Alabama or Mississippi because you never know whether there's an opportunity for you to actually make some inroads. And here's what I think what's really key. Even this Mississippi. Yes, Mike Espy is like each lose. It's the down ballot races. Also matter there are African American men and women running for important judicial positions at the state level district appeals courts and local magistrate courts, and they are being propelled forward because of the work of Mike Espy, just like we saw in Georgia where Stacey Abrams efforts ended up helping Lucy MacBeth. So the Democrats need to learn a lesson. The south should not be forgotten about Mississippi should not be forgotten about there will be some victories tonight. Even if it's not the top of the ticket of Mississippi, and at least Mike Espy when he was a member of congress from Mississippi he was serve. In a democratic majority. We're going to see another democratic majority standing there. Now, basically as first of all a complete roadblock to everything with the word Trump on it. And so Donald Trump is going to not have such a fun time dealing with the house when it comes to the new session of congress starting up. It's going to be a different ballgame bring him and he's going to have a check on himself for the first time is lifetime. You look at all of the corruption of this administration. And I truly hope that there is going to be some oversight and some check on Donald Trump's excesses and his flagrant flouting of the rule of law. And Jason it seems that even Donald Trump realizes that the midterms have ended the whole charade, including his biggest charade about Mexico paying for a wall. He's now saying in an interview in Washington Post that he realizes Democrats in congress are going to have to vote to pay for his wall. So he he's gone from. Demanding that Mexico pay for it to now requesting politely, the Democrats in the house representatives pay for his wall, which I think we can all bet is not going to happen. Yeah. Not likely. Remember, Trump did get his wall. It just happens to be a blue all of Democrats in the house, and they're not going to let them pass anything that. 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Mueller accuses Manafort of lying again, yanks plea deal

"The way matters show. We at nine eastern on MSNBC. Hope y'all had a great holiday Rachel's got the night off, but she will be back here tomorrow night. In the meantime, we've got a lot to get to tonight while you were polishing off that second helping of Turkey. The breaking news have been piling up faster than thanksgiving leftovers. Thanks in large part to special counsel, Robert Muller shortly before we took the air tonight, the famously radio silent Muller team dropped a bombshell about the president's campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, I'll have more on that in just a moment. We're also following another breaking headline this one out of Mississippi. President Trump is on the ground there. Now, he's about to hold his second rally today for Republican Senator Cindy, Hyde Smith who faces off against democrat, Mike Espy in a runoff election. Tomorrow a runoff that has at times felt like an out of body experience in terms of how many times it made you shake? Your head and say did that really happen? Whether it was the Republican candidate saying that she'd be in the front row of a public hanging or the Republican candidates robotic almost comical non apology for those offensive remarks or her debate performance in which she seemed to say her greatest selling point is Donald Trump is if all of that weren't surreal enough today on the eve of the runoff. There was this nooses seen hanging on trees outside the Mississippi State capitol this runoff shaping up to be an MRI of the soul of Mississippi. The next twenty four hours are critical, and I'll have a lot more on that in just a moment. But first to that breaking news from special counsel, Robert Muller, and the president's campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, the first Trump campaign official to reach a plea deal with Robert Muller was his foreign policy adviser, George popadopoulos this guy on the right? His plea deal was announced in October of two thousand seventeen on the very same day that Muller charged Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort on the left and deputy campaign chairman. Rick gates with multiple tax and money laundering charges today. Popadopoulos turned himself into a minimum security camp. Adjacent to the federal prison in Oxford, Wisconsin to begin serving a fourteen day sentence for lying to the FBI about his Russia linked context popadopoulos received that relatively light sentence from the judge in his case after Muller's prosecutors this summer filed what is known as a pre sentencing memorandum, essentially their recommendation about how much jail time he should receive based on the gravity of his crime and the usefulness of his cooperation. Now in that sentencing memo to the judge Muller's prosecutors recommended jail time for the advisor was appropriate and warranted. Quote, his lives. Negatively affected, the FBI's Russia investigation, and prevented the FBI from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion. The defendants false statements were intended to harm the investigation and did so that when it came time to describe the extent of popadopoulos as cooperation the special counsel told the judge that the defendant did not provide substantial assistance saying that much of the information. He provided came only after the government confronted him with his own emails. Text messages internet search history and other information it had obtained via search warrant and subpoenas. And while popadopoulos checking into federal prison today for a two week stay signals that his role in the Russia investigation is likely at an. I end tonight. We learned game changing new details about the cooperation of his boss during the two thousand sixteen campaign. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, remember Manafort was convicted by Virginia jury this summer on eight counts of tax and Bank fraud. But before that trial, even started the former Trump campaign, chairman was already in jail that was before just before his trial was due to start in Virginia Muller filed new charges against Manafort in DC accusing both he and his longtime associate Constantine clinic who the special counsel alleged to have had ties to Russian intelligence with witness tampering related to their Ukraine lobbying campaign as a result. The judge ordered Manafort jailed, pending his trial as the judge told the court at the time quote. This is not the first time we've had to talk about him skating. Too close to the line. She went on. I am concerned you seem to treat these proceedings as just another marketing exercise, you have abused. The trust the court placed in you, six months ago. So that was in June Manafort jailed on new charges of witness tampering before he had even gone to trial after being convicted at trial in Virginia in August and saying he would not cooperate with the special counsel. Manafort surprised many by striking a plea deal before his second trial in DC was due to begin on money laundering charges as well. As those recently filed witness tampering charges as part of that plea in September Manafort agreed to answer fully truthfully, completely and forthrightly questions about any and all matters. The government wanted to ask. Well, now, it appears that Manafort may not have done that. And perhaps in retrospect, we should have seen this coming earlier. This month. We got this report from ABC news detailing rising tension between Muller's team and Manafort over his level of cooperation as ABC reported at the time Muller's team is quote, not getting what they want said one source with knowledge of the discussions, quote, sources told ABC news there's frustration over whether Manafort is fully providing the information, he agreed to offer putting a strain on the deal that was a single report on November ninth then ten days ago, we were expecting to see Muller's team file a pre sentencing memo spelling out details surrounding manafort's cooperation when both sides pushed it back insisting on a rare ten day delay. So that Muller could prepare a report that will be greater assistance in the courts management of this matter. The reason for that delay was unclear. There was a lot of speculation that something might be about to happen in the Muller investigation that Manafort might potentially be helping with well tonight, we have our answer in a new filing this evening Muller's. Prosecutors spell out the issue directly saying that Manafort has breached the cooperation agreement that he signed with Muller's prosecutors in September by repeatedly lying to federal investigators from tonight's filing quote after citing the plea agreement Manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the Federal Bureau of investigation and the special counsel's office on a variety of subject matters, Muller's team, do not spell out in detail. Exactly what Manafort lied about. But note that they will at some point file a detail. Sentencing submission to the probation department and the court setting forth, the nature of the defendants crimes and lies setting forth. The nature of the defendants lies and crimes quote. As the defendant has breached the plea agreement. There's no reason to delay his sentencing hearing now the filing tonight is a joint status report filed by both the special counsel and manafort's attorneys as such it also lays out Paul Manafort side of the story wearing he denies the latest allegations against him, quote after signing the plea agreement Manafort met with the government on numerous occasions and answered the government's questions Manafort has provided information to the government in an effort to live up to his cooperation obligations. It goes on. He believes he has provided truthful information and does not agree with the government's characterization or that he has breached the agreement given the conflict in the party's positions. There is no reason to delay the sentencing here in and he asks the court to set a sentencing date in this matter Paul Manafort has been in solitary confinement in a Virginia jail since June when he was accused of violating probation by actively tampering with witnesses to try to get them to spin. His actions in a more positive light. Paul Manafort was already facing the prospect of at least ten years behind bars tonight. He faces the prospect of even more time for breaking his cooperation agreement by lying on a variety of subject matters, Muller's team could also refile charges on counts, they previously agreed to dismiss as part of the plea deal. Now, how likely is it that Muller's prosecutors do refile charges against Trump's former campaign ship. What does this mean for Paul Manafort, what does this mean for the other Trump Trump campaign officials who continue to cooperate with the special counsel? What does this mean for Trump? What does it mean for the special counsel himself a time when his investigation appears to be increasingly under threat joining me now, Barbara mcquade, former US attorney for the eastern district of Michigan and Daniel Goldman former assistant US attorney for the southern district of New York. Thank you. For being with us, Barbara let me just start with you. These cooperation agreements require much more than answering a few questions about the matter at hand, they require in this case required. Paul Manafort to answer any question about any legal wrongdoing. He's ever been involved in or no Nuff. Yeah. It's it's an all or nothing proposition. When the government is talking with someone about cooperation, they want to know everything about this case they want to know everything about their own misconduct because they're recruiting them now to be on their team. They're going to put him on the stand essentially vouching for his truthfulness sponsoring his testimony and asking a jury to believe him. And they can only do that. If they are convinced that he is telling them the truth, they understand that people commit crimes, but this is the deal, and you understand that what what the stakes are when there's a breach like this. It really is a lose lose proposition. Paul Manafort is now going to face more time than he otherwise would have. And now the government has lost cooperator who hadn't potential value to them. Daniel could face a lot more time. This guy could never see the outside of jail. Now what what would compelled him not to cooperate? He already had to give up his property. He was already going to go to jail for some things. It was clear that the Muller investigation had a lot of evidence on on him. What do you think is behind this? Well, there's a lot of speculation already that he's been dangled the part in or he's afraid of some of the Russians that he may have information on. We don't have any evidence of that. Which is I think very important to point out. And second of all I think it fails to understand how self interested and irrational someone like Paul Manafort is someone who has committed fraud in various forms for so much of his life. I as I prosecuted, white collar cases, and I frequently saw people like Paul Manafort who would essentially try their last heist on the prosecutors and try to very frequently protect himself from further wrongdoing, and you and barbed us discussed how you have to actually admit to additional criminal activity. It very well could just be that Paul Manafort was unwilling to admit to additional crimes perhaps related to the campaign. And to Russia that was we know we're under investigation, and that ultimately Bob Muller just had enough. Then said if you're not going to be truthful, you're not getting your cooperation agreement, and he's not looking at a ten years in DC, plus perhaps anywhere from eleven to fourteen years. We'll be the guidelines in the eastern district Virginia, it's unlikely they'll both run run one after the other, but we're talking double digits amount of years in jail. So Barbara have you had a circumstance like this? Where someone you've made a deal with went lied. And is there something we're missing here. Is there some potential upside to Manafort doing this? Now, it does happen from time to time. It's actually pretty rare. Usually most the time by the time someone who sat down entered a guilty plea. They understand that the best they can do for themselves is to cooperate fully and truthfully. So that they can get that motion have a reduced sentence. And a good lawyer. We'll sit down with her client and explain that to them on rare. Occasion. There are defendants who will continue to lie oftentimes minimizing their own role. Sounds like that's what happened with George popadopoulos. And at some point the government, just tears up. The plea agreement says we're done because we can't sponsor you. If it's a slight law, even that's problematic because it has to be reported to the judge and the defense so it can be used as impeachment material. But at some point you get to the point where you feel like I just can't work with this person. I can't trust you have no value to me as a cooperator and we're done. And as I said, it's a lose lose. I think the government would prefer to have his cooperation, but they can only do that. If they believe he is being truthful. So Daniel, let's go to fifty thousand feet here. We've heard that popadopoulos has signed into jail because he didn't cooperate in the way that was meaningful. We understood that manafort's cooperation was in concert with others. We're waiting to see sentence filing from the government on Michael Flynn. Is there a ripple effect to this? I think there's a significant effect for the government because of Paul Manafort central position in the campaign. He was the campaign manager he was in June two thousand sixteen Trump Tower meeting. He was actually overseeing the convention for the party and for the campaign, and you'll recall that the party platform changed in Russia friendly way, it felt too many, including me like Paul Manafort would help Bob Muller get to the bottom of whatever happened, and this is particularly relevant for people who perhaps didn't use Email such as the president. And that if he's the campaign manager, and he has all these contacts and relationships with Russia that if someone's not doesn't have a paper trail, you need a cooperating witness to know what conversations went on. And I think this is a real blow to the special counsel not to be able to get that information and use it through Paul Manafort because now it can't be used you need to be a witness in order to be able for the prosecutor to use the information. Even if he gave some information that was truthful. They cannot rely on him to to testify to that information. So they have to find it. Elsewhere. We have heard however today Barbara that Roger stone associate Jerome Corsi, who's a strange character. This is the guy behind the birther conspiracy. He was going to conduct an interview with us at NBC about a week ago. He then didn't get out of his car and didn't do it. Now, we've heard that he is turned down a plea deal from Robert Muller. Do you make anything of this? You know, it's hard to know. Exactly. What's going on what he has said publicly is that? He refused to plead guilty to perjury because the purported perjury charge was based on his failure to remember something that does not ring. True to me, perjury is charged only when you can prove the essential elements that person at testified under oath that they then and there knew that what they were saying was false. And that it was about a material fact that is something that is important. It is not something that has slipped your memory. You can't you can't recall. So I don't know exactly what has happened there. It seems more likely that someone has decided I can't do time when you agree to plead guilty. You have to own your crimes, and you may face criminal exposure, including sentencing before a judge, and so often the sticking point is the person wants a promise of probation or some other sweetheart deal that the prosecution just isn't willing to promise. All right. Thanks to both of you for your analysis night. Barbara mcquade is former US attorney for the eastern district of Michigan. Daniel Goldman former assistant US attorney for the southern district of New York. We appreciate your time. Tonight. Thanks. I want to give you a quick update about another legal story that we're following back in June. The new York Attorney General filed a lawsuit against the president and his charitable foundation, alleging a pattern of illegal behavior that spanned more than a decade. The lawsuit has inspired not just the president. But also his children who allegedly use the Trump foundation to prop up Trump's presidential bid and settle business disputes. It's been an open question as to whether this case could go forward. Trump's lawyers had challenged whether a sitting president could face a civil lawsuit will now consider that matter settled over the weekend, New York judge ruled that a lawsuit against the president's charitable charitable foundation can proceed to judge ruled in no uncertain terms, quote, I find I have jurisdiction over Mr. Trump watch the space. We'll be right back. Stay with us. At the end of nineteen sixty-nine after fifteen years of dragging its feet. The state of Mississippi was finally ordered by the supreme court to desegregate its public schools. And so the governor of Mississippi reluctantly ordered that when his state's public school students came back from the winter holiday in January nineteen seventy black and white students would start attending school together. But on the last weekend of the winter break, the governor gave a state wise to statewide televised address any told the white people of his state, not to worry. He had found a way for them. Not to have to send their kids to school with black children from the January fourth nineteen seventy edition of the New York Times, quote, governor, John Bell Williams on the eve of next week scheduled court ordered total school desegregation in many areas of the state told mississippians that he would work to erect a private school system as a workable. Alternative for thousands of white children. Governor Williams said he would ask the legislature to seek ways and means of rendering assistant to the establishment of private schools and thanks in part to those hastily established all white private schools. Many of the white students who were on winter break that first weekend of nineteen seventy never went back to public school again. Cool. There's vacation ordered in Mississippi began today children returned to classes and eleven thirty district which have been ordered integrate. They integration audit unconditionally by the supreme court was accomplished without incident, although in the presence of federal marshalls, but they're still were attempts to evade the order all white private schools opened in some places and others whites abandoned the schools to the blogs the remainder of the schools will open later this week today. One of them the children registered for classes. Knox county Mississippi is eighty percent negro and under the original order, integrating schools. There should've been hor negroes who every white in class today. But over the weekend, the court changed its order at the school board's request for one more semester integration. We'll be gradual with white students still a majority instead of being one black outnumber the blacks three to to change was reflected in the number of quite to register for classes today. The person was founded most rights would switch to private school, but most will stay they majority out of the mouth say, and really and truly I think that possibly. Seventy five percent. Coming back sixty to seventy five percent of the riot students. Now, that's a remarkably optimistic way to say that twenty five to forty percent of your white student body has just decided not to come back after the winter break, and it was not like all these parents were sending their kids to these brand new white private schools for the superior education schools were set up in a hurry and not necessarily with a lot of investment, despite what the state kicked in the former chair of the Mississippi Democratic Party who went to public school in Ellis Ville, Mississippi in the nineteen seventies. And eighties told the Jackson free press that he recalled quote, making fun of the kids in town, whose parents drove them twenty six miles to a white academy and back more than one hundred miles a day. Just so they could have a sub standard education with teachers who often had little more than a high school diploma. He added, quote, the only reason people of my generation went to segregation academies was to keep the white kids and the black kids of part segregation academies. That's what those schools were called colloquially. Least. And we learned over the thanksgiving weekend from some fantastic reporting from Ashton Pittman at the Jackson free press that one of the white students who was moved into a segregated academy in the nineteen. Seventies was Cindy Hyde. Smith Mississippi's junior United States Senator appointed earlier this year who is running to be elected to her post in tomorrow's runoff against democrat, Mike Espy, it is the last remaining race of the two thousand eighteen midterms a contest that has become unexpectedly competitive in deep red Mississippi because of Hyde Smith's recent comments and uncomfortable history on the subject of race, quote, US Senator Cindy, Hyde Smith attended and graduated from a segregation academy that was set up. So that white parents could avoid having to send their children to schools with black students yearbook. Reveals a group photo in the nineteen seventy five edition of the rebel the Lawrence county academy yearbook. Illustrates the point high school cheerleader smiling at the camera in the center, the mascot dressed in. What appears to be an outfit designed to mimic that of a confederate general offers a salute as she holds up a large confederate flag third from the right on the ground. A sophomore girl was short hair identified in the caption is Cindy hide. And of course, Cindy, Hyde Smith should not be held responsible for where her parents chose to send her to school, though, the free press points out that she Cindy, Hyde Smith sent her daughter to a different segregation academy also opened in one thousand nine hundred seventy a school that no longer technically excludes black students, but and roll just one black child in the two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen school year, despite being a majority black town Senator Hyde Smith has not given the impression during this campaign of someone who has done much substantive grappling with her states or her own racial. History after making her now infamous remark that she would quote be on the front row for public hanging. If she were invited to set public hanging by a particularly beloved constituent, Cindy Hyde. Smith refused to answer any questions about it for a week. And then gave a half-hearted sorry. If anyone was offended apology at a debate. And then continued refusing to say anything about it. Then there were Hyde. Smith's comments about making it harder for quote liberal folks at certain colleges to vote and the photo of her posing with confederate artifacts and her past support for various celebrations of confederate heritage and civil war revisionism, and it's not like there aren't white mississippians who are grappling genuinely and substantively with the racial issues in the midst of this campaign, a local Tupelo reporter who was present for the public hanging. Comments wrote a thoughtful introspective column on why he hadn't picked up on. Those comments as news at the time that he heard them quote reporting. These remarks didn't occur to me to the best of my recollection. I heard public hanging as a play upon the senators background as a cattle farmer of forced and clumsy invocation of frontier. Bravado like everyone I've had a limited life experience for me that experience has been influenced by the history of whiteness in the American South. I have no family members who were lynched. I have no relatives who were threatened with lynching. The words public hanging bring no particular menace to mind not. So for other mississippians for other centers southerners for other Americans. This is not ancient history. I'm dredging up not an old and forgotten wound. I'm picking back open. There are people alive today who are old enough to have had family members lynched by white mob old enough to have feared that fate themselves and Cindy, Hyde Smith could try. To face head on. Why so many people were so shocked by what she said. Instead, she is literally running away from questions about it. Duty. Thank you Senator. International. Don't speak about the issue. And there's a lot of people that we've talked to across the state that are concerned about your remarks, and what you were apologizing for Senator why not speak to this issue. Your comments offended, a great number of people Senator. No, you haven't wondering though, what what what is it? They were apologizing for how. The evening Senator you stood cited Jefferson Davis Davis outs. And you said that this is Mississippi history at its best Senator what did you mean by that sanding inside of devastated his house in saying that Mississippi Senator this go third of your electorate is head of the results. Right. But Senator you're running to the US Senator of the United States Senator Senator you're running to the US Senator why not talk about race United States. Senator Cindy Hyde. Smith, successfully evading NBC news von Hilliard and Vaughn does not necessarily make a habit of chasing candidates to their cars. But Cindy, Hyde Smith has made it all but impossible for reporters to ask her any questions during the last couple of weeks, and maybe that's the right strategy, even with all her flaws, even with the coming off the Blue Wave of democratic wins this month in which Democrats just picked up another house seat today in deep red Utah have more on that in a moment. Even in that environment. Hyde Smith's democratic opponent. Mike Espy has a serious lep. Uphill battle to win an upset tomorrow. He'd be the first black Senator from Mississippi since reconstruction that is a heavy lift if you're Cindy, Hyde Smith, and the more you talk, the more you get yourself in trouble. Maybe the goal right now is to make it to the finish line. Even if you have to run out the back door pursued by reporters Republicans are worried enough to be pouring money and resources into a race. That ought to be a cakewalk. Donald Trump is currently in the midst of his second rally of the day in Mississippi to get out the vote for Hyde Smith, this one's in Biloxi this afternoon with his first he was in Tupelo Tupelo Hyde. Smith talked about going to a public hanging Mississippi's own William Faulkner famously wrote the past is never dead. It's not even past today at the Mississippi capital, seven nooses were found hanging from trees initially assumed to be a racist threat turned out the people who left the Nueces intended them to be a reminder assign. They left with the Nueces read quote on Tuesday, November twenty seventh thousands of mississippians will vote for a Senator we need someone who respects the lives of Lynch victims were hanging nooses to remind people that times haven't changed have times changed enough that black democrat might wing win a US Senate. Seat Mississippi hold that thought. You've heard the old proverbs slow and steady wins the race. Well, just ask the Democrats tomorrow is three weeks out from the midterms and Democrats continue to put points on the scoreboard. Just tonight we have late breaking news out of California in a race that had been called for the Republican in California's twenty first district votes are still being counted though in late tonight democrat TJ Cox took the lead right now. Democrats have picked up a whopping thirty nine seats in the house, if they not you win in California Twenty-one, it'll be forty the latest democratic win was in Utah's fourth district were democrat Ben mcadams beat Republican incumbent Mia love love conceded today. But first she had a score to settle with the president. You may remember the day after the election, President Trump singled out me a love name checked her saying she lost because she hadn't embraced Trump enough. Well, today, love clapback. The president's behavior towards me made me wonder what did he have to gain by saying such thing about a federal FLU Republican? However, this gave me a clear visit of his world as it is no veal relationships just convenient transactions this election experience. And these comments signs the spotlight on the problems Washington politicians have with minorities in black-americans. It's transactional, it's not personal. You see we feel like politicians claim? They know what's best for us from a safe distance yet. They're never willing to take us home race. Also looms large in another race. We're watching tonight in Mississippi where right now, President Trump is trying to catapult Republican Cindy Hyde Smith over the finish line in that runoff against democrat. Mike espey a runoff in which Mississippi's past and president terms of race are as much on the ballot as the candidates themselves. Joining us now Jilani Cobb staff writer for the New Yorker and journalism professor at Columbia University. Johnny good to have your thank you for being with us. For a lot of people. Cindy, Hyde Smith's, wink, wink, non apology about her statement on public lynchings was a wakeup call about racism in America. How do you think about this? I began to think that Cindy, Hyde Smits very deliberately not apologizing and sort of making it clear to people. She won't apologize for something a joke that people might have taken seriously about lynching. Sure, that's the Pay's right out of Donald Trump's playbook. He doesn't apologize for anything. The more offensive the better. And if he's proven factually incorrect, he just changes the subject, and so there's been a kind of arc to this. If you remember early on and Trump's presidency. It seemed like people who tried to emulate him weren't really successful at it. You know, ROY Moore was one of those examples. Ed Gillespie's doomed. Gubernatorial bid in Virginia was another example in which he defended the confederacy even after everything that happened in Charlottesville. And so people said that the Trump template didn't really work for other people. And now, I think the beginning to question those assumptions because they've seen what happened with Brian Kemp in Georgia and with a Disentis and Florida it seems that you can actually mimic his outrageousness mimic his egregious. Racism, mimic him playing to the. Worst possible aspects of human character and be successful. I think that's exactly what we're seeing Mississippi. You're somebody who has taught the history of public lynchings. I thought that that comment the the opinion that was written by that. Journalists was very thoughtful the one who said that when he heard of public hangs. He didn't make that association, but tell us why so many people do why lynching and voting are so closely tied together. Well, certainly. Interesting thing about the history of lynching in this country. It's a kind of litmus test, you know, that there are Americans who know virtually nothing about this entire history of it was one historian vertu as festival violence. These were festival little islands a festival of violence. These macabre tools in which people were not simply hung of. They will often hung the bodies were burned. They were ritually castrated and the historian WBZ boys wrote about an incident in Atlanta. Would he walked down the street and saw a butcher displaying the knees of a man who had been lynched in his window as kind of keepsake? And so this kind of celeb- celebrate Ori over the top violence was intended to reinforce black subordination after the end of slavery in. Especially after the fifteenth amendment is bestowed the right to vote on African American men and so- Lynch law and mob. Violence was one of the chief mechanisms by which black people were excluded from the electorate, especially in the south. So in a democracy, the ultimate subordination is if you prevent people from voting or you discourage them for voting writing them out of voting, right? Cindy hyde. Smith is that what happened this discovery that she attended a so-called segregation academy? That's one thing. That was when she was a kid in her parents center, she sent her daughter to one as well. That's that's not ancient history. People. These are people who've grown up believing that things should be separate blacks and whites should not be doing things together, including getting an education. How does that get discussed in the context of this campaign? Listen, the thing about this is that we're maybe having kind of sucked conscience in looking at this and saying that someone would be that her parents would make the decision to send her to one of these institutions that she entire would make the same decision for her child. But I guarantee you that there's a whole lot of the Mississippi electorate, the white Republican electorate Mississippi that has either had a similar experience or is sympathetic to the the motive for sending your child to one of those kinds of institutions. And so in talking about how this will reverberate in the electorate if you waiting on white Republican voters in Mississippi to have a call to conscience on the basis of racism view, a going to be out in the cold for a very long time. And so I think this plays one way outside of Mississippi and plays very differently inside that state. I think sadly, you may be right about that. Gilani? Good to see you Gilani cobbs a staff writer for the New Yorker in journalism. Professor. Columbia university. Thank you for being with us. We'll be right back. Facts they are important in two thousand and fourteen Russia decided to take a chunk of Ukraine known as Crimea and call it Russia. That's the thing that happened. That is a fact, but President Trump does not believe that Russia is to blame for taking over Crimea. In fact on numerous occasions. He's blamed President Obama, not President Putin over the summer. He said quote, President Obama lost Crimea. Because President Putin didn't respect President Obama earlier this month. Trump said quote, President Obama allowed a very large part of Ukraine to be taken by Russia. President Obama not Putin. Not russia. Meanwhile, Russia is at it. Again. It's still messing with Ukraine since Russia took over Crimea. It's been exerting more and more control over Crimea's territorial waters in that area. In fact, this spring Russia finished building a huge bridge. Connecting mainland Russia to Crimea named it. The. Crimean bridge. Once the bridge was complete Russian security services known as the SBA started inspecting all Ukrainian ships trying to make their way through the straight to Ukraine, and if you look at a map, this straight is the only way for Ukrainian vessels to go back from the Black Sea to ports in the sea of Oz off with Russians manning the waters tensions have been on the rise. But yesterday, they came to a boil when the Russian navy blocked three Ukrainian naval vessels from passing through the strait. Watch this ship about to ram that tugboat the Russian ships opened fire at the vessels wounding six sailors, sailor, sailors, I'm sorry and ramming into a tugboat boarding the Ukrainian ships detaining more than twenty sailors and seeking seizing the three Ukrainian vessels. You can see two of them here. Russia claims the ships illegally entered Russian waters. I should point out the straight is like two or three miles wide at its. Narrowest point. This isn't a case of ships wandering, off course, by definition. If you're traversing the state straight, you are in contested waters. Now today when asked about Russia's most recent active aggression against Ukraine, Trump said he was not happy, but he did not criticise Russia. Let alone Vladimir Putin Russia has taken over the territorial waters around Ukraine, isolating half of the country's coastline. It's blocking Ukrainian vessels. It's firing on Ukrainian crewmen boarding their vessels seizing their ships all in flagrant violation of international law. NBC news chief foreign correspondent, Richard Engel spoke to a top former military official in Ukraine who told him that. This is quote, definitely Putin. Probing? He thinks the president is pretty distracted in between holidays and Muller might be a good time for a further land grab this could get very ugly. What's President Trump going to do he set to meet with? President Putin at the end of the week at the g twenty will he keep that meeting. If he does will he say anything, the former top American diplomat to Russia joins me next. Russian state media. Put this out today. Preparations for Putin. Trump meeting at g twenty underway, quote, the situation over the straight doesn't affect preparations for a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Donald Trump at the g twenty summit in China's iris Kremlin spokesperson told reporters. Nothing to worry about plans are underway. Folks. Joining us now, Michael McFaul, he's the former United States and Basseterre to Russia under President Obama, Mr. Bester good to see you. And I appreciate you being here tonight. Sure, thanks for having me. What do you make of this recent? This most recent example, of Russian aggression toward Ukraine and Crimea. Putin's testing, Ukraine. He's testing the world. He's testing the west. He's trying to see what he can get away with. He's trying to defacto create Russian territorial control over that waterway. It's illegal, and I hope the west and the United States and President Trump will push back so Nikki Haley, this is often what happens Nikki Haley seemed to she called an emergency meeting at the United Nations. There is nothing ambiguous about her statement. President Trump later on today said he's not happy with it. What else does he have to do does that is that sufficient he didn't seem to match Nikki Haley, tone and tenor about this exactly her neither hers, nor the statement that I thought was very good. That was put up by the State Department. Undersecretary Pompeo's name, he acquitted. He like, you said earlier and your piece he wouldn't mention Putin. He didn't call it aggression. He didn't call it. Right and wrong. He just seems incapable of criticizing Vladimir Putin. It is extraordinarily. He has been extremely consistent in never ever criticizing Putin for anything that he does. And therefore, I think they should pull down that meeting in Argentina a remember the last summit, right and Helsing he he stood next to Putin. And because Putin spoke strongly, I think I'm quoting the president. He said, I believe Putin over our intelligence going. I don't want him to do that again stand next to Putin and said, well, it was a provocation by the Ukrainians that would not be in America's national interest is better not to have the meeting. I remember speaking to you that day, and I wonder in hindsight, whether it was a good thing or a bad thing. There's a piece of me that thinks that Helsinki Trump standing next to Putin was a good thing. Because everybody got to see that the emperor had no clothes. You actually got to see what Donald Trump is like when he's around Vladimir Putin that he there was a real sense of number of people who believe that when he's there. He'll be tougher. This is all talk. Right or a different audience. He does not seem to be able to take a reasonable stance on anything when it comes to confronting Putin infect, his his constant conversation about Crimea blames President Obama and you as the as the ambassador at the time. Yes. Well, it's an interesting point you make about exposing President Trump and the way he deals with Putin NL, stinky, I I think that's right. But what's tragic about it? And what I worry about for this next meeting is that the president of the United States is actually supposed to advance American national interest, and our security interest, and the interest of our allies and partners. And that's what he should do in g twenty at that g twenty summit. And if he can't do it, then I think the US congress has to act there's already pieces of legislations several bills already have been floating around for new sanctions on Russia. I think if the president can't do it congress should step in. We might see that Michael McFaul, always a pleasure to see you. Thank. You for being with us. Michael McFaul was a former United steered Basseterre to rush. Oh, well in the TV business you always start with a plan. But sometimes history gets in the way that kind of stories ahead. Stay with us. The fifth game of the National League championship series in nineteen Seventy-three between the New York Mets and the Cincinnati Reds was held on October tenth nineteen Seventy-three. Whoever won that playoff game would head to the World Series to play either Baltimore or Oakland. Cincinnati won the first game the week before. Then the Mets won both games two and three if they won game four they'd take home the championship and head to the World Series. But Cincinnati came back in one game for they were tied. The New York Times called it a grim. Fight game. Five would be the deciding game of this series. It was a nail biter. And in the middle of the broadcast. 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"Ready to book your next all inclusive vacation head over to book dot com slash visit Cancun for exclusive cyber weeks evenings. Happening now breaking news. What Muller knows CNN receives draft court filing which show which may show. Robert Muller is in the home stretch of a collusion case the documents detail alleged steps by Trump allied to obtain information, democratic emails stolen by Russia manafort's meetings. Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort denies a report that he met secretly with WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, even as the special counsel says Manafort broke his plea deal by repeatedly lying to prosecutors and investigators narrowing denials as the Muller investigation closes in the White House now says President Trump did nothing wrong. But this time there's no blanket denial of wrongdoing for those who were in his inner circle and not sharing. Intel is the White House blocking the CIA director from briefing US senators on the murder of US-based journalists by Saudi hit team, and is the Trump administration. Shield the Saudi Crown prince, I'm wolf Blitzer. You're in the situation room. Z ski CNN breaking news. Breaking news CNN has now obtained draft court documents, which may show the special counsel. Robert Muller is getting closer and closer to making a collusion case the papers. Layout moves allegedly made by longtime Trump confidante Roger stone in seeking information from WikiLeaks on democratic Email stolen by Russia. Meantime, the guardian newspaper reports former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, secretly met with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange around the time, he became chairman of the Trump campaign. This has the special counsel calls for the immediate sentencing of Manafort saying he breached his cooperation agreement by lying repeatedly to federal authorities all speak with congressman David Seleny of the judiciary and foreign affairs committees. And our correspondents specialists are standing by with full coverage. Let's get straight to to the breaking news with CNN political. Correspondent Sara Murray. Sarah these. Documents came from a plea agreement that collapsed between Muller's team in a man named Jerome poor see a Roger stone ally in the alleged conduit to WikiLeaks, walk us through all of us. Well, we'll this gives us a really good insight. Not only into why investigators were interested in Jerome Corsi. Remember he believes he's in legal hot water and could face charges for lying to investigators. But also ended this collusion investigation that we know the special counsel team has been looking into an in these draft filings, which you know, of course, could change they were provided to us by Jerome Corsi. You see these Email exchanges between Jerome Corsi and Roger stone in the summer of two thousand sixteen. So I wanna walk you through some of them. I mean, one of the things you need to know as you look at these emails that organization one is WikiLeaks. So here's Roger stone telling own poor sea in July two thousand sixteen get to Julian Assange, the founder of organization one WikiLeaks at the Ecuadorian embassy in London and get the pending WikiLeaks emails they'll deal with the founding. Allegedly. He's referring to the Clinton foundation there. So you can see how badly Rogers don't allegedly wanted to get his hands on these WikiLeaks emails and then in August, August second in two thousand sixteen this is before any of these John Podesta emails are public. You get an Email from Coursey to Roger stone saying word is a friend in the embassy plans to more dumps one shortly after I'm back second in October impact plan to be very damaging. And this Email goes onto suggests that some of this could have to do with Podesta. So it shows you that these guys are going back and forth talking about this at a time when you know, a lot of this stuff isn't public information. Now, Roger stone insists that he never saw anything before was published by WikiLeaks. Jerome Corsi insists he was not directly in touch with Julian Assange, but you can see why investigators are looking at these two men and saying are these guys the key to a collusion question. The other thing Roger stone did that we know drew a lot of scrutiny was he put that tweet out. Now infamous tweet in late August of twenty sixteen saying it will soon be the pedestrian time in the barrel. And Roger stone has said this was just this had to do with the pedestrian brothers business dealings. It didn't have to do with their emails, and it was based on some research. I had Jerome Corsi do for me. Well, now's your own Corsey is saying actually the tweet came first and the research came later, here's how he described how he helped Roger stone's sort of clean up that mess. Political campaigns frequently develop alternative explanations for clients. And I was doing that. I mean, did they said is it lying? It's lying, but it's pretty normal practice in politics. Pretty normal practice in politics. See your own Coursey associated Roger stone explaining how he helps to come up with a reasonable explanation that he could offer publicly for why he put that tweet at wolf those Sarah WikiLeaks, they released John Podesta's emails the same day that access Hollywood released a videotape where Donald Trump is heard talking about groping women among other things. So what does of course, he know about the timing of that released by WikiLeaks. Well, course, they said this is one thing investigators were really interested in his interview with them. They wanted to know if this was somehow orchestrated and he said, you know, in fact, Roger stone was very alarmed when he found out that this video was going to be coming out and says he actually contacted your own Coursey. Here's how he described it. When I asked him about it today. We get to Tober seven which was a very very busy day from here, New York, and Roger calls me three times. We have three times we have a discussion. Now, my recollection is that Roger is saying, you know, Billy Budd is going to be dropped and Assange better gig going. You know, why don't you get to your buddy Assange and tell them to start? Well, I didn't have any contact with Assange. Oh, good. Roger going back to July and August may have you may have led him on. And again Coursey has said that he shared this information with investigators. He shared this information with the grand jury, and suggests that Roger stone new even before this access Hollywood Billy Bush tape was released it was so damaging, and they were going to need something to mitigate the fallout, and that he was trying to work behind the scenes to make sure that WikiLeaks document dump came later now Roger stone is insisting that this is patently false in a very colorful. Roger stone statement, he said, it is pure unadulterated unmitigated BS. And why would I ask him to contact Assange who even today he says he does not know neither logical or true wolf? This is what investigators are having to dig through these conflicting versions of events from these two gentlemen, watts to work on for Muller and his team though. No doubt Sara Murray. Good reporting. Thank you very much, even as the special counsel says he broke his plea deal by lying. The former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is denying a new report that he secretly met. Multiple times with the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, let's bring in our senior national correspondent, Alex bark work, so Alex. What's the latest on this run? Will if this is an explosive report that comes at a very fraught time for Paul Manafort who is currently in solitary confinement in jail in Virginia, the guardian newspaper put out this report, they are alleging that Manafort has known Julian Assange for years since well before the two thousand sixteen campaign, and that as Manafort was coming on board the campaign he met with Assange again in London a meeting that could provide the missing link between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Tonight. A new report claims it was here at the Ecuadorian embassy in London that its most famous occupant Julian Assange met at least three times with Paul Manafort the first meeting, according to the guardian newspaper took place as far back as five years ago. But it's a March twenty sixteen meeting around the time the Manafort joined the Trump campaign that would be of most interest to Robert Muller and his team. And while what was discussed in the meeting is not known the special counsel is seemingly zeroing in on tying Russian government hackers via WikiLeaks to the Trump campaign. The timing makes it very very significant that this could be exactly the link that we have all been this thing. And you know, most he may have already known this CNN has not confirmed. The guardians report Manafort has denied it saying in a statement, this story is totally false and deliberately libellous. I've never met Julian Assange or anyone connected to him. I have never been contacted. By anyone connected to Wiki leaks, either directly or indirectly. I've never reached out to or. Wikileaks on any matter. And in a strongly worded tweet WikiLeaks said they are willing to bet the guardian one million dollars and its editors head that Manafort never met. Assange Manafort was not officially in the visitors logs for the alleged meeting, but Ecuadorian intelligence sources reportedly showed the newspaper a document listing Manafort as a guest, the meeting came just a few months before Wiki leaks published their first batch of democratic emails that were stolen by Russian military. Hackers the president repeatedly praising WikiLeaks on the campaign trail WikiLeaks. I love WikiLeaks. CNN has also learned that Muller has been investigating a meeting between Manafort and the Ecuadorian president after the election in two thousand seventeen the special counsel specifically asked whether WikiLeaks or Assange were discussed all this as Muller's office on Monday accused Manafort of violating his plea deal by committing crimes and lies on a variety of subject matters manafort's lawyers shot back saying Manafort believed, he provided truthful. Formation this special counsel will now have to tell the judge. What Manafort lied about revealing part of the investigation the president's lawyer Rudy Giuliani telling CNN on Tuesday, he did know manafort's team was running into problems. And that the president is angry are Ewing. This wouldn't be happening to him. If not for this perverse overzealous desire to get him and back when manafort's struck his plea deal with this special counsel, two months ago, part of it included dropping the charges ten out of eighteen charges that he was accused of now a judge says those could be brought back since Manafort has been found to be violating his plea by lying. It does remain to be seen if that will happen. But Manafort is due to be sentenced on the other eight charges. He was convicted of in Virginia this coming February. That's what he's you'll be sentenced in February, Alex, Mark. Thank you very much. Let's go live to our chief White House correspondent Jim across as over in the north of the White House. So Jim with all of this news coming out of the Muller investigate. Today. The White House isn't making much of an effort to defend or protect Paul Manafort or others targeted by Muller. That's right. Wolf out the first on camera briefing with reporters nearly one month White House officials tried to carefully answer some questions today on the Russian investigation. The press secretary Sarah Sanders appear to indicate that there weren't talks going on inside the White House on pardoning former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, but the White House didn't exactly encourage Manafort to cooperate with a special counsel's office. Just as been has. He's been accused of lying to investigators. Handle with care that seems to be the White House approach to dealing with the allegation from the special counsel's office that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort violated his plea deal by lying to investigators and afternoon at the White House briefing. There was no talk of pardons. I'm not aware of any conversations for anyone's pardon involving, but notably no real push to urge Manafort to cooperate with special counsel, Robert Muller with the president recommend that Mr. Manafort. Offer full cooperation of a special counsel's office. We can only speak to what our role is in that process and not only have the president. But the entire administration has been fully cooperative with a special counsel's office, providing hours and hours of sit downs as well as over four million pages of documents, we continue to be cooperative. But we also know that there was no collusion. And we're ready for this to wrap up Prussia secretary. Sarah Sanders appeared to make a point of only defending the president not the rest of the campaign, certainly remain confident in the White House's assertion that the president was involved in no wrongdoing was not part of any collusion. Still with expectations building Muller could be closing it on new indictments in the Russia investigation. The president remains agitated with the probe tweeting. The media builds a Bob Muller as a Saint when an actual -ality. He is the exact opposite. He is doing tremendous damage to our criminal Justice system where he's only looking at one side and not the other heroes will come out. Out of this. And it won't be Muller. White House is also standing its ground on the killing of Jamal kashogi with national security adviser John Bolton dismissing questions from reporters about whether he should listen to an audio reporting of the murder of the Saudi journalist. I guess I should ask you, why do you think I should what do you think? I'll learn from cured advisors have access to this intelligence. How many in this room, speak Arabic? You want me to listen to what am I gonna learn from me if they were speaking Korean, I wouldn't learn any more from it. Either Sanders pushed back on the notion that the president is rejecting the assessment of the CIA that Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, ordered kashogi. He's killing we haven't seen definitive evidence come from our intelligence community that ties him directly to that. What we have seen is number of individuals that we know are tied to that. And those individuals have been sanctioned Sanders was speaking the president upstaged as press secretary breaking the news that he may punish General Motors over its plans to close car factories in the US tweeting. We are now looking at cutting all GM subsidies. The White House is blaming GM. Not Trump administration economic policies for its current woes. They're making a car, frankly that people don't want to buy. Now, the White House the president won't be meeting with the Saudi Crown prince when Mr. Trump travels to Argentina for the G twenty summit later on this week president, however will be meeting with Russia's President Vladimir Putin and Russian aggression against Ukraine is likely to come up in that discussion. A when those two leaders meet what the president will do about it, though wolf that remains a big open question will. All right, Jim. Thank you. Jim mukasa? Our chief White House correspondent reporting tonight from the north lawn of the White House. Joining us now democratic congressman David Sicily. Rhode Island is a member of both the judiciary and foreign affairs committees. Congressman thanks so much for joining us. And I quickly want to begin with these documents given to CNN by Roger stone associates Rome, Coursey, they lay out in detail. A stone pushed Quercy to obtain information from WikiLeaks about those stolen democratic documents during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign is this evidence of collusion. Well, I think again, this is more evidence of an ongoing. Conspiracy or collusion between high ranking Trump campaign officials, and Wiki leaks and Julian Assange, and the stolen emails you can see that he's not only directing drum corps to get information about her get the copies of the emails or get information about them. He reports back to a Roger stone on August second the following day. Or just tone has already said that he spoke with the president. So I again, this is more evidence of a high ranking official on the Trump campaign or an associate of President Trump in conversations with individuals that have possession of the stolen emails and discussions about their release. So I think this is very disturbing very explosive information, I think it shows the special counsel is really focusing in on the coordination that occurred a potential between the Trump campaign and Julian Assange and WikiLeaks and the Russian intelligence services that helps steal those emails. Let's turn to that report in the guardian newspaper which. Edges that Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman met with WikiLeaks, founder, Julian Assange, multiple times that's in the report both metaphor to WikiLeaks denied the report. But if it's true, if it's true, that metaphor didn't fact meet with Assange, do you believe that would be a smoking gun. Absolutely. This is the campaign manager, the president's campaign manager meeting with the individual who was really taking charge of the stolen. Emails are then released an effort to hurt the Hillary Clinton campaign a meeting with Julian Assange would be the smoking gun, very significant development. But I think all this points to one important fact, we need to protect Robert Muller and allow this investigation to come to its conclusion to present this report to the American people. So we know exactly what happened here, and we have to resist any effort to interfere impede stop in any way. This very critical investigation at the White House press briefing today, the press secretary, Sarah Sanders, would only say that the president himself was not personally involved in any collusion. She declined to defend anyone else on the campaign. So what does that what does that very narrow denial from the White House now say to you? Well, I think it says to me that they recognize that the special counsel is in possession of evidence of this. Coordination and communication between Trump associates and WikiLeaks and Julian Assange and goose for two Russian intelligence services. And now they're beginning to try to develop a new scenario where that may maybe all this happened. But the president knew nothing about it. I think that's alternately the question that the special counsel will have to answer is what to the president know when did he know it who was briefed on these activities, but this flies in direct contradiction to the the assertions by so many of these individuals that they had no contact with Russia. They had no contact about the emails that they didn't know anything about their release these e mails confirm that there was an ongoing coordination between Roger stone Jerome Corsi, Julian Assange and WikiLeaks related to the release of these stolen emails in an effort to undermine the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. We listened to help the Kennedy of President Trump emails were stolen by the Russian military intelligence unit to GRU, according to the US government of. News comes congressman just one day after the special counsel. Robert muller. Terminated Paul manafort's plea deal alleging he repeatedly lied during. What was supposed to be as cooperation why would benefit lie to the special counsel and the F B I after already pleading guilty. Hard to know, except that it is a very dangerous move by Mr. Manafort, his plea agreement requires him to be truthful and to fully disclose everything he knows in response to the special counsel's inquiry. A he now is on the hook not only for the charges he pled to but potentially for other charges which had previously been dismissed be refiled, all bets are off in terms of leniency. So one has to wonder the only thing he can be hoping for is a pardon from the president. I mean, the only way that you would risk spending the rest of your life in jail and in an effort to lie about what happened and protect the president is some expectations presents going to take care of you. We don't know that. But there's really no other explanation for this. Decision by Mr. Manafort to not provide truthful information to the special counsel and run the risk of spending the rest of his life in federal prison, congressman Sicily. Thanks so much for joining us. Hi, pleasure up next more on our breaking news. How much does the special counsel though, do the court filings obtained by CNN show that he's getting closer and closer to nailing down a collusion case? Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got Michael Rapaport on Bleacher reports forty eight to me it's like wrestle like when LeBron is jersey on he's whole Colgan or he's Andre the giant or easy iron Sheik. I don't care we as off the court kinda wanna know who'd he has a jersey on I want him down. So check out the full forty eight now on the Bleacher report or subscribe at apple podcasts. Following breaking news in the Russia investigation. CNN is now obtained a draft legal documents that gives us significant new insights about what the special counsel. Robert Muller knows. This includes new details about Trump ally. Roger stone's alleged efforts during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign to get information from WikiLeaks about the Clinton campaign emails stolen, by the Russian intelligence service. Let's bring in our experts so Phil Mudd. What does what stands out to you from going through? These documents one piece of this. Look we've been at this for for a couple of years now a couple of pieces that have already come in place. We know what the Russians did the Muller indictment show us. It wasn't only Russians involved in hacking. It was Russians involved in military intelligence. We know who they hacked and how they released the information that was the intermediary WikiLeaks. Putting putting out the information? We're waiting for the final piece we knew Roger stone was involved in looking at WikiLeaks. We didn't have a great deal of detail that. Final piece was there an element in the Trump circuit who was connected with WikiLeaks too. So slowly coming to focus this piece. We're missing though, is whether they ever got what they're seeking where a half a step away from that closing in. What do you make of course, he's claim and it's a claim by him that he just happened to correctly. Guess it was a guest on his part, which which emails WikiLeaks would release was a guest. Okay. Lee the serious answer to this is if he's telling that to the special counsel, he better be pretty darn sure. The special counsel doesn't have information that showed for example, emails telephonic communication with WikiLeaks numbers or Email addresses that shows that Coursey or he had a linkages to WikiLeaks. People. Don't buy it for minute. If you buy that put a tooth under your pillow tonight because you're gonna get a dollar in the morning does make sense in these documents. You know, Laura, the prosecutors outline what they say are three specific lives. They allege Corsi told federal investigators, including the FBI the special counsel. Nls office. Why would Coursey reject a plea agreement knowing the kind of evidence that the special counsel has it could be he's simply not listening to his lawyer client sometimes reject really good advice, even when it's in their own best interests. I mean, there's no question. The emails are really bad look for Coursey and stone their explicit. They kind of all laid out there. But as we haven't seen sort of the back end of those emails, we haven't seen the communications between Coursey and someone involved in weeks. We haven't seen an Email between Coursey and Julian Assange, for instance, which is really damning. But the other pieces of this is the emails are coming from a draft statement of an offense, which would have been included if he had actually pled guilty. There may be more to it. That Muller just didn't lay out here knowing that Coursey is publicly talking to everyone tiny clue Muller and his people really know Deva's this the most damning evidence of collusion that we've seen so far. I guess probably. But the last part of your sense is the key. But you were saying what we've seen so far. We don't know we don't know. And that as much as we understandably sees on the sort of tidbits that we get the little drops of information that we get through these various negotiations of plea deals or indictments of maybe lesser characters. There. There is a year and a half sport of work that is the basis for what Robert Muller and his team really do have. And we have to keep that in mind. And although there have been, you know, public suggestions that people who talk to the Muller team that he could be wrapping up looking at this. I don't know what you think in both of you guys with legal background doesn't look like someone who's going to wrap up anytime soon looks like he's working. He's got a lot of it fresh. It'd be how do you see all this unfolding? Well, one person throughout all of this continues to surprise us. And that's Robert Muller in the sense that he is not one, but a thousand steps ahead of us and nothing that's far has leaked. So every time we think we see where something is going in the direction that it's going another surprise pops up and other question that comes to mind is going back to the Manafort and Trump connection remember initially when he was brought into the campaign. It was almost. Incidental perfect timing star sort of aligned now that you see the track record not only with his contacts in eastern Europe. But also is contact with Julian Assange going back as far as you years ago before they campaign one has to wonder about the connection between Trump associates and Manafort himself, and whether he just happened to stumble into the campaign, or whether they were closer ties there, you know, Phil let me get your reaction to this report in the guardian today, which alleges that Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman made multiple visits with the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, including during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign metaphor, it did is that Julia Julian Assange denies it. But if it's true would that be clear cut evidence of collusion linking the Russians Wicky leaks? Trump associates and the Trump campaign half a step that one final piece you need is if he traveled that if Manafort traveled to London to meet Assange, I wanna see Assange. Giving him something in exchange that doesn't have to be a piece of paper. It could be. We will release information on weekly WikiLeaks and states that are important to you. And we'll let you know in advance. I tell you the one thing that's interesting here manafort's, obviously denying this. If they've got that as the the Muller people have things like his travel records airplane records visa records Email if he's lying again for about the eighteenth time, he's in trouble and be if this is confirmed, we're a half step away from saying the campaign colluded, and that's the key. I mean finding out if somebody who's an American citizen traveled to a place like one din, it's not that hard. I mean, you your passport, and you can get that information. If you're any federal official, never mind, Robert Muller. Right. I mean, five basic, and for example, go to the British and say, what are the immigration Robert Wright people coming in? Right. So that leads you to go ahead. Go ahead. I was just say that leaves you to one of two conclusions. One that Muller that Manafort really is this naive that. He's gotten away with lying his whole life. So why not now to Bob Muller or that? Maybe it would be worth a going to prison for as opposed to the consequences of divulging everything he knows in exchange for possibly, you know, upsetting some untoward people. Let's just leave it at that and eastern Europe yesterday, a metaphor. According to Robert Muller is a liar. The plea agreement that they released yesterday the document they released before the court. The federal prosecutors have Manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the Federal Bureau of investigation and the specialist counsel's office on a variety of subject matters, which constitute breaches of the agreement. What's your nalysts of why Manafort at this stage after pleading guilty promising to cooperate in order to get a reduced sentence? Would go ahead at a lot. That's what's so confounding. Is why given the level of exposure and the serious of the criminal case that they have built around him. Why would he risk that? And I think that's what's led everyone. To the speculation that he could only be possibly holding out for a pardon and otherwise you wouldn't risk this. But he has a credibility problem. He has a history of lying. He has pled guilty to lying to the investigators here, and we all remember, even when he was in jail, and he was facing criminal trial. He was using his Email in in violation of the rules. And he was doing things that suggests that he was being less than transparent with the special counsel's office, which is really got him in a lot of hot water smoke. You're Rudy Giuliani data the president's personal lawyer. What did he's well? What's interesting is that he is very open about the fact that he's in communication with Paul manafort's attorneys and. Absolutely. And it is it's done in a lot. When you have multiple people who are were represented by different lawyers who have common interests, and at this point, the Juliane that the Trump legal team, and the Manafort legal team believed that they still have common interest, which I think is noteworthy, but he also explained so Giuliani said that they have known for some time that Paul Manafort was sort of moving away from this plea deal because he felt that he was being pressured, according to Manafort to not tell the truth, but also explained why the president has been no even more aggressive on Twitter going after Muller is because of what he's saying with Manafort and with what he's saying with Coursey, which he argues he the president argues in private just as he's done publicly on Twitter that this is exhibit a of the Muller investigation going way. Too far going after people as a way to get at and get to and take down the president. It'll be on some of suggested that metaphor may be motivated by potential presidential pardon. What do you think? Well, if that is a big risk to put yourself out there for in hoping that the president who at times, as you know, through Twitter, and other means has distanced himself from Manafort so to think that now he would happen to to pardon him would be a big risk for Manafort, not to take not to mention that a state charges do not apply here. So this would just be for federal pardoning and federal crime. So in addition to that remember manafort's woes go back way before he joined this campaign tax evasion. All of that all of his dealings in Ukraine and Russia, go back decades, if anything one could say that he's possibly more concerned about the consequences of what a Muller has dug up about his time there and what? Has led up to now and not wanting to upset people in former business partners that he worked with in Ukraine and Russia as opposed to just worrying about how this impacts the Trump campaign administration feel I asked the question about pardons because of the president's three tweets earlier today in which he really go, but he's been blasting Muller Muller for a long time. But some of the things he said about this, quote, phony, which aren't Muller and his gang of angry dams. They are horribly viciously treating people ruining people's lives. Muller is a conflicted. Prosecutor gone rogue he's doing tremendous damage to our criminal Justice system. He's got a gang of angry Democrats, the now thirty million dollar which continues and they've got nothing but ruined lives. And then he at the end, he says, let these terrible people go back to the Clinton foundation and puts him quotes Justice department. This is what he's saying right now can can we differentiate between the president and the commander in chief. Last winter starting in late winter, we had the initial huge of indictments about Russian citizens who are involved in hacking in American election in who are -ffiliated with people who had direct business ties to Putin. Fine. We move fast four we have another huge trunk of diamonds from the Muller team. These people are supposed to be angry Democrats who directly connect Russian military intelligence, presumably authorized by Putin to get involved in hacking American election, can the president spent one second telling us why an investigation funded by America that that shows us in black and white that Russian military intelligence is interfering in elections is a hoax. Why is that a hoax? Why can't he be commander in chief? Don't get if the president of the United States believes that would Muller is doing is doing tremendous damage to our criminal Justice system. Why do they do the right thing is simply fire Muller an end this injustice to the criminal Justice system is sitting back and just watching unfold if he believes what he's actually saying I mean. Look that's a good question. The answer is because he's being told by every single person around him. Do not do that for a lot of reasons, you know, the the most pressing is the political ramifications for doing that, particularly with the Democrats poised to take over the house. But what you say is a as a logical outgrowth of what you just saw what you just read in those Twitter comments this morning. There's no question, and he is expressing his frustration. And the question is how is that going to manifest itself? Particularly since remember, he now has has a handpicked acting attorney general who has been very publicly, you know, critical of the Muller probe. And so that is something that is is a big question, Mark. And it is also why even though there's a lot of Republican criticism of this idea. There is even more talk this week of legislation in the US Senate. And then ultimately in the house. To protect Robert Koehler, everybody stick around. There's a lot unfolding. We're just beginning to assess all of this much more. We're going to have on what we're learning about your special counsel's investigation from drafts of court papers prepared by Robert Muller's team. And now with chain by CNN Rawson following breaking news in Mississippi where they're just over two hours left to vote. They what's become a very controversial runoff for a US Senate seat. I'm eighty canton this week on March man is three sixty five here from Tennessee's rant Williams for us. It's all about being tough fiscal standpoint and lying in and don't get job can call on the board and gardening as well. As Don of it of understanding the game plan. I'm standing gutter report as well. As understanding what our goal is you of March madness three sixty five Arbil every Tuesday at apple podcasts by March madness dot com and wherever you listen to podcasts. Following a breaking story in Mississippi voters have just over two more hours to cast ballots in what's become very controversial. And polarized. US? Senate runoff Republicans are expecting to hold the seat. It's a much different story in the house of representatives are political director, David chalian is here David, you know, Democrats they keep picking up seats in the new house. The votes are still being counted today in New Mexico in the second congressional district. They're a Republican held seat flipped to the democrat, so cheap tour small wins there in in New Mexico. This this is now the thirty ninth net pickup for Democrats in the house of representatives. They are on the precipice of forty because there's a seat in California. Now, the only race that doesn't have a call yet from CNN in the twenty first congressional district San Joaquin valley, California, wolf, we're David validation. The Republican incumbent has now fallen behind the democratic. Candidate there. TJ Cox Democrats ahead by about four hundred thirty six votes, if that falls to the Democrats that will be clean forty net gain pickup for Democrats. Pretty impressive sweep and beyond that if you add up all the American votes for members of the house of representatives and all the congressional four hundred thirty five congressional districts, the Democrats nationally what they picked up some nine million more votes than the Republicans. Yeah. It's an astonishing gap between the two parties nearly nine million raw votes advantage for the Democrats over Republicans in the national house race as you said, if you total the mole up that is a record breaking gap between two parties in house votes in American history. And so not only did we see some record turnout of for a midterm election season wolf, but we now we're seeing this record win for Democrats and this forty seat gain as you said, this really is a Blue Wave that has been extending now for three weeks, but of the Senate the Republicans did pick up. At least two maybe three seats. Right. Well, this wouldn't be a pickup Mississippi. It would be a Republican hold on three or seven instead of fifty one forty nine that is exactly right. So they look poised to have a net gain of to the Republicans in the United States Senate. They had a hugely advantages map. So the fact that Democrats were able to keep them to to actually probably best at the Democrats did really well in the governor's races. They did really well with state legislatures. So what does this mean as far as a Blue Wave is concerned? Well, this is a pretty significant Blue Wave that has swept across the country. And there is little doubt that it is in retaliation to President Trump's first two years. That's what midterms are there sort of a report card from the American people on the president's first two years and President Trump did not get a very much passing grade from the American public in these mentor for it to see what happens in Mississippi tonight in the special Senate runoff election. All right, David, thanks very much coming up, a former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort denies newspapers reporting secretly met with weeklies funder. Alina sanju. Also, breaking right now in a brand new interview just posted President Trump says the navy he won't meet after all with leading. We're this weekend's upcoming g twenty summit in Argentina. What are the president's relationships with dictators and strongman's mean for the US on the world state? Good day. Sweep world Jay skis here. From the starters and basketball is back. Join me tests, Lee and trade at six eastern, every weeknight on NBA TV, as we break down everything that matters to NBA fans from trade. Rumors to Twitter beefs and don't forget to check out our podcast, the drop now drop in twice a week every Tuesday and Friday on apple podcasts. Spotify an NBA dot com slash the starters until then the race today. People. Breaking news just days after Russia's seized three. Ukrainian ships rather than Trump. Now says he's awaiting a full report, but suggested a new Washington Post interview that he may not even meet with leading Putin at this week's g twenty summit in Argentina. Brian Todd has been looking into all of this us Brian president not exactly holding Putin's feet to the fire right now. But we've seen this movie before we have seen it before. Wolf tonight. We're watching to see if we get a sequel of that movie in that post to interview the president says he doesn't like the aggression which occurred in the waters off Ukraine. The question now is is he gonna give Ladimir Putin pass as he's done before. After his UN ambassador. Lambasted the aggression of flat. Amir Putin and his military following their confrontation at sea with Ukrainian ships. President Trump once again appeared to let Putin sliding either way we don't like what's happening at hopefully, it'll get straightened out. Not unlike how the president seemingly let Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman slide after the CIA made the assessment that the prince directed the murder of journalist Jamal shook shake you can conclude that maybe he did. Or maybe he didn't critics say the pattern is consistent dictator behaves badly Trump, either sidesteps the issue or praises the strong man like he's often done with Kim Jong UN. And then we fell in love even when pressed by CBS's, sixty minutes on Kim's record of human rights abuses. The president wouldn't budge. Do you love that guy? Look look. I like I get along with. Okay. Trump has often extolled his warm relationship with China's Gijon pink, and even though Philippines, president Rodrigo Duterte has admitted engaging an extra judicial killings of drug suspects a leaked transcript of a Trump phone call with Detaille quoted Trump as saying I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem. Trump biographers say some of this speaks to how Trump often seeks to portray himself as the tough guy. I think that he's drawn to authoritarian strongman, I think that he admires the way that they will power. But I also think he's afraid of them the admirations along with a lack of willingness to go toe to toe with dictators biographers say could trace back to Trump's childhood. This is an instinct developed when very young in a household that was dominated by a very strong father figure and who sent him away to military. The academy when his father was exacerbated with him. Others say this speaks to Trump's business instincts willing to overlook a dictators transgressions for practical purposes, as he's done with the Saudi Crown prince Saudi Arabia. If we broke with them, I think your oil prices would go through the roof business instincts, which also led to an admiration for how dictators don't have to deal with the bureaucracy that he does he was fascinated by people who were able to smash through the rule book and get things done but analysts say most of the dictators the president is friendly with now understand they can play Trump get what they want from him by flattering him him in North Korea. And she and China and now the crown prince of Saudi Arabia have we're to the president by showering him with praise. Bike receiving him with great pomp and circumstance in their countries. And by promising to buy American do this for Trump, and he will be. At least rhetorically prison the view and open to working with you in a way that previous American presidents were not funding. It's an analyst worry that by cutting so much slack to the regimes like the Saudis the North Koreans and of Ladimir Putin. President Trump could also be whittling away America's leverage over those countries. Not only to get with the US needs from them. But to stop them from behaving badly on the world stage from committing human rights, abuses, and even murder wolf. All right, Brian. Thanks very much. Brian Todd reporting for us coming up. The breaking news CNN receives court papers detailing alleged steps one by Trump ally to get information on democratic emails stolen by Russia's name is Robert Muller getting closer to making a collusion case. And Paul metaphor denies a report that he met secretly with WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, even as the special counsel says the former Trump campaign, chairman broke his plea deal by repeatedly lying to the FBI. 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Day 670: Trump reportedly wanted to order DOJ to prosecute Clinton & Comey

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

44:23 min | 2 years ago

Day 670: Trump reportedly wanted to order DOJ to prosecute Clinton & Comey

"Breaking news tonight word from the New York Times that the president wanted the Justice department to prosecute James Colman, Hillary Clinton earlier this year, one of the reporters on the story standing by to talk with us has our former colleagues of Robert Muller who can tell us what he may be doing with this information, and what to watch for next on top of all that following the death and dismemberment of journalist and US residents. The president has taken the other side throwing his weight behind Saudi Arabia over his own Intel experts in the case of Jamal kashogi all of it. As the eleventh hour gets underway on Tuesday night. Well, good evening once again from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, six seventy of the Trump administration. We lead our broadcast tonight with a stunner of a report in the New York Times, which says the president wanted to order the criminal prosecution of James Komi and Hillary Clinton, according to people familiar with the conversation. It broke wild. Trump was on Air Force One on his way to his Florida property for the thanksgiving holiday times reporting is the work of Michael Schmidt and Maggie Haberman. Michael will join us in just a moment. And they write quote, President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice department to prosecute his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton and the former FBI director James Comey. The lawyer Don Mcgann rebuffed, the president saying that he had no authority to order prosecution. Mr. began said he could while he could request an investigation that too could prompt. Accusations of abuse of power to underscore, his point Mr. Mcgann, had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals he could face a range of consequences including possible impeachment. Now, both the times and CNN also report that Trump repeatedly pressed officials at the Justice department, including Matt Whitaker when he was chief of staff to Jeff Sessions about the status of Clinton related investigations Trump's desire to use federal law enforcement to go after his rival is not new we take you back now to the second presidential debate in Saint Louis. If I win. I am going to instruct my attorney general. To get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country because you'd be in jail secretary Clinton. So there was that exchange. You may also recall that former FBI director Comey testified to congress about his conversations with Trump after Trump fired him. It's my judgment that I was fired because of the Russian investigation, I was fired in some way to change or the endeavor was to change the way. The rush investigation is being conducted both Komi and Don Mcgann who recently left the White House counsel job are witnesses in the Mueller investigation, while the White House declined to comment on the times report mcgann's lawyer told the paper, quote, Mr. Mcgann will not comment on his legal advice to the president like any client, the president is entitled to confidentiality Mr. Mcgann would point out though that the president never to his knowledge ordered that anyone prosecute Hillary Clinton or James Komi. We must point out the operative word. There is ordered the times piece also gives clues to the status of FBI director Chris Wray, and how Trump sees him quote. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the FBI director, Christopher a Ray. For failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs Clinton calling him weak. Also tonight, a new development on the Muller investigation after months of negotiations. We can now report Trump's legal team says it has submitted his written answers to the special counsel's questions. All of it. Brings us to our leadoff panel on a Tuesday night, including one of the reporters who broke this news, Michael Schmidt Pulitzer prize winning Washington correspondent for the New York Times Philip Rucker Pulitzer prize winning White House bureau chief for the Washington Post. Jeremy bash former chief of staff at CI and the Pentagon and former US attorney Joyce Vance who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor welcome back to the broadcast. All our veteran guests and Michael begin with you is it notable that the time line on your story. This bring suggestion by the president puts us so deep into the Trump administration. Another. Way of saying so deep into the Russia investigation or so deep into the obstruction of Justice investigation the president despite the fact that they were looking at his interactions with the Justice department with the FBI how he may tried to impede. The rush investigation was undeterred and wanted to talk to Mcgann about this in wanted to figure out how he could put pressure on Hillary combing used the Justice department to do that. And it's a remarkable thing for any president to do. But especially one who's being looked at for obstruction of Justice, especially one where all of his aides are going into meet with Bob Muller about why the president did what he did in twenty seventeen. Why he tried to fire the attorney general in two thousand seventeen why he was trying to put a loyalist in charge of the Russian vested Gatien. So it's just another example how when Trump came to Washington he was not going to change who he was. He was not going to adapt to the sensibilities of Washington, and the sort of a product of it. So Mcgann says no rebuffs the president the president, obviously, still seething who. Is there Michael to do the rebuffing? Now, let's sort of a point that we make in the story he has an acting attorney general now who is clearly a loyalist to him someone that folks at the top of the Justice department would say doesn't deserve to be the attorney general doesn't have the credentials to be the attorney general someone that wouldn't be able to get confirmed to be the attorney general, but someone that the president feels comfortable with and things we'll be loyalty Mcgann is no longer there Mcgann for you know, has been criticized by a lot of people for maybe not stopping the Komi firing, and such but was a guardrail and did stop the president from doing a lot of things that may have been unethical or illegal again is obviously a witness in these special counsel's investigation. You know, he is given up enormous stuff about. What the president was doing behind the scenes in these important moments are looking at on obstruction? But they're gone. They're not there anymore. Sessions is not the attorney general Mcgann is not the White House counsel. And you know, the president has sort of lost. Some of these guardrails as more time goes on into his ministration, and perhaps he's more isolated or perhaps is more on his own. Joyce question to you. What happens when there isn't a Mcgann to stop the sort of thing. I think that that's exactly the right question. And it it could mean if the president continues down this path that he undermines the rule of law. The the most I think really shocking phrase in Mike story is when he talks about the president saying that he wanted to order the Justice department to to convene this investigation not investigation. But prosecution the president thought it was okay. For him to say, I want you to lock up my political opponents in this witness against me, and the idea that a president could do that would have. So little insight into how our system works that he truly would place himself above the rule of law. It's just appalling the idea that there might be no one left with an acting attorney general who is essentially said he's willing to do the president's heavy lifting in this area. No one there to stop. This president is truly frightening. Joyce. Let's assume this memo is deep in a Muller file. Having been gotten months ago. And it's it's now buried in the case file, but well-known in his office, if you're Muller reading about this if you're Muller reading, the New York Times story, you read it as evidence of what? You read it potentially as evidence of obstruction. Look, I assume that Muller is known about this for months if not longer that he knows far more about this situation than we do and that he's already assessed. It it could be evidence that the president just really fundamentally lacks an understanding of our legal system. It could also be something a little bit more nefarious. It's possible that depending on what evidence Muller has it could be evidence that the president was trying to obstruct or intimidate witnesses in this case, Jim Qomi said there's full range of possibilities. I suspect that that's why Don Mcgann would've wanted to put it in writing. So he could lay out for the president. If you do this. If you order a prosecution, you could potentially be committing federal crime or you could be abusing the process in a way that would lead to your NPR. So Jeremy bash in what light does this put the new guy the acting attorney. Any general Mr. Whittaker? Well, he has to be a check against the president. But he was put in there to not be a check. And so really the only checks left in our government are those in congress and just to think big Brian from the president is redefining the American presidency before our eyes or he's attempting to he's attempting to redefine American democracy, and in our system of checks and balances in our Madison system, the only branch of government that can stop the president from doing these illegal acts are the judiciary and the congress Phil Rucker. What drives the obsession in the president's had with combing and to a greater extent Hillary Clinton at long last. He won he beat Hillary Clinton. He fired Jim Komi well to speak to Hillary Clinton for a moment. He not only views her as his permanent enemy political adversary opponent. But he's resentful that there's this investigation ongoing, the special counsels pro. Into Russian interference with his campaign. He's resentful that he's under the microscope and that Hillary is not this. According to people who talk about it with the president. What he sometimes forgets though, is that she's not in power see was not elected president heap defeated her. She's a private citizen right now. And so they're just in very different circumstances. But I think speaking to his concerns about Hillary Clinton, and Jim Komi and his obsession with it. It's this great detail in in Mike and Maggie story in the times, which is that it apparently wasn't enough for Don Mcgann, or the other lawyers to tell the president that that that would be an abuse of power that he can't do it. They had to write up a memo explaining exactly why he could not order the Justice department to do this explaining why that could be potentially cause for impeachment. And that just shows how serious the president took this desire to prosecute them. Jeremy I'd like to read you Sally Yates, former number two it Justice. What she said today on social media part of. This has to do with the story. We're going to get to later in our broadcast in a single day. President of the United States turns a blind eye to the barbaric murder of journalist. And we learned that he tried to order DOJ to go after his political adversaries is there. No depths to which he will not sink. We can't let him drag America down with him. You. Concur. What have we learned just today and Sally Yates, of course, is a career prosecutor she actually began her prosecutorial career under a Republican administration. This is a bipartisan view that we hear time and time again from professionals career law enforcement intelligence and military professionals that the president is abusing his authority is commander in chief abusing his authority under the constitution to ignore intelligence assessments to or the military to the border in a blatantly political way before an election, and now to order criminal prosecution of his political adversary. As we've never seen anything like it history. Phil Rucker it strikes me after this day. We've had where there have been multiple occasions to reset today and think to ourselves as we do every day. Okay. That's not normal. That's not normal. That's not normal. The president heads off tomorrow go where the usual checks on his well, sometimes there are checks on his behavior and utterances at the White House all bets have traditionally been off down in Florida. What could go wrong a lot could go wrong. This was a pretty busy Tuesday. I it's just a number of controversies the one hour after the next and when the president gets tomorrow Lago. It's the totally different environment for him. Right. He surrounded by his friends by loyalists, but who are not in the government, his golf buddies, his rich friends in Palm Beach who come in have meals with him at the clubhouse. He's very loose. He gets a lot of encouragement. He has a can have a sense of sort of a distorted view of of what's right? What's wrong with popular? What's not? Based on his environs there, and he doesn't have the staff guardrails at mar-a-lago that he normally has it's a very slim staff, especially in the days around thanksgiving. And I think he's going to feel free to say what he wants to say on Twitter to do what he wants to do to talk to whoever he wants to talk to and play as much golf as he wants as we say what could go wrong. Hey, Michael, the president has talked to you about loyalty has he has complained that JFK had his RFK, and that in his view of the world Obama had his attorney general there as running interference. Does he does he realize that there are rules in place? He said in effect, where's my ROY Cohn that loyalty can only go so far when you're talking about the mechanics of the presidency injustice. Well, loyalty has been something. He's been sort of obsessed with with the Justice murmured since he came into office. If you're a member just seven days into his administration. He. A one on one dinner with Jim Komi at the White House where he asked him the FBI director for his loyalty. This is this really unnerved Komi and sort of set them on their path that in dental place at ended up very poorly for the president and Komi obviously losing his job. But the president sees the attorney general someone who should be most loyal to him. It's more important to be loyal to him than to the rule of law or defying the facts. And that is why he was so angry and so disappointed in Jeff Sessions for ING himself in the Russian vested Gatien. He obsessed about that issue up until the point that he fired sessions the day after the election when he held Mcgann responsible for not stopping sessions from using himself. Loyalty to the president is the most important thing in the one of the major questions, the entire Trump story is is that Donald Trump to someone who simply wants loyalty because he grew up that way. That's important to him. Or does he need loyalty to protect himself? And someday we'll know the answer to that question. But we don't right now with that on this Tuesday night. Our thanks to Michael Schmidt to Phil Rucker to Jeremy bash to Joyce Vance for starting off our conversation. Much obliged and coming up for us Robert Muller's nextstep and his investigation, especially after all we've been talking about tonight to of Muller's former colleagues are with us next to weigh in and later nearly fifty days after Jamal kashogi, death and dismemberment Trump releases a statement jammed with exclamation points in defensive Saudi Arabia. The eleventh hour just getting underway on Tuesday night. Former White House counsel, Don Mcgann had a stark warning for the president demand investigation into Hillary Clinton and Komi, and you could get impeached as a result as we've been saying tonight. The Washington Post says that warning was spelled out in a memo Mcgann has spent dozens of hours talking to the special counsel. There's a very good chance Muller has seen or has the memo or both. So what happens now with us to talk about it two men who worked with and for Robert Muller to former senior managers managers at the bureau. Frank figliuzzi. Former FBI assistant director for counterintelligence, and Chuck Rosenberg former US attorney and also a former senior FBI official Chuck will begin with you home field advantage here in New York safe to assume Robert Muller has this memo has had this memo has had knowledge of this incident for a good long while absolutely Brian. If he doesn't have the memo he'll have it now and. And frankly, what he really needs or the recollections of the people who wrote the memo or were there for the conversation. Right. The memo is corroborative, but was really important are the people who spoke to the president got his direction. Understood what he intended to do and wrote that stuff down that's the real evidence. And we know Mcgann, for instance, has been a meeting with special counsel for many many hours. That's what matters Frank. This is another instance of Don Mcgann as one of the human guardrails around the president does this article also kind of out Mr. Whittaker as a potential witness. You've got the president coming to the chief of staff at the Justice department under sessions saying in effect. Hey, how we doing on that investigation of Hillary? Yeah. There's no question now in my mind that at some point Mr. Whitaker's gonna find himself either testifying before congress as to what transpired who asked. What when what was the tone? What was the intention that he inferred or and or he's going to find himself being interviewed. If he hasn't already by a member of the special counsel team, he has essentially made himself a fact witness by even engaging in these types of discussion. And if the reporting is accurate, Brian that essentially, the president went around the attorney general of the United States to his chief of staff and made increase about investigating political enemies than look we got even clear evidence that the president is not intending to use proper channels. But rather to use political allies to go after his enemies, Chuck how much does it worry. You. And your long established love of the Federal Bureau of investigation to learn that the president is sideways right now with the director of the FBI, despite the fact that directors are hired for ten year terms. It's not a good thing. But it's also not an unusual thing directors of the FBI have gotten sideways with the White House because their job. Being the rule of law pursuing evidence and facts sometimes doesn't mesh with the political imperatives of the president of the United States. So does worry me not that much? Is it a good thing? It's part of the the normal and natural tension that you might expect. What worries me though, is that we have a president who is particularly opposed to the rule of law was particularly savage in his remarks about the men and women of the FBI of law enforcement of the military of the intelligence community. That's what worries me, and that's what's really truly abnormally here. Just the first time in our lifetimes, Chuck that you've had a president of use them as kind of all inservice to him. Seems to me. I mean, I I need to talk to really smart historians. Right to to find out what sort of the long view of this is Brian. But in my memory and my time at the department of Justice nightime at the FBI. Yes, Frank, we're going to try at some point here this week to allow our viewers to step away, and perhaps do something shocking. Enjoy thanksgiving with their families. But as we contemplate that what are you looking for? We've been promised more documents in the Manafort matter, are you still on a hair trigger this close to the thanksgiving holiday that we could get something at any moment. I think that's quite possible. Now that we've seen the president turn in his written answers. We're getting closer to the end. It's still a mystery as to where that lies I'll say this though, Brian as we continue to get new reporting of what's transpired and the president's own conduct. It's ironic that as much as he wants us to end fast his own conduct could be keeping this going. You know Muller could have had exploring further evidence of obstruction. The whole issue of obstruction is is kind of a gray area right now in most of our minds about what's being pursued. And what's not so short answer? We're closer to the end. Could it could we see further indictments as soon as this week? Yes. Indeed. But that necessarily won't be the end, I think we're we're much closer than we've been we need to stay tuned to what's happening. And it wouldn't surprise me. If we see something slipped in on like a Friday after thanksgiving. Because most team just continues to work at it. That's what I was fearing you. We're going to say further proof. We can't look away from this thing for more than ten minutes at a time. But our thanks as always to two of our longtime, friends and contributors Frank Figliuzzi, Chuck Rosenberg, gentlemen. Thank you both for joining us tonight. Happy thanksgiving to you both and coming up did the president just take another country side following the death of a US resident the latest reaction to that. When we continue. President Trump released an unusual shall we say exclamation point filled statement today, disputing CIA findings that the Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, ordered the killing of journalists Jamal kashogi in his statement Trump calls it a terrible crime. But made clear the US stands with Saudi Arabia saying in part, quote, king Salman and crown prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously, deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. kashogi, our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event. Maybe he did. And maybe he didn't that being said, we may never know all the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal kashogi in any case. Our relationship is with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in are very important fight against Iran. On the United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia, New York Times and others reported the obvious because the statement contains at least a half dozen exclamation points. And he uses language that we've heard him use in the past twenty four hours. Of course, it's believe he dictated the large portion of it starting with the headline America first. But there's something else. He also has repeated his claim today that American jobs are at risk here. And we quote, again the kingdom agreed to spend and invest four hundred fifty billion in the United States. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs of the four hundred fifty billion one hundred ten billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment. Now. The president's statement had Associated Press fact checkers. Busy today. They wrote quote. The Pentagon said last month that Saudi Arabia had signed letters of offer and acceptance for only fourteen and a half billion in military purchases and confirmed. Stay that. Nothing further has reached that stage. The State Department estimated last year that if the full one hundred ten billion and prospective business is fulfilled. It could end up potentially supporting tens of thousands of new jobs in the United States. This is a far cry from the five hundred to six hundred thousand jobs that Trump has said the arms deal is worth. There has been no verification from either country that the kingdom agreed to spend and invest four hundred fifty billion dollars in the United States. Having a stab list that here to talk about it. Indira Lachman on veteran journalists foreign and diplomatic correspondent, she is Washington columnist for the Boston Globe and executive editor with the Pulitzer center on crisis reporting also still with us tonight is Jeremy bash Indira the president's lead sentence in that press release today was the world is a very dangerous place. If FDR. Are had started his fireside chats with that kind of language. It would have been shocking and unsettling president's role is as protector or so we think that's just the beginning of how unusual. This was sure. I mean that statement seemed to justify that there is violence and malfeasance around the world. And there's you know, what does the US stand for if it's not for human rights and universal values. We've always up as a beacon around the world among other things primarily press freedom because we're one of the, you know, we're the only country that has a first amendment checking press freedom, but one of the things that was really striking about the statement was the level to which President Trump was really transparent about how transactional he sees foreign policy, and I spoke this week to career State Department diplomats and former senior CIA officials who were shocked because the CIA as we know it's been reported has come out with a. Finding that they believe Muhammed bin Salman, the Thirty-three-year-old crown prince did have knowledge of and direct this murder of Jamal kashogi, the columnist for the Washington Post and for the president to dismiss the finding of his own intelligence service is really shocking, and when he says he may have done it. He may not have we may never know will he might know a lot more if he listened to his own intelligence agencies, and if he were willing to listen to that tape that the Turks willingly provided in which he said, I don't wanna listen to that tape of his murder Jeremy in effect. He's saying look on the whole I think we should go with a good customer, and that brings us to the other Canard that this defense business is in danger of getting picked off by the Russians or the Chinese. They have no comparison to the f thirty five they have no comparison to a lot of these weapons systems the Saudis already have American weapons systems what they've learned on and trained on that business is not going to. China. I think that's right and the Saudi F fifteens are see by Boeing and their entire defense infrastructure is really based on an American model, and it is true that at the cornerstone of the US Saudi relationship isn't essential bargain. Basically, they will help advance US national sturdy interests, and we will be a protector of the house of sod. But that doesn't mean that we should abandon all of our commitments to the ideals that make America what America is it's a far cry from Ronald Reagan's vision of shining city on the hill. We're America in the world stands for something. We stand for democratic values. We stand for freedom. We stand for the rights of free expression for the rights of dissidents, and the idea that the only way to get things done in a mean and nasty world is to allow people to lure journalists into consulates at to murder them. That is an affront to everything that America stands for Indira. Indeed, I heard Nicole Wallace center noone on her show say that today for some reason to her felt like the big. Biggest violation of norms only because our president faced with the death. And dismemberment of illegal US residents said now I'm going to I'm going to side with the other guys. Yeah. I mean in one part, he's also siding with his son in law, Jared Kushner, right on who picked Mohammed bin Salman is his guy because let's face it. It was not sure that the crown prince was going to be the crown prince there were many people who could have been chosen from. But Jared Kushner early on during the transition really showed his own backing from the United States from the Trump administration. They are putting all of their eggs in the Mohammed bin Salman basket. They think that it's not only about oil sales and keeping oil prices steady which President Trump referred to. But it's also about they hope he's going to bring them a Middle East peace deal. They hope he's going to stand with them against Iran. It was striking to me that here's a statement. That is supposed to be about Saudi Arabia. But the very first sentence actually talked about Iran and blamed the Warren. Yeah. In on Iran, when we know that Saudi indiscriminate bombing has caused so many thousands tens of thousands of civilian casualties and has now prompted a feminine. So with Saudi Arabia suddenly giving money and saying, hey, we're here to relieve the famine it's a famine that they helped create when we can still work with the Saudis to advance peace in the region to advance our interests encountering, Iran. We don't have to give away our power and say, basically, you can do whatever you want. We're going to abandon our ideals, and I think we are headed on a collision course between the president. And the yet again, Brian because in January the agency is going to come forward with an intelligence assessment for all the world to see because they're going to have to testify in public the series of hearings at the house and Senate intelligence committees. Will hold them. They'll be asked point blank. What say you about the assessment of Mba's culpability with the entire fifteen seconds. I have left. I heard it said tonight, don't call the Saudis allies, they are security partners. Do you prefer that definition? But we have. A specific legal term about allies in NATO and non NATO allies, the Saudis are undoubtedly an important security partner tonight states as our other Gulf countries in the region are great thanks to our friends Indira and Jeremy for coming by and talking with us on this Tuesday night and coming up for us is a Russian about to be elected to run INTERPOL. And what that might mean for the rest of us when we come back. The one hundred ninety four member nations of INTERPOL, the international. Police organization are choosing a new president tomorrow. In by the previous INTERPOL president. This is important is under arrest in China on corruption charges, and now a Russian general and close ally of Russian President, Vladimir Putin may take his place will repeat a Russian may be the next leader of INTERPOL just saying that sends chills through most members of the US military intelligence and law enforcement communities during tomorrow's vote each member nation, though, it looks like a episode of the voice each member nation has an equal vote. So while all of the so-called major nations could and likely will vote against the Russian smaller nations. Some with populations the size of some medium US cities are. Free to cut deals with Russia in return for their boats to put it bluntly. We thought of one man to talk to about this. And so he is here with us tonight. Clint watts is a lot of things. He's a graduate of West Point is an army veteran. He's a former FBI special agent former member of the joint terrorism task force as well as an MSNBC national security analyst his past research has been focused on Russian influence operations. And he wrote the book on the subject called messing with the enemy having established. All that welcome other than a great indie band in the late ninety s in New York. What is INTERPOL? Do. They have police cars badges and guns. What's the organization? The INTERPOL of movies is not the inner pole of reality. It's really an association of all law enforcement that comes together to essentially help in terms of information sharing intelligence sharing primarily and in terms of different notices, the most common that we hear about is a red notice which. Is the closest thing to an arrest warrant, which is essentially to put a detention hold on somebody that may be one for a crime in another country. The big thing about INTERPOL is it helps you share information amongst law enforcement to go after international criminals. So this is the worst of the worst, ideally arms. Traffickers hackers is a big thing right now. Organized crime. This is how you go after these things, and it's this sharing through these relationships, which helps countries build a case or an investigative case. Trust is the backbone of this system. And so if you don't have trust that the best intentions of the participants are actually be met there than there is no reason to share information this will quickly sort of dissolve under his self. Russia has been an abuser of this. Bill Browder is the famous person is book read notices about how this system can be abused. How the Kremlin can use this to go after their opponents around the world. And so how can you have someone from this country essentially lead this symbolically, it's really more devastating than operate at the doer level. They'll still do information sharing intelligence sharing their protocols for how all this is done. But just the entire thought of having the head of this organization being someone that is maybe under the control or the influence of the Kremlin. It just doesn't make. So what practically could happen if this guy gets the job it just struck a bunch of us like wait a minute. There are supposed to be white, hats and black cats. They're supposed to be the reason INTERPOL exists for good good guys around the country around the world to come together. I think what you would see potentially as countries leaving the association in the more and pulling their data with them the pulling their data or not wanting to share any additional data. The other part of it is funding. It's about eighty percent funded by western democracies? The whole idea was western democracies much, like the UN prop this association up. So that all these participants some of the weaker countries in terms of law enforcement will join in and they can help filter out this law enforcement information and bring around Justice around the world if that if those countries don't want to participate in share, then they're not going to want to fund. This is the same dilemma we're having with the United Nations, right and global institutions, which is if there's not trust in the system, it will eventually decay. If it can't be effective, then it won't be funded. But haven't you watched this? With Putin wasn't Putin's goal. Tear NATO apart have the NATO allies tear themselves apart from the inside. Like, you're watching us and the UK isn't this like part of ballgame for Putin? Yes. This is the destruction of liberal democracies in all their unions around the world INTERPOL is one small portion of that. But if you look whether it's NATO the European Union, the United Nations INTERPOL all of these unions, if they can be dissolved discredited or weaken is institutions is really what we're looking at in the post Trump world, we saw with the kashogi murder, and what President Trump today with his statements there we've seen this consistently. In terms of other social is the breakdown of trust are five eyes partners as we would say an intelligence sharing. We've seen intelligence get floated out there that probably didn't need to be shared. This is really what I call oligarchy led governance around the world, which is about strongmen who's rich who's powerful who is broken these instant. Titians and who can maneuver around him. I think that's really what we're looking at for the world order going forward. And I'm not sure Americans entirely understand that much of the comforts. We've enjoyed around the world both in terms of capitalism and security is come from the unions when they start to fall apart the way we've traveled around the world the way we've operated the way you go about doing your business or going on vacation may change in a very drastic way over the next five to ten years with these unions. My goodness. Well, thank you for that. You're the scariest man we asked to come on this broadcast. But we do it for an important reason. Really? Appreciate it a Clint watts our guest it's all in his book coming up for us. Would you believe we are still counting votes and calling races from the midterm elections? That can only mean one thing Steve Kornacki big board after this. On his way tomorrow Lago today. President Trump took a moment to celebrate some of the GOP's bright spots from the mid there. Mostly in the Senate, but two weeks after this midterm election day, the Blue Wave that swept the Democrats into the majority in the house has continued to grow. It's enough to warrant you guessed at another appearance by our national political. Correspondent Steve Kornacki at the big board where we're still calling racist. Steve as right Brian election day became election week and now election month, and it's almost over. And it's so close to being over that we can now really start to put in perspective. Exactly what happened here. Look on the house side. The bottom line is the blue here. Those are all seats that Democrats have flipped the red. There worth three democratic seats that Republicans managed to flip. So far what that means. Is you add these all together the net gain for Democrats on the house side sits at thirty eight seats remember on election night. We came up here. Are we said, hey, if the Democrats can break Twenty-three, they get back the house at the end of election night. We were saying, hey, it looks like it's going to be high twenties low thirties, they'll get the house. There was some debate than about does that constitute a wave now you can see a little bit further along with a lot of the vote. Now more counted, it's thirty eight and let me show you what could still happen with what is left to come thirty eight take a look at this race in Utah. You know, the name Mia love that race has not yet been called by NBC news. But it is on the cusp of it. I would say you've got Ben mcadams, the democrat, you can see leading by almost seven hundred votes here too important things to note about this number one that margin that mcadams the democrat has over loved the Republican right now that is a little bit higher than the threshold than the cutoff that would trigger a recount he is above that right now, it's so much. So that the Associated Press just a few hours ago cold this race for Ben MC, the Democrats. So certainly the possibility here that will do the same thing and. That this would then officially become another democratic pickup that would give them thirty nine. What else is left on our board? One other race you see that's uncalled here. This is the seventh district of Georgia right outside of Atlanta. Republican incumbent rob Woodall leading this by a little over four hundred votes. Four hundred nineteen votes going into a recount here. Obviously unlikely the democrat would overtake him in the recount, you never know. But if she fails that would leave Democrats, you'd say, okay that would leave them with thirty nine. Let me show you one other piece of drama here. It is this. It's a race. We already called and it's a race that we might be looking at again right here. It's the twenty first district of California, David validation, Republican incumbent look at the lead in what it has shrunk to hear inside of a thousand votes right now. There are still votes coming in almost every night. We're getting some is the central valley of California take a look we still have votes coming in from Fresno county. We still have votes coming in from Kern county. Big TJ, Cox county the. Posssibility exists that when all the votes are tallied in California. Democrats could actually get another pickup there in might end up staring at forty seats a net gain of forty seats is still possible for Democrats. And by the way, in California, we said at the start there were seven districts Republicans controlled coming into this election that had voted for Hillary Clinton. If that twenty first district ends up going Democrats will have gone seven four seven in those California districts, and they would control as you could see you almost the entire Pacific coast you'd have blue right there with one little exception in Washington state. So the prospect of a forty seat net gain for Democrats not out of the question. Steve what did we learn about? How many Americans came out the raw vote during the midterms where there was no president on the ballot? Check this out. Compare the 2018 mid-term over a hundred ten million votes counted so far and again as we say still being counted, this number is still going to rise. It's over one hundred ten million last midterm election. In two twenty fourteen under eighty million twenty ten the big tea party revolution. Eighty seven million one hundred ten million you're getting closer one hundred thirty six million voted in the presidential election. And again that hundred ten millions going to go up we're getting closer to the realm of a presidential election in terms of the type of now, we saw bigger those numbers go the better it is for our country. I'm convinced eve Kornacki, always such a treat to have you. Thank you so much for being on the story coming up for us a thought for those who will not be able to spend thanksgiving with their families this year because they're serving the greater good. Last thing before we go tonight at countless thanksgiving, dinner tables and gatherings two nights from now. Millions of Americans will pause for thought or a prayer or perhaps raise a glass to give thanks for our military, and especially to remember all of our men and women in uniform, deployed all over this world. They would no doubt love to be home with their own families. But again, they are deployed and when a family member serves in the military, the whole family serves as well. Military life is a team effort we've been at war now for seventeen years, and while you wouldn't always know that from civilian life in America, the tempo of these deployments, certainly has reflected it right now, we have about six thousand active duty military at our southern border, including elements of the eighty second airborne. This was the president's response to that migrant caravan during the midterm campaign. The Pentagon even gave it a name. Same operation faithful patriot. But fast forward to now the names been dropped all the troops are starting to come home from the border. They will likely all be out of there by Christmas, but thousands will still be there for thanksgiving. And the president was asked today if he had a thanksgiving message for the troops. Oh, you don't worry about the thanksgiving these tough people. They know what they're doing. They're great. And they've done a great job. You so worried about the thanksgiving holiday for them. They are so proud to be representing our country on the border. So in the absence, then of a thanksgiving message to the troops won't you? Please keep the men and women in uniform and all of their families in your thoughts and at your table this thanksgiving and always that is our broadcast for this Tuesday evening. Thank you. So very much for being here with us. Good night from NBC news headquarters here in New York. The fact of the matter was he was this is a story that is not well now, let stuck in my mind about it was this was in the White House, but it really should be especially maybe now. Oh my God. Rachel, Maddow, and MFN BC present bag, man. Search bag man to subscribe now.

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