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LoveSeen founder Jenna Lyons: "It's incredibly important to stand in who you are"
"Were thanks for tuning into the glossy beauty podcast. I'm your host pre arou- executive editor glossy and today's guest. Is jean alliance. The founder of love seeing welcome. Jenna thank you for having me hyper you hi jenna. It's so good to see you again. Jeddah i think our listeners. Probably don't need an introduction to who you are because you know your your career at j. crew and so what you've done in the last twenty years in fashion but for those out there who need a little motivation today. Tell us a little bit about how you got started in fashion and beauty and lifestyle. Oh sure i mean. I think it was kind of by accident. I was super tall. When i was little and at in seventh grade was six feet tall and that was hard especially with the boys and nothing that me there was no j brand jeans back then there was no nobody making tall close for young girls didn't exist and so i was constantly buying like really big close and i thought that was like the size fourteen because those are the pants. Were long enough for me. I just didn't even understand took a homework class. And i made myself a skirt and the teacher showed me how to measure myself. And i made a bias full length watermelon skirt and i walked into school. And darlene patterson who was like the most popular girl in class who sat next to me and social studies. Looked over at me inside. Where did you get that skirts. So cute and i was like it was the first time anyone had given me positive feedback about the way i looked and i had a genetic disorder so i had my teeth clinic dealer. Had bald spots in my head scarves. I would love stuff going on. That did not make me feel good about my visual presence to have someone give me positive feedback about the way i looked so altering and really think really emotionally like powerful and so i also had made that thing which was sort of the combination of two things really no. I enjoy the process. And i felt really proud at the end. So yeah a kind of. I got a subscription to vogue that christmas and my grandmother amy sewing machine and like i was hooked so jet. You also went to fashion school before starting at j. crew. What was that lake. I did i had. I had gone to parsons. This was before project runway before anyone knew about parsons my art teacher in seventh grade. Also this is webster had shown me a book about antonio lopez called antonio's girls and i was like obsessed with you know i'd never seen women that were that looked different like the the way that he portrayed women. He was in love. With like grace jones and tina chow and jerry hall and all i had ever seen of ideal beauty was blonde haired big boobs ten because i grew up in california and i sort of understood one idea of beauty and all the sudden i was like wow there is a world of beauty out there and the way that they wore clothes and just the images of them and how bold and it was just so exciting to me. And so yeah. I went to parsons and that was my puppy and it was an amazing experience. I've met donna. Karen and calvin klein and oscar And his it's interesting that you say like how you didn't see yourself visually in popular culture and fashion and then you landed at one of these. Very all american retailers like jay. Kurt which is a known back. Then i think like four. Maybe not the big boobs but You know very preppy wand proposition. So i'm wondering you know when you were thinking about taking that job and then obviously growing in that job to where you were at the end of it How did you decide to kind of like funk it up a little bit. And i think you know one of the things that i loved about new york was that there were so many different types of beauty here. I remember the very first time. I was walking down the street in new york and a man whistled at me and i just didn't get that kind of attention in california and what. I realized that the there are just other ideals out. There are people like different kinds of things and i became really attached this idea of like pushing the boundaries of what people's ideals were and it got. I was excited about being able to do that. I didn't get to do that until i was you know had been in the company for fifteen twenty years because i was obviously just an assistant. The first day. I walked in the door but i also had this deep desire to fit in as well and those two things were set in real opposition. I wanted to fit in. I wanted to look like all the girls in my high school. But i didn't. And then. When i got here i'd spend so much time trying to fit in that i had sort of lost and didn't really know who i was or what i thought was beautiful so i had to do a lot of exploration while sitting in this very preppy. Pretty waspy environment. It was really it was hired. It was weird challenge. It took me years to kind of be able to balance my own perspective in aesthetic. And what i thought we could share with the world versus what i knew the company where the roots were and and what was the right thing. I mean we. You know we didn't have a lot of representation of in general not just a different ethnicities but we didn't have a lot of representation terms of age writing. We didn't have a lot and size and that took a really long time to to kind of put in everyone's mind. And i think it was thrilled to be able to have an opportunity to do some of that into stretch the boundaries a little bit but and so one of the things that you said restraint now is like how transformative fashion you know when you're at school with antonio lopez even entertainment j. crew. I would argue now. That's what we're seeing so much. Imbued you know this conversation of inclusivity and diversity. And i mean it is the blau. This thing we're hearing in beauty today. Was that what kind of may be attracted you to become a founder in the swirl. I think it's so layered. I think a couple of things one is. I knew that you know having felt not seen when i was young and feeling left out of a lot of things are just not feeling beautiful. I realized how powerful it is to feel attractive. It's really it's it is transformative it's like can really make you. It can make you happy. Like just simply happy. And i wanted to do something where i knew that i could share my view and make everyone feel included in seen and so when we were originally starting the brand that was important to like we hired at the very beginning. We heard twenty one. Different women and men Seeing men in the beauty space this whole incredible these days. I love that that's changed. I came to new york. And i was the first time i met a gay person. I didn't know anyone who's gay and mike. I saw boys make a public. That's kind of amazing. You know not. Just like robert smith from the cure or bowie but like just regular guys on a regular day wearing makeup. I was like okay. This is amazing. And so i think being able to really share that and having to be able to do that myself and like on my own terms was so exciting. The reason i started it wasn't necessarily about diversity was really about my own lack of eyelashes I was thrilled to be able to do something that felt really inclusive. And it's been it's been really remarkable. Not just in terms of the way that we were able to show the brand but in some of the marketing and this is gonna sound surprising but we just had an email conversation yesterday and looking back at some the emails that we'd sent out and we sent out one that was literally just like people we admire people that are things that are interesting and serve. Its women's we were doing this stories about different. Women ended the number of people who wrote in and purchased from that and also said like take my inclusive money like literally the words if people said and house like dusk kind of amazing that the email was not about purchasing a product. It was literally just telling a story about women that i admire. And why meyer them. And how women who came before our influencing younger women now today and people like but more on that than the one the email that we send out about bestsellers amazing Jeddah you mentioned the top of the conversation you know you had genetic disorder growing up and you know that informed the way that you thought about yourself and being beautiful but it also informed this line you know. Eyelashes are a very specific segment of the beer category. And you know. I think we talked about this last time before it was all about going and get your eyelashes done out of the house. Spending two hundred dollars and looking. Maybe a little tarantula like this is all about maybe bringing that idea to the home. So can you kind of explain that sure. I mean i think anyone who has something that they feel deficient in. I'm sure that's the thing that you notice and everyone else. If you don't have great hair you notice the girl with the beautiful on hair. And i think not having eyelashes. I was super attuned to other people's eyelashes. So i noticed all the women in my office coming in with as you said eyelash extensions that literally would arrive in the room before they come from and you know on on the same token i was doing research for a beauty company just separately and i noticed i was watching like all these who beauty videos where she was putting on like seven layers of concealed island shadow and highlight. I was like how many products could put on their face. But i loved it and at the end they will put on an eyelash. I thought it was really interesting that to really opposite ends of the beauty spectrum these these girls take for no other makeup and then you had like who to be. Candidates were like full makeup. And there's nothing in between. I couldn't find anything that sort of sat in the middle and so that was. What really got me excited as i. I don't have any eyelashes though. I can't wear those really crazy ones. And i don't have any eyelashes to attach eyelash extensions. So maybe i should make some that. I can wear and in doing that and starting to talk to people in research. I realized that there really wasn't anyone doing that. And so that's been kind of. Did you expect to kind of come back in the second life or maybe third life who knows how many lives we have but as a beauty founder. Everybody probably expected you to do something in fashion or launcher online. Like why were you so passionate about this doing it this way. I mean. I think. I think i had an incredible run and an honestly. I thought i would do fashion to. I'd never anticipated this really honestly happening. Because i've said this before and people don't really believe it but like i thought i would get calls. I thought people would say hey we come in. You know design this land and didn't happen and i think the industry is changing. I mean i think i think starting an eyelash company had really nothing to do with other than the fact. I didn't have a job. And i wasn't getting phone calls. I thought to put call just didn't happen. And so i found myself like sitting on my couch daydreaming and and i was asked to to take a look at something that somebody was working on for a beauty company and when i did that i started to do research and say okay. Well what's the landscape. Because i don't know it. And that was sort of how i stumbled upon all of these videos and sort of connecting dots on my head and i was like well. Maybe i could do that. And then i met somebody who i was going to be working on a business plan for another project for the television show and i told him about this idea and he was like that's cool and he's like why don't we do that. I was like wait really. And he gives a cow and so we would have business plan. And i know it sounds crazy like it all just kind of happened. I think sometimes when things are meant to be they are. I don't want to say easy because it hasn't been easy but it just kind of happened. I everything happen. Naturally i was so incredible and still can't believe geno that surprised me. Besides the beauty piece of it is that you know rather than say maybe launching with a specific retailer. Or you know going into barney's of barneys was still around you know this is an elevated product or a sephora You guys you decided to do. The cdc and i rub in our last conversation. You reminded me that. J. crew was once really its own ecosystem and it didn't soil anywhere else so i'm wondering about kind of the lessons there that you had anything. I think the one thing that you can really identify with if you look at what's happened with the landscape of brands of brand is king. No is about brand interesting. Because i have a friend who works in the industry and they were talking about how brilliant the messaging into the marketing around the kardashians businesses are like skims. And and i've and i've talked to my friend who who has some hand and they developed the brand identity before they even developed the product. They really decide. Who is this person. What do we want to say. What do we want the brand to look and feel like and then let's go execute on the product. Make sure that it fills. And i think that's a really interesting concept that's really a reversal i grew up with. But it really has become something that is so tantamount and it's very hard to control your message or talk to your consumer through someone else. You know when you think about how you message like an email i if i'm sending an email through a sephora or i have no control over the messaging no control of your experience with customer service. We have are launching. A new brand is so much of that is learning and testing and learning. So for instance you know. Some people are struggle with putting them on and literally they will you know reach out to molly who is our customer service person. Mali will call me and say this person's really having a hard time and i'll make a little video or do a facetime chat with them and they're like so blown away and then like i can't believe you spent time to do this and they become a fan and then they are a disciple and that's great and you can't do that when you are selling through a larger company. It's incredibly important. I think especially at the outset when you you're starting from nothing to really stand in who you are and tell people who you are and then and also figure it out yourself. I think really having an attention and being able to connect their customers directly so tantamount to being successful because it really gives you real time direct feedback about what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong. Would you say that you knew who the customer is going to be before you launched. It's funny. I had an idea and i had a dream and i had this concept and i didn't i got really nervous especially towards the end somebody like literally a sprinkle of doubt into my head about something so we originally came out and said okay. We wanna do lashes that feel very natural and that was the goal and at the end. Someone's like wait a minute. So you're not going to appeal to the girl. Who wants something a little bit more volume and i was like. Oh god you're right. And i got scared like i literally like we were just about to launch the added to new styles. In at the very end we were just about to launch. I had a panic of like. Maybe this is terrible. And ironically that is the number one request everyone calls up and says the number one most natural ash and the thing that. I'm still completely amazed by is i went on the wendy williams show which was so incredibly fun and i you know. She wears very big makeup. Lots of lashes and pretty volume. And i thought that customer is going to want something a little bit more volume intense. Just figuring her her. You know the people that really love her are going to probably identify with her and want. That was complete opposite exactly same thing. The day that we i went on the show. All of our most natural lashes with the ones that everyone was texting e-mailing and which ones that are most natural which i was really shocked so that was the goal. So it's yeah it's working and we got picked up by google which are most natural lash which is kind of interesting. I think it was. That was the that was the goal. I can't believe it. Actually what you told me. Last time we spoke that ninety percent of the customers that are coming to love seeing our new to wearing lashes completely correct. Yes which i never would have expected that many people to try something new particularly you know when no one's going anywhere and thrilled. It's incredible again. I was super surprised. I think again the the most important thing is like okay. Well do they come back. And how's that bid so well. I mean we are six months old so we definitely have repeat customers. And that's been thrilling. But i think it'll be really interesting to see wants. The world opens up and people start going out more and you know people are having in person events and weddings and dates and all of those things right now. It's been a very strange time to launch a a an idea or concept that connects to wanting to they do help you on a zoom call for sure but i think it's it'll be interesting to see as we grow how many customers get and we do get people who have worn them before but we are getting a lot more that are total newbies. Which is kind of amazing when you think about the content strategy you know what are the things that i really besides the in-home mailer that i got kind of had the your trajectory along with like twinkies trajectory and lashes all about them but besides that i really have loved the quiz capability on the site and you seeing all of these different women of ages of different ages of different races and ethnic studies. And you know that coming through. So how are you thinking about content. Because i know that genus picks was a huge thing at j. crew. You told me that it was one of those things that you didn't think it was going to get as big as dead. So what was your idea of contact. Because i think that when people still talk about ecommerce content the holy grail was like j. crew in two thousand twelve. People are still trying to do that now. The great keep trying. I mean i think one of the. There's a couple of things that i learned that our our golden rules that i've carried enter trying to utilize one is people through bullshit. People are smart. They want honesty. They don't want you to like they don't want you to tell them something. That is not true and they also don't want you to sell to them all the time like don't just be a pusher because honestly i think they just are over it and i think and that was i think so interesting was we. We're selling with shakra. We had eight million products to sell so we had a new thing to talk about every day but with lashes. We don't we are selling the same product so we had to really think about. Okay well what is our content strategy look like under those auspices because we don't want bombard people with like here's another email about a lash so we really sat down on the team and the team up some great ideas around like. How do we talk about like what's happening in the world. Let's talk about you. Know we you know we sent an email about you know standing behind. Api and really what's happening in that. That email drove sales. People responded to that because they felt scene and they like thank you for acknowledging and reminding me that like brands actually have can have a voice. And i think that has been another important thing of standing up for you believe in in really and really being generous and thinking about it. We've also done emails where we're talking about other brands and people who are selling things that we admire that we're think are doing illegal and that's heads should nice effect because those other brands are actually supporting us. I think we did a lot of j. crew as well and it really creates this community as opposed to just feeling like you're out there just trying to sell stuff like there is a bigger concept here. There is a bigger motivation to create a world of people who like who feel about in who feel connected to the brand and that makes a world of difference in beauty. The founder story seems to be so important. These days founders across the border on instagram on on lives livestreaming doing the whole shtick. And i i know that you were very involved in the business. But i mean this isn't like quote unquote the gen alliance brand. I feel like when you look at love scene very much on your social and all of your on your website assets. It's not you all over the place. What was that about. I mean i think that was obviously intentional. I mean i think. I think you know i definitely around and i'm there and i do participate but i also wanted the brand to have a life of its own and i also went through a really hard time when i left j. crew. I was deeply connected to the brand and that was really painful. And i'm not suggesting that i'm going to leave. Loves him. But i realized that i wanted the brand to have its own identity and have an also i you know. J. crew was about style about clothing. And this is about beauty and i didn't want people to connect me like i didn't want you look really different than me. I wanted you to come into the brand and see people who look like you and in order to do that. It couldn't be about me. I didn't you know. I'm a fifty two year old white woman. I if you'd like somebody who's you know looks totally different. And his younger than me may not identify with me. And so i didn't want to put myself overly attached if your business standpoint yes of course but i think from a branding. I wanted it to feel like everyone for everyone. Not just me you know what about when it came to the investment piece of it and obviously talking to retailers. Because i'm sure you know everyone's very excited to meet you and talk to you and think about that. But i imagine you've been really reticent kind of obviously to go into big retail except for goop and that's an online site and then also on the investment piece i it's not like love scene is talking about this round. They raise in that round. They raised in all of that kind of thing. Which is you know today as much a part of marketing of new brand as sending an email newsletter. So interesting you say that and i think you're probably right. I think it might be just because of the trajectory and the way that it happened. We didn't go through rounds. We have one investor who and i have a partner who is connected to that investment firm and you know we had a pretty fluid process of getting to the starting gate you know i. I think it's very true. I think this whole obviously heard lobby the news about beauty counter recently. In congratulations to that team dino. It's it hasn't been something that i it hasn't been something that i've had to do. It hasn't really been a topic of conversation. Honestly so something i wouldn't talk about it. I just i just haven't been asked honestly and because we weren't public about it like it hasn't come up but i'd had a really straightforward process in that regard and feel really lucky around that because i can be very hard. I didn't think about it as a marketing opportunity. Maybe i should have no. I mean i feel like. I get pitches all the time that someone raised a series a. or series b. or c. c. at just more and more press and so i just always wonder when it comes to a founder. What they think about that. Or if that's part of the strategy i mean. Listen i haven't had. I haven't gone there yet and i think knowing that you're saying that maybe i do. I will consider it. I think i do really like the idea of want the company to grow. I want the company to be able to do other things. I want to be able to have the team build a team and continue to nurture an the whole ecosystem of but like there's a million different ways that can happen. It might be through investment. It might be through selling to you know a bigger box. I just wanted to make sure that as we started we had our own identity that we could control and that was sort of a launching pad but who knows. We're so on that now. Janet tell me a little bit about goop because they know think we both really appreciate that curation that lifestyle point of view. Why were they right to sell. I think for a couple of reasons. One is i think he obviously. There's one of the things we talked about is that people can see through bullshit they want and they want someone to tell them. I think that's why you know the thing sort of it in that same category like someone sifting through all of the information and saying. Here's what i recommend. And i think she's done incredible job of really parsing through all of the noise ton of products out there and and she's got real authority there because she's really done a great job of selecting things that people have done that i would like the product now. I'm going to go back and buy i think on top of that. I think she really personifies beauty. She doesn't wear a ton of makeup and the idea that she might support a fake eyelash than you probably are going to feel comfortable that it's going to look good and it's not going to be a transplant. And i think that that sort of curation authority and being and being told him being entrust is really so important particularly today where there's just so much to sift through. I mean i literally like can't i mean i can't find anything i want anytime i'll do you know that i spent like literally like four hours on i. It's over the weekend just going through. I was on page eighty five chairs and like how our there so many tears. I think having someone tell you that this is okay and that they believe in it is super powerful. We've had great run already. It's been so exciting and successful swimming thrilled. How do you feel about big box retail. Today you know whether it makes sense for like say a sephora and ulta or anywhere else in the future yeah i. I used to have a really. It's really different. Beauty is very different than say clothing. You know i think beauty has an opportunity you can really you can make your mark and you can stand on your own. You are really having a singular experience. No one has to with clothing you. I mean listen when you get to. There's so many ways that can get messed up and it's really sad because you know the clothing is an expression so you build a collection but if you're going to sell it to barney's bargains may only by a tiny little rock so then your your collection isn't really getting shown and so that is a really tricky thing when you make clothing because you want someone to experience your world do you want to be able to show them how you saw pieces together and so i think the beauty you this opportunity you can show your whole world. You can show your image what you're looking for. You can have all the products. They're the entire line can be expressed. So there's it's not the same i think. Sort of derivative in clothing. That i it is for beauty beauty. I think is more of a standalone experience. So i'm not opposed to it. I mean i think you know. Like i said i wanted to start and manage the brand from a very specific point of you son. Short that happens wouldn't be upset. Geno what about other products. I mean i know that the last tools been like kind of the thing that sold out repeatedly. I can't believe i'm so excited. Yeah and that's obviously teaching someone to use something that's totally new something that's not in their repertoire at all so i'm wondering like are you thinking about extending whether it's more tools or eyeliner mascara i mean who knows. What are you thinking about. And i think i've this has been a big question. And i think you know the first six months have been like testing and learning getting have sold out the twelve surprisingly and that's been really exciting of now. Peter interest in terms of like. Okay what should our next step. We've been getting questions from customers about like wilkin. You make glue liner. That comes out with the well exists on the market. And should we do our own. There's a lot of things. I think we could can probably will do in the future. I think my previous life has taught me that like complexity is just that it is complex and keeping your business as simple as possible particularly in the beginning when you're growing is really helpful and also the standing for something. It's much easier for me to talk more clearly in focused about lashes when you start adding all those other things than the messaging gets more more diluted. I think for right now i think we want to really do a really good job and get the message out and get known for something and then as that becomes more articulated we can maybe think about adding stuff that no you know. Obviously i follow you on instagram. Follow the brand instagram. And it's very well curated insp beautiful but i'm wondering lashes on tiktok are really having a moment among enzi and enormous to be that is like you know jesse is taking on a whole life of its own when it comes to beauty and fashion and what they expect what they want so just wondering what you think about that age demographic and if they are buying they an interesting enough with the the one of the most common things we keep hearing are on buying these for me and my daughter and i thought that was really interesting. Because they're not you know it's like going to get a manicure with your mom. That's sort of one of the first things you do as a beauty experience as a kid. Your mom takes you to get a pedicure and i think it's interesting to hear that they are definitely buying them we we also get a lot of user generated content so we see the pictures of people sending us images of an. It's i mean we have people who are thirteen have people who are eighteen on. It's it's ironic. They're really engaged and they're so funny You know. I think. I haven't done any talks. And we haven't as a brandon expert. From everything i understand about tiktok and we've talked about it quite a bit. You have to really be on it all the time. We don't really have bandwith to do that right now. But i would love to. I always remember when instagram came out. And everyone's like oh it's a phase it's a fad and have no idea it'll be interesting to see what happens with tiktok geno with instagram specifically. You know i remember. We talked last time. It's not like you guys have gone. You know gone. The gamut in terms of performance marketing. Right when you think about all these like social media channels. It's not a bunch of paid activation or paid ads. So you know. That's kind of the lever. That brands really pull these last couple of years. So what are you thinking about that. I mean we're doing an various small way right now. I'm doing it to what we're calling a test and learn face trying different things seeing what works seeing what checks then using that inform what our next decision is so right. Now we're just sort of. We have our toes dipped in the water. We haven't gone full fokker but we will. Obviously we talked about this last time too. But you know you had a million different people working for you at j. crew. What's it been like just the basics of being a startup founder. Like how many people are on your team. Yes i just had a conversation about this the other night i last night. I literally fought with the printer for like four hours like it was printing on a black and white. For some reason. I had to reload the paper ten times when i don't know how to change it from black and white to color just will not change. I had to get my kid to come and help me. And he couldn't figure it's it's hard it's at the same time you know. I also have kind of love being really close to the product and the process. The team is probably. I think we're like nine people and we are everyone. Every single person in the team is doing multiple jobs. There's no one person whose job is like solely ex. We are absolutely cross pollinating and russell making our own contents. I mean we literally. We had a little photo. Shoot thing that we were doing the day and we were using an iphone and putting lashes on products and playing around and like for making your own content because is what we have to do right now and we don't want to spend a lot of money and also it's covance so we're trying to keep it really lo fi and it's just a totally different world. It's it's hard but it's also really refreshing. And i'm learning. I you know at the end. Of my tenure. I don't know if i was really like learning anymore. You know. I was doing the same things i was making the same decisions i was. You know having the same conversations with new people and reorienting them to all the things that i've known for years and years and years and i was like i didn't feel like i was moving forward and that doesn't it's not as motivating and i think i got a little bit burnt out. And so this is like it's every day is new every damn learning. Every day i feel excited and like at the end of the dam. Have to ask anybody is cool. Yeah i like okay great. That's that part is great. Do you feel confident and those decisions. Because i imagine i mean sometimes but now i mean i think i would. I did learn in my life is it's better to just. There's being paralyzed is actually. It's not good for the team. It's not an honestly like we're so we're still small no decision that we make currently is going to make or break anything. It's all about learning so like just try. Just go and do it and see what happens and you know if it works. Great if it doesn't no harm no foul like just try and think making decisions and just moving forward. Even you know. I had to do that at my previous because i had so many things that are coming my way and i got really used to being okay with making tons of decisions today in knowing that probably out of fifty decisions i mean three of them are gonna suck. That's okay and giving yourself licensed to be like. Hey i don't have to be perfect. Can i can make fifty decisions in a day and you know granted. Obviously a jake had to be very careful of which ones are the sector. Which money was buying. But i think that's. That's the power of having that experience and being able to utilize that a move. That i wouldn't say i'm confident to believe that my decisions are all right. But i'm confident that moving forward and going and just being open to. That is the right decision. I think we've got a gentleman. I can't really top ask another question to ask. Thank you so much for being here. 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Tim Blanks and Imran Amed on the Life and Work of Karl Lagerfeld | Inside Fashion
"Uh-huh. Was nobody also that breadth of culture with that sense of a life lived on every level cocoa and Carl. I mean, you could not write this to be a more perfect fashion story the way those two people changed everything and the industry DeVille division via succession plan. It strikes me as kind of like the Sarah Burton Alexander McQueen succession plan. There's no way you could possibly replace them. And I think they're savvy enough not to even try with Virginie incharge Chanel goes on. How do you think the industry will pay tribute to him almost stately because he is the emperor? And we will never see that kinda game. Hi, this is Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the business of fashion today. We have a very special episode of the podcast as you may have heard car Lagerfeld's, the icon IQ and legendary fashion designer. Died in Paris at the age of eighty five and who better to talk to about the life and work of Karl Lagerfeld than Tim planks who as I understand his interviewed Karl Lagerfeld more than two hundred fifty times on this special episode of the podcast. I talked to him about all of the contributions that call has made to fashion during his life, and what Chanel and Fendi and fashion will be like without call. So here's a special episode of the podcast on the life and work of Karl Lagerfeld. Well, Hello, Tim. This is a special edition of the podcast. Neither you nor. I were planning to be sitting here today having this conversation. But we I guess we all knew that one day this day would come, and, you know, Karl Lagerfeld has died, and I just wondered, you know, you've known are you new call for thirty at least thirty at least thirty isn't a professional capacity. But nevertheless of that stretch of time we sat down and talked. I worked out at least two hundred and fifty times mazing, and that's. A lot of talk and. Insight. It just it's inevitable that you acquire some sense of an individual when you when you spending that much time talking to them about everything because you could talk to call about everything you could you could talk about whatever the latest pop band was you could talk to him about anew book and movie, you could talk to them about an old movie, you could talk from about eighteenth century canapes. You could I mean, he I think he called himself a one man Google at one point. And and way before there was he said, he had a Google mind. Yeah. I mean, prodigious and. Enthusiastic and keen to communicate the enthusiasm. So until the very end to. I mean, the last time I mean, we were very lucky you, and I we got to sit down with him so often at the end of his shows after Chanel, and he would, you know, read be offered into this little private room that they create for him, and he'd spend those like ten or fifteen minutes with us just chatting and gossiping and. But when when did you first to remember the first time, you might call? I it would have been. I mean, just because I've been rising the piece of the peace of be oh f- about about his his passing and thinking about how log Phil ended my life. Well, if I really boil it down. I mean, it was he was so weirdly omnipresence in my seventies might not my obviously the seventies in my life. But the nineteen seventies. Because he was it. It was he was part of a world that was so gorgeous to look into from me outside. You know, it was the world that I guess culminated with fifty four but before that Antonio Lopez, and Tony does girls and people like Tina Chow, and and the wool hall crowd. And the way that everything society was just this mass this pulsing massive fabulous city that was that was so enticing for. Country bumpkin looking at it from the outside. So when I actually met him I had such a kind of incredible incredibly vivid impression of him. You know, he looked so hot in those helmet udon photos in that black one piece bathing suit on and the swimming lappy scene and Paris or lying and Brandon center bay, and he with the very very black beard, and the actually wasn't very very handsome. And he looked like he just look at the kind of person who who was capable of episode anything which was probably an acid in those times later on. I got the feeling that actually he probably didn't really do any of the things you imagine. It'd be doing. But he was very good at conveying the impression that he had done. It all all had done it and tied it. But when I first met him, obviously, I felt. He was kind of intimidating because he felt like somebody who'd been everywhere and done everything and everyone and was bringing this mass of knowledge to fashion that nobody else had. I mean, there was nobody else would that breads? There was nobody else that breadth of culture that that sense of of a life lived on every level. And to be able to bring that into into his work in fashion. I mean, my meetings fist meetings with him coincided with the beginnings of the supermodel thing. So that was the increase, and he was so instrumental in making those women into superstars Janika, Sochea Milan and held in Paris. And those shows were just so mazing I was like being in the middle of a Busby. Berkeley production, and there was such access and such openness. And and I mean, a funny thing just talking about this before, but he called me Canada because you know, it was doing fashion file for the CBC and Canada, and I guess. He didn't bother individualizing designers. Journalists faceless massive I've listened to everybody else's questions and really loaded them completely moronic. But he would have this massive people streaming through, you know, saying that really your Hickel or analyst goofy stuff that people ask. And so he call me Canada for long time, which was okay, I guess, but we had like different. We had a report. I mean, I kind of magin that you're sitting in front where you sitting down with somebody hundreds and hundreds of times and not thinking at least I recognize this person he loved to Tim. He had always when we hired you. He pulled me aside one day. And he said you you hired the best one. Oh, that's sweet. You never told me that I know. And he. Curling? He really respected you, and he was he was. He he I think YouTube both shared this breath of culture, so any cultural reference that he made you it'd be one of those rare people that understood it that the funny thing when you know, there was one time I wrote about this as well when I went to talk to him, and we were wearing exactly outset even that even the embroidery on the shirt collar was what was it? It was Matsuda from Japan, and it was fabulous clothing Fatman. And so this was in the days when he was a larger he was he was he was chunky. And and I was chunky when he lost weight. He poked me in the stomach and just look at me. And and say if I can do it you can't and low I did for one brief shining moment. But. Interesting. The report that you could have with him because I think that was that was a surprise to me, I suppose that. Because he was such a figurehead, but he was also. He could also I wouldn't say sweet. But he he was definitely a one on one kind of guy. I think I found it was charming. And I think you know, he had he's one of those individuals in the fashion industry can create these like people with these larger than life personas that seem very intimidating and. Inaccessible, but when you interact with him up close in kind of more intimate situation. He, you know, he was he was sweet, and he would tell jokes, and he would he would laugh, and he'd whisper things and tear year, and he giggle, and he was just he was a love list of things into your ear. I don't think he have. We would finish our interviews. He'd always. Won't tell you what he said to me once about you. I told you the nice thing he said, he's attempts. Can't wait to tell him. No, you wasn't lying. Yeah. He was. He was just he was he was really fun. He was a bit miss. You know, what it was? He was mischievous. He had this like he linked to poke a little bit of. Yeah. Yeah. And then sometimes it wasn't a ways, you know? I mean, he'd say things way you felt you needed to kind of protect him in a way from himself. Yeah. Yeah. Especially more and more as time went on. But you know. I one thing that impressed me considering what he'd lived through on considering how successfully being from so early. I mean from basically is late teenage onwards, he was successful. And he'd experienced all the the highs and lows of the fashion history of the is the shift from a ready-to-wear and then this democratizing of luxury luxury which he was enormously response. I mean, he I think people people know that he was the one who created the template for the international global luxury brand. But he was also the first designer to a collaboration with H announ, and he kind of. Made it okay for everyone else to do it. So there was the luxury side of it. But he was always this kind of very populist kind of man of the he wanted to reach as many people as possible. So he would do everything. So while he sat at the luxury brand level. You know, he knew that it was about reaching masses and masses. You know that historical perspective he had where he would look at what had happened in society. Not just in the previous twenty as in the previous two hundred years, and he was so fascinated by shifts the shifts and sensibility that that well, created trends and dress or thinking food or whatever he was very. Aware in this peculiar kind of timeless wasn't really of the moments. We always used to say that that you never wanna be in fashion because that means you can be out of fashion. So he I would say that. He. Chatting away, like we're best friends, but. Was this observation that you could make with the intimate connection of longtime? He seemed to be very for longtime. He seemed to be very. Deliberately dismissive of. Human interactions. You know, he seemed to be to keep himself almost on libertine level. You know that that he could be very philosophical about things. Not particularly not particularly human. Then at the same time you'd see him with young. Well, that's what I was to say right there. I was just going to say that then then adult late, adult, onset, compassion, and. And empathy with Hudson chronic the little boy, the son of grad chronic model who was his mail news on. Called it a book about about. Brad, which was basically trying to position him as a new James Dean. I mean, he was incredibly dedicated to the people who are in his circle, and they were dedicated to him the loyal like a fat. But that was his family. Yeah. And and then it wasn't just Hudson. And, you know, not not so much the sunny never had the grandson never had the great grandson had maybe. But then shoe pit the cat. Yeah. Who he said he would marry if he could which is fascinating notion. You know, it's like Niro, married illegal married. His horse. Call would have married his cat. If he could have as if he'd been emperor of all he said what he was emperor of all these vade. That was kind of an intriguing he found sort of sentiment. And it was interesting because that made him so human we had been so such a conic concisely distant figure, and suddenly he was talking about Hudson shoe pet. Yeah. Like going home. It's interesting because I heard something very similar Bridgewater money that he would rather have dinner with his cats, then go out to some swanky fashioned thing. Now, I understand that completely. I love sitting down with Stella any night. Tim's dogs case. But you know. It's funny that these lions and winter finding that humanity which is basically what the lion in winter that play was all about. Yeah. So obviously, this has implications for Chanel and for Fendi let's start with you know, they've appointed. I think many people were expecting via. I mean, some people thought hideously he was going to take over, but basically longtime they basically quashed that rumor right away. But division via succession plan. It's logic. It strikes me as kind of like the Sarah Burton Alexander McQueen succession plan. He anointed her. Yeah. She's been on stage with him. So what do you think that what do you think that kind of means for Chanel going for, you know, it's a massive commitment to continuity? And then and then we sit in fashion bubbled, and we assume. The entire world knows who fell is. I mean, admittedly, this the news coverage today has been absolutely. I mean, I do think if there's a single figure in fashion fashion apart from Anna winter, probably car Lagerfeld is the only one that everyone knows, you know, we think this, and then we sit down and talk to people, but it's like the ope the opening segment on like global. It's it's going to be on the front pages of the newspaper. It's it's media company sent an alert out about Carl today on news. But I still say Shenagal is bigger than Carl Chanel is the umbrella store the umbrella that under which he lived and worked. Sure, and I think that. With Virginie incharge Chanel goes on as as as the thing that more people know than knowing what calls contribution my debate. It's like I said fashion is above and what's visually. Like, I I've she's exactly very good analogy when you mentioned, Sarah. Yeah. With McQueen she's that very quiet kind of backroom Beckham. Who you get the feeling made it all happen? Yeah. You know, he needed we've been with him, and you can see the translation he needed between his quick fire thinking and create a process and the reality of of of the delivery of the product, you know, between his thought and the actual deed. And she was the facilitator, but I think for such a long time that she becomes the what's the word is a word manual insist or something we you are the person who she's a medium translates the thoughts into reality. And I think that she's been doing that for so long that she's probably she's colada Lagerfeld. The. So what felt went when McLean was also known for these huge spectacles and shows and this like incredible imagination. Just like Carl did at Chanel. So do think. And now McQueen has their none of that spectacle is the energy the DNA the kind of codes of McQueen are still she's very faithful to them. Sarah burton. Do you think that we're likely to see no more big shows? Amazing McQueen shows. No, that'd be great. Have they haven't they've never done that the big production, and the they wove like fifteen thousand concerts. I mean, the spectacle is more condensed. Yeah. Human. Yeah. It's on a human scale. But do remember that profundity who's guy who's the head of image or stage, those things he's obviously still there? I mean, it's a well oiled machine and everybody knows what needs doing. I mean, it's going gonna be it's going to be this going to be a massive massive whole list, simply because he was such a galvanic personality, and you use to seeing him, you know, that how you just wonder how could you? There's no way you could possibly replace them. And I think. That this enough not to even try that to to emphasize the continuity that his presence will prevail with the team that made it possible to do what he did because you can't really think of any other individual who represented Chanel. Observe cloak apart from cocoa. So he said familiarly CoCo was part of their lives. Exactly. Yeah. Cocoa. And I mean, you you could not make you could not write this to be a more perfect story. I'm will perfect fashioned story. The way those two people changed everything in the industry they and to be such visually icon creatures. I mean, he made himself into a cartoon deliberately that was his that was his acknowledgement of. Seles of modern celebrity. He was just insanely perceptive. I mean, I always wondered I it was funny always city you said he dreamed everything and used the kind of spring out a bit and do a whole collection will be fully formed from one dream. And and you head always imagine. What that looked like did he have nightshirt onto the Diddy have a wee Willie Winky kind of candle jumping out of bed kind of just like one hundred looks a flash yet. He told me that to he in the middle of night. Always. Yeah. We'll ways he said he dreamed everything. And then he'd say next time he didn't dream anything. But keep us guessing. I heard the most interesting story inevitably. There was Matt on speculation about somebody like him because as public. He was nobody really knew too much about him. Maybe his driver. Yeah. I. I heard this is very interesting that because you know, when you have a sort of citizen Kane like figure like he is like was you look for the Rosebud, and obviously has won his life story is so extrordinary. I mean, his mother saying that his nose was so big he should hang curtains and his nostrils. I mean, thanks mom. It's a cell phone. But I heard that he had a room in his house where which reconstructed the bedroom. He slipped when he was a child, and I don't know if that's true. But in that sort of Rosebud way, it kind of makes incredible sense that his attachment to his childhood, which he would talk about every now and again in. In sometimes dispatching, but and other times other times, you could feel and trying to winkle at the truths of his of his childhood was quite fascinating. You know, this that sort of protean intelligence at protein creativity. One of where it comes from everybody does because wondering if you can create a template from it, obviously for the future. Everybody's going to be like the new call this. His log fell blah, blah, blah is amant hospital. It's impossible that isn't gonna happen. I mean, the culture that produced him just doesn't exist anymore. So everyone's been talking about Chanel today. But kind of lost in the mix is what his passing means for Fendi. I think he was a designer there for more than half a century. Yeah. If you can believe that. Yeah. What what do you think they're thinking Fendi today? I feel. To me it felt like he hadn't been well for quite a long time. I'm just. Observing him as you said when we would talk to him backstage it felt he did feel. He felt fragile to me for quite a while. And I would imagine contingencies at being in place. I think that Silvia Fendi is one of the most remarkable people in fashion and. I can't imagine that. That going to be left time dry anyway, Fendi fends animal. From chanel. And I think that. Again, she liked visionary. She was almost raised by call. Yeah. I mean from the time she he's been part of your life since she was a little girl. I mean, she's she's most them, and I would I actually in a funny way look forward to what's going to happen there for to sing what's going to happen. They're almost more than I mean Chanel. I know what's going to happen Fendi. I think they'll be a kind of excitement. Yeah. I mean, it will very likely. I mean, it's a a role that someone's occupied for the better part of fifty years. So it may open up another designer shuffle. I hope not in my, you know, unless they decide that Sylvia will do it on her own. Well, you know today already. There was deluge of commentary Phoebe for Chanel. Oh was their offline was it was like, I don't think that's happened apart from you wanna scream too soon. There wasn't too soon. They announced Ginny. Yeah. Yeah. Well, seems chanels very smart because they had that announcement ready, and they just quashes all the speculation which would have been I think really disrespectful to Carl. Yeah. It's interesting watching social media deal with something like this because how many things fashion could be this discombobulating for the industry. They really isn't very much. Yeah. It's kind of like the whole fashion world stopped the access shifts for the day, you know, and. Your Instagram and minds around feed. Probably look the same everyone sharing their memories. And it's kind of nice, you you realized how many people in the industry he had a relationship with just by the pictures. Everyone posted. He was really genuinely kind of the center of ashen, everyone, all the designers, all the executives all the models. Like everybody had a fondness and affection and relationship with him. He was one of the polls. I think there are other polls. But he's definitely one of the big. Do you think Karl Lagerfeld was misunderstood? No. Because I think he I think he was very expert at messaging expert -tations I. I think he let people know exactly what he wanted them to know about himself. I mean, like, I said there was a lot of people don't know. And that's why he kept thing. Yeah. I I don't see how he could have been. I mean, the interesting thing is because he was so deep like Mariana trench deep. And he in recent times had maintained that persona. But you know, if you think about the people who work the fashion industry brilliantly, well, like some Donatella Sachi, it's all about having this Mosk, and you can be anything behind that mosque. And nobody's ever going to know what you like. And I think he was he was he was a brilliant player in that respect. Why do you think? It requires having a mask to succeed to create that kind of you wanna live you wanna have life and. You know? It's it's whoa. Whole isn't that it's the holy in approach to life. I think it's interesting that cow played call in the annual movie LA Moore. Carl fashion design if you've ever seen that film. He's actually quite his beard is good. I think that. When you see people who didn't have a persona like someone like Lee McQueen, they didn't have protective. They didn't have shield and. I think I get the feeling that Columbia felt Kaga felt had life. Of the mind. I mean, I I didn't know what she slept. But I I do get the feeling of him as being somebody quite moncus in his intellectual pursuits. And the other thing the ponytail the sunglasses in the skinny and the shoe pet and everything was this fabulous diversion. As it is, you know, in a funny way with someone like Donatella that. She can be herself because she has this other thing that goes out into the world as Devi, and he he went out into the world kale. Yeah. And I just love to know how many people actually got to you know, backstage. It was always so interesting that be people. I mean, I know I know they will were, but these really little old people who came to say lose him who were from his past remember? Yeah. There will be ten wasn't journalist now. Oh god. It was maybe Christiane Arp from Germany Bono was like little trench pin. But they were all there were all these. I didn't know who they were. You know, it was a regular group of people. We had to wait to say. And they would have a chat with him. They will always says it's the same thing with Amani. He has his friends. Maybe those are the people who connected him to you know, why ginning? Yeah. Because he have known them from some. Oh, ever. Yeah. And that would you know, you wonder about? Yeah. Because he lives such a. Multi-layered life over sixty five years, maybe even more that's a lot of living. And it's interesting to think that he maintained relationships across that whole spectrum because for the longest time will you heard about him was how he would dump people in as the lover Sahlin. She was his news, whatever dumped her when she posed for the Mariane French national symbol. How how kind of dismissive he could be how people could be exiled from his life. And then you see this other side that that was probably useful to have that kind of illusion. Not maybe not losing. Maybe it was reality. But it might have been useful to have that around to. To keep the world at bay. Because really if you felt you would want to keep the world at bay. Why? But was you do not want that world. In life. You just don't you saw you see it with people who are you see it with people who that agree of celebrities that Vass te. You know to go out and be mobbed. I can't imagine that somebody who think he kind of liked that though. Well, yeah. But when when went step out of his car, and he'd be like can't walk down the street anymore, and he told me that a few times. And I think that's what helped him understand. He was still relevant. You know was that. That currency. He had with even young people who weren't there when he started, you know, he he'd reached a level of. This Ahrends went there when he starts. Yeah. I mean, it's just the grandparent, you know, he's and I guess at the same time. He he seemed very mysterious as this like totemic figure representing an industry that you know, so many people want to understand better. And here's this like, towering personality will totems at private lives to exactly. How do you think the industry will pay tribute to him? We were talking about that. You know, remember several funeral. I would. And then I mean, French German. Know his mother's buried at his house in the north of France. Where would they'll be a memorial service in Paris? This Paris makes going to feel very difference. It's just so weird that it happens the day before Milan starts. Yeah. I I kind of thought it would always be like that. I kind of felt that it would always it wouldn't happen in a in in between season wouldn't happen in the middle of may or something I was felt that it would be just feels like he's he's so much part of the bloodstream of fashion. I mean, the thing is he he was old. And and and they had an extraordinary extraordinary life and career. And I can't imagine that this is not this is the trauma of. Genius life cut short. Quite the opposite. Yeah. So I think something like this the respect to the the veneration tributes and everything will be. The sense of French and cylinder skit when I say that. Can we get a shot of the towels? No, I think the I think it'll all be very very appropriate because an in very very almost stately because he is the emperor. And there is really almost no one left. There's no now we can think of one two, but there's we can think of somebody Malawi somebody in America. But we will never see that kinda game. Well, I was surprised how sad I felt. I wasn't. Been feeling really sad today. But it's been really nice to talk to people about it. And to hear other people's stories. I. I'm. I'm sad that we lose that mind yet at the same time. I really feel we had the best of him. Yes. And he said he was going to work till very and he did. And he did he always said he was going to hit a lifelong contract. But I just can't imagine without Carl, you know, and maybe he's he's such an important figure. He's being such an important figure for such a long time that his. Has presence will always be felt. But I think so. Russ. Can you think of another death in the family that is that is powerful? I mean, really nobody there's nobody Alexander McQueen was very young the impact of his death is and there was an almost and there was like a tragedy or tragic element is death. Right. Whereas, you know, car lived a full. Yeah. Healthy very fulfilling life, and you did everything he wanted to do it his way getting middle and in. So you have to be happy that he had that life and happy that. You know, we got to spend so much time with them and talk to him. And you almost feel like there's nothing left that you wanted to ask them. I had a conversation with them a year or so ago, and I just had this funny. I was thinking deliberately, you know, always going to have this opportunity. So we sat down and wasn't. It wasn't pegged to anything. We just had a talk, and it was filmed, and we ended up talking about him and his life. And of course, my usual candid way, I cannot find that film. We will find hope it exists somewhere. But it was interesting because it was just an opportunity, and he was in a reflective mood as well notice. He has been very reflective. I think he can see it in the clothes as well. The collections being designing. He's being very reflective for awhile. I think that Seoul pardoned Postles and talking more about about Hudson and about shoo pet in about love and family and. That's that was a man. Making peace with himself. Well, I will definitely cherish all of those special conversations. I had with him, right? From the very first one. I got pulled into. Suzy Menkes was doing her luxury conference in London. And she had just spent forty five minutes interviewing him on stage. And I was walking on the quarter corridor looking for coffee or something and someone pulled me and said, do you want to interview Karl Lagerfeld and this was two years into? And I was like what? And that interview is. Available for sterilizing on YouTube where the commenters ripped me apart. Because I was so inexperienced and didn't know what I was doing. But you know, he he treated that conversation. I think as he did with any journalists in the answer all the questions, and he was he was so filling about using the next person that probably knows. Yeah. Anywhere now. I know he said to the person came up to meet his fat. But Tim, thanks for sharing. Your thoughts thought to have a conversation. They we won't get many more. But Unity's like this. Well. Well, good. That's all for this. Very special episode of the podcast. I'm Imran Ahmed here with our editor at large Tim blanks. We are. Saying our final tributes to the legendary and people use that in fashion that word in fashion so much, but genuinely legendary towering figure you can go beyond say Connick because he was a fashion icon in the most literal sense of the world are Lagerfeld who died today in Paris at the age of eighty five that's all for to be a podcast. Please follow for all of the news around Karl. We have a very special episode of the daily digest newsletter. One hundred percent dedicated to the life and work of Karl Lagerfeld by.
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So popeye did the same thing up until he was like fourteen months. So i think that goes away Oh i want him to be a little bit more friendly do much safer now dog i was to say. I don't know if safe is really the feeling. So you were born judith. Lions in boston massachusetts. But your family moved to palo verde when you were four. When you from judith to jenna you did your homework. Well i remember. I went to parsons so My first year in parsons it was actually in california so it was. Otis parsons in los angeles. The first year. And i remember. I never really felt like judith. And will the teacher said if anyone goes by a nickname or wants to change their name. Now's the time to tell me at roll call and i'll put you in properly. And so the girl in front of me they get to her and her name was christina and she's like oh i go by sebastian and i'm like oh shit i can do anything and i literally on that spot thought about you. Know what am i going to say. I had no idea. i didn't know what to say. But my brother had teased me for quite some years and he used to say jan agenda. Genitalia genitalia joke. I know isn't that a nice. I mean i mean that is really the derivation of my name is really sexy so i literally was the only thing that can try mine so i just said jonah just came out and i wanted something at least. I had the same initials so i could sign. I what is your brother. Think of this that you took on his nickname monica. Do you know that. I didn't tell a soul. I kept that secret for. I don't know probably twenty year. I never told him until. Probably about five years ago because it was the same. And i just. I don't want anybody to know. So i've been keeping it a secret but now i'm sharing it with you. We'll thank you. Moving onto a slightly more somber note Your mother was a piano teacher and your parents got divorced when you were in junior high school. And you've talked about a defining moment at that time in the tuna fish. I'll in a supermarket. Oh gosh you really went there. Yeah i mean. I did I mean and it's interesting. It's my mom doesn't remember this but you know we all have those things in our head that completely strike us and oh yes someone else's there and they don't have the same recollection or it doesn't it didn't impact them at all. Yeah i remember being in the tuna fish and my mom saying oh. Let's get some tuna fish speaking. My mom saying it's a little expensive. Let's not get it this week and you know i lived in a neighborhood. Palos verdes is known for being a rather fancy neighborhood. But i lived in the not fancy part of the neighborhood and you know with my father leaving and my mom doing the best. She could on a piano teacher salary. Things were always thought easy. And it was a very humiliating and humbling experience. And i think as a kid. I didn't know how to process that. So i just it was scary you it was just. It was a scary experience. I had never had before it was very it really like rocked me away. I don't know how expensive. I know that that moment inspired you to feel that you could only rely on yourself. How did this manifest in your work ethic as you were growing up. I mean. I think it was that coupled with you know a few other poignant moments where my mother had said to me you know. Make your own money. Don't rely on anyone else. I had made a really bad decision at one point where i had gotten money from a car accident and i bought my then boyfriend synthesizer and my mother lost her mind was like. Don't spend your money on other people take care of yourself. You never know like. Don't rely on other people and don't overspend. There were moments like that. Across my life. That kind of resonated with me and i think it just. I know this is going to sound weird but it was. It was kind of just fear. Made me afraid that. I would not be taken care of and so i needed to do that myself. And i also think had a fear of like just not doing a good job it was. It wasn't just because i want to do well to make money. That was part of it. Of course to take care but i also really had a lot of pride and didn't wanna i didn't wanna do a bad job. I didn't want someone to look at something. I did and said ooh. That's not good enough. Like that was something i didn't feel comfortable with. Has it gotten an easier. Oh god i mean. Therapy helps. But i'm still waiting for it to here. Yeah we to feel safe. I don't know if you've ever fully like sink into that but it certainly is hopefully a little bit more aware of it particularly when you're raising a kid yes you were born with genetic disorder called. I'm hoping pronounce this correctly in continente pimenta figment yet. It very good. It impacted the growth of your teeth in your hair. And you've said that as you were growing up you're shamed of your condition you also experienced tremendous bullying with your classmates and i read the boys chased you. And hit you in the schoolyard. Did anyone try and help you. Listen it was. It was a different time. I you know. I just to be clear It affects the skin and the teeth and the hereon for people. Who don't know it's as my teeth grow in kana killer so that means like cohn so they literally looked like dracula and i had huge bald spots in the back of my head that i didn't actually realize there until i was probably in fifth grade and then my skin is kind of multicolored goes it's darker patches and white patches. I've got some sort of vitiligo a little bit so yeah yeah And so yeah. I think this was years ago. This was long before people really talked about bullying. A lot of people talked about. Don't listen to them. You're beautiful and it's interesting. I've been doing a lot of reading. There's a this guy. Brad reedy who. I've been reading some of his his podcast and talking about things. You shouldn't say to your kids and one of them is like you know. Oh you're you're don't listen to those people you're beautiful all those things because basically what it does is it shuts down this idea that there's something that you have pain. It's basically just completely not acknowledging what you're going through and no one knew. My mother didn't have access to that kind of therapy or perspective and people talk about bullying. I was afraid to go to my teachers and my mother didn't know what to do. I didn't want her to go to the school. And then the kid hit me get in trouble. And then he'd hate me even more you know made it worse. I know that that happened to me too. Which is not where no no way out of it so i just kind of dealt you know. Probably not in the best of ways. By the time you were in the seventh grade you are six feet tall and fashion was challenge for you and you mostly had to shop the big and tall section of stores and all that changed when you took a home economics class and you became fascinated by the world of sewing and making clothes and i read about a yellow rayon skirts printed jumbo watermelon wondering if you could tell us more about i mean. Gosh you really. I'm so impressed Yeah i. I was incredibly tall and incredibly thin And i know that sounds like a blessing but at the time this was before there were skinny jeans for girls and you see. There's no tall section for girls. Like i couldn't wear pants and all these scars on my legs. I was trying to hide them. So i was really needed pants and i found myself just really unsure and buying really big closed. They would hang longer and fit. I'd a size fourteen. It turns out. I was not and so when i made that home economics. Last thing i wanted to make was a skirt that would actually go to the ground. Because nothing would do that me and i was you know through the process of making something my own i had to measure myself and then make skirts my measurements and i put it on and i was like. Oh i'm not big. I'm actually kind of thin and this looks kind of good. And and then i watch a school and the most popular girl in school this girl. Derrick peterson sent me a note in social studies and was like hey. I love your skirt. Where'd you get it. And i was like i'll never forget the moment and i said well i made it and she's like would you make me one and i thought that was the first. Oh moment in my life where. I had gotten positive feedback for the way i looked on top of that i made up myself and it was just kind of a little bit of like the best. Pandora's box you could possibly open at that time in my life it was. I was really struggling. None of the boys wanted to go out with me in quotes. You know because. I was a head taller than all of them. I also you know my teeth. Were still really not great. And i think i'm sure people looking at me like i don't want to kiss her. And so you know. It was just an incredible experience. And i really like iran with that one. I when the home economics award in highschool for the only reason i won it was because we did cooking and sewing and homework and i didn't. I didn't still can't cook. But my mother was a seamstress and my mom made close. You put an ad in the penny saver. And she made clothes for women that were tall and thin or thick people. That couldn't buy clothes anywhere else. And she would make their clothes and these oh she would make all these beautiful drawings after she made them and she hung up in this little studio that was in her base in our basement and so we didn't have any money but she taught me how to sew. And i would make all my own clothes which i thought were like the coolest but thinking back on it they weren't it wasn't like a beautiful like you the the description that i read about the skirt that it was Long liquidating cut on the bias with an elastic waistband and hand-stitched him. The town turned out to be an epochal piece of rayon and and mine. Were like ping polyester of sleeves with an advocate purple butterfly. Hey ray order right over us. I guess i mean listen. I'm i'm all in suns thing. I like literally. I think there was a one year dressed in nothing but shades of purple. Have at it. i'm all for it. I still have mad sewing skills but nothing like you know. I went to college for four years and one of the things we did was so i took going to trade school. But i don't know if i could so that bill anymore. I mean it's been a long time. Now you've said you use clothing as an armor and that your personal style changes based on how you want to feel. Even if you're faking it. And i know a lot of women do that. They feel so much. Like i put makeup today so that i would feel more confident talking to you face to face through zoom. What makes you feel strongest. i mean it really depends on the moment and what the occasion is. I think i can give you an example of you know. I am on the board of shake shack and they had a retreat and they asked if i would talk at the retreat and i realized that they all expected me to be business like and very professional so i chose to wear. Sequin jacket was incredibly sparkly and like eighty million different colors of sequences one of my favorite pieces and mostly just. Because i wanted. I want people to see me. Feeling fun. And be an relate and and i i didn't want to be what they expect it. I wanted them to see like a fun. Part of me and a sparkly part of me and that was important. You know and it really just depends on the moment i. It doesn't always work either. Like sometimes i try really hard. And i don't feel it's it's it's a process and an an armor such but i think anyone who knows you know the end of the day. Confidence is an inside job so it can help like it can give you strength. But it doesn't always give everything. Your grandmother gave you a sewing machine and a subscription to vogue. And i read that. The first copy received was the nineteen eighty-two issue isabela rosellini on the cover and an issy miaki spread inside and read issue's cover to cover went back and read them again and even memorize the mastheads. Did you ever consider a career in publishing at that time. Working at a magazine i did not know anything about the fashion industry. I didn't think that i would ever meet an anna winter like they. It just was. I could not expect you have far away. It felt from my life. You know i lived in an area like when i was growing up like there were no bookstores. There were no magazine stores. The only thing that was on the magazine in my grocery store was redbook and the national enquirer at. That's just what was available to me so it just felt completely not approachable. I didn't even dream that. I mean i also didn't really understand what those people did you know. I didn't know what a magazine editor did i didn't. I didn't know that. I enjoyed making things with my hands. And i liked the process of like thinking about something making and then wearing and having feedback like that loop was for me was really healthy. And so i felt more drawn to that but i had. I didn't really. I still don't totally know what goes on all the magazines. I understand drawing class and learning about antonio lopez is what inspired your decision to apply to parsons school of design for fashion. Yes mrs webster. My mother was really incredible. She got me private. Sewing seamless sewing. Listen so that. I could really learn to make things outside of my home at class and i was enrolled in private drawing lessons with this name mrs webster and mrs webster gave me a book called antonio's girls by antonio peasant literally it was probably one of the most kind of eye-opening things for me you know. I grew up in california where beauty was baywatch. It was blonde hair. Blue eyes big boobs surfer. That was the only aesthetic that really existed. I opened up the pages of antonio's girls and there is jerry hall who granted she was blonde but had really didn't have any boobs speak of grace jones. You know beautiful dark skin. Strong black women. The tina chow asian woman. Bright red lips and kind of boyish way of dressing and just completely different mercer berenson with big locks of curly hair. Nobody's nobody wanted curly hair back. You know it was. I realized that there was another type of beauty out there and the way that he photographed them was not like what i was seeing the magazines. It wasn't polished and perfect. They were beautiful but they were free and sexy and i was just completely taken in and it really just it got me. I was like. I want to go to new york. I want to be wherever this person. As wherever this idea of beauty is i wanna go see moved to new york city in late. Nineteen eighty s. What a great time to be in manhattan. What was lake for you coming from southern california to new york city in the name of the chills. I mean i place. I mean this was well before all of zoning laws have kicked in so you had you know just clubs all kinds of clubs everywhere underground club. Dancing clubs sex clubs. It was just like the wild wild west but it was amazing and it had that grit. That's still really exists. Meatpacking district was the meatpacking district and there were clubs. Remember the western beef. Are you kidding. I mean place across the you'd like four in the morning. I remember going walking from nells on fourteenth street over to floral and literally like with all the dudes four in the morning like the meat hanging on the racks. It was just a totally demand. Five you know and but on top of that like it was the first time i've ever really felt pretty in the way that where i could be myself. You know where. I didn't feel like i was you know. I had moved tear very tan with bleach blonde hair and dressed kind of sexy like california sexy and when i moved here. Nobody dress like that. It was much more sophisticated women with slicked back hair. And i never seen a read lip like that before and you know sexy was not was not showing everything sexy was under stated. It was very different and i was like beyond excited. It was one of the best. I mean those early years while i was dirt poor. I have the best memories you to donna karen during your senior year and you said that the clues were all incredibly beautiful but insanely expensive. And you didn't know anyone who could afford them and it was at that point that you went from wanting to make beautiful close to wanting to make things that anyone could afford an anyone could wear at that point. Did you think that you could do both. I think i wanted to believe that. I mean i was aware of other brands that my friends could buy and that were you know. My friends could buy ralph lauren. My friends goodbye. J. crew my friends could buy in. Taylor is very very different back. Then you know there was some great pencil skirts back. Yeah i mean it was in. I wanted to believe that. I knew where i got my satisfaction where i got my like fuel. My emotional fuel was through the process of making things for other people. It wasn't just like. I wanna make a beautiful thing and like very rare. Three people can afford this twenty five hundred dollar cashmere jacket that widely just absolute stunning and i wanna live in it and i want to own it. They're not that many people that can have that and it didn't work for me like emotionally worked for me. You saw posting on the person's job board for job at j. crew and at the time jake was selling a mix of khakis and rugby shirts and inexpensive cartoons. And what made you decide to apply there so this was exactly at the same time that they were starting to shoot on christy turlington. Linda angelique said they were really making an effort to make really simple straightforward clothing more elevated. And that was that was emilie woods. That was her brainchild and she really was trying to shift the thinking around. Like why shouldn't an everyday t shirt Gorgeous and sexy and because it is. And i think you know she was looking at the work of the her brits and avalon's and bruce weber's who were able to make something really simple very very sexy not just sexy but also just chic. And so that was what was really inspiring to me was to see these models that i knew. Were walking the runways of valentino prada and all of these sort of high end models but then were. They're coming in and being paid to wear like a beautiful simple t shirt and a sweatshirt and a pair of leggings and it looks chic and that was really inspiring to me and made me want that because it did both in my mind. There wasn't actually a job when you interviewed despite the job board but the head of recruiting asked if she could have xerox copies of your portfolio. Well there wasn't a job in women's they had a job in men's and so i had never done men's but i figured i would just go say hi and and i also was like well. Maybe i could try and so yes. Marcy chosen who was the head of hr at the time. I still remember her. She's like you don't have any men's in your portfolio. I know i just wanted to figured i'd come. And you never know. And if there's something in the future So yeah she took syracuse my portfolio. She sent them to emily woods. Who was living in california at the time and then she called me right back. And and yeah. I ve very quick interview process. I flew out to la met. Emily did a project. Shortening this but yeah i got the she she as she decreed. Eight sketches for all of. This is such a great part. You just you're asked to make something from nothing for a company you've never worked for and then you do. They need a little booklet of men's closed. I never released catch men so i had to. I had to learn how to catch a male figure to which was. I know that sounds crazy. But it's a little. It's a different thing. I've been sketching women and the way that you sketch women particularly parsons there was like a rhythm to it. my eye hand eye coordination. I kept making the men tall and skinny looked so not manly. It was very funny. So i took me a while and So yeah i made eight. Men's ideas for sketches. They sent them to emily and they hired me. And i worked in men's for about two weeks and then they disliked. We're just gonna move you over to women's because this is silly and yeah and i never left. You started as an assistant to an assistant to someone else's assistant basically i just for the record. I had sat where there was no desk. It was like a weird sort of hallway area and there was no real desk take. It was pretty funny this early early days. What was it lake to. I start seeing people wear something you designed. It's interesting the first time it happened. It felt the same like the seven hundred time it happened. It's so i don't know what's exciting. It doesn't matter if it's a rugby shirt or a pair of khakis like there's some weird sense of pride that someone parted with their hard earned money and they like something that you touched enough to purchase it and then put it on their body and that's just kind of amazing it's an incredible reflection. It's really powerful I know it sounds silly but it's it really like it worked for me when you making your own clothes at the time i mean no i was it was i was working it. Was you know we it was. The company was still very young and it had a very kind of mom and pop attitude. Tonight why i was really excited into it and i worked till ten o'clock at night. You also have to remember we. This was before computers so we were sending faxes like writing handwriting. Long form faxes every night but communicating with the factories about what we wanted to tweak or change on a garment and the process of making clothes at that point was actually really laden. With kind of busy work. Memo's it was really hard so all of the sketching stuff was done in the evening hours and like writing memos about what kind of button i was like. You know it's just unfold. Calls with button. Vendors was a very different world by twenty eleven. You've said that you and your colleagues were lost. Soldiers working away following orders. And you were. Shell shocked and burned out from what was going on. What were you imagining. Your future would be at that point at j. crew. At that time the dates may be a little bit off. It was really right before. Mickey drexler came in. And it's really hard to into words other than the. But when before mickey joined i had literally been threw. Three complete line reduce. It was exhausting. I had we had someone named gene jackson who had been brought in by our parent company. Who owned us. Who wanted her to help and consults. I was sort of following her direction. Then we had a ceo who had not come from apparel who really didn't understand fabric and there was a lovely man but just did not have the background for it and then he was gone. Then this other man can pilot came in. He said for six months but in that six months we did a total redirect and it was just the tricky part was. I don't know if i believed in what i was doing. But you get into this situation. Where in order to keep my team. I needed to hold it together. I needed to try and motivate them. So i had to drink the kool aid and really try to push through and particularly when they're coming to be and saying i want to leave. I don't wanna be here and i'm pleased. Stick it out and they're like what are you going to stay in like. Oh god you know. I wanted to go to. But i didn't want to lie to them. So then you get in this weird conundrum. You're promising people you'll say but you really don't want to so now you have to get up every morning and like go and do a job that you don't feel passionate about that you're confused and really it was just a really really dark time and you know and then mickey joined and i thought like. I don't know if i can do this again. I just was really i. Also what is missing in that in that. Little intersection is that it was the first time i was the boss. So when jackson came in and they had fired my boss who was my dear friend and mentor. And i didn't have those managerial skills. I wasn't confident. In that way. I you know. I have a really distinct memory of someone saying to me. I just inherited this entire team. They were now reporting to me. I'd known them maybe for the senior people who'd been reporting to me but i didn't know all of their team. Are you telling me this person on the org chart is opaque to you. And i'm like well. They're not translucent. I don't know everyone yet and it was just getting hammered constantly. You had so many choices that you've made with your life but you really were determined to stay loyal to your team which i think says quite a lot about a person. Well i think it was that it was also. I mean just to be fully transparent. So don't think my choices. J. crew was not on the map. No one was excited about the time nor myself. I remember going to parties. And people would ask what i did and i would like kind of wins and just say i worked in fashion and then kind of brush over a proud at that time because it was just. I didn't feel good about what we're making and we're creating in the way that we looked so it wasn't like i had a ton of options. It was just this weird kind of spiral. When mickey came in like literally day three it was like a hail mary. He was the most exciting. It was most exciting time of my life. Everything that i wanted he wanted he wanted to bring back the beauty. He wanted to bring back italian kashmir. He wanted to bring back the beautiful wash clothes that we had made as get rid of all the stretch things that have been put in. He wanted to get rid of all the slick stuff he wanted to do. Real quality work where he wanted to raise the quality of the catalog in the look. And the feel every everything that i was like. Oh my god. This is going to be amazing. He wanted and so all of that darkness really lifted very quickly. Your partnership marked the end of product design being dictated by corporate strategy at j. crew and you ended up having to go about redesigning the entire aesthetic of the company. How do you go about doing that. Where do you start in that kind of endeavor. First of all. It doesn't happen overnight. I think if you really went back and looked at the trajectory over time it did not we were turning the titanic and it was not fast. It took multiple seasons to really get our footing. But i do think in terms of how i mean. I you just dig in. It was listen. I can say. I could not have done it if i wasn't excited. I had already redesigned the line three times in the previous year and a half and that is massive and the team was exhausted. But when you get a group of designers they're able to create things that are excited about it is i mean no one could stop. We were couldn't wait to get on the plane. Couldn't wait to go to hong kong factories. Couldn't wait to go to fabric shows couldn't like we were just couldn't wait and it's so motivating and i think people really underestimate the power of what creative teams can do when they are excited and engaged ignited and i think you said it like when you're designing best strategy it is not exciting It doesn't yield the best results. And mickey just like literally took all of that away separated the design team from any of that and he said. Go and do what you love. And then let's talk. And then he looked at the garments and said okay. Now let's see well. What do we think they should be. Priced at what we just. We used to work into a price point and that's very hard. It was so liberating. And so i think it's hard to say how we just were like really guest up great. I read this about the sense of design. At the time there was no kardashian. Level contouring no overt sexiness. Trying too hard sleeves were rolled up shirts. Half tucked blake denim paired with print heels and sequined jackets. Worn with army green pants. What was the inspiration for the aesthetic that you will create. I think it was routed. And the brand heritage and also just being a magpie a deep attachment to sparkly things still do and you know the brand heritage was really this very classic clothing but also grown up in california and my grandmother used to send me really preppy closed for guzman because she lived here on the east coast. I remember getting like a navy blue blazer and like a kilt. I remember wearing that navy blazer the first day of school in eighth grade and i think it was. I don't know maybe ninety. Two degrees sweating bullets. It was paired that with my like t shirt from the cure and my dolphin. Shorts like i was used to mash up. Because it's just the way. I grew up and all of my clothes. Were i liked that. Mix of things and i think everyone that i was working with the stylists who were very a huge part of that and the designers really loved that mash up to and there was a sense of ease things. We all wanted things to be a little messy at a similar vibe so it was very much like an iteration we were. It was constant vibration of other people. You know the team the design team the styling team. We used to have dress up days and everyone would just in stripes. Are everyone who just in winter. Waiter everyone addressing camera. Everyone beat dressed in khaki and it's inspiring because when you give a straight to a designer or creative person that's when they actually get crazy because then they can't think about anything else other than how they turned that one thing into something into magic and it's like at alchemy and it was so fun and really really inspiring felt a huge drive to make clothes that everybody could have because of how you felt ostracized by the world of beauty and fashion. Did you ever imagine that. The first lady of united states and her children would be wearing your clothes. At president obama's inauguration no not in a million years and it's still myself i still like. I miss obama socks. I have like every every everything about them like such an incredibly inspiring time. Not just because they were wearing clothes obviously but because there were a couple of really huge markers obviously it was the first time our country like actually voted to put a black man in office. That's incredible it felt so hopeful to me. It felt so exciting and on top of that they were so real and connected. They didn't they just everything differently than what the past presidencies and and first lady's had done they connected with people i think. That's what was so incredible when she michelle obama went onto the jay leno show and said i'm wearing j. crew. That was a way of connecting with people. She was trying to say like. I'm just like you. And she did. And i think that really resonated with people and i think just from a brand perspective but also from a personal perspective it was so exciting and then on top of that you know in his inaugural speech. He talked about gay marriage. And that's the first time a president had publicly a thing and that's you know they just felt really really hopeful. There was something about and something. That still i think. Really unique and special about michelle obama's fashion style. When she was in office there was a blog that was recording. Every single thing that she was. And i would go to it every day and and then the book came out. There was something so am still so dazzled by her sartorial choices in the way. She combines things lately everything was so beautifully done and it looked so effortless. And i can't imagine that it was but it seemed like she i mean no. She had some very talented people working with her obviously goldman who has a store and chicago who she was behind adam meredith coop who. I think was also really helping to make sure that you know. She had access to things but again. She took choices like no one i've ever seen. I've really loved seeing her post presidency because watching her. I mean the outfits are like to die i love. I mean the thigh high boots. I can't i die every time i'm so in love. In two thousand eight you became executive creative director at j. crew in twenty ten you became president of the company and i read that the decision to take over as president was a two second conversation with mickey drexler. I mean he's very decisive. And i think just to be clear. I think i want to clarify this for some people. Because i realize it does get confusing. I was president executive caterer of j. crew group which is which is j. crew made well and j. crew factory so it was all three of those brands and so that was where it was like. The scope of the project was pretty massive and I think i sort of separated input only into one bucket. And i think it's hard to imagine like just how intense the job was. But i think it gives context. I think the conversation with mckee was only two seconds. Because it wasn't much. Say i mean i think he had been gearing up to it. You can mickey is very transparent. And he is clear about what he likes. What he does not like in meetings he would reference or defer he would include me on things that i hadn't been included before it was becoming apparent. I think to not just myself but other people around me that that was where things were going so when it happened it was. I remember walking out of the room. Just you know. Being sort of shellshocked hadn't really prepared for it. And i never expected to happen and then when it happened i couldn't really process it. It was only overwhelming. It wasn't what i had ever expected for myself nor dreamed of you. Help the company triple its revenue from six hundred ninety million in two thousand and three to two billion in twenty eleven and in two thousand thirteen the new york times rooting article about you with the headline the woman who dresses american. Then your post also wrote a piece nasty snark piece titled too big fear bridge. Yes how hard was it to balance. How the media was measuring you and how you're measuring your god. I mean i remember listening to barack obama. Actually talk about this He was like listen. I don't i don't read the press. I rely on my team to tell me what's important and what's happening there. Something i should know about good or bad. And so. And i know that obviously i was nowhere near as big as him but i think i decided not to read things and i stopped and the reason was and his perspective and i believe if you believe all the good then you have to believe all the bad like the fact that winter is i. The only i know the truth. I know what's really going on. I got credit for things. I didn't deserve credit for. I got slammed for things. I probably didn't deserve to get slammed for. And so i think you have to just take the good with the bat and realized that like it's going to happen no matter how hard you tried the best i could to be as polished with the press as possible but i stepped in mud many times and sometimes on my own. Doing sometimes just because. That's what happened. You know. I think Once you put your name out there when you put yourself out there you are susceptible and you it just comes with the territory you and your then husband split up around this time and you fell in love with the woman. What was it like to have everything you wore everything you did even your relationship and your then husband under such scrutiny. It's hard i. Don't you get in your head too much. It's it what i think. The main thing. I remember being the most challenging thing. Was that know i would go from. I know it's crazy but like literally having an incredible weekend being at the white house dancing with the president and the first lady sings stevie wonder and beyond saying like it was. Just you know things that i never in a million years. Imagine what happened to me and then you know. Come monday morning. I'm sitting on the floor with someone who's you know. Three years out of college negotiating about keeping a style on the line and it was a very hard balance. I did my best. But i know it was. It was confusing as emotionally confusing on top of that. It's not the best thing for a relationship to have such kind of imbalance where i didn't want to leave the house without putting on makeup. I was concerned about every little thing. Because i felt like i was as you. It was under scrutiny. I lived down the street from a very popular hotel and so there are paparazzi. There all the time and so because i happen to live here. They're not there for me but they see me and you know i will be walking my dog or getting groceries are coming back and it was just. It was a lot and I've embraced and really really enjoyed. The past couple of years of thing quiet and not being out there in the limelight was difficult. Come out later in life so publicly. I didn't come. Until i was fifty. So i can really say how people view a little bit. I know about your story to well. First of all it wasn't my choice and the post outed me I got a call. I remember distinctly being in a meeting. And i get paged over the intercom. And there's an inner comedy crew and it was mickey drexler and Margaret foucher. Who's the head of pr and marketing at the time. And all i heard was we just got a call from the new york post. They're running a story that you are seeing woman. Should we confirm or deny and i. My heart was literally like boom boom. Boom i can feel it was facing the wall and i just heard my voice go confirm and there was silence on the other end. They didn't. I don't think they were just like okay. I think we need to talk. Okay and so. I sat mickey's office with the head of hr had a pr and we talked and decided what to do. I will say. I was treated with so much like and respect and acceptance and that was really incredible because they think had that not happened. I think it would have while it was really challenging. I think it would have been much much harder. And i'm deeply grateful for everyone who helped me in that moment because it was really terrifying. I had not told me mother. I had not told my ex husband. I had not told my son. I had told my friends. I had not told my family. It was very new it. Was you know this person had been my friend and we were barely in. I think we you know you know it was so so new. Didn't really know what was happening and So yeah it was. It was it did naked. I didn't have to come out. It's you know it's interesting. It's not even just the the sort of switching teams. I think it's also just the letting everybody know in your life. That's important to you so that they feel included in something that's happening. I had a friend. They got very angry with me then. She found out that. I told my cousin before. I told right you know so. It's like just that sense of people wanting to feel like they're part of what's happening and not left out oh completely and having their own like experience around it was. I literally made frantic phone calls. You know i had this was. It was four o'clock in the afternoon we got the call. It was going live at midnight particularly at that time. Anything with my name on it got picked up so i knew it would get out there quickly and also i mean president of a big american brand. My name was attached to my name faces a touch. The company had recently separated from my husband like it was a it was juicy and i knew it was going to be interesting The most bizarre experience was looks that i got standing outside picking my son at school. That was interesting. Well know that there were millions of gay women all over the world cheering still in in twenty seventeen. After twenty seven years you decided to leave j. crew and i read that you actually wished you'd left a few years earlier. How come. I think i had become less effective. I think that There were a lot of things happening within the company that i think we're probably what needed to happen but they didn't totally align with my desires and my my motivation and my enthusiasm and i also think i had closed myself off to other opportunities and i think that there probably would have been some other things that could've happened but i listen. I hind site is twenty twenty. It happened happened and it probably happened the way it needed to. I think i'd like topped myself out. I think it had run. Its and it used to feel really innate and it used to feel really like i knew exactly what i wanted and felt charged about how to get the best thing and had to push through and and then it started to shift and it was. It was harder shortly after. You left rue you and the woman that you were outed with yes by the new york post also broke and geno like what is she the year twenty. Seventeen any worse for you. I mean listen. I think it was that it was also to remember it too. It's like i went from having had a full time assistant and the night a second assistant who who took care of everything from me you know. I had appeared team that also feel that any kind of press close. There was also a full time. Nanny i went from that to nothing. I didn't need the nanny anymore. Because i'm home. I lose my girlfriend. I don't have anybody helping me. I don't know how to use an excel document like my whole life just kind of had to take back all of my you know. Even my assistant was managing all of my finances with my financial team but like really communicating with that. I hadn't exercised those muscles in so long. And i just it was scary. I was pressed. It's you initially imagine that your next role may be at a big fashion house. But your phone didn't ring and the entire year after you left was even tougher than you expected. How do you manage. how did you get through it. All i mean please understand like i don't think i managed. I think i literally just like it's hard to explain. I think i left the job i want. I knew it was time to leave the job. When i you know it was my choice but i really didn't expect what happened afterwards. And then on top of that. You know the partner thing and everything. I i didn't do much like i just put one foot in front of the other. I was really quiet. I was really really quiet. I would sit on my couch in link flip through magazines and look at books. But i don't know if i retained anything like perfunctory strange. I barely remember some of it. I think i was really depressed. And i just didn't i probably didn't handle it that well so i don't i wouldn't use me as a gallon. I think it sounds like you were trying to reacquaint yourself with yourself. I mean i left a big company. I was president of design company for twenty one years and left. I also feel like left several years after. I should have but a former partner of mine at another business had said. Don't leave cold turkey. 'cause you're gonna lose every sense of who you are. Leave slowly and let yourself re sort of acquaint with the rest of the world. And i did that and i think i did it for too long. And so then by the time it was just like get the fuck l. and i also experienced it even just going from three days a week to then one day a week just sort of reinventing the threads of your of your being like everything that you are the way you understand power that you understand identity the way you understand your place in things and whether you have a place or if it was your job that got you the place. It's so go toppling for sure. I mean i think i will say. I don't think that i actually started to build any of that back in any concrete way until i started to get back into the world. I think the year that i was quiet i was. I had no sense of how i was going to fit in. Or what my where. I stood and in the whole ecosystem of the fashion industry of the beauty industry of the business industry at large. I really. I feel really really grateful that i had time to figure it out and that i took the time to figure it out. You know. I didn't seek out employment in the beginning because i was i was really just wanting some time off. And then now. In retrospect. I'm really happy that i didn't and i'm sort of happy that no one called. I think i needed a reset. I needed that and it was and it's funny because i think a lot of people are like. Oh did that. Feel like the hurt your feelings that feel like a real blow and truthfully i was the one who was like. No one's gonna call. I know i just knew in my heart that there was going to be a big shift in my life and and you think that people just felt that whatever they were offering wasn't worthy of you or do you feel that it was because she were associated so strongly with one brand. What did you what we. Why did you feel so strongly. Because i never would have predicted that. I think probably a combination of the things you just said. I think a couple of things people expect executives to be locked up. And while i was locked up i wasn't locked up for that long. And certainly there's no reason to not start conversations when let me just make one thing clear from my listeners. When genesis locked up she doesn't mean in jail. Oh living non compete. Thank you for the clarification high-powered executives. Joan always go to jail. When i'm definitely said i don't think so i think so. Maybe assume that. I was under contract of some sort. In addition as you mentioned like particularly for a fashion brand. Like i'm not going to go to like ralph lauren or a michael kors because those names have names on the door and i had my name almost too well known in that way and and who knows if they would've wanted me anyway. I'm i'm not saying that. I could have gone to saying saying that. The the american companies that were available to me there weren't a lot. And then there. The taylor and the banana republic and neither one of those were really the right thing and just for sort of another version of what i just done. It didn't really feel like so. There weren't that many options and in that regard and then maybe people just didn't assume that i could do something else i don't i don't know i think it was a combination of all of those things i would have loved to have tried my hand at ralph lauren. It was my dream. I told winter. I'm like i really want but you know ralph is still there and There's a team in their amazing and you know i. It was more of a fantasy than anything else. Well now it seems you have several chapters unfurling simultaneously. You're the executive producer and star of the show stylish with gentle lions on. Hbo max which is so good. I'm telling people that you had been testing to hire. And i think you made the right decision. Think it's exciting to see what you're doing you've started a bespoke false eyelash company which i've also bought eyelashes from now. You're working on the design of a hotel chain and opening pop up stores. You've called you company. Lions life after death. Lapd so so. Is there any other backstory other than coming back to life with the. Yeah i mean. I think it's interesting so i mean there's been a little bit of a shift in all of that but i think when i first started i i realized it was taking on quite a few projects. So you know had this hotel project just to be clear. It's not a chain of hotels to one boutique hotel in the bahamas and elbow cay just to be clear. and I don't want anybody to think that there's gonna be more of them. Because then out made then i can't other ones so if somebody has another one for sale So when i was doing these projects. I realized that i had all these things coming in. And i was paying people at my bank account and i sat down with my count. And he's like you need to have to have some sort of hub. So we created lions latte as a way for me to kind of have a hub and be able to actually pay people out of that as things have gotten bigger. I've been looking to make of a design consultancy company which we've been calling sort of creative so that's sort of creative agency and the reason is we make this joke that we're like that sort of creative. Is that creative. Or is it sort of creative and and the reason is because they're all these new people in the mix and it's not just me so i wanted to remove it so lions ladders the original. Now we're going to do sort of creative agency I have other projects brewing. I'm working on a furniture line with Rolling hills. So there's that i'm also consulting with rockefeller center who is working on. Reinvigorating rockefeller center and all of the retail and food and beverage. And just let look and feel so. That's been incredibly fun and exciting. So yeah there's a lot going on. The television show is really wonderful. Thank you in twenty fourteen. You played a conde nast editor in a three episode arc on season three of girls but other than that you had no experience in television. What has it been like learning something entirely new. I mean harrowing. I am grateful that at my age. I get to learn a new trade like that. It's pretty incredible and to be able to do it. At like an executive producer level. The particular talents is as i had never done it before. I had no idea how to move the needle on things. I didn't know what levers to pull. I didn't know the order things needed to be done. I made so many mistakes. You know just in terms of the way that i thought about how it would get done. And i didn't i just didn't understand. I've learned a ton but it was probably one of the hardest and also most rewarding and fun things. I've had the chance to work on being in front of the camera. Not so fun really hard. You know i mean the number of times. I went to the bathroom with my mic on. And like why am i so hot like oh i have a microphone on my back and then i'm realizing sitting on the toilet or like having a conversation the corner talking to someone like you realize that the camera that everyone can hear you. I mean it's like it's very interesting. They were in my home in my office. They were in my favor draw. It was like you were involved in literally everything from the graphics to the music to the editing to the color i know you experimented with fifty four names before landing on this show is sort of a mix of both i. I described it before as a reality. tv show. but it's really kind of a reality tv show documentary and so this hybrid approach. I mean i think. Mostly because i wasn't comfortable doing a reality show based on the way reality shows. Were being put out there at the time so when originally spoke with the network it was really important to me that i wanted it to be reality. Meaning it felt wanting it to real and not with quotes. Well it's it's a wonderful show. I did i not a reality. Tv person realised it was reality. Tv she was so excited. Because i generally don't want to watch reality. Tv show with her and she's like we can watch together and she loved itunes rooting ball. And you were supposed to tape ten shows but because of covid the show ended up eight episodes and film the last one in the middle of the pandemic with masks and social distancing trying to pop up store. How hard was that. i mean. Talk about challenges. That i've related the year. Twenty twenty two like business twister. I felt like i was constantly trying to like put my hand on the blue dot with my right leg twisted underneath me the green dot and my other other. It just was really. There's nothing about the way that i'm used to working. That is connected to distance and cova and it was just the most incredibly challenging at least shot the last episode. It was so incredibly hard not to mention the fact that it was like a hundred degrees every day. We were shooting. We just happened to pick the final week of filming to be the most excruciating the year. And you know i was. Just oh my god. I can't believe it actually happened. And then and then in the middle of getting ready to launch a business like so love scene was literally percolating incoming everything collided at once because originally the show was supposed to launch in may then it got pushed tune july august september. And then we were trying to launch the slash business and so loving launched in september and the show ended up launching after it was just an was a messy messy messy. You also sold the house in the process. Oh well there's that yes. One of the projects for the show was redoing. A house ex girlfriend. Who we we still own. A house together in upstate. New york and we had a leak from a broken shower valve and it had been really slow leak so it we didn't realize that it collapsed the roof and ruined the furniture in ruined the floors. And so we We redid the house as part of the of the seventh episode and turned around and sold it and also closed out that chapter. We've been sharing that house for the last three years so it was really it did not it did not lack emotional fortitude tears when i saw the house the original before you redid it. The i cried lures buckled. It's really hard. I know it just seems like a a thing and of course it is just the thing and it's obviously fixable and it's not a person but it is amazing how much you attach homes to experiences in life experience and just so like the house was like representing the relationship in some way that it kind of fell apart and buckled and i was like i wasn't really upset about the house i mean. Of course it was sad to see that it was just like god. I felt like the house was talking to me. And i was like. Oh i'm sorry and then to have cameras watching you. There was that to own my god. I know we'll show coming back for a second season. I don't know i hope so. I knew to let us know. Let you know you've also launched a new eyelash business. Did you ever consider calling it. Stylish switch that's great. I love we should. We should call. We'll do an email called stylish. I guess with your friend trey. What made you decide to do that. Such a unique and unusual thing to do so weird. I mean honestly like it was kind of another like weird happy accident i i don't have any eyelashes so i'm obsessed with eyelashes. It's part of the side effects of my generic disorder. And so i noticed them. And everyone and i noticed all the women at j. crew coming into the office wearing eyelash extensions and these women didn't wear any makeup. They were very very clean. So i thought it was interesting that they were getting eyelash extensions and then on the flip side. I was watching like all of these youtube videos of these women wearing like contour an eighth of you. Know lip liner. It was just highlighter. They would finish themselves and i was like holy shit. They look i mean it was like a different person but then they would finish with an eyelash. I thought it was so interesting to completely opposing. Concepts of beauty were focusing on eyelashes. And i thought well. Maybe there's something in between. When i looked at the landscape everything was pretty over. The top. And i wanted them. I like them. I love the way what they do but they were all the expressions of beauty and also the lashes themselves were pretty bold so i wanted something a little different and so i was having a conversation with by now partners from magnet and i just i don't know just threw it out there and they got excited and we got excited and here. We are off to the races happened. I mean launching business during cova like please again my life but the you know the fact is for those of us like me who love having eyelash extensions but can't because of covid it's a great great solve and then you can get addicted. You have lots of different styles of lashes. The name of your company is love scene. Correct and the names of the lashed varieties all have four letters. Cade says nor troy jack. Axel levi iras luca and rami. I bought kate. Because i think that that's a good lash for a droopy. I like i have make of the increase in the business of eyelashes win. When do you see that having released taken off 'cause now i think it's reaching a tipping point where it's become interesting thing. I think i think that there has been a dramatic shift in the beauty business at large the fashion industry as well. It's really been turned over to the people's speak. It's moved away from the industry pushing down and telling you what you should have. And now it's the people are saying. This is what we want and the businesses are listening. And i think that is pretty remarkable. It's massive paradigm shift in business in general and so. I think as you see more people doing makeup videos and and putting lashes on. There's a clear understanding in. And i think businesses are starting to understand that. There's all different desires and while for the most part you had a pretty pretty singular look and feel in the beauty industry. It was the glamour was kind of the same. If you look at maybelline revlon covergirl some of the big ones. They didn't look different. And so now you're getting is you're getting who beauty. Who's doing total over the top glam. And then you're getting ilia which is doing really pared-down clean you have glossy with like literally like just sort of kissing yourself beauty but not really changing yourself. There's all different ways. That people are playing. And i think it's really. It's changed the way. That industry has addressed things that i think it's given the biggest shifts. I think our eyelashes for one and then just skin foundations. If you look at the world of foundation it is literally hundred million times different than it was five years ago there so many more options. And i think that's incredible and there should be You know and ironically. That's just we're trying to do is eyelashes. Were pretty much only for people who really wanted big glam and big makeup and what we're saying is okay well. What about the people that don't want big lemon big still want the kick but don't really want to do that full expression you know. I don't like to wear black eyeliner all the time. I can wear the luca. Or the iris brown and do a tiny little bit of brown shadow on my lash line. And i don't get that happier makeup. Look and i can wear them like walking my dog which i i normally do. I love it. I love beauty. That is easy me to the new brow craze as well you know so i can do my brown. I can have a lash and just throw on some lipstick. And then and that's it still kinda look more put together than i would if i just sort of rolled out of bed totally and especially in zoom call like i really do think about it like you know when i put on the last like gotten good at it. The tool has helped tremendously. I know you said that you had a little bit of a hard time. I am saying. I'm learning i. Everyone does no-one gets it right. The first time. I have now learned some tricks that have really helped but the tool makes it much easier and now i can get them on in like two seconds. And i'm like damn it really does make a difference on my calls. Good snazzy will i i understand before the pandemic you've never heard of zoom. I hadn't either i hadn't i had never been assume. Call in my. My work is so tactile talking the girl from the crown affair their brand of hair care and we were texting back and forth because she had posted all these pictures of her getting ready to producing the line. And there are all these boards lineup. And it's like. Oh god i i have never missed a board more in my entire life like images where you can move things around and it over here. It's like i don't want to pin it on the computer. I just don't want to. I want to touch it to less questions for you The first i understand. Ashley merriman chef at the restaurant. Prune has been cooking for you. Yes her wife gabrielle. Hamilton was against in the show a few months ago. What kinds of things are they making you. Oh my god. I mean i have to say is like the saving grace of covid been eating like a i in queen. It's amazing i mean there's a stuff i call crack which is basically. It's this roasted smoked tomatoes with onions and olive oil and it just goes on anything. It is probably one of the single best things i've ever had in my life. She makes this stew. That is to die for She makes the most incredible like white bean salad that i like absolute bean salad and wiping soup that i love a six hundred french. French onion soup is in who sane duck breast with an agriculture. Have you do you know what. I didn't even know what agriculture was. It's it's sounds good. It's like onion crack. It's basically all these different onions. And then you put them in a pan with a little bit of butter and a little bit of sugar and then they the car. It's insanity it goes on everything i could go on and on it's been the best. She's incredible. I'm i'm so lucky so my last question is this silly. I understand that texting has saved the relationship that you have with your mother. It's totally true. I think i mean. I hate to say this my mom and she and she will say this. My mom suffers from asperger's and she is not as it's not as easy for her communication. She just doesn't always know how to vote and find troubling challenging. And we've struggled and it's really interesting. You know you can change the tone of tech so deeply with a heart emoji or crazy face or and now that she's gotten used to it and understands how to use them a lot of things that i think would have been said before that might have fallen flat or might have triggered me into feeling like maybe the way i interpreted it You know with a simple heart and flower or exclamation point completely changed and it's really like softened our our engagement and made it easier for us to connect and connect more frequently And just be. Don't know sharing pictures and liking things and i know it sounds crazy but it's been really really helpful you. No one would have predicted how popular texting was going to be like. There were no future is saying we're gonna be using emojis in fifteen years fifteen years ago. there's something about the efficiency of it that i think is is sort of democratize conversation and a lot of ways you know. I'll say oh. I miss you. I can't wait to see you in a different or like a bunch of hearts. It's somehow feels different than you know when you're on the call of your mom you're like okay. Bye mom you don't take the time whereas there's things i'll say in texts that i probably wouldn't and she my mom made her own emoji like owning. Like what is it called. What are those things called. I'd have itar for moji bitmojis. My mom has her own bitmojis. My mom is eight. Like my mom's got bitmojis. He sends that thing. Mike yes ma. I think so proud of her go. It's incredible i think like i don't know that's the kind of stuff like it really. Does it helps it. Feels like she's also she's always been really good at being on top of whatever is now because she was a piano teacher so she always was around young kids which i think is really incredible so as kept her kind of connected and now she's really tries to tries very hard and i really appreciate it and it's definitely hats off mom nice work thank you thank you. Thank you for helping to make the world more stylish joyful to and thank you so much for joining me today. I'm just thank you. I'm so impressed with your research. That was an incredible interview. I really appreciate it and it was so incredibly nice so nice to talk to me. Stylish with gentle lyons is currently on. Hbo and you can read all about her new eyelash line and by eyelashes yourself look seen at love. Scene dot com. This is the seventeenth year. We can podcast design matters. And i'd like to thank you for listening and remember. We can talk about making a difference. We can make a difference or we can to debbie noman and forward to talking with you again. Soon design matters is produced for the ted audio collective by curtis fox productions and non pandemic times. The show has reported that the school of visual arts masters branding program and new york city the first and longest running branding program in the world the editor in chief of design matters media is zachary pettit and the art director is emily.
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"In the lot on podcast network team every day. This episode of locked on women's basketball is brought to you by locker room. Download the locker room app from the app store and find one of our locked on rooms locker room. Changing the way we talk sports. You are locked on women's basketball. Your daily podcast. On women's basketball wound. Women's basketball tuesday. Thursday host erica lindsay yala better known in the last twenty four hours or less as the reporter that teen sheils a question about her new washington team. So we're going to get into that if you don't know what i'm talking about. Don't worry you will. She got that kind of coverage you know she was able to score and if she got doubled she was able to find teammates. Who exa question. I don't think people involved who actually question Having a good time having a lot of fun with that one. But we'll get into that but as you know it's thursday that means it's social justice thursday. Lots to talk about. Also want to give you a little wellness tip or a life. It's it's wellness in that. If it's your vibe it's a it's a good way to just be connected with with earth to be connected with something relaxing and it is brought to us by way of sylvia fowles. So i'm excited to talk about that. So many little teases so we're going to head to washington for a little bit. We're going to head to minnesota for a little bit. But the mean conversation will be social justice. Got some news this week earlier this week on monday that the wnba p. a. Along with a handful of other players association's actually united and came out with a unified statement regarding voting and so it is. I want to read this to you. Make sure i get it right. So this is This i got from the wnba. Professional sports unions come together to oppose new voting restrictions. So you know if you listen to the show regularly that i talk a lot about georgia. I mentioned that. I'll probably still talk about georgia. I've mentioned my cameo on remotely renee where we talked about georgia in the voting rights. Act but i wanna or or the voting rights act not in georgia but generally speaking. That's a federal bill. Now named after the late john lewis. I talk about that a lot a lot. A lot But here we go. This came out may third. That's monday over. The last few months state legislatures across the country have proposed bills and new legislation that if passed could make it harder for ordinary citizens to cast their ballot in future election seasons today nine major sports unions in north america or announcing their joint opposition to these legislative efforts aimed at restricting the right to vote and join hundreds of individuals foundations and corporations in taking a stand for democracy and the statement goes on to say we stand for democracy a government of the people by the people of beautifully american ideal but a reality denied too many for much of this nation's history as americans we know that in our democracy we should not expect to agree on everything however regardless of our political affiliations. We believe the very foundation of our electoral process rests upon the ability of each of us to cast our ballots for the candidates of our choice for american democracy to work for any of us. We must ensure the right to vote for all of us. We should all feel a responsibility to defend the right to vote and to oppose any discriminatory legislation or measures that restrict or prevent any eligible voter from having an equal and fair opportunity to cast a ballot. Voting is the lifeblood of our democracy. And we call upon all americans to join us in taking a nonpartisan stand for this most basic and fundamental rights of all americans. So here are the undersigned. The signatories if you will of course the national basketball players association. The united states women's national team the professional women's hockey league players association the national women's soccer league the national women's hockey league the national football league the national basketball players association major league soccer players association and the basketball players union for the record. I read those from the bottom up. I think they were done alphabetically. We don't see the national hockey players association. Although both women's professional entities are here. So there you go. I will link in the description. The full press release. This came out monday. I had heard about it through my coverage. Women's hockey and i talked about it there. I haven't really heard many other people talking about this but this is critically important. And that's what we talk about here. On social justice thursdays social justice thursdays. Excuse me so again. Check out the link in the description and you can always follow me at elon zero eight if you want my deep thoughts on most things political little bit of sports here and there but of course my favorite is when the two meet somewhere in the middle to which i want to go to the olympics. Let's go to the olympics people. And then i will give you all. The tea is not the tea with asian. Fiba this is the auntie t the t- between me and tina chow. We'll get there soon. But the i o see. The international olympic committee apparently is banning all athletes from wearing or representing or talking about anything. Black lives matter. I think that's all you're going to get as far as reaction. I'm going to link some of the information that i've seen about this. I'm sure i'll talk about it again. I'm very curious what people like. David zairean are going to say about this in the coming days. Weeks hours Ultimately it is as long as i've heard it said miscarriage of justice when we allow people to conflate and to compromise the true nature of statement like black lives matter with political inaccuracies. And my surprised by that. Of course not. That is a tactic that we see till is oldest time in the political realm But it's really unfortunate that places that dependent relying on the labor and talent of black and brown bodies do not support black and brown bodies so lincoln the description if you want a little bit more about that link also in the description to find out more about this professional sports unions joint message about Standing for democracy okay. So why don't we go over the rundown once again coming up next on lockdown women's basketball. I'm going to take us to minnesota. Not only did. I speak to the fantastic. Sylvia fowles during media day but also got to speak to natalie. China and i became a huge fan of natalie. Shawa last year had a great conversation. I'd follow natalie china. Because for a while i wanted to make sure i was really dialed into what. The women's national team in canada was doing between kia nurse. Nataliya china herself now. Bridget carleton Just felt that there is a lot missing when we talk about. North american women's basketball and not talking about the canadian national team so had followed natalie there. I mean that. She's been with the national team for so long so young when she came to the national team. So that intrigued me. And then twenty twenty happens and i started to realize the role that natalie on played not just in the wnba or even with the canadian national team but also within her community. So i'm gonna tell you a little bit more about natalie china. And then we'll hear from natalie china then i'll give you my sylvia fowles anecdote soul get to that also and then we will close the show out with me talking about teenage girls because onto likes little drama. I like a little drama. And i think some drama was stirred up. But there's also a lot in what tina charles gave me at media the washington mystics course. She's on the mystics. Now they had a scrimmage against the atlanta dream they lost eighty seven eighty. And i asked my tibo about getting a balance between having tina charles. A person who can take over a game easy. We saw her do it in new york night in night out regardless of the injuries regardless of the opponent. So we know she's capable of that but also tina has opened up. My tibo has opened up that the whole reason that she came to washington was to not have to play that role And i want to know where they're at with that and so in the final segment of locked on women's basketball for this thursday may sixth. We'll go over all of that coming up next which girl erica lindsay gala on lockdown. Women's basketball wouldn't it be great if there was a pocket-sized guide that helped you sleep. Focus act and be better. Well there is and if you have ten minutes head space can change your life head. Space is a daily dose of mindfulness in the form of guided meditations and in an easy to use app head space. 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Sylvia fowles who doesn't like to talk to sylvia right. Am i right am i right. I know him right. I know right. i know i'm right. Everyone loves to talk to sylvia. Fowles i love to talk to sylvia fowles. I learned that we have a mutual friend. That's always exciting but I also learned a little bit about a little bit more about. Sylvia fowles because of the website and the The business power forward and if you head over to power forward and you check out. They have a lot of different athletes. My more of bought something from her line. Kelsey trainer and the invest in black women. Pay black women. Sue bird is on there So but if you go to sylvia fowles. I found this fascinating and i learned that. Sylvia fowles is A bit of a plant mom. Sylvia has a store on on power forward. And i'll give you the link and here's what we learn a little bit about sylvia fowles. We've all been spending way more time at home than ever and my plant collection has steadily grown over sixty. Now what can i say. I love plans to work that into this product. So that is what sylvia fowles and what her line That's what it says. As part of the sylvia fowles line on power forward and again. I will send that off to you. This is also fundraiser. So there's a part of that and i'm looking right now at the months tara doulos llosa which is a would you. Would you describe this plant It seems to have big big leaves. Big welcoming leaves and The the the plant is potted in what appears to be a plan holder. That is a basketball with the words planting seeds under it so definitely go check that out. Again that's power forward. Sylvia fowles line. And i will share that link in the description but i got to ask sylvia fowles about this and it was really interesting to hear. Sylvia opened up about her product. Line so definitely. Go check that out her. Thank you hazel. how are you today. I'm good excellent. Good to see you actually wanted to ask you about the merch line that you have with power forward Because i understand that you are a plant mom upwards of sixty plants So if you could just tell me a little bit more about that and where. Where'd you get your green thumb from. And how he got into the So intellect implant says up in college something that i enjoy I love to go process of it. I am not a succulent mom. Because they're too boring me. But this up that i'll be interested in in auburn. The time to nutley abroad also helped Me just be home and making sure. I'm decorating my house. And making a phyllis on me as possible and Carport angry with this idea of doing something that i really love. And how can we give money to charity and like no-brainer on his plants. That are low in if we can do something with that. That'll be great. Just rang with the idea where we are today. I love it. Do you have a favorite plant as right now I do have a plan. I probably would say the monstrous right. Now is one of my favorites. Thank you okay. So sylvia fowles plant. Mom been doing that since college. It's not something that i personally knew about sylvia fowles. I'm not saying that that information is out there. It could very well be something that me aka. auntie missed but I love this also. It appears that macro may is something else that sylvia fowles in relation to her plant hubby has picked up with so much free time on my hands. I decided to pick up a new hobby. Hashtag maccarone this will for sure. Keep me busy throughout my days inside hashtag so many plants i love it. I think it's fantastic. Sylvia fowles so we're going to stay in minnesota or yeah we're gonna stay in minnesota and you are going to hear next from natalie. Chandra and what. Her intentions are regarding social justice and some of her own personal endeavors. Now that she is in minnesota. So here we go. Thank you very much. Natalie for natalie ciandella for feeling some questions from me regarding moving to minnesota and taking on social justice in two thousand and twenty one in a city like minneapolis and how. Maybe that will be different. If at all from social justice efforts in the bible. Here's natalie at china. Thank you natalie. I wanted to ask you a little bit about the role that you've played for the players association and particularly allot that the players took on last year. You don't really even have to look past minneapolis in minnesota to know that whether we're talking covid or racial and social injustice that things have changed from twenty twenty but they haven't gone away. I'm just wondering For you and then maybe extending that to the the p. a. in conversations. You've had so far. What do you expect the approach to be to a lot of the things that the wnba quite literally put on their backs last year. You're you're exactly right. It's just another year and nothing's gone away. Yes we might have seen some improvements or seen some of the work that behind the scenes Health things but it's it's never over so with me personally. Being in minnesota now and with the forefront of a lot of social injustice that we see in in police brutality that we've seen here. I think for me. It's really just embedding myself in minnesota. It's a lot of new for me. So i'm trying to figure out where i can help where i can fit. My vision never changes. I've always said it's much is given much is required. Just because i wear a different jersey now that it doesn't change who i am. It's just. I'm trying to figure out where i can fit in where i can help. Do physically need to be in whether it's in use phones or working with the Wilson girls club. I did a video for them. Like where can i really in myself in this community In that's kind of where. I'm shuffling with right now. And as a player's association a lot on our vaccine awareness vaccine education I don't want to give you numbers. Come without of how many players are vaccinated. But i know that was something big for me is making sure that not only. Am i talking to talk. When i'm walking walk. I got my. Jj back in indiana before. I even came to minnesota. So that's where we're at right now and once again it's all we said. That is not new true it so we're always gonna continue to push the envelope for grout where can use for How can we individually and our individual cities help cool quickly also wanted to ask a little bit about The i believe they were grants that you're giving away through The madame cj walker Legacy foundation and believe that was indiana specific. So i'm just curious what that will look like for you moving forward. That's a great question. That was amazing punishment that we were able to give away onto four grant winners. We're give away money for them to it's been it's a whole combination so they actually got education in terms of marketing in terms of Financially and also there was a third one the group was doing. But the madame walker likes center has been a great partner in that in taking that my vision and kind of making it come to life and to be able to work directly with these women in Lack lemon in their businesses at home. So yeah that was specific to indiana. I don't know what's going to happen next. If if i create something similar in minnesota or we just continue to work with like see senator. But we'll see something will happen. If you know me something will happen. It's just a matter of time in figuring out what the best way. We'll be. All right there goes natalie sean wa so more to come from natalie but as you heard and as i've talked about here on the show there was a vaccine and vaccination awareness mentioned that sylvia fowles was one of those athletes that was unsure how she would approach being vaccinated by understanding from someone within the links organization. Is that since. She mentioned that and that was again during usa basketball media when selena was with usa basketball and hadn't yet arrived in minnesota. My understanding is that sylvia fowles is on track to be vaccinated if if she has not been already so i will make sure to follow up with that but so we gave you minnesota wellness through plant mom. Sylvia fowles as well as social justice with natalie chana and i've been stringing you along all episode but it is time we are going to talk about some of the tea at the top of the show. I gave you a little bit of a tease. Tina charles wanted to know who asked that question and well. 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Welcome bonus on your first deposit that online your online sportsbook experts for those who may not know. I was on the fishing. A huge proponent of tina charles. mvp twenty sixteen in fact. I'm still a huge proponent of tina charles. Mvp twenty sixteen. And i talk about this guy any any time that i can. Tina charles lost out on most valuable player to neck mccain and reasons that were given Neka was more efficient and the lakers were a championship. bound team. In new york wasn't and one of my favorites ever arguments. And because i have this. Mvp debate in all sports. That i cover not just basketball. But i was once told that i take the freeze. Mvp which of course stands for most valuable player to literally. That was the argument. That was the counter arguments. Someone gave me as to why mine selection for most valuable player most valuable player was wrong. Yeah i do take. Mvp literally who brought the most value to their team. If you were to remove tina charles from any new york liberty roster that she was on new york would not have the success that they had in the eastern conference is something that i posit and that i stand by in particular that twenty sixteen team which started to show what i believed really started at least the year before but it started to show that there is some wear and tear on a new york team that had been at the at the time in the wnba dominating the eastern conference and then we got rid of conferences as far as playoff seeding and the new york. Liberty have not been in the playoffs. I have lots of thoughts about this. I will probably share them on this podcast but for now what i want to share is a question that i asked mike. Tibo regarding this very phenomenon and As i mentioned i was closing out the last segment it would appear that tina charles overheard at least partially what i asked of mike depot. So coming up right now. You're going to hear the audio. And i'm going to play the entire question that i asked my t. bone in his response. And then i will play for you the full audio that led up to it because if you watch or if you see anyone that has cut the clip from the that was made available by the washington mystics. You won't hear the whole exchange and quite honestly tina's tina's entry into the press conference Was one of the most funny and drama filled an absolutely like just a gym of hashtag content. That i've i've been able to witness and be a part of in quite some time so i'm gonna play you the clip. I will also leave the link for you in the show notes in the description to this episode. If you wanna watch that you cannot check that out. It's over at sports talk e. l. a. You can find the clip on instagram. You can follow me at elands. E zero eight and you can head over to sports talk. Ucla youtube to watch and the reactions are priceless. I highly recommend if you are able to watch. Tina charles. Basically call me out. Yes she called me out. You know she felt i think she felt that she was calling me out i. I don't think that i got called out for say. Because i think obviously i just told you that i think You know my of who she was for the new york liberty and who she can be and probably should be for the washington. Mystics is drastically different however. I'm also talking to tina charles after she scored eighteen points in a loss and she had one assist and the next highest score on. The team came from the bench and had ten points. So again we see. As i saw very often in new york when when tina charles played with liberty you see tina having a high output having to do a lot for the team and i do think that by twenty nineteen for the new york liberty when her efficiency rating went down. I think of quite quite honestly. Tina charles got fed up with the system in new york. And if you listen to what she says if listen to what she said to me. Last night i feel like we're starting to get tina to unload some of that frustration. So i'm gonna play you that clip and then i will close out the show. Let you know what to expect coming up because we have a live event coming up. Live event coming up unlocked or four locked on women's basketball so once we hear tina charles. Send me home with the business. I will come back and get you ready for the next week or so of on women's basketball because it's going to be it's gonna be good one. The wnba season is indeed upon us. But first teen sheils you alluded to this regarding tina charles. But we know Up here in new york that she did have a tendency to to feel obligated maybe to take over games and that really may be impact how she played down the stretch wondering if maybe you had a conversation with tina or are there just continued expectations that you have as far as being able to be reliable but also to get other people involved world teen is always going to be a goatee player. I mean i think that you know that's one of the reasons you would want to have her on your team. I think that there's a respect amongst our players that no no one person has to carry the load You know sometimes she got put in that position in new york But she's gonna be surrounded by really talented offensive teammates but we're gonna also rely on the art art. She can not only create for self but she'll be able to because of her presence create shots for other teammates. I'm looking forward to the day when we can can put her in a lane and some others on the fort together and now one on one coverage like this no when when she got that kind of coverage you know she was able to score and it's got double dune. She was able to find teammates. Who ex question. I don't think i could get people involved. Who asks that question so the eighteen was me erica. Off of people of all on new york last year. I have been. That's why i asked the question on our team playing with him that come for all your me on new york. New york's love to see it. Get people involved but erica inc. You tina leg. I had asked coach earlier. I just wanted to get your thoughts. Also on being able to balance being a goto player and also being able to facilitate something. That i do. You know you've been around. You've seen it southbound. A and taking back made the comment. But it's just something that i do. If i get double team facet out social slower Always than have that attack mentality. You know the main reason i came here because i was encouraged to be myself. And that's something that i'm gonna continue to to do especially when i have my teammates believing in want me to go out there and do what i need to do. Find open shots for them instead. Heartstrings or run the floor hard dragging the answer to getting open. Threes on the perimeter on is something that i definitely Take pride in. Also when i'm going to let the rest of this clip play out in a minute but i also asked tina charles who you know. Calm down a little bit once. I asked her directly. But i asked tina charles about adjusting to new kovin protocols. Remember tina charles did not play in the bradenton wobble. She did not play the single site season she was medically exempt. So here's what tina had to say about adjusting to ask you about just game day. It's a little bit different obviously now. With dealing with corona virus. It seemed like coach tibo little bit. Different obviously also wanted to ask you about just game day. It's a little bit different obviously now. With dealing with corona virus. It seemed like coach. Tibo wanted to also use these scrimmages to get a better flow of what a game day will look like with new protocols. Just your take on on some of those adjustments and if you think impacted your preparation for tonight our You know you think in the bigger picture of cobain how it's impacted individuals to come into a game. This is nothing you know. There's families who lost loved ones. This families who lost their jobs their families who are trying to find out when they get their next meal. So you're telling me. I have to come in and put on a mass and tests. It's seven eleven thirty. That's it doesn't this is nothing I think we all be still. We already able to see what was going on. In the world. Allen impacted everyone So for me this. This is nothing. This is nothing hard all. thanks tina. Best of luck all right so you heard tina charles. She didn't like my question. She's a facilitator and she wants to be a facilitator for this washington team but again. She alludes to being able to be herself as one of the reasons that she came to washington. Of course she was before washington was new york and where she was before. New york was in connecticut with my tibo. So yeah that that does point. Some fingers and in some ways potentially indict new york and the new york liberty. Tina charles worked under two head coaches in new york. Bill laimbeer and katie smith. And i think. I talked about this when i was talking about. Oh nikki collin. We talked about that on tuesday. And i think at least Sometimes i forget what i edit out because i ramble as. I'm sure you know if you listen to the show regularly but one of my ramblings about the nikki colin position was if someone from the minnesota staff would potentially be an option to take over permanently in atlanta katie. Smith of course is a head an assistant coach. Excuse me under head. Coach and general manager cheryl reeve rebecca brunson on that staff planet pearson on that staff all women all former wnba players Working under cheryl reeve. Who didn't play in the wnba was basketball player It was tough. It was a tough turnaround as on social media. Reminded me also james dolan. Who if you listen to some of the locked on. Nhl shows you know has been in the news The rangers have been in the news talking about vines. And what a mess. But so the sale of the new york liberty. The coaching changes and the coaches. That were there bill in beer and katie smith. I do believe that there are things that could have been done differently from drafting two systems to playing time to get tina charles some some help and she should have that in washington and the reason that i asked is because not just looking at her stats numbers but again yesterday. In yesterday scrimmage against the atlanta dream was the first time that tina charles has played in a competitive wnba sanctioned Since the twenty nine thousand nine season. So yeah yeah. I do think it's valid. I hear and i can appreciate that. Maybe tina charles felt a little some kind of way because if you look at the fan forum shoes getting get lotta she. She was not getting all the love that she probably deserves being a native new yorker playing for the new york liberty and doing what she did for those new york liberty teams. And i've said that said that over the years. I think that people need to respect. Tina charles and i say that there came a time where tina charles demeanor and decorum changed and by the time that became visible in evident to media. She was traded. So that's all. I have to say about that but okay so the news that i'm going to share those who listened to the pod. You know that. I have done my own little. You know last minute through it together. Producing and hosting at the same time type livestreams. I'm still onto still learning livestreams. But i am here to let you know that we are going to do a wnba season tip off livestream a week from today seven to nine pm locked on women's basketball that's thursday may thirteenth from seven to nine pm. I will be hosting. I'm gonna bring on some people to talk all things. Wnba that is the eve of wnba. Twenty twenty one the twenty fifth season. So we are gonna have some special guests. We're gonna talk about all twelve teams. We're going to talk about what happened in the offseason. Free agency biggest news. We need to know all that jazz so again. That's thursday may thirteenth from seven to nine. Pm we're going to be using a system called re stream. I will keep you updated once. I have all of the final links and details to share but mark. Your calendars thursday may thirteenth from seven to nine. Pm locked on women's basketball hosts wnba. season tip. Season tip off livestream. Alright that will do for locked on women's basketball. This thursday may sixth twenty twenty one and for those keeping count myburgh thing is on may eighth. So i'm taking all of the the birthday manifestations blessings prayers and love and of course. I appreciate all of you who stay locked on women's basketball until next week the week that we get wnba action. This is your host. Eric indiana the yellow signing out. Get all the sports news. You need in under twenty minutes with the locked on today. Podcast hosts peterberg hausky updates. You on the latest news in every major sport with the help of our local experts. Follow locked on today. Podcast on the odyssey app. Or wherever you get podcasts.
W25: Breaking down the 72 players eligible for the 25th All-WNBA Anniversary Team
"On podcast network team every day all the sports news. You need every day in under twenty minutes. Follow locked on today today on the odyssey app or wherever you get your podcast thursdays on the lockdown. Mba podcast jackson. Gatland and matt moore have game recaps an analysis of the biggest nba headlines. Follow the lockdown. Nba podcast today. Wherever you get podcasts you are locked. On women's gleaming fastball van der podcasts on women's basketball block on women's basketball to follow me on social media that today's show. I am going to introduce you to the w twenty five official ballot now for those who may be new to the wnba every anniversary year So ten. I guess. I don't know if they did one for five year but ten years fifteen year the wnba has media members. Vote on the top ten top fifteen top twenty top now twenty five players in league history and on today's show. I'm going to break down the ballot. The players that were eligible. And then i'm going to give you the preliminary thought process that i went through to cast my ballot. Now the w twenty five will be unveiled sunday. September fifth so also next week this week. I'm going to introduce you to the process. We're going to go over the names on the list and some of the criteria that they meet and how many people ranked in all seven criteria. I think you'll be surprised to find that out. So that's coming up on the show. And then i'm going to explain to you how i took my next steps on tuesday show next week. I'm going to break down my process. I thought i had a pretty cut and dry process. It got a little funky. So i'll let you know. Why what i thought i was going to do and what i ended up doing was a little bit different and then on next thursday's show so a week from today i will unveil my top twenty five players in wnba history just before the unveil of the selection from this year. I think there are definitely some names that will be on the ultimate list. That are not on my list. I think that there will be names on the ultimate list that in the context of twenty five seasons. Maybe don't make as much sense. But i had an internal struggle so i'm usually pretty critical when it comes to voting. This was difficult. I'm going to be honest but let's get into what we are asked to do. And i don't think i can get into super specific details here but i definitely want to give you a little bit of background but first let's go into the history books. Let me let you know some of the players that have been honored before in the wnba top players. All right so we'll start with the wnba all decade team. This is a team that was chosen in two thousand. Six to signify the tenth anniversary of the w nba. Thirty nominees were available and there was media fan coach and player voting. So the all decade team consisted of sue bird to make a catching 's cynthia cooper dyke yolanda griffith lauren. Jackson lisa leslie. Katie smith don staley cheryl soups and tina thomsen honorable mentions included. Ruthie bolton shamikh holds claw teasha penetration diana to rossi and teresa weatherspoon and for the fifteenth anniversary. This is the list shubert to make a catching cynthia cooper. Dyke yolanda griffith becky hammon warren jackson. Lisa leslie teasha. Pennant charro cappon dexter. Katie smith don dailey cheryl swoops diana teresi. Tina thomsen teresa weatherspoon So we see that there's a decent amount of overlap from the top ten list that we went over from the all decade team the standouts and vat have been consistent throughout suber to make a catching cynthia. Cooper yolanda griffith lauren jackson lisa leslie and katie smith shirl soups as well as tina thomsen be wnba. Top twenty at twenty was the catch freeze for this year. You had simone augusta's sue bird. Swin cash to make a catching cynthia. Cooper dyke yolanda griffith becky hammon lauren jackson. Lisa leslie maya more. Deanna nolan candace parker teasha pennant shero cappon dexter katie smith shirl swoops diana terachi tina thomsen teresa weatherspoon and lindsay whalen. And in this case the twenty members were chosen by a fifteen member committee that included an meyers drysdale. Carol blazed hausky cheryl relieve michael cooper. that's a throwback van chancellor and and donovan who has since passed and fourteen of the fifteen players who were honored. Twenty eleven for the fifteenth anniversary. Were on the list Dawn staley was not on that list. As i just went through So interesting that's twenty at twenty and now we're going to have the w twenty five for the top fifteen again we have. The top is basically the same. A becky hammon joins the fray. Which i really like. I'm a huge becky. Hammon fan diana tracy makes the team outright teresa weatherspoon as well going into the twenty at twenty we see simone augusta's added to the list As well as swin cash. I liked the addition of swin cash. For sure my more on that twenty at twenty deanna nolan another addition. Now capi pun. Dexter made the fifteen at fifteen and is also a carryover for the twentieth twenty lindsay whalen joins the top twenty but sue bird. Really up there. Obviously it's alpha order but Bird is someone that we have seen throughout okay coming up next on the show as promised. I'm going to walk you through. This selection process what i was asked to do. I'm not really sure. If i'm supposed to share all of this but you know what i i feel like the rules have been kind of put out there so i'm just going to give you a little bit of the criteria and break that down. That's coming up next on locked on women's basketball all right so i'm going to be honest. This selection of my top twenty five players. All time was extremely stressful. I legitimately was sweating thinking of this. But thankfully i recently received my sweat block samples including the wipes talked about that on lockdown creggan on. 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Candidates had to meet seven at least four of the seven criteria. That are as follows have been the winner of at least one major individual postseason basketball related award or honor so that doesn't include like the dawn staley community awards things like that but it does include the kim perrot senior but it does include the sportsmanship award it also includes peak performers as a league leader in either points rebounds assists per game in an entire season rookie of the year counts six woman of the year council most improved defensive player. Mvp for the regular season or finals. Mvp that is the first criteria. The second criteria is that they have been selected to the all wnba first or second team at some point in their career that they had been selected to the all defensive first or second team is the third criteria fourth criteria have been selected to the wnba all-star game starter reserve or replacement player. All of it counts the fifth criteria. Been a member of a wnba championship. Winning team number six ranked as of july thirty first twenty twenty one among the top thirty career leaders in at least one major statistical category points rebounds assists steals etc and the seventh and final criteria been selected as the winner of the season long. Wnba community assist award. The wnba cares community. Assist award is ordered to one player. Each month of the season traditionally recognizes an individual who best reflects the wnba passion for making a difference in the community last year the entire league when the community assist award. So there we go. The community assist award does count so now i told you that they were seventy two players. I'm gonna read some of the names that we haven't already heard so genetic. Arcane oh janette. Arcane used to love watching genetic arcane play for the houston comets just electric and obviously won four titles with houston was. Most improved. Player was ranked. This episode is brought to you by disney plus disney plus hulu. Espn plus stream all your favorites. The disney bundle. Disney plus has low key and luca on hulu watch originals like american horror story and nine perfect strangers and espn plus has every match of spain's thrilling. Lalita get the disney bundled. Today for only thirteen. Ninety nine includes hulu ad-supported plan access content from each service separately terms apply. See the disney bundle. Dot com for details is ranked. Excuse me in the top forty all time in Shots per game was a first team. selection and was an all star ariel adkins new to the list. Oh excuse me. Genetic arcane meets four or excuse me genetic arcane meets five of the seven criteria aerial atkins meets four of the criteria currently ranked top forty all-time shots per game has wnba championship with washington has been an all star selection and has three total first or second team honors. All defensive that is and then we have shimon augusta's but we named her before elena beard meets six of the seven criteria. We know it's it's defense right. Four-time all-star selection has a wnba championship with la. Also on the list. Totally vella has a wnba championship with seattle. Won the sportsmanship award twelfth overall in total steals all time and defensive six time all defensive first or second rounder. Four of the six categories sue bird. We mentioned sue meets five of the six category criteria. Do wanna bonner meet. Six of the seven criteria has two championships of course with phoenix has been a second team. All defensive has been a four-time all-star two-time either first or second team all wnba. Rebecca brunson meets four of the seven criteria all-star current top forty ranking and w nba championship. Along with an all defensive selection. Liz can beige also meets for the seven criteria all-star all nba all wnba team currently top forty and major end of year season award. That was the peak performer scoring leader. Swin cash. they come swin cash. We've talked about twins. She meets six of the seven criteria to make a catching also with six of the seven criteria. Tina chow with five of seven. All defensive all star all wnba team current top forty ranking and a major individual end of season award. Mvp baby eight-time all-star. I could go on about tina. But we don't have time for all that nafisa collier meets four of the seven criteria all defensive all star team all wnba and major end of year award. Rookie of the year was in All wnba second team selection. Two time all-star excetera big coupe raise the roof for coupe meets five of the seven criteria. Elena delon also with five of the seven criteria has a championship has been an mvp two times over. Also rookie of the year can't forget that. So really racking up there erica. The cells up love that erika desouza wnba championship with la currently all time. Top forty rebounds per game total blocks fourteen. Let's go schuyler digging. Smith i got to see scarlett digging smith last night in new york and yes she was putting on a show and yes she now. I tweeted something. I tweeted that. She was kind of trolling the new york liberty bench. She definitely was trolling. The new york liberty bench but She didn't say anything. She just was holding her three ball stance and just mean mugging grilling grilling the sideline just so happens. That jasmine jones is injured. Unable to play against phoenix. Anyway sips team moving on to. Mika dixon meets four of the seven criteria katie douglas. Five of the seven criteria cheryl ford six of seven criteria including three championships with the g. Detroit shock loved to see it. Sylvia fowles sylvia fowles. I saw tweet saying we need to put sylvia thousand. Mvp conversation sweet. Sil is a silent assassin. But she put on for minnesota the other night sylvia fowles six of the seven criteria met jennifer gillam. Love this four of the seven criteria met including the parole sportsmanship award chelsea gray. The point god has four of the seven criteria obviously won a championship with los. Angeles is a four-time all-star selection and is thirty fourth overall in total assists and thirteenth overall in assists per game yolanda griffith six of the seven criteria. I'm gonna move a little bit quicker through these brittany. Griner six of the seven criteria becky hammon four of the seven criteria. Remember becky has already made one of these all. wnba teams tiffany hayes. Also with four of the seven you love to see it. Currently ranks top forty among all players points per game at thirty one holds cloth four of the seven criteria natasha howard. Six of seven criteria. Lauren jackson six of seven criteria. I loved this one. Brienne january four of seven criteria asia jones for seven cri- criteria. John quincy jones five of seven criteria. Crystal langhorne also five of seven kara lawson for of seven including a championship with a sacramento monarchs. Betty lennox four of seven criteria on a championship with seattle. Lisa leslie noar. You'll ever to time. Wnba champion with the los angeles sparks also is a three time. Mvp two-time final mvp two-time events player of the year and a peak performer. In rebounding three seasons dirt. Okay lisa you better go off or she did go off. Jewell loyd meets five of the seven criteria to titles of course with the seattle storm and rookie of the year. A a rookie of the year award angel mcconnachie meets five of the seven criteria like tina charles. She's missing out on that championship though. We'll see who can get there. I unfortunately mccaw tree out again. With injury taj mcwilliams franklin six of seven criteria including two wnba titles one with the shock one with the minnesota lynx. Ama- envy meese amon who will not return this season to the washington mystics but meets four of the seven criteria a finals. Mvp a championship. Obviously with washington blocks per game is top forty at number thirty three deletion milton jones. Four seven criteria meant. Let's gow renee. Montgomery let's go for of seven criteria met including two championships with minnesota speaking of the minnesota lynx. Yet can't say minnesota without maya moore. She meets six of the seven criteria including four total championships with minnesota. That's fantastic deanna nolan. Six of the seven criteria including three championships with the detroit shock gay album while a four of the seven criteria is a scoring leader or has been the scoring leader was all wnba. First team has been all star was in the race for rookie of the year. But that's a whole nother story. I'm gonna skip around here wendy palmer. For of seven candace parker six of seven teasha penetrate through six of seven. Jia perkins for seven criteria. Met planet pearson. Four of seven criteria met cappon pond. Dexter we've talked about her before six of the seven criteria nicole powell who wanna title with sacramento. Most improved player is top forty in total steals at thirty eight for of seven criteria met epiphany prince for of seven criteria men including getting that chip with seattle where she's back ruth riley four of seven criteria met including two titles with the detroit shock with bad boy bill and beer on the bench danielle robinson five of seven criteria met katie smith. Six of seven criteria meant brianna stewart. Six of seven criteria met sarah cheryl soups also six of seven criteria. Meant we already know for titles with houston defensive player of the year my goodness two times fantastic diana rossi. Five seven criteria met penny taylor. Four of seven criteria nikki teasingly five of seven criteria met tina thomsen. Four of seven criteria met christie tall over five of seven criteria. Met courtney vander sloot teresa weatherspoon for of seven criterium at each lindsay. Whalen already been on one of these lists so has teaspoon. Five seven criteria met elizabeth williams love to see it for seven criteria. Meant along with natalie williams. Now that's going back. Asia wilson five of seven criteria. Already meant and so fia young malcolm for of seven criteria. Meant i said. I skipped one. I skipped a name because this is the name of the only person who has met. Every single criteria on the list is a a seven of seven in. The categories has all defensive. Team honors is an all-star all wnba team currently top forty and is top forty in. Let me just break this down for you. Tonal points at thirty points per game at eighteen. Total rebounds twenty three rebounds per game fifteen total steals tied for thirty fifth and steals per game. Twenty one has been a community. Assist award winner is a wnba champion. Six time all star five time all defensive five-time all wnba and an mvp two-time rot sportsmanship winner and a rookie of the year. That is the one the only neka ag- mckay let that breathe for dramatic effect. There are gold medalists. There are two five time gold medalists on this list. One that's been on every all wnba selection team ten year fifteen year twenty year and for some reason usa basketball couldn't find a place for the only person in wnba history to meet all of the criteria for the all wnba team. Well coming up next on locked on women's basketball. I will break down my process to try and get to my twenty-five and as i said thought it was going to be straightforward turned out. Not so much. 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Two names out of seventy two fifty two players. That i was like i just gotta have. I will say though out of that fifty two let me see one too so nine out of fifty two were question marks people that i was like you know maybe maybe from there. I was like okay. These are the players. That i gotta have that. I gotta have him. I came up with another. I came up with thirty two names. So i went from fifty two ish two to thirty two so i brought it down to thirty two. Must have names then from there. I started looking at the athletes that only had four of seven criteria. Men and i started to decide whether i felt that some of those four or four of seven onlys deserve to be bumped and it was tough. It was really really tough But then i caught. I caught a snag. You know. Because i just. I wasn't sure that i liked that as my personal criteria. So i'm going to give you the twenty or excuse me the thirty two names and then on next week's show Will break down those thirty two a little bit more closely. Neka goumas mccain. More cynthia cooper cheryl soups teasha. Peniche swin cash. Sue bird brianna stewart asia wilson sylvia fowles taj mcwilliams franklin Deletion milton jones planet pearson. Honda griffith becky hammon. Jewell loyd lauren jackson to meet you catching tina charles. Cappon dexter teresa weatherspoon brittany griner. Dying to rossi. Katie smith. brian january candace parker christie. Tolliver cara lawson cheryl ford doina bonner angel country and john quayle jones. Now i thought long and hard about some of the new names on the list and it's hard to put them up against someone who's career is done. But ultimately i believe in the promise and the trajectory of players like john kwan jones in particular dewana bonner has had a fantastic career brand january. Gosh i love brand. January's style of play thinks she's criminally underrated in the wmba. And then from here. I had to make some determinations the criteria set by the wnba and by the ballot. Was i going to go by my eye test which i strongly and firmly believe in also tried to consider players. Honestly like doina monir is able to get Six of that criteria in part because as far as the championships. Anyway i mean playing with diana's rossi penny taylor bringing greiner You know. I had to take that into consideration for me. I think an individual can have a fantastic career and not necessarily be a champion i think. Mvp voting is definitely skewed for post players. So i thought about that when picking guards but this was hard. This was super hard. And if anyone tells you otherwise they our ally. This was difficult folks. I'm gonna break it down even more next week on locked on women's basketball. Let me know how you like this. I know it's basically me just reading a bunch of names But this is kind of important how people go about this top twenty. Five i think is super important So that's the show. It's a little bit of a different show. And it's going to be like this for the next two episodes i did. I had to do a lot of work kind of explaining how things work. What we've seen in the past so the next two shows that i will host here unlocked on women's basketball. I'll get to a little bit more of the news that we're seeing current and then give you my analysis and right breakdown. I mean we have britney griner went down with an injury. I alluded to this schuyler. Digging smith given some sas to new york city we've got partnerships that have announced. We've got a big playoff push including that. I'll give this to you before we leave. But we've got three teams. That have already clinched a playoff berth. That's connecticut son. Who's at the top of the table. Eighteen and six the las vegas aces seventeen and seven and the seattle storm at eighteen and eight. With new york's loss yesterday. They are hanging on by a thread to that. Seven spot dallas on their heels. New york is eleven and fifteen. We see minnesota in the mix. Again sweet still had such a great game. Minnesota on a two game win streak but again phoenix mercury. You can't contain it and it's lethal. That's that team. They're fourteen and ten and they are currently on a five game win streak. The only team that is hotter right now is the connecticut sun coming off of that. Really rough commissioner's cup game. They are six and to start the second half of the season. So we're gonna get into that. We'll have more time. But i hope you enjoyed me breaking down and giving some transparency behind the voting for w twenty-five next week. I'm going to tell you and talk through and i don't know maybe try to justify how i made some selections. It was difficult. I left off some people that i felt very strongly about. I left off some people that i know people are going to give me slack for not including but you know what at the end of the day. It's my ballot. It's my list. And who knows i might be wrong. There's probably a few names that i have. That won't be on the finalist and vice versa. So you know what we're just gonna have to all tune in on september fifth to find out how it goes and you know what let's do a green room. I haven't done spotify green room in a while show. Let's go on spotify green room and we can check on ballot versus the final selections in real time as always. I appreciate you listening to lockdown women's basketball and not just my show but everyone else that we have on locked on women's basketball podcast. Tomorrow you'll hear from the greek howard mendel for now this is signing out the do dopp teams in baseball battle. It out for ten in a row. Here's what our local experts are locked on today. 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"Welcome back to learn storage with Mary. My name's maybe English you can find me at W. W. Dot Dot Com Stockily K. O. U. K. Ashtray roller serve bizarre with a big site. In it must be seven knowing me turn my volume taxes in Boston. You head off ten that down take wish that means I call myself so we need to just somehow now I hope you're well. I need to have some shoutouts today. And these are shutouts to the people at joined me for the Zoom Little Mini Conference. I had about comic astrology and I did. That would fight this week. So it's shoutout to becky LOUISA SHY RACHEL ALEXA ELIZABETH UTAH. Anne re cow Narrow me me Fatimid Nikki. Becca and Dina thank much joining me And I am going to do another one so I will. What's can put willing to my facebook page because under nounce on there haven't even approach by what I'm GonNa do yet because there's something needs telling you now for the month of June this year six planets. Going to be wet graded not one not two not not four not five but six planets so. I thought it'd be a great idea if we had on show on an episode someone that knows far more about ridgway planets me so we're going to be interviewing next Sunday. 'cause today's Sunday there that I be Sunday. Or whatever is repertory so I'm going to into this pass and it'll be Sunday the seven to keep your eyes is is. We'll get report with rise at pay for the episode because a person concerned is an expert on retrograde planets. Now the reason being because we would have to discussion about this is because he doesn't have any metric white planets in his shot and I've got I think three of four people and his name's Gregory Rose Sake and teams to. Poland is a Polish astrologer. He is self taught on self. I think he's a short stipulation somewhat. Comfortable was he said and he's going to be talking in depth so it during a holdup so don't twain pounds. Because I want you to be able to understand what tweed permits as tune comes into effect. Now we have also discussed pre chance that The thing about a polk causes people just twit live. Sometimes people listen two weeks after the episode has been made so therefore will it be relevant to them and this will be perpetually relevant but there is a specific astronautical meet is in the month of June. We're going to have to punish and they don't normally that many planets retrograde all at once now what prompted it was I was rather late in writing. June's I do monthly stars for a publication of both actually sat prints the moment because the nocturne continue to do the stars me if my newsletter happen to not for twenty five plus years probably longer remember. I'm Amazon was doing it. I was looking to June's planet's about that. Planets registered that planets which weighed. Oops that punish Wedgewood. Oops that I did. Six EPS votes idea. We need to do an episode on Richard Permits. So we're going to have gregory on and he's going to chat about it now. What he wanted me to convey to you with expression he's going to be using and something he's going to be talking about when he comes to talk about record penalties and we need to talk about perfection professions. Now I have an check my phone after pause for minutes. Yeah I need to apologize profusely to a young lady called Lisa because it was on the thirtieth of May she Ost asked me. Hello Mary Hope One have lobby. Mother's Day I started hearing about perfection years and I was wondering if you'd like to go over that and an episode less forgotten that you would you have done one slipped my mind from what I've gathered. I'm going through the fourth perfect Shia which didn't didn't resonate with until I realized that. Ever since December twenty nine hundred folks on trying to clean up organized my room. Apartment finally declutter are practically never been able to get things. Donate a large portion of things every mile often. I think my family's bit re and hopefully this week slash month plunge go three children things and help my family declassify totally Santa Four situation now. I replied by to her alive. I HOPE INSANITY SNOTTY by Said. Thank you for your email. I haven't covered perfection as its hellenistic and I don't practice Chris. Brennan is the one to ask about that. So and that was it I letter. That's it I'm not going to be covering anything to do with hellenistic astrology. Because I don't practice that. I am at the precise moment in time. Having to eat my words because today's episode is going to cover professions. Now Gregory dos me whether or not your astrological knowledge would be up for this and miles. That is yes is because if I could go spit me you can. I don't have any major qualifications you know. I'm not academically blessed and my knowledge of things. I with something I I have an investment in the dummies books. So I need to make sure that when I learned something I learned from the youngest age possible and then I can expended others such as much beyond stuntman and if I can understand projections then I think that would be good now. What before I get into a perfectionist. I want to tell you because Perfectionist hellenistic are Gregory. Uses it and I just because I also was about hellenistic astrology. Nobody was particularly into it until Chris. Benhamou is wonderful book bouncer and his astrology podcast but isn't and hasn't been widely practiced a now. If you Google the word and you to storage in you'll have heaps of websites come back if you look at old texts of a staunch say older. I mean going back to her eighteen hundred. That's right yes. You're not going to find a lot about it and it was one of those things. It'll be locked already astrology. This a defend off the edge of the world this is she moved the world's flat which is now and so I'm doing protections and Lauridsen that's a form of strategy that to beat to be perfectly frank. I find a little bit too Unnecessarily complex and I like to keep my Georgie simple so wall. I'm discussing this in this particular episode. When become to be with Gregory next week we will definitely be keeping things easy and having a love discussion about Red Planets but because he uses perfection himself in the time thing. It'll a restaurant I want to explain to. You has come from the east reasonably recent. So it's a resurgence. A Rene sons if you was away put and just time things together now. The INDIKA GENERATION. Who are told about before about twenty one missiles mentioned on there. I have now made the Audio Book of the strategy of individuals is a kindle book to it and it's just beliefs now for back the indigo girls were born when you're in a Neptune but conjuncture that very very interested in the storage astrology has had a nascent. And as I've pointed out in that original article which I wrote in the Nineteen Nine. Ts thinks correct. The indigo generation. A previous one were born during the renaissance so people Rafael Michelangelo Blah Blah Blah. They were born during a Yunus. Neptune conjunction kate. So it seems to me as and don't forget Chris. Brennan is an Indigo Gregory. Who will be speaking to next weekend is also an indigo the indika generation of very good at going back to something from the past modernizing it and making it useful for today now. Because I don't have that in my chart I haven't made use of that in any great way so we need to give credit to the people that have but it just happens. The reason I haven't learnt about perfection and more began to be learning about today is because all the books. I've read all studying that I have done started in the nineteen nineties and don't forget that's when the generation starts to be born projections and hellenistic astrology. Excetera hadn't had the nascent that it has had now hope that makes sense so what I'd like to share with you today. Two things I'm going to go through a little bit about the history of Georgy how it got from a Babylon Babylonia. Whatever two Webby? Today's it's just a very very short exit from the book astrology. Mammoth the magic by Christopher. Mcintosh have quite a few of his books before. He's a wonderful Historian and he identifies still prices Georgie. But he is luckily said quote from his book at then. I'm going to give you some more about a perfectionist. Because what we need to recognize is that yes. It's been taken up in a big way. Google. You can find it but to love people. Think that because it's on Google. Oh it must have been there for years. It hasn't until Chris wrote his book. Trust me. I've been discharged for a long time. Nobody talks about projections and the whole system that he is talk about. We are going to talk about just the time. Lords and what Lisa has mentioned in had e email is new but old yes so it's a little segment of ancient astrology. That has been ported to where we are now. Twenty twenty and people are using it with me email. So let's just start with a history because the hellenistic astrology and hellenistic is just a flash flood full Greek while the call. It had didn't get that far me said she and trade about that. Time is a federal law to me. I Don hype announcements P. L. E. M. Y. Puts ME FAMOUS GREEK CHAMP? He was terribly interested in and morphed it slightly from the Babylonians or up to he Converted extent forget the original astrologists study that they produced was just the kings and Queens and the and the rich stuff because it took a long time. It was very complex and they didn't do stuff for the man in the street. But by the time astrology had Sued now transported itself across water to other countries other countries dealt with in different ways. But it's the excuse to history here because we need to discuss the history. Because you won't be able to find any ancient recent books about it. Okay so I say when I'm studying strategy. None of the books trust meet none of books on under strategy from an article. Lots of books of astrology and some pre owned ones actually Quite quite from on those written in the seventeen. Hundreds didn't mention projections. So sure he's Stodgy In Babylonia where astrology began. Astrological knowledge was regarded as important part of a man's education. It is set for example as a proof of the indolence of King. Manasseh the T. Sore no star nor seeing it took note. The less educated classes worshiped the stars in a crude way looking at them as deities but everyone was familiar with the planet. Trine constellation figures which appeared on a variety of artifacts from seal cylinders to boundary stones. But below newstalk G wasn't I used only to predict gender events such as natural disasters wars rebellion. And the like but about the time of Alexander Co Quest About Area Fourth Century BC. Individual horoscopes began to be cost. Although the Babylonian system set the pattern for the development of a storage in the West there were other countries practicing that type of astrology now Fulton the pre Columbian Civilizations Central and South America for example had assistant strategy as is suggested by pastoral letter written Sixteen Ninety Eight by Catholic bishop referring to astrological practice amongst quiche Indians. They believe the Bishop writes that. The birth of men is regulated by the of the Stars and Planets the observed the time of day and the month which child is born and predict the conditions of its life and destiny bid favorable and unfavorable and the worst of it is that these averted men have written down their signs and rules so as to deceive the ring and the ignorant chopping the mind. The mayor has set priest. Astronomers Rob Light those about Bologna who observed the movements at the heavy bodies from the tops of Pyramids Venus was one of the planets they most revered and they worked at a calendar vits movements over three hundred and eighty four year period. They also believed to have had they are also believed to have had a so deck consisting of thirteen signs instead of twelve. A form of astrology was also practiced among the Aztecs. Most of the clues to these systems. Were like so much else. Swept Away by the missionary. Zeal of the Spanish conquest. Doors and little trace of them remains today it was from the South East Europe and Mesopotamia that the mainstream of astrology flowed the Babylonian Science was taken to gleese but policed cooled bus borough. Saas who set up an astrological school on the Greek on the Cox Astrology Founder Radio Dancing Greece particularly amongst the stomachs. Who already had ideas about celestial forces and the influence of destiny Greek mathematics also helped to strengthen strategy in all the countries that came under Greek influence astrology made itself felt in Egypt King Plots be the third. Who's not related? This was talked about. It was inter responsible for the naming of a new constellation is quite soon after his marriage. He had to go to war in Syria and his wife. Veronese took a foul. The only he would return safely she would. Cutoff is renowned for its beauty. When she heard that the king was returning she kept her ow and me was furious when he returned home to a hairless wife in order to Betas. Anger the priests declared that the hair had mysteriously disappeared during the night and had transformed itself into a new constellation in the sky. Proximity must have believe the story for to this day the constellation of coma baroness or the hair of. Bernie's can be seen in the sky. Egypt also gave birth to the man who could be described as the fall of astrology. Cloudiest plaza me no relation to the game he lived at Alexandra and his two. Most influential works will Alma Jest and the Ted Club be loss now that book the Tech Bit blows. I've put a PDF on this podcast. She can thank me for that because in their it mentions about professions the full roster electrical the Latin so the former was astronomical. That's the alchemist. And the latter logical that tech trip bit blas which remained the Bible of astrology for many centuries was the most complete manual of the subject yet written it contained a justification for the belief implant influence as what is detailed instructions for interpreting positions in the horoscope part of the book deals with General or universal storage related to countries geographical areas the natives of those countries which lie to the East said possibly excel encourage acting boldly and openly under all circumstances for in all that characteristics that principally conformed to the sons nature which is oriental diurnal masculine and dexter inhabitants of Britain and Germany. He states that they have a greater share of familiarity with aries and Mars and accordingly wilder bolder and more ferocious one of the ways in which is twenty developed by the Greeks was t was its use in medicine in averting. Diseases and ailments. Care had to be taken during so-called. Climb MAC terrific years that is to say years which would particularly critical in a person snap. They use could be calculated from the HOROSCOPE. Today the would climb to. Rick is used is still used to refer to a critical period in lifetime. There was also this. Sorry that was also built up a complex series of associations between signs and planets on the one hand and parts of the body amenities on the upper more. Actually I practice that. So a live in deciding remedies recourse was done had to the writings of the mythological. Egyptian King Net net chip so who had supposedly received disastrous knowledge from his priest. Pet Tree pet pepito. Serious Peto Service. The stories told the to net chaps owes remedies patient without success. He was about to declare chess. Bow and pasta when the good are asklepion patron of medicine appeared to him and explain the let to observe the proper times places for picking his medicine. All plans hemlock for example was produced by the evil influence Mars if Picton Italy was poisoned since it was governed by Scorpio which is will by Mars. And you know that Scorpio Momma's that's before policemen's invented in Crete on the other hand hemlock access a secure because the influence of is lessened by that such terrorist signboard in Crete. As for the time when plant should be picked. It was important to know that when the sun is in aries the virtues of all plants and their subsidiary plants for increased. Furthermore one should pick a plant on the day and our correspondent the plants ruling planet example. Hemlock should be picked on a cheese day. The day ruled by Mars. So firmly to destroy g take hoped came to be incorporated into other forms. Defamation for example interpreted dreams developed the theory that dreams true undecided signs of the so deccan force onto others palmists gave astronautical names to the different parts hand. Will that still the case because I did do some Palmer tweet? Videos on my facebook page will be weeks gray from Greece. Astrology passed onto Rome where it gathered in even larger following as. What is stirring up some store position long segment there about it being in Rome and It got up to that one boy with the process. Not Boy but don't have time on a custom beat everything so one of the practice that became widespread joined. Roman payment was already astrology. Said that's survived and this loss of books and I've mentioned that is to say the useless to answer questions relating to a specific event while into a person's birth charts. This is what last few weeks remember down to five absorbed in the air force. Seven nine thousand is storage named pouches was asked what happened to a ship that dissipate on a voyage between Alexandria and Egypt and SMYRNA in Asia. Minor his answer was that the ship had encountered defining storm but it escaped inasmuch as Venus and the Moon but beheld by PGA. The ship's company said would possible one ship to another because these send within a double sign. It's not cool Interpretation is correct. Another use of astrology was elections a term referring to advice given by shortages the most auspicious time beginning and undertaking an account of a bad piece of advice being given related to pouches. Who tells the story of a man made Lynch's who tried to establish himself as emperor in opposition to the existing an PREC- know who ruled from constant constantinople? Those who made the election much fancied the rising of the Sun Jupiter Mars with Mercury circum- success didn't to them and the good aspects of the moon to Saturn and Jupiter. But it did not pay attention the fact that mercury would of the day and the next evening hours in evil case the result was that then cheers and his Lieutenant Hilas defeated by the emperor's armies and forced to putting the blame on the astrologer they his head and hung the body from the battlements of the castle law so astrology continued to flourish Rome even after Christianity came up in the Arab world however assured you kept very much alive although the Muslim religion didn't officially encourage torch. You is more tolerant towards it in the Christian Church so he got mentioned here various different Arab astrologists and not be the The episode that I did about Astrolabe nazi-era strategist geniuses. By the time of the renaissance astrology was firmly entrenched in European thought and practice. Mika back a bit so we got Arab they were also centers. In other countries. Italy had chairs for storage yet. Bologna Padua Milan. The showed you also began to creep into leached again. Dante's divine comedy. Free cell contains much as symbolism Then it goes through Denise in Europe very different philosophies hate it gradually however as the age of enlightenment. The attitude towards astrology began to change during the skeptical eighteenth century went into a decline by then. Few people considered to even worth refuting few writings of any note to produce during the eighteenth century and things were made very difficult for the staunches and addition to being scorned by the intelligence yet they were outlawed by the vagrancy act of seventeen. Thirty six inches talked before when I talked about Palmistry but short she survived this lean period nafta century so of eclipse began to come back into vogue by the beginning of the nineteenth century. Whole new literati public had emerged so literate public emerged and a new top of storage beginning to appear. The ear of mass. Astrology was on. Its way which is why we are now. Now the Hellenistic Slash Greek Minorities Plaza me in this Tetra Blossom Evoke A. Perfection is as follows. So there's a whole thing about lauds and all the rest of it but imagine so I will put a charts out to describe this. Set me scratch on. Hold on a minute. Pause for second. So the literal translation of the Web perfectionist out Gupta as far as the Latinos and it means strong but for the purposes of hence guitar. It's about moving. The chart for would sit just basically means moving into a bit like When we're doing progressions now when we're talking with Gregory next week we are going to be mentioning progressed charts so you will need to go back to episode twenty three and Twenty Four. Brush up on that. You will also need to go back to episode ninety seven to the whole sign method and I'm going to demonstrate this perfection. Anything with we are using the chart for Nina. She has wanted in the process. Cheeser again and we've made a talk with whole sign and the moment her Her sentence capital now. The whole thing that she's asking about in Hurry Michigan so she's talked about that that rule. Now that this is a joint actually hate the term Hate the term Lord in a storage much use up quite happy to use. It's less Wherever right so she has all st- so Nina was skiing some might put took. Lisa was asking bump up above. Upham going forth house perfection. E-eh now the way that I understood it because you might have to go to the table ending to Chris. Brandon's poke cost about perfection. So looking at Nina's chart we've got capcom descendant and she's now twenty eight years old so cheating and looking at Chris. Brendan's wonderful perfection. We'll twenty eight years old will tell us from the ascendant. We need to be looking at her. Fourth House quite rightly has cleared out her house et Cetera. Because it tells us on there it'll be the fourth house now. I'm sixty years old and as you can see on there it's because Aqua Lou ascendant than this the Sun will be the important thing in my child. WanNa get to sixty and in Nina's case. The Fourth House is important. Because she's got to the year twenty eight and in her. Nato full House is The sign of Aries and aries is ruled by moths. So she needs to be doing something active. Which is what she's done. Have a clear out at home so I hope that makes sense. So we if we cheap the whalers last night which house is because on the wheel. 'cause he's doing the maximum charged on the calculator and slouch absolute live. And you're always going to start with the Senate now the reason he hasn't put Sohn's to connect with the bloody thing. It'd be enormously complex. You START WITH. Your ascendant is zero. That's where I got fused because I start with the sentence making it one anyway So when you get to twelve it's back to the ascendant again Zero in your first year okay. Yes so I see how the numbers have done. That's that's what I was worrying about. I presume when you get past your birthday it have coincide with a which had to be off to Beth. Because that's the thing if if I were to die now I would die. Being Sixty old Hadi died in February. This year would have been fifty nine. Because I haven't hit my birthday even though we're into the twenty twenty goal she was born nineteen sixty. She must be. She must wouldn't not legally because I hadn't passed my birthday. So I think about these premium poor but anyway you'll have to check to Hellenic on storage about. I don't know the answer. But that's just a basic things. So the the the each year the They'll be a number associated with it and in Nina's case. Her number is her age. Which is twenty eight. So she hasn't had a yet but when we get to a birthday cashews. Some sign Leo so often her birthday and from that birthday to the fore wing birthday next year then the fourth house is going to be the important thing actually going to email Chris and find out as the cases after the pasta which because you could be born December that say it'd be stuffed it. Anybody be for month. Initiative was appointed now. Hope that helps teeny bit. Let you know whatever age you all which depending on what your because it starts with. Your ascendants is every twelve years. You'll be just got waffling now if we go back to. Nina's chart she's born with Capcom condescending sir. I signed because we do in house on. Have I sign Cancun? So when she gets to to is quite as much catch three spicy by never just four. It's areas by Maserati to get fi- it's Tours will by Venus. Forget to six is Gem Alabama Crete and so on so at six years old. We need to see where Mercury Transit Tina Chow Jammie progresses. My God wind up get away from the Computer Hampton. We doing next week but I think I have that remind so. It's every year starting when your zero working round astrologically from your ascendant. Now I'm so used. My child's needs Sampras was which is download a Nita's save it adjoins so do unto memories tonight Skit Moines Up. I got on either Lam. Are We doing Hosein k? So my ascendant is Leo. I'm now sixty years old so I need to be looking at the sun and is going to be transiting post. Everything in my child sets the bits. Mt So I need to pay attention to where the sun is this year. And I've had my birthday a where's the son of the moment sons moon can be immune. Israel sets quite lush. I would've thought in just stole Geeta. I understand that the best to your table so when I get to now to they see on each be paying attention to the is now. I do that anyway because India was send but because I'm now sixty and I've had a five twelve to sixty six. The maps again devoid devoid twelve. Oh my God. Sixty devoid twelve is going to be sixty divided by it. As five I thought was five. I've had five circuits of this perfection thing and so in this now the question. I want to ask. Nobody's zones this for me. Did show years star on your birthday after side of return or is it the say geographical year mathematically one would assume be authority would be off you so it's yes already turned sixty so for the rest of this? March until March next year is going to be a some near me. La La la La la so I had them every. Twelve years is not nice but if you got capital near then you're rooting county. It's got to be set. Yes if you don't even ship so I want to go back to at piss sewed Rulers charters wanted that we nearly all noted Louisville specs questions industry to accomplish in the next few minutes to just a SEC episode. Sixty such make. The when Gregory mentions projections. He's talking about system. Whereby if you use the whole house system and you start with the ascendant each year of your life will be ruled by particular planet and you would need to pay attention to what is up to okay now popcorn and if this wrong you know more about this than me than please contact. Lisa. I hope that's onto your question as well are And I'll leave it there because I'm not an expert in this and I know what happens the more talk about something the mall It'll be not correct so we're going to be doing next week. We're going to be doing retrograde plummets so I think I've only covered rich eggs in episode twenty eight of them retrograde comets and I remember five on about MC Grey says just pause again correct greatest episode eighty five. So you need to listen back to twenty eight and eighteen five. I'm Mike Kwaidan once narped Korean at different song from the sons Eventuated again the this particular episode is going to be about all the planets retrograde and I will also when the episode happens. Put the link to Gregory's autographed and it's a. It's a fantastic article. He was awarded was awarded an award by the Astros concession. A Great Britain when he wrote T. It's a fantastic piece of research. So I'll see you next week. We'll have gregory check about Retrograde planets they'll be a segment and when he talks about perfection a bit about perfection. We want to know more. Please go to Chris. Brandon's websites destroyed depot cost he wrecks per. But just keep in mind. This is an inverted comment come invented. Komo's more modern fame and there are not a lot of books written about just recently been published. It's a form of historic GIBBES. Invented by a boat. Said the Babylonians didn't talk about it. This is you've of me Fella. His invention and then it died out. Particular method survived is our practice. But this is the road fine tool of Incheon Technically sweat it. Nothing is going to do now. I did a assume shattered at the pink that tend to think for much coming I will do. I'm going to do another one. I'M NOT GONNA assume I've got free freshly because I pay for so many different. Pay This podcast by the way the money to do anything else. So I'm going to do a skype am there's now a New Zealand skype skype. Meet up so you don't need even download GARP EUBOEA to join it and I will put the details of that on my facebook page now. Probably play around with the one day next week and I the first one was about comedy And it just just went through two quick. I might just do as little. Meet up chance so the arcade from you. What it is that you'd like to know more about actually So we'll just have. I think we'll just have a friendly mater. And what would you literally do it as a meet up and chat? I think that'd be quite cute because we're just coming out of lockdown now here in the UK cut his chaos. I've never seen so many sockets my whole I went out with my husband this morning and we stopped at a beauty spot to have a cup of tea and we do we take w fool BLANCHARD DOOR. These absurd him. Beauty spot overlooking An expensive water and I have never seen so. Many socked is my whole life as we took driving the country. Now now nobody under sound. Do you see a few sock is but you see the ones that are all the kids on and the tight lied crow in the hats and everything in that given it some wobbles in the back on that seeds but these were families out cycling and the government is said that they can give people fifty pound grant bicycles out of the wardrobe. Have that garage. It's it's something pointed Sonoma's amount of people at socked diversity. We don't have bicycle because we got a dog and I people do have Thompson bicycles yet. Most talk for socking she's embracing Dogo Map Darby. We just off to race and yet there were so many sock lists. It was called funny so I think many chats hop on skype some meet me over. Just come over to my facebook page and I will put the details on there and put the date and the time because I haven't decided that yet on needs checking my dog but the probably it will definitely be in the afternoon because otherwise uselessness com joining and it will probably be the next week which is making commitment. Mary thirsty we're going do and it's going to be able to skype. No apologies for the habit thing this similar Zuma would you try to ask the Nice? Why US company anyway and we'll probably good times American going to do three three o'clock to four o'clock Thursday the fourth. But if you want to join me you are have to email be married at Mary. English occur UK. I'm not putting any links out. Anyone even facebook page. I'm to advertise beat-up sessions booze. I just don't want to have a the word is joining. Want to speak to you. I don't in fact I want to hear from you. Want to hear from you with your learning and how you getting on. So have we back next week Greg? We talked about rhetoric pants because for the whole of June this year. There's going to be six. Rhetoric planets is a once in a lifetime. Thing doesn't happen all the time. And if you're in the UK and you're contemplating with with what you should go back to work Monday. Send the kids back to school or anything like that. As far as I'm concerned and sister I would wait until June is finished. Those retrograde planets have stopped by tweeting. That mine advice have a week week bill.
In VOGUE: The 1990s | Episode 7: Queering Culture
"Brought to you by lego. Travel the world from your living room with lego from stunning city skylines to epoch historical landmarks. Get lost as you explore your dream. Destinations and favorite places with legos hats made to transport any one feeling wanderlust. Let your mind travel at lego dot com slash adults anti your smart speaker to open lego moment to indulge in his spring free escape. Lego adult in march nineteen ninety. Madonna released her now iconic music. Video were shot in black and white steady beat and a glamorous played underscoring statuesque men and impeccably tailored suits their faces was strikingly regal and poised as madonna sang the chorus. Come on bo. Let your body move to the music. She and impeccably dressed background dancers mcgann to bogue along to the beat for many americans. This video was the first time that they'd seen gay. Culture display so artistically so lovingly in a mainstream benue madonna performed the song around the world on her blown. Damn bishen world tour. Ultimately performing vogue routine the mtv video music awards in french eighteenth century court cost you. She and her backup dancers. Some recruited from the york underground ballroom scene received a standing ovation. This performance became one of the most well known of her correa. The next night she performed it again for the aids project los angeles commitment to life benefit. It was nineteen ninety and the already legendary. Madonna had elevated the ballroom scene to global mtv origins but the world was soon to find out queer. I had already been influencing the mainstream for decades especially in fashion. It's just gone on acknowledged. Quinn was an open secret. The fashion forward elephant in the room. But years of homophobia and a don't ask don't tell mentality was upended when the aids crisis forced the fashion world address. The that was devastating. It's very people by the nineties. Queer culture who turned political. It was impossible to ignore that brought in a new era of freedom and visibility for the quick community that have been influencing our culture for decades. Welcome to invoke the one thousand nine hundred ninety s a podcast about a pivotal time that ashtray. In a new era in fashion and in culture. Join us as we examined the defining moments of the decade that shape fashion as we know it. Today we'll hear from fashion leaders cultural icons and vogues own editorial team. I'm ana winter. I am spos- folks international large and your host. I was sixteen years old. Maybe a year or two younger than only if in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight jose gutierrez was dumps choreographer. A member of the house of extravaganza dragon ballroom collective based in harlem. They put on shows in rented danz holes and they're spectacular performances. We're getting lots of attention. Then in december nineteen eighty-eight issue. Jose and the other members of the house of extravaganza with next to naomi campbell and carry out his shot battery park battery park city. It was a beautiful day and we just shooting outside and it was so grand joe so everything you know like everything like legit you know crowds down to around so watch the lights of nato me right next to us. You know runway sashaying by the waterfront. It was just one sentence full and there was a group shot of the house. The house of extravaganza we were being our true selves. They put us in all this colorful attire. In quilted satin coats designers viktor costume and carol cohen sequined top for mandy camper and ostrich feather boroughs by genetic cast in the house of extravaganza stood behind the models looking like a decadent fashionable entourage to be asked to be part of something like that was like honorable last outside. You know such a big deal too. I mean johnny was just one centerfold and then you know had on aids and had been in our organization by appearing in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight folks spread gutierrez in ways. He didn't even know at the time was at the forefront a title shift in the fashion industry and in mainstream society at large one thousand nine hundred eighty eight folks spread was a bellwether of a much larger cultural shift that would happen in the nineties s. But i story doesn't begin. Their story begins in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine on a warm night. In greenwich village. New york city police raided a popular gay club. The club just off seventh avenue a major thoroughfare so when the quake patrons most of them black and brown and many dressed in drag bought back against police. They fought for the whole neighborhood to here. The riots began a new era of sexual emancipation. Even in the culture large there was a sort of liberation taking hold stonewall had happened and in the seventies there was kind of freedom and certainly it was very mystic period between the pill and day. A tom ford arrived in new york in the seventies and he ended up with a lot of designers remembered as a time where queer identity was not out in the open but it was celebrated. We grew up. You know as i say in the seventies where you went through the period where gay was great. This is designer michael. Kors game was not something to be ashamed of. Queer identity happened in the seventies israel. Guys you like halston and saving boroughs. They were very much part of the popular culture seen at that particular time. Fashion critic and author robin kvamme. The attitudes of youth will really infused in their collections particularly stevens and there was a role looseness to them and so his signature. Fabric was this sort of light jersey and had hit nothing. It was basically just a scrim over your body and it was a celebration of that was a little bit like wearing nothing and he loved color and much of his work was inspired by. What would you wanna wear out dancing that you could wear into. The dawn wasn't just gay male designers who are celebrating the body in their collections notes. Been women around the country. Shed the weight of imposed heterosexuality and they're closed along with it. We used to have eight to ten. Thousand dykes such went to michigan. Every year started in the seventies. Loria is a famous comedian and the first openly lesbian comedian to perform on late night television. These gatherings were the main state of die culture. It was like where we could really be us first of all. We're in the middle of the woods. There's a big staged lights. There's all that all that going on and everyone's camping everyone's naked. I can't tell you how many naked women for the gay and lesbian communities. This was a decade of embracing the sexuality that they'd been denied for so long the underground parties and backwards festivals forged thriving community of people where out within an expressing queer identity was not only a statement of pride. It was a fashion statement. So many visual references from the seventies slinky dresses the form fitting pants for kyw lighted the curve of the body. The secrets and the glitter these omar because of the career community and we sold them in mainstream music and disco in one thousand. Nine hundred. seventy eight disco singer so vesta known as the queen of disco premiered. You make me feel mighty real the music. Video featured sylvester and female and male looks presses and soups interchangeably. This kind of gender bending and rajini and glorification of the sensuality of the body found its way out of the community and into the mainstream fashion industry. The design a hosting a gay man himself. Trust the most famous women of the era from liza. Minnelli diana ross to betty ford jacqueline kennedy onassis. In what we would come to understand as classic seventies folks inspired in part by the community an entire look of the decades sprung from queer liberation. And that celebration shaped the fashion industry but in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s tragedy in the gay and trans community was the new defining force in the fashion community. More after the break. We know you have many choices when you dream and we appreciate you. Choosing lego lease remains our final descent into tokyo phil de memories or reimagine old ones with the lego architecture. Tokyo set did along with other top destinations at lego dot com slash adult lego adults. Welcome dear allure. Do i really need to wear sunscreen. Wanna make my pores smaller. I- michelle lee the editor in chief of allure. And i'm jenny by executive director. You're at a lower. We're always getting questions about how to choose the right experience or conditioner or serum so we started a podcast about it science of beauty. We'll be learning all about what to do and what not to do to stay looking your best tune into the science view on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. In nine hundred eighty two. I was in one thousand nine year old out student in london. I member an amazing club. Well friend of mine lee. Barry who recently arrived promote little village called sunshine in australia and become this extraordinary performance artist. Leigh was already a significant figure in the nightclub scene. At that point and would come to run a fabled club of his own tabu because there was nothing to boo that went on that but before all that we would just young adults preparing to go out tonight and then we had this conversation that i'll never forget and he said i've just been hearing about this. Gay cancer just affects promiscuous gay man and they're getting america and it's an it's deadly and he was understandably very concerned about this because he suddenly fit that category and it was a very haunting thing to discover the age of eighteen in nineteen eighty one. The case of what would eventually be known as hiv aids was identified by the end of nineteen ninety-one. There were two hundred and seventy reported cases and one hundred and twenty one of those diagnosed had died when you were living in that time. Your friends like flies. Sometimes you would be afraid to go and visit them in the hospital because you yourself didn't want to deal with the fact that possibly you had been exposed. Ninety bunny is best known for creating wigs stalk festival celebrating queer culture but especially dr culture in one thousand nine hundred four. I thought with. I could contribute as a jester would be thorough party wig stock that would bring people together and make a celebrate the hey we are in dark times but we can throw on our head neck to fool at the end of the summer and be together while we can not wanted to bring that drag out of the underground and have a larger audience enjoy it. I wore a lot of heavy duty. Courses sits by mr pearl the course to tear and he went on to do stuff for mu glare go ta many designers wanting custom pieces brides gowns for the rothschilds embroidered with real pearls. The joyous celebration of weeks talk was the stock contrast to the reality on the ground. But that was what it meant to live life as a gay person in this period. So this is what my generation often jokes about. of course. we didn't save money. We didn't think we were going to be alive. That's not a slut like me. I was a safe sled. So i'm still here to tell about it. It was tripoli traumatizing. Gay men and trans people were worried about their own. Risk of catching this deadly disease. They were losing friends and loved. Ones are horrifying and then on top of that. They had to survive intense bislett homophobia that was spreading rapidly as the virus. All of that hate was still rolling under the surface while you thought it had been going away valerie. Steele fashion historian all the liberation and acceptance which seemed to have been growing so much from the seventies on just kind of crashed the sexual revolution of the seventies glorified sensuality but the aids crisis of the eighties turned hedonism into a death sentence. That change of course showed up in the fashion world designers dying a no one wanted to talk about it. That's how bad the stigma was. I remember when parallels was very ill Before he died and talking to editors and retailers who are at the last show that he was alive. Four and everyone was aghast. At really how sick. He was but eventually impossible for the fashion industry to ignore that huge portion of their community afflicted by this crisis we know so many will. Smith's patrick kelly halston tommy. Not just a weinbach. Harry ellis and hal estrada. Clovis ruffin makeup artist way bandy it go tina chow models gca ranji and joe mcdonald attractor on ramos. His partner fashion administration antonio lopez artist. Tony montez photographers herb. Ribs david side. Now bill king and so many more but as much as we would like to think that fashion was above homophobia. The fashion community overlapped the gay community so closely. Hiv aids made the fashion industry is fearful off and discriminatory towards gay men as practically any other mainstream industry so the creativity and vibrancy of creek culture that had found its influence reflected in the designs of host. Stephen boras have waned. I think was very strange moment in fashion. The fashion world and the world in general was but especially the fashion world. It was really really aids designer tom. Ford and any sort of hedonism more latent sexual content of close craze. That but sexy clothes were not in fashion. This was the era of bill. Blast renta's polite native who lunch dresses worn with power shoulder. Jackets of armani subtle man tailored suits and the anti sex quietude of the emerging belgian designers including multi magellan trees van noten within the fashion industry. They were there as allies and friends to try and help out historian valerie steele but sometimes the atmosphere round them people will be saying. Oh i think. I'm going to hire women designer because the man might die. We went into this period in the late eighties. Where i think the fashion was very nervous to talk about designers sexuality at all because there was fear that with this with this turn off the consumer if they thought that the designer could be ill and have aids would this chernoff business people from investing and designers by one thousand nine hundred five however fashion designer and aids activist. Kennett co conceive. That silence wasn't sustainable because stigma was so devastating And so pervasive. So i so this is an opportunity and did a campaign with any woods and we got some. The biggest models in the industry donate their time and their and their persona. I ran an ad so picture condom and we did. She's the only thing we heard you to wear off to design a perilous died of aids in nineteen eighty six the deadliness of aids folks too close to the top echelons of fashion to ignore fashion. Came together right on the cusp of the nineties. Lert burly person is folks archive editor council of fashion designers Cfda with anna wintour and caroline. Brome and donna. Karen organized a sale to raise money for aids was called seventh on sale. These superstars have fashion. Came together last night. They sold their own creations and they've bought from others. All for a worthy cause seventh on sale is the name of the efforts sponsored by the council of fashion designers of america and vogue magazine and it is all to benefit the new york city aids fund. Pippas a hard sell because it was not a fashionable. 'cause in fact at that point it was something that brands wanted to shy away from. You lose so many friends and so many people dying of aids and so many people are dying of cancer. He goes what is going on. And i had this idea of opening conscious consumers shopping which blood started out is. Let's take all the stuff we have. And i said let's sell it and make money for the awareness. Today i remember caroline. Rome was the president that then donna karen and carolina and a winter all said we can all do something together and we banded together. It didn't matter if you were a tiny little business or a behemoth. Everyone rolled up their sleeves. I remember when we first opened. The opening night was unbelievable. The energy in the room. I mean patti. Labelle singing iman had just started dating. David bowie at the whole the whole nine linden christy naomi. It was really special. And i think it showed that the industry was a community and then we saw the lines of customers and consumers the next day wanting to engage not only with fashion but to raise money for this pandemic. We sold everything we had within the first hour and a half on the first day we open and we kept restocking with anything we could find. I will always look back at the first seven on sale number one of the greatest moments in my personal life in my career. I never felt more proud to be a part of this community. Seventh on sale was one of the first times. The fashion industry expressed direct interest in the communities most impacted by aids even though those communities have been innovating and transforming what fashion could be. What fashion even meant. You know in vogue and you wanted to emulate which is selling. The magazine is on what you saw runways. The organization started to attack these designers. And these names that inspired that chanel thousand layer. It went hand in hand with what was being done with the movement for sure goce very popular within the community cans. I am ocho. And those were the designers. I mean i loved go today. I grew up. I'm loving is designed. You know these kids would try and and create costumes that emulated those things that world collar exaggerations and you know a bit risque and so i remember at one ball i wore. This dull chain gabon beaded in pearls motorcycles jacket. It was. Yeah it was the biggest thing man. And wow i mean the thing weighed like about fifty plus pounds and it was all encrusted in pearls. Yeah and i remember. I came out with that on a string of pearls around my neck. No-shirt that night and i won the category most of the time. The competitors couldn't afford to own themselves in designer clothes so they made more their own designs inspired by the designers. They so admired. It was like you were wearing sculpture. Know even got a fabric. That necessarily wasn't miaki. But you know that you got at the fabric store and be able to wrap yourself in that miaki. Knockoff was of great fashion inspiration. The drama of the ballroom scene and the theatrics of drag culture was so undeniable that the decade of turning a blind eye to this community was simply unpalatable by nine thousand. Nine hundred nine members of the community began to realize that the art and beauty of drag and ballroom was alluring even outside that community and that could be harnessed to bring in a larger community of allies but political activism suzanne botch party promoter so the potential to marry the ballroom houses of harlem the fashion house that they so admired for good cause ballroom culture on the ground in the aid is a lost ball really brought it to the four from and the idea of house me money with these houses walls to go through money Donna karan barneys new york. And i get them to be a house for the night and none of the newer walk. The result was the love ball. A fundraiser turned epic party with incredible guest list. Donna karen david byrne and martin and carolina herrera were among the judges and the event was sponsored by major fashion retailers. Like barneys and swatch watches. Thanks to suzanne's push the love ball. Raised four hundred thousand dollars but even more than that it made aids a fashionable charitable cause for the straight laced philanthropists corporations. The will many winners of the night. Jose gutierrez extravaganza took home the grand prize folk category a trophy designed by keith. Haring and a year after the love ball. Put ballroom on the map. For new york's elite socialites and philanthropists jose gutierrez was about how madonna put it on the mat for everyone else one win tonight. Mon- madonna's confidence. A woman named debbie meser voter along to a moron competition at the sound factory in midtown manhattan and once jimmy. One night club with this person and that she wants me to me. She drags me halfway across the dan. Shaw and introduces me to this woman. Who says to me high madonna. I heard a lot about you. And i'm like hi. How are you being leans. She says to me. I heard you rogue really what i heard your best. Will you show me. I was always very fashion. Four so i remember. I had this great. You know tight fitting outfit a very constricted strapped wrapped and stuff. I believe you know some of it was go ta and honestly i i thought of my outfit i was like i'm gonna get dirty and she looks at me like i was like this has nerve. She says she went into the vip with her. And i remember. She made our security guard. Give me his trousers. He waited in the vip baston. And it's how. I stretch right in front of her. I went out there showed her you know then the end of the night she says to me and i wrote this song and i wanna do music video for it and i will be used to be in it. I would love for you to help me put it together before she left she said i would also use you for a world tour that i'm having. I don't know if you're able to do any other types of dancing is just can't be vogel has to be familiar with dad's what madonna didn't know when she invited jose to audition as a backup dancer. Was it jose. Gutierrez was a classically trained dancer. An easily passed additional tests. What made him stand out. Though was his experience and the x factor he brought as the winning room vogler and here. I am at insen years old being invited. Not only to choreograph this video but to travel the world with this woman being plucked i think as they say jose gutierrez extravaganza went on to choreograph. Madonna's vogue video. I was just putting together movement and she was such a perfectionist. At watching she would have got upset when she didn't get it right. She wanted to get it. Is it when i remember. She's like how can i do that in on life. You have to feel it. I said to her technique to this. You know it's attitude more than anything. Madonna's vogue became a smash hit. The music video received a total of nine mtv video music award nominations and three awards in nineteen ninety that year it became the world's best selling single selling over six million copies madonna's blond ambition tour went ten countries and grossed over sixty two million dollars with that success. Though gang ballroom culture went mainstream a small community that has begun in black and brown neighborhoods of new york. City had global appeal on an unprecedented scale. The deadliness of hiv aids was still very much present and violent homophobia was still horrifying omnipresent threat but public acknowledgement of queer. People and of the disease had vastly changed. The turn of the ninety s also brought a break in the clouds as the queer community refused to be defined by this disease and instead celebrated their culture in wild rebellious joy. Then the early nineties very late eighties. We all went to south beach. Everyone ransom south beach. And i knew people who thought they were going to die. There wasn't readily available medication to keep people alive. So i do. People cast out their insurance policies and said well. I'm going to south beach. I'm going to get a tambourine. I'm gonna dance all night. And you have this explosion of exuberance. That was sort of this. Well we're gonna be ourselves and we're gonna make noise. But i think there was this. I don't know this explosion of energy. After the very sadness of in the queer j world the late eighties there was just this fog frivolity and then of course the cycle goes up down when hiv aids was no longer as much of a barrier between the queer community and the rest of society. Other members of the community particularly lesbians found new visibility in the mainstream even on the covers of glossy magazines vanity fair k. d. lang an open lesbian country singer was featured on vanity fair's august nineteen ninety-three cover with cindy crawford cindy crawford katie land cover. Katie was in a butch out and she was in a to me. That was the closest thing to what the culture was for me as a lesbian. They realize that. Gay money's spent as good as any other money. It was in the nineties that queer pride which had been a protest for my entire life. It was in the s that it turned into more of a celebration as got more corporate sponsors. We saw a lot of queer album albeit not written by queers and usually not performed by choirs usually not directed by queries but we saw a lot of visual imagery in books in theater in movies and fashion and lesbian visibility would soon show up in a way previously hadn't before on the runway and it was pioneered by one designer in particular. Jill sander starts coming out also dressing. What some people disparagingly cult-like lesbian cheek. Tim fashion historian. You know because she was doing these kind of basics really chic expensive basics for the woman who just wants to wear like a white button button-down shirt and maybe a blazer. There's something you know. She doesn't want to wear the shoulder pads. And the you know have this whole nineteen eighties going on her. This gianni versace and kind of over the top italian look were references powered from menswear like the walk. Great coates joel self was lesbian alone. Fanny low key test but there was one would have been called a sort of lipstick lesbian by remember. The models had kind of sleek sequoia hancocks and strong lipstick. And he's kind of slightly manish elegant understated close lot of pantsuits beautiful fabrics and often very kind of dark moody. I wore a lot of chil- sandra in the nineteen ninety s historian valerie steele and that was kind of really beautiful minimalist tailoring androgynous. But just like very very chic. It has some of that kind of upper class masculine. Look that you've seen a century before. Dura load of opinions about lesbian chic. My initial thought was that that was a contradiction in terms because lesbian seemed to be deliberately. Antifascists lesbian chic was invented. Basically by producers etc. who wants to capitalize on the straight male. fantasy lesbians. Really didn't have a lot of voice in it in a way. That was too many of us especially someone who is politicized as i am in his his i am. I found it pretty fucking annoying so here. I've been up there on the front lines doing the good fight for lesbians as ability for well over a decade and then we finally get some visibility. It's not philly lesbians that probably influenced fashion in terms of popular culture right more than actual lesbians. But by nineteen ninety-three lear. Herself would bring her own flavor of lesbian culture as the first openly gay stand up comic on late night television and a she ran out onto the stage. She made history with this opening line. Trek. that was a no-name vintage suit. That i had gotten out of a little bit to store in raleigh. I was doing a gig there and if it was like a very unusual. When you're first of all when you're so we've got hips. That men don't have. We got figures that men don't have so a vast majority of what majority of which is just by suits. That are too big. Sometimes they'll tailor them to fit themselves. sometimes they'll just wear them too big. Luckily it was the nineties so big was in that suit. I had was big on me but it was very fastly. Big it looks fantastic so That was what i was wearing. And i believe flu shoes where the shoes fairly certain that was a calvin klein white shirt. But i had on you know the basic classic white shirt so that was everything that was of course. I had freedom rings on because you know it was ninety. Three for lived queer experience from the glamorous but unacknowledged seventies to the surpressed stigmatized eighty s made way for the renaissance of the ninety s and by the mid ninety s. People were beginning to have access to medications. That could prolong their lives so. I think that you weren't dancing while rome with burning anymore the industry really came together and and really stayed behind raising money and raising awareness for the aids pandemic. A never gave up that. And still you have that sense of community today. The fashion industry typically when when empowered will rise indication and almost by definition kind of does that it leads the way it inspires. People engage us people. Kind of gives them a sense of where we're going and i think we as a caught that we have been extraordinary. The create community. You always loved fashion. Created it promoted. It worn it. But in the nineties the fashion industry finally began to reciprocate that love rejecting the fair suppression of the eighth pandemic caused opened up a whole new world visibility and representation despite the investigating the creek community faced and still continues to face. Even today we can note back on the history of struggle with admiration and inspiration. There was still a long journey ahead but at least that journey was out and proud poking on the runway in one thousand nine hundred ninety s presented by anna winter and produced by jasmin galera. Julia doyle kinsey clock talk. Then and megan lubin edited by morals. 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"Britain's greatest wars podcast jerk. You're listening to storrow session with math. Hudson and luke fly. This is fun of against good morning afternoon or evening. Wherever you are in the galaxy and welcome to star wars sessions. Come for the star wars. Stay for the sessions. My name is matt. Hudson aka japanese joining me once again in the essex. Falcon is the greatest star. Wars man found somebody out there. He is a man who charge. I wanna why angle wiscon- boys cayenne on. I thought you were so over excited. You accidentally pressed onto the sound effects. Those charge you. Not not boy is another episode. It's another week and therefore it is a another bligh pawn. Whoa done my boy. Non six episodes in we got to one hundred complete. Those bligh pounds. How you feel on that might get in there. I think i might have one or two more getting over. The line is going to be a very struggle but anything to hear the sound of the seismic charge though We love. We love a cheeky. Bligh's me charged way. One more people in the back. Stunning stunning stunning. If i don't hear wedding ceremony this shit that doesn't include that gonna got mental. We listen any get married and twenty twenty one. Yeah yeah let's not record it and send in get in touch. Yeah my new year. Lots of new things in the pipeline for us for the podcast for star wars for lots of things my and i'm buzzing on buzzing to share what we got planned but just just general was chitchat. My enough mr of mr and i. I'm ready to get back into chechnya and shoot the galactic brains. Oh yeah y- man. I show of twenty twenty one. So that's hope. Caesar's ritual bit more positive but given the star wars content. We've got to look forward to. We should be emphasis street since surprises. I'm sure we've got more coming. But i i haven't actually asked you want thought you might know him good. I am very very good dots really just award is filled with escapism and trying to stay positive. Release so yeah. 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Patty jenkins has confirmed that the story treatment for star wars rogue squadron has been completed hi. I'm ken knapsack. Author of why we love star wars. And you're listening to star wars sessions probably britain's greatest star wars podcast. Now we've wave goodbye to twenty twenty in our last episode with our favorite moments off that year in star wars and the highs and lows and the memories from the skull could premieres. Well we want to kick off twenty twenty one similar fashion. We're gonna look forward to what is coming out in twenty twenty one in the galaxy far far away. We've just mentioned that. There's some coke stuff to look forward to and undoubtedly stuff that hasn't been announced yet but what better way to kick off the year old look forward absolutely. My mandalorian was a big deal last year. More season seven was a huge deal. Those loads of canada got released not long before that you know it was the rise of skywalker as as we would like summarizing last week it felt so fresh and now we got. It really feels la. We're entering into a new era of star wars. You know where nez not any source cinematic releases coming any time. Soon or sun feels like that But we have other stuff. We have and nevada star wars. Tv show In fact we've got a few on top of books comics further cannon material. Surreally really. we're just having a deep dive into that miami boy. Gino won't might. Let's let's get out the way us because there's no pump stories. There's no stories. Ma sneak into the less square. The scar will premiere running around hotels this week calling onto the roofs. Well my all wish. I wish imagine that i was sing about that the other day. Actually li- thinking back on our last week's episode man margin if we go up there. We'd be there like two minutes. Matt would his his beloved dicey and then a security guard would upon. Ibm it worked. Buying new laws could have had it would have been counted. Yeah we would have had to have without to dunloy some proper. Cassie i league. Not winky winky Might right not you boy boy our the cannon in the stalls releases for twenty twenty one You kind of is there anything that you kind of dreading. Because i ask you that question because you do like to hike in all of two canon or most. The cannon writes comics books and and cartoons and films. It's starting to thin where you like john. I won't really cannot speak to read that or do what you reckon pepsi pepsi under wherever leader sugar hit a good question. Just standard pepsi. Actually i usually opt for a pepsi. Max for picked up a pepsi today. Because in my audience pick it up but hooper's annetta shook sought me out but i'm not sure actually short will not we will get you through the rest of the potty. I'm telling i'm telling you yes. So what would you recommend no. It's not usually how we start our mind. Discussions we like to be quite positive. Is sorta senior really dreaded. Nothing i'd say actually treating if i was going to if i was going to rank what we've got in front of us now probably put the throne book at the bottom. Because i i've mentioned on a couple of the shows i've done recently. I love throwing books. Not do but i don't get excited for them running me that also will not is quite good. chaos rising. I'm looking now tournament and this new one coming out. Great to talk a bit. Naff if i had to pick anything up if over like sacrifice do make the sacrifice it would be that one. Because it's good stuff coming out this everything like you said quite rightly. Now everything's gonna be great. I think it'd be even. Are we love star. Wars even even accomplish so now. If everything's gonna be great oversee. We hope. As but i would if i had to put my money down at the table and say well haven't got enough for one thing. It would probably be through ascendancy great good because it's a prequel today to the new trinity anyway so the stakes aren't quite as high as for me on against scientists on oversee dive into the books montana. You like the comics more and obviously what we've got coming live action animated one wizard anything on this list which was thinking man cave type matt. Won't you've already mentioned it. Thrown ascendancy greater good thought. Chaos risings fine. Okay if not a bit cheaper greater good. They love things books. And i i love the books do past gas. Good her pathetic. As li- it's like they've just had a couple biz and have watched hot fuzz and guns. What s good slogan. Nick that on a boom tight. Bosh is just not that good. It's not is not a great title. I'll be honest with you. I kind of historically speaking. I loved the comic books for for new listeners. I grew up reading the stall was dock costs comex in fact we quiz last week. and A lot of people thought the shadows of the empire is going to be my thoughts. Cummock series ira. It wasn't it was. It was a random issue from stall was empire. And i know the cover to this day. I got the title. But it's one way of Lots back playing cards on solos on it. She was on it and it's like a green table it looking for that at mcm loss day whenever it was the before. Maybe i always look for a copy of it. Always look for a copy of I do actually have my original copy of cabinet. I have kept unlike to alight to look it. Because i love the our work and i thought. The artwork adult costs comments with great the stories grinding. Maybe i've just changed. But whenever i start series my a- comic book series. I don't seem to be sold by them. I was however really entrusted in the initial run of the marvel. Stalwarts stuff you know. You don't fight a staff Star wars just taught to marvel star wars ones a pretty good but as time has gone by kombi authored with i. Just don't ask the time a ton of time. Because i don't find that as much of a payoff a at bounty hunters for example couldn't gain might lucht fantastic looks gorgeous very. It's super over the top. I was like the are just so now. This isn't really about anything is it. It's eason doesn't really have any meat on it. That was my opinion. Maybe i'm wrong. So i look at the comic books emma. I'm looking for something different. What excites me. The most is the high republic because it's different it's different it's new and i think that's what i loved about. The dot costs comics. When i was a kid it was owner. Whereas when i'm reading dogfight economic of red adults fight a coming of red somac- dogfight stuff star wars stuff done that. Dr afra- it's okay. Don't trafford's pretty good bounty hunters charts get into didn't hire public. That sounds that sounds pretty. Spicy may sounds pretty spicy. And it's funny time in really because own all day of recording. We got news on the high republic. Then we might well we. We've got the livestream on youtube star. Wars youtube channel and all of the authors and creators together to catherine kenny introduced it which was nice to see And i basically just kind of announced the hard republic was hit. The the first run of books the characters we get used to and there was a one and a half minute a trailer with inverted commas. More concept taught me to look a lot prettier with voiceover which also is pretty good and they come. The livestream didn't give too much away which i didn't expect it so you did notice was that For the most pop- mono people allowing seems to be pretty stoked for the republic. And i know of our listeners who we've interacted with on social. Was this code other looking forward to it. But i wanted to kind of gauge. What the the greater the greater good the greater feeling of star wars by the what people actually excited about this. Because we've speaking. And i have on my patriot. Show a paper where you're gonna take this because abc's publishing initiative to start with people really good ball into it but it seems like people are which which which i like. The sound of people seem to be excited by what they're seeing my. Yeah i mean a no by the time this show is out. Your review of the book would already have been released. Can you give us a A very show in a couple words review without any spoilers. It's one of the best canon of rate shot the outside honestly and i'll give you a reason. Why if those who've heard the review is similar to gray moses diluting to pollute was alluding to the reason why i is really where written show where the child so would be able to translate comics folks but he did. It was very cinematic. Feeling felt bake the bad guys by. They felt like they were a threat. They really did. But it was the s. word which could stakes. They were stake. Say when i read bloodline are know. That generally is not going to die. And i throw going to die resistance report on a rose. Fien ri- injuries and po. They're not gonna die. But when i was really read to republic books you know everything's on disciple and the book gets not green as in all rights book you know. Stop factors in the book there twists and turns and all my other and expect also ever so it kept me on my toes and that's one of the best new canon rate because i didn't know what to expect you would. Nobody really seemed to have palma particularly apart from one or two people So i felt like. I was on a beaver royd for the whole time. That's amazing is amazing table. You've still got my copy of new so get back around. We'll have to figure that out at some point and all available rita that fiction is fiction isn't really my thing i will. I'll give it a go unless and hopefully Really enjoy because yeah like you said my. It's really nice to have something again. Install was the is winning over fans of people seem to be really enjoying. And what will say. It's a sock it all up. If you're a star wars fan success of mando season two batches come in close season. Seven killed it. We've got high republic here a lot people seem to be you know. Really praising that okay lopping everett cyber in izzo address and socal just on that point. My did not take telling but it feels new as well. It doesn't feel like the same old stuff harvard before it feels like a new era so people getting into read it. You feel like you're at a different time in the galaxy which was great. My that is quality stuff like that essentially got me really excited. Because i'll be honest. My i have not heard this kind of response to stalls book in a while in a long time there was some people really like the soaker stuff start. Yeah on a again even when someone says. Ask some really good book. You listen to the soaker book even like a the oj. Book ashley stain writes it. Salt foot for every person that says that. There's someone saying yeah as boren. Stoked to hear some positivity around the high republic. The jed ibook dude. I am you know it really spot. Trust and for me my adult knife this supplies to you personally for me that kind of summarizes my whole feelings will books and comics. Install wars of the moment. Twenty twenty one. I should say you know. I'm i'm really bought. A high republic on may dive in with some other stuff. Nine may pick up a few comex at some point but you never know if this republic thing. If i'm really get stuck into a get the bug might you never know. Stranger things have happened. And hopefully you get if you don't it's just goes isn't it so the first comic actually comes out the day. This episode drops over thomas drops republic episode issue. One has would have dropped the marvel republic ground. Sorry were that's excited as well and Yeah i'm looking forward to the republic mouse cause lot of good stuff there. The comics look good from what i've read so far the jet good. I've got a test of courage. And into the doc beat up to read again. Thank you to offer ends there right. So hopefully control for review of they've very shortly To throw a book. That's coming out. Alphabet squadron. victories. Prices coming out which is the third installment of alexander freight's alphabet squadron trilogy of endured the first two again stikes nu is a non running thing with me. The africa squadron book new characters introduces My love for the. I've comes for the original crew and cost because strike. Going to happen on heightened using that word again stakes you diagnose. What's going to happen is filled in everything menacing because the arm of knowing that they're in the precursor to sequels of the ot so victims product info and there is a mandatory novel coming out in november adam christopher's wrought as a novelist. It's untidy talked about yet. But that's been pushed back a year to this member so would amanda lauren novel interest. You might maybe. Maybe i'll draw the region original story if you're gonna if i'm gonna if i'm going to read a novel to be honest so i'll draw the get the all of the mandalorian but to be on. That looks absolutely incredible. Big shouts who have managed to get a hands on it. Because i was very soft up or things with the mandalorian logo slapped on it Dude always even look the other damon. I was looking on our boys over another based coda. Uk onslaught man offense avenue. Look at what they got for. Star wars stuff mandalorian stuff s premature sold out every like amazon ebay charging ridiculous prices or sold out. People love mandalorian much man and also speaking to a boy dan sexton albouy dexter no household rapa Speaking to this morning actually and he was walking his dog with his. Mrs down south and say front the other day and just walking by. And there's a little lot with his baby. Yoda toy just walking along. He's like token to his mom. All about the mandalorian and stuff like that. Let you really say such stuff around. Just people went. East shuts kids picking up toys. The pulp vinyl. The the the grogan of the child putnam most soul pop von. Ovo tyne mad isn't it. It's ridiculous me is ridiculous. The mandalorian has measurable amount of soft power and asya measurable. But that's because disney cape sta fax from us chroma but you can gauge from like analytics google analytics and stuff like that for two to see how successful a show in the mand lawrence killing to media trade stuff roy riot mando is ease killing it. And that's really really nice to say and to be honest my we're getting more. Tv action this year. And it feels quite surreal. Doesn't it really you know a bad batch stall was visions and of course a another. Show them show. We'll get to the now probably have heard of Thing would you recommend stalwarts visions on i. We've we've mentioned this on our announcement steps oj. Were you thinking. Only announcements episode. I was are mentioned that you know i'm actually intrigued. By star was vision because referred recruiting for something different. Lots of people are crying out for something different aiden star wars and now mccain was a ten ten enemy short films from the best. Japanese automate isn't studios. They're all telling these different stories with different diverse cultural. Look star wars intrigued by that might because your loved Anytime they can give star wars to different people or people haven't usually doubled with the before who come from a rich storytelling background on more for my again. I don't know the animators are here and nine them because they've been released yet but i've heard my sounds interesting. They were only going to be short. On how could be ten minutes. Fifteen twenty minutes could be fighting for. We know but. I think it's exciting. Because the little watched animated one of my big gaps filmography. But i'm aware of the impact on pop culture and how deep their stories can go. It excites me. My it really does excite me again. I'm not expect. I'm not sitting. They're expecting anything. Necessarily earth shattering quake if it just for something a little bit different might yem. I think that's a really good shell. That is a really good show on looking forward to to seeing what comes out of it. I am not a super anime fan. I'm surrounded by a of anime fan. So it's it's rubbed off or garoppolo of anime too. So were i. Don't count myself. As i began my fan. I have seen a lot of household under my films. Because of my brother my frank callum one of one of our patrons actually callum stage shall Absolute gangsta he. He's well his alibi and he showed me some marvellous modern anime films one of my favorites in your name real. That might really crazy. Really really crazy film but gorgeous and just so original. That's why loved by these japanese stories that they're original an sometimes a bit far fetched. But you the garage. Same boy the execution of them. Ease that the number price it was spot on is spun so yom looking forward to seeing what happens for me. I did say this on a previous pods for me. It seems like something that youtube channel. Yeah kinda adventures of the galaxy. Riot is this series is up the nine events. The start was advantages. Donna between what you may galaxy of. I'm that's the name of adventures on youtube stalwarts. Kids don't yet know all there's a lot of very good really fun. That's aci great on. I'm sure there are some kids absolutely door them. And i'm sure there's some people that are instructions star wars but for me. Yeah i'm not really. I'm not staying out with excitement thinking about this once again. Let's go back to what we were just talking about. Regarding the books it's not original. You know we're not really learning anything new here would just kind of looking at the same story may be from a different perspective and in a different ought style. That's my understanding of a think they new story. I think news stories. I really choice original story so it's not like we've x. Ventures acadia tycoon. the galactic events. Believe these are all new original stories might which is what which is what gets me kind of trillions to do when we original stories right war. Are we talking about what we do. It's things. yeah you're kidding me. i read about it. My understanding is that there's ten. It reached new story. So it's not based upon and it's been any other film will book or does say here right. It says here presenting own new creative types on the galaxy fall far away. Stoves visions will be a series of animated short film celebrating stalwarts through the lens of the world's best anime creators. I just took the is celebrating. Because i've got these. They've got the best antibiotics to come on. And give their take on. Star wars Fairly positive stories. Economists nebi too many docs theresa as far as my way They then new New stories out there not existing tax which prefer not see another looker. The yeah the awful. How luke han rescued liable voice versa of seen that before galaxy eventers did that so far away all new and if it is fully on board if it is then i'll check it out awesome having a cup of tea and biscuit brian I won't be quite as intrigued. It's the same of what we've seen before brian. I'm pretty much the Copper and biscuit watch install was visions. Anyway i'm leaning toward anyway but i'll still watch it and you never know my might watch just flaming may. Did you see that. Star wars visions. Yes to try to we. This is yeah. I really is recap all my imagine not be filth to might do recap of every single one of those shows that the That they stopped at that investor day thing last year worst english. Because i'm so excited the net. What about the bad batch. Because we've both been. It's funny because this time last year we were talking about more seasons. Safer than we're saying it will probably be okay. If you've heard this the oj of the show would have heard this before we will be fine. You know it'd be good fun. I'm sure probably put it at the bottom of our list for this and we probably already duck season seven for the most part the komo's and we've both commented that the bad batch whilst it sounds pretty choline I'm not as excited as we are for other things. And when the try to drop the okay more and more sort of interest the idea of that is because we have no. We're not gonna come down on the hangover now. We've had the mando. We're in that kind of period now where i want more content as possible because we have such a great time of the mandate we go to this new stock. So i'm looking forward to it just for something to watch but you know seeing people who come are phoenix going to be in there and who oh smile might not turn up and the time period is set other. I bump gain more and more where he goes boy. What about you. Though is your excitement grown and die. I eight tac. Tac tech is going to. Because he's the most annoying records guard the big boy. I'm joking i could. Of course want my miami intrigue of the old bad batch is going up a little bit. You now i am. I am a big cane. On the bad batch. now. I'm not gianola trailer. An icon out but feel like the platform announcement so we go a few weeks ago. As kind of overshadowed the fact that we got a new stall was trailer only a few weeks for a new show. Looks good my I'm glad that retained the clone wars animation. For this to me again. I may have already said this to me. It looks like eight over Should say it feels like a successor to decline was a roof success. I'm not just talking about. oh yeah. They can't climate and that doing rebels. A different animated show. Not this actually feels like not this. Continuation of the climate is what happens to clones off. Revenge the sixth that could peer to time whether clones us day-by-day getting older and older is is a clone day or clone year in human years natural year's nominees accelerate growing. Throw a really interest in my really interesting off think we could see some excellent storytelling here. Some really interesting story talent That is as much as i can. Sign thing right now because again. It is just i am. I show no disrespect right. Because i love deanna. It shows but neither that of course might about saying you. I loved the resistance. Figures a wherever the action figures are so cole and i rarely see them again. All guys i renewed by stike. Sam ashley did they look really good are like the look of them. I'm why wouldn't it be funny if our collection allows you must love. You must love resistance my rewatch whenever that may be you never know you might be our need. These figures now all of them all of them. I'm like i wa walk-in with a basket full of resistance figures hourly mrs. She'll be live local. you doing. Why why are we live is look look at captain haya right par. Kasim go out and tell me. This isn't for the greater good anymore. Puns into that look into kazoo. Ono's always you never know we. When we watched a mulligan. Mcconnell is to watch that show again in full not week by week. I want to binge watch it and hopefully get into. I'm glad to hear that. The for the bad batches. Monica will just because he's coming. He's coming soon to release this. I thought i heard somebody say february. It was coming. But i think that might be wishful thinking but are i wouldn't. It's just been an animated series. Hasn't been code a mini series or an event series so is potentially going for more than one season be interested if they used a bad batch. Another way to bridge the gap between episode three and episode folks. We've got food. In order to enact we've soda comics and stuff like that as well books. We don't have to see the bad batch take up. Some of that time is where keeps it especially when the clones are in force goes to close on around in the accelerated growth. So at what point did they really become redundant. So there's questions that i could answer tallish order. They're going to butt up interested to see how far down that rob. I would absolutely my absolutely. I'm looking forward to and you know you've already Mentioned finnick shan vanik now in the mandalorian season finale. We did get a little welcome surprise. You know we heard from multiple paypal. Sources news obstacles. They were saying there's going to be above that show after kathy kennedy does the announcements you know. Avoid a stall was stuff. Is there a boba fett. Show on there now. No way to know it been shocked off the ship in the nobody fat. Yes that's all we love it. we love it. Listen the book of boba fett. I just wanna say one more time. How good is that name. The my how coupe was the review win. Big boy sit on that throne shad naked sportscar and i say again. She needs your own throne. You can't sit in on the on your own. Might be gentlemen. Do you know what my law i have. The thing is right. She's not queen because she's she's indebted to to. That's right now it's for roy. He doesn't put you in a chain. They hire the slave labor caney slave shannon. I'm sure some members of the fan would like that might really looking forward to it because it's funny because we did our by buffet episode in may be october like will we get more bobber boba and this was when the rumors were going around now that there was going to be this perfect show and with iraq would do. We need one. Is it going to be any good blah. We seem in the mandate robert rodriguez and bringing back yet. This is this is a now. I caught one which So many people have done this one eighty. It seems that they thought like me released is fine. This guy in a cooler in suit who gets off very comically in return to the gentleman you know it didn't dive into the odu the now cooled legends. So i wasn't interested in you know. The fat from that side of are just moved from the films as a vivid goon really a now of seeing him in the on. What yes now. I get it this is this is faye as quality and a lot of people who pay said he already him now getting his own show is like potentially ru- running the criminal underworld. That's exciting magna awareness. Shani's great character of other people seem to really lock character plus a lot. Jimmy adamson roundtable. She's into bad batch. So we're gonna see more character going forward. Yes so they were gonna invest and apparently she was mentioned appeared in one of the latest bounty hunter comics well so so that vara headline so that comedy was now something like Bosco something was chosen ahead of phoenix shan for mission. Something of that so but now. I'm excited my where on earth what's going to happen. We see him on his throne. So he's got him in shannon. What is missing ten episodes or can i do the now. We know we've got it. What what they're going to do right. So it is a limited series his nap and so really. If we try to deconstruct this a wee bit you know. And i'm sure we're not going to get to the point here on on this low segment really above fat has literally bolted into was jobless palace. And now bibs palace boda in earning join a variety. Wash act out don laser. Drink so a spouse. There's gonna be some people who want to have a slice of that cake. He want of the action here on is something. Might you know the hots right. You'd you'd assume not beebees now the how right before chain with a hot miami. You'd think so. It's an anti autocracy right right. I was thinking that because it doesn't make a bit complicated right because we're actually species rice on the species and now hotter. Yeah and that dead very good. That's very good being gang overlords to being the athletic that nouri threatening to people emend if talk weeds. One from the komo's zero. The his name was. Yeah the dow virginian. He can't be called did accident but Blasted by choice news for the hot summation in the republic is well. They mentioned that. I've been around for a long time ryan anyway so yeah bibs been killed so baba's that on on gonna guess the there's gonna be some power struggles a great to see what tattooing is doing. I guess what would ask the thing. Seeing more tattooing. I guess katharina from sao done. Mind it now because we know the that stop. That's the home base of baba and senate. Now right it's when with mando is kind of different because he has free rein go literally anywhere in the galaxy yet and he's been to tattoo in quite a few times. It feels like that right so it's a bit different a bit different bu- recipe. Yeah i suppose. Cats swing not as as lively as it once was right. Not that i think that point was was consciously made when they're going through the straits of Moss is leo. All wherever masa did they got. Moss aspe- i think do Anyway so it looks like it's more down and it looks like a lot of people just opt in left onto the core systems for a walk. That's the impression i got. So yeah it'll be it'll be interesting but the truth is my boy. One hundred percent shore. What the show is all about. And in fact on. Who's the bad guy who's protagonist. Who's who heroin this. Who who should we be point. Well it's obviously boba. But i'm not walk sense. Maybe maybe maybe is playing this whole big plan you know where mando boba a soka. They will want their own greater. Good to save hanging on through coats house here. They want to be part of the great i. I think you might be right in. Terms of people wanted to have a slice of that pie because anything can think of and again giant determine. Dave forty some grand plan about about what is the only thing i can think overlaps with the mandalorian time period which also overlaps with a soaker and ranges at higher republic. And of course they're going to be out off to after some expecting too much. We might get some for that as well Terms of the story. I can only think of it being. Buffet is having to fight off potential on gangsters but at the same time. That doesn't exactly sound very good. I think we'll see him. Five is wild the salt lake. Y'all yeah i do But yea geno my. I'm really interested in what they've got to tell you know he's kind of like a mystery and the thing is might we've the mandalorian season two and it was delivered to us. I'm so intrigued to see what happens next. I just really want to see what happens next. Including what happens if boba unfinished lovelock's war so he's now the boss now. What what does that mean. What the implications like who who who. Who else is going to die. Will we see cobham's guy to riot. Try to like bring justice to assign area or a peace and security to sutton area. Imbaba's no that's against moyer entrust and while i'm trying to hear. His voice bubbles goal because at the beginning of mando he just wanted his alma he just wanted his alma bike and we good right so now what now he's got. He's got fanatic. Now messed maybe for another show. But it's and i don't i don't want to come across i. I'm excited. I am so now you come across excited. My is obviously just the ways of sora gonna go. is it going to be surprised boardwalk. Empire type thing. We've got warren of factions or. Will it be that way we get called. Because also we're gonna find out why fiber gonna be cut off to take his arm about way. Slate one poconos ace. Said i'm sure they're going to go into that but the way they handled back in the mando though it was quite quick so i'm not expecting too much to a on how out saw while he did go off to call barak and it could be very. Quick flashback or very couple of dialogue. Because john does anti-theft. See my talk really want to spend too much time With the backstory. When that's not a bad thing. We don't need an episode biography. Got out of the solid pit episode to see how why didn't go and for drink cover. Crimes hate that semi well. We didn't really see an episode of. How cub got the armagh by bizarre. You know we just flash binatli. It did work quite well. Even know called was on a spada guy not fifty miles an hour talking lot. He was just next to him in a coffee shop on. how are they. salma was head off. Rapidly had on at night yeah. That's my biggest criticism of the flippin. Season really annoys me. That saying i've seen that cnn. In your roy cop fans perfectly coiffured. Hair doesn't move in the winds room equally. Y'all missile talks status. He's a. I'm excited for it. I go that isn't that isn't a to the detriment of our excitement. We just we just don't know. And if and if you guys know where the by show marco we'd absolutely love to hear but i'm i'm looking forward to seeing on. That list really was through in the senate say the marvel star wars. Line a yeah. I preferred twenty-fifth day. One how that started. This one started off a bit. Some of the story posted this debate like doing this falls appoint reservoir fighter. I mentioned new last week week before that. Has that's carrying places that's tying things into the sequel trilogy nicely but not like not stupidly. They feel vital. Not let you must read rosie miss now but in terms of the side cannon dogfight cbs's student an awful lot to tie it so after having been hopefully enamored with this new round at the africa mix and bounty hunters haven't really been following. I've read them. But i'm cocky overly overly bothered by them but i think there's a lot of potential them to have this other side of star wars the underworld which we might be getting in bugger failure to have fiscal darker underbelly and how the how the saw work. It's a lot of potential for bringing in great characters and great plot points but just don't really seem to want to do that in a minute but they might do and another again that comic books as mccafferty devoted leading fans. But yeah i think was one thing that might you on. You mentioned the higher republic. But what's the one thing then. Which if you could only watch or read or Undertaken any of these. What would it be come. My car boy is it matt. Great good surely again. My book by buffet goes iraq is just no question. No question is kebob. That probably followed by bad backs. We high republic in a strong third. That is i would go for the. I'm tight now because the brooklyn buffet is up there simply because how could the mandatory. No this is going to be in the same style basically so it's kind of a manned lights Looking forward to that posted a public my so excited to see that where it is gonna gotten the first offering the first time. I was excellent. So that's now might be thinking well if it's going to be closer released least near this right. It's going to be boss my so. It's a toy between the republic and the book of bob fit for me so The rest is up. I'm looking forward to it. With those two specially fine okay. Juno all my if i'm going to take away from this is the greater good. You're listening to the star wars session outcast probably britain's greatest star wars podcast 2021 preview is over and now i think for the ikuta we should head into the pantene a- and see what you guys have been saying shall we my to it a couple of points of calf aka the the great good good mind for cheeky english point for those new to the show each week. We we sit down here in the team with the greatest listeners in the galaxy which is you guys we have a couple of the aforementioned cafes and we want to get your thoughts on our mind discussion which of course this week is the twenty twenty one offerings. Here's what you had to say. Yes absolutely and to start us off in this. Very spicy segment of the show is our boy vic cash raw less hero. I'm luke because she's happy twenty twenty one to birth. I'm quite lucky. At the moment. Because i'm catching up on the last three seasons of the kleinwort's shortage installs installs content for made for now. However i have seen the trailer for the bad batch which i'm really looking forward to because it will fill the void perfectly after i've finished with the colonels. Also it looks like to see a cheeky. Bit of shannon the ban batch side looking forward to see how her character develops too cheeky. bit of offensive. Shan't indeed the cash. Thank you so much for that. Awesome voicemail may my boy. The cash mentioned clone was right. I got message today from a friend could fill and fill is clone was on disney plus worth watching the his very casual stall was fine as he is just odd watching mandalorian this week and he thoroughly enjoyed it he likes some of the star wars a hard one because i feel i would feel bad saying yet jump in inmate you can love it and then i four episodes is going to be like what is this is a feel wants to feel the thrill then thing to do is to google anna science proper city but the kind was best arc's cause some of the oxygen and the am barak them maybe not the mortis but the embar rock the move staff for the mangalore a really costly start wars and he always need to know everything that's going on this long as you've got an understanding that they were clones out there you can pretty much go straight in so you could probably start with some of the better ox because i say come the first ones i've gone back and rewatch for the patriot and with all of the knowledge that we've talked over the last few years from the books games films comics movies video games all those films suddenly me those crime wars episodes serie suddenly made a lot more now because there's more white attributed to them for everything else spur for newcomers won't be rookie stars but she's the first two seasons which aren't as bad as i remember but they do get best you might be worth google asking for some of the better ocsar start with a fill like anita leave him a voice mile explaining that you know might even just send him this yes politics sections what life fifty five minutes to xyz but yeah thank you the cash for sending in that spicy message you save the cash the cash what would you site to fill last night. I said you know it. Boiler snow through us from written responses. Of course social media handles which will give it the end of the show. Johnny alif king said one hundred percent. Har- republic is what he's looking for to excited to get something new are known new characters not so tied down. I was come before this episode of the cost comes out. Ob reading the jeddah on certainly hope you enjoy as much as welsh. Wookey said currently awaiting my republic. but i'm loving. This is hopefully going to fill the void of mando and distract me from january but makes most excited to sfu's a long way off for the moment and act. Good moon says most excited about the claudia gray novel into the dark and the mandate seasons three for sure i think mind is season. Three's now coming out with twenty twenty two. But he's starring production they see so we'll give you that one might. Yeah yeah oh very very good comments up next brooke bellenger said the book of boba fett has me thoroughly excited accommodate. See what's in store for boba and finish and i'm also looking forward to the bad batch. The high republic and thrown ascendancy see greater. Good loss leah. Nor how kwela said anything with fenick shan't on she rolls. Thank you very much for. Oh those spicy comments guys equate. No throughout the comex has been a lot of excitement for the booker and the republic as well which is pretty handy plus there has also been a fair. You mentioned for throwing the sentencing good so looking forward to it again. The last one carol sorority will surprise any decent onuma pink good but none of them really risen. Above the level of good for me characterized the past four so far so great. Good my end up. Being a lot of excitement will work by in our public for luke said. Thank you for sending in your message. If you didn't get to this week we will certainly look to feature you on one of the upcoming episodes of the band senior extra contents patriotdepot dot com forward slash starrewards sessions. You know it's going to be good best. Podcast podcast Ed danny boy asks. That's why we are in the spiciest parts of the band. Tina where patrons gets. Ask us a patriot. Question that's ryan kick us off. Is our boy luke. Summer field with a new eel number. He's asking us map he asks us. What are both of your theories on. Why grogan is during the sequel. Trilogy mine is he could be a soaker or ezra or he could be on manda law. Whoa thinking that mattie boy hudson any of those could be true. I don't think he's luke skywalker still during the sequel trilogy because the not in the last jedi false awakens because looks on the orland and i think i hope he's with dean i some point night Get back together. Said we'll see each other again. He promised him you never from a child something. Because i don't forget so. I think he's going to be we've within. Hopefully he's retired. Maybe retired to salkin. And he's going back to that village to get together with the widower so once they are think he's with the mando. Hopefully not with Luke when the temple gets destroyed as it did in the ross of i rent so i think i think he's within jar and he could be of a soaker or as but couldn't seem overly keen on taking him for the very good regency guy. You so i think it'd be awfully suddenly tehran. Luke stadium okay. I'll have them now. So i think he's going to be with dean. But what about you might right. Unfortunately a half to hijack on because because that was actually. My answer are cont. I account see there being any other options. A really con- has to be grew with dench. Surely right surely. I think that is actually going to play into the whole story of the mandalorian series. I'm still convinced on yet to see. Another compelling argument the grow goo be alive during the sequel trilogy. And he's gonna end up with with right and finn. English rose right right. That's that's where he's going to end up and dinh's just back and locking giza on a rocking chair with his helmet off watching them train and stuff and he's gonna. That's my bar. That's why over at mando. Listen matt jon. Favreau and dave loney on sitting in office right now thinking. How are we going to kill off. Grow gu how can kill off these money making machine in the most absurd way. And they're going to do they are they. They're not going to do. I do think the soka thing could be accurate about but leuke boy. Let me a seizure. Question a seizure but let me razia soka as fra. Do you think they're going to be alive. During the sequel trilogy shooting and they're going to be alive. I reckon they're gonna get killed him this some last year and before assign. We're going to see matt luke skywalker at some point in the mandalorian. It's given me more. Spor- is giving me more confidence breaks. Yeah right hang on what our sources given us this stuff here. I actually occurred. Honestly see ohka dying in at the end of shallow something at the end of the like that. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah the cyber dying to save ryo something from au. Bon is based otari basically. Yeah i've been before. A lot of certain parts of canada. Mando are putting story first the time so no. They're not necessarily prioritize. One thing i've ever and that's why. I hope that alkhanov off the pipe sounds awful. If they all gonna kill grew then it if it makes sense for the story then do it do it. We just because those toys who cares if it's much swat star was had levelled it for forty years. Let's not put merchant toys and lunchboxes ahead of telling good story. And then there's me preaching to one of the one of the richest companies in the world. Who likes making a bit. But if they could prioritize story and it means that baba has to go then it will obviously be for the greater good intended interested. I think he'll be a life jump through a few holes to say where he is or they could to say he the gone by this time. Nobody luca dissipate. He just went into a normal command. There was no jet. I cough to follow so for. There is an easy way out of it. And then after the sequel trilogy. The of her live luke sacrificing bay latino eighteen our whatever. Beat picking up the reigns. Now kind of thought gonna find this reiko and starting again who knows tons up for the battle of exco gets blown. Yeah he turns out for the celebration in tell you what did i miss. Yeah gets drink over. Said beats the big human. Uk's forgotten his name. Now it's really bad. Pay gone probably freak and i can hang out grow and bobby. Yes good question. Nikola reverse question soaker. Ezra they still going to be around the sequel trilogy interested in those new patriots. Steve miss reindeer. He asks one which. I can only assume it's absolutely directed at loup blah. Here he asked. What's your favorite item at fast food place. That was only around for a limited time. Mainly mcdonald's so luke right on now. Suddenly the house expert of fast food right hang on the thing is the crazy thing is i do get a lovable. The all limit run stuff. I'm all over it. Glisten steve mcdonnell. I kind of have a love hate. It's not even love. Hey it's not even accion. I have a like dislike relationship with mcdonald's to be honest. Stave a format donalds. He's like consistently okay. Mcdonald's are made absolute filth loved that light la other curry the other day from minto buzzer delivered twenty percent off justin stay. Let's say jazzed. Ed mission that the snoop goeke song as well banging absolutely banging. It was crazy. I never do that. Women donald now listen stave if you tell and if you really if you really push me for an answer the double pounder. Krieger air. mind behrmann stave. The our exclusives over here are different to once get america because i think oh stevie boys over in massachusetts usa so maybe the double compound listen. I don't get all like mad on mcdonald's you something else die. May i have brought the heat on something else. Google easy i go. I started going absolutely mental when tanko bell. 'cause i'm going for something similar right. I'm assuming you want something similar. So forget mcdonald's let's go to taco bell when taco bell bring out the naked chicken taco. I go mental boy you know like taco shell right yes. Imagine but it's it's instead of shell it's actually like fried chicken right and in the middle there's just the salad and veg and cheese right so that show meet. The me is an echo. The toco is the me now. Now hang on wall there. Whoa their own stop now. Don't stop now. We spice it up a little bit i tell them i'll have a naked chicken taco blaze that anger on before you finish that. Let me add. 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New england is a group of a few states riot gray. Go then i've been schooled. It's like ham newham massachusetts new york on the old colonies. I think most of them that northeast again. Let steve last night for wrong be raising wrong. Every word of what. I've just said was wrong for that is a quality answer for me. I'm not a massive. Used to have mcdonalds when i was young garnered much anymore. I don't know the states have managed to keep them mcdonagh's tasting noise. Because the ones over here i used to be will be wrote a rape bicyc- but have a group process mosh posh lovett companies. They did new york bagel stack burger. Which are actually quite enjoyed. It was a bagel to bogus cheese. Bacon this pepper mayonnaise quite nurses who does not happily classified rome atkin but keep in terms of Would bring back if i could use a magical dream. Stone allow wonder woman i four. Who would bring back. Dunkin donuts in terms would be used to keep that place running. I basically and then when they won that it closed up over french open stores around the uk and go on instagram. And i send him a message. Please bring back the show withdrawn so. I've ignored my request. So i want dunkin donuts backing chelmsford as soon as possible. Because that's my favorite brand of doughnuts. And i'll meet them. I need them either. Dunkin donuts in new york. One time and i was actually a wee bit disappointed but take that back by dancing at the donut made a had like it was like a brownie. Donut and it was a lot. It was like not not lie monetarily. Cheap as chips may tapie bows at night. This is a law lie in the cream which originate in california. I believe i should have gone to those with my j. h. cooperate with he has a. Here's a dunkin donut around the corner. And he's a teacher so when he goes to inform. You doesn't get doughnut but usually get a coffee but just the words just telling him story but just hearing the word dunkin donuts once a week. Greeley makes my blood boil on one around here anymore. You know what though it'll right when my friends from california have come to the uk there are there are things that law merican products we have in the uk that they don't have in california dunkin donuts is in california smiling or it's not super popular is just not really thing just like how you can get in and out in california but not in the east northeast. East coast love him. I love their false food. Culture doughnut king around the corner from or live now. Thirteen australian branch of doughnut. French one of the biggest in australia. And it just come to essex places. They love it didn't they. They do not knocking now. Qua qua went off tangent there. But yeah that's what we think he's loving it but to be honest. Maybe a few question asked us about british. Snacks will blow down. We'll give you the lowdown. Maybe one day we might now. You're some you never know up next last but not least ato is our boy from down under is duff dildo who asks what would be your ideal real life. Conversations interrupts by randomly asking. What about the droid attack on the keys. It's a symbol my boy but can you handle it. Can you handle this question. My going to obviously one of them would have been is out of loved way was being born if they if they are asking. You know we need to do this. Commitment midwives rushing around. We need to do this. Can you check this and just to say what about. The george tackled just to have a room full of angry midwives. They wanted to string me up just out of the end of alienating any meeting when when the question is asked to any other business or can we wrap up hand up. What about the joy to on the keys to the end of the mating is the moment where everyone's like please please. Nobody asked a question. We just want to get a please. Please please just to ask that question. Just to see their action. Everybody's swin horror of you put in your hand through that meetings and then have in that nine question aspect. If i had the kony's i would absolutely love to question at the end of end of a business meeting. What about you boy. Right okay So around man's here. And i'm having a cup of coffee. She's not a few biscuits. Get phone call. Luke beckham home. This is this is twenty seven. Sixteen now wisconsin. Now mom luke despair come on all right then drive. I'm dr i'm reich. I was going to be about mom sitting there. She's crying her eyes out. Mom's friends there. As well suzy's they're trying arise out what's going on luke. Purdie has had to be put down now. Purdy was a princess map. Forget about lia- yes demand. Princess cat cap james. My brother he knows all about. Yeah just mum's discounting details man. Yeah start walking funny. It was just it was. You know who's just the right time but also needed to stand up show so compassionate. Yeah and sit down that dolphin. Look my mom in the is he has big brown eyes. My mom and well by the droid attack. What the joint attack on keith. You could cut that tension with a knife. And he's got about lake more about the join. It's kind of a case because shakes before musty odor. Gone out by himself. And then and then i started our mental start losing their mill. How dare you. How dare you be upset about. Heard your princess when they help were case. Yeah oh being sent to mindanao dinner. Why don't know why was he there. Why loads of rookies imprisoning mim ban. I don't know but they are that. Say either that or may be on a no lie. Gerna mortgage me in or something. What yeah something. That is a good one night. Maybe we could film ourselves out of it like a prank. We'll put it on put online or something. Yeah let's do it issue issue the challenge to everyone. Now send us. We'll give you the links at the end. Send us your video or audio. that's what you can do of you interrupting dropping. 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EP 5 - Jordyn Woods (Model) + NYC Loudmouths, Back To School, Amazon is Burning, Apple CC, Chateau Marmont Dinners
"My check one two one two mic. Check one two welcome to another episode soda behind the baller. I am your host ben bala aka the korean john cusak yahuda who the fuck said that but someone said that she had a long time ago and it just was kind of bugged me out i was like do i really look like that. Fuck especially when there is a long time. Ago is just some weird shit. You're saying we got a big big show. This is a it's a shit about the tea in the drama and the controversy and stuff a lot me. I'm <hes> about controversy. I guess but you know like that ain't my thing man i go sit here and gossip fuckers and whatever almost speak opinions on we'll speak truths and and <hes> actual facts about what happens in my life you know saying and then <hes> that's about it but we got a real big show today and it has dish. It's gonna be heavy in. It's going to hit so. I get too much into yup about some other things but you know houses thinking. I was like you know what man i'm about to hit new york city next month. I love new york city and <hes>. I just could never lived there ever for again. You know what i'm saying. I love it back. Never lived there in. I was living there. During the reasonable doubt era duck down records era. You know what i'm saying when priority records had the east coast division and like like the blizzard of ninety six that was the one that just said i ninety six the blizzard fuck this on another note. The focus snow day was i didn't know you could just shut down the whole city and everything it was just crazy. You know what i'm saying that no not for me can't live there. You know what i'm saying but speaking of n._y._c. I thought this week was start off kind of chill. You know what i'm saying is like you know like my kids about to start school. When i was like you know got a couple of errands. I gotta run. I gotta handle some business. You know and it's like yo- just trying to to have a show week benign. You know some people are still butthurt over so opinions that i had and like listen man. This is my philosophy like yasha. Take it to heart what i'm about to say because this is like just this is just a help you your opinion about me. He is none of my business okay. You know what i'm saying. I will be in new york soon like i said and i'm always on the block. I'm always on forty seven. You know what i'm saying and you know one of them. Dudes one of them do who got butthurt. I name is saying thing about dude really like really for real greg did and i wanted to pass the buck creek. Greg said what he said in you know no big deal you know what i'm saying but then due to bring up some untruths and he brought up my mom you know what i'm saying so i was like all right. Well let me get petty and end your life and and <hes> like there's no argument with anyone who could add two plus two knows that are brought up the truth and <hes> dogged borough come on man like this dudes followers got real real bold super confidence super disrespectful respectful slatter break out the industrial sites. We know raid and just sprays fucking cock roaches. A news is crazy but i'll tell you this one things as you know that happened from all. There's some the do make up all that noise man. I'm saying mom into all this shit you know he had old hold ice pack was yesterday. You know what i'm saying so when i hit forty seventh street i'm gonna pull up dude. I want to see if he has that same emotion with that. My space eric camera saying when applied to his shop in them and i'm i'm down with him and we won't get into all this bullshit. I'm saying when he was on some good shit again like i said my kids started school today. You know it was lit and i got super emotional seeing them. In the uniform. I'm saying rider started kindergarten london's in first grade you know and just like they just look so fucking handsome and thank god my wife for the great jeans and looks and this morning. I should show you know what i'm saying is a valley area and is the drop off area and i pulled up in the minivan. You know what i'm saying i do. The washed washed the mini van. I loved that fucking car and <hes> this dude put up in his ferrari to drop off his daughter and i was like okay. That's that's how you feel in all right cool so i went to go pick up my kids for school today. It was a half day because it was the first day school. I brought the ferrari. You know what i'm saying to pull up whatever it was petty. My kids are happy to be there to see. It ain't seen in a minute. I don't really drive that car that much but anyways first day of school accomplished <hes> it was good <hes> <hes> can we for my son to make some friends. You know what i'm saying. Got my son's birthday party this weekend. London is turning seven. I can't motherfucking believe it. Shit is crazy and <hes> onto some more very serious news. You know <hes> we got a very special guest end up by the name jordan woods and she has some controversy controversy. You don't hit her and she's obviously you know i'm saying been laying low in and i'm. I'm really happy that she came down. We got to chop it up and had a you know we have a great show heterosexual to tell you the truth is the crazy part. I've never interviewed anybody in my entire life so this is <hes>. I'm really excited for you. Guys is going to be lit but was interviewing her. She brought up. That amazon was on fire fire for like two three weeks or whatever it was. I didn't get like super research level into it but the amazon forest contains something like is it ten percent of the airspace cleaner that we something crazy like one quarter of the world's water supply or some shit and it's been on fire and then someone else house told me my friend crystal was like yo <hes> the reason why a lot of was on fire because there are some spaces to to bring more cows for meat and we'll get into second to why i'm really feeling like shit. 'cause that's just fucked up. I hope that's not true but it was amazon is on fire and it worries me a concerns me and a lot of people in posted it and the people who have been god bless you guys. It's amazing. I don't know if you guys know i used to own a nonprofit organization seattle and and it was called friendly earth dot org and electric recycling company did a lot of good donate a lot of money to inner city kids schools into programs and things like that you know what i'm saying. I think a lot of people kinda wonder like you'll manuel. She tied to seattle you know my cousin lives out. There and my wife was born there. My father in law went to school there. My father-in-law's inlaws been a seahawks fan. Since since the seahawks were were founded was at sixty eight sixty seven somewhere on there so i was a raiders fan for like thirty ears and shit for minute diehard motherfucker how was blessed have a couple of friends that play for the raiders what i'm saying shut my man charles woodson and <hes> <hes> after a certain point like around two thousand seven. I was like yo bro. I told my mandate homicide your family. I love you. I love the raiders but they had just ahead with number. I'm done so in two thousand twelve. I jumped onto a the seattle seahawks which million years never thought i would thank god i did it before they started winning like for real and now beautiful rock with them ever since having season tickets for the last you know six seasons in <hes> <hes> seahawks lit. I can't wait season starts in a couple of weeks. I'll be out there for the season opener shots boy wrecks and <hes> my family right there but yeah man <hes> you know going on and going for a lot of people don't know about the charity in the nonprofit and just the things i've done because i never really promoted it. You know what i'm saying. Listen man. I wouldn't mind you know going out and having sworn videotaped me giving money or give them food to people whatever and it just never happened and i've been a part of a lotta shit. You know what i'm saying like. I don't need somebody to mr fava's backpack program gus mother i should. I'm doing this year but i never wanted it because i just did it. You know what i'm saying i had it. I had the bread fuck it. You know what i said. Let me help some people out and that was cool in my mind. I felt good about ninety nine. Tell anybody needs to put on my social. Social media and i got a massive platform. I know that i just didn't feel like doing it. So with that said you know what my boy macgill's page man. He post a bunch of things about amazon and i was like gilman's fucked up and i'm saying i feel scared for our future for my kids and some clowns some smart ass motherfucker just thought he'd leave some clever comedies. I thought he was only me lee as something clever in you know be cute from a private page like maybe something you know to make benfield stupid and now like i really feel dumb saying rarely and you know he said something like well. Mining for diamonds isn't very good for the ecosystem either and when i saw the common outside kyobo like you have the stupidest fucking commented that you know what i'm saying like maybe you should go and choke yourself. You know what i'm saying. Maybe you should try to fuck in you know fall down some steps before you know ten pm evening like bro there are so many precious metals and other other things that people mine and other mining activities and things that people mind for that affect the ecosystem and and just everything more so than diamonds do and those things are for like building schools building hospitals building satellites like if you don't get the fuck out pro like shut the fuck up some people were really say to stupidest fucking shit so anyways the other day i ran into one of my boys over a riff and he had this white titanium credit card. This ship was lit. What what the fuck is this in the new apple credit card and then i just start seeing it was trending and a bunch of people that i knew had it. My cousin has wilma business. Partner got one and i was like hold on wait. A second demo boy paul got one and like people applying you you apply for the card and it's the first obviously apple's ever had a car and there's all these perks on it. You could fucking you can text message via. I message customer service and is just like you could be your apple pay and it's just there's no fees and a._p._r.'s real low and they're just like no tricks. No it's no frills. It's just a straight up dope card and like. I decided like fuck it. You know what i'm saying two minutes right here on your iphone boom and sure enough off in about two minutes or less. I got approved for forty thousand dollars right and like a lot of my boys have had credit for a long time. You know what i'm saying. Got proof like twenty five when that apu for like twenty long got approved for like six thousand or sixty five hundred one of them got approved for like thirty like forties good. You know what i'm saying and i got like a lot of credit cards and i'm saying i have credit cards. I talked about a mix charged cars and just straight unsecured credit cards upward still bollocks six thousand dollars right and like i think about ten years ago my credit was absolute shit and i was like a at a five ninety and i had just stupid as dumb things like a foam bill for eighty six bucks just should i wasn't just taking care of what was that out of money. Just wasn't take care of your car. It was cool. I was always able to get a car because you buy a cash or whatever put a high hit down payment. Dow was like a priority for me. You know what i'm saying you of where it was. I had no kids then but like ten years ago glad couldn't get approved for a fucking game. Stop fucking sixty credit card what i'm saying like if they had one i'll make an should up but man travis shout to my man travis wilson you know he fixed my credit big time like he cleaned my shit up like silly. You know what i'm saying and i've had like i don't know i'm guessing at at least six million dollars and car loans in the last ten years. You know what i'm saying how a lot of cars paid off loans saying that help but like with travis he just cleaned up my credit and a whole different level. You know what i'm saying. Help help me get the best rates from mortgage and i'm saying if you got fucked up credit. My man travis will still get you approved like legit. This works wonders he's. He was a president of a major bank back in the day and he just said fuck this. He just does his own thing and so you know he fixed my credit and my shits like eight twenty two right now. You know what i'm saying. That credit is incredible is impeccable. You know what and i mean. I ain't got no small-time shit on me and i don't really have no debt. You know what i mean like. I pay my credit cards off every month and <hes> you know i. I got like a a big spending adding limit. Depth ratio is not really well. It's it's low but if you want instagram checkout at trav- for the stars t._r. Travel for the stars and travis man he just he just fucking amazing do manage just you know and like he made some bread off do just. I don't know what it was so. I decided to to help dude out with other things but we won't get into that if you want your credit fix if you need a loan for a home credit line for fucking a car whatever mamand travis to get it done definitely definitely hit them up. You know what i'm saying always remember man. Being broke is part of the game. Stay broke is some personal shit. I know what i'm saying so anyways tonight man. I want to dinner at one of my favorite spots and went to a chateau mama. You know what i'm saying. Chateau mars like classic legendary hollywood would shit. This ain't no fancy neuville modern contemporary hotel. This is just a legendary hollywood landmark. You know what i'm saying like just super legendary. What i'm saying is like a spot where like the rolling stone stayed at and shit. You know what i'm saying. The people party here is just like you just than the stars. That's behind it and like it's just crazy you see like you never know like last time i was there. I had no fucking idea like a pulled up and i've had a lot of dinners as rocky there. You know what i'm saying like at nowhere. I'm having dinner with fucking melanie griffith. Show what i'm saying like antonio banderas the table next to us it was just like super random random and like <hes> having a rock 'n cheese legendary jeweler super super legendary rockstar jeweler had my birthday dinner a few years ago. A picture should always floats around me and amigos and like rocky and ian connor. You know ian man. Hold you have my bro. I know you ain't going to be the lawn can't they can't fuck what you bro and <hes> you know i'm praying for you. Hope you all right anyways manhattan at the chateau. Ma you know the the the menu. There's real simple breakfast lunches dope. They got a really solid burger. I don't eat red meat but tonight. I am sad to say i broke over three year streak and i had add their spaghetti bolognaise and i don't regret it. You know i do what the fuck i want. I try to be more conscious about it but <hes> their spaghetti bowl and has got to be not the best. It's the second best the entire city i would have to say. Scholar has to be the best but their spaghetti bowl nasa's fucking amazing. I had with my man anton with mahindra sanam damme <hes> i wanna say something but my wife obviously and we gotta split pleasant surprise by our old friend shay mitchell by the way shea congratulations on your pregnancy congratulations to you. Matt has dopey bow to have kidman. Just it's such an amazing thing. Always everyone meant parenthood has changed me. Two two totally different levels and having a daughter has softened me so <hes> now. She's going to soften you crazy. You know what i'm saying but yeah she told us lit <hes> go to run into my homegirl china chow tonight china child from the mr chao family <hes> but more than more than that china is the girl who introduced me to pop art like i was always into graffiti obviously because i was x. Graffiti artists but china used to art her unofficial godfather but really her godfather was well. She had like two three godfathers but one of them was andy warhol. No bullshit chew story like the real deal china's. His mom was one of the first major gigantic supermodels in hollywood. <hes> tina chow her mom was best friends with andy warhol <hes> coco chanel keith haring and jean michel basquiat and you know just some minor people you know what i'm saying no big deal just enormous like fucking icons in forever it history but yes so you know china introduced me to part <hes>. She has a fucking massive un fucking believable ridiculous sick fucking insane just stupid crazy one of one collection of warhol's boskin boskin just insane and she had him forever and in china on my best friends and owner for longtime ice live with china. She's just like an amazing person. She actually put me up on a lot fucking high fashion shit early on just i she just so don't man she's always put me up on things and it was dope seeing her tonight. She's <hes>. Her boyfriend is billy idol. Who's obviously another insane rock and roll legend so you know i got cibelli. Adult life logo chopped up with him. <hes> was crazy. Anthony kiedis from radar chili peppers there. You go to chateau mom off. You can get fucking reservation there. It's fucking wednesday night. It was just crazy. It's just so many fucking people were there and <hes> shots woman elliott wilson. I ran into him tonight and his wife and everything and it just it was just crazy unit as it was. It was a dope time. It was a good dinner and <hes> gay. I broke my streak of red meat and i'm struggle have stomach ache later but it's all good. I don't want to go too much deeper but next week i definitely want to get into the reason why my nickname in college. During football amongst football team mates monique name in college was cheap shot yang cheap shot shot young this is before i was involved saying this is nineteen ninety-one so redshirt year <hes> and my first time to an n._f._l. Combines and i'm a chop another forrest gump story deciding right now. I don't know which one is should be whether should be the time. I met prince like formerly or one of the forest come stories. I got about michael jackson. I don't know we'll figure that out right about now. My man miles davis is about to play a funky jazzy. Lakey leaky beat my man at lakey inspired. Y'all we're going to be right back with that. Jordan woods interview. Your miles hit me one time <music> so you're you're. You're i have a very special guest today on behind the baler podcast and it is the lovely miss jordan woods guys will join say guys but really i'm talking to you. Yeah we're here behind. The bali is that it was called. 'cause you know basically i'd like you know people see like the jewelry or this like the nice cars and whatever but they don't like this is like current deeper. It's like my background. Yeah how i got how i got here and like me being a dad and what i don't sean instagram. That's it's hard to talk. <hes> how do i say it's hard to put my life in a caption. You can't there's too many and it's too long and like you know but anyways. I really appreciate you coming over. We're here to the to the million dollar man cave to to do the show. Definitely is the man cave so let's get right into it and <hes> you know so komo followers and my listeners who don't know and everything else like so like you know. Where were you born and raised. I was born and raised in los angeles california l._a. Native live it's rare. Where are you from kamanga the born and raised in koreatown l._a. Like i went to fairfax. I went to beverly hills high. <hes> i mentioned for the first time in my podcast that i got kicked out of eight schools so finally parents can take them. Why does he get kicked out. I house i do graffiti. I was gambling. I was gone to fucking gang. She fine people's anyway going on. They had to say to the bay area to like a neighborhood next to berkeley california. I went to school there for a little bit but i came back and finished nah but you know i'll part elliot from. I'm from the valley valley girl. I will physically typically well. I was born in indiana california. Okay tariana hospital but i grew up in this really small city called oak park dino barcus every single air in the world. I've never heard of fucking especially fuck apart so oak park is by agora. Oh okay okay is is a really small. What you go west of shoop or like fallbrook like i'm not like i really grew up in the middle of nowhere okay <hes> and then i just stay there until i was about thirteen than i moved to calabasas in but i moved what people people don't know is like. I moved a lot when i was younger. <hes> after like twelve years old i started moving around ally i was i moved to thousand oaks folks now moved to west hills and i moved to las virginis than it's always been in the same area but but did you change schools when you moved. No i decided decided to homeschool. What the fuck was. I home school. It was cool. Most of my friends are home schooled. So was easy it was the thing about me is like i i loved school like i was such a nerd. A lot of people don't know that about me is like i was always in advanced. Classes is <hes> just like i love school until high school and i stopped carrying okay so when you went to did you go normal high school no i i started homeschool. Hold on so so you never went to the school with at least a thousand students before you never really like no. I did through all grade school. Oh okay okay okay and then wednesday high school home school. I just would procrastinate. I'm a libra okay. I'm sorry look. I'm like a kinda fucked with signs a little bit but i just know like a few but what month is lee september. Oh shit you yet so okay so you grew up in l._a. Yeah grew up in. I ah grew up <hes>. I have three siblings. I have an older brother. I have a younger brother a younger sister my sister's twelve so she's like almost ten years younger than me but oh shit yeah but with often the same parents oh fuck so we're all from the same parents. My parents were together pretty much my whole life. My dad worked in the t._v. Industry he was a sound engineer for television so he's so he was as in <hes> the t._v. Industry my whole life. He worked on the fresh prince that was like one of his shows so that's how i know the smith family family right. That's why we're so close because my older brother was best friends with <hes> trae whose wills oldest son right then jaden our best friends than my younger brother in willow like the same age dessel crazy so like <hes> not whatever part of the whole thing of this podcast is i call myself the forest gump hip hop. Have you ever washington forrest gump okay. Do you remember how forest is end up. Being like in the white house like a scandal happens. He was there <hes> like something major. That happened to pop culture. He happened to be there and started right so people start saying that because i've been in the room during some historical moments in hip hop but i just say that because i'm always around right so going on and going forward how i just time myself and have a little thing like you said you close the smith outright <hes> i don't know well like not at all or anything right but <hes> <hes> fresh prince was supposedly based off of loon whose rapid i will sign it did he signed a bad boy famous proper and he wouldn't even even know that you ll went to beverly hills high school in like kinda live this life. It was sort of people say you know it's kind of like what life was about but what's crazy is <hes> <hes> and i'm not trying to bring up any bad nothing. There's actually nothing scandalous or anything about it but one of my best friends growing up. She actually is the dude who taught me how to ball like. I got my name baller. 'cause i played basketball in college basketball. I play basketball. I you called me. Yes i've been been baller since since since september one thousand nine hundred two and outside from playing ball. That's crazy so going on. My boy play in the n._f._l. And he was like the man he won the national champs ship with notre dame back in the late eighties and he was due tommy how to ball he was the man his name is tony smith and james t smooth and him and jada dated together for a little while they're serious. I'm like i d- jade it had to be jada. Hs twenty three the twenty four th the twenty fifth birthday. I forgot what it was but it was around that time and i had a birthday party and it was at denzel spot call creek alam melrose longtime go. This is like ninety and it's funny because jada was always cool boom and then <hes> tony he was always a dog he had a dog named kenji crazy rottweiler and begin to the stories because tony had to do name caesar that was always around at anytime dog she came boom and then tony introduced caesar to jada and all them and next thing you know i didn't even know this even when the show was already big i had no idea that was the fucking dog whisper yeah. He's like. I'm like a super legit. You know he did a lot of my homies dogs and anyways so so that was like the small low had jaden whatever but i haven't seen them. I know jane what i'm saying and i remember like a couple times willow come around and pull up to tyler's future the store and she was like you know she would always go to that future story this before. I knew any of them in i._b. So terrified to walk in there because i'm like they so scary tyler's crazy so intimidated now it's fine but when i was younger i would get such thorough going into that story. 'cause i'm like remember she came in and she was literally like like i've never been as i think i might have been almost that starstruck when i first met prince but she was so like her is like she he was like trip in. You know what i mean. It was like yeah entirely like best today no big deal but so that's crazy and so you are close to the family. That's dope man jaden just such a nice nice guy. You know what i mean like. I said it's such a cool dude so what i'm curious about because like i've been following you for like like two months now and a colleague. You know i'm just saying you know what i mean like. You can't like base off anything like stories and stuff but like like what do you do on a daily basis. Every every day is different from me. If i have no work to do okay so the thing about me is every day. I wake up i decide. What can i do today to be a better person listen. I know it's cliche but unlike whether it's working out getting to the gym cooking if i just feel like i need to sleep the whole day whatever ever i need to do that day to be better. Tomorrow is what i do. Behold were stopped. You sleep the whole that better for okay sleep the whole day. Is this in instance for me. I went to d._c. Yesterday i got back at noon. I was there for a total of ten hours. Oh i was exhausted. Some days you gotta take it off and sleep. I know listen you're young. Do you know what i mean by. Sleep the whole day what you do in d._c. If you don't mind me asking i did a little club uh of started. It was called griffin so little okay. I just did a clearance. That was my last appearance in dc. I won't the d._c. Clouds but i was curious what the same spot boca going now. It was like a day party. I ended up pulling a bit like ten pm for two hours on portia ten p._m. But it was going all day. I was like the final party that they had. They had four parties. I day shows the last one but yeah i just. I just this decided why not only like my second appearance ever. Go get your bag being real. Let's go get your bag like. I don't don't go out anymore because like well first of all enough you dad right like and i don't go out because i just don't wanna be that okay. Keep you do and like people still think. Some people still don't know how i am so i think i'm i'm in my like early. Thirties and shit like today like two things one. I was in the club business too. I just hate being fucking anymore. Honestly you're not really missing anything if you don't pull up to the club. That's what i've learned at a young age if i'm not there. I'm not meant to be there and unless i'm getting paid it's a birthday or it is an occasion. I would prefer not to be out there. Okay so then that jumps right into the next thing. So what do you like to do for funding <hes> like i said i kind of nerd. I just started learning how to play the piano piano. <hes> i developed a lotta hobbies <hes> in the meantime. I took like a month off of social media. Everything and i just started playing the piano am i. I write a lot right. What like poetry signs. Maybe i i saw. Can you write me wraps. I can rap. I mean maybe non-playing so. Let's go back a little bit right and <hes>. I'm one big thing is <hes> we all know. Social media is really important. You know what i'm saying into people's lives. It's important that like someone like nestle. You're coca cola or united airlines or wendy's or fucking chick-fil-a. They rely on social media. It's a big part of it so involving company me that a lot of people have to get hip to for sure my and you know when you start seeing on the news. Newscasters are putting their ads like follow me boom so my question is you got up social me for a month okay while you did you like that's hard to do. You know what i mean like. I've done it for like three or four days. One time i did sunday for like a week or actually actually i did it for a week and people bug the fuck out. They thought i was dead or something. They were driven. They're like you're okay and then i was the thing i turn my phone off too so real meat <music> to okay yeah. I just needed that time for myself because social media can become toxic and without it. I noticed noticed i was waking up happier really cool. I my mind felt a lot less clouded. I felt a lot less worried about what was going on. I don't need to see what this this person decided to put on today or like what this person decided needs today but is also like my news outlet right. It's what i go to to find out what happened when i was asleep why you know i miss my newspaper. Does the crazy part on my last episode. I just said when i wake up in the morning i check twitter because because one it's ten times faster than a local news. I love twitter and twitter's. My favorite is linked. Brave top generates comedy. Go get my entertainment account. I say with twitter and i i will always laugh. I if i go on twitter they i'm going to laugh at something love you now so you're just like first of all. Now you like real my niece so going on when i wake up i really do check to see what's training because of like oh shit this person died or exactly and it's sad but it became i would love to create a social media outlet to where you can control what you see okay. We won't get too deep into this but i mentioned before and we talked about it off recording. I'm not start a social media like it. I'm not fucking left to create a news outlet to where i can go to see you know now what happened in the arts category what happened in the culture the sneakers like for instance the jewelry <hes> what happened with the deaths but i can control so to where i don i can filter through all the bullshit listen. I'm not bullshitting you. I have the most insane thing that already about to go beta like this month on. We'll talk to you about adopter and i definitely want to get involved in this so he says what i noticed about social media is that you can't really control what you see and there's a lot of things on there that i wish that i never see and so you know for the everything is on social media. Everyone has social media. I knew that it really took over when my grandma texted me for the first time to my mind. Hey grandma got an iphone a month ago. I was like okay. This is insane. This gets crazy. I know kids our technology. Whatever whatever and my awesome was fucking with ipad a long time my son call. I was in china and my son called me and i said well shit sought london so i thought my wife was calling me and this is like like he was five right and he called me and i was like oh my wife just her phones pie being busy so she called me. I was like i was like house bay. What's going on as daddy daddy daddy. How much money do we have far also called on london. I'm busy. I talk to you later and that you have on your hands and so i went to his phone. I checked his phone sunday. I just did charging at check and my son is like so i go into pictures and he took a hundred sell fees feace. He took thirty pictures of his baby sister and my daughter and they look just like random stuff a little bit off but i asked him. I said who taught you how to do this and he goes grandma and like now. If you don't know filipino people are not filipino. My wife is part. Filipino people are addicted. The social media phones everything so my my my mother-in-law she taught him how to use ashes fucking hilarious and my brother actually faced my grandma. She had it up to her ear and she freaked out and she saw his face on. She said she does not like to be on the camera so although that she has learning to do by for show mom's kinda like out of it to she'll get like sometimes i think she thinks she's texans. Something else like i'm like mom. Listen and you have to go to the grocery store and go buy the groceries. You can't take somebody in like she didn't get it now. Kim no no i'm talking about. She thought she was talking to like okay. She tried to text trader. Joe's in like yeah yeah yeah. That's amazing so i'm curious and i'm sure you know it's kind of a cross network between mining yours and whatever robert like are you involved with like people wanna know saying interesting. Are you involved in any business well. I feel like i am a business became me as a person has become a <unk> business. <hes> well people don't know about me is that everyone just assumes that i come from a very wealthy family in that i don't have to work and and you just like live off of this and offer that but since i was about fifteen i've been financially supporting myself and fifteen yeah just because i would be around people that could do whatever they want. Get whatever they want so. I wanted to be able to do that myself right. <hes> so i would make money off of just doing you know little instagram post. I remember the first instagram posts. That guy probably feel like three hundred dollars. Fifteen three hundred dollars was enough to you know get my nails. Done and things weren't as expensive as they are now. There wasn't like the whole getting my lashes right. I grew up also a tomboy. I do not care about itself really not girly whatsoever like like i was the tomboy on my friends are boys. I grew up with brothers. I didn't wear make up until like i was probably seventeen so i- financially started supporting myself at about fifteen and i just like you know as my brand grew i started making a little bit more or i would make like three thousand dollars for pose and that would last me sixteen seventeen three thousand dollars especially if you're smart with the last me for for for a minute and then when i was eighteen i signed was my modeling agency. Well amina new york and i never knew what i wanted to do. I still don't know what i'm doing. I mean you're listening god nor do till i was thirty still just going with the flow but i've always since i was about about twelve years old knew that i needed to figure something out. I always had this mindset of. What do i wanna do putting the intention out there figuring saying it out but what people don't realize that you don't have to just settle for one thing. You can do everything you wanna do in in the beginning. I used to think think okay if i'm going to go to college. What's the one thing i want to go to college for in. I would beat myself up over all the time right until i realized is i don't have to do. I can do everything so right now just been experimenting trying and since i've had that intention out there since i was it's like fourteen right now. It's starting to fall into place. Listen first of all. I'm like impressed impressed because from afar and i was wondering who you were right and we can get into a minute ena known. I'm talking about like who were just in general like who you where'd you come from bob la whatever just the basic superficial stupid questions and i was like okay yeah well because we have a lot of mutual friends and i was like okay and to tell you the truth was i had no idea because you seem very quiet and i never really heard you speak before more. I'm saying in general pretty quiet person unless you actually speak to me and get to know me right and so you know i i was like okay and you know <hes> and listen. I'm not saying you're not pretty the in person i'm saying you take good pictures and everything else and i was like okay so when you say you're tom well. Fuck you talking about but going on. I was curious like how you because you said. You have three siblings right so it's four kids listen. I got three kids. I don't want to tell you what my bills are like. You know it's tough but at the same time you what's different today especially now you know what i mean like a thousand dollars when i was sixteen years old is like ten thousand dollars. Now you know what i mean. It's totally different so so you figure that out hustle and admire that now the more the <hes> me personally. I'm learning more about you just right now and i'm like i'm like i'm proud of you. That's fucking dunk you. Did you know what i'm saying so like you've kind of covered it but like ideally in a perfect world. Well actually let me scroll back real quick. Hold on let me back backpedal. Sorry guys back a little quick. I tell people this all the time. I went to school one because atta scholarship. I play ball too because i'm from asian family that my brother and sister both went to grad schools. They're very smart. Asian people are very hard on education. Not saying that black folks on or anything else but it's just it's a different thing. I hate it. If it was up to me again i would never went to college but i had to fulfill their dreams after that. I was like fuck this. I'm doing what i wanna do. School is not for everyone and if if you listen to what jordan and said you can't do anything now. If you want to be a doctor a lawyer or something in a specific field yeah you may need to go to school. I learned that going to school. If you know exactly what you want to go to school for it and it's going to help benefit your career. Don't go to school to figure no. You're going to four years and you've wasted fucking three hundred thousand dollars of school owns and you. You're not guaranteed a job in college. They don't teach you how to pay your bills. No <hes> i would love to go back to school though i would love to get a degree in psychology because i just love knowing how the mind works as well as getting a business go to city college classes on it. I'm not letting you go back to university and i'm going to do it on my komo news time. I'm my computer's something. I cannot go to college campus anymore so fast boarding now back. I wanna talk about that school so fast. So what do you see yourself ideally in a perfect world. Where do you see yourself in five years. Oh been if you would ask me where i saw myself. I self five months ago. I can have imagined it would be right here so five years. My life works at a very fast pace. I'm time goes by. I think in all of our lives now extremely fast so in five years. I thought about this twenty one okay so by twenty six twenty seven. I would love to just what i noticed about. My career is that. I wanna feel like i'm fulfilling something in what helps me feel. Fulfilled is helping people aw and i haven't figured out exactly in what way i want to help people because right now. I'm just on my hustle grind. We're trying to get you building the foundation asian to be able to have the leverage to help as many people as i can i think with my whole body positive movement and being confident in staff that has helped women and other people feel confident about themselves some somewhat helping people but not helping them on the scale that i want to. I mean just real quick like how do you feel about ashley graham. Oh i love ashley. We used to have the same agent and and she was. I've worked with a couple of times. She's awesome. She's just doing the damn so happy that she's pregnant yeah she she actually if you're ever listened to this. This is congratulations and <hes> you know. I let actually walked some jewelry. I met a couple of times. She was really cool yeah. She's she's really did her thing thing. In this industry she's been in it for so long inch. She was really one of the pioneers because she was one of the first curvy girls coming in here in trying to really make her place in industry when people were not having that at all right i came in at a point where it's still needs help but she was doing this way before boy so okay. This had nothing to do with anything. I was even thinking about going with it. I hate like i don't talk about religion because it's just like you know the sensitive top but in this is even more sensitive but like now that you brought it up and again. It's nothing against her or anything. I'm just curious like being a person of color. Do you ever noticed like there's like a little bit of racism gets you when it comes to marlene jobs and stuff. I think that just i'm flipping real. I just no no i just i noticed some things about <hes> color that like for instance. I grew up up in a neighborhood where i was. We were one of the only black families lilia thousand oaks on abbas. I could name the two black families families in the community and we were friends with them. <hes> i went to school. There is only two black girls. I mean this girl. Lia liaison short dark skinned girl <music>. I'm a tall light skinned thick girl in still some of the teachers would see me in class and be like leah and so that's like a few of the only times times where i felt the <hes> color is more felt different because i i never really felt like that. Growing up in luckily luckily yeah group a household to where we never really paid attention to color wasn't a thing nonsense until recently the industry right right right right and seeing how certain things have played out and for instance like i had my instagram hiatus and i came back from from my hiatus latest i had short hair and everyone was saying you know. Jordan's broke now. She can't afford hair extensions. She god first of all that was a. We've that i paid ah y'all return. I personally feel like if i wasn't a black girl. People wouldn't say oh. She can't afford hair extensions anymore. Bad hair get some crazy shit like certain things like that to where i'm like okay but now i feel what is like to be <hes> that a lot of people today. This is like gone down two thousand nineteen so like a lot of asians and white people or i don't know so many latinos but but like a lot of asian white people. They don't know what it's like for black girl to have here. You know what i'm saying like. I was in the hair. Thing is a real ono. Listen listen. I <hes> had a had a. I had a black girl rb group. You know what i'm saying. Imagine going on tour with them listen. I remembered their manager telling me like bro. You got to go like you going on to three black man was like hold on let me stop you real quick. I don't think people don't even know this in in whatever and that's why you know. This podcast is sending a majority of the girls goes i dated were were either mixed black. That's what i dated most of my life. You know what i'm saying like. I was and it's like that was just what i was around in. It was something i was attracted to and whatever and and <hes> my house also was like you know like when my mom is definitely old school. My dad was to what i'm saying like me me personally growing into what i never look if i don't like you. It was like like model like that guy. Oh you don't like the guy who's black. I like. I don't like him on the fucking person. Your parents care about you dating outside. They didn't like it at all. In fact they wanted me to be with like a straight grown it just wasn't. I don't think i even dated or even slip on shit. That's fucked. I mean i don't think i even marrying this. They they they they used to hate on me. I think like it wasn't till like literally thousands and like. I want my fucking date like an eighty eight or eighty. I'm thinking how long ago that was. I it into like a tooth out like mid-2000s that i even went on a date with asian girl or even korean whatever so so but going back the hair thing like people never saw get it what i'm saying. They don't understand that she's so crazy. You have to have it and deal with a you don't understand it in. I have struggled with my hair for my whole life because also like my mom being multiracial. Her hair is different than mine in my little sister series different than mind. We're all everyone like my little sisters curly hair but her hair is you know thicker than mine but like finer my hair's coarser but it's it's stiff much. Everyone's different and it's like to again again to the asian and white people who listen to my to my show podcast. It's not a joke that it is a it's. It's it's a job. It's a whole whole world of itself and <hes> it's fucked up that they say washing go. I mean you can wash and go but for me not even washing my hair and leaving. It's still going to take me like an hour to to make sure it looks right. It's not just like a hot shower. Leave the house house but it's it's a sensitive topic for women not just like black woman. There's so many other women with different hair struggles no of course china dominican and puerto rico who have yeah like there's so many but like me talking about the colors and everything <hes> i said that publicly one time and people were like oh jordan <hes> just said she realized what it's like being a black woman and i'm saying that's not the whole point of me saying that i just now just discovered. I was a black woman. No i didn't have to feel you know like i like everything. Everything i say has been kind of taken out of context because it's easier to create a story with that with me explaining dot example. It just shows like like okay. I do understand who i am like in this position in that i can really feel late and i don't know how to explain it the right way without people taking it this listen my entire life has been taken out of context so even if you can't articulated ticketed the proper way just say fuck it just spit it out and then we'll just leg no i. I've been black my whole life. I know what it's like to be black. I just didn't have to be in the spotlight in understand fully until recently when i got things like oh she is bad here now. She can't afford extensions extensions or she's doing this. She's in the homeless shelter. She's the unlike homeless shelter what the fuck oh yeah i got. I got ran through the my fellow for i mean let me ask you a question like i'm so scared my kids to grow up right like i'm petrified within the go to high school kids. You know what i'm saying like. I watch you for you. You ever watch that show finished. That focus show fucked me up. I love that show really as she killed that shit. She killed it. Unlike cindy sendai reminds me a little not fucking we'll back saying like manners and certain things like this kinda geeky thing is like that's how my oldest son is my middle son writer. He's going to be a player this latter the money that was my middle. Son is the one like you'll daddy. We take a friday which carmen like villa. Listen talk about this right now but my middle son is like it's embarrassing. You know like my wife. I have a friend over and she's like pretty girl. She'll be like being a bikini and my son back. Oh hug up on our notice. She has has big boobs or something and be like oh so soft. My wife like you know this. Is your son right here. This is really your son guy. His mother's personnel yeah chill so going on. I mean what i'm trying to say is at your age. You live in that tech stage. We don't call people. You guys wanna texan. You like sorta sorta like in this weird thing. That's what i generalize it definitely but you seem like listen. I don't see those school for these fools. You can be honest. Oh gee i wanted. Sometimes i do want to go to the phone and knock someone the fuck out but at the same time like lots man fucking when i have time though i loved to torment format people and i'll troll and whatever but at the same time like how do you like that's crazy because like one time i was on your page and i was like oh shit like some focus really like saints sansom left and i was like you know you know what i'm about to go defender and then i realized you know about him getting this shit shit but so like with that say you deal with haight so again you talk about your mom. Listen man is elizabeth right. She'll listen shot till is bit. Words your mom. Tom is so cool. She's such a sweetheart and like just even a little bit. I talked to her. She's so dope and everything they were alone and she fucking did a hell of a job with you and that leads me into the next thing thing like what is like. What's the biggest misconception about you the biggest misconception about me a lot of people people. They see what they see on social media. I don't show my personality. I don't show much people like <hes>. She has no personality they say a lot of bullshit but anyone that gets so now me is like that's not you. Fuck them <hes> but no i just. I don't show that much on social media so the you don't people don't know that like i have a lot of hobbies. I do a lot of creative shit. I like am located out or not. There are thought the nerd thing and the piano and all that action poetry but actually like. I do a lot of shit and i'm always working on something. Are you a mentor to your little sister. Do you help l. like yeah. My little sister and i like recently. There's a big age gap and so growing up. I i love my little sister. She's is my twin. She stresses me out because twelve years old now it's talk. She must lake yesterday. She was out in she texts because i was going to pick her up and she's like oh by the way i took a mere chanel bag. I don't be mad and i was like it's like ah it's starting early. No my wife would like my daughter better not that for sure had some words with her but my sister she's like the many knee and stresses me out because she skipped that awkward phase she did not have that tomboy phase that i had <hes> and two brothers my older brother. He's an artist. He's super talented and i just wish that he would like get out there more because he he just did this tattoo on my arm. Your majesty that the weather is so talented. That's fucking dope. He actually noticed that what i forgot for it when i first met you know what i was like. Oh sure that shoes news yeah. He's super tattoo dude like work with the best on the earth his stuff. He's super clean gene. That's cool. He does like the best his best work is portraits so you guys can't see obviously because it's the fucking and i don't wanna do a video podcast. Stop fucking asking. You're not getting the puck. I'm and listen to helmand motherfucking how shorts i'm wearing fucking slides like i'm really on some join came. You're all fancy and nonflammable. There's no tattoos a script super clean the fox clinton lines clean which is really hard to do on your tattoo artists <hes> he's so let's see i grew up in a very creative household. <hes> end people don't really get to see my family which is kind of like my my special private now. Watch even monica post no bags. She don't put like my wife really does kids. She don't post no like no. Materialistic issue postal cars and it's just like people are like wondering and it's just never been my wife my wife listen. I threw my mom. All i'm showing my age. She hid for like ten minutes behind the wall. I was taking a shower. I got ready got dressed. Put low show myself and she hid behind the fuck more for like ten fifteen minutes so she could scare me and i threw my back out and she does fucking yeah. She thought it was funny and i was like yeah. She does not that funny. My wife is a joker. I would do some shit like that. Honestly yano just people don't really know me and they'll get to know anybody. I love just working on anything directing producing everything so i'm excited to finally only branch out and show people my more creative side and what they don't get to see and you know you don't need to see my they think i have a very dry personality <unk>. I'm i'm okay with that. It's good because you kept very mysterious and then when i met yours like oh shit well first of all. Please tell the listeners how how tall you are. I am five eight and a half with heels on. I'm probably a solid five ten five eleven heels on your like six six feet six like real hills your your real hills. I'm like six v and i'm i'm no i'm six feet and i'm tripping because i had no idea you were that fucking tall like whoa what the fuck like. I was like blown away so with all that this is like twelve inch. She's almost my height. Holy shit jab youtall. She's gonna brothers my values six three and my other brothers six to shit okay. Let's go yeah. We have family and my mom's short so i don't know no. She miss that so. Let's get into some important shit like let's get into the real super important question. What's the real soon <music>. So are you single or are you dating someone or you. I'm really in a relationship with myself right now. Okay <hes> mm-hmm have have you dated in the last couple years. Yeah i had like a full relationship then. No one knows the vaca boyfriend and everything and i never went public never posted it like we were together for like eight months. I think nine months she'll let me ask you a question because you're younger and you say i'm sorry i'm fucking so out. Nobody knows that so. This is new cool so let me ask you a question like how is it dating now. Is it like our men intimidated by oh you like. Are you like like yemen are definitely intimidated by me but i'm a very nice when people get to know me. I'm very nice very friendly. Eh i love meeting new people. I love ming-ling. I love you know seeing what people have to say but most of these guys don't have shit to say and so that's why i have to ask this schick like listen man and is the puck. Did you ask that question like you listen. Please tell me what bergerson you dick. Pic the d._m._z. honestly if a random accounts just picture. I know that i not gonna open it. I'll tell you about the on okay oh i've. I've never actually had a guy that i knew who that was than me. Just random dick pic. I would feel extremely violated god so that would be like the end of the conversation precision listen. You ain't gotta get specific. I'm just curious. I'm curious like my listeners have any celebrities leading ideas before these probably some right right now. Oh yeah no my d._m.'s. They're popping. I can't mind you but like i said nobody has shit to talk about so oh listen. I'm a forty yeah. There's a couple of eight here but now do you want to know and i wanna get nobody in trouble but the crazy thing is there there was this chick right and she i'm talking like she had the most craziest looking asking the my entire life now. I don't think she had implants but she is went to crazy with the fat transfer and she had like she's she first of all she. She had no boobs no booty. She has a very nice body. This crowd avs and everything right and she has like maybe three hundred thousand followers whatever and she just only post pictures of bikinis she has like seven hundred sees a she has a triple d. boob job. It looks implant implant. I used to be like i'm a boo man but anyways she's ganic fucking triple d's she has crazy injected but and <hes> the thing that's crazy as she only post pictures of really really skimpy bikinis and stuff right and so like of course one of the focus is gonna slang not me people sliding d._m.'s and she started put him on blast. All the celebrity do that yeah. It's just it's just it's just crazy to me is so corny but like okay okay so i would be hype if like bill nye slid into my d._m.'s and i'm sorry bill nye if you're married or something right now i don't know like i'm sorry that hadn't nobody i. I mean like if someone like not many people impress me are excite me but like if someone super cool like him okay so why does he impress you. Tell me what what's like. I like smart people. That's <hes> that's dope. I don't so if he drove a prius. You still win them. You you want to know what's crazy. I saw bill nye and he was driving a prius. I said that i don't know i don't know i saw him on the street probably three a years ago he's walking down the street and i really wanted a picture with him. I've never asked one person for a picture ever all the people i've met. I've never ask anyone for a picture that is hilarious. Okay so and i didn't get my picture. He kind of ran away but you don't have a preference right like you don't like it's all like okay well. I like white guys like black. Uh-huh not at all i just i i like what i like and from me. A personality is a big thing in since <unk> tall girl. I prefer hey hold on listen so be but like what if there was like a six foot three asian do that was cute and smart and obviously guys smart anyway. Would you give them a chance. I've talked to asian guy before he was like kinda mixed like adrian full asian but i'll give the people a chance but these days. I haven't really given anyone a chance because i understand that you need to like time but i'm bored right now so i'm like kind. I'm just like <hes>. Maybe i'll give somebody chance but then i try. Em get into like text. Mike no especially i. I was just having this conversation because i just went to go see my grandparents in a going on their sixtieth anniversary like they're about to <hes> in november will be their sixtieth anniversary sixtieth married yet. She imagine being married for six years yeah no. I'm just saying nowadays. I don't know if if anyone will make it that far but you know what though you can't like that doesn't mean you can't go out and try sure would love to try but i don't think that my generation innovation even thinks that marriage that match anymore i read some articles about that and reasons. Why aren't they well first of all. It's people don't realize this like i haven't heard late in life in certain things like <hes> but like it costs money to be married. You know what i'm saying. You gotta have money and whatever you know they can't be. You know completely broken. That's not true. Sometimes you can see s- always wanted the courthouse but i mean like you know like to. It's it's not cheap you know in in with that said you know i've been married for. We've been married for seven and a half years the together almost ten right and i waited until like late in life. I don't believe in rushing. I was thirty nine when i got married. Thirty never had my first kid and i was like listen. I'm immature as it is like you know. My wife is ten almost eleven years younger than me like. I wanted to make sure that i was like this was it you feel me like i was in no rush and like for women. It's it's different because because we need to start having kids yet have a kid at any age is a male pretty much fifty one in like i didn't know what it is take. My wife told me like france gabrielle union me. Gabriel union been friends for twenty four twenty four no shit. I don't want to bring. I mean people know her age but i mean me and gabrielle union each other almost thirty years. We've been fragile on time and you know how do i feel like i could ask gabrielle anything i get asked her and and we she's been cool. She's one of the coolest fucking people i know. She's still don't so happy. She had yeah and shot nicky. Her nickname is nikki 'cause. I don't know how to fuck but her friends call nicky. Her middle name is monique and i guess nick nick nick so nikki. <hes> charlotte to gabrielle shia via had her just had her baby and like crazy so cute so cute and like you know. I didn't know this until my wife told me. After thirty four is considered high risk yep after after thirty eight you know you can have like autism down syndrome and all this and this and this and that's why they ended really hard for your body to recover having so many celebrities in vitro it's expensive would ever going on like <hes> just that's crazy right and it's not fair but when it comes to like being fair and things are today like and we're still talking dating like let's say you're on a date okay and you guys go to fucking no not noble because that's at the medicine do not going to say no so let's just say let's just say you guys are at and also the most romantic place but let's just say you guys are cheesecake factory okay. I'll talking down there too okay so you're gonna cheesecake factory and the bill comes and like who pays well l. If you're invited me on the date you should pay for it okay. Let's say especially for cheesecake. I me personally. I feel like a guy or should i just feel like that's if you're inviting a woman somewhere when you should take care of it so on the third date. Let's say you like oh. Oh you know what i want to go to nobu queued to nobu you ask for noble and then like the bill comes three hundred fifty like what do you do sometimes sneaking out and pay for it to like to you like i got into. I don't need you to pay for it. I do like someone that can take care of me because i want to know that if i'm with you we both can have something to contribute. Maybe you don't have to take care of everything all the time feel you but you're listening. You're a rare individual. You seem like an amazing person and that's just as listen i. I haven't had too many girls who've paid from a meal with me <hes> yeah. That's just not how i mean. At least that's not how can i raise for sure. My wife had a successful bikini line before we like but at a certain point i was like hey babe. Listen man. That's cool. I know you make money but let me just i rather you just not work and she's like well. You know you're going to get my dreams. I'm like it's not that it's like i got you like yeah like i got you got you. You're good like you ain't worried about your good and like she does so much on a daily like i don't want it to work. But what i'm saying is like that that that you feel that way and me personally which is a weird thing like <hes>. I don't think it'd be with the girl who made more money than you would. Fuck me up you. You know like the dominant thing it's like the power males have such egos and when you have someone that makes more money than you. The ego gets in the way. I'm i'm just naturally. The male ego can be very destructive. My egos the worst thing i've ever had in my life. I you know i used to have ego flashy cars. <hes> chains like that no more also the egos killed barely back in the day. There was officially a big ego along okay. When did you first. I hear me well besides the countless rap songs that i've grown up hearing your name <hes> i've just i feel like i'm around the same people that you're around so just year round obviously been violated the change but i mean like so you've heard of me and i'm like what what was your. What did you think of me. Just like what you like i wanted to like. Did you ever think like this guy must just be such a fucking weirdo. He must be such douchebag felt like we probably hollywood. I'm not a judge mental person at all. I just feel like i like to get to know people before judge them but i didn't know what we would ever have a conversation precision about if i saw you in passing i'd say what's up but i didn't think i'd be sitting here talking nominee on this podcast for sure and that we can actually relate on multiple different in things <hes>. I'm like i'm fucked up because your y you're really cool off first meeting you and stuff and everything but now i'm like and again i i never judged. I just yea- judge people judge me naturally after like whatever i still didn't judge you host kind of like damn. You wouldn't like just because again like i said you have such a fucking you know mysterious like i'm a very private person yeah. You know what i'm saying. Yeah my relationships being for this so that's cool. I mean well before. I get into the next question like is there anything you want to ask me so i kinda got the backstory now. You grew up in l._a. What was your big break. What was your what got you you into this crazy. 'cause people ask that question and so many different ways but i play basketball. That's something like been. Bali is not not because he's balling. It's because he's actually on the court yeah but that was like okay so i was always an athlete. So where did you go to to. I i mean we weren't so. I got a scholarship playing football. I at at cow berkeley u._c._l._a. So division one. That's great and i'm gonna get into that in one of the episodes because we're talking about the racism shit that i felt with. Could you imagine asian do football or basketball. I mean both so i was the first asian might university play basketball and football so like when i did wear ooh when i did see an asian person like i gravitated towards them so what's up you know and like whatever could they relate to. You totally different. Okay look at your young. Could you imagine like like think about evening your father zero your dad's or mom's time imagine but imagine engine that right and then what you know of me now okay and imagine you're not very old. You're really young imagine every asian person you've ever met. Have you ever vermont anybody that you could think of that. Had the story of mine like mine not an asian person not a black person white. I know so so so going on like i played sports and like anyways so that was part of my swag. I didn't want to go to college because there was a dude. I went to high school with who became became stupid successful. He's still in. He's like enormous monster in the game now ziems guile and went to school nice head of a maverick. That's madonna's co. He ran every i can't even tell you the dudes resumes crazy legit and like you know your area has a lot more like legends in icons than mine fine. Let the marinate a little bit but yeah. I think like i see a lot of regurgitated like remixed. People redoing story and i'm like yo dog. We don't see where some a new she like besides tyler it so few people that i can see redoing it but i'm going on i had i had the basketball part right at hip hop in my blood then and and everything else i was in the music business our dr dre. I work with denzel washington. You know work with a lot of people. I think with all those cool experiences i i just learned how to be an entrepreneur. I learn how to get to know. Those people like how let me get started remember. I told you a little bit ago i d._j. Jada pinkett birthday party so that bar restaurant club was owned by a lot of celebrities was owned by brad johnson. Who's like eddie murphy's best friend who's also so like super. This guy was a socialite in the black community <hes> he owned a soul food restaurant called georgia and was like your mom and dad been there. Your dad definitely rest in peace has been there for wildman. Komo been there and this was like the most pop restaurant they had the black grammy party. The black oscar party and i was a d._j. For these parties the reason i got that job was because i saw denzel on the street and he was walking across the street spike lee stop store cough forty acres and a mule no roads right between point seti and at times of eli it was a dope dope dope time and i ran up to him and he was walking out of his porsche. Listen listen listen. I know you like hip hop and i got a c._d. Gotta mix tape and like <hes>. I wanna play this mix tapes. Okay what the fuck you why because you opening up a new spot and now you're going in there right now and i wanna give you this because i want to be d._j. For your spot is i will sour the nightclub nightclub mcdonnell by now. You can have music. Just let me do it if i'm not dope and at the tape don't move you then out i'll d._j. For a year for free so sure enough like a week and a half or so which felt like ten years i got a call back from tisch and you didn't have like instagram or like instagram i wasn't even there was even a cellphone back then the phone. So how did he get a hold of you. Hide a pager so i get a page contact. The girl and she's your oncoming this friday that friday night i go in and queen latifah having a birthday party and this is when she was probably enormously popular set it off. It's not just that she had been living single. She had like t._v. Show she had. He knows like she was popping. She had a party there and then all of a sudden all all these huge celebrities are coming in there to park and everything crazy and so actually met house craziest this holy fucking shit i met to back for the first time at jada his party and then that's how we became cool and her entire jada was super close. I didn't know that like until then he was just chilling underneath the deejay booth just posted rested also oh shit that's one night. Dr trae came into the medical. This is crazy like i'm watching a movie. It is crazy so dr dre came in actually several times he's come with shug and one night he came in and it was the night that all the owners decided to go to vegas and they said don't play no motherfucking hip hop. I want to gangster shit fuck and drive by shootings in here and my boy was a part owner and i was like i beg you to guide please. I don't you wanna play no rock and roll in this motherfucker. I don't wanna play anymore. Earth wind and fire. Let me get like let me just please let me go up so i go off and i take a break. I go downstairs and sit at the bar next to dray andrey comes up to me and he goes hold on how to fuck you know about this music which you know about that music and we end up talking in extent we exchanged numbers on africa who's drinking along allies tea and <hes> i try to pay for his drink juice at the bar so it was like you'll boys that come on man unlike was already beyond legendary skies been legend like five times in life and i was like <hes> broke like just jane is paying for for my written stuff salt lake we connected and then from there ended up getting a job and from there you know i just kept climbing and kept climbing meeting people and i had a lot of people like fuck your clown enough actors. Do what is the chinese do know about hip hop well. Actually i'm korean. Okay was koreans now. Are i forgive question so if you were to be born in this area. Why do you feel like you could have done what you did in the past okay so there's two ways about this if i was born in this era ahead all everything i had from before. I think i'd be a billionaire right now. I'd i'd be a famous rapper. I'd be a famous actor and i don't like ten companies now now. If you're talking about me being born in this era and having the confidence i have and smarts but not having those experiences man yeah no it will it'll be it's the competition now is crazy right like there are a lot of people who are talented just get overlooked in russia because you might not have the right image sure like the right amount of follower is the right amount of or the swag we just got into this whole jewelry beef thing and like technically before i became a jewelry i knew nothing about it until my cousin and my uncle kind of showed me the ropes and then i learned the game in listen. I don't want to be in your uncle. Jewelry <unk> got you into it well. They didn't give me into it. They were asking me to get into it when i was already in the music business but i had just broken off relationship will my ex-fiancee had only other one i've ever been to she comedy tommy cheating and so she left me and i went through like a crazy state of depression and on top of that i was like you i just became a millionaire so i'm gonna have fun and go travel the world and then question. Do you think that this is okay. You're not gonna give you an honest answer. I'm not talking about the married ones. Do you think that all men vinci. I always ask my guy friends this shit man because not the married ones right just wondering because you're married and like you know i know your face to your wife but do you feel like i mean i just think of that. Little duval saw by don't cheat you know what i know. It sounds crazy and this and this sounds so racist right. I don't really know too many asian guys who cheat okay so you're saying asian right as in motto <hes> asian persuasion listen. I don't really know what it but to be honest with you. I think it's fifty fifty you know. I think it's just certain things and whatever i don't. I don't know it's weird you know and and then i remember going back to gabrielle gabby leads to say look it'll mean shit until you know until you marrying at the ring and blah blah fi. I honestly don't i agree with that because if there's a ring what no you should you should listen. You should respect somebody's feelings and everything else and i get it. Nowadays today's everything so accessible. It's so easy you can go to city d._m. Someone there at your hotel within an hour you lee. I'm sick. I i'm just saying i am in time in this dating pool right now in his yes filthy. It's like two can't imagine i'm scared for my kids and like i am what's his name writer writer inland writers about to be of an audience routers routers already deemed girl he so dad is been been 'bout <unk> okay. He's so crazy but not you know i've done so many interviews right. I've done the breakfast club. I've done everything. No one's ever asked me a question about you know. How do i feel like men cheat like that's fucked me. Up is kind of made me think and like so like with that said in all that i gotta ask you. You're so who's up right now. Hot girls boys. I mean the city boys. They had their time but obviously it's a hot girl summer forever and <hes>. I think that you're actually your role is important in this now <unk> senior with meg yes. She's awesome uh-huh. She's really. She's a real girl right. So are you now you like yeah. I get along very well. You're hot girl first of all. How the fuck did you guys end. Unintentional girl so i don't know about me is like i'm really into music and like there's certain songs like khalid location that song i found her had like two hundred plays now that song is hold on you said what now so like khalid they had like two hundred you really founded on soundcloud at two hundred i haven't found it and it was it was one million was like no i found a two hundred plays. I found bryson tilly. Don't like probably five thousand plays hold. I've been really into the two people who really came out of nowhere like i don't know who bryce into there was until fabulous did his on he did this summer shootout mix tape and i was like wait a second. This dude is really and then unlike rice and if you hear this any more music <hes> by the way i like to so few rb ought really get like he can my music music. Is something that i'm i'm really really into. <hes> and i pay attention to a lot of artists and just like especially our n._b._a. I love arm viola barmby to there's some really dope female artists right now but like i said i would love that something so you jumped at you found mega. I found her freestyles early so i've been i've been hip to her for a second and i started following her in out of nowhere. I feel like she blew up. Anyone you just have those instagram friends ends or you just show them for sure so she showed love to me and then basically we'd deemed her. I i think and i was like oh. I was like you are in your only and right now. I don't feel like there's anyone. She really did come who was really something totally shoes in her own lane. So i hit up and then she hit me she was in l._a. I was going to be in hot girl summer video. I am missing the video fuck but we linked linked up after right and we just like genuinely became friends. It wasn't on some mike. We just get along so going back to music. I'm sorry i like okay. You know the girls up coup p guys. I'm gonna say that i don't know who the fuck is up. I can't say that then. We're in trouble even even right now. Who's like cool your favorite musicians because i'm interested in music. I was gonna talk about music. <hes> it's so hard can pick a favorite. <hes> um as like aren be female. I really like ari lenox store now. I don't know if you've heard of our. She signed a dreamworks gene ville using jason. J. cole's new project <hes>. I didn't know who she was until katie kevin durant he showed me. I was like y'all go visit should open and ideally kim's like forget. You better go and i downloaded yeah she. She's she's though yeah is really dope. She's someone else. I wanna link up with because she's cool <hes> fake instagram frenzy right now soccer. I don't really know is she's. How about like school by school. <music> eighties nineties eighties nineties so there is growing up. There was always music playing in my house like always old i'm m._b. Donald jones evancho's like all all of that stuff <hes>. Who else did i grow up on well first of all. I'm impressed that you even listen to sound cloud because like my wife has class. She listens to spotify and pandora and stuff like <unk> sound class. When you really do find somebody like i was really deep into a tory lanes toy lanes and i think he has some hates. I haven't really deep dived into his music too much like i just found a new artist. I never heard of her. My entire car life ever but because i'm friends tiger like i heard this dosier cat is i've been onto doj cafe longtime. She had this song back a year ago called so high never heard of this before in my life and she's like trending like two days in a row video is dope. She just came out with this video. What tiger and the song right right knew who the fuck you like. She had this song so high. That was so good. I still haven't listened to that. <hes> that girl billy is illegitimate early eyelid <hes> she's super. She's super cool to i went to coachella and i listen to music a little bit but when i saw her perform live i i was like okay. She's she's special. I gotta fuck with her going back so crazy. You know what. I just realized this right now. I'm not sure but i'm almost sure so. I went to coachella cutty. We just we just did his chain like my favorite chain and did a crazy chain for him and i just went. I went to the i speak with him. I think in the family pit. I didn't wanna see heidi united. Nolan had my mask on my head on <hes> jason came into the dressing room. He came trailer and we're talking and i remember seeing you but then i thought i was a jaden. You had a group and put it this way if you guys want when you guys walked out of the group there was like six people. You know what i'm telling you took over the entire area defensive family heady fan so my question is this if like there. I don't listen. I know i don't ever introduce myself. Nobody because i just keep to myself i was by myself in there. What was quite good. He's manager for a minute you know dennis shot charta dennis but like if i walk she was like hey how you doing. My name is ben. I'm just wanted to say hi. What would you say to me by see all the time. I see where that state like okay okay. I should have said hi to you. The people are scared to walk up to me but once people meet me like even if a random person comes up to me. I treat everyone the same. Actually everyone like. I know like girls will come to me at the airport join it. I'm like hey what's up nice. That's cool like i'm i'm super nor mom. Don't get mad but anyway like i said at your cool and you didn't seem like but i did think maybe it was like you know. She just thinks she to fucking cool. She might be now. I honestly was kind of insecurity coachella. Ah because i was as my family i was just like with my whole family. There was a girl who looks just like you. Is that your sister. Now is my little sister. She looks like she's fucking twenty years it does it's scary but we just went on our family so because jaden i was so he had he didn't headline but he performed coachella but he was one of the big. Is there trust definitely a plus because he killed the performance tesla people tripping growing up like he always on and make music and one of his his career highlights was like i need to perform coachella so he finally performed because i know that in that so you know because the whole family out but you know because he will sign it was like listen because he will sign his counterpart. Let me just one time. I pulled the conway studios and <hes> <hes> this was years ago and bieber was picking up chain chopping off the bieber and he played me this. The instrumental jada went over i. I know i'm so upset that never released because i was was famous radio this motherfucker. Jaden was sipping crazy that you've heard that ars. No one knows that exists in his day went over drake november gone you. They went to be and they went in. I believe you know that ask jason recently. I'm like do you know where the hell that is because i need to to hear that i just read it bieber again making chain if it'd be right now and i heard the song years ago and when i heard it. I said that's changing rapidly when he was is regardless. Little fuckers was spitting. No rate was five years ago. It was spitting. That's i had that ad so crazy that you've heard she was crazy so now another very important question and i'm just you know just want your opinion. What do you think about the cucumber challenge nest. I i just think that as you know it's a zone do what you gotta do but at least leave something nothing to the imagination and <hes> if you wanna do that do that in your own time in your own bedroom yeah i mean is this personal. Opinion is disrespectful to women who think that we don't have to do that if you want to. That's up to you but it's not a good luck ladies abuse. It is not a good look. I will you will not catch your personal opinion so actually makes me feel very uncomfortable temple. Every time i scroll across the just just hang whatever but anyway shirts entertaining for may just feel like it's just it's it's gonna like. Don't you wanna leave something to the imagination. Yeah you know but anyways so. I mean if you're skilled you're skilled gonna alike but is there anything on your bucket list that you wanna like do like. Do you like the top one or two days. You have a bucket list so you want to do before you leave this earth. I want to skydive live because it's probably something. I'm most scared to do in life so i just wanted to do it just to prove to myself that i can do what i'm most scared of a bucket list. I would love to have kids i was just going to be it was fucking literally mytalk. Talk a little bit freeze so you do not care. I want to start like kind of young not. I'm not in a rush because i don't even have the the person i want but i got so lucky and my wife like yeah my wife <hes> she was like twenty eight. You know what i'm saying. She's like yo. This is perfect 'cause like my wife could still be like let's say when my kids were like in junior high and my wife is still be like a milk bone like she's exactly i wanna be able to you know still we'll go out with my kids. If if i want to my mom will come to the club with me. Sometimes osh hit your mama so i would love to be able to keep up with my kids is in also raise them know that they're still have time for myself to do what i whatever i wanna do so i also want. I grew up in a a big family. You know sounds like want really close to which is our super closer all super close so i would love to have like you know. At least three kids and i don't want to start too late because i want to keep up with them. So i feel like that's one thing. I regret but had to do it. The right woman and we leashes can have kids now. If you want joe having no moment truck anyway so listen to wrap up. I have one last question for oh. You and it's just a real simple question but <hes> because you like the only guess how jeweler and like i don't plan on having a lot of guests but one thing with me is music's obviously very very important in my life but food is really important so i'm just saying what is your favorite restaurant in l._a. <hes> i always eat the same shit all the time. I love sushi. I love mat su. He says like classic g for you. Don't know about got it. It's original restaurant his first restaurant ever people in his fucking last name and it kind of bothers me that i'm like yeah yeah. This is like no this his first restaurant <hes> and i love what else do i love. I love low key places laces. <hes> name and low key players like like like lasers restaurant called like paci and laurel canyon. I i just switching on. It's something i've been there the one that's right there in a little town. Get talion actually really cool little hidden late yeah put upon but did i no don't start whereas food i i talk with korean barbecue but i'm very picky right like i don't really want to think about me though you know what i'm saying i'll pick you and i don't even i don't i i don't i just stopped eating it too for the most just i've been passed these syrian for like the past unintentionally for like the past week and i feel so much better sean episode four right before this. I just talked about how our pets for months and everything else like. It's funny. You said that we're more connected than me can scare me. Is anything else you wanna say before. We sign off. What else would the people want to know <hes> listen. We've talked enough. I'm just if there's anything else you wanna say. <hes> say it now forever forever hold u._p._s. I'm not holding my peace will be more just say. I think we're good. I think they got a little bit of have an idea of who i am. I think they got a lot of idea of who you are at least a piece of little piece much more to come guys more than anything listen. I thank you so much so so fucking much because it's like cool because i wasn't like some thirsty like yeoman. Can you do this and it was just you're really cool about right and i think when meridian's align and they're just like what i'm saying it just like boom itches. It felt like it was meant to be and again. I thank you appreciate appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much joy in your that's it. We episode five where out episode and <music>.