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The. Today on happy. Second fused Oscar Isaac on triple frontier. Star Wars X men and do hey guys. I'm Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of happy. Sad confused. So thrilled to bring you first time guest on happy. Second fused today. Mr. Oscar Isaac Oscar has been on the must get list for quite a while. I thought it would happen sooner because he's a New Yorker. So you figure he's a round of done a bunch with him on camera. He's a chill guy. But part of the problem is he's so fricken busy lately. The last few years he's actually not been in town much. But finally the stars aligned we found some time he came by and we chatted about I mean, you just heard me tease. It all about four of my favorite different things. What did I say Star Wars x-men dune? He's like all the good things in the universe. He's a part of them. All he's just he's killing it. Oscar Isaac one of my favorite actors working today is the guests on today's happy say confused, I should say. Frequent podcast regular Sammy. You know? We're in love from the intro. She hasn't been on a while just arse schedule's not aligned for a while working in different places. It's just it's craziness. She wants to convey to the happy said confused listenership, how devastated she is not to be here for this one. Because as I was walking over here to do the intro today. I let her know that Oscar was the guest, and she basically had a full on breakdown because unbeknownst to me she like many of you is in a full-on Oscar Isaac obsessive state, and I get it. He's charming. He's talented. He sings he's got it. All he's got a good beard. I mean, come on what more can you ask for any a human being then Oscar Isaac so sorry Sammy that you weren't in his presence. And hopefully, the next forty five minutes of conversation will soften the blow of not being around him. But this was a fantastic. Conversation. So his new film for those don't know is this really strong on Sombor piece called triple frontier, it's from jaycee Chan door who did margin call lost and most violent year, which was his previous collaboration with Oscar a really underrated movie, by the way, maybe not underrated just a little scene got great reviews, but just didn't get the box office. It deserved check out. This one starts Oscar Pedro, PASCAL. Ben Affleck, Charlie Hunnam, and Garrett Hedlund. There's a fair amount of has Tyrone for you, right home? It's a it's an intense kind of a thriller action movie about a five guys all kind of friends colleagues through the years who are chewed up and spit out by the system, they're they've all worked in the military, and they kind of agreed to take down a drug kingpins, basically. Get some money in their lives and change their lives. And it all goes to hell that's not a spoiler. You can guess where it goes. But actually can't guess all the twists and turns this one takes it's it's a really compelling film and highly recommended and it's on Netflix. So it's in your home. It's on your TV. It is waiting for you right now check it out triple frontier. But as I said we cover a lot of ground in this conversation. Oscar for a little background was born Guatemala raised in Miami came through New York to the infamous Juilliard school like maybe the most prestigious acting school in the states got to know are another one of my favorites. Jessica Chastain here did a lot of theater, and then did a bunch of cool films. And then exploded thanks to being cast in the lead in inside. Lou Davis that classic cone brothers movie and since then so many huge opportunities for him. Of course, he stars in the. The Star Wars films as PO Damron. Yes, we talk about episode nine a bit in this. He starred as Pakalitha x-men apocalypse. We talk a lot about that. And why that role was so meaningful for him in why it was also kind of took a toll on him. And we talk about his upcoming stints with dunevich nerve in film. I've talked about a lot on this podcast his upcoming reimagining reinterpretation of dune, and I could not be more excited about that one. That's of course, Timothy shallow may and Josh grown heavier and Rebecca Ferguson and Oscar Isaac so yes, we tease a little bit about what's to come in dune. So oh, and I should mention a lot of people got really excited about Oscar talking about metal gear solid. We talked quite a bit fair bit about that in this conversation too. So something for everyone in this chat. I hope you guys enjoyed as much as I did remember to review rate and subscribe to happy sad confused. Used spread the good word. There is a lot of good things of foot. Wada, good things happening on the podcast and in my MTV and comedy central shenanigans. Just did a really cool extensive sit down interview for MTV with Jordan Peele, director of us and get out. That's going to be online very soon. I will of course that out on my social media, Joshua Horowitz. Yeah. Some really cool stuff and some some events out of town coming up their Star Wars celebration around the corner there cinema Kahn, which is always a lot of fun Las Vegas. So yeah, they're keeping busy here. But all in a good way and all hopefully for your amusement and enjoyment. So that's about it. I hope you guys. Enjoy this chat with Oscar Isaac. Mr. Oscar Isaac has invaded my space. Welcome, sir. Lou. It's good to see man. Thanks anchors YouTube into this feeling slighted because you are a local, and you do work a lot. But I guess that's the problem. You're working like you probably actually aren't here that much anymore. I'm not. I mean, this is this is the first time I've been here for this long. I've been home for January. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So you're living an actual human human human man that neither go work. You're doing. I'm not to be a human, man. I need to just fantastic. It's been great. Yeah. It's been really great. And I, you know, taking a lot of the year awful be traveling to Iraq as soon, but until then just get the we were speaking out before the Mike started about dune, which I couldn't be more excited. I the poster Evan here at emitted impact on me as a kid. We'll we'll get to that in a bit. There's a lot to talk about triple frontier new film. I really enjoyed this one. I'm a big fan of JC Chandler who obviously worked. Before on the the brilliant yet. Not I think probably not enough people ever saw. It's a most violent year back in check it out. Probably a Netflix to possibly. So so let's let's start with triple frontier. This is a hell of accounts this one of the scripts that's been like around remember following this every actor worth salts wanted in on this one when you finally read the script for this. And I beat them ause. That's fight club of accuracy. I was like eighth string. I was deep. You totally deep deep on the bench on this. But when you when you did get your hands on the script where you're like. Oh, I get it. I get why so many actors wanted to get a part of this one. Yeah. I think so I think there's something that feels throwback about it, you know, they don't really make movies like this off anymore. The scale of it the fact that it was this this action movie, but it's a character driven piece, and that was doing it, and he's got very good taste, particularly in the editing room. So yeah, I think it makes sense. Why people were really interested in diving into it, and it really deals with the special forces. I think in very understated, but truthful way. Yeah, I don't think you see a lot of movies of deal with just like the actual because these guys were used up and then spit out. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. And and done explorers that in. I think. None cliche kind of way. Because that's how these guys were. I mean, it was really interesting. I have on my adults and ideas of four coming into it about what these guys were like, and then actually meeting them were soft spoken and incredibly humble, and this one guy RJ Casey's incredible Dudin still working in South America. Still not sure exactly who he works for what he does. But he he looks like just like a surfer dude is about my height small build. Really soft spoken and the guys one of the most lethal people on the planet. And so it's just amazing these people blend, and I remember him saying like the guys that are all jacked up those guys that actually have the time to go to the gym the real people that are out in the field. They don't necessarily look like these kind of muscle fitness models. Right. This this might be the most testosterone heavy films since coming back to art mutual youths predator. I always think predator when I think of the like because I always have. Jungle also does famous stories like I don't know if you've heard of like Arnold and Carl weathers like at the gym like flexing and trying to like out with each other. I want to imagine that it was a case for this one. But probably not no I have videos of Garrett and and patriots singing Milana. In the gym at least or no. While holding all rifles. There's quite a bit of mine. Fuck okay. Who is most that piece being service all the time who wanted to who wanted to offer a little bit. Well. That's a toss up between Garrett and Charlie those guys they put in a bit of flesh. Like a bit of sunshine touching their flesh. Was there? A what was the initial moment. When you saw the Phoenix tattooed on the back of Ben Affleck. Hushed like Reverend sunset like oh, Mike. No. It was it was this really funny thing that we all had to go. We had to basically go to swim class because they need to make sure that we wouldn't drown. If we. On. And they're like they kind of put it like it was training. But it was really just like go jump in the ocean. And just prove that you won't die. Right. And that was that was really did. So. Yeah. That's when we all kind of I guess somebody on the team tip them. I think. Yeah. It was an impressive thing to do any tells us. I don't have you seen any tattoos of yourself by now on other people's bodies. I did I someone sent me a picture of a podium at two. Yeah. It was impressive. That's I mean that's half the reason to do Star Wars, you know, that you've defaced someone's body for all. You've been part of a really horrible choice of somebody. Now, I will live for maybe about twenty years maybe about ten years until starts melting. So we're talking about how this script like pops off the page is kind of a no brainer. What percentage of scripts that? You get are actually really this. Good. Like, what's what's what's the batting average of the stuff that you see, it's it's it's a tough thing. Because it's like what? Yeah. Like, sometimes what reads really great isn't necessarily what's going to make a great movie either. I think. Willem Dafoe actually who I was talking to you and asking about how do you choose stuff goods can be difficult, and you can read something that's great. That's really great. But then maybe if the director isn't really proven like what do you do side with the director? And he's like he's like for him. It's really just like does it have the space, not even the character the dialogue or any of that? But does it have the space to create to really explore something and create something out of the situation that allows for some ES something strange in special to occur as opposed to just like, you know, these guys say really cool things then this happens, and then this happens and this happens. Those are all really exciting things, you know, so, and that's that's really coming from a performer as opposed to on a train monkey that just wants to go out there and just do the lines. But also, whereas director clearly has to have a bit more of a sense of I think of the whole scoop of thing in the whole tone, and it's difficult for me because I kind of. Came from a place originally, I thought it was going to be. You know, so possible that I was interested in directing. And so I do tend to kinda see things in been the bigger picture, and it it takes some unlearn ING to be able to be like on the what's happening. I'm just here, and you know fryer. Well, you're also putting your hands your fate in the hands like if you'll get the filmmakers in particular the last five or six years have been able to work with. It's like if you're gonna if there is some space in the margins trust, the filmmakers, your with to help fill those for sure Jason scrip was this one for frontier it no brainer to a certain extent. Because there was interesting things, but also very challenging because there is not a ton of dialogue or or or back story that you get to see about these guys. So there was a there was an element of of how do you show these people? How do you not make them anonymous that didn't necessarily just jump out of the page? And so a lot of that is trusting J C and particularly trusting him in edit, and I think that's where he's just he really shines a lot which is like you can. Feel you can trust that you can try bunch of stuff and things can might not go great when you're shooting production. The other was definitely a lot of wrestling with ideas, and and things, but in the edit he sticks with it. And he stays at it. And he he's relentless I have you noticed that you probably were on the even like this is part of the shared JC Chandler cinematic universe that they're references to the oil company from violent year. I know that was that was kind of where the standard hat, and then he started thinking, maybe it's too much but Pedro can work. Okay. So going back since the luxury of this kind of conversations we can go back a little bit. So. Born Guatemala, raise the Miami. I'm curious like your dad. Dr sister believes scientists right? So like who in the family or friends or family was the biggest influence on you in terms of the arts growing up who enter my grandmother. My mom's mom was a singer in Guatemala, and she had records and everything, but she gave all that up to have kids in to do what she was expected to do at that time in that place. My mom would tell horror stories of Hearn her sisters like just like finding her records just destroying the Mike playing with breaking them and scratchy, and she just was like, it's fine. So I'm just like oh my God. How could we not have that? But really, it's my father. My father was a musician as well. He was what was playing guitar. He was in bands. He would record music and write musical the time. He was a stereo file. And so as constant new component stereo pieces coming into suddenly be like what the hell is that? That's a speaker, really. Because you're always remember even for that. He was really into that for a long time. I'm afraid to say that I have inherited this quality. That's what I did was my first few paychecks. Keep. What are the cables? Latest cable. Run this over here around. So. And then he also would make movies with his brothers. He had like a super eight and he was like movies with his brothers. And then we got a video camera. And so we would make movies together. And then I started taking my dad's video camera making moves with my friends. And so that really was it and both my mother and father never once or like, you need to do this or you should pay more attention to that. They just like. Encouragements and freedom. Yeah. So you like like me a child of the eighties bigger influence Pacino or van Damme. Growing up equal it, really. Yeah. Van dam. I gotta say I love I've got. Yeah. I been one of his. I remember. Yeah. Let's peak van Damme for you. I remember I remember really getting close and trying often to do the straddle. With like a poll, it was kind of like a pull dance, really. But I really was intent on for those that can't see Oscar right now, he's actually doing the splits. Well. Can get get help you. Okay. He's. That's. Something came out. What are we peak men down? Double in blood, bore blood sport cyborgs, always gonna really it always is going to have a special place, but say blood for blood bloodsport cyborg kickboxer, those kind of those three were do late not late by that ear standards time cop time cups, an actual decent movie. Yeah. As director Peter Himes is actually decent feeling. I know I started. It's sorted sorted. I think at that point in Israel's came out, and I kind of came more more of that kind of guy Sam. Sam I know I know. Something. And still pure luck while Winstons or. So so when do you do the filmmaking tastes kind of mature? When do you kind of go to the dog afternoons Mets? Matt's dog. We'll see my dad would always bring like I remember it was so exciting because every Friday night he'd come home with a new Brown case from the video store, and we had a Betamax, and that's Crotty kid never ending story. And then, you know, like deer hunter may Rick. Yeah. So that kind of that kind of sorted. I'd say like eleven twelve okay. You know? Yeah. Dad sweet spot of seeing the movie that you're just a couple years too young actually see that will impact last scar. You and the I I think the first one that really was like, oh my God. Legend was the one that kind of made me really get excited about acting because I realize that the same actor that was the devil was also the Butler include that realization was like it was staggering blew my little kid mind later, you wore the exact same prosthetics and x men apocalypse. The exact same. Yeah. I know. I know I know that was a while. I started reading about how he'd have to be in this bath of like, whatever it was to get all the glue off it sound awful. From what I gather. Was brutal. Similarly. But anyway, so yeah. And then and then it was the mission. I think the mission became like my first real serious boring favorite movie, but great music Nelson task anymore. Tune is that. Soundtracks incredible. And it's still one of my favorite movies. Yeah. Okay. So jumping ahead and then and then dog afternoon, which took that was I'd say like I was that was a little older I was like seventeen God. And that hit me, and it just it has stayed as the perfect. It's just perfect in every way. Yeah. It's it's on that shortlist. Okay. So jumping ahead. So you. You're acting in high school before you get the Juilliard have to do a little bit Juilliard. It's not something that just happens where I was acting was acting like fifth grade sixth grade, seventh grade doing school plays, and then high school acting when when I was a freshman, but then had a falling out with a drama teacher. And what's what's the big disagreements when you're it was like, I was gonna SAFA Cole. I was going to be I was going to play. And then and then. Then I decided not to do it. And for a number of reasons, and then I think she just got pissed off and thought like who you can't just like pass after us people, depend on you about blah. And you know, I was a little bit of the punk kid, and whatever so I didn't wanna do it. And then I kind of stopped going additions it's up getting cast. And and then that's when I went into more bands. And I was getting into music, but me, and my buddy Jay who is now has been my assistant forever. He comes to all the movies with me and him. Made tons of movies, and we used to used to be like the video announcements. I don't know if you had that to announce was. Yeah. And like, yeah. Keep me in the basement the entire time. And we would make we would do the. The commercials or like the coming attractions for the school play. Nice. And oftentimes they had nothing to do with the play. They were like weirdly violent. And oftentimes there were like we're not playing on the notes. You've got someone being beaten in a closet. I don't know what you're going for. Congratulations on explain whatever, it is exporting not for the rest of the school. Yeah. So tons of movies and started additioning in Miami as well for like, actual pro stuff. Is that is that when you got the coveted role of detective -partment? Yeah. That was shortly before Juilliard before even that I had had a featured extra part in the crew Kurt Reynolds, Richard Dreyfuss. This is slip by. Monetize more sell mice. Okay. Loggia? No, I can't get you just glossing right by detective interesting and going to throw I was on fart, man. That's. We're. Scrub the internet because I cannot find any video from that film. Lenny the wonder dog when he the one dog nothing. Yeah. No. I I remember I was in college in my roommate brought it home. Which to my heart was damn good. If well I mean the secret weapon. Okay. So Juilliard I talked to many actors about Juilliard infamously a tough road for many people. They kind of break you down. It's kind of just part of how it is. So who's your crew Chastain was part of the was she was. In her third year when I was in my first year when I first came in she obviously like had the goods, people course, of course, I mean apart from being staggeringly, you know, just like luminescent. Yes, she was incredible everybody. Everybody knew it. Maquis maquis graduated already. I mean, it's you could still hear screams. For sure for sure. But in my class, there's great great people routine. A- Wesley, and yeah, yeah. Jessica Collins, and no I mean, there is there's. It was it was really intense but beautiful for me. I really really loved it. And I think because I got there. I was a little older a lot of the the the psychological games. Those kind of things they were able to roll off my back kind of easily you've already been beaten down a little bit by exactly. Yeah. Only stripped away all of that. It is. Idealism? So I I was able to kinda take that stuff with a grain of salt, succumbing out of Juilliard. I knew I mean, it seems like it did a bunch of plays. I one really early review. This is two gentlemen of Verona from variety. Do you? Remember this? I remember all this. Yeah. I remember I was like I'm not reading to my family. I don't wanna hear their views. I know one the reviews in my uncle remember called me the next morning. Like, hey, I know you're not reading reviews. I just wanna say I looked up the word impish, and it's not that bad. This one doesn't cite impish. It's it's got a little bit of everything before the last one was I was walking out walking after one of the shows one of the ushers came up. And he's like, hey, we watch all of us all working relive what you're doing so good. And we all kind of sit down and watch it every night. Oh, well, thank you. Yeah. Mean don't listen to the voice? On care what everybody's saying. We. Yeah. Variety said recent Juilliard, grad Isaac, a suitably slides the opportunistic and morally protean protease, but as vocals could be stronger, and he plays the double crossing cat touch too. Touch to say, wow. That would not fly in the current climate. Just fair enough. Give me more fan. Okay. So we don't have time to talk about everything. But in the years before goon Davis, you're working with amazing filmmakers, I mean, you work with Ridley Scott a couple of times to being of legend, Catherine Hardwick, Ridley gave me my first big big shot. So yeah, I was going to say which of those films felt like oh shit. Like, this is a big transition wise robinhood, which one talking no body lies came first. But no, it was it was Robin Hood because because of the role King, John because it wasn't you know, the six six ethnic guy in the casino. It was like just the amount of trust that he had to me someone that was I was an English. Yeah. Yeah. And and yeah that we did body lies in from that. He could see me as king. John was just like, I couldn't believe it. It was so incredible. And really have so much so much affection for him. Yeah. What's your one of the few actors had the privilege of directed by Madonna? Yes. Who sent like filmmaker? She was she was on it, man. She was incredible. I remember I remember there was this one scene. We were doing at Sotheby's the auction house, and she lined up all the extras. I mean, they were like seventy eighty people, and she would just go down the line every with every single one. It'd be like no yes this one, but we need to change this part of their costume this. You know, it was incredibly amount of detail. Also, people we're not gonna see all those people. It's like aren't there? Other things that we. It was just like her attention to detail was astounding and have the energy to do that. She was so energetic, and and really fun than I felt like I don't know. I was really rooting for the whole time because it's just just by the nature of who. She is. There was already so much shit Taft to get through, you know, it's like anybody else that was directing the same movie and made exact same choices would obviously would be looked at so differently. Yeah. So so in that period of time, again, you're working with some really talented filmmakers, obviously, you're more than jogging actor like things are going really well before Lou Davis was there like a moment work felt like it was about to shift in a big way. Or or was losing the first kind of real opportunity in that in that way. To raise your profile Lewin was the first one no there wasn't. I mean, if there was I wasn't aware of it. Or couldn't feel it at all. I mean, I was I remember auditioning for and then just screaming to the heavens. Give me this, please. Please give me this one. Yeah. I mean, I I tried so hard. I did ever possibly could in the. Luckily, luckily that worked out, but yeah, that that changed everything it's an amazing film. It's like their pound for pound, my favorite filmmakers, virtually working today in the last thirty years, and that's what they're better one. So that's pretty good. But one thing I love is also flew into the radar to a certain extent. And frankly for me to even like, I feel like I like many of their films I've appreciated in more than more times. But what I love about them to is like some of the best films like they can and more than willing to cast someone that is kind of a relative unknown like serious man, another one of my favorite MRs to Blake Nelson films like they can get away with that. Because it's it's sold as a cone brothers movie, and they'd do it on a budget, and it just all works. Exactly. And part of the reason why I think the stories can work so incredible. I mean, Josh Brolin had done a lot of stuff. But really that was like so massive, you know, and and I think that's what's also so beautiful about them. They're real folk artists. Yeah. American folk artist. What's the biggest difference? Now having worked on many different kind of film sets from Cohn brother set versus others. I think just how chill it is. It was so, and I think even for them it had a particular chill to it. You know, we were just. There was a gentleness too. The way everything was happening. There was a cohesiveness. There was fun. There was. It was about. Inbetween takes we were just talking about all sorts of different things. It was like a crash course in aesthetics like Joe would just talk to me about sculptors to go. Check out in this thing to not in a highbrow way. Just like as a bud. You know, as a friend just saying, I think you might find this interesting, you know, so that for me was just a really really incredible and shooting in New York and shooting in those. Incredibly curated environments production designed it I don't know. There was and there was just no bullshit. They wouldn't remember it was difficult at first. But there's never there wasn't like lots of compliments. You know? There wasn't lots of like how was that? That was good. Let's try another that usually goes like like pump each other. There was none. There was none of that. And you'd think for me, it's my I it was really it was my first lead role, and it'd be like so more or less how I could already tell from the geckos that's going to be a waste of time. So it felt like we were everybody was just kind of like throwing in their stuff, and we were all trying to build this thing together. And and that was it, and it wasn't really time to like worry about our feelings and confidence building and all those. Yeah. And it's funny. How quickly then you regress, not might environment. Okay. So in post loon Davis, again, a bunch of great opportunities come around without garland a few times and another another guy that feeling very similar as well. Yeah. Again, I've been treated him a few times. Also, I would say no BS with him. And just. The star was opportunity comes up. At what point in that process? Did it shift from the Janet Lee psycho thing, we're like we think we've got our hero Kodama. And then we're gonna kill them off halfway through to. We're going to keep you around. Like was there a script that you read where like you? You bought it? I'd I I read pose scenes on JJ's iphone in a cafe in Paris at like midnight. Just like pure mission impossible. The absolute truth to. For the meeting. They kind of told me the story. And then told me that he dies attacker -ly, not even not even halfway through. It's like the very kind of sets up the whole movie. And and then I was like, okay. And they could see that. I was a little bit disappointed by that. And then find out well, then he didn't come back. And so, and then you know, you wanna meet up a little later. And that's when we met up in this cafe and just like sitting across from him just reading on his iphone, so surreal. And then I was like, okay. Well, I'm going to think about it. And he's like when people are gonna write novels about this character. I'm trust me. It's going to people going to, you know, true have get books. But this was even back then before he was going to be a streaming service. Diana spinoff series. It's true forecast. It all and and then I remember I went back home, and I was going to make of course, I'm gonna do this. It doesn't matter. And so I called them to be like, I wanna do this. And he said, okay. Also, he's going to live through the whole thing. We've changed it. It's it's going to be awesome. Like, oh my God. That's incredible. Is stay stay tuned. And then it would then I got hey, do you have any pictures of you looking young and heroic? Yeah. Good vines up. Then again, that's what I'm talking about. Perfect. And it's like all right cool. So you're gonna have to come out an audition. Cares now. Now, I live now, they're like, okay. So now, there's someone that we're gonna have to deal with for refu movies. So now, we have to make sure that it's not and and then I've ever been Hon. And my buddy Jay he's like, hey, if you want the job sometimes you gotta fill out the application. Your own bow ski, and you're. Right. So I flew out there. I met met John is the first person met in like he came back in the dressing room. And he and I went over the over the scene together like back to back doing it. And immediately just kind of fell in love with each other. And then went out there did the audition stood next. John stood next daisy and JJ literally came over. And it was like, I don't know why we did this is, of course, you've got this you part, and then like within a couple of hours, I found that had the part. So yeah, it was. Yeah. It was funny. Just shows you how it, you know. What did you make talked to a bunch of people, including your buddy, Donald has been here. A few times about I love last. I truly did. I'm such a big vendor of that one. And I know for whatever reason there's been a lot of debate about the humor and other things, but with respect to your character. There's like the think pieces of like Paul represents toxic masculinity and man's planning. And that's dead. I did that surprise you. And what do you what what's your take on that point? It doesn't surprise me. Just knowing the culture that we live in the platform for everyone showing their butt holes. I mean their opinions. But you know, it is. Yeah. It's that kind of thing. We're where it's what you want. I think you want the conversation to go on and on and on and on and in a way, if everybody agrees on everything then there's not much of a conversation. I don't think. And so I think that for me like that you can extrapolate very important things about their happening now in our culture that should be talked about from maybe your disgust at something in a movie, or you're you're wanting to defend the film. I think that's the idea. Yeah. So I had no problem with that. You got the script for episode nine which you've now wrapped do you? Go straight to the pope parts, the are thumbing through it like, what's my part in this or you re through the whole thing. First time through I read the whole thing because also need to know the context of how when's getting shown what's the build up? When is that kind of thing? And then I count all the lines. Record eighty two. No. So I was I was I was very psyched when I read it. Yeah. I mean as you've talked about this before I mean, you're obviously you grew up Star Wars fan. This is meaningful franchise for you. This is one of the things like the end of game of thrones end of all these things sopranos where it's like cabinet possibly live up to our expectation of the end of nine part saga. Yeah. It did for you the experience of reading it the experience of reading it definitely did. And and the experience of doing the it's amazing. How dapple we are. Because any any the most crazy scenarios and situations can feel routine after a while? So even like. Again, you know, here I go got a squeeze myself into this freaking falcon falcon chair. It's like, why do they clearly do not make it for ethnic, hips, not Nommik and. There. Did not have a, but because this is not working for me. So it's like everything just to kind of everything starts feel like old hat, and the fact that towards the end of shooting when we were saying goodbye very emotional for me. You know, it was such a huge chapter of my life. Even just six years, or whatever it was just was it was a lot and the intensity of it. And the I mean, it's. I mean, it's the biggest films ever, you know, like being being in the mix of that. In the midst of all that was a lot. And so it was and to have JJ comeback and the energy of of the set and the energy of the whole thing was so distinct from the other ones in great great way. I know I'm not going to try and take for anything like real. But I do know what they showed some footage to getting shareholders, something my sense is that we actually get to see you daisy interaction. I mean, we obviously had a snippet of it in the last one Zaki, but freshman interesting you're getting to interact finally with. Yeah. I think we were we were a part in the obviously the first one we never really meet against the very end. And then in the in the second one, we were all in our own adventures, and this one it's great because because we get to go to have some stuff together. Amazing. Another thing you can't really talk about. 'cause you haven't even shot yet. But let's return to for a second just because I'm massively interested in this both on the dune level and the Villaneuva level. Who's obviously like as talented as we've got right now. I don't know. What can you say about this one in terms of working this cast? I love Shalah may Murga sin, but Teesta Brolin. Yeah. Have you ever them? So that's pretty good. So what's what's going to separate? You think from the winch interpretation? What would you when I talked to the he said said, it's surprisingly grounded. Yeah. It's theirs. It's not. It's a dangerous word simple. But it's not that. It's simple. It's just been. It's been it's focused. There's a real focus to the thing because it can spiral into. I mean, there is much that I wanna see Joe rescue. One day. But, but yeah, because it just it's inspired so many things you read the book, and you're like, Wow, I've seen a lot of this stuff, and you realize because everything pilfered from this incredible incredible novel series of novels, so so yeah, I mean, obviously, I don't wanna get into specifics about what happens because I think it's going to be very exciting for people to see not really, no. Approach. Wow. That's a big small. We the saga of Oscars coffee has come to an end. We got you some caffeine. That's not a flat weather. He's about to face. I really have the urge to dunk the Mike into the coffee. We don't. Homestretch anyway. Watching a man unravel. Yes. To really fun, and I'm really excited. Howdy. It's new this whole flat white thing. It's like the English is new for you or the new in the United States, right? Like, even the fact that they're like what size flat white. You have your like idiots. What size you spent a lot of time in England clearly. A lot of time. But brooklyn. Of. Yes. I don't know. Actually, I don't wanna say much of anything. I just wanna say that. It's like, it's got Denny's aesthetics, his sensibility. It's the visuals just from like the books that I've seen are astounding so beautiful and the story I think is one that takes takes so much of the novel focuses it into something that just incredibly impact, right? Not put words in your mouth. But from what my conversation would and others is it sounds like it's it's not the whole book. It's like half the book or something. Yeah. I mean, I think the idea is that that that it'll it'll hopefully spun more entertainment. Content twenty twenty. I couldn't be more excited permanently scarred by the x men apocalypse experience ever do another comic movie. You know, it makes it seem. I was talking about that specific specific element of it. But a bit good aspects. But it was to make. Was incredibly challenging and way way more than I had anticipated. Not listen. I saw I saw the drawings of the thing. It looked great. And I met the guys in the guys are incredible that the makeup Brian Alexi. I was with them every day. And and that was you know. A really interesting collaboration with these guys because it was so much of it was just us all the time. And they were like my pit crew. And but then like working with those guys and me loving the character of apocalypse, and and for better or worse trying to imbue it with what I thought was fascinating. When I would read the comic books about apocalypse because growing up evangelical zealotry, and and my sister, and I were just talking today about like we had there was like charts in our house of like end of times. Like, this is when the beast will come this is when this will happen. Yeah. As she went into climate change. And she's like I went to science because it was rooted in reality. And now it's the end of the world that I'm dealing. So the end of times was like definitely imprinted on us. So for me, I was very interested in in what apocalypse represents, you know? Making it more than just like at the time. It was a cool scary name. But actually, connecting it to you know, it's the revelation apocalypse doesn't mean destruction actually means like the pulling back the curtain to reveal things, and so the revealing of stuff and him getting his horsemen, and the, you know, the plagues, and that you know, I was really interested in those elements and seeing if there was a way to kind of imbue imbue the character and the tone with a bit of the feeling that I get when I think about revelations. So so that's those parts were exciting. Yeah. But the practical effects aspect was just way more than I could have -ticipant it. And I think we probably could have gotten a lot of mileage if we went for the old ones and zeroes. How much do you resent that your old buddy chest doing an excellent movie and apparently just through on the wig? I know. He learned he learned the way I died for our sins. Speaking comic movies people have mentioned fan. Cassidy was Batman. What do you think? That was cool to see. Yeah. Not a bad. Yeah. Dr to be societas with Matt Reeves, a pretty amazing talented director haven't gotten a call at not as much as the fans tried. Okay. No. No. That being said you are trying to manifest secret until the universe apparently video game movies. Metal gear solid is that something is one of those things where you say something like an interview and now like you've heard from people. Yeah. I don't even know what military is I was just talking. That's not true. I have no idea. What these people? I just say the actual character J told me Jay mentioned it right before. And I just said it too good and actor. I don't know. Names. I'm a grown, man. Okay. Definitely don't believe you. I really like. I've played I played the last one so much so much was phantom thread, right? You'll be on me. Now, I'm not saying something anyway. No, I do a game. And yeah, I mean, look, it's an insane story the stories crazy. I don't know much of anything it actually gives me a similar feeling of reading the book of revelation. It is it's like, so it's so wild and like. Could you does the myth around the whole thing is just it's I mean, it's Lynch, Ian, it is I could see it as a David Lynch. Ian type weird action bizarro thing. Obviously like how you condense all of that wild imagery with this kind of special ops thing and into a screenplay of two hours. I don't know. I don't know that that would be a her herculean, but you know. You know, I think the right guy is at the helm. I've heard him talk about video games. Yeah. Jordan seems really. The right guy to to try to do to do that. I really liked cong-. Like what he did with that. And. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I'm definitely I'll be curious to see if it can it can it can make the withstand the transfer. Right. Right. Right. So or inspire at least inspire something that gives you the feeling of what it feels like the play the game. Gotcha. The isolation of to certain extent in the just the weird creepy -ness of it you so you had a little time off which is a nice luxury. You're gonna start to hear you're gonna be a celebration celebration. Maybe maybe intially in theory in theory. Also, you there and you got doing coming up. I mean, are you going to start are you interested in producing more that for finale ham, actually? Yeah. Yeah. On the brink of of starting my company, and definitely got a lot of things a lot of ideas that are. Percolating and through the years of made some good friendships with people, and it's just nice to be able to talk with other people about making stuff, and it's not always about waiting. And hoping that that perfect thing lands in your lap going to stick it out here in New York. I hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're here. We just moved down born hill lovely. So did you ever never moved? You never had to. No, no. I was there. Like, two months. I think it was when I finished school out there for for pirate season and hybrid pilot. I still have from Betty gilpin, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Pirates. Talked about too. Yeah. Amazing amazing. And we haven't even talked much about what you're going to second. But like the music side of things, which is obviously a huge part of your life to you were just seeking some some Lewin. Davis songs the other night. And I love that. That's still part of representing the American songbook. They invited me to come over to Lincoln center. It was a Time Warner building actually and incredible space and hour and a half set. It was mostly originals. And then I did a few loon Davis and a couple of other ones. I love it. Yeah. It was amazing. Is there a conscious effort to keep those things separate at this point? Or are you open to kind of exploring in film again, like a movie musical or that kind of thing. Or does it feel right to kind of keep them separate in a way as pursuits intentionally keeping it separate. I mean, obviously making my own music and performing it. That's just the different thing than doing it in a movie. That's it has to be about the story. And that thing actually just like writing playing my songs and working on that. And getting a band together and performance for people is very different thing. Anyway. But my open definitely open to to seeing people seem to be into that. Yeah. We're really opening up the career today. More musical opportunities. Become Batman, you're selling snake? There's so much going on. Thanks to me. Your welcome. And I can't wait for this snake musical. Fucking. Dammit. Oscar, you're always welcome here. Now that I know that you're spending time here next step is part of the pollution of the Torah experience. We have to do something comedic soon. Your buddies have all done it Donald done at chess stains done means subcommittee. My after our series and comedy central. You're so ignorant. I make brilliant comedy Oscar, and you are going to be a part of it. Great. Fuck suddenly turned into a really bad actor. Sleeping. But. And so ends another addition of happy side confused remember to review right than subscribed. The show on jeans or wherever you get your pro costs on a big Pook. I'm David Lee. And I definitely both impressed by Joe.
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