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American Scandal
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on American Scandal
"Crazy. Did you see it? No. No, I didn't catch it. As McVeigh begins giving a long winded recap. LeBron reaches into his pocket and switches off the recorder. There's no point taping anything else now. Wants McVeigh begins talking about Star Trek. There's no stopping him. But LeBron might try this again, and maybe he'll be successful next time, or maybe it's all just a big misunderstanding. Maybe LeBron has the wrong idea about Timothy McVeigh. It's March 1993. Timothy McVeigh pulls off the highway outside Waco, Texas. His hair is greasy and his eyes are red and dry. McVeigh has been on the road for over 15 hours straight, and he's starting to feel a pinch of exhaustion. But despite the long day behind the wheel, McVeigh is wide awake. All along the road are groups of protesters holding signs, pushing back against the federal government and supporting the right to bear arms. These are McVeigh's kind of people. Kindred spirits in a battle to save the soul of America, and the presence of anti government protesters is also a sign that McVeigh is getting closer to his destination. The sight of one of the most tense standoffs in American history. It all started about a month ago when federal agents attempted to raid a compound here in central Texas. The property is owned by a some religious sect called the Branch Davidians, but the federal government claimed the group and its leader David koresh had amassed a cache of illegal weapons, and when the federal agents made their move, the Branch Davidians fought back. The two sides exchanged fire and four federal agents were killed. 6 members of the religious group died also. But the conflict didn't end with a shootout. The federal bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms surrounded the compound and has held the position for weeks, but the Branch Davidians are refusing to surrender. The story is made national headlines, and Timothy McVeigh has been following the developments obsessively. The way he sees it, this standoff and Waco is yet another example of the government attacking its own people. Trying to prevent citizens from exercising their rights. And while mcvay knows he can't personally stop the ATF. He wanted to come down to Waco to bear witness. Make sure the feds knew that the people were watching. So McVeigh keeps driving eager after a long day to get to the Branch Davidians compound. But within a few miles of his destination, he arrives at a checkpoint. There's an olive green tent and a truck parked to the side, kind of military equipment used by the army. McVeigh pulls over and 6 federal agents immediately surround his car, demanding to know where mcvay is going. Very tenses up. He hasn't felt like this since he was deployed in Iraq. A fear of being ambushed by the enemy. But keeping his voice steady, McVeigh says he's going to the branch davidian compound. One of the agents shoots him a look and asks if McVeigh is with the press, Mikhail shakes his head and says, no, he's just a regular guy. Federal agent then tells McVeigh, then he's not allowed any further. He's going to have to turn around. McVeigh protests, saying this is a public road, but the agent doesn't budge. McVeigh is going to have to drive away. McVeigh then looks again at all the military equipment, deployed at the side of a quiet American road. And he feels himself drawing consumed with rage. The federal government is treating public space like a war zone, responding to American citizens like enemy combatants. They would love to fight back against these tyrants, but he's outnumbered and outgunned. So with a heavy heart McVeigh turns around, drives away. And soon the checkpoint recedes into the distance and McVeigh gets back on the open road. But he can't shake the feeling that he was back in a war zone. Under siege, it's frightening. This is Texas, not some country in the Middle East. But in the VA doesn't know what to do. It appears that the United States government is becoming increasingly oppressive, stripping citizens of their legal rights and killing people when they stand up for themselves. And if that's the case, if America really is slipping into tyranny, and McVeigh may only have one option. He needs to find a place of his own. Somewhere where no one will find him. Somewhere far from the long arm of the federal government.
Game of Crimes
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Game of Crimes
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Game of Crimes
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"So when he went to his pocket, it tightened his jacket up somewhat and I could see a bulge under his left arm and I thought the weapon and I thought that was a weapon under his arm. Question, what did you do at that point? I looked at the driver's license, looked at him, then I instructed him to take both hands unzip his jacket and to very slowly move his jacket back. He did that and then as he was slowly started pulling it back just as he started doing it and he said, I have a gun. When mister McVeigh said that he told you how to gun, what did you do? I grabbed for the bulge and I said, put your hands up and turn around. Did he comply? Yes, what happened then? I removed my pistol from my holster and I stuck it to the back of his head. And this is one of the most iconic lines out of the trial. He said, what happened then he said, I instructed him to walk through the trunk. What was your gun at that point? It was stuck in the back of his head. Okay, did mister McVeigh say anything to you as he walked to the back of the automobile? Yes. What did he say? He said, my weapon is loaded. What was your response? I said, so is mine? Yeah, 'cause if it ain't loaded, it's a paperweight. It's not a weapon. And what's a mortgage pet peeves that these movies, right? Because when they go to rack around into it, you always always carry it loaded, right? Yeah, and in the movies, it's even the good guys or the bad guys, both of them do that. Nobody carries around in the chamber. Yeah. Ridiculous. Like you say, it's no good at that point. It's just a bludgeon. You know, it's a blunt instrument. So we also had a found out he had a knife and a spare clip on him. And but you'll appreciate this. He had some regular like ball ammunition, you know, full metal jacket, just stuff for shooting. But he had a 45, the rounds that were loaded in his weapon were 45 black talons. Well, wow. So he had a Glock, is that right? Yeah, he had a Glock. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so you, mister farms, instructor, why are black talons a little bit wow factor from you? Yeah, those are commonly referred to as cop killer bullets. They will go through body armor. Those are designed to kill people. That's all they're for. Yeah, so he didn't know that till he unloaded it later, but he said, but you notice anything about this bullet when you removed it from the chamber. Yes, it was a black towel and round 45 caliber. What's a black talon? Obviously mushrooms produces tentacles is what he said. But yeah, it's definitely and it's got those things are designed like I said in the old days too, they could penetrate some of the older body armor because they weren't as good as it is today. I think they're Teflon coated if I remember right. Some of those might have been Teflon coated and that's the other thing too, Teflon is designed to slice right through that Kevlar, but anyway, so what happened was he gets him arrested, he's got his driver's license with his real name on there. This is going to become important. It's got his real name and date of birth on there. Now, here's the part people don't get, and this is why this was so important. And this is why one of the things when I was working on at the Department of Justice on the case I wanted to change this because as an investigator, I knew what the value of this information would be..
Game of Crimes
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"On April 25th. I mean, April 19th, 1995. It was the Oklahoma City bombing. And so what happened was, Charlie hanger was working out of area called noble county. And once this happens, he got dispatched that, hey, look, you need to head to Oklahoma City. And of course he starts doing that, then he started heading that way and they said, no, you need to remain in your patrol area. Go back to regular traffic enforcement and do that stuff. So a little bit of background on Charlie hanger. Charlie was kind of like me. Some people would say that kind of by the book said you'd write your own mother a ticket. And I said, negative, I would never write my own mother a ticket, however, I would hold her call another trooper and have that trooper issue the ticket. So people would say, your heartless, no? But Charlie Charlie was by the book, in fact, a funny story about Charlie hanger is that he was called to he was testifying in a jury trial one time. And the 12 people who were finally seated, they said, you know, any of you guys got a ticket before ten of the 12 people on the jury had all been ticketed by trooper hanger. By the same person? And he's Oklahoma trooper. He's Oklahoma true for yeah. So on just on a regular jury trial, you know, not the Oklahoma City one, but on a regular jury trial. Yeah. Ten to the 12 people ended up both. And they still found the guy guilty. So, you know, I'm surprised the prosecutor didn't strike them all. Yeah, well, that's what you thought, but may have been that he wrote everybody tickets. So this was the ten that there was only two left that hadn't been written tickets. So he's waiting on them when a guy on the courtroom. Yeah. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to walk you through. I actually have the actual trial transcripts from the federal trial. And I pulled some interesting things out of that because there's a lot of things that have to happen. For them to finally get back to Timothy McVeigh before he's released out of jail. But basically, like we said, it starts the explosion happens. Nobody knows what's going on at that time. Of course, you know, first thing we think we think of foreign terrorists, some kind of foreign group maybe. That's responsible for this, but they don't know because it's just chaos. And we actually have an episode coming up with the FBI agent who worked the pizza bomber case. And it was the same thing he said. It's just all chaos. Just chaos. As you start managing it, you finally get into an investigative rhythm, but it's just chaos at the beginning. And obviously, this one's huge because a 168 people were killed, 19 of them, children. So this is a huge case. And the FBI named for the case was oak bomb okay, bond the oak bomb. So anyway, Charlie's.
Game of Crimes
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Camaro super sport silver blacktop T tops. Original real super sport had the what's called the LS one engine in there. I had the SLP upgrades. Had the three and a half inch, what's called cat back exhaust, so bigger exhaust from the catalytic converter cap back. Better than the two inch exhaust that was on there. Make it sound like awesome. And I put just new tires and rims. We've kept this in the garage. For 17 years. I mean, we take it out, it's got less than 4000 miles a year on it. Yeah, we would just take it as Turing and but bought the new Telluride and we got a 2021 key to Telluride this last May. It's coming up on a year now. Wow. And but it was one of those things. You know, we had more cars than garage spaces and my wife needs to park her vehicle in the drive we've got to get out of the street. I had to sell it. But I'll tell you what, I put it on Facebook. I dealt with some idiots. I'm sorry folks, if you're out there, I've put it clearly and there have said, first of all, prices firm, and then second of all, is no trades. Because people say, hey, I'll trade you this for that, dude. I'm not an interested in trading. I'm interested in getting rid of cars, not keeping the same number of cars. So but hey, tell you what. You perseverance and stuff. So after two weeks of being on there and all sorts of weird ass matches, which had a guy from Miami going, I'll fly up, just tell me when I'm going to come in. I don't think so. Yeah. I don't know who you are, but we ain't doing that. But I'll tell you what I found. I found a son and a father, and the father is a true enthusiast when we met. He showed me pictures of the Corvette ZO one he had, he showed pictures of previous muscle cars he had. He does pretty well. He's got a construction business. They build schools all over Maryland. And his son, you could tell right away, good kid. And we had some discussions. So it was like they had been looking at camaros. This was the best one they looked at because my paint is basically flawless. The bodies in great shape, no dings. No dents on the side of the door like you get when people open it up 'cause I always parked away from people and plus being in the garage, no leaks. You know, I had the whole Carfax record just pristine and actually I think people park away from you instead of you away from people. It doesn't matter the effect is the same. Stay the hell away from my car. I do the same thing. I tell you where I do. My wife, I'll drop her off like we'll go to Costco. I'll drop her off and then I'll park in the next county. Sometimes I drop her off and sometimes she's like, why are we parking in the north 40 out here?.
The Stuttering John Podcast
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on The Stuttering John Podcast
"Did in the rose garden. Oh, yes. Apparently there are he tried multiple. Yeah. And the early ones apparently they were having a hard time convincing him to say go home. Yeah. Even that part out. Yeah. And the idea is that he wanted, he wanted it to be a go for it video. And they were like, what the fuck? You know, and apparently that's on the video. Now, I will say for the record, there is no fucking way Biden hasn't seen that already. There's no way. Everybody in The White House in the top 5, they see everything. They've got all of it. He makes the ultimate decision about the direction of the DoJ on stuff. You know, he's got the guy who can flip a switch and send a nuke can also make certain strategic decisions about evidence that's coming out of the former administration. And he gets to look at all of it. All of it. All I don't think I can stress that more power. He gets to see anything. Especially when it comes to national security, which is, you know, John, I get very annoyed at clickbait tweets, the raise your hands and this woman was like tweeting out the story like Biden's going to hold back. And I'm like, stop sensationalizing this. And then, and then she gets all angry at me, you know? I've been reading these, you know, Trump's about to be arrested, tweets for so long. Oh, yeah. And they all, you know, the easiest way to get 10,000 likes on a tweet is to say, so and so thinks that Trump is about to be indicted. You know, I mean, that's the easiest click bait on Twitter. Raise your hand if you think it's about time. Yeah. And I'll tell you, I've been hearing about Trump getting indicted since I think 1982 or something like that. You know, I'm kind of, I'm done. When the handcuffs go on, let me know. Yeah, right. And again, I actually think there is more of an impact on this in terms on him. Not going to jail right away and also it has a it has a strategic benefit with his followers. Imagine Trump going to jail before he said take the vaccine with Bill O'Reilly and Candace Owens. And after. Strategically speaking, are the people who will revenge Trump at will events Trump at every turn are those people going to be as quick on the draw now that he's come out and said you got to take the vaccine and you have to have the vaccine. And yeah. John, before you came on, yeah. I mean, I've seen that in monitoring their social media support for him is definitely fading. Yep, no question about it. And that's that's valuable because if you put him in jail on January 7th, you're just going to that's just a bunch of. Yeah, you murder him. And they're going to be at every capital. They're going to be shooting at fucking windows. They'll be 9 Timothy McVeigh's planning the next attack. But you let him get on a fade, come out, interview after interview just being a bloviating asshole..
Democracy Now! Audio
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Not rebels but patriots people who are restoring something about america that they believe a corrupt elite that is now responsive to non white power at the expense of the extant racial caste that his being deeply woven inside not just the american political structure but the american economy. That draw is american politics. How that ultimately never gets treated. This is exactly what timothy mcveigh was about. This is what timothy mcveigh had as his motivations for murdering one hundred sixty americans in oklahoma city including thousand nine children and we looked away from it. We looked away from how deep the rudeness of white supremacist. Violence was in this country. We listened to what i believe. Our principal civil libertarian objections against an expansive category of criminalized association treating people who might have believed as mcrae. Da obviously as as i believe that is but ultimately not committing active islands treating them as essentially indistinct from mclean was absolutely as always should have been To the american political elites but that intolerability did not extend to muslims and there it was easy after nine eleven to construct in apparatus fueled by things like the patriot act that expanded enormous categories of criminal association known as material support for terrorism authorized widespread surveillance. That certainly would not be focused. Simply even on. American muslims is disgusting as it was that it was focused on them primarily but ultimately all of these things that both parties that the leaders of the security services and intellectuals created maintained unjustified so readily against the threat of a foreign minister sina civilizational seen as an acceptable substitute for geopolitical enemy that it served as a rallying for is throughout the twentieth century. The war on terror is kind of his zombie anti-communism in a lot of it's political cast in association and never would any of its be visited upon white people from the start the war on terror. Showed you exactly who it was going to leave out from its car. Cerrell from van wins and from its violent gains so i wanna go to donald trump This week considering twenty twenty. Four challenge to president fighting said in a statement biden surrendered to the taliban. Meanwhile republicans on the house armed services committee demanded a plan from biden to stop afghanistan from becoming a quote safe haven for terror groups after the taliban takeover. This is republican congressman. Michael mccall on cnn. We're going to go back. Jay pre-nine eleven state a breeding ground for terrorism. And you know..
Democracy Now! Audio
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Not rebels but patriots people who are restoring something about america that they believe a corrupt elite that is now responsive to non white power at the expense of the extant racial caste that his being deeply woven inside not just the american political structure but the american economy. That draw is american politics. How that ultimately never gets treated. This is exactly what timothy mcveigh was about. This is what timothy mcveigh had as his motivations for murdering one hundred sixty americans in oklahoma city including nineteen children and we looked away from it. We looked away from how deep the rudeness of white supremacist. Violence was in this country. We listened to what i believe. Our principal civil libertarian objections against an expansive category of criminalized association treating people who might have believed as mcrae. Da obviously as as i believe that is but ultimately not committing active islands treating them as essentially indistinct from mclean was absolutely as always should have been To the american political elites but that intolerability did not extend to muslims and there it was easy after nine eleven to construct in apparatus fueled by things like the patriot act expanded enormous categories of criminal association known as material support for terrorism authorized widespread surveillance. That certainly would not be focused simply on american. Muslims is disgusting as it was that it was focused on them primarily but ultimately all of these things that both parties that the leaders of the security services and intellectuals created maintained unjustified so readily against the threat of a foreign minister sina civilizational seen as an acceptable substitute for geopolitical enemy that it served as a rallying for is throughout the twentieth century. The war on terror is kind of his zombie anti-communism in a lot of it's political cast in association and never would any of its be visited upon white people from the start the war on terror. Showed you exactly who it was going to leave out from its car. Cerrell from van wins and from its violent gains so i wanna go to donald trump This week considering twenty twenty. Four challenge to president fighting said in a statement biden surrendered to the taliban. Meanwhile republicans on the house armed services committee demanded a plan from biden to stop afghanistan from becoming a quote safe haven for terror groups after the taliban takeover. This is republican congressman. Michael mccall on cnn. We're going to go back. Jay pre-nine eleven state a breeding ground for terrorism. And you know..
Democracy Now! Audio
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Not rebels but patriots people who are restoring something about america that they believe a corrupt elite that is now responsive to non white power at the expense of the extant racial caste that his being deeply woven inside not just the american political structure but the american economy. That draw is american politics. How that ultimately never gets treated. This is exactly what timothy mcveigh was about. This is what timothy mcveigh had as his motivations for murdering one hundred sixty americans in oklahoma city including nineteen children and we looked away from it. We looked away from how deep the rudeness of white supremacist. Violence was in this country. We listened to what i believe. Our principal civil libertarian objections against an expansive category of criminalized association treating people who might have believed as mcrae. Da obviously as as i believe that is but ultimately not committing active islands treating them as essentially indistinct from mclean was absolutely as always should have been To the american political elites but that intolerability did not extend to muslims and there it was easy after nine eleven to construct in apparatus fueled by things like the patriot act expanded enormous categories of criminal association known as material support for terrorism authorized widespread surveillance. That certainly would not be focused. Simply even on. American muslims is disgusting as it was that it was focused on them primarily but ultimately all of these things that both parties that the leaders of the security services and intellectuals created maintained unjustified so readily against the threat of a foreign minister sina civilizational seen as an acceptable substitute for geopolitical enemy that it served as a rallying for is throughout the twentieth century. The war on terror is kind of his zombie anti-communism in a lot of it's political cast in association and never would any of its be visited upon white people from the start the war on terror. Showed you exactly who it was going to leave out from its car. Cerrell from van wins and from its violent gains so i wanna go to donald trump This week considering twenty twenty. Four challenge to president fighting said in a statement biden surrendered to the taliban. Meanwhile republicans on the house armed services committee demanded a plan from biden to stop afghanistan from becoming a quote safe haven for terror groups after the taliban takeover. This is republican congressman. Michael mccall on cnn. We're going to go back. Jay pre-nine eleven state a breeding ground for terrorism. And you know..
Democracy Now! Audio
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Not rebels but patriots people who are restoring something about america that they believe a corrupt elite that is now responsive to non white power at the expense of the extant racial caste that his being deeply woven inside not just the american political structure but the american economy. That draw is american politics. How that ultimately never gets treated. This is exactly what timothy mcveigh was about. This is what timothy mcveigh had as his motivations for murdering one hundred sixty americans in oklahoma city including nineteen children and we looked away from it. We looked away from how deep the rudeness of white supremacist. Violence was in this country. We listened to what i believe. Our principal civil libertarian objections against an expansive category of criminalized association treating people who might have believed as mcrae. Da obviously as as i believe that is but ultimately not committing active islands treating them as essentially indistinct from mclean was absolutely as always should have been To the american political elites but that intolerability did not extend to muslims and there it was easy after nine eleven to construct in apparatus fueled by things like the patriot act expanded enormous categories of criminal association known as material support for terrorism authorized widespread surveillance. That certainly would not be focused. Simply even on. American muslims is disgusting as it was that it was focused on them primarily but ultimately all of these things that both parties that the leaders of the security services and intellectuals created maintained unjustified so readily against the threat of a foreign minister sina civilizational seen as an acceptable substitute for geopolitical enemy that it served as a rallying for is throughout the twentieth century. The war on terror is kind of his zombie anti-communism in a lot of it's political cast in association and never would any of its be visited upon white people from the start the war on terror. Showed you exactly who it was going to leave out from its car. Cerrell from van wins and from its violent gains so i wanna go to donald trump This week considering twenty twenty. Four challenge to president fighting said in a statement biden surrendered to the taliban. Meanwhile republicans on the house armed services committee demanded a plan from biden to stop afghanistan from becoming a quote safe haven for terror groups after the taliban takeover. This is republican congressman. Michael mccall on cnn. We're going to go back. Jay pre-nine eleven state a breeding ground for terrorism. And you know..
Democracy Now! Audio
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Not rebels but patriots people who are restoring something about america that they believe a corrupt elite that is now responsive to non white power at the expense of the extant racial caste that his being deeply woven inside not just the american political structure but the american economy. That draw is american politics. How that ultimately never gets treated. This is exactly what timothy mcveigh was about. This is what timothy mcveigh had as his motivations for murdering one hundred sixty americans in oklahoma city including nineteen children and we looked away from it. We looked away from how deep the rudeness of white supremacist. Violence was in this country. We listened to what i believe. Our principal civil libertarian objections against an expansive category of criminalized association treating people who might have believed as mcrae. Da obviously as as i believe that is but ultimately not committing active islands treating them as essentially indistinct from mclean was absolutely as always should have been To the american political elites but that intolerability did not extend to muslims and there it was easy after nine eleven to construct in apparatus fueled by things like the patriot act that expanded enormous categories of criminal association known as material support for terrorism authorized widespread surveillance. That certainly would not be focused. Simply even on. American muslims is disgusting as it was that it was focused on them primarily but ultimately all of these things that both parties that the leaders of the security services and intellectuals created maintained unjustified so readily against the threat of a foreign minister sina civilizational seen as an acceptable substitute for geopolitical enemy that it served as a rallying for is throughout the twentieth century. The war on terror is kind of his zombie anti-communism in a lot of it's political cast in association and never would any of its be visited upon white people from the start the war on terror. Showed you exactly who it was going to leave out from its car. Cerrell from van wins and from its violent gains so i wanna go to donald trump This week considering twenty twenty. Four challenge to president fighting said in a statement biden surrendered to the taliban. Meanwhile republicans on the house armed services committee demanded a plan from biden to stop afghanistan from becoming a quote safe haven for terror groups after the taliban takeover. This is republican congressman. Michael mccall on cnn. We're going to go back. Jay pre-nine eleven state a breeding ground for terrorism. And you know..
Bloomberg Businessweek
Garland States Domestic Terrorism Is 'Still With Us'
"26 years ago Today, 168 people were killed at the Alfred P. Murrah Government Building in Oklahoma City in a domestic terrorism act. U. S Attorney General Merrick Garland led the prosecution of Timothy McVeigh, who was convicted in that attack. During a remembrance ceremony today, Garland said domestic terrorism remains a real threat. Although many years have passed. The terror perpetrated by people like Timothy McVeigh is still with us. Darling says the Department of Justice is pouring all its resource is into stopping domestic violent
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Merrick Garland Confirmation Hearing For AG
"But today is all about Merrick Garland. He'll appear before the Senate to take questions from lawmakers for the position of attorney general. Most people know Merrick Garland's name because of something that didn't happen. Garland never got a hearing after President Obama nominated him to serve on the Supreme Court five years ago. Here's NPR justice correspondent Carrie Johnson. Merrick Garland has devoted nearly 45 years to the law. But he didn't start out that way is, he told Professor Martha Minnow at Harvard Law School in 2016. Why don't you go to law school in the first place? Chemistry, well chemistry and math. Garland had planned to become a doctor. He wanted to help people one on one, but his collision with the hard sciences spun him toward the law, where he's looked for that sort of direct connection ever since. In the mid 19 eighties. At his law firm in Washington, Garland became a rising star. He made time for a young college graduate who worked in the copy center to Randy Thompson says Garland reviewed one of his papers, photocopied it and rearrange the paragraphs. That was the beginning of In essence and becoming a riding coach. For me, it was just extraordinary experience and became my coach. Eventually, my mentor and 30 something years later, a friend. Eventually Garland Road, MMA reference for law school and has kept in touch ever since, Thompson says garlands Still a little old school still humble, still looking to help. The only thing that really has changed about him, And I guess me as well is the color of hair. I don't know, well respected judge as attorney general. Help get the department under the quagmire of partisan politics that many people think it devolved to under President Trump and Attorney General Bar That's Georgetown law professor Paul Butler. He says the DOJ has been reeling from political scandals and racing to confront the threat from homegrown extremists. Merrick Garland has faced both before. After clerking on the Supreme Court. Garland took a job as an advisor in President Jimmy Carter's Justice Department. In those years after Watergate, DOJ struggled to separate partisan influence from law enforcement and establish new boundaries for the FBI. Garland also played a bit part in some of the biggest investigations of that era from political corruption to national security that Garland says later turned into hit movies. American Hustle about the Abscam case. Argo about the ex filtration of hostages in Iran and the most important the miracle on ice. Which was about the Lake Placid Olympics, where I did work on the security for the Olympics By the 19 nineties, Garland was prosecuting a violent gang that terrorized people in a public housing project. And helping build a case against DC's mayor Marion Barry. On drug charges Back inside Justice Department headquarters, Garland became the man to see for the hardest problems. The car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown Oklahoma City, Garland would soon travel to the site of the most deadly domestic terror plot in American history. 168 people died in that bombing in Oklahoma. Former deputy Attorney General Jamie Go Relic remembers watching that day with Garland by her side, he basically said while watching Children being pulled out of the wreckage. That he had to go. He really wanted to go. We both had young Children at the time and What we saw on those screens was so affecting. Garland oversaw the search warrants protected the chain of evidence and insisted that reporters have access to court proceedings. We wanted somebody Who could make sure that the investigation was done by the book. And that any indictment was bulletproof. Prosecutors later convicted Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols for their role in that bombing. Former prosecutor Beth Wilkinson says Garland played an important role in other confrontations with extremists in those years, including a standoff with the heavily armed Montana free Men. One of the examples I can think of is sometimes and there were these stand downs where there would be, you know, arrest warrants for someone, or there would be some kind of controversy between people who were challenging the federal government. America's first instinct wasn't to go in and arrest everyone. It was to try and along with the FBI to see if there's a dispute could be resolved. Wilkinson says. The FBI went on to arrest those men later. She credited garlands, quick thinking and cool head that may have prevented a tragic outcome. Just about the only criticism Garland's nomination has drawn is in the area of civil rights. Garland is a moderate, so I don't see him as the bold and visionary leader or racial justice that some people were hoping for again. Georgetown law professor Paul Butler that he's not an ideologue is both discerning for people who want an attorney general. To meet this moment of national reckoning inspired by the movement for Black lives and the killing of George Floyd Butler says he thinks girls just from the White House long time civil rights advocate Wade Henderson says Garland is up to the task. But Henderson says it's a big one. The next attorney general, for example, has to do everything In his or her power to fight for voting rights. Police reform Criminal justice reform and LGBT Q equality. For the past 23 years, Garland has been a federal appeals court judge in that role, he doesn't have much of a chance to share his personal views. Carolyn Lerner, the chief mediator at the courthouse, says Garland took an early, an important lead to update policies that protect workers from sexual harassment and other misconduct. I think it's very clear that Judge Garland cares a lot about these issues, and he really wants employees to be happy and comfortable in the workplace, and when he was chief judge, he took his responsibility. To these employees very seriously, she says. Garland wants to continue another of his projects at the Justice Department tutoring sessions with a young public school student. This year. The judge is working with an 11 year old boy and his twin sister. Your mom is Andrea Tucker. He makes this so interactive for them and so much fun and they can't get enough of it. It's the kind of public service that Garland has always wanted to
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"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on WBSM 1420
"You went into What is this thing? You call an office office? Hey, I have to go. I have to confess What? I took my private jet to get here. But did you offset? It was not your $7 million yards I sew for folks who don't know the Heritage Foundation by intention is right on the foot of Capitol Hill. And that's because you know our jobs to never let us people forget who they work for. But what that means is my office actually overlooks the capital. Am, I could see the Capitol building the Senate office buildings. And the fence with the razor wire and armed guards with machine guns. And I feel like I've just worked back the checkpoint, Charlie and I'm looking at the Berlin wall. It's so you you went into the woods and outside your window. You see, racing? Why don't you see It's the and the other thing is, is what's on the other side of the wire. Nothing. Nobody on this. There's nobody down down. There's nobody on the streets. The purpose for 19 year old kid wearing a uniform, you know, freezing in the winter. It's 30 degrees here, and he's like staring it what's in protecting him from, But it's it's okay. The Daily caller gave us the details. It's only cost $50 million so far. No, no, It's like 405 105 105 $100 million Poor and here's the thing is is Look, I'm not privy to any classified intelligence. But I know what they share with us, and I know it's publicly available, right? And you know, we've had sustained organized violence in cities for months and months and months and months. We've had a data set here of one We've had. What now? Credit? It was a horrible, terrible. Let me ask you Let me ask you because you have a sense of history. How money Right wing riots have we had Right wing in American history. It was, is there another one? I mean, right wing. I don't know my weather. No. I mean, yeah, I mean, well, it depends on what you mean by riots or violence or whatever. So I don't know what the KKK we'll take the take The word right wing off that you're wrong. Take the word right wing on the table because in my in my political universe, if you engage in political violence, you are not entitled to be called part of the American Public Square part of American politics. American politics stops Where you engaged in public and political violence, so the terms left wing and right wing You know, terrorists or Or if that doesn't work for me. You are just wrong. Yeah, I agree. You're right. But But I'm gonna push back because understanding what the people are saying and why they're doing it is crucial because Maoist terrorism is different from jihadi. But we're OK. Right? Right. So Timothy McVeigh's but you know how many how many Timothy McVeigh's if we had in our lifetime. And the answer is very, very few. But that gets to the point about and you understand this because you're a professional. You've taught military history. You understand these things. You look a trend analysis, right? I mean, there's always gonna be a one off and we have to recognize. You know, we can't Childproof America and protect everybody against everything wherever right and the capital. It's been attacked by Puerto Rican terrorists with guns and it's been bond and Yahoo's with so we've had the one off where they're all wrong. Don't get me wrong, but when you're starting to build a security infrastructure You either deal with a specific threat that you know is coming, which, by the way, the the Capitol police and the leadership totally screwed up completely. If they looked at the intelligence and just done the things that you would normally do, they would have We're stalling prevented that incident would have never happened. It's a completely preventable. I'm not condoning it completely preventable incident that should have never happened if they just did the normal job. Not even like a super forget Jack Ryan just to regulate up, it would have worked. But either you have specific evidence that somebody's coming okay, or you would do it's called trend analysis. Once likely. What the threats one of the vulnerabilities What are the risks? And then you plan for that? And as far as I can tell from from the people that Nancy Pelosi everybody else away from that they're going to destroy us and kill us in our sleep. We have a data set of one incident. Yeah, right on. I've meant to say this for the last four days, and you've reminded me And I appreciate that. I'm gonna be the one who does politics Right now. I find it galling. I find it disgraceful. I find it beyond shameful. That we have this politically exploited moment with Officer a sick Nick's ashes being presented being recognized in the capital by politicians who spent the last 11 months berating the police find the police. God bless Brian sick, Nick. On D deserves every honor as a zoo. Lauren force an officer who died, you know, wearing his uniform or shortly thereafter in hospital that we still don't know why, apart from the stroke, but the idea that Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the rest are paying their respects after saying that the police are the bad guys, they're systematically racist that they have to be defunded. You know there's hypocrisy, Jim. And then there's just outright wrong. He's in there. Well, e. I mean, your dad was a car. Look, don't even get me started s Oh, this this ale AOC fake story about right and which he didn't. But in the end, right, she never felt safe until she was escorted by police. They all So this whole defined the police thing is fine until we need them or having the American military are straight, Mrs Lucas fascist. We want them, but you know, to your point. I mean, Is this just political theater is this We need to scare Americans about everybody. That doesn't vote like we did. And this is just part part of that. I don't I don't know. I hope that that's a terrible thing. But isn't it really fought for you? I mean, because you're there. You're next to the wire. I just I can't even countenance. 23 months from now that wire is the lair. That's just wrong. Jared. I don't understand why it's look again. I maybe there's some intelligence I haven't seen or something. But It just It looks silly and you mention looks. There's a really great restaurant. Oh, yeah, There's a funny is the rest were called the Monica Let everybody goes legendary Steak house because it's right. It's right behind the Senate office building between Union Station's sending, actually, I mean, the family owned the building was actually eminent domain. The government took it over. But like the Congress said, no, no, we want a restaurant. So they use at least the restaurant back to these guys, you know, and every everybody goes there for lunch because this is There by the wire. So so no but close.
KQED Radio
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Also a survey by the military Times last year that found about a third of active duty troops. So they had personally witnessed white nationalist activity in the military. Things like drawing swastikas, air getting white supremacist tattoos and I talked to Mark Mark Pitcavage of the Anti Defamation League about this. And he said, you know, so far, the military's efforts to combat extremism in its ranks have largely been haphazard. So an extremist discovered in one unit on one base over here, there may be prompt action taken, the person may be very quickly, administratively processed out. Very similar extremist in another unit on another base somewhere else. Maybe nothing is done. Pitcavage says. There really needs to be systemic training throughout all of the services, so everyone knows how to identify a problem and want to do once they spot it. And the Biden team has said that rooting out extremism is now a top priority for their administration. Tom. This problem has newly become apparent, but But is it a new problem? No. I mean, we've known that some extremism groups, extremist groups like the oath keepers, for example, they have specifically targeted veterans for recruitment over the years. And the concern is that military veterans often do have specialized training, which can make a tax more deadly. You know, some experts point to Timothy McVeigh, who killed 168 people in the Oklahoma City bombing years ago, he was an army veteran. So the stakes can be high. But you know, we should say Among that's you'll also find really strong resistance to extremism to the police officer Brian Sick Nick, who was killed that day at the capital, defending it from the mob. He was also a veteran, and he served in the Air National Guard. NPR investigative correspondent Tom Dreisbach. Thanks a lot. Thanks. Sorry. To Iraq. Now that is where more than 30 people are dead and dozens wounded. After a double suicide bombing today in Baghdad, the bombers struck a crowded market on a busy morning from Baghdad. NPR's Alice Fordham reports. The attack is all the more shocking for Iraqis because lately they had enjoyed relative security. As evening falls after the attack, People gather the site of the bombing in downtown Baghdad.
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"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"That's You know, weird or ironic or crazy? I don't know what it is. But have you seen that or anything like that and have any thought about that? Yeah, I think that is emblematic of what we're going to see in the coming weeks and months, which is simultaneously a collapse in Trump's popular support. We're already seeing it. There was a Pew poll that came out yesterday that showed that support for Trump is down his by so much as a quarter among his supporters on at the same time, you're going to see a hardening and a radicalization of further radicalization. Of the hard core of his support on so as a Twitter bands Trump as his message goes out and increasingly quiet corners of the Internet. You're going to see that group, especially the Cuban non believers whose whole world view has now been shaken by the fact that Trump didn't stay in office. You're going to see some of those people say Forget it. I was rooked. I want out of this. And then you're gonna see others go deeper into that rabbit hole and create new conspiracy theories and further radicalized, so subtle think this happens at the end of every populist period where the leader goes off. And many of his core supporters could have a kind of collective amnesia. Where they you know if if the other side doesn't force them to cry, uncle and say, I made a terrible mistake, which will further deepened the divisions in the country. If that doesn't happen, then people are kind of allowed to go into this amnesia Wherever they just don't want to talk about Trump anymore on don't think we'll see that even as we see his hard core supporters get angrier, and we're frustrated. Yeah, that's an interesting way to put it. It occurred to me that maybe not sure, but maybe there's a parallel with the mid nineties here, where there was a rising militia movement and conspiracy theory movement. In the first term Bill Clinton And then there was the Oklahoma City bombing. Which killed hundreds of people and you know came sort of out of that movement. And I think that after that A lot of people who are more marginally involved in the movement were so horrified by what happened. That the thing kind of receded. I wonder if you see history that way off this thought. Has occurred to you at all. Um, as kind of a parallel to what might happen now. Very much so And in fact, what we're hearing from security officials is that they're really not that concerned or as concerned about another mass attack, and they're organized kind of attack on the Capitol or other targets. Really much more concerned about individual lone wolf actors like a Timothy McVeigh Justus you mentioned on because there are people who have been radicalized and who, because of the nature of the Internet and social media, have been sort of atomized isolated them on that's in further enhanced by the virus and its impact on people's social connections. So, yes, I think we could be in for a time or kind of individual acts like that. But a much larger story on much larger trend will be people kind of saying, you know, I'm done with that. Alter politics thing for a while, and this is what Biden campaigned on the idea that he was going to be a boring president. Well, there's kind of a liberation in that you're strong American tradition of people not caring about politics, and, you know, a lot of academics have always run their hands about this are very low voter participation rates. But it's obviously great when more people vote. But on the other hand, that little participation rate tells you that you have a large part of the society that it doesn't feel the need to care about politics, and that could be a healthy thing. Or it could be at least a sign that people are reasonably okay with where things are. There's a ray in Park Slope. You're on WNBC. Thanks so much for calling in today. That's right. Hi, there. Good morning, So I wanted to address the issue of President Biden being in the middle or drawing people towards the middle. Um, what I said to the screener is that what is the middle or what is considered to be the middle changes according to the contract, So there was a time when Gay marriage was considered to be radical. That is no longer a radical idea or even a, um it's more of a middle ground. Mainstream idea. There was a time when being anti slavery was considered to be a radical ideas, so I feel like On Joe Biden was for gay marriage. And so I feel like the middle needs to be contextualized. Um, not just as you know, like the least. The past the least resistance because I don't think it always it is. I think it changes depending upon the context. Also, I think that it would be super helpful to just leave 45 in the past. I feel like there's no reason to like invoke him every time. President Biden does something that's different from him because he was an aberration in a sense in terms of being a president, Um and so I feel like every time someone like he actually talked to the press the other normal things that the president should do you get what I mean, A girl. You mean and it's something we've actually Talked about in our production meetings and very much intend to do on this show and hope that it remains possible. It is only day one or day too, So it is only they want And obviously there's some instances where you're going to have to do that. But I feel like the more you invoke him. The more we don't get to move forward. It's like not talking about it. X, you know, Anyway, thank you so much completely agree with your impose. Doesn't keep calling us Um, so kind of that point almost to that point. Let me play one more clip of Biden from the speech, and my guest is Mark Fisher from The Washington Post..
860AM The Answer
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on 860AM The Answer
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Anthony Scaramucci Compares Trump To Timothy McVeigh
KGO 810
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on KGO 810
"You know, it's like I can't even get him in the right direction they want when we have a discussion, they head off and 180 degree opposite. I'm like that's not going to do it. You know the Newton shootings of 2012. We're just, you know a small glimpse of what can still happen in this country. A Timothy McVeigh killed Children in the daycare center when he blew up a building in the middle of a of a not entirely different sort of circumstance where A militia group of white supremacists and people that were just, you know, sit on violence. I think that this is an opportunity with Trump, you know, relegated to the least to this. The wings for us to have a national discussion of who we are and what kind of people we really are. I think a lot of what we're seeing is theological outcome of allowing gun lobbyist to write our gun laws for so many years and that includes you know the most these themes would be domestic terrorists who are showing up with long guns to threaten elected officials and election officials today. The Michigan Capital had to shut down for the third time in the last six months because they're being threatened by mostly men with guns. And if we want to address this domestic terrorism that we're seeing all over the country, like in Kenosha, where vigilantes you know, are taking matters into their own hands. It does start with Public outcry but also our elected officials taking action and I think your point we are having to take sides and there there is no right side. Um Armed vigilantes, right? You have to be against that, Andre. So I feel strongly that we're going to see change in state legislatures, most going into session in January. Police reform is going to be a big topic of conversation. As is open carry, which is Something that's allowed with very little regulation and over 40 states in this country for them, and we have to have it over 40 states. Yeah, we have to have AH, conversation about gun violence, you know, again because Cove it is exacerbating a women are isolated with domestic abusers. Children are home with unsecured guns. People are struggling with suicidal ideation. And 400 million guns and very few gun laws. That is a recipe for tragedy. I'm amazed at the strength and resilience that the members of your organization and others similar on and being able to reach out to these families, because Um I'll be honest with you. I don't know if I would ever recover from something like that. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't And that was just what I was just watching President Obama. I would have I didn't want to take up our time, but I'm gonna play it in the next break. Of him on December 14th 2012 and you know You say this. This this moments like this can work both ways. You can get exceedingly better or it can travel down the other road, and we just have to make sure that it goes the right direction. So again, Moms demand action. You can find them on the Web and support them. They are people like Shannon Watts and many others. Who are committed to protecting our kids, and then everybody else that protects the kids to a swell shouldn't be. Well, Thank you so much for your time. And, um Hopefully catch you down the road sometime soon, okay? Thanks so much. I'd be well, um, I'm watching this video of President Obama on it. Z mind numbing to me that we live.
KGO 810
"timothy mcveigh" Discussed on KGO 810
"A Timothy McVeigh killed Children in the daycare center when he blew up a building in the middle of a of a not entirely different sort of circumstance where A militia group of white supremacists and people that were just, you know, sit on violence. I think that this is an opportunity with Trump, you know, relegated to the least to this. The wings for us to have a national discussion of who we are and what kind of people we really are. I think a lot of what we're seeing is theological outcome of allowing gun lobbyist to write our gun laws for so many years and that includes, you know the motive. These these would be domestic terrorists who are showing up with long guns to threaten elected officials and election officials today, the Michigan Capital had to shut down for the third time in the last six months because they're being threatened by mostly men with guns. And if we want to address this domestic terrorism that we're seeing all over the country, like in Kenosha, where vigilantes you know, are taking matters into their own hands. It does start with The public outcry but also our elected officials taking action and I think your point we are having to take sides and there is no right side of Armed vigilantes, right? You have to be against that, Andre. So I feel strongly that we're going to see change in state legislatures, most going into session in January. Police reform is going to be a big topic of conversation. As is open carry, which is Something that's allowed with very little regulation and over 40 states in this country for them, and we have to have it over 40 states. Yeah, we have to have Ah, conversation. About gun violence, you know, again because Cove it is exacerbating a women are isolated with domestic abusers. Children are home with unsecured guns. People are struggling with suicidal ideation and 400 million guns and very few gun laws is a is a recipe for tragedy. I'm amazed at the strength and resilience that the members of your organization and others similar on and being able to reach out to these families, because Um I'll be honest with you. I don't know if I would ever recover from something like that. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't And that was just what I was just watching President Obama. I would have I didn't want to take up our time, but I'm gonna play it in the next break. Loves him on December 14th 2012. And you know You say this. This this moments like this can work both ways. You can get exceedingly better or it can travel down the other road, and we just have to make sure that it goes the right direction. So again, Moms demand action. You can find them on the Web and support them. They are people like Shannon Watts and many others. Who are committed to protecting our kids, and then everybody else that protects the kids to a swell shouldn't be. Well, Thank you so much for your time. And, um Hopefully catch you down the road sometime soon, okay? Thanks so much be well, um, I'm watching this video of President Obama on it. Z mind numbing to me that we live in a in a country. That.
Monocle 24: The Briefing
beirut explosion latest news
"Some exercises in perspective the IRA bomb which severely damaged Canary Wharf in London in Nineteen ninety-six was estimated at just over one ton of ammonium nitrate Timothy McVeigh's bomb which demolished a federal government building in Oklahoma City in nineteen ninety-five was just over two tons of the same material. The boss which erupted in Beirut's port on Tuesday was estimated at two. Thousand seven hundred and fifty tons of ammonium nitrate. One of the biggest peacetime non nuclear explosions in history as Bhai. Route begins the barely imaginable task of cleaning up and is understandably enough growing tear gas was fired yesterday at protesters near the parliament building I'm joined. Now by Lila Milana, Allen France twenty four's correspondent in Beirut Leyla. First of all, you have been visiting the port which was the epicenter of the explosion. I can't begin to imagine where you would even describe such scene but I'm going to ask you to have a crack at doing that the scene is as you say, almost indescribable does smoke still rising from the charred MBA's off. Destroyed packing crates destroyed shelving and it says every kind of. Utility things you'd expect to see in shops. Twisted. Washing machines on the floor items from pharmacies because this of course port, this is the one thirty functional in Lebanon imposed everything and everything was stored than in the center. You have the remains of these enormous grain silos that carried the grain for the majority of the country completely destroyed and parts of them. Still collapsing there you have a aid workers desperately trying to dig people of rubble that's thirty meters deep, and the conditions are horrific temperatures of thirty degrees baking hot sun. The air is thick and brown the smell acrid burning metal and plastic. It really is post-apocalyptic and this goes on for over a mile. Entire poor is just smoking twisted metal and daybreak. Nash. have. You got a clear sense of how widespread the damage across Beirutis. How far can you go from the blast without seeing broken windows? So it. was about nine kilometers where we're still doing things like breaking windows the impact of it and having people. That's it really has spread incredibly far, and it's an uneven spread as well because. What's happened is that the grain ciders positioned in a certain way which meant that it protected half of the city of West Beirut, which historically has in many disasters. Conflicts actually born the brunt of of problems in Beirut and actually deflected the majority of the blast towards the East and the south, which is why a famous areas like Gymnasium Ohio Asha fear completely The buildings there obliterated and one of the concerns now is a lot of. Buildings the older buildings in Beirut the few buildings left in the east of in pre-civil war, which were much loved already, quite delicate on the point of collapse yesterday as people were trying to clear the streets constantly civil defense volunteers trying to pull people back away from these buildings with balconies hanging down stone starting to crumble because of course, that's a huge dangerous. People are still sifting through rubble trying to find loved ones that buildings could. New Buildings that had not yet collapsed could collapse on top of the other issue is that the new builds a lot of them are concrete and speaking to an engineer what can happen with concrete is that with a shockwave blast like this concrete cracks easily under pressure and so that can be in tunnel cracks there that you don't know about in can't be seen from the outside, but the make the building unstable and because there's really been. Very, little help from the government with people trying to go back into their homes, clear up and see what they can retrieve and whether their homes are still livable. Many people going back into very unstable buildings and some living there because they have no other former shelter. So a real risk of further injury as buildings might potentially collapse over the next few days very similar to the aftermath of an earthquake, which is what this is compared to. A among the people who was serving the damage in Beirut yesterday was of course, President Emmanuel Macron of France undertaking a extraordinary spontaneous visit. How is that being received? I mean, it's it's understandable enough that Lebanese politicians don't want to interact at a personal level with the public at the not only for their own safety but is it being regarded as strange that the first high profile politician to to take a walkabout should be the president of an entirely different country? Well, it is strange, but it's not being regarded as strange. I was down on the street yesterday when McCone was was walking through glad-handing the crowd I mean, he really was you know playing up to it and was supposed to be going to Baabda Palace, the Presidential Palace to meet with politicians and delayed that for an extra hour on the schedule to stay with Lebanese people in the streets of course, playing up very much. The fact that he was there to see them he'd said before the visit my main priorities to go and be with the people of Lebanon. And extend, solidarity's to them, and then after that I will be dealing with the political varieties speaking to them. So in the streets, he was absolutely mobbed by people he's hugging people shaking hands with them people coming up tim saying, please don't give those politicians any money that corrupt criminals we don't trust them and he responded to one woman I know you don't trust them graffiti everywhere saying don't give one. Euro. To those Michael help us. So he really did make himself as I say a man of the people yesterday I spoke to a couple of young women afterwards. WHO said to me? That man was more of a leader to us in fifteen minutes than any of our politicians have been where all day no one has come to see us where are they wears the help and later in the day after a lot of commentary that. The. Obviously. Lebanese politicians feeding quite shamefaced one. The justice minister did come down to the streets to try and speak to people clearing up and she had water thrown in her face and chanting protest. Immediately, they're not welcome and that people absolutely fading that the government has no interest in safety in their health in their wellbeing and their ability to rebuild hiding away from them as everybody marshals together to try and get things. Back to nothing like normal but something livable at least just to follow that up finally, regular listeners may recall that you and I were speaking on Monday talking about the resignation of Lebanon's foreign minister and that seemed like a pretty big story at the time He's probably ruin his timing at this point but have you seen or heard anything in terms of actual messaging attempts to help or anything from the alleged government of Lebanon or d you kind of assume that they've all got to the point where they just realized the games up nobody really wants to hear from them anymore. It's quite extraordinary. There is honesty nothing happening in terms of that what the government is doing a lot of finger pointing at each other and previous administrations about who's to blame for this they've put everybody associated with the report under house arrest and saying that they're going to find the perpetrators. But of course, everybody's saying somebody else's the perpetrator on what we know so far it seems that for six years has been ongoing negligence at the highest. Level where a several reports were were built up by the head of the port and have customs sent to the government center the Prime Minister's Office the judiciary about the fact that this was a ticking time bomb and something has to be done completely ignored. So the government is going on about this investigation saying they'll find responsible meanwhile three hundred, thousand people in Beirut homeless, five, thousand injured hundreds still missing, and honestly all you can see on the streets is volunteers. The. Lebanese. breath volunteers, obviously with their ambulances civil defence wanting tears, young people armed with spades and rooms marching down the street just going into people's homes into buildings and sweeping up what they can and moving onto the next one cleaning up themselves. They all said to me of course not here we wouldn't expect anything else from them with the only people who can help ourselves and today international aid. Groups coming in different countries, sending their own firefighters medical support in, and still a complete absence of the Lebanese government anywhere except the poor area learn Milana Allen in Beirut thank you very much for joining us.
Press Play with Madeleine Brand
Lebanese officials blame explosion in Beirut on ammonium nitrate. Can something similar happen in US?
"In in Beirut Beirut yesterday yesterday after after a a massive massive explosion explosion rocked rocked Lebanon's Lebanon's capital, capital, killing killing more more than than 100 100 injuring injuring thousands thousands leveling leveling an an entire entire neighborhood. Lebanese officials blamed the blast on more than 2700 tons of highly explosive ammonium nitrate stored without safety measures. The same chemical fertilizer has been responsible for huge explosions here in the United States as well. And used as a bomb making components in international and domestic terrorism. So what kind of safety regulations exist in the U. S to keep something like this from happening here? Going to put that question to Joe words. He covers the environment for the center for public integrity, and he's written about this. Welcome to press play. They start having So what we saw in Lebanon has happened here in the U. S, right? I mean, maybe not on the scale of yesterday's explosion, but ammonium nitrate was linked to an explosion seven years ago in the town of West Texas, right. That's right in West Texas, 2013 you know there was a big accident there afire and triggered an explosion of 60 tons of ammonium nitrate. 15 people died. 260 people were injured, and this really just rocked the town. It destroyed Windows leveled apartments. It just looked like a tornado had ripped through the town. Before that, In 1947 There is what is considered to be the worst industrial accident in the US 581 people died. This was near Galveston, Texas. Andi was a similar situation. It was ammonium nitrate stored unsafely there that was involved in a big explosion. So this is You know, a common element of some of the worst disasters. How do you compare the one that happened yesterday? I mean, was it a similar level of of ammunition there? Well, you know, with one in West Texas, 1 2013 was an estimated 60 tons. It's early with the investigation in Beirut, but, you know, early estimates put the amount of ammonium nitrate stored there at around 3000 tons. So we're talking about a considerably more ammonium nitrate. And when we heard that first clip when you played it, I mean, you could hear that deep, concussive blast. It comes from, but it's it's It's like a detonation, and that's a real signature of these thieves. Types of explosions. It makes them wonder. I mean, what kind of federal rules exist to prevent these kinds of tragedies? You know, that's a good question. It's a patchwork of federal and state rules, including some that have been weakened in recent years. First, it's important to note that there's not a great You know, public estimate of how many of these facilities are around. The U. S Last survey done by the federal government is several years old, and it's estimated that there's 1300 of these facilities in 47 states. There's a couple layers of federal protection one through the AI. They require facilities that store this stuff to tell the government that they're storing it. Tell him how much is being stored and how it's being stored. That's supposed to be information that's available to first responders and firefighters in the area. But after the West Texas accident, Obama sent out this executive order and he really pushed his administration in the agencies to do more Teo to safeguard against these types of accidents. When President Trump's administration took over, they set about dismantling large parts of that rule. They took out some of the big elements, explaining that it was a burden to industry and the agricultural business industry pushed hard. Lobbied very hard to get those elements out of the rule. Well, it's interesting, just kind of the secretive nature of this. I mean, Ah, I also have a sense that you're kind of well acquainted with this. You're from Oklahoma. You lived in Oklahoma City for a long time. This same fertilizer was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, right? Yeah, That's right. It was used used in Timothy McVeigh's bomb. You know, 168 people died. I'm from Oklahoma City. It wasn't living in that city at the time, but you know, 90 miles away. I remember that day. Remember being pulled out of class during that day? Because you know we knew people that were, you know in the explosion. So since Del Carmen City bombing states have gotten really concerned about terrorism about domestic terrorism or criminals, getting their hands on On ammonium nitrate and so the public right to know laws or up against thes e safety concerns. What you get is really inconsistent quilt of regulations where, say in Texas this information is highly secretive state goes to right major lengths to prevent people from knowing it. If you can get that information online in other states like Nebraska and Iowa, even states like Oklahoma makes that information available. If you ask other states make it really hard or make the public go through these weird steps to get the information. What about here in California? I mean, this is a major agricultural hub. Were you able to learn anything about this issue in our state? Yeah, I requested info from California and we got a very confusing response. It wasn't clear They passed me off to other people. The information on paper is available to residents in California's They request it. It's not available in a handy Online way that many other states have it up. But I'm told the information is available if you requested it gets tricky, though, because you have to know the name and the address of the facility usually And then you have to find out where that information is stored. In most cases, that's a local fire department but usually have to call local fire departments say. Hey, I'm curious about you know this facility on The street. Can you tell me if there's anything dangerous being stored there, and in many cases, you may not know that stuff's being stored there. It's easier to think of like a like an oil refinery right or some big complex that Obviously looks like you know, it would be a problem is there was a disaster there, but the West, you know, Texas accident. This just happened in a random looking shed in the middle of a field. You would have no indication driving by this thing that it was storing. No. 60 tons of highly explosive chemical. We'll. Finally How does all this uneven regulation and lack of transparency put people at risk? You know, first responders and firefighters in West Texas and safety advocates have really you know, raised alarms about this after West Texas and then as some of the slightly tougher rules got weakened. In subsequent administrations, they say, you know, it's it's not clear that more could be done, Teo prevent these types of accidents and increase oversight and safety, You know, both from Public knowing what kind of risks air there from first responders and firefighters. That was something that came out the West Texas accident was firefighters that responded didn't really know the full extent of what was being stored there. So people are concerned about this and continue to raise red flags. Joe