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Study Shows That COVID-19 Patients Testing Positive After Recovering Are Not Infectious

The Daily Dive

23:00 min | 4 months ago

Study Shows That COVID-19 Patients Testing Positive After Recovering Are Not Infectious

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These so-called re positive patients weren't spreading any lingering infection, and we're shedding only dead virus, Arctic. Emma court health reporter at Bloomberg. News joins us for what we learning about. How contagious someone is after recovering from the virus? Next has all fifty states reopening in some form. Already are gyms to reopen. For, a lot of gym owners, there's a frustration in the lack of any strict guidelines. Temperature checks extra cleaning hand sanitizer must. Face masks snoop present an uncertainty with some gyms leading the customers decide on whether to wear them. Hillary POKKA wits contributor to the wall, Street Journal joins us for how the first gyms are handling the combat. Finally in school might be cancelled right now, but that hasn't stopped scandals from being resolved on Monday. The University of Kentucky fired the entire coaching staff of its storied cheerleading program. three-month internal investigation said that the students were engaging in hazing rituals. Nudity and drinking alcohol and the Coaches Watch. Tim Sullivan Sports Columnist at the Courier Journal joins us for more. News without the noise that's. More importantly, the researchers in Korea believes that the diagnostic test we use are well able to distinguish between of active particles in the virus in particles with virus that are not active and are able to sort of be infectious. Joining us now is Emma Court reporter at Bloomberg News. Thanks for joining US Emma. Thanks for having me. It's interesting news coming out of the South Korean CDC. Might. Be Some pretty good news. Actually concerning recovered patients and possible immunities, researchers are finding evidence that patients who test positive for the coronavirus after recovering aren't capable of transmitting the infection, and they could have antibodies that could prevent them from falling sick again. Emma tell us a little bit more about what they're saying. This is a really interesting piece of research. They basically looked at people who had had covered and later tested positive, even though it has been some period of time since they had been sick and basically attempted to answer this question of our people infectious, even later on, and the researchers seem to think that they are not infectious, which is good news because knowing that people have recovered no longer infectious, extremely important, obviously as we try to reopen economies and some people back to work in school and things like that, and it's also kind of a hopeful note in terms of this, though lingering question about whether people who've had covid and survived and. Are Immuno although that's still I think something. Many people would tell you is still a big unanswered question at this point I wanna make sure I. Get this right. These people that tested positive again. Were they sick again where they showing symptoms themselves or they just tested positive after previously getting over it and having a negative test. So they recovered, it sounds like the researchers had negative test from them, and then they had another positive test. They're calling them. Quote Unquote. Re positive patients, so that's important here because there's also been an indicator that they have and they're going to test, but more importantly, the researchers in Korea believes that the diagnostic test we use our well able to distinguish between sort of active particles in the virus and particles virus that not active and are able to sort of be infectious, so that's kind of the key thing here. This really underscores the limitation of the diagnostic tests that we have rather than sort of making bigger sweeping. Conclusions about how coronavirus work so in these people that had recovered, they also had some antibodies against this, and that's also interesting to you compared this a little bit to a recent study in Singapore about SARS, people who had recovered from SARS and they had neutralizing antibodies nine to seventeen years after their initial infection. Now we don't know obviously if this is the case with covid nineteen specifically, but it is kind of a cousin virus. Let's say and this is the thing. The hope is that your antibodies would protect you for quite some time after getting in fact. We've seen it. Be This way with other viruses right? We've seen antibodies be protective and other scenarios, but there are a lot of limitations. Do the facility. Corona virus, and we also don't know if there is immunity how long it lasts, and that's kind of the biggest question right now. kind of underscoring every public health effort we launch every private sector effort around coronavirus I mean the answer to this question is going to have really widespread implications, and you know you might be able to say we believe this. We assume they're probably is immunity Elliott some levels immunity, but we just don't know that for sure because we haven't studied that specifically at this point and been able to come to a firm conclusion. How many a little bit more about people testing positive again because some of these tests can't distinguish between dead and virus particles, because this was one of the discussions that was having with somebody else of. Does the virus just lie dormant, or we get rid of it completely? So, what is this kind of mean on that front? Understanding that researchers have is the virus. Particles may remain in cells even effort. They've sort of been inactivated so ideas that are the test we have aren't always they believe able to distinguish between active and inactive particles and I think it's worth noting like this is just one element of allergic discussion. We're having around diagnostic tests and how well they work on the. The whole I mean. Can we rely on a test that you take when you're sick to be? The be all end all in terms of saying you have coronavirus. Don't have coronavirus and I think this study is just the sort of the latest proof that there are extremely important limitations that we have to consider. I think many doctors would tell you if you're. You're someone and you test negative for Covid nineteen. Like may still think you might have it, and they may still tell you to some quarantine. They still tell you to be extremely cautious in your behavior, not go out for fourteen days in the like, because there are other factors at play, and we can't rely entirely on these tests to just tell us yes. Yes or no, but as you mentioned at the beginning, this is a positive sign for regions that are reopening their economies so much, so that South Korea has revised a bunch of its protocols, and basically saying that. If you recovered from this, you went through a period of isolation. You're good to go move freely. We don't have to worry about you anymore. Right and I think that's a really good point and I think you know I actually just spoke with a person in public health and Utah who was saying they've seen the same problem. Right? People had covid nineteen. They recovered and can test positive. I times months afterwards, and she said you know we're just following the CDC protocol, which are I think probably pretty aligned with what career is doing. Doing sort of just basically waiting a certain amount of time after people have sent, you know insurance. They've recovered and kind of following that protocol around infection, so I think you know it does pose knowing this emerging evidence around how antibodies with this disease work will kind of embolden public health officials. You know not just in incredible, but around the world in terms of making some of these decisions. Court health reporter at Bloomberg, news thank you very much for joining us. Thanks so much. An it career at ddat means owning the opportunity to play a crucial role in transforming how agencies operate join DDAT for challenging and impactful work that advances your career apply now at Gd it. Dot Com slash careers. GED's laboratory. Florida's billy veteran I heart radio in state farm know the graduation stage is the first of many, and while grads may not be walking across one this year. They can get the send-off. 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Was a greening them in a mask as well as with a face shield, having a glove on my hand taking their temperature, they'll. They are filling out daily symptom report, and then a their direct manager is making a physical I. check on them as well. Hillary POKKA wits contributor to the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for joining US Hillary. Thank you as the country is in this phase of reopening now I think by now all fifty states have reopened in some type of capacity. wanted to try to focus on different aspects of that and gyms are one of those specific things that could be potential breeding ground for a virus or any other illness to spread just due to the amount of people in a possible location at the different touching. Touching of equipment, and how quickly those things get cleaned up, so hillary wrote an article about how ready are gyms to reopen and all JIM's depending where they're located, have to follow their local guidelines, but it still seems that masks are kind of that one thing that nobody agrees on. You have to wear them in some places you don't and others that seems to be one of the major stick ups. So, not every state you know agrees that Jim's need to open in the first phase, but of the places that have it seems like the states seem reluctant to put a real mandate down. They'll say things like recommend. People wear a mask or they'll say that. The Gym should encourage people to wear a mask. It's very squishy I think it's hard for Jim Owners to really know what? What to do, but there are a few things that they're very specific about the regulations you have to separate equipment or you know. Turn off every other treadmill for example, keep people farther apart. A lot of places are not allowing locker rooms to open yet and swimming pools and gyms. No, where are they allowing swimming pools and basketball courts and things like that are not open yet. As far as the way, let's say a machine would get cleaned or something if somebody is using it, do they stop usage of that machine until somebody can come and clean, and how does that type of thing working out? Most places are setting up disinfecting stations within easy reach of every machine. Every Jim that I spoke to you and say it's the opening. They've multiplied the number of hand. Hand sanitizing stations and disinfecting wipes, and they're telling customers to wipe down the equipment before, and after they use it and the gym staff. Themselves are wiping everything down someplace. They're doing an intermission in the middle of the day at one o'clock, and doing a deep clean of everything, and then letting people back in others are just constantly. You have trainers who are now cleaners, basically who are? Are just wiping down all of the equipment all the time you definitely want to be, you want cleaning to be conspicuous that good ever if you go to you to TV very conspicuous, and if possible, you want them to have doors open for example, every doctor that I talked to. You said that they'd like air movement exchange of air. Things should be walking through. You want windows or doors. Doors Open if possible, so Georgia Oklahoma Tennessee there among these handful of states that have allowed gyms to reopen the first wave of business reopenings. Tell us a little bit about conversations. You've had with people in these areas. Because there's a few differences, there's the smaller local gyms. There's the bigger chain gems, and then there's even cross centers, which all have their kind of individual quirks to them. Most of the places that I talked to. There were a few large gym chains that have reopened in places like Crunch Planet Fitness Goals Gym. Those chains have all reopened, and they have their corporate cleanliness policies that and a lot of cases are more strict than whatever state policies they have, and then the cross fits and smaller gyms there live on their own, I mean the ones. I spoke to in Georgia. They have the Centers for disease. Control right there in Atlanta. So I feel like they may be in a better position than most because some of their members worked for the CDC's. CDC's like and ask them. Hey, what do you really recommend? And most of the places instructors are required to wear masks, and as far as the members go, it seems to be optional, but some of the places like orange theory for example is making their instructors wear masks and goggles, and they're requiring members to wear masks, so everyone is like fully covered and protected other places. They're making it more optional and I. It really is down to you. As JIM member have to kind of weigh the risks and the benefits, because now we know about heavy breathing and causing and singing the choirs. The spread and other parts of the country and the problem with the heavy breathing and then panting is that those particles in the air? Then they fall onto the machines, and that's what worries doctors the most, so it's really about cleanliness space between people and comfort level what has been the turnout to the gyms. What has been the return of people so far? It's only been a week or two for most places, but all the gym that I spoke to said that they're looking at about half capacity. They've limited the number of people that can work out at a time a lot of places now. You have to reserve your spot online ahead of time. Even if it's not a class, you just need to reserve your workout time for example, but only about fifty percent, if that of the amount of traffic that they would normally experience at this time of year. They're seeing however I will say that. That every time I spoke to had new members join, and they say it's the combination of people just itching to get out of the house and do something, and also people are much more aware of health and implications of poor health, and how sort of this virus has impacted people who are on the unhealthier end of the Scales and so a lot of the gym so that they have a positive uptick in people saying you know what I really wanted like take control and of my personal health, and like starting in two directions. Killary wits contributor to the Wall Street Journal. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank, thank you. Both. Hear of any behavior such as this going forward. We have excellent oversight in terms of. Sandy Bell and all the other structures of this university puts in play. Joining us now is Tim Sullivan Sports columnist at the Courier Journal thanks for joining US Tim. You. Talk about a school cheerleading scandal. It's this interesting time. During the pandemic schools were canceled, a lot of things are shut so when the story up I was like it kind of struck me. I didn't know something like this was ongoing, but apparently this was a something that had been being investigated for quite some time. The University of Kentucky Fired Their Entire Truly and coaching staff from their program on Monday, and they said that students on the team had engaged in hazing rituals and public nudity and use alcohol on the Coaches Watch Tim. Tell us a little bit about what happened. There were a couple of trips to the team took Wunderlich Cumberland another after even in Tennessee that were designed as bonding type experiences, and were scheduled very heavily. Most of the time to the team was together, but there was some downtime, and there were college students being college. some of the things that were alleged in the report I don't think would come as a huge surprise to anyone who attended college that there were sexually charged chance and topless bottomless books in the lake and drinking and all of this. Be Guest team. Whether happy in you, coaches over the knowledge of the coaches. I think the sticking point there's going. There's been quite a lot of backlash from cheerleaders informer, surely saying that you know that they are adults and. They're responsible for their own actually. Didn't really know what's going on. And that seems to be across the matter right now. Is Whether University Demonstrate that they had knowledge or should add and the coaches. That out. We don't know this was a three month. Internal investigation done by the University of Kentucky, and it was prompted because there was a complaint made by a student's parent an early February as you mentioned they were doing. These basket tosses where I hurl one of the cheerleaders, and they were hurling them into the lake, and he's you mention either topless slur bottomless. They said that several. Several chillers became intoxicated and some required medical treatment during the retreat because of the drinking, so these are all the allegations that are involved in that part of the report, also I guess they were looking in to see if there was any sexual assault or any type of sexual misconduct during those trips in the report. They said that they found no evidence of any of that stuff. There were things mentioned in port that they They! could not confirm or did we're not? Confident enough to allege. I can imagine with a team of I think fifty four. Cheerleaders of enders that you're going to have certain activities that place individuals at risk and take one of the things that maybe not as well understood by some students as the administrators is that you know that the hazing it's been alleged can be very subtle, and there can be a Lotta. Peer pressure applied to me seem reasonably innocent, some and less to others that may be a big bone of contention as well is. Has This move forward to me? It has a lot of echoes of the two thousand fourteen case, involving the highest march in my daughter happened to be a member of the band at that time. And a lot of the allegations are very similar. And the result was the bandleader lost his job and I had a hard time imagining that this will go much different, so the four coaches have been removed now. One of the interesting things that happened was that some of the students on the cheerleading squad were rallying around the coaches on social media. How did that go? It's ongoing I mean I've found already. At least four incidents are cases of female, surely posted videos themselves being flung into the lake with both halves or their bikini intact. That doesn't prove that there wasn't. Nudity in other situations, or possibly even with these same girls in another flips, but I think the message that the students, and the surely the cheerleaders. Unfortunately, you're trying to get out. Is that you know what was done was done. You know my free will and soon so by large were. Leitch there may have been some examples of miners were exposed to alcohol on the were, but I don't know that that is the hardest I think they're. More concerned from the sexual harassment. And sexual charge behavior. Drinking at least that's my perception that that hasn't stand -actly. Tim Sullivan sports columnist at the courier. Journal. Thank you very much for joining us. Anytime. That's it for today. Join US on social media at Dude. I bought on both twitter and instagram. 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ZBT #108: Travis Manion Foundation // The Army Is Fat & Tired

Zero Blog Thirty

1:05:11 hr | 2 years ago

ZBT #108: Travis Manion Foundation // The Army Is Fat & Tired

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All they're asking you to do is check out what they're doing at Starbucks dot com. Slash veterans that Starbucks dot com slash veterans. The music. Bodies at the that the pies. Bodies dumped buys. All right. It's been a busy week, lots of batching. Shaming all over the place cons. Would you like to take the lead on this on what the fuck is going on with your NCO corps when your beloved army? Yeah, but before we get to that, you're going the other direction. What do you mean shaming? You've decided to just not care about your waistline. I'm. Yeah, I'm not in. I'm not active. I'm allowed to be nasty civilian. In fact, many are saying across the internet landscape that I've earned that wreck can I say, I just love the title of the article that brought this conversation about, oh, you got to you have it. So please read it military times. And this that line, a staggering number of troops are fat and tired. And the picture is of someone in uniform is just up-close of them holding a jelly Donut there. Yeah. Yeah, it's bad. So report on health promotion and disease prevention has painted a grim picture of the military's physical fitness and sleep standards featuring roughly eighteen thousand randomly selected participants across each of the service branches. It showed that almost sixty six percent of servicemembers are considered to be either overweight or obese, holy shit. That's well how many sixty six percent St. six percent based on the military's use of body mass index. Okay. Has a measuring standard. That's ridiculous then because they usually have a little more leeway of your weight and height and all that. Do you want to hear the breakdown? Yes. All right. Get ready. Whichever branch I have. I have an idea, but go ahead, drum roll please. And I imagine this drum to be played with two chicken drumsticks, deep fried. Broken down by service, the army accounts for the highest percentage troop watch. To me at all y. I can can. I guess this can, I guess before we do it? Yes. I wanna guess I haven't seen the article acceptable in the thing. I would say armies, the fattest, I would say, Dennis the navy airforce marines. Okay, but there's one in front of navy there including coastguard in this say, so goes scarred, navy, airforce, marines show. Honestly, I, I would have thought the navy would have been at the top of the list just because of the nature of their jobs and the fact that they are stuck on ships and I have never spent time on a ship, but I had imagined doing on a ship is a lot harder and cons. You know, I would never take shots at the army. That's not what I do on this podcast. Never you've never done that makes you guys not only the lowest apps scores, but also the fattest. It's the fat, dumb guys, faddem guys on the block today for the army. I will say, I feel like the army knew what they were doing and they kind of given a wink to the rest of us. Guess what percent of the army is overweight sixty nine years. Ace. A sexy number of very overweight troops, but I. Chaps I look to you buddy what it what is going on with these NCO's that they are allowing these soldiers to get fatten and dumb baby. The officers who graduated from West Point or more focused on football than training their troops. And you know what? I don't necessarily have a problem with that. You guys are being cranky, maybe it's because you're tired. And this report also talked about legitimately and fat tired. Yeah, if they say the active duty and they just said, hey, everyone is fat and tired. I think America look itself in the mirror be like, yeah, that's that's about, well, they said. Chubby. This study kind of reflects what's happening throughout the rest of America. The army also, though bad look reported the highest rate of sleep concerns with ten point, six percent of soldiers routinely consuming sleeping aids. Interesting. The marines were next airmen sailors rounding that out the marines. I think they only take sleeping pills because they drink so much rip it's, I was gonna start the probably the reason that the army needs, although sleep aids just goes, you know, tobacco caffeine are rampant throughout the military, so it's fries. You need something to bring you down to sleep at night. That's why we recommend Starbucks. We also recommend that you mix decaf every now and then just mix it up a little bit now, but it's not surprising that they're tired. I mean, if you have to get up every day at five AM and you're at work until six, seven o'clock. And then if you stay up when you get home, that's just a bad cycle and then lack of sleep leads to weight gain. You know what. You know, what do you feel goes to the military culture of if I text you or call you at any point you better answer? I don't think that it allows you to get any deep sleep ever. 'cause you're always on call in if you miss those call, you are fucking dead meat, especially, you'll have that. I work at barstool and I have that because I mean my military brain still works in the same way like just because it takes a long time to get ten years of training out of your head. Like if it's working hours, even though Kate night, don't get off until midnight. I'm like, okay, if it's eight o'clock in the morning, my kids left, maybe I'll just grab like thirty minutes more sleep, not going to happen because I'm worried that I'm gonna miss a phone call. That's right. NDA were Erica has called me like maybe three times in three in two and a half years. Yeah. So I just don't think that's going to happen, but I'm still like again, this this phone call, Kim. This is the answer right away yet. No, it's a culture problem overall. Definitely. And you're tired to winner eating doughnuts? Yes, not the best. Yeah, health at all. Paul goes into gather, but I remembered to like you're in the field, you're eating as the what's the first thing everybody did when they got released after being in the field. Go get a shit house meal by. Bye. Good meal. I met. Yeah, it'll be like on. Like you. I don't know, but I kid you not when I when I worked at Quantico my entire diet when I was a single data and marine at the same time, my entire diet was one meal, and I would go at around two o'clock whenever we put the dogs out for training. I didn't have time for breakfast. I didn't have time for dinner really because I was working on paperwork. I would go eat three bacon editors at lunch, a large fry in a drink, and I still only weighed like one hundred sixty pounds because of how much shit you're doing now is just like I gotta get in thirty five hundred calories somehow. Let's just do it in one meal. God bless that metabolism to and then in the army. And I'm sure that's true of any branches. We had the gut trucks that would come to rule. Motor coach? Yeah, Roach coach, Chuck. Yeah, it would come to the motor pool so you can only imagine the type of food that's coming out of a truck and not necessarily the most healthy. What do you guys think is the solution here? Because obviously the problem is growing and growing. I know we used to have we called them BC people tunes body control percentage or something like that where it was literally like, here's the group of people in whatever that we need them to lose weight. But it's clearly it's not working because the problems growing, what do you do? And it is kind of a touchy subject, but I feel like at some point, if you're in the military and you knew going in that you have to be within these standards like it sucks and I don't want to sound like a douche, but like unless you have some sort of the i. Royd problem like you better fucking be within standards. Oh, it said, and that's what's great about the military is we can avoid being PC with instances like, hey, you're fat, you're overweight, that's not being judgy and thinking, maybe you should lose a few pounds. So you look better on your uniform. The. Tell me you are overweight. This is a problem because then it leads to, I mean, at the root of everything in the military, your body is a weapon. So you have to be the most inch, the most fit person that you can be to be the most effective, especially when you consider all these deployments that we're going on still to this day. So I don't have a problem with leadership coming down, hard on these people and saying, get your act together. But like how I was when I was a company gunning I used to run the BC program. Oh, and it was so fun because I had all the fat bodies microbe. And I would just belittle them all day and tell them that they are fat, and then we would go to the stadium. Oh yeah. They're fat little pieces of shit and they knew it so because it's again, it's not outside of the military culture. I don't think that's ever appropriate inside the military culture. It is one thousand percent data. That's my point. We don't have to be that it does come down to leadership though. It's. With weight people know it's a cycle, and so I feel like good leadership. Fosters healthy lifestyle then does it in like a healthy way and like maybe you'll get them to lose weight for like a chunk of time, but to inspire people to leave and completely changed our lifestyle and really stick with it so they can be successful in the military. I do think that's really difficult and really hard to do. Personalities. Yeah, I think that's what you do whenever you have, for example, a shortage of people who are willing to enlist, like if you had a draft type of military where it's not all on tier, we don't really need you right now. You better be in the standards because if you're outside of the standard should get the fuck out, and then we're seeing that will General Mattis takes the Masa department of defense. If you're not in standard, get the fuck out. And I used to love going to the BBC p guys because we used to run the stadium one time. Various specifically I used to make them run. I would run with them. It wasn't like I was just out there sitting on a lawn chair if they were running, I was running to and I'll be like, all right, we're gonna go do the stadiums, and so we would run up and down weave in and out just like you would an old football practice while there is one super fact. He got super chubby probably way. I mean in the military wing to sixty to seventy as a big felt that's very big fella. So he was a big fella rumbling on. On these stairs while underneath the stairs was this big ass be and the stadium steps he made the beehive fall off of now a concrete steps. So Bs started going everywhere. I was on one side. Some of my fat bodies were on the other side of the stadium, and they're screaming from the top of the stairs stuff. But he's like no longer running in formation or any type of organization just standard where like if you're. Nate have gone up an I star giant laughing. One female is like. Getting. I just. My captain comes out. The company commander comes out. He's like, what the fuck is going on. For me, fat bodies. Oh my goodness, that's that's a sight to behold. I wish I was there for that right now is dying chaps. I'm with you that you can very forceful and you can be very blunt. But at the same time, not to the extent that you're making these people feel horrible themselves because you have to, especially as a leader as an NCO as a platoon leader. I think it comes down to small unit leadership, right? Have to instill that lifestyle as you mentioned them, feel good about themselves. There has to be a balance within leadership styles in each role is very specific. I think the the role of the company gunnery sergeant is not to be a Kadar now, roll company. First Arjun is not wanna go see, quote, daddy. Go see the company commander. Yep, because if you come to my company office, that's not going to happen. I would expect my platoon sergeant to be the one weapon guys in the shape, and then you can come to my office and we're going to sit down and I'll be the one to work through a good eating plan, a good, strong diet and sleep regiment and to encourage you to lead a healthier life balance. And it's not just shitting on people. I don't wanna. Right, right. And I don't think it should be is because each unit has three people basically on top you have your company commander, you have, you're tuned commanders and then you have your tune level leadership company level enlisted leadership. You have those three kind of dichotomies. You have to look at the personalities that are within that because there's been organizations that I've been the nice guy to like when I was down here lack when as the instructor. My my role was very, very different than it was the company gummy, but I think as a company very specifically in that role, you've got to be addicted because that's the job requires because you can't take on that feeling well as an as an excuse, like. It's just not going to cut it. Yep. So it's gotta come down from very on high that the culture needs to change. And then you know that company level leadership needs take it upon themselves to own that responsibility to get these soldiers. Airmen marines sailors guardsmen into shape. 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A lot of people ask me, where were you on? Nine eleven do on nine eleven. So my story is I was actually home. I was off duty. It actually had been a beautiful day that morning. My wife was eight and a half months pregnant, and she's a schoolteacher. So she'd gotten up in the morning and she she said, hey, Tim, it's beautiful day. I'm going to work. You're staying home. And with that, I went downstairs. I was reading the paper and the phone rang, and it was turned out to be my brother who is a navy officer and he goes all thank God, you're home. What are you? What are you talking about? He was watching TV, and I said, I'm not. He goes, turn on the TV so I turned on the TV and the the first tower was burning and I said to him, Holly, you know, it looks like the brothers are going to be busy today, and he just pause. And he said to me, Tim, it's gonna get worse. You need to get to work. And with that. He hung up. I went outside, jumped in the car, and I started driving into the city. And I said, well, I'd better call Colleen and I called and I left a message on on her voicemail. I said, hey, look, something's going on in Manhattan. I gotta get to work and I don't know when I'll get a chance to call you again. As I drove into the city, the I got Yonkers raceway. And if you know where that is, you can actually see the skyline. I could actually see both towers burning and I just got a bad feeling in my stomach. And what I did was I called my friend Jeff who Colleen, and I had already asked to be our unborn child's godfather, and he said you heading into the city. I said, yeah, I am. And he says, okay, I said, look, Jeff firemen are going to die today. If something happens to me, you're gonna have to watch over Colleen and our own born child. Was that a thought you'd ever had before going into work? I'd only had it once before it was when I actually left to go to operate in desert shield as a storm when I was a marine and I'd ask the priest who I knew that if something happened to me, I wanted him to say my funeral, so I hadn't thought about it ever since. But I asked Jeff, and I got into the firehouse and all the guys coming in from off duty. It was. It was crazy that day, you know, as I was driving in as fast as my little Chevy cavalier drive, I was actually being passed. I was doing one hundred miles an hour and I was being passed on the left and the right by these by the cops and firemen racing into the city as. So by the time I got down to the Trade Center, the bowl towers had come down ready and it was, you know, dust and smoke everywhere, and people that had survived the collapse kind of walking around and the guys like us who are coming in after the fact. We just tried to help them and they do do what we could. And we started forming small groups under officers that we didn't know. And they were like, okay, this group start to start digging here and we'd form, you know, we would hear the on the air packs. There's a motion sensors, and if they're no motion, they go off. So we could hear motion sensors in in the piles of debris, and we try and dig, and you know, we heal turned out to be just a pack laying around that maybe had been dropped or whatever. So I worked through the night, he'll at the trade centre, went home the next morning, so you know Saul, Colleen. And then what started was basically twenty four hours on and twelve hours off either out the Trade Center in the firehouse for the next few days. And my next part of the story of nine eleven is that on the day, the President Bush came to the Trade Center and everybody remembers him, stay rate speech. I was dog tired and they said, if you're gonna leave leave now it it out or you're gonna be, you know, you gotta have to stay. Right. So I said, I'm outta here and I headed home and my wife, like I said, eight and a half months pregnant absolutely has a melt down on me and she's screaming and yelling that you know, how could you leave? You know you were just willing to go. And she goes, you didn't even think about me. And I said, I did. I did think. About you because what do you mean? How how did you think about me and I, I call Jeff, and also she stops crying and she looks. She goes, you call Jeff. I said, what do you mean? You said she goes, you left me with Jeff. I'm sorry. Brad, Pitt wasn't available. And that's how on and then exactly two weeks after September. Exactly. Two weeks after September. Eleventh. My son was born. His birthday was just the yes, two days ago earned. Seventeen. So it's been, you know, and that started a whole thing of, you know, working at the Trade Center working in the fire houses. And then on off duty time, I would actually come home and take take my son aid in the little one of them, baby bizarre things strapped him to the chest, the my uniform, and I just take him to funerals. And just and my wife would be like which funeral today, I don't know of one this one going on this one I'm going. I'm going Patty Brown's to Greg Sikorsky's Chris Blackwell's you know, and it was just, you know. You know, whether it was guys, I knew guys, I didn't know, but I went to as many as I could. You know, and I had a newborn strapped to my chest, so life moved on. You know, the fire department moved on. I a couple years after I had been working up in Harlem, and I got the opportunity to transfer to rescue company number one in midtown, Manhattan, right, and got a visitor, and then and then I got a visitor. So rescue one is a special ops company. We do a lot of scuba diving. We do a lot of the technical rescue stuff that happens in Manhattan and I was working on in December of two thousand six. And there was a knock on the door and there's two marines at the door. You know, hey, come on in there, say we're marines. Were here visiting. I said, well, a former marine come on in sure. And usually in midtown Manhattan, a lot of fire houses get a lot of isitor's and I kind of had my standard tour that I would give you'll visitors, but him being a marine, you know, both of them being marines. We started talking a little bit. And turns out Travis. He talked about having been to Iraq and that he was getting ready to go back to another. You know, the deployment hit a friend with them who was a a helicopter pilots h. Fifty-three pilot, Steve Cantrell, and we just talked and end up hanging out for a couple of hours in the firehouse talking about the upcoming deployment and what he expected. And at the end of the after showing them around the firehouse and talking about Travis actually said, hey, can I buy a t shirt or hat? And I said, no, you can't buy it. I said, I'm going to give it to you. So I gave them a t shirt and a hat. And with that often to the ninety went and you probably didn't think much of it at that to be honest, it was, yeah, that's what happened in off into the ninety one. And then Ryan, what was what was travis's journey to to that point? How did he end up in the marines. Well, my dad is a retired Marine Corps Colonel, so we were born into a military family and. But never was my dad pushing my brother to to serve in the Marine Corps. He actually ended up choosing to go to the naval academy for college. So we knew as soon as he left for college that he would be serving military in some capacity. And what was it that he entered the naval academy? Ninety nine. He graduated from high school. Okay, so so nine eleven happens while he's at the naval academy, right? So he enters the naval Kadhamy and again, you know, growing up in a military family. My dad never deployed during my entire life growing up. I never had that sense of worry or fear while he was serving in the military. It actually wasn't until September eleven that all the sudden I looked at. I was in college at the time to Travis now, fifteen months apart. And I remember that morning. I was asleep and I was woken up by my mom and my dad was still reserves at the time stationed at the Pentagon, and he was actually working for Johnson and Johnson and out on a service project and to my mom could not get a hold of him. So she called me hysterical because she had just gotten a call from Travis who says, you know, mom, something's going on in New York. They've put the naval academy and lock down and they actually moved them off the academy grounds. And so you know, my mom's freaking out and I'm watching the TV, and I don't know what to do with myself on. Like, I guess I'm just gonna go to class. So I go to my English class that day and my teacher never forget. My professor says, listen in light of what's happening and still at that when I left for class, neither tower had collapsed, but both have been hit and they knew it was a terrorist attack. They were already saying that. So he said, pull out a piece of paper and a pen and just write down what you're feeling right now. And I actually just found that piece of paper just a couple years ago, and I had written on that piece of paper for the first time in my life. I'm scared of the fact that my dad is in the military and that my brother's going to be going into the military and I had written, I hope this what happ what's happening today does not result in war and that my my dad or brother will end up having to go into a war zone. And that's exactly what happened. But he ended up at the naval academy. And then again chose the Marine Corps. Not surprisingly. Went graduate in two thousand and floor. Four did his first deployment to Iraq right away in two thousand and five. And where was he in two thousand and five to Iraq? You said, I'm sorry, he was in Iraq. Yeah. Okay. So things were pretty things are pretty heated in Iraq back in two thousand five? Yes. And then, yeah, then it's tough time in between? No. In between those that first deployment, then he came home from that deployment and was he just on leave that he wound up going to New York City and just thought he'd visit and he was on leave and he, he had a very small window between when he got back to when he was going again, because he joined actually up a military transition team called mid team, right? So he was pooled to join this mid team, one of twelve other marines that would be helping to train the Iraqi army. And so he was stationed in Pendleton out in California. So Travis was back from Pendleton and came back to the east coast and he wanted to make sure that he did a few things. That was on his bucket list. I'm going to get up to New York. I wanna make sure I spent some time with the firefighters in New York and other things on his bucket list where I'm going to Philadelphia Eagles game Super Bowl, champs. Yeah, but those were two of the main things that he wanted to do in that short window. Thou, he took a trip up to York, and when he came back from that trip to New York, he went to my dad. He actually went to my dad and and you know, it's interesting because Tim's recollection of that time was like, hey, it was another couple of people that case a couple of guys. Yeah, but Travis came back like, hey, so amazing. We met this, the firefighters. This guy was a marine. He fed us. He took care of us. Their operations are mazing. We got to thank him. Oh, by the way, dad look at this Hattie gave me and he gave the hat in my dad. And on the back, the hat said, nine, eleven, never forget. And he said, dad, dad, hold onto this hat. Why? While I'm gone and my dad had it hanging right in our Jim in at my parents house while my my brother was deployed. So and then your brother deployed again, he deploys again the day after Christmas in two thousand and six, and and then on April twenty nine, two thousand seven. We get a knock on our door that he's been killed by enemy sniper while in Iraq. And you know it was. I hope it will be the toughest day of our life, but it was. It was a tragic day in one, I'll never forget. Obviously, never wanna, forget his memory. So from that day forward, how did you develop the foundation? What were the steps in between that day and then the Travis Manion foundation starting, you know, I often say like, I think the Travis Manion foundation was born the day that he passed because I remember after the initial shock and just like Nadi be able to comprehend like, oh my gosh, she's gone. It was the day of Travis general few days later. My dad pulled my mom and I into their bedroom, and he said, listen, you know, this is the toughest thing where ever going to have to go through and we've lost, you know, the rock of our family, but we have to continue to move forward and not only. Continue travis's legacy, but the legacy of all these men and women who have given their lives in service to this country. And so we made a commitment in that bedroom before we stepped out to go to that we were going to do something and. At the time in two thousand seven, believe it or not go fund me was not around. There were no online giving portals. Our parents friends had actually gone down to the local Bank and they set up a Bank account. And in the newspaper, it said, you know, in lieu of donate or Lua flowers, please send donations to the first Lieutenant Travis Manion memorial fund. And we found ourselves about three weeks after travis's death. When we were kind of like picking up the pieces what happens now, we went down to the Bank and we had several hundred thousand dollars and a man like, wow, okay, this is the start of it and we just hit the ground running from there. And I think that's a testament to I've heard so many stories about him to testament to who he was as a person who apps I was telling them I'm from Chester county than lived in Delaware. But my last name also Manion I have. I have an extra end, but when I was in the Marine Corps, several times people came up to me. I was in from two thousand eight to twenty twelve. But several times marines came up to me and said, did you are you related to Travis? And I didn't know who Travis was. So I finally googled it. I googled who is who is Travis Manion and I read it and I was like, oh, a marine who is way better than me. It's crazy transcend. I mean, obviously the Maria is the smaller, you know, one of the branches, but for him to transcend the Marine Corps for people that know that name really is truly remarkable and whoever asked me always seemed like, are you? They always seemed like, and then they would always tell me how great he was. It was people who just happen to have known him. Usually it was off, but you could tell that they really admired him so that every time I see the Travis Manion foundation out somewhere. I always feel like this little. I don't know. I've always been rooting for it. Fan, so there somewhere? Yeah, silver the second out when we came over from Ireland. Yeah. So. Oh brother. Going on the fact that your brother was so remarkable. There was a book written about him that profiled him and another gentleman and what was that book. So my dad ended up writing a book called brothers forever. Travis was killed in two thousand and seven, and then. In September of two thousand and ten travis's best friend and roommate at the naval academy, Brendan looney, who was a navy seal was killed in Afghanistan and Travis and Brennan are buried next to each other in Arlington. Well, and my dad felt that it was really important to share their story not just to share Travis and Brennan story, but to share their stories, a representation of what this generation of men and women who have stepped up to serve represents and wrote that book and and it got great reviews and hit a bunch of bestseller lists and kind of worked its way not just around the military community, but around the civilian community as well as a really testament to leadership and service and so much so that it got all it's got its way to the firefighter community as well. And that's where we pick up the story with Tim again and Tim, how did you find this book? And where do we go from there? Well, what happens is the my friend, Steve Elliot, and I Steve's a former marine. We would trade books back and forth. I read a book, I'd give it to him, he'd readable. So under he came and gave me this book and he says, you should read this book Clinton side, note proof that marines read. There weren't. We can exist. So Steve gives me the book brothers forever, and I was actually reading it. I was jogging on the treadmill at the gym as I'm reading the book. And one of the things that Colonel Manion had done in the book was he actually talked about travis's visit prior to a second deployment to rescue one. And in the book talks about that a former marine. Gave him the tour and you know the story as it goes as I'm Rena I nearly fell off the treadmill because I go. I remember that night. I was barking yeah. You know they're talking about me. So I call Steve and I said, I'm in the book. He goes, what are you talking about? You're not. In that I said, remember the part where talking about the former, he goes only got it. Is you. And I told my wife and she's like, I remember you telling me about two marines visiting you at the firehouse. So what ends up. I read the book and I was to find out that you know Travis, Brandon had. Had been killed, and I was like, holy, I met this guy. Yeah. So at the back of the book, it says for more information, visit the Travis Manion foundation website. I go on the website and I kind of expecting. I hear about all these different foundations and you think it's, you know, they have a golf outing every year they give thousand bucks to some college kid going off to college, and that's pretty much a lot of these foundations. But then when I realized what this foundation had become very, very impressed with what they had done in about not quite ten years. And what I did was I had contact us. I sent them an Email and I said, you know, to concern, my name is Tim Sullivan on the former marine that was working when Travis came to visit rescue one. And I said, I'm not some nut job. I really am the guy and I, what I do is I talked about remember what I remember Travis, but I talked about what I remembered of the friend that was with him. And I said, you know, I remember this guy. He was a helicopter pilot and to kind of prove myself crazy loon trying to give them a hard time. Right? And I said, look, I just want to express my condolences. I did not know until just now in early twenty fifteen that Travis had been killed. I'm express my condolences. So about a month goes by and I don't hear anything. So I kind of figured off into the nother world and then Colonel Manion received Email back from Colonel Manion. And he says, dear tame, we've always wondered who you are. You know, it'd be great. I'd love to sit down with you and have a beer someday. And my reaction was, well, I like beer. Reaction. I'd love to sit down and have a beer with you also. And then we look into it and it turns out there's a there is a golf outing every year for the foundation, it's around the anniversary of travis's death of usually the last Monday in April or so and Steve Elliot, and I decide we're going to, we'll go down and we'll play golfing will donate to the cause. And when we went down to the Gulf outing, we decided we were going to pay our respects from not just from us, but also from the fire department. Stephen IRA both members of the VFW post. So we came down and we actually the the fire helmet that you see there. Ryan is, is that one of the gifts that we presented to the foundation and the forty four stands for the forty, four, New York City firefighters who were killed an active military service over the core of the history of New York City fire department. So that's what we presented to them and ever since that day. The foundation has brought myself into brought me into their their activities. I've become more involved Ryan and I have become friends and they have been nothing, but gracious to me. They actually explained to me that at one point and Ryan could probably touch on this a little bit better. But I won't point. They actually came to New York to try and find me. Before the book before, while Brian can probably tell this. What was that? What was that like to you? Knew about this gentleman, but you didn't know who he was? Yeah. So you know, right after Travis was killed. I think it was. It was probably less than a year later. My dad said, I want to go to rescue one because it had been such an impactful trip for Travis. We went up to rescue one. We actually had a friend who was a marine who was a firefighter, not that didn't serve rescue one, but had some connections there. So he got us to visit up there. We went up. I took my my husband, my mom, dad, and my youngest daughter, we showed up there and they were incredibly gracious, but we could tell none of them had been the firefighters that had been with Travis. They were like. They were like, oh, I think we remember him, you know? But you know, like, but it it still for me walking away. I was like, well, that was special just to see. I mean, I don't know one, but it's incredible. And there's just something so special about it. And so we left there with that fast forward after meeting in actually getting to meet Tim and being like, this is the guy. Yeah. Well, let's let's rewind. Just a second. What was it like on your urine for you and your father went Tim, sends that Email? What was the reaction? Well, so that came into our general mailbox and I remember our office manager was like orated this to to my dad and I and and just like Tim thought like they thought I was some wacko humans life. I'm not sure if this is legit. And we read it and my dad's like, no. I mean, he knows that Steve's helicopter pilot like this must be the guy, but and true. You know Colonel Manion Marine Corps fashioned kind of sat on it for a little. And how he was going to respond. And then you know, I mean, it was instantaneous once we connected with him and he came to town right away. It wasn't. I knew right away when he came that it wasn't like, hi, we're gonna spend the day with him and that'll be it. You know, there was going to be a friendship there that would continue on and surely has. That's the main thing just grates toy to such a good story and the Travis Manion foundation, the if not me then who, and you. There's so many different avenues that you've taken in that approach. I know one is in small community projects and fixing another is this year. It was a trip to Alaska for gold star families to connect with each other and to do service projects for other people. And there's so many different things at the foundation does. Can you just give a quick overview of of what is? Yes. So our goal at at the foundation is to play a role in. Strengthening America's national character. And we truly believe that our men and women who serve in uniform or the catalyst to make that change. And we wanna make sure that we're giving men women who take off the uniform in opportunity to continue their service right here at home. So we're doing everything from we have over a thousand trained post nine, eleven veterans that are out there, teaching character education to our nation's youth. We presented character education over two hundred fifty thousand students across the country. We run our operation legacy service projects twice a year where we execute hundreds of service projects across the country, and and that's what it's all about. It's one community at a time. I'm making sure that we are leveraging the skills and assets of our men and women in uniform when they're coming home saying, hey, you know, they take off the uniform, but they are still incredible assets to your community. So we want to give them the opportunity to do that and. And beyond that, we also want to make sure that we become a catalyst for change on how we can bridge that civilian military divide. Right? So we just just finishing up our nine eleven heroes runs. These are five k. runs across the country during the month of September. We still have our our New York one in October, seventh, but we'll execute sixty eight runs over the course of this month and bring out about sixty thousand people. And you think about this idea that Tim son was born two weeks after September. Eleventh. He seventeen years old. Now, like when you think about September, eleventh, that's our Pearl Harbor, right? Like each and every one of us know where we were on September eleventh, but we need to make sure that these young kids that are coming up, understand the significance of how that changed the course of our history and importance that that remains within our history. And you think about that sense of unity, we. Had when President Bush stood on that pile of rubble and how our country was so connected at that time. And it took a terrible tragedy like that for us to get to that place would how can we bring back that sense of unity, unity to a country that is so divisive and divided right now. And that's the end of the day what we're trying to do. Right. I mean, and as you mentioned, I mean, seems like now more than ever. We need folks like you guys to to bridge that gap. Maybe not necessarily just between the military and civilians, but just everyone in general. Just bring us back together. Is that for the goals and the steps going forward for the Travis Manion foundation? What do you see as the near future holds for you guys? I think for us, we wanna keep can keep growing our base. We've got over one hundred thousand members across the country and these there's only a fraction of those that represent. Veterans, right? We think we serve about sixteen thousand veterans year, but the rest of our membership. These are just what we call inspired civilians, men and women who who are saying like, hey, I want to get involved. I wanna be part of the process. I wanna do a community project service project in my backyard. I wanna be working with kids and teaching them about service and leadership, and we wanna keep growing that and it's just we want to. We want to make our way into more regions and just keep getting the word out about this idea of how each and every one of us getting back to. It can take those five words if not me then who those are the five words, my brother spoke before leaving for a second deployment at that Philadelphia Eagles game, my husband, you know, joked about pushing him down the stairs. And he said, oh, you know, if I kick you down the stairs, maybe you'll break your ankle and you won't have to go back. And my brother turned to my husband and said, you know what? If I don't go back, some much less prepared is gonna go my place. If not me then who. Well, that those five words that night, but he lived by them each and every day. So how can we take those five words and compel each and every American to have those? If not me then who moments each and every day and so. Awesome. Where can they go to people who are listening? Where can they go to check this out, learn more and participate. They can go to Travis Manion dot org to our website. They can find us on Twitter at TM foundation on Facebook on Instagram, all our social media platforms, but go to our website, sign up, become a member and get involved in your community to sue. Great. Yeah, really is a tremendous thing that's going on and like, like Ryan said Sunday, October, seventh is the New York City. Nine. Eleven heroes run. Yeah, I've participated in the last couple. I've also participated in the Travis and Brandon marathon team. I've run the less to Marine Corps marathons in Washington DC representing the. Foundation, and I've also become one of the character does matter shockers for the foundation. So it really is a tremendous thing that's going on in the if not me then who movement. And I've said this before is each individual has a chance hasn't at one point in their lives had that if not me then who moment, right, you know and it doesn't have to be, you know, something profound. It's at that moment. And I say usually at adversity, you know, if not me then who I talk about on nine eleven the three hundred forty three firefighters. The twenty three New York City police officers. Thirty seven port authority, police officers, and the thousands of civilians who were trying to help each other right in those towers. It was there if not me then who moment on that day. I've looked back through the foundation and I've said you at what point of I had my own, if not me then who moments. And so I think this resonates with the with. The people throughout the country resonates with me resonates, and it goes to what the national character Ryan talks about when we were United on that day after nine, eleven, and would like to get back to that and everything that's crazy right now in our country. I think we need to, you know, everybody needs to say, won't if not me, then he'll what can I do to make this a better place. Right? And I think Ryan in the foundation are doing a tremendous job of China, get the spread the word and get this country United again, that is very noble noble mission. So we appreciate both of. Yeah, joining us, Tim. Thank you for your service to our country to your for your service to the city of New York, Ryan. Thank you for working with your family to start the Travis Manion foundation and a big. Thank you to your brother for his sacrifice and all the good that he imparted on this world before he left it. So, yeah, here thinking what a testament Travis and who. He was a person not just incredible, and and also quick shout out to the FBI who has always been such a huge supporter of the troops and vice versa. But I always thought that was such an incredible relationship. And I feel like this story kind of a pit him is, is it for me? I just think it's incredible. So yeah, Tim, Ryan, thank you so much for joining us today. Can I keep making a difference? What go ahead to tell you one last one last thing totally off topic, but you know, Tim, Tim, and did the today show on September. Eleven. You know, I leave for New York and I tell my twelve year old daughter. I'm heading up to New York to do the today show and she's like, I mean, she could care less. I'm looking at my calendar said, oh, I've got, I'm talking my husband. Oh, I've got a interview with barstool sports. Are you kidding. Really. Just open your street cred. The twelve year olds. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thanks everybody from the Travis Manion foundation for coming on the show. We really appreciate them taking the time, and that was also brought to you by our friends at four hymns four hymns. We're talking builders again folks. You know, we're talking Boehner's. We're not talking about me snake oils or anything like that. 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Slash zero floor hymns dot com. Slash zero. They are nationwide on the radio with our boy KFC. Anytime even from listening to local radio at your KFC's voice in, it throws me for a loop with this name Tonio and I'm like, wait, did I connect my phone's like listen to note? Nope, just KFC don't thing for him dot com. Slash zero talking about l. time just a touch on the interview. Just talk about all time. Small world type story, right crazy that they all came back together and connected. And that's one of the things that I love best about the military is that there is this bond that you don't even have to know the other person. Like when I was in the waiting room with via the of the day, I see a guy marine hat. We have something to talk about right away, and even if he's from a different word era, whatever, and that this Gulf war marine meets this Iraq marine in New York City and look at what that led to. So I just thought that was such an incredible story just really cool. It was that is what's not cool trying to kill mad dog another got an opponent of Vic with the navy. Yeah, we're back to. We're back to talking crap about the, you know when something happens in the news but like government or military related and somebody did something bad. Do you ever get this mantra in my head, please don't be a veteran police. Don't be a veteran, please don't be veteran. Well, it was a veteran, a navy vet from Utah, invest descending, four envelopes containing the substance from which rice in is derived to President Donald Trump and top military leaders including mad dog. The documents filed Wednesday night and Utah court say thirty nine year old, William CLYDE Allan. The third, we could've just that name. Exactly. Yeah, William Claude down the third. I think that they could be like, dude, you had no choice. If your name is three first names and then a number you probably gonna mail. Reisen definitely. I don't know, but don't go on with the story to like. I think there's one part of this story that really sticks out to made that shows that we might need to bump up aspect requirement. All right. So thirty, nine year old, William Claude Allen the third confessed to investigators after his arrest at his house in the small city of Logan, Salt Lake City documents, file to justify Allen's arrests did not state a motive, but state investigators working with the FBI say, envelopes remained last week to the president FBI director Christopher ri- Ray w. r. a. y. whatever that is Defense, Secretary, Jim Madison, the navy's top officer Admiral, John Richardson, the letters were intercepted and all tested positive. No attorney's been listed. What about that stuck out to you? There's one part in that particular news article that you read that omitted. Probably the biggest information that shows this guy a fucking dummy. That part is that he mailed them with the return address to his fucking house. Wow. Like, how do you do that? Well, way waiting get this biological chemical weapon and you just drop it in a blue box, dude. I mean, I'm not actually strike that reverse it. We're not a pro. Not at all, but what did you think? Oh, this doesn't get them at us. I hope it comes back to me what's what's the end game there for putting that return address? Just not thinking, well, he's smiling and his mugshot. So maybe he's like, that's right. It was me navy. Ingenuity, go navy. Anything like I, I don't get that like down. You're gonna go to jail for the rest of your life. You're gonna prison for Russia life. You try to kill the Defense Secretary chaper stage. If someone puts the return address on poison, do you think they're thinking that far ahead. No, I don't think he's thinking at all. No, I don't think thing is at all, but what a story? Yeah, it's been awhile since we've had a good ole letter scared. Yeah, they're bringing him back. He, I don't say glad because I think they try to kill him. I say grab because it really gives my boys that are working boys and girls who are working the canine beat a little bit more job security. Definite right. And just a quick background to he enlisted in October of ninety eight and left in October of two thousand two at the rank of e too. So that that tells you a lot right there. Yeah, he was a damage, control fireman, apprentice. That's what he did. He was on a supply ship support ship in Detroit, but that's it. Yeah, it's a, I think those people are the ones that do like if they, if there's a aircraft that goes down on the flight line. Right? Okay. Out rollback. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Fellow interesting. Shifting gears to the army though little zero blog Hisham found this to be interesting. There was a gentleman. He was a holocaust survivor and it's going to be away. Can we give spoiler this going to be a really positive thing now because you got fat famed dump shamed earlier in the show. Yes, output. Well, it's just going to speak to what a, what a rest of man and the life you lead. Boca. There's gentleman Sydney, I, I hope I don't pronounce this wrong. Shush. Now he was a holocaust survivor and he ultimately came to United States, enlisted in the army reached the rank of Major General served in Vietnam in. He was in special forces for over thirty years. And it was just us. He was known as being a really, really tough guy. I just thought that was interesting to survive the on life. Yeah. And then to bounce back from the holocaust, I almost wonder, are you almost too young to be affected by because I think most people who probably survived the holocaust, obviously we're very scarred. So do then survive that as a young child to then go complete opposite direction and reached the rank of Major General is truly impressive. I thought, oh yeah, there's a lot of people not a lot. I feel like that that is a rarity, but who have had face really difficult things and come out on time and that's super impressive. That's that's really something actually in the his memoir he, he did say, I developed an instinct for survival. Yeah, which is a horrible way to develop an instinct for survival, but kudos to him for surviving. And then when you get out of great concentration camp by our like escaping the holocaust, I imagine it gives you a huge sense of devotion to servicemen immigration for freedom fighting for that. Makes complete sense. In my mind, I hate to say this a very small part of me when you started talking had a tone to it was like, oh my God, please don't turn this into an Ed. Oh, no. Great motors. I started to get that nervous feeling all right, but I have. I wouldn't do that basically like. If you're if you're going to get a job like after doing something like that, I think like going into the army and being a Major General going to do that. 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Like I guess there should be like more white around the brakes like cell starting to his, not really seeing that you've been taking it easy. I'm went through like a Rolodex in my head of like the Starbucks trip getting by dog surfing like working out with with NFL players. Yeah, indoor skydiving. That's taking it easy. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally more calcium. He's like not how that works. Drinking more milk. Yeah. So for three hours, when you say something like that, I'll eat more calcium and somebody who actually knows about science. That doesn't really. I was like, okay, if you did this check in just making sure. But yeah. All right. Come back eight weeks. So I was like, that was worth three hours. So that was cool. All right. That's it for me. Yeah, get comfortable. I've got a few one chaps and Kate. We posted on our Instagram page. If you're not on Instagram page, it's awesome. Zero bug thirty on Instagram. We posted a picture of a gentleman in civilian clothes, driving a humvee, and I thought that's probably really great to drive a home v. once you're out of the military, because when you're in the military and your driving home v, you got your full kit. You at least got a kevlar on. It's not really fun. It would probably be fun to drive a humvee when you could just drive around and have fun. No, you would think so, but I have an f. to fifty. Yeah, in parking is a bitch. Okay. Still. So I, I always I love having my trap when something comes up, like I have to a bunch of rocks around my house at two new Saad. I have to bring things around like take stuff to the dump. But other than that, it's a pain in the ass man. The Bill for trucks anymore. It's not. It's not built for a h one for sure. Fun though to just go cruising around cruising without a kevlar on without a smoking a cigarette, doing all the things not supposed to on my cell phone do everything. I'd be taxing. You know, I would kill for one of the World War Two era GPS with the top saw windshield that folds down. Yep, that'd be the ones that are painted. Really nice. That's more modern has the nice leather seats in it and stuff like that. I would kill driver also have three very slick, very hot nineteen. Forties. She is in the back of. Yeah, crush it. Go with. I couldn't think of that. But yes, that's in my mind next up, Kate and I are in our first fight because Kate for on at some unexplainable reason, things cheese, cheese steaks are better than pizza. It's true. Why explain. You know, gritty was up here. He went on that pizza review, Dave, and he trolled the fuck Dave. He they've handed slice of pizza, gritty slapped it upside down on the sidewalk, and then he pulled out a cheese steaks, better sign. And I said, yeah, got us support the 'cause there's nothing better when you are super, super hungry. Nothing better than a good cheese, steak, cheese, steaming, hot with ketchup. I love cheesecake, but I just don't think it's on the same level. You're not invited to my birthday anymore and you're not invited thanksgiving. That's that apps that you have to pick between the two of us, no pressure. I don't wanna hang out guys. Two more. That means he picked me. Roughly. Don around gammy roll around a ground. Frank, allergic to me to that great. We'll come back later. Check on you. Oli Schweik worked.

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1217: How I Stopped Excessive Gifting by Tim Sullivan with Get Rich Slowly on Spending Money & Relationships

Optimal Finance Daily

08:24 min | 2 months ago

1217: How I Stopped Excessive Gifting by Tim Sullivan with Get Rich Slowly on Spending Money & Relationships

"Real quick, we recommend listening to this show on spotify where you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free without a premium account, spotify has a huge catalog of podcasts on every imaginable topic, plus you can follow your favorite podcasts, said never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to off lime, wherever and whenever and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on, instagram, so if you haven't done so all right, be sure to download the spotify APP search for optimal finance daily on spotify or browse podcasts in the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow me, so you never miss an episode of optimal finance daily. This is optimal finance daily episode twelve seventeen, how I stopped excessive gifting by Tim Sullivan with, get rich slowly, dot org, and welcome back to optimal finance, daily or welcome for the first time. If you're discovering US I'm Dan, I'm your host and narrator of some of the best blogs on personal finance, and we've got lots more content that we narrate to you for free as well On our other shows, including optimal living daily, which covers personal development minimalism, and much much more of got a bunch of episodes there you can check out, so check out all our shows wherever you're hearing this podcast by searching for optimal living daily. Since. You're here and you want to hear about finance. Let's get right to it as we start optimizing your life. How stopped excessive gifting by Tim Sullivan with get rich slowly dot org. Most of US struggle with some psychological aspect of money that can impede our savings whether it be the lure of clothing stores nights out with friends or stocking top shelf liquor cabinet. There tends to be one thing or another that creeps from our once category into our needs. I've never been a compulsive. And always preferred voluntary simplicity both in the kitchen and in my closet. This means that for most of my young adult life. I had good control of my finances. Then I started dating dating quickly made gift giving my Achilles heel as with other debt inducing habits. It seemed harmless first. Here are some things I started doing not realizing how much money I was shelling out. I never liked to show up at my girlfriend's apartment empty-handed so I always had her favorite snapple or a magazine for her in hand six bucks just to say hello. I always wanted to pick up the check even when we were out with a friend or two could be upwards of a hundred dollars just to show I cared. I brought expensive bottles of wine to dinner parties, not to show off, but just to enjoy with everyone. Even if I was just as happy with a seven dollar bottle myself. Twenty five dollars to try to find community. I was sent to the store to get simple baking supplies, but instead of getting the normal vanilla extract I will get the fancy packaged one for twice the price. Take that philosophy down the entire list of supplies and I'd write up a pretty hefty bill. Fifty dollars extra just so we can feel high society together. It was never about seeming rich to my friends or girlfriend I took pride in my penny pinching in every other aspect of my life I. Honestly thought it was about generosity and showing affection nothing more. My usual smart budgeting was out the door. If it began with my dating life. It quickly found its way into all my close friendships and relationships. If I were booking a hotel room for myself. I would find some side of the road motel for thirty five dollars. If it was for my parents I, charge a much fancier three hundred dollar room to my card. I wanted them to be comfortable, right? I should note that my parents honeymoon was a nine month camping trip in a VW bug across the United States. They've grown up some since their sixties hippie days, but not all that much. Technically I could afford it. I just wouldn't contribute very much to savings that month. As the gift became larger and more elaborate. My savings account stagnated. The want of purchasing gifts found its way into my budget as a need. Providing the important stuff. If I look deep enough. I know that I have an ingrained desire to be the provider in my relationships, I was stuck in fifties, mentality of the man as the breadwinner and thinking that gift giving was my only way of showing financial muscle, never wanted to buy the affection of my friends, but I got caught in a trap, thinking that financial security was the most important thing I could provide I ignored all the other myriad ways of affection, whether it be kind words, acts of service, spending, quality, time, or even a big hug. I try to spending freeze on gift giving and decided to come up with something different whenever I got the urge to spend for someone else. The experiment led to the following new behaviors. I accepted that showing up at her front door was hello enough and I realized a smile and being genuinely happy to see. Someone went further than I'd ever expect. I learned the Fine Art of the potluck dinner and saw that people got so much joy just from sharing what they love to make in the kitchen. And a dinner party brought apples to apples. It was appropriate for the crowd. Probably more appropriate than the bottle of wine would have brought, and if you've never played it, it's the best thing ever to bring a group a little closer, and instead of worrying about how fancy the baking supplies looked I joined her in the kitchen i. never realized how much raw dough the woman could eat. I joked that it was a truer way to her heart. Ignoring these other ways of showing love had been getting in the way of my friendships and relationships. I learned so much more about the people around me, and everyone seemed to enjoy themselves when I stopped worrying about how much they were enjoying themselves. Tracking, spending. Since identified the underlying cause of my stagnating savings account. I could go about fixing it. I started tracking the dollars that left my bank account each month, and realize just how much was going to small gifts. Paying for gas for my girlfriend's SUV was an incredibly friendly just, but it hurt in the long run. This isn't to say. I needed to stop with my generosity, but tracking my spending allowed me to create a column just for gift, giving it stopped being a mindless act, and became more a conscious decision, which in turn provided me with more joy in the activity. This way I was giving something from my daily life to be generous toward others, which to me seems a much truer definition of generosity. Virtues in excess. We usually think about our financial trolls, being negative something like greed leads us to live in excess buying new shoes or the new electric. It's easy to blame. It's much harder to point your finger at a problem that seems virtuous. I started to see that I wasn't alone. My friend Tracy spends almost all of her disposable income, spoiling her kid and yet complains about the holes in her own shoes. I had a family member. Almost go broke donating to the Doctors Without Borders. Such gifts of charity are easier to rationalize. They seem so nice even if they're ruining your financial situation. It's never easy to change patterns especially when the conditions of not only yourself but of others are involved as always. It's important to be honest with yourself and communicative with those around you I still have to remind myself that if someone is going to break up with me because I don't bring snapple to her door each time I show up I could probably do without the relationship I. Bring Myself and that's just fine. You just listened to the post titled how. I stopped excessive. Gifting by Tim Sullivan with. Get rich slowly dot org. And Real quick thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you, so it can be heard everywhere. spotify apple podcast Google podcasts, and anymore you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast, so it sounds great, download the anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. And that'll do it for today and another installment of optimal finance daily hope you're having a happy Thursday. Thanks so much for being here with me today in every day, and I'll see you back here tomorrow for the Friday show where your optimal life awaits.

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Episode 8: Positive Vibes

The FCMFIT Podcast

43:37 min | 5 months ago

Episode 8: Positive Vibes

"The Jinyu Hello. Welcome to the fifth pocus Jimmy and Flavia in this week's show we talk about. How important exercises? Especially at times like these. The nutrition we talk about how food shortages Bouche your creativity in life. We took six ways to help you talk behaviorist nutrition. Well here. We are another week in lockdown. Absolutely yes still here just. It's such an odd time but we are making the most of it you know. We're trying to make the best of our way because we the last podcast we did was pretty pretty heavy. I listened to all you know. We were very deep. We were trying to rewrite the world and do all those things but I think ultimately the thing to do at the moment is to remain positive. I know it's a kind of a common saying that's remain positive. But it's a fact and I think with lots of difficulties that people may be having at the moment whether it be through the work or family in lockdown food shortages. All just just various different things you know. We have to try and look at the good things that can come from this whole time. Absolutely I think you know we were saying the other day. We quite lucky here where we are small village. Everybody's been very sensible whistle able to do our dog walk one. Maybe two at the very most Bush if we push but we try to stick to one. I mean we. Normally two three dog walks a day. So obviously that's a bit unfair so we're trying to tell that but everybody is abiding by the rules and and getting on trying to get on his best. I can say is. I've never seen so many people walking outside before we walk a lot. But you know it's amazing you know. These people have never seen walking around. Yeah family's going on walks. I mean we've been here for six years and there are some Celis new faces that have appeared who are subtly doing their power walks. And it's a great thing actually to see that in the sense that you think the importance of exercise it's even being advised by the government even though there is a pandemic the one thing you can do is go out. Exercises walks book was about and is about. You know a whole basis that it's exercise nutrition. Well and you know that that's important. Whatever it doesn't it shouldn't really needs to take a pandemic to realize exactly. Is the key things in life. If you invested it will pay you by and you will hopefully have happy about better life so is actually talking about good things that have a situation like this. He actually looks like maybe lots of people. Out there. Valuing being outdoors valuing the fact that they need to exercise. Yeah you said the whole family is you know. I've seen you know parents with two three kids on bikes. Obviously there's less traffic so it's safer so that's quite nice to see and as I said. Many people doing power walks and jogging. That we've not seen before so that is definitely a positive. I just hope that when this is all obviously over and people are better than the lives that they keep that side of their life up because it is very important very easy to put exercise at the bottom of the list of things that you have to be more people. Busy lives the end of the day. I think what happens? Is that you get up in the morning. You go to work do you start you come by you know the last thing people a lot of people want to do is do any more exercise they feel like maybe they have done their exercise for the day so like you said hopefully through this time they can value it might enjoy it. I mean it doesn't even have to be kind of the exercise may be that you know that we do made the excise SEM FITTERS. You know that is kind of Jiming exercising. It can just be actually moving and getting out outdoors I think will say. I hope that they're valuing being outdoors. Stop so whether you're excising walking running whatever you do walk your dog. We've always very much been pro. That that's part of our life. Sectionals phone we we did. Sem Fit there was a whole section life. Because it's what we wanted to put out there. It's really important to get out into the light into the fresh air. So you know that was well. We've noticed like a mass reduction in noise pollution. Which for me is absolutely incredible. If you can sit there you can peacefully think and you have got lorries and cars and things zooming past. So that's another thing so we're onto another thing which is a positive thing about this whole situation is that that is. It's like every day. We go out the lost damning where we where we live. Sunday afternoon Sunday early evening. Such especially in the summer it would be pretty quiet but every day is pretty. Yeah and there's something quite wonderful about that and someone said the other day so I live in even back in the seventy S. And he's really old fashioned. You know whether it wasn't so much traffic and there wasn't so much noise pollution wasn't only sort of thing. I think you know today. We we live in a very quick world things yesterday and we expect them to be here and now you know communication the way people communicate get information get for me to be and saw of made people against their wishes in a way have to take a step back and listen to me even now. We're in our house but even now you would hear the calls you would here. You know this this time of Day. So there has been a real kind of almost reawakening of of your surroundings. And where you live is it. Sounds you can hear the birds singing obviously spring the birds there so it's lovely to sit in the garden and listen to the birds world on the nose of the traffic. We've seen more light. Bunny rabbits out and about folks is derived appearing catalogue of Kurt so many cats are literally walking down the road and I can see them going. Yeah I like this course. And so he got so we'd never ever encountered My worry for them for the cats. Go back to normal. I think owners need to be very careful because you know they'll will become accustomed to the father. There's not a lot of traffic about and so they are sitting quite happily in the rose on the pavements. And it's very sweet to see that but I do worry about when the traffic comes back. So yeah there's definitely positives so go back to importance of exercise and fitness for people. Are People going out and about? That's right the Miami. Some of you not quite gone off were work from home still needed a motivating about getting up and getting out is really really important. Isn't it to exercise your body every day? Absolutely think the guidelines thirty minutes a day of movement. You've got to get you know the heart pumping you've gotta get the joins move in. You gotta get your ligaments and your muscles moving. You've got a walking is weight bearing exercise you know so even just going for good bruce thirty minute walk every day that. I'm being a lot better than be sitting at home watching TV or on the computer. So you've got little garden if you don't WanNA got backfield worried than even a small garden just walking up and down. You listen to the birds as I said just getting some Russia and as you said weight-bearing especially as we get older really really important because it keeps the bone density high and as we get older. That's what's GonNa degenerate as well as muscles ligaments intended so weight. Bearing exercise is very gate offering this whole time. Oop Go into a bit more during this podcast but you know we should look at this time as being time where we actually find new things maybe revisit things ourselves thing cabal stuff and maybe hopefully when we get through this and get on the other side. We have moved back with us we have. You might backing go. You know what that was crazy time. Lots of really bad stuff happens. Lots of worry lots of anxiety but at the same time I managed to salvage something I wonder. Also you don't a bit more of a spiritual thing. All at my spirituality you know in the universe what you out you get back and I just wanted has as a race. Maybe we all out that that we were getting it was getting too much too fast paced too much going on too much pressure and we were sending that message to the universe to say you know humanity needs to stop. We need to take a chill pill. We need to regroup. We need to go back to basics and so many people were feeling that the universe when they guy this is gonNa feel horrific and horrible but the outcome is actually GonNa be a positive one. Because you're just literally go bang and calm down and take jovial and regroup. So exercise is really important. Obviously nutrition is extremely important is at all times. Okay you know yet. I love food. I've you know Jeff. I love to cook food but I like to cook things not things every so often but the majority of the way. It's it's good healthy food because these are the things that fueling these are things that drive us on in life so at the moment obviously is quite an experience going shopping. I think one time in the week that we both actually go because we live in our only kind of microcosm of a world where we around do our work to our things and you know again. Hopefully you will especially after listening to this. You folks some positive things. You do lots of things to help you through this time. But it's when you go outside the real world and go have to go to a supermarket. You suddenly go right. Yeah there is a similar quote Ryan. Nothing queuing up for a bright alton towers go into science because at the moment is an. It's an interesting one. I mean I. I'm not dual shopping. Generally anyway but I've probably been to the supermarket in the light now more recently more times than having the lawsuit was your shopping of my mom and dad in lockdown but is a pretty surreal. Experience will have to be honest. It's just bring it back to home however again something we make what we keep up majorities on my show. It's quite civilized realized. You know lot. Calmer over the ingredients. That offer is quite interesting. I mean we have a abundances in things the staple things that everyone seems to go forth past arise flower. You know basic things out that and so they've got some interesting brands so you know again you look at this and you kind of think. Well what can I do here? Do I freak out the? I haven't got the things that I'm saying. The ingredients that made me feel safe the rice the pastors all of those things do maybe have a look at what's alternative. I mean it's kind of what we've been saying about food anyway. The healthy swap suicide. If you go for white rice try Kenmore. Try Home your couscous or something like that because the end of the day sister substitute and actually is a healthy Olympics. In a lot of times it can be also a healthier so shoot view so I think now's a good time to actually take that as choosing supermarket. We were there on Monday. And of course usuals were all out but then I walked down the aisle and there was a whole rack of wholemeal whole-wheat discus which is what we have normally. We have only go and try out these new things that we've been saying if they if they I mean we're pretty stocked up for veg- but they haven't got all the vege. Go that ghosts and Tin Veg- you know. Yeah it's not fresh but you know what it's vegetables and it's an it's an asset certain sorts of nutrients get your proteins from beans. Lentils pulses grains presidency. Yeah get a packet of I. You know nuts spring khulumani salads. Bring him on your food. There are lots of ways in which you can. You can actually benefit from having to think out the box. We're great believers in thinking out the box before so now is the time to think out of the box definitely. We Love we love. Tim Sullivan's Tim fish things like that. Now it's give it a go absolutely it? Also you know. There's a lot of parents with kids at home Trying to find things to do so. Try some healthy recipes. Get Ingredients You know if we've got some fantastic recipes also got some really fun healthier snack options energy off and flap jacks and things like that but made with so with dates and nuts and things like that. So it's a great time for kids to maybe learn a little bit how to cook out to healthy no. That's a really great thing for them to be doing rather than just making chocolate cakes. Well the the chocolate cakes of course not everyday chocolate cake but seriously no to go back to your point. Yeah there's a great time he's great to with the family. I mean you know Gallo to stuffing troy something you yes the same thing with exercise. I find you know we say in the gym this morning and he's rid with exercise because a lot of people get a bit kind of the motivation. I the the the most thing that I hear with people is I wanted to just. I need motivation. I I find it difficult to be motivated. You know and I get it. I get it because motivation is linked to endorphins. Linked to the brain is linked to how you mind works. I had this morning and I was in. We were in the gym this morning. Always really good session. And we've back on mixed phase week is awesome and it was great using different tempos in dumbbells and stuff and yeah yeah. She's great but tomorrow if I was too busy and we've got to get in my brain would probably got. She got run. You get a main changes very quickly so I understand. This is the same food as I said. You know you can go. Simple options is almost like comfort food familiarity but think out the box and try new things because it is definitely worth. You had did a good thing. We did what we did a good thing with food in the family. Yes this is a really good tip. I mean I'm sure people have come up with it ready but I'm the youngest of six so we have a what's up group. I'm sure lots of families do to keep in touch especially during these times when obviously Easter. You know we don't see each other and all of this so we set up. What's out good years ago and my brothers suggested that we do food competition so we decided to make to rally which is like a really nice Italian snack. He's like a dry hard bread Round shape that you have is low nibble rarely with an apparent or something and so we decided that we're going to do to rally each family would make the Torelli we will take photographs and then My brother WHO's in Italy. He wasn't doing the the rest of because he he couldn't do. It was going to judge the competition and the winners decide the next food challenge and it was really fun. Everybody did that rally. They set little videos of them. Make the dough and then the the end product is well and then obviously it was judged my mom and dad one of course we are also very tasting and it was just a really nice thing to do because you know gives you something to Jay z somebody to ban to interact with the family. That obviously you know takes your mind the fact that you caught me me up for Easter and things like that and I thought it would be asked to share with with some of you know if you've got what's out groups or facebook or whatever it is All of these ways that we keep in touch with people. It's a really nice and today we did a post maybe last week this way. I CAN'T REMEMBER. It was not that long ago it was six ways to help you remain positive during this time. Yeah and they were like six things that we picked. It would help people who who finding you know lockdown or whatever you WanNa call it difficult and the first on the list apartment stay connected so that is exactly plays into that because it's in in this day and age you know with technology with the way that we interact with all of these things is very easy to stay connected and actually you know you contend to with families and stuff like that maybe you speak on the phone maybe go and see each other as often maybe start trying to maybe gain skype maybe do facetime or whatever you know and use each other that way play games in today. I got an invite to a virtual problem for tell you that a lot of CR- friends go in the living room and chat line or in the pub. I mean this is the least expert never of happened. Nice things never happened. So you stay connected is really important. Do not isolate. Even though we are technically in a self-isolation do not isolate yourself in the world. Use Technology to your advantage in this day and age because it is out there so use it. The second thing on that list was exercise Leach. We've kind of covered. We've we've covered you know there's lots of. We've covered the importance of exercise. There is also obviously lots of tools out there. There's no excuses anymore. I mean aside from sem fear of course which has the systematic exercise program that we've designed and Flavia take three month program plus with a lot of classes that were doing which is a new thing is why there isn't it because you've actually up those classes from one week to three yet we have yet our. Sem FIT on a Tuesday than we do. Our dance hit on a Thursday. And then we've added the Flavio obviously on Saturday. So yeah three crosses from north to do it now to try motivate people to give our members as much as we possibly. Can they get three classes a week? Plus days that we're not doing his AAC do all the work accounts. We've just updated lizzani recipes. I think for them to try as well so yeah just keeping them going really well. There's lows so the point being. There's no excuses at all anyway. Even if you don't do that and you can go outside or you know YouTube. Whatever is it people doing. There's a lot of resource in actual fact it. Actually you know gyms can be intimidating places then gestured in a way which is not necessarily that friendly for most people so this might be the waiting for people to actually work out from Jose. Think about the time it takes you to get to the gym goes to change you room. Get back in the car drive back home. Petro costs in all of these things. You know into our up you could easily add an extra half hour onto your gym session just to get there and back important thing is if you're gonNA be safe be safe. Be Safe because you know one thing about James is that there is. You can be kind of Safeguard the relevant space to do is make sure suitable place and the right precautions and don't do anything too crazy. That's why we always believe in systematic programs where you grow and follow through rather than jumping into a hit workout. If you haven't been to the gym talks next on the list. Eat eating well. We've covered that was well. Yeah going no excuses. You got those three things fitness nutrition and wellbeing these your petrol pumps of life. You keep these top fuel. Then you're going to be a lot happier is like now. You know I think about everything that's going on and that's why we get up good morning. We have good breakfast. We go for war and we do our work out. We'll go to the gym. Or whatever is we do at how we cover those aspects and invariably those three aspects make feel where absolutely you take those away without you go. What would you do most people kind of think about? Why do I feel depressed? Feel this why do I feel that? Well I said work on those fundamental will happen you roof over. Yeah so eating. Well is definitely definitely definitely high on that list and as we've discussed before there's no excuses about eating. Well you know. We tend to now talk about this last night. You know load of really nice vegetables and we get protein. Go with it and we just. It's just the talent is making vegetate. Nice talent are you just gotta every day come up with some different something new but you know you can eat as much vegetables as you should is. You can say like more colorful the plight the better yep absolutely true and cry like creating a painting of nutrition so food food. Food's really important next on this meditate meditation. Now your big believer meditation. We we need to. Just tell me what meditation does view. Though I think it's it's time out for your brain is the simplest way to think about it. So we as we found that we have sixty to eighty thousand thoughts a day which is an awful lot and I think some of us are more of big thinkers the nowadays. I think I'm a big thing. In the sense stumm constantly my brain's rattling around probably bit light. You know my mom when you can see her thinking when she's not even talking and I think I'm very similar so what I'm doing whatever I'm doing cleaning the whatever walking about my brain is active and it's definitely thinking but you can't really control the thoughts. Some of them might be good. Thought some of them might be bad sought. Some of them might be negative thoughts and their thoughts in your head once when you head during the your conscience and then they go into the universe and all that stuff say is very difficult to control the thoughts that pop into your head so my way of controlling them is to meditate to focus on the voice. I'm hearing the music to relax. You know calm down my breathing. Control my breathing and for me. It just helps me to go through a period of time whether it's a ten minute meditation. Twenty minutes forty five minutes. I know that for that time I can try my best to try and call my brain down and to try to stop it from thinking all my switch we never can and it always tends to drift away but it's just the way for me to yet to stop thinking and I think it's quite healthy thing it's important you talk go onto the vexing wellbeing state of your mind mental health or those things are becoming much more prevalent now. You know we've been talking about this since we started all of this and you feel it becoming more and more and more especially again now. The situation lots of people are home. Lots of families together. Lots of stuff going on. You know you'll having to deal with scenarios that usually job or whatever took you away from so it's very important because also if you can somehow help yourself then you can be with others around. And if you don't then that's where it goes. Yeah definitely analysts. Meditations personal thing. There's lots of against out there that we research everything works for everybody but you just about finding what works. We learn something new now. This was next on our list of making. You know helping be positive during this time. Learn something new. What can I say we are? We believe in this quiet lot. We we're we're constantly learning new things we go to college. We do this reteach plumbers. Whatever it is this is the perfect time to start something that you've always wanted. Not You know you say learn some new absolutely it is also just giving a guy giving something else ago like I love crafty stuff at the moment we all very busy with FC. I'm fit because we constantly twenty four hours at the moment on doing things for our members and things like that. But you know I. I love to do creative stuff like paintbrush out and do some painting the Wood Wood. Were you know wood carving which did that one day course which? I've really enjoyed And I've bought. I've got little bits of wood I can carve and stuff like that. It sounds silly but to meets a pulse. I'm again. It's a way of my brain down some sure there's also things people think about it and they say well what's the one thing? I've always wanted to have a guy at doing but I've never had enough time to do. I'm never home enough. Just give thing ago now. Youtube is like so many resources out there. You know. You've got courses Youtube online stuff. It's it's kind of. That's the game looking at this period. Let's say we are being asked to work or stay at home mobile home for the next. What however long you know yeah some of US hopefully working for my own doing stuff but you'll also have a lot of time you know do you watch TV. Do you play games. Do you play computer games to read books? Whatever but try and fit in that that time for you whether it's like you said maybe it's not learning something new necessarily. Maybe it's to do that thing that you've always wanted to paint a picture. Yeah Right Ri- short story. Orion whatever is maybe. This is the time to to invest creativity. One time that maybe you've got time to be creative. If your like that you know or read a book maybe someone who's not you know. I'm a huge reader. I've got into reading the older got. But maybe you're somebody like that there's never really got into reading. Never had time to do it. Brita burke learn cooking language now. That's a challenge home all right so the fall of thing on the list was which I think is really really important as having perspective now this will always always help is very difficult. We've been there. We've been through various different things in life where you know there's times when you kind of look in the mirror and go why may now. Why is this happening to me? It's not I'm into them shouting into me. I I've got to do something ballot. Well this may be like one of those rare opportunities actually life where I would say majority of us are dealing with the same thing or a result of the big thing you know whether it be. Were illness change of circumstance. You know what was going to get married to call and get married so many different things where people are having to adapt their lives. It's quite major so this is the one time I suppose to get a perspective of all actually realize that this will we will get through this absolutely. Yeah somehow we will you know everyone. There's a lot of people in the same boat but most importantly you know there's a lot of people in a worse position. Yeah there's a lot of people who are having to deal with at the moment. Whatever you're dealing with someone worse off so it's important to to know that and to believe and it's all about that light at the end of our tunnel that tunnel that light mates fulfil a bit of a distance away but it's there and we will get to it and as I said to us this time fruitfully and trying to learn something and become you know I think what the important thing is at the moment however managed to do that definitely so you have also been doing something with to keep your mind beating and out the box get your mind off with problems are having their. Oh yes yeah I have to say when it was just a spare the moment thing like you said it was one of those things. I have ten minutes to spare and I you know. We're obviously we've kind of reduced dog walks. 'cause we normally do to three walks day easy and we're trying to be sensible and fair and go on one maybe know road walk for the second one. I'm so I remember that we bought probably over a year ago. Some agility equipment for them and then for one reason or another again life takes over we put it in the shed and that was the end of that and it's always been in the back of my head or we must do that musty that we must do that and I thought wow well. This is the perfect time seeing as we're probably not giving them quite as much exercise or walks as we normally day. Pablo specially needs that extra of stimulation seeking get quite tired and bored. Working dog isn't always wants to be doing something. Yeah so he loves his rest but there is a point in the day where he kind of looks at you and goes right. I need to go and do something. Not only physically but with my brain so I thought wow okay you were busy doing. Sem Fit stuff in the office. And I thought well I'm going to build some going to put it together and then you know ten fifty minutes later we're GONNA set up on garden going to be Cross lex. Stone is brilliant of never seen Elo phases so excited like tongues. Hand the side and Obviously get treats and is amazing. You know one of the things that we what was the we've they go in and out with the polls and is incredible really within. This is what this second day. It's been up. I think yeah world champions already world champions in two days is pretty incredible and I was reading on Youtube and stuff used to very gradually and systematically archie for me systematic way of doing it when it came to this was a bit confusing and so I just you know three them in the deep end and I've just come fill out the straight poles yourself in in and out and he says it can take from two weeks to four months for them to to do it literally two days in and that kind of freedom and then I'll do on them right. They only the treats guidance but they're kind of they're doing. It's amazing and it's so satisfying so every day. We are going to be doing some agility with them. Hopefully they'll get foster better and I'll get more myself under control. The hard thing is actually you being control of them much faster than us so they they'll just zoom round but it's actually about you trying to control them you being smarter than they are which is not easy. Watch this space. We will be posting videos of Harley agility is going over the yeah we'll see you know how they do but I was. I'm very impressed. Having gone. And that is the main thing. So that takes us nicely onto our little interview for this week with Joe Cultural of friend dog behaviorist. And she's going to talk to us about the importance of dog nutrition so I think ancestrally dogs have always eaten raw diet so in the natural environment they would hunt and chase prey that kill it that they wouldn't stick it in a pot and cook it or chuck in the microwave. Neater so ancestrally there. The digestive system is developed to digest raw food. But I think the problem is over. You know so many years. We've been brainwashed into thinking. Dogs eat dry food kibble this balanced diet. The problem with dry food is it contains a lot of carbohydrates and it's processed so anything that's processed is not as good as fresh as you guys know so when dogs dry food because it contains contains quite a lot of carbohydrates and additives and preservatives. Dogs don't naturally processed carbohydrates very well and what happens is they get a build up of candied or yeast in their digestive system and that's often A coors or a contributing factor to things like ear infections skin infections allergies upset tummies so the value of raw food is really really important for healing a dog a physical state at talk. Suggestive System Sometimes dogs can eat raw food because the digestive system is just not used to such great food. They've just been street dogs particularly. They've just been used to eating scraps. Everything and anything. Yeah sometimes it can be a real nightmare to try and transition a dog onto raw food but generally speaking. If you're GonNa do it you just want to try one flavor a time if a dog's go after. Geez I'll generally not give them flavors like chicken or beef for Turkey because their grain fed. Farner farmer so you start with a flavor and see my hottest topic he check. Yeah you make sure. It's a nice firm Brown color not soften large quantities of it And you oversee the. They're not being sick on it And that they enjoy it. Yeah and then once you've worked out what flavors they like you have kind of a menu of you'll rule foods that you can give dog But that there will be a lot smaller and firm which means most of what they're eating will be retained by the body for nutrition and health health. You think cable and stuff like makes him a little bit more waiter. I mean it's like humans eating carbs. If we carpenter we put on weight and we feel bloated. It's the same with dogs and you'd notice a huge difference in how a dog looks. How dope behaves you. Know Nutrition is really important when I'm working with dogs with behavior issues because if they're on A DOT that Scott contains carbohydrates is sugar. Then they're going to be hyper. You know the coat is much much shiny when they're a raw diet Smell they just look fantastic fantastic and sometimes you know depends on the dog but some dogs can be tricky to transition onto it but certainly if you're transitioning them just do over a week to two s if you're feeding dry food at the moment you just want to feed them dry food for one meal and then give them rule for the. Rav of the mixing it because they will digest it different rates And then you know once she worked out what flavors they like. Then you've got your menu as I say and it's pretty easy. It's not like ten years ago when I started where I was literally going to the local butchers again bones and rural food now tons of companies algae set some breeds of dogs struggle to eat raw raw feed. So sometimes I'll cook it slightly in the microwave. Just because they're just not used to the texture but once you've done that then they Germany account. Yeah we did. A post on there seem fit last week about the correlation between nutrition and. Welby in massive. Yeah so you something about nutrition and behavioral issues and dogs so there is a huge huge carbohydrates. When we COBB I feel sluggish. We feel tired. We get grouchy. Same thing same thing in dogs massive. Yeah so dire. Is Everything in dogs absolutely. Unfortunately the problem is a lot of vets will advise people not to feed rule. And that's because vets don't necessarily get much nutrition training in vet school when they do get is nutrition trick training given to them by the pharmaceutical companies that produced the kibble the dry food. So they're gonNA get a very kind of one track learning but actually if you research role food and if you think about it you know it's it's logical it makes us then. Yeah I should eat well there you go those Joe all about raw foods now. We've if you've got dogs We have we've been on nor food with them for since they were since we at them. Since you babies I is incredible. It really really does make a difference to their health and Energy Levels. And it's you know it's clean food. Don't get any well. We've not had any problems with it. And I would thoroughly thirty recommends a raw diet and also we do a lot of kind of herbal remedies and potions and powders and put lots of different things natural things into their diet where we can and you know touch wood. They are both very fit and healthy. Yeah they are. They are absolutely not as Joe. Said if you have allergies and skin problems and things like that. They're not ruling is definitely something to try. Joe Has got a youtube video. All about dog nutrition. Which will put on a link under this podcast? She also has a youtube channel with lots of different videos and helpful things. I if you have a dog check it out. You will find it very useful. So we're down to the end of the show message to you this week. I was thinking you know because we are looking on the more positive side of life. What with everything going on. Not this week maybe next year. If you look just give me an idea that I thought well one and we end on some positive affirmations you know affirmations for those of you that know for those. That don't know you know we believe it's important to have these affirmations you know especially like for instance if you get up in the you know the the Saying of the wrong side of the bet. There's a reason for that when people say you've got out the wrong side of the bed or fill out the wrong side of the bed is affirming the fact that you're not going to have a good day. This is simple as that. Now if you got out of bed when I'm going to have a great day maybe it'd be different. So there's what affirmations are so to help with these positive vibes positively. At the moment I put together. Twenty positive affirmations lovling so I think maybe we should read them now quickly before you tell me about affirmations well affirmations a great. They're really good to have lights on your fridge for example and a magnetic or Ron. If you've got a whiteboard you know when you write your shopping list. Just have a couple of them and make them really personalty so we're going to read out twenty all of them will feel natural replied he a bit. You just need a fee that you just read out every so often and it's really good from what I gathered to do it in the morning because like you say sets you up for the day so rather than waking up and thinking maybe things where we've been dreaming about which is not going to set you up for a positive day when you wake up. You're making your coffee. You breakfast toast. Just read a couple of these affirmations and you're able to go in a much smoother smoothie direction were. Let's set off everyone on a smoothie direction by readings malformations so I thought we each got twenty. What you do I said. Okay I'll do the second-set affect I good enough. I am the best version of myself. There is a solution to every problem. I face I am a kind amazing person. I will become leader. It's okay to make mistakes. It's okay to be me. Challenges helped me grow. Today is going to be awesome. I am strong enough to be confident. I am in control of my own happiness. It's okay not to have the answer to everything I believe in myself I can achieve my dreams and goals. My family and friends love me. Today is going to be a positive day. I can get through anything I will achieve anything I wanted to as long as I put my mind to it. I am proud of myself. I deserve to be happy. See you next time focused Jimmy.

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Hour 2 - Bruce Feldman and Tim Sullivan (09-12-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 2 - Bruce Feldman and Tim Sullivan (09-12-19)

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Jovovich is a great personality and these guys are still dominating tennis and they're in their thirties but I don't I don't watch it as member Chrissy and Martina the wonderful rivalry I mean that's what you need in any sport. You WanNa rivalry in certainly an individual individuals sports when you have that that's that's what makes it great you wait for that showdown tiger never had that like tiger was waiting for somebody to stand up to doing like There's there's no second best Golfer in the world. You have to go down to third best Golfer. I think it's great that you brought a tennis. If you put men's tennis on that pole will there hasn't been a threatening American men's tennis player. I don't think since Andy Roddick not threatening top-five consistently Golden Road in the beer available in all fifty states take on the summer heat with Golden Road Bruin California inspired. Ask about the mango cart light wheat ale bursting with fresh mango. 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He's got to show consistency but you threw three picks including to pick sixes. Yes someone onset on twitter that what you're doing right now. Is that overreaction. This is over pre-action because it's before the game you you've over pre acted to this which I like. I think that we should we should coin. Yeah sounds like a T. shirt all juicy where Lebron he didn't get to trademark TACO Tuesday shocker. You got got the word yesterday so Ohio State doesn't and get to trademark the and Lebron doesn't get to trademark Taco Tuesdays kind of overreach both parts. I liked the I I really do. It's hard to prove that you invented the word the when you didn't yeah if you can't be the first one to use it probably most commonly were so the US patent and Trademark Office yesterday turned down Ohio States requested trademark the in conjunction with universities name on its the items marketed for sale such as t shirts baseball caps and hats. Let's say they say such the applied for mark appears to be we used in it merely decorative manner that would be perceived by consumers is having little or no particular source identifying significance denying. Ohio Ohio State's request Lebron also heard that he doesn't get to trade more TACO Tuesday taco Tuesday is a commonplace message and therefore failed to function as a trademark. Yes I would love to see some guy who works at a pet dolphin who's a Michigan grand and he sent it back. The Patent Office has refused your appeal or a scorned in Miami Heat. Fan Is Lebron lefty. Oh he wants to you know. You got no chance with that buddy. I mentioned this story. That is ongoing. It's fluid is we like to say the. NCWA says California's schools could be banned from championships. If this bill isn't dropped and the bill in California Gornja would allow college athletes in the states earn compensation for the use of their name image or likeness beginning twenty twenty three. I I don't know what happens happens down the road with this. If your power five conferences once once you allow one st to do it all the other. It's like like gambling. It's like marijuana once they see the prophets they see the you know what could be you know built on this then that's when you have other states how can the NC double a. do this and not all of a sudden said all these California schools hey you. We're going to prohibit you from participating. NCAA championships so that's twenty-three Ncaa Division schools for which were in the PAC twelve conference yet if the end and say decided to buckle on this and say okay all college athletes control their own likeness but you can never ever be paid by that institution doesn't solve solve the problem of paving college athletes because then the offensive guard who doesn't get assigning the old down the street at the mall. He can't say now pay me. The schools never have to pay so they they keep all the money so all the football schools. They say well cool. You can control your life. This have an an agent or a of signing deal down the road at the mall but you never get get paid by US cool or good guess who writes apologised hit on sort of what I wanted to mention was how do you allow them to control their likeness and not have an agent and if you're allowed to control your likeness and profit off of it then you have to have representation out there finding that money for you to design your gatorade deal or your car dealership deal. I somebody has to to do that on your behalf so you have to open up this agreement to allow college students to have representation whether it's an agent or PR marketing whatever it is you know you could have a marketing in person. I think that they would cringe at the term agent. I mean it's a marketing agents. Yes mclovin determines representative it marketing representative represented and that means I get a ten percent cut in compared to the agents three percent which is a big deal so we'll hear from Bruce Feldman coming up a little but also there's controversy justify won the triple crown and apparently the horse failed a couple of drug tests and there was a cover up in this now. If your horseracing less than you want to do is you you want the best horse out there like you want a triple crown winner you get all of this. You know fan interest there and now now we find out that justify may have been illegally doped up here. Yes Boeing C marriage joking. What if like you in some type of course tranquilizer something to make the horse go faster. What is like a weed tests? TV failed the horse itself failed test for we'd Molly why take a recreational drug to help them. I just be more cool around the stables. did you hear what justify got busted for Molly. You don't get out of here. It doesn't help you raise fast or no just kidding me. I'm killing it in a stall. They've footage of three horses walking to the bathroom during the party. Hey where are you guys going. The the square swinging the square horses Ila Stabili complaining about all the noise all night. Keep it down in. Their horse won't stop grinding. It's GONNA BEDS SAYS WE'RE GONNA couple of days here eight seven seven three. DP Show Email Address TPS Dan Patrick dot com. Let me see what else do we have. Football game coming up tonight. I mentioned is cam. Newton is he healthy is that is that the reason we haven't seen the you know. The real cabinet will ever be healthy again. Those are concerns that I have and that's what I'm watching for tonight. I WanNa know but you know Kamara's GonNa look like and is is he healthy. Is he going to get healthier. Yes mclovin shoulder. Injuries are always tricky like luckily great after he finally came back from a shoulder injury but you know who's a quarterback. Aku sheltered Kapernick always have took forever to come back from his show that shoulder surgery can really hurt quarterbacks. Yes at you've had it. Does your arm feel. The different effort doesn't feel much better but I'm not trying to throw a football in tight window. Fifty yards ripping drew brees. His arm strength the left right by the way he's a shoulder. Bruce Feldman Fox sports the Athletic College football writer join us to give some perspective this affair pay to play act in California. I guess the NC L. NCWA says it's harmful unconstitutional would up end the balance of National Competition in College Sports. Wow Oh wow this is not so if it passes not supposed to take effect till twenty twenty three. What else can you tell us about this Bruce Yeah. It's it's really unwieldy data and I think the NCAA is is really scared of it. mark Emmerick the president has come out and really tried to make some threats about it and I think talking to folks all over the West Coast who work in college athletics. I think the thing that they're scared of the unintended consequences. They think that will come with this and what we're talking about is is some of the stuff that I think gives them. The most concern is doing deals with card shows and doing deals with what you might call the low hanging fruit that you know some you see a lot of people do where it's like okay. How do you monitor that kind of money where it comes from this. It's going going to be an easy easier way for boosters funnel money to players and I think that's the part there. They know that that's going to be a big problem for them in this but but this whole name image and likeness thing that's coming down the pipe the NCAA really is tried to get tried had to get a handle on it and they're really not able to do it and I like. You said it's twenty twenty three. It's really unwieldy and I don't think anybody knows really where it's headed at this pointing to what the NCAA can do about it because at this point the NCAA knows it always loses the public relations battle on this front especially when everybody else is making a fortune including you know us in the TV business on it and the students while they're getting an education and that's not insignificant people looking at go. There's gotta be a better way to deal yeah. I'm just trying to understand how you can do it. How you can monitor it make it above board and I have no problem with these athletes. It's cashing in on their image in their likeness because it is their image and their likeness the ED o'bannon lawsuit does that factor in it all with where we are in California it does and I think some of the things that are kind of budded into this. I mean look the NCAA has has tried ride to get at its rules of amateurism and right now. There's a working group. That's that's looking at recommendations. Gene Smith WHO'S THE AD at Ohio live state is one of the most powerful people in college sports. He's you know he's on that committee. As is the Big East Commissioner Val Ackerman and I think what they're trying to figure dot is okay. Do we their new model. We can put forward that can and make this a little more manageable because right now. You're battling stuff. I think there's been a lot of cases that are that are coming. I don't WANNA say coming to a head but they're coming down. The pipeline and I think what the. NCAA is is really really struggling with. Is You know what happens with like how do we get control of. This 'cause just right with the opportunity for for to be not to be unnecessarily. Just use the word exploits but just taking advantage of where the amateur mature model in some would call it a farce already but they're still trying to hold that model in whereas the the the players are not there are amateurs matures in everybody else's professionals and so once that comes to it and somebody says and now these recruits are much better known as as as commodities when they're coming up in high school you know through twitter and social media. They're they're much more accessible so here's the opportunity for a lot of people that identify them as as this five star this four star what they're worth is and I think that scares a lot of people not just the NJ I think it scares a lot of people who work at the universities and the apartments about that too and all it takes is one st to do it and then you can guarantee you. Will you know Ohio Alabama. You're going to have these different in states where you have you know Michigan where we gotta keep up with them and then it feels like you know it's like I mentioned it's like sports gambling or marijuana in one state does it and then we see what the benefits are and then another state or you have to keep up with the you know these other you know getting out just keep up with USC that they're going to your players and I think even more problematic than than the marijuana law. It's for for universities because then a lot of ways I I think what they look at it as the biggest threat to them and we see this in the basketball scandal that's been going on for like two plus years is the NCAA is holding onto a model. A lot of people getting come on. Let's be honest. There's a lot of cheating that goes on and I talked to a lot of a lot of coaches around the country who thinks the cheating heating and college football right. Now is as bad as it's ever been and again. I think that goes back to what I said. A minute ago about how they these recruits in commodities as of what they are now are more well known and more people know about them and the dollars are bigger so I think that's where this thing gets to be so messy for them and there's just so many different more ways people could skirt the system and quite honestly cheat the rules and again Dan. I think what's different here. Is What's a rule versus. What's the law and that's something that the NCAA has always kind of tried to sneak its you know hands around and Eh has it's harder and harder for the NCAA to do that. Bruce good to talk to you. I know we got a little time before this is put into play if it is ever put into play it's it's to me. It's not a matter of if it happens but when but you know they're looking at twenty twenty three thank you Bruce as always thank Bruce Feldman Fox Fox sports. He also writes for the Athletic College Football. 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More phone calls coming up. Dan Patrick Show eight seven seven three. DP Show tennis's another sport that sort of fallen off but it was so high when you had US stars there when US men we're playing McEnroe and you had connors then you had pete Sampras Andre Very Agassi. It's still there because of Serena but I do think that I don't know if it's territorial. I still love watching the doll aw Federer is he's almost brilliantly boring Djokovic. A great personality and these guys are still dominating tennis and they're in their thirties yes but I don't I don't watch it as member Chrissy and Martina the wonderful rivalry I mean that's what you need in any sport. You WanNa rivalry in certainly an individual sport when you have that that's that's what makes it great you wait for that. Showdown Tiger never had that tiger was waiting for somebody nobody to stand up to him and they're like There's there's no second best Golfer in the world. You have to go down to third best Golfer. I think it's great that you brought a tennis. If you put men's Tennyson that pole there has been a threatening American men's tennis player. I don't think since Andy Roddick not I mean threatening top-five consistently Golden Road. Try the beer vailable in all fifty states take on the summer heat with Golden Road Bruin California inspired. Ask about the mango cart light wheat ale bursting wresting with fresh mango golden roads will pop is a riff on session. Ip hoppy refreshing while the aromatic making it great for any occasion. It's a little bit of sunshine. It's a a little bit of California Palm Trees Pacific Ocean warm sunshine all things California Mango Cart Wolf Pup Session California inspired Golden Road Brewing. We'll talk to Bruce Feldman covers college football for Fox sports and the athletic. We've got our poll question in that poll question mclovin. We can change it. Should we do a whole new. You set a sports that have faltered NASCAR in tennis in there or We go in a difficult question. I have a question for you for Bruce Sean. Who's more a must win engaged for CAM or Jameis Winston. I saw a tweet that this is the most important game of James Winston's career. He seems like he is headed for a cliff. I don't know where it's Ville Yeah. I don't know if he can salvage his career with just one game now. He's got to show consistency but you threw three picks. Including to pick sixes ensued sued someone said on twitter that what you're doing right now is out overreaction. This is over pre-action because it's before the game over. P- reacted to this which I like. I think that we should we should coin. Yeah sounds like a t shirt juicy where Lebron he didn't get to trademark TACO Tuesday shocker. You got the got the word yesterday so Ohio State doesn't get to trademark the and Lebron doesn't get to trademark Taco Tuesdays kind of overreach on both parts. I like the the the the I really do. It's hard to prove that you invented the word the Lakers. You're if you're like we can't be the first one to use it probably the most commonly means work so the US patent and Trademark Office yesterday turndown Ohio States requested trademark the in conjunction with universities his name on its items marketed for sale such as t shirts baseball caps and hats Let's say they go on to say as such. The applied for mark appears to be used in it merely decorative manner that would be perceived by consumers is having little or no particular source identifying significance denying Ohio State's request Lebron also heard that he doesn't get trademark Taco Tuesday Taco Tuesdays a commonplace message and therefore fails to function as a trademark. Yes I would love to see some guy works at the patent office who's in Michigan Grad and he sent back the patent office has refused your appeal or a scorned Miami Heat Fan Lebron left the Oh he wants. You got no chance with that buddy. I mentioned this story. That is ongoing. It's fluid is we like to say the. NCWA says California's schools could be banned from championships. If this bill isn't dropped and the the bill in California would allow college athletes in the states earn compensation for the use of their name image or likeness beginning in two thousand twenty three. I I don't know what happens down the road with this. If you're a power five conferences once once you allow one st to do it all all the other. It's like gambling. It's like marijuana. Once they see the prophets they see the you know what could be you know built on this then that's when you have other states how can the NC double a. do this and not all of a sudden say to all these California schools hey you were going to prohibit you from participating in NCAA championships so that's twenty-three Ncaa Division schools for which were in the PAC twelve conference Yampa so if the NCAA decided to buckle on this and say okay all college athletes control their own likeness but you can never ever be paid by that institution doesn't that solve the problem of paving college athletes because then the offense of guard who doesn't get assigning deal down the street at the mall. He can't say now pay me. The schools never have to pay hey so they they keep all the money so all the football schools they say cool. You can control your life this. You can have an an agent or of signing deal down the road at the mall but you never get paid by US cool. We're good guess who writes apologised hit on sort of what I wanted to mention was. How do you allow them to control their likeness and and not have an agent if you're allowed to control your likeness and profit off of it than you have to have representation out there finding that money for you to design your gatorade deal or your car dealership deal like somebody has to do that on your behalf so you have to open up this agreement to allow college students to have representation whether it's an aging or PR marketing whatever it is you you could have a marketing person. I think that they would cringe at the term agent. I mean it's a marketing agent. Yes mclovin determines terms representative marketing representative and that means I get a ten percent cut compared to the agents three percent cut which is a big deal so we'll hear from Bruce. Feldman have been coming up a little bit also there's controversy justify won the triple crown and apparently the horse failed a couple of drug test and there was a cover up in this now if your horse racing less than you. WanNa do is you. You want the best horse out there like you want a triple crown winner you get all of this you know fan interest there and and now we find out that justify may have been illegally doped up here. Yes polling see marriage a joke what what if like some type of course tranquilizer something to make the horse go faster what is like a weed test. He failed the horse itself failed test for we'd Molly uh-huh recreational drug to help them be more cool around the stables. Oh did you hear what justify got busted for Molly. Don't get get out of here and that doesn't help you. Raise just kidding me. I'm killing it in a stall. They've footage of three horses walking to the bathroom and during the part hey where you going it'd be the square the square horses and the other stabili complaining about all the noise all night. Keep it down in. Their horse won't stop grinding. It's going to bed in a couple of days here eight seven seven three. DP Show email address ep Dan Patrick Dot Com. Let me see what else do we have. Football football game coming up tonight. I mentioned is is Cam. Newton is he healthy is that is that the reason why we haven't seen the you know the real real cabinet. Will he ever be healthy again. You know those are concerns that I have and that's what I'm watching for tonight. I WanNa know but you know cameras. GonNa look like and is he healthy. Is he going to get healthier. Yes mclovin shoulder. Injuries are always tricky like luckily great after he finally came back from a shoulder injury but you know who's a quarterback who sheltered kapernick always had it took forever to come back from his show that shoulder surgery can really hurt quarterbacks. Yes at you've had it. I know does your armies me. Does your outfield different effort doesn't feel much better but I'm not trying to throw a football and a tight window. Fifty yards riffing drew breezes strength left it right by the way he's a shoulder. Bruce Feldman Fox sports the Athletic College football writer join us to give us some perspective this affair pay you to play act in California. I guess the NC L. NCW says it's harmful and unconstitutional would up end the balance of National Competition College Sports. Wow this is not so if it passes not supposed to take effect till twenty twenty three. What else can you tell us about this Bruce Yeah. It's it's really unwieldy data and I think I think the NCAA is really scared of it. mark amorth the president has come out and really tried to make some threats about it and I think talking to folks all all over the West Coast who work in college athletics. I think the thing that they're scared of the unintended consequences. They think that will come with this and what we're talking talking about is some of the stuff that I think gives them. The most concern is doing deals with card shows and doing deals with what you might call the low hanging fruit that you know some. You know you see you see a lot of people do where it's like okay. How do you monitor that kind of money. where it comes from mm-hmm is this is? GonNa be an easy easier way for boosters funnel money to players and I think that's the part there. They know that that's going to it'd be a big problem for them in this but the but this whole name image and likeness thing that's coming down the pipe the MTA really is tried to get yet tried to get a handle on it and they're really not able to do it and like you said it's twenty twenty three. It's really unwieldy and I don't think anybody knows really where it's headed at this point and and what the NCAA can do about it because at this point the NCAA knows it always loses the public relations battle on this front especially when everybody else is making a fortune including you know us in the TV business on it and the students while they're getting an education. That's not insignificant a significant people looking at go. There's gotta be a better way to deal with this yeah. I'm just trying to understand how you can do it. How you can monitor it make it above board and I have no problem with these athletes cashing in on their image and their likeness because it is their image and likeness the ED o'bannon lawsuit does does that factor in at all with where we are in California it does and I think some of the things that are kind of budded into this. We look the NCAA is has tried to get at its rules of amateurism and right now. There's a working group. That's that's looking at recommendations. Gene Smith WHO'S THE AD at Ohio State is one of the most powerful people in college sports. He's you know he's on that committee. As the Big East Commissioner Val Ackerman and I think what they're trying to figure out is okay do we is there a new model we can put forward that can at least make this a little more manageable because right now the Obama and stuff. I think there's been a lot of cases that are that are coming. I don't WANNA say coming to a head but they're coming down the pipeline and I think what the NCAA hey is is really struggling with. Is You know what happens with like how do we control of this because it is just right with the opportunity opportunity for to be not to be unnecessary like just use the word exploited but just taking advantage of where the amateur model in some would call it a farce already but they're still trying to hold that model in whereas the the the players are not there are amateurs and everybody else's professionals and so once that comes to it and somebody says and now these recruits are much better known as as commit as commodities when they're coming up in high school you know through twitter and social media. They're all they're much more accessible so here's the opportunity for a lot of people that identify identify them as as this five star this four star what they're worth is and. I think that scares a lot of people not just the N. J. I think it scares a lot of people who work at the universities and the Athletic Department's about that too and all it takes is one st to do it and then you can guarantee you'll Ohio Alabama. Are you going to have these different states where you have Michigan where we gotta keep up with them and then it feels like you know it's like I mentioned it's like sports gambling or marijuana. WanNa you know once one state does it and then we see what the benefits are and then another state or you have to keep up with the you know these other you know keep up with. USC that you know yeah they're going to get players and I think it's even more problematic than than the marijuana law is for for universities because in a lot of ways I think what they look at. It is the biggest threat to them and we see this in the basketball scandal. That's been you know going on for like two plus years is is the NCAA is holding onto a model which a lot of people look and he'll come on. Let's be honest. There's a lot of cheating that goes on and I talked to a lot about a lot of coaches around the country. I think the cheating in college football right now is as bad as it's ever been and again. I think that goes back to what I said. A minute ago about how they these recruits in in commodities of what they are now are more well known and more people know about them and the dollars are bigger so I think that's where this thing gets to be so messy for them and there's just so many different more ways people could skirt the system and quite honestly cheat the rules and again. I think what's different here. Is What's a rule versus. What's the law and that's something that the NCAA has always kind of tried to sneak its you know hands around house and has it's harder and harder for the NCAA to do that. Bruce good to talk to you. I know we got a little time before this is put into play if it is ever put into into play it's it's to me. It's not a matter of if it happens but when but you know they're looking at twenty twenty three thank you Bruce as always thank Bruce Feldman Fox sports. He also writes for the Athletic College Football. The jets will not have their quarterback Monday night against the browns more details about that coming up next what he paid you you know. Jag just another guy on ESPN around the horn. I have the talk board board with me. I'm excited to announce my new show that woody page podcast exclusively with podcast one each week. I'm giving you my raw unfiltered takes fakes on the latest news and Events and sports and pop culture. If that's not enough I will be joined by guests from the sports world. We look back at important events in their careers that made ate them legendary so join me every thirsty for new episodes of the woody page podcast here on podcast one downloaded listened to the episodes exclusively and that apple podcasts and podcast dot com and they feel like to show tell your friends if you don't keep it to yourself. We'd really appreciate that. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all our great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast we certainly couldn't do without either of you and had. 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One a one Thursday night football we have Tampa Bay buccaneers versus Carolina Panthers with the Panthers being a seven point favorite at home the game on NBC and has eight twenty and kickoff to own one teams trying to avoid starting the season at the dreaded. Owen to mark starting onto historically increases your chances of making the playoffs both teams will likely bring it after a short week. Tampa lost a hard-fought game against the forty niners in the panthers lost by three to the defending NFC champions. La Rams should be a fun one as these two NFC south rivals battle it out once again. Make sure you go to bed dot com and use Promo Code D. R. One. Oh one first time users get one hundred percent bonus on their first deposit. That's Betty aside dot Com Promo Code. Dr one-to-one Remember it's only a game until you bet it et. De sl this just in the jets announced that Sam Darnold will not play Monday night against the browns owns. He has mono woo he could be out for a little while with. Mon- anybody had mono make love and I don't know exactly exactly what it is. Mononucleosis knocked me out of my junior year of college missed the whole Party for months. It was awful and that's why people are speculating that Sam Donaldson this this more than one game yeah. That's you know Manos on something that you sort of brush off and say Yeah I had that for a couple of days to rest the rest is the key and I insist season football player. There acquiesced what a bummer the showdown with Baker Mayfield and the Browns against the jets coming up on Monday night and that's not happening. Tim Sullivan Great Columnist Louisville Courier Journal had an article that says the cover up for triple crown winner justify look shameful. No matter how it's framed here the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission says that they had no knowledge of the triple crown winner the drug usage until oh yesterday and tim kind enough to join us on short notice. What do you make of this story here Tim. What what do you expect to happen well. I think what we're seeing now is that the Kentucky Derby has become the most of the two just two minutes in sports and how this is a fascinating case on a lot of levels but the thing that is most interesting to me is the behavior of the California Horse Racing Board and and it's I don't know what else to call it other than the cover up of a positive drug test of the Santa Anita Derby winner who went on to win the triple Crown whether the the drug in question had any significant impact in justifies justifies performance is something I'm not qualified to comment on but that the CHR be ignored its own precedent precedent and concealed this information seem to drag its feet between the learning of the first positive drug test and notifying Bob Baffert. is very curious. raises questions about whether there was an intent to slow walk this so that he would remain eligible for the Derby since the the second that confirming test didn't come back till three days after the Derby so they have a lot of explaining to do and you know. I haven't heard an explanation yet. That was very persuasive this about money mount ratings about making sure you had the best horse in the race triple crown like all of the above. I mean I think there's all kinds of motives I mean this is a a sport that you know where the value of these thoroughbreds so after they run can be a tremendous. I think justifies a breeding writes sold for something on the order of seventy five million dollars and he's getting I think 'cause 'cause advertised. Rate is something like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a shot so there is huge money at stake here and when you you have have a financial interest in a Derby Horse be it as a an owner trainer or or or someone in the industry who sees an opportunity to to raise the the the level for everyone you know I think you're inherently conflicted. There are members of the CHR be who have horses with Bob Baffert. I don't know how that can be allowed but it is and I oh I think there's GonNa be some significant performs. that come out of this whether this affects justifies standing manning is a triple crown winner. I you know I think it's unlikely he would be stripped of any of those those races but you know the the question remains you know if he was tested positive after the Derby why did it take so long for for that word to you get to the bathroom why didn't think so long for the second positive test to come back and why was that concealed for more than a year tim thanks for joining us on short notice. We appreciate your time my pleasure. It's Tim Sullivan Columnists Louisville Courier Journal. There's big money here triple crown winner stud fees TV ratings and then you covered up and you see you know reportedly cover ever up to drug test with this horse and I don't think they take away the triple crown. I don't know are we going to put an Asterisk by justified. 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Gratitude, Podcasting, Best Health

Health Hats, the Podcast

12:26 min | 10 months ago

Gratitude, Podcasting, Best Health

"Welcome to health hats learning on the journey towards best health. I'm Danny Van Lewin two legged SIS gender old white white man's privileged living in a food oasis who can afford many hats and knows a little bit about a lot of health care and a lot about very little. Most people wear hats one at a time but I wear them all at once. I'm the Rosetta stone of healthcare. We will listen and learn about what it takes to adjust to life's realities in the awesome circus of healthcare. Let's make some sense of all of this in two thousand nine Dr Rip Kinkel no kidding his real name dog knows me with Multiple Sclerosis you've had ms for at least twenty five years. You're a master adapter but your systems broke through your adaptions fans. It's time to treat six months before he died my son. Mike told me that we shared a superpower accepting. What is and moving on? I'm grateful for my superpowers. Accepting what is and adapt ability rather than DIS ability. Nice ice in two thousand fifteen. I ended my career as an employee. Your boss some call it retirement. I expected that I'd misleading leading following and being inspired by team doing meaningful work together and miss the connection the fund the energy as I shifted from full time employment due to increasing stress in deteriorating health. Finally I listened to my own advice. Managing Ching Manageable stress. Okay really that's a good story the truth I listened to my wife's advice with a push out for my employer employer still I own the stress to health connection. It was time to move on except what is adapt ability plus unemployment benefits granite cushion my transition into retirement with blogging Wellesley partners consulting teaching pro pro Bono work and music while decompressing and healing. I already had a four year weekly habit of publishing my blog. Health Hands Wellesley partners was a small consulting and executive coaching shop. That welcomed me back into their fold for the second time I used a cube at Wellesley partners weekly while I set up the business health hats in a Home Office. Tim Sullivan and Peter Tetralogy coach me through the year long transition granite per and now a word from Mr sponsor a bridge. I'm grateful for a bridge. Push the big pink button and record the conversation and with your healthcare professional. Read the transcripts or listen to clips when you get home. A Bridge was created by patients factors and caregivers check out the APP and a bridge dot com A. B. R. I. D. G. DOT COM or download unloaded on the apple APP. Store or Google. Play store record your healthcare conversations. Let me know how it went. Meaning a year ago. In one of his daily posts. Seth Godin plugged the second podcast fellowship. I signed up. I took this unexpected fork in the road and became podcasters. Just like that happenstance without foreshadowing foreshadowing or forethought there was no magic to learning podcasting. Rather was hard work persistence with plenty of support. I watched and listen to thirty five daily lessons and created in connected with the community of three hundred international eager nervous collaborative collaborative fellow learners spoiler alert hide casting lead to outsized health benefits for me gratitude dear readers and listeners. You know that I'm full myself. I can't help it. I'm a content machine blogging weekly for six years offered me the opportunity to exercise discipline. Message an editing muscles but blogging is one way me out. About how long could I sustain. podcasting as obliged enhancement entails much more listening listening to interviewing exploring with fascinating people in my life networks eager to tell their stories creating introducing a podcast offers me learning and leading communication motivation new and deepening personal and virtual relationships skills building at artistic expression. Oh my God gratitude for me podcasting casting leads to outside health benefits. How can I say? Can't you know my mantra best. Health is living with peak capacity built on on genetics conditions. Circumstances and physical environment best health and draws on physical mental and spiritual essentials spiritual spiritual trump's mental and physical. Any Day as you now I have multiple sclerosis at its core amasses amiss functioning central nervous system system gravitating inexorably to fatigue exhaust. Our basic challenges use it. So you don't lose it it being saying movement and brain pathways for me. That's walking at least thirty. Five hundred steps a day playing music five to six hours a week. Hypothesized that activity and movement trigger endorphins and Dorfman's generate energy the endorphin generated rated energy counteracts the fatigue of MS mentally learning new skills honing craft telling a story ORI producing the podcast with music sound and article great transcripts exercise the gray cells podcasting provides a second and level trigger of endorphins again endorphins create energy gratitude podcasting fellowship. I mentioned earlier. Introduced me to the AKIMBO. Forward Link Community. Akimbo is the Seth Godin community workshops about bending the culture speaking speaking up and being heard forward link is a hub for the more than ten thousand Akimbo alumni from seventy four countries. This community offers me a sandbox for personal mission driven growth. A twenty four hour help desk and sounding board for business and technical problem solving an endless opportunities for collaboration. The community welcomes an hunters. My leadership and participation few of the alumni appear to work in traditional healthcare which adds to its perfection for me living in the traditional healthcare bubble constrict my brain that Abbas ms and limit my concept of the postle in fact is a lifelong student of communities organizations leadership and change the Akimbo forward link community offers unusual model of operating at peak perform. Its sound familiar within the forward link community. I host a BI weekly call podcasters critiquing each other's work. We are from Wales Germany Australia Canada Peru in the US our podcast or about environmental education diversity inclusion and equity fine hurt them Ns microfinance best. I health learning and more I meet with a group of New England forward link participants in person monthly in Boston. I virtually test techniques ideas stories and presentations within the community response to others inspiring work work almost every day through an initiative called sixty seconds a day where we all post sixty second clips of whatever's on our mind. And whatever we need help with you can see how this connection has bolstered my spiritual and mental health cranny Tude. I'm I'm not a religious person but I am spiritual. I'm at one in my relationship with a higher power. God if you will when I recognize feel gratitude who'd gratitude for living at peak capacity for my loving family and friends for an engaged health team for the forward link community eighty for music and for clean air and water on this first anniversary of my podcasting journey with fifty two episodes and three thousand thousand downloads under my belt. Thanks for your continuing support. I'm grateful for you and all you do happy Thanksgiving best health. You and yours. See The show notes previous podcasts and other resources on my website. WWW dot health dash hats dot com slash pod. Please subscribe or contribute if you like it. Share it thanks. Thanks see around the block And now a word from our sponsor abridge. I'm I'm grateful for a bridge. Push the big pink button and record the conversation with your healthcare professional. Read the transcripts or listen listen to clips when you get home. A Bridge was created by patients doctors and caregivers check out the APP at a bridge. Dot Com A. B. R. I. D. G. E. DOT COM or download it on the apple APP store or Google. Play store record your healthcare conversations. Let me know how it went.

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Ep.003 Bob Moore

Chachi Loves Everybody

1:46:39 hr | 1 year ago

Ep.003 Bob Moore

"I'm Bob More I'm the general manager of Kayla sex in Los Angeles keeps escalade. I am because okay. Yeah, and he goes I said, and they're telling me that I can hire Howard Stern. And these are bells words. Do you know trickery like oh? Yeah, you know Kevin Weatherly I. Know Kevin Well Those Two idiots won't hire Howard and his contract. It states if an infinity station won't put him on. He's free to market any place in the marketplace. Whole Mike God. So, I call corporate. I say. I'm going to New York next week to meet with Howard his agent. And they go. What are you talking about? I said I'm going to get Howard Stern to come to Los Angeles morning. President Dave CIANCI. Dennis loves, radio and radio. Hey, everybody, because shotty loves everybody. Very excited to welcome Bob more for our third podcast. Thank you so much for for coming today bombers. Thankful we, we appreciate it going to get into the wealth. We decided to start the first three podcast with Los. Angeles legends, so Johnny, Kay, Rick, Cummings and Bob More how great company Really Good Company and your careers just incredible, and we're GONNA get into that in a couple of minutes, but I well let me just give you a quick view of Bob's career starting in television, and then move eventually moving into radio are rises all the way to dos of CBS, running all the sales responsible for over two hundred million dollars in revenue, a year, eventually becoming the general manager for KBC Kahlo S, working with nor nor patents. podcast one and now the president of Sports USA. Company right so incredibly impressive career before we get into all of that and all the trials and tribulations in. A emotions that you went through also hiring Howard Stern here in Los Angeles. To cover I, WanNa talk about the drink that you chose for today and by the way, let me start off by congratulating you of the three interviews. We've done so far. Johnny chose a Dole whip, which is a lowered have no idea what that is. It's like shirty. Fruity frosty type drink that he got hooked on at Disneyland in front of the Tiki. Room Rick Cummings chose T-. But you have come, and actually asked us for a gin and tonic. I'll are sorry gin vodka vodka. Todd CA tonic. I'm old school when somebody asks. What your favorite drinkers I put aside my ice tea and my diet cokes and go straight for the booze and I I love that, so we're. We're officially drinking at eleven. AM and yeah town. As. I wonder how this is going. And this is how radio UC used to be so thank you for for actually a breaking out breaking out some alcohol and it's funded. Enjoy this with you. Know problem, so fill me in on the the GIN and vodka keep on Jihad ca the tonic and vodka. Why is that your favorite drink well? Here's the thing I'm a lightweight drinker I'm not a heavy drinker so I found after sampling numerous things. That vodka tonics I could tolerate because I could always add more tonic in know, and if I really wanted to be slim about it I could do vodka soda or had more so. And it's drink that I can tolerate. You know how often do you indulge? Maybe once or twice a week? Okay, I'm really I'm not a drinker. I drank handily between the ages of sixteen and twenty. One and I quit drinking between twenty, one and thirty five. No kidding for Teen Years Yeah. That must have been incredibly difficult. Just because of the career. It wasn't difficult. There really wasn't yeah. What made you decide to take the hiatus? 'cause I was totally out of control. I'm a lightweight drinker, and I grew up in Wisconsin in a small town where everybody had a fake ID at sixteen and the drinking age was eighteen and I want to the same bar from the age of sixteen to twenty one 'cause they changed the drinking age in the middle of that two twenty one. Okay, so you were like grandfathered in yeah. Why was greater than with a fake ID okay? A. Fake Id. So at that point I realized I can't tell can't handle liquor. It's not good for me so I quit for many many years, just cold Turkey. Yeah! I didn't have a drinking problem. My problem was what drinking did to me and. I never had a thirst for alcohol. Okay, yeah, so were you in Radio in Wisconsin Casino your Crohn's I graduated from college I started radio and Oshkosh Wisconsin Oh. Okay radio station am. How'd you get the job there? My next door neighbor. Was the general manager of the radio station and he ran into me when I graduated from college. And he said what are you going to do now and I said I have no idea, but I don't want to go to Vietnam and he goes. Oh, you should come out and work for me. You should sell radio advertising. I said really and he goes come by the station tomorrow and I'll show you around. We'll discuss it all my sales manager there and we'll hire you I said okay, so I drove out the radio station one of four radio stations in Oshkosh Wisconsin. And I spent two hours walking around the radio station, interviewing with them, and they hired me, and this is a true story Chachi. I sat outside of the broadcast booth, listening to watching the guy speaking to the microphone and listening Kamata those little tiny speakers outside of the booth. Sure and that was almost fifty years ago. I have no idea how that happens. Then and I have no idea still to this day. How that happened I? Mean like the technology. I know that there's something goes to a transmitter, and that goes out the airwaves, but other than that I have no idea. Oh my God! That's hysterical the truth. Have you been to a transmitter site? I. Never thought to ask Allah Howard knew that. Something goes to that I've I've replaced satellite receivers I've done the hard lines done all that I mean I've approved Sherry. Well, apparently, you don't need to know because it's worked out just fine. Work. You've had an amazing career so Oscar. Lucky! You're an account executive. Are you there? I'm there for a little over a year. And I decided that this is it man? I gotta go to the bigger market and I've got a really burst out. So they transfer me to the home station in Madison Wisconsin Okay so this is a pretty big operator and about fourteen stations. Men West family okay. I'll assure still around today still around today, so I go to Madison I'm one of like fifteen or eighteen salespeople people, and these are the days when remember am is the king and the FM is the giveaway share almost like it doesn't exist, so I was right at that transition, sixty, eight, sixty, nine, seventy were all of a sudden, the FM stations started to make an impact and start the be valuable, but it was still the am stations were the king, and it was W SM Madison. And Magic FM in Madison and W SM was a top forty rock station actually did very well and I I did very well there. And then I decided after about two years. It was time to not leave Wisconsin, fleet was gone. Because I was driving to an appointment in January. In my suit I top coat my shoes and half the streets and Madison around forty five degree angles. It's twenty below zero and the streets are ice. My car slides down hits to other cars and I'm stuck in all bank. And I got out of the car about two hours later it got towed to a garage and I got back to the radio station and I went. This is I gotta get Outta here. This is killing me. And I did the. Stupidest thing you ever do in your radio career I. answered an Ad In Broadcasting Magazine. which was you know everything under the Sun, the luxury, the beauty. It was K. Easy Y in Anaheim sure and I flew out for an interview. they picked me up at LAX. Drove me down. Four zero five freeway got off on Beach Boulevard says in February. Got Off on Beach Boulevard drove down to pch drove pch. All the way down came back up and around to Qaisy wise radio station, and I was I was here. Your soul is seventy five degrees. It was beautiful. It's freezing in Wisconsin and It was You know it was a great experience I worked. At what easy y. what are you feeling at this time user anxiety knowing I really know none zero I knew that I when I was sixteen years old I went to a high school dance. I dyed my hair blonde. As you know spray yeah, hair dye and I told everybody I was GONNA move to California and become a beach bum. So. Took me a little longer to do it. You had this on your vision I definitely because I was a car nut. And all I did was read car. Magazines and everything was in California sure the whole carcasses I would've paid. Anybody in Wisconsin that had a black license plate with yellow letters that said California that would be like you know the icon of everything. So are your parents supportive? Oh. Yeah, no I-. Parents I left to come to California a year later. They moved to Florida retired moved to Florida so yeah, they were very supportive, so you're out here. Your first GIG is a casey. Why E do you move to? Are you in Orange County? Where do you live in the county and? Staying, you know live in an awkward garden apartments. Buddy. That's that's an LA thing. I lived in Oakwood for about the everybody does. A. So. What's your first car? You're you you get your first major market gig. Did you have a something you splurged on? You? Buy Yourself a nice car. Would you do? Let's start with the I. Don't think it's quite a major market. It's my sister in law Sanjay major market adjacent. So I drove out here in my nineteen seventy-one Javelin S. T.. Oh, my God with the Wisconsin license plates extravagant. That was kind of like the Pacer now the Javelin was. They're kind of sporty model. Okay, okay. and I drove out here and that with the White Wisconsin Yellow Wisconsin license plates, and within about two hours I, realized I stood out like a sore thumb. Like. Some farmer has just pulled in and I pulled into the parking lot. And every other car was a foreign car Mercedes audie Jaguar, so my first car was an audi- one hundred Alma realize how sure our nineteen seventy-one audie one hundred four speed, and you just feel like you're on top of felt like I had California. License plates I was like made. That's fantastic, and you start off assuming being as a very difficult position, and it's certainly not easy and certainly not easy, and in a major at an adjacent to a major market. How did that go right off the bat? Well it was very interesting because they had a policy that. If you called on somebody else's account and you sold it. You had the split the commission with that other salesperson, so I'm brand new to the market and I. I don't know where I am I. Don't know where I'm going. And there was an older sales guy that had been there about twenty years, and he would say here's ten accounts. You should call on. And I'll and they were his accountant's so I'm author selling his? Splitting the commission. So I'm thinking. About about six weeks I'm going this Saint I don. This isn't the way to do it. It was good I mean he was getting paid off. Clever guy. Why at that time was a great great radio station. So how'd you end up from easy Y in television? Because I know you spent time at KABC and Casey O. P. so that's why I said. I'm not sure if you have six hours today, but we'll go through his resume quickly. Yeah, Casey Y. I WANNA to move to La. 'cause I WANNA get into the big leagues right so I apply for a job at Kiro Q. a M. Fifteen hundred shirk karaoke, the new the new hot rock station in Los Angeles. So I get hired as a salesperson. Roommate in Casey. Why wants to come to L. A. also he? He applies Katie in fifteen eighty Katie, so he gets hired, so we both move up to Los Angeles and realize that between the two of us. Are Radio stations don't reach more than a quarter mile from the radio. I I, so I stayed there for a little over a year. went through all I. Don't know if you know the history of k rock am but all the trials and tribulations checks bouncing and Oh, always it was insanity him. At the time it was a company called Burbank Broadcasting. It was a consortium of fourteen individual owners, and they came on the air with a big bar. You know they had Charlie Tuna Sam riddle I forget all the different but major talents. They hired a bunch of people from Cage Jay Big Jim. Would the WLS. You Know Guy, so they had all these big talent Johnny Darren at all. These major talents paid a lot of money had a fourteen person. News Department Shays Big Irish and it was A. Small, am station out of Burbank so after you know of a typical non radio owners after about eight or nine months without a return on investment you know. They started to pull back on money, so it got finances got tough everything then. When I left was the second regime was there which was shadow Stevens and God I forget all the other ones, but a lot of you know Frazier Smith a lot of other people the. Salaries. Yeah, and I got hired at K. DJ. Okay? If you remember that original Kiss F, K Dj so I went to K- K DJ I. was there a year and a half and I went to KF WB and a the always. WENT TO KF WB and I was there for maybe two years, so my resume was a year and a half two years year, and a half two years year and a half two years. Did you see like greener pasture? Just saw greener pastures and I did very well at all. These places I was very lucky I was successful, and so you still living with your roommate or you out on your by this time I was married Oh. So when did you wife Helen Seventy four and we got married in seventy five. Where were you at that point? Still in Orange County not are no. I was appear. You're up here. How did you guys meet? She was the traffic director. I never knew the story. That's fantastic well. You want to hear the worst part of the story lease. Yeah, I in Wisconsin Oh my God. I had no idea I was married for nine months separated for six. It was marriage made in heaven, so she was the traffic director. You've got a thing for traffic while the story is I did anything to get my commercials? I. So hold on. Let's go back to Wisconsin for a second right when you moved to La. Did you bring your wife with you or did? She stunned literally married for nine months separated for six. She stayed back, so she stayed back in Wisconsin now. Guys trying to repair things or yes. I actually brought her out here because I thought I, didn't give it a full shot. It's my fault I. was you know maybe? I wasn't attentive enough. Maybe I wasn't this and she flew out. I flew out to Los. Angeles Arctic Orange County. We spent one month together. Had A fight. But it was just there was nothing there you could tell so one night. I just looked at her, and I said look. You're not happy. I'm not happy. Why don't you take whatever you want and you want to go back to Wisconsin I'll pay for your flight back and ship everything back whatever it is and she goes. Yeah. I think that's the best thing so I went to work Monday morning. And I came home. And this is a true story. I came home. The apartment was completely boxed up except. A thirteen inch color TV we had three TV's. There was a thirteen inch color TV. Some of those cartoon character glasses that you got for free when you filled up your car. Yes couple of those some broken silverware and a couple of plates, everything else was gone, and we were the first ones to get married in our family both families. We had complete set of China. We had crystal we had. I mean antique furniture. We had all this stuff. And everything was packed up. And heading back the Wisconsin, so you are. You're new city for just a handful of months. You're alone. I mean what is that? Are you happy? Are you anxiety? What does that feel like? The first six months I was very very lonely, very lonely and I flew back to Wisconsin. About six months after I moved out here and went and visited, my friends and Kinda hung out and Madison and. Talk to everybody and I'll never forget this. I flew back. As we were landing at LAX, you know when you come in over the forum and you can Kinda. See Escape of the city sure as we were landing I went. I'm home. This is my home, so that's when you feel. That's when I knew I was I was a Californian yeah. So from there, you now what it's about a year year and a half later. You're at K. Rock, am and you meet another traffic director? Why no and beautiful very funny great lady. Helen, and how did that? How did you guys will I know how you met obviously there? But how does the soul conversation startup well? I she was from Lido, island very elite, and I tried the later and she wouldn't go out with me. But she went with my roommate. Your roommate, who is also in radio? So I that made me that was the challenge said that's it so I just kept persisting precise our first date. This is a true story our first date. Was the playboy jazz festival at the Hollywood bowl. Sure it's a great. She brought her brother with us. Now is she done? Dating remained at this time. Oh Yeah, not showing what him a couple of see. Okay, maybe just make me upset. Because I was persistent. So after you go on this date to the Hollywood bowl. I mean just an amazing venue I. Did she start to fall for you at this point, or is she still kind of I'm not sure she ever. For me. I. Know I mean we were very lucky. You know we were. We! Both had the vision to do something. You know to grow together. As a couple and we've been very lucky. We've got a great relationship. So, now you're at K., K. Deejay. Did she say behind at on? No, then she laughed and. She started an interior design business. Okay, yeah, actually make sense because your houses spectacular. Thank got some her blaming the design. I mean just a beautiful home. The Art we have very similar art tayside. Just in love with what you guys have done with your home. Yeah, that's all her. Trust me. I can help them to deal with any of it. So K. K. DJ. You're eighty either KFI that'll be okay. That's right a two years a calf WB, and I decided that you know television. Was this allure to be in a work at ABC television, so I gotta I wasn't applied for a job at KABC channel seven got hired as an e. and. It was a very eye opening experience because radio was a personal business. Television is a commodity business, its supply and demand. It's limited inventory with networks. Yeah, okay and. I was there for two years and. I did very well. is an interesting story I, was the number one salesperson, and in those days they had a cap on how much money you could make. Really, so the CAP was forty five thousand dollars a year. For, a, salesperson. In July I hit the CAP. And I said so, what do I do for the rest of the year? And they said you service your clients and get business. That's the deal. That's wild I'd never heard of that model bef- yeah, oh. So, what did you do? That we need to work. Yeah, now. I I liked it was that all of TV, had that model, or is that kind of specific I? Think? Maybe it was specific to. ABC ABC at a system where they constantly wanted to put you into management, the sales people were recruited into management. They had what they call. The spot sales system so they didn't want to overpay the sales. People I, so would not go into the spots. They'll system where he could make a little bit more money, and then eventually come out as a manager. Make a little more money, and also was an incentive based business got so you're you're upside was greater and enraged. My upside was much greater in radio, but they always kept trying to move me. In this spot sale system, they kept saying wow, you can go to Detroit, Chicago, You Go York and I'm going I just spent twenty four twenty five years of my life trying to get out of there. Yeah I, WANNA go back. You've got your Audi now you're you're black and yellow license. Play come on. How long are you there? About two years and one of my other one of the sales, people that I worked with left and became the sales manager. CASSIOPEIA thirteen okay. And in that two year period he got promoted to the general sales manager and hired me to be a local sales manager, so then I went from there. To. The local sales manager Channel Thirteen K. C. O. P.. Now, there's later in the story. There's a connection remember that I was the local sales manager at Casey. O P channel thirteen in Los Angeles all right. I'll. I'll I will definitely keep that in mind. What is it like at this point I've heard some stories? my Ex father-in-law, who unfortunately has has a passed away, but he was the sales manager kt right here in Los Angeles and this is the the late seventies through the eighties I was. Eight eighty. Okay, my my understanding was. It was pretty harsh like there are stories about him jumping on the conference table during sales, meetings and hooting and hollering and screaming, and it was a very I think by today's standards, a pretty aggressive environment it was. The Wild West no exaggeration. It was the wild west. It was insanity. It was rough riders. Me had. Our Primetime schedule. Was Streets of San Francisco double run into broad. You Know Baretta double run into this double run. If you add a point four share, you're in good position. And it was packaging and it was. It was the wild west. It was insanity a lot of entertaining. was there a hall entertainment lot of partying all partying all entertainment all high end restaurants all taking the buyers out massaging the doing anything under the sun and you're sober. Yeah I'm sober. What's that like going through that well? It was also the cocaine era Shir. Yes, so I mean it was rampant in the advertising business at that time so I'm at these and it was disco. Everything that was going on in Los, Angel- ride, and I'm like this straight laced sober guy. That has no idea what's going on with everybody I can't figure out why a salesperson would come in the office. Happy could be two hours later sweating. red-faced upset three hours later sleeping. I had no idea what was going on. Really were just a blow, just oblivious, just the oshkosh. Cash. Life I'm in. They're going what's going on. I do not sleep last night, so your connection than obviously had to be something just very authentic and genuine with the different agencies, and I was very fortunate. Yeah, I got a lot of good relationships and from ABC, especially I made great relationships and those transferred over to K. C o p. I was going to be a quick story. I got an order for Vaughan's before. I left to go to Casey O p. it was a second quarter order. For Von Supermarket for for KABC television. It was several hundred thousand dollars several hundred. More than three. Wow I want casey o p went back to see the same buyer with my salesperson instead. Carve out. One hundred grand, you know. Give us a little Bonier. I got thirty six thousand dollars for the order cheese. And she said that's a gift. And, you're still capped at this point cry. No, no now. I'm a case COP. Nice our so now you know ran new company car, Yok. Would happen to the Audi the Audi was. Yanni was thirty cars before, but I've got a nineteen seventy-eight Cadillac Seville all my God. You're living life. You're driving driving driving in my caddy every day to work. It's like straight out of once upon a time was. That's yeah, that's exactly what it was and that was about the Arrow. Trust me. That's fantastic, so such an amazing time in La Radio, but just radio in general, but obviously you're still not on the TV side. So what makes you at that point? You then shift back to radio? Correct, so Tim Sullivan who was the general manager of Cage Jay. And I had hooked up a couple of times when I was working in radio, and he had gone to a brand new radio station called K hits. He was the general manager Okay and he was looking for GSM. So, he called me we met. And and I I did not like television at this point. It was not what I I mean. It was crazy. Honestly, the wild west is the only way to describe it. What your former father in law said is exactly the way it was. It was manny. It was maniac. She's so crazy. You wanted something more stable I wanted some I wanted to get back. The radio because radio was a passion business. You know you could feel it. You could express it. You could sell it that way. Television, commodity was sold as a commodity. It is a commodity. You have no control over the program and you have no control over anything. So He tried to hire me I. said Nah just doesn't seem like the right time. ETC, etc.. And, about six months later cage T. Z. went on the air and was doing really well a soft rock station and I called him up and I said. Let's get together for lunch and I'd like to talk to you again. He goes great. Come on over, so I over I made the deal want to Cage T. Z. nine months later. He left and went to magic. One zero six is the GM so now there's a GM opening so I went there as the general salesman. And we were doing very well. We were owned by Greater. Media Little Company out of New Jersey. and we're doing really well. I'm thirty five years old and her mccord. Who is the? President of the Radio Division La and said. We want you to be the GM. So, that was my start a my GM career and you. You never looked back. I've never looked. Nominal yeah. What would you say is? The biggest difference between being in management, because you're still certainly responsible for an overall number, so sales is still part. I, as opposed to being a what was the biggest shock for you? While the biggest, the biggest change is you're responsible for everything including the license. Which you know Kayla Sex era? That's a whole different story. But. I mean you just have to? Here's the one thing you have to learn to do. I. Don't think any good general manager. CanNot learn the art of delegation. which is a senior management skillset, so you have to be able, and I was always the sales general manager, and I never wanted to lose my my hands on the sales part of the of the industry because I knew that's what drove the engine, and I was very fortunate to align myself with great programmers and great talent, so if you had the great talent and the Great. Programmers, the sales are working to make the difference. You know it's interesting. He said at the beginning of the podcast that you are sober from twenty one to thirty five. Right when you become general manager thirty five, you start drinking again now. Those were called the The ninety seven cents happy hours. We used to Ha-. So, how long are you there as GM? I was there from. Nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety one. Years the long run. Who owned was greater media all greater media. And then. Norm Patas. which goes back to the original story? Norm Patas calls me from Westwood One And says. I want you to come over and run my radio division, which was pirate radio in Los Angeles. Any W am in New, York and WNYC FM in New York, which gigantic opportunity so Zantac operative dive into this for a second arm is just a huge personality icon icon creator. Greater media was a pretty stable company stable. Corporate I think probably treated you very well. I was treated like a king. We were forty percent of the revenue of the company cheese. Now norm at this point I know were enormous reputation as of today in in looking I've never really worked directly with him, but I think all of us in this industry. No Fair amount you've got to give him his due respect. I mean I really invented syndication as we know it, he'll go as far to claim that he's invented. podcasting I'M GONNA I'll give him that, but he certainly been a big influence and. and well without without norm, there wouldn't be podcast networks. He sought and we'll get into. Yeah, so, what is his reputation? At this point? He's the best in the world. He really is I mean he's a creative genius. I carried a lot of shows on Kayla. That's all we knew each other okay. He took me to a bunch of LAKER Games. Once you know once you sit on the floor. And then they call you and say we're want you to run this twelve hour special. You're not saying no. Norm. has seats literally on the floor next to Jack? Nicholas, right Nicholson Sorry, the Gulf in the actor sometimes confused on Golfing. Fan, but you couldn't ask for better seats at the Lakers dabs his logo, I I love his famous for rolling up his program and he'll get up on his on his feet. Jump Up and down and. Raise his hand with his program and yell at the The refs and the players, and so forth so that's his logo. Is Him holding that that program, so he's a very dynamic Laker fan to say the very least he bleeds. Great Great Guy so you go to work there and pirate in of itself is just a gigantic I mean that station just exploded on the scene here and in La Is Scott Shannon there at that? Also I'm brought in to replace the takeover Scott Shannon's leaving. Okay, we're going to phase two of pirate, which is alternative rock, because pirate kind of hit that crossroads where they didn't, they couldn't make the decision or didn't make the decision between alternative and and yeah hop forty the hair bands. They didn't kind of right we're having. Destroyed a because. They had no idea that this was going to become. What, what those hair bands I mean welcomed the without pirate radio guns, N. Roses I. Don't think would have been anywhere close to guns and I think of Gr and pirate radio like Souness Oh they are. Scott was a genius you know when he came in here and talk about station that disrupted the market in a matter of weeks just within a handful months sow. It was amazing and you guys spent a lot of money. I remember the outdoor. I remember. There was no joke when it came to the marketing and radio station right. So, what is that like? You decide to make that jump, are you? Do you have your daughter's your? Your daughter warned by that point, so yes, my daughter's like five or six. That's a pretty big. You've got a family now yards family. It's a big responsibility, but it was something I always wanted to be. I wanted to be in charge of group I thought that that was the next step. Because I'm one of those people that sets goals and you got is constantly. Move Up and this is. This is a group doing more revenue. Or upside salary rise and IT'S NEW YORK AND LA so. Big that was the the idea was I was overseeing both La and New York. That's a bad never understood that that's how you going back and forth going back and forth MGM Grand Baby, Oh my I remember you telling me the story that was the airline that the MGM casinos owned and was virtually like a were flying private, Florida the an opposite tournament on the other attornal terminal terminal on the other side of lax. So you drove your car up. It's like like fine private. You had like a little sweet cracks idea. They changed the by the time I started flying them. They had changed those planes to like regular. You know, but it was all China. You know four or five mule service to Newark rate just the way we kind of vision lines like these giant Barcalounger types chairs in a one time I flew back, and it was me Joan rivers and her dog. Other time it was me Annie Liebowitz. Oh my Gosh! The photographer and I said to my friend. I Goff. This plane goes down. They're going to name all the celebrities and say some Radio Guy. So. What station was it? New York WNYC FM which was the only country station at the time guy and w any. AM The heritage am radio station? So you have three or four radio stationary three that you're over what kind of revenue or these stations doing at that point well? Ideally would be about forty or forty five million. This was nineteen, ninety, ninety one. Okay, so we're coming out of the first recession. Sheriff also businesses tight, and my job is to resurrect obviously the sales in as well as make four matic changes, if if necessary or changed some programming, but and replace some people, but it's really bring in the revenue. How involved is norm on a day to day with you very much, so I reported the norm, so he was still he had the network at this point all rightly. Dividing his attention between the two right, well I wouldn't say dividing his attention, but he wanted to know he was very interested in the radioside. He'd always wanted radio stations. He was very interested in the radio side, so he was very involved in that. Would he go on calls with you because he's a very? Oh, yeah. That's not the right word but Dynamic. Thank you just had a party at his house which was like this? Zillionaire man. Home be hills all with all the clients and everything, so if you've got a client or someone who's close to a dealership and they're interested. I got tickets I got Laker tickets I had four seats. I had four on the other side. All my Gosh, she's series. So you had your own set it tickets that you could go out and Internet access them. And then he had a big enough client, oh my God and high seats. The hockey Oh Jeez. Yeah, that's back Gretzky oh. Yeah, these are the days, yeah! So, he had a one more thing on norm. Let's get back to you, but while we're here. I certainly like to talk about it. He had a Yod as well correct at a yacht in an airplane. a Bob the life man that you have. This was insane so back to the COP store. Yes, so norman. I are flying to New York. Okay while you're at Casey O p. no, no, no, this is when I'm at pirate appear at A. Case right right. I was Senior Vice President Executive Vice President of the Westwood One radio. Group so we're flying to New York. Right on his private plane so when you didn't want to fly mgm, you could take. He invited me, said you WANNA. Come with me I'm going to New York you want. Are you going out there I? Said Yeah. Actually I've got a bunch of calls scheduled meetings. He goes wanted to fly with me, so we're flying out there and he goes. Do you know I hired you? And I said now. And he said I said well I didn't say no, I said Yeah because I'm the best general manager in the country as well. That's part of it, but that's not the reason I said. Because I'm very creative and I work well with talent and people he goes. That's part of it, but that's not the reason and I go. Why did you hire me and he goes because you work the case, GOP and if you could sell that Shit you could sell anything. I-. Norms job before. Westwood one was the local sales manager of Casey. O P. o No kidding I never knew that. That's incredible relationships. Still to this day is is strong and we'll get to that absoltely so. How long are you at at the Westwood One Radio Group? Overseeing pirate and he I took those stations right to the ground zero. So. Ninety Eighty, nine, ninety, ninety. One is when the crash really was going on the first recession. Right so. Business was very difficult. Interest rates were extremely high. Then notes that we borrowed to buy. Those radio stations were really. You know high interest rates. I remember someone I think was Johnny. K told me the story he'd bought a house. In that era I. think is in seventeen or eighteen percent on his crazy so. The Loan payments every quarter were more than we were making. Oh, my gosh, so norm, said you know we can't chase this. Can you turn around. Can you make pirate radio instead of fifteen million and billing? Can You do twenty five million? Can you get new? York the fifteen million. CAN HE GET DEBBIE? W of fifteen million. Because that's basically what we had to do, so he decided to sell the radio stations. So. How long were you there at that point so I was there? Ninety one to ninety three little over two years. Were you at this point second-guessing grave, leaving greater media. Yes and no. But I'll tell you what. And there's a hundred radio owners. That would have said. Your Contracts GonNA end. And I'll work with me. We'll try to help you at the end. Etcetera, etcetera norm came to me. This is a man. She came to me and said look I'm going to have to sell these radio stations. You've done a great job. It's not fair. I'm going to extend your contract for another year I'm going to give you X. amount of more stock helped me work this deal out I. Need you to go to the meetings? Make the deals work with me. ETC, etc, while he paid me every single nickel of that. And if you remember back in those days, it was very commonplace for people to get sold out of a job and walk out the door with six weeks or four weeks or something like that are still incredibly in place and I think back. That was back in the Corporate Raider Days in Utah Yeah. That's exactly it was all acquisitions. It was all these venture. That's when ventures I came in sure. So these fascinating people I mean norm just one we're GONNA get buried in the Dickie's and CBS. Now so you you feel at least you're okay financially. You've got a year long deal, so at least you're not to cry stressed and you've got some time to find your your next Gig. Well I WANNA radio GIG. And, Someone Hooks me up with a head hunter. Four kick and kilt and Houston. Okay the big country surgeons Westinghouse yeah so. I go on, meet Dan Mason I fly back to Maryland. Meet with Dan Mason. and. You know. He offered me the job, so I'd take the job in Houston. Hugh moved to Houston. Oh I didn't know anything about this either, so we all pod. You'll leave your la dream now I leave my l a dream. And how does Helen in your house your daughter at this point seven? My daughter's like so this is ninety three. She's born in eighty five. So, what does she seven? Yes, okay, so she's still pretty young up, but so I go down there by myself and they're going. Because the school years already started I saw. They're going to go down. It's August I go down there. They're going to finish the first year and then come to Houston so. We're flying back and forth looking at real estate and everything, and after about four months. I realized this is the mistake of my life. I woke up one morning. Houston's got the greatest in the world. The nicest people I've ever met in my life. It's the only time in my entire career. The people would call me up and say. How are you doing, Bob? How do you enjoy our city and I? Would say oh, it's great. What do you need? You need tickets to something. No. I just wanted to see how you're doing genuine genuine. So About four months in though I wake up one morning. It's. Eighty eight degrees six o'clock in the morning. It's raining and it's ninety six percent humidity. And I went. I'm in Hell. I mean it's just you know you can't go from California the Vassar and I realized this is not right for me. It was more a geography than the get self. It was total geogra- it was it was the GIG because I wanted to be GM. That was the thing that was what was driving me. I've had a passion to be a GM I knew I could help somebody. So. Go On for another couple of months and I'm sitting in my office on a Friday afternoon. I was going to go home that weekend I decided not to. Because we had a big concert, we had a big country concert. and I wanted to go to the concert on meet the clients. Do everything and I get a phone call. From greater media headquarters. And small talk you know a you know. How do you like it down there? Have you moved down there? I said no, no I have moved yet. You know we're thinking about putting their house on the market and January, but you know I don't know we've looked at some places down here. Be I. Mean Great Places also great communities to live in, and you get a lot more for you. Yeah, we got ton for your money but it's also a city where everything is. Air conditioned it all like the the. The tunnel in the mall is air conditioned. Because the minute you walk outside right I, had I parked under a covered I was the only person the GM's parking lot. A spot was under a covered. sh like a shed top, but it was like covered, and I said. Why am I the only one that gets a covered pot, 'cause? You can't touch the steering wheel on your car. People had gloves so when they'd come out to their car. My Gosh is that hot. Oh, it's penetrating heat. So and humidity anyway. And finally. They said at greater media. They said you know what why don't you just come back? We want you back in L. A.. and. I said I'll come back. But I want to be able to do what I WANNA do which has changed the format. I don't want to be you know we had Howard Morning I. Hired Howard Eighty nine negotiated that deal. I left the ninety one. And came back in ninety three. Also, how serendipitous is that out? I mean the timing, so I said I. WanNa go to I. WanNa go to FM talk. And they say well. Okay. We'll look at it. You know this that you know just a few months. You know. See what you can do with the all you know because we are. Class Howard Stern morning classic rock all day. So. Come back move back to La. Very satisfied had to call Dan Mason. Ask which didn't go over well, but he was a gentleman. He was very nice. and I explained to him. It's a family situation in my family's never gonNA move here because Helen told me about four months in. You can do what you want to do I'm not moving. I'm not coming down there. Know that's just not right and I'll my daughters were very happy here in a we're in the process of rebuilding our house in Studio City so. I come back to L. A.. But six months later. We decide to flip to the FM. Talk Station. So. And they agree to this. You. Take taken the GIG you're that adamant about. Why thank God, why did you want to make that change? I was. Close with all the guys at the loop in Chicago and I saw what they were doing and again it's a unique in one of the things that Fred Jacobs taught me very on early on in the in the business when we came classic, Rock Midwest. Boy, right was be the most unique thing on the dial the only thing in your lane. So if you're the only classic rock station, be the only classic. Rock Station be the Best Classic Rock Station you could be. I felt there was a whole for an FM. Talk Station in Los Angeles with Howard in the morning. Because Howard gave us all that and if you watch the research on Howard. It was the people that love Howard. Listen for two hours a day. The people that hated Howard listened for two and a half to three hours a day, so he had that compelling audience. And I thought there would be a way we could transfer that. And that's when Walter Sabo entered the picture. Can we before we go to Walter? Sabo my apologies for this, but I want to back up to eighty nine prior to you going to work with norm. How did the Howard thing combat the first time? You know the name how he gilman. I do not how a Gilman was global satellite. Network syndicator combat similar, which became harder, dial global right. It was A. Competitor of Westwood One okay. He did right. He was rock line. That was his big show. Sure sure at okay. Absolute so I'm sitting in my office one afternoon. At Kayla sex I got a phone call from Howie. Gilman and I thought Oh Christ. There's another syndicator pitching me a show right now. They're Chachi. Show. So I, pick it up ago. What's happening how he goes? Do you want Howard Stern? I said I'd love Howard Stern. He goes. Here's his agents number. Call him he'll come to la I go howie. Howard Stern's not gonNA come away because my principal competitor is K Rock K rock is owned by Infinity Howard's owned by Infinity. Why would they allow me to hire Howard Stern? He says just call the number. So. I pick up the phone call Don Buchwald. And I say Don. I'm supposed to call you because apparently. Howard Stern's available. The come to Los Angeles he goes is. I said Don. There's no way infinity is going to let me hire the number one DJ in the country to come to Los, Angeles and compete, against K. Rock, they own K rock. He goes here's Mel Karmazin private line. Call him no and I go okay because I'm. So I call. And I say look I'm Bob More? I'm the general manager of Kale. A sex in Los Angeles keeps escalate goes okay. Yeah, and he goes. I said and they're telling me. That I can hire Howard Stern. And these are wells words. Do you know trickery like Oh. Yeah, you know Kevin, weatherly! Kevin, well those two idiots won't hire Howard and his contract. It states if an infinity station won't put him on. He's free to market any place in the marketplace. Hole might God. So I call corporate. I say. I'm going to New York next week to meet with Howard and his agent. And they go. What are you talking about? I said I'M GONNA. Get Howard Stern to come the Los Angeles and do mornings. Unbelievable so I. This is the best part of the story so I have my promotion director. Take Up. Hollywood the sign, the Hollywood sign Scher and have an artist render it as Howard. Would I put it nice. It's about. Two and a half feet long, nice, framed and everything and Steve. Ellis's my program director at the time, and I get on the plane. Fly New York. Meet with Howard and Buckwald and how Buckwald office and I present him this in all this sign right and he's blown away. He's like this is the greatest thing in the world. My dream is to come to L. A.. I've always wanted to be in LA I. WANNA proved everybody I can do it. I. I WanNa make the studio. Executives know who I am because that was. Howard's goal was to be global. Okay, so at the time he's only on in all the infinity stations on the East Coast. Sure he's he's he's syndication is not outside of infinity. He genuinely wants to be the king of me wants to be the king of all media, so we go through this negotiation period. And we make the deal. And I think that's why. We had such a great relationship because he really saw that everybody in the business. Everybody told me this will never work. And take show from new. York and rebroadcast at an La. It'll never work. And I went. He's unique. He's different now now now it won't work and I went back to Howard and I said you know. Everybody's telling me and he goes Bob Look. You've got a mayor in L.. A. That people think is nuts. We have a mayor of New York that thinks people think they're nuts. You got a boss pisses you off. Everybody's got boss pisses them off. You hear a funny story. It's the same you know. It's New York. It's funny in La Trust me. I can do this that. Really paved the road for his whole expansion I mean because he was a regionalized at that right lane, and you're the first person that take a chance to put on a completely different region right, and it was the greatest fifteen year. Right of my career on real did weatherly or trip ever come to you and kind of acknowledge that I understand? They had Kevin and bean which? I understand their position. Sure he would have been so disruptive to what they were doing. Yeah, you know it wouldn't fit at all because they would would've told him. You're playing for records and our. That wasn't Howard. Is You bought how when you bought? Howard you got Howard, which means? When when magic as you know diagnosed with AIDS, and then he does four days of AIDS jokes about Magic Johnson. You might basically have riots right in front of our radio station when Selena gets shot and he starts doing jokes about that and we have the National Hispanic Media Coalition. Go against us. How do you deal with all that as general manager? With a lot of support. and. You have to learn very quickly that. Your control is limited. You know, and so that was the whole. It started before we got him, but that was the editing process. So then we had an editor for our show, so they had an editor back there. We at an editor here, okay? Have, right out shops and stuff out we had to. How did Howard take to that co? Not Well not well. Would he call you personally you? Call me on the air and personally. Do you just have to let it roll off, I just had well. Here's the one thing. I realized very early on. You cannot be combative with Howard. Because, I don't know if the real Howard is the on air, guy or the off air guy but. You know I will tell you when I went to hire him, and we had that meeting in New York. He's the most introverted person I ever met my life. You know as big as he is five six six, he was hunched over low down sitting on the couch and like a fetal position. He's not. He's not that aggressive. A personality in person would you say in obviously gone through this transformation over the last couple years Do you think he was actually more the person he is now, and he was kind of playing a character before or or somewhere in between I think the radio gave him freedom to be what he wanted to be. because. He didn't feel he was being judged every day and I think he will still talk about the fact that he's very introverted. He wants to stay at home he wants. He's very comfortable inside his house. Did you ever feel I guess disrespected in some of the things that he would say and hot water that he would stick you know. 'cause I understood. That was his stick his Don Buckwald. His agent told me when I started negotiating. He goes thorough people at like Howard. There are people. Don't like Howard. Your job is to find more people at like Howard, the the ones that don't like Howard. It's that simple. and. He's right. That was the thing. Did the success here in La was right away or did it take? Some time took about a year and I took a little over about a year and I'll. But I mean he. Hit the ground running. Those were the days when his plan was to destroy the competition. So I remember savings that he would dawn on an all. Right everybody that was his plan. His plan was. My attack plan is simple. You go in. Who's the kings of the market? You disrupt them immediately. Rick Dees Mark and Brian. You go right after him Jay Thomas Whoever it is, you just target those people and you're constantly beat on 'em. Well it worked Oh. Yeah, so let's go back to ninety three right so you're now back at Calisthenics in. You've convinced him to flip to talk. Let's pick it up there and Sabo right so. Walter Sabo is a consultant. Who's doing live one zero five and New Jersey? and. I forget the Orlando call letters, but it's an FM talk station in Orlando Okay and it's very very successful number one station in the market. Howard in the morning very very successful. So I meet with Walter and He. Is a phenomenal salesperson. And he convinces me that this is the right time to do it, but in order to do it. We need to. Make these personalities following Howard? As. Crazy and as Disruptive as he is, that's the word I use disruptive. Okay, so following Howard. We Hire Ken Ober and we match him with Susan Olsen from the Brady Bunch shirt and over from MTV. Yeah Susan Brady. Following that we have these two guys call the regular guys. People were putting together now. We're just putting shows together. Jackson oversee the program that are not yet not yet not yet. Then we go to. Ricky Rachman. On MTV line then we go to conway and stickler. who were two guys doing a Internet show? This is nineteen. Ninety, four, ninety, five, ninety, four, or doing an Internet show. Nobody even knows what the Internet is. Still Nail right so and then we do mother love. At Night, OH, my Gosh! Followed by rocks, the Rock and roll psychic. who does all this casting alter only? and. He's got this spell that he convinces me. This is the greatest thing in the world. So. We're rolling along. Oh in Kato Kaylin, I mentioned I forgot I forgot the one minor role in their. Kato Kaylin. You're blown up I'm I'm guessing fairmount avenue at this time twenty three million dollars billion radio stations, greater media's really bought into this greater media is rolling the dice okay on their most successful radio station in the in the company. Is this now the most pressure you've ever felt. Absolutely, so we have a press release. Press gathering. Walter says we gotTa do this right? We're GONNA roll out the whole cast. All right and we're going to change the name to real radio. No, not real radio was it was radio could actually get was real radio? and He puts echo behind everything. So, we have this press, really press conference I'd like the Four Seasons Hotel literally. There's every television station every newspaper. I've never seen anything like this in my life and they're up there with you know asking Kato Kaylin questions. Asking this questions is during the O. J. Trial. l., my God so. All this stuff's going on now. Howard. Is Calling it radio. Hindenburg I'm they're. Calling me at three o'clock in the morning going Bob Have you lost your mind. Are you under some spell? Got Got to a Rehab Facility. There's obviously something he's lost his mind. This is going on for about two months so every day I'm going to Walter going. We gotta take the River Howard goes. Kill the river this way. This reversed on all the promo everything. Goes Kill the river destroyed. It goes. You're destroying the radio station, so we'd kill the rebirth. I'm going to Cato every day sitting down with them and saying Kato. Don't want you to talk about whether he did it or not, but you've got to kind of build a relationship to the audience of why you're involved in this case. Did you know him? Did you hang out with them? Right? Friends with the family. Did you do anything you know where you locked in that back room, never saw anything until the night of the murders, but you just gotTa talk about something. So the day that they did the glove thing you know, will it fit? You gotTA doesn't fit. You gotTa Crack Yeah I. said the Cato. You've got to talk about this, you. You can't not talk about it because the audience is not react. They're not buying into this. So he goes on the air and and his topic is imagine an alien lands on the four Oh five freeway. What would you do? So. I saw very quickly that an older would keep coming to me every morning going. This ain't work and how many how big of a day party you giving Cato Cato Ed two hours. Geez out Seattle Fire Kato. I had a fire I. mean. We got rid of Auburn Olsen because those two it. As you well know you're a radio programmer. You can't just grab two people. Put them together and make it work. It's tough. Yeah, if there's no chemistry, it doesn't work. Now. The guys that had the most chemistry chemistry were the regular guys, and then they blew up on the air, so we had to fire them, but. So I had to fire over and Olsen. Kato. Ricky Rachman got in a fight with dicey. And Punch. Doug staedtler out so I had to do something with the the. Linda Mule Yeah Yeah Well Ryan. All about I remember. This made like big news, right? Conway and Sackler, we're talking about the fact that Ricky was dating this Janine. Linda, Mueller, this porn star right. and. Con stickler was making these. Derogatory, discouraging remarks about her, so ricky got upset. Came to the radio station and punched. Stadler! Punched him out got arrested. Let let other radio station in handcuffs. Neil say he's gone. So stickler called the police. Yeah, Oh, yeah, filed a police report. Oh my God! Are you at the station at this hour? Yeah. So. And I'm in a meeting downstairs in the conference room and we get a phone call, and it's in the meeting and says Ricky punched out. staedtler and I'm thinking Ricky Philly our. Remember Ricky. Phillies Roger. And they said no Rachman so I fight. We had to get rid of him. We had to get rid of the regular guys Kato. o'byrne Olsen mother loved did not work at all. That was like a nightmare. Then we got rid of Vox, the rock and roll psychic. What are your bosses? A greater media at this point says so supportive. They knew we could fix it. What's revenue like is? The station drops from twenty three to sixteen. We lose seven million dollars. People would say to us. Literally I would go to clients that we had relationships with for ten fifteen years. I don't want free spots I. Don't want anything. I don't want to be on your radio station. McDonald's Ford dealers. and. What's your answer to him? It was the best thing that ever happened to me. You know why why I want to sail. Staff and I said look. There's a path of least resistance. That's the agencies. We're not going to get him. Gordon, create business yet new business. Same thing happened with Howard agencies didn't want to buy him, I said what are we going to pack? Our tent moved to another town. Go find clients that want to buy them. And that opened the doors? And made us not one hundred percent dependent on agency business. And you're getting better eight getting a much better rate results. Yeah, which means they keep coming back buying more and. Measurable. So how do you stabilize this ship? You've got obviously. Howard stays as your anchor, but you've basically now completely rebuilt the rest the radio station now it's nineteen ninety seven. Malcolm Zahn is the radio station. and. Dan Mason Is the head of the radio. Division he goes. Remember being the guy you quit on in Houston after three months so Dan calls me and I go hey Dan. How are you? That's great. You Know Mel's coming out next week. He wants to meet with you. Go. Yeah, no problem I'd love to. So, Mel comes out I took on a take him through what we're everything and he looks at me and he goes. Do me a favor. BUB! Shut the station off after ten am. Save me the power bill. Until you hire a program director that knows what he's doing and get the right talent in here. Don't do this anymore. So I called Kevin weatherly. 'cause I was now part of the family, sure right and I said Kevin. I need a program director that can help. With Howard and FM talk. He goes. You don't need a program director. You need a producer. I want you to call. Jack Silvery down in San Diego give them a call. So I called Jack. He drove up here. We met at the high are the Howard Johnson, whatever it is the one on the four. Oh Five! Yeah, sure I know exactly. Yes, circular build right. And I went. This is my guy hired him on the spot. And you guys work together for quite some time. Eighteen nineteen years, and then he brings in Corolla. Now. This is way way earlier, so he brings first thing he does is bring like us in other now we have now. We have Howard in the morning, so you get to work. Turn Radio Turns. Off Go in the office. You got one two four minutes. The catch them in afternoon drive when they get back in their car to go home. Like US goes into afternoon drive. He catches them. And all because that was Tom Zach. That the time he was on conservative Talk Radio on Kfi Pride, and when he came to Kayla Sex, he realized my demos. I'm following Howard Stern. It's not that I'm on right after Howard. But those cars the go to work when they shut the radio off, it's on ninety seven one. So I gotta catch him and one to three minutes in afternoons. So That work that piece worked than we did. Several midday shows until we got to. You know we had Sam Rubin we had a bunch of other people filling in after Howard between between Howard and the actual midday show, because remember I had Howard live at three am. Three am to six am from New York? Then I re ran the show. From six am to win ever. And most of my shows went over at eleven eleven fifteen eleven thirty, so my midday show was as harshly forty five minutes thirty minutes forty five, maybe an hour. Yeah, so I had eight hours. A day powered maximizing that. Radio was Howard starts, and now born out of this and the success that you had with Howard and being obviously a juggernaut in the ratings, but also the results that we're getting for the. The name is going to escape me, but you worked with a an account executive who went on to start his own agency Kagan and goes on a he does all Larry Miller's buying several big companies, but in a bit on that. Rich was one of those guys, and again as I said, the best thing happened through all of this. Was We weren't relying on the agencies, so we went out and created business. We created our own business so with Howard at one point. I had thirty eight salespeople. I had a twenty two person retail sales department. Calling on car dealers new business new business calls. And I think that was the success we had with our or other markets weren't able to sell Howard as effectively as we did. It's because we knew. We can't rely on all the agencies to buy. And how it just we have to create the business sure so we were very successful and rich was the key rich had no agencies. He was there for ten years. I think had one agency wingmen cry name of his Asia Asia Agencies Wingmen, yeah, amazing, and he basically from that new version of tirade of that you created built a whole career agency helped a. A career in agency because we understood, we worked with the clients. It was old school radio like when you start in retail radio, you get to know the client. Get the know their business. Get the know what they expect. Get the know their strengths. Help them be successful. That was our whole model. We want to help you. Be Successful and grow your business. From that success. You now get promoted to the DOS for the entire cluster, right? And how did that come about? You've Dan forgiving you right? Dan Is forgiven me because we made a lot of money. Giving me I, everybody's forgiving me because we're making a lot of money yet. And we go through the second big recession. Which is two thousand? Was An eight. Yeah, we go through two thousand eight. I was now two thousand eight. Hits everything by the way the worst year, the worst year and a half for radio ever. The recession and the introduction of PPM yeah. That's what I got caught up in. I was laid off at that point on President Obama's inauguration day now, but through the mid two thousand cake in my FM. We had gone to a point where there was so much refinanced business on the air. I actually got to say no more I think we had like sixteen or seventeen why you would have never worked for me. I as Jack, said the people numerous times Bob. Beat the program director out of me. That was my Jack was my third sales. Because, he went on every sales call. Every sales facing in Jackson great now. Running NBC Sports Radio Really Well, so they come in, and they say hey. Times are really tight thousand. You'll have we got. We got to figure this out. We need somebody. Help US generate sales. You oversee sales for all seven stations I, said perfect know. In you went through at that point, that's US responsibility. You've got the wave Jack Kay rock. Cave WB KNX I mean. There was a stations there. They response from shrimp forgetting one right now now that was it. Seven hundred. And I think at that point. There were multiple market managers going through their correct. There were and what was that we had a big turnover on market managers. Man. How did that affect your day to day? It didn't it. Didn't I mean? Kayla sex was always extremely successful so I kind of. Just reported to the heads of whatever was Ryan, the company at the time, which went from Mel to Farid. You know and Dan was always in there And I think they had confidence that I could get it done, so I didn't really feel the pressure as the market matters were coming, and going were did they have much impact on what you doing or did they kind of steer clear? Don't steered clear. First of all nobody understood Kale sex I was like you know we were like. The Hell is this thing now? I'm not sure you understood. I understood it. I didn't control. But I mean we had Howard then atom into frosty. Id Frank and alike us in the conwy stuck where. That was a six a m to one. A. M.. Firecrackers is a nonstop morning shows nonstop morning shows and all generating tremendous revenue. Loved it. You know people loved it. We you know we were doing. Bar Events with frosty and frank at eleven o'clock in the morning we'd have to three thousand people, and like the for live broadcast like the bar event right now at eleven am bright. When does Howard announce that he's going to satellite two thousand five? And how did that feel? Were you aware it was going to happen? I was talking to his agent. We're negotiations. I was talking to his agent. I think CBS was close to fifty million. They were offering. Oh, my Gosh, and I just for Los Angeles not on all of the the whole thing. By that time it was the whole country got. It got it so I said. I called his agent I said Don. I know this is negotiation. I was very close to him and I said Don I know. This is negotiation. But nobody's going to be close to what we're paying, you I said this is crazy. He goes. You're not even in the ballpark. And I want. That's impossible. I said that that can't be right I said look at his footprint. But it wasn't about his footprint it was about. FCC had really put issues on Howard they were. He was losing stations because of all the fines. People were pulling back. The editing had gotten the you know they had I. Think two editors in New York at that time, so it was, it was a very tough occurred. We pay a lot of money in insurance. Just because of the fines that he wants you know once received that to make sure that all of our content can ride across terrestrial radio stations. We've got to carry a policy and it is not cheap. All, you're right. They quite often reference Howard when trying to negotiate a better rate, and also the Janet Jackson Mariah Justin Timberlake. Exactly exactly so. How did you recover from Howard obviously going and leaving the serious well? There's no recovery. No, I mean literally. There's no recovery. We kept fifty percent of the business. Which I think is beyond extraordinary. Yeah, with Adam. It's beyond explorer. That's one atom I've had it for. Some reason thought that atoms started like. Was He replaced replace shot really tough shoes to fill out impossible. She mets right. David Lee Roth on the east coast of David Lee Roth they did rover and the Midwest. It was, but you can't replace Howard. There is no Howard Stern in. Oh! So was tough and then pm hit. Right about the same time three years later, and our ratings dropped to like fifty percent God. because. We're not a P. P.. You know we were A. Lifestyle radio station. Our listeners weren't gonNA wear. You know a giant beeper on their side in all, and if you remember the early phases, rollouts a PPM by the way Roy Laughlin the one who told me this will kill Kale. Sacks PPM will destroy Kale axe. Because! It was geared to hype profile radio stations. Sure that Shannon told me the same thing played a lot of music. Yeah, that's when I mean. Let's face it. IHEART are clear channel at the time to less is more right. Turn to failure and I think everyone was reacting off of though yeah, the -nology which through everything upside down. So it was a very. Difficult period it was very difficult period. Are you the US at this point I'm the GM and DOS never left off I never let gave up the GM dude. Oh, I realized that nobody could take care of the GM sex and the DOS, cluster. KAYLA sex didn't fit in the Pie. You know when you you look at it. You say okay. We're going to take this and we're going to put it with this. You can't take Kayla sachse Mary it with care. Shirt doesn't work. You can't take Kale a Saxon Mary it with anybody else. It just didn't work. We were the odd man out in that situation. When you obviously have a baby, you can't argue. Argue the sex. Wasn't your baby? Oh, how do you remain neutral when you're going and doing a call for the wave? For instance you have to I, mean I. Just I mean that at least I was smart enough to know that that's what I had to do and I. Mean I was professional enough to understand. Yeah, you know. When the by was women thirty, five, fifty, four and I had the wave. Wave and care and knx can't go in there and force feed, them, K, rock and Kale sex doesn't work. Do you feel like that was ever a perception of that that you played favorites within the building? I don't think so I. Really don't because at that time. My job was the Garner share sure get as much business as we possibly could, and you did. Any can't argue that you didn't do an. An amazing man I mean that was. If you look at how that clusters performed over the year, right churn and market managers people returning I mean it's I think certainly an the can't look past the biggest recession the country has seen it was says down mustache. Yeah, so when do you move from CBS? To I? Guess at that time citadel to go work for free at Kayla Wesson. KABC. About two thousand nine. Mike maybe January something like that for read calls me because we'd always been close. And says. I want you to come over and run KABC Kahlo us and he'd just bought those assets from Disney corrector. ABC had them maybe a year year and a half. Okay, maybe two years something like that. And I was dying to get back to be in control. So, I said to him the same thing. I'll do it, but you gotTA. Let me run the radio stations. You know I love at that time remembered. CBS is very corporate. Share not making decisions to change this to do this. You Know Very Very Corp Zoe's callous x goes to CBS. It changes a lot of very corporate. Yeah, it's still let's do everything but. They never I don't think anybody understood it. Mel Understood it right. I don't think anybody else did in the corporate world other than it was a cash machine guy. Got It, but you had a lot of people looking over your shoulder right right? Okay so. I said to free you. Let me run it. I'll come over there. He goes. Can you fix it I go trust me I can fix it. That's what I do. So. That's when I went to was KABC's a you go in the throes of the recession to KABC? What's two thousand nine? Yeah, that's the throws of the room and it doesn't get much two thousand now i. mean that's a tough time tough very tough time and so walk me through that. What's it like to work for Farid? His another I mean Sonam icon treated me like a king. Really Kazoo Mellon Farid understood one thing. Your job. You got two jobs. You gotTA. Keep the license. And you gotTA. Make a Lotta money. You keep the license and you make a lot of money. You're a hero. No It keep the license. You don't make a lot of money. You're going to get beat up every single day. So. He treated me really well. I I could never say a negative thing about Farid I've been very fortunate to work for really people that treated me great and respected what I did. What's your I I? Mean so you go there and you understand the dynamics of the market that time clear channel has a full cluster CBS has a full cluster. Now you're basically you've got to stay right? What's your on an island? You are what's your game plan attack? Grow! Attack guerrilla marketing do anything and everything we can to disrupt the other guys. Now at this point is at your idea. Are the dodgers already K. dodgers, their their dodgers? Okay, so walk me through that relationship and dealing with the team as big as the dodgers. Phenomenal was a great great i. mean it. It was the glue that held KABC. Together. Because Remember. Our competitor was KFI right. KFI's the the beast that never stops growing. So here we are trying to compete against them, and when I took it over. Don't forget when I took it over. It's Doug McIntyre in the morning. Then it's. Joe Scarborough. Out of New York. then. It's Sean Hannity on Her New York. Then it's. Mark Levin out of Washington. I don't get another local show. Till I think eight, seven or eight o'clock at night, which is Peter told us. So I'm I've got all these indicated show right which are not. I'm not against Kfi. So against John and Ken I'm putting up Mark Levin before trump right away, you know. Trump was in office I would have had powerhouse radio station. This is before trump. Yeah, so I call, and then at night I have not trumpets Obama right? It'd be anymore all right, and then at night I have What's his name? The The Guardian Angel. Oh You know I'm talking about. I do. And I call for read, and I go free because they work. And what do you mean it's not working I got to change this he goes. You can't change it. These are syndicated shows. You know this is not costing us a lot of money by by. These are all big talents I said look. Hannity Works Lavigne works, but I gotta get rid of this other stuff, so I got rid of Joe Scarborough. And tried because again I'm hip shooter I. Tried Frosty Heidi and frank on am radio. That didn't go over well, but it. It was interesting. It was interesting shock. Yeah, they're fans came. No one else came. Off. And then we got rid of. The Guardian Angel Guy at night, and I put another local show in there, but with the dodgers. That was the lifeblood. That's what kept the radio station going and what everybody in the business hated me for? which was the paid programming on the weekend? We made a fortune with that. which honestly in a Lotta ways changed the business to change the business completely? Yeah, and then on Kahlo as you've got a legendary morning show so I go there. As Howard Stern's guy. So mark and Ryan can't be very popular. Right? And Mark and Brian are now working out the last nine months of their contract because they've been told before I. Get there that we're not renewing them. They're working out the last nine months their contract. Wait wide. They've been told that because there were there were making way too much money I. See Susan. Yachting KNOL wasn't negotiation tactic freed was ready to walk. He was just done. Yeah, because he couldn't afford. It was he wasn't gonNA. Lose money. So I go there and I. Bob Buttons the Program Direct. Right and I say Bob. Could you set up a meeting with man and mark and Brian? He goes. Yeah, so I go. I call Bob an hour later ago. Are we doing the meeting he goes. They don't WanNa see you. Wait a minute. I I go. What do you mean? He goes not on your Howard Stern's guy. They have no interest in new Howard. Stern destroyed them. It takes some guts to sound well. They're working on the last night at already been told. We're not renew. We're not renewing you. We're not Renault's you. We're not negotiating sedans. You. Cut It doesn't matter doesn't now? We're not negotiating? So they wouldn't bark wouldn't come to my office Brian. Came to my office mark. wouldn come to my office so I went down to meet with them and I, said look guys I've one job. Here are the only job I have is to renew mark and Brian Without that. We don't have a radio station. And slowly, but surely over the next couple months I won. Their. Trust. And started working with her agent. And negotiating a new contract. But I mean I had to build that trust because they did not trust me. So you, you're working freed on the other side and down. Hey, we need them. I said Free Says Great. Shut it off will let's just give Kale Kale away because without mark and Brian. We don't have a radio station. It's not true. I said No. It is true. I said can hire frosty and frank. They'll come on and do mornings, but they're not going to give you. What mark and Brian can give you right? I said first of all these guys have been under restraints. They weren't doing personal appearances. They were barely doing live reads. They had respected taken everything away from the show. Why did they do that? It was between ABC. And then when at L. came in, they didn't understand how to you know again. The, other great part of being a good general manager is understanding how to mallet manage the talent, which is what Kevin and trip do better than anybody I think in the business. You gotta understand how to manage the talent. They didn't have a GM that understood how to manage the talent. They you know a lot of GM's feel more comfortable sitting in the GM chair. And not getting involved in everything else. That wasn't me. And I think that's probably one of the reasons for your. Your success is the fact that you know how to handle and too. It's almost in a lot of ways. I like in the position to a manager or coach of an NFL team right baseball team I mean you're dealing with gigantic personnel, yeah. He goes personalities. You got a massage it. You got to know how to manage it. So you get them renewed. Get them renewed and went up the gates forum. Start doing a bunch of live appearances, getting them involved, getting them to throw out the first pitch at a dodger, doing the integration that you're supposed to do back into the community big with big talent. Station starts to kick on all four cylinders. Rolling things are going really well. And go into bankruptcy. I'm there maybe a year? A little over a year now sitting, Dell's the first of the company's derive you know obviously after that we saw humulus and clear, and so forth go through it all, but freed gets hay out. Three gets hit i. what's that conversation like free calls me up and says hey look. You're going to be reading a lot of negative things don't worry. We're GONNA. Handle lists. You have complete faith. I just signed you to new contract. Don't worry. You'll be fine, so he's. He's a mench. Yeah, he's another man. And I, said perfect go, and he said trust me. You're going to be taken care of, but we're going to get through this. You know this is simple. When you pay two point, two billion dollars for something recession hits. Markets dropped forty percent in revenue. You know this is the outcome of it right so. We go along, our way. I'm still hiring people hiring talent or moving things. Jack is now come over and running. Kabc for me, let's see brought have brought him over I'm negotiating with the dodgers for a renewal. And Things are rolling along. We come out of bankruptcy. Things are. I thought the best. KAYLA's at its highest billing, and like twenty years happiest ratings and billing KABC's doing well financially, not ratings wise, but financially. We're doing well. And the hostile takeover comes in. By John Lew. So at that point they come in, and basically so is free to willing-seller at that point, or they buy out of bankruptcy. We're out of bankruptcy bankruptcies. You're out, ability okay. I guess when you come out of bankruptcy and I don't understand all the issues beer, but when you come out of bankruptcy. They replace certain board members. Part of the things. I think they're in control of what happens with the company. They can get all their money back or the majority of their money back. That's what they do. The old debt holders. Got It, and so they decide to sell to John Lew. They make a bid two point two billion. And that's it. They come in. And what year is this? Two Thousand Eleven two thousand eleven at the same time, almost two thousand twelve. It's November. Eleven say remember when rush made the Sandra. Fluke. Comments is all around this time of Krakow, and it starts a little earlier gets very was in new. York for a lot of those conversations, and you have a lot of a difficult mentally. Did you have the recession? We're just starting to dig out of that, but you also have a situation where a lot of the agencies now don't want anything to do Iraq. Raid Right which is also continues to be a struggle, even today again. Relying on the on the retail and the block programming. Got It louder money. And I'll so John Lew come in. How does that change? Will. Not Well. Not well for them either. So. Basically they came in. and. They wanted to make changes and they bullet me and I think one hundred and thirty three people in the same day on a hundred and thirty three people. Across the country across the country or the changes? What were their? Their thought process and I think the change was that they had a direction that they wanted to go. And I was a hip shooter. Right and I don't think they like that and I'll. Very Analytical. You can't I got some time with Jonah Lou and. By the way Lou Genius I, agree I think they're both incredibly right. Guys. I think that sometimes John's personality could be a little bit more refrained in. A Bit Jeff Gentler, but I cannot save her second. They're not both in credit about right but whether the The feel I've I. which I respect a lot because I think I'm similar to you. I'm not necessarily as analytical as I should be, and I think you and I are we lead writer gut feeling, but there's something to that. You can't necessarily put that on a spreadsheet. It's not necessarily a metric, but success goes with it and There's no doubt that you've had an unbelievable amount of success following well I'll tell you a quick story. So, Lou came in right after they bought the took over the radio stations and wanted to have a staff meeting and in the staff meeting he made a comment. That they own strategy research, so he'd done radio research markets all over the country top ten markets number, one market number, one hundred market and what he found was. There is absolutely no difference between Tuscaloosa, Alabama and Los Angeles when it came to running radio operating a radio station. It's just different markets, and so after the meeting he came into my office and I, said Lu I appreciate everything you did I believe you're? Great you guys have a vision. I understand that I'll try to perform as best I. can for this vision, but I have to differ with you. I worked in small market radio. There's a major difference between Tuscaloosa and Los Angeles I. Don't think they ever bought that I. Don't think they ever believed that I think a lot of ways. They were cutting edge and a lot of our success to them and I think that they did a lot of things I do think they take more slack than. Than, they probably should. I think they did a lot of things right very very bright, but there's no doubt they did some things wrong to their own admission and to your point town square has built a whole business on. They are completely different. Townsquare purposely stays out of the top fifty markets because it is a different business, it is a different different world. Fascinating, so you leave there, I leave there. You go to work with Norma get to norm. As President of courtside Entertainment Group which we have Dr Drew. Love Line Bill. O'Reilly it's funny. You come into the wild west you go. I. It's like you never left I never laughed. You've got your revolver on your your Your Spurs and ready to go out. And so, what's that like I mean? This is really the first podcast company of its kind. Well. At that time, we were only syndicated radio. All you and I was trying to bring podcasting in. As, a adjunct to our syndicated programming, so I was talking to Frank Creamer who had? A little podcast network going I. Forget the name of it, but he had a podcast network yet about twelve or thirteen shows and I was very familiar with Adam doing his podcast. So I kept telling norm. You know. Maybe we should add some podcasts. It would be great, you know he goes wealth. You can sell it. Anybody can sell it and make money on it. We'll do it, but other than that. I'm not interested Oh. This is crazy I know it is so we then met with Adam to do a feature with Adam okay. syndicated one minute feature. Like Corolla rants. And Adam had no interest in doing it because he wanted to concentrate on his podcast network. I'd keep talking to norm. We were the beauty of that. Year that I was there. was. It was so much developmental stuff that was happening. There was the. Streaming, there was gaming. There was sports east sports or just starting at that time right and. We had meetings with all those people. They all wanted norms impression input. They wanted his by off either him to merge with I'm Bhai into the company do something. So we got to see a lot of different things, so norm kept saying to me find somebody that can sell these podcasts and make money with it, and then we'll get into the business. So? I checked around with a bunch of people and I. Called Eric Weiss and I said Hey do you know anybody that's doing these podcasts that successful selling them? And he goes yeah. I Know Kit Gray should talk the kit gray. So eye contact kit gray. We get together for lunch. He tells me he's got. Like twenty comedians that he's representing a podcast network. It's Bill Burr. It's Bill Maher. It's Adam Corolla it's. I mean just like Marc Maron at the time all the top comedians that we're doing podcasts. So I said, are you making money with it? He goes. Yeah, no, it's great I'm making money you know I get to work out of my house and I sit in the Marino with my dog and I just make the appointments. Go out on them and set up these calls, and it's all great because it's live reads. It's personal endorsements. It's p-1 listeners because they're all. You know fanatical fans of these hosts. So I set up a meeting I said. You know you should really come in and work with us because we could really blow this up a major scale. So I set up a meeting with norm. And Norm obviously woos him and blows away. And we start podcast one. And that becomes the network and what I never saw. which norm saw immediately? Which is why I? Give them all the credit in the world. Norm said this isn't an adjunct to the network. Syndication businesses a little side business. This is Westwood One. All over all over again. This is two hundred three hundred shows that we put a network together. Higher sales people all over the country. And build this giant footprint. And I say nobody saw this but nor. Did you leave because he didn't see the vision. I left. Because after about two or three months norm, said look. You're my radio guy. Is I want you to concentrate and we adjust done a deal with Laura Ingram okay. and. I had to take a hard reflection on my career and say do I want to end my career with? Love Line the Dr Drew One minute. Clinic Bill O'Reilly and Laura Ingram. Not that's not what I WANNA do. So I left at the end of the year. I just said. You know what this doesn't work is not what I WANNA do here in. He said I know you want the shiny new toy. But that's not your stronghold, right? You're strong radio. I can't argue with them and now. And now you're working with Larry Khan right so I laugh because Larry had been tried to hire me for a couple years to come in and run his company Sports USA DO NFL NC double a football and we were getting into podcasting and doing some other sports, Little League world series, triple crown of horse, racing radio terrestrial radio stuff. So. I want to work there. I was two thousand twelve. So, what does it seven years? Yeah, that's fantastic and obviously built a great business. Yeah, you guys have a lot of the NFL game. We doing NFL doubleheader every Sunday college game of the week ballgames. You done sports. Talk Radio, music radio. What's your favorite? Well nothing will ever. Kayla sex? will nothing will ever ever come close to the high I had with Kayla? Ex, it was done dominant radio I mean. It was a life changing radio station and it was something you really created out as it helped. Create was involved on the ground floor. Worked with Howard for fifteen years, it was. I mean there's nothing in my career though. Those fifteen years. It was a license to print money. Back to Larry really quickly, and you look at sports and what you're doing there. Do you feel that that is the best John Ras Farce format goes I. Don't want say the safest, but I guess we'll just use that word when you look at all the disruption from spotify and Pandora and everything else. We have going on in her medium right now. That sports seems to really hold its own. Here's the one thing I will say. As long as there are terrestrial radio. Stay you know radios in cars. And you can listen to a live NFL game and I'll on the radio or a college football game, Alabama versus you know Arkansas or something like that, because we only deal with the top top five conferences, so it's top tier stuff, and and when you get to the NFL. That's the pinnacle of everything in Sports. That's hard to beat now. Do we have competitors? Yes, we have serious. Tune in. Now. The giants are trying to get involved in it, but as long as that radio you know. Is Free accessible. I think it's hard to beat us. Nfl I just I actually earlier today in the latest television ratings has made quite a pop again and last year was off a bit, and it seems to be up again. Which is interesting I think it's the number one sport in the world yeah. I think you're one hundred percent correct. Film in a little bit on what your day to day is now. Are you negotiating with sports teams with station? I don't get involved in that. That's Larry's. You know we have three people do that. That do the contracts and the negotiations with the teams because that's gotten very. Very expensive all this competition has increased the price of doing business I say so. My job basically is managing the sales organizations that work with us. Looking at new opportunities, trying to look at it as I said earlier, we were kicking the tires of the English premier league, soccer, and just trying to find things to match up to our football. Little! League World Series You know triple, crown horse racing things we can do a little league. World series actually got into this year, which was the first time I've ever been into it, but it's really entertaining to watch. It's entertaining to watch, and it's a great again. If I'm a sports station, too, I WANNA put two is screaming at each other about nothing on on the weekends or do I wanna put live sports on. That's been our secret to our successor safe for the family out and were white label, so we can run on ESPN. We can run on Fox. We Have Fox affiliates ESPN affiliates because we don't do don Don Don Don. So that's the beauty of our product, and when we go to somebody in a were on four, hundred, eighty, four hundred plus radio stations across the country, but when we go to somebody, that's what we offer them. You can get live. Morning and afternoon NFL football game, and also basically your weekend. You know your Sunday afternoon is taken care of. Really so greatly appreciate the time. This has just been a pleasure. My pleasure, your knowledge and The the careers just an amazing story and I've learned so much a followed I mean we've become friends over the last few years, but I really followed your career and it's. It's an honor to be able to have this conversation. It's my pleasure. And the fact is I reflect when I listened to something like this. How lucky I've been and I've got I've really been lucky to have experienced what I experienced and the opportunities that are these guys these great? Radio Legends look gave me these opportunities. That's what I'm most thankful for. Bob Moore, thank you so much for joining us today. Really appreciate it bye pleasure.

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CEO of Your Health Now

Health Hats, the Podcast

20:34 min | 1 year ago

CEO of Your Health Now

"Ah Welcome to health hats. Learning on the journey towards best health I'm Dan Lewis a two legged SIS gender old co-opted paternalistic disempowering well if something doesn't work adjust I'm learning to be better. CEO feels more hopeful respectful energizing challenging entrepreneurial and connected doc is my CMO chief medical officer my company has no employees rather it engages subcontractors Penny I lead manage decide and learn as a leader I track business and Quality Outcomes Personal Bob and support self care for the whole team including me of course I fundraise cheerlead and I managed six about what it takes to adjust to life's realities in the awesome circus of healthcare let's make some sense of all of this I'm accountable to my company my company health hats has purpose vision and mission and craves leadership in man doctors therapists coaches pharmacies diagnostic services community service are all subcontractors they're independent my board of directors holds me accountable for success of outcomes in Roi He's my company has a C. Suite Executive leadership a board of directors and subcontractors and coaches most people wear hats one at a time but I wear them all at once I'm the Rosetta stone of healthcare we will listen and learn health goals build a leadership team the C. Suite and consider Roi Return on investment I ensure an infant session planning who will lead manage when I can't how will I replace members of by C. Suite and board of directors when they move on I'm the CEO of my health six months into asserting myself as the boss of my company my health structure exists to optimize operations that means that everyone on my team including me has the tools she or he needs to do there by company but we hire them and have expectations of them recalled have service agreements with them as CEO of my oh chief information officer my board of directors includes be as chairperson my wife and my grandchildren my primary care enjoyment my past focus on patient engagement and patient centeredness fell flat underwhelming let's explore CEO of my health some more I'm the CEO of a company health hats committed the best health mine in my community let's hear from some of them now I we have Jan old Berg speaking about who's goals who's choices the clinician or the person we talked the language of choices and goals but don't really process the reality and so I often find myself saying you can't dismiss people's health choices as a rash well today I'm much of my own C. Suite CFO chief financial officer COO chief operating officer and CIO and to maintain my professional and personal life that means progressing slowly as possible the frequency of falls in near works measures of success of my personal health operations are the amount and duration of function day that I maintain my pathological optimism those are proxies for function mental and spiritual health me somebody who prefers non-pharmaceutical options actually Kinda Bam right and ethics and integrity next let's hear from Barbie Ingle who spoke about the importance of purpose in life as it relates to hope what her breathing function medications is just like Oh my God you actually had data that tells a story acting towards my purpose increases my hope in asking for help is asking on the journey towards best health to make healthy choices and decisions to communicate health information to support each other and to learn and we're kind of okay with that unless it interferes with the treatment we think you should get where we can rain career coaches I follow Seth Godin and Tim Sullivan following their advice my professional mission is learn conflict and she weighed in on the permanence of decisions we can overemphasize how important the decision seems to be also that's my personal safety the hours per week I spend playing the baritone saxophone and the proportion of the guarantee that's me next Jane spoke about the nuances of decision making understand what story it's time at both the patient and the doctor need visualization they correlations they need diagnosing neurologist Dr Kinkel urge me to consider what was important to me in my life it fit right in with the lessons I've been learning from no because they're rational to them don't know what context they're making them so I'm might be in health people need to know that there's hope and help out there and hope and help hope and help is that are suggestive of what's going on rather than that it's just data points and most officer role in future episodes if you recall we spoke with Jane Bell expert in crafting solutions to most of the time when people track their data I just get flips a paper or entries I don't get it in any form that allows me name the person goals our goals for them as opposed to the person's goals for him or herself I'm thankful that we can listen again to Jan old Berg is she told a story about her pulmonologist she adjusts shared months worth of data Eh yes this framework works I of well let's try most of it let's try it for now let's see if we can modify it a little bit to work better for me and staying away from when each person would would find there's a different place but I realized what my purpose in life in knowing and living in and the spreadsheets I keep tracking exercise weight and time playing music will need to explore the CIO chief information yeah and two things that even the smallest glimmer of hope can through the worst situation I guess where where I where I find my hope so that's one of the things that you hit upon I hit on another one which is things evolve that's life things change and making decisions health hats the podcast hosted five episodes so far in the C. E. O. of your health series I've learned quite a bit from my guests people don't know what would be useful in most doctors don't know how to describe what would be right now I think my clinicians get kicked out of my stories or you need an advocate or more than one advocate we're all different and there are some of us who really struggle to even think about her yeah you said what am I not asking yeah it's it's coming up with the vocabulary to ask for help which takes practice in patient yeah and certainly in the healthcare world the fact that this is the response that many many people have to this treatment does it quite literally shareholders they've been ownership interest versus stakeholders the person who is going to have an important role in the life oh to stay away generally thinking about decision making from the black and white decisions there's a lot of room in the middle so often sation about well who's in the room who seems to be a decision maker well actually maybe not everyone who matters is at the table in the room so then it's an opportunity to say well let's see how this works on this actual body and human that we're talking about me I think it's also very useful right and we need their people there who can't make a decision or are going to make a lousy one and less they go speak to someone else and sometimes it's -taining my podcasting and advocacy work those are my community contributions and the frequency that I listen to my own advice I am an infant and of course my parents are making decisions for me to wait a minute I'm getting a little older getting a little older to the point of why can't I I multiple sclerosis progressing very slowly but it's progressive my neurologist prescribed the APP store or Google play store record your healthcare conversations let me know how it went want to explain it to me in spoken words I hearing is not that good maybe it was never been that good and that's a really tough way from you learn I have an episode coming up in a couple of weeks with friends struggling to be CEO of their Dad's health as his dementia accelerates and to me that can apply to healthcare right anytime I've had any health issue minor I'm always amazed by the amount I love the Jane Broach the subject of variation in capacity of people making decisions whether young old or ill does that come across as well this is it forever we're done with that decision is made one way or the other we can never revisit what's really tough of the person who's going to make that decision it's totally sensible to say and now the other thing I think you hit on this isn't my emergency or is it someone else's emergency is owner and I do believe that in and again I'm biased because I'm a teacher but education is the key here but when I went home my wife and I listened to the transcription several times I'm grateful that we could take the time to make an informed decision medical decisions those folks need a lot of support of course there are younger people who are moving along that continuum of is it someone else says oh I really WanNa get this decided today why are you dragging your feet well because it's my healthcare it's my my life we're talking about here yeah my eyesight is not as good as it once was someone hands me something to look at to understand this option I can't see it very well or they make the decision all on my own I might say that my parents and then the other end of the age spectrum maybe my judgment is not as good as it wants to us maybe mm-hmm the absolutes the ultimatums the take it or leave it's yeah those invite trouble there will sometimes be kids and parents approach school is they think why just kind of show up in exists there as opposed to being like you said being in control because we overemphasize it's permanency back maybe we're going to try this approach while confusion twice a year that cost one hundred thousand dollars a dose I asked my neurologist if I needed it I understood every I'm providers for a long time I used to look to Western medical doctors who are still the core of my treatment when I seek care that doesn't involve self care practices right not said but my brain couldn't put all the words together thankfully I had my abridged recording APP turned on I had pushed the big pain uh let's hear now for Matt Neal a high school teacher who talked with me about learning to learn and what makes a good learn is knowing when to act and went to observe in my healthcare just in recent years I have finally understood that and have also been really so I used to go to them for emotional reassurance I need a metaphorical hug switched providers recently thank you a bridge a bridge was created by patients doctors and caregivers check out the APP at a bridge dot com or download it on the my friend and fellow homeschool parent amy face scorn spoke about the Zan of leadership seize control conceive of their health as a business and themselves as CEO except me and you my dear listener Rabin pharmaceutically intensely can be there and he's more of a let's hold off so I realized the gifts he gives are the ones I need and we all know that the one of the differences between a good and a great student is a great students what are they doing they're asking questions they're taking great great notes very overwhelming and I think that's how a lot of kids feel in school because the kids are overwhelmed some of them throw up their hands and they say well why bother or they just or cede control a lot of what you just said is very spiritual leader the Dow teaching for example that's the Yin and Yang of leadership earlier how I lead my own health like the CEO. I realize what I can get where and from WHO and I don't try to impose my needs whether you like it one it feel prepared or understand it let me assure you that you are all badge I mean knowledge although knowledge is a part of it you said something about being not knowing that it's an option and that's how I think a lot of if you're one of the glorious few who are already fair CEO's of your health get better at it and reach out to any they're helping other members in the classroom right with their learning as well they're doing the reading they're doing the work already the CEO of your health some people lack capacity to be their own CEO due to cognitive challenges others have formidable skip-back does that happen in healthcare to it's like what of course it does that happens in healthcare to WHO's crazy enough to you dot health dash hats dot com slash pod please subscribe or contribute if you like it share it thanks see around the block it's a tough system to lead and manage it's exhausting I'm a person of privilege and have some of the skills I need I'm health hats after all but I have nowhere all the skills I need there's microscopic training available for health team. CEO At best certainly Persson life then build a team to help you do it you can't be CEO alone no matter how healthy privileged or lucky you think you are health your lives depend on it I'm on a mission to learn about learning to be CEO of your health if you social network and medical in neighborhood communities and it's a topic for another day as I've said before and blog posts and podcasts and new provider it has Niro bedside he's very kind but that's not his strength is ranked is he's totally up on of knowledge I need to know just to well how do I manage this how can I get better how can I improve how can I deal with it is it can be eight years due to social circumstances the role of CEO of their health is not therefore go away it's a whole different set of problems we have ideas or experience let me know let's learn together he doesn't need to be my counselor or my psychologist right you're right he can

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Anne Martin - Pulling the Oars as CIO of Wesleyan University (Capital Allocators, EP.114)

Capital Allocators

53:23 min | 10 months ago

Anne Martin - Pulling the Oars as CIO of Wesleyan University (Capital Allocators, EP.114)

"Hello I'm Ted Psyches and this is capital allocators. This show is an open exploration of the people and process behind capital allocation through conversations with leaders. In the money game we learn how had these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital. You can keep up to date by visiting Capitol allocators podcasts Dot Com by guest on. Today's show is and Martin the Chief Investment Officer for Wesleyan University where she manages the schools one. A billion dollar endowment career started in the tech world and shifted to endowment management at Yale's famed investments. Office she took over at Wesleyan a decade. Hey to go. As one of a handful of Yale Investment alums serving other institutions our conversation covers and path from competitive rower to the tech back world and a fortuitous connection with David Swinson recovered the transferable skills from private equity to endowment management. Key lessons learned at Yale. Oh experienced taking on startup at Wesleyan application of knowledge to a smaller pool of capital development of a team and a portfolio perspectives on natural resources venture capital and Wesleyan's competitive advantage as an alligator. Today's show is sponsored. Servite top traders unplugged dot com a podcast dedicated to quantum based investing each week. You'll hear up today. Conversations between hosts Neal's Costra Larsen and Turtle Jerry Parker about what's happening inside quant strategies real time as well as deep dive interviews with some of the world's leading quant legends and Thought Leaders Including Turtle Mentor Richard. Dennis H. L. Founders Adam harding and luck and professor Andrew Meals. Also Co wrote the book how to master manage futures with Catherine Kamensky which explains the foundations of systematic strategies. His second book the many flavors of Trent falling is available bowl for free at top traders unplugged dot com slash capital. That's top traders. UNPLUG DOT com slash capital for free copy in. Today's show is sponsored by northern. Trust Front office solutions when I talked to investment teams in. CIO's they often echoed the same concern that they spend too much time managing data and not enough time analyzing it two years ago. Northern Trust took a different approach to this problem and funded an internal startup called northern entrust front office solutions. They gathered together a former endowment chief operating officer a front-office technologist from a Multi Billion Dollar Hedge Fund and Award Award Winning Design Team and a Fintech company founded by Quanta coded for Harry Markowitz himself working alongside dozens of clients to take on this shared mission and the result is a cloud based custody agnostic platform that empowers asset owners with better operations and technology support to meet their middle and in front office needs visit northern trust dot com slash solutions. For more information. Please enjoy my conversation with him. Martin Martin angered to see. It'd be here. I want to start with competitive sports because so many people in this industry ustry at some point in time competed. I know you're right there in that. Mix Okay you're right. I am guilty as charged. What was that like back in your crew days news so I think certain people just are born with a certain energy level? Nobody told me I had become a rower but when I was eight years old I joined a local swimming club and I loved it and I was one of those kids. That couldn't be happier except swimming back and forth over black line the pool for hours so somehow I always had that that gene I guess and when I got to college I actually swear my freshman year in my event was a four hundred I am which is the most painful event on the planet and I actually did pretty well qualified for the division three championships and and I told the coach. I'm not going and he said you're not going to the national championships. I said to US National Championships for me is just four hundred. AM another painful event. So I ended have going skiing with my family instead so I was burned out in swimming as so many swimmers get by the time it was ready to call it a day and one of my roommates on my hallway was a rower. Said you ought to come out and see this sport and I went to Smith. We had this beautiful little pond called Paradise Pond. I met the coach. He said go down to the pond and just do the recreational weary rowing growing of a big very stable boat around this tiny little pond and I instantly fell in love with it. It was the middle of the spring the crew already in session but somehow and this could never happen today today but the coach would take me out on the Connecticut River which is really fast and furious in the spring. And I'd be in this little single or double with him and I learned to row that way so went out for crew through the next year. I did my junior year abroad in Paris but came back my senior year in road and we had a new coach. She had been on the national team. Kathy Keeler she was actually married to to the Harvard. Coach Harry Parker. I didn't even know rowing wasn't Olympic sport or World Championships for it. And she encouraged me to go to the national team testing. And I and I did. And I had great scores on the Erg and got invited to development camp. And that's how I got started. How far did you take? So let's see. That was my senior year. I instantly got the bug. I was convinced I could make the Olympic team someday and so I left college without a job at least without a real job. I moved to Boston awesome so I could. Train and distribute community of rowers one of whom worked in consulting and said you should go and interview at my consulting firm that was a great fit. They hard me and so I spent four or five years in Boston between eighty three and eight rowing training and working at the consulting firm in strategic development so it was a kind of a balancing act but it worked out great. It's not something you could do today. But it worked for me then and I made the eighty eight teams so I was on the national team from eighty five to eighty eight. And so then you want to your career your four years of consulting or three years of consulting which was great. But I knew I didn't want to be a consultant. I met my future husband in rowing. He was moving due to the west coast to take the Stanford Freshman Rowing job as a coach and so I moved out there work for another consulting firm for a year and then went to Stanford Business School also. I graduated in ninety one. I went right to Alex Brown which was my first introduction to finance over my summer at business actually work for Microsoft. I really wanted to see what it would be like to be inside inside a company that did something and let's see. It was probably six thousand or nine thousand people then and I thought it was huge. I feel feel like a cog in the machinery here. This is a great company. But I don't WanNa work here so I ended up going to this. Small Investment Bank called Alex Brown which focused on emerging growth companies. I was in the technology acknowledged practice in San Francisco. This one thousand nine hundred one people who are old will remember. It was actually kind of a terrible time in tech recession. Especially there wasn't a lot to do the first couple of years but it worked with the group I started out in some conductors disk drives moved to some software and then a partner and I I spun off to do the New Media Group. We started this thing called new media and that became the basis for the Internet practice there so that started in like ninety four ninety five with broederbond electronic arts and quickly moved into the Internet so I was involved with the Amazon. IPO The EBAY IPO. We represented zip to which was Elon. Musk I company that nobody knows about. We sold that to compact so there was a lot of really interesting deals than Alex. Farm was sold in ninety ninety nine and I left a week later. That wasn't in my plan to work for a big German bank and from there so I went to a private equity firm after that called Rosewood capital was there for three a years. But in the meantime my husband had gotten the achie- had been the freshman rowing coach at Stanford and then coach at a high school in in San Francisco. Oh and in two thousand. He was invited to be one of the coaches for the Olympic team. He's also two-time Olympian Eighty eight and ninety two and he ended up coaching the silver medal pair in two thousand thousand which forced us to move east coast after that for one year so he could train so I was working for this private equity firm on these. It was impossible so after that that when we moved back he really wanted to coach at a higher level. He got the Yale Rowing Job. Until we moved to new haven and I left my private equity job and then I met David so so. That's how I got to investment management and so through the experience you had in banking and private equity. What priors did you bring with you when you started? I work at the office. Yeah so interestingly there's a lot of stuff you have to leave behind when you enter. Investment management from investment banking. I mean the first thing you have to leave behind is your transactional mindset because when you're an investment banking it's all about the next your fee generating and that's how you get paid. So doing the next deal is sort of what you live for when you get to. Investment management is about doing the right deal at the right time with the right level of thoughtfulness. So you have to leave a lot of that behind on the other hand what you bring with. You is a much deeper knowledge of the capital markets. Then many people in investment management. I think there's a greater understanding of how equity formation work over the life of a company. What makes something attractive when your banker you constantly sifting through companies thinking about about well? I am underwriting. This and I am putting my firm's name on this. What makes a good company until you bring some of that with you? And then the other thing that really helped me was was because I was in emerging technology. There was a whole network of people that I knew from my nine years in San Francisco that were venture capitalists US Growth Equity Investors CEO's and that provided a really nice database for me when underwriting new venture positions for Yale. There were people I could call who I felt would give me a very candid view of people. We were trying to underwrite so those are a couple of things that were super helpful so when you joined Yo you do in private equity side. Originally I came in as a consultant and only because when we moved to the East Coast for John's job I took about eighteen months. Aunts off a twin boys at that point there were seven years old and was trying to get them situated in school. There was just a lot of change. We'd moved to Princeton for one year. Old John Coaches team back to San Francisco Cisco we moved to New Haven and so that was the right thing to do. I signed him up for Little League. They got assigned to a team in the coach. Was David Swinson. So that's how we met and so my kids played baseball. David and I got to be friends when I decided I was going to go back to work. I just started talking to him about what's available in Connecticut. What should I think about and he said why? Don't you come in and and we're here. I said I don't know if it's a fit. He didn't know whether it was a fit as you probably know. It's very unusual for Yale to hire somebody laterally and I didn't know anything about what they did honestly and that was probably one of the things David liked about me. I didn't come in with preconceived notions so I started as a consultant and after several months they offered me a full time job. I started actually natural resources. I did a lot of discovery work in the world of mining to see if there was something interesting to do in mining and I manage the oil and gas portfolio over time surged to take on more and more in venture capital and private equity with Tim Sullivan. And that was great. That felt how much more familiar to me. I often joke that I worked on the two parts of portfolio with the most entrepreneurial people in the world if you think Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are unforeseen Go meet the people in Texas that are drilling for oil and when you first were meeting managers. How did the Lens that you had from Guess banking but also sitting in private equity shop and form what you thought. Yeah interesting I think so. The banking part informed the ability. Look at the actual portfolio and understand the quality of the underlying companies and why people were investing in them. The other piece being inside partnership ship is a great education. About how difficult partnership czar and one of the things we care a lot about an investment management is longevity of the team. You're investing behind the stability of that team or ability to mentor. Other people their ability to share economics overtime. When you're in one of these firms I think you viscerally learn how difficult that is? These are really tough. Balancing Acts Finding the right chemistry between these partners is really important and not always easy easy to find so maybe that allowed me to ask the hard questions about tell me about your culture your organization the economics that had I not been in that position of private equity. I wouldn't ned known to ask. And what did you find when you first got to Yale. There's a group of people that are have been terrific at what they've done but they haven't had that similar type of experience before going so we're there situations where you found even within neal's portfolio that you wondered about the partnership dynamic or the quality of the companies people are investing. I wish I could say yes but I can't even remember that far back. That was like fifteen years ago now. I'm sure I might perspective with additive but I mean the yellow people are obviously so well I and what they're doing. I do think the perspective of having lived in Silicon Valley having worked with these companies. Having seen the distortions that can be created along the way was helpful in sorting through Suffolk comes over the transom. War Interpreting if a manager the jurors in your your conference room. And you're saying tell me about these five deals and you know to ask for you. The lead the lead where you lead. No no no and you start start to realize okay. This manager has fallen from a place where they were setting the terms and the they were going to be the first phone call from the entrepreneur to tagging along with other people. What do we really want to invest with this firm? So it's a few things but it's hard to remember that and what were some of the lessons that you learned from sitting at Yale that really resonated good for you. The first thing is how high the Baras it is super high and how high you have to keep it. I was just shocked. Shocked at how many investment opportunities are until you're in that world and especially at a place like jail where everybody wants to at least have a meeting. I don't know that you can really comprehend the number of opportunities that you have to sort through. So that's pretty nutty into. How did you manage your time when you were there? When so many people I want to meet with you Tim Sullivan? Say this thing which has really stuck with me and I repeat it often. which is you don't have to do every good deal just every deal that you do have to he good and so you have to be not afraid to miss something good? So you're really playing the odds here. You want to have a very high hit record and it's okay if you let one go I hi. It's okay when you filter to say okay. I'm going to have these first. Principles of this has outside ownership in the GP. Forget it or there's been a lot of turnover in this firm firm. It's going to be too hard to underwrite. There's that kind of filtering that could go on a front where you can just eliminate a lot of things very other big principles that stuck with you. Well Independence's attendances. Obviously a huge one the economics accruing to the investment professionals. That are hard at work. Every day is a huge one. The the focus on returns for our managers rather than on attic gathering having an appropriate size for the opportunity set. Those are those are really first principles. I would say something over time that maybe is quite as obvious that everybody I think eventually gets to and something I really underscored yell over and over again the quality of the people that you're investing behind if you don't want to go to dinner with them. I often tell my group this now if you don't want to go to dinner with them. Let's not invest with them. Because you're not really investing for the good times you're investing for the really terrible times when you're going to have to be in the trenches together and so how are these people are GonNa treat you then. How honest are they going to be with you? How much of a frank conversation sation can you have? And if the chemistry is not right then you never going to be able to have those conversations so it just makes sense to sort of move on. How do you balance that concept except with the idea that we all have a tendency to like things that are familiar? So do you end up surrounding your manager roster with certain in personality type as opposed to. Maybe there's a great head tra- manager whose bombastic and you might not WanNa have dinner with them but you can verify is actually a good person person just not your type of person. Yeah that probably wouldn't go in our portfolio. Do you think that creates any kind of behavioral bias. Probably but it it doesn't again the world is very big. There's lots of opportunities so it's I think it's okay and I don't have any facts to prove this but I think the bias is probably is probably in our favor on that one. Why somebody bombastic? Why are they touting something? Why do they want to be in the headlines that says something about their personality as as opposed to you know I'm a rower? So what does that mean like. You are never in the spotlight. Nobody comes your races while you're doing it and it's the hardest sport in the world the ratio of working working out time to actual racing time the poorest that I can think of across any sport except maybe swimming but people are very serious it's Nossa grindstone. They care a lot. bombast is sort of the opposite of that so it just doesn't work very well with us. We're much more interested in people who are super serious about what they're doing can explain. I don't really have to light. Liked the person but I have to respect them enough and I have to be able to have a conversation with them and they have to be interesting enough and articulate enough to help me get inside their mind. How many years did you spend it you sex and how did you decide or when did you decide that it was time to step into a CIO? Yeah I would say I wasn't wasn't looking. I was perfectly happy there. The story of Wesland is one that goes back to one thousand nine hundred twenty nine for my family. The call didn't even come from a head. head-hunter came from my uncle who attended nineteen sixty one and had been on the board. He was married at the time but he called and said look. We're going to open up the search. Would you have any interest. I I really hope he would consider it. And so my great uncle attended in twenty nine. My uncle is sixty one. My sister was eighty eight. My brother was eighty two a cousins that were at eighty to ninety. My niece just graduated in seventeen so of had almost one hundred years of history with the school I knew at the time it was super small. The five hundred million. There's certainly a lotteries not to do it but there were a lot of reasons to do it to number one. I really cared. I'd grown up singing these Wesley and fight songs and so even though he didn't go there I always loved the school. In fact I probably would have gone there but my brother was only fifteen months older than me and he was already there. At the time I was looking at colleges. There was no campus on earth. That could hold the and now we're best friends of course but so anyway. It was very appealing from a psychic awards standpoint. It needed help. It was clearly undermanaged for a long time and and I believe in the mission of the school there was a new president who thought it was really doing a great job. I wanted to work with him so for all those reasons. It seem like an appealing opportunity. When I looked at what was going on at Yale I loved it the people that are so smart? I always felt like the dumbest person in the room. which if you're the type of person that's a really appealing environment? Felt like it was constantly learning but I did see a time where three or four for years out in the future if I were doing exactly what he was doing every day. Maybe that the learning curve would run out and so it seemed a little early but on the other hand I also taught an opportunity where I would have the same real psychic poll. I don't know what that would have been. So that's why I went and that was now ten years ago I guess just about the. What did you find when you showed up? Well it's hard to know even start to say it was very much a startup kind of opportunity. You name it. We had to work on it. There was one person there was some institutional memory there were a lot of excel spreadsheets with performance. None of which I was certain Britain didn't have fat finger errors in them and there was a portfolio with twenty six managers in it and there was an investment policy statement that had been written I think in nineteen eighty a two and was completely like we weren't in adherence to it and there was a spending policy that had been written in nineteen sixty one that we weren't in adherence to either so there was a lot of work to do so we ended up having to do all those things figure out the back office system put a new policy portfolio together. We had to review the entire portfolio decide item and everything sort of went into red yellow green bucket and hire people. It was just. It was a lot of work but really exciting. Let's turn them Focus Choson County investment side of it so you had a model or a structure in your mind from working at L. and now you're going to much more pool of capital. What did you you take what you leave behind? So I think the core tenets of being equity oriented diversified are sort of universal. And you really want to adopt those so that was clear. I mean and we have a very high hurdle as well. We think we have to make seven and a half a percent nominal over long periods of time. And you can't really do that unless you're the equity oriented so those sort of things seemed obvious. We didn't have some of the same flexibility in our capital structure that yelled from. And what I mean by that is we had about two hundred million dollars debt outstanding at the university when I came five hundred million dollar endowment pool so we knew we could not generate liquidity by going back out out to the capital markets so we had to generate all our liquidity internally. That means translated that we could never be as liquid as Yale so that was something. We did a lot of modeling around to try to figure out what was a liquidity risk. We could really take. And where did you come out on that on the policy portfolio. So when I started it was about thirty five percent we set as a ceiling. And now it's up to forty two percent but we've had to do that gradually over time and at a billion we've got more room to do that. So that was was one of the things that was really different about the portfolio. The other thing that Yale does extremely well as find really talented people put them in business and I quickly realized like that's not can be the model for us. We are not price negotiators. I spent a lot of time at Yale working on L. P. A.'s and negotiating terms. We're going to be a price taker. So it was sort of a take it or leave it decision decision when we found managers we liked rather than I mean. Yes we like to say we punch puffer waiter. People want to hear our opinion but the reality is that the the larger investors are setting the terms so that was one big difference and then over time. I think what we've had to think about is how early can be with managers you know. Do we want to be a day. One investor. Do we want. That'd be a day to investor you know we have different risk profile. We have a different set of resources that were six people. So there's only so much we can do and and our capital because we're so underfunded we have three thousand students at Wesleyan and when I came as a five hundred million dollars endowment for three thousand students now now it's a billion one for three thousand students but our size one of the largest universities in the Nasdaq and we've gotten bigger but we're still undersized versus some of our peers so calves really precious so preservation of capital. Something we think about a lot. How did that translate into what your allocation looks like? Say Today we believe in the look. What model still? It's awfully hard to see how you're going to get the kind of returns we need without taking some risk on private equity and venture capital and we. You're lucky enough to have some nice venture capital relationships like that. It's one thing I wouldn't do if I hadn't come from Yale and brought venture capital relationships with me or come from Silicon Valley where I'd had the network. It would be really hard to build otherwise and I would be afraid of making a lot of mistakes if I didn't have that experience experience but we did build a venture capital portfolio so we have taken risk on the privates and venture we have a mid size real estate portfolio. Oh the smaller oil and gas portfolio. But it's really that's not an area we've emphasized sort of moving away from that and then Marketable and absolutely turn we we have but we have a much larger public equity portfolio than yell. Does we probably always will. But I think one of the things you have to figure out over time is what are you good at as a team and I think we've made great choices and private equity and venture. Those both really worked for us. I think we've been really good in real estate to. We've done a nice nice job on domestic equity. I feel like we've taken our punches in emerging markets and in oil and gas and I think over time. We're we're more cautious there because we wondered like are we getting better or we just bought at this. I think we have to figure it out over time and are those punches using on a relative basis relative intersection. I'm why do you think is to areas out of eight or whatever it is that you had to weaker results in and the others emerging is just just hard because it's hard to find great managers in emerging markets. The return on time is so terrible. We've been going to China for years and years going to India. There was a period of time for years or five years. We went to Brazil ton and we ended up with no managers there. So it's just been a slogging so you know I think that today we're seeing the quality of the manager in China for example. We're seeing some really interesting managers but if you go back eight years ago oh I think there were fewer and farther between we settled a couple of times to get the exposure and to get some learning under our belt. And you know. In retrospect those didn't work out. I mean it didn't obviously they kill our returns and maybe take some punches to figure it out so when you're looking at say underwriting. A new manager portfolio saying China or something else. How much comfort do you take in the company of the select crowd of people that you've worked with and that you know that are looking at a similar manager compared to just saying you know what you want to be in your shell rowing on your own? Yeah it's really a balancing act right because you don't Wanna be overly influenced by the thinking of other people. They could be right but it could still be a poor fit for you for all sorts of reasons but on the other hand if you find somebody like Asia and no other great investors investing alongside you. I think you have to ask yourself like am I that much smarter than all these people yell who have been doing this for twenty years or at Princeton or it's like why aren't they here side by side with me or Williams bowdoin and then you really better go back to the drawing board and figure out like why you've love this manager and nobody else has and maybe you're right but you'd better triple check their work in the situation and what. What is that process? I mean is that your triple checking your work on your own or you calling those people and saying hey i. Am I missing something here. Yeah I mean I think we're willing to pick up the phone. Call people well and try to figure out. Are we missing something here. Particularly if we know other people have looked in past but those answers can really very could be like. You're looking at a venture capitalist and you think it's it's great and you can't figure out why isn't so investing you call them up and they're like Oh my God. I'm so over my skis in venture capital. I can't make another investment so there are other reasons that people might not be side nightside with you but you do want to make sure you didn't miss like. Oh Yeah we do those guy and he's a really bad guy when you're looking at let's say venture capital in particular. You Start Your portfolio with relationships that you're pretty comfortable you've got the right ones. Maybe you're accessing capacity than over time. You look in newer managers. What's that a process like in trying to underwrite a smaller venture capital fund or something that isn't known by the community to be oversubscribed correct? Yeah I think it's really hard again. Here's a place where we've done some experimenting and tried to figure out. How good can we be at identifying those emerging merging managers in venture and? What are the issues that you have there? There's two things we really wrestled with one is. There's a lot of them if you look at my inbox inboxes often go through these phases. Where you'll see? I remember there was a time when I was at Yale and I would get ten funds that were an agricultural cultural businesses every day. I didn't even know there. Were this many funds doing this but the team does your is definitely the small under one hundred million dollars venture refund and there's just so many of them they could be great but we only are five people and we have to manage the entire portfolio in so sifting through that to try to find. The Gem is really really hard. I think the other thing. That's very hard is because venture has such a long feedback loop that you're going to be on the third fund before you really even know and that gets back to like. How are you going to size if you do decide to do? Some emerging manager. How do you size it so that you're not when you're three funds steep you haven't committed one percent of the endowment to this manager who's unproven so you really have to think about sizing if you're going to do it so I'd say it's not impossible? We we have taken a few bets there. But we're in a period of time were venture has had this unbelievable tide rising that has has made all boats rise and we think about a lot is when the tide goes out which it will inevitably. Who is doing this for the right reasons? And who who is just who's going to be left standing. Who's going to say that this is too hard because it is really hard? I mean it's hard when times are good. It's really hard when times are bad. And maybe this. This is one of the things that I learned in private equity because I joined my firm was focused on Internet and consumer mostly consumer but we I joined to look at we're Internet meets reads consumer and I joined them in September of ninety nine so every investment we made went through a very difficult time in the next three years while I was there and so I saw a lot of pain so I know how bad it can be at the bottom of the market. So you're not investing with people hole for like. Oh I just want exposure and everything's working right now. You really have to think about what is going to happen when the tide goes out. How big a problem is this portfolio? Folio how willing are they going to be to work through it. How high quality is this portfolio that you can actually survive a downturn? All that stuff really matters. How do you tease that out in your meetings with managers editors we ask? Why are you doing this and we ask when we pick up the phone and due diligence? 'cause you ask. Why do you think this person is doing? It made a ton of money at their start up and I think part of it is just. It's less about trying to figure out why people doing it but once in a while you come across the person who for some reason the meeting thank you just know. They're super hungry and they're not doing it for the money. This is a passion. They love working with entrepreneurs they love innovation. If you have enough a dialogue in the meetings that you have that comes out. How did you build out your team with great difficulties or how did you think we're structuring it? Well when I first started I felt like okay. What am I bringing to the table? I have private equity experience. Public market experience earns from my banking days natural resources experience. Where am I really short? Absolute Return Hedge funds which I'd never spent any time with real real estate so it was like okay as we hired. Let's try to hire people that bring some knowledge. Aaron one of the first guys hired. Who's now at Edgehill? Partners partners had come from a consulting firm and those were the two areas that he focused on to. I felt really lucky. He was with us for three years before moving on and he taught me a lot. What and then the second thing is you just spent time in those areas so I really tried to hire originally in this small shop like us? I couldn't do what Yelda Elda so well. which is highly Undergrad? Keep him around for five years like I needed people now so really no choice but to hire people with experience I look for those complementary skills I also looked for somebody in emerging markets. Because I had no at someone with China connections so we hired somebody into that position. Listen and then over time we've hired more junior people and they have kind of come up through the ranks. But it's it's hard because we're on campus in Middletown so our analysts program. We don't expect people to stay around forever. We think it's kind of a three year program and then people go off to business school or they'll breath moved to New York or something as you think of a five or ten year horizon for you in the office and on how do you think about the roles. Also that those people play yeah. We're all generalists right now. Even though people bring expertise in certain things anybody in the office if you said tell me about out. This real estate manager would be able to articulate the strategy of any manager and our portfolio. You know we've been trying hard to keep the manager countdown. I think we're somewhere around on sixty managers across the entire endowment and there are five of us so it's reasonable but we go through every manager together until when we have to underwrite something. There's a big discussion having said that I've seen both the specialist model where people are in charge of an asset class and the generalist model. Now when I think they both have pros and cons have things that you lose along the way and things that you gain. I think what's great about. The generals model is everybody thinks thinks about the comparative risk return of any investment. And that's super helpful so somebody looking at real estate will be able to say this real commit state managers really interesting but it's more like venture because we're really we're not going to get any pay out on the way we're really depending on appreciation of the asset at the end result on. This looks more like fixed income so you know we can really think about risk and return at the manager level. So that's been helpful over time. Who knows I mean I can see why people move to the specialist specialist model if you have a lot of money to put to work and you WANNA invest with entrepreneurial firms? You need more of them and so you really need to know what's going on. WHO's filling thinning out all the time you need to be there? They want the specialist mile. Works better that way. How you thought of taking advantage of the size of the capital base creep paradox have small down is that we have the capital basis? You really interesting things. But we don't have the people in terms of resources entertainment. Yeah yeah if six people Gulf you have a great base where twenty million dollar and that's what we've done a couple things that are a little bit off the beaten track that have worked out but the other thing I think about with doing those really. Nitty things is. Is this going to compound our knowledge over time or is this a one off where we're going to spend a lot of time underwriting. This one little orphan thing thing and it won't have any bearing on the rest of the portfolio. The thing when you're small you have to really think about that. Like how are we going to compound knowledge in the people people on our vestment experience. How do you try to crystallize that? There's a lot of stuff we just said no at the beginning because we just have limited resources so right off the bat we said look. We're we're going to do any mining we're not going to do any real state outside of the US. We're not going to go to these parts of the world it doesn't matter if that's in the index. Were just not doing it. But then when we come across something like reinsurance or litigation funds sort of like is it returned from this going to be so differentiated that we're willing to go going divert our resources to learn about litigation funds. And how is that can help us in the rest of our portfolio. Where nobody's doing this so it's appealing because it's different front and it's supposedly Beta zero but on the other hand? I don't know that it's really going to help. Build our knowledge base in the Dowman until on the margin. Do you shy away from the and how do you think about that as that means lead you to more down the middle strategies. Yeah it does for sure but on the other hand we're less prone to making mistakes which are super costly. You know the old. That's the best way to make money. Don't lose money. I think the more we look at seven hundred venture firms. Were pretty sure they might won't all work out but we're pretty sure we know who like the top twenty are that we wanna be with. I don't know that we can do that with litigation firm that I don't really know what we're always afraid of the risk that we can't perceive so the more experience you have an area the better from that standpoint. Although the reason we probably have experienced is because we're doing it a lot and every else doing a lot in the returns may be driven down but I have a high confidence twelve percent return than a really not not high confidence. Sixteen percent return seventy. was that return. Where have you either learned? Something adopted a behavior. That's come come in different from what you knew when you start. It wasn't well. I'd say one of the things I really learned from. David is like the quality of the people I don't know he seemed to have a sixth Sense for like are these people you WanNa work with or not as to pretend I was wearing a wristband once in a while. What would David do hit? And somehow I I can't even explain ain't exactly what it is but sometimes you're sitting in a meeting like David Hammer investment. This person you know okay. That probably says what's an example of that type of incite. People aren't clear about what they're doing they can't really a articulated for you. It's a complex area. They can't put it in terms that you understand too much jargon. Math can't do math in their heads. Things like that. And how about about things. We're you've changed your beliefs over the last couple of years. One of the things. We've been thinking about really hard as the oil and gas world and this is. It's an area that I came from so obviously I mean I lived in that world for six years eight Yale and there are some great people there and we still depend on fossil also fuels and yet if you look at the industry as a whole. It's pretty structurally ugly right. Because it's a commodity business. There's also two way to destroy. Capital capital allocation decisions are hugely important. There's so much volatility around commodity price you have all this factor risk in and the commodity price so even your best operators can really overcome a sixty percent commodity price fall. It's just really difficult and I think we've had managers have done really well but we've also had managers have done very poorly. I think a lot of people have learned this lesson to two thousand fourteen commodity price. Plummets limits that leverages pretty ugly when you have that much volatility in your operating business so for all those reasons but probably more importantly if if you look out I'm not saying five years or ten years but if you look out thirty years wonder a lot about tail risk out there every rating these assets right because the longer we go without doing anything about climate change the worst potential shift we could have right away and if that happens these these reserves could lose a lot of value. So when you think about some of these managers if you're investing in assets for fifteen years right fifteen year fun and you're holding the underlying asset at the end of fifteen years. They're replacing reserves along the way. But then you get to the end of fifteen years. Somebody's going to buy that asset from them. Based on the next fifteen years so as you get closer to the end of the fun that terminal value matters and yet the terminal values is way out in the future so it feels like that uncertainty if you will we try to invest for ten or fifteen years but we like the cone of uncertainty sort of narrow and feels like the cone of uncertainty fifteen years out in this particular asset classes widened short. Do you do that well. I think one thing we've done is gotten rid of the target for oil and gas which doesn't mean we can't do it. We can and we have some manager. We really liked that. We think the hurdle but they have to compete against the rest of portfolio and they have to go into the private asset class. And so you are really making the trade off do I want to be in this. Middle Market Buyout Fund has its own versus and oil and gas fund. That has Aziz particular things in depth forces. You to look harder at like what is the expected rate of return. What is the volatility around that expected rate of return out in the future so it doesn't mean we won't do it but we don't want to be the frog in the boiling water and not know we're getting burned because we have this target? We think we have to have a frog in. Its in this pot. You mentioned middle market buyouts outs and you mentioned earlier that in a lot of situations. You're a price taker. Had you think about evaluating a private equity fund today it could be mid market or large fund knowing that the pricing environments higher knowing the fees are high. It's really hard. I'd guess two things one is we do think of it relative to public equities so if somebody's paying eleven times for an asset asset. Look at the public markets. Somebody may be playing eighteen times for that asset so saw relative basis. Maybe you have spread there. I think if you look at the numbers of spread really really narrowed as a whole so you really have to look at the individual asset. And I think you've got to do a ton of work on the underwriting. Like what are you GonNa do with this asset and you know we still do find managers amazingly who have a different they bring something to the table. They have a different angle. They see something thing in an asset that they can do or they've seen to other assets along the way they think emerge here and it can really change the properties of those businesses. And until I still think that the governance model of private equity is superior because the owner of these assets can do those things that maybe they couldn't I'm doing the public market so you can merge those three companies together you can cut people you can end a business. That doesn't make sense. You can sell a business that maybe people think we shouldn't be selling can can do all the things that are economically right thing with the five to ten year horizon but would cause your quarterly earnings to go down oftentimes in these funds. What we see is is that the EPA is down for the first two or three years because it really investing in these companies? That doesn't work very well in the public markets. Right as you think. Think of your portfolio as a whole now that it's settled in after ten years. There's a lot of people are always kind of looking for the next thing whether it's analyzing based on risk factors these days or a new asset class or how you thought about balancing kind of going deeper into to what you have with broader into what the next thing is yeah. I think it's really easy to get mesmerized by the next shiny object and I think we try our best to resist that one of the ways we did as we don't go to any conferences another way we do that as we don't meet with any firms that are trying to sell us. You know factor risk curb smart Beta or any of those things and maybe those things are great but we still tightly believed this is about fundamentals fundamental investing and so understanding a company understanding the management team understanding the capital allocation decisions understanding the industry structure. The competitive factors all that stuff matters of time. I don't know how to get conviction in something that's that's machine he's So we really resisted the shiny object object thing and how about just the incremental edge of innovation within. What you're doing I tell you there's things like everybody talks about quantum funds? I don't even know what that means. But what what would do with something like that. Say Okay the next year. Let's do this project and let's go meet with some of these funds. Let's go meet with people who run these funds. Let's go meet with people who invest with these trainers Shannon. A really A. Is there something different here. That is compelling and be if it's not compelling to us how will it affect what's already in our portfolio so does it have ramifications gamification for fundamental investing that. We should understand so we'll put something like that on the project list and maybe something will come out of it but it's not something we go and Taes. Have you done that with that now. That's that's there's been so much a I this machine learning that and quant this how do you think about your own competitive advantage or edge relative to people that are in some sense competing against you. Yeah it's funny. We had an offsite last year and we talked about this very question. What is edging? Everybody had a slightly different answer It's really interesting. First thing is we have as you know. Endowments foundations foundations are Super Special because we have the longest time horizon. Any investor can be super patient. So that's just an edge for our class of investor. Mr I think for us in particular are people. I think we try to cultivate a lot of intellectual curiosity in the office. We you try to meet with managers and we're really trying too hard to have a dialogue. We'd like to be prepared kind of feel like if we leave a meeting. They didn't think. Oh Gosh she she really made me think about that harder. That's a new perspective. or Oh I really learned something about how somebody else is doing. So if we don't add add something in the meeting. I kind of feel like we failed so I think our competitive edges. Maybe everybody does us. But I really do think we're very intellectually. Engaged based on the subjects are managed care about and then Wesleyan Wesleyan's an amazing school and part of my job is to sell managers on. Why you want to help Wesleyan and it's an incredible place? It's been around since eighteen thirty one. We have amazing alums that come out of it. We have interns in our office every summer. I see these people their incredible. You mentioned the alums have. Is Your board governance structure work. Well that was one of the things had changed when I came in. Because the the governance she used to be the portfolio subcommittee reported to the Finance Committee which reported to the Board so clearly legacy structure leftover from the time that the treasure was probably really picking up bonds and stocks for the portfolio so we disbanded that and we started an investment committee. And it's gets eight people now and we meet four. We're times a year and they are with one parent on the committee. It's mostly trustees but we do have places for advisory members those happen to be mostly alums uh-huh over time too but it's good group. How do they influence your thinking? They have influenced by thinking on a couple of things. I mean we bring all of our manager approvals to them and we don't want them to get obviously bogged down manager approvals but sometimes they have been very good at saying. Wow this looks risky. Are you sure. This is the sizing ewong. We've downsized a couple of things because of their the good dialogue we've had with them and those have turned out to be the right decision so on the allocation they're really the ones that are setting the risk parameters there's for the endowment and so. I think there's really a lot of healthy discussion around equity exposure. We've had a lot of discussions around credit. 'cause credit is a growing being part of the investment tool kit. And there's lots of flavors out there and we've done a couple things there that have worked out so he's a trade off right. You're trading reading off a long-term equity return for what looks like an appealing return of capital along the way but get very low multiples. Turn to some closing questions. What's your favorite hobby? Your activity outside of work and family. Well I'm a big reader. I I try to read fifty books a year. Don't ask me why came up with that number but I did not so long it is a lot so I've only read like twenty four this year so I'm way behind last year managed to exceed the fifty by good number so and. When do you read that in? I don't watch TV. So that frees up a lot of time. I read on lights so I never watched movies on played with lights very rarely so that provides a lot of time issue so my travel schedule so I love love to read. I do the New York Times Crossword puzzle every day and I am a fanatic exerciser. I ride my bicycles. All six of them frequently so row almost never just too much time involved in trying to get to boathouse. Get vote on the water. What's your biggest pet peeve? I don't have an answer for that. That one about in the investment world. Anything that would really bothers me. Investment World is when people talk about gross returns versus net returns. That's a pet peeve can't spend gross returns all right of all that reading you do what reading do you almost never miss. You know. There's another one that I don't have a periodical or anything. I read on a regular basis. It's pretty ECLECTIC. I mean I try to hit pitchbook in the morning. 'cause venture such dynamic area sometimes learn something left. Our portfolio entered our portfolio. I do that and I read the New York Times blurb that comes across my email but other than that I really. They don't have anything. I read on a regular basis and much more books than it is news. I'm I'm not a big believer that I really need to read the news every day. It's kind of distorting it. Distorts reality too much interest. Has that ever tripped you up by kind of not knowing something you felt like you should have known known for some reason not really only when somebody asks about some esoteric thing that I really don't care about if you like all the smart people talking about like this last week this whole repo we don't have any of that in our portfolio. It really quick. I didn't spend a lot of time reading about that. I don't care the teaching from your parents as most stayed with you so my father passed away when I was in college. So that's early when you're eighteen and you lose your dad can hardly remember what taught before that but my mother was a huge role model. My mother was amazing person. She graduated from Smith in Nineteen fifty four magna cum laude and math and went to work for IBM IBM if you can believe it when she married. My Dad's got pregnant. That was it because you weren't allowed to work after that. So she stayed home but always very ambitious and she was super resilient so when I was in high school. She ran for the Congress of the United States for the Democratic Farmer-labor Party in Minnesota. So I remember traveling around and farms with her talking to these farmers and she was just such a ardent believer in social justice and fairness and helping the little person I was just she was just amazing and she lawson the caucus or in the primary to somebody and but she was just so resilient like she just kept fighting her life for the rights of people that were forgotten nor so she's just a real inspiration to me all right last one. What life lessons have have you learned that you wish you knew a lot earlier? I have no idea. I know I'm serious. I looked at this one I was just just like I don't know either. I'm one of those people. I am such a forward thinker and not a backward anchor that I can't even remember like I'm sure I made tons of mistakes mistakes but they all seem favorite motto or mantra that you tell yourself. Mother used to say tomorrow's another day. Wouldn't you have a really bad day day. It'll all look better in the morning and that is for sure and something. We should all remember. Sometimes we get really worried and just going to bed and sleeping on. It will make you feel a lot better. Yeah my mother used to have a a lot of saying you know the two wrongs don't make a right it always better in the morning. Great and thanks so much for taking the time. Thank you for having me. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope you found a nugget or two to take away and apply in your best thing and your life. If you'd like what you heard. Please tell a friend and maybe even writer of you on I tunes you'll help others discover the show and I thank you for it. I have a good one and C._N._N. Dot.

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E120: Arnold Rothstein (Special Kingpins Crossover!)

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E120: Arnold Rothstein (Special Kingpins Crossover!)

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Don't they they pay because I run a clean game. On. Three hundred. Tends to pay. Or, you know, find some other way. Make things right. Look, georgia. Maybe this is what this Cussing in person. I've got a poker game a friendly poker game. If you wanna head over a weekend talk, only, a few swear, it's friendly. It will be. I'll see you in a couple of hours. A November fourth nineteen twenty eight leader of the New York Jewish mob and notorious kingpin Arnold Rothstein. Went to a meeting to resolve outstanding gambling debt. You want me to get your gun, boss? No, no. I'll be fine. Despite the nickname 'ole hump McManus is a straight shooter Arnold owed over three hundred thousand dollars that he refused to pay. But when he left the meeting that night clutching, his gut and openly bleeding from a bullet wound. He realized his stubbornness and pride were about to cost more than even the infamous kingpin could afford. This is unsettled murders true crime stories on the par cast network. I'm your host Carter, ROY. And I'm your host Wendy MacKenzie. This is our first episode on Arnold Rothstein a criminal genius whose penchant for gambling cost him everything in life Arnold Rothstein was an Torius kingpin. So for our investigation into rusty's murder. We've invited the hosts of par cast new podcast kingpins to help us dig into the criminal underworld, we have Kate. Hi, unsolved, murders, listeners and Howell. Hello everyone. If you're interested in learning about the rise and fall of kingpins and Queen pins. You can check out our new show kingpins every Friday wherever you listen to podcasts. You can listen to previous episodes of unsolved murders as well as all park cast other shows wherever you listen to podcasts. A new episode comes. Out every Tuesday. You can also find us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and on Twitter at par cast network. Some of this nurse have been asking how they can help support the show if you enjoy the podcast the best way to do that is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. Arnold Rothstein was genius against her. And a gambler at the time of his death in nineteen twenty eight. He was one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in New York City. Let alone the United States on September eighth nineteen twenty eight he took part in a high stakes poker game with several of the country's most notorious gamblers the game lasted for three days. And at the end of it. Arnold had lost three hundred thousand dollars are not refused to pay insisting the game had been rigged against him. George mcmanus. The man who had set up the game spent several months trying to collect Arnold's debt, but the kingpin remained type fisted finally on November fourth nineteen twenty eight George invited Arnold to a peace meeting at the park central hotel to discuss some way that could come to an agreement. However when Arnold arrived at the meeting he was shot in the stomach and elevator operator found him. Bleeding in the hotel service corridor and an ambulance took him to the nearest hospital. Police followed Arnold the whole way pressuring him to tell them who had pulled the trigger in keeping with mafia protocol Arnold refused to identify his killer after Arnold died. Differing accounts of the peace meeting point, two different killers and Arnold silence. Ultimately, led to his murder being unsolved only a very unique kind of person would refuse to identify their own murderer howl in Kate can tell us exactly how unique Arnold Rothstein. Truly was anx Carter Arnold Rothstein was the kingpin of New York City in the nineteen tens and twenties. In fact, Arnold was the prototypical kingpin, the first person to truly exemplify the glamorous lifestyle of an underworld, boss. Arnold was filthy rich, and he had his hands in every. Criminal venture in New York City. He owned several gambling houses in casinos throughout New York. State and horse racing. Stables in Saratoga springs. He bankrolled Broadway. Plays government. Bribes the first running opperations during prohibition. And he was the first person to set up a stable drug smuggling cabal in New York City at the height of his wealth in nineteen twenty five Arnold Rothstein was worth over ten million dollars. The equivalent of one hundred forty five million today. He changed the public's perception of crime bosses from crude and violent brutes to our modern conception of kingpins as fisted suave and ruthless businessmen. Arnold, keen intellect privileged upbringing. And lifelong experienced gambling in the slums allowed him social mobility. No gambler had possessed before you bridge the gap between unrefined openly, violent street gangs. Upscale corrupt politicians and the heat and mystic law. Skirting behaviors of the fabulously wealthy. Arnold became the go to man for every CD element in the city acting almost as a C E O for New York crime Inc. He was so successful at treating crime like a business that reporter screenwriter and author. Leo catcher described him as the J P Morgan of the underworld, it's banker and master of strategy Arnold was so important to the criminal element of New York City that when he was murdered the city fell into unorganized chaos. His delicately built empire was broken down into warring factions each looking for their own piece of the pie, but to truly understand Arnold Rothstein and his murder, we need to understand his childhood and his subsequent rise to prominence and prestige Arnold Rothstein was born on January seventeenth eight. Eighteen eighty two in Manhattan to Abraham minister rusting, he's spent most of his life in New York City and his childhood was anything, but normal. Something's rotten with that. Boy, not hairy. Hurry. Hurry is great. I'm talking about Arnold. Oh, what did he do? This time found him standing over Harry's bed with a knife on knife Arnold Rothstein threatened to kill his older brother with a knife. When he was only three years old. It doesn't sound too surprising that a kid with those tendencies would grow up to be a criminal kingpin will. Yes. And no Abraham Rothstein Arnold. Spotter was actually known around the city as a principled and outstanding businessman heroes. Dean Arnold older. Brother excelled in school and became a rabbi. The rusting clan was wealthy and well respected. However, according to his father Arnold was the only blemish on an otherwise upright family Arnold was an attention seeker who resented the admirations people had for his brother. It sounds like a real Cain and Abel type of relationship minutes, not far from the truth. The resentment and jealousy didn't result in murder, but it did Dr Arnold to differentiate himself from his brother as much as he could he decided to get attention by misbehaving. He specifically chose to pursue the one vice that is father, particularly hated Arnold love playing dice. And he loved gambling. How many times the tell you gambling is not allowed Arnold almost enjoyed his father yelling at him when he was an adult. He said, maybe I gambled just to show my father. He couldn't tell me what to do. But I don't think. So he also told people about another motive for his gambling the excitement thrill when I'm gambling nothing else matters nothing else matters as Arnold grew into his teens in the eighteen nineties, it became more and more clear that he meant what he said Arnold began spending most of his time in pool halls and at the race tracks his academics suffered greatly. And by the time he turned sixteen he had dropped out of school completely. He ventured to the CD part of town where his gambling habits brought him face to face with the criminal underworld organized crime in New York City was dominated by street gangs in the late eighteen hundreds and the early nineteen. Hundreds but most of them were restricted to their own specific turf or area of operations, for instance, from eighteen ninety to nineteen twenty New York's most notorious street gang was the five points gang named after the five points a region of the city who's exceptionally slum? Like conditions were known around the world the five points. Ran prostitution rings ramshackle gambling ounces, and extortion schemes if you wanted to run a legitimate business, you had to pay the gang cut up your profits. And if you wanted any sort of ice the gang was your provider, however, gangs like this were geographically limited. The police were often too afraid to enter the five points, but they made sure the criminal activity was contained the cops patrol the border of these poor neighborhoods vigorously, keeping gangs confined to a particular slum the. The result was that turf became extremely valuable if Arnold Rothstein wanted to play cards or pick-up sex workers he had to enter the slums to do it when he was just a teenager Arnold pursued his cambering hobby into the five points wandering between underground gambling houses where poker and crafts could be played and smoky rooms and bag alleys there he made connections with members of street gangs who shared his love of bedding in eighteen ninety nine. When Arnold was seventeen. He moved out of his parents house and got a job as a traveling hat salesman. He worked throughout New York state. He mostly used his income to fund his gambling, Abbott. But the more Arnold gambled. The better he got at it. Even though he did poorly in school, he demonstrated an extremely skilled understanding of mathematics and probability. He soon realized that most fulltime. Gambler's didn't make their living through honest games. With honest bedstead the people in charge of pool halls casinos and racetracks made their money by fixing the odds in their favor pool hall, operators would use weighted balls car dealers at casinos would stack the decks and race track. Aficionados would manipulate the odds and fixed the race with this realization Arnold understood that if they could fix the games he could to Arnold decided he was no longer satisfied with making bets. He was going to work his way up the criminal ladder and become the man taking the vets instead. Has what the race? Yes. They missed her. I just one hundred dollars not a bad some young, man. But you're not quite in the big leagues yet. Big leagues. How much did you win? Are you? Sure, you want to know, you might feel inadequate inadequate, please. How much did you win? Oh, not much only ten ten dollars ten thousand dollars ten thousand. How can you afford that you have to bet big if you wanna win big? And if you want to win big you've got to do it from the inside in the late eighteen hundreds in the early nineteen hundreds gambling was the go-to pastime for the nation's powerful and obscenely wealthy in New York state all forms of gambling were illegal and required venturing into the slums and illegal gambling houses. But horse racing was a sport with an air of prestige. Rich had their own upscale bookie. These boxes and stands from which they could enjoy the races. The exclusive nature of these seats allowed their bets to be more easily concealed the average gambler had to deal with shadier bookies that hung around the peripheries of the track the swale both rich and poor alike. Gambled at the racetracks, the two worlds were profoundly different in this way. Arnold was somewhat of an anomaly the time he spent in gambling houses allowed him to understand the lingo of the lower class and blend in with the CD bookies. However, unlike his friends, Arnold wealthy upbringing also allowed him to seamlessly associate with the rich with this unique position and several years of work. Arnold was able to build an information network designed to help him turn his bets into sure things. Hey, kid looks like tough work you doing that could use a break, maybe ten minutes or so at this rate. Ten minutes aren't going to do many good. I didn't sit down for twenty minutes or more. I'll talk to your boss recommended gives you twenty five. Gee, thanks, Mr.. You know, these days just keep getting longer and longer I had to clean rising glory stable earlier, and it was just a real mess. I don't think she's feeling good at all. And you know, easy drifter. Install three is really irritable. The dang horse. Tried to kick me. I think they changed your feet or something. Today's been real stressful while kid you doing a real good job. Keep up the good work. And I'm sure it will get better soon. I'll be sure to check up on next week. All right. I'd really predate that, sir. The rich and poor alike. Had accessed insider information the poor bribed the working hands around the stables for tips and rumors about the horses the rich use the information they got from simply owning a racehorse to make educated bets. But both sets of knowledge were incomplete Arnold had a foot in both doors and therefore possessed a clearer picture than anyone else over the course of several years. He built his information network accumulated a larger. Bank account by making informed bets. He started to gain a reputation as a successful gambler and an era of intrigue surrounded him when he wasn't using his reputation to secure money. He was using it to pursue women in nineteen oh eight at twenty seven years old. He went to a cabaret show at the hotel Cadillac. Boy, these Dame's of something else. I don't they Arnold something else. Indeed. But look at her. Wow. She something special which one the role in the chorus line that one I think she saw you pointing at it. Good now. She knows I wanna when the show ended Arnold made a point of introducing himself. Excuse me, miss. Hey, this is the changing room. You can't be back here. I won't be long. I'm just hit ask if you'd be interested in getting a nice dinner with a good men. Good men tend not to enter the ladies changing room. Will I'm not entirely a good, man. I'm just good at certain things. I'd say you look like a real sportsman a sportsman type the names Arnold Arnold Rothstein. Oh. I've got to be honest Arnold. I've heard your name before. So that's yes. To dinner, then at -solutely. Yes. Caroline green wrote in her autobiography that when her and Arnold met. It was love at first sight after less than a year of dating on August twelfth nineteen zero nine the pair got married in Saratoga springs. The racetrack. There was a favourite travel destination for Arnold's gambling buddies shortly after the honeymoon Arnold true. Love gambling was about to bankrupt. Their finances and threatened the budding marriage entirely. We'll hear more about Ross teens near downfall. After this. I've been meaning to ask you Carter has your cat sell doing. She's doing great thanks for asking except she has a tendency to scratch her claws on my couch comfy chair and sometimes my bare leg out. That's not so bad. The worst part about being a cat owner is dealing with cat litter. It's messy smelly. That's all together. Disgusting. That's why I switched to pretty litter by pretty litter just for that clever. 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And fall of the notorious telling bizarre and captivating tales from the underworld, we tell the stories of kingpins and Queen pins like freeway Rick Ross, Frank Lucas and queenie Saint Clair along the way we will profile the outrageous people in skewed relationships behind organized crime individuals that they'd kill our other mobsters. And that's how you take care of Justice. He lives, and I'm gonna break him to Carter in. I got a sneak peek at the first episode, and I have to say, I found it fascinating. It's also terrifying. These are some scary people definitely a bit terrifying. But also informative. I can't wait to hear more episodes, new episodes come out every Friday. So don't wait. Subscribe to kingpins now wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the story. In nineteen oh nine newly married. Twenty seven year old gambler named Arnold Rothstein ran into a string of bad luck bed after bet. Arnold lost and lost and lost until his Bank account was nearly empty. He was ashamed of his poor luck. And he hit his finances from his wife. Arnold there. You are old. Hey, babe. How's Cindy dune? She's good. She's good. She told me something really interesting. What's that? She said she saw my jewelry at the pond shop on fifty second street. My jewelry that's been missing for a week. That's great. I wonder if they'll catch whoever took it stop with the run around Arnold. I know you pond it so what if I did look, you know, that if you need money. My dad will be happy to lend us them your desert butcher how much could he possibly have the lend? Well, you know a couple hundred for day to day expenses. But I don't know. I think if you had something like a business venture business venture. What are you talking about wasn't Sullivan? Trying to get you in Willie shade open a bar together. That's not happening Honey Sullivan's asking too much and Willie's both unpleasant and unstable that seven is an unstable. And as I was saying, my dad would be happy to help his son in law with something like a couple thousand if he got a little cut of the profits. A couple thousand your dad when lend me us two thousand dollars. Yeah. I was just talking to him about it. The other day tell you to get the money ready. I've got to go talk to Willie about a bar. Thanks to his wife and his wife's father's generosity Arnold. Rothstein was able to make his first real step towards becoming a big player in the New York. Crime-scene Arnold's father in law lent him two thousand dollars in nineteen oh nine adjusted for inflation. That two thousand dollars was the equivalent of fifty one thousand five hundred dollars today a very hefty chunk of money. The gamble Arnold's. Father in law took on Arnold was paid off. Big time. One of Arnold's wealthy friends from the race tracks a politician named big Tim Sullivan arranged a partnership between Arnold and a man named willy shea big. Tim Sullivan was an extremely powerful and extremely corrupt politician. He was born in the five point slums and had some minor connections to the street gangs. But instead of focusing on turf, he opened saloons and. Sued a career in politics prior to nineteen hundred nine he had served in the New York state assembly. The New York Senate and the United States house of representatives more important than all of that was big Tim's connection to Tammany hall. Tammany hall was the dominant political force in New York City from eighteen fifty three to nineteen thirty four. They were closely tied to the Democratic Party and had major influence in presidential elections. Townie hall leverage the voting power of the city's poor and immigrant communities to gain political power, and prominence. However, while the group initially served a help people in need Tammany hall became better known for rampant. Corruption Tammany often used government funds to line their own pockets forced the police to cover up personal scandals and funneled funding for public works to their own districts in order to maintain their voting base. When big Tim rose to power within Tammy he further increased Tammy's connections to the criminal element of the city, primarily through his friendship with Arnold Rothstein now Willie. I better not hear you say anything about his race or religion, or whatever the young man's genius. And you need someone like him running the place if you wanna make any money back on your investment. I just don't see how you can trust his kind him. Maybe he'll make some money, but how much is he going to steal from me. Client, really come in. Tim willie? I've got the money to grand you've got your buying Willie. You mean ten times that you that's enough Willie will take care of the rest of the purchasing price. You don't need to worry about that idea say it, boys. But I think you two are going to be very successful together. If you say, so Tim. Yeah, Tim if you say so during September and October of nineteen thousand nine Arnold him Willie went through the process of buying a bar on west forty six three in Manhattan and converting it into a discrete undercover gambling house. West forty six straight was the number one spot in Manhattan for drinking and partying as well as illicit activities such as sex work and gambling, the police were aware of the legal activity, but so long as Tammany hall got their cut of the action officials turned a blind eye for Ornelas gambling house. The man who kept it open was the man who encouraged its opening in the first place big. Tim with Arnold business acumen, gambling expertise and big Tim's protection. Arnold's bankroll grew exponentially. And over the next few years, he asserted himself more firmly onto the New York scene in nineteen thousand nine most low class gambling houses were controlled by street gangs and could erupt into violence at anytime. The extremely wealthy gamblers tended to leave the city and gamble in ritzy undercover. Casinos Arnold spot. Didn't pull in much of a crowd right out of the gates, but it attracted some low and middle class gamblers looking for a safe place to make bets however many of his patrons weren't too fond of Arnold. They didn't like is smart Aleck style of talking and they decided to set him straight. One of these men was named Jack Conaway in nineteen oh nine Jack was a successful stockbroker who also played. A mean game of pool? So you're the Arnold Rothstein. I've been hearing about we'll let me tell you. You don't look like much to me. You can't even beat me in a game of pool. I've got five hundred dollars that says I can you're gonna end up paying a lot more than five hundred dollars by the time. The night is. Jet Conaway and his friends thought they would put Arnold in his place. The two started playing at eight PM. The first game was close pony up. Mr. Rothstein, you only five hundred bucks. You don't think this is settled after just one game? Do you? We're going double or nothing. Your on smart guy. Jack pulled far in the lead at the start of the second game. He sunk shot after shot and the spectators started joining in the bedding. Looks like I'm about to take your money again. Don't get cocky with me kid Arnold managed to pocket several balls in a single turn winning the second game with an absolutely unexpected comeback. He beat Jack by a single ball. The game was on the crowd grew throughout the night. Watching these two bitter rivals play endless games, the sound of rolling balls echoing through the night the duo played until they were kicked out of the bar at four A M fueled purely by a desire to humiliate the other. Ersan and take all their cash. It was a marathon game of pool. The likes of which New York had never seen by the end of the night. Arnold came out on top. He walked away from the table with four thousand dollars of Jack Conway's cash adjusted for inflation that would be over one hundred thousand dollars earned from a single night of pool Jack Conaway and his friends had intended to make Arnold look like a fool, but instead the entire city had seen Arnold fleas Jack for a small fortune the game only served a boost Arnold reputation. Arnold's new found fame led many people to go to his gambling house specifically Arnold and Willie began to make a killing bringing in ten to fifteen thousand dollars of revenue each month. What would now be approximately two hundred fifty to four hundred thousand dollars on a monthly basis for the next year? Everything went well for aren't. Nld it continued making connections throughout the city with police politicians theater people and thugs one night in the middle of November nineteen ten Rothstein managed to bring in a whale of a Mark or a wealthy person. Prime to spend a lot of money at the gambling house. The Mark's name was Charles gates gates was the son of John w gates. The unbelievably wealthy co founder of the United States Steel Corporation and inventor of barbed wire. Charles gates entered Rothstein establishment, believing Rothstein to be his friend by the end of the night. Charles had lost forty thousand dollars to Rothstein gambling house adjusted for inflation. That's approximately one million twenty thousand dollars Arnold went home to his wife and excitedly told her about how much money he had made that night. However when Arnold showed up to work the next day. Willie and the forty thousand dollars were nowhere to be found after hours of searching the city Arnold finally found Willie drunk at our. Willie? We need to talk there. You are filthy dog. You've been cheating me every day for the past year and bloody. Well, no, it you aren't getting a set of that money from me think of it as paying interest for all my sense you hit under thirty little mattress. I'm not here for money. I came to say, I never wanna see you again that makes two of us leave and we'll both be happy. No. I need you to sign this. And I need you to sign it now to contract swearing that. You'll give all ownership of our business to me that way, we can truly be through with each other. You are a sucker aren't you? Of course, I'll sign you little paper there. Now, get outta my face gladly. When people heard about the deal Arnold abate with Willie. They felt like Willie at pulled a fast one on him. They couldn't believe Arnold had let the man cheat him and walk away unharmed. Most the and gamblers made sure cheaters couldn't use their kneecaps ever. Again. Of course, as time went on it became clear to everyone in New York that Arnold had been the smart one after all his business made three to four times the amount of money willy had stolen every year. And now he was the sole owner when Willie realized that he had made a grave mistake. He went groveling back to the gambling house. I was drunk Arnold. You can't hold them into a contract when he's drunk. I'll pay you the forty thousand. And then some just give me back my part of the business get outta here before I throw you out your crook. And a Welsh. Arnold, then expanded his wealth by hiring steers steers where people who scouted out wealthy suckers and brought them to Arnold's casino. Most of his steers were good looking women actresses and showgirls who wanted to make a little extra cash on the side. Some of these steers became more than please, they became Arnold's mistresses showgirl, Bobbie Winthrop and Broadway. Actress Inez Norton both became infatuated with the man Caroline grew suspicious of Arnold. But there was little she could do he argued these women were simply a part of his business. And that was at least partly true with the help of these steers Arnold was able to grow his wealth to an unprecedented level by nineteen thirteen he'd increased his everyday Bank roll to three hundred thousand dollars, seven and a half million dollars adjusted for inflation. Are no the began walking around town with no less than two thousand dollars on his person at any given time. He was soon given the nickname the big bankroll. He saw his wealth as an opportunity to create more wealth. And he started funding anything he thought would result in a good return on investment, if a rising actress wanted to finance a play Arnold was her guy if a politician needed a campaign contribution Arnold was the guy if a gambler needed funds to open a gambling house Arnold was the guy if a mob boss needed some money to help the police look the other way after a wack Arnold was the guy Arnold began. Opening larger more opulent gambling houses at least two more in Manhattan and one casino in Saratoga springs called the Brooks at this point Arnold was the gambling king of New York. Nobody could compete with the popular. Charity and prestige of his underground casinos. Many street gangs didn't even try to compete with Arnold. Instead they used him as a go-between nicknaming him. The man of town if street gangs corrupt labor unions had disputes Arnold became the men who negotiated peace with Arnold as an adjudicator. The street gangs were able to move past turf wars and into a more peaceful era of organized crime. He became so skilled at insuring mutually beneficial arrangements between gangs, the gangs would pay him whatever he asked in one instance to street gangs, happily paid Arnold half a million dollars to plot out trade routes for them Arnold own operations stretch throughout the city, but his influence and connections allowed him access to anything he needed from any group that skirted the law. He was truly a man without rival. Of course, all of this was illegal, but thanks to his connection. At Tammany hall. Arnold was invincible on January nineteenth nineteen nineteen. When Arnold was just twenty nine years old. He got into a situation during a floating game of crafts that proved. Exactly how invincible he was. Okay. Seven solid roll. You wanna let it ride or switch a bit. What who squealed on our location this time? One of you. Get your boys to come still pot. Nobody wants to fess up. I'll show you. What happens to thieves? Coming in like, hell, you are. Guns down. Now police shut my partner New York City. Police raided a craps game that Arnold Rothstein was playing in an Arnold mistook the cop for a robber, he fired his gun without seeing who is coming through the door and shot a cop in the arm. He was arrested and charged with a salt. But after big Tim got involved in Arnold paid a hefty sum of money. The officer dropped the charges and Arnold was set free Arnaud put his fingers in every pie that he could. But he never forgot his one true love gambling. When the man who could pay for everything would soon use his obscene wealth to make the most infamous bet he would ever make a bet against the Chicago White Sox winning the nineteen nineteen World Series. We'll learn more about Rothstein and then infamous championship right after this. Lots of people have debt some have little some have a lot. 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Clown of Wellington is so extrordinary. It's barely believable. Fine. Felonious Florida on apple podcasts at wonder. Dot com. Felonious Florida dot com or wherever you listen to podcasts. And now back to the story. Arnold Rothstein had acquired so much wealth. People nicknamed the big bankroll Arnold. Didn't just sit on that money. He was always looking for the next opportunity to make more in nineteen nineteen thirty seven year old Arnold turned his attention to baseball in the early. Nineteen hundreds baseball was growing to unprecedented heights of national popularity. It was being marketed as America's pastime America loved. It's new sport. And when World War One started in nineteen fourteen the nation needed something positive to bond over baseball was seen as a wholesome activity. Good for the whole family, unfortunately, while the great war increased the popularity of baseball with the law abiding portion of America, it also gained the attention of the gamblers the sports slowly started to turn crooked gamblers began paying off players and ask them to throw the games coaches and team owners largely look. The other way to save the games new idealized reputation Arnold Rothstein saw this as the perfect opportunity to make a profit in September of nineteen nineteen Joseph sport Sullivan, one of Arnold Rothstein associates approached chick Gandel first basement for the White Sox the best team in the league. Hey, chick even playing. Well, have the paychecks been is good as you not at all Comiskey is still the cheapest SOB this out of the Mississippi. You know, if you want a little extra money, I think I could get you something I'm not looking for a loan, especially not from you know, offense. None taken take in. It wouldn't be alone. It would be a payment all asking is that instead of playing welfare Comiskey you play a little poorly for yourself me to do that this week. No, no not this week during the World Series. How much you offering ten thousand dollars if the World Series go sideways, you'll make more than twice as much money as you make an entire year. One man can't lose a game, you'll need at least six or seven others. But if Comiskey's as cheap as you say that shouldn't be a problem at first chick was hesitant to agree. But Rothstein was several steps ahead within the week, a Battelle former boxer and Rosty personal bodyguard approached another White Sox player with a similar offer Abe offered the players less money. But with two offers coming in from two allegedly different gamblers. The White Sox players thought the fix was a sure thing they agreed to the deals and by the end of the World Series. The White Sox had lost the pennant of a loss was convincingly real to most people, and it was specially real for Arnold Rothstein who had used several different agents to place bets against a white. Sox victory. Most historians agree that aren't a made at least three hundred fifty thousand dollars on the series, if not more adjusted for inflation. That's approximately nine million dollars for fixing the World Series. Three hundred fifty thousand dollars was more money than most people would have seen in their lifetimes. But for Arnold Rothstein who had around four million dollars at the time. It seems like a small some the fact that Rothstein didn't bet. More on the fix has led many people to question how involved he was in the first place, some historians. Think Arnold didn't actually arrange the fix himself. And he only heard about it through the grapevine. However, both people who approached the White Sox were noted underlings of Arnold Rothstein. The odds that two people from the same organization would approach the same team with the same offer around the same time and not be involved with each other are incredibly slim. Mm-hmm. In the end, what matters is that the World Series was thrown and Arnold Rothstein made a small fortune off of the game over the course of the next year. Rumors of the fix started to spread in order to quell public outcry. The major league baseball association conducted an investigation into what had publicly become known as the black SOX scandal before going to court in nineteen twenty the players involved in the scandal gave their testimonies admitting to a fault how they had conspired to fix the World Series based on their testimonies Arnold Rothstein was implicated as the mastermind behind the scandal. And I'm not Tober twenty six nineteen twenty. He was called to testify before a grand jury in Chicago. Arnold rothstein. You've been accused of arranging the big fix. Do. You have anything to say in your defense. Of course, your honor. I am completely innocent. I was not in on it. I wouldn't have gone into it under any circumstances. And I didn't bet a set on the series after I found out what was underway. The prosecutors failed to provide any substantial evidence linking Arnold to the big fix and after Arnold testimony. The grand jury chose not to indict him shortly after the grand jury all the records testimonies in written. Confessions of the players mysteriously went missing the courts were forced to give up their investigation and all the players were acquitted, according to the United States court system, the nineteen nineteen black SOX scandal. Never even happened. Arnold. Rothstein will be forever remembered for his role in the big fix, but it was not even his most significant criminal enterprise. Darling. Did you see the paper prohibition has become law are your bars going to be ok, okay? Honey, they're going to be booming prohibition. Isn't a barrier. It's an opportunity I'll get boos from Canada boos from England. I'll fill the city with booze. I'll be the only one doing it. And I'll make a killing to you. Sure. This is a risk. You should be taking. Honey, somebody's gotta give the people what they want. It may as well be me. In nineteen twenty prohibition became national law banning all forms of alcohol in the nation by the end of nineteen twenty at thirty eight years old Arnold Rothstein had already set up complicated smuggling routes to import and sell alcohol. He was the first gangster in the United States to make a profit bootlegging people like Al Capone merely followed in his footsteps Arnold's gambling houses and speak easies filled. The city in his Bank accounts got even more stuff than they were before. Prohibition. Allowing him to reach the height of his bankroll at ten million dollars by nineteen twenty four Arnold's bootlegging profits had reached their limits. He sold to every speak easy in the city. And there was nowhere left for him to expand his liquor business. He also couldn't raise the prices because people would only pay so much for liquor over the shrewd businessman Arnold recognized that the business opportune. That he had created was slowly turning into a business liability in nineteen twenty five he decided to pivot towards something more lucrative. Well, if it isn't the brain himself to what the why are the pleasure you've been running boos from me for a while. Now, you know, the roots pretty well. Now, I'm sure better than anyone in the city. Good. I want you to start bringing in something else. I've already got a seller range down south, no problem. Boss. Sounds a bit risky though. Normally riskier work gets better pay you pull this off. We'll all get better pay. That's all I needed to hear Arnold Rothstein was not only the first true bootlegger during prohibition. He became one of the first gangsters to traffic narcotics mostly heroin in out of New York City, Arnold filled every street corner every Speakeasy every casino and every Broadway show with heroin. As he expanded his drug network. He took on promising young proteges and showed them their way around the business. These proteges were men like Meyer Lansky Charles lucky. Luciano Dutch shoals and Jack legs diamond each of these men control dozens of underlings and dozens of street corners throughout the city and their collective influence would eventually stretch across the United States Arnold Rothstein was above them. All and he was the one who prepared them for the day. They could become kingpins in their own rights. It wouldn't take too long for that day to come. Arnold downward spiral began in early nineteen twenty seven. Caroline. What are you doing up so late? I know what you've been up to. I'm tired of it. Can't this wait til morning. Maybe save it for the therapist. I pay so much for couples counseling. No, it can't wait I'm done with couples counseling, and I'm done with you. I wanna divorce Caroline had grown tired of Arnold his years of sleeping around with younger, women and flaunting his wealth in front of them had made Caroline sick of him. Arnold, refused to get a divorce, and because of his refusal to divorce was never officially finalized. However Caroline's request for a divorce signaled the beginning of the end for forty five year old Arnold Rothstein. For decades, Arnold luck had paid off handsomely. Now, his luck had turned sour he began making mistakes and sloppy bets losing more money on gambling than he had ever lost before his wealth was so expensive. And his sources of income. So constant that is gambling losses didn't significantly diminish. His Bank account. However, the losses were psychologically, taxing and indicative of how much mental energy the divorce proceedings were taking away for him over the course of a year Arnold made increasingly poor decisions which culminated in a single poker game that took place over three days September eighth ninth and tenth nineteen twenty eight. This particular poker match was the poker event of the year. Everyone who was anyone was going to be there, including high rollers from the Pacific coast. This was a much bigger deal in the nineteen twenties. When it took around ten days to travel from coast to coast, some big names at the match where the Boston brothers. The Solomon brothers and read Martin low all of them are known for their poker prowess on the east coast, but they were largely in. Significant to Arnold story. The west coast gamblers were the ones who really changed the game. Nate Raymond was a poker player and gambler from California who had been making a name for himself, fixing Pacific League baseball games. There was also a man in Titanic. Thompson Titanic's real name was Alvin Clarence Thomas, but he liked his nickname so much that he often introduced himself as Titanic Titanic was a famous gambler and hustler known for making extreme bets on absurd. Things too many the stories they heard about Titanic where reminiscent of Tom Sawyer antics. The only difference being that Titanic was a real person. Even the story of how Titanic earned his nickname sounds like a gambler's folk tale. He bet a man two hundred dollars that he could jump lengthwise across a pool table after setting up a mattress to cushion his fall, he sprinted towards the table and flew over. Without ever touching. The felt the bet ruined. The man saying Thompson had sunk him another patron responded by saying that Thomson sinks, everybody at that point. They decided they should just call him Titanic because he was the real sinking tragedy from that day on the nickname stuck Titanic like the scale of the name and those who met the man agreed that it suited him. The last major player was George hump McManus who set up the game in the first place a hump McManus was a gambler with many family connections in the New York. Police force one of his brothers was even a Lieutenant in his local precinct because hump had arranged the game. He took responsibility for making sure people paid up. It was more than just making sure the money was placed in the right hands Homs reputation was at stake with all the major players present Arnold, Rothstein Titanic. Thompson, raymond. And George hump McManus. The game was ready to begin. Looks like five hearts. I'll check. This is high stakes fellas L check as well. I'll raise two hundreds call two hundred boys are off your rockers, I'll fold I'll have to fold as well. Show him boys. I've got a flesh. Good luck beat net. That's a nice trimester Steen. But a flush don't beat what I got full house. The game continued for hours and after several breaks for sleeping it eventually stretched to three days much, like the marathon pool game that had earned him much of his notoriety. Arnold Rothstein refused to concede defeat on fortunately for Arnold the longer. He played the more. He lost the deal of the cards began to take on a strange pattern three of kind flush every time Arnold got a good hand a hand that would usually be a winning hand Titanic Thompson or Nate Raymond would have a hand that was just lightly better. You can't beat me. This time boys. I've got four of a kind. Sorry. Big guy oil flush. That's it you filters. This game is fixed. And I ain't having it. You can leave anytime you want so long as you pay. The game is fixed. I'm not paying any Reuss three hundred thousand dollars better pay up or you're The Wilshire you'll get nothing from me when Arnold left. The fact that he refused to pay a bet became public knowledge. The legendary gambler Arnold Rothstein was proving himself to be a major hypocrite just to make it clear. Arnold rothstein. Was right. The game was fixed. Alright everyone's expecting me to fix this thing. So if I win at a look incredibly suspicious, but if I win they'll be none. The wiser exactly I'll stack the deck in your favor as well as I can you, and I we're going to fleece these east coaster bags, especially that Rothstein character. We'll milk him for all these God. It's unclear as to whether or not George McManus was in on the plot to rig the game in reality. It didn't actually matter. George was responsible for people paying up and if his players didn't pay new players would never take part in Georgia's games in the future his reputation was at stake and his livelihood along. With it George initially thought he could get through to Arnold and eventually convince him to pay. However as weeks went by it became clear that Arnold wasn't joking around George had to make it clear. He wasn't joking around either. George. It's on. I'm here to talk. Hey are no come on in. Oh. What's he doing here? He's here to talk just to talk with the rest of us conversation lasted for a short time before. On November fourth nineteen twenty eight Arnold Rothstein was found bleeding to death in a service corridor of the park central hotel. He had attended a peace talk with George McManus and got shot. Instead, the police and an ambulance showed up to take Arnold to the nearest hospital as they rush through the city streets. They tried to get as much information as they could from Arnold Arnold. We need to know you could die any minute. Now who shot you my mother did it other tailings of the stories say Arnold responded with another line you stick to your business. Stick to mine and still another telling says that Arnold simply put his finger up to his mouth in the universal mafioso. Sign of silence death before the dishonor of snitching what he actually said her did is up for debate. But the point is that he refused to tell the cops who had actually shot him. At ten fifteen a m on November fifth or according to some sources on the morning of November sixth Arnold Rothstein died from the gunshot wound. The only witness to the murder who had any motive to be honest was gone from this world Rothstein murder. Shook New York City the city's biggest kingpin a man with a hand in countless legal and illegal operations was dead. Unfortunately, the investigation was stunted by corruption from the police department the district attorney's office and every branch of the judicial system corruption that was spurred by a key suspects intimate ties with the police department in the case of Arnold Rothstein murder. The lines between politics in the underworld the lines. He worked so hard to blur would come back to haunt him from beyond the grave. Join us next week as we dig into the trial of George McManus the life and possible murder. Motives of Dutch Schultz and one historians intriguing theory that Ross teens murder had nothing to do with the infamous poker game at all. You can find unsolved murders and all of park has podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play cast box tune in and your favorite podcast directory and new episode comes out every Tuesday. And if you enjoyed this episode, you can find kingpins wherever you listen to podcasts with new episodes every Friday, you can also find us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and on Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy the podcast the best way to support us is by leaving a five star review wherever you listen. We'll all be back next week to finish up this investigation. Thanks for listening. Real see you next time. 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Lost Tracks: Nazareth Speedway

Pit Lane Parley

29:16 min | 11 months ago

Lost Tracks: Nazareth Speedway

"Uh-huh welcome to another episode Tain Parlay Welcome to a special episode of Pit Lane. KARLA WE'RE GONNA call this First Episode D. We lost track sedition. We're going to start with my home track in Netzer speedway and I enjoined by one of the guys from these. Save Nazareth's Group here with Tim Sullivan. Tim Thanks for joining me tonight. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate you reaching out to be from You know so for those who may not be familiar with is located near me about an hour and fifteen minutes north and Tim Tickets through Steve Founding in the real old school of What was then called Nazareth national speedway all right right So I'm not sure how many people actually no There was actually a horse. Track closer in the the middle of town back in the eighteen fifties Sounds like your old style you know. Of course I think it was like a mile milers half-mile but it was around. Like nine thousand. Nine hundred are so they moved out of town to where the site a where the track is right. Now in the bill a half mile track and that's currently like where the giant in in all those stores are a a on one ninety one and two forty eight so they didn't actually start Auto races until about nineteen ten so in those were like those like motor Polo. I don't know if you've seen some of those screen shots or they were the old like tractors. I guess if you will and it was like water polo or like a horse like the that we're used to seeing in booth polo stick and you're driving around in a car. You're smack balls around. I didn't last very long but the note that was. Actually yes. It's funny. I'm just reading my notes here wikipedia calls at Auto Polo Ended it actually drew a crowd of at the time which I guess is pretty big in ten thousand eleven thousand people which is pretty substantial for kind of a rural area in northeastern Pennsylvania. Yeah so gone. A bit further down The I like large raise was hosted after after world. War Two BY TRIPLE A. IF I'm not sure like a lot of younger people are of course saying younger. I'm not that old either either but a lot of folks that don't know about AAA and other things that they used to do like that back then and then and for a large race was about thirty cars or so in a crammed in with eleven thousand people or so. That was a pretty big that back then So a second track was built in nineteen sixty six. So that was the larger one mile BURTT was actually one one eighths the odd length. But you'll probably know that there was actually two dirt tracks there Jose oval at and. Then there's a smaller half mile. Sounds Bill Sixty six. which is the current ration- in early Exact location of that track So like during the during the a A one thousand nine hundred sixties. That's when the bigger track hosted like you sack events and whatnot and it was actually. I think it was in in sixty six. That Ellen Serbia Mario so like the big big time hero you know was beaten out out by someone. That's not from the area so I'm sure that was a for for a fun thing to watch. Yes it's funny Everybody a associated with the track with the ANDROID. Obviously since they will now pretty much all lives down the street or nearby but Alan Sir is actually the guy who on the first USAK race. They're big names like Alan like like a Was David rudiments. Dad buzzy rude. Yeah Yeah like you had this old school names that like l. a.. People think about it because they just go. Oh it's Nazar has got to be ready right We had the large oval Closed down around nineteen seventy-one but the smaller tracks stayed open. That hosted your weekly dirt nights stuff like your like your modifies in your life. Your legends sort of stops that went on on while that track was closed in it wasn't until nineteen eighty two where the were both tracks were purchased by a local businessman. Blendi Cardi already. A lot of people know that name but that was like a local up. PA Guy That he has attract promoter and whatnot so he he bought both tracks but sadly with running both tracks that gets quite expensive so in eighty seven a it was a seven that does purchased by Penske and then the large over was paved over was actually slightly shortened and and then paved over in the small oval was sold. Elaine Co which for those people that don't know about lane cotswold grocery store. Chain for as millennials. You may or may not be old enough to know about that but like after that was paved you handler like the the Nascar Busch series in the trucks will and modifies. They had carte Obviously so then I'll ran pretty much up until it closed in two thousand four and then you know the track was Paul also as Penske was getting out of the track game which they own which he own Michigan and auto club and so it's like Houston only get out of that and he was starting to sell those off so he actually sold at two. I C which is your your international speedway corporation bloomer. Hatim that's up up the US oppose so as like the big expansion was happy with Nascar. You have these. Bigger corporations is biology tracks. And what they would do they would go. Well there's a market somewhere else so as opposed to having somebody else owning compete. We'll just by encloses says he had to happen to tracks over across the US so they actually moved. The Nasdaq dates Watkins Glen. And I'm sure there's some people that may not know but those stands on the front stretch or actually the stands that I used to sit in when it was here. So so it's Kinda like kinda frustrating when you go Glenn like those stands don't belong here kind of like the general rundown of of like what transpired so you know there's a big tracks like Indianapolis that you know that's been open since nineteen fourteen or whatever. Yes there's always binny's track here will whether it was in town or smaller drove lord larger one lights lights There's always been something there as kind of you know. It's kind of sad to see when I was born in ninety one. So that's that's where my dad took me. I lived up the street so I could hear it like I was not even like a mile away as cart was there. I'd go outside like Michael's well here. Michael all excited and you know but we don't have that anymore sadly so yeah I'm sure people on the show of heard me say a abundance times. They used to run around the grandstands while my dad was still working for car but it was such a cool facility Some of my notes that I'm going to share with with everybody here attract when it was paved was actually advertised as a one point. One two five mile track again. Just like the track I'm sorry a one mile paved track but the actual measurement was a l. less than a mile so teams figured out how to really get good field strategy there and once it was officially measured it was actually point nine miles so and not really young not quite a mile although it's essentially the same thing and the I. R. L. In the last rests on two three years of the track Used a measurement of point. Nine three five for timing and scoring although NASCAR car kept it as you know one mile until two thousand four and I do always laugh. I don't particularly As everybody knows pay close attention to NASCAR but when you see Watkins Glen you see the standard really familiar. Remember before I first time they were up there. The grants were there. I feel a little sad. Dad was the first place. I saw any sort of racing in one of the first tracks in the northeastern area. Another track ET AL cover in the coming weeks is Trenton speedway which is also very unique. Very very unique he can vary early. Nineteen hundreds tracks of another one. That's kind of a forgotten area By both the open wheel and NASCAR standards in today's world. But obviously we have richmond coming back next year which is great Let's look at some of the winners here as pretty cool Danny soul than actually one in Iraq race. Here as you mentioned Al Unser won the first USAK racier. Mario Andretti won the second USAK. Zachary's here something no was the old Marlboro challenge us to run run. Their back was delay eighties. I think it was like the Big Lake is basically the all star race but cart. Yeah it was Those were those refund races to watch which If you can find them online they're they're definitely good Let me ask. Let me ask you a question here. I'm GonNa this is typically something I do to my co host but let mrs you can Guess here the only person to win the race here in back to back years would be. What driver would be nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety man? Dan I don't I don't WanNa say now for some reason I was GONNA say Little Al but that's that's not right you'd be incorrect on that one I honestly wouldn't wouldn't would know to be honest so now it's all good I appreciate all your insight on the on the earlier of the track here. I know I didn't tell you that this would be going on beforehand. Dan Did I. It's actually Emerson Fittipaldi. Who wanted with Patrick Racing and ninety one with penske Nigel? Mansell one here. Paul Tracy you see one the Twice at Nazareth and then The late Great Dan Wheldon won the final race here in in two thousand four. Let's see some interesting notes. Be Two thousand race was actually. I believe the week after the indy. Five hundred because it was postponed due to snow. Yes yes I remember that year I was supposed to go and I think plus Elliott in April and like the whole the whole tribe governs no and I didn't and the being able able to go because then my mom went and stories issues like yeah. Yeah we went and Michael crashed or whatever and then like she's like crashing flames or something. I wasn't actually there so I don't actually know that crash happened but I was like Oh man and you know just had snow in April that would that'd be very common for the for the northeast of those who aren't from the northeast Like Tim and I. It snows really weird times here throughout the year but some other notables Again another unfortunate late great driver. Greg Moore won in the cart indy lights days Roy Swan in the Cart Art Atlantic Championship Christiana Demata. Let's see here rob. You'll everybody's favourite. Mike Groff won twice year on indie lights. I think GMAT will get a kick out of that one because I brought up his name a couple of weeks ago and I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong here. But this was Scott Dixon's first I win in two thousand one or resists second ever on a Salas's I could cook as I remember on facebook when they were her car was doing like I. I don't know those acidic to Scott or if it was deleted as general events throughout history but they streamed that race on facebook live. And I'm pretty sure I way back then. It was pacwest racing Matt's favorite driver Elliott Casher. NEVA's one there in two thousand three the second so last year and and See Bobby Ray Hall another semi East Coast Ish favorite one in Nineteen ninety-two. Let's see who on Michael. Michael Andretti won the year. I was born that's Nineteen eighty seven for those keeping track at home Let's see here. What else we have? We had some. We never had NASCAR whatever. It is like Cup series was back then but we had the busch series in some of the the truck. serey yeah there was no I think it was Kenny Wallace. I don't WanNA throw one of the bus but I remember there was a race. I think it was him and he was there and he was complaining about it. Being five turns does sound for it does sound familiar millier. I don't know either It probably was Kenny walls because he says a lot of ridiculous things but I don't I don't recall And if you follow Marco Andretti you saw a more recent picture of Nazareth which is kind of depressing but I will find that and put it on our social media four when we released the episode here But the trek looks like it's probably never gonNA come back but I'll We'll end our short. You know lost track. I lost track segment with Tim. What do you know about a what's currently going on there and be? How can people help out the save? Nazareth Earth's speedway group are so. Here's here's lowdown. Let's see back in September of twenty eighteen. Gene it's been actually just over a year. I started a petition and just as as a disclaimer. I never really Believe that I was actually going to do anything I've got. Some flack online from like any car. Read it and stuff. They're like oh just because you make a petition. Does that mean as GonNa know actually happened unlike it was always meant as a focal point of people's voices to go. Hey the we all believe in this day okay. So I started this petition. First not as a means to bring the race track back to life and being bring racing because I I always fell fell not to be morbid but I didn't really think it was going to come back so I I mean as a by myself and I wanted to have I racing scam track like if something was going to be something good was going to come out of this. I wanted to at least have it for virtually saved for as long as there's the Internet that somebody could could at least enjoy it in run a virtual car and at least kind of feel you know the ups and the downs and like five turns like doesn't really happen on over right now So that kind of like took off like the first few months. Few thousand people signed a personal friend of mine. I bought a a copy of the deed to like read through it. Just understand all the INS and outs and I I still have a copy of it and the clauses like so in-depth of like. You can't do anything that's related to motorcycles. Anything that has an engine in it like it could even be go-carts like they won't let anybody run a Go-cart as long as there isn't a ticket to spectate a go kart like it goes as deep as saying that you can't sell racing memorabilia like you can't sell video games have racing on that property like they didn't want anyone to do a damn thing with nothing so that was always like like the big hurdle so like when When the current owner bought the track you know for Sam people calling him on the phone? They're like with all these ideas says like. Hey let's do this. Let's do that and I call them on the phone and I was like hey started this petition. Got A few thousand people signed it like I know nothing's going to happen but I wanted to bring this attention and I felt like there was some sort of confusion. Maybe not save being older. Does that but being the computer age I wasn't quite sure. There was a disconnect of being like. I want the races game video game or racist videogame. Can we scan it and he kind of took it as like. Oh we're going to have to clear maintain it like. I'm not going to spend the money for that. It's GonNa be like five hundred thousand dollars. I was like I like like a volunteer group or something just to kind of do Adele. Juniors do Rangers go the lawn Mower Lacquers or whatever like of course is going going to be a bit more than that but you know just to get fresh enough. Were young going there. Do we need to do and just let it go so like throughout that that year. A contact Steve Myers and I kind of feel bad. You know about Steve Myers. He's the guy that was kind of the face of IRA saying basically and I've probably hit a chord because throughout the times me or somebody else around me or just somebody else has spammed him about about scan Nazar skin as an points like. Don't even talk to me about it like I already looked into. It can't do it. Don't care whatever the case so that's Kinda Kinda Kind of upsetting. But you know I. It is what it is so like through two thousand nineteen. I kind of let it go for a bit because I was getting burned out like I was the only person calling all these people calling the owner. And I'm like I can't do as a result says let it go forbid and then add a nowhere like February so people started contact me and they're like. Hey that person that made petition. Now's like yeah what's it's up and like yeah. I feel strongly about this. 'cause I wanNA join you scalise things and I was like sure great. I mean it. It was hard enough doing a by myself. Sure so we went through all the rounds. You know we we've reached out the MARLINS readies business manager. We had some back and forth with him on that You know some people of the Ingenio Jedi families you know reach out to the page in saws posting Ness adjust and basically out of that. Front it just kind. Anna gave the impression that they felt like the community abandoned the track in some way because they were noting about Pocono. I know and like Oh you know. The fans don't support Pocono and it seemed to strike some court of if people didn't go the Nazareth. You know like people certainly did go so I don't know a Understand the disconnect of of where that support may have not been nor may have been there but that was sort of the feeling from some of the members are not going to disclose any sort of names field. That's not good but you know it's a seizure only should at sort of a whoa is me like you know like like were you people then sort of thing and I always stress. I'm like I'm in my twenty S. I was a teenager when that track close so people like my age that are Kinda like rallying around me and you know sort of all I born in the late like like the late eighties early nineties like we were children like a it would have been our parents to stand up and you know do that. Then now it's Our turn so like you know we reach out them and we spoke to different people in the community and we as far as we got was does we we we we reached out to. I think it was the American like Motor Sports Association or like the United States Motor Sports Association. I think is what it was and basically what. Doug a nonprofit and they they work with owners that WanNa like like do something racing That WanNa do something related to Racing whether it's it's like they own a track and they wanNA bring something back and they want to build something and they kind of do a cost. They like inspect affect the market around them and see like gale. Take much to build this much to repair or whatever and then come up with a plan and go. Okay here you go. Is that what you will cost is how much rejected the make. So I got as far as reaching out to a source to where if the current owner really wanted to know how much it would would cost which. I'm sure he probably did. Because you know he bought it. So I'm sure it As a business planner and you know a business owner would do. I'm already did that. But that was certainly resources to us if if I could like point them together and go hey guys talk like he could have reached out to to them and and they could have come out and inspected the area and go. You'll caused nailed this much money to repave neo rebuild. Whatever but that's kind the ball's in his court so as far as that's kind of where we are? The only really really new thing was that that which I find interesting. There's been a few articles that like Mario. You know he went to the track. And a somebody coaxed him out and then they walked around down and it wasn't a name drop but he did kind of hint at Lake you know. Hey guys like the this is. This is gone Mike. Why are you still doing this? Like support the tracks that are still open. Which yes I agree supported supported transversal open? But you can all you can do both but you can still want to bring back something that you care about. Also the same time as make sure things that are still alive stale like I never understood this notion of let it lay Complain Law of Dogs Lie. You know so but especially with pocono being off the schedule will. It seems which I don't necessarily blame the community like I do. Four of the Hammy Racist. That came back and there. There's plenty of people. There is Nascar Pack Field but I me answers any car like there's plenty of people. There's I'm not quite sure of if it's like northeast staying or or whatever but The the final thing I'll know is that the current thing that might be the thing about is that since I S C was bought out by NASCAR and there was that merger. It might be interesting to find somebody in the NASCAR community. Any maybe be like Don't junior or something to where he has a voice with them that you could make the point that now the legal ties that bind that property or now with NASCAR as oppose I ac- because now because they merged because that's so if you really wanted to go go to nascar now and be like hi you know maybe Dale Jr. wants to bring back northward. Squirrels scamper I racing. Whatever like there seems to be some sort of grassroots S. roots movement that that might be the only hope now is going the NASCAR like you know the fans are complaining bounds on short tracks? You know we want more of unique ovals because he has a mile and a half or signing to get boring like there's something to be said we just need a voice tach to it so we'll see what we can do. I love man. I will put a link to the Public facebook group in our itunes. Show notes here and along along with some pictures and stuff I will on our social media but Thank you very much for joining us in our First recording of a a lost track type segment. We'll be doing plenty of these throughout the off season to keep everybody entertained in bringing you guys some some new content. Tim Thanks for joining me. this evening I look forward to seeing how everything progresses thank you. I appreciate you inviting me. How I'm always happy to talk about my home? I'm tracking anything that can help do something with it. I'm all in for. Google will have a great night man. I appreciate your help. Thank US well sir.

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Episode 104: Minor Party Candidates For Comptroller  Attorney General

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Episode 104: Minor Party Candidates For Comptroller Attorney General

"From Amityville to sleepy hollow. From the ghostly Rapids theater in Agra falls to the curse Dakota building Manhattan and right here in the Oso haunted. Borough of Brooklyn is five PM on Halloween, and it's time for maximum fee. Your interview in call in show about the policies politics of people and people of New York City and New York state. I'm Jared Murphy from city limits dot org. My co host Ben max of Gotha dot com is not in today. He is out either cavorting with the dead or being a better better father than I and actually going trick or treating with his with his child collect to ban on the candy score. So we'll be with you for the hour. Just me solo. But with several friends we are about a week from election day less than a week from election day. And there's ample reminders around us of some of the stakes involved in politics, we've been discussing on this show, and and elsewhere you have the mailing of bombs. You have. Horrible shootings with a clearly Anderson medic bent to them. There is a report out about the extent of homelessness among students in New York City. We have new warnings about climate change and the president talking about birthright citizenship, and while not every one of these issues is framed in every race, we've discussed certainly it is all part of the political picture that we tried to give you on the show. There are a lot of elections on tap next Tuesday election day, November six there are a lot of candidates in the mixed. We have tried our best here to give you a taste of some of the different views that are on tap on your ballot by having as many candidates as we could. And we're gonna continue that idea today by having a sort of a speed dating round with five candidates from some of the statewide races. Three candidates running for attorney general from the reform libertarian and green party and two candidates for the post of New York state comptroller from the greens and from the libertarian ballot will be. Talking to them briefly about their plans ask a few questions and then move on. They it is to give you a taste of some of the choices. You have. You've obviously heard on this show from the Republican and democratic nominees for attorney general for comptroller, and from many of the candidates for governor all those actually except for governor Cuomo himself the democratic candidate. But I believe we have our first caller on the line. We're going gonna welcome to UBA is max Murphy show, Mr. Marc Donelly degreen party candidate for New York state, comptroller, Mark, welcome to the show. So talk to us briefly can about your reasons for running for this post, and what qualifies you to oversee the state's massive two hundred nine billion dollar pension fund. The big issue. I'm running is about the issue of climate change. And as you pointed out, the United Nations just issued a warning that we have years left to take dramatic worldwide. Unprecedented action, if we want solicitation as we know it five climate change, even the New York Post seem shook up by that report and treated very seriously. A very simple step, which I've been working for the last five years or three fifty dialogue, which we've managed largely at New York City to do is to divest the state pension fund from fossil fuels. We've had thousands of the last five years agree to do this seven point two trillion dollars, new state controller won't do it won't be with us. So I decided to run against him report came out recently that it'd be a domestic ten years ago when he first to office the pension nature twenty two billion dollars. So it's both morally wrong to invest in the destruction of the. Planet, but it's also a bad financial decision. A decision that Princeton supporter, stay controller. Thompson Jill who's been every four to Napa Alie has repeatedly stressed we need to get out. Why these stocks have some value at the same time last week, we had the acting state attorney general decide after three year investigation to sue Exxon for lying to the world. But typically to the investors about the risks posed by climate change. So here we have the controller trying to defend that I wanna keep a billion dollars in Exxon. So that they'll hear my voice. I don't know what they're hearing. Why the attorney general is saying they have the frauded the investors including the state pension fund, and they need to be helping intially cannibal interns, my own background. You know, have a law degree graduated top of my class with the as a science and management. Ran nonprofits were thirty forty years statewide, I'm one of the few former elected. Fissures in New York state who can say that every year, I was elected office. I cut taxes on one of the reasons I did that was I used the techniques learned in the nonprofit field put everything out to bid and one thing that occurred was the county democratic chippers in my county went to prison for two years because it turned out before I became the town board member he was skimming money out of the town insurance contracts when I put that out to bid that became expose. I've had a record of going after corruption. I started the New York public interest research group as a law student. I wrote the law that gave taxpayers right to sue for legal expenditure taxpayer funds and many of the reforms at town to Napoli have been willing to champion on how to deal with things like ecconomic development and open government rashly things that I worked on twenty twenty five years ago through the hunger action network in the Piscopo policy institute. So talk a more about divestment because controller Thompson happily who has been in office since early two thousand seven he has. Has announced recently and did complete divestment of the state's pension funds from the private prison industry. But he has not as you said embraced divestment from carbon related stocks. What's the rationale that he gives to that? Explain the difference between the two because he argues the one hand we should not be using social considerations to make policy decisions. Then he did that with the private prison of now. I support the best and from private prison prisons, but it's inconsistent to make that and it also turns out the woman at the controller's office who is leading the fight against vestment when she recently retired. Was he was rewarded with a three hundred thousand dollars a year position on the board of one of the major fossil fuel companies in the states. It seems like it us, you know, conflict of interest that was occurring. He argues a shareholder advocacy. I wanna get my billion dollars worth their stocks. And and go work with Exxon. We're like we'll Tom fifty years shareholder advocacy has never succeeded. And in fact, since I started working on this campaign. I've discovered both that is all these resolutions are only advisory and in fact it. Illegal on the federal security Exchange Commission rules to actually pass or introduce a resolution say to keep Exxon to keep eighty percent of its fossil fuels in the ground. So why he continues to persist wish your older advocacy? I mean, I I knew that we probably couldn't get legislature to pass a Bill forcing Tom to act because remember Tom was actually state legislator and appointed by the state legislature. When heavy he was forced to to resign. So I knew they protect them. But I hope that if we could get fifty legislators to co sponsor a Bill to require state to divest from fossil fuels that he would wake up and do it. Well, we got fifty legislators to co-sponsor Bill, and if anything he, you know, drags speed on it. And in fact, he tends increasingly to actually you're typically talking points of the fossil fuel industry who increasingly profile him in their annual reports as responsible voice against the best, man. So like, for instance in this. Debate. The second debate was heard that I was excluded from you know, he says, well, I'm not going to divest because people are still driving cars. So it means that people haven't really committed to stop us and fossil fuels. Well, that's not really proper response. But one of the responses that he gives an other opponents development for he'll say, look, the chief job of the comptroller and the pension funds is to make sure all these hardworking former state employees get their guaranteed pension benefits without tapping into the tax payers to do it and that private prisons were few million dollars here there, you're talking billions and billions of dollars, and he's fossil fuel stocks, and it's simply unloading them and then trying to maintain the risk, balancing and the returns. And the pension fund is is fairly complicated. Maybe impossible. What do you say to that? Well, I will ask you just made my indexes it really isn't a whole lot of decisions. But as I stated earlier, if you know there have been studies that have had the best ten years. Ago. The state pension fund would have an extra twenty two billion dollars. So he's every single beneficiary on average about twenty thousand dollars by refusing to divest. I'm who is the acting. Stay control for the state has put out several studies said, yeah, you know, if I also was a good investment ten years ago. But for the last four years, they have underperformed every other part of the, you know, the Wall Street market, and when the world literally has said your product is killing life on this planet, and we're going to debate. Whether we're going to get rid of you in five years or ten years or twenty years, but we're getting rid of you. That's not a good business plan moving into the future. We did get New York City two years ago, the divest from coal probably people should be suing New York City and New York state for taking so long to divest phone call. Because by the time they divest. It wasn't worth a whole lot. You know right now. Exxon still has some value. But that is increasingly knock going to be the case, especially with more and more litigation going after them, you know, for the destruction they caused by driving climate change like hurricane sandy. But also the fact that they lied to the public even though they're scientists told them on the lies about the risk posed by climate change. They have huge financial liability from all these losses beginning to pile up. And the world is saying we cannot burn your product any longer. How is that? A responsible financial decision to continue to invest in something which the world has said we have to stop using this product. And also in all the. You know, actual data shows that the value has been decline in the last four or five years. We are on we're line with Mark Donelly. He's the green party candidate for state comptroller. Mark, let's say you are elected, and you go ahead with divest from fossil fuels there, obviously cost divest from other products to from farms manufacturers and companies that have bad labor records and people involved in any way in pornography or some of the calls and other states. How will you decide ultimately the funds gonna earn own stock in companies, and those companies are going to have let's say complex moral footprints? How do you decide what you stay in? And what you sell off. Well, I mean, you're supposed to get eight to eight point six percent rate of return, you know, on your investment now to be honest onto Napoli has been to three percentage points below the statutory requirement though, you know, he hasn't done. He's done worse than the rest of the pensions in the country. Not a whole lot worse. So I I we continue to, you know, make sure that we invest in things that attorney profit about for instance, I recently had a meeting with the head of the woman who runs the state energy department these days and one of these she pointed out wasn't in Europe. It has been the public pension funds that have driven the development of washer win that is why the gold mine was the Long Island is acid being developed by European when companies and one of the things that you know, these hedge fund which invest in washer a win, you know, they want, you know, an eighteen percent rate of return. So if we can invest in something say like washer win and get the eight point six percent raid returner APIs into we want. We can still make money, you know, for the state. But are there things that you know, does not make sense as a public policy matter for the state to continue invest in when I be willing to examine that. Yes. I would like to get, you know, a little stronger representation, you know, from the labor. Groups on some of these issues, they have a very strong role in the New York City pension plan. So I like to see more of that model at the state level. But I'm willing to consider other social considerations. You mentioned certainly we probably should not be invested in weapons manufacturers. So that is all tabby hadn't afraid, Mark. This is kind of a speed round. But thank you for calling in. That's Mark Donelly. He is the green party cat it from patrol. Thank you so much for joining us. Mark, good luck. Next tuesday. They jarred and up next moving right along we have the candidate for the libertarian party of the same office for New York state comptroller. You just heard from Mark Donelly, obviously, the democrat running for reelection as Tom to Napoli his Republican challenger whom you heard her a few weeks ago as Jonathan tricked. And now we have on Mr. Kruger Ghalib at who is the libertarian candidate, sir. Welcome to maximum Affi. Thank you here. So who tell us a little bit about who you are. And while you're running to be the the state's top financial officer. Well, I my background is in in corporate finance Wall Street back in the day. Had it got a MBA from Columbia, then went to work for General Electric Capital and worker private equity fund and now and now I may an entrepreneur starting a business called big overt or which. We hope to make a makeup explains with. And I still real estate and the reason had decided to run for this really the last libertarian libertarian since the seventies and kinda got discouraged. But then the last presidential election. We had we got three point six percent of the presidential vote. Which is amazing if we get five percent of that pushes up north federal funding situation. So we become you know, kind of recognize third party Vegas third party in the nation. So I think the nation's for party came sharp running for governor for your and that coming out of my laps look staring because of the guys guys really good. You know, tickets are our message. So well that I wanna do anything to help him run for governor and controls job. And I call it control and gonna comptroller control like in the private sector. You know? I think it's. It's one of the crimes of that is is how much power the control has on a front to doing pension fund and control answers knowing so I don't like that. I might to six that is best. I can not sure the exact solution. There's no order fifties. Overseeing it right now. So that basically gonna make squeaky clean, so absolutely no, no chance of of corruption graft. That's interesting point, the the city's pension funds, and there are five of them separate ones for like fire department retirees the cops and teachers, and and general government -ployees each of them has a board of directors. You know, some public officials some union members are union leaders, but the state pension fund, it really is just the comptroller who who over sees them. And and as you mentioned that is that's quite a bit of financial power. Yeah. Well. Tell me about being a libertarian, and you know, we had Mr. sharp on a couple of weeks ago for you. What is that? What does that mean? Exactly. Well, freedom comes first all across the board. Whether it's in the bedroom, or whether it's you know, or or whether you know, the size of government. The more government have lots. You know, I recognize never going to achieve jeans, and it's eighty proposition. But I think our goals are always be toward toward toward that goal. The the business of government. Put itself out of business. Imagine a world where we really don't government. That's that's you know, that's my dream. But it's it's also unattainable. That's where that's where. Every should be directed toward. How can we do the size of government? How can we empower people to, you know, take over the control of their lives? What do you think of the performance of the incumbent controller or controller town Hanks control? And and from what I understand he's done a decent job. He's he's putting some controls to prevent the kind of corruption that happened with the with the Brier controller, and so I think all always doing good job. The pension fund is one of the better ones out of fifty states in terms of of being close to covering. It's it's liabilities. I guess up in the ninety percent range, but you know, should be hundred. You know, why didn't trays pension fund that's covering ninety percent of its benefits. Anyway. So that that, you know, I I don't think he's back in troll. But I I think you know, a reason you remove for me is just a change. Thanks. He's been there. A long time. We don't know what's going on. I'm not saying he anything up. I don't know. He's he has complete control over the pension fund. So. Know, sure. And and we need to change we need to break up at the wobbly, this this democratic Republicans wealthy that's been running this country running the state for years and years and things don't get better. We need third party. So people are gonna vote. Especially in New York. I mean, if Republicans voted libertarian would give us a lot of power because you know, the Democrats are so much control New York. What kind of a waste vote stage. So one of the things that people talk about when it comes to the pension funds. You have this enormous pool of money at the state has to invest to get returns to pay their retirees with and money is power. And the question is how you wield that power of some of those investments go into New York state industries with the idea that that's supporting the business climate here. And then there's always the question of whether there are places that money should not go whether the state should divest from private prisons are from carbon related industries or for firearms manufacturers, what would be your approach to that. Do you feel as though any of those considerations should guide got investments? I think in general the the pension should be invested. The the best return. So I I would advocate and no clinically influence on where the money's new best. You know, I'm certainly not adverse to to directing money away from from what I consider not good invent where we're not socially conscious investments or not desirable. What again, I wanna make a squeaky clean engines on fun. So sweet he cleaned that. I really don't have that. It's one of the best practices of vesting for the best return for for the tirees. So we have just a couple of minutes left with Krueger gall at he is the libertarian candidate for New York state controller if you pronounce my KMart comptroller parents like me, so talk to me. I mean, this obviously Napoli is is favored in polls. It's up to the voters to decide I think it's safe to say that it's unlikely that you would win the post so what? Are your goals going into election day? What would constitute a good showing for you? And for the party. We the party. We need fifty thousand votes to to get over the top for becoming registered. Recognize party in New York state that way. Job easier on the next next election. So that that's certainly goal. I think I I don't know the latest polls. But I think Larry Sharpe's generally so much jazz. I think gee that easily. So so yeah, we're not gonna win. Say some last minute surprise it somehow getting over the top. But but that you know, that's our goal is to get up. Message of libertarians get out the message that that we third party and don't waste your vote. Both for us, even even if you don't agree with all our positions, you're bound agree with some of them so shop. Well, thanks very much for giving us a shot. Krueger gall at the libertarian candidate for comptroller. Good luck next Tuesday. And thanks for calling in. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. You're listening to maximum Urfi on WBAI ninety nine point five listener sponsored non commercial radio you're coming to you from the studios here on Atlantic avenue in Brooklyn less than a week before election day, we're doing some speed dating with some of the candidates who are among your options on the ballot next Tuesday for statewide offices. You heard from Mark Donelly green for come stroller. Just then Krueger GAO at a deliver. -tarian for comptroller. And now we're going to hear from some of the candidates for attorney general the other statewide race. That's out there on this program. You've heard from Keith wafford who is the Republican nominee many months back. We heard from Letitia James who was the democratic nod for that office. And now we're going to hear from the Reform Party. Can't it. Joining us on the line is miss Nancy sleep wa high man, welcome to maximum fee. Thank you for having me. So tell us a little bit about your background. What brings you to this race? Well, my background is I'm gonna Turney for over ten years in New York. I I had a a solo practice initially following law school where I concentrated mostly on criminal defense and family law and following that I've been in discovery, which is like a field of litigation, and you know, but, but I I would say what kind of Rodney really here was for over ten years. I've been working with homeless animals in New York, and that's been just more of a passion of mine. And actually, that's really like the cornerstone of my my candidacy promoting animal rights, they wide. So talk about how the attorney general's office, which is very interesting office a lot of power, but really can't be shaped greatly by the individual stamp of whoever has it. How would that office lend it so? Self to defending animal rights. Well, I I was having. For one for one example. I think that you know, I mean, my platform definitely is having no kill shelters now. In terms of there are contracts there's actually a contract now that's going through New York City to attempting to be passed which would continue the the city run shelters through animal care and control which is a kind of a quasi city organization management. And it's about to have a thirty four year renewal contract. So anything like that would make absolutely no sense to have something that is going to carry that far into the future. So so having a hand in in that where number one there's different offices related to oversight of contracts. I mean, the I I don't even the idea that there's even a contract that would go thirty four years. It's kind of ridiculous particularly site on scene. But then really putting your your input in regarding. That where it's if you're going to be having animal welfare animal care, and you're not focusing it primarily on saving and preserving the animal lives, then to me, it's not really very well focused plan of action. So there's no reason that you are you know, that you need to continue forward with that. There's no reason that you have to do it. It's much more just having a an appropriate direction having a focused, and certainly someone to to lead the way on that. I mean, and even in terms of like the prosecutions against animal offenders, there's there's very sort of dismissive nature in all of the law in terms of people who committed abuses against animals, and that's something that can completely be reined in because the laws are already. They're they're on the books. It's just in terms of focusing on that. So the idea that people are being dismissed summarily because of this idea that well, you're just. Committing an abuse against an animal within statistically shown that people who are offenders against people start off as being offenders against animals. You have an ability to, you know, hit something the forefront before you start getting you know, sort of input on society. So there's there's really an incentive to try and leave the way on things like that. And again, this isn't even implementing new laws or or needing to have that done. To have that done actually holding all of the different, you know, attorneys offices. The the district attorney's offices to the to these offensive. I mean, someone's brought into there's no reason to give them a slap on the wrist and let them walk away. So that's some of the things I would I would say in relation to the animals so just to play devil's advocate, and I guess some of this might echo some of the dismissal you're talking about. But some of say, you know, we have tens of thousands of people at homeless shelters. We have an epidemic of domestic abuse corruption with public officials and their aides going to prison seems weekly among all those problems animal rights seems to rank relatively low in terms of what we should be thinking about what's your what's your reaction when someone says. And certainly that's not the first time that I've that I've heard that. And I do think that it's it's not to the exclusion of other things, but it's more of a particular focus. So so for instance, you know, even in terms of corruption like, I am part of their I am part of the Reform Party and one of the biggest platforms in the Reform Party is having term limits, and you know, like so like that right there. So I believe in the concept of term limits and also the idea of really getting people like civically engaged and involved. I mean, I was in court yesterday. I was in sat down supreme court for a case related to the New York City ballot and the ballot layout is so completely confusing. And it's almost like it would be easier to figure out if you can legally. Park in midtown Manhattan, and it would be voting for the candidate on an appropriate line or or just a setup up the ballot at self. They have to pages they already introduced it. Instead all the -ticipant that it's not gonna work. Now, you're talking about this and franchising voters at the exact moment in which they can present their input. And I was there to say this need actually be brought this cease to be brought back you need to actually redo the ballot. You need to actually set it up differently. And I had the New York City board of elections with nine attorneys on the other side of me, presenting a case, which is more or less on behalf of voters and people and just and just kind of getting out the awareness for voter engagement. So you can sort of see how a lot of these bureaucracies can really be overbearing. And I mean, again, they're they're being paid for a taxpayer dollar. So again like in terms of bringing back to like my animal. Issue. That's my focus because I definitely want to bring attention to that. And from a an overall perspective, many people throughout the state, the majority of people in New York, they own animals, and the majority of them are against, you know, kill shelters. So if you can bring home one particular issue in one particular area and start to set it up on the right course, and and actually set like a, you know, a good standard. I think that you have a lot more hope in other areas. I mean, the attorney's general office, unfortunately, in many ways, it's very circumscribed. Like, you can't just, you know, do whatever you want to do. So even some of the candidates who are running for office, like the Republican and democrat and a lot of claims on I'm going to be filing these suits against Trump, and this and that like, you whatever feeling they may have the legitimacy of their ability to do so. And then also the affects. Even if they were able to do so like, there'd be no chance of them bringing back anything to New York or benefiting New York or them winning. So to me that's a lot of political grandstanding to begin with. So, you know, I I don't think that there's a lot of substance behind what a lot of the candidates are saying, but if you can actually start to hone in on one particular area that's not done correctly and really start to set the standard. I mean, the staff of the attorney general's office is I mean almost three hundred attorneys. I mean, there's enough people to do it where I think you can really make a main go to issue, really, meaningful and powerful and resonate. So we're on with Nancy Steve Waugh, she is the Reform Party Kennett for attorney general, and I'm curious just taking the animal welfare issue to be a little more more broad if you're the attorney general for the entire state, one might wonder New York state has a lot of dairy farms at has several horse racing tracks these are areas where some advocates have said. There is a different form of annual animal cruelty than you see in shelters with people of using animals on the street or their own pets. Do you think that if you are training, you would want to look at animal welfare? A more broadly. Yeah. Absolutely one hundred percent. I I mean, again, I I know that from a very very broad perspective. Like, unfortunately animals are just subject to so much types of abuse from just being in the the the food to being experimented onto to being just considered by law property, so there's really no rights. No one can really fight for them. No, one can really defend them. There's there's really big vacuum in terms of that. So the other areas. Absolutely, I agree with and I do I I mean, I'm aware of the the issue with the horses the horse racing. I personally I'm not on board with that. I don't think that you should be really really utilizing these animals and that type of way to begin with. But again, I think that's the point if there's really no standard set up where they are just viewed as property consistently. Then you have this sort of continual elements of abusing them, and every sort of way. Like, I mean, even with the idea of homeless shelters. So when women who are, you know, you know, fleeing an abusive situation, and they go to shelter. The fact that none of the shelters will take any animals that the, you know, the woman the family have. I mean, there are actually people will stay in an abusive situation because the shelter just hasn't, you know, come to the mindset that well, gee, maybe we should allow these people to bring their animal, which in many instances is going to actually bring a lot of comfort to them. I mean, you see animals being introduced into schools, you see them being introduced into prisons nursing homes like there's so many ways to integrate them in really meaningful types of scenarios. It's just that New York's really like behind the times like so even even with the idea of rat control. And there's there's this consistent element of putting down poisons to attack. The, you know, the over abundance of rat. Which is like, you know throughout all of this throttle. I mean, I'm sure throughout parts of the state as well too. But just to say, well, why would you be putting down poisons when they're actually does exist? Having cats who live in colonies who take care of the rat. It's like a natural deterrent, and we're quite behind because states throughout the United States have implemented it this into programs in their system, and they're actually funding it, and they're very successful. And they've been able to avoid a lot of these issues. So the fact that every other day, you know, there's a ten million dollar program of Radic radicalization. One area, they're just randomly distributing poisons. And and putting them in parks where kids play where people said where we're pets are being walked. I mean, we're birds are interacting like there's just very little, you know, like advance sort of thought in terms of what are the implications of this? And why would you not take the road of that on the path of least resistance if you could when the? Turn. It is is these options, which are actually costly dangerous. So, you know, it's just more of a realistic approach is stuff. And unfortunately, I think that that's kind of what happens when you do have a lot of the two party system. Type element is like third party candidates like myself, obviously, it's very tough to get even airtime. So first of all, I really appreciate the fact that you're having me on here. But I was with one of the other candidates running for attorney general at N Y spectrum news about a week and a half ago trying to say, well, how come you know, why we should be included in the debates for the attorney general, and it was at the same time that the two major party candidates had decided to back out because they were showing solidarity apparently with the striking workers. And we said, okay. Well, then in the alternative will why would you not have us on at one time at a different day? They and then all of a sudden, the two candidates change your mind, and then they had the debate yesterday, and we weren't included. So I mean, it's it's very tough to make headway in in terms of a lot of the mainstream media. But I think a lot of the public is is pretty hip to that already. An and they also look elsewhere to very glad we have you on. And actually, I'm going to let you go because we're going to bring on I think one of your fellow third party Kenneth for AG, but Nancy sleeper from the referring performed party. Thanks very much for coming onto UBA. Thank you. And let's turn quickly now to another candidate for attorney general we're going to hear now from Chris Garvey? He's a libertarian running for that office. Mr. Garvey, welcome the WBAI. Thank you very much. So who you who you are? And and why you're running for this office. Okay. I'm a patent attorney, and I'm running again, I last ran in nineteen in two thousand and six against Cuomo because the libertarian party asked me to run, and I believe in the libertarian principle, and it's a good way to promote the principle. And it's possible. I could win in a five way race where I'm the only pro gun candidate of that. And the anti gun is all split their their vote. There's a possibility there. So the libertarian principle is that people should be free to do whatever they want except to initiate force threat of force or fraud against other people their property and laws and regulations should be tested against a libertarian. Principal law has another purpose like banning hemp. So that big oil companies didn't need to compete with these loyal, which is by the way, CO two neutral. If you believe in what warming, I wouldn't enforce that law, and I also wouldn't enforce laws that violate the constitution. So talk to me about pro gun if you were to win the trainer office. How would you use the powers of that office to to pursue a pro gun agenda? Well, I certainly wouldn't prosecute anyone who was designed was arrested for a a gun possession or carrying charge or knife possession or carrying charge, which is one of the one of the abuses that New York state has been doing and particularly New York City, New York City police had a tendency to rest people were carrying ordinary pocket knives which were too easy to deploy. Because you could grab the blade and use the weight of the handle to swing the thing open. Then it snapped opening locked you're carrying a gravity knife or a switchblade, well, which is the safest knife man on a mass can use as a as a sailor who spent quite a number of. Hours up mass rocking around. It's nice to be able to hang on with one hand and deploy your knife with another pulling out of your pocket been all safely up the mast pull the knife out of your pocket. Click it open at lock safely now, you can use it to to accomplish the task released a lot close it again put it back in your pocket, but you can't do that in New York state legally because it would be considered a gravity knife. So moving away from from sailors knives for second back to guns not prosecute anyone who was accused of criminal possession of a weapon. If that's the only accusation. No, I would not. And in fact, I would soon to the state of New York to involve invalidate several laws one of them. The Sullivan law the Pataki gun ban, the New York safe act, and and the knifeless the knife ban. The Sullivan law was designed to protect muggers because big Tim Sullivan was a gang leader. And the way he would win his state Senate seat in. In nineteen eleven before was he would go into the democrat club with his gang members. And they would beat up all the opposition. And throw them out the windows, and that would reduce the number of opponents in the building and he would somehow win his nominations Handley. And then he would go out to the Senate. Well, he was having a problem in that people knowing what a bad neighborhood, they were going into would arm themselves before they went there, and they were shooting his supporters who were Roberts. They made their money by by mugging people. And I think he said something racist like it's getting so you can't even shakedown at dago shopkeeper fresh off the boat without getting shot. And he thought that was outrageous that as a Irish Protestant that he should be able to disarm the blacks the Italians and the Irish Catholics and that was the purpose of the Salvator now. He the the law made the police chief the sole arbiter of who got license and the police chief in New York happened to be in the pocket of big Tim Sullivan was an corrupt and those days. And so would you support? I'm curious. How far you're not goes. Are there any weapons that you feel a person in the United States can be barred from possessing poison gas nuclear weapons things like that. I routinely fire a cannon on the village green in Huntington as part of it or or Nachman, you have to be very careful with that. Because even though you're not Firelight firing a projectile is on death of about seventy five feet in front of the cannon barrel. But no, I don't think most conventional weapons should be banned from from people the purpose of of the right to bear arms is to arm, the the militia and the who. Was the militia New York state under state law and in the United States under federal law? The militia is all able bodied males between the ages of eighteen and forty five or not in the military or in the organized militia. So the unorganized militia is everybody. And that's that's what the legal definition is. We're all we were all we were in and I'm over forty five now. So I'm I'm not in the unorganized militia, but the purpose of that laws so that we all have weapons, so we're invaded. We can shoot at the invaders. If our government goes bad on us, which which are founders realized was always a possibility. In fact, that's that's why the checks and balances of the constitution were so elaborate to prevent that sort of pure from from rising up on a posed the people can overcome the government if there are enough of them, and there and most of them are armed now. What what does this mean if you get into a situation where some crazy guy goes? Massacre somebody will in Israel. When somebody crazy goes to massacre Israelis or somebody who's are terrorists. Those demand massacre Israelis with a gun. He doesn't get very far he usually get shot by some arms billion. And so they don't do that in Israel. And that in fact is what happens in the United States. If you wait for the police to arrive to stop a mass shooting, you're likely to have most more than seventeen people dead. Whereas if you if a citizen stops the shooting at something like to people that and if it's an unarmed citizen, it's like two point six people dead, and if it's an armed citizen. It's only like one point two people dead on the average. So the best solution to mass shootings is to have so many armed people around that it doesn't make sense to shoot somebody mass shooting. Have mostly been the successful ones. If you prepared successes killing a lot of people have mostly been in gun free zones. And of course, New York City for practical purposes is a gun free zone places. Like the Empire State building or pretty well guaranteed to be free. Because none of the spectators are gonna have guns there and school shootings will most schools are gun free zone. So what better place to bring your gun and shoot a lot of people gain a lot of publicity? If that's your purpose so gun free zones or bad thing and New York state. A lot of New York state is a gun free zone and the one place where they actually require everybody to have a gun is the place in New York state where they have the least prime. Because why would you try to commit violent prime again, somebody that might be armed? It's dangerous in Florida. They made it possible to get gun licences about seven or eight percent of the people had gun licences as more and more people had them. Filing crimes went down. Carjacking was a big problem. Once people were armed carjacking went down except that they had the Z's on the rental car plates. And so question is just sitting in New York City. We do have various gun laws here and the murder rate has dropped precipitously here over the past twenty years even over the past five absent the introduction of any new right by citizens to carry firearms. How do you explain that? Well, some of it is funding by the police, they they don't like to take reports of murder and violent crime. So they will discourage those reports of murder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've been several stories on NPR about stuff like that. Where somebody tried to report a crime and police didn't wanna hear it. But that's don't do that in other states where they have unrestrained in laws Guiliani setup this this sort of audited policing system, which was a good idea because it enables are keeping honest testing. That's able the police to figure out where the crime is. And concentrate the police forces in those areas, and that may be partly responsible for the reduction in crime it may indeed. Well, we have to say goodbye to Chris Garvey, the libertarian candidate for Torney general, Mr. garbage, thanks for joining us and good luck. Next tuesday. Thank you and. Burton. Thank you very much for doing the show. Thank you. And now we're gonna welcome the fifth and final candidate on our speed dating program of maximum Urfi. This is Mr Michael susp in. He is the green party candidate for Jenny general, Mr. Sussman. Thanks for joining us. Great to be with you longtime listener so feel sorry. There would be station. How are you doing? Well. Thank you for listening. You don't know who you are tell us who you are. And while you're running for attorney general. I've been a civil rights Lear near state for forty years and Harvard Law School graduate nineteen seventy eight went to the orbit of Justice civil rights division when that department decided that white men with the most endangered group decided to leave the end up Lacey pe- national office, where I was in charge of much litigation between nineteen eighty one and eighty six including the Yonkers case, which I started litigating turns housing school cigarette. Gatien patterns in nineteen eighty one started my own law firm focused on civil rights law race sexual harassment will forms of discrimination in nineteen eighty six had my own practice since nineteen eighty six focusing on those areas, and increasingly environmental despoil, ation and degradation in New York state. So I'm running for general very simply because both political parties in states need express. The do believe corruption. I believe that the democratic candidate has essentially jumped into bed with Mr. Cuomo or put money, I think Republican candidates no experience in court public loss been a corporate lawyer last twenty five years, I think the attorney general should be an active with Gators. I have been for forty years now that all basic areas of law able to lead attorney general's forces six hundred seventy two orders and -firmative where the Gatien dealing issues of our state, not simply defending reckless state agencies. I would radically alter the way turning general's office does business I would mediate negotiate and embrace restorative Justice solutions and many of the cases that are now being litigated over the years. Protracted by years, I would focus the attorney general's office on protecting the public health and safety of our citizens and residents. On helping individuals who are selling, for instance, get jobs because discrimination against them as against state statutes, I have a broad program for anti corruption in the state, which would feature giving our attorney general your she started to extirpate corruption from public affairs in our state, which thirty now does not reside turn general New York, except when delegated by the governor, which is an absurd ironing. Let's stay there for a second. I don't trouble important point in. It's come up in the debate. So often this among candidates because of that because the governor is the one who under the current setup has to give the attorney general authority to probe corruption. How do you get around that given that I'm assuming if you were elected attorney general the governor is someone you'd be taking a look at? Well, I think it would be such a revolutionary earthquake green party candidate one. I've been campaigning all around the state. I find tremendous support walking the communities I walk and expected to very well. Next tuesday. I think if that were to happen mandate for me or whoever whoever was elected, but it certainly if I was elected mandate legislative change, which which rested with the attorney general the thar take to both investigating prostitute political corruption, and it's a great irony in New York, currently every major case of corruption whether it be silver scale of Samson per cocoa. Whoever is brought by Donald Trump's Justice department. I don't believe from t-shirt James change, nor do I believe for a moment that Mr Wohlfart change that I think they would go along with that they talk about corruption, but they have no program deal with you need massive campaign finance reform in New York, you need a program in New York, which says the attorney general has RT that has to come to the legislature passed by the legislature. The governor governor vetoed it, I think the governor could be impeached. Tranquil don't think would happen was passed legislature. And you need a very vigorous program, we have paid a place. Route state. This governor is taking a hundred million dollars nine years. Eighty five percent of which is come for major corporate interests this James now slid over and his taking the same kind of money, Mr. Mr. Wolford comes from corporate background, and his obviously taking that kind of money limited my contribution to one hundred dollars per person, no money from any of the corporation. I'm the only litigator in this race was any significant experience in federal state court case. Scream court of the United States three hundred fifty appeals federal appellate courts state appellate courts this state needs. Someone who is prepared and ready, Linda gate major cases against the Trump administration and against state agencies, which won't follow the war. And I've done that. Forty seven hundred African American Latino workers with being denied promotions in New York discriminatory promotional Zams. I'm the one who stepped up represented them got that exam. Stricken got them. Forty five million dollars school children in Yonkers being segregated beating segregated against the -scriminate against generations. I actually got three hundred million dollars to radically make the Yonkers public schools. These other candidates, quite frankly have records that that Trink that. I don't care what party. They are. He's turning general. The New York should be an independent individual not behold, we the political party. We only have a very limited time left. But I want to ask the issues of race particular has comes to the criminal Justice system. Come up a lot in discussions around. How the turn general's office might be used you have a lot of experience in that sphere. What would be your top priorities in that regard? If you're elective. What would be the top Virgen in terms of reforms the state needs most important. Thing that has to happen to me is two things detail of form, and there has to be much greater accountability. Sentencing. Those things are not really within the bailiwick of the attorney general and people talk about this. They are frankly, just just talking we have to have a program in New York that's enact legislation that stops pudding day on individuals who have committed minor crimes who actually then served much time waiting trial they'd ever serve. They will convict. You have to have an aggressive program of bail reform in the state. That's one. Camping, but we have so many profound issues in terms of the school to prison pipeline right now in New York state. We have students in every major city less than ten percent of that position grades three to eight and nothing attics in English. That is a prescription for perpetuation on exactly we've had generation generation New York, which is tragic outcomes. Very young people fought too, many call him up in system described you need thorough realistic overhaul those details systems change that. I started doing that. In Yonkers I think I have the ability, but I'm not running for governor, Mike for Torney general, very general has to job on these issues. But veer she does not have under dental sponsored -bility for these institutions and anybody running who says they do is falling themselves. Well, I'm afraid Mr. I can't believe up with time. But we are coming to the end of the show. So I have to say body, but thank you so much for coming on Michael Sussman. For attorney general, thanks so much. You've been listening to you is max Murphy show or a week from election day. Make sure you check out voting NYC if you need any information about where to go to vote you can go to WNYC WBAL maximum fee page gothic visitors city, limits dot org. Check out our voters guide. If you want to be part of our special two hour live audience election night show. Go to city, limits dot org Gotham because dot com to RSVP. That's next Tuesday five to seven PM right here in Brooklyn love to have you part of with the part with us and just want to say as a closing note last night. I was at a vigil in Riverdale the Bronx for the victims of the atrocity in Pittsburgh. We are speaking by the state of political discourse in our country. Obviously, those are huge issues beyond anything. Really we've talked about here today. But I hope that by having this array of you points. We've started to. 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"Johnny Good Morning Warning. TV Birds almost you know they played well. They've played well. I essentially I was very happy with how they played They're getting on defense. I can vary played. Well offensively we they were strapped because they had They've they've lost all their offense to punch other than earth and that's pretty obvious. Two two teams are playing and listening to additional running back so never hamstrung. And when you're when you're missing starters things just are are a little bit more rocky. No you have to cut back playbook a little bit. You can't do the things change you'd like to do. They ended up losing In addition they lost a two tackles during the game. One early in one way You know so. They're really banged up on offense and but you know A family member was texting with me during the game and was criticizing Carson Wentz and he's he's been Carson Wentz critic for a long time and I just I finally I said look I can't I can't touch. Let's with you any more just so wrong that you can't kill even you know I can't. I'm not getting old this anymore because you're so wrong it's the discussion you're wet. You're out way out there so If you think about some of the games this year and the drop pass is in critical situations. Could've you could add last night. The mets no sooner had my relatives techniques that went in the final drive at this to open receivers that he threw that beautiful. Pass the end zone that hit. I believe it was out for yes. Angela in the hands not catching he was kind of catch. Yes the kind of catch these guys make make all day long. I watch I watch football all day. Long you know should have been made and it makes take of the of the I guess this tweet certain went around the country The man who raised burning building and they were throwing babies out of the building children out of the Dalton and the guy said we galar. We were catching them. It's one of the funniest yes actually. I don't know did he ever did they ever get him to the game actually was I was actually supposed to come to the next. Yeah it's supposed to come to the jets. Got Him tickets and everything. Yeah so So you know people say well like I love the people who who who comment on you and I or semi Three messages or twitter messages. Or whatever and say you know. Let's all racing show. What do you talk about football? Four four and it's it's not just a racist show. This is more than just the racing show. We're in we're sports fans. We'd like all sports and will you and I happen to share a love for the Eagles and so it it makes our conversations very natural and The things we're talking about our everyone feels that pain when their when their team loses and they understand what we're talking about so you know I do enjoy enjoy hearing from people who say they look forward to our discussions whether we're crying and whining or or cheering and voting. You know it's it's what America does in the fall slash winter especially in the east and and whereas And if you don't believe that try try planning something other than a super bowl party on the final on the first weekend. There you go cam- many people show up so you know same way anyways I I was. I was happy with the way they play. They're they're a little bit behind the eight ball but you know what this. NFL season is so long and so- ruling things change in a hurry. And I you know. They're behind the cowboys behind. Eight ball really as far as catching the cowboys but he goes pop border schedule. They've got Seattle this week. which would be a tough game? But after that they're in good shape and that's not true the cowboys this cowboys have a tougher schedule. So I don't know that they'll go much further and winning the division but you never know you no no well while we're on the topic and and you know we can incorporate sports into this too. It was during. It was during the game in yesterday that I subscribe to the choir and a choir send out the alert that billlion had passed away at eighty one and suffering from Alzheimer's and has beloved a sports columnist as there was in any a major American city. The last forty fifty years and the guy who was really a us a special read He you know he made any topic engaging and really did he confronted. He confronted the Alzheimer's with great courage and Grace and Philadelphia. This morning undoubtedly we just feting billlion. Citywide I have to agree with you. Stevie just you know Bill Murray is my sorry Tim. Murray my favorite sports writer but Bill Lyon I was Familiar sports writer. You know because he wrote about Philadelphia sports for so many years and He was I was such a crisp lighter Not Flowering Very I don't know how else miscavige said. He wasn't flowery he got to the point point and he was checking at humor and he was very personally he. He liked to bring the story to a personal level and and you liked both with his subjects with himself And his his book Deadlines and overtimes overtimes collected writings on sports in life. You know it's just great sports writing and because it's about Philadelphia Sports. It means so much more more to me because I spent you know this. This is my home and And the things he was writing about. I you know I'd suffered through or you know or celebrate within At times you know and his battle with Alzheimer's was unique in that. When he got the diagnosis he decided he was gonNA write about it? And you know the Alzheimer's if you read these columns which you can get him on You can access many of them on inquire DOT COM I mean if you Google built Y and Alzheimer's what whatever now if any if we know if you know anyone or in your family I do who had Alzheimer's It it's such an insidious terrible horrible disease And hearing was you know he talked rb. Jackie wrote about his diagnosis. About hearing your words and about his reaction to I mean I I read you this going in in the winter of twenty thirteen February cold deep the cold both the I sat one of those cramps and stole little examined cubicles goals independent memory center and listen to the man in the white lab coat asking fine. New Alzheimer's was set by inches. I said and you have it. He said I'm pretty sure. The world stopped at that moment and then there was a warning. Sound like a freight train barreling through my blame. I sat there frozen. I remember thinking What a crummy job is guy? Got So me and from this point. This was his first column on Alzheimer's he called it out. He gave it a name and I guess you've had it for three years years before he was finally diagnosed with it. And you know the the columns continued the loss of his wife and being in any Nursing Home finally and and you know he talks about it for thirty. She said four thirty for meals. He said he'll keep better watch out because they come running. He said those those wrinkly those wrinkly time woman said they may look harmless Sharpeville. The only talks about that talks about being nursing home and how that was always present and but they talked about because there was an empty chair table for dinner and he knew I was calling So yes he was a sportswriter but understood that I'm trying to think of the line. Where one of his great wines sports I can't remember exactly what from but I remember it. It's related to him either. Oh he either hits his disciple of has learned is from or he fought is specifically said this who was who is the sidebar. His men he mentored people in Sports is everything and sports. Porch is nothing and that really is true. I mean you know in my light. Exports has been everything Whether it was going out to play when I was this you know a kid in the street. Sports kept me out of trouble. Sports kept me occupied. Sports gave me self-esteem Places introduce me to people a AH expanded my arrive. Let me escape Tough spots sports was everything to me and then later on in life sports again was my light horse race while people don't WanNA argue. Yeah well the gambling games their business industry but it's a sport. It is a sport. And if you don't believe that thoroughbreds are athletes. We've got an you've got some missing parts coming in from Detroit. He's our greatest athletes in the world So sports has. It's always been everything me and yet they are times like you. Now I win for heart procedure on Lindsey last week. I think it was Wednesay the day's Kinda ran together there for a while. Walk and you know before you go. In it was minor. It was not minor thing for them. It was minor but for me not minor you know like I said I'd like to say it's a long way from my heart. It Ain't it is my work so you know When you when you are in that position or family members ill he realized sports? There's nothing like family love at a grandchild. My God not one experience. This has been which you will. You will get to experience in the near future unbelievable And I cannot describe describe it all. The words in my pocket are meaningless. I can't describe the feeling anyway. Those those are important. Sports isn't important but but the rest of the time and sports are everything. So don't lie in Rate Sports writer but person and human you know and you wouldn't think that calling someone human is a great compliment. I I gotTa tell you the word human meaning not just that you're a human being in which we all obviously are but they're here to Maine is really important. It's a good quality to have its Anyway Bill hadn't written for a while obviously but He did a great the job. CHRONICLING HIS BATTLE WITH WITH AL and and You know we're we're role GONNA face these issues and by reading by someone sharing and not just someone but someone you've known you feel like he's known for thirty years you know We feel like you re read this this this person's thoughts every week every you know twice a week or whatever over I feel like you know them. So here's this person sharing his most intimate experiences and hopefully he did it because hopefully it would help other people and helping other the people we need a little more and of sermon sulfur nicely. Exactly exactly I'm GonNa send when a link the there's there's a page the both the enquirer and the pen memory center have have featured with all the comms but I also want Aside from you know his his writing about Alzheimer's Emmer he was he was nominated six times for Pulitzer's sex and So you need to read. You need to read his sports writing and You know he he is yet another the the office top of my head. I'm not gonNA think of them immediately. But there there's a there's a pretty good tradition of mid Westerners coming to major metropolitan areas and they and acerbic communities like like Philadelphia and and being just perfect. Then just having the right tone and if you if you and I started reading him you to literally when I was at probably it was probably maybe it was. The eighty has got to be the early eighties. I I believe I believe that's when he started and you know along with didn't with the rate didn't juror and and you know so many They the acquires had and the Daily News had just a tremendous parade of of top level. You can't it's funny Philadelphia's he's not a place where a guy is gonna come in and fake it. The you'll last about ten minutes. So yeah he build the line Just GonNa be. He's just being lionized appropriately. Today give give you want you know if if you can buy his book. It's really good reading election. Yeah it's not all about Philadelphia. Sports he what about sports to his this a paragraph from a column you wrote in Nineteen Eighty one It's called fat chance and Paradise State Live Paradise Island silence bombers Paradise Island Bahamas to describe Muhammad Ali as merely fat and forty is not totally accurate. He will not after all forty until next month as uh-huh for the way well he tries to camouflage that with Volpi loose-fitting sweatsuits. They must have come off rack of the nearest maternity shop. Eh He is not here. Here's one is actually a couple of air about horse racing. I don't know if you do. I mean it's okay to do this of course by the book we should tell. I'm going to send a link. The the book is called deadlines and over time and It's out of this world. Okay here's a smarty Jones. which background obviously? He was the Philadelphia products. What's he was? He was our horse. He was this city horse and ten thousand people turned out to watch him Gallup one morning at at Philadelphia Park which is now parked So this is the column about Belmont stakes at the top of the stretch. He was in front by four lengths. And you assure the triple crown was his after all. He had never ever allowed another horse to pass him. This fierce and invaluable little tiger but on this day they had pack count all the way around the track jackals nipping at wounded prey pressuring wrestling and pestering. They had impressed from the inside and from the outside they had forced him free wide early and they had never permitted him to settle the comfortable rhythm every breath. Every stride was contested. Still he would hang on wouldn't he. He would run as duck down and he would win anyway. Wouldn't he racing. God wouldn't be this cruel would fifty yards from the finish. The late running bird stone. The thirty six one shot who had hidden in the shadows. The unthinkable he overtook Smarty Jones serves passing with powerful round. Go pinstripes he won the Belmont stakes. He left the splinters of shattered dreams scattered all over Belmont Park Mark. He ruined the Smart Party. I mean that is that's that's perfection perfection perfection and I guess as a writer as someone who's who's written a weekly racing column for the last twenty five years roughly awfully. That's some good writing. That's really good right. And that was that was his his skill as you said six times You're not nominated for those so those kinds of honors unless you have some what okay. What are the kids say? Mad Skill got mad skills. Yeah Yep now I'm glad I'm glad We had the opportunity in such proximity To talk about them and with somebody you know I mean I could reach reach Tim Sullivan from the globe. And I'm sure sure Laden to Irish Tim I mean any any of those if knack were alive I mean anybody at the highest level. He it was one of the one of the guys that that other. You know top sports writers. If you if you if you took a survey you know who do you. Yeah Yeah who who. WHO's writing? And you mentioned Jim. Murray Murray obviously and you had to say what you you going out to California you that was uh. That was fortuitous. Two large degree. I mean you got you got Got Plenty of Jim. Murray sorry I end up dead now go ahead. One of one of my favorite memories in racing people You know ask you. What your forty one of my favorite memories that was wet beyond the years publicity guy at Santa Anita and and I was I was recruited to Pick up Jim Murray. Because he couldn't see was going blind. The pickup Jim Murray and to drive him the meat Lafitte ties for lunch. And so I had lunch with Laffite. kyw and Jim Murray. Because there's around the Santa Senator. What around the big cap and Zimmer was writing a column about the big gotten from the La Times and for me as a young some fan you know okay? I was starting to work but I I was in love to be sitting there with my favorite sports writers since since high school and married syndicated so I got the rhythm once in a while in Philly tapers and then when I got California you know twice twice a week or three times a week. Whatever it was So there I was with my favorite sports writer and one of the greatest jockey of all time. And one of the classiest guys around and here I was this kid you know especially out of college I couldn't believe my good fortune. Of course after a drop your Mary off I was an unfamiliar area and I ended up being in the wrong way and one of those diamond lane things getting on the freeway and I got a ticket but yes yes. That's that's one of my great one of my favorite memories. I was probably nineteen. Eighty one Yeah I was I was. I was a colgate and one of the great pleasures for those that. There's is a certain group of people listening. That'll that'll will not understand this at all. One of the great pleasures was the library and one of the reasons. I wasn't a great student. A colgate aside from the you know the extracurricular activities I was involved in the colgate Maroon and the radio broadcasting testing. And all that and the decals you'd go to the library and by the periodical section of the periodical room. There's newspapers from across the country and growing up like basically in Hartford outside of Hartford. You'd get you know the current the current had had had be Smith very good but but certain syndicated columnists like you're referring and Murray course one of them but you'd also occasionally get wind of you know other you you'd come across other sports writers from around the country and I just can remember getting to college and being even though I could go to a library certainly as a kid at Manchester every day but would you go to go to the library and be able to read local papers from around the country and you end up. You know having the opportunity to read read people that were up and coming Lupu as it happens I was writing for the daily dispatch Lucas from Oneida and so there was Luca. POLKA was early on in his in his career. But you come across all different writers and I can just remember particularly Johny and the the Eagles Championship season in eighty. One of my favorite things was the Monday. Paper would probably probably arrived Wednesday at colgate. And you know being in the library you know to read the enquirer sports section and read all the coverage. Because you just you know it. It's forty years ago but it feels like it was a hundred might as well have been one hundred years ago Because you couldn't you couldn't do what you do now. I mean where where you're you can read every newspaper in the country you know on a daily basis. It was a big deal all and being able to read lion and didn't jer and you know all the coverage in all those secondary stories of you know in the breakdowns and everything. The thing I mean that was I've got in fact I've got A. I've got a scrapbook of the nineteen eighty of the season. I assembled of of clippings great sports writing. I really do. Yeah well every year and you you know you you get those books You know those compiled the best. The Best of the year sports add grew up with that as well. And you know a lot of those guys you got to remember the punt passing Kick Library. Did you get those books. I don't remember their little. Their little. This is in the sixties and early Seventies. And when I was the ten to fourteen there was a series of books. I have them I. I rescued them out of our house. And it's like great quarterbacks of the NFL great running backs of the NFL. Great and yes I do remember. Maputo's yeah the right there like seven inches by five inches little hardcovers and and those you know those books were invariably you know the the chapters were invariably written by sportswriters and that was another way you got fill them with pictures by ZANDER Hollander. Every every every sport I I every sports photograph we ever saw as a kid zander. Hollander took and they were all grady. Remember they were there they they all had a certain Sepia tone to the great call. You as you know. It's funny 'cause this weekend. I was kind of recovering from from the procedure. And I I said well I didn't I didn't I didn't watch a lot of racing. Didn't play a lot This weekend and getting getting tired you know. Just a wasn't able to concentrate trait and not that it makes much difference whether on calcite or not but it was making it difficult and so I thought to myself well. Gee I'M GONNA BE I'M GONNA BE UNPREPARED FOR Steve Show on Monday not GonNa have of anything to talk about Civil probably talk about eagles a little bit but didn't didn't follow much racing this weekend so I'll be unprepared command. I said well that's not unlike. Most of the regular wasn't worried at all. Jeff Jeff. Well you got you got you also got me very advantageous. I think we're both I. It's an advantageous ages moment. The I got this birthday coming up this week and so I'm you know. I'm in the reflective. You got me in a reflective boot anyway. Yeah well I'll tell you it's someone who has moved out of reflective mood someone someone cash and this just shows you know you often talk about you try and give Get up a message to all raise. A lot of different racetracks racetrack's Remington Park for sample someone at expressed bet and expressed my player scored on a pick six at Remington Park. This weekend this week. twenty cents right the returns. Seventy one thousand almost seventy two thousand dollars and the tech. It costs the total bet. One hundred thirty four forty so it can happen. Here's the Akwa Dog. Six Five on the sixteen. What was that Friday Saturday? Fifty Cent Wager Obviously Asleep one hundred and twenty dollars total bet twenty seven thousand We had a couple of those one ticket was a was a five hundred twenty five dollars ticket. Well we had a one twenty and five twenty five and then we had a a Remington pick. Four Fifty cent tickets for you hundred and fifteen dollars. Nineteen thousand almost almost twenty thousand dollars. So Ah I mean I imagine these things because I find them interesting. I liked to see when small wagers fast big or relatively small wagers look. I'm not going to get a kid myself. One hundred thirty four dollars for a picture that fits that's a stat but I mean it's a good step from for regular player. We don't have that kind of money to throw around one hundred twenty dollars for a six five. I'M NOT GONNA act like it's a drop in the bucket but it's it's not outlandish outlandish to to bring home that Kinda cash so it's just like the mention those when they come up there was a was was it a twelve horse Partly she an appropriate twelve team Parlay card That that we that we saw on twitter and they've hit eleven the twelve and they were down to the last game and was the game last night The he was The the raiders. Yesterday afternoon the Rangers Mine is ten and a half so it was twenty dollar twelve teams Parlay Card College and pro. And they're going to win. We're going to get back. Fifty thousand dollars and the raiders. Like you know it's like it was a horrible beat it was like the worst. Be you're they had the ball on the I can go on the one yard line. They need a touchdown. And then Richie Incognito Incognito messes messes up and and they don't they don't end up scoring and and that's the end of the end of the wager so that's a tough way to go and then and then someone mentioned well. Here's the rundown false start one one yard run and then complete pass a one yard run twenty yard field goal seventeen ten and the final points of the game. They went eleven for twelve and now someone said well. You know you're supposed to save. You're supposed to come away with some money from the effort and and you know what that's great advice and I haven't studied it but but I've been in this position before. Here's the problem. The person played a twenty dollars to twelve. Right it's it's not like it's not just mack unlimited supply of money. So if you're trying to save on fifty desalvo first of all you're limited by how much you can get your in your town. How much can you wager then on the other team? You know you let your cat count limits if you're doing it online or at book wherever you're count limits are going to be small then then how much cash can get your hands on. The you know the middle of the four o'clock game you've got to come up with this money before the four o'clock gang starr between between knowing that you won the early games and sometimes there's just a few minutes so you've got to have your hands on of cash. Now question is where are you going to get all that cash down. You can't just walk into a book and say you know here's ten grand now if you live in Vegas different story but if you're you know somewhere else it's hard so yeah you're supposed to save yes you can head you bet. Yes on paper but in real life you can't do any of those things Cases where just to give you a horse race example. I've had occasions where you're alive to you. Know five or six horses in in a pick five or six for You Know Twenty thirty thousand and a couple of them are paying more and you're thinking well on a save leave but there's only so much you can deposit in your account unlimited you know you can't deposit twenty thousand dollars since they're not accepting deposit. Thank cost you know so of paper Yes. It looks a lot easier than it is Bottomline feel terrible for that person. I saw I I I guess it was. That must've been that play that I saw that talked about the procedure call. Yeah well I'll tell you it if we want to we if we do want to spend a couple of minutes talking about horses is it to the top of the hour the series how about the series of prices at Churchill. You've had in the last four days Friday. You had a sequence that that produced pick five carryover into Saturday then then you had a you know no. It's a tricky sequence that they close to four thousand and then yesterday another series of of impossible prices prices and going into going into Wednesday. In fact. I've got it here because I already printed the PP's out We've got one hundred twenty thousand thousand dollar pick five carryover on Wednesday Churchill with a sequence of twelve by ten by eight by twelve ten and there's also a high five five carryover if you're if you like high-fives eleven thousand dollar carryover in the in the nightcap on Wednesday but obviously one hundred and twenty thousand dollars pick five on Wednesday Ahah Churchill is going to get a lot of focus and You know we could also Tony Tony. We could also I just got a text from my partner. Tony Johnny. We also talk about what happened in the stomach. Five on on Friday where it ended up being an eleven thousand thousand dollar. Pay Off and I I want to thank Brian. NATO for the handicapping we did. Brian was right. The weather weather moved in at Miami Gardens and ended up taking the turf races off at the GP. W There was there was that twenty dollars horse at Laurel and the cue. That sort of you know made things tricky rickie but Nice Pretty Nice wide eleven thousand two hundred ninety one dollars thirty seven winners on Friday so the pick five carryover concept really is an opportunity that you have to. You GotTa look at funny. You should say that I I told you I didn't do much anti capitalist weekend or played one place that I did make is I dove into that Late pick five Churchill on Saturday because it was a good opportunity in You know you get these carryovers in the pick like five and for fifty cents you can play the game with with fight money and maybe walking in and and score. I didn't An I'm pretty sure a handicapped caffeine was not at its best but I don't get shot and I I I was a little indisposed on Friday. I couldn't I couldn't have jumped up for that but We we had four players. I express that Nail the strong five and the tickets were from Su fifty two to five seventy six and Levin thousands the one thousand dollars payoff met as you mentioned so Excuse me these carriers Don't seem to be getting ready to give those away I would think right. I mean the close of the ones that the meat closer soon or yeah. Yeah so they the about not ready to give it away. And they're bob around nine hundred thousand but anyway these pick five carryovers You really have to almost half the play. Take a shot And and by the way I just want to say this to While I was a little bit knocked knocked out this week I was able to look you know I wanted to play. I just couldn't couldn't get there But I have been so impressed impressed with the quality of racing the field side and I it's just been good racing the turf academic we. Fortunately we've had a you know dry weather least and They've been able to run on the surface. been it's been been good raising Churchill's been awesome and Now del Mar.. We'll get into. They're a a big part of their season. which is professional they had so i? Yeah I've really been impressed with with the racing this this fall You know at the end of kind of the end of Saratoga del Mar you kinda take a breath and You know go back to Belmont and Kinda just get kids are back to school or whatever you've got gone in your life kind of re revamps you get home to stop your summer. Whatever you're doing in the summer you kind of get back to back in this in the in the strategy do things and then the Breeders Cup comes and hits you pretty quickly after that and I always Kinda Vision Breeders Cup at the end of the season? But it's not and I have to stop thinking that way because we've got some more racing less than it's been it's been really good racing very much. Football starts and that and that not a lot of people off striking bit him. If you're if sure sports better got college and Pro Football you've got college basketball is now rolling you know. There are other distractions but has been phenomenal. And it's I mean I I don't have to go back and look at at some charts from from last November but I just do not not recall that we had this outlandish amount of a big feels. Dell's not and you know you mentioned the quality johnny it. It isn't as if these are. You know these are fields of of sixty two five non winners A to lifetime. I mean the there's open up that Churchill Card and the last six races our maiden special weights and allowances and in New York. The fifth through the ninth is is is the same thing maiden specials specials and allowances state bread allowances and then typically a maiden maiden forty state breads has been the NIGHTCAP. You know for the most part and including including including Minnie mouse when he wants them. So I got no complaints but Del Mar too. I mean th th as much trouble as as they're in in terms of horse population. They're doing the best they can. I think some people are interpreting this cancelation for Thursday. As as you know as much an opportunity to you know make sure you have a nice Friday Saturday Sunday Sunday. The Senate races by scuttling the Thursday card but apparently the apparently the weather is going to roll in there Tuesday Wednesday Thursday. So they're being you know the the the most familiar term lately is abundance of caution that that's the that's the new watchword watchword it's been good on so many levels no and as a horse player You're grateful because you know. How many times do you be purchased the racing for you get you know? Do you get your sheets. You get whatever you need your and you do all the work and then what alone they come off the turf but how. `Bout they cancel. Yeah he's done all the work you spent the money and they cancelled. Look it's better for everybody. Just cancel if you know the only thing is you only fly in the ointment is. You're relying on the weather man. It's like trying to pick winners spread you know. Yeah but I can also say this having lived in California Southern California for thirty years so storms. They see them coming. And it's not like these. It's it's not like living in the east where sometimes it pushes a little bit away. Usually goes storms are so huge that they just they just swallow California and at the Big Swan. That's a big Gulp. Well we we used to live now to we've got to we've got the Thanksgiving's late Thanksgiving is this is the twenty eighth which is as late. I believe as it ever can possibly get. Yeah Thursday again. I noticed that Go because Nova whenever whenever November starts on a Friday you get this you you get the late Thanksgiving So we still have got. They have got another full week before we even you know even really get to some of the big cards and in New York. They've pushed that Cigar Mile Day back to the eighth and I'm going to be outed Los Al which I'm now starting to get really excited about Baffert And and others and and Blaine right is running and no door. We just heard him. Confirm that so The starlet is always good. So if you turdy. Eighty starlet day at at low sow and still plenty to look forward to will be on the on. The scene is right yes I will be there. I've come to love that. I've come come to really enjoy that. The trip down to Cyprus track yet is YEP it helped out a great deal on the phone in California Calendar when things got tough will meet us. was there now and you know what else is there. Johnny the Cappella Degli Wonka loved the Catella. Johnny glad you're feeling okay and I appreciated everything you I called it a meandering today Just on twitter just now so I appreciate I appreciate are are are ECLECTIC Tour Four. Yeah well in a few days somebody asked me. When will you be back to normal? I I never was that that that'd be to start to start on the front end I love it. Well feel better and Exciting I love those cutback That was one race they did look at. I thought she ran great. She is Game Dick Tracy as they say and she just she. She does one speed that that philly she she just wants to go There was a comment over the summer. And I I don't even even I don't even think of Mike. Welsh realized you know it was. It was our horse but there was a comment. I saved it actually. Actually on my computer he said this Philly only knows one way to go got to admire the plock something like that. You know that. Yes she just. She doesn't. She's not obviously not a run off because she's actually slow into stride. You can't you can't really demand that she go early. She breaks okay but then she wants to settle. She doesn't she. You're not gonNA rush her into contention and then when she when she knows that the the Q. is coming she will engage and I thought Benji spending your Nandes. I wasn't happy happy with how we wrote kid chocolate last week but He writes he writes Carlisle. Bell the terrific. He's got a lot of confidence in her and she wasn't wasn't GonNa get through the winter but nothing wrong with second in a in a an allowance race. Those are pretty nice interest. That's for sure we'll take a break guy. John White coming and more stay with us our three at the races at the races. WHO's with Steve Bishop on Sirius? XM radio what's going on. Mike and I'm GonNa tell you about an offer for my good friends at express. Let's be honest. We know you love playing the racist but you can't always make it to the track. Sometimes life just gets in the way of a good bet. What if I told you about a place where you're never miss it and you start with house money it's am crazy right now? Not Expect your first one hundred and twenty five bucks are on on them. SIGN UP AND EXPRESS DOT COM. Who's in Promo Code? BIC THAT'S B. Y. K.. 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The Collective Suck

Forked Up: A Thug Kitchen Podcast

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The Collective Suck

"Welcomes afford up your go-to. PODCASTS for all things Avocados Avocados and aliens I'm Michelle Davis, and I'm Matt Holloway today were talking butter, knife, murders, pistachio protest, and why everything tastes like chicken, including plastic. Stay tuned. It's about to get fucked up. What, the fuck is going on and everybody. How are You Doing Michelle? How're you what's going on? We got some housekeeping stuff. Can you wave with about to be fucking July the fourth of July where it's coming up this weekend, and you don't want to celebrate for a lotteries and. There's I you know. I came of age under George W like yourself as an aware socially. Active woman and I thought that was the worst. We could do, nope. Wow, I would be thrilled to elect W now. What I a lot of Mary would. Yeah but it's a it's weird to. Try and muster up the fucking support for our country right now because everything's such. Like I love a lot of American people. I love Americans. In love and the way that you love your family. Where like all talk all the Shit I want, thank you very much but I am from here and that gives you the right to critique a place that you love. Also it's just it's a potluck. Drink and holiday and we do and we're not supposed to be doing that shit. People are still going to do it like they. Thousands of people are still going to shut down all the beaches in Elliott County. And the buyers Riley, so we couldn't control shift because y'all where fucking mass oh I, God y'all would just wear a fucking mask. These and we could be like the rest of the world who is returning to some normal life, and that's the thing that is so frustrating is like the more we fight about whether or not you should wear a mask. The longer we have to fight about whether or not you should wear a mask. Making this last longer, so where mask listen I miss people like I want to see my friends. I have a girlfriend who had a baby that I've not met because of this fucking bullshit. We. All have people we WANNA see things. We WanNA do places we want to go and we just have to not do it. Weird how wearing a mask, which is a public health concern. has become politicized because of the lack of leadership, and these fucking assholes. You're being like Oh will newbie, said anything. When people went to go protests or should be able to go to a bar adjusting wearing masks, protests are went to every month. Fuck was wearing number one. I'll say seventy five to eighty percent of people. All the protests that I attended and saw on the news. We're wearing masks. They were also hint hand sanitizer. You people were doing what they need to do. Also they were protesting police brutality and continued racial injustice. You just want a cocktail. The y'all y'all pros. Processing because you can get your highlights. Any wearing a mask you know it's. They were out because they had to be there. There's a reason to get out in the street during a pandemic. It's this. Yes, they and we lake. All of us need to be protesting these huge injustices that have gone unaddressed for so so long, and that is a good an just a reason to be taking a risk, because yes, they are taking risks. Every time we move our house every time we go someplace including a protest including. If you've been going to church or any of these things, you are taking a risk, so you have to weigh it, and these people seem to not understand that chunky highlights. Are A bad decision and not a good reason to risk your life and the lives of others, but people being murdered in the streets. That's a good reason that's A. Good reason to get pissed off I mean we're sitting here. How many months into this fucking thing where we're talking about mask wearing like people, they look like saying I wanna see people. I want to hang out I WANNA have a barbecue or we can't do that right now. And that's just the. That's the collective suck so that we protect each other. It'll be okay if we all do it. The and what's better, the drinking at home not that we haven't been necessarily avoiding day drinking. He's Times but. These troubling. Drinking tried to. Have you explored the finer art of waking and being these trying times? Have you ever Bokan up and gotten blazed that your mind. Like the fourth of July is the perfect reason for that drink at home. Stay home, and you can barbecue or and. We got a ton of recipes Michelle. We bought the T on the. New. Summer summertime summertime spiked sweet tea is up there, and it's really good and alarmingly easy to drink. We have our Lazy Hunt Burger. which you can grill or you can cook on the grill inside. sliders slider. Greenhorn we have a bunch of different Pasta Salads on there which I love potato. Salads which I love Costlo. By the way that our mayonnaise free. Vile it's disgusting, so we have several vinegar and Creamy Pasta Salads, but no mail have we have? We talked about y? Hornets are just poss-. What is that I mean you're? Talking about this, if y'all make a pasta salad with mayonnaise. Public Park. On. Yeah. And wait for the Yellow Jacket Horny. Suggest show him like I don't. I don't care where you live in. I. Can do this anyway. They just show. Them them anywhere else? Maybe around the trash can near the playground. If there's like sugary drinks in there, but yeah. I don't know if I can get it. Because overflown anyway. Tower of trash. The. Trash, can in the parks always? You know and then everyone who walks past. It's taking the STARBUCKS Cup trying to do this weird game of Jenga whereas like. Honestly, it does just move on. Just littering. Is Not going in, and they're gonNA fit I just like when they stopped lining the trashcans altogether because that's the true time when they've given out. The city parks and they're just like now. We just gotTa wire basket. Now up and we'll figure it out. We'll be by once every six months this. Trash can next to the. The Pasta and Potato Salad. is where like the water from the restrooms like runs down and like pools around the base of that trash can. May psychiatrist juice soupy. Parks. Lock Honestly I. This with no ounce of malice in my heart. Spend all my days in public parks. You got all those recipes up. Now can go to bed. MANNERS DOT COM. There's a Shitload of summertime recipes that might help you celebrate fourth of July this weekend and or just help you. You distract yourself in good and again as always Shit's free, no ads offer you just our little, our little gift orange, or if the garbage five twenty twenty. There is some free stuff. And what's been going on with you so last week when we record the PODCAST I? I think we were we recorded that closer in the evening time and I was I was pretty fucking burnt. Burnt like having this country. Bird everyone's tired. Ahead several people like back home in Texas, Tell me they're like. You sound tired and I'm like. Is it that bad? Your group isn't the most. Aware, yeah. I was GONNA say. No, but like I was like. Yeah, like I am tired. Yeah, we're still doing with the rebranding. Social media have longer than we. Don't even talk about working with customer service from any Social Media Company. That's like fuck it and ring a hell. Chance. It's just a ring a hell. Just know that so yeah. We recorded that podcast. I just had a bunch of people like actually like no me grew up with me. You know and they're like man. You sound fucking exhausted. I'm like yeah. Right. NAILED IT! How you doing. I'm doing good I've been watching some dumb TV, but I wanted to touch on one thing that I've seen in the news over like driving me fucking crazy is. A lot of news outlets are referring to all the protests going on for a black lives matter and because of racial injustice, and just the history of racism in this country they've been referring to them as riots the not. And Knowledge Protest. It's superseded right the vernacular. The people are using it and it's driving me fucking crazy. Because I. There was some looting at some. Protests or adjacent to some protests that does not make nor do any of these things. To me seem like a riot bird and I think it's very dismissive, and it's very coded in the with the referring to be largely overwhelmingly peaceful protests. It's it's lazy because so many times when people talk about the protests, the word riot is either right before right after and in its because. I said this win. All the protests are there was like I? Don't want people to conflate the two weeks. They're incredibly different. No doubt rights are happening. No doubt lootings happening absolute. Larger movement right, yeah it. It's a disservice to everyone who's organizing in showing up marching in which by the way here in La, we still had a protest weekend. Yeah, no, it's it's just very. It's irresponsible and. Win Has the media ever given a shit about responsibility I know, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't stop calling it out and you even just catching people in your life, who maybe have just been watching the news and see you just pick up on the language changes your you don't think about it and just being like no not right. It's protests road. I'm just correcting people just like that is enough because most people don't think of it that way, but if that's what you hear on the news over and over again or a new stories, it's fucking is word associates, but to distract myself from the news I tried to watch a very stupid television. Show that you recommend. which worn because I've been thrown a Lotta Shit at you have floor is lava. Okay, yeah, on links. It's very stupid, very dumb. It's very stupid. Mind numbing and that's what I appreciate. The are very low and everybody is just hateful enough. That you're like I want you to win, but I also don't care if you fall in, you know what though I'm like low mad at that production because they're offering winners like ten thousand dollars, and you have to split it three ways because every teams three people. Yeah, and it's like okay, so let's say everyone gets. Three thousand three, hundred thirty three dollars. And then take taxes out. So you get like a week's pay in your job like essentially. I take it. Yeah, sure, but these are. This is a giant corporation that's using these people in advertising making millions off. Like do you remember in the ninety s when we every fucking show? That came out was they were just giving million dollars away. Whatever it's crazy. They were just give people a million dollars. If you could just run from New York Los Angeles with your fucking spouse view went on a game show and talk to regis million dollars. They just give them away now. It's like ten thousand dollars. This room without touching the floor what? It feels very exploitive stupid and whatever I started tried watching it and dubbing said I love it. I just think I just think that you pay people Muslim I. Just loved it. They don't call flora's lava. Because there's a standup that came out this year. This called the floor is lava. I was wondering what I'm assuming. michou standard was I. DON'T REMEMBER A. Woman and I keep meaning to watch it, but I wonder if it's like a copyright she has the floor is love, and so they call it. Floors lava. The thing that jarred me the most is that I got a little blazed. I watched. Floor is lava, and it was so stupid. The first episode and I was so like a stupid head space, and being like this is dumb. Everything about this is dumb, and then right at the end of the first episode the pilot there's an in Memoriam. I caught that to had deposit I was it was so jarring. Yeah, because it was just totally the wrong I. Jit posit I was like did a contestant. Did, we actually lose someone to love. It was so jarring so jarring. I'm you know obviously? It's very sad that they lost. A member of the production was one of the producers. Yeah. It was one of the producers. His name's appeared I. Think it's Tim Sullivan I think is what I was. So that is obviously very sad. In Luke shows that all the time when when you know. Part of the crew passes we tragically. I get it I don't think it got the response or is getting there. It was the first episode yeah I was, and I was like. Are we doing this? For every episode of people die every episode. Andy was right at the close of the show like there was. It wasn't like at the end of the credit sequence or something like that. You know like it was right. There I feel crazy now. Should I have been making show? I watch any of my other Shitty TV recommendations there I feel like they're all mostly on Netflix now. I really don't like reality TV. I don't either. It's what I call like background. I'm on my laptop and I'm trying to like work and it's just it could be MSNBC. It doesn't mean anything to me. It's just noise. Yeah, I, just I don't. I would rather be in silence. Then feel like I'll listen to podcasts and stuff while I'm cleaning and cooking and doing stuff like that because I'm like actually listening, but you're the reluctant viewer. They like NBC's like coming this fall. We send twelve couples to sexy island. and rather not. Like others being silence, thank you. Dr Waiting Room and they're like you get to choose what we watch on this television. Turn the TV. Sit in silence with thoughts, everybody. Yeah, so you better get right with your Lord Yeah. It's now time for this week food history. Serious, gourmet shoot so today in our historical tour around the kitchen that I started a couple of weeks ago. I WanNa talk about table knives, or but all of us regular people call butter knives the kind of knife that your mom would put out when she was setting the table. If you had a mom who set tables, so have you guys ever wondered why? There's a round tip on these knives like if? If you think about it in the category of knives, the only one right, it's an odd one. It's a real odd knife. So for most of human history. There was no special kind of knife that was used a table. Most classes of people over huge swaths of the world just carry knives round with them like for everyday tasks like to Prune trees for personal protection, and for eaten I am a knife carrier. You know this about me just growing up in Texas always. But that's a utility knife. But imagine if that was also your fork spoon so in reaches in their pocket knives like notebook and joker. Knives it'd be up to a foot long. And what people do is, they would spare the food at the table and they were just bring it to their mouth. And they didn't have plates for a long time. They would use bread like a trencher like how people use in era in Ethiopia or. Lake, that sauce and whatnot, yeah, and so that's so you just had your bread? You'd stab stuff. And, then you put it in your mouth, Kinda. I might doubt style of. But if you went to eat somewhere including other people's homes, even to like castles like with royalty and stuff, you were expected to bring your own cutlery. Which meant they just knew you'd be carrying a knife? And that's your eating killing things knife with. Could you imagine going to someone's house for dinner and sitting down and everyone starts each other now. It's like Oh. This is I forgot. This is embarrassed end. This is before. These knives were discussing. These are cut nice. There they killed a goat in the morning. Then they chopped up some cow dung to make a fire, and then they spit on the knife to clean it. To clean, it broke. Yeah, and then they fucking their stabbing in meet in the middle of the table for everybody to eat with I will say. If I'm like a table of people and someone just stands up reaches across the table with a fucking foot long knife. Stabs the entree like boss move. That's a fucking power play. Very. What's crazy is that folks have been around for thousands of years since they had forks during this time. We've had no excuse. We've had forks. Maniac. And forks were unpopular until like the colonial period here in the US like all over the world, we had forks sometimes. Them most of the. Nobody with a fucking four. That's weird. Yeah, no, so we have the technology. People just loved eating a fucking knives. I mean look at you. Your face is lighting up. It's power play. So. We got the table knife as we know it for two reasons. Drunken acts of violence and terrible table manners. That checks out feels right right, so the distinguishing feature of Table knifes like we've been saying is of course, the blunted or rounded end, and this innovation is attributed to one man Cardinal Lou of France in the mid sixteen hundreds. I didn't take French. As my foreign language I took Spanish so tweet at bad manners. For, mispronouncing Cardinal, richelieu, yeah, all you richelieu heads. Sorry Salou Stands A. God, so you know. He was a cardinal, and he was a constant presence at court, and they had tons of elaborate dinners that went on all night, and he noticed that people after several glasses of wine or Ale. Because you didn't do quarterback in those days because it wasn't safe, you had to drink fermented, which meant it was alcoholic? which is meant you were constantly fucked up? People would end up nicking themselves with their knives. Their somehow hurting themselves as they got drunk, because people would constantly pick at their teeth with the pointed end of their foot long knives. I always thought that was some looney. Tunes Shit that Israel while people done it. Dollars, some Tom and Jerry now people have been doing that forever. And he fucking hated and the more drunk you get. The more people would cut their fucking lips. They cut their gums. They'd cut themselves like other parts of their bodies. Looking like a maniac. Wither dirty s tetanus knife, cotton themselves constantly, or because they're getting drunk and talk in arguing these drunken brawls would inevitably happen turned way more violent than they needed to. Because everyone had a sharp ass side. So people would get stabbed over dumb shit where they could have just gotten hidden, it would've been five, so he's like fuck this and introduced these new blunt tip knives to the court and people actually fucking loved them. They weren't like I won't use your fucking. Tonight's my right. They're like Oh this solves that problem. And they got really really popular, and so later in sixteen, Sixty nine King Louis, the fourteenth of France, banned pointed knives in the streets, and at the tables, insisting on plenty of tips in a hope that it would reduce violence like it had in the court, so that's how it got spread all because the king was like great job. Dude, love it. Love how everybody's not dying over here. All the time and I don't have to watch. People picks their teeth so now. Let's make everybody else do it and once France was doing it. It caught on over all of continental Europe and then spread because this was the time of great colonization. And it spread to all of the colonies of these European powers, including the America's interests, and that's how we got it and boom, so yeah, we have table knives. Because one dude couldn't handle. How gross in violent dinner was any fucking fixed it? Fruits or vegetables onto the planet. Welcomes recall get ready for Cipro. This week the FDA announce recall nearly sixty thousand pounds of chicken nuggets, because they were quote contaminated with extraneous materials, specifically flexible rubber material. Yoga's pride out of WACO. Texas is recalling their four pound bag fully cooked chicken breasts nuggets that were distributed among four states. The problem was appointed through customer complaint reporting rubber pieces in the product. I want to know how many chicken nuggets you got to eat before. You like I think this is rubber. Because I mean if my memory serves me correctly of chicken nuggets. Longtime for both of us in a long time, you would occasionally get like a grizzly cartilage piece lay like a chunk, not the whole. You get like a weird little bit. Deal with it or you spit it out I mean you couldn't spinoff with? Cartilage. Taste. Something Weird! You feel something. where did your swallow it immediately? Jealous the fastest ways through. A. Lot less painless to shit it out. You have to deal with the consequences of spitting out food at my mom's stable, but to be fair like most shige nuggets already kinda taste like rubber kind of like you're saying just me. Personally have no way to prove this, but I think the manufacturer stepping on the product. Trying to stretch their revenue. Like woodchips. Done just been there. It's not heavy enough rubber. Or you know diaphragms aren't very popular anymore and the. Old Way of preventing some pregnancies. Maybe, they're like okay. Remember when we used to make diaphragms always SUNA shouldn't turn. Them. I? I don't know like if there was something like that in my food I'd I'd really have the constitution to follow up with customer. Complaint like you're saying you swallow it. I'd probably throw this shit away. Move on with my day I. Is there like some every time. I I see these recalls, and they're like yeah, customer complaints, or like multiple customers called. Is this some poor soul who keeps going and just getting their normal groceries? And every time she cook something every week. She's got a call the FDA. Tom. Chicken. Swing. I assume that the people who call because I think most reasonable people assume unless it's something agreed. Something sharp like Oh. This is just something weird days away Junkin I assume it's people with children. 'cause like my little baby. Chicken nuggets I'd be like I'm fucking calling. I don't give a shit about micro SAS, but I could see me doing it for like elderly parents or whomever you're taking care of. You would give a shit like me. I'm not proud to say there's been many times where I've been dining somewhere or I've gotten delivery. There's been a heron. It I just pull it out and move on with my. Oh, for sure what I'm saying. I would never like. DIG The box out of the trash to look up. The number or the name of the company are like Fi. Find their mailing address like Magara. Yes, Nanna, yeah, she by. I'm going to write them a strongly worded letter. Have Rue the day me calling the FDA's like the oldest. Those rubber in it. And also this is not a saying. It's cool for there to be rubber chicken nugget no. Like. I do better airway for that thing. Vegans, rapper and chicken nugget. At grandma's deserve it. I, wonder like when they pulled it out of its obviously in their mouth. Yeah, I know when you put it. Works so fucking! Foot long knife and they. Lit Out of their fucking teeth. Do you think it's like chicken colored Oh? Yeah I bet I bet heat wanting to understand how this gets in the assembly process feel most of that meat is like bleached, and then like re colored or not to per, se but they. Mouse right. Yeah! Yeah, and it is like to shoe and. All to get a uniform color. So depending on when the rubber entered be process, one would assume that it looked somewhat colored like fucking chicken nugget. I'm not a purple glitter feels unlikely. Call Me Great. So, if your gut pilgrim's pride, all chicken nuggets, and you found a flashlight in it, I mean. I just I wonder if it happens to one person over and over and over again. We just have the FDA on speed dial. They're like groundhog's Day. It's like. Different Products Yeah I'm not doing nuggets anymore. All right I'M GONNA. Do some of that, bag. Salad Is. A lightning rod for recalls. That's your. This this poor grandmother gets barred from piggly-wiggly no. Every time you come in here like how how often does it have to happen before one day? There's just like fuck it. I got a call this company. It's. To me. That's funny. Speaking of fucked up pieces of our food system so last Friday about fifty farm workers began striking outside of farms in WASCO. California suspiciously like Waco Texas. Right one letter away over who Manati confirmed. So WASCO California's about one hundred and fifty miles outside of La. And what are these workers complaining about well? Their employer had not been providing them with any P. and had not made them aware of how many of their coworkers had been testing positive for coronavirus, which is fucking crazy, so amado Atlanta's a united farmworker official who is acting as a spokesman for the workers outline their platform to the La Times. Their demands include better sanitation measures and more information from the company which had not told them about all the positive cases. He said quote they wanted to keep everything confidential, and at the same time people are getting contaminated lettuce, said workers learned of the cases about two weeks ago when fellow workers started getting sick. Sick but they only really knew the scope like how dozens of their co workers had tested positive from a report on a local television for that's a bad way to find. Yeah, can you imagine the you hear about your job on the local news? Not from your employer primax, which has five thousand acres of orchards and California as well as other nuts and produces dried fruits confirmed that thirty, one of their employees were currently infected. That's four hundred employees to bed row show. That is not great, and it's really not great that you hadn't fucking told anybody about it. Sure they had noticed some of their co workers where gone, but they didn't know why. No intention of shutting down or informing workers. Until the news started picking up the story. In fact, they had only just begun providing cloth masks workers for eight dollars a piece. They charged them and eight dollars a fucking. Yes cheeses eight dollars. They charge them for something. They should have been providing free to their fucking employees anyway. Like assholes and now that the news is spreading of their misdeeds like corona virus is spreading through their facility. Has closed its plant. This last Friday to Monday for a deep cleaning and has hired mobile testing facility to offer a free test. All workers this Monday that company officials said adding that those who tested negative can return to work as though like. I mean great little little. The horses have left the fucking. You get the tube back on your. We close one of the doors, yeah. Face back in the fucking to so quote as an essential business permits expects to resume normal operations in the near future. They said in an email, so said about fifty workers were participating in the strike, and they would decide each day whether to continue. He said the workers were not union members about where being supported by the UAW W. which is Great. A worker told the La Times though that while the company has brought in new workers. Take of all those who've gotten sick. They did not inform those new workers. Out. Listen, not learned. Yeah, so they're hiring people, so many people don't even work in the economy. Obviously, these people needed to be working needed the money like so many of us do, and to not be told that they were going into a corona hotbed, and then bring it home to their children or to their grandparents whomever they care for like fuck y'all you're. You're literally putting people in harm's way, and then you. Know of in your willingly, not telling there are few workers more essential to life as we know it than farm workers. Oh, for sure and yet we continually failed to recognize their labor pay them a wage that reflects both the difficulty of their jobs and the crucial role they play in our food system, and we continue to not protect them from exploitation and death at the hands of their employer. This has to fucking stop. People do not have to die for. For us to have looking for statues like that's ridiculous, and people should not have to call the news to get their employer to provide them basic sanitation, and information and I know it's hard times everywhere right now, and it's hard to care deeply and stay focused on so much shit, because there's about a thousand five alarm fire is going on in our country right now, but farmworkers need our support respect now more than ever. The least you can do is stay. Stay informed because the more these articles get done on places like La Times or wherever the more they're going to continue following these stories and we need to make mindful choices when we buy food. When they do better, we'll all be better for your in and united farm workers. They're great organization. They have plenty of resources into how to make more mindful choices and different ways. You can donate your time or your energy to support them, and all work well I'm. I'm glad that we're talking about what we consider essential employees in essential businesses, because could your coffee or smoothie essential in the fight against Corona virus? There are a shitload of food companies that seem to think so. The federal government has a tariff relief program that companies can apply for that minimizes trade barriers on medical supplies to help combat covid nineteen I mean the tariff war that we got in because of our president and other providing relief to different companies. That exact. That very same one, okay? What as PROPUBLICA found out a lot of the companies that apply for this aren't even in healthcare at all. Almost fifty three thousand companies applied for the tariff relief, claiming medical exemption applicants included shoe, companies, bike, shops and producers essential oils. It's inner name. Right, it's the first word of our. Essential. So and a sizeable chunk of these non healthcare providers applying for this exemption, our food companies Hamilton Beach, a kitchen appliance company wrote on their application quote. During this crisis covid nineteen Hamilton beaches blend in a cup and mixing in a cup are essential to provide blended drinks and milkshakes that can be prepared in a more automated hands, free fashion relative to conventional blenders that requires significant handling of the blender jar, and an increased probability of contamination, friendly reminder that there is currently no evidence that covid nineteen can be transferred through food also. How stupid are you that you can't use a normal blender to make food and the I? No, also they make sure. They can't handle an ice cube. Okay, so fucking get. The applications only got worse. Dietary supplemental companies say that their products are essential to immune system support, but to date there is not one single independent scientific study. The backs supplemental industry claims however it is eight thirty five billion dollar industry. Is even a company that makes outdoor grills called Camp Chef and in their application. They wrote quote. Outdoor activities are essential to both physical and mental health. A why do all these companies think that they can apply for this tariff relief? Shit is exactly like you said the trying to mitigate the damage caused by the trump administration's trade war with China, while most companies will pass the burden of tariffs onto consumers, some companies absorbed these financial hits just to stay competitive and like reading the PROPUBLICA. Looking at all the different companies in their excuses, yeah, it felt a lot like the equivalent of two kids disguised in a trenchcoat, trying to make an. Indian are rated movie. Like, it's a toaster. A blender company be like our ventilator. Sure. And I. Ever told you how I got into a rated R. Movie. Go See American, Pie. I, mean this is not federally. So you know I was in middle school I. Think I was like in the sixth grade when American Pie came out on like I wanted to see it, but nobody was gonna take me so me and a friend had heard of this exchange student okay. A couple of streets over from her house. Didn't know. He was like eighteen like we're like. Thirteen thirteen. We don't know him. That does something that kids I feel like. Don't do anymore. They're like. Yo heard this exchange. Students like three blocks away and I'm just GonNa go to the war going their doorbell real quick for real. We already had the money for the ticket like we'd saved money our allowance. Money we pulled money for his ticket and we're like. Do you WanNa? Come with US I can't remember where he's for some eastern European country, but he did not speak English very well and he was like. Fine! And we walked in the movie theater. He buys tickets. Oh No, we could see American pie and his face when the guys are fucking. The Pie and Jason Biggs You See these realizations happening on his face. He's like what the fuck am I watching. I'm here with children young girl. A fucking tricks me. Go, on, and we don't give a fuck you anymore good. I don't remember the name what's fucking. BANANAS ABOUT THAT STORY IS A. He sat through a two hour movie where he understood maybe five percent of what's happening boobs. Dude fucking pie is this. Someone being someone's mom yeah. Yes no context of what's happening in this teenagers standing in the kitchen and the sticks dicap- and I. Don't remember if he's like a legit exchange student or like. If this family delinquent exchange students weren't a thing, I, I didn't grow in a place in Nice enough for people to take an exchange students so i. don't know what his real deal. Wonder if he was like an American for like a week. Here there's. A new kid. Without some old older kid who didn't know shit about shit. We can go already. Buying smokes off. I. It was like this guy will buy shit it for you because he doesn't know what's going on. So that's how American. And that's what these companies they need to spend their. Damn I'd never I'd never fucking story where a single adult was in the store. I have no idea aright. That is our show this week. Shutout to our producer Sean. Who makes sure that this show gets made every week in his in y'all's phones and computers every Thursday, when you wake up, shout out to our potty y'all where all about those yellow starbursts. We had what the hell. You are fucking free exempting. Got People defending the yellow starbursts now out of the woodwork. Colorado history and And, things everybody who sent us the Rubber Chicken Nuggets Story. We had seen it on our radar, but we appreciate you. Send US Wild Shit Yeah. So and you can follow us at bad manners food across social or visit our website at manners, Dot Com for recipes. Alright y'all stay home. 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EPISODE 72 -- BOBBY LABONTE PART 3

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EPISODE 72 -- BOBBY LABONTE PART 3

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented by doc maintain excellence. We ended the year. I'll never forget sitting in the banquet watching him on stage and I'm just angry because I'm like I wanna be there be there. You have a gut feeling of how good you are. How good you are at that time and a good you're team is it was going to drive a car? I was like I am really kind of enjoyed a couple of kids off the they NASCAR and all associated in any way. When that's forget it's passed as today? We don't have any hello. I'm Steve Wade. Komo name is Rick Houston and welcome to the scene vault podcast presented by QR stave. Before we begin I gotta ask you a question. Have you recovered from stocks for tots the House. That signing our buddy I say I have a few cramps there eric. It was well worth. That was a great event and I guess we signed signed pretty consistently for a couple hours. That was a great crowd and very enthusiastic and I thought it was pretty cold because one of the very first. There's people through the line at a briefcase of stuff that he wanted to get signed and everything and he pulls out a copy of brave in life and of course I start giving you a hard time and everything You know went through six brings. Okay is that episode and then he is up and now how's he did something else and he pulled out a copy of second to none so we both signed copies of our books which was pretty cool and then just the enthusiasm Hasim that people had in. We had several people come through the line and tell us that they really enjoyed the podcast. And certainly there were those that might not have heard the podcast but they I certainly remembered saints so that was pretty gratifying. That's right and we gave away commemorative Darlington issues of scene and rick. In the last Persian came through uh-huh we had one copy that my stack was kind of dwindling and as the line kind of thin down and everything and the end of the Sonnen got nearer are Kinda counted people in line and I counted fourteen people line and I counted the number of papers that I had and believe it or not I had fourteen eighteen paper. That's right I guess that was just meant to be well. I'll tell you something. It was a cold wet night. No question about it and you have to admire the dedication of race fans not John Battle that wetter but to come out there from long distances I mean some Missouri and this is up in North Carolina and they did it to get are autographed. You gotTa wear the big draws at stocks. Todd's Steve Steve. This week in our first segment we are going to have the third and final installment of the interview that I did with Bobby Labonte and we discussed his two thousand Winston Cup championship his relationship with Joe Gibbs racing teammate. Tony Stewart the decision to leave Joe Gibbs racing and finally the latter after years of his career and some racing that he did this year at Bowman Gray Stadium. Yes Sir now that's our core and then in our second segment. We are going to tackle some more listener questions and they kind of run the gamut one Bella asked if there were people that we just didn't didn't like which I thought was kind of interesting. Well that one certainly Steve. I don't know that we we'll tell everything that we know in that. One on Patriarch in. We have new support from Jordan turnage and also. We have pay pal support this week. Week from Josh Ward and Robert Layered so guys thank you very much for that support. It means a lot to us. If you could possibly help us out on patron do five dollars a month want and you will receive a copy of the commemorative issue that we did with Darlington and also a classic issue of Winston Cup saying do ten dollars a month and you will receive both of those newspapers and the Steve Wade rookie card. Thank we've got three three or four. Okay good depending on how this goes. We may just have to dig up some more of those cards. Oh my goodness S. stocks were probably ten or fifteen. At least one MM person had a set of a dozen of my cars. I couldn't believe it. I have a feeling I'm going to be buying those on Ebay but seriously seriously. Help us out on Patriot patriotic dot com slash. The same podcast or on pay pal. If you'd rather just do a one time show of support you can do that. Ah Pay Pal dot me slash the same podcast beginning in nineteen ninety six. The team made really steady improvement in the standings. Nineteen Ninety six or eleven. Not Tonight Seven. You were seventh. Nineteen Ninety Eight. You were six nineteen ninety nine. You were second. was that kind of progress. Okay with you or were you wanting to be on top right now. You know I thought I thought for sure that We weren't good enough every track all the tracks to be. You know bill right here right now. we had work to do and we we I think in ninety eight we we showed that in the ninety nine. We were definitely there I I didn't think that it was you know we didn't deserve ninety six hundred seven ninety eight. I thought we were going to get there. I mean Tommy worked out would probably would I thought was right but I didn't think I should have been there before that. I think we with what we were gaining on. And what we're doing. I thought it was you know. Steadily creeping up on it was probably the was working out not ninety nine. Tony Stewart moved up to Winston Cup and became retain. May and. Bobby I gotTa tell you. Your personalities would appear to be almost almost completely opposite and as good as he was on the race track. It seemed like he was always getting into some kind of controversy those first couple years. What was your thinking during all that? Did you ever sit down with him or did you and coach ever sit down with him or was he just going to be Tony to be Tony. You know I think that you know. I'm I think Tony was going to be Tony Coming. It was it was. It was obvious that way with him being hired because he was hard hard to get to he was hard to get. You know you know If you look back at how coach said can I get your number and three days. He's later you know I'm I'm doing it. Yeah it didn't take me months at a time. Of course I didn't have you know I wouldn't an IRA. I wasn't doing this and that so tony was. I mean Tony headed headed. He's just got a different style and So you know as our personalities might be different in some ways I mean you know I got to know him well enough. If that it's I mean what his heart is is full of gold and what you might see at one place is not what you see all the time No No. I didn't sit down and talk to them. You know I mean there was a lot I mean I I'm probably Hopefully lead by example more than telling somebody what they I should be doing Roth I think that You know I think I think Tony Tony was was probably good. Good good is good for us in a way because you know sometimes that differences better than you know when you just do the same thing over and over again But no as far as me you know I I kinda welcomed the fact that I knew that this kid you know was gonna be you know a star superstar and you sometimes you have to take a little bit of a little bit. Yeah okay. That's not something I would we do right but at the same time goodness for anybody for a better person but you know would would I see him do things. That'd be like why wouldn't do that but that's taught me that he's not me so I don't I don't think I'd ever I wouldn't i. I can't change. I don't want to change changed the way I do things but I didn't want. He wants to do it the way he wants to do it. That's fine you finished second to Dale Jarrett in the championship standings in Nineteen Ninety nine. But but you were two hundred points down. What was your outlook going into? Two thousand will again. I think that with the addition of Tony and ninety nine nine It helped you know our elevator. Whole Program It ended up a little bit. Jimmy was getting pulled in different ways. adding Greg but still his responsibilities were more But I knew that going into the two car team and obviously as fast as Tony is going to be you know just just GonNa get better It's dunk that. We were down that far in ninety nine but I can. I can pinpoint you know one race as for sure that we lost a lot. That's that was my bad. I mean I lost at at Cinema going into turn eleven. You know I went to pass Nemechek. It can go right into the tires like okay. You know how to rip it had a good finish and Kylo that was my we were we were then. We within striking distance to a point. You know we're still going to be is still gonNA take a lot but that was like we were put ourselves down Saying that I mean we ended the year. I'll never forget sitting in the banquet. You know watching him on stage and I'm just I'm just anger. Anger is could be. Because I'm like I want to be. They'RE GONNA BE THEY'RE GONNA be there in as much as I love dill jared Meriem and got his autograph when I was. When he's Racing Gra national car and I was race late model stock me? He's my hero but unlike and we were that close. You know we were that we could. We were getting to be that good So you know I thought I thought for sure. Ninety ninety nine are better year but then in two thousand I thought doc in two thousand and we just. We really just didn't do anything wrong. I didn't hit a set of tires. We didn't have anything crazy at finished like teen laps. Like like like the record for laps finished all but seven laps for the whole year. There's a there's a staff that's that's crazy it's it's like Mark Martin was before that at at certain amount but always I finish all but seven ten laps for the whole year like it was one of those things you just like. You're never gonNA finish the top ten. Are Your your top fifteen so saying that I mean we just between Earnhardt and I and you know Who else you know IRT? I guess or somebody who was third fourth. I mean but I you know I mean we were just like my gosh we so fast so consistent and just didn't have anything go wrong you know and Tony there. I mean there's an elevated our whole whole program so I kinda I kinda felt like you know. Ninety nine was a was that two thousand Redemption Year from ninety nine in my mistakes You know just you know just missed it by a little bit and how do we improve Atlanta early. That year you started door with Earnhardt and he beats you officially officially by if I'm looking at the numbers correctly one thousands of a second from the city your car. What are you thinking last? Couple Paul APPS WILL I. I know that You know again. We had a fast car. I think skinner was the fastest car. He blew up with a few laps to go on the restart. We took off and I mean I'll run nearly wide open and three and four. I mean back even back in those days you run wide open could run wide open and So no catch earnhardt is one thing passing is going to be something different and you know. I've caught him off. Return to go down the back straightaway and you know I got to his rear bumper anomaly. And I'm just like all right. I mean I love that fact. Because here's the intimidator right so he'd been running low and I got to bumper and I'm like all right. I don't know which way is going to go. But wherever he goes on we'll go the opposite so he chose high because I was high the lap before so I mean boasted so I dove low and got to the white line and just you know he he had run off that corner and You know I didn't looking back at it. I wish had moved up a little bit sooner. And maybe a momentum would've carried me but it just you know he had more momentum off the corner and I could not believe that I thought I thought we had him. I thought we really had him. And and you know it took quarter the lab for the to kind of get the radio chatter down to. You didn't win frustration and But my gosh I mean that was like I mean again. That was our year. I mean we were just like that was almost like okay. Take Snapshot This is. What's GONNA look like the rest of the year? You two guys. Are you going to be balanced for the most part you know throughout and And I think that that's That was kind of like okay. Here's what you here's what you're GONNA do. You know you're going to do this and it was I of course I blame it on. I think Chevrolet that week before that week. They got a inch and a half extension on their front knows. The kickout was ancient half and I was like saw. I told him I said that's the only reason why you one is because you had that because if you hadn't had that I probably will beat you by that much Chino but yeah that was a that was just awesome to catch him going into three on the last lap. Going all right which way you're going to go and we did it. Without wrecking each other. You know we just. It was a good good. Good Clean Rice Bobby. As good as the year two thousand was for you. It was also on the same hand very difficult for the sport with the losses losses of Adam. Petty and Kenny Irwin and Tony Roper. And there was just a furious debate over safety. Yep The whole year I mean I it it was. I remember that year in it was a tough year in general. Did you make any kind of changes to your car are. What was your thinking during that time? Yeah not not really I mean I think We put we put the the nets in the right side. Left side of the car. You know for your head And I mean you know on top of three people getting killed there. There's a lot what people got hurt. I mean like her bed and mothers broken leg or things like that and I mean you don't I mean I definitely didn't go home at night and go. This is scary. This is unsafe. This is this is this and it was a You know I think what we did to. Our cars is just kind of do what you know. And we put the safety net and the right side and we put one on the left side because the window net wouldn't do enough for us and so there was a smaller net that we put up there that that did that Did you try the hants. Nope I didn't really now not try that I didn't PRY I. I did this I can probably tell you. I don't even know what it was. How can two thousand? I still had when Adam died. You know I was dumb enough for just naive enough that it was a carburetor. It wasn't a you know as you know mentalities talented when thinking that he could survive if he had to say so I think we were working on our throttle cable. I think at that time you know where we got off the drag racing off of the top fuel car Coaches were we had a cable and several Rod. You know because that was what happened to him was Air Cleaner you know. And then we still wasn't the you know fix all. We had a throttle hang wide open. A Darlington crashed That you're so anyway but no I didn't. Yeah I just. It's that was tough because you know we been at the racetrack or seeing this happening. When you're when you're there you know Kenya obviously were in that New Hampshire? I think Tony it was at Texas truck. We were there that weekend. I'm sure neck data. That was the not before earnhardt won his last. Brace Gotcha okay. So we just I mean it was tough because this is our sport and our people you know what I mean. It was definitely you know everybody series has been through things and we were going through that. At that time you did not lead the championship standings from start to finish that year. But you are are pretty doggone close at what point did you allow yourself to actually think that this might happen. You know I'll be honest with you. I mean ah I felt pretty good. You know pretty early on. I don't want to be cocky about it but I felt pretty good early on. I just I just when you you gotTa feel for your Racecar and the you know the competition and you know where people are trying to you know catch up to you. I mean I felt like we're just like we were just one step ahead so early on I felt like we were. You know you have no idea but I felt like we early on you know. Barney thing disastrous were okay. We you know we're good enough. I mean we were. We were now good enough. We weren't quite good enough the year before even though we thought we were but we. Weren't you know this year two thousand I. Oh I thought we were good enough pretty early on you win the Busch Series Championship and Ashbury emotional. You Win Your First Cup race. And that's pretty emotional Indian then. I think you actually clinched the championship in the year. Two thousand at homestead with a rice to go. What's it like to be at the top of the hill like that I'm it was there? There are moments throughout the year. That kind of I go back to you. Know have to reflect back on a few things and so a couple of those times to me is You're one was at India. The brickyard We're racing rusty Wallace for the win and we can't beat him you know In the short run but we can beat him in the long run NAKASHIMA passing pit. He out front. He pulls way I found kind of get on So then at the end of it I'm thinking you know I think finished third second two two years in a row and I'm catching him and I'm like I finally passing and you know we all know I got by him and ended up win the race. And it's it's like you know you you just know you have a gut feeling of how good you are and how good you are at that time. And how good your team is so That was like one of those checkmark things of like you know were were there I think Darlington for the southern and five hundred in practice leaper road go make a qualifying run a window in the back straightaway. Wide Open get turned three. The throttle hangs wide open. Hit The wall. I come down pit road and crashed there on straightaway. Get out getting back car. Make a couple of APPS I told her I said I think I'm GonNa go the Infield Care Center just to make sure I'm okay. I'm not sure so earnhardt sitting right behind beside us. And they're all like all jacked up because they're like we guarding this weekend. We ended up. We win the race K.. Through the most weirdest race of all we won the race and he could want it and he I led the last collapsed under caution. He comes up. Beat my back bumper off after the checkered flag in just shaking his fist. Yeah I know that makes Chad and But those things you know lead up to when you get to homestead so we're running good and Rockingham. We had target down. We'd both finished about the same but we got home stand. We've got got a huge lead US finish like twenty something in Burghardt wins right so we go out there and I think we might have won the poll. Tony and I were first and second and I think finished fourth Tony Windsor race. I'm not mistaken. I think that's how it worked so anyway in just I mean it's just like it just all you know again it's like people ask me said hey you know if you got a lot of pressure on you know. I didn't realize I had pressure on me until after homestead because then it was like I was relieved and I didn't realize I was just lying. Everybody so bad because they're like are you you know. How much pressure do you have your pressure? I convince myself. There's no pressure here we find and there's a ton of pressure and and when you when you win is like I can't believe that I can believe we did that so it's just one of those you know it's it's Emotions of being able to get to that point dislike amazing that we were so good all year ear and I mean just let all year led most of the year and and finish it off with a race to go and we're just you know that that fast car was just that fast that year. And just you know when you've you when you know your car and you know your team that's just I mean you know you're that good and you're at the top of the heap. It's always good when people always you know. WanNa know where you're at in practice right rear end practice and we were always that guy. was you know in the top five of the lists. It seemed like so. There's no better feeling than that when when you're able to do that. Just put it that way a two thousand and one through two thousand and three. You're still winning. Still Win Two or three races a year a couple of races a year then then in two thousand and four shutout victory lane for the first time in ten years. was there ever a point where you went to Joe and said I need some helper burry. What was that period? Live at. Joe Gibbs racing. Yeah for me. It was tough. I mean because Joe Gone Back to football okay. Yeah he identified boss stuff. Jd was air Running the team. You know Jimmy had moved on to a different role We had a number of crew chiefs. You know different Couple different crew chiefs and Just couldn't seem elect good find the Mojo back to where we pat it. You know in two thousand and I remember when Earnhardt died in two thousand and one. I mean that I mean that you know when you're supposed to walk into Daytona which we did you know with your chest out you got to you know the next right Rockingham your chest. Our you know. We're we're defending champions. When earnhardt died you know of this high MIS remember? I'm not really sure you know I'm just didn't you didn't have that much fun. You know quickly so we went to Texas the two thousand one. I was like we. We blew up again. I was like I don't I think we're that good. It took US figure that. I don't think we're that good anymore so anyway it was a struggle and I you know I mean I point my finger at myself a lot for just like you know what could have done differently differently to okay. Rebound this saying turn it around or help be a part of something instead of it but I think joe leaving and going back to football and just kind of that. I had that comfort. I had that that had that going for me. And just you know Jimmy was you know my guy and then when he was now he's a more the manager and I'm like that and it's you know it's funny I had zippy would come over and he'd asked me a question. I'm like Dude I can't can't you ask them. Why can't you be Makuuchi for day? You something so. It's just a lot of things were happening. And you know you wanNA have Yeah you WanNa have that success and it was just getting Kinda hard and so You know I wish now looking back on it which I could have done something differently. I'm not sure what I could have done but Yeah that was getting to be some tough times times in so finally when it came you know I think we should probably dissolve. This is when when we did. How difficult was that is very difficult? I mean in in one hand you wanted a new fresh something fresh because you want to be successful and you want to do good and the other hand it's it's it's tough because you're not You're not doing As well as you think you should difficult time after that you drove for a few you different car owners. You drove for petty enterprises. You drove for Ted Jody Scheckter and Brad Doherty and I guess a couple of others after her being at the top of the heap as I mentioned for as long as you are. What were those years for you? Yeah that was you know. It's you know going to the Pettis ladies you know I was. I thought I thought that was going to be you know when they put robby in there and you know I was. You know this is as you know this thing where you can you. Can you like gibbs what there was a single car team racing against other teams and you. You didn't win right away but you you were able to help be a part of organization that went from one. Two races uses to now. They're win a champion right and so at the time like the Pettis it was like okay. They're this point and they're you know in in their this point today and you believe in yourself and you go I go over there. You put this person there and you put top parrot there and you put so and so there and you put you know few the people in the right places and you have influx of money that you can help build that to the next to what what you experienced that Gibson. For instance right. Could you take what you learn. You take your life lessons. You take your race lessons and racing knowledge and you hope to turn that into a winning formula as well Oh and It seemed like that was going to it was kind of going the right way to the first for the first little bit and then it you know then. It was a became more of a struggle and realization. That we're you know we'RE NOT GONNA we're only gonNA spend so much and we're not going to get any further so it was like. How do you get past that you know? Yeah and and then you know and then at me you know that point time. Then you're like you're you're you know as as that wasn't happening time still passes and you're yeah then you can't how do you get. How do you grab a hold of that? You know it happened to Terry. When recalled him right it was actually the agent because he called I answered the phone? They call it hate speech. Your brother I think we're GONNA tear. You're GONNA do this so but for me. That wasn't there. Wasn't there rekindle that said. Hey come drive my car because we believe in you and your yeah. It was at that point in time. It was like Picking Slam. You know you're looking throughout the garage just like You know things were you know. You're you're chess. You're losing at your chest game. Did you get caught. Maybe in the rest of the young guns so to speak because obviously he did not forget. Forget how to drive a race car right. You don't do that. No no I think that I don't think it was a young gun thing I mean I remember when I came in urban. I hate you because you're take my job one day. You know I'm just kidding around but because I was younger than him so I don't think I got. I don't think I was at that point in time. It wasn't that seemed like that. Big a deal until later. Two two thousand fourteen fifteen sixteen. You just run three or four Rice's year most late Daytona and Talladega kind of like what Terry d At the end of his career was that just for fun Or were you still trying to maybe get on with a more established team. Well I knew that that candle was getting dimmer right right Far As career goes you know I mean I was still doing things behind the scenes that you know I could probably tell you about now but at the time I couldn't tell you about As far as Working in testing and stuff like that for different teams or for actual more for one team but So I was being busy doing stuff in cars minus four. And you know there wasn't I mean you know it's just like your paper. Here's yeah that's that's on its printed in. Its for sure this is. This is really what it is so much opportunity with Josh Comstock and Archie and and Frankie were to drive that you know they asked me drive the cars good for them is good for me to Kinda you know and I mean sure. There was a point in time. It's like I wanna run every erase and then after. I didn't run all the races. Oh went and I had. I had a couple offers. You know that were not you know. They're they're not going to be winning. Cars of course behavioral and drive a car. I was like ham really kind of enjoyed a couple of weekends off here. And they're going to do that. I should go to Atlanta. Beat my head against the wall right so it Kinda uh evil into doing that stuff for Archie. Josh passed away comstock passed away. You know I knew that that was you know that was like okay. This is not going to keep going. Because he sponsored the car is friend of ours from Texas and he held archie out. I mean you think of Archie if he hadn't you know things like that if maybe I terry and I had little influence on what archie that today getting his deal was you know S. HR small granular. Of course yes josh. Comstock did will long with a lot of other people that kind of helped keep him in the sport to the point now where he's got a different opportunity than we have say. Well I can't go to Daytona this year because I don't have enough money or Speier. You know his out the picture so for him to stay there and for us to have that little fun time with him you know. Help hopefully has been something that he's been able to reap but for for me it was you know I. I don't know it was fun. It was still racing racing and I loved it. I love it but at the same time I knew that there wasn't like I mean God forbid something happened to somebody and coach Gibbs. Hey can you do this for us or you know like David Reagan did when Kyle got hurt or somebody you know it's like okay you know you're you you know where you're at so you just Kinda you do what you do what you can't seventeen and eighteen. What was it like being on the sidelines? And not drop it. was that a difficult adjustment for you. was that as two years three. Yeah it was what seventy go by. the Yeah I mean it was in You know so I I mean I wouldn't out of a race car. I still got to do a little bit something here and there but you know so. It's not like ours testing getting Well I raced in Europe last year. Yes so I do once in seventeen and did once this year so So at least I wasn't you know I was always you know I was kind of still doing something and I wouldn't do in the testing stuff as much of course but you know and then the the deal with Fox came about and so you know it's like I'll be honest with you. I was like how in the world did it get stuff done before. I'm busier now than ever. And it's like what in the world am I doing so between the Fox stuff last year and going to Europe and all that I mean that was I mean I love what I'm doing. I'm staying busy because I know that I can't do. I can't do that again but what I'm doing right now. At this point is really exciting is really good and I enjoy that But trust me you know the first race that I didn't go to That was supposed to go to and I didn't go to and I wasn't hurt a man's like wow this is this stinks you know and but then again later and Terry told me. He said it's going to is. It'll it'll stink for a while because then you'll you'll come about later and you'll go more friends ever thought I would you know it's it's like yeah and they really didn't care much about race anyway. They just won't be afraid. You told me I had a coach helped me through this so yes I mean I want to. I'd rather I'd rather drive a race racecar than anything out there but I also enjoy doing doing different things last question. Tell me about running bowman gray this year man. Those guys don't all play out there and I would imagine to be honest with you if I'm at Bowman Gray and I'm beating around there and I've got my little modified defied and I'm wanting to make a name for myself and I got a shot at Bobby Labonte. I'm GONNA take a shot at Bobby Labonte Yeah did you. Experience what went on at Bowman Gray will be honest with you My friend Chris Williams driving a modified up there and like he's he. Can you come over and help me one day. I was like sure so my wife's US at school on a Saturday doing school stuff and so all right so I went up there a paid five dollars to get in they charged. Do you charge chef dollars so paid five dollars. Gate walked in there. Yeah so I helped Chris I like he's he's you drive it. I said all right. I'll drive so I run about ten after fifteen laps. Wow that's good so we you know. I talked to him a little bit. You know what I thought and watch me and I'll watch him. He's coming back tonight. I said I'll probably not yeah probably won't come back night. I'm only eleven miles away so I go home. I was like you know I got through eating dinner. I might go back up there. You got the bug so I pay a Winnie dollars to get in the past. Twenty or twenty five dollars saw three fights and a heck of a race. That's the best bit long all the time so then I went back three two or three more times watched you watched eight. Hundred was up there one night and you know we were just watching from the grandstands and so so went back one night and practice or one day in practice again. So may deal with. Burt Myers and Jason. You know to drive on their cars and so we did that. I did that and I'm telling you what I was like. I ain't qualified car long time. You know it's like we got one lap qualifier. It's GonNa be good right so I was watching Rob Jefferies run and You know. Watch Tim Brown. Danny Bone. Obviously Jason and Bert Frank Fleming number guy freight claiming back race in my late model Yeah just you know was it Randy Butner Know Him so I knew I knew a lot of people there. So so you want Qualified Marin qualified eighth and we had a big night for us because my best friend passed away the week before that so had his kids up there and some other friends and family and they just had a good time. I mean that was fun so anyway it was is. It's it's amaz- it's awesome. Yeah I mean. That's fifteen thousand people in the grants and the you could see them. Yeah I mean you can see their fingers you. Can you see the drinks either shirts or no shirts. You can see it all and I know one guy told me. He said he smelt. He had beer poured on he was. Somebody threw beer on on him like he's on the track and they threw beer from the beer section and he spent like beer afterwards. I mean you know I was pretty funny story but anyway I I enjoyed it I thought it was was great I'm looking forward to going back this year and doing it again because I mean it's just like you know I. I never drove a modified. My life worked at Jay Hitchcock's for a year looked at them like. Why are you doing that onerous car but anyway I it was just a lot of fun and I'm glad I did it and I want to do it again Happy Holidays everyone. And thank you for listening to the scene. UNBOUGHT podcast. This is Eric Quinn the general manager at Qa Accu- where we are extremely excited to be involved with seem ball. PODCAST and everything that Rick Steve or doing to preserve the history of NASCAR accuweather. That's what we do we help you and your business take care of the stuff that you own if you'd like to know more about Q.. Wear and what we can do for your business head over to Q.. WEAR CMS dot com that's Q.. WEAR CMS DOT com from all of us at Q.. Where thank you for listening and we hope you have the happiest of holidays the merriest of Christmases and we hope that twenty twenty is the best year you've ever had so Steve Bobby? Ah Bonnie talked in this segment of the interview. I did with him. He talked about Tony. Stewart coming on board as his teammate. At Joe Gibbs racing the gaining in nineteen ninety. I'm not into things really stood out to me about about what he said number one. He said that in essence. Tony was a good guy behind the saints. That somebody that some of us in the media didn't exactly get to see some well. I agree with that also agree that Tony was a good guy behind the scenes. Because I've built right behind the scenes and I can tell you. Yeah he's racist very competitive and okay. I'll go in line and say that he probably has anger management issues early in his career. But when you got to know him a little bit and he got to the point where he was comfortable with you it was a different person. The second thing that kind of stood out about one talk about what bobby was saying was it was very apparent. That body was trying his best to not say anything that he shouldn't uh he was trying to play it pretty straight I can understand that. And then Steve another thing that really kind of jumped out at me about this interview. He finished second to to Dale Jarrett for the Nineteen Ninety Nine Two cup championship and he talked about sitting at the banquet watching Dj except all of his accolades and and he said that he was very angry. Bread yeah because he wanted to be onstage. He had chased. Dj All year and he talked last week about the relationship that he had with DJ and trading information and when DJ was on. And be leaving. Joe Gibbs Robert Gates dates and DJ was helping him trying to open the door. A little bit. Get his foot in the door with Joe Gibbs and all that and bobby said that they talked every day about what was going on on and what they could do to get the rods that they wanted but not to ninety nine Winston Cup Championship banquet It's a different story. Yeah no I'll know that he's necessarily surly Matt at DJ. I think he was just mad at the fact that he had come up short right. He was frustrated. I think that's the way to put it. Bobby actually said that he hit gotten deals autograph back when DJ was in the Busch series. and Bobby Lewis running late model so I don't think it was again. I don't think it was anything anything in their relationships I should show. It's not personal is professional more or less because when they get on the track but let's face it things whole lot different than they are off. The track. Friends are friends ads away from the race track but on the right track. I don't know that you rice a friend maybe a little bit harder. You see that a lot so the year two thousand rolls around and Bobby Ebony is on point is he ever Steve He finished sixth in the Daytona five hundred that year. He dominates at Rockingham the next week and wins which moved him up to second in the point. Standings it goes to the top of the standings after Las Vegas which was the third race of the year and Steve. That's where he stayed for the rest of the year with the exception of just one week after the first Talladega race where he dropped to second behind Mark Martin was his year no two way it was his. I mean they might as well written him the check. You know sometime around July say but he won four races including the brick yard four hundred and the southern five hundred. Steve here's the one that Kinda blows my mind. Hey finished all but seven laps about that seven laps the entire year and he won the championship by two hundred. Sixty five points over deller now that is consistency. That consistency is exactly great. Winning the championship by that point system was all about over the course never mind. I'M NOT GONNA go. Hey wanted over the course of the full season and yes. He clenched it with a rice to go but that was his championship and he absolutely deserved. It earned it earned it and at Darlington the southern five hundred. There's more to that store than just a number in the win column. He goes out and practice to make a qualifying run on. He gets up to speed going into turn. Three and Steve. The throttle hangs wide open and he plows into the wall. And that's the very same thing that had happened to Adam. Petty and Kenny Jeannie Irwin earlier that year so that was a pretty big story. Absolutely it happened to Adam and Kenny at New Hampshire and tragic results. He told Jimmy Amy my car he said I. I think I'd better go to the Infield Care Center. Just be sure and of course he goes on to win the race. which was the big story? Bobby Bobby said that Dale earnhardt Jr team was like yeah. We got him now. You know they. They saw bobby being kind of ginger around the race car. Kind of banged up a little bit. They thought they might be able to only natural form to feel that way but bobby goes on to win race then. Bobby talked about winning the Winston Cup championship which was obviously the highlight of his career. He was the only driver ever to win both the Busch Series Championship and the Winston Cup Championship. He the and Terry are the only brothers to have won the championship. Is that right. Yeah Okay Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's the case. And then he goes to Daytona one of the next year kind of walking tall chess bowed out a little bit as he should and everything happens on the last lap of the two thousand and one Daytona I. Five hundred and and Steve. Bobby actually made the comment that that took a lot of the fun away from defendant. His wants to cup championship. Well that is certainly understandable and bobby was not the only driver if you will that way and I might add a whole lot of fans felt that way too big earnhardt heart fans just had the wind knocked out of well. I think what happened. Was the questions change from. Hey Bobby what's it like to defend your wish to cup championship. How you think your season's gone there? Were still those kinds of questions but always always always always that year. They're going to be questions about Dell earnhardt questions about safety questions about the device. Soft walls whatever. Yeah all those temp ix that you just mentioned took precedence over almost everything else. Steve if bobby eventually left Joe Gibbs racing after the two thousand and five season and after that he kinda bounced around a little bit did some time with petty enterprises and Jt Jack daugherty racing tad and Jodi and then he did some testing for a tamer to and then stave he kinda got to a place where or he actually enjoyed having a weekend off every now and then rather than having to go to the race track and be head against Walnut being as competitive as he wants had been. I can understand that because I think many drivers reach a point in their career where they think. Hey this crazy I I'm I'm never home I'm always worried about how I'm running. I don't need this grief and take a different turn so two thousand and nineteen. He Goes Bowman Gray Stadium to kind of hang out with a buddy of his. And then the buddy he is Kinda says. Hey do you wanna come back to the race track and then the BUG Kinda hits. It's in he winds up barring a car to run a modified race or two at Bowman Gray stadium leave of his since the Steve. I'm GonNa tell you. Watch the truth fans at Bowman Gray Stadium. They take their racing sears. Yes series now. Let let me ask you this. What is another just overwhelming piece of Trivia about Bowman Gray Stadium? Well I can tell you this. I've only been there one time. Relay that's right. Never had the opportunity to go except for this one time but I think one legend about Bowman Gray that I think is pretty interesting is that there was a young young man there one time who had a job selling peanuts at Bowman Gray Stadium and dreaming aiming about being a racer. Well he became a race driver and then he became a team owner and then he became a championship kinship. Let's see what's that guy's name I can come up. That say you can think of it. Richard childress children children. Children are see Richard childress got his start selling peanuts and popcorn there. But that's not the piece of Trivia that was looking for okay. Okay what you're looking for yours truly for that one Houston. Oh One. Summer drove the pace car at Bowman Bowman Gray Stadium there. I gotTa tell you was a highlight. How did the mock career well? The fact of the matter is great garrison who is the promoter. There Bowman Gray has been in his family since it began. His grandfather was Alvin. Hawkins who basically opened the place and and Greg Garrison went to church with me. Obviously I had asked gray about driving the pace car tomor to end the year before he had actually let me drive it. A couple of races aces and I rode with the regular pace car driver. Mike Norman for wanted the rice is that not and then we switched seats and I drove and Dan. Mike Rode Shotgun and then for the finale the modified races. He got out of the car and said I'm going to beat traffic. I'll see you later. Yeah so I'm driving the car solo. My very first not ever been in the pace car so that was a blast but then the next year I got to grab probably five or six Saturday nights because Mike Norman actually raised a modified and the nights that he would raise. They would call me to you drive the pace car so you talk about some experience. All right I gotTa tell this one story there was one night the track would get. VIP's come in and run the pace car and there is this one night where it was a mom and her daughter and mom was probably in her fifties or so and the daughter was probably in her twenties. Somewhere in their mom wouldn't feel any pain. You mean that mom mom was lit guys you gotta the device so and it was eight atomic year when the do sat on the grass pretty early at night. They called a caution and gun the pace car which was a brand new Camaro so it had a little bit of horsepower. Gun The pace car out from where it sat and when those tires it hit the do on that grass man I did a full on Dukes of hazzard. Slide there the Infield as trying to get onto the racetrack and Mama the whole. Oh time is just so that was one incident and then another time they called a Colin and I got to where I was going to enter the right track and got on the right track and I looked in Rivi mirror and evidently at least some of the drivers had not gotten the word that that there was a caution and they were bearing down on pretty heart gay. So that was that was interesting. I'LL BET but again I've said it before on the show. The pace car driver is the coolest job in recent. Oh that was such a coal summer and and finally Steve the Nascar Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony here in a few weeks. Joe Gibbs racing is going to be well represented with Joe Gibbs with with Tony Stewart and with Bobby Labonte. I don't know of any other induction class where anyone team has been so well represented. I don't think so inserting I. Penny enterprises has several members in. But they were in different here. Yeah it's GonNa be a big big not for that organization and joining joining. The organization will be Buddy Baker the late but he beggar. And why they're Wilson who's been on the show. Yes what L. Wilson. So yeah that's GonNa be a great night. What does it say about? Joe Gibbs racing that they have been able to produce such a phenomenal success. It it says a lot about their town no question about it but also says a lot about Joe's leadership part of being a leader is to acquire the best people to work round. You and for you and with you. I think that's a big big plus for Joe Gibbs bidding coaching all his life he knows how to handle people I mean. He knows how to recognize their talents and put good use. That's what he's done and still doing to this day. Because Joe Gibbs racing is still one of the best organizations in Nascar do this day so I think certainly that something that he dealt with when he was a coach no question the NFL. Because when you have that many people on a roster you're going to have a very very very wide array personnel of personalities of backgrounds sounds of economic backgrounds of upbringings of colleges. And all those different stories you gotta figure out a way to make all those get headed in the right direction. And he he brought that to NASCAR. Because certainly he's had drivers Tony Stewart and Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin who all ever talking about a wide range of personalities. They're whether they're good better indifferent and weather fans Lacombe or not. You still going to have the right chemistry correct. And he's been. I won't find that for a lot of years now. Steve followed Brian Kale on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot Oetzi Dot Com and again again. This week we had some exchanges between some of our twitter followers and Brian asking about some of the products that he had. I think he posted some Davey. Allison t shirts shirts and some debut and paraphernalia and some different t shirts. Yeah the remarkable inventory so again. I believe that this deal is working out for Bryan. Certainly worked out for US so again. Follow Brian on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot Oetzi Dot Com. Okay Steve John K Osborne at John Osborne one on twitter asked. What driver did each of you personally dislike back over them anyway and then our second question was okay? Okay and you and I have talked about necessarily how to tactfully answer that question. I'm going to say this. I don't know that there was any one driver or personality. Finality in the sport crew chief car owner whatever. I don't know that there was any one person in the sport that I actually got to spend some time with and got to know away from the race track that I didn't like that somewhat of a difficult question to answer because the drivers that I got to know and I got to know play any. Am Yes we're very hard to dislike. I mean personally slightly. Yes they some of them. They made our lives. Hell when it came to trying take the time or brush you often you might say. Wow they just don't like that guy 'cause he just brushed me off well he may yet a the reason. We've talked a lot about Tony Stewart. He's a perfect example of what I'm talking about I had my difficulties with him professionally and one Sunday at cinema. In the back of his hauler we decided we were going to have it out. Tony's real problem was a story that was published in seen ridden in by Jeff. Owens yeah a true professional in which Tony complained about. Being in that star in overtime himself didn't like being bothered by the fans and of course he did later tried to deny all of that and that was the issue that we had basically between the paper and between between Tony and myself included so we decided to have it out in the back of the hall and we talked and talked and exchange views. And after that I had a much different view Tony even when he did things at the track that would totally uncalled for. I still had a different view. So even with Tony Stewart who I think is one of the drivers. The most people think the pressed. I'd want to have anything to do with over the years. I even with him when I got to know him. It was a different view. Found that to be true. So many driver. Yes Sir even Kyle Busch. I've gone to his face as you'd like to wear the black cat. You're the best lunch archer and he said in so many words. I'm loving every minute of it when it comes to Tony Again. I didn't get the chance to know him personally when then he first broke into the division was making some starts in the Busch series his PR team. At Joe Gibbs racing. They put together a media dinner at at Dover one year and we went to dinner but there were several media members there and I sat down the table from him that that was actually a rice. That my wife Jany went to and she went to that dinner with me and so she's talking to the guy across the table and we. He drove away from that dinner that night and she said well Tony Stewart's a great guy. I really enjoyed doing and I was like what are you talking about. Tony Stewart was into the the end of the table. She thought that Tim Sullivan. who was working with NASCAR? Pr At the time. She thought that Tim Sullivan was Tony. Stewart uh-huh what there were other media members sitting closer to him and there was one in particular who who kind of dominated the conversation that I ah that is so I didn't get the chance to know Tony. And there were two or three times where I tried to get up with him after a race after a cup race when I was doing a sidebar on him and it didn't go well where yeah I remember one time in his trial Kikinda he. He made it. He made a comment Alexander to about my size. Yeah and I will say this. I don't know that anybody in that sport has been ask pure a racer as what Tony Stewart. He has to be honest with you. I got the impression from Tony that if he had been able to strap into his rice car. Put his helmet on run the race. Get the checkered flag. Then go to his motor coach and walk away from the race. Track in never deal with the media would have been perfectly content. I think to now also say this in his defense again. I didn't get to know him personally. Those that do know him personally. Say the same thing. They say that he is a wonderful guy and has a heart of gold. Well I hope this answers the question. Both of us are thank gave the same as well. which is it's very hard to dislike drivers that you know personal yes? It's now that hard when it's just on a professional level and we brought up Tony's name I guess because he's easy obvious target here But others have been the same way. We've Benji cowboys and there are a few others now. I'd like to reverse the question. which is yet as a lot over the years who is my favorite driver and again when you know them personally? That's a very difficult question to ask. Absolutely wego professional is a little bit easier. My way of thinking about my favorite driver speaking professionally is the one that takes time time to talk to you. We give me a hard time about trying to talk Angi good solid and yes not just yes or no. We've talked also about Dale earnhardt several times on this show and the relationship that you had with him in the relationship I had with him which wasn't much uh-huh I remember one time. It was after the six hundred at Charlotte and I had been assigned the Dale Earnhardt sidebar. And I gotTa tell you it wasn't was it because I didn't like him of course respected his chievements but after a race del Earnhardt did not make it easy on reporters to talk doing absolutely not and he came out of that trailer and he and Richard childress got on their golf cart and JR roads was driving the golf cart and earnhardt looked at made may dead and in that moment the look on his face at what do you got make it quick and I froze froze in in that moment and when I froze the golf cart took off if I had had my wits about me. I would've jumped on the golf cart with them. I have actually early interviewed Dale on a dead run from Garage K.. Stand to his car outside the Roger he answered all my questions nations. No problem with that. Well those walk and Talks Got Kinda dangerous at times because at Richmond one year. We were doing the walk and talk with Rusty Wallace. Alice and there was a camera guy kind of walking backwards film and the whole thing and as we entered the garage. The cameraman fell over. It was like ten car pileup. We all fell over. And Basically Steve the next question that we had comes from Jeff Markowski Kaczynski at the underscore NASCAR JEFF on twitter. And he wanted to know how big of a cluster was the Tabasco. GO FIASCO Roy Moore. Who how much time do you? How well Steve here is what I was Zabell to clean in a nutshell? There was a ton of hot going into the nineteen. Ninety eight season with a new team owned by Bob Hampshire called international international sports management. That was the name of the rice team. Todd Bodine was going to be the driver and of course Tabasco was going to be the sponsor and this was a pretty good sponsorship. This was of course a very well known company had been around for longtime in there were models made of Todd's car there were dock Hass made of of his car. There was a todd. Bow Down Cookbook. So I wonder if Brian Calvin could come up with one of those todd. Bodine Cookbook and Steve. There was a ton eight-tonne a ton of marketing that went into that operation but but evidently there wasn't a whole lot of attention paid to the actual nuts and bolts hours to the therein. Was the problem. The performance on the track was just just pitiful and that said a lot about how the team was running when it came to competition. Marketing was fine but marketing doesn't win raises the fact of the matter areas. Todd Bodine can drive a race car. He is a good shoe. I believe that todd could have held his own. Against either of his Branca's I on the right attract so he could drive a race car. There's no doubt about that but he did fell to offer the season's first three races they didn't have points to fall back on and then Dan he qualified second and finished tenth in Atlanta but then he started to miss more rice. Yeah and that's that's a real shame because you have this fine sponsor coming in it's basketball product to everybody knows and they are pouring all kinds of money into it and they're doing what a good sponsor should do a good spots. It's a never just gives a team a check and stands around backs it up with marketing and advertising to gain the necessary attention. They really need. That's what Tabasco was doing. But the result they were so bad that all right the the basketball team became a joke. That's the only way I could put it and Dan Dera Walter's team had kinda run. Its course and western auto had gone away and then he was having some trouble with some subsequent sponsors Tim. Beverly Everley wound up buying darrow. Walter's team renamed it Tyler jet motorsports and then Tim Beverly also bought the Tabasco sponsored car from Hatcher and and so maybe this was gonna be. The turnaround thinks that that team needed Well No. Dwi had found some success driving the number one Pinzel car for Dale Earnhardt Inc but then once the park came back from his injuries. Darryl was right back in a pretty bad situation with tyler jet and with Tabasco car and Steve Hey took thirteen champions provisionals in fifteenth starts. That was that was sad. That was saying fifty stars again. I can only stress. SO-CALLED TABASCO FIASCO was not not based on Tabasco it was based on team performance and to see Darryl take thirteen champions perennials in fifteen eighteen races. It was sad at first. And then it became ludicrous so that that reflected very poorly and unfairly on Tabasco. The moral of the story is that Tabasco was a decent spots. Are they pretty much got driven sport by team. That literally wasn't up to speed. The sponsor is important but everything has to be an order absolutely. We've already mentioned this many times. When it came to marketing Tabasco was right on target and offering the money it took to be competitive? They're right on target but they're competitive results. Were just awful and that just did not reflect very well on Tabasco which was gone one year so I have a question when you work in racing like we did for so long you accumulate a lot of stuff and one person's trash winds up being another person's treasure true and I gotTa have a story to tell about milt Heflin who was my co author on the Mission Control Book. I went to Mills House while we were writing the book and everything and visited his his office and he had a lot of knickknacks from his time NASA had a Lotta souvenirs and that kind of thing on top of his bookshelf was a contractor tractor model of the Hubble Space Telescope. It is probably maybe eighteen inches dollars. Pretty good sized model on the outside of it it had were all the lines. The Power Airlines were located and all that had the solar rays e opened up the top of it and there's actually a mirror inside for the telescope and all that well I thought it was pretty cool but it was just sitting on top of milk. Shelf had been sitting there for probably twenty five years since he was the flight director for the mission that service the Hubble Space Telescope and I went out to my car car and I checked on Ebay I was GonNa say if I could get one because I just thought it was neat Steve. I found one auction where this very same contractors model had been auctioned sixteen thousand dollars and I'm amy took a screen capture of that and I sent it back to mill. He was still not impressed. It was just something that he had had for years and years and years collecting dust on bookshelf and so now every once in a while he will send me a picture of is model. He took it out his garage. His unheeded unairconditioned garage garage is junk garage and all that so it was out there for a little while. He actually hung it on his bird theater. Just I guess just to give me a heart attack so milt has a lot of NASA stuff. You and I have a lot of NASCAR stuff of all the stuff that you have. What would you consider considered to be your most treasured memento? Well you're tying to okay and it's probably going surprise you a little bit. I have a framed named five dollar. Bill that was my payment given to me by David Pearson Through have bat really wow dollars and signed it but what he wrote was the following. I did not lose this. He cheated. Well you opened the door. What was the bet? I cannot remember can you remember. Can you not tell on family oriented. Show uh-huh now. The other is going to be a little bit unusual. It is a cigarette ashtray astray trimmed in gold. Porcelain trimmed in gold and in the center of it is a painting of Buddy. Baker's nineteen nineteen seventy three Ford Grande Torino. The drove for Bud Moore. Wow Okay it's never had anything put in it at all all it's in pristine shape and I've been offered a thousand dollars for every really. Yeah wow but I don't know of anybody who can come up with that same ashtray anywhere so as hard. It is to believe an ashtray. Lease the back. Okay so you and I have done a lot of joking about. What's your tracks rookie card and offering them to our patriot? Supporters and it being an official rookie card in your garage are hanging to uncut sheets sheets of that entire set now. I gotTa tell you if I were you. Those cards would be kind of at the top of the heat they are. They are right up and very very proud of having those two uncut sheets cards and there was a time when I would thought that they would put my kids through well. That's a different in store that did happen. That's a different story all right rick. I've gone through my list. What are your most prized NASCAR possessions? Well obviously there's the same ball itself and all those newspapers thirty two years in newspapers every issue of saying ever. That would obviously be my biggest memento but I had the chance to go and cover the very first exhibition race in Japan. That was a momentous trip. Yeah I remember that that. That was an amazing adventure and when we got over there of course everything happened with Elmo and that was very sad and then it's a different things happen while we were over over there but I went into one of the gift shops outside the racetrack and I bought a couple of Sam Bass prints bright for that race from what I remember. They were marked at what would amount to be thirty dollars each but from what I understand they were supposed to be marked at what would have been three hundred dollars so I got him for pre game prize. So I got the two prints and I took them around the garage and got every driver in the field to sign him as a reporter as a journalist you're not supposed to get autographs autographs. That's normally taboo. But that far away from home and being in that kind of situation and staying at the same hotel it just hasn't had a different field so I got every driver in the field to sign that print and to this day. One of those prints is hanging in in my den re release something. So you know Dale earnhardt Jr on that Terry Labonte Jeff. Gordon Rusty Wallace who won the race. All the Japanese happened as drivers one actually signed in Japanese which was kind of cool. So yeah that's my Momento of my time in racing Hi I'm Kirk Shell Medine. You're listening to the scene vault podcast. He'll be careful going home. Use Your turn signal where your seat belts and get the hell out of the Left Lane Steve. 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The Great Sweater Race

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The Great Sweater Race

"It's episode one. Forty three of the Cincinnati and Dayton sports podcast and it's the great sweater rates held by the fine folks at Ohio Hockey Digest Dot Com. Who won the Best Hockey Jersey in the state plus a whole heap of Van News if you like? Sports and southwest. Ohio has struck on this Tuesday. If it's sports in Cincinnati and Dayton Ohio. It's on this podcast. Welcome to the Cincinnati Dayton. Sports podcast with Lee w mountain. This is a weekly podcast dedicated to sports happening. In the Cincinnati and Dayton Ohio region visit the Lee wwl dot com slash podcast to listen on your favorite platforms like apple podcast. Google podcasts tune in spotify the iheartradio APP and more follow the host on twitter at delete w Malan and the podcast at Syndey. Fahd opening theme is Arpey by Dan. Hannigan from the Youtube Music Library Collection. Now for your host Lee w Maui and before we began episode one forty three. I like to take this time to save. You didn't get to listen up so one forty two. I really liked that episode. I interviewed Chris Collins. Who's the broadcasting voice of the right State University raiders part of? Who Radio really enjoyed that interview? I highly recommend going back and listening to one forty. Two and just as a little spoiler tweeted on Sunday pot on twitter earlier. Today there are some more views down the pipeline. And eventually if I asked more people hopefully we'll be more during this quarantine so be on the lookout for that or the hero for that. This is an audio podcast. After all so today I wanted to talk about the Ohio. Hockey Digests High School Jersey Tournament. That wrapped up Sunday at midnight. And there were a couple of Cincinnati Dayton area schools that got into the preliminary rounds and there was a Columbus area school that went to the final but before we cover that in detail by the way by the fine folks at Ohio Hockey Digest Dot Com and Scott Harrington they do a great job run that site there has been a slew of bad news sitting this Tuesday April. Twenty first twenty twenty and I don't remember seeing such a wave bad news in its multiple angles and this first one will hit our friends in Champaign county the hardest now or abandoned university you know. I've covered them over the course of my podcasts. Nc AA division to school in our Bana and they've been open since eighteen fifty and they are the Blue Knights. They belong in the Mountain East conference well. According to the Website Today Urbana. University will be shutting their physical location in favor of online schooling through Franklin University after the conclusion offspring twenty twenty basically are Banner University is shutting down. And if you want some that are banned a university education. It goes to Franklin University low bit history on that Franklin University not the original owner Orban. But they picked up you in two thousand. Fourteen Urbana has a one hundred twenty eight Acre residential campus nestled in the heart of Ohio. Or man a very lovely town. It's north of Springfield and a good university and it's a crying shame that campus. That's been open since. Nineteen fifty is shutting their doors for good now. This is the first school that I know of around here. That shutting the doors during the Quarantine. The Corona virus if you remember trying to think when that was when Cincinnati Christian closed their doors. It's the second school to shut their physical doors. Espaillat of about four months or so. 'cause I thought it was December is football season. I know that they finished that and it didn't get to winter sports anyway. So that's that for Orban. Once this spring twenty twenty term comes to an end. There's going to be a lot of coaches players students and faculty and staff that going to be out of a job and this hurts. This hurts I you know I. I've never caught at our band game at you. You I've seen. The Brad are blue nights that sita villain central state when I was broadcasting with marauders. This hurts. This really hurts Urbana hs really good campus. Really good programs especially women's basketball. There's a lot of love that was shared for that. Now that's gone and all the sports there seventeen. Ncwa division to sports and three intercollegiate club. Sports that's going to need new homes now of course with this closure any athlete at are bad. I can just transfer out and they don't have to wait. It's not their fault or ban closed so I think most the athletes will be able to find homes but think of the historic impact. That are had. That's that's sad and that broke my heart. Just I have to think Brandon Pontiac used the first one to find out about it and I thought he shared that are banned was going to close up the men's soccer team when it turned out to be much much worse. Now Elliot's our band of getting rid of the men's soccer team getting rid of everything and then it goes to Franklin University to discontinue physical operations on the air branch after this spring. Twenty twenty semester has ended now Franklin University. I believe they're mostly online. I think had a physical campus in Franklin vol places. Just seventy three. When you head out towards spring borough but that they haven't been there like quite some time I think fifteen years or something. It's been a while but yeah it's at a level stress and uncertainty to Obama's prospects that make it impossible to sustain that gave Franklin University hard choice. Shut it down like a mention. Very Very Sad. Liked her campus. Good athletic programs in D. two in the area and now the biggest city in Champaign county will have a one hundred twenty eight Acre empty spot now with Christian. I think there was. I haven't looked up what's happened to that sense but I think there was a group from Missouri that wanted to open a back up not for Cincinnati Christian. But for you know themselves. I don't know if anything's going to be like that on the table. I I don't know so or Abana. Currently served one thousand two hundred and fifty four students so not a big campus per se but still under twenty eight acres. That's not bad intentions in this press. Release that most. The students will continue their studies uninterrupted because again Franklin universities mostly online so go on the computer learn online you degree that way but our university as we know it Moby shut down one hundred eleven fulltime employees on the burnt or on campus will be affected by this closure at a number of these employees who worked there will be offered employment at Franklin University. Those who will not continue to have Franklin will be offered severance packages which is nice to help with this difficult transition. So like mentioned tough time at are shutting down after the Spring. Twenty twenty semester calls it a day. I I look at her band situation and I think with Franklin picking it up you know. There is a little bit more hope that it would continue on. I don't remember if Obama was in trouble in terms of like flow. Dodd like doing bad things but you know being able to sustain everything. It's still very sad time if you want to read more you can go to our band dot. Edu SLASH CLOSURE. There are five categories. You can look students general. Faq's alumni donors partnerships in athletics and the athletes. One since this is sports podcast. Campus officials will be working with officials at the NC Double A. and M. E. C. That's the mountain. East conference to obtain guidance on the most effective ways to transition these student athletes who wish to transfer driver institutions to continue their athletic endeavors. I retweeted a baseball players video on him. Crank home run over the left center wall and you think have that name for you which pop it up right here real quick. I can tell you that. Looks like it's Griff Stevens Griff Stevens. Seven on twitter looking for a new home forty five re tweets at the time of this recording. One hundred six likes and eleven replies so. I certainly hope that these blue knights will be able to recover during this tough time and while. That's that's the way to start a Tuesday. One of the oldest universities around here closing their doors so my heart goes out to all the folks that are banning university that now have to find new homes. New Jobs new everything. It's very tough and now we move onto our banning university closing their doors forever to eighteen. That's closing their doors for the year. As you know we are heading into May next week next Friday as May the first and summer's not too far away while there is one team that will not be playing in. Usfl leaked to action this year and that would be Cincinnati. Dutch lions. This press release was just released a couple of hours ago. The Cincinnati Dutch lions F C have physically made the decision to forego playing in the twenty twenty. Usa leaked to season due to the current state caused by the Global Pandemic. That is big news. Right now USO leaked to hasn't mentioned anything about as cancellations. There's been few Sports Leagues. That have said that's it like the AFL indoor football league. That's the home of my favorite mascot team. Ever the Iowa barnstorming and they used to have the goggles the like the flight goggles on the helmets. Great Look but fails already canceled things off right now summer. Collegiate baseball hasn't yet I mentioned may is coming up. May What is it? The Twentieth Twenty ninth. That is the start of the prospect league season and June. Fifth is right now. The Great Lakes Summer Collegiate League season opener right now. Those been touched. We still have yet to find out what's going to happen with the twenty twenty. Mlb and seasons namely the reds and Dayton dragons. But since he's going ahead and say nope. We're not taking any chances. I admire since decision on this. It's not an easy one to make. I mean you're not going to be able to play. I mean that's sponsorship money that I mean I'm sure there's ways to get sponsorship money when you're not playing but you get one saying I mean must you might. He's made through sponsorships and people walking through the gate with with no games to go. Where's the gate? Oh yeah there is none so very very tough and again Brandon Pontiac. Actually I think it was the official twitter. Cincinnati dl FC shared. First and then brandon shared a little bit later. He's the goalie coach for since he's Dutch lions squad. The decision has taken time and numerous conversations to make the right decision for the Club Staff. Incoming players sponsors and of course the great fans of CDL FC. The decision's been made to ensure the health and wellbeing of the entire Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky communities. But also the communities where players will be traveling to and from during the season throughout the last three months of the pandemic conversations. Continue to this decision. Not Come easy. As there was high hopes in great planning put into the twenty twenty season this breaks my heart to win Cincinnati and Dayton play. I mean that's that's the best rivalry now but now that's not going to happen but at the same time admire since name for making this decision. It's not an easy one like I mentioned. That's money down the drain. You're not going to be able to recover from that but I think Cincinnati will be all right and I think we'll see the since he lions for twenty twenty one hopefully like I mentioned nothing yet from. Ussl league too. But since he's going ahead saying Dayton right now I believe both. The Dutch lives squads. The women and the men will be getting ready to go as I tweeted a while. Back the WPA ESL. They do plan on having the twenty twenty season however there will be no postseason so meaning for the Great Lakes teams or the Ohio Valley teams rather ten games. That's it which is better than nothing. So Meyer again. The decision that Cincinnati made. It definitely wasn't easy one and hopefully we'll get the Cincinnati Dutch lions and Twenty Twenty One. We'll stick with the Cincinnati touchlines. Actually bring a nugget of good news just so you don't think this is like the most depressing episode. Ever now I mentioned e gaming. Awhile back I forget what episode was talked about it promise. And this is what Ryan sparks is doing. He's on twitter at touched artists. And he's representing since nine dubs lines. He's a member of Super Omega Ultras. Which is the support group for since Dutch lines? An Avid Gamer mass of local soccer. Fan Ryan has been a CDL FC supporter for several years Ryan shows to compete in the competition of Ea Sports FIFA to twenty the Lower League E. Cup will be playing the same game. Ea Sports Twenty twenty an either playstation xbox or P C like. I mentioned Ryan's on version. You can watch Ryan competes. I think he's already on twitch Youtube instagram twitter and facebook. This is an old Press release so I probably should pick a new one but start off one and now and a plus five goal differential is touched artists. That's impressive a two victory over Swansea City Syndicate the Florida Tropics. Sc Support Group. And the next one was Monday April thirteenth. Like I mentioned probably should get a fresher press. Release to talk about this. The full schedule the next game actually is to or it's Monday April twenty-seventh. Why did I think tomorrow was the twenty seventh? Let's not no. That's not how numbers work and touch artist. Cardinal Collective S. G. OUT OF NORTH CAROLINA. That'd be seven thirty. And then it'll take on the southbound lions. Fc Of Indiana may four May Eleventh Oakland County F C remember. They're one of the newcomers in the League. The Great Lakes Division but the Dutch lions will compete in and that next day may twelfth touched artists will take Metro Luvell. Fc Kentucky Game You can find all this stuff CDL FC dot com and good luck to Ryan Bring Home The Cup for Cincinnati. The Cup rather say bring home the Bacon but that doesn't make any sense and a quick coaching vacancy at seven. That I normally don't talk about on here 'cause normally when you hear it Bam. It's just like that but something that surprised me. Spring borough is looking for a new head coach for Ice Hockey. This coach will be taken over for Nate Reynolds. Who was the head coach for the previous two years? He welcomed in a new baby in January. I believe messed a game for that. So Nice addition to the Reynolds family. If you're interested in becoming the next head coach of the springboks Panthers Ice Hockey team. You can send a letter of interest resume and references to Austin road. The athletic director at Spring Borough. And you can find out this stuff for yourself. Borough Panthers Dot Com. I believe is the website. At this time. There are no expected. Teaching Openings Deadline to apply. Is Monday April twenty seven. So if you're interested get moving because Monday is the deadline. I'll be I'll be quite honest. This one this one surprise me and I thought Nate Reynolds did a nice job is two years taken over for longtime head coach. Tony Morris who great job building the program up to what it is. I mean spring boroughs in the capital hockey conference. The big conference play in Columbus. And I think spring borough holds their own and yeah. It's it's a little surprising to me seeing. That coach Reynolds won't be there for twenty twenty twenty twenty one that means both teams at South Metro Sports Flex. We'll have a new head coach for the upcoming year. Leave it's Tim Evans for Centerville. I think that's his name. Hopefully it is. Unfortunately the website for is not up so but look through the history on that see that he had great success from Nineteen. Eighty eight onwards. So I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what the next ice hockey season has again. There's an opening if you're interested in spring borough so let's head off the sheet of ice and get to the baseball diamond mention. I haven't heard anything about the twenty twenty seasons for MLB. Or I know that MLB saying let's play it all in Arizona. It's like what about a spokes that work for the teams to be able to get to know well muscles aren't today. You remember that thing that a everyone's talking about where. Mlb Once M. I I'll be major league baseball. Minor League Baseball. They want Minor League Baseball to trim the field by forty teams and independent teams. Just because they're pretty good markets. At least they think that's why while it's agreed upon this is from Doug right good friend at Reds Minor Leagues Dot Com Minor League Baseball to agree to reducing the number of teams. Yeah while really liked the fight that MLB had against MLB pushed for this and seeing. This news really disappointed me how. How is cutting forty teams supposed to bring in fresh blood into America's pastime? Just take your team away from your community and you know you can still watch sport. And if it's not blacked out that is I. Yeah I'll start off with the first paragraph. It's been a big story for the last half year so with Major League Baseball's plan on attempting to eliminate forty teams from the minor league baseball chain under the guise of player safety inadequate facilities. That's true for some but before the world truly began to burn. This was one of the bigger stories of all. Baseball's two two states fought off out in public over the idea of eliminating teams from the minors. But when cove nineteen arrive stateside we began to see its spread. Things began shutting down and sports were among the first things to push the pause button on their businesses when that happened and also put a halt on talks between. Mlb and under negotiations for New Professional Baseball GREEMENT JJ Cooper Baseball American reported. Just before noon. Today I was out doing my laundry. That's when I found out on twitter that the Minor League Baseball Cy. We'll can see to the reduction down to one hundred and twenty teams meaning. Forty teams sliced away. I don't have that list on my hand I think Chattanooga was one. Maybe Daytona Clinton lumber kings. I know I think all but Cedar Rapids Iowa teams were destined to be hacked away. Maybe it was quad cities. I'm not sure now. M I L being are expected to discuss the parameters of a system where two sides can work together to ensure that most of the cities that currently have affiliated baseball will have ties. Mlb clubs even the little cities teams be fielding draftees and Siamese the club. Which if you remember back way back it's talking about the Dream League where you know you have college kids. That didn't get drafted. They play there and then next year. They're you know the miners. I think that's what I I hate it. I hate it and it's just like I mentioned. How are you going to get fresh blood by taking away communities? Teams now grant. I know they're not gonNA take the most successful minor league teams. That's stupid. That's that's not good business practice at all. So I think the Dayton dragons are safe because they're the ram by the Cincinnati Reds because you know Cincinnati it's not gonNa have any of 'EM OBT run a affiliate in downtown Dayton when they're less than an hour away from Cincinnati. That's just not going to happen. That's PAT business there. If did so right now. You're Cincinnati reds. Are Ram like this. You have your Arizona Fall League or your ACL. You got expend extreme spring training of course not to be confused with string springing or whatever you got single-a or low a Dayton dragons. You got advance stay or high a Daytona Tugs in Florida Aa the Chattanooga local which are historically they've been with the reds from eighty eight to. What was it two thousand six also remember but they have history with Cincinnati triple as the Louisville Bats and Cincinnati reds. Are The major league team. You might have guessed that. On a further paragraph again back Conrad's Meyer Elites Dot Com and this article on the initial list the rookie level Greenville Reds billings. Mustangs they tone a tour targets and Chattanooga lookouts where among the forty two teams to be sliced. Now they're looking to get rid of the rookie league. So meaning billings and the Pioneer League. Gone Appalachian League gone. There's no rookie league that be the Dream League so I think they've make the rookie league. The at the homes of the spring training sites so Cincinnati would be goodyear Arizona and for your teams. They'd be their spring training home. Like I mention the new plan quote unquote new quote unquote tractor beam. Would we have no rookie level league outside? The Leagues Operated Spring Training Complexes in Florida and Arizona. Make the Gulf Coast League and Arizona Rookie League each organization would still have a low way events day AA and AAA franchise now of course with the chopping the looking to kind of fix the fix tractor beam fixed. The foundation were all major league teams. Have four billion. That's it out side rookie level of course but so. I don't know if the dragons would be shuffled up the ladder. I mean you can't really go down the low A. But I don't know we'll leave. Restructuring of the leagues to make travel easier read shorter what Shlo- include some teams changing levels or affiliations that they're currently end to better fit the geographical location of leagues so Midwest League not too bad on travel in the East division winning in the West outside Illinois Iowa. About eight hours away Wisconsin. That's not pleasant trip. So I don't know like a mansion Dayton dragons will be safe. They're protected by the reds so Cincinnati Not going to have anyone come in. It's like ooh Dayton's beautiful taking. Yep since it's not going to that so if we get baseball this year we'll still have the current levels by twenty twenty one if we do get to baseball in two thousand twenty. One things are going to be a little bit different. They'll be in Arizona League reds team as the new rookie team. You'll have low A. Advanced eight double a triple A. And Dane dragons will be one of those four teams Chattanooga in Daytona. I don't know what's going to happen to the lookouts or Louisville again. I don't know what's going to happen to them. Who are the teams be? Can't tell you but it looks like that deal has finally pass and if you like your baseball you are probably like me angry at this again. I get the MLB wanting to make everything you know. Even Steven playing level I guess I. I don't know why them based doing this to be honest with you again. Cutting forty teams if you take teams away and people don't have a way to follow baseball. They're they're blacked out in certain media markets. How they're going to get into baseball. There's a college baseball team there. Sure but I don't know I think it's I think it's a bad move but we we'll see we'll see okay enough negativity. Let's talk about the great race after we hear a plug for not public. Hey listeners did you know that you can buy years supporting the local Sunday sports. Podcast visit the lead W Malan Dot com slash podcast that click on by podcast merchandise made by t public. You can get. It's hoodies mugs phone cases and even stickers check out the local. Cindy's here five t public. I do want to thank the folks that did buy some new logo gear from public a very big. Thank you every. Portion of every sale does go back to me. 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We'll talk a little bit bath before we wrap up this week but the folks at Ohio hockey digests I wrote a couple of pieces for them over the ice hockey season. They ran a contest. Since ice hockey could not play their state tournament. It stopped at the final four or so I say frozen four new Albany got to the frozen four for the first time ever in school history and I was really hoping that the eagles would get back to the state final four Columbus and even beat. Saint I and prevent five in a row but Abbas squash which by the way. I think everyone knows by now but spring sports have been called off by the O-. Hsa Very Smart Choice. Sad of course especially for the seniors the coaches the players and the families involved but I absolutely think it was the right decision so there you go so over the course of a couple of weeks now the fine folks at hockey underscore Ohio on twitter. Got People to send in Jersey pictures pictures of the team sweaters and folks not to vote on them on the Website Ohio Hockey Digest Dot Com yours truly did vote for every single round and I think most of my votes ads all my votes went to local teams until there weren't any in Sunday for the Columbus teams. That's obviously the jerseys. I liked the best. This is stemming off a college hockey tournament that they ran right before it were the university Dayton flyers fell just short to John Carroll and the Blue streaks John Carroll's Jersey's bad but they look very Akron. Zip Ish the dark navy. The Pale Gold. Just not with that number font. Thank goodness for that. Whereas the Dayton flyers one they have a Columbia blue one. You know old school you D and Flyers and cursive on the front and the old interlocking. Ud Logo on the shoulders. That was a sharp look and I was a little sad to see. You didn't win the whole kingdom poodle but there was some great jerseys there so the folks at Ohio Hockey Digest decided. Hey let's open it up to high school and coaches and broadcasters. 'cause I send in a suggestion. Got To send in their requests to Scott Harrington and all those guys and they preliminary round where you could vote them into the playoffs so to speak I sent in the Centerville Elks Jerseys send in three pictures to make sure the front and the back were covered and the picture us was Captain Riley Herron and the H. ON FRONT. That's the same logo the elks war when they won the state title back in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine looking back on it. I wish I sent in more because there was only a few Syndey area squads to get in the preliminaries. Bowlers Saint Xavier Spring Borough. Their Third Jersey got in. And they made some noise Norfolk Kentucky gun in which was cool. And I'm glad they allowed that because Kentucky. Yes it's in Kentucky. But they're part of the CINCINNATI FABRICS. So you know Letterman so. I'm glad that was the case. However they picked the away jerseys not the home once the home runs. I can see the wagers have read outlined no number filling on the black jerseys. Meaning when Norfolk. He's in the far side of the rink. I can see WHO's doing what. So it's a little tough for me to broadcast. But that logo really a Sweden those the white jerseys really great and I'm happy. They got him sycamore. Gone in the Green Jerseys. Which TO BE HONEST THOSE JERSEYS THERE. Okay but my favorite SICK JERSEYS. You have to go back a couple years my second more of the first year. I don't remember we did or not. But the goal was Jack Spellman and sick more green jerseys aviators diagonally in gold and Spelman had a glove. That was run blue. So it's right. State colors Dane Flyer Glove. It was great. But those are my favorite. I love those Sycamore. Jerseys the new ones are fine or the ones they have are fine. It's just every time I look on the shoulders. Sycamore s which Michigan State spartans. Half Stinson had for awhile accepts. Sense does still have that with a hat. I keep thinking it's number five like who who's number. Oh it's ass it makes me feel smart. Hooray let's see sick more than there. Troy was in there. I like those jerseys. I think they're classic and it's a good look and it's easy to read ask for mentioned spring. Bros thirds got in alter got in and again like Sycamore. I like their previous jerseys. Better they had gold jerseys and wait jerseys white numbers brown trim. It was easy to read the ones they have now the white jerseys and the golden numbers kind of mission. The charcoal greys don't have that problem. Those are easiest and I liked those but just the white ones and the yellow is a little tough but I like the old look at the alter nights by old. Look I mean a couple of years back because both those jerseys for alternate sick more about two years to season serve. Now Tondo was in it. They had their brand New Jersey's because remember Tyler Wanda gear ago decided to knock off any mention of native Americans so the braves became the brave. So there was a big T. on there and I thought that they looked like the blue jackets jerseys or like the the blue jackets or the Y-h a youth jerseys which are blocked numbers. But they've looked just like the blue jackets jerseys outside that I I like those some of the teams. I really wanted to see elder their Purple Jerseys. I think are great. They had like diamonds on the side. I don't think those old jerseys. But they have that throwback feel to them and I always liked. Those elder. Didn't wear them this year lease and I don't think they did I think. Jv teams have the old jerseys now and elder wears predominantly the black jerseys which are nice too. I like those trying to think. What else there was beaver. Creek like those jerseys. The the beach blanket design. I really liked but those crisp clean like those mentioned alter trying to think there's holy there's only twelve high school teams. How can I be struggling this season? I wish Mason was in there. They're killing green. Jerseys thank our outstanding. I like those a lot a molar garden. They had the gold thirds. I voted on the gold thirds. Something I have to really applaud molar. For All their hockey jerseys numbers are oversized on the back. Meaning they're easy to read from far near the great they're great jerseys saying jerseys were actually the traveling away once the gray ones and as asking whether the parents of the bombers. What's that shrimp looking logo on the shoulders? Well that's a bomber zipping. It's not shrimp. It's like Oh that's a good thing. I didn't say they look like shrimp on there but I liked that. I liked that logo. I don't think the bombers really used that logo much. It's just the ex that they have someone. Correct me if I'm wrong on that but yeah I think that's I think I'd covering all the high school teams around here. If I'm not send me something completely normal address but we do have some really sweet looking jers someone asked. I forget who it was a member of Sayas team. Why the Irish Day love it just goes you know people have to send it in and I talked about the teams didn't get in. I might have probably should've sent them in but for me. I didn't want to be like Oh. I'm sending all of our take that northern Ohio. I didn't I didn't over stuff the box on that if you will but I probably should have just because we do some Nice Jerseys and southwest Ohio. If there's ever another High School Jersey Tournament like this I hope to find jerseys pictures of jerseys and sentiment because southwest Ohio and like I mentioned there I did talk about some of the old ones that I've really liked but it's not really a bad look now the actual tournament itself like I mentioned the first round. People were invited to send in their own. In fact I have to go on the media side of hockey underscore Ohio. Oh by the way. Does anyone know if the wall of hockey jerseys still exists at nationwide arena in Columbus? Every single high. School has their Jersey up on the wall. I haven't been to nationwide in several years. I really really hope it is some of the ones that I was surprised. Didn't get in Olatunji orange. I love those outside. Centerville home whites. That's probably my favorite Jersey's just because they look so Edmonton oiler colors from back in the day. Like Bright Orange. Bright Blue I. I'm a big Fan of those. What can I say so like? I mentioned like an idiot. I didn't really fall along like I didn't capture the results. So I know semi's I know finals and that's really it. I do have to say there's a couple that surprise me locally by local remain into Columbus territory. Bishop Larson has a really Nice Pale. Gold Jersey looks like an old school. Waterson Eagle on front. If you think old school Pittsburgh Penguins Jersey like the old school logo that they had. It's Kinda like that except no triangles. It's W. Pale gold. White numbers black trim. It's easy to read. There's Maroon on the shoulders. I really liked those. There's some really good jerseys on their Thomas Worthington. They had their whole whites in. Which made me a little sack. As they're traveling blue jerseys that look like Montreal Canadian's I think outstanding. I love those jerseys and I think they're easy to read although spent a couple years since I've seen him so I might be remembering wrong on that. But Yeah I like those jerseys. There's a couple from schools outside that I really liked to the Knights who is the nights at holy name is no what's not holy name. Sending nations had a couple Nice one savannah nor few which I thought would have won the whole thing with their classic shield off Sylvania northview. I guess that's what we're calling it. Those are really nice. Avon Lake Scutts Nice Home Jersey Saint Charles. How about Saint Charles? They're Black Alternative Jerseys which we got to see when spring hosted the cardinals. Those are outstanding. I love those great jerseys. They have the shield of Saint Charles on front and yeah. I voted for those definitely hilliard. Which is not a high school. It is highest elastic hockey league which are for high-schoolers. That don't have a high school hockey team. They can play on. Those teams like the Dayton stealth for anyone not at Centerville beaver creek troy alter spring borough might if it gets brought out no but just looking through there there is some great jerseys and there was some tough votes on their. Like I mentioned Centerville. Didn't get in the first round the playoffs which broke my heart. There was a group of death. I think it was group. D were it. Not only Sycamore but northern Kentucky and Molar Ninety Teams in one group of six. I'm supposed to vote for that and I. I know I'm going to have people angry at me for this but I voted molars just because again numbers that are giant on the back a love those jerseys and the goal to Love Gold Jerseys would've voted northern Kentucky or Sycamore. They were in their own group. They weren't and in fact when I voted for Molar. Norfolk Kentucky was leading. The Way and Sycamore had four votes. That point which I thought was that was a shame because those green jerseys are sweet and I like that they have the eighth school logo on a which is a plane flying out the the and of course aves short for aviators. Not Avenues or avalanches. I do like the name though but you can go back and actually try to find that bracket. So here's how the first round went. We'll start off with the top bowling green got by Parma. And they face number one. A Shaker Heights spoil it. They beat Toledo Saint John's Oh yeah because NC in the preliminaries you know Osma Mistake so got a free passenger on Saint. John's Shaker Heights. Bishop Watterson God by Saint Ignatius Rocky River slipped by Gilmore Kademi prep team style got pass Patois Franciscan nor Kentucky fell to Hudson. Saint Edward by Walsh Jesuit. Which I like those jerseys to they were in south metro for three games against the local teams in spring. Borough Saint ex molar. That Walsh Jesuit didn't get to move on but Saint Edward. They have some Nice Jerseys for their hockey team and Thomas Worthington got by Archbishop Moeller second round. Looks something like this Bay beat. Bowling Green Shaker Heights Scott past spring boroughs. Third Jerseys Swing Bro. Got A first round bye. Esten Saint Charles who defeated Columbus Foam Bishop Watterson to take on Sylvania northview got by Rocky River. Still got by Gilmour Academy's Varsity team Hudson fell to tain-jy Berlin at all in Berlin. They sent in the Home White Jerseys which still showed off the two shades of blue. If you WANNA think color scheme fairburn skyhawks if airborne had a high school hockey team to be like that except Skyhawks and not bears but lighter shade of blue darker shade of blue. I like the bears look. I really liked their away. Jerseys but they had the Home Jerseys Toledo Saint Francis got by Saint Edward and Thomas Worthington fell to nor Danica. Third Round Shaker Heights. Got By bay which is a nine one upsets. I think the seeds by how many votes they got in the preliminary rounds. And yes remembering right. That is how it was saint. Charles fell to Northview Stouffville. Tolentino Berlin and nor donate got by two leaders. Saint Francis Semifinals Shaker Heights punched in the first championship bouts. Orientated you Berlin. Punched in the second and your final. Which if I can pull it up quick and sound like I know what I'm talking about Shaker Heights Scott by Berlin by four votes for votes seventeen. Thousand Visitors Somehow cast seventy three thousand votes which it's technology so people had fun. And it's you know a fun contest now Shaker Heights jerseys. I thought you know Nice Clean. Nothing too extraordinary or extravagance rather extravagant is a better word and it makes me sound smart red numbers letters white hockey lace at the at the neck and they kind of looked like they have the lines of the Winnipeg jets. You want. I'm talking about what they had the lines of the elbows which originally I wasn't too crazy about but just thin red lines on their their Clean Jersey. So that's a good luck but I was a little sad because I want realize Cincinnati Dayton team to win you know since that's why cover but as I see your blanket a Lotta love little sightsee Olatunji orange not vited. I don't remember voluntarily. Liberty got in all Hanje. I don't remember they got in. What's funny about the Tange? Schools Oland Tangent. They have the their jerseys kind of look like the Saint Louis Blues with the black the blue gold like a darker shade of blue but not quite navy the same old Tanja Orange era covered Edmonton oilers from the eighties. Great Look Allentown g liberty. Their logo looks like The Washington capitals with the hockey stick being L. I liked that look at Berlin like I mentioned really like color scheme. A lot of fun and live fun to see people love on High School Hockey Jersey all by the way. The final numbers Shaker Heights. Thirty six thousand four hundred twelve to volunteer Berlin's thirty six thousand four hundred and eight compare it to the semi finals. Where Olen Tandy won three thousand seven hundred twenty six to three thousand one hundred sixty nine for no door? Neha Danica and Shaker Heights defeated Sylvania. Northview two thousand four hundred twenty eight to two thousand two hundred eleven so yeah a little bit jump on votes but hey you know what can't blame Scott on. That is a lot of fun and hopefully we'll have another one next year if we have high school hockey or not because like imagine we'd who have a lot of Great High School Hockey Jerseys. I love seeing the new ones. I like seeing my favorites like I said. We don't really have a bad set in town so fun and definitely like mention. I highly recommend checking out their new podcast Ohio. Oh Hockey Digest on Air PODCAST. It's is ran by Tim. Sullivan Jason Lou and Dusky. They are coaches at Saint. I believe their first episode was with Scott Harrington who runs the site like a mentioned and Yeah I say. Give listen if you like hockey and you like Ohio and you like hockey in Ohio than there. You go can't really beat that. Kanye but I don't know maybe yours truly will be a guest on their don't know spoiler and I don't know if I should be saying that. But actually the last podcast. They released Friday by the way their last podcast with Toledo Saint Francis. Chris Varga definitely looking forward to hearing from local coaches around here. Because like I mentioned we got a lot of knowledgeable coaches mean from door Kentucky up to Troy I. I like working with everyone. There's not someone like oh I get to work with them again. Great now I I really like enjoy. I've really enjoyed talking with all the coaches and some of the players too. But yeah the great sweater. Rice has come to an end. And it's Shaker Heights lifting the imaginary trophy really clean jerseys to do like those but that we go a little tidbits still a little surprise at the head coach opening at spring borough to but hey life happens so I don't know I don't know the result or the anything that happened behind doors but I am going to miss coach Reynolds. Best Luck Nate and again. If you're interested contact Austin Rhodes the athletic director Spring Borough by Monday April twenty seventh with a letter of interest a resume and references. And you might be the head coach of the Spring Springboks Panthers Twenty Twenty twenty one past year spring. Borough went fourteen seventeen and two and seven nine in the capital hockey conference like mentioned non conference plan end. There's a lot of big muscle teams. You know Upper Arlington. They suffered one loss this year. New Albany gave him that loss in the playoffs. It's tough if you want if you want to get far in the sports capital hockey conference definitely gives you a challenge. So not saying South West doesn't but we're talking Dublin Jerome. Who's normally a beast in the playoffs? Olin Tandy liberties good Saint Charles. New Albany mentioned they got to the frozen four for the first time ever in team history. I Miss Sports. I don't know about you. I Miss Sports. I will talk briefly about the new. Nfl looks and hopefully. I can find them to talk about and not. Just go off. I the only ones I really didn't care for the Atlanta Falcons and the thing I mean fine but I don't know I like I like their look. The Patriots Won. I liked it. It's a little weird. Not Seeing that font because they ran with for twenty. But it's the color. Ross Jerseys and I actually liked those the stripe ending kind of at the top of the shoulders. That's a little. I don't know I'm big design person. I'm I'm a guy that likes logos and jerseys. The Los Angeles chargers actually shared. There's today and really my only complaint on those. Why NOT A GOLD JERSEY? But while those jerseys are really really great and hopefully I can. Hopefully I can share them with you if I don't get bombarded by ten million pop ups on this site this from Kron for Young of the Houston Chronicle raking the. Nfl's new uniforms for the twenty twenty season. Now I like the bengals. Look the only thing I'd change is the number font too crazy about it but I love the bengals helmet. Hopefully that stays into the end of Time Jersey number font. I've never been a big fan of that but there's a lot of people saying hands down. The chargers new uniforms are the best. The Cleveland browns debuted their new ones. And they're going back to their franchises. Passed on this look like those jerseys clean and like I said it's a very good look that runs. They had I get it but sometimes you don't shake the tree of throwbacks or tradition. Or whatever the Falcons ones I just I don't know the buccaneers once again. Like the Cleveland going back to an overlook when they went to the Super Bowl. I like those the gray ones. I don't know those ones of course I'm talking about. Oh there's thing to go by. I like the pants and the bolt up the side. I really liked the royal blue. The navy blue and the charger bolt. I've really liked those looks. I think Los Angeles in the chargers have done a nice job on that Cleveland. Browns ones I think I really liked the number font little different. It's not just plain old block font. It's a little bit different you know looking at the -puter jerseys of the buccaneers. I like those too. Those are good looking jerseys. There's a lot of going back to the past on these jerseys. The Patriots ones the color rush. I like those the colts the Indianapolis Colts to look at it a couple of times. Say there's change now. You might know this story to about the colts. Having a new ULTA LOGO. They have a new ward. Mark is on the top of the face masks connecting to the helmet but also the number is different too. It's no longer block. It's blocked with an attitude. I don't know what that thoughts called. But it's got it's got endings on the numbers if you will. But apparently the colts new logo which is a sea and inside the sees the shop of the State of Indiana. Apparently there's a high school in Indianapolis Less Cathedral High School that had a logo very very similar to that. In fact really the changes are the colors and there was a three leaf clover and there so that that's a fun story to talk about so colts. Really don't change up much. But Hey those those are classic jerseys as well Atlanta Jerseys. I like you know if it was playing. Read the plane Red Top. I liked but they went with a gradient. Look which is the first. Nfl team to do so. And if you remember last sports history. The hawks did that back in the nineteen. Eighties Nineties to the Throwback Jersey. I Love I'm sure you know it's not a bad luck. It just all of them have the. At L. on it. And it. Just I don't know new logo for the rams. It looks very chargers. This it's funny. How close the rams the chargers now look to more looks on the Cleveland browns again. It's from krone. It's Matt Young from the Houston. Chronicle ranking all the jerseys and the NFL draft coming up very very shortly. Think First Day is April twenty. Four now I will tell you that there are lots of followers a mind that have on which is cool to see all the pink. Kenyans not fused with opinions. But what I want for the Bengals. I want the right fit. If the bengals sink the JOE boroughs right fit. I'm on board. I think borough will be a great leader in the locker room. I think maybe his first year not to expect a Lsu type run. They had in college football earlier this school year. But I like borough and hopefully Cincinnati holds on that number one pick unless there is an offer they can't refuse. I mean literally you have to give like twenty picks or something like that but I just thought the bengals do. What's right and draft? What they need. I think there is a meeting of new voice new leadership and I think Joe Borough fits that to a T. to I think I think he'll be okay. I'm still a little worried about his injury that he suffered but Jalen hurts. I've seen some people saying they hope it falls to the Patriots. I think that'd be an interesting thing. And I think hearts will do quite well in New England. Tom Brady now Tampa Bay. Yeah I still a little bit shocking. I you know I'm not mad about at all. I mean it's not going to affect me but the same time it's going to be different. Tom Brady not new England now in Tampa Bay in the NFC so definitely I'll be following along on social media the twenty twenty NFL draft. It's going to be taking place not as it's normally prepared again. Thanks to the Nice Corona virus sweeping through the world. Apparently the original plans were to have in Las Vegas with the entire Strip on display. But yeah that's not happening and in fact I read something that the Las Vegas Raiders might not even be playing in Vegas to start off the season Salt Lake. Excuse me that was some noise on my laptop and I didn't tell it make noise first-round April twenty third. That's good because I thought it was twenty four at eight. Pm Watching online or on TV ABC ESPN or the NFL network. Rounds Two three r the twenty four if you can watch it online. Abc ESPN ESPN two and NFL network. Rounds four through seven the twenty-fifth ABC ESPN NFL network. And you can track a long. Nfl DOT COM. You know there is a local name that might be drafted and be the first draft for that school since the seventies that'd be Adam Trautmann of the Dayton flyers which there was an article that I shared on twitter talking about how that would be a nice fit for the Patriots. I know we have drew sample and really his first year. Nothing really write home about hopefully improve for this year. But I don't think tight. End is a need for Cincinnati this year. But it'd be nice. See trautman make the short trip from Dayton Cincinnati. You Bet you. That'd be a lot of fun to talk about but I don't see it happening. But that's the draft. They will start in a couple of days. The twenty third and I will probably re tweet the bengals picks and I'm really hoping the Bengals make smart decisions and improve on a team that you don't want to and fourteen best two and fourteen team ever just because of the fact if you look at that fourteen losses. I think the Bengals had Leeds ten of those and only really blown out by San Fran New Orleans us both those at home while it's been at the Dome not sure on that but I mean the Bengals I feel like are just a couple of cornerstones and the three agents that they sign. I I really think the bengals. They're not going to have another two and fourteen year. I'm not seeing it. So if you want that for the Bengals I don't see it so there. You Go. And that will finally conclude episode of One forty three of the Cincinnati Dayton sports podcasts. Thanks for checking out the local Cincinnati Dayton sports plaque. Yes it's always fun to talk with. You mentioned there are a couple of interviews. I have scheduled through the pipeline. Monday morning will be the first one. And it is with Dayton flyers voice Larry hand skin now. Of course that's subject to change because life happens after all that still six days away but looking forward to getting more interviews out like a mentioned one forty Tuba Chris. Collins I think was an excellent episode that you should go listen to that will do it until episode one forty four this Lee wwl and signing off. Thanks for your support again. If you want new local merchandise go to the wwl dot com slash podcast and click on the buy podcast merchandise link and every little piece of every cell. I get back. Thou for one forty-three until episode. Forty four folks back. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Cincinnati and Dayton sports podcast with Lee w Allen to subscribe to the podcast. Please visit the lead w Mao dot com slash podcast from there. You can choose your favorite platform such as apple podcast. 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Chili's 2 with Joey Janela

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1:41:41 hr | 3 months ago

Chili's 2 with Joey Janela

"This is a head gum podcast. In January of Nineteen, eighty nine in the middle of the fourteenth season of Saturday night live a new feature player joined the cast. A Toronto raised in Chicago trained sketch comedian named Mike Myers. Even among famously strong cast meyers character work made a mistake quick standout, especially, his Wayne Campbell Iraq obsessed slacker with the public access talk show filmed in his parent's basement. The recurring Wayne's world sketches starring Myers Dana Carvey is as Beta sidekick. garth would become as much snl staple as weekend update and in nineteen. Ninety two, the duo starred in the feature film. Version of Wayne's world directed by penelope spirits. Myers had successfully graduated from snl player to movie star, and after following it with Wayne's world to offbeat ROM com so I married an axe murderer in nineteen, eighty seven, he co wrote and starred in Austin powers. Man of mystery, playing both tischler frozen time British agent Horn and the film's antagonised Accu- ball. Super Villain named Dr Evil purportedly based on. Kingpin Lorne Michaels. With a laundry list of catchphrases that would be endlessly repeated by knowing kids at school and annoying adults at work. The film became a cult hit and had a second life as a big seller on the new home video format of DVD. In one, thousand, nine, thousand nine, the same summer is the much anticipated star wars episode one the Phantom, Menace Myers released, Austin powers episode to the spy who shagged me a mega hit that would become the third highest grossing film of the year outpacing toy story, two and the Matrix. The now franchise added more outrageous characters including pint-sized Dr. Evil Clone mini me played by the late Verne. Troyer and grotesque Scotsman Fat Bastard played. Played by Myers himself in clump style prosthetics, and as the gluttonous bastard, Myers would make theaters erupting laughs of recognition by seeing a beloved chain restaurant Jangle, expressing his craving for baby back ribs, the media, earworm and use, since the early nineties by the Dallas founded tex-mex eatery would lead to a surge rib sales when deployed by its marketing team, in addition to the fat bastard cover was also sung by boy, Band 'n sync. While the song much like Myers has been less prominent in recent years, it's status like Wayne's world and Austin powers is entrenched in American pop culture history. As for the restaurant itself today forty five years after its first location, open diners across America, still respond like fat bastard himself, saying to its offerings quote, get in my belly. This week on boys, we return once again to Chilis. Could. Welcome to go boys the podcast about chain restaurants I'm nick wider along with my co-host a man with a head so big. He needs to cameras for zoom. Call the Spoon Man Mike Mitchell. All right I mean. That's usually cameras. This is supposed to be like A. Yeah I know, we know this. We talk about it on the show. He saying the reason you're using cameras is not your shoddy Internet. It's that you have a head. That's too big. Be captured by maybe I. Just don't like it today because my head looks especially big. Yeah you do have a little bit of a jack-o-lanterns thing going on today in particular. What happened? Slot assault. I got hit by the fuck in honey. I blew up. The kids ray this weekend, my head up. You fucking Dick head. Tim Sullivan sent that in row. Spoon manage. If. You have an insult. You like me US on Mitch of the tablet show Tim. Sullivan sounds like he's from my neck of the woods. You mean Irish. Yeah. Have you better watch his fucking back. Wow, if anyone from the Quincy. Sends in a row so I don't like my quincy. Boys are GonNa Fuck and beat the shit out. Wow Quincy on, notice. That's right. Unless it's my quincy boys who send the roast and then you know, what can I do? Yeah, they send in a lot actually. Most of the email. Nick how from Spoon Nation? And you know what people are going mad that we don't play the drops live. There's a reason we don't. It's technical. Yes, it's because also the Internet is. A little bit shoddy, yes. And so. We're going to try to play. Live from here on out I'm just telling people that now I'm Gonna I'm GonNa. Try to I'm going to try to do it. Do you mean today or do you mean after today? No, not today. So for one last time, NICK Here's a drop from tone, Daddy, who writes hi, first time making a drop ever enjoy spoon nation with an exclamation point. I like it and look. This is too long, but. You know more we're going to do. I'm recording these separately so here it is. It's a minute long, and it's a nice beat enjoy. Wow, wow, what a what a drop that was, so you said here's a drop from and left room for their name and then writes leaving a name space for their email at no point. Did you say like? Let's hear that drop. Its Columbia I dropped it in somewhere. Okay Hey. Hey, nick! Yeah, let's hear that drop. Okay I guess. They dropped it in right here. Mass Freezer Grandma's freezer. Grandma's free. GRANDMA'S FREEZER GRANDMA's Fraser. That's a good grandma freeze-dried. Frozen hotel. Frozen hopes frozen first frozen to. But the. Freezer frozen ocean. Avenue? For, frozen coach. Alain Donovan the Pentagram freeze-dried. was, a, saint. Grandma's freezer frozen. Grandma's freezer. Grandma's. Wow and if you have a drop, you'd like to submit for the show Senate into that email address which you know is boom. Man Drops at gmail.com. That's right one more time than email addresses spoon and drops at gmail.com all right. Nick, ll you open your mouth. Scrape commitment to that bit. I told you I'm hoping food flies in there. We have a very exciting guest today. You can see him Wednesday nights on all elite wrestling dynamite on TNT. He is the bad boy joey. Vanilla Hi Joey Ed guys. Thanks for having me. It's been a long time coming. People want me to do this podcast for a long time, I. Don't know maybe because I'm Chubby. I. I have no idea. Man If. You're if you're the standard for. Chubby Chubby Mian and Mitch are in trouble. Wrestling Standard for Chubby. Oh, got it. Yeah, that's like a because. That is the thing having to have your shirt off all the time which I think I can say you do now. On the soon call is. Got To be a thing that the gets in your head, right core or you just you don't even care about it. No, it gets in your head especially when you go from a any wrestlers, people like all right. He's East Chubby we don't give a shit. Shitty falls off things, and it's kind of cool, but yeah, go on TV. They're like why the fuck would you hire this guy but? like like me at a bar with shirt on. I looked like a normal skinny guy. You know, right. In wrestling standards I duNno, I look like. I have no idea. I little beasts to them. You're so you're so beyond. Like a goal, weight, for Nick and or even to be used as as as built as you are, you're you're you're? And so to us the that ideas crazy, but only scenario in which I could look like you with my shirt off is if I find some sort of? Artifacts that grants me a wish. So I think you're doing all right. Yeah. You know what I do if I got that Arafat Nick. Nick, what's maybe I? Don't know if you WANNA. Take a guess. I thought you were GONNA. Say something that you're GonNa. Say something about me. No you know what I would do I've on the artifact, I. What I was GONNA wish for a bigger head, so it had the biggest ought. To be a walking lollipop some Ripley's believe it or not in the book. Shop in greatest showman director's cuts. Joey. I wanted to ask You A. You are in Florida right now. You're living in working there. What is the food scene like a around where you where you live? I'm still in Jersey, actually, in Jersey Yeah I live in Jersey. I'm here in Florida I just Kinda just go with the flow. You know. Oh, got it, but the food here over the last few weeks me being here. The food is actually pretty good here, of course they don't have like the the great pizza. We have in Jersey I'm York or some of a pork, roll, egg and cheese I. don't know if you guys know about that. That's a big. Big. Big Deal in New Jersey, but yeah, the food here is not too bad Ericsson Some TACO joint last night. I was pretty damn good Capital TACO. Bell TACO. There's. Florida has has changed a plenty right. There's just there's any chain. You could shake a stick at basically. There's a lot of chains actually. I went on the menu for. Capital Taco yesterday, looking at what I wanted to eat, and for some reason they just had a pitcher gender Mahal on there I have no idea why guess he really. Wow Yeah caught me off guard so. That's. Where we're trying to get. We're trying to get some sort of menu item. We're in the process right now. Of maybe getting an ice, an egg sandwich, but Possibly in the works we'll say we're afraid that it's GONNA BE! It's GONNA taste bad, and it will be appropriate for the for the menu item, but it would it would be a bummer. But that's the American dream. So you're from New Jersey. You mentioned the pizza there. What? What is this pork, roll, egg and cheese? This is a sandwich I'm unfamiliar with. You can look it up on Youtube. It's kind of like the gold standard in New Jersey. Record sandwiches. You know. Have a bacon, egg, and cheese, sandwich and a lot of. Work role is kind of A. It's also called. Taylor. Ham In some parts New Jersey okay. It's kind of a A. Fried I'd say a Fried Baloney. Kind of I to compare it to. Someone compared to Bologna the other day. Now it's been second my Ed but it's kind of like A. Grilled Fried Bologna Bega Cheese and it's just. It's delicious. This is usually thing you can pick up at like like a like a deli or like a place where you get coffee and stuff, right? They're pretty other pretty widely available I think. They anywhere. You can get Barack class. You get a cheese it's it's really it's like that's what New Jersey is known for his work Rogin. Cheese, which is weird. I've gone on kind of a deep dive with this wagon because I heard of it, an I You know there's something with in the name I. Don't know about I googled it for about three hours. It's kind of like a stick ham. I got it. Yeah, it's good. It's great. Is that your Go-to? If you're going to get like an unhealthy breakfast, is that your Go-to? Yeah, that's that's a good one. It's good quick one and. Little eat a pork. Roy Cheese real quick and you go on with your day. So. I was going to share the screen and show you one, but you disabled sharing okay. What are you afraid? I'M GONNA. Show something during the fucking record. Hold on, I, B I don't even know how to use the advanced sharing options. Oh my God. Why are you in charge of the? Get while you're in charge much. It should be Emma. She's got enough to do Yeah, I don't know it see. I don't see anything about it. Being Disabled I was doing Quincy Trivia I, was I can I can I get the zoom signing because like I only have the forty five minute limit, and you're like actually I signed up for the zoom under my own personal email, and my question to you is how many times have you used zoom to connect with family and friends? Great Question. Hasn't happened allowed. I did have a did have zoo. I do have a periodic zoom call with my parents and my brother and sister-in-law. And their kids. But that is like you know. That that's it. That's I. Think Zoom for me has become such a thing about it, so work lake related that it feels like it's an Emma's nodding along that it does not feel relaxing. If I'm having zoom, hang with somebody in the early days did but now I'm just like it doesn't feel. I don't feel like I'm connecting with someone I feel like I'm in the office. Tim Joe. I'm jealous of your of your Florida. Background seems fucking Nice over there. Nice, Very nice the weather's great. See employee freeze. Blue Sky, Mitch issue, and now we're seeing a screen full of pork. Mitch's successfully shared his pork, roll, egg and cheese Google nick actually. This is just this is just my computer. Background told them. That is a toothsome looking chunk of meat that big that big old Vic Ham! It's thick. It's very thick. There's a sandwich. Miami one of the most pork roll, egg and cheese sandwiches in all New Jersey about ten minutes away from me where they think there's about. Fourteen slices of roll on the the sandwich. Wow is a mammoth mammoth sandwich. That one looks good. Yeah, these are these. Are these look really great? We're going to get one wags. I'm curious to try it. I also like the name Taylor Ham. Taylor Ham like that's feels that feels like that you would. You would hear about Taylor Ham, and then find out. She's like on TIC TAC in on Tiktok, with one point, eight million followers, and now this is a name I have to know for some reason. Let's see if there's any any people who come up in a Taylor Ham. Search I believe it's the guy's name was. His last name was Taylor the Guy who brought it to the forefront of the breakfast I gotTa. Show you call it? Some people call it Taylor Ham, and then the other half the state calls it pork roll, and they argue with each other like idiots on which is. Here's here's a Taylor, PORCO, also like. There's a lot of. Like t shirt merchandising for for pork. You gotTa love new. Jersey's you'd was there. There's a t shirt that says pork, roll versus Taylor Ham I had no idea this was like A. Ironically a beef over pork I. think that's a t shirt. You can get up to North Airport I think I've seen that before it's. A gift shot over there so. It's in North Jersey versus south. Jersey thing so I have to assume that you are a south. Jersey is where you're from. I'm for Mike. Central I'm Mike from central between Philly and New York City got. I'm kind of like. The beginning of the shore, so I don't know some people call it pork roll. Some people call a Taylor Hand I. Call Pork Roll because that's what what I've come to know. Zero read on the Jersey equivalent of the Mason Dixon Line. That's it I'm right I'm right there other pork-barrel. Pokhrel Taylor Ham divide I I'm curious you mentioned pizza earlier. The New Jersey Pizza. Like what are you? What's the what is new? Jersey style, pizzas and adjacent to New York and what what kinds do you like to get out there? New Jersey style pizzas, basically a New York. City style pizza got so you're getting good. Quality sliced even that sliced spots in New York City are better than most of the pizza in the United States right. Jersey has. Really Good Pizza I think I top three states. The United States with the best service. New Jersey New York and Connecticut, so wow shots fired at. Illinois Chicago will not be happy about that. I'd like to. I like the deep dish. Don't get me wrong. I'm in Chicago I do I do go to the deep and. You know much down on that but I. Think as far as stopping into a pizza shop and getting a couple of slices. I think New York New Jersey Connecticut equality that Chicago. Deep dish is kind of a a task, right? It is the that's that's a that's A. It's a day runar for sure I, I, the I. Look, it's become, too. It's becoming really popular especially here in L. A. But. Nick and you you love it yourself. That Detroit Pan Sal is really great at the Triton. Trite style. L. A.. It's becoming a thing in l. a. where were Detroit Style Pan Pizza which calling La Style and I'll just write. It was of course we're stealing. Pizza Ella to to be honest. If? You go to the right spots. In somewhere like Jersey you can just. Any I'm sure in just any neighborhood or any block. You can get really happy to. More the there's more of sort of like the artisan you know. Chefs who are kind of in that Gastro pub category making pizzas out here. It's a little bit more of a little bit more pricey verse. There is like the the pizza culture that I think is such a big thing in the east coast, but you mentioned Connecticut what Mitch of You had much Connecticut Pizza. That's where all the pizza places are nick. That's why. I try to take you down there to do a little pizza tour, but. But you know you, don't. You don't WanNa don't WanNA. Do you don't want to do anything you don't WANNA do? You WanNA spend extra time with. Kidding me. I've done that. I've done that I've I went to Hartford into the pizza triangle. You know I stopped at a place you. is every time on driving in Burma Massachusetts back. The Jersey doing a show I would stop Meta. Hartford, Connecticut Pizza Place. Those are those are light, the critically acclaimed the. Bucket heavily reviewed got rated. Pizza places over there. What do you think of it? I think it's good. It's not like. They're famous for their white clam pizza. That's a big deal. Continue their like always ranked number one on on like a the like ranked pizza. West's or whatever is. Is that place in Connecticut? which I should know, the name of an can't think of it right now, but that that white clam pizza specifically have you had it. I mean no I haven't no fuck Connecticut. I've had. It's great actually and wow in Austin News. Here's a spot down the street. Air which this is weird. We stopped their way over show right down the street from that Pizza Triangle those critically acclaimed pizza places. There's a burger joint which is the oldest Burger joint and first burger joint in America. Yes yeah. Yeah I've heard of this place. Has. The cast iron things that they cook the Burgers and right the. On? Yet it just comes on white bread and they're pretty good. You know they're open to lie to am is that's why we stopped there? We didn't to stop at like. McDonald's since let's go here is pretty good. They come in those cast iron ovens for Mike the nine early nineteen hundreds so frank pepys frank map as this was called, but it's almost like a steamed inside like a like a steam Tam. All right fucking Simpson's reference man. Just saying it's the thing that was on the show, and it's how the actual authentic preparation was also. Do you think that like it's like thing like? Steamed Hams become is like the biggest thing amongst millennials. They're fucking eaten each other's asses and putting on steamed the steam. Steamed, Ham vapor wave. After an Lingus, maybe maybe maybe it's because Steve Hamm sounds like a fucking codeword. Maybe it is. Joe Joey I was I was GONNA. Say quickly. Just. A big upside to you I mean I know we and we know from doing this in probably one one hundredth of what you've done or even probably less but traveling the country. It seems like you've been able to eat out a lot of places that seems like a good upside. Even though I know that traveling is exhausting, especially with what you do, but is that. Is that a sort of thing of like when you're going from from state to state? Do pick out a spot that you think is kind of like Oh. This place is well known for this or that and you try to stop in there. Yeah, I'm a I'm a big Weirdo when it comes to that. I'm cooling going out by myself. Just finding a a well reviewed well talked about restaurant on the Internet after a show and go just sitting at the Bar, and having a few drinks and eating a good meal I fucking hate like all the guys. They just WANNA. Denny's every fucking time or while. I I WANNA eat something good I'm. I have the gift of traveling the world on someone. Else's dime might as well make the best out of it instead of bucking, go into Denny's every single time when we wgn California. That's the thing everyone wants to go to. Denny's and I fucking ate denny's. Denny's is not I mean I. I would say the only thing to to support that is that we when Nick and I are traveling will often give up, and it will be like a place that's openly. You're just for any place that you can actually sit down and get food, but I'm with you one hundred percent of trying to find like Oh. This place is known to be good here, and it's a local place, and you get drinks and something we try. We try to do better than Denny's, but sometimes you just end up at fucking, Denny's and it Kinda does suck I. Agree with you. Tell the guys I told the guys at what time I two doors down from the hotel. There's a well reviewed Mexican restaurant. That's hoping to am go there. Let's have Margaritas. Let's have fucking these great I. I went there afternoon when I had off. It was great I said. Let's go there and they're like what's go to Danny's. I. I've I understand the comfort of your traveling, and you want something predictable, but if there is just another option right there, I don't know we've really. We lucked out with some of the spots. We've hit up Mitch and door. We've had a little research and advances has helped. Guide us, but here's joey juice hop on yelp like how do you find these places when you're traveling somewhere? Sometimes beforehand by seat on food, network or something are I'll go online and read read about it and go there, but usually is just on the road, going on Google and then just kind of Just comparing everything else in seeing you know going on Google and seeing how many stars it has been going on the Alpin seem. Right yeah and you just find somewhere. Like, it's it's it's made. Made my road trips a lot longer than they should have been so but. I think. Do you have any obviously? Travel is a very different thing right now it but it did you have for the past you know the past year when you guys were traveling more. You're doing a either on the indy circuit or when you're doing. A W shows across the nation. Do you have any recent favorites from any particular city? Not really because at. An A W. Catering is great. You know so. You have catering all day. And an afterwards, you're getting more free food, so it's really not like an. There's usually an after party somewhere so now to go in that. Like I did on the Independent Guy I. Do the show and get some need by myself. It's really that's not the case anymore so. Having it in a while yet, it's catering is interesting, because obviously that's the thing me in me and Mitchell. RUN INTO ON. Working on TV shows and and and movie shoots and the the thing is like. A lot of times. It's just at least on the shows I've worked on. It's Shitty and that sucks because you WANNA get like it's free, so it's essentially part of your compensation, so you WanNa. Take it, but then it's like this sucks, and you get so exhausted by it that at some point, you're going out of pocket. Just to like eat something. That's not the SLOP that you're getting fed on that if you can even if even have the time to do that, but that's the. That's like that's read that aws good catering. Yeah, they're catering's in Grand Slam every week as something. Everyone looks forward to and then afterwards Tony Kahn. Where always go back to the hotel? He throws a party. This happens every week and eventually after an hour or two who order about. Hundred. Walker sandwiches for no reason and we'll probably. Eat thirty of them in the hotel. Staff will give him out to the rest of tell staff. Whoever's, but it's always an excessive amount of food with him. It's like. Like I, it's just excessive. There's be like eighteen people partying order three hundred talk some. We'll be all right whatever. That rules that's always. We've talked about this before wire, but if you go to a party and you bring like to McDonald's cheeseburgers, you're the king of a party it. It's awesome. Yeah, if you had to Tony, Kahn, party, or getting three hundred McDonald's cheeseburgers for thirty. Are you get into one of these Tony Kahn Parties Damn. So joy I want to ask as you're. As, you're traveling and as your door, or even if you're not traveling as a as a pro wrestler, what is your your eating regimen before a match or like like do you have to? Because I would always get like a like a nervous stomach, if I was going to do a show or something like that, so for a long time I couldn't eat anything, but obviously like what what I'm doing. What me and Mitch are doing or is not even like a physical activity. How you filling yourself up before you wrestle I kind of Ever since I started doing TV wrestling and I lost a bunch of weight and get in better shape. I've Kinda gotten a grasp of out to eat before show. Not a lot of carbs nothing with cheese or not just piece of meat, maybe some rice and vegetables. Sometimes. just approaching a couple of protein ball are. Back in the day when I was when indies I didn't give a shit. Going to wd I at in and out. In the afternoon before I wrestling didn't care, but now it's kind of like. You realize that. If you eat in and out before a match is GonNa look like Shit. You're going to be bloated on TV, so you don't want to do that right we do. We do the same thing before doboy live shows. We make sure that we're not bloated before we go on. I can't imagine doing a show and not feeling like Shit. That's like. Time. Joe Is is is there is there? Is there post shows? I mean just just you know you're working out your burn tons of calories and everything like that. Is that where you then turn it on? Can you eat anything you want? Are you in? You're starving to I. Just remember this from from what I actually did. Intense workouts which I haven't done in like a fifteen or so years close to twenty years. But just being able to fucking. Eat A shitload and just go at it after like after a big long day of working out or something, but is, is that kind? Do People Feast? Nuts. I think everyone just goes. Nuts said I even the even the body guys. If like I said Tony Kahn is going wild up from the show ordering. He's not only so he'll order. Uber eats, and then who order door dash grub hub. He'll order from three different restaurants. We'll just get bombarded with food and we'll all be. Trashed, so everyone's eat it. Like a Brian Cage you have your meals in. Your Cooler is around your old time, so. Brian or people who don't follow wrestling just a huge Jack Dude just super-duper shredded. It looks like everyone how everyone is supposed to look as a professional wrestler enough this. Vanilla. Wrestling hybridise that it's be. Brank edge has like the body that I. would if I when I was a kid? And I like draw just like drawing big muscles that was like the kind of guy withdraw. Deemed, being someday having that body calm nick. Be Honest you still draw. I've been working at it. Man I wish I could draw. Save myself some Google searches. You mentioned Jelly Joey I, know also that you are a white claw enthusiast. Yes, I actually have Joey Giannella. White cloth themed shirt in my in my possession in my view was well joy. From when we used to see in the PWG days. And I don't want to say to the world. When I just saw you. Drinking and I won't even say it. I put it out there i. put it out there. I said these are great I'm object clause do. I hate truly I. Hate Truly, is I? I hate them I think they're syrupy shit, but the they came out with the lemonade variety pack, and it's just incredible, and it tastes like lemonade. Wow, we were. We, we we we did. We did a double where reviewed a few of them, and we had a bunch of 'em leftover. And I didn't love him when we first had them and then I as I was drinking my during these Quincy Trivia nights that I do is. I also agree with you there. They're very very good especially after you've had a couple of them, they taste great. It tastes great. It tastes like Mike's hard lemonade, but without sugar, and and the only one hundred calories, so I go wrong with that. The white 'cause I I love him still, but I've I've dragged them so much. So much that it's just like. You know you WANNA. Switch it up once in a while. One hundred percent. Do, you have a a like a favorite white cloth flavor a Goto. I used to like Black Cherry that I got into the lime, but then I started drinking the new variety, pack the watermelon and the Lemon. They're all pretty good. I think the watermelons pretty damn good and I hate watermelon flavored shit so. You know they got me with that one so right? I think it's good I. I like White. Claw the reason I started drinking white clause 'CAUSE I. was. Drinking too much craft beer and Yeah, you know how that is. This. Like drinking a loaf of bread. Yeah, one hundred percent I put mean I. Put on so much weight when I used to drink more beer and it's it's crazy. What Ki-? What subtracting that can do because it's just so many rock calories, but so that's the white clause. The all the varietals of of you know these these carbonated sweetened. Like Lacroix variance, those of others have been kind of a godsend for you, it seems. Are Think Yeah Great. And that's. Like I was the first one that drink them and. I think I went on a date with a girl that she started a white claws ill. That's gross. I had one the. It's not too bad in it. I started drink. And, then and then I started posting about me. Drake, NAM and I started showing up in these shows, and I would pull up to the each show in. Fans outside early in the afternoon with coolers, white clawed string. Joe, you WanNa White, claw, and then I realized that I did something. Joy You I've stayed away from the from beer cutting I've cut out beer quite a bit which i. feel like is big thing, but then nick at the end of the night. I'm blended up a loaf of bread and I'm drinking like. Yeah. It was still white claws, and then and then and then. I got Tony Kahn into the white and he. He. He got really into it so now. He carries around the Duffel bag. Will white cost so even? Party we go to a restaurant and don't have white clause. You know there's Duffel bag. White closed underneath the table, and that's what everyone in so. That's official. The official unofficial drink of aws white call your rarely at the after party. You'll have to bring the beer yourself if you want drink beer. You're drinking club because I even I pitched truly laminated Tony. Kahn and he's like we can't do that. We have to drink Whitehall. Wow how. Tony. Kahn, we should mention anyone who doesn't who may not follow wrestling. Billy, the billionaire like it. Just let it like and when you talk about stuff like like ordering three hundred walkers or Carry around a Duffel bag full of white claw. That's like the kind of rich guy opulence that I can get behind 'cause you know when when it's like the guy who's like fucking. I don't know like someone who like I really just super intellect, marble, or like you know like eating like fucking hot like caviar and shit like that's always or collecting ten thousand dollars bottles of wine. That's always just like man that just seems so wasteful, but if it's just like I can just get a bunch of stuff for to to hand to people that Seems Fun with Warren. Buffett doesn't have a Duffel bag fucking white claw. Warren Buffet Actually is an ex Warren. Buffett is a guy who lives in Omaha and like drinks, Cherry Cokes. He's he is another kind of every man. You Know God. Damn super-rich. You. The one example that. Contradicts your premise all right? Give me some bad GIMme a bad billionaire man Elon, Musk. Fuck La, Mosca I don't even WanNa talk about. He's he's eating. Metal is any metal. SPACEX had that launched. Nick it the there was a launch. Just just recently. Yeah in rocket. I couldn't it felt dystopia and for me to even take in we? We've talked about this, but Tom. Cruise is going to. is going to work with Elon Musk for a movie where he's in space. And you and I are very scared, because we think that you must is GonNa fuck up and kill Tom Cruise. I'm scared on cruises behalf. I love cruise and yeah. I would I mean that's the kind of I think the death that he would deserve in the in the line of duty, if you will making a film doing a stunt so perilous that finally at fells him, but It's man I don't want it. I don't the data come? I love me neither. Joey Want to say congrats on double or nothing. Happened happened a few weeks ago now. At this point but. You are great in that that big ladder match there it was, it was it was. It was an awesome match. Something that did just consistent moves that that that scare the Shit Outta me and I. I can't even flip and you. You Make Fun of yourself for being a being a Chubby Guy, but you're just doing insane. Acrobatic stuff were known the way Mike Carlson when when we went to PWG, you were introduced to us as a guy who would who took extreme. Extreme bumps and I don't I. Don't I don't WanNa talk like like I know the business that well because I. don't I sound like a fool, but? Do you. Do you still to this day Ju Ju at you? Have this thing where you feel like you've gotta take it to that next level or now that you're you're you're with a double? A. W. Doesn't feel like a thing where you're like. I don't have to do as. craziest things is I used to do or how? How do you feel about that? Now. It's more when the time is right back in the day. It was just do it every show. I didn't know why did it. Just, did it? Now it's like. Pick your pick and choose your Your. Poison and you know I. Bring it out. I did a couple. Couple, crazy things in the ladder match, but if you follow me during my independent run, you know that was nothing compared to what I used to do. Some of the crazy shit gins building sir. No money or Falling off ladders, eighteen times in one match and house, getting up and walking around, and then wrestling the next three days, but now it's pick and choose your poison. You know I'm thirty now and I need a quarrel on my body I'm feeling it I'm feeling it I. Never felt it like I'm invisible. No now feel it sucks. Yeah! There's a great documentary on on Youtube about you, Joey. That's that was the first one I was introduced you and a it and I the exact name of it. I can can figure it out and we'll. We'll lease. Please died. Please don't die. Please don't die. That's right, yes. And it's it's it's it's wild. It's a great doc. It's it's it really shows you putting yourself out there for your for your art, and it's really cool. L. Yeah. Is As school as hell on? Please don't die. They chant that wrestling shows they chant that doboy shows. This chant, please do die. People who have it out for us while you buy a ticket? So you're like. Is there a stunt? That is there anything you mentioned? You mentioned you know falling off a ladder eighteen times like. Is there something that stands out in your head is like man. This is one I really regret, or this is one. That was like maybe I. Took it a notch too far. Well the the one the roof, one that right viral, of course, but if that never happened, who knows where I'd be right now, So so it's Kinda if I went back to the past that. If I had the choice again. Yeah, I would do it again because it's kind of made me who I am right for those who don't know is it was a spot where we're joey basically. You've you fell off a how how how how how big was that building? Joey? It was a it was what? It was what. Thirty five feet three be Christ, and the it's it's. It's really it's really something else, and it's in the end. It's featured in that that documentary. The please don't Die Doc. But that led to that led to that lead to good things for you as far as the indie world correct. That was sort of that. That's what that's. What a boom! My wrestling career for sure was that because it was so ridiculous and. especially at that time, when all the concussion knowledge was coming out and and whatnot, they're like. Why would someone do something like this? Right Joe Euro Guy. Who Promotes Kinda young in new wrestlers, which is really awesome. That's the that's the thing that Nick and I are the opposite. When we hear of a new funny person, we we saying you're they get a lifetime ban from every morning on the pod. Finding us. Unfortunately everyone always does. Yeah, no matter who is on air, but that's a. that's a really cool thing. Is that it was that just something that was always important to you? Is it something that you came up with and you kind of you know guys did the same thing for you or what's the deal? Is People really didn't. Help me coming up. You know like that. Just, give it just. An a big thing when me is, you know building the future of. Dependency in because now with the WWe in aws new Japan and Everything that goes on UK. run-up up to TV a lot faster than they would say twenty years ago when you heard, someone got signs on the independence. Fifteen years ago like a honker. A Daniel Bryan you're like. Wow, they got signed. Now it's like if you make it to a certain level. You know that person's GonNa. Get signed no matter what. So, so now it's I think for me. It's my job. As someone who? Who loves the independence is to. Push out new guy new faces to keep things going independent so the independent wrestling she does die. You know but So it's it's. It's pretty cool in that's. It's been happening just organically. You know so I really don't have to go out of my way to sign someone. I just had the one shot on one big show and I know in that moment. Don't make a name for himself. The nobody a new. A new name on. The wrestling scene. That's awesome. Yeah, that's right that is great, and also it is. It is seems very different from the comedy world where there is I feel so much bitterness and jealousy. With people I take you know this is true. I feel like that is the case with A. New a new person comes in. The wake of a person's funny. They're funny and you're like. Oh, great. This is great that this person's Newark, but there is a lot of people will get jealous and. And be like fuck this person you know what I mean. But there there is that is that is a cycle of like like. Wow, this new person's great, and then, and then that shifts into resentment of this person having a what appears to be rapid success. However long they'd worked at beforehand and then that's yeah. That's I think a common pattern I it's. It's interesting I mean I'm sure that happened. I'm sure that's universal that. To everything though I'm sure that that happens a lot. You know you see someone coming up quickly and everyone's all. Of some inherent jealousy comes out of some people, and he just depends on the wrestling. Like warren, Buffett seems the new billionaire. Buffets fucking stewing over thirty. Wrestling as well. Yeah, it happens. People get jealous of someone that's rising pretty fast, and that's why I feel like I helped a lot of guys out so Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that's that's that's that's. That's really cool you, that's A. Big thumbs up for that. That's cool wall. We're on this topic so. We've been the benefit of it, too. Is just from. We've been the beneficiary. I've seen some of the shows that you. What would you say that you produce the promote like Joey Geneva's escape from L. A. I was at. A. Lot of the young talent gets in the ring and shows her fucking great. Yeah, jungle boy was made in L. A. for one of my shows, and when I hit up jungle boy, originally for those that don't know jungle boy. They're listening lot bands jungle boy. Is the son of Luke, Perry from nine Oh. Two one. Oh, and he was wrestling since he was like thirteen years old right, but he was just a local California indie guy and we started getting We started seeing him Really improve at Houston cool stuff that we decided to throw him on. The Ellen Show and Before that he had no social media had big flat out. Tell him listen. You'RE GONNA blow up after this match need to sign up for twitter right now. Right? And he was like okay, and then he signed up for twitter and. The rest is history now. He's on TV every week so awesome. His recipe his his Dad Luke Perry. Would we saw him at a few pay? WG shows and things like that he would, he would come and watch jungle boy, which is really cool a cool dude. Out. Juggle boy R.I.P, paren- At jungle boy fucking is fucking roles I. Did think I do think I saw him for the first time. A one year shows the thing about like. He's very athletic, but he's hit just an amazing head of hair. I'm not saying that's his main asset or anything, but you just like that has got a fucking main. Joey Joe. You gotTA. You got a good head of hair to yourself. As it were the hair Boyce. We're snatching. All the women are hair. While they hear boys would beat the shit out of the boys. We're. Why are you challenging? Why don't challenge the hair boys? Doing not at all a heroin, we got challenge to a hair off. We don't. Grow it out. The most hair wagon I have her is probably on our face, and then the rest of our bodies pretty much looks like a Ken doll yes. Pretty smooth man, my body below the waist looks like a Ken doll to by the way. We'll be back with more dobos. Hey out there. You struggling to think of the perfect father's Day gift. Don't get your dad in TUI-. Or. Have you tried Cologne shopping for your life had no idea where to start your totally lost in the colonial. You know what they'll like. Well here's the thing. Hawthorne. Is a great product that makes a great gift. It smells great. It's personalized as premium quality ingredients convenient easy to buy online. You take a quiz. I took the quiz I got some great products. I'm sitting pretty and the packaging is elegant. And arrives ready to make your. Body not smell like your body. Mitch. You have some Hawthorne Products I particularly. 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It's like pringles I feel like now you know. pringles just started coming out with like a thousand flavors, and they'll have like a fucking you know. Like a pizza flavor whatever they'll have all these weird concoctions, and and some of them hit and some of them. Don't I feel like that's there's too many of those. Oh, I fully agree with you. I saw I saw pig come. Yeah that seems like a miscalculation. Son Who's GONNA WANNA eat that I got him. And you know we'll see, but you saw pig. Come on the label when you bottom. What they're pretty good. Honestly well, then there you go. You answered your own question to be honest. They probably have something only data. Japan, we had when we went. Japan and he had an APP on your phone to scan items that we couldn't read and it would translate it, and there was some some of them like a pig, calm and whatnot that we were like Fox. Jesus Do you have a when you were in Japan. Where do you have any like a favorite food spots you to hit up? Or any great meals? This all gets pretty good. If you walk out the seven eleven in Japan, it's like walkie. A walking in a gourmet restaurant. Wow, it's pretty cool. We gotTA DO JAPAN WIDER WE'RE GONNA do dope boys and Japan Yeah. I've never crossed an ocean, so it's always fascinating for me to try to talk to. Someone well travelled out of no idea what to do with myself. You never cross the ocean. I've lived my whole life in North America landlocked. Yeah I guess I'm Kinda landlocked. Let's discuss Let's discuss Chili's so joey wanted to have you on the show for a while were thrown. We can. We can have you here, but why, in this specific moment is chilies chain that you WanNa? Cover chilies favorite chain to be honest and. Route? And I think it all stems from. Going to the wrestling showed the kid like the ager. The show that it'd be like we're basing their permit in. New Jersey at that time and going to those shows, my dad, taking me the chilies. That's the first place I. And I think what I was a baby I'm good. Chili's a lot Austin so Yeah, just like Chili's. Chili's I like. are like the food I like Margaritas. Yeah, just Kinda came to light lately as Rumors spread. That means Cornet. Enjoyed our time, Chile's together at a little mandates so. Now for our for our listeners, who maybe don't know a how who is? Jim Cornet a gym. Cornet is an eighties and nineties wrestling personality. He was a manager mainly. He came to light in the eighties as a big manager in the NBA and. He just hates the rest later today he hits the wrestlers today. And as far as his list I gotta be in the top five of public enemy's that fucking guy. So I went someone asked me about Jim Cornet. On one of my instagram lives and I told everyone said now mid. It's a work where we're cool. We just give each other publicity. We're actually Chili's meet. and. We had a good time, and then someone asked him on twitter. Did you really meet up with Joey? Chilies and JEB cornered said rather get corona virus than meet up with Joey chilies. Jesus I'm pretty sure he wouldn't survive. Corona virus so I'm pretty sure. I wish he would walk into a Supermarket York City without a mask. Be Honest at this point, but. As fucked up as it sounds but anyways. So then chilies involved and Chile started messing with Cornet. Saying Yeah, you guys at Chili's. You know and it right teasing Cornet resetting him. CHECKER DMC. Jim We sent you a free a coupon for a Margarita to the point that he blocked everyone in went on a tear. All the dirt sheets picked it up on wrestling dirty. Pick it up as a top story. That Chile's confirmed showy. Jamila enter Cornet had a great time at Chili's and. Man I got I got. That's probably the coolest. Like a chain restaurant, social social media move, I've ever seen I like that more than than Wendy's being kind of like a hip funny twitter account that's not cheeky or Denny's mentioned earlier. Denny's has always recycling memes like that was just kind of like all right. It's kind of an eye rolling, but yet. Chili's is Tilles seems like that they're they're managing. Their brand will pretty well on social. There's someone cool who did that. That's great. Yeah, this went on for like five days to so it's not like they just put out one tweet every time he wrote us. And we would team up against Jim till the point that me block Chile's blocked everywhere. It blocked me for a third time. It's just funny like this like this sixty year, old man or fifty year old man, blocking chilies is just a very funny thing. Jake. That's such a like that feels like you've just snapped at that point. If you're blocking Chili's on social media, something has gone very wrong. He's actually blocked me three times. He's blocked me to unblock me to talk shit about me. The block me again. And then he unblocked me for about maybe a year only to block me again when men chilly started double teaming. If, my if my mom was like I like she called me up and I was like I blocked Chile's. They're. They're lying to me I. I would I would be pretty nervous. Looking to assisted living facilities, mom. The Joey so so you actually have normally eaten advanced, but you have your meal in arrived as we started recording, and you're going to be eating some of this live I guess so you're saying it's kind of an Asmar version of of the pod. We're GONNA. Get a little bit of that. Yeah! I didn't know I didn't know the rules I. Didn't know if I ate it during or or before the podcast you guys at your food yesterday but I had some gentle eighty five year. Old Woman Papa. The passenger seat the amnesty from door dash just went on air so allow. Well, let's get into what we ordered a so I I will say that I ordered online and I went to pick mine up and the from the Manhattan. Beach Location here in the La area. I will say they're text. Messaging System for picking up is very slick because they they send you a taxed, and then you text here when you're in the curbside area I, just literally taxed them, and then they'll bring your food out as very convenient and the the worker there was was very kind and conscious of of you know what? A p. e. and social distancing I got a patrol. Margarita which comes. This is the this is patrolled silver Tequila La. Big, road soda their. Roger. Well this is the thing so they. They make a point of it being shaken twenty five times. And then they put it in Sira Foam, Cup but you have to put it in your trunk Oh. Wow, 'cause. Know can't yeah. There's the open carry laws, so let me guess some things in your trunk that they couldn't see. It is a thing where you have to like. You really have to kind of wedge it in there like it's like a trunk is not a great place for a beverage. Yeah, so that was a little bit of a it. It it it. It worked out fine because they had the dope. That's that should be. The Boys Epitaph. Trunk is not a great place for beverage. I'm so. It's a little bit inconvenient. Also got a site house salad with their Avocado ranch dressing, which is their unique dressing original Chili, which they describe as yeah. Chile is our thing. He's always forget. The chiles has chilly, but it's not their thing. That's not true. It's not their thing well I mean that's they're claiming that. It is I think. They began as a chilly restaurant when their original Texas locations began. That was there were they were selling? And I also got the boss Burger which is described as the Burger. All other burgers report to. It's got brisket rib meat Jalapeno. Gender Smoked Sausage Bacon and Cheddar on that. And then a cheeky, cheeky, blue sandwich, crispy, chicken, lettuce, tomato, red, onion, avocado, bacon, and blue cheese crumbles on a Brioche Bun out of Boston, these bad bad boys. It's like the Asshole boss that that that people don't WanNa like he's. Everyone has to report to this guy. Yes, this burgers a fucking Dick so taskmaster. And I got an order of Texas Cheese fries, which is a which is fries with cheese Bacon Jalapenos and green onions. And it comes a little bit of Ranch Mitch. How you let's run through your roster of of what you ordered all right. Might. Take a couple of minutes. I also did the curbside pickup. I I ordered online, and then a I got the text message. Drove to Encino. Drove up there two, NCA, no and my order, and they say the staff was great. They did a really really really great job. They you're saying Nick socially distanced. They came out to my car. Even, before, because I texted that I was here. Just say you're here in your your your vehicle. Make basically and they right just come out and know your car. And, even before that guy came, and he said what's the name on the order and I said Mike Mitchell, and he went off, and I got it probably within five minutes or so I. Don't think it was i. don't think it was done when I got there, but I got it pretty quickly. I ordered some southwestern egg rolls neck the the classic from there. which came with Avocado ranch dressing I got extra on. That mine wasn't to green was your Avocado ranch dressing green? Not Particularly Green, in fact I wonder if I got the right dressing even I wondered as well. Maybe there's some sort of avocado, shortage or something right now or i. don't know what the deal is, but it wasn't as green as I thought it would be I got chips and salsa. Nick a bag of chips and salsa. I did the boneless wings with buffalo sauce. Blue Cheese extra blue cheese and extra ranch. southwestern smoke smoke house burger was my my entree. And no pink. That's what it said on the order. No Pink, which wouldn't fly in the nineties. But. It worked pretty well. What? What do you mean in in the nineties you? You Want Pink. The singer pink was great. That's what you're referring to okay. Pinkas? Things, I didn't realize to specifically subscribe describing the singer pink of saying as a statement. No Pink wouldn't of flown in the nineties got it. Yes, people were people were hungry for pink back. Then I think it was more. Thousands wasn't more the two thousands, God, Damnit Joey you know what you're right. All right great. Joe is a better wrestler and comedian than me. I guess. The wrestling wasn't really a question. I, rest. I wrestled my freshman year of high school and then. And then I I did it for one day. My junior year of high school and I and I was done. They pair me up, you. Not You, Joey how you do those those exercise where he put like a guy on your back. And you like and then like we, you'd run upstairs. The guy in your back wrestling so intense it's. Like A. High School in in in in college just I. Mean The sport as a whole is just so intense. And the guy who was the guy who is the closest and wait to me? was this guy named tugboat? and. He weighed like D. weighed like three hundred pounds when we were, and he was a big big dude, and so I couldn't carry you know what I mean. I couldn't get that guy. My back I was a little. I was weak he was. But? He was way heavier than you is. What? I'm big, but I'm week. That's the thing with me. And then I got some boneless. Some boneless blowing buffalo sauce extra already said that Smoke House Burger and then nick. I got a dessert I got the molten chocolate cake for dessert. And also I got to see Coca Cola's because it was Sunday. My Cheat Day and I drink sodas on much day Anyways, that was my full order. The molten chocolate cake, the ice cream payment a separate container. Yes, and it melted a little bit, but it actually kind of worked out pretty well, but I'll get to that when we're when we're when we're breaking down the food a little bit more. Yes, as you mentioned, desserts did I also got a Paradise Pie, which is a chocolate chip, walnut and coconut bar at comes with also a little a little mode. Mode on the side, a little vanilla ice cream on the side that I put in the freezer immediately, and it stayed pretty pretty well does time and stayed pretty well. Put together until it was time the meal eat. It also had some hot fudge and caramel drizzle over is actually kind of had to assemble it. There was a lot of work to do to put that together, but I worked I was like caramel sauce with the with the. Cake to that you had a poor on. But I think actually more like a chocolate sauce, but still. It was like as many steps assembling like a fucking Nike a bookshelf like I had to do so many things to make this desert ready Joanna at a doboy live show. Would you ever come out and super-quick wagon I in the face absolutely. Hell Yeah. Absolutely I didn't agree to this. It's on. Thank you, Joey. It's happening Oh. Yeah, Oh, yeah. Nick. How don't worry about it? It will happen. It will be a surprise to you. So Joe you're nibbling on some things. As we were talking through our our roster venue Adams what? What did you order today, so? I ordered the appetizer. The triple differ usually get. It's probably the best appetizer sampler at of all the at of all the chain restaurants. Wow, it's really. Because, they have such a great selection of stuff. You can get on there, but I went with the the chicken. Wings regular. Probably the first chicken naive. My life was from Chile's, so it Kinda brings me back. I got to south Western aid rolls. Watch weird. Thing is when you order. South West eight-year-olds roads that go there not slice like they are in the restaurant. They look like actual April not sliced. And I got the chicken. Christopher's but I got them in the original batter. Not The new better new better sucks. I Hate I'm not a big fan of chicken brisard. smut with the original better. It's kind of like unal cake batter. I really like them. I like honey mustard. Ring out this and I got the. The chips Chili's the biggest bottomless. Yes at if you go in and eat, you can get as much as you want. Be Fat, Fuck. So. I got those as well. Yeah they give you. They give you a good portion of those chips and they. They put them in a bag. And basically it says toss in the microwave for forty five seconds. It says it right on the side of the bag. I put I put some of mine in the air. Fryer. Nick and I'm also Mike. I microwave some of them it works. Better than you think it, would they. They really really feels like you're at a restaurant and you got. A bag of these kind of hot fresh chips ranks well. Is that they work in the Air Fryer. They work in the Air Fryer yeah. Oh Wow I'm going to try. I kept my eye on them and I. Just like and I did like you know like a minute and was kind of looking at them, and yet they. It worked really well so joe. You have an Air Fryer right now where I'm at, we do have an Air Fryer, your? To whip up in that bad boy. I never went up anything in it'd be honest. But I'm going to have to buck with it. Chips chips chips are work really well in it. Anything like that that like it doesn't matter for tries it out too much. I think that's the thing that I've come. Like. I've learned from the Air Friars. Basically it can dry some stuff out I. I ate some pizza yesterday neck for for on Sunday, for for for another show and. I put a slice, and they're kind of dry it out a little bit a little bit dash, but it does a really great job. With a lot of things, trade it out. It's kind of like Adobo with a sexual partner. I don't think it to be a sexual partner. I think just to. Just be in someone's presence. So I'll say that. The patrol Margarita was good travel. It home was a bit of a pain in the ass because of the trunk reason, but that's Chile's fault, but the had a lot of ice in there and it it. It tasted pretty good I mean it tasted like Chili's Margarita and I feel like a of the restaurants. Chili's has has pretty cocktails. Nick didn't make it from your car to the House or was already gone by the time. They actually have. It has like a piece of tape over it like a piece of caution tape that lets you know that it sealed that you have to remove. I guess in case you get pulled over Jay. We should get Chili's to fucking do that to everyone of your drinks. Sky Spills a lot. Joey I am a spill. Her I did not spill this quality. Drink the site. How solid I felt like there was no reason for me to get this I mean I I think it was. I the Avocado ranch dressing is the issue like I thought that this was going to give me give it a little bit of something over just like a generic dinner salad, but it didn't, and the produce wasn't anything. Particularly Special I do like the presence of cucumbers, but overall didn't blow me away. The. Ranch is such is such. Is Such a dip dip? Like to me just because it comes with southwest, egg rolls it just such a dipper, so it's interesting to put it on, and I know. Ranch goes on addressing on a salad. Whatever is a good dressing for the avocado. Oh, just almost feels like more like a dip to me so I'm. An interesting choice wags well I'll say that it just that I didn't get much avocado from at anyway like it's just like it to me, it was it might as well have just been ranch. In fact, they might have just given me ranch, but that's what I selected on the APP. The the Chili I will say. Very good and honestly maybe maybe the highlight of this meal it like Chili's Chili's good, and I haven't had it in a while I. Don't think maybe the last time we reviewed it or maybe the first time we reviewed it, which was our very first episode. I had the Chili from chilis and remember it, and and and it. It kind of jogged my members like Oh. Yeah, this is fucking great. There's a reason this is their name. Wow, yeah, in this was our first episode Tam. This is our first episode. And then we went to Chili's to which is the airport version for two hundred fiftieth episode. Now here we are Joey. This is going to Chili's just reminds us that we shouldn't have started this show, yeah. Five years of our lives wasted. I didn't know that. was you guys I episodes children's. We've and then we flew. We flew to Vegas for Chile's too, and we didn't leave the airport. We just sat in the airport in Vegas maybe first. People ever do that in Vegas. Just visited the Vegas airport, but okay, so flew back. Yeah, but the. The I will say of the of these the drink and starter. The Chili was the standout. In fact, even time the boss Burger I think just looks like own Gotcha at too much going on. They just like so many. The so many of the meats just turned into Lake A. It because it the way it's presented, it sounds like it's ground up with the beef, but it's not. It's just kind of layered on there, so it's just this mushy. The texture is all is all you know God. We gooey so soft and Chewy. Bad Way. It's not what you want in a burger, and it's just got to too much going on the chair. The tricky Blue Sandwich was pretty good, but I think. The blue cheese was like. It it just was. It just wasn't enough of a presence. I feel like I wanted more of it. You sound like such a child you just. So soft and Chewy Cheeky Sandwich. You sound like a fucking fool. It's called cheeky, Cheeky Blue Sandwich when the name of the menu item I know I'm just telling you. All the other stuff you combine with, you sounded like a fool. What do you want me to say? I don't know. Maybe don't insult me. I'm doing my best. You're mad at me. No, it's fine. I flew over time. I think that's why people listen. They just want to hear a sound like idiots. Is Pretty Cool. That's what I say. Nick I I'M GONNA. Say this. Joey pointed this out, yes! The southwestern egg rolls like Joey came come as a big full egg roll. In, the travel is also a part of this travel travel traveling with this food for like twenty minutes closest. Chili's is about twenty to twenty five minutes basically until I got the food back to my place. Yes, what when it comes as a full egg roll I think there might be something where it's just not crispy and heated up as much as it would be with if when it's cut in half the restaurant I don't know if they cook it a little bit more after it's cut in two on what the deal is, but it just felt a little bit more and I ate. I ate one. I ate all of them just as as kind of a big. Agrawal. And I put one of my air fryer a little later like the next day or whatever that actually helps a little bit because it it crisp that up a little bit more. But one is a big role. It's just kind of there's a lot. needs to be cut in to those are those. It's a good it turns out. It's a good restaurant. It's a good to have in restaurant right. Yeah I can see that with a lot of deep fried things. Just don't travel all that well. That's one reason I got the cheese fries over. Just the regular fries 'cause those fries would probably get soggy, but having all those toppings on there I actually helped quite a bit, and I liked that comes with the ranch by default, because that helps it from from being dry as well. you know again it. It's it's a I could maybe use get rid of one element among the cheese Bacon Jalapenos and green onions I could maybe lose one of those they are, but they're good cheese fries. So Joe you've been I've been watching you eat. eat wings shirtlessly like a king. I'm curious. How is your? How is your house? Your food holding up? How's your meal? It's pretty good. You know of course when like I said. When you order it to go, it's it's kind of soggy. It's not like the inhouse chilly meal that you would have. Not Too bad, if I was, if I was absolutely hammered right now our stone off my ass I would be an absolute, saying this the greatest food I ever in my life. Right now. Being. It's still pretty good to be honest. Even as a little soggy mcchicken crisper. Juicy the original battery ones I don't know what it is. You can eat those cold. We'll be great. Diplomat honey mustard so. You specified the original batter or like. Is that a thing? You just tell the employees and they know what you're talking about. At first when they changed the better. It was kind of like a secret menu item but I. Guess It's the original batter the person so popular that. They had it. Added to the menu as well. God bless America where? Like appeal, the batter can change in so many people by the batter's different in the back. It's a great. It's a great thing, Nick. Yeah, that's the. That's the outrage. That will be address. The I'm curious that the. But like why do they even have the new batter? If people want the original batter, it's like coca-cola still selling new coq. It's people have rejected your innovation. Just make the original the default. You don't make an option. The new batteries on it just tastes like. Chicken figures you can get on. A boardwalk somewhere like for for overprice you know value. Yeah, but the original batter tastes like. Probably the best chicken chicken finger fan, let's chilies sticking fingers, and I our love, the chicken fingers, yet it's a bold move getting both wings and chicken fingers I. Love It, but they kind of do different things. Nick I. I agree with Joey. There's the the food when when when you travel it kind of become stratified. It's swampy. It's got a swamp thing going on with it. And that was Kinda issue I had with a few of my things southwest Western eggrolls for sure more so the boneless Buffalo Wings which I love Y'all love him, but they they were. They were soggy out Shrek Af- I'd. The battery the battery was basically fallen off of them. In the in the the the actual meat was kind of tough, and they were. That was one. That was one of the worst and I and I love those I mean. That's that's what kind of made me fall in love with chilies, those boneless wings when I was in college we go and get chips and salsa, the bottomless chips and salsa, some strawberry, frozen strawberry Margaritas, and then you go out that night and be too afraid to talk to any woman that was kind of. The deal. And and the the wings were just a real real downside. Th the chips and salsa were great, and when I came up a worked great, that was really great. They give you they give you some extra salsa would. You! If you want you, just order a little bit extra, and they give you a good amount of it. Because they really I would say I suggest to doing it because they just give you a ton of chips Ram. My my southern Smoke House Burger Of come feel like it's coming from a bog. You know what I mean it felt. In on that southern smokehouse Burger you got Bacon. Cheddar. Pickles awesome blossom petals, lettuce tomato garlic. Served with the side of original barbecue sauce I didn't get the original barbecue sauce. which you know, what can you do? And the awesome blossom pedals were that was Kinda issue with it they were. STRELKA FIDE swamped out. And so the Burger itself it was still decent, but it was nice what it would be in store and look. We know what's gone on pandemic. It's crazy right now. and honestly the service was really really good. Yes, but for me. The the bite of the night spoons by the night nick was that molten chocolate cake, man. It Wow, fucking ruled. It was so good I put it in the microwave and I a. he leopard like For, like thirty forty seconds put the ice cream in the freezer took that out. It was fantastic an honestly, if anyone. During during the pandemic wants to just pick up a surprise, dessert or something, you can't go wrong with this budget. Molten chocolate cake, yes. Country your experience. My Paradise Pie was not a particularly exciting desserts, and I did I did warm it up a little bit in the microwave I mentioned all the different steps of assembly that required I. Think I made it. You know pretty well pretty good presentation, considering my my resources at home and my skill in the kitchen. About the. It just like it. It just didn't that bar just didn't have a lot of flavor, and that was like the core of it, but it just felt like I was eating something. It was just this kind of inert like just sort of generally sweet with a little bit of coconut. You know thing with the texture of a FIG Newton. It just wasn't particularly exciting. And I think if I if I gone that? Lava. Cake I would have had a better experience. Joey any other any other notable things from your observations from the the meal eaten in front of you. The beyond is not too bad because I. before I started eating, I was sitting here. Talking to you guys about what a good forty five minutes to an hour. Yeah, and it was. I was just sitting there in the buccaneers and the artist is not too bad. The chips are still Christie. Didn't have to eat them up. No. There is good Wow, wow, but the south western egg rolls. You know they're my favorite chilies item I dig and a little soggy, a little bit of a letdown, but you can't beat the southwestern eight roles. In Chile. In the sliced in half way, they're supposed to be Christie and whatnot. Yup. Joey Florida working as kind of like a natural diner. Heat lamp for your food. You're right to be honest, right? That rules. You mentioned Shrek of occasion, but being in the swamp seems to help this. Wow. Shrove Shrek showed me there Nick I'm. Surprised you didn't. Have a similar desert as to what Alana Mosca prefers. The Michalek Joey said the micro metal on. Metal because I'm just how it on because I'm a robot. That's right some sort of android. Entering tungsten for nutrition, you eat tungsten. I have a little tungsten. Tungsten is tungsten has shanks to tungsten has Jenkins cousin. That is. Professor. FUCKING PROFESSORS Well? It's come to the time our show where we should give our final thoughts on this week this week's. Chiles, who hopefully we ought to give a review of this week. Show we have. We ever had a review shows. Oh, Jesus Christ zero's for for five years all around the of utensils with no prongs her. So. Joey, we will go around. Give are closing thoughts on chilies, and then give it a rating from zero to five forks you our guest. We'll begin with you okay zero to five forks. If it was in the Tokyo Dome, I would give it five forks. I'm in Landau Lakes Florida. I give it three or Wow three forks right down the middle I can't bash in is chilies Staubach to bash for me but right. I also the food. Sit out there for a good hour, so I add to give a fair review because it could be on on me. Go Joey. I I like Chili's a lot like I said I went there in college. It's a in and I like the idea of if as far as like those kind of like. In the TGI Fridays world in I I actually enjoy Chili's I I like it a bit quite a bit. When I was telling people I was going to. Everyone was like man I want some chilies right now is telling my coins Trivia. My Quincy Trivia friends. On our Tom Cruise Sunday because we watch Tom, cruise movies on Sunday. Nick, Wow, you're. We were watching risky business. I believe the day that I got a Chili's. Early, not necessarily an action movie. You're just watching a Tom cruise movie changing to watch risky business, we watched. We watched oblivion the other day, which by the way for the last ten years it's like I. Think it's like one of the top ten underrated movies in the last year's People's amount oblivion. means good risky business I think was Tom Cruise breakout role, and that movie is fucking Horny as Shit? It's way. Worn it is nick. You know you know that we were. We're trying to put an end to Horny nece us. It's. The the movie is is is way too horny and also it's kind of like the origin stories of a Yuppie like a Shitty shitty right shitty eighties. Yuppie man like like his character sucks yeah. Anyway. My. Friends are all excited that I was getting chilies that rules and I was like yeah. I'm excited to. and. I got it and look. The travel was an issue when it wasn't great. But I still think that Chile's is pretty good in I'm with I'm with Joey. For this for this visit. I'm GonNa go just a little bit hiring and to go three and a quarter forks. Because I. DO I do I. DO ENJOY IT and holds a place in my heart to joey and and and. But. The quality. This time around was just not good. You know when the country's open backup naked it would be. It would be fun to go and sit in the Chili's again. I'm looking forward to it because I think a lot of things would benefit from that I will say the highlights for me. That molten lava cake is great. Pick it up. If you got a chance, honestly go pick up some chips and salsa yourself an APP and pick up the molten lava cake and you're good to go. It's you got. You got an APP and you gotTA. Desert for for fun family night so. But but but overall not the greatest outing by Chile's. They're doing their best. Their their staff was great. Yes, but but the food just kinda suffered a little bit so. Yes I will say and I think my you know my thoughts parallel your guises, because we all had a similar experience of the food sitting for some amount of time whether it was. You know a inured in your possession or being transported. I. Think it it. Doesn't travel great. Doesn't you know it? It suffers a little bit from that, and it's much better in the restaurant. And also that's a big part of the Chili's experiences, just like sitting in there, and being there and hanging out and having the Margarita and the big Dumb Cup like that's that to me is a lot of the fun of it, so you're. Evaluating the product that you're getting. And what I would say, it's a it's A. It's like my buddy. Nick, NICK! It's not well traveled. Thanks true. The the I will say that to you know to talk and wrestling terms I. think my issue with my meal is the main event did not deliver the boss Burger and the cheeky blue sandwich were just not all that great. They were not particularly exciting entrees, but all the APPs overall were good everything else I got the cheese fries the Chili. The Margaret the margin was great. Solid I mentioned wasn't particularly noteworthy, but it was functional. The Paradise Park different dessert, but overall. I think this was a good meal. I really liked how easy it was as far as getting to go food from a chain restaurant. This was the easiest slickest system I'd experienced in terms of. Interfacing directly with chain. And, the service was good. And I think it did make me much like you mentioned. Did make me crave the actual dining. Chilies experience so I think. Evaluating in those terms. I think this was also right down the middle. This is this is this is three forks is a three forks chilly, experienced Tilles, Naggar, it's yes. Why don't I just put it in a fucking? A three four experience and we got, we got a hand holding club with our in the hand holding cloud. HOW EXCITING! And that was our view of Chile's. It's time for a segment. Mitch has A. He's going to taste test solo. It's another edition of Spoon, man's treat or skeet. Mitch what you have with us today. Nick, I got to treats here I got skittles dips, which can only be described as kind of like. I mean look. We use come too much on the show, but there's no other way to describe these things. They're coming skittles. They're. And then I got off these mountain dew game fuel some game fuel nick, charged Berry blast. Alertness accuracy vitamins in beef for two to enhance your gaming. Which should I do? Both of them are so i. just try one. What do you think while I think? The teased them both now I. Think you have to do them both. Combo let's. The skittles. Joey you a as candy go or you skills man. skittles alright. Irma's come overseas. She's She's interested in the in the Comey, skittles, for whatever reason like. Raising Nets, but they're skittles. Basically. Yes, they're covered in this covered in this creamy yogurt flavored coating. That's by the way that is exactly what's on the package. Has Creamy yogurt flavored. Coating You can't tell you can see it right there a little bit. Oh, I see the less on it. You can't yet, they still. They still managed up on there. You can't tell. What color is. Can I think this is a green? Let's see. So. This is part of the the eating experience of these. You don't know what you're going to bite until you. Get in and tell you trumpet. Man This? Is Shaking his head vigorously. Disagree you can kind of see the color. But Not really. A Man, the yogurt that to me seems like a deficiency that you're a moving knowing in advance. What skill you're going to eat! I mean had like. That's the first of all you'd like to eat a bunch of them at once. which maybe I should try the Yogurt Flavor the Yogurt Creamy yogurt flavored coating. Is A bit. It's a bit too much. It's also kind of like dry in the. Inside or kind of hard. Okay. That was that was a yellow. Wow, nick, yes. Not only does it look like skittles with skied on them? It's a big time skeets itself. Can. Wow. This is not a treat. This is a ski. Fling into the air and and shoot with a Shotgun Mitch. What's the what's? The game fuel to your. You're wincing. You're actively wincing I. Did like a bunch of once? But there's so much yogurt coating in my mouth. God. It sucks. Jesus Christ, Who Wants Yogurt on skittles? Who Wanted Yogurt on skittles? I mean it seems like a product that no one was asking for I'm with you there. No one wanted that yeah. I'm opening up this mountain. Dew Game fuel escape from the spoon man. He's opening up. The and I should mention it's a it's a big can. This is a tall boy. Is. It's also very hard to open. Now. How much of that is the cancer design? And how much of that is your oven mid sized hands? Just fumbling with something small. If you didn't notice that there's. A Very Futuristic opening, can this. Shit, you can actually close it for later. Here's. What happened I got game fueled. My fucking is Jesus. Upon, apart over here, wags! A. Mountain Dew guy. Big Mountain new guy. New. Do you like the regular g like any of the variants? Id Code Red yesterday. Yeah, that one in ten years is great. I lived the Bob. Last Gorse. TACO bell. Excuse made a lot of Taco bell. I? I'd like all the mountain news to be honest I. Mike warranted the drink of Mike Warranties besides. Alcohol has been mountain new zero. Wow. How is do zero? We haven't tried it yet. It's great days like. Bob Mary. They have regular sounds great. Wow, this whole can only ninety calories, nick, which is surprising. It seems like it would be. Three hundred calories. Sugar, bomb. So you can reclosed this guy, my eyes and I. Don't know if my I think. I. Think my eyes are turning green from the do. I'm going to try sip of this right now. Nick, let's out is. That was a big chug. It's good to go big old SWIG. What are you tasting? It's good. It's like it's got a very. It is like a blue berry taste almost like. an icy, blue icy flavor. Wow! And it is an energy drink. And Yeah you pull up the TAB and you slide it back. It's it's. It's basically made so that you can. When you're gaming and you want to close it up. You know so you don't spill everywhere. You know what I mean if you're. If. You're I duNno. Took? Classic Gamer accident. In last two. If you're in a boss battle, you close up. The CAN, and you're good to go. You get along frantic. Yeah exactly this I'm going to drank. Nick! It's good game fuel also give the origins of this. This was shipped to my house and I. Don't know who gave it to me or why. Smart smart drink that. Good judgment. DOOFUS MIDST! You feel like you're better at gaming now. I think I actually do better a gaming right now, wow! I think that I would can pawn your ass. You fucking new BH. He talks the talk. The stuff really works. Wow so a split decision, a skeet on the snack a drank on the drink. That was that was spoons Oh. Yes, a treat. I'm sorry. A treat on the drink that was spoon, man, street or skeet like. I will I will say this terrible Combo. Don't have them together. Don't have the skills ever. I think the issue is the yogurt skills. The Yogurt skittles paired with. Anything would have been awful. Yeah. You know what I'm Gonna I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Take All the yogurt off the skittles. And then I'm going to have it for breakfast tomorrow. No you guys have to try. If you haven't yet. The Kit Kat Birthday. Cake Cats. Nick! Legs Birthday Flavor. I love birthday flavor. That sounds fantastic I got to seek that out pretty incredible. Wow, wow! Hey, just like a restaurant Uvira feedback. Let's open up the feed. Today's email comes from Mitch F- Mitch Right. When I was a kid, my mom used to accidentally burn chocolate chip cookies in the oven. Almost every time she cooked them as a result, I came to love those slightly burnt cookies, and even now like hooked suites at the opposite end of the spectrum I like when my little caesars Pepperoni, pizzas, undercooked and doughy. That's probably a health hazard, but I enjoy the texture and flavor. What technically wrong preparations do you personally enjoy? 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Rock's Backpages Ep. 66: Remembering Charlie Gillett + Johnnie Allan Audio

Rock N Roll Archaeology

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Rock's Backpages Ep. 66: Remembering Charlie Gillett + Johnnie Allan Audio

"Welcome back pages. Podcast Muslims Barney. Hoskyns here as with pringle with just a Murison Bowie. Hello Bonnie study on Jasper Good Morning. Today's episode is a special tribute to the late. Charlie Gillet who died ten years ago this month and whose groundbreaking history. The sound of the city was published. Almost exactly fifty years ago. It's not much of an exaggeration to say the rocks back pages probably wouldn't exist without that book which was Lee the first attempt to chronicle what Charlie called the rise of rock and roll and the fuss but we give historical white to particularly American pop music. That had never been taken very seriously point. I think that's right. I'm probably gave me my copy. Nine thousand two when I was fourteen and it was revelation. It taught me about things. I had no idea particular nature of the independent American music business. And how black music was essentially a creation of the independent labels? It's pockets. I believe started. The thesis is that correct. Yeah I could big brother thing. That's true yeah record this incident because we originally were cited recorded all this week. No good thing that we are. I think we've finished by saying you. We're going to be myth offering and they saly Hamas. That's where we're supposed to sell foist. Whistle trio recovered this episode. Sixty six at one more six and we'll be in house thirteen. So should we get back on track with give it right veer off into this satanic? Yes so you talked about the thesis so one of the things we're featuring free on homepage. Is this great audio interview with Charlie from Nineteen Ninety nine? That BILL BREWSTER DID ENJOY. Pretty much tells the story. I mean if you if you care anything about Charlie Gillet. If you read the some of the City I learned law listening to this again and so the story I mean he is an amazing story. I mean he grew up in very very humble beginnings in the northeast of England. I mean literally in a coma. Hamlet with no running water electricity or any south very impoverished background and yet went to Cambridge. Yeah I think he started. Economics helped him with his record company. So he tells the story about how he ended up going to comedy university in on a post grass game and essentially rising thesis about the evolution of American Popular Music. And not then deed in a seamless but he did morph into this extraordinary book which was published in. Nineteen seventy and. He talks about that. In fact we weren't GonNa Feature Clintono of Charlie talking about Zama City. I came back to then turn this into redtop over the next year or so literally. Fifteen publishes oldman descent is kind of improve Kepa. Jasmine mobiles through serious. Any of that was still just walking. Right meanwhile I got myself a call them in record mirror rolling stone which I when it first came out of his meal. Kind of president the employee Anthony Stevens and then there was a rumor to British. Moonstone was going to be lodged with Mick Jagger late Sunday and I managed an interview meeting with him as he was deciding who was going to be the editor it may Mick Jagger in England was going to be the one who decided to the editor was. He was helping to finance the rolling stones so I went to meeting Saturday after about an hour. Waiting he came in gave me. The most cursory of glances spoke to whoever is in the office and more out again and that was to be kind of gave me a whole impetus again. Show these sums up Charlie. You know impressed. By Mick Jagger joins absolutely is unknown had such integrity. He was never bedazzled by fame any union quite well. Didn't you Bonnie I knew a bit? I've met some curfew times. And he's always absolutely charming yet but if you said something he disagreed with he would let you know much like not suffering fools gladly but he has finally load colouration for fools and we put it that way never did it. Insults Shaming Ni- but in fact we're also featuring all the tribe's the we pulled in ten years ago and Charlie died from a widespread and some of them really me. Charcoal is this. The one that taught his source at this point Cheryl Garret the editor of the Faisal Sissy Limited. If she ever anything made any kind of mistake she's got an email from shauna. I go but it was never. It was never meant to make feel small. It's just. He felt compelled to correct errors. Hillside the twenty mile radius on the BBC Radio London for longtime here to show honky-tonk shop our friend and colleague Pages Mawson collies worked for Charlie all Nazis onto the phones. And things like that absolutely not as violence show that. I got my copy of Bobby. Charles's Baz web awful and we're going to get onto joining atom. Laser promised land. Was this this tune he lay over and over again and it was a terrific show. I think he lost me. Lastly is when he did his big left tons. Wore ONE DB SLEEP WORLD MUSIC. But he's sending came ticket obsessed with African music and songs hopeful slightly. Lost Mirror point. Not Because I dislike music. But it wasn't my no. You didn't speak to me and in particular way but yes is Great. Show that he did become a real champion of quote unquote and one of the three pieces. So in addition to pieces about short by Charlie. He's been pages from the dog. Yes we've been grateful for that such an important faker. There's this piece. He wrote relatively late in his Royston career about the genesis of the term world music. And it's worth just brief equipment. They said in one thousand nine hundred. Seventy owners of several British independent record labels convened a series of meetings in is Lincoln pub to discuss ways to get their records into shops. Another late says we settled on easily. Will overriding the reservations of those who felt demeaned artists to lump African leaders? Together with Pakistani devotional singer. So he it's not ideal but he was. He become such a champion of particularly African music. I would say. But not exclusively. They should stop listening to little Anglo American pop music and Roots Music and I have to resist as well because I got this email from Charlie after. We assembled a list of the best albums of the notice. This must have been in the last year of his one embarrassing disgracefully voice and imbredded list is reminds me of the top one hundred dollars. Back in nineteen seventy two when only two black albums made the list actually true. I think he's talking about seventy five. Have we really not moved on even by an inch to embrace? The rest of the world concur disagree with him. I point he point. I remember with made that list in the first place. No no I'd say it's a long time ago. Roll type back with slight in terms of you know before Charlie got into music. What an honor. The sound of the city was I mean I I just. It was sort of Bible of the American music business. How these particular stalls in Jones of meantime had evolved from the forties to the the end of the sixties also incredible detail about record labels an almond juices and arranges in session. I mean this was like new. I mean even Grill Mockus when he wrote his tribute sense his tribute long about Easter. I mean made me feel so ignorant right right. I mean fourteen when I read it on. This was completely new to me. You know I never a day about any of this stuff. It was possibly one of the my gateway drugs into black music. Yeah I mean I always liked Latin music but suddenly this little world and stuff that I previously dismissed a bit snobbish British blues away hole in sections that cheese you know something. All of that evaporates. Yes so yeah it was very important. Book Me Yeah and I think so. Many people readily it along with his honky-tonk shirt. I mean he was so influential but in such self effacing way someone used the words offer facing he was the opposite of an EGOMANIAC he set up Oval Records Original Publishing Company. In some say full he had some responsibility for the emergence of Dr Straight Sir. He didn't profit from becoming one of the biggest selling on. It takes on the one of the skeletons in the library. We just going to pull sexton rising about Paul hardcastle or the big hit with nineteen and Lumina nine hundred. The first couple of paragraphs step backward needs to move number ninety two on a yellow page. Insult scrapbook less yours. Truly RECCO business. Good Guy Charlie. Gillet had records did a pool. I wanted she'd been stood talked to pull and dirt from first light whose am is doing great work. Johnson highways and a seven to one year before that and turn a hockey is often one of those men mentions that missive was making Claus. Talks to music. Those who knew herpin rises with their schedules then along came nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy was fitting them into is. Yeah so Charlie Gillet one of the good guys. Yochelson that yeah. He knows responsible for extraordinary of Electron Proton Zone. Should we go back? To the beginning the oval story because I think the set order clip features Johnny talking about Oval on how that Labor was formed. A friend of mine said if you weren't during these six seemed to me. I was doing quite enough. What else would you do? That's the only other thing that would be to run a record label. So why would we do that? So please seventy two. We went down to Louisiana in search of material which which which eventually came is another side of ood Cajun and Louisiana. Which eventually four so we went we went to Louisiana. To found a company is licensed to step on good terms. Came back to England and couldn't find anybody who might be interested in releasing but in the meantime some couple of listeners to my show and said you must go and see this band will kill. Iras went to see them. So that really really funny and good this every. Ev- all the kind of BAT BARRIER BREAKING. I was interested in these guys. Did you know they they would sink? Twenty tiny fingers. He'll down the company to go into something like the. I really hardcore modern jazz. Just blinking an eye and it was the endure as I see them. Came back on the radio set are good went again and a third or fourth time standing there in those days abound Medusa stage. Then go back on again and do the second an Indian tipple. This book came up to me support. You keep saying how good we are on the radio fucking managers. That was easier so I mean that's another feather in choice. Not they will ever been cut out for management but but he was the day fatso manager injury span for about a year. Pretty hard work because they were on a bunch of blokes until the roads clean mildly. These and other Saturday night was sort of the birth of swamp pop as a phenomenon in Britain. Is that fair to say that he kind of brought swamp pop to Britain in a way? So what did you learn from listening to the audience? But also this teaching he wrote for an Ma in late night before he describes how he went with his partner in Oval Gordon to Louisiana. Basically they would try to find something to release this Oval Label that they started and what was fascinating was find out that they went to New Orleans. Initially couldn't really find anything but he says one night in a bar on Canal Street. I nanny toward the green goals in the pool table when a version of promised land came on jukebox featuring an accordion break where Chuck Berry author of the Song had always played guitar and it just. It blew his mind and long story short. They got in touch with floyd swallow of Jin records based out in Mount well couple of hundred miles from New Orleans and they went out was a mate. Floyd within Lafayette Villa PLA Villa Plots V. Plat if you're speaking French. But essentially they did a deal with floyd and they put out this amazing compilation which are still having my original coffee. Another Saturday night which is all stuff. I've been recorded that by floyds for including promised lying to say that was birth of swamp. Pop I mean I think swamp pop probably exist is a term before but this album. I'm just thank you for British audiences you just but that's absolutely right. I think I think it wars and I mean I think God I think I doesn't promise Johnny Allen's version of promise is one of my favorite records ever sleep fantastic listener. Yesterday is just fabulous. Isn't it and waiting is it was. It'd been recruited nineteen seventy one. So it didn't come out all not compilation to seventy four. And then and then you have this new traction in nineteen seventy eight in stiff hours. A single almost became ahead. They brought Joe Nieto's which we audio interviews dumb talk about that in a minute. We're talking I mean I think per Masan is I mean it was. It was a huge record for for so many people is still one of the greatest but it was on the beast of a cover of a Mohawk and yeah and it was only just you know just hearing it in this Song Canal Street. Fill that turned into this. Absolute classic an resulted in Johnny. Who is still essentially like a teacher visit Anita water some reader? Who's my guess? Is that right balance. They're not quite like. Hey hit it. When when Charlie I East Oval in seventy four single wasn't a hit? Then he released about a year later then seven shape they really stiff released it in conjunction with still wasn't ahead. Yeah just incredibly frustrating. It didn't sonically fit what radio pop radio play. I think that that's a simple problem things about it. I mean mentioned the Accordion Solo just got Sola by FELTON ratio. Who is also one of the office on Saturday? Night is one of the great things about I mean. It's great to see your response to it. Just heard it before. Didn't necessarily take in anything other than the cover song but actually listening to it properly is really got something. I think it's and it's interesting because there's another recording that he did that doesn't have anything like this same. That's right anything like the same magic and there's just something about that swings thinks it's interesting song. I'm Chuck Berry songs being covered by symbiosis. Don't true but this has produced. Two great covers. Johnny island one and Elvis Presley's which is just let James Burton gets also which makes the HASTA. I'm not in the backfield neck. Yes it's just great great lake home. Somebody go on the phone or I think it is something that is Elvis's version somewhat put pay. Maybe to Johnny's Avenue Challah success. But it's great that Elvis diddy and it is just it's one of Chuck Berry's greatest song almost tempted to just read couple of lines from from the lyric pure America. I love that line about I was on that midnight. Far Out of Birmingham Smoking into New Orleans. Absolutely KIGGINS THE ORLEANS. It's just our Anita. Brief Digression of Chuck Berry is ever more frustration. Ya Sisterhood Sellers with regard present. When he was one of the great American summarize yes and yet he regarded the whole thing the whole business with contempt. Yeah and it's just a huge disappointment. He turned out to be. Sasha unpleasant manner semi respects completely just briefly before we actually hear the speaking voice of Johnny Alam. I wanted to just to note this pace from nine hundred seventy charlie mentioned in the first. We heard that little raccoon mirror. Charlie was one of one hundred thirty four British Music Jones who were flown to New York to see Brindley Schwartz fill more on a bill that also included Van Morrison and quicksilver mass the breeze. Just talk about how it was one of the Great Khan seventies hype and they only just got there in time because the plane had problems. And they'd had two touchdown in flying they land deeds. Jfk by an EMEGENCY had to go in a bustle several taxes. So the film Maurice or they would have missed the entire point of there being that. He's pieces very funny. Saw something like great lights by voice terrible same old guitar. My notes scribbled in the doll to record the first impression. So he's just right and that's the first thing he writes down and then he writes Nicholas. Low Sings plays guitar was a superman shirt and has a trick of nodding. His head make his cover his face. I mean this is a tourist. Justin was interesting ways historical. Venice notorious vamps since this does hole might was it. Fame pushes was the management company slightly dubious Blogs Brizzi. Schwartz almost destroyed by this. They they would just take two pieces in the press. Yes I'm so. They then retreated pretty good at getting their heads together in the country. Whatever it is bonds reemerged as a public bond couple of years later a basically rebuilt reputation from the ground up. That's right eventually chunk than Kim. Grandpa backing band rumor and the neat low of course went on of quite notable success. So is admirable the way the British will can survive. Go completely and it's worth noting that choice radio show was at least indirectly responsible for you mentioned GRANDPA. Yeah so so he played. Charlie played his first demos. Ronnie played the first timers by Elvis. Still Wow wow. He had a hand in in so much success. He was upon those great shows on Clinton comb. That's right where I played football. So this is my lost memories really Charlie or sometime in the new tease. He ended up. He was nearly sixty years old and still playing football with people. Not Just Hall Fisher running around with this remotely group of Africans Ernst Bloch in America Bright. He just was his position. Defense never crossed the hall on. He was like the WHO is the. Ac Mullah Berets was a Franco berets. Coleman Sweetie you still incredibly fair I just sixty five is just awesome this Bernie Schwartz. He's he says met Robert. Chris Gov the village voice who told us he's the best royster in the state. Been Selassie. A modest are be critic for crawdads and other papers who tig sly and Jerry Butler and writes well about them good. Isn't that Noise Chris? Forever telling everyone is looking at some point dean of American brought critique she to us a little bit about the Jani Owl Nordia I mean this is coinciding with the seventieth stiff release and he. He's he's over here promoting it cliff white does the interview and he talks very much about the place where he comes from. Lafayette. He's a regional hitmaker. He said his first single leading days moon actually had some traction nation but that was the end of that he said he -cation he played as far away as Florida or Texas but essentially he was looking guy playing local clubs and it doesn't seem to mind that very much not thirty about the fact that he's happy to at least be having regional success absolutely. He's he's also very interesting about the whilst his music had Cajun elements wasn't pure Cajun. Music definitely nonsense. He'd booked Bosnia and again because they wasn't wolf entity Cajun enough. The we're talking about a white Francophone community essentially who very very often quite inward-looking and can isolated Muslim listened to that Clinton now where he talks about precisely that about what constitutes real Cajun music in his place the Pao due to their Two hundred twelve nightclubs in the Lafayette area in Acadia. That specialize in that I mean just to such an example. We played in this nightclub. Call the Cajun Cajun Club your between Apple Jalen Kaplan. This is on a Friday night. So the guy booked for like Five six months from that date on a Saturday night. Well the guy calls me back up two weeks later says hey man. There's little win the world you're coming on your side at night. This is why these are the people who run me out of here. He says they want Authentic Cajun music on that night and says they don't want to even hear of anything else. I mean there. There is a place About a mile from my house call Webs Neighborhood Lounge nightclub and he's not really loud as nightclub. It's strictly Cajun music. As where you'll see these people in their fifties sixties seventies and eighties. You know some of them walk in there with a walking cane. Hangup walking cane of all the music that the mini that cracks up there does. I mean it's interesting cliff white. Who's breaking on basic soul specialist? He's like how's depth. In terms of anybody he lumps ZYDECO. Which is the blacks Bush? Yeah music with Cajun. Music is the same thing which they kind of all renowned so they have similarities lows use of the coding and things like that wash boards and so on and so forth zydeco is can't blues. Yeah Yea Shin their executive for very obvious reasons that sort of leads to comes ation slutty bruce into view of race relations in Louisiana. That's the way I read it. He kind of Johnny claims that things are better than they used to be. In fact history has proven that. That's really not necessarily the case. I mean they can be better and still be all will will quite he talks about. He's asked to conference people understand. Cajun people speaking French silicon but it is very different is quite different. It's quite a different language just quickly explaining what cage music is and who the. Cajun people comes from Arcadian which were originally French. Who came from was basically driven out of Canada and went down because they refused to Kowtow to the present shots rider kicks out of Nova Scotia and they went the region around New Orleans where they were kind of welcomed. New Orleans itself was a French place originally before it was bought by the American Government Napoleon to sell it indeed because he had tried to the Haitian revolution costume so much money because he was such a fool about trying to reimpose slavery on the Haitian even run out of money and had to sell two. Yeah let's go frankly just for that very very useful history lesson. So they settled. They settled not much in New Orleans the cellphones they did settle in the violins small towns around they retain the language as you say incoming missiles slightly pigeon version of French of time. They did absorb losses. The local black culture many respects they brought with them accordions things for sure century French instruments ordinances and in the strictly Cajun Music Costa Fiddle yet. Well yes. I'm washed poets. Eight's a kind of music festival. Balto music very UPTEMPO. Lots of coordination lots of path rhythm and that is something John took from it. You know he wasn't appear Cajun and he talks about how high school he wants to do. Very much pure Cajun Don's garage. They can then he sort of suddenly hood rock and roll and was like Oh they soar. Elvis own appropriately the Louisiana hayride. That's GonNa turn a young man and he played up stealing occasion. He talks The sun states versus the you get Paulson's listened to actually wrong lovely speaking voice join us That he is a Louisiana native and Nationa sense on the he. He's pleased England permitting srecko but Astra's experience. Yeah you know. This guy who normally wouldn't play doesn't twenty miles from from these in London. Promoting this record so yeah and he talks about promised land itself and being risks. Unisom silent about that I took the stage at rulebook platelet at the end of the the end of the podcast. But he's very museum in front of his conquest tough audiences these these balls out in the suburbs right. Yes No boondocks about singing land of thousand doN'TS and inviting people to sing along but then there's some guys maybe Kim Is is a lot of cajun singers. Who would try to make it a little bit outside of that space change? Their names on basically dropped French parts of their names. Johnny Allen had a French surname and other people also kind of rethinking their names in order to try to. You know elise that could pronounce the names. What's interesting is that that black women says either courses had been discovered this positive rediscovering blues people buy low maximum delights such who runs the South Biologists. So we in this country were much more aware of the black artist conception is broken dukes of this world then we were in the White Cajun stuff. Not What Charlie? Philip found interesting was as much as the white stuff just never left Louisiana so significant way. Yeah completely I mean because we were wearing New Orleans music Dr Jon Allen Toussaint the Nieces. We talked about the other week all of that sort of stuff but this Merle. Yeah and it's worth ninety. There's quite a big difference. Actually I mean not just musically but culturally and in terms of the cuisine Cajun. Creole are two games in in many respects of course because they're geographically closer together. They have sh element yet. They come from different. I mean startling noting that even the slave south before the civil war New Orleans is remarked integrate Sissy and actually became less than scrape off the civil war yet but the failure reconstruction had particular ramifications on on Louisiana New Orleans and Virginia's very nice interview mostly about what we were described. The great welcome role teens absolutely just ought to finish before we move just justice this little among the attributes that came in when Charlie died ten years ago wars from Dave Lewis Editor of the. Let's up in funding tight but loose and it just again. It's just it's Kasich Charlie mess. This days that he wants inadvertently took home the might of pizza grand. He read a piece in the anime about singles and led Zeppelin's resistance to them while at the same time. Singling out the fact that is aptly more force to be reckoned with. Grant Misread this criticism of his boys and took umbrage and wrote a complaining lesser the following weeks enemy with typical Kanda. Charlie replied POPs. Let's up and would like to tell me what they've liked to have written about the shoulder smoking ten years since we lost Charlie and fifty years since the brilliant sound of the city was published. That's right now. It's it's it's it's great it really is. It's the boy of early rock and roll scholarship. Tell us what's new in the Lawrence live? We'll start off with pita loom for Herman of Home Hermit or piece of no one. This is N. P. But Chris Volz Melody Maker and sixty five and he comes over as an impossible to all the R&B funds. I'll say I think homes it's definitely only true R. and B. Group left us if they want to talk a protest anti cigarettes and God in Henry the eighth month minds and I do it all without age of pills or drugs just coffee and cocoa tons out. Thank you look. He basically busy end up living in America and it turns out. He became friends with Alex. Chilton I know is absolutely nothing would surprise. I I quote on facebook quote of the day and two three responded saying that actually he became friends not to smoke shooting some other really interesting people. I no longer know the double barrel piece of some. But if it's only Alaron stuck right eden and Kerley beat. She's just running through the singles. Just come also recently been released and it's interesting. This is from December sixty six and she just picks on top of things is gene Clark gone from Group to group Jean Claude Soliciting himself his first alert is a Beautiful Ballad entitled echoes. A beautiful thought provoking lyric and lustrous arrangement. Add Up to a possible. I hit total for GM. Now Your Big Gene Club fancy. I mean it's it's very nice to be the time someone saying. This is a really really good record. Yeah it was a great record. I mean actually it sort of untypical of Jean Claude. It's so lush. Might ALMOST BAROQUE RIGHT. California porn and with these arrangements. Think by Leon Russell Right. You're right right so this. I think there's even an oboe and strings very very much of its Tolan was it. He didn't he. Wasn't this striking out us. You know we talk about for the podcast about how he was a really important part of the early birds the defined as as brighter. And but Donnie owner. Just a pause she also right even rights recently about ten minutes recorded meekly and now one on. Its way up the charts. The butlers Broomfield second. Release for what it's worth so we'll have to listen to this one for a while before you really feel it. But it's definitely worthy of the top twenty lists as she says written about ten minutes. This is written in response to the sunset strip riots which adapted live only about a month before this. This comes out so it's a very very quick release about a specific event. It's just it's an historic dancing style. Stephen Stills responding to the threatened closure of this tiny little club Hon. doors bright's wasn't like they were protesting about you know. Put anything on important persecution minority. That'll club was going to be closed. And they will march down the street and heavy handed any combs instant agitprop on the back of folk protests and stills did literally he writes very quickly and nothing could was recorded very armistice can sit guns and I mean. Do you think it's a great record reservations. I kinda like it is sonnet is quite nice. It's not guitar line. Something's happening here. It's goals Stevenson. Bulls could be David crosby bullshit but this was the size of the heads expanding but it isn't chaotic. La beat is very interesting and they really covered those riots. They're about to three nights of it and there are less pages full of it. They will then interview kids about recipes. Interesting time I think Neil Young was actually bundled into the back of a of a police car van and taken down your local nick but I always think that Neil Young's equivalence just what it's worth. I'm also Britain and ten s right. I think he's you know infinitely more powerful about a slightly more important event absolutely. I'm yeah probably has something to do with something happened in what it is an exactly. There's a man with a gun older moving onto the knife. Seventy three bronze thirty old friends who've looks back paid for three hundred peanuts viewed by the mall. Ray Fox Cummings is one of our rights. I'm really COMINGTON joy of joys nine or stolen we do. He was very early kind of no pros of the mother. Who Pulled Bowie? Sort of you know. And Lou Reed and people like that. But this is broaden ferrier he says Britain was once quoted as saying that will each time he started with the cover mut inwards was going to be the third. The idea comes first and the government has to express idea. Used to find right chick for it off Brian Dick Word Chick. Webb is instinct. Because I'm not sure it has actually left the bound. Witnesses few takes place it seventy three so he might have just because obviously he's not on Strand. It might be not transitional mode. Yeah Yeah Move. Young enemy nine hundred seventy seven one of my favorite writers. Brian case involving Stan Getz. He says is that much fries. Tom Require a nice guy. Told Stan Getz has a really bad. Very bad reputation. Scott's doing doing is back in bending over backwards Stan Getz buffs. Signed GETS IS NOT PRETTY INTERESTING GUY. He says all music all up foams must've logic foreign content. You can't let's all hang out. You've got to be selective. That's his anti free jazz tape right. You know very action. He wanted you know he he he he was I. I love his tone. I think he's getting time. Other user gets slightly unfairly sometimes. You just seen as the Bosnian Y- quite true. There's a really nice. Bosa was actually a very quite small part of his book. And there's a really nice record with Gerry Mulligan which I think he's actually. They're both on have lovely tone. It should nice straight ahead kind of. Do you know what year that's from? I know so six sixties or early is awesome. Maybe fifty. Because he had his he and Ben. Webster seamless unique sounds of Old Town Plaza and now a million miles from each other. He says the older you get you realize it's not the mouthpiece it's you that you thought tapping your head. You want something. That's not there. He used to go to the mouthpiece manufacturers then literally come struck them how to carve his. Chrissy takes the sound of the Saxophone. Human sound breath. You hear literacy. Now he's an bronchitis expected to begin a really hard time actually had already. Roslyn jaw bowl chat with him and Brian case who has had previously been very critical of the bus stop. She that was ridiculous. I think came with interview with much. More respect for standards and uses did get played on a law in London. Air Plot Romney's distant place his his flat in London owner Christie. Taking sound of the saxophone. Like oh Ken Kayla. Who's actually Max come co-produce on time on the introduction of digital recording interviewed by Tim Sullivan for the Boston Globe? And they see one and this is the whenever in full digital recording was absolute the future that it was inherently the best way to record and he says basically what you'll get from the time you put might in front of an instrument until the person whom listens to it should be identical now in this piece. Jim Sullivan is actually kind of interesting. Critical of what he's heard in terms of populaces killian type of classical music case with digital recording. But he and other people he talks to a war field when you mulched threaten. He don't classical music business. Music record. Straight straight many stopped tracking digital things. Don't sound quite right and this is nice as you want. These which is presumably is before compact discs so the vinyl pressings of digital recordings right-to-die box. You'd drop which I think from the before you before. That was thirty seventeen. John was very first pop. Brio best a big deal civility on the line and I couldn't sticker car. They're all along you yesterday. Recorded sticky pressing for certain time right could not completely dismisses things. It's the horrible. Sounding record is very anti readies whilst now. There is a huge revival in this country in particular country in America very much to all analog recording techniques even going back to the reason taping songs I think actually just recording has been cracked. I think over just taking a long time and we're talking about thirty thirty almost about forty years thirty five years but I don't listen remediate record digitally winsome way that I did back in the eighties and the nineties. Two things I'm festival. Cds's got much better remastering digital from analogue sauces. Come so much better news but also just the software that we were calling them digital recording now compete. None of these were like thirty two track digital tape machines bit different Different and also the way people manage it in computerized cents emulate. I'm looking equipments. And so on so forth I think digital sounds sounds pretty good now in but it took a long time together. You can definitely make it sound good and I think also computing power is just so much greater days that you have a lot more headroom that you can create on a on a digital recording month. Probably you could just technologically speaking previous. That's right I mean. The digital domain is just evolved so much that inevitably things are gonNA get better from the quality of digital reverb to this sorry about that digression some aspects of Production Geek. Speak speak musician. Nasc- three one cow cooper interviewing. Our very own edgy. Ground as he groped some really interesting guy. I mean he was a pioneer black musician. In Britain in the end of the sixties Vince ban equals. Then he sobs labeled little kinds of things. It's been a fight for him struggle. He did very well this point. He's now living in Barbados. He's got his own studio there and he says they don't WanNA ask. If there was ever Blattman in English music industry who tried an even came miss the obstacles they can say yes to me just to be able to live and create can be the biggest slap in the face for a man. Who's against you? He's a. He's a tough guys. Yeah you know a lot of time for love his music by the time to him as usual. He's very interesting absolutely to now. Talking about black guys broach foot. And so this is going to call it off my full name and Richard Silvester. Those initials to dodgy so great belt number nine. It's very nice. I never loved fro. Should calmly toil us. But he was of this group of black British artists who really light hard rock. We never once hostile. Maybe possibly write some songs with polling Henry. Be An bank chimes. She wants to that point. Be a hard rock since Baraka missing. It's never talked about for that. Was Their Richards. Pasta and just never would never cut Osman. Jasper I both really love. Kozlov Toy. Just buying a sound funny. There's that's great scene. Which is how. I think you introduced it to me. It from the film Alpha Pup Alpha Papa with one of Steve Steve Greatest moments. He's the whale costly also. Remain with Jack. You're ready creepy driving cuddly toy and he sort of an and he's it some brilliant that it's almost glorious. It's a magnificent task. But he does it so beautifully that it is like a homage to this truck plant at the marquee when cuddly toy was a hit and they didn't have much going on beyond that tra- bright but he's still by rushing back this way with a new. I'm coming out soon. And there's the lead track offer is a duet with beverly annoyed. So Andrew Richard Silvester Roach his full name. Yeah is he still? He's still going strong and probably still think right. Versions company toy could be as late. It's fabulous Steven Wells Interviewing Nikki. Six Mick Mars of Motley crue but not included. Just come up with these bullshits met. Marcus I mean look at me. If you were a chick what you think of fucking sexy would you WANNA fuck make? I wouldn't know Nikki. Success Interested in. Hey baby let's do it all night long more like get it over with an order. A Ham Sandwich is opposed by guns and roses lead singer whose name. Taty escape route coming out with ax coming out with the homophobic stuff that you did and and six says it sounds fucking week on. I GONNA stop putting down buck people homosexuals just to be shocking week principles and got quite last piece. Ninety five is some reynolds interviews journals will for the Wadi Bani. Utah me on his gray folded which is about a hundred versions of the grateful. Dead Dark Star stretched and more than imposed on this this this this this extraordinary calling. Donald Baird with commissioner grateful dead yes could dock stars. My favorite one of my favorite bands is low. The dead live and succeed sixty nine hundred sensation. Good at times in a link. Be Awful but it could be brilliant but this is a really really interesting use of modern technology bait essentially song cling to produce this now before as a very interesting interview before great folded hidden a singled plunder phonics where he take him a lot of different pop songs and so just pulled them apart and donal constantly using these techniques had been hit become a lawsuit from the first copyright holders had released it as a nonprofit CD seven hundred of being sold. He had to get rid of the destroyed rest and destroy. The masters really is constant school. Apparently you can get it. 'cause those seven hundred got out and people then so nice help it. I like. I'd love to hear it. I mean he's already interesting guy channels. Well you know. I seem to remember commissioning. Jones Savage Raviv Gripe felt right Emoji when I was when I was the rave reviews at its. I didn't know much about. Donald will the tool savage expressed an interest and I do remember applying funding absolutely fossil. Interesting idea I for raccoon say literally dozens if not hundreds of versions of does he went removed from all different areas and just pulled out from right. He plundered plunder funnest Hungary's from. What sixty eight right up to ninety one ninety two different live live recordings as one bit where he piled so many on top of them and then squeezes them? Hoping is like a single bang but made up your own comrades. Man You really interesting. He's also the plunder phonics thing. There are still people doing that sort of thing. Not Just mashing up to pop records but really kind of taking elements from you know ten fifteen records and con of creating this whole new thing that they're out there doing that and I think you know it's a lot easier to do that with a technologist also the Internet. You know it's impossible to shut down. These can just go and do it. And and actually people started to realize that it's pretty beneficial to record to be come popular in other ways rather than trauma short claim copyright and say. Oh this is you know. This isn't allowed. Or whatever says in this piece that he didn't get much feedback back from the dead Vasquez Garcia. Just died in there. Too busy during the Garcia's death Thomas because it's five yet He died in. I Five Five Stanton. Tom Com Sampson. The Chemo plans on divisional. Dogs are released golden touch saying how much she liked it but I like the fact that gave him permission to the deafness that credit very much. It's it's an interesting piece. I really recommend if you can find grateful. I think that's on spotify thinking. Listen it's very very interesting thing. That's my lot. Just go for just a couple of things I which is. Missy Elliott live in Birmingham. Stephen Dalton goes to see in October two thousand six and it sort of mixed review. I think basically the show had really great elements because Michelle is really great. Yeah but also there's a lot of terrar- around it and there wasn't extended Tina Turner Karaoke bits and just sort of didn't really WANNA come together for every sense jolting show-stopping anthem such as get your freak on there were two or three cheesy downstream genes and banal generic audience boosting chance Admittedly the floor show Dynamic Nana Jessica but no substitute for Elliott's avant-garde beats and beaming charisma writer and Stephen Ultimate points out. That it is remarkable that someone like missy Elliott who is so has such a broad canvas of different musical ideas that she uses for her to be the biggest female rapper. Carnival time is is actually really interesting. Because she's done such a progressive different thing. I mean hut career sort of his little peak around ninety nine. Two thousand with it sort of went off the boil and then she but she has come back with interesting releases. Yeah I say her albums always very patchy but I. I'd say the same about a little current rb artists. I mean I think that. Let's say Liz exception. Last album is actually pretty much fabulous through and in fact has missed. Alien Tony I mean. Obviously the Oslo has also been Houston cars to someone to come. I like her. No misleading. I mean I've always loved carrying A. There's something terribly mentz likable lovely about her. I wish I liked her fame carefree free comments fantastic first three albums. I mean I thought they were incredibly fun. Can't and small and funny and she was just different. Yeah very eccentric. She says every taking a bit of a back seat really. Yeah over the last few years. I think we're still waiting for a new Al Muzi year ago about about a year ago. Which was really great and says fund great video with Youtube and so and so forth it is hard for all our basis or hit. Papa sustained careers just the nature of the beast. Us Is this enormous term autism. Lucky got three years going to real productive. What have you done for me lay it? What did you do for me lost weight? Well examiner She's also I think she goes into business mentoring. Other people producing she. Even though she uses outside producers on this first realms a number of outside producer Timbaland particularly. She is able to assert her possibility. Musical personality is what was definitely evidence does not yeah so we love. Mris people sing perfect clean bound. Bit of a lateral move but clean bit live at Shepherds Bush Empire here in London. Of course around the corner from Hair Collins to see and there's sort of electro dance bought with classical flourishes. That's what a string group. Their focus from Cambridge University. And Don's records you don't have to attack Donald Records but with strings is the beginning on the end of what they do. I mean Kelvin seems to enjoy it gets three out of five stars and sort of like mixed reviews. Bit a bit strange. The fuse nearing Cango. Stray Rehana a tale of getting Gygi Wallis records and UK. Shanty vote the hooked on classics. Classical disco era. And Mozart's house has a hoedown. Ish Madness not dissimilar to Switzerland's eurovision entry a little bit random moreover this sold out gig proves that a band can't use their fans up in the balcony of the teenagers joined by rather be paid a fierce double dip Honcker with the Covenant House Anthem. Show me love are shunted by a crew of rugged types who continuing party started at Prince Harry's pad. Yeah well the way you described. The music doesn't tell US BRAS try. Roku polk was a massive massive. Hit on a record that as a pop record. I actually quite like the rest of it is pretty sort of middle of the big act. Jack I mean you know at the same time is disclosure and rudimentary looking a big thing and that sort of new? Uk House seen we liked disclosure. We liked disclosure although they and then other albums have been again. I'd I've not been super interested by their stuff so it sort of slightly in the naming seen I find anyway well. They did a good record with Mary. J. Blige they did record with her. That was one of her better records. I think interesting stage. Why both for two hours lost of the things I picked out was actually you added Bonnie. Which is Jack White speaking of People? Who Like analog recording meeks but I just picked it out because it's buying Gill independent and I think he wasn't great writer and the first line is who does Jack White think he is. Well judging by the cover to boardinghouse reach a smoothly airbrush Tim Electric of Keanu reeves which rather flutters both men in complementary ways of writing funny sort of comparison to draw to chaps. That's it for me. 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The heck over here we'll do like You recall this phone. Thousand dance should not much. Okay here. Here's saying no you know all the people that kind of that kind of thing and they really big that right now. It's so places someplace. I wouldn't dare call the station do that. You know because I I walk off and hand. It has to be selective and I've learned after doing it for so many years. You have to learn your audience and I. I have to kind of study the audience before going through this routine. You've got to watch you know I've got to watch who I can do this. Too and Kate. Yeah Yeah right guys sitting there looking at me like that. I don't dare to do so. You've learned that hard experience. That was Johnny Allen in conversation with cliff white in nineteen seventy eight concluding. This week's rock back pages podcast. The hosts will Barney hoskyns pringle and there was co hosted and produced by Jasper Murison boy the rocks back pages. Podcast is part of the Pantheon. 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CRE News Hour 8/2/2019

Commercial Real Estate News Hour

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CRE News Hour 8/2/2019

"From the business desk at st broadcast news this is the c. arena news hour. I'm steve lubeck. It's friday august second twenty nineteen in this week's edition of the sierra news news hour considerations for high net worth investors looking at qualified opportunities zone funds has potential investments. We'll take a tour of the discovery discovery labs a scientific research facility near philadelphia that hopes to keep life sciences companies in the property from the workbench start up to whole whole buildings of research and manufacturing and we'll talk with an atlanta startup that wants to make small investors into hotel owners with room discounts as part of the benefits. We'll be back with the top cr news stories right after these messages turn earn your podcasting passion into profits the book the business of podcasting describes the business side of podcasting including how to become a professional national podcast. 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We like to ask for your support to keep these programs in production visit state broadcast news dot com and click on the patriot button on the right side of the page to pledge some financial support to the sierra news hour and of course if we have story suggestions or comments on the reporting that we're doing drop me a line. My email addresses steve at st broadcast news dot com now. Let's take a look at some of the news stories breaking in the commercial real estate markets as expected last week the federal reserve cut the federal funds rate by twenty twenty five basis points to arrange of two to two and a quarter percent. The cut represented a marked change in the direction of monetary policy in the first half of twenty nineteen eighteen following a hike of twenty five basis points in december spencer. Leave the chairman of c._b._r._e.'s america's research and a senior economic adviser to the firm. Tom thinks it's a good sign for the commercial real estate industry the current state of the u._s. Economy remains supportive of commercial real estate fundamentals as uncertainty and slower slower growth way on returns and other asset classes the relative attractiveness of u._s. Real estate will influence capital flows lower hedging costs will also support more international investment investment into u._s. Property markets today's fed rate cut will support these dynamics c._b._r._e. Expects continued growth and lower than expected interest traits and growth closer to its longer term trend of two percent in twenty nineteen bain capital real estate the real estate investing business of bain capital. It'll sold a one point. Three four million square foot corps life science portfolio in the heart of the research triangle. That's in north carolina. It's one of the top innovation hubs in the u._s. The portfolio consists of eighteen buildings on four campuses and bain sold it to its partner. Longfellow strategic value fund in a transaction action valued at about four hundred five million dollars. The ninety four percent leased portfolios home to some of the world's leading life science innovators including genetic research firms top ranked clinical research organizations and leading agriculture technology companies bain capital real estate started to build the portfolio with longfellow in twenty a fourteen since then the teams created namic ecosystem of life science healthcare and technology tenants that enjoy state of the art buildouts and a robust mix of modern amenities trans western commercial services is expanding its healthcare advisory service teams exclusive leasing property management and construction management assignment for a medical medical office portfolio owned by american healthcare investors. That's a real estate. Investment trust in addition to the original fifteen assets totalling about four hundred forty four thousand square feet in atlanta the teams now going to provide services for six other properties. The twenty one asset assignment now spans almost eight hundred thousand square feet with an and overall occupancy of eighty eight percent the newly assigned properties include three medical office buildings totaling two hundred eighteen thousand square feet in cullman alabama a thirty thousand square foot medical office building homeward alabama a fully occupied forty three thousand square foot medical office in cell koga alabama and a forty five thousand thousand square foot medical office building in mount juliet tennessee common grounds workplaces signed a long term lease for sixty two thousand square feet in the thirty two story seventeen nineteen hundred market building in the heart of philadelphia's center city. The workplace is scheduled to open in late. January twenty twenty common grounds as an enterprise grade workplace workplace as a service company collaborating with office owners and providing flexible space in co working solutions in multiple u._s. Cities common grounds will build the flexible work space as on two floors in the recently renovated eight hundred fifty thousand square foot building. It's located two blocks west of suburban station. The seventeen hundred market building provides hides quick access to regional rail and subway systems in philadelphia. Come and grounds announced long term leases this year of over two hundred sixty four thousand square feet in midtown town atlanta. Los angeles is financial district seattle's south lake union and to washington d._c. Locations in twenty nineteen common grounds opened new workspace. He's in minneapolis portland and salt lake city and it has three additional locations opening this summer with nine more under construction investment management company carter will have a bird's words. I view of the new york financial district. The firm signed a seven year lease for thirty six thousand square feet taking the entire eighty first floor of one world trade center the seven year old companies relocating from offices at five fifteen greenwich street. Carta is an ownership network changing. How assets are acquired valued in transacted acted founded in two thousand twelve car manages five hundred seventy five billion dollars in equity for more than eleven thousand companies well towers buying summit medical groups forty three acres six building medical office campus in berkeley heights new jersey for one hundred and forty million dollars. The two hundred seventy thousand square foot campus will be mr least by summit under a new twenty year absolute net lease the campuses the largest and most comprehensive of five hubs in some. It's eighty location hub-and-spoke model l. It'll bring well towers total footprint with summit to more than five hundred thousand square feet the sales expected to close in the third quarter of twenty nineteen summit summit recently announced it would merge with city m._d. A leading urgent care platform with significant scale in the new york new jersey metro area jails healthcare capital the markets experts completed the sale of one hundred twenty six thousand square foot outpatient facility fully occupied by affiliates of duke health to venice for about eighty one million dollars fantasies s. and p. five hundred company and a leading real estate investment trust with a portfolio of about twelve hundred assets in the u._s. canada and the u._k. Okay the five story class. A outpatient healthcare facility was constructed. No opened in two thousand eighteen it consolidated fourteen critical sub specialties of the duke health enterprise located in the south point sub market of durham. The outpatient centers the largest off campus facility in the duke health outpatient network it houses. This is practices in neurology cardiology ophthalmology o._b._g._y._n. Pediatrics and primary care tech talent employment in the new york city metropolitan area a reach two hundred sixty four thousand jobs last year. That's a forty four percent increase since twenty eleven according to c._b._r._e. In its latest tech talent viewpoint c._b._r._e. Says is the pace of growth is accelerating growing from an annual increase of two point two percent in twenty sixteen to three point three percent and twenty seventeen to four percent in two thousand eighteen. Nearly half of the growth in two thousand eighteen was in technology engineering related occupations which grew by substantial thirty nine percent meanwhile the the n. y. C. metro region so modest but steady increases across other tech occupations and continues to boast a deep pool of software developers and programmers the most. I highly skilled tech talent. The report based on c._b._r._e.'s north american scoring tech talent report also found the new york metro areas the largest producer of tech degree graduates in north america adding more than thirteen thousand new tech grads in twenty seventeen a growth rate of forty eight percent in the past five years. A couple of executive moves in the state of new jersey at agencies that deal with real estate issues. Donna renderos has been named executive director of the office of planning advocacy and secretary of the new jersey state planning commission renderos previously served as chief of administration for the new jersey housing and mortgage finance agency z. tycoon who was a guest on the july nineteenth episode of the sierra newshour has a new job ties been promoted to vice president for policy and communications at the new jersey economic development authority cooper who joined the f._d._a. In february will report to eda c._e._o. Tim sullivan. You're listening to the c._r._a. News hour from st broadcast news dot com qualified opportunity zones continue to be a huge topic in commercial real estate. They provide some fairly significant advantages for high net worth individuals. Kevin matt's is a partner at the law firm stroke stroke and levion. He's also a certified public. Accountant kevin specializes in domestic and international estate date and tax planning kevin water. Some of the key things that high net worth individuals need to keep in mind. Everybody's interested in opportunity. Zones high net worth with people clearly want to invest in them. What should they be thinking about. And how do they need to position their investments so that they don't find themselves running afoul of the rules. I've is very important for the high net worth individuals to understand <hes> the three significant tax benefits they can obtain and then from there be able to comprehend at least generally some the governing rules that apply so what i'm advising a client on there are three significant snippet benefits to bear in mind number. One is tax deferral saw. Someone asks -nificant gain. Let's just use round numbers because it's easier to illustrate with big numbers. Let's say someone has a twenty million dollar game okay so a nigga game and it could be a game back into uh early part of two thousand eighteen which may be more than one hundred eighty days ago <hes> but there's a rule that's in the proposed regulations and actually actually in the first trunch and said that if you had the game unless unless an election made otherwise and it's from a partnership or an s. corporation or or could also be a trustor states to pass through entity you can have an election to have the game treated as the trigger point as being the last day of the tax will year so that it could be as late as december thirty one twenty eighteen in that in that example if waters listen to this this this conversation later maybe we're talking december thirty one twenty nineteen but bear in mind so the hundred days and you could take that game and if you invest in qualified opportunity fund with an one hundred eighty days and money here by the way is fungible very importantly. It's not like a like kind exchange. <hes> where you have to have escrow funds you just simply invest an amount that equals the amount of capital bowl game that you have could be measurement questions <hes> but but putting that aside for now you put that into a qualified opportunity fund with one hundred eighty days and you're able to defer for that game until the early to occur of two days one is the date of ultimate disposition of being best in the qualified opportunity fund and these doc in trash proposed regulations that came out in april of this year provided some some color on on that and including potentially but then gifting context and the second the the ultimate outside date is december thirty one twenty twenty six so if you're holding the invest in the fund and and december thirty one twenty twenty six cubs along at that point in time the deferred gain comes do but not potentially all of it and also varies significantly they could. There's no interest charge on this so someone has to twenty million dollars gate again. Big numbers simply just to illustrate <hes> that adam outcomes do before putting aside basis adjustments comes december thirty one twenty twenty six so long as it's no earlier disposition would no interest charge whatsoever however so there's a significant benefit time value of money with i'm talking to the to the high worth individuals who has been saved their additional benefits beyond that so so you start out with a zero basis the rules tell us generally if you happen on to hold the interest in the qualified opportunity fund for five years you get ten percents step up in basis on the defer gain so ten percent of twenty million dollars in this example would be two million dollars. Step up <hes> if you happen to hold it for seven years and you with a december thirty one twenty twenty six outside they have investment done by december thirty one twenty nineteen eighteen to accomplish that you get additional five percent above back steep so you would have a total fifteen percent step up in basis <hes> under these assume facts back twenty million dollars for a game. That's <hes> that's three million dollars. Step up which reduces the amount of the gain from twenty million dollars to seventeen million billions so you've just by virtue of holding the interest in the fund this period of time not only do you achieve the furrow without interest charge but you actually reduce use the amount of the gate wanting to watch out for though talking to clutch we don't own with tax rates will be on capital gains. Come twenty twenty six bit it could be higher there could be lower that could be the same but you do get the benefits of deferral and you also do without interest charge and you also get the the potential step up partial step up in basis to eliminate part of it the third main <hes> benefit than that. I bet high then we'll discuss with <hes> my my my clients or high net worth individuals is that you wanna target if you can hold in the interest in the fund for ten years because once you get to ten years to get an additional benefit which is that if the fund goes up in value and at that point in time that will be after we're just ever thirty one twenty twenty six so you will pay the tax on the <hes> although again as mentioned before the amount of <hes> game could be potentially reduced deuce two basis adjustments but come after ten years any subsequent appreciation is completely tax-free <hes> and and that is potentially huge benefit now of course one was always considered. You never know if the fun up in value they could go down. Fortunately there's there's a rule that caps the amount of defer game at fair market value as of the relevant point in time which could be again if there's no prior disposition december thirty one twenty twenty six but if it were to go up say to just for round number purposes to fifty million dollars at that the point in time you'd be looking at fifty million dollars about realized stuff's good disposition a basis of twenty million dollars by virtue basis adjustments assignments due to what i mentioned before and also by virtue of december thirty one twenty twenty six at the deferred tax about coming to that's a thirty thirty million dollar game. If the individual happens to hold the interesting qualified opportunity fund at that point in time for ten years. That's a magic a number that thirty million dollar gain is completely <hes> tax free <hes> completely excluded from taxation so that's that's very powerful unlike unlike tax tax exempt organizations which have to have pre approval for their status but then every service that is not the case here that is apps that is not the case here to make it easy. There's effectively. There is a self certification process big qualified opportunity refunds simply files with its tax return and it's so it'd be a tax attorney were inferior in two thousand nineteen. It'd be a tax return filed in twenty twenty and i._r._s. Interest for him eighty nine ninety six bad says i meet their carbon being qualified opportunity fund in insofar as <hes> <hes> either domestic corporation or domestic partnership now importantly when leaving out here can't be a single member elsie. That's a disregarded entity. That's not allowed <music> out here. It has to be either domestic corporation or domestic partnership. You could have a sole shareholder be of a c. corporation or an s. corporation that could work too so so and then in addition to that there is ninety percents of asset test ninety percent of the assets according to statute that you have to be devoted to holding a qualified opportunities own property or interest in qualified options zone business that in turn owns uh-huh qualified opportunities and a property when i'm talking to clients and say well that sounds almost impossible to to meet how how are you going to know from day. One will fortunately be be <hes> two different trash proposed regulations that have come out have provided quite a bit of leeway here in guidance so first off up in the second trash proposed regulations first six months of cash. That's received the qualified opportunity fun so long as it's made sustained solely in cash cash equivalents or short-term data instruments and that's defied is not to exceed eighteen months it completely does not get considered the purposes of the ninety percent test. It doesn't taint it's completely. It's completely not considered so that keeps me way. They're the big benefit though oh comes when instead of having simply an investment of qualified opportunity fun qualified opportunity intern has investments in qualified the opportunities zone businesses so as i mentioned before the qualified opportunity fund can invest directly and property that's located in the opportunities on so-called economically distressed communities <hes> berry in mind as all based on the two thousand ten census which is now what nine years as this as this certain point in time in the rear view window so much judge for -cation has occurred in certain areas <hes> or it could be investment in a qualified alpine opportunities own business <hes> which and the second trash proposed regulations have provided some guidance as to it's pretty easy to figure out real estate is located is an opportunity zone if it's held by his own business but what if it's operating a brain trader business <hes> guidance has been provided concerning komo the other things that fifty percent gross income tested and various day parts were provided with the two the two key <hes> benefits that are provided the leeway items that were provided was number one be happy investment in the zone business only substantially all the assets have to a particular his own business. I have to be <hes> located in opportunities own. Substantially all is defined in the regulations as meeting seventy percent in this context i and the explanation provision to the first drudge propose regulations say what that really means is that it's ninety percent of the qualified opportunity fund or q oh f- level seventy percent at the qualified options of business level you multiply ninety percent by seventy percent you'll link after have effectively sixty three percents <hes> investment devoted to it and then secondly if you have his own business that's operating as they working capital exception. There's a whole series series. Requirements among requirements are <hes> that you can't have more than five percent of the assets beat on the in financial type asif asif but there's a big big exemption on the proposed regulations <hes> which was addressed both in the first and the second tractors that says that if you meet this this disqualification of of <hes> having a plan for the deployment of working capital over time over appear you could have the benefit of up to thirty one months wants to deploy working capital <hes> these the second trust proposed regulations also said he would be on that that if you you have a plan to deploy but he don't get government approval you can even go beyond that and that is extremely helpful right there so i think those are those are many any of the key points i'd like to emphasize <hes> at the outset in in discussing mismanages quality to opportunity zones with high net worth individuals and how they can go about taking they're taking me amount of their capital gains investing it and what to expect the one one thing i would notice one never has cristobal as far as how <hes> these investments will will play out <hes> the one thing we do. Juneau is that there will be a liquidity need. Come december thirty one twenty twenty six to pay the tax now again as i mentioned before the amount of tax could be reduced <hes> by judah basis adjustments. There's also a special rule that caps the amount of the game deferred at fair market value at that time so if you've be <hes> valued investment has gone down <hes> that's generally not a good thing but at least the amount of tax due gets gets reduced <hes> to to recapped it that the concern that one has to has to think through an clients need to be advised on his well december thirty one twenty twenty six six. That's for twenty twenty seven <hes>. How am i going to pay for tax. You need to have effectively thinks through a funding mechanism you have sufficient funds is to do it but other questions that arise well. What if you die now. I'm gonna stay planning lawyer. <hes> the rules provide that effectively ah income in respect to seed and <hes> concepts apply which means adapt is ordinarily not gonna be recognition of him be <hes> the the <hes> the taxation <hes> that was deferred carries over to ever happens to hold the interest in the fund on december thirty one twenty twenty sixth unless there is a prior inclusion of n._s. Defined and be a second tranche proposed regulations <hes> with a carryover of the holding building periods of five years seven year and also for purposes of of of ten if you if you happen to make it to ten years there's attacking a holding period end of the day though someone someone be at the estate or beneficiary who has been bequeath. Perhaps an interesting unqualified opportunity fund <hes> have to pay the tax at that time <hes> so that that needs to be planned for as well <hes> belva mentioned in discussing with high net worth individuals if we're talking about a general gifting plan <hes> the second truck proposed regulations took a very dim view of gifts from the point of view that this just as a general rule <hes> that's gonna be considered <hes> an inclusion events <hes> if done prior to december thirty one twenty twenty six however however and this is very significant if the gift happens to be to what's known as a grant or trust for federal income tax purposes which very generally generally as a as a trust that is treated as one the same as a grand tour <hes> for income tax purposes although it may be as a result of a taxable gift outside sided wins taxable estate for state a gift tax purposes. If it's too aggressive or trust that will not be considered an inclusion but that there are still some <hes> open issues concerning that i can tell you that <hes> american college which states council is working on follow up on on a comment letter ah that's designed to to flesh out and address and can broaden the scope with the exemptions there <hes> if especially in context of gifts <hes> but those are some of the concerns and some the items that that i will discuss with a high net worth individual who's considering <hes> <hes> employing are going gore investing equality so let me ask you this <hes> the benefits from investing in these vehicles seems to be very large for high net worth individuals <hes> and there is this sense that it sunsets in two thousand twenty six. Do you have any sense that the program is going to be extended attended a renewed and start over and how do people handle the investments if that happened would they just roll them over into a new vehicle or continue them as they are or how does that work well. That's a good question steep <hes> that involves to some extent crystal ball gazing that we do know a couple of things here. This is the one prevision in the task custom jobs. That was an accident twenty in late two thousand seventeen but actually was bipartisan so it was supported by among others <hes> cory booker a democrat democratic senator from new jersey. <hes> i know sean parker <hes> <hes> the former c._e._o. Of facebook founder of master was also a supporter of it <hes> so it is possible and again we can only right now do the law that's on the books but it's possible that that subsequent congress congress may decide to push back or have some sort of additional benefit beyond twenty twenty seven thirty one twenty twenty six x was important to bear in mind that even though the tax becomes do at that point in time again you do get the benefits of deferral you get the benefit of the basis adjustments if you've held for five or seven years and then completely aside from that if you happen to have held it for ten years even though he invested prior december thirty one twenty twenty six x so long as you ultimately dispose of it by no later than twenty forty seven so that's more than twenty years after that <hes> that's about twenty eight eight years from wherever you are right now you can still get the benefits of having a designation attached which means you get the benefit of the exclusion. <hes> i'll be subsequent appreciation appreciation from happyhiller for ten years so <hes> so yes december thirty one twenty twenty six is a day in the future <hes> at eddie one needs to be concerned with <hes> but you can still start now and achieved benefits including the basis step ups and the the exclusion if you hold for ten years even though it's well beyond twenty <hes> at least that's the solution will be on december thirty. What twenty twenty six well it sounds like a lot to think about and i appreciate you taking the time to talk about. Why pleasure steve kevin matt's is a partner in the law firm stroke stroke in love and and in new york city. You're listening to the c._r._e. News hour i'm steve lubec in the peaceful suburban setting reading between conshohocken and king of prussia in eastern pennsylvania about twenty minutes west of philadelphia m._l._p. Ventures is redeveloping glaxosmithkline's smithkline's one million square foot research campus and the nearby six hundred forty thousand square foot innovation at renaissance campus into the largest co working ecosystem for healthcare life sciences and technology enabled companies in the country large research campuses all across the country are facing the same kind of redeployment deployment challenges chemical and pharmaceutical research is expensive and time consuming but companies can no longer afford to maintain large research facilities on their own being able to convert these facilities into shared spaces like the highly successful bell works development in central new jersey is going to be critical of these complexes. Is there going to survive for research uses now unlike bell works however which has been redeveloped for independent companies working alongside each other but not necessarily together the discovery labs represents the first large-scale co working for innovation of its kind m._l._p.'s hoping that the best and the brightest minds in healthcare healthcare life sciences and technology enabled industries will rub shoulders and create energy driving innovation in one mass of team oriented workspace the discovery labs encourages planned impromptu meetings among c._e._o.'s and employees to spark creative thinking and a free exchange of ideas. We took a trip out out to the facility for a tour with audrey greenberg chief financial officer of m._l._p. Tell me a little bit about what we're looking at here. We've got some some renderings of <hes> how how this is going to be redeveloped. Yes we're standing in the k. Legacy worldwide are in deep headquarters. <hes> that we purchased and started started <hes> leasing in the last couple months we're looking at the renderings from gansler did a phenomenal job putting in millennial centric trick high ceilings glass corridors light throughout the building and creating a cluster and east king of prussia where we we are housing life science technology companies under one roof to create an ecosystem for innovation was this building originally used for research and development in the life science in space sciences building. Was it a single company. It was it was yes k. and what made them leave the building and make it available for development. There's an interesting revolution occurring right now within life science so a lot of the large pharmacy pharmaceutical companies are consolidating and downsizing the real estate holdings outsourcing. There are indeed to biotech start-ups. Why is that the research and development costs have escalated to two point two two billion dollars just to develop a drug from idea to commercialization it takes fifteen years and a majority of the ideas fail the the return on equity. The farmer gets on these operations is less than two percent. That doesn't work for wall street so what's been happening as they acquire companies that are later in stage with the f._d._a. Approval process and commercialize those products for them. Which is what they're great at so so they don't need the space the the research is done differently. It's done differently. They still need space. They still do research but they need less space and they need more efficient use of space so <hes> <hes> they have consolidated their operations to three or four facilities into one so how do you take the space and make it attractive to multiple multiple tenants and multiple uses well. It's all about collaboration given the cost to develop you have to work with other players in sharing the costs in <hes> coming up with ideas and outsourcing part of your research so a lot of these c._r._o.'s komo outsource research organizations and manufacturing organizations do a lot of the work for you from a are in d. and manufacturing perspective and being able to partner with them under one roof provides a synergistic atmosphere for development in the way we do that here is through these <hes> collaboration areas collaborations zones in addition to our discovery village which we can walk over here and i can show show it to you. We are creating what we call like. I said discovery village where we're having a gastro hotel. European food hall a brew pub ebben distillery activated rooftops a fun atmosphere for people to get together not just inside the office but outside the office to stir creativity tippety and innovation having a hotel on the property suggests that people we coming into staying for some period of time and they'll be traffic in and out that's right. That's correct and you know one of the greatest things about philadelphia and the location of this property is a proximity to an international airport lead a life science companies require that as part of their operations and transportation aspartame has specimens and the like so given that we're twenty minutes away and there's gonna be a lot of traffic at the site not just from our incubator. We've got one hundred and fifty thousand square foot incubator planned on the site but also from the large pharma and startup companies that are here as well or also on two hundred acres so we have a lot of building plan for the backyard what kind of building so we've got a million alien square feet internally with for lab office which refers with life science healthcare and tech enabled companies and the backyard. We're looking at <hes> manufacturing facilities naming namely a viral vector manufacturing facility viral vectors are a key part to the gene therapy process and cell therapy process. There's a up to an eighteen month. Wait for these factors all the outsource organizations our capacity to be able to provide these this valuable part of the genus cell therapy process process is helping to save lives and get therapies to the patients who need them. How soon do you expect the tennis to start moving in. We have attendant in the site g._s._k. <hes> is in the site and <hes> they have a cleanroom here. <hes> we are in final stages of negotiation with up to four hundred <hes> tenants four million square feet and it's been a very exciting process names that we're seeing so when do some of the others to to get here i would say <hes> we're going to start work in the next month or two and expect move ins shortly thereafter. We have some small tenants that are looking to move moving almost immediately in the next thirty to sixty days and some larger ones that have to do a little bit of planning. I so maybe six to nine months. We've got twelve interconnected buildings. They're all connected did view these class in glass enclosed corridors so you've got a lot of walking that you can do both internally and externally <hes>. We've got outside the buildings. We've got hiking trails running. Trails sports courts a helipad onsite for not just transportation executives is needed but also human specimens. A lot of the cells that are extracted from patients nations are tumors that are taken out require work immediately and are then transported back to the patient to be inserted into the human so the time line in the supply chain is very important a key feature of the campuses it self contained central utility plant which provides power steam and water utilities meeting scientific standards for all the labs on the site audrey explained the one billion dollar power plants importance to the property also at the site. We've got a cup is right here. A cup is a central utility plant which has dual grid electrical feed so if one of the substation because substations goes down the other kicks in and the cop in addition to being backed up by these two dual feeds also has a backup generator plan so it's important for life science to never go down and not awesome so they can do everything they can do everything on site and they can do it. Twenty four seven never lose power which is incredibly important when you're dealing with temperature controlled and humidity controlled environment a lot of these cleaners have high so specifications meaning the number of air changes per hour. It's important for the air to have a certain number or lack of a certain number of particles in it so it's important to always be run and always be putting the live work play environment of the discovery labs offers open spaces where tenants can cultivate a sense of community. The plan includes world class coffeeshops a ten million dollar conference inference center videoconferencing and two hundred seventy five seat auditorium with adjoining meeting at education rooms so we've got this auditorium which has stadium seating fits turner fifty people we've had many events here already and as you know oh millennials and executives in my generation love constant training and development you have to stay current in an atmosphere like this and in an industry that's constantly instantly changing at an exponential rate three times moore's law you've got to be constantly learning and this provides a setting an ecosystem for that we not only do we have this auditorium but we have several several breakout rooms and another training facility where actually in two weeks you'll be the first to here. We have the country representatives coming from around the globe that represent the state of pennsylvania trying to convince companies to come do business here so it's going to be an exciting event warehousing talking about the property and hearing some of the concerns and and some of the opportunities that the state of pennsylvania offers the discovery libs unique design also includes a fourteen thousand square foot state of the art fitness center enter with cardio and weight training equipment yoga pilates classes as well as outdoor options including tennis basketball and more than two miles of walking paths other other features include an outdoor amphitheater high end onsite restaurants and complimentary transportation to train lines. You know twenty minutes from downtown philadelphia very near to the route two corridor where seventy percent of the bio pharma companies are located. <hes> in the suburbs of philadelphia are really a thriving area. Were we're calling this area contract. Russia which is five minutes from conshohocken. You know five minutes to the king of prussia mall where there's incredible food opportunities dining and shopping we <hes> one of the greatest things about the site in my opinion is the proximity to public transportation got the radnor train station norristown line. You've got all all of these septa lines where we're going to be providing shuttle service and uber activated type shuttle service not only do we <hes> commensurate three eight are stop signs in our pickup times with train schedules but also wants somebody arise if they want to go to the airport if they want to go to the mall we're happy to provide that services well it kind of makes the <hes> <hes> transit agencies have to think differently because traditionally those stations were not intended or envisioned for people coming in in the morning rush power to go to work. They were intended for people going into center city from those locations. How are you working with. Are you working with the transit agencies and what kind of you've cooperation or you're getting there. They're very cooperative. We have been working with the state of the commonwealth. <hes> the governor's action team has been quite helpful. The economic development council also <hes> we are working. We're putting a boulevard in and they've been pen dot has been working with us on that and <hes> we're we're going to begin conversations and have already been introduced to <hes> the right players in that area to help us on that what about in terms of the <hes> the local environment the neighbors numbers <hes> sweetland road is not a very big road but there seems to be an enormous amount of traffic on it. I was surprised to see all of the eighteen wheelers that use that road going awake through what seems to be a residential kind of an area. This is zoned industrial so we're on two hundred acres. It's industrial <hes> we an in fact on the campus next door. Most of the manufacturing occurs for g._s._k. So although there are residential areas around here which i find to be an enticing part of the site because you've got brynn marr radnor and villanova very close but you also have conshohocken and some of these other areas so all prices of housing stock which makes it very attractive for the workforce here where we expect to have you know somewhere between three and five thousand employees we've got the twelve buildings here plus the cup plus. The buildings were putting in the backyard and that's the g._s._k. Campus that's discovery labs. We also have innovation at renaissance which is fourteen buildings across the street which are housed by very largely science companies including chop jefferson med risk amir source bergen. We're connecting those campuses to create one ecosystem and mm providing our amenities to both campuses so it just expands a footprint expanded traffic and also creates a more cohesive and exciting atmosphere for around here audrey greenburg who took us on the tour as chief financial officer of m._l._p. Ventures which is redeveloping the discovery labs and if you want more information about the discovery labs visit the discovery labs dot com. We'll be back in a minute. This is rabbi richard address. S. join us for our podcast series from jewish sacred aging titled seekers of meaning will explore some of the issues and events that impact ourselves our families. He's in our jewish world at large in light of the current revolution in eiji. The secrets of meaning podcast airs every friday morning at eight a._m. At jewish sacred aging dot dot com <music> today. You can't wait for the media to cover your company. Anthony you have to be the media. Take advantage of the power of audio and video. It's the best way to showcase your expertise to prospective customers. Let the luebeck lubeck in media companies handled the technical side. We're award winning audio and video producers. We can help you produce podcasts and video programs remotely or in our fully fully equipped studio in cherry hill visit being the media dot com for more information atlanta-based based startup hotelier co. Thanks it can make affordable hotel ownership a reality for small investors through crowdfunding not just for for accredited institutional investors hotel co. Began accepting investors in july under regulation a funding laws to bring investors early stage hotel development opportunities with a specific focus on boutique luxury lifestyle hotels and they started close to our stomping grounds in south jersey you down in the cape may area once an investor invests in a hotel co. Property he or she will own part of that hotel and gets a discount on stays as the property and of course any potential financial gains from that investment. Nathan kivy is the ceo of hotel co. Nathan thanks for joining us on the c._r._m. News hour tell us a little bit about hotel co. And what's different about this crowdfunding approach to people investing in hotels sure thanks thanks steve <hes> so until you co is a creation of fund management company and we're excited just to be able to do it in a way that uses regulation i plus crowd funding and what that means is any united states citizen over the age age of eighteen can actually participate in the ownership what's exciting about this is we're actually allowing access to hotel assets but that otherwise would have being <hes> just possible institutional money or high net worth individuals and so we're able to bring bring an asset class <hes> people to actually invest in and become part owners in something that we're hoping is exciting for them as it is for us. Now your materials indicate that people can start with an investment as little as twenty five hundred dollars. <hes> are there any particular qualification requirements that investors investors have to meet like in other <hes> crowdfunding or private placement situations with the private placement through regulation. I you can actually make the investment huddle as low as you like. So what we're actually doing is a post on is he's the kite my project and the reason was actually chosen a two and a half thousand dollar is because the mock it so typically we'll trade in peak season around six hundred dollars for an average night and we're actually trying to have some focus i mean this meant that the people that invest best <hes> also gang to be guests hotel <hes> so in the future we look to actually do some funds that a an easier entry point so even the two thousand five hundred and then the only requirement that we have in terms of the people investing is the unaccredited investment convince invest up to a ten percent of the annual salary or net worth so one of the requirements when people go swing this is like putting some information mation to do with their financial situation so that we know <hes> what the would be for their investment and one of the reasons that is <music> is ensuring that they're putting themselves in a position <hes> could cause financial stress to them. <hes> should invest in something that the form all active now the first property as you mentioned is a ewing hotel which is a boutique hotel scheduled to open in twenty twenty one in cape may or actually west cape may in the very southern tip of new jersey. What made you choose this particular property for the first investments and what are some of the things investors should be looking for show so the exciting thing about kite ni- is it. It was a property that the people that are in the land <hes> mocking any had already gone through the process to have it approved to build a hotel and you know development. That's one of the most difficult hacks so <hes> those are teak for that part of being done. They were also understanding. The standing of the process involved to do this through crowdfunding. <hes> because there's a timing issue is helping it takes to go through the s._e._c. Persons and one of the other things that decide lent itself to is an assemblage so the property actually sits on a block that has a number of other a residential and been breakfast style accommodations and it's all commercial so <hes> the potential in this one is to we do a large assemblage and build a big hotel asset so it's a pretty exciting project the town itself <hes> tighten height. My is a resort destination <hes> somewhat seasonal but it's an absolutely beautiful town so we're excited to be able to bring something to people that were hoping pays heritage to the historic nature of the site but also provide some testing class accommodation that area and we're very very familiar with cape. May it's not too far from our studios in cherry hill <hes> which is <hes> about an hour and a half north of cape. May i would guess <hes> tell tell us a little bit about the reason why hotels are different you you indicate that <hes> there's a different calculation about the return on an investment in hotels compared with other commercial real estate talk a little bit about that so the reason high tells a different to other guess commercial properties is the fact that you return is not only based on the land and the asset but it's also based based on the business operations and the hotel <hes> the operation of the hotel so when you blend real estate with business operations we we actually believe he gives you so small areas that you can leverage the better returns and we're actually fortunate to partner with <hes> hotel management company denise velo who have very strong track record and then performance on other assets we have been involved in has been very successful so where we believe that they can bring that same sort of success to these asset so when you have an understanding of the real estate side had the landside location as well as the business operation it lends itself to a return that is not the in line with what a commercial cities and the other thing about a hotel is it's pressed daily so hotel rights can shift in real time with the market which also is something that is in the downturns hotels do get impacted faster than a commercial property however when the market is turning around or an upswing the benefits or you know the the improvement in the market is also felt a look quivering heights l. so it's a really good <hes> real estate play especially for people that have other real estate holdings to do this fully now the <hes> investor's <hes> who participate in this project will also in addition to potentially seeing capital gains on their investments will also get discounts if they wanna stay the hotel yes so what we're trying to encourages people to use the hotel that they upheld entering and and the way we do that is giving discounts to book directly to tell the great thing about that is the prophet of the hotel so is not diluted because of that <hes> discount because what would typically happen in america like cape may is p. Food get onto an online travel agent will search engine they book and typically those online travel agents can take anywhere from eighteen to twenty five percents for booking through that so having someone directly giving them the benefits of what would otherwise be asleep pay to another party goes directly back in the pocket of the best and that goes to stay there in hotel so we think it's a really interesting loyalty klay in a kind of loyalty platform that hasn't really been tested in the market before so we're very excited to be the first one to try something like that so assuming that <hes> it's met with a positive reaction from investors <hes>. Where do you see yourself. Taking the the fund the investment <hes> capability in the future so what we're actually looking at in the future is with talking to a boutique take lifestyle brand at the moment. We're hoping that early next year we launch a fund that specifically targets <hes> operating assets and <hes> an existing hotel. That's being converted to be take grant. We are also looking at bringing mean another fund that will be less style product towards the end of two thousand and twenty and then once the platform in the u._s. Is set up the hotel. Operating novello actually has a very strong presence in the united kingdom and stuff africa and they're just set up offices in and you buy in hong kong. I hope is that by two thousand twenty one. We start to look at an expansion globally and take this to the rest of the world. Do you have any plans for any other <hes> specific sites in the u._s. At this point we do have a couple of sites under contract but <hes> we have have signed confidentiality agreements. Hopefully something we can some exciting news that we can bring forward in the next two to three months. Nathan kitty is the c._e._o. Uh-huh of hotel liuqiu he joined us from his office in atlanta and you can get more information about hotel co. At hotel co dot com and and will include the link in the show notes at st broadcast news dot com. Thanks for being with us on the podcast pen. That'll wrap things up for this edition of the c._r._m. News hour you can send your comments suggestions story ideas s. two steve at st broadcast news dot com where you can leave an audio comment for us using the voicemail icon on the homepage at st broadcast kissed news dot com and we take this program in studio a at st broadcast news in cherry hill new jersey join us again for the next episode of the cr news <music> our next friday at eight a._m. Eastern time at st broadcast news dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. This is steve lou beckon. We'll see you out there on the net. Take good care.

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The LP Perspective: Beezer Clarkson and Chris Douvos

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The LP Perspective: Beezer Clarkson and Chris Douvos

"Everybody torbert cofounder partner village global network driven venture firms and this is richard stories podcast covering topics related to tech business with world leading experts hey everybody welcome to another episode of venture stories by village global here today joined by two very special guests beezer clarkson and chris dubose the money behind the money to people don't really need that much of an introduction has welcome to the podcast thanks for having us this is her first lp episodes i'm hoping i can set the tone fermented income first how do you describe the work that you do chris perhaps we could start where you sure well my name's chris davis an i run eighty investment vehicle called holy capitol most what we do is funded funds but we're also starting to see more and more direct investments particularly in deep tech beezer how describe you sure so i'm beezer clarkson with sapphire ventures end sapphire is eight two and a half billion investment firm that does two things both direct investments in gross stage company that's not the work that i do but that's the majority of the money on are pot from goes into and i mentioned side of the business that does investing in early stage center fence or i manages had the business that does he work all chris you mentioned you're starting to go direct a little bit talk more about that how that evolution progressing and what does that mean for you sure so so it's interesting because my investors were the ones who kind of pounded on me until we started doing direct investments because they were like you're here in silicon valley you kind of are bird dog an a you must be in the way of you know a lot of interesting companies and and i said yeah ashley yeah we do kind of share by a lot of things in a we have these great trusted really should cause part of the voodoo that i do is i like to put people in business right so i was the first investor in fresher on capitol hill to the friends and family fun back in two thousand six before i introduce josh to you know princeton and yell and northwestern notre dame virginia and others a more recently a person veteran data collective an you know with each one of these what i said you know today i doing a favor for you in sunday i'll ask for a favor in return and sure enough they suddenly become much older i'm ashley channeling my dad handling veto corleones so but anyhow so it's it's actually been awesome because being here in it for a long time a you know as as collapsing with one of my managers and so getting kind of being being up to speed i found myself in the way of of a lot of interesting stuff i will say though that there are mornings when i kind of you know kick myself because the very first real co investment opportunity that i was like hitched actively was a you know my dear friends at first round i and i were sitting around one day andy when liberals in the house and i sitting there had josh is like look you know we battle alexis parada if you wanna come you know we could do little or some some and then you just said but the valuation is six hundred million dollars and i'm like say it's preserve us who would pay six hundred million dollars value puts money values or whatever it was at the time i you know kind of guessing at that number is still in the hundreds of millions and billions of dollars i like i like that was you know in retrospect that was like yeah i didn't have a vehicle out of which should do it but you know with you know kind of twenty four months in hindsight as like why we gotta start doing this and we've been lucky defined early in some some pretty interesting things so yeah zooming back out a little bit why do funds the funds even exist in the first place could first round not have gotten to those endowments or maybe a little history and context for why why undefined survey unique role the market share so they're all you know a ton of reasons why people might see gotta find the funds but most notably if you look at it you know venture is either about access or about audacity in so there are some people for him and there's some people who have you know some fundamental have incredible access great kind of roster of brand names an those institutions that might you know bob's colleges knowledge and service a station graduate school you know they might not have access to x y z fun but they want access to to venture so they go through fun and they they pay extra layer fees for that at access i find myself and he audacity bucket right which is i'm basically doing this shit the ear investment committee won't let you do right so first round capitol in two thousand seven was a non obvious that data collective in twenty eleven is a non obvious that some of the stuff i've done more recently like how fund at berkeley or fourteen at mit t m u those were not obvious bets i'm super excited about and they might work out they might not but it's hard for those guys especially at the fun size you're there deploying for others to a larger institutions access them in any kind of meaningful way a and so we can also by the way than a help them spread around the risk by investing in a bucket of these risky manager's so they don't have to speak rifle shots i wanna underscore something that chris was saying it's i don't have great data on this because it's not collect it anywhere when couldn't really find given olive e m confidentiality agreements that could find out who invest in who but when you go through and you look at the newer managers you typically see family offices and fund the fund putting them in business so a bit of a chicken and egg but part of the reasons why these vehicles exist is because people need them to exist without them a lot of emerging managers would not happen because there is just really hard for some of these larger platforms with larger checks established managers they continue to be backing sufficient number of the new managers come to market and there is no fifty eight eighty new manager's every year coming to market and most of them are seven hundred million probably significant percentage that fifty million in that just isn't gonna work if you after right a fifty million dollar check right you know and it's been great has a couple of my investors have basically used are fund is tuition right so so we do charge you know we have very reasonable economics and very well aligned economics which is more important but nonetheless it is an extra layer fees but people will will make that trade for education they get asset class sometimes we have several people who kind of come in we introduced in the manager's and then they go off and build their own program people say well hey city are gonna put yourself out of business and i'm like well you know what if i plug demand the people in those people have been successful then my returns will be great which you know keep me in in business out of the challenge of the fund of funds and this is something that's a little different caesar's world the challenge of the fund of funds is that you're constantly refreshing you're l p base you know not necessarily with every funnier we've had great kind of persistence but often you have kind of people coming and going and so there's a lot of optionality investor level it is interesting though you know king of something beezer said that fund the fund and in family office put a lot of merging manager's in business and look i was at princeton down for a while and it is the rumors are true we did actually shit chocolate ice cream in fart rainbows guy i mean it was we could get access to a lot of things because we had the big pr chest in so these guys have it yeah there's a little bit of a conceit not in a negative value neutralize the conceit you can get into things and funds funds three four five although i think that people bull overestimate their ability to do so i think that's reserved for the you know the u s news and world report kind of top twenty five and be on that you know by the time you can get indus by the time it's obvious enough for somebody to get a really excited because cause a most people look at performance and performance is a lagging indicator not leading indicator you know by the time it's obvious the funds either too late or you know long in the tooth enough that the gp's have called in rich yeah so if you look at b venture landscape you have you know from a very different approach is different you know these these different eat those look at you know from like issues horowitz verse from like founders fibers from like benchmark very different indie fund the world's or their lp's differentiating on approach or thesis east coast in a way that creates a good conversation for for for venture it's interesting question i don't know if lp's think about different they're probably ways a different piece giving who they are think about what they invest in but that's much i think that it has probably smaller levels of change between whether you're an endowment or a foundation or an asset manager i mean i i do think there is some opportunities you can take advantage of when you are looking to be first in verses if you're i income income in eight or ten years later but i don't think i don't know if they really are radically different people are investing to make strong financial returns and that's gonna be the lens that kind of coal lessons to a point where i i have a question 'cause you're so much fry like literally wanna be a sponge from information beezer 'cause 'cause you are like you know at the top of your game do you have like a little i have my own little watchword which which i'll share but like what what is the prism through which you look at managers like i would be very curious like when you wake up in the morning you say i'm looking for this type of footprint i have the catchphrase how do i say it all the time it's super during a why you oh interesting because we find out about ourselves because there's obviously why do people pick us and why are we in this business but it's the lens it helps us and say what are you doing as an investor what why are you here why is it you why is it you're team why is it this opportunity set of entrepreneurs while they pick you why will you make money except allows you to sort of go do the levels of team market opportunity portfolio construction and we have a belief that if you are investing in something that's authentic to who who you are and what you're going after good things follow it just it's just a natural you'll be differentiated in a way that is super super hard to compete west and all of that kind of gets bubbled up into the why you were underrated overrated answers to that question you know ashley hearty answer then people think because is that there's some great quote that i can't remember but i'm gonna stall and then you will remember about self reflection by like plato where somebody unexplored life means nothing whatever it is yeah christmas my be examined life simulate yes yes so usually christmas litter turned out in order knowledge expert malign him for the latin phrase are sound engineer the deepest while actually's not an insignificant question that's right and so i think it's harder for people the answer then they think and i will posit that for a lot of people and this is definitely an answer and lp would give the thinking about the fundraising is not the primary thing that most feces think about because they're thinking about their deals which is a logical and his exactly in many cases what should be happening but then the time isn't taking the think of how do i then explain why us to somebody who doesn't have to choose a i i'll start by saying this be there is a lot nicer than i am right like she's actually a better human being which is why she could ask this question you why you and i believe that she asks it with full inquiry in increase the advocacy scale it's it's all in cray i come from crankier place in my my kind of angle is like this is ashley my presence give me a robust nonconformist with the courage of their convictions long catchphrase it's along i might not remember all that and i think about the people i've back in its some days i think my portfolio is a little bit of like land of misfit toys because i over index on really a robust nonconformist who by their very nature kind of have like sharp edge is an inner are quirky in ways that maybe don't make them ideal for the cocktail party circuit but get them real residents entrepreneurs beezer knows exactly who i'm talking about so i won't use his name but there's one guy that a the we both invested in an i once went to say and i'm gonna totally give it away by saying that i went to like a data scientist meeting and literally like i walk walk in and the you're the first guy is like he looks like hog read from harry potter and he's wearing like a slayer t shirt and iron maiden t shirt and has like two phd is one from you know cmu any other from cambridge in philosophy right like yeah this guy is like you know a savant an you start talking about this guy in us's several years ago and he goes finally goes look he's not gonna work you're kind of people he's like you're money people money people won't understand them but what are people he's part of the trump has like oh he's part of the tribe boom this is my guy in so so literally that was the moment when the lights like what do you mean that you know none of it is that you can't fake that kind of authenticity it it's just you just can't it comes in all these different forms like you could argue that kitchen green at four runner maybe has data scientists slayer t shirts on it who knows but like she's got that same and the team has that same sort of linear idea of like here's what we do here's what we think any entrepreneurs flock to it right jason lumpkin sastre like they're these people that are just so notable in how they how they move around beezer do you believe in love at first sight like with a manager he asked that question the prologue i've known beezer but do you get love at first sight is built i think we've experienced both yeah there's definitely times there's immediate connection and you're like oh this just lambs yeah that's true and there's other times when the more you go back and you're like oh this is like you you leave the meeting that was interesting and i'm sure this is the exact correlation between vc's and entrepreneurs and a week later you're still like that that's really interesting question right and so we were looking at new york metropolitan area and we had a question around technology and how deep is attack and we kept running around it and running around it and run around and i loved about this because that's when we ended up violating are rules around not doing smaller fund and we did notation did i just couldn't kick the question that they were trying to go out out of our heads end and it and it just it just landed right move quickly like when we first met them but it was something about their thesis that we thought was just a disease is what they'll be the company's new york and the villa boxer so following the trend line around the technologist leaving spinning out of existing companies and ecosystem and doing companies based on a real technology backbone and it could be any kind of company that wasn't predetermine like what it would look like but the system had started but that and that's what they're looking for and we had the same question are minds of has a new york ecosystem reached that state now 'cause i started my career in two thousand in dc slash incubator in new york in the meatpacking district right at all just leveled after the big downturn and so how deeply ecosystem had it rebuilt with a question that we are really hopeful the answer would be yes but didn't know and again like the surf questions keep coming up in your mind so versus somebody other funds with matt collectively the crest we've we've worked together and occasionally every now and again you know it's funny i asked the question because i actually i'm a little bit of a love at first sight kind of guy i think most is like when i met josh koppelman at the conshohocken mary out outside of philly for the first time in two thousand five or six literally walking out of that meeting i john we were in the lobby and i said josh if you didn't exist i'd have to invent you and then he's a defensive you didn't exist at after the venue and i felt like so romantic than i thought about are friend wis a with the the data scientists say you know that was kind of love at first sight but as i as i thought about it as you're answering the question thoughtfully you know sometimes these gp's like get under your skin they wear a unique like don't wanna love him and then all of a sudden you're like yeah there might be something there and then you know that's actually i just telling a story is hell story but like actually i stumbled into like the the the take away from that is a great mentor of mine when i drink public markets stuff for business school said a great analyst has no ego and you know it's funny a lot of people invest his ego and i felt like you know myself when i had the change my mind you really have to talk you you go away and that's a that's a real you know it's it's a real challenge an and i think you know as a result you have to invest of humility an unwritten really it's like a in a sense of labor of love you to invest with love and vulnerability and all that stuff and that's hard strong convictions weekly held yeah it's not supposed to be speaking of a of humility you know we talked about you know first round we talk about data collective the bash brothers you guys have hit you know from the beginning put people in business what is the ones but what something you've you've messed that you miss right a signal or you just you don't you know going back to said oh i wish if i saw this obviously even hindsight's twenty twenty but tell a story of something amiss so are platform as seven years old which in some respects it's wonderful because it allowed surrey image some things that we think about and if you don't start fresh and kind of we create yourself in a way that's very flexible and and we've really tried to use it to be in service to are gp's but it means you just weren't around forty years ago right so what's harder is and you wanna look back in time to seven years there's actually just said if we invest in a fun in two thousand twelve most of them start be the data starts coming insufficiently between six and eight so we looked at two thousand twelve and be like oh what happened in that vintage but before then it's it's harder for us the answer that but there's tons like first round right or benchmark that that ship is the lp's are in it that is an awesome ship to be in right but it's much harder for someone who's not part of that initial crew there's lots of activities like that and you know our goal is to to make sure we catch them for the future so that were there but going backwards i could list a long list of names if he sees where occasionally if you build a relationship and hang around the hoop affectively you can get in because to chris's earlier comment there they're almost always are chefs and they'll be base for for a whole host of reasons that if gp's wanna hear about why it's actually not gonna be the same way today is is twenty years from now her happy to talk about and we've been fortunate to sometimes take that advantage and to work with somebody may i new the us but not new to the world but generally speaking it's tougher 'cause there's it's just the performance data in seven years is really brief you know it's funny as part of the group said no to the xl at princeton new you're gonna show this i mean this actually's mystery man talks action or have any regrets about it we said no the aca valerie anyway well i mean oh not that i'm not gonna tell that story then i got to test and we said no yet in that became the face looks on site i said no twice race to the you know one of the best funds of the decade and it's funny 'cause that's playing golf a few years later once it became obvious with a guy who's a modest top of the midas let's kinda guy who i won't name andy he said as i did what did i miss you miss absolutely nothing you did exactly what a well trained institutional investor would do given the data you had at the time right in and those around reenact sellers now axelle but at the time you know kind of two thousand three two thousand four i'd a lot of friends who had like this shit moment where they were like begging begging begging the get in and then you know everybody who's bailing out say the chance you get in and then they got the the books with the they're like oh shit and so you know fended last and and you know i mean there's there's a lot going on but they they turn around and this this becomes from me like you know the secret six years yes i once asked the yellow guys what what their secrets success in in venture is an tim sullivan who were in primary there for a long time a really great dude said a we get off the bus one stop too early rather one stop to late now is always my philosophy and then boom get kicked in has by excel so but i'll tell you whatever that was that was what it was i don't have any regrets about that the one i do have regrets over steve anderson and it was two thousand eight and he's spending baseline out and i spent and it was really nice because i've done a lot of things in the ecosystem by then ident first round in a tv and an a floodgate and a bunch of others by then a and i went and met with steve i see that she reached out 'cause 'cause he'd gotten a few calls recommending you had this great meeting total meeting of minds he's such an amazing guy such a smart guy and i went back to my investment committee and i said yeah i'd like to do baseline an there's a guy who shall remain on name on the committee very good public market investor who's the damage cia oh he goes devos i think what you're doing with these seed funds is a triumph of hope over experience he's like i don't you know i don't believe it i just don't believe it anymore like i've had enough and he was like what you could do it but this is like a you know a career risk kind of move hand it kinda like fuck took my world view a little bit 'cause i was like wait what i like i'm like here to invest without the fear of being wrong alone 'cause if you're afraid of being wrong on you'll never be writing alone in that like see the doubt you know kind of when my head and then i kinda slow roll steve and then end up saying now and i don't think you know i i don't think he's ever looked at me the same way again which is really too bad because alad steve's standing investor upstanding guy in has had amazing success in that's the one that got away well and you're question is something we think about a lot today because ironically there's not as many funds in the market now is there were back when i started in two thousand there were over six hundred funds in the market and about i some of the number down here somewhere about a call it seventeen percent of that were first time fun so there is a huge number of potential investable funds back then so now we only had like a little over two hundred every year now gets done many more first time funds as a percentage but still we'll give any avalanche of opportunity that's coming at it by all these folks were starting new funds end or i'm sure the right word is if we the remaking of many funds as people moving between existing platforms looking like mbh free agency a little bag writer and you're like how is who's the next anderson how're you gonna know because you could spend all day long just meeting west these seven hundred micro funds that are out there and that doesn't even touch these series eight series be seriously portion of the market and so that the giving inbounded the velocity of movement right now in the market makes you really wonder what's what is gonna get messed or not no time a like a decade from now we can look back and no but it's something we think about a lot is how do we actually managing the ecosystem instill spend are existing manager and show up well so i should double clicking on that mentor of mine a who's public markets guy goes well you know what do you do when you're you know by then i was at princeton and doing you know a fund the fund strumming in a diamond is basically a fun tons of client and he's like so what do you do right when you're picking funds what do you do and i go well look i'm trying to strip out skill from luck right hand i've thought about that and then i see the number of goofballs who did the one deal like the number of clowns veteran company x or y who were has given birth to a lot of fun i who's gonna say hoover but i one point i don't wanna let anyone but like there's a lot right there's any funded any any company that's hadn't extraordinarily high up ramp in tv p i even better if it's dp i but yeah well just keep waiting on that one right and there's probably be what fifty investors a hundred investors even more angels so you just like be the network network effect but it's not really network effect it's like the off ramp of everybody is just in mesa well and you know the people ask me i've been doing this for eighteen years now and people ask me what is changed you know what has changed since city are cast aside money that's an you know the thing that's changed for me is is the proliferation liberation of angel activity in so anybody can you write fifty checks and all you're trying to catch lightning in a bottle once and then that's credibility enough to find some quasar institutional pools capital to give you money it seems right and this this actually suggests to me and by the way you i call it delivered on capitol right there just a ton of people who have yo there they've entrepreneurial experience and they're you know you know founder friendly and all these things and they've got their you know angels portfolio an you know the garden you know do one great deal and they think they can go out and reasons to capitol not understanding that being an investor is a trade craft unto itself and so i feel like the sophistication level there's a great entrepreneurial energy that's that'd be upside the entrepreneurial energy in the funds business is way up and i think that's a very positive thing but these sophistication is way any amount of time i personally span lecturing people berating people haranguing people about portfolio construction issues is remarkable and by the way you know you're always so smart and johnny on the spot with a data how many new funds closed i haven't even gone last year how many fund or raise last year not pull a lesser number but it definitely not that different from this year so where is this pitchbook number yeah about two hundred and thirty two this year and i put my laptop and give you lost his number i just did have a certain down on but it wasn't that much more than last year 'cause we've been it's been pretty solidly over two hundred for the last two years i guess it's kind of at a good steady state but so here's a question right like they're a lot of institutional peas who defined victory is being top core tile i call this tyranny of the relativist right like you can be a winner and be tucker when they're two hundred funds the fiftieth fund is top core tile i think the fiftieth fund is gonna struggle to you know even you forget matched the s and p five hundred might even struggled to to return capitol in a distributed you know vpi basis right i think that's a big challenge i i i'll get on my soapbox like what you said about the entrepreneur activity in ventura because we've been thinking through about innovations in venture and then some levels industry like being the nature of venture capitalism like as a venture capitalist is a job and l he has a job secondary that is is actually hugely on changed right good at math you put money in you get money back like it just boundary because it unless we get a theoretical math pretty restrictive but when you think about how funds have changed changed over time and trying to differentiate mb customer in this bull market where there is no shortage of capitol right like we might not be as they could always be more but there is it's a great time to be an entrepreneur there's just a ton of money there right and how do you differentiate so so funds like village global are doing interesting things first round it was super different and change the industry injury some probably not the first people to think through doing value added services but like god did sandhill road react when they showed up right that was like big bertha something it happened and you see like thesis coming up and pieces you see all these ways of saying like how do we actually stand out in the field where money is just yes money as softbank vision fund show if you have enough of it i guess it's a differentiator but unless you're a hundred billion dollar her category the rest of us mere mortals it is it's by definition fungible so you have to do something besides that pick you're pick your poison and that sort of interesting 'cause it has sort of poke people entity thinking through like the why you and what he's gonna do and i think it's probably a net benefit entrepreneur or maybe it's confusing and there's annoys the venture capitalists but having more people trying to be better at their job sounds like an ecosystem benefit if there's i think there's a i put in three different buckets of how firms differentiated into one is what you invest in as christian green informant you know picking a theme in owning that theme to is where what specific pool you invest in so it's house fun in berkeley earth notation and a in nick charles and alex in new york or it's how you operate is maybe in terms of how you add valued entrepreneurs which is you know in a general capacity or how you source companies a village with mahler injuries in the first round at cetera so with that in context which of those cinematic geography based or sort of platformer novel approach are you most excited about in raleigh how do you guys think about emerging manager's heavy brush it generally well we are guilty of like any geek out over the data and they can tell you that we haven't found an easy answer saying do acts and money will ring on your head but we'd like to find that out so i don't think we're super super prescriptive did as far as it should be x y and z but we do look at the totality if you're trying to approach a certain market like so we've been longtime fans of union square like one of the originator of jesus putin were the first ones to thesis based investing but they certainly have done a really bad ass job of but right but is it into the mix of space investor gonna be amazing hopefully but no there's no guarantee you can't pick a model and just say my model is gonna have a top down saying hey we're looking for vancouver base runner were looking for a mill you know rumors what would say is if you are in a certain area and that could be geography in some situations what's going on in that market and how do you play against it and then sometimes have done things so we do usa europe in israel where we've made that's on funds and other geography is that we wouldn't necessarily have made in the bay area because there's advantages to being there with a plate and so it's like we were pretty straight down the road series they invested in the majority of the time in the bay area and loving u s but in europe we've done some seed funds and the vendors are putting a fair bit of capital into because of lafayette fundraising is also faster we think it's a competitive advantage in europe and giving what they're playing at and what they're doing and as a place of the market that we had a strong thesis the surrounding but would that have played the same if they're in the bay area who knows right you know my favorite latin phrase is it'd be pani cd pottery where there is bred there's my country than the person who 'cause pizza reference exactly i i've got a gluten problem i'm on the high gluten diet anyhow this is actually like i think about very often think about where am i wrong band i have had first a one eighty and now maybe a second one eighty to make a full circle back when i started saying we shall not see sort of exploration dumpster having a literary well you know by the way speaking geography you know part of the reason i love california is a red walt whitman song of the redwood tree a when i was in high school and he said you know in california i see the genius of the modern the child of the real any ideal and i think that's like the essence of what do it right in in you know you whitman says i see populace cities and the latest inventions what as eighteen fifty dude housing rating disability and also great stories based out here any a whole movement out west right is not awesome lp's literature that top tier podcast see as a as a history major so you know these guys like you know all these like cs guys from stanford like they're a lot smarter than me but but i have good cocktail party conversation so i was early in my career very excited about alternate ecosystems keeping my as a one oh two on at princeton we did ignition up in seattle a bio for as a big investment drone up in seattle had looked to a whole bunch of other places and a done some investments in in had a second tier geography is in those investments the ones i mentioned if have been fine of worked out fine but the ecosystem is a whole haven't developed and i think about seattle in particular which i get his final the drone you guys have done really well as that'd be mission guys but it hasn't flourish the way i thought i would it would flourishes a startup ecosystem necessarily maybe it is starting to now but it's i think because the essence of silicon valley is is you know a legacy of failure right like you have all these be asper as often firm failed companies right that actually creates this kind of dynamism is people whereas people get stuck at amazon is a great place to be but there's not a lot of flow in and out of amazon for a while the the the most engineers per capita ler over in boise a because i think micron those up there but there's no big ecosystem in boise 'cause everybody went to micron and stay there forever right now hp at a big office there when i worked at hp boys who is where the printers where i said is that right and so i really got excited about some his alter ego systems in in in one day house talking you know excitedly to i felt like you know in my memory i'm like a little boy in shorts wearing like a little cap with a propeller on it you know talking to a dad who is david swinson a yell and a sense of mr since i've got this great idea alternate geography is any just you know he's like all of us why do you think that hand a here we go again as he goes what do you think that like oh well you know a there's you're kind of lower costs of talent oh you this great talent just start with great technology is lower cost you know less competitive intensity you know i i ran through this this whole thing and i said you know in seattle it costs you know fifty eight percent a would have does a you know the bay area they got a company the first revenue whatever whatever static throughout and he goes dubose you're playing a value hand in the gross game and again that like gobsmacked me man i was like whoa maybe maybe i need to be more momentum oriented end and and that kind of change i changed my perspective and then the a lot of the funds that are you know is tracking ended up being like really kind of unfulfilling there a lot of great people around the country you do good work but there's no there's not as much you kind of stupid headspinning optionality this captured and i created a thesis round why that is an for like seven or eight years that was thesis and then you see like you know a lot of hoops using the geographic arbitrage tries like finding companies offering bringing them to the bay area to kind of blitz scale here and the whole blitz scaling lillian hoffman like you know those guys kind of changed my world view and more recently i'm just like wow it's so frigging expensive here tonight only start a company but to retain people look you know somebody the other day said to me like the unemployment rate in the bay area for engineers is negative like you could actually isn't engineer hold two jobs and nobody will dare say anything to you for fear that you'll leave in so it's like crazy and the you know and that gets that is not true and yelled world so anyhow i started to like rethink my a my berry bay area centrism around around 'em a clusters of excellent so where is it that there is you know kind of a particular cluster of critical mass of technology in a certain vertical a year that could be interesting you know is there hey you know people talk about whatever it is i sixty five cluster right like with with you know kind of healthcare in some stuff going on there you know is there a you know what's going on in austin what had ordered his particular attributes that that's you know where i'm kinda underweight now it's interesting because we believe and i don't think there's i think everything in my life reinforces the term of one is that innovation knows no boundaries right so the fact that the world is more transparent and you can see things and the whole cost of doing you could create so much more on your owning your backyard all of that would increase the likelihood of great companies starting really absolutely anywhere but there is something about the health the health but the layers and ecosystem that are necessary to build a company and who the managers are gonna come in at different stages and what she experience that and that seems to be a member of a read a book by i wish i could remember the professors named as chris would remember a few is me but it was called setting the table and it went through all these things sound super boring like regulation and tax and all the stuff needs to be true for people to switch jobs and jobs at once like all of a sudden these other ecosystem ws state by state in other countries like just turn the dial 'cause people say to me don't we need to help promote bringing venture twin ecosystem i'm like yeah yeah let people make money right now any legal ways like you know do all the right things but like people will find opportunities and maybe they move them maybe they don't but if you facilitate business creation in de creation if you allow people to fail 'cause a lot of countries are much more they really punish you if you go bankrupt and he was is somewhat unique in this respect and that's part of why were more fertile place to start and stop businesses so this fluidity of a particularly people but you know kind of economic fluidity as as you said it's kind of unique to the united states but what has caused me it'd be like historically so california focus is the california supreme court has been over and over and over you know steadfast that any kind of non compete restraint of trade right is is is a you know an might not feel about carried interest don't get me started by a i i bet kate interest is gonna get taxed before i ever see a dollar so out there but at the v you know kind of a non enforceability of non competes is a is a real you know kind of a competitive advantage i think for california particularly and then you talked about kind of cultural stuff which is why is always so cynical about new york because new york felt like a bonus culture whereas california was felt like an equity culture but you know thinking like what's changed my own kind of view like why why am i more optimistic and it's there's just so much more information right like if you think about venturing eighties is a dark art right like you know reid dennis and you know these guys on you know burden version all these guys on sandhill road would like more ha ha you know they've got this you'll bubble bubble toil and trouble right it was like this this cauldron that they had and now you listen to podcasts like this in you you brad cells in amazing job like a you know josh complement any early days yeah we could go and now everybody's you know blogging in podcasting and there's just so much information out there that a but i think it's really flat in the world well the one thing that i don't know when it's gonna tips officially the changed ecosystem but i worry about a lot of things and just add this to the left is you're talking about the bonus culture vs equity pretty culture and as companies stay private longer and layer layer the value of people's options at what point are we gonna flip and then people will be basically salary in bonus the same way i was back in the old days at age pay right which is totally fine and tradition the way it was and i even had a pension being accumulated and like all the goods that's not the start of industry in the venture industry had did their math based on the map changes at the somewhere in the middle but not the top of the bottom line is that gonna be a real challenge and all that's being triggered by this you never have to really accident or if the folks that are accepting arrests in layer and or maybe it's going down sufficiently down the stack and that's gonna keep things healthy but i think were watching those dynamics i think it really makes a difference for it and or employee and a start up that may i may not be getting a deal they thought they were and i i worry about her industry i worry about that because if people don't wanna work at startups that's the biggest problem it's i don't worry about venture capitalists i don't worry about all tees like that then it's people in the companies that are gonna be the the where the focus should be it's i've had a couple of friends recently asked me about joining certain startups and i tell you gotta get a sense of the cap table in the preference that 'cause if you're gonna come in with an option package you need to know where you are in that line and i think you're exactly right like there's this magic right that the people think they they think about this this in fact i would say you know in the venture industry in the start in the start up world we use a lottery slogans of ivy league veneer so you know optionality the same thing as hey you gotta be in it to win it in so hey you never know right like is is the same thing as asymmetrical eight outcome you know we've got this whole you know it all takes his a dollar and a dream and maybe you know maybe some some preferred shares anyhow so a i i do i that's that's a big huge worry in my few questions one is how do you guys think about dependability with adventure adventure as they they've all do they actually build real possibility the only brand is something else i think i feel different ways on the different days to be the brutal honesty sometimes you look at some the permanent and they are part of the preservation of most permanence of brand is amazing is right and kerry farms through some tough times in cement that's great and sometimes people will come and say something like have you caught up on the news lately like not not entirely sure that firm stands for what it stood for before that about kleiner island in also gonna ask about firm reinvention you mentioned earlier when excel when fended life excel ideas about qena from connor whether that be at the same place but they were can they rebuild how do you look firms that have lost their way but people have left and now it's just a changing of the guard kaiser my favorite christie versus quote my crystal ball is in the shop i mean i mean the amazing thing about venture is like and that's why it's so in constantly tree is it is constantly changing and you i mean unless there's some there's some things go so horribly wrong and this isn't necessarily come at any particular from and you're like oh that's gonna be tougher right 'cause they haven't had a historical performance they don't have be installed base about peas teas and we can talk about how in leverage is that how do we thought about putting up he's into you're firms such that you increasingly odds of having them coming back this'll be like okay this is clearly time the they're gonna have a hard time raising but other times like you know give the example that facebook is great one company can change the stars for the next twenty five years and if we could call a company that was we have all sorts of other opportunities what's your take on that now but i still you're quote no you you you stole it and made it better maybe her own i love it i think that one of the truisms in finance is these assets presley elevator button at the end of the day and walk out the door end it amazes mazes me that firms like benchmark actually have been able to save the top of their game where they rotating you know group of people and i think in that case right there is some cultural elements and the way structure themselves in the you know the way they you know they create themselves were there other firms where the founding partners called and rich and the next generation sucks right and so it really is idiosyncratic which i think is why beezer and i on a daily basis says you know earner pay because staying on top of you know these are people businesses and understanding these folks in their behavioral footprints in there you know kind of change over time in a very intimate way is is kind of key to the new do the we do i am always puzzled when people start their evaluation of the fund was tracker because by the time something becomes apparent the people people that did it you know wearing a very different place in their live you know had a different behavioral footprints potentially you know what is it they say like every seven years you're you're body is entirely different on cellular basis there no cells earlier break you obviously you as as the romans newman semper ask the spirit is always there damn more line vicky something part it's so amazing is still the there is there is a great place to go to learn i mean the these podcasts things are wonderful but when people say like i you meet entrepreneurs who sort of life before facebook didn't really exist and yet there is a long history there and sort of maybe a relevant but sometimes talk about companies that affirmed did you're like well that actually's and the people that are there or somebody new is comment it's changing the dynamic of the firm in a positive way are negative way like it depends but they the ability to do homework on this is really limited because everyone only knows certain range of people and if you wanna be entrepreneurs it could be a firm changes it stripes it and what they invested and that could be great news not great news and they might attract a whole different kind of entrepreneurs of the folks over there and it's it's so interesting mishmash of that i'm with chris only it's it really isn't that is maybe the super high level there are some firms like sequoia benchmark that's even have amazing management of succession over the generations but i would posit there is i would be surprised if there is a baker's dozen of funds the magic session at by am i say that even though track record is a leg indicator ed had multiple three acts net funds through different people making those decisions 'cause it is probably the hardest thing to do and venture have you seen from those at the top of their game and then dropped out of and maybe maybe it's you know further coffee great mayfield or august china do something then get back into the top or it's is it pretty hard to do that wasn't interesting question it is really hard succession is extraordinarily difficult for huge huge number of human reasons and also i i really wanna get a phd in organizational behavior some of their own where this comes from i actually think that venture firms there's no reason why a lot of the good business books at applied companies that make widgets don't apply venture yet i think most people think about their job is to invest capitol not and building a firm and that's that might work at a site a certain size but when you have twentyfive fifty people in an entity and you wanna be a lot around for forty years we believe that it matters and if people are focusing on that it's gonna they could by virtue of investing in hoover make a ton of money and it's a relevant 'cause wants money starts raining down nobody care the details go away right it's a great absolve or of did you actually show and treat employees well which is also part of dynamic aventure which makes it really hard but it directly aren't that many amazing companies it then come back into a refund if there were there'll be a lot higher the top core tile would actually much bigger numbers and like what is it two two point one one point seven right it's indicative of it's not it's not really there in the industry so therefore how you get super hard but the date against this but i we have a belief that how you manager firmed when you got these sort of mold more bodies and just a couple in succession successive fun really does matter and it's gonna help you write it doesn't just matter and some weenie way but like an eight ono like you get better returns if this is true and you'll opie stick with who joined the tough times 'cause there can be like nobody had a great return in two thousand and two in two thousand three it was is that right like you just like it's just bad news but who's gonna stick with you is also part of their relationship was actually a great point v management of venture firms is so unsophisticated in either the the the thing that somebody said to me once when i was very early actually's same collella a who's at verson longtime ibp guy that everson sam said you know a lot of great venture firms are managed like basketball teams but a lot of the majority of firms act like tennis teams where everybody's playing their own match in so v dynamics associated with that are very different terms of you know kind of partners confusion in or out as opposed to a bunch of different items in what is amazing is up he's actually have a lot more visibility because by the way as he's one of the things in her job descriptions we have to be really good gossips in so we jabber about gp's all day long i mean we know about all yours shenanigans guys what surprises me is how quickly lp's are willing to abandon firms when performances bad and the people are nasty an arrogant so there's a from right now that's raising an i was talking to a a decent size investment firm and they said they're they're gonna pass and i said what's going on because of the performances so so but we really hate dealing with the sons of bitches hand like wow that's actually like that's hard core is that's hardcore unlike language that's like nightly oh that's like but in a world right now were you know one group i talked to the l p a and institutional investor is that a soon damage type investor their nineteen percent in avian venture and they're targeting seven right in all of a sudden when you're like at that level you can actually start to care about if gp's treat you like shit now i don't have any ego about it like i don't care if you know you know if doug liotta comes over and sticks in my i'd still say pizza my time square swell guy but a but i could you know imagine you're the whole long line of people exactly but i think you know if you treat lp's like that how do you treat entrepreneurs right there is like there is like a you know a a level of humanity that you know that that is court at this business right understand people's behavior footprints is kind what we do and a when people are you know really arrogant really dismissive not thoughtful about their business and just you know kind of you know him a cancer gray lock a one of the greatest investors a of his era said he wants he goes devos when capital becomes cheap a in time is expensive lookout used venture works really well when time is cheap and capitals expensive and so a is and when you have the reverse you know look out and i feel like time has gotten really expensive and i think that you know as as a as the tigers at will actually see who's swimming naked right is there too much money and that's a class or how should we think about anthony or if you're an entrepreneur no bring it on river from her perspective how should we think about it isn't interesting balancing act i don't think there is i don't know how you drop the hammer of like oh there's only so many good ideas and they only need this much money so it's servant unknowable but it does feel like what's happening happening is with the money all going at the growth rounds we actually have this conversation this morning which is everybody looks at the same pitchbook numbers crunch base pick your data source and the the majority of the money that's going into venture and this is you estimates in europe probably true in israel haven't seen the numbers yet is going at the later around and there's fewer see deals and there's fewer series day so maybe if you're trying to get seed money it's not as great as time i do find is confusing 'cause he had always new fund starting they tend to be small so i haven't yet square that but it did make us think this morning like this could be a really good time to be a series they invest or like a like a leader seed 'cause everyone's trying to write their fifty million dollar check into this growth round and there's fewer companies coming out or like i mean yes this is self serving we've invested the series i but we do try to keep stress testing sting it and saying like are we in the right portion of stack which is a long winded way of saying in some respects there's never enough money and there's other times where as a human and as they geek a phd ob behavior if you dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into a system that doesn't how to handle it because they haven't been asked they handle it don't be surprised if things break we haven't even gotten the crypto yet in her like if you handed us like any human here is like a hundred times the money you're budget calls for good luck like as an organizational process standpoint like it just that yes extrordinary people will figure it out but for a lot of just humans doing human things that's just the companies could be less successful one could argue then if they actually had him they need it right that's my play dancer now christmas gonna stay that way more cranky i think you know i i just go back to buffets equation which is a opportunity eagles value mind his perception right and what's happened is you know we've gotten to the point where you can shine such spotlight's on companies at the perception really blows out the values you know not you know doesn't grow a necessarily is quickly as a result the the opportunity shrinks right and the problem is that it works in a closed system like venture but at some point we gotta put moulay in the cooler right so we've gotta get these companies we gotta find the greater fool to buy this and it's either you know in may a transaction or in the public markets in have any public mark i know right crickets archer government comeback god don't get me started by my one editorial is 'em trump's wall is you know fourth century solution for twentyfirstcentury problem i hear his latest requisition fergie air force he's after a bunch of by planes same thing right like old fleet onto you're covered for there's multiple multiple lp's it i know who are saying well i have x y and z in my portfolio and now it's gonna go public and that will relieved ability to use money to distribute something else like i dunno children like the hospital like all sorts of stop plus reinvest back into venture and if this if none of the courage to like this could be this could be painful right on so many levels in so many ways but industry what's kind of counting on some liquidity coming through this is my you know kind of exit sinker yes analogy right like the we keep stuffing the snake and stuffing's making this the thinkers tight you know and we just the snakes just getting bigger and the you know the poop isn't coming out the back into fertilize the new feels right but but it lp nirvana is when you're you know recycling distributions it's a it's a circular an you know as we have disruptions enough in the flow of funds and especially now and you know everybody is so far out over the everybody who's got a mature program so fred over their skis because funds have been coming back faster and bigger in any of these have been ballooning and the money hasn't been coming out the back end in you know they will look back our listeners podcast again in five years and will you know then be able to judge whether this is just a passing phenomenon or a harbinger of of a more kind of sand in the gears of the you know the the system over start giving into the system will have to chef well that that's right but then there's like a bit more questions and we have time for 'cause they kind of it's like well why would you set up a system that uses a high velocity asset and you dividends 'cause that's what already exist in a sort of slower growth world so that the two don't seem align but sharpton my pencil the figure out how to make it work you know but back to the kind of is there too much money question i'm actually in a sense optimistic about it in the following way like there should be secondary exit transactions in the way that the buyout ecosystems segmented into micro cap buyouts small you know lower middle market and some of these companies get traded up the stack and maybe we start to see that we've seen you know private equity firm vista he had all the time which is great so some more capital in that way is great the thing i caution i tell my gp this all the time you know you gotta worry about the clientele effect and what i mean by that is who is coming in around in water you they return expectations and i don't think a lot of people are very thoughtful about that and i think they realize it when fidelity comes in around their return hurdle is a lot lower than yours mr scenes from mrs seed stage fund in as a result you that you need calibrate that every dollar demands a return but some people's dollars demand a larger trend in mind demand a really big yes maybe what is closed where's your work you'll be moving a what have you guys been been trying to do work and we expect it to go where do we want to go great question catelli origin story please so they origin stories i think that's probably the diner in play the creamery in palo alto 'cause you i've been known vilifying christian i there on occasion and we were talking about how people wanna know lp's after say apparently 'cause as chris said there's a lot of gossip to be had we think he probably slightly more but evidently any level of like be a pay city in the system is opening up entrepreneurism vc's thanks to all the blogging all that so chris said and they wanna give credit where credit's due we should have a hashtag so people could follow it on twitter and then we were dating around it and i had a team that could help me work on us and then we put together a website and you are out there could be an open l p and then we went through it to are friends or lp's at do blog do tweet and just collected so it's you could go to the website and it just is a collection of where people have put materials somewhere else on a lot of lp's are registered investment visors city scc cares how you talk and when you talk to you have to make it a compliant platform and then for those folks like chris the tweet a lot there's a hashtag and then people can follow it and so this is the mechanics but the idea really wants to increase transparency threw out the ecosystem because then again are perspective is e l p world is relevant point of intersection and it hadn't been super transparent and this doesn't mean violation of confidentiality agreements in sharing basic information of how does the whole three sixty of capitol slow so we just want to do that and industry in it seems pretty six have gone about and it's actually one of our two thousand nineteen question is what do we do next so i don't know what you wanna do podcast tv show that would be amazing i think he's spot on like transparency is is kim formulas like almost a little bit more commercial commercial a tournament for practical because the number of gp's the command in start pitching me undisturbed trump blasting away and have no idea you know what i want to hear about her what i need is amazing and either like rule number one when you're making a sale is like no you're customer incised pushing back on the sec is he came in and just start planning and i'm like you have no idea about you know what i'm interested in or whatever and he's like well how would i and i'm like well i blog right like in tweet so you could pick that up but you know but it's not about me it was about kind of you know broadening the perspective to ashley spur better conversations because we spent so much time you know kind of bullshitting in each other's directions without area say educating but okay data puts out a but notice really like we could spend a lotta time educating slash bullshitting about how she works because it's super hard like i had a friend today who is like i wanna talk to a family offices where do i go find out about them and i was like oh like not my forte but here's somebody who is in a family office who's happy to talk to you about the ecosystem and it's that's why open lp's they're the big question is do you create something that people can self published to that sort of open ended question 'cause they did get more and more people sharing there's a lot of good vc's that right like are basically basically lp perspectives or how do you x y and z and i pull all this stuff into that folks have a resource awesome beezer chris it's been a great episode thank you for coming on educating her audience if you for people who want more follow them on twitter reader blogs guys thank you so much for

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