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12. Libraries w/ Tim Harris

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12. Libraries w/ Tim Harris

"From this is what shall we do about with Samson abson. Hello and welcome to the show. Libraries have always been places that fascinate me public spices filled to the brim with books. In which you can borrow and read at no cost yourself. It's a sweet deal and since having kids are found a whole new love for the place. It's an endless source of picture books but but as I look around my local library I notice something. Libraries have become havens for Free Wifi and seven people reading books and listening to books download lighted from audible. There aren't hiring. So what shall we do about libraries ave under threat joining me to discuss this week. He's Popular Children's author and and experienced schoolteacher team Harris Children's author team Harris. Hello Good I sam. It's good to have you on the podcast but even more exciting that we are in your office and this is where you write your books. This is where the books happened. That's right underneath a house just off to the garage. The side of the garage is look at sometimes called a man Cave Sam. I'm sure you can tell by some of the things around the office that added easily. Beat lock that but it makes me feel good A. K.. I'm looking round. I'm saying some old vinyl records you gotTa Rickel play off today. That's it's right there there. It is and there's a very good reason for that Sam in that Listening to that the old music that I listened to as a like a kid and attain Niger As SORTA transports me back to that frame of mind of their simony possibilities in life and that's a great mindset to rot with their so many possibilities and also trying to be routing for kids trying to be his child lock as possible in the thoughts So hopefully connect with the raider. Yes Sir it's very purposeful and thus the you're not makes me feel good it makes me feel ready to writes a like that and then look over here and these all your books published on the shelves and they so beautiful and California powerful and did notice that they're probably the strongest ones on the show. That's because nobody reads then I just see so then I read them. Why why they? So what I've done Sam is I've I've put four of every book that I've ever had published including sort of translations and additions up there because whereabouts have both baby and say license. Thank you very excited so that the plan is that one day the kids will have a ah one of daddy's books one of every book that he's He's put out sites a bit of a it. Looks like it's my hold at the moment but it's actually there for the kids. I do like that and I must mention as well the Lego. There's a lot of Lego in these office. Helena theme into wrought books is playing with Lego Day. it's yeah. It's a big distracted on and it is so hard to be disciplined and get words. Donald Edits done when there's an open boxes and bags of Lego just sitting around but sometimes it's a reward. Say Mike Our I if I could knock at five hundred words this morning down going to do one bag bag number fourteen of the tree very Hassett. You are a big kid on you. Yep but I think that's a good thing right like if your kid's author you need to be in that route heads Bison and you've actually you started the project ivy here. which is lego topple towers? Which is your latest book series? Yes that's right and And that really. That was just totally for fun and off off started showing kids at schools when visit them often talk about the the writing process and we have a few jokes and series tips as well and then I said them glass last do WanNa see some lakes and and of course every hang up. Thanks to Lego masters and the impact of pop culture. Yes so the plan was well. I'm GonNa Build Awful Awful Towers the hotel setting of Of Molasses book out of Lego and You as she can say one floor is complete and they're still still two more floors to go and then the very difficult roofing and I swapped. There's a poster out there next to the the half finished set Lack of book shop. I don't think they called. Like a pop stand there's a pop-up standard toppled house. And that's that's my model to guarded on Year but the roof because the popout roof there that is quite difficult. There's a little triangles and you know trying to make triangles out of square. Blocks is tricky at. Tom's wow how many books have you written now. So so we're up to in Australia. We're up to a non have been published and next year. They'll be they'll be two more. And within those non there have been a couple of overseas editions as well and then translations fantastic. That's very cool and as I look to my right I see all your books lined up as I mentioned but also there's a bunch of other books as well. There's a Marist Glucksman book here oppo Jennings biography. I want continue. The you have a library in your office. of keats books incredible gift of the Gab. Marsk lots of red that one they CA- so here we go. We're tapping into your childhood childhood my much it was really yeah Paul Jennings books although I feel like now. It's Andy Griffiths and Tim Harris. Isn't that odd. Oh my sides Andy Griffiths and Andy Griffiths. But you know I'm working on it guy guided you like bookshop and assist. Every how many treehouse books he got well at the moment is about seven right of them. May maybe even more by nab they've just gone. They've gone global their their big thing getting looks at shaper rating has lots of young people rating. which is really good? You'll say thereafter half of its squad an ECLECTIC collection so there's the cricket books bit of a cricket tragic. There's the The Christian living books as the kids books and then this and everything in between those biographies and a lot that I haven't read well. You are on the podcast this week to talk about libraries. Can you take us back to. Maybe when you're a kid kid and I mean you're an author now did you love books as a kitten. Did you love libraries as a kid denies strangely. I didn't have a huge love of books when I was a kid. Probably you probably the thing I really wanted to do is hit a cricket bull so the they love books and lobbyists has actually swelled of time but as a kid I do have some specific memories savell of our promise school library and I remember we. You know we'd all lined up to go in knowing. I think there are thirty in the class knowing that they ate soft cushions inside and say it'd be wrestling Paul Position and a certain as Mr Sandler librarian up and out the door because you weren't allowed to run. It was the Olympic Powell. Walk Rice to get us off cushion. As if you're lucky you might get one in the fiction section and he was sort of half lucky might end up in the you know the head section of nonfiction fiction and all the other twenty two students dismissed out so it was quite Mr Simla. He was fond memories of him as a librarian he would. He wouldn't inside on a chair to read books to the class. He actually see it up on a title and Aric and he. He had the brown EST fashion. I've ever seen in here brown pads Brown Brown hair. He may have had brown eyes as well. Sit Up on the table wearing. He's Brown fashion and he would put his index finger into his mouth and leaked the finger Before turning a page now I had no idea as an eleven year old bought that technique was helping the page flick. A forty had like a gem. Five years I don't know what it was but it was this odd saying the finger into the math pulled out. Turn the page. And then the thing that I remember the clearest out of above all of that is he spoke. Doc with this awesome whistle. So he black yes. This is a great book about things. And so we'd be when we got to Houston. Take the boys would be shaking like Hamish December. Here's a book and he'd He'd sigh right. What's this spun Sixty seconds seconds of sausages syllabus chosen deliberately so we could get that we still To its MAX CY. Lots of fun memories from from the library very I think there's when you're when you're young. There is a bit of luck a wonder that that comes with being in a library as well And Eric and what I got to hospital that whole thing changed and suddenly the the labile mass became applies to fee. Because it was it was side. deathly quiet And the Librarians Burns at at my particular hostile terribly strict and Si- if there was any you know any nonsense talking it'd be passed on At sort of lost is that sense of or I remember I think some you. Ten students decided to rebel against the librarian. And I tip chocolate milk down the return shoot and so all the books the bottom sponsored by oak it was really stinky. You've got great great memories. I always try to think back to an all keyed and what libraries will like for me and I can't remember my librarians and I am I remembering the often often. You'd be in a rice to borrow the goosebumps books you know. Everyone wanted that book but it was always out And then when Harry Potter came out that was the next big thing would have been but awesome but I kinda feel like at lunchtime. All the kids wanted to be in the computer lab and all the needy kids would go the library yet. Well so the computer labs Abbas separate suicide. Because when I was at school at Haas school the Computer Lab was part of the library. Had to be cited library. Do we say library very laboratory. I say library lobby. I think you should say library. That small proper isn't it. Look I actually. We know It's contrast controversial or controversy. It's one of those. Is it bad form. I mean we should clarify that. You were you tried schoolteacher as well. Yeah that's right so fifteen years as a teacher in in private schools is it bad formed a token the library yet. Yeah it was actually a depending on the like look depending on on the situation if you go into stop blurting and their paperwork doing things. That's pretty poor form. But but libraries Also a place of great learning inside. They might be caught dynamic lessons happening with as a whole bunch of talking. And that's completely normal it really think etiquette Came down to discretion. And you Kinda work out. What what should I be doing? how should I be having in this particular situation. Site both happened from from silence and your big trouble. Few toll roads through to to Kost and screaming on occasions. And he's we'd that every library has different rules. Because I I think of my local library that had take my three year old too and sheep. Labs away reading books. But that's allowed to you know when you're in high school when you're latitude group study sessions around a table To Win I went to college. And you want to talk at all inside. So what I know why that's the case disadvantage that I'd agent stage of learning perhaps yep and perhaps there's a social Social Skills Social awareness that goes with it But it does remind. Let me Sam. Have you heard that. That joke about the arch men. Who walks into the library here? Say you know is a Kayla Taylor steaks anymore at night is a solid Lau. Thank you I'm Gonna I'M GONNA say because it's one that I had and I haven't forgotten because it's a good. It's a good one for lobbies breeze. Salazar's men guys into the library and he walks up to the counter and says all right then. I'll have a milkshake and a burger. Thanks and the librarian looks around and fires residences. You do realize this is a library and he says I'm sorry. Hi milkshake Thanks that's good. That's Abou- Oh I'm what what would you say. Your favorite things are about libraries. Definitely the books are. There's there simony worlds to deepen in an ad oven. There's so much information that that's available there. But I'm actually beginning to notice more and more that libraries have cool furniture and and it's become a bit of a thing for philosophies if I have a budget where they combine Beautifully versatile finish might be interchangeable. So that you can and moved desk. Surrounded credit different shapes Bookshelves on wheel. So we can create different spices for for different occasions Awesome Lodge Raj Interactive whiteboards. Lessons can be clear and you can say what's happening for a long distance. So I brought spices views windows. So yeah lobbyist. Obviously that can be really beautiful places for learning and engagement I'm enjoying side since of started visiting scholar up to about three hundred schools now in the last four years so that's a lot of libraries that are saying and some of them actually breathtaking The thought that's being put into these places to make them excellent spots for learning and engagement of course above all promoting a love of rating. And say you might have a beautiful quartz pants up on the wolves eye doctor. Zeus quite saw. Well there might be a particular Message that the school might want to portray us that might be up on the wall right through to artworks Visiting illustrator might might pay. It's not work during a live session. And then deny that outworked till the school and start some schools will then choose to frame as outlooks six and put them up And then on the other side there are some lavas. It might just be an MSA boo but the thing is important thing is that school has a library and so the students Kneza still they still going in and being immersed in in literature and doesn't doesn't seem to affect them that you know there's a couple of fans on the roof and just assertive competent. Maybe a rug and then UNISOM literally just some shelves around the edge of the demand side. I come in in various shapes and sizes houses but one thing I'm back to the original question would enjoy about them is yes saying the different lads and saying how librarians In visited in visiting the space I work in an and trying to utilize that space to connect with students. How Important d think a library is whether it's school or a local community to helping kids raid hugely hugely important Also I guess find a love of rating. Yes it's so important and that can be the love of rating can be directly the a direct result from the passion of that teacher Librarian. You know if you get off Saint I've seen some librarians though you sit down the chair. And they'll just command respect and then they'll launch into a story in these days awesome voices. Then then he walks down the road hello trotting and the kids. It's hard not to get swept up in that. If you're young you know hearing the voices so that that's the relevance h librarian that is so how important in sort of helping students get that love rating. But how important are they. They are so important because without a lobby. Will where where the books go and the sad thing is. I'm sure we'll talk about this. In more dates highlighted a lot of Australian schools. Now asya you know what we're gonNA ditch a library and I'll take collaboration we're GONNA put up funds elsewhere And so we know what happens to the book in that situation. Will I simply get carded off to a classroom and put it on a bookshelf for the back. The room and what's lost is that that knowledge and passion from someone whose job is to promote rating at indict Rome ages promote rating every taste promotes rating. But the person who's trained to do it and who's who has their finger constantly on the pulse with what kids rating and what books are winning awards This this goes out the window which is which is very sad and research is showing now that the score results again down. So reading and literacy levels of a plummeting in fact I read an article recently about a school in Melbourne where the principal rocked up. I think it's a Catholic College. I think right down the name some of this. Anyway Melvin. The principal ripped up and they use their lobby as a detention space. And so it was. That's all it was so students were sent right. It'll johnny Off Your Guy to lobby half now and the principal was horrified and and this is a school. I should say I think there are something like fifty languages. Spoken Kennedy School Seminary High non-english-speaking Anyway. So the lab. The the principal said we're GONNA change 'em he straightaway he employed tesa librarians. And said he's budget. Do what you want. We're going to promote rating in the hype that that rating is going to help the students with their rotting. Not and I think I think the article said it was either within two or three years that school doubled the improvement of every other school. Cooling Victoria for the net plan results doubled the margin of improvement All because they had the vision to put a library implies and and make it some way the students wanted. There's a guy they put chess sets in there. They would've put you nice nice furniture and their dismay place where the students wanted to guy instead of it. Being Offi guy you know. That's where a you're in trouble yes I. It is an incredible turnaround coming into these interview. I did research on lotteries but I actually had no idea that that schools are shutting the Dan. I just for some reason assumed it was compulsory for every school to have a library. That's right and then Those I'm so sorry that the author the name escapes me big overseas Ortho came out and said they should be compulsory. Because at the moment they're not but the whole article was about they should be compulsory and I believe the stats at the moment one night schools does not where east to be every school deed. And they're even. I heard a story about a a small Queensland state school where the parents petition the pain can say to to get a lottery. 'cause I knew the importance of this lobbyists that I wrote this incredibly dates. How letter about these? The learning benefits that are the students would have Actually I think the thing though Yeah they wanted to take Auburn for the special. There was a library but I didn't have a takes a librarian so those things really really the they need to go hand in hand anyway. They've got the they got it. They got the taste librarian. G- right they changed the school so you said how many schools have you visited the last year in the this just this year over ninety this year. Okay so have any of those schools not had a library not one okay. Yep which and and there is a connection. He Salmon that the schools with lotteries and with the teach lebarons. They're very proactive. In getting an author into come and speak and there's a connection there as well as yes They say that and also showed US shared an article by a teacher librarian just this week and she said that rating and rotting engagement levels go up. Twenty twenty percent after an author has has done their thing sort of promoted reading and writing So that's yeah but it makes sense. Doesn't it that it's those schools the trying to bring in the the authors. Neil stratus. Can I ask what you do like. I imagine you walking over these hundreds of Keough hundred a few hundred kids they sitting sitting. They've read you books All they are aware of who you are at least what Kinda stuff do you do with them. I got this funny little message for Makita visited visited At cleverly public schooling his name was forest and he said Da Team Harass. You should be a stand up comedian and you could make millions more dollars any do as an oath so have this. I have a bit of a stand retained it which I try to make. It look improvised but it's a bit. It's the old lane on Woodley trick way you you say a one liner on the spot and you realize it works and so then you just sort of Papua pulled out so I start with a bit of sort of comedy and that's just too bright the audience. That really is because I figure if you get them laughing at the start the first five minutes is silly if you get them laughing then you've hooked them and if you have them hooped can you can say more meaningful things silence once. They hopes from the from the laughing. Then we can dive into The writing process. We can dive into real people who have influenced characters. This great story about mildly Forte. Churn how he sort of influenced that some of the characters in my books share you know personal anecdotes. Lack that option book trial has videos. Fired is will have some Improvise comedy with the students again. Just that we halfway through just to break it up. So there's a Lotta laughing about. There's also tapes that that get across a delight to have a bit of a balanced there and because at the end of the day you want the students to have To feel good about it but we also want the school to know that they've got something out of this and then on just paying for a sixty minute standup show which let's do that. Now do you want to three to the junior fiction fiction and look for your book. When I first started I did that? I think it's that you get a bit of a rush to to be honest. US were You know and there's a book on the shelf but by libraries now and teach libraries are really great and often they'll produce these incredible displays of your books and say you walk into the lobby and they might have have a whole corner of the library dedicated to a series or an author that they've got visiting and that's nice because you want there to be a spike in reading after you've been uh-huh I guess the question we're talking about is is libraries in and the feature of libraries on this podcast. And I think in an age where I I say day stores have closed because spotify chains assay B. and then video stores. I think the last blockbuster closed last year did ivory W I one in the world. Now where is it. I think it's over in Canada off the Chang that calendar year. It's all some random state of America. It's somewhere somewhere in North America but you movies online you get. You've music online. Why because he can read books and audio books e books why library every still around natty think it is a great question? I think the answer is because books is still around And books there was. I think it was early. Ten in select two thousand eleven twelve. The conversation was able to take what's going to happen to books and you know. Is it GonNa Follow this digital trend and to be part of it but about books actually kept on going through an end. Look you get you hard core book fans I sort of fancy ago who love the smell of its a cheeky. Little thirty two millimeter whatever. Let's run and look and to be honest. Fresh folkston smell really good and and those who run their fingers along the binding and and feel the you know the texts that pops out and and you know the white of so you get those sort of how Kobuk fans which is really cool so of course. They're gonNA stay but I think for the vast majority of paypal. The book is an experience anyway. Anyway so I mean first and foremost if you rating fiction. That's a form of entertainment. But it's something that it's very portable you can. You can take it around with you unless it's They've got like a Banjo Paterson biography on. It's about seven hundred page hardcover. That's AH that's about four kilos with they get those big ones about the very portable sticky nights in them and doggy pages. If it's your and some people even would just not pages out of books. They're lockin have favorite quiet and things If it's fiction you've got your index X-xi can remember where things That there's a star non-fiction you can. You can look at your index and in a look at where things are there a lot of advantages to the actual books because the book has survived. Look able to still guy. And but books Stu Guy Account and I believe and Harper. I think Books House House of actually slow the increase. And that's probably to do with population but they're going strong suicide because the books still there is still there And because people vol- still lots and land will community lobbies local reserve incredible places for learning and site that's even with the turmoil of books in five or six years gone. Will they have a future will. Yes lobbies the steel prices to land and digital learning is also did digital literacy is a big thing to Cy Lavas live. Is I think a thriving up in Rockhampton couple of months ago that had luck be ruled. All die are the a member of Palm Up. There made donated Ranaldo. Oh cake was the best case I've ever seen. How in the chocolate factory let layers of chocolate things and conveyor belts and everything was edible? Look like this machine and it was like silver assing. It was incredible But when I was there doing some book talks and workshops had walk around the library and they will lease little little breakout rooms where there were. There was a lot Raffles Niles tried. He's sitting in there and the RV roles learning how to do you know. Microsoft spread shape the business. They'll paypal clearly studying. You know if photographer university or exams and Old Papal in there just too title grandkids in and and look at a picture book. Whatever site was eight OCTO? This sense of this is a real community hub. Look Gang here. It's not just people writing books. It's it's GonNa it's a multipurpose source. Space and a lot of schools have put maker spaces into their lobbies where they say. You know this particular rim. We're GONNA do robotics buttocks in. We're going to do programming in told the school that had a grain screen room and that was awesome. The students love getting in there and making videos And I think libraries Aubrey's just going with the times becoming versatile places and it's pretty hard to stamp that out it is. I think in my local community library which guy I to a lot with my three year old and I love it. I love that I get to spend time. She can chat happily shoot. These toys puzzles. Zell's these books the DVD's but as I sit there. I noticed a lot of people wondering and just use. The Free Wifi Free Wifi is become kind of like Komo News L.. Live to twenty nine eight. Well look. What's the alternative? I suppose. Gun McDonald's to use their free will after Batman. But then you might have to Baugh thirty cent kind with I. Reckon guy to use the free will. I fought if it's air conditioned as well and at some that it becomes the ultimate. Yeah yeah look to be fair. I think that probably are used to be a bit of a tool to get people in but I think that's probably 'cause free offers everywhere And a lot of people have rhyming on their devices and things anyway Is that a redundant point for lobbies. Yeah I I think it's just part and parcel not. Yeah Yeah and yeah and lobbies do have. Computers are pottuvil bizarre. I feel and Si- yeah connecting to the way and the other thing about lobbies. Is there paypal as a show you how to do ray such better So you can go in and it doesn't matter. Hey you might be six years old doing small one page Assam and all you might be fully unit. Whatever whatever the still people there who can help you find what you need? Hey look faster And that that's a huge huge vantage philosophies. Do you could do harm and probably bang ahead against the lobby. Comedian groups Sir is yeah lots of lots of good things. Yeah I actually love about lotteries is that it's still it's one of those things in a society that blaze a mind when you can go to a library can get ten picture books. I just Scan Academy Tech Them. Hi I'm a gun for three weeks. That's really cool be. Yeah that's really really cool thing it is way too. I'm so AL seven six and five year old I love guy and getting a bit of a bundle and and An ARC in my seven year old. He had a choice. He'd he'd walk out with thirty books he feels. I don't know who would carry them home but yeah it is a really cool thing. That's right and I become and that's you know that's a form that's your answer. Time at that can be an indeterminate food for many hours. Those books and entertained Australia. has this really cool thing where they actually The government has an allocation of money with AL actually Reimbursed author's books are in libraries. So essentially if you go borrow book Portland you're going to buy it and it's it's it's It's a really cool. This is called Ayla and Paola Educational ending rot and public lending rights. So there's always the great country where the always awesome systems in place that it's fair and accessible for everyone and that's and that's what lobby should be. So you saying that if EIBAR you'll book from the library abry you get like a roti cat. Well if the lobby has my Bukoba royalty cut. It doesn't matter how many times is barred from there. Everyone bar team Harris has series. Reese ask for ASA for it. That's because I do know that was a thing. I didn't realize that you get you. Get some sort of so much luckier a song on spotify. Getting getting it. That's the exact same thing And this whole idea of sort of creative people getting getting their royalties or rod says the always awesome new digital systems in place for and I didn't realize because I still so our record music and have some songs but now get royalties from songs on and Youtube and I didn't request it somehow. Found may cause because every audio thing on youtube has has its own fingerprint or apprentice traces back to the what is through the distributor. That's pretty 'cause I books Simon lobbies okay very good. I was doing some research before they founded in an article that I'll put the links to in the show nights it's by Simon Jenkins. He writes for The Guardian. It's back in two thousand sixteen but he write these public libraries have. I've had another bad year. They elect churches and local railways. People like having them around but the angry if they close but as for using them well. There is so little time Tom to do so these days. I like that. Quite people like having them around angry if they close. I think it's true but why do you think that's the case. Is it a sentimental thing. Perhaps perhaps we will talk to her about how there's a lobbies of a world of wonder when your kid hit and I wonder if for some people that have really fond memories of being lotteries as a kid and then when they get older the business of life you know. They stopped going paps until they have their own kids. But I think back to the Rockhampton Labrador Algebra. It was humming. It was a weight day. There was so many people in there doing all these things and yes I think there'll be a lot of people say you know what now it we're still using Aubrey's Yeah and I'd love to knife is any research to the backup that court because it's a pretty powerful quiet And it sort of challenges. A lot of what. We've been speaking about libraries. That are at the same time. They're just so. Many people boohoo advocating to protect the lobbies the schooling coins them for example. There's a a group of incredible Astrid and school librarian. There formed a group rip. Cold students need school lobbies. Where they're they're getting so many people to petition local schools Governments Councils newspaper articles TV interviews? I used to stand up and speak on behalf of of Teach Librarians and libraries. And I know I know that the research is saying students benefit students benefit when they have these. And let's hype that you know that spills out into the to the public libraries as well because we certainly wouldn't want is closed because then free access to books wchs is gone It's actually gone because you know you can't browse United Bookshops Not GonNa let that and big w not going to let you do that you. You had such vivid memories of being a student at school and using the library you now have spent fifteen years as a schoolteacher and you'd now to around as an author to libraries and you've got kids at libraries can you say contrast between you as a kid using lobbies and these next generation and the way in which they view and utilize the spices. That are there. I think the biggest difference would be the whole the digital learning and the online stuff for markets. It's purely books. They want to say books. They WANNA touch books that I want to read books have tried to encourage them that. That's a good thing to do and enemies ties into to my memories as well I go there was one. I forgot to mention my actually very first library. Memory was my mom. Take me taking it so local library to say puppet sure Yeah and and and I did a quick Google before you arrived what's happening at mylar. Collaborative giggled And the council events events come up and there are so many things happening. It was like cooking classes. Learn how to do a language sewing courses writing workshops masterclasses all these things happening happening in the low local library. So back to the question. If that's the case that I remember that was a kid and those things are still happening today. I think perhaps there are very similar uses and similar the perceptions But the heavy heavy change it would be the the introduction of is he is such a big thing With a lot of online on research paper Lennon computer skills and Si- lobbies have roughtly accommodative for that and they have things in place to To help pay pool who tap into the digital world. I think we've we've we've discussed that. Libraries is such a good thing so good for keyed so good for adults and so good for education but I think there is a sense that people just don't use the libraries that so freely available able to them so Tim Harris. What shall we do about libraries? What shall we do Sam? Well I think people need to remember them And I need tonight that they are places where you can go business. I'm sure has got a lot to do with that so yeah I think we need so paints to become more aware of what they're saying if if they're not at school at university that needs to be aware of what the local libraries doing and it's it's not just a place for books. Yes their books. Their books books are big part of of our world by their whole blood of other things going on as well But I think the big what what should we do about them. I think at the merit twenty nine Hain protecting them is the big one in protecting school libraries and schoolteacher librarians and making sure that we have libraries in In in cities and towns so that people have free access to books free access to the Internet That supplies where they can go and learn. That can upskill themselves selves. That can go and relax and read a book. I can go and use the free Wifi only conditioning. All the both good things Tim Harris is been so good to talk to you about libraries and thank you so much invited me ran to the place where you write books. A pleasure do. Do you mind if I hang around for a few hours and just read some of these books that I'd forgotten about I mean Paul Jennings he got so many of its great. Let's do it. There's Free Wifi here on the air conditioner conditioner on this leg. I thanks thanks. Bye thanks to team Harrison. You can find on facebook and instagram at team Harrison this books and online at team Harris Books Dot Com. He's granny book has just come out. It's Kotova towel as the Great River. Rice it's a perfect raid fee. Kids the school the holidays. Thanks so much for listening. It means a lot to me I would love if you would subscribe and even write and review the show. If you enjoyed it you can follow the show show on instagram and facebook. At what shall we do pod. And what shall we do about. 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24: Adam Blythe Interviews Tim Harris

"Thanks, right. Sorry, guys. What rights doing tomorrow, Brenda Koksijde? I've just out to get my license to my director. He came over to us for. To the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh, the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character Rydin watch with rather in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f education fast and canyon throb. Oh, my name's Richard Moore. And I'm with Lionel, Bernie, Richard. And we're here just once again briefly to introduce the lethal in our Adam blind interview series, aren't reliable. We are indeed this week. It's a former writer, Tim Harris who may be familiar to some of you not Tim a writer in the eighties nineties with various teams and the UK on abroad and he wrote for time in Portugal as well. He was British national road race champion. He wrote for fifteen ah before fifteen a- became infamous in one thousand nine hundred eighth in retirement. He well, he lives in Belgium, and he has helped of young writers. I mean, you name a talented or successful British writer of the last decade or so and chances are he has stayed in. Tim's house, and Belgium and been shown the ropes of Belgian. Racing there and Adam Blige with one of those writers. And as Adam will explain in the CIA, he has with Tim. He went to Belgium with a certain reputation already kind of pinned to his back, and yet Tim Harris and his partner justly Ryan really kind of set riders on a path towards the professional ranks and kind of given them this the skills they need to survive first of all in Belgian amateur icing embracing not just a racing. But also the the lifestyle that is required to thrive yet. I am absolately, and we know Tim Harris a bit because he works at the to France as well, he drives VIP's guests for school attitude of France. And he's one of these guys who he's always story always got bit of gossip and. 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C C cyclist values road cycling on more. For more information, go to Rafeh CC. And everyone. It's day with one of my probably one of my best mate. So I've known not that long. But yeah, twelve years is a long time. Timorous you'll of your no in innovative him. A lot of year might not have as lives in Belgium, an old professional don't really put his face in the media much. So yeah. Tim used to be national champion nine thousand nine hundred nine year. I was born. My sister. Oh, by the way, Tim's own language, and it's called Dorgan's. And it's basically a mix of Portuguese English, Norfolk and Belgium. So if you hear fodder me or anything like it's a bit line off may or. Means gray or you star or something like that. If hear me, and Tim say all father may or anything like that. It's it's not swear. And it just means either bad or good or. Really good. So tomorrow national champion nineteen Eighty-nine Tim, you're in a lot of no other. I don't even know really all the teams in. But. Yeah. Talk through your career when you start really in them building up to national champ KIA tempo in September four team code our snacks. Season after hours in our VP vitelle also. Dutch team and the next two seasons INC in Britain and the next year after that rally banana and won national championships are really been honor then signed for Pasadena in Spain. And after that one couple of stages in the tour of the garden in Portugal and saw Sean for Portuguese teams for three seasons. And then for the last four seasons on my own Polkomtel rental team called efforts moisture Pact-era and in ninety six Malaysia Fatemi ninety six I thought it was you sure I thought it was a lot the sooner the notch up lasted longer than I thought. Festina must be ANC infrastructure must've in the highlight of your career back nine. It was a lot. They were the two big stunned names. I know festina for different reasons because they were full of good cyclist rarely so our did you get about getting into? Back there. Like nowadays, you have to come to Belgium. France knows obviously. And everything was a lot different. I mean, it's the same bull is massively difference in our days. You know, you haven't got all these British cycling all that kind of. So did you go about two professional well in some ways, it was exactly so measured. It you. You came to Belgium went to Holland when I was actually went to Italy. I and when I was junior one of ice in Italy, but had some new role in that, you couldn't be foreign Reuters. So the other option moves to go to Holland. So I went to Holland vice for amateur team, neck or will aboard Wilbur out and really. Kyw modern Weisenthal fashioned wise. But still like she say now a lot of just come here. And if you do okay you. You could make it to be a pro prone. If you don't you don't, but in reality not much as changed its partial Rice's about Chicoutimi. We've do something or you don't. Yes. Tim always used to say to me. And you always do something rather than nothing. If you're not you're not going to be anyone you so. That's basically are not him. How are you as a professional? And then I ended up living with you. When I was I think seventeen now, I think. Yeah. When I was seventeen I moved to Belgium. Came to live with Tim. It was through Phil Griffiths moved in there. It was also left the economy. Not really wanting to be there. So not really knowing what I was going to do but to do something. So I applied for rain phone, which Tim now works recruits arise in arise. Avoid Konta live with Tim in Belgium to try and make it professional. By actually got refused. Raina GM got refused. Raina for to go to CT. RTT sorry to them, and I got funding through them, and it was two hundred a month, and Tim I used to live with him charge me to a month for rent. So I was left with nothing. But when I moved in with me, it's quite funny story out to you. I'll let him tell you about it. But he was still good friends of dealing with rod used to run the economy. So when I left Tim asteroid voice all in. And let me tell you the story of well how it came around here. My name and introduced me really funny story really always didn't Tope. By New Delhi rafters, really good friend of mine. And also, Phillip Griffiths is also really good friend of mine and. On members in Italy. They will sought to chaper chips a phone call out of the blue from felon. Phil says right? Your tight is this young MRs been off the academy. He said she's in Blyth all heard really was bad things about them. So we hadn't really impressed role too much in his is behavior, shall we say? But fails or press game into taking 'em. So didn't have most choice because philatelic me a lot when I was racing vice within INC so thought, okay. So Adam arrived up picked him up at the airport on says, right? Avert your complete twenty. You got one month to sort yourself out otherwise bringing you back here. And that's that's how it started. Is it really? And we on all right since then we've done quite well, really. But. Yeah. Upper-middle you in them me and Tim on like, I have some fire. We didn't really quite a lot in common being such different age groups, really it was quite a lot of the simple nece. Roger now, we both fell in over that when you were young when I was young. So then when I can't live with you. It was so of like, I was a little Baker. Sorry. Tim's names character Baker. Yeah. A lot Tyler from the start because you just want to rice and CARA. Reuters compared you never know how good or bad somebody will in a member taking his first rices puzzle up. Like, I think the images of the member finishing the finished under these are hard. It was. But then he just kept wanting to rice everytime vic- want to rice because I want to make some money as well because in hidden money, take all of them. The business platform and. But you have always got me about Rodney audience again so used to trying to them a lot, and we just spent such spent for the signs we did sprint sprint sprint sprint old island. It's funny really looking back. Now when you look at what we did in training together is never it was never plunder. It was never will do this today. We'll do that say we never sat down and looked here. We saw a race in four or five days. Let's just work around that. And that's what we did. It was in. And it wasn't like any structure to it. It was just it was just constant riding your bike. And it was always every time. We went out we'd have a point system for sign. So little towns be one point province sign a ten point countries Hines, very rare. But I'd be the million points who got back onto that be. UB? So we'd always go out. And we'd always around these signs. It always race each other. We're not kind of stuff and Tim was fifty and it was always about overlay chump. But the main thing is always PT always race. Make it always raise me and always trying not me down the ridge. So it always trying to knock me off the way or just try and beat me somewhere or another. But it was. Taught me quite a lot very always. You know is the simplest a bike route. And it wasn't going out impress in certain during a load of efforts. It was just going out on a simple nacip going out and buying around and go into a load of racism trying to win. It wasn't looking at your Watson trying to increase your walks. I think if you probably looked at the training was if you did it back to fun in the fact have had power may isn't if have had all the proper training plan, if we'd have looked back at it was probably pretty perfect training because you the long rides. You had the interval training shoes. Sprinting for the signs, so although on paper, it wasn't really structured in reality. It was would have been looking back at it. Because we did all the things that you need to do to be good by early. So I live with Tim for three years Haydn Nutella pots on your bed. When I was a first year when I went to Belgium, I never never could drink the milk. A hated the milk out there and all that kind of side like. Tim's house in the morning and just have chocolate milk cocoa pops and all kind of stuff in Tim used to. He didn't really say anything until you found ten types of Natella, Ron. So yeah, I spent three years Tim than eventually moved out, but just down the road from Tim. But I think what I got from Tim is told me in those short years. I the simple of religion be telling me, it's a business is a business. You have to remember this is a business and go and do these races. I remember after a couple of a few seconds Goff users, and I was always a coupla commence in Tim comeback from pure until blah, blah. You must be making a quite a bit of money. Now, it's only eighty euro for second. It's not like you're not getting paid. And then I didn't know about it. None Tim told me all of those fine. Those offi itself out to help someone for money or something. And as what Tim taught me is that it's a business and even those races. There's money to be made. If you win book, there's a guy called case matinee fueled is used to go to these commences, and they they want to pay it. Let them win almost or help them win. So that sort of struck a chord in if it's happening. This lower down the line the deals to remain one year the lion. It's not like I've ever made Musset deals in bigger bite races. Push still happens and timber down to me quite a young age that everything is of it's not for the lowest board. But there's always money's been made in short period of time that you gotta make money infamy that short period was being an amateur and trying to make enough money to pay pay rent, really and Tim of broiler own for me. But back in your day that most of up and. And a lot. Yeah. I mean, that's history. You didn't ask to? If you look back for history of bite rising always been pies money, and it was before it used to be really a sport for the for the poor people in Europe to be honest is now it's become over middle class spot. But before it really was more for the poor people away to gal of poverty in Europe. And. So in every is was money to be won. And it was. Yeah. People one rice is all they might have sort of not sold it, but help somebody else for the rising to pocket money in the back pocket. But and that just went on that was must part of the sport part of the interest in the sport. Because also in Belgium, bookmakers not so many now, but still yours Flanders think. But a lot of the way I look at citing if the only way you can compare with the Anglo Saxon world England, all and maybe Charlie are not. So sure about is. It's the same like horse racing in England wash rising everyday and betting on horse rising every day and it's day in day out. And basically, that's that's Flanders raise more or less every day, and our history people on it, and you have to look a little bit that chair. Yeah. A week from story. I went into grand and folk message. So yes, the lesson quickly. Learn. But no, I think moving back onto him and what he does now with his with his partner. Jocelyn your help kids. These days and arrived is wants common bay professionally wanna come late the by riders dream. But we both know that's not as easy as always looks on paper. These days is guys going through a cycle. And then they go into the process going team sky when the when the good and arrived is trying to make on their own and after own back, but a lot of say eighty five percent fail in fifty percent. So yeah, Tim said, yeah. Not even even less. Do you know is within that first month of living with your what it takes or not takes normally in a month? You can save somebody's really not because especially in March and April they arrive. Most of them have been running around spine training camps and stuff, and then come to Belgium and complete reality anybody's watch, the Belgium classics most will of how the POWs rise, but the amateur icy is exactly the same. If not even more crazy. So. In every single category. Bows, you've got the curve of the Toffler knows Ohio bake. But for the amateurs when you of just derive from the UK, and you're into vice-like that it's it's a complete shock, and you'll know pretty quickly, for example after left McClay as on the twat stove London. They headed mature I said on the twenty three I think it was two hundred ninety starters. Benefit two weeks. Pop and you want it. So they ultimately know that is is not going to be a donkey with that. You know, when I was chairing me, you eight modern shot. Tim's very old don't train. Nah. I shouldn't say this you gonna stick. But Tim, Tim John Chambers an element when he's on his own, but only because it's old school. And that's what he's always known you do treatment element every now, and again, no Trump now fees where can I go on the tour, which he does the element. So he does. But Tim super old calling the ways that he's never believed in modern modernist. Really don't like power me is you don't like heart rate monitor. You are which I guess is fairly modern really. So I guess Tim doesn't like whole lot nonsense around not being a bike race. And I think I agree with him. You know, you can't go into a racy days. And so many people obsessed with looking at power me is an Arp lament my threshold this thresholds. Not but you can't do race based on threshold into tour of Flanders or occur mice go or not go that artists. My threshold. Like, I said Tim's very old going away. Can you see rise at come across in deal as we say modern shot? Two ways to look at that. I mean, everybody lives Anne rice in the air that they're racing living in. So when I was in Raleigh banana, for example. We had Dr Titians we had we got with this hospital to be tested, and we are training schedules and everything, and obviously you rise to the best of your Bility's news every single thing that's available in your time. Which is now if you're writing, but what I think that what has been forgotten a little bit in all the Chinese schedules. And the power mate is actually the. Rice craft hot put us. In the fact of how to do seen where to put yourself in the world amend. The thing is like everybody talks about our dynamics if you sound somebody's well as per dynamics, the Blokhin funded us taking the weight, and so you have to learn that so thing if you're not kind to the front that need to be the era dynamic and then yesterday was the best example of ever seen. I was watching no Kerr rice and talion guy attacks, obviously, not used to riding in Belgium, looking at his heart monitor went down. There fridge and crash in full view of into our world. You obviously everything's called place. But you have to learn to rice and tactics. Another last week, probably imperishable power, snakes, one of the best examples one of the most impressive pieces of writing of seen in the last few years, actually, look right guiding. But now. In in the Shawn's when it split because for the little Columbian to be in the front in the split in an echelon stage when you got six jumbos lock and banana was one of the best pitch of audio ever seen. So the fact that Luke could do that in such impressive fashion because he knows how to ride a bike knows what he's doing knows where put yourself you have the most amount of power in entire race. But if you don't know where to put yourself in the bunch when it goes into excellence, you're being the Las echelon, and you can be the pressure art in the world, you won't jump for mesh onto echelon. And that's what I mean by you have to now out. How to have that rice craft in in a in a a modern rice and fashioned rise. Anyway, she after no to be. And that's where the winds coming from where the hills go to be have to study the study the rope there. Here is true. We've always said, I think I wouldn't be in a pro if every for new to-do Sut my engines tiny, probably neither would you probably, you know, I think being Tim quite similar as we always used to put ourselves in that right position. I was remember when Adam turn pro for lotto, Mark Sargeant, the owner of lotto put it in the newspaper because I didn't play called the Panama about minus ten it's headed in the headlines in the paper and obliged. He has a fifty motor. But knows L to use it to the volunteers of somebody with a five hundred sixty motor call myself a Vesper now I can capable in traffic, but I can't go faster than that car at the traffic. So I think that's. Says a lot about cycling's as you can have all the power in the world, which most people have gotten answer all into FTP and all kinds FTP stunts Trump. Teepee? I may need not as not TSS's. Training stress. Go. He's acting like he knows what is very is. No idea. See I think going back to that race craft. I wouldn't have been a pro if everyone on race craft. So I think all these people are strongest, comma Belgium and complex download numbers, but can't actually raise their sort the people that we need in racing without them. If they were as clever as we wouldn't be I wouldn't be pro everyone be clever as we are on the position. Like, we are with the numbers. They so we need these people in cycling. So keep doing guys the guys at the big numbers. Keep doing it. Shoot that. I do. Cars team card the back of the tax. Lease the voice of peak race radio with the two the front, interrupting Adam bly, and Tim Harris there to remind me to tell you this episode is sponsored by DNA fit who provide genetically guarded, fitness and nutrition incites for training solutions and long term health benefits. 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So I guess when you were growing up it was very different era when I was growing up when I was growing up. It was still twenty eight hundred eight thousand nine two thousand ten and even back then is very different. What it was? Now. You know, I think even the use of having a pain killer in a race. And all that stuff that was fairly for me. This is now over and painkiller noise. It's not really a bad thing. But it used to be very much normally even doctors nowadays, if painkiller they'll be like, a, you know, it's going to be for my pain in the race. But I guess back in your quite sensitive subject. This was the more going on when you first year when you were growing up I straddled complete to errors. Because when I turned pro. That was an era when like people use unfetter mins and exterior all it's everybody knows because a lot of people call on it. But in about nine teen. Nine nine hundred ninety suddenly everything started to really change or member ride in the world in the world in on. And I was okay offing are punched in finale powers pay reasonable, right? I was and then suddenly the year light are capable of anybody. And. Nobody really knew suddenly talion bane being always good as suddenly like unbelievable top. Obviously we now what it was. It was the the China of the air from amphetamines and things to to APO actual blood doping and that was completely hundred percent differ, air and. Patino is different. When you say now if someone back in like when I was growing up it wasn't. I was just brought into it. So I wasn't. It was that level is what the level was. And then, you know, you get the guy to go super good. It's never gone. Well, but it was the level. I'm being been quite constant apart from a few guys that you know, you hear of the Goff the couple a couple Russians. Awesome for me, the levels not really be they'll evidence, I can just gonna open up through modern people getting faster drew to a quick -ment on all that kind of stuff. But did you really like go for one season to the next and then go what what's not training enough, or did, you know straight away down to help? Now, just completely we didn't happen because suddenly from the ones as into next week's early keep up and the thing was Zoll in. If anybody looks slightly magazine, I've got still got a lot of my in house of magazines form ninety nine hundred is is full of articles about training with. Heartbeat. Monitors Italian discovered all these fancy new training training systems on to be honest. We win on always infrastructure and before they were bought into disrepute cyber nothing on news now organiz doping or anything. And then suddenly everybody was super fast. And if you want you that was it. So it was just suddenly a crazy thing Neva really did or you didn't. And that was up. Just like flicking switch it just literally light some guys just all of a sudden got stupidly good because more or less proven. If you took twenty twenty percent automatically. So I I'd once I was in the pike in our bake. I was ten eleventh natural if I'd have been twenty percent better on it, shall we say case if you are things like that. So yeah, all you got to look around. Now, there's a lot of people, you know. One a lot of ISIS in our. But that's just how it was. But we didn't at the time. We didn't know only in his in afterwards. Older stories of coming out when you've packed in. That you really knew how widespread it was kinda much in it. But I can't really. I can't imagine it really. Mental Reuter off in the past rod out of every thing. I think I've ever seen the Paul from like, Malcolm Elia enjoyment. Kopplin was allowed Copan Lockwood. From Bristol world was unbelievably good is when he was he went to the Olympic Games in CEO of it wasn't. And he was still working fulltime in the building. He did like at one stage in the middle rice. And. Could beat most depositing, but he his career coincided really with with EPA era. And yet if it'd be nice now he could win the Toffler and one hundred percent, but you can even finish early when he came to Europe because because of his career and people him, Andrew rights, another unbelievable. Good rider, guys, you he's studying nutshell. The record on the olive man might still. But they were just unbelievable is unfortunate to have their careers ruined by what was going on. So you never really it's never really think about it. But you just heard about these blokes. We're good riders. And not just like you said the air in the time just didn't allow them unless they did. The drugs you're looking because my Ma best results before all came in. So I had at least the chance to have five years when it was normalize it. Because aero have means suffer actually works doesn't work. No. It's not really prove it. It's more psychological. So by the somebody's not took that really know. But in EPA is one hundred percent different. So. But least I had the chance for five years to prove yourself until it was all over. So when I was living at Tim z always spent three years living with him five to my own apartment and moved to Monaco after that and look back on it wasn't the best choice ever made. And we all know about that. Tim always used to tell me it's a short career news. Even this was like two three years into my professional sourcing. It's short career, you need the most of it and always used to say to me you need to do something. You can't just ride around being average at something. And I think that's it's still the same. These days you need to be good at something unit. Be good at riding on the front in it climbing in sprint, and you need to do something as nothing so many people these days. So hard to stay in the job con. Lot of people can be rigid tips and the year, but being good for twenty is so difficult, and I think that's why a lot of people these days about to retire, especially this year in the sport. And what's up into is super difficult last year really was difficult year? Because obviously every now is quite a few teams stopped and lot of offensive ours. Friends revolve grown up bull. It's not it's not as though is every airbase unaccept- friends. We've really seen it since yesterday. That's under percent trick since time. We're gonna it's been like that. But people are shocked because it she makes you always have to prove yourself. Yes. So. Adam says you even come up with the goods you get another job. And that's along the shore. Really? And it's. Well, we just goes nuts. What Tim O once? It's over it's over and. I was looking at stop in Las year didn't set about schoolwork for Tim. I was Chaz. But when you start was it was it difficult. Did you did you look back in hate it? Or did you know what you were going to do? Resolve launching Tim was telling me, you know, he went through stages of when he didn't have a contract, and he drove to where Lear and things. So Toby tell him that story. So one year, I didn't think I was going to get a contract. I didn't know what to do. This was really before that coffee crazy for been evidenced by not say these mobile coffee, Espresso bars for the day. Drove to Milan news is about six, especially factories in Italy. So he's not on the door all of them to see if I could buy an Espresso Espresso machine start this great ideals today. And but then I got another contracts that didn't happen, but looking how big coffees become in the meantime, my shoulda shoulda isn't even a millionaire now, but no Tim now owns chair business. Don't you see if anyone in the market chairs, it's listening? Tim marriage chairs dot com. Is that what it is? Old school is don't website for company. But did you find it difficult when you start to do go through a while wondering what you're going to do did, you know straight away. A member having very once. For magazine said the hardest fight Craig is a die you stop because every single since I've been fourteen you'd woken up with a goal and used to do you by the next race the next training camp, the next EV you gotta doing so you, and you just always just of Asli. That's what you do when you saw this let you do. You just every waking moment is all cycling and then for next one day to the next suddenly you've got this massive empty huge base. And it's not even about the fact tall of getting a job not getting job is the fact that you need to find something that's going to motivate yourself to bed because. Every professional cyclist is Harley motivated person. So it's not like just going to job you saw this. But from the minute you stop the after find something that you want to do that. That will solve fail. Needs in to do something. Really kinda much stuff about a con imagine stopping in trying to find some you that much much cycling. I when I finished I couldn't look bike. I can benefit resulting. What's rather? Because I saw felt like you'd idea. Career Saul taken away from you because of all that going on. So we're not finished. I didn't. Nothing to do with it. But the guy that got me back into the fibers, Tom Barras of spats sputter spats. But he is because obviously vice is dead set and said five yourself son Yvonne's to try in Belgium. So Tom came and lived in the next release to me and are coming you have to come out on a bike ride. So when I was Tom. Thomas tastic like so. That's really sort of got back into it and got interested again start vices you've Thomas team and slowly got to alike again for it was rather than just the nightmare. It's all become but after all like you find in your lava game cycle through Thomas Darden him getting back on the by you really went back into sickly because then you start working on the tour, and I think so Tim works on the tour as works Skoda and you've driven around VIP's Goto throughout the whole Toda funds for. Twelve years every station the past twelve years, which for someone that stopped. Didn't wanna look a bike to get back into it in the biggest sore bike raising. You do the tour Britain for the first commissaire are always Mitch. I love chat with Tim little hold on for a bit longer than wait longer normal. But now going back into that and going into the tour and working alongside the biggest most stressful by raise plot. Most did you first or did you hate you must have not the most have been some parts where you're like, I ridiculous or not because dope, and we're still going massively twelve years ago. I hope it was obviously going on because the first few tours member one because they all got kicked off forever. But I did it. That was just good fun. It was good fun today. We had a good team got it was very Roger Hammond Hammond being asked to find it was quite difficult to tell you had to be first thing this language, speak languages, you had to be an ex pro rider, and obviously at the hall of July to be able to go. So there wasn't really that many candidates. So I saw manage to wait in different now, though, go on the tour every in basically a Wiltord team in peleton unday Schlick undies like Stephen Roach staff killings. Right. What's van summer when summer as well? So it's mentally talk about cycling, even those guys. They were like massive earners. You know, some woman bay front short was under Franklin and the. Mental where he think you look at are you when all massive is one to one zero bay, and I'm not big. But now the around with you. The friends look enough to race. But for them is so recent you'd surprise like for me, I've not fallen. I wouldn't if I stopped. It's not because I didn't look this ball is because I couldn't carry on trying to do all that train into be mediocre. You know, it's at the highest level you want to do it. And if you have to drop down cloud fuel levels at the age, I'm. I wouldn't hate this by just finding to difficult mentally to do it now that lower level. So I think for them guys half into stock for whatever reasons it were earn in so much money the career and then into stop and go and do that. It's unbelievable in it. Yeah. I suppose to Israel when you think about it. But I think okay, you say there a lot of money. There's not one person. Does bike riding because the money really your every single person started bike riding because they liked him and some bad nervous. Some people. Their highest. I'm vulnerable to finish club run of the people who win the funds, but every single person starts because I love bike riding. The money's really got nothing to do with it. So they want to still be involved in the probably the best way to volved in talk driving VIP's extreme every stage. Got the ARGUS go helicopter. They stay in nicest chateau's in France. So really the fact that I were champions doesn't take a why they left slightly as well on still be involved. I guess coffee. Seven a coffee break chump trial. Purple things crew a final switch full of sugar. We say finales sway is like what you have in the fine. Like a really strong jello when I was mature used to get pro plus pro caffeine, tablets and a few hours. What books he didn't? Well, you did have gels were massive. Here we go and stuff. So. Was one of the first people ever used to gel. I had a friend who was runner in Norwich. And it's found this New South African product called Lapins gels. And. Start using them. And then our member nobody near petroleum was rising in Portugal. I used to supply the whole peleton move Leppings jails point take back to put captain of industry. Another thing. Let's it really really. We've got we always have a lot of discussions over the phone. But there's not really a lot talk about after that. Really? I think he's just. For me, just Franks to timorous for doing it. But also Tim's been mental to learn a lot. So if you wanna come to Belgium, and you wanna be a pro cyclist, there's no person Timorese to learn from really? That was good fun. Yeah. Just. Cycling podcast is supported by science in sport, science and sport fueled by science, very very much to sciences sport for their support of the cycling podcast, and all we do is very much appreciated, and you can still get your twenty five percent of all your science and sport sports, nutrition products at science and sport dot com with the code SIS, CPI twenty-five SIS, see twenty-five at science and sport dot com. That was an interesting half our or so of conversation wasn't that Lionel it was what did you take from it? Because I took from it. The kind of pragmatism required to make cycling which is. An until a certain point. It's a leisure pursue a Hobie something you do for fun and then turning that into a career and that starts before anyone signs a pro contract. I think riders are becoming professional. If not in in name in spirit, a lot younger earlier, and Tim Harris is is there's no not really much romanticism is in some of that chat is quite paints quite different picture to the one that we see on TV, the kind of the, you know, the gritty Calama, but the glamour nonetheless, the sense that it's a hard job a making a living and staying in the sport is not necessarily easy. And it's not something that's for everyone yet, Tim Harris an antidote to the British system, which Adam was part of before he went off to Belgium in and lived with Tim for a bit and learn the ropes of professional cycling, and you do sense of both are kind of pragmatic in a way, both are and perhaps not romantic in in the way that some of us perceive, professional cycling cycle sport to be am. But but also quite. Different, you know, whereas British cycling, it was very much and numbers and science sport science at Tim, harasses, San antidote to that. He's a very much about learning the craft the profession of cycling, and I think that is very rooted in Belgium in funders, isn't that the idea that cycling there is is is a serious business with emphasis some business. And I think Tim is is is a is a great teacher in the is interesting. But you know, Blythe it was it was his last chance saloon in the way and going to Belgium in writing as an amateur there and trying to attract the interest of a professional team, and and the British and didn't work for him. But that that system did work for him, and Tim Harris was obviously crucial in that. He and Tim is know downbeat kind of down on us. As you know, positive. Always be always a word of encouragement. You know, I just sent of giving people young people essential their own personal responsibility. In a way, you belie to try and make it as a professional cyclist. But if you're going to do it, then give it everything you've got and. You know, I think there's some valuable life lessons for those who don't necessarily make in the sport as well. And I mean. Tim's a agree is a great people person. I mean, great enthusiasts. Then you know, he runs a chair business as well as as they mentioned, but he can seeming enthusiastic, but anything toll. He's one of these people, but amount white type car to remember Donyell talking about my white is being somebody who has kind of Ma white cloud of stored files where you could ask them out. Why a question about absolutely anything? And he would have an answer would have an opinion and marriages is kinda cut from the same cloth. He's he's very similar and very entertaining in that way as well. Tim's fool of opinions knowledge, and wisdom and not learned from, you know, books necessarily learned from from life, and yeah, he he's he's on social media, which maybe that maybe there's something in that lesson for all of us. And you've been listening to episode of cycling podcast money's which Moore. Thank you very much. Lionel. Thank you, Richard. You've been listening to the cycling podcast subscribe to a newsletter at the starting cost dot com to get all the latest news and special office delivered straight to your inbox. This episode was edited and produced by Tom Walley.

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A Darker Shade of Blue: The Murder of Lorraine Hendricks

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A Darker Shade of Blue: The Murder of Lorraine Hendricks

"True. Crime brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to true crime brewery. I'm Jill, and I'm dick a Florida woman. So the state patrol cars lights flashing behind her in. She wondered why she was being stopped. She didn't think she was speeding. She later told investigators, but she pulled her car onto the southbound shoulder of interstate ninety five and she waited is trooper Tim Harris approached her car trooper Harris asked her to get out of her car. Then he saw that she was obviously pregnant he gave her a warning ticket for driving six miles over the speed limit. And he let her go police would later speculate that the woman's pregnancy saved her life. The next woman pulled over by trooper Harris would not live to see another day Lorraine Hendrix, car was found abandoned on the highway and detective suspected that someone. She trusted was involved in her disappearance trooper Harris was seen as trustworthy yet. Actually been with the Florida highway patrol for eight years before that he'd also worked for local police departments and he'd earned several commendations. He was a married man with two young children. But a closer look would expose a very troubled, man. Join us today for a darker, shade of blue the terrifying story of a man who was called upon to serve and protect but turned into a very dangerous predator. So today's beer is a beer from Tampa. We've been to this brewery 'cause we visit Tampa frequently to visit our daughter this one is from angry cheer brewing. Both barrel aged imperial German cupcakes. Stout. Got all that sounds good. It is you would Qualis a dessert beer, like German chocolate cake is that pretty much Yemi. So it's jet black dark Brown head that disappears. Pretty quickly. Just lease a little ring around the edge wonderful, Roman taste cocoa. Coconut. The Noah bourbon little bit of some roast coffee type stuff translates nicely into the taste. It's pretty sweet as a thick chewy beer chilly. I love it. Let's open it up. We will. And we're gonna share. There's a whole crowd here tonight. They all wanna try some of the stout. All right. Well, we lucky that we found a spot at the quiet end because it is a busy night beautiful day today and people are out people were out in around today for sure absolutely nice day. But I think we can earn our spot by sharing some of this delicious beer. I know he can the love it. Okay. So why don't you? Go ahead and start our story today, which is really terrifying. It's changed the way that I behave when I drive actually a bit it. Sure is terrifying story. It's terrible. So Fred and Pat western Dorf moved from upstate New York to Florida in the nineteen fifties. They were a young couple and they had a baby boy named Martin nor the next several years they had three daughters. Cathy, Susan and Sandra Lynn Fred worked for the Vero beach press journal. He in pet supplemented their income with a paper delivery, route stocking newspaper machines in the early morning. Pat was the energetic and outgoing when in the. Marriage and their youngest Sandra Lynn family called her sandy she's a lot like her mother the west indoors worked hard to raise support. They're for children. They lived in the house that Fred's dad had owned a small house, but it was unin big latte full of trees in gardens when the three girls got older and needed more space. Fred Bilton place at the family called the dormitory out in back of the main house, and these girls were all very pretty two of them, married policeman. Susan in sandy their brother Martin moved back to New York but the west endorse daughters, all stay close to home, Kathy. And her husband raised kids in exotic birds in pets Susan worked at a Bank and Kathy and sandy eventually worked for the same real estate and investment firm. Every Thursday pet ner three girls met for lunch. Susan Mary done Dapitan who became a Cup when he was just twenty years old. He was a stocky muscular guy, very friendly in confident any may. -tective at the very young age of twenty three sandy met her Cup when she was still in high school, sandy was only sixteen and Tim Harris was twenty one Tim was already a police officer. In Sebastian Florida, the tiny town where sandy lived sandy was accompanying girlfriend who was seeing Tim's partner on the force. So sandy ended up sitting in talking with Tim for couple of hours. The next time. She saw Tim Harris was on Sunday January fourteenth of nineteen seventy nine a little after eleven pm. That's when sandy and her girlfriend were driving out near the airport, and they heard a siren and stuff lashing blue lights in the rear view mirror. The young policeman who walked up to the driver's side window was Tim Harris. He was smiling. And sandy thought that he was probably the best looking guy she had ever seen. He had soft Brown hair big green eyes and sandy was a popular girl. So she had plenty of choice to choose from. So for her to think that. That meant something. Now, she'd never considered dating an older, man. But she was starting to think about it when she met, Tim. So Tim says to her miss who is kind of semi serious. I'm afraid I'm going to have to arrest. You you violated a municipal ordinance. I'm sorry. But I'm going to have to write you up for violation of nine one six point eight three resisting an officer. Yes, he was acting business like any filled out a ticket on his clipboard, sandy answered his questions giving him her address height enter weight, and she saw him writing down blonde for her hair any at a smirk on his face as he filled in under is pretty instead of an eye color. So this was his way of being ler tasteless his way to pick up girls. Really, how cool I don't think. It's so cool. We can get into that a little sarcastic. I now. But I think it was a little bit creepy from the beginning would give me the cruise. He tore a copy of the ticket often handed it to. Her and he said you'll have to comply with the instructions there at the bottom and sandy Redwood Tim had written resisting this officer, but will fix that on one fifteen seventy nine at seven PM at city hall. This officer is off duty then in maybe sandy would like to go somewhere without Cindy. So yes, totally picking her up like almost forcing her to its gross or gets worse. Explain that she would have to report to headquarters or the arrest would stay on her record. But she knew that wasn't true y'all should do. So she didn't show up at the police station. The next night. I give her credit for that will for time helped her a little Kim didn't give up so easily. However for days later, he pulled sandy over again as she was driving through town this time he refused to return Sandy's driver's license after he has to see it. He said I'll be writing reports later at the station, and you can come pick up, your license, and we can talk. Yes. So this has to be against the. Rules. But he was good looking. And he thought he could get away with this stuff if she wanted her driver's license back sandy did have to go down to the police station. So she did. And she spent some time with Tim, then, but she didn't agree to a date with him. She believed that he was too old. He was out of school. He was an adult, and she was still a high school junior. She wasn't ready to be tied down to some serious relationship. And it wasn't that Tim frightened her though, he really didn't. Because he was a local boy, and he told her that he'd graduated from high school in seventy six not that long before he'd been attract star, and he'd excelled in the hurdles and the cross country. So he was popular athletic. He didn't seem creepy other than this kind of weird method. He had of picking up women. No, you know, her this is in the seventies. So or forty years ago, maybe maybe it was kinda more acceptable than but I would just have all sorts of red flags going off. If I was sandy. And this guy is hitting on me the way Tim was purposely pulling her over because he wanted her to go out with them. And let's not forget, she's sixteen. That's really young. She's not even at adult. Right. And I'll sandy knew about his family was that his dad had an important job at Cape Canaveral and his mother had a successful career as well. Sandy, probably said, no Tim on multiple occasions, but he kept showing up and every time she was out there. He was and women did not reject him. He had his sights set on Stacy in and sandy any thought he deserved her. So she eventually stopped avoiding him and agreed to meet him on a quiet road in her town of suggestion. He was on duty. But he asked her to meet him, but parking her car beh-. Hind. His now appearance certainly wouldn't have approved. If they had known about their sixteen year old daughter's romance with a twenty one year old guy. But by then sandy was infatuated and everytime. She saw Tim her feelings for him grew stronger. Finally came to Sandy's house in was introduced to her family. He did come across. Well, he was very polite. He looked very put together Sandy's father, light, Tim her mother. Pat wasn't so easily impressed, but petted always been very protective of her children, especially her daughters, and she never did become totally comfortable with Tim. There was just something about him. Trust your mother. That's right. If you don't listen to your mom, she recalled the first time that she met Sandy's new boyfriend. And she said Tim was weird. He was always creeping around. She remembered she told the story about one time when she heard the doorbell ring. But when she went to answer, it nobody was there, and Tim was hiding in the shrubbery beside the house sandy said it was because he was shy. But he was a grown man in a policeman. And it struck her as really odd that he would be playing games like that. And he was always like that kind of creeping around hiding and he liked to jump out at you. Now. Let's stop at that comment jumping out at you. You green river killer Ted Bundy referred this before a lot of killers enjoyed jumping out at women in scaring them wrote. Yeah. So there's a red flag for you. Rings, the doorbell and jumps in the bushes and hides. That's it's weird. Isn't it? Just to me. It's beyond weird. That's the way Tim Harris behaved walk around the house is head down. Like like, he was brooding about something, nevertheless, sandy fell more and more in love with him each day. Now part of it was as she is very flattered by his persistence it made her feel special. He would not take no for an answer any left or no time to see any other guys. She's a sixteen year old high school, girl, and this handsome policeman think she's the best thing ever gets all the tension. I think any young girl would be flattered by that high school kid. Yeah. Young. Now, I think a lot of grown women wouldn't be so flattered by it. But he was very handsome and his uniform. There's no denying that the high school boys that sandy new looked like children compared to him. And unfortunately as soon as sandy showed her love for Tim, though. That's when he change. Returned on her for the first weeks that she dated Tim. She believed that they were going steady. Even though he tormented her by flirting with their girlfriends. He seemed very shy in a way, but he was always coming onto other girls. And of course, that was embarrassing for her. But he didn't even seem to care that bothered her. In addition to flirting with her friends and ignoring her feelings, Tim was not dependable at all. Sometimes he showed up sometimes he showed up hours late and sometimes he didn't show up at all. He would tell sandy that he'd been out of town to visit his mother and sandy would always wait by the phone for Tim, which her mother hated that. She would do that. She hated to see any man treat her daughter with disrespect and she didn't really approve of this when anyway, Moshe Dayan, and that Justice respect, and you have to look at her daughter and say, no what's wrong with you. Why were you so subservient to this guy? Exactly, choose not good. But sandy defended him, and she always made. Excuses for one thing. She didn't know was a Tim was dating another girl just as much as he had been seeing her. Tim's unexplained absences finally grew to a point where sandy confronted him because his excuses are just unbelievable sandy asked around town and learned that the other woman was a pretty college student. She attended Auburn university just across the Alabama border. And she called sandy this woman told her that she intimidate going steady. How are we going to tangle with a college girl? She was very intimidated by that and when sandy confronted Tim with this. He did admit that he was seeing someone else. But he claimed that it wasn't serious. He said that he was trying to break up with this other woman, but it was complicated. And both of these young women were very deeply in love with Tim. Neither one of them were going to leave him and Tim seemed to love that he liked being wanted by these two young women and kind of toying with their emotions. So after sandy learn the Tim was engaged. To the college student she and her sister, Susan drove to Auburn and the visit made seventeen year old sandy feel very miserable. The other woman was wearing an engagement ring. Timid given her which she showed the Susan sandy and showed her wedding gown and bragged about the wedding plans there ended up being no wedding for Tim and his fiancee back in August seventy nine but sandy did finally break up with him. She wouldn't talk to him or see him. She felt like she couldn't trust him. But that August for Kane David left about a thousand people dead in the area, and it ended up bringing sandy and Tim back together. Tim called sandy told her he just had to be sure that she and her parents were okay now by this time it had been three months since she had talked to him. But sandy had secretly wanted him to come back to her. But he was still seeing the other woman. He was juggling both relationships, and he was lying to both women. So even though he had this other woman he had to have sandy back. He just couldn't be rejected by anyone into. Interesting. So the his engaged to this other woman, they have a wedding plan that never comes off and they stay together. Yeah. He both. I think the engagement was called off. But he didn't stop seeing her note that Christmas vacation in seventy nine the other girlfriend dropped out of college and moved in with Tim keeping him was apparently more important to her than her education. And sandy was crushed. She would have done anything to make him happy. And she was putting up with his lies in cheating hoping that he would come to his senses and just be with her. He bought Christmas presents for both of them. He told sandy he would break up with his live in girlfriend, and he was openly cruel to this girlfriend. He didn't fight sandy over to his apartment while the girlfriend was there any seemed to enjoy rubbing it in her face that he was bringing this seventeen year old over. So it's getting very dysfunctional. Yes. Isn't it? So this girlfriend lived with Tim for six months, and then she finally had enough and she moved out. She told her co workers that it was almost a relief to be done with him. She had showed up at work many times before with bruises. But she would never admit how she'd got them when when she was away from Tim. Finally, she did seem like a happier person. And no one sub bruises on her anymore. So she really dodged a bullet. They're ripping so so by this time in nineteen eighty Cindy had won him Harris for herself big price looking back. She probably foot winning Winnington was not such a victory for 'cause life with Tim was never easy when they did get back together, sandy was much less trusting of Tim he had betrayed her too many times for her to ever forget that she tried to believe when he apologized 'cause she wasn't the type of person hold a grudge. And she couldn't stay angry with him. After all Tim was her soulmate. She loved him. While from the time he was in junior high. Timid always had a girlfriend he stayed with each girl for a year or two, and then he was always the one who did the breaking up and moved on to the next girl right away. Sometimes this even overlapped where he wasn't finished with one girl. He was already onto the next one. But the thing about him was he would never let a woman reject him. If one of them tried to leave him, it would be a big drama, and he would try and fight to get her back and then set it up. So he was the one who eventually did the leaving with sandy. He would never accept her decision to leave him. There was something very wrong with Tim's feelings about women apparently while he flirted and charm them there was a part of him that disrespected, and maybe even hated women men who knew Tim recognized his contempt for women male co workers reported that they would be driving down the street, and Tim would hang out the window and kala woman a slut or make obscene gestures at her. It was just beyond inappropriate. This is a grown, man. A policeman. Here's a piece of work. Yeah. You could say that timid always wanted to be a policeman when his parents, divorced. He lived with his father and stepmother in order that he could graduate high school stay in the town where he knew people who could help and get started and law enforcement. He had always been a good worker, although his father George had a good job as draughtsman working in the space program and his mother Virginia worked as an executive secretary. Tim was one of six kids big family that grew up near Washington DC in Alexandria, Virginia. Cheap place to live. No, not even back then. So a six kids would be expensive. Tim was actually born in April of nineteen fifty eight and he was their second child. These were all good looking kids with Brown hair and blue green eyes in nineteen sixty five George and his wife for Jinya. Tim's mom, moved their family to satellite beach. And that's where George had accepted the job in the space program. Tim worked during summer vacations and school breaks, usually at Disney World in Orlando the summer after he graduated high school he worked as a busboy for a restaurant in DisneyWorld that fall he took community college classes that he hoped would help him get a job as a policeman as that was the goal in January of nineteen seventy seven Tim was sponsored by the satellite beach. Police department to take the basic police, training course at Brevard community college. Tim finish the course in April of seventy seven and he couldn't find a police job right away. So he joined the US army reserve, and he attended military police school until that Ocober counselor at provide community college wrote a letter recommending Tim to the mayor of Melbourne village, Florida as a good candidate for their police force. So in November of nineteen seventy seven Tim was hired as a police officer for the millburn village police department. Nope, burn village was a tiny town in provide county with a police force of only two or three offices. There wasn't much to do there. But it was a beginning. Tim was on his way and he wanted to become a Florida highway patrolman. But at this point, he was only nineteen and he was a he was voted Melbourn village police officer of the year while he was there. Well, if there's only two or three others. Would have had to have some time. That's right. The wards just got passed back and forth among the two or three guys. So Tim was the only one on the force who hadn't gotten that honor. When he got it. So it was just kind of bound to have it wasn't anything special like it might sound. And actually, the police department was concerned about reports it received about Tim Harris there were allegations that Tim was using his badge and his status to stop young women sometimes taking their licenses so they would have to meet him to get their license back pro he learned his MO early. So that's what he done with sandy. Also, Tim had allegedly arrested a motorist for having an expired temporary tag. When there was a valid tag in the back seat. But he just kinda lost his cool and overreacted also troubling was that Tim drove the squad car, very fast and recklessly. So he was given three choices. He could resign from there. He could be fired or he could be put on probation and Tim chose to resign. But still the police chief gave him a glowing letter of recommendation which looking back we could really criticize him for that. We've done a few cases of this. They Michael Swango comes to mind. People kept writing glowing letters. Yeah. Just kinda passing the buck. Exactly. Yeah. And I think from their standpoint, you're right. If they write something less than what Tori should come down on. Exactly. So that's void. All that. Trouble will just say he resigned, and he was a great cop. Yes. But he was actually a dangerous man already here is what nineteen twenty years old young. But I guess they're excuse at this point was all he'll outgrow it. He's just young sure. But with each new job application, Tim explained that he had resigned from the department because he was very unhappy with the department explaining that, they didn't live up to his professional standards. So since the Melbourne village police department soon closed down whatever problems Tim had there. There were just forgotten any had a clean slate. Anyway, for a while he worked installing aluminum, doors and windows, and he told this employer that he didn't plan on staying with them for long because he was going to have a big career in law enforcement in a nineteen seventy eight Tim gut his job with the Sebastian Florida. Police department sandy is due to graduate high school in June of nineteen eighty but she didn't have to attend school for the last six months because you already had all the credits. So she's working in the public supermarket in the bakery. She was good at managing money. And she saved as much as she could sandy also came to the conclusion fairly quickly that Tim was not very frugal. He lived way beyond. His means. There's always something he wanted to buy. So he didn't smoke drink didn't do drugs. So it seemed okay that he wanted to buy things he wanted to own his own home since his parents had divorced. Timid never felt he belonged anywhere. Every once in awhile. Tim would let Sani think might get married someday. She wanted to believe him. But you still interesting things going really well between Tim and sandy in the beginning. She knew he still flirted with other girls, and she suspected that he sometimes did more than that. But she really loved him. This was her first love, and if Tim had some wild oats left, so she decided she'd wait around for him to grow out of it. She just really wanted to be the woman who would be there. When all the others were gone and would be his lifelong love one day, sandy was visiting timid his apartment when she answered the door and a hysterical. Young woman a waitress from a local restaurant rushed in and said that she was pregnant with Tim's baby. Sandy didn't say anything, but she pointed toward the bedroom where Tim was still in bed when Tim saw this crying waitress. He pulled the covers over his head and wouldn't face her. When she left him started to cry in sandy estim- some questions about win. He had slept with this woman. But he obviously didn't know anything about pregnancy. Because it was too soon. Soon for her to even know if she was pregnant, so it was either a false alarm, or this woman was making up pregnancy to get Tim's attention. But Tim was relieved and sandy once again forgave him. Tim was the first guy sandy ever had sex with. He would be the only man for many years. The first time she slept with him. She was just seventeen and she was very disappointed. There was no foreplay. No kissing. No loving words. He just threw her on the bed and had intercourse with her and she hoped that their sex life would improve but she wasn't the type who would ever complain. So she didn't say anything to Tim about it. I imagine the kind of guy Tim was he really wouldn't take it. Well, not very opened a constructive criticism. Probably not so in the summer of nineteen eighty can begin to talk more seriously about marriage. This time though, sandy wasn't ready and she tried to stall him. She wanted to be sure of him before she committed to him for life. She believed probably wrongly. The tomb would be faithful once they were married, but she didn't wanna rush it. Tim at the same time had become dependent on sandy to manage his life in the late summer. Tim found a small house in Sebastian heights. It wasn't fancy, but it wasn't new. It had about nine hundred square feet of space and ahead. A little garage. Tim was making about sixteen thousand dollars a year. And he didn't have the down payment on the forty six thousand dollar asking price. But he was installing some lighting for a contractor and he managed to buy the house without a down payment. So he had a mortgage. She had truck payments a Sears card in a MasterCard. So sandy helped him she took over the management of his finances. And she also shared her money with him. So it was sandy who made sure the mortgage was paid on time. But the problem was Tim soon got bored with his new house as he had a tendency to do it wasn't big enough. And he wanted things desperately until he got them. And then things in people began to lose their appeal to him. He always needed something new and something more in order to be happy. So even when he got something he didn't feel satisfied for very long. There's always something better around the corner. Yes, which he didn't have the money for their already over extended just paying for the house the truck the cards. Yeah. In December of nineteen eighty Tim and sandy went out together and picked out her engagement ring Cindy picked a date in April for the wedding. But then they settled on July of nineteen eighty one in their wedding pictures. They looked happy despite the fact that he was handsome and photogenic Tim hated to have his picture taken. He smiled for the camera. But behind her back who's pinching sandy hard to let her know he was not happy and their sex life. Didn't get any better after their marriage for their honeymoon. They drove up through Georgia North Carolina for Tim's brother's wedding on the following Saturday. They saw the smoky mountains and chimney rock on the road trip. It seemed the sandy. They really had a clean slate ahead of them. Tim would be faithful they would have babies, and they would spend the rest of their lives together. So during the honeymoon they stayed with Tim's family in West Virginia. Which was pretty uncomfortable for sandy. Tim's mother Virginia in one of his sisters had driven to Florida for Tim Sandy's wedding. So sandy met her new mother-in-law for the first time on the day before her wedding. So it was difficult to spend four days of her honeymoon with people that she barely knew in the family wedding pictures. Tim's right arm was behind sandy he was pinching her. But of course, the camera didn't show that part sandy thought it was really weird that she knew next to nothing about Tim's family. He didn't talk much about them. And when he did he was very negative, especially about his mother and his stepmother, he was especially angry that his father had divorced his mother. And he blamed the stepmother for that instead of his father. He lived with his father and stepmother until he graduated from high school. But for some unknown reason he was no longer. Welcome in their home. Sandy never found out. Why the only time sandy ever met? Tim's father was at her wedding. Even though the only lived in our away. So very strange very, isn't it as a lot going on behind the scenes there that we just don't know about with Tim's family Renault. So one of Tim's lifelong dreams came true in February of nineteen eighty two. He applied to the Florida highway patrol for job as a trooper the highway patrol put applicants through multiple physical, mental and psychological tests, Tim filled out forms asking about his life, his family and his former jobs the highway patrol did background checks, and Tim and his family and they didn't find a blemish on anyone's record Florida highway patrol. Investigators talked with Sandy's and Tim's next door neighbors on both sides and at that time, thanks to Sani. Tim had an excellent credit rating. He listed his debts as thirty four thousand gopher Atlantic mortgage for the house two hundred fifty. To Susan Roebuck and hundred fifty two master charge. No late payments on the record. Yes. He was hired. And he was very thrilled. He resigned from the Sebastian police department and prepared to attend the Florida highway patrol sixty fifth recruit training school which began that may of eighty two and finished that August. So this meant that he had to leave sandy for three months while he was up at the state capital and talahassee that summer was one of the most romantic times in their marriage. According to sandy while he was living at the highway patrol academy. Sandy drove the sixteen hours roundtrip to see him every other weekend. She had a fulltime job. So she couldn't leave until Saturday to go see him and she had to return again Sunday. So that was a lot of driving. But for her the drive was worth that. During these times, he seemed more romantic more attentive to her than he did during any other time during their marriage. And maybe it was the separation that made him act nicer to her not sure. The Florida highway patrol's class recruits went to class each day from eight to five five days a week and most of Saturday intense classwork, it was very intense program. They learn how to preserve evidence had a lifting prints and had an interview and interrogate suspects and witnesses. There were radar and other speed measurements devices to learn how to use Tim's main interest in law enforcement was traffic. He did very well in criminal investigation, including awas and things happen to work out. Well for them, so many completed his training. He was assigned to the Fort Pierce district in nearby Vero beach close enough that they didn't have to relocate, which was the exception. Because most of the troopers did when they started out. So they kind of had a favor done for them by people. They knew sounds like some things didn't change though as sandy hope they would after they were married because Tim wasn't interested in socializing with other couples. He would go fishing sometimes with another. Trooper and he and his brother-in-law Don were both cops. So they played cards with dawn and Susan once in a while Tim didn't drink at all though, he actually seemed to have an aversion to L Kahal, and people knew him would say that they think it was because he didn't like to lose any kind of control of himself. He always liked to know exactly what he was doing. Although lots of times what he was doing was not great had definitely had a temper. So I wonder if alcohol would have made that worse probably might have been a real mean drunk if he ever got drunk, but even when they were dating Tim had used some physical force to control sandy, and he continued to do that in their marriage. He would twist her arm behind her back if she said anything he didn't like or pincher at the top of her thighs between her legs, which really hurt. But nobody could see it. He wanted everything done his way that was for sure he had the newest and best car the biggest boat in all the newest technology, and he would beg sandy to buy whatever it was that. He. Head to have like she was the mom, and he was a child sometimes sandy gave in and sometimes she stood up to him. She had managed their finances. And she knew what they could afford. What they couldn't she'd been with Tim for three years by then and she knew that he got bored with each new thing. And then he would want something else. Very frustrating. Was besides frustrating. As a problem sandy made about fifteen thousand a year to made a little over twenty two thousand. So they couldn't afford a new car a new boat anew house or a new baby on their income. And then Santa got pregnant, and Tim seemed happy about the baby. But he thought that sandy should still do everything the way she did before she got pregnant lifting things working two jobs, and of course, having sex whenever he wanted. Sometimes she couldn't do all that he expected of her and he was off in a noise and cruel to her. There was no question about what they would name the baby there because Tim had decided for himself before they were even married that if he ever had a daughter her name would be Jennifer Lynn in a son would be Timothy junior. These were the names that he had picked up for his children in sandy had no input at all. And she continued to work fulltime as the secretary and to deliver morning papers on a two AM route. She worked in area where there were apartment house. Houses and she had to carry too heavy sex through the entire route of six hundred customers that was heavy work for a pregnant woman on the morning before their daughter, Jennifer was born sandy as Tim to drive her hunter route when they got home. He was mad at her because she was uncomfortable. And she didn't know whether she should go to the hospital or not by the time. She realized she was in labor. She was in pain and Tim did have to drive her to the hospital when I got to the emergency entrance. Tim drove right by to the parking lot. His still mad at her and told her you're gonna walk bitch. Can you imagine that? I love you too, Honey. So they're baby. Jennifer, Lynn, Harris. Their daughter was born just five hours after they arrived there and Tim refused to go into the labor room. But he did seem proud of his daughter after she was born sandy rationalized staying with him because he didn't drink any worked hard. And she thought he would be a good dad, but also no inter family had ever been divorced. So she really wasn't consider. Being that divorce would be an option for her. No matter how unhappy she was. Tim's brother-in-law done Depp. And put him was pretty strange there were friends because they're married two sisters, and because they were police officers, but that been filled him was a loner them love boats. He lived to catch drunk drivers. Besides those things is hard to find anything to talk to him about when he did know was it, Tim literally hated women once when Tim came home after working fatal accident sandy noticed that the tragedy didn't seem to affect him at all sometimes he'd come home and say we had a really good accident tonight. It was neat. So that's bizarre. Very, but sandy continued to keep her marriage problems mostly to herself she actually felt like she was doing something wrong. Tim liked everything to look perfect on the surface. Any would have been really angry? If she told anyone about their problems than he found out. So they wanted to bigger place. They bought a plot of land and built a three thousand square foot house. And that was after she talked him down. He actually wanted to build a six thousand square foot house. Not much income, but he was able to do most of the work himself. But then as time passed, and they lived in this new home, he lost interest in it and the house kinda fell into disrepair because he didn't wanna fix anything anymore amendments eighty seven Tim put in a request to work as a canine officer. This would involve getting a dog and be sent to canine training and Fort Lauderdale. So he was excited when he is given orders to report to canine school his dog was named shadow. Tim spent weeks training his Doug. He built the pen for shadow out beside their new house. Otherwise, dude is didn't really change. She still investigated accidents may DUI arrests and route speeding tickets, right? Because he was waiting for something to come through where they would do more work with the dogs, and I guess that never really happened. But he's got a cool dog very nice looking dog. But kind of intimidating dog as well. Sure. Yeah. Why don't you tell her audience about our sponsor today? Hey, you need if. 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They lived in several different posts Lorraine was a talented swimmer. And she earned her senior lifesaving badge when she was sixteen Lorraine was very pretty too and she won beauty contests. She was miss Stamford, Connecticut. Nineteen sixty seven and then I runner up to miss Connecticut. She had a real talent for languages as well. She went to the university of Connecticut, and she became fluent in French German Spanish and polish now she hadn't been so nice. She may have made other women jealous, but she was very nice. And she wasn't at all conceited. Love little kids and animals shoes. Adventurous, and she would try anything once just as long as it didn't go against her own moral code. She was a drummer in a rock n roll band for a while she climb mountains swung off the Monroe PTS. And she tried parachuting much more adventurous than I am. Well, maybe when you were twenty you're. Like that too. Now, I wasn't Khokar Lorraine was once Mr. short of graduating from college when she dropped out and she married John BoyZone in nineteen seventy seven she was so happy with him. John wanted to be professional musician. And they lived in the Miami area for ten years. She was very attractive like I said, so she modeled for a while to help support his ambition. But then Lorraine John divorced after eleven years together. Lorraine would later say that they gave up too easily, and they could have made the marriage work. But after the divorce both of their careers really took off John joined a locally successful band. He owned a sound stage and rented out musical equipment. The rain spent fourteen years in Fort Lauderdale working as a promotional marketing executive. She was full of good ideas. And she enjoyed being around people after being single for two years. She met Rick Hendrix, an executive with Eastern Airlines and a captain in the army. Reserve Lorraine fell in love with Rick and they were married just six weeks after. They met. So that was a quick courtship. Certainly was so Lorraine was in her thirties by then and she was wanting a family when she was thirty eight she became pregnant in June of nineteen eighty four. She had a baby girl she named Kathryn. She took a sabbatical from work until Catherine was old enough to attend school Lorraine cooked grandmother's recipes for traditional polish dishes and would prepare an Easter feast Liker ancestors had served in Poland. She also worked with polish families who immigrated to help them set up their households in America in eighty eight. Rick Hendrix was offered a job as an executive with Blue Cross, but he had to relocate the family from Fort Lauderdale to Jacksonville. It turned out that Lorraine Rick had very little in common except for their love for their daughter, Katherine, and they started realizing that after a while Lorraine was very physical woman who enjoyed the outdoor life and in the beginning of their marriage. They had done those types of things together. But then Rick started. Ding, all of his energy into his career. He liked to stay home and relax on the weekends and Lorraine was bored. They did try to make the marriage work for their daughter, Katherine sake. But the eventually did file for divorce when Catherine was almost six Lorraine opened up her own PR firm in Jacksonville. She called it Laura lie promotions LTd, then it was in may eighty nine when Lorraine met a new love, suddenly she's in her forties and her life is seeming to change for the better her career was expanding. And she was in love neither Lorraine nor this man knew if their relationship could continue to be as perfect as it seemed in the beginning. But her friends would say, she was giddy like a high school girl around the same time, Tim invited sandy out for dinner. This was September eighty nine and sandy was surprised and excited. But this evening was brutal in sandy would never completely get over it. It was to have been a birthday celebration for sandy Tim would be working night shift on her birth. Day. So he told her they would celebrate early. They hardly ever went out in the evening together and hired a sitter. So it's kind of a special occasion. But their food had just arrived. When Tim said, I think, you should know. I'm seeing another woman sandy was taken completely off guard because she knew that Tim flirted, but she hadn't even considered that he might be having an affair. She thought he had been faithful since they got married. So after Tim broke this news to sandy he expected their marriage to go on as usual. But Santana's obsessed about this you needed to know the details of the affair, even though she was dreading the answers. So Tim finally confessed everything and sandy was shocked to learn that he had been having this affair for four years syndicate her failing marriage from her family hoping still at there would be some way to save it. She knew that when she told her mother her mom would never forgive him. Now, Tim promised her that he wouldn't see the other woman anymore. Sandy didn't believe him. We've heard. That story before exactly. So I would she believe him, but he did agree to try marriage counseling. He promised that. He was no longer cheating, and then he wanted to make his marriage work. But it turned out that he was lying to both sandy and the counselor, and it didn't take long for sandy to find out. The Tim was still saying other women as much as ever when night Tim was called out by the dispatcher, but his patrol car was being repaired. He told sandy is going to drive a truck to another troopers house and borrows patrol car. So sandy weight of a few minutes, and she called the other trooper NASA speak to Tim, of course, he wasn't there. He was out with the other woman says she finally filed for divorce after that incident. And this was late November of eighty nine. Tim really freaked out though, he was shocked that sandy would actually leave him he begged her to change your mind he'd really treated her like shit. But now that she was leaving. He suddenly couldn't live without her in his mind sandy actually belonged to him. She was more of a possession. Then a partner in life in sandy was a really beautiful woman. But Tim finally seemed to realize that he was obsessed with controlling her. Susan, Don Knapp in new the situation, and they tried to mind their own business. But Tim was really getting scary. He was jealous of sandy. And he lost his mind when he realized that she was not going to take him back. Don had seen men who would rather see a woman dead than let her go. And this is what he was seeing with Tim. He'd never thought Tim was normal to begin with. And now as behavior was very unpredictable. Dan, worried about what Tim might do next. He hoped that. Tim's career is a cop which had always been really important him would keep him from doing anything crazy when would hope and undescended ninth nineteen eighty nine. Tim's obsession reached a new level. Cindy sister, Susan had invited her to go to the uptown lounge in Vero beach with her who was a Saturday night. Dine was working Tim photo. Sandy and Susan to the Vero beach police department where they stopped into seed time before going to the uptown. Don heard shouting in the hallway walked out to see Tim, glaring, his wife, sandy Tim seemed to be totally out of control in a rage. Donna try to stay out of their marital problems, but Tim had gone too far this time so Don told him to leave Tim lift in a huff peeling out of the parking lot. So done followed Susan's car to the parking lot behind the lounge to make sure Tim was stalking them within a couple of minutes. Tim came running towards sandy shouting, sandy come home. You supposed to be with me, Tim insisted that he had a talk with her made this huge scene dined in when arrest him. So he called another officer and asked him to keep an eye on Tim, Tim was a state trooper. So they wanted to keep the situation as low key as possible. But if he tried anything violent they're ready to take him in, but Tim return to that bar twice that night. And finally sandy gave in went home with him. He actually left the place with her in a headlock, but sandy didn't wanna get him fired from his. Job. So she just said, it's okay. I'm just going to go with them. Now after that, Don went to a supervisor in explained his concerns about Tim because things were really getting out of control very worried about sandy and the children. So the Florida highway patrol did know about the divorce and about Tim's out of line behavior. Also, his job performance was deteriorating. But it wasn't enough for them to find him unfit for duty. At least not yet, the uptown incident had happened when he was off duty, and it was considered a domestic dispute the supervisor decided to keep an eye on the situation, but they didn't take any disciplinary action against him Harris at this point. So Tim did move out. Sandy wasn't taking back. Yep. Planted tape recorders in the house after the move, and he taped all Sandy's phone calls who had also break into the stairs to the house at night Pleming into the large outdoor dog pin crowing into the kids room and sleeping there. So that's pretty creepy. I don't think that would fly nowadays. No Lorraine Hendrix back to her. She left her home in Jacksonville at eight AM on Sunday March fourth and she had a busy schedule, and she often drove to fast, she could be very impatient about getting where she needed to go. She'd had eight speeding tickets in the previous seven years, which she didn't know as she left for her trip on March fourth was that her license had already been suspended her notification was in the mail, but she hadn't gotten it yet. But that wasn't a huge deal because she could get it back. I'll she had to do was pay. Some speeding tickets lorraine's parents were babysitting. Her daughter, Catherine and the rain called her dad from the road about ten AM to ask things were going to talk to her little girl and tell her should be home the next day after that. There was no there were no more calls from from Lorraine Lorraine didn't show up as expected at a friend Carol's house in fort. Lauderdale that Sunday afternoon by one pm, but Carroll wasn't worried right away. She expected Lorraine to be a little late and she had no phone in the house for Lorraine to collar on. But then by three Carol expected Lorraine to be there, and she was getting annoyed. It really wasn't like Lorraine to just blow her off and not show up. Lorraine's mum Jodie called Carol about five o'clock to see if Lorraine was with her and she wasn't lorraine's father called every highway patrol office along her path on the interstate. And none of the offices had any report on her. Then it was midnight. And no one had still heard from Lorraine. So people are getting worried she didn't meet up with the real estate agent shoes supposed to at six PM, and she filled. The keeper dental appointment the next morning Monday. Her parents called everyone they could think of to see if they might have heard from Lorraine, but no one had by Monday, March fifth Marin was listed as missing person in the state of Florida her physical description the. Clothes. She had worn her birthdate at her home address role on file so lorraine's family and friends tried to tell them selves at nothing could have happened to her on a sunny Sunday afternoon. She wouldn't have picked up a hitchhiker, and she had planned no stops between Jacksonville and Fort Lauderdale. If she'd been in an accident, the highway patrol would know, and they would have notified her family, then lorraine's car was found, but they found no trace of Lorraine or her purse or wallet or her glasses Florida highway patrolman, Mike trans you who's patrol district included the same stretch of I ninety five through Indian river, and Saint Lucie counties that Tim Harris worked was on the day shift on that Monday. And he was the one who found her car. It was just before noon and he saw the nineteen eighty two silver Honda Accord parked on the right shoulder of the southbound. I ninety five transit pulled in behind the Honda any walked around it. And there was no one in the car, but both of the front. Doors were unlocked, and there was a red briefcase a thirty five millimeter camera a blue and tan tote bag with expensive running shoes in it a makeup bag a watch headphones red suitcase and a blue windbreaker inside. Now, these were items that a passer-by might steal. So he guests that the car hadn't been there. Very long. It seemed that nothing was missing but the keys purse wallet. And of course, Lorraine herself Lorraine soon to be ex husband. Rick Hendrix, had the spare keys to the car. And after the car was towed he came to the impound yard, and he met with investigators the car started without a problem. So that pretty much ruled out car trouble. As the reason why she had parked on the side of the highway investigators interviewed, Rick, and Lauren's parents. They all said that Lorraine would never pick up a hitchhiker should stop the she saw a turtle in the road. And try to help it across the street or she would stop for police car. So on March eighth during a search of three. Mile area. Ran were Lawrence card been found detective, Phil Williams found the rains body in a wooded section of the median the medical examiner concluded that she had died by strangulation on March fourth. They found a fracture of the thyroid cartilage in the neck concealed hemorrhage deepen the neck tissues and a contusion injury on the front of her left shoulder. Also, someone positioned her naked body. So that our legs extended on either side of a pine tree and she was face down. So the tree trunk rose. Like a creepy phallic symbol between her buttocks. She couldn't have fallen that way. Someone strong would have had to grab her by the feet and Drager backward until her genitals were up against the tree. So it really made. It seem like it was some kind of sick sex crime posing the buddy. Yeah. Very bad. So detective, Phil Williams work the case. And he kept thinking about lorraine's family saying that to stop for a turtle or a cop. Could there be police involvement? It could have been a cop or some dress like a cop Ted Bundy Williams remembered he used that technique effectively by denting himself as a policeman before he lured his victims away from shopping malls, college campuses. All it took was a fake badge. It pretty much anyone could buy and they were things in the case that went along with the Cup or an ex-cop is the killer. The turnaround road through the pine woods median, and I ninety five was used pretty much exclusively by police, very few civilians even knew that it was there and also lorraine's license registration where missing her while in credit cards had been found around the time they found her body. But there was no sign of her license or her car registration, and as you know, a driver's license. Vehicle registration are the things the cop s for when he pulls you over. So I think that was a big clue there seems to be right. Yeah. Definitely. But if Lauren who've been stopped by policemen. There wasn't any record of it. The only time Lorraine. Played had been run through the system was win trooper might transit entered it when he found her abandoned car and March fifth so investigators looked at any warning tickets given out in that area on March fourth and among the warning tickets turned into the Florida highway patrol was when the trooper Tim Harris had written to a woman that we will Laura at ten forty eight in the morning on March fourth at state road nine just not far from where lorraine's card and found. Sandy Harris said called detective Williams on March twenty four th her estranged husband Tim had broken into her home and attacked her. He wanted to have sex with her, and he showed her that he was wearing black lace panties and pantyhose and neither of these items belonged to sandy she felt certain that he was going to rape killer that night, but she agreed that they would get back together. And she somehow convinced him to leave the house that night. But now sandy was terrified of Tim. And she was actually beginning to think he might be a killer. She took her kids, and she went to stay with her sister Susan and her husband done, and then she filed for restraining order against him, which is probably something she should've done a long time ago before that sure. So had she heard about the murder disappeared woman. She knew this tilles investigate him. Why shouldn't call about that? But I'm sure she had heard about it goose's after this all occurred. Yes. But she didn't call the say she thought he'd done that. No, no. Shoes word for her own safety and her child safety. Yes, there to children now because she had a son after she had Jennifer she had a Tim junior her. So they actually had two kids by now I forgot to mention him to little kids through little kids. Yeah. Both men the way the comparison of the named the way he'd plan before even met sandy. Yes. So detective Williams wondered why Tim Harris it stopped Laura forgoing only five miles over the speed limit. He located her at her home and asked her if she remembered being pulled over by trooper, Tim Harris, and boy did she remember he remembered very well. She said that he stopped her for speeding. And she knew she wasn't speeding. She actually had a radar detector on that had not activated. He insisted that she was going six miles over the limit. And she knew that she was only going about sixty four miles an hour and a sixty five mile an hour zone. She said that the trooper who stopped you're headed dog with him and she'd been annoyed when he directed. Her to step out of. Her car and walked back toward his vehicle. But when she got out, this is when his attitude changed, she was very pregnant. It was obvious any might not have noticed that when she was in the car, but he couldn't miss it when she stepped out. So he told her that he had clocked. Her speed it seventy one miles an hour, and he wrote her a warning ticket and then an irritated her. But then he said, which was ATI said you can just throw that away. It doesn't mean anything. So she left that stop feeling very creeped out like she just missed something horrible happening to her. She heard. Yes. So she had been traveling alone and she confided that she'd been suspicious of the way the officer behaved. He had been polite and professional but through something about him that made her uneasy and she'd been quite upset by the encounter. She knew. She was speeding and the trooper had of known that too it sounded as of she'd been stop when she wasn't speeding and that Harrison only told her to tear up the ticket after he had her. Get out of the car, and he could see she was pregnant so that that would definitely put some ice water in my veins. Yeah. Yeah. So the detective detective Williams wanted to talk to Tim Harris. And if Harris suspected that Williams was interested in talking to him about Lorraine Hendrix murder. It was likely that he would be defensive. But if he thought that Williams was only investigating the domestic dispute with sandy Williams thought that would be easier. So that's what he was calling him up in mentioning sandy agreed to meet with Williams her complaint to the sheriff's office about Tim's attack on her was officially logged in a battery sandy was terrified by what Tim had done to her. But she was even more afraid of her deep suspicion that timid done something more horrible than she could have imagined sandy told Williams that timid threaten to rape her several times while he had her pinned to the floor and handcuffed and that he had also threatened to kill both of them with a gun if she didn't come back to him. Then she told the detective about the women's undergarments that he had been wearing she agreed David tape recorder attached to reform at her office. So that Tim's phone calls to her would be recorded. She had a restraining order against him and she'd moved back into her house, but Tim did continue to be able to visit with their children detective Williams interviewed Tim, Harris. And Tim's version of the night of March twenty fourth was very different from Sandy's. He insisted the sandy had wanted a back. Rub. And that she enjoyed wrestling and playing around with the handcuffs in his version. It had been sandy who had kept luring him back home, and it was sandy who had been suggesting sexual access you hundred try Tim, explain it. He would do anything to get sandy Beck that he denied that. He had brought any women's underwear to Sandy's house detective Williams checked with Lorraine Hendrix, friends and her estranged husband is sue kind of lingerie. She usually wore Moran at often wore black lace panties. But no one could identify the black panties left and sandy Harris. Home is definitely be willing to Lorraine they were size. But there are now stretched from being won by two hundred pound man, sandy had made a criminal complaint for the time. Tim attacked or in the lace underwear any at handcuffed. Her so tightly that her wrists were black and purple. He was taken off the road. And he was given administrative duties detective Williams suspected him now of lorraine's murder, but the police had been unable to find any physical evidence against him at all when asked if he would take a polygraph. Tim said that he would knowing that Tim knew all the political I in the area Williams asked him to pick which one he would like to have administer the test to him Tim stalled. But then he did give permission for a squad car to be searched. Whenever Williams go to close in discussions with Tim about the ran Hendrix's murder to mood dig in his heels. So he did not kill her. It did not stop her it ever. Seen her Tim said he'd been looking for drug runners, and he definitely had not been out there looking for single women to stop Tim agreed to take a polygraph. But on the day he was supposed to take it. He called Williamson said he had hired an attorney who advised him against it. So it had taken many calls to get Tim to come in. And give an official statement. If he didn't confess to strangling and Hendrix, there's a good chance. He's gonna walk away because without a confession. They really had nothing. Even with a confession conviction might not be assure thing. However, the circumstantial evidence was accumulating the search of Tim's patrol car has shown that he was a man preoccupied with sex. He was a guy who got off on the power that is uniform in his position gave him over women. They had found carbon copies of tickets where he'd written comments on female drivers, measurements breast size legs and overall. Sexiness also hidden among his possessions, where he never thought anyone could find them were two cartoons. When look too. So it might have been xeroxed kind of dirty joke that high school or junior high boys might pass around while the other one they thought that he had drawn himself. It was drawn in pencil on pad like a line pet of paper. And this one showed a nude woman kneeling at a state patrolman's feet and asking trooper Harris. Are you sure I'm doing this? Right. And the trooper answer's yes, this is the new Breathalyzer test. So that's pretty gross. It is that something like a twelve year old might or no question. Yeah. Not something you'd expect an adult man to be carrying around with them. No. So the after noon of Friday, April six. For weeks after Phil Williams said discover, the rain Hendrix body, Tim came to the state attorney's office for an interview, and he did not bring an attorney when asked about Sunday March fourth Tim recalled that he had set up his stationary radar near the wooded median, and this was between ten and eleven AM. He denied that he had ever gone down into the woods in the median. He said he'd just been they're sitting profiling drivers he could see inside the cars coming at enough to see how many people were inside if they were black or white, male or female, if they had tinted glass in their windows, and he remembered the pregnant driver, Laura and insisted that she was speeding Tim said he had left the median strip area just fifteen or twenty minutes after giving Laura the warning ticket and the only ticket he had given that day was to a black man who was speeding into the high nineties. Tim said he had turned back north toward his brother. David. House at the end of his shift, and he slept there that night, and then he had the next two days off for Williams. Turn the conversation back to the polygraph, and Tim city just didn't wanna take it. He said he'd taken one eight years before when he applied for the patrol, and it had shown his being deceptive about a time he'd been stopped by policemen. He'd been telling the truth the polygamy for head is driving record right there in front of him. But idly Tim's answered come up that he is hiding something. So he hadn't trusted the polygraph ever since and Tim continued to deny killing the rain. But after the interview continued he finally said that he had had consensual sex with her and that he had left the site before she did when he left he said, she was fine. And now he felt horribly guilty that he didn't make sure she was safe in back in her car before he left. So we're getting one of these kind of gradual confessions little by little here. That's a bad mood. Can't go changing your story. You know that I know that. Yes, I know that but he killed somebody. So we're glad that he's confessing. Right. Tim went on to say that Lorraine wasn't stopped for speeding. He'd actually pulled her over for wearing headphones and no one, but the investigative team knew that Lorraine Hendrix routinely. Didn't listen to music through headphones? While she drove in no one else knew that they had found her headphones in the car. Either. Then information had not been published in any paper. Tim said Lorraine Hendrix had been so starved for sex though, that she had offered to have both intercourse and oral sex with him because she said she hadn't had any in a while because she was getting divorced. The two of them had talked about their divorces he said, and they agreed to have sex in the nearby woods. Tim said he had no idea why lorraine's driver's license and registration were missing. He said he'd given them back to her right after he'd quickly looked at them. When esta what had happened to lorraine's warning ticket? He said he had thrown all of the copies away. So he left that day without confessing to murdering her, but he's definitely looking guilty. At this point who sure of who's coming around, then a few days later, he was broad Beck in for another interrogation. And this time you cave he admitted to killing la- rainbow strangling her with her own. Panties. He claimed that as he's beginning to have sex with the rain. He started thinking of her as sandy called sandy and took out his rage. It sandy on the rain. He continued to insist that will ranted wanted to have sex with him. Nobody believed that scenario now if Lorraine had been so willing to have sex with a complete stranger on the interstate. Why there been evidence in her autopsy that she had been beaten around her face in head? There was very rapid decomposition of her head compared to the rest of her body. And according to the ME that suggested that she had suffered severe trauma to her face like in a beating the investigators believe that Tim Harris had punched Lorraine to make her do what he wanted. So he had raped her. Of course. Yes. So Tim was arrested and the little purple Paseo the state troopers in his handcuffs. Most of them were shocked to see the previously meticulous trooper being locked up for murder. Lorraine's car had been found with both front doors unlocked. And her belongings still inside, including a briefcase with important papers, everyone who knew her well said she'd been cautious woman, she never would have left a car unlocked, especially not with their things inside the only way Lorraine would've walked away from her unlock car would have been if Tim Harris it Astra to step back to his patrol car for a moment. This is fairly standard procedure in Florida offices have the driver's sit in the patrol unit while the head the dispatcher check wants and warrants while they write tickets Lorraine might have complied with this request thinking and should be back in her car in a few minutes. Commonsense of this. She would never have left her car unlocked and willingly company stranger down into the dark woods for sex pulled over and I've never been asked to get out of the car. I don't think definitely not to get in the squad car. No. So that's odd to me. But I guess it's something that they did at least back in the eighties been might have. But Lorraine hadn't been hard up for sex. She had this new lover who she was crazy about. So just the whole idea that she would have done that is preposterous to me detective Williams had talked to almost everyone who cared about Lorraine. And they said that she was in a serious relationship and she had never been interested in casual sex. A public defender was appointed to Tim Harris to defend him on charges of first degree murder. And the state of Florida was seeking the death penalty for the trial was set for October of nineteen ninety and September the defense lost unim- as your point. The public defenders main defense strategy was Tim had been coerced. Into confessing more than anything he wanted. Tim's tape statements to detective Williams and his confession estate attorney, Bruce Colton kept out of his trial. But the tapes would be allowed in for jury to hear in the end. There was no murder trial and Friday September twenty eighth nineteen ninety Tim admitted that he had killed Lorraine Hendricks. He was allowed to plead not guilty to murder, but he did plead no contest to the first degree murder charges that saved him from the electric chair. But he was sentenced to life in prison. Then he was sent to live out the rest of his life at the Baker Correctional Institution in a loose St. Florida in the days after his arrest more than thirty people. Most of them women called the fourth Pierce office asking what to do if they're afraid to stop for a trooper especially in an isolated area who call his retold a slowdown acknowledged the trooper's presence by waving and drive at a safe speed to the nearest populated area. The motorists are also told they have. The right to ask a trooper to call for another officer. There are more than fifteen hundred troopers in the state trying to do their job with the greatest amount of integrity. Provide county sheriff Jake Miller instructed his deputies to be tolerant of motorists who might be leery and my want to drive to a populated area before stopping. But Miller also said that motor should use commonsense. And not overreact out of fear. About this. Why I just think that's that's a dumb way to put it to begin with on the one hand he's saying drive slowly get to a populated area. And then he stay don't overreact paying those speed off those countries Victor. I don't know. I mean, I did have an incident like this spec in the nineties where I was being pulled over, but I was afraid to pull over because it was dark out, and I drove for quite a ways with the police car here. And they were getting quite alarmed why wouldn't pull over and I think I overdid it maybe because when they finally pulled over the their guns drawn. So I think that might be what he means by overreact. But I see something on the Oprah show. That said, you know, there was a policeman doing this, and you shouldn't pull over for him. So I was waiting till I got to an exit, but unfortunately, it was several miles. So I can kind of understand that though. Or you have to be careful commander stand try to mitigate by saying don't react because you're afraid while trail reactor jeeze, if you just knowledge that we have this difficulty, and that we're gonna make sure that we do our utmost to patrol the areas as respond to and not harm people. Yeah. Okay. Well, one thing you can also do you can call nine one one from your car and say, can you check that? It's really a policeman. Pulling me over now that we have cell phones all the time so marry. Yeah. This was back before cell phone mid to late eighties. Okay. I'm February sixteenth of nineteen ninety two. Lorraine's husband. Rick Hendrick's, follow wrongful death suit against the state of Florida and the department of highway safety and motor vehicles. Now, Hendrick said that the Florida highway patrol failed to discover the fact that Harris had been asked to resign from another agency for improper conduct and that Harris had exhibited a pattern of socially deviant behavior demonstrating that he was psychologically, unfit to be a highway trooper assigned to road patrol duty. And the suit was heard in the last week of February of ninety four took a couple years and Hendrix, testified about their daughter Catherine's heartbreaking reaction as he told her that her mother had Di. Died attorneys for Lorraine in Catherine's estates elicited information from an expert witness that the estates had lost between five hundred eighty eight eight hundred ninety eight thousand in projected wages and household support. When Lorraine was murdered lawyers for the Hendricks family asked for three million dollars for Catherine's pain, suffering and loss. Also for the Hendricks family to win though. They would have had to prove that the state was liable and had been able to foresee what Tim Harris was going to do the six would have to believe that the Florida highway patrol's failure to act was the cause of Lorraine Hendrix murder. So the jurors found that the Florida highway patrol was not liable for having trooper Harrison the road patrol. So they didn't get anything in the lawsuit. You agree with that her finger would have been tough su- to win. Yeah. I think you're right. But I think that the earlier places that he worked for maybe shouldn't have given him a recommendation we'll there or if they had. Been able to find records from the Melbourne village. Police that showed he had been terminated. Well, they gave him a chance to resign. Right. Right. Yeah. But there should be notes about that on who knows. How public of the stuff was about his behavior with his wife, and she's a private person? She didn't tell her parents all stuff is doing to her. She probably didn't even tell her sister in the big event with the wife didn't happen until after Lorraine had already been murdered any had already been taken off the road by then. Right. So again would have been a tough one at whatever it's just incredibly sad that this happened certainly is. So there really isn't a ton of information out there on this case. There are good series of articles in the Orlando sun paper, which you can find online and also an rule wrote a story on this case in one of her books. It's one of those books that has more than one crime in them and the books called you belong to me. So I'll put a link to that book in our show notes. In case anyone is interested in. Reading that. Just a quick reminder. We have let's of true crime brewery merchandise available. 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Our members only show to your podcast app. Then of course, you will have access to all of our past members only episodes in addition to each new one when they come out in March, we covered the case of Robert reld, Dan, a real charmer who was actually a real monster, a rapist and emerhed or who was actually enabled we believe by his good looks. And by his wealthy family this month, recovering in Alaska case, the case of Lori Waterman, Lori was brutally murdered by two men who were friends. Maybe both were lovers are one was a lover of her teen daughter. Now, the daughter was shell had apparently told these guys that are mother was abusing her and why they decided that murder was the solution. I can only guess it's because they were idiots cruel idiots. I guess still the punishment or rather lack of punishment that Rachelle Waterman received defies reason to me in. It's quite outrageous. So you might enjoy our discussion on that case. 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And it's regarding a missing child that we did a case on I'd say over a year ago Timothy Pinson over your yet. Maybe you're closer to. To been awhile. And we just kind of -ssume that Timothy was dead. But now there's a chance that he might be alive. He might have been found actually were waiting today for DNA results to show whether this boy is Timothy Pinson identifying himself as Timothy Pinson, right? Yeah. Fourteen year old boy says he's Timothy Pinson, and he's just escaped from two kidnappers that have been holding him for seven years. He's originally from Illinois was last known to be with his mother who had killed herself. Apparently in a note was left saying that Timothy was with someone, but he was safe, but he would never be found. So yesterday this fourteen year old described the two kidnappers that he had been with as to male, white bodybuilder types. One had black curly hair. A mountain dew shirt, and jeans and a spider web tattoo on his neck. The other was short in stature and had a snake tattoo on his arms, the vehicle they were operating is described as a newer model, Ford SUV bearing Wisconsin. Lates with a second row white in color and yellow transfer paint in a dent on the left BIC bumper. So apparently, he said that he escaped and kept running across the bridge into Kentucky. They had been staying at a red roof in but Timothy had no idea where so the county dispatch had contacted all surrounding agencies with a red roof in their jurisdiction, and they're checking out the motels, but they haven't found anything so residents in Newport Kentucky neighborhood, just across the Ohio river from Cincinnati held police after this boy was found wandering the streets. He'd actually approached a woman in a vehicle and ask for help. She said he looked ready and confused with bruises on his face. Now. He went missing in two thousand eleven he was just six years old. So now he would be fourteen Chris by the time people here this podcast. They'll know we don't know hopefully by this evening, they should know if it's him or not. It'd be nice that he wasn't killed will. Yes, when I'm saying, it's probably going to be nice fused their kid who's been held in captivity for. Seven years. Well, yeah, he might have gone through a lot of bad stuff might have. But I think it's amazing that he could be alive. I remember doing that case in feeling pretty certain that is mother had killed him. Yes. Rebid? So I hope that's wrong. We'll see no Kay. So do we have any voicemails today? We have a voicemail this is from Rona. She has some comments that she makes and case suggestion. Hi, my name's Ruina. I'm Scottish I supposed to say the Ivy like poor cast really love it and Elza that you say it's Joe. So that yet right into the story van to the secrecy of Everson and to the techs opinions always create on point off to say. And I have really do everything that you that you do with it. I go walking. Unfortunately, I have camp Butlin cancer the minute soul. I've been told by my daughter that ability tool woken as much as posted. We'll show you're usually in my your son. That's their says get into sin and can listen in this story. You know who else? Wanted to. I wanted to say that just that. I love it. I like reviews to mcbeal drinking my sale delayed some craft beers too. So I'm hoping that air, but I'm beta by can try some of the some of the beers that you wish it'd be difficult will some of them because obviously always lever. I am always Scotland than you don't have a Marxist seem can be usually some craft wants some Scottish wants to which are really ugly. Cricket. I've been to the masculine Boston, which it does craft ones in his really a really good place to go with your over in Boston. The is him. I really want to say, oh who had a suggestion. I love to see your take. But look to hear see her able join is a classical base than one which school system. So I would really like to hear his take on that. It's no snow been souls case either. So there's a few different suspects. I'd love to hear what you think kisses who could be so vow saints nay, but just to keep up the good. Thanks, guys. Well, thank you Rona. Yes. Thank you. Those are nice comments our end. I'm a cancer survivor. So I wish you better days ahead redo. So looked up bible. John is actually quite a bit written about a news several books actually does that somebody's name. That's what they've called him his an unidentified serial killer. I see our aims believed to have murdered three young women between nineteen sixty eight and nineteen sixty nine and Glasgow. I'll historic case I like that know each of the victims of bible, John where young brunette women between the ages of twenty five and thirty two and they all had met their murderer at the barrel land ballroom, which was a dancehall music venue in the city, the perpetrator has never been identified and the case remains unsolved despite one of the most extensive manhunts and Scottish criminal history. Where does committed by bible John with proved to be the first time in Scotland in which the crown office authorized? The publication of a composite drawing of individual suspected of murder for public viewing. And he was known as bible, John because he was repeatedly quoting from the bible and have condemned any form of adultery while in the company of his final victim, the known movements in modus operandi of convicted serial killer and rapist, Peter Tobin have led to suggestions that he might have been responsible. So we're gonna study some more. We have done one Scottish case a longtime ago, we might have. That's it. If we have done your members better than mine wasn't the father who was killing his children's wasn't. He in Scotland that much has inflator or. Yeah. I think he was that's true. Can't remember the name of it? But yeah, lovely accent to thank you for the voice mail. So that's it for voicemails. All right. So we do need more voicemails anybody has anything. I've got some interesting emails. Okay. Let's do those first Swiss from Nina, she has. Case suggestion. Okay, Nina road. Hi, guys. I'm writing you with a bit of an unusual requests. I realized that you must be swamped with case requests. So I appreciate any help. You can give this case takes place in nineteen sixty in Massachusetts. It involves a young wife and mother of two who vanished one day and hasn't been found since her name is Joan rish. There is a lot about her on the web. But I was hoping maybe you had more resources to dig further. Jones husband Martin never remarried lived in the same house and kept the same phone number in case Joan ever tried to reach him or came home. He's gone now never knowing what happened to his wife, but his children who were only four and two years of age respectively. Then are now in the early sixties and deserve answers. This case is touched me. I can't imagine having my loved one missing for so long and getting no resolution there is still time for her children, but that window is closing fast as well. Her son David seat. Seems to have had a particularly hard life and entered a nursing home really young in his fifties. I'm not sure if it has to do with his mum missing as he was only two when it happened. So he couldn't remember much about that day. The case is still open. So I appreciate any help you can offer. Sincerely, nina. So this you talked about vintage cases, this is a little older from nineteen sixty one. Yes, police went to a house in Lincoln, Massachusetts after a neighbor reported seeing blood leading from the house to the driveway. She made the discovery after young girl. Living in the house had returned from a play date to find her mother Joan rish missing several unconfirmed sightings of an apparently disoriented rish walking on nearby roads later that day were reported blood matching rish type was found smeared in the kitchen there is other evidence suggesting that she might have been abducted. Although at the time her two year old son was safely asleep in his room. Then later it was discovered that Rishard borrowed several library books about murders and disappearances including one with similarities to her own case. So this obviously led to speculation that she had staged her own disappearance. Evidence was later discovered of a troubled past which may have motivated such a scheme, and there's other theories suggesting that Joan rivers suffered in accident on a nearby construction site for the Massachusetts route one twenty eighth freeway and she's buried under concrete somewhere there. The case remains unsolved. See if we can find more on that two cases to unsolved mysteries. Nary good. Like to look into that one. Our next Email is from Haley, and it's a case suggestion. This is the honor killing of. Yes. Winder car sit to how badly did. I it's good to me. Well, you probably don't know much better than I I was going to say, okay. All right. But anyway, this was someone who was killed in June of two thousand an Indo Canadian beautician who was murdered in an honor killing she was kidnapped tortured and killed on the orders of her mother and her uncle. That just blows me away. You gonna think we have a book on that too? Those are very very very recent ops. She grew up in Canada and worked in Canada as beautician as you said in travels back to India fell in love with a guy who is the wrong guy. This is not the person that her mother wanted her to marry she went and married him. And then was living in in Canada. While her husband was in India, her mother, basically header imprisoned in her house. She escaped returned to India to be reunited with her husband. They were both captured by people in India. He was beaten she was tortured and killed, and then there's this whole deal about extradition of the mother to India for who charges is it's a mess. Well, interesting case. So I wanna look into that. You bought a book about that? I'm going to okay. Our next case suggestion is from an unnamed person you're this person wrote to ask about looking at a murder. She didn't want her name or any information spoken of. Okay. So we didn't she wanted to the murder of ROY shoots ler by Rosemary vonda car to be investigated. So what happened here this? This is I'm going to condense this for you. So this is about a guy named ROY should slur. Who does a longtime resident of less Vegas whose wife had died, and he was taken up with Rosemary Vanda car, and she was sentenced for strangling him and killing him. And her son was supposed to be a helper in the murder. So is this for money. I believe I'll type so it's very unusual for a woman to strangle a man, isn't it? Sure of where I wanted to look at that. So they said that this woman had a pretty disturbing affect about her your shoes kind of crazy. So she was found guilty think of second degree murder. Anyway, she was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. But then Ovide where the crime occurred has another thing called age enhancement. So if you kill someone over age of sixty that's a second charge. So she got another twenty years in prison for the agent Hanson. So that's pretty much in prison for life. Then most likely, okay, that's interesting. I've never heard of the age in handsome mover. I thought those fascinating. So that's just because they're thinking if you're over sixty you're more vulnerable. I think so I have heard of laws similar to that about children. If you kill. A young child. Right. We've heard that. Or we have. Yes, time someone's looking out for seniors. I know it's rough. So we also have a case suggestion from Tammy Tammy wrote. Hi, Jilin, dick. I wanna reach out until you what a huge fan. I am becoming the more. I hear the more. I love you to your infancy and kindness in telling horrific stories in keeping it completely human is wonderful, keep up the great work. I'm going to add to your growing list of case suggestions, the murder of Laurie show in Lancaster county Pennsylvania on December twentieth. Nineteen ninety one. There was a group of teenagers. One of them was pregnant who killed Lori. I've been listening to all different true crime podcast that I have yet to hear this story featured I would love to hear your take on the case. Thanks again for great content and making my workday fly by thank you. Tammy most letter. Yeah, very nice. So the murder of Laurie show. What do we know about this other than what she told us? Her worry was murdered in nineteen ninety one. She was a sixteen year old sophomore in high school. Her body was discovered in her home by her mother Hazel her throat had been cut and she'd been beaten classmates, Lisa Michelle Lambert, Tabitha, buck and Lawrence young men were charged with her murder. So this is kind of a mean girls type of thing, which we've done a few of those cases in the past. And we've done three that are similar owners complicated, love triangle, also. Yeah. So and this elect to talk about so write that down to it suggestion. Yeah. The list is getting lot. We've got some good suggestions. I appreciate it will. Thank you, everyone for your suggestions. Do you anything to add ticky? No, I it seems like we've done a few cases recently where the warning signs galore that the murderer shouldn't be allowed to be doing what he was doing. What do we do about? That though. Really? It's a tough one exactly because we were talking last week we had someone right into feedback about. Swango and another doctor from the doctor death podcast, which I haven't listened to yet. So we were talking about how physicians how a lot of what they do gets covered up and how they can get away with a lot. Now, we're talking about a policeman your though, it's just scary. Because you really do put your trust in a policeman pulls you over on a dark road at night. You're really believe in that. They're just a policeman. Yeah. You have to trust them. You're so it's scary. Certainly is. Yeah. Guys. See next time. All right. Thank you everyone for listing. And we will see you next time at the quiet end. But by by.

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The reigning defending champion Golden State Warriors have the Portland trailblazers on a break of elimination up three oh in this series courtesy of their game three victory in which Steph curry put on another show in Draymond green is just playing lights out basketball Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum or not having the most the, the best series in the world. Damian Lillard hobbled by those right rib. I'm sorry. Those rib injuries. That's we'll get into as the show progresses. Toronto Raptors pulled within a game of time this series courtesy of a double overtime. One eighteen one twelve victory over the Milwaukee Bucks and Toronto Canada engaged three of the Eastern Conference final series a game in which us and the component finished with twelve points at twenty three rebounds. At seven assist, but fouled out after having take eight turnovers and just twelve points defended by the great Kawhi, Leonard, who obviously dropped about thirty six and did his own thing, all of that stuff that we were absolutely unquestionably. Get into as the show progresses today. But if you are the New York, Knicks you got some good news today. And it's courtesy of bad news on the part of the Los Angeles Lakers. The Los Angeles Lakers are about to introduce the new head coach Frank Vogel in a press conference today. But that ain't the news, the news is that the one and only Irvin. Magic Johnson showed up on my television show. I take as every weekday morning from ten AM to noon eastern, seven to nine AM Pacific on ESPN with my cohorts max Kellerman, and Molly Kerem Magic Johnson showed up today. And let's just say what he said, was riveting, what he said, was blistering, what he said, was a clear unapologetic unadulterated candidate take down at a loss Angeles Lakers. He's both very highly about Jim genie bus, but he also highlighted some things that everybody should be aware of. And if you're the GM, rob Pelinka and since you're not gonna replace Magic Johnson as president of basketball, operations, basically rob Pelinka is your president, of basketball, operations with or without title. This is one of the worst days of rob Pelinka's career. I don't give a damn what anybody says. Now, rob Pelinka is somebody that Kobe Bryant has vouched for. He's represented. Kobe Bryant as an age of many years. He is somebody that Kobe Bryant trust implicitly when Kobe speaks you listen. And that's my man. Kobe Bryant talks to me. I'm gonna lis- Kobe Bryant. Asked me to trust him. I'm going to do it. I'm not apologizing for that to any Dan, because that's the kind of relationship that we have. But I gotta tell you something on a daylight today. Rob link has got some explaining to do. It's not just the lake nation. It's not like his fans everywhere. It's also the Kobe Brian, because I don't believe for one second, even though rob Pelinka has his own relationship with Jeanie Buss that he would be the general manager of the Los Angeles Lakers, somebody that Magic Johnson did not hire about the way he inherited rob linka because that's who Jeanie Buss wanted in that position. I don't think Jeanie bus has a relationship that she has a rob Lincoln. I don't think Jeanie Buss loves rob Pelinka the way she does, if it were not rob Pelinka's relationship with Kobe, Brian who validated him every day? And that's not to take anything away for rob Pelinka. The agent. He's represented clients. He's done a damn good job with them. His reputation, however, has been. Irreparably stained when he decided to take Carlos boozer after greeted with the Cleveland Cavaliers to a contract taken Carlos boozer Utah. Albeit for twenty five million dollars extra. Like a thief in the night, you ship them off to Utah. Rob Pelinka has never been able to live that down. And maybe that's the reason a matter of fact, I'm told that's the reason that people get on them, and I want to emphasize this. I take no pleasure in, in any of this, that I have to say, well, Pelinka's never done anything to me ever. He's always been kind. He's been a gentleman. I don't recall at anytime when he's lied to me. Nothing like that. I don't have any problems, rob leaker. He's never done anything to me ever. But as I told rob Pelinka to his face, as I've told him on the phone as was validated and authenticated today by Irvin. Magic johnson. His reputation is horrible. Agents league executives scouts, play a personnel director, everywhere you turn the one word. That is continuously. Dammit, perpetually associated with the name of rob Pelinka is liar. Until today. Magic Johnston called him a backstabber. Identified him playing his day. Magic Johnson came off. I take one to file Luke Walton. There was some change in that regard. I thought I had power over basketball operations come to find out that it will. I wasn't the final say it was going to be Jeanie, and it was too many people that she was listening to, including Tim Harris chief operating officer for the lost Angeles Lakers on the business side for years wasn't supposed to be a basketball operations. Magic says he was he was infiltrating. He was he was messing around. He had no business on that side. But he was on that side magic. They liked that wanted to file Luke Walton originally to okay was given then all of a sudden. They reneged on that. But the ultimate thing was rob Pelinka. Practice facilities in lake is offices. Whereas Magic Johnson wears Magic Johnson Noah Magic Johnson wasn't they're trying to bring attention to the fact that Magic Johnson wasn't there, where did you hear that before, ladies and gentlemen? Did I not tell you once ago this is what it was happening? I said it. I said, I don't know whether it should not. But that's what being said, it's getting back to Magic Johnson. And Magic Johnson is going to have a problem with this though. Let me go into the archives and find out what I told you. You see this is the part. I'm not gonna lie to you Jonathan and JC and all you got. I'm not gonna lie to you. This is the part that's really, really hard about being in my position, it's days. Like today guys, we aren't thinking worth the big bucks has nothing to do with Magic Johnson interview I tell you something, people call me everything under the sun accused me, a lion, and everything else. I try to get you a heads up. I warned you and the most later went on, right? Everybody forgets, I, I said, this about ago, I said this most ago I tried to tell y'all. This is what was happening in lake a nation. I tried to tell you head to go row. I tried to tell you. It's chaos. It's a mess. I tried to tell you. And nobody wanted to listen. Hey JC Jonathan everybody else. Do y'all hear me now? Is it clear? I tried to tell you Jonathan look at me when I'm talking to you, 'cause you was one of those people say, oh, no, no, no. I said, I tried to tell you. It's getting ugly. This is the stuff that's happening in LA. It's a mess. Magic Geico put up with it. I tried to tell y'all I tried to tell you nobody wants to listen. And now you see folks. Scurrying. I mean my God I tried to tell you. Many times I'll say something most in advance. Oh, Stephen A. There you go again. Oh, please. And then it comes to fruition, and y'all forget, I reporter, see, they're gonna have breaking news on sportscenter like this news. You know what the news was today that magic admitted it publicly 'cause I said, all of this much ago, I tried to tell you. But nobody would listen until he resigned. I tried to tell you. And so now here we are, in LA on a day that the new head coach for the lake is going to be introduced. And here's the big question is rob links going to show up to the press conference? Because guess what? If I was him, I might think twice about doing that. And you know why am I think twice about doing that? Guess why? Because if you rob Pelinka who gives a damn about asking Frank Vogel questions about coaching the Lakers right now. Who cares? Nobody cares about Frank Vogel today. No disrespect. Get good guy. Coach. Oh, by the way magic said that wasn't even his choice Frank Vogel, good coach. But I thought I was better. Yellow believe me, listen to some excerpts a Magic Johnson. Listen to this it away. Nuno play this for me. Where does rob Pelinka's power come from? I think you ask me is that based on genie bus or Kobe Bryant? Kobe. Hey, it could come from both sides. But one thing, Jeannie, does she respects him. And I think she knows them based on him working for Kobe Bryant and, and now as Laker fan as I am you know, we got to sit back and say, hey, we gotta support rob Pelinka just like we got support Frank Vogel, the new coach and we hope that they do a great job because listen, I'm still be at every Laker game this, what happened to me. I'm over that I was over that the day I left. You know, I went back to running my business I left on Thursday. I was in my office on Monday. Right. And so, but I'm still pulling for the Lakers. I'm still a Laker and I will always be a Laker. My frustration was you gotta let me hire my own people. Right. And so, and then again, I don't like when people listen, if you want to elevate yourself. I'm all for that. You want growth in a corporate America or. The lakers. I'm all for that, too, but it's a way to get that, right? And it's not talking about the person who's above you. And so I told them when I'm not having fun. I'm going to leave right. And I just didn't have fun anymore. I love going to the gym. I love going to all the NCA tournament is watching the young players play. I love working with our analytics team. The people that we had at the Lakers because we had an excellent team, what has to happen. Now. Max is, is this genie? Got an empower, somebody whoever that is that, rob? Is that Kurt Rambis whoever that is? And you gotta let them make decisions because I love her because she's smart, and she loves the Lakers, but she can't be emotionally tied to the guys. And she loves Luke, as a man. Right. Not because he was a great code. But as a may. So in other words. He couldn't hire his own people even though, Jeannie, plus told us, he had complete control over basketball operations. Tim Harris, the c o on a business side was allowed to interfere with basketball operations. He had a GM, rob Pelinka, who was empowered by the organization somebody, he didn't hire. He had a coach Luke Walton. He wanted to fire, and they were hesitant about. He didn't make the decision at that particular moment to get rid of, rob linka, but it was forthcoming I'm here to tell you. Everything is there. Everything is there. Now, if you are the Los Angeles Lakers. Here's the question. What kind of position are you in now? If you LeBron James. What kind of position are you in now magic assays go help the Lakers, and there's no question that he's going because he's a Laker for life, and he'll speak up on behalf of the Los Angeles Lakers. But how much cash shea is his word going to have in terms of validating and supporting the Lakers, when it's an organization you resigned from. Abruptly. How you gonna do that? He still has a spoken to LeBron James. Although they're about to meet soon. He'll arrange that. He had dinner with genie bus, but it wasn't before he abruptly resigned without calling her. And he goes on national TV the day that they about to introduce their new coach any calls out. Rob leaker called him out. Flat out undeniable, no wavering there. And let me say this also there are those out there who have said magic had an agenda, because obviously, he spoke about ownership with the Los Angeles Lakers, clearly Kobe Bryant. Magic johnson. Lebron James, these are all sparring NBA owners in anybody would love to purchase the LA Lakers brand. No doubt. Magic didn't deny it all of that valid, but in terms of him picking today, just for the record. Let me say this Magic Johnson. And I talked and he had agreed to come on the show on this date before Frank Vogel, was even hired. He had agreed to come on. I take on ESPN before Frank Vogel was even hired as the coach. My bosses were informed by me, personally prior to us even knowing who the next head coach for the Los Angeles Lakers was going to be, which means magic didn't know there was going to be a press conference. It's deuce in a new Lakers head coach when he agreed to show up on this day may twentieth two thousand nineteen to appear on national television to discuss why he resigned from the Los Angeles Lakers. That is factually false. That is not true. Magic did not know that some that the Lakers would have a head coach and that this is the day a press conference going to take place. He agreed to come in on this day weeks ago. I just kept it hush hush. The only people that knew was my boss. Dave roberts. MR boss, and his boss Norway's. No one else knew this was well in advance. So this notion that he just showed up he picked today because the Lakers are having a press conference today. Introducing the new head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers today in which rob Pelinka would have to show up at a press conference today. False. He picked his day before that happened. I just happy and proud. He didn't back out once he saw today. 'cause that didn't come until days later. So let's get that out the way. Secondly, here we are, if you're the Los Angeles Lakers. Whether you go from here because I got news few, you're the Los Angeles Lakers, aspiring to attract one of these marquee free agents. It doesn't look too good for you right now. Why would you wanna come to the Lakers right now? Magic is speak up about the young talent. All he wants raved about Brandon Ingram. Waved about Colin Kouzmin argues with me all the time about Lonzo ball, and I like Lonzo. I just don't think he can shoot. Don't think he's assertive enough. That's my issue with Lonzo ball. He's not assertive enough. Be aggressive wanna be a star. Don't be so damn Pathum. That's my only issue with Lonzo ball, his basketball IQ is off the charts. He's a team player incredibly unselfish. He plays defense. He skilled, he could pass the damn ball. I like Lonzo ball. But I need to love the number two overall pick not like him. That's my issue. What Magic Johnson? Made a good argument for trading. Sir baht to the clippers. Acknowledged he made a mistake, moving, let it brook, Lopez walkaway, Julius Randle, he defended that position because LeBron couldn't co exist. So as we look at this team right now Jimmy, he took Tom out to rave about Alvin gentry and David Griffin and how the great design Winston, I don't think about going to some big market go to the team that drafted unit. Good situation. But in the end what it comes down to. We could slice it any way we want to this is a bad bad bad day for the Los Angeles Lakers. Magic Johnson basically said. You got something from me behind my back. Rob linka? I got something for you to. Let me show the world how you can't be trusted. That's basically, what magic did on national television. I did not know he was going to do that. I thought he was going to be adamant about his position. I did not know. That he would go straight nuclear. And Cole out rob Pelinka like that. I did not know that nor did I know that he would highlight how Jeanie Buss are brilliant businesswoman and assisted him is ill equipped to oversee basketball operations because she's emotional, and she falls in love with everybody that she brings on board because she's so kind. And so sweet even though she's thorough as a businesswoman, it's hard for her to make those basketball decisions. And so there's too many people in her air that she's deferring to that. She trusts. The Linda rampant says the current rampant says the Tim harasses of the world Aloma, rob Pelinka. That magic said I don't need this. I'm trying to be happy and I'm trying to look out for me and in the process of saying, all of that he said, yo, I listened I asked any regrets, what about legacy? How about you walked away from the Los Angeles Lakers. You worried about that at all? He'll give a dam. I spoke to him on the air off the air. He does not give a damn he stands by what he did. He even stands by not calling the Brown. He said, I understand I could have done it a better way. But I did it my way a and that's basically what he's saying Joe. I'm matching I wanted to deal with this. You know, he he pulled the Kevin Durant. John J C. He pulled the Kevin Durant, y'all know who I am. You know who I am a match? That's what he said. He didn't do y'all know who I am. You know why? But that's basically what he did to paraphrase. You know. I mean, damn you are lak-. I mean right now, how do you show up at that press conference today for Frank Vogel, and nobody talking to Frank Vogel today? Y'all who's interested in Chauhan's, anybody interested in talking to Frank Vogel about coaching the Lakers right now who gives a damn and no disrespect. I like Frank Vogel. This has nothing to do with him. But right now, just for today after my Magic Johnson's appearance on first take on ESPN this morning who gives a damn about what RAV vote Frank Vogel, has to say about being Lakers. Hey coach today. Oh, you wanted to have rob Pelinka shows up to that press conference all the questions are going to be directed at rob Pelinka. You Mark my words, Jeanie, Buss, rob Pelinka. Hell Kobe, Brian. If you ain't busy coaching your daughter, you beautiful daughter. Who's going to be a hell of a basketball player, by the way. My want to pick up the phone and call. Rob Lincoln's say you might need to stay home. Stay back in the office today. This is one of the worst days a rob Lincoln's career. There's no other way around it. We can slice it. Anyway, we want to. And by the way, rob Pelinka and Jeanie Buss are being publicly extended an open invitation to a PR I take to give their side if they want. Or they could choose not to. And I'm going to reach out to them directly and invite them on the show. They won't show up. I don't think but fair is fair after what magic had to say you want to extend opportunity for them to come out and speak themselves. I doubt they'll take but who knows it at eight say, ESPN. This is Stephen a Smith show. ESPN radio ESPN news, that was straight talk wireless, everything for less only at WalMart. By the way, people, I'm here to tell you about Zell a quick and easy way to send and receive money right from your banking app. Not sure what to get someone for their birthday graduation, or housewarming, send them money with Zell truly one size fits all present. So they can buy whatever they want the money goes directly into their Bank account typically within minutes if they already enrolled would sell, so they don't have to wait long to spend it on the perfect gift for themselves. Look for selling your banking, apple get more info at Zell pay dot com. Terms and conditions apply. Graving even more of Stephen Hamill, all people around the clock. Access to the man how you can follow him on Twitter and Instagram at Stephen a Smith and unfazed book at Stephen a. You're listening to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Even I Smith show is being brought to you by my computer career dot EDU training for a better life. Plus, if you missed my opening segment, go check it out on demand. In the Steven Naismith podcast brought to you by Capital, One capital. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees. Minimums, they could be opened in five minutes, Capital One. Hey, hey, what's your wallet Capital, One NA member FDIC as I alluded to earlier, we spoke to Magic Johnson? I take this morning. Magic Johnson came on my show. I take on ESPN every weekday morning from ten AM to noon eastern, seven to nine AM Pacific max Kellerman. Molly care MoMA cohorts, and he came in studio with the three of us sat down as a favor to me. I really really appreciate it. Here's some of the excerpts from Magic Johnson, sits Magic Johnson's sit down with I take this morning listening. What the hell happened? Why did you resign from the Los Angeles Lakers? It was a couple of couple of reasons. First of all, let me think Jeannie bus for the opportunity, I when we set down negotiate it, I told her, I said, listen, I can't give up all my businesses, I make more money doing that than becoming a president of the Laker. So, you know that I'm gonna be in and out is that okay with you? She said, yes, I said, do I have the power to make decisions because that was important for me to take the job as well? She said you have the power to make the decisions. So I said, okay, let's go do it. She said, I'm gonna put you with rob Pelinka because I didn't know route, so she put us both together. First year in was tremendous one of the strategies would be, let's get up under the salary cap because we were way over the salary cap and I say, let's trae some people get some draft picks on and on the Angelo. Great gar. But had a problem when? Saggy. Nick, the whole thing went down. So I knew I had to get him out. We made some moves that draft pick turned into Kyle. Kuzma soul. We felt good about making that deal drafted Lonzo ball. Number two, I know you still against it. But this we, we can debate that because I think he's outstanding all around point guard. Then Josh heart, so things got going in the right direction. And then I start hearing, you know magic you're not working hard enough Magic's not in the office. So people around the Laker office was telling me, rob or saying things, and rob Pelinka, rob Pelinka. And I didn't like those things being said behind my back. I wasn't in the office enough and so on. So I started getting calls from my friends outside of basketball. Saying those things now were said to them outside of basketball now, not just in the Laker office anymore. Now is in the media, and so on the people you trust. Exactly. And people got to remember, something being in this business for forty years. I got allies. I got friends everywhere. Right. And so, and then I had to monitor the brothers because Joey and Jesse wanted more involvement wanted more power. The bus brother the bus brought rights. And so I said, I didn't mind doing that because they're good, guys. But also I sat them down and say, hey, listen. I'm really help you guys mature get better. And so I took that role as well, because they felt they should have been, you know, empower ful positions whether that's general manager or the president. Right. And so. Then when those things start having too much Stephen A, the Strada broke the camel's back was I wanted to fire Luke Walton. And we had max three meetings. I showed her the things he did well and things he didn't do. Well, and I said, listen, we gotta get a better coach. I like him. He's great. Former Laker, the whole thing. So the first day will, let's think about second day. Okay. You can fire him then the next day. No, we should try to work it out. So when we went back and forth like that, and then she bought Tim Harrison to the meeting, you know, some of the guys and Tim, you know wanted me he wanted to keep him because he was friends with loops. A great guy, great guy is. And so when I looked up and said, wait a minute. I only really answer to Jeanie Buss now I got Tim involved, and I said it's time for me to go. I got things happening that was being said behind my back. I don't have the power that I thought I had to make the decisions and I told them when it's not fun for me. When I think that I don't have the decision making power that I thought I had been. I got step aside. Let me go back to the backstabbing comment. Because you said that when you resigned abruptly inside the staple center, and you just educated us that fringe you trust that got them outside of basketball. So did it come down? I'm not understanding the Luke Walton element here. But when you allude to the backstabbing, was, it, rob Pelinka talking about, is it, rob Pelinka, and other people within the Lakers organization who exactly what you talk. No, rob. I think that other people didn't. Really funny as I sit here. I don't worry about those type of things. I'm not a guy who is like, oh man, he said this about me, and I worry about it. What happened was I wasn't having fun coming to work anymore, especially when I got to work besides you knowing that you want my position. And I'm okay with that because this is what happens to even I told him in year two I'm only going to be here, three years. So my job is robbed to get you ready for this position. So you know, I was going to help elevate them to the president's position. And so, when all this was coming back to me and guys Carla me saying you better watch out for, and then what it was crazy was before when I took the job, you know, what I mean agents called me and said, you gotta watch out for, and that's I give the guy fear chance. You know, I can't listen to people and so, but he he was a hard worker, smart guy. But now you have that position. So I'm good with that. The one other thing before maxim, Molly getting here, there has to be LeBron James universally recognized as the greatest player in the world over the last decade pretty much you got him to LA. He's there you were at his doorstep. Yes. Ninety nine. West coast, Tom twelve midnight, twelve. Last last July. He comes to the Los Angeles Lakers. Whether he was coming to not on his own. He definitely wanted you to get credit for bringing them there because you mean that much to him. He meant a lot to you. He means a lot to you. Why did you not pick up the phone and call him and say, I'm about to step up outta here. It's it's over for me. Especially when you see when he had to say on the shopping, I respect LeBron for what he's just said, you know. And I, I love the Brown. I love his family. What he's done for the Laker organization what he did for me as the president of the Laker organization. But sometimes as a man, you have to make decisions based on your Welby, right? And I made the decision based on me in my own happiness. And so I could have done it a different way. Yes. He's right. But I did it my way and that doesn't take anything away from our relation. Ship or how I feel about LeBron, but sometimes as a man or woman, you gotta make decisions based on your own happiness. And sometimes you just gotta go out and do your thing. And that's what I did we stay with rob Pelinka for this one reason, Luke Walton, as you just acknowledged. You wanted to let him go and it appears as if the lake is clearly, didn't have that problem because they ended up letting them go hit, he walks away, and he goes to the Sacramento Kings for their head coaching job. Did you want also to let get rid of rob Pelinka and was denied the opportunity to do that? No, we never had a discussion about that. Okay. Yeah. I think that what I wanted to do was just bring in my coach, you're gonna if you're going to judge me, you know, you gotta judge be Miami. Bring them in. Who, who was that coach going to be? Did you have an idea who you were going? No, no, not at that time. Okay. I think that even just recently I wanted to Lakers Hiatt Tyron loop. Right. Right. Because I thought that and know that ties unbelievable coach. And so I wanted the best for the Lakers. And I asked this question knowing you communicating with Jeanie Buss, a little bit knowing Kobe for years, the word, but trail comes to my mind as a question Mark only for this reason with all the things that you pointing to your relationship with Jeanie Buss is, like a brother and sister, like you both have say and still and still is, she's the boss, but they were people that she. Powered. Right. That had too much of a voice in your mind. Yes. And then rob Pelinka who you've been very clear about right now, one today show as max pointed out, that's Kobi's best, but he wouldn't even be relevant in the Lakers organization if it were, not for Kobe does Magic Johnson field portrayed it. And if so Bob whom. Well, I think if you're gonna talk betrayal, is only with rob. But again, I had to look inside myself. Right. But I have been doing that for months, because I didn't like that. Tim Harris was too involved in, in basketball, he's supposed to run the Laker business, but he was trying to come over to our side, genie's. Gotta stop that, right? You gotta stop people from having those voices mildly. You talked about. It's too many people at the table. And so what happens? Everybody gets to share their opinion. And, and it's so much information coming at her. That then when I'd say, hey, we have to do this. She can't make a decision because they said, no. Don't go the way magic go. You should go. Zac, remind you so, so her love for those people and respect for those people often caused us to not make the right choice or there's no decision max. And so I said, listen, you can't run a corporation like this. You can't have everybody thinks that they can have a voice or opinion about the final decision that was supposed to be me as the president, having that final say. Showing up on my show. 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I take on ESPN this morning. Ten AM to noon, eastern, nine, seven nine Pacific and said, a lot of things, you know, all budgeting has been picked up all over the place. Every publication in America's picked it up, frankly, every sports publication in America's picked it up. So it's something that we're going to get into my feeling is very, very simple. Magic Johnston pulled no punches stated exactly where he stood and was unapologetic about it. And now the fallout can be tremendous for the Los Angeles Lakers in a bad way. How's this going to check their free agency should anyone wanna come to the Lakers? Right now. We'll rob Pelinka stay on GM and executive of the Los Angeles Lakers, after this can Jeanie Buss hold this together, or do the Lakers need to sell the damn team for crying. We don't know what direction is all goes in. That's how riveting it was make no mistake about it. We'll get. All of that. And more to start off our number two I'm not doing any interviews. 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Chris Nikic (who has Down Syndrome) Completes Ironman

"Just recently the world met. Chris nick a young man who can not only inspire us. He's got an awful lot to teach us as well. The costs incentive. I'm john stonestreet. This is breakpoint this past weekend in florida. Twenty one year old. Chris niche completed one of the most challenging feats in all of sports. The ironman triathlon is a two point. Four mile swim followed by one hundred twelve mile. Bicycle ride topped off by a full marathon as a twenty six point two mile. Run at one point. Nick fell off his bike during a nutrition stop. He was attacked by ants. No kidding still. He completed the race in sixteen hours. Forty six minutes nine seconds. That's fourteen minutes under the cutoff time. Oh and by the way. Chris is the first athlete with down syndrome to complete an ironman nick. It's now joins the annals of others with intellectual disabilities that have done the amazing and improbable. Back in two thousand six. Jason mcelwain sank six three pointers in the last four minutes of a new york district basketball championship. Game mcelwain has autism. And then there's tim harris who with his parents help opened a restaurant in new mexico called tim's place which is known for its breakfast lunch and hugs my family by the visited. Tim's place in two thousand thirteen where we got lunch and hugs at the time. The hug counter in the restaurant 'cause directly was one had already topped one million hugs given out. The restaurant closed few years ago. When tim and his family moved but he still has a very impressive. Social media following and has written articles for cnn in other national news outlets. Oh and by the way we should mention. Max who is chuck colson grandson. Max has autism but during covid nineteen quarantine. Max has blasted an awful lot of people by drawing hearts and he even started a stationary business stories. Like these are much needed reminders. That people especially those with disabilities are often capable of far more than we give them credit for or that we can even imagine at the same time if we're not careful while we rightly celebrate stories like nick mcelwain harrison. Max in no way. Do they imply that person's worth is somehow dependent on any of their accomplishments or any of their abilities. That's a very bad idea. One that's had countless victims especially those with down syndrome. For example recent christian post article described how women in the uk sixty nine percent of the time or immediately offered an abortion when their child is diagnosed with down syndrome in utero and if they decline. They're asked again often again. One woman reported being asked to abort her baby fifteen times. Government policies in countries like iceland and denmark are even more consequential. They've resulted in only a handful of children with down syndrome. Born each year in those countries in fact about ninety percent of children that are diagnosed with down syndrome in europe. In utero are bored in the us. The best estimates are about sixty five percent parents of children with intellectual disabilities those who've already exhibited love and moral fortitude just and resisting the vast social pressure to abort have chosen a path. That's not only difficult but profoundly counter. cultural increasingly. Having raising children is evaluated in terms of personal fulfillment and validation with a minimal amount of inconvenience and never of course suffering in that context in any context to judge and individuals worth by what they can achieve what they can. Contribute is fundamentally inhumane and put bluntly children. just don't pay off in the end there's not a legitimate method of doing any kind of cost benefit analysis for kids. Based on their success or ourself fulfillment completing an ironman contest. Running a restaurant sinking. Three pointers is amazing for anyone especially those with disability. We celebrate their accomplishments especially because they've proved the cynics and sceptics wrong. Still we have to clear the dignity of any human life is inheritance never acquired the value of every life is priceless already. it's not increased. One sent by an amazing accomplishment. Look it's a wonderful thing. When the talents of people like chris nick itch are celebrated when a baby with down syndrome is named the official gerber baby or when an actor like zach goddess in the movie. Peanut butter falcon is recognized for delivering an incredible performance which he did at these times in fact christian should be at the front of the line cheering more loudly than anyone else but remember and christians should also be saying this more loudly than anyone else. It's not what anyone can do. That ultimately matters. It's whose image we all bear for the colson center on john stonestreet.

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Podcast: Proven, Powerful Buyer Scripts. What To Say, How To Say it. | Tim and Julie Harris

Real Estate Coaching Radio

1:13:03 hr | 1 year ago

Podcast: Proven, Powerful Buyer Scripts. What To Say, How To Say it. | Tim and Julie Harris

"Welcome to Real Estate Coaching, Radio, starring award-winning real estate coaches, and number one international bestselling authors, Tim, and Julie Harris Real Estate Coaching. Radio is the nation's number one daily radio show for realtors who demand authentic real time. Coaching. Get ready for flood free unfiltered, full-strength honesty about what's working to get you into action helping others and making money now in today's real estate market. Or hosts Tim and Julie Hairs. Three to one and we are back welcome to your lovely Friday. The thirty first tomorrow is August I. Hope You guys know that's the order in which the days fall the thirty first and then followed by the first most of the time I. Need I need to be reminded? That's the most important part about that is expired. Palooza is going to ensue and as you have been pointing out this week, best thing about that is this happening on the weekend so you're more likely to get people home the more likely answer their phones. They're going to have more patients with you. They're not going out the door to go to work. So you know I always tease our coaching clients that. Expires like saying, oh no, it's okay. You can fall into the hands of lesser agent than me. I. Have No problem with that and by the way I don't want the commission either. So every podcast, it's going to be our podcast. We try to focus on three different aspects all designed to help you guys, educate you motivate you and get you into action and the first one. is going to be. We're going to talk a little bit about from some experiences from coaching calls that we had today, and then the second is going to be we're gonNA give you hit you with some headlines Though frankly I don't think there are any that are most relevant to you guys. There were some yesterday we talked about this and competing acts in the third thing is. Kind of boring now. Like three minutes worth. So they are going on. Okay. All right. That's fine and the third one is going to be content that we started the other day with regards to working with buyers. Thank you for being patient with us as we sort it out all of our syndication, the Pike we moved from like the podcast world everything gets loaded into. I tunes in an IT syndicates, the podcast, all the different places at least that's how it's supposed to work. But what's happening? The podcasting Ralph has gotten so big now there's A. Whole Bunch of different competing companies that are trying to essentially become like channels for podcasts. So what you do is you have to take you create your podcast, which is easy. You know we're doing it now, and then you submitted to I tunes and then I tunes then we'll submit to maybe three or four other podcasts but all the others of which now there's probably like maybe twelve or fifteen, you have to pay attention to spotify things like that. Then you have to manually the upload the. Get those other syndicator, stick your RSS feed from your podcast on giving guys some dirty information because as we always say, everyone of should have podcasts at podcast because podcasting is going to become it already is without a doubt the most influential media form on planet Earth matter of fact, there's a lot of people are saying that podcasting is the biggest thing in essentially in the evolution of the Dissemination of information since the Gutenberg Press and the good press was basically like a, you know the first. Copier essence it made it so that they could actually replicate the written word and you know make books and whatnot, and so that's you guys can understand that took the information from just the people who had a book and a book back in the Olden Days was always handwritten and not very many people had them. They're usually held in monasteries and most people didn't know how to read and write and the whole thing. Well, then boom the good and bad press comes along and now we can. Start syndicating using modern word books and more people can learn to read and write and you know evolution of type of thing. Well, the same thing it could be argued happening with podcast right now and the reason the podcasting is dominating over even video is because everybody can listen to a podcast in the background, which is frankly ally do it most of the time and Julie does well so you could be you know D-, folding laundry or whatever, and you can have a podcast, the background and podcasts have become something that people listen to at regularly scheduled times of the day when they're working out, they listen to Tim Harris Dot com when they're when they're driving to work there listening to Joe Rogan. When they're coming home from work, they might be listening to something like I dunno NPR or something you guys get the gist of it but podcasting is replacing normal media outlets and here's something else that I think is very fascinating for me to watch. 'cause Julian I've been podcasting syndicating since two, thousand, seven or two, thousand eight even for people with the word was. But the other thing is really fascinating is the number of pied the nature podcast itself is becoming less and less formal. So normal when you guys, one of the things that anyone says to me when they're thinking about starting a podcast, the always hit a wall of my gosh. So, he didn't know how to use all this technology. I need to know how to do all this audio editing and just all this stuff you don't need to have. You don't have to do any of that stuff and essence you just basically right a podcast straight through don't go back and edit if there's a dog barking in the background, leave the dog in if what you putting it. Implies podcast. WHO's podcast is James and his Dad Amelia Island real estate show a good lots of great topics, Mila Allen and a hot sellers. Market buyers are working remotely all kinds of great topics. That's awesome. Yeah. There took our advice and that's when Julius personal coaching clients. They're also part of our family. So you everyone listening needs to do a podcast. You should don't worry about like, for example, even the content don't worry about. Overthinking anything, you eventually will find your voice and you'll find your stride but here's the thing I. Think we'll take a lot of pressure off just like you know what Jillian I do. That's how people want their podcast. They WANNA feel ultimately they don't WanNa feel like they're listening to our formal presentation necessarily that's the old way of thinking about it, and that's frankly the more laborious way. Of Thinking about it 'cause then you have to have a producer then you have to have something that's going to do commercials and you want to go back and edit it. You might want to turn up the gain you to make one person that loud enough one person all that Mickey Mouse, screw all that over engineer over engineer it and it's not as authentic I. think that's A. Feeling like you know somebody must of the podcast we listen to we I mean at least i. feel like we know them they're not really friends friends, but they're like podcast France rate, but that's the moral of the story. So when you're doing your podcast, it's helpful obviously to do it with another person but if you have to start out by just having somebody. Just. Do It yourself that's fine, and then eventually you can do your podcast maybe just have people call in and do interview based interview based is the easiest to do fundamentally because the person you're interviewing provides the content but unless you yourself are going to do interviews like say Joe Rogan does where Joe will call him out on their bullshit and doesn't he's not even trying to be. He's trying to be a civil host a nice guest in. Terms of he's trying to treat them respectfully because they're kind of a guest in this house. But at the same time, he'll reel them back in and call them out if they try to hit some sort of talking points that don't really jive with. Reality and I do that too when Julian I interview people and we tell them ahead of time we tell them that. You can't come into our our show with an agenda and you have to be prepared to defend what you say and do a little pre pre show interview. Also any of them as you get to know them said it'd be Kinda know what you're signing up for but here's discovered just on the aside from doing interviews in the past most people suck at conversation most people are terrible at it, and what they do is they have their talking points and especially real estate people they'll have their. Like three or four talking points, and then soon as you challenge them on points like I'll give you the ones that I always like to go. After because they're an indefensible is basically the validity of teams, the validity of buying byerly the validity of branding all that stuff and when I had someone on the when someone wants to be on our podcast, it's so hilarious to me we get probably I bet on average per day I get ten solicitations for people wanting to be on our podcast. They come usually through. Intermediaries usually through these companies that people hired to try to get them on like PR agencies. So get a pitch for someone to be on our podcast and I can tell they've never listened to our podcast before because the person that supposedly wants to be on our podcast is wants to talk about how to scale your expansion team or something like that which you guys know hopefully, longtime listeners we'll talk about that till the cows come home but if you're not prepared to talk about why those essentially that's not financially viable business model if you're not prepared to talk about profitability if not prepared to talk about all of that then why You're walking into a minefield being on our show, and so sometimes I get somebody who's a big name that wants to talk about teams and branding or whatever, and this is something that you guys might know from hgtv or whatnot. I will tell them ahead of time that I'm going to challenge them and I must tell them what my questions are going to be in nine percent of the time. They choose not to be on the podcasts because they know that those particular points will Gotcha and I'm not going to let someone you know essentially preach an agenda to all of you guys. That I know is bullshit and so anyway, that's the point of all. This is that podcasting as Julius said a really good podcasts and the ones you're going to be attracted to art these big formalized presentations they're not stump speeches, their real communication, real conversations that are happening between people with all the little. You know inflections not edited out all the little stupid contradictions and the things that people say and all the rest of it. You know stumbling over words using bad grammar whatever you know can you use bad grammar speaking though I don't think you can. That's only right. Well, see how See how I just did that intentionally SAFE JULIUS PAYING ATTENTION To use bad grammar by asking if you can use bad grammar because she's extra screwing on her phone right now. But you can't if you like I know. Okay. Well. So the point of all this guys is definitely want to start doing a podcast podcasting going forward and just use the example Julius gave you is going to be what will provide a incredible long tail stream of business. And start out just by talking about what you WanNa talk about start out by talking about what interests you you know if you want to have a real estate podcast, that's great. But I'll suggest you go with a really tight niche like Amelia Island our coaching clients are doing or something like that and I imagine inside Amelia Island I, know the area they specialize in a hurry call the plantations, and they probably focus most of their best podcasting on that particular area and get probably fifty percent of the owners and the patients, condos and houses don't live there. So they're able to listen to these podcasts and they're living in some other part of the world. Feeling like they're connected to what's actually boots on the ground you guys see the power of this I listen to one I think is called blocking lot or locking. And Block about Manhattan Real. Estate and you know it's so different than the rest of the country I get lots of different interesting things but he keeps it just Manhattan and just the different types of ownership's Co ops apartments, etc, and his focus is on different ways of winning in purchasing all the different changes that New York rolls out I mean it's kind of Nerdy, but it's interesting. Point Your wheelhouse but have enough to talk about right and you don't. You should have some really tight calls to action in there if you're. Doing a podcast is from a business perspective is obviously to provide overwhelming value but you can ask the people to do business with you. If you just disseminate the information and you don't get a C. Ta a call to action a reason to reach out to you, they're not going to you have to tell people to call you you have to. Tell people that I want to do business with you. Otherwise, they're going to assume because you didn't ask that you're not interested. That's true in everything, but it's especially true on podcasting because they're just gonNA assume you're just to busy and you'd never want to do business with them when Julie and I were coaching some of the people from Bravo TV. From the TV shows, it was so funny to me that one of their biggest issues wasn't that they didn't want to do business with anybody who wanted to do business with them that perception that they had to constantly overcome his that they were too busy to do business and was the guy from Puerto Rico actually when I was talking with Luis Ortiz. So, Lewis Artistes had that problem and he was doing primarily leasing at the time he was on that show. He wasn't even selling properties, and so I had to have you know he and I had some calls about how it gets start in new? York? How can start going after defaults and distressed real estate and stuff like that which is a huge opportunity New York. City which goes back to the original point Julia was making before I got my podcasting tangent make sure that you're looking and paying attention to the expires in your marketplace. So I'm not a coaching call this morning. With a great agent. Who just sold at five point five, million dollar house in Charleston shot and yeah hand and he was he was we're talking about, okay. What can you do to make the most of that? You know the sale and we're talking about the fact in this particular it was an island right how it was locked up by three or four other old goal old-guard agents and whatever whatever and I said. So on the coaching call, I hadn't go to his molest which he did and I wanted to tell me how many. There were in this market where there are in his words and everyone's word, there's no listings there's no inventory expired everything cells in twenty, two seconds a it's also an off market while right so this one particular island which is really popular and stuff sells just like I said, that's the perception of it it. Since the beginning of the year, there were seven hundred expires and he didn't even know about it. Over seven hundred opportunities in this was a small island to list properties. He. Hadn't even he'd never looked. So let's say he was able to list one percent of that I. mean that's incredible. Know that workout here's the best part the sale. A participated in he brought the buyer with the highest sale on the island ever. That's amazing. Yeah. So he just hit the highest sale on the island ever and their seven hundred expires probably I'm guessing. I how many have gotten relisted, whom he'd have to check and all the rest of it. But today is the last day of the month and tomorrow's the first day of the month, which means as Julie's said, expiry Palooza there's always a peak of expires. So those of you are in our premier coaching program us our expired script it's not just enough to have the script you have to listen to the audio training we do. So we can give you all the essential. Their nuanced approach is between just reading the script and. Making the script work reading the script is an essentially being coached to use the script and in the actual words in front of you are not the same thing. It's the difference between watching a video and having a personal trainer. I can watch videos on my iphone and go to the gym when it opens again and I can know how to do the move by the thing is there's nobody watching me to know whether or not actually doing the moves correctly like I might be trying to do some sort of you know. Lifting weight whatever on some torture device over at the gym. But I don't know that I'm not standing up straighter I don't know I mean, that's the reason there's Mir's GMC can look at yourself, but I might be arching my back on a not supposed to be actually hurting myself that kind of thing, and that's what a trainer supposed to do. They're supposed to go in there and give you the nuanced approach is to make you better at what you're supposed to. Be Doing so you can get results faster. That's really simply what a coach does or that's essentially what you should be considering doing. If you want to move your business for faster, I Julia does it all the smartest most successful people on plant earth always have coaches whatever they're trying to perfect because it shortens the learning curve there is no hack there's no short cut in life but if there is it's hiring someone who's been there. I, to help you get there quickest. So if you're interested in learning more about coaching program, went you guys text toward Harris two, three, one, nine, nine, six, text, Harris two, three, one, nine, nine, six, and when you do, we're going to text you back a three, we're text you back a link that you then can download. It's three free books the real estate treasure map thinking grow rich rich real estate new twelve monthly generation plan. Oh, there's a fourth one. I said it already real estate treasure map there. So they're all there and you can download those books and those an excellent way for you to essentially if you're listening to us in the first first time, this is definitely those series of books are definitely things you need to embrace immediately especially the real estate treasure map. So just text the word Harris. Two. Three one, nine, nine, six, and also thank you for those of you who are being. So supportive of our book on Amazon Barnes and noble it continues to be one of the best raw state books of all time and nearly five thousand four, hundred five star reviews. So thanks for that. The book is called Harris Rules, if you've not picked up the book yet. So, there it is. Now we're going to talk next Julie either but to skip the headlines for today. Okay. So we're going to talk now about what we were talking about previously which as talking about essentially the buyer process. And what we're hoping to do is demystify. The. Obviously, our coaching program focuses on working sellers be coming know powerful listing agent. That's really are. That's what we want. You guys having your North Star but working with buyers is going to be a great thing for everyone to do our mode our busiest most successful listing agents agents with consistently twenty to thirty listings who really don't have to work buyers they didn't want to. We always want them to have two or three triple a really great ideally high end buyers in their back pockets because a keeps them in front of the market they'll know exactly what's happening in the market you really when you're working sellers and you're just looking in the MLS what sold, you're just using your data from previous. You're on the leading edge of what's happening in the market. So the problem with you know a lot of top listing agents is if they stop working with buyers, they're not the very leading edge of what's happening in the marketplace. The spurs preferential changes, and there's little nuance things. That's it's sort of bizarre to understand why things happen the way they do but. You might have over series of just ninety days. A floor plan preferences start to change there might be like. For example you I remember very clearly when Julia remember white cabinets in Kitchens. Nobody puts white cabins. It was oak. Yeah and then people would have this orange oak cabinets. You guys remember that back in the eighties and the nineties and how about was the horrible green in the seventy s And goldenrod. See The trends and you also see things that you're not going to see if you're not out there actively showing property, you might know about you. You might not find out about a new construction project that's just down the road is not in the of Alaska and it's starting to suck the life out of this market. You. Know I think that I love are powerful listing agents in love that they have the freedom to say, you know I'm only a listing agent, but I also cautioned them that your pricing brain slips a lot too. That's right. It's much more powerful to see things in person as well as getting buyers impressions of what they see in person you know. People are getting ready to buy houses. Of course, you're watching A. H. T., and Bravo and housing shows in getting housing magazines, and they're probably more frosty about what's hot than you are because they're actively in it and I think that is very valuable to have at least two or three. As you said, very motivated, very qualified ready to rumble buyers at all times. Ideally, your sellers that basically there's their houses are sold for a place to buy the you know they're motivating they have a timeframe because. I'm sure I don't have to talk very many of you ended knowing how to differentiate a really motivated by air from when it's not motivated. Hopefully, guys are all experiencing really great motivated buyers right now. And hopefully all this motivated buyers or your current sellers who about to close. But again, here's another just emphasize chalets point if you stop working with buyers and you only work on sellers and I realize some of you are seeing that his dream life scenario what I describe, but you can't give up buyers in that. You will as just listen to what she said. You will lose touch with what the market is actually. As changing so you could have a listing appointment this weekend, and there was a house that just sold or maybe hasn't sold and you'd never been in it and there's always going to ask you a specific question or at least you should know why that is or isn't a cop and if you've never been in it, you're not going to know that the real problem with the house. The whole house smells like cat p. or some little weird things happening. For your next listing anyway or you might walk into a listing appointment. This is the most likely scenario in a market like what we're headed into and you might have in your mind that the house is how the sellers houses worth you know five, nine nine or whatever, and you because you were just showing properties to a very motivated. Family of buyers they endure looking that very price range. You're told you the house was worth five, nine nine. But because you were just out showing competition for that house, you know the house in this market because the prices are falling is only worth five, seventy five because what you just showed hasn't sold yet. That's right in what you just showed is actually nicer than the House that you're about to list and and you wouldn't have known that because obviously you're not there looking at property. This is really critical. You know we use kind of. Unfair advantage, shall we say with our coaching clients called the instant showing feedback? Hard is also kind of secretly prospecting. Should that listing actually you know expire there's lots of little things that are kind of add on advantages you have. We've got lots of stories of our clients actually running into listing opportunity while they're out showing buyers, right so we're actively out there we're not suggesting obviously solicited listed property but what what the answer is showing feedback card is is part of our coaching company. We give you guys. It's a card that you leave. So good listing agents are supposed to ask for feedback after the showing, give to the buyer, and usually that entail some sort of series of annoying phone calls or emails or whatever and. What we will suggest you do is you leave a card it's not designed to solicit the listing, but it just gives instant feedback on showing me and you have and you have the buyers leave the feedback, which again sometimes if that listings about to expire the SARS, really GonNa appreciate that might think of you. All right. So moving forward. With regards to the buyer process with I. Don't think we need to drill down anymore and why they need to always have a few buyers in their in their directoire their quiver. Okay. So the next process is pre-qualifying the buyers in the pre-qualifying script for working with buyers. We're GONNA go through the first three questions. Can you pull up again? I saw I. Have it obviously memorized because? We wrote it years ago. So the different scenarios where be reaching out to you, this is this is not a buyer you already have because you've got their house listed on one of the best lead attraction tools known demand is one eight, hundred home hotline dot COM one, eight, hundred, home hotline, Dot Com. You guys should check that out one eight, hundred home hotline Dot Com So, let's say for example, you get a call from a buyer and media calling eight hundred home hotline dot com or maybe it's the calling off a sign and let me take a sidestepping. I'll go back in and focus on the script. Your best buyers are not Internet buyers generally speaking those are your worst buyers because everyone starts out on the Internet, and then they start honing in and looking in as they drive through neighborhoods. That's how buyers search now in the upper. End Markets you're gonNA find Stephen more refined but just for the generalized presentation here, that's the thing to remember is Internet buyer is one of the reasons that generally speaking they're not that great is because the buyers are just generally not that motivated because they're in the beginning stages of looking back when some of you will remember this and maybe in some markets, you guys still see these at grocery stores and whatnot they used to be homes, magazines, well, homes, magazines, buyers art. Have Become Internet buyers basically. So the Internet's done away with those homes magazines and all, but the smallest markets and those homes magazines buyer leads were equally as unmotivated because they were just getting ready to start thinking about maybe someday buy a house or selling house for that matter. So your best leads are always the people driving the neighborhood because once they once they're driving a neighborhood they probably they're you know they're definitely have a deadline mind they've been looking for a while they've decided they wanna live in you know ochre subdivision or white tree subdivision the nearly. Watching the neighbor right there watching neighborhood they're going to open houses they're driving through, and you know they're stocking the local parks to see how many kids are there. They're looking at school buses. They're really getting a sense of what it'd be like the lead there those who your mode, they buyers and those the those types of you're going to get from open houses but you're also going capture them. If you're using eight hundred hotline all the signs if you don't have any listings and a particular neighborhood that you start getting listings in used eight hundred home hotline. Dot Com and asked the listing agents. Ideally, if some of them are in your office, that would be great if you ache and put a sign writer on their sign and just go to that eight, hundred home hotline dot one, eight, hundred home hotline Dot Com and check out the signwriter example or you can just put a secondary corrugated plastic sign in their yard that says for Free Twenty Four Record Info in this house, and then it's going to say call one, eight, hundred, five, five, five, one, two, one, two, and then whatever extension, and then there's going to be recording describing the house what that is. Really is a tool to design design to guess give them information on the property, but an instant information on the property, and they can also have the information text them. But really the the benefit to you is anytime they call it you're GONNA be able to caller ID them in the system's going to text you and let you know that this person from this phone number just called on this house. You guys following the on all this I. Know I'm going to this relatively quick 'cause I assume that most of you are just going to go to one hundred home hotline dot com and check it out. There too. Yeah and so. Everything said, but here's the process and the reason I have this memorize is because with Jillian were selling lots, hundreds of homes freer. We did have agents that worked for us as buyers agents but one of the things I quickly learned was when you delegate pre-qualifying especially your upper end listings, you're gonNA, lose all kinds of business because no matter what the people you hire to prequalify are never gonna be as effective as you saw some of the last. Things we ever suggest if in and never frankly if you never delegate these things, that's great. Don't delegate pre-qualifying and don't delegate on listing appointments and I know again, the current Zeitgeist is you give up both but the inefficiencies that that that you know essentially get delegating those tooth important things introduced to your real estate business results in a massive drop in net profit. So yes, that means you might not have to pre qualify people anymore and yes, that might mean. Appointments Anymore, but it also is going to mean that your crappy prophets going to get crappier because the inefficiencies that come from expecting someone to do a high end job last week from a coaching client that described exactly what you just said, and if you remember that because we get so many emails but. She was saying that she's got all this lead generation in place she knows how to make the phone ring, but she was basically playing a round robin with buyer's agents in today's your day for League, Conversion Tomorrow's my day for lead conversion. They didn't do it with gency they didn't use a script. So she's like I'm generating all these leads getting any results. What did she say? She said it was like running a faucet full of money down the drain well, and and so then she was like should I just hire a va to do it and you? Know, you do it, and then you can disseminate who gets which leads, and in fact, if you're going to maybe not even have buyer's agents but have referral agent, you can charge them more because it's prequalified ready to rumble. The script is done another financing. You know it's much better to do it. Yourself tear point where the last things you should ever give up because and you guys are GonNa. Listen we go through our scripts because you're gonNA lose all your. Listing, leads and as far as having viral agents, I had looked at countless profit and loss statements for teams and I'm GonNa tell you what I tell name name percent of them and you guys aren't going to like this. especially if you're part of the team, the religion of teams, right because teams and all this crap has become somewhat like a religion people were are absolutely piston offended when you say anything against the idea that this business small they're trying to create. Is, flawed, it is flawed. It's terrible especially if you're trying to have profit in your business if you were and I never found an example or this wasn't true and I know I'm going to send email or texts where someone's going to argue with me and that's buying argue away I've never gone over some profit and loss statement where it was not more profitable for them to refer all their buyers out after they had been qualified and all the listing leads were pulled out. To refer those buyers out to other agents in their marketplace for thirty five or thirty percent referral fee. I have yet to find example where that was not more profitable referring the buyer leads out than trying to build a buyer's agent staff and a buyer's agent team. Now, if you're part of the XP, would I just gave you is a great great system for you to go about starting to add people to your revenue share group by essentially putting together a group. Of agents that you trust to do a great job and make them part of referral team but they have to be part of the XP I mean there's another side benefit if you're part of the XP and by the way, if you guys want to learn more about XP realty without a doubt, it is going to be the world's most dominant real estate brokerage and I said the world and they they expand internationally I'm hearing rumors and seeing them higher up people. The X.. P.. Realty is going to go so fast across Latin America. It's GonNa. Start spreading over anywhere in Europe that English is spoken, which by the way everywhere in Europe I you can go to Poland you can go to Italy now not rural. But you can go to Germany, you can go to everywhere in Europe, they speak their native tongue, but they all are taught in grade school had a speak English as well. So you're going to see EXP expanding so fast if you're interested in learning more about XP royalty because it is without a doubt, the single best business opportunity of most of our most of our lifetimes. I made it super simple for you just text the word e XP Two, three, one, nine, nine, six, text, the Word X., P. Three, one, nine, nine, six, and when you do in text you back quick nine minute video watch the video you're going to have a lot of your questions answered and then you can have a call with someone dancer. Any follow up questions and maybe move forward with us the XP. All right. So before I got on the XP Tangent, what was the what were saying? Well, we were talking about and entered hotline. We're talking about how your best buyers are not Internet referring. Teams Right yes. In the your best buyers are the ones driving by the overheads. Coaching story about that from yesterday Great, coaching client in Paducah Kentucky circuits cases she's putting scuttling listing putting lock box on the front door. Guide parks is actually he was already in the driveway wishes like who is this guy in the truck? So she's during lock box, he walks up introduces himself. He says, I've been watching what this homeowner has been doing I saw the house before they rehabbed. Me and my wife are super interested in it. Do you mind if I walk through? He even said a just so you know already working with another agent. You know he was like totally you he told her about his financing told her about his age like this guy is ready to buy that house and she's like shirk. You know he was literally like right there. He beat her to it right and she's putting locks on. So I don't know whether he ended up being violent but I was so as far as like the buyers and and pre-qualifying there isn't that you don't want to delegate pre-qualifying you don't WanNA delegate to the A. Delegate to some you know WanNa be successful agent is because you're GONNA lose listing leads like you cannot possibly believe, and so here's the just to the script and whether you're saying is from someone calling you directly or they left a voicemail for you or whether they're call three hundred home hotline it does not matter how you got the lead and I want you guys completely forget all this bullshit about all these stupid rules that people preach someone texts you you're only supposed to tax them back. If someone emails you, you're only supposed to email them back if some district that it's all bunch of crap, here's the bottom line you call everyone back. Okay, call everyone back voice voice if they send you to voicemail fine but call people back don't sit up all these rules that are just basically thinly disguised. Mechanism so that you don't actually have to do the real work of real estate, which is learning how to you know professional conversations with people. So, if someone's calling the home hotline, for example, here's the script. Here's the first three or four lines. And I know this because I used to say it a billion times I haven't said this professionally speaking to an actual client forever but still works because this is what he coach our clients to say. Ring rang. Hello. So I'm sorry. So just called they hundred home hotline they listened to information about the house in the park in front and they and they see the sign and then they call the hundred hotline number or they text it doesn't matter, and then here's what they're going to hear your calling out. On the street, it's a three bedroom, two bath home with the private backyard. It recently mild kitchens and bathrooms and HVAC newer roof in two, thousand twelve or whatever houses in perfect condition rae to move in near perfect condition rae to move in the house is currently priced in the mid five hundred's right for more information press zero and that kind of thing, and then just in. Thank you for calling about one-two-three M street that's it, and then what's going to happen is probably maybe ten percent are gonNA press zero for more information, but you're going to call in you are going to. Call every single one of them back because here's what's happening. If you noticed according I, did not give him the price of give them the price range. Now, you don't want to put the price and the recording for several reasons in the biggest one is you want to basically not have to go there and update the audio every time you change the price you guys are spoiled thinking houses sell themselves in twenty seconds but in this new market they're not going to in so that price the original house and price at five fifty is going to be you know five, twenty, nine, two weeks. Because maybe they're five, ten buyer in your five forty can say mid five, hundred that's right. Interest those two reasons. So that's the reason that you don't ever say so you want to do low five, hundred's mid five, hundred's upper five hundred. You don't actually want to say the actual price the other is is they don't know the actual price and they're still curious right now here's the next key and this is the thing that agents always screw up on more chasing buyers because this is all about chasing buyers and are hidden agenda not so hidden as always to pull off the sellers is you have to have with I have. Termed Copyright and trademark don't steal it called furiously fast lead blow up. So furiously fast lead follow up means you call every single lead back within like moments? No not manager two minute again I know there's people that have all these stupid rules. Do not tax dig and not don't put them into drip campaigns guys lesson all that stuff is a bunch of procrastinating crap. Drip campaigns don't work long term lead fall up. You know it's not worth doing if you can't prequalify them for motivation and they're not motivated to buy within ideally or transact. Hits my Stupid Watch. Isn't it? Isn't that funny. Told that story. quickly. Zoe often playing with my phone looking at videos or something. I. Often get scam likely calling I just hit delete her whatever. Billingham. What's every night basically? Thumbing my way or something, and so one day she goes is Kim likely a coaching client. Why don't you like? Are you never take her call? Back scam likely. It's not a good class. So the scam likely thing when we answer because I get the call up to, it's something in Chinese. Knows what's going? Yeah it's so Jelena. When you guys get a message you can send back an SMS in pre written messages while so Julie Tex back we're on our way. See you there. You know who knows what it is. We don't speak Chinese anyway. So that was scam likely. Well. So you call these people back in your your goal is to call them back immediately and by immediately immediately, and you don't want to put them in a drip campaign. You WanNa, put a long-term lead up look if you guys want to do that because you're hoping and praying that that person somehow going to raise their hand eventually and do a transaction with you go for it but I want you to put absolutely no effort or emotional. Hoping and praying that doesn't going to materialize into something. They never have really shouldn't even do that unless you actually talk to them and that's right. Otherwise, you might as well put the whole phone book into your database. But what we agents do is they get these weak leads from bought leads from like facebook. So they get week agents buying week leads. And they're putting these week leads into these weekly follow up programs as in w. e. k. and then they're hoping and praying that sometimes those those people miraculously raised their hand and they celebrate when they're able to sort of you know Sarah Tissue Sarah Taisei Right Syrup tissues high. Yeah close enough anymore caffeine. You're looking at me like have you are you daft? The answer is, yes it's Friday I'm daft Julie you don't have to look at me. As. Well so Yes. So you look at, for example, what was I see how it got off my? This is the problem with Friday shows. I know. But what was the point of that? Scam likely tried to call again. So you were kind of midway through the buyer conversion script, which also is kind of a buyer prequalification script point being that you call them immediately with urgency and you ask good questions you can find out. Oh, I, remember that way you don't just throw them all in your database and hope for the best. So the reason that long-term. Lead fall up doesn't work and the risk. Even when you guys have these fancy systems basically report to you when they've opened your email or they watched the video and whatever because it doesn't mean anything who cares if you can't get him on the phone and actually pre in them and find out if they have the house to sell find out what their time frame is. If, you're asking the hard questions to determine their actual motivation the why are you keeping him around and you guys it's shocking to me. You put value on leads leads have no value, and by the way the same leads you have a thousand other agents have the same leads I'm GonNa say that again because those two points are really important leads, themselves have no value at lead is worthless unless you prequalify the late for. Motivation now motivated lead a motivated prequalified lead that has value busy lead as just a name and phone number on a piece of, is there complete crap and those if you guys who buy leads from any of the portals zillow or whatever, or you're generating your own leads just because you fill out a form, your they filled out a form on facebook leads funnel thing and you think that lead has value you're just fooling yourself. And the reason you do this if you WanNa, cut through your Malarkey is because you don't want to actually do the real work of real estate, which is learning how to pick up the phone and have real conversations. You're GONNA have your asleep fast asleep ball up. You think that there's something wrong with the idea that you have to be beholden to calling people back right away and asking them tough questions they'll help sift. And sort whether or not they're legitimate buyers or not. Well, you know what's funny about that is the best buyers who really are motivated in have together either with cash or financing. They're like down the pipe with that they actually want to talk to you and you know evidence of that is when this still happens to this day when you call back with the regency whether it's eight hundred home hotline or not they're always like. Are you a recording? Are you? Well let's let's get to it then. I mean. It's almost like they don't believe it's a real person. Will you're getting to let's say you want to be the buyer Okay. So I say Ring Ring No, you're calling me. Hello, hi I'm calling about one two, three ELM street. I just went past it and I was just wondering about the price. That's a terrific property. Everybody's calling about that one. It seems Let me look that up on the computer to make sure it's still listed and see what the current prices. Oh by the way, which house in the neighborhood are you thinking about selling? Oh I live in the neighborhood like right next door and I'm not really sure what I'm GonNa do yet. Okay. Terrific's, and then you pick up the last of the script I must stop right there. So our buyer script and what we want you guys to do is we want you to treat every single byerly does if they're also a seller and hiding because depending on your a, you're a price range that is going to be true ninety, nine percent if you're dealing in the mid Leonard, the upper end price range now if you're. Dealing the upper upper end price range, those people won't have to sell before they buy. But if you're dealing and really where most of you are ninety nine percent of you or me dealing with people that present US buyers but they're actually sellers and furthermore they can't buy unless they sell. But because you guys don't know how to have the seller conversation with him, you waste too much time focusing on the wrong end of the transaction, which is the buyer side or they they lose the buyer before they even get to that question. They just answer the question what price. So let's rewind for a second. You said you know high going I said, I'm calling on one, two, three, hundred was the price right and if I just say four nine Oh, why I mean maybe I'm not even going to tell you that I'm only a three ninety nine buyer. I'm just going to say, okay thanks bye and what is the asking the question by the way which house in the airport thinking about selling you ask that question right there and our entire scrap pull the script up. A couple other fun things that are halfway down the script. Our entire script is designed to work like that and using psychology, and it's making us. So the psychology of sales is working on your behalf. Again Jillian I wrote this and refined it and our goal was to make a year and a half to thank you just ask the questions I'm looking at the script right now and you read the questions and you write in the answers to what they say, and then you use that for essentially keeping track of them as the League going forward. That's the whole point of this dam script said, the prequalification is actually embedded in the conversion script. That's the point that's the fun part. So for example, your next question is, how long have you been looking for your home right and then we also talk. About the I love this one because it's kind of a different way of asking if you're working with an agent I, assume because you're calling me directly are not already working with another real slowdown. Did you hear us? She asked that question? So the next question is a Julius Nice to meet you I'm looking up on the computer and let's just say Julia says she doesn't have a house to sell in the neighborhood case choose the first time buyer whatever or she sold her house added stages relocating. Okay. Perfect and then I'm going to say so how long the next question is how long you've been looking And I been looking for the past ninety days and then you say, you don't ask the question. Are you working with an agent? That is a question that any moderately sophisticated buyers going to know the answer is yes. Because then they're gonNa get you to shut up and just give them the information and get off the phone. Right. So the the way ask the question is and I assume because you're calling me directly, you're not working with another agent. When you ask the question like this, they're actually going to tell you the truth. If you ask the question, the other way they're going to tell you just whatever it takes to get you off the phone. It's like psychology, but it works. So well, it's the same reason that the second question is. Everyone you know everyone's calling about the house terrific property. Oh, by the way, which house in the neighborhood you thinking about selling when you ask that question at the top of the script when you first start that conversation with them, they're not going to lie to you. They're going to tell you the truth because they weren't expecting that question. So they won't be mentally emotionally prepared for right that's the reason we. Put it up there because what most of you do is you're not professional and you've had frankly bad training and the bad trainers told you to say dumb things where you're supposed to somehow friend up in bond with this buyer bond barn around with Marianne matching great Ne- minutes, and then maybe maybe they have the guts to ask that question you have a dog, I have a dog, you're human I'm a human. You live in a house I live in house. We're perfect for each other I can work with you and then like an hour later, they then somehow meander into a conversation about the house the seller has to sell do you think the buyers and the sellers want to? Waste their time getting to know you like that. You guys are just acting unprofessionally. House to act that's The you imagine walking into your dentist office I mean think about how it actually means and what it actually has to work with professional. You Walk in, you go up to the counter you fill it forms and paperwork. Yup You sit your aspect down the chair you have a clipboard crap you fill out and then you sit there and then you go. To the doctor and there's a very expected procedures to how things are supposed to work. Same thing when working with any professional and he service providers can have a system. Now with agents, you don't have a choice either you will not be seeing the doctor without those forms filled out. That's right and that's the eating. Right and that's the approach that we want. You guys at least consider taking. This is the reason. This is the this is the process that they have to go through for you to work with them, and if they don't want to answer these questions if they don't want to if they're just wasting time and you end up losing lead good, your job is not collect leads. The more leads when we have a coaching client and this is again this time of year, we always get a lot of these guys. Guys and Gals Okay tell me about your business how many leads do you have I have and it's usually some ridiculous number and then they say, well, I have thirty two leads okay and how many then I have another sub hardly it's my drip follow up Cam. Thousand Ones Yeah people. Brag. About it. I, literally for like thirty seconds in. What two thousand are you just putting everybody in your drip campaign Yup for the past three years. It's the it's the race. It's this analytical week sales bad training. You Know Mickey Mouse where your goal is to somehow these huge databases or these huge lead lists where then you just drip campaign crap out onto the cows come home but you guys, I said it before I'll say it again leads have no value and everyone else has your leads. That's the truth you think that. Is Only, on your list you guys are dropping off Chomsky's for your syrup influenced and past clients you first podcast before talking about the hilarity of. Pumpkin, Pie things November. There's Julia read a real estate someone our wants and. They broke into masterminds and Julian area. There was presenters. So we kind of flooded from one table, the next and the topic came up as what are you supposed to do for centers of influence, the past clients around the holidays and all these different groups of ages these different table start talking about freaking Pumpkin pies and I thought it was so insane that I actually started asking questions so you guys are in. Similar markets and remember this was like it was like and land or something. The chances of these guys not having the same people and their same centers of influence past clients list was about zero. So I said. So if you're Bob, if you're dropping off a Pumpkin Pie at the Smith's house and you see Jane's Pie sitting there on the kitchen on the stoop. And then as you're pulling driveway John Pulling in the driveway drop-off another by I mean I'm trying to make them laugh. But what is really trying to do is point out the insanity of what you guys think is lead follow up at how you actually you're trying to dake bond fake relationship with people but people don't want that they don't want your Damn Pie, they want you solve the problem. Pest raccoons eat it all over their porch set night. Yeah. Exactly. And so like you when you go to your dentist do isn't high going to the dentist while he's doing procedure and having him even try to talk or or try talk let's done. Just get it done. Right isn't that what a real perfect and the way you get business centers of influence a past clients away you build your database away you make people send you business is yes because they like you but. They're not going to like you unless you solve their problem. They don't like you because you gave mme pie they like you because you help them by ourselves house the Pie was not necessary. Now, we're not suggesting you don't keep up with your centers of influence and past clients. We are suggesting you call them and you can they to things like usually suggest once a month, the postcard or something of value them something of value as you said, like a market report update A. You know a absorption rates study. That's Not. Saying go all driver on everybody we're talking about is just help people using good scripts. It's it's an approach to business that true professionals take, and that's the reason our scriptures written the way it is isolate. We then asked I assume because you're calling me directly you're not working with another agent, and then we can get into the weeds about levels of motivation. So continue to read the question and then I you talked about you said, 'cause remember we asked how long they've been. Looking, you've been looking for X. number of days months years whatever interesting ideally, how could do you want to be in your next? Okay. So those two questions are important rate. So how long you've been looking for your house and then the the form basically gives gives you an opportunity say I've been looking for you know filmed days months or weeks, and then they say they've been looking for like I had this memorize but I want you to read it so I don't screw it up. They say well, I've been looking for a month and then you say interesting go back to that script. Yes. Hab. Well, the love this part because it says, have you seen any homes that you've liked yes or no? Okay. If no, what what about the homes that you've seen have you not liked? So this is a little bit of rapport building but in fact, oftentimes buyers roaming around looking at new construction or open house or whatever they do have something and the next question is. When he decided to do about it because you might have sale right there. Okay. If, they. Okay. So let's say that they did great. What about the did you like based on what you liked about that home this is what you're looking for in your next home, and then you write down what they're looking for the home. You said you like, did you make an offer on that house? If no? would. You like to make an offer? If yes, why didn't that work out? So you're you're. Finding out if they're kind of lightly working with somebody as well through that. So what you're doing is you're basically saying, how long have you been looking great while you've been looking whether properties zip have you seen any properties if you'd like no or yes and then if they say, yes, then you ask, well, did you make an offer on that property if they say no, and then you say, well, if the property is still available, would you like to make an offer on the property? and. You guys are going to find a lot of times they're going to say, yes, I would like to make an offer on the property and I didn't make an offer on the property because I walked into an open house and the agent didn't offer to write the offering ever asked me to nobody. I've ever asked when we were selling real estate. We sold tons of houses just because we ask that one question shocking shocking nobody bothered ask them. Okay. So you have to ask that. All right. Now, let's say that that didn't happen. The next part is, let me ask you if I were to show you a house that would fit all of your needs. This is the home you're looking for on a scale of one, ten, ten meaning. You'd absolutely immediately by the home with you rate yourself, they say anything other than attend than you move under. So if they say that they say seven and you say seven congratulations. So let me ask you what would it take to get you to attend. You seem surprised I remember the script that's okay. You know the key here to and I find this when agents are learning scripts, you have to actually listen to the answer maybe. So anxious to go to the next script question because you'll wasted your time if you don't retain what they're actually telling because here's what you're gonNA find a scale of one to ten Julie. Summary Okay good for a home in X. Area. The homes have X. number bedrooms bathrooms. You know a big backyard private space whatever zoom room. Okay. So you're just summarizing. So you're showing them that you listened. We have that in the script to kind of force them to really hone in on what the buyer wants. You guys listening you understand what she's saying. So at this point in the script, what we want you to do is take a breath and summarize everything the buyer said to you and repeat it back to them. So they then can hear that you listened subconsciously you've already put yourself at a different level than most agents who just want to talk about Golden Retriever, and so now you're GonNa be you know essentially then moving forward with the conversation and then believe it or not you're going to start asking motivation or close questions and this on your first call. Yeah and the funny thing is by actually asking you have built report with them. So those of you who are report builders you're you are doing that okay. So here's a good one. ASSUMPTA question. What's the name of lender working with? That's right. What's who's WHO's the lender you're working haven't then you can have the lender conversation and what price range has that lender pre-approved before or what price range have. They told you not to go over. Now here's the thing this save so much time because what do agents do are you working with a lender? How do you like them Yada Yada? This is what are they told you not to go over because if they're not working with the lender, that question will still get that information. That's right. Okay. So let's see. Have you actually gotten preapproved just started the process. So you've already signed the loan application that's in there because buyers don't know the difference between approved prequalified had you signed the loan application? Let Julius. This question this so unscaled okay. Mr Mr Buyer. So just so I'm sure about in we didn't ask this question is is a little scroll up. So on a scale of one to ten, if I show you a house, it's a three bedroom two and a half bath. The meets all your criteria on a scale of one to ten. How motivated would you be to purchase that House today with ten being you just want me to shut up and stop talking how you felt the contract and one being keep looking, and then they're going to say the number they're going to say probably seven this is what we skipped over right is right there he skipped. Over if they're not attend, you went into if they are tense if they are not if anything less than a ton, even a nine, what would it take for you to attend? Great. So you're a seven. So let me ask you what would it take to get you to attend that's the question you asked to find out what their motivation is and going again, we're going back a slight half step Europe. The reason you're asking that question because you want to know if there's anything else lingering, that's preventing them. From perching purchasing this House that they claim would be a perfect fit right I said, if it's a ten checks, all the boxes, where Drayton motivation by the House today, they don't say a ten there's something else that's floating around their head and then you're gonNA find out well, I have to see if you know. When pigs fly or actually some relocation Spouses and onboard right or they're not sure about the sale of their house after we get married or after we have a baby or whatever. Okay. So now you have more information specifically on what they're looking for whether they're working with an agent or not. You know what their motivation is. You know exactly what they're looking for. You know how to make them attend you have all the information and you found out whether or not they had a house to sell as your second question. Now, by the way, as your second question, if they said, they did have a house to sell. We want you to finish asking the questions, but we really want you to do is use eight. Secondary script which we're not gonNA. Be Talking about today and we want you to pivot and start asking them a seller pre-qualifying questions and we need you to prioritize all your listing leads ahead of your buyer elites. Now in this marketplace obviously it's easier to get a house sold than it is to find a house for a buyer to buy but six. Months from now that will not be the case. But if you don't chase that sell early down, here's what you're. GonNa do if you start making the you know again inexperienced agent mistake and you start treating those people as a buyer knowing that they have a house to sell. You won't only not sell them a house, but you're going to end up. Basically losing listing, they will list the house with somebody else because they were not. They didn't understand why you didn't actually aggressively pursue the listing and they assume you were just a buyer's agent and that happens all the time because you guys are not asking the you're not doing the real work of real estate and asking real drill down pre call quest. Questions and acting professionally, and that applies to every call not just when it's over your magic price range where you believe that they might have a house to sell investors call on first time homebuyers. They might have a whole bunch of crap. They WANNA list with you don't if you don't ask her yeah I mean we. Are Coaching clients. You know when they use the script, they use you quickly discover not just one hidden transaction. You might discover multiple hidden transactions. You could find all kinds of things. Well, I have to sell five rental properties I or waiting for I have to sell. Whatever my brother and I are selling out of a farm and we're looking to for sale. That's worth. You know ten million dollars in what's that sells? We're going to buy three houses, but you're just treating that byerly. There's just one up buyer not actually drilling down and finding out what's out what other real estate things were circulating in their heads. You okay. So I love this question because this is your pre closing question. Is there anything else I didn't ask you that I should have, which is also a great for listening but is there anything else I need to know? That's just making sure that you have got all the Intel. All right. So now you're gonNA actually answer their question probably calling about price. Here's a little nuance. Right. So let's say that after you got all this information, you now know that what they called on is not in their price range or it's not for sale or it's not what they're looking for right and so you guys some of your thinking especially analytical out there thinking well, you never answer their question about price. It's because you are essentially pre-qualifying them and you could have said listen. Let me find out what else there we have coming for sale that's not on the market yet. And obviously stuff that's on the market that you might not know about and some the new construction stuff. You might not know about and you know obviously then based on how these questions I'll know what to send you when information to share with you. But and then you can say all the best houses as I'm sure you've discovered Mr Seller have are selling usually within ness of being put for sale or magically they're put for sale at the same time they're sold and. What's really going on there Mr Sellers those actually sold before they went for sale because of agents like me knowing where these houses were introducing buyers are these properties before they hit the market. So it's OK MR buyer if you have an unfair advantage in the marketplace and that's what I'm hoping I can be for you. That's right. So perfect this is what's going to happen next we're going set up an appointment for you to come into my office so he can get the. Process started that'd be the buyer presentation at that same appointment will see the homes that I found free that are the closest match. I'm going to contact your lender to let him or her know that we're working together, and so they we can work together to help you find your financing in the buying process something like that. So you're saying, Hey, I'm your lender. We have a nice tight little thing here and you go for the appointment and at the bottom of the scripted. Actually says appointment date and time so that you don't was out on actually closing for the appointment. Now, if they won't get an appointment at that point, you can still circle back to what else is it GonNa take for you to feel comfortable and confident moving forward setting an appointment maybe there was something else maybe they just start getting started on the financing and they don't want to do anything to know the real price so along those lines as far as the financing ghosts Coaching clients with something called the ultimate agent addendum you need to use that when accepting offers on your listings, but also on the buyer side transactions use that ultimate agent in. Your accepting lenders letter for your perspective buyers lenders are trained in coach to never spend that much time with a buyer until the buyers and contract on a house. You guys don't know that you trust your buyers are you trust your lenders are doing a good prequalification job? They never do a good prequalification job. What our ultimate agent addendum does is it forces them to three merge credit report to do all the verification of employment. Assets Ready to close acceptable. Credit acceptable of just everything and what will happen is you'll get a lender slatter and they'll have very congratulations tim and Julie Harris or qualified to buy X. With this much down with interest rate not to go about this prime prime this is locked in for this time and then you're gonna see usually in the second or third paragraph subject to verification of that's telling you right there that Leonard didn't do Jack and they were playing golf they got a Call from the borrower. The Bar had a five minute conversation with them and their age or the lone officer basically said, what's your name? What's your email address will fire you off a legislator pulled it off his hard drive Senate. To him. That was that that's how much time. That's what that's what most of you guys are believing good lenders letters surprise when you get so many contracts that they can't close this because you were working the lazy lender which. Is why this also asked so you actually did the application, right? Right. So we're we're already programming them that we're serious about we want to know in disqualification thing that you guys to do is we don't know we don't you asking are you working with the letter or lender good and then get off we wanted to who the lender as we know WanNa to what their phone number is. So you can call and find out whether or not that buyer is. What they said they were going to do, and then the other thing is, is you need to explain to the buyer. It's critical in this market in this market is any market right that they've actually been preapproved with the only verification or subject to being their praise of the House and identifying the address. So that's it. So the only lenders that is that. is absolutely acceptable how it should be done. If a lender gives you are time by that because they're being lazy than agent gives you a hard time about that because they don't understand what you're trying to do or they don't WanNa do the extra effort. They should both be thanking you for pushing the deal along great and so again, the language we call it. Premier coaching clients go Harris Learning Search. It's called ultimate agent ultimate the ultimate addendum use that same language whether you're representing buyers and you basically call up the buyer's lender and you say I'm GonNa Email your whatever something and you have to make sure that lenders letter that you provide does not have any this lender weasel language in it so that when I'm working with this buyer I, know for a fact that when I present them to a perspective seller that those. People are going to be able to close. You've done your. There's nothing that we're waiting to self discovery about this where the only thing though financing is contingent on is the appraisal of the subject property. That's it. Those the only buyers you guys should ever be working with trust us on that appraisals are going to become a massive pan the ass in the next six to twelve months, and you do not want to be screwing around with a buyer that has a. Perspective appraisal problem at the same time they've got jenky employment. The lenders are going to put all kinds of crazy overlays. So you might hear, well, you only have to have a credit score of six hundred with five percent down and whatever whatever. But there's no lender in the face of the earth it's not putting additional. You know minimum standards for qualifying to obtain that mortgage on top of whatever the F. FAA or failure Freddie of said. So the overlays are what's going to kill your deals and I heard. One client said that Wells Fargo head told him that they had been told to us two thousand and nine underwriting standards. Oh Yeah because they had gone through the subprime thing tightening up and so he's like well, what does that supposed to mean? They said, well, you know just exactly what you said just because you're got twenty percent down a decent job doesn't mean it's a slam dunk yup they They said, you know probably going to take twenty five to thirty self employed people are really soft self-employed people anybody that does anything in real estate, all these different little subcategories. Of course and the lenders aren't going to like report okay. Bank of America now has come out with a bunch of overlays and you know it's going to make it even ten times harder for your bio scale loan here they're not gonNa tell you these are just new standards that get updated and there's usually not even an announcement amongst the underwriters going through their checklists and they see there's a new standard I'll give you guys and one we talked about this podcast as either wells Fargo. Thing was wells Fargo. Maybe it's no wells that made it so that you have to have one million dollars in assets at wellsfargo before you can get a one million of. It wasn't alone or refinance before you can do a refinance for a million and above you have to have a million on deposit before they will let you refinance a house. That's where the mortgage after the revised a million or above why are they doing because what a lot of people did back in the shit show that was the housing crash is they did by and bails or they did refinance bales so people would reap refinanced your mortgage. You don't have to pay taxes on the proceeds from a refinance, they'd put the. Money in the bank, and then they basically default on their loans step the you know the bank would now be carrying this paper from a defaulted loan. The House depreciates, but the borrower got all their equity out and the other thing that they were doing is the borrow before defaulted on the house would refinance pull the equity out. Then get another mortgage used the equity from their previous House from there he locks the down payment on the next one. Then they'd start making payments on the first one, it was called by and bail. Listeners many of them I know. Thing I promise you of the tens of thousands have listened show. There's like three that actually experienced. Yeah. Well. That was just the tip of the iceberg of some of the whack a doodle things that. I remember when I lifted houses in Las Vegas and we were looking at something looked vacant that looked interesting to us. We were out front and where the neighbors came out and remember this when the neighbors came out he's like what do you want to know about that house like well, you know status kind of interesting somebody. Lake Las Vegas I. Think. So and he said, well, I'll tell you what I'm. Neighbor was buying the next neighbor's house and they were all doing by bail so that they would buy before they stop making the payment on the old one stay in the same neighborhood lose the negative equity. It was even more convoluted by the neighbor's house through a short sale. Sarah. Buying at a discount. So they're getting the equity out of their house buying the neighbor's house short sale at a better price, and then there are bailing on their old one I mean that's it. Now, that was a product of a couple of years into the housing crash. That's probably Two thousand ten immediately adopt a little while for people to figure it out. But that's part that is absolutely related to why lenders are are using their overlays in their risk management. People are saying not this time we're not going to let you do that. You'RE GONNA, have money on deposit. So if you want to know why it seems crazy in the lending. World. That's because they've been through. You know crazy time and violating bailing guys is legal all these things at the borrowers dead back no seven through whatever and there's something called recourse versus non-recourse, and so a non-recourse loan and some states have non-recourse loans as just that's the state law like California a non-recourse means if you default on your first mortgage if it's A refinance most refinances were then becoming a recourse but non-recourse means if you default on it, the lender can't go after illegally for the deficiency. Well, even last go round even states that had recourse laws on the books in other words. If you defaulted like I, Remember Nevada, you defaulted on a property in Nevada Julie. Now, we're looking to purchase distressed property then. And we're looking to buy short sales defaulted on a short sale Nova or if you defaulted on a mortgage and Nevada and the bank ended up selling it for less than what was owed on the mortgage and they lost fifty thousand dollars legally they could actually go after you get a judgment and go after for that. Fifty thousand dollar loss. I. Think it was for up to a year but there was again don't quote me on this but I believe that there was not a single case of a single lender. A. Single State that actually even if they could, we're going after the borrowers for recourse on the defaulted loans. Now be careful what I'm telling you because even if you're a state with no recourse Yeah. With non-recourse California, the non-recourse goes away as soon as you refinance that loan becomes recourse. So are a little nuance things that unfortunately had to now. Well. Okay. So you guys are now listening to us and you're saying Oh my God Tim and Julie are speaking of Hieroglyphs and yes, I know higher or you read not you speak. Again A nerdy joke. Speaking in tongues but this is all these are all the things that you're going to have to be familiar with next year guaranteed you're. Weight, we are definitely seeing little inklings of all this stuff starting with the tightening tightening of mortgage regulations, right? That's one of them. Appraisals are coming in lower. Yup. Now, that's a little bit of a rash of that right now, the fact that there's more expires around means that some of that aspirational pricing that you guys were enjoying his coming to an end. So on that note I guess guys have some work to do this weekend and sellers to I had similar experiences as you said, not seven hundred because we didn't go back that far. But in every case I was really surprised to see how. Many expires 'cause you know they all they all think everything cells fast and furious but it is possible to actually overprice something even in a hot sellers market or what you perceive to be a hot sellers market because that many expired around tells you that it's starting to transition. I'll suggest to all of you if you're not excited about the opportunity that's going to be presenting itself and your near future. If you're not excited about it, you're you're completely mentally and emotionally missing. The boat because the all these changes are going to create huge opportunities few to be of service to other people, there are going to be more agents more people are getting the real estate licenses not fewer but how many of those agents are actually going to take the time know even a smidge of the things we just talked about let alone how to actually do a thorough brier prequalification. You guys understand the importance of knowing how to ask questions in which order to. Ask. The, questions, you understand the importance of not just winging it with too many of you guys think as you know what you're supposed to do you know how many of you right now you're listening with Julie I just said feel overwhelmed now goes to someone telling you how to run facebook ads where you can pay you know forty cents per byerly new think that somehow that's what you should be doing with your business even after listing with Julie and I just described you. Quote from one of our coaching clients about that. There was a discussion on our facebook page. We have for our members and one of them said, you know I'm considering buying these viral. For. More experienced longer term members he goes the those people that you get from doing that kind of buying a buyers leads are so far out and so non motivated that your career will not last long enough for you to actually help them. That's true. You know and I think that's and he he was speaking from experience too so. You got to be smart about what you're doing this leads everywhere Dr leads everywhere guys this is this is the problem. This is the best time to be enroll estate since probably I would say I would say probably this is the best time to enroll estate ever analyst Jillian career because there's more opportunities and frankly you guys can leverage more technology and things like that to get those opportunities quicker and all you gotta do your ultimately the one thing that should make you happy. Proud encouraged. Is. The real work of real estate can't beat you know delegated a I can't be delegated to a VA in the Philippines can't be delegated to under skilled agent you can try but it won't work for you to succeed in this marketplace. What your mission should be is to learn what to say how to say you've got to learn the skills and when you do you're going to be confident. So we just told you today tomorrow and the weekend it's expired Palooza. How many of you? Are Listening how many of you are going to go to your lesson many expires there are how many of you are just going brushed that off and you're going to go work on your brand or your website rate how many of you guys are actually going to take seriously the opportunity that these types of markets present and if not, why aren't you be honest with yourself? Why aren't you? You know what we said is true. You know how we're saying it is true you the information. We're delivering US going to work. So why aren't you doing something with it? Why aren't you? You need to really drill down introspective about that answer in the meantime guys. Hopefully, we're helping you we're doing our best to educate you and obviously through the education hopefully, you'll feel motivated but ultimately, the third part is going to be up to you. It's just getting you into action. You have to get yourself an action Jillian I are good at getting your fire started we're the kindling, we're the match. But ultimately, you have to make that into a bonfire. That's what we're going to continuously tried to every Single Day and our coaching company or podcasting anything we can do to help you guys stay the course anything. We can ever do to help you. You know you can always reach me directly text me at five, one, two, seven, five, eight, zero, two, six, listen listeners. Thank you for continuing to make. This number one listened to daily podcast for real estate professionals. At least in the United States, we sincerely appreciate it. It is amazing and it's wonderful to see. So many of you that are embracing the message that delay are putting out there with regards to a return to sanity to the real estate business we are ending an era of all these tech companies and all these buying byerly is and all this. Fake acting like you're working when you're not really working social networking, Mickey, mouse, all of that stuff is GonNa weed itself out because the market's going to force all those bad ideas to sean for what they are and the agents that are going to be left standing the brokerage is going to be left. Standing are the ones that are actually know how to get the job done. Be of service to other people. The way you can do that is by knowing how to help other people solve their problem stature mission in life. That's what you're on this planet to do in the meantime if you guys needs for anything, always feel free to text me directly at five one, two, seven, five, eight, Oh two Oh, six, we'll talk with you on the show tomorrow. This program has been a presentation by Tim and Julie. Real Estate Coaching for more information on the real estate coaching and training programs visit our website at Tim and Julie Harris Dot Com. 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Podcast: Todays Urgent Real Estate Headlines | Coming Real Estate Market Shift?

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35:32 min | 1 year ago

Podcast: Todays Urgent Real Estate Headlines | Coming Real Estate Market Shift?

"Welcome to real estate. Coaching Radio starring award-winning real estate coaches and number one. International bestselling authors. Tim and Julie Harris Real Estate Coaching Radio is the nation's number one daily radio show for realtors who demand authentic real time. Coaching get ready for fly. Free unfiltered full-strength honesty about what's truly working to get you into action helping others and making money now in today's real estate market data or hosts. Tim and Julie Hairs three to one. And we're back. We have a fun show for you guys today. This show is going to be a little bit of an ebb and flow. Because as always delayed I spent really arguably far far too much time researching the headlines that are most relevant for you guys is real estate businesses and we always try to find a balance between good news and bad news. And I'M NOT GONNA lie to you guys. It's mostly turning into the direction that we predicted. It would with regards to how this is all going to shake out over the rest of the year reading you some of the headlines and reviewing some commenting on the headlines and whatnot so I think you guys will really appreciate this and remember Jillian. I are what we're focused on primarily. We're trying to get you guys to stay in action. We're trying to motivate you. Were trying to educate you but mostly we have to get you into action. And Yeah so joey walking today show yes. Thank you and I'm searching for interesting. Non Negative stuff all the time as well just never know. I got some good Client Stories Etcetera. Yes so it'll be a mixture this time guys so look guys. We're entering into what's going to feel like a big relief for most of you and it's going to be unsatisfying and I mean Matt in the literal sense that you guys some of you. I can tell by your emails and whatnot. Think that the whole thing's behind us and the truth is it's not what by whole thing. I mean the pandemic by whole thing I mean the economic slowdown the recession. That we're in or some people are calling. Depression hopes to lead to a recession rate depression. Worse being being worse than a recession. Well this week and next week all the economic data's going to start pouring out about how bad it actually is in just some people that we follow that are experts at this stuff. Are suggesting that it's going to be just beyond worst-case Scenarios Spurs unemployment as far as the overall devastation to the economy. Not just ours but global economy so it turns out. It's a really bad idea to shut the world down for two months as it turns out. That's not a good idea who knew well so mentally emotionally be prepared financially. You're prepared because if mentally and emotionally prepared and educationally really then you're never going to be prepared in terms of financial because you're not going to direction to go and you're not GonNa know what to do. I had probably three calls today from people who are specifically interested in joining Julia. Ni- On our XP team. And why are we getting so many calls because agents are smart? Least those of you who listen to our podcast are and you realize that the way forward is different than the way Ford from sixty ninety days ago. You're realizing that you should have had altered. Basically multiple sources of income that HE XP PROVIDES. You realize that you probably maybe are not at a broker right now. That's going to be in business sixty nine days from now and so you're looking to know and understand what your alternatives are and I'm GonNa give you guys to directions that you can go with. Xp curiosity the number one is just to text the word ESP to three one nine nine six tech stored e. x. p. three one nine nine six. It will text you back a quick seven and nine minute video. That go goes over the high points of the XP if you're ready to join the XP if you're serious about it if you want to have a direct conversation with me text me directly at five one two seven five eight. Oh Two oh six. Especially if you're a broker a team you obviously have more complex issues and the video is not really going to cover it so you WanNa call me directly or just text me directly five one two seven five eight zero two zero six and I have to say Jillian. All the businesses decisions we've made in our past thirty years of being married twenty five years and being in business together. I have to say joining xp a year and a half ago or so is probably one of the smartest things that we did. But I'll tell you what's even smarter than that and that's my personal perspective was essentially introducing it to all of our students in all of our coaching clients. And really anyone. That cares to listen because the feedback. I'm getting from all those folks. Now that have been in for six months to a year that are some of them were getting obviously. They're making lots of times more money than commission splits and they're making before but the feedback. I'm getting about those who are receiving revenue share. That's emotional because a lot of them have sources of income that are coming in from other than the real estate transactions other than just having to work for it. It's coming in passively through revenue share. And they're so grateful for having essentially been in the place mentally and emotionally year year and a half ago or even nine hundred twenty s ago to be receptive to joining xp otherwise they wouldn't have the passive money that they have coming in. Now it really is a revelation and they're all state industry guys and you need to be aware of it so text the word. Espn two three one. Nine nine six. Or if you're ready to join xp or if you have a team or a brokerage you can speak with me directly. Just text me directly at five one. Two seven five eight zero two six off to the news. You got it so first of all. What's going on with this money? Ask for their third round of funding needed. Kudlow said quote. It may be but did not commit to more systems for PC or funding for state and local governments. We waited a little bit too long. I thought when the last tranche ran out so I think he's referring to the first round which ran out very quickly the second round Round of the paycheck protection program launched last Monday in his so far provided two million loans worth one hundred seventy five billion out of the total three hundred ten billion Congress authorized in the last relief package. So this is going to run out again and we will see whether there's going to be a third round or not. I would count on it if you haven't applied for your time is absolutely running out right in the part of the ultimate agent survival guide that we give you guys for free and we also tell you to fill out all the paperwork for the SBA unemployment mortgage for balanced e all that stuff. Just text the word survival. Two three one nine nine six are. There's a story that I actually sent to me from housing where this one's great prepared to cover. Servicers advance on loans and forbearance. We're paying attention this for Barrett story because we know that some of you guys had differing experiences putting your properties in forbearance. Forbearance is going to be the thing that frankly either delays a house and crash or saves us from a housing crafts for Barrett's is something I wish they would have done before Back no seven through nine because it really would save a lot of people from the pain anguish and financial destruction of losing their homes. The same thing is going to happen now. Now the essentially all the services are agreeing to comply with the cares act which necessitates them putting mortgages inference for twelve months. Do you have any new details on that? Oh well basically the servicers figuring out how they're going to get covered the F. h. f. a. The Federal Housing Finance Agency announced that they can These are fed fannie and Freddie loans will only be required to cover four months instead of basically forever so that was the first step and now they're starting out that they actually should have the liquidity to cover this which will ultimately trickle down to fewer lender overlays. We hope there has been a lot of confusion about this about lenders protecting themselves because they still have to pay their investors. So you're rolling into the other story right. Yeah okay. Don't story without basically letting them know about the bottom line with regards to forbearance is so all of you guys can get put your mortgages into twelve month forbearance as the bottom line. We've been saying sorry to interrupt you because there's so much confusion on the cares act says specifically yes. You have the right to request a forbearance you do anyway. But they're being very clear about this and the Care Zach says for one hundred eighty days with the possibility of one hundred eighty days after that which equals twelve months worth of forbearance. The confusion has been how the the lenders have been handling it. But you need to get everything in forbearance. Remember that's primary residence vacation home Rental Properties pretty much. Anything you need an don't believe the hype about there being a balloon payment and like you know some of you guys think you have to pay the miss payments at the end of the forbearance not true. There's no hits to your credit. This is one that we've been doing our ultimate agent. Survival Guide presentation. I think we did it. Maybe fifteen times last week on different zooms. We have won a presentation coming up for a State Association in New Mexico. Another one in actually a broker in New Mexico State Association in Wisconsin. If you guys would like us to present to your group letting all agents know about how they can fully frankly take advantage and leverage all the government bailout programs. All you've got to do is text me directly at five one two seven five eight two six and we'll be more than happy to do it. I'm just absolutely thrilled. The feedback I have to say after. Our precipitations is very emotional. Nist exciting because so many agents who are now sixty going into sometimes ninety days into this without sufficient income to cover their personal overheads. You guys are realizing this is not the time going to play. Because there's no jobs to be had so you absolutely want to know about these different bail out programs a lot at that. Information about out there join. I've spent a ridiculous amount of time as of two members of our staff researching all this making sure. We're staying on top of it if you WANNA HAVE JULIAN. I present this on a live event to your group. Zoom doesn't matter however you want to do it. Just text me at five one. Two seven by eight. Oh Two oh six in the meantime if you want access to all the information about all the bail up programs and you want to be a member of our free coaching program text the word survival two three one nine nine six and we'll text you back. Join Lake you join. Then you'll have access to all the information everything we're talking about all the mortgage contact information you need to get your mortgage is under forbearance. How to apply for an employment and most cases even ten ninety nine independent contractors are GONNA be able to receive at least twenty five hundred dollars a month and unemployment and then obviously there's the SBA P- people in Jilin. I don't think I don't think there's any real reason to believe that these programs world be broadened. The run their course anytime soon. We think they're going to be continued all the way through the end of the year. Because there's really no reason to believe that there's going to be any sort of huge turnaround in the economy just because the amount of devastation event affected essentially all aspects of the economy and not just ours but obviously global economies with that in. Mind if you're listening to US FOR THE FIRST TIME. Some of you are scared going. Oh my God podcast. Is this a wichita? Remember no matter what direction the markets are going. The interest rates are going no matter what's going on in politics no matter what's going on period you'll always be able to make money provided you essentially have the skill set that people are going to need. That skill set is completely different than the one that you've been able to use to your advantage for the past twelve months all right so So the next story is Fha a react actions resulting an unprecedented tightening of credit. We weren't you guys about that about three weeks ago. Maybe a month ago we started seeing the mortgage lenders were raising their it putting on overlays an overlay is essentially just an added set of standards. The banks put on top of whatever? The government lending standards are so the best way not to have to do battle with overlays in. Because the lenders won't tell you they're overlays. Your borrower will find out the most recent round of overlays. They raised minimum credit scores by one hundred points. They raised down payment requirements last week. Wells Fargo said not necessarily related to this specifically. But they said well. Guess what we're no longer going to do. He locks second lines of credit. No more of that you know. He home equity loans so those got cancelled but the banks were saying that they are having to tighten their standards and essentially titan. What types of loves they did because of the fear of what was going to happen from all these differences and they're gonNA lose the servicing revenue from collecting all the mortgage payments and long story short that seemingly as worked itself out as we predicted it would about a month and a half ago. They're going to have to follow the carries AC. They're gonNA have to give everyone asks for twelve months mortgage for Barrett's a twelve month mortgage for merits and you are absolutely crazy as an as an independent contractor as anyone who's listening not even in the real estate business if you don't put your house in a forbearance and you don't just give yourself the opportunity to save twelve months. Where the cash? If you don't give yourself the opera penalty with no you could still make your payment if you chose to. Okay you can still make the payment or you can just save the money. It doesn't matter the point. Is You have to be prepared for the worst. While hoping for the best and so many people in industry all they focus on the hoping for the best and no one ever talks about preparing for the worst. It's almost like there's this belief that somehow if you somehow prepare for the worst if you start saving money if you start doing all these things that somehow the I have actually heard people saying this insanity the Universe is somehow going to bring you the exact thing we're thinking about. It's a secret garbage guys. You guys have to be watching out for this mystical your wagon your head as I say. Aren't you sick of it to assist? That was true. I'm pretty sure nobody wished for global pandemic. I'm just saying guys. If you're stuck up you guys have to realize this mindset garbage that so many of you actually think is real. You believe it's real actually works against you. It works against you because then you aren't. You aren't taking personal responsibility for the results that you get the mindset stuff is like a religion if you find yourself insulted because I'm telling you the universe could give a rat's ass about what you think if you are finding yourself a confronted about that. I want you to realize it's because you have been sold a bill of goods. The Universe is not sending around listening to what you actually want to manifest in your life that comes through your actions ultimately that comes from you helping other people that is the bottom line. This whole Jillian actually. We didn't publish it in our new book. Did we. About the mindset movement. We researched it though. Yeah the whole mindset movement guys Jillian. I spent a lot of new book to give it to you. It's sitting right there. We research the whole mindset movement. I'm GonNa tell you guys that started in the Nineteen Twenty s at of mysticism. They used to do these occult rituals where people would sit around seances right. And that started in the nineteen twenties and that that was the essential germination basically. And it's even before that there's variants very loosely gathered groups of people believed in the sort of mysticism stuff and over time. They've used pseudoscience. A lot of a lot of theories in physics. Just theories pseudoscience. Means fake science to justify this belief structure that they've had really started to take hold as a sort of genre is in the one thousand nine hundred sixty s in big Sur California. There are groups of Essentially Alternative Medicine Sorts. Aka. Hippies God bless them the got together basically an started to work on these beliefs that had sort of gotten started in the nineteen twenties. And that's where all the stuff came from all the mindset stuff that you guys now think is the dream boards and the division in the all that walking on coals and all that stuff at all is rooted in pseudoscience fake science and the problem is ultimately. And I've had this happen. I've seen this happen to friends. Is You guys? Stop Learning and stop working because you believe up true story. I've gotten on this tangent true story I had a great coach and client and this is probably fifteen years ago. Him and his wife actually sold ranch land in Nevada and they're wonderful hardworking people. They worked great perfect harmony. So the secret comes out. You guys remember that cheese ball movie the so the secret comes out and all of a sudden she's like she sees it for what it is is sort of just like entertainment he totally. Is You know totally believing it now. This guy used to be the best. Practically generator worked with ranchers and farmers and people who are big slots of land looking. He was a hard worker. And all of a sudden. You Watch the secret and said I'm not. This was a little by little last call. I had with him. I no longer going to work doing. The you know practically generation not his words. This remind. Because I'm going to sit around and I'm going to manifest what I want and then I said to him I in disbelief. I said well. What exactly are you going to be doing? Well I'M GONNA be riding my bike manifesting. I'm also going to spend more time with photography. Those were his answers. Those two things in well so basically what he was saying. He's going to wait around for the world to bring him the results. That previous efforts has his employees were. That's what he believed in so many of you guys believe the same things you go to these conferences you listen these fake gurus. They're not telling you what we're telling you they're lying to you. They're telling you what you want to hear. They're letting you believe that there's some special shiny secret sauce to getting everything you want in life other than being of service to other people in good old fashioned hard work. Don't you guys see it for what it is? Don't you think this is something that twenty years from? Now you're going to laugh at yourself. If not cry that you actually believed in any of that crap guys got us. The airport is. It's fake it pseudoscience. All right rant over. That's right moving on just I laugh because I you know. It's like how long people are going to wait to figure out. That didn't work so because Julie I'll tell you what I'll tell you got me on that because I over the weekend watched I'm paying attention to the messaging. Everyone else is doing right. And I'm hoping and praying. I see other people that are in positions of leadership in the industry. Like you and I have earned right to be. I'm hoping and praying that they're gonNA start basically saying what we're saying. Copy US guys and start telling agents about the SBA. The stimulus unemployment mortgage for merits main street lending because those are practical tactical things. They're going to help. Agents basically have a lifeline to get through whatever's going to happen next in the economy. But they're not talking about that crowd they're talking about mindset crap. Hope I am. What the Hell Are you doing people? Well that isn't that always the fallback that they go to want anything happens and there's no. Annabel knows to do which is sad. They themselves don't know what else to do. So that's the reality of it. All right so yes no way. You want to do things you love idea. Because I've got a jump to premier. Listen and we have. We have five minutes so I guess wants to okay so first of all seriously murder. Hornets last week. It was alien you hate. These are the things I hate. Okay Murder Hornets. These are real. These are Hornets these are not just Beezer wasps. These things are so big that the scientists who are tracking them can attach I kid you not a streamer to the back of them. Which they can't do to be is because B.'s can't support the weight. These things are so big. That's how they're tracking them. They put a stream run them. Follow him back to the hive. Okay so why do we hate these things? Okay I'm not a big fan of visa allergic to bees but these hornets decapitate bs and then they carry off the body to feed the baby murder Hornets. What the Hell Anyway Spill? Yes we have to get rid of those now and that if we could just get the Hornets to kill the virus. I think that'd be great beyond all right so then. I have something straight out of our private coaching facebook. Page from Theresa Cook One of our Great Coaching members. She says a very start. Good Start for the month of May one seller under contract to buyers under contract listing was off the market for repairs. But now getting back active tonight. So that's definitely a great start to the month and then I have another one after skin up here. One call. One listing appointment Elizabeth Thou- Called a facebook got a new listing launching at Thursday. And of course people are all over that. How do you do it? How did you do it? She said role play. No the scripts provided by on their site search local for sale by owner listings and free on zillow. And then call them. Yeah how `bout that followed orange. Did we tell them to stink? Lived to tell about it. Nice job so back to you. Didn't open the door and find the house. Full of killer. Hornets did the thing. I hate with my rant which I said I'm going to give you two things I like. There is a way to kill the beasts of struck back to kill your killer Hornets. How does that okay? What they've realized is they can't sting them and kill them because they can't make it through their armor the Hornets Armor. So what they've done is when the killer Hornet goes to their the bee's hive. Yeah the beasts surround. The Hornet actually got so close into and they boil him to death. Oh my they get the killer the B. L. But business crafty but this has been going on Japan for a long time. And so this isn't the B. is a figured out. We can't sting this damn thing to that. So we're going to do is we're going in. Cook it inside. Its own Shell to death. And that's how they kill insects hardcore man right seriously. We're wimps we had to deal with. Was the cane. Toads last night on the patio are going to read. This is from Nick Hughes. I'm not going to edit this nick so I know you're listening so everything that you basically road I'm GonNa read. Hey Tim Sunday few showings on a couple of my listings this morning. So as listening to the podcast on my way to and from as I as I headed home I almost tricked myself into thinking. A few showings on Sunday was enough to call the day. But then you start shit talking about doing the real work in real estate and I got super pumped pumped up to get home. Get on the phone. And that's exactly what I did. So my feedback and my feedback forward slash request is just lots more shit talking to get some of us taking. So let's get us into action helping people and making money also maybe an episode on prospecting buyers for listings. You already have direct deals. Pay Twice as much love. You love the show. The coaching program. Everyone involved stay awesome. Thank you in as from Nick Hughes in Iowa in neck and neck. I don't know if you knew this neck but Iowa. We have pretty much every X. P. realtor is part of Jillian zone group in Iowa Ball places. Yes enjoy restaurant a PC have a great PC. Call Joey so I'm GonNa talk about next question in his comment so nick. Here's the thing I've been helping a lot of people with this very issue because it a lot of ages most agents listening have never sold real estate market where the prices go a different way and I absolutely I know a lot about your Iowa market for the reasons I stated you gotta remember at the end of the day when a property isn't selling its price property wheeler won't sell predicated on one or all these things being out whack price conditioner location rate. So here's the script Mr Mr Seller so at House Wheeler won't sell because of price conditional location now. Mr Tried to get my mind working. Like listing agent again. You guys can see. The the neuropathy don't necessarily connect as well as they used to spurs using the script iced. You price change calls every Friday and so this is the script I'd always use. Oh funny I'm struggling to remember it so Mr Seller. Your House is in a great location. You know you've got a great backyard. Play privacy so overall Mr Seller. The location of your house is as good as it needs to be an based on the feedback. There's no real negative feedback about the location and this listeners. Assuming that that's the case and this this is what you say the seller but ultimately Mr. Selig location is what it is because it's not like we can pick up a move the house so the location is the location is so the next thing. Mr Seller is we have condition now. We had some people commenting on the old Oak Cabinets. And maybe some of the carpet. You'd be removed but for the most part unless you're going to a radical change like Mr Seller. Were you planning on remodeling the bathrooms or adding a bedroom? You're right okay. So the location is what it is now. The condition is not going to change in a radical way. Maybe do some of the upgrades. Maybe we do some the changes. We can talk about that in a second semester ultimately the only way we're going to actually be able to get your house sold in this market where there's a lot of uncertainty as to reposition the house on the market so that it correctly reflects the buyer's expectations and according to the National Association of Realtors. After two weeks or ten showings and by the way this is from the nineteen nineties but statistic is still true after two weeks ten shines. If you don't have a written verified offer on your property Mr Seller then we need to adjust the price down accordingly and then listeners which you do is you look to see what the last sold compass now. The last soul cop is more than ninety days ago. I-i Pre virus than it's probably not valid. So what I would suggest as you take the last soul comp and you deduct ten percent and that's going to give you a better a better reflection of of today's market now there's current houses for sale. That are less than the House that you have for sale. That are similar. Don't have to be the same but similar. Then you need to probably price at least five percent less just to get showings and then. There's a lot of other scripts ago along and techniques to go on with getting sellers to use their their prices. There's a great script. We learned thousand years ago at Howard. Brinton were the essence of the script. Is it Mr Seller? This gives you an indication listeners. How different the markets had been over time Mr Seller? At what point does what for example our point does your heart stop that was the actual script? At what point. Does your heart stop if I tell you to lower the price but say the house was listed for five hundred if we say lowering the price of three nine nine at that point does your heart stop or is it for twenty five or is it four fifty and you know. There's a lot of the scripts I mean I could. Now that my brain's rewired think about price reductions scripts. I could talk for the next five hours about. This is a little bit different. When you're going after a seller for a price reduction what you have to understand. Is You have to know their motivation. And you have to know what they owe and you have to know what the hell on everything if you don't know those two things if you don't know why they're selling and if if you don't know essentially what they oh you're going to have a heck a heck of a hard time getting price reductions now. Some of you are going to be in the next probably ninety to one hundred twenty days. You're going to be running into situations where the seller owes more than the house is worth. It's called upside down the go-to training for that has to do short sales. Which we teach you how to do a spurt in part of the Premier Coaching Program. Matter of fact we're the first national company back in those seven and eight to introduce a short sale program or designation is called the credit short sale designation. It's included with Premier coaching a Michelle. The clinic helps us. Put the program together and Michelle is arguably the nation's number one leading short sale agent but the short sale path is not necessarily the only alternative for helping on owner. That's upside down. Some cases depending on who they owe the money to they can do a short pay off. And that's where you basically let's say at this point you'll have some sellers that are less than twenty five grand underwater. Those sellers should not do a short sale. Those sellers should do short payoff. In that case they can call up the lender and they almost always can get the lender to give them an unsecured line of credit where they can basically be released from the burden of the debt and they could move on with their lives but they still have to pay the twenty five grand back over time. And I'm talking about maybe five years. Virtually no interest if no interest at all in the lenders are almost always agree that because they don't want to do a short sale either so there are a lot of alternatives. But when Jillian I talk about the things you need to know in this new market I just touched on a few things in the last three minutes so as far as Nick your question with regards to how to Dublin listings. Here's the real secret to it. There's two things number one you obviously want to have a listing price rate. Because you're going to get all the by our calls. There's that number two and everyone for sale signs for sale signs always will be one of the most powerful things in age due to market a home because think about it. Think of the insanity of a for sale sign. You're able to put a little billboard up for free and somebody's neighborhood you imagine. How much like coca-cola or you know he google or Amazon would pay too little billboards up in people's in front of People's houses. It's the power of the For Sale. Sign it can never be underestimated. It's an unbelievably good marketing tool on every single one of your for sale listings. Put a one eight hundred home. Hotline Dot Com signwriter and what that an essence will do the rider sits on top? The sign says for Free Twenty Four Hour Record Info in house call. Whatever you're assigned numbers so it's one hundred five five five one two one two and hit extension three four five or whatever. The extension is right. This is all customizable and what you're going to remember. The key on the sign was for free. Twenty four hour record information that's going to attract all the best buyer. The best buyers are the ones driving in the neighborhood. And they're going to see the writer. They're going to call about the house being for sale. Is they want to know the price. The first 'cause you always get her from the neighbors. And that's how you double win a lot of listings join. I sold real estate. We didn't using hundred home hotline dot com because it wasn't an existence but we used in a similar service and we Dublin listings all the time I can literally remember some of the biggest transactions and commissioned checks we ever got were from from calling people back off our own signs and calling him back urgently furiously fast lead follow up go to one eight hundred home hotline dot Com and sign up for that service. I think the first thirty day is free. And there's no added fees I forget the price. It might be like thirty five dollars a month or something but you can put those eight hundred home hotline. The hotline number is on all of your signs and that is going to get you a lot of By our calls. Obviously that's GonNa give you a lot of seller calls the script when you're calling somebody back off. Eight hundred hotline. This guy's got me going. I started thinking about scripts ring ring. Hello Hi this is Tim Harris with. Abc Realty as a courtesy when folks call eight hundred number. We'd like to quick callback. See if there any questions about the home they called about and and Mr Seller Mr Buyer. I know she called it but one-two-three on-street and first of all the reaction will be because you call them back urgently and right away is disbelief that it's recording right. And then you're GONNA call him right back and you're GONNA say yes. I was calling about the price on one-two-three Elm Street you never get the price on the recording. You guys leave the recordings for these listings and they teach do this first. Part of eight hundred hotline. So don't get stuck with what I'm telling you said they're gonNA I'm GONNA call back. They'RE GONNA call for looking for information in the house. They're gonNA hear recording. Hey this is Tim Harris. Thank you for calling out one two three ELM street. It's a freshly updated four bedroom three and a half Bath House Speaker Lot. It's got an in ground pool in the back and whatever whatever just a little brief descriptions and then you say in the current offering price on this house is in the mid five hundred. Don't say the price just say the price range in which it sets and then when they called there and hear the recording in soon as they dial the number. You're going to get texted and you're going to call them back anytime. Anyone calls eight hundred number or any toll free number you cannot use caller. Id everyone you're going to whoever's paying for the call is going to get access to the person who so soon as someone calls eight hundred eight hundred home hotline number you're GonNa call them right back and you're going to you know like I said. Hi this is Tim Harris with. Abc Royalty as a courtesy when people call eight hundred number. We like to call back. See if there any questions about the home they called about and then they're going to say well what's the current. What's the current price in that house or? Is it still for sale? Then you say well Mr Hughes let me check to make sure the house is still for sale but we look oh by the way which house the neighborhood were you thinking about selling right. You ask that question right at the right at the very very beginning as soon as you call them back. And here's what you'll hear on the other end of the line. I've literally done this. Probably tens of thousands of times when Julian. I sold real estate state. So you're going to call them right back. You're going to see what I just said you're going to say and you can ask that question right out of the gates and you're going to hear this a well. We lived three doors down. So then they're going to tell you that the house to sell and then you pivot your conversation talking about their listing and then we take you through a pre-qualification to determine their motivation. You might find out. They're just calling first of all. Nobody calls checking on the price of a house. Unless they're thinking about selling that Full Stop I know. A lot of markets like southern California people are real estate curious and I get that constantly. That's like voyeuristic activity in. May the more expensive markets but for the most part no one's GonNa take the time to call about a house listed for sale unless they're actually somewhere either in the front of the back of the mind thinking about selling so you have to address it as if every single byerly seller and so nick. That's what you do and you might find well. I don't have a house to sell. We're thinking moving the area. Then you go through our buyer prequalification script which we've you just literally ask the questions and you'll find out everything you need to find out and going back to if you determine if you find out they have a house to sell and they live in the same neighborhood you can pretty much surmise. They're not interested in moving the neighbor's house. There probably interested in finding out the price. And then you can follow the seller prequalification script. You guys see how this all works intellectually. That's how Julian I designed our entire system so everything is very tight. Everything is very much in your control because when it's in your control there's less things you're leaving to chance which means you can ultimately control the result. This is the way we built every single aspect of our coaching system. In why everyone's else is so complicated. Honestly guys I have no idea so it's going to check out when eight hundred hotline dot com. That's it just go away. Go to one eight hundred home hotline dot Com and sign up. Check it out Yeah there it is and full disclosure. Jillian I do own half that company but like I said it's only thirty five bucks a month so no there you go it if asked what would be the first things that Julian I would do it for you to get back into real estate. That would be one of the top. Five things is absolutely get one hundred home hotline dot com and then really just go back to the work doing proactively generation willing after all the sources coach to go after in our coaching system. So there you go. Hopefully I answered your question Nick and hopefully. I helped everyone else deleted as well. If you guys are premier coaching making make sure you attend the daily semiprivate Premier. Coaching call every single day. That's the called. The Julie Leaves Little Bit early from our podcast every day to go to their now answering questions doing personal coaching for those of you guys who need it. So that is a service of our premier coaching program. Jump on that. Make sure if you're already a paying member you're using that every day relisting and re replays one thing being able to have your specific questions answered. There's another so. Go ahead and get there asap in the meantime. If you guys need anything you can always reach out. 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Podcast: Why Do 80% Of All Agents Fail Within 24 Months? (Are You Making Any Of These Mistakes?) | Tim and Julie Harris

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Podcast: Why Do 80% Of All Agents Fail Within 24 Months? (Are You Making Any Of These Mistakes?) | Tim and Julie Harris

"Hey welcome were back at Sunday August thirtieth two thousand and twenty and I. Always like to give you guys a little. friendly consumer warning prior to listening to the Sunday podcast. That way we can say later we did warn you that's right. That's all we're doing now is a recovering are basis the disclaimer this is a small print for the Sunday show on the Sunday show we are not going to talk about the normal things we talk about Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday on the daily podcast. If you went obviously went drill down business stuff specifically pertaining to real estate than listen to those shows on Sunday is where Julie and I are doing our decompression where decompressing from the previous week. We're showing you guys things that we're looking forward to You know generally speaking Julianne are. Perhaps overly optimistic people, but we try to sort of tether ourselves to the Earth by looking for information that will shock us out of our confirmation bias and so on. This show Jillian I will sometimes debate and talk about different things but a lot of times we just talked like to talk about crazy stuff. Because it's fun. Yeah. Like we talked a couple of Sundays ago about how there's no big foot in Puerto Rico, and then a lot of guys were kind enough to share with us not just big book. Yeah. Chuka. Cobra. Picabo and then turns out the bigfoot here in Puerto Rico is. How do we say this much meaner and uglier than any? What's worse? It's seriously good You know I have a I. Have My application for my big foot calls actually have it on my phone. I could start doing bigfoot noise in the background during her podcast. But yeah. So the point is on Sunday we talk about whatever we want to talk about and I usually will have. Dose, Julie with with healthy bribes of arbitrary news that I found an just random stuff just sort of keep on her toes. But yeah. So that's what Sunday as. Ready 'cause I'm telling you. It's usually kind of bizarre things we talk about. Famer over. And he goes. So Julie I have a question for you and this is the one thing I did prepare my question I thought fair. But okay thought about three months ago. So. Just if you were to start with. Absolutely you know not thinking about what you're gonNA. Say and just say the first answer it comes to your mind I asked this question. Really. So. What are the first? What are the top three most prevalent thoughts in your mind right now what are the? What are the three things that you're working on a personal professional? That's a good question. Let's see. Top three things. I am actively trying to listen to. Whether, it's podcasts and or read things that are maybe a little bit out of the real estate wheelhouse just for variety listener she's she's working through answering questions. I'm trying to think what by this is out of priority this is just initial reaction. Yes I'm actively trying to make sure that I stay frosty on a multitude of different things. One of them being Spanish because of the kid K, another one of them, I really like a historical things with a little bit of a housing twist to it case. So like things about royal families and you know stuff that not everybody would be interested in but I I think it's interesting. Especially, our historic house homes in this country, I think everybody that's in real estate knows something about architecture. So that's just you know a random thing that I like to pursue. Second Thing obviously is fun stuff for. The upcoming twelve months not just you know tons of podcast and coaching calls, which is all good. But also you know doing and seeing different things that are on our articles list, and then of course, keeping the kid from going feral with the advent of Home School and all that encompasses the top three. My top three would be I'm really intrigued by this whole inflation versus deflation debate I think that's really fascinating. We talk about on our normal podcasts we might touch on it here but that's really incredible. Just to sort of try to you know place your bets on which side of the. Inflation deflation debate and when what I'm beginning to see happen or I believe in going to happen and this is what's really to be crazy is I think there's actually you know there can be. Two things can be true at the same time I think we're actually going to experience inflation and deflation the same time we can bounce back back and forth on his podcast that'd be the first one and on from a personal note, I, hope the gym opens up. Yes. Yes. I missed definitely going to the gym I Miss Oliver Jim Buddy instead of our walks, but in addition to I think. Definitely, six-mile sojourns. In the third thing I have to say this definitely top of my mind is are all the people I talked to and the past week, and then are scheduled to talk within the following week about ESPN. Those are I'd say matter of fact, I put everything in the reverse order. I was just making my list of all the people that have texted me asking about the royalty and the. The rate of people asking me has increased by almost it's huge it's huge. It is and I. Think I have a list right now of maybe twenty people that bowling up with and tomorrow and Tuesday, and the reason is obvious because he xp realty sort of. I. Guess I feel grateful for our involvement I. Really Do I feel very much. Ingratitude, not just because of the financial benefits but all success although great people come to know and some of the most important people in our lives right now, I have you thought about this most important most influential people in our lives. We've met in the past eighteen months to be realty but isn't that insane for us to say that because it's not like we've been Of good experiences, but it's interesting and it's great. I was just texting with one of our French. Me Xp this morning who's probably GonNa move here and we were talking about schools and stuff moved to Puerto Rico. Yeah. So that's exciting. That's cool. But Yeah, and there's you know there's twenty people that you're following up with. Those are just the ones that are more obvious in your email and your text in your voicemail should there's lots of our listeners that are thinking about it ruminating on. It you know doing the research. So yeah, I excited about it till I I wonder when I see like xp and all these other companies that are sort of emerging to be the new industrial leaders of the next you know however long generation two, three generations you know normally really great real estate ideas in particular concepts they last usually about thirty years then something replaces them mean remember starkly remax came before Keller Williams now espn obviously going to the king of them all but it's fascinating to. Be in the Cup be involved in the company. At, this time because of the fact that it's growing such a rapid clip and seeing all the incredible talent that it's attracting definitely the number, the not just the sheer numbers of people but the. Just, this past week, this is, for example, I had conversations Mac I tip my hand as to who with a former CEO of a major role state company who is going to join I had conversation with actually indirectly with one of the top ten people. Actually I'll. Larry said ten one of the top ten teams at Berkshire Hathaway. Okay. So who are moving over? I had another conversation ironically enough with someone WHO's another team in a different part of the country than the first one also with Berkshire Hathaway, one of the. Fifteen teams basically and I had a conversation with the list goes on and on and so what we're seeing is what I'm experiencing anyway a lot of teams and brokerages that are switching over because the economics makes sense and you actually wrote down. At kick ass term you should it to me. Right prior to the show today. Eight. Decision compression. Yeah. That's what's happening right now in the country, all these things that normally would have taken and I found that was the other thing I actually you have to say. Again this is an informal podcast and I know I'm just GonNa talk to Julie like I talked to Jillian. I'm not gonNA worry whether you guys are taking it the wrong way or not, but I have to say you and I really kicked ass about all the things we predicted what could happen. February can you believe it? Honestly, how are we? That smart I hope we can get smart again. I, think some of it. Yes. Thank. You. Passed him and Julie for doing your research and having it together and being you know give but we write about Savin. Wanted to be right about these. Some of them are you know did I. Know. Here's the thing I. Think. It's because we've become armchair economists and because we study this stuff. I said. Armchair I. Didn't say actual. I would say and we don't just read random headlines that you know were milk crate economist we said. Well who knows what I don't know really honestly just talking it's the combination probably of you and I being history nerds. Yeah being. Not. Afraid of change if you have to give some credit to the people that we talked to every week. Now we're very tuned in not just to our local market like most of our listeners because you guys have to be hyper focused on your local market. But because we list because we speak with hundreds of agents between ourselves, our coaching calls my premier coaching call talking with over hair certified coaches were I. think we have a pretty good beat on what's going on out there along those lines Jill you just reminded me of something kind of funny. We had early on back in early February made the second week someone who associated with it maybe a coaching clan whose husband works at the FDIC or works the SBA or something members at DC. And you you sent me this clip notes that this person said that was totally completely from informal meeting that happened and this informal meeting was basically and she was either she or he said, this is what was expected to come out and then you and I used are further research based on that particular gamut of content, and then you had another client who's either husband or wife don't remember what was working. In the Pentagon member had clients working the Pentagon. Okay. Head clients working in the Pentagon and then. They said that something financial intel confident well. told the realtor who told her coach so Yes. Yes. Yes but there are some things that had happened in the were happening in the Pentagon that basically it never happened before as far as. You. Know All. What was it? All was anticipated unrest in the. Kind of polishing off their plan of where they're going to stash governors and senators. You know hires up should the unrest actually hit? So that was a that was some insider information that they're actually talking about implementing. I don't remember the name of the plan, but we reported on it on the website and on the shelves pretty early on Yeah and then it was maybe it was in March I think that we actually started hearing and it was completely from the fringe news sources and then basically it was admitted to be true that the Pentagon situation that we told you about actually was meeting to implement something that was. Only implemented in times of war? And it was where they essentially legally comma top apparatus or I don't remember what they can essentially allow US troops to be active on domestic soil, which is actually illegal and they and somehow I don't. Again I'm not my Latin sucks. Yeah and and they didn't was a beat fifty two's and stuff or flying over. You know all kinds of things in normal press didn't hear about it nor impressed it and talk about. Well, we took all these little smatterings of bits of information which happens from you know the fact that we have tens of thousands of people listen to us every day and the coaching business forever you know, and that's where we started to really formalize what our opinions were. We predicted exactly based. I mean obviously, we didn't pulled out of a crystal ball we just and we. told, you guys about all these sources before and so that's how we kind of knew it was going to happen and furthermore these same sources and other ones are now telling us what they're hearing are is going to happen over the rest of this year into next year and so when Julie are giving you guys predictions about inflation versus deflation, it's fascinating for me to hear all these real or economists not just Jillian who are are are actually giving really great arguments for both things happening and that then you sort of like gather your own local sort of. Help and for opinions, and then you come up with these. Really. Really, convoluted sort of amazing things and so last week we know actually it's about a month ago. Now United Start Predicting there was going to be somewhat of a renaissance that was going to happen in the economy on whole but certainly in real estate and we're starting in the renaissance being, can you just give them a quick? You, know. kind of a reawakening of new enthusiasm lots of creativity. You know definitely moving forward in a multitude of different areas at the same time that you know real estate is clearly the front runner the economy right now. Definitely well, exactly you're taking things that normally would have taken a generation to have happened acceptance of ideas. Really. That's really what the issue i. Think to decision compression. Yeah. It's happening more quickly and that that's you know I mean you could call that a revolution if you wanted to revolution of ideas and online technology I, think it's all wrapped up into. A renaissance of sorts. Yeah. For sure. But what it really is unlike the renaissance which lasted hundreds of years this is GonNa last obviously maybe five or less, but you're seeing this. Quick, acceptance like for example, they could have always online schools have been around forever shirt right and now but online schools were always seen a sort of like they didn't get the same love. They're like the best the best case scenario right nobody really took him Sir because the existing institution. If you want to call it that was doing everything possibly could to minimize the effect of online schools because it made the mob sleet. You know, and then what happened and then look at all these other industries do the exact same thing is happening where this revolution that normally would have taken I mean seriously as a generation, you never would've question loading up zoe every morning you know the crocodile take her to school you never that's just would have been your life for the next you know and her life, the next twenty or eighteen. Twelve years? Twelve years yeah. But now because of this, it's not going to have an even you know most people thought it was kind of strange request to do a presentation on video. Oh, my God wrong with the right, and now if you don't offer it, you're the freak. You know one of the things we're GONNA start talking about more on our podcast is how to do a really effective video listing presentation. Actually, we're going to give you the overview on the podcast and enjoy going to talk about more. But. That's one of the things. Everyone's GonNa have to be really good at because. Here's the thing even after and let's Oh my gosh did you hear that trump was suggested during the his RNC speech that he was basically saying there might be a vaccine for the coronavirus by the end of the year. You know talk about that would be an amazing thing again kickoff for a real party real renaissance know but seriously. Talk about partying on the street. We criticize. Oh these predictions, and how can you claim this and that but you know with the operation warp speed on so many different doctors and scientists working on it all over the world I think it'll happen and and they had the therapy and the whole thing. But Anyway, long story short is that we're in this area at this era of American history that Jalil research to try to find a parallel. and. We haven't been able to find anything there hasn't been anything. You could argue maybe World War Two truthfully World War. Two and certainly after World War. Two that would probably be another era where he had just a massive amount of change especially in the United, states economy industrialism and the rest of it. But right now we're definitely going to experience something that's going to feel very much like a boom we. Already are. So how does that affect housing obviously is where are dominant thoughts go in and I always start well, the most practical tactical way has an affect. Our individual practitioners are our clients and the thing that always draws me back is trying to clear their head of misinformation. I wrote a question down the other day and I started working on the can get very far with it. I told you this question. Tell me. We were your. Brainstorming with myself and I said. So why does real estate have an eighty five percent rate basically within what eighteen months? Yeah it, and here's here are the questions right and these are obviously designed to be someone antagonistic and what would be the other word less than antagonistic can you think? Yeah. Introspective introspective right. So do does real estate have an eighty five percent failure rate because agents don't do enough branding? Does it real estate having eighty five percent failure rate because ages dope enough leads does real estate at eighty five percent failure rate with eighteen months because agents don't form teams just real estate of eighty five percent failure rate because agents don't know how to do social networking and make videos this. Real estate of eighty five percent failure rate. You guys can go down all the list of all the things that people once they get into real estate or told that are important they should be thinking about and then you gotta go back if those things were really valid why eighty percent of all agents once they get their licenses within eighteen months failing why is that true? Is it possibly because none of those things really matter have you guys ever considered that? So I had this interesting text exchange going back and forth Read it I could find it. I, know what you're talking about so You should is really interesting. I think. Do I think you got. Phone so you got gotta well. So the ramp up to that while you're looking. Yes. Okay. Well so what Tim I think, what you're looking has to do with somebody trying to market to assault. Okay well at any rate when you guys hear this I want you to. Think about when people are pitching you and you know pageant also yourself trying to pitch because this person did not know who they were talking to which I think made it that much more interesting. Hard. Well. That was that was the gist of it though while the exchange was hilarious and I I have to say for the other side because you know I, know our side of things I was impressed. This individual did not give up. So that was Kudos to them. He sent me a spam text long story short and he obviously had scraped or information from some God knows what source thinking we are real estate agent or I was a real estate agent that was looking to do the dumb things that normal real estate agents do when they get licenses or when they're thinking about their businesses. So this exchange hopefully, I, can find it. I will this exchange basically what it did was as him and I going back and forth. And he was essentially trying to sell me into why I need all the things I know I didn't need and listening to what he was how he was saying or what he was saying out to do more depth search. Okay. Well, so I think what he was asking about was giving more exposure he was from coming from like if you're a realtor right I, think I found it versus the coaching business i. think that was correct and because you asked him question. Okay, I found. About. All right. So the to this guy's point though honestly I, it's more of a compliment than an insult. He was trying to ease trying to sell snake oil for sure. But the reality of it is is the manner in which he was trying to sell this I thought was actually very effective. That he wasn't trying to lie to me, he was not like when I asked him a question trying to quarter into lying he didn't actually try to take the bait. So I appreciate that. So I'm GonNa read this team not gonNA mention his name. Hi, Julie, are you ray this is the enter rates a cold text. Hi, Julie Are you ready for Social Media Assistant. We are running thirty percent off a campaign for a new service that produces daily content being seen on social media is crucial for your. For your expansion only one, eight XP agent while you go that's how it got the information in Texas is eligible and like every city I'm use this name well, whatever and so here's my question back. Why is it crucial? Why exactly I asked because even in this is his response even the least Tech Savvy folks are still going to Google business to find out more information, and if your name is showing up the search and you're not telling your story on social that client is going to go elsewhere. Somebody I'M GONNA. Love Walk here before I get back to my response, the probability of you guys or ever forming a website or having anything that is searchable for keywords beyond maybe your name at this point in the game is absolute zero. So don't let anyone sell you into believing that you're ever going to be found on search. Tell them why Because that that horse but trains long enough the station. So if you try to you know guys long tail short tail, all these different SEO terms you don't worry about because all the I'm sorry, all the and the zillow's and the trillions and the dominant broker sites and everybody else has so dominated the organic search results that the probability of ever being able to work your way through Seo into normal searches about zero. So the only way that you can really do by spending money so I want you to think about that concept of spending money just. So you show up and pay per click to what end and so as I go through the rest of this, I just want you guys to realize that if someone's trying to sell you on the idea that social networking, any of the rest of this is going to get you some dominant position with the key words that matter to you. It's just not true. Now, it might like I said if someone did a search on your name then yes. If you had know facebook business page or whatever, that might show up some place on the first page assuming. You have a somewhat unique name but if you don't have a somewhat unique name, you might not even show up on the first page and the reason again is because there's so many old links like July Nice Tim Harris Dot Com. We bought that website. Oh. Crap I. don't even know nineteen nine right when they started selling your nine ninety seven. Right when they start selling your else I think it was ninety seven they We heard about you know you are ells we didn't even understand what we were buying, but we knew we probably should buyer name. Okay. So we bought her name. So we have an each at your else so when it comes to Real Estate Coaching. Gambits of learning all this seo stuff which had studied ages ago. But now I realize come what is basically become dubious because again, it's very difficult to Cert- get placement for any good search terms because so many people have such old links in have built so much content around it. So you pop on the real estate radar and you say, you want to try to create links around newhall new, Albany, Ohio homes for sale or whatever you just you're never going to do it will take you years and years and years and have one. Show up on the first page of Google Search. And Google is pretty much the king of all search and so the only option that would leave us basically paying for traffic, which again is a black hole, which I'm going to get to read you guys the rest of this text exchange, right? So I'm going to take a step back tech savvy of folks are still going to go a new business to find out more information, and if your name is showing up on the search and you're not telling a story on social that client is going to go elsewhere where so you also actually played showed me that. He thought you were a new agent so that's he said new business. So that must mean he was soliciting agent a list that he figured where new agents. All right. So, this is me responding? Can you provide me with something validating that sellers will search for an agent using social in other words every their dog or on social seems like seems like a big who cares at this point that's for me right his response. Are you currently not using facebook business page? I said no how many leads per year? This is. My question to him, how many leads per year does the average age website or business page generate an researching now any idea and then he goes his response leads from social media very a my response. I just read an article on news and you guys can find this to the average agent website generates a total of wait for it wait for it. Zero leads per year. So the average agent website, would you guys are probably you know especially if you're new or even seasoned agent, you're leaving that you should have is going to generate you absolutely no business and so this is his response can content marketing is a slow process but also the least expensive. So content marketing is blogging content marketing is creating videos. Content marketing is all the time wasting garbage we. Tell you guys to avoid for the most part and so he says in again, this is the reason i. think he was pretty much ethical. He said content marketing slow process that is also the least expensive. It's a slow process as in it will. You'll never do it slow process. Really. So measure measured in half lives. Okay and this is my response member I'm supposed to be Julie Craze. What's the point? Then, he goes paid advertising can generate leads immediately, and this is my response. That's that's why I didn't understand content content marketing. Why bother cut his response content marketing allows you to tell your story. You guys like this next part tell your story so people can feel like they know you before they work with you lead generation through facebook ads works. Much, much faster. We've generate sixty two leads in seven days for a client before my response what Di lead half is just a name in basic basic contact and who really cares about my story I'm not that interesting when I had to find a dentist last month I did make the story up when I had to find a desk last month that. I could care less about his story. It wasn't last month. It was like three months ago. Right? That's very true. Yeah. I know I didn't care. All I cared about was if he and it was actually she if he could solve my problem, solve my issue broken tooth, his response differs between say buying list of expires and running a facebook ad is that the lead from the ad decide to give you their information then he responds out so I'm glad you got that taking care of my response. Yes. But the expired has a house to sell lead I. Lead is just a lead agreed, but the lead gave you their information via your ad versus the public having. Having the content info for the contact Info. The expired my response and expired is a real seller, not a lead. So the lead from Socialists all mine didn't share their info with anyone else question mark that can't be right. Who knows right elitists worthless by it's by itself. To your point about expired. That's clearly someone who has a house a cell. Why not just go after them. His response, it depends on who else is running ads at the time but you know but you know how you see this is were, but you would know what you're listening has generated interest in that person I I guess what he's saying is basically he's going back to social ads. Here's my response. I don't have a listing again and and who cares if generates interest I price house correctly, it stick it in mls and it sells are you saying social and social? This is meet my type. Are you saying social and having my listing on many different sites increases the value to the seller I e more exposure means higher price and here's his response and by the way guys, I'll tell you the truth about that. They're having you're having your listing on multiple websites in. has absolutely no bearing whatsoever. On any aspect of the cell ability, the price achieved or the days the market on the house. So there's many many studies on. Yeah. Of course, it does. Right exactly. Yeah. So that's another big lie. Basically, the people say, try to get agents to buy a bunch of crap and Viseu zillow pushed out onto the public trying to get them. The sellers on Zillow. Pressure, their ages, Zola pages, but it was never true more exposure does not increase the price of a product. It just doesn't it just basically you're going and showing it especially if it doesn't sell your essentially telling more people more different websites that you have an overpriced. Exactly I. so here's here's. Here's this response more exposure would mean the homes get seen by more folks though it help you sell it faster. Then we'd be able to further market that experience to help you generate more or less six. All right. So again, more exposure does not help a listing generate for a cell faster. That's just not true. My response, can you prove that more exposure course Manassas, right? Can you prove that more exposure increases? The price shortens the days in the market his response. Again, this guy doesn't try to lie again this credit. This home was on the market. He sent me a link to house that basically did some social networking marketing I. Don't know witchcraft for a said except me a link at some point, the builder's responsibility to facilitate the sale not the marketers not really. Yeah. Okay. To my question please my response hit Meyer spots and his response we ran ad for a client for new listing and it was under contract in two days that blog post details the process then I said everything sells itself from this market price it right and stick it in the Moss and they says sounds good sounds like he was getting frustrated with me and I Said you're added nothing to do with that house selling, and then he goes I'll try to get back to you in a few months and then I actually pivoted the conversation because I was interested in talk to him about maybe working for Jillian I because he was very diligent in he given the opportunity he did not actually try to lie to me which I appreciate in a sales person but the reason I read that to you guys because that is essentially the message that series of things that he was saying in further I'm not gonna read you guys the rest of the exchange, but he doesn't have a real estate license He has this business that he was trying to generate. You know essentially clients for was his own business and I this guy, right? He's diligent is plural but he was selling snake oil and he didn't really know it. How would he know it? I'm guessing from the nature of this exchange he probably has only been paying attention to making a living for maybe you know since two thousand seven while this paid marketing social networking buying leads marquis basically as as as come about, and so he doesn't know an alternative path to creating business You know. So that's the thing when I was reading that exchange when I was going back and forth with them for a few days it was fascinating to me that. He was absolutely. A praying at the altar of Malarkey That's true. Didn't know you had perhaps didn't know it. But that goes back to the whole generation of people that don't know it. Yeah. I mean how would you necessarily if you hadn't been through? The historical actually seeing like the whole thing you're talking about before you know paying somebody to try and get your website to come up anywhere even remotely close to the big guys the roller dot com regular but you know you and I see that because you know you used to be able to be seen that way before all that happened you know, and then gradually they took over and took over and now it's just. A completely losing battle but if you hadn't had that historical foresight than you, it's it gets back to you don't know what you don't know and it's through no fault of your own and some of these guys are pretty good sales people. Yeah. Exactly. And so a lot of the way their pitches is geared. If you notice where he was saying you guys get these emails all the time to is that they geared towards apathy. Gear their message to do not having to do anything other than give them money in. They're going to do the rest for you, and that's the great lie but I can see why it's appealing because essentially as the idea that you can you take a blue pill and lose ten pounds the same thing. But it is so far from the truth about what it truly takes to be successful in business in life in general in business specifically by in life in general anytime you look for the shortcut you're always gonNA fall flat you're always going to experience. Undue hardship, and. Unnecessary. Frustration because you haven't learned to basically master the real art and science of being successful term in life I mean that sounds condescending when apologize for it but let's say in life as it pertains to making money. Maybe other aspects of your life you're is right as rain, but with regards to believing that social networking and whatnot is going to generate you real constant streams of predictable businesses just the lie it just is issue that I see with coach and clients on us because all this online stuff is significantly out of the average sales persons wheelhouse. They don't know how to hold anybody like that. What would you ever ask because I can tell you what their answers always going to be. He said if it's more time, that's what he said. He said given enough time content media basically will whatever whatever. Objection Handler exactly you. Would you know the difference all you can't stop doing the well in our areas postcard right so you can't stop during the postcards you just stopped too soon. What are you talking about I've been doing it for five years I've spent fifty grand on this. Oh, no I'm telling you. It's about another six months it's going to break through and then they tell you some story I know my name Bob and Peoria Illinois he got a listing after direct mailing postcards for forty seven years. They didn't mention that was his mom right. But so these guys are just marketers that are trying to sell you marketing marketing just different flavor. That's exactly right in the social media and all this stuff is all the stuff is designed to shield you from the harsh truth that unfortunately. Life long term levels of any sort of meaningful success comes for long periods of doing what you don't want to do when you don't want to do it at the highest level so that that goes back to the question that I was starting to work on is do as almost an eighty five percent failure rate in real estate after eight with an eighteen months or less because of why because agents? Give up too soon I don't think that's the reason honestly I don't think that's the truth I think it's basically because it's not necessarily all the other things you guys are being told to. You didn't come into the business with enough savings or didn't come up in the business without might to buy leads and all this stuff you just weren't told the correct way to go about building sustainable business. That's it. You know it's like it's kind of like these survivor game shows or what do they call reality TV shows. And you know if we drop you in the middle of an looking out as I am talking to guys looking at a small, which could only be described as a jungle and I'm looking at this jungle and I'm thinking to myself if I had to be plopped into. A Patch of jungle that is say ten times the size of this and I wasn't told how to get out. And I was given a machete and hopefully some bug spray. Oh God I hope they give you bug spray right and then I had maybe thirty days survive would I be able to survive and the answer is probably I actually know what's edible what's not edible I know just different survival things but that's not what happens with most people I'm probably kidding myself I, probably would be eaten by a on the first night I mean that's probably the reality of it, and that's exactly what happens with you guys in real estate you plopped into real estate and maybe some of you are lucky enough that you land with. Some basic information. But then beyond that, you have no shot of surviving and all you gotTa do is look at the statistical fact that five percent of all agents fail within eighteen months or less and the other thing the other statistics basically all lay into that same consistent fact pattern with regards to Ino. Even if you stay in the business after that and you look at the failure rate, it's not until I needed spend the business for like five years have shot and making a career of it and it's kind of shocking. When you look at the numbers and so you have to ask yourself well, what's the difference between the agent that say for example, you know, how did you lean I sell? This is a real historical fact you know that sounds onerous, but it's true. We sold over one hundred houses our first year in the business when your early twenties, the only real previous sales experience we had were well nothing really we're just basically ran out of college and how did we do it exactly the way we tell our coaching clients to do it exciting. Without social media and a bunch of other stuff which they have to support their business, which we didn't even have back. Then you know I think it's actually if you cut through all of the Malarkey or my dad would say the we okay through the WHO Always learning that one. Good. So she can use it on uncle mark when she visits but it's right. Anyway. When you cut through all of that, you know it comes down to the same basic skills but enhanced by a lot of great stuff. The confusion is that you guys think that the stuff online is the lead generation when it's not, it's in support of the hard. Work She's talking about the social networking and so like we as social networking in our business but not to generate leads into what saying we use it to reinforce our podcast years a tree, enforce our coaching clients. That's that it's easy to be confused by that right? Exactly. Especially, if you came up in the past twenty years or so it'd be easy. To be confused by that, and the other thing is, once you learn how to do the real work of real estate. For example, like we teach our coaching program, you probably will never choose to do the gimmicky. Social Networking Stuff, we've got coaching clients to do nothing that our top producer selling one, hundred, two, hundred, three, hundred homes per year and. You guys have heard him on this podcast before who do virtually no social networking because they know that's not where the business comes from, and yet how many of you guys right now are sifting through your emails looking for some sort of latest gimmick that's going to somehow reign sixty three leads on you within a day right I mean you believe that You, actually are it why? Why do you do it? I know fundamentally, we've talked about it because it's a hell of a lot easier to swallow the pill that goes down smoothly than the one that actually might require a little bit of effort. You might require an extra concentration white require you to have a slightly upset stomach along the way because the truth is what we're going to ask you do the real work of real estate, but it's going to have a long term sustainable effect on your you know your future in every meaningful way whereas these other things are just gimmicks and they're all they're doing. All they're doing is you're appealing to your. Frankly. Your ignorance and you're you're wanting to avoid anything remotely resembles rejection and they're also trying to appeal to your laziness and a lot of ways and laziness being that if you guys know intuitively that those things are gimmicks and you still do them and you know from listening to our podcast that there's other ways that you can go directly after the business. And Julia let's talk about with today tomorrow and the following day their magical days right and so we're going to talk to you guys about something that all of you longtime listeners you know you've heard us say every single month and how many of you do it so we're going to do a slight pivot here, and so the guy who actually sent me that email. That text by the way. I don't. I'm not angry at him. Like I'm not in any way Anything other than hopeful because if you have people like that, that are ambitious like that they're going to probably do great things in their lives when they essentially figure out what actually is selling snake oil versus selling a things are actually be of service to other people. So yeah, you know there it is. All right. So let's talk about this day today tomorrow and the. Following day are expired Palooza our favorite time of the year, which happens twelve times of the year when the month changes rolls over. Why because. So many of you guys make your listings expire at the beginning of the month or the end of the month but that's great for those of you who will actually pursue expires and here's the thing that I wanted to spill. Some of their objections, right. So first of all, if I may be direct about this me if I may be, you're asking my permission. Okay. For for their sake is you know no five billion realtors are not all calling expires that is not true. Okay. Just flat out. Don't ask me to prove it. That is not true. You just inspired me what we need to. Write. This down. The ten greatest lies in real estate I'm writing. That's a great podcast topic. Okay. Next stop complaining about how many phone numbers you can't get. Okay. Because there is no do not knock list and there's a great company by the way called four warn F. O. R. E. W. A. R.. N. which is super cheap. It's like ten or twenty bucks a month. Not only do they get great phone numbers but they also do background checks. So you're not. You know you're not calling crazy people. Well, all crazy people to who cares motivated also. Top. Ten, when marrying done, top top ten greatest lies agents. These are some of them. Yes. told to agents. Okay. The next one is. Nothing expires in my market. Everything's hot everything selling right away not true y because some of you fall prey to aspirational pricing whether that came from you. The seller doesn't matter. You can still have overpriced even in a hot sellers market. If that weren't true, you'd never have appraisal problems. Go back a year. Here's a quick homework assignment for you go back a year in look. To see how many listings of expired in your market in the past twelve months, and here's a little game that some of you guys are GonNa play you're GonNa make your your market like a two block radius around your house. No I want you to do it for your entire mls but Tim Myemma is huge good. We're just trying to make a point K don't overanalyze so. Go into a search for your entire MLS and find out how many expires been in the last twelve months. You can even do it last eighteen months, and then if you know how to and our posselt, but I'll tell you the result if you want to do the work if you know how to go and find out how many of those properties were relisted and then sold. So. Here's a statistic something like ninety percent get relisted sold within six months. A vast majority of them released within the first thirty days most listings expire because they're overpriced that necessitating just one price adjustment bats it that statistically everything I just said is true. So here's here's the fallacy in this whole. You know do you have another I didn't mean to talk last point well. Thank you. You basically made it. Yes. They will relist in those of our coaching clients who watch expired they also same thing I can't believe the twelfth that I was tracking nine of them have already relisted if I just called them tracking them for I don't right just freaking call them for the love of God Getting Ready to get started I know well that those are my top ones. The complaining about phone numbers is big because you can get numbers. There's also no do not knock list. There's no do not send pre-listing package list you know and you can find phone numbers. It just takes a tiny bit more effort than you think and they complain well, I, bought phone numbers and have the phone numbers are wrong. Right. To that point because this is on my list. Let's say. That, you have terrible phone numbers and not that many expired. So you're kind of like half right about your complaints about expired, right? Okay. If your average net commission to you is seventy, five, hundred bucks. Okay and you only convert a lousy one per month which I mean honest to God who can't do that right right. One per month. Let's say you call ten and you're not that great at your scripts and you're only okay at lead follow up but you get one a month ninety grand. Okay. So here's what I tell the coaching. Amazing. Actually, you think about that breaking ninety grand. Way just hover there just the separate because you just made an absolutely bachelor crazy insane point. Thank you. We can stop now we can stop the show just Pete's the show is thank you for listening to us today. We have some fun stuff talked about here in a second but no, that's a really frigging valid point because we're just talking about all the insanity that all the realtors are wasting their time on all this other crap. Yes. Whereas in the average agent in the country makes what fifty grand a year so that the average agents as we've said a too often on the today show or out of the business with an eighteen months. Or less eighty, five percent and the fifteen percent remain. Most of them were eking out you know an average income fifty grand than you might taxes in their making you make more money working at home depot true eight then why? Because they're doing all the dumb crap they're not doing the real work really only making that but they're spending a ton of that on buying leads they can they have to work on their logo? This right hold on Julie, they're not gonNA, call us and. They'RE NOT GONNA call us unless we worked on our brand and they can go online and they can they they know what our story is we. Let seriously I now. But it's not crazy. Okay. For one deal. One way one especially in today's market probably GONNA sell no buying buying leads nothing ninety grade. Okay. So here's the thing thinking about it this way why did they are not one but two teachers toiling away teaching your children for six to eight hours of frigging day online painfully for half that money okay there. Are People whose fulltime jobs don't even pay them half of that and you guys won't get off your butts and find a phone number to come on. Okay. So here's The thing I tell the coaching clients now that you have these facts because these are all facts we're talking about. Well, they can get the phone numbers, their services, the sell the happens. Forewarn is a great one Premier Premiere Coaching members we actually go through probably ten of these companies we're going through all of them. Now, we're trying to basically how closer business relationships with the ones that are. You know the best. So Anyway, Premier Coaching members you can find that information on Harris lowering go ahead not a problem you get easily in premier coaching but Julie, just the point you just made really is crazy. So why why aren't more people in our possession coaches, trainers, influencers hell are modern Termez why is it that more people weren't saying that I tell you there's only one reason. Because they've never done it themselves, that's right there. It's hard to believe in something if you've never done it but they are they're bullshit lately and it's all say you gotTa try this try that you know and throw caution to the wind and then blame somebody other than yourself. Company that sold you that crap. Okay maybe you need to switch companies or whatever. So here's the thing knowing these facts and not doing anything about it. You're literally turning your back on a minimum of ninety grand a year right and then they responsible the might sowa whereas if the are successful generating mostly buyer leads and those mostly buyer leads basically you guys know you're going down the wrong path when somebody is trying to sell you something based on the number of leads because I'm going to say this, you guys gotta get this really clear in your head otherwise you're always gonNA, easily manipulated leads have no value elite is just guys many of you don't know what a white pages is. There used to be in the olden days this book that you would have in your house that had a whole bunch of names, addresses and phone numbers and an actual paper right and now it's all online white pages, dot com, but it used to be this massive book rate, and so hypothetically, those were all leads weren't they I mean I contact info. That's right. You have. Phone. Numbers of. Names. Why is that? Not Why is that type that lead and not phone book is the same value as what you guys spend money on generating hold on Tim that's not fair. You're they're filling out a form and there are down applying themselves as a potential buyer seller. We'll guess white guys. Here's a part of the great lie about all this everybody is a potential buyer seller. It depends how the lead question. was framed right it's like all these polls for the president people you know pulling has proven to be an absolute black art at best and people sorta take joy and lying to the pollsters, and then you don't really know how they're gonNa vote until they voted remember the last presidential election probably GonNa have something like that happened again. So online lead generation guys these are just statistical facts is is the most. The least effective, most costly way to generate business in most Qasim forms in the form of your time in most Cossio in the form of the cost of does free to generate that lead. But you guys got to remember you never to Julie's point actually take the time to understand what it is. You're paying people to do for you. So you just succumb to whatever Malarkey that they're selling you and you keep on giving them your credit card number hoping that okay. Guess what there's five leads. Oh my gosh it worked generated by bleeds. I spent fifty bucks. That's ten dollars a lead or at sixty two cents a liter. Cents a liter, right? Wow you're great. Oh my God do you realize that mostly generation who cares? It doesn't matter and worse when they call them impressions? Yes I think that was like for for me. That was like a very clear when it got to that. Where they'd say well, yeah. But we gave you two hundred impressions right? What does that I? Mean you get impressions just looking at pictures on facebook at. The biggest. The biggest bs all of this it's all just a bunch of hooey. To Your Dad's. Right you know it makes me sad that. Nobody really educates in the right questions to ask and that it's so easy to fall into those traps you and I are the only counterbalance you might WanNa put that question you and I are the only bounce to that narrative that's going on right now about all that right have done it and we get a lot of criticism for it to. ME. Well Most of the truth late yet but there are some people that were rather aggressive that we're trying to defend their position. There was a a give you a quick example on. So e XP realty uses a private work group facebook page and are some people that were obviously trolling for. Basically you know by the kind of crap that the you know the guy was trying to sell me through SMS and I had a very similar conversation with a couple of these guys where I was just asking really basic questions. If the goal is to generate a really, you know very qualified leads someone who actually has a real estate transaction that they must complete and you know all the contact information is available. You know they have to sell you know they're willing to pay commission. You know all these things why would I bother doing all this other crap and they couldn't come up and the answer in the reason that they couldn't is because they've never actually learn how to do it. That's exactly what Julie said. So the reason all these people are gravitating towards social networking stuff because they've only been in business, you know, maybe it's a real estate license mostly selling stuff to real estate agents since two thousand seven or realistically within the last twenty, four, thirty, six months there as a whole gamut of Internet marketers who are in the business of teaching people how to be Internet marketers. The big. That's a big theme in Internet marketing is telling people how to basically an Internet marketer and then the agents you know basically fall into that because agents are opportunity seekers, and now they're trying to sell that same information now the agency. Perpetuation of really bad or essentially half-baked information that goes on forever that results guess what eighty five percent of all realtors failing with an eighteen months or less, right? Yes. You guys get it. We can't. You can't argue with numbers and facts and statistics. So expired Palooza. For the love of God people. Away to beg them to make an income please. Yes. Even those of you who are already, let's say that you're already trucking along at a really nice average commission. This is your best year ever a lot people are having they are that's fantastic. That's even more reason to call right now, some of our most experienced ages so awesome when they call, I, always tell him you know if you're gonNa cherry-pick call in the neighborhoods that you've just had a sold sign, this just makes sense and you know when we used to do this, they'd be like. Is it. Really you calling I see sign all the time. It's so much easier for the ones that are experienced, who are the ones who are a little bit more resistant than so? Expires your for sale owners or just either one when you hunt them down in neighborhoods that you've already, let's say that you've got a somebody like Colette MacDonald in Brookhaven rate. Everybody lives in Brookhaven. It has seen a McDonald's she calls unexpired it's like a celebrity. Okay and these are the same agents that will fight you more on it especially because they don't quote, need the money. But in all reality us our scripts and you follow our system, you could be brand new agent I have to say I hear it all the time premier I know you know doesn't the best ones right I love how they set the bar for stuff like this well, we're attracting a lot of millennials. That are joining. Joining Premier coaching and I that's the group. I have to say that trend really picked up for us in the past twelve months people in their twenties and Thirties joining our coaching program i. think that's exciting is how awesome for them? Because they know they're coming to US having grown up in the social media world and are not at the the most wise to what it really is, and what isn't, and so they're saying they're smart enough. To say, I want to know how to actually make money in real estate 'cause I realize. Through the woods on the other they know it's a gimmick and they grow up with it for the rest of you guys who are older novel it's still interesting and so for these kids, they're all social media experts because that's how they grew up and they know it's a farce as far as basically like for an actual creation of business and. I I'm very encouraged by the number of younger people that are you know gravitating towards us because those guys are going to be the dominant force in real estate huger absolutely sending setting the bar really high like You know people like John Genaro in Louisiana. She has got the whole listing agent thing figured out she is a listing agent. She's got that and no, it's not all coming from Social Media Guy. So and she's a great leader. She's in her early mid thirties in and she's going to have such a killer in front of her because she's got disfigured out now back to expire who is a for second we touched on this on the Friday normal podcast because we knew we were coming into expired Palooza weekend, which is even better you know here's the thing. The pricing of the property is so much easier number one. Number two the agent who otherwise would have competed with WHO might be from their center of influence has already failed. Okay. So you don't have that in your way and they probably don't have a plan B with another agent in mind by the way, your biggest competitor when you're calling expires is going to be the previous listing agent and the only reason Mr. Seller listen I appreciate the fact that you're considering listing with your old age. But let me ask you real quick question and guys. You don't have to use this question. I always liked using it. What exactly is your old agent do differently this time that they had already tried the first six months to get your property sold and then say nothing say nothing. and. Then because they've already had that thought and all you're doing basically is putting another thought in their head that maybe they need to lease, look up their alternatives permission to break up with the agent disappointed them for being honest, right? They did they other agent essentially they do feel even if it was best friend, they do feel disappointed and other agent probably was not they got it from social I'm sorry for because their center of influence a past client because they're their friend not because they actually were the most qualified to get the listing they're just the most convenient to get the NSF probably not the most qualified to price it correctly to be competitive. Or to advise them on things like negative feedback. Maybe you know I see this a lot when they're buddies buddy listings you don't tell them. How smells like Cat p? You don't you don't WanNa talk about that with your friend right? You know but somebody else can come in. That's a interested third party. So you've got a better CNA situation on your pricing. You've got less competition not more as you guys claim. Number three is their way more coach -able they'll do things for you when it expires that they never would've done out of the gate. So some of the sellers ego is. are lessened because nobody ever thinks their house isn't going to sell, and now now they're kind of over. All right. Tell me what I need to deal. I'm going to do it. They're humble. Basically, they're the markets kind of shown them away. You know that a convenient versus qualified you had to write that down. That thoughts right convenient versus qualify because we really I mean we're going from who you know to what you know business but we're also going from make convenient versus qualified type of market too. So you guys have to obviously you know be qualified because even if you're convenient but you're not qualified, you won't get the listing being qualified. Do get the listing. A skills based approach really well. So expires guys it's happening right now do something with it in Julius point you only need one you know in this market, it will sell right we needless one per month with the average commission. If your average sale price was to fifty, you're GonNa make you know obviously not taking consideration broker expenses, but you're going to be making seventy five hundred bucks per transaction ninety, thousand dollars per year. Some of these guys have like an average net if like twelve or thirteen some. Very conservatively rated that out. So why don't you guys think in terms of? Well, what do I have to do to learn how to basically be agent they can earn the business of those expired listings. What would you have to stop doing to put your two free out your brain like that? You'd have to stop doing all the silly ass time-wasting garbage that you probably been doing thinking that someday somehow magically it's going to make you money guys I'm going to say it I know. It's annoying, but it's still true eighty five percent of all agents fail with eighteen months or less. It's because they don't do the right things in their business. They don't actually take the time to learn the skills necessary to earn the right to be a seller listing agent. That's that simple guys. Why don't you just cut out all the marquis and just focus like a laser being right in on how to become a listing agent? That's what we teach you in our coaching program. Even primarily gave a kind of a low bar exam all of if you only converted one and your average mission was only this. That's not what we coach coach them to be rockstars we them to I figure that out and then figure out how to scale that up how to really do that exponentially if that's what you want, maybe the one deal that gives you the ninety grand is enough and that's fine and that's where you want to level out. That's fantastic. But what if you did two or three a month you can only. Listing agent. That's exactly we've had I. Remember there was this great coach and client I don't I I know he's. His name Howard cozine 'cause I I can. This was for this was for maybe fifteen years ago it was like. Yeah well, you remember him because I was always jealous of his lifestyle. So this guy lived in Hawaii and he got he actually got into real estate in I think it was I don't remember it was either a crash in eighties or nineties when all the when the current basically it was entering into this marketplace where there's real dominant listing agents who are centers of influence a past client. Connected in the market chip prices dropped in those agents we've been warning you always the first ones to get wiped out the fastest centers of influence. The past client agents don't survive the shift to a buyer's market they just don't, and for all the normal reasons you'd expect mostly skills-based. So he then realized that he then stepped into this gap that was in the marketplace as he saw these lots of these. Expired listing starting to happen. He started you know do the old school of what we teach of picking up the phone calling earning right to be the listing agent and he then became out over a very long period of time most dominant listing agent. In this particular market, he then did enhance his marketing in addition to making phone calls with postcards I. Think he wouldn't be able to one postcard per month but. Here's the interesting thing that he figured out for himself and I really liked this actually is that he told he would hire me like every year this time of year actually every year hugh hire me like in January December and his whole goal was to take a certain number of listings by usually April or May. Right. So his goal may be to have twelve active listings or fifteen active listening somewhat saul. And along the way that that's fine his average commission was high enough with something like fifteen or eighteen thousand dollars and he figured out that if he just works as bud off for three or four months series earned enough money basically pay for his lifestyle through the rest of the year and he's right as rain I remember that because I had in my head I always thought of him as Howard in Hawaii. Guy. And you know only skilled listing agents can do that because you can't do that the you know roulette wheel of buyers and you can't do that. You know I think it's great when you get center of influence deals ideal because they're easier and they trust you but they're not predictable you can't tell me who in your database is GonNa list with you tomorrow you can't tell me what price that house is going to be and you can't tell me if it's going to be sellable I take that same thought to social networking leads and all that other stuff. Gets more insane. But when you have when you not only are willing to have worked on the skill of things like expired for Salva owner probate new construction things that take an effort you actually can create that lifestyle if you wanted to multiple markets to absolutely it's not you don't have to do the three months on nine months off whatever. But you can say you know what I'm GonNa, get to my magic number of listings and then I'll have to worry about is replacing one today I got. I've got to replace one not to go find ten to get to my magic number. That's what agents I don't realize to your point at the top of the call. Why do they? Why do eighty five percent of them fail because they don't understand how to get to the predictable spot right? How to get to listing inventory nobody tells them that you know it's Sunday we forgot to do. How is that? which by the way joy just touched on something? She said, it's how casual we all on Sunday. She said Real Estate. Magic. Number that's part of the real estate treasure map. We give you guys for free. If you WANNA, Learn More about our coaching program and get the real estate treasure map and all that we have seven free books actually all you've got to do is text the word survival two, three, one, nine, six, just text the word survival two, three, nine, six in doing. So you're also GONNA get Membership Free Membership to the Free Coaching Program that we started back in March as a reaction to the pandemic. So that coaching program has had thousands of agents joined from all over the country in different parts of the world to which I'm really thrilled to see where now podcasting and forty nine different countries, which is incredible. This continues to be the number one listened to daily podcast in the nation and man wouldn't be called make this number and listen to daily Real Estate Coaching podcast in the world that sounds like it. Yeah. Well but anyway so yeah. The the real freedom in real estate does not come from doing all the things that most you guys are doing. It comes from the power being a listing agent. Could you ultimately create leverage and tell one more quick story? So I had this coaching client this guy was a millennial. He worked at Douglas Almond Great Company in new. York and he was burned out on selling. He'd done a bunch of leases. He'd I taught him how to start prospecting generating proactively generating listing leads but he was you know being I think he was like looking down the barrel at turning thirty or something right rain any ad headed worked his butt off. He'd been very diligent not just a really good guy and then he said Tim I'm getting burned out on real estate. It's not that I don't love it. It's just that I'd be like the clock is ticking and I haven't done the other things. I. Wanted To do in my life and I haven't done by the age in which. I wanted to buy and I thought well, okay. That's cool. But we can't let them lose the momentum that he's built towards building a sustainable real estate career. The Lisa Guide been smart enough to focus on becoming a powerful listing agent. So I mean to deal with them same deal with Howard right he has to take a certain number of listings by a certain time frame and members. This guy was ambitious but is he lost his Mo jo so I don't remember the time constraints were I think it was something like one hundred and eighty days to compass certain financial goals, and after that he could check out for the of the year and he did it in like frigging three Matz. It up and he left early and he plays that. Well, it's because a he knew he could because you know he had he had worked on the skull. He was incredibly motivated. We've traveled the world what you wanted to do which he did right and ended up sending his pictures from over Russia's awesome. Yeah. But yeah, he mastered the skill he didn't wait to get around to. Get, started he stop procrastinating he think it's also because you defined it for him. If you do this, then you can have that right instead of well, you know maybe I'll get a new deal this week maybe I'll try this and maybe I'll try that you defined. Here's how you win. You just did that with the whole simplistic almost. So goofy what you said because it's so obvious. Take one stinking expired listing you guys are fulltime and real estate many people. Even if you're part time calculated all the time you claim that you're working and how long would it really take for you to master the art of being powerful just expired listing agent how long did that? Take You you? Most of you guys could become absolutely lethal at it in less than a month. You. Focused on it just make it something that you're great. Followed our system. Right we tell you who to call how to call wind to call what to say the scripts. The objection handlers prequalify, we give you done pre-listing pack. All you gotTa do is copy it for yourself. We give you a listing presentation. On Finger. You don't even have to be perfect at an. Okay. So that's the other objection I should've mentioned earlier right you don't have to drill a role play partner for you know seventeen million calls. You just have to pick up the phone and earn while you learn. Tell you a nice byproduct to being really good at this expired thing we talked about expired steak has expired Palooza. That's very nice byproduct to becoming great at that. Is that when you do that you can you also thank you for the bug spray. Came prepared this time. Yup, you also become really great at for sale by owners because the scripts are so similar well I. Personally, if given a choice, I always liked expired be the number one reason being is. The you know they're going to be willing to pay commission but the biggest biggest of the big reasons is because you know what the price is right I agree, and then the market has essentially tested humbled that seller to the extent that they're gonna be a lot more. Who they're going to hire be there listing agent and guys even as a even a brand new agent Jillian I touched on this. If you follow our system and you use the pre-listing pack and all the rest of it you're going to have I can't guarantee you any levels of success i. have no idea you know who knows but you're going to increase the likelihood of you getting that listing to buy a thousand percent more and those of you guys who've been in the business and frankly this is the group that. that. I think I feel frankly the most attached to not the new agents, new agents like these millennials that are finding there actually easy because they're do what they're told they're following system and we don't have to d program that those of you have been the business especially those in the last ten years you guys have got a lot of crap to sift and sort near minds before you start seeing the truth about what a blessing this industry is. If you're willing to do the real work of real estate now talk about something and I'll just popped in my mind what's that So I've been getting a lot of calls. And frankly a lot of conversations. I. Bet you last week. Let me expand it I. Bet you in the last two weeks at twenty conversations maybe even more with teams and brokers wall basically their contact me because they're worried about. Their business in essence. They always present like that, but it doesn't take me long to basically sort out most of them were like, call me up and they'll have these con you've had conversation they want to rattle on about all their words and how successful they are and and anytime they they always start out by saying how many units they sold or how big their team is right, and so they'll talk about teams in the organization and it's not for not right I mean that takes there is a level of accomplishment with that but then I sort of like, let them talk. And let him talk and then they'll come around and say why they're actually wanting to talk with me. I remember most of them are finding from the podcasts they kind of know what I'm going to tell them right? It's not like I'm just a cold call. So they know there's sort of walking into the lion's den and I. So I know what they're getting to is the fact that their business isn't profitable right but they don't want they want me to see them as being people that are achievers than they tried, but they want me to tell them. In this is what I'm telling. All of you you guys if your business isn't profitable, especially your broker, your team if you're fearful of losing money if your entire businesses predicated on buying leads and used are starting to internalize the idea that maybe you're not, you don't have what it takes to be successful because of the fact that you haven't able to decode this Rubik's cube, this forty seven side Rubik's cube and my God you you should be able to figure out how to do a by now and your team members keep quitting and. Why do you have profitable and unprofitable? Why is it all this? Yet everyone seems to relish in your success because you saw a bunch of units and you have this big team and yet in your heart of hearts your knowing that you're not moving personal financial needle at all guys. You are great. What you could be doing. You're not doing the right thing. There's a difference between quitting and you guys got to write this down and this is this is something Julian I learned a long time ago. We don't say it very often because it's It has to be received as intended. Otherwise, you guys get confused. So here it is. There's a difference between quitting in quitting while you're ahead and I think who said that? I'm pretty sure Baron von Rothschild said that backing like the seventeen hundreds of people quoted it says probably right attributed to whoever yes Yeah. So you don't give Julia credit for that because we didn't think that up when we do think things up, we will ask for credit. We deserve it. We don't come up very many brilliant ideas Mike Julie. So the the more the story is there's a district quitting and quitting while your head. So what does that mean? If you essentially have been doing something for a long period of time and it's not getting you the results and convince yourself, you have to keep doing it You know what you're making a mistake. You just need to quit because what's happening is that idea or that thing is taking up. And usually financial energy be going to something else. There's something else isn't buying leads doing something else for the sake of your business could just be going to taking your family to Disneyworld. So some of you guys get caught in these these ego traps where everyone's doing it. So you're think you're supposed to be doing it to even though you know it's not working. You're still going to do it because everyone's doing it. I'll give you a personal example Jillian I. Did that when we are selling real estate. In the ninety s with homes magazines, we we saw all the most successful agents in our marketplace. You guys might not remember this, but there used to be homeless magazines. These big. Day these things were like cycle. Some huge. Grocery store checkout. Agents would market their listings in these home magazines and even though the agents all knew that Chinese pictures and the fiery description was doing absolutely nothing to sell the house guys marketing does not sell real estate that is a lie. You price it right you put it in. Assuming a house that's good. Price Condition Location. It will sell right that's the beauty of the system that we all walk into. There's more inventory it'll sell. Yeah. That's right right. Exactly. Live in fear of you know it's a huge buyers market and there's five houses for everyone by our marketing is not going to get houses sold anymore marketing, get sold sold now and I know some of you guys believe marking sells real estate marketing does not sell real estate pricing it right assuming as good condition location it will sell itself out of the MLS and it's your job basically to facilitate the sale that is the bottom line. So you have essentially, we're on that tangent. Marketing, Oh, the homes magazines. All right. So we had homeless magazines a painful. Painful and we did make that mistake we did. Yeah and so we would go on listing appointments and we have become you know some of the top listing agents. In with re Max certainly in our molest. And we had this we need to start doing the top top agents are doing because obviously if. These big. Big Name agents are doing these big ads on these big home brochures and there are magazines they're take four and five and six pay. Well, it must be for the sake of generating business and must be because you know it's something that's GonNa Okay and we did it and it didn't generate business and we kept doing it didn't generate business and we. So we are smart enough to keep track of where our actual business came from. We did it on dry erase board that shouldn't surprise any of you guys and we were. Tracking this, and we probably took out those dumb homes and land ads for probably four or five years without having any real discernible business from it just because frankly we're too naive to know that we need to know that quitting quitting ahead and we would we would track all of our especially listing side business came from and it always I most of it always came from the exact core things that we teach. You are coaching program and never came from the flowery extra crap and then we actually had we started doing some direct mail same thing the business avast like we would get the occasional person that said, I, just got your postcard. Your soul card and that's the reason I'm calling you and then I. But we mailed out millions of those things when you're leaving marketing work. And when the messaging was great everything about him was professionally designed the whole thing and then you. You'd have a seller. Well, why are you calling to enjoy Harris for the interviewing for the job of selling your house? You know the brickwall script and they would say, well, I, just got the postcard but that was never a reason in the real reason was is because they sold my neighbor's house because someone referred them to the whole thing but the seller maybe just received the postcard was going to call us anyway and just said Postcard we didn't realize that. The real reason those people were calling us was almost always from the real core real work of real estate we were doing until we are listening to Kelly Whitfield was her name who is actually doing a pre call from a seller that called us. and. She's filling out the form you got to the that question, just read you guys and there was boxes to check, and then she checked a postcard and then she accidentally asked the question again, and then they started explaining how this other person referred them and the Jillian I thought. Well, how many times have we had Kelly asked that question? Are We've used it ourselves for qualifying sellers and we didn't ask the same question twice and believing their first answer was the real reason why they called us and then when we started doing that, then we quickly realize how foolish we had been in believing all the marketing stuff. The same stuff you guys are falling prey to now. That's right. So moral of the story is your best marketing is the sold sign that you put in that neighborhood it's. A even if you have no marketing budget and no experience, you all can do that over your on your first or your next expired for sale by owner listing you all can do that because that will lead to. The next thing you guys went buyer leads be listing agent, get one listing or for some of you one more listing maybe this month or for some of you this week, many of our elite coaching clients have homework of a listing. that. They go on and listing appointment a day that they set sail have to set one and go on one daily and we have it's absolutely possible to do that if that's what you need to do so. Back to my story technologies brokers and he's So one of the things I had them do because They're always always talking to me about profitability and they're talking a lot of them are coming just because they want to join our expertise xp they want to have Juliana sponsor them. They went actually worked directly with us in the real estate business, they work expanding their revenue charity expe-. So they text me directly and you guys can do the same at five, one, two, seven, five, eight, zero, two, six, five, one, two, seven, five, eight Oh, two Oh, six. So one of the things. That XP has many different ways that teams conjoined X. P. One of which is called the mega icon team and to be a mega icon team, you have to accomplish all three of these things. You have to have a team of ten people sell hundred, seventy, five units year and have the total volume, forty million dollars and you know because of Covid, it's maybe not last twelve months it might be eighteen. Months just because you know three months or to be forgotten this year right. So they're flexible somewhat but there's the basic standards. So all these brokers and teams that are coming to me and the first conversation I had with as trying to see if they'll qualify to be a mega icon team because if they are than the total amount that they're going to pay X. P. Complete, they're gonNA pay in commission splits. Per Year is about fifty, six thousand dollars, and then after the main team leader or the former broker who's now basically mega icon team, they're getting a essentially what amounts to their their cat back in the form of ESP stock oversimplifying it but that's the gist of it. So then the whole mega icon team only ends up paying an essence four thousand dollars per year per agent. So the agents on the team or who may have. been part of that brokerage their CAP is four grand. I know I just gave you guys a bunch of information. If you want more information text me directly by one two, seven, five, eight. Oh, to go six. But one of the things I discover when I'm talking with all these teams in these brokerages and I'm looking at the profit and loss statements because I have to help them, put it together. So then I can send it in. The experts that they can get approved to be a mega icon team is I always go through their numbers and I'm always shocked not shocked, but I'm always. Oh i. don't know what the word would be after doing this work for. So Long I. Don't know if the emotional responses but I don't know. It's weird I feel sorry for him I. Guess That's the core of it by look at their businesses and I see a lot of these guys and gals in these specialties brokerages in these big teams they've been at it for so long and I'm able to see what the Prophet. As they're making from the business I am able to see I can tell everything just by looking at their numbers like some of them have one or two agents that they call listing specialists or they'll call they have buyer specialists and then you go over and you can see that you know maybe this listing specialist maybe they're listing specialist team. They're listening they're doing on paper which looks like really great listing business, and then the buyer you all the top numbers and they all compressive two, hundred transactions, three hundred transactions, and they qualify for icon in no, they can move the XP and most of them we're gonNA, make way more money than they ever did. That's the reason a lot of them are motivated to come our direction now and be part very XP group because they're gonNa make so much more money in so many different ways but just for the sake of what I'm trying to explain, then I look at their marketing budget I looked. To see how much they're paying for each of the closings that they're experiencing, and that's one of the things I help people to do in our coaching programs. I want you to look at your business from it's a two sided coin right yet the cost of listing lead acquisition you have the cost of buyer lead acquisition in if you don't basically separate those things out, then what's going to happen is the more profitable say Your Business, which is generally you're listing side of the business. It's GONNA end up basically covering the negative cash flow from the buyer side of Your Business and you're just not even gonNA. Realize it and I've seen this with every single brokerage and team I I've spoken with most of them are making barely double digit, a net profits, and if the market were to turn against them for just thirty or sixty days, they're going to be out of business because they don't have the savings to support the cash flow the that's necessary to continue to buy the to buy the leads. I've had people that are spending tens of thousands of dollars per month buying leads, and yet they don't track it in the consistent element amongst all of them is none of those team leaders have been in the. Business for more than ten or twelve years, and so they've only known to buy leads and they've only known to train their teams to buy leads. They've only known to be beholden to buying leads. They've never learned how to generate the business themselves, and so the national conversation I asked them after I've shown them the fallacy of their business model and I don't do it in such a way to make them feel bad because I realized that most of them have already they, they know that the business model but they're following isn't profitable because they're not building any real wealth, but they're caught in an echo chamber. Doing the same thing. Saying the same thing and it's not till they come across frankly Julian that they realize what you know what I've always known that that was an asinine business model but not known any different than to do it and so Julie, and I, show them how to make a couple tweaks had to point out some obvious little fallacies in their business. But let's just go back to the point that Mrs Harris made not so long ago. If you I these are actual numbers I, want you guys to think about this? Let's say that your goal and your real estate business was to make. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. Let's I. can even make all even make it more realistic. Okay. Biz most the average Agent Orange fifty grand. Let's say let's say your goal is to earn a one hundred twenty to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. Okay. That's a good goal. Most people have a very nice life off ten thousand or so dollars per month. Okay. So we're going to focus on that for a second. Did you guys know that the average broker who has a total? Of A, say a million dollars is only going to earn about fifty thousand dollars net before tax profit on that million on essentially the million dollars in in commissions and the average team, and this is a well run team is only gonNA earn. So you have a team, you have a team leader team leader. You know they had a really good year they made a million dollars. They have all these buyer agents, they listing specialists and ads they have every marketing branding everyone thinks the great thing since sliced bread especially themselves joke and then they have a million dollars in commission. And? All, the while their actual net profit after all of that expense from running that business in buying those leads because none of the agents on their team and they aren't proactively lead generating happening happening to buy everything is maybe one hundred to one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year maybe a hundred and fifty right charging processing fees or something like that. This is what I see consistently. So let's think about that. So you're thinking to yourself well, okay I former team I, take the risk and I go through the House of the adult daycare. I do the whole thing and I'm making a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. You know you know maybe that's okay. You Convince Yourself. Well, that's a nice goal to have. But here, why would you bother doing the other thing and spending all the money and having all the liability? Why would you go and so you're trading your time that was working with buyers and sellers in your training that from working with to working with building your team member and worrying about making sure the bills are paid. You're you're not working less. You're just doing different things. You've delegated certain things, but you've assumed a lot of other responsibilities again that's the fallacy of the team model. That's the fallacy ever brokerage by the way but more. So the t model. So if you wanted to earn, here's the punchline. If you wanted to earn say one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, and you're willing to do it by being listing agent. You guys can do the math on that using Julie's math seventy, five, hundred dollars a transaction. If you just listed two houses a month right to expires per month you would earn using Julie's math seventy, five, hundred or You during one, hundred, eighty, thousand dollars a year. So all you did was to expires per month you'd earn one hundred and eighty thousand dollars year, which means that you would earn more money selling basically house and a half basically per month then net profit than the agent who's walking around like a peacock whoever thinks is the greatest thing since sliced bread With that big team, you actually have more net profit or the same net profit because you had no expenses against that income that you are making isn't that interesting? I would argue that they'd have more to tell you how tell me I think it would be virtually impossible if you were taking to mix and match expires viscose all expired whatever to listings. Per Month because the buyer leads, it would throw off your because of people buying your listening would have something to sell that. You'd have to work hard to sell less than two per month. You'd have to be a blockhead about your lead follow and you if you guys like, for example, we've had people that join our coaching program that did not want to work with buyers did not want to give up their nights and weekends. At you're still gonNA, make more exactly referred how many agents in your own office will basically pay you thirty five percent referral fee, which is insane for a byerly. So you then prequalify your buyer jr you pull out the byerly of houses to sell you obviously go after the listings to Julie's point, and then all the other byerly for off and you make thirty five percent. If you had a team with buyer agents, you will not make thirty five percent net profit on those by your side. By Stu you'll make way less than that if not lose money off every buyer side. You guys get the point of all this. Are. You guys falling off? We're telling you the truth but if you've only been in the business for ten years or less your cotton, the Echo Chamber of buying leads and having teams and they focus on the wrong things, right the they focus on they think they've got to do those things or they're not going to have that net when in fact doing those things will make sure you don't have that net. It's very counterintuitive and I you know I do feel bad that. Entirely, their fault they don't know where to look for those answers and the people that are around the office don't have the same outlook. They nobody says that and yet it's such an obvious truth if you visit because nobody does the math with them we're just did. Yeah. Yeah. So actually call it phys Bo math expired math in the Harris rules, book. Equations with them and say like if that's all you did this is where you'd be. What could you do with that ninety grand what could you do with that? Hundred Eighty grand how would your life change? How would your career change? Right? How would your daily schedule change because it doesn't take eight hours a day to do that I don't be that says. Earning one, hundred, eighty, grand a year or even hundred twenty grand a year in real estate has take you forty hours a week. No your guys are just grinding away Oh my God. I didn't get home until midnight because you're doing the wrong things you are believing the lies you are. You're wasting the time on the doing the things that will never generate you business end up working with clients that are not that easy to work with because. You're trained to force people who aren't that motivator qualified into deals that they probably shouldn't be in and you don't even realize it and some unfortunately, some of these guys listening think that that's how real estate is because they haven't learned to proactively. Lee Generate APPs are people that really are motivated. If you generate, you don't have to tolerate it's right and here's the thing people who have to sell a home are actually fairly easy to work with. So they are they're motivated because they guess what have to sell a house they went to to help them solve a problem. Yeah. Know and so guys listen we went down a rabbit hole, but it is so true and it's when our favorite rabbit holes ever and the reasonably like it is because we know globally I suppose but mostly in the United States ninety, two percent of you're listening to the United States I know what we just said has changed at. least ten people's lives I know there at least maybe twenty of you maybe thirty of your, they're listening Essner saying you know I have a team it's not working. I have a brokerage it's not working I don't WanNa feel like I'm a failure because I couldn't make this thing work. You're not a failure could you because you could make this thing work? It just doesn't work. That's it. Now, the model that you're following a lot of you guys are blindly following. The Gary Keller milionaire real estate thing. It was written back in the nineties and it was written before commissions were essentially an average less than three percent. It was written before the advent of all buying buyer leads. If you read Gary's book, the essence of it was everybody has to proactively generate who says that Tim and Julie has right. So you have to teach your team if you WanNa have a team, you have to teach them to have a skills. Based approach that way you have a profitable business, but you guys don't know how to do it because you've not done it. So you've learned how to do and once you learn how to do it. Then you can have freedom and it's incredibly important that you listen to what we're saying because as this market continues to pivot into whatever's next, right? The importance of knowing your numbers is going to be more. So now than ever because you cannot count on. Essentially the fluidity of cash flow that we've had for the past five years. Now, things might be even more buoyant the market my even be more crazy. What's even makes it even more important to have a skills base approach because more people than we'll get the real estate business and they'll all be running to the buying of buyer leads and the easy buttons just as many of you guys have been falling prey to that for. Over a decade anything I was going to say to these guys. Yeah. I'll leave them with my math thought not doing something about this. You really are turning your back and saying, no, no, thank you to that pretty easy business once you figure out a few scripts. No, thank you. If you had. If you had the same conversation with your spouse or significant other your kids you said, you know what? I heard about this thing on this podcast today that if I just do this, I can have that. But you know I don't know it just seems too hard to make it more complicated work in my market. Believe some fairy tale about having to create a much. Just boost your this and your that. In, honey we can just wait for that to work right and I'm Oh you know what else I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa do some open house or not some open houses, but do some postcards. By the way kick ass especially now. You're allowed to do them. A whole other conversation that's a whole other conversation we should have on a podcast this week but absolutely so Julie here's the that's my parting. Thought is you know turn your back on that if you want to but make sure you discuss it with your family. So they know what you're doing exactly make sure you apologize ahead of time for the future version of you who is going to be like lamenting the laziness of the current version of you. So right so right a letter dear future Bob. Now twelve months when I'm writing this letter and you know, I, WanNa well, let's just be honest apologize for being lazy and I did find the fairy tale of making a whole bunch of youtube videos and instagram boosting and doing all this other Mickey. Mouse. I did actually do all that stuff and you know like these goof-balls, Tim and Julie Harris told me it didn't work but I wanted to do it anyway even though in my heart of hearts I knew it wasn't going to work but listen future. Version of Bob. Here's the bad news is we've wasted a year I've spent an amount of money and time on basically chasing rainbows, and now the reality of it is is I realized that you are going to have to suffer because now you're going to have to pay off the credit card debt from all the gimmicks that I basically been blowing our hard earned money on. But I'm also now going to have to ask you to well work by times harder because now you have to catch back up. Now. So here's what you do future version of of you. Just listen to what Tim and Julie Say Joined Their Coaching Program read their book. Do you don't want to do when you don't want to do at the highest level that way the future version of you a year from when you're reading letter is not going to be hating on the current version of you. Instead you'll say, thank you pass Bob for not having to waste all that time and money and having to investigate and prove. It yourself you know. Thank you fast Bob for getting it together and just picking up the phone. Yes or just doing all the other numerous things. We tell you how to do to proactively go after the business that's yourself to it for us make our lives easier. Why do we have to beg you guys make income like that hold on delay there there. You gotta you gotTa really frame that out if everyone immediately got our message, we'd have nothing to slow. That's true. It's called or is that coaching job security? Yeah. This is jobs. 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Mr. & Mrs. H discuss Love & Happiness w/ Boris and Nicole (Valentines Day)

expediTIously with Tip "T.I." Harris

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Mr. & Mrs. H discuss Love & Happiness w/ Boris and Nicole (Valentines Day)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You podcasts question for you guys. Want to know if your man compound. He's dropped to whatever and he went six in your sleep. Do you guys handle it. He knows that happened as heck when he comes home late. I I'm a diverse individuals. All the dishes here about like what is he. A family man. Who is your late in all of it? All of veto a kiss showgirl in go took my kids. E Andy and I show up lead. A march is all real real. This is expeditious. I am too now. The following experience is not a chance to conversations stores expressed on this podcast meant to be an expression of purpose and truth. This show probably a title. Expeditiously is a free exchange of ideas and opinions no judgment no privacy beliefs no fear you're encouraged to share your thoughts and as any question as long as it's done with the speed Nash through true love and respect for others that we will change the willing to speak truth to power show at a time now without further do this expeditiously until ti hairs. What's going on man? This is This is Tim Harris and I have my wife's here with me down with apologize in advance with his long. Insurers say hello right But we got some lovely guest here. We do it. I guess we would be remiss if we did not give a proper introduction. These guests here are a duo in more ways than one. Okay so the first half is someone you may know from. His role as a Congressman Brit Co on house of cards Dr Wheel Campbell on cold black field. Stacey Malone the last man on earth on Luther and the resident evil series or perhaps you know both him and his wife from showtime drama so food now he is joined by late that we all know love. She's seven-time N. W. C. P. Award nominated extras. Who is best known for her breakout role in Paul? Thomas Anderson's Academy Award nominated film Boogie Nights as well as their outstanding performance is Teri Josue the award winning original series so ladies and gentlemen. I'm talking about none other than boys. Cordial and Nicole Ari Parker. Hey guess here now stationed nineteen these excellent with your reputation is preceded. You think we both enjoyed you all on Husbands of Honolulu. My favorite show barrier had a good time as lustrous of Koreans. You both may have man that is where we get to experience. You guys like you know on a consistent basis. That was fun funny. Thank you a lot of people say that. Actually a lot of people say serious. Never judge a book saying speaking of Never Judge a book. Now one thing I can say man speaking from America couple that has has been as good at keeping your problems in house You make it look so easy. And how do you guys seem old? Takata's ain't it is. The Damn cat is fourteen. How many years you guys married Mary? Eighteen in two thousand twenty been. We'll be fifteen in two thousand twenty seventy Hollywood. I always say life's not easy but it's simple right and what I tell my kids all the time. Okay because if you make some right choices in life can be very simple. There might be challenges. Adversity might come up. Show that you're not in control of which is not easy part but if you have a solid constitution with values principles and made some good choices you can get over those challenges and another relationship. I think it's the same thing when when you are willing to give the other person the space to f. up to mess up because we all humid you can say fuck okay great so. I Dunno Leo. There's a fog you're in. You have to be willing to give your partner a chance to fuck right and not run for the hills but to stick it out grow through the process with your partner as well as individually and then you come out on the other end a better human would. That's how she got to be such a good human but fucking figure space is how do you keep it you know whereas stays inside stays in houses. No fuck ups. Yeah I haven't heard any dirt on them. Well I mean I don't think there's a lot of dirt but but we also private and we also respect each other enough that I would never want to embarrass myself or the kids or or anybody else. Oh sweet Bush making Oliver. Oh you're going to do live shows. Oh joke APP you guys can do you know I was going to say that ultimately like you said is going to be some crazy shit that happens but you gotta be you have to have like the top three fundamentals on the same page. Like how are we going to raise our kids like is are we? Are we clear on education? And you know being respectable global citizens. Are we going to talk about like our goals for for the rest of our life we on the same page like we? WanNa get another house. Do we want to be able to save and take care of our extended families thing like a couple of things that has to be family and money and y'all's relationship have to be on the same page and then you can deal with everything else? Excellent I was somebody to talk about like the realities of keeping it spicy though like we like because the spices that never been a problem. Spicy spice. I watch howdy else kids. I mean 'cause 'cause becoming roommates is a is a true is a danger right. You get to know somebody like you never know before. Don't you guys you got all these tasks and lists of things you gotTa Tag team? And how did you sign the document school trim and then and then you also have to? You know y'all have date night. We try we. Just just today's but you're kind of odd date doubling very good very good. I mean I think for one thing for us. I believe that is. There's always been just a tenacious attraction. You know what I'm saying. Yeah there's always been to NASA's attraction and that kind of helps us through a lot of the very cities because I I you know I'm GonNa make up soon because I know I'm a need my fix the same thing for her. Yeah we like low spontaneous things like you know we may be in a public setting and you know. Try to find ways to fool around. And they're here and they're I don't get busted. Well what do you mean West but we did get you must have in order for you to be blessed. There must be someone with a high level of authority. Okay well that was a witness we would bust. It tells Komo Natta there's you yeah you should have been is always assumed airplane. Maybe maybe a a fairly what you do is standing out away. You always learn something now. Boras your father was from Ghana. Yes he was man. We recently visited Ghana. And I must say man who was one of the most the most enlightening experiences ever. I did make it to Keiko's yeah no return. Yeah we went. We returned through the duo of no return. Did you did you have the pleasure to get The rabbi to Rabbi Dear Liza amazing absolutely he is he is and and to me because she was overcome with by by the situation we read about it in history books. Yeah it's a spiritual experience you know. It's it's a visceral experience. Walk these halls and you you feel you actually feel the spirit. Severe Palpable Energy. That next time we couldn't fit our kids spoil them. Just joking I really wanted him to come shots and we're going to bring the baby back in school. Boom the yellow fever Schabus. I mean the the so my son. Messiah he had He had a Accounting exam he goes to Georgia state. my other son Demina. He's on tour in Europe. Oldest daughter Neat neak where she just just opted out. She had something to do with her boyfriend My other daughter days your head school major city had stuff to do. Everybody's like go right ahead. Have the house I sell anyway so I think that that's why we get out of taking the kids but all the same. It was a phenomenal experience. Something like anything that you ever be able to imagine and we're going back because you know. I think you guys offering dual citizenship now. Yeah so the same way. America was incentivizing people to move here and offering you know a resources and land in exchange for opportunity cultivating their land. If they didn't bring you shackled oh well talking about after that when they actually tried to make themselves seem like the best place in the world and it took us all this time to figure out they full of Shit But I think that gone is a place where we could all go learn and enjoy ourselves cultures. Rich Nightlife is. Don't they really do? We went to a Cardi B. Show car to be also out there. I say man the drive. The marches begun for College Basketball Fans and the NBA conference contenders are looking to make a move leading into this week's all-star break this year is going to be brought versus team genus which cozy out thank. God represent and take the All star Title I. Who's going to be the MVP place you're Biz? Visit our good friends. An exclusive partnership policy has bet online to take advantage of the best bonuses into being signed up for a free account. Amex sure to you that. Promo Code podcast. One for your fifty percent sign up bonus that's bet online for your fifty percent sign up bonus with cold podcast one. You did okay. So Nicole Nicole. She she says she wanted to know about keeping his spicy and we all know that women have their days. You know have the anniversary that's for the one We have the birthdays. Of course that's also for the wife and we have Valentine's Day birthdays your birthday. Yeah but it is. A celebrated like your. I'll say that y'all have birthdays. They count break new kids. Once you have thousand dollars. So don't Alps it. Gets HIS BIRTHDAY COUNTED? Everybody else is. My daughter's birth is three days from winds of my birthday. Hasn't counted in fourteen. But now are you aware and also Valentine's Day Valentine's Day and Mother's Day goodness. Yes they do. Everybody wake up late on father's Day and wake up early on Mother's Day the whole house sleeping in the day but are you aware of stake in. Bj Date yes taking. This is a real thing. You Google lable if anybody would like to Google. It is either March or April fourteenth steak steak and Bj Day. That is the name of Of his head on taking to steak restaurant or it's either or I mean just the state got you. This is the wikipedia on gas getting a remote control somewhere in the remote control away and trump on the interstate is part of it the game. Oh absolutely stake sports out there. Wow I never heard of before yes so I could be the founder of this holiday. Observance has no official status March. Fourteenth is Fisher date for steak and BJ official status. It really none of these holidays have official status. What is Columbus Day? Really what is Columbus Day? You know what I'm saying. Granted sit and and we're not found out Jesus born on December twenty fifth. What is Christmas at that point What is Christmas we love Chris? Okay see that's another thing. So how do you guys get things like that? Because she wants to baby to believe in Santa Claus thank. It's a bit responsible. I think they should believe his claws today. Imagining ran with kids. Nowadays they grow up so fast anyway with the phones and the social media all that stuff. That's out that it's disrupting their development right. Why not why? Not Keep them a little lousy UNICORNS and why not murder. He feels like not real. And everything's falsified that shitting that. You shouldn't let them celebrating. Tell them on the playground ring and then once they learn okay with but let today don't know to they still believe just. My Dad is from what from Baltimore? My Dad is like you. My Dad was like I'm Santa Claus. Push my love this new cousin my daddy. But I don I let my kids have a little make believe the nevermind. Nevermind I I really do. I know you guys have rush pressed for time. We need to have a game night man. I wanted to see how well you guys know each other man whenever you have an opportunity. We real competitive okay. Here we go. We go to see how much you guys agree on the particular sweating. Describe your wedding night using only the titles of popular cocktails the titles of popular shaken but stirred a Martini. Extra dirty. Okay significant okay. So what about if you remember? What was the subject of Uva? I fight who? He's hard question might remember that differently. Ou go first and then I chime in. I would say it was about bedtime. The bedtime fight when we first moved in together. Okay people who don't know you can say oh. Your Dad was from Ghana lately. Okay the African King Ray. What I'm saying and his Mama's German from the black forest the two gigantic strong personality STOIC cultures in the world. We can this house together and we're watching. Tv and around ten o'clock he's like okay. Is Bedtime it starts turning out the light like I'm like okay. You MEKKI GROWN. Met Me at twenty nine. That's a little bit. But he was dead serious. Yeah Yeah See uh-huh everything you're saying is absolutely correct. I agree with you in totalitarian if they if if that was a bad time unnerved by the fact that I decided that it was the best forest collectively turn in your trust him to do what you have entrusted him to. Do you trust him to make an being the key. The key word I mean but you did it for each other though. Because it's the same I I've you know you learn to to surrender to the ways of your man. She'll both of you know because we surrender to. The ways of our woman is all the time every chance story but we also want wanting another fight was even before that was when we we had a disagreement about something and she threw a pillow at me. Oh my goodness you walked out so violent to Venus whole homeowners mortgage. The whole point of this argument is to get to a solution not to throw some you walk out. That's that's what we do know that you're forever. Young men will no no. No the point was that you know when you're young you in relationships. We all fighting slammed doors and leave. And when you're in your forever relationship is like this is not a door slamming scituate. We're not going to start this relationships doors walking. I've learned something in that moment because I was had attitude that spoke up independent woman. Not Not no no no. We're GONNA work this out. We don't slam doors so that was good so now you can try. It said this is this is this is what I try to do. Is You know I just? I try to be the mirror. You know what I'm saying. So she gets she has. She's very very voice or she likes to see likes to think that is is just because she's a female in her voice carries And Cross Oh and so when she saw when she is so when she gets Super La. I try to say to you talking. What if both of us talk like you have all the way he knows? I'm right. You mean always talking. Don't hold on. I always thought that when you run out of arguments. That's when you start screaming. See that's what she. When I get loud I'd get loud. I ran out of stuff to say she is loud. Because she's right I know he he. He's like trying to you know talk rationalize he's normally and you know he's right but when he starts get irate and stuff he is wrong said as wrong no. Why can't I be frustrated? Because I'm being me. Is the APPS okay cool? We'll get to one time. I can remember. I definitely didn't handle things like like boers okay. So it was the very very beginning of our relationship about twenty years ago. Nineteen like that okay. So we're in her house. I didn't have a house. didn't have credit has shoebox money so we're in her house right and something happened. I don't remember what the argument was and she slammed the door boom locked. It locked the door and now no no no debate here and My kicked Dow kicked it down and immediately sooner that keep it down some tap. Minnesota's eight Manzini Yo. How Home Depot? Baco everything and put back on the hands man. My bad my bad did the then by. I think maybe three or four months later. I said we've got to get out of this house. We bought another house. There you go. Yeah but so so. That's the type that so do you remember. The first door was actually do. I mean the only door. Oh No never had much experience with doors. I had bad luck with walls. Had that look too many structures third floor. You know what I mean on your list there early in the year. I know it. 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The Alice report had the the memories. Memories of the pre children can saw like that brick house got a lot of flavor in your ear and a whole lot. Okay guys would be. I'm fucking tonight. A notorious B edgy. Okay I'll say you can have whatever you lay down the making its escort and that's okay so you like the words whatever you like don't know let me ask you a question okay. Come up with the question bores so you got all these kids. Yes we do. How do you get whatever you want on? Likes the Kids Keith? Get a day so we may take slow jam right now. This is just a tragedy. Elsie like we like then. Sure How can I walked in on us? One just what? I doubt varies hit up in debate. I go to sleep the kids and the AD and We would be know they would pretend sleep. Album is just got here. Yeah I keep this. If there was another person question for you guys if you man compounds you know he's drunk or whatever and he wants aches and your sleep. You guys handle it you know. Is there happened as he comes home late? That's an interesting question because at least what I'm saying at least back to the whole initiation thing right right how is that equal is that equal is it has to be it has to be because we've surrendered our. We've we've relinquished our power to you guys and you must relinquish yours to us as well and we trust each other to handle that authority to the best of each other's ability. You know in in one another's best interest and if I come home junkie usually busy. You're busy inches to get up and get own it. I'm GONNA say like sometimes when I'm sleep. That's the only time I have a real issue like. If I'm really deepened. My sleeping you know you roll up. Because he was in the be like if I do like about the turnover he filled me is all like to go through. You know just trying to get in a better position. Goodwin got in a good way. And then that's like in the middle of the night like maybe five in the morning. 'cause you know. I moved into. And when you wake up you gotTa do good. Lord Nice you gotta but that's what. I'm reading right that morning. My sleep I'm not always ready understood. I gotta be ready. We stay ready. You'll have to get up in the morning attract too. She won't let me get up. Can you believe she will hold on a second? What I try to get up. But she don't want me to get up the morning. Did you believe she. Now wait a minute let me finish. Exactly where are you getting up at five thirty to get up to nine thirty? You want me to stay in the bed. And she liked heavy pitch black lab because most of the time we get into bed at five thirty right and I'm saying is like the sun the wake meal so I can get up and start answering calls and making moves and Shapur me back down and we'll be twelve thirty one thirty a week show. It just started getting this. He used the knobby like this he used to. We're talking about the old. He used to be like this he would sleep in. I would not want me to get at the be like. Don't get at the Bay if you get you guys. I don't know we were just talking about sleeping. Obey without me. So why are you saying? I want to sleep in the bed long without cable. Listen Darling the measure question now you know when I come home and you say you sleep in you know we. We go through that little bit you do. Not You know what I'm asking for half minds right. You rattled in my hats on inside so I'm going to now you guys having kids. Are you done with that? We think I mean to me. I think the kids are their blessing. And I it's probably not the right time to ask us about that because I baby is still in. You know just a great stage now. What she gets to the point. She don't want to she she she don't want to have to do either. One of US would probably know the baby baby. Baby Baby Care you know. We have kids in every stage of life right now I can five years. We'll be having grandkids. What do you mean probably in five years where we have grandkids? 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Boris is a disciplinarian more on like Being prepared like get your stuff together you know where we gotta go look. He's the time management and the tone police. Like how you talking to me. I people up right if the Tony. Right you posted your health too. Yeah tone aggravate no seriously. How key is no when you if if he bears this when I get back? Any bears established the look very early of you to bear. My kids say that our own appreciate the had to go out. No Mama thanks. She'd be hearing me in front of his friends. Loda owed US announced better. Better 'cause snatching them up in front of their kids embarrassed them appreciate you guys. We gotta do this again to to I was GonNa ask you knows far as being from Ghana and you guys haven't concubine being able to have more than one wife. Our grandfather has six one. Yeah how do you settle into just one woman but we could say that? My father had his challenges doing that in Europe. You gotta pay for the wives you everybody set up. They signed peace. Why Israel why? I don't understand the concept because the last thing I wanted somebody telling me what to do is when you have the financial means to support sure. Numerous families than you do that and considered as something honorable to do and the wives don't fight there's number one wife everybody else. They fall in line there. There's no fighting now. What does it call in America now and only because appreciate you guys for clarifying that? No Mobile APPS for you. Okay truth be told us. Oh a little bit. I mean you can only clue. This is like your third kid right. Six kids babies. Y'All are good. I could use a nanny from a man question. So you decided to use your last name you as professionally. Nicole Ari Parker and and and bars Kodjo. So actually no boys Frederick Kolja okay. Okay so not even GONNA try. So how does that? There was no conflict. Establish like we. We weren't teenage sweethearts. Whatever I was already careers and I was just starting checkbook. 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"Crooked Lake mystery subsidy adults B. Ly honey. We're all just a lie and scientists the best way to understand now. Even scientists began your personal subject affects me attends this week so taking this time off off you know I just feel like an absolute. Turner Toilet disatisfied wheeling this week about time sort of related to ours as well. What if we found the same the study no it must be different. It's all I mean not just like the likelihood is that isn't it wasn't it would be like winning. The lottery except we don't get any money just that like yeah I've had too much time off and I've been in my own thoughts and realized that if I'm ever alone with my thoughts spiral until like they're the most insane thing. Is it meditation. What's the meditation that every musician usership sponsor the head spaces one and there's another one by Sam Harris. There's something I always hear about. WHO's Tim Harris. He's just Tim Ferriss. No Sam Harris's like he's a famous like effie guy but he also does like a lot of meditation. I don't know much about China matters anyway well here. You are not doing meditation annotation. I need meditation but I'm not doing it. Do does that count some great. I hate don't like getting your head and present than I'm always like. I wonder if the person next to me is looking at my but look I'm in the right thing so essentially it's just like a little bit of something that is not necessarily going to help the the fact that we're all really what you learned something that I learned. It didn't help but I'm just GONNA say. I wish I had something that wasn't that's like scary. Oh it's not even not that's scary. It's actually really cool and I bet if you framed it properly from a scientific. I build up from that book that I'm obsessed with by Sean Carroll the big picture. The big I literally was like about government says to me all the time this book and author. What's it called who is it? I just just like the explanation of how we evolved in the world and is not the purpose of life because I don't think that is what I should say. They need to start figuring out that purpose is different for everyone and I'm GonNa find my purpose. It is science communication. I need to work again. I know this is work with other than doing this because we have done no work as I was just saying that like based on physics his ex which I do think is in a scary way the best way to explain why the world and Universe Works and I think a lot of people don't know that much about physics which is like ignorance is bless bye-bye but also it's so fascinating and true and math is literally the language of the universe. Which is it my opinion? I think I wanNA know these things because I'm only on this planet and ability eighteen. I'd rather not travel the truth yeah and I really think it is the truth and so cautious that's built up. I'm actually is has living organisms evolved on this planet. I don't WanNa say the purpose but like one of maybe the only reasons we are the are is because we are helping the universe go into more disorder. entropy were just like a method by over method by which the universe then she likes like go and like go from a really high order which disorder we are just helping that happen only over so true so like I love. I've always been obsessed with entropy ever since I was taught in grade eleven. I remember the exact day now did gee that's what it is in the equation aging and it's because I think it was one of those moments where it all sort of clicked. This makes a lot of sense and there's always interesting metaphor that teachers use which I thanks sort of confusing but it's just like example of how everything's always going entropy. Is that if you don't clean your room like it well. I thought that that was like not natural. Bait of Rear Room is messy unless you use energy but just true and so on an actual like coal from the concept of physics. It's much more complex a good metaphor but everything is just going towards chaos. Essentially we're all just chilling out. We're all the universe is just chilling and that's all we can know right now. What started the Big Bang Okay Now. That's the only thing I can hold on. I know I know but one. I'm just WanNa talk through an example of how this works so this the sun emits a photon writes all the energy that we got from the sun because by eat a plant or animal planet right so the sentiments of Photon which I plant converts into sugar sugar that we will then eventually energy but some of that energy is not in the sugar because it's wasted. It's called the IT's like no longer useful. It's like heat or light from because you actually see the part of the reaction but not contained with energy from the sun is now a like a little bit less useful sugar. Then we eat the plant. Let's just say we're ready -Tarian we all should be no more beef so then we eat the plant and then our body uses that sugar to make ATP which also doesn't have as much useful energy as the sugar and see because because now someone's lost in like the machine the literal friction of the biological molecules of your body like some of it's like lost in that sense then we use that ATP to do something like dance dance so like right are proteins and muscles use the to literally like actually like caused contrivance US dance but some also not useful. There's like noise from I'm your sneakers or there is like heat from your body or I don't know maybe dancing isn't useful so essentially it's just that that energy of Photon from the sun is being degraded and more entropy is being caused in the universe your whole entire life is just doing that over and over and over and break almost breaking it all down it step by step by step step less like less ordered ordered each time and the energy is essentially going from a more useful ordered state to a less useful more disordered state and that drives evolution dot drives your growth that drives every single thing on the planet and I don't WanNa say the purpose of life because nihilism will come in. I and I might spiral away and think that life is meaningless. That's so interesting. We have really cool brains. Poetic naturalism is a form of atheism. Hold onto you understand that this is true but there's some things we just don't understand that are like too complex for us to know and that's what I'm hanging onto right now anyways. I'm in the middle of Ted Chiang sci-fi. I'm trying to figure out nonfiction. Come on Greg figure this out keeping like someone like. I guess I'll tell me the meaning of life and someone's GonNa tell me what happens after debt and everytime I find new book or a new thing that's going to answer it's like of course they're not doc an answer. It's the ultimate there's an answer. I know that's not what you want to hear what. I don't think there's like a very specific answer to the the meaning of your life. I want to be religious just to have that answer. That's like if you're good. You'll be treated great afterlife basically like that's why you want to know so. I think that if that doesn't give your life necessarily meeting and I think that's so scary to me is the concept of thinking that and then the back of your head your whole life never just fully addressing it and then right before you're dying having your doubts all just kind of like hot this climactic like way but I'm actually unsure of my faith. I bet that dead you know what I mean. That'd be the worst death in my opinion at least happy that while I'm trying to figure out but I think that something that I haven't really that I realized work and like purpose is so important is that I haven't had that moment where I look around. I think I honestly think the world is so beautiful. I think the fact that we even get eighty years on this planet is like one of the most amazing things in the world and my relationship with my family and my friends is like the most beautiful thing I can ever imagine that we're so lucky and I feel that way all the time and then when I stopped working in just was left alone for some reason I had a hard time thinking that and everything's was like a gray kind of Ashi Palate in my brain. Oh that's just probably also part of like a stage of life that were in like like whether it's not the age or just like the part of our. Did you hear that it was gasps across. The room was like wait. I thought he was twenty three some they. They thought I was young. Twenties and I was like that is the career hitting on actually a little bit younger than you yeah. Ah with like. Do you want it that just means. They think Tom. Every time people late. Twenties is perfect while you're smart. You've gone through all your schooling but you're young in like a beautiful but your brain is functioning. It looked like a team but whenever people like ID me when I'm buying alcohol Mike. Do you want to make you for this this moment mind. What did you learn. This Week is fully related and it's about the meaning in our lives. Oh my God it isn't it was her sitting here. Sir Dang there is something seniors. I want to bring up but I've forgotten. Maybe it'll pop up in a minute but so mine's an actual study that was done looking for what how we find meaning or purpose in our lives and so most studies in the past there's been two camps of people who use like positive and negative experiences and figure out how they contribute to your life what uh-huh like there's been different types of people who research like positive experience and the impact of them in negative experiences in life but they've never really come together and this study ultimately found owned that negative really negative experiences in your life contribute just as much to your meaning and purpose as really positive experiences in your life so it was like where is whereas happiness was positively correlated with the frequency of positive events. Obviously you feel happy when you're having positive events. A meaningful nece was associated with highly negative events as well as like so. It's just again like those moments to find you when you're going through struggle in life. It's it's hard in the moment but almost ubiquitously people in retrospect will say I'm so glad that changed me as a person. I actually think that I honestly think that in not working in the privilege and success that we've had in our lives. It's like why I'm probably grappling with is like kind of scary. I don't like jigs anything but I just feel so fortunate fortunate and so lucky that that's probably like making it hard for me to find purpose. If you'll near having like either you break up with negative to have it. Well not necessarily negative so basically they found around. It's like extreme. Events is what is what impacts your purpose meaning and it's like the intensity is more important than like they said I forget what the other word was but it's like obviously if you have a very neutral safe boredom based life like if we're feeling bored because we were not been doing too much just like having the same experience. You're not reporting adding that meeting. Even though a negative experience in the moment can be tough but that's kind of it's interesting because you might be having a neutral experience but it's leading to a negative native experience for you. You'll actually probably in the future you'll be like when I was thirty. I went through this time where I was feeling a little bit loss and feeling like not sure what the meaning of life was not. Kinda led me to search for that and now I distinctly remember that period is being Dr even yesterday just like I'm reading the uninhabitable earth and it's just like okay I like. It's it's truly horrifying that we're alive right now and that we have to prepare for what's GonNa Happen in our lifetime dot. I'm like that's giving me purpose. Okay why obviously have to think about this all the time. I'm Greg Lindbergh's a fricken Queens. Yes but you know what I mean. It's just like oh my gosh rush but yeah but I just like whatever I'm just like. Okay that is true when I start to think about negative things that I start to find more purpose which is probably interesting. Slobby will probably try and think of the positive things in order to find purpose. That's I don't know that's a really cool yeah that last quote. I'll give here's here's from an author who had written about like happiness is he says our addiction to positively and the pursuit of pleasure is actually making us miserable without some pain. We have no no real way to achieve and appreciate the kind of happiness that is true and transcendent. I mean I'm so hot bird Renton instagram Taylor like that whole influence or culture. I can't believe it's like in culture and you feel that right back and like every time I still throw my fair but you can talk more about this but there's nothing wrong with trying find to be happy as well as you can accept but it's so see through like I'm like okay. Give me something tangible like even post the ceiling also why am I listening to Miu posting talking about the negative exactly okay what actually happens in your life. Your lot of feels that you're gonNA get into it. I see more of an issue with instagram than you even though you don't not literal negative addiction and I'm like Oh my God study nine per study is called active and passive social media use and symptoms of anxiety use and depressed mood among on Icelandic lessons. Oh Love Iceland. I just watched an interview with and love him. He's a singer from Zeros Yard because because one of my number one's so she's always not number one. Can you have more than one number one bjork. Yeah sure your is your best friend and then telling another funny your best friends more than friend and Bjork is for sure digital minimum less. I don't know that for a fact that like I okay so. This sounds like it's going to be Balik. I'm wondering if all ours do you think is going to be blink. 'cause it's about Iceland and they've like because of it was about like symptoms of anxiety use and be oppressed. Booth was the title. Isn't it yeah it's it's a bit plea. Okay so tell me about about him. So Ninety three percents of adolescence in Iceland used social media and I was kind of surprised about that like seven percent that doesn't like true the I mean. I'm like well wait. I thought it would be a hundred percent. It doesn't win a with twenty five percent reporting using it more than four hours a day so also the hand was kind of like I feel like I hear the Brady love. It feels like landed people there on hi guys you know they're like making yogurt making scurr and their backyard air just golfed evolved so this is the important part that I think people should take away from which after reading this is a crab. You're GONNA take away from it. I read this last week. Purely have not but active social media use okay. I think this is probably getting alignment. As digital minimalism Yang active social media use is defined as posting photos and status updates the Chad ing with people putting things out into the world that are until your world view in opinion so that's obviously like what social media is for a lot of people in this consumption not fall under that like that social media use but what if you like intentionally are going to a friend's pige to look look at what they're up to. I mean that is like an interesting arbitrary. I'm just trying to think you can understand what you're trying to say but I mean that seems seems quite active but you're still not putting anything passive. Social media use is scrolling reposting browsing slash looking at content from others okay so then it is is that okay consuming other people's world view and there's minimal effort involved too so those are two types of ways of defining using social media whereas I hadn't before this the thought of going online. I'm going to post something but then I'm scrolling. It's just using social media but no there's active and there's passive so they made this a specific perfect definition when they went up to study this and they did a questionnaire amongst like so many kids in Iceland. Asom these types of things so they were fourteen to sixteen year olds ten thousand people to the questionnaire near fifty point three percent were girls so it's a good mix number one and they were asked about like social media use anxiety depression homelife etc so what they found was is that more time spent on social media was directly linked to greater symptoms of anxiety and depression overall. Okay you know what it is but it's also not because we don't really acknowledged colleges in our lives. We've been hearing it slowly like there have been studies out. Come out but it still is like we need to keep hearing that knowing that every study after study is finding this I because there's like seven percents museum having a old time just like playing in the Mosque but passive me social media use was related to a greater raider anxiety symptoms than active for both boys and girls and it was pretty drastic so when we started to get into how people were using it they found that people who were using it passively were were more likely to go on and just scroll consume were much more anxious much more actually depressed and so if you can manage your social media to make it more active. I'm like okay. That's that's something I want to take away and the passive. use was actually way worse for girls than for boys link. The people who are girls. The women were much more anxious based on this questionnaire rate so I was like okay I wanNA hang out how to go on social media posts something and Gloucestershire Media See. I've thought about that too and then I'm like does that just mean. I'm narcissistic because I'm like y'all should be consuming my shit but I ain't GonNa be looking or okay then managing being like this table early on it just choosing to not gonNA make sure. Is there a way to actively be passive because I am like when I make in my coffee. I am on that passively passively. I'm just like nine like mind-numbing or both. I think this is like an addiction that has it's not just instagram instagram because I've gotten rid of instagram and I still find ways to be passively numbed by things which is actually the least favorite part for me is I know it gives me anxiety when I'm like. I've just wasted thirty minutes and got nothing out of it. yeah it's so passive because when I read an article that's not passive. Have you actually leave and feel exhilarating like I just learned an actual thing like every time we're on twitter. I'm never feel like I learned anything. I know someone gals. Sometimes learn a brief like a high highlevel just like this happened. It'll be like okay yes so some like America and another shooting has happened so then I click on that but then eventually go to an article to actually stand or I just go is is to do here. I was reading what I realized is. My fear from leaving social media was that I would feel disconnected. Maybe that's a little true but anything worth hearing you here. If you read the news if you keep up with things probably were connected to the trees and there's something shrubs something addictive about knowing I which I think social media capitalizes on like it's it's kind of you. Get a thrill when like anything in the world is happening and you get that notification and then you find out about this one. I know I know but I I think that's the fear of letting go of social media that your disc. You're suddenly out of the loop and I think that's why it's hard for some people that go because you feel disconnected even though it's like it's what the APPS are optimizing on is making you feel that way when you're not actually I don't know I feel like it totally makes sense to me that passive use is the most dangerous thing and I don't know how to get over that you can delete social media but I still found other ways to use. Maybe I just need more hardline rolls around this podcast before I really took to heart and my head. There's active. No I'm making your way foliage is amazing and speaking at Indra Microphone and then putting out in the public lies but I am just like Oh God right okay well. There's this weird thing that because we haven't been working I in a crazy way like posting on twitter to me is work. 'cause I picture it as like. Oh personnel and you just not growing mad but like like you know what I mean. I'm like I don't when I think oh I wanNA break. I want to not have have to post on twitter but then in my Greg you insane person but you're still on twitter so it's like no. I should've been like if I want to break. I should have no. I'm gonNA write awfully Oh. Is it not in your pocket show yesterday so anyways. I just want want to not be as passing on social media okay well. We should try. I'm GonNa hold you to that. I think we need to make rules. I think having accountability is like a thing that helps for me if if anything and I realized when I don't have accountability partner or just some a deadline for anything it's so easy to slip and fall into this line of like well now. I just have free time mm-hmm. It's so hard when fifteen minutes of time you're like well. I'm not going to start doing work. I might as well people definitely work. You can do a bunch of emails. I I remember reading an entire. Nice article or the book and like I don't know ten of your book which is a lot but even like movies and how it's so sad to leave my own own in another room because I can't even watch a movie. I watched his Japanese movie. That was really good called shoplifters and I went on my phone like near the end you didn't ensued and then like at the credit started rolling and then I like saw what happened but like I was like okay yeah that's what's happening and then. I was reading reviews after in there like that ending. How could you do not cry and I was like Oh off. It was truly awful. I don't WanNa call you too hard but you have an extreme addiction yeah. I know lots of people think some people might say that's calling me out really hard okay. I'M GONNA call. You really hard you. Are I mean because I'm with you. All the time like I see you are very consumed by your phone all the time but then you are really funny on your stories and stuff in your really good at it in a way. That's like entertaining okay. He plays as it doesn't matter who cares exactly why no it's leading the fact twenty four hours later it's gone. It's gone forever awhile. I'm glad that like someone one giggled like I'm like okay. I'm going to jump into my study because it is also interestingly about women was was not just me but you kind of talked about how it it was actually like Vera Vera Equal Hashtag talked about how the harm or the effect on women was stronger on girls massive social media. It's found had a higher link to depression Russian in this study so mine is called Selfie harm effects on mood embody image in young women and my God. The reason that they looked into women is because they said that studies like find women are more likely to use social media and keep up profiles on social media and be active with them and like you said maybe more likely to be impacted by there women's social media more yep so it's like for women. It's been found previously that it's more related to social comparison and self objectification so anyway. This study was not necessarily looking at if it's bad for you but it was trying to understand the difference between if you just a don the I'm going to tell you there was three different groups one was like they didn't post anything one was that they just took one photo in the study and posted online and the third one was that they were allowed to take as many photos photos and then pick one and alternate with like tuning APS or editing. APPS and then posted and it was just so the first group they're testing them actually like sitting down and using abusing you come into the study and you for one group you take a picture and post to your social media but you only get one picture and you post a write up and it's like a A. I saw the Middle Group. What was the first group they basically gave them like a magazine to read about social media so they thought the study was still about social media had nothing to do with photos and then the third group was that they actually also had the chance and the ability to audit their photos so the study was really looking at like. DEZ putting time into editing your photos I was having another more severe effect or whatever his love scientific studies and I just I guess so interestingly. I don't know can't cure also interesting. It was at York University. They did this study. Toronto Shot Opium Trade in the six. I was with my sturdy so basically like they use all these different markers and psychological studies to test them before and after to see and the results were any person who took photos and posted them of themselves felt felt more anxious less confident and less physically attractive than the control group the group that was just reading a man yeah the group that didn't post went by posting selfies of yourself they all had like worse levels no matter if you were the group that did it just taking one or had an edited version on the biggest decreasing confidence from it was from the untouched photograph where. Oh yeah so it'd be like. Wouldn't it be photograph. That's but they both were like pretty close so they said there's no significant difference. They were essentially like obviously you're going to be less anxious about the of the aldridge like a Wallet Private Sucker Yeah so overall having the ability to retake and retouched their selfie to their satisfaction before posting hosting did not mitigate any of the anxiety which you would think like it was about the worst worst study yeah they when you see the charge. They're like pretty similar. The the untouched was the most anxious but then to stir testicles significance. It wasn't that run that through the stotts so yeah like it was just interesting to know. That was the P value it's I I. I've forgotten how to do always read them. I like fry and then I sometimes got it but then my gregor you just like contextualising. That's that's in your own version. I think they found that the girls who are women who had a chance to retouched thought they would have been like they seemed more confident but then they also experienced just as much anxiety and confidence decrease ultimately this is and this is worse for women or this is just women. This was just women but they've done the studies. allman knowing adults have found girls of this age groups spend five hours a week taking selfies taking selfies not using their phone just like taking wives yeah and so it's like health professionals should be aware if someone's suffering from anxiety or depression like this actually made or just knowing it's worth like your yeah or or their understanding this social media. Josh wtrw this should be a question that your doctor like. How much do you drink How much exercise do you have how how much social media and especially if you're like. I'm depressed why this fricken shaded important because it's actually like that should be baked into the medical system which I'm sure. A lot of doctors are like well. I think that's what they're trying using studies like this. It's like it's how signing enforcing this should be part of the conversation shapes society and this is where we're at now which is so true. Oh my God. It's probably quite similar for gay men. I feel like gay men probably fall into the category similar for everyone but I don't know I guess there's not been a allowed. Someone just like editing like spicing. I think amen following the same categories woman I have no idea but I just think about all the the gay male like like think of how many gay hot I don't WanNa say it's about but I see lots of gay men who are like yeah looking like whenever I go on my instagram explorer page because my Odyssey knows I'm gay 'cause. I like folic Britney off but it's like crazy. I'm like every time I'm just like. There's this other random gay gay guy with APPs who actually has so many followers who actually just posts in a speedo like I'm not judging it. I'm just surprised that it's like that. It can be sustainable for so many people like softcore bar jerking off probably not but it's like exhilarating to see someone like aspiration yeah and even on the other end. It's like if you're a drag queen honey. You're going to be faced tuning that stuff. You'RE GONNA be looking in the snatch. Does you can like any time. I've done a drag on Mike now. I have to edit this because I don't want your Oh. You're seeking barely because I know I'm joking. I definitely do so. How'd you edit them well. There's just face tuning APPs and stuff that kind of like 'cause we really elite to care about. No I'm really salvage and then like cool. I posted Jag is especially like you. Don't realize if you see a drag queen in real life you can sometimes close up see that it's not nearly it's like meant to be from afar but remain calm yeah it is it is is that okay. I think having started drag makeup makeup. I realized I thought I was so bad but then it's because like you can see yourself close up and I'm just like when I sometimes see people thought of makeup on I'm like. Is this for the photos that we're GONNA be taking up or is this for like the way the experience of it in real life 'cause sometimes I see people who have so much upon their legs close. It's not like it's too much but I'm like okay. Obviously you're aware that it looks your whole face is covered in America and I'm just wondering are you thinking because the photo is GonNa look great or are you thinking because the people I interact with in real life are going to think it's goes. I think some people it's a it's a cycle right like you probably start when you start out with not that much but over time you start to like enjoy the aesthetic of having much smoother mood their skin and having like nice blush. Let's do have only mostly done drag and y'all gone into public so you're obviously thinking about the way it looks on camera yen. Drag makeup is like extreme so you can go as far as you want and you're not really being judged because it's like you're supposed to look kind of intense not supposed to but that's one way to do it. You're right I I don't we know drag Queens too and my thinking about instagram like it's so important so I watch. I watch a lot of YouTube. beauty bloggers many any who are men as well and. I think there's there's something to it. That's like they don't mind that they look like and I'm not saying they don't they look actually. It's very different like the other day. I actually did try and do just cute boy makeup and I was like but I still feel like I look so different by you get used to that. I actually like now if I'm at a gay bar and I see the guy with like some really nice makeup on them like us so hot like it's like it's true. Will you know what I mean like. Chevy's yeah well. I mean it's like the fact like I'm obviously aware the guy and I'm looking at has made on it. I think it's so cute and like so sexy level of grooming to that shows that you care about and they obviously look really interesting cooler or then a different lake a random guy with like just no makeup on it makes you like stop and look in a way that like it doesn't when you just have like my weird just like red face ace turns. Haven't you ever heard about how that is like a signal to people like about emotions authenticity. Okay I know and it's like okay so while L. Everyone does Barnes and vulnerable and cute. What if I want to be. I know but it's it's people don't WanNA also hot no one no one's ever said that. Everyone always ah WHO's had like. No one said I didn't say no one. I'm just like I know people. Find your very attractive. I find very just tell me who said that. I always see people at bars like you always get hit them. I don't know I ooh never got me. Neither why you're saying. I got hit on the bar. You have an energy that you give off really confident. People won't won't talk to me. No I think it's the because I dance and maybe all self conscious but I'm worth South all-south con. I think that you get a lot of attention and people think you're hot. Are you serious. Yes Oh my God. I'm literally like like getting turned on your own. You're too and I think I am more. Oh boy hey we're here on. I heart boy he does that. I think that I also feel that same way on my people call Armie cute. I don't think I I don't think I read as like Seattle okay. You're literally like dark Mr Structure of no I think I'm I'm just like a little boy. It was like a nice little boy is cute but I don't know how to be sexy sexy. Do you think I mean even the my more nerve like we'll read as anxious at the bar you you seem calm cool collected because you're just quiet and chilling whereas I'm dancing on a table. I really don't know people are looking at me. Mitch because they're gonNa try and give or if they're like dot guy is Kook Kook. I don't know anyway so we go into our next. Hold my God I kind of hanging out I was just gazing easing into your heart is big. Is We have to make out okay. I always wonder about people listening to this who are like maybe like. I have any question for weight. You think there's people that wasn't that don't know that's so okay did a comedy show the other night on stage and I was like they were playing like. Ac full and I was like okay did go straight and it was like truly silence. I was like anyone and they were just like no. I was like what I literally was just acting so strange. I'm like okay. Obviously people heard me talk my normal's. Alvin obviously aren't they can't even convince people when I'm giving the rock symbol and saying walk-off or why would they not the way true. You need to like studies rape. They were like we just thought you had serious problems and I don't really going to say but I honestly was like this is tiffany. Check Change Hot Sam Hi. If if you've been listening the pod for long enough you know that I want strangled Perez Hilton. No I shouldn't say strangle put my arm around Paris Hilton quite forcefully instead Sam hot and she said you're hot. Wow Aw that's a really interesting story so this is one of the studies I've ever read my entire life so it's called left cheek poses garner more light. Oh my God I saw that when it was looking effect pose orientation on instagram engagement honestly when I read this. I was just like whoever the study is just like China. Phd Industry like instruments such an easy. I literally hit on okay. Wait hate as a strong word and like why they tame and working but not much time okay so so past that he's have hinted that the left side of faces there is a bias toward. That's actually decided that thinks my better side. I can't because you obviously read this. You know no no no because my hair swoops that way so it's like I don't like the way the other side looks okay but I I yeah so I my hair soups the same way your hair sue and wonder if that's but I don't like the left side because then there's less hair covering I like the right because then my hair's covering ring my forehead foreheads the size of a billboard Nike could advertise on my forehead. That's not true so you like your bigger forehead. You like big for it. I find my hair looks dumber on the side like a kind of like it just looks messier when is yourself and I. I don't know you like the okay so the party side where it looks a little more groomed and undecided sounds like it looks like a didn't come together properly side note. All men have suchet now remember. It was straight up with Gel so I love that look. I know me too but then when I look at me. I'm like you who okay so. This is a very easy study to do so what they did is. They took the top twenty single user. INSTAGRAM accounts also even that top twenty four billion algorithm do top twenty thousand. I came crashing early. It was Kim. KKK Nikki Riana which side of awesome okay this is and literally me when I was a little party. My Science degree being like yeah sure I'll do this study L. study on does I don't. I didn't didn't like WANNA drag. Whoever did that but I'm like. Maybe it's like I and then the number of likes and comments were tallied and then they just decided which way arenas face was facing near the ten percent increase in likes and those who were showing their left. I mean just it's not like you like science is just like there was a ten percent increase and the discussion very hard time trying to do the whole point like how Orissa's helped the world what's next. God like at the end of this was the flaw so our listeners saying hey you wanna hit those legs you want those comments but anyways there's a ten percent increase left cheek Sheikh so if you're out there and you're really trying and as I wrote about just go left. Cheek Science is much better. I wonder why I wonder if I wonder if extends beyond that to like some some evolutionary outside of instagram if it was just like in photos generally go be shocked towards the right you'd be like you're right though there's not I mean I don't but is it like because more people are right handed the left side of the vases. I'm mike or maybe like the Sun. Aging is more likely to happen on one side of the face as the. OC is like actually looks like younger but none of those make sense. I don't know that's that's that's the future discussion of this study idea l. all the meaning of life actually instrument learning. It's deep down trying to hit. The evolutionary reason why left face better didn't wasn't it. Barbara streisand who had data favorite side of her face and it was side. It's called the streisand effect when she didn't want people to look like take pictures and share them of that and then it's like when when someone doesn't want a photo to be shared and then it becomes extra popular because like or not even just a photo of someone's trying to oppress or repress like the release of something and it goes viral. That's called the streisand streisand effect 'cause I think she didn't want some certain photos onto something according to the study. I'm surprised they didn't quote her. In also for young people who was it might have been her right side. I know it was her laugh. Because I remember Rosie O'Donnell oh like switch with her whole for before he left her and like her mom had died and then she talked about how it was so many flooring flowing she cried and I was like I love residental. Donald trump is a huge issue in my life. Okay Rosie O'Donnell and Barbra streisand explain explain them to a younger audience Barbara San Barbara citizens presents even like kind of before our time to I mean we loved her because I think our our parents generation was like Barbara and she had to do that. I know she was just like hugely. Famous is singer and she's such a good actress to write off Scher's and so I don't know that much built a mall in her baseman apparently that's and then Rosie O'Donnell's the best talk show host of all time because she when I only was she an activist. She was always on top of pop culture a great interviewer she would get to she was entertaining. She was hilarious. She was light light. She was just sort of like effervescent but then also when needed to she was like on it. When it came to politics totally was on it. She's freaky. Yes she was queer from so long. Openly it's amazing like she came out so long ago when it would have been so much harder even when she wasn't out because she was out throughout her whole entire yeah no. It didn't kind of new maybe she goes no no she like but but it wasn't not herself queer lines but she really this obsession with Tom Cruise from survivor. We've ever who was sell hot. I still think about it and every now and then when survivor stupid I'm like Rosie O'Donnell show also Harry Potter to the cultural weakening. It's like okay music and every musical and she's like saved New York but she always was obsessed with Tom. Cruise and sheds all button on her thing that Tommy can you hand me and it was so cute but but obviously people were kind of like was that you being caught closeted and he was like the pope beard that you would say yeah and then after she came out she said no he is just an example of someone who I would want to just Mo- my lawn and bring me lemonade and the last episode of the Rosie the show of all time it ends it cuts to black and all of a sudden it comes back and Tom. Cruise is mowing align and walked up to the camera unhanged goes here. Isn't that cute because it's like acknowledging her as having what's this it is a very important way of looking at science through a different Lens. That isn't just a guy with a monotonous anonymous. What's going on Blah. Blah Blah no offense place other podcasts okay. I don't need to drag. It's just a different people. Have actual produced added that we can do it ourselves. that was a nice little side note those. Nice I feel like crying one last thing about Rosie I had never seen the movie now and then which she is a star because my parents never let me okay dragged him so they let me watch movies but it was not like we watch it felt like why wouldn't you let me watch that. Rosie was in it and you know how much we all love Rosie all right. I'm going to go into my last study. What is this about. I'm so excited okay. How's the format working forever. I mean. I'm just curious about this point. Everyone like what the Hell's going. This is cool. I like when you guys like intermix studies with the skipped the podcasts at this point that no one's listening just let us know him here. Someone's got to be here okay. I absolutely hate the title of my next one like I can't believe. Studies can actually get away with calling themselves things because it's not catchy no because okay. Maybe it's actually actually nice that they're trying to not be boring is check yourself before you wreck yourself. You know just personality ratings of instagram users as a function of self image post so there's the science right but they had to like put the little Swang and it is really funny because we live playing. They just say a word for Pena's. No you said Wang Wang Penisula Twang to me is like a guy I with overalls and a bit of like a husk coming out of like chewing in his teeth and he's like Oh yeah now got a little bit of Twang on guitar a country percents time. Oh twang country country Twang. This is a very country article so definitely that word makes perfect sense here so this study was basically looking at the macy's basically I am starving. I'm shaking. I don't know it was just like looking at the. I haven't hit record who am G BARF. I'm going home. It's all about the perception so less about like the impact on you and about how how people see your posts and in particular the view of self versus what they called. Posey's and Deposi I thought was just called a photograph like when someone takes a picture of you versus you taking of yourself so what is about Moses just like instead of you taking a Selfie so you give the phone to someone else and they take this. I actually am into that on the unique my phone and he goes on. We're getting workers not so surprisingly or maybe it's surprisingly they found that like they basically had two groups of students. One Who had gave permission to take their thirty most recent photos was an analyzed them in code them and stuff to pig pig out figure out like what the angle whereas with the leading wise if there was a self year Posey are all nudes and they found that re- like regardless of their environment people who took Posey's instead of instead of a cell fees were viewed as being higher self-esteem more adventurous. It's less lonely more outgoing more dependable more successful and having the potential for being a good friend. Okay take more pose yeah whereas the inverse was true. If you took like south easy we're seeing like basically less likable less accessible more insecure. I guess like because for me now because then it shows that you like have have friends but the interesting part was then they tried to take that and study that further and be like is it true people who take more sell fees are they less likely to be the confident. Are they less any correlation so it was all about the perception is that even if it might not be true. The viewers are seeing people who take selfies as kind of like like more negativity. You don't even need to do this. You just put a timer on your phone. Get the best prop up my friend Mark Vertical shout out on sexy underscore girl sixty nine on instagram actually famously. MHM sleep deleted instagram. Wow minimal time yeah but it's like he is so good whenever we're anywhere and we wanted a photo. He never ever thinks what is healthy. He goes. He's he immediately goes to the tree figuring out how to prop it on the tree and it's like he takes amazing photos cute sometimes about here we go. What the you know what I mean like what we're in a selfie together. It's still like you know you need a friend but then there's like yeah so I guess the lesson is carrier frigging Oregon tripod with you and just trick of knows seriously but I love Posey's needs to catch on. I love that we are in that world and it's literally our job but it's obviously scientists are realizing like we need to make people actually able to understand what we're doing and it's a huge issue with the science community and it's so funny how someone price belting taught for so long but how they're. GonNa Catches title and I am not. I think Posey's really interesting funny it is I didn't know that was I think that's like technical term for. I don't know if they made it up and if you did I think that they were they were like we need a word for this. It's called paws easier. I Martin we have a little like wrap up. Okay we wrap up. Okay tingled. I am very aware through studies that AH I need to stop being so passive in my social media. I think that's honestly the best takeaway from these studies is that you can you can take things from if you go on intentionally to be like hey even. I think separate from one you said active is only posting. I think if you go like hey I actually want to spend fifteen minutes and look at what my friends are up to see what like the news things I follow are doing and give yourself time limits to me. That's like intentional versus like I'm kind of bored. I'm just GONNA FLIP IT Open I. I think that's a better way to use it. I think a lot of social media is aspirational for a lot of people especially young people like we have the opportunity we have the gorgeous opportunity to go go to something called the bitcon which we should definitely do an episode about and so it's a convention of Youtubers screamers now talkers and essentially essentially you realize all these young people are there as an opportunity to learn they want to be around their favourite youtubers but they're also trying themselves. Youtubers and a lot of young people use social media because it's actually like who knows he would become something that they actually ran so. I think that's also fits into the active versus passive rusher. You need to be a passive person on social media to learn how the trends work and stuff but be conscious about that but it's being active on social media that will also allow you to suspend essentially Ashley potentially become successful and if you are aspiration on social media be more active because that's the part that's GonNa make you pinch and just be aware if you are like think you're suffering from anxiety or depression or having those emotions like social media can exasperate that don't talk to your doctor about this too right like doctors. I hopefully will become more and more trained and just no yeah. I think it's important to realize that it well. It can give you great things. I'm sure even though we haven't really highlighted in this episode like it can be cause for negative reaction in life negative. We'll have highlighted. I want to go back to what active social media use is. Yes it is posting photos. Status updates chatting putting things out in the world that are based on your worldview and opinion sharing that is important. If you feel a certain way like it's all the world yeah I like. The world is allowed to know that it's interesting people might feel heard there are beautiful aspects of it but those beautiful aspects for you aren't going to be from when you're just consuming things as passive true okay well Greg. Do you think your action. You're I give you full permission to slap my phone square under my hands no. I thought I'd try but I'm like okay. I know next pod. I'm GONNA tell you my results and we'll see if you I've been using it lasts. You mean you think you would you delete the answer everything you're you're. GonNa try and use them less. I think I'm trying. That's what I know. What will happen so I need to delete Aletha even for myself. The APPS are so good at making you one is now. I know well for those of you. Still listening seriously are looking down the barrel of your eye sockets renouncing. We love you and make sure that you have hit subscribe on that Franken wherever you got your guys say like use the Hashtag fuck has to let us know what you think about it and then you you can find social media. Yeah isn't the oval. I've just telling you how bad it is. You don't WanNa know what you know what you actually don't even have to do it this time. You just don't know but you can you want you can over eat. It doesn't help any of US know because that's active. They're gonNA tell us and we're going to be the ones who have to suffer. Impassively consume then we're GONNA turn into another partner. We're going to do an active because we're gonNA talk about their tweet to to them is in this beautiful. We're all actively social mediating so the end of this the the takeaway as social social me does amazing. Thanks for listening doctor next time.

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Podcast: Exclusive Brent Gove Interview | The REAL Truth About eXp Realty | Tim and Julie Harris

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Podcast: Exclusive Brent Gove Interview | The REAL Truth About eXp Realty | Tim and Julie Harris

"Hey, I welcome to real estate coaching Radio Star Award winning Real Estate coaches. And number one international bestselling authors. Tim and Julie Harris real estate coaching radio is the nation's number one a daily radio show for realtors who demand authentic real-time coaching get ready for fluff free unfiltered full strength honesty. What's truly working to get you into action helping others and making money now in today's real estate market now to our hosts Tim and Julie Harris. 321 and we're back and those of you up exp Realty. I'm meeting with someone. I don't remember your name. What's your name? Again, Brent, but I might go up to your mouth Brent Brent Brent this little age when he's just getting started. He's a new agent from California from Sacramento. Is that right? That's right, Sacramento, California. How do you spell your last name? Is it Go V6 go Vegas pronounce people do that Gove a go. So we're sitting here and guess we're back in Puerto Rico back at the Ritz-Carlton. Overlooking. What is an absolutely Stellar really gorgeous day. I can barely concentrate, trees Blue Sky the ocean the Caribbean. Oh, it's beautiful. Although here on this side the islands the Atlantic, right? Yeah technically sure that it is beautiful dog licking her all stuff. I start losing concentration. Exactly. Yeah. So you're having a nice vacation down here. I take totally what's so what are the top three things? They're surprised you and your lovely wife Kathy. So far from being down here. Oh, it's it's the closest thing to Maui I've ever been to we love now you go every year and this is just phenomenal absolutely love it. But we are at the Ritz. It's pretty nice. Nice. Well even outside of the Ritz though. There's some there's some places that are around here. If you drive just 15 or 20 minutes or so in the most beautiful, you know, I got stuck looking. It's literally, not fair. So down at Palmas Del Mar would mean Susan and we see st. Thomas across the way I know beautiful and everyone loves st. Thomas. It's a great place. So a guy that we're becoming friends with Brendon burchard. I pray pronounce his name wrong down here, which a lot of you guys have heard of any way. He said something I thought was really nailed the, you know, put made the point of why you moved down here cuz he said in his mind that you have took you only get to enjoy living in a place like this when you're at a certain age, right? You can't do it before that because after all that's not how life supposed to work you're supposed to, you know, suffer until you're you know, I don't know when and then you can maybe log To some place that's like this and he's had the Epiphany while I just do it sooner, you know, which is really the bottom line and if you can you should because the quality of life down here, you know, here's the funny thought you're from California. So you guys don't suffer winter but Julie and I when we originally moved out of Ohio for like five or six years every time it would be like October we would literally start thinking it was going to be cold like the two weeks. Oh, yeah, you don't get that. You don't shake but down here. It's so beautiful year-round. It's I think it's like how we're loving it's great fun. Loving having you guys here at thank you. So we're going to talk about a whole variety of topics and and home I think as we're approaching this we should probably talk about this from your origination story. You're sort of how you got started out in real estate because maybe that's not like how you got specifically involved in e x p because your story is not so dissimilar to other people where they sort of started out maybe a little skeptical and then they sort of like realized it was something special and so by the way podcast listeners if Listening if you haven't figured out yet. They're going to be a lot of exp Realty talk on here. So if you're not ready for that, well listen anyway, cuz there's a lot of things on here that will educate you and motivate you. So what was your your origin story for head bald with the XP? Well, I was twelve years at Remax loved it eight years at Keller Williams loved it. But I'm the kind of guy who's happy pretty much where I'm planted where I am and four years ago. Got a call from a good friend of mine from Dallas Texas. She'll Affairs ran. She's like, oh my gosh Brandon you heard about this new company exp, and I'm like, no I haven't and so she said, oh, you've got to check it out. They're going to change the world and all this crazy stuff. I think there were twelve hundred agent said he had speed throughout the US and Canada at the time and think we were fifteen million dollar company in today over three billion. So she was right by the way, but so that was my origin story. She asked me to check it out. I did I was shocked. I was blown away. I mean blown out of my chair cuz I'm a very open minded game. Sun I looked at the facts there's there's nothing like it the world if you're in real estate nothing so when this was what how many years ago four and half three years eleven months and three weeks ago approximate approximate date today, what's the date today? Do we know? I don't know what Imma set my watch today today is the 25th. So it has been it was four years on the 21st, honey. We didn't even have a celebration off and now you're ripping her or year. And why did you just call me honey? And I'm just kidding. My wife is in the room. Yes. Yes for those broadcasters. I do not ever call Jim honey. And I did right there. There's only one money and she used to my right so I got you distracted. So you remember back almost four years ago when you were choosing exp over Remax, Julie and I were three max to for a decade. So when you decided to leave and go to the EXP, like why hadn't you done that sooner it's not like exp. Hadn't been around for longer than four years. You know, I've never heard of it. No one ever presented that so that's a really that's actually pretty amazing. Let's let's log Were there so no one ever presented it to you, even though you are one of the top agents and your team is still one of the top teams in the country, you know in your in your California world and write everyone who you are, but I don't I don't know about that. But you know, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean been really done. Well. Yeah, right so you are you know, somebody knowing it ever heard of before yeah point being wage is known as it approached, you know, never approached you or the people that approached you did a poorly known a never. I've never heard the letters e x p and my first solo initial responses. That's a terrible name for Real Estate is awfully like what does that examine your zipper exp? I don't know what it was. By the way. I love those letters now, it's like Google or Yahoo, or any C. Or you know I B M or may be your c21. Everyone uses acronyms just sounded weird cuz I've never heard of it now. I love it. It's my three billion dollar dream exponential. I mean that's yeah that was actually interesting question too late. I had to a couple years. It goes with the heck's that stand for in there like whatever you want it stared for right? And by the way, I left Remax, you know twelve years ago that I went to Keller Williams had been there for twelve years when I was right years. So Kelly Williams was to come back left that was madly in love with but once I understood the model there was no way I could stay impossible either. The only reason people aren't any excuse. They really don't understand the model or they simply have not taken the time to really understand the model of it and give it a quick cursory look and then listen to their team leader their o p their regional manager Whoever has influential over them to say it's garbage junk and I could tell you this almost every agent who was selling forty fifty sixty homes a year that left with me for years ago as a millionaire two weeks be agent after agent after agent after an agent has over a million dollars in our NASDAQ stock. We literally they didn't go recruit a bunch of people. They just changed what they sold real estate. I cannot tell you how many times they get the email when it's 45 per share. I'm a millionaire wage. The three or share of a millionaire I get this all the time and they're so grateful. So why is it given the fact that the models proven that there's not just one or two easy question. Go ahead cuz people are Lakers fans. They're Yankees fans there Boston Red Sox. I will die a friend who's a Seahawks fan. I hate to see X. I like Russell Wilson. He's an impressive guy. I'm a man in New England Patriots fan will stay the same way. I will diet Century 21. I will be a Sotheby's agent tell them and they just get loyal to their brand which is insane be loyal to your family man. Took it out understand you are passing on a fortune. This is the Apple the Google of our time in real estate and you're missing it cuz you're too doggone closed-minded. You gotta look at it take a deeper dive if you're not excited and you and you can't go to bed where you can't sleep. You simply don't understand the model. That's my opinion like Jake Henderson cuz you're not that or you're not bright and yep. Think it's that you're not bright. Which well what Jay said once you see it, you can't unsee it. Yeah, but there are exp. Insomnia more coffee on the way. Yeah, but there were but there are people refuse to see it. Right right and I think that refusing to see it aspect of it. It's fear-based. Have you thought like they're fearful of something? What do you think are fearful for some of them? Yes, here's what I don't know what I really think I think people thought in they own a franchise that it's Century 21 or Re Max or Kevin Williams or Sotheby's or some Berkshire Hathaway in there just in bed. They're they've invested hundreds of thousands of dollars off their leaders are back. They can't they don't want to believe it cuz then they gotta somehow disentangle themselves cuz they're butting into a system at whatever brokerage it is Christie's or or I you know, whatever again whatever brokerage and guess what they don't want to even admit there's something that could possibly be better. We can take care of them. We can take a try to stab you in yeah wage. Thank you. All right. Thank you. No problem. Thank you. They just brought coffee to the room. We have it stopped blinking. Yeah, so there's an old saying and I don't know who said this and I need to Google it and one of you guys thinking Google it and save me the effort but when the going gets tough the smart leave and and the secondary version of that if there's a difference between quitting and quitting while you're ahead. So there's a fascinating what you're expressing and I see this happening a lot with coaching clients is they'll start doing things in their business that absolutely positively do not lead to more transactions or more profit, but they've just been doing them for so long that even though there's no tangible results from it. They just keep doing it because they're afraid to not do it. So it's that fear that's fascinating because it keeps people away from ya and you can we can deep dive & Tony's office opens and dr. Phil it to the end of the Earth. But at the end of the day, you said it perfectly at you owe it to your family. You you owe it to your I'm good you owe it to your job. You know your grandkids and your grandkids after that and if you don't have a family or you don't have any grandkids, you know, you owe it to yourself. Yeah, and it's in it's at the core of it. I know I'll ask you this question to ask me an answer it myself. What is it the root of why people start any business or decide to be in business themselves? What is what eventually is the reason a relation? Not primarily, but it eventually what becomes a motivation for them to it taking the risk. I think a lot of times there's a lot of reasons I think would answer that question by a lot of it is the pain of staying where they're at is so much greater, they'd rather, you know borrow money get a SBA loan borrow money from family friends or cash in their 401k and launched out with their Deli their restaurant there whatever and so I think that there's that there's opportunity right? There's a lot of things. I think the reason the bigger question though, I think is why don't they why don't people wage Take a chance and there I believe it's cuz they're afraid to fail. They're they're they have fearful of failing. I'll give you an example. I remember being at Craig Proctor and I'm a huge fan of Craig Proctor learned from him twenty years ago. And he said he talked about charging six and seven percent and back then. I've only been in the business for years on your listings. I'm like man I'm struggling to get five and half and then like whoa, Coldwell Banker will do it for 5, will you do it for four and a half and it becomes a race to the bottom and what Craig Proctor taught me twenty years ago and it's a valid thing and I'm sure Tom Ferry and Joe Stomp and Mike Ferry and all the different trainers. And of course Jim Harris. I'm sorry the best of the best will teach use in the absence of value. It's all about price. It's a race to the bottom if you're getting negotiated down on your listing fees in my opinion, and I'm not a coach I'm just an agent is is because you're not demonstrating your value and then they're not seeing your values. So then they're going to negotiate but when you've clearly displayed dead Value you bring to the table. They will pay you handsomely like I could go to H&R Block and get my taxes done. I spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars getting my taxes done because I believe the CPI higher it's worth his weight in gold. We spend I don't know 72,000 here on our bookkeeper. I've had bookkeepers before I don't normally pay bookkeeper right off guys so good. So I think that's a really important distinction. Last one. I'll say is I remember when Tom Dave's the number one killer Williams agent the world seven times in the past 17 years. He said this one time he took a look when I go on a listing appointment and then like I don't want to sign we want to pray about it. We're just we're an interview two or three more country two or three more countries two or three more companies agents and I was kind of took it out there without sign listing agreements and he said this he goes, here's what he would say to people he would say, you know what? Let me just write on the listing agreement just write it in right here that you make cancel for any reason at Birth. Anytime with 24-hour notice. I remember thinking heck. No, I'm never doing that. I love those irrevocable listing contracts. I don't want to get fired and it took me a while to to add TV brave enough to overcome the fear to start writing that one people. I only wrote it when people would hesitate I go. Yes, you should pray about it. But let's take five minutes to the paperwork. Now if you wake up tomorrow and you decide it's a bad idea or you want to list we'll just send me an email back over says it right here. I finally got brave enough overcame my fear of achieve am I and I've never been fired on a listing for that. I've lost I've lost I've had three people say they want to change direction the past twenty-four years about three times and it hurts as an agent after you put time and energy into one of them was a woman cuz I wouldn't pull weeds with her and her yard and they have their reasons for wanting to go another Direction but I think fear holds people back and I think pain moves them forward when they can't stand where they're at now like I'm going to take a risk. You just said something that's really important. I hope the listeners wage. Thing so everyone if you ask anyone whether they're more motivated by the carrot or the stick, everyone says especially sales people they always say I'm more motivated by the carrot, but that's never true 99.9% of everyone often evaded by the fear of losing something they already have so if you were to I mean just think about this if if you're trying to find out what's really going to motivate you listeners or if you're running at brokerage or a team whatnot. It's losing something. They already have it doesn't have to be monetary. It could be. Well the story is I think there's a coaching plan. I had his name was a Monet his real name. What a name I know and and I have boring names compared to that. All right. So Monet had gotten to the point. This was before I started coaching and where he was really really overweight and like four hundred five thousand pounds or something and it had been had this problem for a long time. The doctor said if you don't lose the weight you're going to basically develop diabetes and you have to have you know, blood circulation problems. You have to start losing fingers and feet and toes and all that wage. Didn't take her seriously. So he goes to the doctor again and the doctor says we need to schedule your surgery cuz I need to remove part of your foot and it wasn't until that very moment that he decides to take seriously the the fear of you know, the fear of losing his foot actually got a motivated and there's all that but that's not even a good story. I think that would motivate a lot of us though, right? Yeah, take a hands-off what you were saying you so so it does what you're saying. Let me finish with the Monet score. Okay. His name is Monique Houston as never as if you're listening. I tell your story frequently because it's such a good story. So he then loses all this weight and he gets in such good shape. He's on the cover of the Men's Fitness magazine know that's his story. That is awesome. Awesome. That's a happy ending. I love that it even gets better off. So I'm coaching on that. His goal was basically to live off passive income from paid off for all properties and he actually got to that point too. So not only did he get in great shape, but he also basically was able to essentially retire before he was like 45 birth. Awesome is that but that was fear of losing something they already have so maybe the reason that more people like you listeners. The bottom line is you got to ask yourself if you're looking at or if you're choosing not to look at 6 P. Maybe not worry about what your psychology is. I mean he and I can talk about fear of loss or fear gain. We can talk about scarcity versus abundance. We can talk about all these things until the cows come home, but maybe set that aside just take a real good Gander at and Brent's actually got a great video. I use it all the time the model explain. Com check out the video. So, you know, see if it works for you. If there's a shorter video to you can text the word exp 2096 and then we'll text you back a video and you can watch it and walks you through and we we can talk about the XP forever, but I personally think the human stories that have come from people's involvement e x p is what really motivates me and and Glenn the founder of the company said something and this is one of the things that got Julie and I'd really believe it and take it seriously and he had said something similar to this than that. He'd restated it month. Away, but the essence of it is is where agents never retire and he needs to create a full port foolproof system to make it so that they can retire and they can be free and a sense of story said that to me is an incredibly long the most motivational thing. Like I wish there's a coach that I could guarantee somebody that I can't he can I love the point you're making. Yeah. I've been twenty-four years in real estate office. I've been to birthday parties anniversary parties a lot of kind of party graduation parties. I've never been to a real estate agent or broker retirement party not once in twenty-four years. So it's it's pretty cool. I was fortunate enough to years and 17 is two years and seven months ago to retire from the listing of homes. I'd become a listing agent eventually you become a listing agent. If you really figure out the name of the game and you have all your buyer's agents and I had eighteen agents on the brink of Team twelve by our specialist six listing special stick listings. I didn't want but when you get to the point where you're passive income off, Over a hundred thousand a month and he like, you know, I don't think I need a list homes anymore. Of course, my listing specialist loved it cuz now they got the Million Dollar Listings on a Million Dollar Listings. And so they're loving I just take 50% whole partner on them, right but my coach today is Tim and Julie Harris. They they they just coached mean on real estate but on where to invest my money and I'm so grateful. I'm sitting across the table from Tim Harris here at the Ritz Carlton in Puerto Rico and they're coaching us on what to do. It's pretty awesome, you know point we start to earn millions of dollars a year in your paying millions and taxes off. So there's some cool strategies we've come up with and I'm very grateful and I'm happy as you the podcast is a big thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you appreciating it. And so as far as the the key I find this conversation interesting and I'm wondering if you're going to go there with me. Okay? Okay. So at the heart of why besides the fact that you love doing it and you genuinely love helping people and you're really really freaking good at motivating people you age. We have a skill for that. What's at the heart of why you're working in the first place other than those things. What is it that you're seeking? What's what's the internal internal drive? I wonder Cathy would say we're definitely not going there. No, I don't know and Kathy would say but and we can ask her for sure. But for me, you know, I was very happy at Keller Williams wage level to head not like they didn't diss me. They didn't do any of those things. But one of the things I didn't have was freedom. I was a slave I had I had what most agents dream about had eighteen to twenty eight listings on the books of all times that I handpicked cherry-picked the hard clients that weren't coachable. I gave those to my six listing specialist the listings that were an hour or two thoughts away. I gave I had the listings that were geographically convenient for me to work nice pleasant people that brought me gifts when we met, you know, that word coachable. I could say you need to drop the price a hundred grand on a job. Listing they would do it. They wouldn't yell at me there. I knew the clients, you know, and so but I didn't have freedom. Cuz what that means when you when you reach nirvana in real estate, which for most agents is not listing agent and you have eighteen to twenty eight listings in your Abal ER in the community. Here's what it means, I hope you understand Nirvana and real estate it means because most people would love to do that. Right forestall times. Here's what it means. You have 18 to 28 little bosses all time. For sure. The Flyers are out of the fireworks are married for like forty time an agent tractor leaves water into my white carpet and I want to know or someone left the back door open. I'm going to sue that age and I want to I'm going to bring their brokerage down all these crazy they get really crazy. And and now some of them a lot of soldiers were raised but the ones who are crazy you thought they were nice and then their head does a full three-sixty. It is October, right? They like, oh my gosh, that person is possessed by the devil himself because when you touch their money A lot of birth Pulled their money is everything to them. And so when you're you know, there's the five big stresses debt divorce having a child moving right in their finances right job relocation. It's all money off people freak out and so I do not miss those you get them throughout the year we deal with it. That's we're tough we deal with it, but I don't miss it. And I'm free 2 years seven months no choice. Now, I build the company. I'm not retired. I still billed The Experience. I'm having the time of my life. But Freedom you hit on the head. I can do whatever we want to do now go anywhere do anything. It's pretty cool off Kathy. Could you give me a pen and paper? I'm having a fifty-year-old moment where I'm losing my thoughts. It's my fault. Totally. Yeah. Well, but so that's that I gave to in order to set this and we talked about 4 at lunch, right? So in life most times you lose your freedom when you increase your Revenue, right, right, so you have to you if you want to make more money. You have to give up something else now you can argue until you're blue in the face that if you suck Out you delegate out but that's a fallacy. That's actually a nice elegant like the exact you build a team. You might not be working directly with your customers. But you're working with the remnants of your customers. And you're working with your team. You're really just you're you're doing different things, but still taking a lot of your time. Yeah, I've never seen anything and this is really it's fascinating other than dividend paying stocks. Thank you other than dividend paying stocks and maybe you know, there's some other asset classes out there as well where you can actually increase your Revenue at the same time. You can increase your freedom and that's the thing and Dave can order pointed this out. And that's the thing I think is really truly incredible. Honestly. It's a gift from the real estate Gods as my wife would say absolutely and that's something that people don't think so you are saying something that's interesting. Do you think the reason that more people aren't like obviously tens of thousands of people are joining exp, but we run into people occasionally which have a completely walled off mindset toward that maybe they've got the brokerage. Maybe they have the franchise name. The team they have been a lot of ego and identity wrapped up in it. Do you think ultimately the reason is it's not just the fear of losing something they already have and let's say that brokerage or that, you know Alliance to that particular brand is something that gives them a sense of being but do you think it's also maybe because of they're not thinking that maybe they can handle the money. Do you think there might be something to do with the the the real not the ability to visualize themselves making more or being more than what they already are I would agree with that that they can't see it and then they hold themselves back, you know, your your greatest asset and your biggest adversary wage you get a win inside. Dr. Dennis waitley back in the eighties said that series to enter a winner and if you know went outside you got a win inside first, you gotta vote for yourself. You gotta believe in yourself. You had to be Scrappy hard-working off those things and I think deep down people can be positive or negative. They can walk into a room and brighten it up or bring Thunderbolts with them and black clouds when you walk into a room off. Are people glad to see her do they ducked for cover, you know and in Life or do you see the possibilities or do you see all the the limitations and I think the way people see life holds them back. I saw the model go I could do that. That's what I saw people see the modern when I call I can't do that. But first small pyramids are illegal and it's not obviously not a multi-billion-dollar pyramid International real estate company Alma NASDAQ. That's not the case. So rule that one out. Well, it's some sort of network marketing scheme a network marketing companies are perfectly fine. They're wonderful. They're great. We're simply not that we don't have, you know, weight loss products and vitamins and the different things that are we're not selling products goods and services like that where a real estate company and you do exp at your company, whether you'll admit it to yourself or not. You do it at your company wage because if you work at one of those Brands I named I've named a bunch of Brands today and you send someone to your company. Most companies will give you a $10 Starbucks card from the sales manager. Hey, thanks for sending Susie. Thanks for sending Bob. We love him. Here's a little thank-you note and a $10 Starbucks card. You might get lunch or dinner. Maybe they send you to a steakhouse. I remember Remax. I got woke girls. Once you've been on the instant out a little Mexico cruise for 3 days. Like I'm good if I never go again, so there's really no reward will expire simply monetize that I don't care where you work people. You know, how do you like it? And you're going to go I hate it. You're not going to say that you wouldn't be there if you hated that's great. And then they go. Hey, can I talk to your sales manager page XYZ company like sure. Yeah, but Bob and touch with the output Jenny in touch with you they get in touch. They join that company. They start selling Thirty forty fifty homes a year or Twenty homes a year that brokerage. It's paid 23 times a year you get nothing my friend and what is wrong with the company that says thank you Glenn Sanford created exp, like when agent sell homes and create Revenue them. Share back to the agency referred. Mm. They say thank you like forever. Not the first year not the second year as long as they're with the people that came here ten years ago nine years ago eight years ago and whoever thought about is still getting paid eight nine ten years later. I referred over a hundred agents to ReMax Mi twelve years and I got three $10 Starbucks cards and two week-long Cruise has the Ensenada know like the Bahamas little little hundred and $18 Cruise. That's right. And that was it and that was okay with me cuz I didn't know there was something better speeds only does that they give you stock awards and that's why I mean I have friends who have hundreds of thousands of dollars in stock. They don't even know it though. Like they didn't pay too. They're just selling real estate. I have friends who now have over a million lots of hundreds and hundreds of thousands and they didn't get into the recruiting and all that like well, I don't want to do that at my company they don't so they don't pay you if you know, they don't I go see your company. They just keep all the revenue. Yeah, they keep all the revenue and you like that song. Like that, I mean it's crazy listen to what you're saying. Right? And so there's nothing wrong with you before a productive agent is knocking down Thirty forty fifty sixty seventy miles a year that you get paid for doing that on those sales and then it adds up as time goes by and I'm telling you what we're going to take over the world and because we're one of the only brokerages that is truly Agent Owned stock and then shares revenues back to those same agents and every year we had more and more and more value and I'm committed to adding value to exp agents and we are we're growing like we're opening five countries this year and we just open South Africa. We're about to open France and Portugal and Mexico's right around the corner India India. I think India opens next week Brazil. I mean, it's just crazy what's going on any of the Grist that got to do with me? It's got everything to do with you. And if you're asking what does that got to do with you? You don't understand the model take the time to figure it out. You're literally It Off. Why was never a part of Microsoft or Apple or Google I get it you are now but you're passing on it cuz you're close minded and you think it's a pyramid or a network marketing scheme or something like that and you just don't understand it. So you still run into that people worried about the sometimes. Yeah. Yeah for sure. Once you don't come I mean so many are coming. Yeah. I mean, I have six hundred plus a month met coming to my organization. That's like two massive officers every month that take ten twenty years to build every month. I mean, that's just me not a huge be right. It's crazy happening out there and there's twenty-five million agents by best standards to earn eight countries, and we're in what time what so you just said something really? So in the United States, they're supposedly over two million two point five million licensed agents 1.4 really remembers National Association of Realtors. So exp only and I mean only with quotes has at the end of this year. Let's say we have forty-two or forty-three Thousand Years. Right in the next year. Let's say it's a hundred thousand a just thinking in terms of a hundred thousand versus the United States 2.3. And now you look at the globally it's estimated. There's twenty-five million agents and then again exp next year, lets us a hundred thousand agents. That's a long way to grow. Yeah, that's a long way to go and a lot of growth and that's the thing that people don't and you know, I'll tell you something. I've been hearing lately as I think I'm too late. What do you say to that page him too late. I think the train has already left the station with the XP. Yeah, right. I bet you people in eighteen fifty thought they were too late to make money in California. Cuz the Gold Rush was an 1849 or off or 1855. I mean, you're never too late. That's why people come here from third world countries and become millionaires because they see the opportunity. You need to start seeing the opportunity and there are people that dig in and help you. I will help you. Tim Harris will help you Shawn kokoska from Keller Williams used to be the president of maps coaching as Heretics be he will help you so many other people big stars and birth There's just a lot of help and you're going to acquire stock. You're going to get Revenue share. If you do the work you don't do anything. You're not going to get those things. I'm not going to say it's going to be super easy. You can do nothing and make all this money know the difference is once you build this baby, you can back off cuz you back off. I don't care. If you got ten homes in escrow or a hundred when you back off or the market corrects. Your income is going to fall like a rock and if you were around in 06079, you know what I'm talking about. Maybe you went to work for the banks. But if you didn't figure that out dial it in properly the banks abused you as an agent paid you as little as they could some of you figured it out made a lot of money down. You're a very small percentage everyone else suffer great. So you said to really good things there too. And one of the things that's very fascinating is a diversification of income. Everybody knows from an investment perspective. You have to have Diversified stock down that way if one sector if tech goes to the crapper and you have Pharmaceuticals, everything's going to bounce out same goes with rental properties. You don't want all the rental properties in your own backyard and Sacramento, California and your sake you wouldn't have them spread around different marketing. Because different markets during a corrective cycle have different, you know, North Carolina might be doing a heck of a lot better than Columbus Ohio, which is doing better than Miami those types of things so that you guys get the idea what I'm trying to convey to you. When a new Revenue share with the XP you have immediate built-in diversification because you're going to have agents not just in your own Market that you're sponsoring and your part is sponsoring but all over the United States and now globally wage because if you think about okay, what would cause a global recession or even the United States recession or a housing crash or something like that in your real estate business if the market crashes in your depending transactional income and that's your primary source of income you will suffer if you have a bunch of rental properties and they're not paid off and your rents go down the you now have to cover the negative, you know negative cash flow and those rentals you will suffer loss. That's the thing that Revenue share creates for you. Is it creates it's essentially another stream of income that you can build while you're selling real estate. That's what people don't understand and they wrote this down too cuz I do hear this right? Yep. Here this probably fifty percent at time. I don't want to sponsor agents or I don't want to recruit. So when you hear that, what do you tell them? It's like saying I don't want to be a listing agent. Why a lot of you get real estate most people start off with Buyers. Like how do I get listing needs to become a listing agent. And and I realize you wanted to become a listing agent. But yeah like me saying you're incapable of becoming a listing agent. Most people think that they can't do it and the truth is Henry Ford's best old fashioned ways. And he says if you think you can you probably can and if you think you can't you're probably right it's so you need to rethink your thinking. Why do you go to work off workers? I love my customers. Are you kidding me? I love my customers to but I go to work for my family. I hope you go to work for your family while I'm single. Well, I don't know why you go to work then but the rest of us most of us go to work for our families or and there. Are you raise money for causes you care about but so here's the bottom line is it drives me crazy? What is your speed do for the customer? You know what I've heard that for twenty-five years got a job. You know what, you know when I left Remax and went to Keller Williams, you know what Keller Williams did for my customers nothing. It's what I did for my customers when I brought 37 listings and ask Rose from CarMax. Duke elements covered in new bill from my clients, even though I think they're a great company loved them. You know what Remax did for my clients at Remax and twelve years? So I became the number one in in transaction count in California, which is a great state to be the top dog and number of sales and number eleven worldwide and volume in in all that, you know, what remix it for my customers nothing. There was a logo it was a name and it is you I don't know what your I guess some companies do some marketing. I never saw it at Remax band never saw it. So never saw it at Keller Williams, they give you some stuff but it was what you do for your clients at whatever company you're off you go to be so stop asking. What is your experience? You know what they're going to get the same great service. You currently give all my service is terrible when you ought to work on your service, but it's it's what speeds going to do for your family home? Your family's my kids and my kids my grandchildren. I'm telling you Coldwell Bankers was a hundred years ago and their grandchildren's grandchildren are benefiting today because they built a company and most of you just sell like chickens at Foster Farm laying eggs on a conveyor belt. No, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I don't care if you have seven escrows or Twenty One S gross or a hundred twenty one ad shows a month. You are laying eggs, baby. You are just pumping out your like a dairy cow dairy farm quit getting milk. I'm not even joking Bill serving allergies illness salesperson know. I'm the way home Ohio a sales rep or the one who Sacramento. Yeah. I've never I should have the firm analogy. Yeah, you're taking all the good news. I love it. Okay, keep going. Well, so you're actually touching again another great Point obviously and this is a conversation I had yesterday the day before was somebody was a brokerage or a team and he said I noticed the EXP doesn't do these were hairs words. I'm just summarizing a lot of consumer-facing branding and marketing and advertising with that some of the other brands dog. I said do you see how that's a benefit to you? And he goes well kinda sorta I said because exp is not trying to dominate your local brand. It's you know to be Brent Gove, you know, real estate team or whatever brokered XP and and that's something that people that is right there. I think such an incredibly powerful differentiator is they want you to be the consumer-facing brand they don't want to dominate your brand or tell you may make yourself that right. That is something that's truly special as fascinating to me because other franchises in particular if you there so particular about how if your Marketing in your signage looks and if you be more dominant in any way years are going to start getting pushed back from the franchisor and the holder and the other region and all that because you're working for this company where it's XP, you know, it's a difference between the old question as you age. You know, what are you paying your broker or the new question is? What are your what is your broker paying you that's the essence of it and who the brand is and that's something that's really that people need to remember because that keeps you off. That gets you closer to freedom and not farther away. If you have to compete with your local brand for brand recognition or they're telling you how your marketing and advertising strength is supposed to look obviously they're doing it for the betterment of them is not the betterment of you and that's another little bit of Genius of many amazing things that Glenn bought up when he was putting this idea together, you know, and I like what you said also about the fact that every brokerage wage now does have revenue-sharing or profit-sharing dangerous not sharing with the agents, right? I mean if you think about it, there's an agent and then there's the office manager and then there's the office whoever owns the franchise let's say and whoever owns those needs and then whoever's above that all the way up to the corporate guys all those people when you do a transaction you're in voluntarily participating in Revenue share exactly, but you're just not getting any of its going to the boss is not going to you and can you describe the difference between revenue share and profit share. This is something again. I hear people using those interchangeably and they literally could not be any different. Yeah. We copied Keller Williams seven generation profit off. Our system and profit is what's left over after all your expenses revenues. The big number profit is a little number if there is any so when you get half of the the prophet and there could be known or very little little Revenue shares a mathematical number we can calculate and it's a big number. I remember my first revenue-share check for ten days was $19,000. That's pretty good my first 30 days it was five thousand sixty thousand a year. That's pretty good the next month my second 30 days at exp 2 and 1/2 months and it was ten thousand a month hundred fifty thousand a year. That's pretty good. So revenue-share is amazing, but I want to tell you this two things number one. Everybody's just working working working in retire. Someday go live here someday do this month. There was a couple I got a call last night right, honey. Remember that call last night. He called me honey. And this is so weird. Yeah talking to my wife Kathy. Her nickname is Pebbles so she's over there so Cathy's over there. So yep. That's our affectionate name for her. Okay, maybe he's Pebbles. What are you? I don't know. I'm Fred. I'm Fred if I was they asked me I did some interview me some magazine. They go if you were a movie star, who would you be calm about I go Fred Flintstone. I'm Fred from it's me. I'm Barefoot right now, by the way. Okay. So here's the deal. Here's the deal got a call last night and sweet calm not going to say their names. Everybody loved them and Keller Williams talked them out of the EXP. They stayed at Keller Williams and they've they're respected probably thirty years in the industry. Everybody loves this couple and they didn't come and plus trust me when I left Remax. They told me Kelly Ryan's would destroy my career. I prospered it did well and personally loved Remax, but I liked Kelly Williams even better off so a it didn't destroy my career, but they're losing their their one of their star players to the competing team, right? Same thing when I left Keller waves. They said XP would destroy my career and I went ahead and went their job. Okay, six months from now. I hate it doesn't work. How much have I invested $149 bucks K Capital risk. Nothing. The application fee is $149 becoming the XP agent and I go and I don't like it should switch back to Keller Williams and I told him that if you're right, I will be back in six months six months later. My revenue-share was like twenty eight thousand a month every month after 13 months. It was fifty thousand a month and then four months later after Seventeen months that's over a hundred thousand a month. I was shocked. Maybe you're shocked if it's one point two million a year and it's way way way way way way more than we pay double that in taxes. And so it is unbelievable, but I didn't listen to people who cared about me and were sincere. I weighed the risk. She cleaned the risk. It was my ego was not a capitalist. It was me taking my hat my cap into my hand walking back to Keller Williams ago. You were right. I was wrong and go what sort they're going to have big belly laugh. Haha. You're so off. Naive you're so gullible golf you're so you get suckered into that exp thing and and I went and is that it is that the worst that can happen? They have a good laugh and then they take me back at 100% 4 a.m. Because I might be going to ReMax. They give me a free office I go doesn't sound so bad. I'm going to try exp and worse case I go back. I'm just a guy who's okay with failure and that's why I've succeeded wildly. It's because I'm willing to try stuff and it wouldn't plays it safe place to save save face protect the precious ego. And so I tell you what, it worked at. So this couple back this couple. I got a call last night, but she wasn't feeling well and as what I heard from another fellow agent at Keller Williams and they go we need to retire and they retired they sold their own. They bought one I think in North Carolina, I think that's where they actually bought their home page just bought a home in North Carolina and she passed away last night before they even got out of town worked their whole life and then died and it's super tragic. I'm not going to say their names but you know, and and we're praying for them. And husband and and it's like now what chapter two. He's alone. Don't work your whole life. Do not listen to people who think they there's so in bed with the brokerage. They own franchise to be the own parts of the region. They are not going to let themselves see this opportunity. Like there were people who owned twenty or Thirty Blockbuster franchises. They wouldn't let themselves see the power of Netflix the CEO of Blockbuster goes now, this'll never fly people love getting Hot Tamales and popcorn and all the junk they buy before they check out. It's a joke. Don't worry about Netflix. Well how bad turnout them travel agents that said people will never order their cruises online. They like to come in and get our brochures which I used to love go get brochures from trades. If you're in a bad mood go to a travel agent and get some brochures of Paris or just need you to put you in a good mood. Guess what how many of you go to your travel agent to get airfare hotel rental car a cruise. None of us do life is changing. And so that's what I think people just get so long Close my so tunnel-visioned decides how funny we're recording to send my beautiful sweet and we've had the people no one ever knocks on the door Grand Central Station here knocked on the door Thursday. It's crazy. Anyways, go ahead. Go ahead. Well, so Julie last week, we did a three podcasts in a row and it was basically the faces of Mastery, which I know you're familiar with it goes unconsciously. I was just curious is all these memorize because unconscious incompetence conscious incompetence and that's what you're describing and there's two levels of three levels really above that. So the first level is where you're basically ignorant, you don't know what it's like when you get into real estate you get your license. You don't know what you don't know and that's when you're most susceptible of basically taking really, you know, heinous advice from people that are not having your best interest in mind then you have let's just your list off. All right, so you don't know what you don't know you have you're butt handed to you a few times in a listing appointment you realize that you're not, you know, you're not competitive you move past your own excuses as to why you failed to take that listing right the normal agents name. Well, they overpriced or somehow. They had a social connection. You didn't take the listing because the seller thought the other person was better than you you lost in competition. It's really that simple and then you moved to when you allow yourself to suffer that loss was to have to experience and suffer the losses fast so that you don't have to drag it out for decades. Yes. Then you write I always said say when people are saying over with or what like, you know, exchange rates as much hardship as fast as you can and realize you didn't die and do it as quick as you can. Well then this phase after that is conscious incompetence and that's where you realize that you are. You know, your thoughts are that you're not good at certain things and maybe a lot of things and what you're describing is your willingness to put yourself in a position of being essentially feeling ignorant again feeling dumbass. You put yourself back in a position of a new agent, you know, almost four years ago, you put yourself back in the position where you had to become a recruiter where you had to learn about exp, you had to learn how to work in all the things you had to learn to basically get to where you are today. That right. There is an 8in you and it's goes to your unwillingness to basically stay complacent. Whereas what most people do and I'm summarizing My Own Tim brain. What you said is they want to put themselves in a dog cage where everything's predictable and everything's the same they never wanted to change and they don't want anything outside of that. Even if it's for their own betterment to inflict any kind of anything that would make them uncomfortable and and then decades go by and you don't retire in real estate and that's what's kind of scary and sad at the same time. I'm so so your willingness to make yourself uncomfortable and that's something I've often experienced. My that was an issue. I went through truthfully when I got involved in the XP. I said, I want to see if I still have my sales hoods button and sponsored over 40 people my first month, you know, I went down to see if I took me eight months to do that. Well, I wanted to see if I could still do it. Right and and and that was something that was a personal challenge you could save and it was an ego challenge, but also the reason is this cuz you know, we wanted a dog Really big group inside exp. And I want everyone that came after us to know that we weren't just blah blah blah that we actually were forward-deployed locked in and able to do the actual work and I think you know, that's what people went off but I really wanted to show them I wasn't complacent beautiful even though financially we could easily be that we weren't and that's I think yeah. I know your story. He's not kidding there and that's the reason I think ultimately that's what's exciting idea because if you're ready for a rebirth, right, we all have to go through reverse. Usually it's involuntarily. Yeah, but if we if you know, if you're ready for a rebirth at whatever age, you really gotta look awful because it's going to give you what you've often mentally always sought which is freedom. I mean, that's the reason people people going originally get into business for Freedom. They get in business cuz they, you know want to have they don't have a boss or they you know, when I pay for a trip to Disney World or buy a couch, but after a while you realize that really what your heart wants and your soul wants us a sense of Freedom where you no longer have to worry about money. It's very very difficult to do that in real estate a sponge. We're selling real estate does not make you rich it's what you do with the profits from selling real estate. And the most the reason that most Brokers and agents ever become rich is because they don't have enough profits to be reinvested that money. That is the bottom line. But you realize what Glenn has done and exp by creating multiple streams of income. We've been talking forever about Revenue share, you know, there's some people out there. I don't want to hear about Revenue sharing fine, you know, so if someone joins Brent gives em ization and they don't want to talk about Revenue share. I'm sure Brent and Kathy will happily unburdened them and take the revenue share for them. They can just read it out. Some wiry will don't do that. Let me have you hit off joke. I know I know. I know. Let me hit on something earlier. He said well why people said well, I don't want to recruit. I don't want to recruit. Here's what recruiting is. I went up against on a listing appointment. I didn't ask enough questions didn't I didn't get the listing and I was shocked cuz I usually get the listing and this this happened like eight years ago, but this point I would go on listening and pretty much get the listing and I didn't get it. I'm like hm. I got a little I just thought And asked by the way, you interviewing anyone else said turned out they go like I said, hey just so I could learn you know, what did the other agent do that? I didn't do cuz that's how I provide for my family. Obviously you had more faith in them. Can you just tell me so I could learn so I could do a better job in the future. They go. Yeah, we will we actually interviewed five different agents and five different companies because they were doing their homework, but the agent we went with them I go if it makes you feel better bet you are a number to pick it's like your wife saying you're my second choice to marry. Well, that's no good. If your dream girl married some other dude, okay, so I like I can what what he did they go honestly you were very good, but he just wanted it worse. He was so excited. He goes you give me this listing I will I will you say jumped three feet. I'll jump five he was so excited to have this listing you just give me a chance. I will outwork out hustle. I'm the guy nobody will work harder to sell your listing to me you give me a chance to man the Coldwell Banker people came in a suit and tie with the briefing. No matter laptop and then the the century Twenty-One agent and this really fancy CMA and and you came you didn't have much of anything but you were you were convincing but he he was like next level off. The reason we chose him is we just believe that he really would work harder and hustle and do more and fight harder to represent us and we listed with him. So guess what next listing point when I went on a nice list would give my right arm to have this listing you'd say JUMP five feet. I'll jump 6 I will outwork out-hustle do anything. Well, that's not my personality fine. Enjoy listening to homes a year or a month or wage. So you said something that's awesome. I copied him flat copied him and garlic the next Thirty listings in a row, which I know I got listening. I wanted gotten but go ahead. Oh, we're going to start talking real estate stuff my brains going to go into Coachella. Yeah. In fact, they come out of that. I'll go ahead and do it. Well, so I mean you just said it right if you you don't if you have energy enthusiasm naturally, you're blessed. Okay for sure not everybody does but you can also learn To show that you have energy and enthusiasm you can show emotion and you can learn to essentially appeal to sellers that are looking for that energy and enthusiasm cuz ultimately guys what are the same different Raiders between somebody that's successful in any facet of life is their ability to make somebody feel a certain way. That's when it Brent superpowers right? When you talk to Brent go for you listen to him present. He makes you feel a certain way that if you think about actors doctors, do you think about anybody successful in life? It's because they make you feel a certain way. Maybe it's confidence. Maybe it's aspirational. Maybe it's whatever it is your make and when you were talking that listing appointment you were making them feel excited. You were making them feel motivated. You were making them feel and it's like why is it that you know, Tom Cruise gets paid off, you know forty million dollars per movie and if I were to make a movie they give me $4, right? It's because Tom Cruise makes them feel a certain way, right? It's that emotional connection to people that if you age, Have skills developed that emotional connection and no better proof frankly. And I think this is true. Then my wife and I are first year in the business. We sold a hundred and four houses and we sure as hell didn't know what we're doing. Wow, that's nice. Well, I mean you're excited though. You're just don't lie. Well, we're at energy enthusiasm, right? Yep. So it energy enthusiasm is the first number one thing and I think I know why you looped into that because you're saying even if you don't know how to log crude or sponsor agent, correct, if your energy and enthusiasm that will actually bring them into the end zone. You said a bow on it. That's it. So here's the deal. It's quit saying I don't want to recruit anyone if she go to Italian food restaurant a steak and seafood restaurant or we just went to this place on the beach here in Puerto Rico overlooked in the Caribbean and we had Lobster you pick it out 2 and 1/2 pound. They Grill it on the grill and it sucks. They put it in garlic and but it was amazing melt. It was like the best experience I've ever had in my life that's recruiting. It's when you can be excited about so excited about Keller Williams or Coldwell Banker or birth I have to wait or exp. I think well, why would I do that at Berkshire Hathaway or Remax or something? Because I agree you're really not getting paid to do that. But it exp. And I did it anyways, cuz I love those companies but it took our get paid like crazy. So you're don't think of the word recruiting just be excited about what you're doing when people ask you about it. And guess what people think we'll all you did was recruit Brent. Are you kidding? I want a listing appointments every day. Sometimes two-a-day. All they did was going dumb listing Apartments, which was my oh I wanted to do was to go on, you know list and get a bunch of time of listings and then you know you achieve that and you realize you have 18 to 20 G little bosses at all times and that can be fun and it cannot be fun. Usually not fun. But here's the deal once I figured it out it was game over and so same thing just be excited. You'll sponsor people but I want to I want to give you one success principle. Most people say open houses. Oh my gosh. I was out there from 1 to 4. I broke a heel I someone honked their horn in me. They ran over my side and some teenagers phone number. My open house signs is that they're from noon to 4. It was exhausting. I would get out there at open houses at 10 and work till 6. And sometimes if I had bills to pay I get up there at 9 and work till 9 at night in a 12-hour. Well, that seems a bit extreme. I don't know if you got bills to pay get off your and go do something and go fight for your family you need I would do it Saturday and Sunday 9 to 9 Saturday 9 to 9 Sunday. I worked hard on the weekends. I was a weekend warrior, but guess what? I got really good at converting people to open houses. I got so good that I would actually I remember this one open house. I didn't a rainy blinding rainstorm Ida bungee cord the signs the trees and poles cuz they would blow away and I had to bring a change of clothes and a towel cuz I got soaking wet. I thirty seven guests come to the door and three and a half hours. I convinced them every one of them to give me their social security numbers. Now how many agents get Social Security numbers open houses? I did I out of those thirty-seven people who said yep. Run my credit like what you say that's a whole another podcast but the point is excited. So many I've learned what to say. Nobody taught me how to do it I learned to do cuz I did so much of it. You're you're saying something. I think that Iraq is such a critical point you were telling you're saying that you did not wait to get into action until you'd mastered something you got into action learned along the way progress before Perfection. Yeah, but that right there. I mean in the coaching that right there is the whole ball money. It's money well for sure but bought on but I mean money, I mean it's spot-on but most people if I look at all of our tens of thousands of coaching clients who had forever, right and I look at what which ones were like when I talked to somebody you get this innate you get to I'm sure you get this in a sort of intuitive feel sometimes you're wrong, but usually you're right and the difference between the person that's really going to do something and the person that's not is the person it's not it's going to spend years getting ready to get started and and the couple you were talking about. I don't know who they are and I don't want to know who they are. But I bet you in a lot of their ways they perfected real estate. They got really good at that and they said, Stop trying they they just wanted to stay in their golden cage and maybe they got to the point where you know, it was just as as you know, comfortable as it needed to be and they weren't willing to make themselves uncomfortable and then essentially literally life goes wrong. You just you don't have enough time and maybe you you know, that's the unfortunate truth guys, but it's sad the whole life till they died down some people go to live five ten fifteen years past that or Twenty. But yeah, that's what you really do with your life. See these don't you want to be a history-maker? June twenty something great with your life, but it come does not come without risk. These are depressing thoughts you have when you're in your fifties, right? Yeah, we got none off. I've tried so many things. I failed it so much more than have succeeded at but because I'm willing to fail I've succeeded greatly and I will tell you this of this thirty seven people nineteen of them got approved. I picked up nineteen admires the next day. I didn't pay a dime for them know pay-per-click. I'd met everyone shook their hands looked him in the eye and I called them back. It's a congratulations Tim Harris. You're approved to buy a home for 400,000. Let's go off. Dropping into the nineteen times the next day that is how you start setting goals to sell 30 homes in 30 days. Not 30 homes in a year or are you getting me quit playing life? So small I you playing it's such a small level does not serve Humanity. They're Our Lives you could change we have an Excel spreadsheet of the Charities we give too cuz we can't keep track of it and we care about a lot that we give and give and give and and and you know, it's crazy to give I mean we're talking big numbers because we've been playing big We Takin we don't necessarily risk money. Although that's a part of it for sure, But risk your ego your ego is keeping you broke and be willing to go out there and try to feel worse things. Sometimes a good laugh and go back. What's the harm in that and I tell you what Tim and I will fight for you age. There's so many people that will help you and I'm just I'm too far. But I became great at open houses because I I did so much and I'm going to put might have to do them any more short-term pain long. Term gain. Well, so you're looping into two things. I wrote down but you just actually Jerry Seinfeld. I just was listening to him yesterday and a podcast. He said something really funny. He said if you want to improve now, he's a comedian right? So he said if you wash this is I never heard of him his his advice to other comedians. He said if you want to make the world better write better jokes, you know, I mean if you think about what he's trying to say, he's saying stay myopic and if you are a real professional if you're you know, whatever it is, you're doing just get really really good at what you're doing. I thought that was a kind of an interesting tie-in. Absolutely. Yeah, and so here's an interesting thing about I think the whole motivation a thing cuz I think people will say you're a motivated guy you're you know, those are qualities and characteristics. I think are part of the brand go of USP agreed. Sure. Yeah. Okay. So were you always like them or did you have to develop that or did you just basically have to ask Kathy cuz she'll probably give me a clear answer. But how where is that? I was so bad at open houses when I started that I wrote him off for years. I was so bad at listings and didn't like working with silver side wrote him off for years. People would call me say hey, would you come lists my home? I say you're in the pocket rights particular. And so, yeah, go sent you $20 real active out there. I wouldn't even take a long time to refer my go call Century 21 the list your home. So I I was not I was when I started in sales at nineteen, I used to shake people used to put their hand on my shoulder and say it's okay. It's okay, Listen to you. What do you got to say just take a breath. It's okay. So I play I'm set a bad word. I powered through it. I freaking powered through it. I don't know why but I did and no I was not like this I learned to be and I don't know if this is a good thing, but just the way I am today and and I'm loving people I'm making a difference in money is a byproduct of playing life big and and it just comes the more value-add you are paid in direct proportion an amount of value. You bring the market at a semi if you don't like what you're getting paid you my friend off. I'm bringing a value. So rethink what you're doing and get over it. If you're a door knocker quick door-knocking. I do two hours a day to start doing it for eight ten hours a day get good fast walk over with you can't golf once a month and get good at golf. You can't get shoot three throws once a month and get good at free throws do it again and again and again and a lot of it you get good good a coach hire a coach or care what you're doing and get on with you can do great amazing things in your life. But if you listen to your friends, you can't do nothing if you listen to your relatives, you need to get a job. You know, what books are you reading? I'm I'm preaching the choir you guys took the Tim and Julie Harris podcast the most successful real estate podcast in America. I'm preaching the choir good for you. But go to the next step go to a Tony Robbins event. Go to a Grant Cardone Evette get to a Francis Chan or Lance wall now or a John Maxwell event and go and learn and and pay for coaching. I remember it Craig Proctor Twenty-One years ago Sat by a guy I was dead. Years in the business and he guy crosses arms his legs in his eyes. He goes. I'm not doing the sky just wants my money just wants me to sign up for coaching and he didn't sign up for coaching. I I go I don't know. It seems pretty good. I'm going to give it a shot off and went signed for up for coaching five years later. I went from selling forty homes a year 2/400 cuz I'm a sucker willing to try things. I was willing to pay for coaching. I put not on a coaching program worked. I'm not saying it's going to work not everything. I I tried TV I flopped but I was trying this trend that Trend this turn that found out what worked and that's my message to you. Try more often than you're trying hustle do more outwork your competition and have balance to taken my wife out every Wednesday and Saturday night for like twenty nine years. We've been married. I touched soccer in Little League. I have balance when you work work and with time to play play don't mix the two. So the word balance is kind of BS though. Is it not because how can you ever have balance when you're young? Slave when your kids were younger and you can were having to work more and I mean you you work all day you come home and work all night, but I think you should decide when you're going to work when you're not going to work either. Sure. That's what you meant. That's what I mean. There's a lot of people that make themselves mentally unstable. Basically, I guess they're trying to literally have a proportional amount of everything right. This is for this this is for this you can't really give an example. I've golfed every Friday for two decades every Friday morning for twenty years. I don't miss I go in the rain I go in the sun I go when it's hot I go to school to go where it's perfect in the spring and the fall I don't miss that's balance is like people say come with my five million dollar Ranch House a commitment. I'm free at 2 cuz you know, I'm a go chase a little white ball around that priorities have balance and priorities same thing Saturday night taking my wife to dinner in the movies Taco Bell on the movies. If you're a sweat, I'm not going to go check it out listing appointment, right? Sure. I understand. That's what I mean. If you are be realistic here listeners, if you're in a point in your life where you have to earn money and you don't you're basically facing down the financial future. That's not that dog. Bleak you better be willing to be you know, in out of balance to focus on your finances and a different point in your life. You're going to focus on different things. And as you become more financially well-off, then you can actually start focusing on maybe all wage categories of life. Right? So people talk about balance and I don't want you to be confused by what you saying cuz he said it twice is that don't be one of these people that makes yourself feel like you're less than other people who claim to have some sort of Perfect Harmony of life. It doesn't really exist at different phases or seasons in your life your focus on different things. Yeah. I mean that's that's really the bottom line. And if you need to buy groceries go work fifteen hours a day, that's a rarity of losing your being kicked out of your rental property or your home and foreclosure go work eighteen hours a day suck it up put up your big boy pants your big-girl pants and go do what mama needs to do what Daddy needs to go kill something drag it home to the family and feed them do what it takes. That's right. I'm like way too mellow here. I'm I'm like suddenly like candy coat was trying to show the world of different side of you sir. It's my third cup of coffee. Stick it in for Champion. I hate to think with each of these cups of coffee or costing here at the Ritz-Carlton, but you're paying for is your room. So I'm okay. So you here's another thing that you said was just actually took a chapter 4 in our book is you in essence said do what you don't want if you want long-term ever-increasing levels of success in your life learn to master the art of doing what you don't want to do when you don't want to do it at the highest level a bath and sometimes it takes external pressures of you know, financial hardship to get you to do that. But the there's a huge mental Chasm that a lot of people Russell with needless loss or they feel like they could only be successful when they feel a certain way. They could only do what they don't want to do when they feel passion. They I remember prospecting even held I do things nowadays even that I don't want to do wage. I don't want to do them and I have to do it the highest level. I mean, I know I used to like doing coaching calls. Sometimes it feels I'm asking myself why the hell am I doing it, you know, but I know once I'm doing the coaching call that feeling set aside and focused on that coaching job. And and I'm trying to deliver the most value I can for them to help them and the same thing goes with every aspect of your life. It's not always about I'm not going to even ask Brent this question cuz I'm fearful of this. Yes, sir, But the truth is is that your financial success rarely follows doing what you're passionate about that is another one of the great elegant lines of the 21st century be passionate about what comes from the results off doing whatever it is that you're doing provide service to other people don't conflate those two. You don't have to be passionate about selling real estate to be incredibly successful at selling real estate matter of fact, if you start out being passionate about real estate, it doesn't take too long to get kicked in the head too many times before all of a sudden your passions if waned so develop passions for what you do at the profit that comes from selling real estate. Very good. Very good. I loved and some of the out there you're like, I don't know if I could be like Tim Harris. I don't know if I'd be like you're missing the point be like you you don't have to be like Timber me bu be authentically you people love often. Yep. City and let me tell you why you can make it and you can be successful to whatever degree you want to be. It's called this Tim. Have you ever heard the saying it's trite or whatever but do you know what the biggest room in the world is Jacob biggest is at the Taj Mahal the Reagan Library. What's the Carnegie Hall? What's the biggest room in the world? Have you ever heard this one? Probably it's a mindset question. So I think you're going to say something like your mileage or something. You know, he's my spiritual. So here it is here. That's the biggest room in the world and it's so true is the room for improvement. I love that was not true. I mean who took a few are stuck being you you're just like yeah, I can't get any better on the World's Greatest Dad. I'm the I'm the weirdest greatest salesman like argh Mandy. No, no my friend. You can improve you can have a different future, You could go I don't care anymore. I don't care who tells me know on door-knocking. I don't care who tells me know when I called the expires you're going to do it and do it and do it you're going to do Massive Action create amazing results. You're going down. A great life. It's so man. You gotta get down to this man. Most people are living to die. You gotta be dying to live Martin Luther King said, I have a dream Kennedy said, you know ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country Eleanor Roosevelt Abraham Lincoln putting an end the Emancipation Proclamation do something great with your life man. Don't live a life of quiet desperation. Come on. Whip your Shut Up and Scream do something great. Now I know I'm kind of fired up on caffeine here, but I mean every word of this and just get it over with if you sucked and start sucking some more and get it done and you'll suck a little bit less little less prison. You're you're not too bad and the more you do I'll send you or your great people will call you crazy. Then they will call you for advice. There was a time. Nobody would call you for financial advice in your life. Right you grew up in Columbus, Ohio. You didn't have much right? Sure. Yep. Play my wife from I looked at him for advice on where to invest and we need to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars a month and Jim's our coach and we have other Wealth Advisors to but we believe we trust how long they will call you crazy, and then they'll call you for advice. But you my friend have to pay the price and that's doing it and doing it and doing it to you get good schedule in that family time. Do not at the expense of your family. Don't do that. Yeah, definitely and if you're younger and you're broke and you have a young family and you know, you have to basically maybe sacrifice a little bit of family time. Here's a little coaching tip go to them. Your kids are old enough and say, you know, Mommy or Daddy has to basically be working along extra hours to accomplish specific financial goals and after daddy or Mommy whoever the agent is, you know has done this many transactions and crafts of thermometer and put it on your wall. And every time you do a deal, you know, the family gets to color in it's like the old Jerry Lewis Telethon, right? And what's the what's the thermometer colored in at the top right Disney World? So if you want to know about Relational tell you what, it is having a bunch of little Rugrats riding your ass as to why you didn't have a you haven't colored in your thermometer in a while, but that's a way to tie in your family goals and you can just that's the time you want to go to the Grand Canyon. You want to go to Disney World too. Seriously. I love it. That's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. So in people often times is a great book called profits aren't everything that the only thing but what people will often do men more than women truthful. It's the only used I have to volunteer here. I have to do this thing. I have to use that thing as an excuse not to do what they don't really what they should be doing, which is taken care of women as well. But I'm just saying men women very rarely found I found are often as good if not better coaching clients and then then because they're rarely confused about the fact that they have to provide for them. You know, they're more they're more tied to finances of seems than a lot of men are men are mostly men are driven by different things and women are the easiest way for me to say generally speaking not trying to be politically incorrect here just general wage. Making some hopeful Universal truths here. And so when you're when you're talking to a when I'm coaching somebody and running into a guy and he says, well, you know what Tim I would have done that I would have, you know made those calls. So I would have done what I did not do when did you want to do at the high school? But I had to volunteer volunteer more at the you know, whatever I had to do more of this more the other thing. So you're rationalizing, you know, spending time doing the things that you want to do as an excuse not to do the things you're supposed to do and it was what Brent said earlier your job. Number one is to take care of your family. Take care of Meet the obligations in the commitments that you've made and if that means that you never do a church activity or never play softball or t-ball because you're too busy focused on earning Financial Security for your family. That's what you're supposed to do. What do you think about that? I agree? It's cold man up woman up. You have a right angle. Don't do that. They rationalize nowadays being lazy and I see that happening all the time real estate agents of the classic right? I have to have balance, so I'm not going to pick up the phone. I'm not going to actually do what makes you happy. Uncomfortable because I have to go and you know coach Sally and soccer. Well, trust me when I tell you Sally appreciate you being there but Sally is going to appreciate you a hell of a lot more. You know, when you take her to Disneyworld off when you have more financial security or when our college is paid for or when Christmas rolls around this presents under the tree right isn't that the job of a parent is job number one is to make the path for your children easier. Yeah off and yet people fight with that adults fight with that. They're not there's no connectedness to that sense of responsibility. I'm a big guy about living by my calendar. I live by my calendar what it says on my name is scheduled to vacations for the whole year. I know what I'm doing every single day of 2021. I've already sat down and mapped it up. I could tell you my vacations. I know what I'm going to do. And so you got it. You got to have a place if you failed the plan. You plan to fail by definition. Here's one for you want to change your life? It's the old acronym and I know you know this one to be hag right big right, you know, do you know what that is? Good. It's the big hairy audacious. Yep. Cool when I got mad and I was a Remax agent, I had a bunch of deals for the escrow and I'd been my fourth year in real estate. By the way that you were made $393,000 but it's a month of June every girl had either cancelled or fell out because of the mortgage or the buyer got cold feet or the home inspection went bad and deal after deal after deal fell to Escrow and I'm facing summer as a sole income provider with nothing in escrow and I just paid off my credit cards and it's a sick feeling because you got your wife likes you and goes what's closing next to your buddy have an escrow and you're like well nothing honey. And if it takes you two or three weeks to put something in escrow and 30 to 45 days. God forbid to close it. You're going July and August all summer without income which really sucks. Then you gotta ask your brother or your mama. Mommy and daddy for some cash to buy groceries. I got pissed. I'm just going to save or not it gave linegar the billionaire owner of Remax not in Gary Keller nodded anybody my sales manager not at my wife our kids, but it me, I'm like forget this. I'm better than this song. And I was at that point I'd kind of mastered open houses and I was out there doing it. I had lots of clients I said that does it I asked I said honey. Can I just go for it in July? Can I like can unleash me for like 30 days like just Dad needs to go kill stuff and drag it home to mama. Not that we're going to kill our clients. I love my clients, but you get the the attitude check it out early. So I set a goal to sell 30 homes and 30 days that one goal. It'll like how you going to do that. I didn't know either but by setting the goal and created a sense of urgency where I'd bounce out of bed at six thirty in a cold sweat, cuz today I got a show property do something with writing off or put so many escrow today now will this weekend? Hopefully, I'll show some property. Hopefully, I'll go on a listing appointment in the next week or two couple listing appointments. Oh my God, where's your sense of urgency? Where's you? I mean, I was desperate not a needy way, but in a healthy way where you just desperate to not want to be in a position where you're borrowing money from your relatives or charging up your credit card wage. You just like I'm better than this. And so guess what that gold changed my life that month. I sold. I didn't hit the goal. I sold 14 Helms. My record part of the month was seven and escrow and I thought that was amazing to be so proud of that and I usually do three or four in escrow. Seven that month. I did fourteen. I didn't hit the go. I didn't even get halfway there. Only fourteen homes in a month was the first time I made a basically a hundred thousand a month is the first time I realized you know, what I could pretty much do what I want to do here and and then be selling seven homes a month was like a cakewalk cuz it's like you stretch your comfort zone out there larger and larger and you became easy. I changed that month and I'm telling you the next 30 days could change your life. If you said if you're a door knocker you call an expired you do open houses. You're you're buying buffini your Joe stopped by of whatever's you do set some crazy insane goal and go for it. You will never be the same and you will get what I call the Big Mo Everything You Touch turns off. Do you get momentum? You know what? It's like to close a home every other day for an entire month. I'm telling you what it'll change your life. Are you start believing in you? Not that you're God's gift to humanity. But you're like God gave me a gift of a share that with humanity and I'm going to love people. I'm going to show up big-time going to be a light in a dark. He'll a city on a hill a lamp on a stand. I'm going to be a light and the Darkness. I'm going to bring hope in love and when I enter a room, I'm going to bring energy and smiles and love and they're going to be excited to see me instead of coming in at thunder clouds and lightning bolts like oh cry Brent's here again. I'm going to come too long to gifts and you get your mindset right? Like Tony Roman talks about and you you get it going like Zig Ziglar and Dennis waitley talks about baby. Look out and the only person holding you back you you take full responsibility for your life. So I'm like the agent whisper. So I just wrote down I think are encapsulated what you said? Okay, correct me if any of these are wrong, I like that last point you made cuz it's really it is really truly the dog. My if you want to be successful, you just the action leads to the motivation, right? So if you take the action you learn along the way and you said something else you said this several times that's really an incredibly important thing. It's actually something I read recently in a book written by a Navy Seals, right? So when Navy Seals are forward deployed and they're down range they're doing their thing and they're in this one and this book I remember which book it was but they were talking about walking in this horribly cold, you know, they couldn't see ahead of them. They weren't even sure where they're going to put their necks foot you next step and they said what they focus on there and this is how they're trained to think. They don't think outside of their three foot world, right? So the world's tiny, right? They're only focusing on what's immediately in front of them around them behind them. They're not worried about anything that's beyond that and so that goes back to the get into action in the motivation will follow them is a fallacy and I think it's all from the mindset movement personally, but there's a fallacy that you have to work on your mindset before you get into action which results in people constantly saying I can't do it because I have to work in my my boss. I have to perfect my dream board. I have to work on my passion. I have to find my Big Y find those things along the way and by the way, the whatever you come what come up with as far as your whatever your motivation is. Just whatever you think it is before you get started on your journey. It's not going to be the same thing after you've taken a few steps cuz things are going to change the environments going to change. Everything's going to look different to you feel different to you. So stop looking to feel a certain way just get into action on your feelings will follow which you do intuitively. That's what you do naturally. Have you found that to be a common element among successful people absolutely fell forward. It's just a way of saying well recipe for Perfection, right execution trumps strategy all day long illness get going. You'll figure out your little better little better pretty soon. You are you're likely you're on fire took it done with the listing appointment. You just it was like it was like the waltz everything when is it was like man. I wish someone could have videotaped that that was money. It was spot-on and then becomes fun and easy. And and that's a pretty wonderful spot in life. So this goes to a couple of interesting thoughts. So someone's listening their their vitamins what we're set what we're saying, but they're saying well, okay. What the hell am I supposed to do and this is where coaching enters in there. This is where well, let's just think you want to Loop it back to revenue share. Sure. Okay. This is where choosing your Mentor matters cuz if you choose a mentor that's not the type of person that you were hoping to be if you have it's essentially the it's now look you can look in exp. They show you how to go about, you know, if branches in your Mentor, you know, maybe he's in your in your, you know, your revenues or family great. He's one year partners and you can move up and you can find him and you can ask him a question. But the reality of it is is that who you choose as your Mentor matters the same as who you choose of your coach matters the same as dog choose to listen to matters because time is too precious. It passes by two quick and if you align with people that are not the person that you want to be you're going to lose years if not decades and here's the dog All penis that is in my opinion A lot of times especially when Julie and I do for a living we see people get real estate licenses and they latch on to really what amount to fluff as far as lead generation must like or they're told you got a form a team or their you're you're being told all these things and there's places maybe for all those things but they're never told the truth. Like hopefully I think the listeners will agree we're talking about now or never we've been wrong. Well, that's true. They're never told to do it. They don't they're never told that so you have to feel uncomfortable. Like when we're Julian are in front of a group depending on the group. I always like to say if you're not hearing the word know at least five times a day not from your spouse, your dog's your kids cuz I hear know at least ten times a day from all three of those sources. Oh got you, right but if you're not hearing know from some right you call your dog get off. He looks he's goes the other direction. Yeah exactly Maximus actually, but he totally oh look at you know go the other way, right? So that's a no from a dog, right? So, but if you're not putting yourself in a position to hear know at least wage, Five times a day know from hypothermia. Ideally a seller. You're not doing your job. You're not prospecting you you're not doing anything really, you're really not Prospect. You're not putting yourself in the position to actually have heard and that right there off if you if you think about all the Mickey Mouse that's being told and sold to agents nowadays. It's all predicated on the idea that they are like fragile little, you know Faberge eggs, and they're fearful hearing the word know that they might take a break and and how they can put themselves back together. They are totally living in fear of hearing know and which is the same reason in my opinion that they'll sometimes say, I don't want to sponsor agency recruit agents. It's a fear of hearing know which way do you think about that? I agree totally so I wrote down some thoughts for you guys if you want to succeed if you're not a part of Tim and Julie's coaching program, you should do that. If not bad then do something else, but I've always been went to Brian buffini. I went to Craig Proctor. I went to ReMax convention Mega Camp family Union. I sent remember Starpower Highland Branch Julie and I are Hearts Britain Stars. Yes, I got there. Yep. And then he shut it down after I showed up because I forget it. Bring the power star. I got there and went to one event and then he retired and sold the company sold start powered I got there but my point is this song go to stuff like that. Go to masterminds. I'm doing in Cabo Mastermind the tropics in Cabo. We got Eleven Hundred people come this February, but gold interrogate people. Look at those speaking. I remember Leonard Fazio, even though the name he was sold six hundred homes a year in Iowa and I heard him speak onstage long with a hundred people and everyone just glad handing him and let's say do I do the same thing you shake all that was sure great I go. Hey, can I take you to lunch with my with my dad was with me for sure and we spent an hour with him at lunch. Everybody else heard him speak onstage. I think what about this? What about this? What about this? What about this? What about this and he sat there and coached me for an hour and I bought him like a $12 Taco on a diet coke stored asking people to meet you for coffee or meet you for brunch or lunch. It's who you meet at those events. And then when you meet the stars go, can I fly out to your office? I bet the number one Coldwell Banker agent the world wage. Kinder Lawton, Oklahoma, I didn't know Jago J. Can I fly out your office and just watch you for a day or sure I went to law and it's like population 120,000. It's a military town. He goes, let's go to dinner and we went to the only restaurant at Golden Corral. We got there. Dinner but I interrogated J and I copied him and he copied his radio and I spent fifteen years on the radio after meeting with Jay over a million dollars and I gave all my listings from the radio people call me up and say hey, would you list my million dollar home 6% right I go sure, you know and that was like, but I copied someone everything I did but I was on a flight to Toronto flight to Orlando fly to Denver. I went to an event Denver's horrible. They're not all going to be good. I've joined coaching program. So I thought were horrible. But guess what? I went to some that were nominal touching. That was great. I'm a guy who's willing to try and then interrogate people ask a million questions out there. So when you're trying to decide something cuz you're saying something that agents listening them. All going to say I need to inundate myself with more data points. I need to fill my head with a whole bunch of competing ideas. And then somehow I need to magically know how to we have together this Killer Business Plan. Whereas on the other side of that is more procrastination and it's their think for some like someone's a school teacher and they automatically think if they go and Shadow you and they Shadow all these other people or if you was called shadow in the nineties remember before coaching for the internet. Yeah, you know, they think somehow they're going to have the business Acumen to be able to put together a business plan by taking little bird dropping samples from all these different sources and that's what leads that's one of the biggest reasons that people fail. All right. So I'll suggest a hundred percent what you said, but the bottom line is is you have to choose what your ultimate goal is because much of what's being taught to agents. I'd love to debate this if you'd like to debate it, but I I have a feeling you won't the profit is not even part of the of the picture back when Brett and I were, you know in the nineties and all these marketing and branding and you know, all this direct marketing all this stuff off. Now that you guys think is new is coming around the bend it. That's when it all sort of, you know, Craig Proctor was Dan Kennedy and all the rest of the stuff. We were back in the form formidable formative age of all these things and now that have become Pro Larson normalized some of those things back then did make money because it wasn't it was an oversaturated but nowadays if you start latching yourself on to some of these ideas that people are trying to sell you you might sell more houses and you might get the plaques the attention and people might think you're a real estate deity, but you have no profit. Yeah because you have to decide really what you're excited. But you gotta be selling homes to make profit, right? So first choice to learn how to sell some homes and I'll say this when you go to these things you I would grab one or two things like what I got out of Jake enters office. He was still in 600 homes a year and I'm pretty much bolted down to his getting a ton of it from the radio off. So I implemented one thing not so many things and it worked great killed Challenge on that if you're running radio ads cuz I've had coaching calls like this before where they're running crap tons of radio radio works off. Consistently but better than most things that are passive agree completely. Yeah, the radio station format changes the DJ changes that goes from Christian 2 Country your might be you know, there goes your listenership and it also depends on very specific time spots in the morning and your ad obviously, we're all a bunch of risk-reversal types things. Okay, but the problem with radio ultimately is if you don't have a high enough average sale price what your cost is going to increase your profits are going to decrease off drinking a great point. I'm in Sacramento guys sales price, right? There's no and all that. Oh, I made money. I made my no gross vs. Net. I met at a lot of money. So it depends upon where you're living that will agree to disagree, but I'll tell you this. What's the sale price? Okay, the sales price in California is high. And so if you try to copy me, it's just like 800. Yeah, right, right. Right, right. So I will tell you this iran-iraq ads on radio twice and failed twice. I did the weekend show like Jay was doing and it went okay, and they said it's going to take six months and I was spending fourteen thousand a month. I was already obviously wage. Good money just to drop 14 Grand a month on radio we can show and I wasn't really successful for half a year. They said it's going to take a few or guess what they were right? And so finally what and then I did it for years and then off pretty soon. I got more and more and more shows that there's that returned it starts growing but we did it for me was when I made an ad and I One ad and it was like I copied a dog trainer Uncle Maddie is call me Uncle Maddie. I'll talk to you personally and man. I'll be danged. If everyone didn't call Uncle Maddie to get their dog training churches six grand to trade in your dog six grand people lined up to Panic or Maddie. So I took him I did my ad I picked on Zillow. I said some easy little drive you crazy, you know, it's either too high or too low and you're like and you're right. They don't know. What's that algorithm it spits out a value in one second. I said if you call me, I'm a professional tell you age homes worth in this market. So call me bring Cove. I'll talk to you personally exactly like the tone of Uncle Maddie the dog trainer. I called him. I couldn't believe I want to train my dog six grand. Are you kidding me and page? Line up to Pam. So guess what people line up to give me listings. So I learned to run and one particular Audi right times change this and that but I struck a nerve in the community and my phone blew up and that's where I learned to get 18 to 20 at list away from that. It was way more. You know, what the ads cost me twenty eight hundred a month. I was carrying 18 to 20 at listings. I was flat making money now, it depends upon where you live and what you're spending in that I happen to get a dead killed it and it was just struck a chord. I failed this stuff was not as good but you remember do you remember Russell Shaw? He's yes Russell shop. She's awesome. Right? Yeah, all these ads that these guys are running nowadays are still based on Russell's ads from the sixties. And that guy is a freaking genius what I say smiling off a dog trainer. I never takes there is a guy in Columbus Ohio in July and now we're selling real estate that used to sell radio ads got his real estate licence starts to selling Ross doing radio ads and his whole thing was testimonial testimonial testimonial and then at the end and at the end of every Testament, I think his name was Mike they go like thanks Mike and so he he was the thanks Mike guy and that really dead. It's funny totally but again it when you're the problem again that I'll suggest obviously radio works. I didn't say it didn't but you have to make sure you're watching your numbers. Otherwise, what you're wanting you to do is spend money and have no profit. I agree. Yeah, and then at the end of the you know end of the year, you might even be operating at a deficit and then you've never done you don't have any proactive lead generation, which page definition doesn't cost you anything set up. Maybe you've never learned to do it. Maybe you convince yourself that it takes too much time, whatever and then you're always going to be beholding to buying business and being the holding to buying business essentially means you're never going to have a very consistent business. Ultimately true. Yeah, I mean, so yeah, I used to make 500 to a millionaire net on my tax return but I when I sold four and twenty seven homes in California me three point eight million gross g c i i netted 1.2. That was it. I was happy with that. Now you may go that's terrible me. I was happy. I love my life. Oh my God, you had how many buyers agents had 45 birth? Agents and this was in 2005 before teams were sexy and but I'm like I wasn't that a nightmare know, it's fun. I don't how do you manage them? I don't they're independent contractors. I let him do whatever the heck they want a lot of like a hard time running a shop like that. I I'm loosey-goosey. So whatever I don't micromanage people do it if it's sink-or-swim. I want you to swim. I want you to prosper once you do well, but if you drown that's on you I'm giving you the motivation the information the inspiration if you drown it's on you I didn't feel don't you feel responsible for him? Not a bit. Yeah. That is actually that's very that's a fascinating approach to it too because they're like as far as the ego involvement a lot of these teams and what not, you know, but it is everything has the the old rules with the teams and all these types of things that really has evolved over time and I'll tell you one of the things that I really like about e x p is XPS made it so that's actually more profitable to run a team if you want to keep your team or if you have an existing brokerage you want to move over the XP. I'm actually makes you can make more profit. I know it's what can I cover that? Oh what I wrote down. My team at Remax I was paying them I had to pay for all the offices at 8 private offices had thirteen full-time employee said 45 buyer's agents. I ran it all with eight private offices by time. I paid the office fees and paid the admin fee of 100% agent with Remax. So it going to cost me much right add it all up. It's $457,000 a year to operate at Remax now since then they've got more woke up at apartments flat as a fact, there's four and fifty-seven thousand dollars a year and overhead to ReMax. So I go to Keller Williams. They have like a were only a $27,000 cap on my okay. And when I went to Keller Williams gets home agents had left in 2009 in the middle of the crash. I had like 8:45 to 8 what the rest they'll went bankrupt lost their homes. They lost their Chevy Tahoes and their Cadillac Escalades in their BMW. They lost everything. It was really brutal and Sacramento, California, Las Vegas Phoenix in Florida. We took it on the chin. And so here's here's the bottom line is we dead. I came there It Was Eighteen thousand and agent I built up to 14 agents. So do the math you have a math. What's 14000 * 18000? It's $170,000 a year mrs. Goes off. I'll do it on my phone. Let's do it right now. This is to it. I'll be quick. I'm going to be fast so come on open for me clothes low-power. So here's a calculator you're ready for this. I had fourteen agency Keller Williams times 18,000. They called that a half cap, which is funny half of 27000 is not eighteen thousand. That was a half cap. It's 13.5 whatever. All right, so * 14.0 $252,000 a quarter of a million to Keller Williams. Yep, then I paid 27 + 27000. Equals I'm paying $279,000 for 57. I was elated only pay him this number it exp our Caps or 16 for the lead agent 8 for the buyer's agents. It was actually half a cap half of Sixteen is eight. If you're a magazine and you're doing over. What is it? A hundred seventy-five sales a year or forty million or forty million your buyers. They just get too, or it's and actually yeah and and you have to do over seventy five transactions and forty million a year. It's 4010 people off of 10 or more. It's 4080. Yeah. So if you have 10 people that's 40 Grand plus you're sixteen fifty six thousand a year versus I just was paying 257 to think about so I went to Keller so I'm going to go my dog tired of paying all this money. I'm not even know and then they just took it and cut it in half. They they dropped the price and made a more competitive, but I still paying like a hundred and eighty thousand a year. Such a run A Team Ed EXP. Fraction of the cost. Everybody got stock awards. A lot of them got revenue-share not all of them cuz some of them didn't recruit they just sold but my agents who sold about 30 to 40 homes a year say, they have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of stock. Well, that won't happen. Are you kidding me? It's just you know, 36,000 agents way to have a hundred thousand the value that stock it's going to be exciting, you know, if she she always talked about a bunch of different things at once. I have to pull out the things I think SARS or like the more I know it's you fed me four cups of coffee. I did your lovely wife did but so mean the reality of it is is that I'm just curious about who all the people you've ever talked. You've maybe personally sponsored. Let's say cuz I think in the EXP you and I personally sponsored more people than anybody else has and essentially it's possible. I don't know if it's for sure if that's what she told. Yes and all those conversations how someone moving over to exp what was the most amount of money that they saved over their current over what then became their previous brokerage cuz I think I have a job. Number that's the biggest number I've ever heard. I've never really sat down in calculated what they save so I don't know how to quantify that but what's yours he basically was paying his broker about four hundred thousand dollars a year and you dropped him to sixteen months while so just the horizontal move saved him $384,000 a year. Basically. Yeah. Yeah, you get your smiling you wish you could see Jimmy Swaggart. No, no because about yourself most because I was about to say come back and he basically has a coaching client and he basically made me work for it for like six months before he switched over even though he was going to save that much more money. And here's the thing. It's magical that's happened after this this year and Chuck. Yes. I am talking about you. I know you're listening. He's having his best year ever. I think he's going to make something like two million dollars because he's so much more excited about data for his business and he has stock and he's making revenue-share. Yeah, everybody thinks they need Century 21 or Berkshire Hathaway Remax or Keller Williams or Sotheby's or whoever it is. You all think you need that? No, no, no. No. I thought I need a Remax some 427 homes a year. I can't go to Keller Williams dead. And then I finally did in 2009 things were so bad. I stooped to the level of checking out Keller Williams. And of course Remax said it would destroy my career. They were wrong Kelly. Kelly Williams told XP would destroy my career life changing for my kids kids. They were wrong. But here's the deal when I left Remax for Keller Williams. Everyone's like what is that in Sacramento was in big like his job. Well, they like is that a paint company? Like now that's Sherman-Williams and they didn't care. I used to think everyone cared about big. Oh, well, do you like it? Yeah, it's good enough for me. Nobody cared and lose any business other way Keller Williams said the experience like what's that? It was just like from Remax to go away hymns and no-name Company Keller Williams was a no-name company when I made the brown, I mean the agents had heard of it, but the customers declines Sacramento being literally thought it was a paint cover had lost my mind. I said, no, it's Keller Williams. I'm Austin, Texas. I'd have to tell them the story about Gellar Keller same thing until the same story. They didn't care that Cape. It's good for you. You're happy then fine. They do but you do not need your brand. If you think you need your brand, you're a new agent or you are deceived you here. Just I mean, I gotta be honest when I was doing for ourselves here at Office. Max was good to good brand ever. You see the commercials. I mean Remax is a good brand and so is Keller Williams and all other companies, but that wasn't getting a business because of the bloom. Yeah, no or the blue and wage Coldwell Banker you think you are, you know, but that is a fascinating point though too. And it doesn't matter. I I had a thing stuck in my head about a year ago with regards to the fact that you maybe if you were selling luxury real estate thought you need to have a luxury brand but I've since had people that were so I'm really expensive real estate real expensive markets move over and their business has not suffered all because at the end of the day, nobody cares real estate Brands had their day in the sun like so you and I go back to the basically the same area which is like a billion years ago when people were living right? Right, right. I mean Century 21 was the cats, you know, that was me out. Exactly. Thank you. Okay, and then then it basically birth A couple different things but really we can say that the next era was the era of Remax Dave linegar put the agent first increased commissions and to go to ReMax, you know, you're generally speaking at the top of your career. Yep. Yep. Then you saw another megatrend enter in which was Keller Williams and these and these megatrends happened to last they seem to last you thought about this twenty-five years or so and they're still they still have agents and whatnot. But basically there's something else that comes along that sort of replaces it and most Trends in life are like that right and just even out in life in general, you know, like you're wearing bell-bottoms right now, which I can't quite right and he's lying dead. But I mean, those are the type used to wearing a plaid jacket that's back in style. I think I don't mind the goal Jack and we're Twenty-One. So you're not the EXP definitely is a mega trash. It's not just it's not just something that's going to come and go exp is basically something that's going to this is going to be the thing for the next, you know, twenty-five or thirty years and in essence now u x p has been around for a decade birth. Essence the biggest growth and this is I think this and I just I feel so honestly, I feel blessed. I'm not going to say lucky cuz jean-frederic always smacked me upside the head verbally when I say lucky but I do feel blessed to have finally gotten past. Whatever was holding me and Julie back from aligning with the XP because this is what it feels like to be in the right place at the right time. Now, I felt that other times when that Julie when I got married when we did other business things that felt special and and I think in life, you're only given maybe if you're lucky 5 but realistically three big opportunities and you blow any of them opportunities. There's no guarantee another one's going to come around for you and I certainly and I say this hoping you have live another Thousand Years me to write that this is probably our last best business opportunity. Not last but are less best business opportunity if you're twelve and you're listening now, hopefully you're going to come across a few others, but for vast majority of you listening exp, very well could be your last best business opportunity. Because of the growth is just getting started and this is going to be a megatrend. That's it's already Global this it was you know, this better than Disney XP the largest real estate Brokerage in the world now by Geographic or something. I heard something that I can't verify but here's why it's going to be a big deal last week. I had two agents once from Vietnam ones from Thailand, they're both so excited. It's also connected to Vietnam want to bring a speed of Thailand Thailand and Vietnam another one last week. She's a broker Manila and in San Francisco. She wants to bring a speed in Manila. I already had Brokers that with the 140 agents in South Africa opened. They all came in one week Portugal France Brazil India bone up in India, and I get paid a home sales in Canada, Australia the UK every, you know, every state in the nation because I took a chance and so I want to encourage you take a chance. This is a special time A friend of mine out of college and swim Straight got a degree in accounting. Like anybody else gets boring degree in accounting couldn't get a job. He finally take a job minimum wage his parents like it's been three months. He graduated through my disk take a job any job just get some experience. So we took a job nine guys working over an apartment and their underwear, you know, they're like in sweat suits. We're get our company be big someday five years later that company went public. He was their CFO will give you title. You are the Chief Financial Officer, but we can't afford to pay you but by law we have to give you a minimum wage. He's a CFO making minimum wage, but hey, we'll give you stock like the expiry date our sake used to be a penny stock. Yeah, right. He that company went public became Yahoo! His stock was worth $170 million. That was thirty years. They were twenty-five years ago. He's traveled the world for twenty-five years right time right place. I tell you what for me. I've never felt like this and we are just getting started. We're going to be the first company to have a million agents worldwide. All we've done is paved the roads. We've been on gravel roads with potholes and we paid the roads who paved the on ramp to the interstate your timing could not be better. If you listen this podcast to do exp with Tim and Julie myself and others and we could name names. We were you Jake and his group and Julie and I were by some website and never heard of frankly, but they'd call this I sent this to you they cause the 3-month hesitant saying this but they gave us the title of basically being the three teams to take a hard look at if you're thinking about joining x p number to James. I've got sent to you very cool. Yeah, it was cool, and I thanked him and I never liked myself off. Four people call your best friend and he explained take a deep dive whether you call Tim and Julie me J Kenner. Whoever call your best friend. Did he Expedia and take a hard? Well, they can call us to and will help him. And the first question you always ask them. Are you already in conversation with somebody and it doesn't matter if you are then we're going to we're going to answer your questions or you know, probably message the person you already talking to and tell them about the conversation and loop him back in and help you. Yeah, I mean, but that's the that's the XP does one team one dream baby. That's true. I mean the stock the the revenue share all those things. That's the genius of it too because you essentially light the animal spirits in the you know, the souls and the resources of everyone's mind. That's the thing that you can't understand until you're actually involved at can I I want there was a couple called the Matthews in Texas. They were selling 880 homes a year. They inspired me they were real young agents back in two thousand four or five. I was chasing them. I was at half their volume and poultry 427 sales a year, which is 318 of those were people we met at open houses, by the way. One year 318 closes from open houses which are free and he just got to get out there and work but here's the deal they inspired me. But what did it mean to be financially nothing they inspired me which is vital nothing wrong. And and when I was at Keller Williams, I remember this guy selling a billion a year in real estate Ken DeLeon or something is the number one killer Williams agent from San Francisco, San Jose sold twenty Thirty forty fifty $80 homes. Incredible story great guy. He inspired me but what I mean to me financially nothing and he had speed when you meet those same people in their bloated up a New York and Florida and Texas and wherever they are. Guess what it makes them more valuable who wants to stalk you do Tim. I do in every agent needs to be that's want to Stockport is that stock award went from $2 from $0.20 a share to $0.80 a year quadruple wage to a buck sixty when I got in it was two ninety today is trading at fifty something dollars a share where three billion dollar company. We went from like fifty million to 3 billion and three years. Oh God. Baby, how are you doing? Any more coffee? You good know I'm I'm excited but it's not about money. I love people and money is a byproduct of service and value definitely. That's what I got to say. Yeah. Well if something to write down early, I thought you said I mean if you don't have a lifestyle if you don't have the things if you don't have the freedom if you don't have the sense of accomplishment the sense of meaning the sense of whatever it is you feel like you're lucky in your life. It's because you haven't bridged the gap between the realization. I say this respectfully and lovingly listener. So, you know between there's a direct correlation between the number of people that you helped in the amount of and and the the nature of your experience on this planet and a lot of people especially in this, you know, strange time. They're all living in they have a they're confused about being materialistic and I want to do my best and long-term Deepak Chopra to try to clear the air. We Are Spiritual Beings and physical manifestations and as we're sitting here looking over the ocean. I'm trying not to look as a totally distracted right does it palm trees are waving off? Tropical Breeze, you know, but we are fit We Are Spiritual Beings and physical manifestations and we need stuff, you know, we need an iPhone to record this podcast. We need shoes on our feet food in our bellies. We need roof over our head. So you might as well make it so that you have the nicest stuff that you allow yourself to afford. And if you don't have the nicest stuff that you allow yourself to afford it's because you simply haven't helped enough people yet. And now I'm in real estate. It's helping more people solving a problem which is buying or selling a house and helping somebody do it. But the nice thing about what Glenn Sanford is created is you help people just by bringing them into exp. Cuz they're then improving their lives because this this beautiful system that is already there. If you to leverage which is called the XP and then you get this thing called exponential growth not just in your finances, but in all the things that need that mean the most to you now have a sense of purpose in a sense of direction and it's it's like a rebirth when you agree. Am I overstand? Absolutely. I think you're pulling me in your home. Set World which I'm trying to resist but doesn't it feel like that honestly it is. I'm so excited. It's incredible. Here's what some of you think you may think. I just don't know if I could do it. Well get something you may be doubting your bill. Let me ask you a question. Tim and Julie Harris can do it. Well, yeah, of course they can do it. That's the point. They're going to help you do it. I'm going to help you do it, aren't we doing that now? Yes, we're we're bringing them to step up in their mind-set other ways in the way they think and so, you know, when I was a Remax agent, the sales manager would answer my questions or the broker from time to time, but basically what they're you know, humping and bumping and grinding and and do what I did and it was me doing those open houses. That was me on my knees and Antelope California praying to God for him to send someone in the front door that open house that was maybe going to events that I could always afford to go to to learn about real estate and it wasn't my sales manager wasn't Remax and in in yeah Keller Williams kind of added masterminds and more collaboration. Yep. Amazing. I loved it to me. I found it a more educationally enlightening environment. I'm a student of life. I'm a student of real estate in Keller Williams really embodied that and then exp takes that times ten know she doesn't you ever been here. You don't get it. And so you may be doubting whether you could do it call Tim and Julie. Feel free to call me call your friend. They will help you. We will help you do it. You don't doubt that's if there's a local exp agent and you are friends with that agent. You want that agent to sponsor you but you're still I'm going to say this again cuz it's really important. Even if we have no like even if you don't want to be sponsored by brand or by July and I it's okay ask us for help and we'll help you. Yeah, we're doing that right now for you. Hopefully your understanding the point of it, but that really goes to the sense of community in this is something I professional never experienced before and now and let me share a personal reels it is unreal. So we Julie and I went to I didn't so I was still on the fence about joining XP and Julie is everyone who left the store show dog. Much smarter than me and she wanted to join the XP and we went down to an event that was in San Antonio some place a little exp thing that Gene. I don't think you were there you weren't there and but Gina put together and I remember and Julie and I have hosted provided gone to I don't even know how many real estate events. Just if I never go to a real estate if then again I'm good, but at that event, I experienced something. I never personally experienced before and it was a power of the true not the not the bullshit community that everyone talks about but it was real because people were essentially all feeling the sense of a real attachment to a greyish brighter future and they're all working together as a community and that's something I'd outside of truthfully outside of church. I've never experienced that and it was something for me. That was like, this is what I've always wanted to be associated with attached to what we hope they get from being associated with his our coaching business, but the difference that Glen had created that I couldn't and this is the thing that ultimately put pushed me over the ledge. Ledge The Edge the threshold whatever it was to make the decision was when I remember talking to normal agents there that were you know, sporadic at home sales. Maybe they're selling eight or ten houses, but they found passive income enough to pay their house payment. They had a sense of Financial Security that they never would have in their entire lives and I just talked to these people and Julie and I walked into this room and we sat on different sides cuz we get home recognize less when we're not together. So we always and she she was having his conversations man-on-the-street interviews and I was on the other side we weren't announced. No one knew we were there we sat in the back room. We went to have coffee and we've talked to everyone and that sense of you know, the monkey no longer being on their back the ones that either were making revenue-share were making money from the stock and obviously selling real estate that financial burden not being there anymore. At least not being as omnipresent in their lives with something that I wanted to be attached to because that was giving something not just education not getting young to act. Yep. Getting him to action, but Glen had created something that created that made up for their natural inability to save money and ever have any kind of retirement plan. So two things agents do poorly pay their taxes to save money, right? So Glen fix both of those things. So I know if we applied or at least I hoped if we applied our education helping him sell real estate in with What Glenn had created inside this amazing business then we had the perfect overall approach to helping agents, which was in line with what we wanted. So that's what made the difference for me and it wasn't the money obviously was answered. Well, it's important. I'm not going to say it's not but knowing that there's so many people that are benefiting from it and meaningful ways. I mean, I grew up poor right? And I know that when I was growing up that my dad had you know, many many small businesses, but we never had any really any money. I mean that's a long way short and so if my dad had two thousand or three thousand dollars coming in per month passively that would have changed the world for us when we were little kids that would change everything and I always remember that I remember you know, what that helps how much juice Sucks not to have money when you're a little kid, you know, and that's why I attached to yeah. Yeah, beautiful you you touched on something earlier that I think is really important people have a desire for Community you match the word Community. They have a desire to join a tribe A group of people who are like-minded going somewhere. In other words. I think people want to join a movement when they really get swept up in that movements me ask you a question. What do you feel like is the movement where you work at your real estate company? What movement are you a part of? Well, just trying to go from 20 sales here to 40. I'm trying to go from 4280 trying to go from eighty to two hundred and and in really really accomplishing who's really helping him that to me is the difference with the expiry when you come to x p events and you should go to an event come to Cabo in February at the Hyatt Ziva Eleven Hundred of us who are sick of covid-19 and and we're using social distancing and all the it's Hyatt Regency. They're they're doing the safety protocols it all be done probably off. Sources, right? Yeah. Yeah. We want to get a ticket. We're opening up 500 more this week brink of resources., But here's the deal. It is truly a movement. It is a worldwide phenomenon will be the first company to have a million agents. Well, no one's ever done it because we're the only company that makes their agents shareholders. Nobody's doing that. Like we are not even close and nobody sharing Revenue agents at the level were doing it as a few minor companies out there poking with the stick, but we're already a multibillion-dollar national company and we're like 1% I mean if you a 36,000 of of 2.3 million, what is that? What is that the market percentage? It's just over 1% Market penetration the US I think mathematically I got to look at those numbers, but it's going back will you know, we're all about selling real estate. My organization will close what I did some quick numbers and Mathematics. I think it'll close 41,000 residential home sales this year 41,000 throughout the US and Canada song. And Australia and the UK will recurrently operator. I'm not counting South Africa or Mexico or India and India's next week. I'm not even counting that stuff 41,000 a we sell real estate office is pretty awesome. Yeah, it's funny that people say e x p is all about recruiting and outgoing so sign ridiculous it is whatever you want to be a three billion dollar company. Well, what else are you going to say? If you're trying to compete with the XP honestly, I mean if you're if you're a broker and your list seeing a sleeve going to XP, I mean you're kind of they used to say things like well just recruiting business. Well, except that in most markets you're seeing exp agents and you know become the number one. Most dominant teams. Well, it's just bought a stock. What about the well, let's see I give you an example stock started this year what 6 bucks eight bucks and you know, it's trade in the fifties. I mean, it's okay, you know, yeah, but if you leave Coldwell Banker for Keller Williams thinking of going to go Betty thank God you found Keller Williams Let's help you pack up your desk, but I tell you every reason why you need Coldwell Banker catalogs is with lawyers, and we're going to protect you if you get a lawsuit, you're probably going to get lost dog. Or whatever it is color will makers going to try to to tell you why it's a bad idea to go to Keller Williams. One of the free Max and went to Keller Williams over. I know Kelly Williams. They're threatened by Realty one, at least the Sacramento. They have hundreds of Agents hundreds that used to be killed in there and they're like no Reem Realty wants us to chop shop, you know, it's just four hundred bucks a deal and there's no help. Why don't I see a lot of agents that are pretty happy, but it's so it doesn't matter whatever brokerage you work out. If you say look I'm leaving Coldwell Banker for Sotheby's the management team and cold fingers can tell you why it's a bad idea. Stop listening to your franchise owner your sales manager about whatever company you want to go to whether it's exp or some other company and go check out that other company and give it a shot. If you don't like it you can always go back to whatever company who came from so it's not just the experience be willing to put your chin on the line and succeed and try things. Yeah, I mean exactly and getting back to what you said and the previous point I was making about that trim San Antonio and then you said something was really elegant and most brokerages. They manipulate you through your ego. They give you Awards they give you plaques. Yep, and and they basically those that's how they get you hooked. And your your ego is constantly looking for that sense of recognition. Well, you get plenty of recognition and love the XP but you get something that's Everlasting. It's more important you get Financial Security you get Freedom you get the opportunity to create Legacy wealth and Julie and I when we sold real estate for Remax and I'm sure you as well for Remax and Keller Williams. I mean when you still have all your plaques know when I get on my smok dick pic. In the trash exactly but I mean that that's the difference in Glen recognize that having been a successful agent himself. He said well, you know, what really agents need is they need Financial Security. I'm going to create something that no one's ever done before and I'm going to essentially read you know, Jigger the The Brokerage business model and as a result of that I'm going to create a bunch of agent millionaires anyone that's willing to listen. So here's what people say they go but you know, it's not about money. It's about the Culture Club. Of the culture of my office Kevin's has been the number one company for creating that the value proposition of culture and culture is important and and then my friends all my friends. I can't leave my friends. Do you go to work to hang out with your friends? Do you leave your children for your friends for culture, or do you go to work in real estate to make money for your family? What is it and then we'll know it's more important that I have good culture and France. I don't know about you but I go to work to earn money for my family. I love my customers and I work I'll do my best to work harder than you for my customer retain only my customers with to pick up your customers. I want to add so much value to the customer experience. But listen to me it becomes about you leave your kids some of you at daycare. I hope it's not just about the culture. Yes culture is important, but that's yeah, you're being manipulated. Are you hating with an agent don't realize that you know, and and and they they're treating brokerages like Cults birth. How about this like religion the culture these amazing through all the people who are positive goal-oriented. I can do it that the dreamers peaceful and dreamers not crazy with saying what are the three things? We took although I sound a little crazy and saying today. Well, God bless you for that. So what are the three things that every every man or woman needs in their life we talked about this mileage. Well, don't don't step on my point. Oh, sorry. Now you're offering me. Remember. I thought you were asking me know. Okay. Well, what was the third one? I remember so it's not something something to do someone to love and something look forward to there you go. Those are three of the essence of what it is and what a lot of people do and you guys and we've seen this before and I think even I remember when Julie and I had a whole bunch of way too much attention our first year after selling all his houses. We definitely we never had that much attention before give me a break she comes back admiration. Oh, yeah, but we are being manipulated because we were then one was in started to get addicted to that recognition speaking a different Remax offices Howard made us a star. You know, Julie and I are dead. Obscure couple from Central Ohio and all of a sudden we're on this National, you know real National Association of Realtors magazine. It was a lot of attention and we weren't ready for it. And so we we hadn't realized which I realized now wage was we just became the marinette's for something else to basically line. Somebody else's Pockets. Yep. They were hoisting us up because basically they were trying to manipulate through Ari go to essentially better their position and it took me a while to realize that too. Yeah once I did then I started realizing I don't want to be on any of these lists anymore Julian. I didn't want to be on the top this or that the other matter of fact Remax had and I feel bad about this be honest with you, but I had organized some really special awards banquet celebration for July and I guess we had accomplished some big huge. I remember what it was. It was like two after Platinum. If you remember from your Remax days and the Germans award whatever it was and we had made a decision not to go to those Banquets anymore. Yeah, and we found out afterwards that they'd basically had planned something really special for us. But the reason we didn't want to go is because we are fearful wage. Sucked back into the ego Vortex again and wanting recognition and we didn't want to move away for it. What our principal goal was was basically to take care of our customers have a business be very profitable reinvest the money, right? And that's the thing that I I I sense within the core DNA of this company Glen gets that too. There's not there's no manipulation like there is no traditional Brands there. There are actually you guys are if you're associated with normal brand and you're just working towards selling or houses. So you get another level of recognition at the cost of your let's just be honest business and personal life. You've been manipulated. You've been co-opted. You've your futures been stolen and then what's going to happen decades are going to pass, you know, it's you know, I'll tell you you must relate to this cuz you're just a little bit older than me, but it is funny cuz for the longest time Julie and I were always the youngest people in the room and now not so much, you know, right right buddy, as you can see this batons being passed but that's kind of an interesting experience. That's not hate that experience. Actually. I do a little dog I do and I don't I would if I wasn't where I was financially if I wasn't where we are financially that I would hate it but I I but I'm okay with it today. I'm the oldest guy in the room. Usually actually I think life you are where's my three of us here? But I think another really important point to make is we wrap this up. Is this a lot of people assume right now like yeah, but Tim could make a brain can make it but only a few people your management team the ownership group, if your work for an independent, whoever owns that independent, but you're putting their name on your listings, you know, they're saying yeah, but only a few people really make it big at that. I'm telling you right now. I know hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people just in my own organization that the revenue share for me XB makes their house payment that's owed to eliminate your house payment is huge. And so here's here's what they're going. Well, what about the rest? What about the rest? Well the average age until 6 homes here. What does that got to do with you or the price of tea in China? It's eighty-twenty rule. I would say 80% XP doesn't make the house payment. Aha. He said it no no, no, you know why cuz they haven't attracted me one to the company cuz I guess you don't have to track people or recruit people. You can actually just sell real estate. So if you're not attracting people you don't get Revenue share, but you could stock I have so many people that have attracted like nobody who have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock. And I've asked if we had stayed at her old brokerage, what would you ask they go trophies and plaques? Yeah trophies and plaques. You don't get profit sharing you there either you have to attract people to get profit sharing right? And so young there are so glad so yeah. I have people who they don't make a lot of Revenue share, but they have two hundred fifty-three hundred three hundred fifty-four hundred thousand dollars worth of stock the ones you did both sold and attract agents. I had all grown men who have over a million a million dollars a stock plus to revenue share. The only makes her house payment makes their car payments their second home payment investment retire younger age. Unbelievable donate the money hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. So no stop it. You're again. You're you're defeated before you even start you're arguing for your limitations and say tell me what you know what I'm going to give it a shot. I don't think I'll make it. I didn't know if I was going to make it I thought well, maybe I could do ten or fifteen in the first year. I only did it Friday afternoon is from 2 to 5. It's right. I make a few calls and eight months later. I did forty now Tim. He's more talented than he just said put his mind to it. But fourteen the first month it may take you 2 years. I don't care how long it takes you all we had an unfair Advantage our podcast. Yeah, remember and listen to daily podcast see but I don't I don't think that was unfair you would worked hard years old that I know so I'm not get a cold in Fair. You were not an overnight success. You were how long you been into real estate gig twenty-five years? Yes, like 26 or 27. He's a 27-year overnight success, right? So it's not an unfair Advantage letter Snappers. We're probably been doing I'm new. Yeah, you may have to take four or five six seven years to do what we did in two or three years what's wrong with them? That there's a Finish Line idiot speed there is no Finish Line where you work there isn't buy a franchise ask them what they named. That's how much money they make with franchise actually killer waves tried to retain me to go down average franchise is now making I think they told me two hundred twenty five thousand a year. I'm making really have two hundred agents babysit all those personality and catfights and all the infighting at the office. And so and so dead with all that to make a poultry 225. Are you kidding me? I was definitely out the door. I assumed everyone who owned a franchise made a million dollars. It's so you know, it's a crack up and you have the color Williams office needing to someone we both know it's hundred and sixty-five a month and overhead 265,000. That's that's a little change over to tell you a funny story and the way around the band off. I got a this my weeks blend but it was either I pick it on Keller Williams. I just can't tell her when you came from Remax. We're not picking on Remax. So no, we're not absolutely not so I get a job. You know or text that I remember from someone that Julie and I sponsored maybe eighteen months ago. Right? And the email was Tim exp sent me money for the last three months or something like that. That's like over two thousand dollars. They've done it before but it was hundreds of dollars and I didn't I just thought I was trailing commissions or something but this month it was like $2,800 and and I and I never logged into Enterprise. They did not know where the revenue button was. They didn't know actually had to check with the revenue-share was they didn't know how many stock what they're what they had in stock awards. So I called them up and I did a quick Zoom a demo and showing how much they were. They had mostly by accident sponsored like eight agents or whatnot and they didn't realize that that eight agents had multiplied what'd multiplied to and they were actually making Revenue. I didn't know how much money they had in stock. They hadn't been paying attention to it. Wow. Now that was a phone call. Oh, yeah, I get that cold time to pray. This is hilarious. I love this company is so great job. If you think if you want to create a thousand dollars a month passive income and you want to do it the traditional way it is to buy rental properties basically and to make $1,000 a month. You have to basically have a rental property tax to cost you around $200,000 in today's market some place probably in the mid west or North Carolina or South Carolina or whatnot. No expenses against it's going to make and you pay cash for it. You're gonna make about $1,000 a month from it. I know this because Julie and I have a lot of new people. I know you used to it. But how many people at their pay cash or charge a fraction or exactly? Yeah, but that's my point. So most agents have in the back their mind that they're going to buy rental properties and live off the cash, but they never do cuz they realize that rental properties are not a great place to make net cash flow. Especially the tax laws changing idiots P. You can get into exp. You can essentially scale-out your plan for the next you set up perfectly for the next twelve to twenty-four months produce, you know have a specific plan set aside specific time following proven path don't come in and try to create your own, you know Way Forward copy what other people have done wrong? And then add every single month try to maybe your goal personally. I would say your minimum should be one a month some of you might be daunted by that. So maybe you're just going to sponsor five people for your for the next five years. I've seen demoed. I don't want to talk about the numbers necessarily but five people a year at the end of five years jeans napkin presentation. If you have 25 clinic qualifying agents, you will be making tens of thousands of dollars a month. If all you do is 5 per year then after five years you have 25 people that are qualifying these this is the type of growth that this company's saying you can't do that with rental properties unless basically you fall into a big windfall of cash and that's the other miracle that God has given us anything you want to say. I'll let you round it up man. Just I'm so grateful to be the XP and I'm so grateful for all of you listening today. Hopefully, we said things that have inspired you just to go be better at life to be better agent broker associate. Whatever if you want to know more about it XP Tim said a best you can log Of the model explained. And watch me kind of run through about a 30-minute benefits webinar. By the way, we have health care for agents value bite at a massive discount. And then there's another way to get a short video texted. How's that work? Text xp23 1996 and you can do that right now just text exp 23196 and you'll be texted back 11-minute video and then just watch the video and if you're ready to have, you know, take the conversation forward let us know and let's talk about you know, it's it's a good fit for all of you and then guys. Listen this is he said perfectly again course, he'd a Spring Grove is it goes a and I'm sorry people sometimes say that. Okay, it's funny. I remember going back 2 hours ago. Yeah, okay and turn around this is called closing. Yes. I am in central coffee Smirnoff. I'm tired. We gotta wrap this up to let's go to dinner. So yes, let's do go to dinner. 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"I Mason and Ireland show Brian Kennedy's information. And it is a big day. If you're an NFL fan the draft, which is really turned into a spectacle. It's going to be in Nashville. It's going to be televised live on ABC, we're gonna have a special draft show here this afternoon and one guy who's been following the draft since he was a a little kid. Brian is ram COO. Kevin demo who's nice enough to join us now. Kevin. How are you man? And one of the best days of the year as you said if you're not a fan or even a college football fan, this is such a fun day. Yeah. I was thinking about you personally in for people who don't know Kevin is the son of Marvin DEM off. Who was our you'll be the biggest agent and football in the eighties. And so since you were a little kid you've been kind of looking at this from the other side where a player's dream comes true. And now you're on the team side where you bring in. And kinda you become a dream maker. What's more fun being on the agent's side or being on the team side? Was young kid when you were on the other side. And I remember you used to get up Thursday morning at five o'clock on the west coast and watch the draft. But everything kind of happens you see part of it. I think on the team side you get to see the whole thing you get to hear the packs. You know, what's going on behind the scenes, you can talk to other teams. So I think actually getting choose is better. 'cause you're in control of your destiny probably rather than getting to represent players. But I'm sure there'd be agents who would feel the other way. But either way it's a it's a great chance for our fantasize to get better to Kevin like you a couple of years ago. The looked like the Rams needed like eight thousand players and like you go to the draft. And you need, you know, everybody, and they're really how how on earth. Are you gonna fill out a roster? Now, it's like I just went to a Super Bowl got a whole here a whole there as a kind of like both the transformation a little surprising to you. But also just that luxury of being able to know you're going into the draft where they really good team. It's kind of a comforting deal. Well, we've had a really good team. Obviously you start fresh in two thousand nineteen or L. We have a great roster. It is an interesting discussion when you sit in and listen to the meetings, though, because there aren't a lot of players who can come in and start for the team right away. And I think that's a great position to be in as a franchise. But it also, you know, it makes you wonder you're thinking a year ahead and you saw that last year with the third round. Joe, no, boomer Brian Allen at center in the fourth round and Mike Kaiser and were expecting those guys to come in and really play in participate. You know this year, you know, a year delayed, and I think the best thing about the drops is when you can take your favorite players give him time to develop as a rookie. And then really lean on them in the future rather than expected them to come in and may and be instant starters. But also the draft is always gonna offer that in you know, you sit there and you get excited, but between free agency and lots Sean, I'm done a great job. We were sitting there last night at our dropped at the play him and listening to Andrew Whitworth, and Robert woods and talk. Talking about the free agency class of twenty seventeen and how that changed the franchise the drop in two thousand seventeen gave us five six starter. So I think they're officers in great shape. But the league is always evolving. It's always changing if you think that you know, what we've done the past years. We'll help us in twenty nineteen. That's probably not the case. Kevin dim off. CEO of the Rams is with us. Okay. Come and take us inside the draft war room. I don't know if you actually spend any time in their on draft night assume you check in on it. But. What's it like is is less running it less need, the GM is Sean running. It is it is it kind of controlled chaos where anyone's free to speak up or what's the dynamic like in a draft or room on a night like tonight. It's controlled chaos. I mean, that's the best way to do it. And maybe when you're picking thirty one it's not chaos. It's just controlled you pull along chaos. I I don't know what the how will turn out. But but they've spent the past months going over the draft board, the coaches of all wait in scouts really set the draft board in December after all their fall visits that gets refined. And really finalize before the combine, you know. So our draft board is probably ninety percent set before the combine you get some information from pro days, and the combine the coaches give their evaluations, and there's some tinkering, but you know, we have done major scenario planning over the past week where we're less than Sean really go through all the different players who they would take thirty one the order. They would take them in. What you do if they're gone what you do if they're all gone, and you can't trade back which players you would be willing to sit there and pick versus if it's this group of three or four who are willing to trade back from. But you try to go through all of that when there's no pressure. So that when you get to the decision point on. On a night. Like tonight that you've already thought through every scenario, you know, and usually wear it changes in the history of the draft. You know is one the guy falls that you don't expect. And it's not a guy who you think might go twenty two, but falls, but the guy who thinks going to the top ten in falls. And I think that's usually where you're recalibrating a little bit. You're talking to your doctors. Is there a medical issue? You're talking you're scouts. There are character issues. There reason players falling or is it just that he doesn't know one expecting to be there and they go through with their plans. But you know, really last Dr Fitch he and challenge it right next to each other there a bunch of us flank, and you know, we may offer some opinions on strategy or help answer the phone on trades. But the two of them are in control. And we'll go over they take you guys. Don't still have those phones of the helmets like the helmets of the phones that I wish those are awesome. Like that that's much better know, we we actually have normal boring phone. Yeah. Your dad may have one laying around in the garage. We're talking to Kevin demo who is the COO the Rams in this. An exciting time for Rams fans. Kevin I know five season ticket holders, including Mason who have all decided to get seats in the new stadium. But now, you guys have opened it up for the general public to purchase seats and suites to the ram games at the new stadium. The one not not the costume. You're gonna play in this year. But the one in two years if somebody is interested in that if somebody wants to. You know, buy seats or suites in the new stadium. What's the best way to go about that triplets way to do is just go to the Rams dot com and follow the link for the new stadium and get in touch with one of the sales people overseeing the process, but you're absolutely right? Last spring. We opened up the premium seating for season ticket holders, and those who had put one hundred dollar deposit down when we return and twenty sixteen then we opened up general seating to that group in the fall. And now we're through that process in opening up every seat in the building. So whether it's club seats and premium seating, whether it's general mission seating the other fifty thousand seats throughout the building. Whether it's sweets just for the Rams because until now you can only buy sweet for for both teams and all of ants now, you can buy one for jumping Rams. So this is really the first time we've gone to market in Inglewood with all the seats in the building and excited about the next fifteen months knowing the building coming online, but the really filling it was Rams fans and the passion we've seen the past years in the call transcended out. I don't know if there's. As much passion. Mason has building. But but still pretty good for everybody else. You know, listen Caspian, Los Angeles. We're talking to you ram CO Kevin demo definitional speaking the seats next to the ones that Mason bought cannot be considered premium, correct? I I know we're made some veto are they are they come with premium amenities. But they also say now to have premium detraction. Some sort of warning at Mason and keep in mind who's saying this. It's me Mazen's actually pretty fun at football games. Well, you're atmospheres funded football games. Kevin it it really has. I grew up a ramps fan. I in the old days it call him. And then I followed him down to Anaheim. And for whatever reason in maybe it was the Super Bowl run. I think you guys have it back you have that buzzing in whether it be with the watermelon heads, and you know, down in one corner or or the all the girlie in Goff jerseys. I would imagine if I put you on a lie detector that this is even exceeded expectations for you of how quickly you'd get a fan base back has it. Well, I think it's building a fan base from now from scratch because we've had plenty of fans as you just said who grew up with us. But if you're going to go entice new fans over the last two seasons, you take q division titles. We have the most regular season wins of any candidate fell. The most points scored the greatest point differential were we've been exciting. On offense. Maybe we have transcended defensive player than Aaron Donald a great coaching staff and the environment. I think people have come to to enjoy it on their own. It hasn't just been older fans. It's not just newer fans. It's a great bland in the call had some fantastic moments. When you look it, you know, prime time playoff games. The chiefs game is one for the ages the Super Bowl run, obviously converted people who might be on the fan. So I think it's been a great blend of of really the brand in the team coming together in a meaningful way that the tall panic. And I think that's one that we can keep it, obviously, dos girly. You know, when you talk about the receivers and woods and cooks and Koppen and Aaron Donald and Marcus Peters. We have a lot of young stars. And then people that resonate with people. We've been involved in the community, but it all comes together. And it's something we've gotta keep working out every day. It's not just one year or two years of success. It's going to be five to ten years of doing. We've done the past few years to make sure that that we build that legacy in Los Angeles, Tim, and I know people who are interested in buying. So you guys have done a great job being making it. So they can. And get a feel for what it looked like, you know, what the field you'd be from your seed, and all that, you know, you can see the models, and it's it's it's really cool and at about a chance to to go through that process, but how far away is it before people can actually like take a peek at the building itself for like when people will be physically allowed inside look around and and stuff like that. Like where are we in that process or about seventy percent down with construction? So we just had a major milestone last week we finish the roof steel. So now that is done everything structural whether steel cement that is essentially done with the building. So then remainder meaning fifteen months is filling in the seats. You know, making sure that the concession stands, and sweets and the clubs are all finished out. We have to go hang the world's largest scoreboard, four K video board larger than the other than the NFL midfield. We have to put on the roof of the clear ETF e so so those are the last things to be done, but they're not structural things. So I don't envision people will be able to get in the building until it's actually open sometime next summer. But we're gonna try to do an event we hope to allow people to come into look at their seeds before that that first game. But now when you walk around the building, we we took some of the media through even though construction zone like you can actually see where everything is going to be. And that's the most interesting part. Now, I think for all of us when we go down each day or each week, something changes, you know, a certain section gets roughed in or a tunnels completed the elevators popped up. And you know, it's exciting in the number of tax that I get each time people flying over in LAX take pictures of the stadium increases each week. And I just think there's a great buzz for virtually the first modern fell stadiums built in Los Angeles in the past century. Can't wait really cannot wait for you guys to open that up. And again, if you're just joining us, the Rams have kicked off seat in sweet sales for the general public you go to the Rams dot com slash L A stadium for more info. Kevin last thing couple years ago when you guys drafted Cooper Cup, we had less and in in Sean on after the. Draft. And they said that they had their eyes on Cup at the start of the draft. They thought they knew where he might go. And they were just praying that that he was still there when you're pick came up, and I believe you got him in the third round. You don't have to tell you. It is obviously. But do you have a guy tonight that you're keeping an eye on? And you're kind of hoping and praying that people don't notice them until you get there and not only do you not have to tell John I really prefer. If you didn't. Because that would be just know. That would be really bad. And then after the draft. Kevin L ask you who it was. But does that person even exist, you know, that Keiler Murray Kidd if he could fly? To thirty one. I, you know, I think the great part about not having had a first round pick the fast few years is you have unbelievable patients, and and this year thirty one I think any player, you'd fixate on likely to be gone. I it's hard to predict. But I know last says probably two players who he really likes his drop to whose name of come up over and over again. And they're not really day one guy that you know, Hooper cop was a day to guy that we started him sewed around. So I didn't have a couple that you you've heard their name, more and more. And and you know, that he's got you got a secret crush on them. But we'll see how the board falls and the great part about the draft. You can tell everybody afterwards. We absolutely got the guy we wanted right? Right. So so that's the fun part about the draft that there they're a couple of guys who I think less is. That's what he's not Kevin Costner with the, you know, the Notre himself, but but somewhere buried in his office. I'm sure he's got those guys in in sharpie and wants to pull him off the board, by the way since you brought it up is that movie draft day since it's about your industry. It did you did you like it? Or did you think it was like just a hacked a hatchet job on what you guys do? I I enjoyed it. It's fun. And I think it was fun for for people who don't get a chance ever to be in a draft room to kinda see some elements. The on the clock stuff. I thought was interesting, obviously, the story line and everything the played out would be fascinating. And I think that draft that movie was a little bit before Twitter was popular. So God knows how that scenario play out on social media. Now, if they actually did it in that regard. But I it gave us all chocolate. I think it's a nice peak, and you know, for family members or for my kids. It was like, oh is that what it's like there's. There's some elements of of truth there. But you know, also some some wild imagination. I bet they they had the phones with the helmets in them the helmet phone to talk about who they were going to drop. Right, right. I actually liked that movie. But I know a lot of people didn't all right. Kevin thanks for doing this. We encourage people go to the Rams dot com. And and check out the new stadium. And I'm sure we'll be talking to you. Good luck tonight. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it should be a fun one. All right. There's Kevin DEM off the COO of the ram. And I think Brian that one of the fun things about the draft is for me is watching the reactions of the fans in the stands out actual venue with the fourth pick. The raiders select Joe tob loss ski from Weeber. Stick. As certain fan bases can be relied on to hate eagle. Take no matter what. Wherever the pick is eagle translator pick. The giants fans are gonna hit their pick. The eagles fans are gonna hit their pick. And if you draft the linemen when somebody sees a skill position guy out there, you're done, right. The dodgers are playing right now in Chicago. We'll update you how they're doing. Big Laker news today. We'll get you the latest on that. Brian cabinet ski information. I'm John Ireland. Mason in Ireland ESPN LA Mason in Ireland show Brian candidates. Keep filling in for maize NFL draft later this afternoon. The Lakers have sending contingent of people to Philadelphia to interview money Williams. But again, all them the contingent is interesting. It is genius. Rob Pelinka Joey bus, Jesse bus Kurt, and Linda Rambis, and Tim Harris, the COO it really solidifies Brian that the Lakers, even though they're a billion dollar corporation are at heart a family business. Yes, it seems. That's what they're trying to present. And that's what they're taking with them to sell money Williams on. Well, I think reflexively this stuff with magic, by the way is part of family. It's not like they went way way off the reservation to go. Get Magic Johnson. But I think the reaction the genie shows is to go even more. So to that like, Linda Rambus whose people are surprised by, you know, whether you know, rec- on Twitter like, wait. What who where she been? She's always been she's longtime been genie buses, very trusted confidante inside the front office. You know on the on the business side they brought back hurt last year. Like all the selling. She's surrounding yourself even more. So with people that she knows and trusts in the wake of being. At the risk of being hyperbolic betrayed by the person, she might have trusted the most. And what's interesting about the fact that she has tightened the circle of trust is I think people need to remember that Mitch Cup check. And Jim Buss who are running basketball before this left genie out of things didn't include her in decisions. One of the things. That's come out is is Ginny feels very strongly that had they looped her in on the Chris Paul trade that she could have saved it. She had spent a bunch of time with the owners in new how mad everybody was at the big market teams and knew that the timing for that would be awful wait a week. And that she said literally she could have had she been on the loop. There said, hey, we can do this. But we can't do it. Now. I just got out of a meeting with these people absolutely furious at the advantages that big market teams out and you're about to land a major superstar. Dr and drop your cat and make more yourself. Really? It was a brilliantly constructed trade areas. No way there won't be blow back on the steel. But since they didn't include her, right? She couldn't save it. And since that day, I think she said, okay. From now on I'm only working with people I trust. And and to your point I think she trusted magic implicitly until he decided to walk away without telling her first. And then when that happened. It's like, okay, I'm writing with these people because I know they'll never stab me in the back. And and that's why those people everybody on that plane today, she trusts implicitly. And I think she knows there's going to be criticism. There's gonna be people that should yet. There's going to be people that say and you brought it up earlier that the Lakers should have more. Experience. More veteran basketball minds the best just the pit jaw Besse Jeannie says look we what's most important is that we present one solidified version of what we're selling. And I think that group will do that. I think they will what I think worries Lakers fans is what is that vision? How much buy in? Is there unle- these people are capable of executing visually. Rob Pelinka's talked about the throwing all in with free agency or Lakers can be able to attract free agents with this basketball infrastructure in place. You know, I it's it's not that rob Pelinka is necessarily stupid. He's not a guy doesn't understand how the NBA works. But is he somebody who's respected by players and executives around league as trustworthy as somebody who if he goes up and tells a player and Bill or who we had on earlier, you know, has had a story out where one of the things, and there was like, you know, we told Larry Nance, we're never going to trade you for anybody. Who is in the top three player in the Lee. Larry Nance was trying to figure out. Should I buy a house? Here is is and his fiancee, we're trying to figure that out and said, we're not going to trade you for anybody. That is in the top three top four guy. He got traded for cap space. Right. Who, you know, pretty good? But. The that. That's not what he was told that kind of thing damages your credibility with players is that something that could hurt the Lakers down the road. If players don't buy into raw point, if they don't think he's trustworthy of other executives don't. And so that's the issue. Do they have the best because this is where the Lakers can spend all their money and an out do other people is in front office positions. You know, the the medical infrastructure all that stuff. That's where the Lakers can flex and the concern is that they're not the dodgers in Chicago right now, it is one nothing in the bottom of the six. So they're going to the seventh of that one thing lead. Greg. I gotta dodgers question for you. Did you host dodgers extravaganza last night? No the last night was Tuesday. Okay. But it's locker. Locker but on both Tuesday and Wednesday night. And you brought this up off the just wanted to bring it on. Cody Bellinger is not only the hottest dodgers hitter. You could make a statistical argument he is the hottest April hitter of all time of all time. Explained to me, he hit another home run or a double last night. Rated RBI double last night. Hit a home run last night on. Okay. To explain to me why he sitting fourth today. Correct. Explain to me why Cody Bellinger was batting six on Tuesday and Wednesday night. So the reasoning that the dodgers are putting him in the six, but I don't agree with it. Just to be clear is because in the past he has not been the best against lefties. And so, but that's not true anymore. No not this year. He's actually hitting thirty percent of his hits have been against lefties. So and he's betting right around three hundred against left. He's this year with an over nine hundred PS, he's mashing less lefties, basically, but along with everybody else, but they're putting him down there, basically because they assume that he has he's been so poor against lefties in the past that they're giving their loading it up on righties at the top there. So you're seeing key k and Justin Turner and AJ Pollock and David freeze dried again, I I understand I understand the theory. You just put forth, that's just the theory. Okay. But they're so driven by analytics and statistics, and he's killing lefthanders you why don't they pay attention to those numbers? Well, didn't it didn't talk to about like thinking deeper into the game about lineup combinations. None of this gift. Tell me that meant say in the air, the extra-base the total basis stat that you told me he has eighty four total bases before may first. The major league baseball record is eighty five total bases not include walks, by the way. Right. And so we're talking about a guy who is not just hot. But white-hot scorching hot. You. Don't bet that guy six. I don't care what your logic is. He doesn't bet six. So maybe today. Right. Maybe today they came to their senses. I know they're going to put a righty with another. They're gonna left. He was John Lester. Okay, blah, they woke up then they finally said, look he's so hot. We can't put him there. Anyway. Dodgers head one to nothing. All right coming up next. Major decisions being made by all NFL franchises tonight in the draft. Like the type of decisions that get people hired and fired. How important? Is character is what the player is like off the field or if he so good on the field. Does it even matter? We'll get into that coming up Brian McKnight in information. I'm John Ireland ESPN LA. All right Mason in Ireland show fast-track coming up in about twenty minutes, very excited about that. I'd good NFL draft coming up today. Sodano in Kirk Morrison will be here to do the Saddana show. And then Keyshawn coming in at five is that when the first pick is Greg at five, eight o'clock eastern. I think I think that's when it begins in and they go on the clock right in Arizona right now is on the clock, by the way, all you guys convince Zona taking Cuyler Murray. I am Mason's not very much. I Mason on Mason thinks they're they're pulling a misdirect is he is he good. Like, I I realize I'm asking us, very he's very good. But you know, what? Strange, and I know new people, you know, what? So speaking of which. What what is strange about Murray detractors is they will point out that he's very good. But he's five nine and the last quarterback taken in the first round under six feet tall. And I think one of the only ones taken under six feet tall in the last twenty years was Johnny Menzel. And and so a lot of people worried about kind of Mary's height. What's interesting? This height. That bothers me. It's it's his is wait like I'm five nine, you know, one eighty something. And like, I the idea that I'm big enough to play quarterback professional football is absurd and people always make like the Russell Wilson cop. Like we'll Russell Wilson short. Russell Wilson's almost two hundred twenty pounds. He's not small. He's short. There's a difference. Kyla Murray is both. And so I just worry like can a guy like that hold up like long term. And if he can't run as much as you used to, you know, at some point his career. What does that mean? I just but I was wrong about Baker Mayfield last year too. But Baker mayfield's short, but bigger. Yeah. He's a rounder zone wide thick dude. Right. Who also runs and that's also a little bit worrisome for him as well. They have to learn how to slide and they need just like Russell Wilson does the market. He's sliding can Cuyler Murray. Make all the throws and do all. Or is. He just tells you anything from what we've seen in college. Yes. You can. But I don't know. I'm I believe that Josh Rosen is the typical is a prototypical quarterback for the NFL and can be a very good when he was behind a very bad offense of line last year didn't get that much playing time. And when he he didn't really have a receiver. He didn't have receivers offensive line. Didn't have a running back besides David Johnson. I just okay. So speaking of all this speaking of like whether or not you should draft somebody. All us for an example, Nick Bosa who most people think we'll go second tonight. Nick Boese has an interesting history. He Greg he got in trouble for liking white supremacists. Social media posts right nationals, and he follows white nationalist. Okay. In some of the black reporters who covered the draft felt that Greg. Do you know who they were? Specifically, the Mike Freeman talked about it Bucky Brooks talked about it. There was others. The both Mike and Bucky both African American both really good respected reporter said that if Nick Bosa were black, and he was liking those posts that I should get this. Right. Greg read specifically what they they're suggest. Here's Mike Freeman. He says Bosa has been following white nationals accounts with some of the most violent disgraceful content. You'll see there's other disturbing things. He's done on social media. A black player who did the equivalent would see his draft stock tumble. Like Nadia comes as she's a famous, Jimmy, Jimmy dot dot dot crickets. Brian. Do you buy that? Do you think of Nick Bose's black eight drops his drafts? It's obviously a weird thing. Just because you're talking about, you know, wait house, a black guy white Nebot set that aside like whatever the equivalent is something character wise being. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I don't think there's any question that the, you know, the lies in both stock dropping will a he's really really good. I think people are reluctant to start. Parsing people's political views, and what Bosa will say is. I'm a conservative, you know, there's never an excuse for retweeting, white nationalist of. But if you are a very conservative person and you follow political Twitter. It's possible something pops up your time. You don't realize who the sources, whatever you tweet something out of whatever I, you know, that's that's the defense that people would make the third thing is, and I think this is not to be under understated the NFL's very conservative league. Well, especially at the ownership. Yes. Yeah. So you know, it's just it's a it's a very both small c conservative league. And I've demographically certainly more than the NBA certainly more than than other sports, politically conservative. And so he's just not going to get as much blowback from the general public get a lot from the media, but not from the general public, Greg. You have said in the past that you will not watch Mel Gibson movies. Well, not if you are GM, would you draw? Nick bosa. I because of what Brian was just saying that they're very conservative conservative sport. And that's just kind of how they do things me personally. No. I wouldn't. I don't want that type of player on my team. I don't want somebody especially a most of the NFL is black. And so if you're a white national supporter, and you're gonna be in my locker room that's going to cause a rift in the locker room, and I don't want that. So no, I would not go back to Mike Freemen's because it is important. I mean, I think most I know we don't talk politics on the show, but it's not hard figuring out a lot of us on the station. Kind of where we are politically and things like that. I don't want to say like a Trump supporter is a white nationalist. But that's not what this ought to be an a player in any league should be able to freely have conservative us or liberal views or whatever that might be an fans should generally leave them alone about stuff like that. This is different is Mike Freeman go back to another one. That's tweets, you know. It's a false choice. Bs argument. He's been an active participant in following in backing extremist anti people of color views from white nationalism. Biggest that's not politics. And so what you have to figure out as a GM is what are you bringing into your locker room because there plenty of conservative guys. I'm sure in the Rams locker room that disagree politically with other guys. But there's a difference between being conservative and being a racist, Nina. Make sure you're not bringing racists in your locker room. So you guys do a lot that you need to do the due diligence on this to make sure you know, is he just a dumb kid, or is he actually believed some of this stuff. It'd be a red flag for me. I mean, there's a lot of the guys I can take it. That's right. Is it's not hard. I mean, how hard it be defined guys at Ohio State and be like, what do, you know, about the dude, you know, what's he like who's he hanging out with, you know, it's it's not that complicated. All right fasttrack right around the corner coming up next the latest on the Luke Walton. Kelly tenant lawsuit. Brian cabinets key for I'm John Ireland? ESPN LA may send an Ireland show Brian Chemnitz as information, I'm John Ireland. We get fast-track coming up in ten minutes. Later today. George Sodano Kirk Morrison and Keyshawn taking you through the NFL draft, which is set to start in a little more than three hours at a five o'clock Pacific time. The Arizona Cardinals are on the clock. All right story, all of ESPN dot com released. Little after ten AM this morning. I'll simply read it the Sacramento Kings and the NBA announced today, they have started a joint investigation into the allegations made in a civil suit by former sports net reporter Kelly tenant against coach Luke Walton and tenant claim that he sexually assaulted her in twenty fourteen quote the kings in the NBA take these allegations very seriously, and we'll collaborate to conduct a complete and thorough investigation. The team in league said in a statement the kings investigation will be led by Suen Dermot din, the founding partner of Sacramento law firm, van Durman mattox and Jennifer dowdy a senior associate at the firm. The NBA is investigation will be led by Elizabeth marrying. Her the league's senior vice president and assistant general counsel. Integrity and investigations. I think Brian it's smart for both the league and the NBA to put three women in charge of this. I think that is probably a good look. I also think that after watching Kelly's press conference and seem Luke's attorney respond to the press conference that. At least in the short term. A settlement is unlikely. It seems like both sides are pretty interesting. I mean, I I don't know if it's smart good legal strategy. Whatever Luke Walton attorney is very very aggressive. Yeah. He referred to. Kelly Tannen is an opportunist. I in his first statement. And then in the second says, you know, we will defend this. According she will never see a dime. Like, it's really a guest twin indicates the opposite of a settlement. Meanwhile, the dodgers continuing in Chicago and the dodgers got out of a messy situation in the bottom of the seventh in which they had to on the cubs at two on and one out, but the dodgers get out of it. And they're hanging on clinging to a one nothing lead. Our top story today has been the fact that Bill Orum who joined us at twelve thirty has been reporting that the Lakers have a contingent of people on the way to Philadelphia to. Interview. Monty Williams Williams is going to be in Philadelphia today. Tomorrow hops on a plane to Toronto where the Sixers these an assistant for the Sixers. The Sixers open a series against the raptors Saturday in Canada. So he'll be interviewed by the Lakers people today, and then Phoenix makes a run Adam tomorrow time run time, you gun Galil times reporting the timer on Lou and Juwan Howard have already met with the same group. And here's the group. Jeanie Buss, rob Pelinka, Joey bus, Jesse bus Kurt, and Linda Rambis and COO Tim Harris. The message. This seems to send Brian to me is that an it's consistent with everything. I believe from the beginning Mason believes the opposite. Is that there is no and perhaps never was a shadow executive. There is no secret. Bob Myers deal behind the scenes that he's leading the charge to. Yeah. No. There is no is by the builder. There is no secret. And by the way, I'm I I am not committed just about Myers any Bob any Bob will do. Bob cat Gulf. Wait. Sure. Get me Odin Kirk yet from. No. But I think that when when you put that group together and for those you don't know Joey is the Lakers scouting director. He found Kyle. Kuzma, he found Josh Hart. He found you know, they they were not like they were under a rock. No. But a lot of people. They liked them. They have drafted this guys. He found Thomas Bryant who's turned out to be a pretty good player found Evita zoo. Bots turned out to be pretty good released is now. Well, what what the Lakers have decided to do since they were trying to caps to favorable. Yes, he bus. They got rid of of eat Suzuka. Are they got rid of Thomas? Bryant keep pizza zoo bots. Zoo bots to get Mike move Scala. Yeah. But in Joey bus has run the G league team. Those guys have been great. Been great curtain. Linda Rambus have seemed to move up the ladder. They're very close friends with genie, and she trusts them. And they seem to be playing key advisory. Roles and Tim Harris runs the business side of the Lakers. Very smart guy used to be an all American soccer goalie, and then went to work for the Lakers and has risen to the top of the chain. He's. He's in charge of any business. He's basically genie's conciliatory on the business side. And that parts of like who genie is very good of the NBA ends of this stuff. She says, I don't know about the basketball. And that's why I want good basketball people running it for me. I agree with you. This is who they've got. And this is what they're running with. Because it doesn't make a lot of sense. If Bill is correct that in terms of the theory of why maybe they haven't spoken because if you say we're going out and getting some somewhere aiming big, and then you don't it's another bad look for the organization, but the flip side is if you thought you were going to hire somebody to take Magic's job, and then that person would have the flexibility to run the basketball department might mean, keeping rob Pelinka or might not you don't do that backwards there. You know, you don't hire. Or do you? If there's a shadow executive if that's what Bob the builder says to do you do it? But like you don't. Hire the coach and then go backwards and higher the executive. You don't have fill out the staff, and they go backwards and hire the executive. So that makes me think that's just not where they're doing. And so yeah. Yeah. The thing with the coaching is the only real rush here is if you really want Monty Williams, there's competition if you think ultimately, you're gonna settle on Tyler or you're just as happy, then, you know, you want to get that second interviewing with Williams. See what everybody thinks take the temperature. But if you don't get him, it's not the end of the world because you know, you have this other guy here coming up next his fast track. I've got questions for Brian. He's got him for me. We do it every day at this time and its next ESPN LA.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3)

"Morial day and. It's not. But it's it is going to be Memorial Day for us in. Minutes. It's been Memorial Day for Rosh for like three weeks started early. I got to start looking at the calendar. I just assumed things and I go from there, your life is one big Memorial Day. It's like groundhog day, but Morial day. It's always a good one. You have plants. We are having tomorrow night, it's like a dinner party of my daughter's school friends. Oh, grabbing some people we liked the families? Do they listen? Do they listen to this? Yeah. I don't think they do. Okay. So we can be honest are you're looking forward to it No, actually, I'm all right. I happen to like these families, because if I were in a similar situation that would be a realtor Ag we've gotten lucky like we've actually gotten really lucky that my daughter has gravitated towards friends that we actually like the parents, as you're stuck with them. That's good. Like if your if your kid chooses friends that you don't like the parents, you're stuck on play dates with those parents for a while until they haven't choose the hot parents. There's a shocker. Yeah. What do I know? You celebrated Raj observes Memorial Day on a different calendar than the rest of us. But are you going to relive it you doing anything? Why not you do better to one barbecue? Friends Tara has some friends in town and all coming over saying at the house. So have some college cats over the three hundred sixty five days a year on your calendar. How many aren't Morial? When I come here. Well, he used Easter is used to get hammered. Yes. Not look at Easter. Observe Easter typically would fall into that category. You're celebrating. I mean look, as somebody, celebrate, as somebody who never was even around Easter until I got married, because my wife is Jewish. I grew up Jewish never around Easter. I will say this, there's more liquor and up than I thought there champagne, but it's not it's not single Saint Patrick's Day, and paint depends Easter you go to maybe, maybe I'm going to more conservative easter's or hey, what about, you know, they lows, you know, we have it. All right. Jaggi. He's going to be broken down. Harry potter? Morning. What's felt let's make clear. Magic pertinent juice into one. I'm gonna go watch the couches clinch the big west. Nice. Yes. Today, the can do it tomorrow. But the forty four eight Raj. You can grant of you said they got all the way up to number six and six. Yeah. There's six in one poll, they were eleven at as lowest pious six as low as eleven in one, but they're going to host a regional in Vegas. No less potentially. So that's a road trip to show from there. Sounds like a road trip. We'll do the show from there. Right. The bucks are on the verge of getting closed out in either they, they were at home last night. They been really good at home. They hadn't lost three games in a row all season long. They've now dropped three in a row to Toronto one. Oh, five to ninety nine last night. Jaanus was okay. But the rest of the pucks have been far far from okay and feels like this thing it's just went from. Okay. Bucks won the most games in the regular season. They have the home court. They jump out to they're going to the finals to now they got their life support. Yeah. I mean and quiet Leonard has been as good as anybody in the playoffs during this postseason that team has more. Appearance quiet Leonard Danny green have championships. And then, as far as other guys like you know, Mark assault into the finals before or the, the conference finals before Kyle Lowry has been the cower conference Lyles before. Like there's nobody that's more experienced who matters on Milwaukee than Toronto has. And I think that experienced does actually start to play a factor when games are going to be tight, and you knew I at least I thought going back to Toronto, they've got an opportunity to make this back into a series again because that's such an incredible crowd to play in front of and ultimately, to Nick nurse made the decision that it was clear. He was trying to avoid, which is all right. Co I you've got to be the primary defender on Yoenis, but it's made a huge as the series that Jaanus is for production has gone down significantly since they put Hawaiian coli co is the best player left in the playoffs. He's not on the best team. But he I at least I don't think so, but he's, he's the guy that's doing the most right now him and curry probably. And Yoenis is the MVP probably will win the MVP Sherwin them, you should win the MVP, but he has not been great. Here's Janas after last night's loss of his leave, you know, you know, pissed I'm not allowed to but just got to keep, you know, keep your head up. Keep billing yourself. No keep the confidence. No tried to, you know. Pick up your teammates and tell them like we can do this. We got two more games. The government can do this. Great habit. We've been plan gray basketball year. We've been a good Tim as much as piece of this game. It's it's in the past. Now just gotta keep living the same living will be working on and the. My team if he's gonna pick his teammates up if the bucks are going to win two in a row in win these conference Janas has to go to that spot where we see. And by the way, he's entirely capable of it. But it's one of those things where you watch him and through, you know, sixteen seventeen minutes of the first half. You're thinking, okay. There's no answer for that. There's nothing he's having one of those nights where he's making shots. He's Baroness way to the basket. There's nothing we can do because if he's looking at Eric Bledsoe brook, Lopez Chris Middleton, or any of these other guys to bail him out. It's not going to have to say, especially from outside. The walkie has been a really good three point shooting team all year. But as these playoffs has gone along, they've started to get cold and you look at yesterday, they shoot thirty two percent. Ten thirty one. Two of those come from Yoenis Jaanus is not expecting to be one of your outside threats. You've got brook Lopez going, one of four blood. So two of seven Malcolm brogden, ov- six Nico miratec. He may be out of the rotation. He's because can't hit outside shot. What's so also it's been easy to forget because last year you only played nine games. Listen to me in Los Angeles. All the weird stuff with uncle Dennis. And then being in Toronto on load management. It's easy to forget just how damn good choas. Yeah. He's been amazing. The other thing too. That is the further. You get into the playoffs the more obvious. It becomes the regular season and the playoffs. It's almost like different supports. Yeah. It's just so different that, though the way that it's played the intensity in which it's played the way that it's coached, the rotations tighten up significantly instead of playing, you know, nine maybe ten guys night, you're playing seven, maybe eight that your two or three guys that usually a regular part of you, do they don't even get on the court, you're asking so much more of your very best guys. And that's why experience is such a big factor that coli as inscrutable as Leonard is. There's no question that he's not scared. Well, there's no question that he's see that he seemed like, oh man. This is big this. There's a lot of people here. This is really noisy the intensity there. This is all something that he's familiar. I would think too. Also, I mean teams often take cues from their leader and co is the best player on this team. I, however he leads as a mute. You know that's how he goes doing it. But they're gonna unique choice. It's different. It's outside the box. But like his temperament they're going to take those cues from him. He is one of the most methodical just Terminator type players like he never looks rattled by anything. No, like right down to, he's one of those guys if you ever even seen him argue with a raff. No. Well, it was funny when he met the shot in game seven against philli, and he was hanging. We were all on the edge of our seat. And he's in the corner, and impedes looking. He's looking the when it finally dropped through, and that outburst of emotion obviously comes out, and it's like, oh, he, he does he has okay, well, that's new. But I would never see nevermind argue with I'd never seen them get excited. But I would think that when you go down. Oh, two in the Eastern Conference finals. And you've got that type a Lee. Leader, your best player is somebody that you would never know the difference if they're up to you, you wouldn't even know if Kawai knows they're down to like he actually been informed that they're colline this kind of big one. Yeah. I mean, like go idea and that probably helps. And then, of course, there's the ripple effect on what, what is about to happen. If if in fact, the raptors advance, does it change the way the quite feels about Toronto. If in fact, they go to the finals in win. Does it change the fact that maybe he stays because we, let's be honest. We've never seen the best player win a championship and then walk out the door. I mean I'm maybe I'm missing something. But LeBron left Miami after they lost. We see guys leave and go somewhere else, and we see great players changed teams every once in a while, but I'm struggling to come up with a guy that one each ship and said, thanks, everybody. I'm out he's pretty unusual to find a team go-to player go to the finals and then leave that team. Did you see by the way that? Some real estate magnet, Sam Simon mass offered Kawai, a penthouse in Ilana, interro stays like they're also reading on the free Penn house Frey penthouse now what you're thinking. Place to live place to live. Make sure that it's clear what he what he got house, the other. Other president. I don't even know anymore. That they got five bucks. I mean, that was one of those industries that sort of the online porn kind of took much guilt it. But like there's this promotion going on, like choline and dine where like all these different restaurants are offering Kawai free food for life. If he stays so. Okay. But think of the same thing we were talking about what makes a good leader. What makes co I so dangerous in these situations is because he doesn't seem to kind of feel it the way that I don't wanna say, regular people feel it. But most other athletes, feel it is probably the same thing that would allow him to whatever's about to happen happen, in say okay bye. I've even say goodbye. He just might short somewhere else and be like, yeah, I play here. Now, this whole thing has been so bizarre that if he ended up signing with San Antonio, like after all of this wouldn't be that we're that would surprise me. But I mean just if all of a sudden quite you know what I've thought about it. And I'm okay with San Antonio. Like I'm okay with the Spurs there. Yeah. That's. And that's what it'd be going back. Tony, why I like it there. I mean okay. Like, like kyri Irving is, I think the most unpredictable star in the league like he is hard to figure out okay because because he's so publicly all over the place. Yes, coli is hard to figure out just for the exact opposite reason. Here's the difference between coli and kyri. Kowa is genuinely strange. He really is. I mean he's just become because of all the reasons we just we have no idea not a negative thing. Just he's different. He's a different guy Kyrie's trying to be weird and guys that are trying to be weird or the worst guys that because you, you clearly are calculating this to, you know what I'm going to going to be eccentric. I'm gonna be weird. I'm gonna say the earth is flat. I'm going to do all these things, too. So people will come and say, oh, wow, will your interesting. Well, you're, you're, and you're not co is just that weird dude. And those are far more those raw those waters are for more interesting to me than kyri, who's, like, look how interesting and odd and out of the box, and he's trying too hard. He is trying really hard. But I mean there's an effect with it. I mean like it affects his teammates, we've seen the mood in Boston since he became more prominent this season. You know, we saw what went on in Cleveland. And it's interesting actually I saw Espy nation. I can't remember the writer there. Cleveland blogger. Wrote about how lately, Koby Altman the GM and Cleveland's been talking about how you know getting a little bit of time. We did. All right on that trait, because the initial hall wasn't great, but they turned a lot of those assets into different better. Assets. Hirees could be one of those guys that every team he leaves there's going to be nobody waiting there at the door telling him say, please ginger minded say. It's like yeah. Okay. Bye. Good luck. That's just how he rose the sprint people's hotline in riverside, and Anthony on the morning show. What's up? The show. I don't think the Lakers will be able to find anybody to free agency. So I think trade is only option. But what's the reason United States, teams aren't making trade with the Lakers? Is it because it'll like Pelinka the because they don't wanna wake up a sleeping giant. What is the reason they don't make the traits with the Lakers? Right now, as far as the assets, the Lakers had the young players. This question marks with them like until Brandon Ingram shows that this deep what was it deep vein thrombosis, vein thrombosis, the blood caught like that. That's not an issue he's going to be really difficult to move right now. Lonzo's had health issues and has played only ninety nine games in two years. Who's was good last year. But didn't take the leap that people hope for Josh heart had injuries the whole year and didn't progress, you know, take that second year leap that I think he had he had counted on the team encountered on. So I still, I think they're assets are good, but they're not great the way at one point. They were looking like they were going to be I think that that's the number one reason is that the assets that, and this is just typical of any fan base that you think your pieces are more attractive than other places do that. Did the way than Lonzo in Ingram and Kouzmin hearten? Those guys are viewed is far different outside of Los Angeles than in Los Angeles. And the other part is and don't and I think it's a. Direct result. Or I, I should say this is a reflection of what's going on to the place. The Lakers are mess. It's not that the people won't trade with the Lakers. It's at the Lakers can't get their act together that everything that the Lakers have done for the last few months has been a circus. The way that they conducted the entire New Orleans thing was a mess. The way that they've tried to do a bunch of these different things have been a mess that it's not just at teams won't trade at the Lakers. It's at the Lakers. Can't put something together that teams actually won. I know you know this one Andy, I know this one, you know this what you got happy birthday heavy d. Would have been fifty two years old today, that feels young does well he passed young. I just feels like he would have been older just because I mean he, he came to prominence in the eighties. Right. Six was when this came out, eighty six or eighty seven Manny must have been really young things. I mean that we got three three years off that right? I didn't realize he was that young when he became requested this particular so, yes. Again. Take it up with L z taping up with key. I'm the tape with Rosh on the only guy who didn't call you fat. Okay, killed on. That's true. That is the only guy who did do what you're saying right now is an accurate statement. I could make the case, though, that what you said about him was actually for worse. Say better or worse. I said that. Well. See any of you, you agree because you're not arguing that you didn't call him fed. But broke down off the grid is for worse than with Robin myself up as a good person. I'm just saying I didn't call him fat. That's bad. The that's clearly what upset shaggy was being referred to as that tension. And I didn't know why it was the problem that guys in there. And he's back gave you the background with all about it. But he didn't. Yeah. All right. Windhorst was on TV yesterday talking about LeBron with relation to kyri and Kawai. And then coming to Los Angeles, and he called him, the who what the Tampere in chief. Here's Brian Windhorst. You seen the Lakers roster at the. Physician to be too picky. He is been from what I understand. He has already begun the recruiting process. He is. I've heard he has had contact with Kawhi Leonard. I've heard. He said, contact with Jimmy Butler others no tampering enforcement by players. And while Magic Johnson, the, the guy who got in trouble for tampering before is no longer there LeBron is tamper in chief of the Lakers. Right now, the thing about it is I don't know if you know, texts and calls, and maybe a dinner with LeBron is enough for the Lakers to overcome their hurdles that they're going to have. And so I think the Lakers can be choosy. In fact to be honest with you guys on the Lakers really after look at the trade market. How willing were they to move that number four pick, would they be willing to make an offer for Bradley Beal? Would it be billing to make an offer for a guy like Duarte Rosen possibly could be on the trade bloc depending on whether the Spurs wanted to extend his time track would want to wait. If for Anthony Davis, a year from now, these are the big decisions, the Lakers, have, I really don't think they can honestly, think that they're going to get Kawais kyri or Kevin Durant, even if they have LeBron Esther leave recruiter. That's the issue right? There is. And I've been saying this for months, it's not just Kyrie Durant in Koi. It's Jimmy Butler. It's Kimba Walker. It's take your pick of any of the tier. One guys is do any of these players have the Lakers, as they're if they're doing their lists. Okay. In a perfect world like to go here. And then here and then here are the Lakers, the top line on anybody's wishlist of these free agents. I could see Jimmy Butler because Jimmy Butler, I think a wants to get paid, and whoever the Lakers, pick up. They're gonna be paying and he wants the spotlight. Jimmy Butler likes a lot of people watching Jimmy Butler. Yes. So Jimmy Butler going to be comfortable having to be though a number two guy. And I know that Simmons and Embiid or one in one a in Philly. But that was that was a short time, he had to be on his best behavior, because he was hitting free agency. That if all of a sudden, he's got guaranteed money over long-term years. And he sees LeBron starting to maybe not deteriorates wrong word, but lesson. I mean we, we saw the lessening of him this year to a certain point it's going to be okay with that. And he's having to defer to that guy. If Jimmy Butler capable of deferring to anybody I think it's going to be LeBron just because the, the commonality that we've seen with Butler challenging the younger teammates in Minnesota. And you know there were early reports of his per personality. Not playing well in Philly. It said, all of those guys, he could rationalize a'done more than you. I mean, I think you can make the argument that he hadn't actually accomplished, more than Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid, much less being better than Embiid. But I think you could see where he could rationalize it. There's no way he's going to be able to rationalize having done more than LeBron. So if if he's capable of doing it. I'm not a hundred percent sure that he is. I think four somebody like LeBron that would be the case. And I like I win Horst started that whole thing says, have you seen the Laker roster and this is where the familiarity of all this. I think the Laker fans and I'm a Laker fan and I do it to a certain point as well. But. The way that Laker fans value. Some of these guys is far different than the way that other teams evalu- Kyle Kuzma and Lonzo ball in branding. Not that they wouldn't like I mean Brandon Ingram and Lonzo ball with the second pick in the draft. Everybody knows they're good basketball players. But they both have huge question marks on 'em. Lonzo's health, Ingram's health and Lonzo has additional question marks because of the way he shoots and because of the way doesn't shoot. I guess better way of putting it. But these aren't guys that the whole league will will drop everything they're doing to get their hands on. You're gonna have to make them a good deal if they want those players coming back. You know, that's where that number four pick comes in. And it feels to me that if the Lakers end up drafting pick for themselves, it's because they couldn't work out a deal. Whether you're talking about for Anthony Davis, or I think Bradley Beal, although that just got complicated by him, not making the all NBA team. Because now he's not eligible for that super super max that maybe could have put the wizards in uncomfortable position because they've already got. One of those with John wall, who that could be employs Astor? Well, he's already slated to miss most if not all of next season with that achilles. And you know, it is hard to find players that recover well from that injury, much less guys. Like wall, whilst game was being the fastest guy world and the one of the most athletic. Yeah. Like one of the most explosive let's try sprint people's hotline in the Ernie earner on the morning show. What's up? Doing good just real quick. Under the I feel like Klay Thompson is actually the best actual fit in the situation. Everyone thinks that he's not gonna leave not gonna try to get that, that big money somewhere else, or go, you can't get the bigger money somewhere else he would get the biggest but now that he can't get the supermax. I mean, what do you think the opportunity would be Lakers to be creative, and maybe make him the highest paid player over a two year duration and get them out early? Let him out of contract early and maybe a re-sign after that, I mean, I, I think in less Golden State can still offer them the most money, even with him, not being eligible for like these supermax in less. They can still give the max right in less. Golden State decides not to give him the money, which feels unlikely he stayed in Golden State. I'm like, you know, we have a pretty good in with Klay over here, you know, working in the building with Michael and on and off the air. All Michael ever says is he's happy there. He's really happy there. And, you know, assuming the money's right. He's not going anywhere. Here's clay. Roll off your back. I mean, there's money vocations. Brings picks rings over money. I mean you could tell the video that made its way through the internet yesterday when a reporter told clay, he didn't know hey you didn't make all NBA team. And that the basically he just watched thirty million dollars. Go up in smoke. It's gone. He he's not gonna get it at least not right now. Clay. I think seems to me one of those guys that understands he's an incredibly unique situation in a market that loves him on a team that's going to be the favorites next with Kevin Durant comes stays, or whatever the warriors are going to be the best team or at least the favourite going into the season next year. They're gonna offer them all the money. They're going into a new building. He's got history. There's going to the hall of fame for a few extra. What's exactly to go somewhere else? I would love to see him here. I just can't come up with a scenario where it actually happens. Happy birthday, Patti LaBelle seventy five years old. She still performing to. Right. I think so. Once in a while. Patti LaBelle fan Indy I like her. I don't necessarily go out of my way to listen to her. But Shabbat really talented, great voice, rush. Right. Right. That's a hard. No, no. I mean, the Boyce's cool disown dime. Remember the video, but it's not like I wouldn't never copped, a CD or anything. She's one of the she's one of those artists, Mike. Yes. She's good. I don't go out of my way to listen to her. Now, the, the good story is how much we the Franklin didn't like her. Yeah. Oh, they hated each other. Yes. The. Yeah. Retha was lie. Well, I mean, a real better he can tell that story. Better read the Franklin, you know, was better than Patti LaBelle better than everybody. I mean, read the Franklin is one of the greatest, the Queen of soul, one of the greatest ever, but she was also like a diva with a capital G and not not afraid, not afraid to throw some shade around. I like that would need one. Wow, goodness. See, now you've ruined. I mean, she just left us Rosh. She just started. See, you know, sometimes just saying, sentences, not starting any I mean hasn't even been hearing who started they did. Did. First of all, hold up. All right. Yeah, but okay. Your version of me starting at wasn't really me starting. It was you guys being juvenile. You look like slipped up. Look, ketones calling me should we answer on speakerphone? Yeah. Make sure that he knows. He's on the radio. He you're on you're on the air. Man. What's going on? We can't hear them rush, which I think means no one else can hear me there, not working, you're gonna have to have it on speaker, rush. Because of Andy school meal and soul schooling you to clean soul daddy Bill. He school, you get even though all of that. I thought of it. I'm the one that brought it up. Are you listening? Listening in, you didn't bring it up. It was a song that was brought up, but Andy certainly educated. You'll now okay, how's my neighborhood lucky for wherever you can get? That's okay. Being behind them case. We listened to Barbara Streisand and you know. Where are you on Patti LaBelle key traffic, so your traffic? Call you back. Hang on, we'll try to reconnect with key here. Two minute. The m QB money Monin quarterback, Peter, king's site, they had their all NFL small team in three Rams are actually on the all NFL small team. Couple of them. I think are pretty obvious with Brandin cooks, five ten hundred eighty three pounds to kill Roby Coleman. The guy who had the penalty that wasn't a penalty heard around the world, five eight one hundred eighty pounds by NFL standards. That's miniscule, but the guy in less, you realize literally mean. Yeah. Described me on eight one seventy five eighty and he's played in the NFL and playing really well yeah, those guys too. But the other one is a think unless you really follow the Rams you don't know this because you think of him because he's the best player in the league is Aaron Donald Aaron Donald is a small guy for a defensive tackle at six one to eighty he's the littlest guy at that position in the league or you, you also forget it because you can tell even though says, what is going on around Roz, is it makes sense, high key. Do you own the Queen of soul? Can you hear me key? Oh, hey. Hey, how are you? Our things down in my neck of the woods. We're getting there. We're not quite there yet. Okay. All right. Patch me in mysteriously or. Yeah. No, he's, he's doing what he does. He's, he's putting you on. Oh, okay. Well, it's, it's better than not being on f issuer. Why not? Yeah. Why why, why not? Who are you in there with Andy and, and who will just mean Indy? Okay, okay, offer some reason I thought DeMarco was going to do the pre and post with you, DeMarcus not. I haven't heard Chris. Chris arro-? No, no. Chris off today to Chris show four day weekend. Interesting. Yeah. I hope he comes back. All right. Because, you know, he'll go on eating bench. Did you did you watch last night? Did you watch the bucks in the raptors idea, walk the books in the rappers last night? If the raptors wind is call I stay in Toronto you think anything's that the result is going to dictate potentially what he does. I think he's leaving regardless. I remember I told you the other day. -absolutely aggrieved at it's very hard to lead a championship. You're not leaving. What are you leaving for what's the point? Like you wanna championship. If you go to championship is different but winning it if you beat go, the state, why would you leave because there's no point in leaving I okay? I would agree with that ninety nine times out of a hundred. But I think the one guy that would do that because he's just such a hard guy to figure out because he doesn't say anything because he operates differently than almost any NBA superstar ever is quite Leonard. What have you ever seen a superstar of any sport? Leave a championship. Team on their own. But when if you ever seen a superstar never say a word for ten seasons of them. A lot of people are quiet. Consett superstars quiet. Everybody's not outgoing outspoken. But you never see a superstar player win a championship in decide on his own. Well, you know, I don't like it. I'm leaving. It doesn't if that feeling that come Roderick, and that team all sort of there's something that, that connects that Matthew moves. It's a different story or if the front office of management say, well, you know, you'll expensive, we don't wanna sign that's different but people don't lead championships. They just don't do it. That's why it's hard to believe that even a guy like Kevin Durant would even decide to leave Golden State. Wait. You just don't or Klay Thompson, or any of these guys you just don't lead. When you win. Let me ask you this because I'm sure you've been in this situation before when it comes to figuring out where you wanna go next. And, and having those choices like, when you hear about co Leonard specifically it comes down to the idea of he wants to be in southern California, and that's the end of it like how. Much. Do you think just that location thing could end up being the Trump card, regardless of how good is team is in Toronto how long do you want to be in southern California, though, because you think about it basketball season? You're moving all over the place you're flying in and out. You're practicing you're working, you're doing a whole lot of things. Now, think about it this way. If the off-season comes, you can come in California, anytime you want. It's hard to lead they chant shipping. Now, if you say that doesn't matter your money's gonna be money. No matter where you go. Thanks are gonna open at nine ten o'clock, every single day, five days a week. Now you factor in team. Then you factor in geographic weather, the region. All of those are things, but the team is important, the players that you play with LeBron James is very important. Piece of whomever comes to Lakers because if you ask yourself, this would LeBron chains sign with the Lakers. If he was a free agent right now. Yes. I would say no. Well, here's, here's the question does the clip into the clippers have cap space, like if the clippers had the exact Jayme never joined the clippers. I don't know about that action. That's a bad look for him. Why? Because they're the clippers clippers job. He would jump from the Lakers to the clippers. He would do that would or would not. He would not. No, I'm not saying he would jump to the clippers. I'm saying if this summer, for example, you know, this summer were both these teams have cap space, like equal cap space, LeBron gets to make the choice. Does. He choose the Lakers of the clippers deal. Think he probably would choose. Lakers went through something. Probably would choose the clippers because Jerry West dot solid. It's solid. Plus you wanna talk about making your legacy. You bring them. Hell, you just get them to the Western Conference final. If you there Cleveland they're the Cleveland Cavs before they won the super sore. If he gets the clippers to a championship for sure if he gets them to the finals, maybe, but if none of those things happen that LeBron James is super aware of his place in the history of this league. He is in. He's really self-aware in the best possible way the what he would not want is the end of the line with him in pictures, and clipper, I know it's different than it used to be so far in Laker gearing looking, but it's never gonna look wrong. It's never gonna look never go. Look wrong, and the clippers and I tell this time. Yeah, they got some momentum and they won by not having all store players on the team went in, in played in the playoffs and all that stuff. Still the clippers dog. It's just uniform is like, like Travis saying he can't wear a uniform and it look, right? It just won't look. Right. And maybe maybe because that vision of him in a Laker uniform already embedded in my head, but certainly he was listened to Jerry weapon in everybody. Doc Rivers and those guys if he was available as a free agent right now. There's no question about it, but his job and his, his, his job right now is to take some study classes on how to recruit in be all in with recruiting the next star to come. Join him with the Lakers that's his job tamper in teeth key. Thanks for calling him. No problem. Stay out of trouble. See you later. Happy birthday, Mike Myers who turns fifty six years old today, of course, Wayne's world. You know, he's been the host of that gong show reboot. Mike myers. Yeah. Under heavy, heavy makeup, like he's playing a character Katie. I love it. Yeah. He's doing like a like a borat type thing Kaufman like. Yeah. You could put it down, though, well. So Mike Myers when he's got something good is incredibly funny. I mean, Wayne's world. Yeah. Really? Really funny. The first Austin powers. Really, really funny. That's why I said it away. I said it Mike Myers when he gets a hold of something Mike Myers Serna. Live on sprocket s- incredible incredible. I mean how married an axe murderer in credit is a pretty credibly funny movie when he gets his hands on something bad. Look out the love guru, for example out. Well, here's the thing with Mike Myers like his best. And worst attribute is he will one hundred percent go for it. And he's not afraid and that's going to mean you're step in it. Sometimes no doubt. He is not afraid to do something really weird. So I think you and I on the same page original Austin, powers really funny everything after that terrible. Wayne's world, really. Good segma- wasn't bad for you. I was just gonna say the Wayne's world to suspend Iki funny that had that girl in there. Yes. Oh, that's yeah. Yeah, no good movie. Yeah. All right. I mean, second Austin powers had had Graham. So she's complicated. Mix of anyway. So 'nother show mine aren't mixed, well, the problem land their mind. I don't wanna do that short segment. I could get a lot of trouble. What continue our conversation we're having with key about LeBron because you brought up a really interesting question that if let's, let's say LeBron's free agency was now and not a year ago, and he was looking at the landscape of the NBA as currently constructed the Laker infrastructure is smoldering on the side of the road. They have an ownership problem. I, I don't know why nobody wants to say this, but they do that the person at the top of this food. Jane, we spent so much time. We'll magic wasn't there. While he told her he wasn't gonna be there of backstabber will. Okay, fine. We can we can go through this Tim Harris got involved with basketball stuff, and he's a business. Okay. Okay, fine, the person at the top of this pyramid, the person that could have fixed, all of this, with the -ffective leadership, didn't then none of that has changed. She led magic. Johnson. Get to a point where he felt it necessary to go on ESPN and burn the Lakers to the grocery higher. Look at some point magic has been publicly lying about his setup with the Lakers and it because in the beginning he said, I'm going to be putting all my businesses to the side like this is the only thing I would ever be one hundred percent invested in then later on. I said me and. Yeah. Me, and Jeannie, worked this out where I would be in and out of the building. So he's he is lying on some count because he said two different things. But if he's being truthful with first Hake. And if nothing else that seems to be the way it shook out genie is at fault for allowing that setup to be there because that's impossible. You can't be the president of basketball operations in and out of the building. It's too big a job. This is my point we, we can criticize magic for being dishonest. We can criticize him for not working hard. All of these things are fair criticisms. If in fact, that's how it went. But regardless of which of those two things is true, she signed off on us yet, and she Jeannie has been she she has not been. Blanking on the word. She's been derelict. Introducing yes, she as a leader. She has been she indicator or lies by the by the chaos to instead of saying, I realize past, yes. And look she made a bad decision by either a hiring guy that was going to do a fulltime job on a part time basis. That's a bad decision. If magic did say to you, look, I got a lot of iron in the fire, and I'm not I'm not putting him out. I'm going to do them all. Then you say okay I completely respect that. But I can't have somebody doing this job, part time remain in your consultant role and we'll move forward. But we're not going to do that, if he did say, hey, I'm gonna do this, and you signed off on it and brought him in the second rob starts to knife him. You need to tell robbed a shut up you need, or you need to tell magic you need to be in the building on raising legit point Hake. Take a side pick a path in Vicks. We've seen this, though, on a lot of different counts with genie, as far as the ultimate say, in the organization, because the whole thing that went on last year with Luke Walton. Like, regardless of whether you looks good coach bad coach somewhere in between Laos and do better. It was clear magic wanted to get rid of him. And it was also clear that genie didn't want to. And at some point she was willing to sign off, but that's not the same thing giving your blessings. And at some point, she say low on the blood on her hands, her hands, but she didn't want the emotion on her hands and its some point genie needed either say, look, I don't like this, and it's hard for me emotionally, but I brought you into make these decisions. I'm going to divorce myself from how I feel about it or she needs to say, look, this is gonna be one of the rare times where I overrule you, because I don't think we need to get rid of Luke Walton, but I'm gonna get you me Luke, maybe LeBron in a room together. We're going to figure out what the problem is, if it's his staff, I'm going to tell him you need to upgrade, your staff, or I will fire, you, you need to be taking charge genie. I think wants decisions made four, we're, we're saying the same thing you, if you're the boss and the owner of the team is the ultimate boss. Okay. And you- you're gonna put your lieutenants in place. If you're lieutenants are fighting get rid of one of them. Yeah. And if one of them is not executing the orders to the way that you want them executed. Get rid of them, which you can't do is let them make decisions that are opposite of one another and sit there and just say, I don't know what I wanna do. I it the ownership with the Lakers is a big part of this. And to kind of bring up. We got a little sidetracked by this. But if LeBron were coming in I, I don't think there's any question that the that the clippers of disres- far as basketball, it goes, a better pick it. There's no question. But maybe I'm a little biased because L A guy and grew up here and the Magic Johnson, Lakers, were my favorite team is a kid. And that's kind of what I still have stuck in my head. But I think LeBron is as self aware of professional athlete is we've seen in a long time. I think he's incredibly aware of what his brand is, and what it means to the world. And I also think, though, Braun grew up in a world where the Lakers were the Lakers and the clippers were the clippers and the Braun was never going to ever allow. Himself to be photographed were clippers jersey.

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BGN Radio Special: The Pro Day Circuit with Andrew DiCecco

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BGN Radio Special: The Pro Day Circuit with Andrew DiCecco

"Welcome into a BGN radio special road as circuit addition. I am your host Michael cast followed by worked at bleeding relation dot com on Twitter at Michael kissed and fell as we ramp up towards the draft is important to pay attention to these days that have happened, especially if a player didn't test at the combine or to see if they improve upon their numbers with that in mind today, I had a phone call with Andrew dicicco of eagles wired to talk about the four pro days that he attended. But before we get to that we have some news to report the eagles are reportedly bringing in Memphis running back, Terrell Henderson for an official. Visit. Due. Staley worked him out at his pro day in must've liked what he saw with the news of this follow up remember on kissing Solex show eighty nine we covered the eagles top needs. We felt running back was one of those top needs. And on the next show will be going over our positional rankings for those positions. Which means we'll have a moment to talk about Henderson the guys around him. But some quick facts on Henderson. I on my big board. He's my running back to overtaking Rodney Anderson from Oklahoma who drops due to his injury history. And I really think Henderson is the complement to Howard that you want in the draft in his a real option at six fifty three and fifty seven in the second round. The guy is a home run hitter per these sports info solutions two thousand nineteen rookie handbook out of the twenty four running backs that they scouted for that. None had a higher yards per tote average than his ridiculous. Eight point nine nine had more yards after contact on average than Henderson's Wapping six point zero. Also, he led the group in yards per route run with two point eight which is just ahead of Alabama running back, Josh Jacobs. Another official. Visit that we talked about lot and that yards per out run is an important stat that brings important context. He's never had more than twenty five catches in his three years at Memphis. But last year when his usage increased he was still sharing time with twenty Pollard who was playing running back, but also was a former wide receiver for the previous two years at Memphis. So those passing snaps got shared between them. So you may look at his stat line for Henderson and say, it's not a strength. But I would argue the ability that he shown as receiver on tape. Not only on the short stuff went on routes as well. And the efficiency that he's shown to have. So you that you can comfortably project him to heavier use in that role in the NFL, which again is a great compliment to Howard who struggles in that area of than pass pro will be talking more about Henderson soon. But for now, let's kick it over to the chat with edgy check. Oh of eagles wire to talk about these keep roadies Edger. How you doing brother? I'm doing. Well, Mike about yourself on real well by first up Andrew plug. Yourself. Tell us about your background where we can find you on social media, and where we can find all of your excellent work. Yeah. Definitely. So so I've taken somewhat of a unconventional journalism two years ago running on who's actually written a few books he contributed to the small site code sports, talk Philly. He was like, hey, man. You know, you know, a lot about football. Do you ever consider giving writing shot, and I'm like, yeah. You know, I never really considered it. And you know, sent the editor some samples and brought me on kinda just took off from there. I didn't interview with Marcus Johnson. Which is actually my first big interview. And it was actually turned out to be his first real interviews. I mean him kind of stayed in touch ever since then too. He made the team and everything. So so a lot came from that. And then, you know, last summer started writing for the eagles are responding to tweet from around them for looking for contributor. I just started writing for him, and you know, movies beliefs that when you're giving a platform, it's up to you. What you make of it? All. Proves to be destroyed known right about some lesser known eagles. Greg wars shark treats the veins, you're Chen. So, you know, let's no during known to Alaska them that they do during the week just think and stayed with that the season, and it kind of just took off, and you know, as of January, but on the draft grinds. It's like, and I know you you focus a lot on some of the smaller school prospects on the lesser known prospects, and some of the lesser known guys even within the eagles like you mentioned, Marcus Johnson and guys like Joel Smith who every time how you're dug a chance to talk about Osman. They always praise him for what he does on the practice squad. Our in the scout team and everything like that. Is there a specific reason that you focus on those guys so much because they're they're a very undercover d- in undervalued part of this whole process yet. And the reason why I like you do that is because I've always been fascinated, but everybody talks about you know, what Nick foles those. You know Carson Wentz. Does you hear those stories around the week? And you know, they're kinda covered Nause. Nauseam. So I always interesting, you know, what is the practice squad. What's their routine like what's chase, solvents pants Ross? What's his background kinda what are some of the challenge? The D had to that. He had over come to get to where he is. And you know, I've always been advocate of the underdogs. I kind of consider myself the underdog is all kind of somebody just keeps your head down works, or and, you know, just keep chipping away and has that one goal in mind. So I kinda like to bring their stories to the forefront for fans, and I think it's awesome. The way that you build relationships with these players as you do that. And you've been a really busy man lately in that same vein. You've recently attended a good deal of pro days. Is this your first year covering pro days in in person in that fashion? Yes, sir. My first year. How do you? How do you like that experience? Was it everything you expected it to be or was it totally different. It was an unbelievable experience. You know, I had the opportunity to beat down there and Saint Petersburg for the east west shrine game. It's my first credential those I pretend to be credentialed member of the media. So that was that was an awesome offer -tunities there. And then, you know. I reached out to some schools, and they put me on their list for pro days. And I I had the opportunity to be, you know, have Mike K and boiling Emory home taking under their wing throughout the first three. And then when I went to Jinya, I drove from Virginia solo, and I did that one. But you know, it was an unbelievable experience. I've been going to the east west Ryan game the senior bowl for a couple of years now. And it's an awesome experience. Let's dig in our talk about some prospects because you bring up Virginia. And there's a guy on that roster that the eagles have brought in on an official visit that I'm a fan of that. I would love to see the eagles pick up in the second round of possible. But one Thornhill I think is the main guy that you were there to see how is his pro day on was phenomenal. He's he's stood on his his combine numbers were outstanding. So he decided to stand on. But he did do the field rose and even put through the drills by defensive assistant from the titans, and he will really good, man. Like age though, though easing the mold of Malcolm Jenkins. As just a very very diligent player. And you know, his appointment you talk about a guy who had thirteen career in career receptions of Jinya. So and and you told me beforehand that you had a special story about him that you haven't put out there that you were kind kinda saving for this, which I really appreciate your VGA radio. I'm sure the listeners will appreciate it as well. What happened with with one Thornhill that you wanna tell us about. Yeah. Definitely. So when I was talking to one I had opportunity to talk to him one on one after Flutie, and he's he's raining off these names of all these different thirty minutes. I'm like, no Philly, and he's like always only actually a couple maybe two weeks ago on then he he wanted. He took it further. You see easing urban the to its in state human, the place in the many things somehow essays actually came down here to give me a workout drive, it workout. And he no he said every liked him a lot. And I love the play under him is where his camp word. So I always found that little bit interesting because you know, you hear all. These different visits and this kind of the radar. So did he did he have an official visit. And that's where he was worked out. Or is that a separate deal where they worked him out privately beyond the official visit that he had gear. So I guess Tim. How actually came to Virginia before he went to? He went up there for the top thirty. So so he got he got looked at twice come out. Chauncey got put through proud of workout. Now you saw that come out yesterday. So you know, what I find it kind of you know, interesting that one's wasn't. Yeah. They doubled down on one which is interesting, and I really like want as a prospect. What else do you like about his game? I know you started these prospects for the NFL draft. Just like, you know, me and Benjamin select and we've talked a lot about him. What do you like about his game because you mentioned the play skills? He's definitely got the production to show that he can be a playmaker as a single high safety in this defense in. It's a good fit forum as well. What else about his game? Do you like about? Well, I was really impressive this football IQ. And you know, kinda like he's knowledge with the game. Because you know, I I said at the time. Visit that versing how you handle it. And the immediately rattled off the game two years ago against Lamar Jackson had a play that that he said he he would like to have back, and he and he was like making the play and he would have done differently. And you know, just to kind of think of think of that on the spot trying to get inside his head a little bit and see where he's at from from intellectual level. You know, he seems like he's talking about a guy who who in the ninety nine point five for something. That's pretty impressive right there. Yeah. He tested through the roof out. What about the wide receiver? There's a guy Benjamin Sola has hyped. A couple of times from Virginia here on the kissing Solex show the diminutive day zacchaeus. I think I'm saying that correct lamesa kiosks did you get to chat with him at all Howdy. Look. I did he evoked. He looked really good. I have to see him for a little bit. Because the media relations guy pulled me over to the side because he wanted me to get that that torn interview before that the start talking to him. He will bury show. He's he's he's very quick is sure MRs there and his hands are good. He could tell a little bit of a role player. But there's there's like so much attention with them that if he gets in the right systems gets camp. He can really he can make it team. All right. So let's get to the second school here that you went to temple was another place that you went to temple tough home of running back Reich. Well, Armstead defensive lineman Michael dog, the an ascending cornerback rock sin who owns the title for the best name in the draft by far did. Any of those from that trio come away super impressive. Is there anybody missing from the group Michael dog we was phenomenal. E he was somebody that was snubbed the NFL combine he looked at the east west game. You know, he looked like the best player on the field in the morning on the defensive line. He was moving these SEC Lyman like your like, your stollings, and and your Lamont Gail from Georgia. He was just he was just getting through with relative ease every day. And you know, he's quick off the ball volun- hands. And he needed that pro because he didn't have that opportunity to combine you tested, very well like exploded last year because going into last season. He had we had one and a half sacks seven tackles for lowest the ended up with seven sacks and twelve and a half tackles for loss season. So that was that was huge from how did he test? What were what were his numbers like? And you remember any of them off the top of your head? I'm trying to look it up right now. I don't see him on. I don't see him on the Twitter sphere. All I know he bench. He got thirty four ups e wait in two eighty four. So that was a little lighter for rep. Dog. Known as like a like a gym rat. Yeah, he's he's huge, man. Like, and you're and he can bench press five hundred pounds. Like he's done that at some people seal any, and he he's just a monster. And the he's just your muscle like there's there's not announce a fat, and he's he's gonna be a play on the defensive line for for some team. They're going to clear, and I believe he really the five. Oh, two in the foodie, I wanna say hopefully, it's not having a run forty yards. Otherwise things have gone wrong with the defense. What about rock you sin because I mentioned him earlier as an ascending prospect? He's a guy that not many people saw as a potential day to selection or even like I've seen a mocked into the first round with fifty other guys. But regardless his stock is really really going up lately. I saw him at the senior bowl down there in mobile. He was he was all right. They're known as a fiscal guy. But he's still a little bit smaller. What did you see from your sin? Why do you think he might be just flying up these people's bores recently, you send energy very well? He's an undergrad very intelligent and hear the hear the answers. Just give them to reporters. And he's just he's very soon of you could tell processes things quickly his his mirror techniques phenomenal. When when you go through the on field goals. And I think he's a guy that you're gonna see my slip end the back of the first round. I could say I'm going the raiders that's crazy, man. I mean, give me smart defensive backs all day, man. Tim Harris from Virginia was another one that really shocked me, and he thirty nine inch vertical. Ran a four low four four was Virginia for six years. 'cause you know, he unfortunately suffered to his his career recounted to row injuries. But he's another corner that tested, very well. And I think he's gonna be he'll be a nice value pick down there. Nobody rounds. That's right. You saw him to at the Virginia pro day as well. In remember going to the shrine game practices and was absolutely locked down for a good portion of the the practices that I saw. Did you see the same thing from him at this Ryan game? I thought he had a really good week. He had a couple of plays. And then he would like to have back against Ryan Davis got the better a couple times. But also the Harris. He looks inaugural where he he's very fast. You can see the athletes ISM. If it wasn't for the injuries. If he wasn't from league. I guess he's twenty four years old. I think that he would be a much higher pick. You know, when he was very highly talented when he wants Virginia. So, you know, you think secondary that him and one or no it's pretty formidable dialing back to temple for a second. Before we go to break here. I wanna mention Reich. Well, Armstead is he a guy that you're looking for in in the day three area for the eagles at a complimentary back to Jordan Howard. Or is there someone else outside of all the pro Davis you've done and everything like that that you might like for the for the eagles in day three. I like Armstead a lot. He looked great through do stay put him through his workout. He actually called the ball a lot better than I thought that he would. And he looked more lucid than I thought that he would he looked pretty nimble and the NFL burst as well. So he's of that. I would like to see, you know, the eagles consider and those obviously unite kind of went back and forth hunt Twitter chatting about zippo. And he's another that I've really. Like, very quick feet. Good contact balance athletic. He has he's a bigger bang for the as tendencies of smaller back. If that makes sense he can catch the bone. You know, he can get skinny the home. If the and and he's the guy that was really impressive. When when I spoke with these very well-spoken most the game, and he's just very knowledgeable player. He no he knows a lot about the game. And he knows it. What is responsibilities are? And he's applauded with that. If Webber gets was getting not a good player, but a person as well. Yeah. Divide zig. Bo from Nebraska one of the most successful zone. Running running backs in college. Last year would be a great fit for the eagles in day. Three men. You both are really high on him. He's in my top ten for running back. So maybe that's a guy that the eagles will target. We'll see the Jordan Howard acquisition changes any of that. After the break here on this BGN radio special about the pro day circuit. We're gonna be talking about one of my guys from Delaware, the safety Nasira Adderley and also take a trip to Maryland right here on blading green. Nation. Everybody to tell editor in chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge pass my friends, Paul Miller debone, we've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred and six years since Vert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. And we are back here on bleeding green nation with Andrew dicicco from eagles. Why are we are talking about the pro day circuit? Let's not stand on ceremony anymore. Let's talk about my man. A guy that I have a first round great on my safety one. You went to the Delaware pro day, you saw Nisar Adderley. He went to run his forty which we were all very much so awaiting and he pulled up lame with a Hammy if I'm not mistaken what happened with atr pro day. Does it change the way you view him at all and digits chat with him? It was one of those things where you you can feel the energy in the air. You know, I'm going to check in and give them credentials. He he was safe because Tim out there. You know? I'm like, wow. This is this is gonna be a big story. You know, how put them through his on field drills on never got the on field 'cause Nasiri pulled up about halfway through his forty talking about guy who got hurt in his forty he hamstring. And sneak those Atlanta combine as well. So there might be a little bit of durability concerns. But I think he's a if you're pitcher your scalp, it's only really high on them that really didn't change your perception for somebody that wanted to see, you know, how he would test, and you had you still have some questions reservations than you that might kinda sway you one way or the other. If that makes sense. No, yeah. No it does. And I don't have that that much of a concern as far as his rains goes. However, I did want see it because I did have a bet with Benjamin Solex that he would hit four three nine on the dot the range. But unfortunately, he didn't get to do it. But I'm not concerned. I'm one of those people that is a believer in our lease game. Like, you said, you know, being banged up. In the combine. And then pulling up lame at the pro day. I mean that doesn't do you a lot of favors? You wanna make sure the medicals are all good. And you want to check the pistol. And all that stuff that they did at the combine with the medical checks their product probem and all that but overall Adderley game and just the person himself. What do you like about? I like competitiveness e could tell that it. He was warming up the whole time after that. I will as warm, and you could tell he was angry at the fact that he wasn't able to go. But he got advice to you know, Shane day. He did a very quick media obligation. And then and then he was going. So unfortunate didn't get a chance to speak to him. I like his competitive he flies around probably one of the most versatile defensive backs in in the draft. I think I think that he he's very has attention to be an all pro Kunar as well. I mean, he's he's just an all around great player. He has got cornerback history in his past as well. He complained to go high safety he can come down and be a force coming downhill or like his game was Ernie beals from from Delaware. Joe Walker actually from Delaware. He was he spent the first three years ago a quarterback, but he transitioned to receiver for senior season. And he actually led the balloons in in in your at six seventy and four touchdowns. He he will really good. He's about six three. I wanna say to the way he's running routes thought that he'd been why receivers entire career. You know, kinda was reminded me of Joe way a little bit more athletic than Joe Webb it. We're going more polish. So I'm definitely going to check him out. All right. Let's go to Maryland. Let's talk about one of the guys that I I love the safety class. There's so many guys I. Have like a players that you could take at the end of round two, and I wouldn't mind it at all one guy that I'm really high on his for his his ceiling, especially goes in the versatility that I think he has if you can develop him as a single high safety from the mental processing aspect, Darnell savage junior from Maryland also in official visit for the eagles love that. They brought him in tell me about savage men. So I would say out of all three safeties that had the opportunity to see that savage. Looked the best in transition in and out of break. She looked most fluid he had lucid. So he he was somebody that they looked tremendous during his on field drills Denard Wilson defensive backs coach jets put him and the Bengals assistant coaches. Well, I disappointed, you know, he's gonna track in all you watch the tape, man. He he just like almost teleport's in the backfield and make place he sets a tone that you put them on that field for your defense in all of a sudden all of your eating glass. Like, I love that about him. In is like really intense person because I would expect that from him or like, you might be like the opposite type guy. That's like super quiet, but when the lights hit, you know, he's he just has a switch that he hits. I would say you can see little bitty intensity. You know, he was actually very brief. He didn't do any of the one on one interviews. So I didn't have a chance to talk to him. But I was there for that too. Little media media huddle. But when he spoke to us, and he was very brief with what he said, he didn't he didn't really say about you could tell us locked in. And that's the kind of player that you want. You don't wanna lights come on? Like, you said it's it's game times game on as I nobody else from Maryland that you saw there that might entice the eagles. I know there was somebody was telling me about a offense of tackle that the eagles might be interested in. But I haven't been able to check him out yet was anybody else on Maryland that that piqued her interest? Yeah. There's actually a few. You know, you, and I talked about I believe it was gray. Right. He was the one of the offense attack with the other guy Damian France, the right tackle, he wouldn't do it as well. And tie Johnson. Johnson might be is probably the fastest back in the draft. He was clocked at different scouts at him. At four to six four two nine four three two. And he was moving he was moving then and the same east throwing game. That guy's got some wheels. And he actually pulled up with a hamstring. You know after this first, so he didn't do anything else. But he attempt to you know, there was a scout. There say listen after what you just wrong, you don't need to do anything else. Yeah. And then I would say my God trae Watson the linebacker. He was at Eleanor for three years and he transferred to Maryland for senior. And he's tank, man. Like, I really enjoy watching trae play one thing that he told me after after after day, listen, man, I'm on an Uber athlete. I I don't get by on athlticism. I get on my football IQ get me in a meeting room had put me on the board. Put me in front of coaches. He goes that's where I could really make up ground. I like that a lot. Okay. I'm gonna do one last thing with you here. I'm gonna make you pick between all of our sons. Before we get out of here. I want to because we've talked a lot about these these safeties and great great stuff with some of the other players. Let's focus in on these guys that the two of them. The eagles have brought in Adderley they have not. But I want you to rank one Thornhill from Virginia necessarily from Delaware and d'arno savage junior from Maryland on your board. How do you rank them? Okay. So I'm gonna go three Adderley Assyrian is three out savage at two and my guy wants on who at as my top safety. That was really impressed with one. If you were to put a round grade on Thornhill like an early mid to late. What would you put on them? I would put him at right around, you know, anywhere from like forty five fifty five Ohka top of the second. I would say well within reach. If the eagles won them. I think will be there. I think guy like Chauncey Gardner Johnson singer going to be an his versity. And I think he might be the first safety off the board. But then I think you might see one and being second safety off the board. Yeah, I'm super high on Sunday. Insane. We've been talking about him on the kissing Solex show. He ended up with a first round gray for me, the only other safety of the Nisar avenue that got a first round grade super close on my board those two and if look if the eagles who brought in chancy for an official visit this side of the take him I would not complain whatsoever. Like, you said I love his versatility you back to the two thousand seventeen tape. There's free safety film. You two thousand eighteen film. You know, there's a lot of nickel tape. He improved his tackling the major improvement across the board for him as a player. So he would be an exciting player for the eagles to bring into shore up the future of that position. But Andrew man that is all the time that we have for today. 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73: The Women's Tour Press Conference

The Cycling Podcast

1:01:57 hr | 2 years ago

73: The Women's Tour Press Conference

"You're listening to the cycling podcast Femina an association with Reifer the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character ride and watch with rougher in twenty nineteen. Stay partner ES education, I and canyon shrimp. You're listening to the cycling podcast feminine brought to you by Skoda dedicated to closing the gender gap in cycling, one race one scientist time. This is our time. All we Orla. We are in Pembrey country park. I think in Wales the finish line of states. Six of the oval energy woman's hair. It was sunny. A moment ago. The clydes are gathering feel like we may have a few spits in sponsoring the event. Yeah. I think I'm feeding even right now. Right. Conspicuous as well. Aren't we s like a sore thumb like a three pronged sore thumb studies on? So you'll in Novus gray cloud coke needs. So yeah, yeah. Recognize wishful thinking the. The. Yeah. If you really. Willing willing the sunshine to reappear. This is our first ever. So I could Femina press conference. Somebody, we've done the last couple of years, the grand tours. And we thought we'd do it here. So we've been asking for questions, some of you phoned in questions, hear them and attempt to answer them shall we? Get straight into okay. Richard owner and grows. It's morning in London longtime boulder earth, the podcast greatly enjoyed the coverage of the oval to exit banter, and actually very interesting to listen to I've question around what the future of the other tool looks like we now, seem to set an established timeframe of around eight days or so. And it now seems to have solid sponsorships ovo seems to attract the very strong field riders though, perhaps, not the best climbers something that you pointed out during the poll cost. But what's the next step? Does it miss out for, for example, not having that final stage in London, where you can give strong TV coverage and the crowds out at cetera to see the, the best of the riders or is still needing to spread the gospel of women's cycling to further each of the country? I'd be interested in your thoughts because. It's clearly a very strong, race and actually very entertaining race to follow. Love the coverage and have loved this podcast, Femina, which is really kept me informed of what's been going on in the women's citing seen. All, but thank you for that Morgan is good question, what should the next step for the women's to be is six days this, you're not eight days? That's a step up already from five days last year. And do we feel that the racist still developing? I mean, it's been and major cities or tons of here. The men's tour Britain often does go to quite big centers of population on, really the women's to hasn't this year. And so the crowds have not been enormous, I think is fair to say, I think the first three days of racing left us a little bit underwhelmed. We'll talk about that a little bit later on. How do you feel how, how secure and so well established as this race? It's interesting when you say about the cries because we've been spoiled by the cards along the sides of the roads for the last couple of years, it's been a sort of a legacy of two thousand twelve but actually spending the day in the car the other day, they were marking on how they loved the crowd at the women's chair that the fact that they get all the school children, and it may not be the crowds that we had a few years ago, but it still comparative on women's racing. It's still incredibly well, attended in terms of can develop a think this year's racing certainly from stage, three on has been really exciting. I think the course effort put into the course is really, well rewarded when it comes to the racing, I would like to say go to new territories though, we've had it going from East Anglia over two wheels, and a couple of years, and that's wonderful. And it's lovely I like to push further north really or even for this, I them along the south coast, and love to go to Scotland. I love to see it go to Northern Ireland because we're always the forgotten cousin on. We've got some amazing to reinvent their a not sway. I think we. We could open it a little bit because what we what the women's two on the two Britain of able to do is bring new fans into the sport. And even if only casual funds for couple of weeks, building up to it and then coming along the side of the road, if you do that in the new territories and you and you parts of the UK, then you bring you funds to it. I sold out with the Jiro ground Potenza in twenty fourteen wasn't it the euphoria around the start of that lots of people who'd never who never understood what bike racing was suddenly got into some of them say in the sport. And thus as much as you can. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely say that you could go to new places. We have been kind of philosophy is doing the IMF four swoop. Haven't we east coast to west coast, and it does mean that it does build into you get to Wales and you'll build into the mountains and more. Yeah. Climb e areas, which is great by here. Definitely think it could go further field, mowing mentioned about going to London. And they did. They did do that few years ago when Jerry endure one and I have to say I don't think that is necessary the answer. I don't I don't think it needs. It either. I mean, I think I was a bit disappointed, especially as being a London. Go was disappointed with the crowds on a Sunday. You'd be surprised how sparse it looks when you're doing city circuit around London, because people on a Sunday crossing rose doing their own business that might stop briefly, but it is not really holding people's attention. So I don't think that's the answer. But I think. If we were to go to new places maybe he doesn't need is to add more days onto the race because sonny's get to Scotland, unless you were to Darden's. Well, you could do the whole thing in here. I need extra day or the Nyland. But then, also the logistics of isn't it? It's, it's the fact that clearly these SAFA Warrick shit. They've been supporting this race for very for many years. And obviously see a return in it, and are willing to put in the investment for it. I'm sure if it was that Scotland came forward and wanted to offer more money or money for a few stages, then than not it's a business decision. Today's business model of sweet spot deter Britain as well as they go, where local authorities for money and others clearly money available. Because there's a new women's Scotland this year. I'm not money around starting. You vent from scratch, unfussy clashes with other events. So I'm not sure how good a field it will have the women's tour, not have just been held almost entirely Cutler on year, six days. I dunno. I think if this event is to really kick on with the rose are establishes, the maybe the premier women's stage race on the new Scandinavian stage race in a couple of years coming along, which is also going to be ten days or believe, should the women's tour, not be ten days, and it should certainly have live television coverage. I think that's the key really and not difficult. It needs live television coverage, because some of the stages that we've seen and we've witnessed them because we've had laps finishing laps, for example, or I saw from team car Rosie soul one of the ages from a team car and you get a totally different perspective, sage four, for example war. So sorry, age five we'll stage stages for an five were absolutely thrilling to watch and you don't always get the best bets with the highlights because it could sue much to fit in. If you're watching it live you get to judge for yourself. Exactly what the real things like and it's unfortunate, it's very difficult to do in the UK because we don't have the same four g coverage that we have in the rest of Europe. And not simply comes onto that it makes it much more expensive than because you've got to boost the receivers or whatever it is that they do. But I think live coverage would be the logical next step. And I think then people would realize Hawgood arrays that can be it's also a necessary step. If the women's tour wants to stay as a world tour event. Next year because paralegal is going to be one of the stipulations becoming a World War is to have live str- livestream of some description. Almo- here into your and the Ken cycle park with an Morgon Gauthier the who's in charge of the women's world tour farther UCI, and they're in the process of finalising calendar night for next year as you say rose that are going to be new simulations on organizers on teams for next year which are putting a lot demands on organizing teams. And I think it's reaching a point where either the teams in racing enough to set up or the second compromise in terms of what they're asking for. Here's what Morgon said the Kent, psycho part the other day before we get almost the questions. Yeah. So you've been here a couple of days. I mean impressions of this race. One of the best of these where it's really well organized. It's a really professional stage race the extent from five to six days the first year. So it's really, really good. And they race in five years, if I'm right. And since I'm here to really deliver high stunned alpha woman race it like the team with the writers whole sergar to be there. So it's pretty good. This year is kind of transition era, guess for women's world looking at the big changes next year going because of changes coming over the winter. Yeah. So the first big changes is related to the teams. So we will now have to of teams. It's really, well, welcome. Some teams know that it's going to be hard. But it's welcome because we know that we need it in women's cycling. Now, we are stab where we've got some teams which are really professional with something we are not at all. And we need to give to this team, which are professional with. Put the money on the table every year which helped the writers today to give them spacious touches. So this is the first big part and the second part is really regarding the Evans where we regret it all world tour events next year to be live. We've got all the organiser who are part of the world. You're signed your form from that the calendar will be proposed to these management committee in two weeks and will be punished after that. I mean that's going to be a challenge for racist, including this one to live television coverage. Yes. And no, we already have. So we've got twenty free event in the world calendar and this year we're going to have eighteen which are live, so, which means there is not a lot, which are missing that here. I know they are working on that. It's a big step to move forward. But also, they want it after now being six they raised a really want to move forward and to continue to the growth of women's cycling, women's, I is really important, the UK and the race really want to follow this will will. Be able to help races or or or teams to to to make next at because it's expensive. It's live TV coverage so for life. Coverage as I say, there is already a lot of races, which I've done the UCI won't put money on the table for the racist. Because if we do it for one, we need to do it for all, which is just not possible financially to do it. But we are there to help organiser and since years. We're upping organiser, if did not have recast to broadcast race, we have them we give contact etc. So we working in close collaboration, the growth of women's cycling is just it's not just the teams on their own organizer on the, the news on their own out work better altogether to have been ROY just finally the stories receiver air. So they're so events, ledge price alleged flesh. And they were suggesting that they might pull their racist from the women's world, too, because they're not prepared to provide live television coverage. Is there any progress with been any further discussions? You know what might happen there? We are working with them. And as I said, the calendar will be presented in the in the coming weeks to UCI. Management committee and will be approved following that. So we will have the official publishing in free weeks about. The fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character. Rydin watch with Rafeh in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f -education fast and canyons, ram shorts are the most central part of your cycling kit. Hi, my name is Alexis Ryan, and I raced for Kenyans ram. It's where you get the most friction. It's where you get possibly get the most discomfort, and have a pair of shorts that are comfortable and reliable, they wear, well, and they're made out of high quality materials. It's that's really important for us as professionals, my wrath. A bib shorts are the best in the world. So it was more guilty on these see. I and interesting that we'll hear in the next couple of weeks. She said by the calendar for next year. And let's have another question. Mariana came from. Frankie Martha h four I'm asking. Voice says. You spoke to my invoices follow this morning. Tim Harris, acsi into just may hang on the other day because ten is handedly trying to improve my Dutch while we're here because he's a flu in Flemish speaker. So, like, Tim refuses to speak to me in English. He'll doors dot slashed Flemish. She ended just he just me hanging. So I gotta who you more every morning night from hangover have charts. And he said, how tote that she's doing well and she was I Don our bike already yesterday. So she only cross, what stage three is not right, three. She went home on stage four. This is stage six. So yes, she had maybe one day off the bike and just back in the bike again yesterday. He says that she's doing well, no broken bones. He said, Mercer flay could have been a lot worse. But obviously, I village Lee said, yes, she's quite lucky wasn't sharing. He said, here's really look actually crashing into a pole. I was asking whether she watches rare says, whenever, you know, I'm always intrigued by riders whenever they crash at various foam, and wanting to find out what's going on, but he said, no. She's not, watching the restroom afar. Think it's cheap painful, because she was doing so well, and because she had such strong hopes their bonds. The good news is physically. She's well, mentally and she's quite well. And I'm back on her bike. Hello, cycling podcast, Femina, I'm is bone, and I look in Canada, but I'm originally from Colombia and I wanted to first start by. Thank you for taking the sport of feminine, cycling seriously and doing the amazing job. You do you deserve that. Podcasting, price and more. I also wanted to ask you whether or not you think that there should be more races like the euros. Longer more grand tour style races. And if stages, she'd be longer, I know that the British tour has longer stages, this time, and it seems to be something novel and different. And I'm wondering if maybe the limits should be removed. Thank you. Thanks Abell for your question. Another question by the Jiro Rosa and guess where the you know, these races. Stand to think anew, I mentioned year as coming in Scandinavia, no next year, but the year after twenty twenty one battle of north across three Scandinavian countries over ten days and it seems pitching itself as being a direct competitor to the Giro's our, I suppose I honor of the toughest women's stage race, it's an interesting one because it's going to go across noise tweeden and Denmark's as a joint venture with that setting up ten days live, Joe Rosa, then I think now is the time also to have a third one and have kind of the structure that the men's calendar has where you have the three grand tools each of them being ten days long. And then that kind of just gives a bit more to the whole season. I think 'cause you have these kind of sudden rush of stage races. You have Barra. Narrative we have. No, you have Beira tool California Chongming, and then you go straight into so kind of, like, just a flurry of stage races with none of them being put on more pedestal than the others, but I think three it'd be great. See the women. So become a ten day race, so that it can become a trio grant interesting. North in their announcement promise live TV coverage that was part of the show. The K is, and I don't apologize for any indication of repetition here, but thought has to be fundamental. It's not about bringing on board more races. It's not about odd an extra ten stay ten day stages for the sake of it. I think first and foremost, it's consolidating what we have. It's trying to encourage more investment into a race like this the woman's to your whereby. They comment justifying a business sense. Doing the necessary to be able to provide live coverage. It's doing the same for the Vosa because I mean, by all kinds, it's a wonderful Rhys of hardly ever seen any of it in my life, you know. And, and I just think if we could have live coverage of that proper highlights whatever it might be the not would be the first step before, then we look to build anything, I think we have to make sure that what we're what what's been built already has solid foundations. And then up sedately you know, in five years time in ten years time, if we're looking at the equivalent of three ground tears fine. I think for the women at this stage at tan day stage race is more than enough enough. Not to say that women canton, the longer it's just the size of the rosters. It's the size of the teams that we have in the strength and depth than the pallet on you won't be rushing ahead. But something unless sport is actually read it 'cause it does more harm than good. Then israel. Also, by the length of the stages, we chanted tomorrow morning, didn't we all on a really conflicting views on this, this week? Because the stages here are a long they need to be as long as they are, because they're often not, you know, they're not going to straight line from one place to another. So they do try and make the is quite long. I've heard the view from a couple of team saying that if you if they just make the sages quite long Paul, maybe into the same pattern as as man's racing, where along a break, we'll go and get big lead, and then everyone will have stop for natural break, and then they'll gradually reel them back in. And there's a kind of a formula tha that and yet, at the same time, Tim Harris spoke to his watch more bite racing than I've had dinners. Tim is make fun of long stages. He thinks that law, the, the long sages really draw the best writers and. I don't know. I can see both both sides of the argument short stages can make for more aggressive racing well as men's or women's yesterday stage, five was the longest age of this year's rare Senate was by far, the most dramatic. So it depends on how it's race. I think the thing with this year's race. Is that it had been billed as toughest ever the longest ever all the rest of it and what we had then was that the maintains the teams with that with property see hopes there's no way they're going to be racing. I flat stays, not to be racing necessarily the cycler park stage, they're going to be waiting until later what we really need to say some of the smaller teams with ambitions going on the attack on these other stages. However, long they are. I don't think the forget that women's cycling is in a period of development, and it's progress hugely over the last couple of years. We're not a stage yet where we can say this is what women's cycling is like, and this is high races are race. I think some of these smaller teams are maybe a couple of years, I'm going to realize it. That's the best way to raise it for them. When you know, when we were trying to people in the start line, and he signed some of the smaller teams are saying, well, of course, it got to conserve our energy because you've got six really long days ahead, not that they'll have done the sex long days of a of a women's here will they perhaps have a better expectation of the risk come next year. In the same way that this year, we haven't waited for the hard stages before the actions happened we've had racing before, then do these things just tend to settle down, you know, after a couple of years of, of flux. I don't think we know yet there's an interesting point about live TV, great for the funds and people wanting to follow it. But for the writers, as well, I think there's an argument that having live, TV coverage makes more exciting racing sense, but people do perform for the cameras, and there's, there's just puts on a bigger more important stage. I think I think that just the presence of TV cameras on live TV coverage with would actually make for more exciting racing from business. Point of view, you just getting a lot more bang thea buck on. It was a sponsor. If you can say X number of eyeballs seeing your sponsor on plays. Donna jersey for this many hours every day on, on TV. I mean that's really valuable thing, and then that's going to boost Thommo investment in the sport in general, high cycling podcast feminine, this hand Clinton, thanks for your coverage of the women's tour, I've just moved to Copenhagen, which is a cycling, but not so good for itv's coverage. So I really appreciate the chance to catch up with the action on the podcast. My question for the press conference is, if you could design a women's toll solely on the basis of source materials for all this theme tales of the stage, what towns would you take it to, and why thanks very much keep up the good work. We know Hon because she organized the inaugural cycling podcast. Femina Rafeh women's one hundred for us last year. But she went on ROY dead loves if manner. At thank you. The great question on one of the right to mainly Orla. Let me but I think about this. And I think it's brilliant question. Hannah said what I said earlier by the women's chair can develop not only four my stories at the state feeling we're going across the Irish China. Why not I have at least one stage in a little place called. Hi, which isn't that far more, I grew up in county. Dairy on it as the homeland of the Nobel poets shaimaa Tina as my favorite poet of all time. So I would throw his Manny shaimaa Haney referencing gives some references. My between my my finger on my thumb my squawk pan rests. I'll deck with it. John sorry at yes, Doug is a gun. Announced be to support comes from a farming background than his father's potato farmer. Amazing. It's absolutely beautiful isn't I find his poetry, so accessible. And I don't know if that's because all of the landscape that he describes is so familiar to me, but I've got a few works of his my BIC shelf, and I'm Saddam. And if I'm feeling homesick I sometimes take a bit of Shiva's Heaney off the shelf. I think he's abusive fell poet. That's a good one. I would take it right. Dine low Bri head tobacco fast for van Morrison. We could. Say little rising. Oh, bowel prize. Winning essay old. Braille, middle cry. Cry. So did I and then on hop across to Scotland Cape it with my Celtic brothers? I'd love to sage glove that we were going to take this up at some point. But I think all. Balance a bastion, and we both seen balanced bass in concert, haven't we went to festival our with our respective other cuckoo. I didn't see it coming. She's losing it is it wicked not to care on a boring stage. Oh, yeah. Yeah feelings if you're feeling sinister, there's lots of references there. There'd be my three for starters. Go from Scotland, Lasca group. Doc lead. Singers, aren't she from air? And that is also the birthplace of Robbie burns, the national put. So he could burns of Valentine. Of well doing it that way not, not too much time. Business lines. I like the sign of this burns which put in is not difficult to in a race horn anything. Yeah, that's true. Love put Trey in all kinds of stuff from Ravi, burdens. A real expert. Yeah. On the we're not gonna from there. It will I was gonna say, I always feel like doing a well partly I thought about doing a sting stage, foresee free Paso, just because we look at. Yeah. Just because the other day we were we were toying with the idea, the terrible idea of doing stink, because he went to work university for like one. But the you know, all of those sunk ties would be, you know, every breath, you take great Winona really hard climb. Sounds so close me when Richards being a bit with. Shara. So that might maybe I think the Beatles, you gotta do the beat goes go to Liverpool. Some point. Help. Me out of this podcast. Holidays nights or eight days a week, six stages eight days. I know I'm trying to cover for Richard, as you know, Google's one of thing, though. Interesting point about the women's, there is the reason they didn't call it a women's to Britain was because they wanted to leave open the possibility of taking it beyond Britain on the talk a couple years ago of a prologue. I don't think couple of sei's in Rotterdam pay. Talks of diet. I, I've been aware of that recently, so. Well, any of the Dutch, golden age painting, which is all I've really looked into in terms of education, the night while the minute jurist is a lovely no based Saddam. So I could find some references from there on the spot hit, I feel like we're going to just insult anyone in the Netherlands. See king. Do you know what I kid actually if we had a Dutch grown day power or the equivalent, I could just say, it'll in Dutch anyway. And then most of our listeners wouldn't know today goes out, so. I would alienate on dot right. Tell me I'm role. I no one else would be listening, right? At one point. But the best laid schemes of mice and men gang after gli. Oh. Oh, I'm impressed because I can see Google all themselves down. Yeah. They mad on shown today if it was. Hi, I'm Sarah story. I'm they academy principal of this, go to cycling academy. We'll at the, the concourse just of this amazing truncated develop drive. We've got what bike sets up we've got some Tebbe China's set up. And we're about to do testing to select five applicants for the sky today, sl cycling academy, twenty nineteen so audio rowing, as my main school, but I've always enjoyed cycling cross training that until you're gonna rides down say how it went. Say how it went and invited in Chester. So I off. To void. It was fun. Alphabet lights to make up the right number of Todd. We have a quivalent tests on unknowing machines, but never on what bike say, so. People say between Ryan cycling of leg based put up state. Put your help yours and cycling completely really us. So I think I'm getting better nine my buddy needs to be at what points in the test. So I was able to case I went to light. And so I just did three. Three. Keep learning get better. Oh, guys. Hi. My name is Matilda. And I'm ten years old. I like to know if you know about any unrighteous who could be future stars. It's the women's tour. Good place to discover them. I love the podcast. It's much better than doing homework. Mathilde. Am I imagine? She made the phone call herself as opposed to don't want to, you know die. Martha's. And genuine interest in. Under suspicion now, suspect the Martha was four I'm not sure if she would have picked up the phone and Monica. Anyway. Uh-huh. Mathilde. So as is the women's circuit place to discover new talent m well, leeann Lippert this week, I'm twenty one years old. She had a day in the green jersey. She stayed with cash Innovia dome. She's only writer stay with her on the pill finish at Barton DASA and not just once but three times climb. So I think she's definitely Tonga. I mentioned this already. But the most telling thing is just the fact that her team son, we have under contract to the end, the twenty twenty two suggests in her. They see somebody, they can really develop on. She looks good. And she's got all the ingredients talent. And also, she was disappointed wasn't. She don't do keep hold of the green shares Twenty-one. She probably shouldn't have been too hard on herself. Danijela rang as well as an opposite at stand star of this spring. And sometimes, I think, because if we're not physically after race and we've got a lot of one day races. It's easy to almost lose people's names in the in the confusion of all the races. But when you're, ashtrays, and it's the six as long time to get to know, the riders of L bet and time to study their form and Dame is one who's really, really impressed me. She's fourth going into the final stage today and just twenty two definitely one. Who's on the way up on that whole tame? Really? Excites me actually Parkwood, how Valkenburg because just a just a group of young Dutch riders who seemed to be really punching above their weight. Really? When it comes to results this year. And last year in particular. Yeah. I think it's actually going back to matilda's question on on whether it's a good platform. I don't know that this race. Particularly is a good way of seeing all the ride is because so many big names, come to it. Then only working support. I mean, of course, the an LIPA had a breakthrough. Following we're kind of aware of only from having really impressive spring campaign. But I think it's, it's not like you get like L C, J Jacobs festival L C J because I think that's the way you actually see some new talent that you have seen before. And also, I think in women's cycling people mature, but later, you know, some of the older champions, kind of early thirties, mid thirties, the moment of the most of the best writers in the world, and I think you see people like Lizzie banks Thomas who are older riders late twenties. And they kind of have really proven themselves as people to well AS Roma's to watch the future doesn't necessarily mean that the you know. Twenty twenty one it's funny. Well, because with women's site, and because we don't have an under twenty three contrary. We've got young riders riding the top level from a very young age. And sometimes you don't realize how young, they still are when they have a bit of a stand up performance Ave, Parkinson is still what did you she twenty one one think phase like she's been around for a long time. But not. Because there is no transition for the women. They are juniors and then they're straight into the senior ranks. So I guess, in that way to contract slightly. It is quite a good platform. But sometimes it phase like you've heard about the writers and hurt the writers for a long time, already high team Dina blocking London-based cyclist, and coach. Listening to your commentary on state park and at say he spent a pretty good portion of podcasts talking about how it wasn't an exciting race. And automate, the point that I create that at this moment in time, where we're trying to gain more interest from sponsors broadcasters. There's a real need to demonstrate that women's writing is worth watching, which, of course, it is. But even with that in mind, a wonder if we are can be overly critical of women's racing and that we aren't of men. So, for example. The amount of man's races that aren't not interesting. But we don't hammer them in the same way. I. Oh, they shouldn't swear. His fight off them. I think some uses the fact that race of women. Is it spectacularly interesting as a case for why we shouldn't support women's racing as a wonder if as supportive women's rights actually may be there's caution to be had when we spend time to combat have it wasn't an exciting race 'cause Manresa way, more predictable boring half the time. Anyway, so. That slightly. She's anyway, love to hear what your thoughts are. And thank you so much for the train and coverage of the women's tour wealthy. Thank you very much for your question interest on. I mean, we were quite negative 'cause we were we were stunning watching the circuit race in the Ken psycho park. And think we expected a lot from it in terms of tax and splits and aggressive writing what we actually saw was a quiet control of fast, but controlled race which was a great spectacle. And I think we were just calling it as we saw it. We were recording that day as the race went on. And I think we all wondered after a special spoken to some of the writers, who told his heart at being whether we were too hard. But then our job isn't to sell the sport is to talk about the sport. And talking about the things that we find interesting sport. I don't I don't mean say that t-. Vs job is sells TV's different because TV have to work with the pictures that got they've got to show the race. Whereas I think one of the luxuries of the podcast is being able to 'em. Have a discussion a right in the race if the racist? Nice. I mean you mentioned about the capacity man's women's, I would I take as she without because I think when men's races are boring. We call them boring and lots of the Jiro this year was pretty boring. And on those days, I wasn't airtime, but Daniel, and Lionel themselves off to the Marco Pantani museum and did a lot stuff around the race and really made the podcast about something other than the race because the race was so dull. It's a question of the maturity of the sport. If we're at the stage with a sport or if you perceive it to be something that would have to sell than fair enough. You've got to be begging up all the time. And always looking for the positive if you're taking a standpoint, whereby you're, you're giving the sport a bit of credibility on putting on a level. With other sports, then you have to call it whenever it's boring because we are hoping that the audience also understand that then whenever the racist exciting, you're being genuine. I think it's disingenuous really if we're going to call the race has been very exciting, when it's not, and also sort of, I think, as important for people's understanding of what the rating is about if you're wanting a stage listening to sage for the first time, and you think what is considered to be cycling and you got to anything, that's happening think. Well, if that's exciting racing. I'm not sure I'm up for that sport. And I do think is vile with Mentz with man's lightning. We do coal at boring when it needs to be a main, you say, television coverage, and yes, it's true. Didn't hype it up slightly, but I was working for your sport for the Jiro and for a lot of that ROY. We were we had to be very specific and say this isn't an on an uneventful sage because the audience hasn't food, you can't treat a cycling fans. As idiots responsibility to find something exciting to say, completely, you know, if, if the end of the day, we've said is boring and nothing else than absolutely our fault. But I think the point is, it's all responsibility, then to find things that are interesting because we're interested in it. So we have to convey that interest under stories or explain us opportunity to explain more about the sport. You use is a chance to get under the skin of the sport a little bit. But I do think that it's our position. Would be right of us to call to call a stage exciting. It simply wasn't. Well, I think it'd be putting to someone who was new to the sport. If we turn a high up say that we actually really found very boring because they, you know, they would watch that and say, is this really what cycling's Abou is this really is. Is this really what they think is exciting? I think we were we were match to think something exciting, when it's just like a peleton of ride as going around pretty much all together the whole day, and I think it's also a case of respect is a case of we want to analyze the racing aspect of it. And if there's not much racing to analyze than than we just can't do that. I think it's we try, we oversee want to always touch on the kind of thing Matic issues with women's sports, and women's cycling. And it's comparisons to men cycling wet spoke go kind of industrialises that they might suffer. I don't think we want to focus on that too much because we want to want to show the respect to the ride is that we can take that performed performances as professional athletes, and, and cooler out when a teams tactics as they do in men's like all the time, and I think, as well that sometimes we're just asking questions that hopefully then generate a bit of a debate because I on not specific. Sage we were asking what? What should be done then to make today? More exciting walls at a case that the rich wasn't sort of geared towards an exciting race was that we simply did need a shortage in the middle of all of these long sages could the smaller team should the smaller teams. Brooding more to animated. We'll see answer to that because we are we invest ourselves and women's, citing a law. The three of us, you know, and so that in itself is trying to bring more interested into the sport trying to bring more investment into the sport. And you've got to ask the questions and if a stage doesn't lend itself to being a good platform for the sport. Why is not just a question that we ask? And maybe there is no Unser. Follow question. Head in the sense that the best way to cover the sport is to criticize it and the best way to respect the writers on on the sport is to be able to criticize it because it shows that you're taking the sport seriously. I don't think that day in particular. I think there are a few things went wrong with say all the right is so's facet. It'd be hard at being. I didn't buy it because I thought that more writers would have been dropped. If it'd been really, really hard and I just think that it was an opportunity for some of those teams imagine to have going on. They didn't. I'm not really disappointing. And it was a an opportunity, showcase a sport that wasn't seized. And I think there are lots of things that could it could have been the first stage. It could have been an evening stage at kid have been, maybe starting with a time-trial, which the right is one lap of the circuit, lots things that could have done, which I think, ultimately at work, but yeah, I think we will definitely criticize because. As is a form of respect. But also, there will be stages are boring. I mean, sport, you know, not every game of football is, is a three three draw. Good goal is draws in football. Don't you, you get boring stages in grand on its you sort of need the any, you need those sages in order to have the lows in the highest, don't you? So that's just part of par granddaughter on exception. Maybe was gbs Italia, Las here, where there is excitement every day and not as part the chorus and partly the writers. Hi, guys love the cast, especially important. The family has has rather less coverage than the men side of things. I have a question regarding teams sickly ones to say share with the men's teams I son web and CCC received a lot of them we never hear anything about the lottery sitar women's team. And they don't have a team in the women's tour. What's happened is it just? Because they didn't have such a high profile female riders left here they answer. Thanks low or low rose and Richard my question for you is regarding the disparity, or lack of parody into women's peleton that may be growing last year. One of the common themes that was spoken about was investment by men's teams influenced Pelivan my question is do we see that physically in the peleton be interested in interested to see if the investment of teams that have immense component into the women's polygon is actually causing a greater disparity between the effects and outcomes of the races? Because these teams that have lower budgets can't compete with the conveniences and comforts of larger teams that was grim and Andy. Graham asking about lots of pseudo and the asking disparity between the man's and women's teams down do seem the poor relation. Don't they? I mean they've, they've had some decent results this year. Lots of capacity in particular. And they had a team forever. But the team is certainly not other level of the men. The women's team is not the level of the men's team tame since two thousand six which is a long time for women. Stay on longtime for a team is attached to a men's team as well. And they have had in the past some great alumni, in your enduro was the Ellen educating was the Ashley moment was. I think. Yeah, no here, I think that that's partly to do with the fact that they have a roster of writers, is that includes track riders and mountain bikers. And so they get the road training through writing full auto suit out, but that's not necessarily their main discipline which I think means that we don't see them necessarily at the biggest rice, and especially on an Olympic psycho. So we see less of them on this year. We'll see less the next year, and then when those track as and mountain bikers come back to the road full intervening is, then we'll see more of them in, in those years when there's less to do on the track. Lizzy Lizzy armistice does she was also there for one year in two thousand nine where I think she she won. Medals on the trunk wasn't a world championships curious because if you look at the man's name as well law to have a strong tradition of north. Hiring talent, really don't they, they've got a really strong presence and Belgium, bringing writers through, and then you see right? Is coming back to the team once they've made it to the top level on possibly the women's team is about more than anything else. And the fact that they do have rights across different disciplines would certainly suggest that deputy young. They try to finish third day Dom this year. And you mentioned lots lots of Capac, he didn't have an awful lot of other results. But I mean if they are producing alumni of the of the caliber, we're talking about then it would. Yeah, it would suggest that there may be a little bit more developmental. We've never spoken to anyone from law to women's team to say Walt, their raise on d'etre is rarely be an interesting to maybe try for that course on the difference the women's teams you're right. The law of teams have come prevents here and the whole they roll. But there are there are we? We're looking at cross the field here and sun, web, CCC and trek. Afraid of all have very big buses those bowl. Luxury coach resent early that you didn't think it made much difference in terms of recovery, but I think it does. And let's diagnose saying, one of the after stage four she said. Oh, I'm just so grateful that I've got a shower on my bus like the other riders, a lot of other writers would have had to sit in not necessarily wet clothes, but they would have had to have gone unwashed for an hour and a half of the journey that just makes your bones up much more tired, and it makes recovery. Tired bones. No. But it's a tired as it goes into your bones at pretty so deep within you. It's not just muscular, I believe and tired boat. Gang. I mean, if you if you get washed cleaned up, and then you can lie, you know, sit down with your feet up the night, it's going to it's going to age recovery. More than sitting on, you know, putting on extra layers. No actually just getting that done at the race and then being able to travel to the hotel, and just relax because, you know, instead, you putting off that time that should be spent recovering and resting. But yeah it's funny because I really thought about it. But, you know, Kenyans Schramm, they have pretty much like a ice cream Vander. It's just it's like miniscule little van they have. And yet, you know, we always think of them as being one of those absolute top level teams really, really thought about it before. I mean, this is a performance issue. Really? But one difference between the women's teams. The men's races, the fleet of vehicles turns up everyday everyday immaculate, you know, they've, they've been washed overnight, and it'd been clean their gleaming. Here women's to are, are just fewer people around the teams and the teams as been Mucchio weaken, the vehicles are McLean haven't been cleaned. That's not criticism. It's just an observation that Orion men's teams that are always just loads of people and loads of people doing lots of different jobs, and lots of resources, which women's teams don't have there. There's a skeleton of operation. They'll be a D Asmi to the answers and the, you know, one of the behind the bottles be maybe a swan year about the, the whole medical team immense team with her. The question it was pointed the number of, of writings in the top ten in this age finish yesterday here at the female equivalent of man's teams. But if you look at the top twelve going into the stage today, it's of those are on women. Standalone teams got Lizzie from track in the lead. But then you've cashier from canyon Schramm. Then you've got Amy pages from bulls. Demi following Parker tail, which is a tiny team, Chrissy measures of bowls, Lizzy banks of big last who actually there's only one of the top sex here from a female arm of a man's team. So what I quite like what I like very much, actually is that women's cycling. We have this complete range, and we're not completely tied to man's, I think the development of track on we rarely see them emerging as a strong solid unit at this race. Probably for the first time this season that will be very interesting. We'll see if that's any anything of a game changer bulls Albans are still the dominant team across any given season. And I, I like that. I like that we have a mix up of both man's teams with a women's team attached to them. Or maybe one day I'll be women's seems to the man's teams on teams. Question by, by Email are shit was a direct message on Twitter for Mike Fagan brackets friend of the podcast. Thank you, Mike. Why don't female cyclists have nicknames Jesse Lizzy the leopard cashier the koala? If I can be quite. The buffalo is our LA gazelle and Rosa. Tigris. Mike. Yes, I can confirm. Can confirm but they're on so many nicknames, and women's cycling as our men's like cling. Other the I just don't think that women give each other nicknames as much as men. There is one nickname, the women's Palatine that I heard from the tram team cards the day, I'm not JoJo. We've got Roxanne connective. And apparently, her nickname in the is hope because the annoys that she makes should try to come up through the bunch of go try to make room for herself. Because she does it all the time. She's completely ignored might have worked the first few times, because people taking a by thinking. Oh, goodness. I must be out of her way because she just not who all the time, that's on the race moving to episodes, rox on Connecticut, where she talked about retiring, the year seven. It's because she's very nervous in the peleton sushi's, maybe not quite a law. Yeah. That women don't give each other nicknames as much you were talking about this over dinner. See we call the. She don't lie. Assassin. The to my face. Helfferich and oleo say it's like may calling you the m I'm an RMT. We. True. Right. The American show, the OC was not an English show the orange. Michelle barton. One of the stars. Remember, I think with the with the ROY the nicknames. I always think it something that the Belgian Dutch press kind of come up got the ones that kind of pushed kind of the eagle of allowing Tova. No. What about, you know? What about, you know? Yeah. The hurricane of her column, or whatever, you know, I always think is that comes from there. I don't know what if you go sense of I've just always assumed it was from that. And so then not engage with women's cycling, the maybe those those nicknames. More so probably than we have here. But yeah, I don't know curious what anybody thinks. I just didn't think that women's women are given nicknames. Why two? Like, you know, say or whatever. If you ask them. Blue cheated this did that. And I, I think that that's of, of that team I guess, well, maybe have cash Khumalo because koalas are very cute. And cuddly about very dangerous. I kind of see that. Slow though they cash the quality on cycling podcast. Femina is supported by science and sport science bolt few signs. Lawrence, Aaron Stratford-upon-Avon question for the post women's tore press conference, just when about your thoughts are on that never ending question of joint, men's and women's races, or separates events thinking that my attention is split between the defend in France and oversee the women's toll here in the UK and comparing not to join events, which is Tennessee's USIP Wimbledon, etcetera yet, just focus on not just. Thank you for your question. Lawrence joint men's and women's races. We, we have talked about quello haven't weight swings and roundabouts. You. No, there's no clear answer. I mean I like to find this racist standalone bar. I referred to earlier answer where I've been a little bit disciplined by the crowds this week. I think we talked about it women cycling show digital program, which we did a flaw in this, I go onto citing YouTube, check that out where we had a bit of a bit of a back and forth, about the pros and cons, I think, has kind of theoretically is a good idea, practically doesn't really work out, because it always seems like the women's race is like the support race. And the women have to do a route that is around the men are doing. And if there's if there's an issue with timing, it's the women's rice asked to suffer with that all the women end up having to raise at like start nine and finish eleven and then the men just have a normal time. So I think it's the. To get back expose? The men's exposure onto women's rights is a great idea. But I just don't think practically it works for most races when it works it works wonderfully. Well, and I think this year's, I'm so gold was one of the best days of racing as all that I can remember seeing a not wouldn't have been the same. I think if we hadn't had the men's race, as a desert to the woman's may in course because both races were so brilliant to watch the women's race. We all recall. Yeah. But, you know, I don't know word gold have been given live coverage of it hadn't been ahead of the man's raise, would we have had as wide an audience because a race of that quality of that history. So many people are setting to watch out for the day, and maybe for the first time they get. Oh, so women's rights beforehand, just because it's on that was one example, worked perfectly well, like all of these things, and it works. Well, it works when it doesn't it doesn't room for both. I think there is Hello. This is a question for the team from a long-term listener, and friend of the podcast from regarding Thomas, companions comments about the women's tour JIRA rose, and not being compatible objectives. Is this really the case given three weeks apart? Or is it more to do with the star of racing? And of course, he's being different and to know all many of the riders from the women's tour going to the JIRA, the star of July and Secondly question specifically for the buffalo. How does working with your cycling feminine colleagues compared to your excellent and knowledgeable colleagues on the regular podcast? Thank you. Thank you for your question. The Lionel from walford. Well done. See, first question, I, I think, as companion hinted that there's a trend as much as anything to, to know objectively and whether they are incompatible. But if somebody doesn't like votes in Las year and wins the race in dominant fashion than others do tend to company and I think it's more through with the style of racing the courses are maybe not being capacity, in about major claims Jiro. And so the best way to prepare for those major climbs to go and train on major climbs the fashion as much as anything else on a make walls really the first in the women's Palito on T copy, the man in terms of going to, to chain using trae in preparation for races instead of racing preparation for races on Nebraska is an idea in the same thing, we may see more of that. I'm not sure how much more. We'll see if it really because not all teams have the roster to be able to afford that luxury of allowing writers to not raise some of the top. Cases like this one in particular, I think they are incompatible railway. I think the problem really for everyone else is that on a make, and Anna are so difficult to bait on those hard Heli races that whatever they will be the vast preparation really on. They're probably trying to each each other everyone else and a lot of the writers from here. Well, go onto the jarrow says, so we will quite possibly have third place, having come from here. That's assuming that on I, which I don't issue for, for one second. But I think it's a trend thing. And I think that was just high omic certainly likes to prepare for these big races on a founder, Vanderberg Dole's more varied racing certainly these days. But no, I don't think they are incompatible. Really? You're saying that the coast is a very different very different writers for the most part in the women's Pederson more than the men's people specialize, less may tend to do races than in entirely compatible. With you. If you compare the Passo Gavia to button us it, I mean that just completely different climbs different styles of racing. The climbs here much more much punchier, and Cassini Doma, for instance is much more. The call is much better suited to these kind of racing is. I don't think it means it's less exciting or less animated just different. So you'll get different writers doing different races. But what I really want to know as the answer to the second part of that question, Richard how high, we compare across the different podcasting your companion. It was a long hard, climb, which was kinda comparible to parenting pass. And also, I think the more widely in cycling writers. Train. They they can prepare much Barrett by trailing than by racing. It used to be that. They raced in order to train a train in order to race. Not that's happened in men's likely over the last decade or so, to greater extent on its women's cycling to the second question em, they're more Chaffee, Roseanne. We spent Iraq. Excellent colleagues from the regular Seiken podcast, that Daniel online, Lor, Francois. Online, I would say we spend longer periods of time in. I would describe as companionable silence. I'm on are not, what friend have prefixed the male half of 'Artemis. Excellent or words to that effect. We're just deciding. That you're both. Excellent. A different way. Fun with us. Say more fun. Joking line. Line. Oh, what she are. We both know he's no though. I think over six days. A wonderful time until we got of course, and you then described ten. Because there's more energy, there's more energy, all the time say that what with Donyell Lionel his last energy as more concentrate, we, you know, we try and raise our game for the podcast time. We're just slump. My see you guys in a pressure Jiro you always always sitting quite far away from each other. Whereas we have inflict me and all I like cross house together and. Yeah. Short. There's only so much time to get all your chancing in so. Yeah, don't waste a second of it. Thank you very much. Conversation. Singer fees. Great week. And. Yeah. It has been really good. Just doesn't great. Welcome. Thank amount. I'd say that. You have. Okay. Good. It's good. No, it's been good. It's been good fun. And I always in hindsight, put the down a bit more time. He's always like Danzig, Gary. Burst of your full set. Shall we wrap things up? We should finish. To finish. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, rose. Thank you. Thank you. You're listening to the startling podcast feminine. Brought to you by Skoda dedicated to closing the gender gap in cycling, one race one cyclist at a time. This is our time.

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The Sedano Show (HR 2)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

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The Sedano Show (HR 2)

"Savannah show here on ESPN LA by Trudeau hanging out. If you want to see me slapping at old man's belly. It's on my Twitter. Now, I just retweeted it so can enjoy that. I I mean, I'm in for that. Yeah. I mean, I did it in a loving fashion. It wasn't like I was doing it to like did it like did it take. It did take a while to pop you have to take his Mike off or anything like that. And he's he's good at that. Okay. He's good. Like, he just you know, he's got he knows where to lift up the white up, which is the name of the shirt he wears and and he's good. He's ready to roll a couple of people were surprised that I didn't know this particular type of tequila should I have known like what L humidor is is that like a is that in every bar or something? And I just didn't notice. I mean is that you know, what I'm saying it. I mean, it is a is it like a superb fluids tequila? It is. I believe it is okay. I'm not really tequila guy. So. A huge deal guy. But I'm familiar with you just because I've seen it Vars or whatever. But although I am going to Mexico at the end of may. So some some post they have they have certain like tequila tasting things that you're supposed to do while you're there. So I'll I'll keep an eye out. Right. Yeah. So I saw you responded to a guy named javale McGee goat on Twitter, which I always think this stuff is funny. He says Sodano ESPN his Laker hater and builds and courage is false or damaging narratives directly from Lakers official radio station, hashtag lake show and Mike Trudell should take his job hashtag lake show. You could have the job. I mean, it's fine. Like, I'm good with that. Well deserves the job. I think no. I mean, I just I just told him. Hey, appreciate the support of the stations lasts me. But I had I had a disagree with that take. I think you I think you're a pretty clear about just saying what you think, and I don't think you hate on the Lakers or on anybody, really. I mean, I don't I don't really care enough to hate and Alan quite honest with you. It's really not that serious. But what I would say is when things are good. I'm going to say they're good like look at the dodgers. And look at the Rams like what is there to say about that? You know what I'm saying? But the Lakers they've been a disaster for six years, that's an arguable. They have the worst record in the sport over six seasons. Well, the the only the only. I say disaster for six seasons is a little strong. When you when you are a championship contender right in especially now that like every NBA team for the most part has a couple of smart executive or two it is tough to maintain that level when you have all vets no draft picks. No, young guys. And so that's obviously what they did when they wrote it out with Kobe pow. And then they traded for the white, and they got Steve Nash like for the for the two first round picks like your mortgaging the future next couple of years after that. And then Kobe tears achilles. So you know, what I'm saying stuff like that that stuff? That's I don't think they can be blamed really for that. You can talk about the Kobe contract if you want that's all part of this. But the the next phase after that like these last couple of years, right? I would say the the disaster to me, the one clear disaster were the MAs van, Dan contracts. Right. Like, those were the that was the disaster moment and that took some getting back from including having to give up a number two overall pick and Russell to get off the Moscow contract then having. To to to pay dang into perpetuity of the last the next several years. But like at least what they did. And this is thanks to Jesse bus, the director of scouting and the GM and his staff including Ryan west and somebody other scouts at least they've drafted. Well, which is now put them in a position to have success into the future. In addition to getting LeBron comes so that that's that's that's like the whole. That's the longer story of it. I get worse saying the record itself is a disaster. That's true. But there's a reason for some of it. I mean, look, but at the end of the day, it's still a disaster. Like the crown jewel of the NBA shouldn't have that six year stretch just them. So the Lakers being out of the playoffs. If I have no if I have no chance to to sort of to get my time right up on the stand to defend the team in you just said they have not been in the playoffs for six years. I say even the Lakers would probably say, that's a disaster. Right. Like the Lakers. Expect and demand in the playoffs every year. So sure that's fair as they should. So ultimately, the the way I would paint the picture is that I I do agree with you about Jesse and Joey buzz. I mean, I talked about last week where the report was out there that they had their contingent of seven people out there with rob Jeanie, and the ram by you mentioned to Tim Harris whose great and whose runner runs the business side in the business side has been very successful. So like Tam that's arguable. Yeah. So what I said was those three the bus, the younger bus siblings, and Tim Harris. I'm actually I said I very much. So that a very glad that they're in on the coaching search because I know those three are good at their jobs. I I, you know, I don't know if rob is gonna job. I don't know what kirks job really is. I don't I mean, Linda works on the business side. So I guess that works fine. And you know, genie were the I think the word is still out of genius. And owner because before she had Jim is. Shield. And now these decisions are going to be on her more than anything else because there was a separation between church and state in a lot of ways when her brother was running the basketball operations with Mitch. So now, those lines have been blurred to an extent and those decisions of who's making those decisions on her. But so again, but ultimately, I do think I big fan of the bus younger siblings. I think they do. They've clearly done a very good job. I think that's again in arguable at same with Tim Harris on the business side. So but anyway. I'm gonna just say this again, just you know, whatever we'll just move on it just like guys, I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. I'm just going to tell you I feel and if you like it cool feed. Oh, that's cool too. So anyhow. Real quick just to wrap up the Kobe Pelinka Zing, and by the way, Kobe did say to Ellen Degeneres breaking news on Ellen Degeneres. Kobe denied again wanting to have the wanting to be involved in the Lakers front office as an executive believe the court was no, no, no, no, busy man is busy. He's coaching is coaching the lady mambas the mamas. He's he's a CD's. He's win as winning like Oscars. Like, I mean, you know, he's he's got stuff going on. So that was the quote. No, no, Nope. Nope. I'm stay right to the sideline and coaching my daughter's as he told Ellen Degeneres. But I again, I just to finish the rob stuff. The. The notion that okay, you can speak to someone because you have a relationship with them. I you know, that's hard to argue. But what I would say is. Sometimes you could be a little too close. You know? And there's a saying that says you can't see the forest from the trees, and I think sometimes that that's part of it. You know, you can want something to work and happen. But it doesn't mean just because you want it to happen. And you you it means it's going to work like no one goes one hundred percent on decisions not at any walk of life. Right. Like when you get up with your kids in the morning, and your wife, you know, you have decisions that you make on a daily basis. Whether it's something as silly as having to buy milk at the grocery store, and sometimes by the way, George what kind of milk. Do you do you guys consume? I'm on in coconut milk guy. My wife likes to percent in her coffee. Okay. So I don't drink dairy very much anymore. The only dairy. I have is like Greek yogurt. Dare show Bonnie guy. There is not great with my system. You don't love cheese. We know that she's a, but I do so my wife bought this like oat milk the other day, and I and I base. Just use it to make us. I e smoothies like throw like the OSCE peace in their oatmeal some fruit, you know, sound. So so pretentious right now talking about this. But go ahead. What's what's wrong with this smoothies? Twenty nine TV. I have smoothies with us. It doesn't it doesn't mean. We don't sound pretentious. How does it sound pretentious? Just a fruit is fruit. Man. It's just a fruit fruit and milk was how did fruit and Bill could become pretentious. Cost like the cost like a Rebac. So so how about this? I will have an impartial arbiter here to impartial arbiter and funches funches is there. Do we sound pretentious talking about almond milk? Oat milk, coconut milk and aside east movies very much. So never heard oak milk before the day. Do we live in Los Angeles? Fudgy whatever Pearson when we think we sound pretentious. Yes. We do. Yeah. Lose it. I'm at least self aware enough to know that that's the case. Like, I'm fine with it. But I'm just you know, we have to come to grips with that being the case. All right. I guess I guess I'm pretentious smoothie milk concern. I don't really like milk was sort of my point. But it like, I I'll throw it into the it's supposed to be a better base for the smoothie, and now, I do feel myself signing pretentious. Okay. Moving you milk that topic now go. Yeah. But. I did look at that. You made a joke. That wasn't a how game of thrones Pearson. Solid. All right up next. We won't you talking about when interrupted you. What me was making a point. Right. We have to go to break though. I'll finish the point of the other side, and I will finally get to this. Josh Rosen stuff because I thought Josh Rosen really handled his business pretty well today at his press conference, and I thought he handled himself very well all over the weekend to considering what Steve Smith did out there, which was character assassination, in my opinion. But we'll get all that coming up next to hanging out Saddam show ESPN LA back in three minutes. So should I put up a poll? In your honor about shocking. I said if you bring up drinking smoothies in a conversation. Do you come across pretentious? Oh, man. You can boat ad Sodano ESPN. NO ESPN. I mean, look, I think I'm going to lose the poll, honestly. But I. My defense is simply you have to consider that. I have now lived in LA since two thousand eight so I can't drive a square mile without seeing like five Ozzy places in six different whole foods type supermarkets like that. You I'm telling you there. There's one called lazy acres. I never heard of before. There's like a gilson's. There's all these all they have in these places is different kinds of milk. You never heard of before when I was growing up in Minnesota. I had never I literally had never heard of us. I you just knew milk the cow. I'd knew I knew to this isn't what I knew about milk two percent one percent skim. And that's it. I didn't even really know that like D whole milk was thing really not. I mean, I guess kind of but we never had in my family was either to one or skim. So I like this is this is the maybe it's like the LA me this coming out in when you put it like that. I agree. But yes, I did not know what any of those things were until I moved to Los Angeles. Yeah. Listen, again, I'll tell you for nothing. Go to a deep philosophical conversation about us. I, but I I certainly sounds like you do. But what I and look I have a little protein smoothie every day. You know what I mean? But I just put normal berries in them, you know, evil, blueberry, little blackberry, raspberry. You know, not the. I mean, I I recommend. Here's why I got into the sl. We're going to go ahead and burn another segment on this. No. We don't have the burn a segment, but you come quickly finish your conversation. I don't know if I can do quickly. I mean, I I was I had the charm. I was charmed into having an essay bowl, which is a different thing. But people probably know what if you don't know nothing. You bowl is. It's like this purplish kind of fruit as the base, which is the SI. And then they put strawberries bananas and coconut shavings and Honey on top of it. So it's basically like a dessert. But then they tell you that it's good for you. Because it's essentially just fruit with a little bit, Honey. So I'm like who's not in for that. You're like a desert, but it's supposed to be healthy for you. So that's all I got into ASA, George well Semel, Charlie slander account at opinions on the NBA tweets. His try flax milk from lazy acres might Trudell. It has all the nutrients Affleck's seat. Flexibly apparently has good nutrients. Right. I know is good for you. My my wife. So here we go. Again, you don't like everyone loves food. So we can all relate to food. So they used to make these things when I was in Bristol. They used to have these little these called protein balls, and they were like, basically mixed shredded, oats and like peanut butter. And you know, sometimes they throw it like yogurt chips, chocolate chips, or whatever to add a little sugar to it. And they'd have flaxseed in them. And they were delicious and Lord knows because if you didn't flaxseed you're going to be really regular you had to go to the restroom that fairly quickly. But you were doing it pretty like regular at that point. So, and you know, they they got a little protein of you know, it's got the good fats with it with peanut butter and stuff. But yeah, I asked my wife to text me the name of what they're actually called the we can just pass them along to the audience because it's literally stuff you could just by the grocery store. Mix it up and make it yourself at home. So we'll try to help the audience here. How about that? If you haven't tried us. A you get, you know, get clearly you are you are part of the council at this point. So that of want to go to Brazil, like one of those tours to learn how to see how game. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a it's a SuperFood almost like like abakada so finishing up before it gets a rose at which we're probably not going to get to here either. But Buksh arby's coming up in a few minutes. So just last last, but not least Kobe. Look, I I just think that sometimes you're too close to situation. Just because he may you know, he's really smart doesn't mean he bats thousand and I just think that robs track record in a very short amount of time was somewhat underwhelming. So because of that I am not confident. But it doesn't mean that if rob gets started doing stuff right that I'm not going to sit here and say, wow, that's really good. I I am an adult. I can change my mind on things when presented with new information. Like, that's that's how a Dulce do it. Now. I know there are people in our line of work who will just stand there on a hill in die on it. But I'm not that guy. Like, I have very easily convinced if I see things that are smart and positive all by that by that. So give me your Rosen thing we got done I felt Rosen really handled himself. Well in the face of what Steve Smith did to him over the weekend. Did you see the Steve Smith thing on NFL network? Not retail. It not not well enough to do. We have the audio or do we have that audio play? Okay. So this was the day of the draft. This was probably like an hour before he actually got traded. So here's what Steve Smith said on the NFL network. You're mad because they offered competition here. Don't try to take your ball of all Sunday night to damn ball to take. Anyway. So you just keep plenty every team is drafting we got six well six rounded mex- couple of days guys are getting replace. You are replaceable know what they say in the league, the more. You can do it helps you opportunity. So now, you're mad because they awesome competition here. So you try to take your ball of all Sunday to damn ball to take. Anyway. So you just keep playing with your phone, and you keep showing us what what the stigma up you. And who you are was at UCLA. Now, you bought it to the professional level showed us, you still gonna when things don't go your way, you're gonna cry in the corner. But guess what they're gonna kick your ass on somewhere else. And you can go cry and beat her problems. Listen, this is a man's gain. Be a man and go against that, man. One on one. He gets him play. You get ten place. Do you feel ain't nobody gives you only get on this stage? Right now, it's a free as well. Got to work hard for. Let's say Jack, bro. So here's the deal and Kirk and I talked about it and actually had a conversation with key about this off the air. Because here's the way I felt about listening to that in in real time. And I my mind hasn't changed because nothing has been different. That's great television by Steve Smith. But it's not great analysis actually terrible analysis because it's not a fair fight you. He's not getting ten reps. And Colin Murray was getting ten reps in Arizona because if Josh Rosen God forbid beat out Kyla Murray in Arizona. Everybody's getting fired. Okay. That's just it because they just spent forty million dollars on Cuyler Murray to be the number one overall pick as they're they're quite happy about it. And secondly. You talked to guys who played with him in Arizona life. It's Gerald's been very vocal about how good a may. Josh Rosen has been. So the narrative that he's this crappy teammate. You know is perpetuated by this longstanding notion that NFL coaches, generally tend to kind of they they tend to swim in these waters of, oh, if the guy has thoughts outside of football than you know, I don't want to deal with on God forbid, God forbid that, you know, the kid is smart and has a personality, and he's into like environmentalism, and has an opinion on politics. And by the way, he even said today, and this is what I thought was interesting at his press conference. He talked about a couple of different things particularly that he he kind of learned from those experiences and those conversations that all by the way, have it in college. And he's like, you know, what I have learned that sometimes it's you know, I can have my opinions and doesn't mean I'm not gonna share them if asked, but sometimes, you know, I think it's best to keep them to myself like he to paraphrase that's kind of what he said. And. I hope he doesn't necessarily keep all of them to himself. But I just feel like it sucks that we're sitting here stifling kids opinion. Just because he has opinions that may be in some circles controversial simply because we're so divided as a country when it comes to certain things, you know, whether it's in the politicals ski scope or not totally agree with you. I think that's fairly stated I also support Rosen in the his whole approached everything. I like, I also think Arizona did the right thing in getting the quarterback that that Kingsbury thinks is going to be best for this system that he's putting in. I think that coach in quarterback relationship as we've seen is exponentially more important than almost anything else on a football team. So that's good. And I also think that Miami did a great job and getting Rosen just for a second, man. Like, that's that's a great like he was a for a reason they traded up from last year, and he went tenth, and I don't think he was bad last year. So I think all all sides. I think in end up winning on this except for Arizona who probably could have gotten more for him. Had they started shopping earlier that was the one critique out and make of the GM there. All right. So coming up next Buksh ambi- is gonna stop by. We'll talk some dodger baseball with him. He the doctor. We Cody bellinger's has been in Saint. I mean, there's really no other way to describe it. He is. Right for sure. So we'll talk to boob and three minutes. But I got to tell you about my friends at sportclips. The sport clips experiences now even easier with the new sport clips app. So that means it's pretty simple wherever you are. Whatever you're doing you can save your spot by downloading the sport clips app right now. And check it it right from your phone best part. Of course, sport clips MVP experience. The massaging shampoo, the vigorously scout massaged. And of course, the legendary hot steam towel open seven days a week. No appointment needed sportclips where it's good to be a guy, especially with the new sport clips app, Saddam show here on ESPN LA. Tonight hanging out today. Boop Ciampi going to join us here in a second. We put up a poll, and you can vote ABSA Donald ESPN. If you bring up drinking Asahi smoothies in a conversation. Do you come across pretentious, careful careful? I answer this big seventy eight percent say absolutely twenty two percent say no Mook shabby I like to call him the ombudsman for those that don't know what that means. You know, every major company has an ombudsman, which is supposed to be a neutral impartial party. That's going to criticize or credit the different aspects of said company. So we have Buksh ambi- is my personal ombudsman. So what do you think bringing up drinking us ice Moody's in a conversation? Does it come across pretentious? Can I I'm going to say the thing that oh my gosh. I'm gonna get myself in so much trouble. Like immediately as I'm sitting here in New York City like it's so LA. It's so. Yeah. Guilty. We're not having this conversation in New York. So my answer is. Yes, it does Beavis and stop doing it. Okay. On can I let me defend myself. So I'm from Minnesota. We'll talk about the dodgers and baseball. Tomorrow on whatever I had never heard of. I didn't know what was I didn't realize. I don't know color was and where it was running. I moved to LA I moved to LA in two thousand eight and I and I. I'm telling you says, then I look about it is it is that he, but I'm not I'm not going to jump defending mice. What's wrong? What's wrong with little Ossa smoothing who? What? No, great point. Oh, making Dopp. Let's hide yoga and get something that has to Merick in it Anoc like enough, right? I get it. You guys are all healthy Oncle. Look, I really I really have is a sugar addiction. I just bought a mountain dew even though I don't really want one during the break in the vending machine. Oh, man. What else he put us? See tastes good. It takes boob. It's good. It tastes good. And is good for you were winning here. What what is it first of all chewed out? Why are you letting boob? You know, why you have to defend yourself against boob because he's just the toning tone. Yeah. On the defensive all of a sudden your voices. Yeah. I know I know how to do it. Yeah. I mean, you really do you do have a knack you have younger brothers, boo. I do actually. Because I'm a younger, brother. And so there's something my brother has that tone with me. Right. And like when he does it boom that that's what that's what gets me. So I I figured you were an older, brother. Yeah. I mean boob is I believe the premier baseball play by play guy. But he's also the premier schmuck at times as well. Really? I completely agree with that too. I would get with that plenty. And if I could. How about those otters Cody Bellinger dog MVP? That's right. Tear that down tear that down question in our midst. You're eligible MVP down. Yeah. I mean, that's fine. As long as pushing yellow Thiessen still playing I man it's look he's gotten off in great start. He was it's been an interesting path for him to me in terms aid. When he get his rookie year, you know last year a little bit of a regression. Zakian amazing star. That was really good. I don't like, you know. Last year is interesting. I know you guys were calling here and there about like what's wrong with the dodgers. And you know, friends who's talking like that. That's actually calling you going. What's wrong with the dodgers? Yes. You were exactly. Like that fire. It wasn't Sodano. I mean, people were paperwork were questioning Dave would. I would I would. NBN sideline higher going move. Be. I just I I would text you that. Yes. But I was wondering. But I don't believe I actually did it in the Ron burgundy voice. When I make funnier that with this study of. Yeah. So look, really good. I, you know, again, look, I know this is hard at your dodger fan this is hard because it's clinical for mainly. But I'm telling you like if you're a dodger you're gonna win the World Series. I don't know whether it'll be this year or next year. But it's coming like, they're both guys know what they're doing. And they're going it's going to happen. I crossed dot com is going to happen. In their everybody. All right now. Everyone feels good now. All of a sudden, we should all drink say smoothies after this or actually say both. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you prefer bougie soda, boo. Just get the bull man don't the smoothie and bowl. You get to actually have the fruit on top. You get a little Honey glaze. You're the coconuts on there. Maybe a little flashy, you know, Elba chamber, man. No. Oh, hey, so well since we're talking about the dodgers. Let's let's let's talk about Clinton Kershaw. What's different with him as since like, clearly the velocity is in there. But how is he a different pitcher? Like, what are you seeing? What are you hearing from people? I can't give you enough yet. I read to see it play out over longer. I mean, looking as a crime, I still look this guy is still one of the greatest pitchers we've seen these probably going to go down as one of the I think probably one of the five greatest pitchers ever. I don't know your last couple of years because of limited innings, and I also would amend what I'm about to say tell you. I don't think that they care whether they get a hundred and eighty or forty and he's got a curse Schoff. But yeah, it's different velocities down the spin rate down. And yet you're still talking about a guy that knows how to do it. So I can't give you a synopsis on what? Two thousand nineteen is gonna look like from him. You gotta give me a little more time to evaluate by sort. What you know, what is performance will look like, but I think that they're gonna I mean, he's going to be good. He's gonna be very good. Are they get question is will he be very great? Excellent. That's that's really what it gets down to boo gloomy kind of zoom out on the baseball season. I know we're not even thirty games in. But last year, it seemed like it was all the it was all about the AL where you had the Yankees yet. Boston yet Cleveland to a lesser extent in Houston. And then he kind of just had like the dodgers were up there. But I'm not sure if there was another team sending out do you feel like there's that differentiation? Still where there's like these big boys out in the American League. And then I I don't know about the National League, or do you think that like are the dodgers in that class is another National League team that that we have haven't really seen do it? So far have the potential. How do you think things have changed from last year? If at all, I don't bother they change. But like in terms of teams that have the ability to be great or teams that panel will be great. The dodgers are in that class. I think they're the only nationally team staple. And or will be in that class. I think there are multiple American League teams that have the chance to be there. So, you know, I most of these teams have laws I've been a little surprised at how the dodgers have started out or I should say the Red Sox have started out. But the dodgers are. Yeah. The dodgers are really good. And then, and you know, the are starting to hit their stride. I think that you know, you get down to it. And it's like right now the Astros are the best team for me. And in the National League. I'm not sure how good I think. Philly's can be the Braves can be. I thought the nationals. It'd be the best team in that division. I think the central be fun with the cardinals the brewers and the cubs. But I don't I don't think that the dodgers take a back seat to really anyone in terms of what they're capable of being best movie. You've seen before we let you go in the last month free solo really protect a seated yet. About touches movie. Pretentious. It's the movies. Yeah. Lena aside bowl guy. Not really. I'm trying to I'm trying to fight back. So good about how do we know what it is? On. The kid is other kids climb in Yosemite or the adult communist seventy. Yeah. Oh, okay. I heard that that's supposed to be great. Actually, it is. I'd like to talk about it this. He's actually seen it. How about that Trudeau trying to fight? Oh, my two fold thing would be. The cinematography is amazing. I think that they wander into character study. That's pretty incredible. In terms of the main guy, that's climbing that is probably paging, Dr Shami. But I think it's probably on the spectrum doesn't feel fear the way the average person feels fear and. To witness all of it and wants everybody react all around him. It's amazing movie. I I have a hard time imagining someone watching that whole thing and not being left with okay there. Lots offensive out there. So I thought it was it was sensational. There is John boop Giambi. He's the best in the business cause major league baseball ESPN radio Sunday night baseball. He's my friend, and he doesn't eat aside. But we love you. Anyway, Bill on me, if we ever meet in person, boop. Boozman yet. So your hobby. Other. I coming up next. We got what's trending. We back in three minutes. So Donald show here at ESPN LA judo hanging out with us today. We'll get to what strengthening here just a second by the way in about an hour. The Rams third round pick. Bobby Evans who is tackled was picked number ninety seven in the third round. He's going to stop by. So the Rams newest pick. We had Jeff Tillery on is Jeff Tillery. I always forget now. I don't remember what the hell is name is. It is Jeff Chile, right? Mike. I mean, I assume you're talking to Pearson Pearson. Yeah. Yes. Jeff Tillery Notre Dame. We had him on the other day Trudeau for the chargers their first round pick. He was amazing. Like, I was like, wow. That would be like a weekly guest. He was that. Oh, really Jerry tiller jail your tone. Yes. Oh, Jerry, ten off outsca. I'll have to ask my boy, Chris you news. The does a content and run stuff over with the chargers the person Intel on that, dude. If he's he's the man was fantastic. Like, he was he was unbelievable. I wanted to have that kid on all the time. So we'll have a we'll see if Bobby Evans does the same thing for us here. Bobby of it's good player. They traded up to get him in ninety seven. So I don't feel like the Rams do things where I mean, we've given them the benefit of the doubt right now on decisions where if they move up for a guy, you're like, oh that guy's probably good. Yeah. I mean, I also like clearly they didn't see like trading down right from that second round spot would tell you that they think the draft. Is there more guys that are good? But not great unless they had a specific target. So I do think we give them the benefit of the doubt. And I think that basically since Fisher left they've made all the right moves, man. So, you know, give him credit for it. Yeah. So he could be the left tackle this. He could be the guy that replaces Andrew Whitworth, which I think is smart because I don't know how much more Whitworth has got left in the tank at this point. But any and look so being in Oklahoma righty Baker Mayfield and Kyle Murray. Like those last two those are quarterback. So you know, inside of the most guys do. Yeah. For sure so let's get to what's trending fudge. What's trending is brought to my friends at the Duisburg company five tasted rooms in southern California towards Santa Monica. Santa Clarita, Huntington beach and Thousand Oaks daughter beer for the source, go their website, the dudes brew dot com. So Trudell unite talked about it to start the show the Houston Rockets goals day warriors that was a big point of contention. We can actually get into the details of it in a little bit. But the newsy item that came out of what happened yesterday in the warriors win is that Chris Paul was fined thirty five thousand but not suspended for contact with an official. Do you believe that's the right? Call. I mean, I if you'll allow that my earlier rants about the way that the rockets are complaining about officials and in doing things to try to get calls and all that then in in not call me a hypocrite. I also don't think that you should suspend a player for something. Like that Chris does have a reputation for this. He does fly off the handle. He does get more mad on the court than most players in the NBA. But now man, I'm not I'm gonna I'm gonna be able to shake off a little bump you got to find them. I get that just because you can't have that happen. But you know, nobody was hurt. It's all good. I need to see Chris Paul playing a game too. And playing by the way and not just trying to get calls. So yeah, I'm with you on this. I think it was somewhat incidental content. I felt like it was incidental contact. So I'm glad that it was just a steep fine. And not a suspense. I don't want this series decided by suspension, potentially. Like, I just think that that sets another potential black. I right on the series. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I think you talked about it earlier when you were talking about the way that Draymond green got suspended in the finals against Cleveland. I mean that really kind of changed everything really the broad, by the way might not usually get a differently because I felt you said something to the effect of that. That was like a I don't know if it was you said it was terrible. But you didn't love it is the way I interpreted. But LeBron would it be in LA? If that was the case, I don't think you because he wouldn't have beaten the warriors by now. Well, I do agree that I don't think Cleveland would have won that series. If Draymond had not gotten suspended of. But you know, I guess you never know. Right. I mean, you never know LeBron in Cairo, especially were awesome. Yeah. I just didn't. I just didn't love like if you make a decision like that that unless the player gives you know choice, and I guess you could argue that his behavior up to that point it had been building, and he'd been warned, and you know, they're flagrant twos. And other flag. It had been coming. I guess to that point. And I should say like in case I sound like a warriors Homer. I also don't love it went Draymond complains about everything and every call I don't love when Steph does should have been tossed in that game. Probably. Yeah. I mean, he was giving zags Arba. Such earful that. I was I was I I was listening to it on the radio. And then I went back and watched it 'cause I had recorded the game. Okay. So I went back and watched it, and I was stunned that eating dead. A second technical for the way. I mean, he just berated the official after getting the first tack that he needed stop for like a good ninety seconds. Yeah. I mean as much as as much as the whole complaining about officiating in the calls bothers me. I also I also want to make sure I'm additionally complaining about all of the players going after the refs after every call like they're trying their best man. It is a hard sport to referee in these guys. Do it better than anybody else? I think they do a better than most of their sports. It's just it's just a shame. But then the as I say that George the athlete in me. And I look I was I was a college athlete. It was nowhere near this level. The athlete in me thinks about how mad I used to get and how personally wrong, do you feel when you? No you were filed and they don't call it. Right. Like, it is very hard to get out of that athlete mindset. So it's like I'm trying to understand why players get frustrated and why they're going at the refs, and they're also playing for much bigger stakes than college athletics. Like, they're so to some extent like being champion versus not being champion, which I think in their minds. That's the ultimate thing. They're thinking, right. Like that is a lot of pressure. It is a lot of everybody's watching the moment happen. So I don't know if there's a fix here, man. I just wish there were less of it. I wish there were less going at the reps. I wish there were more understanding that these guys are doing their best. But it's a tall task because the emotions in these games for these players are so high dude next week move onto chase Bank. They tweeted something earlier today, which I thought was interesting, and they have since deleted it. They wrote you why is my back banked balanced. So low Bank account may coffee at home Bank account. Eat the food that's already in the fridge Bank account. You don't need a cab. It's only three blocks away you I guess we'll never know Bank account seriously, hashtag, Monday motivation. So they since deleted it because people felt like they were being a bit too. Brutal brutally honest about people, and they were like, well, everybody has different things. And that's not everybody makes him out of money, and you're just kind of casting a wide net. I dunno. I think they were clearly doing something to just kind of show people fiscal responsibility. But we live in a world where everybody freaks out about everything that they had to delete the frigging tweet. Like, I just think it's so stupid. Can't argue with that, man. I just like what's the problem? Who cares? Yeah. That's that's fine. If it was an advertising thing, though, I guess it goes to that school of if it gets attention. It's it's what's the phrase, George was the cliche like there's. No, no, no news is bad. Or no, no news is bad news or no, no too much. They suppress right there. There's no there's no such thing as bad publicity. There you go. Thank you. Yeah. So in that sense. I mean, we're talking about it, and you, and I are defending it know like the brand. And so, you know, hopefully that doesn't affect their bottom line in the other way. Yeah. I mean, look. Smoothies, if they would have done that it would have felt like a personal affront to you. But I mean, they are kind of expensive. If you go to an SEC smoothies shop, but if you buy the packets of them, then you'll really save you some next we've got great Popovich negotiating a new contract with the Spurs. I mean, what the hell I mean, should they just give them like ownership at this point? Well, there were weirded I hear maybe it was maybe it was on Simmons's podcast. So they're saying this is before they the bottom line came up today. Right. Where he was talking to them about an extension. They said, I I don't know. Maybe maybe we'll just have one more year, and then do the team USA thing. But I think when he signed onto team USA like that was signaling that he's still in the game. Right. And he's not I don't think he's just going to coach team USA for like one year. Like, that's a that's a job you want to kind of, you know, have ownership of for a while a light coach K did. And I think while you're while you're already in that mindset all of the players that you're going to be coaching play in the NBA. Right. So like, I don't know. I I don't I don't see a coach like sound like coach. Hey took Duke off right and then focused on team USA. So when when he signed that contract to team USA, I figured he'd have at least another Spurs contract. Then next. We'll get into a more in-depth gave a froze discussion in the last hour of the show. But one of the things obviously trending is the battle of winter fell. What were your overall overarching thoughts without any spoiler context here about the battle of winter fell as a television show at a television experience. How do I give thoughts on it without spoiling? Well, I mean, you don't have to give specific details. As to what happened like, you could just talk about what you thought about everything that involved. Yeah. Just kind of the value of it. I'll try I mean, look this is, you know, I'll try to stay within your guidelines, George, you know, and I don't want to disrupt the show. Overall. I love the show. I mostly loved the episode where there were there a couple of things, right? That could have been played out a little bit different way. In terms of battle strategy, like just obvious battle strategy. Not that I am a veteran or anything. Is busy coming for my experience like playing assassin's creed on XBox of tactical things. I was like what what are you doing this? It's like, yeah. I I won't say what it is. But they're the first tactic that they use the to send a certain part of the army out to confront it just seemed like a weird choice in the way that the dragons were used there's stuff like that that sure we can Monday morning quarterback. But overall, man, I I'm so invested as so many people are in these characters that we've been with like, it's so that's that's stuff both enjoyable and terrifying kind of just waiting to see who's gonna get clipped or not. So I'm on thrones. I have been for a long time. I've been trying to convince people like Ireland who was was adamant about not watching it, and then came along and loves it. So I mean, man, I think it's probably it's pretty clear to me now that when all of a sudden down it will be the greatest television show of all time. Yeah. I I would agree with that aspect of it. I do think that it's certainly become a cultural phenomenon especially it's. Weird right at age where there's more opportunities for people to watch more variety of things. I guess where there's not like this. Generally, you would think that there'd be less of a universal approach to watching stuff. But you know, hundred million people watch this worldwide last night, which is insane. When you think about it and in this country alone. Well, over twenty million people watched it, so it is pretty incredible. What they've been able to accomplish next. We've got the raptors Sixers are playing right now has lettered kind of secured his spot again Trudell as the best two way player in the NBA after the performance that you saw game one against the Sixers are this is a I don't know if I have enough time honestly for this argument. Let me try to keep it really short coli is fantastic. Like defensively. I don't know if he's doing as much as he did at his peak Spurs time, but he's close he also doesn't need to because he's got Seok him on the other wing, and they basically rotate terrorizing in a whoever the wings are on the on the opposing team in this case Philly, and so he doesn't have to do as much. Plus, he's got other Lowery's a plus defender, Markus. All in a playoff game is fantastic on that. And when he's engaged so but offensively Kawai is amazing at playing on an island. And I think Anthony Davis is in the same is in the same vein. Like, they have they can do everything they can shoot they can drive. They can post their great offensively officiant. But they don't quite do as much as say, a Hardin curry Durant. One of these elite one of those other Ila brand like those are the guys even kyri that not only can they get their own shot whatever they want, but they can also do it within the team structure. And so that's still that it's that one little thing to me that separates Davis. And quite just on the outside of that group. Of guys who sort of who sort of run the whole game themselves, but they're so elite and so damn good at what they do that. It's tough to make the argument that I just tried to make. Yeah. I mean, the answer is. Yes. But it's okay. If you want to go into that. Well, do you want me do disagree with that don't they don't they're not those guys are not the playmakers that the other like anyone else that you if I hate who are the five best players, right? Like every single one of those guys make plays in addition to scores. And I don't think Hawaiian Davis do that at the same level. And so that it depends like Yokich, for example, does do that. Now, he's not as impactful defensively, but like Yokich can also make plays and you can run a whole MBA offense off of that. And like, I I love that part of basketball. Yes, what I would want. I'm going to answer that or the other side, but real quick before we go shutout in may he rest in peace. John singleton groundbreaking film director screenwriter producer passed away on Monday and LA after suffering a stroke on April seventeenth, he was fifty one years old. And of course, boys in the hood, being the most iconic film that that he made I thought, but yeah, you know, he with the player high school Pasadena City College USC all that man. You know, he'll be missed certainly was a great director, John singleton. So coming up next. I will answer your question. We'll get into kind of the co thing that you brought up. Plus why Judy how hates hearted? It's very simple. It's a very simple question. It's a very simple answer to it. We'll get to all that covered. Interesting. Interesting.

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Podcast: Brad Inman On How To Survive Now | Agent Bail Out Program

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Podcast: Brad Inman On How To Survive Now | Agent Bail Out Program

"Welcome to real estate. Coaching Radio starring award-winning real estate coaches and number one. International bestselling authors. Tim and Julie Harris Real Estate Coaching Radio is the nation's number one daily radio show per realtors who demand authentic real time. Coaching get ready for fly. Free unfiltered full-strength Jonoski about what's working to get you into action helping others and making money now in today's real estate market or hosts Tim and Julie. Hey welcome back podcast listeners. I have a very special guest. The longtime friend someone. That's admired in the industry. Who actually giving me really good advice. Pivotal moment in the expansion of our business. Mr Brad Inland Brad. Welcome to our bonus show today and thank you for the time appreciate breeding them. So what Brandon are going to be doing. We're going to be drilling down. Obviously on what's happening right now. In the real estate industry I assure all of you. Hopefully all of you have been reading. Brad's website in the news features every single day. Because they're always the best. You know the breaking news with it's relevant to the real estate industry Sir Brad from your perspective. How BIG GENERAL QUESTION? That's impossible to answer from your perspective where you think we're going to be and say sixty to ninety days. Well right now. Jim Brought ball at home sitting around creating podcasts control. That's that's what's going on right this second. I never seen so much digital media my life. I I I feel like We started a touch touch football game. And everybody's playing and we have to get a superdome to that everybody in so I'm being here. I think it's wonderful. People feel real need to share Intimidate you know. I don't predict the future. I I I'm an observer and I turned economists who are always wrong to predict the future just because people want to see a PhD behind their name and see what they have to say but I have no clue You know I think a lot of people who are working not only in the in the current situation with great tenacity and open-mindedness and most people I think right now are also trying to protect themselves and be safe so they don't catch the virus. I'm still shocked that there are places in the US but people haven't figured out that `isolation is critical to their own personal health. And those people around them so I think that's you know. Everyone says the same old thing health her health. I but I think it's really really true. And I think the industry is is finally getting that. I do know that there's a lot of really smart people saying you know what's what's on the other side and preparing for that knowing that there's a you know a a horrible period here of of More and more of our our friends and family getting the virus and unfortunately some of them dying in reading about not only celebrities but everyday people getting the virus and then I think People are hunkering down to figure out how to how to exist without revenue And then I think people are trying to preserve the infrastructure. They have in their companies or their own relationships network. So that when we come out the other end whenever that is they're prepared to take advantage of the opportunities and that's Kinda how I see it I don't mean a duck your question but I like it good. I I I could see around the bend when it comes to things like tack and Innovation and 'cause I talked to so many people and I know what they're working on so I'm an informed observer to make predictions that are wrong half the time but when it comes to this particular situation there is no playbook there is no history book. Never have we been hit. You know Simultaneously by an incredible health hazard pandemic and An instantly collapsing economy. And so anyone. That says they know what's going to happen next. I think is the real estate industry and that's I tend to try to avoid that absolutely. I agree completely and I appreciate your show with your answer to So here's an interesting thought for all of you guys listening first things first and Brad just said it. He said the word protect. You've gotta be protecting your own cash flow your own you know. Essentially everything is going on your life financially. There's an I know Brad. I think you've been writing articles about this. Staff has there are a lot of Mortgage forbearance programs that are out there that every listener needs to basically be. You guys need to lock those in immediately at the low end you'll have three months or the no payments that does not hit. Hurt your credit it. There's no downside to it. And and really some of the programs go up to twelve months. I saw one yesterday. Goes up to fifteen months. And it applies to primary mortgages investment properties. It does not matter. What kind of mortgage? I even think they're going to extend its commercial. See absolutely positively have to get on the wire and speak to your lender your servicer and get it forbearance and place. Even if you don't think you need it like you know delight. We have a lot of rental properties only four have lawns and sure enough. Yesterday we noticed one of our tenants that they can't pay the rent and that's one of the ones that was and so. That's that's the type of thing that's going to catch. Everyone surprise. Take advantage of the programs. You Buddy read online on facebook. Actually now. We're all democrats waiting around for a check to arrive in the mail. And whatever new program comes out but that really is the case. So agent If you don't want to spend time researching rural that information just text the word survival. Two three nine six. And we've got it all organized free ready for you to access immediately. Text the word survival two three one nine nine six Yeah so I always thought it was interesting reading your reading in the news. The number of large brokerages that are having huge layoffs. What do you have any clue what type of staff they're laying off or is it just a little bit from every department or is it you have do you have any insight on that where they're Kinda? Yeah I think it's yeah it's Executive pay which is really happy to hear Handful of executives Watson middle managers office managers You know that's the God of the payroll right of Most broker owners and in some cases. You know assistance are going out the window. Which is unfortunate that whole support network that is so vital when the market's buydell active but suddenly becomes unnecessary You know I no more no more than what our reporters are reporting and it. It seems to be you know compass got trasfer doing it. You know I told you so kind of nonsense towards compass But they were the first to lead on a very difficult decision followed up you know what a week later a few days later. I Dunno time you lose. You can't even put time perspective anymore. Tim I don't know about you you can't story for. I think I think that. Fourteenth of March and the twenty third. I think it's Thursday Tuesday but that's a disorientation we're all experiencing in this this craziness but I think these two were I in. It's going to be followed by dozens and dozens of others and the people that you know trash Robert Rankin at compass for told you so I told you so are GonNa look quite silly when they too are going to probably have to make some tough decisions. I think the last thing anyone just WanNa do is lay off good people and you know I think You just said something really important. You just started the list but before you start telling your customers all about these things take care of your own mortgage you know. See what your cities or counties are doing On property taxes a lot of them are saying state law. We can't change it but we expect. Gu Gubernatorial easy on this but they are for late payments their many states. I think California's when they're not charging late. Fees so you know. Pay Late The government is going to potentially provide unemployment independent contractors which could realtors. There's a lot of ways and I think you giving really strong particular advice. Specific advice him so valuable but go clean up your own house before you go decide to help your clients and then the second thing I would say is. Don't put yourself at risk trying to help your clients unless you really are really interested in you know. Committing suicide Take care of your own health. Take care of your own balance sheet take care of your own expenses take advantage. Everything be really really focused one at a time. Take care of the mortgage today. Find out about your property. Taxes Tomorrow Digging deep and find out really quickly about You know how to file an employment independent contractor once your houses in order. It's your then in a position. It's kind of like jogging or doing yoga in the morning. Then you're prepared to refocus on your clients but I've heard so many stories online in our community I'm doing all this for my clients doing all this right clients. It's like Whoa take a deep breath. Bundy healthy to get your financial shipping order. And then go help your clients because you're not going to be very good to them as bad in a hospital in a respirator If you really WANNA help your clients and that truly is your ambition then you can only do that if you take care of yourself. Yeah we're calling that. Put your mask on I this part of this thing that we're getting its three parts. Basically I it's called personal that unite. Just talk about the second part is called protect the last one is called profit and maybe it will be really focusing on profit and other six to eight months. Hopefully but right. Now it's all about and it's so funny Brad. People are spending so much time talking about lead generation talking about those networking talking about videos. Guys Stop it get your mortgage and forbearance get your car payments and forbearance get your rental properties and forbearance get your credit cards and forbearance make it so that you stop spending money immediately because nobody knows and I asked Brad this question answering this the truth. Nobody knows because there's never been anything like in. Here's the other thing I'd always reminds me of September eleventh. Really how restaurants were still open. I mean after a couple days right. I mean the economy didn't crash right. I mean yeah no. I don't I don't think but I think all of that's good advice. I mean I do think we should ask people like I do. This in my podcast. What was one significant event in your life that you know? Put you in a situation where it was hard to get out of bed. It was hard to put one step in front of the other and go back and reflect on those moments in life and how you survived and whatever strength you had whatever com this you had or whatever whatever mentor friends around to help you. I actually do think there are tons of lessons You know I asked. Brian Burrow today about The Oakland Fire when twenty eight hundred homes burned up in his house was threatened with his parents. He was a young man and his grandfather's house burned down he. He had all kinds of stories pat stone serving in Vietnam all kinds of stories You know I had. I talked to Stefan Swanepoel and you know. He was in Hong Kong during of an incredible flu epidemic and he was in South Africa during disruption. So I say there's no specific playbook but each of us is individuals that horrible divorce. You had the loss of your father. The lost of a child All of these things were lessons in life that you know together. Prepare us for this kind of emotionally and spiritually and psychologically and so I don't mean to dismiss your observation. Tim Only only if you deep you'll find in your life unless you're fifteen years old that you've had a lot of incidents where you were. You were isolated. You may have been alone. You were frightened. You were scared to death You know I have a good good friend in Morocco and she spent a Lotta time trying to find. The perfect mate traveled around the world. Extr extremely successful film producer. I WORKED WITH HER FOR YEARS. At turn here. And mazing woman always had a professional together but never quite got the relationship or the child and Lo and behold she goes to Morocco and she meets a French ex pat unbelievably beautiful man and he was a he was a successful chef and a good looking guy and she fell in love. She married him. She had a four year old girl one night at two in the morning she wakes up with blood all over her body and a man is leaning over hacking her husband to death and she had to fend him off and save the daughter. Sumerian are very dear friends. This happened about two years ago so of course I went to her for advice and and I said Wow. I expected her to say something trite like. Oh it could be worse. But she did she said. Get Out of yourself. Bradley think of others she goes get going with that news service and do things that are going to help others volunteer. The only way to save yourself and that for me was like. Here's a friend that I kinda went through something with her. Not really but you know from a distance and of course went right to her to see her when it happened but she had so much valuable not trite stupid self help. These quotes the cell phone books. I could puke Puke real stories by real people not find a tutor not concepts for real experiences. That people have suffered that are parallel enough for us to get less. And so that that's one thing I think this is a momma to do and it does require reflect on your life and maybe have some regrets when you reflect too much but there are incidents all of our lives that prepared us for this C- Listeners. Wildlife Preachy. I feel like I'M COOKING. Tim. And my preaching no. I like it do it. I like the preaching. I liked the voice. I like what you're saying. I like the serenity. Honestly it's what the community needs right now. You know that's true and I like you were just talking about is essentially the collective wisdom. No one's been through anything like this but collectively. We had our own personal setbacks. And if we just sort of pull on the strength that we had to manifest when we were experiencing that together collectively. We'll get through it together and I. I liked that Brad. Thank you for taking the time to give all that detail I serve. You'll get like well you know when you think about it. And we're in our houses with their family and friends. We're vulnerable right. We you know may not be dressed up we may you know and not shaved. We may not know God forbid thruster teeth. But look doing now. We're bringing people into our living rooms with zoom in other video tools. And you know I'm talking to people who are big shots with big offices and they're sitting at their kitchen table looking at the sink and what I find. Really wonderful about Is One that it's a big equalizer here but it's also we have an opportunity to be vulnerable like we're when we're at home when we're at home vulnerable we cry you know we. We tell secrets not all of them but we we are vulnerable human beings mostly with her. Family's what I'm noticing now is. People are being vulnerable with one. Another I I recall. The story passed on. Who is the one of the most successful people real estate that most people don't even know But an amazing human being and somehow when I interviewed him I had thought about twenty years. I remember going to his office in Santa Barbara. I was going through horrible experience and he was a new friend but he was so calm. So together you know three tours in Vietnam but the coolest cat I've ever met in my life. An unbelievable service leader great executive and he handed me a twelve book. Series called the hornblower fiction about a British sailor In the eighteenth century and he said. Hey this'll help you out and I'm like really and He didn't have any some stupid self-help book by some idiot. That doesn't know anything. He handed me twelve set novels. I went up to the woods and cinema where I had a home and I read them for the next week and I came out ready to conquer the world I got out of bed. I made my but one step in front of the other and I was a better human being but I had forgotten that story until this interviewing pat and I got to share that with the community rigging go read the hornblower series. If you're really bummed out you'll feel better that's awesome Another book though. It's not as inspirational. Describe it everyone should be reading It's called profits aren't everything the only thing It's pretty much the I think. The blueprint for what most brokerages and businesses should be paying attention to right now. I don't know the author Julian. I probably listened to it twice a year profits. Aren't everything the only thing And that's GONNA essentially put your mind in the place where it needs to be a spurs getting into the protection that we were just talking about. And Brad's obviously talking about how to protect your mindset and keep your heads clear so this doesn't become emotional black hole for you long term which definitely makes sense to Yeah Brad I don't even want to keep you on the podcast forever. I know you've got other appointments on anything else. You'd like to stay up well. One year the most important thing That I could possibly be doing him. And you know why Because he's got nothing to do with it and brush your teeth. No because I'm doing it right now with you. This is the time to be present and by the way can I leave one last year of course Amazon and a one hour one hour and hour glass. It's called an hourglass. You can buy them for fifteen minutes. You can buy them for but the old fashioned hourglass. It's one hour and I've been doing this for a long time. This sounds like some self lbs but it's not get that hourglass get or Amazon. Getting a few days get a colorful. Pretty one whatever you want. Make sure it's glass not some play plastic one and just when you're ready like if you're having coffee with your spouse or your partner just turn it over and somehow when you turn it over you think well. I got it really take advantage of this hour so I should make really sure that I'm giving more in this conversation with my spouse that I'm taking you will come up with other things. I should be understanding. I should listen and then focus is really hard right not about the rest of your cats up there but it is really hard to focus. I'm a reader and a writer and I'm having trouble reading and writing cause trouble paying attention but the hourglass I flip it over and say I'm GonNa read a physical book for an hour. It's Kinda painful. It's going to Catholic Church when I was eight. I couldn't stand it and Back then I used to count it. Three thousand six hundred. 'cause church mass would be over but my point is is the the hourglass gives you a piece of time that's manageable. You know if you say a day at a time when that sounds like you're in a if you say I'm GonNa be present right now. That's Brigand impossible. Whatever the guru say but ours manageable. So whatever you're GONNA do just turn it over and whatever you do that our tried to do that our really well and when it's over you'll get this really great sensation so that's my tip of the day. No it's awesome man so you guys listened to Brian. You're doing really cool setup interviews every day that are just short into the point like this was And you guys can find those there. It's not behind your paywall right. They don't have to pay to listen right now. Tim Is Free for ninety days. It was our first sign up and you get everything on and it's free it doesn't cost you anything and that was our way of saying God. We hope for this in ninety days. And when you're done if you go ahead and pay for it but at least ninety days we're you know you gotta go through a little little things to get going cooking but Yeah you can get access to everything so those of you that have been on that. GonNa Pay Brad. Inman anything You you can get Brad Inman if you want him for free for ninety days and you can try everything But you know some stuff still isn't under the paywall if you're unwilling to do that and that's fine but if you WANNA get Inman Free. It's easy to do now So listeners he's doing a great series of interviews fifteen to twenty minutes definitely want to listen to them and I really liked what you said. Because that's the nursing from your interviews lack of personality. I think you said that looking at your kitchen sink literally looking at my kitchen. Sink by noticing The nature of Julian. Ice PODCAST is even changed less Preachy you know. And they've become definitely out but more homeboy think. And you're right that happens consciously. You're helping me realize that that's where it's coming from. There's a certain sense of wanting to really connect and help people not just broadcast. So you know who knows what comes on the other side of this and I can tell. Your mind is geared towards looking for the positive but also we have to make sure we protect each other guys. This thing is real We're not GONNA do a PSA on washing your hands but the reality of it is stay at home do what the government says right now. This thing we need to do work collectively to put this in our rear view mirror as fast as possible. It's going to change pretty much everything you know really it is and weighs. We can't even imagine that but for now we have to fight to keep people healthy so this thing doesn't spread it doesn't become you know something that is just unfathomable unimaginable. So do take that. Do you know what I can't you know? They did Walmart delivered all my groceries. And you know I. I left twenty dollars for the guy. These service workers. I leave beer out to the ups drivers. But I I went out and I twenty dollars. I said just sit there. I had my garbage can there? I had andy wipes and every other thing I took the bags threw him away. And then I wipe my hands and then I wiped down every single and there were hundreds of pieces of groceries and the old days I was too busy to rush to You know I you know how we all were like. I said I got timid noon. I got forty minutes. There's nothing I need to do. More than protect my health and I wiped down every single bottle and then I took my clothes off outside and then I put them in a rake and took him into the Washer and dryer and wash the clothes. I adjust put on A half an hour before Walmart showed up now. Is that stupid? No I WANNA live. I don't WanNa die. I love this life. I love Tim Harris. I loved his wife. Julie I love the real estate community. I love my kids my grandkids. I love the Sun. I love to bike. I don't WanNa die so it's look stupid. I guess or anyone looking at me outside. I don't give a shit cause I wanNA live Amen You know what go on you do. Keep it up. Okay we are. Ah YOU'RE GONNA keep it up and and your inspiring to me right now and I really appreciate that. You always have been back when I discovered you. And you know when you're starting the news back in the ninety s you've been inspiring ever since then and you're one of the five people I go to either in my mind for advice or actually picking up the phone so I really appreciate it. It's mutual Tim. You always give it to me back so I love you take care. God bless you sir. Bye This program has been a presentation by Tim. And Julie Harris Real Estate Coaching for more information on Real Estate Coaching and training programs visit our website at Tim and Julie Harris Dot COM. Remember tune weekdays at noon for upcoming shows until next time. Thank you for listening to real estate. Coaching Radio Tim and Julie Harris.

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SYMHC Classics: The Bawdy House Riots of 1668

Stuff You Missed in History Class

27:07 min | 2 years ago

SYMHC Classics: The Bawdy House Riots of 1668

"He was near as Robert Evans. He the host of the podcast behind the bastards his launching a new show called it could happen here. Every season. He's going gonna take a premise. That's more commonly seen in fiction and explain how it could be closer than you might think to coming true in. It could happen here Robert is going to make indepth research statistics and his own experience. And in this season. He's going to draw on that experience. Reporting multiple civil wars around the world to look at the idea of a second American civil war. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the I heart radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Happy Saturday everybody this week on this show. We talked about the fifteen seventeen evil May Day riots. And we mentioned at the end of the episode that riots among London's apprentices became something of a tradition in early modern London. And here's the episode where we've talked a little bit more about that. It is our February twenty sixteen episode on the body house riots of sixteen sixty eight enjoy. Welcome to stuff you missed in history. Class a production of heart radios. How stuff works? Hello and welcome to the podcast, I'm Tracy v Wilson. And I'm Holly fry possibly the weirdest thing that I've ever learned on this podcast. And that includes having done a podcast about people who turned into soap after they died in early modern London. When apprentices had a holiday the thing to do was to go knock over some brothels like that's not star thing right now. And I don't knock over like like sling for robbing them. I mean knock over like literally pulled him down. And today, we're going to talk about one such riot. And it took place during Easter week of sixteen sixty eight. Although this particular riot was a lot bigger and a lot more complicated than just the normal apprentices having a day off tearing down some brothels, which was the thing that they like to do so heads up today's podcast is not explicit. And we are not going to talk about what goes on in a body house. But yes, parents and. Shire's body house means what you think it means. So today's show is maybe not for the youngest of the listeners. So as Tracy suggested lots of people rioted at London's brothels in sixteen sixty eight not just apprentices, but apprentices are cited again, and again is making up the bulk of the crowd in the story. So we're going to take a moment to shed some light on who these young people nearly all of them young men were for a few hundred years in England apprenticeship was a seven year indenture that combined both work and instruction and originally people had been apprentice to the master of a guild came in quite a bit of prestige and was kind of a systematized organization for apprenticeships, but by the seventeenth century when we're talking about today. London's guild system was really in decline and that meant that the apprentice system was showing some strain as well what had been a really prestigious appointment directly with the master of a guild was instead moving. Closer and closer to just flat out unpaid servitude that did not come with many advantages, and this is probably why by the mid sixteen hundreds a lot of people work with were quitting their apprenticeship after two or three years, even though they hadn't really finished. You can look at charts of the average of how long people stayed in their posts. And there's a precipitous decline between your three and four. If people had the opportunity to get out of their apprenticeship they did. Although people came from all over England to apprentice in London, most of London's apprentices were from the surrounding area the farther away, you got from London. The fewer people went to London to be apprenticed. And most of the apprentices were from relatively affluent families at least once who either had or could borrow enough money to make an initial payment to a master in exchange for taking their son on as an apprentice. Once that money was paid in the apprenticeship actually began though, apprentices usually did not. Make any money of their own because they were being paid in instruction and experience not in wages is sort of an extreme version of the unpaid internship. They also had very few freedoms they needed their master's permission to marry socialized to go to the theatre to tavern. Basically anything fun in sixteen sixty the average age of an apprentice was seventeen or eighteen. So with all that in mind. It may be a little less surprising that he popular pastime among Linden's seventeenth century. Apprentices was the brothel riot on holidays, particularly Shrove Tuesday, which is the last Tuesday before lent apprentice frequently wrecked Linden's brothels between sixteen six and sixteen forty one. There were twenty four Shrove Tuesday brothel riots that we know about that's twenty-four full-scale riots in thirty five years and in case the name Shrove, Tuesday doesn't ring a bell oaks might know it better as fat Tuesday or mardi gras. Yeah. It's absorbed or celebrated in a lot of different ways all over the world. But strove Tuesday is is what people were Moseley calling it in England at this time. During a brothel riot. Rioters would use tools like staves and bars to literally pull down buildings and this naturally caused a lot of property damage and displaced anybody who'd had been living or working inside the damaged or destroyed structures, regardless of what your personal feelings are about brothels a lot of times, these are people who did not have any other option for supporting themselves. So they would be out of work in homeless after the riot. And in spite of their popularity in terms of having a pretty consistent customer base, brothels were not popular from a religious or social standpoint, plenty of people visited brothels, but plenty of people thought brothels were a sinful scourge on London sometimes these worked out to be the exact same people because brothels in spite of their popularity were viewed as CD and immoral the apprentices who tore them down. Didn't usually get a lot of harsh. Punishment? They would see a small fine and a short imprisonment if anything the general consensus was that apprentices doing a good thing by destroying the city's brothels. So when it came to this Shrove, Tuesday, riding tradition English political writer James Harrington called it and quote ancient administration of Justice at Shrove tide. The sixteen sixty eight riot on the other hand was exceptional. It was much much bigger and instead of happening at Shrove Tuesday before lent. It happened on Easter Monday after lent was over and it lasted for three days. The property damage is much greater and the perpetrators faced much much harsher punishments even harsher than might be expected by the increase in the size of the riot. And we're going to talk about the sixteen sixty eight riot with more specificity after we pause for brief word from one of our fantastic. Sponsors. 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Starring Kyle Chandler Academy Award nominee VERA for Miya and Millie Bobby Brown in her cinematic debut, Godzilla king of the monsters storms into theaters may. I. On Easter Monday sixteen sixty eight which fell on March twenty third of that year. Rioters armed with simple weapons, like polacks staves and iron bars. Started pulling down the brothels and poplar in London's east end and yes fans of call the mid the midwife that's the same poplar aware that show is set according to historical accounts. These writers were apprentices. They probably included other people to though, poplar was home to lots of sailors and many of them were currently at home without a lot to occupy their time. Having been recently released from service after the end of the second Anglo Dutch war which went on from sixteen sixty five to sixteen sixty seven the first brothel to be struck belong to Damaris page who is known as quote, the great Bod of the semen by which we mean men who worked on the sea or sailors not the other possible interpretation regardless these rioters organize themselves into regiments each one had its own captain. And it's it's. Colors. Green was particularly popular one of those captains was named Peter messenger. Which is why sometimes these riots are referred to as the messenger riots on Tuesday similarly, armed rioters spread through London targeting the district's where the city's highest concentrations of body houses were located at least five hundred people were involved in this second day of rioting and pulling down buildings. This is win. The crown got involved to try to maintain order a letter to the Lord Mayor and Lieutenant of the city was sent in the name of king. Charles the second ordering the watch to be doubled. And for two companies of militia to be mustered to suppress the riot famed London diarist Samuel peeps. Wrote about it in his diary for the day of March twenty fours at Whitehall. He said there was quote, great talk of the tilts on the other end of the town about more fields among the princes taking the liberty of these holy days to pull down body houses and Lord to see the apprehensions, which this did give to all people at. Court that presently order was given for all the soldiers horse and foot to be in arms and forthwith alarms were beat by drum and trumpet through Westminster and all to their colors and two-horse as if the French were coming into town. I remember reading a lot of people diary in like literature class. I feel like they left out. All the funny parts, I do too because I did the same and it wasn't until much later in life. Where I was like there's good stuff in there. This really entertaining this bit in particular made me laugh every the whole time I was typing it in their Tuesday's riots led to arrests and some of the riders laid siege to Finsbury jail where they believed their compatriots were being held. They did not actually find any other rioters in the jail, though. But for unrelated persons did manage to escape in all the chaos the rioters were more successful in their goals at the new prison in Clerkenwell, which did have some of the arrested Rier rioters being held there. And they were broken out. Peeps. Also went out with his friends to see the riots in action on Tuesday, but they mostly found lots and lots of soldiers and people who were vexed that the soldiers were going after the apprentice. Is he repeats a couple of times in his Tuesday diary, entry overhearing people say, quote, it was only for pulling down the body houses. He also notes that this whole event apparently perplex king Charles the second if the body houses were such a scourge on London so much. So that people supported pulling them down. Then again from the peeps diary the question, quote, why why do they go to them? Then as a side note. I mean, we established earlier in the podcast that this strove Tuesday brothel riot was a kind of a tradition. So why would king Charles the second be so perplexed? A lot of those riots had happened either before he was born or while he was in exile in France after the beheading of his father, Charles the first so it's possible that he this was the first time he had really experienced firsthand or heard in more detail about this idea of the London body house riot I like that he can't see and grasp the to face nature of humanity. In many cases. I'm like, oh, Chuck come on. You have a conversation with Charles the second about the duality. Then on Wednesday, a very large group of rioters the exact numbers are unclear but it was probably in the thousands continued to attack ruffles around more fields. The rioters started threatening to pull the palace at Whitehall down and chanted things like, quote, we've been the servants. Now, we'll be the masters in another rallying cry was reformation and reduce moments. Oh, this rioting continued to vex the crown and the court at Whitehall peeps. Wrote about Wednesday's riots in his diary as well. And here's what he wrote, quote, the Duke of York and all with him this morning. We're full of talk of the Prentice is who are not yet put down though, the guards and militia the town have been in arms all night and the night before and the practices have made fools of them. Sometimes by running from them and flinging stones at them, some blood has been spilt, but a great many houses pulled down and among others. The Duke of York was. Mighty Mary at that of demars pages. The great Bod of the semen and the Duke of York complained merrily that he had lost two tenants by their houses being pulled down who paid him for their wine licenses fifteen pounds of a year. So just to recap at Duke of York is upset that his tenants. The bonds who pay him for wine licenses have been displaced by this rioting. But not really concerned about them. Just his income. It was on the inconvenience and loss of income to himself. Yeah. It was on Wednesday that the militia guards and even the kings lifeguard dispersed, the rioters and arrested many of the apparent ringleaders happening concurrently with the last two days of this riot were the publications of a couple of pieces of satirical writing. We don't actually know who wrote them or whether they were the work of the rioters or not we don't really have a sense of whether the people writing these deteriorate things were working with the rioters or opposed to them or exactly what. In terms of the writers themselves was going on. We can't accurately say whether these particular writings reflected, the views of the rioters, but they definitely were reflecting the views of some people alive at the time who were involved in all of this. So they shed some light on sort of what people were thinking out in London the first which is presented in. The form of a petition was known as the poor whores petition. It was purportedly drafted by the displaced Boggs who's brothels had been pulled down and it came out on March twenty fifth which was the Wednesday of the riot it lampooned both the women who worked in the body houses and lady castle main or more properly Barbara Villiers duchess of Cleveland who was the notorious and married mistress of Charles the second. This photo petition was highly critical of both the king and his mistress. But it also contained a plea to lady castle main that she would try to protect all these displaced women from the body houses after all goes, the logic of this writing new are one of us lady castle, Maine. The two satirical writings that followed were both in the form of a letter from lady castle main back to the displaced broads. They're identical except for the first paragraph, and they go onto lamb Poon, both lady castle main in the Anglican church. There's a lot of criticism woven into both the petition and the response. They criticized Charles the second for keeping a mistress. They criticize lady castle main for being Catholic. They criticize the Catholic church for earning an income from taxes on brothels, and they criticized the archbishop of Canterbury for purportedly keeping a mistress of his own. And it's these same themes of religion and hypocrisy that may help to explain why this particular riot got so very big and why their response to it was so much bigger. And we're gonna talk about all that after we pause for brief word from one of our fantastic sponsors. I can't believe it that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead NO, everybody. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Geico. You dope projected increase in organic three revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. While London's previous rope Tuesday brought the riots had been punished with what was basically a slap on the wrist, the sixteen sixty eight riots ended with a great many people being brought to trial. It's unclear exactly how many people were prosecuted for participating in the riot only seventy seven of those who wound up in court were actually identified by name either in the records or historians having all the pieces together since then, but very little is known even about them. Fifteen ultimately were indicted for high treason Damaris page turned state's witnessed during the trial with the court being very careful to avoid mentioning precisely what her job was so that she would appear credible in the account. She gave of destruction of property and many of the other women who had worked the destroyed body houses on the other hand wound up being prosecuted in the aftermath of the riot and a punishment that was acknowledged by the high court and other people surrounding the case as just incongruously harsh four. Of the men who were convicted of high treason were hanged drawn and quartered. This was by far the most extreme punishment allowed under the most severe interpretation of the law. It was far far greater than how body house riots had typically been handled in England. There are lots of possible explanations for exactly why the crackdown on. This specific riot was so extreme one described in nineteen Eighty-six paper on in the historical journal is by Dr Tim Harris, then at Emmanuel college Cambridge. And now at Brown in his interpretation, basically is at the riot itself was more about dissatisfaction with the restoration than it really was about the brothels and that the rioters were so harshly treated because of that political and religious undertone. So when extraordinarily brief recap of the restoration when Charles seconds father was executed in sixteen forty nine. Oliver Cromwell came to power at which point England became a Republic. Charles the second fled to the continent and Cromwell remained in power until his death in sixteen fifty eight than in sixteen sixty Charles the second ascended to the throne at which point the monarchy was restored. That's the restoration. There are entire books about the restoration. And there was a whole lot more that went on behind the scenes, and what we just said. So that is an extremely quick summary for those of you who don't remember or never learned that in a lot of historical accounts, the general description of the restoration was that Lennon was really really in favor of Charles the seconds return. There had been demonstrations against the army and in favor of Charles is the monarch in the years before the restoration actually took place. Some of that agitation was as much about religion as it was about the monarch some of the people who were pressing for Charles the second return to England were hoping that he would allow a greater degree of freedom of religion, the religions that diverged in some way from Anglican teachings like Presbyterians, Quakers, Baptists Methodists and Unitarians among others were all. Handed is dissenting or nonconformist religions, many of London's apprentices were adherence to one of these non-conforming denominations instead in sixteen sixty Charles the second still an exile issued the declaration of Braida which was one of the last steps before he was restored to the throne. He wrote this statement, quote, and because the passion and uncharitable -ness of the times have produced several opinions in religion by which men are engaged in parties and animosities against each other, which when they shall hereafter unite in a freedom of conversation will be composed or better understood we do declare liberty to tender consciences, and that no man shall be disquieted or called in question for differences of opinion in matters of religion, which do not disturb the peace of the kingdom. And that we shall be ready to consent to such an act of parliament as upon mature deliberation shall be offered to us for the full granting that indulgence. In other words, people would have freedom of religion provided that their opinions did not quote, disturb, the peace of the kingdom, and among those opinions apparently disturbing the peace of the kingdom were various nonconformists Quakers and Baptists in particular, frequently wound up in court on charges of quote attendance, at a nonconformist conventional Harris also cites this is the reason why this huge riot took place after Easter instead of on Shrove Tuesday as had been so common in prior years. Even though the declaration of Braida hadn't really allowed the nonconformist the practice of their religion freely. At least there had been a period of relative laxity in terms of the enforcement of religious conformity. The great plague of London in sixteen sixty five and the great fire of London in sixteen sixty six had both given parliament, plenty of other things to worry about and some of the laws governing religion had lapsed. But in sixteen sixty seven in sixteen sixty eight bills that would allow. Loud, Presbyterians or religious freedom. Started circulating in parliament thous of Commons was really deeply opposed to these though and the proclamation on the matter that Charles the second ultimately signed on March ten sixteen sixty eight during lint less than two weeks before the riot began was instead about enforcing obedience to the existing laws not about allowing greater religious freedom. This also circles back around to those satirical, petitions and letters that we talked about before the break one of their themes England was willing to tolerate brothels, but not religious nonconformity which seems awfully hypocritical. Some of the chance and rallying cries that they use during the riot the ones that were about a reformation also have a lot more religious tone to them than being about wanting to strike down. The sinfulness of abroa- fell running parallel to this crackdown on religious nonconformity was also a crackdown on theaters in London and a running theme. In this increasing criticism of theater was that the were no better than brothels. And there was a lot of just hateful rhetoric that was using all of this. So this stoked dislike and disdain for both the brothels and the theaters, and as we said at the top of the show, Lenin was full of sailors that were recently released from service as well as overworked and mostly panelists apprentices who system of apprenticeship was quickly disintegrating. So there's some degree of separation and drawing conclusions in all of this. Some degree of interpretation of what people's motives might have been men. There's no smoking gun. None of the rioters left a journal saying, I'm really upset about my religious freedoms. And so how about in the guise of a brothel riot? I make that demonstration like there's nothing documenting any kind of thought presses like that. And there were also no court documents. It's explicitly saying that the writers are being persecuted because of religious nonconformity. Although it does seem like there was some fear that people who were dissenting in some way. We're also going to work with Cromwell's existing supporters who were still around to try to overthrow the monarchy. So like a lot of events in history. This one was definitely a confluence of a ton of different factors and influences without one clear single explanation that just explains the motives of everyone involved at the same time. Oh history. You're never simple. Yeah. I wish I could remember where I wish I could remember where I stumbled across just the words. The brothel ride of sixteen sixty eight like I was doing work on something completely unrelated last week. And then the that that series of words was on my screen somewhere. And I went well, okay. We got talk about that. Yeah. And and then I fortunately was able to find enough information to talk about that. And then when I tried to reset retrace my steps to figure out where I had originally seen reference. Do it. I could not find it. So I don't remember. But that's a riot. Thank you so much for joining us on this Saturday. If you have heard an Email address or Facebook, URL L or something similar over. The course of today's episode since it is from the archive that might be out of date. Now, you can Email us at history podcast at how stuff works dot com. And you can find us all over social media at missed in history. And you can subscribe to our show on apple podcast, Google podcasts the iheartradio app and wherever else he listened to podcasts. Stuff you missed in history. Classes a production of I heart radio is how stuff works for more podcasts for my heart radio. Visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Do you love music? 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Better Rivals Ep. 280: 49ers 2019 draft review

Niners Nation

1:01:19 hr | 2 years ago

Better Rivals Ep. 280: 49ers 2019 draft review

"Welcome to this week's edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better eyeballs podcast. My name is Oscar operate CO and this week boy. The battle of winter fell was absolutely amazing. The NFL draft is all wrapped up and we are here to recap this episode. And with me this week to occupy the space under your jump shot with impunity David Newman. I take offense to that. Man. Did you watch any of the the rockets warriors game? I have not. No. Yeah. Well, there was basically the the story of the game. We're all the miss calls because the warriors were getting up under the shot of the Houston Rockets, and it will just say that like playing basketball. I hate that. I hate that guy so much. Well, the thing was I didn't think that the moves were. Agreed just really I thought that it's difficult to not get under someone shot when they jump up into their shot and then to create a V with their legs because they're kicking them into you defender. I mean sure which is sounds like a fair point. Yeah. Whatever I just James harden. Irritates me in a lot of very. Very interesting ways. So it was good game. I'm glad they won on two game too. But let's talk a little bit about the twenty nine hundred NFL draft because it is officially in the books. We are going to refer for those of you who tuning in for the game of thrones. Stock that's going to be at the end of the episode. We'll definitely put time codes in there. So you can skip ahead or skip it up to you, especially for John avoids boilers. But the twenty nine hundred NFL draft is in the books. David how do you feel about the draft overall overall pretty good? I think I did do the top two picks. You feel really good about him mean, obviously, we talked about both at length but getting possibly the best player in the draft at position of importance and also a position of need for the team like really kind of no brainer. If you're gonna stay at number two that was clearly the pick. And then I think we both also like Samuel and things that he has the ability to be a big part of this offense and really be somebody. That's vital part of this passing game in can really. Help them out in we talked about spending resources that can improve your pass offense is never really a bad use of research, especially if you're getting what we think is a quality player. Right. Somebody that fits what they like in that position. So those are the two that I think are great. I think they found some value late in the draft. But overall if you can hit on those early picks, I mean, that's going to be ultimately what defines us draft when we look back on it. So I think they have a really good chance to for those two picks to look pretty good. Obviously, we won't know how the drop is going to turn out for a few years, but initial impressions are really in my opinion based on the evaluation of the player and the valuation of the pick overall. I think in both instances the Niners did some really really good step, especially the top of the draft. I'm considering adding deebo Samuel scores on a slant. The drinking game. Either that or get one we're going to have to replace the Selleck time chug your beer rule now, we'll get we'll get to that in a minute. But yeah, I think that there's definitely some value with the top. And then I think I don't want to take a minute talk about Jalen hundred a bit because I think after our Jalen Hurd scouting report the sentiment. I think that we were giving was generally negative. And even though we said, I think all of the things that are true about his evaluation. He's gonna win an intermediate areas of the field. He's got some physical tools that are enticing. And I went back and looked at a lot of his tape. And I think that I was probably or sounded more negative than actually on the pick. But I've actually warmed to him over watch him after watching him, more and more and more. And I can absolutely see the logic in drafting someone like Jalen Hurd. And to your point if you're throwing resources at something I'd rather throw it at something that is going to be that's not a linebacker running back, right, especially that high. So I I think I've warmed to it quite a bit more. And I can absolutely see why the team wanted to get someone like. Jalen Hurd in the third round. I haven't really I still feel largely the same way. I think is is when we did before I think the one thing in kind of a corner and the pros strongly for that is the thing that we mentioned right is is spending resources on the passing game. I think if that is something that all picked it ultimately works out. You know? That's obviously a good thing. Anything we can do to make pass offense better as good. I still largely feel like he's not a player that does any one thing really all that. Well, I think versatility as we've talked about in the past is only good being capable of doing multiple things is different than being good at multiple things. And I think just because in theory he can lined up at receiver and you can motion in the backfield. And you can give them a a hand off from there or you might be able to to add back some weight on and get back to his running back wait in place them tight end or something like that. Like just because he's possibly capable of doing those things doesn't mean that he's. He's better at a receipt as a receiver than actual receiver. That's been doing that or better than a running back that could actually get that carry. Right. So like, I it's just I think there's a big big unknown. I think the fact that he's a pretty solid athlete at that size. And has I think some decent movements goes on. He's a bad athlete. Is like intriguing but that that's not a pick that you make with the sixty seventh overall selection. Right. That's a pick that you make on day three. And I saw I think it's more the spot is just still a concern. But again, we'll see how that looks on a couple of years. Yeah. For me. It's really just the consistency thing because he shown the ability to do things in spurts that you're like, okay. That's that's pretty awesome. I really really liked that. That's great. But what really good players do is they consistently do those great things over and over and over again. So we look at why Nick Bosa was at the top of the draft. Someone like Quinton Williams. They consistently are able to be there defenders are consistently able to win. And I think Jalen Hurd was able to win in some cases, but a lot of the reception that he got and I think this is probably why the initial scouting report was a bit more sour at least from my perspective is when you saw a lot of his catches and he had almost thousand yards. But a lot of them were things that he didn't produce on his own. They were just opened in the middle of the field because you had an RPO or something like that. But in the instances in which he did create and did win. I thought that was pretty exciting. So really for me. It's a consistent consistency thing. If he can be come more consistent in the way that he runs his routes and the way that he uses his athleticism. He could be a pretty nice addition. So I don't I think that's that's why I've warmed to it overall. And so I think it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. But then you get to the middle rounds. And this is where you start with the forty Niners having a few issues in a couple of places where you had some head scratching moves. So of course in the fourth round, the Niners selected Mitch which now sqi puncher from Utah and then in the fifth round they picked Drake greenlaw linebacker from Arkansas. So which one of those two picks did you like least, David? I give you a guess. Yeah. I'm guess, I'm man, I'm gonna guess the punter. I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to say you didn't like that pick. No, no, not not especially. I mean, look, it's there's no reason to kind of go and waste fifteen minutes ranting about a punter is just nine it's something that at this stage in my life. I'm prepared to do. I think I don't know. There's a lot of I think, you know, maybe you can kind of like help point what your biggest questions like I think just it's it's tough to justify taking a punter with the hundred and tenth overall selection that is that is very very difficult to remind them. I think for me that was more of the issue. It was the place in the draft not necessarily drafting punter. I know that you are infinitely more versa drafting a punter than I am. I totally get that make sense. Right. But I do think that when you look at the way there are really two punters on the board that people were were kind of lusting after right? It was Jake Bailey from Stanford. And this dude Mitch the wish and you think to yourself. Okay. We we have two very very good punters on the board. And if we the Niners had just traded back into the fifth round. There were worried the the patriots. We're going to draft a punter which they did eventually in the fifth round. But they were worried that the patriots were going to drop the punter and so with your fifth round. Pick though, you're already a head of the patriots. So I felt it would have been a more shrewd use of resources to pick a player that can really help your team on offense on defense and coverage in the passing game or something like that with that fourth round pick especially because it was such a high fourth round pick. I mean at that point. You're looking at maybe value that slips from third round into the fourth on the way that your boards coming down. And you think to yourself I do have a fifth round pick ahead of the patriots. Let's say that someone does end up drafting wish now sqi cool. I can still get Jake Bailey. And I think that might me personally. I'd still if I didn't get either of them. I'm okay with that. But I think that play was a bit better allocation of resources based on the way your roster's constructed then drafting that punter in the fourth round that high. Yeah. I mean, I think depending on what angle you wanna come from there. There's a number of different issues to potentially take it. Right. I think one thing that is important to call out in this kind of is something that you touched on a little bit there, which is. There is a difference between when when kind of like trying to evaluate things from the outside. There is a difference in what is in. What should be right? I think we like to live in a world of what should be. This is what we think is kind of the optimal way, you know, based on everything that we've been doing over these years. This is kind of how we think is the best approach to put a winning football team together. Right. This is just kind of lessons that we've learned. But it's also important to to to understand and realize that that's of course, not the way every NFL team thinks, and maybe not even the way most NFL teams think. And so when you're looking at punters, right? I would say the what should be is that punters and specialists in general should never be drafted. I it's just a specialist, even if you get a very very good one can flat out not have the impact on your win loss record as a positional player on offense or defense. It just the impact is not there to justify it. But that's not how NFL teams generally proceed. I mean, we do see most. Hunters in the NFL are undrafted. But if you're going to draft them typically the way that we see this is six round is kind of the sweet spot is where you see a lot of the drafted punters go, and then you have kind of like a handful of guys that are maybe your top punter prospects that that sneak up into the fifth round, right? I think Dixon last year Nixon. I mean, this the example that everyone is going to trot out when they're talking about an elite all pro punter, and they'd be less hunger prospect that never ever see right. Like at least in kind of like the modern NFL like just fantastic, right? And he only went in the fifth round. So I think there's there's those two thing where we're like. Okay. So where you're at right now in the NFL norm is we're generally going to look in the sixth round. Or if we got a guy, maybe we're going to sneak up into the late fifth or something like that. If we feel super strongly about them, and you're taking a guy now with one hundred and ten overall spot, which is a a prime position. There are still very good football players on the board. That can help your team fifth round pick. I I mean, I think that's one of the dichotomy between what is and what should be. I think is a really interesting one. Because I think that going forward on fourth down is the prime example of something that started out as what should be sure and his very quickly moving into. What is and now you see coaches getting lambasted for not being aggressive enough. And now everyone's like, well, look if you go for it on fourth down more often, you're more likely going to get, you know, more points over the course of a season, which mathematically is correct. But it's taken some time to get there. And I have well, I don't know how it's going to end up. But I think specialists and drafting specialists is kind of in that mold for for you as well. Right. Yeah. And it's just in the other thing, I think the final thing I guess that I'll say is like the drafted punters aren't even markedly better than the undrafted ones. Right. Like saying it goes back to like the general thing about the draft is that we we don't know a whole lot right about these things. And so when it comes to punters the NFL teams evaluations on punter. Aren't any better than they are at other positions? Right. It's not like they're they're so good at identifying this specific skill that like, okay, if they're going to draft him those guys end up being really good like sometimes it works out. Right. You look at the best punter in the NFL over the past three years has been Thomas morstead. He was a fifth round pick the next three guys in terms of three year grade for us at PF, which is a punting grading system, by the way that was helped developed by a former NFL punter, and Chris clearly he's the one that kind of helped us form that system the next three guys in the list or undrafted. And then you look at the other fifth rounders, right? You're just as likely to get a guy like Bradley pin Radley was below average Boehner. So it's all over the board still. So you're not even by that by wasting that pick not even guaranteed to get good production at that. And then there's the question of like, even if you do what does that good production at punting really worth. And I think too I if you're worried about your punter guess what upgrade your offense and don't worry about punting. Just go for it on fourth down. I'm ready to move. Needle all the way to that. That rent there's never punt already way too much time that I wanted to spend on. But I thought I love that you did. I miss writing. I'm not nearly as a versa dropping punter as you are. I think drafting hundred if you think it's your guys fine like in the fifth round at the earliest. But even then I think the way the board was falling down the Niners could have applied their resources a little bit better. But then you get to their actual actually one more thing really quickly because this is going to be a retort that we hear often but Bill Belichick traded up for a punch in the fifth round. And I think that even I who okay with drafting specialists and punters in the fifth round think that is a false analogy easiest because when you look at the context of the situations in which both teams are operating. It's not the same will start with the fact that wealth the patriots have a Super Bowl roster and the forty Niners. Do not we can start. There is point number one. Right. I think there's a number. You have to look at the surrounding context. Right. It's not as simple as. This team is good. And they drafted a punter in this team is bad and they drafted a punter. But that didn't make it a bad decision. Because the good team. Did it too right? It's. Again, the manager selection of a punter was what the one hundred tenth overall pick. And this was what their fourth pick in this entire draft. Right. So a player again that they should be looking for an actual contributor for the patriots. The punter was their ninth pick. They already done such a good job in the draft that accumulating picks in that second third fourth round range and had taken so many players already that. Yeah. By the time, you're getting to draft your ninth and tenth guys, you just don't have that many roster spots, and you're already working with a much better roster to begin with your you're working with again Super Bowl roster and the forty Niners are working with a roster that just earned the second overall pick. And so those situations aren't really compatible. But then you get to the the forty Niners other pick in those kind of mid to late rounds, and it was their fifth round pick, Drake. Greenlaw linebacker from Arkansas the forty Niners feel like they got some value here. They had them higher on their list. He did run a four seven three the combine. But and this. Is an interesting factoid. They had GPS data from Arkansas that indicated that he was faster than its four seven time. Do you think that the I don't ever think the forty is going to be rendered useless because the NFL has created a cottage industry for combine stuff in scoring and hand time versus laser time. But do you think that we will ever just kind of shoot the combine forty and just be like cool? We can put a GPS chip in his shoulder pads and see how fast the actually is on the field. I mean, it would be a while. Right. I think the the benefit of having the forty are. Dash is that we have all this Stoorikhel data to go back, and we can compare right. All of these combine drills have been the same forever. And so it's very easy. We have a large data set to work with. And so you know teams like having that ability to. Compare those directly and be able to get better results because they have a wider data sets work from right now. The the issue with the GPS data is that we just don't have a lot of it. And especially the college level rightly so the NFL level in general. They just got everyone has it. Right. They just got to the point where every team gets every teams data. And so the college level their way further behind the nexus has a chip at. But you know, you're going to get some of your bigger schools, right bigger programs that have a lot of money that can do it. But the problem is selling ain't gonna have it is. Yeah. And it's just not the same stuff that everybody's using in. So it's it's far more difficult to make comparisons. Then again, this stuff hasn't been around that long. So if a guy is running at a certain speed now like cool that sounds good. But we don't know like what did these other picks that went high where where they run, and we don't know, right. We'd have nothing to compare it to you right now. So I think if that is something that happens it is much further down the road when that. Data's had time to really build itself up. Yeah. When you look at his when you look at his tape, which I didn't watch a whole hell of a lot of it. But the tape that I did see he does seem faster than four seven. But he certainly doesn't seem fast overall. His lettuce is a members were not great. So I think if the team is looking for the trait that they're getting with this player, it's probably his tackling ability. He was a pretty sure tackler in college thinking ranked twelfth and tackling efficiency. But that's about the only thing at least initially that you can say like, okay, that's great. And then when you look at kind of their opportunity costs with this pick they had if we're gonna pick a linebacker here. Cool. That's great. But Blake Cashman was on the board when they selected greenlaw, and like Cashman, I think was an overall better prospect on a lot of different ways when you compare him to the prospect that was that was drapery and law, right? I think yeah. I don't have a ton to say here again. I think you know, of course, he would have rather they go for coverage or something like that. But it's the fifth round. It doesn't really if you want to add some linebacker depth, whatever especially with as we'll get into a little bit later kind of where they feel. Things are at their secondary right now. Go go get your linebacker as we've talked about you know, kind of each draft season. One of the things that we like teams to look for in. These later round picks is find somebody that is has like one really really good thing that they can lean on which is like that may be athleticism. Right. Maybe they're just a very unfinished prospect. They haven't shown a lot on the field for whatever reason. But they're fantastic athlete. Okay. Take a chance on that guy can coach him up or you take the guy that has just despite kind of poor athleticism has been able to produce it is super high level right is just he's been able to make plays despite what he's working against physically. See if he can he can continue to do that the next level. Right. Take a chance on those guys with greenlaw. He kind of isn't either? So he was you know, like, a sixteen th percentile athlete by spark. So even if you want to say that he's a little faster than his time. You still like a very clearly below average athletes. If you were to take his forty time up until like the high four fives, which is a significant increase off of four seven for an NFL player. That's still doesn't take athleticism score much higher than than where he's at right now. Right. I think. Yeah. Even if you want to say is a little bit better than what he tests that he tested at so poorly that that's still not going to be that great. And then from production standpoint, he was actually kind of one of the worst linebackers in this class at Arkansas. So when you look at the guys that were either drafted or is a part of our top fifty big board at PF that group linebackers. He was the second lowest graded when you look at his three year grade in doing that again at a. Top conference in college football like doesn't leave. You feeling super great about where he was out on the field. You would have liked to see we see all the time linebackers, especially come from schools that otherwise aren't that? Great. But they can stand out. Right. It's it's easy for a linebacker to be able to stand out. Even if the guy's around them, aren't that? Great. He didn't really do that in. So. Yeah, I think you know, it's like, whatever if their evaluation, let them there they wanna take a chance on like, I think it's just it's hard to find something based on what we know at this moment to feel super positive about him. So you mentioned having a player that does one thing. Really really, well, and I think when you get into the late around picks this is where the Niners actually really started getting some value out of their picks. And the back end if the top of their draft was was really good. And in the middle kind of had this. I'm not sure how I feel about them or I just think it was a poor decision. Overall, their final three picks were I think really good. You look at cadence Smith tight on that a Stanford six round overall hundred and Seventy-six he's the guy who does one thing really. Really well, run this guy on his seem route and throw it up to him. And he's probably going to catch it. And he's he's really really good at it. Despite the fact that he's not again super athletic. He was not fast. He was not the George Kittle high spark tight end he was still I in the class on deep catch rate. He was third in deep passing yards. And he was first in slot receptions and second slot yards. So this is someone who's gun in right for Celik for Sally time. And and I think you know, Garrett Celik is a backup tight end. He fills his role and your the team probably does need an upgrade for that. Second tight end slot. And they drafted someone who's got a very very specific set of skills. And that's exactly the type of player you want to target late in the draft. And I think it was you know, all things considered a really good pick. Right. I think definitely some value. I think you know, you wouldn't have been surprised to see him go around or two earlier. I think. Yeah. Like, not the greatest athlete doesn't have necessarily great speed. But there's enough there. I think you know, he gets Inada cuts all right for his size. I think he's definitely a better receiver. I mean, you know, he does have obviously substantial blocking experience plane at Stanford and the offense that they run, but he spent roughly equal time in line and out either in the slaughter out wide a receiver. So has been able to move around a little bit and that offense and do some different things. I think. Yeah. Absolutely his best girl. And this was something that Lynch and Shanahan brought up when they were talking about in the press or something that I really read with where. Yeah. His best asset is really kind of his catch radius. He's not going to necessarily like leap out of the building for over the top guys and surly, but he's a big target. And if you get it in his area like he's really good is going up with he had more contested targets than anybody. Any other tight end this class and came down with a really, hyper Senator though so over fifty percent of his contested targets. He caught. So that's kind of his thing. He's not going to run away from me. I think if you look at two games, you can really kind of see both sides of it. The Oregon game is kind of the high end of things you really made a lot of great plays decibels seem in kind of that intermediate to right around twenty yard range and then the game against Notre Dame. You see the lack of athleticism little bit. He really struggled a separate in that game. And just wasn't wasn't a good look for over only colleague one six targets. I believe in that game. And just wasn't great overall. So I think he's going to have some struggles. If he runs into situations where he's matched up with you know, linebackers or really probably more the safeties that are much better athletes than him. He's going to really struggle the kind of separate from those guys. And so it's going to be kind of on Jimmy to be able to trust even though he's not gaining separation to still give them a chance to kind of make a plan the ball. But I think there's a a really good. I think he has a really a chance of taking that number two tight end spot. I think he's likely a better receiver than in. Any of the other non-kill tight ends at this point. So yeah, I think there's definitely a chance that he can come in and find a role in this offense. And I mean that's second tight end spot has been a revolving door for Shanahan and Lynch announced since they've been here. I mean, you look at you know, they're going after players like Kollwitz and Ross dwelling and Logan Paulsen. And you know, Selleck spin the kind of the person who's who's been there. But I think they are very much looking to upgrade that role. And I think this might be the guy to do it eventually as a role player and has that second tight end not someone who's going to have a ton of snaps, but someone who can fit a very very specific role and can give the team some quality snaps as Celik gets into the twilight of his career. But then you get to probably one of the more value picks where you're actually getting some solid lettuce. Zim good production. But someone wants some injury concerns, and that's Tim Harris cornerback from Virginia whom the Niners drafted sixth in the six round hundred ninety eighth overall. And when you're talking about value, this is this is the poster child for value late in the draft. If you're going to gamble on someone you gamble on someone who is a plus athlete who fits your profile who had great who had some great production. But has that injury asterisk next to his name? Right. He just I mean, he spent six years at Virginia. Didn't he got like a special exemption to get an additional year of eligibility? So I think it was weird. Yeah. He he had like six or seven years in college. I mean, basically, the only dude older than him on the roster might be our punter. But. She and of course, just goes without saying it's actually Mike mcglinchey contract that he's legally older than the oldest person on the roster. With harris. I mean. Yeah, you look it again checks. A lot of the boxes is far as late round prospects. Go and things that you like to see is a fantastic athlete. One of the best athletes at the corner position in his draft class ninety second percentile so again better than ninety two percent of the Cornerbacks in the NFL. There had really good change direction. And kind of jumped numbers it was explosiveness their fit really well with his size because he does have that kind of prototypical size that they really do prefer to have in this defense. So he's six two two hundred has some solid length in so all of those fit kind of what we know that they like to see cornerback. And then the production is Ben solid again for a lot of his career was if he but this last year was the season he was able to spend the most time on the field in did really. Well, how to coverage grade that was approaching ninety. Even as three year coverage grade was kinda landed in the mid eighties there. So we really solid production stuff that you don't typically see that combination of athleticism man production for a six round pick. He's definitely got some things to clean up technique wise. I mean there there was some some spots where it looked kinda ugly. And there's there's some things that he needs to work on. But absolutely as a player worth taking a chance on that late in the draft. And I think that when you look at the Niners prefer players actually kill it will it's been it wasn't necessarily willing tackler. But if the Niners are going to have a profile, they would want someone who's going to be able to be a willing tackler. And when you look at some of what Tim Harris does he's absolutely able to mix it up and get in there. So if you don't like corners that are averse to contact and you didn't like the greedy Williams picked because we thought oh, he's averse to contact. I don't want to drive someone like that. Tim Harris doesn't have that blight. He's able to get in there and mix it up. And I mean, you would hope so with as big as dude is I mean, sixty two hundred at the corner position. So that's probably when when we're talking about value when you're. Talking about someone who could have gone much earlier in the draft. This is probably their value pick. And I'm excited to see what what his career blossoms into. If it does. Because that's you know, these are the kinds of picks especially late that you wanna make definitely I mean, I think this was a guy that you know, so Renner and Steve or the guys that do the put together our big board at PF. I mean, they had him as the one hundred seventeen overall player there. So again, a guy that could have gone is early as the fourth round probably maybe even a little bit earlier in that. If you had a team that really kind of fell in love with it is far as what he did show when he was on the field there. And obviously an injury concerns is probably the the main thing that really pushed him down quite a bit. But again, you want to take some chances on guys at least if shown you something that they give you a reason to think they might be able to come in and find a roster spot for you. And I think he absolutely has the ability to do that. So there were a couple of comments that team made when they were talking about their draft picks. And I wanted to ask if you question. About that. But before we get into that just a quick message from our sponsors. Everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. I guess is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest in tech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world with tech show hosted by me, our executive editor Peter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. 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See to me and Paul ranting each other about the role of the government and check us out on Tuesdays. When I have seen every episode. Subscribe to diverse chace wherever podcasts are served. We'll see them. I'm curious what you thought about the comments that Lynch made when he was asked about drafting a corner, and he basically had a formulation of the you don't come in and take us Martius job quote, but he was talking specifically about corners. And he said, you know, when when we're looking at the corner position, you really have to think to yourself are they going to come in and beat Richard Sherman, or they're gonna come in and beat the Killa Witherspoon antivirus, more and all these players that have some question marks over their head. You know that the only player that really doesn't Richard Sherman. But he's very clearly on the decline of his very great. What will probably assuredly be a hall of fame career? But that's that self evaluation of the corner position is what really took the team away from drafting or adding to that area. It seems like and I think that's that was interesting to hear their evaluation in the room. And it was interesting to hear what seemed like the aversion to adding talent for a team that supposedly values competition at every level. Right. And it was very strange because he also had a comment that was in there that said you can't have enough good Cornerbacks which was really seemed to run against this. I mean, I think the that line of thinking, isn't that bad? I mean the way Shanahan explained it. Right. I think makes a lot of sense, which is essentially, okay. You're sitting there in the third round. Right. And you have a receiver and a cornerback that you feel roughly equally with with your evaluation. And then you have to kind of look at the roster. Right. Okay. Does is it more likely that we can bring this receiver in and he can come in and help us out born be better than the guys. We haven't roster or is this corner. Do it. Right. I think that line of thinking is very good. And sound the part where it breaks down is thinking that you're set with the group of Cornerbacks that they have right? I think that's the concerning part. And as we've talked about many times with the Cornerbacks that they have on the roster. There is reason to be excited about some of these guys. And there are definitely scenarios that play out that these guys multiple these guys ended up being. In good players the probability of the outcome of what happens with the corner position. And there's a world in which all of the people take a step forward or they get back to their rookie form in the case of Adrian Colbert Jimmy awards stays healthy and Richard Sherman. Takes another step because he's fully healthy this year. A pillow Witherspoon becomes the corner that we thought he would be and all of a sudden you have a pretty fearsome kind of quarterbacks or secondary. But that is kind of on the outline of the probability curve. Right. And the other the other outlier is that they'll suck. And the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle of that bell curve when you're thinking of the probability of outcomes. And so the more the more likely scenario is that some of them end up. Okay. Some of them end up crappy. But if half of those dudes end up crappy, you still overall have a pretty boy secondary that needs some help exactly like the thing that we know kind of above all else is when you have a lot of question marks not all of them are going to be answered positively right? We've seen this time and time again where the team is kind of relied. Heavily on younger players in the development of those young players in. That's put them in a bad spot. Right. If only ABCD all workout, and these guys all progress the way that we hope then we'll be fine. And like, yes, sure. If that happened, you probably would be fine. But you can't really plan around that way. You know, you have you have to plan for the opposite. Right. You hope for that. Exact what you plan for the opposite. What what we would like to see is that you recognize that. Okay. Our past defenses one of the most important things that we can do as a team and team building. And we wanna make sure all aspects of that are good. And we've done par part of that is we've loaded up on pass rush. And that's great fantastic. Dine is going to be super fun. I can't wait. Absolutely. So you do that. And then but also bringing don't be afraid to bring in guys in the secondary. Right. You wanna make the pass coverage as good as it doesn't have to be a one or the other. I think a lot of times in this argument of like, okay, which is more important. It gets lost that. They're both important. They both matter. And so you don't want to just like put all of your eggs in one of the baskets. You want to be able to have kind of complimentary pieces there in. So you wanna have enough options at cornerback that if guys go down with injury, you have options to go to right or that you just give your like most portent that you give yourself more chances to succeed. And if you you have six of these guys, you think can all come in and compete, it's better than it's more likely that you're going to have two or three of them actually hit and be really good than if you only have four. No, I think you look at the strategy of someone like Dorsey who added greedy Williams on the secondary already has Denzil award. But why the hell not Ed, greedy? Right. And he spent a pretty high draft pick in order to go get him. He wasn't afraid that that was going to impact that that defensive secondary. Even though he's already got a couple of really good players there. And you look at was it Roseman who said that, you know, we don't want to be so era that to think that it's all going to work out or that. We're always going to be right. You want more chances to hit? And I think that's that's exactly the philosophy. And so it was definitely curious. But the value the front seven that's where they're adding all of their resources. I think it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Did we learn anything else about the team and their decision making process because to me these moments and the draft where you get to see their decisions exposed are really interesting moments to learn a bit about what they like what they prefer and their overall process for adding talent to the roster. So did we learn anything about this team now in year three? Of seeing the move through this draft. I don't know that we learned a whole lot new. But I think we had some things reinforced that would that we already suspected, right? I think one of the things that we had become worried about was effectively them. Zeroing in on certain players, and deciding that they're going to get that player. No matter the cost, right? These end up largely being their worst decisions. Right. It's the the juice contract. It's the Malcolm William, Malcolm Smith signing. It's deciding that you can't go to sleep at night. If you don't get CJ Beathard and Joe Williams on your roster. It's it's those type of decisions that I can't go to night until I see his picture CJ bathroom. I look at that photograph look look at that photograph don't ever stop looking at that photograph. Right. So I wonder that will get old today's not that today's not that day. And so I think you know, we've we've seen them kind of every offseason identify certain players and just aside. This is the guy right? There's there's no other player that can possibly do what this player does for us. We have to have him and they pay way above what the market value is to get that player and largely they've been wrong on those players. They have not. It'd be one thing if they were hitting on all of those guys on those were they were coming in and making a big difference. Again, those of largely been their worst decisions so far through three years. And so I think it's concerning. You wanna be able to understand that? Yes. We may like this guy better. But there's you have to understand which players are truly special and which ones. Yeah, we might like more than others, but we can find similar skills. Elsewhere without having to pay that extra premium, right? You wanna put the big resources go over the top for the guys who really truly are special. Title, not the fullback that you think is the best fullback available. Yeah. I think I probably didn't learn anything new about the team. But I think that absolutely things got reinforced. They definitely I think some of the thing that I have to separate myself from is that I really want them to approach it a certain way. But I think obviously Lynch and Shanahan and approach it a very different way. So my takeaways mostly about how I'm going to try to approach evaluating what the hell they're doing. And putting it try to put it through their lens. Even though in the back of my head. I'm going to be like probably a quarterback, but to okay, I totally get that you're throwing resources into your front seven and you're going to have like ninety seven linebackers. Okay. Cool. Let's see how that works out. Yeah. It's going to understand that that element of it. Right. You wanna look at it through their lens and see if okay is the way that they're approaching this does there seem to be a coherent plan in place. Like, do these things make sense when you're looking at it through that lens? And you know, sometimes that's true. I think a lot of their offense of moves. Right. I think that's true. And that makes sense considering Cal Shanahan. I think the problem has been on defense. It's really, you know, obviously, we will continue to to make fun of the juice contract forever until probably tell well beyond when he leaves this team because it was so bad. But I think largely the problems have been defensively. Right. That's when they have really been done a poor j