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"tim gio" Discussed on Behind the Bastards

Behind the Bastards

16:37 min | 1 year ago

"tim gio" Discussed on Behind the Bastards

"Does by. We're back good ads. I particularly liked the ad for conquering Africa and murdering millions of people. They're really a good way to end slavery. I know they made the case it was. I was hesitant. I I'll be honest. And then hearing their position on a thirty second spot. I realized I was. I was the that they got bill. Murray to voice it. Yeah yeah good pitchman. But I wouldn't call it. I mean now certainly a different second act than I anticipated from him. Yeah Yeah Yeah now 1887 Stanley departed. And we'll become his final trip from Africa. The imposture relief expedition. Pasha was an eastern European blowhard in a pseudo gifter who ennobled himself to the English people by resisting. The followers of the Mahdi in southern Sudan. And this is most similar in modern things. Because we really don't have time to get into this very complicated story. It was kind of like this. Ariza quivalent of Isis. This guy rises up. He like beats a European army. And it's just like real shocking. Move in like he's. He's raises up his own Islamic Kingdom. It's this like it's a big deal at the time they. They treated him like Isis. Like I'm not gonna say that he was. He was actually like as Isis sucked ass. I don't know if the mighty did or not I don't know enough. But that's the way they talk about him right So Pasha wound up surrounded and cut off by the forces of the Mahdi and Stanley was dispatched to relieve him and the whole operation was shit. Show again all of Stanley's white colleagues died so he was able to blame sundry failures and massacres committed by his execution on deadman which is very handy for Stanley. This expedition massacres. So many fucking people now. They didn't make it hard for him to look bad. One of his white companions didn't survive. Was James. Jameson the heir to the Jameson whiskey? Family tight on Stanley trip but not before buying a young girl from a slave trader and paying cannibals to let him watch them eat her now. Jameson was known as Cannibal Whiskey by many for years later and this might not be true. A lot of people say it's not a lot of people who have no interest in defending Jameson. Because you're just a lot of fucking stories right. I don't know the truth. This is a story people. Tell about this this expedition. The trip was a massive shit show and a lot of people died and at the end of it. Impartial didn't really wind up wanting or needing rescue so stanley took him along to Zanzibar. Anyway where Pasha attempted to commit suicide after. All this seems seems Henry Morton Stanley had finally had enough of adventuring retired. England lost his taste for that. Yeah he did how he he. He retired England he married a Welsh artist named Dorothy tennant kind of to his credit. He adopts a a Welsh abandoned bastard child like he finds like a poor abandoned kid who he was and he adopts him and loves him. So that's that's good. He Has. He's in need of a boy. He needed a boy got himself another boy. He's always got a boy and this one finally didn't die immediately so that's good that's wonderful. Oh it varies. Depending for Henry a happy ending for Henry in eighteen ninety nine Stanley became a knight of the order of Bath. He settled into a dignified retirement with both us. In Britain proudly claiming him as their son he became a liberal member of parliament in nineteen ninety five and he died in one. Thousand nine hundred. Four the stigma that remained around all of his murder stopped him from winning a Westminster Abbey burial. But he did receive a nice memorial. The epitaph reads Boulama. Tari the breaker of stones. This was a nickname he'd been given by Africans who were like this guy is such a brutal piece of shit like that's the kind of guy he is like. He's the fucking hard enough to break. Stones Rick Whatever Yeah Yeah but Stanley actually really this nickname. Which is why you should never fucking give a piece of shit a nickname. That sounds cool like call them fart master. You know. He's not gonNA put on his his grave. I'M GONNA quit from Oxford University. Press again he gloried in the name. Boola metairie breaker of rocks portraying. The Story of African explorations quest for mastery of the Earth Stanley geography was ever a militant and Manley science dedicated to the subjugation of wild nature. It's books at maps. Were weapons of conquest rather than objects of contemplation. The study of geography he proclaimed in eighteen. Eighty five ought to lead us to something higher than collecting maps and books of travel and afterwards shelving them as of no further use wide traveler. Or you're not going to conquer. Wow He's a bad tourist for most of the last hundred years. Change Consensus has evolved. That Stanley was real big piece ship. And this has been mostly universal even among his biographers until Tim Gio came around and published Stanley Africa's greatest explorer and saved him send saved him from the evils of history because as we know history is written by the victims. Yeah and I will. I will give I will give Jill this. This is probably the most impressively research justification for mass murderer that I've ever read. I've never read anyone put as much work into defending a guy who killed enslaved people for his own benefit. Like he really. He fucking puts in the LEGWORK TO DEFEND. This monster serve inspiring. I kind of wish I kind of hope that when if there's ever a biography written about me someone like Jill writes it and they can have single frame. Yeah they can frame. Moments like and Robert had no choice but to vomit on the Sushi of that Ukrainian couple out for a nice night at the restaurant. What we're his other options vanish development on the people. Next to them the Puke was going somewhere and he made the only golly good at the time the most heroic choice I would say Jesus really everybody should have. Geel in their life. Yeah I wanna I Kinda WanNa hear Jill Do Hitler. I know he wants to deep down. I kind of want to hear. Is Hitler. Um Man his Andrew Jackson I wanna I just Oh yes okay he's he. I don't think he would actually do Hitler but he would. Totally do Jackson. Yeah Yeah now Jill. We've given I think a well-deserved drubbing in this episode. What he did didn't happen in a vacuum and I think I need to close us out by quoting from a very important book called the Imperial History Wars debating the British empire and it explains the context that this biography. We've been talking shit about came out in quote by two thousand twelve a new documentary series about Britain's imperial past was being aired on British TV this one a BBC production with Newsnight interviewer Jeremy Paxman who guided his viewers through amazing stories of adventure. It's nothing short of a scandal. Packman scolded that. This history is not taught in schools. The purpose of the series he explained was to refute the conventional view that the British empire was a thoroughly bad thing the TV the TV personality. This is where people are gonNA be bummed the TV personality and naturalists. Sir David attenborough apparently did not get the memo. He complained that Paxman was far too negative about the British empire other figures who felt that. Yeah yeah other. Prominent figures who felt that the public needed to be reeducated about the virtues of the British empire and the achievements of its heroes. Were the popular historians Andrew Roberts Lawrence James and Max Hastings the biographer Tim. Jill wrote a book about Henry. Morton Stanley that declared to be Africa's greatest explore and dismiss charges that he had massacred Africans during his expeditions and that he bore any respect. We all know g yeah. Stanley became one of the leading proponents of a controversial campaign to erect a statue honoring Stanley at his place of birth. The Welsh town of Denbigh as GIO sought the time had come to dispense with post imperial guilt for Jill in those who share his views. This call to arms was fueled in part by resentment is what he dismissed as the moral brownie points politicians and others sought to accrue by well publicized apologies for crimes committed by earlier generations. He was no doubt alluding to Tony. Blair's apologies for Britain's role in the African slave trade and the Irish Potato Famine Gordon Brown's role in the expert of child migrants to Australia and other colonies and David Cameron's apology for the bloody Sunday. Massacre Dairy they call it Londonderry. But yeah it's during a visit to India Cameron also conceded that the British bore some blame for the conflict over Kashmir and expressed regret with the Washington. Post called a near apology over. The amorous are massacre of nineteen nineteen. So maybe has very little to do with Henry Morton Stanley than deal is just like trying to defend himself. So Badly. And like yeah. That's that's all. These guys are doing that right at the end of the day. They're defending themselves as heirs to the British Empire which is important to them right now. When we come from a culture that was built and attained you know would would be called greatness At least in the moral sense just in the objective the British empire was great in the same way. That like a fucking a boxer can be great even if they're a piece of shit it's just a a a term of relative power and influence people who come from those coaches which most people at one point or another. If you dig back long enough you have to decide what do you how do you? How do you deal with that do you? Do you come up with justifications for your ancestors did horrible things or do you think. It's often wrongly written as like the options are either take pride in it or feel ashamed and it's Shitty to want people to feel ashamed for things they didn't do and it's not that at all. I don't feel any shame. Personal Shame for like slavery. It's just like yeah the people. It's a horrible thing that people in the past did. I didn't do it but I'm not gonNA pretend. It wasn't a nightmarish evil. That persists to this day in a lot of its harms on society and that still has not been made close to right It's this this attitude that like you have two options which is like feel horrible as a human being for this or pretend it was fine and you die. Write us the option. Yeah you don't have to be one of the in one of those cans you can actually right like you. You can acknowledge that this was something horrible that existed in history and that you still benefit from today and you think about ways in which you can try and write it within your life but you were the one who is actually killing people. Yeah Yeah Yeah I. I don't know like my i. I don't know enough of genealogy to know if the scramble for Africa had any of my relatives in it but there's a decent chance that like yeah the scramble for Africa like all all of colonialism in Africa was as a history of unspeakable historic grade war-crimes. And that's bullshit and. There's a lot that we should be doing to write it including reparations to just fucking to the two nations and there's a whole lot that needs to be done and it's a very complicated discussion and you don't have to like beat yourself up about it because you didn't do anything about it to not be like but that was fucked up and we should do something about that right. Yeah Yeah we should. We should do something here I think we should probably do. Is I mean there? We've done so much damage to the entire continent that we send them. Yeah yeah maybe if we are just to send a bunch of civilized people like us that air raid option draw basically what I would call a white line through the continent and yeah we can establish these little these little communities in there that can let us like travel through it and we can facilitate order an art soren. We invented colonialism again. Oh Jesus how easy. It is trap of Benton colonialism. Ed Really Oh boy..

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"tim gio" Discussed on Behind the Bastards

Behind the Bastards

13:18 min | 1 year ago

"tim gio" Discussed on Behind the Bastards

"Stanley good if had been alive during this time he absolutely would have gotten hired to follow Stanley on a journey and he would have died the most unimaginably painful death here he gets he would've been eaten by fire ants and Gio would like live and said that he started one of the many gunfights he had with. Natives says that the natives natural attraction to Jill was forced into to kill all the. Yeah it this is a guy who store whose crews adventure star starts with getting a young boy who adores him raped with knives and then stealing that kids money such a piece of shit so yeah now his acknowledgement of yes. It's great so stanley and his men tried to buy passage and pay for food when possible on their journeys but they also were very perfectly happy to kill people and wage war when local people didn't want to sell them. Those things Gel writes quote. His obsession had been whether to take food by force or risk marching on in the hope of obtaining food at the next village on many occasions he was obliged by destitution to throw himself on the mercy of the Arab Swahili slave traders and ask them to feed him and his followers during my visit to Belgium. I read a very significant passage. One of Stanley's diaries which I have never seen quoted in any book and this entry Stanley showed that he had recognized the fundamental of moral problem facing all European travelers. We went into the heart of Africa's self invited he wrote therein lies our fault but it was not so grave that our lives when threatened should be forfeited so Stanley Stanley knows. It's fucked up to just barge into someone's home and then take their shit at gunpoint and kill them when they say he knows. I'm invading people's homes and murdering them for food and that's not good but he also argues that because I'm starving. It's okay for me to do this right. What other choice do I have? What other happy in Africa Dude? No not be reasonable grow up. What other choice do I have not do this? Millions of people around the world managed to not do this during the same period. That could have been you buddy but none of them are me. Morton Stuns Henry Morton Stanley. Yeah now this reasoning is due being an on its own but Stanley's contribution to death and destruction in Africa went far beyond a few hundred bullets fired or even beyond the three of his own. Men that he hanged. I'm going to quote now from a write up titled Henry Morton Stanley and His critics from the Oxford University. Press he alleged people we of course. Sorry you're not GonNa go on journeys through the heart of Africa and not hang some of the people that you can't chain or whip into submission. Yeah that's fair. Yeah of course quote on his death. In Nineteen eighty-four Sidney Lowe claimed that the map of Africa is a monument to Stanley. Such an epitaph draws our attention not only to Stanley contributions geographical science arising from various African expeditions between eighteen seventy one and eighteen ninety but also to his role as an agent of European colonial influence for Stanley was a tireless advocate of commercial and political intervention Africa. Indeed to describe him as the Napoleon. African travelers seems particularly appropriate in view of both the scale of his ambitions and the links was prepared to go in order to realize them. His career isn't explorer. Bridges would have sometimes referred to as the Golden Age of African exploration. Eighteen fifty one to eighteen seventy eight and the era of the scramble for Africa. Eighteen eighty four. To Ninety one the eighteen seventies were indeed a critical turning point in the history of European involvement in Africa Than Stanley. Himself played a significant role in the transition to new forms of imperialism in the closing decades of the Nineteenth Century. See and this is critical. There was colonialism in Africa before Stanley. But what we think of as colonialism in Africa was invented in a lot of ways by Henry Morton Stanley most of Africa wasn't quote unquote owned by European powers. When he gets there and his work helps inspire the political changes. That leads to that changing. He sparks was known as the scramble for Africa. And he's e- some of this was deliberate. It was part of a plot by King Leopold to get control of the Congo. We'll talk a little bit more about that later. I WanNa talk about Stanley specific contribution though to the evolution of colonialism because he's critical in the whole world wide thing see he believed Livingston. Did that slavery was the ultimate evil and had to be fought by sending Europeans into facilitate trade. Sometimes that process chaining or whipping or beating or executing Africans who didn't play along with this trade if they say we're owning slaves if so this was all the regrettable necessity of freeing people. Now I love the he always excuse. You'll time is. My hands are tied. And IT'S CRAZY. How this never changes and you have literal reports from the US military in Vietnam that are like we had to burn down the village to save it. This is always the logic of this sort of thing but Stanley helps develop this language of justifying the most violent kind of imperialism so at one point while sailing through Lake Tanganyika Stanley writes quote. The beach was crowded with infuriates. And markers these are like local Africans. We're just like Hooting and hollering and yelling at him. Because they don't want them in their area we perceive we were followed by several canoes. And some of which. We saw spears shaken at us. I opened on them. With the winchester. Repeating rifle six shots and four deaths were sufficient to quiet. The mocking made fun of me. So I killed foreman gun to understand. Yeah is to their home. They laughed at me and so I'm murdered for of them and then laughing. Are you trying to tell me? I'm not a hero for that. Don't try to tell him. Geel that he will get fucking angry. So Stanley was not the first of the only White Man to stumble into Africa with a pile of guns and the desire to own things but he was one of the most influential in his writings. In this period helped to inspire countless millions of white folks around the world to embrace the conquest of Africa quote his writings represented Central Africa as a primeval place untouched by history. At full of possibility there were far from unique in this respect of course in the period between the publication of Stanley's through the dark continent eighteen seventy eight and Conrad's heart of Darkness Nineteen Zero Three. The vision of darkest Africa appears to have gained ever more powerful hold in the minds of Europeans as Patrick Brent Linger observes. Africa grew dark as Victorian explorers missionaries and scientists flooded with light solid. Turn of phrase the Peculiar Power of this myth of the Dark Continent Lane. It's fusion of complex of images of race science and Religion. The of light and darkness represented European Penetration of Africa is simultaneously a process of domination enlightenment and although Stanley did not create this myth his writings popularized existing. Stereotypes combining the symbolism of darkest Africa with an unshakable faith and the potential for European mastery over the entire continent his mission as it was described in eighteen. Eighty four was to strike a white line across the dark continent. Yikes boy howdy man now. Tim. Geel greatest biographer of all time. Get that out of the way right away. Tim Geel tries to patch over the kind of fundamental racism of what Stanley's doing but just sort of sharing individual stories about times when he wasn't Shitty to individual African people. Yeah when you're not one hundred percent of the time easier person yeah he. He includes a lot of lions. That's like would like meet up with specific tribe and describe them all is attractive and intelligent and kind and Jill's like what are racist right. This Hitler had a dog. Yeah and in doing this. Geel ignores lines from Stanley's journal like this. The blacks given immense amount of trouble they are to ungrateful for my fancy now. Geel highlights that Stanley wrote of being prepared to admit any black man possessing the attributes of true manhood or any good qualities to a brotherhood with myself. But Number One ignores how racist this line is but also ignores other lines like the savage only respects force power boldness decision and perhaps most racist of all this line about Afro Arab people from non-racist Henry Morton Stanley quote for the half caste. I have great contempt. They are neither black nor white. Neither good nor bad. Neither to be admired nor hated. They're all things at all times. If I saw a miserable half starved Negro. I was always sure to be told. He belonged to a half. Caste cringing and hypocritical cowardly debase treacherous in mean the syphilitic bleary eyed pallets get abortion of an African Arab Holy Shit Henry. Yeah Wow yeah let us Tim Gio is I I. I'M GONNA look up one of the Times. He doesn't use the word racism often in his book. Like he defends him from racism but he really their seven matches in the entire book. And I wanna read one quote from a sorry this is we're not even we're not even before I get into something geo- wrote this is one of the book quotes about Geos Book by John Ridley of Spectator magazine when she put it on their books of the year list and spectators like a right wing. News website yeah. Why is fair and deeply? Research Deals Book sets the record straight on the Great Victorian Explorer. Exonerating him from allegations of racism. Brutality suppressed homosexuality really not only is like racism and murder are the same as being gay but also he wasn't any of those things. Meanwhile Jio repeatedly talks about with the people. That's wonderful the had to. He had no choice right because they weren't they didn't they weren't they. Weren't working hard enough. Anyway here's the line from Tim Jill. I want to read you today. A vivid and uniquely adventurous life like Stanley's challenges our ability to be just an objective both about his story about the vices and virtues of his contemporaries worldviews worldview. His absence of racism was all the more remarkable for him having lived in the.

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