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Metta World Peace

The Lowe Post

30:55 min | 7 months ago

Metta World Peace

"And now the low has welcome to the low post. Podcasts live from the NERD CONFERENCE AT MIT. Sloan where I am thrilled to be. Joined by a guy who was one of my favorite players to watch when he was in his prime one of the all time. Nba Characters and you cannot tell the history of the NBA over the last twenty years without the one and only Metta world peace. How're you doing good? It's really good to be here Such a different world over here might see. I've seen so many different. So many familiar faces Sports broadcasters that I work with NBA general managers owners players has been good quite an arc for you. Yeah quite an arc for you ending up here so I was just I saw Jackie macmullan in the break. Room said I'm having met a on my podcast. What's your favorite Metta World Peace Memory? And she said go back and wash that press conference after they won the championship and I went back and watched it your jubilation. I had forgotten like you're yelling at the people on the laptops in the side. Hey Laptop people big knowledge me knowledge me. That isn't that's an all time or do you still. Do you have any lake memory of that or were you just like that? Just you're in a haze. I don't really think about that a lot but when I go on Youtube and I watched Ole clips. It's makes me feel good because it was a it was such a pivotal moment in my career. 'cause you know an always thought. I was going to be a champion but I didn't do all the necessary things to be a champion early in my career. Meaning the professional side of basketball. So I thought like that I thought would say you're never gonNA win a title. Something you always wanted in two thousand ten comes upon herself in a situation and I'm like wow. I'm very grateful analysis so much emotion. Two THOUSAND THAT GAME. Seventy at twenty points. Yeah you you hit a three. I just watched it with a minute. Left yeah put the Lakers up six almost that kind of Isis again. The biggest shot of your life now is the big shot of you know I had. I had one of the biggest show in. I was sixteen years old but I mean it was a sudden death type of game and then we was tied up going into overtime and I wanna five wins or what is I was sixteen point in an adult adult. Okay forty seven and then and then like they score three and we had to and I just came down shot that three and I was real young and crazy about maybe three hundred four hundred people on the on the gym and that shot reminded me reminding but it was definitely one of my biggest shots. Actually what's the best team was? That Laker seem the best team you ever played on. I mean I don't WanNa Championships got the farthest. But what's the what's The teamer like? That's a group. Maybe it is the best team I mean. One will argue. The Pacer Teen was pretty good. One paced our loans pretty good veteran. Pretty good And then the the Houston Rockets team t MAC conveyed Shane. Del is a hell of a team. So it's it's hard to say you know but Koby would argue that. It's no way those teams will better you. You your other big shot from that. Playoff run with the Lakers was bailing out. Coby in Game Five Against Phoenix into conference finals or Kobe. Airballs potential game winning shot. You catch it and we watch just now. It's a harder play that I remember because you kind of catch it on one side of the backboard one side of the room and in the air flow to the other side and all in one motion launch. How the Hell did you make that shot? That's a really hard shot. It was no form I look at that shot and it went in and we wanted. It was a big game gear right but you know I look at that. Shy Really It was so lucky. Lucky Hey who was? No elbow wasn't in. I did not follow through. I just I just put it in the basket off the glass. Hey you chased it. And they didn't walk you out in the added Jason and moved out a couple of people all the way. And if the if you don't make that shot your you bite lose go back to Phoenix. Down Three two. Yeah we didn't want to go back to Phoenix down three two and you know we still had game seven but we needed that one. So so what's the real story? Maybe maybe we know the real story but the famous story is that. Kobe and the Lakers lose the two thousand eight finals against Boston. Kobe showering trying to wrap his mind around. Just I lost. The Celtics. Still haven't won without shack all these emotions and somehow in the locker room is then. Ron artest invades the shower and says to Kobe. I'm going to get your title. Don't worry about it. Is that actually what happened. How did you get in? I guess if you're a player you could potentially get in the locker room but not every locker room so I went to go see. Lamar play And coby coby but be went to go. Watch the finals. Because what happened was I was with my cousin. Marian and I never been in the finals. We gotta go to the finals because my career is almost over eight years in but who knows what is going to be over and I said I need to I. I used to have a lot of anxiety at that time so I needed to figure out what the atmosphere is going to be like. Because I never been to. Nba Finals. Ever so I go there just to Kinda see how to play the plane. How to fans are acting how crazy. It is in the arena. Who's making shots? Who's not able as I was in the stands I would just absorb and everything and two years later. I was actually in the final. Yeah which is so. It wasn't a new experience. So that's the only reason I was there and there were Kobe thing I wanted to do. They lost really bad. If Phil Jackson. Low CORREY's idolize. These guys and I wanted to say hi to Kobe. Kobe was in the shower and I wanted to leave. I wanted to go back to New York so I didn't want to wait. So I say anybody Colby Phil Jackson. Says he's in the back and I said okay. He was in the shower. He's naked in the show and I was just like you know I'm a he. He was mad because they just hours so he turns around and he was like Super Shocked. Like house run tests in the show. I just wanted to tell you a good game. I gotTA head out. I wanted to tell you. Go game and Some people say Toby. I wanted to play with him. Yeah that was the story. That's the story. That wasn't what I said. No I told him good game and I was. How have you coped with it? Do you have favorite memories that you've leaned on in Africa? Yeah in the aftermath. Ooh I was flying to Europe to my wife. I left on the twenty six and a day. No no no. I'm I'm just now. Oh what's the this February February? Yeah I'm so my ways. I was coping with it. So I'll give you an example was February twenty six. I'm GonNa play watch a movie and somebody died at the end. I cannot control my crying because I've been suppressing so much so it just comes in waves it just comes comes in wave and on a plane literally and I was like what the hell crying for the also and data the only reason I'm crying uncontrollable so I was glad you know I. It's something you don't cope with. I don't want to cope. No I'm not trying to make it better. I don't want it to get better. Tell you the truth. So you know. Time heals wounds zone. You know the thing that the thing you said during that press conference that hit me right in the gut which I forgot about was you were talking. You mentioned the Pacers team. You were talking about Stephen Jackson and Jermaine. O'neal some of the guys on that team. After when said you know I think about those guys? Yes yes yes. Yes and the fight we had to guess and you said I. A part of me feels like a coward because I I went to the Lakers. What did did you just mean? 'cause I was the last guy to join a great team like the power that that really hit me. Well Yeah when you bill on where you're playing a team sport and you get one person has a big ego and then you bill. Eagles one thing and they've got insane. I don't WanNa play you guys. That's that's that's a coward because you're not you're not you're you're referring to your you requesting a trade from the Pacers wasn't a trade and not taking on situations head on like if you don't like something said tell them directly in China and developed a little bit more of direct. You know over the years but I feel like those guys supported me. They had my back. You know and I felt like I wasn't. I felt like I wasn't as supportive as I should have been. You know like I wasn't that supportive at us. I I was reading all these clips. Why did you request the trade? I couldn't figure that out from from reading it. Requested Trade. That year was because this is the year after the mouse in the PAL mal's on the Palestinian and I cussed trae because I one I couldn't deal with all the pressure that young at that age at that time nowadays but at that time and then going back Indiana playing and playing in Indiana Jersey. After the Bra way too much pressure so I didn't. I didn't know how Tartu approach that saying. Hey I don't want to be here because I'm just I? I need some different because his way to pressure will and I was telling I was telling you in the break room there amid I'm not just saying this. I remember arguing with my friends at this time because I wasn't covering an MBA and a big fan people forget because of the mouse and the palace and the other fit the other famous stories and all of this and like two thousand two to two thousand five six seven. I don't know where you WANNA book end. It like you are first of all defensively. Forget about it like you you were just a brick wall at every position and you were scoring. He looked at the numbers. Twenty one twenty a game. Thirty eight percent from three. You made it all. Nba team like for for a while. There was a period where you could argue a top ten player in the League. That's people need to remember like this guy wasn't just a cartoon character. Notches defended stories. Like this too could ball now. I was definitely a baller. I 'cause you know when you when you put so much effort and time into something and and you know my all the trouble. My career erased a lot of memories of how good I actually was waiting time into the game not to tell myself how good I was because they don't really talk about that. Have you see a documentary? On these ads. You'll see them Dunkin on people shooting baskets and they don't play those clips of me so not I'm not trying to relive moments cavalier? Don't tell you the truth. I even get rid of my instagram. Every time I get one hundred I literally don't care about attention but in terms of basketball is something that was such a huge part of my life so I always myself are good. I was because I love basketball. God I don't I don't see it. I don't see a lot of you know when you when I retired. I didn't see better tired. You Know Moves Indiana. I how good they don't show him even in my documentary. They didn't showa half a good move. So like you could score lockdown defensive guy you were a twenty twenty game score double team triple-teaming post but I got rid of all my wars have no awards. I don't like to talk about the wars but I just like the time that I put into the game it. Just I like to relive the memories of because it's really hard to be good at something. Racer I like. I like to relive it. Defensive Player of the award has gone on. That's the only one that's not going yet but everything else has gone by championship. Ring is gone on route for that off I gave I just recently gave away. True my my defensive all defensive first team all NBA. Thirteen award to two kids. I got three more give away and I don't like to look back. I like to look forward and now looking at awards. Sydney back too much how I was going to say. How are you because you feel like the moment? It's it's it's not funny. It's it's I think it's a real thing you know. We have a lot of players coming out and talking openly about their mental health. Kevin love and Demar Derozan and several others. And I think it does go back to the moment. Were you think you're psychologists after the championship? So how are you doing? What do you want people to know about your current state of well? I don't really want to know anything but I mean you know. Seem great but we're going to talk about 'cause. I Yeah Definitely. I don't really not gonNA podcast. You know we're talking but but I don't really seek as much attention as I used to. When I was young I was always trying to do something to get in the public eye. Something silly color my hair. Wrap anything to get more attention by the way. Did you really? Did you really Recorder App Song With Your Seventy eight year old neighbor Indianapolis. She loves you. She loved it. I was reading clips like she loved living next door to you now. She's amazing so she was a singer. She was older but back to her day. She had albums so she's my neighbor and We had a piece of property. Indiana was connected to her property. We put fences But we didn't put a fence up to our house. She could always get to us. She needed us. That's great you know. And she would make the best. Stachel Cake Man. She can cook and we did a song together and I wish we could have put it out. It was it was a fun song. She she had a great voice and I haven't had contact with her in the ten years. Getting contact with her if you saw alive because she loves anyway you were talking about how it used to do these things to seek attention. Yeah you're young. You know you're in the limelight is like okay. What know the game is over the fans screaming? So it's like what can I do today to get more attention? I just every just a Lotta young. Young athletes not a big percentage of small percentage of athletes. Want a lot of attention. Talk to me about x versus x this new company. You have because it's a new business. You're starting 'cause it sounded concept. Sounds very cool and not like anything I've ever heard before. How did you figure it out? And what is it well as a concept that I need a team to help put it together sold basically. I figured out that a lot of athletes don't really have the opportunity to play sports and get exposure now you got the NCAA. That's a really good platform an MBA is obviously the ultimate platform. You have high school which is a platform but a lot of kids out there. That don't have the connections to get them high school team connections to get Asian Connection Getting College right on this platform. Mcconnell democratizing centralized a little bit It puts everybody on even playing field. So if you're good you'll be able to get exposure. So what do I do if I'm if I'm one of those kids? I'm good and I I. What is it? What sign up to the at x Verse Exports X. VS X? Sports coming out into March is not available right now. We're almost there so you sign up builds your profile and you find games. It's very similar to win. Twitter twitter first came out. I was like what did I do? I find people I signed on to it. I'm like okay. What do I do now so it was invader in Beta and had to get user. Uses are GonNa make the AC so when you sign up You'll you'll try to find games and you can play opened runs. If you can't really get scrimmage game I'll play in High School Game Plan College Game and you WanNa get exposure. You're good player. Nobody knows you play an open runs. You win a game. The game hosts will press in game and everybody gets a win on their profile. Okay and then as you get more wins. People are starting to recognize you. Then you can play in our showcase games directly on the APP right and so case Games we keep stats right and stack keepers at the game score keepers and those stats uploaded directly on the AD We also have have child so we had one team from Puerto Rico who held a tryout on our platform so we had a bunch of experts ex players actually qualify for trial. And if somebody's getting five thousand dollars a week. Wow so that was our first a partnership with a protein now with Fiba we want to be able to work FIBA FIBA teams in Europe so people who have opportunities to get seen not only in America but also overseas. Everybody don't need the million dollar contracts and you probably grew up with guys. What do you use this salute. Absolutely and then retired players can use it cause retired players also starting to stay in line linking exposure. You know so this I. It essentially plays as an agent. But we're not trying to lock down. We want to agents to actually use the planet. Yeah you want them to find plays search out. The play of the players are trying to get you know opportunities and also if you wanted to be on the platform as a recreational player. You're not trying to get exposure. That options available just looking for a game just looking for game look look into place to two houses stats looking for a place to get some recognition and get that. Nba experienced the APP. Do also it's kind of a cool idea. Yes great Let's let's bounce around highlights of your career a couple more when you you mentioned Getting traded from Indiana and all that and obviously the Malsin Palace is one of the Great. What if events in the history of the League when you? Maybe you don't ever do this. But when that enters your brain today is there a moment that freezes for you like if that had gone differently or if I had done that day? Is there any? Is there any moment back onto? That's that's the one where it could've it could've turned to the other way so you're saying well not really no. You can't really control your destiny. No because I like you foul Wallace Ben Wallace shoves you hard And that is like it could've started there. You go underscores you go onto scores stable and it's okay it's okay and then just out of the sky but everything's destiny. You can't really can't predict the future. I mean you can work hard and try to do things and move things around and try to do things right away and if you do things certain ways you know You know this will happen if you study hard. You're GONNA pass you know if you shoot a lot. You're going to become a better player. You can do that but then after you become a better better player somebody can Tho bear you. You can't really prepare for that so I I never looked back. He doesn't he's destiny and that is what it is. Are you actually still friends with a guy like you? You know you got to know the beer throw John. I think his name is. He's a cool guy. You're still in contact. Yeah we we we talk. We talk a couple of times you know we had an incident that was super big in public but to him or to me. It was like a fighter. He threw something. I mean we fight over such a public a black eye and different things to you know to a sport which I get but for me. It was just an incident. I haven't one person my colleague. Jonathan Abrams formerly. We used to work together. Wrote a giant mouse in the palace oral history. You didn't talk to him for it. But there are stories from Jack and Germain and some other saying and we get back in the locker room and people for you watch the video. You forget that was like a war zone. You didn't even see half angles. I I I don't even want to think you'll see when the netflix documentary. Coming out mills. Doing yeah stuff. I just did an interview for that documentary two months ago. And I'm like wow really. It was stuff. I've never known that happened. Can I never watched him? I didn't know somebody actually threw a chair at Martini. I didn't it was so many angles. I'm like wow. This happens all year. Could CATCH ME ON TAPE. Gain like first time reactions. While they're there it tells stories of you all get back in the locker room. And you know Ron ron gets. We're going to get in trouble for this and everyone's GonNa fight back home. You'RE NOT GONNA get in trouble. You get you get in a fight. You Know Momma Momma GonNa fight okay. Did you win? You know you saw has I think we'll get in trouble but this is the corporate world absolutely. You're done buddy. It was the they they they hammered you guys and that team like you said that. That was a really really good team. As was the rockets in two thousand nine hundred one season with the rockets. The starting lineup of that team. If everyone had been healthy you told me before. It was probably Aaron Brooks Tracy McGrady. Shane Badia Luis Scola Yao. And you're coming off. The bench. Is the six men. Are you started a lot because everybody was hurt? That is bad is a bad ass team back hurting playoffs so before the playoffs. Obviously I was on that team. If you really wanted to you t MAC. At the point I could have bought the ball acting God Point Guard Act and God. Every you put you t MAC daddy on the floor together. Three four and everybody can shoot. I want to three. Yeah one two three put school. Yeah Yeah it was that that team team was a series team. Do you think obviously you lose to the Lakers in game seven. But you know without t Mac. I'm not sure how far you guys got. But you look back at. That team is also like boy. What if team x stays healthy if t Mandel Nosey? Yeah that would have been really interesting. Give t MAX stays healthy. Because I wouldn't have been planning but I would have been coming off the bench. I think he would've been playing a lot Shame barrier would have been planning. Shan't shine and you on the wing defensively. Yeah we would have been nasty. There's only so much room for did you really did you really went rented Lamborghini for the playoffs there. I have all my all. My teammates had expensive cars. I've never had expensive cars so only for the players. Were in the car just to just to feel just to be like is is like I want to read. Oklahoma friends. Got Rolls Royces and stuff and I'm showing some Tahoe or something so for the playoffs I I would just. I was just rent a car for the playoffs Lamborghini. Sometimes yeah this is what color red white color. Yeah and luckily I mean we. We lost earlier loss to the second round so turned back end so not funny a a a a non sort of Meta world. Pc Story to your point about working hard at your craft. I was texting. Some of your former coaches and one of them was assistant. Sacramento said to me the number one thing. I remember about Meta his post-game workouts so we used to go back to the Jim after games and he would shoot and shoot and shoot and he would have to make ten threes from every spot on the floor before we could go home no matter how long it took like insect people. Don't people like those? Are The stories people? Don't tell us that true. Like after games now is a little bit of sesame with the game you know and I you know I wasn't working smart 'cause I was doing a lot of the same things over and over again but you know it helped me with my career you know. I just wanted to be as good as I can interesting when you planning Kobe. Bryant Ya you gotTa You. GotTa Stay Jim. Did you really go onto the owners bus with the rockets in your underwear? Heard about the story It wasn't so they looked like under his into that. This is two thousand nine playoff game seven. That's right so I was. I was actually getting my haircut and I didn't want to be late for bus so I had He's long boxes on it. Looked like briefs but they will boxer shorts and I had no shirt on. I'd my suit in my hand and I got. I got on the bus Owners were there but you know the owners. Usually we take the bus. You know the players. Yes I didn't think the owners are going to be on the bus. You know they never on the bus on the bus for that game so I showed up with no shirt on you. Know look like boxes. Can I had to address the run? Yeah to you are publicly. A big game of thrones fan. What's your take on? The final season can't speak on game. They just disappointing. There's your take. I guess I'm disappointed. I'm not disappointed and I'm disappointed that as no more seasonal just might be have you build an IP whatever the case may be and you're tired network and produces give it to somebody else. Us wanted to keep going being. Give the gift that somebody else we don't really need to produce networking and we don't need you no more. We need game of thrones. That's what we need so sell it and go off in the sunset because like you can get us that excited about a show right and then now it's over what they all end. No simplicity in death row. Was that come on. You know that's where it's didn't even do ten seasons. No they squeezed a lot into those six or eight to don't WanNa do it no more because y'all worked a lot and what give it to another network give it another produce and put out more game of thrones. We need two more seasons Lord. Were you satisfied with the end? I was very satisfied with him. But when you know is coming to an end okay you know. There's a lot of game thrown fanatics out there. I'm one of them. Oh it was. We might not ever have a show like that again where everyone stops what they're doing. I don't think I was actually. I don't think that you treat the public like that. I don't think people will support your show and and that's another story. I'm very highly upset about that. Is the Hennessy thing real? Not I wasn't real. There was all halftime. That was stories man. You said it you know. I was writing a book. Fishing people made it out. Tim Floyd Era Bulls could be a book. The Post Jordan Bulls with Tim Floyd the coach and all the young players that could be a whole book by itself. We should make it a book. That's your first team. I I forgot you got traded for. Jalen rose my colleague. Espn Oh wow bulls pacers trade. That's how you ended up. Magellan gave me a lot of confidence. He told me one day. I wasn't shooting the ball and said don't shoot just play defense and I'm like no but I did it. You Know I. I didn't shoot and Jalen rose's he's wanted to pay he said. You Wide Open. Why are you not shooting? I say my coach said I can't shoot. He says shoot the ball Jalen Shuna ball after that. He told me he said. Shoot the ball. Man where you less all here a lot longer than the NBA. And Tim Floyd Floyd. It's just it's just true statement. Well he's a great defensive coach. Tim Floyd He. He was a he. He wanted the reasons while I was a great. Nba Defender really absolutely he. So even at that age you're still learning fundamentals. Tendencies what is he? What is he teaching you? Tim Floyd had these different strategies on how to teach individual defense. I guess I'd I guess any coach credit told me I was locked in. I was paying attention and I had Tim Floyd at a young age and he had some techniques that I have stayed with me for a long time twenty years ago so I don't quite remember but I remember him being a big influence on defense. It's interesting because you do. It's it's funny because you some coaches get beat up and particularly see coach from college like he did to the pros for doing too much fundamentals too much technique NBA NBA players. Don't need the fundamental. They don't want the fundamentals but some sometimes years stories. The coaches who thread that needle so you know was helpful for me to drill down on. Tim Is Great. I love to him but you know Tim was put in a bad spot. Tim was put in a bad spot because I don't think he has. I don't think he had control interesting. I mean you know. I don't think he was able to do what he really wanted to do. I don't think he had a shot and following Phil. I think a little following Phil I don't think he I don't think he was able to do what he wanted to do. As a coach. Would you ever coach coaching my app? Yeah I coach. I coach I coach a lot of places that people always ask me what I want to coach. I'm doing so much basketball. You know. We're going after twenty billion basketball plays in America and a lot of high school players and a lot of that. We're trying to give guidance on where to play. What do it's a lot of basketball coaching on that? I'm doing absolutely that's cool. I think you'd probably be good at it. You know the game you know the craft of it. I you know if I'm good at is cool and I would love to be good at it but I think I really enjoy it. You know so. Just the main thing. I really enjoy coach on Basque. Not playing as great making shots but coaching is ready to well you had a hell run in the NBA. One of my favorite guys to watch in your prime and I know you've got to go. You got a lot of games here. But X versus x coming out at the end of March sounds like a cool APP. And it seems like you're doing great and It's been good running into that senior. Absolutely thanks for the thanks for the time and Plugging MY APP ARI GO. And we got La Times is coming in as a best in in the APP. A partnership beyond the chairman of F C Barcelona Spain China wicks Found US everybody stumble upon has come in a lot of other people. That's coming into the act. They see division is more than just the basketball. We actually have a plan but I need those type of people involved so I can service the basketball players that want service in America starting America then hopefully going global after that but I think it's cool interesting of the game because like I said people remember the the the whatever stories but a lot of players look look at you and your perseverance and your openness about your mental health stuff and say you know that guys has had a lasting influence on the NBA. And it's good to see you sort of stay in basketball. Absolutely thanks for your time. Metta world peace everybody. The low post is presented by goodyear. Discover THE POSSIBILITIES. Goodyear more driven.

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You Can Take the Boy Out of Kansas (but He'll Come Back to Haunt You)

Stories I Tell on Dates

51:58 min | 2 years ago

You Can Take the Boy Out of Kansas (but He'll Come Back to Haunt You)

"Today's episode starts at the mansion just any mansion the playboy mansion. What do you say? We just leave it at that. I'm Paul Shirley, and these are the stories I toll on dates. Los Angeles, a Saturday night. So the referee bounces me the ball, like referees, always. Do I take a deep breath like I always do. Of course, this is a pretty terrible coping mechanism for the chills that are running up and down my back and have left me weaken the knees, but not like s WB biscuits grant out of her which is a little surprising. I wasn't sure she was old enough to know s. w and she says swirling the purple wine in her glass and desperate for something familiar. I pick out one the hooks that holds the net to the rim because those are the same in every Jim clever. She says, she's getting it. I thought she might. She seems smarter than most of the people I might have met on a night like this and she's from zuri. She was in an issue called girls of the SEC. So she might understand the significance of mid western basketball rivalries. I tell myself I have is only for this spot because I'm trying to push from my mind one in. Important fact, if I make this free throw, I will clinch a win inside Allen Fieldhouse home to the Kansas jayhawks which almost no one does as I know all too. Well, having grown up a massive fan of those Kansas jayhawks. Stupid, Kansas fans, Missouri people in Kansas people have a good natured rivalry that wasn't always so good natured, John Brown and Quantrill raiders and all that exactly. I say I dribble twice like I've done since middle school basketball camp when they told us to shoot our free throws the same way each time. The crowd behind Maclear backboard weights ready to sway from right to left just as I used to see it do on my parents. TV the crowd does its part dick talking across. I let go of the ball while hits the front of the rim. The ball hits the back of the ramp. I look at her wanting to ask what happens next because now that I've started kind of want to tell her this story. The surprises me because for a while, this didn't seem possible, but maybe it's been long enough since I quit playing that I'm ready to tell basketball stories again or maybe it's because she caught me unawares. I didn't think I'd meet anyone. I'd want to tell any stories when I arrived at the gates to the playboy mansion brought there by famous basketball player. Scott knows because of course, Scott knows him. And of course I'm roaming Los Angeles with Scott again. Now that I've moved back here to get my writing career off the tarmac. But then she and a friend walked up and started talking to me at one thirty in the morning. They were both playmates are playmates. I should say they corrected me immediately once a playmate. Always a playmate like a president, the one from zuri, the one I'm hoping we'll ask me what happens. Next gave me a tour of the mansion grounds, then she said, we should go back to her place for a glass of wine, and that was not an invitation. A single person like me was going to turn down. The girl from the band and me, we made it all of a month in Los Angeles. The band did not survive the move, either. Okay. So did your free throw go in or not? Well, that I can't tell you yet because this isn't just a basketball story, which means we need to go back aways. So you know why she wiggles her wine glass. Need more. I nod and away we go. Okay. Let's take a quick break from the story for another story. A story about my stitch fix box, arriving Huzzah. The box was cute and easy to deal with and made me want to open it inside. 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Let's get back to the story. Twelve. I was state versus Kansas, nine pm eastern eight PM central. I joined my first basketball team in sixth grade after twenty seconds on the court. My coach walked onto the court to call an exasperated timeout before striding to the spot on the floor where I was few to trying to figure out how to guard my opponent. He moved me bodily to the other side of the boy. No, Paul between him in the basket. After that, I pick things up pretty quickly and it wasn't long before I was in love in eighth grade. My gym teacher who would one day preside over the end of my baseball career. When I stopped a curve ball with my face asked me each day how much I'd practice the night before an hour. I'd say with pride, sometimes an hour and a half, sometimes two hours. It didn't matter to me. There was nothing I liked more than being on the gravel driveway and back with my parents house, just the ball, the basket and me. I felt like a weirdo everywhere else, but there in the driveway with my only judge the swish of the net I was free. By high school. I was harboring dreams of playing basketball in college, but not just at any college. I wanted to play at the university of Kansas once home to Wilt Chamberlain two Dean Smith and to James Naismith the inventor of basketball. It didn't hurt that. Both my parents had graduated from there for that. We lived thirty minutes from campus. Then there was that memory of that night in nineteen Eighty-eight. When Kansas won the national championship on the backs of several college kids. These names all remember forever. It was the second best night of my life right after the night in one thousand nine hundred five when Darryl motley caught the final out in right field and the Kansas City Royals won the World Series as a child. My happiness was very much tied to the performances of my favorite sports teams. My aspirations of one day playing for k. you hardly made me unique. Everyone in northeast Kansas who'd ever put his hands on a basketball had some species claim to why he would someday be a. j. Hawke. There was one difference as a junior in high school. I'd grown to six foot seven could handle myself around the basket and could make a three point shot. So my dream seemed at least reasonable for me playing at k. you wouldn't be winning a multimillion dollar Powerball jackpot. It'd be more like hitting the ten thousand dollar grand prize on one of those scratch off tickets, steal money from poor people. I spent the summer after that junior year playing more basketball than any human wasn't in the NBA tournaments on weekends, summer league games on weeknights exposure camps. During the week, I'd found an AA you basketball team, the, oh, SoHo, clean aimed Kansas pride. That was happy to have me join a front line of similar sized white guys from other small towns in the area. We were good, but not quite as good as Kansas City's AAU juggernaut the children's mercy hospital seventy Sixers home to future NBA washout Corleones young Giran, rush and future Duke star, Corey McGinty who eventually played fourteen seasons in the NBA in our defense, we weren't getting paid to play Siham. H coach, Myron, piggy would later be convicted on conspiracy charges for paying thirty five thousand dollars to high school players on the roster which helped explain why the players always had matching shoes and such good players. I hadn't been named to any of the fancy top one hundred recruiting lists populated by young, rush and McGinty. I wasn't as speedy as I would get when my body's hormonal dosage kicked up from the trickle. It was set on in my jerseys. Still hung off me like I was a scarecrow, but that summer I blossomed into something more than the dominance. Small town player. I was assumed to be in on July first recruiting call started the only problem. The voices on the other end weren't the ones I wanted to hear. My most ardent suitors were employed by the likes of North Dakota state the university of Missouri at Rawla, Colorado school of mines and northern state university, which confusingly is in South Dakota. Not a peep from Kansas hell. I didn't even hear from Kansas state and Kansas state was terrible. This was not how this was supposed to go. One of the disembodied voices coming out of the top end of the cordless phone that hung in my parents kitchen belong to Steve craftsperson, an assistant coach at the university of North Dakota. He played at North Carolina and Isla and was as he told me the only player to score and NCWA final fours with two different teams. Most of the coaches who talked to me did so as if they were reading off cue cards, like the ones I'd prepared for my first date with Kelly Stefka, but not coach k.'s. He asked predictably to be called. We had real conversations about real topics. Sports weather, girls, his wife, how he'd ended up in North Dakota and in another departure from the norm. He had a sense of humor. He sent me recruiting letters featuring cut out pictures of supermodels with dialogue bubbles that read, I hope Paul comes to North Dakota. This was more like what I thought recruitment would be like, all I needed now was for Steve craft seasons voice to be replaced by that of Matt Doherty. The. The head assistant at Kansas by the fall. The caliber of my suitors had increased slightly probably because of the natural reordering process that occurs in college basketball recruitment as it became clear that the guy above me was going to go to somewhere above them. The better schools ratcheted down their expectations. I was hearing from smaller division one schools, most of them on the east coast, and most of them have that breed of college known to be associated with smart white kids like me, the Ivy leagues the year before a done well enough on the PSAT that I'd been named a national merit finalist thusly in the eyes of Ivy league basketball coaches. I was as attractive as a cinnabon stand on cheat day. On the basketball recruitment calendar, September is home visit month. I granted as many coaches as I could the opportunity to navigate Jefferson county's gravel roads on route to the Shirley acreage of two acres. The coaches were mostly the same. The fitting coaches who were all in the places they were for about the same reason. They were honest and decent men. Both of which are characteristics generally detrimental to big time college coaching success, Dartmouth Holy Cross air force, Harvard, Missouri Rolla Washburn in the university of North Dakota. Of course, coach k. was just as great in person as he was on the phone, laughing about how his knees almost touched his chin. When he sat down in our old rocking chair, those coaches didn't tell me I'd someday play in the NBA. They didn't even say I'd play if I came to their schools. You'll have the same chances everyone they said, which was about all I could ask for. It's just I wanted to ask for it somewhere else. One day that winter while most of the coaches who were recruiting mate were focusing their attention on the teams. They already had my father said he had an idea at first, I protested. It just wasn't what people did dad, but after twenty four hours of teenage stubbornness, I came around the alternative was a home at someplace like the university of Missouri Rawla where because it was an engineering school, the male to female ratio was twelve to one. But don't worry that team's assistant coach at said, the players get all the girls I wrote down every place. I could conceivably imagine playing, maybe not Duke Kentucky or North Carolina, but north western western Kentucky and North Carolina, Charlotte, and on and on. And on. When I was done, I had a list of sixty schools using a directory dug up at the Topeka library. I found out the names of the head coach at every one of them and then I fired up. We're perfect on the Hewlett Packard that resided in my parents bedroom and turned out my letters in which I explained who I was and what I believed that inspired or the fact that I played basketball for high school in the town of seven hundred people. I was good enough to play at their respective schools. Most of the coaches didn't respond, but a few of them did at Oklahoma Kelvin Sampson wrote that he appreciated the initiative I'd taken but that he didn't have any scholarships left. Northwestern said they were full to and from. Iowa stayed in a leaning scrawl head coach, Tim Floyd said he too was sorry. But then he couldn't come up with scholarship for me. Well, Tim Floyd was writing to me. I was tearing up high school basketball courts all over northeast Kansas, fueled in no small part by all those rejections. Sometimes during my senior year, I'd only score twenty, but a lot of the time I scored thirty an accomplishment made all the more difficult. Thanks to the zones, the double teams and boxes, and ones that were engineered by opposing small town coaches by season's end average twenty five points and twelve rebounds shooting a nearly unbelievable seventy percent from field while also blocking four shots every game leading the state in both categories and we were winning. We had a coach who encouraged us to raise up and down the court. A point guard jed Traxler who transferred to our school before junior year who could throw me in alley youth and a three point shooter to take the pressure off the inside together. We took our tiny high school to the state tournament for the first time in school history. Surely. Someone would notice all of that. I thought. And so they did the university of Missouri, Kansas City you KC was interested. So was Wichita state and Drake university into Moines better, but still not the place I wanted? Sure. I'd written those letters to schools all over the country, but I hadn't given up hope on Kansas by March. Most of the high school seniors who are going to play college basketball, the following autumn had already signed their letters of intent or about to like a sophomore girl who's three months pregnant. I need to make a decision. So after we lost by seven, in the first round of the state tournament, I visited Dartmouth Harvard, the university of Vermont and the university of North Dakota at Dartmouth. I saw my first real party and I thought maybe Hanover was the right place for me, but then I came home and we figured out that my parents would have to pay fifteen thousand dollars a year for me to go to keggers with rich white people. Harvard was expensive to, of course, but it was Harvard or so said our families resident, Harvard grad, my uncle, Tom in Vermont, the coach told me he thought I could be a Rhodes scholar and at North Dakota, true to form coast k. made the competition. Look clownish, Lee, incompetent. My hotel room was filled with green and white balloons when I got to the gym on the scoreboard above a message. Read welcome Paul to the home of your future dunks. Here I was wanted. Here I would succeed here. I would probably become the team star, but at a division two school. After the visit, I told coach k. how much I appreciate it. Everything he'd done in that I'd miss him in the models. But the thing was one way or another. I was going to play division one basketball. He was disappointed. He told me, but he wasn't surprised. I might even be able to help. He said. Before taking a job at the university of North Dakota coach k. had been in assistant at Iowa State. When I told him to buzz off, he called Iowa State head coach, Tim Floyd, and told him about this kid, and no one knew about, but he thought was good enough to play in the big twelve, the sports conference that had just been formed by all the former members of the big eight and a half. The members of the southwestern conference Floyd had just given away his last scholarship. He had an idea though one of his former assistants was at southern Mississippi. Why didn't he put us in touch the next day I took a call in the high school library. It was the head coach, southern miss offering a scholarship. This was a little more like it a few days later I heard from the head coach at Davidson college in North Carolina. He was willing to fly to Kansas to watch me work out soon. After his visit, I went to Charlotte to walk the campus at Davidson, the smallest division one school in the United States, and the only one that's still did all of its students. Laundry. Then when I got back from North Carolina, two pieces of news, we're waiting after a little research. My mother had learned that it I was state status as a national merit finalist was worth a full academic scholarship. She'd gotten back in touch with the basketball office and Tim Floyd had started paying attention again if I wanted. I could come to Ames on that academic scholarship and play for the team. Technically, I would be a walk on a non athletic scholarship player, but Floyd promise not to tell anyone, but I was state would have to wait because the other piece of news was that Matt Doherty had called ROY Williams wanted me to come to Lawrence to talk. The night before the big day, I conjured various dream scenarios all of which involved roaring Allen Fieldhouse crowds Raef lafrentz than the jayhawks starting power forward high fiving the after Lael. Paul Pierce whose I practiced. I'd watched as a high school junior picking me up off the floor after I'd take an charge shock. Wban smiling at me as we both ran back on defense after I'd made a short jumper. In the morning, I put on my best Saint John's bay long-sleeve cursed the pair of Whitehead's that had made an inconvenient appearance overnight and got into the grand Voyager with my parents for the drive to Lawrence. After we found the basketball offices and after we waited the requisite fifteen minutes, we were ushered into ROY Williams plush office. His desk was a monstrosity, something out of the mediocre John Grisham novels. I was reading at the time, been the man himself appeared his voice all Honey and clover. Just like in the press conferences, I'd watched. He offered us the chairs across from his desk, my eyes wandered to the pictures of him coaching, various national teams, his arms around Jim behind Dean Smith gene Katie in then we sat. In that same accent, ROY Williams crushed my boyhood dreams. He hadn't called because he wanted me to come to Kansas. He'd called because he wanted me to go to Davidson as it turned out that random call from Davidson hadn't been all that random someone at Kansas. It called Davidson's coach about me, but that wasn't the worst of it. While I weighed what I was being told, Williams dropped the death blow. Telling me that I needed to face up to the fact that I wasn't good enough to play in the big twelve stunned I asked about Iowa State, Kansas is new, big, twelve, rival bay seem pretty interested. I said both Williams and Dougherty scoffed. You don't want to go to Iowa State, just go to Davidson. It'd be a great place for you. Were they trying to do a favor for an old friend? Were they trying to keep me out of the big twelve in case I blossomed and came back to haunt them? Or were they just trying to get me out of their office so they could get back to smoking cigars drinking port or playing cards or whatever it is that people do in a room with carpet. That's an engine a half tall. I never knew exactly. I did know that they were right about one thing. Davidson would have been a great place for me. My visit had happened on a spring weekend, so gorgeous that I almost signed up on the spot. Plus the coach at Davidson was a pulse. Shirley fan and Davidson wasn't so division. One also ran the team would eventually be known for producing NBA super duper star Steph, curry. After I staggered out of ROY Williams, his office and after my mother vowed that she'd never, again cheer for Kansas. And after I said no to Wichita state and Drake and m KC whose head coach had come to my high school with a letter of intent that he wanted me to sign on the spot. My options were set Davidson. Araya was state. Davidson seemed like the safe option. Even though it was farther away I'd be welcomed their hailed, maybe not as the future, conquering hero, but at least with open arms, Iowa State was a risk. Sure. Tim Floyd had said, no one would ever know. I was technically a walk on, but could I trust him would I really have a chance to play one late spring evening with my brothers, treating me like the rubber tires in a bumper car track. I sat down at the kitchen table and made a call him of pros and cons. Iowa State was closer Davidson was friendlier. Iowa State had an engineering program. Davidson was a better school. I'd spoken to Tim Floyd. Once I talked to the Davidson coach nearly every day, my list organized, reasonable and fittingly obsessive compulsive solved. Nothing. What did help make up my mind was the searing pain of unequivocal rejection until ROY Williams told me from behind his massive desks that I wasn't good enough to play in the big twelve. The rejections had been passive and unreturned letter a phone call that never happened. My desire for retribution had been similarly, ephemeral. I wanted to prove these people wrong, but my anger didn't have a focal point. Now, though I had something to hold onto. After I called Davidson, the coach wrote me a four page letter in which he told me how much he'd enjoyed getting to know me. It made me wonder about my decision to go to Iowa State as did the first day of pickup basketball in Ames the following autumn when future NBA first round draft, pick Kelvin. Cato spun out through down a vicious, slam dunk on top of my head as did the first weekend of official practice when we had a pair of grueling three hour sessions on Saturday and another pair on Sunday as did the first late of games during which I was mired at the end of the veg- as did laundry day. And every time I was out of clean socks. Every so often though little tendrils of life shot up practices when I'd outsmart keta with timely pump fake in early game at the university of Iowa before which coach Floyd took me aside to tell me I was going to play a lot and into which I was inserted because one of my senior teammates was ineligible. I scored a quick eight points more important though, was the feeling I got on the court. I wasn't good enough yet, but the path was getting clearer. ROY Williams was going to be wrong about meat. We made it all the way to the NCWA tournaments Sweet Sixteen my freshman year finishing with the twenty two and nine record. Thanks to five. Beloved seniors. Five beloved seniors are fans would miss the following season. My sophomore year when are twelve and eighteen record helped Dr Tim Floyd in the arms of the Chicago Bulls. This was a problem. Coach Floyd hadn't been all blessings and butter cups, but I could tell he liked me that he had plans for me one day during Christmas break. My sophomore year. He asked me to come with him to Moines after practice. He had to speak at a fundraiser. He said, when we got there, he told me I was going on stage. Are like seven hundred people out there. I said, you'll be fine. He said with the same Bri grin charmed. Most everyone he came in contact with and I was. It was a man who had confidence in me who'd said far nicer things to me than my own father. And now he was leaving in the heart of my college career, and there was no way of knowing who the athletic director would pick to replace him. But I reckon there wasn't much I could do about any of that. So that summer I went back to my parents house with myriad athletic cliches on the brain. I was a not going to let anything stop me be ready to take on the world. See going to lift harder, run faster, and work longer than anyone else. I was ridiculous. It was like I was writing slogans for those no fear shirts at once favored. But I was also serious. I knew I was close to realizing the dreams. I'd carry it around since my summer at Skinner's nursery, and I was going to do everything I could to make my dreams come true. During the day I trained at my old high school lifting weights in the fetid dungeon where at once watched their Dinsmore fracture vertebrae doing clean and jerk that night. I drove to Kansas City for summer league games in a brick of Jim near the CEO, which is a street where people are sometimes shot by the middle of the summer. The cliches were lining up. I was getting bigger, stronger better. I noticed that I was far less afraid of my opponents. Now I was starting to figure out how my body worked and my teammates on that summer league team. We're taking note often throwing the ball and telling me to go to work and take it to him. It is difficult to be at a Milan creative when you are out of Renner, then came, the news, Iowa State had hired a man named Larry you. She who'd most recently been the head coach at Utah state. My initial research turned up some data. Most of you Stacy's players at Utah state only stayed for a year or maybe two. Which did nothing to counter. What I was hearing about is too radical attitude toward coaching. Then the rumors got less room ary at the same time that I was thinking about my third year of college, my brother Dan was thinking about his first. He was headed off to play basketball at a college in Kansas called Pittsburg state, and as luck would have it. One of his new teammates had just transferred in from Utah state. I call Dan's new teammate to ask what you stay. She was like toward the end of what had already been in alarming conversation. He said, look, you seem like a decent enough guy. I'm going to tell you a no uncertain terms. You do not want to play for that man shaken. I called the man himself. When I did his wife answered. I said, your name is Stacey. You Stacey. Great start. Paul. When my new coast got on the phone, I asked him my questions. Did he know about me? It coach Floyd said anything was the starting job. I'd earned still mine. All I wanted was a little reassurance for him to tell me to calm down that he'd love the way I'd played in some game or another, but reassurance was not forthcoming. You'll have the same chances. Everyone else he said was no longer what I wanted to hear. From the outside the participants in college, basketball and football seem to have hit the jackpot, the colors, the pageantry, the fans, these things make college sports. Look like a wonderland. I had once thought this to if someone had told me in high school that I would someday get to play major college basketball, I would've asked what deal I'd have to make what the devil. However, when you're inside the machine, it's a different story. You're tired, you're overworked grown. Men are screaming at you and you realize how much money is being made in how little of it you're seeing. Sure the fans like you, but their patients is short. There were players before you. There will be players after you. Oh, and you are twenty years old with no one to guide you are to advocate on your behalf. What if I went back to Iowa State and Larry used as she didn't like how I played, what if he was already trying to find my replacement? What if he was already holding a grudge? Because I'd noticed his. Wife's rhyming name. With the wise and the what if roiling in my brain an idea popped up an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem. I called my high school coach, and I told him to get in touch with Kansas. ROY Williams would surely be excited about having me come play for him now that I'd prove my worth as a big, twelve basketball player. My coach told me he'd see what he could find out. And I went back to training and playing those games near the CEO in Kansas City getting ready for a season who's location, I didn't yet know, but whatever that was big and strong in twenty and invincible. Near the end of one of our games. I went up for a rebound it was a lot like any other rebound except that when I came down, I slipped on the Jim sweaty floor. I lost my balance and smashed my right elbow, opening it all the way to a ligament, which shone bright white, and it's little tissue taco. And that was alarming. I thought my dad agreed and we went for stitches at the hospital into PICO where my mother had once worked. The doctor on call. So I should probably have some antibiotics too. I was on a low level course for the acne that was still plaguing me in college. I asked if that was sufficient. Sure. He said three days later, my arm had swollen and was oddly hot. So I went to the offices of our favorite orthopedist where a doctor pronounced swelling was a result only of the trauma of the injury. He put me in a half caste and sent me home that night. I was sitting in our ancient rocking chair idly watching television. I'm mother came over to check on me feel okay. She asked, I shrugged and she put her hand on my forehead. I had a fever of one hundred and three. We rushed to the emergency room at the same hospital where a new doctor re-cut. The wound song stupa Fant, which is a common French phrase. I just made up to me and they couldn't use any light. Oh Cain to numb the side as it would contaminate the sample, they needed to send to the lab. By the time I was done hyperventilating from the combination of the fever and the pain that results when someone cuts into your naked flesh with the scalpel we had the verdict, a fair number of staphylococcus bacteria had invaded the Bursa in my elbow. I had what is commonly known as a staff infection. I was not. In fact, invincible. Doctors get panicky about bacterial infections. A fact with which I would become well acquainted once my brother, Dan grew up in became an infectious disease. Doctor, nurses also get pretty panicky about them effect with which I would become well acquainted right. Then my mother was never routinely sympathetic toward her sons when they were sick. This is because before her stand with the county health department, she'd worked as a nurse. I at the Veterans Administration hospital near where I was born and then at the regular hospital where I was now about to be admitted and put on IV antibiotics. Oh, you've got a cold, at least you don't have leukemia. Oh, there's a splinter in your hand. At least you have a hand. Nursing has a way of putting things in perspective. However, there's one benefit to having a nurse for a mother when something serious comes up, like a staff infection raging inside the elbow of her eldest son. She goes into action. She was on the doctor's like a drill sergeant. But not in the way that most mortals might have been, which would be to wonder why someone had accepted that. Whatever antibiotics I was on were sufficient port to ask why no one had caught the staff infection earlier that day. She was only interested in solving the problem in front of her getting me upstairs and making sure I didn't lose an arm. Meanwhile, I wasn't doing much thinking at all extreme fevers. Having that affect on people. I was mostly worried about when I would be able to close my eyes because the fever and all the pain killers they pumped into me after the scalpel work. These things had me sleepy. So it was with only partial interest in the situation that I watched. My parents closed the door to my hospital room telling me they'd be back in the morning. It is usually lazy and possibly disingenuous to skip to the next part of a story by saying. And the next thing I knew, however, in this case, it was the truth that the next thing I knew my parents were walking through the door and then they weren't walking or one of them wasn't anyway. My mom was rushing to my bedside, her eyes wide and her nostrils flared. She grabbed my arm started your antibiotics. Like I said, I wasn't using shortcut when I said the next thing I knew my mom's is got even wider and she world for the door. I can only imagine what happened at the nurses station in terms of the supernatural, like my mom's sprouting scaly wings and turning into a demon. Rightfully so someone had forgotten to start the IV antibiotics that had been deemed urgent. The night I was admitted to a hospital where in addition to having once worked, she'd given birth to all three of my brothers. I'll never know. Of course, whether I was close to losing my arm or to any of the other catastrophes that might have befallen my body of the staph infection had gone checked. I also do not know how much of the Bill from my three day stay in the hospital. My parents had to pay, but my educated guess is none of it. I do know that when I got out of the hospital, it was with a port in my arm through which I've e- antibiotics were delivered for the next two weeks during daily trips back to the hospital. Thanks to all this trauma in the fact that I couldn't work out while my body recovered from its invasion. I also lost twenty pounds. I didn't have to lose all of this while all manner of Macintoshes had probably been going on at Iowa State and at Kansas. Sometime during my recovery, a chill, flushed, my spine. I told my high school coach to call Kansas hadn't. I regret poured through me in a way that is familiar to anyone who's checked the messages they sent after at night, made hazy by drinking. My call had made a lot of sense when I'd been a hail athletic specimen that almost any college program would be happy to have it made a whole lot lessons now that I'd return to looking like a scarecrow the real problem was this one by asking my coach to call Kansas. I'd already largely committed to carrying through with going Kansas. If the new coach at Iowa State this you stay. She fellow found out I was considering leaving. Well, that's probably why someone I applied the phrase burning bridges to situations that didn't involve actual bridges. I dialed my high school coach with even more fear than when I'd called Kelly step kit for the first time coach. Yeah. Did you call Kansas? There was a pause. No, Paul didn't. It felt the little disloyal. I don't know that my si- of relief was audible. I do know that it was a conflicted sigh of relief because on the one hand, my high school coach had inadvertently saved me from a storm of confusion and he wasn't wrong. I had to be thankful for what I'd gotten so far from Iowa State, but on the other heat, sorta kinda taken my destiny in his own hands. And what I'd gotten from Iowa State, I mostly owed to the man who just left. Then there was that quote, from my brothers, new teammate, you do not want to play for that man, but I'd had enough conflict for one summer, so I reported to my now familiar campus tilling. No one had designs on being there again. In my first encounter with my new coach, the husband of Stacey, you stay. She did nothing to allay my concerns about his interpersonal skills. When I was finished telling him the story of my terrifying summer, he said, well, at least you weren't the guy. I was reading about a few days ago. He got a staph infection while sailing across the Atlantic lamb self and had to cut off his own arm. Okay. Well, you're not wrong coach, but jeez, thanks to the staff infection. Thanks to a long term strategy. You stay. She was cooking up. It was decided that I was going to spend the season as a redshirt, a player who can practice, but not play. The plan was for me to gain weight and strength. While we awaited the arrival of a couple of recruits that were going to make far better the following season, then even that plan fell apart. When I recovered from the staff infection, a sharp pain in my pelvis led to the discovery of an aversion fracture in my right issue them the bone in your pelvis that makes it look like a poorly, John Hart. My hamstring had pulled a piece of this phone away which explain the stabbing pain. Anytime I leaned over to pull on a pair of socks. This was on top of the staff infection and those on top of the fact that you stay, she had never seen me play. Faded into the background, a ghost relegated to the sidelines during practice in St. closed during games, ignored by my coaches and teammates. They were getting distance from me like I was a leper or an ex girlfriend. I couldn't blame them. I didn't know if I'd be able to play college basketball. Again, there was though one thing I could do lift weights. So each day is my teammates started practice. I reported to the weight room where I listened to Zach della Rocca rage while I took out my frustrations on the assorted weight lifting apparatus available to me when I got into college, I weighed two hundred pounds and bench, press one hundred and eighty five of them, which by the standards of college basketball would be labeled terrible. By the end of that Richard season, two hundred and thirty pounds. It could bench press three hundred and thirty, which by the standards of Larry, Stacey would be labeled as acceptable, but which by the standards of most people would be labeled as nearly superhuman. As winter turned to spring, I was cleared to practice on the court. I noticed that my newfound Braun provided me with a new set of options. If I wasn't scoring points or getting rebounds, I could keep other people from doing those things before I'd relied on my wits on the court. Now I was relying on my body and in the process becoming that, which I'd once resented the physical specimen who throws himself around the court, like he's the disk in a game of air hockey, but I told myself it would be worth it because the thing that is usually true about guys who are big and play hard. Basketball coach will find a way to get those guys on the court. Even if that coach is the sort of asshole, who when you explain your staff infection to him shrugs and tells you that at least you didn't have to cut off your arm. We started the following season my junior year on a sour note losing two of our first three games, but we found the melody after that winning twenty two of the next twenty three and rising to number fourteen in the national polls. Well, also, jostling for position atop the big twelve conference despite his prickly demeanor or perhaps because of it, you stay. She had done a masterful job of pairing income and superstar Marcus visor with Iowa's dates, newest toy, Brooklyn playground legend. Dumol Tinsley. Next up was a game in the home of the team with which we were jostling at the top of the conference table, the university of Kansas. The game was on ESPN. Part of that network's big Monday coverage. It had been a year and a half since the staph infection. And the memory of my dalliance with Kansas had been replaced by a familiar narrative. The one that featured ROY Williams telling me I would never be good enough to play in the big twelve. And yet here I was ROY doing exactly that. The week before the game. I stayed for an extra hour after each practice shooting free, throws the image of ROY Williams face floated above the basket. Somehow I was going to show him show all of them that I belong. I wasn't sure how though. Knew better than anyone how rarely Kansas lost on its home court inside cavernous Allen Fieldhouse named after legendary coach Forrest Claire thog Alan whose mentor had been the guy who invented the game. These are two of the ghosts that haunt Allen Fieldhouse. They aren't the only ones. There's Dean Smith who learned the game at fog Allen's feet before becoming a coaching legend in his own, right. There's CLYDE Lavelle lead Kansas to its first national championship in nineteen fifty two. There's any manning we'd lead Kansas to its second national championship in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight causing me to go into paroxysms of joy. Won't spotted manning at the end of an aisle in the Lawrence WalMart, we were in town to watch the Christmas vespers program put on by the university. I was nine years old. Do I asked my mother. For his autograph. Mr. manning, can I have your autograph. It was still in a cork board in my childhood bedroom as the game tipped off. Many years later, Kansas forward, Nick collison would tell me that at halftime of the game after I'd outwitted him and his teammate drew Gooden for several offense. Rebounds ROY Williams screamed at both of them. Do you knew over Meridian which he said wrong, not knowing right one Kansas is no. Well, if Shirley gets another offensive rebound in the second half, I'm going to tight in my car and after the game, I'm going to drag you there. I think I got another offensive rebound in the second half and I don't think ROY Williams tied either policy or good and do his car. He must've forgotten caught up in the excitement like everyone inside Allen Fieldhouse. He could be forgiven. The oversight our game was one of those that made kids like me fall in love with basketball and old fashioned barn burner that had all fifteen thousand eight hundred fans on their feet. For most of the game, the roar they created came at us like Wade's so loud that we had to signal each other with our hands. It was all I could do to keep from thinking. About what was happening. We were really doing it beating Kansas in the place where no one beats Kansas in I was having a lot to do with it. Coach stay. She may not have been the sort of gentle soul. I wanted him to be, but he was smart enough to take advantage of six foot nine, two hundred and thirty pounds. Human was willing to turn himself into a missile in the service of retribution. At the end of play, went our way, and then a plate went their way, and then a play went our way again. And pretty soon there wasn't much time left and the game came down to the end of the story was also the beginning of the story. Me at the free throw line in Allen Fieldhouse with a chance to seal the win for my team at Kansas and a chance to seal something like vindication for myself. I was sweating hard in my red and gold uniform, which seemed godly bright. When mixed up with Kansas is pristine home whites behind me. A giant Jayhawk was painted across the floor. The mythical bird had replaced a massive, yellow map of Kansas, the color and shape burned into my memory from those games I used to watch as a child. I was tired from all those rebounds and from the days of preparation leading up to the game, the late nights and the post practice free throw sessions. When imagined. This vary scenario visualizing ROY Williams, his face anytime I got tired or felt like quitting the crowd bought and the basket swayed from right to left now, dribble twice and I shot my free throw and the ball bounced once on the front of the rim. And once on the back. And then as with most things in life, it just happened no more preamble, no more anticipation. No more preparation. The ball fell through the net. We need just wanted Kansas. The crowd inside Allen Fieldhouse didn't roar because home crowds don't roar for the opposition. They seemed a little pissed off in fact, robbed of their chance to start the chant that brings forth ago STS raw Shah Jay. Haw my teammates skipped toward one another ready to celebrate ready to leap into waiting arms. I walked toward the Iowa State bench a few yards from ROY Williams. I'd imagine this moment ever since that visit to his office through practices through early morning. Wakeup calls through summer sessions on the track through feverish nights with IV antibiotics being dispensed into my arms, ROY Williams words bouncing through my head like one of those Super Bowls in the back of a u. haul. It wasn't just about him. Of course it was all of them. All of those division. One coaches who thought I was too skinny or too short or from two small town. This didn't make me any different from thousands or millions or billions of others before me driven by something a man said to them. But in this case it was me and now I had to decide what to do with ROY Williams. The options ran through my head like a menu. Should I shake his hand and say, nothing. Should I give him a wink in laugh? Should I flip in the bird? Then through the fans, the players, the people from ESPN his is found mine like a Kennedy bullet, didn't odd. I didn't. Wink. I didn't flip him the bird only smiled and he only looked away because I was twenty one years old and because I was more by rage than reason. It was only the greatest feeling I'd ever had. The playmate from zuri taps. The side of her empty wine glass with a blood red fingernail. She says the pretty much forgotten about almost becoming a traitor. My laugh and lean into the vinyl behind me, the ignorance of youth Irit just trying to square the circle in your head. I can feel the wrinkle in my brow. What do you mean? Like people who get divorced? I once read somewhere that usually when people split up there on okay terms. But by the end, there's a good chance. They'll hate each other because of the lawyers and stuff. No, because they need to convince themselves that they made the right decision. Our brains don't linked to be uncomfortable, so I had to decide I hated ROY Williams even though like forty, five percent. We wanted to still be playing for him exactly swirl the fuel remaining drops of blind around the crimson dot at the bottom of my glass, it'll probably only get worse want it. Way better. The story as I get older, I'll probably forget more and more about how many ways I could have ended up at Kansas, and it'll become a story about me versus big bad, ROY Williams. She says, rising out of her chair still a hell of a story, though this is what I wanted to hear all that long. Of course. We moved to her bedroom. She's got one of those memory foam mattresses and lying down as a relief after a night of standing around at the playboy mansion. We kiss a little, but nothing happens as it were. It's too late and she says, she's not that kind of girl. And as I go to sleep, I'm feeling pretty good about that because who knows it might be kind of interesting to date a former playmate, take her home to Kansas have meet my family. People won't understand because they never do, but who am I to judge her for being in playboy. I was in the NBA and people make all sorts of judgments about that. Not to mention. She's wiser than she has any right to be. As I drift off. I'm congratulating myself on the new maximum. I've just worked up. Just as you shouldn't judge a book by its cover. You shouldn't judge a playmate by her centerfold. My wake up today, daylight streaming into her bedroom. It must be ten AM I'm alone. So she's probably in the bathroom or maybe in the kitchen. I do a quick body scan to gauge how I feel, which is not nearly as bad as I thought considering that I had way more than one free drank before that bad rapper took the stage at the mansion I look around the room, live laugh. Love is on blocks on a shelf, and there's a dance like no one's watching poster and such things might turn me off if she sold insurance or top third grade. But in this case they serve as ballast kind of weighed against the playboy thing. Like all the other things I've done service counterweight against the playing in the NBA thing. I continue my survey of the room rotating my head counterclockwise asked the dresser, the mirror, another shelf, this one with candles on it, and that's when I see it above her bed, blown up to twenty four inches by thirty six inches is a picture. It's her own centerfold. I turn sharply so I can see the whole thing. I'm hoping it will at least be painful pans covering pubis, that sort of thing. It is not tasteful. One hand is on her hip, pushing her naked pelvis toward the camera, her breasts are fully exposed making the photo more National Geographic than not. But most important. It's above her bed. Hey, she says from the doorway I world from the poster. Hi, my voice has more enthusiasm than I intend because my brain is being overrun with questions. What happens when her parents come to visit when friends are over with unsuspecting gentlemen, collars like myself, she leans into the door jamb playing de and get back. I say. If you think you could take me to my car. Remember what I said about not judging girl by her centerfold. That's only true if it isn't hanging over her bed. Thanks for staying all the way to the end on a serious note. I appreciate that you took the time to listen to my voice, and I hope you'll subscribe and share with your friends, a big, thank you to lunch, break entertainment for their help in bringing this oral adventure to life because everyone should go on an adventure once in a while. Oh, by the way, that's oral with an AU, Google it. If you have to.

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Best Of (MJ's final season, 'The Last Dance,' Brady vs. Rodgers, LeBron's Finals stats)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

59:50 min | 4 months ago

Best Of (MJ's final season, 'The Last Dance,' Brady vs. Rodgers, LeBron's Finals stats)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go good horning welcomed undisputed. How are you guys doing today? Phyllis and Shannon Sharpe. And I'm ready to get this show going slower my journey. I am so ready to get going. Wait Guilt Vela's Shannon Sharpe. You've been in trouble all week and I believe you're going to be in more trouble starting right now. Hopefully after Sunday which will be one of the happiest days of my life. Weakest Stop This blasphemy one Goat James. That's what I want to have Shannon. You Defending Your Guy. All Week Good news for us we also have Eric Dickerson joining us later on in the show but you know what only appropriate that we start by talking about Michael Jordan and those bowls because it's hard to believe but we're going to see the end of the last dance. It concludes this Sunday and skip. You taste social media video to be released on Sunday afternoon in which you're gonNA great detail about two big one on one interviews. You did late in the bulls ninety eight season with GM Jerry Krause and head coach Phil Jackson author. Which you said Liu your mind so skip I wanna ask you your final takeaway from covering the Bulls in nine hundred ninety eight and that's the ginny in all my years in this business. I've never found myself in something so baffling so con- sounding so troubling and ultimately so mind blowing is what I found myself in the middle of in Nineteen Ninety eight as the columnist for the Chicago Tribune watching the last dance from the inside out. Big Sit down interviews in late March with Jerry Krause the GM and then in early May during the Charlotte playoff series. Big Sit down in Phil Jackson's office with the coach of the Bulls and what I heard from each of these two men whose relationship obviously had completely deteriorated was just difficult for me to process and I remind everybody I had just come to Chicago before that season straight from Dallas Texas where I'd written three books about the Dallas Cowboys. The second of those books predicted that Jerry Jones would soon sire Jimmy Johnson that was after their first super bowl. Obviously they won a second together. And then Jerry Fire Jimmy is. My Book. Predicted in the final chapter would happen. Everybody told me I was out of my mind then but I said No. This is predictable that blow up. I got this one. I I still can't get and Shannon. Here's the point that playoff run. I caught Michael after one game and I told him that. That sill was just openly saying we were all presuming. That have still got fired if his contract didn't get renewed and we knew that was going to happen because he had fallen completely. Apart that everybody presumed that Michael was going to go to and sill was openly saying to everybody including me in that big sit down interview that Michael had run out of gas in nineteen ninety eight and because of his loyalty to feel he was just going to flat out retire. Remember we're talking about the greatest player. Who Ever played in any team sport willing to walk away in the heart of his prime or at least at the end of his prime and missing his age. Thirty five thirty six thirty seven season by just sitting out which is what he ultimately as we know did. But when I asked Michael About Sills contention that that Michael would just up and retire coldly replied to me that's feels opinion and that was the first sign of lives and hope that. I heard from Michael Jordan and it made me very happy because there was no reason for Michael to go to and as we all know. Jerry Krause had plucked Phil Jackson Out of obscurity. He was a coach for the Albany patrons. Argument is assistant coach. Then when Phil Kissed Up and buddied up to Jerry Krause. Jerry fell in love with Phil and finally replaced Doug Collins with Phil Jackson. Doug had coach Michael for three of his early years and yet once Phil got hold of the reins of the organization and they won their first championship. Silk completely turned on Jerry. Just duped him to get the job and began to mistreat just the way Michael. Scottie shamed and ridiculed little tiny the penguins. I call him Jerry Krause. So Jerry Krause was living in one or to get even with Phil we get that and he already had a handshake agreement with Tim's Loin from Iowa state to be the new coach the Bulls so I- publicly encouraged Michael to just forget about Phil. Forget about Tim Floyd. They called him. Paints Lloyd off the Rock Group. That was her sarcastic. Term for because fill-up in Floyd and I thought Michael could then go to Jerry Krause and say hey look. I realized the bridges. Burn between Jerry and Phil. I got it but they'll never coexist again. So let's forget about Phil but don't give me Tim Floyd or pink. Floyd gives me a real coach. Bring Back Doug Collins. Obviously Doug ultimately want with Michael for his last HURRAH YEARS. Thirty eight thirty nine years old in Washington give me Doug Collins back. Give Me Anybody. Who's a made man in the NBA is a head coach? Anybody with credibility stature and experience and I'll go forward why Michael wouldn't do that to this day haunts me because that was the move to be made and I believe Jerry reinsdorf would have compromised with that move. Keep Jerry Krause legitim- bring in another coach. That Michael Signs off on not Tim Floyd but as we all know Michael stuck by his guns inexplicably which is why can't wait for maybe episode. Ten of the last dance. I want to hear what Michael says about this. Because I wrote to conclude my column in May and June that year. I said the worst sports stars I could ever think is Michael Jordan. Gone at age thirty five and still still coaching at fifty three. And as we all know Phil went right on. It took one year. He went right onto the Lakers and wound up coaching. Shaq and Colby to three straight championships. And what did I always call fill? It everybody called him to Zen Master. I called him the spin master. I never trusted him. I never trusted his sort of spin. Golly holdover Michael Michael was very impressionable when it came to fill an that sill talked or almost duped Michael into retiring at a loyalty to fill when he did not need to sill. Didn't retire film went on one three more championships in a row. Shaq and Kobe three beaten. La So I believe that Michael also got taken for a ride by the spin master as I call him an Indian. It was the most confounding and actually the saddest story I've ever covered. Well let me start with your before. I make my escape. The reason why he didn't to Jerry Krause because Jerry Krause Jerry reinsdorf with two people that he can bully because you know why they had more power within organization then him. So you can bully. Steve Kerr and Scotty Rail and some of those others. Because they're player. You are the best player so you have. You're able to to reign over them with your tenure with your plate but you notice she can never bully J. Krav every player that he basically said he wanted skip Envisat documented. Jerry. Crowd went and got somebody totally opposite. If Jerry Reinsdorf it like I said Jerry. Krause took a lot of criticism took a lot of heat but Jerry. Krause who just the she'll this Jerry Reinsdorf because he could make all this a moot point he could have say Jerry. You'RE GONNA stand down on this. We're going to keep this thing rolling until the wheels fall off but when Jerry Krause Jerry Reinsdorf and say this is what I WANNA do okay. You see what happens to it happened again. Rest his soul with a volume polian in Washington. You see when people have more power than you. You can't bully them that's why he couldn't really J. Crowds. He could like you said he could have but he knew what the answer were. Jerry Krause made it abundantly clear. He can go eighty two in with all of his layout gave about thirty and he's still not coming back. And if Michael Retired Michael earned the right to do whatever he wants to do so they moved boy so he was like. I'm not wasting my time because there might be a time later in life. I'm GONNA need that energy. I won't need that breath that I wasted J. Across and Jerry Reinsdorf. That's why he didn't do it. Skipped you know why he didn't do it because he couldn't believe them he couldn't put them in a corner like hello. Well I thought winning so you are. You mean to tell me. He said winning. And if you don't WANNA wear get league move or don't do it there. Crowds able to have. Now we do here look at the end of the first repeat. He said that he would exhausted. He was tired of the media. Barrage the constant barrage of cosmic criticism. And it started to you know. They started to say well. What happened with your father was a direct correlation of what transpired with Michael in his personal life. I don't believe that but because of criticism scale you mean me tough if the most mentally tough guy in the history of sports couldn't handle media Chris wow imagine what he would have to go through in the social media age today. Imagine what Lebron James. Here's constantly there was no debate. Show there was no twenty. Four Hour News Cycle on fourth in ninety eight. Ninety seven with Michael was in his heyday in him. Prime can you imagine the criticism of some of the thing that was reporting going gambling of the day about? What would that be the night? Outdoor the David Bore playoff game. The constant golfing. Can you imagine the criticism? Imagine a guy player now skipping basketball be Lebron James Kevin Durant Steph. Curry would be covered casino before championship. Game or EPA championship game ream. He got the name he was caught. Everybody wrote about it. Everybody was everywhere and Lapointe the criticism. The Barat remember magic. Say of. Y'All keep being the guy you're going to write him away from the game. Imagine what Lebron has been going through since. He was seventeen because of criticism. I just saying skill. The thing was agree with you on this. You and I agree you and I agree that Jerry Reinsdorf Jared Crouch should've let this thing out let all the gay run out of the car. It's it if it runs religion outside role in the middle of the season. Oh she puts it out in the middle of either but I don't believe he should have broken it up. I believe he should've let somebody else break it up. Normally air positive normally empire just say you know what we're tired of lauding all this bath territory. You know what? Let's give it up normally some body from the outside convinced fixing over or within this case like the Roman empower if they'll with the INSKIP so when I look at agree believe Jerry Krause Jerry Reinsdorf to let it go but Michael Do? I believe Michael should've leaves boy going to Jerry. Krause Gone Jerry door but I believe like you said with got it. They've never taught my they'd never tour. Michael joins contract so the likelihood of them Scotty contract and extending him when they never did that. Michael was not going to happen. Remember in the ducks. Michael says got new. Jay Across that contract Redo his contract so Michael having been with Jay across basically sits at his first year. Nineteen eighty-five if I'm not mistaken. Step Barat Thorn. He Knew Jerry. Krause brought with him back with Jerry. Krause got something in his hand skill. That was it if there was no turning back but I thought of all this yes killed. J. Across maybe you don't like him but I saw Jerry Reinsdorf Jair given been bill portrayed very favourably in this documentary with you and I both know when you peel everything way. He was owners. How does the general manager have more control more in an organization then the owner Jerry? Reinsdorf just like he did in ninety eight when he brought peel back all that last day he said I'm bringing field back again or another land's Day fifty our core. Well I'm breaking could've been the last day of encore okay. That's the end of the single goes back. Then he come back out and give you a another set. Maybe five Kim fifteen minutes Jay rise could have demanded of JAE crowd. Bring Peel back on call. Encore and we'll see this thing plays out but what. I'm going to take most from documentary. Skip is that like I said I knew about the on court stuff but behind the scene the maniacal guy what he was willing to endure what he was willing to go through what he was willing to push his teammates to get to a level. That's what I'm most impressed with. Like I said being quarantined forced me to watch something other than you politics and so I've watched a lot of documentaries and so I knew Sam Cook could see just like you know Sam Cook and see but when you watch documentary you get an opportunity to see a different side of Sam. Cook that you like. I did not know exists. I did not know he had that type of relationship with Mohammed. Ali did not know that he was in Miami that fire escape and he and Jim Brown I think if I'm not mistaken Mohammed Ali within a room together. I didn't know that. So now you get an opportunity to see Michael Jordan off the court. Everybody saw him on the court specialty. You did you were covering day to day but you saw some of the things behind the scenes. I did not no. I did not see that behind the scenes so that was great for me. To see is the show over. I have never heard one person talk along on undisputed in the history show. Is You just talk a whole lot of nothing? Let's get back to the first three peat and you said Oh he burned out. He couldn't take the media he baloney voice. Me When I show you agreed. I think it's my turn to talk. Now you agreed that it had to do with gambling. It was some kind of a suspension slash avis that he took off to play baseball. You agreed the first after the first couple of episodes. Yup that's what was going on your system issues about it. I'm real suspicious about it to this day. It made no sense to me. He caused himself to championships right there. So we miss those two missed a season in about three fourths of the next season and was not ready to play. Orlando obviously in the playoffs and the conference finals. And now we fast forward to Jerry REINSDORF and I I gotTa tell you I resent you calling the goat a bully. He is not a bully. He was simply the greatest leader slash motivator in the history of sports. Now one player who played with them has called him a bully. Now one player has said publicly. I hate him. I couldn't stand him. They all thought there was method to them madness all of his ridicule. Whatever held that he made some pay. It was all to make their weakness a strength and they all contributed down the stretch. And I told you yesterday I showed you that roster it was to quote the Great Lebron James. Top heavy as bleep. It was Scotty Pippin. Nothing but a raw robin to Batman and then a Rodman who barely was able to stay in bounce. Thanks to the guidance of Michael Jeffrey Jordan and after that it was just a bunch of guys that he turned into winners. He toughened all of them up. And when you say Oh Jerry Reinsdorf is the one guy. He couldn't bully Baloney. He couldn't believe him he just didn't try to use his power to power play if he had gone to public. If he'd come to me and said I need you to print this print that I went to Jerry Reinsdorf and I said Jerry pick any coach who is experienced in the NBA. Not Tim Floyd I will stay for two more years and we'll win two more championships if he had said that. That's a power-play I don't think Jerry Reinsdorf have withstood. The media beating he would've taken under those conditions but Michael got thin. Golly he got Machiavelli and by by Phil Jackson Phil talked him into. We've gotTa do this together. We've to retire. We've got quit on them and quit together whole and seal clear linear and then he goes to La and coach Shaq and Colby. Oh no no no no. Don't don't worry about save peacoat. You like come back bring back best. Altima power play Kale Jerry Reinsdorf strange back and let us win to now you can't. We can't win win it. No P stores deal well. I just told you what happened. Still had turned on Krausz Krauss picked Phil and he earned on it. He duped into getting picked and getting elevated navy turned on him. Michael could not descend that Michael Body to spin master's spin so it was up to Michael. Step back and say you know what in the end krause fill? They're just to June bugs on my windshield in the final splattering on my windshield. I can go forward by myself. My team is not to hold Scotty. Went on played. Six MORE YEARS Steve. Kerr went on one two more rings. Ron Harper went on and won two. More rings with the Lakers. Every player on that team went on Dennis. Rodman went on an average ten rebounds for the Mavericks Min Fourteen. So the Lakers. They all still had plenty of gas in the tank to win two more championships. It should have been an straight championships in for Michael. Jordan would not have any leg to stand on with just like bullying. It was very selective in who he chose to believe. I read a story. I read a story yesterday about Human Robert Perish Robert Perez. I'll never with you because I have rings. Michael said I'll go kick your you know what she said. I took two steps toward him and say no. You're not Michael. I never had another problem with Michael. You see Michael has elected as Charles. Barkley said he had selected bullying who you knew who the bully and who who could and who he. Why didn't he go if he's what you said he? Why not go to J Ryan Door Matter? Powerplay go to Baylor skill. I won't do the right. Listen I want you to put it in big yellow lead? Gen Door if you bring bail back out comeback. He didn't do that because there is no nobody can bully. A billionaire allows you on their level. Michael Jordan was on their level. Now maybe now if he was a billionaire and you can transport him back he'd be thirty four and half the amount of money that has okay. We can have a different argument but at that time. Jerry Reinsdorf look at it like you still a player. I pay. He'll salary you're rich. Are Wealthy there the difference between the two? That's why he couldn't William feel you can make it all you want to heated world there. Pick a coach but that's what bullies do they let guys they'd be with week in they pick on you. He Knew Jerry. Krause had more power with their new organization than he did and Soda. Jerry Reinsdorf because he owned the team. So that's what he did with it. You can dress it up. You can dress up all your vote to share that you're and you said absolutely nothing but at the end of the day of this that's got Amazon. She'll saying absolutely nothing ever guy. The spin master happened. Everybody feel filled him still convinced him. Let's both take a year. Let's quit. Let's walk into the sunset together and Phil kept walking and walking and walked all the way to La. To coach Shaq and Kobe Go. Michael took three years off. A May the most mentally tool the guy that has the strongest mind in the history of sports gas spy HE GOT. Do let us strength. He got run a muck were different. Jordan. I'm confused now. How can a man that has the strongest man the most indomitable will in the history of team fourth? Maybe it's fourth bearden. How could he let a man do? He'll skip out now. You need you need Shantha lying. I'm won't turn it back over to you. You tell me how does may that have intestinal puerto too bad kind of my give? Do I need to hear from you right now? Because as opposed to Lebron James he actually looked up to and respected coaches head coaches. The blonde is always coached his own team. I'M GONNA quit saying I resent it because in the end. All you've got now is bully. Oh now I can dismiss him as a bully. It's the biggest crock you've ever tried to sell on this show before it's all you've got in the end it's over. Thank you last dance. It's the last dance for you. And Your Lebron is the goat argument. Which is the weakest argument in the history of sports but skip you magazine by tooth? Pain can't be true because the person is a great athlete. He must be a great person. He must be a great leader in every great attribute comes along with being a great athlete when you and I both know that's not true but you try to play that because you won't Michael Jordan to be this. This ideally figure this perfect. There's more with Michael. No clock. Yes you don't buy told you on the star. I told you before. The documentary started. It's going to come across that. He's mercilus ruthless heartless method to madness. Six Championships in six tries was six. Mvp's with a team. That was not that talented. That is basketball genius. That is goat as a two. The two little white guy who food bully the two guys. He couldn't move it. Broker for trending story of the day sponsored by Kiosk. Tough and ready lineup. All wheel drive. Suv's give it everything. Well the final episodes of Michael Jordan's documentary the last dance air this Sunday. I do not want this to and Shannon. What do you wanna see from both episodes nine and ten? Oh come on. What do you WANNA see baby? Bonus track about the watching today. Wash right I mean he daybreak now. If I'm not mistaken skit was he on the Roster. Ninety four so. I'm trying to figure out how does anything from Nineteen Ninety four season. How does that make the last dance only Jamaica Scottie? Pippen look bad because he wouldn't go in and take the take a pass the ball into Tony Cuco take. Toni Kukoc to take the last shot. How did that make the last day of what they gotta do might might leave it there within Birmingham but somehow that made that made it so I just want to see some of the don't bonus bonus track like your Washington easy because they were very happy to go see to see him play? No give I think in all honesty all seriously. All jokes aside. I don't really know what I'm looking for scale. I WANNA know how he's obviously. The last shot is going to be in there. But I just WANNA know so we we've seen the maturation of my and we. We've seen the behind the scenes of of how guys guys motivated scale seeing. Would just it would just motivation. It's motivation e could be construed as bullying all that aside. I don't really know where it's going to go now scale. I really don't other than the last shot. Which that's your favorite moment in sports history. 'cause you purchase. You purchased that photo to see Michael Jordan. Hold that poll. You probably got him. Decided you bet you did? I bet you got him. Decided you thank you but now you're gonNA give us now so I I really don't. I really honestly all honesty skill. I do not have any idea what these last two episodes is going to encapsulate. Because you got to our and basically the shot so I don't know where we're going from here okay to your first point semi serious. Yes he did come back after three years lost the last three years of his prime age. Thirty five thirty six and thirty seven. He did not play basketball. Why I don't know that's where I'd like to hear but he did come back. This is the last dance. This is about the nineteen ninety eight season the final one in Chicago but four years later he came back at age thirty eight and thirty nine to Washington. He played okay. He wasn't in the best shape. He did smoke too many cigars. At that point he averaged twenty three and six the first year and twenty six the second year. It wasn't pathetic but it wasn't pretty but the point is he had he through he has moments here and there but whatever this is about ninety eight this is about how it ended and why it ended and again. I was there in ninety eight as the columnist Chicago Tribune in what was often perplexing to me was. Michael spoke a lot to the media without really speaking. He was the master of and he could say a whole lot without saying much of anything. Unless you really backed into a corner with a pointed question as I did about Michael Phil keeps saying that. It's a done deal. You're just GONNA quit if when he has to walk out the back door and Michael said that's fills opinion. That's when I had some hope okay. Maybe Michael isn't going to just go with. Fill out the back door but the point is he's rarely spoken his heart on. What really happened so Shannon. I'm hoping that we get to see that guy who's now kicked back in that easy chair in these interviews guys and he's got a little little something in his glass and they keep filling it. You're and I want him to so to speak. Let his hair down. I know he doesn't have a whole lot of air left but whatever there let it down. Let us see what's inside you. Let us here on the basketball court. What happened in the? What's called the flu game? The Classic Flu Game at Utah and the ninety seven finals led us here. What was in your heart soul? Mind against the Pacers it Shannon. I was there a covered all seven of those games in the conference finals and ninety eight it was a hell aleisha contest between a team coached by. Larry Bird who was the coach of the year in the NBA that year and the Star was you know Reggie Miller but it was deep in talent and firepower rick. Smits the to Davis's Obviously Chris Mullin Jalen Rose Travis Best Mark Jackson. It was a loaded basketball team there. 'cause Michael and company a whole lot of problems. The home team won all seven games of that series including the Bulls winning game. Seven eighty eight eighty three at home. It was not down drag out. Reggie says that the Pacers we see the previews for what's coming up episode. Nine Reggie says that the Pacers just better than the Bulls. He might have been right about that. Except for that. One guy on the Bulls and then we come to the last shot game at Utah. And I've told you Scotty was sick before the game. And then he wrenched his back on early wide open dunk and he was virtually useless. The rest of the game scored eight points in that game. Michael scored forty five while the whole rest of the team scored forty two. So what's going on in his head during that game because they were pretty sure they wouldn't have Scotty for a potential game seven Utah so it is Michael. Say and it's do or die now. I have to make this shot on Brian. Russell I gotta go steal the ball source. Recall them alone. I got to close the deal now because we might not be able to close it in game seven. I want to hear that and finally as we talked about to start the show. Shannon I to hear does he have any regrets for not going to Jerry REINSDORF and saying. Hey let's make a deal. Let's compromise here. I'll stay. I Know Phil and Jerry or do not add vitamin anymore. The bridges burned. I get it. They can't co exist anymore. So give me a made man give me Doug Collins. Back is my my coach next year. Don't give me Tim Floyd Jerry. Krause had fallen in love with Tim. Floyd he's a nice guy. Got To know tim very well the next year but Tim was a rising college basketball coach. Done really well at New Orleans and then at Iowa state they'd go into three straight. Nc double as he was a fine young coach who then was a disaster. The next three years without Michael and got fired in the fourth year so the point was if Michael said give me somebody with some NBA experience. Who I could respect. I'll come back for two more years. Well I want to know Michael. Talk about that in episode ten on Sunday night. I WANNA know I wanna Eric from the goats mapped what happened. Why did it happen? Yeah you're right skip. That would be interesting if he will roof leg back and say you know what one of my biggest regrets is that I did not go talk to Jay arrived or and I did not get him. Try to change my own brain and bringing back still. Look we look. It's hard for me to believe Jerry Reinsdorf in Phil Jackson. They don't have to communicate. They're not communicating about game plans. Y'All one corner of now than the other and so we don't have to just eight you you get the players. Do what contract all that stuff. Let Bill work with the team. You guys stay out of each other hair. So that's the way it's going to be so yeah it'd be interesting if he's going to be that reflective but Michael is the God this. I have any regrets about anything that I've done in. My career is basketball wise so that was the thing that would be something that I would like to hear. Does he likes me. What could have been like? I said I believe Jerry Reinsdorf. Schumer allow someone outside of the organization. Crumlin within two-tier this thing down if the PEYSER OR SOMEBODY UTAH. Whomever becomes Tonioli. If somebody be I got no problem with that but Dole to Bethany. Now that's going to be the forgot about the blue game. Yeah and also remember this. I think it was like episode. One Jerry Reinsdorf on camera for the documentary saying Jerry. Krause told me that in ninety eight the team had gotten too old. So crowd said convinced. Reinsdorf who also owned the White Sox and didn't have that much rocus on the Bulls. He just Jerry. Krause run that basketball operation but the point is Jerry Krause Convinced Jerry Reinsdorf. Did the team was too old so Jerry. Krause could start it over inch showed that he could win without Michael Jordan Baloney Shannon. Look at the ages of the players. It was not too old Scotty was thirty. Two Rodman was thirty six but he was a below the rim rebounder. He's still had basketball player in him. Ron Harper winter. Two Middle Rings as a starter for the Lakers. And then we go all the way down the roster. Toni Kukoc Twenty nine. He's six man of the year. That team could come back for two more years. I believe it would have been favored to win the next two championships. I believe it would have. Who knows if it would? I don't know would. They have gotten hurt. Would they have broken down? Would Michael of run out of psychological gas? Maybe but really believe that team was physician to win two more championships or leave. Get to the fight of you like them. You like them over San Antonio David and David got it. Yeah I forgot about the Blue Game I think the thing is we looked. Might he has such iconic moment. You know he had the blue game. He had the last shot in ninety eight. He had the acrobatic layup in his first NBA Finals against so he has moguls. Bet You will never ever forget because you'll remember where you were because you remember Scotty to court. And he's sitting down down he applauds downs. Give you remember that you remember him? Only this you remember him having the ball. Tanya data Baldur's right hand all of a sudden. He's nine do that. I will do so you remember that. It's just that the moment are so iconic that you will never forget. You know even though he he was great autumn here he had some mood that skill he started wants out of the bath getting three people around him in somehow he lays the ball gets fouled. He has moment but if moments in those games that you will never ever forget it. Sounds like you're making the case. He was the goat and isn't the goat skill. There you go why why you do. I'd I'd get a credit. I got out of bed. Probably a hundred grand own Jordan Shoe. And you've got people here convinced that. Why did he pay me all the money back so I could really hate the money back but he joins I got. I need you guys to do the same for you guys. Let's get back to talking some football because pro football focus release. They're all decade team. Top one hundred and one players topping the list was Tom Brady followed by Aaron. Donald and drew brees to out the top three. The next quarterback on the list was Shannon's guy. Aaron Rodgers down at number six Shannon. Got a problem with this do great. Yeah I got a big problem. Big Problem I don't see I'll scenario with your region be ranked to add a Roger. Skip if you look at it. Air Rogers had the super bowl super bowl. Mvp and two regular season the MVP in this decade drew. Brees DOES NOT SKIP playoffs. Drew brees four and six Aaron Rodgers. This and seven drew. Brees has twenty one touchdowns ten inception. Aaron Rodgers their thirty six and eleven. And if you look at the The championship game but lost two thousand nineteen they gave up thirty seven point to the forty niners. Two Thousand Sixteen. Forty four to the Falcons and we know what happened in overtime against the adult appeal onside kick so if I just look at it and understand that drew brees has the numbers. But he's throwing the ball over a thousand more time than Aaron Rodgers in this decade and the seven to nine a pro bowl appearance. Aaron Rodgers missed a half a season but if you look at what they accomplish Rogers had six division titles res at four you look at the Super Bowl appears you look at NFC. Championship game appearances. Best four to one in Roger Favor so I'm surprised. That drew brees is so much higher than Aaron Rodgers. Another one that I thought it was like it. But then when you look at still. Jj Watt I think what happened. Jj's Jeff is that he started off like gangbusters but you look at over the last three or four years. He's been nick. He's missed a substantial amount of time and I think Erin dollars passed him so I was a little surprised. Would I've been disappointed? Jj Watt would have been a little higher. No but I understand what they took into account because the last three years three or four years. He's missed a lot of time with Andrew but the biggest problem that I have is with Aaron Rodgers. Being way below drew brees. Wait a SEC. Reading in our living room here to rule. Tom Brady is number one on this list. European Air Rogers is sixth. You have repeatedly told me the greatest thrower of the football. The greatest ever is Aaron bleeding. Rogers you have told me. He is transcendent that he is considering. He has been better than Tom Brady. So why didn't you go right to the top of the list and say Aaron Rodgers should not just be above drew brees? He should be above Tom. Brady you did not say that because I don't think you really believe that. Still skip in this decade. Brady has been the five super bowls. He's one free his number speak for itself. I'm not thinking big won. The division every single year skilled. Tom Brady deserve to be the quarterback in this decade. That I've made my point. The problem that I have is drew brees it. Three in Aaron Rodgers is six. I believe that should be reversed. I stand by then you try to bring them but we're not talking about Brady. See you always get along with. Is You do deflect America Shannon. Sharpe just admitted that Tom Brady is better than Aaron Rodgers. It's over. He is lost the basketball argument and the football goat argument in the same week. It's over for Lebron James. It's over for Aaron bleeping Rogers if I might. I read just a couple of lines from the capsule on pro football focus on Tom Brady ranked number one. He has a single season grade pro. Football has ever given a quarterback that was back in twenty sixteen. That's not that long ago. He has the greatest four year. Stretch pro football focus ever-graded that was from. Twenty fifteen to twenty eight eighteen. That's not that long ago and pro. Football Focus says. Tom Brady defines clutch. I've been trying to tell you that. For four years in the fourth quarter and overtime he's still has the highest pro football focus grade of the decade and beyond that as great as he's been in the clutch he's been doing it without making many mistakes. That's what truly makes him. Special says pro football focus. I know the stats can be hard to swallow to to sort of. Let it compute but think about this. Tom Brady and the decade had by grade. Only one hundred and twenty four order called turnover word the plays. That's out of six thousand one hundred fifty one. That's two percent of his plays in the decade. Were turn by pro football focus turnover worthy. That's outrageously low. That's by far the best. That's why he is the unquestioned goat of the National Football League which brings me to Sivvy's th-ranked Aaron Rodgers. It makes the Point Shannon. And I'll you this late. Twenty ten and all of two thousand eleven. Aaron Rodgers was sensational. He made a case for about a year and a half that he was the goat but that was a long time ago. And that was the end of Air Rogers as you knew and loved him and pro-football concludes in its capsule on Aaron Rodgers. What holds him back from the very top of this list is that he just couldn't sustain that level and over the past few seasons has sunk deeper and deeper into a Rut of some bad habits. That's pro football. Because that's not me so they are. Validating what I've told you he's been in decline over the last three seasons. Lots of bad debts. They Greg my man and lower on pro football focus. Will you better ask something smart? Because I think you're in trouble though number enjoyable. I'm glad at pro football focus. Put this out. But they just didn't start playing quarterback in two thousand fifteen through twenty eighteen. So it'd be interesting to see if they degrade some Peyton manning years some of Dan Marino years and so. We could see if those are comparable to Tom Brady sees they. Did you know in a in a decade? Who TURN THE BALL OVER TOM? Brady or Aaron Rodgers is a simple question yes L. exception. Who add more intersection? Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers central question. It wasn't a statement. I got a simple answer. They have a chart on folks. You can look it up over the decade. Tom Brady had by far. The fewest turnover. Worthy plays Aaron Rodgers. To your point was second on that list but by far the RAHM BRADY. None Elena tournament a workplace. I'm talking about turn over talking about smelling donor until my eating donut. Now where did you got a doughnut? Not Smell doughnuts. Get Win Guy. Turn it over the most. Sometimes you throw one to the other team in the other team interception. That happened. Not Kidding. Yeah I was wondering what Bayfield did you know what I wanted to make a fake last night with a baked potato and Yada Yada we. Why did you feel better? You keep telling me you to the guy. He's drops it. Did he have more interceptions than Aaron? Rodgers a simple no or simple yard. Ginny cannot treat a witness as a hostile witness. The question Tom Brady had the fewest turnover. Worthy plays sad crow football focus. This is their list and they ranked Aaron Rodgers sixth because fell off after twenty ten slash. Eleven case closed end of argument game over. If I'm not mistaken so fell off so much that he won the MVP in two thousand fourteen years later in this decade billups. Twenty two twenty eleven yet. He won the MVP twenty fourteen. So how motivated. Well A lot. The last three years in fact it fell off so much. They decided to penalize him all the way down to six on the list and they admitted what holds them back from being at the top of the list is he just couldn't sustain Shannon. You're clinging to the past you're holding onto what used to be and screaming before your very eyes is the fact that Aaron Rodgers has not been very good over the last three years and even last year he was eighteenth. Qbr In twenty thirty and completion percentage that will sly. That's not going to make you number one in the decade. Still but if you look at it like that that's like saying you saying bolt fill up okay because he doesn't run nine five eight any one Olympic Matt Eight. Oh what he fell off. He's not saying well no. He's not he's still waiting scam. You I mean you compared to that when you compare it to those historically great see them you the likelihood of somebody going forty forty five and six skill. Komo now. What does the case? Tom Brady pillow. 'cause he's never had another season in which you went pithier eight so he fell out if you hold if you hold petro home to that mythical five thousand fifty thousand thirteen in session you judge him by. Bet You're gonNA say he fell off you. Judge paid about fifty five in ten. He doesn't have fifty four hundred yards. Yeah he fell off skip Komo. He's still had better numbers last year than Tom Brady. And He fell off in. Tom Brady still play that clip. I can't understand that I just don't know how a guy has more touchdown you're innocent. A completion percentage a better. Qbr Better Yard. He fell off but the guy that he had better numbers than feel falling on. I'm confused say so I ask you one last simple question cars. Simple yes or simple. No should Aaron Rodgers ranked above. Tom Brady at number one on this list. Shannon Sharpe simple yes or no due to my attorney had informed me. I have the right to the protection so I use my writing. Yup Game is siding with Lebron and the goat debate perk tweeted a side by side comparison of Lebron having averaged more points rebounds assists and a higher shooting percentage in his last three finals losses and Jordan had in his last three finals win so Shannon. Does this prove lover on the go? Apart as they poured go the great job of highlighting. Kind what I try to do. But I think the thing of Ginny People Again. And they chose them aside and they're not moving outside of these big compelling a compelling numbers when you look at he's averaging and bring more point three and a half points five rebounds five more shoot a higher percentage and he's losing these Games but I forget the being of looking at the other day the twenty fifteen sixteen and seventeen are ranked the highest opponents. That either Michael or Lebron could possibly play Bible the talk seven that were. They graded the teams believe. Michael Play in the team. That Lebron play Lebron had five hundred seven. Now Mind you the twenty eighteen. The second year the Kevin Durant there they did he make now we know what Kevin Durant represents bad team did not even make it. Let me just a second so in other words. Lebron James in Finals Competition has faced chopper up on his bed. One Michael Jordan. He loved all these dasm bags that he loved the point out. I'm just pointing out stats and facts. What what these articles that. Lebron James Competition in final have been upper than magic of Michael Jordan in finals. I mean I don't really know what you've been asking me to do. A man averages thirty five basically Levin and tens and he's Ludovic. I don't really know what else what you're going to ask a man to do. I really don't the article in question was on the website. Five thirty eight. That's what you read. That analysis. Correct the overall premise was Michael. Jordan's playoff opponents were tougher than Lebron playoff opponents. That's because in Michael's Day. The east was the beast and Lebron's the east was the least so he had just easy pass. He had superhighways to the finals. I will give you that. Golden State was the toughest finals opponent. Either Lebron or Michael Ever had to contend with I give you that but remember spurs remember. Lebron had his biggest meltdown against the Dallas Mavericks who were ranked by five thirty eight. The easiest finals opponent. Either Lebron or Michael. Ever play the twenty eleven mavericks grown easiest finals and the chosen one became the frozen one in that series. Michael never melted down in any series of any round of the playoffs. So let's go back to Kendricks idea. His his panel that he put on his twitter. It's so misleading because it's a bunch of Phony Baloney here's what's not included in those numbers and Kendrick. It was a nice try but you've failed again to make Lebron the goat he's the Sony. Goat W- rated PG and here's why in the Final Bulls three peat. They played Seattle. Utah AND UTAH. The games were played much more physically thin and the scores were far lower in the Lebron golden state scores so there are far more points to be scored against Golden State. Because it's more run and GUN AGAINST SEATTLE IN UTAH. Here are the the average scores of those finals against Utah. It was ninety. Three to eighty nine was the average score. The first Utah Series the files. The files that average was eighty eight eighty seven then in these three peat finals against Utah. The average was eighty eight to eighty so all. The scores are down in the eighties. But guess what so the average score of those three peat finals for Michael? The second three peat was ninety two eighty six. He's scored thirty five percent of the ninety points. Now you look at Lebron against Golden State. The average score of all three of those finals was one twelve to one. Oh three many more points scored by both sides. Lebron scored thirty four percent of those points. So Michael Thirty five percent of his three points and they won a Lebron thirty four percent of more points scored and they lost two. They lost in six Damian five and then in soar they got swept rescue. But this is why you never make that. Now we're Tom Brady that. They don't attack the quarterback the wide receivers have more freedom. They roll the ball more. No no no I just WanNa know because every all you do is talk about with the pace. The style of Pave Lebron getting more shots so this is why his numbers. But you let them do that for Brady you say. They don't attack the quarterback like they did in the seventies eighties nineties. You Donald say they cut and grab the receivers that the receiver. They're the defenders receiver. And they call you. Don't make that argument. All you do is highlight. What Tom Brady is doing? But every time I give you number about Lebron you try to highlight. Why he's doing it. You won't just give him credit. Save man this Guy Great. He played unbelievable. You always try to find a caveat you try to find reasons to why again our audience is hip to Shannon Sharpe. They get it. When he's losing an argument he always has to change the subject so all of a sudden you own the run with some cold hard facts and you say what about Tom Brady. This isn't about Tom. Brady this is about Kendrick Perkins trying to make a weak case. A lame chase. That Lebron is better than Michael. Because there's some bogus stats misleading analyze. So I would have made sure eucharistic so in other words. Lebron James is really not scoring thirty five points right so thirty five or is it. Not Thirty five that twelve assists or not if it ten rebounds or just need to know if that yes okay look. I gave you that. Scores higher he scoring more points. I also gave you this if you remember. I've said this many times on disputed in twenty fifteen the greatest three Games Lebron ever played this playoff lights games. One two and three of the twenty-fifth the first files against Golden State before they had Kevin Durant Lebron had lost Kevin love before the final started. He Lost Kyrie in overtime of game. One and what did he do? He put that on his back and carried them to a two games to one lead with game sore in his house. In Cleveland. If you win that game I'm going to be backed into a corner because you're going to be on your way to the greatest seat of your career you by yourself are on the way to beating. Golden State with Steph and clay and Draymond Iggy for that matter and what happened in Game Four. Lebron spit the MIT or swallowed the bid. He came up smaller and his own house. He Shot Seven for twenty two that game. He went five of ten from the free throw line any disappeared and everybody told me back on. I take just ran out of gas is the fittest athlete in Sports. That's all I ever hear doors for. He was running out of gas after last. Repeat that you say to Michael. Say they're a one method? Michael say one way to Baz why he took time off. He was running again. That's what he's saying. I didn't call him that so now he ran out of gas chain took all year to have Paul of them. Yes or no did it have put in. I want you to know that I'm not saying that. Seattle or Utah in the last three. Pete we're golden state but they were really good basketball teams because Seattle that year had the second best record to the Bulls in ninety six when the Bulls were sensational. They went seventy two and ten and Seattle was with one sixty four games. We're second best in. I best obviously in the West and then Utah was the second best record in ninety seven and then Utah tied the Bulls Ninety eight for the first best record. So don't tell me. They weren't quality opponents. There was nothing underdog about either of those teams. They were really tough minded very good. Well coached basketball teams skill. If you don't mind me asking the blazers how many hall of Famers did it have the blazers? How many did they have on Seattle? And how many DID THEY HAVE ON UTAH? You'll mind me asking Clyde Drexler. One Seattle Gary One Utah to stock into below. Okay let's go to the Spurs. They got bored. I have four. Tony Parker Manu Ginobili. Tell Donkey wild litter. That's rice then a lot as well right. You always tell me that Tony Parker and monitor completely overrated there Broccoli and they don't blow all saying that she told me scared talks to property to skip. Stop their first of all. You know part of go into the hall of fame because he would finals. Mvp marlins going into the hall of fame because those rings and if and his international play he led Argentina to the gold medal. You know he's going Kuwa- delivered to time. Different the player of the year to be tim donkey with right in in the top of the head of shack. Coby so stop. Stop it right now. They got four hall of fame.

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Draft Day - Unanimous Decision #178

"Welcome back the unanimous decision. Podcasts I your host e Palm. Follow me on twitter at depot six. Polish on twitter at Ud bod follow the entire MTR network at at the network. You found this. Don't you dare? Who's subscribe on? I tunes subscribe on spotify. His every podcast for absolutely free. Good to be back in back driver's seat regular show get our follow up on the last dance episode dropping Morrow that will get some of my really good friends who is To say a disciple of Phil Jackson is an understatement in and of itself. But today we're here we're talking about everything happens sports including the draft this week. And we've got with us this time actually being recorded while we do this the extra mate the X. podcast fellows the good friend. Chad Floyd what Upjohn man not too much just ran out of beer at some point last night so got whether it's truly waters. Leftover my fridge in mixed with some vodka. And here we are. I've had A. I've had one seltzer. I was up in New York for football thing this past fall I was drinking beer and I grabbed seltzer for my friends are on our friends wives or something and it tastes like angry water like slightly perturb water. I'm not a fan. I would say it tastes like a two liter of seven up that you opened about ten days ago but with alcohol. So Hey yeah I'd take a twenty four pack of Budweiser. Because I'm still me and I'll be fair the next Twenty four hours ish. We'll see we'll see along that stretch. How's Everything Look Your House Kobe nineteen really kinda affected you in in the housing gaming. It's I've watched the evolution Akkad. Everyone's Kinda doing digital showings in digital house affected It's not really I mean. I think I've made this joke last time but really everything I'm doing is the exact same just without anything to look forward to at the end of the day. I met Mecklenburg County's a little bit more restricted than anywhere else in the state but at the end of the day. We Are Not Georgia under the great leadership. Brian Kemp so I got that going for me. I was on the ground. I was Sandy. Check this week. In one of the segments he added was. Oh Georgia because we keep embarrassing ourselves on national stage. I'm on the ground. It's interesting like you know me. A lot of friends who are insertion she who owned bars and restaurants there like to a man being like this is a bad idea but once you deem that you can't open they then Unin. Any unemployment filed has now has the reason behind it back to the editors at in so it's a weighty people off the unemployment rolls because quite frankly we're going around the money about twenty six weeks have million claims in the last month. So yeah it's all about It's naked in it's horrifying and Apollo household staying in Fort Kick Ass. Whichever named got on my house there chopped archer fans who listens by cats. So yeah that's what's happening here. We just count laying low in trying to stay safe in like you said. Our business is kind of weird. Because I've got a cell phone a laptop so I can do my job but it's tough other people who can't and it's tough for people are being forced back into unsafe conditions. Just trying to get yourself wash your hands or mass and Yeah just try to be a little more empathetic these guys. That's not what we're going to nail the podcast because by guy. Wouldn't that be a boring show? I have over here taking empathy taking the NCAA. Silence certain things but no. We've rich Chad the in sports. Not just because the drafted Massive ratings this year but also because nearly half the scheduled sports of Twenty have been cancelled her viruses impacts fifty three percent of the major sports originally scheduled for twenty twenty are likely to take place in this county year including some of the rescheduled golf events for the end of the year. Chad have you accepted that? We probably will have cultural? I have accepted it. And I'm just geared towards possibly having a shortened spring season. But when you get to that point. I don't really know how you do that for the players. I. I'm really at a point and I saw the news break last night that the NBA would allow players to start practicing video. Second wave started real fast. Yeah Yeah and by my whole thought process since last time we talked I think. Mlb's done. I think college sports are done because you can't really have college sports if you're not having students on campus can't be open can't have sports so at this point. I think the only sports were getting are the NFL and the NFL because the NFL just said you know they will push for through anything. They can care the least about their athletes. And I'm sure we could up potentially touch on that layer but now I mean it. It just sucks you know because I was very concerned were dying. It's horrible however on top of that. This sucks yeah. It sucks because to this extent. It's all been preventable. But if you take choose your own adventure novel and you start at page fifty nine and say hey if you follow the demand of the new the big scary cave turn to page one seventy three and then we follow the demon into the Cave about twenty times. That's where the hell we are now. Is We keep on making the exact wrong choice and we're going to get back into it but now like even just like I mean I. I would have been more than happy to go to a spring game yesterday or go to like a Charlotte Knights Baseball game. Today in the draft was great just to remind me that they existed. But I'm just kind of concerned that people find new things to do and move on on. That's the new things to do. Some things that are going says anymore. Artists called are going to fold some colleges according to what my dad is a graduate of university the Panthers and I'll terrified. School may not exist next fall because ninety fall twitching from these schools. Are Those sports for a second year? It's twenty nineteen global. Sports Industry generated. One hundred twenty nine billion dollars in revenue. They're hurting. It has been a growth interface. January four point nine percent that means that they are projected to make a lot of money this year this year that will generate only seventy three point seven billion sixty one point six billion less than the projected revenue before. So we're gonNA see things that we NASCAR could be got very real possibility. Because you're depending on on live gates independent sponsorships and corporation starting to tighten that belt. What goes first big corporate sponsorships. Yeah and then I mean. We're talking to the Olympics here. I mean the Olympic Games are being played. No one can hoax anymore. They moved the Olympics weld. It was never a hoax and nobody ever said it was a hoax according to twitter this morning but I think this place chat. Thanks so much man. This is way off topic but about three weeks ago I was on the phone with my mom is like so I'm expatriating. If he gets reelected just straight up it she says Oh. Yeah where are you going? I don't know doesn't matter not you can't you can't stay a yeah that's a yes speaking my truth but some of them speaking truth is everyone else who around the world who tuned in to the last dance. It was the most watched a documentary ever. Espn history six point. One million viewers averaged a million three point five win the targeted eighteen to forty nine. Demographic the most watched telecast ESPN since the college football game. Chad you and I live in a demographic we are Jordan kids. What did you think of week one man like as soon as you started? The transition of big old smile came across my face. Because I've never only as of this moment six hours away from episode three dude it it was. I mean well first of all you know like you said we grew up in it so you remember things that you kind of forgotten or in my case. I was nine ten years old. I was like yeah. I kind of remember Scottie. Pippen having a beef with the bowls but just the detail in it all the people they got back in my dude Roy Williams just absolutely crushing it in every appearance. Oh my God I mean it you know I. It took twenty years for it to come out or and I can see why now and my my favorite thing about it still is just watching. Jordan's Bourbon glass ware. Is it from scene to scene from discussion discussion? Okay so you're mine. It's definitely bird. It's not Scott. Gotcha MEL no. But but if but if he was a Scotch Guy That would be an unacceptable amount of ice for it. It's a great point. That's a great point of course pervert better known or both in the same alcoholic pages there one of the big stories of the night one of the last dance for those of us who are. Chat Mitch and we were. I was not. I was aware I was locked in. I didn't know the details. And the watch these guys dunk on a very dead Jerry Krause. Now let's look it up because I was like oh is he died between the recording. No he died before they started recording. This everything they say. Documentary is about a man who had recently passed know that it's being typically through that leads. It's amazing to me sometimes but even when I was GONNA say we're in box step because straight up got on my phone and said his Jay across still. I was waiting. I was waiting for episode. Sixty come across in Jerry. Krause is just like you guys big like dump face just right in the front screen dead at the opening credits is like okay now. We're going story. It's wild. They really after him but apparently more documentaries like again to be fair to crops. You don't build a team here so it's but it's very interesting to see can help broken out and it was They talked about Jerry like that. But for me it was it was. It was a great thing. Tim Floyd came up with. Sweet you address. I guess his partner this because we haven't watched percival weird nothing else to do second of all. Tim is a coach. Iowa state who had been covered by Jerry Krause to come in and replace Philip Jackson too so as far as that when cross his stepdaughter got married that summer. Going into the last dance. He invited all the front office staff excluding Phil Jackson. But including Tim Floyd employed. Of course of course now is to say things like I told Jerry that day. You GotTa let this die natural death because you don't want to break this up. They earn right which at the same time like maybe he said that would also maybe mid major coach. Who's being groomed to take over the fucking balls man so good. The only good thing about Tim Voids coaching careers. His last name from So I guess I on twitter last week Me and Michael Jordan. Come from the same area code. That's where the similarities come to a screeching in sudden halt Undergrad. I guess you'd say they wanted him. He wanted them. It's different but the same Wasn't even funnier is watching how current NBA been reacting to this like win out for not being able to cover Jordan like no one else. Could I saw the mavericks players? Come on to my guys fans your coach cover Michael Jordan. You should rent sprints because of that like I'm sorry but what did it was Trayvon on. Green. Who's my favorite person to do. Because guided them. That's GonNa destroy something. He wants to Percy parcell last-ditch instead of the parallels between the end of that run into the road with Kevin Durant said that. Ironically our season was the twenty year anniversary that season. We very important piece of our season. Who was a piece of that? Season Steve Kerr. And it's coming whether it's coming from the media get these questions for the media artists as a team. We've talked about that. He's a little different from the standpoint where contracts but was on players it wasn't an organization so essentially saying yes. This happened to us to but that was all as a cabinet. So for instance Kevin when you're dealing on his own tonight kind of elephant in the room like I can't believe Drake Mon is not only making this about him. You're the reason Kevin. Durant Gardner does He. And we're cool yeah out. They drew my remembers that concern some faster. These castle in so nuts man. Yeah but I wanNA Talk Gin Katie strays. I don't tell you you can't have is open the room because what happened is GonNa be stuck with the media every day. Look at these are drawn to me is always Like basically the main character in American sniper but using a Using just a regular twelve gauge shotgun. You'll know who the fuck that thing's GonNa hit. But sometimes it's Charles. Barkley sometimes escapee. Sometimes it's Jordan. I mean who knows man? There's a new book from Ethan Strauss coming out. I figure only the title victory machine. The experts that have leaked about Kevin Durant are scheming and so we read on the little time he gets out. Apparently I'm a good. I'M GONNA to get his podcast and read it before. Gordon knock about this. Let's say the book preview is the first twenty out of one hundred and eighty five pages if it's only one hundred and eighty pages. I'm right there with you. I'M NOT GONNA help exciting because I read the stop. The Kevin Exerts Bra there. So Tell Yeah. I'm excited about that. Sports are gone for two dead for overseeing small things. I've been talking about the challenge. I can't get a challenge. Podcast started because I just can't I can't be on record. Talk saying things that I want to say about the challenge but another thing that's worth that have happened. That matters more than the challenge but for McGraw sat down and women's basketball coach. Notre Dame She's setting was a season ago. She said that she would only hire female staffer. Going forward is important for women to see women leadership thirty three years at Notre Dame. A wonderful coach. She'll be replaced by former player. Neil Ivy spent seventeen seasons. Every day was a player coach before being a assistant coach for the Grizzle. This past season. There aren't that many names left in women's basketball. That really bring you back to the Gino Pets Manera above McGrath. One of one hundred percent. Yeah won the titles in two thousand one in two thousand eighteen. I'm I'm not a huge follower women's basketball admittedly but since Notre Dame joined the ACC in all sports football is another conversation for another day No slouch I I I have. I have gotten to kind of follow her a little bit more closely and I mean she's just a fascinating woman just kind of like. You said a throwback in that Pat Summitt mode where you know just seems absolutely delightful to be around five one five division one binge orlands coaches with at least nine hundred thirty wins nine four multiple titles the others are pats on a Tara Vanderveer January in Checchi. Yeah man you're right this is this is. This was the team that at Uconn won a tight t to an extent. You know Yukons Aura has really been kind of lifted and she was a major role in that. After a you know I mean it was Tennessee and Uconn than it was just Yukon and everybody else playing for second and between Notre Dame and Baylor. I mean those are kind of the two schools that pop into my head is teams that in the Second Stanford South Carolina. Yeah Yeah Great. Great example So we'RE GONNA go back in a chance more more your wheelhouse here baseball a boy so we was baseball when bat and as you quickly now. Mlb suspended the red SOx replay operator TICKLY TRAFFIC INTO SPENDING ALEX. Cora for year conduct the Astros Chat. Zero players are getting punished for this shit. So there's a couple of things at play here one. Cva IS UP. After the twenty twenty one season and I think rob Manfred who has taken over the mantle quite quickly as the most incompetent mission reports basically decided with he said the president with the. Astros thing where you know. The general consumer can see and hear when they when they were cheating You know there's a fan who started a website to highlight every instance of the asteroids begging on trash cans when the astros basically got a slap on the wrist. You knew the red sox thing was going to be just laughable and here's the funniest thing about may palmer. The Red Sox guy that was kind of at the center of this. His jobs were twofold one to give scouting reports on teams signs. Going into games and then to to watch the games for changes to their signs is his job not to give them the updated signs otherwise. He's just contradicting his own report into sitting on his hand knowing nothing about it and if the Red Sox have people in that dual role in other teams. Do you know Manfred said well. I'm not opening Pandora's box here. Lose a second round. Pick five round draft rounded by strings. If on a string that whole sweater can fall apart on any of these strength? The only solution poll note. Straits. Yeah and then you know not to get to a T. Elian about but meanwhile a you know the braves general manager basically paid a few too many sixteen year old international prospects and he's been from the game from wife. So and that was that was easier guy the news to punish every player on. T. I'm hearing out of was truncated Boston or actually it was a thing that was the game. This is how we as a crew. But that's that's how the Games in play for one hundred and twenty years so I mean either take away the video rooms or punish it with some teeth so getting caught. You get your punished. Yeah being the W. got caught and should be made an example of doing their dance and look the other way where they want to but when you so egregiously if these two idiots in whatever cooks when they're playing overseas you're Boston New York been just being like we know what they're doing different got ourselves like wait. Wait wait what if an open secret in. You are so badly that you get caught. You deserve the book thrown at you and What's the gentleman's name his name? Rick you'll never remember it again. Jt Watkins who sounds like a mid early two thousands rapper from MB was of Florida. He yes over that with lip biscuit. Well he's he's now been suspended from the twenty twenty postseason. I loved her all pretending. Schwarzer GonNA happen this fall. This is all very cute. I like that. Manfred had to come out and clarify that the time served by Aj hinch and the Astros GM whose name escapes me L- now he said their time would be considered served whether or not. There's a twenty twenty season so really. I mean you're taking the toothlessness and making it starting pitcher five games like you get one cert. Yeah I love it and we're we're just glossing over the fact too. That Manfred is currently pushing legislation to eliminate one hundred and twenty minor league teams throughout the city. Can you can you give me explain that? I've seen that headlined legitimately. This is my ex honest to God reaction. I've said out loud. Don't care enough and not on the wing so if you could please make that makes sense make me give them I don't really understand the sense of it because basically what they're trying to do is just undercut expenses at what's already the least expensive level of baseball. I mean minor leaguers get paid well below a minimum salary because a minimum federally mandated salary because Congress pushed through the protect America's pastime legislation two or three years ago. Oh yeah yeah so I mean. You're you're talking like Single-a high players that are making maybe twenty two thousand dollars a year You know and granted that's after their signing bonus but some dude Sanford I five thousand dollars. Apparently that's too expensive for For teams to comply with and so. They're just going to take these teams I know the Chattanooga lookouts were one that's kind of local to us that is on the chopping block. Yeah I love cats yes jokes. I would go to three to four. Lookouts Games this summer back when I worked at the kid at the Campo Syndicate. We'll see now now. You've been affected tonight now. I'm invested yeah but I mean I it's the type of Just kind of move just the type of dumb shit. That's enough dump. Shed on twitter like I don't really want to get myself to deeply involved with it but yeah basically. They're just trying to make the minor league labor force significantly smaller. Well Really Willie before. I got super small during this This breakdown and that the XFL so for those of you who are watching and paying attention at all Vincent Man has done again. You kind of saw this come. He said Oh the xfl starting it's dustin fail. You probably didn't see failing in the face of International Pandit however they were unique not prepared for this so seems like it should be a natural kind of the story. Bubbling the service. I think come out fairly soon is that this is GonNa get out of hand that very quickly because Oliver Luck father of Andrew Luck former Of Third Record Stanford is now. Suing Vincent Mcmahon so on March Twentieth. When everything's getting shut down around the world they suspended planning the xfl. They said. They can't But employees were so hopeful they believe that the League was having successful debut until the pandemic hit and their faces bolstered by Auburn locks. Message will afford a plane full season. You end for you. In twenty twenty one and beyond three weeks later the League was shuttered. Four hundred employees were laid off on a conference call. Napleton necker that the parent company filed for bankruptcy. What the how. So what happened was when things are shut down. They were basically telling people get ready for twenty twenty one. We'RE GONNA plan for season's budget scheduling. Hey they didn't get some money. Luckily in spins them at the end of the season and then April tenth call room was fired. Three days later hangups which is done by Olives. Alpha entertainment which is the boring in the Corporate Eh. Owns the xfl which is held by getting man told. Us separately from titans or which is wbz now apparently alphabet Father Breakup the baby will. Vince had a five hundred and fifty million dollars. Invested conflicts a lot of his investments and. Yeah this is all bad really really really interesting to see what happens because it doesn't like hey screw over wrestler. Now he's suing you in small claims court. Oliver Luck has audits already. Luck wants his money and I think Oliver Luck is probably get his money. See Yeah Yeah I mean it's it's messy and you know with the American football you know whatever from last year and then you know the xfl's checkered history and really all the Spring Football Leagues. I mean this was the one that had some promise and you know the lake unique model. They brought some rebels abducted actually implemented. Nfl They went ahead and they will they will. They were honestly. They better the way to position themselves as far as a television product at a time when things early on television it able to say. Hey We'll pay to be on the air and we'll split some the revenues and they worked was working number of great with. They were holding steady. At least they weren't imaging viewers. I mean the first time it was an actual product and Ciego. It's sad but Vinnie Mac. Not Football by Boise state fertile. Their entire staff. That's right their entire staff. Don't want everyone will notice. This is not the last of these headlines. You're going to hear no love football that make the money but universities are staring down the barrel of a fall of no tuition. I mean P J fleck just took a pay cut to avoid Furlough at Minnesota Guy who just signed for a new like six million dollar a year contract in January. So yeah I mean universities are GonNa hold this mess over Over coaches heads. But this is the first of many. Yes and yeah if you think. We're playing football this fall in. I've got some fish. Not Accept this shit now going before we talk draft in about Deandre Hopkins says there was no legibility Brian. Time Texans Video Bill Ryan floating around literally asking people to stop harassing about the trait Chacha. Should we feel any sort of sadness for Mr Obama no Stefan Dick's got a first round pick in the house? Man's Texans fans. I feel so bad for the man. They didn't even have them the next day. Diggs got a first rounder. What the Texans. Give up their first under four. 'cause they didn't have one man. I don't really understand what or why. Gm bill still has a role other than the fact that you know. They feast on a week division and win nine or ten games every year and no one can fire. Gm bill and GM BILLS ARE GONNA fire coach Bill. They don't have a president of operations anymore. There's no one to buyer GM bill. It's the B it's honestly it's a heist movie. Houston's love like it's fucking awesome eligible. Let me see these indexes waited. Got Brian's boss in Millo Brian Matt Barnes vases no direct report. It's me back to the region bear in much sadder. Nfl News Robert caskey overturned in the NFL. We headed to the GODDAMN TAMPA Bay buccaneers. Who weren't all of you about four weeks. All of you going to be a problem at the time. I said it because while that offenses Vogel to get Jameis Winston the most touchdowns in the league. What could it do with a quarterback who could knew what he was doing explained that the Mid Range? Where that offense is most effective? That's Tom Brady was most affected last year. I said Hey look at these weapons Mike Evans. Oj Howard some stuff out there. And then they added this fucking Gorilla Rob Gronkowski. Who caught ninety touchdown passes from Tom? Brady who may help him? Ease into the new office quite well. He also of note. Twenty four seven w champion. We had to defend his at all times as per rules. Regulations other wwe. But that's right right because he was not tired of football. It was that crying on television. His brain was messed up. He was not telling us how hard it was turned sleep because of the pain in his body he was just tired of playing for Bill Belichick. I'm not shocked. Vote this friend. Bitings is quarterback. Tom Brady in Tampa Bay chatty living in an NFC south city bre. Well fuck everybody. Well I mean already pretty well fucked because Saint Sir you know Mainland are expected cities teams remaining afraid. But no man. You're talking just add a competent quarterback Mike Evans and Chris. Godwin Gusto going Add the greatest quarterback of all time and probably the best tight end of all time to that and you got a problem the numbers against the Ren last year. And they got rid of those ridiculous cartoonists uniforms department. You don't from along part numbers. Have you or pants yellow now? The brown you wearing orange concede works for if we WANNA get into new. Nfl uniform the ones in Atlanta are the worst one team but man learn nothing nineties. Hawks gradients don't work on jerseys. Do they work really well on jerseys on video games you know the the the bucks in the saints are both going twelve and four? Next year the Falcons in the panthers are competing for Trevor Lawrence. So the panthers going I guess years I can see Ramin okay. The the the Falcons playing the Falcons are GonNa win. Just enough games to save Dan. Quinn and Thomas Jobs. Oh good so the worst case snare thank you. That's been slack. Baby here we go. I hate you did you watch. Nfl draft. I did I said out loud. He thinks I'm watching this. You're doing the bill draft. I would be to receive on the couch. Oh we watch the challenge for the night before no shit. I watched the first pitcher borough watching this wash the challenge record another podcast and then I watch all on the TV in my office on Mute. I signed my life when I was egency running blog. Draft Day diary. I'm not that guy anymore. Chad your it was a painful watch and I did a lot of Bouncing back and forth between seeing who got picked and playing video games and watching some TV. But I did watch it with a little bit of interest because I knew I was coming on this podcast and be because I mean it was actual by living sports content and that that was that was enough for To pull me in. Because I'm I'm just a dumps APP. One of my favorite things was that through the entire. Shamal the draft. They're pretending season's going to happen and have it on time and like even binoche cooking the draft by like they were saying the date. God damnit like the NFL defiant those Kinda cute but also kind of like you know the story. Did they mention that taught? Mcshea was not there because of they did not mention the fact that the that Rhona in did not be joining them on the Strip man. Yeah I'll talk about Georgia. I CAN Georgia fans we're usage or to podcast Georgia had a pretty good draft. Seven seven guys drafted first round injure. Thomas was number four overall. Pick by the giants. Just you and I talked for years about my love and hate for Georgia Line Blah. I think I've been a piece of enough. That you know feel topless. I hate to say it but government actually made a good picture. Great Pick like you want to protect the media quarterback he can do it. You want protective running back to either going for negative two yards or sixty yards there. You go I heard someone called saquon. Barkley the running back and football. Always got in a fight with the air Georgia with Andrea Swift. But Hey if you're taking a first running back in the NFL you're playing the wrong game. IS AWOL. Taken Twenty nine. The robot didn't see we playing for one of the top running office. Nfl I liked Wilson better there because I thought he was a better running barker that he was a pass blocker Blocking for that back that's GonNa to be a fun offense. I mean it already was. They ended we. We thought they ended. Tom Brady turns out. As per our segment ended. The Atlanta Falcons twenty twenty five seconds. It was fun for me. I was like Tom Brady has gone fuck the patch. He's GonNa wear where. Why robots for me I the first programs in Tennessee. In accident he wanted to have both tackle. Take the first round. That's pretty cool Understood was taken. He's a set number running back off. The board was taken. By the Lions Joining Matt Stafford as bulldogs in Detroit's Let's see who else got Georgia wise the from Buffalo? I loved it from. You've been a lot to me here. he was the the most right. My father-in-law's ever been over me. Think we've seen the best jake fromm yet and now know who wrote the article that you re tweeted this morning but Basically Georgia was sitting on pocket aces with him and Justin fields and came up with nothing. I think that is very apropos. And then you look at just from the offensive scheme you have to book and tackles in the running back taking in the first thirty five picks and then quarterback who I mean by all intents and purposes has everything but the prototypical size and the prototypical arm strength still looked at as a second rounder because he can at least be a gay manager in the. Nfl slips to the fifth where he's going to be behind the exact polar opposite of him and Josh Allen are all are no nothing else. Get One wild to me. I didn't see fifth round for from but it makes sense. They didn't know favors this year with With where they drafted him or team with where they use an offense once kroger. Didn't you drive. The city. Cater didn't get drafted Jr Re didn't drafted which is absurd to Bamiyan J. J. R. E. TO FOSTER GUYS. I don't know if I think may have seen is a wall to yeah Salman. Kelly went I think in the fourth. Maybe I think he went is somebody who went real heavy. I think maybe Miami and what's funny is is you look at Thomas and Wilson Kenley. You're like Holy Shit this due to our massive. And you can't really like come up with a scenario where all three of those guys aren't like entrench starters in the League for a good long while Kenley you know maybe doesn't quite have the mobility even on the interior but I mean all of those dudes ball and then you look at the talent. How it's not lately. Isaiah win like there's a lot of town and I look if you recruit line you could everything else in the nation Hornbeck crude running back. Then you can recruit entire offense ov draft outline and guess. What if I walk into a room? I'm trying to recreate yourself. Football from me as offensive lineman. Look we just put the NFL. I'm trying to create your son as quarterback might have a little bit more of an uphill battle to protect you. Look who's GONNA protect you? Don't well the guy who transferred out got picked about fifty picks before him. The other guy who got who transferred outs GonNa be either number one or two. Next YEAR'S DRAFT SAYS YEAH. I there's there's two sides of that coin yes. There are always talking about the driver's whole. I'll stick with one kind of the Big Joe. Borough obviously number one overall he's going to Cincinnati. What do you think about? Did you have any inequality that were you like? One of those people who thought the nature doesn't different now man. I mean I don't really know Cincinnati's online situation. We're talking about but their skills talents ridiculous. I mean they still got. Aj Green speaking of the dogs. Tyler Boyd has been a really good number two for Andy Dalton. Which for Andy Dalton? Did they picked up? A T higgins. They've still got Joe. Mixon and Geo Bernard at running back. That's going to be. I mean we'll see if we can actually get some minicamps which I can't imagine that we will. I think that's going to be a plug and play you know upgraded offense. The bengals still our trash. That's why there's a number one. That's why they have the number one pick but I really like the fit there and you know teams picking number one usually don't have that kind of talent to put around a quarterback immediately cheese went to the Washington professional football team next trip accrued up. Reto to the lions. My thing is if united taking the KHUDA TRADE DOWN WITH MIAMI. Pick up another pick like pretend to take into it. You know what I'm saying like that's the thing I've missed this year with wasn't as much subterfuge reviewers if I'm if I'm Detroit. I'm leaking. How much below two told staff seems like since about you? Were trying to get the trade down you down to find you. Pick up another pick. Maybe from the from the dolphins they have the eighteen as well. There's waste move their ship. Who's a fine pig? I don't know if he's a lockdown corner that's GONNA was short of hope. Not Great Lines even will see enter. Thomas Amazing pick for the giants two of those five to Miami. It's funny 'cause like the gag was were were taking too and then they did better Winning and they still get their guy. I think that if he's in apparently they had the they got the doctors to look at him. If he gives a healthy he can start from tomorrow. Yeah and I forget the linemen. They pulled out later in the first round but you know they kind of considered him a little bit of a re twentieth when he was picked and they said Yeah. Well he's slots in really well at right. Tackle all know if he's going to be a left tackle and then fell to the left handed quarterback. So that's exactly. That's exactly. Just remember going to the chargers at six ten quarterbacks here have we learned nothing about oriented quarterbacks that that one I think I put up a couple of tweets and said Yeah A DUCA and Herbert or going to be if But you know Dare Brown Von Candle Isaiah Simmons. Those guys are gonNA be studs Soon as God he plays everything he does is interesting. Thing you said about the gamesmanship it three. I can't believe My hometown team did not try to mess around and get get a little bit more draft capital for somebody trying to trade off rise. Ahah Simmons because I mean he is just plug and play. Whatever you want want to do whatever you WanNa do you remember how good a daily is? Thomas was those years with the Patriots where he would line up on the line. Sometimes he would play the corner. Simmons is basically the platonic ideal of if a daily Thomas was also just freaking awesome and also the League had evolved another twelve to fifteen years for him and it in in that Trust Arizona. Which is a weird thing to say. You Know I. I think he's the type of guy that you don't draft unless you have a plan for him and it just kind of forces teams have a plan for him because he is that game. Say throw everything we're doing. We're making a plan for this guy right if I'm Arizona. I'm surprised he still verity. Yeah I mean that's that's easy money right there easy money. I what else you got here. We got What you see this always happens Guys get blown with some of the decisions the pros make if I told you the first receiver off the board be Henry Rugs. Six months not believe me. I would believe you if you told me. That team was the Oakland raiders in that. Al Davis was Calling the shots from Cranston. Al Davis is amazing. It strong the fast guy. Their course we're going to get him to the raiders. Lt was picked up your Jerry Judy going Alabama or to be going to Denver's could fit. Did I see Eli was when Salema Singer Sixteen and I don't hate aged herald pig again a pig. I think that in this new. Nfl You had CD Lambda the sable. Overseers Atlanta has it's a it's a fucking game changer but I'm still trying to head around it on taking seating land there I've got thoughts on J tyrrell any thoughts. He was really the least impressive piece of that. Clemson defense going to skip two years off but talk of the biggest news out of the first round second the second round was that you launchers with Lsu get out ever tell you. How dare you running backs in the first round the this running back for that John David again? It kind of goes back to the evolutionary a daily is Thomas thing. Remember how good Brian Westbrook was for the Eagles back in the day. Come has the best running back in this class. I think help is Aben receiver. I mean He. He's the best receiving running back. Come out since God knows I mean that was I. I woke up on Friday morning and I I I saw that and I just shit get Christmas. The story of the first round I kept with this happened in the credit up to get it. The packers moved up to twenty six to get Jordan love. Utah state been in Let's see here. I want ten years like a first wrote receivers draft in that time. I'M GONNA say zero on all those hero on the one we recorded. That never made it past recording. I did mention to you that the most expensive free agent receiver of the Panthers every time for Cam. Newton was Russell Shepherd for three million dollars a year. Yup this is malpractice even beyond that broke. This is absurd. Rogers has left on his contract. You traded up to like people are trying to say Rod. No no barve tip burning retire arguments. You retire he said. I'm coming back that March. The draft was in April. They had driven runners in Rogers. Rogers very well could have gone one one in that draft things broken out differently roads. Here's the deal you drafted. You moved up in the first round. Pick them up in writer's isn't one of those guys take it quietly like I was very excited for the interviews and his name's Jordan which We we know Rogers issues with people named Jordan. You had your personal. He had thing I plus you. It's dedication hated other ways. We care about giving hurts ended up at Philadelphia and take Carson Winston. Sweat can make those those second round. The he was there he would have been there in the third round. Not Not any wouldn't but you talk about a team that needs some help it receiver. Eagles are definitely that as well So it makes it makes me wonder if we're going to go back to the the old seventy year old white. Gm saying oh well. He's better as a receiver Mark Jackson. I think they've done a pretty good job of making him I. I'm worried about that now. I'm worried I was wondering what he said that. Now I am but yeah. I think they've done a pretty good Defended his take on him. Being a quarterback else. Here were talking about anyone else willing to talk about any of the big new big draft news. You WanNa talk about well. Just jalen hurts. What's up with everybody comparing him to take some hill insult to juniors because through. Yeah and then. We're we're sitting on news today that Both Tastes Hill. Got In extension for sixteen million guaranteed and the saints signed. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Reggie Miller (05-13-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Reggie Miller (05-13-19)

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Dan and the danettes Dan Patrick show trust you had a great weekend. Gang's all here ready to go. Reggie miller. We'll stop by in about fifteen minutes. Eight seven seven three DP show. Your phone calls best and worst to the weekend. What you sold that you like to didn't like say good morning to our great TV partners direct TV the audience that work. That's channel two thirty nine and be our live dot com. Streaming free will talk to reg takes down the seventy Sixers blazers advanced past the nuggets the Cavaliers have. New head coach he's John B line from Michigan. Yup. I reacted the same way five year deal. Our audience pointed out that Michigan the Michigan head coach had flirted with or at least talk to the pistons a couple years ago about becoming their next head coach, but he's going to the Cavaliers, and I don't know if they made him decide before the lottery because after the lottery, you get if you win the lottery, there are a lot of people are going to want to coach the Cleveland Cavaliers a lot of people. Maybe Tom Izzo would want to rethink that. Because it was ten years ago. I believe when the Cavs reach down to Tom Izzo Michigan state, and they offered him five years thirty million dollars. Now. That's when they thought LeBron was going to be in Cleveland. It turns out he was not he went to Miami. And then you had Byron Scott. I believe you came in Byron Scott there a couple of these guys Tim Floyd. Tim Floyd was with the bulls and Michael retired Marcus Fizer. He had Marcus fi sleep on Iowa state's Marcus Fizer. There been a couple of coaches who have been waiting. They thought. Boy, this is going to be great. I get to coach LeBron now second thought you do I get to coach Michael Jordan and second thought you do, but John beeline going to Cleveland and apparently going to Cleveland matter what happens in the lottery, which is tomorrow night. Mani Williams took the Phoenix job before the lottery. He got five years you've got five years for John beeline. Who's never coached in the NBA, Luke Walton got five years was Sacramento and the Lakers Lakers gave Frank Vogel three years and a package deal. It's Frank Vogel and Jason Kidd coming in their Ty. Tyron Lou didn't earn. He wasn't worthy of five years as the Laker head coach. He's still getting paid by the Cavs, by the way. No, he's he's still getting paid like a coach. He's just not coaching right poll question. Mclovin. One and a half. So we switched it up to if you were Dell Curry and MRs Dell Curry who would you be rooting for in the Western Conference finals, south or Steph? So Seth is a backup guard in Portland. And of course, staff is one of the great players of all time. Mom and dad said they're going to flip a coin. To see who they're rooting for. So I guess it's head Steph and tales Seth. Do you really can't you just root for both boys? Both your kids. You can you have to pick one. Why in your deep down in your head? No matter what you say. Politically, you want one of the two teams to root for Seth. Seth doesn't have a title. He doesn't have any notoriety. It's got a nice little career goings planning about eighteen minutes. A game for Portland is. He's as established MBA player. But Steph curry has everything deals money championships. MVP's you root for your your other kid to kinda even things out? I think that's natural. I I would descend I ruined for both of them. Because if you're rooting for one are you rooting against the other one big then result. You are. If you're rooting for Steph. Then you're rooting for Seth to lose. And you can't do that. As a parent. I just root for you. I it might be hard to not look at a bottom line of what the end result is. But I just want both of them to do. Well, although it's weird if what if Seth is guarding. Steph. Then who am I routing for I want I want Steph to make tough jumper. Seth played good defense there or the other way around. Yeah. Fritzy, I think it's okay. For the parents to say, hey, we want them both to have an exceptional series. But ultimately as pointed out based on the discrepancy, and what one son has accomplished versus the other. It's a sets turn to win something. There's nothing wrong with that. You want them both to play great. But ultimately, let the gathering. Yeah. But Steph is going to have more of an impact on his team than Seth will. That mean, he's that's hot. That's a hot day. Yeah. Yeah. I know I'm really going on in a limb therefore Steph might have a bad series. And Seth might be the beneficiary of that of his brother not playing. I just think it would be hard to go into a game and picking sides on who you wanted to win. I just want both of them. I would want both of them to play. I know. Well, but that's a nice dilemma have with with Steph, quiet, Leonard. Pretty amazing best player in the playoffs. So far, not even now, I shouldn't say it's not not a question because you know, the Greek freak was wonderful as well. And Kevin Durant. When he was playing was wonderful, quite different. Because I think the point with Colli was where he was thirteen months ago. We didn't we didn't know where he was the Spurs didn't know where he was. And he was rehabbing people questioned is toughness. Did he wanna stay in San? Antonio was really heard how hurt was. And then you know, Gregg Popovich is trying to get an audience with him. And all of a sudden, they go we're going to trade him and get damore to Rosa because Toronto had gotten as far as they could go it felt like with Lowery into Rosen and you brought in choline who's a better player better resume than damore to Rosen. And all of a sudden, you know, it took seven games, but you beat a very talented seventy sixer team here is Leonard on his final shot. It was four seconds left. And I believe that you know, like, I said remember in that moment, I knew ahead some time to try to get some space rather than just catch shoot the ball. But. Catching it? Just trying to get to a space. So I'll get the shot off like you said and be was guarding me. He's taller longer than me. So, you know, in finding a spot that are, you know, like that I work on I know get into a spot, and I just knew I had to shoot at high. Okay. He did. I'll talk more about the seventy Sixers defense their strategy there. Here's Coalisland or you know, we don't get a chance to hear collide too often. And here's Colli see me like he's done seeming like these done this before God acts like I've been here before. So probably last time we probably see me scream when we wind. So whenever was like a moment where I haven't really experienced probably try to give something motion show some emotion and let it let me just come out. So you know, tonight was one of those nights. I'm never been in a situation before and. Like you said so I shot somebody hit a game winner in game seven. I just showed emotion. I like it. He has no emotion while talking about showing motion he did show motion after he hit the shot. Doesn't get old who is the genius who put that they get. Award. I hope they get an award. I don't want they'll get, but I hope they get an award. But fritzy, I thought we'd have mock headlines today. But I I'm telling you rockets Kuwiat the seventy Sixers. That's strong. Yeah. But I thought we'd have that you'd have a John beeline going to the Cavaliers seventy Sixers in be trouble. Yeah. And wondering what the seventy Sixers going to do with their head coaching situation. Because now right Brown has not been fired. But that hasn't stopped the speculation from Jay right at Villanova. Tony Bennett from Virginia, John Calvin, Jerry. Tom. Oh, but they call him Tibbs. Jeff Van Gundy, stand Van Gundy. Mark johnson. Tyron Lou, Mike Brown. Becky hammon. Who else is on this list? They got they got west junior. Yes, he making the last couple of on June. Yeah. There's a west until junior. I think he was up for the Cavs. Joe? Would you keep Harris Tobias Harris Jimmy Butler who keep I would keep in beat Simmons? Right. The two free eight what about the two free agent. So I don't think Tobias Harris worked for him. And you know, he went from the clippers where you don't think about, you know, am I getting my touches my shooting too much. You just go out and play. Then you get on a team where there's a lot of other good players. And then you start to think well, am I ball hogging. I want to be a good teammate here. Jimmy butler. Just feels like, you know, he would be stopping through that he would be headed to the west coast. But I I don't have any Intel on that. I don't know. I wouldn't give up on Ben Simmons. Because there is a unique nece to him. I just would in the only way I would know this is if I was in a gym with him, and Saul him shoot and just saw more of him and saw him take threes because he doesn't want to take him in the game because he doesn't want embarrass himself. I want to see what your shot looks like just your form. And Reggie Miller talked about he'd love to work with him. And you know, if you got somebody who can help him somehow, the seventy Sixers get guys who can't shoot. Marquel? Folds? And then you got Ben Simmons. How does that happen? But if I all great players adds something to their game in the offseason little things big things, they add they improve is Ben Simmons gonna put in the time as the players say in the lab, that's what I would want to know is Embiid going to get in better shape because he needs get in better shape. These guys saw professional and Colli Leonard. Now, I don't like what happened in San Antonio. We don't know all the details because it San Antonio. But you saw a professional go out there and play basketball. Offensively and defensively. Go I Leonard played basketball at maybe, you know, one of the highest levels that we've ever seen. Those numbers. And he was you know, shooting is shooting percentage was wonderful. He did everything. And if you're Ben Simmons, and Joel Embiid, you have to look at that and go that guy place hard. He you know, he took them. He took the moment and own the moment because you can't just sort of go. Hey, this is fun and have fun when you're in the postseason and chance to win championships. It's business. It's not fun. It's not regular season. You know, you're not stopping through Cleveland here. You gotta play. And they realized what a professional basketball player looks like and they should look at that. And go that's what I aspire to be. I do have an issue with how Philip Philadelphia played that last shot. Yongping co I did what you want a great player to do. He wanted the ball and he made the shot, but you know, with four seconds to go. Oh, I need you to do is if I stop him. He has to give up the bowl. That's it. Then we can go into overtime. There is no way. I want him to shoot. No way. I want him to pick up his dribble in if I have a seven footer and a six eleven guy on him. It's gonna be hard for him to get that jumper off. But you can't let him get the ball. And then immediately go, right? And then go right around and bead, and then it'd be jumps too soon. And then quite has an opportunity to squeeze it off. Now was an incredible shot. Yes. But I can't let him get to the point. Great players do incredible things. I can't let that happen. I want Lowery to take. I want anybody but him. Serge Ibaka can take the shot. I don't care. Yes. But I mean coy had to circle the entire court and hit a fadeaway shot. I mean that was a terrible shot to take he hit it. But it's far from an open. Look, I don't know how much more they really could have done other than not let them get the ball. I just don't want him shooting that so soon as he gets a WTI like my my coaching advice would be in with any great player. I'd say the same thing if you're a role player, and you beat me good for you. I'm okay with that. I never want the great player to have the shot. I I've witnessed this too many times when when I was in the garden when magic hits that little runner. I can't let magic have the ball. It's magic me Jordan past Apax, and he had a big shot Jordan past Steve Kerr. He had a big shot. That's the right defensive philosophy in my opinion. I never do realize who got the ball after magic hit the little runner. That put the Lakers up in the garden. Somehow James worthy lost sight of Larry Bird. And bird had the jumper from the corner that went back and iron. You can't let great players have the ball can't. And even though Kawai hit a big shot. I just I'd rather be talking today about hey, you know, what Kyle Lowry hit a twenty footer and and we lost. Okay. I'm okay with that. I'm never okay with the great player hitting the big shot. And I have to look at strategy because you can look at results, but I'm looking at strategy, and I go back to that Cavs game against Michael, Jordan and Jordan was the only guy on the floor. He could be and he did Jordan hit the jumper over Craig Hilo. I don't let Michael have the ball. And even if he gets the ball to Ken late great players beat you. But that's why they're great players. They get that opportunity. Steph curry shot forty four percent from three point range this year three NBA players shot better from threes. This season. Guys want to take a guess one. You should absolutely get. One with a little more thought, you will you might get. And then the other one the last one is the the fun one. The apple the only one I know is Joseph Joe Harris of your net. Yes. Joe Harris shot better, aka Joe. Yeah. His nickname is Joe. Danny green. Seth curry shot better from three point range than Steph curry how about that. Those guys were in the both were in the three point shooting contest and. Seth Seth done. Well, kind of carved out nice little career their role player. Coming off the bench with Portland I poll question. We're going to stay with that. Mclovin. We have the curry brothers up there. Just for fun. I would you didn't ask me. I'd go with Steph because you get the root for them longer. Ooh. Yeah. I've said I love, you know, I love Portland with their heavy favourite. Okay. Poorly. Can do this. No, it's yeah. Vegas. I give it a little bit more of a pause. There was that courtesy because you like the town of Portland, I do Portland, and you don't wanna be you. Also, don't want to be the guys that says they have no chance. Yeah. Well, you never hear me say no chance. Yeah. You don't want to be on the old take expose real ruin their whole flow right there in the moss. No take. No, take like that. They'll edit out that pause, and yeah. Yeah. Do you think Portland's the chance? No. It'll sound like I'm saying like real quick instead of going. No. No. Is that your thought tone? Yeah. Give it. Yeah. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. How's that? It sounds like you're considering it sounds like you're giving it deep thought. I would love for Portland to win. You're rooting for Portland. Yes. Oh, remember in for a great story. Now there you're seeing history. And maybe it's the last championship with Golden State with Kevin Durant and all that stuff. But I like when sports are unpredictable, and it feels like Golden State, even though I didn't pick them to beat Houston that it's been predictable this year. I don't know. Kevin Durant health status for game one. Do they have a betting line for that? Because I don't know if you can put that out of Durant's not play. Yeah. Point in the past Golden State's done that rest are star until we lose a game thing, you see them doing that with Durant. We just let him rest in game one. If we went young let him rest in game two if we went like, I think they did that a couple of years ago with Steph Curry's ankle early in the playoffs. I would do it because you're at home the first two games. And maybe the first time you see Durant would be in Portland. Because you know, this is just the Western Conference funds. You're going to be running into somebody in the east and Kevin Durant. They're gonna need him. Yes. Mclovin. By so the the warriors are going to take the ran out if they fall behind which is better here. I thought we all agreed. They're better without hot. Wait. I I don't I mean. The ball moved around all of a sudden. Everyone's wait, wait. Wait, you honestly, think Golden State's better without during. I think Golden State will beat Durant's team next year if he leaves. Yeah. I think there was no no, no not that. That's not the point. I don't think there. I'd no. I don't think they're better. But I think they're only marginally worse. I think it's close they were playing pretty clunky with Durant against the rockets. You think the Golden State is just marginally better with with Durant? Yeah. I'd say it's a difference between two wins in the regular season. Well, I do think that that Steph curry and Klay Thompson know their roles, they're a little more define without Katie there. It's like you were saying about Tobias Harris when you know, you can shoot without worrying about a better player you sometimes play loser. Reggie Miller just called in. I'm going to present this hot take to reg coming up here. We'll get his thoughts on everything the Lakers hiring Frank Vogel. The Cavs going into the college ranks for John beeline, and is Philadelphia going to have a new head coach. We'll take a break. The great Reggie Miller. Will join us coming up twenty after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick show. Everybody's got it to do this. I get one for my wife drop off the dry cleaning pick-up, some milk figure out something to get out of the house. So I can relax. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. The good thing. You don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything? All you have to do is go to Geico dot com and fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Do you like extra money in your pocket? 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You said that the warriors are marginally better. Yeah. They're a little bit Durant in the lineup. Yeah. A little bit better especially in the playoffs. But during the regular season there about exactly the same the best player in the NBA. Does not help his team is what you say. Yeah. And that necessarily declaring strong best player in the okay? One of the top three players in the game. Five players doesn't help is. Okay. You know what? I mean. He sucks the energy out of that hole offense. They look like the thunder. Let me bring in Reggie Miller of the hall of Famer reg, what do you think of mclovin taught take first of all what the heck is Vic, Lovin smoking is absolutely crazy. Here's the thing in playoff basketball. And the reason why the warriors looks so good during the regular season is it's one game. And you move on your traveling in your onto the next city onto the next team. Come playoff basketball possessions in the game slows down you get locked into a rhythm. So you've gotta have players that can create their own offense. We saw that case in point Damian Lillard game winner from thirty seven foot game winner last night by quiet littered game winner by CJ McCollum clear. Out one on one isolation basketball. You've got the best one on one player in my opinion in Kevin Durant. He absolutely makes the Golden State Warriors unbelievably difficult to defend come playoff basketball. Yeah. For a game. We saw that against the Houston Rockets in game six the old warriors and ball movement and everyone contributed but every game every situation is going to be different. And now that you're moving on to the more you move on the better the teams are defensively. So you've gotta have a guy you could just throw the ball to on the block mid range, and let them go to work, and that's what Kevin Durant brings mclovin. Would you like to respond to Reggie Miller? What is Reggie no menial? Did the worries better against rockets with that? Well, what I will say is. I don't think if the rockets I first of all I can't believe the the goose job that they pulled in game six if they would've won game six I really would have thought they would have won game seven back in the bay area without K D. But look the warriors found a way to win that I think going forward, and I think the warriors caught a break they got a break by Portland winning that series because if they would've faced Denver with that movement with Yokich and those young players it would have been a mutt. I think it'll be a much difficult series or Golden State to win. Now. They're almost playing like the rockets two point. Oh, again, you've got to players McCollum and Lillard one on one isolation basketball right in front of you. So there's not a lot of movement like didn't. Ver would have had the bat cuts. Yokich the passing the running the young leagues and on top of that going to mile high and dealing with that I think it's a much favorable matchup for Golden State going against Portland. Reggie will be on the call near Eastern Conference finals along with Marv Albert and see web before I get to some of these other matchups. Hear your thoughts with Frank Vogel going to the Lakers. I I don't know what the Lakers. Join seriously. It it it baffles me the first of all that you would not offer Tai Lou the five year deal a guy with his resume, and he's earned that he's deserve that. So does the whole Jason Kidd thing wha-? What are they doing? Never in the history of head coaches has an organization tells you you've got to hire these assistant coaches or this assistant coach, it's it's I'm not saying this. But it's almost like having a snitch in the huddle. Basically. That's what you're saying. You gotta hire this guy. But he'll report us because a head coach has to have total confidence in his hit the rest of his coaches and for an organization to pick a coach for you. I agree with title to kick rocks. I'm out so I don't I don't under-. I don't understand what the Lakers are doing. I really don't. I I like Frank Vogel. He coached my Pacers. He's a nice, man. But he's he's the right man for the Lakers or is it? Just Jason Kidd's job in waiting. I don't understand. I don't understand what the Lakers are doing. Does the ri- rockets does this system work as they go forward? Or does harden? And or the rockets need to make an adjustment. If they're going to win a championship and get by Golden State. No matter of Katie is there or not? The system works during the regular season. Yes. Because it's great. You know, we talked about the one on one I selection and it's one game in your moving on. So teams don't prepare like they prepare come playoff time. So it's a great regular season offense that puts up unbelievable numbers and MVP type numbers as we saw last year and potentially this year for James harden, become playoff basketball. You can't play like that. And it always it always gets highlighted when you go against Golden State because they expose you defensively an offense. If we the things that you need to do to be winners and champions. And once again, the rockets got exposed by Golden State that that system the analytics threes versus twos and mid range. You've got exposed once again. So I don't know what changes they can do your two main players that are eating up the payroll in Chris Paul and James harden. They're not going you can't trade for them. You know, they make too much money. So I don't know what system changes you can do unless they add another guy who can give them like a mid range jumper. I just need to change it up a little bit here. I need another kind of think that was going to be the case with Carmelo. Yes. Yes. At the beginning of next year that was supposed to be there. Mid range guy. Come playoff time. You throw, you know, in that fifteen to eighteen foot area, and he could get you buckets. But that didn't work out. You're absolutely right. They need a player like that. Yeah. It's a great point the Cavs John beeline leaving Michigan to coach that team your thought. Again. Great, man. I love him. What are the Cavs doing? I don't understand. And again, look, we're you and I are all over the place with this. This is the problem with college basketball because I don't know if you're gonna find a better job that coach line has in Michigan. I I believe 'cause we cover them this year tournament they have great recruiting class coming in. So what is this saying to those kids? What is it saying to those guys that are staying there? I I don't understand do they get a chance to get out of there to get out of there and go somewhere else and play right away. No. So why does he get rewarded by jumping to the Cavs in a five year deal? So I I don't that's the problem with college basketball. I love coach v line a great coach I think, but what is he sixty five sixty six taking the Cavs job. I pro- job where he has zero experience. I believe I don't think he's ever coaching the NBA, but it's a great opportunity for him and his family. So i'm. You know, that's the positive spin on it. But it can what are what are the Cavs doing? I don't know. I'm just trying to I don't know if he's not running away from something in Michigan. But you know, you gotta be running towards something. If you're going to coach in the NBA, you gotta be ready for that. And I know that he talked to Orlando and Detroit, and maybe just started to get a little bit more excited about that possibility. You know, somebody who knows him. Well, emailed me to say, you know, he's going tired of the college basketball environment in the recruiting in all of that one hundred percent. I get but you're right about you have to be running towards something Billy Donovan to national champions of Florida. He was running towards Kevin Durant. Russell westbrook. I get that. Fred Hoiberg success at Iowa State, but he was running towards you know, he was with Minnesota for a long time as an administrator until manager and then running towards that head coaching job with Chicago. That's an attractive job be line. I mean you've been to what back to back. Final four is that believe or success at Michigan? You're running towards the Cavs. That's what you're running for. Okay. What's better job today? Cleveland or the Lakers. It's still Lakers. Obviously LeBron come on. You don't know. What's going to happen? Tomorrow night in the lottery, I have no. Do you think the Lakers are gonna get on? No, no, no, no Cleveland's gonna get on. Well, if they do I think I think Cleveland's luck of number one picks is about ready to run. Okay. Lebron been it. It's over there running fix because he wrong over Cleveland. Winds Yorkers getting up pick. If Cleveland wins the lottery. What's a better job on Wednesday? The Lakers or the Cavs still the Lakers. Okay. Proven great as he is. He's gonna feel seats. I get that. But I saw LeBron James. I'll go. No. It's the Lakers the brand. Okay. I got the brand. Here's one thing. I was I was wondering and I threw this out the other day, and people aren't even it's not even registering with them. What if I said, you could have Blake Griffin's numbers attached as I on Williamson would just sign up for that. Now. I mean, it's twenty five and ten I feel like that people will be disappointed if he's a twenty-five because if I say, oh, he could be the next Blake Griffin. Now, we wanting to be the next Charles Barkley or LeBron James he might be the next Blake Griffin. Reg. I like wicks numbers rollerblading nothing twenty five and ten giving you buckets to I'll take Blake's game. If his eye on Williamson at the end of his career has Blake Griffin's numbers and game and can face you up. They can knock down threes, and you could put on the block and their lettuces them. Absolutely. I will take that people need to stop because Charles was a freak of nature at six four. There will never be another Charles Barkley at six four that can dominate a game at that size rebounding blocked shots handled a basketball and give you bucket. So to classify I on and Charles that's doing a disservice. But if he has Blake's numbers absolutely a perennial all-star now he is was the face of the clippers. And now it's the face of the pistons, and what he showed me 'cause we call that game him playing hurt this due to me goes to another level man because he didn't have to play in those two games with. That lake and shouldn't have been playing. But he saw the writing on the wall and went out there and gave it the old college. Try and got a double double vs in my opinion, calling it now possibly the world champs in in Milwaukee. His he he goes up another level might wait. Wait, you got Milwaukee? You and Barclay got Milwaukee winning it all. I. Writing's on the wall, man, they're deep and this do yawn, man. I want you guys to watch closely because his eyes he has a tiger lion. Look in his eyes on every player on every possession on every play. I'm looking at everyone else's is maybe Kevin Durant and quiet times. But this dude is playing desperate, and he doesn't he's playing desperate and his team is playing desperate. And they're not hurt. They have depth. They're well coached. It's going to take a lot a lot. Have you can beat them? But is going to take a lot. And especially I mean, I called this before the Kevin Durant injury. Just because they have so many weapons. I mean, he could play ten people in the way that the warriors were playing before Durant. Steve Kerr was only playing seven guys. And he was starting the Hamptons five and they were all playing thirty six minutes. That's that's too many comply. That's too many. So that's why you can rest your guys instill advance. That's why Milwaukee at my opinion is gonna win at all. I I was dissecting the last play with Kawhi. And there were a couple of things that bothered me. And you you were there to see it. But I can't let the best player on the floor have the ball ridge. And if I do let him have it. I got a double team. So he gives it up. There's only four seconds left. I I was just kinda surprised that Philadelphia. He they let him get it. And then any did have to go a long way to get that shot off. But I can't let him get the shot off. Okay. Did Cleveland not try to let Michael Jordan at Craigie, Golo them and Larry Nance a double team. They didn't do. Good job. You got. But by point is great players will find a way to get the ball to the Knicks tried and not let me get the ball with eight points in nine seconds. No, no, they they let him shoot way to get the ball. Quite leonard. Got the basketball with a six ten guy on them in Ben Simmons, drove past him to pick up a seven one two hundred eighty pound mobile. Big red wine needed him to do is force him left. Whether it was a double team. I would have said absolutely, positively. He cannot go right? That's it. Not go right left. You got two guys. You gotta double team there. And if that's the case Philadelphia, maybe playing in another series, they may have advanced because you force him left. And then you've gotta double team he has to give it up, and it's four seconds. It's simple. It was as simple defensive strategy. But young. Inexperience been in that situation. No, no. But you cannot say that's terrible defense because he is dribbling around at six ten guy. Then he has to pick up a seven one. He picks up a seven one guy a couple of dribbles and shoots a unbelievable rainbow that has the touch of death on it. But but you're we're looking at the result. We know the end result. I I'm saying in the moment. Doubling doubling. No, no. And then all of a sudden he makes the shot which break players will find a way to get the you can't say double them 'cause like forced him into another team, reg I forced him into the double team. And then he gives it up and then Kyle Lowry beach me than I live with it. Why didn't the Fender run at Damian Lillard as he's walking the ball up just to get the ball out of his hands. I agree. I. Night when see sees eight McCullum headed going on. And they dropped to a one four. CJ McCollum bridge. I should be coaching. I should be coaching. The lakers. Why didn't you you should be coaching the Cavs because you're closer to highway and you're from Ohio, you should be the coach of the Cavs. I passed on that job bridge. Oh, breakaway with that music. 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NBA's New G League Youth Initiative; The Last Dance; NFL Draft

Game Theory Podcast

1:27:37 hr | 5 months ago

NBA's New G League Youth Initiative; The Last Dance; NFL Draft

"And. Tell them what. podcast saying the Seaney I'm here with the legend. Curtain! I'd say. How you doing man good good as well as anyone could be doing during these trying times, but I'm staying saying by doing the these trying times drinking game, which is anytime. You're watching live television anytime. A commercial comes on and mentions these trying times. You've got to drink, and you get sloshed real quick. while. You've got A to quote David Kahn Manna from heaven. That was the NFL draft the again. God I did too I'm not GonNa lie to you I was. More tuned into the NFL draft. I had like money on props like. All in on the NFL draft this weekend. I watched like bleacher reports coverage. It really good like Matt. Miller in Colorado. Really good layup I kind of want to talk to them like try and pick their brain and be like you know. Is there anything I can add to their? To my knowledge by talking to them about the way, they go about things. It was really really good. Life Co. is Great. He was there the first two nights to But like I'm so locked into them like even fourth and fifth rounds I was like. Yes, I love it. Why is Bradley and I fall like? Losing my mind. Super engaged in this thing and we needed. We needed some sort of sporting event and I'm glad we got one. It was beautiful to enter. That event not knowing the outcome of something knowing that no one knew the full outcome of something and the amount of text message chains I had going. It just felt like old times again. Like obviously you know we're all staying connected in our own ways, and you know the general attacks back and forth, but without sort of these external actions. Precipitating contact like was just not stuff happening. So what is there to reach out about this or that It was really great to kind of get the chains. Go and again to feel. Like something dynamic and interesting was happening. That wasn't pandemic and I don't know is is much of pessimists as I am everything in my life and certainly have found plenty of pessimism. Pessimism to be a viable emotion in a state of mind during this pandemic. The way the ease in which the the draft seemed to be held. The, intimacy of the entire situation the ability. On a personal level, it just be able to dive into something really deep like the fact that there was nothing else going on allowed me to completely nerd out about the draft, which is something I really enjoy doing in hopes to do again and but yeah, it was just. There's reason to believe that we're going to get something back soon. That the NFL draft will won't stand alone for months on end and. Yeah, Right, I, I can't imagine I can't imagine why we wouldn't have golf back relatively soon in tennis, and we're going to fight island. But like? Real fight island is real, and they are going to be pumping out the content because Dana white does not care. About anything in you know what more power to sign the waiver. Let's do this thing. It's unbelievable. It's unreal is the smart thing to do well. Let's start with the fact that it's UFC. None of this was ever a smart thing to do so why stop there? But I think we're going to get baseball back here probably by the fourth of July and that's not to say that you know it. It should be back or that. It's healthier whatever but. Business is business we. We know this country runs. On businesses and corporations and Hockey they're looking to get back in on this thing asap. There's there's some market share to be had, and they're trying to capitalize so I. I think that you know at least in the sporting landscape We're going to get back to. Something, something I duNno, it'll be anything remotely close to normal, but we'll get back to something soon. I think the NFL draft showed that that it's possible to to pivot and. Try New stuff and get weird that it's going to be a okay and people respond to it more than anything else. Yeah totally agree, and maybe we'll get some takes on the NFL draft at the end of the podcast here, what? The couple of things I want to talk about on this podcast in general. Are I talk about this new G. League initiative into? The decision of high school kids going to the G. League now and getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do so because Adam silver thinks it's a good idea for this to happen. We're going to talk about. The last dance, which is fascinating, weird stylized. Almost monstrosity and Credibly entertaining, beautiful documentary about Michael Jordan in the one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty eight bulls, and then finally. We're going to talk a little bit about this poll. That Tim Bond Temps. About prospects across the NBA that you would want to start your franchise with so. Let's start with the G. League initiative thing, so it comes out the reason that we haven't had a podcast in a while is that a I turned thirty I join the ranks of being thirty. Giddy up. On the day that Jalen Green announced the. Down with Professional G. League. Never felt older. In the day that. The whole idea of this G. League pathway was announced where they're not gonNA play in the G. League. It's not going to be like they're allocating jalen green to a team. They're going to be just having these kids hang out in southern. California, getting better basketball teaching them life skills everything that goes into that. Instead of playing really high level college basketball. and. I can give some background a little bit on that so like I kinda got an inkling that this was going to happen like a couple of days before so on, let's say like April fourteenth, and even on the sixteenth the day that green announced. I was still like texting and calling like G. League. GENERAL MANAGERS IN G, League assistant, general managers in like guys on the team level asking them like what are you know about this program? and. The level of. Uncertainty about it. Even among those people was pretty bizarre to me. they thought there was still a chance that like they were going to be allocated. These kids on their rosters in work concerned about like having to care for an eighteen year old for a year and having to deal with an eighteen year old's development that. You know frankly you don't have. player rights to. In. Regard to having them on the NBA teen. So how do you go about developing him, do you prioritize his development over course of your older players? Do you just make talker crecy like there were a lot of concerns going on within G. League offices among people I talk to. And? That is. I think. One of the interesting ways to frame this entire thing I kind of feel like it's flying a little bit. By the seat of its pants like they wanted. The headline of Jalen Green potential number. One overall pick is passing up college to go play professional basketball. With the G. League, not necessarily in the G. League because essentially this thing is going to act as an academy in the NBA. Academy system has all of these you know locations in India and China I think there's one necessarily. There's definitely one in Africa where. They, try and identify the best players and put them in a situation to succeed. The thing is that in those countries. There isn't a basketball infrastructure that already exist developing players well bright. In many of them at least like astrologists, bit of a different beast, and I think China's a little bit ahead of the other two, but. In the NBA and in America College basketball does exist and I have heard. Some questions as to why. The NBA feels like it wants to get involved. In, the development of younger players when this ecosystem already exists like I can tell you that there are scouts general managers you know higher level executives. ETC that I've talked to. That are like I. Don't really know why we're subsidizing this because. Like housing Jalen Green Isaiah Todd they shed Knicks the former commitment to ucla decided to commit to this program today, so we're up to three rap over a million dollars committed already to house these kids to pay for trainers to pay for food To pay the rental for whatever place they decide to go with house, these kids from a training perspective even like the mom academies a really great option out here in southern California like this is going to be an eight figure expenditure. That you're going to have to sell owners on being like. Yeah I'm willing to write the check you know. For three hundred thousand dollars along with my thirty other owners to subsidize this thing and. Maybe they find a way to get for instance. GATORADE involved like I. Don't know if Gatorade 's involved in maybe paying these kids just because they want the publicity for the G. League, because the G. The G. League stands for Gatorade like under speculating here, but maybe they decided that they'd be willing to kick some money in maybe someone like. A Shoe Company decided to kick some money. And because they think it's good to get these kids away from colleges why they would wanna do that when they already sponsored the apparel for many of these colleges. I'm not entirely sure, but I'm just kinda throwing at all. Yeah in terms of like who's going to pay for this and. I'm just very. I don't WanNa say I'm skeptical because I. Think it's good that there is now like A. Somewhat well-formulated pathway for these kids to get paid legally by. The basketball community writ large. Play basketball. I. Am just like a little bit hesitant on the way that it has been formulated so far I. Guess is the way to put it. In that just a straight up pop mess, and no one seems to have answers, and they're kind of doing it by the seat of their pants. It's like I. don't even know. If. Even know if it's like by the seat of their pants, but like it feels. It feels like everything is in quite set up in the way it needed to be, and they're just kind of offering these kids like I've talked to plenty of you. Know handlers for kids and. You know agents that have. That are connected with kids like have been floated the idea of the G. League, and it's a lot of them are saying no, because they still see value in building their brand in college basketball, essentially being able to sign a bigger shoe deal somewhere else. But. I'm just a I'm not sure yet. This is the best most valuable route for these kids. I'm glad it exists, and I'm glad that Kids that don't want to have to deal with the collegiate atmosphere or going to get an opportunity to go down this road. I'm just going to be very interested to see how it all plays out because. They're just a lot of. Factors at play here. Let me ask you this. Who Do you think? The NBA feels threatened by here. It. Is Much. Likes to do it as a goodness of their heart thing in trying to create another path like that's not really how businesses are run especially when you're giving out hundreds of thousands of dollars. So who do they feel threatened by? I don't know that it's threatened. I think that they just. Wouldn't mind taking a chunk out of college basketball potentially. If. That's the case in I think that on some level it may be just from kind of talking with people around the league. If that's the case it like. They're literally recruiting kids that are signed by college basketball. Teams Dacia Knicks had signed his letter of intent to go to UCLA I think it's shortsighted to do that because you can certainly reduce college basketball in, you can minimize its specter. And you can minimize the newsworthiness of it so for instance like I'll be on the lead tomorrow. The athletics podcast talking about this entire initiative right with Davidson, and like something Kavita told me it was just like we haven't had a college basketball topic yet. This year since we started the lead. Just because there hasn't been anything newsworthy and I, think that that goes into the talent drain that I've talked about on this podcast before college basketball was week. This year wasn't a great freshman class. Lot of the good freshman decided to go pro in Australia or sit out James Wiseman. All of these upperclassmen had decided to leave early in this was the year. We're college. Basketball really felt it in my opinion. So. You can hinder the newsworthiness, but at the end of the day. Unless you're like killing the NCAA tournament, which will never happen right? They're still going to be interesting college basketball because the NCAA tournament is still by far the most valuable property. Basically in sports outside of the Super Bowl right at least in America. Maybe make case Champions League final. Maybe you can make a case for like the cricket final for something like it's. It's a top top ten worldwide, if not top five worldwide sports property. Right so you're never gonNA kill that I. Don't think because Fans WanNa. Be Able to take off work on. A Thursday and Friday drink beer with their friends. It noon and watch basketball in gamble on basketball like that's not changing anytime soon so I don't think you're going to take a big enough chunk out of college basketball if that's the goal to make. Expending eight figures worth of value a worthwhile proposition. Now you know maybe Adam Silver thinks that they can develop kids better than colleges can. Okay I'll be interested to see that like I I just don't know. Able to feels like a strange. Tangent just feels like. There's so many other things that the NBA could spend time and effort and money on in this one just feels. Petty? Almost. Like not really sure in it. And it feels judicious to in a way like feels like we finally created a way for the elite basketball players in high school in this country to get paid and again I'm glad it exists. But. As paid. Mechanics behind it don't totally add up to me. I, guess is the way to put it might. My thought is that I think they were fearing. That the N. B. L. or perhaps European Leagues, WE'RE GONNA start getting talent. Over there. And it was going to mess up their pipeline. In ways, because if those other skirt giving out. Serious money well then I might stick around for two or three years, you know. They can give out enough like the NBL I don't think can give out right. No, that's fair, but I think that like even guess Spain could but I. Don't think they would i. don't think they would but still. It does undercut perhaps just the optics. Of the NBA Being The Preeminent Basketball League. That's without dispute, but. When. High School teams in the in the US top ranked high, school teens are like Angola Australia or I'm going to China. Or. I'm going to Italy. Brandon Jennings Moody Rj Barrett Lamelo Ball like when when you have to go overseas, I don't know maybe just a patriotic play. Just we're going to keep these guys in the US. We're going to keep them in North America so that. For whatever reason but the I here's I think that plays a role and I think that. The fact that the one in done negotiations have not gone like super well, right? At makes sense also plays a role because here's an olive branch. Will, yeah I think it's like an olive branch to these kids that want to be able to turn pro, but more than that. I think it's us. Look at the mechanics of WHO's involved in negotiating the end of the one and done. The NBA doesn't want the end of the one in done, because it's easier for them to evaluate younger players in highly competitive atmospheres in college, and it makes more sense for that world to continue right. You're not making you're less likely to make poor investments such as like in duty, maybe going in the first round to Minnesota then you are. If they go to college, maybe get exposed. They would love it if they could get two or three, but that's just not reasonable, but on the coming from. On the players side so like the NBA is argue for it. The players aren't going to argue for it, either. I don't think because at the end of the day. The people who run the players association typically are veteran players. Who are either stars such as Chris Paul Kyrie Irvings a vice-president now. You know we can name a bunch of or their veterans like Roger Mason used to be right. and. These guys don't want to have six or seven of their veteran contracts. Handed out instead to. Eighteen and nineteen year olds. Because that's just not a valuable allocation for them of guys who have deserved the right to get paid to play basketball have earned the right to get paid to play basketball, so nobody on that sides arguing for it. Nobody on the NBA side is arguing for it so. I think we're kind of at an impasse, unless the MVP is just like look, it's the right thing to do. We're willing to do it right. which it very well might, it might They might woke themselves out of some shops. Sure but like I'm skeptical of that so like. Maybe this is just like the olive branch. Like here's the thing to like I kind mentioned the. NBA teams like this college route because it gives them an opportunity to evaluate players, and thus makes it less likely for them to make mistakes on players. I mean. It doesn't it doesn't cost the NBA anything which is the operative? Thank the NFL's never. A college football will continue to exist in this country. Because the NFL loves college football so much. It has to maybe subsidize it down the Line Belleville considerate, but a bunch of boosters in Birmingham Alabama paying for a minor league football. It is the best thing that ever happened and I think the same can be applied to to the NBA on a smaller scale. And like I've talked to a lot of NBA personnel at this stage. And Very few of them don't think that this is going to make their life. New G. Leak Process the new initiative in the reason that they say that is A. They have a way that they go about getting. Intel on these prospects already in this totally upends that, so they're gonNA. have to create new networks terms of how they gather information on this. By the way, the NBA has to create new networks of the people who are going to actually take care of these kids and facilitate their growth and all that stuff, so maybe it's an easy network to develop, but like again. There's no. It's something that's different. There's no yeah. There's no like statistical database on how to evaluate how kid performers and engy league practices against you know other players in practice settings versus in the SEC hyper competitive basketball settings right. Second feeds into that point. A lot of these kids are just the elite of the elite when they play high school basketball, they been like proverbially punched in the mouth yet. And, faced adversity on the basketball court yet until they get to college, some of them like green that kids not going to face adversity even in college because he's just fucking monster. When when do you get to play full grown men in its own right? Get to play full grown men here. This G. League thing. Isaiah Todd Dacian Knicks these guys. The could've legitimately gotten value. Out of Facing very competitive at fears of older players by four years that have been in strength training programs that are stronger than them. The can legitimately like. Push them around in. Make them face adversity. Now these evaluators going to make decisions based off. Kids based on what we know so far with this program where they're gonNA play exhibitions against G. League teams. Maybe they're gonNA. Play other NBA academies. They might play some other professional teams, but none of it is going to be a highly competitive atmosphere because you're not playing for anything you're just playing for. You know yourself getting drafted higher right. So, it's GonNa be harder for evaluators to make decisions. Now like me, personally based off of my moral stance. Again I'm glad it exists and. I don't really care that NBA evaluators lives such as my own and such people at work for NBA teams I don't care that that existence is now more difficult or made more frustrating by this. I just find the incentive structure very strange with it like I I I'm just very thrown by lie. Adam silver wants to go down this road. I guess it. Yeah, that's. Maybe, maybe there's a grand rationale that becomes clear at the end, but right now it seems like they're really scrambling to put together something that doesn't make much sense as to why they're putting it together so that that's why I kind of go back to. Were they afraid of Because again, the college system works out really well doesn't cost them. Anything creates high level competitions, a beautiful minor league It's GonNa. Stay relevant you know you don't have to. Subsidize it through back channels or directly. It's it's A. It's a pretty great situation and. Yet going through some problems in all in best just PR problems more than anything else, but Yeah, it's all. It's all very peculiar Mr DC how this how this goes because truth be told I, mean I, think once you open up. This route. It's Kinda hard to stop doing it. Right take a Lotta agree like Kinda opened up Pandora's box here and maybe it all works out. Maybe they figure it out, but again just a kind of a peculiarity to all of it. Usually doesn't. Come along with something this big usually. There's so much clear plan when you're doing something this theoretically paradigm changing so i. I don't know now. It's all just very weird to me. Glad exists glad that these kids are going to get paid. Glad. They don't have to go to school if they don't want to go to school. The other thing is through the G.. League is going to give scholarships to all of these kids, so they're going to be able to go to college later in life for free, so I think that that's a really great important aspect of this. But. Snowing I'm just going to be very interested to see how it all plays out, because I'm not entirely sold yet that this thing is a better option for all of the stakeholders. College especially when you're talking in like we haven't even talked about the players side of it just because. Like Jalen Green I wonder if he could have. Exceeded the value of his shoe deal by going to Memphis for a year like if he could have exceeded the value of his pre-draft studio by more than five hundred thousand dollars per season right by going to memphis being on TV every year building notoriety about his game, and you're using all over the place because he's an exceptional. Unbelievable player just play in the long gone. Yeah playing the long game like I just wonder if it's even best long-term for these kids but I'll be interested to see what kind of deals. In terms of endorsements that these kids get some not entirely sure there yet either It'll be interesting. Let's move on. Let's talk about the last dance. Yeah I just to get you the floor because you grew up in Chicago. Right were like what probably ten years old when they. Give you the floor. Are you enjoying reminiscing about your? Chicago Bulls while watching the last dance? Yeah, yeah, as we've talked about over the last couple of days couple of weeks. I am. The wheelhouse here I mean this is. This is extremely my shit. As somebody WHO's consumed a tremendous amount of Jordan documentaries and bowls documentaries and books and. Videos and all that content just on a regular basis getting something as theoretically Polish does, this is As. Theoretical like it is very. It's really really well made. I don't know it's. All that it's awesome. Don't get me wrong. I'm not sure it's the be all end all as of right now, it's more awesome than it is good. Right like what I make all of the names all of the interviews. They have so much footage that even someone like me hasn't seen. Some of it. But it feels. It feels a little dragged out at times. Truth be told it feels like they really tried to get ten episodes out of it, whereas like if you did this as three or four holy Shit, Bangers, just you just play only play the hits, and so that we don't have to kind of drag through on some B., roll and talk it out, but it's. It's fantastic it. It really is My. Thought is I need to start seeing in these next couple of episodes the. Inherent, conflict, the behind the scenes stuff with Jordan in practice the stuff that we really that you couldn't easily amalgamate based off of just everything. That's already public domain. that you wouldn't get out of reading the Jordan rules and all that see that's that's where I'm at to like. I want to see more that I. Don't know. I don't think we've seen much that. We don't know like I think. The third episode was like a really great encapsulation of that. They really Kinda went surface. Let on Dennis Rodman Right. It would be great if we were to not just. Teach everybody what Dennis Rodman is, but I understand the need for it because it is a netflix audience. That's eventually going to be watching this. It's not going to be just the ESPN. Sports Fan, audience and Michael Jordan has such a cachet that I do think that it will become an inherently mainstream thing. This is an issue that I think all of us is sports. Fans have issue with. The really struggle with which is what is sports, mainstream is not regular person mainstream, and there's plenty of pop culture crossover, but it is a very clear differential. A lot of people in this country don't care about sports. Differences there's a lot of people who care about it more than they. And so there will always be a strong market, and you can have as many sports networks as we have, and as many sports outlets as we have, and there's a sports section in the newspapers and all this stuff. And they will continue to make money even during these quote, unquote trying times, but especially for international audiences I'm thinking like you k. a because right now. That's where it's airing. it's ESPN and the states day after so Mondays in the UK, and in Ireland in Europe and pretty much everywhere around the world Netflix. It goes live that day, so that I get I get why maybe the scope of the documentary is a little bit wider. That, they're. They're taking a broader view of at all that said. There's enough nostalgia there for somebody like me to where I can get through it. If but if it doesn't start picking up I can very well see people just being like. Yeah, we get it and. Given the fact that we have nothing else going on the fact that that's thought is interesting. Because had this ben going on I believe is supposed to be during the finals. It was supposed to be in. June right, yeah! So this was sort of the gap programming between NBA Finals Games. I'm not sure people would have. Stuck around at after the Dennis Rodman one. Now there's also the fact that. Again the only thing we have going on right now, other than the draft and espn with nothing else to talk about other than the draft again. Is. Hyping this bad boy up like it's nobody's business. It was hyped certainly when they dropped the Docu when the drop the trailer and stuff I believe during last year's finals, they may drop this thing a year early. Year early Oh, is supposed to be doing the twenty twenty one NBA finals will know. They started advertising it though like trailer for it twenty nineteen. Right and in everyone was excited for that, but that doesn't. That's that's fun. That's organic hype, right? It wasn't this whole. They didn't have this. They didn't have this PR machine working for it at all times. I don't think that they would be doing the same things that they're currently doing. Where Scott Van Pelt basically does a talking dead last dance post game show with sportscenter everyday like there would be actual sports. They would be had right, so they would. It would be part of it, and it would be interesting, but you wouldn't. Wouldn't have Stephen. A Smith and Max Kellerman arguing over you know. Did Isaiah Thomas you know like? was He bad snubbed for the Dream Team in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety two. We're not rehashing twenty eight year. Old Sports Talk Radio Topics, so all of that sort of creates a bit of alignment the fact that it hasn't completely blown me away even though I am the target audience. Has Been a bit frustrating, but what are we? This is nitpicking I mean. I'll be honest like. I totally understand what you're saying and I think from. The perspective of like a journalistic documentarian and to t right. Maybe it's not. Like. Exceptional right I mean the the issue. Awesome. It's fucking. Talking honestly I would prefer and I'm glad that they're stacking the episodes because that's just helpful. With become very clear is now that we are in with nothing live going on everything is binge and I'm having a hard time, not watching six eight episodes of something. So I'm glad that they hit least stack them twofer, and maybe that just wet the appetite just enough. The another issue here is that ESPN. has put out what I hold to be. Perhaps the greatest documentary ever made in. That's OJ made in America like that is. The epitome of the genre, the one of the epitome of medium I mean it is a a plus criterion collection all around. Outstanding documentary so you're holding it up against that. I mean it's a hard act to follow and this is doing a very good job in at least punching. Giving itself a chance. Who the hell knows these next couple episodes could. Could be so relevant and interesting that that yeah, it feels it feels like it's on on that par but Does US create a word. They're relatively. No relevant Tori in which to reveal. I? It sounds like a combination of relevant in revelatory. You're right. It is revelatory. Shit! I don't really know what you're saying and I agree but like again. REVELATORY revelatory rebel. You know you're you're revelatory. That like. I'm watching this. and. I am just getting like an adrenaline. Rush every single time that this thing is on like the music. B.'s expect lights that are randomly in their. Michael Jordan. We have to talk about Michael Jordan's like current day interviews whole Jenner. They incredible because the level of don't give a fuck is. There is never been like. We thought that we peaked with Kobe Bryant when it came to like superstar level of. Don't give a fuck. Yeah, Michael Jordan. Is Far exceeding the level of superstar. Don't give a fuck because he knows nobody can touch him like he's out here. Calling Scotty Burrell an alcoholic like in the middle thing like. It's unbelievable Scotty Burrell's out here, trying to coach the southern Connecticut State, University Basketball, team and Michael Jordan's making his life like a million times harder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I'm not sure. Super in on that kind of stuff. And again it's so difficult for me to judge because I'm not even remotely close to. Mainstream and I get. The sort of access not like on the plane and stuff, but like you spend enough time around NBA players on a regular basis. You pick up stuff like that. Just stuff that that should be behind. The curtain just comes through the cracks every now and again in so you know you'll hear guys just talking like ruthless shit to each other in a locker room. Most people don't get most people. Don't get that so again I'm. It's like Oh man like I. I'm sure that that was a much bigger deal for somebody else than for me when I'm just thinking like. Oh, I remember that time when they did that to Jordan Bell essentially the lawyers locker room. Anything and you just kinda start thinking like what's Jordan build own right now. Poor guy. Who brought it upon himself but nevertheless. Made money this George Bellas in the NBA down I. Don't know how much longer that's GonNa be the case but Spent it all on candles, but It's A. Time out. We're going to have to pause on the last dance thing. He spent all candles. Do you not know the Jordan Bell Mike Brown candle scenario. So everybody, at least the warriors stay at the peabody hotel in Memphis when they play the grizzlies, and it's the one that has the duck walk thing. and. It's a very famous hotel, so they have like a gift shop of like peabody hotel items, and Jordan Bell for whatever reason decided to charge. An some items. which was the peabody? Hotel Candle. Couple of them to assistant coach Mike Brown's room and. It didn't go over well. When Mike Brown is I'm not paying for these candles like who did this like? If if it was a prank that went way wrong. It wasn't that funny to begin with. And then it was not accepted as a joke and I believe bell got suspended for conduct detrimental from the warriors net pretty much ended his spell with golden. State and then he was with. For candles. Yeah, it was all about the peabody. By the way, I i. have smelled a delightful sent as a big fan of candles. Personally you could, you could do worse. Oh my God. That's amazing, but you think about that kind of stuff. Right those kind of. Those are the kind of things you think about where you're just like Jesus. These really given it to them. And then you realize that is you know. I don't know I spend my. Gordon walking onto the plane, talking about how the Denver Broncos beat the packers in the suitable. We all know Michael. Jordan made a killing on that super bowl. I think about Draymond Green. A lot during documentaries is what I'm trying to say. With the Rodman a little bit, too. Because Drey has been drained lake four more days of quarantine away from. Outwardly wild. He, right, he's so close to now. He's already crossed that line man. I will appreciate it because. dray with no caps lock. That's essentially entire life he just he cannot help but tell the unfiltered truth about everything including when he's dunking on himself, but. Yeah, no, it's. Much it's good shit I need I want to get away from some of the backstory stuff. I want to get away from the character development stuff that the documentaries wanting to do and I wanNA get into nitty gritty final season. INS and outs machinations of of. Everything that was going on because I feel like that's the most engaging stuff behind the scenes stuff with that teen. The clips of. All the plane and in there in the hallway and Krause, Film Scotty the holding out in Dennis and all that stuff, and then it feels like every time it starts to really get going in your kind of fully engrossed. They're just like. Let's get back to reveal Jackson living in Montana. That's like now. Here's the thing on that though. Apple we're at the point now where they've gone through Jordan, Pippen Rodman and Phil Jackson already on these. Ron Harper bio out of like I guess my point is like I don't think we're going to get that. Like I think we're fine. Riley now like episodes like five through eight, probably going to get really into like the details of the season because they've set the table now in like maybe like Jerry Krause episode, which by the way the Jerry Krause stuff in the Leyland fucking disrespected that motherfucker breasts and beast I guess like. That's unbelievable. That's not. That Michael started his his hall of fame. Speech with Jerry Krause here. I don't know who invited about their fucker. Didn't Oh, yeah, like it's very clear that Michael Jordan does not have. Any respect whatsoever for the man that built this team, so that stuff is really interesting to me that stuff I wanna see more of I want to see more of the internal dynamics of Michael Jordan just yelling at everyone in practice. Not because we know that that's GONNA come. Listen this will this will all be worth it if there is video Steve Kerr getting punched in the face by Michael Jordan. Steve Kerr. Car's been like just so reasonable, eminently enjoyable, and then like the guy that you feel bad for watching this whole thing, John Paxson, because still impacts never would've taken over the bulls. He would have been a legend in Chicago for the rest of his life, and made not as much money to their two game winning shots for in the NBA finals. Series winning shots in the NBA finals in his Goddamn career and everyone in Chicago can't stand the fucker. I will say this as much as the krause stuff. Hit different just as a child, the Chicago because there's one thing that. All Chicago Area DADS and that is a deep hatred of Jerry Krause and particularly de Patriot of his handpicked coaching choice. Tim Floyd My Dad is a a huge sports fan by any stretch of the imagination I don't think he could name more than a guy or two on the current bowls he's. He'll watch some golf I? Mean that's that's kind of where he's at. That dude hates Tim Floyd with a fiery passion I. Mean It is, it is deep and unrelenting. You can't say the name. Tim Floyd around Doug Curtain without getting like. Visceral anger from him, because he blames krause and Floyd for okay fine, even if the team broke up, it's like why do you get rid of Phil? Phil Jackson out of full of it. You figure it out, but Yeah it's. All of these things I. It's mostly rehashing of memories and things I heard about and things that I technically live through, but didn't understand That's really cool the bio stuff like. Again I knew all that stuff like. That's the stuff that that you remember when you're ten years old and you're. Getting Your Book Fair. Michael Jordan biography. Stuff like I'm looking for something. That's not going to be in the scholastic edition of Michael Jordan. You know a wife above the road the Dan? What's a little child story? Exactly just please give me something other than that. That'd be great. Again. I can't emphasize this enough. This documentaries awesome. Yes, yes, so much fun! We are allowed to nitpick because we are also apparently allowed to debate twenty eight year old topics as if they are brand, new and fresh. So this is all part of our very strange sports ecosystem at the time picking something that is unquestionably an a. Wondering wondering maybe why isn't an a plus yet? But again if we get that, safeguard getting punched in the face thing I'll shut the fuck up and just fascinated. I WanNa talk about a few things that really stand out positively. I think that the style with which it's directed, I think that the editing is really good. In terms of propelling you through the story. The music is exceptionals. Deserves a second match mentioned? It's amazing. And era appropriate, which I find this often yes, difficult for documentaries. They'll yes it up a little bit near an they nailed it. The you know what you're talking about. Especially for a documentary that swoops in and out of era, so frequently up being very era appropriate with the soundtrack. Music is a clutch. In. It's just super like it's super. Fun I mean just watching Michael Jordan about this. The Jordan interviews in this thing have been off the charts. They are by far the most interesting thing in this documentary, and it's because Michael. Jordan speaks so rarely route topics like this The ownership is a candidate. It's always great every single time it flashes to that baby blue shirt that he's wearing an you. See the Scotch. Tequila whatever it is. His Brand Tequila probably a five hundred dollar cigar. It's five hundred five hundred dollar cigar. I need all of that in my life I I think ESPN. Should release a pay per view of the Uncut Michael Jordan interviews. Yes, people will legitimately pay hundreds of dollars to see that if you show every single moment of his interview for the last dance documentary. ESPN give me two percent COTTAM athlete. Difficulty that is the best idea anyone has come up with for you to continue to make money. You just call it. The Jordan cut and it's just Michael Jordan. Talking Yes for fourteen hours straights, so many people will watch it. I'd watch. I watch Michael Jordan. The what I'll say this as much as we say, Jordan doesn't talk candidly or openly about the bulls and his path and all that stuff. That's accurate. Right like he did a good morning. America thing as to like pat himself on the back, and you know to be fair credit credit there. He built a hospital in Charlotte Right. The Michael Jordan Hospital and he was drinking his own Tequila at the hospital with Good Morning America it was a fascinating thing like that was that was a big deal. That was a big deal there. I'm somebody who enjoys a cigar in so I will get cigar aficionado youtube like the algorithm will pop up and he's done I. Think too long form. Sit Down interviews with cigar aficionado, fascinating stuff, favorite thing in the world. Dude cannot recommend the cigar aficionado mamoon. Sit Down with. Able else no one Gar. Fishing, David Aldridge I mean he'd sit down for mob. Amount Shabas on the payroll like it's a, but he'll sit down with. He'll sit down with this old crusty white dude from Cigar Aficionado because he knows that that guy's GonNa bring his best shit in Michael's going to be allowed to smoke it. It is they're fantastic cannot recommend them enough by the way cigar aficionado. I don't subscribe, but they have incredible interviews. It's it's just totally different. I feel like it's. Everyone feels like they could talk extremely candidly, because only rich other rich dudes are going to read it. Populous populous will never find out, but. Under their Amman to them. Okay the last thing about here is this poll. The Tim Bontemps duty. SPN, he went around to twenty scouts, executives, coaches, and asked Luanch John Mirant Zaim Williamson or Trey Young. Which Young Star would you build around and I think the results came back. Basically what you anticipate Ludovic ones I'm Williams into John Rant three trae young four right? That feels right to you. Right feels right. I will say. Luca got all but three first place. Votes jump Manton facts got two first place votes I only got one. Out of the twenty. That makes sense I don't disagree. I am surprised that only there was only one vote for his. I stay. Understand inherently why they're certainly a higher injury risky is a post player I guess in an era of perimeter scores and the three point shot. But Saigon's marketability is so high compared even to a guy like Luca who I think has a tremendous amount of marketability that hasn't yet been captured at least in the United States i. don't know what's going on overseas, and maybe John has to, but who's to say. Zairean is a household name. He was very lucky. I guess I'll all three of four. These guys are very lucky that they have distinctive. First names are a distinctive name to which they can be. Singular household names, but Zion's phenomenon and On the basketball side. Yes, you go with Luca but on the business side. I'm surprised that maybe that has didn't seep through as much because I'm sure if you've pulled owners. I Bet Zion would win. Yes. I think I. Agree with you on that. I think he's. I think long term. He probably is more. Marketable than job. Certainly for the next two years, he more marketable. I. I don't think it's even remotely. Just something and we have to take away the context of jaws in Memphis like if John was on the New, York Knicks. That would be a completely different beast, so you kind of split the difference there. Same to a degree with with. With Zion. He was on the next her on the clippers or somebody like that. It would be fourteen twenty x. what we're getting now, but my my stances I just think that. Zairian is already. Already something. Pretty phenomenal when it comes to selling ticket selling jerseys. I don't know selling shoes yet. He's he something like a shack and let's not forget. That shack was a huge huge deal. marketing wise, and then obviously on the court as well So. Listen! There's no question that Lucas the right answer on this. As a player even though I'm very high on its Luca Lucas an MVP candidate already he plays. He doesn't need to adapt his game to play the modern era basketball. He is the modern game of basketball. In so many ways He's bigger and stronger than Josh and trae young East playing essentially the same position, but he's he's already a full grown man. He's already dominated other full grown men. He's starting to dominate the NBA full grown men. It is It's he. He's unbelievably exceptional. End but again the the business side of things I think that a Zion might have. been underrated here a little bit by by some of by some of the GM's and executives around only. I'm surprised that only one person to Zion but I definitely think that the answer is. Luca Danni Church. There's just no downside. Who would you say Luca? Who would you vote second because I can also see the argument for job in that he is hyper explosive. SUPERFUND. He's already shown that he can be a plus leader The ceiling is the roof for this guy to steal a line from Michael Jordan like he is, he is unbelievable builder, but. Unbelievable in in what it is, he's been able to do so far in his professional career. Is it, is it? You take. It to. What separates if we're talking about just on court, will I mean Zion I. I've made the argument for months now that I think science a top ten player in the NBA right now that's aggressive. I. Get it, but he's in a conversation of the elite of the elite. As we as we currently talk I. Had Joz all MBA. Caliber player obviously Luca first team in that regard What where where are the separation points? Obviously Lucas one. You'RE GONNA Have Zion to how closers I on John Situation in your eyes. I would say I. Think it's pretty. Clear cut that I would take Zion. Drummer. Ant is going to make an NBA team. He's going to make multiple NBA teams to be spectacular. I think is going to be the best player in the NBA at some point. Obviously then you'll be able. You also believe that. That Luka is going to be the best player in the NBA at some point to slow. I think Zion's upside is absolutely higher than Lucas. But I think it's impossible to not account for the downside risk of Zion's injuries in like the potential for Zion to get hurt. In not just take, what is the surefire? Thing in. Luke Donncha ch like you know that look. is a top five top three offensive player in the NBA. Right now, right? You know that you've no reason to believe. He's going to continue to have injuries was I on I. Think there's reasonably pinch might get hurt I think it's pretty clear reason to believe that considering it's already. Right so like. In terms of talent anxiety is going to be the best player in the world at some point I do if he stays healthy, but I can't. It's same thing when people would ask me. Five years ago or whatever it was four years ago. Would I rather have? Karl Anthony towns or Joel embiid after Joel, Embiid thirty-three game rookies. Again. I still would have been very comfortable taking Karl Anthony towns in building around the certainty that that guy. Right. At the right play. Is that the right play? No, it wasn't because Joel Embiid is clearly exceeded. Towns is a basketball player. I guess the other part of this is what what is the scope by which it's being viewed right? Are we talking about when it's all said and done. Are we talking about the next five years ten years? These things matter because if it's Joel embiid in, you're saying next five years. It's like well. Okay, it's still Joel. But fuck I mean towns up until this year had been healthy. one squat. He hasn't seemed to show a commitment to actually play any defense whereas Joel embiid when he's healthy and add is best is arguably the NBA's best defender arguing. He's in that conversation for sure in the conversation for sure and. Is An exceptional offensive player as well? Underrated almost as an offensive weapon. There's no question that you take. Joel over towns across the board, but when you added injuries in the fact that. I. Don't know if this dude is going to be able to give me sixty every year much less eighty two That's a factor that has to be considered. That has to be taken into consideration if the gap wasn't as large as it was, we have a more interesting conversation there. I don't want to extrapolate. That happened with Zion this year. That's not fair I don't think it's proven. It makes me Kinda Sad. There's the. You're hoping you're hoping one done, but he's A. He's a hefty ladd. Who can jump very high just doesn't seem like a a recipe for long term success there. I'm no bio. I don't understand bio mechanics all that well, but I do understand. Wait in gravity and knees and I. Don't I don't think that it goes well for some joint along along that chain. it whereas Luca has that deft. You know kind of Chunky Man Ymca game going on. Image James Harden or kind of rock in the same. Same thing and it bodes well for for longevity so There's something to be said there. It's A. It's nice though that we're at a point with in the NBA where trae young. Is Not even in this conversation and yet has a chance to still be really really good and really really interesting. I also hear your trade. Exceptional I don't want to minimize trae Young's place in this conversation I think jaw is closer to trae then he is i. think about where we were your ago and that conversation mean you'd have Luca in there. There was still some argument. I don't think it was right. And certainly hindsight proves incorrect, but there was still some argument on. If the Hawks did the right thing. I don't think anyone argued that. The Mavericks came out like Gangbusters, but did the thing. and. You know who else was really in that conversation of the next. Great The next great superstar. Remember! It's a good point. Now an idea for. Don't even more than four to be honest. No, for sure for sure for sure, but like there are four that have separated themselves to the point where Bob. Temps didn't make it five. That says perogatives and I don't think I disagree with them now. I don't know if anybody for this year's class is going to be changing. Don't Mat and becoming the fifth. I don't know if anyone to twenty twenty one as the potential do. Twenty one is a yes twenty there. There will be kids from twenty twenty one that will enter this conversation, but no one from twenty twenty, but yeah. It's Yeah, it's just it's a good place to be. You want the established stars you want the up and coming stars and you want. You want the fresh new young stars that have a chance to throw. You have to have multiple generations at greatness for league to be fully healthy. And for Let's be honest for a little bit there. I didn't feel like that was the case in the NBA. The parody is always lacked because it's a superstar of League but The parody in having superstars felt like it was lacking. Teams didn't even feel like they can have a guy who developed into one who turned into that Basically, you were drafting a already made thing and hoping it all worked out, or you're getting super lucky. Right and you get a Colli. Leonard late late know middle the first round so It's nice that the talent is such to where. There's equal opportunity in so many places other than apparently Chicago in New York. Or the last thing here do you WanNa WanNa? Give some strong NFL draft picks. I think the virtual draft is better than the radio city music. Cleveland yell the. Bullshit that they do I think that the pomp and circumstance that they put around. The draft was always weird. inherently as I've said I think a couple of times already like one of the silver linings of this whole pandemic. Is that so much pretense and nonsense is getting stripped away from things. This is an accelerator in so many areas of just day to day. Life things that were eventually going to happen are are being forced to happen now. and I think that the intimacy of being in homes being with family Roger Goodell in the chair, almost fallen asleep between picks on day to like there was a very real human element to it that honestly they had escaped. By putting on these big ass shows over the years and turning more and more into an event I think that I think that that's a lesson that maybe more so than me saying. Oh, I thought the packers, did this thing stupid? Which I think they did, or all the forty niners in the raiders, and the broncos and the Ravens killed at all. that. The lesson from all of this is. People just want to see people and they like things changing and they don't need. Yell Fireworks and I think they were gonNA use a pontoon boat to take players across the Bellagio fountains. Stand on the stage I don't want that. I don't want that this is this is a conference call, but they've now just added layers, layers and layers to. It was nice to get back to the conference call, and by the way like I think the biggest takeaway is Incredible work by SPN NFL network, and all these people espn might of overdone it with the the heartbreaking and the the quote, unquote human side of things it got to the point where I like I said I turned it off, and just purely started watching bleacher reports coverage right, which is very similar to like how the MLB draft goes where it's like sitting in a studio and reading names and give a scouting report, and then they move onto the next one. That's what I'm looking for That's what I want A. Enjoy at first the orchestration of all that having to get you know these iphones, sevens, or whatever on tripods into everyone, as somebody, who very much values, the fiber speed Internet that I have here at my home and it's it's one of the reasons that I moved particularly to this island to this part of town like I I was over slow Internet and paying xfinity for anything in so. I know the difficulty in bandwidth. In trying to do yellow, basically work from home telecommuting kind of stuff and put on a draft in that way is Crazy crazy to me and and for all of these teams to be able to basically put their war rooms in the GM's living room. Not that crazy 'cause they have enterprise level it, but credit ESPN credit to Trey Wingo, who had to orchestrate all of it? I think. It went so well. They're not gonNA obviously in hopefully just because things get better. They're obviously not going to keep the. Basics of that, but some of the elements that came through because. There was no option we have to do it this way. I, think that it was extremely informative and will make better product. Going forward and I think that you know maybe us as content, creators and sports, fans, and sportswriters, talkers and shit like that intimacy. that. They were able to tap into whether accidentally or deliberately is so valuable, and that's something to really think about. Going forward which which I enjoy it I enjoyed learning something about the the industry. Yeah I think that's all true I think. Like what was your favorite part of it I won't Jerry Jones drafting from a yacht every year and I want cliff Kingsbury. Flex Cliff Kings Berries Scottsdale Manchin is exactly what I needed. I so envious it was. That looks like the greatest place on earth. My my favorite comment on twitter with that was. It was. What do you think cliff Kingsbury does for a living? When when you see this house in, someone just responded cocaine. Say. That looks like a drug man salves. It looks like he doesn't have any photos who doesn't have anything. It's just like God. Damn the amount of parties you could have in that place. Oh my God. Yeah I. Mean Talk About picks at all like I. think that everyone way over thought it with Isaiah Simmons like he's just a monster. Yeah, I thought well somebody WHO's big on sparks course in like general athletic testing by I have to imagine his spark is the highest number. It's not that I I don't actually see the full on spark scores. What I do is I. Spend a lot of time on this site called mock draft. which basically spider charts for all? Scores and produced, but the way that it I eventually started using it in Texan phone calls is his circle and boy. Does he have a very full circle up and? I would I spent a lot of time in just referencing. Other players that are currently in the NFL, right so like Julio Jones is almost entirely ninety percent tiles, and we're just like well of course Calvin Johnson. Same thing US look at some of the greats, just like these percentiles you look at some of the guys who were fifth round picks that burst, and it's like yeah. He was ninetieth percentile and all these athletic testings, and so he's playing some scheme in college. That doesn't capitalize on any of that comes to the NFL gets into the right. System right coach and explodes like that's the George biddle thing George Kendall Athletic Monster, but he played it Iowa where they made a blocking tight end, because they don't like throwing the ball by the way the making him a blocking tight end also made him like an incredible. Blocking ends in the NFL. He might be the best, but we can get into that conversation later. He's unbelievable and it also shows that blocking isn't so much physical stature as much as it is just wanting to block somebody you have to have some physical stature, but what you really have to have as a desired actually do it but so my my stance is very clear. In the first round, you need to be drafting an athletic freak who also has a high motor who also produced at the college level? You have to get all three. You can't sacrifice actor, athlet, athletic, upside or production. Mike. Should be the first defender taken unquestionably, he hit. He checks all the boxes He's a high character kid. He was dominant in college and he's got a big old full circle like there was just no doubt about it. Same with Nick Bosa the year prior like quarterbacks, it gets really tricky, though I do think that the athletic testing is going to become more and more valuable for quarterbacks, especially with the spreading out of the game and the deterioration of offensive lines, and basically every defensive line, having a bunch of dudes like. You're going to have to see more mobility at that position. I think that the floor for that went up massively in the last year next year. It's going to be the more I think. Tyler is going to win the MVP I think that the entire sport the entire physician is going to change. Almost irrevocably and dramatically Really next year. We've already seen a lot of change in relating Taylor Murray. Is GonNA WIN MVP next year? Yes, a while. It is targeted on that with you. Sure I can get good odds on it. I haven't been able to find odds yet, and I literally check every morning so that I can get them and plunk down a whole bunch of money I love what Arizona's doing I think they I think they got it figured the fuck out and. That division is really tough. It's the toughest division football bar none. They got the nineties in the division, the SEAHAWKS. I don't understand what they were doing in the draft. Just like it always happens, which always happens in. Don't over. Think it because they'll find. Some guy in the fifth round makes up for the guy in the first round. They had no business in the first round and we move on and on and on. The rams still have a great coach. Their rosters the mess. I learned a lot about west need in that They cut to clearly like the poolhouse at his house in Malibu and Their their training facilities in thousand oaks, so I learned a lot about less need in his ability to make good decisions, because he is somebody who has decided to take the drive Malibu if you can live, live in Malibu, but not if you have to go over the mountains every day to get two thousand oaks I've done that drive a couple of times in my life, because my my grandfather lives in thousand oaks, and if you're gonNA, drive up from L. A., you might as well take the one. AMC. I'm seeing ten to one collar Mary ten to one. That's not that great about. It's not that great. I was excited for it to be like twenty to twenty five to one. Where did you see that? It's on Bova like a cast. Providers got bad lines. I do, but nonetheless might be able to find it. I'll still take ten to one. I feel strongly about it, but. Your Zone. It's got to figure it out. Simmons is going to be a monster. They're my frustration with that was that the draft pretty much went the way I thought it would go more or less like to. The dolphins is going to be a fun. Interesting thing Herbert stands a chance now because he's not going to be thrown into a situation where he has to go now, he can get a little bit of seasoning. Seasoning tyrod Taylor's really underrated and more than capable of managing that team, Philip rivers suck last year like the notion that tyrod. Taylor isn't better than whatever Philip rivers was last year is laughable to me. so feel good about the chargers situation, but like I love Matt. Rule have no matt rule for a long time Matt. Rule is a tremendous leader of men I think he's a really smart football guy He we, we go back to South Florida him at Temple, getting prospects I. Don't understand what he was doing with their Brown. Derek Brown is a high motor guy. He had a lot of production at Auburn. He also has almost no athletic upside whatsoever I. Mean it is laughable. Some of the combine numbers and stuff you put up he's. He's a run stopper. That drafted seven. I mean it was like a full on name Eshelman move. Good number for you any leave Isaiah Simmons on the board. Get the fuck out here. You just lost leuke clearly like go out and hit yourself arranging middle linebacker. I totally agree with you. They should have just taken Simmons, but more importantly that MGM on their New Jersey. New Jersey APP, you can get Collar Murray at twenty five to one damn I am ready so fucking. We're Goebel we're. This is okay great. Yeah I love Isaiah Simmons and totally agree with you. The panthers way over thought this. was very clear that the panthers wanted to remake their defense. I liked a lot of the other guys that they got on defense like I like their late around picks when you then sacrifice on production like that's the thing with day three. You're picking up a guy with athletic upside, or you're picking up a guy who produced a bunch in college, but isn't that super. went out and got like youth mottos and Jeremy Chin in. Going to be fun. Yeah, and they got the kid from the. xfl Kenny Robinson. Robinson's game. Like Stevens is going to be really good. I'm not worried like I think just way over thought the Simmons versus Brown thing. I think people. I don't know what the raiders were doing. Either Alkali site overthink Jerry Judy to Jerry Judy's monster I didn't like that I disagree with Jerry Judy Think Judy Judy's a slot receiver. This was my hot take. I'm fine with that the. Well, yeah, but like you have to understand where I'm coming from like my hot taken, it got me in some hot water around these parts, because the niners were clearly targeting receiver, but like I got to look at it from directly the forty niners focus and understanding their offense and I'm like there's no way Jerry Judy can play the position that they need him to play. which is outside x Split End Receiver? He like he can't Deebo Samuel can't do that. Depot's izzy receiver. So that's that's a different. That's a different beast. The X Z are very. There's a big differentiation between the two of them, so it's Brandon you the twenty fifth pick that they traded up to get. He's the guy who that will probably be the axe in the X.. They saw last year with Emmanuel Sanders when he came in How that changed and IU has a big Ole circle by the way Emmanuel Sanders? Yes, he's about ten year separated from Andy's coming off of an Achilles. Achilles injury that he had a denver but Emmanuel. Sanders was like a combine for week insane with Pr Garson. Those are two guys. Everyone thinks Oh. Well Koch Shanahan. He loves the extra. SEAVER will yeah. You bought the X. Receiver position to if you had Julio fucking Jones, but there's no Julio Jones in this draft that you look at the other guys that Shanahan has had playing x receiver, and it was Garcia. At, it was Emmanuel Sanders last year. You look at. He is absolutely perfectly in that exact same bolt so I'd expect him to be the starter there that move made a lot of sense going out and getting John Ken Lot to South Carolina who's basically an unrefined super athlete. Who's just massive and has this huge? He composed wildly productive by the way while productive because he was just. Just out doing every. You couldn't put boys in front of them like you need to full grown. And in that system, which is a they have this bullshit like all gas, no breaks nonsense there, but like you watch it and you're like. Yeah, these almost like reckless in how aggressive they are in just trying to shoot gaps and stunting and stuff like there's no refinement there. It's just athletic freaks getting getting off the line as fast as they can do it a move, maybe and trying to get to the quarterback. There's no bill belichick containment or anything. It's kill kill. Kill, kill. Kill you'll fit perfect, but. The raiders I don't mind the. Rugs move like I liked I think rubs. Nine again like this is the team that prioritize getting Antonio Brown last year. He has. The closest thing I've seen Dantonio. Brown on College I. Agree with the I did agree with you until I had a buddy of mine. Who is spent a lot of time at Alabama, and now is in an NFL front office when I was talking about judy and I go feel like. He asked me what I thought. The niners will do, and I say well I think they probably go with Judy given this and that and he goes. They're not gonNA. Go Judy in like okay well why he goes watched the tape again and notice where he's at in situations where it's clear is clearly going to be man to man coverage. An Alabama hit him in the slot. Every single time we'll end. Alabama ran like that crazy. RPO offense for like a lot of a lot of stuff was I. Think I think Judy will be wildly. One re pass, and then like maybe a second read I think I think judy will be wildly productive with the broncos because he'll be in the slot now i. don't like the fact that they went out and got Hamblur, too. Because he's a slug is well, we'll see. We'll see, but he doesn't I think you move guys in and out I. think that they're going to be a really good position. He's going to be a good player. He just doesn't have the athletic. Right so now you're relying entirely route. You're relying on route running, which is extremely valuable kind of crap, shoot and again if you're picking in the first round I. Don't like guys who don't have the athletic upside. I want the production and the upside because you're drafting a day one starter if he's in the top fifty picks so. I was just Kinda down in that regard with rugs. It's like you can't teach that speed. I think that. Maybe, the different offense than than the raiders but like. You See tyreek Hill twice in your division every year like if we're being for being real about it like I'm only really comparing judy to rugs because they played on the same team like I would have taken CD lamb. Just been happy. I'm surprised. Lamb fell. That said it's so hard to get a read on big twelve receivers. It's hard to get a read on pretty much any receivers, but then you watch him. At least he was outside the numbers most of the time they did hide him in the slot every now and again so that he can get free released, but he was getting free release on the outside, too, so you have no idea what he does against a press. I would that on it, but again now you're betting on? To are so it was really tough. It was a really deep receiving classed. The high end. Just wasn't there and I I hate I hate that when people are like. Oh, it's really, didn't I'm sure you you. You run into the same thing. All the time like this was his deep receiving classes. I can't remember they were. The Guy. Running into. Run into it in the NBA draft with all the point guards, 'cause there are sixteen point guards that have a chance to go in the first round this year, but but as but in the same situation. That doesn't mean that there's another steph curry another Kyrie irving right like there's not hundred percent restaurant. Just because it's deep doesn't mean that it. It's top heavier as the wrong. That has the high end it could start at eighty as opposed to one hundred and still have a bunch of dudes between eighty. Seventy five. Whereas sometimes sometimes, you just have a guy who's at a ninety five, and then you drop down and everybody else's sixty. I don't I don't know. I loved a lot of the receivers in this class, but I I wasn't shocked that it was. A little less chalk than a lot of people made it out to be. In this town. Yeah, yeah! I could go on for literally hours. Do we do the Damon Arnett thing real quick. Yeah let's do the Damon. Are Nothing because I like? But. That's the worst pick in the draft I. It's hard to argue I'm not a big fan of the playing value game thing because if he's the right pick, no one remembers if he was overdrafted or under drafted. It doesn't help that I'm not optimistic like it. It doesn't help that he's always going to be. The Guy who was overdrafted. Tonight S to live up to a standard that frankly he should never had thrust upon him, but My stances. This cornerback in general is a complete crap shoot. There's only like two schools in the entire country that play. A system that is transferable at all to the NFL and that's Ohio state and sometimes Lsu. Certain Systems Alabama. It's. I only trust Ohio state cornerback I wouldn't have drafted, Khuda is high as he was drafted, but like he was far and away. The best wasn't that I like I just don't know who's good and who's not in the athletic testing, the spark scores in the circles and all that stuff it. There's no clear indication of like. I can't figure out supposed to be. Our next sparks score. Look like because I would imagine it's not rape became like a four or five the combine. It wasn't like. Doesn't have super long arms, and if you just watch the tape like even our net like I watch Dan, wonder every Ohio state game like this is one of the things that I feel pretty good talking about. Let me end Bert a little bit too often, especially the last three years and then like. WanNa. Say that he turns like twenty four this year. Oh! I don't know if. He might he might. Yeah, he turns twenty four September. YIKES! I thought he was a fringe. First Round prospect and I was very high on him. Compared to everybody else, and that's just because. I thought that he was overaggressive at Ohio state and so he burned a bunch. I. Don't know if you coach that out of them or not, but I I just. I think that it's easier for Ohio. State cornerbacks to transfer to the NFL than it is for anybody else. Where basically you're just role at Tyson. Hoping it comes up here at so if you're in the first round and you go to Ohio state okay, I wouldn't have been shocked at thirty. Two nineteen was ridiculous. And let's be real. He was probably a third round prospect. Yes. It's kind of what I thought. Is there. What did you think about K. J. Hill going as late as he did? Because I thought that was those amnesty. I really liked K. jail. He's an incredible slot receiver. His hands are unbelievable. He has very good at getting separation. He'll play for the like I think. You'll make the chargers I thought. He was a day to day three option just for a team that decided like listen high floor. Los I figured he'd go like in the fourth round I figured. That's all the tool. Stuff just wouldn't be there like teams would be like. He's five eleven and. Bursting very small and like he's. He didn't run like a wild time I. Don't don't concerns the forty either so like I figured he'd go around four or five round seven's nuts that dupleix. Hands are unbelievable to. Could be fair I mean. He had an eleventh percent broad jump sixteen percent, sixteenth, percent, vertical, seventeen, four, six, forty, which ride receivers slowest hell. Especially small one yeah I mean. It's got big. Get why you fell I. Do like I'm not going to sit here and deny that like an again. We're talking about him. Oh, he should have gone. You know maybe early. Fifth Round does oppose still a day. Seven Guy I thought he could have snuck on day to just because he produced so well, and he was clearly Ohio states go-to Guy. Like when they needed to play like, get the ball the hill. They needed a first down. Alavi was the guy that like. Near the end of the season like really emerged as just being a monster, but you know when you need a first down. You need seven yards Caja Hills. The guy what was wild to me is how the first three picks of the draft all spent time at Ohio state. Yes, like damn right. They did know it's just like Holy Shit like. That are Meyer guy might be a sleazebag, but that Croup. Yes he can. The last thing. I WanNa talk about the packers. How how wild was the packers draft? Anytime that you draft a full back in the third round, and it's not even remotely close to the top story. You fucked up. Yeah I think that this was one of the worst draft I've seen the longtime. The forty niners traded up to twenty-five. Were going to move up to take a wide receiver. And then they took Jordan Love I. DO wonder if like. Maybe there's a chance they were going to take you. In then. But that's that's that's. That's something that the raiders have done a couple two years in a row were they drafted just after the niners, and they've both had the same boards essentially, so like the the night took Mike Lynch. Believe number nine. They took Colton biller like a later because they were like. Oh, we really WANNA mcglinchey. And then the raiders had Bosa, as everyone should have never went on their board, and then they didn't get him, so they're like who's the next best defensive end? Even the gap was tremendous. We're take Farrell. No are very. Very good at this like. At least the management of the asset. I think the same shit kind of happened with the packers there where it's like. Oh, we didn't get the guy that we wanted. All Right? Who's next on our boards. It's a quarterbacks like don't think too hard about it except that you have to pay Aaron Rodgers like. Forty million dollars a year for the next three like that's the part that fucks me up with it because I'm like why I think it's bad move. is because Elliott has nothing to do with the fact that you think if you think Jordan. Love is good if you think towards bad and that's. The most valuable asset in football right now is a quarterback on a rookie scale deal and you're wasting. You're wasting because you literally can't get off of Aaron Rodgers without blowing thirty five million on your salary cap sheet for the next two years, and then even the year after the atom. Pretty sure, it's like twenty million, so don't you're losing the most valuable part of this? I? I'm down on Aaron Rodgers in general like I spent a lot of time studying Aaron Rodgers this past year because they played the forty niners in the AFC, championship game, and I think Roger's Kinda sucks now like. You're not in Aaron Rodgers. Guy I still find I think I think Aaron Rodgers at a time could have made the argument. His peak was he was as good as any quarterback in the history of the NFL at at the peak of powers. Those powers are long past him. He plays chicken shit football these days. He looks more interested in protecting his passer rating than he is about making plays I mean he is. It's like passive. Aggressive football I'm so out on them I think the floor is out on them. The problem is okay fine. You're done with them like. Is he going to retire they? You can't get off that deal. No one's GonNa, no one I. Don't think there's a team in the NFL. WHO's dumb enough to take on the full brunt of Aaron Rodgers is contract very strong. Disagree you very strong. Just because there are stupid teams. Either stupid teams and be, he's still like a top sixteen quarterback in the NFL. Even if you WANNA be uncharitable. Okay. I I don't WanNa I. DON'T WANNA. Get into it. I'll say this. I I would bet you that if that. When because what Mike Sando does, the quarterback tears every year right? Yeah, I will guarantee you. He's in the top sixteen. I, I don't think. I. Don't think that you I. Think Santa's wrong I don't think that that's incorrect, but it's not going to be Sando. It's going to be them reaching out and doing votes from NBA know you're at your NFL front office this. You're right and I guarantee you this. I think Aaron Rodgers is gonNA. Make Great Las Vegas Raider. And he'll really enjoy throwing. It Dan rea rugs once every three months because he doesn't WANNA. Throw it deep ever because that's where interceptions happen. Interceptions are bad for his NFL best passer rating all time and I think he cares more about the actually winning games. ooh, that's a take. We're going to end it on that day. We're going to end it on that. Tell the people that you find your words. At on twitter Saturday. Jose Mercury News for the time being we'll see. I've got an NBA mock draft coming tomorrow on Wednesday. I'll have a podcast about maybe on Friday or so. We're back podcasting said. There's nothing going on in sports right now. It was my birthday like a week and a half ago. Needed some time here, figure it out gas. Figure it out on the back of like when Shit Happens San. We'll talk about it. Yeah, right like the. World all good. We're all good here, so keep it locked to your, but until next time. We will talk soon bye.

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Skip Bayless X Michael Jordan: Untold Stories From "The Last Dance"

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Skip Bayless X Michael Jordan: Untold Stories From "The Last Dance"

"Nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight was the best year my career in nineteen ninety eight. I was the columnist for the Chicago. Tribune. And I had the honor and the privilege of getting to know Michael Jordan in writing about the Games through what Phil Jackson was calling. The last dance for Jordan's bulls. I got to see the last dance from the inside out. So with this documentary airing. I thought I would tell you. Some of my favorite inside Michael Jordan. One Thousand Nine Hundred. Ninety eight stories number one took place on March tenth that year at the United Center. I went to cover a game between the Bulls and the visiting Miami Heat would one nine of ten. They were chasing the Bulls for the top spot in the eastern conference. The heat were known for their physicality. Their motto was brutality without regret and they had been brutal on the Bulls in their previous meeting in Miami in January. It was ninety nine to seventy two Miami. And I don't know what the Sean Leonard Heat Guard had said to Michael Jordan that night in Miami but he either said or did something or maybe Michael invented because sometimes Michael imagined slights imagined trash-talk. That wasn't actually uttered so that night in the rematch at the United Center. I witnessed something I'd never ever seen before and haven't seen since when the heat would shoot free throws you would think Michael Jordan at six six should take a spot along the lane to rebound nip. The Sean littered always went back for the heat to the far free. Throw line just to stand back on defense. Michael would go with the Sean Leonard Every time. Stand right next to him. Shawn was six four and lean down into his ear Inn. Just trash talking through the entire free throw sequence. He did it every time. It was brutality. Almost unfair he destroyed poor vashon. Psychologically and then he destroyed him physically. The Great Craig Saver Sager. Excuse me later reported that Michael had said something like and I'm sure this is the cleaned up version. You can't guard me. Why are you even trying? That's what he was saying to Sean. I don't know what it was but Michael went for thirty seven points that lie that night and it was just destruction. I never see things like it. It's like he had to take it all out from the ninety nine to seventy two game on the Sean Leonard in. That was my first big taste of Michael. Jeffrey Jordan story number two took place not too long. After April Twenty nine was at New Jersey. During the playoffs the Bulls had won the first two games at the United Center. Close Games hard-fought Games in that night in Jersey that arena was on fire because those folks thought that maybe they could muster something up and win a couple of games and force. This was a five game series. Maybe four game five back at the United Center. Enduring the game Michael Jordan began to score that night. He went for thirty eight in nearly every time he made a shot. He ran up court pointing at the coach of the nets. John Calipari now. The Kentucky Coach was in coaching. The Nets that year pointing in. That's for you for you. Astin you and I'm thinking sitting. Courtside what are you doing? Was there history between the two so afterward in in it was it was a tour De Force. Sixteen at twenty two shots just wiped out the poor nets I asked Jordan in the locker room. What's going on between you and Calipari tap me and said nothing. I said you don't have any personal his now. I don't even know him. What why were you pointing at it? Just don't like the way looks. I don't like the way struts back and forth in front of their bench that's it that was it Michael Jeffrey Jordan. So let's go to story number three. This took place on. May the twenty fourth. This was in the Eastern Conference. Finals between the Indiana Pacers in the Bulls in. It turned out to be all time. Great until Jordan took over game. Seven back at the United Center enclosed that deal against Reggie Miller and company but this happened on the off day between Games. Three and four at Indiana the Bulls won the first two at home. Indiana one game three at home and was about to win game four. But this was the off-day at markets where arena in. The media was allowed in near the end of the Bulls practice session and I happen to walk in upstairs on the second deck because some of the print reporters were allowed in. I think I because we got a glimpse at the very end of the practice of some sort of competition that was going on down on the floor between Jordan and several of the other bulls in the entire team had gathered to watch the end of it. And I got to see Michael Jordan with a makeshift blindfold on small towel that they had wrapped around and tied behind his head blindfolding him and he was at the free throw line shooting a left handed. Free Throw for God knows how many thousands of dollars in it had come down to this shot blindfolded left-handed free throw and I witnessed swish and I witness four five bulls who were standing falling on the floor and rolling around. I could hear people yelling. He again he did it. He was known to gamble for many thousands of dollars. I don't know how many he shot once again I'm thinking he swished it. Blindfolded left handed the free. Throw Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Who which leads me to June fourteenth game six that year. Nba Finals at Utah. In by the way in game five I had witnessed something did I rarely saw from Jordan. His entire career the Bulls had lost to the UTAH. Jazz Malone Stockton Company at the United Center in the previous dame game five in at the end of that. Game Jordan did have a lot of last shot that he missed. It was a tough one and Brian. Russell who's a tough defender New Jordan? Got Up into him and was not afraid of him was all over Michael as he fell away. Almost at the sideline out of bounce in took A. I don't know nearly a thirty foot. Three point shot at the Buzzer to win the game again. They lost eighty three eighty one. Low score defense brutality. But he missed it in after the game when I asked him about it. He said that was cute. Cute never heard Jordan's acute about anything. It was just cute. I thought wasn't cute to me. Missed and I thought maybe he'd bring down the house in the NBA by making that shot. Nope I guess he was. Maybe saving something force in Game. Six AT UTAH. Saving something for the jazz fans because ahead of GAME SIX AT UTAH. I was told that Scottie Pippen. Obviously the second desk Chicago Bull had fallen ill that he was really sick. He was so sick he was a game time decision and more so that the Bulls traveling party was worried that Scottie Pippen would try to suck it up and go that night but then there was a quick turnaround to a game seven at Utah. It was the two three to four matinee in so six and seven eight Utah and the Bulls traveling party. Feared that even if if Scotty can give you a little bit in game six he was going to give you nothing in game seven so it felt like do or die all or nothing in game six and early on in that Game Scottie. Pippen had a wide open dunk and wrenched his back on top of his illness. So Scottie Pippen was hobbled and sick and he managed to tough it out and go twenty six minutes in that game. Took seven shots made four. He had a grand total of eight points. And guess who said I got this. Yup That Guy. Twenty three said I got this watch this Michael Jordan Knight scored forty five points in forty four minutes. The rest of the team scored forty to forty five points to forty two points. Scottie contributed next to nothing and Michael said I got this all the way down to the last sequence of the game in which Michael went into the corner and stole the ball from Carl Malone and dribble the ball up the floors. The clock is ticking. Down Brian Russell was in perfect position to stop him. And this is the only piece of Sports Memorabilia I ever purchased in that I own in that hangs on my wall to this day here in Los Angeles hung on my walls in Chicago San Francisco New York and now in Los Angeles. I savored every time I walk by it. It's a picture from the far baseline of Michael Jordan. Having just slightly pushed off on Brian Russell different era different hand-checking different kind of physicality it was okay. Then little little push off subtle but effective to gain a little bit of space go straight up from maybe eighteen feet three or so beyond the free throw line in my picture is from the far baseline of Michael. Holding the pose and you can see the looks on the faces of all the jazz fans in the far end zone beyond the far baseline the horrified looks of because the ball is going through the net in my still photo and they now he did it to them again. He held the pose on his final shot with the Chicago Bulls and he had done it to them again. And here's my favorite part of the photo. Scottie Pippen you can see in the frame over on the right side on the wing standing at the three point. Line like this. I'm open I'm open. Michael didn't even give him a glance. Scotty taken no threes. In the game and Scottie Pippen was not going to take the final shot eight. Utah really the final shot of the prime of Michael Jordan's career. His Bulls run his six championships with six. Mvp's that finalized with that shot that night in that picture. Note Scottie. Sorry you're still taught to the lone ranger in the lone ranger said I got this any swished it game over Michael Jeffrey Jordan. So then a couple of weeks passed and Michael was scheduled to play in a pro-am golf tournament in Chicago. And I still couldn't get it through my mind. He's pledged allegiance for life to Phil Jackson. And just so you know Phil Jackson and Jerry. Krause the GM had fallen completely apart. I also got to know Jerry. Krause that year along with Phil Jerry. Krause was Chubby. Little Guy with an EGO. Even bigger than Jordan's Jerry. Krause had started after playing a little bit of high school baseball as a catcher. I believe didn't come across as real athletic to me about five feet. Four inches tall each started out as a scout for the white sox owned by Jerry Krause who also owned the Chicago Bulls and Jerry. Krause had taken a liking to little jerry. Reinsdorf had taken a liking to little jerry krause because they were sort of birds of a feather partners in quote unquote crime. If you will in Jerry REINSDORF needed a bad cop. To general manage his Bulls. He needed somebody who would do his bidding but who would ride herd on those Chicago Bulls and it was Jerry Krause Jerry. Krause did not draft Michael Jordan. He came a year after Jordan was drafted by Rob. Thorne and Jerry was hard to handle hard to get along with an. I did not get along with my clashed constantly with him to the point that after one playoff game at Charlotte I saw him as I was coming out of the public restroom near the arena ran into him and he was furious over something. I've written about him which was just the God's truth he said. How can you do this to my family? And my response was. How can you do this to your family here with the Bulls? You're going to break this team up. Because you don't like Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson Despised Jerry. Because he had no respect for Jerry Krause and at every opportunity in front of other staffers. He would humiliate him by ridiculing him. Because the truth was he deserved to be ridiculed and because of that he dug in before the year and made it clear to fill. I don't care if you go eighty two now. You're not willing to coach after this year with this team. And he had made it clear that he had fallen head over heels in love with Tim. Floyd coach at Iowa State. Tim Was a fine college basketball coach with the prospect of Tim. Floyd replacing still Jackson and Michael Jordan with the Bulls was mind blowing to me and I still couldn't get it through my head that Michael would actually follow through with his vow that if you fire Phil I'm gone but Michael Stubborn to a fault proud to fall seriously proud said no. I'M OUT FILLS OUT. I'm out got so bad that Jerry. Krause in wedding that he threw for his daughter the summer before. Nineteen Ninety eight invited. Tim Floyd to the wedding and didn't even invite Phil Jackson. That's how far they'd fallen out so last shot hold. The pose game over fills gone Michael. I'm gone a big announcement. Media Conference the United Center. I'm gone so here. We are a couple weeks later. I went out to make sure at this pro. Am Golf Tournament. That Michael was gonNA stick by guns on this. There's no way he was coming back for the Bulls or anybody else so he saw me after a while. I don't know is on the fourteenth or fifteenth hole and he waved me inside the ropes so I could walk with him. Maybe the fifteen poll Sapar Five long-haul Foale and Michael unfortunately had sent his tee shot into a fairway bunker any asked his caddy for his three would will golf three would out of the sand non easy golf shot on a par five and I said to Michael. That's tough and he turned to me and said I'm just going to imagine the golf ball is Jerry Krause's face Jerry Krause's face that's how much Michael Jordan had come to hate this little man who held the fate of the dynastic balls in his little hands and he crushed that three would almost made it into to the green fell. Just maybe five yards short. We an easy chip up for his birdie. And that's when it hit me. He is really gone. Michael Jeffrey Jordan is really gone. So I didn't see Michael for a while. Nearly a year passed now. We're going all the way into the following basketball. Too Basketball Seasons in this story involves one of Jerry. Krause's next draft picks his actual bottom of the first round pick in ninety nine. He had named Corey Benjamin from Oregon State. The next Michael Jordan at six feet six inches tall krause loved him and Corey loved himself so much that he made the mistake on draft night of saying publicly. I'm sorry Mike Retired because I was looking forward to taking in as in beating him one on one kid. No so Michael Remembered. Michael waited awhile now. It's Tim Floyd's second go. Round was the Bulls. They're horrible. They've got ron or test and they got Elton brand. They still head coach but they were horrible. In one day in November early in the year at the inner practice guests who walks in door unannounced? Yeah twenty-three walked in sweat clothes. And he didn't know Tim Floyd but Tim was in all of them. I knew tim very well in him. Very respectfully coach. Would you mind if if I played him? One on one in pointed to Corey Benjamin. Poor Corey Benjamin. Tim said sure if these games sure. And what was Corey Benjamin going to say no? So Jordan took off his top but he kept his bottoms on his sweatpants on. Let's go and Michael Jordan destroyed. Poor Corey Benjamin. He just scored and scored and scored on him in every way shape and form imaginable. I got to see that killer will on display one last great time against poor Corey Benjamin. He stole the ball from an intimidating with his defense. And by the way those bulls teams greatest defensive teams. I've ever seen Michael Jordan. Made First Team all defense. His final year ninety eight while winning the scoring title and Poor Corey. Benjamin was so psychologically shot by what Jordan did to him that Corey. Benjamin never amounted to anything. Young on for about three years with the Bulls any bounced around the League. A little bit then. He bounced around overseas a little bit and he was out of sight. Outta mind and Jordan came over and told us in the media afterward. That was the lesson. It wasn't just a lesson for Corey. Benjamin lesson for Jerry Krause. You took that guy and you thought he could replace me well. I just did that to him. I'm getting goosebumps. Just telling you the story so thank you for sharing this with me in Michael. Thank you for the memories in Nineteen Ninety Eight.

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REShow: John Lynch. Hour 2 (04-21-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

55:37 min | 5 months ago

REShow: John Lynch. Hour 2 (04-21-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production. No available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You podcasts rich Eisen show here come the rich. Eisen show at work. I play all day every day. You guys are live from the Rich Eisen show studio in Los Angeles earlier on this show. 'em QB's senior writer Albert career still to come San Francisco. Forty niners general manager. John Lynch Sunday night football analyst Chris Collins Worth Plus actor and comedian. Billy Gardell and now rich is welcome to this hour of the rich. Eisen Show live from Los Angeles California. We say hello to our friends on NBC. Ssn where you can catch us every single day from one to three eastern time coming up on this show in about twenty minutes time as a man who's got not one but two first round selections in the NFL draft which we are not one but two days away from actually going down John Lynch the general manager of the NFC champion San Francisco. Forty niners is first up Chris Collins worth who a lot of my friends at NBC. Know very well the voice of Sunday night. Football along with my buddy Al Michaels. He'll be joining us at the top of our final hour. And then billy Gardell Ika handsome photograph of Billy Gardell. He is one of our favorite guests. He is a die. Hard a diehard steelers fan again He was supposed to be on our show in studio in December and had to tap out which was very rare for him because he lost his voice screaming at the Browns steelers game that he was at last December. He'll be joining us to tell us what he thinks. The answers are should do on Thursday night in the draft. Although be sitting back and watching I guess a very rare night for them watching the dolphins use one of their first rounders. But we'll see what he thinks. The steelers need to do in this draft. That's coming up on the next couple of hours. Chris Brockman good to see you over there. Sir Buddy what's happening. We're good and my My Audio Executive Extraordinary Mike Del. Tufo to see you as well so one of things. We'll talk to John Lynch about interestingly enough Before I have a great big announcement involving the NFL draft thumb. That I'm going to be hosting on Thursday night On many digital and social media platforms near you so join things will ask a of John Lynch because he was in the mock draft conference call slash rehearsal Microsoft Room. Rehearsal that Microsoft team room rehearsal that he and the rest of the general managers and coaches of the NFL. Ron that went down at the end of this hour yesterday that it didn't take very long for it to leak fast. That things go very smoothly. There's Adam Schefter I mean you could see the time. It was right around twenty minutes from now yesterday that he heard from somebody in this mock draft that there was a technical glitch with Cincinnati's first pick brutal brutal so we'll ask John Lynch just how brutal it was. Everybody's doing their reporting on this right. Everybody's doing the reporting on this. We didn't clear this though with NBC. Sports News desk so in in advance. I I offer an apology. Richeisenshow exclusive. We got it. We have the sound of what was so brutal and confused everybody when in the mock draft the bengals made made this announcement for their first pick right. Please welcome the wickedly talented one and only does that is brutal. I mean totally brutal. I mean you're thinking here in Joe Borrow and somebody pronounces it Adele disease. Can you believe that happened? That sound bite his seven years old and our first hour. Okay in our first hour hour was Was On and argue to dot com slash richeisenshow stream from sports illustrated. He says the glitch was and this kind of makes sense that the NFL running this thing would throw everybody in the deep end of the pool. Right off the bat he said. The glitches were stemming from the fact that the mock draft had the cowboys sitting there at seventeenth overall pull off a draft trade with the Bengals to start the mock draft. So if you WANNA talk about having a very difficult draft trade to pull off seventeen up to one. I don't even I don't even know how many chess pieces need to move in. Just the normal way in which you would conduct a trade for a draft. Now everybody's in their own homes so I don't know if they had Jerry Jones basically call up and say you know annuities phone or or or make this trade and apparently it created an issue just a little bit right. That might have been part of it right there so that makes sense it. It's kind of like us if anybody's ever had a stress test or you know an MRI. It's kind of like injecting the Blue Dye and to find out where all the issues are and all the blockages. So you can repair it. It made it that tweet from Schefter from whoever did that made. It seem like the bengals had an issue. Just saying the words Joe Burrow into a phone or on on Zoom Room or whatever the hell they're on right that's what my thought would be like. How could they not even pull off saying Joe Boroughs first overall when whoever's playing Roger Goodell says I've just put in a load of laundry the bengals around the clock from my own basement and that's what made it sound like so that's kind of difficult and we'll figure out how it works out? John elway earlier today in a in a A an interview said Things kind of went well after it was all said and done and we'll see when John Lynch joins us here on the show and now we have taken we have taken We have taken prior to coming on the air on NBC. We have taken kind of a bet as to which phone yes. We'll lynch call in from because he has two goats set up right now trump to. Let's go the chargers has had a very nice But there's his setup Del Tufo you went. I in our draft center center phone Brockman. You went left phone. I'm going phone right. Okay and dom buoy who is the one who is keeping this whole operation together. Our EP back in his office he went cellphone. He's going off the board. I think we've got all the phones coverage. I'm speakerphone anywhere on an old. So that's our choice with With John Lynch later on and tourist dropping like a stone from everybody Albert breer said again. He has spoken to anybody who thinks and he says he knows people who know what's going on an office building doesn't think anybody. He hasn't spoken to anyone who thinks the dolphins will take to fifth overall. Which means it's the greatest smokescreen ever like. It's the Kaiser Soza of smokescreens and or the associated smokescreens four. Or He's GonNa drop and then it could drop in lap of Tom to Lesko and maybe to let's go thinks he's gotta protect whatever quarterback he has from. Toronto or second rounder or next year any passes on to and then to a drops nothing Albert set and again you can go to our youtube stream. Youtube dot com slash rich. Eisen show to see it live at noon every day and also to check on the video once it's done he says the Jaguars at nine. The conversation around the League right now is that the Jaguars are the front runners to tank for Trevor Lawrence. Next year that they made clear the trade for net trade Jahic and Goksoy on draft night. As you know he and Tony Khanna son of owner shod con went back and forth on twitter and laid bare the raw emotions between team and franchise tag pass. Rusher always a good idea to do that on twitter by the way by the way right before the draft so there you have it. He's thinking that they can be the ones that are going to clear the decks. Trevor Lawrence over the next forty eight hours and certainly on draft night trade out of nine if somebody wants to trade up to get a pass protector for say Tom Brady or say name a team. That needs protector. Drew Lock or say for Matt Ryan these guys trade up and then that team also trades in. Gakugei gets in Goch way in the draft trade for a one next year and you started massing for Trevor Lawrence and if that happens then the Jaguars should just go straight out and get a big fat head of Trevor Lawrence and put it in their swimming pool just to let everybody get just put the image that they have. They have a tank in their stadium. And they're putting Trevor Lawrence in it right now next level if they actually do this back and forth. We didn't talk about it yet. We didn't talk about it yesterday. I mean in Galway colds. Tony Kahn Mo tells him to stop hiding. I mean I've been pretty active on social media in isolation but you wouldn't know that since you on followed me again I mean it's just not it's it. Isn't it pretty quick? Basically said just trade me. I don't know what will happen. I don't know. Oh My Gosh. It just keeps going. Oh my these two guys. Well doesn't look like in God's plan for the Jaguars or this can get Trent Williams ugly and so many people think that he could get traded on draft night to the browns. So they don't have to choose offensive Lineman at ten or they could trade out or they can get Isaiah Simmons instead. Washington second overall on the clock. They're ready to take chase young. Somebody wants to pop up and get to which it looks like. Nobody does because he might drop forty eight hours from the draft. It's just getting really wild out there. And once the starts Chris Collins worth WHO's joining us at the top of our final hour. He's going to be on this channel that you can hear us on Sirius. Xm Channel to eleven in the pro football focus crew. We're going to be covering the draft that way at seven eastern time on Thursday night and then at seven thirty eastern time a half an hour before the ESPN SLASH NFL network coverage begins on linear television. As they say in the business I will be sitting with Dion Sanders in as zoom draft room for the draft. A thon live coverage it's GonNa be a charity. Centric draft centric chat room. Our first guest for the first half hour will be Kevin Hart. He slated to spend a half an hour with us and I've been told he wants to be part of Wednesday's rehearsal again. We're rehearsing you know that's what's going to happen. I don't know if we're GONNA have the cowboys. Try and pull off a draft trade with the bengals so we can make it that much more difficult for us but any rate dion me Kevin Hart to start it off. Then you ready to hear. Who's joining me after that? I've been giving green because you have been teasing this for over an hour. I haven't given the green light to mentioned this stuff all right so once. Kevin Hart joins us and we have a Chitchat. Then Robert Kraft. The owner of the new agents will join US then Archaic K. As he is known must depart he is going to get ready for the draft. Michael Strahan will join us. And apparently he's GonNa stick around so it'll be dion. Stray Kevin Hart then. I'm assuming from his home and not from a park in Tampa Florida. Wow your new. Tampa Bay buccaneer. Tb Twelve Tom. Brady is scheduled to Zuma. Hey now after which we're not done. I'm assuming they'll just stick around from from the Pacific Northwest Number three in your programme number one your heart certainly from the twelve's Russell Wilson will zoom in and that's your first half hour of draft on live. Wow which you can catch on. Nfl TWITTER NFL facebook twitch YouTube. Read it Y'all who sports apparently picking up the Stream. That's the first half hour how we're getting out of the gate. And then all first hour of the draft at eight eastern time when we come on the Eric apparently we clean out the zoom. So everybody else can go about their business. Dion and I will welcome in From your Super Bowl champion Travis. Kelsey will spend the first hour with us so watch maybe borrowed chase young and all the draft stuff. Go Down with Kelsey. Wow that's how Roland and then celebrities Galore in hall of Famers Galore influences. Galore go Thursday and Friday and Saturday. I'm excited about it. It's the way that the draft coverage is GonNa go from. Nfl draft at Thon live again on every social media platform the NFL is associated with. We will be live and again. It's also a virtual fundraiser. There are six charities that the NFL has identified that are on the frontlines fighting cove. Nineteen or providing relief to those that are being ravaged by this scourge. So we're going to blended altogether monitor the draft talk about life and provide you with whatever respite you might need from the real world as we attempt to do here every day on the rich. Eisen show eight four four zero four riches the number to dial. What's our poll question that we have over there? Christopher that we have unpacked that people can go vote on at richeisenshow. What you have over there. This has been up at richeisenshow for an hour. Now check it out based on the last dance. Got Me thinking cool. What other teams players would you like to see a multi part documentary about okay? The nineties cowboys. We know what happened in those personally. Can't we can't do all twenty years of the Patriots Dynasty but let's look at the last five basically from or on the Cincinnati until Tom leaving so that includes Jimmy Garoppolo driving clues all the Garoppolo stuff three and five years a lot of drama there just the shack? Kobe Lakers early two thousand? We know what went on there and the early two thousands tiger woods. Great question we could. We could and there's a lot there's a lot of players you know we we could. We could include the last few years of the warriors that Draymond Green Lettuce in on totally talking about the last dance saying that durant should've let everybody know that this was his last dance instead of letting everybody answer those questions all year long and even helped even going after Michael Jordan for not supporting pippin in his contractual dilemma. I didn't see that how many did not have that in my last dance. Bingo card didn't have that lots to talk about at eight. Four four two zero four rich number. Dial when we come back. John Lynch the general manager of the San Francisco Forty niners call in from phone John Collins from phone that Adele Disea- moment. I mean that was my house because he and this is John Travolta botching introducing Adina Menzel singing. Let it go. Which was the Oscar nominated song from frozen and that was just like for everybody out there. If you had say a five or six year old in your house. That's straight butter as Stewart. Would say so. They knew that on the broadcast. They kept her in their back pocket. The producers singing live let it go and the Oscars broadcast. They kept in their back pocket to the very end. 'cause they knew kids wanted to they were they knew families wanted us to but I mean East Coast. You're talking like ten thirty at night. You're talking like eleven o'clock at night in Pacific. Zan was my oldest now eleven. He was fighting to stay awake because he wanted to see her. And I wish I had video of him trying to comprehend who the hell adult izzy was. Please welcome the wickedly talented one and only you know does the while base. What's going on over there? You're awfully quiet Chris. I don't know when you do that. That normally means something's up you just want high register which means you're not great. I'm great I'm great. I'm sure you're just monitoring. What do you monitor all the things that are happening? What are you? What are you monitor screens? You need more screen anymore. Screens for more screens cattleman. John John Lynch said I really needle Lynch set up. A lot of people are curious to what Albert said last hour about him. Not Talking to anyone. Who has the dolphins taking to it? Five okay you know who must be going through some issues right now. Jj Jefferson our social media grandmaster. Who's sitting in for Adam are call screener? Who has a tool like hip problem? He didn't break apparently but he's he's at home so we need. We need we need. Tj Call Lynch. Now you know what I mean like answering phones actually want we call college out there. He can do me a favor. We can play some music. Would you please year? We'll be back in a second with John Lynch on the rich. Eisen show for back live on NBC Sirius Xm Channel to eleven and also our youtube stream YouTube dot com slash. Rich Eisen Show Chris Collins. Worth and billy gardell coming up in the final hour of our program Also later on this hour do have Straight from the man himself less needs home draft setup of the Los Angeles Rams. Because you know we can't get an no. We can't get enough of all the setups that people have taken photographs videos of right of their home. Draft Rooms I can't get enough of them. Gettleman started this well. The giants started. All Andy. Reid was who landed on. Plymouth. Rock GOTTA GO Andy. Reid sat up right so we saw John Lynch setup and I mean that setup impressive and again we had before we took a wager friendly wager. You say he's calling in right now from phone to in the middle. I said center phone and you said Left Phone Kris own left leaving phone right for me. John Lynch you could make one of the three of us very happy. Which phone are you calling in from right now? None of the above I I had to had to make a run to the grocery store. I'm in a parking lot about to get masked up and go in there and brave brave the okay all right so just a few minutes of your time on your cell phone here in parking lot of whatever Grocery store your I mean what a set John John. How many it looks like seven. It's seven screen three phone setup. That's what it looks like to me. Yeah there's a lot a lot of screen. There's a lot there and I think you know I. I don't know as a player. I think you learn You know you you prepare for every situation that might be thrown at you and so all I did. I mean shoot. We are in Silicon Valley so we extremely talented people in our it. Our Video Department and Basically what Colin I Did is we WANNA replicate what we do on draft? We know that's impossible so where we need to be simple we we. We'd rather do that than be Cluttered and Co complex and and so we kind of described that. And that's essentially how we're going to do it. We're going to have you know we're we're we involve a lot of people in our draft process. We like here from all our coaches are scouts. And they'll they'll kind of live in one thing. We're calling the huddle that's going to be one virtual thing going on there's GonNa be another room. Which is our draft room. Are John mcvay drafter in which we call it as if we're in our facility and they'll be that group of people and then Kyle and I Whenever the draft is getting crazy. And you've got people what are you. What are we going to do? What are we GONNA do? We always leave and go to my office which is adjacent to the draft room and so we've got jails office so that's kind of how we're living. That's what screens are for Other screens for notes for our internal system and so A lot of people I think white. What do you need all that for? That's that's why you need it Any you've got other teams needs and such so a lot of information being in and our our crew did a great job setting it up and I just hope it all works come. Thursday in terms of in terms of working Lots of conversation about the run through the rehearsal draft that went down on on Monday and the issues that that were had there. Can You Give me any details on on how that went from your perspective. What happened? Well I think it was? I think it was a lot of a lot of smoke level. Much Ado about nothing. I think there You know the best way I can say it over the weekend. We kinda did an internal mock and It was the Proverbial I won't say it on air but you know what show but You Know Jon Gruden. When I played for him he used to have a great San. Sometimes you gotta do the things you don't want to do so that you can do the things you want to do. And so you have to kind of go through that to see as much as you plant out in your mind until you actually go. Through the scenario there's issues unforeseen issues and so that's kind of what happened on the very first pick. I think you know everybody was hearing them. Cincinnati who had some technical difficulties? Jerry came on and I think the whole League artem and so there was that but then right after that it got very smooth and You know I think that's why we did it. They'll do more of them today with kind of the it people. But I think everyone understands that you you do kind of have to go through the process to understand okay. Here's here's an issue and I I think I really do think it will be as smooth as it can be Come Thursday okay in the Jerry referring to. I'm assuming you mean Jones. Because we heard from Albert breer in the first hour program from sports illustrated that there was mock cowboys. Bengals trade to throw everybody in the deep end of this rehearsal pool and so jerry was the one who is on the phone for everybody. I don't WanNa be sharing in house information but yeah you know. That's pretty cool. There's only there's few people in this league you just call by the first name. It's like Jerry. Everybody knows who you're talking about so I screwed that one up yet and always whether it's at league meetings wherever it is. I always get such a kick when he speaks up. Because it's always entertaining. Why so you look John. I mean I knew your Stanford Guy. You and be the guy that problem with the mute button. I knew that you because that's what we're here in to that. There was the general managers on the phone and that people didn't know in a mute. And what have you? But Not that. That is kind of part of the drafters. There's talks you have that you certainly don't want to have Other people Here in I think the you know the best thing they did. I think mask and six foot distancing and all that but you know all right all right T I I've got our head video guy's GonNa be about seven feet away from me during this whole process and If I if I get in a pinch He can handle it. There's a lot of failsafes if You know with our system if if my house were to crash number one. I've got a generator number two. Then it goes data Peterson. Adam Peters has been along with me all the Khaldun want any part of turning in kids. So he's out of the loop but You Know Adam Peters goes and then Ethan War College Scouting Director. So there's all those failsafes there's also you can pick up the phone and call it in and so I think they've kind of insulated. This thing with a ton of different ways they you know if if if everything goes awry that we can all function and and I I really I do have confidence that that It's going to go not without a hitch but I think it will go smoothly. So in terms of that though You know just last thing for you John on this subject Nothing insurmountable than from what you got from the the mock draft or the rehearsal draft for Thursday. It's it's stuff that can be fixed. I I do believe that I really do. And I think I think it's GonNa be entertaining. I really do. I know I made the you know on our media. Call yesterday Everyone is just craving for something live. the other night it wasn't even live but it was something new the last stance during this time. I don't watch much. Tv because anytime you watch TV you should be watching film or or making calls and talking with people but that last dance. I had to watch it. Michael Jordan's just been the guy for me and like so many people and I think there's a very similar feeling. I can't tell you how many people have reached out and said we are so looking forward to this and I think there'll be a fun element to see people You know in their own environment. I'm out hanging out where my In the guest house where my parents come and where they stay when they come where my father-in-law and just wanted more space. So I'm out there and I do think it's GonNa be fun and we'll make the best of it. This is serious business. This is you know this is how you build your teams but I think we also are mindful of the all the people out there that are really hurting and hopefully we can take their mind off. It gives them something else to focus on and give them something to laugh about and and And you know boo us if they want from home and all those things that with the draft. I'm into that John Lynch on into that And in terms of the draft nothing gets more exciting when Teams Move Up. Move Down. You have not one but two first round selections reports everywhere that you you would be willing to trade not one or both to to move Down around what? What is your what thought process that you can share with us. Forty eight hours before the draft about thirteen thirty first overall John. That's accurate you know. Last year we made. We had a couple of things and one of those you know. Our second round pick was We we sent that to the chiefs for D. Ford Our third and fourth round picks we got a fifth back from Denver but they You know those those. Those picks were Were Emmanuel Sanders. Now So we have a big gap between those two first round picks and And and where we're going in the fifth round and would we trade? That helped us get to the Super Bowl and have a real good chance to win it but there is a big gap there so I think you don't pass up a special difference making player and if that they're at thirteen stand pat but if not and we feel like there's a bunch of those guys still left then yeah. We're willing to get out of there to accrue some more picks but You know I think the same can be said at thirty one. So it's kind of fluid. I love you know the old Comic John. Used to say all the people at Fox. You know what happens when a game breaks out every you can do all the pre production you want. But then a game breaks out of draft breaks out and we'RE GONNA we'll be ready for all scenarios and and looking forward to it. Well I you know when you talk about game changing players I mentioned this to you. before in your previous appearance here on this show and then when we when we've chatted off off line that. Deebo Samuel is the guy that everybody is looking for now and in fact Daniel Jeremiah. At the combine came up with the phrase finding depot that everybody wants to find. Debo so you would know Just how deep this wide receiver pool is in this draft. How how deep is it compared to what you've seen before it incredibly deep it really is certainly in the? This'll be my fourth draft in this capacity It's as good as classes. I see now you. You probably don't have. But how often do you have a Randy Moss? Something like that but you do have Eric Decosta. I said well you find starter in the fifth round I. I really believe that to be true. You know you start watching a lot of positions. It runs dry really quick. I think we were twenty four players in and you're still really enjoying the quality and the other thing I said this at the combine. It's Kinda like stick your flavor to you. Want a big guys. There's those guys you WanNa Short Quick Guy they have that you wanNA burner. So there's a little bit of everything depending on what you need or what you tend to tend to like a franchise. It is very strong class at that wide receiver and that there is a ton of depth. There well I got a couple of questions for you. John Lynch that You know you can touch you can but I I know. These are touchy potential subject. Certainly two days before a draft to have you gotten any calls about thirty first overall from teams. You think looking for a fifth year of Control for quarterback. Have you gotten those calls? John Not specifically that you know we we You you you You know a lot of these guys who your friends and you talk to them throughout the process. I would say that yesterday is when you start kind of actually making calls. Hey you know just kind of wanted to let you know our situation so nothing has got specific in that specific scenario. No that hasn't happened But you know like. I said Oftentimes these things happen on the day of the draft. Unless you're talking about the first or second pick they they'll happen earlier. I'd just that that some of that stuff starts to happen here. Yeah I know because again. That's a that that's one of those sweet spot of real estate for two reasons. One if you're in a thirty to thirty second overall means you want to super bowl or you went to one and also You know we you know that was Right around the spot. Where Lamar Jackson was the last pick in the draft in the first round? And you know Teddy Bridgewater. It's well and you clearly have a quarterback your own which leads me to my other question here. My colleague Dion Sanders was so open at the combine about how Tom Brady. Winding up in San Francisco for Garoppolo would be a perfect spot and the niners never said a word. You stayed packed. Didn't do anything in did did you? And the rest of the forty niners think about making a public statement at any point on this very subject. John you know it's interesting because there were a couple of factors in that kyle and I had just made a statement at the combine State and how much we believed in Jimmy. Then these rumors come out and you know the truth of the matter when you're talking about and you gotta be careful up here because a lot of people up here. I think. The greatest player that ever lived is Joe Montana. So I'm careful. Always say when you're talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time with Tom Brady Of course you're going to have some internal discussion and then you hear rumors that. Hey he you know he. He'd like to come home. That kind of thing So of course Carl and I have discussions You know but the cool thing rich that that we shared with Jimmy Is that you know we forced ourselves. We're always into get better And so you look at everything especially a situation like that but within a day or two Colin I looked at each other and said you know what we really like what we have in Jimmy. We love everything that he brings and we really believe. It's a long-term answer and so That's that's you know I would tell you where more convicted than ever about. Who are quarterback. Is Jimmy Garoppolo Really excited about Despite the you know the challenges of of of getting better without a traditional off-season that that he can do that The guys done nothing but when since he's been here a lot of people try to pick his game apart for whatever reason all I know. The Guy Wins. Football Games and He's a tremendous teammate. Very talented young man and I I think is best football. Still ahead of them. So where's committed to Jimmy has ever and We've had those discussions with him. That's what was important. We didn't believe you know if you start chasing every rumor out there And making a statement on it. Then you're doing that all the time and yet this was a bigger one important thing was. We had talked to Jimmy and and told them exactly what I told you. Yeah and you know. We had Emmanuel Sanders on when he was After he'd signed with the saints and I asked him about the the final. Pass the Super Bowl that you know was was intended for him and he had every opportunity to essentially He's veterans so you know veterans. Know how to say something without saying it. He could not have been more full-throated in who Jimmy is leader and who he is as future. You Know Stud quarterback and that he's already proven it I mean he couldn't have been more of about Garoppolo and he's not even on your team anymore. John Anybody who's been around and that's just a you know you get a lot of comments and and I often think of the best teammates I've ever played with not the best players but the best teammates. And you know Derrick Brooks is one that comes to mind Champ Bailey. They tend to be the better player to fit the bill. They're running but That's something that players when I'm talking to him all the time. I don't know if I've ever had better teammate. And you just talked about manual. Not throwing him. I mean the one thing. Kyle always tell you John as a quarterback You have such opportunity all the time ten times a game that throw someone out. He was supposed to be at eleven yards. He wasn't Jimmy never once since he's been here he's done that every time he puts it on himself. And that's what gives us a lot of confidence and and You know challenged him as we think there's places in and that's coming from Kyle places in his game where he can improve and the great thing is Jimmy embraces those and and we're going to try to get that that best out of them and and we think he's already been tremendous so You know I I would leave it with that whereas convicted as ever about About him being our quarterback leading this this organization into the future John. I appreciate the time where you sit in a in a parking lot getting set to go get your groceries. for your family I really appreciate it. I let you go one last thing about that. Shot of your office. I could not help but notice what appears to be an original Leroy Neiman of the catch on your wall is that an original Leroy Neiman of the catch on your wall. Yeah that's that's a great call We have a In a in an executive assistant to to Prague Murat and she came up one day and she said my parents were friends with Leroy Neiman. you know there's about? I don't I don't WanNA I. I forget what the number is. There's very few of them right. Leroy Neiman did it and she gave me one and The full disclosure. That hasn't been hanging in my guest house but when it came to draft but I my daughter came in today you need something the niners so I put. I put up the catch. Dwight was one of my favorite people. That obviously Such historic play in this organization. So I thought it was fitting to have it there and it's been cool to look over at that. That's kind of player. We're looking for my dad and And and Dwight Clark and Leroy Neiman. I mean like if the League right now that is I mean that all the technology in your in your in your spot right now. That could be the most valuable of them all on that. Well John that's thinking about me about me having an eye for art how about that no? That's pretty good. You know John. Thanks for the time man. Best to you and your family and You're you're one of my favorites really appreciate the call. We'll right back at you. Stay safe with your family and I mean that everybody out there. Thanks a lot rednecks again and good luck with the draft. Thanks for doing it. That's John Lynch John Lynch right here on the rich Eisen show. You is a deep draft you got to ones and a bunch of fives and sixes. You need to. I bet dug into trey one of them. I think that the thirty first is like if Jordan sitting there and somebody wants him. Go get him. Go get them that they are a for sale. Sign on thirty first overall. When you overall dude you don't I mean if you have rugs sitting out there maybe rugs judy or CD lamb that when you said that there could be a what these words star a study. I know you said that. They're starting in the fifth. But you can get one of those receivers for Jimmy G. With deebo take you up with I thirty one and then you don't pick again until one fifty six won't happen. Those things are getting traded. Their second and third round thirty first overall is going to go. That's a spot for somebody wants to trade in and the thing that makes it so valuable you get a fifth year of contractual control as opposed to two picks later. That's what makes the thirty first and thirty second overall pick soul valuable and if slides thirteen spot. Yeah you WANNA trade. I was about five. So you're saying thirty. I Dunno thirteen thirteen for two. Who wants them? That's the spot. Well here's a here's a little madden the cover athlete for Madden. And it's been announced and the reveal of less needs draft war room at home words. It ever thought I'd say a tease but everything's content. These days we come back. Oh I got Thomas Dmitrov. He just texted John. Look who is put on the screen man visited Matt. All this great and I'm trying to find how much we Roy Neiman Peyton Lot. Yeah I'm trying to find out I'm sending this to you. Oh my word I gotcha. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I got I think Sylvester Stallone has the one from rocky I think Thomas Dementia off knows how he knows his audience. Thomas Dmitrov noses audience that simple. He knows who he's talking to. He's been doing this a long time with us. He even sent a copy to go along with the photographs. Don here comes. Oh Baby Oh man hang on a minute. I think I get up to handle. They can handle this regatta price. Okay I got one to one hundred seventy three thousand. That's sounds like in a ballpark hundred. Seventy three thousand dollars. That would be. Yeah that would. That's got to be the first right is for that is for his Las Vegas nine hundred sixty one. Some prices for other originals. Can You put? Did you put it in the catch? Just put him to catch Leroy Neiman. I did it's not it's not as you think. Mohammed Ali one hundred fifty five thousand for an original key Manto one thirty one hank. Aaron seventy-two Tyson for Spinks fifty-one Senate. Don It. That sounds like Thomas is full of it though he just he's pretty just put one up. There's like a jar of EMINEM's like he eats that that doesn't put no anything. That's not good for him and his piece. I am not eating. He sent he sent three but I gave it to because I think two of their mother. Same hold on. This might be better dawn of the other one. I'll send I'll send you all three and we be impressed rich. Yeah what do you think this is? Why don't we is guys like one of the most finely appointed individuals in the NFL? You know we give us a little. I sent it to the group. I can't get enough of these. No neither CAN I. I think everyone should have to do it. Seriously it makes cattlemen's Lucy twitter handle like lean to draft rooms atra after we're back in a second eight four four two zero four rich number to dial. Let's take some phone calls. Certainly the first one. It's like I'm I'm back home. My hometown of Staten Island New York veto in Staten Island is calling in what's up. How are you? Mr IS IN HAWAII. You do we go. Go ahead you go. Susan Wagner High Vino. I went my first three years new. You trick in Brooklyn Okay by Fox dens sold at not so we live with my grandmother. Okay and then we moved. I moved to Richmond Richmond my last year. That's where my dad. My Dad. May he rest in peace assistant principal and college adviser and French teacher for over twenty years with now? It's Mr Rice and Vida okay. I'm getting I'm here. What's on your mind. Vito what's it what do you got? Well I'm I'm curious. It's Weiner love football all the teams Do you think that Who's going to trade down more likely to joints for the check? Oh man it's going to be the giants even they'll get them never does. Apparently you never has it. Just sit there at eleven and get get the best player available and don't mess around dome around. I mean it eleven. They could get a game changing wide receiver. Or maybe if they if veto if they don't get a game changing wide receiver at eleven and trade out because all the linemen that they wanted her gone that would just. I couldn't even imagine like they gotta get someone to protect Sam Darnold or get somebody game changing for Donald to throw to that he can be hooked up with hip to hip for decade. Knock on wood. That's what they need to do. And the giants and thanks for the call veto appreciated by the way. Vito's pizza here in Los Angeles. California is as good as it gets how Vito has got some Staten Island routes in them. Not the veto. We just call the giants. Giants gotTa get someone to protect any judge. That's maybe Isaiah Simmons sitting there at four. I think they've got to get someone to protect Daniel Jones and if they could move down one spot and let Miami come and take somebody then all the better and get alo- a little bit. That's what I think about the New York sports teams of although excuse me sorry. Buffalo Bills Fans the New Jersey sports teams. Pardon me the only team that resides in New York state in the National Football League resides in western New York by the way buffy. I'd betrayed my at the very outset of working for. Nfl Network betrayed my New York City. I didn't betray our. I showed my New York City routes by calling it upstate. New York own. No no no no. I heard from bills fans real fast. Upstate is Albany. Upstate is like it's practically Vermont. Forget about it you know what I mean. Upstairs Finger Lampkin Albany Let's check it on. The poll question at Rich Eisen show. Is Our twitter handle? Let's check on that Before we Touch on a couple of news. Items over there Kris K. Following up on the last dance Who would you like to see a multiple part documentary series about ninety cowboys? The last five years of the Patriots Shack Koby Lakers to thousands tiger woods. You guys want to weigh in here. I'm going to say the Patriots will be number one because nobody can think that there'd ever be access on that okay. I will then go tiger number two. Because they think that there's going to be something salacious then I will go shack. Koby in the fourth autumn. Which one is anyhow boys Dallas cowboys nineties cowboys? How Ninety s okay. You guys are both wrong. Tiger Woods leads the way that would be early. Five Percent Shaq. Kobe Lakers twenty seven percents. Ninety cowboys twenty percent pats at the bottom eighteen percent and you're beginning to see the the last dance ripple you know the the first two episodes in that pond dropped the stone and now you're seeing the ripple effects of the conversation that sparks two items draymond green was on a show like zoom show or something like that and said that the conversation about the last dance that in in Durant's final year. He should have told everybody in the room. I'm not coming back. Do you think he should of told everyone who's business. I don't think he should have told a single soul his business. I know that they're all playing together and they're all trying to win together. But why should he tell anybody in that room his business that I have no intention of coming back? How would that have helped anything? Remember Dream Automated Worse. Remember dream on got suspended game because he went at durant. Yeah I mean that was a big issue here. I think it was here in Los Angeles Clippers in late. November of twenty two thousand eighteen big issue right and so- durant should say at that moment. Yeah you're right. I'm not coming back so I know that we have issues. Let me just remove the issue. I'm leaving and I trust everybody in this room to not say a word to anybody. Fatchett really that happened but that pales in comparison dream on saying that Jordan should have backed pippen's play on the contract front. That Jordan answering questions about pippen's contract was constantly go ask him Jordan by the way had his own contract issues getting paid by Jerry Reinsdorf. Who seems to be so far skatin- on everything because Jerry Krause is the one doing the work for REINSDORF and Tim. Floyd who was krause's handpicked successor to Phil. Jackson told a radio station in a local radio interview yesterday that Reinsdorf spoke to him the year before the last dance. Blessed answers that ninety seven ninety eight season after the ninety five. Ninety six season is when Jerry. Krause was already starting to talk to Tim Floyd about. Let's do this now like let's do this now. Let's break team up now. Because I think pippen has gone his last legs and we could split this thing up for spare parts to actually rebuild now with you. Because he didn't want to work with Phil Jackson Anymore. And Tim. Floyd says that Reinsdorf flew out to Seattle and they walked around downtown. Seattle together like they were in what you've got mail and and the whole Meg Ryan Tom. Hanks thing is. It's more fun. Either pardon sleepless right boy at botched that. Seattle's you and I thought you've got mail. That's one of your favorite movie. So there's strong around Seattle together according to Tim Floyd and Floyd Talent Reinsdorf. Why are you doing this? I'd let this team as he said. Diane Natural Death. Meaning let it play all the way out until everybody's done like why are you trying to stop it now? Which by the way in two thousand twenty? I'm still thinking the same thing in Tim. Flowing had the forethought and he reinsdorf according to Floyd said. Would you please tell this to Jerry? Krause for me. He's your employees bright. Jerry reinsdorf hired Jerry Krause correct. Crowds did not run the bulls correct. No I couldn't Reinsdorf tell Jerry Cross figure it out with Phil Jerry and figure it out with Michael Jerry and Scott and figure it out. What Scotty Jerry? And figure out how to pay all of them. Because I I know I'm telling you we're not renegotiating which probably put krause tough bind to house reinsdorf. Not The one. That's getting all this on him. He's he's all he's the one who got failed to come back for you so so so twenty one is telling. Michael Michael should have thrown it out there. How do we know that Michael didn't do this with REINSDORF BIND INSERT? He's not GonNa Jerry. Krause talked to him right. He's not giving him the time of day. Could you imagine Tim's doing an immediate like what's what's Jordan Jordan wants to get paid himself? He did the last two years wrecked finally finally Giorno him. Four million in ninety five ninety six so he should've gone in the media and said I'm coming back unless pippen gets paid. That's dream aunts. Point Magic Tim Floyd taking over the ninety six ninety seven team. That won seventy two game. A whole thing is just why why I guess the Beatles split up rhyming you know what I'm saying. Everything comes to an dude I again. Who's Yoko Ono you again? I guess dream honest putting himself from this era into that into that area. Is that hey we should be standing up for the? Did he stand up for CLAES CONTRACT STEPS CONTRACT? Maybe now that he's gotten paid. And how about this? You WanNa take this error and put it in the other Arab. Could you imagine if there was a member of Jerry Krause's staff who comes up with the data to show Michael that it would help him to sit out a few games because his management team was saying his load needed to be managed? Take that for data. Could you imagine what the response by Jordan to somebody? Hey Jerry Krause sent me just. That would be the end of the conversation. Jerry Krause San Media Tout show. Look if you sit out these six games you could be more effective in June because of all the wear and tear. You've had over the last several years of winnings all these championships. You playing less will help us win more. Could you imagine what Jordan's response to that would have been zero point zero bingo every so I ask everybody in the NBA? Right now. How come you're not responding to that data by saying I'm playing every game? Are you talking about load management? Mike had a broken ankle secretly went to north. Carolina took pickup games without the Bulls knowing. Exactly come on and speaking of You know Congratulations and look both ways congrats to the madden cover athlete. Lamar Jackson announce he's GonNa be on the cover of Madden Twenty one. You know what that's great news and everything in Lamar's having a great Great run. What's the name of the show? Mike del Tufo. Can you remind everybody with the name of the show is the rich? Eisen show and WHO's going to be inside Madden Twenty one. This is the rich Eisen show. What are you I can't disclose that didn't get the green light yet. I haven't I don't know I've come on. I mean you can't say a word about self promotion because you think I didn't notice what you've hung on the front of your desk right now. I rich by the way that your twitter and instagram handle. By the way I'm beautiful fought. It's perfectly cut like you have. I haven't caught my marks go. I mean I had a few minutes this morning. Solve a sudden we're on NBC and you guys are like hey follow me. Follow me if not me. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3) MLB has another plan in place to begin the season but some players are opposed.

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

42:37 min | 5 months ago

Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3) MLB has another plan in place to begin the season but some players are opposed.

"Good Tuesday morning. Everybody who tastic start your Tuesday to everybody out there right now with going to work checking us out online whatever it is. Thank you very very very much. We're going to try to find Chris. Harris come up a little bit later on. He had a meeting the ran a little bit late. So we're GONNA try to get him in a minute. It's funny. We spent a lot of time this week. Last few weeks really talked about the draft. Where's all your draft stuff key? We'd like to suit the hat all the stuff that you get that. Did he keep all that stuff? He's still wearing the suit as the suit was donated to the all star cafe which wine was a big deal in New York City. So that's gone all the little T. shirts and all that stuff is just put away. I mean yeah I don't I mean I don't really cherished that stuff like that to have it all in the back of you know you guys asked me how come I will have all the stuff in the back of my. You know in the back of the office on the wall. I just haven't been. I've never done that before so I don't see myself ever really doing that. Sort of stuff is just you know because some of the headlines and things of that nature so some of the funniest stuff you will ever have seen once career both positively and negatively driven by germs spreaders in their editors me Shaw like like Oh my God. It's Hilarious though is like the furthest thing from me as a Mishaan but because they don't they didn't understand who I was everything was all about. I'm doing this for self serving purposes in. No coach could ever say that. That's the funny thing about it. When you guys get coaches on and have coach me it talked about it. They'll tell you about worth. I think they'll tell you I won in last one out. They'll give you all of those sorts of things but the sports journalists in the journey spreaders took a different approach. Their approach was slander negatively. So you know. I wrote my book in Ninety six. I described a lot of our beat writers and I've really pissed them off. I was calling them all type of names from Barney rubble to Davis Junior. Like one guy a brother who was a writer in New Jersey. Who's one are beat writers? In my book I called Him Sammy. Sammy Davis Junior in Hutch- hated me from that point on and then we got really close because I apologize and you know. I didn't want him to feel. Yeah I didn't WANNA take offence to it because he just reminded me. Sammy Davis Junior. He was a short guy. Had this Guy Mark Carrozza no markers on a row for the New York polls in are called Mark Barney rubble in my book because he looked like Barney rubble on in other beat. Writers were just killing me is so you know they they really. They really went after me right after that for about a good half a season but I apologize all of them are just kind of you know just was letting them know. This is what you remind me of. I wasn't personally trying to attack you and offend you. I was just making light of the media circus surrounding me for myself. I several years in New York. Like if you don't have the me Sean headlined framed and mounted on your wall. You're doing it wrong. It has to be a part of your living room office Schon. I remember it was one that was a New York Post article that was in my locker cleaning out the lock to lock all chunky and I was cleaning it out in. Quebec locker was like a locker removed from me but based on the picture it looks like his locker was literally right next to mine and my back was turned in the first aid to try to drum up. His keyshawn gives curb it the cold shoulder cleaning out my locker with my back turned to him. But that's L Z name. That's what they did back in those days I was. I wasn't even working there. And I was in Grad School. Why you bring me that you gave those sorts of things inspired you to become a journalist. God perfect perfect. Alright guy so We're still waiting to hear when the first fort is GONNA come back. Golfers has some plans in that. They're going to try to get going by mid June. We're seeing some other parts of the world that are going to try to get their league's going in the Bundesliga Germany. They're going to try to have some games. Going by a baseball is still trying to figure out what they WANNA do. There's a new plan out there. That is kind of similar to what we've seen in Arizona but this would be Arizona Texas and Florida basically put teams in three different spots. And kind of do what we've talked about with Arizona Clayton. Kershaw still does not WANNA do that. Plan specifically the Arizona. Plan what he said. Is We all want to play baseball? I get that I want to play baseball too. But there's something about being in the big leagues and you can't compromise that playing in spring training stadiums and quarantine for months without your family and certain things like that. I don't think that's doable. If you're talking about doing it for four or five months Clayton's coming from you know it's one of those deals. Where is very difficult to be away from your family so hopefully they could figure out how they involve your family. Get Your family of all. Maybe your family can come enjoying with for those four or five. Months opposed to them being at home. Maybe you're isolating with your family. And a certain resort in a hotel. I certainly understand we sam but if they gotta play baseball you've gotTA figure out how to make your family situation work. If I can just be honest for a second I would much rather the season just starts and the half guys are imposed. Well don't play like I'm just not into a less significant movement. Does the inspired by the Players Union and in which case did you make some adjustments but it was like a guy here in a guy there. That's just not enough to stock diseconomies from trying to get back on his feet and it's not enough to stop the sport getting back out there and I understand it can appreciate you know wanting to be with. Your family is certainly once. We had the okay to work from home. The first thing I did was went to my family so I'm not trying to pretend like I don't get where he's coming from but also understand that in baseball like in football visa to sports that loves the military and celebrate the military every single chance against. Guess what the men and women that you celebrate. They are without their families for longer. So if you're all about the military Celebrating the men and women who make sacrifices in each trying to tell me you can't stand resort without your country for three months. I just don't have time for that. Especially given the impact is going to have to the world of sports in our economy. Well Look I. It's asking a lot. It's asking a lot to be away from the people that you care about most Let's let's make it super long. Let's say it's six months a half a year but to your point. Nosy people do it all the time. People were able to do it all the time. And the amount of compensation that goes along with being a major league baseball player. You know it's not going to be perfect deal with it deal with it. Find a way to set up time to do it. Electrically the way that we're all having to do to be away from our parents or our best friends or the people that we care about this is not standard operating procedure. Stuff is going to be different stuff is going to be inconvenient stuff that you would really rather not do or things that you're going to have to do. In part of the getting the economy going again part of getting just us back to some semblance of normalcy is playing a bunch of these games and yeah will be weird to see a real major league. Baseball game played on some backfield at a spring training facility. Yeah it'll be weird. So what? So what and deal with it? And sometimes travis your emotions take over and you don't have a chance to fully. You know understand what you're saying. Sometimes you to say stuff in the moment without really paying attention to complications of putting something together all the things that they're trying to do ramifications away people going to respond to what you're saying so I wouldn't rule out that at the end today Clayton Kershaw Bien Arizona right with the rest of the major league. Baseball teams playing baseball. Just you know people say stuff you know. It's like no. I won't do that. I'm not GonNa do that right now. He's not even thinking about his family. He's not thinking about if in fact they push the button to do it. He's hoping and praying that it doesn't happen. Did it happens the traditional way but all in all major league baseball trying to get things going in the right direction. But it's this part of the code in particular that Kinda makes me say wait. Hold on a second. It's this part. There's something about being in the big leagues and you can't compromise that this is not one of the stadiums. DidN'T GET PAINTED IN TIME. And you gotta play an alternate site. The world changed. The world is different now than it was before this pandemic the rules are different. The sacrifices that need to be made are different. And that's just the reality can't say well you know. These games aren't really big games because they're playing in a in a facility. That's not a league caliber. So what I get what he's saying but it just it. It falls on incredibly deputies for me because everybody is making sacrifices to get through his thing and make it as best as we possibly can and to them say well. I'm going to be away from my family for sixty. Yeah that's awful. It sucks. I wouldn't want to do it either. But if the difference was to have a job or not have a job or go an opportunity to make some money and opportunity to help some other people an opportunity to do all these other things that come along with having league. That's the price we gotta pay. That's the price we gotta pick. Well isn't notice because you and I know it to the fields of the field. No matter playing in a stadium with eight thousand or stadium with fifteen thousand is still ninety feet to the bag. So I don't understand why is is such a difference if you plan a dodger. Stadium playing at a a replica and the Mini Stadium. That connor resembles dodger stadium to a degree. It's not to me it's not would it is either you play on you play in other areas on the road when teams empty when bad teams have ten thousand fans versus you and your sixty. I certainly believe that you know he's coming in from a sincere plays the same as my trout. But he's also coming from me place and he's gotta think outside of himself. There are so many people that need baseball. They need any kind of sport for more than just simply XS and os and w els livelihood are depending upon this and even though the seats won't be filled with fans more likely and even though some of the things won't be where it normally would be doing a normal time of year. You can get something going something. And oh by the way part of that. Something is hope. sports provides a lot of hopes for people. I just don't understand especially at this juncture of us. Dealing with this pandemic why distillers this level of. I don't WanNa say selfishness but I guess I will say selfishness like I just WanNa stands where you're concerned about you and only you when the entire planet is on pause right now in Clayton. Kershaw is a very philanthropic guy. This is not a selfish person. This said those e d I believe he is being one hundred percent sincere when he talks about not wanting to be away from his family. I get it. His his foundation is designed to help stop human trafficking for God's Sakes. This is a guy with a soul and conscience that he cares about people. He's just wrong here he just needs to go find a way to go play baseball for a few months. And by the way this idea that well once we start. We're going to do. You don't know that nobody knows that what we do in. May or June or July. They'd be very different than September and August in October beyond there. We just don't know we just need to get started and if it ends up that you don't get to see him for a while okay. Well like I said to you before. Travis it's sometimes emotions make you say things that you really don't mean and he may be in that situation. No one doubts that no one doubts that he doesn't want to be away from his family. I'm certain that there's I don't know how many baseball players ears but whatever however many You know fifteen hundred or whatever. It is baseball. I'm sure there's about. You know a thousand of them. That really don't want to be away from family. I'm sure yeah. Look they're gonNA figure it out and like you said unless the union gets a balls the guys are. GonNa go play. And that's good even if the to vote because at the end of the day when you ain't GonNa miss that money in always trying to get a TV money back to TV money back to the television networks and the networks. They tried to get the money back to the sponsors. I won the action hero draft ills e one the frontman draft the next one up the comedian draft. That's on the board next. That's coming up on the morning show on seven ten. Espn all right. So we've done a handful of different drafts with a handful of different things. One of the ones we did was our favorite action. Heroes from the movie I one. We did favorite frontmen from Some of our favorite bands Brown and Brown was not the best pick in the in these. Now we are to our favorite comedian. I still watch in the second the parameters or are we talking about. Just stand ups. Are we talking about people that are funding these TV? What are we talking about? That's a great question traveling. I just think funding man because when I think a Red Fox he was a really good standup comedian but a lot of people just know from Sanford and son. Why should we take that away from Chapelle? Show the runny nose your show but did you watch you stand. Ups Dude is funny so I I think we combine them so funny men slash woman. I think we should do you guys got that. Just this robot Shaun. What's your all right? So so so this time. We'll go back to one and you know what this is. What this is snake drafts a snake. That's right that's right. It's thanks for hey but Keyshawn you will go first this time followed by L Z. Then Travis will double up at the end because it is a snake draft. Go Hickey show. You can take off take Michael Jordan the World Richard Pryor in countenance movies as. Well obviously. Yeah you can't count to the everything you know I'm baggy. I'm glad you know that one. Okay that's fine find Joel Chandler. All right fair enough or enough. L Z. You are second. Who Do you have? I'm GonNa go with the Lebron James To has Michael Jordan Powell. Who Yeah that's my one. Yeah Yeah why why? Why ship Hell over some other favorites? That people are going to be going. He's Lebron James that means he's happy right now leading on a meeting or recently bias to help influence people do understand data. Chapelle will never catch. Richard Pryor look up to Richard Pryor and can't be better Dave Chapelle is arguably the funniest person I've ever heard in my life. I just I never seen somebody could take. Almost any topic is as uncomfortable as it might be Decide splitting hilarious. Chapelle is a great choice but I would argue that both of you guys skipped over the guy that I would have bet would be the number one guy. I regret robbery surprise. Well hold on no but we might catch him on the on the swing by interested. Eddie Murphy it's a snake draft Murphy Again Eddie Murphy Richard. Pryor Eddie Murphy has a career that is stand up to stanton. We went to a movie theater to watch him. Do standup up twice with delirious and with raw he has you go ahead and start listing off the incredible movies. That Eddie Murphy has been a part of Eddie. Murphy was one of the most iconic members in the history of Saturday night. Live Eddie Murphy. Hasn't resume and comedy that's long and as satisfied as anybody's ever so I'm GonNa Take Eddie Murphy with my first pick and then L Z. You mentioned did on the way back. I'm GonNa Take Chris Rock Chris. Rock as my second pick and then I got Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock. I'm feeling pretty good about myself too much so again. Both of those guys looked up to the number one overall. Pick the number. One overall pick had record albums okay. Those album covers. You actually used to sit in your whole just to listen to his records when you were a kid. Your parents listen to him. You will sitting there sneaking around the corner trying to hear all right all right. You actually did draft Jordan. You actually drafted Korean. Yeah it still doesn't matter every median when you hear comedians talk about being a comedian. What is the first name that they always mentioned? It can always look up. It doesn't mean they can't surpass the numbers will say the numbers come out. It will certainly say Richard Pryor's at the top. I'm next right. No no brings you up your second pick is my second pick is probably the goat of television comedy and I stayed as because this person doesn't have one doesn't have to have three iconic shows which she's won emmys playing funny women that is Julia Louis. Dreyfus that's good choice. Okay all right in house. They're standard issue. She doesn't have standup Seinfeld. Always exist absolutely so I am the one that you will be the first to pick a woman they just saying rights you're consistent with. That wasn't worried. Women are people too. That's gotta be. Were the odds on favorite upbringings. Show you have to pick. Because of course this is just make draft all right track with always with a little bit of diversity. I feel you. You started off. A Richard Property. Got Crossover every now and then because this show was on air for a very very long time in apparently not only the show but his standup is more of the ills E. Michelle beedle type comedy. Something that I personally would sit through but Jerry Seinfield. Jerry has to be right there with the best of them. In terms of the comedian world people would argue down about the Seinfeld show as well as his standup comedy across the country. Great all right so then because I love such great diversity and you know I don't know if I want to pick this guy but I got to pick this guy even though he's behind bars because you know bill cosby brought to who mercy me. Criminals -versities will now community to you. You you gotta put Bill Cosby and this. Even though his off the screen behavior was not acceptable right. I put him in here for not only the cosby show but the Jello his hand up Great Playboy Jazz Festival. I mean there's just so much when you talk about. Bill Cosby even the fact that he did what he did. We don't excuse dead at all but we you know it's a weird picked but I picked bill cosby okay. That's fair it's comedy is comedy that brings you over here third. Pick or now. They're picking criminals you Louis CK. I didn't think we'd rather go there but now that I keep an open it up then we are Louis. Ck Louis CK. I mean you people be mentioned as iconic an award-winning editor. Stand up is as biting and as as brilliant as any stand up you could possibly find and and as really hard to talk to too many comedians. Who Don't mention him and his comedy. So yes I'm going to do with C K Okay. So L Z win key bill cosby. I've got my master list here. I'm like well that means. I can add Louis C. K. Talk about some of the greatest running backs in the history of sports. Oj. You cannot leave out j Simpson. But I'm not taking him. I I give you pick bill cosby pick. Richard Pryor Fires Brings Travis. Of course you've got back to back because you know what it is. It's a snake draft. I do this next. Guy Is had a brilliant stand up career. He had hit television shows. He has been in multiple movies as the funniest guy on the screen is an Oscar winner as well Sadly he kicked out a while ago. I'm GonNa Take Robin Williams here in my spot so Robin Williams did everything. There was to do in comedy are Robin. Williams is my third pick. And I've got got a couple of different guys here on my board and I could go old school like key. I'm kicking around the idea of George Carlin but that feels a little dated so I'm going to go a little more moderate and especially considering that he showed up at our remote at L. AFC. I'm GonNa Take Will Ferrell with my income. Feral more funny movies in the last twenty years than anybody else is funny in person was SNL LEGEND. And of course all the movie so will. Ferrell is my final choice now like it I like it I was either brings you to your final pinker. You Rolling wit. I'm rolling with the comedian. Who has won nine Emmys? Three Golden Globes five screen at the Guild Awards and seven writer. Gills will righty guild of America awards. That is the woman who also wanted to mark Twain Prize for American. Humor became the youngest ever to receive this award. I'm going with the one and only Cena Bay. Okay I think you know I got two women things who in I? C C C would vote. You're going for all right. Keyshawn brings you to the final pitch in our funny man. Slash woman draft. Who are you going with? So I think I've gotten. I've went historical hall of fame. I've gone crossover You know I've gone stirred from you know. Creating from creating television shows to Jello puddings I did all I'm I'm across all sorts of generations now have to bring in some youth the young in fresh then everybody is still paying attention to not only. This young man can go on Stadium. Tours. Ain't that funny king. He sold out. I know where you're Lincoln field in Philadelphia. That's that's eight hundred thousand people in a stadium. A Stadium Not Maverick flats on credential. We're talking about a stadium in trying to set it up to make the viewers that are listening to us who I'm getting ready to pick is not funny. He's funny enough he keep getting jobs. Let's just say that he's a box office. Success in that would be the one Kevin. Hart all right okay. So he may not be funny to you. L Z because based on that is that you Michelle beedle. Took me to you talk about funny? Y'All wasted about our my dad time cooking. Of course we will have all these picks up on social social media and everyone can get the vote for their favorite funny man slash woman and this is. This is your top four. Were perfect but it's just different order. You can argue that all you want but a good draft guys traff Kevin Hart Bobby Brown of this drought. Ucla trying to discredit by draft. Cause they already know Tam. Richard Pryor Seinfield Bill Cosby. He Got Kevin. Fredricka tried to stop him blue. I was just. I can't believe the distant Kevin Hart we'll let me explain to me. What other media is selling out stadiums? All right we'll come back to explain that as well plus could Tracy McGrady have extended that pose. Run beyond the six championships. That's coming up next on the morning show on. Espn your home is important. 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We do these sorts of things. That's a calculated decision. It you in the front office. In general manager has the owner has to make that decision and if the owner makes decision in his wife signs off on it then you go ahead and you draft in what I deal with. Bill Cosby here are the picks key had Richard Pryor Jerry Seinfeld. Bill Cosby and Kevin Hart L. Z's four were Dave Chapelle Julia. Louis Dreyfuss C. K. And Tina Fey and my four were Eddie Murphy Chris. Rock Robin Williams and Will Ferrell. So we'll have those up on social and you guys can get the voting on that before too long one of the things that got mentioned very briefly in the first couple of episodes of the last dance with it the Bulls. Were trying to not only move Scottie. Pippen we knew that but the bulls were trying to move Scottie. Pippen for Tracy McGrady intriguing. Grady Says Yeah. That nearly went down quote with a lot of people don't know about that night is the jury cross was actually trying to make a trade for me and Scottie. Pippen and MJ called acts the whole deal. That brought me in for a secret meeting. Yes they did. You gotTA wonder and I love 'em James Loyalty to Scotty love. Mj's loyalty to to Phil Jackson. And everything that that represents Nj and Tracy McGrady as your number two. You've got to think that I know that. They had five at this point when they were thinking about making that deal but not only do I think they ultimately get six with that Combo but you wonder how many beyond six that would have been able to put together see. I don't think they would've gotten six when a young guy like that high school kid coming in and trying to learn how to play under Michael Jordan's rules you Jordan. Think about the way that he treated was it. Kwami Brown was young high school. It just you. You can't depend on that. Michael certainly was going after six despite what they wanted to do for the future. We want five now. You ready to do this now. You didn't you didn't tell me going out and getting a five year. Four year veteran guide. It will still young. That could push the envelope you. That's not what you told me. You told me getting Tracy McGrady and by the way they also probably could have gotten a pick the third pick of the draft which ultimately turned out to be Chauncey billips in that could have set him up for the future. But Mike wasn't thinking about the future. Mike was thinking about right now which he should have been thinking about. Which is why he'd nixed the the the trade in the first place you know so funny because as much grief as they give you know crowds. One thing is clear is that he was a really really good at constructing teens. Because you tell me like remember Tracy. I believe with tonight's Isaiah Thomas drafty. Ada Teams had an opportunity to get him Z. Got Me Toronto. First Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Zeke's ability. Discover talent. We all know is there. He's just isn't really good team but he knows talent and clearly cross-stitch too because he went and got tip he got horace grant really weren't talking about not like that. We weren't horace like that but he found Horace Grant and all these other pieces like how he cou coach. I mean he was so good at that and clearly. In Hindsight Tracy McGrady likely would have kept the Bulls at top and to your point key. They may not have won six right away but Tracy McGrady with Michael Jordan would've got six seven maybe eight. Yeah but again but Michael was thinking about six in ten. He wasn't thinking like that. He was thinking three six and eight. Not Six and ten or six eleven. He wasn't thinking that well he's stinking running back let's go let's go repeat again. That's where his mindset was at. This is one of the things that are not. You touched on mentioned earlier today. That because Jerry. Krause was so loathsome because the players hated him because Phil Jackson in here were not on the same page. There is no trust there. There was no. Hey you know what I don't like Jerry. He needs the rim lowered. He takes pills to not be fat and stay short all the things. That Jordan was humiliating for them. That documentary I'll be at that but the fact of the matter is key Jerry. Krause really didn't have a lot of MRS and and and if if there had been even a shred of a personal relationship there if they didn't hate the mere sight of the guy you wonder if he would've said look he's found all these other guys that built these championship teams. If he's telling me that this Tracy McGrady kid is the next big thing. I should probably at least listen to that. But because they hated his guts they were gonNA kill it no matter what. Yeah but but but that's why I got killed. They did not like him if he was a likable and he was respected being able to sit. Okay cool but the fact that you already told the coaching coming back. You don't already tried to run him out of town after the fifth when the owner had to get on a plane to fly to Montana to offer six million dollars to come back already is telling you no matter what this dude is saying. We're going to go against him anyway. Despite it hurting the organization in the future had you gave Phil Jackson three year deal. Whatever in May said to Michael? We're GONNA pay you forty five and fifty in the next couple years then. Michael probably signs off on it says okay. I get it but the fact that you started off with his adversary relationship in trying to make a trade at the same time minimize signing off that kick rocks or hey grab grab the Tim. Floyd cut because not only did he want to blow it up at the end of six championships and they did. He wanted to blow it up earlier than that that he went out and found. Tim Floyd said Hey. I'm thinking about killing this even earlier. His Tim Floyd on the Radio Baton Rouge. They flew me UP TO SEATTLE JERRY. Reinsdorf and I walked around downtown Seattle and they ended up the Bulls ended up winning that series. That was the first year Michael came back or walking around down down and he basically said look. Crafts wants to fill gone this year. He thinks that depends breaking down his back. He thinks that this team has run. Its course he doesn't want to obey these players as they're coming up on their contracts years he wants to move them before the four their contracts are up ninety seven ninety eight where we can still get value form and he can start to rebuild and Jerry Reinsdorf you know it was torn because they're winning but Jerry. Krause wanted a over and done with so that he could go back and basically take all the credit for the next rebuil- guys. I'm going to do something that I never thought I would do. I'm going to attempt to defend Jerry Krause for second. Isn't that what we get the most out of these guys win a bunch of championships and then move them for the next group of great guys before you have to pay him? Isn't that the job? Yes that is the job when it's done. The job wasn't done yet. It was not done had you. I deserve the right to defend my title. What the Hell's wrong with you? Why are you why? Are you trying to blow something up on top of that? We knew you were sneaking around Baugh behind our backs. Dula stuff because everybody talks. And I'm sure that's going to come out in. The next eight episodes is that they knew that he was trying to replace feel they knew. Come on man. You know these agents talking coaches talking big Tim. Floyd tell people of a Man. I got a chance to get to Chicago Bull Job. Of course he was sure. Sure it's it's I can't wait. Sunday can't get here fast because all of this stuff is going to be Jerry. Krause can't look any worse than he did to the first two. You just wonder if they try to resurrected and save some of the things that he did do well after that. The draft is on Thursday. We've done quarterbacks. The best five quarterbacks in the draft next the best five running backs in the draft. Kyoto's who they are. That's next on the morning show on seven to ten. Espn all right. So we did the quarterbacks yesterday the top five quarterbacks in the draft today it is the top five running backs in the draft some of whom will be selected in the first round on Thursday on. Espn key who's number one running back the draft. You know for me. It's a kid out of Georgia de'andre swift two five eight. Two hundred twelve pound guy who sub for four reminds me a lot of Mark Ingram of the Baltimore Ravens. A little squatty guy but built a me two hundred twelve pounds big thick legs. I mean. He's he's in a long line of running backs at Georgia. All you can go as far back as Herschel Walker. Georgia has pushed him out whether Sony. Michelle Niche Todd Gurley. I mean you look at the running back. History at Georgia is being pretty rich. So here's another guy that falls in line. He's the number one guy on the board out in New Jersey out of Philadelphia. He's an exceptional player. I look for him to be a first guy off the board in the NFL draft. How high in the first round do you think maybe he goes? I think he's a mid round type guy. I think he could fall anywhere in the fifteen down number two. The number two running back on the board is Jonathan Taylor. A lot of a lot of wear and tear on the body. Coming out of Wisconsin. You know about those Wisconsin running back state really put up big numbers in college. They tend to fade a little bit in the pros to again and they have rich history. If you go all the way back to Ron Dane. And as recently as Melvin Gordon you look at some of the things that they've done James. Why another guy that went to Wisconsin at the running back spot. Here's a guy though if five ten five eleven two hundred and thirty pounds sub for four guy whose thick I mean. I watched him against Oregon. They didn't they didn't want to have nothing to do with tackling him. They made a lot of business decisions in that Rose Bowl game but Jonathan. Jonathan Taylor seems like he's been around forever. Would you stay away from key because all that wear and tear because of Wisconsin you know? I'm not big at taking back in the first round anyway It just depends on where I getting. I feel like you can get more value in the second and third rounds at running back. We've seen that in the history of the NFL. You know unless you are a special guy. Marshall Faulk a girly at James. Those type of guys. That Peterson deal. I stay away from Bax in the first round number three the number three back on the board here yard sale. We mentioned we. Mitch Wear and tear on Jonathan Taylor which goes in line with injury history Zac. Moss win. Healthy is a very powerful good back very allusive not not a not a game-breaker but a five nine two hundred and twenty five pounds squatty guy again in the lights of mark. Ingram the Baltimore Ravens. He's the third back on the board but I think he's a second round late second round in the third round type talent because of his injury history if he wasn't entry if he wasn't so injury prone he had a nasty knee injury two years ago. Then he would certainly be right there in the middle of the second round. I pushed him down because of his injury. History he's a phenomenal back. Best Back in the PAC tin back. Twelve over the last couple of years number four number four is Clyde Edwards out of lsu. Another another phenomenal back. We've got a chance to watch him in the national championship game against Alabama dominating fashion of smaller guy of five seven two hundred pounds so he could hide behind those big offense alignment in the NFL. I think somebody takes him in the mid to late. Second Round Maybe even loom slide. Maybe a day to pick maybe into that fourth round for him. What about a guy? Like quieted words. Who was at? Lsu It like you talk over. Jonesboro that he's surrounded by NFL town. We talk about to US surrounded by. Nfl talent does the same evaluation. Hold true of running back. If he's running behind a bunch of linemen play in the NFL and NFL quarterback a wide receivers. Is it hard to pick him out? Because he's surrounded by so much talent it is. It makes your job tougher but at the same time. The office a lot is not great at. Lsu Wasn't the most dominating off his allies ever seen in College. Football solid offense alive but certainly his skill sets transfer teeny. Nfl looking at him. You're paying attention to him. You're valuate and his ability and plugging in your mind. What would he be behind your offense line not necessarily Lsu and finally number five in the Fifth Guy? Off My board is J K Dobbins from Ohio State. The Ohio State University another rich in history running back most lately. Zeki Elliott big-time Dallas Cowboy. This guy's five nine two hundred nine pounds Russia about fourteen hundred yards his freshman year. He's still a top tier back. He shared time over the last couple of years in the backfield but if he gets the whole he's only when you look at he's only a five nine back so he's he's got a little squatting this to him he certainly has some power played in a pretty pretty elaborate conference. He knows big time football. So He's a guy that you see in that third round tight. Mix very explosive. Been on a team with a lot of heisman trophy height whether it was chased younger or Justin feels Ohio state continues to crank out top notch. Nfl talent. He's another one in that long line of running backs coming out of Ohio state and then it crazy how much it's changed that you go back to not that distance to go and running backs were what you're looking for early that you take these guys early in the draft. Build your team around that running game build your team around that big strong guy back there and now like I agree with you. You're saying you know if I can find some value in the third or fourth round. That's much better than burning a first round. Pick on on a running back. Yeah and when you look at Dobbins he's a guy who's a day to guy who could be a starter in instantly in the mix for rookie of the year on the office side of the ball in the NFL. He is a pretty good talent. But you can find running backs in the later rounds. You don't have to take him unless they're you know like I said unless you are a Adrian Peterson Edgerrin James Air Dickerson. Marcus Allen you take him in the first round otherwise you know you kind of sit back and wait. Curtis Martin Win. The third four Frail Hall of Fame Guy. Any of these guys fit for the rent. I think all of them fit for the rams. I think they all fit for the rams but the rams aren't going to be giving them unless they decide to take somebody in the second round and they're going to get the higher guys in the first round but maybe there's a back like a like a dobbins that the rams select in the second third round if he's there for them or maybe they like Benjamin out of Asu. In the later Rounds Moss again is a guy who has a history of injuries. They just left. That problem would tie gross. I'm sure they're not gonNA want to revisit that again. It's just so interesting. What they did with Daryl Anderson last year. They drafted him very high. He was their second pick Taylor rap when I but their second pick was running back and then they didn't use them. We just don't know what Darrell Henderson is. Because he got so few touches last season you really don't know what it is and and that's going to be tricky because they don't get a chance to see him in the off season they won't see him again to the summer and based on the evaluations in the off season make lead you to think that we need to draft a guy or we need to look for guy or we got a certain type of mind frame going into training camp about what this player is and they don't have the opportunity or the luxury to be able to do that right now with no off season so we saw the first two episodes of the last dance on Sunday. Already get ready for the next two including one. That's going to be heavily concentrated on Dennis Rodman Dennis already given us some gold. You'll hear from the worm next on the morning show on seven ten ESPN.

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The Last Dance 1&2 Reaction; Landmark Sports Agent Evaluation

"Monday night edition of the pot. Got a nice little reprieve from our woes watching the last dance last night. That was fun. And we're gonNA talk about that. Then we gotta do another agent report Brandon Rosenthal Landmark Sports. It used to be a with raw pull inca there and Jim Tanner from tandem. So so their clients. James Harden Morgan Williams thaddeus young to tenor got. Joe Moran this year hundred dollar but he healed. Let's get started though. Danny you were not really a basketball fan during the George Bull Zahra. By contrast I grew up in the Chicago land area during the nineteen nineties. I was a high school basketball player during that time I graduated from High School in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I Still River where I was in my basement. Jordan hits the shot over Brian Russell and I jumped up and hit my head on the ceiling. Kosovo excited by way too low ceilings but anyway What did you think of course some of your big revelations from watching the first episode? I hadn't obviously picked up a lot from this team. Just by virtue of the business. We're in and all that but yeah. I didn't really become a big basketball fan for a little while. After this. I mean I would really like Oh four. Zero five was where I started sets a full. You know it's a pretty significant stretch after this team. I thought some of it was just you know in thinking about what our job is and how we would have reacted to some of the things at the moment and and for me the big one and we'll talk about the way they've talked about. Jerry Krause a lot more probably a little bit but just the sheer insanity of having the defending champions and the general manager announces that this will be their coaches last year. And it's not retiring or anything just saying he's going to be gone when you're star player the best part in the world arguably the greatest player of all time said he is my coach. Like I'm basically. He's my only coach that all. I didn't know that had happened. And that blew my mind. Well Tim Floyd to radio interviews today and he said that Jerry. Krause very awkwardly started approaching him back when he was the coach at University of New Orleans before even went to I would say in the late eighties across was Kinda buttering him up. Defame Ass- fishing trips. That Tim Floyd and Jerry. Krause would go on together. That was cross cover for meeting with void idea. They're fishing buddies. In fact cross had never been fishing. Heard that floyd liked to fish and had floyd like teach him to fish so that they had that as a cover for hanging out and getting to know each other of course employed took over the Bulls after the ninety nine lockout they had this bullshit fiction about how like Tim Floyd being hired and he was the coach in waiting and Phil Jackson could still be coach if you want to do which was contrary to what they said at the start of the of the ninety seven ninety eight season and then floyd today in this radio interview. He said that he met in secret with Jerry. Reinsdorf in Seattle in Nineteen ninety-six. They just want seventy two ten won the championship Phil Jackson. The coach of the year and Cross wanted to move on projecting said that he just couldn't deal with working anymore and so Jerry Reinsdorf told Floyd to tell cross basically like no. We're not we're not going to do that. You should try it a lot better but I I mean really. I think there's a lot to unpack your crossing across his just a an amazing figur- in a lot of ways. And if you've never read it I am church the sales through the roof now the Jordan rules and then the follow up the second coming but some of the stuff from Jordan robot cross. It is absolutely just remarkable. I got that book for Christmas in a of nine hundred ninety one which is about the Bulls Gypsies Jews and one of the greatest sports small time. Bye Bye Sam Smith but Yeah I mean I drove down here for a while but I mean that's just a lot of people were saying that would never happen today. Do you agree with that? I think the announcement that the coach was going to be gone after that season. That wouldn't without being like retirement or something like that you know if let's say Gregg Popovich or something just basically said he's he's done then. You could have goodbye to her for coach like that. In Jackson was legendary even in even in that stage of his career. He started his first job as a as a head. Coach was I believe. Was what the Bulls but the Albany patrol yes other. Yeah exactly and not to disparage the of course but hey and so that part of it was was something. I don't think what would happen now to a coach of his stature to basically say that and then with with also with with Jordan's public comments before that I mean in the dock they talk about the ninety seven finals but I believe they're better stuff as well and also his relationship with Phil which was of course very well known in more well known to cross everybody else so I think that that was something but then the other part and again there are ten thousand ten. We'll talk a little bit about the. Where are you going to transition? Something else got a few more thoughts on the Jackson. Cross thing no it relates but we can. We can talk about it and then we'll go to the park. It's about cross Yes so I think certainly cross was just such a Weirdo. He was he would do all this like crazy cloak and dagger stuff a lot of that detailed detailed in the Jordan rules but like a couple of examples that come to mind for me was he went to Dan. Marley out of central Michigan in the nineteen eighty-eight draft and basically like tried to promise him for like a third rod pick wanted him to shut his workouts on and Becca time. If you went to a small school Scottie. Pippen blew up in the nineteen eighty-seven combine when they were played. Five on five hundred. Most of the players play in that at that time Ed. So marley was like. I think I'm going to go to the combat any tribunal picky end up being a first round pick is really good player for while he definitely cross had an eye for talent. That much is pretty clear. I mean Pippen Horace Grant. I mean that's one of the Horace Grant. Criminally underrated historically One of the Any traded up to get pippen as well. I mean that was that was outstanding. Did a great job with that Has Been designed that now even more famous contract I mean. We'll we'll get to that. Don't worry don't worry we'll get to. There's there's some more context from that still. That was missing from the show but to me I think it ultimately gets back to yes. Cross had a massive ego the fact that he couldn't secure and just didn't get it that like. Oh yeah you know like we just one seventy two games? The idea that I would be trying to fire my coach instead of work with him. Like it's so it's so utterly selfish. Almost like yeah. I didn't like working with this guy so a firearm. Even though we just one seventy two games even though it's GonNa Piss off the grace period of time who by the way also really dislike cross going back to that that nineteen ninety-six of return from injury. Those detailed but Jerry Reinsdorf also like totally enabled. And that's and that's exactly what I wanted to go is I? Part of me is uncomfortable with it because I think part of the reason it is being told us ways because Jerry Krause has passed away he died march twenty seventeen although I thought I thought of that too and the that he died but there were many many contemporary reports about the same time. Oh Oh yeah absolutely I think. Part of what's what has happened in the first two and I can't say that this will happen. Moving on is I mean. People know that like on the long run of this show. I I try to use term management to talk and the important relationship between a general manager and owner and yes. It's possible you could argue. And they're absolutely is an argument. Credible one that crosses ability to identify talent made him worth keeping. But when you think about how a lot of this. This animosity was in the modern era. If the general manager is is a part of this much strife and you have the greatest player of all time. And you have one of the most respected coaches of all time wanted to highest profile as well then normally the the way this resolves is the the owner tells the journal Major. Get Your Act together. Or you're the one who's going to be gone and so both Reinsdorf and crausser in the hall of fame which is also interesting but REINSDORF. Also we have this other wealth of stuff like oh one of the other ancillary parts of the Bulls. Like of this break-up is they were going to get a lot more expensive. And we've seen REINSDORF be you know. Have all these flaws as an owner in the time after that? So I think that at least to this point. It's kind of gone under. It's been under discussed the like the financial element of this part of the story. When you consider everything else in the interpersonal with so much more interesting and you can get better quotes on it and all that. But it's another part of this that I think is important. Oh yeah definitely we. And I'm sure we'll talk more about the actual break-up of the dynasty when that part of the documentary comes out But yeah I mean I can't remember another GM who has ever at odds with their star player like this and this is the greatest player of all time. And you Eaton's book which have him on probably next week to talk about that About the warriors. Get into this. We see all the free agent. Recruitment shorter contracts as well. There really weren't shack was really the first huge free agent. Who is who is a superstar change teams of his own volition? He really started this era. Where Obama we gotTA keep these superstars? Happy I don't think anyone ever thought that Jordan would just leaving and go somewhere else but clearly is totally different environment now and no. Gm would ever ask like act like this and the idea that he could possibly be. Backed up by management was totally insane. Now the one thing that krause gets should onto much four is the organization's when championship. This is a alluded to in the story. That he was misquoted on that but he also could have just managed it and apologize well and and that's the Utah you brought up. Lethem's book I've been reading. Thank you to the top as well which gets do another different general manager type of relationship and and the challenges of like that I mean. It's a great example. Lethem's book gets into this too of how the general manager drop is really hard and how there are a lot of different elements identifying talent making trades making calls but another element is not only managing the personalities of the people involved which pros obviously had major problems with but also just maintaining relationships within the organization and with the press. And that's a pretty amazing part. It's like yeah it was. I think it was easy to jump on him but also like I mean he as you said. 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I don't know how many times especially when I was young. And you always remember the details better For when you're young oddly. Enough but when he signed a rookie deal. It was something like you know a six year deal out of the nineteen eighty-seven draft for under a million dollars a year and so he was very unhappy about his contract in nineteen ninety one and he signs the extension the three year. I'm sorry the seven year eighteen million dollar extension and I'm not sure whether that number included the number of the two years that were remaining on his original contract at that time but this is detail the Jordan rules that pippen. He has a back surgery during his rookie year. He saw obviously very affected by the paralysis. older brother and his father and so he was just very very focused on security. He was very very risk. Averse and so- reinsdorf said in the documentary that he said. Hey Scotty like don't sign this. And of course REINSDORF was also very adamantly against renegotiating any of these contracts and. I'm sure part of why he wasn't too interested in renegotiating pippen's contract was that Jordan's contract. This is his third contract with the Bulls or third and fourth contracts. That will the first one was kind of similar to Pippen's than they renegotiate that one for about three billion a year in the late eighties and that was like you know eight years. Twenty six million or something like that and because you didn't have any limits on the length the country's Magic Johnson famously Twenty five million dollar twenty five year contract with the Lakers in the early eighties and the pre salary cap. I think but nonetheless there wasn't any limitations on the length of contracts until the ninety nine. Cpa that the owners fought tooth and nail to get a in that lockout so then. Jordan is a free agent in the summer of Nineteen ninety-six by the way right through our continued to pay him while he was playing baseball which was apply. Smart move And then Jordan gets a one year thirty million dollar deal for ninety six ninety seven and it gets another one year thirty three million dollar deal from for ninety seven ninety eight and so the fact that he had to pay Jordan. That about Rodman was on a similar boat. He had a nine million dollar contract when year. Nine million in ninety six ninety seven and then four point five billion the year after that either because he was coming off a kind of a weird play offs and season. The adult is specially didn't have necessarily other options either. So that's part of why I didn't WanNa go shoot him. He didn't want to create a this precedent of renegotiating. A contract It was a great contract and now of course there the ability to renegotiate a Lotta these contracts under the current. Cba is lessened. We've seen very briefly renegotiations. You have to have salary caps. Facebook didn't have that I don't know whether Pippen wanted extension I I. I'm not sure what the renegotiation rules were exactly before that ninety nine. Cba so that some of the context here an auto it. What did what did you any thoughts on Pippin. I I've a few more but Did you know about all that soft before this? I knew a little bit of it and I knew that he had missed part of that season I did. I didn't know the and obviously their their their stuff that predates that predates this in terms of leaving the bench and all that type of stuff. But I didn't know that he deliberately delayed his surgery that which another one of those if that happened now especially with the team like. I don't know that that was even quite public knowledge. The like I was going to have my summer mean 'cause like now sometimes it becomes a big thing when a player like starts the season shape and uses the season to get in shape drawn. Talked about that one. So because of how long the playoff run but the idea of taking your summer and then having surgery is is again. That's what will shek did that in Where he had the famous line that he got hurt on company. Time to US going to Rehab on company time That was eight cameras. Those oh two or three. That might have been the O. Two three season of which shack with those two but it also reminds me a little bit of what Kyrie Irving was threatening to when he wanted out of Cleveland. Yeah the when the famous you're basically like I have an elective surgery. I'm GonNa take it miss that whole season. Yeah and and supposedly. It didn't seem like it was the greatest negotiate. Scotty maybe this was omitted from the discussion the documentary but it doesn't seem like he was like. Hey extend me or I'm going to wait until September to get this surgery or or early October to get this surgery and I. It seemed like it was just aren't mad so I'm going to do this. It didn't seem like it. Was that good a calculation also. A lot of people were shitting on Pippen's agent. Jimmy Sexton is a very successful football agent now but supposedly sexton encouraged him not to take the deal in the summer of nineteen ninety one and that that appropriately ties in with something we've talked about. We'll talk about on. This show ended other ones that it part of part of what agents tapped it you know they have to deal with the clients they have and so if players more risk averse they can advise but they can't force them to do anything. Yeah and I think cross to some degree might have had the right idea as far as you know. Pippen wasn't worth the next contract that he got probably a but it will get into the actual break-up in that nineteen ninety eight ninety nine nine period. The lockout had something to do with it as well of course but the last thing that stuck out to me and I I assume this is never gonNA get discussed. It's very easy for everyone to praise. Just like Oh man. Mj was just the most competitive guy ever. He was just unbelievable. That work ethic drove him. Let's praise all that. Yeah you don't agree me. I'm not sure you'd ever all these reports are anecdotal like who literally works the hardest. You know if you spend four hours doing stuff. That's not as efficient as someone who's doing it for two and a half hours. Who's working harder rightly that's the you'll never get an objective understanding of. Who's working the hardest whether he literally was the hardest working. I mean it seems like he. He came in he had that discussion with Roy Williams whereas I want to be the greatest player ever at UNC. And he's like while you're GonNa have to actually work so you know. It doesn't seem like he just naturally was working so incredibly hard a right in the beginning but part of the reason that having Matt crazy mentality worked was because he actually was good enough for it to be to get positive returns for right like that. Approach actually worked for him. He didn't really get humbled right like he. It actually was true that if he worked absolutely as hard as he can he could be the grace of all time whereas a lot of people really work hard. But you know if you only have the talent to be a role player ultimately. You're going to have a little bit different of mentality because you just you're not actually winning like you're gonNA suffer some cognitive dissonance at some point where you really have to accept what your role is accept that. Maybe you're not the best that can actually help your game and help your team. If you go to. That Jordan never had to actually confront that. It seemed like that's a great point and I I was struck by the so those above night quote that was included in the that was included in the dock and then somebody posted the F- The longer version of it which I thought was really telling and basically talked about how he thought you know. Michael Jordan was the most physically gifted player that he'd seen and then also the combination of being a competitor and all the things that he was special at and it was that combination. And that there's there's a parallel there with like coby and with Lebron that you have to have that foundation of being one of the greatest athletes in the history of the game plus the work ethic to reach that level because everybody else just the the ceiling just isn't and plus you also just had the type of body where you just didn't really get hurt. Never got hurt other than that one broken foot and then when he had knee tendinitis in his days in Washington when he's thirty nine and forty and also I mean that work ethic really lent itself to the to the later stages of his career to because when he became not the same athlete that he was that he had all these other all these other elements to his game and and I only got into it a little bit i. I'm not spending as much time on twitter right now of for various reasons. One being that there isn't the same type of news to catch up on sports but like a dip my toe in the whole like kind of the difference in shots and all that type stuff and I think what what is. I think that there's a fair point. About how like the League is just so fundamentally different now than it was then and the rules are different and something. I brought up as well as the selection. Like what what GM's are valuing and players is different that has a lot of spillover effects you if it's more important than a player shoots. Players shooter often worst defense. And so thus your defense is is devalued comparatively and all those things fit together but it is it is remarkable when you think about just how different the sport is you know that. I observed that the dishonest the the last dance regular season they led the League ineffective field. Goal percentage. I think was fifty. Two point one percent that would have been twenty third this year and that's not to say old. The League sucked. Everyone was bad or anything like that. It's just it was a very different world and it is. It is striking. I mean to watch. I mean you could see some of his mid range artistry in that extended clip. They did which was great of that. Celtics game in the in the In the playoffs and it is. It's funny as somebody who didn't grow up watching the sport to see that and be like. Oh yeah that's that's it's it's so dramatically separate from what we see now. Yeah this is something. We'll get back to when they do the bull jazz series. I think the the final score that game was eighty eight eighty seven the game six nine hundred ninety eight. You'll take a guess at how many possessions that game had to say I'm going to say one or two. Oh no no. It's where you lessons today. Seventy two possession. Oh my God oh yeah. I should've guessed that because there wasn't as the transition was so different. Yeah and zooming down before but part of the reason you mentioned more offensive players adding changing the zone. Rules is probably the biggest thing that the NBA could do because number one you used to be able to just go at these guys want to win. There was so much ice. Oh game that you couldn't have guys on the floor. Who would just get beat up and ice? Oh who couldn't guard there man one on one so number one with that zone difference did was it meant that. If you guys who couldn't shoot you didn't have to guard that guy anymore and number two. Is that if you had a guy who shoot but wasn't able to guardsman one. You give much more help to that guy as well so yeah on both ends it meant meant that offensive players were more important and so you didn't have just these as it really devolved into bully ball in the late nineties early two thousands and you know every team needed. Just have these musclebound six guys to guard the other teams of scores and same thing in the post. There is so much about just. If you can't guard your position one on one. You can't play now. That's not nearly as much the case anymore. I think it leads to much better looking basketball Last thing I want to talk about here actually. Let's take another break. I so the last thing I wanted to talk about was just thinking about Michael Jordan. The owner with all these quotas just absolutely completely insane competitiveness than how the point is to win every game. But he couldn't deal with sitting out at the end of the season in Nineteen eighty-six 'cause there's a thought that they are taking and trying to make the playoffs at thirty and fifty two. Yeah because sixteen to twenty three made it Yeah Yeah that. That was a teams Completely waxed in that first. Round of even in five game series they end worth during the Bulls. You know they got swept again. The next year by the Celtics to Jordan have nearly the same series and people the Celtics were like. Yeah we Kinda came up with Jordan rules for that series before the Pistons did but in any event I was just thinking about like thinking about seven and fifty nine in the hill. Eleven twelve season four than Bob. Cats and like Michael. A clearly has not owned the team with that. Same Level of competitiveness maybe as local competitors is to make as much money as he reasonably could but he lives in Florida like Jackie. Well everybody goes like skiing with his family's largely absentee owner for whatever reason both in terms of the monetary investment and in terms of just caring about the team in carrying about winning. He obviously doesn't care much about the Hornets winning as he cared about winning himself and some of that might be just that he's deliberately decreased the visceral experience of it. You know like when you're player. Maybe maybe he was just like you know. It's not GonNa work for me to win and I just I. I can't be around this every day or I'm going to go and say yeah. I think that's entirely possible but I'll be interested to see if they even mention the Charlotte bobcats and Hornets in In this documentary or if they mentioned the wizards at all in this documentary yup also. Mj Like had the absolute best style of anybody. Back that means seeing all the ninety s clothes and stuff with a pretty remarkable but he definitely had the best style just about anyone back then and That hasn't last as it turned him do agent evaluation to Brandon Rosenthal of landmarks Sports Diana Day also involved there and once again What I will say here is the public information about some of this stuff when players were with what agent is scant at times we tried to piece it together. Great help from our director of basketball research. Bendel on some of this stuff scouring the publicly available information on this. But if you happen to know that this is incorrectly so many we haven't gotten any corrections yet thankfully other than that one that we had to make about Jason But also worth noting here Danny that this isn't business school How do we do the grading on these evaluations a C? Average and averages totally fine especially in certain situations there might not be as much upside for an agent. Remember the word Ito. We're talking about the contracts that they negotiated where where if they were able to get a player drafted high relative to their talent level or their production. You know any of that type of stuff and and and so and you know what for another one of those for example if and unambiguous Max guy? Getting that Max. Contract isn't as amazing job by the Asia. Now if there's work that has to get into getting to the right location or something else that will we will note those specific considerations as we did extensively enrich. Paul's if you WANNA go back and listen to that but most of the time were agents like Christopher hypothetical is we're pretending that a member of our family or close circle was considering who to go to for an agent a lot of times. Those aren't going to be Max. Players there are only a small group. And so it's how do they do finding getting maximizing money and situation for their clients? Who were mostly you know middle class? Nba players because that's how most of it is middle class in minimum. Yeah we put a little more emphasis too on second contract not necessarily rookie contract since there isn't much headroom there to improve things. Brian Bowen is a with landmark sports but eased a two way. Don't have enough information with the the Pacers of Hollywood performance has been there either way. I don't think he was like supposed to be drafted highly or or anything like that. So who give him just A not applicable. They're not really enough information for a grade Dante exum was drafted fifth overall. Pretty good job. In retrospect getting him signed there because you'll remember his story he had a really Nice two thousand thirteen hoop summit and then he just goes and plays Australian High School basketball. There's some talk that he might enroll maybe Indiana in college. They decided not to do that for him. And in fact he was drafted fifth. That was a great idea. Obviously excellent has really struggled with injuries and ended up signing a three year. Thirty three million dollar deal as a restricted free agent and then was traded to Cleveland. As a I would think a negative value contract. This season as the jazz finally gave up on the fifth overall. Pick from twenty fourteen. I thought they did a pretty good job in getting that three year. Thirty THREE MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FROM UTAH. Especially since I was in the summer of two thousand eighteen I agree it was. It was a tough market for a lot of players. Restricted guys always have additional thing because teams don't want to tie up their money so that makes re signing with their current team much more palatable option to when he clearly didn't have any type of offer out there like that. I would assume so and river. Xm You had such a star-crossed rookie scale those for years. With where he had showed slashes at times but then also battled injuries and the jazz succeeded without him. And then you know some of his best times were as kind of a second unit guard and so to get ten ten million eleven million a year depending for we're going guaranteed money or or You know the incentives was. I thought that was was solid for them. That was something David Locke and I disagreed on going back back in time. And even Goya's recently is when they when they were figuring out what to do when they acquired by calmly and just kind of who was definite on basically who is definite on the jazz's books and all that and then they eventually moved in Cleveland. Yeah and I didn't hate it too badly for the jazz but I thought that they definitely overpaid to some degree. This is a good job of selling accents potentially really had developed a very limited way as a ball handler and shooter and so this was sold on potential. He was still young twenty two years old when this was signed but he has not continued about had another injury hit year last year. And so I give a minus for that one and a sin thing a a minus for the job getting him drafted fifth. So it's all work there. Now we go to Eric. Gordon Gordon's first. Fru full unrestricted. Free Agent Contract was twenty sixteen member. He was pretty enthusiastic about leaving New Orleans. Something he'd been trying to do for years after getting traded there in the famous Chris Paul deal and he signed a four year. Fifty three million dollar deal with the Houston Rockets. Twenty sixteen and instead of becoming a free agent. Which would have been he would have become a free agent at the end of this now hiatus season he signed an extension adding. I believe it is so it added four years. Seventy six million dollars but three of the last year that is fully non-guaranteed. Actually talking about this talking about the centerpiece with the athletic right now so we can talk about both the two thousand sixteen contract in the twenty thousand nine extension. Yeah the two thousand sixteen contract actually gave that a deep loss Now Gordon was not the player in New Orleans later became especially defensively but was one of the the. Nba's best shoes US coming off kind of a rough year. That hold New Orleans team was in two thousand thirteen but he stayed healthy for a couple years. You've been so injury. Hit with his knees during that he will say he. He played forty five games. Before you sign this contract so that he had been healthy before that but then he had a broken hand is what. It wasn't something that we freaked out about like the earlier. Injuries like when he was the first couple of years in New Orleans but he did miss time. I mean I was critical of the contract for Houston. I was wrong about that. One of the few twenty sixteen hundreds. I was wrong about because of the injury risk. And no in fact he was able to to stay healthy out before that but considering how good he was and how much less money he got than a lot of players who weren't nearly as good as him I think that's one of the few where he the agent I think underperformed a little bit in two thousand sixteen now he may have had more money elsewhere too. And you just wanted to go to Houston. That could have been part of it and certainly you've sent him to a place where he would have a great chance to succeed. I think that was the that may have been part of it too. editor deeply. That's like that's below average but not catastrophic relates. Let's remember that But then I would go with an eight minus for the extension that he signed. That doesn't even kick in until this summer. So He's GonNa be thirty one at that point pays him for three more years. Maximum possible extension that. He could have signed aside from that nine guarantee in the last year. Yeah and I think that was Gordon Thirty. One years old dealing with his injury history but also just the way that player players can age and then signing that extension than having you know partially to battle things but not the greatest year with Houston. I don't think he would have gotten something particularly close to this as a free agent especially twenty twenty considering the twenty twenty market is so horrendous and leveraging Houston is not the easiest thing to do in the world. This isn't Dante exum with the jazz couple years ago. So I think that it worked out really well for for Gordon and obviously for landmark to to negotiate that deal and it's worth noting of course that they have James Harden as well. That many cynics would say that that plays into things a little bit Also if you're going to say how much guaranteed would he get a on this year's free market? I mean two years at the mid level exception maybe like twenty million guaranteed basically. I think he'd be looking at something like that. I agree especially especially considering how young most of the teams that have cap. Space are like they wouldn't be particularly inspired at this structure and then a lot of the contending teams don't have a ton of flexibility either. Yeah James Harden. It's unclear whether he is still with landmark right now. According to Ben's research apparently on business matters he is now represented by his mother That per- Houston Business Journal. As of preteen hasn't had to negotiate a new contract but really a pretty good job has been done used with rob Pelinka before Pelinka left in two thousand. Seventeen to take the Lakers job. There is a renegotiation and extension. And I don't know how much of this you say. Rosenthal gets credit for what Pelinka did come up with Andrei Guatemala as well but recall that harden getting out of okay see was great for his wallet he didn't sign the accession in. Okay see and then got the full Max in Houston. Yeah there was a non guarantee on the end of that but that's true but it was but it was a trigger. Yeah yeah there are some like games played thing we're at triggered right yeah And then renegotiated and extended with some of Houston's extra cap space in the summer of two thousand sixteen that worked out great then he and I don't know how much is Aegis but remember that Russell Westbrook and James Harden Bour actually grandfathered in for designated veteran extensions in the twenty seventeen. Cpa I would assume that representation had something to do with that so and most of that was agreed to in late. Twenty sixteen of it may Pelinka was a part of that too and so that ended up being a four year. Two hundred twenty eight million dollar. But that can't be right that's five years anyway. It was a very good contractor. We might have the the number in there wrong with the two hundred and twenty eight million but So I I mean I think it's hard to say that anything has been done poorly with harden A situation where he had a lot of leverage but We have to say at least a B plus for both of those situation. Yeah and I think that's about the best grade you can give for an unambiguous Max Player. Getting Amax contract but I think the context is fair to to give it there and now we moved to a player who had a lot more ambiguity buddy. Healed healed was drafted of course sixth overall by the New Orleans. Pelicans in twenty sixty Johnson covering up his true age by. She deserves credit for that right. The people knew that he already was old. These people knew these twenty three already the modern Danielle Monte. Yeah I mean that. That is a fair point. Then of course he'll was included. In the was an important part of the demarcus cousins trade went to Sacramento and then Insana signed a in last summer in twenty nineteen signed a four year. Ninety four MILLION DOLLAR EXTENSION OFFICE ROOKIE SCALE CONTRACT. That will be declining salary. But it's still four years and ninety four million dollars for buddy hield so that's a pretty damn good job absolutely an. There's some differing reporting on. There goes between eighty six and ninety four. That's based on the inside of a good way to negotiate and get to an agreement with the team also a good way to win the press conference battle and hopefully to get your glad to agree to something Which I think was good and great job signing the essential now healed maybe could have had some suitors this summer as a restricted free agent. But also it's GonNa be twenty seven already so Maybe not as much of a fit for these young rebuilding teams that have cap space and eight. Good job taking the extension. Now you very easily could be like. Hey I'm a rising star one of the best three point shooters the NBA average. Twenty one game last year. I deserve the Max and say no. We're going to take this now realizing that it could be a little bit more fragile and it turns out it was. He was even started by the end of the year and year. I mean hard to imagine that he gets this type of contract this summer as well so good work on. What's more think about think about how much more strain there would have been on his relationship with the Kings if he were a pending restricted. Free Reagents coming off the bench. After the the eighteenth nineteen season he had as a point of reference. Not that it is the Albedo of anything but healed finished the era the portion of the season that has done now two hundred seventieth and and you know about that it's not great spots blow Carmelo Anthony. Who while a positive story? We talked about his defense on the defense team. Unprecedented story but a negative impact. Actually another Tucker. He had a positive impact relative to who he was. But that is true. That's also like a spectacular statement about who he was replacing on that on that trip. Anyway this is the buddy healed section. I thought they did a really good job for him in getting players to be risk averse. I don't know healed if healed was personally or or was not but to get them to handle that especially when he did not have the tools of somebody like jalen Brown Brandon Ingram to really have that year and also was shooting guard. Only player. Just doesn't have the same kind of value as a larger wing to get him to take the money. Then was I think a great move into negotiate money. That was acceptable in the summer was great untruth. Oh you didn't give that a great all. Be boss absurd. I put it in my sheet and then I forgot to say thanks for money so Igwe Dalla getting to the warriors with all those crazy sites trades is giving up two first round picks a lot of hard work there on the initial four year. Forty eight million dollar deal in the summer of twenty thirteen. That's not part of this. It's too old but worth discussing anyway. And then three years. Forty eight million fully guaranteed warriors. Were trying to offer more along the lines of a two year deal with the third year nine guaranteed he managed to get them out to with the number of machinations meeting with Houston in theory. And I thought was this was this was this the Sacramento leverages or had already been born Will the second leverages were definitely in the summer twenty thirteen? They offered him more in theory than the warriors did. There was talk that he might meet with the Kings. I remember it being more about getting a mid level exception offer from the rockets the summer of two thousand seventeen m member also that Kevin Durant actually took last so that Livingston and Igwe. Dala could return in the end. The bill wouldn't be as bad for the warriors. Wars had full bird rights on him but they clearly didn't WanNa pay him beyond the summer twenty nineteen and they ended up trading him to Memphis But to get the forty billion guaranteed over fifteen million a year. When the only other offers he coulda had were eight million a year that was impressive to leverage his way out of that And then the trade to Memphis. That couldn't have worked out any better. Either I mean that was fantastic. Did got to stay at home in the bay area. The whole season not putting more miles than his legs and then to get this trade to Miami where he signs La- an extension for another fifteen million next year and a team option the year. After that I mean that's that's all outstanding work. How much of that it's entree. How much of that is. Actually his agent not really clear but in terms of just the pure result. You you gotTa do be very happy with that. I think you've got to go at the a solid B plus and then I would even go as high as an a minus on that sexy this most recent too of Miami and away to think about we did this with Erik. Gordon is well what would he have gotten as a free agent and dollar would have relied heavily on progress? We don't know where he would have ended up. You know maybe still ends up in Miami without this extension but it would have been hard to replicate even with the team option to get that to get fifteen million in guaranteed money. I think even that would have been challenging four dollars. Maybe maybe it could have gone over two years from from a team not weighing I think increases market value. Oh I completely agree. And so if getting that fifteen million locked in for one year on a competitive team is excellent. I mean that's that's really really good work less one here is Shabazz Napier. And he signed that rookie scale deal in two thousand. Fourteen dropped by the heat potentially to assuage Lebron James. Never seen anything in Miami never did anything. Orlando blossomed with the top fifty five protected. Pick deal in Portland as a backup point guard and I was surprised that he couldn't get any offer from Portland and who did not even make him a qualifying offer and then to get a two deal at the minimum as they with the second year. Non-guaranteed that to me was below the player's worth. I don't know if they just haven't done a good enough job of selling him clearly. I mean the the you know the nets move on from him. They had to include it in the deal to golden state. The warriors said didn't value him at all it seemed like and then he got moved again by the wolves to Washington. A LOT OF TEAMS DON'T VALUE THEM. And also maybe it's not fair to give a low grade for only getting the minimum. I thought he was a quality. Backup grabbed the U. Is Worth more but I was not able to get that forum I included. The League disagrees with me but I think that they should have could have done better. Done a better job of selling him. I mean Yeah Portland. All these teams really seemed to give up on also signing in. Brooklyn out no other offers they had but signing there when Brooklyn already had Spencer Dinwiddie and Deanza. Russell didn't seem like the smart. The ended up playing one. Did he miss time and did something but I mean again. I don't know what the landscape but it's hard to say that they did a good job for them. I've seen napier as a you know. Not The greatest backup point guard but a more solid one than the League has for years. Now I mean. I remember lampooning Portland for for what they did and Ochej bet on his ability to find new bench players. I worked out better in eighteen. Nineteen than it did in nineteen twenty but napier and then. He's done a solid job. On the wizards as well after he he ended up thereafter all the machinations around the trade deadline. And everything like that. And so yeah I would agree with you that whenever you know it. Definitely a part of it is that the League thinks less of napier than we do and that's worth acknowledging but at the same point I mean you can compare him to his current Team Dismiss. Who got two years and I think it was by twelve million dollars and while I understand. You're not getting ish with money. Being so far removed from that is strike. Yeah last one here is tyas Jones and this goes back to the the PALINKA DAYS. Us drought the twenty fourth overall. In two thousand fifteen that left to join. Kevin Bradbury beady. We talked about that on our last agent review. Those just a solid see for me. Getting drafted twenty four th in. Twenty fifteen so a we can Wrap this up a little bit longer on the last dance and I thought we would. So what we save. Jim Tanner for another time and anything that you WANNA talk about before. We go here. If people haven't listened to the PODCAST. Did we come Pelton? For Real Jim Radio. It was about his dynasty rankings. And the last dance so you can get a little bit more context for it now and then I have a bunch of pieces in the works for the athletic including A. I'm working on one on the rockets. You can look for that. I talked about it in the air. Gordon comes up of course In that in that as well so that should be out I would say probably be out Wednesday but you can keep an eye out for new course on twitter. Cova Daily News. We actually got a nice endorsement from nate. Silver on the POD over the weekends. Really appreciate you telling your friends by that that has its own feed search Cova Daily News. Or Nate Duncan. And your podcast player. You'll find it. 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S2 E33: Barbarino, Superman, Mork, Trump's Hair and More!

The All New Dennis Miller Option

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S2 E33: Barbarino, Superman, Mork, Trump's Hair and More!

"This is Dennis Miller option, your source of opinion, stories and laughs from comedian and inactivates, Dennis Miller and his guy Friday, Christian Blat. What's up Hiroshi? Let's light, this candle who ladies and gentlemen. Dennis Miller, Larry King studio. Already people rewriting me fuck the Russian operative, Larry had a heart attack sitting in for money show, a nice people. But I honest to God have seen that. What's Putin's dictates light strawberries. But I haven't seen anyone ask it's too loud. Sorry, I forget, you get excited the an insurance business, and you're excited being out of the house. I love my kids being away from them. Even more me. All right. Oh, I see. So Lindsay, what's the microphone pointing at no one for instead of pointing it? Lindsey. Why didn't? Wait watch this joke. Claude rains resort today. Sitting next to him, sir storm. Magin. Imagine a storm in a relationship committed relationship with Reed Richards and it's one of the most amazing superhero things mister fantastic. Sure. But it does not work as far as an erection, turgidity, always isn't some sort of collapse or. You know, like the abyss where the silver stuff is always two mainly -able. Let's face facts, Mr. fantastic's talent serves him in many areas, but not maintaining good, solid erection. And at some point, you can sue storm around all you want, and your brothers on fire, and, you know, your other friends, quite frankly, would Steve McQueen went down to Mexico to try to get extracts from the peach pits to cure, his terminal fork answer, but your problem is that the, the salt and pepper guy you're dating cannot maintain solid erection. Hey, what show do you think this is at this point? Welcome to the Dennis Miller option. And I tried to open up my phone to read some jokes that I wrote over the weekend, but I hooked the phone up to something called Jabra elite head head buds. Yes. Sure. They're like year things. No, my phone will were. I have to go I'd have to dig into this knapsack find the Jabra, and then, like, turn like little things, maybe you see them. You think are those, the jabra's or those little mouse pellets that will give me hand. I always I am. We'll be an Ellis Island for Anta. Wherever I go on a hike. And I'm in the foothills I tell you, I find those little those little I call mouse Capers. When I was growing up, we call those dessert. Hey, we can't all grow up. Let's go man. I'm sorry. Whoa. That's too far. I put a joke up, and I remember one of them, this is still a little too loud. And I know none of these Dow's control my loudness in my ear, but we good down just very. No son, smooth play misty for me. Time for long distance dedication. I'll do a German far bow, and the lighthouse have you seen the fog? Once like at ages ago. I don't mind, please there's a fog greenback. It's not as good because they get into global warming and shit. You know, I always liked it when it was just what causes the fog demons from another more believable what causes well, the temperature the polls show though. Leave the pope stick to the hell is on. But anyway, the we began yesterday we have Christian Blat and Lindsey Floyd. Oh. So we're just is that your name. That's my name. Get back Tim Floyd. Worst NBA record number. I was a cat who coached after Phil Jackson and Chicago poor bastard. They brought him in, like Phil Bankston. What is this tableclo-? Shipren on a stuntman after he's trying to do the sofa millation thing there wasn't a. Last time we were here, they had no tablecloth. So I brought this from kill room at my house. So I thought it would be. All right. Right up the furniture understand kill. What are you using to reinforce them? Mudpit in here basement, you still use in regard to your crazy with that rebar. There's new, there's new cardboard bracketing that you can use it. I'm telling you, you, can you could use it in the remake of the Thomas crown affair to keep an iron door up in the met. You don't have to go rebar. No, no, no. Have you seen a movie lately? Thomas crown affair, the, the one with Pierce. That's what I thought you. I'm not it's I think it's great. I really enjoyed it. I, I don't think I've seen it since I saw it in the theater, though. And Dennis Leary. I don't know much about his comedy, but certainly is a commercial spokesman and in that movie, great, I never watched his firemen show. But yeah, I hear it was grade. I'm not saying I didn't hear that. You know, some people do that thing. Now, they, they mispronounce the name Letterman, I think birth debt where he'd always put the on front of something that everybody knew, hey, Paul deal. The McDonalds McDonalds act like he was pure Dessel than the rest of us. I remember the big move this is going back. Twenty five thirty years was to pretend that you didn't know Beverly Hills nine oh two one whatever. I said they've the other I in a clip for Konya and the. Paul was in his beard in. Appeared in times. It's. Cales place north. The frozen lake houses cO the fortress of solitude course, bringing chick home to an ice cave. My lowest went nuts. Well, yeah. That's that's that's superman. He brings Margot Kidder up there. She was never the same. I cannot believe Chris and Robin becoming roommates. Let's still boggles my mind to this day that more consumer or roommates. Julia what, what are the odds of that? And he was a sweet guy. Chris. I mean, I can't say knew him well, but I knew him through, and we'd go out once in a while and LA Christ, I cannot tell you the looks I'm trying to think who else got looks like that one more, consumer man would walk in which I can imagine, the, the roof Travolta, got that one. Sure, under being where we're really you're in. New York, we're out Kevin Neal was good friends with Sammy, we just down here and. We walked up. You know, we're search tidy on in an unguarded matter. John was knotted his pinnacle that point, he'd done, the lily Tomlin film, is this stuff embarrass you. Fucking look at me. What are you looking away? Now took a Rask preparing for the hockey game. What do you what? What are you looking down? If you remember the first time, I met you fifteen years ago, you said, never look in my house for more than three seconds, five seconds. You're gone. You're gone. That's what I was caught in the X men, and they worried about how to the ruby courts visor had a loose visor. And I said, don't look directly in my eyes dessert, you're searching, a medical term, but we're out one night. And we were talking about what John's comeback vehicle was going to be. And it turned out to be Tarantino. Yeah. Would say Pulp Fiction. Yeah. But he remembered did a film about a fake Russian city in the midwest, and I can call the experts. Yeah, he just wasn't happening think he met his wife on that movie. We. Well on there. You know, so the that's an are still together and happy I always see their house. They have driveway that leads onto a g five I love that, that's not the ultimate fuck the world move when you come down, you know, and it's not a Nissan stamps fucking five at the end of the driveway. Howdy. I'm gonna I'm just gonna taxi down the Vence. Get some pomegranate, eyesight a size. Lindsay. Called out near victorville where they do. Periodic Clinton just say. What, what's the good word to get out? Lindsay's cleanse would involve a twelve pack of famous Amos cookies for my experience. They're, they're spun ranch where Charlie whenever I hear one percenters, I always think of the Manson, family around a campfire isn't that Manson family talk? Oh, yeah. Let's get the one percenters you've ever that great sketch that. And I had a joke, I wanted to tell you what else was the triple, I'll get back. So I've got two things. You get back to. But when Ben Stiller had his great short-lived show that he got wacked from I think it was like ten episodes. Yeah. But it was a murderer's row. I thought Ben ODI Janine in her peak. Yeah. That was always, and, you know, whereas Janine I don't think she where I I don't know the comedy out. She she's done some acting like she was on a season at twenty four and you'll see her in movies, probably not for a little while. But I, I don't think she's done comedy. Gerald killer the beginning. Yeah, she didn't like me, but I remember had a thing with her one night at comic relief, where I was on a tram that would take you to your car after comic relief because it was at the universal amphitheater and the sticks because it seemed oddly. Well, what's the word Trump choosing with Megan nasty, but because I'd always gotten along Jimmy, and I always thought she was stoned killers, a stand up comedian, and we're on a tram, and I was sitting there just minding my own business. And somebody behind me say, hey, Mr. can I get your autograph, and I turned her on, and it was Janine and two other mean girls like that. They, they were chortling that I so readily turn. Her out like I was one of those guys who pink comes off, busy, smiles, X file. I wasn't just trying to be nice. I thought you know I didn't know it was was hurt or and they had a mean girl on. That's a little weird. But anyway, yeah, the, the Stiller show had an amazing and they did that great sketch which was a parody of Lassie called Manson ever. And you know what in Kirk was Manson? Yeah. Advance and came home, and he jumped up on the kitchen Connor, and the June Lockhart Kartozof Manson, Where're you bid, and then he starts talking crazy Spahn ranch talk that I was just referring to there. There's a holy rain coming. Why eighty black here going into the desert only one family's gonna survive and the mother's like making cake better? And she looks because what's that Timmy's hurt? She's misinterpreting Manson's mad musings in the same way that they used to interpret lassie's parks her. Timmy's hurt but killed me that scotch anyway. So Stiller he won an EMMY for that. By the way, they had just fired him. And the they won the EMMY for the best writing team. I wasn't John, too. I think John was a writer on the tier young and judge had written a sketch about a sock puppet. There was just a tube sock on somebody's hand and he did a out of protest all notes. He got from FOX. They fire him after six episodes with that team. That's talent they could not pay for they whack him. And they win the EMMY after six episodes, as a point where FOX wasn't women winning Emmys for anything. It was like married with children, New Jersey Allman. Yeah. And they call Judd and say, hey, we're sorry I guess we jumped the gun can can you put together proposal to do thirteen on the air with a sock. We're feeling Alf heat off of that sock puppet. Get me started on my L story. So anyway, I wish you had announced new. No, no. I can't tell you would hurt the man's feelings. But some Muslim. Oh, we all know out had his problems. It's all right. It wasn't about Al caz member. So now we go back I had a joke, but I had something else in. But you're talking about you're talking at Christian is expected to come behind me. He's like a he's like one of those hounds who's trained to route out the trophy near the earth system. I believe you're talking John Travolta. Oh, he walked up to a window that had like sort of a Wayne's coating curtain in halfway. You know what wainscoting his way have a wall. Sometimes curtains, go halfway across. I think it's pretty prevalent at Harry's gyp Ronnie restaurants, and we just stood there. And he looked in the window. This is why John's out of it. He just stood there. Like from here. And I'm showing you where it was on the radio right about it the clavicle line. And I'm telling you the entire restaurant like Linda Blair heads just. And you realize what true famous man. It just fell in a way like fuck Danny's. Zucca. Tony minero. And you know, we kind of new at that point. John would be back. I remember that he came to Denver to see Kevin Dana nine show day. Dana was doing a really herky-jerky impression of him. Oh, he does like young Travolta. He does a great while still. And the Travolta came out on the stage. I've never heard a noise like that like came up behind him. Like what the fuck is this guy making fun of me and you could see people could not to three thousand seat room. People could not process that is fame, man. That is such a big thing crazy fame. Glad he shaved head. I think that look works for him to by the way. I'm not even trying to do comedy. I just think it's a it's a good look. And I want them to know a a my eyes on hand. Well, listen, if there's anything the book ends my life, as a man, it's going from Danny Zuko zehr. To lex Luther on barberie. No good to see any barberie. No balled. That's not disconcerting. It's like any showing up and you know, you'll Brenner is wearing kid and play haircut. Perfect. Oh, my joke was another this, this'll show, you how you, you wonder how you fall into some would you say, it's my crews, and chasm Mariana trench, where would you say that, this, you know, it's more like pod being received as hot being received? Well, I think we always see and it just got taxed from show business. Says we don't want you. To you have Kevin search show of the central. The. Well, that's why you had the noise wouldn't make sure you don't miss. But this joke to me seemed so simple and not a great listens. Not candidate. But it's a nice job and people, the retort you get on the internet. You think when no wonder MMA, hooking up with people comedic Li if this is the retort I get I say, oh, I'm excited. I just got hired to do a Ted talk on Vincent Van Gogh's, brother. And his name was Tayo. Of course, know that from Don McLean songs, and Tayo door. Theodore's a the short for that is Ted. So it takes ten talk, and people writing me would not be a Tayo talk, and I'm thinking Christ. I mean, this isn't exactly fuckin- I- Kia with an Allen, wrench. It's joke about Ted being the abbreviation for Theodore entail. And then I thought you know, I want Dennis this was an on them this is on you. That jokes got too many moving parts. I'm gonna simplify Joe. Folks, and I can promise you in the future. They'll be more jokes. I'm doing Tayo talk about tale Van Gogh, and then people go, that's not narrow there. If you did a Ted talk about the night, the Ted Danson showed up in black faced per day. You're right. It wasn't a you're right. That's key. You're usually, I don't quibble about spell checks grammar. That's a key thing. It's one in the afternoon. Fifty seven and seven getting out of a handsome cabin complete black man. No, you're right. I had a ball. Beautiful move. And I know just. Oh, sure. Sure. And he's okay. Okay. I'll get my freak on. I think he was living sort of, you know, he's an honorable man his wife who's sick and he was, I think he had nursed her through. Yeah. Very sweet story. I can't remember the all the details of it. But his wife was ill. And I surrendered would Mark once up in montecito where I live and hemming breakfast. This is the oddest showbiz sentence ever with Jonathan winters, and sitting across from us was Richard witted, Mark and Jonathan knew him. So he went up and said, hi, and Richard was with his wife and dick wit marks still looked great. He still had a little golden Alan Ladd little bit nece hair wasn't white yet and his wife. I don't know their story, but she had aged much. Maybe he married her when he was younger than her, and I'm not casting any Berge. I'm not trying to be me. I was so touched by how he was with his wife, who was a little distant. I am trying to from is office, and so sweet with her. And I thought, wow, I love people take that vile seriously. You know about forever and ever in sickness health hall, and Ted Danson did that with his wife and I think I don't quite know what had happened. I don't remember the story but they were no longer together and I don't know if that was medical or but he was with Whoopee and what he's, you know, he's plays the you know what he's out of wildlife. Let's put it that way. And I know she talked Ted into getting his freak on. And he's like, hey here we go. Home in black face, then you step out of the handsome cab, and you realize before your foot, as your foot hits the ground. A bad idea. Oh man. I honestly got my stomach can get upset thinking about that. Because I've done stupid stuff like that, where I've said something out loud. You know talk off the cuff for years, you're gonna say shit. And as soon as I can't even regather it and I wasn't in black face. And I wasn't like so hyper about stuff and this was right. Political correctness hadn't hit fully, you could see would never have thought of this. Right. You know where I was at this Dior exhibit in Dallas, that I went to just amazingly beautiful stuff, and I my wife forwarded to me a review of the Dior exhibited in the Dallas paper. And I'm telling you, it was a stunning testimony demands eye for beauty. I, I know people say one is that it's an unbeatable. At some point you gotta throw up a flag periodically or set off a flare and go, I still see beauty, you know. So it was touching in that way, when an eye, the man had, and it was all by cultural procreation under. The new, you know, I guess the new lady who's in charge of Dior, and the are was only died when he's fifty two which blew my mind, and it's gone through June Franco Faure and you've Saint laurel. And a man name, rob Simmons and tracing. John gagliano. And then there's a couple of other people in there. It gets to this woman today. And she, I thought they were beautiful gowns that honored it looked like African traditions or, and she got ripped and the review then what, what did weird time we live in that the skies take away from that as cultural procreation. I often wonder all these people out there not want their thing on it at all. I guess they don't right? That's only if they feel the right, people are honoring it. I guess, you know, it's they, they have to determine his previous work compliment from somebody. They were beautiful, and I just thought, boy, we lived at we live in fucked up. Stupid times. Don't we? I mean really, really? Fuck. Did you ever think it would be this fucked up, folks? I mean honest to God. I didn't I had no idea that this is what when you were imbued with sacred insight knowledge. Fairness equity baba, baba baba bother to turn into this much of a bullshit scene. Because men, it is up tight nobody's honest with each other anymore. Everybody's covering their asses. I'll fucked up on this show Sunday. Get wacked say something candidate just the nature of the beast, we live in the Handmaid's tale. And yet, it's people like who want to express themselves and still talk in some way candidly, who are perceived to be the, the, the oppressors, or the destroyer, an iron rant said, but it's really the champions of it that are making it so uptight, jeez. I mean I didn't even say anything more because I'll fuck up. There you go. There we haven't I'll be. Forming June eighth in Honolulu. And I've got a handler politically correct. Spotter travels with me as name's Ugo, and anytime I get near anything volatile. He comes over holds me in his arms was present my ear to tell jokes about mcnuggets, June eighth in Honolulu mcnuggets, the chicken lost its mcnuggets because it was born a woman chicken. Trapped in a man chickens body. Christ. I told a friend of mine near the day won't even say his name because he laughed at the joke to get him in trouble. But I said somebody to do a. It was a sports reality show, and I won't say the sport because then he'll be clues he laughed, and I don't know what's jai Alai. It's okay. And well, listen. I think people know that when I'm off here either live at the greyhound track, or the Fronton in Boca. And that's why I did that joke. I get in trouble for that joke where they were talking about Al Jazeera went after Peyton Manning. Remember that I do now to mention it. Yeah, I said, why don't you stick to sports? You know, like highlighing the disembodied, head of the infidel around downtown Mozell. We don't do that. Okay. I'm sorry. That's, that's Daniel Pearl's family. But anyway. Sports reality show that you won't say sport. Yeah. Where it's men and women competition. But you have one floater, who transitioned starts out on the women's side of the are the man side of the activity, and then you shut production on right at the mean point, and they get become a woman, and then you come back for the latter part of the season and they're on the women's side of the competition. Now, I think this show this show will get made I in a second. Yeah. Absolutely. I could've said that in the past and somebody. I didn't I wanted to laugh and I'm like, wait a minute. Who could we sell that to, to? I know anyone at logo, you know, you could go in and pitch something about transitioning. I don't know what you could call it maybe could just be a game show. General knowledge show like you see at night called the fulcrum where somebody starts out and say, it's a guy on one side wins ten thousand dollars on the first half hour of the show, Fulcrums into the women's half of the draw in the second show wins that also and gets eight thousand five hundred. What's oh I'll be June. Eight in Honolulu. Hawaii Aloha tickets available at TicketMaster dot com. In this office, I can. Ma bowl. I don't care if the balance is wrong. I wanted to say Mahalo like Donna Reed tossing lay into the water on Monty, Clift at the end of from here to attorney. And then now this is a rock and show somebody else they're booking this tour now Winstar world casino and resort all be there with David Spade and norm MacDonald. Now, I would pay to see either of those two guys. And I'm Brian listen. I've been hitting the ball, pretty well lately trying to think of new joke, I knew joke this quarter. I do a quarterly audit tax. You could do a new special in ten years. What else up an oral? I'm excited what he stuff. I got plenty of stuff. But I did want to tell you, you haven't spoken about this, where I was this past weekend for a dear friend of my wife got married. We went to New Orleans for the weekend. So if you go to Brennan well Brennan's isn't Brennan's anymore now. Yeah, they the Brennan family, apparently, there's so many politics, involved, they edged out the part of the families that commander's palace. And so this is the other contingent of the family, also, I couldn't get a table. So I'll say that it was, you know, for the, the loyalty to our friends, Ted Brian. No, I didn't even you know, I went to just some of the, the, the lower end places, but go to mothers, I, I went to a place that I love called coupes, and I get I always go there because they have to dishes one, the rabbit jambalaya, which I, I don't eat a lot of hair, but I, I can't believe you do I cannot bring my. Myself to. You eat anything that, you know is befriended by Winnie the Pooh or, you know, I think of the lower Abbott coming and it tastes good. We yeah. And we, we had ER kebabs alongside that. And then a big stores, defer Robin with little apple in his mouth. But he had little shorts on kind of cute. I mean, he was, I guess I thought you had to be alive, if it was considered countless, what is coupes other dish here. Chilean soccer teams. Over Bryce people for what, what else he other dishes, the chicken chop tulips, which is the name of a street there. And it's, it's got some, some of the little Tasso ham, and you put some of the some of that, and Dewey in there, and it's a hassle ham is little piglet that strippers hang off their breasts. Tussle or to to go to eat on the plane. I got a got a poboy, which was alligator sausage, and I got no problem now getters, because, you know what he would do to me. His part of you existed, you like the quest for fire something. So when you're on the road, anything that doesn't move quickly enough euro on. Exact she's I it's crazy Christian did you go to the hot dog place? Do they have? I don't like those sandwiches. They have their, the muffled, they just taste like olive like, no matter how much you say, like go easy on, I only taste never hear the word my philosophy iced, I start laughing. It's dirty old uncle of telling you a joke. You know. But what about shake shack here met fan? You must love a nice shake shake six around the corner. Now, I know rather, please don't tell them around here in downtown Tacoma. Yeah. Exactly. And yeah, I love shake shack. I will let saunter over there doing knock a couple of these off. That sounds good to me. I got no problem like she got to get home and breastfeed. The kid kid Mamula. No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna probably you don't eat something else with a smile on it. But we'll joke I used to do about if I parachute it out of the plane with, like with bear Grylls on man versus wild. He did it shirtless. One night, I said God, if I did that I would be it would be death by Mamula flutter. It would be beaten debt like the speed bag and Floyd mid, there's Jim. Hi hat tom-tom combo. Gene croup is kit when he was in the middle of a full, bore crank, Jack and. And they'd say next. So what do we have voicemails? What are you guess today? No guests at you know what I want to do at the end of this, though. We're doing to back to back off to Hawaiian sweet, and there's no studio. They're aloha. Yes. Oh, yeah. And by the way, I'm gonna look in on that strip mall, paralegal judge out there who overrules Trump all the time when I get there as soon as they can find directions to his place. Evidently Trump rules to save our country, and it's overturned by some guy next to a nail salon out there at the base the foothills of diamond. Head diamond head the original translation of that. In, in the original Samoan is hard to get booked. But what did you want to do at the end of the show though? You, it's a oh since we're going to do to back to back. I would like to do the beginning of Oklahoma the song where I hold the. Oh, okay. And then we shut the showdown, and you come back with clone. And just for continuity purposes. I wanna take off the minimal time, we can in between shows, I wanna just razor, thin sort of paper cut between the Venda thing. So I'll go. Show over Coloma. It's a very on that thing we used to do. Where we would try to sing the song from beauty and the beast. Oh, yeah. And get into it as quickly as possible at the Angela lansbury song where she was a she a pitcher. I don't know that was dizzy dean. She's a she's a teapot. Yes. Her name is MRs pot. So she is always, I love that movie because she would get into that song, so quickly, we used to do thing, how quickly can you get into the song and I'll try right now? Christian always beats me on this. I don't know how he he's preternatural talented getting into the song from beauty and the beast quicker that I okay deny when you hear nothing I'm not doing the song the key, jump into the song as quickly as possible. Dell's oldest time see euro is better than I am. But I'll give it a try tells all the time. Who's nice JJ? That's nice. I'm going to need to James towel after that. Now that was. Youthful? Bam. That's. I knew you had quicksand, I saw your three cone drill didn't during the combine. Well, I wanted to get your thoughts wants me to call her. When I get a sec should we call her now on the pot? Or do you want to just take a break? I don't think it's an emergency situation. Saw finished heard you. We're gonna go to shake shack and was like, well, you obviously have getting sound bad. Should I do this though should I do lunch shack because you know where my dinner is tonight? I've done the hat the hat, I've checked the hat off. Rosco. Love roscoe's chicken and waffles, I don't know is that putting myself in harm's way not caloric correctly, not healthwise, but an inability to reenter core, gravity if you know and opt for the same old, same old, if you in one day to shake shack and a roscoe's chicken and waffles. I mean you ruin yourself. Right. You could Buzz Aldrin, coming back from Hadley ruin sellin Diaz is outside Phoenix, you're fucked. I think you gotta just space it out. And I think that's that's the key because I could do that. But then look at me, you know, I'm not I'm not cut like so. Right. Meet you left that harden looked well. Listen. I you're not the guy who has street urchins coming up and saying you better get that induced. Better. Get you need an EPA Dural carrying Earl Anthony's ball there. All right. There's a lot of important things to talk about in, in the news and current events. But I wanna know what do you think of Trump's new haircut? He had I don't know if you've seen it to very slick look. Right. But he didn't go back to it today. He's back to. Cotton candy thing. I thought he was I because my thinking, and I saw headline said is a must be to meet the Queen. You know, think it's just finished golf and his head was sweaty, you know, if you look in that picture stores as Gulf shoes. That's true at the at the church show. You know, I believe that was a Pentecostal thing where they believe you can walk on water, but you have to have Nike three sixteenths bikes on. But I don't know. It's a little here's what the Queen this morning. And that's a it's a little dapper. It's like it's a little bit closer to the side of his head. And it's like two tone. The measuring line was not as pronounced as that hair part on the side of his head. I guess he just came in and he was still hot off the course and I dug the look, I remember thinking, what is the Skype in hiding this whole time? He's got a normal haircut under there, and he's got to go into this Mr. softy ice cream truck to get his head done each morning guts. It's so contorted. I've gotta bring it around to Cape. Good hope. Yeah. I saw. Again with the Queen this morning. It was back to sort of that, look again where you think, well, what is the is the opening credits for Hawaii, five o doing clean, a bingo? As it got that ocean spray, cranberry, juice, cocktail logo a if I was him, I'd get you know what I do. Just a fuck. Everybody up. I'd come up with a Frank Sutton from Gomer, Pyle, flattop just come in. Really shaky looking glass doing some thinking last night about our enemies. You're just plead all day. That's shake up. Can you see Todd Chuck Todd over there? Oh my God. Getting tighter seller. We got a five yesterday's look, I heard characterized as Gordon gecko ask, which I think is a I think a good look for anybody that wants to, you know exhibit power like the gecko. You gotta make listen in a shallow a society as we live. Now, you do have to make some flicky adjustments. And I think somebody ought to grab Biden and tell them listen. If you've got the visa look up front, the sleek parakeet head, you know, that plugs gone wrong, and you've chiseled done in and you've got that sort of Pat rally in a sarcophagus thing, but you got gotta clip the little feathering down. Nothing makes you look older than that. Little feathering coming off. What is that? Vertebrae eighty-one. I don't even know by the way, Christian, I Herning the disc yesterday I was. Bitches. I think it's between sacred three and four I, I was according down my VERA desk, and I didn't do a proper stretch beforehand, and I ruptured a disk. And by the way, on my side hustle. I'm going on shark tank. I've got an upsell on the Baroness called VERA chair. It's chair that goes up and done in tandem with the VERA desk and keeps one seated at all time. If like me, you're not interested in working out as I've told you at this moment, mind, extend my regimen something I call Pontius Pilates, this is where I've, I've washed my hands of all the searchable. I know I do that job every couple of weeks but I could just stop and do an add it, I'd rather you stay with me, feel my discomfort. You struggling to save. I can't do that. What was at once? Somebody did that go out on the air or the a couple of weeks ago. When I read the thing about got a idea for my gift for my mum on this mother's day there. Somebody's sitting a thing said the greatest cold rate of ever heard is Dennis Miller, same. But my mother's dead. To get out of the air apart by me. That's true. Because we've had a couple of reeds that let's just say there for our archives because we had fun, buddy rich, lathering. There's a couple that we had to we had to pull out and, you know, just sort of Reconceptualise the I want to buy wife. That's the hardest, she's ever left. My Pont actually said. But then, again my mother's dead. It was it was too funny to, to take out and well, I'm jumping into this one to you struggling to sleep these days. You're not alone one in three US adults don't get enough sleep. And if you're not sleeping enough, it can affect your cognitive functions during the day, like learning problem, solving or, or podcasting casting. Did you know the good night's sleep is like a magic remedy for the brain and body? When we sleep. Well, we're more focused relaxed. Best of all sleep makes us happier. And that's why we're partnering with our friends at calm, the number one app for sleep. I'm glad comes back deserves a second pass through for them. They they bought in through the end of the year. It was a big buy com. If you and I have trouble saying, ELS, I'm like, oh, I got that Brokaw and sort of thing, the Pittsburgh, we lost the werewolf account because. 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I know who you mean. But no, I did not see this. I got to watch the after find Lindsay. What are you doing with an so delicately with papers, not to? Trying not to out every to a whole comedy. I remember I told you once my friend, Bob, we were working. He was a teacher this. When teachers did the honorable thing and mowed lawns. For eight bucks. An hour and the off season. We're working at an old folks home and trust me, mowing the lawn was the easiest job. I got stuck periodically being the night watchman there was a series of fifteen keys located around the creepiest property. The side of Michael Myers is a grave site, and you had to go rod, six times during an eight hour shift from midnight to eight unlocking are putting the key into the clock that you wore on your, you know. Well, yeah, this is way beyond name badge. How loser if they had you was like twenty Starks dialysis machine or something like that. And you had to go around put the key in and turn at the show, you is there, some of them were in outbuildings down in a basement way in the back at a flashlight that was fucking, you know, like the palace daguerreotype type lighting and back in this thing crisis nervous. So trust me when they moved you up to the day shift you knew you were making great inroads. Career wise we're mowing lawns. This is a fraught life can be folks, whenever I think of the tenuous nature when it goes back shit. It goes batch shit in a second. Sitting there on our break drinking really tough coffee. You know, like playing coughing. And we we're doing the paper thing, he flipped the newspaper while he was talking to me, and the newspaper paper, Kat, his retina what I'm telling you. It went something about the amazing. A one in a billion thing, where the paper sort of blew went sideways, he flipped it, and it put a cut like a year, cutting an egg or something across the his eyeball. And he's talking to either well over three for know we're talking Pittsburgh pirate bay all over went three for five and you know, Bobby Robertson had one. He's on the floor, like I what Bob, I won't say his name because maybe a cyclops now and I don't wanna rub this in by the okay anyone let goes and is I was just awed. From a newspaper now a new and it wasn't even like this. Like right now, we have eight by eleven sheets with my every feigned inner ad-lib thought printed out in block lettering, three by seven eighteen inch cut. Got it's like I've got a Powell of note cards in front of me, like James Lipton is interviewing. Bernardo bertolucci. I sat next live to them. You know, that came up on my Facebook memories recently because I had posted that because I did I took a picture from the ranger game. Yeah. And he was with his wife and his wife. They were very quirky couple. She was sort of, like secure Kane. And, and I remember the kid who played for the king's last year was younger players superfast player. And he had caught Lifton. I is it Lipton Lipton Lipton with Thomas Lipson, Thomas Lipson was an all front of the radio show? He does a website called American thing. Yeah. Yeah. So Lipton was all an amored of this young player, who was with the penguins for awhile was with the kings for a while. And then got traded late in the season. Superfast guy can't remember his name, but I remember sitting with Lipton on one side of me, and then a couple of seats down was Bethany Frankel from real house. And I remember saying to Lipton he was acting a little uppity in high hoity toity with me, and I said one day, you'll be giving an AFI tribute the best any Frank don't fuck with me. And he looked at me. And he said, oh, that reminds me, I've got to give the Nobel peace prize luanne the less up. I do. I didn't know Kibble. Do you know, Luanda Lesseps former husband how much was she keeping that name? She went to court made him give up his his family name more than you know, he suitor. He wanted to give her the small D in the Lesseps, but she says, she went for the whole shebang and under community. Moniker writes in New York? She got it, but his great grandfather, I believe built the Suez canal. Wow. And then was the original man hired to contract the Panama. Canal did not believe in the system of what's it called? When you go in, and you go raise the water. You know, those little, I is the first time we did it in the states. It was Clinton did it to get the year a canal out from zero to Chicago. They're, they're call drawbridges, Dan. Yeah. But the little there's a name for those and series of levees our. Anyway, that's what we eventually used to get that through. But the less ABS wanted to flatten out the entire topography, and failed miserably in, you know, in building the Panama Canal, they had to bring some other cat in and plus they had quite frankly mosquitoes there that through like a, you know, a Matt Dillon shadow, and gunsmoke. They were and so less ups a name was some, some historical clout now in the hand of luanne who you can see this week doing an evening with Judy Carne at Reno Sweeney's in. New York's beloved west village. Well, I would say that for this episode of the pod. That's our time. If you ready. Oh. Thanks for listening to the Dennis Miller option exclusively on Westwood One. Dune into new episodes, every Tuesday and Thursday on the Westwood One. Westwood One dot com and on podcasts and remember to rate review and share until next time. That's the show, and we are out of here from the Westwood One podcast network.

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Full Show ('The Last Dance' takeaways, End of the Bulls dynasty, Reggie Miller's Pacers, MJ's flu game)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

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Full Show ('The Last Dance' takeaways, End of the Bulls dynasty, Reggie Miller's Pacers, MJ's flu game)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Good Morning welcomed undisputed. I'M JENNY WITH FAILS. Shannon bream weekend doing today have a great week Alvin? What happened last that? I'm sure we'll be able to feel on everything. I could not believe what I saw and heard at the end of the last dance last night and I wanted to talk about it now. We're bowman how bad it. Wow is all I have to say about the LAST DANCE AND SKIP. You mentioned it. There was a surprising revelation at the end of the final episode of the last dance. And that's where I would like to begin today. Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf let Phil Jackson. No he could return after the nine hundred ninety eight. Apn ship in pursuit of a seventh ring. Reinsdorf said that Phil ultimately declined. So what was your takeaway from the end of the last dance last night and heard Ginny. It made me even sicker than I was at the end of the nineteen ninety eight season when I was there watching the last dance from the inside out as the columnist for the Chicago Tribune. I told Ginny and Shannon on Friday show that I had made a video that we posted yesterday in which I suspected that still Jackson was the real villain. I'll the last dance. He called it the last dance because it was his last dance and it should not have been Michael. Jeffrey Jordan's last dance. Everybody in Chicago called. Fill the ZEN master but even late in the ninety eight season I referred to him in print as does spin master. And when I heard what Jenny just referred to at the end of the documentary last night I fell out of my chair onto the floor. This was a bombshell. This did incriminate still Jackson as the real villain nod Jerry Krause Phil Jackson. I had lengthy one on one interviews with both Phil and Jerry late in that season in Chicago and I walked away from my interview with Phil. Not Trusting him at all and this sort of spin. Golly hold this way that he could hypnotize Michael Jordan and get him to do what I wanted to do. So we heard the bombshell last night. Never Been reported that Jerry REINSDORF OVERRULE JERRY. Krause HIS GM win to fill after that sixt and what became final championship and said Hey Phil I want you to come back. After Jerry had opened the season by telling the media could go eighty two. Oh and he ate coming back the owner. Thank you God's came to his senses overrule the GM and said Phil. You've gotta come back and fill said no. I'm done Jerry Reinsdorf. I need some time away so I told you on Friday that even though Phil kept saying all along that trail in play offs michaels had enough. He's burned out. His tank is empty. He needs to walk away now. When I asked Michael about that quote from Phil I asked him this. One on one he rather coldly answered. That's fills opinion and I thought okay. Good maybe that means you're going to come to your senses. Michael a come back without still Jackson. So here's what I can't this chanter for me. That complete and utter sad. Sorry disconnect. Why did Michael Ever have any dialogue with Jerry Reinsdorf? After the season was over he said last night at the end of the last dance. Michael Jordan said we had no dialogue. Why did he fall for Sill Jackson's spin master ploy that let's have a grieving ritual? Let's all come together at the end as a team. And let's all right down or thoughts about how much we love each other. Michael Even wrote they said appoint. Let's read it to each other inner circle and then let's throw it into a trash can and light on fire and burn it so we can hear you let it go. What are you talking about? Let one go. I convinced Phil Jackson already had some kind of handshake deal with the Lakers shocked and very young. Koby and Phil took one year off and then suddenly he was back in Business Back. Right in the saddle coaching shack in Kobe. Three Straight Championships in Los Angeles while Michael Jordan sat out the finals. Three years of his Prime Ages. Thirty five thirty six and thirty seven. Why Michael didn't you wake up and go to Reinsdorf and say you know the truth is we. Don't Need Phil. We saw again and again in this documentary the motivator for this team really the ultimate head coaches. His team wasn't Phil Jackson. It was Michael Jordan so all that Baloney about krause having fallen in love with Tim Floyd at Iowa State Forget it. Why couldn't Michael Gone to rise? Orphan said Egg Jerry. Let's let's go. Gator REAL COACH. Somebody with experience. Let's go back to Doug Collins. That was his coach. Obviously for three years pre Phil Jackson and obviously Michael ended up taking doug calls with him to Washington in the end. Why not do that? Act And so Michael is saying it's maddening. We didn't get a chance to run it back. Well it's maddening because you didn't seized the opportunity to say this Phil Jackson stuff's a bunch of Phony Bologna pocus but no. He had some weird kind of hold and Michael talked about it at the end he could get you to believe just anything he could pull you into just about anything when it involved the team. Well why that team as Michael said would have all come back if Michael said I'm coming back. I believe Scotty everybody would have come back on year deals. That team was not too old. The Knicks won the east the next year. Without Patrick Ewing my spurs. The shortened season gives lockout season championship. And that was pre Tony Parker. Prima new pre obviously Leonard. They would've won again. I think they would've won two championships and in the end. It left me sick and and saddened that that. Michael's own documentary actually. Unwittingly exposed Michael as being naive to this whole situation. Shannon and he got spun by the spin master and spun right out of town to retirement. Understand why you and others that were so infatuated with the Bulls and although you covered the Salt Spar Inc soft spot in your heart for Michael Jordan and the Bulls. But I don't believe one word that Jerry Reinsdorf said you know why because this is the New England patriots situation. If coach coach Belichick missed the craft had one. Tom Brady back. Why do sign here? Why did you only give him eight million dollars wide? I give him an extension of two to three years when you took your but to Montana and Utah field comeback for one year. Why do you only offer one year deal? You really want him back. Why not give him a two? Why not give him a three year deal skill? Bill Jackson knew he was not sticking around or bill. Jerry Krause also save Steve Kerr Ron Harper and others. Their market value wasn't worth that to us. He was not bringing them back and they were not coming back with a one year deal. That's very convenient for Michael Jordan and said Yeah. They'd come back on one you deal. That's easy for you to say because you making thirty six million on a one year deal. You're making forty million dollars a year from Nike on that one year deal but hold on. What about these other guys got? It had been badly underpaid for the last eight years Scottie. Pippen was not coming back on one year deal Scottie. Pippen had been underpaid long-time Scotty needed to get paid at that point in time skill. Once you win one two three rees wasn't fourth. Would the there are only two people re another ring would really help it? Only help one Guy Scotty pippin if he won finals. Mvp everybody else did nothing to gain. It was going to get Steve. Kerr the hall of fame in that the reason. Why Steve Kirk Got A head coaching job? Ron Harper twenty coat. Who's lonely with any of those guys going to get in the hall of fame if they got a green absolutely not so therefore at that point in time we feel a lot with football player after one or two rings. There's no system is standing around third. Let me go get that big payday. Secure my family for perpetuity and make generation will law so skip me Jerry. Reinsdorf that very convenient. Because he knew Jackson was not gonNA come part of a rebuild and Jack. Umag said she noticed. Tim Floyd hanging around ninety six ninety seven. What the Hell is another coach hanging around your team or an ninety six ninety seven still this jerry? Reinsdorf knows how this comes off for the law twenty years before this documentary came everybody painting Jerry. Krause of the Jerry. Krause BROKEN UP JERRY. Krause broken up but as we started delving into it and got a little deeper we realized Jay across the team. Jay CROWDER DID JERRY. Rive door bidding for him Jerry Reinsdorf when he went to Montana and signed Bill Jackson for that one year deal. He feel we're going to keep this thing together at the bare minimum two years two years. That's what we're GONNA do. But he didn't do that. He led Jerry Krause all year long. He could go eighty two note. This thing is not coming back. Not One time did Jerry Crawford hold on. Wait a minute. We haven't made the final decision. Why would he even allow Jerry to say that he could have said? Look we going to valuate this thing. After the season this is a big season for us. It will be the second about three petes. And everybody's going to be. I'm sure GONNA be exhausted. But we'll cross that bridge once we get to it. Jerry Reinsdorf never. Once in the entire ninety eight season said hold on guys. Wait a minute we're GONNA see how this thing plays out and they will circle back and get back to you. At a later date and time skill. He was not going to resign. Scottie Scott was not going to sign a one year deal after being five debate is killed. That's the same thing what we've seen with day. Thirty two thirty. Three million dollars is a lot of money. One year. No question but that won't you I find years? So why would I me one? You deal with a four or five you deal. If that's what you're asking these guys to do give up market value three or your deal to take what your deal for another ring. Another ring is not going to change in my life but five six seven million dollars a year compared to three million dollars. Nascar SO I do not believe that. Were Jerry door per se. I believe give. This is wishful thinking. I think he's what buyer's remorse I guess. You can't have settled remorse. He sold something skill that he was now. No brought a realizes Jerry. Krause it can be as him or I can rebuild this thing because remember it was organization organizations win tidal not play this organization and he can visit Jerry Reinsdorf J. Dealer Manager. I can rebuild this thing and guess what they'd be picking in the lottery every chance. So I do not believe Jerry Reinsdorf. I do not believe they were bringing this thing back because they couldn't that in the bud by giving me a two or three year extension. When he took the Montana to begin. There's nothing not to believe. Shannon he said it and sealed corroborated it last night in the documentary. We know that Jerry Reinsdorf said I came to my senses after they won six role because as he said in episode one Jerry Reinsdorf. He let krause convince him. This team was too old. It was hitting the wall so Jerry Reinsdorf went into the last year with Phil Jackson on a one year because he did not think they could go win a six championship and third in a row and as he said last night and by the way I was shocked in the beginning with episode one. Jerry Reinsdorf even sat down for this documentary but the reason he did. He wanted to exonerate himself and intern the late. Jerry Krause who obviously couldn't defend himself. He's no longer with us. God rest his soul but the point was he wanted to take both Jerry's off the hook because he did come to his senses he did call still right after the six championship was won and say Hey. I didn't see this coming. Let's do it again next year. I offer you a one year deal. And he was prepared to offer everybody else at least a one year deal. I believe they could have paid Scottie. Pippen because they could have mixed and matched all kinds of spare parts on a team. That was top. Heavy as bleep is Lebron one set of his cavaliers. It was not a deep basketball team. All those Steve Kerr's will produce in. Joe Klein's Judd Bouche lers. You could mix and match any or all of those and by the way they did have a chance they did woo Tracy McGrady. Who was then a young player like in his third year was a free agent. If in dire need you could've probably sign Tracy McGrady. If in fact Michael had stayed but Phil told REINSDORF. I don't WanNA rebuild. Because he knew he'd already talked Michael. Into walking into the sunset with him. That's all you need to know. They were going to have not. There's no way Scotty. Or Ron Harper or Rodman are gonNA come back with no Jordan but Jordan says yes. I'll come back because I liked. The next coach doesn't have to be filled. It could have been as I said Doug Collins could've been any made man in the NBA. Who'd WanNa come coach them? One one more time I think they could have won two more in a row to make it five in a row but the point was there's nothing not to believe because reinsdorf did offer instill agreed last night on the documentary. Yes he offered me a deal. They blew the whole. Tim Floyd thing right out of the water because he could have said yes. I'll come back to do that. He would have swallow his crow. He hated Jerry Krause and he wanted to stick it to krause by being able to spin. Golly Michael Jordan right out of town and leave them is and they were Tim. Floyd Loyd had three straight terrible years and then got fired in the year. A lot of other people had for some terrible years with the exception of and then had run afoul with them. Hold on wait a minute. The guy the strongest guy that had the strongest man. The sprawl mentality got spun back Phil Jackson. So don't condone job eight. No no no not that dominant. No no now. All of a sudden somebody can run. Can Run game on Michael Jordan? Would I heard you in everybody else? Michael Jordan has the strongest manageable. One guy didn't he wasn't even on the core. Skill mapping yields. Why would you? Why would you allow okay? You know you're going on this journey. Why would I wait until the middle of the trip? The realized that I don't have a spare because that's what they did. They went all the way down the road leading Jerry Crossley. This is the rich not one time. Do Jerry Reinsdorf hold on. Wait a minute. They asked him. He didn't say at the door deceiver no point time during the season that was ever here as I remember old enough to remember that was in. I was thirty. Did I hear Jerry? Reinsdorf says Oh. Hold on wait a minute is. This is a bit premature. We'll see how this thing plays out and we'll go from there. All he did was he propelled. No no no no. No no no no. Don't tell hold on. He was waiting to see if they won or not. He was shocked. They won six championship. Slammed thing Mr Crab had they wanted. Tom Brady Tom. Brady was still being New England because the footage of giving him eight million dollars the last contract they would've gave them a two year extension. That's not what they did. After the fact now. Tom Brady is about to leave with Tom. They realize that bill. Jackie will go to walk out the door intake Michael Whitty now we want to build said no out plus he also said still he's dead. I thought that would be very very unfair to Jerry Krause because they disliked each other because one bold guys wanted credit. Maybe like you said maybe might deserve all the credit but you have to give pills some credit because they feel their that t winning squad so you can play where the college got over the Hawk. But he didn't Bill Jackson got over the Hump. Just like the same thing with shacking Kobe. You can anybody. Anybody didn't do it. Because shocking colby had other coaches with Barfield and none of them got it done bill. Got It done so gift. Bill do no matter how important role you thought he played. He played a significant role and he got it done. Jerry Reinsdorf all of a sudden oh I went to feel. You should've went through head. Feel that in Montana. Why did I give to your extension? You will of what you believe. It doesn't do that. Michael Jordan Jerry. Krause Jerry Krause had convinced Jerry Reinsdorf. We're too old. Were hitting the wall and then Jerry. Reinsdorf realized my. Gm misled me. He's screwed up. He missed read. How old we are. All those players went on Scottie played seven more years. Steve Kerr later. Five more Rodman played two more. I'm sorry they all Ron Harper one two more championships with the Lakers. All those guys played at least two more years so let let me ask you this question. What do you think would have happened if Michael had called Jerry Reinsdorf and said Hey Jerry please go get me another coach somebody with NBA experience? Maybe Doug I dunno maybe Gregg Popovich for that matter who had not won championship in San Antonio whoever he could have gotten even elevating one of the assistants. I love Frank Hamlin. People don't know yes. He was Phil's number one assistant that year. Let's even elevate him into the head. Coaching Chair because it dinner. The head coach was as long as it wasn't him? Floyd from the Iowa state cyclones. That's the one who wouldn't work for Michael Jordan. So my point is what would have happened. Shannon what Michael had had some as he said dialogue with REINSDORF said. Just go give me another made man coach just somebody with some NBA clout. What would have happened with skilled easy? Eases say that's been twenty three decades ago so it's really hard for me to say honestly say what would have happened. But but what I gather. Is that Michael Jordan Jerry. Reinsdorf really never had any dialogue the only dialogue that I saw that claim in the documentary skip is that when Michael Jordan says he wants to play baseball and because Jerry arrived own own. The white sox that will they no brainer for him other than that. I can't see a situation where I ever heard Michael Jordan and the owner Jerry Reinsdorf really having dialogue so at this juncture Michael. Why am I having dialogue with you now so I think? That's how lipids for me. That's what that's what I gathered. I could be wrong. You would there and there were others there. But I don't remember a situation and the doctor meter this part series where they ever said Michael Jordan. Jerry had dialogue. I guess when it came to contract David Paul Hammer that in and he and play basketball but when he came for him to retire and he says. I want to try my hand in baseball. Well the white sox because the owner of the Bulls on the White Sox so for me. It was a no brainer so I am not surprised. That Michael Jordan didn't have dialogue with Jerry Reinsdorf because he had never had that low with separate that WANNA K. Cajun but I can do from everything that I saw last night. Okay and that is a good point and I agree with that premise. They had no relationship before so. And you brought up David Falk. Maybe it was up to David thought to try to moderate. You know moderate the situation. Try to the referee. Maybe he should've talked to Jerry. Reinsdorf expected last night Shannon. I thought Michael would sit there. Drop his head and say you know the truth was Phil was right. I was burned out. My tank was empty and I was done. I thought he would give in to the premise. That it was the last dance. But that's not what we got. We got my Jeffrey Jordan. Is saying we could have won seven. I think he believes they could one eight and for him to say that everybody would have come back and then it's maddening for him to this day to think about. It is devastating for me. I'm as big as fan. It got. What's the what's the basic premise of all sports shannon is? If you win a championship you get to defend it. It's like the essence of competition. They got jerked out from underneath them. It they didn't get a chance to defend when Michael wanted to defend his title at least one more time. I believe all of them because I thought that was one of the again. I told you it was the greatest defensive team. It was a juggernaut and if they were a couple of more you could've started making the case. They were the greatest dynasty in the history of sports. So that's why it tears my guts out today to think about in didn't have to be this way still lead them down a path right out the back door and into the sunset with give. I think the thing is that you coverage for forty years. Let me playing the biggest thing that you can have in is regret and I think Michael Jordan has regret now looking back decade that we should have been given the opportunity. I believed that he holds. Jay arrived in. Jae crowder responsible. He does not blame bill. He says because you guys started this all rolling down the hill because you started this. He can go because he said he said. They said he could go. Eighty two bill wasn't coming back. He made sure he mentioned that. So at no point in time up leading up until the end winning the title. Did you ever try to clarify that? We would premature. That's not what he done and so I believe. That's one of the reasons. Michael Jordan came back even after three years because it because most athletes would tell you. There's nothing you'll be able to do in life that can replace the competition that you had in your said sport and that's what might came back. I don't think I mean deep. Outta hip mine Emma Lee could want to get. That's why he came. And he really believed that he could channing Frye title with Lebron and also taking his side and the goat debate fry said Michael. Jordan's only job was to score and his opinion. Lebron is the better player all time. Oh any also said the guys. Today you know really wouldn't want to play with Michael Jordan so Shannon does he have a point. I mean maybe his job he's only job was to score but he did that clip that we had never seen before. And I don't think we've seen since Do I believe that channing? Frye on something else. I sure do because I don't believe that might Michael Jordan had the responsibilities night in and night out bet. Lebron James had the shoulder for the last seventeen years and and it's really unfair comparison because they're so different Michael Jordan so different than Lebron the brightest so different than what. Michael Bradley comparison would probably be Colby Michael and they then magic and Lebron because both appoint both mainly run the team. Skip because if you remember even Kobe Years Derek Fisher really was the point guard. Derek Fisher did you know you got everybody into the offense but since we're debating this topic I do believe that Michael Jordan job with to score and play defense and he did those things maybe as well as anybody ever especially plant the Combo. Now the scoring aspects guilt. We can say well that was a different area. And I'll give you that in the sixties early Seventies. That was a different era. What Michael played in but to play offense at that clip and to play defense at that clip because he didn't shortchange on either end of the court is what made him unique because we saw guys they were great offensive player but could play defense like that then is Rodman has got paper was a hell of a defensive player but they could play off. It's like that so we've maybe maybe will never ever see another guy that can combine what Michael Combined. Colby was the closest that can score. You're thirty and diesel. Went up but I will agree with channing. Frye Michael has never had the responsibility on a nightly basis to do what Lebron has to do for the last seventeen years and I get what feel feels. They'd be you know we didn't ask him to do that. Of course not. Because you had Scottie Pippen that you had other guy there. Bj On stronger. John Passionate that was running the point. And so Jacob just focus on scoring so I will agree with channing. Frye Michael has had the responsibility that Lebron has had to deal with over the last seventeen years. Well you know you know why staying on the goat debate so whether or not that makes Lebron better. That makes join better because she was able to score more and play better defense. Y'All debate that but I will agree with channing. Frye Lebron had more responsibility on a nightly basis for seventeen years magic. That Michael. Had you open your remarks? By saying channing. Frye was onto something. It sounds to me like he was just on something on something. Because this is the this is either the funniest quota of twenty twenty or the dumbest quote of Twenty Twenty Shannon. Had only one job and that was to score. Are you kidding me? You sort of just swept under your little carpet up there in your palatial estate up in. Belair the fact that Oh yeah. He played defense. He play. Defense is a defensive player of the year. He defense nine times barely. You can just sort of snuck it in like an old by the way just a little tiny mentioned Shannon nine times first team all defense when they needed a big defensive stop or quarter or play he made it and I told you earlier in the show in eighty eight. He averaged eight assists a game. It's hard to average eight assists if you're a non passer key wasn't a gunner. He wasn't a no conscience ball hog shooter. I told you still kept telling me if he wanted to if they needed him to. He could average in easily. Which is what Lebron's averaging. Finally this year he could. Do they ask you it to be done in price point? You're making price point. Because he was not asked he didn't need do that. Lebron is asked. Abroad needs to do that in order to help his team win. But you're making chain price point but Shannon. It wasn't his only job if that was his only job. He would've average zero assists. He averaged six for his career that he he could really keep everybody involved. We saw what he did getting in the ball. Late against the Lakers. Getting Curve Ball against the jazz ninety seven late. Setting the telling Steve Kerr in the huddle. Yes I'm coming to you and Kerr Yellen back. I'll be ready. And he hit him right in stride he split the double team and hit him right in stride for I is he approached the free Zeleny. What right up into his motion. It was a beautiful pass. Capped off by a beautiful shot by guy who's just a spare part wasn't even recruited out of high school Jordan won championships with Little Steve. Kerr so don't tell me he had only one job. He was the leader in the motivator of that whole basketball teams. He led in ways. I don't believe Lebron is capable of leading. He was the guts the soul of the whole basketball team. Yeah he wants ten scoring titles but he was a defensive demon. Unlike any I've ever seen so offense defense to your point nobody's ever played greater offense along with greater defense. That Michael Jeffrey Jordan so Janning One job no yet about seven jobs and he did them all at gold levels. I was I was just thinking I remember. Lebron James Split the double team little triple team kick the ball to Cali- before three and usually that with a terrible play Michael Jordan split the double team. Yes you know. Why Kyle comment was skill skill? You don't ruin play skill. I can assure you you dye grandma plate. You don't diagram that plays like miss it? You Diagram the best play possible and you live with the result that that's what Tom Brady does. He'd called the plane. He's like if element. Drop this path or wrong brought this past. You can't call play you can't diagramming. Plays thinking about what might not happen. So you make the possible play and you live with the result. Skilled all of alternative prize trying to say. Is that the responsibility that Lebron James has only nightly basis for the last seventeen years that was never owned Michael Jordan's plate for that extensive overtime. Were the Games get because I think there was a stretch gift? He had like seven eight. Maybe even nine triple double where he was asked and he had to do that. But I'm saying on a nightly basis nine at night out year in year out for seventeen years. Nobody is well first of all. Nobody played at the level that Lebron Infla- get for this length of time and to have had that responsibility. So I believe. That's what chaining prize getty. Michael wasn't asked to rebound the ball to assist the ball light. Lebron while the Brazil averages twenty seven Jordan averaged thirty so if you look at the rebounds total substantially lower you like well Jordan every six rebounds and six assists. But you do that. So Lebron done insisted. A half or two rebounds per game eighty two games for seventy years after a while that adds up. You'll just how. The discrepancy is between Lebron and Mike far as everybody and assist in the basketball I believe that was the point that channing. Frye trying to make in a very compelling argument and I happen to agree with it because that's the argument. I've been yeah well. Then you're as wrong as channing. Frye AND BY THE WAY. What are you always tell me? When relatives or close friends speak out. Four star against another star. What conclusion do you believe to that? They're hearing it from the star himself. I believe channing. Frye was simply repeating. What Lebron James is told him just had one job. Yeah that came straight from the. You know who's mouths and not the goats mile distance now or in this case the horse. What no he was bill. How is just flat out wrong? Now yes he is. The fact for channing. Frye that Lebron will do his podcast. What once every two or three months. So channing. Way to go your podcast is saved. It's okay because Lebron's going to be on your podcast from here on out earned here points with Lebron. You did what you do. You accomplished your mission. Remember saying is that when somebody heap praise. Oh Michael if he has Charles Barkley her. What did he say? A or magic. Johnson Larry Bird who the player may be. That's great but if anybody anybody say anything positive about Lebron James That's Lebron James Lebron James told him say so. Why can't someone have an opinion about Lebron and it'd be positive was all opinions and that's what we've seen mainly since the documentary come out. Is that all the opinions about. Lebron has been negative of opinions about Michael has been positive and I get. It is his documentary. And that's what normally happens. Movie comes out. People say positive thing about people. I got no problem with that but this notion but all of a sudden that now review the Dr Meter May Lebron James or worth player how is still Antilles Open? Eyes of even the blind witnesses out there the billions of blind witnesses. The Lebron lovers. They're saying Oh my God he was that he was that we didn't get that he was really that and I think every Lebron lover now knows what the truth is. The truth is Lebron wasn't in this man's league and in the end channing. Frye even had to reach four guys today would not WanNa play with Michael Jordan Baloney Navy. You wouldn't wanNA play with him. Because of you channing. Frye channing. Wait a second channing. Frye was off seven footer. Who only show your average four. Four point five rebounds a game at seven feet for his career he was sought. Yeah he he might not lasted with Michael Jordan. Michael where a torn him up. And maybe you were tossing them up. Or maybe channing. Frye would have run out the back. Door crime. Somebody give my mommy in the end. Exactly the kind of Guy Jordan. Didn't one on his team. So I'll give channing that he wouldn't have made it with Michael Jordan for sure of now is that you know having covered the game. The thing that coaches do you know skip code us to grab the and Bradley Guy. The collar and do all things like that. That wouldn't fly in today's game and I don't believe Michael Jordan. And you saw in the early two thousand skip. We try to take best out to Washington. They resented Michael Jordan. Just go ask those guys. They resented Michael Jordan. Best style would not work is hard because you got so many guys. The difference between banding now skill everybody the eight gallon. The roster is trying to build a brand with Michael Jordan play. He was the only guy on the team trying to build a brand. Now everybody's trying to build a brand. Everybody has a podcast. Everybody's trying to get a clothing line. Everybody tried to do a Schwiekard deal. GotTa deal with the Bulls. That was Michael. Jordan's way nobody else was all. Even the road skip his Cadillac. We being quarantined here for the last two months. I do with centipede. Like six miles on the ball. Five Whitney your car because that was Jordan late. Now everybody's still gotta bring it. Or they have a brain Shannon in the end. I'm sorry channing. Frye is so out of bounds and I will give you this that today's NBA is rampant Lee softer than it was in Jordan's era with navy. He would have sent a lot of these players into mutiny or revolt today because we got too many wissies playing pro basketball off channing. Frye knows it well. It's just the truth. I'm sorry but you saw the force of nature that he was you saw how he molded that team into tough mindset. That worked through the postseason. All those Scotty Burrell's and Stevie Kerr's they all made little plays for him down the stretch in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight because the way he mentally tough them during practice. I'm sorry it would work today if you put the right guys with him. If you put a pat bed that he put a P J Tucker with him maybe even Trevor Rees. I know he's later in his career but those are the kind of mindset that would work around Jordan and they would tear arise pro basketball today. We Indiana Pacers took Michael Jordan and the Bulls all the way to seven games in the nine thousand nine hundred Eastern Conference Finals seafarer. Her said that game seven was the scariest game we ever face and then shared this story that he and teammate. Bushel were so nervous driving to that game that they didn't talk for the first fifteen minutes of the rise. So Shannon how big of a threat Reggie Miller and those pacers Jordan's bulls really think there were serious threats but I think the thing is that the pressure start getting into the Bulls and realizing the enormity of what they were going for a to to finish to try to get to second of three petes they needed to get past Game seven and they have they just skip. Wasn't this the only the second game seven they had ever had to endure in that run and so scared what I look at it. But differs between the and the Bulls. The board had a ball that can detonate at any time. And go get you. Forty fifty and the Pacers relied on Bala scoring in order to beat the Bulls in. That runs KIPP. You had you have a guy that could dead mate and they didn't have that Ridge only scored twenty points in that series twice the average about Seventeen Rick Smith with about sixteen a game. They pride themselves on toughness. They had a big big big team. Rick Smits the Dave Davis Boys and so that's what they tried to. They tried to to out tough because they drive. Take a page out of what is when they had a Patrick old their Charles Smith Xavier mcdaniel Mason. So that's what the pace has tried to do is kill Larry Bird with the head coach and that was a style they were team. People don't realize not only were the celtics talented and big. But there were physical. That's why the Pistons really didn't have any. They didn't have a problem with the Pistons early onset and do these started breaking down. They started getting no going to finals and go into eastern garbage championships. Every year starts to take. It's toll I I don't maybe we come our only outside looking in but I didn't really. There was no doubt in my mind but the Bulls are GonNa win this game seven because I really never failed skill but they were going to win this game in Chicago. Maybe not if there had been in his kill okay you you could miss me any headed realistic chance and I thought early on. They had an opportunity to steal some gave the Chicago and they let them slip and so that was their opportunity. They had to get one of those games and then close it out on their home because they were ever going they were not going to be. Michael Jordan was not to let that happen. Was Not GonNa let Reggie Miller and those places beat them in a game. Seven Chicago so skip reme- I'd never say this that they were going to lose this game seven to the papers because I didn't think pays has had enough story and they can only give scoring from one place that was Reggie for once. We're going to agree on something but for different reasons. So I've as I've told you I was there in Chicago Com for the Tribune and I covered all seven of those games home and away and let me tell you they were. Knock down drag outs. You're right those pacers. Were the bad boy pistons all over again in the later nineties instead of the late eighties and that Pacers Team Reggie Miller said was better than the Bulls. I'll give Reggie that top to bottom the pacers. Were better. Yeah they have deep. They were tough. They were physical they were sly and smart and they were beautifully coached by Larry Bird in his first year as an NBA coach named coach of the year. But to your point Shannon. Larry couldn't play is he could apply eight. I believe the Pacers won the series but Larry could only sit and watch and try to maneuver his chest pieces against Jordan and even though the game seven score was way down. Low is eighty eight eighty three. It was more football than basketball but in the end what did what did we see. Ahmad. Rashad say back in the Bulls offices sitting with Jordan before game. Seven you remember. This is a moderate shod was Jordan's best friend on with him before and after every game played pro. Football as you know is a very good receiver in pro football as Bobby Moore origin but Ahmad at Oregon Ahmad said to Jordan is Jordan was was trying to focus for the game some can and some can't and then he repeated it. Some can in some chant Jordan said some can and some can't he was talking about Reggie because in the end in a game seven Reggie was going to have to rise up above Michael and even though Randy said I was the one. I was the only one in afraid of him. I don't believe that Reggie Reggie was rookie. The he dared to trash talking head good first half against Jordan in the second half and then as they walked off the floor he said you don't trash talk black. Jesus rumor that is great life. Don't trash talk black. Jesus said Michael Reggie. I believe in Reggie's heart that he believed from that point on. I'm up against black. Jesus here and I don't really believe I can beat black. Jesus so Shannon. What happened in the fourth quarter of game seven again to your point at the United Center in Chicago Jordan and Reggie were both sent back in at the same time by their respective coaches with seven thirty nine to play. It was a nit tug seesaw game but from that Mark on Jordan guarded. Reggie and guess what Reggie managed to get off one more shot a three point shot. That missed badly. That was it for him for the last seven. Thirty nine of the game. Reggie down the stretch scored zero points. Because Michael Just said No. You're not going to do it in my house. And in the end the Pacers were going to win unless Reggie went off the way we saw. Go off against Spike Lee's Knicks. That time would they went crazy at the end of that playoff. Remember that and he's capable. He was capable. He made a big shot on Michael at the game floor member. He pushed off his lights five times. More than Michael. Pushing off Brian Russell at the end of game six making the last shot but in this case away with the big shovel off and made the three that one game four so he was capable of doing it in game four but when it comes to game seven some can and some can't in the end. Reggie Hood not so. That was the difference in that series that that was very it was extremely competitive and a lot of the national media. Were there because they thought it was going to be the end of Michael Jordan. A lot of people believe that game seven would have been his last game and you know the rest of the story you everything bill. Berry a network will allow someone to get like Ahmad and Mike. Do you think a network would allow of his own personality to have that type of relationship with another player again? Yeah sure if it gets them interview every time well listen driven. My younger like four. After every game a lot has do hoods at everything. He knew he knew every there are some things again. It's a their sacrifice that you have to make because some things but Ahmad was really i. Nobody's really good reporter. He would report yes. We had up to the edge of the cliff. Everything that he could about Jordan. So I think it been rooted in D. C. at the time with that fact have their side skill about. I don't know if I'm not mistaken. Skip write this down last night. They were on the sideline and feel saying we're going to switch and I say I'm not switching. You know what I'm chasing everything. Somebody's like well. We those with look makeover shoulder like shut up. We're switching like I'm going. I'm fighting over every everything. I'm not a switching. Nothing no right exactly. I believe I believe it was about Reggie. It was like I'm h his. You know what there and take it out of the game because remember how they would run. Reggie off the back line. And they've running through picks and Jordan says I'm fighting through everyone and I'm going to wind up in space when he shoots his jumper and he did he will get his job off down the stretch a game. Four give you gotta realize they have several four. Rick Smith and then you gotTa run past one day you gotTa run past the other Davis originalist Reggie with doing. Reggie was doing what Ray Allen is Steph. Curry Rip Hamilton. Did Reggie was doing eighties graduate aware before those guys even thought about basketball again on an NBA court so he was continue was multi and what? They're trying to do skill with trying to tire him out. Taking those body blows okay. Take a forum to the chairs. Here you take a hill to the hill there and we're trying to tie them out. Buffet Jordan sustained level. Then you wouldn't you would not ask your best player to guard the upholding team. Best player pick at the peak at the peak. Because like you said switch it okay that might survive which Jack. I'm fighting over everything. Nothing and allow me to conclude this discussion by making one last point there was a crucial jump wall in that game. The Pacers I believe three wanting to go up from with six thirty nine left in the fourth quarter and yes Jordan Against Rick. Smits who was seven seats four inches tall versus Jordan. Six six six six versus seven four in Jordan. One that now I think he went up and SORTA hammered into his arm a little bit and got away with Lonzo but that was Michael. Any that was another play. That doesn't show up in the box. Score so channing. Frye he did have other jobs besides scoring. Thank you if it were right as the her who already headed feats it and he launched a three boom. We're from possibly being a five point. Game to a tie ballgame and the look back and we over. There was a surprising revelation at the end of the final episode of the last dance. That Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf Phil Jackson. No he could return after the nineteen ninety eight championship in pursuit of a seventh ring. Store said that Phil ultimately declined so Shannon. Who Do you think was most responsible for breaking up the Bulls prematurely? Who's at fault? Here derives door and he used across all these years that shield in a lot of people blame J. Across and I think some still do because of the way his treatment of Scottie Pippen and some of the things that he was actively trying to to shop Scottie. Pippen he wouldn't renegotiate Scottie. Pippen's deal but he that they're gallivanting all across Europe trying to follow Toni Kukoc and so. I think that rubbed a lot of Scotties teammates that definitely rubs got it the wrong way but that rubbed a lot of his teammates. The wrong way and at the end I was glad scale this pipping gave jade processes coudl. Now wish they would have given the MD flowers while he was alive. He said you have to give credit because he was the general manager. He didn't put this together no matter what you think of him he put it together. But Kill Jerry. Reinsdorf is the reason why this thing broke up. Because he is the head of the owner of the ball club and scale model. The problem is is that when you took your but in nineteen ninety eight to say this is GonNa be you know. Come on come back. Their wartime give a two year deal been field decided to walk away. Mike we got. We gave them two years. And you guys wanted a I got no problem bringing it back skill but I don't know I don't believe because you remember only got five years thirty million dollars to go to PHOENIX Steve Kerr got five years. Eleven million dollars to go to San Antonio Scotti got five for sixty seventy go to Houston is hard for me to believe those guys would take one year deal to come back and try winning ring win the money that they're going to make only the open market or the money that they got from their perspective teams was going to secure them for the future. Another rings gives us not yes. That's why I got four ring. The skill or ring nobody to private school is not going to secure your future. Put the rest of your life and I believe those are life changing moves. Got It pippen for sixty seven new. Got Five for thirty Scott. Steve Kerr got five four Levin. Now I don't want Harper live so I don't believe there were coming back skill. Jerry Reinsdorf let this narrative out there that Jerry Krause Jay said it. Bill can go. Eighty two zero win the title. He's not coming back. Jerry Krause Convince Jerry REINSDORF JERRY. Reinsdorf believe is that it was organizations. Not Player Michael Jordan. Went out of his way like I was in the organization played with no one hundred degrees able I. What did they do that? And so for me. Skill is being now. I would j crowds but in the process of the first documentary and hearing hold on. Why are we blaming the guy that doesn't own the team but doesn't have the? I agree that belongs the door. He is a now scale all of a sudden he wanted like what I told. Field knowing field was going to come back or rebuild knowing those guys wasn't going to accept a one year deal. I don't believe it's killed and micro say those guys would accepted a one year deal move. Lonely was not coming back on a one year. Deal for three million when he got five. Thirty Steve Kerr wasn't going to come back a one year. Deal for a million dollars when he got by four Levin if got pimp dams or coming back so feel it was over because Ryan Door. Let it be out there early that it was over so no jerry arrived off gets one hundred. No we'll give him ninety nine percent. I will give Jay across one percent because he actually thought he was foolish enough to think that it was organization that when champion shield. So you're telling me that Jerry REINSDORF wanted Michael Jordan took leave and he did not want to win the championship in Nineteen Ninety nine the next year. That's what you're saying. This woke up one morning and said I don't want to win another championship. He he wanted to win the championship. No there's no question about that but he didn't WanNa pay Michael Jordan forty million dollars a year that that's what was going to cost you. He didn't WanNA play Scottie Pippen. He didn't WanNa pay all that money. You Charles Barkley telling the story that. When he gave him the last year he was like making. You believe that Mo phone. Don't want to give me my money. He's like what are you talking about whereas door don't want to pay that money underpaid all the years he didn't want to pay forty meal and what it was gonNA cost to keep all those guys together for one more year title. They all would have come back for at least one more year. Depending on how little Jordan would've taken and I believe you would've taken much less as he often had a full work to make sure that tip got his money. And Ron Harper got his money and Rodman got a little bit more money they had it. They weren't too old. That's what Jerry Krause Convinced Jerry Reinsdorf before the year started which is why he allowed Jerry. Krause to say could go eighty two know and he will not be. Back is the coach next year but reinsdorf watched it happen and unfold to the playoffs and said wait a second. We're not too old. We can win in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine my GM is wrong. I'm going to overrule my GM. I'M GONNA call still which he did ride after they won game six at Utah and I'm going to say sill. I want you to come back next year. I doubt that he would have given him a two year deal but who knows. Let's just deal with one year and still said No. This is why I now give one hundred one thousand percent of the blame to Phil Jackson. I told you I had a long sit down with him. Late in that bulls run in the playoffs and I walked away from that session with my my radar going off in the back of my head that little alert that that red lights going off in the back of my head. This guy is not to be trusted so I started writing that the guy called the Zen master was actually the spin master and Shannon being Jordan's biggest fan. I've applauded and lauded everything. That's come out of that documentary until now I am holding his feet to the fire. I believe that Michael Jordan so into Phil's Sony Baloney and it's a Lotta con artistry a lot of tactics a lot of silver undamaged. I believe Michael Boss so into it that he got duped by Phil Jackson in the end and I believe unwittingly Michael got exposed last night in his own documentary. It made him look foolish in the end of his own. Doc The last dance because the guy who named it. The last dance was the coach now. Michael Dell coach called it the last dance because it was for the coach the last dance and the last means to get even with GM. He had completely fallen apart from that. Was Jerry Krause and the only way to get even was to convince Michael that Phil Walks into the sunset. Michael's gotta be arm-in-arm with him. Still repeatedly said through the play offs. Michael's Outta gas. He's burned out. This is the end for him. He's had enough. Every good thing comes to an end and I once asked. I forget which I think was in the Indiana series. I asked Michael after world gains. Are you with still about? Your tank is empty. And he said very coldly to me. That's stills opinion and that's what I thought Eureka maybe we got a chance to hear that they would part ways and that Michael would stay and Phil could walk. Still wanted to walk. I am convinced. He had some notion. Some handshake with the Lakers that he was going to coach the shack. Kobe Lakers as they came of age which he did a year later. He's winning his first of three straight championships in La. The spin master took Jordan for a ride. He spun him right out the back door with that. Grieving ritual Steve. Kerr talked about last night in which they put down their thoughts about how great this team was. Michael Actually wrote a poem. Then they read them each other in a closed door session and they all tossed them into the fire and burned and grieve the process because it was finished well. It was for the cold complicated. Wanted it to be finished for everybody including Jordan. I'm sorry it's Phony Baloney and Michael bought into it. And what was the quote from Michael? Last night. He said no matter. How big you were under Phil. He had this knack to take you through the process to pull you through so he could convince you that they were all doing this together. When it was actually a lot of spin a lot of hocus pocus and Shannon in in Michael swallowed it. Michael quit for the next three years. Thirty five thirty six thirty seven. The last three years of his prime he sat out allegedly because it was out loyalty fulfill Jackson whose whose off winning championships with the Lakers. It just makes me sick at my stomach to even think that this happen to Michael Jeffrey Jordan. But I'm on holding his feet to the Fire Shannon. I'm calling out Michael Today. He could've gone to Reinsdorf at that point and said Hey. We don't have to have Phil we used. Don't want tim fluid from the Iowa. State cyclones give somebody with experience give. Somebody was stature. Bring Back Doug Collins would coach before obviously still came to the Bulls and then was elevated. Anybody but but TIM's Lloyd would've worked and I think they would have won the next two championships and I do think there is a way to fit them. All under the CAP is Michael. Ed taken less and with the money. He was making his sneaker deals. He definitely could've taken last to win. A seventh from heaven was killed. He was making. He was making money from Nike and he didn't take less than ninety seven. He may thirty million and then that went up to thirty three thirty six million. So you mean to tell me he's GonNa make thirty million thirty three thirty six million and then all of a sudden good that back down to eighteen or even ten million. What are we going to take a game like? I said I gain skill while skill was Scotty pippin be so outraged to call Jerry. Krause name that he probably wished she didn't call them. Delayed the surgery trying to get the money that he thought he deserved to sign a one year deal and leave five years as sixty seven million on the table. Lonely still got thirty billion dollars killed. I know these guys love reads but when you have as Kim I can now maybe if they had gotten close and then win the ring or they had no rings. Maybe you've got a compelling point but they have three rains. There's no one if taking a one year deal for one million to three million and leave thirty million leave a level on the table. Skip that's not gonNA happen. Their ages won't allow that to happen. It's not gonNA happen. It wouldn't have. And he would have gotten his money the next year and then he could have been a free agent. The next year Scottie dog he was gonNA play forever and by the way how many more rings did Scotty Win. After he went to Houston and Chicago Zero. He won skill. He may know rings but he made a ton of money because guess West here in the process of him winning winning ring they couldn't took those things back dislike Luc Longley he went to Phoenix. How many more did he win none? But he got thirty. Bill Ron Harper did that the two rings Ron Harper and L. A. Did that change anything. He's not going to the hall of fame. Steve Kerr he wanted to more ring. Now go to the hall of fame as a coach but it didn't change me things like I said. I don't see the scenario BA- jerry reinsdorf still employed by. You've got to wait to Happen Win. Michael Jordan the MVP. It took you to gain six. So you went through three rounds. That didn't do anything for you. But was you win gave this? Oh Michael Field. Play he won the MVP. That's why Jerry Reinsdorf sole responsible for this. He broke this up and he'll allow Jerry crowds now. No this is all on your door so it in the end. The Michael I'm seeing in. The documentary is a little hard for me to watch. Because he seems like a sad figure at age fifty seven we see them with the cigars we see them with whatever drink he's sipping beside him on the little table and his eyes look sad to me. He looked very sad at the end of the dock saying that it tears them apart. It's maddening that they didn't get a chance to defend. What was there's in the in the in the reason they didn't is because their coach wouldn't come back with them. I believe Michael. He he had a hold on the rest of the team. The way still had a hold on Michael. It would've worked. They would've won a couple of more and there's value in playing with the greatest player who ever played in winning maybe five straight championships for a grand total of eight there. There's there's magnitude to it. There's history to it and I believe it would have worked if still hadn't duped all of them into a greasing ritual to say it's over for what reason no reason Phil because you called it the last dance and it makes me sick at my stomach to think of what got left him on the table. What the last dance concluding yesterday. We got a behind the scenes. Look at just how competitive Michael Jordan was. He had a will to win along with the drive to push his teammates really to the brink at all times. So she and do you think. The last dance changed anyone's opinion on. Who would go really is Michael Jordan on the Front? I don't Jenny because I believe people are dug. In and there are third situation we see not only society. Skilled people are dug in the matter. What transpired no matter what happens. How many times it happened. No matter what it said. We're dug in. That's that's some people got in the same situation. Michael Jordan is their guy and they're not moving. Not that Pence Lebron James Guy. They're not moving up that fence and I don't have a problem with their skill. I think the thing is that if you needed this for me like I said I grew up watching Michael Jordan. Have a lot of his shoes and things of that nature but if you needed this documentary to remind you how good Michael Jordan will. I don't know what you've been especially if you own enough. You're my age a little older and saw Michael Jordan where you've been skill. I don't mean to see I guess ten years from now we're GONNA have to have a documentary to remind us how great Tom Brady would. I don't need I don't need to see that document escaped bit. I witnessed it. I played against him and then I follow basically his career over the last fifteen sixteen seventeen years so I know what he represents skill. I think the thing is is. That is just like anything's guilt. These new You listen to these. New Wrap was and the baby a little baby future. Oh they better now. They better than better than be stop. Stop just a new fresh and the other guys haven't put out anything in a long period of time so let's stop this and I think that they get a liberal or to do a documentary. Let's say fifteen. Hey if colby documentary skipping the next decade help people go back. Bad Colby. I'll skip. Kobe might be the goat. Kobe by beating goat and Lebron. Follow that up. And then it's going to be another cycle. I love this skill because we're always have something to debate along long as we have something to debate. You and I will be gainfully employ by the way in your rapper analogy. You failed to mention the goat little wayne so I will just off your analysis. Yes thank you very much. But that's the Thanksgiving people forget because Wayne just dropped albumin. He legal. He had Luda got a something skill. You'll know how skills like. We haven't seen you okay so outside out of mind. Okay Shannon. I have bad news for you. This last dance documentary. Was your last dance with your argument. That Lebron is the goat. It's over now your goat mass that you often wear on. You can wear only on Halloween only on Halloween. Can you wear the gold mask or or maybe if you happen to go back to your hometown in rural south Georgia you can wear it out on the farm. You can wear your goat mask outwear at any more on national TV on undisputed because Liz Shannon got really really bad news. This ended the debate. It's over and I believe that billions of what I called. Blind witnesses out there have. There is opened by this documentary. Maybe they're too young to have seen Jordan and all his glory. I think now it's going to have a muting affect muting effect on their social media presence. I think they're going to be a lot quieter. Because in their heart of hearts they now know what they just saw and they know that force of nature in the last dance is above and beyond anything. Lebron has ever been. I believe that those blind witnesses witnessed a cold blooded killer and leader beyond anything. We've ever quite seen from your man Lebron James. I believe that they witnessed athleticism quickness acrobatics quickness of jump spring explosion. That we've just never quite seen from Lebron James. I believe they witness the greatest mid range jump shooter. We have ever seen case closed. And that's always been Lebron weakness. He has no real mid range jump. Shot game for that. Matter is a poor free. Throw shooter on top of that. I believe they witnessed behind the scenes. What a force of nature leader motivator that he was in ways. Lebron's not capable of being told you Lebron's almost too nice of a guy and I think everybody knows that I think he's a fine guy off the floor but he doesn't have enough of that killer. Will that that psycho drive in that drove Jordan so in the end Shannon. I'm sorry that it makes you step back from lebrons. Croon saying wait. A second Jordan was never accused by his owner of quitting in a series against the Celtics playoff series. He he was mad over to accusations. W melting down. Well I did. It ever happened to Michael Jordan rise. Say he quit. No I mean it's unthinkable and it's unthinkable that Michael would meltdown in an NBA finals. That went against the Dallas Mavericks Chosen. One becomes the frozen one and finally. It's unthinkable that Michael Jordan would miss a series south final saving shot and that his legacy would be saved by rail and from the corner on on land rebound to Chris Bosh. It's just unthinkable. And it disqualifies Lebron because it forces all of us to sit back and say the truth is it's not even close skill. But here's the thing. We thought throughout this documentary. That Michael Jordan Miss last shots in finals game in playoff game. And we saw Steve Kerr. We saw John. Paxson it shots and nobody's ever said they say their career nobody saying Meta world peace on that three point shot in game seven say. Kobe's career is only Lebron when he has a teammate. Now Michael Jordan teammates up make plays will be what they should do. They say they own. That was Michael. See that was Michael's leadership they're force them to make those shots in the ball. Winning Lebron does the same thing and reality say this career and this one saved his career. Nobody of career has gotten fade by teammate. Only Lebron that's what's so frustrating for me. Is that fair Michael Jordan got do? How does Michael Jordan The guy? That's mentally talk. The JETER mandrake master. How does he get do by Phil Jackson? So now what either. Michael Jordan is not as strong as you would have the belise or you're not telling the truth. That Phil Jackson is responsible. Why the Cook with one of the other. No I you know this. We all have our little weakness. We all have strong intelligence or ear and we over here. Jordan has no weakness. This one ADL slow. He bought into Phil's Phoney Baloney that was the only weakness I ever saw only line that scale. I think the thing is what made feel. So unique is that you must be able to convince the strongest Guy Your best player to buy an in. That's what he would do. That's what he could do better than any other code coach. Michael and Scotty and that's why they were able to do it. That's what he was better to do with Shaq and Kobe. No one else can tap into that. Get these guys to buy in and be one. He was able to do that. So whether you could say it was saying whether you say at the board job or whatever the case may be burning poetry and coffee canes. I don't know what it was but it worked so now I just need to note was Michael Jordan as mentally strong as you said he was because laws yellow way we deal with the team or okay okay so okay so now the point although shots by Little Stevie Kerr and little John Paxson. They weren't do-or-die shots. They weren't have to make it. Shots like Ray Allen's Braille. Shot doesn't go in if it lips out the way joins did at the end of game for at Indiana that lips rabbit having a whole different discussion because Lebrons two and seven in NBA. Finals and Dennis. Rodman say heck. What had Scottie? Pippen say when Jordan stole the ball from Carl Malone at the in Game Six at Utah in the five did is Rodman. Said I knew that you know what he's GonNa shoot it. We don't know Lebron's going to shoot it. He might pass it to George Hill. He might pass a decal over in the corner. This one is get out of my way and let me do what I do. This is do or die. We are down along with seven seconds left. I'm going to do it Jordan. Had scored forty five points in that game in forty four minutes. The rest to the Bulls wound up scoring forty two total points in that Game Scottie. Obviously with was sick and or had some back flare up where he had them back spasms. So the point. Was You saw what? What Jordan did Lebron? Just wouldn't do that. Lebron hand at that same situation at the end of game one he had the warriors dead to rights in their home. Arena with little staff switched onto mid six three. Just go up and hold opposed. Lebron a win the game. Now I gotTA kick it to George Hill so he can get fouled and go miss a free throw way to go. Lebron who thought that an NBA player would can miss a free throw. Wow I mean while Giorgio the best my only problem is that whatever join dead was right if he oh he made a guide missed shot where he made the right played as Michael Jordan. Lebron Jane what Mike took that shot. No HE DIDN'T Steve. Kerr took a shot. John Paxton took a shot. New Lonely took his bill wedding too. Dull bow so stop this notion skill. Stop this cold. It is called teammates. Remember teammates were. We got all right guys. Rick Bucur talked to several NBA personnel. About how Michael Jordan would fit in. Today's game they all agreed he would still be considered the best in the game it was. Mj's intangibles that would put him above everyone else one eastern conference GM said quote. There's nobody with his drive. Nobody with this killer instinct. Nobody close and one. Nba Trainer said he'd Imagine MJ would an even quaker buying today so shannon awaiting to think about that second. How good would Jordan have been playing in two days and the well he'd be great? I mean I think generational players would be great many error. But it's hard for me to imagine but see the problem that I have. Is that when people say only Jordan would have been great in today's game? What about Larry? Bird Larry Bird was twenty. Four ten and six and shot listened to game with his ability to shoot the three. He was almost ninety percent. Free throw shooter. Would he not being Great Dominique? Wilkins would have not been great one. On one with the fourth bread remember scale the eighties might have been the highest scoring decade. I think the sixty eighth with one of the highest for decades NBA history. So only Jordan from that era would have been great. Missed out this of course would have been great but did not have training so we didn't know anything about training. He's your with the Tim Grover. Would he wanted to train to get rid of the Bulls? I mean for the Pistons. So let me ask you a question. Okay with the advent of training and nutrition is Michael Jordan. Still going to have some of those habits that we saw the documentary. If he's going to be smoking cigars cigars and Locker. Room before the game skip. Is he going to be smoking out the game? Is he still going to have those habits about going out gambling late at night and drinking? Are those going to be a part of repertoire. Oh nobody off was a trade. But what about the other habits talk about that? We're GONNA talk if we're GONNA talk all the way real live talk all the way real so for me. Yes Jordan would be great now but do I believe Jordan would be fifteen more points better than Kobe's high scoring game average no Jordan's scoring fifty a night. We'll did that that's it. Nobody's scoring fifty Shannon Sharpe. A this about Larry Bird or magic or whatever else you want to throw into distract our audience. This is about how Jordan would do today and by the way my take away from Rick Googlers. Excellent overall peace is that Jordan would tear rise in dominate today's NBA. Even more than he did his own era now back to his bad habits he had the same habits. All the way back to the first three peat if you start in ninety one but he also had workout habits. That were unparalleled. I know because I know Tim Grover very well. Tim is right at what he does and he was great and staying ahead of the curve and in the end he kept Michael Supremely fit even though he did smoke cigars did he drank. Lebron drinks now. Lebron's a big wine. Connoisseur is wine all that different from hard liquor not to me so and they had what they called the breakfast club. They had it every morning at Michael's house and Tim. Grover routine after every home game was to go into the locker room and catch. Michael's glance just to say you. WanNa do six or seven or eight meaning. What time do you want the breakfast club? Depending on how the game had gone tonight how much it took out of you. How much you think you needed to start earlier with your workout Scottie. Pippen Ron Harper and of course Michael Jordan win at it hard. Every morning he was in supreme cicle shape he would have been if we'd taken the ninety eight. Michael Jordan at age thirty four after years of having the same off the court habits as you call them and dropped him into today's NBA. I'm sorry that quote that Ginny read is exactly right. There's nobody right now with his drive. Nobody with his killer instinct. Nobody close that. That's the essence of what he was in ninety. Eight and heat. Michael said last night that was his greatest year because he could beat you with his mind as well as his body but he had figured out the game from a cerebral standpoint as well as physical standpoint so now he was virtually invincible when he needed to be so. I'm sorry it dropped him in today. I believe shack would be right. He would average forty five game. It's possible David Falk. His agent would be right. He would average fifty a game but with no hand-checking open floor lots of run-and-shoot and three point shots emphasized remember the most three point shots in his biggest year of shooting threes. That Michael Ever average was three point. Six A game if feels like James Harden takes three point six shots three point shots per possession. It's like he averages twenty a game so if you had my twelfth threes a game yeah okay. You don't think Michael's average would go up because he could shoot it and he would have perfect. Everybody knows I'm sorry you do it. You see what you're doing. Everybody automatically assume what he's going to work on it and he's going to be able to shoot a three like steph curry. So why don't we get to automatically assume so? What about the Bronx? Lebron came? Whoa WHOA WHOA. Wait a minute. So what Lebron had had the emphasis on the three point shot when he got with Lebron so proud of Steph curry because I got into the NBA. What two thousand and eight thousand nine? If I'm not mistaken two thousand nine so let's just say. The emphasis was placed on the three point shot will Lebron had gotten to the NBA at he perfected that you see. Everybody wants to give the benefit of the doubt Jordan were Joe Jordan was a mid range shooter. Now he's mid-range game was the best all time no question about that. I'm not here to dispute there. Well we can't automatically assume because he works so hard he was going to be a great three point shooter get. Why do we automatically assume everything? Okay you said he worked really hard. But Rick you can feel if you had the training that they have now was different. That was some trainer that said Yeah but but again that was tim grover. Tim would have him in in each shape right now with the new training method. Remember Tim. Tra- Colby Tim trained dwayne Wade. He's trained a lot of the pro football players. I'm sorry he would have Michael in quickness shape overall supreme athletic shape. It hard for me to believe that might have a personal show all those years so he was eating. I mean he was eating healthy. Obviously we know more now guide. You know everybody. Everybody has a board timeshare. You don't have to be Lebron or Kevin Durant Steph Curry James Hill. The the seventh and Eighth Guy have personal shift and gathered training. More now scale because the money is so great. If you'd be foolish to not play fifteen twenty years if at all possible but scaled back then guy didn't take care of themselves. Let guys take care of themselves now? So look would Michael Jordan still be Michael Jordan skill? I believe Michael Jordan was still be Michael Jordan but I do not believe he would average forty five fifty points basketball back. He was still be great. By the way why hasn't Libron perfected? The three point shot the way into twenty twenty. This is not about abroad. Stop Brady Librado well. Nascar is back tomorrow night. It's expanding series racing Toyota two hundred presented by Geico then Wednesday night. Finish up Darlington northeast Toyota. Five hundred presented by go live in primetime only on F S One and Sunday. We're back on Fox for the Coca Cola six hundred live from Charlotte so good to have massacre back in the mix. Okay guys one game before Michael Jordan's flu game which we'll talk more about. He had to check them out of game. Four of the nine hundred ninety seven. Nba Finals due to severe cramps. The Pram stemmed from team trainers mixing up different types of gatorade accidentally giving him a different. Drink called GATOR LOAD. Shannon Jordan have gotten the same criticism that Lebron got for cramping up in the finals. It was a different time. It was a different air. Skip you understand. Now that there's cameras everywhere Things that guys could get away with back in the eighties and nineties. Guys can even can't even dream of getting away with that. I've had before and it would skip it. Were tear your stomach up if you if you have too much of it trust me. I know I I can attest to it. So by the Jordan ingested too much of this who cramps a year the prize the ballgame with. I go into the locker room for data. If you don't have me yes that will measure stomach up if you ingest. Do much of it but just goes to show you. There's a different set of rules. Michael could could Michael. I believe at the time he plays could have got away with anything. Especially when it came to own the court and nobody would have better than that and because now is because they didn't get reported anything that he's superstar player does now the first thing they go. Michael would've never come up the game. Michael would have never done that. Michael would have never said that so everybody gets compared to Michael not knowing that there were things that went on. That Michael Actually did this very similar. Things that super star players are doing now. So I'm not going to criticize the guy we didn't know about it. Then we're only finding out ex post backdoor so let it lie. I'm not GonNa let this live because this is a big L L for me. I'm sorry I also tried gator load one time and I agree with you not to be trifled with especially if you're going to go running to ingest and. I cannot believe that an assistant trainer had got it in his head to go. Gator over gator aid. I have no idea but the point was we're talking about stomach. Ramps VERSUS LEG CRAMPS STOMACH. Burs leg so now. Let'S FAST FORWARD TO GAME. One of the twenty fourteen finals in San Antonio win some some way in the and center the air conditioning went out in the second half. There were eight players who played in that game and only one cramped leg cramps. That was your man. Lebron James who struggle do the fourth quarter dragged his leg. Ambi Rebbe can me out. I can't drag my leg up to floor anymore. Lebron what are you doing? You're up six early in the fourth quarter but without Lebron down the stretch. He scored only two points in the fourth quarter. The heat fell apart and lost by fifteen so at that point in time I knew of the trainers for the Miami Heat and he told me the next day that they were having some trouble with Lebron cramping under pressure he told me it was more psychosomatic than actual physical cramping that the stress sometimes made Lebron cramp. And if you don't think he did you can look it up because I wrote it on. Espn DOT COM. So that was completely different than a gator load stomach cramp. This is some kind of weird leg. Cramping 's it was an fuel on Lebron's part and what happened the rest of the series they lost by a record finals. Margin to my spurs if you don't mind me asking so you can't play with cramps but you can play with food poisoning. Stayed up all night. You can't keep anything down Jenny. You remember the story Jamie Cope abortion. He had a full game so you can play an entire game with poisoning throwing up. But you can't stay in the game recover gate alone now but if you look at Little Lebron the only one that have on leggings. He had the tights on it. I think that caused this because I've seen right though. I don't know if you remember this fight. But I remember fight which Klitschko the trainer put too much Bassolino name but he instead of just putting on his face. He put it over his whole body. Where your body can't perspire. So a lot. It in he overheated got knocked out. So you live and you learn if you notice the next game. Lebron James didn't have those leggings on skill. If you want to beat him up if you want to buy something about Lebron have at it but I do believe abroad. J. Cram well. I don't believe I had an issue with crampy. I've always had issue with cramping I was always leading and I did like a whole lot of stuff on my stomach and Greek Ma Appalachians theater novels and even when I went to a Baltimore Bill door would always try to get a drink but skip. I couldn't drink because I didn't like stuff flush in the riding my stomach so I drank the bare minimum in practice. It could be a hundred degrees. I wore long Li. I said maybe a half a cup of water for two and a half hour that practice because they on my stomach and I headed probably cramping I still do. Give the pig the guy the guy the guy locked cook it happened is not the first time the cramps have happened. Shannon with the Bulls. A number of bulls had stomach cramps and had to go to the bench for a little while before they went back in the game as did case. Mark White. Okay okay but in this case eighteen other players are going in and out of the game in the second half and apparently they all drank while they were sitting on the bench because the air conditioning broke in. It's summertime in San Antonio. It's going to be one hundred degrees every day. You better drink. Or you're going to cramp because you're gonNA completely dehydrate and bad things are going to happen. So why Lebron was the one guy who didn't drink some kind of liquid. I don't know but he was the only one in all of game cramped. It was a bad look at it. Set a bad tone for a heat team who collapsed against the Spurs and that was of course the end of Lebron in Miami as he took his talents back to Cleveland. I think the thing is like I said he had leggings zone. And when you have on leggings you have to be really careful working out and with extra leary. Say WE'RE ACTUALLY SKIP SKIP? It needs to be caught in that. That fabric needs to be able to breathe. And Lebron you asking Lebron's gift you remember in eighty four Well that was game seven when the heat went on the air went out in the Boston Garden and they said it was like a ninety s with ninety seven degrees. But you have to understand scale. Lebron James is two hundred sixty two hundred sixty pounds and he's running up and down the field. That's why you see more times than not you received was running back. Bb's cramp as a police officer but when you're exerting more yeah is hot is one hundred degrees for office line but when you running like receivable or DB or running back quarterback never cram because they don't crap because they're not exerting the fame of the players. If you believe those players everybody out there exerting defame case in you know that last night we learned that the infamous flu was really food poisoning. That Jordan got the night before from a pizza delivery while in his hotel room and Salt Lake City. I'm Jay said he was the only person who has the pizza and within hours. He felt sick. Jordan's trainer said he had a bad feeling about the pizza when five guys showed up to deliver that pizza so Shannon. Do you actually believe that those guys put something on the pizza but made Jordan Sec auto game some bad the game some bad cheese bad beat or something skip bayless because like I say i. I'm surprised that when they ordered the peace they just didn't give one of the other guy's name dot saying but I guess you know you go into that room that time of night. They or an athlete. But for me I would. I would have never said who the pizza was four. I guess that time of night you up. There's not a whole lot open. I guess in Utah that time. And so you gotta you gotTa roll the dice. You roll the dice his stomach and he's seven and he paid report. I have to believe that pizza. Got Doctored in a way that forced Michael Jordan Manitou. Am to call. The doctor. And I was both surprised and pleased that the Great Tim. Grover went on record in the documentary. Suggesting how suspicious he was that styve guys delivered the pizza now want to the Marriott in downtown Salt Lake City and I agree with you. It's too bad you have to give the name. Michael Jordan's should've been for Tim. Grover but apparently named Michael Jordan. And apparently they had to be led up onto. Michael's floor with Michael's name obviously so in the end. Could we presume that those guys were jazz? Fans in one thousand nine hundred seven. I would assume so so to your point. Can we presume that somehow they put something on there that they knew would not agree with Michael Jordan? Yes because they dearly wanted their jazz to win and they probably thought we got him until he scored thirty eight bucks night with the quote unquote flew. It might have been a situation that the only way they would've delivered a piece of maybe they weren't even deliver. Maybe they were done and the only way they deliver it that for my Jordan. Oh this is Michael Jordan okay. We covered right away but now tim grover. Y'All eat at and after two minutes we'll see what happens when you got nothing gets in the way of MBA. Just wish there were more episodes. Good stuff today guys. That's IT for undisputed. We'll be back same time tomorrow.

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Protect Your Summer - Unanimous Decision #177

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Protect Your Summer - Unanimous Decision #177

"Welcome back to the name decision. Podcast I'm your host deep ball matter at the palm. Six six fall show on twitter at. Ud pod follow the entire intend. Eric at the network. You found that you lose. A subscribing agents subscribe on spotify prescribed everywhere. Podcasts GIGGLING for actually free. What's that that God gas? You promise between two Poles by container now coming out tomorrow Lacks today I'm gonNA give you a five part series where where it coat in. Talk about the J. Doc. Bismuth cabinet finished on Sunday as let the man recorded a great podcasts abilities into it. I really should talk to about this document. This documentary after hacked away. Second can talk to her. I want so next by Winston to talk to someone different after the dance. I can't think of name of the show is live in on the Yet we're GONNA do a little post show recap recap you kind of reflection on the Jordan doc. Our first yet on this humor destructive is the gas holly Mike Man Yo Real. That was so good so nostalgic. This is going to be a lot better than I could have hoped he wants. All the kind of the prevailing Senate was it. Went FROM WISE. Our to this should be twenty. Yeah gives us more this year? If they give all hours last I would use up to five watching it. Yes like go ahead. Just add like a bill. Wennington episode Randy Brown episode appeared. Like give it well. There was one. Here's a little you're like. Oh we're going to talk about this for two hours Sambu. Yeah I hope he's doing okay. I don't care whatever it's not fault just happen. They made their call. They had Clyde Drexler. They didn't need Michael Jordan. Which is known will ever say again even funnier later on November first of all weird including my wife second of all. He ends up destroying progressing as elsia Bobby Knight yet like Toll Portland before this. After Jordan played on the came or draft Jordan client. I don't care what white Jordan it's cool it's cool. We've got climbing ladies and gentlemen what sentiment from so you're looking at your age how this hit you initially have. What did you think about going into so going into it? You know I was. I was big Jordan Fan. Big Basketball Fan so I you know thought I'd consumes quite a bit of Jordan stuff back in the day. I mean I watched all the movies had his books all that kind of stuff but the thing. I didn't realize I was a kid. And you know I've never actually thought about any of this or reflect on any of this as an adult so it's definitely hitting differently also there has been some stuff up learn. You know especially like the pippen stuff like I knew some of it but thinking about it now as an adult in NATO inside. Yeah like himself later in the episode kind of talking about the charter bus but that was very trade interesting. Because could they paid him more. Yes sign a bad deal. Yes is he doing aggression being upset? No however like the right thing to do is to pay the money businesses. Do the right thing. None and then like one second so so I really like kind of the state. So I've been kind of absorbing media around this for the last two weeks. I've been listening to a lot of ambience podcasts. Were talking about not just stories of Jordan stores in his DOT com made. Yeah she's been in the ball since ninety eight season APP and so they kinda talked about last time. Podcast they talked they kind of beauregard. They kinda talk their way into being the on the ground film crew for this quote unquote last dance with the tacit agreement. That would stay in the vault until Jordan in the NBA will use it. The number of hearings twenty million dollars. That's how much the salting cost. Nba Right's fees Music Music is a smaller. I'm talking about like the big money like Jordan. Getting probably the biggest slices did you hear how Director got your sign on for this. I've heard one sorts in starting to talk about. I heard on another Podcast I think put us in New York and got a message like can you go meet Mike and like thirty minutes at this place goes in talk show him? He looked like astro. Why do you WanNa do this? And he's like I don't and Jordan's worried about like being represented or misunderstood citing the hall of fame speeches in example a guest director made it clear that he understood Jordan and put them at ease and during Zo. I heard about the producer meaning to the producer meetings very interesting because apparently so there's a mini Dr floating around that uses this footage. It's an hour and a half and it's been around since like six and then the bolt because the world wasn't ready for because you can't do the Jordan story on and Twenty two teams run and it gets is producer reasoning. I'm forgetting but also produced the Irish doctrine thirty for thirty incomes. Any pitches to like Gisele the speech. He gives him everything on why they. WanNa do it. And part of the pitches him saying their kids wearing shoes. Mike who don't know what she did and Mike stopped and got the in the book and saw the credits in production. Tina dining said you guys have everson dog. He said Yeah and the way he said. I have no idea this now. We're done here. What looked up and said across three times watching. I love the little guy all right. Let's do so retreat. They wouldn't filming this and their target release date was twenty eighteen. And of course we're hearing twenty. It's found the bigger lease but it is a CO nation of a lot of work. A lot of passion and a lot of the people who are talking. Wouldn't have talked Jordan hence another or if you don't get Jordan doing but also if making a murder doesn't happen if the OJ knocked doesn't happen if there isn't proof in the world that you can do this with the documentary over multiple parts if he will stay on say attached and said Hey twenty dollars investment they would've espn a Netflix That up guys and here. We are in a world now two hours later. I have to tell you right now. Michael Jordan if you go to counselling I mean he talked about race. He said the word racism not about the personal stuff like the wait long interview in looks back on his childhood like fighting for attention from his father. He said you know described things as traumatic you knows seemingly really honest about it and not trying to maintain a facade. Yeah it was refreshing the Seattle team for those who are wondering. What kind of numbers thing did glad you ask the most highly rated? Espn back in history. Is You don't know which three point six million viewers for its debut last. Dad's wanted to average six point one million viewers. Yep You got constant drop my friends captive audience blue literally literal Yeah what's up? It's more big picture. Saw things that may have learned in documentary. Holy Jerry Krause like I didn't get across not the good guy. It always hurts name but ninety seven ninety eight twelve thirteen. I don't really grasp what his responsibility isn't showing. It looks like he said I'm tired of not getting his love. That goodness shine. Y'All gotta get the Fuck Outta of here. I will get to Oh right. Eighty to know you're still gone really okay and it's interesting because the same thing that you're not crying skied. Anything is one of the reasons this team so successful is that they're able to keep the costs down and cross lines. Are Billing more more money and you saw the way they treated like we'll meet The daily he mentioned that they should call across trump's always crumbs on his shirt like like. I'M NOT SAYING JERRY. Krause needed to have tickets in the iron saying that. She must've been merciless. Moore's me Jordan you think Jordan took it easy on him please. No we heard video. I feel like we didn't even scratch her. That's eight hundred three way. Worse for Reference Will Give You Jack at home. We're now like a bumped into the doesn't nineteen ninety eight season. Excuse me that was a low-carbon things. I want to touch on how they did this. They're able to tie this season. The journey into the history of Michael Jordan. I thought it was cool. Look at his life at UNC. And how much you mentioned being Jordan at UNC. Everything that would entail right. I WOULD WANNA leave but like how cool is it that he sat down with Dean Smith and dean? Smith's like yeah this makes sense to you should enter the draft. You know When he died now it a trust set aside every play whoever. Let it under him. That money need how. How did I hear about that? I think it was a lot of to civil care. Young under Dean Smith. You got casualty kicked the bucket man. Wow Okay Bill. That's a guy I'm GONNA see Roy Williams. I did not realize assistant back at you. Like just leave it like if you say it'd be some like perfect sense. Yeah Y- MARQUESA to get him on camera. Oh for sure for sure for sure I liked Like cabins all that stuff early. I really like that and then we get to the first year in College. I really you know off the top of my head. I can't think of other documents have done this. I mean I'm sure they have but you know having his mom read that letter at home and then have him watch footage of her reading. You know I thought that was that you know. That was the second bathroom to`real decisions made during Sacramento of our number. One was but he that Scott Glass full baby you want and flogged the Phillies. Very interesting regime. And it's it's it is. You're right that it was very humid. Both Michael Jordan. When that was very funny was both traveling cocaine circuits. It you can tell by contorted never heard described only before. Yeah under pro denied but Mike you. He reacted. I'd taken a firm coverage Yup laugh. Everybody had teams excuses right now. I mean I definitely went and looked up the roster. Let's give you don't ask questions before. We will want to say that there was one thing that got started in the college years continued entire career. That was interesting as patron Patrick Ewing sets. Yeah I mean I didn't realize he beat Pat in the finals in the NC Double A. To attack you just start ruining life in the NBA. I wonder if that was go me my entire life but like they became friends. I mean I sleep in later. I don't believe he has well. He helped packet better that jumper he had towards the later in came from working out with. Georgia. Summers threat runs parallel view detailed after. He said he'd help as well but she had a cool to look like as you. And I was born so Georgia's that finished product. The the really the the now view Jordan. Let's say easily ninety two long. That's true that's fair to see this other. Jordan was very. I am because I have watched all like he's always initiate that. There's no respect there because like bird said he was. It wasn't his turn yet. He felt like someone was arriving too early. In when you watch him. Dropped sixty three in the garden Cow WHOA WHOA. Whoa let's rewind to spur season. Jay had who's a third leading score in the League? Yes Sir Behind Bernard King and Larry Bird. Yes twenty years old third. Okay I mean he. He's given it to back to back defensive player of the year Sydney Moncrieff and then the Celtics Games sixty three four hall of famers in their house. Play Emmy and they're all wooden. Rick Carlisle not only on Jordan within putting that document reach. I'll saw mass squares a day and coach. Yeah like I think we all forgot. Rick was on that team and every other like everyone tried to garner file out Tredegar Jordan. And what's wild when it's going to be one of the fundings do because the fifth episode we're going to have Susan on ear his before the she had no exposure Michael Jordan. Which can you ask her how that's possible at the time that repeatedly a competitive kind of crazy person I was. She wanted drug central. Sorry that was like some of the entire world. What is wrong with you time travel or how this happened? We've frozen it's like had. She seen space jam. I I've never come up in space. Amen they could be the main Grouse speculation and of course. They did though side-by-side. I have no putting around right now and Michael Jordan. I feel like on the Jordan scale pettiness. That's like a five. You know spending today will exist forever to some five. That's appropriate. If it's five the accurate should be ended to convince jetson perpetuity. It's a whole this five jerry crust. We lost two years ago. He's no longer in the League as a kid. Say Eight involved any document. I mean I think they gave him a lot of screen time. I think he's going to continue to get some screen time from look. He's started the last dance of Phil. Titles this last season in the ninety the call lasted. He's been told across skills about him. They've done this flirtatious bullshit with Tim. Floyd out that workout and feels like the fucking about. I'll be one which is the. Which is the appropriate reaction. Our country speaking petty krause invited the entire team but fell to his kids wedding. Not just the team. Also the management field an Tim. Floyd home invite you. Yeah Yeah so the last day of the coming do make these records fluck krause. And it's amazing what you can do when you unify behind. Like I've played for coaches. Who are like the media links? They'll play harder. That's a weird way. Okay but machiavellian plan but he was just that aided now he just wanted too much credit. Well that's you know it's funny I was trying to explain this Susan The NAME OF THE BOOK. The parables you ever read it. One of the federal concepts of it is the disease of more. Yeah is worry win the more everyone's more credit more money more attention more? They feel like they're part was more important. And every time you succeed in life it's a fight that disease or moral this game. I was still working my rain. I'll be in so interesting because for this team for this bowl team you have to subscribe Yourself yet you give love yourself to the Jordan. Anything Sixty guys in his team have better success elsewhere or could have been alpha dogs. They're saving Abbas of the problem. You play with the broncos. He puts him Dunkin McBride. You have to some of Your Games. Give it up for the for the greater good. Does it happen with him? Doesn't I couldn't help it? Literally Chan thought rage I really don't know what's wrong with that. But the bottom line is that. What's being lesser does make lesser players make. Us Her talent is going to you. Had to do specific Goltz jobs and starting pippen job. Was everything else. Every when he signs a contract ninety one so he is agent is review so his get right was an early consigned before he had turned anyone. He didn't have early to bit. He signed up for seven years because he had been so burned. That was Scotty pippin authorities. And why? I don't ever remember. It'd be a player saying I want my money or one out of this town. Guess what if they keep you for cheap? They've fucking would look. He signed it for like very real reasons. One real reason to just hang on certain point your contract but like he's one of twelve kids stats and wheelchair another brother in wheelchair. He grew up dirt. Poor like his thoughts. Were I need to secure what I can for as long as I can so I know that I'm able to provide for them for the foreseeable future like he didn't WanNa Gamble that you know? He didn't want to risk getting hurt. Or you know anything like that. He was very much just trying to secure his family's future. I'm not saying it was an understandable decision. I'm saying that clearly records back sign the four year. Yeah same foreign and option seven amount. Matter is decision I and the thing is when you get to ninety eight and says hey pulls the early shack Company tells me he'll anytime I'm not messing up my summer gets is saline. I'm like what the fuck it my summer assured in which I've already purchased the greatest line in documentary. Maybe the grandson American history. Not about the fuck about summer. Who Look that might never know if had it in them covers that you'll fight mental fucking summer. I'm not gonNA fucking about summer. We'll go to Kim's Georgia on Friday. I'M NOT GONNA fuck about summer. I'm not going to do it. Might Not GonNa fuck about summer. It's gotten into bed. That about Scottie. Pippen has not been given please sorts of stories but will Jordan where he was looking of course that was that was very funny because the first few hours are very not like soft pillow Jordan but they based about Jordan. You're there lies truck now go. Women are turned away Jordan Rowdy Lot. That's fine but the flash and he said scouting was wrong. It was being selfish by two point five mill and he's on the fifth dirtiest ever that that old clip. That was glass right like time to think about this for the uninitiated. That's the moment you need your that. You're going to give it a lot more over the next eight hours early. You're waiting for it. Does on sobe didn't smile instill agent that like I'm pretty sure Jordan. Made more on his like battery. Endorsement Than Pippen may on his power in the League of unintended consequences. This is the fact that they're very. Funny Scottie Pippen local commercials floating around you so the NBA. Low commercials are the best but skied into the best because he had no choice so everyone to go search guiding Commercials and Bask in the awkwardness of Scotty. Giving selling you anything anything anything. You couldn't get Michael. Yeah you couldn't you couldn't afford it doesn't do regional underpaid under study and the second one for their styling opening night in that big ass suit. I don't remember what was happening. Evangelist time all. That fabric for sunny couch died. Scotty live we used to couple man that was out? They called me physical hours worrying about that. Sometimes let's see the trends happen in twenty years. You'RE GONNA look back and laugh at this shit so I distrust like a child of all growing. Were close. I don't think you're immune to this? I'm not sure that's the molins but man. I've never had that suit. Never I enter into a rectangle. One man were a brick made of cloth. That's what I saw. I feel like it's only gonna get better slash worse. Yeah they could do attend documentary on Draft suits no shit. I second For like a five year period is is there a point where it hurts but points after the we know that that generation player loves to talk so for those five years? That's easy easy. But the show ends with kind of a combination of all things. He'd seen the competitiveness the drivers of teammates his disdain for the front office A Phil Jackson having to tell Skye to not be so mean to Jerry. Krause you imagine got cussing out in front of the whole organization on the team bus Allen. Say is I want to be sensitive. Actual blood or bullying is big and no one should be bullied. Their place of work should not agree of me having tell another grown at him to stop being so mean this other own ass man in front of everybody. Mike and I know there are certain that'd be Nutley. Okay celebrate and I'm okay with that now I hope I co-signed that movement couldn't be me like housing was spill. Was He like very serious when he told sky? Don't eat more. I notice fills in this ever shit about fuel to get to be master and be a highly competitive athletes like on sorry. Bill found a way for pets. Thinking was Zinn when he won the championship in New York Lord the Championship at New York. I mean he did. They've been living off that ever since. That's all the health verse. The first Culminates and ends with Scottie. Pippen trader bust and that time in the documentary was the in those like trade. Scotty I was very taken brought of. They can get make this year work and we know how it is now they do but I guess foreparts ahead of a Su parts in the CAM. What are you looking most forward to seeing in the documentary? I mean so much. I'm very much looking for to the Dennis Rodman episode which was three yes. I watched that made for TV bio bio pic back in the day in looking at Dennis Rodman in twenty twenty. You know the way we think about things that I think is gonNA greatness can be so when there's more to North Korea did trump. I'd forgotten about that. You gotta remember. This is the year. He's doing professional wrestling during the fines former member. Nwea OH he's on WB television during the finals his match against General. Please Carl Malone. He won right. I'm not GonNa Bibit moment in his territory. Speaking of I'm also looking forward to Scotty pippin ruining Carl Malone at the free throw line telling him he doesn't deliver on Sunday and there's a lot that's looking forward to the most is selling holiday for the most. I two things before we get to that. I'm really see how Jordan legitimately feels management. Fourteen minutes fourteen minute. We're GONNA stab support you when they took him out. And there's like thirty seconds left in there tied or something impacts and the shot over Louis Jordan shoots up leader in a playoff that same year. The playoff just Bravo Ravi Cima. But the thing. I'm looking forward to most entire documentary. It's small and it is petty and it goes beyond even my love of Jordan stories or might disdain for Doesn't capacity this day because the biggest looking forward to the most is yes. We all short the shot Jordan Universal. How'd that shot Michael Easter up? Rodman stole the ball from Carl notes. Written Kroth Working Rodman Jordan swipes. Because Carl Malone's never met Opportunity to come up big where he's ever come not come up short. I love watching like that was fun things that they I was during dock near a podcast if you an MVP. When Michael was playing he made it a point to hurt you in the playoffs. Yeah in the greatest that is will always be Akeem dismantling Dennis Rodman Dennis Robinson David Robinson my bat. It's if you don't know talking back from two young first of all God bless you second of all just what just go watch a King clips on Youtube. I mean that's another thing but the key like mentioned in the document keep up looking Ducati's I mean man he goes so good so good even asthmatic. Sarah but none of Michael Jordan and it's really cool to have encapsulation kind of you know bearing all that out before we go. You must think you're like me grew up in the Jordan era. But you've come over to the side of Lebron's the grids will time. Are we doing? What do you mean cessation strong as a unit or folding? I think the Broncos fans are okay through two or go through two. I'm annoyed with Kobe stance. Kobe need phonebook. That yeah like the guy. You're covering copy of it. That's cool. Are we forgetting or are we not seeing again? How ridiculous and efficient Jordan was it was. We watched Kobe on a lot of mazing. And then you want to play it. Looks like he's just like a better version of Kobe. In the you just not yet. That's it co it was Jordan split. Let's say things about Kobe Bryant? This is the limits of guests. That's fine they can come on. Man. Thank you for watching the first shoe. I'm certain Los Angeles will be here every Tuesday to break the next to last dance for the next five weeks. That was his show. Tomorrow we back with between two palms and the finale of the fast and furious film Franchise Finally Watch it.

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Full Show (Michael Jordan, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin x James Harrison, Brady vs. Rodgers, Rams, LeBron James)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

1:51:48 hr | 4 months ago

Full Show (Michael Jordan, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin x James Harrison, Brady vs. Rodgers, Rams, LeBron James)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Good Horning welcomed undisputed is. Are you guys doing today? I'm with Phyllis and Shannon Sharpe and I'm ready to get this show going slower my journey. I am so ready to get going wait guilt. Vela's Shannon Sharpe. You've been in trouble all week and I believe you're going to be in more trouble starting right now. Hopefully after Sunday which will be one of the happiest days of my life. Weakest Stop This blasphemy one Goat James. That's what I want to have Shannon. You Defending Your Guy. All Week Good news for us we also have Eric Dickerson joining us later on in the show but you know what only appropriate that we start by talking about Michael Jordan and those bowls because it's hard to believe but we're going to see the end of the last dance. It concludes this Sunday and skip. You taste social media video to be released on Sunday afternoon in which you're gonNA great detail about two big one on one interviews. You did late in the bulls ninety eight season with GM Jerry Krause and head coach Phil Jackson author. Which you said Liu your mind so skip I wanna ask you your final takeaway from covering the Bulls in nine hundred ninety eight and that's the ginny in all my years in this business. I've never found myself in something so baffling so con- sounding so troubling and ultimately so mind blowing is what I found myself in the middle of in Nineteen Ninety eight as the columnist for the Chicago Tribune watching the last dance from the inside out. Big Sit down interviews in late March with Jerry Krause the GM and then in early May during the Charlotte playoff series. Big Sit down in Phil Jackson's office with the coach of the Bulls and what I heard from each of these two men whose relationship obviously had completely deteriorated was just difficult for me to process and I remind everybody I had just come to Chicago before that season straight from Dallas Texas where I'd written three books about the Dallas Cowboys. The second of those books predicted that Jerry Jones would soon sire Jimmy Johnson that was after their first super bowl. Obviously they won a second together. And then Jerry Fire Jimmy is. My Book. Predicted in the final chapter would happen. Everybody told me I was out of my mind then but I said No. This is predictable that blow up. I got this one. I I still can't get and Shannon. Here's the point that playoff run. I caught Michael after one game and I told him that. That sill was just openly saying we were all presuming. That have still got fired if his contract didn't get renewed and we knew that was going to happen because he had fallen completely. Apart that everybody presumed that Michael was going to go to and sill was openly saying to everybody including me in that big sit down interview that Michael had run out of gas in nineteen ninety eight and because of his loyalty to feel he was just going to flat out retire. Remember we're talking about the greatest player. Who Ever played in any team sport willing to walk away in the heart of his prime or at least at the end of his prime and missing his age. Thirty five thirty six thirty seven season by just sitting out which is what he ultimately as we know did. But when I asked Michael About Sills contention that that Michael would just up and retire Michael really coldly replied to me. That's feels opinion. And that was the first sign of lives and hope that I heard from Michael Jordan and it made me very happy because there was no reason for Michael to go to and as we all know. Jerry Krause had plucked Phil Jackson Out of obscurity. He was a coach for the Albany patrons. Argument is assistant coach. Then when Phil Kissed Up and buddied up to Jerry Krause. Jerry fell in love with Phil and finally replaced Doug Collins with Phil Jackson. Doug had coach Michael for three of his early years and yet once Phil got hold of the reins of the organization and they won their first championship. Silk completely turned on Jerry. Just duped him to get the job and began to mistreat just the way Michael. Scottie shamed and ridiculed little tiny the penguins. I call him Jerry Krause. So Jerry Krause was living in one or to get even with Phil we get that and he already had a handshake agreement with Tim's Loin from Iowa state to be the new coach the Bulls so I- publicly encouraged Michael to just forget about Phil. Forget about Tim Floyd. They called him. Paints Lloyd off the Rock Group. That was her sarcastic. Term for because fill-up employed and I thought Michael could then go to Jerry Krause and say hey look I realized the bridges burn between Jerry and Phil. I got it. But they'll never coexist again. So let's forget about Phil but don't give me Tim. Floyd or pink Floyd gives me a real coach bring back Doug Collins. Obviously Doug ultimately want with Michael for his last HURRAH YEARS. Thirty eight thirty nine years old in Washington give me Doug Collins back give me anybody who's a made man in the NBA is a head coach. Anybody with credibility stature and experience and I'll go forward why Michael wouldn't do that to this day haunts me because that was the move to be made and I believe Jerry reinsdorf would have compromised with that move. Keep Jerry Krause is legitim- bring in another coach. That Michael Signs off on not Tim Floyd but as we all know Michael stuck by his guns inexplicably which is why can't wait for maybe episode. Ten of the last dance. I want to hear what Michael says about this because I wrote to conclude my column in May and June that year. I said the worst sports thought I could ever think is Michael Jordan. Gone at age thirty five and still still coaching at fifty three. And as we all know Phil went right on it to go near it. Right onto the Lakers and wound up coaching. Shaq and Colby to three straight championships. And what did I always call fill? It everybody called him the master. I called him the spin master. I never trusted him. I never trusted his sort of spin. Golly holdover Michael Michael was very impressionable when it came to fill an believed. That seal talked or almost duped Michael into retiring at a loyalty to fill when he did not need to sill. Didn't retire film went on one three more championships in a row. Shaq and Kobe three beaten. La So I believe that Michael also got taken for a ride by the spin master as I call him an Indian. It was the most confounding and actually the saddest story I've ever covered. Well let me start with your before. I make my escape. The reason why he didn't to Jerry Krause because Jerry Reinsdorf with two people that he can bully because you know why they had more power within organization then him. So you can bully. Steve Kerr and Scotty Rail and some of those others. Because they're player. You are the best player so you have. You're able to to reign over them with your tenure with your plate but you notice she can never bully J. Krav every player that he basically said he wanted skip Envisat documented. Jerry. Crowd went and got somebody totally opposite. If Jerry Reinsdorf it like I said Jerry. Krause took a lot of criticism took a lot of heat but Jerry. Krause who just the she'll this Jerry Reinsdorf because he could make all this a moot point he could have say Jerry. You'RE GONNA stand down on this. We're going to keep this thing rolling until the wheels fall off but when Jerry Krause Jerry Reinsdorf and say this is what I WANNA do okay. You see what happens to it happened again. Rest his soul with a volume polian in Washington. You see when people have more power than you. You can't bully them that's why he couldn't really J. Crowds. He could like you said he could have but he knew what the answer were. Jerry Krause made it abundantly clear. He can go eighty two in with all of his layout gave about thirty and he's still not coming back. And if Michael Retired Michael earned the right to do whatever he wants to do so it will be moved boy so he was like. I'm not wasting my time because there might be a time later in life. I'm GONNA need that energy. I won't need that breath that I wasted J. Across and Jerry Reinsdorf. That's why he didn't do it. Skipped you know why he didn't do it because he couldn't believe them he couldn't put them in a corner like hello. It's about winning. So are you mean to tell me? He said winning. And if you don't WanNa wear get league in the way of moving. Don't do it there have now we do here. Look at the end of the first repeat. He said that he would exhausted. He was tired of the media. Barrage the constant barrage of cosmic criticism. And it started to you know. They started to say well. What happened with your father was a direct correlation of what transpired with Michael in his personal life. I don't believe that but because of criticism scale you mean me tough if the most mentally tough guy in the history of sports couldn't handle media Chris wow imagine what he would have to go through in the social media age today. Imagine what Lebron James. Here's constantly there was no debate. Show there was no twenty. Four Hour News Cycle on fourth in ninety eight. Ninety seven with Michael was in his heyday in him. Prime can you imagine the criticism of some of the thing that was reporting going gambling of the day about? What would that be the night? Outdoor the David Bore playoff game. The constant golfing. Can you imagine the criticism? Imagine a guy player now skipping basketball be Lebron James Kevin Durant Steph. Curry would be covered casino before championship. Game or EPA championship game ream. He got the name he was caught. Everybody wrote about it. Everybody was everywhere and Lapointe the criticism. The BERAR remember magic. Say of Y'all keep being the guy you're going to write him away from the game. Imagine what Lebron has been going through since. He was seventeen because of criticism. I just saying skill. The thing was agree with you on this. You and I agree you and I agree that Jerry Reinsdorf Jared Crouch should've let this thing out let all the gay run out of the car. It's it if it runs religion outside role in the middle of the season. Oh she puts it out in the middle of either but I don't believe he should have broken it up. I believe he should've let somebody else break it up. You normally air positive normally empire. They'll say you know what we're tired of lauding all this bath territory. You know what? Let's give it up normally some body from the outside convinced fixing over or within this case like the Roman empower if they'll with the INSKIP so when I look at agree believe Jerry Krause Jerry Reinsdorf to let it go but Michael Do? I believe Michael should've leaves boy going to Jerry Krause. John Gone Jerry door but I believe like you said with got it. They've never taught my they'd never tour. Michael joins contract so the likelihood of them Scotty contract and extending him when they never did that. Michael was not going to happen. Remember in the ducks. Michael says got new. Jay Across that contract Redo his contract so Michael having been with Jay across basically sits at his first year. Nineteen eighty-five if I'm not mistaken. Step Barat Thorn. He Knew Jerry. Krause brought with him back with Jerry. Krause got something in his hand skill. That was it if there was no turning back but I thought of all this yes killed. J. Across maybe you don't like him but I saw Jerry Reinsdorf jair given been portrayed very favourably in this documentary with you and I both know when you peel everything way. He was owners. How does the general manager have more control more in an organization then the owner Jerry? Reinsdorf just like he did in ninety eight when he brought peel back all that last day he said I'm bringing field back again. And not in or level land's Day five fifty our core. Well I'm breaking could've been the last day of I will do it on the okay. That's the end of the single goes back. Then he come back out and give you a another set. Maybe five Kim fifteen minutes Jay rise could have demanded of JAE crowd. Bring Peel back on call. Encore and we'll see this thing plays out but what. I'm going to take most from documentaries. Is that like I said I knew about the on court stuff but behind the scene the maniacal guy what he was willing to endure what he was willing to go through what he was willing to push his teammates to get to a level. That's what I'm most impressed with like. I said being quarantined for me to watch something other than you politics and so I've watched a lot of documentaries and so I knew Sam Cook could see just like you know Sam Cook and see but when you watch documentary you get an opportunity to see a different side of Sam. Cook that you like. I did not know exists. I did not know he had that type of relationship with Mohammed Ali. I did not know that he was in Miami that fights and he and Jim Brown I think if I'm not mistaken Mohammed Ali within a room. Together I didn't know that. So now you get an opportunity to see Michael Jordan off the court. Everybody saw him on the court specialty. You did you were covering day to day but you saw some of the things behind the scenes. I did not know I did not see that behind the scenes so that was great for me. To see is the show over. I have never heard one person talk along on undisputed in the history show. Is You just talk a whole lot of nothing? Let's get back to the first three peat and you said Oh he burned out. He couldn't take the media he baloney voice. Me When I show you agreed. I think it's my turn to talk. Now you agreed that it had to do with gambling. It was some kind of a suspension slash avis that he took off to play baseball. You agreed the first after the first couple of episodes. Yup that's what was going on your system issues about it. I'm real suspicious about it to this day. It made no sense to me. He caused himself to championships right there. So we miss those two missed a season in about three fourths of the next season and was not ready to play. Orlando obviously in the playoffs and the conference finals. And now we fast forward to Jerry REINSDORF and I I gotTa tell you I resent you calling the vote a bully. He is not a bully. He was simply the greatest leader slash motivator in the history of sports. Now one player who played with them has called him a bully. Now one player has said publicly. I hate him. I couldn't stand him. They all thought there was method to them madness all of his ridicule. Whatever held that he made some pay. It was all to make their weakness a strength and they all contributed down the stretch. And I told you yesterday I showed you that roster it was to quote the Great Lebron James. Top heavy as bleep. It was Scotty Pippin. Nothing but a raw robin to Batman and then a Rodman who barely was able to stay in bounce. Thanks to the guidance of Michael Jeffrey Jordan and after that it was just a bunch of guys that he turned into winners. He toughened all of them up. And when you say Oh Jerry Reinsdorf is the one guy. He couldn't bully Baloney. He couldn't believe him he just didn't try to use his power to power play if he had gone to public. If he'd come to me and said I need you to print this print that I went to Jerry Reinsdorf and I said Jerry pick any coach who is experienced in the NBA. Not Tim Floyd I will stay for two more years and we'll win two more championships if he had said that. That's a power-play I don't think Jerry. Reinsdorf KHUDA withstood the media beating. He would've taken under those conditions but Michael got thin. Golly he got Machiavelli and by by Phil Jackson Phil talked him into. We've gotTa do this together. We've to retire. We've got quit on them and quit together whole and still clear linear and then he goes to La and coach Shaq and Colby. Oh no still no no no. Don't don't worry about save peacoat. You like come back bring back best. Altima power play Kale Jerry. Reinsdorf strange back and let us win to now. You can't. We can't win win it. No P stores deal well. I just told you what happened. Still had turned on Krausz Krauss picked Phil and he earned on it. He duped into getting picked and getting elevated navy turned on him. Michael could not descend that Michael Body and the Spin. Master's spin so it was up to Michael. Step back and say you know what in the end krause fill? They're just to June bugs on my windshield in the final splattering on my windshield. I can go forward by myself. My team is not to hold Scotty. Went on played. Six MORE YEARS Steve. Kerr went on one two more rings. Ron Harper went on and won two. More rings with the Lakers. Every player on that team went on Dennis. Rodman went on an average ten rebounds for the Mavericks Min Fourteen. So the Lakers. They all still had plenty of gas in the tank to win two more championships. It should have been an straight championships in for Michael. Jordan would not have any leg to stand on with just like bullying. It was very selective in who he chose to believe. I read a story. I read a story yesterday about Human Robert Perish Robert Perez. I'll never with you because I have rings. Michael said I'll go kick your you know what she said. I took two steps toward him and say no. You're not Michael. I never had another problem with Michael. You see Michael has elected as Charles. Barkley said he had selected bullying who you knew who the bully and who who could and who he. Why didn't he got if he's what you said He. Why not go to J Ryan Door Matter? Powerplay go to Baylor skill. I won't do the right. Listen I want you to put it in big yellow lead? Gen Door if you bring bail back out comeback. He didn't do that because there is no nobody can bully. A billionaire allows you on their level. Michael Jordan was on their level. Now maybe now if he was a billionaire and you can transport him back he'd be thirty four and half the amount of money that has okay. We can have a different argument but at that time. Jerry Reinsdorf look at it like you still a player. I pay. He'll salary you're rich. Are Wealthy there the difference between the two? That's why he couldn't William feel you can make it all you want to heat it world there pick a coach but that's what bullies do they let guys they'd be with week in they pick on you. He Knew Jerry. Krause had more power with their new organization than he did and Soda. Jerry Reinsdorf because he owned the team. So that's what he did with it. You can dress it up. You can dress up all your vote to share that you and you said absolutely nothing but at the end of the day of this. That's got she'll saying absolutely nothing ever guy the spin master what happened. Everybody feel filled him still convinced him. Let's both take a year. Let's quit. Let's walk into the sunset together and Phil kept walking and walking and walked all the way to La to coach shack and go go. Michael took three years off. May the most mentally tool guy that has the strongest mind in the history of sports gas spy he got. Do let us strength. He got run a muck were different. Jordan. I'm confused now. How can a man that has the strongest man the most indomitable wheel in the history of team fourth? Maybe it's fourth bearden. How could he let a man do? He'll skip out now. You need you need Shantha lying. I'm won't turn it back over to you. You tell me how does may that have intestinal puerto too bad kind of my give? Do I need to hear from you right now? Because as opposed to Lebron James he actually looked up to and respected coaches head coaches. The blonde is always coached his own team. I'M GONNA quit saying I resent it because in the end. All you've got now is bully. Oh now I can dismiss him as a bully. It's the biggest crock you've ever tried to sell on this show before it's all you've got in the end it's over. Thank you last dance. It's the last dance for you. And Your Lebron is the goat argument. Which is the weakest argument in the history of sports but skip you magazine by tooth? Pain can't be true because the person is a great athlete. He must be a great person. He must be a great leader in every great attribute comes along with being a great athlete when you and I both know that's not true but you try to play that because you won't Michael Jordan to be this. This ideally figure this perfect. There's more with Michael no clock. Yes you don't I told you on the star. I told you before. The documentary started. It's going to come across that. He's mercilus ruthless heartless method to madness. Six Championships in six tries was six. Mvp's with a team. That was not that talented. That is basketball genius. That is goat as a two. The two little white guy who food bully the two guys he could move it talk by giants first-round pick from last year de'andre Baker and seahawks corner went and Dunbar while they were both accused of armed robbery in Florida and warrant has been issued for their arrest our according to the warrant now Baker and Dunbar rob guests of money and jewellery at a cookout on Wednesday Shannon here reaction to the story. This is just baffling to me. Is that all your life. You work just can't leave these environments. If you listen to a lot of guys store especially the African American guys that make professional sports. They do everything they possibly could to leave that environment to leave that type of situation make good get mom get dad get others out of that situation so they don't have to go back there. I'm compute reported that they had law they were. They were gambling earlier. They lost money and they returned a day or two later to recoup the losses. So I'm computer. You don't want to lose money. Don't gamble your first round. Pick you got gotTA contract worth over ten million dollars and now all of a sudden you WANNA turn up to it you to turn to Jack Boy. GonNa try to hit a legal somebody. What are you thinking is simple and they show up with no mask simple. There's a civil lots of shady stuff like this. No no face no case no name. No BLAME SKIP. Everybody knew who they were scared. How can I go by bill talking about stick it on? Somebody's kill everybody who I got no faced off with. Nba Playoffs. Try to do a hold up. He was saying put Taller in Detroit. And it's like that too he like. Nah that ain't me and it was the scale you do there. And then you you leave in a Mercedes' Abi on W. Who JACKET PEOPLE IN? Lambo no sense and you be worried about a commission you've got to worry about the Dior Broward County Dade County somewhere. That's what you need to be worried about skipping reported that some teams took Baker up their board because of attitude because a personality. If I can you believe it or not. Maybe it's a case of mistaken identity skill level. You do this. Just chalk it up to the game. We've all those money be a bagels or playing Playing car the role. We all love. Money's that's a part of it but to go back and try to recoup your bet way. Oj OJ here. I know I know exactly what you're talking about. I brought that up to somebody on the show early this morning sounds just like Oj all over again. That's my money my stuff my memorabilia. I'M GONNA go get her back with guns brush. Probably not not a good idea. Okay no so these stories. Tear me apart. Because it's possible that in a flash point of a moment in like five minutes both of these young men through their lives away. It's possible we don't know how it's all going to fall out. All we know for sure. Is that arrest? Warrants have been issued against these two and one is against the Andre Baker for four counts of armed robbery with a firearm and four counts of aggravated assault with a firearm. And Quinton Dunbar. Just got four counts of armed robbery with a firearm. There were some mixed accounts. Did he have a gun or not? Quinton Dunbar. I don't know we don't know all those facts yet. We just know this is not A. It's just good going to come of this and is a horrible look and just to remind everybody of the stature of these two young men de'andre Baker won the Jim Thorpe Award while Georgia for the best defensive back in America he was first team all American and he was a late first round draft choice of the New York football giants number thirty in the first round and he got good money. You got to sign five point seven million signing bonus. His guarantees are supposed to be up to nine million. It's a decent contract. You're making pretty good nine. That a lot of people your age not laking. He's only twenty. Two years of age. Clinton done bar was actually undrafted and by the way. Both of the young men are from as you point out born and raised in Miami D. Andre Baker went to North Western high school. Quinton Dunbar went to booker. T. Washington in Miami. Then Quinton Dunbar went to Florida undrafted but obviously as a redskin rose to prominence and last year pro football focus rank Quinton Dunbar. The second best cornerback in all of Football. He was on the rise. He had just been traded to Seattle. And if I might if you'll give me just a second Shannon to open up my phone. Here's a text. I got last night from Rob Ryan. Obviously Rex's on the show a lot last year year ago. Rob Was the defensive backfield coach in Washington. So he knows Quinton Dunbar very well and he said this quote from an listen rob is a straight shooter. There's no bs in going on here. He said Quinton is a great kid. Very smart in studied all the time. He was the only one in the secondary that knew the opponent. I recommended him to a friend of mine in Seattle meaning to trade for him which they did and he said he was just entering his prime he reminded me of Nandi. Awesome law in again. Nobody failed once he got his money and went to Philly. We know that but there was a time an Oberlin. Nominee was considered a top cornerback. Okay so this stature. Yes D- Top. This is the stature. Were dealing with with Andrei and Clinton and then to your point. I don't know the exact details but it sounds like they lost a ton of money is reported seventy Grand One card game with these people in somebody's backyard and then they went back to the card game a couple of nights later and it's sales like we don't know the exact details in the truth here but it sounds like to your point. Let's get our money back. Maybe they think they got Gedin. I don't know and you know the rest of the story and evil eye. Witnesses says it looked like it was a plan robbery because a third accomplice came in in a mask so they don't have masks on their well known the accomplice don't know has a mask on and they had their three cars lambeau. Bmw WHATEVER THE MERCEDES. They had lined up outside like getaway cars so it's sales like they decided. Let's go get our money back. Don't know the details. Not Trying to convict him in the Court of public opinion but the point is it's just so wrong it. What are you thinking? You have your whole future ahead of your life here view and it's pretty good. It looks like I know. De'andre struggle last year and he got taken out of some games. But he's still he's he's a good young player and he was going to still do good things and he'd already made a whole. Nice Chunk of early twenty two year old money. You don't need this foolish pride foolish Macho McKee's Mo- whatever you WANNA call it and now look net nail. Now they're going to be taken into custody and God bless both of them but Shannon is just hard for me to process what what just happened because they both had so much to lose and they just might have lost it all so true. Skip thing when you did look and I. I didn't speak for me. I I when I go home to Glenville gamble with the guys but I would only. They were shocked. Leave too small for you. You'll need to go to this place with that place where they play. Pod I say boy I I don't know them. I say I know. Y'All I trust you guys. I don't trust them. 'cause I'm telling you as soon as they find. I'M GONNA come. I've got this. Everybody down is not worth it. I lose a couple of grand you got. I don't care I'll take you. We will go to the House. We will eat break. We'll talk about what we did in high school and I'm GonNa Laugh at all still gambling with people around the table out lending them money. Hold on how young people money you guys still at the table. Let's get I knew them. They borrowed money from me. Why pay US BACK IN MY SISTER? Liberty Liberty? The money was killed the relationship that I have with them. I'm not going somewhere that I'm unfamiliar with and Gamble. Because they cheat in pain get out of hand and then somebody going calm. You got a paper with big money skill. Somebody's GONNA come. You already know what to do. Lay Down I've seen situations like that. So no but skill you you gotta You. GotTa be gotTa Mercedes. You plan the. Nfl shot at seventy dollars a month because temporary timber rare moment. Jif could possibly La Lifetime of regret men. Don't put yourself in that situation man you in the NFL and not you. WanNa be boy. You want to go back and try to hit a lick because you lost your Outta your mother Shannon Shannon. You're in the pro football hall of fame in every you go back and you so is and fraternize with other hall of Famers. Entrust every one of them. No matter their color no matter their background. They all hit some work in the road. They all to take that one split-second wrong path. May Ryan wrong decision. That could have cost rial of you guys the hall of fame but fortunately everybody said No. I can't I can't do that no. I can't risk doing that. And you stay on the path that took you to the hall you end. You may continue. You just got five. You got six million dollars just last year and now you want to go hit somebody. Somebody just hit you up for seventy grand. You want to go back but I can't believe it can't what I was reading. I didn't believe it. I like this is a case of mistaken identity in the you here. Whip I witness after witness and they ain't got no mass you just two days before and then you come back. Boy You nasty. They lucky they look big. Catch the right people because skip. That could have ended tragically because normally when you have a backyard car gave. I don't know how they do it but let me tell you when you have backyard car game. When I grew up at two three people gather piece. Own a bleeding. No I got it now. Easy Way to wrap that one up as we wait for more details to come out regarding situation since the packers traded up to draft quarterback Jordan love. We haven't heard from Aaron Rodgers yet. Well that is about to change later today. Rogers is scheduled to speak at three eastern so Shannon as with you. What do you want to hear? From Aaron Rodgers today was overshadowed. Roger would be okay. Rogers. Everybody they gave by understands that while. I'm speaking today. And you WANNA know where we'll Aaron thinking feeling. I'm peed AFA the multiple. Just go pick another quarterback. How does he win this year? We one game from the Super Bowl. How does quarterback help was weird this year? I'M GONNA ask you such. You win catch passes. Can you run the Ball Kenny? Kenny Dr Receiver. No no a note with go. Get A quarterback anyway. But you know what I'm GonNa do. I'm here and I'm a ball now. I'll go to you know what I was. GonNa have one of my season and when I win that. Mvp give we go into the playoffs? I'm not worried about that but I won't everybody from top to bottom and you need to call your name. You know who you are if you were in on this decision. I want you to kill. What don't shy I'll go play. I'M GONNA ball out but I just want you. To know is not my job and get your love reading. I will not turn him away if he asked me a question. I will politely answer that question. If he needs anything from me. It's he comes to me. I will give him information. But if you think I'm inviting him over to my house if you will seem in the hallway and a brothers grabbed steady session. That's not happening. That's the coach's job. They get paid to coach. I get paid to play. I'm going to play my. You know what up but I take the you-know-what off. Y'All make me say. Oh y'all be right about my demise for the last five years I haven't been slowed down the least bit but you know what they have yet to ever draft receiver in the first round. They have yet to draft me tie in the first row but I keep making magic. I keep making chicken salad out of chicken. You know what and I will continue to do it. I'm going to have an unbelievable season this year. And you're gonNA look foolish because the only way he's GonNa play. Y'All have to get rid of me and you know what I can't say I'll I'll be disappointed if it did. Aaron that is simply the most profanity that never been uttered on undisputed and I hope the. Fcc gives us a break because Aaron said it Shannon. Didn't say Aaron said it. Remember Sec. Aaron smyers Yes. Yes you for once. I would love to hear Aaron Rodgers. Look in the mirror and deliver a painfully honest self analysis. That when something like I know I haven't played up to my standards the last year so I don't blame them for drafting Jordan love because they deserve to draft Jordan love. And now it's up to me to lock back in and to rededicate and to rise back to the level that I know I'm capable of playing at. That's what I wish. He would say he would say that today if he would show some humility then it would certainly shut me up because I have often called Aaron on this. Show the Lebron James of the National Football League. I've often said that. Aaron leads the League in finger-pointing blame deflecting diva nece. Because he is a diva and he is a thin skinned diva and he takes everything personally. But it's never his fault. It's always his receivers fault or his management's fault the truth is he has declined over the last three years. The truth is his. Qbr has fallen for each of the last three and his completion percentage has fallen for each of the last three. In the end you cannot condemn his management for taking Jordan love for trading up and taking him in the first round. Because they're going to need a quarterback. It appears sooner than later as Erin. Approach is aged thirty seven and a lot of people out there before the draft thought that Jordan love can turn into Patrick Mahomes. If that's true then they may or nice smooth and again. Aaron didn't get the receiver help in the first round in a very deep draft of receivers that that he deserved. I give you that much. But his play didn't merit it. His play is is getting dangerously average and in the end they have to sit back in management. And say we haven't been to super bowl and almost ten years so Aaron pulled off a miraculously wild-car road wildcard run to Super Bowl. That he won't over the Pittsburgh steelers and yet since then his plan for ECKERD is six and seven and many of those least. Five of those six were questionable. Playoff wins because one came against Joe. Webb came against Kirk cousins when he was really struggling in Washington another came in the DEZ. Caught it game at Lambeau win. Odell took his receivers to South Beach to get ready for the game. Up On the Frozen Tundra at Lambeau the playoff game and the giant stunk. It up in here and was able to take advantage of that and then obviously there was the mason crossbar game. That still haunts me Jerry World in which it took to Inter Galactic field goals of fifty one fifty six yards. I still don't know how they went over the crossbar but they did and it took those to save them from losing that game to tack and company so Aaron has not been great in the playoffs since the Super Bowl. Run and I can't argue with twenty ten and twenty eleven seasons but Shannon. We're in twenty twenty. We're heading toward twenty twenty one. It's been too long so it's time for era. Show a little bit of humility and show that the Jordan. Love Selection has religious fire. That's what I'd like to hear from him. My fire is it. I'm going to show you you food. Air Rogers doesn't that have a fire because he's not posting everything he's doing like Tom Brady. Tom Brady's and evacuated we're shoulder. Tom Brady's throwing passes so you automatically assume because he doesn't do that he's not ignited his fire? He doesn't have the passion like Tom Brady. But still what you didn't tell people that his losses he has a thirty seven point loss. They get home up did they. Give up thirty seven points of defense. Give them points last year in a championship game. They gave up forty four to Atlanta. They gave a fifty one year to marriage on a cargo. They gave up another thirty seven to like manning they gave up thirty two Arizona with overtime. Game Jersualem shoveled paths. That was like thirty point at some point in time. How give him some hill? How deep is one time? Tom Brady had imported playoff giving a thirty thirty points. Or more twice in the last eight years would you? He got overcome their well. I don't you guys should overcame. Give the forty one and the super bowl rights. 'cause that's what goes do goes overcome at birth. They overcome that what you tell me. What do your guy did do? Your guy couldn't go to fifteen in a playoff game last year. Thirteen little measly point what he couldn't get David. Fourteen Shannon. The Best Player on the packers last year was named Aaron Rodgers. It was Jones how that team won. Thirteen Games still makes me scratch my head and many of the sports books right now. Have the over under on. Packers wins this year at eight point five. Do the math eight point. Five is the over under on a team that won thirteen last year. Everybody's saying over rated fluky fluky Gabor was overrun on the cowboys. Nine Care Care and you would you keep saying he killed his number. His trust of the interception ratio his completion his qbr yard for was better than Tom. Brady and use their handle outstanding season. How Tom Brady? Outstanding season in Aaron Rodgers. Numbers are better than you've record. Wives completion percentage touchdown to interception. Qbr If if if Tom Brady had great season how did Aaron Rodgers had a were season would a record and number. That's typically are better than Tom Brady way. That would leave. I Will Tom. Brady did not have Davante Adams whose top five receiver Tom Brady last year did not have a Jimmy Graham. He had the worst collections of tied end in football. He did not have an Aaron Jones he had Sony. Michelle lost in Bella checks doghouse. Which left him with REX. Burkhead really I mean. Tom Had the worst weapons in football and had them in position against the dolphins in the final regular season game with yet another game winning fourth quarter comeback drive to win the two seed in the AFC sensational against huge odds and Aaron backed into what they did in the playoffs last year. I'm sorry he did have devante. Don't take that away from him and he did have Jimmy Graham. Still You keep saying. He had in position for the two seed. The loss of Miami did not out of the play. Offs engaged them the third theme which gave them a home game with. They wondered vision and Tom Brady Scoring. Fourteen points at home in the first half coach. Bela checks defense. Gave up fourteen points over sixty minutes over four quarter of the football. Because the other touchdown that Titan. They should've gave us to Tom. Brady hit low. Logan I ride Logan Ryan in the head with a big fix so called Bella gay fourteen point. No he had reported half to eighty dropped it. Your gas scored fourteen. Let's talk about that. He's four team points. Shannon Sharpe the hottest buzzsaw at the end of the year and pro football last year. Was the Tennessee. Titans the best team in pro football last year was the Baltimore Ravens. What happened to them in a home? Playoff game that titans had just as they happen. Beloved England so you ran into a hot team that had Kansas City on the roads for just a little while until the title forgot how to tackle Patrick Mahomes but but but New England got the Cooler Cool Moon. If you owe. Tom Brady Played Tom. Brady he you right. Brees up genie the the call them at article. 'cause he can call anything that's hot now. All of a sudden he's got fourteen point where bellinger defense gave up a touchdown. The live Dr to Ryan Patrick. What about Tom? Brady's going what about back right now. Right now. They're calling him. Tomba Bay and he's going to be hotter than Tampa Bay is in August book. It go come in. Scotch Eagle coming up this guy and he will give his mind so I flew rare and they book or you know he got he got a googly eyes anyway just paying pop a little bit they ray it steelers Opera Linebacker. James Harrison said that. Hey coach Mike. Tomlin handed him an envelope after delivering a hard head on a brown. Do seaver in one thousand ten arrison was initially find. Seventy five thousand dollars for the hit but it was later reduced to fifty thousand dollars. Harrison's agent has denied this guy's even steelers President Art Rooney is denying that this ever happened. Shannon. What's your reaction to the story from the all. Nfl oversee here. You go to me. They got the wrong address. And so I'm just had of in the ending it to you. Obviously this is not a good look because the way it's being portrayed that it was a it was a money for a hard hit with would be construed as a bounty and Sean Payton talked about this is like I love to see them this and you know so. It's not a good look for the steelers and this is why they're knocking down. The aging is tried to knock it down for me. James knows about he knows how this is. GonNa be construed. He knows this and this was over ten years ago so to bring this up in the NFL go back and look at this and might richer actively do something. Because there's precedent here you cannot pay. Someone asks out of their salary to injure to do something extra that outside of the scope of what you would normally get paid for it and still. They did away with about as they used to be. You come in you know. They were put out on anybody but put about it out on the Kicker for Dallas remember. He kicked off the shit. Knocked the dates so it would be a privilege you when I came into the League if what about people and that was the thing but they've done away with bad for James to bring that back up now I just don't see I just don't see the I I don't see a reason or what good could come out of that. Okay I hear that but you know James I know James because he's on our show a lot as a contributor. I like James Harris. I I believe in James Harrison in his insight into defensive strategy in mentality and him telling truths. I tend to believe this happened. I don't know that it had been but I don't think James Harrison would just flat out make it up it's biggest thing just to make up now. You can argue about. Why bring it up now? It does what good how why you got but remember. He's talked about that. Hit on massacre on our show before and he's made the point. That's sort of a bitter sweetly funny point that if I'd known I was GONNA get fined. Seventy five thousand for that hit. I wouldn't hit him with about fifty percent of what I had. He said he was just trying to dislodge. The football wasn't going after him was not trying to hurt him. In any way shape or form he actually said on the podcast that some receivers on other teams had come to him in pre-game warmups ups and said. Hey I'll shoot you a little something if you'll hit me up high instead of down. Low the receivers as you know Shannon being one yourself you most fearful of your knees at that point. Nobody cared as much about your head as you did about your moneymakers your knees. Your knee goes correct. You might be gone for good so that James is saying I. I'm trying to go higher for the sake of the receivers and he said on my daddy's grave. I hit massive Koi with about half of what I had to deliver. I was just trying to dislodge the football on a receiver run was like hitting a running back in the hole so right. He was shocked that he got fined. Seventy five which finally got reduced to fifty but he also said in the podcast that he had to go talk to the Commissioner in New York and along with him came the GM of the steelers. Kevin Colbert and James. Said he did know. Kevin Colbert that well. They haven't spent that much time around each other and he said he was shocked to find that. Kevin Colbert was to quote James. An assassin. That Kevin Colbert went after the commissioner even harder than James did to defend James in it and that remember Mike Tomlin. At the time there was no flag thrown on the hit so it went on fly and my. Tomlin said right after the game the he believed that was legal. Hit So love your. Gm is yeah. Kevin Colbert's fighting hard for you in the Commissioner's Office and now chronological story evolves. We're now he goes back to Pittsburgh. The fine sticks at I think is reduced to fifty and then he said the Jesus thing that that the coach coach Tomlin ever did for him was he comes up and says here. This is for you and again I. I didn't take that as a bounty. I'm taking it as we tried to find the front because we thought you within. Yeah they were just paying the fine would have been. I don't know if it'd be the fool fifty but maybe it would be half that I don't know but it was. I took it to mean they were paying the fine as you point out. That's also really because it's it's a salary cap violations. You can't just give players more money than the cap will allow so that's balance to. It's not as out of bounds as a bounty program so I'm not seeing bounty. I'm just saying we believe you were okay. You were in balance on this hit. So we're going to help you on this one. We're going pay a portion or all the fine whatever ended up being in remember Shannon. The irony of this was in the end. James and Mike Tomlin sell completely apart. Remember in two thousand seventeen. I think it was James. His third time around in Pittsburgh and he went back because he said Mike Tomlin promised him he play around half the snaps he said it was between forty and fifty percent that he was promised and he was playing. Some games didn't even dress so he would fake falling asleep in meetings and then he just if he didn't know if you weren't supposed to suit up he would just go home and watch the game on television and he was trying to act his way out of. Pittsburgh which finally happened so he doesn't have a lot of good things to say about. Tomlin which is why he said the Jesus thing that Mike ever did for me was way back in two thousand ten so I tend to believe it yesterday. Sean Payton said the. Nfl's not gonNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. He said don't hold your breath. They'll sweep it under the carpet. I it happened so long ago. I think they'll just look the other way. Obviously Art Rooney said that that very certain nothing like this ever happened okay. I don't know I just. I'm just GONNA stand my ground here to say I do believe in James and I don't believe he would lie about something like that happens that when you're telling a story and I do believe James could have decapitated because if you if you look at it a skill he was just ending their if he'd had it running star and put his helmet unethical wads chin. Oh actually been over for sure so he can hit it with his shoulder but because James has such a low centre ravaged. He's a big man but he's short so even even when magic while was Doug because he saw him at the last second. You couldn't get the blown if so James Comey borrowed from their scale and so I understand. He gave me like you said it. Could've it could've been like look. We fought for you and that was the thing if they go five for you. Even if it doesn't at least you fall for me Bro. Good at least I know I got you know. Put you in harm's way now it's like you undisputed. I can't put you on blast point one time L. Blew me no matter what we good go j j you got no matter what transpired between you and Mike Tomlin. At least at one point they thought for you ever remember. They gave you opportunity after opportunity. Now you stand on that being an all pro defensive player of the year but now you turn your back on them and put them in a situation now. I don't know gift. Maybe Roger Goodell call him a Kimber. Let me talk to you we know. How do you believe that happened now? Roger that you know we'll stand the organization. We would never do anything. I that's what I figured. Okay get out of here but you J. J. Clinton the steelers in a very uncomfortable situation. He Mike Tomlin Barry Tom comparable situation and when they back they gonNA ask him about this now. This might have happened here. We go and by the time the media get an opportunity to Mike Tomlin. It might be changed. But they're going to ask him about this. They will so look in the end. Do I believe it happened? I do? I don't know that is just my gut feeling knowing Jane's but it was wrong for him to bring it up because it does no good for anybody and you say it unfortunately puts everybody in a in a tough spot for trending story of the day sponsored by Kia's tough and ready lineup of all wheel drive. Suv's give it everything. Well the final two episodes of Michael Jordan's documentary the last dance air this Sunday. I do not want this to end but Shannon. What do you want to see them? Both episodes nine and ten. Oh what do you WanNa see a baby bonus track about the washing today day to you? The Washington have a right you. He did Brain Scottie. Pippen now if I'm not mistaken was he older roster ninety four so I'm trying to figure how does anything from nine hundred ninety four season? How does that make the last dance only Jamaica Scottie? Pippen look bad because he wouldn't go in and take the take a impact the ball into Toni. Kukoc TO TAKE TONI. Kukoc to take the shot. How did that make the last day what they gotta do? It might might leave it. There probably within Birmingham. Somehow that made that made it so I just WanNa see somebody a bonus track see what it would like your Washington easy because they would be happy to go. See to see play now in all honesty all seriously. All jokes aside. I don't really know what I'm looking for. I want to know how he's obviously. The last shot is going to be in there. But I just WANNA know so we've seen the maturation of Mike and we've seen the behind the scenes of how he got motivated. St Saying we've just it would just motivation. It was hard motivation. It could be construed as bullying. I don't really know where it's going to go now skip. I really don't other than the last shot. Which that's your favorite moment in sports history. 'cause you purchasing you. Purchase that photo to see Michael Jordan. Hold that poll. You probably got him decided to. I bet you did. I bet you got undecided but now you know so I really don't. I really honestly all honesty scale. I do not have any idea what these last two episodes is going to encapsulate. Because you've got to our and basically if the Bible shot so I don't know where we're going from here okay to your first point semi serious. Yes he did. Come back after three years. The last three years of his prime ages thirty five thirty six and thirty seven. He did not play basketball. Why I don't know that's where I'd like to hear but he did come back. This is the last dance. This is about the nineteen ninety eight season the final one in Chicago but four years later he came back at age thirty eight and thirty nine to Washington. He played okay. He wasn't in the best shape. He did smoke too many cigars. At that point he averaged twenty three and six the first year and twenty six the second year. It wasn't pathetic but it wasn't pretty but the point is he had three. Yeah he had his moments here and there but whatever this is about ninety eight this is about how it ended and why it ended and began. I was there in ninety eight as the columnist Chicago Tribune and what was often perplexing to me was. Michael spoke a lot to the media without really speaking. He was the master of show and he could say a whole lot without saying much of anything unless you really backed him into a corner with a pointed question as I did about Michael Phil keeps saying that. It's a done deal. You're just going to quit if when he has to walk out the back door and Michael said that's feels opinion. That's when I had some hope. Okay maybe Michael isn't going to just go with fill out the back door. But the point is he's rarely spoke in his heart on. What really happened so Shannon. I'm hoping that that we get to see that guy who's now kicked back. Anat easy chair in these interviews. And he's got a little little something is glass and they keep filling it and I want him to so to speak. Let his hair down. I know he doesn't have a lot of air left. But whatever's let it down. Let us see what's inside. You let us here on the basketball court. What happened in the? What's called the flu game? The classic game at Utah and the ninety seven finals led us here. What was in your heart soul? Mind against the Pacers it Shannon. I was there a covered. All seven of those games in the conference files ninety eight. It was a hell late contest between a team coached by Larry Bird. Who was the coach of the year in the NBA? That year and the Star was as you know. Reggie Miller but it was deep in talent and firepower rick. Smits the to Davis's obviously Chris. Mullin Jalen Rose Travis. Best a Mark Jackson. It was a loaded basketball team. That 'cause Michael and company a whole lot of problems. The home team won all seven games of that series including the Bulls winning game. Seven eight hundred eighty three at home. It was not down drag out. Reggie says that the Pacers we see the previews for what's coming up in episode nine. Reggie says that the Pacers just better than the Bulls. He might have been right about that. Except for that. One guy on the Bulls and then we come to the last shot at Utah. And I've told you Scotty was sick before the game. And then he wrenched his back on her early wide open dunk and he was virtually useless. The rest of the game scored eight points in that game. Michael scored forty five while the whole rest of the team scored forty two so what? What's going on in his head during that game because they were pretty sure they wouldn't have Scotty through a potential game seven Utah so it is Michael saying it's do or die now. I have to make this shot on Brian. Russell I gotta go steal the ball source from call Malone I gotta close the deal now because we might be able to close it and game seven. I WanNa hear that and finally as we talked about to start the show. Shannon I WANNA hear. Does he have any regrets for not going to Jerry REINSDORF and saying? Hey let's make a deal. Let's compromise here. I'll stay. I Know Phil and Jerry or do not advise them. The bridges burned. I get it. They can't coexist anymore. So give me a made man give me Doug Collins. Back is my my coach next year. Don't give me Tim Floyd Jerry. Krause had fallen in love with Tim. Floyd he's a nice guy. Got To know tim very well the next year but Tim was a rising college basketball coach. Done really well at New Orleans and then at Iowa state they'd gone to three straight double as he was a fine young coach. Who was the disaster? The next three years without Michael and got fired in the fourth year so the point was Michael said give me somebody with some NBA experience. Who I respect. I'll come back for two more years. Well I want to know Michael. Talk about that episode ten on Sunday night. I WANNA know I WANNA ear it from the goats melts what happened. Why did it happen your rights? That would be interesting if he will reflect back and say you know what one of my biggest regrets is that I did not go talk to Jay arrived or and I did not get him to try to change my own bringing bringing field back. Still Look we look. It's hard for me to believe Jerry Reinsdorf in Bill Jackson. They don't have to communicate communicating about game. Playing your officers in one corner of now than the other and so we don't have to get a low. Just hey you you get the players. The contract all that stuff. Let Bill were with the team. You guys stay out of each other's hair so that's the way it's going to be so yeah it'd be interesting if he's going to be that reflective but I go of. Michael is the goddess. Have any regrets about anything that I've done in my career is basketball wise? Skip that that was the thing that would be something that I would like to hear. Does he likes me. What could have been like? I said I believe Jerry. Reinsdorf shoe allow someone outside of the Organization. Crumlin within two this thing out if the pace of big somebody Utah or whomever Antonio if somebody beats I got no problem with that but don't method now so that's going to be blue game. Yeah and also remember this. I think he was like episode. One Jerry Reinsdorf so on camera for the documentary saying Jerry. Krause told me that in ninety eight the team had gotten too old so krause said convinced. Reinsdorf who also own the white sox and didn't have that much rocus on the Bulls. He just lead Jerry. Krause run that basketball operation but the point is Jerry Krause Convinced Jerry Reinsdorf. Did the team was too old so Jerry. Krause get started over and showed that he could win without Michael Jordan Baloney Shannon. Look at the ages of the players. It was not too old Scotty was thirty. Two Rodman was thirty six but he was a below. The Rim rebound. He's still had basketball left in him. Ron Harper winter. One tumor rings as a starter for the Lakers. And then we go all the way down the roster. Toni Kukoc from twenty nine six man of the year. That team could've come back for two more years. I believe it would have been favored to win the next two championships. I believe it would have. Who knows if it would? I don't know would. They have gotten hurt. Would they have broken down? Would Michael run out of sort of psychological gas? Maybe but I really believe that team was physician to win two more championships or at least get to the fight of you like them. You like them over San Antonio FANTONI ONEAL TO DAVID. David got it. Yeah is given up. I forgot about the blue game. I think the thing is we look at Mike. He has such iconic moment know he had the blue game he had the last shot off ninety eight. He had the acrobatic layup in his first. Nba Finals get so he has that you will never ever forget because you'll remember where you were because you remember. Scotty helping them out the court and he's sitting down and sit down he applauds down. You remember that you remember him holding you remember him. Having the ball turned out the ball and his right hand did all the studies. Eight nine go do that. I won't do so you remember that. It's just that the Lomas. Oh Connie that you'll never forget. You know. Even though he he was great all the time he had some movie. That you've start one out of the bath getting three people around him in somehow he lays the ball up and gets POW. He has moments. But it's moments in game that you will never ever forget you know it. Sounds like you're making the case. He was the goat. And isn't the goat. Go skilled there you go. I think why why you do I get. I'd get a man credit. I got out of bed. Probably a hundred grand on Jordan shoe. And you've got people out here convinced. I pay me all the money back so I could really hate or do I need all the money back. But he joins. I got what I need you guys to do. The for you know all right. Let's get back to talking some football because pro. Football focus release all decade team top one hundred and one players topping the list. Was Tom Brady followed by Aaron? Donald and drew brees to round out the top three. The next quarterback on the list was Shannon's guy. Aaron RODGERS DOWN AT NUMBER SIX SHANNON. Got a problem with this agree. Yeah got a big problem. Big Problem I don't see how says also scenario with you reach and be ranked ahead of Roger. Skip if you look at it. Aaron Rodgers have they super bowl super bowl. Mvp and two regular season MVP INVIS- decade drew. Brees DOES NOT SKIP playoffs. Drew brees is four and six air of tenant. Seven degrees has twenty one touchdowns ten inception Air Roger. Thirty six and eleven and if you look at the championship game loss get two thousand nine hundred. Thirty seven points to the forty niners. Two Thousand Sixteen. Report the Falcons and we know what happened in overtime against the adult. They've failed appeal to kick. So if I just look at it and I understand that drew brees had the numbers. But he's throwing the ball over a thousand more times but Aaron Rodgers dating this decade and the seven to nine a pro bowl appears air. Rogers missed a half or two season. But if you look at what they accomplished. Rogers has six division. Titles Rees has four. You Look at the Super Bowl appearance you look at. Nfc Championship game appearances. Best four to one Roger Favor so I'm surprised that drew breathe is so much higher than Aaron Rodgers. Another one that I thought it was like but then when you look at his. Jj Watt. I think what happened to. Jj Step is that he started off like gangbusters but if you look at over the last three or four years. He's kind of been nick. He's missed a substantial amount of time and I think was passed him so I was a little surprised. Would I be disappointed if? Jj Watt would have been a little higher. No but I understand what they took into account because the last three years three or four years. He's missed a lot of times injury but the biggest problem that I have is with Aaron Rodgers. Being way below drew brees. Wait a SEC in our living room. Here eligible rule. Tom Brady is number one on this list. European Aaron Rodgers is sixth. You have repeatedly told me the greatest thrower of the football. The greatest ever is Aaron bleeding. Rogers you have told me. He is transcendent that he is considerably. He has been better than Tom Brady. So why didn't you go right to the top of the list and say Aaron Rodgers should not just be above drew brees? He should be above Tom. Brady you did not say that because I don't think you really believe that. Skip SKIP IN THIS DECADE. Brady has been the five super bowls. He's one free. His numbers speak for itself mistake. They won the division every single year. Skill Tom Brady deserve to be the quarterback in this decade. That was not. I've made my point. The problem that I have is drew. Brees it three Aaron Rodgers at six I believe should be reversed. I stand by that so you try to bring them. We're not talking about Brady. See You always one. Without Deflect America Shannon. Sharpe just admitted that Tom Brady is better than Aaron. Rodgers. It's over. He has lost the basketball gold argument and the football goat argument in the same week. It's over for Lebron James. It's over for Aaron bleeping Rogers if I might. I read just a couple of lines from the capsule on pro football focus on Tom Brady ranked number one. He has a single season grade pro. Football has ever given a quarterback that was back in twenty sixteen. That's not that long ago. He has the greatest four year. Stretch pro football focus has ever-graded that was from. Twenty fifteen to twenty eight eighteen. That's not that long ago and pro. Football Focus says. Tom Brady defines clutch. I've been trying to tell you that. For four years in the fourth quarter and overtime he still has the highest pro football focus grade of the decade and beyond that as great as he's been in the clutch he's been doing it without making many mistakes. That's what truly makes him. Special says pro football focus. I know the stats can be hard to swallow to sort of. Let it compute but think about this. Tom Brady in the decade had by grade. Only one hundred twenty four. What are called turnover worthy plays? That's out of six thousand one hundred fifty one. That's two percent of his plays in the decade were termed by pro football focus turnover worthy. That's outrageously low. That's by far the best. That's why he is the unquestioned. Vote of the National Football League. Which brings me to sixth ranked Aaron Rodgers. It makes the Point Shannon. And I'll give you this late. Twenty ten all of twenty eleven. Aaron Rodgers was sensational. He made a case for about a year and a half that he was goat but that was a long time ago and that was the end of Air Rogers as you knew and loved him and pro. Football Sunday concludes in its capsule on Aaron Rodgers. What holds him back from the very top of this list is that he just couldn't sustain that level and over the past few seasons has sunk deeper and deeper into a Rut of some bad habits. That's pro football. Because that's not me so they are. Validating what I've told you he's been in decline over the last three seasons. Lots of bad habits they grade ever and lower on pro football focus. Will you better ask something smart? Because I think you're in trouble though a number in trouble I'm glad appropriate bogus his out. But they just didn't start playing quarterback in two thousand fifteen through two thousand eighteen. So it'd be interesting to see if they were to gray some Peyton manning years someone Dan Marino years and so we could see if those are cob are to Tom. Brady's they did they did. And then the end in a decade who turned the ball over Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers and the decade is a civil question. Yes the session. Who had more interceptions Tom Brady? Or Aaron Rodgers Simple question. It wasn't a statement. Look I got gotTa simple answer. They have a chart on both focus. You can look it up over the decade. Tom Brady had by far. The fewest turnover. Worthy plays Aaron Rodgers. To your point was second on that list but by far the Brady terminal workplace place. I'm talking about turn over. I'll talk about smelling the donor. I'm eating doughnut now. Where did you got a doughnut? Smell the donuts guilt Betas win guy turned it over. No most? Sometimes you throw one to the other team in the other team Dr Interception. That happened on your skill based here. Did you eat of the heat down where you know what I wanted to make state last night with some baked potato and Yada Yada? Why did you keep telling me some time? Utah to the guy. He's drops it. Did he have more interceptions than Aaron? Rodgers a simple no or simply yard. Jedi cannot treat a witness as a hostile witness. Mac Avenue the Tom Brady had the fewest turnover worthy. Plays pro football focus. This is their list and they ranked Aaron Rodgers six because fell off after twenty ten slash eleven case closed in involvement game over. If I'm not mistaken so he fell off much that he won the MVP in twenty fourteen. Hey Gabe years accounts in this decade. Play up the twenty two hundred twenty eleven but yet he wanted the MVP or twenty four. So how did it follow up well a lot? The last three years in fact it fell off so much. They decided penalize him all the way down to six on the list and they admitted what holds them back from being at the very top of the list is he just couldn't sustain Shannon. You're clinging to the past you're holding onto what used to be and screaming before your very eyes is the fact that Aaron Rogers has not been very good over the last three years and even last year he was eighteen. Qbr and twenty-third completion percentage. That will sly. That's not going to make you number one in the decade. Still but if you look at it like that that's like you. Same boat fell off okay. Because he doesn't run nine five eight and he won the Olympic tonight eight. Oh usually what he fell off. He's not say well no. He's not. He's still winning you. I mean you compare to that when you compare it to those historically great even the likelihood of somebody going forties forty five and six skill Komo now. What if that's the case? Tom Brady pillow because he's never had another season in which went fifty eight so we fell out if you hold if you hope home to that mythical season five thousand fifty touchdowns thirteen years session if you judge him by that. You're GONNA say he fell off New Judge. Peyton manning about fifty five and ten in. He doesn't have fifty four hundred Dr. Yeah he fell off skip come. Oh he's still had better numberth last year than Tom Brady and he fell off and Tom Brady still played the hot clip. I can't understand. I just don't know how a guy has more judge. Dow You're innocent better completion for a better. Qbr BETTER YARD FOR A. He fell off but the guy that he had better numbers than is feel fallen on. So I ask you one last simple question simple yes or a simple no should aaron rodgers be ranked above. Tom Brady at number one on this list. Shannon Sharpe Simple. Yes or no no due to the attorney for me. I have the right to the pit the memory protection so I use my God. Yup Game Taste closed. The Rams New logo and now new uniform has been met with some public backlash some of that coming from rams legend and friend of the Eric Dickerson. Who JOINS US now? Eric it is so good to have you routier undisputed. We're so glad to have you with us. But I gotta ask Eddie you a little critical of the new logo of the uniform. Tell us why would they be calling? You know call in you know went to the I bet and Innocent be honest and thought the logo a logo was was indicative of the Los Angeles Wayans and then they took the same thing. The uniforms are or the uniforms. This is the history of the lambs forest. The whole they came in one thousand nine hundred and sixty first team in Los Angeles on into so johnny with the full box. Will I mean I'll uniforms Joan fearsome foursome? You think about it slater all great players and it's almost taken away the history of the Los Angeles rams and understand the with the codes. I think the main thing I just asked him why would you? Why would you on and then asked us? After the fact I'm Marcia Marcia Clark was on the call and more guys the question he said anything and goodness someone else to take credit. We'll do we look to. Do we blame for this and it was a gallon college so well. I guess you blame me on a sense it say so. What did you talk to former players current players about the logo and a uniform? Does anybody know what we talked to two office? Talk to women which is fine in the in the office. We didn't talk the player me. That just didn't make sense. Why does after the fact I mean although an interesting I want to thank you for the name the embassador because I really think of the name I I take it from. My Band is one of about their football team. They'll go out actually skill for you. Would it was took the star of The Dallas convoy? Since we've said Mary I did give you that nickname because you do live and die. Fear Rams So. I must admit when I read your remarks from your radio interview. Yesterday I was shocked that you publicly condemned these uniforms but I did not know that they had sought your approval. Well they'd already decided that it's all in order that that you didn't really get any input they'd already decided this is the way it's going to be so. I was shocked at how critical you were because you still work with and Ford. The team and yet you weren't really consulted before they released the new uniform so now. I have sympathy for you and I'm on your side. At first I was shocked. The hypercritical of this but they didn't really ask your opinion until it was too late right exactly. I asked him when when they showed US showed them to us. I said okay. Can THEY CHANGE THEM INTO? Who Don't like him. It's not changing them. Ask You know they would've asked me what I would have seen it this. Let's let's make this fun. Let's elway bringing some great artists that we have in Los Angeles and let's take the tufty the top therm the top twenty top Sam by and the topics who've been topic on this this to take those calls arteries and say we're GonNa let you take our logo work we should take our yelled. And and we're GONNA leave you say fifty thousand season tickets was so great in. La when our fans the fans were ended. I mean you talk to the fans they said the thing is we'd like the caller why mess with the I mean it doesn't look like all the guy on the phone. I said. This doesn't look like a horn anymore. I mean you know time I'm this time of the past. An enclave on the pass is time Jalen Ramsey towns and probably the worst time but I still think that woman was on is an iconic piece of the Los Angeles Rams Football Team that we've lost that I do like the colors is so I need you to get married. Aaron Donald Jersey Autograph. I appreciate that sort of problem that you have if that Bay they tinker with the Horn because it looked like they broke the horn. It's not a single horn is like to have horns that's not connected so they would have just left the hornby intact. Bring new colors brighter colors. You would have been okay with that. You just have a problem with the horn being have on. Not a complete on one hundred percents. Yeah that's my problem. That's the problem with all of the fans. 'cause Mike The Shield shoulder a little bit wider ram curve living. Wow that's not my article on on the hill and why mess with the understood elected. That's a no no no. That was my main issue and said they asked us this the wanting it was after the see. I don't take any change you know. We're not saying okay. So they basically yeah took everybody on the com- groups to home was all pretty much the same so eric while we have you you did. Bring out my cowboys. Were haven't been able to get your opinion of how the deck contract stalemate will play out. How do you see it ending? Good or bad will also be this month soon online. Jerry Jones you know and I was the COBB was not a cobweb and feel like when you when you hear the details of all the opposite of off. It's great about a guy who was found and I'm not saying I think is is in your rape. Water Office is Great. And it's like it's for the Dallas Cowboys going. GonNa make so much more than off. The field is look at Tony. Romo only eighteen million dollars a year. You know at the college football so about you argue over another and I'm not. It's not my money five and ten million dollars but jeering then kind of only okay. I'm Asia Faira offer very fair and you don't WanNa take it. We'll just step back and they were just saying look. We're going to know what anti say fifty million dollars and we'll put that someone defects and help you you playing with fire. Because I mean being a cowboy and I hate to say this new as a great great value and being doubt and then the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. You of all people should know avid having hailed twice living it late. You wanted to arrange because you felt you want what you deserve. They thought they would give you fair market value for money you will live. You will never get la and you end up going indie you talking about the Alabama Dallas. Now be here all at least not the player and I don't want to do this by how spinach being a quarterback of the Dallas Cowboy quarterback in the New York Jets Cincinnati. Being to be leaders. And we know that. I'm not telling. The mayor wants to do but ours is and I said look look at this very close and think about this because let's see Particularly and in the end he does son Steven John Green author. That's enough and we just leave it at that. We go Kirkland Minnesota and so Shannon Sharpe you realize that time that you're talking about Eric Dickerson. Had established himself as the best running back in all pro football he was dominating the lead and he was a sure fire first ballot hall of. Famer by the time that he was at his contractual stalemate with his team. So that's a whole different situation than a still young quarterback who is one into in the play offs. Nobody considers Dak Prescott even a top tin quarterback yet. Maybe he'll come to to prove that at some point but again as Eric says the author on the table of thirty six million a year with maybe one hundred ten million guaranteed is more than fair. But he understand. Ed Haven't played and understands contract. Contract is not what they're reading written to be. How much of that? Money is fully guarantee that not injured protection. Not if I'm on the roster at the start of the New Year because we've seen them start started the new year start cutting player agag early target and all that money guarantee targe earlier in Atlanta. You see what happened to linen fluent in Chicago talking about money for the New Year skip. I'm talking about money. That's fully guarantee when I signed my name. How much money am I getting? E D know how that work is basically the money that I'm going to get no matt come hell or high water. I'm they'll be able to put that money in my pocket and I think they keep if thirty five million and we're GONNA with guarantee. How much is fully guarantee of air? Rodney got about seventy nine million. Russell Wilson got about seventy million. How much of that is fully guaranteed? Okay Eric Dickerson. While we still have you. Let's go one last direction. You have called Tom Brady here on undisputed an old ask. The old man is now a Tampa Bay buccaneer. You have not been able to weigh in here on the show. How Will Tom? Brady's bucket ears do next year. Well with Tom Brady you always Evanston. Don't get the coastal areas. But you know can play in that offense can. He pushed the ball down. Field get can get a boost. Ahrends office you need a little bit. More time rate is forty years old uncle. Tom Brady Brady's forty two years on these guys would stand. Those can stand the play. You Know Tom Brady is not known for that. You know he's having leisure to sit back in the pocket personally. I think the box would do okay. I mean they have some weapons over there for sure. The office is pretty good. I'm not sure that the back because this is solid but you know. He's Tom Brady. He has with him also in a thousand red zone situations because it pretty tight him. But you know he's placing whether it's kind of like Lebron James. Wherever he goes they gotTA HEAD. You Championship. Lebron goals where he went to Cleveland. You Fall Championship. He goes to Miami About Championship. Tonight Lakers Championship. That's the way he can swing the pendulum of power with the the thing he did. I agree within. This is what I've been telling skip if you look at Bruce Arians opposites bear about pushing the ball down the field. Can he get Tom Brady to hold the ball nor longer than even normally and take unnecessary risks that? Tom Really never took in his previous office. Because if you look at James they put James and a lot of situation. That James is really reckless. What the Pope Paul. But they asked him to do things that they a order for you to be successful long term. You can't put the ball in harm's way like bruise area wants you to Tom. Brady is going to go twelve and four next year and you guys are going to happen to eat a lot of undisputed fried crow with with give give you do hold. I imagine the Super Bowl in Tampa if Tampa Bay the Super Bowl. I know goodwill will take down to Tampa Bay. I can't live with you. I'd say I know that Bill. No no no so. It's been a pleasure to have you on. We can't wait to get you back in the studio. We hope to be back in the studio soon and it will be much easier for me to school. Both you and Shannon say face then by Zuma's not trying to do right now. We'll reading a little bit after. Say Eating you definitely have the best backdrop. I'm sorry you win. What does that up there on the show? We will see you back hopefully in studio student minute perkins is siding with Lebron and the goat. Debate perk tweeted a side by side. Comparison Lebron having averaged more points rebounds assists and a higher shooting percentage in his last three finals losses. The Jordan had in his last three finals win so Shannon. Does this prove lover? Odd is go go the great job of highlighting kind of what I try to do. But I think the thing is ginny people again. And they chose them aside and they're not moving out that side of these are very compelling compelling numbers when you look at it he's averaging more points three and a half more points five rebounds five more and shoot a higher for Senate and he's losing these Games but I forget the being of looking at the other day the twenty fifteen sixteen and seventeen are ranked the highest opponents that either Michael or Lebron could possibly played Bible the talk seven that might they graded the teams but teams that Michael Play in the team. That Lebron play Lebron had five hundred seven. Now Mind you the twenty eighteen. The second year that Kevin Durant there they did he make now we know what Kevin Durant represents. That team did not even make it. Let Rica for just a second so another words. Lebron James and pilots competition has faced tougher up on this one Michael Jordan. He loved all these dasm bag that he loved the point out I just warning out stats and facts of what the what these articles that. Lebron James Competition and final have been tougher than magic of Michael Jordan in final. I mean I don't really know what you can ask. Commanded do a man average is thirty five Levin and ten and and he's Ludovic. I don't really know what else what you're GONNA ask a man to do skill. I really don't the article in question was on the website. Five thirty eight. That's what you read. I read that analysis correct. The overall premise was Michael. Jordan's playoff opponents were tougher than lebrons playoff opponents. That's because in Michael's Day. The east was the beast and Lebron's Day the east was the least. He had just easy pass. He had superhighways to the finals. I will give you that. Golden State was the toughest files opponent. Either Lebron or Michael Ever had to contend with I give you that but remember spurs remember. Lebron had his biggest meltdown against the Dallas Mavericks who were ranked by five thirty eight. The easiest finals opponent. Either Lebron or Michael Ever play the Twenty Eleven Mavericks Easiest Finals Opponent and the Chosen. One became the frozen one in that series. Michael never melted down in any series of any round of the playoffs. So now let's go back to Kendricks idea his panel that he put up on his twitter. It's so misleading because it's a bunch of Phony Baloney here's what's not included in those numbers and Kendrick. It was a nice try that you've failed again to make Lebron the goat he's the phony goat rated. Pg Here's why in the Final Bulls three peat. They played Seattle. Utah AND UTAH. The games were played. Much more physically. Then in the scores were far lower. The Lebron Golden State scores so are far more points to be scored against Golden State. Because it's more run and gun against Seattle and Utah here. The that average scores of those finals against Utah. Ninety three to eighty nine with the average score the first Utah Series the files. The files. That average funnel was eighty-seven then in these three peat finals against Utah. The average was eighty eight to eighty. So all the scores are down in the eighties. But guess what so the average score of those three peat finals for Michael? The second three peat was ninety two eighty six. He scored thirty five percent of the ninety points. Now you look at Lebron against Golden State. The average score of all three of those finals was one twelve to one. Three many more points scored by both sides. Lebron scored thirty four percent of those points. So Michael Thirty. Five percent of his three P. points and they won a Lebron thirty four percent of more points scored and they lost. They lost in six then in five and then in soar. They got swept Req- killed. But this is what. I don't understand why you never make that now. We're Tom Brady that. They don't attack the quarterback the why received more freedom. They throw the ball more. No no no I just WanNa know because every all you do is talk about whether the pace the style of pace Lebron. They're getting more shots. So this is why his number but you do that for Brady. You know what I'm saying. They don't attack the quarterback like they did in the seventies eighties nineties. You Donald say they cut and grab the receiver and the receiver. They're the defenders receiver. And they call you. Don't make that argument. All you do is highlight. What Tom Brady is doing? But every time I give you numbers about Lebron you try to highlight. Why he's doing it. You won't just give him credit. Say May this guy is great. He played unbelievable. You always try to find a caveat you try to find reasons to why again our audience is hip to Shannon Sharpe. They get it that. When he's losing an argument he always has to change the subject so all of a sudden owned the run with some cold hard facts and you say what about Tom Brady. This isn't about Tom Brady. This is about Kendrick Perkins trying to make a weak case a lame taste. That Lebron is better than Michael because some bogus stats misleading. For Analog with ROB would have made sure rick so in other words. Lebron James is really not scoring thirty five points to thirty five. Thirty five twelve assists or not. Is it ten rebounds? I just need to know if it is it that you know okay. Look I give you that. Scores higher scoring more points. I also gave you this if you remember. I've said this many times on spirit in twenty fifteen the greatest three games. Lebron is ever played his playoff lights games. One two and three of the twenty fifteen the first files against Golden State before they had Kevin Durant Lebron had lost Kevin love before the final started. He Lost Kyrie in overtime of game. One and what did he do? He put that team on his back and carried them to a two games to one lead with game sore in his house in Cleveland. If you win that game I'm going to be backed into a corner because you're going to be on your way to the greatest seat of your career. You by yourself are on the way to beating Golden State was Steph and clay and Draymond and for that matter and what happened in Game Four. Lebron spit the MIT or swallowed the bid on small his own house. He Shot Seven for twenty two that game. He went five of ten from the free throw line any disappeared and everybody told me back on. I take oh it just ran out of gas well. Odi is the latest athlete in Sports. That's all I ever hear Warburg George. He was running out of gas at the last laugh. Repeat which we say that my you dislike anything. Michael said there eighty one Michael say one way to TAP BAZ? Why he took time off. He was running out again. Would he say it? Call Him so he ran out of gas chain. Took all your behalf. All Happened Happen Kim yesterday did it have in. I want you to know that. I'm not saying that. Seattle or Utah in the last three. Pete were Golden State but they were really good basketball teams because Seattle that year had the second best record to the Bulls in ninety six when the Bulls were since Asia they went seventy two and ten and Seattle was one sixty four games and we're best in first best obviously in the West and then Utah was the second best record in ninety seven and then Utah tied the Bulls Ninety eight for the best record. So don't tell me. They weren't quality opponents. There was nothing underdog about either of those teams. They were really tough minded very good. Well coached basketball teams skill. If you don't mind me asking blazers how many hall of famers did it have on the Blazers? How many did they have on Seattle? And how many DID THEY HAVE ON UTAH? You'll mind me asking Clyde Drexler. One SEATTLE GARY PAY ONE UTAH to stock into below. Okay let's go to the Spurs. They got four. I have four. Tony Parker Monitor Nobly Tim. Donkey KUWATA winner. That's right skip that a lot as you always. Tell me that Tony Parker and Monir completely overrated there Broccoli. And they don't belong. They told me talk. Have to you to stop their first of all. You know Tony Parker going to the hall of fame because he would finals. Mvp models going to the hall of fame because those ring and if an international play he led Argentina to the gold medal. Going to two-time different player of the year to zero BP. Tim Duncan with write in top. He was writing the head of shacking Kobe. So Stop Stop here right now and go to four hall of Famer. A highlight of CD leeann returning upon high has gone viral. Where he makes several defenders before scoring a touchdown so Shannon theonest here? How impressive this from one to ten zero so you mean to tell me. Janney. There's a wide receiver a skill position player in the NFL. A wide receiver tidy and running back or defensive back. That didn't have an impressive playing high school out. Here you got to the NFL. Everybody plays like this. This is not unique. We're talking about this. This skill Henry had one game at high school in which he rushed for fewer than two hundred yards. So all the game between two hundred and five hundred and we're talking about port return. It's kept US Seymour. Impressive retards than college and the NFL. Highest COOL GIVE OUT NO. You're not impressed by this. Please tell me skill leave. Tell me you're not impressed by this. Leave Filming Shannon. You could already see it coming in high school. He could make you miss. Lord have mercy. I told you he's got wiggle as you see demonstrated. Look look at the make you mrs in this one wiggle plus power. I told you that he plays faster and plays quicker than even he was tied. He's very special as run after catch. I believe he will also return some punts. I don't know maybe even some kickoffs but definitely punts for the Dallas Cowboys. I told you the day after the draft he will change life in Dallas. And this early glimpse of what you're going to see next year I know is just high school. But that's pretty special. I've watched it seventy five times. Now Seventy six seventy seven. I can watch the rest of the day because I'm going to get you shit. Live this fall. Skip every player in the. Nfl was special in high school. You could see it coming. There's not one player in the NFL. Bill was not special in school. You didn't stop giving you a ridiculous. I can't believe you I really I wouldn't eh. I love it. Take me on ice called no way or making those big plays at guys. Enjoy the end of the last dance. Have a good weekend. We'll be back Monday.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 1) How bad did Jerry Krause want to dismantle the dominant Bulls?

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 1) How bad did Jerry Krause want to dismantle the dominant Bulls?

"Good morning everybody. Hope you're off to hand. Start on your Tuesday. How you guys doing out there. I ban tastic. That's a good answer keys. And he's singing right out of the Chute. That's good news key. It is music looked calm is like the mid eighties and I'm flying in my convertible down. Pch Drugs front-seat night. Even the back in the front seat you couldn't put those in the trunk or something knows to drugs in the front seat down. Pch convertible car mad at the world but excited at the same time. What are you mad about everything that was going on in Santa Monica before I hit back? Drivers think he's mad because he's in a convertible and it's drugs but the play out the car flying so fast that you think it's only one person in the car but it's really too and then the cops pulled me over and they find out his second person key. I think you've got to forget this whole sports broadcasting. Then you gotta go to work like right movies or something because you have very acute imagination about this scenario with the music and the cars and the setup the fact that you have a a A conflict in Santa Monica. That's leading you drive past. You basically wrote the movie in your head. You just gotTa put a piece of paper. Maybe you've seen those movies with a guy is in the car convertible and he's a party boy. He's got some girl in a car but you can't see her and she they're flying. They're doing all sorts of illegal activity gets pulled over right on ridged cop pulls up. He looks up. He's like Oh okay. Loans are Molly Ringwald and one of those John Hughes movies. Listen little this little P. and G. I. Feeling keys movie would be at least. Pg Thirteen maybe are. I don't think he's going to John Hughes route thirteen twenty yesterday like in Fourth Twenty. I feel so good. You Celebrated Law Day of the listen. I wrote a stop celebrating Holidays Easter. Like he wasn't nothing and idea for twenty like he was something you know much about four twenty yesterday's the first time I heard it and that's because I'm in house in I'm not watching the depressing news so I'm not really you know I'm not in a car. I'm not hearing the radio usually just watching television. This is the first time that I if four twenty this is the first time I heard about it. Well I have a four alarm set on my calendar. Starts Regan starts ringing on the seventeenth to make. Sure your supplies so you don't get too low. I just think it's funny. You say that about the four twenty part but he didn't have the news on anybody out. There is just looking to take a break for a day. That is a really good place to start is. Don't look at the news APP on your phone. Don't turn on the TV just the day. We all need to be informed and whatnot but taking the day off from that is not a bad idea man. I took a day off for sure. I walk the dogs and I was just thinking you know I was thinking to myself as walking the dog. I've been watching that. You know I just. I can't I couldn't do. I couldn't do. It's good advice. Good advice the last dance was as popular as we thought it would be Part one drew over six million six point. Three million people are to just under six million people. Five point eight million people so it was some of the biggest sports documentaries we've ever seen. It beat the Bo Jackson. One pretty comfortably beat up OJ. America part one Nearly doubled the audience of OJ and not a huge surprise. We were all looking forward to it. But it's funny that even a couple of days after it debuts. We're still getting more and more information. Now we find out Tim. Floyd was talking that we knew the template came in to replace still Jackson and ultimately we knew that Jerry Krause wanted to blow them up but what we didn't know is that he wanted to blow them up a year earlier. Here's Tim Floyd on the radio talking. About how after the seventy two WIN SEASON JERRY? Krause wanted to hit the button. That'll Jerry REINSDORF and I walked around downtown Seattle and they ended up the Bulls ended up winning that series. That was the first year Michael came back or walking around down down and he basically said look Krause wants Phil gone this year. He thinks that Pippen's breaking down his his back. He thinks that this this team is run. Its course He doesn't WanNA overpay these players. They're coming up on their contract years. He wants to move before before their contracts are up ninety seven ninety eight where we can still get value for him and he can start to rebuild and In Jerry Reinsdorf you know it was torn. Because they're winning but Jerry Krause wanted a over and done with so that he could go back and basically take all the credit for the next rebuil- May to hear from the guy that was about to get that. That is stunning stomach. You've been in a similar situation championship team and they start to break it apart. Piece like piece by piece as a member of that team will just going through your head. Well you start off by you know the year that originally hired him you always gotta go two years a year before that to know that the flirting has already started just because he's now the head coach all of a sudden. No He's been talking to this guy behind closed doors for years so Just undercover you. You start to you. Start to look at and say just like he said about Jerry Krause. He wanted all the credit. I remember. We won the super bowl in Tampa Bay and all of a sudden these we started to. You know we wanted to make a second run back at it the next year and we could have but eagles got in a way. It much like Mike Wilbon. Who's on our show yesterday said As I was saying to you guys prior to that eagles getting away a lot of things start to dismantle two championships in in for us when we won the Super Bowl John. Gruden's Eagle got an away. The next year and things started to fall apart. I left team rich. Mckay in the middle of the year or general manager elected to step down as a Tampa Bay buccaneers general manager in left teams to become the Atlanta Falcons general manager and middle of the season. Keenum cartel leaves the team. Warren SAPP leaves the team. John Lynch leaves the team a couple of other guys. They leave the team Because of different contracts or or didn't WanNa play for the coach anymore just became one of those deals. Where you sitting there you go man. We could rent you know we could have won three of these things down in. Enjoy the ride instead of coming in here in worrying about who gets the credit. He was so worried about everybody. Giving Tony Dungy to credit. Because it was his team and everybody giving rich McKay to credit because he built the team that he did anything he could to for the demise of breaking up the program. Small men do small things. Does John Small. It doesn't matter how you define the salt a small but small man do small things. You could be the richest person on Earth. But if you're a big man you're GonNa do small things and I think that's what you're talking about. You're talking about someone. Perhaps in Jon Gruden who even though he's big in the NFL. Just want to super bowl. He's on top of the world. He's all over television. He still was small on the inside. And that prompted him to do small things because he didn't feel the bigness that everyone else was him for. He was just seeing the small guy. Steele and Jerry. Reinsdorf obviously Jerry Krause so that his small band in Tallahassee to saint team so his franchise. It's sad but it's not a story that's unfamiliar to US was look at look at Dallas. I mean Dallas had Roland. They want to super bowls with Jimmy Johnson and then they made a change there because Jerry Jones felt that he was not getting the credit that he wanted to bring it here. So that you know Jerry Yang tomorrow. I'm not talking about physically small if Eko prompting him to do that because I was thinking more size not not physical smallness the smallest of. I'm not getting the piece of credit that I want to see that every day we see that everyday life what the statue of the body is the mind of being small instead of big pitcher to part of this to that just keeps coming back abuse. Cook this first of all to have a dynasty like we saw the warriors very recently where they went three and five years. But we hadn't seen three in a row couple years off and now you're going for three in a row again but in the midst of it not as it's starting to break apart not as guys are getting hurt and getting older but in the middle of a championship run. They're actively trying to blow it up and go back to the warriors would if they'd said Steve Kerr you're not coming back Kevin Durant. We're GONNA move you want. And they all wanted to stay together. Imagine a reaction to that. It would be the same reaction we get. Now when we look at the Jordan would have the same reaction we got when shack lift in the Kobe. Bryant Saga the same reaction. I mean what are you doing and we do. The problem was think about all the bands. I've broken up really really good historic band. They're broken up because somebody wanted for credit or somebody's Eagle got too big and end up destroying the whole eight television shows. You guys know one of my all time. Favorite shows Golden. Girls talk about all the time. I was shocked with each other warning. Show show a pretty good job of concealing it right. Were until now. We'll see we'll see who. Who's the Jerry Krause in this? We need to identify? There was a way to keep it going. Even without the way that they had it set up the Bulls did have a plan in place that might have actually worked at Take place we'll get into what that was in. Who killed that one? That's going next on the morning show on seven ten. Espn can I tell you something? No I was a little worried about you last night. I was a little worried that I did not see the whole movies of you making dinner. That's Kinda come part of my normal routine when I did not get a a series of videos of you put together at dinner. I started to think all right. Well you know what the problem is is a has a little have a little injury going on in my hand and it's not from videos typing or anything like that. It's got to be an old injury from football and I had to have slept on it wrong on my hand in a has some sort of hairline fracture in the middle of my in in just never heal properly or something and I slept on wrong in our woke up and it was you know it was hurting and it was stiffening swollen and I just kind of it's been bothering me for the last couple of days but I'M GONNA go in Coma Dr Day when I get off the air and see if he's available to check an x ray and check it out to see in fact if it is something like that or did I just really really badly lean on it to the point where it's just you know no return. I mean it really hurts like aol where your mask when you go into the doctor. My mass when I go outside gas station mass grocery stores mask anywhere. I don't mess around L. C. R. U. Mass Guy Everywhere. You go are you masked up first of all? I'm not going anywhere. Let US I. I don't I we go once a week. We go to the grocery store. Yes I al Mal basket. I actually just ordered a couple of fancy looking masks. 'cause I gotta make things work for guys. I can't be out there in East St L. Conway so I order. A COUPLE OF MASS. Little Fails E. Yoda managed care by what you look like a staying healthy which one the reason why. I'm getting the math there. He makes either or it is not an either. Or but if you worried about wichita mass look like oppose it. You stand healthy because you can get an Anais mass. That doesn't work to look. Good is not going to work because you always got something travis. I'M A Walk Sutiyoso Travers. One day in my math is going to be fly and he asked me where I got my global dark mask from it. I'm GonNa tell him you said you WanNa go to dark mask I got a whole I gotta ask you. As long as we're back in the studio is long as we're back in the studio whether it's masked unmastered where between on there for that I'll wear glow in the dark. I don't care what it is. I gotta I gotTa mask right here. A basket full of them. That's all designer to that. Was You know delivered to us some time ago? They got all the COCO. Chanel Gucci's this. I'm like man just because it's material don't mean is working it's a Gucci and nineteen. Ask just you know designer. Young lady put them together. You know which is which is great. I love the idea but I'm like Yeah just a lot of holes in that mass. Chinese has been doing it for years. Though I showed you travis. They actually have designer masking runway. Now so it's like painfully. We're behind the net trend because we have needed a mask. But now that Kinda here. But I'll bet you got done soon a bit. You got the right protective stuff too though. It ain't just cloth it's not just designer right all right. So we know that the Bulls Dynasty got blown up. Because they didn't want Jackson back. Michael Jordan said he wasn't gonNA play anybody play for anybody other than Phil Jackson We got mentioned very briefly passing in the dock. The of the night vict- the Bulls tried to make a deal for Tracy McGrady that they wanted to trade Scottie. Pippen for Tracy. Mcgrady mcgready was talking about it and he went. What he said was a lot of people. Don't know that nine is the jury cross was actually trying to make a trade for me and Scottie and M J called in acts the whole deal. They brought me in for a secret meeting. Yes they did. Okay I love that. Michael was loyal to fill and Scotty like that. I think that that's fantastic. But the question is is. Should he have been a little less loyal and realized that look? This is the way that the goes you move out an older guy for a younger Guy Tracy McGrady and Michael Jordan. We know they got six together. What would that have looked like? They decided to go with Tracy. Mcgrady and I should say Michael Jordan decides it. He's okay playing with some different guys. I mean are they rip off another two three? God only knows but at that time Tracy. Mcgrady wasn't as good as he pimping come on now. I don't care not yet. No but but even even so that would have been setting up the franchise for the future. Not the immediate. Now Because Scotty. Pippin went on to play several more years at a pretty high level where Michael Jordan you know his was Kinda over and done with. At some point he would have passed the torch to maybe Tracy McGrady but winning the the now is would Jordan. I'm sure was looking at saying himself. Okay we're GONNA win right now and I don't WanNa win with no young dude. Will I gotTA train him get him to play and think like me are already got Scotty in the bag? Let's keep rolling like this man to be waited ships. No Really Tracy McGrady people forget how hold on hold on people forget how cold Tracy McGrady was and Toronto. I'm not talking about once again to remain. No and he was free. He was out cold coming out of high school in Toronto. His he played fantastic defense. He wasn't the shooter then. He became eventually but remember Scottie. Pippen was migrate shooter. Each ball handler. He was a willing passer and oh by the way he didn't have the EGO to demand to be the one he had the EGO to demand to be recognized. Which is all he needed. He would have been a satisfied to and I don't know if after ninety eight if they had if they had traced McGrady if that would have been over with Michael Jordan even with an ag Michael Jordan because by then we saw we're chasing grady. What's about to become what he eventually became. And that is one of the most lethal as offensive players in the last thirty years. But remember it wasn't it wasn't the wasn't ninety eight. They wanted to save one. It was earlier than that was Scottie. Pippen was tracy. Mcgrady League was ninety. Seven Ninety eight thousand. Yeah but that was the year that was the last year they won the championship. So why would you? Why would you take one of your key components? If I'm Michael Jordan why would I flip Scottie? Pippen that with one year pre prior to that would mean a championship run at the level that he played at. Why would I wanNA flip him after that championship to get Tracy Mcgrady? When I'm trying to three peat what would I do that? Because you figure you've gotten what you need at Scotty pippin that he's getting older but Andrea Perron Young Tracy McGrady who I can mold in the shape that I want and I don't have to pay him for awhile. No I'm not see Jerry Krause. I'm talking about Michael Jordan. He was a high school kid. He wasn't at the same level of Scottie. Pippen and ninety six ninety seven or eight or call. So why would I move him for him? I'm not GONNA do that if I'm Michael Jordan. Because the alternative is it comes to an end. The decision is do. I keep Scottie or do I take Tracy McGrady the decision is do. I take Tracy McGrady and keep this thing rolling. Rather I'd rather like Michael said I have. I rather defend my championship because I have the right to defend my championship. I earned that right. Sure you're not going to break it up as if we lost now if we lose in six okay but after five. I'm not going to break it up to try to get the six. If we lose his six you WANNA break it up less running back to see if we can get another three with Tracy McGrady but I'm not. I'm not willing to do it after five senior. He would've traded and his six and real talk. He might have ended up with three more right that though. I don't know in Hind in hindsight we know. That's what the likelihood but you're right. You're right key. Trade away a bonafide hall of Famer with five chips for a high school kid on Nelson was risky as hell risk. Especially when I got especially when this this this guy that is the hall of Famer has a foot injury. It's coming back. He's going to come back. We know he coming back. We know why he's mad. He's mad because they didn't pay him but he's coming back. We hold it together. T- gives back go on and win a championship. Why WOULD I? Why would I do that? When I know Scotty got at least five six more years left any why would I do? Well Scotty was gone after that season and Michael. Shut it down after I understand that but that put the year that they was trying to trade for Tracy was after the Fifth Championship. So if I'm Michael Jordan in feel Jackson I know why he's holding out. I knew I didn't have the surgery. He'll be fine in if they get smart and they make a decision at that point in time we go running back for seventh even though the today maybe maybe the owner decides to fire Jerry. Krause it says you know what man forget that we run into back. Maybe he vetoes the whole idea of blowing it up. Who knows but even if I don't go into it thinking that way if I'm Michael. I'm going to defending their championship. Because I have the right to with my cats that I want my fifth with and then I'll deal with the seven when the season is over with there is. There's another reason that he may not have wanted to do that as well. And I'll tell you what it is on the other side the morning show on seven ten. Espn your home is important. That's why gyco helps make it easy to save on Homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place. Home is where he built a giant pillow fort in your living room and when people ask why you have a pillow. Fort Living Room. You say it's for your dog and when they ask what kind you say Chocolate lab and we've a web of lies that's almost as intricate as the crown molding in Fort Pillow. The GEICO Insurance Agency could help protect the pillow. Soft fortress you call home call Geico and see how easy it is to switch and save on Homeowner's insurance. You can pretty well little impromptu quiz that I gave you during the break key. You knew who is drafted number one the year before you in the after you. Of course you're taking number one ninety six. You were all over key. John Carter in ninety five. Why was that on the tip of your tongue because a fluid it was the year before? That was the year that I was going to come out in. I decided to stay in school. One extra. You know another set. Another season I just remember I remember the whole thing. I remember if I come out and be a top ten pick. I'll probably be the first to see off to board in front of Westbrook in front of Galloway You. Know Front. Jj stokes. But then I was like no. I'm going back to school the next year. I remember ninety eight ninety seven because there was conversation at the New York jets. We would take peyton manning if he decided if bill parcells decided to do it and promised him and he will take them number one then he would come out and obviously bill never do nothing like that in then in the following year was manning's year so I kinda. I didn't get the Tim Couch. You're right because it just you know like tim couch to couch was decent. Though man rolling bad teams. We go to bad teams and Butch Davis. It's just it's bad. Coaches bad teams will recognise career. Man unless you just well so coldblooded that you can. You can fight through all of the obstacles in the bad stuff until you get somebody good tim. Couch number one overall nine of the browns the next year. Guess who's picking I all over again. The browns they took Courtney Browne. Yeah they took Courtney Browne number one in two thousand and you just go through this you see the browns pop up over and over and over again with that first overall pick and sometimes you get a guy that can kind of gauge direction. Like you're saying if you've got a personality ability but if the organization sucks it's not a skeleton key to get out of a bad team you gotta get lucky to you. Got To have a special guy and a good coach. And you gotTa have you gotTa have top top people like when. I got drafted by the jets the year before they were two and fourteen and we wouldn't want fifteen. I wasn't happening. I wasn't I was. I was not going to sit around and be coach. For four years. By rich. Kotite wouldn't happen. It was just watched it happen. You know I don't care what reporters right what they would say. I didn't give them at the end to me. Somebody and get somebody who can coach me to win the championships. That's all I'm accustomed to doing it. I mean it's so many things out to snap in the place. Let's go back to Jordan for second we're talking about. The idea of the bowls wanted to make a deal for Scotty for Tracy McGrady and Michael Jordan said Hell No. We're not doing that. We're going to keep Scott. We're GonNa win another championship. I get it Scotty. Was Guy all the things that we talked about. You wonder too. How much of Jordan's legacy plays into this? The idea of look. I know I can win with him again. I've already won five with him. I'm going to win six with him and I don't want that and oh on the back end to have to go anywhere. I don't have to train up a young kid like Tracy McGrady to get on my level. That's GonNa take a season or two and I don't want to go through the process of my legacy big dragged back down because what Michael got to the top. He never came back down until he went to the wizards when he was around other than when he wants to play baseball for a couple years. They were right there in the championship level. They're winning championships. And you just wonder if he didn't WANNA have to start over to go all the way back down and take a a season or two or three to get back because he obviously still WanNa play basketball. I know is shut it down for three years. But he came back to play for the wizards. You wonder if just don't want to have to rebuild this with a kid. All over again played into his decision. Absolutely it into the decision and I don't blame him Jay at the end of the day. You don't give up a Scottie Pippen for Tracy McGrady. I mean it's not. They're coming off their fifth championship. You've got a chance to now. Go to six and you know you go into six you looking at it. You see what's out there in the landscape. Yeah Tracy McGrady. He's a good high school basketball player. All the sort of thing it's just like it's not as it's not the same as Vladi and Kobe. The Lakers were not coming off championship. Victory after victory after victory when Jerry West made the swap for vladi in Kobe. You could take a chance on that one but to give up a surefire Fire Hall of Famer. Who is Julia steal one of the top five players in the NBA for an unknown? That's not you don't do that. You just can't do it. There's no rhyme. There's as a player front office people can do we but as a player especially somebody like Michael Jordan. It's like a flint football and all of a sudden we got an aging Give me a good quarterback we gotTA. Ag Troy Aikman. Who is is not at the end but just came off winning. The Super Bowl missed the super bowl of next year. Then all of a sudden you WANNA draft another quarterback this young because you think Aikman and had one too many concussions. I'm not having that you're not gonNA be out. There was some dude. They can't hit the side of a bus yet. There's another go I don't know man I don't know I guess it all depends on how we here's the reason why you don't know. Elsie is because we like Tracy McGrady's gain in Hollywood evolved. They'll don't don't don't look at weird ended up at look at where it was at. At the time I get that but remember it was because of the exposure to Michael Scottie. Cain Scotty and I just wonder what Tracy McGrady would've turned into because Tracy McGrady is a hall of Famer and let's face it. He didn't really have a lot of great examples in terms of someone grooming him. He had a grooms himself but imagine. What would happen to that? Holidaying talent emerged in a Michael Jordan. World I always thought the same way about Andrew Wiggins Andrew Wiggins head a lot of potential and I just wonder what would have happened to his career had he stayed in Cleveland with Lebron been grown by Lebron as opposed to go to Minnesota and left his own devices and Tracy McGrady. Obviously it worked out okay with him. But I can't help but salivate thinking about Tracy McGrady being tutored by Michael Jordan. There's no question there's had they had they had. They moved on from Scotty and there was a hiatus period in a championship. Run Michael State around. There's no question that they probably could have won a couple of championships. But at that moment in time if I'm Michael Jordan I don't WanNa make that move for the simple fact that I know what that is a number thirty three when I got here in four years anyway. He's a proven commodity. He's a he's a he's a hall of Famer. We got but the one thing that we cannot criticize Jerry. Krause for that. He absolutely was brilliant. He identified talent right guys. He he knew which you gotta get rid of. He knew which got to go draft. He knew which was exactly the right guy to fit into that puzzle and he did it with McGrady. You're right. We didn't know what Tracy McGrady was going to be. Jerry Krause did Jerry. Krause is a really unlikable guy in this. He's obviously the guy that killed this thing but he was right about Tracy. Mcgrady be laugh. But I see this all the time and professional sports guys like Oh man. I really liked that guy. I only get him. I want you to get so discover him. He watched him in soy discovery him but think about what he did with pippen. Think about the move he made for Charles Berkeley to get bill. Cartwright did together moves jerry. Krause made were the right moves. He we can criticize him for a ton of reasons but not that he certainly formed teams in found pieces that go along with what Phil Jackson needed and wanted to do. There's no question about that this job but sometimes in your job you could screw things up like getting rid of a Scottie. Pippen to get Tracy McGrady in fact you say well. It's cheaper in younger at that time period Tracy. Mcgrady was go. Make little less Scottie. Pippen Scottie Pippen was only making like two point. Four million dollars at the time. He's a two four so they could trade with Gregg radio out. There Scotty was going to go make tens no but remember. We're not talking about ninety eight when it was over. We're talking about before that. So you still got the books at two and some change yes. Rabi on the books at one is some change you one more year. You could get McGrady for multiple years at this year but you. You're moving from Scott. You've already made that determination. You're moving on from Scott anywhere ninety eight so he's not GonNa be on your team. The only thing you could have done is get Tracy McGrady in hope that Jordan would stick around and then if Joran sticks around maybe he leads you into the future and if he doesn't stick around maybe you got Tracy McGrady to take them out to Jordan in. Move on in the future. That's the only win win that you can get out of it but trying to make six run at the championship with a High School Kid. If I'm Jay I'm like no aren't doing L. Z's top ten is coming up next. Let's get right to it. L. Ziadeh's Tuesday. It is six forty five in the morning. Top ten time. What do you got well Sir April Twenty First Twenty Sixteen. Do you know what happened on that day. I would tell Ya twenty sixteen. Yes hit me. The world mourned because Roger Nelson pass away now. Obviously everyone's going to go through and talk about all the great songs the Popular Ones Purple Ray blocks but this is my top ten list of princess non top ten singles in other words all sanity something not crack the top ten and they were officially released a singles. So no you're not gonNA hear erotic city because it was not officially released as a single however these hand work starting at number ten from the double album that in my opinion is as best album hot thing by Prince. So you listen to that. Now I'm I will admit some of the The lyrics here are inappropriate but as twins were appropriate. But I think for the title like Hot Thing. You kind of know what? The song is about number nine was the saw that for him. It's neat song. Controversy the thing about Prince. That's so amazing. Is that he especially when he was really hitting he had a way of blending and so many different genres of music. Whether we're ROCK DISCO PASTA THUNK but his lyrics were always wrong folks lyrics no matter what genre. He was playing always for the grown folks. I just little controversy because he asked what I I really wanted to know too he says am I black or white and I was trying to figure that out a loan. So what does he? What about the other question nos? Eds gator straight day. Or I just figured he was gained so I was confused about that one came out. We'll talk he's asking questions you know. it was a great great song number eight another love a holding your head. This from this came under the Cherry Moon. Which is the most alcohol Lewis Movies I've ever seen in my life however the music was banging and this was one of the least singles off of that another level holding number seven speaking of movies. This came from the much better movie. Paret that is take me with you. Do the do now was talking about riding down the PCH. Aids coming in from Attica with a convertible. This is actually. This is the one that just feels right. I don't know why he's playing all the live versions of these songs. I'm I'm just GONNA keep it rolling system and I told you I didn't know why your plan all the live versions. We keep it rolling. Thinks we actually can't play because I guess there are no Eric's that are sensible for our listeners. Ears just know the song. It's called sexy. Ms Yeah that probably doesn't qualify. Don't qualify but when I was talking about before how press was so good at using different genres and different forms of music six is a complete tribute to the sound of Change Brown and it is absolutely amazing and if you listen to it today which I have still hose up number. Five is probably the most popular non top ten song and that is nineteen ninety nine. It's so crazy to think about the lyrics at that time you know because we were still dealing with nuclear war here for liberation and Prince made a disco song about. It took a serious geopolitical conversation. Have PEOPLE CELEBRATING IT? That's that's artistry right there absolutely incredible number four. Is You know. We'll pick up line for a long time. Sometimes it works sometimes. It didn't but you could tell me I wasn't prince when I said I wanna be a lover crazy that I saw did not crack the top. Got All the way up to the number of luck. Hey you guys get here. This will be playing. Travis me you sitting at the bar waiting on your friends gear your way which. I wouldn't be trying to because this works. That'd be as I was leaving early. So that's number three is where you go when you want to try some. You don't want to go downtown people. You WANNA go up. No I don't think I like this. So why not doing one of my favorite like the lyrics surprise surprise. Wrap this up now or hey. Because Chris Prince banks put it this way coming in at number two as one of the donkeys groovy is raw dog songs. Princess ever made once again. I can't believe that so then crack. It went all the way up to the number twenty one and it's caught get off now. I will say this would good job because that's another one that's right that's all right for you. That's all right number four number four and you want be your lover and it worked then you went uptown business number two and now number one the number one non talk Cam Transa- to me of all time. Lyrically is the most sophisticated song by years of ever heard the analogies to picture that he paints the details about relationships. The real conversation number one. I don't CARE CARE. Care to me is always a girlfriend. Do your clothes before we go. This was this is I think so that was so pinpoint accurate in terms of relationship dynamics then this one would you run to me as somebody hurts you? Even if there's somebody that is you can't go any deeper than that. You can't let that blows my mind. But he puts the serious dynamics of relationships and made them songs and not like goofy. Sounds like you. You'd be spun and stuff but I mean once you get a certain age and you really start going through one seriously in another serious relationship and you go back and listen to princess songs and he listened to the lyrics. He's really breaking some stuff down so and win. This song came out remember. Just sit lyrics into like okay I get it. See how like this though. I'm glad to find the guy in about three of them. That way. When a top ten Donald Dell Michael Jordan's first agent is GONNA join US coming up next on the morning show at seven ten espn.

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USC (McCollough) and UCLA (Bolch)

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USC (McCollough) and UCLA (Bolch)

"Every week. We brainstorm for the next episode of the arrive Levy podcast, throw, different ideas. Who do you wanna talk to you? What's hot what's trendy? We can easily do a podcast about the professional teams ever Sigui heck ever debate. But the college sports also heavy huge fan base in Los Angeles about the whole city arrive early legally podcast for me. I have friends that went to USC went to UCLA. I never really shows one school. I've covered both schools. But I never was that all man at all USC, all UCLA. I love going to the tailgates at the roles bowl. I love going to the tailgates on campus at USC. I love seeing the energy and the by an enthusiasm that people have for the schools and a lot of times. It's a minute. We didn't even apply to these schools, but we have a devotion to the powder. Bloop the cartilage goal. You know, you have his energy this connection with these schools when you cover a team, it's one thing for when you cover a school. It's different because you hear from the rabid fans. You hear from the alumni heck, you'll even here from the administration. Now, not the SEC where that's where they live and die with their teams. But the fan base and some California four USC and UCLA, you know, it should be commended they go up they show up. They get there. And they take a lot of pride and we've all seen it. Right. Those house divided banners USC UCLA USC UCLA week. You get better pick aside. And today, we'll be talking with the beat writers that cover the schools Brady McCulloch coverage USC, he's nude LA be interesting to see and hear his perspective. And Ben Butch who's been with the LA times for a while used to be on the USC basketball beep covered the NBA now, he's in Westwood entrenched with the Bruins. And we'll start this college. Addition of the arrive early legally podcast with Brady McCulloch be on the one ten at USC where he covers the Trojans. Now you cover USC, but what is your name? My name is Brady McCulloch. Okay. I look at it. And there's a j in front of your name. Sometimes right. That's right. You have a J dot Brady. Yeah. J Brady McCulloch James is my first name never went by James. Parents only call me Brady, I feel like this was like a thing in the eighties. A couple of my buddies growing up had the same thing. And one was a James Robert, I actually didn't go by Robert. But I think it was a thing to to go by middle name. And then the first time I wrote a story for the Michigan daily student paper at the ovum mono Jaber, eighty Senate cool. I well. This looks cool when you got hired on j Brady McCulloch that just sounds. I wanna buy his book. Have you know, it's it's on my life agenda crime series. Maybe. Right, right. I sound like a detective almost right James McCulloch. James McCulloch university of Michigan. Yeah. I went to them. So the big house and the big house quietest hundred ten thousand people in the country in any given moment. But this year getting pretty loud some like in that, you know, how did you end up at university of Michigan while I finished high school in Buffalo, New York. And I was a big college football fan growing up. If you looked at my bio at a college football website when I was thirteen years old and real. Yeah. So you had a website when you're thirteen. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, totally exactly what was on. Not that young. It was my dad was a website designer beginning in the mid nineties and built me say, and I'd go on there and rank the top twenty five teams in the country every Sunday after all the games have been played. And by the time, I was a freshman at Michigan. I was getting like thirty five thousand hits Philly people didn't even know I was just some kid, but I'd get emails from people on my teams not ranked high enough. People out totally people were all over me better than the coaches poll. I'm sure I was put a lot more effort into it than the coaches put him put it that way. This is your first year in LA, correct? That's correct. Yeah. I wanna know who you are. Jay Brady McCulloch who had a website where you thirteen people. Didn't know they were arguing with the kid. No. I don't think. So awesome. No. So so I that's where I like, you know, kinda got into everything. And at that point. My college decision wasn't. You know, sure I wanted to be a good school. But mainly I wanted a big college football experience. And so I was like, okay. What's within, you know, five six hours of other buffalo or when my dad was in Dallas and Michigan was within a five hour drive and great academic program. And and had that big college football experience that was my priority who was at Michigan. When you went any teams any good teams great. It was a couple years after they won the title on ninety seven. Lloyd, Carr was the coach Tom Brady was the quarterback. The first time. I went to a game on campus of senior in high school went over to watch the Michigan game. I was taking official visits. I was like I need to go to game at university of Texas in a game at university. Michigan see like where should end up and don't tell angel, but I to the university of Michigan. They'll hook 'em horn for you know, ho- Comorans. Yeah. The friends that went to Michigan. I'm born and raised in LA in there. Oh, we're going to I'm going to go to Michigan. Do you know it's cold up there a winter jacket? So you're you're. Yeah. Michigan reference. Cool paper. Did you cover Tom Brady? I was I was a year after Tom. Okay. He was five years older than me. So you just knew you wanted to be a sportswriter. No. I didn't grow up partly because I grew up in town called Shreveport, Louisiana where the Shreveport times was a great paper. I'm sure, but it wasn't like I was a kid who's growing up reading the paper every morning with his parents at the breakfast table, or whatever. But I knew I wanted to be Lee Corso I wanted to be on college game day. I wanted to be that point Craig James. I don't think Kirk herbstreit was on the show yet. I want to be college football analysts. That's why this website and everything. And then once in Michigan I wanted to cover the football team. 'cause I saw the students covering the team in the paper. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. It's like never connected with me even until probably like a year in like, wait sports writing is like an actual career. I could actually do this for a living. But it was not a thing where I was thinking about that. Aspect of it until actually started writing for the student paper. And now, you're covering USC another historical what the light come in and covering USC as a person with no L A roots. Or no connection to anybody in the town. It's actually exactly what you want. I think I think you can bring fresh eyes to something that people think they know extremely well and do know streaming well, but I think people enjoy getting a new perspective and a fresh perspective on something that you know, if someone was covering the team that had a bunch of preconceived notions or devoted their life to it. I feel like they wouldn't maybe get the same outlook on something that I would bring and I think one of the cool things journalistically. I'm always interested in putting myself in situations where I'm covering something. New so many think that's for me. It was a cool opportunity for that reason. If you're talking about USC, you'd better know what you're talking about because these people live and die with their carnal and gold much like they do it probably Michigan. And they do at Texas. And I'm thinking LA, they get the nocco. They have the beat. There's not many things. Going on. But they packed the call Siham and they get set when they're not winning. And right now is not a good time. If you're clay hill in the football coach, no, I it's not the seat is at minimum warm. And and I think a lot of the the people that are the live in dyin types. They're already done with it. They've checked out. It's fascinating to me as an observer of college football and college football kind of junkie just how these things happen. You know Helton in two years finishes one year with a Rose Bowl victory and the next year with a Pac twelve title. This is the first Pac twelve championship. They've had in basically a decade. You would think this guy would be getting statues ready, but even going into the season there's a lot of unease still about him. And I think it's way he carries himself. He's a nice guy people. I think when you're a nice guy Ali g Barry, very, yeah. Yeah. Very golly. Jeeves just kind of of Texas Texas, kind of drawl every day you show up to practice addresses. The media is happy. Tuesday, everybody, you know, everything is extra positive extra gooey. And I think that the hardcore USC enthusiasts doubt, his pedigree is a guy who wasn't head coach before the guy got pretty good results. You can't argue with that is I two years but going into the season, I think he was going to have to that didn't buy him a lot of time, which is interesting is it unfair the criticism. I'm I'll be I'm not watching you right now. 'cause I was worried about the dodgers in the World Series or LeBron every single day. It's you know, it's LeBron Emily, right? Yeah. But now it's kind of settled down you pay attention to college football. Wait a minute. Essex should be better. Like is this guy over his head? It's tough as a beat guy because I it's my job to be objective. And I do think there are signs that he could be in over his head their signs that the program at minimum. This off season has to think about how to toughen up these players, mentally physically. The does rang a little soft where able to watch practice. They're actually one of the only big programs in the country that allows that so, you know, we have the ability to watch most programs are closing you'll see anything certainly of US's caliber. But most power five programs are not opening many UCLA UCLA exactly if you talked to ban, you know, that. Yeah. Basically, every workout every practice was open. We got month of August. I was out there every day. And you're watching you know, the quarterback competition that was won by the true freshman JT Daniels. That's the most important story. But you're there every day. You're watching the way they practice. Your watch them the way they do. We go about things. There's no way there's a power five program in the country that gives the media access like USC does. And so you don't wanna take that for granted. But what it also does? It does give you a real ability to say, you know, they're only practicing with full pads once a week zero point these things out, and I think that's part of the problem, honestly with Helton with the die hards who actually follow this stuff every day, and where they in full pads non-full pads, the internet fan sites are given that stuff every single day and all they're all out there talking about oh, you SC's non pads on pads on twin on a Wednesday of a game week. You know, you're open yourself up to more criticism by being open. What at least they're being transparent. It's interesting on that level. And also this is a time for football where there's a lot of questions about Claire health player brain health long-term. Is it a bad thing that Hilton and the Trojans aren't doing a ton of tackling a practice and art putting their players that that kind of risk at practice. I don't think it's a bad thing. But I do think that what I see on the field on Saturday in. There are signs of. Practice. There's not a hard edge. And you need a hard edge to win in college football. Now, do you need to do that by being their brains together practice three or four times a week? I don't think that's the case. But they've got to find a way to develop an edge to this program, and that's up to Helton. And he's got the end of the season to show something to give short of beating Notre Dame in the season closer, I don't think these going to be able to convince the fan base, but he can for number of reasons. Convinces boss Lynn Swann to keep him on for another year. Lynn Swann on his side that let Kirker here's the thing. The dreaded pota- confidence. Okay. And there's a reason that it's called that. While swan comes out last week. I think feeling a number of things after Helton makes the change to take over play calling from t- Martin two fires offense of line. Coach the first true admission from Helton that things aren't going to be going this season. So swan I think felt like he needed to come out and say, maybe just for recruiting purposes just to come out and say, hey, clay, Hilton as my guy believe in clay. Elden? I stand solidly behind Cleal. Those were the stand solidly was in quotes IMB really went on about ten minutes about why he thinks the clay Helton can be the guy to get this done. So it wasn't a casual vote of confidence. He really did go in on it. But by going on it you've put it out there that his job security is something to be talked about get that vote of confidence. Usually a few weeks later we've seen this movie. So many times sports. Hey, that's my guy. That's my guy sees it over. Yeah. We're gonna find the different way. I I hate speculating on somebody's job. It's it's what we do. And it just more of the casual observer because I don't cover the team any more. But you get that sense from the fans that they are so involved invested in this university as somebody who's from the outside you mentioned with Michigan cover, Kansas. Now, you hear the criticism of Helton from the fans he changes offense of line demotes t Martin. But then you wrote a. Story where you talked to t Martin most programs, you even know who this are because they're off limits to you here. How did you get the Tim tesla s I d get to you? How did you guys talk with t Martin? So this is an interesting development. The fact that USC again, they're so open, and they open themselves up to things through that as journalists. What I'm gonna complain that. There's good access. No. But if I wasn't thinking of it as a journalist, I would say, why are you letting so many people in it so open, I respect leave it open like totally SAD parm. They would always who do you need today. It was only above and beyond comedy and beyond. And it's an amazing thing. It is they treat themselves like professional game where it's like how we're gonna do this. How can we help it? We know the media's here you have a job. Let's help you. And it started with Pete Carolina. I talked to him about it. When I got the job. I was just like, well, how did this development? I think Pete Carroll was was all in on that. We've gotta act like at that point. They were the pro football team in town. They wanted to handle themselves, and, but as an example in doing the t Martin feature that I. Been reporting for number of of months off and on. I just kind of been sitting on it. Because I thought I found him an interesting guy period whether any of this was happening, and I called university, Alabama or emailed their sports information director and because their offense coordinator, Mike Loxley was the first coach to hire t Martin and New Mexico just looking for someone to give perspective on T in his rise to in coaching and whatnot. And Alabama writing back and says Nick Sabin doesn't allow our assistance to talk to media ever. And I said I just saw well this has nothing to do with Alabama says doesn't matter it's LSU week. Like, you know. So I thought that that was telling meanwhile, t Martin is in the midst is the news of USC last week, and because I had been working on this piece about him. Suddenly, he's in the news. And this is happening. I've got a reframe the story, and I was able to get t just by talking to I didn't need to go through USC to do it because at developed that number and he was in a mood. I think where he wanted his story told even more I think than he did two weeks before when I'd sit down with him for a longer interview. So t I think was feeling vulnerable. As you saw the story. I think was happy to kind of talk to me about his emotions new last week is everything was going on. So he was demoted from his job which have so he's offensive coordinator. And he was play caller primary. Play caller. I mean, clay Helton ca jump in with anything in any moment like any head coach, but thi was the play collar and so to be still named offense coordinator, he he is office coordinator and perform many of the same duties but on game day and throughout the week leading up clay Hilton is now call. Plays and coaching the team from that head coach perspective as well. The lineup. Fire him, you know, I don't know how much clay really felt like it was teased fault. I just think it got to a point where helton's was an offensive coordinator before he was a head coach the way he spun it anyway was that he'd been itching to call plays again part of who he is a coach had been three years. The offense was obviously struggling I don't think he would ever put all that on t- Martin. But I think you know, he knows how this game is played their foreign four, and you can't be foreign four at USC and just continually week by week not that it's his job to answer directly to fans because if any head coach did that drum selves nuts, and they would be paranoid all the time. And they would never give their program what they need. But you have to understand. I think that this is USC in at four and four you have to start showing people maybe not just the fans, but your boss and the people around the department the people who are in charge of filling these million dollar sweets next season at the renovated. Call see? And that's the other thing hanging over this is they've got all this invested in the new Coliseum. The renovations starts next year. I mean, they had the lowest attendance in Arizona state game that they've had since the I I think it was the first year p Carol but early two thousand so I mean, you're under fifty thousand on a -tendance, and you've got all this common next year. If you could tell when it's under fifty thousand eight you can definitely tell and, you know, you always wonder about the numbers, they tell you. But there's a lot at play will never know how much pressure. He had from swan to make a move of some kind to show people. I'm doing something. The spin was the clay did it himself and told swan I'm doing these things swan said, oh, yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's all and then this thing it's all about spin. You know, you don't really know. You said you were sitting on that story, you're working on T reading your story it sounded like he was going to be more about T Martin who he is in college sports world. Yeah. That's the impression. I got the news happen and t- Martin is a year or two older than me. But I remember watching him win the national championship with the Tennessee volunteers and used to be always joke that you can't spell. Citrus Bowl without the UT because Peyton Manning was going there. And he won't be Florida Florida, and they would always go Citrus Bowl t Martin shows up and in the nineties. You didn't see many African American quarterbacks and the store you wrote how he wasn't recruited as a quarterback. He goes at Tennessee with the opportunity. He's now coach see many African American office coordinators and his son Kayden who's a fourteen year old quarterback Redondo high the meat after a game. And the sun comes up to tea and says, are you okay? Knowing that the data under pressure, and I'm reading as a father my son's a year younger than his in. I can't even imagine the pressure going on that then. No that your dad people saying he should be fired. Then you're playing football on your own. Pretty sure there's somebody that sacked the kid that day was your dad's sucks or this or your dad's than that. Like the story. You wrote one thing that throws four interceptions. Exactly, the kid seems like he's very mature young man t the Cobra here after you've been a black quarterback in the F. E C is really not anything people could say to me that. I haven't heard before what kind of person is t- Martin. And it just seems like he has the tunnel vision of I'm going to get through everything. That's exactly right and their stuff that I wasn't able to get into because you know, we work at a daily newspaper. You'll have so much space to lax, but he grew up in that traditional kind of sports tough background, you know, in mobile, Alabama raised by his great grandmother didn't have much didn't come for much really through some mentors. And in coaches was able to rise and become a really good player. He's basically what I was shocked by every week this year. This is my first year covering him, you know, but he'd come out, and he would talk every single week with grace and humility and take all the questions from those fan websites that want answers, you know, I want answers they really want answers about this offense, and what's going on because their peak into the people that are limited dying with it. And they feel it and t takes the questions every time, and you could just tell this is a guy with immense confidence, and it just sort of radiates from him. He didn't get defensive. He just sat there and took all the questions week after week. And that to me was just really impressive. It says a lot about him as a man, I did get some emails after people reading my story that I think people seeing the big picture of, you know, they're pretty happy guy like t Martin is at USC coaching some of their players because at the end of the day, these kids come to USC, and it's these coaches jobs shirt to win games. But they also have an ability. To really impact these kids at appear where everybody changes when their college. What's their life going to be like, what are they learning about themselves t Martin is the type of guy you trust to do that. Now has he had the coaching pedigree that some people would want to say, oh, this guy's deserving of being the office of coordinator USC, maybe not. But is he pointed out you could argue with the results year ago. Sam darnold thirty four thousand yards. Ronald Jones runs for fifteen hundred. They won the Pac twelve oh. Now, he's not calling plays anymore. A few years ago t mar was that hotshot, oh, he's going to be a head coach tune. He's on the fast track. They say life comes that you fast. Yeah. He's got to start over a little bit. Now in Tennessee job came open last year. He didn't get the kind of interest that he would have thought it all mater when his former head coach Phil Fulmer may the one making that call when they botched the whole thing and former jumps in you think that one of the first calls, it'd be t Martin and it wasn't. So I mean, he's taken some hits here and some some hits the Chen and people leave that story feeling as a this is a guy who can handle it be also got bigger things going on his life. He's got a fourteen year old kid who is one of the top young baseball talents in the country for his age group, the freshman and also a freshman starting quarterback in south bay. He's gotta be on command for that kid throw in randomly has got a son planet. Clemson right now. I mean, this guy touches every aspect of college football. That's why fascinating to begin. With was just this guy's literally lived every part of this whole thing this business of college football, you still I college football. Ta I I'm still so. Obsessed so create soaker US. My wife, I would watch and I try to but cover new ac- made a little tougher, but I would try to watch fourteen hours straight every every Saturday rain McCullough covering USC. Oh, it's a blast. There. It is. It's a blast. I thirteen year old me would would would be diet. So I better than living in Kansas. I live in the greatest place on her. They're never leaving. See I told you is awesome. Welcome. Yep. J Brady McCulloch by his crimefighting series. And what your social media just at Brady McCulloch? No, jay. Good stuff with Brady jump on the ten freeway like we're gonna sit in traffic. Right, matt. If you're going to the west side, you're sitting in traffic on the ten up the four or five two cents said unless you got a fee for background, Ben bulge covered. The UCLA Bruin for the LA times. Before we even start talking about Dede Reese in all the good food in Westwood village. We got talking about the football team. Maybe it's the basketball guy. I've known for a while back when Tim Floyd was chasing us around the Galen center. He was on the US basketball when OJ mail was there. Now, he's covering all things. UCLA Ben, bulge the pride of North Carolina State. How many years this for you now on these Ben, well, it's my second tour of duty with the Bruins? Actually, I did basketball for about a year and a half leading into the last lockout and be lockout. And then moved over to the NBA for five years, and then came back, let's see in two thousand sixteen because I decided I wanted to travel significantly less. So that was a big part of this move. But I also love college sports. I be remiss if I didn't say that. So very happy to be back and he'll be my third season back on UCLA. Now when you say on the UCLA beat reporter, what does that mean, it means that I basically live on campus between going to football. Basketball practices. I going to the Rose Bowl for game. So fortunately, I live right across Wilshire from UCLA. So my commute is down to about five minutes a day, which is unbeatable. But yeah, I pretty much live on campus and follow all UCLA sports doesn't UCLA practice at six in the morning for football. That was more of a gym more thing. Now. It's fortunately ship is moved it up to eight forty five which is much better for the body clock. So I only need about two cups of coffee instead of five what's the deal with chip Kelly. You know, it's interesting. He's pretty much lived up to the reputation that he had kind of a no nonsense straight shooter. He really likes to parse questions and really tear down any kind of language that he thinks is imprecise or questions that he thinks are too obtuse hill, basically shut down the question just based on that. He's very lawyer like which is interesting because his father actually was a trial attorney. So I see that influence coming through. But you know, he's a straight shooter. He's been very fourth. Coming with some things like as far as guys being out for the season with injuries, and he loves really technical football question. So if you come with the good football questions, he'll sit there and talk to you, basically as long as you want, but he doesn't like being questioned. I mean, nobody does. Nobody does in this in this industry is which you do. Yeah. I mean, it is interesting that that's the thing about chip. Right. He just wants to do his thing. And he doesn't care about the perception. Whether it's the boosters or the media, he's going to do chip and and good or bad. We have to live with it. Didn't you write a big feature? And like a background of who chip Kelly is before the season started without talking to chip Kelly. Yes, I did. And I did manage to quote him from something he said a few years ago where he basically said that he was probably a pain in the ass as a kid because he kept asking why? And I thought that was pretty much the perfect, quote, the that encapsulates the chip Kelly experience. But yeah, I wrote a big three part series. Basically kind of looking at how he got to UCLA. A and what made him who he is. And his rise at Oregon and fall in the NFL, and it was a lot of fun because my great bosses in LA times sports -partment, let me go to New Hampshire. They let me go to Oregon which a lot of places can't afford these days. So I was very grateful for that. And they also gave me plenty of time to write it. So I was very happy without turned out. So you go to where ship Kelly grew up where he was coaching. And does he know you're working on the story? Oh, yes. In fact, he actually gave me a dinner recommendation, which I thought was pretty hilarious. It was the puritan back room, which was this kind of little guess a good way to say it would be kind of a low brow. But not in a it's not good way. But just kind of very down home style place in his hometown of Manchester, and basically everything on the menu was breaded, and they had like thirty six flavors of ice cream in the line was like going out in the parking lot. So not really my kind of place. But I did enjoy what I add some fried fish, and I had some in Oreo ice cream. I love this. I called my doctor and said, we need to do another cholesterol. Check asap. Now, why didn't he cooperate with you? Well, let's just kind of the way ship operates. I mean, he's he's got a handful of national media guys. He's real close with Bruce Feldman at the athletes lives in south bay. I know him a real tight, and he actually led Pete Thamel with with yahu said in on a practice in spring, which I was kind of dumbfounded with that. But I was told that was just kind of observe on background. It wasn't really writing anything. But you know, there are some people that chip kind of give some special access to he's built up relationships with over the years, and I got to see a little bit of that. When we went back to Oregon last week in you know, he kind of had some kind of warm moments with some of the the local writers there. So it can be done the chip Kelly or can be penetrated and people can get closer to him. I if you keep trying I guess now on the football field and with the boosters administration. What's their impression of chip Kelly? The first year just we're gonna take our lumps and deal with it or they happy. What's the overall vibe? Yeah. You know, it's it's really interesting because I everybody. I knew that this team was not going to be a great team. But then I think that people just thought that chip Kelly was just gonna come in and use these Magginis formula to just will this team to seven or eight wins. And obviously we we've seen it hasn't come close to happening. And I was thinking about this yesterday. I think there's some pretty good excuses for why it hasn't happened. And maybe that chip Kelly shouldn't get as much blame as as he's getting right now on some of the message boards. I mean, this is like the fourth or fifth youngest team in the country. They've played one of the toughest schedules in the country. I think like their first five opponents at one point where like thirty six and five or something outrageous. They've had a ton of injuries. They're breaking in to new quarterbacks. Then they're learning new schemes along the way. So you add all that stuff up. And it's kind of a ready made recipe for disaster. And we did see some progress there with those winds over airs on back to back, and then some massive backsliding these last two weeks with blowout loss to Utah. Then just complete special teams implosion against Oregon that really had some fans kind of going off the rails and really questioning chip Kelly. But you know, you just have to look long-term right now. And this year is not going to be a good year. And they just have to kind of have that needle and trajectory pointed upward when they have these last couple of games here particularly against as C N Stanford. If you give chip Kelly the time she lives up to his contract. Can he turn around the Bruin program? Well, it's a million dollar question. Right. And I mean, I think it's still too early to say I think there's some people who are kind of questioning their recruiting right now. Because they've only got I think nine or ten guys firmly committed and it looks like they're going heavily after sleepers which was kind of what he did it Oregon. It was a big success air. But people are saying now that you've got this this access to the southern California talent base, which is as good as anywhere in the country. Why aren't you getting a bigger hall of four and five star guy? So that's going to be something that's gonna play out here next couple of months with early recruiting signing day in December. And then. The regular signing day in February and we'll get more answers. But right now, it is a little bit head-scratching as to why they don't have a little bit more of a bigger class ready to come because they got some huge holes at a bunch of positions including offense of line in linebacker. They just need bodies because they're really down to even some walk on got some playing time and some spots. So they really need to restock this roster with with kind of chips guys. And then we'll see what he can do. Chip kelly's. The big name has the big contract has some years guarantee. We can turn things around. Steve Alford on the basketball side is basketball season's around the corner. Is he on a hot seat to have to perform? I mean, there's some people. I think the last couple of years to get rid of offered over there. Right. Yeah. I mean they've phone plane but banners around Westwood twice in the last three years calling for him to get fired was just something that you never wanna see if you're the head coach, I really do think this is kind of a either a maker break year for coach offer just because UCLA basketball, sweet sixteens is great. But that's not. What you want long-term? And if that's as good as he can get you have to question, you know, is he the guy, and I think that's been going on for a couple years now. And as I wrote in my season preview buyout right now is three point six million, and Dan Guerrero, and that like department gave Jim more twelve million dollars to go away. So that's not really even factor that that could save him at this point. It's going to be all about the results on the court. And I think he's never won a Pac twelve regular season title. They've never made it past the second week of the NCAA tournament. So those are kind of benchmarks. I think that we're looking at this year at least get to the elite eight which is a pretty deep run into the tournament. And as we saw Ben Jalan, you know, he actually won the Pac twelve regular season his last year, and then went out in the first round the NCAA tournament, and that was the end of the Ben Jalan era. So it's gonna be interesting to see exactly what Seve offer needs to do. I asked him yesterday. What it Dan Guerrero, say that he needed to do any basically said there was nothing specific. So I'm sure in Dan Guerrero, mine he's got some ideas about what he. To see from UCLA in Steve Alford this year, the legacy at UCLA with basketball, the athlete department. Overall mean I'm not talking about basketball football baseball, track field, volleyball, every sport that you could think of over there. They aim to succeed. And they went championships. They probably themselves on winning titles at UCLA. And you just recently came out with the book one hundred things UCLA fan should know. And do before they die fertile. Congratulations. I didn't speak with an author and second of all what are some of those things that UCLA fashion. No, you know, obviously, I hit all major highlights things like John wooden. Jackie Robinson, all eleven National Basketball championships. The national football championship in nineteen fifty four. And I tried to hit the high notes of all the greatest players and coaches, but for me part of the fun was on earth thing some real under the radar nuggets. Like there was this alumni basketball game between North Carolina and UCLA and in the summer of eighty six at Pauley Potvin. Alien were on the sideline you had not only John wooden, but you Dean Smith and the rosters were so incredibly stacked and this still blows my mind to this day that Michael Jordan had to come off the bench for North Carolina that game he was just getting into his NBA playing days. But still I mean just just to imagine that is really incredible. So that was a really fun one. And then, you know, UCLA had an eight overtime in soccer championship game at the king dome in the mid eighties that they won and that was fun to go back and look at that. And just the exhaustion and the incredible stamina that takes to do something like that. So you know, it was really a learning experience for me. And really enrich. You know, what I do is a beat writer a lot. Do you ever give flack from the university or leg department for some of the things you right? Oh, of course, you know, there's things that aren't always the most positive reflections of the university. But you know, that's part of the job. You know, you have to not only obviously highlight things that are going. Well, but things that are not going. Well, that's kind of my my job, right? As. Report and a beat writer. So if I'm not, you know, irking them every once in a while, I'm probably not doing my job as well as I should recently. You wrote about the concussion protocol at UCLA you spoke with Josh Rosen. Who's now the quarterback for the cardinals the NFL and how it seems like the UCLA medical staff is overly cautious. Where guys are saying. They're being cleared by the private doctors UCLA doctors saying, no, what was it like reading that kind of because now the five players out for the season because of concussions. Yeah. It was. It was interesting because they did have five guys out for the season with concussions and not just out for the season. These guys are out for the season by season. So they were basically shut down at a time. When there was a lot of football after play, and I went around and did some asking around the Pac twelve and it turned out. There was only one other player Pac twelve wide who had been shut down for the season at that point. And that was a defensive back at Washington. So, you know, I tried to get some more clarity from UCLA and got a lot of pushback know, they're very private as far as. Discussing players medical records. So I didn't get much from them. But you know, I got a former NFL doctor to talk about things that might lead to a season ending concussion football after play and the big ones were you know, repeated concussions and just not feeling better. And also not wanting to put yourself at increased risk because you know, we all know that players who suffer concussions are putting themselves at risk things like second impact syndrome, which can basically alter your life and everything about it for the rest of your life. So people don't want to do that. And I I will say UCLA's credit. I think that they really are airing on the side of caution in these situations and even talked to one of the running backs Paulo all around funny. I did a follow up article in which he basically said I'm on board with this because I wanna have a healthy brain at age fifty as opposed to damage brain. So, you know, I'm not gonna say speaks for everybody in that situation. But I do think there is a level of appreciation that UCLA really is kind of safeguarding its players health. Very interesting stuff by Ben boats covers the UCLA. For the following him on Twitter at L A T B bolt LA times Ben bullets his book one hundred things UCLA fan should know. And do before they die available now bookstores or you can go to Trump books dot com and check it out and both always a pleasure. My man. Yeah. Good good talking about. I hope we can talk some Tim Floyd very soon. And that'll do it for another edition of arrive early. Leave late podcasts USC UCLA Tinubu role. We continue to build the momentum. We have here. Please. Let us know. 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Mason and Ireland HR 2: Did It Have To Happen?

Mason & Ireland

44:24 min | 4 months ago

Mason and Ireland HR 2: Did It Have To Happen?

"A really big our Mason Ireland seventy SPN First of all the big news and Morales mentioned there Ireland. Not on the pre show call. He's just not going to let that go. John let that. He's the first person in my career that has questioned my work ethic no literally in my career. I know because I'm always working two three jobs. I'm always working right now. I'm doing the Lakers. And a at one point I was doing spectrum at one point I was doing the show and so yeah pretty much. All I do is sleep is I never sleep is is drive from one job to another but apparently it is not enough for the Great Chris Morales and by the way he says necessary to create a rift between Morales and I. It may never heal. He says now that I have to be on the calls. Chris you do not have to. It is not a requirement it is like letting the Fox into the Hen House. All he does is disrupt the calls but he's welcome. I doesn't have to I now. Feel about is the way Michael Jordan feels about Jerry Krause crumbs morale crumbs yes that's near nickname crumbs aright dumb on the Line Mobile. Horia laughing at you guys that's funny Haina Crumbs next time he sees Ramona's you're like me all you do is work. It's anyone ever questioned your work ethic. Just my punctuality for sure. That's have Greg Greg a little bit. Yeah I think you guys were both off and I was filling in with Brian Chemnitz. I think I was filling in for both you. I think we were doing the Mason and Ireland show then and then I remember like I. Greg just really wanted to talk about the show and I was like I don't know usually when I host with base and Ryland just kind of show up five minutes for the show and we do. It was offended by that if you were to talk and get their half hour early and have you know it's funny about that. Mobile is half the time Greg was producing our show. He was doing a little dance party hoedown for the dodgers and and he was taking time away from the show to do stuff like that so far from him to question. Your work ethic and in fact cranked out an article after the last dance that is posted today. And it's a good one. You pose a really interesting question. One that everybody's been debating did the ninety eight bowls. The one we saw the team we saw in the last dance. Did they have to be broken up? What have you found out? Well I talked to Jerry Ryan. Who's the owner of the Bulls? Then as well is now and I think he's really the only guy who could have changed history. I really I mean you know alternately. The owner is the person with the final word right and I think looking back on this. The only way that this thing could have stayed together if he would fire Jerry Krause but probably a long time ago like I don't think that at the end of the final season after they went six going to Michael Jordan going to Phil Jackson saying okay. Let's try which is what he did. He went to both of them said okay. Let's let's try to get everybody back. Let's do it. I don't think they could have salvage that late. I think you would have had to get rid of Krause. Probably after to eighty to comment I think the damage was so severe that he would have just had to choose between them. But that really. Isn't Jerry REINSDORF style? He's not the kind of guy he did. He kept telling Phil. Hey you know you in krause. You'RE GONNA win this one. You know like stop you stick up for Jerry a little bit. You know taking on him stuff eating it and then he would say to Jerry. Krause Day Stop. Stop. This was fills up antagonizing him. You know and like just were winning stop. His Cross didn't wasn't just that krause and Phil fell out. It was that Chris. He didn't have to keep writing on the bus with the team. Right keeps saying those those quotes in those comments me. He just kind of kept antagonizing the situation to you. Have something in your story Ramona. That I don't remember and I don't know if I buy it and I'm curious if young short Reinsdorf said to you quote the thing nobody wants to remember is during that year the lockout Michael screwing around with a cigar cutter and he cut his finger. He couldn't played that year. He had surgery and the finger. So even if we brought everybody back it wouldn't have made any sense. Do you think Jordan would not have played had they you know? It was a fifty game season. Could Jordan played no? He had that two surgeries on that finger. Ryan surface correct about that one. Now this is also a little butterfly effect. Okay because you know Jordan hurts his finger with like a cigar. I think he was at a golf tournament. And it was in January of that year so it was a pretty severe injury like you couldn't grip the ball and he couldn't two surgeries on it and he would never really see his finger now. It's still affects them right? I think he sliced attendant or something but he he wouldn't have been doing all that if he was gonna come back like he for all intensive purposes he had made it official yet that he was retiring but he was retired. So if ransomware would've gotten Phil. Scotty you know the rest of the guys back on one year deals for dino to try for seven. I think Michael's out there messing around with that cigar cutter either in January but yeah Ryan is correct in saying that he wouldn't have been able to play because there was a pretty severe injury. Yeah plus what's the timing of this Jordan was already gone by the time he cut his finger with. What is this would? This conversation was in July. Yeah this was in July so so Ryan. Surf goes to Jordan July third. He remembers the day instead of listen. Don't say anything now. I WanNa make you guys want six. You deserve the chance to defend your title. I'm going to try to keep it together. He tries to he tries to do one last. Hail Mary he'd done that the year before right and he let let's see how the lockout goes could be months. Baby changes mind. Now he goes to fill a like a little while later and Asan and Phil keeps saying no he says no no no but he never presented it to fill as all get rid of krause and filled. Never said Oh. I'll only come back if you get rid of Krause. I think because one. I think Phil was just done at that point. Let too much blood has been spilled and they'd already it really already said go said their goodbyes. Like the team itself it just it was it was over and I think filled knew that so. I think it was too late then but Ryan Jordan July. The finger injury doesn't happen until January okay. But there's a lockout in between like so so Michael if you read up on. The Michael doesn't retire right away. They actually hired Tim Floyd at the end of that July July twenty third or so so they make one last. Run it Phil Phil says no again then pin floyd. The lockout goes all the way into January and Michael actually could have stuck it to the Bulls and force them to keep to sign him to another one year. Deal or something and pay a bunch of money but he finally wants wants. It's obvious that you know Ryan isn't GonNa pull a rabbit out of the hat and get filled comeback. He just retired but he doesn't make it official that he's retiring again until after the lockout Ramona. Shelburne this Ramona. There was a part in in episode ten. That was fascinating to me and I think you probably caught it to the one thing you and I learned about Phil Jackson. When he was here is that he was brilliant at using the media as anybody I've ever seen. He knew how any public comment he made would be received in the locker room in the front office. He was very so when Phil when they were at Grant. Park celebrating the sixth title. Yup and Phil Mentioned Jerry. Krause as a thank you knowing that. They were feuding at that point. They weren't getting along. Phil knew exactly what happened new just by mentioning Jerry Krause. He would get booed vociferiously but everything Phil said was actually kind like he he goes. I also want to thank Jerry. Krause for giving me this opportunity. And then as soon as he says the words Series Cup Boo. So here's my question let was still trying to do Jerry. Krause a solid there and give them a thank you or was he sticking it to them either sticking to yeah I mean I think okay so this is the words Jerry. Reinsdorf used to describe why Phil Jackson like why Jerry Krause felt betrayed by Phil Jackson like what I understand. Why filled in like Jerry. You know he made it the eighty to comment and he's like shoved right door. He doesn't invite you've ever. He invites at the beginning of the seriously he invites. Tim Floyd to daughter's wedding but he doesn't invite fell. Remember that yes okay. So I understand that Phil side of it but I don't understand what Jerry having instill and Ryan Surf said Jerry. Krause was a lover scorned. He feel he loved Phil Jackson. He feels like he created Phil Jackson. He found him in the. Cba has found him in Puerto Rico right when he was remember that scene where he's shows up but he's dressed like a no hippie you know and he goes for his job interview like that like he feels like he found this goofy guy in the middle of Nowhere and plucked from Obscurity and trained him and brought him into the Bulls coach and gave him the opportunity of a lifetime. He felt like he was like his. You know his creation and Phil was disloyal and I said well how filled disloyal. What what what did he do and Ryan Surf? Answer was Jerry's mind fill needed. Choose him over. Mike Lynch got he should have protected him against Michael Guidance. Getting so upset with him right like you should have told them to knock it off and defended him. You think back on that part where the Sam Smith Book Comes Out Remember. Remember Krause calls fill into his office and who do you think that all these quotes and he tries to unmask the sources and stuff and who would have said this about me Blah Blah Blah. I mean kind of trying to get Phil. Jackson Chews Him and beyond management side as opposed to the players side and when he didn't do that when his loyalty was to his team and his players. And Not Jerry. That was kind of like a a wound to Deep Momo. Hang on hang on extra segment okay. I want to talk to you about baseball in the new rules and governor now saying maybe sports can Quebec First Week of June. Most hanging out with us and bottom of the hour. John Vladimir the our Casey Johnson's coming on the Johnson got some and he's got a lot of background on this stuff. Ramona'S TALKING ABOUT ABOUT JERRY. Krause and how that all ended in Chicago? So you're into that. Stay tuned for that so we got that coming up to Mason Ireland seventeen. Espn to take a minute. And we don't do this enough. I WANNA to take a minute to congratulate myself. I want our MLB. The show competition. On Friday night I beat Ireland. Four to one on Sean. Green walk off home run then. I beat George three to two on a Gary Sheffield Solo home run. I ended up going three zero and our mlb the show tournament and for the second time. In Video Games simulations I have gone three zero and won the championship if needed to pronounce that if the world were a video game mason would be king. Life is fantasy twenty four seven. Twenty mythical money on this. Did you win anything on? Why didn't we stop or I was four to one odds. Yeah I should have been. I did not bet on it but Somebody suggested Jonathan Watson who's one of our researchers I. He's a guy on twitter who digs up for us all the time. He doesn't for Youtube Momo. Yeah Yeah Yeah he suggested that when we play Madden NFL. Madden that John. You use an all time raiders team. I use an all time rams team incidental using all-time dolphins team. That's a great idea. Yeah that'd be a good way to do it. Yeah great idea. And we'll all get beat by Mason. So he can run his record to nine nine to know exactly. I'll do it pandemic. I'll do so moma. We're getting there now. First Week of June says Gavin. Newsom says are happening. Cuomo says Abbott in Texas. Everybody seems to be moving in that direction. And that means That baseball could be the first one out of the box and the rules are just unbelievable. They released the sixty seven page. No spitting sunflower seeds. They're going to sit in the stands so they're not all close together in the dugout. They will exchange lineup cards. A digitally which seems like no big deal to me once There's a ball hit on the ground enhanced by multiple players. They will go with the new ball. The incredible stuff is the testing stuff that they've put together now. There will be multiple temperature checks a day that there will be a test every week antibody tests. They'RE USING A lab and UTAH. They seem to have really laid out this in detail in order to get the game restarted or get the game a started in July. Well I hate to burst anybody's bubble. Okay don't please don't I might not Anita versus okay. I really think that this is all just politics. I think that they could have done this a month ago. Okay but I think that a month ago there was still this feeling amongst the general population. Like how can you justify ten thousand tests for baseball when we don't have enough testing for the general population so the thing that made me feel like okay? We're getting close sports or coming back. Or there's there's a pathway for it to things have happened the there has been enough testing to where in the city of Los Angeles remember a couple of weeks ago. The Mayor Mayor Garcetti announces anybody who wants to get testing can get tested. Did you get tested Momo? But I'm going to go this week. Actually Yeah We. We got tested in my mom and not Stepdad. Leo Got Tested so and we all were negative so we went out there this weekend. And how do we get together? Yeah I think I think that once they announced that that was like your first sign like okay testing widely available right. That's a big deal. I'm glad you saw your mom do by the way that's cool. Yeah it was really cool. It's really good But I think the other thing that's happened now is politically the governors who have taken a very hard line on you know maintaining shelter in place like the economy is really started to become effective in the the winds have started to change in the other direction. Where I think that instead of everybody's saying keep it close close close. There's a there's a pushback from the economy saying let's open it up. I think starting up sports is actually something to relieve some of that political pressure. I really do think it's all it's all shifted. One because testing has become politicized right. It's like everybody can get it. You're not taking it from anyone and to this is people need sports like just like look. How helpful psychologically. The last dance was for everybody you know. Espn over the next the next month showing great thirty for thirty every night just because people need something to get into else you know. So yeah I think this the next two weeks is the Lance Armstrong thirty for thirty then comes the Bruce Lee thirty three which was really awesome. That's called be water. It played at Sundance this year. And then the third one is the SOSA mcgwire for thirty which I think also is going to be great. So yeah we have these things and you know Bob Nightingale was last week. He said he thinks it's ninety ten that we've got baseball by the fourth of July and all the sudden you can start thinking about. He's if it all starts coming back. Think about what we've been doing for the last couple of months. We have been just talking about whatever we could possibly come up with all the sudden we get Major League baseball the NBA playoffs and the NFL. Season going at the same time it will be. I mean just for the trap. Yeah with everyone trapped at home with the ratings. Go through the roof. Oh it would be just ready. Okay so I keep coming back to this thing Michelle. Roberts said to me a couple of weeks ago she said I said how you for your players thinking evolves since before the the league shutdown right like leak shutdown go test positive everything shuts down. How is it evolve over the last six weeks people have gone from? I need to get home and get safe and keep my family safe to this world with the virus. We have to learn how to live in it. Okay and IT'S A. It's a feeling that all of us I think on some level or having which is we probably can't make our risk zero. We probably can't just stay safe little bubble forever We can probably mitigate that risk through real common sense type things through be really smart about it through getting tested and I have a neighbor who has a he's he's got he's immuno-compromised had had cancer it. He's still kind of battling it. Sure everyone in their household gets tested. Every week they go make an appointment. And they get tested. They stagger it so the wife gets tested. One week he gets tested. The next son gets tested the week after and they figure if any of them ever test positive they assume they probably all have been exposed but people can. You can start living your life this way right. It's I. I'm still kind of scared. I still stay at home right even even I'm still starting to think like well if we start getting tested more regularly if you're smart about your exposures if you lessen your risk as much as possibly follow things you're supposed to do you know there might be a way back to some level of interacting with the world again. I think that's where sports aren't to Momo. I keep going back to this. It's what you're allowed to do right versus what you're willing to do. That's likely like you're going to be allowed to go to A. Let's say a movie theater willing to go to a movie theater. You're allowed to go to a restaurant but are you willing to go to a restaurant. It's like it's GonNa come down to us taking charge of our own personal feelings about this and you don't tell your risk. We're willing to accept you. It's Wade Ramona is Mason. Normally is the first in on things. Like for example. He's going to be I in on driverless cars. He's going to be I in putting microchip in his head. It's GonNa be I in on drones. Have he'll have Amazon delivered? Drones you know Steph to his house through thrown Butler he would be I in on the drone Butler climb all. I'm very leery about the world being taken over by robots so I always let him do it and see the results. But the pandemic it's reversed right like if somebody said today all right all clear in California you can go to restaurants again. I'd go to a restaurant tomorrow night. Mason would not mason loves movie theaters. More than anybody. I know loves going to the movies. He says he won't go if they open movie theaters. This weekend I would totally go. Would you really yeah? Isn't that weird? We know what I think we're set. We're shaped by experience. Thought I'll tell you a story so I've got a friend who is about my age. Who had a Kobe related stroke Allah and that has made me really. I mean for lack of a better term gun shy. It's it's made me feel like it's it's not safe and it's GonNa take me longer to get through it maybe than other people because my experience has sort of shaped my view of that otherwise John. You're right I am generally the first guy although I put out a put out a poll. Interestingly because I said what are the odds that were actually at so-fi stadium on Sunday September the thirteenth for the opening of the NFL season cowboys and ramps? And here are the three choices and take take a guess on how it's gone. I said yes. No mask yes with mask or not going to happen. I would say the number one answer is not going to happen. Number to answer is yes with mass and number three is yes would no mass. Yes what percentage say not going to happen eight it I would say no not quite eighty maybe fifty five sixty nine percent not going to have only five percent. Yes with mask six percent. Yes no mass. Now I will say because I've been waiting so long. And so patiently and going to game at the Coliseum bought my personal seat license. Oh my season tickets. I would probably go with a mask I would. If it is available at play you would go. You would go to so so this goes right back to the original point you made. You would go so fi but you wouldn't go to a movie theater. It's what you're willing to do versus are. Hey Ramona we we gotta get to Casey Johnson. Give us a quick update. How is project Daniel go to sleep going at your house? Better good good better like we. You know what I did. Is We have a little bit different a routine I. I have one of his stuffed animals. We take the lion. Cave name is Mr Lyon Mr Lyon. Yeah Mr well his. He was Leo. But he we decide and Mr Lyon anyway so we have we have the the lion and we are kind of when you come in the room. We Kinda snuggle with Mr Lyon and I say Mr Lyons going to protect you when you go to sleep. Okay we're GONNA Miss Alliance can protect you. And he gets in there and he grabs onto a little bit more. I think he's getting it there. You go all right good but it's not like thirty five minutes a crying. It's just you know Christ for like a minute as we're leaving the room but then he's got his line good. Yeah all right happy. The Daniel has his line. Everybody go read Ramona's article in the bullets. Very good as usual moment shorter than usual. It is shorter. I finished the whole thing. I don't believe it twice that. Wait a minute so he wrote a sixteen hundred word article instead of thirty two hundred. Yeah Chris Morales is going to do a promo crossing your work ethic. It's coming all right Mama. Thanks a lot talk to you. Soon is coming up next. Casey Johnson from NBC sports. Chicago's got great perspective on exactly how. Why the Chicago Bulls of one thousand? Nine Hundred Ninety eight the championship bulls were broken up. That's coming up next for you. Five o'clock fast track to coming up at five o'clock of course mason and Ireland seventeen. Espn SEVENTEEN ESPN. What is going on? It is the day after the final two episodes of the last dance which has been just a phenomenal experience particularly when we are all kind of shut ins to be able to relive an incredible period sports history and to really marvel at one of the great athletes in the in all of sports history. And we've got a cool guest right now to talk about. Casey Johnson has been covering the Bulls pretty much from the beginning of what you saw last time at the last dance all the way through with all this other stuff and he's nice enough to join us now from NBC. Sports Chicago of Casey. How you holding up? I'm doing well. Thank you from young guys appreciate all appreciate you coming on up before we get into and you have some really interesting stuff on Jerry. Krause what is because you have a unique perspective on this is there was ten parts so we had ten hours of documentary on the Bulls in your opinion. Did they miss anything? I I feel like too much is Being paid attention and judging and stuff like that I look you know. They had Michael Jordan's cooperation. And when you get that and you get Michael Jordan sitting down for three interviews you go where that takes you so I mean maybe some guys get some short shrift like you know. Ron Harper told coup coach. Yeah probably they did. I guess what my Michael Jordan is the access with which the world the bullets world revolves. And you know he does we all he did not do interviews like this much anymore. he'd given that one ESPN. The magazine interviewed the Rice Hobson. And really since the two thousand nine all same Speech we hadn't seen really the real Michael Jordan so those interviews by was the most compelling and captivating documentary and in my opinion. You're you're obviously ride those out and take take take him when go. let's Let's talk about because last night. We saw the dynasty unraveled. Jerry Krause your story by the way today is fantastic. Jerry explains why the Bulls Dynasty unraveled in his own words. How did we get his own works? So I covered Jerry for six seasons when you were time. A twenty nine inch Chicago Tribune. He covered them for six seasons when I was there for the trip And when he left the ball it was difficult and emotional experience for him and I reached out to a few months after he left the DVD amenable actually interview. He was it was his first public comment. Since he left the Bulls. And you know our relationship just gotTa Change Day a trust a deeper trust developed. And then I'll no longer confident anymore. He returned in. Its I love with with baseball scouting so then just kind of a natural organically form Jerry just very fascinated and curious about the modern day he like to call it asks me about what's going on with the Koerbel. He didn't want to bother John. Paxson simply do a heart. That job was he saw friends but mostly reached out to me so You know he was a guy who just wanted someone to listen He liked telling stories and my job is to listen. That's what I do for a living so Our Relationship Forum from there and I got to know his family very well so family was very very very gracious in entrusting me with the writings. That you've put the paper in in two thousand eight USA call and read passages from On it's not finished and it's not published but it's you know to me. It's a slice of of history. So I was. I felt very fortunate. We're able to share those it. Nbc Sports Chicago Dot Com. And it's on the site now and you can read Jerry Krause zone words and and and after you read them. I HAVE TO ADMIT CASEY. You see this in a different light. You see these guys trying to take the emotion out of it. Krause Explains Player by player. Why he didn't bring these guys back and because you now can look back and see how these players did after he let them go it. You'd have to be. I mean you'd have to be an absolute hater to say that they didn't make the right decision. The problem is that in sports when they win and they had won six titles in eight years and three in a row. There's kind of this unwritten rule that you should get a chance to defend your title. Jordan talked about that last night. So here's a question that I know is just your opinion. You know what Krause thought you. Now know what Jordan thought if they bring those guys back as Michael suggested on one year contracts what happens in the ninety eight ninety nine season two bolts. Tough hypothetical me. Rabbi I'll stepping out questions or just the fun and you guys live this. I mean he had a theory that you should stay with the team. More than seven season. He did that in. La as well. you know and and he say nine in. Chicago just 'cause they kept winning championships Terry. And His crosses council's relationship period of the point picked phillies needed a break. So he he's gone on. Pippen was even more gone. He wanted to be paid. He'd been underpaid for a longtime by contract point And he was also tired of you. Jerry Krause had tried to trade them twice so he. He fell under appreciated but he was gone. You are asking you to play out the full hypothetical and everybody is back on a one year deal. Do they win? So the Knicks is the came out of the year so sure they could've got back particularly short she one aspect to it. They also need to plan B. Played hypothetically ankle suffered of thirty serious injury during lockout recites attendant with a cigar cutter. Does he not pick up a cigar cutter? If you know everybody's coming back there's another what if you know? It's like playing the station. Game the Spurs team. That won the title. That year was very good team You know never got Michael Jordan right so you know. He thinks he can will will things into existence and he often did. So you know that's his belief and I'll probably see to his judgment. I personally think the bull on the number championships. They weren't supposed to do you. Feel that the the documentary was 'cause you know the family and you've obviously read. His words. Do the documentary was fair to Jerry. Krause because he does come off like like the villain in this thing because it's accurate. I mean you know. It's not the filmmakers fault. They still and Michael. Scottie had difficult relationships with them. Look I was. I always whenever I was asked as played out over. Five weeks or published excerpts spike rows throughout the the running of the documentary. I always say we gotta wait to see how the whole narrative arc lake. And there's really touching scene where Scotty Pippin give a shout Jerry. Krause and acknowledges you know he's importance in his talent You know deep in episode ten and he was probably the biggest adversary when when Jerry pass away in two thousand seventeen. I was working for the Chicago Tribune that I wrote a really really long obituary and Michael Provided me of beautiful statement I'm Jerry Impact You know through students policy so I wasn't wrong. So it's it's fair you know. Jerry wasn't blameless alike with allergies or anoint him as a saint or something I mean he had some in here already complex issues. There's no getting around that but the to the hall of fame really good at his job and obviously you know. I think I would think and Mike doesn't give interviews suspect crunch anymore but I would love to ask Michael like houses you Jerry. Krause changed over. Here is not an executive role. It's not. It's not an easy job. And Jerry in my estimation was pretty darn good at it. Well I I. We're talking to Casey Johnson from NBC Sports Chicago and I encourage you to go on the NBC. Sports Chicago website and read this stuff that that Casey was able to get that Jerry crossroad before he died because it's really fascinating to read. I've told this story before Casey so I work with the Lakers. In when all the Phil and his people came West. I got to know all the all the people that was back there with him. You know them all to six or seven. People that that Phil came back with and the thing that they used to tell me about krause. Nobody disputed that statistically you can't challenges work. He's a hall of fame. Gm won six titles in eight years. He built that team. He drafted or traded for everybody but Jordan but his people skills were lacking to the point of when these guys were in the office in around and they saw Jerry Krause or they saw this car was there that they really dreaded seeing him. I wonder what that was like for you to cover in other words. You you have this guy who is extremely good at his job extremely successful but appeared to be very difficult to get along with as a person. How did you find that to cover so I yeah you can just that and I thought he? I had a brilliant line about that earlier is Manley. Charity was really good job but he just had trouble getting out of his own way right that that's that's to me the sound bite. The guy's perfectly and maybe a little bit more diplomatically. Right so but yeah. It's a great question what I would say. Is You know this is why. I don't WanNA solid relationship with Jerry changed considerably when I stopped covering we became friendly and he got very sentimental and wistful anesthesiologist. As he grew older he passed away when he was seventy seven. So you know I don't want like take what my memories of covering him more and they were difficult. I mean he was a hard guy to cover because he was not trusting of the media. I used to joke that. He had an uncanny ability to return every phone. Call Talk for ten minutes and not get you one thing that you could use. The newspaper it was it was truly an uncanny skill. He had but he was always professional To to to deal with you just you just didn't trust people and that's why he got the nickname The sleuth and you know Y- I understand that dynamic. I all those guys really well shipshape for Tex winter you know all those guys And you know but Jerry brought a lot of those guys into the NBA as well and we all. We all recognize that to our. Hey Listen Casey I just Retweeted your Your tweet a with the article. It really is a good reader. Puts a little bit of a different spin on On Jerry Krause's portrayal in the documentary and gives us some more kind of three dimensional view of who he was Both as a general manager and a person. Thanks a lot for coming on. We appreciate it man. I enjoyed the talk. Thank you guys he. Yeah that's it's fascinating to hear. See when you read crass breakdown how yet all his medical people in the room and he said okay. Let's talk about Luc Longley. Let's talk about Rodman. Let's talk about pippen and you hear what the doctors and the trainer said and this is on the piece that you just tweeted out. You can't call them crazy for breaking them up even though I think it was crazy to break them up because yeah right. It's like walking away from a blackjack table when you've won ten hands and row how much more you can go on the run. Yeah and it's a bet that because Jerry Reinsdorf. The owner talked about money. It's a bet that he clearly wasn't willing to make now willing to make All right coming up next the one thing that grabbed me out of that documentary that we haven't talked about and it's the idea of Michael Jordan's ability to always stay in the moment. Let's talk about that coming up. Next Mason Ireland fasttrack at five o'clock seventeen. Espn I seventy SPN. We got fasttrack coming up for you in just a couple of minutes You know one thing that jumped out at me from last night. I think it was. I actually to thanks. I had never heard the story of Steve Kerr's father at American University. In Beirut as told by Steve Kerr's mother which I thought was incredibly moving to get that back story of Steve Kerr and his life doing what he everything he could with the talent that he was given as he would acknowledge not the most talented guy in the world by the way. Steve is going to be on the show with us tomorrow but to hear that story told by his mother. I thought was incredibly powerful and moving. So I'll share a little bit of this tomorrow with Steve when when on the show but when I was at UCLA. Malcolm Kerr started there. Yes and the day he was assassinated All of a history major. Ucla all my classes that day throughout the syllabus and talked about Malcolm Kerr I got. I got a three or four. Our dissertation on what he was laughing. I felt like I knew him. Yup and I felt really bad for Steve and at the time I was just starting at U. OF A. Yup and and it's it's an incredible and I think that's why Steve is so politically active today. Yep He's He feels strongly about speaking out about when he thinks things are wrong. Or are you know he just? He knows that everything's connected so he'll be. I'm looking forward to having him on the show. Tomorrow Yeah me too the other the other line that jumped out at me was About Jordan how? Can you fear missing a shot that you haven't taken yet? The the idea of Jordan. I don't know who described him. As being present was it was phil that was describing that last night or was it somebody. Oh No it was that who is like the sports psychologist. Who Dr Todd Boyd? I think the the idea. That Jordan was always always in the moment an unafraid of what came next because he was already in the in the now of it. All I thought was really really incredible. Because that's something that Phil Preached One. Even once he got to the Lakers the idea of being present the idea of being in the now in the moment and not not thinking about what's next and not thinking about what's past but being right there in the moment I thought it was incredible and I thought it was also really in this now. You're getting to the hippie part of me right like Deepak. Chopra was on my podcast last week. The idea of everybody writing down their recollections of the team in their thoughts about the team in Jordan writing out a poem about his experience with that group of guys and then fill and all of them burning. All those recollections in a coffee can I thought was an incredibly moving in cool and very Phil Jackson feeling kind of thing to do. I know you don't like the word journey. But Phil Jackson does. He uses that word on. I know he doesn't matter of fact his book one of his books With the Lakers was called journey to a ring in his big thing was always. Nobody knows how this is going to end that while you're building something while you're on your way to whatever wherever it is you end up. You have to enjoy each day as it's happening. You have to enjoy the journey rather than worry about the destination. We'll have a destination in mind. But Phil was very I remember when I you know. He's great with books he used to. He used to like think out players in books and earn so one day. A second to a minute I said if I wanted to learn more about your whole zen philosophy I said what book would you give me? And he said there are two he said one is called Zen bodies in mind and then the second one really surprised me. It was the Zan of motorcycle maintenance. Oh no the of ZAN motorcycle maintenance. It's a fantastic book and I said well I'm not really into motorcycles and he said doesn't matter Yep I've never read it but he apparently he says it will explain a lot of things and I thought that he would recommend a book to somebody who's not into motorcycles Yeah it really had. It doesn't have very much to do with motorcycles. It's called Zen in the art of motorcycle maintenance. And it's written by Robert Per Stig and it's one of those books that if you are one of the and by the way I don't mind the word journey when Phil uses it when it's used by some fifteen year old girl on American idol. Okay because she hasn't had a journey she's fifteen. She's in high school but then in the art of motorcycle maintenance is is a great great read and it is one of those books. Along with Paolo Quail the alchemist and Siddhartha by Hermann has. They're like a series of books. That when you get into that sort of Zen mind and although I'm a stupid call myself a dirty word stupid fool on the radio. There's there's more on. There's more one on like you're on a journey. John and we talked about your journey on the podcast. We did together and eventually will change places and you'll interview me on the podcast. Which do it? There is great demand for But there's those those are some books that are really cool and I've been a part of ceremonies as recently as new years where we took our resolutions when I was at California hot springs with one of my Teacher Saul David. Raye and we. We wrote down our New Year's resolutions and then we dropped them into a fire and burn them to to resolve to follow them so I thought that was really really cool. 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05/04: Next up in the NCAA's notice of allegations assembly line: The Louisville Cardinals

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05/04: Next up in the NCAA's notice of allegations assembly line: The Louisville Cardinals

"Scary pairs it's Monday. May Two thousand twenty welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball. Podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting leaky Black Matt. Norlander is here with me and we learned earlier today. That law has received a notice of allegations from the NC double eight includes one level violation that involves improper recruiting offers. There are three level two violations including one against a former Louisville coach hall of fame coach. Rick Pitino he got the failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance violation. So in Orlando. What don't want to do is talk about these in two parts. First what does it mean for Louisville? Then what does it mean for re Patino who is of course the head basketball coach at Iona norlander? Let's start with question number one. What does this mean for little? You just love. Open the pod with these these Big Old broad ones what it means for Louisville as that it is in the crosshairs of to me the most interesting and I don't think that most damaging I don't think that when we get through all of these cases with Aa and as a reminder Louisville just the next one down the assembly line here we've already seen NC state which was the first one. Kansas which is a significant one. Usc Oklahoma State Creighton hasn't announced yet. But I believe Crayton's had some and some have still gotten yet Auburn Lsu Arizona. The schools haven't received them yet so Louisville next in line just so everyone's clear this is clearly tied to all of the Department of Justice and the FBI stuff. But what it means. I think is interesting because Louisville is a repeat offender as a program in general. Okay and we'll come to learn if that means something or not in terms of like. I said three transgressions against the rulebook since Nineteen ninety-six. Now we enter into a new era of adjudication if you will on behalf of the instability and it's not just it's committee on infractions but the separate complex case unit and what we might still get from an independent body. We can get to that in a minute there What that might still rule. We don't know if Louisville will be more severely punished because it was a repeat violator while on probation or if Louisville we'll have saved at skin to a certain degree because it cleaned house. Tom George Foreman Athletic Director gone routine. Of course gone his entire staff. Gone You bring in a new president a new aesthetic director obviously new coach new staff. And you do that to avoid heavy punishment no doubt about it but I also think you do it in hopes in hopes that two things one you can say. Look at every other school. That's been involved in this and whether the instability committee on infractions or the Aarp wound care about that remains to be seen but look at every other school. Where the only one who did this okay and to when you are inherently dealing with human beings who can say. Hey we understand. We might even agree with some of the stuff. We'll dispute some of the other facts. None of us were there. Okay you can see what we've done here and how we've changed. And and and this is I'm paraphrasing. The President who spoke by Zoom Conference call earlier today pairs how we have changed the structure of accountability with our own Athletic Department and help progressive. We've been there so to me. Luvell has a unique position situation. Compared to every other school is going to be caught up in this parish. And I can't give you. I don't think anyone can give you any strong sense or notion or any level of confidence in terms of okay. This is what's going to happen is going to be facing X. amount of scholarship productions certain fine postseason ban or not. We just don't know. So what does it mean for? Louisville is more of a. What does it mean for college sports going forward because I think this is the one particularly interesting instance? Were they cleaned house? And now we wait to see what will happen by the way. I don't think we're going to get answers on that. Minimally for like eight months it might not even be until February March April of twenty twenty one I. It's always important to point out when programs are going through this uncertainty. The undeniable uncertainty is a punishment in and of itself. Because right now everybody recruiting against little is going to use this against them like hey be careful going. Louisville they could get hit with the postseason ban. You know they've already gotten a notice of allegations and it does involve level. One violate a level one violation and remember. They were already on probation so it could be really really bad so that ended of itself is a punishment. Something that Chris. Mack and his staff will have to to work through. It doesn't make it impossible to recruit but it does make it more difficult than it otherwise would be the most famous example is North Carolina having to recruit literally for years with an NCW cloud hanging over. Its Program Roy. Williams will tell you that it prevented him from getting the type of recruits that he had normally gotten at North Carolina and there was one prospect specifically Brandon Ingram. Who is on the record saying he went to Duke? Only because North Carolina was facing possible punishment. He knew he was a one and done player. Didn't want to go to North Carolina and then get stuck playing for a program that was going to be banned from the tournament. I'm paraphrasing a bit there but essentially the point to the same right. The possibility of North Carolina being punished by the way cost them a five star prospect and Brandon Ingram and certainly others along the way. So Chris it. Staff are going to have to deal with that as for what happens after that the actual punishment like. Hey here's what we find you. Guilty of for lack of a better word and here is now what you have to deal with. You're exactly right. Nobody knows it's a guessing game for two reasons. The Louisville situation is incredibly unique. Mp The incident blaze wildly inconsistent with its punishments. Some people get a X. amount of years for a show called the people this amount of years for show called you. Try TO FIGURE OUT. Why is the one is this one is this? You never really can make sense of it so I'm not sure what's going to happen. I don't think there's much point in sitting around debating about what will happen but I do think it's an interesting conversation. What should because like you said? This is a unique situation. This is a program that has consistently cheated amd been caught cheating. Been on probation three time since one thousand nine hundred eighty six. They were long probation for a recruiting scandal when they had multiple assistant coaches out knowingly according to the incidental a breaking more recruiting rules. That's bad undeniably bad on the other hand. This is a school that fired everybody. Ad One of the best in the country. You're out a hall of fame coach. One of the greatest of all time your out multiple assistant coaches you are gone and so if you set out to punish Louisville at any sort of significant way now you are actually punishing people a coaching staff and student athletes. Who had literally nothing to do with this? That's that's the balancing act the NCWA is now dealing with. How do you think they should handle that? You know over the parish. I mean over the x amount of months or years I've I've had occasional conversations with head coaches in particular But even one person at the instability level and. I think this is important to keep in mind here. I don't think that Luvell should necessarily be absolved of everything because it cleaned house. That isn't it in and of itself is a certain kind of punishment. Scher and what? You just brought up In terms of the uncertainty also certainly has has as a real impact on it. And it's something that Louisville's representatives will no doubt about it. Make a case there but when Chris Mac takes that job he knows that something could happen and he takes it and he has a contract that it's going to protect them and actually extend his years on the deal. If and when punishments come that that Directly Affect Louisville's eligibility for the postseason tournament or other impacts. He's got he's got a friendly contract in that in that way. Okay so he's actually hit up to protect himself. But some coaches have said to me has been listen when you are being recruited whether it's a transfer or or kid out of high school it is up it is on you and your your parents your guardians whomever to know that if Louisville were to be administered and Noaa. If you will whenever that was to arrive in here we have it. We enter the month of May and Bang Boom. It happens on. May fourth that this is going to potentially be an issue so if the AA is smart about this and can get its house in order because the fact of the matter is when we talk about these things and we referenced the instability as You well know pairs as a wide margin a majority of our listenership realizes this but just to make it clear there are different silos if you will within the installation catalyst stuff the enforcement group that goes out and gets all. The evidence is not the same as the committee on fractions. Which takes the evidence and then adjudicates on it and we could still have the independent accountability resolution process which I referenced before the Aarp which is a whole new ballgame. We'll get to that in just a second but I don't have mountains of sympathy for Louisville for for Mac and his staff and the players when you knew the deal going in so the incidentally can be and I don't know what my level of confidence with on this would be interested to hear thoughts. Have it be like this? The staff is the staff. They're paid professionals. It's going to be when it's going to be but whenever this punishment gets handed down. Let's just throw out a hypothetical date because we don't know but let's just say it's Valentine's Day of two thousand twenty one okay two things in order one a- any sort of punishment that's GonNa come down and have it be effective starting in the twenty twenty one twenty two season and if that's the case then any player again who through no fault of their own. Okay that's on. The current roster has the ability to transfer where they want media probably GONNA be case. Anyway I get all that but let's just work in the world that we're in here right now. Gp give them that option okay because otherwise you committed to the school knowing. This might have been a problem to begin and so that becomes a problem as well. Okay this cannot be and will not be cover all the same way. That coaches could once upon a time. Say I don't know and that's no longer acceptable. And nor should it be and that's why potatoes in the crosshairs. What are your thoughts? I think you are mostly on the same page here and I think our opinion is unpopular. Opinion I I. I saw a column from a friend. Mike the Corsi at the sporting news. And you know he was sort of you know making the case like do we do. We really want to punish people had nothing to do with this. And I just think you have to and the reason is because you cannot have a system in place where a school can continue to cheat at a sport over and over again and then if they say hey but when we got caught we fired everybody so we don't deserve any additional serious punishment. Well then what does that do? It just frees him up to go out and buy somebody else graded. We go higher and other great coach and recruit at the same level if there's no risk of further serious punishment than than. Yeah it sucks. We had to get rid Patino. But we got Chris Mack. Like we're GONNA be fine like you. At some point. You have to punish the school you have to and I know it's unfortunate for Chris Staff like I like those guys you know. I've known him forever and I know it's unfortunate for the student. Athletes were there but this is x one of the reasons when I talked about Kris. Maybe taking the Little Job Schutte shouldn't he? It was like you gotTa to understand what you might be to asked. You might look up at two years and now you're dealing with it. Ncwa case that's going to make recruiting more difficult. Maybe lead to a postseason ban like I still think it was the right thing for him to do to take the job. But this when you were trying to weigh the pros and cons this day was one of the cons and so if you're gonNA walk into understanding that like you pointed out then you walked into it understanding that and frankly he probably got more money from low and more years based on. They knew they had to convince him. Come in. Come on and yeah you're probably GONNA have to deal with some bad stuff like we'll make it worth your while so I just I don't. I don't think you can have a system in place where it is. It is sort of understood. Hey listen if you get caught fire all the right people. We won't really hit you too bad. If You Louisville as a basketball program has to be punished whoever is in charge of Louisville Basketball Program now I do think it should be taken into account that they did fire everybody like they have restructured everything and they are now. Maybe for the first time ever trying to do things the quote unquote right way. I do think that should be considered and that should lessen the punishment and I do think that when Keynes's gets punish it should probably work the opposite way like you stood firm by everybody and dared us to do about it. Well now here. We are So I do think that it should be understood. Louisville deserves a lesser punishment than it would if Rick Pitino. We're still the coach today and those assistants were still unstaffed but the idea that the punishment should be nothing or something not serious. I just don't agree with that at all at some point. The university's gotTa be gotta be punished. And I know that we'll repeat this down the road whenever we get more information on that when they have that they have an idea. They went to respond. Louisville does and we'll see what comes with that Cetera et CETERA. Just it can't be said enough. This all happened while they were already on probation. And I just think that's going to play a significant factor. There I just do. I can't get away from that just as by the way. What also makes this particularly interesting case and I do. I think we agree that whenever this stuff comes down through the committee on factions or the AARP which by the way if if that route is taken which is what Memphis is GONNA do in Memphis will be the first school we see. Nc State is still angling to do it but our Frederik. Doyle actually look for confirmation on that in the past few days. It's actually wasn't confirmed but I think that's just a formality at this point. And then if Louisville goes down that road you don't get an appeal so what you're doing with the AARP is you're going to a judicial body if you will. That's that's made up with decorated people and law enforcement and who've worked in the courts etcetera etcetera but have no ties to the incidental. A they are a truly outsourced governing body. Okay and so the hope there is that you take everything that you have give it to them. The W we'll do the same and then reasonable people will take all of the information and decide. Okay here's what we have in. Here's how we choose to punish you. Were not in in in this way this way that way that way but whatever you get that's what you get. You cannot appeal unlike with the committee on fractions but to be fair the appeal success rate at the level is not that great as is but just keep that in mind going forward. I did want to just remind listeners. That because this is so interesting because Louisville's the only school connected to this. That had the father of a recruit testify in the case. I mean you have. This is the stuff that the answer is going to go to use against some of the stuff. I just don't see how little is going to be able to get out of the end. GonNa try and say listen. Adidas Christian Doctrines Jim these were boosters in effect with the school okay and gas. Nola WHO UNDER? Oh said that Rick Pitino known and I do believe that but you have Bowen accepting bone senior accepting a one hundred thousand dollar deal for Brian to Brooklyn Junior. Go and play at Louisville. Of course he actually received some of these details understand are hard to remember even after fact but just he received nineteen thousand five hundred dollars in a New Jersey parking lot in July of two thousand seventeen from new sued who eventually turned and became a witness for the government. That transaction happened okay. It's it's going to stick to him there. They got more money outside the Galt House. In Louisville we're Kenny. Jonsson gave Brian Bonin senior. Thirteen hundred dollars now. Johnson was reportedly surprised at this arrangement regardless it did happen and there were still more payments scheduled to be made and the only reason they didn't made was because the case broke they couldn't do anymore because the case ended because everything got exposed Christian doctrines had a semiautomatic rifles. Pulled on him in the middle of a hotel room in Manhattan in September. Two thousand seventeen. So there's a couple of other deals there as well but just as a reminder like a lot of the details here were corroborated on wiretaps or through testimony and while some stuff might be picked apart here and there I actually think that the NCWA has a fairly strong case against Louisville and its lack of compliance combined with that and the fact that it was on probation is why it makes it such an interesting case. Because I don't think it's going to get the full feel of hammer hair. Gp But I have a hard time believing who knows what could happen. But I have a hard time believing that we're going to look up. Eight ten fourteen sixteen months from now whenever this particular case is resolved which will be after Kansas. Which will be after. Nc State probably after Oklahoma state. There's GONNA keep coming down and we're going to say Wow Louisville. Got Scott Free. I just don't think that's a reasonable expectation. If you're a Louisville fan you just have to hope you can avoid. The worst of it in the worst of it to me would be a postseason ban any type of significant scholarship reductions and truly significant recruiting sanctions. That kind of handcuff your staff in terms of what they're able to do think it'll be aggressive but I don't think it will be It'll be something where you look up and you're like okay few the brow. I think it'll be somewhere in between that right and just sort of again hammer home. Exactly what we're dealing here with. I understand the argument that nobody on that campus has had anything to do with what happened but to me whether it's Chris and his staff or any of the student athletes who enroll there after the news broke after Rick. Pitino was fired it after you know that this is a possibility. It's a little bit like you're looking at a house and you're thinking about moving into this house buying this house and somebody says Melissa. Everything's fine right now but the air conditioner been acting funny. There's a cheap. It's it could go completely out within the next two years. Okay and you've got a really nice fence in the backyard. But I'm just saying I it's it's been there twenty years and it's you know leaning a little bit the wrong way and I. I'm just telling you it's likely that entire fits fault you're GONNA have to deal with that within the next three years and you say okay. I hear you I understand. I'm I'm moving in the house. Anyway that's what the staff did. And that's what these student athletes did. And so you can't really then. When the air conditioning unit goes out and the fence falls down go what now I got out of my pocket to fix this air conditioner and fix this offense like I didn't have anything to do with the damage to the air conditioner. The fans like you knew what you were walking into it. It is what it is. I can acknowledge it's not a perfect system but I just don't believe you can let programs repeat offenders get off if you will simply because they fired everybody who was involved program. The school has to be punished. And that's why I do think Louisville will be punished. Not nearly as bad I would assume as it would have been if it held onto Rick Pitino but but still but still somewhat significantly. You mentioned that I A P and that Memphis is the only school in there right now. I don't know if Louisville would go that route because the I for complex cases and the MEMPHIS CASES COMPLEX MEMPHIS PLAYING JAMES. Wiseman in defiance of the institute ABLAZE IDIOTIC. It was then and is now. It's what put them in this situation but it is a it's a unique case in the sense that you know it's not. Your typical booster bought a prospect for a school. That's that's the way it is interpreted in. The instability is a memphis booster bought a prospect for the University of Memphis. That's not really what happened. Hardaway bought James Wiseman for East High School. He really just wanted to win. A State Championship with James. Wiseman not not go to a final four with James. Wiseman now not naive enough to think that that payment to get him to move to East. High School didn't contribute to him. Also ending up at the University of Memphis but in the time that had happened it had nothing to do with the University of Memphis at the time that payment was made. Here's what was going to happen. James Wiseman was GONNA go to East High School for a couple of years and then he was GonNa go to Kentucky and play for John Kerry so that by definition just the way I explained it. It's complex case let's look at it in the AARP. I don't know of Memphis is going to regret it or not after the decision is rendered but that is by undeniably complex case. The local case is pretty straightforward. You got assistant coaches out there breaking rules and you've got a shoe company Involved in a pay for play scheme I don't really nothing. Nothing really complex cases no but unprecedented. Maybe because remember you also got Jordan Fair Cotton Hotel Room trying to work another deal For Balsa Caprivi who is now at Florida State? And so you have just a scenario here. Scenario there scenario there where it's all all encompassing and the Adva tyrod did say in the presser that they weren't leaning one way or the other in terms of that what they would recommend but he did just put it on the table so to speak. But you're right. The MEMPHIS DEAL IS MORE COMPLEX THAN LOUISVILLE. But I will say broadly speaking. I would expect. That will have at least a few schools. Try and go that route in this instance because they already probably feel like the debt could be stacked against them with the CEO is so why not try something new? I don't know if that will wind up being Lavar not but if they do think love a few schools that trying that if you look at Wrigley Doyle store in the star of the weekend like. I don't know that I would wanna go that route. I don't think like we won't know until we get a few examples of what this looks like. And and the punishments involved but you forfeit the right to have an appeal and like it's an FBI director investigating your program. Who wants that like like? They look at what they're looking at but if they find other stuff like they can burn they can rope that into the case as well coaches will tell you for decades. Now the last thing you want do is get an investigator on your campus. Because cain looking for they might not even find or find that. It's not a big deal but my God who knows what else they're gonNA find so I don't know that I'd want somebody used to work for the FBI digging through my basketball program unless it was absolutely avoidable. But like I said we're still in such a infancy phase with the AARP that I think it's difficult at this point even after reading doyle's column. I think it's difficult at this point to know if it's a good thing or a bad thing if you're a program dealing with With NC Double A. Violations but again we'll see Louisville now has ninety days to respond to the notice allegations and then I think has sixty days after that so this is a process and the last point. I'd WanNa make on. This is that I agree with you. Even if the punishment comes down I think the date use was Valentine's Day two thousand twenty one and I really hope that's not the day like I don't WanNa spend my Valentine's dealing with lables punishment. Everything's gotta be punishment for the following year. I am against in season. Postseason bans either administered by the incident. Play or self-imposed. I thought it was awful. What level did a few years ago when they self imposed postseason ban in the middle of season and ripped away the opportunity from those seniors? Some of whom were seniors who Grad transfers only went to Louisville to play in the incident of Lay Tournament Louisville. Took that away. I don't think I don't think schools should be able to do that. And I don't think the incident lay should administer a punishment that it affects a sees impacts sees if that season is already underway so hopefully whatever punishment Louisville gets if it comes in Valentine's Day two thousand twenty one it only impacts anything after the two thousand twenty twenty one season? Nothing before the two thousand twenty one twenty two season. That's fair right. Yeah that's what That's the the the little officials today by just if you didn't catch it. They were asked if they plan to self impose any penalties and the answer was one word. No so they're gonNA fight this what form they can fight it. I wish him luck. The the facts of the case don't seem to be on their side. The next question that people were asking after the news broke today. What does it mean for Rick Pitino? We'll get into that next but first check this out. Hey everybody it's Frank Stanford from Fantasy Baseball Today. Don't worry at a. Meser isn't going anywhere in neither is not. The season is delayed. But that just gives us more time to deep dive. Players ARGUE ABOUT RANKINGS. And find this year's could tell Martin regardless of what format you play in Rodeo points keeper Auction Dynasty. We've got you covered. We're here for you five days a week so make sure to download and subscribe to Fantasy Baseball. Today on Apple podcasts. Spotify and stitch bird. You're probably wondering how sports podcast can talk about sports with no live sports well. Nothing personal with David. Samson is more than just your ordinary sports podcasts. I'm David Sampson and I spent eighteen years as a president in Major League Baseball. And on this show you'll hear the truth about what's happening behind the scenes in the world of sports reading an talk entertainment with you. We are a part of the CBS sports podcast network. So nothing personal is available on apple spotify stitcher wherever else? Podcasts are found and as we all do our pardon. Continue to stay home and help flatten the curve remember. I'm here for you but it's just business. It's nothing personal. So Rick Pitino did not get a level one violation but he did get a level two violation a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. Rick released a statement and he plans to fight that charge but as much as I like Rick. Pitino could reasonably argue. He was promoting an atmosphere of compliance. When while on probation for having a staff member throw stripper parties in violation of rules. He's got literally two different assistance out there. Doing pay for play deals like that's A. That's a tough one. That's a little bit of a tough one here for Rick. Got Him it Not a great spot whereas I think we are. I think more agreement than we anticipated. Frankly in terms of how much we don't know what's to come with Louisville. I on like one hundred percent certain that Richton is going to face a suspension. I don't see how this is avoidable. Whatsoever now the length of it remains to be seen and I don't think that it will happen until the twenty twenty one twenty two season given the timing with all this by the way here was Patino statement. He said today the reason Noaa released in an alleged violation against me. I firmly disagree with salvation. We'll follow the protocols and addressing this allegation through the administrative process due to instability bylaws public disclosure on enforcement issues. I will have no further comment on this matter until it is resolved. Just for the record. Iona did put out a two sentence statement or three sentence statement said. We are aware of the report the insulation process to address the allegations prior to hiring coach. Pitino. We conducted extensive due diligence. We support coach. Pitino and expect them to respond within the process. If you're iona story hasn't changed. You knew this was coming and you get rid of Tino on your campus. You're GONNA take them any way possible and hope that he can bring the glory back to the Mac. I will note. Gps PATINO GETTING IONA to the elite eight by two thousand twenty four. So we'll see if that can go down. Pitino was charged with failing to promote an atmosphere of compliance. This is a broad interpretation by the incidentally that frankly is extremely hard to win over. You need to provide the amount of evidence that you have to provide to win over. That charge is almost impossible. And in fact in this case Patina will not be able to do it when you eliminate any of the other allegations and just get down to the facts that Pitino had the program on probation. He had two assistants who were caught breaking. Ncwa rules doing so while on probation that that alone in addition to the other things that are going to tack onto. Patino in particular is going to get him suspended now. The length of it remains to be seen in terms of how severe it is perish. But I think it's going to be a minimum of six games at this point you actually. He is subject to a show cause penalty because of the fact that he was on he was in charge of a program which then was a not. Just a repeat violator but I have to think that the timeliness of all this by the way is going to is going to play a part as well. There's a difference between. Let's say you run a program and you and you you run a foul in ninety two and then you're free and clear until two thousand seventeen. That's very different from heaven. An issue into the mid twenty tens and this resurfacing again in two thousand seventeen. So you with me here. You know in that. Pitino going to hit with the suspension. I I just don't see how it's avoidable I don't see audible. They can do up to a half of the season. So let's just say for the sake of the conversations ten games rick furious but like if you're I own or you're like okay do the Rick's associate head. Coach will handle ten games. And Guess What Rick. Pitino is still coaching at Iona. Like who cares so. Yeah like if I might like some people. This is the point I made when I own a hired rick. People were like will like what happens if what happens if want what. Okay Rick Pitino is GonNa miss half of a season you still Rick Pitino coaching. I own like it's still a win. In fact like I've had this conversation about the situation with other people. There's a bill self could be suspended for a year. Yes and somebody said well then you just got to fire him and I had a college coach. Say why just keep it just like the it a year. Okay if you fire bill self and have to hire somebody else in a year. Are you better off with that person or just having bill self you know they just keep bill self? Like pretend that he's like nobody was making light of anything but it was like pretend that he's been diagnosed with something that makes them have to step away from the sport for year but he'll be back in a year like when. Mick Cronin had to step away from Cincinnati for much of a season it was just like he'll be back to just treat it exactly like that so that's bill self at Keynes's with a year suspension. If it comes to that and it Keynes's you really can probably go out and hire something close to bill self to replace. Bill self coaches like bill self owner. You can't get anybody close to rip Patino so like if it's six games. Ten Games fifteen games. I I don't even care like I still got rick. Pitino as my coach. I'm good to go but you know I should. I should say I am somebody who does genuinely believe Rick. Pitino did not know about the stuff that's happened within his program like I. I've explained a million times. It is impossible for me to believe he knew about the stripper parties. If only because they were so reckless he would have shut them down or at least move them. You don't have them on campus in a dorm named after your late brother-in-law with cameras everywhere. Like that's just dumb like even if you you were ahead coat and believed that stripper parties was the way to get the recruits. You wanted you were signing off on it. You'd be like take off campus like did you. Don't bring it onto campus where there's cameras everywhere so there's just no way you ever convince me. He knew about those with the Brian. Bow and stuff I do. I don't I don't think he knew but I think it's only if I'm being I don't think it's only because he just didn't want to know the incident. Blake even made that point like you should've known you knew other schools were bidding for him. You knew that you hadn't really recruited him but suddenly somebody's reaching out to you. Ask if you want and like every red flag was there. If you wanted to see it you just chose not to see it and so when you know but but still like do I think Rick Pitino knew how much money Adidas had agreed to give Brian Bowen senior. No I think but only like I mentioned resupply. Maybe multiple recent PODCASTS. I'm watching succession. And there's a point in season one where somebody's talking to somebody else about something and they just stay stop. I don't need to know anything else that you're saying. I don't want to hear this. Just do you do what you need to do. And I don't I don't know enough. I don't need to hear this. I essentially think that's what happened with Rick but again when you've got in a span of a couple of years one assistant coach throwing stripper parties to other assistant coaches involved in pay for play schemes separately. Like it's impossible to convince anybody. You are promoting an atmospheric compliance. I actually set in and I. Don't think puzzling mommy telling the story so. I'll just tell the story L. I probably told it fifty times before but I was at Virginia Tech in buzzes first year. And I actually sat in on a coaching coaches meeting in his entire staff in there and he had a copy of his contract and I forget how much was guaranteed but it was lots of millions of dollars in contract and buzz was talking to a staff and he said the only way they don't give me all of this money. Let's just say it was like twenty million dollars the only way they don't have to pay me. Every penny of this money is if I or you get caught violating. Ncwa rules. So I am telling you do not cost me twenty million dollars under no pressure to get players if it comes at if it comes with a goes hand in hand with you costing me twenty twenty million dollars. We're not going to do it. I would rather have no players. Then lose twenty million dollars because one of you did something stupid so i WanNa make it very very clear. This is one of those where I don't need to know. Go Out and do your thing. I'm telling you you do not cost me twenty million dollars and if I find out you're putting me in a situation where it might cost me twenty million dollars then. I will fire you immediately. Now he might have been doing that in front of me just so that if it ever came to it if he ever got hit with a failure to promote a atmosphere compliance. And you could have me talk to the incident. Play and say listen. I don't know if that's going to help the case like Gary Gary was there when I told my staff when I was promoting atmosphere of compliance. But like either way he did that with Rick Either. One of two things happened here either. He didn't make it crystal clear to his assistant. Coaches dudes like. We used to do what we used to. Do you guys use to do what you used to do. But we're on our last leg year. Now we get involved in something else. It's it's over for all of us. You can't do anything. He didn't make that crystal clear to them while promoting and atmospheric appliance or he did his assistance. Just didn't care either way. That's a problem. I think you know. Rick is paid an enormous price you know. He's coaching ione. Instead of Louisville but he will pay an additional pricing. It will be a suspension. I don't see any way that I will I do WANNA credit Our friend Sam with Yahoo because he brought this up when all. This is coming out earlier on Monday. that I mentioned that the show cost. That's because there could be aggravating factors on top of the level to violation so he's quoting from the instability rule here Bylaw nineteen point nine point. Three one aggravating factor would be a history of level one or level two major violations by the by the involved individual which came Back in two thousand seventeen win. Patino violated Responsibility rules when he didn't Probably monitors program and then another one. could be other factors warranting a higher penalty And families Tweet here says at. The type of team failed to promote compliance in the men's basketball program as detailed an allegation number three as he was awaiting a decision from the painting on fractions and subsequently subject to a show cause order as a result of this decision a level one head coach responsibility infraction. So there could still be more things that come Land Pitino's doorstep. Here will wait and see on that overall. I don't think it will get to aggressively bad against him. But it's not without its within the realm of possibility overall. Gp But I will say you know looking back on on this now. We are coming up on three years since Bowen Brian Bowen Junior committed to Louisville. And when that happened he was a five star prospect. He was the only committed five star prospect and. I want to say like three weeks. Before he committed to Louisville. That's when I just kind of started asking around here and they're like what's with this one kid. His his his finalist list always change. The schools aren't remotely connected. Obviously it was fishy but I was just trying to get a better read on it. And it's like you already know the deal here in the point is I already knew the deal. Patino not knowing. The deal is not acceptable. Okay he doesn't WanNa know it and for guys who have been involved in basketball since the seventies and still be like we. I mean talk about luck luck. We got this five star. That's coming in next season that commits to us. I didn't even recruit the kid I when we talked about this when the FBI step. I popped like one of the points. I made the only other time I could remember a coach telling a recruiting story like Rick's recruiting story with Brian. Bowen in Rick Story was just like you said we didn't even recruit him phone rings one day. They're like hey. Would you be interested in Brian? Bolland I'm like a couple of weeks later. He's on campus and he's committed like boom. It was amazing and never seen anything like it. The only other time it ever heard a coat. Tell a similar story about a five star recruit. Tim Floyd Oh Jimmy Tim Floyd story about. Og Mail was the same thing phone rings one day. Somebody's not male is considered the best high school prospect that America. And somebody call my 'cause you hey would you be interested in? Oj May own. Tim's like I guess what if you don't know I don't even WanNa go down the path of if you don't of course you know you. Just here's the truth if you want me to rationalize it from Rick's perspective. Here's the if you're Rick Pitino. You're like all right. Listen this is clearly fishy. I I know what's going on but I know this program over here is taken players the exact same way. Maybe there's a program in my own state taken player the exact same way. I'm just GONNA like. Why do I need to be the guy to turn away the five star prospect? I'm not the one. Get my hands dirty. I'm not the one prompted anybody. Anything like all these other players are enrolling. All these other places was shoe company. Help why do I to be the one to stand up and say well no? I know that this can't be on the up and up. Why do I gotta be that? Guy? This is why why does Williams could never trust you to be the guy to go the instead cousin. Dan Programs already on probation. This happening. That's why I tell you what I. In retrospect I mean Boeing's commitment to Louisville really signaled one of the more disruptive moments I guess one of the more disruptive commitments in Modern College History. Because it's the pledge that really helped the government's case that would lead to the arrest and guilty charges against ten men for wire fraud conspiracy other all those other charges and it set the table for what happened later that year in college basketball isn't the only thing. But it was like Boeing. Going to play for Louisville was at the centerpiece of the of the first of the two trials. There it's obviously the commitment that pushed a hall of fame coach out of the job that he thought he finished out his career at Louisville Athletic Director. Tom George fired and so much more. It's I mean if we could go back in time to mid. May of two thousand seventeen and just like say. Hey listen. There's going to be a commitment. That's coming here and you can't even imagine how much just general noise and disruption millions upon millions of dollars. Taxpayer dollars are going to be put into this with college basketball. It's fascinating to look back on it. And it all came when Bowen and his father really agreeing to To a six figure payment from Adidas and dolphins and all that It's it's something else man so anyway Last thing I got us I just I just think that Patino can't avoid all this. You just gotTa hope that the exacerbating charges. Don't come into play as well because it does. Then we might look at more than just a simple six or ten game suspension. Do you know how much I miss. May of two thousand seventeen would kill to be in. May of two thousand seventy I hear Ya I know I I mean we are recording. Bless my lovely wife. I love you Diane. I'M GONNA say it on a podcast to I don't know how many people she'll never hear this. Today's are at seven year wedding anniversary. And I'm spending the evening hour with Gary Parrish Talking About frigging Brian Bowen Louisville and Rick Pitino. There's not even the worst part. The worst part is because you're option was like to what you want to go to a nice dinner or even go to the grocery store without a mask like the whole like I got. I should always say this. I don't want anybody to think otherwise I've got it better than most families healthy We're doing okay relatively speaking. But like I got down this weekend like I found myself just SORTA. I don't WanNA use the word depressed because that's a a a legitimate term and people really do struggle with depression. I'm not struggling with depression but I felt I just felt down. I felt miserable. Like this is an awful way to live. And we're not going to be lifting the other white for a while. Well I mean you. You appear to have options because a lot of people are starting to Oh Dude you better be glad you live where you live instead of where I live. I'm I am. Connecticut is keeping it. Stay at home orders in place for a few more weeks here and I'm completely fine with that will we'll grin and bear it and and do it out but yeah no south done with it at that. They're over. It said you know what I don't care anymore. I one of my neighbors actually said to me. I don't care if I get it. He just said if I get it. I'll probably be fine and if I'm not was just too bad but I'm not. I'm tired of living this way. So he had eight kids playing basketball on his yard the other day. It's wild I. It's it's so depressing. It's if you think about it because like I was talking with my white like down here. Stores can reopen restaurants can reopen. My wife owns a store. She has not reopened yet. She's been allowed to for nearly two weeks now. She's just hasn't opened yet. But is this is really the world like it's going to be this way for a while like the next time you go into a restaurant and eat a meal like you did in. January is maybe a year away Yup. What in what happened. I'm about to go do a little red velvet cupcake action here. Okay so all right. Hey seven years. What did bless yes. Yes yes or no. Oh bless her. No I don't even WanNa know what you're GONNA ask here. Okay I didn't I I D- D- biding night. Of course not work. Of course not. You're bite or you don't even bite on your. I am not and that has not a has not been the case however you will. You will propagate the lion that it's just fine as we close. GimMe one each share. Even though it's not your wedding anniversary it might as well be ours you may GP in addition to me in my own wife here. Give me one quick story about your wedding day and I got. I got one for you as well. You my wife and I got married in Jamaica. I did not know that really were well. We were young and we didn't have. I mean like we were young. My wife was twenty one years old when we got married and we didn't have much money beat writer working at a newspaper. She was a college student. Steel and so neither one of our parents come from money. It was just it made more financial sense to just leave the country and get married and then. I didn't want to. I felt bad because most of my friends were like me. They didn't have money to go to Jamaica. I felt bad now. I have subsequently gone out of the country for other friend's weddings. But I felt bad asking anybody to go because I didn't want pull who didn't have the money together to go because they felt obligated to go so we went alone and we got married. And my best man was a Jamaican do that. I've never met and okay. You know this is all a real story because you have a witnesses. You'd have people in the thing. I shouldn't say best Mike. He's my best friend now whereas he can he can he? Now get the shouts. I think his name is like on our weddings. GotTa Find Find It. And he's got to get a shout on the next episode. Get it done. It's actually sad like it's it's it's this like I don't really care but like my I think my wife looks back on it with some regret. There there are many reasons variety of reasons but Like why did we even do it period but now my wedding day was not. There's nothing great about it. We we were too young people who didn't have a money to do it. The right or at least we didn't think we did. Maybe that maybe that was more of the case the night but like I don't I don't have this great wedding store. I got a lot of good ones but I will I'll save them all. Share one but for the record you were invited to the wedding and you didn't do member why of course you know. I think I had to host something yet a some BS. Yeah you had to do something but I think it was fixing classic with that it was it was may fourth so it was actually when when. I got married it was. It was a Saturday so like the Kentucky Derby run that day. I assume you had to do something. Related to the Kentucky Derby happening locally but by the Kentucky Derby I think it was if I remember correctly I had to host something you did. I'm sure it was some contractual thing. So you didn't you did not You did not attend awesome day genuinely like the our wedding kick ass and And we had our friends to this day. It'd be like years. The one the one we got married in Stanford Connecticut but we had a Fryer who married us. And you know. I was just so excited about that day. I didn't really have any sort of nerves or anything like that. But let's say we were scheduled to let's say the Let's say the wedding getting married. Part of it was about at four thirty. Let's say it was supposed to start like four twenty three rolls around in. No one knows where the dude that's supposed to marry us as at and so I like it then it gets like. I'm on the state we got married in like this cool big tent and the way it was working with Diane will walk in from the hotel and and and kind of emerge around. The corner was awesome. But it's like it's like four twenty three and I'm up there with. I have three younger brothers and then three of Two A two buddies. I went to college within my my brother-in-law so I I six groomsmen so we're all up there and he's not there yet and it's getting to. I actually had another buddy from college in the audience who I don't remember all the details around it but he you know how you can get ordained online. He done that like he had done that like five years before so I was no exaggeration. I was about sixty seconds away from stepping down off the platform. Bashir and go up to my bud Bashir and being like dude. I think you've got to marry me right now. I don't know where this damn friar is. I don't know like I was getting legitimately nervous and just as I'm about to do it His name his name was Matthew Friar Matthew turns a corner and there appears and I'm like So it was like the one part of the entire day rows like Oh God thank God thank God. I didn't realize how tense my body was getting because it was like can't do this to my wife can't have no one marrying us can't have this but he So we got married in Stanford Connecticut and those who know the area It can it can get some serious traffic and stuff like that and he apparently got lost but we got it done in time and it was an amazing got Jamaican you know. Here's my wedding day. We woke up probably with hangovers from the night before went down at the beach. Hung out for a little while then looked at the clock and was like Oh. It's two o'clock we're getting married in our. Let's go get ready boom. Go get ready. You know I get I get my my best friend my my best Jamaican Fran. We go through the little you know. Say all the words and she says all the where she's supposed to say kiss the bride. We cut up a cake with with our friends and then we went back inside and change back into our brains back to beach. Oh my gosh I never knew any of this. It's actually said I mean that like I look back on it with. I don't look back with regret getting married like Van. I got three amazing boys incredible family but I wish that I wish that we had done it differently. I guess just differently. Like my wife didn't have her mom at her wedding. Like the her as it should. Okay real quick because then like I I gotta go like I got obviously but what. What Year did you get married? Please tell me you remember two thousand three all right so twenty twenty three. We renew the vows. We do it right right there in Memphis. I'm putting it on the table right now. You got you got three years and we should be able to convene as a normal society by then. I would really hope we see as Minton doing that before. Like like you know really having our friends you should apps. I'm not I'm not joking with you. This would be incredible. Okay get some classic anecdotes for the PODCAST. You got three years to prep. Maybe I gotTa make some calls here. We should honestly. You should make that happen. I don't think I don't think you would regret it whatsoever and it would be and you know what actually it would be as well by the way there's There's this I can't remember told me that this there's one thing that's always true about a wedding with you. It's actually has been true as well is. You'll get all these people and Ramona's awesome like I'm still so close with so many people but there's always at least one person who will go to your wedding and then you will never see them again and it's true. There have been a couple of people that we've not seen since our wedding day for you. Twenty Years Post. It would actually be like strongly. And so that was true. Because you're Jamaican Dude. You haven't seen him again for you. a party of three or four essentially. And and. Yeah so there you go but you would. You would truly be able to to bring in a party at people that have been representative of who have been in your life for so long and then have been part of it now in in our task your kids and all that stuff so yeah twenty twenty three. Let's make it happen. Let's get it done. Probably it'd probably be sweet. I'll put it I'll put it on the possible to do list in the meantime shout down. He shouts at Chester South Carolina. Jousted TERRY MFN teagle edge. Just to learn now. Please go on college. Basketball podcast. Apple podcast rated favourably five-star comments. And we will talk to you again. Real soon tilden take care the PGA tour has an official return date and the first cut on the CBS. Sports podcast network is here to get you prepared for. Golf's return in June joined. Mark Immelman Kyle Porter Greg. Ducharme and myself regained. Were still coming at you three times a week with the latest news interviews and flashbacks. So what are you waiting for? Come join our group. 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Staying Great

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Staying Great

"It's time for another edition of Prime Time Layers. We asked are. Nba Experts to rank the best team players in the NBA. Right now. We kicked off the list. Jimmy Butler at number fifteen number. Fourteen is the answer to our trivia question this all-star. Nbp has six all star appearances since entering the League in twenty eleven. So who could be? Listen next I take the prime time. Players ranking is Kyrie Irving despite only playing twenty games a season irving recorded two fifty point games one of four players this season with multiple such games putting on a show. It's just after being drafted first overall out of Duke. He has won rookie of the year in NBA title and an Olympic gold medal irving puts it up talk player number fourteen nets guard Kyrie irving all right. You heard a number fourteen kyrie Irving Max Kellerman. You are up first. One word to describe Kyrie radio active careers radioactive look. I've said he's the most skillful player in the history of basketball. I don't mean he has the wisdom as to no winter deploy his skills. How much of it? And when that that wisdom he does not yet have to the extent that some of the greatest players ever had but skills wise I when you include the handles the shot the finishing in the paint. What does he do? Passing appeasing great on the offense then a skillful a player as ever existed so yes a lot of power there. But what radioactive actually means? Is You have an unstable nucleus. If you harness that energy you have you know nuclear energy which can be an incredibly good thing and Lebron. James was able to harness that energy and help us. Kyri to beat the warriors game seven at Oracle the year the warriors. One seventy three games but left without someone who knows how to harness that energy and that includes Kyrie himself he can have a destructive kind of instability can have a of the nucleus of the team can have a destructive a deleterious effect on the team. I give you I the Celtics and then the Brooklyn Nets. Both in both instances. You took a talent like reports the team and they actually got better. That should never happen. Incredibly powerful but not fully stable enough to really harness that power. All the time radioactive. Well thank you. Dr Phil Kelemen appreciate that psychological breakdown. I'm so touched by it. My word would be special. Ed because the brother is special is not just that he's averaging twenty seven. There are a lot of good basketball players in the NBA. Very few are great. He's one of the great ones. Then you take into account the fact that he is a showstopper. He is box office. Kyrie Irving you walk through the turnstiles to watch this show that his brother is capable of putting on as you said in the past. He might have the greatest handle in the history of basketball. This is a league. Dentist at odds. Ahah Thomas Alan Iverson. Nate tiny archibald excetera. And you might say that Kyri Irvine has the greatest handle in history about. Let me not forget Chris Paul to all right still Kyrie Irving is that Konadu radioactive and all of that stuff you can use debt. My response would beat the. Boston situation is an example. He didn't handle a lot of things in terms of personal life so well that particular year. No doubt about that last year you walk into a new situation new guys Kenny. Atkinson with somebody that they like. But a lot of guys didn't believe in and should've then believe should have been the head coach and Lo and behold he is gone. Jot Von was your interim coach for two games. He was but he ain't going be the damn head coach. The Brooklyn Nets next season. It'll probably be tied Lou or more Jackson Tyler with beaver front runners if they're smart and so when you look at it from that perspective we talk about the Brooklyn Nets and what the expectations are. It's the combination of Kevin Durant with Kyrie Irving. He is special is the ideal. Could he have work? Things out with. Lebron stayed in Cleveland. Yes but deliver them from getting a championship. Noah did not they WANNA title? He's been right because by the way and the two finals that whole wait a minute into two finals that he was there. The average twenty seven and twenty nine respectively. If I remember correctly he was that elite. Okay so when I look at him. I'm saying Yeah. You could say radioactive. I can't summarily pooh-poohed that I get all that but the bottom line is this brother is so special talent. He is box office. You walk through the turnstiles to watch him. He's electrifying. He's skilled and by the way he's the champion too. We can't forget all of that. I think wrestle as you surp- Radioactive Lebron. Lebron knew how to harness. That material knew how to harness the energy and focus it. That's what I'm saying Stephen A. Absent Lebron presence or a coach. Who REALLY BUYS INTO? He's going to have a negative effect on the team. We've seen it too often and that should never happen because you say that. I've sat here and said he might have the best handles of all time. I took it much further than that Stephen A. Even in this segment I think he might be the most skillful offense of player of all time off to you are skilled because on the one hand you have to acknowledge the handles might be the best. Everett's right up there. It's it's not number one and now of all those players with handles who could shoot. Light Cavalry. Well then you go Steph Steph. Could certainly question in the paint like Kyrie will let me ask you this question to give you the answer in the segment. You're the same. God Max Kellerman. That pointed out that it's like you saying about Lebron harnessing that you also said that Lebron could have done a better job to keep Kyri from leaving to begin with as well so what about radio. Active materials hard to handle brother. All right. That's consistent. We're radio then. Okay by the Way Guy. Special radioactive a Kyrie made news yesterday because he said that he wants Kemba one on one. Obviously we know. He took his job on the Celtics. So we'll up to discuss that at later. Date to some interest by him. There should be televised car. Reverses put data with Taiwan put put put thought TV. Stephen you can do play by play on zoom. I'm there for all of it. Gets you access to licensed agents twenty four seven which means that? Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like your wife when you forget your keys at work. And you get my text. I am looking for the spare Hausky. Maybe I can get through. The window. Turns OUT THE ALARM WORKS. It works fast. You should probably call me Back Guy. Go always there for you with savings and twenty four seven access to licensed agents obviously episodes seven and eight aired last night and who better to break it down our friend. The Great Michael Willmann joining us now. Always good to see you. Michael I know that Max Stephen. I cannot wait to get into this with you but Michael just for a little context here assuming most people know you're Chicago native you know Michael Jordan you know these. Both teams intimately. I want the fells to win on this too. But what has surprised you so far about the Docu series. Well Molly did little bits and pieces. That have surprised. Lisa for starters like Jerry Krause telling Phil Jackson Eighty two and you still not coming back. I. I don't think I knew that in real time. And even though I knew about the kinds of drama drip by drip drip. I think what has surprised me even in reliving. It is the amount of drama that bulls had to manage by the Bulls. Let's talk about two different teams almost in those six championships but Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan were the real managers. I mean Jerry Krause while he put the team together managing the daily drama. I mean the the dentist Robin Drama alone could have been a fulltime job for somebody but then you had you had all sorts of things like how many shots and whose team was how many minutes played the things that normally confront basketball team. You have these massive things whether it was dealing with Jerry Krause bringing Tim Floyd another coach into the team. While Phil Jackson is successfully leading them to championships and krause wanting to break up the team in the drama between Scottie. Pippen and Jerry Krause and Michael Jerry Custom Phil Jackson Jury. Cross you just episode after episode. Michael losing his father being murdered during the time coming back. There's just so much drama that teams don't face anymore. I don't know the any successful team has faced it and managed it quite like those guys did Michael Will. It is always on an privilege to have my big Bro on the show. His listened if you want to know anything about Michael Jordan from a media perspective shot obviously would be first on the list. I can make a legitimate argument that Mike will bond is second on that list maker. Damn show before me. Let me let me ask you this question. Watching these watching the first eight episodes who looks the worse in this Docu series? You got people complaining about Jordan. I love what I'm seeing from him and his candor but other people have been critical people have been critical of Scottie. Pippen have been critical of Isaiah. Thomas who has taken the biggest and your estimation over these first eight episodes aid there's only one villain there's one villain and he's deceased. He cannot defend himself. Is Jerry Krause? The reason you have a title call. The last dance is because there was something final about it when it didn't need to be final remember. Michael has said many times before now. I don't know that it was as public as it is. Certainly to people like you and me that you play until somebody beats you. And that's what he wanted to do. And Jerry. Krause didn't want that I mentioned bringing in Tim. Floyd I mean you got Phil Jackson. Guy Who's going to go on to more championships as a coach than anybody in the history of the sport that anybody in the history of sports in North America I think and you want to get rid of him you tell you can go eighty two. And he's still not coming back. And it's sort of unseemly at times to criticize Jerry Krause but Steven A. And you know this Max. I'm not sure how much you knew of crowds in real time. But Jerry was a villain when he was alive he knew what he was doing. He was both Brill. He constructed this team. You know trading for Scotty pippin before draft night essentially to get Seattle to be a partner in net move then trading Charles Oakley which was unconventional. Say That lead to get. Bill Cartwright and playing time for Horace Grant with one move to get Toni Kukoc Indus- second round to get all we did to bring in Phil Jackson even know people didn't want that Michael Want that. He wanted to play for Collins. Jerry Krause is villa. He's gotta own it posthumously. I know it seems tough to do that. But you can't tell the story of any last dance or the Chicago Bulls as they reached the end without Jerry. Krause is enormous role in it. Mike the old branch rickey a year too early instead of a year too late. Of course basketball's not baseball and krause came from baseball originally basketball and then worked in baseball and obviously the Bulls would have won a couple more championships. When you look at who else won the championships? How they fared against teams like Scotty goes to Portland all almost knocks out the Lakers. The year they win the chip. What would you don't with Michael Jordan and Tony Coup Coach and company? So clearly krause is the villain there but Stephen as brought this up and I've had the same thought watching Reinsdorf gets to sit there and kind of also point to krause. He's the owner. If he wanted to pay Scottie Pippen he could have done it if he wanted to. Keep the team together. The buck stops with him so the I can't say it surprised but I feel a little bit like I want to take a shower. After watching vines dwarf sitting there helping focus the villain light onto krause. Who's not here to defend himself? Well Max you race good points and and people talk all the time. Have PEOPLE SAY. Wait a minute how come jerry gets a slide and is this something you have to consider before criticising Jerry Ryan store. He's not like Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder or owner Mark Cuban who owns an enormous share. If not all of it. That's not the case. Not then I don't know what. The percentage Jerry Reinsdorf owns now but I remember reading certainly that that percentage was like thirteen twelve thirteen percent. The Jerry Reinsdorf had the sort of autonomy if you will to do the things you're talking about Jerry. Reinsdorf had partners. I'm not saying it functioned like Brooklyn. 'cause obviously functions a hell of a lot smoother than the Brooklyn situation with all the guys they had but Jerry Krause was not the outright owner people need to understand that majority. Maybe the partner Ryan I mean He. I don't know that he could have said. We're GONNA pay Scottie. Pippin at the time we would have been what you know fifty million dollars total instead of nineteen or whatever it was. I don't know I don't know that he didn't but I'm not sure he did. So we have to be careful about REINSDORF and just sort of putting on him the mantle of dictator. He wasn't Jerry. Jones wasn't the relationship or the situation that epic Docu series. The last dance we saw episode seven and eight on Sunday. Michael Wilbon back here with us. Chicago native always good to have you. Sir Stephen a did you wanna get into something. I I was going to start with Scottie Pippen. Yeah go for it. I wanted to start. I know we gotta go to Scotty Pippin but I wanted to start off with Charles Barkley because obviously we all love Charles. Barkley Mike will bond. I know how close you to are. He tried to basically imply that. Michael Jordan with the Steve Kerr's of the world the Scott Burrell's of the world. I forgot the word that he used but this discretionary bullying whatever. I don't think that was the words. But that's basically where he was going towards. What were your thoughts when you heard what Charles Barkley had to say about Michael Jordan and in regards to his treatment of his teammates. Well look everybody's gotTa take on Michael and how? He was on teammates. I mean that's so far Houston. What's that selective? Prosecution was the words he used select prosecution. As we'll start me said look everybody had a different leadership style. The reason part of the reason for this documentary of the reasoning exists is because Michael decided. Okay I'm going to be able to control the conversation in terms of why I did what I did and how I did it. I it comes out and says you know you've had this conversation with him. He wasn't trying to adopt anybody else's leadership style. He was going to do this his way. And when it worked then you had to buy and you heard him during. I thought the most effective part of the last dance. The part that made me reach for a notebook and put my reporter hat back on his wall. Michael said winning has a price. And if you don't want to buy into the mentality I am using here. Get out it's going to be is going to be held for you. I think was the phrase so you see all those teams you see will produce e Winnington and those guys set at the time that we did it. Seem like he crossed the line. Yes as time went on. Do we think he was a great teammate. Yes this is not you look you can have whatever take you. WanNa have on it and I understand Charleston's tape because it was different but nobody else then time when as much I mean magic and Kareem on the way in but it worked and so I even sit there interesting. I'm watching in real time. I have not watched. I did not watch all the episodes of the advanced like most people in our business. I wanted to watch them in real time with my son. Who's a twelve year old basketball player and his eyes get so big? When Michael says certain things to his teammates we are watching. The unedited version would not watch the PG rated version of the DEUCE. And he's like. Wow He's a dad. Did he have to do that with his teammates? And I'm like I don't know if he had to but it worked they won. They didn't win occasionally they didn't win three and then lose to that they should have one say like Golden State they won and Jordan way worked. And so I I understand Charleston's take on it or if anybody else has to take on it but I understand Michael's as well. He's giving his take through these ten parts in this series in a way the football parallel to Jordan is actually coaches bellichik. Where his way is not the fun way? It just works the best but Michael. I wanted to ask you about something that the document the documentary. The last couple of episodes kind of got across that Seattle was a hopeless underdog in that finals. And that really spoke. Boorda Michael Jordan and the Bulls Dominant. Seattle is a sixty four win. Ten sixty four win team. Who would sweat back to back? Defending champion rockets who beaten in a seven game series Utah. Who would get out of the West two seasons in rural right after this season and they had a great team? Sixty four win team that Jordan. Just kind of brushed aside. How much do you think? Jordan's legacy what are you thinking to Jordan's legacy that. He never went to a seventh game that no other team was ever considered like. There's no Celtics Lakers 'cause Jordan was there otherwise maybe jazz or the Lakers right. We're the Celtics or that. Great rival what do you think it did to Jordan's legacy that he was as dominant as he was. Well enhanced it. I mean that just legacy reputation in real time in enhanced. The there's there's that Video going around where talks about you. Know Lebron's record in game seven Jordan answers. What what's the game seven? And so obviously he had a tough game sevens three actually on the way one he lost to Detroit which was sort of infamous also then. He beat the Knicks in a game game. Seven and Indiana and I think the toughest team they played a once. They became champions. Were the Indiana Pacers? Reggie Miller's Pacers Larry Bird's pacers coach so it enhance his legacy without question and is interesting. Because you know people wanNA say in part. Oh well it just shows the. He didn't have the tough competition. That's a bunch of garbage. Look at the people that Jordan took down along the way including at the very end Stockton Malone twice. You know Gary Payton who is one of the great players unsung maybe. Because he played in Seattle I mean he and Shawn Kemp they. You mentioned Max. Their resume they were grady? Took down those Cleveland Cavaliers Teams Group of four with Mark Price from Brad Door to and Ron Harper. Took him down twice so the list of victims is unbelievable. I wrote about that last week so I don't want to hear from people that Oh they couldn't get him to a game seven so maybe therefore it points that they were lightweight. It does not do any such thing. Michael I want to get to the Scottie. Pippen Situation Though. I just know him as the broadcaster guy working with them and this has been interesting to watch because I there was the situation with the timing of his surgery dealing with the injury and then these last couple of episodes we saw the situation where he decided to sit out in a playoff game. How do you think he looks? How do you think he's being portrayed in this Docu series? Well you know like you. I have now known Scotty. Outside of basketball for seems like close to half his life. 'cause it's close to that he's been in our business and a CO worker now colleague and Co worker and I feel for Scotty because the retelling of the one point eight seconds anytime you retell. It is good. Look he's going to look bad. I mean there's no way around that You hear Steve Kerr and Michael Jordan. Bill Cartwright Horace Grant talk on camera. This last Sunday night about how that was as teammate Jordan was gone but he's still part of the organization. Obviously it makes got. He looks bad in that. In the retelling Scottie Pippen. That's okay. That's his worst moment as any of us any of us want to be judged on solely our worst moment Scottie. Pippen is one of two players. Who is in that outfit for all six championships to Michael? Scottie and my position is not just. His Robin to Michael's Batman is more like Gehrig to Jordan's Babe Ruth Again. Looks bad you can't. You can't make excuses for that episode. But Scottie Pippen got such a body of work my God. He's got years worth of work if that was all he had or he had that a couple of trips in the finals where they lost. Then you couldn't make this argument Marg. Is Scottie Pippen is one of the. Maybe the most underrated player of his generation and an extraordinary player. And there is that moment and it has to be dealt with but that does not color all of. He's career not to me when there's so much else on his resume. Wilpon I completely agree with you about Scottie. Pippen and his greatness and what he means to the game of basketball and how it should be appreciated. The only part that I would jump off in terms of sharing European jumped off that wagon. Is that Scotties. Own Words. Indict him his whole words about. I didn't want to F- up my summer. That's why I didn't get the surgery. The summer going into the last season even though it meant me missing the first thirty five games in the season and potentially compromising a championship a he admitted that he said that. And then and this part eight apart seven. What did he say he said? I probably would have done it again in terms of sitting out so I don't think it's the actual act themselves. We can all give a mistake by such greatness but the fact that he said he would do it again. I think that's an indictment where I sorry for somebody. I could make the argument Isaiah. Thomas deserves more sympathy. He listened to bill. Laimbeer walked off the court when they finally lost in the conference finals to the Chicago Bulls and what some could argue. It cost them a berth on the Dream Team obviously when we think about NBA law even though we recognize him as a top champion and one of the greatest players to have ever played in so we still hold on to the mistakes he made. Even though unlike Scottie Pippen he said about how to do it over again. I would not have done it Steve. I don't disagree with anything you say. Look I think we look when you can have a dustup with someone and people can judge what side they want to be on? And that's largely what we're talking about with Isaiah and you and I have talked Zia during this period of time. Multiple Times I know is as Thomas. He isn't we know you can set aside. His place in history is there. It doesn't get questioned. It BE THREATENED. He led a team to two championships. Back to back going through Larry. Michael Jordan Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Like pays close and I agree with you about people started talking about Kyrie Irving Allen Iverson who are great soloists great performers. They were not Isaiah. Thomas when Isaiah said to Kevin Durant and Lebron James. Those guys would have dominated the eighties. Ninety I call him and I said I totally disagree with because they couldn't beat your team. Those whose more athletic than Isaiah Thomas. Even now playing the Game Kyri. I mean maybe two percent better. I don't know here's the basketball player or the leader or the winner that Isaiah Thomas with Isaiah to me you can set aside his place in history. And then you could argue the merits of should he bit on the Dream Team. What kept him off. The Dream Team in Jordan passed this you can. You can deal with all those things. Those those those sidebars but Isaiah. Thomas is place in history. I don't WanNa hear from anybody questions. What he was as a player and a leader. Don't WanNa hear it fair enough Michael Wilpon so much fun. Having you on the show it is always good to see you and I love that. You're watching this with your son in real time such special moments that you get to enjoy. We're all having fun watching this every Sunday. Obviously the last two episodes are this Sunday. Michael Thank you. Kindly stay safe. We'll talk to you soon thank you. Let's get it. Typically Receiver Mike Evans appeared on an instagram. Live session with former bucks or super. Louis Murphy had this to say about his new quarterback the opportunity to get Tom Brady like that's Tom Brady. That's the greatest of all time. He's a franchise changer like ticket. Sales are GonNa go through the roof. Like Primetime Games in hander stands the game of football like nobody else understands that level besides the greats and it's GonNa be great to work with him joining us now. Our quarterback Danner Lobski and Stephen. I'll start with you. You think. Radio at forty three is still a franchise quarterback. I think he will be this season. That's my direct answer to that question. He will be a franchise quarterback this season because I think he has the requisite weapons available to him to cover any mistakes that he makes to minimize the mistakes that he might normally make because he doesn't have to force anything guys are going to be open. God when Evans are GonNa be open braid. Our they're going to be open with Gronkowski. Somebody's going to be open and Brady is going to get them to football. And I have profound evidence to support my my assertion. Jameis Winston yes. He threw thirty sections. Yes he should be the reigning defensive player of the year at the quarterback position. Considering the fact that he's a thirty for thirty guy giving new meaning to that off. But guess what? He did throw thirty three touchdowns he did throw five thousand five thousand one hundred and nine yards Jameis Winston and so I look at that and I look at a guy like Tom Brady. Who hasn't thrown more than thirteen interceptions in a season in more than a decade and I look at the requisite weapons. He's going to have available to him. Those players around him will make him. Look like a franchise quarterback. Because remember as I've said to Max on a thousand occasions I have never in my life seen fake quarterback successful throwing the football to himself. You GotTa have people that know football too. He has that now. He has those weapons and I think that he will look like a franchise quarterback this coming season. No question maximum. 'cause I teed it up to St Stephen's thing franchise quarterback which obviously he is Stephen Agrees. But what I meant to say was franchise changing quarterback like in. He still changed. The face of this franchise like what Mike Evans alluded to so my apologies. There exactly what he's GonNa do. I mean look what he's going to go Jameis. Winston won seven games last year with this offense statistically a pretty good defense as it turns out and a lot of weapons and won seven Games Stephen. Thirty interceptions giving the other team one hundred twelve points. You could argue. That's the worst starter. Who played the whole season and football last year right? That's a hell of a defensive player of the year Candidacy Stephen as you mentioned. And so if you ask. Does Tom Brady even in decline improve your chances over that I would say yes. Especially when you give them the Security Blanket Rob Gronkowski on top of an embarrassment of riches on the offense and then you get them atop. Listen mock drafts including guys on this show came. I think it was Mel Kiper. Who took worse to go to the giants? First Offensive Lineman taken the bucks somehow. Snag him where they drafted so brady has every single thing he needs and to me. This looks like a nine or ten win team. So is he a franchise change in quarterback any competent quarterback replacement replacing Jameis Winston. Should I GUESS? Changed the franchise in the sense that they're hovering right around five hundred you flip a couple of games and all of a sudden. They're a playoff contender and brady happens to be the guy. But I don't think he's a franchise change in quarterback in the way that everyone means people keep pointing to the Tampa Bay Bucks history. Yes the history which has nothing to do with right now. They're coming off seven win season as I mentioned with quarterback with a really bad year when you look at the entirety of the season and what he did is he like will he bring more attention. We give them a good feeling. Yes should they have a winning record? Given everything they have. Yes but is he the savior of the franchise? The guy's GONNA a really bad franchise which there haven't been very recently and make it a great franchise. No I don't think so. I would strongly disagree maxine. Cj Franchise Changing quarterback for the buccaneers. Now and he will have Fran franchise changing impact on them for the long run. Let's look off the field and the word that I've used ever since Brady went to. Tampa Bay was urgency. Not only are the players going to have more urgency from the moment brady signed forward. That means urgency offseason workouts urgency understanding their playbook urgency with they have. They're they're going to have to practice urgency with how how they take care of their body. None of these players have been around a guy like Tom. Brady this guys breaking into parts working out that is going to have an impact and effect on everybody on that Football Team. Not only for the season for the long haul also. There's going to be an urgency within their Front Office and coaching staff. Maybe like they've never felt before Brazilian had hall of fame. Quarterbacks in Big Ben and Andrew Luck was certainly turning in that direction but the urgency that he's going to feed into everybody is going to have not only this tangible impact now but for the future. I remember I was playing for the buccaneers and we were practising in training camp against the Patriots and this is down in Tampa and again this is in August. It's a thousand degrees out. We go through this grueling practice three hours long and then it's a two minute drill and the Patriots. The ball I in our coach at the time Greg Szanto said everybody. Out of playing offense for buccaneers. You guys are going to do anything right now. Go Watch Brady and that offense practice. I down happens completion. Ataman second down happens completion. Etem and I DOWN. Incompletion Downfield. Second down completion. To Ataman four plays in a row of speed UPTEMPO stuff and Edmund starts to jog back to the huddle and Brady starts to dog. Cost Him as loud as he can in front of everybody. That's not how we do things. Run your bed word back to the huddle everything like that in front of everybody. And the way that he got his guys to focus and relies the they were preparing for a high pressure moment. That's what he's going to bring the Tampa Bay and they're going to feel it this year. They're also going to feel it in the future. With how there he is going to change the culture and expectation level. Their offense is going to be better in the empty package their actual be better because he's really good at it. Their defense played more series than anybody else in the NFL last year. That's going to change. They had the worst starting field position in the NFL last year. That is going to change. But Brady's impact will be now and for the future years Tampa Bay. When I hear that I hear you guys. I hear you Dan that sometimes that can happen with culture. Stephen you'll appreciate this because I relate everything to my New York Yankees. Once upon a time the Yankees were in last place forever signed catfish hunter. Catfish Hunter was a CY young award winner. Great Pitcher the whole thing and he had one more great season less than one thousand nine hundred seventy five and the Yankees made a playoff push. But they didn't make it seventy six. He was good. They get to the world series and then he's never the same but the Yankee start winning world series and he's credited by George Steinbrenner at the time the others. He really changed the culture when catfish came. It was a franchise changer. Okay that's an easy story to tell them. Sure he contributed but really it was the trade for tyndrum. Mickey rivers and Ron. Guidry became the Cy Young Award winner it's Cetera Etcetera and they got nettlesome. Willie Randall so Tom Brady. Can he give you a good season? Can make you feel good about things. Maybe having a more attractive place to play fine but the books if they turn it around. It's not about a forty three year old quarterback for a season that he may be effective. It's about the wrong. It's about the offensive line. The Plethora of tight end wrong improved defense talking or you want to but you leakage. You weakened your own argument with the sentences brought up particularly as taste to catfish hunter. If it wasn't for catfish hunter changing that culture. They may not have elected to make those traits because they would not have had the confidence in what they had available to them the fact that he arrived and ultimately changed the culture is what made them consider the options to buffer what he had ultimately build from a foundation perspective. That's what culture changes. Do they embolden you to make moves to go for it? Because you have somebody that won't allow a foundation to fragment and ultimately deteriorate that's how you we could your own argument by bringing it up something from nineteen seventy by the way when you were two years old when they actually when they actually won the world series when they signed. Reggie Jackson who was in his prime. That's a culture changer. Super Half where. It's going to mean years going forward. That's not what this is. Tom Brady not what Tom Brady is. Fuck San Jay Joe. Down Winston and that's about it. Go ahead. Dan Go Dan. Max Max thing as an athlete a lot of times you do things and you. Maybe don't do them as efficiently or as difficult as hard as you possibly can. And then you don't reap the benefits and you sit there going man. Why am I not succeeding the way I want to? But what happens when you bring a guy like Tom Brady and that is going to leave no stone unturned and be maniacal in the way. He prepares takes care of his body and works. Is it's going to bring one guy along be two guys along and it's going to bring multiple people along that are gonna go. I'm trying that way and then what's going to happen is those guys are going to work in a different way. Like they never had before and then they're going to reap the benefits of that work and that is slowly going to change them and it's like discipleship. Gomes you grab another guy and all of a sudden that culture becomes very much so a group of people rather than one change the the vicarious but Max you're wrong thinking it's GonNa be one guy all it takes his one guy to buy in and then reap the benefits of it and then another guy does and then another guy does it. Data that is the butterfly effect of what Tom Brady will bring to. Tampa Bay is going going to do it. That way and then all of them are going from it and go. That's net Dan going to be. There's going to be a trickle effect. Hey Dan Hey Dan Max brought up Brett Fav. I would remind you one could argue that he would have had that profound impact if it wasn't for bountygate because he took the Minnesota Vikings to the NFC championship game that year and bountygate hat. Yeah right right so it didn't change the culture and some ongoing way at a good year. That's my pointed and stay. He was there for one year. You didn't say one and a half. Listen guy he'd Tampa Bay has the worst. Win percentage of any active franchise. I'm talking any sport. Nba Nhl all of them so torture the butterfly metaphor. They're going to go from a Caterpillar to a beautiful blossoming butterfly and soaraway. Because you can only go up from here right exactly so much all right so as a duo. Michael Jordan Scottie. Pippen won six championships. Mj and pippen were named to the first team. -fensive team five as teammates. The second most by duo of all time so that got us thinking if MJ could pick any player in the history of the game as his running mate who would he want. Day will join in the conversation. Good to have you back with us. Stephen I'll start with you. Who should NJ wanted his as his running mate. Would you go K. D. Lebron? I'm going to go Kevin Durant. I'm going to go Kevin Durant when I think about what does brother brings to the table at six eleven with his shooting skills his ability to spread the floor and his linked and Lanky as a defender. I like both I like both for Michael Jordan. I think that that would be a better situation. Not only that. I think that Kevin Durant would have an easy job because he's more efficient offensively as shooter. Then Lebron James is. He's a marksman extraordinaire. Did you get a shot off at any time? And he can shoot long range which obviously means he could spread the floor plus he's a significantly better free throw shooter. Lebron James is well I think when you take into account what Jordan brings to the table with his abilities to have a marksman like that who also would be easier. He would accept being one A. Or B the Georgia to Jordan's a side easier because Kevin Durant is one of those guys that doesn't need the number of shots that others would need in order to be as efficient and others effective as he is and he's a bit differential in his personality is sometimes he did it. Russell Westbrook he did it to some degree. Was Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. Even he was never a third offensive option. We understand that but his personality along with this the style his game itself. I think it's a better fit for Michael Jordan Than Lebron James Game would be. I can see why you say that K. D. is the kind of player no matter what team even theoretical team. You make in the history of basketball if you add K. D. He just made it better. He's unselfish he plays defense on five positions if you need them to and switches if you need whatever you need to do combine from outside dig into the whole. He's willing he's willing passer. He's just a great great player and an efficient score makes any team better but the answer is actually Lebron James. Well it's to Alpha's knows not Jordan the Alpha and Lebron defers next Jordan's a score and by the way when you look at what has happened. Like his career was on a team with an Alpha. Who really is a score? I guy at Westbrook everyone a championship and they had opened great teammates and like they'd had everything they needed couldn't quite get it done. When he went to Golden State he became the primary scoring option on a team with all star caliber shooters around him. But in fact when you look at how Jordan did it Jordan. Seventy two wins and the chip in under seven games. The greatest season in the history of basketball six seven the finals. He did it with his number. Two Scottie Pippen Scottie. Pippen basically is or who Lebron is. Lebron is a souped up pippen. You don't think of them defensively like that. But with broad is best in Miami was one of the all time. Great Defenders and Lebron like pippen not a great shooter but shoot it shoots it well enough is a pass first guy mentality who scores just because he can he can score so easily you're going to have to have them score a lot like a suit up pippen and we already saw what. Jordan did with a souped up. Pippen never really came close to losing so actually it's counter intuitive but Jordan and Lebron. I know it's weird counterintuitive. The two best players ever Jordan one Lebron to is also the best pairing maximum stephen a first off before I get into this question. I wanted to address something with you both. I I would like to apologize to your both and to the public. I made a mistake last time. I was on his show to argument about first off. Stephen a thanks for school me on that. But we got to argument about a symptomatic and I of misspoke and took the stance that you know. Wouldn't be able to tell your eysenck thematic. You both were correct. I don't want to miss him. Form misrepresenting anything out there to the public. I think it's worth me apologizing. That was wrong and Stephen Smith. I understand what the argument was about about the end of the about actually coming back and playing the season so guys prompt in Kudos on that both brothers. Thank you allow me to As it relates to this argument is always going to be real with the guys you guys know. I am and owning mistakes and moving forward. I also want to say Stephen. I relate to you on this one with Max You bring up a really good point about Lebron James. I do say this though. Just if they are playing into triangle. The triangle does have a tendency to take the ball out of the hands of the point. Guard so Stephen Smith back to your point on this one the ball inevitably is taking out of the out of the hands of the point guard. You need guy who are capable three point shooters consistent three point shooters. That's where K. D. Four career shooting forty two point three point line around there his marksmanship from the outside combined with his ability. To be like that Scottie. Pippen that point board that can pass get people involved in a place you can put him on the pinch block just like Jordan. He can hit turnaround. Beta ways that that skilled arsenal of what Kevin Durant and Michael Jordan will bring together and also Katie. Loves MICHAEL JORDAN? That FIERCE COMPETITIVENESS. That they both have. I'm not saying Lebron James Camp. It just say Stephen A. I'm with you the pieces workout much better for Kevin Durant and I think Lebron James in that system. Well I want to bring this up because you brought this up the other day about the triangle. Speaking of Michael Jordan speaking Phil Jackson back in the day. When you're just covering the league the way that I did speak in the Kobe guy rest his soul on many occasions about this all of them made it a point to educate me about the triangle. In this regard they talked about the triangle and they said the triangle was about movement. It wasn't necessarily about getting it out of the marquee players hands. It was about taking place all over the place folks touching the ball but still in the end when someone needed to have the ball. They had the ball. You can move all you want. But it's still ended up in Michael Jordan's Shaquille O'Neal played in the triangle and he would dominate the three quarters but in the fourth quarter who add the ball. It was Kobe Brian. So this notion that the triangle took the ball out of your hands isn't necessarily correct this twenty four seconds on the shot clock multiple people would touch it to feel involved to to make defenses work more than they wanted to but in the end those who needed to have the ball have the ball. I had a little bit Stevens art from who use out in the ball in his hands. If I were to pass the ball to the pinch post I run to the corner. Depending upon the next cut won't see the ball for another six or seven seconds in that shot clock so the system is designed perfectly for guy. If you're an elite score a like a Kobi or Michael and ice ituen of saying okay. That's what they were saying days. Nps were saying how about this and we didn't. We didn't bring this up because we're talking about Lebron or K. D. With Kobe. But you saw how the triangle work as you guys mentioned. They ran a. Lotta picket role to Kobe. And Shack will give Jordan someone like Elijah or because he was better passer. Tim Duncan and run the triangle with Jordan. And one of those guys impossible. That's impossible what do you do? I feel okay. There's just one other thing I want to show you guys a little boxing stuff that I think you're gonNA like so iron. Mike is making some waves right now with a training video that he posted on instagram where he tells the camera. He's back Max all-star with you on this I mean he looks pretty darn good to me. Do you like love or hate the idea of Mike Tyson. Returning to the ring. I think he's like fifty three. It's fine with me if he returns if he checks out and health wise and everything if you match him right not not with one of these super heavyweights in their prime but if you take another guy around his size who also older fighter maybe or a fighter of lesser skill and you match them in an entertaining fight. If that's what Mike Tyson wants to do with his life and he checks out medically good for him. Well Max with all due respect non-answer because the reality is if he would have come back now it wouldn't be against somebody else that's fifty years old. That's in a professional boxer. He talking about. If you're going to say I'm back. He talking about now and I just think Max. This is just me the super heavyweight that exist now where you got guys. Thirty forty fifty pounds title series was forty x deontay wilder. I can't do that so mike. Tyson is greatest phenomenal anybody. He can hurt but in the end. I don't like the fact that everybody every other weight. Division gotta come closer wait Jay and Max but a heavyweight. You could be forty pounds. Heavier didn't guy you fight and that's never made sense to me. I don't like that plus he's old. Just come on home with the rest of us. We all now Mike Tyson. This is Max. I just don't want to see him like Max. I WanNa see him tarnish his legacy at fifty three years old. I mean he had. The video was a great and his hands and he's agility is still off the charts. I mean he is but the comeback in today's age the kind of I don't WanNa see that happen to mark look by the way Molliems and by the way my Malalai highlight Max. Yep We don't show a highlight of Trevor Berbick. Can we show him fallen and then getting up falling again and getting up Informat Agai- four? Mike Tyson was twenty years old when he fought. Trevor Berbick fifteen seventeen years ago. Whatever it was he lost to Danny McBride. And and who else was it. A ten McBride Rather Danny Williams and Kevin McBride if titular lost like six of his next eight fights and the reason Tyson lost to those guys when he was much younger than he is now what ended his career was it. They were bigger than him so at that age he was already old fighting a bigger fight. I mean this is fifteen seventeen later. You got to put them in with a small heavyweight. Who's not that great and he can. We all have some fun. If he checks out done conversation I in years to watch anything. We Watch tournaments and people back now. I don't care if a wheelchair.

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Kahwi Me A River

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Kahwi Me A River

"Partly interruptions, that I'm Mike von most people have the day off for we are here to put in work. I'm Tony Kornheiser, speak yourself a male in this one in. No come on day. Gonna remember you for something mail, and then I should have worn shorts today. I don't know what to do in Chicago. This is the governor. No, it's sixty rain is the first PT memorial. We've ever done. Right. It's the first one I've ever done. Yeah. He too. We used to always get this day off not gonna stay you're wise. It is. They banished us, whether the PTI boys and girls, today's episode the NBA finals, set the Stanley Cup finally begins and Mike and Tony maybe feeling the heat, but we begin today with the surprise team in the NBA finals, the Toronto Raptors they won four straight over the favored, Milwaukee Bucks, and they will play Golden State. The raptors led all series by Leonard who many assumed to be a one and done in Toronto after game six that win that won the series, the president of the raptors Masai Eugene Lowry said to the assembled crowd, quote, he's the best player in the league and we're happy he's in Toronto on quote will bond us making the finals change wise future in Toronto as part of its own is part of it evolving situation and being in Toronto, a lot over the past couple of weeks. And. Talking to messiah, Jerry and others around in Toronto. Man, I mean, I get the feeling that's Ronald got a real chance the Rapids, every real chance, Tony when you stay in there and you hear an entire country, serenade you and they serenade it, and it was sincere. And it was authentic. And who I mentioned you Jiri by name? And there's something that player there's a romance or legitimate one. I'm not saying I know where he's going because nobody knows where he's going. But Tony it's impossible, so be into Rondo on a game night, and watch him play and the reaction between him and them. And not think, really, you want to leave this. What the uncertainty of even the clippers who are on the up-tick. I can see the other thing happening. I can't. So I understand why you Jerry would say this. He wants to keep him of Koran. Oh, made the biggest trade in the NBA last year at the at the end of it when they took. Demar derozen because damore bureaus and then Kyle Lowry had been bad in the playoffs. Toronto was getting swept year after year. And they said to derozen with trading, you, we're going to pick up Leonard even though Leonard is going to be a free agent. We may only have them for one year. The result is they have gone further than they have ever gone before. So if you asked me, the question, does it change his status what I would say to you was when LeBron went back to Cleveland and won. The people in Cleveland said, it's okay to go now Toronto's never been this far. I think the people in Toronto would look at Kuwait, Leonard and say, if you want to go home to California, we understand. And thank you for helping us get over the hump that we could never get over before. That's the second speech. That's the concession speech. Well politicians, nor athletes, look for the concession, I they win I only he's not LeBron at Toronto in Cleveland. And again spending some time near the past. Couple of weeks while this is unfolding. I don't know. But I feel that this must be in Kowa Leonard's head in heart. You cannot be there on any game night, and not sense. The love affair a very touching one don't know what it's going to mean. But by the way messiah Jerry better be executive the year 'cause he took a gamble on Kawai Leonard promise and lynyrd appreciates that because he's told. Tony. I don't know where it's going man, but it's fascinating. All right. So I'm gonna try to elicit a pick out of us different from everybody else's. The Las Vegas oddsmakers want. No part partly Toronto Rapids in the finals just like they wouldn't know part of the raptors against Milwaukee in the Eastern Conference finals, the warriors have been offered nine days which suggests rust, at least in game one Kevin Durant will not be walking through that door. Not immediately anyway. And the raptors led by the wondrous Karai Leonard are easily the field. Good underdog story these playoffs. So let's get to a big fellow you're going to man up. You're gonna pick the only team in basketball with the home country advantage, aren't you number one? No not going to do that. And number two, I thought you didn't believe in that Vegas junk, look, I don't I'm gonna pick Golden State. I'm gonna say that Golden State is gonna take one of the first two games in Toronto and get home field back. I, I thought that they would have more problems with Milwaukee because. To rent? I don't think the Rams play. And again, in the I don't you and I are sort on that. I think that onto the Colombo could not be guarded without Durant. Whereas I think Kawhi Leonard who's been great in the playoffs. He's averaged thirty one game throughout the whole of the play offs. I think Draymond green or Klay Thompson, I think they can get with him a little bit more easily. So I will take Golden State in terms of feel good stories. I think the way Golden State went through Houston and the way they went to Portland without Durant to me. That's not an underdog and overdose. Feel-good story was the certainly the story as well. Tony Golden State with sweat Milwaukee because by now you should have seen that, if Toronto can build a wall, and just say to answer Cuco. That's nice. You're nice guy. Come back with a jump shot. And we'll talk about this again. Sometime later. But Toronto, Tony has more diversity in that lineup. If there's a night where for why Leonard doesn't have a big game and he's only had one of those nights. They played without him. Twenty two times. Fifteen times what we now, call whatever that thing load management. Whatever it is. They played without him. They understand. And do they play differently when he's not there, but he was going to be there. And so even tell you this great player, even if Kevin Durant was there. Kevin Durant is not better than Kawhi Leonard. Neither one is better. They're both two of the four maybe three best players in the NBA. And the Wilders out there they got a chance. I think win, I'm gonna say, Golden State and Sykes. Okay, but I'm not gonna you'll wake up every morning at ten o'clock to while the highlights say, oh my God. I'm shot. I'm shocked to Ronald's in this. I can't believe they may be deal. No money in it. They may be in it. The other team is better than the other team is going for history. They're going for three in a row and four to five in their going dynasty, and don't discount that don't discuss soldier, Golden State. I think Houston chronicle is reporting that almost every one of Mike dantonio assistance. On the Houston Rockets, including defensive specialist. Jeff is delic- have been released and will not be back. Rockets owner Tillman for Titas said earlier this month that he intends to keep dance owning who has one year remaining on his contract and Tony publicly expressed the desire to extend that contract, two more years. We'll on a fewer dantonio, and you just saw your assistance can how would you feel about your status in Houston? Well, it depends if they were Chand or you said, we got to make some big changes here and I understand starting with my own staff. We don't know what order this was done. We don't know if Dan, Tony signed off on this or not not yet from the reporting we have today. So to me, this doesn't happen. Let's Mike, Dan. Tony has some say I mean that does the Houston Rockets don't strike me as that kind of organization. They are not dysfunctional. They haven't been able to win a championship lately, but they seem to know what they're doing. So you're saying Tony has a hand in the releasing of these assists. If not a hand in a nod. I mean, I don't think you're Mike dantonio, you've got some. You said I want this job. I want to do that. I wanna keep drying, right? We got a Roth. After I got a GM, who knows how to acquire people and shake things up. You don't you don't just just walk in the office. One day, this is not the Lakers saying, oh, by the way, you gotta bring in malaria, and curly. This is not that so Tony. I think that might didn't Tony has expressed publicly and privately he wants his job. I take him at his word if I'm like, Tony. I stay if I've got James harden, Chris Paul if I just one fifty three games, and the only team I lose to Golden State, which is being incredible dynasty. I stay if you don't want me, fire me, and give me the money but I want to stay there because I've got a good team. And if you don't if you're Houston, and if you're Maury or you're the owner of somebody goes to want their and Tony you. Tell me who's going to be better. Mike Dan, Tony. Here's a number. You might like his last three seasons in Houston. He's one hundred seventy three and seventy three. You think Kurt Rambus would likely plus one hundred Byron Scott Tim Floyd? I would like to be plus one hundred. So fun, Dan, Tony. I stay the mission just real quickly in the in the assessment of that team how they get along. Would you consider trading? Chris Paul to LeBron. And the Lakers because, you know, LeBron. And Chris, Paul love each other admire respect each other on off the court are very, very, very, very, very, very, very close friend. I might do that. Do you make that deal? I might put that, you know, but I want fifty three games and I want that team again. Yeah. I agree with that. Nobody we've discussed in today's show had the impact on a sport for a half century the way, Bart Starr, did he passed away yesterday at the age of eighty five and saddens a lot of us of a certain age that the greatest Packer quarterback ever is largely forgotten. So put away your culture of now and remember this star one five in a field championships, including the first two Super Bowls, twenty you grew up watching the best of Bart star. What are the thoughts that come to mind? Well, I mean Bart star is one of the all-time great. So I don't know if you will agree with this. I think he was the greatest of all the run. I quarterbacks because he had Jim Taylor, and he had Paul Horning. And he didn't have to throw the ball over the place. I would differentiate him from Johnny United. So I think it was the first of the past, I quarterbacks and they were contemporaries. He Tom Brady now has the amount, or maybe one more championship aboard star people have to understand this. That's the NFL didn't start with the Super Bowl. There was a rich history of the NFL before the Super Bowl and Bart star is a pivotal person in the rich history of the NFL. Tony he is. He's talking about quarterbacks. I grew up on the wrong end of a rivalry featuring Bart star. I shouldn't say wrong in the bears in that era have more championships than even the Green Bay Packers. But they those teams dominated things and Bart Starr, you just use to watch them. And it was he to me is a difference between quarterback and. You name some of the great quarterbacks and passer. Right. Guys are now passers because they don't even they don't call their own place. Vince Lombardi, trusted Bart Starr to call his own place. There was no getting in the quarterbacks head until twenty seconds left. Is this Bart Starr, dude, he was so great? And he was on a cast of great players. I've been in Green Bay and sat in the press box and been able to listen to fuzzy Thurston and Jerry Kramer, and the golden boy, Paul warning and just talk about Bart star and their time was within quick. Within question leader. Well enough question leader, a little history for the kids out there before there was Joe naming who was an Alabama all American. There was barred star before Brett farve and Aaron Rodgers won championships. Green star born star. Here's Bart Starr played for bear, Bryant, and Vince Lombardi, okay, still keys been there done that. Right. Yes. And so when people wanna start Packer history with, like, Dom, McAliskey move. No Arben Aaron Rodgers forever. The Rogers are great did did their great great, great, great great all time greats parts. But in that state Tony, you've been a Green Bay enough, you know, reverence in which Bart Starr is held and justify we, let's take a break, but coming up the Stanley Cup final begins tonight. We'll Bruins goalie to arrest still be hot after eleven days off late. Joy actually possibly on baseball. That would be a shame because it was a great player. Great rate play. Technology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You think you can solve any problem by turning a computer all and on him? And it's something wrong with your laptop now. Just need to turn it off and on. It's no problem. It's smoking. Yeah, that's museum. Eastern reboot truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. And Nelson fire Evans all the time. It's all good. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Final starts tonight. And we're thrilled to welcome back to the program. Our friend, Barry, Melrose, and Barry. Let me start with this to caress has been sensational in the net for the Bruins. He has been the hot goalie, but the goalie stay hot forever. The layoff is unbelievable. It is eleven days. Can we expect the goalie to still be hot? If that long layoff, just is going to affect the Bruins. I'm not going to sit here and say they're going to come out and they're going to be as good as they were the last game against Carolina. But they gotta get through the first period, get their legs to caress us. A feel some shots, Saint Louis has to come on jump on in this eleven day layoff that will create some Russ that will create a team. That's not quite ready to play, so of Saint Louis comes out jumps on them. Maybe get an early lead take that into the second period, the blue or the Boston Bruins will be trying to come out get their legs and make this first period nothing nothing one nothing. Maybe Saint Louis, something like that. But it will affect them. Eleven days off is unheard. This time of the year in the NHL, we're used to two days off and playing every second day. So this is going to be a very big test for the Boston Bruins to be ready in the first period. Saint Louis has to take advantage of the rest of Boston. Bruins have come out and take the lead early. That means the blue is going to be depending on somebody early named Jordan Bennington. He was the fourth guy on the depth chart and gold. At goaltender ferry. How does he make it this far? What are the combination of circumstances? Well, it's a great story. He was the guy that wasn't a blue chip prospect. He played in the east coast league. The lowest rung of the NHL developmental teams then he went to the American League they wanted to send them back to the east coast league. He said, no, I don't want to go, so they found him a place to play in providence, which is a Bruins farm team. And then when Craig, ruby came in, they try goaltender after goaltender after goaltender, none of them work. So he brought in his bidding been kid from providence and the guy's been unbelievable since he came into the NHL since he came in and played for the Saint Louis blues to give them great goaltending every week every game. And he's taking the number one job, and he hasn't given it back. Other guys dried, they put other guys back in, but Bennington wins wherever he goes, and he came in into the playoffs people wanting well, he won't be able to do this, in the playoffs playoffs hockey's tough the checkings, too good shooters, are too good. He's been just as good in the playoffs as he was during the regular season. So without a doubt, the MVP of the, of the Saint Louis blues has Bennington. No one else, we've got other good stories sports as a good story. Bennington is the reason that this team is in the playoffs playing for the Stanley Cup final no doubt about the kid has been fantastic. Very another big part of the Boston. Bruins is Brad marshawn. I mean some ninety is just a stud. But then there are times when he's a face licking irritant. I cannot decide whether to just like him in wonder what he does or just hate him. What is the deal with him? He's like that. He's an agitated. He's a guy that makes people mad. I'm sure he makes his own team mad. I'm sure he makes his own management mad. We know that they've talked to him on numerous occasions about his antics on the ice. But he's maturing a this year has been a lot better than the previous years. So I think the Boston Bruins are getting to the bottom line, though, is, he's one of the best left-wingers in the world. This guy is a goal scoring machine. He kills penalties him him in Burs, Ron of the top two penalty killers not many teams top two offense of players are also their top two penalty killers the Boston Bruins have that luxury marchant is unbelievable hockey player. So if you're a Boston Bruins fan, love them. And if you're not a Boston Bruins fan, hate him, he doesn't really care and the Boston. Bruins don't care. But the bottom line is, he's one of the best players in the world and the Boston Bruins love having them on their team. I will get you out of here in this. We see ice behind you. We know that the game finally after seems like months is going to start berry which way are you leaning right now? I'm a I'm a believer in the Boston. Bruins, I think they're a little bit better than the Saint Louis blues, I think it's going to be a great series, their mere image of each other. They believe in the same things they talk about the same things that coaches talk about the same things. They want good defense. They want good goaltending. They want disciplined don't want teams to take bad penalties. They want to take the other teams passing routes away through the middle of the rink there, just the stress the exact same things. This is the future of the NHL all teams was small forwards and slick forwards are gone. The big bullies now are playing the guys that are six three six four. Those are the guys that are scoring two goals. Those are the guys that are checking. So these two teams believe in the same things they talk about the same things play the exact same style. And it's going to be which team does that style better. I like to goaltending of the Boston. Bruins a little bit better than I like to go tending, the Saint Louis blues, I like to defense of Saint Louis a little bit better than the Boston Bruins, and I like the forwards of the Boston. Bruins in the special teams better than the Saint Louis blues. So with all that being said, I like the Boston Bruins in six game. Thank you so much for being with us, Barry, and thanks you going to those earphones, so you could actually hear us. Thank you. How do I look them on guys? The very very good. Let's take one list, but still to come wilpon breaks down, today's two hundred million dollar match between ask them Jill off and Darby county. Were they playing each other at the French Open, if not Kornheiser details? The innovative strategies Simon Pasi no utilize to win the Indy five hundred has, you know passing the accident. And the other one I think you're not lacking is not funny. He no it's Hachinohe. I got him being Latin. No. Happy time. People have sixty fifth birthday Jackie Slater Slater made the Pro Bowl at offense of tackle for the Los Angeles, where him seven times, and was first team all NFL, three times those credentials got Slater into the hall of fame beyond the numbers, though, where the interesting facts that Slater was a college teammate of Walter Payton, Jackson state, and then Slater son. Matthew was a seven time, Pro Bowl selection, and four time all NFL selection at special teams for the New England Patriots man. That's I mean special teammate special jeans, Slater, just surrounded by greatness, it, helping produce greatness to out to careers, Tony college, and the NFL happy anniversary to Robert ory shot around the state seventeen years ago yesterday after both Kobe, and Shaq misbehave -sential gametime shots in game for the Western Conference finals against the kings, the ball got tapped out to Ori who hit a three. For the win. This was in part, how Ori earned the nickname big shot, Bob. Oh, there were plenty of those Tony, I covered that series, which ended a great controversy later, and in time, Tony, it has come to be one of the great series of all time in the NBA a melancholy trails to Bill Buckner the well-known first baseman died today at age sixty nine from a condition called Lewy body dementia. Buckner played twenty two years in the majors. Mostly with the dodgers cubs and Red Sox, he was the National League batting champion in one thousand nine hundred eighty and retired with twenty seven hundred and fifteen minutes. But everything else he didn't his career was overshadowed by the ground ball. He went through his legs in game six of the nine thousand nine hundred eighty six World Series against the Mets had Buckner caught that ball. The Red Sox would have ended a sixty eight year championship drought. The Red Sox lost game seven and Buckner went into baseball lore is one of the tragic figures, along with Fred Merckel, and Ralph Branka Buckner face this head on and stoically forgotten all of. This is that he was a really good player. Tony Los interesting. I wouldn't argue a word about how it ended up with Boston. But here in Chicago, he went batting championship in nineteen eighty I think he hit three twenty four, but there's nothing that we at all, but walks around here, people sharing his number was even different. You didn't win number six with the cubs and dodgers. He wore twenty two, I think, in both places, and a different figure completely historically from one place to the other showing you there with baseball, still all things are pretty much local. We're running out of show, we go to the big finish Aston Villa beaten Darby counting to win promotion to the Premier League today. Are you happy for them? We know the bucks owner Wes Edens part, owner of Aston Villa sense. It could be a two hundred million dollar game. Tony. That's enormous Simon passionate won the Indy five hundred. You do watch you impress. I watched a lot of it idea. Listen, he's the only the second Frenchman to ever win. The I was guest on Chevrolet in one thousand nine hundred twenty that Chevrolet. Yes, then Watson faces a four game suspension. PD's. How should the patriots feel about that? Well, not betrayed. He told people more than one club but certainly the patriots. Here's what happened to. Why wasn't even planning to come back? So he's told me is going to be out four games. I guess he will be the rest soccer disappear joy on the sixty day injured list thought I hope he comes back, I don't want wouldn't take out by Manny Machado this ways a spark plug in an MVP last one one hundred days until the Packers. The NFL excited, aren't you now know in four days, the cardinals in the cubs, his Saint Louis, I'm excited about baseball baby out of time, trying to better the next time on Sony Kornheiser. I'm Michael Barr back on the mothership tomorrow. Knuckleheads, you can get the podcast on the apple podcast.

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