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Tiger King

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Tiger King

"Commercial Subjects Today. We're talking about Tiger King Than Netflix documentary. We're going to use science and to explain why it might not have been the best documentary and we're also going to look at the ancient history of cats. Let's jump into cats the musical. Yeah we're not doing matt again. Engine history of that lady you know where I was always obsessed with like Egypt Sharon worship of cats and dogs and so I wasn't everyone. Didn't everyone go through their grades? Seven Egyptian phase. Yeah because it's so fascinating. It's such an interesting cultural reference or the mummy came out and we were all true scare. Also how's it going? We didn't say the high I'm high and actually I might have just confused because I said I actually. I'm greg and welcome back. This is going on over a month of quarantine for us. Thirty two of core core is gray. Walls are Malays of if you listen to the audio version of this podcast. You heard one last week. We didn't post one on Youtube because it was done months ago. With how big. If you're a youtube watcher go listen to. It was actually very interesting. I feel like there was a pep in our step in her voice while we certainly like the pandemic was looming. We definitely talked about it a lot. But yeah we know where it was now. I just want a really funny youtube sketch. That was this girl saying my telling my what was the name it was like telling my previous previous about the pandemic like explaining it. So it's like a girl from now looking talking to herself. Four months ago like little jokes like her being like. Oh God yeah like the Australian fires are definitely going on right now. It's going to be definitely define this year and she's like. Oh what the what that felt like such a big deal. But now we're all like definitely also really sad. We can't stop thinking about who change. That's definitely going to define this God in the war with Iran. Yeah there was a time when the twenty twenty issues and now yeah everyone's mean for war and wildfires like put this any worse and it's like both Don. I know like we need to stop saying that. Can this year yet anywheres? No it this year is this year. Is that noise from inception? That's like it's like this is all Christopher. Nolan's and Hans Zimmer. Okay NERD ALERT ON ZIMMER. Like invented that no he didn't invent it but he definitely popularized that in every movie every trailer. I started using that became such a trend. I wish that I had that on my phone. I could play it in public more often. Like if someone was arguing on this and just back. I'm going to remember subway. Peoplesoft use the subway. Just we are privileged to work at home and gone from Hong Kong. Like I imagine in. Many people aren't using the subway now though they must be much more empty than normal. Yeah you're you're like style using both still have to use it. It's just mean like many are not. It's definitely not as busy. You're doing okay Like we got a lot of responses about definitely doing an episode on mental health especially with relation to quarantine in south vice which we are working on. We're working on an episode right now. Call Your brain on quarantine podcast about it as well. It's very w I'd be like really can media trained also doing actually be like literally are I went went to Youtube and Tommy talked to them yet. But yeah there's not that much research on this type of quarantine and a lot of it is from Hong Kong from all these studies of people who have self isolated or gone into quarantine healthcare workers who are directly interacting with SARS like the mass amounts of people right now in physical isolation is. I'm going to save one of the most important words of our era. It's unprecedented well. Shall we jump into our episode? Yeah because I feel like usually we have things to talk about that. We did this weekend literally. It's like the MS lean the same. Nothing has changed okay. I think of each one tangible thing. We actually did go. I know I have one. Actually you can go. I don't want to Miss I. I don't think I said this on the podcasts yet but I am taking an online course in the science of wellbeing and I really like it and that's basically about the science of happiness and it's a free chorus from Yale and I'm really enjoying it. I don't know if it's too late to join rob. You're like literally going to yell right now or something. Gail student and soon to be a y'all graduate from my one chorus. Did you pay the money? So you got the certificate or now no okay. Well then. You're not a graduate okay. Anyway it's a really interesting fascinating course. And I've learned a lot. I've only in like the third week every. Damn I'm sad and Mitch. It's like well. I'm not because I used to have well. The only thing about it is that the professors starts. The course by being like you'd think as a professor of science well-being I'd be happy but that's not how it works. Basically and I was like Oh wait. I don't know that I know everyone who tries to tap the number one rule is there's no such thing. Yeah which is true. We just have to balance are binary and try and be more in the middle the Middle Gray. Okay wait what would it change unlike happiness? I learned how to Blanche Spinach really well. Oh you did. I really day so I've been learning how to cook Korean food from this amazing women on Youtube vary love you is. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA show. I'm an give her some lakes from the science channel and boost. I'll go algorithm. But it's like Jerry now because Beijing. You take a spinach. You put it into boiling so many people who are going to be like you put this manage into boiling water for thirty seconds. Only and then you scoop it out with like a sifter strain or thinking right into this other word but it right into ice cold water take it out and then you put it into like a little snowball in your hand chop it up soy sauce sesame oil sesame seeds Bam nutrition cooking Korean food for me for weeks. Now Yeah I knew it. We'd all how sh why it's amazing member. Lucky that the store that's nearest has like so much Korean stuff and I was hoping you would call it when I said because I know way too. I think that the binding areas of femininity and may be defined that way honest at times. You didn't even hear you say that I was saying it to prompt you to go crag that's not how these things work in this. World Talk. Well we're going to jump into our what learned this week. I've messed up the sound of Echo. I like those little moments of humility and have authenticity in this podcast. How many of them are saying. Can we say that I feel like every week like the button if you're new here again? Podcasts works this way we have learned this week section and then after this we jump into the actual studies and the topics today being tiger king. So we'll put the time codes in. If you just want to jump to that Greg. What did you learn this week so i. This is less about like a brand new knowledge. My brain more of a reimagining reawakening of the concept that humans are hetero troughs. Yeah that's not heterosexual. Okay let me tell Ya. That's home off trophic. What No. I'm talking wait. What did you say tried to make a homophobic joke? I'm like it's actually not home. Atrocities auto trump so hetero trust our animals organisms that rely on consuming other organisms for energy. Which is us and I feel like. I'm just like it's so obvious to me right. Now that we're Hetero trust because honestly the only thing we really have to worry about is leaving our homes to get food and sustenance to put into our bodies to stay alive like it's a really interesting too. It's crazy to think about that. Sketch like talking to ourself four months ago. It'd be like we're going to be acutely aware of the fact that like we literally need food to live because we are having a hard time feeling comfortable getting buffoon so I just think it's so interesting because the main reason that I leave my house is to like suck it up and go to the grocery store local to get this sustenance and I'm just like it's so interesting that an auto trough is an organism that can actually sustain its energy from the sun and from water through fixation. Yeah it's like is so. Why can't we make our own food? I mean it's volition but but I mean it's actually like it's just fascinating to me to think about the world that way like we got our chemical energy from this food. This thing that we usually just are like pizza. It's such a part of our cultural day to day. Life but from a biological perspective is just so simple. It's like okay. We have to. We have to actually eat. Plants or animals have eaten plants. Those plants are so fricken amazing or whatever that they've been able to carbon fixate or like use photosynthesis to gain energy from the Sun without that we truly would die anyway so this is my other way of saying. Thank you to the grocery store clerks into the frontline workers for supplying us with the carbon that we need to let do you think it's because is it primarily animals that need to move and stuff. Obviously that right like are there a stupid question? Are there mammals that are on trial? I would assume not right like it's probably just. It's just from the sun so it'd be plans and stuff. Yeah like I can't think from the top of my head of like I'm into that while you told me what do you want? No I didn't I wasn't trying to put you on the spot because I'm actually extremely. Okay so what I learned. This week is some new interesting research on plastic. That came out this week. Scientists have created a new mutant enzyme that breaks down plastic faster than ever before so. This is encouraging. This is exciting it some company. I've forgotten the name. And they were working in partnership with some bigger organizations that make plastic water bottles but basically. It's a bacterial enzyme that can break down plastic within ten hours and the everyone's been wanting. Yeah I think it still maybe in the testing phase. They're saying in five years they WANNA be able to scale it up because they actually get it from fungi actually actually anyway and let me just say there are no animals that could be considered auto trough. Okay good to know plant and algae perfect. So where was I talking about that? Oh One really unique thing about this enzyme in the way that it breaks down. Plastic is the other ways they have done it. The plastic actually degrades quality. And so then it can only be recycled to certain other kinds of things like making carpets. Or it's basically a lower grade. Plastic making carpets. Yeah I think. Like carpets polyester polyethylene. Okay so it becomes a lower grade plastic whereas this is able to conserve the plastic quality. So you can recycle it into a high quality plastic new bottle. Basically they found it in a heap of leaves. They like what they weren't here is located like lifting up like one of those one hundred thousand microorganisms screamed. They screamed at them they yelled. Yeah they screamed. What did you the Guy Said? What did you say? Oh my God they screamed hello organizations and then they basically found one was a leaf compost bug which was I discovered in two thousand twelve and then they realized this bug can also break down the plastic they forced through a series of mutations to optimize its ability to break down the PG plastic and basically at the end of the day. The cost of doing this is only four percent of that of making plastic from oil so instead of making more plastic bottles the incentive for businesses to want to do. This is that it's actually cheaper for them to recycle their old plastic. Is there a way to like to scale this up? Well I think that was what the article that I read was talking about. This company's goal is to scale this up like obviously you can only produce the enzyme at a certain rate. So they're trying to figure out. Okay how do we now? We have some of these studies we can show. It can do it in this faster timeframe than ever before. How do we actually make it viable as a business thing or is that so interesting? I'm glad to be talking about science outside of chronic. Yeah there's hope and I mean there's so many times look at this cool thing was a little skeptical because I think it was Coca Cola and some other company that were major investors in this and so. I'm always a little skeptical. Just because they obviously have a vested interest to make this stuff. Sorta greenwash to make it sound like. It's actually it's amazing thing but but I mean obviously I can understand why these companies are nervous about the future and how people perceive their products and if they're using plastic and not having a good form of recyclability that that will damage their sales long term. I think so. My hope is that they actually have vested interest in making this work. Not only is it more efficient for them and cost efficient and ideally. It helps their PR. You know what I mean. So wow okay guys coca cola over there. They're all kids on. Just get addicted to your sugar so again. Well I suppose you have any comments on that. No No. I think that's fascinating. I think it's time we get into like I'm so excited to talk about tiger. We have so many thoughts. That don't like I wish okay. We're GONNA hit okay studied And so we will be using studies to dissect says show Tiger King but we finished it last night. Okay it took us a while okay. I wish we had an excuse me at warranty and I did not like it. Might take podcast. No I just want people to know that off the top that like I was very frustrated by by the end and I'm excited about it off his shade but I actually don't think your documentary person might as well call me. Stupid on is all like me in the face and be like honey year down here. I think maybe there's a style of documentary like but I actually actually. Oh my God we are. Oh this is GonNa be juicy con con that short actually long for content. I think it was a really bad documentary. I actually think I like documentaries. And I think it was like literally poorly executed and in fact. I heard that quite a few of them were paid. Who was paid to be on it? the guy with Joe and it's like that's actually like a big issue as a documentary. Filmmaker that's actually a bit a bit of a no no why because it compromises their truth or something. Yeah I mean this is all like hearsay. A lot of people who have been in the documentary say that they were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to be an whereas a lot of documentary. Filmmakers say that yes they have said hundreds of thousands yes. Finley the guy with no with not the guy on the CD at the end of the same James Garretson yet they. They claim to have been paid a lot by the documentary film. Hundreds hundreds of thousands of dollars is what they claim to be paid individual Ram New York. Times this is where it is quoted but claim paid. That's sketchy so let's talk first about our takes and maybe explain it to the audience for the two people who maybe haven't mix the studies in a little bit. Yeah mine my mind okay. I mean I didn't think it was bad but I maybe it was. Mike is just like dancing over here. It was definitely over hyped for me. I think because we actually started watching it kind of late compared to everyone else not everyone else but compared to when it was blowing up and then we watched maybe two or three episodes and then we took like three weeks between then. I remember seeing on. Twitter will being like gay guys can have tigers too and I was just like what is happening. It's about CARRABBA's getting like killing her husband. I was just like this is a spoiler. Also there's going to be spoilers this if you haven't watched tiger king don't in my opinion well. I had just previously watched millions that's an HBO one about the McDonald's fraud. And I actually enjoyed it. I thought it was too long and then even more so felt that about this. It feels like they kind of dragged it out longer and it didn't have a very clear narrative but that was the nature of this story to me whereas mcmillian's millions is like telling us a specific story. Okay so what did we think of? Joe Exotic one thing I'll say is he's stylish. Looks like hip cruel kids in Toronto. Like there's this band called one hundred acts that I love. Who are like so cool and they blonde mullet vibes and kind of like dirty and I was like do they wear like tasseled like like you're saying how like that like grunge aesthetic. That is supposed to be like. Oh I'm sure the documentary filmmakers. If I was actually like Jackson dresses super cool off so I'll give him that but I really the end of it was like why. Is everyone rooting for him? He's he's creepy. And I mean these little not little boys but these like young men and it's like I felt like it was like an now. There's a lot of stuff coming out. About how racist he is that they had to cut so much stuff out of it because it was so inappropriate. And I don't know if Carol Baskin killed her husband everyone talking with it I'm like by that's the takeaway that was at the end of episode. Three it's kind of like ooh juicy juicy but then the last very much not about that. Why are we still talking about? That's why I didn't know if maybe that conversation was happening as people who are watching it so we kinda took a break. The last four episodes we watched didn't really talk about that at all and I was like why everyone so mean to her. I thought I get that. She's Kooky she's an interesting character. She has a very peculiar way of expressing herself. But then I was like I don't know I feel like it's probably a good thing is trying to destroy this industries. Yeah and he literally is just like constantly like everyone's free. Joe Talk if you shoot a doll of me in a video. I'M GONNA call the fads horrify and also if she's such a murderous woman like you think she would have got him killed. It's like he's trying to kill her. I so never once. Did they have any evidence where they were like? He's the one who burned down his own thing. Probably also I just like all dock anti talks exactly like Jimmy Kimmel. It's insane is this is just like made me not like Jimmy. Kimmel Jimmy brother also. It's like I don't know I found it really confusing this whole narrative. A people were kind of like this is a little we got into the study out for those people were like. This is a great escape. Everyone's thinking misses a great escape from Corona virus from trump and Bob. I found it to be the opposite. I was like this is. Trump is like the worst part of like literally they were talking like. They're like as a libertarian. I'm like fuck the feds. GonNa listen to them at this point. I don't want to go to jail like things like that. I'm like that is what Donald Trump does he tries to take government like Mandalay. Joe Exotic we try to become a bigger like the way. I'M GONNA run is I'M GONNA take government out of your life like an all. That people really care about controversy and all these things I was like I can't help but think about Donald Trump as I watch this and I can't help but think about how scary it is to have someone like exotic dealing with a pandemic to think of people that were the ones that they interviewed that were like. I think he'd be great. Great Leader goes to show that very Americans all the time but that very American attitude that it's like this idea of not giving a shit about what other people saying and just being like a bad whatever people say that about the trump. They're like oh I know. He's like unrefined but he t- tells it to the MIC. It is it's like. Why is that redeeming quality. Wise like literally. You WanNa be a diplomatic person to be able to listen to all of your constituents not dictator. Yeah so you want to. You want to be able to listen to people and come to conclusions that support the majority of people and and but still accommodate the minority of people. And those kind of things I'm just like. Why is that a trait to be held up high? That someone's just an asshole I know on. I thought it was interesting. The new the fact that he was gay was like interesting. Yeah like ads like this other layer of nuance like other than that. It would just be like very like hetero. Normative men verses. That was a really interesting. Like sprinkle like curiosity on everything but it was still like it was still about power. Just because you're like a gay person doesn't mean you can't have this crazy power over like animals and like other humans unlike straight and like like you had like three straight straight seemingly straight husbands. It's just like well it shows. You seem so strange. I mean he was gay so I'm not no no am saying I like that but it's not like you're in relationships with him but we are not the last one last thought so loves him but they all had those moments to and then in the end. We're like actually him leaving with this woman like you know what I mean. The last one never did that. Because it's now you know what I mean like. There's still an opportunity for the last one's definitely gave the other two straight. I think wait. You're judging is based on what because you shouldn't judge people just based on the way they act as if there is really no it's not he's acting gay and then dating a man that's not judging someone. Okay no but I'm saying like the to head the other ones the other ones dated him and then also were like worse straight and we're leaving with this one point into queer non binary thinking and I just do not know guys. They're all okay that's fine. I don't need them straight but I'm saying the last guy was also for Canadians. I like the Shaun MAJUMDER CAMEO. The guy from just realized. This hour has twenty minutes. Oh I know him from just for lives. He's a comedian. Okay well Canadians standoff in the comments below which one is Rahm. I understand your comedy scene metal. Okay tell me forgetting study so this this study is part of the reason how. I'm going to explain how this is a horrible. It's going to really go there because it's like you know. Joe Exotic hot US controversy is good horrible documentary. Okay so I do think that. This documentary was completely misguided because I think there are times where they want to be like. This is all about this issue. We have tigers and captive tigers in America but actually going to turn this into a crazy soap opera to hold people's attention and the point of view of this whole entire documentary to me was like so off like I don't. I don't know what it was at the end. They just decide for the last ten minutes to be like this was actually about the cats the whole time. And it's like Yeah No. It wasn't sorry you're trying to fix this because you sorry keep going. What did I do you like the way you want on the table if I move my in the whole table false over okay well okay? I'm throwing this by slept the listeners. So the tiger population suffered in estimate decline of more than fifty percent in the last thirty years so in the last hundred years. It's gone down from hundred thousand wild tigers. Now they say it's between three thousand five thousand tigers in the wild which they actually say at the very end of this documentary. The screen goes black. And explain that to you. And I'm like you weren't talking about that no more time. That's not what this was. This wasn't blackfish. You know what I mean like. It really frustrated me because I was like they got to kind of have like the moral high or they tried to have the moral high ground at the end. And we're like going to make change as if this was about at any point in. This documentary was about US trying to like understand how corrupt we saw glimpses of it but the point of view was not clear enough and obviously it didn't work because that's not what people are talking about online. They're talking about like how funny it is which was entertaining. It was which actually was. But how like Joe Exotic like deserve jail? Carol Baskin killed her husband. And then what was the point of this because at the Andrew? Try and go tigers So in India the tiger estimate they have they have a like essentially the WWF. But it's like the Wildlife Institute of India and they say that. Yeah we that's where the World War Two. No oxygen is only one all right more to the war. The War Tigers. Now occupy only seven point one percent of the historical range. So it's like it's really really sad. What has actually happened to tigers in the wild versus captivity. There are now they estimate to be ten thousand captive animals in America of which only three hundred fifty are actually being monitored by like a proper zoo so think about that so those people were doing there like actually breeding the majority of and holding onto the majority. So there's there's double the amount of tigers in America than there are in the wild so that's just like immediately like okay. That's really messed up and what this study was all talking about was how like X. C. Two E. X. Dash. You like science you learn but like in like in a zoo hopefully like in a zoo. Conservation is important for tigers right now because there are so few of them. There's actually only two hundred and fifty tigers in India right now that are like potentially wild and could make Mo- like that's that's insane so few considering it's also such a quintessential as a child would learn about it's not like it's not like some. Nishi towed that we've never heard of. It's like tigers and there is that that human-like fascination like when you look at them in the show they're big they're beautiful day. Are there so fascinating and we also interact with domesticated cats that we kind of have this familiarity with them. See Them Act and you go. Wow they really aren't like cats so what this study was looking at. Is that White Tigers which you see a lot. Those are more likely to be inbred. And so they were looking at the DNA white tigers versus actual wild tiger populations which are more likely to not be white. You actually notice in the show. There's a lot of white tigers in these little like like when they pulled the young pups away from their mom associated. And that's actually a sign of inbreeding but the whole point of this study was being like it is so important that we have proper conservation techniques and know where all the Tigers are and have genetic analysis of every tiger in order to control their population there genetics in order to breed them properly. If need be and so the fact that there's ten thousand question. Mark Tigers in America of which only three hundred and fifty being properly regulated in steady genetically. Makes you realize that this show was in my opinion glorifying. This really tragic like messed up thing and spending way not enough time talking about the issue and I think there's a really cool point and it could have done. Which is you know. Hook people in with the drama and the gossip but then get your point of view across be the blackfish for this issue right but they never did that and it frustrated me at the very end when they like showed this stat as if I was supposed to at that point. Care About The tigers when the whole time. I've just been like okay. These white people are insane and scary and like the Tigers. You you son go all that so sad but like it's never clear enough how you're supposed to feel after blackfish. I was reading a lot of other people have been sort of. There's been a bit of a backlash I mean. I think it's happening now. But they were like after blackfish like seaworld stock prices fell and it had a huge impact on people wanting to go see that whereas a lot of like documentary or worried that this is going to increase people's aggressive nation with tiger and kind of wind diggers. These figures are famous now like Joe Exotic. Not only he's in jail. Whatever but those other people doc whatever. I don't know anyone's name. Carol Basson Good. I'll remember her name. These Donald Hall. Doc Kimmel Jimmy Kimmel. These people are household names now and in a way that the show. Yes the documentary filmmakers. But it'd probably debate like they just showed them in their natural way and they didn't want to impose too much of a narrative on them but they glorified them and now we've been told that they took out this entire racist angle of Joe Exotic to not maybe because it was too awful like any glorified. He is likable in ways. In the show right. But you know deep down. He's actually psychotic. He wants to kill a person you find out. He is like unethical. And so many other ways every single person they're working with has is like a felon and has like committed crimes of beating their wives and these weird things that come out they show you yeah. They're not hiding that. But just like you said it's not ever I don't know I don't think the final the US has hurt them. I think if JOE EXOTIC gets out of prison or even if he's in prison he is going to be happy with this because he is more famous now than he ever and there were really funny like I feel like I'm all Gregor fricken critical. Like I'm like I'm like I do feel frustrated. That being what I like jumped to all the time but I'm like at the end. I was like these documentary filmmakers. I share panicked like they definitely were like okay. We have not clear point of view which I'm like. I'm pretty sure it's what everyone says. Is the number one thing when you're wrong making a move or anything. What's your point of view? It's like then they just at the end. We're Kinda like and you know these people who work there. They were caged animals too. And it's like wait. Why wait so are we talking? Animals like against our years west high would in their defense. I think there's a couple of different kinds of documentaries and one that you go with the clear point of view but to me. What was interesting about this? It was clear that they they were with them for a long time and they. It spanned the like they were there. When Joe Exotic went to jail so their narrative was never defined. I think they were like. Let's start filming this. I don't know how long it took course over. It might've been years which is cool and sometimes documentaries. Something happens but maybe they were like you know what this is. What has happened is lots of stop. That's like concentration tigers Warsi. I don't think they went in for the conservation of tires. I think they went into like this. Entire world is crazy. Let's document it for a few years. And then they captured this story and and maybe if it went a different way they might have been able to latch onto a more of a conservation angle or something but it just became about how intense this interpersonal relationship between these couple characters was and obviously is compelling because they're all such characters like even Carol Baskin is such a fascinating. I know in there in the first two episodes which I really enjoyed them like this fricken. How Larry like? It's funny 'cause they're actually so absurd. But then it felt like the last three episodes. Were very serious. That's when I started because I really felt like a drama. It becomes like a murder mystery or almost like a thriller because they're trying to do this thing and tell her and you're watching it happen and the whole time you're watching these tigers that are like you know captive and not properly study getting killed getting who knows like actually yeah just looking at it and seeing them always pace back and forth in their cages. We're like this is so messed up and it's interesting. It's fascinating to learn about that. It's important to think about that. The way that we treat animals is a really important thing to talk about. It's like any opportunity. We should be thinking about that like pets like everything it's like. It's a fascinating like biological concept. There's so much like rich information there that I'm surprised that by the end it never went there and then it ended up being about like Joe Exotics Court case and then ended up with everyone like champion exotic online. Carol Basson husband. I was like this is like we're all kind of ended up like crazy and I will say I'm on care. Baskin's did I forget the first half of the show. I don't remember. Also she's trying to pass a lot of the way they construe her story like the characters and the show. They act as though she's doing this because she wants to be the only one who can have the profit and control the animals and keep them all for herself. But if you actually think a little deeper you realize she's trying to pass these laws and shutdown breeding programs which would ultimately in the end. Put her out of business in the long run for the long run she wouldn't be able to bring in tigers anymore so if this is all for her why is she still trying to destroy the like I. Just don't buy this idea that she is just doing it because she's greedy. And she wants to be the only tiger breeder like she doesn't read tires. I thought I know and for everyone who is justice. Seem to the PODCAST. We are wearing carol. Baskin's hey you cats and kittens t shirts right now and you do volunteer to her place. And we think that she's a really good. Influence are no? I definitely think that she created like a bit of a cold like when they did. I need to facebook and watch videos. I realized like whenever she was recording. Wait how many people are watching these. And she doesn't do it just like she didn't really get that set up put on makeup or do anything. She flipped her hair. And then press record. I really do relate to that like whenever I press record and like see our videos get cement millions of people on my Greg. You should learn but on me gutters okay. Let's go back when we come back. After a comment corner I am going to talk about the ancient history of cats and their domestication comment case. Today we have a comment from valley and a Malawai luck that name and they had to say. I'm a research scientist who has been missing living and breathing science recently as my lab is closed and at home with my lovely but very much insert non-scientific family. This made me feel like I was hanging out with my lab mates. I learned so much from it. I love it. Thank you for doing this. I love that drake the fit. Like you know what? I'm singing scientific thrown. Let's talk about all right. That's that's as hope. Everyone feels that way. We love to hear what you can relate to that though like when you're with friends and you're like I always driving up science. That's literally boring. I literally don't like want like it just like sometimes. That can be really frustrating. Like it's no no no. I'm just saying it's funny thing that I haven't really ever articulated. But to hear articulated. Like with my nonscientific family. It's weird. I never actually also like I. Listen to a lot of PODCASTS. But I don't watch a lot of you like a lot of the podcast. I listen to you. Do not video versions. And they wish they did. Because I think that'd be fun. I'm GonNa like you know what I mean. There's only a handful of podcast I can think about that are I. Don't listen to those because there were so like you to in our brain because it's like we. Did you hope this is listening? Not only but also watching on youtube and there's the funnel hang on. I yes I agree on you. Take for the people to have a game. Let's keep going wrong. Oh my God okay. I just have their who can tell what bird that is ten thousand points in the game that I just made out. I was going to try and hit this. Which is that fancy sound. We got Turned into a duck so I know you said everyone had their like ancient Egyptian time. When you actually went okay I feel like it's great seven curriculum. I'm GonNa say an Ontario. Learn about mummification. You know like they pulled their brains out with those hooks also for us born in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. We actually happened right as this curriculum is being taught to US boom. The mummy drops with Brendan Fraser was mind. Bill mind-blowing scarab beetles genius. Going into your skin. The this sort of like the fact that the Action Hollywood movie came out right as your teacher was teaching you about this thing. It was like wait. What is school? What is entertainment? What a perfect time of science communication in love with the concept of history Egypt. And I do think that it might just be a literal born. In One Thousand Nine Hundred Eighty Eight Zion gauchos or does one regardless of age. You know really feel like there was a time where they fell in love with Egypt. Well I have to tell you I certainly was. You know taking in at that time of my life but I just think everyone loves Egypt because it has you know. One of the oldest recorded history is that we really understand in terms of an advanced civilization which has monuments that still exists today that even today we have a hard time exactly understanding why or how or how long it was like the first makeup influence early literally. Didcot I with like charcoal and stuff and it's like Joel. Do a leaf end plant smashed. And like I don't know what else did they kind of. Otherwise they make them but they're just such a fascinating culture in terms of what we hear and how are like how could something four thousand years ago five thousand years ago be so advanced and build these things. And that's why there's so many theories around like aliens and stuff the came to help the Egyptians build a show like a white person definitely so that way because Okay so I wanted to specifically another thing that affected me was a handful of video games. Like age of mythology was video gaming really. I was actually better than you at that. Yeah Okay we'RE NOT GONNA go there and so basically it was like a war game but you got to pick you could. Yeah but you would pick the different gone represent your culture or you could be like Nordic or be Roman. I've been Nordic usually and I would would you name one of the Nordic God. Yeah it should be able to go flashers learner. There's literally a movie named after four. Yeah and his brother is Chris Hums Low Liam Hemsworth. Yeah and his dad's name is Sean Payton. Isn't it getting into this? What I loved about it was some of those gods you would have. Cats faces for heads when we say they would like a lot of Egyptian. Artwork would feature dogs as their gods or cats as their God so I think that's what kind of like when Carol Baskin would wear. Carol Baskin is the woman that we'd love would wear those Kat hats that almost exactly the same as the way. The Egyptians would worship their gods and goddesses. Anyway let's get actually into this. So DNA suggests that cats domesticated themselves whereas dogs were domesticated by humans. I I was like what does this mean. But I have a piece of Trivia for your Greg you heard of a Sabertooth Tiger yes and they actually existed and they live wait. What's the question? I'm giving her every piece of factors. Did you know they're not tigers? Oh they're not as they're not from the scientific name. The teak risk snow so their names have been changed to saber toothed cats but do you want to know something else right so they are actually Tigers they're called Sabertooth cat. Yes it's not. It's not their name true fair. Hey what else what else? They're actually not cats on a on a whoop de Loop de Rupe is also have a recent study found that Sabertooth. Cats aren't well. No they found that there they were interacting with humans around early hominids around three hundred thousand years ago. They have found their fossils. Mixed with human fossils and spears. So it's just interesting to know that humans have been dealing with large cat like animals for a long time. I just wanted to throw that law. They're not I don't know what to call them. They're just like another different species. Look similar to cad they really. They're not considered like the same. Lineage can cool. I love that like learning the animals around that time where there was like all these like China that humans are all existing war movies on that Hollywood. Come on when you start up in Hollywood like well we gotta make them talk. And you're like okay now. We have like a talking sabertooth tiger unless it drag ice age saying those are the only versions but how else would they make a move when I was a science teacher and this semester of ending going to be like the last week? I'd be like we're GONNA watch ice age because what they'd be like Ice Age again. Yeah because it's so inaccurate. Okay so now. This newer research has basically found that the domesticated cats come from two different lineages of sort of prehistoric cats. They basically looked at Romanian mummies of cats and adoption. Mummified Roman. Now that I wrote Romanian I am like yeah. That must have meant like ancient Rome. I I'm like I need to go to this article and read if I just make sure. It's ancient Roman. That's really want actually quickly like that. That yeah it says. Romanian ancient Romanian cat remains so. I'm assuming that's moving on as well as African wildlife specimens so basically the first lineage of cats mixed with humans around eight thousand years ago. Wait what do you mean mixed with? So what they think is because humans started performing agriculture and not whatever track did mice and rats to eat food like wild cat species would have stumped started to hang around humans because that's where all of their feed was so that's why for thousands of years cats existed this way and unlike dogs were bred for specific traits. Cats were more around humans because they were. There was like almost a symbiotic relationship. And that's kind of what it is. It's like around and so then. The humans actually ended up starting to take cats with them on voyages whether it was across land whether across e because even only boats and stuff they would help deal with rats and mice. Oh my God but the interesting thing is that looking at all those mummified cats African wildlife specimens they realized that the DNA of cats from today's almost identical so they have not been bred in the same way of dogs are basically not the exact same. But they're so similar to their ancient relatives they're legit. They're fantastic. Which is why I guess they can survive on their own and like go hunt. And Yeah because I thought the definition of domesticated meant that they couldn't survivor that humans and I've heard the argument when I was cats cats aren't necessarily domesticated because if we did all day to figure it out whereas our dog. Ernie would truly hit by a car in a second. I'm like it's interesting. Like cats are like you know they are definitely more independent and able to survive on their own like less than they can hunt cats. I know something else. Come out recently. That was like they started tracking cats. I don't know what city was in. And they realized that they're responsible for like one third of all wildlife death of birds or something Y. I need to check but I just saw you. Don't like something and then you're like I probably shouldn't say that all the time was that a read it headline mentioned it was it was in our science so I trust them of so. Am I going with this? Oh the second lineage came from ancient Egypt around fifteen hundred and I thought it was interesting because it was for the same reason. Ancient Egyptians often worshipped cats because they would kill rats and Scorpions and snakes and so they were considered. There was a couple of gods and goddesses that were looked like hat's the earliest was called math. Debt he's typically seen as a leopard or a Cheetah and then Hosue Basta is a domesticated cat. It was originally. I think through the years it starts Basta Barabas action care about it. Yeah I think that's mostly. Oh so. Then they are domesticated in the sense that the only difference between modern cats an old ones is the tabby cat pattern so tabby cats have this sort of Singapore heavy. Do you never do. They say tablet cuts ever in cats tabby Tabby Tabby Tabby Tab tabby those markings are the unique thing about domesticated county tabby marking. It's like the different colors of like splotch little yellow and Brown and kind of like a little bit like like around the No. I think it has to do with their actual code for the color. I'm thinking tattered Yeah that's a tattered tottered and yeah that would only came about. I think in the eighteen hundreds when they started to realize it was a very distinct trait because over time they would have obviously much like dogs they would have started for not necessarily breeding like the cats probably would have just spread on their own but they would have preferred cats would have mixed with humans who were calmer. Kinder weren't as violent to human so there would have been some selective reading but maybe not as intentional whereas dogs literally were to hunt these things or just swing and they definitely have bred cats based on the way they look to. Probably you know what I feel so dumb because I actually don't because I've never really loved cats and I love dogs so clear to me. Dog Breeds but not clear to me. You just lost US someone for can halt. I just you know I am speaking my truth. Okay so if you like. That's fine because also in this article. They said that cats were perfect as they were and they never needed to evolve or be Brad because they did a perfect job for humans in terms of whereas dogs to be bred. So I'm like bashing dogs a little bit like dogs to be trained and then selectively bred to take on tasks whereas cats came as they were and that was perfect so can't people and supporting style. I dislike 'em allergic. Yeah that's a good. That's legit reason. But that's my cataracts and. I just love insurance con her story. That's pretty amazing. I did not have obviously. I've thought about cats my own and I never. I never had a cat. I've never owned a cat and it is like yeah. I mean I think so but like I never really. I would not have owned a dog if it weren't for you so I'm not going to get a cat unless you're all of a sudden become a capper's allergic I can't so then I guess maybe I think cats are really cute especially when they're like dogs okay. I have one other fact that if we have time for I want to bring up. Just from the show remake. The rules true. Our producer is not in kidding. Got Her up so I looked up to Walmart. Meet donation you. Oh my God show in the show. Joe Exotic gets their animal feed the animals from this Walmart me and they feed the customers at one point the pizza. He's like come on Banjo. Dodig where you can eat a pizza next to a wild animal and then it just shows is that. Is that something that we did not want the best pizza entire and then they allude deluding in this poorly film documentary staff. Eat that me. Yeah no I know that's not very which which okay. I'm going to talk about it but it's so much. I think it's like obviously intense that if they're feeding that two people unknowingly but I looked into it and I'm not one to ever at Walmart and these are all talking points. I'm talking about Coca Cola today Walmart. Basically this programs a capitalist pig nose in Canada at least look this up Walmart. Canada has committed his zero food. Waste by two thousand twenty five which is really soon and I was like. That's pretty cool. And so this is part of that program so in one way. They've committed to optimizing the way they order food and have food displayed and how it get like. They make sure that their numbers are perfect. So that they don't have that much food waste and then they have these food donation programs that basically unpurchased food. That's near expiring or can go to captive tigers. I guess they have different. Charitable groups or organizations says Walmart works to maximize its use and get food. That is still edible to people in places that need it. Most I mean that is not as obvious Walmart that you'd always have been. Yeah we don't necessarily need to clap because it's like they should have always doing nothing but they have donated three point three billion pounds of food since two thousand five so call so that is where this is coming from and I didn't WanNa laugh the fact that obviously the people they were eating because they obviously all talk about the issue was was the eating. I just think people who assume it's not employees kind of make it seem like it's sketchy there like. They ate it to save money but they also do a lot of things like eve will wrap this up but maybe we can end with the final episode that they released recently was I thought was so frustrating but they were talking about how like some of them were like. We were sober when they alluded to the fact that we were on math like look. That was a little bit. That guy was saying remember when they're like math teeth and they cut to the guy with not very many like in order for you as an audience member. It's alluding to the fact that he's probably on drugs but he was like I was sober for five years at that point like there's a lot of time in the documentary where I'm like. I could see that. They're alluding to things very cleverly with guns and stuff that's like that isn't something and they're like what we didn't say it and it is just like their word against the document but some of those cuts like even that like Walmart meeting. They cut back to this gross image of being balling truck with like blood and water and then cut to the pizza and the pizza. And you're like okay. Obviously you're trying to. That's like film making great emotional reaction but you're right like if he's not pretty sure one of the people was like and I'm pretty sure they might have put that in the pizza. They never yeah. It was in the. There's another world. Where like every like hippy? Dippy like us would be like we actually really want support this new pizza place because all the meat actually comes off. It is all about like the way that you spending than sometimes I really felt like that but Joel McHale. Who's like hosted? This reunion of those weird was so bad like when they email email when they talk to Jeff Lowe who grosses me out which one's the one who took over his like babysitter like for obvious literally proven domestic violence really like showing like kind of like a really gross treatment of women he just Kinda Bros. That within laughs with him. I'm like a convict. This guy is like if why are you looking so silly little the documentary by going like he's the FBI is investigating him and he's going to get what's coming and it's like it's this is like he's the bigger mastermind exactly and they were like you're literally like growing out. L. O. L. ING and it frustrated me because I was like okay. This documentary where I'm like. What was your point of view? This could be really problematic. Why was this? Why are you at the last minute? It's about tigers. It's like no no no. It's not about tigers especially like a reunion Bachelorette die and then he was like it was like Ararat Bachelor or Bachelorette either one. I've never watched it shows but like yeah I'll strike them then. It's just like it like editing and everything and then. Joel McHale laughing with them and be like. Oh you're famous now. What's it feel like this is bad? Yeah and in really a. I wonder if the director had a say in that because it actually took away from the documentary because it did exactly that it was like this further proves glorifying the fact that they've become famous from the documentary and is not actually giving me any follow up like I thought maybe it would touch more on. Oh this documentary was made in a year ago in our wanting to update people a little bit more. Joel McHale get like Barbara Walters question. Yeah I was just like Hillary and his like tone is so like. Hey what's up? Looked well welcome the worse like all celebrities. I was like ooh maybe the fact that it was like in quarantine didn't help but I think if that was done in studio I might even feel more weird because they would have had like tiger print like backdrops and they would`ve. It would've looked like the survivor reunion. One other thing I wanted to bring up about Carol Baskin so the woman you love. Why did we? I don't know lame drawn towards women and people would think that were drawn towards the game now because he wanted to kill someone. Yeah I know I didn't understand you. Supportive Carol Baskin is. That is that I don't know I'm like I'm so confused. I'm like everybody. We actually episode. And they're like no she literally killed. Her husband has proven and I was like her spirit her. It looked like the cages were bigger. Okay I look like an expansive backyard events on that I know anything about obviously. None of them are being graded. But actually no you need proper. Yeah she came out and said she felt massively betrayed by the documentary filmmaker call. I'M GONNA go volunteer. I'm kidding okay. Gosh I'm so annoyed that I had something else I wanted to bring up but just forgotten. I'm the end of the day you're rating out of ten for this documentary okay. Five five okay. So he's very entertaining. At the beginning I was having a lot of I did not know where it was going but then by the end of it I was like I could have done without that. I would also comment on the fact that yeah. I feel. You've never. You've never been into more recent genre of documentary film like making a murderer like making me go to sleep error. That was news watch. How many episodes did you watch? I tried I kept being like it's heavy into this. Didn't want millions of me. You started watching was thrown. Bhagwan called like the Religious Colin. Oh I like that one. You didn't finish it like I love. That was obsessed with it so I think this is John. Rub documentary which is kind of like the new era of documentary in this kind of entertainment world. Netflix documentary meets. Yeah or it just has a very specific style and it's very formatted and formulaic. I would give it. I think I'd give it a seven. I think maybe because it was over maybe if I had come across it before I knew it was so groundbreaking and so popular. I might have been like. This is insane. They just came across this. Which happened to me with that? I knew my friend said it was good. I don't know why can't think of the name but one the one with the religious called. Oh Yeah I know I. Can you know nation or something no country? I don't know and I would have given that a nine or ten. I loved that one I found it so fascinating so this one to me wasn't quite as fascinating but I still like it still very entertaining but I agree. It didn't really have a point of view or like Kinda like these mostly bad amble. Good tensions led to the increase in the tiger issue in America Anyway okay well then you guys are closing Tiger King Book Right now. It is literally like Harry Potter. One two three while it lasted. I'm glad we wash had fun. Oh One last point it was just too long. I think they could have put it into five episodes instead of seven. Speaking of long this might have been too long. We are GonNa go okay so you guys next time. Hash takes podcast.

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The Tiger King | 1

Joe Exotic: Tiger King

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The Tiger King | 1

"This series contains descriptions of mistreatment of animals and strong language throughout. Please be advised. It was the winter of two thousand fourteen and in a little dance hall in would Oklahoma. A wedding was just getting started. Okay I'd like to welcome you to a most unusual wedding. The room was decorated in hot pink and Tiger Stripes. The audience was a mix of humans and animals. There was several people with different kinds of monkeys there for the most part in their strollers or on their mom's lap or in their shirt Jacqueline Thompson was among the guests. She watched his three men in matching hot pink cowboy shirts and black jeans walked to the front of the hall today. We have gathered to witness the Union of Travis. John and Joe Joe said that he always had two boyfriends at a time he never had one. Joe Was the groom in the middle. He had a chrome pistol hanging from a leather holster around his hips and bleach lawn mullet. His real name was JOE SHRP. Vogel but he was better known as Joe Exotic in the book of Ecclesiastes days. Bet You didn't know this. We are even better for triple. Braided cord is not easily broken. Joe's fifty one years old one of his husbands to be was in his late twenties and the other was just nineteen. Okay and can we have the rings please? Jacqueline and the other guests watched as a small eight gripping. A white satin pillow was carried up to the front of the hall after me. These rings as a Joe slipped the ring on one fiancee's finger and then on the other. You may now kiss after the wedding. The party moved down the street to Joe Zoo there. Joe was in his element climbing in and out of cages while a camera crew captured it all for his Youtube Channel at one point. Joe Jacqueline over to a bear cage handed her a marshmallow and told her. Put It between your lips if I put it in my mouth and I'm like you know hesitating to put my face through the bar. And then he grabbed her head and shoved it up against the cage inches from the bears mouth and they're just all of a sudden grab. The Food in his tongue. Ended up going down my throat and all I remember is getting a mouthful of sand and slobber it was like I was gagging and he was just laughing so hard almost pitas Vance and they got that on tape too. It was a wild celebration but in a quieter moment joe confided something Jacqueline. He was haunted by a recent tragedy. He says my champ was poisoned. Joe Tall Jacqueline. She suspected the animal rights. Extremists were behind him as well as the recent deaths of his wolf POPs and he was afraid they wouldn't be the last and he just started crying wrapped his arms around me. And we just balled together. Then Joe said she was looking for someone to provide security to keep his animals safe at the zoo and to keep him safe over the years. Joe had made a lot of enemies but there was one who kept him up at night he would just always call her names like crazy bitch. That hateful bitch. It was always something bitch. That woman was Carol Baskin. All he talked about was that she won't leave him alone for five years now. Carol had been threatening to shut down Joe Zoo and destroy all that he had built. He said he needed somebody. That was really good with a gun that could take her out and now joe was ready to put an end to it. I said genius sniper. Why have one I said actually I do? When you pick up your phone and you want that little hit of dopamine that little hit of joy in your day what are you. GonNa do right. You pick it up. You look at the news. It's pretty bleak these days you can look at social media. It's even worse. What I like to do is I pick my phone. And I play. A few levels of best fiends. Best fiends is a five star rated mobile puzzle game. That's unlike other puzzle games out there. You're playing strategically with these little bugs. They're the fiends from title. And your job is to help them. Defeat these slugs that are taking over their land and what that involves is just a bunch of different puzzle challenges so that you're popping different colored blocks and everything is coming cascading down. It gives you that sense of satisfaction when you really link a bunch of blocks together Just releases a bunch of happy chemicals in your brain every level you play the rules change a little bit and it gets a little bit more. Challenging best has thousands of levels already with new levels events and characters added every month. It's hours of fun right at your fingertips and you can even play off line so check it out with over one hundred million downloads. In tons of five star reviews best fiends is a must play download. Best means free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best scenes from wondering. I'm Robert Moore and this is Joe Exotic. Put him six feet underground. Mrs Episode One. The Tiger King just off the main highway that runs south from Oklahoma City is a little zoo. They signed the entrance. Gate says the G. W. Zoo but everyone who drives in knows exactly. Who'S IN CHARGE ONE HOT SUMMER? Day Back in two thousand fifteen. I drove down to the zoo. My editor had sent me there for an article about the man behind it. It was the kind of quirky piece that Glossy Magazines Love Odd Guy Dangerous Profession and a sprinkle of controversy when I stepped out of my rental car onto the gravel parking lot. The first thing that hit me was the smell a thick stench of Hay and cat piss an old meet heading toward the gift shop. A passed a sign. That warned zoo hold no liability for your injury for death around. All the animals and park for the Tigers weren't aborted a woman with a giant heart tattooed across her chest behind the counter with a radio in her hand as I told her. I'm here to see JOE EXOTIC A one. There is a man by the name of Robert Moore to write an article about down here gets up while I waited. I looked around the shop on the counter was a donation basket with a hot pink. Sign that read. Help US rebuild. We lost eight of our babies when an arsonist burned down our studio slash alligator facility a TV on the wall played a music video starring. Joe In it. He's holding a baby tiger and singing about the evils of poaching in pain in their own on the shelves were a random ray of items. T. Shirts underwear packages of candy massage. Oil even condoms all branded with Joe's face after few minutes a two-man video grew came in and pointed their camera at the door. You might have. We do a little shooting law. You guys are doing. Won't hair until get us on the website and then Joe Arrived Joe. He's signature. Mullet fell almost two shoulders around his hips. Were slung to 357 magnums in a bandolier of bullets. His ears pierced and so as eyebrow. He was covered with tattoos at animals. Tigers and monkeys. Peacocks document. What he wanted to do it well just like I said Emails Times. You can give me in the next couple of days. Just hang out and see what I can see. Ju said he'd let me shadow him all week. He even offered me one of his trailers to sleep in. I show me around. Joe led me out the door and into the zoo itself which was a labyrinth of bare steel cages. We passed a Hyena. Some monkeys a kangaroo and a bunch of raccoons the camera crew followed us as we walked from cage to cage. We have fixed denied. Twenty four hundred stores all animal alligators. And then we turned a corner Toddlers Tigers. Tiger's all the way down that road we'll go down. Joe said he had nearly two hundred of them were in two sometimes three to a cage. I'd never seen so many tigers. This was why people call Joe. The tiger king growing up Joe. Schraivogel was a misfit. Scrawny shy secretly. Gay in obsessed with animals can move around a lot. Wyoming Kansas Texas by his early twenties. Joe Is living in West Palm Beach. Florida he was at a low point in his life when his neighbors invited him over. Joe Walked into their living room and they're sitting on their peach. Colored carpet was a lion cub. His neighbor handed you a baby bottle and Joe. Got Down on the floor in feted. Dr Explain it like you just saw that. There's actually a real live baby lion in its fingertips not to mention how soft they are and I remember the first time that it it. Didn't you know big lives go It was an amazing Ju- head found his calling. He moved back to Texas and opened a pet store and then in nineteen ninety nine. He bought an old horse ranch and started this zoo. This husbanded time Brian. Rhyme a former hairdresser from Tulsa. Joe Name. The zoo in honor of his late brother Gerald Wayne. It was supposed to be a home for abandoned and abused animals when it opened all we had were buffalo. Some emus a mountain lion and a bear named boo a few months after zoo opened. Joe Got a phone call from a local game warden. Somebody moved out of a housing conflicts down in chat lorrimore. Alcohol was seventy and let some some tigers and stuff in the back yard and we will have really June crude decided to check it out. They got into a couple of trucks and headed over. Could pull up to this yard and the police are there. Those shares farmer fair. The borders are there and I'll be gone him into the backyard. If there isn't to Tigers Matt Line and a Black Leopard joke see animals. We're in a really bad way. They been living in houses made of rough concrete and they are shuttle skinny because they just moved left on that these animals has got a hold with garden hoses and they were eating garden houses and Shit. Now Guard nosers Because it's all their heads and eat on. They clearly been mistreated. The owner had filed down the mountain. Lions teeth exposing the nerve endings. Joe Shot them each with a tranquilizer dart and one by one. They passed out Dan. He and his crew carefully loaded them indicators and onto the trailer eight. Everybody list locked super excited visitors. I rescue and law enforcement. Not We did such a hell of a job. They gave us a police escort. All the way back to the park should wake up and killing up to par over the next few weeks. Joe Nurse them back to health and dude a lot myself in the cage with them to claim the tasers and everything else. Because I was the only one there all the time His at at that time Brian was already starting to get sick. Show he didn't come out much. Brian Jo's husband was dying. They'd been married more than a decade. Everyone around the zoo agreed. That Ryan kept Joe grounded. He was literally Joe's better. Half Joe is very extravagant and flamboyant and leaps before he thinks and Brian was the one that would pull back the reins. Brian had lived with HIV for the past four years one night in the winter of two thousand one. Brian started coughing. Couldn't stop the pain in his chest was unbearable. Joe called an ambulance gotcha emergency room and the doctor told me says if I give him. This paintshop is says you know. It's going to kill him and I said man. I is a top ten over week cities necessarily skin and bones. You waste ninety pounds getting the Hook Shot Man. I said I said. Kt suffering the following morning. Brian was discharged. The doctor said there was nothing more. They can do. Wheelchair to taking down outside emergency room. Joe Picked Brian Up and put them in his pickup truck and he died right there and then they wouldn't let me in the hospital with them because he was he was on hospice so I had to sit in the parking lot with sheep over until Latino Home God there. Someone was told me that that there is there is Joe Schraivogel and there is Joe Exotic and these are kind of two different people exactly. Yes I knew. Joe tripe vocal. After Brian passed away. Joe Exotic came to be Joe Charter was born. Can't get enough of Joe Exotic binge all episodes of this mind-bending story including an exclusive bonus episode Ad Free on one three plus now for a limited time we're offering listeners of Joe Exotic a free week of wonder plus just go to one plus dot com slash exotic. You can also find the link in the episode notes. After his husbands death joe began spending a lot more time at the gay bars in Oklahoma City. The first time was he's got a mullet that still sticks out even in Oklahoma. This is Floyd Martin. I'm the unofficial gay marriage Oklahoma City. Floyd would often spend his nights out at the COPA. A gay dance bar just off route. Sixty six at about eleven pm one Saturday night in nearly two thousand. The club was packed. That's when Joe walk-in wearing a cowboy hat and boots and he wasn't alone Damn Tiger in there. I was there the door person do the same thing they let him do. It and I was like this is a disaster waiting to happen loud music and dress and a man with wild animal. Go Year Popular Tigers and Joe. Really liked being popular around this time. He met a young magician named Johnny Magic. They briefly teamed up. Johnny did the tricks and Joe provided the animals for their big showstopper. Johnny transformed at Baby Tiger into a full grown one their first show together. June audience of eight hundred people. Joe was hooked. He taught himself how to perform magic tricks. Then he bought a Frito lay. Delivery truck filled it with a bunch of animals from a zoo in started touring the country as his shows got bigger and bigger he upgraded to an eighteen wheeler and bought a bunch of fancy vegas-style illusions and he also gave himself a new name. We're talking this morning about the upcoming mystical magic of the endangered show. It's coming to the valley view. Mall we welcome you this morning house and you have with us well. My real name is Joe Saavedra. I go by joy exotic because nobody ever knows how this is little Ricky Jones crew with tour shopping malls flea markets and convention centers. All over the country. He walked purpose his outfits. Were fantastic his ops look good. Aaron Stone Joe's assistant but then he opened his mouth and I still can't reconcile personally how that voice was able to keep an audience's attention you have all the spectacle the lights there's pyrotechnics the all the flashy backdrops the gorgeous outfits and then Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen One afternoon in East Texas Joan Erin Work for show at the town's Convention Center. They were expecting a big crowd. The local newspaper had written article about the show featuring live tigers. They were practising. The show's most elaborate illusion. An explosion goes off and then a appears in a cage and tiger that we had on stage that night for that rehearsal freaked out. Heat could not handle that loud that loud noise it was terrifying if we brought them out onstage he would be cowering in the back of the prop and it would look bad. It would be an instant. Pr Nightmare. But Joe had no idea they headed to a flea market and suddenly one of the other stagehands rooms up to me and says Joe needs you right now made it sound like a big emergency so I get dragged over to this this trailer where there's a bunch of animals in and Joe says I know how we can save the show. Oh what are we going to do? We just need to get one of these sheep next Joe into a Halloween store and came back with a bunch of orange and black spray paint and he explained that. We're just gonNA paint this sheep and he thinks that from a considerable distance. No one's going to know that it's not a tiger. So he puts the sheep in a box just to help keep a corralled spray painted orange and then gives a couple of really basic easy stripes with just some quick dashes of the of the black. Can they loaded the tiger striped sheep into the cage and ran the rehearsal again but when the explosion went off the sheep also got spooked then it became apparent that someone is going to have to be in the prop to make sure that people can see the quote unquote tiger. Joe Picked Aaron. So there I am hiding in a secret compartment hugging painted sheep. Pyro goes off. Track door opens there. I am in a suit hugging this terrified. Fuzzy creature and there wasn't really applause in the crowd. There was a quick. Ooh because pyro but then a bunch of confusion. I can only imagine that they just saw there's a guy holding a sheep onstage afterward when people ask Joe what kind of animal that was. Joe told them with a straight face that it was a tiger. All this was just bait for the real money maker. Genuine pedal right there in the mall between the sunglasses stands phone case kiosks. Joe Set up large cages. The fake grass inside people could hold a tiger cub in their laps. For Twenty five dollars. It was a hit a long weekend at a mall could pull in thousands of dollars. Joe's biggest year yet was two thousand. Nine Joe is winning new fans all across the country but he was also making a new enemy. This video shows cubs being displayed in a mall. By one of Joe Sri Vogel's entities the cubs have severe diarrhea in two thousand ten. A secretly recorded video appeared online instead of removing the sick cubs from the display. Joe's workers just keep wiping the floor and then wiping the poor cubs bottoms. Over and over. You can see the cubs. Red Sore Bottoms listened to the cubs squeal. The video had been released by Carol. Baskin of big cat. Rescue for more information on Joe Schreiber Vogel and others who abuse animals visit nine one one animal abuse dot com. The video was narrated by her husband. Howard for years animal rights groups like pita have been trying to stop Joe's roadshow but he'd always been able to shrug them off even if it meant changing his stage name but this was different. This carol person was relentless. She posted on her website that Joe was pimping cubs and shopping malls. She contacted journalists in criticized Joe in the harshest terms possible when someone says in a in a newspaper article that that the animals were being abused at one of his events he would easily like break down and cry. She even had spies tracking his every move. How did they even find us? How did they know carols? Got People watching us. I have to be careful where I post things. Carol will find out. He seemed to think she had this personal vendetta against him malls began cancelling on him one and then five dozens. Joe Felt hunted as time went on hearing. Carol's name became like a grenade in the office. Everything he built his entire kingdom was under attack. Andy would only get worse. Hi I'm sorry to interrupt the podcast that you've been enjoying but if you're in the market for maybe another podcast this is called life's short I'm Justin long and it's an interview show that I host with my brother who's right here with me. His name is go Christian Long. Our guest this week is shark tank expert. She's a shark Barbara Corcoran. She is a shark but she is. I would say a very benevolent sharp. Yes a lovable. Sassy Shark as I came to find out if you'd like to find that out. Justin had a great conversation with her so to listen and listen many other great conversations that just in this house. We've had many over the last almost a year now lease subscribed to life a short with Justin long on apple podcasts. Wherever you get podcasts. Email like it on the second day of my visit to the zone. Oklahoma Joe Student Front of an empty tiger cage holding a megaphone in front of him sat a large audience. Made up mostly rowdy kids. Joe was working the crowd times out Iraq stage French kiss but right before he stepped into the cage. Jews expression became serious. He clutched the holster on his hip. Carry guns because the animal rights people are all in the middle of the night invoicing animals? The crowd suddenly went silent. He told them that some fanatics believe animals are better off dead than in a cage months ago. They boys chimpanzees which took over here last month. Somebody came in the month the March and blew up. Our alligator house killed all Joe. Ternan gestured toward a patch of scorched concrete. Just off to his left with the alligator house once stood a couple of kids but on the verge of tears show between the hours of seven o'clock at night and eight o'clock in the morning five inches finals will cap you. Kids do these tires out okay. Don't talk okay. Because they'll be alright. Two days later Joe was in his recording studio. He just finished taping his show when his radio crackles to life. Morgan was an extremely rare tiger lion. Hybrid known is a Aligarh. Is what you get when you breed a lion with tiger to get a lighter in then breed that lighter with a lion these hybrid cats were Joe's pride and joy he and his staff rushed over to Morgan's cage. Morgan was lying on her side. Dead this hard part for the past few days Joe and notice something wrong with her now. He suspected Morgan had been poisoned. Her third eyelid. Get someone in ever seen that. With clubs we loaded Morgan's golden yellow body onto the back of a pickup truck and drew over to the vet on the operating table. That slicer open and removed her organs. Sorry Credit Hugely fell. At the cat's body had been lying in the hot sun for most of the day. By now it stunk. So bad the vet's assistant had to rush off to the bathroom to vomit. The vet checked out all the cats organs one by one then she determined the cause of death. I think he was times it wasn't poisoning. We hold the lighter back to the zoo to small graveyard near the burnt-out alligator house. I picked up a shovel and held his employees's dig down through the hard sandy soil. When we finished we placed a bouquet of pink plastic roses on top of the grave. Three other bouquets sat a nearby graves. They clearly been there awhile very here. What these frequencies four sectors lying back their kinship with when the chimps had died joe had made a big deal out of it he even produced a music video of the burial and put it on Youtube but that day. Nothing NO CAMERAS. No facebook posts. Joe Never mentioned it again on my last night at the zoo we went out to dinner at Mexican restaurant. We were large crowd. A rapper from Dallas. Even at the zoo enjoy invited him and his entourage to join us. A couple of other people tagged along to when we walked in the door. Everyone stopped eating and turn to watch. Us. We sat at a large roundtable at the back of the restaurant. In order platters of enchiladas. Jank CUPS OF COKE. The mood was festive. Even when the conversation turned to the topic of Joe's number one enemy Carol Baskin. Someone asked You about a lawsuit. Carol launched against Joe explained the Carol had sued him for a million dollars all over. What he said was just a harmless prank was a funny look in his eyes he said. Oh Yeah it's going to be worth it fifteen years. Joe Is seated next to young woman with Long Glossy. Black hair kept egging him on again between then right between the eyes that somebody's brains along. I used to fantasize about someone's brains on wall. Oddly Joe didn't seem to care that a reporter was sitting right across the table from this look at the neighboring. Knock me in the funny papers firsthand on expensive to react in some great. She is growing tobacco that she has drove me to that point at the restaurant that night. I figured all this talk of guns and brains on the wall it was part of the Joe Exotic Act. No one seemed to be taking it that seriously but I wondered did Carol Baskin so I went to Tampa. There's nothing on this planet that is more than about. I love him for that. They're just thinking. Go from purring and cuddly to wanting to kill you in the lashes. This season on Joe Exotic Am hell bent on through that she killed. She warned me about the place. It's a very much a Jim Jones. Experience come after me unless into sub with based the face. I don't care if it has fat and Jerry Springer and a federal courtroom or in a back astor. Your days are numbered. Spurting out of this temple like someone has super soaker and his head was shooting it out a couple other guys came running out going. Call the police. He burning down he he. He Got Twenty Thousand Dollars From Carol. Bask and we know you really gotta call me back. He was actually talking about paying someone to kill. You tried to get me to do it. from wondering this is episode one of six of Joe Exotic a story about two people who want to save animals and destroy each other to listen to all six episodes ad. Free go to one three plus. That's wondering DOT COM SLASH P L U S. If you'd like to help us spread the word. Please give us a five star review and tell your friends subscribe. Were available on Apple podcasts. Spotify Pandora in every major listening APP as well as wondering Dot Com. If you're listening on a smartphone tap or swipe over the cover art of this podcast you'll find the episode notes including some details. You may have missed. You'll also some offers from our sponsors. Supporting them helps us offer our shows for free and thank you. Joe Exotic was written in reported by me. Robert Moore associate producer. Is Chris Seagal? Story editor is Josh Block produced by Heather. 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Tiger King

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Tiger King

"Thing going. I. I'm so excited to talk about this with people that watched it like anybody else that watched it should be a good time all right. I'll starting here. Two three two keep touchdown the low. Welcome to your most recent edition of the KIEF sounding. Podcast this is. Brian joined by John. Brad as always Brad and how you doing I'm doing well. Don How are you? I'm I'm also. I just realized that this episodes actually panthers related because the big cats cats so as you might have noticed on our last podcast. We talked about that. We'd be going a little off script here for a little bit just with the state of the world talking about things that might be a little more off the cuff. Something that's not necessarily panthers related however we did find a way to find a subject that is at least somewhat panthers related. I mean it involves big cats. We're talking about the most recent. Netflix hit hiker king and boy. Is it something I want to get this out of the way? Al Spoilers will be shared. We're going to discuss the entire series because all three of us have watched it. If you have not watched it and you do not want to be spoiled now is the time for you to listen to another episode of our and come back to this one after you have seen it because you will be spoiled. Don't care about spoilers than feel free to continue but let me give you a fair warning. This is the kind of show that you should watch going in blind You do not want to be spoiled because you want the full experience of this show and you cannot get that with information going in. So if you've not watch tiger king please listen to one of our other episodes that have we have plenty of them to choose from. And then after you've watched it and experienced it for yourself come back and join in on this conversation with us. I just WANNA say I had to take notes to make sure I didn't forget yes and also looking back what I typed in for like the first couple of episodes in realizing how naive I was back then to the things that I thought were funny and questionable that I wanted to talk about and then by the end I'm like what like the show really Really numbs you. Too how weird people can be. Yeah and the the crazy thing to me the first I guess half hour of the first episode. You're just like okay. This is kind of cool. It's it's a zoo in the middle of Oklahoma with a bunch of big cats and the guy's kind of weird and and you know this neat I might if I ever find myself in Oklahoma one day I might decide. Hey I want to go check this zoo out. And then it's like the beat drops and then it's all of a sudden it's a just a constant array of what the thought that I just see and it doesn't stop it's five and a half hours of just what in the hell and there are no sane people. It's and every time you think there's nobody. There's no way that anybody's crazier than this. There's immediately somebody that's crazier and it's it's just it's a nonstop roller coaster. The fact that by the end of the guys that are jokes employees like the the manager of the zookeeper head zookeeper and one of the no legs. They end up being like the most normal people were like see them as like the normal characters of the show. The lady had her arm and her to these are the people that are normal. When like when I first started watching the show like these people are off. Their rockers was wrong with these people. Yeah I thought that when when the girl when they talk about her losing her arm and she's just like okay. I gotta get back to work. Cut it off. Get Back to work tomorrow. I'm like what the Hell and she ended up being the normal one. She's like the most reasonable person on the whole damn show before we jump into that too far just in case we have people listening who decided not to watch the show or need a refresher on it. So Tiger King is this is a Docu series about a man named Joe Exotic. I'm not I don't even remember. He has like five different names in the changes his name to every person he gets married to. Yeah he always takes the other person's name it's kind of a pins it on the end of his previous name. Yeah so Joe. Exotic has his own little zoo with tons of different animals. Mostly very large cats like tigers and the show kind of breaks down how this works how he makes money which includes some definitely illegal shit. His feud with another cat zoo with a woman named Carol. Baskin no no. No no no no no. It's a cat sanctuary. Matas do we'll take them out of this cage and put them in that case totally fine and bits cages. Bad is so many things talk about. Carol we'll get into Carol Baskin more but you'll hear her name Ad Nauseam and the show so kind of starts there. That's like the where the whole thing kind of kicks into high gear is this feud between Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin and essentially. It just breaks down the the operations behind the scenes than Joe Exotic and his very interesting love life along with his campaign to be the governor of Oklahoma so any ran for president. He did run for president so anyway as you guys were saying about the before we jump to do back they didn't real good with like the opening montage is kind of like showing snippets of what's to come without really giving anything away but you kind of get introduced to the characters and every single person is like what is going on with this person all like missing body parts and they are. They have like they're doing weird. Things are missing teeth so they have crazy tattoos. Everybody is horrible tattoos on this show. Our bad haircuts are both initiatives. Like I have to see what these people do. These are people. I think my favorite from like the opening like two three minutes of the first episode was when the one guy I guess he was like the zookeeper sort of like the employees. But he was like. I've never been bitten in my life and then you immediately get a shot at by tiger. Yes they introduce Dr Boban Antle. Yes I told him I was so I was waiting drink. And then he turns into the biggest scumbag on the show and then he gets up to buy the second the next biggest scumbag on the show all in the course of like an hour. And if any of you have ever wanted to know what Myrtle Beach South Carolina is like Doc. Antle is from Myrtle beach and he is myrtle beach like if myrtle beach. Where a person? It's DOC. Antle and I was not surprised at all. The Shit that goes on in his little place is in Myrtle Beach. Like that was the least surprising thing. The whole of the whole series. I love that. That doc ansel throughout the show. He's got like ten different looks between his hair length and his facial hair color and stuff and all of them are bad. Yeah no point as he just had like a nice close cut haircut with clean dave though he's got some stupid soul patch or like weird combination of like long hair and unusual goatee styles. Yeah like He. He continually looks like a used car salesman. He's not he's like the final boss of used car salesman. Yeah and then. There's they dedicated a couple of minutes of the show to him. Explaining what Baga von means and it means something like high priest or some shit like that. I can't remember exactly what it was. Did you comment his son? Which I thought was so funny that he he clearly didn't brainwash his son like he has everybody else in his little cult. 'cause they're like they asked his it was his on about like what is bog on me. And he said something about Lord or God or whatever it is that what she Like is that what he is and it sounds like that's what he is in his world. Yeah completely no sold. What kind of scientists was he? What is equal science from Myrtle Beach Carolina who owns a tiger? They didn't really explain what exactly quantify qualifies him as a scientist when it came to the musical scientists. They just. They dropped that bombshell and they don't really get into it after that. It's just I don't know because they were like also itself talk as doctor like does he have a medical license. Is He really a doctor? What it it's there's so much to unpack now. I'm looking. There's a report. This is Dr Boban Doc. Antle repulsive doctor of quote mystical science. So yeah never really had time to go into that which I think shows just how everything else was like. You don't need to go into Bat Shit and saying this show. Eight didn't take the time to explain a mystical scientist from myrtle. Beach named Baga von Dot Antle who runs a Harem and a cat zoo like they left shit out about that but I didn't. I thought that was fine because I didn't have any questions. Because it just made sense that he would have been Dr Mystical Science. Because he's he's Boban and he's also a polygamists all polygamists or caroline and she's the only one that's in that regard. She's the only one that's normal but it feels like her role in the marriage is W- of one that would be a polygamist like where she clearly is like the master of her husband. Their wedding photo is heard in a wedding dress with him on a leash. Carol is like the Queen of cat. Ladies God the I mean I thought the weirdest thing I was the everything. She owns his cat. I was listening to it. All that cat prints shit like everything is sort of saying. Yeah she was like my friends growing up so my imaginary friends were to fucking cats and I was like what like having imaginary friend like. I don't know how comment is but like you're really crazy cappers and if you're if you have an imaginary friend you choose to make them cats when it could be anything. Imaginary friends is normal in children. It's like you said specifically making them. Cats is weird yes. He can't communicate with you at that point or their imaginary world and see what it begs. The question are they. Are they like like a pet cat or they peak Brian From Family Guy Cats? I have so many questions about that. That's the question they should've asked i. Well I thought about Carol and making her seem like the good guy at first and then gradually making you be like wait a minute. Maybe she's not so good and they'll actually she killed her husband like wait okay because and I don't know maybe that's how they were introduced. Her projected that to us either way like I know watching the first episode as Okay so Carol is like the rival. Like she's good. Joe's bad yeah. I felt the same way except for I looked at her. Like she's pita. Yeah like she has she has quote unquote good intentions. But she's a hypocrite. She also looks insane. If you also. Nick Insane got the crazy is like she looks absolutely crazy. But in the context of this word and that was the first person yes and then like episode. I might watching episode two and I'm like I don't know I think this ladies actually very good at all and then and they did. That's when they revealed like her husband. Tigers allegedly allegedly and see the thing. It took me ten minutes to realize she had two husbands. 'cause they look exactly the same. She's gotTa type. Yeah let's also not forget that they have essentially like this almost pyramid scheme with their volunteers where they have to work for like five years and they still make fucking zero money. They're just moving up than those shirts. Corolla that's where that's where I started to be like okay. Maybe she's not so good because they showed it talked about in dock. Were dot the cult. Where they don't pay they get like a hundred dollars a week and then people get like one hundred dollars a week and then they're like now. Here's Carol and a red shirt for a year. Then you move up to a green shirt or not L. Whatever was and their volunteers and then they asked internally was what's the Royal Blues So what do you do here? I work I'm just trying on the fast track to get red shirt. What are you? How often do you work? She's like at work about twelve ours as your intern. Earn your redshirt to be Avante and things about pyramid schemes. That people don't want to believe in the real world before asked my question. Go ahead ask you a question. I WANNA wildly speculate first of all. Did you see that? They reopened the investigation into Carol. Now I didn't see that they absolutely should tell you why and this is. Why even realize she did this? There's a scene where Joe Exotic is in the tiger cage and it attacks his foot and he says that someone put Cologne or perfume on his shoes to get the Tigers to bite him. They immediately cut away to and she goes she. Like just flippant Lagos. Why would anybody use perfume you they not you sardine oil like how the fuck the you know what to put on somebody to get tigers to bite them. That's not common knowledge. I put ice on a on a burn or whatever but rub sardine oil on the whatever non-food object. You want them to eat like what and it was just the way she said it the way she kinda giggled when she said it. I'm like yeah she. She totally fed that due to a number of times. Where like? I don't care how long it's been if like someone accused me of killing my significant other. When I didn't I would still not react by laughing at it. Oh she definitely was real crazy with her reactions to the. Yeah chilly out. She was very jerry. Says she's very candid about it and like. Yeah even if you've been accused of that every single day to have someone who has never spoken you before. Come in and ask you about it. I wouldn't just be laughing about it at that point because that supposedly that somebody you loved who disappeared or is dead is most likely dead but disappeared at the very least like you. Don't just you don't just laugh that off? How is afterwards I at first? I thought maybe she didn't actually do it. Maybe he legitimately ran away because they they had led you know. They had put clues in there that he was ready to leave and bail on her because she was fucking crazy and you know maybe he actually did but then they said the first thing she did after he was legally declared dead was changed his will. Yep she there's no. There's no way she didn't that was like literally the first thing she did. And the power of attorney letter all in the case of my disability or disappearance like nobody's ever will put if I go missing strangely without a trace. These are what I want you in my in my in my field actually do see a lot of power of attorney documents and I can't say I've ever seen that. Specific verbiage used in a power of attorney document. It's always is it always disability or like disability or something. Yeah Yeah it's never disappearance. Yeah power of attorney ceases death so the fact yet it was very specifically if I disappear meaning that I'm not we don't know if your debt or not we just don't know where you are so legally speaking he's not dead. That's very that's very weird. I'm not a lawyer. But that's that's very the lawyer said as weird too so all your said he was an old ask dude. So it had to be weird Yeah a friend of the program. Eric Summers which is also a one of our staff members at CSSR from programs that he believes that she had him dumped out of his plane over the ocean. I don't think she did that. I don't think that she did that. Just because but not necessarily fed up to the Tigers but I mean they live on this. Massive plot of land in the swamps of Florida like very easy to hide a body. You also mentioned they stopped. They stopped investing the plot of land to after a certain point. They didn't even like fully comb over it. I believe they just walked at once. And they're like Yeah Mirror let me find. His exact comment is representing him. But yes I also like how she she very a the way she responded to the accusations was like what you do when you're trying to overlay. She's like overcompensating for being truthful. If you know what I mean like don't look nervous or they'll think you're lying so she's being like way too relaxed. If that makes sense right like you said laughing it off and being like this is just preposterous. And it's like you're not protesting enough. There's protest too much you come across as guilty on camera. Yeah like it wasn't like this was. She was recorded as having like a candid conversation with somebody. She is known for many many years like it. Could maybe be understandable at that point if you had conversation with that person. It's a fucking guy that she's she definitely doesn't know the guy like I mean he's he came around and shoot and all that he's shooting all this shit and she doesn't know what she probably didn't know what it was about but like the you're on camera like Lisa Thri like also there's like the meat grinder. She's like there's no way I could fit a whole body in this meat grinder. It's like you're right. No no way. You could like dismembered body or anything Hannigan through there. So she knows a meat grinder works clearly or how big? It is relative to parts of his body. Yeah so I think I could. I could barely fit hand there. I mean I could. I wouldn't be able to fit his hand in hand Here's here's Eric's comments. Okay carrying one hundred percent killed her husband but I honestly don't think she fed him to the Tigers. There are so many swamps. You can dump in Florida. Where no one would find your. Why would you choose the option hiding him on your property? Even if you fed him to something she made comments about how he would go out flying without his license below the level where a radar would pick him up which is frigging weird. Why would anyone ever do that? They said he didn't have his license out out into the Gulf of Mexico. Who's to say? That's not exactly how he was killed. She drugs him. Someone loads him up in a plane flies ten miles off the coast with a cinder block to his foot shark food within a week one finds a thing drowns death no blood no DNA sharks and saltwater devour the rest it did seem like she she did a real good job of like setting up waste could disappear. Yeah Lake Lanier Australia. She could have killed him and also him being at his plane. Van Parked at the airport and stuff are too. Yeah and they had me thinking he. He just bailed on her because he had talked about going to Costa Rica and I was like well. Maybe he did go and then immediately after that. They're like well then. They broke into the office and switch the power of attorney out. I'm like like and then like five years like the the minimum timeframe before I like not holding out any hope that he could still be alive. He's dead he's dead. He said we always said it's fine. Just go ahead and give me all this stuff. Yep All those. Yeah so yeah so. We all are in agreement that it is. I think feeling the police are in the same boat where it's like. Yeah we know she probably did it. But we can't prove it so we're Outta luck for right now. Yeah but like I. I can't there's that seems like far and away the most plausible appearances. You could convince me that. Oj Simpson was innocent. Before you could convince me that Carol Baskin was innocent. Yeah yeah probably and I know. Oj Simpson was legally innocent. But I mean like for really innocent. Real-life innocent you. You convince me that he did not kill hit Nicole. And Ron before you could convince me that Carol. Baskin did not kill her husband. I there is no way. She did not kill that man. Or that have him killed like she might not have actually killed him but she had him killed. She pulled a joe exotic little murder-for-hire plot murder-for-hire plot will only get. We'll get to that later but also the the whole timing of where it's like other having marriage problems. He wants to get a divorce and it's like well she's gotTa save all like if he gets divorced with her. She loses all the Tigers and all the money and all that stuff. So the only thing you yes. There's a ton of motive and she's a crazy. Yeah she's one hundred percent crazy person. I definitely definitely somebody where you would. You would fully expect them to cling onto those those cats with everything. They've got so yeah. I kind devoted a whole episode to that too and like everybody else in the whole like big cat community are all just yes. She definitely did it. Oh yeah definitely one hundred percent. She did it just like we all know what else could have happened. Yeah I did enjoy the little feud that Joe and her had specifically when he just totally ripped off their logo audience. Shit as if he was gonNA get away with not only did they rip off the logo. They took out. They took a header from the same website. And use the Kinda like Photoshop. Some colors here and there and add the word experience to the end of their name. He didn't even change the name. And he put it like he appended it like he didn't make it part of the logo or anything he just like stuck it on the bottom where it's kind of hard to see that. He stalked her website. Like percents. So you early yes. It was like big cat rescue entertainment as it was a big address that was when they were doing the depositions into seeing someone like Joe Exotic City in a courtroom like Reading Court depositions was just. I thought that was hysterical. Yeah in another thing that got me was the sudden introduction to the guy that was filming the Reality Show. Oh my joe exotic versus Carol Baskin. And he's like I'm going to be a God damn millionaire. I figure I could not figure out like Rick Kirkman. Is this guy like normal or like what's going on here by the end. I kind of settled on. He's just like normal in terms of like he's like a Hollywood film guy type weird but not like Tiger King. Weird now yeah. He's just normal weird and he he just saw an opportunity to to make millions of dollars which he absolutely would have. If you like. Obviously the the the success of Tiger King already on Netflix. That guy would have absolutely made a ton of fucking money. Tiger King didn't burn all his footage. So yes who who? Who did it? Who burned on the studio was Joe? Joe Joe Joe. Absolutely did it at first. I thought maybe Carol Baskin had somebody do it. But then the more it went on. I'm like Shit. Yeah Joe's the only one that benefited from it burning down. Everybody like some of the people that he faked burned down and all of his shit he took out before he burned it down base. It was like a couple of the people that were in the zoo. Rick but then Rick was like that was my like my was my livelihood. That was my retirement fund. And it's like yes. He's he's right as an carol like there's information at carrow could've used so. Joe Is the only one that Won anything are benefited from that. Getting burned down. It doesn't fall far beyond the pattern of behavior with Joe because he would he would literally go to Carol. Baskin's sanctuary with like propaganda type shit of them. You know being dead bunnies because they found a picture of little girls who killed bunnies their cats and he would frequently talk about shooting. Carol Baskin on camera for all the world to see you like it's just. It's not up doll and shot it on. Tv show by having dildos in his mouth and then Kelsey the girl when they're asking about the murder of a higher she's like I don't think joe he's doing stuff he's talking about killing asking. How does he not have it in them to do that? Yeah and like he burned gators which I know like you know. He talked about all all the the love of the cats and stuff but I don't remember him ever saying a damn thing about alligators or crocodiles. Slant think he actually burned alligators? They definitely died in the fire will do we know that they were actually in there in the first place because like you said we'd never talked about them. There was footage of them being carried out and I think is one I must I must yet was talking about how his his crocodiles died in the fire tube so and that was after that dude split up with Joe and went away. Apparently like as you find out later that he's he's being interviewed after he had broken away from Joe so he didn't really have any reason to lie about that at that point like this is joe on the the security footage because he walks like joe the man in the security footage show even if he could see him. Doctoring that footage to be honest. Like I mean it's hard because like all of them have horrible posture where they like walk with their headline like way forward and stuff but in the hunched over shoulders and stuff but like you had joe's walk. He was missing his crutch knee. Brace which I don't know where that came from was there when it started but they never really explained that I don't know it's probably tiger. It related I was GonNa say I'm pretty sure a lot of them have that bad posture shit because they've probably been getting fucked up by tigers dude with no legs. Like you're like Oh. He must've gotten attacked by tiger. Then he just out of the blues like Nah I jumped out of a plane or whatever it was an accident. Yeah Zip lining accident. That's what it was like. I landed feet first and I'm like Holy Shit. All these people have the weirdest backstories all these people do. Yeah can we talk about our just wanted to touch on the fact that Joe when his employees got her arm bit off and Joe's first thing to do was to put on a leather jacket with the EMS logo on it? That was great for everything walks into the gift shop like I guys. One of our employees got arm. Bit Off if you guys want to discount rate fig when you guys WanNa come back you know to this very safe fun dagger farm where an employee just got her arm bit off. I will say that was one of the few times where I saw like intelligence on his part like like very. He had a very very aware of what was about to happen like he knew. The media was going to absolutely crucify zoo for that attack. And he was right like they they. They made it into some horrific accident. When it's like the girl did just stick her arm. A fucking tiger cage like happen at some point so yeah. That was a moment of sanity for him. Yeah I was. I was very impressed with him. That's where the bar is for is that he offers a rain check or discount to people that because his employees other her arm bit off. That's that's really good. You know what this guy that's it it's it's it's good. Pr Stuff man like you. You get out ahead of it because if the media as soon as the media gets a hold of it they're gonNA make. It seem like that woman almost got killed by a tiger. I mean granted probably did. It's long enough but if you lose a part of your body I think it's you can say almost died. Yeah she's kind of a a rule walked ask. Our founding followers make a poll on twitter real quick. If you've lost the party or body is that considered almost dying or now I mean the guy that almost lost his leg city council insides ripped up from landing fee. I I think he could say almost died two and he was a losing her arm. She's like Gabbay. They tried to put it back on. And they said we'll it'll be two years of reconstructive surgery or we can just completely amputate it and she's like well fuck it amputated. I gotta go back to work. There is there is one piece to that that they didn't touch on and I'm not a medical professional not a doctor. As Ron Rivera would say but keeping that portion of the arm I imagine it would have been super fucking painful for two years to do that as well. Yeah like it would have hurt like a motherfucker. I mean I've watched an episode of House. Man I know how motherfucker was dealing with leg pain in the entire series side. Imagine it would be the same with her. That is my informed. Medical opinion agree. Yeah so another thing that I think with Carol that I made me realize errol basking Carol Baskin era. The fact does she like so joe kind of dug his own grave by giving her every reason possible to sue him and Carol Baskin of course being relentless in owning endless money to the husband that she murdered just kept suing him for everything but like going with that just the fact that she made him put his house up for collateral or his parents house up for collateral with like. Oh what Ryan not with so fucked up like I know. That was a scumbag especially when you heard them say. Oh we'll joe put it in front of me and I signed it like that's fucking elder abuse like when they had when they had the poor parents sitting there like talk into the live camera. Whatever like they had no fucking idea what was going on like. I've seen that shift so many times in the financial field. All they were trying to do is help the poor baby boy and they just get taken advantage of like. They're sitting there shaking because like they're out of money they don't know what's going on there like they're blaming. Carol Baskin granted. She is a major fucking bitch but like Joe put them in that position and I was like fuck you man. Some bullshit on his part to both but yeah but like Joe came to the agreement with Carol's UN murdered husband like all right. I'll pay you this much on like all season. Monsanto pay you this much as a month and we'll get this worked out and husbands like all right. I think that's a fair deal. I feel that could have just like not squashed the beef but kind of return stuff to normalcy as normal as things are in that world care was like no. Let's bring his parents into this. Yes hit where it hurts. And then she was also like well. You also have to stop making money off of people playing with baby tigers. And he's like well. Then how in the fuck am I GONNA pay back? Yes you have to cut off your your main source of income. Yes no I think the she she think she cares about tigers like she said she does. I think she just wants to be the tiger purse like the tiger quesions to Karen of the tiger world. Because it was like. Are you seen the memes? Like Karen. Tigers do not belong in cages. Also CAIRN has tigers in smaller cages. And they were in with Joe or bogdanor anybody else. Yeah yeah her justification for it was. This isn't a place. He Tigers in cages. This is a safe place for them to die. And I'm like they're going to live their entire existence out in cages. Because it's not safe for them to be in cages elsewhere. Got Angry to chart. And you're going to charge people to come look at the Tigers that you have in cages but much much different than with the other people are doing. Yeah by. She's not breeding them. I guess apparently she used to breed them with their former husband. But it's like doing but somehow that's good we haven't talked about Jessica talked about about who Jeff Jeff Jeff scumbag on the whole damn show. I love when I think it's the second episode the Jeff is in or maybe it's the for is when they kind of introduce them and they joe is talking about him on the phone and he starts off with like Jeff is a con artists scammer. Liar and then he gets like super personal like he's got a little Dick he's bald. He pays his wife to have sex with all this shit. It gets like really personal and irrelevant is just like Oh. He's a he's ugly. I don't like to like how his face looks like. So there's nothing to do with Java's I love. How Jeff fooled all these people into thinking. He had all this money to like every every like every person he entered into business with some well. Fuck I didn't realize he had have no money. It's like how do you not know that like like? How do you figure out that this guy's not a millionaire like he asked look at balance sheets or something like that like they? Don't ask for proof like if you don't vet the source than Dutch your own fall and boy. Did they ever explain like where he would be getting his money from? Did they now not really. I mean he just he added. He presented himself like a baller. I guess because he always just like in Vegas partying within like you know bringing little cubs along with him to have sex. All women's I guess like people he's got to have money then the look like he had. He drove a Ferrari which we found out he leased and was behind on payments but he drove a Ferrari at a hot younger much younger wife and I mean. He looked like he looked the part. He looked like a skull. Nine Kinda he looks like a scummy rich guy. That's trying to look like a rich guy but not doing a very good job with the the band with baseball cap over the leather jackets and stuff. Yeah like he thinks he's looking like a bad ass but he's Kinda looking like a try yard. He also like a lot of the time they got him to talk like one on one with the camera. I could just I was like man. This guy's just making it up as he goes the whole he's the he's the equivalent of the guy that comes to the to play basketball at the YMCA in like a full NBA uniform. Jam a yeah like a nineteen ninety. Four like Michael Jordan Bulls uniform like He. He looks like that. Guy I think. What am I absolutely the Guy to show Tibet now? He's absolutely got to take a basketball wearing a basketball jersey. My favorite moment of Jeff though by far was when he goes into office. And you took money from your from the zoo for your campaign. He's like you were embellishing. Money just shout and he's like what do you mean like he's like you fucking stole money. That's talking illegal jobs like on what you're talking about. I can't have another felony. We talk about the fact that Joe Exotic ran for president of the United States and the governor vocal up percent of the vote for you got. Twenty percent of the Libertarian. Vote in Oklahoma. I mean what was that hearing is against. He was like that wasn't the actual election right. That was like the primary. I think it was the libertarian. Primary okay either way honestly. I kind of hope it was the actual election because I want to. I want to go to Oklahoma where one in five people thought that. Joe Exotic should be there governor. Clear this up right now for your boy you look and see what it was because I was the primary. He had six hundred and sixty four votes okay. Finishing third out of three in the libertarian. Primary it's still four. People thought they should the governor of Oklahoma because even if every person on his fucking farm voted for him he's still six hundred and fifty boat. Shy Yeah wow wait. A minute is Bryan Ryan. Not Me No. Okay so BRI. Joe Had a husband before the show. The three husbands that we met were all were his second third and fourth husbands. Oh Wow I love how dudes like the Rick Flair of the Tiger King Business. I wonder if if Brian he passed away from complications of HIV into one. I wonder if he was actually gay. Probably is the two that he started within the show. We're very not gay. We just talked about how fucked up it is that he was like he just brought some guy along and fed. The Dude meths to be as like husband that was meth. The Anti Meth people should just use that as their infomercials for the next ten years. Yes that provided like years worth of of Anti Mess. Math made on dude that was kind of somewhat decent looking when he had a full mouth of teeth and didn't have ridiculous tattoos and turn him into a gay for pay essentially bitch quote unquote husband to a dude with the big cat zoo and he wasn't even gay. Just want to preface this by saying that we we here at the keep signing podcast. Make no judgment on your personal sexual orientation or preference slowly. You can be whatever you want. I don't care about people being gay or whatever. That's fine I'm just saying you know for for Sugar Daddy Arrangements. That's also fine. We won't speculate on that but anyway but that's fine too but but forcing like drugs down his throat and that part was that didn't sit well with me. I think like you said with the with the anti methods like he's a guy he wasn't a bad looking guy who was straight and got him to be a gay husband who is okay being in poly-amorous relationship and was so like indebted to Joe that he got a tattoo that said property of Joe Exotic in his pubic area. Yes like he was he completely went all in with with Joe for the because of because of the mess and maybe a little bit because of the Tigers and I didn't think that I didn't think actually straight like that's it. Neither that was when he came out of said well. I'm actually not even gay. I'm what I'm married to a woman now. I've Joe is the only man that I've ever been in a relationship with. I think both him. And was travis the other one more straight because it was banning all the women that worked at the zoo. Yeah he was just there for the drugs. Meth of the drug. Yeah the whole Travis. Shooting himself thing was kind of tragic to yeah legitimately felt bad for the campaign manager. Yeah because he had to watch him. He watched him shoot himself literally. Watched him shoot himself? Yeah stuck for like fifteen seconds just like I don't what what am I supposed to do? What yeah context for anyone? Who didn't see that echoed or is listening this dude like two point guns at people and obviously with your a responsible gun owner. You never point a gun at anybody whether no matter how sure you are that the gun is loaded is not loaded or has the safety on and he did this repeatedly did it to the guy the one time the guy was like you Gotta. Stop doing this. And he's like Oh something about the stock takes. The gun puts it to his head pulls the trigger boom. He's dead just like that. I mean it's never a good thing but I think it's it's fortunate for everybody else that DAX it like. His irresponsibility didn't hurt anybody. Gale shot the campaign manager up completely innocent in this whole thing and then we get to. What is probably the most bizarre thing that happened on the entire series the jetskis no? That was the best thing to happen to the entire thing to happen. Travis's funeral joe is dressed as a cowboy slash. Catholic priest is in the middle of giving a eulogy for Travis. Who just shot himself and his mom is sitting there and then he starts talking about how he liked to rub his balls on. Joe's face in the middle of the eulogy at the funeral. Rubber just come up put his balls in my face everybody in the park seen travis balls and just completely in the middle of nowhere comes out with that store and then he breaks out and start. Stink Song. I mean it was a great side story to this whole thing was gotta give it to Joe. Though he was aggressive. If you can fault him for a lot of things but in this series he is aggressively himself to is very much himself. Yes in every fashion and something that I i. I don't know if I admire and want to personally replicate but I admire it for him. At least there is a bit of an admirable quality and being unapologetically individual an unapologetic individual joe exotic as Camden confirmed. But then they build the pile of the the the monument in Travis memory and literally just a bunch of like weird shit styling of trash Ya Trash Arjan top of it do you guys watch out park. It was like this the start of the boys ladder to heaven the The I really WanNa see South Park. Cover the Tiger King. I just I know it'll be a golden episode. Yes get them to play. Joe Exotic like having just show up in South Park. Joe Exotic fits in. Jos is a southbound character absolutely. He's like he fits perfectly in that world the entertaining mirror man bear pig. Yes Brad's campaign manager. He also deserves props for sticking around for a year and a half in that I would have bailed like I would have bailed two days at at the most. Yeah he's like. I want to be a campaign manager. I don't care if it's for Joe Exotic try to be a campaign manager. Well I mean he honestly. It's probably the best thing for his career because he can look at potential candidates would be like I got that motherfucker six hundred sixty four votes. That's that's a pretty good endorsement. I think pretty good endorsement. I mean even even if he doesn't actually talk about who he was campaign manager for he still can technically put that on his resume news a year and a half a campaign. Manager for a libertarian. Running for Governor of Oklahoma. Yeah you don't have to be specific on your resume. Here's a lesson Brian on the business side of things. You don't have to be specific on your resume if you did it. You did it. That's true do you guys think Jeff Framed Joe or like set them up together hundred rested. Yes Jeff is the one who should be in prison well. They said that he's got a lot of. He's being looked into for a lot of things in his time. His free time might be wearing down a running down like he's got any favors by filming vignettes of him. Murdering blow up dolls and calling them Carol and saying Multiple Times. He wanted her dead and all the other shit but I don't think he actually I think jeff is the one who said all that Jeff Jeff. Absolutely goaded him into it the way like the way. I could see it based on the multiple perspectives. That were given. So you know and maybe it's not you. Maybe it's that guy you you're friends with some questionable decision making things at times where it's like they make a suggestion. And everybody's like Oh that's that's not a great idea. Don't don't do that for the sake of for the sake of having a name here where we call them chance but chance. Don't don't do that. It's not a great idea. But there's that one friend who's in there in the corner and he kinda goads them is like do it. Do it like like hell. I'll be right there with you. Let's let's go. Climb that fucking tree in the middle of the at two thirty at night middle of the park or we can fall and hurt ourselves now. Let's do it and are specific examples. You're giving right now. Yeah so that that they're I think. Jeff was that guy really kind of like like he wouldn't have done it independently of it but I think that Jeff at the very least goad him into looking into it because he knew he could he could get them to try and look into his. Joe Is an innocent. But Jeff last think jeff pushed him to do it and because like we're judge because he knows that. Joe Has that idea and said that idea for years and jeff kind of like pushed him to take that idea further and an acquisition himself. But it was just like. Hey Joe I I have a guy here in Alan. That'll do job for you right. Allen will do it for up Joe asking how to do it for him and he has his buddy who he knows is GonNa like side with Jeff Say Joe. Joe Gave me money to kill Carol now joe so Joe Guilty but jeff like planted the seed and gave him the tools. Jeff gave him the the rope to hang himself with basically. Yeah they made a great point in the show who the fuck pays five thousand dollars for a Hitman travel from Oklahoma Florida to can't even get a hit man to go from like South Florida to mid Florida for five thousand dollars and they just show up and shoot the person in the face tact whatsoever. That's still going to be a lot more money than that. I would think it would. I don't know how much you hit man cost but I would imagine that thousand dollars might get you a conversation with a Hitman. Anything about it either own for five thousand dollars but I would think like at minimum for like an person local person you would probably have to put like ten grand like front with more later after it's done not like I'll give you. I'll give you five thousand now. Five thousand five thousand now travel across the entire country and I'll give you five and not even get basically gave him. Three thousand is not just kill. Random person it's go. Kill this well known person in our world. Like millions of people know who? This woman is a thousand dollars and I will be suspect number one immediately because I've been threatening to do this for years. Yeah so yeah. So Jeff did it. And then I saw people saying James was bad and now he's not a good person because like he's got all sorts of stuff but he seemed like a reasonable person coming in after everybody else he seemed like your regular run of the mill like black market rich guy. Yeah in normal life. He probably is a scumbag but on this show now like he's not even like top five he also gave us one vision history. I laughed so hard of the jet ski seen. Oh Yes oh my God yeah I mean unless we have to break down the Jet Ski Saying Okay. They heard it. Looks like mark? Davis is long lost brother us. Okay you and nine both of you and I know for fact that he only agreed to do the show if they filmed him writing that like. I'm not be or this and you need me so you better put me on the jet ski and you know as an editor. They were desperate to put eye of the Tiger on this program and I god bless whoever had the idea to do it for the Jet Ski Scene. Because that is the perfect place for it. One of the best ways to get your show to go get real popular is for it to be memorable which this is one of those memorable shows. I've ever seen that scene is going to be a mean for so long. God yes and so. It's perfect people to watch the show. Is they gotta tune in to see the means and you can enter when you can inject a mean like that into your show especially when you have I of the tiger blaring over it like that's cinematic brilliance. I think my favorite part about it too was just the the sug miss of it was. The Guy was talking about how I think that was after like Joe was officially put in jail dude was like Oh Jeff. Fuck me over. He's like but I don yet. And then boom you Ida Tiger and him on the jets the message the slack chat and was like this jetskis feed. Oh my God. Rain is seen in television history. Yes and that dude is so serious too. That's what that's what sold for me like if it was just having fun on the with the eye of the tiger thing. I'm doing all right. He's having fun with it. Now is he. Is he was the extra mile like that's what he looked like on that day. Would you say he was rolling up to whip? Somebody's last that's what he did. Yeah he's like bouncing on waves and laugh and have a good time. That seems not very funny. But he's like he's just dead set. Stray staying straight ahead with the sunglasses on could be any more serious. Like ident- asked fully expected that scene to conclude with him showing up in the courtroom to like spill. The beans on some shifts should about jeff like that. That was such an epic thing in so many ways it was that was like that was one of those few scenes the touches on all of the boxes that the room checks off as a comedy in the in the the non comedy sector of movies and TV where it's so unbelievably serious and fucking crazy at the same time that it becomes the funniest shit you've ever seen into so out of place 'cause they're like sitting there talking to him in his little shop or whatever it is and I think even says like hold on a second and then it just cut to him writing the jet ski with either hire. Yeah legally irrelevant to the entire story. But the story would not be the same without it and we also need to talk about. Joe Calling him a walking Chucky doll accurate on east most accurate insult on the whole show. Joe Joe's got some some zingers that he says throughout the show. He called himself gays three dollar bill. Which was hilarious. Yes take downs of Carol Baskin. We're always classic. I love in a what's the guy's name Rick or whatever talking about he was who was like sixty people. Watch watch them. Yeah and he got like a got him to come in and like produce it. You know so far with this show. And you're you're making this show about a rivalry between big cat zoos county. What kind of audience do you think that s were watching it? All of the people that watched Joe Exotic show on a regular basis and the people that showed up to Joe Exotic thanksgiving. Yeah I I think the Thanksgiving was them trying to humanize him a little bit. Yeah it is like close to that goes to that. Yeah is my thing my question. I had a gone absolutely gone. Awry hundred percent. I it is. I don't I would. I wouldn't have gone. I'd have much better things to do with. I don't let me rephrase that. I probably wouldn't have gone if I found out. What kind of fucking food? It was because even talk about the meat meat shop. They use the left. The thrown away expired meat from Walmart. Thrown away meat feed the the Tigers and also to in the the restaurant after they reopened it making the employees. Pick that expired fucking meet to own my good tonight with this expired fucking like rip rack like my favorite was the justification behind it. He was like you see if you take the frozen meat off of the off the counter and you bring it up to the register. They gotTa Throw. That should away. They can't put it back. I'm like I don't know about that. Joe Is that true even. There's a reason they can't re restock it. It's not good enough to put back on their shelves. Do you really want like especially at like Walmart. That is not looking out for the best interest of their customers. Is that really what you want? If Walmart won't give it to you I mean So I have people have a couple of friends that have not watch tiger king and don't plan on watching it all the way through and I think I'm GonNa have them all go to like James Is Has James Yet. James's interview and like the twenty second build up to the interview and then the Jet Ski saying just to hear they're like if you don't have five and a half hours to devote to it or you don't WanNa watch all five and a half hours of it you can. Kinda STOP ONCE. They start talking about the trial yet. There's no like new crazy shit like other than you learnt. Excuse the jet ski and then learning that the husbands are not back out the husbands are straight. Then you can kinda start fast forwarding. It a little bit that point though. You're pretty well invested in the show. Yes yes to I HAVE DR GO AHEAD. I I had a new slightly new point to bring up but so if you have friends who don't WanNa Watch it. I'm going to give you my my advice on how to get them to watch it. This is how I get people to watch the room which is one of the greatest movies of all time you get everybody together. Get together all your sorts of alcoholic fixings or whatever else you might have. Maybe you got some marijuana you were able to get legally or whatever. I don't know you get everybody there. You haven't you get a few a few drinks and everybody's system just so they're nice and like chill no context. Do not tell them what you're watching. Do not even give them a preview of it. You just turn this shit on what the problem with that is then you have people that. Stay in your house for five hours. You get them. You have to get hooked. They're like you get them to watch the first to a couple of episodes and then they're going to be hooked guaranteed. They didn't want to watch the first two episodes all the way through because the first episode is just like okay. This is a documentary about a zoo. And it's not until the second episode. All the crazy shit really starts to ramp up you get them over for two hours. I guarantee they'll wanNA watch at least the next two episodes after that whether it be at your house or on their own time. But I don't know how to tell your if you just give them to start it on how you start this and not finish it. Yeah we had every intention of just watching two episodes at a time and we watched the first two episodes and then we took a break and then we were like well. Let's watch one or two more just to you know we finished it. We watched all of them. Are we stayed up till like midnight to finish watching this thing? Yeah I watched an all on all in one sitting. Thanks Brad. It was probably of your life. Yeah it was. It was something Stephanie. Inexperienced that I'll never really have a parallel to. It's kind of similar to like abducted in plain sight just like watching it in every time. You think it can't get any more messed up. It finds a way more messed up but the difference between that is on a on a abducted with plain sight. There's only like two crazy people. Yeah like the parents are really the only ones that are just absolutely out of their Gourd on Tiger King. There's like three people who aren't out of their board and one other thing we haven't even mentioned because the in this perfectly sums up how batch it and saying this show is towards end the dude. I can't remember his name now but the guy that lost his legs in Zip line accident he gets into like rally cars and shit and he's driving a neon green car with a skeleton in the front see and they feel no need to discuss. Explain are any give context nothin to this dude just riding around with no legs in a car with a skeleton and there's no reason to but then there's no reason to that's how crazy this show is yes it's like. I said like when when they say that Bugaboo Dr Mystical Science or when that guy shows up with a skeleton in the front seat of his car. Like you're so you've gotten so numb to the strangeness of These People that you don't really need an explanation because that's just how these people are. Yeah and Mike later in the series introduced for the new guys. And he's like yeah. Just gotTA prison for being a drug cartel lord and I like big cats. I'm like okay. Cool rock on brother. I didn't I didn't even think anything about wait a minute. This was a drug board. That guy seemed relatively normal normal. He just likes tigers the only time he he came across as a drug lord was when he talked about how he was there when they killed and I've seen bodies buried on my property and shed and this like okay cool. Yeah the only thing the only thing I did was wrong with some of my guys killed an FDA at federal agent in Bergamo my property. But I need to do with it. So whatever right yeah. Yeah Oh yeah no no whatever. What am I last my last two more things one props to that one girl one woman for breaking free of the cult yes. Boban's Colt and leaving. Yes and we haven't really talked about it but Bogdan had a cult. All all of them are really though because they all in your hair his is the most colty via so his to sleep with him was basically the message that was given could even more scumbag. If you didn't you were relegated to like working like all day in the basically in the the quote unquote the basement or the boiler room or whatever like you are the lowest level on the wrong. Yeah and that. That was pretty scumbag. He does mean. But this is my favorite quote. I've seen rather show Joe Exotic is Steve Irwin's warrior. Oh my God yes yeah. I thought that summed it up pretty well means for this show our legendary as Kanada before we started the show to make sure. I didn't forget anything. The yeah the timing of this show coming out with the whole cove in nineteen lockdown could not have been better. Yeah like you almost like Netflix. Held onto this until now because they knew everybody would wanNA watch it. Then they got the Internet jumping all over with their memes which is just free marketing to get. It's even more people who have no idea what the fuck they're getting into when they watch it. It's just really a marketing. Brilliant like I. I tip my cap to Netflix. Did a great job with with probably I probably would have never watched it. We're not for this situation. Probably the most normal person on tiger king and he hid drugs and snakes. I love how candidly they were talking about that too. Like yeah you just slip through the snake open. I might live in my not just throwing drugs in there about about the snakes but the drugs Joe Exotic Carol Baskin Doc. Antle trying to figure out. Who's exploiting big cats in a scene from the officer? Michael Andy and Dwight I'll have their guns part each other man. My favorite one I've seen is it's a picture of Bret michaels and it says what you ordered. And then there's a picture of Joe is what you got. I think one of my favorites is a picture from jungle book of I. Guess it's a woman petting the Big Tiger. And they like Photoshop to slash like cartoon is D- Joe Exotic conduit and the capture is just. I hate the Internet the Internet yet. If nothing else you have to watch the show just so you under means 'cause there's GonNa mean so many of these games coming out and they're all so funny. The other good one that I saw was it was a picture. And if you've if you're familiar with the walking dead you'll find it. Funnier a picture of King. Hezekiah L- with his pet tiger says branded product and then beside is a picture of Joe Exotic with Tiger and says great value product Joe Exotic and then official jokes out of tigers and says this is the genie that appears when you're a two liter bottle of mountain dew. Go Buy me one of those. This is so good. Nothing like some verbal means to wrap up the show. Yeah exactly we'll have to do our like our bit. 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EP9: Tiger King

Citizen Critic

52:50 min | 4 months ago

EP9: Tiger King

"Social distancing slows the spread of corona virus. So stay a minimum of six feet away from others and stay home if you can more info at Corona Virus Dot Gov. Let's all do our part because we're all Hashtag alone together. Brought to you by the Ad Council one night in one thousand nine hundred sixty one on the side of a dark highway betty and Barney Hill caught lights in the sky. Two years later the underwent hypnosis to try and recall what happened some took it as fact others thought it was a fantasy but what really happened. That September night in rural New Hampshire. Join me toby. Ball for the inaugural season of stranger rivals co-production of iheartradio in grim mild from Aaron. Mckie listen to strange arrivals on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Citizen critic is a production of iheartradio and double Elvis. I'm not saying I'm mother Theresa but I'm close. I'm saying thank you. She's still a good guy. Yeah she's still. I know I think she got me to In this episode of citizen critic with the world held captive in our own private zoos. We pretty much all watched tiger king on Netflix. We'll check in with the review from a parenting angle of tiger king case. You need that. One of US comes out as team Carol Baskin and a volunteer guide at baskets. Big Cat rescue as a disturbing reaction to young children. Take off your shirt sit back and spark up the meth. This is citizen critic. Welcome to another episode of citizen critic. The podcast where we predict critics and review the reviews. I'm Scott Janet's and I'm Greg Conley and Greg. Today we're GONNA be talking you nailed it today. We're GONNA talk about Tiger King and just watched it today. Oh you was all seven episodes. I sell seven. Almost all of them said air. No I watched I watched like four or five of them a couple days ago. I watched the rest today. I otherwise would not have watched it at this point. I I don't know if I ever would have I kind of had decided I'm GonNa give this pass. Y'All really everybody was so hyped up on it the more people are into it and talking about it. I'm like it doesn't sound that interesting. Yeah of course I mean this. It was just sort of one of those ridiculous things that you're like okay. I'll stare at this for a little bit. There's so much about this new about the series that was like I don't think it was good like good. I particularly you know question. I read a lot of user reviews and they were just like so boring. Nothing happened and I was like a lot about this series. Some stuff happened as a new shocking revelation in almost every episode unbelievable nonstop. I was hoping for an episode where nothing happened yet so I can catch my breath a little bit honestly thing made me feel bad like it made me feel bad about humanity. Maybe feel great about myself yeah. It was unreal totally unreal and Yeah just just all. These abused people the cycle of abuse in just fucking people up in poverty and Wjm This quest for fame and you know like us. Yes all so awful. And that's all heart from. The animals of the animals are in how horrible that is. It's taken as a given after the first episode. It's like this is just the worst. Yeah this is now now. We need to focus on how awful the people are animal cruelty and then let's just focus. That's just your foundation. This underbrush flattened tall grass. That just sort of way. You're constantly reminding of it. Because They Harada lager that's like shit colored rolling in mud bright. You're like oh well not doesn't seem you're the lawyer in the tall grass in the tall grass. The nonsense of the series I love. There's a quarter to beginning of it. Like who does a modest with a baby tiger on there right he was like am I the only one in the world right hander. Sound Yeah Yeah my wife is like I. Don't get this whole tiger thing. I said. Yeah well one of the guys gets close to kind of getting into it. The producer of the TV show gets into a little. He's like you don't really kind of stand. The the the attraction of that the thrill and the power of it. Until you're in the cage with these tigers like the addictive nature of it. It's like you're right. I don't fucking get well. I'll put that on the methamphetamine pile of things. I'm just not interested in doing. Yeah that's they held off on that on that revelation. Not that you could guess that they were on Meth. I mean I think they're on any. I think they were on coke. They're on meth on. Whatever they could certainly get their hands on. If you look at all the staff staff is like yeah whack. Honeys like those are the guys that that Carney's would look at or just like no way. Thanks I don't hang out with them. They're not hiring. We might be Carney's but we are not private zoo folk. Keep your resume on file and Sir put a shirt on. I know you're just interviewing to be AT Kearney. All of those people anyway. Let's go to this week's feature presentation. A review of tagger King on Netflix Greg. This is a review by Lola lamb chop from her very own website. Yeah it's called a series lady. Yeah Lola Lamb. Chop definitely doesn't sound like a children's puppeteer. Certainly THAT'S A. It's not a birth name. That's not names when they used to describe people of the Delaware lamb chops is tiger king on Net flicks family friendly. Nope here's why asked and answered and then there's like fourteen thousand words that go. Yes you have to question you answered it. Here's why though is part of the title? Here's why here's why though. Yeah I'm not gonNA leave you hanging. I'm a little lamb chop I'm not gonNA leave you hanging little length job a as Lola lamp. Jeb received steed you wrong. I'm I'm thinking of changing my name. Oh to what? Lola Lamp Chop Oh please tell me. You're a stripper. Because that doesn't know other scenario that M is legit together. Hello La Lam up Tubby guy at the end of tiger king used to work at Strip clubs. Yeah that guy. He knows a little something about that is so gross like Java Hud Warwick bad wig not even a good one yeah a Dutch boy shaggy the Shaggy Dutch boy. Yeah this move my his favorite sixties Disney film that in college Boy Dirty. Sex Move Yeah. It's jagged edge. Boy Oh my God why why? Oh Shaggy Dutch boy is only something that's done when the victim and they are a victim so I woke up the next day. Lo and behold shaggy shaggy. What a hard bang with pubic hair. Not Your own terrible. I gave into the tiger king on Netflix hype and started watching it. I get why people want to watch it and then I think. Why do people want to watch this? Every sentence is a journey or Lola Ileye. He's walking conundrum riddle wrapped in. She got out ahead of herself on that one. I totally know why people want to watch I get it. I thought about it. Hey have a beep but I don't get it is tiger king something you should watch with your kids absolutely not a tiger king is not kid friendly. And here's why for one thing. Tire Games not kid friendly. It's the rating rated for Children TV. Ma I mean if you're reviewing reviewing for a mom blogging website like scarface. Yeah should you show scarface to your children know? Here's seven thousand words on Wednesday. You know when you're running a blog though you you have to be like well. I need content. I really WANNA show it to my kids. I'm going to exceed how strong her argument is seems. She can convince me. I'm I'm listening. I've got an open mind the minute you meet. Joe Exotic the eccentric star of Tiger King murder mayhem and madness. You can understand how this would be good trash TV. And it is if you're into that sort of thing and I am if you're a depraved. Animal like me from his mullet to his first f-bomb to the first time he caresses big cat out. Ch- you may find yourself rooting for him or attracted to him. I feel like that sent the little bit attracted to him Enter Carol Baskin. The other side of this story. The one who wants to put a stop to Joe's exploitation of tigers the Yang. If you will is she the good guy though Nope you know right away. I mean even before they get into that right when she's positioned as just like the good guy even then they start leveling accusations against her and the film doesn't give her side of it which is immediately a tip off flake of she did some. She did some shit or this is a horribly done documentary that just it needed a villain and they kind of made her villain team team. Carol Baskin Big Cat. Rescue Carol over here no no. I don't think I'm not big. I might be being Howard the nineteen. I'm not sure there is a good guy in this story. Which makes the whole series. Tad Repulsive Gree- Turn there's the question of whether she fed her second husband to tigers. Yup that accusation is thrown around us. Asian is nearly proven their team Carroll says there holes there's holes. I can't believe you're coming up for truth or no. I don't think they ever feel about Carol Bask in the way I feel about Jay Bennett. Wilco documentary Mike. Listen I feel like the edited him to me to make him look bad. I think that they've found a villain. And it was j Bennett. You feel you feel the same way about Carol Baskin. I think she probably is a murderer. Tiger King is rated M for violence language sexual content drug use and more so that should be the end of this article so essentially the rating is saying. Don't let your kids watch tiger. Yeah that is exactly what the rating is saying. Here's a look at what in the first episode of get worse all Righty? Then it's multi-tiered assist them tier one language in the first episode alone there were six uses of the F. Word Five S. H. Two uses of bitch and one s there was also uses of the Lord's name in vain. Like Oh my God and Jesus fucking Christ they also say God damn in the next episode other phrases like pissing free balling. It are also used. I'm still thinking about let my kids watch it? I'm I hear you to your to violence. There is gun violence verbal threats murder-for-hire explosions graphic animal scenes of big cats. Eating other animals. One employee gets an arm torn off by tiger. Yeah some parts are blurred. There are many discussions of harming other people. Learn for your safety matter for instance when one in boy gets an arm torn off by tiger. That was a tough scene before they told the story of her arm. They introduced her and she sitting there with like half an arm. And I remember looking at it and I just think there's a guy with two missing legs out girl with a missing arm. Feel like these guys aren't good at running a title to fund it turns out an ZIP line accident Jesus Christ and then just continued to walk until the they were just like you grew right. That's the part I was like. Wait what did he say? He taught himself how to walk on his paralyzed. Legs to the point where he just like. He's just walking on bone and they were like these things all fucking dummy and then he leaves his wife and blamed the zoo. Think after thirty years I LEFT. My wife will give of myself to the zoo. Throwaway line it was GONNA eat. It was sort of like a live alone. Nah The last episode. Where are they now? Yeah it's like waiting for Guffman. Maybe Parker Posey working back at the dairy Queens Tier three mature content in the first episode. Alone there is talk of Sex Gel. Non Stop exotic manufacturers themselves. It's disgusting coach of the truly is one of the things that just kept overcoming me during watching this series is how fucking disgusting. Every one of these people is growth. Just viscerally gross. I episode talk of Sex Gel whether Joe Wears underwear. No he free balls it. This is covered in the paragraph above and talk of pure hatred. That's so interesting. That's one of her criteria for moisture content. That's mature contents discussion of pure hatred. They really get it. The nature of evil and several deep discussions in this The more characters that are introduced in the series the worse it gets. Yep and there's no question about that. This is under present accurate as there's all curtains of extramarital affairs polygamy gay and Heterosexual Sexual Exploitation drug addiction and smoking smoking smoking's bad but in that litany extramarital affairs pulling gay or Sexual Sexual Exploitation drug addiction and they drink coffee like they have several vices. There were references. I needed to Google. But I wasn't about to should've has being for that being. I don't know about that Shit. This Dutchman man turns for that do want images videos within videos checkout news the only thing being actually does is just research volumes of sex Moose. It's my time to shine. I don't recommend tiger king for anyone under eighteen this net flicks. Binge is just not for kids or teens. Listen I get it it's popular. You already told us you don't get rid of your mind in tiger king. These adults are making horrible decisions to put it mildly. Some people describe it as a train wreck that you can't stop watching but we can stop watching instead of turning it off. It's turned into entertainment for all like an exploitation of humans that have narcissistic tendencies and expectations of tigers. Yeah I mean look. It's documentary in their documentaries. That I don't WanNa Watch but I don't resent them for for other people for watching them. It's just a documentary. I know you can turn it off and your kids should be watching. These real people who've agreed to have their lives recorded begged him one in for a long time by two separate camera. Crews he was. Ego May agree. There were three separate cameras. He the guy was filming for his web series. Yeah and then had separate gamut crew for the reality show and then. The documentary team was filming. Yeah threes recruit magnificent at the most film person in history certainly in Oklahoma Oklahoma history decides to try to commit a murder. That's exactly why I think that he didn't try to do it. Greg this is Greg. I have my setup. I'M GONNA start that that. That radio station on our little miserable America. They're coming. They're coming for your kids Carol. Basque is innocent. Joe Exotics innocent. I don't know I just think all these people are so dumb and let me tell you about buying gold bars. It's he's so stupid he's on there with like the the the blow up doll. That's basketball determined fucking hat off and it's like you either believe that he is the dumbest human being alive and with that he is the believe me as well. I mean what are you getting at? I'm just said you just pick aside every time no matter what the thing is there's never a time where like. I don't even opinion about that. This dry you said I just I just it seems to ultimately I'd just like to believe it. What what is your theory about what happened. I don't think that any of those guys in a coke or meth fueled night when they're talking about like I'd love to kill Carol Baskin. I don't think it's assumed that anyone would would ever do it. No I don't think so proper. Hit If if you know what I mean like. I think that it wasn't. I think that it was when he had separate private conversations trying to arrange the murder of the woman. You know what? I think that everyone was so cracked out in crazy. That it's like everyone. You talk about crazy stuff Greg Greg. You know that there are people who choose shirt off you know there are people go crazy stuff. Who Kill People. What do you think they are before they become that person? Sure certainly shirtless there. Are these people? Yeah no. I'm not the only thing that separates the person that you're talking about from the people who you know are killers and murderers is the active killing and murderer. I mean that's probably completely true and a lot of them are Whacked out on Meth. Yeah yeah well I mean. All I'm saying is justice for Joe. I guess whatever above just never took anyone in this entire series seriously. I would not be surprised if Carol Baskin killed. Her husband and veteran with tigers. I we honest with you. It is up until this point right. Now that I'm actually the words coming out of my mouth. I have never once thought that Carol Baskin was innocent. It is bizarre. These bidden coming out of my mouth right now. That's that's just part of Greg choosing a hill and diving on it. I didn't actually dmed until I was out long. Theme meals are more fun than others. And sometimes you know. Sometimes I can tell that you know that you don't actually care. I don't get it. Where's he coming from? I also get lost a my church trying to secretly verbally. Try every door to get out of work and they're all locked okay. The docu series itself is told well with plenty of salacious characters and murder. Mystery Bonus At one point I even felt like Joe. Exotic was P. T. Barnum in the greatest showman bringing together a family of misunderstood undesirables. And well and then I came back to Earth even with the jaw dropping twists and turns. I didn't really want more well. It's because of the jaw dropping. Twitter really what? Yeah exactly exactly where it was. At the beginning. This woman went into this. What's her name polly purebred Luna Lamps? La La La Land Shop. I would love good ruined. I loved good of the quitter. Says she goes into this. Criticizing this for being trashed. Tv Yeah but then when it's not like upset that it's not just mindless trash TV. It's like no. It's a complex look at This subculture of people. I didn't really want more but I'm also not really into reality TV this this isn't reality. Tv No documentary. Some of the Tiger King quotes like this is my little town. I'm the mayor the Prosecutor. The COP and the executioner are just unbelievable. It's just real life as an animal lover. It was hard for me to stomach some of the scenes as an animal lover. You should at least appreciate that. It brings to people's attention the abuse of these situations. This is like how is this real life. It is what it is. That's point of it. And the fact that that shocks you justifies its existence. That's the point of a documentary. Yes it worked on. You don't like it but it worked on you this real life and it's important shit that if you're an animal lover you should know about while. Tiger King may be comfort food for some on. Tv It brings me little comfort. I get why you like it but I don't get why you like it again. The she's just tortured by it. 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Coq Dynamics twisted Georgi love forensic injury injury something for everyone and the big cats kids ought only majestic. I just love a good forensic intrigue. I'll stay there. That is all you need. Twist and Georgi. Love is a fairly specific one. That's not as as relatable as he sounded when you think of the Godfather. Yeah it was a pretty good movie twister Georgi love in the big cats enough very few big cats and that must've been over the moon when he saw this as it hit everything. Here's one opposite end of the spectrum. One OUTTA ten Christine P very dull. I didn't bat an eye at one thing happening psychopath Christy. What is going on in your life that you're okay. What's weird about this all the people raving about it and giving it a ninety seven percent of never lived in Florida and waste of time to watch this is. This is a case of desensitization counterpoint. Christine p waste of time to just move to Florida and go check in mail folks. Look out your window. This is nothing compared to what goes on on my block. Everyone talks about bubbles. This is my bubble. I live in a show me nonstop this shit on my block every day. We haven't even really talked about DOC antle now. We haven't to the. I mean that whole thing was just horrific and I. I think there's yelp reviews of his actual cleverly named zoo the Institute for greatly endangered and rare species tigers. Yeah he He Yeah cult cult leader He could have been the subject of his own documentary. Yeah yeah that's a cult is it. That's a cult. I have to go fill out some papers I have to go. I gotta go on. Lock some Guinness. Yes yeah well tomato tomato I live and learn enough. Okay yelp reviews for DOC. Antall's bullshit called. Come out. They're going to come out for him to duck antle coming documental. No I didn't like him. This is a review by Christie F. Five out of five. She loved it. This is my favorite thing I have ever done in my entire life. Yeah it's rare that you get such distilled human suffering. This is the peak soon as I finish this review. I'M GONNA fucking kill mice does it. And it's all downhill. I you go to barefoot landing where you can see some wildlife and have your photo taken with Iran Jiang's and baby lions and tigers. Here's one thing I would never do it. Any of these facilities is go barefoot landing. You have to take your shoes. I don't go into people's houses that make me take my sneakers off. So why would I sure as shit? I'm not going someplace called barefoot landing where you can see some wildlife and then have your photo taken with Murang`a Tang's and maybe lions and tigers. Yeah not often found hanging out together anything but Disney movie data via rang a tank just fighting for survival here in the middle. It is if you're if you're determined odds around it. It didn't say baby rang attacks. No no it's full-sized maybe lions tigers. It is a blood-bath Thunderdome for animals. These guys overestimate the power of baby. Lions rang tanks just ripping. They are nothing to trifle with. For about fifty bucks you can feed one and get your your or your groups picture. Taken feed one. What yeah I feed one to the other for fifty bucks. Cpi feed a baby tiger to Iran's I have not checked the food chain lately but I love in the documentary that they Take the rotten meat home and then end up putting it on the pizza when they open a pizza restaurant. That was guys the footage of them. He's like the best bees in my life and then later they flash to him like being interviewed was that Walmart meet on that pizza for him. Chowing down it is unbelievable here. We are I have done that a few times over the years if you do you get a small discount on a VIP tour which is off site. I did not take the VIP tour the first time and wind about at all Kristie. Oh how much fun. That sounds great. At least you can talk about an honestly right in hindsight. I'm sad I ruined everyone's vacation it's your fault Why do I didn't barefoot end? Feel that Tiger Shit through the toes. There's no better relations around just drive. You're put into it. Just make it a little. It's good for your skin. Oxidation cure your funguses and clear. Your bores panacea. Whined about it ought vacation. I'm living nightmare. It was charming. It did not stop there. I was consumed and had to get back a year later. I went again booked the tour earning for a year. Yeah this is obsessive. Behavior year later my plans were all in place. I booked VIP tour. It was Maze Oh the thankfully I got to see. Hawks and Falcons fly hold baby tigers and lions interact with Surya before she was infamous enfeebles elephant. Don't even know Syria. I assume it's one of the animals and why she cheat. I don't know I want more on Syria next documentary netflix season to food bubbles. The elephant see a tiger and a Tuygan. That's that's all a lie in a tiger in a lighter Tuygan. What's the same thing I think they would be? Tiger dominant strain is the front half of one different from the back half of the other one. I don't year GEICO commercial with the half. Yeah Motorcycle Yeah Yeah. It's like a Centaur no no. It's a mix of breeds that should never exist. Pet A strange popcorn smelling been Tauron. I was a mad of I was in love lease. Admit that it. It concede it might have been you. That smelt like pup procedure. Whatever the been. Toronto WASN'T COUNTING ON. Pop stroking her own hair in the corner. Been to wrong bike. I was call my boss. I am quitting. I am now a wildlife trainer. I will somehow give me live on site where I didn't quite do that but I do. Keep it as by backup career. I really hit the Jaguars because my mother's friend was along as she adores White Tigers. I mean think of the raiders of anything in this story more than Christie. And if she were to get a job at any of these to be the most qualified person the live here. Now Yes ben. Torah the other side Alf. Shaggy he was she got she got shaggy detriment in the night before. The shaggy death of the Dutch boy was inside us. The whole time. Kristie discovered he does named into wrong many needs for mythical creatures God Christie Mega Docks Cult-member members been to been to. It was just an example. I just want a little bit on her. Mother's friend Adores white-tie I really hit the Jackpot because my mother's friend was along as she adores wide tigers along just in the car. Tigers aren't like fucking chocolate like tigers as a as a whole I like the subset of them. That are only white tigers. She booked a private photo session. With one of DOC ANTALL's White Tigers. This costs thousands but the pictures were priceless. Oh my God for thousands. I would if I could. I do believe that they care about the animals and this is legitimate. Wildlife Preserve No. I don't that Steiner. Are you using your own words? Madam Chrissy F still to this day. People ask me about all of my super cool photos who those people is it doc. Don't worry about who my mother's friend my mother's but who hates Orange Tigers. I mean hates orange time but white tigers own. My God doors them. Have you ever seen something? You couldn't explain. There are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people that report these experiences at believe they're having interactions or abductions with aliens. Simply that defies logic. Scientists haven't found any evidence of extra tracks Yo intelligence and yet the mythology is that we have them and they're coming in. They're here and they've been here and they're here all the time one night in nineteen sixty one on the side of a dark highway betty and Barney Hill caught lights in the sky. Whether it be true I don't believe it two years later. They underwent hypnosis to try and recall what happened. There story became internationally known. Some took it as fact others thought it was a fantasy but what really happened. That September night in world in Hampshire. Join me toby. Ball for the inaugural season of stranger rivals a co-production iheartradio and grim and mild from Aaron Monkey. Strange arrivals debuts March thirty first listen on the iheartradio APP APPLE PODCASTS? Or wherever you get your podcasts okay. Here's a review of Carol Baskin's place big cat rescue. This is a two out of five star review by Chris. W This was a last minute decision before heading to the airport. Okay well have you ever heard my answer me honestly. Have you ever been heading the be like lions sanctuary sanctuary indices big cats big cat sanctuary nipples hard? My nipples are hard. I WANNA see big cats you know. Our family has visited many animal parks and this was on the better end of care for the animals. A better not the best woman. Good no I'M NOT GONNA lie to you didn't openly taste them in front of us so this is the way it was frankly appalling but on the better end we're connoisseurs. L. Of animal as this was on the better end. The cats were lively and easy to see understand. They're in fucking gauges right in front of your face. Their three dimensional expand understandably. There are a lot of rules to keeping a to keep everyone safe however our tour guide took it to a whole new level Jenny. The tour guide is a reason retiree from thirty years as a schoolteacher. Oh June and has decided. She misses instructing in controlling people. So she will do that now as a toward the role of schoolteachers. And this guy's head is just you know controlling people. She taught for thirty years and now has to work in a fucking tiger. Bill isn't God. Give her a break to begin before the tour started she approached our married daughter on three occasions about quote ensuring she was able to control her child during the tour. What was this child doing? This sounds very preemptive madam. Are you going to be able to be began? I want to nip this in the bud. Your kid like all kids stocks. You don't look like you speak the language of control to this little. Why would you tell one of these animals to a place where we already have animals? We have plenty of food if you brought to throw in the Tiger Ben. We can't do that believe me? I've inquired they will not allow it so with those things in mind they study. You think that you can control this absolute Gremlin for they started. She went up. One Time Madam. Are you going to be able to enjoy a good up a second time? And then Ma'am third time and Ben like at that point. She was calling her child. She was like. Are you gonNA make the Bait? 'cause that's what your child is right. Now it's Bait. Can it be contained? I'll tell you what these cats haven't eaten lunch. And they are looking poorly behaved kids. Keep that bait in your tackle box. Please note there were no restrictions or sign saying to your older not allowed. You put a put a big animal reserve on the way to the airport. You'RE GONNA get a bunch of two year olds and babies. This immediately had everyone on edge. That kids shouldn't be there again. No signs or restrictions on the waiver and they took out thirty dollars for her to go. What took thirty dollars took out thirty dollars in insurance. It's all your kids worth thirty books shortly after. Starting the tour Jenny was educating everyone on useless information about the abusive former owners of specific cat. When my daughter's two year old Look Mommy a kitty? Jenny abruptly stopped and big. Shushing are growing up to the point of upsetting her. She just was shushing. Sh- directly into walking closer to her as she slowly fucking terrified shaking with rage by the end spitting in her face forehead. The child was silent. I'm sorry you're going to have to be going to have to forgive Janney Sheila. She she was raised in the serpent. Cage Serbian doubts. All she knows she gets angry from being silent. Just uncontrollable sobbing. Our granddaughter was comatose for six months. This could be retail now. Just go to the airport. There's restaurants and stuff. There is like a horn. It's right up the off brand beget come on. Let's go look at old abused cats. That are still being kind of abused. Bring bring to your old. She'll be fine. What Euros Wide Not allowed? They shouldn't say this. Some things in the world are off limits to me and my precious grandma. What do you mean could you? Sh- our tour guide ginny injure Jaw Vicent walking granddaughter. Some cats are not not meant to me. She was knee deep in Jenny's mouth before we broke our shock and pulled her. You just heard a slave rattle at the beginning progressively louder Johnny now. What was that due to the other keepers shows a little girl? Why are you doing the only reason why they said no? Kids was because of thirty years of education. That you wear cannot let her says she would not start back up with her. Educating speech until Briley I guess is hurting his granddaughters. Jean was compliant with her. She would not start until Briley was compliant with her submissive. Just Briley just loosen loosen neom relaxed all your muscles granted. Her lips were around her shoulders taking her headed by this point bride. Jenny's behavior made all of the other people on the tour. Very uncomfortable to the point of all the mothers were telling our daughter how sorry they were for. That's that's the mark of a successful trip. That's the end of that review. I feel like I feel like Jenny has another side of that. Of course I have no doubt that Briley was the villain in that situation. Sh- Jenny Jenny. Jenny was there a little girl? I found Jedi. Her midsection is in the shape of a small child like Anaconda. We're going to have to cut her open any baby. Our belly looks like Jon voight. Ooh Well let's talk briefly about the music career I mean. That's not his voice correct. That's not his voice. I'm just going to tell you. The singing voice is not his so he had a band. He hired somebody a talented. I I don't know who or I can't prove this but It's probably listen to his voice leg. Terrible voice this genuinely voice of an angel. Yeah this terrible terrible music terribly produced music. No I just took it for. I know that there's a lot of technology. No so that's the first thing the second thing. I WANNA talk about his video he made for. I think it was here. Kitty Kitty the House has the has the look alike of Carol in the video. Who looks a lot like? There's so much like I said to my wife I was like what must the casting sessions billing for this? How fine this would so much liquor. That wasn't Carol Basket and end the outrage of it where he's having her feed her husband. Tiger. Yeah and on top of it all. He's just dressed as a priest weirdest costume changes. He does sometimes just drop into a priest costume their husbands funeral. You're not or Danes like this. And then he sings along with the track the funeral along with the track supposedly have Mugabe. So it's all just a big shame. I think it's George Strait. I'm sure it's out there by now. Who obviously I did. Actually I saw a title of a of an article that was like meet. The real band did all Joe Song. You didn't make that much money from the zoo. Who COULD AFFORD TO PAY? That would do that. Oh I'm sure I don't know if some sing one hundred two hundred bucks a fucking song for an anti depressant. We're going to leave it there. Thanks for listening to this episode of Citizens Citizens Skirt and he didn't even know what the thing is called citizens critic Citizens Okra Saint Patrick's Day twenty five bucks. And you think this podcast is call citizens critics. I this is my bottom. We'll be back next week And please be sure to follow us on scream at citizen critic odd review on Apple. 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The Case of The Tiger King

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The Case of The Tiger King

"The views and opinions expressed in. This podcast are simply that opinions. All are presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law sensitive topics are discussed discretion is advised on this week's court. Tv podcast the netflix documentary tiger king has become a national sensation and opens the door to a number of legal issues was Joe. Exotic setup could his nemesis Carol Baskin. Come UNDER MORE POLICE. Scrutiny due to the publicity plus we'll discuss the constitutional implications of Kobe nineteen and religious liberty and get an update. On what Harvey Weinstein's life is light imprisoned? This is the court TV podcast with Vinny Polygon and Seema IR welcome to the Court TV. Podcast I'M C. Meyer with vinny politics. We are still socially distant but the good news is we are bringing you the podcast every week and we are back on the air. That's right we're back on. We're back on court TV. We're live every night from eight to eleven so check us out there number one number two. Let me tell you. See Him. Being socially isolated the way I am right and you're done locked up with a little bit of extra time because no commuting or anything got more time to watch some. Tv OTHER THAN COURT TV. And I've been on Netflix. And like millions of other Americans obsess and hooked and binged on Tiger King. Okay well you have to give Julie Grant Credit because Julie Grant our other CO anchor. She got you hooked on Tiger King. And then you just fell for it absolutely I went. I went all in. Did it all in like a day and a half and learned a lot learned a lot you know when we signed up for court TV they said Okay Sima. We want you to be a hard hitting legal journalists. You're going to be overwhelmed with assignments. You're writing your producing. You're anchoring your reporting and then it I was told. Yeah you have to sit home and watch tiger king and ask for a raise. I didn't get one and I tried. Okay so this is a legal story. That's what you need to get it in. This is a legal story in two senses on the one sense you've got an unsolved mystery. That could be a true crime and on the other hand you had an actual federal trial Sima Ire of Federal Trope. Shall we say this spoiler alert? Yeah there we go did it already. If you haven't binged you need to but if you haven't you'll still enjoy what we're gonNA talk about here because Sima Refuses to watch the whole series. It's not that I refuse because so when I was cleaning the apartment this weekend under the strict orders of our podcast producer. You must watch tiger king. I tried I really tried but my problem is I find it so disturbing. I find it really disturbing Joe Exotic and I do feel sorry for him because I think this is just one of the first episodes. I only saw I only got through. What two or three you know. When he talks about how hard it was for him to come out and as a gay man and and you know how his father completely rejected him and I really have a point here Vinnie. I think this is the example of people whose lives fall apart when they don't have parents who support them. I mean people like you and me. We have the greatest parents right. Always talked about how our parents have supported us even changing careers. So what you're saying. Life fell apart because his father rejected him go. Joe Exotic was raised by our parents. It would be. We wouldn't have this show. Well let me tell you this. Here's here's the big takeaway. Though is that by the end of the series against spoiler alert. There's a trial federal trial for Joe Exotic and it has to do a two things one a murder for hire plot against his rival. Carol Baskin who she runs a big cat rescue in Florida. He runs a private zoo exotic zoo in Oklahoma and the rivals because he feels like she's out to destroy him and he publicly speaks about destroying her and ultimately gets indicted for murder for hire plot but also charges against him involving the treatment of the wildlife of the treatment of these big cats at the zoo so he has a trial and he's convicted at trial. Seem yet yet. Many people like you and me who watched the show kind of felt a little bit bad for Joe Exotic you know why because Carol and her husband are the most annoying busybodies I've ever looked at. I watched enough to know that I hate them. Both there so freakin annoying and I still can't conceptually see the difference between what Carol is doing. I mean Carola has people working for her for next to nothing. She's got all these people volunteering. I can't really see the difference between Carol and DOC Antle and Joe Exotic to me. They're all the same and I. I do feel bad. I do feel bad to the extent that JOE got convicted. Because I think a lot of people WANNA kill Carol. I think it's like get in line. But here's the thing I spoke as one of the jurors and the one takeaway which I suspect it from the beginning anytime you watch one of these docu series whether it's making a murderer or any of these other ones that come out. The producers are producing television. They're not trying a case so they get to be the judge's they get to decide what comes in and what comes out like a judge decides what evidence the jury gets to hear a producer of a series gets to decide what the viewers get to see and what this jer told me. Is that two completely different stories. One is the DOCU series. The other is the trial and and she says that they left a lot of the information out of the Docu series and you have to take it with a grain of salt which I always do because I always feel like. There's more to the story. And this really reminds me Vinnie of the durst trial. Okay because the same type of conversation was happening between the HBO Docu series the Jinx as opposed to the real trial. Which of course has been halted because of the covert nineteen crisis but again the journalists filmmakers responsibility to the audience is very different than ours as lawyers and there is no question that tiger king is entertaining and also informative and also a legal story. There's no question it's just though. It is a car crash and okay. What are we talking about doc? Antle being a sex trafficker because that Israel that is that is. I can neither confirm nor deny those allegations that you're making here seeing. I think we should open a court. Tv Investigates Against Doc Antle and this is another one of these big cat guys. He's down in in South Carolina. A doing his thing. He's he's had his own legal troubles now as well and I think the spotlight shining on all of this people are taking a closer look. So here's what I WANNA do. Seem it because I had an opportunity to speak with this year when we come back. We're going to hear what the Juror had to say about her impressions of Joe Exotic and his rival the victim in the trial in which she was a juror. Carol Baskin that is next Fato court. Tv Live over the air uninterrupted. If you're watching television with an antenna just re scan your channels now to add court. Tv and go to Kotei DOT COM to see the exact channel position and more ways to watch court TV in your area. Welcome back to the court. Tv podcast and we're talking about what millions of Americans other than Sima. Ire are talking about because they all watched it and she she gave up to early on Tiger King. You know I I've Put in a request to our bosses that instead of our new prime time show eight to eleven PM hosted by Vinnie. Poyton we just call it. Tiger King Live Court TV Tiger Gig because we are wall to wall were and God bless Joe Exotic for giving us legal news in the time of Corona virus. Thank you joe exotic absolutely so. I had an opportunity to speak with one of the jurors from his federal trial spoiler alert again and I asked her about Joe Exotic what she thought of this man take a listen he said my name is Joseph Maldonado passage. And I'm the reason you're all here and that I knew right then that it was going to be kind of a crazy ride. Just because there's a difference between between saying you want somebody dead and actually going to the lengths. They he did on his show to shoot a blow up doll. We never never question that he wanted her dead. So it seems like it was pretty clear from the beginning of this trial that they were in for quite a ride and obviously they were wasn't the longest trial but it was one full of all the characters that you from net flicks. Many of them ended up testifying seem. I wish that we were aware of the case back then because I think that it would have just I mean. Could you imagine first of all? Could you imagine the fashion between Joe? Exotics OF PINK. Lemay a button down and his tight jeans Dole from the mullet. The mullet still lack at trial. So amazingly. Now here's the thing she in the end. She really didn't like Joe Exotic. He did not come across as a likable character. He was a guy who who she believed was driven by ego and driven by money and everything that he did whether it was relative to the Tigers or to her was driven by his ego and money. I was just going to say that. I think I washed enough to. I feel sorry for him at times but what bothers me is that he's really not likeable. And when you see how incredible they are with animals. I I admire that as well because I think it's. It's really hard to of have that relationship with wild animals not be scared and and even be compassionate with them but he's just not likeable. There's no there's no warmth in him and he seems completely narcissistic and solve abso- wanted was fame. And you know he was driven. He is a good voice. Well I milli Vanilli. We're not sure on that. I think I think I think Julie Grants investigation. She's She's part of the court. Tv Investigates Tiger King Bureau Taibbi set up now open a being. It team the tiger king team. Well right and Julia Grant and Lauren. Rudisel ARE CO bureau chief. They're working they're working. They're working the story. That's what you do around the clock. I don't think those to sleep because Tiger King is twenty four seven. You can't sleep with tiger king so now on the other hand. I understood the way she she. How jobs out of came across to her. That he was egotistical. Driven by money just wanted fame. Everything was about him treated people mainly and in the end. If the if the Tigers weren't making money for him he was going to get rid of the tiger and that ultimately was his downfall in front of the story. Now I asked him. I asked her also about Carol Baskin because in the trash in the trial. She's the victim right. There's there's there's two parts of it. There's the wildlife charges and then there are the charges for murder for hire. Here's what she had to say about the victim. Carol bashing I guess technically sees the victim but she sure didn't give that impression on this dancy she I can only speak for myself but I didn't care for. She seemed to almost antagonize him from the stand. Kind of looking over him and and just giving them. These looks when she thought nobody was looking and then saying that she just didn't even want to be in the same room with them and she was afraid of him and Just I just didn't have any sympathy for so she is not doesn't come across a great either during the trial but it didn't impact the jury. Dur- during their deliberations. Because Seema what she told me was that they deliberated for a very quick time. I mean they're only for a few hours in total for like nineteen charges but they were like done with the murder for hire super fast and then got to work on the on the animal charges so despite the fact that she may not come across as likable ultimately they believe she was a victim. Here because of the evidence I think about it. He was so out there so public with his disdain and vitriol towards this woman that they had no choice but to come to a quick decision I think where they were torn is really when you do see how he takes care of the animals you just. I don't know you question it. You question is he really harming them He's not like my grandfather. I have to tell the story of my grandfather was a big game hunter. So my mom you know. Had this arranged marriage got married to my dad. They come from India on what airline. Wait for IT Air India. Because that's where all the Indians flew back then so they fly on Air India and I don't know how we got it in our house in New Jersey. But we grew up with these two leopard skins like with the heads so we have the head and the teeth and then all the kids in the neighborhood would come over to see the eire's dead animals Animal Su. There you go divorce in my parents divorced. They fought over those leopard skins. My mom one. I mean it was her dad. It seems only fair. But anyway that was my little sidebar now. I'm trying to remember what I was talking about. Oh Yeah Joe Exotic trial. Here was the problem with Joe Exotic and basically the way the case was explained to the jury which was a little bit different than the way came across in the Netflix show. Was that when these tigers. outlived their usefulness and and he had space for three tigers and someone wanted to pay him to board a tiger. He would kill a tiger to make space for a tiger that he was gonna gain revenue from and that's that's where he ran into big trouble with this jury the other thing that she did say though was that based upon the trial there was a difference and the big difference between Carol Basket. Joe Exotic was and this picture was painted in the courtroom as well as Joe Exotic Use Tiger cubs as for petting and and. She doesn't do that what she does in her. Rescue is just had the big cats they live there until they die so so people are thinking argue. There's there's not much of a difference but for some people there is a big difference. But do you know and I'm really curious. Is there any evidence to support that letting people visitors to this park? Pet Tiger cubs is dangerous to the tiger cubs. Is it harmful? I think there's a split. I think there's accumulated a lot of people believe that that is that is not right. You shouldn't be doing that but then take a look at all. The talk shows through the years the late night shows. They always have these tire. My goodness in the Netflix series. You see that they bring him onto the floor of Congress and you've got members of Congress petting the tiger cubs. So Oh my God so cute. They're only really cute. Okay all right so next hour. We're going to shift gears a little bit. We have to talk about what is going on in this world and a a big issue for a lot of people during this pandemic is how they can pray. Where do you find a house of worship? Our houses of worship still allowed to congregate Vinai. We're going to talk about that after this for more court. Tv Watch it on cable over the Air Roku or go to court TV dot com and stream live gavel to gavel coverage. Catch up on the big moments from our current cases and relive some of court. Tv's most historic trials court. Tv Your front-row seat to justice the eternal battle church versus state but in the time of co vid- nineteen who should win Vinnie. I I think this is not a clean cut case you're talking about Constitutional Rights Freedom to peaceably assemble freedom of religion freedom of expression and speech in any kind of wrap those altogether. And yes. We've got these these public safety issues. And we've got orders being sent out by governors across the country. So the question is can people or can they not congregate in their congregations? Can they get together to worship is there? Is there a way to constitutionally stop people and prohibit this from happening so I think you can but you have to do it in the least restrictive manner possible? Okay you can people congregate. Maybe if they're all eight feet apart or six feet apart in an open area I don't know but to just shut it down altogether I think if it goes to court and goes up the ladder. There's going to be a justice somewhere is going to say. Wait a minute well. The battle is happening now. In our country pastors are fighting to keep their congregations alive and Ted Rowlands did this great piece. It's on court. Tv Dot Com and he talked about this happening all across the country on this one case happening now. A lawsuit has been filed. Its in Texas. And the pastor involve pastor. Bustamante is the plaintiff in this action. And he's basically trying to lift a judge's restriction. Let's listen to a little. Bit Of what Pastor Bustamante has to say. We're not a different that we normally do are calling. This is our high calling from God and we believe that God is so I mean this is our convictions and Every man woman is made up their convictions. We RISE OR FALL IN OUR CONVICTIONS. And that's our collections. And what would we believe that what we're doing right? We're not trying to hurt or become a burden. Jor City. Officials were trying to help so in essence the pastor's saying you can infringe upon our first amendment right freedom of religion. It just. It's it's not acceptable during this time. There's just not enough evidence. I what do you think in general? Just what is your opinion of his argument? The argument they're making are interesting because they're talking about okay. Well you're not restricting people from going to these big stores you know whether it's Cosco supermarket liquor stores and if you look at some of the scenes of people together in the stores and you're wondering okay if they can go there to do that to get food. Why can't they do the same thing to pray? So if you've got the government treating one class of of services slash businesses one way and another another way. That's where you run into run into trouble. I if it's a bright line rule and everyone is treated the same. That's okay but if you're treating church is different than you're treating liquor stores and food stores. That could be a problem. That could be a real constitutional problem and I think what you need to do is carve out a way that they can do it in a way that safe. Some alternative way. We know video is one way they don't WanNa do video. They want to do in Purcell can you? There has to be a way for people to do it. Okay and there is. Let's first before you and I go further into the legal Discussion let's listen to what the lawyer involved has to say. With respect to the larger churches what we call the megachurches those having in tens of thousands of people. It doesn't have near the impact on them. The people that get really impacted are the small to medium sized churches. Those churches like Pastor Mondays. They have approximately a hundred people or so every Sunday. Every Wednesday night is those individuals that are being. Shut down and put out of business a denture. Additionally the Bible tells them that we are to come together as a congregation as a body of believers and so for then that is a deeply held religious beliefs and to the extent that the government comes in and says you cannot exercise at deeply held religious grief that you find in the Bible. Then we believe that that is an infringement on their First Amendment Liberties. And that's what we're asking the courts raskin courts to look judge dog as order to declare it. Void invalid and unconstitutional and then to issue. What's called an injunction something or everybody going forward? Okay so that's what. The lawyer has to say about defending pastor. Bustamonte as you know the one thing that strikes me because there's going to be arguments about the religion and healing people and giving people hope and everything that they need during trying time like this but I'm wondering how much of this is driven by that versus getting those collections. Thank you because you hardwood. I heard the word business. Listen you know why then you want. Hope go on Oprah's twitter feed. She'll give you plenty of hope or do what everybody else is doing. And this is the truth. We are and you know. It's so funny the night before. Ted Did this show. Did this segment. Excuse me I was actually looking online for on Line Services Hindu services and all seriousness. I think you know we're all scared about what's happening in this world. We're scared for other people were scare for ourselves and I was looking for that. And this is what the law says. The law says. Listen if you're going to take away one of my constitutional rights. You better have a good reason. Of course a little more articulate than I am but I'm street so I'm giving you the street definition so you better give me an alternative Vincent. And here's alternative. You have online. But and here's and here's what I just WanNa make a point. I think that you know I I completely when you bring up the argument about this food stories being open liquor stores being opened those are essential services. I'm sorry I know you don't drink but me and the rest of the human race does no. I agree I agree. Those are essential services but services are essential services and for many people. They rely upon this for their mental health. Right for a way to make it through here so I understand that part. See whenever you're taking away a constitutional you have to do it in the least restrictive manner possible and just a blanket. You can't do it. I think is problematic. You need to do it in a way that okay. Why are we taking it away? We're taking away because of the health risk okay. Is there a way to do it and not and not violate that health risk so an outdoor service with with with public address speakers and people spread out in areas that are safely apart? Ken that get it? Done you bring Your Lawn Chair. And you're in an area that you're no one's within six speed of you I think ultimately if you are trying to stop something like this you need to do it in a way where you're not just taking it away. You're giving them an opportunity to do it without violating. What you're concerned about Public Safety Pastor. Bustamante should have put that in his papers he should have said. Hey because remember that video in Ted's piece boost phase out doors so do what you're saying kind of separate everybody. Everybody has a designated spot. And then you have whatever. The police officers are watching. Make sure everybody's safe and do it that way and have a loudspeaker if you need that person to person contact absolutely okay. So we're still going to stay on the topic of liberties because up next we're gonNA talk about the ACLU. They have just filed a class action lawsuit to release hundreds of high risk inmates at a federal prison. So this talks to a much bigger issue and that is inmates. Jails prisons cove in nineteen. We'll talk about that next Fato court. Tv Live over the air uninterrupted. If you're watching television with an antenna just re scan your channels now to add court. Tv and go to Kotei TV DOT COM to see the exact channel position and more ways to watch court TV in your area okay the ACLU. The American Civil Liberties Union has just filed a class action lawsuit seeking the release of hundreds of high risk inmates at a federal prison now. This specifically relates to the one in Louisiana that has claimed the lives of five prisoners Vinnie and infected nearly two dozen others. This is not a news story because in general this has always been hearing since the pandemic and that is throughout this country. Jails and prisons are hotbed for this infection. Now when you say high risk do you mean high risk to get the corona virus or high risk to the public when they are released I think they mean the former corona virus there saying well I think the I think the public is concerned about the ladder of all. That is okay. Here's the problem. Once you start releasing inmates right and prisoners what what is the risk to the public as well. Okay there's two parts of this understand the risk to the inmate whose already demonstrated to us and we're talking about prisoners. Now I'd leave right. We're talking about prisoners. Not Yeah not people who were presumed innocent. These are people who are. Because we're we're talking about prisoners because you're Ellen's yeah we're GonNa talk about your favorite press. Okay so the felony point so we've got him in the bucket so when we left these felons out early from prison right. What risk are we now? Subjecting the rest of the community to whether it is either their immediate family members who will have to take them in because of all the state home owners or perhaps their neighbors and and I think that is part of the equation here. And we've got to be really careful and I don't like these blanket releases. I like an individual case literally case by case review of defendants who are being let loose. I agree with you on the case by case review but I think you are missing a step and that is we're not talking about having these like disease convicted felons running amok in our streets. There's something called a halfway house. We could put them in a halfway house. What about that over to think about that? Well here's the other part of it right we've got all these social distancing requisites that are being put out there and orders being put out there. How likely are convicted? Felons to follow orders like that. I mean they couldn't follow the rules before all this happened. Why would they be convicted for a long time? Maybe they've rehabilitated. That's a word right. Read that maybe they have. But that's why it's case by case I mean I think there's a lot of I think there's some judges out there and I think there's a lot of lawyers out there. Just WanNa say okay if you committed this or you have this many days left. You're out you get you get out of prison. You get out of prison you get out of prison and I think no each one gets a hearing and maybe has to file papers either on their on their own behalf or by some great lawyer. Who's going to donate their time? But there has to be some level of scrutiny. Here because anytime I hear these magical words like Was Non violent offender. Yeah I remember when when when when President Obama was releasing all these nonviolent offenders and then I actually looked up and they were like people convicted of dealing drugs with. Don's with guns I'm like a drug dealer with a gun is now a non violent offender. See that's that's that's what happens here. That's what I'm always of. I know here's the thing even back then when Obama was doing that I completely agree with you because people who are in their ivory towers talking about crime don't understand crime where there are drugs. There are guns. That is the rule of the streets. Everybody knows that so. I'm so sick. And tired of people saying non violent felony offenders. They're talking about drug dealers because you cannot be a drug dealer unless you have a piece boom okay so now we gotta talk about. We gotta talk about your favorite prisoner. Who's your favorite prisoner of of your life? Not of my life heart top ten Harvey Tan. You Love You love horizon. Yeah so love him. Okay so well. Here's you know the deal. They couldn't apply for him to be released because now he's a what convicted rapist. Yes he is so he's an. He's a violent. Felony founder doesn't doesn't qualify to be released okay but I did get to sit down with his prison consultant because when you're a fancy convicted felon you get a prison consultant. And this is what Craig Rothfield had to say about Harvey Weinstein and the prison system. I think at the onset. It was just explain to him. What Could Happen You know discussed the journey. I often call it the journey. What happens when you enter? This Byzantine black hole in which is what it is. You know the Bermuda Triangle or in overall the star wars fans like the Star Wars. Cantina scene I wanted to explain to him. What would happen if he was found guilty and they revoked his bail Which would have been no different than a day out on bail when we sentenced and I explained step by step process from the mini. You get sentenced and go through that side door and get processed into the department of corrections and an important part of what you do. Initially is just disgusting. I ninety days. What are those first ninety days like? What does it feel like what's GonNa Happen to you? Where are you going to go? So Harvey still within that first. Ninety Days Craig. Ross fell still on the case I. I asked him a lot of questions. Including Hey Craig. Are you recommending? Which Gang Harvey should join like? Is it the lion king's but he's Jewish he's not GonNa get into land kings. Maybe the bloods crips. Maybe he can start his own gang. Here's my take. I think he'll do well in prison because he's he's smart. I think he understands harming he's charming can be charming and and I think people realize that he has money so I think if you have money on the inside there's a way for you to have some level of respect and power as well so I think he's going to do okay. I think he'll create a new life for himself. They're not going to be the way for us to had much different. 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Netflixs Tiger King Murderino Breakdown

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Netflixs Tiger King Murderino Breakdown

"China funnel places anticipate a cool cats and kittens. It's time for my breakdown of Tiger King. So this is one for the ages. I could not be anymore excited to introduce to you my friend at Jay. How are you? I'm Jay I am. Fan quarantined tastic. When I saw online that you were posting tiger king means I was like okay. I know I wanted to do a bonus episode. I did it 'cause I know I had a bunch of friends who were watching tiger king. Once I saw you were I was like okay. Instant message. Jay. We've got to make this happen. Thank you so much for being on the day. Entertainment podcast with me. I actually feel super blessed like I feel like I hit lottery this. I think we all need this escape right now. I think Agar King is exact. Just the complete. Oh and by the way. We're talking about tiger king if I didn't mention that already. Yeah we extreme absurdity of what Netflix has given us. I don't know if it would have played any better if we were like in normal life but the fact that we've all been in quarantine for a good couple of weeks now. It was exactly what we needed. A NETFLIX is like the Church of absurdity right now seriously. So my question for you. Mj is where do we start with? Tiger care I have the perfect place to start. Let's do it always. Yeah you always start with the most like obvious statement. Which is Carol killed her? Fuck your husband. I love that so much before we get to Carol. Let's go to our lead actor Joe Exotic. I think we have a real grasp on Joe Exotic before we could meet his rival. I mean this is his number one rival in the world. It's hilarious so even just looking at Joe Exotic like from the mullet you do hair can talk all the hair you know. I he had to really try to to have that like that. Mullet was completely intentional. And whoever did it for him MEADS RECOGNITION FAINT? They need recognition. I agree I feel like I. Don't think Joe Exotic would have had the media attention if he looked like a normal person. If it wasn't for the lake piercings those piercings were hanging on for dear life much like my sanity in quarantine I mean. He had like so many earrings. The one that was the most dangerous like literally like on the verge of committing suicide. Every scene it was in was the row piercing. The Handlebar Moustache off. I was waiting for like him to like go to like sweep his beautiful bangs like out of space and for his ring to catch his eyebrow and just ripping. It was a disaster. I mean everything about this man. The mullet the piercings they handlebar moustache but the variety of fringe jackets. And the man closet. All WINONA JUDD is shock. She only wishes if she can have five minutes in his closet up. I would love to see them do a country song showdown so this is a. This is hilarious. I had this conversation earlier with my husband actually in the pages and pages of copious notes that I've taken I have a section. That's called the craziest shit because all the other the crazy shit but of the crazy shit. The top of my list of the music videos sold their bomb. Joe Exotic if you haven't watched tiger came by now late get it the fuck together like our evening quarantine if you haven't watched it yet but you continue to listen to this podcast and then go watch it because it's also bad shit crazy. It's still going to like just take your breath away. Yeah you cannot possibly spoil tiger king at all like 'cause watching it in itself. I could tell you from start to finish what happens and you still will watch it and be like. I cannot believe that just happened. Praising the insanity of not only is the fact that this guy has this huge like quote unquote sanctuary that he calls it which is ridiculous. Yes tens and tens of tigers and lions. He's got snakes. He's got everything you can imagine. But on top of all that the fact that he makes high quality country music videos music videos are like segues between storylines. Episodes would just dumbfounded me. I don't know you like country music. I do some you really okay to me Joe. Exotics music sounds like every other country song that means one of two things to me either. Country Music is terrible. Gore he's talented. No okay wait. So here's the thing. That's not actually joe exotic singing. It's not note. Those are his lyrics but apparently he has someone else singing his songs for him and he's just slipping them dead. I'm dead okay. I mean because I was like I'm just GonNa Shit on country music for the next hour but that's not gonNA take it back and on that one. Wow that was a revelation. Oh my gosh. So we have our star Joe Exotic who runs? Gw's zoo one word to describe. Joe Exotic. How would you describe him? Eccentric that goes along with mine. I'm going to save narcissist that works too but I think the fact that he's such a narcissist is how he allows himself to be so eccentric in its okay as mine There's no words fanny pack. I love Mj for so many reasons but number one a couple of days ago she sent me some just. I wouldn't say a list of notes like it was a fucking scroll of notes. Argh I'm obsessed with it. Are you kidding me? I am obsessed with your notes. I am so on the same page with you as far as so many of the the aims before we get to care which is a huge conversation. Let's talk about his brother. Joe Accenture or Joe Centric Joey because that was something that you mentioned in your notes. Can you give the listeners? A little history on Joe's brother which is how we get to. Dwi Zoo yes. Oh Joe's brother passed away and I believe it was like a Dui situation if I remember from my sleeping pill notes correctly and in the early years of Joe Exotic he seemed when you look at footage of him talking about his animals and stuff. You seemed so genuine. A normal and worm and kind and then after his brother passed away is when this facade seem to have started with him so it to me from the research that I did with his brother seems to be like his turning. Point is his brother passed away and then all of a sudden he just went last exactly and I like it when you hear it that way like you really find a place in your ties with Java caps. You went through an extreme loss. It was a trauma that he's dealing with this trauma and even some of his workers throughout the series breath is brilliant. Seven episode series given to us by Netflix. It's even some of the people who worked for GW's zoo we're like no. He came into it for the right reason. No he was wrong and those reasons like I feel like I was late to the Tiger King Party. I watched the first episode the absurdity of it I love it was just so funny. I was obsessed but it was hard to watch scenes because of the animals and the animals being controlled by humans and taken from their moms and families of people going to these zoos but taking photographs with the animals that yeah. That is all of us on every level of Joe. Providing those animals to be photo props to the families going. They're paying nasty pictures like it's abuse on all levels. I had a really hard time getting past that once. I was able to say okay. This is a story of abuse. We're looking at all these wild characters in enlightens it up and I think and I hope in the grand scheme that people talking about this reacting to the absurdity of it that we realized that every level of this special is all of us it is all one hundred percent animal abuse and that is not okay. Now I agree. Would I love to hold a baby tiger? Oh my God yes of course I would but you know I also understand that that's a fucking tiger and its sole purpose is to hunt and you know it was created to live this lifestyle that it's not living if I'm holding it and so as much as I want to cuddle with a baby tiger or I don't know have a swath as a pet like obviously things I can't have like and I can enjoy them in their natural habitat by having people that work for companies like National Geographic go out into their areas and photographs them but leaving them alone letting them be natural and I can enjoy them from afar. Bless you for saying that because it is such bullshit especially in today's world with technology. They're like ooh but it's education of wildlife and it's like fuck deal but Joe's animal sanctuary was definitely not an animal sanctuary rainy end so not only was he not treating the animals fair with the man has an obsession with firearms which is terrifying so scary like he has. He has a gun on him at all times. A couple of his staff members armed. Which when you think about it. It's like yeah. There could be an attack. But he's like I wouldn't kill cats. I would kill a human and I'm not saying it's okay to kill anybody just the whole psyche of it in. I think this is a good transition for us to start talk. Baskin his number one enemy in the world. She's disgusting okay. So this is where I think. Okay so why don't you talk about? Caroline give a little bit of history of Carol Basket End. Carol Baskin is worse in my opinion then Joe could ever possibly be Carol. Baskin is a fake Sony. Animal lover she is someone in my opinion. I don't know I guess I'm just rolling person. But in my opinion she is the epitome of. I WanNa Save the Animal. People like she just talks the talk and she does not walk the walk. She's all about financial gain. She has all these people that volunteer their time for six seven eight years because they love animals and WanNa help animals and she doesn't pay them. They volunteer their time and they have t shirts that are tiered by caller. And this is a woman who pockets all the prophet feed the animals and then has hundreds of people that come to her that want to help the animals and she doesn't even pay them a salary whereas Joe actually provides a safe place for his staff to live because they're ex addicts or continuing addicts or anything else. And that is what separates Joe from Carol. Carol is so much worse than him as because Joe actually loves and cares for his staff whereas Carol only cares about lining her pockets. And that's why she killed her husband again. I'm saying it. She murdered her husband. This is where I think. My opinion is so different from yours. And your realty your core. I definitely think Carol killed her husband and I think she fed him to her fucking tigers so jazz little history before I go into my whole theory on carols so Joe Exotic is in Oklahoma Carroll is in Florida. She heard about what he's doing as far as having animals and she's like he's breeding them and that results in him profiting off of the animals and that's not okay. She in addition to people like pizza. We're having a fucking set and Joe. Exotic has decided that Carol Baskin is number one enemy in the world. He was going gone on. Tv gone on all different websites. Whatever with people mimicking caroline him lake killing her saying Carol. This is you and yeah like totally disgusting threatening horrible. Here's my thing is. This is the story of Tiger King and I feel the editors did to us by incl- I think Carol is a very important part of tiger kings story even throwing in the fact that she killed her husband and better to the Tigers is I think important to the tiger king story because that's perfectly ammunition but the fact that the editors gave Carol basically a whole episode of how she killed her husband. All these people's theories on her to me. It felt like you know like if somebody threatens Donald Trump how he starts talking about Hillary that Bryant feel like the editors did it like. Hey we're gonNA start saying something bad about Joe. Now we're GONNA go totally deflect and talk about Carol. I don't think Carol is innocent at all but I think deflecting in the fact that so many people and I even posted this summer. Twitter saying Carol killed. Her husband is a new F- seen hung himself. We're spending so much time talking about Carol. Who's definitely not innocent? But I think it's all just a deflection away from Joe and another thing that I think is interesting about what you said you saw. Joe Is like hey let me help these people who are in jail. These people who've neighborhood choices the animals. Don't judge them neither do I. And I think I saw that at first but then how we stop. People got obsessed with Joe Zoo case in point being the girl SAF whose arm was eaten by one of the Tigers who is backed. Rien in five days after her. Amputation I feel that Joe Craig on week people and he found people at their lowest and was like I can take advantage of them. I agree with that but I still being an ex addict myself. I do see where he took advantage of people at their lowest. I do see that but him being an addict as well break. I can see where in his mind. He truly believed that what he was doing for them to help them was helping them. I truly think that in his attic minds he was helping other addicts. I feel like if he were sober. He would see what he was doing was not helping but thinking as an addict as a sober addict. I can see like I can empathize with what he was doing. And that's kind of why I feel like this woman. Lost her arm after five seven days or whatever it was she is going back to work is because she felt this man gave me a chance at a life that I was never gonNa have. I was going to be debt. Very intentionally and this man gave me a chance. I owe him for that. So that's the sense of where I feel that. He was a better person. Phil kind of preying on people with addiction. But he was an addict so they were kind of all preying on each other in a sense raid. They were all kind of using each other in a way. I see that so I think it's important to mention also that Carol's missing husband. He was a bazillionaire extremely wealthy. And there's so many things. I'm definitely not arguing. The fact that Carol Killed Her husband I one hundred percent thinks she did. I just don't think that that's the story that was told in that. We've kind of gotten distracted. I think because the story is so juicy but yes got this new husband which is hilarious. The fact that their wedding pictures were of her on a beach with him who was on his knees in like a tiger print cloth. It wasn't much more than law with a collar around his neck and she had him on a leash and that was their hunting picture goals. No kidding I'm not mad like do your fucking thing. No don't give a shit if not giving a shit is what you're after. That is the goal absolutely and I would love to get a copy of that picture and take my face and put it on her. My husband's face and put it on him. Okay just like posted as like an eight by ten in my living room or if I could. We're going to need to figure out for find somebody who can do that photo shop and that would be amazing. Exactly what your living room needs? It's some of my favorite underrated characters in this movie were dawn. Who is carol dead ex husband his ex wife and children they have seal my God him in. It is the funniest shed like. They're all normal looking just like basic fucking like middle aged white women and they had a normal life flake their husband slash father was totally normal. Guy That lived a totally normal life. All of a sudden he goes driving one night finds this woman. They spend the night together and all of a sudden. They're this pair. That can't be separated until his untimely death for disappearance disappearance exactly proving more than anything that she did. In fact kill him. Rights body was never found. After FIVE YEARS. They declared him dead and after five years in a day is when she cashed it like as you get cash in on the wells until I declared dead so a day after he was declared dead is when she cashed in. So it's like obviously this woman was out for the paper. She killed a fucking husband. Faddem to tigers and that happens she did. I think so too and I'm sure every other murderer no out there is like screaming like Carol. Kilter fucking has been. The whites. Didn't like come on different preparing for this. Our whole entire like murdering lives like I have not watched countless days and years worth hours of ide- TV. To not know that Carol kilter fuck husband. I'm sorry this was like Carol. Killing her husband for murdering knows. I think is like our Olympics. We've been training our whole lives for this case and we got it. There were so many `Isms of Carol that just got me on such a deep level like even before it got really dramatic with her the fact that she was like online like she has a huge online presence but the fact that she was doing those like get rich seminars before she got like highly involved in the world just proves that this woman is a con artist laid she. Yeah remember Miss Cleo. That is she's like this cleal acts like she's a fucking scam artist. She is so among the other cast of characters from this show. We have to talk about Joe exotic husbands. Yes all moral. Oh by God first of all. Let's talk about John Not John. No teeth no no business. John I loved I mean his grill is the most unfortunate fucking thing. I've seen in a really long time. But it's genetic to be the math. The hours upon hours and days that he spent awake smoking and snorting Meth have nothing to do with. Why is people like that at all? I feel I love. You admitted that not admitted. There's no shame in it but I love that you explained that you were an addict and you definitely have empathy for different cast members for that reason like if somebody who used to do. Math and still has all their teeth. I feel really bad. Judging him but at the same time while the grill is so far play. That is the most fucked up grill ever. Yeah and I maybe I listen to. I'm not a medical professional. So maybe there is something genetically that caused him to have issues with his teeth like that but to that extent. Give credit where it's okay. It's like a twenty something. Maybe thirty year old man like it is not normal. No genetic quality is going to make you lose your teeth. Like that yeah. I don't think so but listen the fact that they had the courage to come out and say that they had those addictions I mean. Obviously they didn't really have to say it. We kind of Tell Set it. I applaud that because it takes a lot to be honest with your dirty shit and what you did or didn't do and so Kudos for that but yeah dude like and he also said that. Netflix told him not to wear shirt. Yeah they said. Why don't we just do it like this? Because he was in the process. Oh my God I'm so happy. This is a great transition to the tale of all of this horrible tattoos. He has one right above his genitals that said privately owned by Joe Exotic. I love it. Oh my like when this Garay. They couldn't get any more unfortunate and sad. It's like Oh my God. He has a privately owned by Joe Exotic Tattoo right by his junk and it is the saddest most pathetic thing I've ever seen. John even admitted or in some of the footage because Carol Gaskin and Joe Exotic had just like years and years of a feud him attacking her her calling him suet the back and forth lawsuits. It was extremely expensive. Which is a big part of the drama between them is how expensive it got but one thing even John who was married to Joe Exotic said that there's a scene where Joe Exotic and his two husbands John and Travis were hovering over her Florida property taking pictures because they said rinky-dink and like poorly done poorly constructed and he said that Joe absolutely wanted to drop of a grenade on her sanctuary. There were so many threats from Joe Carroll but an again later on in the series they talk to law enforcement Josh. I don't remember exactly what he was but he reminded us that. There's free speech in this country just because you threaten them and you even detail how you're going to do it. It's free speech until something happens. That's and that's scary at dinner. It is terrifying and in in that aspect all aspects. I feel I felt bad for Carol. That was frightening however he also. How many years did he go saying he was going to do something to her? And never did so you. Kinda like to me. They were idle right the rats but again it wasn't me he was threatening but I still even when he was making the threats. I even feel like everybody around him. They kind of knew they were idle like he was doing that. And Talking Shit will like even dawn carols dead or missing husband. You explained to his family like I found this angel and they're like you might have found an angel but she's the angel of death and you're gonNA figure it out and many witnessing so there you go yeah come from Tiger King or goals from the single girls who are saying. I can't find one guy and Joe. Exotic is a gay man who gets to straighten and Mary him like what. The Fuck is wrong with my life. Yeah of his first two husbands John is the one with not. He's a mess. But the other one travis is not a bad looking guy hey handsome he was really a good looking young guy like he was like nineteen shooting. Real yeah it was a good looking young man. I think his addiction is why desperate times desperate measures. Here's this young kid. He has an addiction. And here's this older man who appears to have all this money and drugs breath and so now now you're in a gay role triple anything. Yeah it is a thing apparently and I have trouble rarely normal. They're normal guys though. I'm jealous only because that sounds like a dinner party. I want to be at that. Was part okay? So that's ripple was thing we learned of so many other characters before we moved to the other characters. We see several episodes at this point. I think we've kind of gone chronologically. We've learned that JOE has one to do get his hand in politics. Hold my fucking God. His campaign manager is this guy deserves a cheetah. Whatever city will give him one? This man has the patience that I only dream of having. He is just amazing and also not only the patients but the ambition like the fact that this guy went to college like an educated person. He went like you studied. Political Science is goal in life is to become a campaign manager. He sees Ozzy's would a hot fucking train wreck it is. He knows it's going to be a disaster but he's like this is this. This is like the foot in the door that I need to build a career and he became involved. I Love Josh. Dial Josh style campaign manager. I hope he's got a girlfriend. I hope he's got a wife who's getting laid. I don't know if he's straighter day or whatnot. I just hope that this guy is getting some. I really honestly feel that. He was the one truly good person. There were a lot of good people. He was the only sane good person in this whole cast of characters. He was pure to me. Will he was pure? You seemed like a good guy. I'm using the term confessionals like real housewives but like when the like in an active scene just like a camera of sitting down explaining the story. Why was Josh in a chicken coop? You know that is one of the mistakes that he would have to answer and I think that we should try to find him and ask him map because that is odd but the one that plagues me is. Why WAS SAF? Who Lost Her fucking arm at work? Who went to work five days after amputation? Is there confession a dumpster like in a junk yard late? She is literally amid trash like. She is sitting in piles of trash like that movie. The accuracy it will issue sitting in front of one of the movie props from idiosyncrasy. I don't understand his bitch not been through enough like she literally deserve to be sitting in. An air. Conditioned area may be sub like a trailer even like like hot shirtless. Greek men lake fanning her. Are we all yams feeding her? Because that's true seriously I have played one percent of that work ethic might work details such bullshit compared to that chick like she lost her arm and went to work in a week. I get a hangnail and I'm like Oh my God. I'm going to need to call in today. Because I like swallowed. Water down the wrong side and concrete and that justifies me. Not Going to work the next day. I'm with you I. That is my my Mo. so yeah. I I applaud her like seriously. Self was a real that chick. Mvp I mean she's a superhero for sure Non MVP's go to the rest. Oh okay hold on one more other person that I think is a truly good person. Take back saying that Josh was the only one. The only other good person was the guy who did the filmography who just drink coffee and smoke cigarettes the whole thing. The one the video camera guy did the reality show. Yeah Joe Exotic that Guy. First of all was a credible television cameraman and producer. Who Ends up working for Joe Exotic and that basically just took every ounce of gravity from the man and I thought he was a really good dude. We okay so let's add one more person to that list guy. I can't remember his name but the one that was missing bolts legs. Yes I don't remember his name either but he was a really good guy too. He was very genuine and I truly believe that he cared about the animals and Joe and everybody else and yeah. I kind of liked his. I don't like staying character because it's it's their actual story. So like I hate saying his character Bush key it in the documentary was somebody that was I enjoyed. He was very likeable. And that was part of South Story. She's like after she lost our. I'm working with a guy with no legs. And he makes it work like. Oh my gosh. She's our people each other who asked the most long way to like establish your life goals but I have to go back for one more second now. More Sattar arm amputated. They gave her a choice. They offered her the hospital. Staff offered her two years of Rehab. I don't know if they were able to find her arm her arm. I don't know exactly how it works. But they said if you dedicate two years of your life to rehabilitation and really work on it you can keep your arm or you have a working armed. She said no chopping off because she never get back to work tells me how mentally unstable she is an APP that makes me feel really shitty about Joe because I feel. He prayed on her for that. I don't know that it was her choice. She made that decision. Like I probably in all honesty like you think about it. Two years of your life and there's no guarantee they're not guaranteeing that in two years. Her arm will work even just saying two years of your life and You keep your arm. And they're not saying it would be fully functional to understand but to be so quick to be like you could just take my arm off. I really like my arms both for as long as I live round pick favorites. I like them both equal even though the right is more for me. So Joe's issues were just with Carol. There was no God Doc Holy Shit. How did that man have so many fucking wives okay? Take the animals to add as the equation for doc. Let's for Dan Barrett. This is not even. This isn't even a documentary about animals. Right let's just pretend it's the documentary about sucked up people. Doc I look at dock and there is nothing nothing appealing to me about doc but I would say majority of ovulation would look at dock and go. I wouldn't suck him with your cousins but Jonah and blame it on her sister would it? Oh my gosh. And the fact that he had so many lives so many yet beautiful wives when Joe and doc actually very close for a while doc was actually a mentor to Joe as far as having the great habitat and then Joe Saad is. Doc has multiple girlfriends or wives. I have two husbands like we're totally on the same wavelength now. All just bad people one of my favorites and he didn't really have a role as much as he didn't drive any of the content but he was just seventy. They kept on going back to you for comments. You remember Tim Stark. The Guy who always had the monkey inside of his shirt and his accent was so bad. Like of all these hillbilly people. You're all hillbillies. Here's the I don't know if you noticed this. He's the only one that they had to put subtitles at the bottom of the screen. Because I smoke. He was so deep in Hillbilly language. That you couldn't really understand said without subtitles underneath a Hillbilly Tim. I sympathize with because I'm from New York so sometimes I feel like I need subtitles. And leery I kind of. I really feel for him but yes. His accent was so thick. I'm like what did he say and then have to squint so I read the TV Better. Like runs like that was awesome. He is merely underrated in this docu series. Absolutely and I think because he didn't drive a whole out of the content people aren't talking about him but just the fact that he went around in life with a monkey he would just be walking. There'd be like a monkey head popping out right under his Chin because there was a monkey like nestled in his hurt was brilliant television because you're murdering L. and that's actually how we became friends through the true crime community. Let's talk about the crime of this. I mean there are a lot of crimes but the whole organized murder that Joe organized by not having that introduced us to Jeff Lowe who took the story to Vegas which is a big socket of Vegas. I love being involved. But we're good. They got bad press. Were Good Jeff. Thank you very much yet so much. Oh what did I think? It's important that we talk about. Who Do you think blew up that office building one that had olive Rick Kirkum video footage? Not only did it have all of that evidence all of the footage that he had gotten over the years but it also had like. How many alligators excluding okay? My theory in this is Joe. Blew it off not realizing that it was going to beat to the extent that it was I think he blew it up to protect themselves thinking it was just GonNa blow up that room and the amounts of explosives were not going to exceed a certain area and it did and then it blew up the alligators or crocodiles. Or whatever it was that he had but I kinda really feel like Joe did it himself. I detail the fact that he had just happened to leave town and it just happened to. It's all just so bad. You just take a second to acknowledge the fact that John Refers to crocodiles Crocodilians. Oh my God bless his heart. I must have misheard him. He couldn't have said billions and the music crocodilians again and I was like whipple. Fuck is happening here. What kind in says white trash bullshit are we dealing with to where we say? Crocodilians focusing Arkady liens. But I can't get over it. I KINDA WANNA adopt that word and make it actual worse. I mean I think Crocodilian is kind of interesting. Kinda like it. I mean. It's a little confusing but I'm okay with it in the section that I had the craziest shit somebody else that I put down. Was the Walmart Meat Truck talking talking? Laurie whole Oh you kidding this this proves that truth is stranger than fiction AB SIPA in Lutely. That is probably. I just don't even have comments. I don't even know what to say. That part left knee. Didn't leave me speechless until you started making pizza and putting meat on pizza and then I started going. I wonder where he got that meat from and then I think they even said it. Yeah Walmart Truck Yeah. It was expired Walmart meet. That was intended for the Tigers. Just zoom out of animal abuse like the levels of abuse on this. The back he took animal meet meet. That was donated to the creatures. He was allegedly caring for and he decided to sell pizzas and make more money and fired me and the fact the levels of the meat on the Pete saw were so rally they were putting Baloney Pizza. Oh Oh my God I'm tasting it right now. I am like you know how you people who are visual. And I'm having that but with my taste buds right now like I'm physically tasting Baloney Pizza and I want to fucking bombs. Yeah it's like sitting right here in my chest like I feel it in my automatic early in my chest. It wants to be released for my body and it's the the most horrible disgusting thing. Tell me what do you think about this whole unorganized crime about trying to kill Carol Owens trying to set something up like we meet these cast of characters the Jeff Low Disgusting Guy James Garretson the guy. He's has in the circus and ended up owning strip clubs and their only way he could get laid exactly and then there was Allen Glover. Who was the alleged Hitman? Think was behind all of this. I don't doubt that Joe tried to hire Alan to mercury. Carol I do think may be. There was a conversation about it. in fact. I'm pretty sure there was because he talks about it with everybody so I'm pretty sure there was whit even as fucked off as Joe was I think. He was smarter than to believe that Bat Allen Guy could even pull it a loss like Alan was fucked up Allen was so fucked up and the fact that he took the three thousand dollars like if you make a deal for five thousand dollars to take somebody's life and then you get three thousand dollars. Just tell you you shouldn't do this. Not only you're getting paid. Almost half of what you're supposed to good judgment went out the window a long time ago. Oh Yeah Dude Yeah. I don't think Allen had any intention of ever killing Carol Anyway. I think Alan was like. Oh yeah bro out chiller and Yeah. GimMe three grand. I'll get the other two when I you know when it's done knowing he was never going to do it and he was just going to go. Get fussing high and get hungry he was gonNA get fucked up and get laid so there's not a doubt in my mind that Joe was behind it and I actually think Joe would've gone through with it. Only because we saw his level crazy get more and more intense docu series and you just saw how far off he is and I absolutely think he would have killed. Carol killed yes but I I also think that drug wise. He obviously was a little to fuck off to pick a person to actually do it. He picked Allen you pay somebody who had absolutely no self control and in that. Obviously if you're going to kill somebody you would want somebody that would have no self control but you could somebody with the wrong kind of no self control means literally pick the laziest person you can find and was like. Here's three thousand dollars. Just go Florida in Suck House right. What the fuck one thing that got me at the end and I'm so glad that it came full circle once Joe was finally arrested. He was miserable because he was trapped in a cage. Loved at. That's the most poetic justice that we've gotten justice with Queen Janet Jackson into core. It was perfection and I am so thankful that he lost his fucking mind. It is miserable in prison. Because that's exactly what he did before he went to prison. This was a really hard one at the very end of the special. He kept these two guerrillas in cages. Right next to each other and they got to try it only through the fence right got to experience each other. They had a relationship is to these arraigned Ang's but they weren't able to really interact because of the Fed's these creatures I got out of the cage though. The first thing they did is hugged each other and they did not yet others embrace for so long and Jug was talking and I believed him he was like that wrong and all time like was. I thinking I was doing the right thing and robbing the chimpanzees of being chimpanzees the snakes of being snakes the Arrow shirts. I think he figured it out and I'm glad he's in jail where he deserts me but I do think and I really. Maybe I'm being naive but I really hope. In twenty two years he comes out and makes a positive change in the world. Does it all? You're probably right? You're probably no. I do believe he learned his lesson absolutely. I do believe he sees that what he did was wrong. I think that moment really my mind blown like well I could see is the Emoji with the mind blown. He gets it but I truly think him going to jail for twenty two years. I don't with the lifestyle that he lives in everything else. I don't think he's going to come out this my perspective of it. I don't think that he's going to get the opportunity. Like those rang. A Tang Guerrillas I'm really I don't remember I don't remember what kind of primates they were but I I really feel like he's not going to get that opportunity that they did not come out and embrace another human being in being free I wound. He's GonNa see the light of day. Yeah the opportunity to that. He gave to all those other people that had dealt with addiction. Present everything that opportunity he gave them. You don't think he's going to get because he'll be jailed till his death. I right. I don't think I don't think a man like him. Who has done the things that he has done in his life to his body and mentally mentally even. I don't think he's strong enough. I hope in twenty two years proven wrong. I hope he gets out. I hope he's learned his lesson. I hope he does great things when he gets out. But I truly don't see him getting out I don't And that's like the status part. I think God is. What's really sad is that here's a person that we can. That could be an example to other people who take animals and put them in cages. Because guess what Carol still has fucking animals in cages and so does that DOT com. And Yeah Doc. Yeah and so and so I think him getting out before he's at a place where he's not going to get out and live a life I think would be good for him to be able to now become the advocate that he so badly wanted to be when he started. Break it but he just got so lost in the fame and like right you see through special at the more famous. He gets yards tension. He gets That's the thing that was like. And it's funny narcissist and you think of somebody who's powerful and has really a very important job and you you think open narcissist and you think of them having money in this and that I feel like there's so many narcissists in this special in the power that they felt when they were around animals that he asked the feeling of power and how they felt like they were like higher than other people. Get a higher yet. Most others weren't to their level. This was a real story of narcissism a lake. Go back to Carol Sanctuary where she has all of her volunteers to don't get paid remember this that she even bragged about at one point. My husband was like When he saw it but she even bragged she's like yeah until you're at level five or whatever like I don't even know your name I'll realize that I've seen you around before. But they were talking about how they don't get holidays. That Christmas is spent inside the lion cage animals. Our twelve hours a day of physically hard work. They're out in the wild outside with all the elements hitting ma'am. Yes as these animals that could literally kill you in a bite with one clench of their jaw. Your dead and it's just it's insane. It's not even worth for times to know their name shows you that values eight-minute alone statement alone was that is enough. You don't need to know anything else about Carol. And her husband. That's missing or her fight with Joe or anything else right just that one. Five second clip is enough to tell you what kind of human beings she is an. It's disgusting so I think the reason why you and a lot of my other murderer. No friends are so engaged with the Carol. Story of this is because she got away with murder. Yeah what she did. Do you think that this special is going to reopen any cases for her? Do you think like kind of like. How pita was so focused on getting justice for these animals. Do you think like people? Murdering people like that are in. This community are going to say. We can't have this person walking around like a normal person this a hundred a hundred percent and I don't think that it's so much that they don't want her walking around like a normal person. I think it's that. They sympathize with the family of the gentleman of the ex husband. She knows what happened. And it's a cold case file because they just said he was dead because they couldn't find the body but there's more to it and there's a lot of Marino's like you set out there that they're like I want to know what happened. Carl's husband only because it will eat meat to not know right like that feeling like I. I'm I feel it in my bones that The bones that they can't find his you'll she fed him. Bray Bucking Tigers. Right and then kind of all the blood. She had to clean that up because that would have been a crime scene. Even if the Tigers eat your husband even like somehow consume the bones. There's GonNa be a bloodbath. She can't that shit up. She fucking did it and I think that this special. Even though it wasn't intended to be around Carol I think so. Many people are so upset the fact that she got away with murder GONNA here. I would not be mad. I don't think it would be a sequel but I would say like maybe a spinoff of Joe Exotic we yeah thing in the big cat rescue you know going back to wildlife on easy street seeing what really goes down there but that for me is where I would like to see Netflix. Go next I want answers and I need resolution absolutely. I'm with you one hundred percent and I think Carol's new husband. I don't know that timing like if she met her new husband before her husband passed org went missing or whatever but I have a feeling that this man knows more than he just went missing like I think he knows. Oh absolutely he plays off that really dumb like oh just a simple old guy kind of thing but he knows what he's dealing. Oh Yeah I'm just here to support Carol borer up now dude you fuck in you know way more than you you're saying and I think if they put the fire him fucking sing like a bird. Oh my gosh he has no balls guy has knows mind. No-ball belly fish absolutely. Yeah she's she's the she's got the balls in the relationship with the fact that their wedding picture was him on his knees in a catsuit with her right holding his leash attached to his collar. Like that was okay. So this is one more thing in this really really dark special but amid all the darkness they were it was like. I laughed out loud so many times. My husband likes him so many times at one point in this person like I didn't even down their name because they weren't like a person that dro storyline but it was just somebody who kind of gave him commentary I'd pause her confessional which was in her house and I pointed to my husband and I like where do you see. Leopardi's like the pillow and I was like look again. The couch babe I went up and I like I got teacher moded. I went up to the TV and pointed the pillow. The throw rug her shirt her earrings. The picture frame the lamp shade. You remember those pictures when you were in kid from highlights magazine and it would be like asked you pictures circle. What's different between the two pictures? Or Oh look and see how many Blah Blah Blah's you can find. You could literally freeze rain so different scenes from Tyre C. C. How many different animal prints you can find on this one shot and you'll have like a fifteen animal prints in one camera for? Yes it's ridiculous and the guy the Vegas guy you know. He Jeff Lie. Jeff Low. This man Show disgusting him in the that. Discussing piece of shit destroyed by. Yeah the Strip club guy came these to these. Two guys are not to me. They're not getting enough attention like carols. They need the same amount of disgusting attention at that. Bitch is getting paid to get it to because fair justice. Fucking gross. Exactly don't forget Mr Hitman. Yes he had bad intentions even though he didn't follow through on it right was intending to take money to perform a murder. Yes Oh yes so disgusting. Can I'm not mad about? I think Carol I'm laughing just as hard as everybody else about the whole Carol killed her husband she fucking killed her husband. Fed into a Tiger. The Shit like honestly. You can't write anything better than that. Like that should now so hilarious and so bizarre. I just think an audience. We've gotten a little distracted. And we're talking about Cheryl more than we need to and not tech talking about Jeff James Allen as much as we need to yes and I think here all needs to come back in another special because I wanna see that bitch fucking fry. Nah I just don't know that this was a story that you end Carol. Now there's GonNa be somebody out there who is going to say no. We're not GONNA stop here. We're GONNA investigate more on Carol because there's more to investigate and they are going to dig and they're going to find something. Oh my God I can't wait. I'm hoping in my lifetime popcorn's popping right now. I am sitting here ready to enjoy. Yeah Bitch off. So is Joe Joe Exotic Evening From Prison. So even when he's watching his prison. I'm little box TV just waiting just waiting for it or Jau. Oh I don't feel poor Joe. I know a lot of people are like. Oh it's too hard. And now he's getting what he deserves. He probably will last in jail all twenty two years because nobody goes to full-term anymore especially during the baby you're just because gills are so crowded he might be there ten years right a hoping better right. I'm not saying poor Joe because like I actually feel bad for him. He's a disgusting human being disgusting things in Houston where he belongs. But I mean you know I mean poor joe because he kind of instead of all of people in his life helping him. They enabled him worse. Egg Him on so poor joe in a sense of he was shown narcissistic and surrounded himself with people that wanted to be so close to him because they wanted what he had. That have finding somebody to be around him. Who would say put their hand on his shoulder and just be like dude? Can you offer a minute right? That's what I mean by poor. Joe Like this guy didn't have a chance in hell because he never surrounded himself with somebody who had a clear mind to get him out but that would make for good documentaries happen. The way to happen is absolutely. Oh my gosh. Is there anything else that you want to leave the fanny pack with on Tiger King any big takeaways anything that we didn't hit on already? Hashtag Joe for president just getting killed her husband. Gerald kills her husband Hashtag back. I on the jet. Ski is a loser. Music that music on that jet ski that Alabama's Faulk. Oh I can picture dude on the jet ski in his bathroom with a jar maze mayonnaise his hair. I ABS- and it smells like egg salad. Oh my God you're right and I can literally smell to egg salad and I just throw it in my mouth. I could taste that. It's right there with the expired Walmart heats up. That's doc that's where the smell of Manny's here is right now. All my God the good thing about this ending the conversation on that now is it's Dinner Time. I've been eating for seven days straight and I'm now not hungry so that's a good thing. It's a great thing. Oh my gosh well thank you so much for joining me. This conversation needed to happen. I've been dying to have this deep conversation with somebody and I'm so thankful that it was with. Um Jay Z's and if we can just put out a collective clarita net flicks like we named Moore carrol content. We need to solve the crime of her missing husband. And what better time than quarantine I wanNA just put out a joke from ide- TV The guy the Detectives right as the show. I think he'd be the perfect guy. Look into it. So if we get him on Carroll's husband's case which is unhappy joke Handa. Nda or something. I really wish I could remember because I watched it like all the time. And now that I'm on the like I could on sodomy jamming Danny's Kenza. We need to reach out to this man and telling this project we need him to get on and it happens. I wish I could get funded but I'm broke bitch. Me Tale will get their girl. We'll we'll we'll become wealthy enough to where we can fund projects like that like we need to find this person's killer thing. Look I just want to be wealthy enough to like go to the store and not have to check my bank account for I get to the register so that would be fun to dot would be really cool. That's goals for me as well. I'm trying to stay safe. Thank you so much for chatting. I mean this was way too fun. Yeah definitely by body. Thank you so much by fanny pack. Thank you so much for tuning into the Tiger King Bonus episode of the day entertainment. Podcast while we all have a little bit more time in front of the TV. I'm recording some extra content. Next to come is another bonus episode this time with Ryan Bailey from the so bad. 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Tiger King Recap

Rob Has a Podcast

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Tiger King Recap

"The check this out. I got word that. Who through this crazy party in Beverly Hills with literally all of the biggest reality TV stars? I'm talking about all the Bravo. Lips Candy Barris Porsche Williams. James Kennedy. Jack's Taylor even captain Lee and Kate chastain. Here's the genius part. If you want to find out what happened at the party you have to watch the commercials. Yes I know I'll be tuning in and then signing up for a free trial to get my favorite reality. Tv SHOWS AT HULU DOT COM. What's going on Rob Cicirino here? And we have some very special coverage today for you because we are going to be talking about the net flicks smash hit tiger king and we brought in some royalty today to talk about everything that's going on with tiger king. Please welcome the Purple Pants. Bad Ass the I would say the freaky is freak. But I think that Joe Exotic has taken his title here. He is Bright Zeya Robert with pappy. And what is what is pop in boy price price. I'm so happy that you're here. I need you to help me make sense of everything that's happening. World has your king. Everybody is very excited. People are watching this show all week. They'll have nothing to do except watch net flicks and boy for the timing. Could not be better for Joe Exotic? I've okay. I'm not sure if he is spilling excited in jail you know he's pumped up. You know hitting the watch all it. Is You know I'm huge? I did it. I did it on the biggest name in America star in the world fell black. Jelly Fatty by the sit down. But I'm pretty sure he probably still has molly in jail. I'm pretty sure he wanted to jail boyfriends. I'M PRETTY SURE JOYS ATTIC. It's doing all right. Yeah because he has one or two boyfriends any point on the outside let alone in jail Bryce all right first off. But we're talking a lot of fun just to everything okay by you. Give us the update everything you know. It's a quarantine situation down here philly. So the city is like semi shutdown. Because I'm not sure what. The difference between non essential and essential stores some stores that are definitely non essential are open so. I don't really get it but it's definitely you know we in our house trying to you know cut to. Kerr stay home. Stay save washing our hands. Keep an acute out here for listening to podcast watching net flicks all a good safe things for people to be doing right now. And we're we're we're helping give people something for an hour or so you know the bright spot and your day. I've been trying new facial. Mass even did a foot mask. Have you ever did a foot? Mass Peo- before around. What do you think I know you had never? I haven't done a footman with no shoes on John. I mean a lot of things. You've got a good thing. I didn't run into Joe Exotic that night I was in his neck of the woods in Nebraska. Did you have on? Tiger shirt was not. I am not Carol Baskin okay. You didn't have a shirt on it was it. Wasn't tiger print all right. So we're we're GonNa talk about that Price of course is the host of the Purple Pants. Podcast would you can listen to on behalf of feed or subscribe. Rob's website accomplish P P P Rice. What have you been talking about lately on the Purple Pants podcasts? I mean we've been covering a lot of different things. But you're not just started getting ensued the ninety days before nine hundred as I've been covering the product will son which is on Fox which is a great. Show life after lockup which you know you never know. We might see Joe Exotic. When the next life after crossover listen and then sixty days in has been a great season and so a lot of different. You know a lot of different stuff but it was. Some of my favorite stuff is advice for bryce where people send emails to the Purple Pants. Podcast gmail.com and you know they exit vice about a lot of different things. Haven't gotten any JOE exotic advice but you know relationships depression anxiety. What the wet the whistle to. I tried to cover it all basis. Okay you are a great resource. I'm going to say that. Start sending you my advice questions with with with some of the topics beef after better to talk about I it sounds like you are wedding. The whistle currently is that right. That is right. It's Corentin and I just got off work not that long ago and the commute from my kitchen and my podcast studio was horrible So yeah you know when the whistle so low tito's and some orange juice you know. Try to keep their vitamin C out playing it safe. Yeah Oh is that a screwdriver. Orange juice yeah leave really. Yeah so what was the bloody? Mary Bloody Marys. Like tomato juice and Like horseradish a bunch of salary. You think you think Joe Exotic you think he drinks bloody Mary Jo exotic prefers the crystal meth. I believe I know we talk about that when we get there because I I don't believe there. Joey was on the team. I don't believe that he was on the crystal man. Okay all right so I guess we're we're going to spoil tiger king but I think a lot of people are going to listen to this podcast or at least some people are gonNA listen to by because they have not watched the series because they love to hear you talk about stuff so I guess real quick Bryce could we give like the plot of Tiger King what what tiger king is all about because then you can still watch it. I think and listen to this whole bodies and you'll still be blown away when you see it so I think tiger king is about Because I don't necessarily pink because robbery this damn I saw one. I don't think that Tiger King documentary started off being what it was gonna be because in the beginning it seemed like it was really. Abou- WILDLIFE AND EXOTIC TRADE OF ANIMALS. You know big cats and it seems like this documentary. Person Was looking for Anglo Vishwa. How'd you get these exotic animals? And so he kind of started following the trail of big cats and they came across these people in the United States that have been cast and Joe Exotic being one of them and then there was this lady named Carol Baskin who owned the big cat rescue but was in a a zookeeper. She was supposed to sanctuary nothing right. Thanks you were I was GonNa say a cultivator but maybe not getting really the word so and it just kind of follows the story of Joe Exotic and how. He used his zoo or his. Thanks ury for these animals but this took a whole nother like turn getting into his life personality but then there were others zookeepers that we follow and there was this other guy name. What was his name dock at or at away at it so if someone another guy so it just it. Kind of follows. The store as scrambled as description sales is just as critical as the documentary. Oh so many twists and turns in terms of this crazy world. First off everybody. That's in the cage. Tiger big cat world is a terrible person and everybody should be in jail about that. Well everybody that we've talked through our interview on his net flicks theory really be in jail. Okay Yeah and not so some of the people that work for and work there where we're seeing like they were nice people and they come up with crazy people like the girl that got her arm for the guy that had no leg why her name with staff. She's the only one no the guy that had no legs as the traitor guy. That had that looked like Hulk Hogan's son. He's a traitor. The only person is the girl that got her arm bit off. Her name is Stan. It's the only real hero Schuster here on the whole thing. Okay sitting in that plastic share letting them catch jump all over her while she's doing interview girl you know up for you but she can do whatever she wants. But I'll tell you. What a tiger bites my arm off on the heading any cat ever again. I don't get alley cat kitten that I'm out. I'm Alex in the way staff look is the big. Cats aren't the only cat that she likes the patch. Okay I'm just just say in but I did appreciate cat that's listed. That's that's the only re- The big cats is. Not The only reason staff is working at the GW while exotic petty okay. I'm just telling you so. This is a crazy world. Everybody said some point as watching this. I'm like this is like game of thrones. This is like these crazy characters that are fighting over this like this kingdom of this world of the big cats and they're getting into these huge wars over the non over nonsense and there's all these people on both sides that are all just crazy characters who are all broken love. Them. They're broken. Talking game of thrones at that they all are and Carol. Carol Basket would definitely be. The first game thrones down. There's not even a question that's who she really no job. Search did kill husband to listen. Carol basket needs to be in jail. And that's what I'm saying period. Yeah so all right so just to be For anybody who like if you're not totally lost if you didn't watch the show there's one other thing so basically Joe Exotic. He's a guy he's got a tiger sanctuary where a tiger zoo it's real shady. There's this woman Carol Baskin. She's trying to shut these shut. This down she has like an animal sanctuary and she's trying to take down joe exotic she very mysteriously had a married a rich guy lives. She was his third wife. He disappeared under very mysterious. Circumstances in Nineteen ninety-seven Joe Exotic is convinced. She Fed her husband to tiger and then he is now on a crusade to let the world know she killed her her husband and so he gets into more and more trouble trying to expose her for the murder that she did which ultimately leads him down a path which ultimately ends up land landing him in jail as he hires a Hitman to try to assassinate Carol Baskin all the meanwhile recording a music video. Call here. Kitty Kitty okay. So there if you're there the bright side of everything that has gone on With all of this but the thing that my big issue from watching the documentary and seeing how baskin harsh she was on this crew crusade to get these big cats out of cages into like not have them being bread is kind of like you know her angle she was. You know working with pita wanting to be a animal activists but if you want to get these cats out of cages your that's what her big cat rescue us but she had over a hundred acres of cats in cages so Belmont that I was like she shady like this even once we got episode to we kind of learn about the big cat rescue and all of that and I might someday right. What does Carol Sunday right and Carol and put the no Katie over my eyes because she likes you. WanNa take the cats out of disease that they're in but you WANNA put them in. Your rusty do not connecting carols. Can't sue look. They're really rusty. Our rather go to Joe Exotic or John Edmonds Zoom Baga van about the Orbach Lavar then so a lease so say what you want about Joe Exotic in his dad. You might get your arm bit off at his sanctuary however you get one hundred twenty five dollars a week and you get the live and these dirty trailers for free and all the Walmart back even mad at the time like this Robert. You don't wish you with them expire me. What are the Tigers eating now? Okay now by quarantine but I'm just saying is so don we gotta break down for people so they understand so this guy. The guy's name was dawn. Or Doc he had another zoo but dot had like an actual like real look in Zoom Joe. Exotic Zoo was kind of like you know seven levels below doc. Zoo so you know. Joe Exotic looked up to dock and dot on the was. Arkansas can feed a tagger for ten thousand dollars. You know expensive. Defeat its and then same is Joe. Exotics like well can feed the three thousand dollars. This how we do it. And then they had this connection with like a Walmart truck that have like all expire meats. Or if. They don't put it back so they was feeding the Tigers but as such a good guy that Joe was he will allow his staff to go through the truck and pick out. They meet the week. Yeah they hot sausage is they had hurt me. Turkey breasts suffered some of it was still for all of the quote and then they would take that and they would also use it for the pizza at the jokes. I guess they had a discount on extra meat pizza. You can eat. Not only could you like. They had a pizza. Shot right next to the talk the tigers but you could like eat your pizza next to the tiger but you can also eat the same food at the tiger. So Joe was innovator and I'm just GonNa say this right now. Maybe some people might not agree with it but I'm Hash tag free. I'm not I'm not. I think everybody should. Everybody should be locked up and you. We were texting. And you also you also are very anti Carol Baskin not today and not tomorrow okay. She did her husband and not only the husband had these two daughters okay and when the husband mysterious went missing okay. Carol cost one of them is like I haven't seen him in a couple of days which do and one of the doors or the executive is like. Well call the police. Oh you're right. It's just careless funny. The guy had millions of dollars if he went missing the day he went missing. Carol was breaking into his office dating the will and the deeds of the property having them alter and so okay. Okay okay so listen to what the because it's how. Ya Know for all you care baskin people. Okay so Robert You have motorway. Yeah you have a PODCAST EMPIRE. Okay that you know maybe one day you. WanNa leave it to dominate. Okay okay so you write a will and anger. Will you put you know in the way of my untimely? You know yes also so say I say I have a podcast empire and then I'm GonNa also then I'm GonNa like also I pick up a hitchhiker like my part time. I'm I'm driving guber wave on when I'm allowed to do that and I meet some girl. Okay and then I'm GonNa Leave Nicole and then and then now. I'm going to be with this with this woman. I met out needing a ride right. And you have this empire of a tiger podcast. You know you have a will and then after you go missing and the wheel goes missing and they all of a sudden Carol Baskin shows this will that says in the event of my untimely death and disappear disappearance girl and so this is how I know is Carol because Carol also had a tiger ball a gala to raise money and Hara. Her New curragh husband they showed up with tiger heads. Yeah I don't trust nobody there. Where Tiger hit on the head and all of Carol's clothes are tiger. Yes garbage now. She's crazy she's crazy. Maybe crazier might be the guy who married Carol. Baskin Howard Baskin. Who here from a lot? He seems like very like a very reasonable sensible guy. I don't know what he's doing here. But here's my thing. Backout asking Carol Bask in her one person her one person who might not have been such a great guy. I'm not condoning murder. I don't condone murder. But I feel like that that Carol Baskin's husband might not have been the greatest guy and she her one person in this Joe Exotic feel hurt many many people on the way in animals who Huda Joe Her. I'll travis well okay fell also ajoy exotic had these two husband that allegedly were not gay. Just gave pay Travis and then there was John John now John also on his belt. John Hetland his bellybutton tattooed property of Joe Exotic. Okay so I don't know too many straight for gay guys that I don't know too many trade Joe Joe's Dillard with the trade now. Yeah I mean I don't know I just the travel story. I felt bad because Right Travis could have been in twenty twenty one Zadie. Tiger calendar Travis was sick sick. They said he had big hands and he was in love with Joe but they also said you know he had to think for math. The one thing that why I always was confused about it was in the later episodes that we see Travis. Travis T. for fine the only person's teeth that were really disgusting. Where like John? The other husband but they alleged Joe Exotic of doing math and Joe's teeth look the same time as well too so I I just feel like they paint in Israel if he don't get me wrong because of a person yes however. I feel like the documentary. Just you know poor the lot of more mess on Gel. That may be. You know he he he. He liked it. The Law Tigers U. S. All he just wanted some love from people who did Joe Exotic Hikers Joe exotic like I don't know I just wanted to be famous. He just wanted to be famous. Baby boy just what he wanted to be. Literally the Tiger King yes I already zinged Jonny fairplay but I could not get out of my mental imagery the entire time. That the the d'appel Ganger look alike but then also like he is Johnny Fairplay also right. Joe Exotic like if you buy tee shirt JOE EXOTIC LINCOLN. Call you right. Yeah he'll sign it. He'll sign it. He'll call you like all right. Joe Exotic I really. I gotta go Joe All right. I appreciate the call Joe Exotic but please Joe Exotic is he is definitely Jonny fairplay but I feel like he's like Johnny fairplay like meets a coach. I feel like the John F. Joe Exotic is Johnny Fairplay. A coach put together. That he's like they baby. Yeah 'cause then maybe like where the you know the. The camera isn't on. Maybe Johnny Fairplay Act like a little bit more normal Maybe coaches like much more like buying into the hype. Right then the then aspect of it you know didn't love from the Baby Tigers Island but he's the perfect mix of both of them again but do you have sympathy for Joy Saudi. Do you not feel like after watching the documentary. I have no sympathy for Joe Exotic. Jane Jugs because bad beard. I heard so many people ask me May. Maybe that's just my thought heart. You're not just WANNA WANNA give everybody a chance. So so ultimately though Joe Joe Exotic did get home in the end that I hear a lot of people along the way did a lot of bad stuff broke a lot of laws on the way definitely wanted. Carol Baskin's Bernard by Hitman. He definitely definitely wanted that to happen. He he ends up getting what. How many years in jail? What are you going for? Seventy five years in jail. They're up for seventy five years but I don't know if they ever really told us how much he actually got in jail So I I do think that Joe Exotic did get hosed in the end because that he definitely got set up by Jeff Lowe and it did seem like the show ended on weird note where nothing happened to jeff low they sort of implied like Shubin drop on Jeff Lowe eventually maybe right and not even Jeff Lau jeff lows good friend that he brought up from wherever he brought up the actual hit who was allegedly supposed to kill Carol. Like Hey. Don't get nothing. He's just like yeah just told her what happened and they let me go. Excuse me you you went to kill Carroll. Yeah Chicken Down. It was weird. It wasn't going to be no hello. It wasn't going to be any more low key in because Carol's lie. Hello are you cool cats and kittens? I forgot about that. I've read about my cantaloupe asking catchphrase price. I know you're allowed to sort of like Like I can just like entrap people of like like. Hey Brice any anybody that you need to put a hit on. Just let me know okay. I'm not recording. You just tell me and then you go to jail for seventy five years. Yeah and then. What's The guy's name? What's the bad guy who entrapped him? John Joe Jeff Jeff Chap Low and then Jeff Low even amidst that he was like spicing them. Ping that like yeah even said this to get them to say well. That's why so. That's why I feel like Joe is in jail for false pretenses okay. They don't know the whole story. Yeah so I I agree Joe Definitely got screwed on on that because Jeff Lowe also seems like Super. Bad Guy should be in jail. Okay he sneaks baby tiger cubs in hotels to have threesomes with females. I that's not the creepy of the creeps. I don't know what it is. That's very creepy. It does seem like anybody that's attracted to the baby tiger that I feel like that anybody that is sort of like drawn to this idea of like. Oh let me hang out with baby. Tigers seems like Maybe that's a sign that this person is Not on a great track. Unless you're Carol Baskin okay. Hair Baskin's on a great track. So she's the only person that can hang out with these cats and he's tiger cubs but everybody else's bad how however watching this and does this make me a bad person I was like. Oh my God I will WanNa play with a baby if somebody's like. Hey why don't you come to my house and I've got a baby tiger over here. Don't go don't go. It's a trap. I never leave then. Be Joe. Exotic third husband had black one. I mean so Ho- Press. Was there a black person in the entire tiger king show I? I don't think I thought why and I don't even think I thought one going through the Gw zoo either. I don't know I think that the black people should be very proud. Say like this was that this is Has nothing to do with us. This Tiger King. This is your this. Is your mess to all the white people this is. You guys did this be. I don't know I mean it. It just seems like they was down in Oklahoma and that's just how they lived and so it seems like what I was really proud of. The most of Joe was when he was doing magic going to the mall. That's when I thought Joe was at his prime goal into the malls. You know telling the kids not to do drugs. A positive message bringing tigers. Tiger's wasn't enough so he tapped a twelve year old. That was doing magic and the old show the magic and the next thing you know. He was in every mall across the United States. Yeah he just wants to be famous Yeah that's all baby boy was doing. So that's really where the feud started with him and Carol was that he was through these malls. You know doing tiger shows and they were making up to forty thousand dollars per mall appearance and then Carol Baskin and all the her hey kitties. And Katie Cath. She would get them. They're right right emails to the mall and then the mall would no longer went joe bag so that's really what Joe got so upset at Carroll so to get back at carrow Joe was big cat rescue and every time you go to Google Yahoo and you type in big cat. Carol COMES UP. So Joe had this like you know this is really where the downhill spiral for. Joe Started was that he wanted to get back so much carol that he changed the name of his own show of Jill exotic TV sue big cat entertainment and thought he was being slick and use the same background print as Carol thought they. You know. Nobody would gaffer's. Are you worried about this in the PODCAST game? That is somebody gonNA come along and try to start up Purple Pants podcast entertainment and then try to do a different show and then steal all your Google results. Listen they bet Nah okay. They got a little Joe Exotic pet. Ni- pay day bed. Okay because I don't have a husband but I did have a hamster when I was seven that nobody ever seen again. I'm just saying the purple pants pack as a treat. I WANNA climb up That we talked a little bit about doc. In this in this one Baga von he ends up I think sort of like. Why did he do any interviews with this? He really didn't have anything to do with the court cases and the really end up a shining a light on some bad stuff. That's going on over at his place. Still right you know. They say R Kelly was trapping. Women's was so was doc. Okay Yeah what have these teenage interns to come in and you know they will never leave. They would have to dress up in light tiger print outfits and so he was running this like you know gate of like not only with the Tigers he was keeping these females as well too so Dhaka's creepy just as well. Yeah so that's what kind of bums me all these Carol Baskin like. Yes she killed her. She definitely killed her husband. Okay asterisk of according to what was shown in this documentary. Okay yes that was bad but you know. She's the one person that's she's not raising any of the tiger cubs so it seems like there's a lot of like Like you know bringing up these babies and then either like destroying them or not taking care of the adult tigers but also between joe exotic between Baga von between Jeff Low. It seems like there's a lot of like. Hey you know. Teenagers and young people like like get trapped into my my world with hanging out with baby tigers and now all of a sudden you are in one way or another some sort of a sex slave to these guys yeah. I don't know how that works. I'd never in my life. You would. You could get me like gushers. In fact I go fruit. Flashers over here I ask. Yes the ones that gushing like okay. I I don't see the allure of life. Let me work on. Tiger farm sweat twelve hour days live in a house with rats. And just be like. I'm just in love with my life. I I don't know it just seems more that we not getting from these people and all of the people that work on these arms or especially Joe exotic farms. They all seem like they like go together so well. I'm not sure what you know. They just seemed like they all are from the same type of our WanNa stay trail apart but you know day all been in that same round like I feel like these people that work there could also be the people that work at the circus like I need that crew alive unsavory circus people that they're one in the. Yeah that's what the survivor world is like it. All right. I'm very different. You have to ask Jonny fairplay. I don't know so. The show takes so many different twists and turns. Was there one thing that really you saw that it just completely That you just like Fell out of your chair when you were watching where this was this next twist that it took. I would have to say Joe. Exotic studio burned down and they didn't know who did it but we also knew that. Joe Exotic had got tipped off that the feds were possibly like onto him for some things of whether or not like trading some animals or some carol baskin footage and then mysteriously when Joe Exotic has to go out of town for a funeral all of the trailer. Just blow up. Yeah Yeah Okay so now is that Rick Kirkum. That he's the guy who's smoking cigarettes is. We have this guy. He's like the Mark Burnett. That would have been That he was the person that was filming a Joe Exotic Reality. Show this whole time and so he that Joe Exotic brought him into like film his like his his video stream. And he's like yeah. Sure I'll film you're stupid video stream but I'm really here to film this reality show. Which is going to be the biggest hit ever like this guy had the idea for tiger king before there was tiger king and at some point he gets into like a falling out with Joe Exotic. Did you understand what the what the issue was like? He was like saying. Hey I own. I own your life and then Joe Exotic than burnt down his own studio. Well I guess because Rick actually when he had joe sign a contract to do the TV show he inadvertently signed away the rights or he had the right to all of his footage and so he was doing his Internet show Joe Exotic TV. Hopefully pitch that tiger king and so all of the foot is that Rick had been compiling. Joe Exotic thought it was his but Joe Exotic soon learnt that all of the footage that Rick had been getting you know Joe find a way to him so basically although you know Joe might have been tiger king. Rick was the tiger master and Joe. You didn't really want him to have all of that footage because you know here. He's got his put his him shooting a blow up. Doll of Carol Bask in the head with a Dildo in her mouth. You Know Joe Exotic and all of that so he allegedly burnt the trailer down. Because I don't know they got a person walking. Yeah burn a damn but we all know who it is price at some point. I'm like okay. This is why they have so much footage of what's going on with Joe Exotic because this guy had a reality show but then they explain. How all the footage for the reality show got burnt down when Joe Exotic burnt down his own studio and tried to frame Carol Baskin so my question is where did all the footage come for. How have so much footage of everything I'm like? Is this fake yet? That's the part that I didn't get if they burned everything that they've been recorded. How do we have on this? The Blair witch project happen. I don't think this is real. This wasn't a true story. I don't think I don't know why he in Jail I. I think it's GonNa all come out. I don't know I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy but I think that this was all fake because this is fiction so you you think the Walmart meet with fake to what I wanNA know where to where they be dumping off Martin F. I just WanNa go take a look and see is real I I. There's so many many questions about how they got. They had all this footage of everything. First of all this what. I want to know who is recorded new. Who's behind the camera? There's so much stuff that was so much incriminating footage. Anybody that was like if I was out like committing a bunch of crimes and we were filming stuff after I'd say like hey let's delete all this like all right. Stop Recording stop recording. There were so many logs that they broke and they and they had so much footage and then and then and then he would be all about you. Think I'm dumb. The views not in my name that those trucks aren't in my mind that that's not in my name. I did try. I did titled Transfer. I did a quick title but I'll I'll put doing his name so I just was like I mean. Obviously we know Joe without it wasn't the smartest man in the world But I mean he's sure what thing about fashion. Oh I'd have to say listen and I may or may not own joey exotic of fringe Janke. I felt like I war wanted them to the to the Boston today. So he know a little something about fashion. I gotTA give it to them for that okay. That they're blonde mullet. Okay this this sparkly belts I mean. And maybe another reason why people never left his compound because they felt so safe around him because he always had a pistol on his like. Who are you trying to shoot? Oh wait okay worry this okay who this just popped into my mind. This is what I want to know now. This y'all could say joe exotic is a bad person. Say what you want about him but this is what I want to know. This is the true mystery of the whole thing was wrong with it. They never explain why his knee brace why he needed a Walker Sundays Sundays. He don't need a walker. What's going on Joe? Exotic Tiger got him. You think that that was the issue. I don't know I don't know if a tiger got him. I'll know of Carol Baskin God. I'll know of Thailand. Joe Goddamn but he would have this like Walker and then not have the Walker who who is there Walmart meet a bad for your limbs like I don't get it was probably not great. I have so many questions from the listeners of the podcast that I've questioned from facebook. I have questions from twitter and Maybe we could try to see how many of these questions we can answer from the listeners. Because I think they have So there's so many unanswered questions from Tiger King. Do we need a reunion show should we? There'd be a radio show and you shall host the arrived us you should host. It usually find out what's going on because you. I mean your angle is that you feel like you should free Joe Exotic. I Guess Free Joey X. Retail We e. Now is the zoo still open? Can you go to the Jeff Low version of the GW zoo? Is it still open a so? I don't even know if they ever opened it because you know he had. That won't end one partner pulled out because he pulled out because he was a frog and he didn't really had no money. No Yeah but one thing I can tell you. The Big Cat rescue in Florida is still open. Yeah that's still open. They've never proved that anything against Carol. Baskin okay all right other than the tax laws that she's because she'll pay employees they all marked as a volunteer Okay cursing McCain's do think Carol killed her husband and fed them to the Tigers or now so I think we're in agreement that Carol kilter husband right. We're we're in agreement on that but the Lawyers are saying allegedly allegedly but if she did allegedly kill them do you think she fed to the tiger or do you think she put in the septic tank. We know she them to the tiger because at one point in the documentary. She says that she has tiger. That can eat that that would be able to eat a human body that's not the OJ. Simpson if I did do a book. I don't know what is yes. She did seem very cavalier about evasions like she was like the faith thing. I put him in a writer his head convincing this meat grinder. You could put all body in the grinder time Outta here. The septic tank that we already had a house built top of the septic tank. You think I will put him dragon download and put them in their septic tank like she's got she's got a cat hat on her head while she's telling this girl. Okay all right Brent. The shower man was. Oh who is the freaky EST freak in a show Freaky freaks with ally is? I mean you would have. There are so many sub bracket of freak of the freaky three the. I'm not even sure but obviously Joe Exotic has to take cake. He's gotta be Funky. It's free number one. See Carol Brice what you say can I? Can I back up for a second? Because of that we did on Robin Akiva Anita podcasts. The other day we did a podcast but we did a spoiler alert of the bracket of brackets and one of the first things that came up was the freak east freak with with Bryce and and I think that's such a great idea because what are we doing. We're trying to find out you know a witch sexual deviant should go the furthest and I said. I don't think this is going to be fun to talk about but I actually think bracket of the thirty two freaky EST freaks of Tiger King would actually be a great podcast. I think it let that we might uncover some things with the cold case. The careless husband would no longer be cold. If you try to tell you. And so under this question from Brent shower man Kellyanne White Post. The picture of Carol Bask in with her new husband. Who did you remember when she took the pill like the wedding photo where she he's on a leash like wearing a loincloth okay? I don't know what happened on their honeymoon. But this is what. I'm saying like how new husband is brainwashed. First of all every interviewees just aren't wait till the legal file for Joe Exotic and and even the way they kiss is so we're she's at one point she's taken a tour as she's like. Oh you're following me again. He he's like I'm right here honey like no. I'm yeah I'm good on the husband. He crazy crazy to put them in the practice. Okay yes Harley wants to know how did dock antle trick these women into marrying him? I think they laid it out. I mean you were. If you were like a young woman you would come there and then they trick you into thinking like it was like some sort of like animal like a rescue sanctuary and then you live dinner. You lived in like a like you slept in a box and thread. That was covered in cockroaches and to take all the cockroaches off to make a sandwich and then if you had sex with him then you've got house. You guys were mentioning somebody someday. Houses was okay though I was slab. Said Okay what. I gotTa do not have a mortgage dot com. You wouldn't be property of I wouldn't my. Where're you know? Little Tiger t-shirt is tiger pants. The work yeah all right. Have you seen a picture of John with teeth now? Josh Creek wants to have you seen this so John is the first husband right. Yes so I don't know if I've seen a photo but in the beginning of the documentary. Nfl The joey paddock videos. You see 'em with teeth because John was like the star in a lot of his video. Yeah Okay Yeah. He's got new teeth now from from that a tiger king money is coming in not new. I mean manager. He had three thief left so he didn't need a whole break. He just needed like four or five to fill in. Yeah I guess he's got like a whole a whole new set. Did anybody associated with this? Make any money off of this. Show the you know who's who's making on the net flicks and the guy who produced it carol. Why she make money because you search be active and see the first one that comes up. This is Joe Exotics whole point. Okay Yeah Carol. Baskin has been house walking in terms of. She has clapback against this netflix documentary. She says that it did not show all the facts about her husband. What else are we missing? The fact that your last person to see him alive that his car was asked or you found out. He had another woman Costa Rica. She's was randomly at the airport. Then it got dropped back off at your house and nobody looked at the car for several days. Carol Baskin Goodbye. Yeah yes she says that it has a segment devoted to suggesting with lies innuendos from people who are not credible that had a role in the disappearance of my husband died in twenty one years ago the series presents us without any regard for the truth or in most cases even giving me an opportunity before publication to rebut. The absurd claims. They did not care about truth. The unsavory lies are better forgetting viewers. They didn't give opportunity to talk. Isn't Carol Baskin and half of the show talking about her husband. Getting killed on the show is that she has a cat big enough to eat a person. Yup She's saying there was fake. News did not kill her husband. I may get. You may not have killed them. Tigers may have killed him but have something in doing with the Carol Brice. Do you know that? What has Joe Exotics? I have to think he's like he's loving all this but it hasn't done jokes been doing press. Appiano. Can't you do press from jail? Oh I don't know. Can you have a twitter writing? Not Bill Cosby from jail. Beat so I mean. I'm sure he probably can. Yeah I listen I listen. I think what this documentary coming out. I felt like Joe Joe. Exotic is going to be exonerated. You think that they will. He will be Joe exonerated and you better believe the second. Get Out of jail. Video cameras are going to be rolling. Okay who do you think the best edit in Tiger King Thatthe the arm staff? They've got the edit okay. She is literally. She came out who know scratches on her. No Pun intended literally. She's the most endearing and she's the most loyal once she didn't she didn't turn on. Joe Exotic I felt like she was the most credible person she went back to work after getting her arm yelled off five days later so she is by far the most credible person and this docu series and Mayanja. Okay all right. Let's get some more questions also Harley. What's happening Joe Exotic do on survivor at big Joe Exotic he definitely will make the merge for sure he would definitely make them urge. I'm not sure how his casting photo will look like I felt like he probably has some thumbs but for sure he would make the merge. Because he's somebody you WANNA keep around. I would think that he amateur. We didn't seem plays like this before he would. Maybe even play a Russell hands type of gain. Kathy I'm looking for idols. Could look for the idols. I don't know how far he we'd get with a bad leg to get out into the woods. I mean do we have the Jonny fairplay as sort of like the template for how Joe Exotic with do I mean definitely you know Joe Exotic I mean Jonny Fairplay lied about. His grandmom exotic lives his parents up all their money that he's stolen embezzled from them. So from Jeff Lowe and then from deathblow sells you know. Joe Exotic Jonny fairplay both have their blonde hair GONNA win. You know remember when Debbie had like that like what you have like a lion or tiger. Baby she's got like some Carol Basket Energy now. She's the work for Doc dot outfit from back in the death. One of the few that escaped Jack. Mundy wants to know. Have you ever walked into a zoo and said this is definitely run by a cult because I sure will from now on? I mean I've never been to a backyard zoo before though so I don't know I always go on to like you know the main zoo. I've never been to light. You know there's we want somebody private property Yeah so and I will be a little leery. You know the pet to tag on my private property. So I don't know so. I feel like the difference between these backyard. Zoos and regular zoos Dow Steve Bond wants to know. Could you rate three to four of Joe Exotic? Look it's a look style. Well my favorite. If the look for him is his Brown suede jacket with the French. That's definitely if the LE I think when he was running for a national with President or Governor Clinton sure. Yeah he ran. He ran for president unfortunately unsuccessful and unfortunately he ran for governor as well but he had this the purple. Daddy never liked to button up. That was definitely is the look. I think he never wore it. Oh and then the the the tiger king underwear that Bentley look. I looked it up on Amazon which get underwear. End The sex GEL and the next step for man air women what is sex jail. What is what Gel do? Is it a Lucan Robert? Ethnic Breed the Tigers. That's the juice day us from Britain. It's identifiers how do you know if you need sex from JOE EXOTIC? I mean lifted. So he gets all these guys. I me- him where they have Prince Albert that we did not need to know about celebrating. Yeah Yeah and he puts locks on the Prince Albert. I didn't even understand that because it asks the part. Now this is robin you know. I'm I'm gay gay but I'm not that gay because I believe that was the new type of language that I didn't even never heard and free. Which part Prince Albert or the logs the points and the La okay? Yeah I thought we were talking about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle in Canada. I didn't know nothing about north-south awards Prince Albert so that was before my time before my generation and I and then I I wanNA sure guy peed on by a lion Beth marketing genius right there. Yeah they'll get those shirts and then I think then Joe Exotic calls after you buy one of the shirts and you leave with some pizza with them on a Walmart meet. You mentioned his two campaigns. Did You President Twenty? Sixteen and then he ran for governor of Oklahoma in two thousand eighteen. Is that correct? Yes okay it is correct. What is crazy is the remember when he was running. I never knew that it was joe anxiety but I remember during the primary times and I remember seeing him on like CNN or them cover. Him and I was just like what the hell but never in my wildest mine did I was. I missing the big thing. I should have been follow him. From there Yeah now we missed the boat on Joe. Joe Exotic one of my favorite parts of the entire documentary was then. There's the whole episode where it's all about his running for office and they bring in they bring in this. Guy Joshua who was Joe's campaign manager and he he comes on and he says hi my name's Joshua and I was Joe's campaign manager for a year and a half and it was the worst experience. He's probably exaggerating. A but then this was the guy who then had travis and shooting himself in the head in front of him and they had that footage. They're what is Dan burned in the fire? You're the head that footage also but at the same time. He said it was his worst experience but he seemed like very loyal and it seemed like he cares so much about joe exotic feeling that I was confused as to after the campaign ended. Why are you still there? What campaign you running? I'll guess tiger to the little tigers kept him around to know he was. I think that basically like he was like a very politically minded this guy and I think that he just really liked his libertarian platform and that he just felt like that that okay. Joe Exotic wants to be president but I WANNA get my agenda across but I didn't even know what Libertarian. So it was the type. Is this what happened to Rupert TYPE OF RELIGION? Do you think that this Guy Ran? Rupert's campaigns with a libertarian. Do but what they will run for president. Bill Ruger ran for Governor of Indiana at the same time. Same Time Mike Pence. He Lost Mike Pence. Oh Oh oh God who Chilai again. Back to my point. The after his unsuccessful run for president and governor while is still. Why was this guy? Still there I don't know I don't know if he just like was a made friends along the way or no place else to go. Anything might have been very traumatized by the death of Trappist I mean but it is the worst experience of your life. You think you would WANNA get away. Yeah I don't know Ryan wants to know who from Tiger King belongs in next year's zadie count? Well I would have to say rest. His Soul Travis some old photos of Travis Because Bay Bay Travis looked at all right because I got a turtle. The my what helped me keep these turn. What do you think about new boyfriend? Rice Oh God I was his name. I don't even know his name but new boyfriend number three. I mean he seemed to be ride. A Di- a you know I don't say about one hundred and I mean he seems to be holding down for jail while he locked up. Okay he definitely seems to be holding our not be surprised. If we've seen them on the new season of love at the lockup but I just I don't I don't get it and then like a lot of the Times. The People's parents are the same age as Joe. Like you WanNa lay with his old man with Prince Albert Mullah. I imagine his bedroom smells like Kitty. Litter P cigarettes. Yeah yeah I I totally get that I? People are just attracted to the Tigers. It's like the tiger. It's like it's like a moth to a flame. It seems like these troubled young people are really attracted to this life around the big cats and then they're sort of seduced by this tiger life by what picking up tag APU GIN free meat from Walmart. I I don't know that these young women and young guys. They just seem they WANNA be around like the wildlife and then they did you know one thing leads to another and then. Joe Joe Exotic is giving you drugs and the next thing you know. You're married to him. I mean I guess. What did they say? It was a month. After Travis died Joe was getting married to a new might have been two months two months. He went on a date. Weinberg quickly. Yeah Yeah seminole Tomato Palace long okay. Let's see Jack Monday How hail all you cool cats and kittens? How does that compare to the cafes of Jeff Brooks it does it? Carol God Jeff would that went. Okay that's what Jeff needs to start second Catholic kids. Are you ready? Yeah okay. I don't think that will work. Cool cats and kittens ready. Go Bryce let me ask you this question in the form of true or false okay This is from Ryan. Who wants to know? Do you believe in Joe Exotic statement that to be true about watching porn for a little one versus a big one is a. Wha what it might say about. A person's sexuality is that is that a true or false statement. I'm ahead of our. I'm a safe falls okay. Yeah I don't know never known Joe Exotic to be wrong about you can't beat had straight. If you're looking at dead pig pecker net Paul like I was like why yes. What do I met Travis steady and I'll say hey look at home now when you watch Paul tag would debate packer or tag with Lior. Becker Travis Watch Tiger Porn. I don't know like I didn't understand like Oh. That's how you figure out if they get your stray tonight. We'll see. I've been doing all wrong the next time. I go to the grocery store and I'm keeping my social dishes and by Q. And the grocery store. Hey you you were those cheerios. With the big pack. A little pecker. Oh you're not ashtray. I mean I don't understand Chris long ago. Would Bryce go on a date with Joe Exotic? It'd be got to ride tiger. I mean maybe okay the Password on a maybe I wanNA ride a tiger but if I can get a cell phone with a baby tiger absolutely but I'm coming home and having somebody in the car with me I'm coming home okay. All right Bryce as a music expert which one of Joe's songs was the best? And why is it? The one about Garra baskin feeding her husband to the Tigers. Alad definitely have to say that here. Kitty Kitty thought favorite. I also like Joe Exotic Pretty Woman Lover. Okay and we can't forget off of his self debut album. I saw the tiger the song I saw the tiger. Okay Follow by how was I to know and that's his tribute to Travis. Okay now I don't know if he's talking about how to know if he was straight or not or maybe travis was in trouble soul but this is another thing that I didn't even think Joe Exotic thing thongs okay. Yeah this song's were so we're really well done. You think it's like a million vanilla situation absolutely because at one point in time when Joe is his win. Joe was driving in a car with his tiger and the songs is like down on the far and Joe's like doubt on. I'm like bits death. Not Joe how? How dare you price imply that something about Joe? Exotic could not young up and up. How dare you impugn his integrity and imply that joke? Sonic is lip synching. Somebody else is performing. He would never do that. You can't be too sure what these people these days. But I'm just saying I don't know if he should be jail by. That's definitely not him. That's no it's definitely him or here. Kitty Kitty but other songs is definitely not you should tweet the sterile baskin to give her a new line of attack of hey cool cats and kittens Dina. Joe Exotic isn't even really singing his songs. I who's watching the videos of Carol Basket riding the bicycle going on. They're going up watching. I first of all that helmet like. That's what I oh my God I can't even we care ashes ab here for Carol. I'm not seeing a carol. I don't I'm not here for big cat. Rescue is a scam. And I F- anybody needs to be worry. A really needs to be hauer basking because any time you know she turned on him. You're that guy should worry word Jerry. All Right Kelli Ferguson. Gin wants to say I've lived in Oklahoma my entire life. I've never once heard of this guy or that place. This is not the Real Oklahoma. Except for the part where he shrugs off a tornado in zips off on four wheeler that sounds about right so I was thinking about messaging Chris Hammons and asking him if maybe he knows. Joe Exotic I mean maybe and I don't believe that nobody knows who he is because in every every theme in the beginning always talk was the the the Gw two miles away. So you add the drive behind Joe Exotic Billboard. I don't believe at okay. Let me see. I'm GonNa text Chris Hammons and see knows. Do you know Joe Exotic. Because I could see like like Brenton Chris going hang out. Dodig sometimes believe. Br is the one that got away. Might be the only one that got away. Okay all right Let's see all right the picture of Joe with John Travis. From the the triple wedding this is Ted spent. We'll this make an appearance in the twenty twenty one. Zadie calendar I. I don't know if the good one all in pink that even a legal marriage like like. He's calling him his. I don't want to imply that. Joe Exotic is the way any other nine up up on things but that whole wedding was confusing to me as well to okay. You could using them in the mouth. Yeah for fourteen years for data pay for Walmart me okay. That's used to have low Moorgate in the pay. But hey how would you feel if you were married? And then your husband brought home another person to be married to. I think if that happens to me I think I would answer my phone. Every time he rung. Hey you cool cats and kittens. It's like did John and Travis ever hang out with Joe wasn't around. I don't feel accord at Travis. Hung out with a lot of people on the farm especially the reception girl. So I mean I'm sure they must have hung out that's another thing so they allege that travis had a baby with the front desk girl and where to baby. I would love to see the baby. I don't know I don't know you. Joe Is upset because at least if it was a guy can compete with that if he cheats on him with a woman house. What's just supposed to do? I just can't compete with. What do you do with that? Do not with that. Sh- OLDEST PRINCE ABBOT. Csc got a kitty cat pants. I can't compete with. That petting zoo. Laurel wants to know. I need a better explanation of the padlock. Alonzo Prince Albert. How does it work? And do you set off a metal detector. Do you think that was sort of like a belt wing sticking you think that's it? I don't know because he said it goes on at because he said it goes on the tip. Yeah I thought like on them. Chastity belt type things that's like Caja from what I understand So I let me get a guest on on how this works. I think that we're we're the locked comes in. I think that you're using gravity there as to let let let gravity do it's Do its thing that you're I think you're going four stretching Robert Robert Robert so I just did a podcast with Chrissy halfback g Told the doctor Mike Anecdote that I was a similar idea. He was trying to grow joke. Oh so Albert wants to know what brice like to do a duet with musician like Joe. You know what I wouldn't mind You know I would know. Here's what I would say. I would like to do a duet with whoever joins songs. Whoever has the voice behind if his bread La Belle that I wanna do Lebel but is the voice behind Joe? Anxiety is who I would love to do a duet with okay. Chris long was. How Bailey does BRYCE WANNA see? Joe Released just so he can be on love after lockup I live I am. I hope that the producers are on it. I hope that the produces as him and a new boyfriend driving a car. I hope that they audit. I would die die die. Let's see this is from Cindy given that Joe is just singing top of another band music and the voice isn't really his bryce ever write a song for Joe. I I ride Joel hit okay. Listen HE'S ACA RIGHT. On his second day he get out in the cameras. Start Film and I'm right on the hit. Okay Yeah Okay Travis Payne says can you cast the tiger king movie with only reality stars? Bryce do you think that we can do this. Could be cast the the the the actual. Now we're going to turn tiger king into into a movie and the movie is going to be a big a big Hollywood production. Hollywood is going to get back rolling with the number one. Hit from net flicks. And we're going to do all reality star. So of course. Jonny fairplay will be back as Joe Exotic and then Joe Exotic. I believe in John will be casted by Russell brand enhance your right Robert. You are right then. I think we might at think. We'll get meryl streep for Carol Bath. No we need all reality. Stars reality out are sorry who who in a reality Worl- Who COULD BE You know what we'll get Holgate Caroline Manzo from the real housewives of New Jersey for Carol Basket. Okay and they will get Bob by from the winner of season bone to play a little bit Howard basket. I believe right power basket and then we'll get that is going to be a classic on real world. You remember Ruby from the real world that the name says for Cicle we. I'm not sure if it might not be Ruby Ruth Ruth girl when it got her arm. Bit Off Ruby is going to be staff. Okay okay. Let's get down. Who's going to be so? I think that you could probably have maybe a russell hands come in and be Jeff Slow. Yes that's wrestling is for sure. It'd be Jeff flow then we could have on. That's a really who are. I wanted to say who was that guy for bribing yet. Dan Foley only Richard Hatch also could come in and be convincing. Baga von beat so he could be too And then there are so many of the good characters then We might have Joe England. Play Travis could see that okay you know just because you know you married to Sierra. We'll put we'll cast the air as one of the docs girls. You know her in Debbie. Debbie obviously will reprise her role as a dot girl and then we would even have maybe jeff pro coming in as playing the role of Cara hat caskets first. Okay okay Spencer Clawson from Big Brother. Fifteen years worth of meth. Would you rather marry Joe Exotic or be mauled by a tiger here? Put me in the Tigers Gauge. Put me in Saiga KS. Because obviously we know from staff. There is life after being mauled by. Okay so and yeah. I'm good on them. And then so there Eric Stein that he had a he had a run in with would be talking about this in the opening of the podcast before we came on the podcast so no. I don't think we talked about it on the air. I think we talked about it before. But I think that this is curve eight. So here's some tweets from Eric Stein. That he's tweeted recently. He's at prior to the entire crazy story unfolding. This dude actually contacted me to pitch a show about his tiger sanctuary. We e mailed a handful times ultimately got a bad vibe and I decline without spoiling any specific events. Let's say I'm very glad that I declined. And then he did. Eric sign get a email from Joe Exotic. Thanks a lot of things I could show you. We got baby. It's I I can only imagine air getting met him. Oh like I mean. That's that's Pretty. Wild mean missed opportunity. Okay he missed his calling Yeah is sitting on a goldmine. Okay Move Michael. Shea is a crime that none of Joe Exotic songs ever made the Billboard. Hot One hundred. I think after this year I think he's going to be the host of the symbol. I think it's possible. Let's see Michael Snow. Said we're going to do this. Podcast he said this is a dream. Come true I mean what what what I think is the blessing of this show. The Tiger King is that like Saturday night. I had no idea what I was putting on. Okay Net flicks recommended this. Let me just put it on but baby was I in for the tree of my life. Dow. I never knew I needed the tiger kings obey and I never knew my disdain for Carol Bass a lot of. Who's the FREAKY EST freak from the people on twitter? Let's see this is a question from cuckoo design at one point. Joe Exotic wears a jacket with the symbol for paramedics on the back of jokes on a paramedic on top of being country singer Tiger Tamer and presidential candidate. It ordered to work the have a Tiger Zoo. I think you have to have paramedics. There's I think you know he was just you know Devon as the help and the Helpers Rebecca wants to what do we think about that funeral scene okay so after the very shocking and tragic death of Travis we end up seeing footage from the funeral of Travis where Joe Exotic gave a eulogy and then he performed a song at the funeral? Okay that was the weirdest thing that I ever did. See All of those people just standing back there like as if like this song is emotional. I was so scared. And I think he performed here Kitty. Kitty Kitty Kitty. I don't think he performed here Kitty. Kitty Yeah Very Dylan was that is the name of the new. The new boyfriend on. Yes okay all right some other questions from from the listeners. Let's see what would you rather work at price? Joe Exotic Doc antle or Carol Baskin's. I'm definitely working at that answers. Okay I wanted to be a my low Zebra. A little tight. Okay my Zebra Loescher. I WANNA look sexy while I'm at work. I am definitely going at DOT's I'm definitely not working at Big Tiger cat rescue because you need to pay me and I'm not you know I'm not working for Walmart so I think I'm GonNa go to Doc. I'm going to be a sexy tiger. Go to Carol Baskin. You will work for free. I guess not but it seems like that. There's other than Carol Baskin's ex-husband's nothing bad has happened to the staff there. Sure you don't have to go there and be Carol Baskin sex slave. Yeah you know that. We don't know that to be true because that's the only guy it's only Howard. Well we don't know if Howard is keeping is keeping Carol happy. It could be one of the blue shirt employees or not employees volunteers. 'cause THEY ALL WORK FOR FREE. Okay death tax tax evasion. Okay so Tori on twitter once. Can you ever look at a jet ski normally again? There was a very weird scene towards the end of the show. Where this one guy up on like a jet Ski Montage Like one of these guys who was like four months move was that about with the with the chunky uniform. Right the big one. Yes the Portly Lemur. The for the portly chat right. Yeah first of all I wanNA know how he got on them. Just okay because I thought it was a weight limit. I was very confused by that. But he's another one that should be in jail. Meanwhile he has that Lemur in his office while he's interviewing he's another one that should be. Yeah he was like lower worded as his title was business man nothing Shadier then businessman and he was one of the ones that went into Business with the other guy. What was the other guys named? Jeff Shaw Jeff Jeff. Oh Jeff Jeff Lau Jap Lau. Yeah anybody that refers to themselves as their title of businessmen. That is a criminal. I can understand so you don't know what somebody does like. Oh he's like a businessman. Okay fine with you referred to yourself as businessman that's code for you're doing some shady stuff. You have got a pet lemur in my office. You can't talk about what you're doing because you're a businessman. That's very shady Justin on twitter. Which would you rather marry a gender? You're not attracted to be one boyfriend of ten of the gender. You are attracted to a so I guess. Would you rather be somebody that? You're you're not attracted to Joe Exotic but you into marrying him and it's just like you and one other person or that I am attracted to this gender. The one of the women that is straight but then has to share Baga von with ten other guys or girls. I'm a probably go with the Joe Exotic relationship just because it seemed like Joe Exotic cared about them. I Dunno bike. Lavar for like you. Just look at them as sexual objects so I have to be in a relationship. I rather be in a relationship with somebody that at least care amount me some. I had to go with the JOE exotic from I don't know I don't know it's hard for me to say a complete rampant speculation on my part but I think I'd rather be a one of the women that's married to Baga von because this can other women so it's of like you know with the playboy mansion where Baga van only has so much time that I feel like that ninety five percent of the time I'm left to my own devices whereas being married to Joe Exotic seems like a lot more work. We'll get end. Joe Carry their guns so if you try to. Bang Bang poop fell. Yeah I mean. I don't know maybe I should rethink about this. Maybe I should go. Yeah okay And then Savan on twitter says topics that need to be explored in this podcast are sects gel versus sardine oil so account asking sites. Sardine oil. As what you would have put on Joe exotic shoes to make the Tiger attack you sex GEL. We don't really know what it does That have I don't know if you compare the two well. It's funny that Carol Basket would know what to put on by it and make a Tiger attack you do. You tried to do that. Permanent Hustle. All OVER YEAH. Yes she put. She put thirty oil all over her husband and Fed him today. Can't that can eat human she incriminating up all over this documentary. Okay okay. What do you think about Fiji? Pizza versus expired Meat Pizza. I live some ad expire meet. Look I would I think I'd rather go with expire? I might be going. I might go for the meat lovers at the GW and then finally Savan wants to know. How did JOE GET CAROL'S DIARY? Dot Dot Dot Yeah that was interesting. Because that's what he was reading aloud on the JOE excited he would do. He would do a live action with the blow up. Doll of CARE will get. I don't know how he got there. Diary Yeah I don't know I don't know exactly how he got it either which I think. That like maybe. She published her diary. Probably if I had the guests that I think in a in a way to sort of get herself off the hook for everybody that thinks I killed my husband. Here's my diary. And she published the diary that was definitely written after her husband was dead. That sort of gave her alibi for the night. What was the diary when she was not even Carol? Baskin wasn't a diary when she was like Harold Lewis and when they were actually like selling cats. 'cause at one point in time carol was selling cats so diary like. Kinda like with that as well too when he was talking about like how she was seldom cats. Nothing like all of that or am I making honestly Bryce that this was like five hours shock. I do not have the kind of information. Oh my gosh. But Karaoke asking Karaoke. Asking us to sell cats okay. She used to be a proprietor and the big cat bring. So that's why I don't trust to. I don't believe that the big hack rescue is really out here. Rescuing them she just wants to be a big zoo and take all of the other competitors out. Okay should've Joe Exotics somebody to Florida to killer. No but if JOE EXOTIC has to be in jail I think the person that he sent to kill her should be in jail to the Co conspirator and the whole thing should be in jail too now that that's just you know what do I have been quarantined. Show the last couple of days so yeah oh one. Other thing that we didn't touch on was Jeff Lowe who should definitely also be in jail. His whole racket was that he wanted like tiger cubs to entice women to be in three sums with his wife or girlfriend. And that's what that's what his thing but at the end guess what his wife or girlfriend is pregnant and she was like. Oh you know. She's like she's talking like all sweet and he's like yeah. Look at this nanny that I'm going to hire to work for me. I'm like really one of the like. Maybe the really bummed out of that does this woman. No she's going to go be in this very. I don't even know what's going on any nanny that responds to add of must love kids and tiger cubs. I think they know what they're getting into the robber. Oh I guess so I guess so they basically put out there like. Hey WanNa be nanny for a house full of tiger off then. That's that's the trouble young person who's coming in that was just super. Why is Jeff Wise? Jeff Low non jail. Actually if he's listening to the podcast do not arrest Jeff Low. He's a solid guy. He got a bad at it. He's a he's a good guy. Everybody should go check out zoos and had a threesome with him. Not A bad thought. He was handsome. Also please have sex with Jeff Lowe if you meet him. You're listening joe flow. Do not send a hit man to come. We'll even if he says they hit me HE GONNA GET HALFWAY. There goes it. Don't even matter fake it man. I got back from Chris. Hammonds BRYCE I. What did he say? What did he say Madam a handful of times? I'M FLEET? Wow Wow oh my God what a world. What a world boy. Anything else about tiger king that we need to talk about. I just need to know when we come out with the Free Joe Joey. Joey exotic bumper stickers. Okay because this man does not. He's a national treasure. Okay yeah he did some raw but you know I felt like he's paid his debt to society. Need a ladder mouth. They also have said that he they found a Lotta Tiger bodies on property. Do you think that that was a trumped up? Charges Against Him Matt thing is how he over forty acres. Where how you so you just go right to where he buried the Tigers. Okay Carol Basket so you can find these tiger bones but you can't find carol baskets husband I don't Know Yeah I. That's that's a good question. There's definitely got a lot of good questions. I don't know I think that Joe Exotic He might be hoping for a presidential. Pardon from WHO JO pay. That was that was joe pens. Okay all Right Ed. You think that there will be any other follow up to. I don't see how their campy okay if not just on the staff alone. I don't see how there can't be. Yeah I really feel like that. There is going to be my prediction. Is that next? Stop is going to be some sort of Joe Exotic podcast. This is how this works that there will be somebody involved. Like whether it's Jeff Flow Carol Baskin somebody involved. Baga von. Somebody's GONNA do. You heard the story of now here. The Real Story from Jeff. Jeff Jeff loves threesomes. The podcast did they. Did they pitch that? See You Robert. Because that kind of sounded like second nature right sample lighter tell Eric Stein. They get back to his tax. Somebody involved here is going to say okay. We're going to do the PODCAST. We're going to tell you the real story about tiger king you cool cats and KITTENS APPEAR. I've got picked on Joe Exotic and Chavis and Jeff flow through. You guys. Listen up here. It's the number one cool cat here. Carol and Gary Husband whose whose husband has been carol. Hey Brice if they don't start making some survivors soon. I think that the ROB has a podcast. Might be all Joe Exotic within okay and I can help out diva fist back. Then okay to watch all joe exotic videos and then we'll go back and we'll go to all of the Joe exotic TV episodes and we'll recap all of those. We need a Joe. We need a JOE EXOTIC. Want off as well too. So the Joe Exotic Wand off all songs that are survivor parody songs to the tune of original Joe Exotic Song like here Kitty. Kitty did you google here. Kitty KITTY AFTER WASHINGTON BE I. I didn't WanNA look at it. That's the first thing that I did Robert with Google here kitty. Kitty okay. First of all you couldn't you couldn't told me that. That wasn't Carol Basket in the movie. I mean you got like a Carol Baskin lookalike. That was really really was okay. All right So let me see if I can find the video on Youtube. Okay so here is so. I think I could play it for you. Okay here's here kitty. Kitty Joke Joe Country Music Artists Got Carol. Deaths walking around like a remake that she's looking at a convertible a black convertible all tiger print. The Carol Baskin lookalikes. She's GonNa she was red and she had rich T. She felt the blood through her. She liked the lack of big cat. San Wad of cash and this is why better this is still KOCI. Put a little crazy. God his the end the said Ou wrong. Got like a like a head on a platter and then like a bunch of slices of cold cut says she's handing the Tigers the in my God. What happened all the Tigers? Do you think Bryce I think some of them got some of them got compensated to like local zoos. But and I don't know I think Joe what's his name. I keep what's the bad guy named Joe Flex jokes? I think he also turned over to him and it was his zoo Jello. They'd they were still running the zoo and then trying to move down to Florida. Yeah I mean. Can't they work with like a geneticist to can? We have some sort of like tiger pony where we make a tiger that stays the size of the baby tiger. Its entire life they I mean I know that a the like all the scientists are busy right now but I feel like that. This would save the entire world of tiger abuse from happening. Well and then we'll then this is what I learned. What the Hell is the lighter real? I mean I think I think that's when they breathe a tiger in the light. 'cause Joe Exotic had ligers and so did a Doc. I mean so yeah. I guess it's when you make a tiger in the like you get a tiger and allegra the hybrid of a male lion and a female tiger tiger and that's what Carol Carol Baskin is against. That Sushi doesn't believe in crossbreeding the races to not call again. Take this Lisi. Yeah let let love win. Carol Baskin Okay. The heart wants what the heart wants price. What about Tiger King that the world needs to see if you have nothing tiger king? You need to watch Ed. You just need to have your mind open to not know what you are about to watch. Because that's how I watched it and that's how I enjoyed the two MOJO's yeah. Yeah wow what a what a crazy world we live in the number one show in America. Tiger King of everybody is watched it because they can't leave their house. Joe Exotic is locked up Carol Baskin and Jeff. Lower Free Chris Hammons stay about Kris knows. Joe Exotic everything that you need during this Corrina chiller tried trying to tell you. Okay all right. Bryce what else is going on. Besides the world of Tiger King you know just regular over go you know just out. Here churning out these purple pants podcast episodes you know watching these TV shows. You know I actually am thinking about. I might write a letter to Joe Exotic. You know I got my whole your whole you know just letting them know I washed movie. I don't think you're that bad of a guy that you know our hope the best for you. I'm GonNa see if I can. Maybe be joy exotic spin so this is a very much like a love after lockup typing thing right as a love after lockups. I but I'm just writing. The prisoner is a writer. Prison Dot com to see what Joe Exotics mindset okay. I'm not I'm not agreeing to go. See No thijs more him. I mean I don't know if I support him but in the documentary. I don't see him as such a evil character. I just see him as somebody that I don't know what he is. But I I have a soft spot for Joe Exotic my heart. Okay all right Bryce. What should people be watching if they want to catch up for next Purple Pants? Podcast so I mean I watch a ray of things but you know. I've been obsessed with chronicle son on Fox. I've been obsessed with love and life after lockup. I've been obsessed with millions Hbo Documentary About Eight S. Good Robert. You won't be disappointed And then you know the ninety days before ninety days I've been you know up on this a number of things. I've been catching up on purpose. Podcast using you. You see something I watch. Let me know because I always trust vice of Rha because you know what? The tea is presenting. You WanNa talk about survivor or you WANNA way. I think we'll wait. Officials survive episode. You know because there's a lot of guys get off my chest because my twitter fingers have been busy okay but other than that. No I think we wait some reckless schedule time. 'cause I got a lot to say okay. Okay everybody needs to go and follow. Bryce if you're not following bryce yet at Bryce Isaiah what else should check out. Based on our show check out the Purple Pants podcast instagram Purple Pants podcast on instagram. You know we do. A lot of exclusive spun content that you didn't get to see or hear on the shelves. So yes you know me on. Instagram. It's what I try to. I try to keep it. You know popping. I try to keep it moving out here. Okay Yeah can you talk at all about Your Wares Wendell over photoshop? Show it to my kids. They yes we haven't you cover for this Cortina chill so maybe like two weeks ago. One window was on episode. They released the press photos. He had his bag and I just thought. The photo was so hilarious. That just like tweetie him and just random different places and that sweet just Kinda grew and grew and grew then. I was like well. Wait a minute maybe if we put them in a where's Waldo people could actually try to find them so we even a Hashtag whereas window. We just did a contest last this Wednesday. They're just past where the people that could find them all five of the photos or Win Team. Wendy's swag bags so it's a whole different thing. Robert Swag Bag. I window theme Windows. Sex GEL WINDOW BATH. I think is the The starting oil that comes with the Sardine oil not in the team. Wendy's swag bag show the we kicked it Gel. I can how about that type of job so I'll go out no nothing about that. But it's just hilarious and there's just superfine during the quarantine people did you. Were you able to find them any of them? The ones you did last week. I didn't do the new ones yet. But they out to my kids. They'RE GONNA be way into it. That's okay all right. The grape president. Isaias Bryce thank you for spending some time with us to talk about Tiger King Right now. Thank you for having me Robert. It's been excellent. Excellent excellent excellent excellent experienced to all you cool cats and kittens response. Do you think people will like this? Podcast feed that. We were too hard or not hard enough on certain people I mean. I don't know I feel like this. Podcast all over the place. I felt like very brand for me. I'd be curious to see what the reaction is. We'll see then. I stand by a free JOE EXOTIC ORANGE. Free Baby Boy. Yes and then to all the people who are murderers who are involved with tiger king who are listening that we think that you guys were actually got a bad at it and should not be arrested for anything that happened in Tiger King. Okay you guys are cool. Cats and kittens all right. Thank you guys. So much for listening plenty of survivor. Podcast to check out on Roberts check out the Purple Pants pod guests and we'll talk again soon. Hope you're doing safe wherever you are everybody a good one

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Local Hour: David Samson on Tiger King

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Put me in the rabbit hole and I feel like this was some sort of revenge plot by you for all of the issues. I've caused you over the years from the Marlins for all the Agile Delta you purposely did this I blame you. This was essentially my payback for your horrible Josh Johnson Trade. That actually ended up working out for you guys but betrayed my trust ultimately forever. So where do we begin? My attention can't let you cannot say that in and move on to some of America's trade your trust forever get David Okay. We WE HELP. Get you the park. We help get you the park right. I was all there for it. I was championing. Your 'cause we had you on the show every week season tickets. I had a mini plan at the old stadium. I didn't have a season ticket. Plan with the with the New Orleans Park but I did have an old mini season ticket. Plan with the the Old Marlins. I LOVE THE MARLINS. I wanted you guys to get that stadium. I was really happy. I didn't care consequences. Be Dan you guys started signing everybody's spilling cash all over the bar. I was so excited. And then like the second. He'd season ends. You guys end up trading everybody. I was like well that was that was pointless and this is just business as usual from these guys. Are you get to enjoy season ticket holder of the MARLINS? No no because you broke my love for the game. I don't like now I'm gone. Why wouldn't you give it another try genie's out of the bottle? I don't like baseball. I was going to give it a try this year and give the new regime start from scratch after talking to some of the people there I deserve. They deserve better because they were paying for your sense so so I'm going to give him the names they're for is the sin of overpayment. We've talked about it before on the show like the main thing that you guys were considering was obviously the dollars and sense of the deal but the public relations of that Josh Johnson early. Jose Reyes traded to Toronto. Was in the office with you. It was a huge element of that deal for those. That aren't familiar with it. This deal it's sort of sent a message to fans whether David wants to admit it or not a lot of fans got the got the message that Oh man. We just got duped. It's business as usual. The marlins are selling all the players all over again. This was supposed to sap happening when we gave them the new stadium. How much of a conversation was at internally? Well it was not internally at all. I had it with Jeffrey at the time. Saying this is from a business standpoint where we have to do to stay solvent. Or unless you want to start selling some Picasso's but the bottom line is that this will be very hard to recover from but we will we are. We have long term horizon at the time. I didn't realize that five years later the team would be sold. I thought it'd be a much longer horizon for recovery and I also thought that the incoming players I'm i. I looked at a box score from our opening day few years ago. Can you imagine having Stanton Yellow Chosun? Jt Rail Muto and Jose Fernandez right and still not winning. Eighty one games. It's it's almost incredible to me. How disappointing that is. Yeah and they were good players back then to obviously the counter argument to that is if you just held on everybody but you also don't know what's going on with Health and obviously with Jose Fernandez and his tragic passing. But if you kept that together that was honestly considered when you look back on it. One of the greatest outfields of the modern Era David Samson. There's no question about it. But what people tell me to make me feel better as yellowish would not have become Yelich Marlin he had to go to Milwaukee to do it. But I don't buy into that. I don't think players we're going to develop. We'll develop no matter where they play no matter what they say. And then but you'd think about with Stanton he would have been a free agent keeping him and the money he has and his injuries and Osuna has ended up going year to year. It's just hard to know really what's going to happen. I promise we're GONNA get into tiger king but one of the messages that the Moreland sent out there remember we had you on the week of that trade with Toronto and then we stopped having you on because he got really toxic around the MARLINS and jeopardy. I think at that point said you can't go on there anymore. Public reaction to that trade was a lot like it was consistent with my feelings. Let's just put it that way. One of the the PR spins that was out. There was you guys just didn't anticipate the financial hit of Ozzy. Guineans comments publicly. Can you put a dollar value to what Ozzie gins pro Castro quotes in the media? Can you put a dollar value to that? So I've actually never discussed this before and because no one's actually ever asked me that direct question and the reality is that the economic impact of his Castro comments were dominicus and I spun it. As though they were maximus. Reason I did that is that I wanted to have an excuse. As to why we weren't hitting our numbers that was not a reflection of my inability to sign the right players or build the right team or win enough games so what I did is made sure that everyone thought and it was a reasonable thing down here in Miami to think that people weren't coming to games because of Ozzy gins comments on Castro. I made the entire world. Watching the franchise believe. That was a factor. We suspended is again for that. We put on. Put Him on an apology. Tour for those comments in the reality is they were truly irrelevant economically. Wow because the people who were impacted by those comments the most never paid money to go to games incredible. So you've just been sitting on that and we're waiting for a direct question. That's one of the first rules of being president of baseball team. I don't offer information and if you ask me a question you know me Mike. I'm going to answer honestly you ask the question I'm answering. Yeah but you didn't answer it honestly back when you were in it as you just admitted well what I've said since I started nothing personal. I've told you that the reason why nothing personal works so well is I can actually interpret whatever executive and player agent is saying because that was me. I acknowledge all the spinning I did. I would spin stories in order to benefit our business. They're not criminalise. Ways of explaining calming down the market by the way the panthers do the same thing in the old days when they announce all those sponsorship deals. And everything's great. I can announce sponsorship deals to the cows come home and it doesn't mean we're actually getting cash for them. Is that a subtle mention of Michael. Your Bark Michael. Your mark is somebody that we talked about on the local hour. He's not really that known. I mean He. He was working behind the scenes in the front office. Really Business Operations for the Florida Panthers. My first internship after Outta high school was For the Florida Panthers. I I in turn during a lockout season which meant after three months. I had a corner office and I was doing someone's full-time job. Michael Your Mark was certainly an interesting character for those. That are familiar enough with his work since moved on and now he's working with ROC nation. I believe so he's he's one of Jay z's right hand men when it comes to agency. What do you make of Michael Your Mark? And the way that operated the Florida Panthers. He made a decision early on that he was far more interested in PR and self promotion. And so what? What they did is they would give away a lot of free tickets in order to pay for the House and what we knew about giving away free tickets because we tried it and we spoke to that I knew the owners of the panthers. I said when you give away a free ticket thinking that they're gonNA SPEND MONEY ON HOTDOGS AND POPCORN. The truth is they. Don't the people who spend the most money per cap on concessions? Are The people who spend the most money on tickets free tickets? They bring their own food and a plastic bag and don't spend a dollar and the sponsorship deals were the same. I knew all the companies he was doing deals with because we were in negotiating with them too so we knew exactly what the deals were. And there's no way that we were going to devalue our sponsorship deals in Marlins Park given what was going on with the panthers fascinating. I'm just learning so much right now. In honest David Samson you could catch his podcast. Nothing personal with David Samson. Okay the reason why you're here tiger king which I make the mistake of calling a tiger land occasionally just because I love that movie. I don't know if you've ever seen tiger land with consciousness alone. No no no. That's a Colin Farrell Colin. Farrell became a star. It's a great so basically there is Training Training Camp That the military uses out in Louisiana. I believe the call a tiger land and it was one of the more intense trainings that military people could actually get a lot of people went crazy at tiger land. And this was a movie that made Colin Farrell a star. He got a bunch of critical acclaim. The for Enbridge. This was well before in Bruges in Bruges was actually the sort of his comeback. Wow okay yeah check tiger land zip before phone booth all right. I actually love phone booth. Phone booth is a great guilty pleasure movie. I absolutely I've I've watched it at least five times. Absolutely love it dude phone booth to me? I've seen phone booth. It's in the top five movies that I've seen like most because it's so light digestible. It feels like it's one consistent shot Colin Farrell. That's a really difficult job that Colin Farrell had to had to pull off in that film. No doubt do you hear Kiefer Sutherland's voice in your head from time to time because I do yeah. It was a really good decision to not have a muffled through the phone that you heard perfect audio quality because he's got such a great voice. That's one of Joel. Schumacher's greatest films and Joel Schumacher's an interesting director. Because if you read about what happened to his mental health. After he got just slammed for Batman forever and Batman and Robin a lot of fans blamed him for ruining the Batman Franchise. He just sorta became an introvert and he took it really really hard phone. Booth was one of the projects that he did. After that trying to sort of reclaim any sort of credibility. It got positive reviews. The original star was supposed to be Jim Carey in Colin. Farrell stepped up last second. Did you know that I did not know that they would have had to have made it a taller phone booth? They would've and these are all things that I picked up on. Just because I was I remember. I was so into movies that I went to this website. It was like coming soon dot net and it would talk about all the projects like this seems like. It's just such a fascinating premise. For a movie now. Phone booths people. Don't even there's no phone booths anymore? People can't even really understand the concept of a phone booth and they even touch on that in that movie because at that point it was starting to become a sort of dated concept but Jim Carey was originally attached to star in that film and the Director's commentary is certainly worth your time on phone booth. I've seen it several times. I'm on the program. A question about tagger King. Can you imagine first of all hedge? I'd never heard of any of these characters. I never watched the youtube channel of Joe Exotic. I was coming in fresh and I had no spoilers. I had no idea what it was about. I knew of Joe Exotic through last week tonight with John Oliver when John. Oliver played the clip of Joe Exotic running for president. Where he's like I'm gay. I'm into some kinky sex. I'm broke his shit that that whole thing. That was how I knew of Joe Exotic and everything sort of clicked when they replayed that John Oliver Clip. I'm like Oh this is a guy 'cause. I fell in love with that clip because he kind of looks like I I kind of thought. Is this a mockumentary? Because he kind of looks like Eddie Izzard a little bit I was like is this show dirt. Yeah a lot of people are saying David Spade should play in the movie. They're actually making a movie. I think it's a mistake right now. The plan is for it to be a drama kate. Mckinnon is attached to play. Carol which I think is an interesting casting. Who WOULD YOU CAST? Is Joe Exotic? Actually so what's the name of the guy who who blows up all of this stuff and Tropic Thunder Danny McBride Danny Mcbride? That's why would have a JOE exotic. Yeah and also the old from American from American Pie Sean. Got Three names. Shown William Scott John Williams Scott would play one of the throttles. The one the one with the tattoos all over with Joe Exotic Tattoo on his crotch. Yes Sean William Scott in my casting. Yeah also to clean something up Joel Schumacher also directed tiger land which is why he has hit Colin Farrell late last-second and phone booth so definitely check out tiger land. That's my recommendation for you. All right all right altitude on the entire series my contention yesterday was that this was one of the best American comedies. We've seen in years after watching this. True Crime Docu series and reading about it. Some of the some things amplified. Do you agree with that sentiment? I WanNa talk about the text I sent you because I really meant it after I finished and I promise you I would finish. I did you ask me my reaction. I said it's like Shakespeare in that I don't know whether it's a tragedy or a comedy and it's possible it's both we're looking at something that happens. And I I got a lot of tweets that don't spoil it so I don't really WANNA spoil the end but the end happens in every episode right. So there's so many spoilers you could give the one thing. I was thinking about one person the whole time was Billy Corbin. Because what's amazing to me. Is that everything always happens in Florida. Everything like this entire Tiger King Florida is like the centerpiece of the insanity of it. And we've got a Hitman who talks about driving the Florida and he stops in the Carolinas at strip clubs to do cocaine and doesn't make it or when they're opening up snakes to put cocaine inside snake in Florida. I was thinking what am I doing? How do I not realized that we are involved in living in this crazy place and I love it so I was watching tiger king just thinking I love where I live? Who is your favorite character in the in the entire film like everyone sort of like on social media picking a team team? Carol? Are you team Joe Exotic. Are you team? Daca antle so I have two teams much like a lot of people in the documentary. I'm going to split my loyalty. The first one is DOC antle. Because I'm looking at him. Thinking is this panel. Is this tailor so so confused? Trying to remember is pen. The Tall Guy is short guy. Couldn't remember but he reminded me of the tall one of Penn and teller and then looking at his flock of seagulls who are with him at all times. Just makes me think. Wow that's a cult. If I'M GONNA start a cult I choose one over the JOE exotic call too right. Yes so that's first second on on team. Carol second husband. How is it possible that he sits there and his Khaki Pants Denim button-down shirt sitting next to Carol? Talking about the guns they keep it in place. It's such a great detail. Khaki pants with a denim button airs. Which by the way David is asked backwards? If you're just big cat rescue you should be wearing khaki button down and denim jeans. It's so backwards everything about Carol's universities backwards. So would I was thinking about carole. Second husband is I think he may be just US. Mond right like I was thinking about weekend at Bernie's while watching him because he didn't seem real to me poor so out of all the lies told in Tiger King I think carol trying to convince a nation that she just went for a stroll down Nebraska Avenue. Late One night is chief among all the lies get. Outta here Carol what the Hell. Are you doing walking Nebraska like two in the morning so one spoiler? That's too good. She had to throw a baked potato into the room. Like who has a baked potato prior to boiling or was it being boiled and she threw it. I was I was after the entire experience really bothered with Carol's excuses of how she got with her first husband. I'm like wait a second. You through a potato and you just went down a stroll down Nebraska. You talked to anybody in Tampa. They're just looking at her side. You went for a stroll and you pick Nebraska out of all the avenues and some guy just randomly picked up and he had a gun and he told you pointed at them. Wait you miss something? He circled three times for. She agreed to go in the car. This is like Vivian. From pretty woman right. That's what she was doing. Yeah so all right let me ask you your take on some of the hot theories that out there. Obviously everyone is weighing in. I'm a little uncomfortable because I don't know if this is maybe sexist playing a factor in some of this because Carol does actually present the best out of all of them but people take preconceived notions and a lot of arguments. Don't exactly hold water but the main thing that's holding this entire Docu series up as a mystery. Did Carol Killer Husband. Now be very careful because she seems pretty. Litigious David Samson but your take on the chief mystery Carol and her missing husband. Do I really think that I mean are we going to spoil this Do I really think that she fed him to tigers. Like I just I although I used to believe none of this and then I watched seven hours of this documentary and now I'm thinking that's how they came up with the idea in Fargo. I thought that it was brilliant writing right. Going through the woodcutter it turns out. That's like a Tuesday in in Florida. Right so maybe it's possible. She Fed him to the tiger. But I personally believe having been there and knowing that it's a pretty cool place. I think it's possible. He's in Costa Rica. Having one hell of a time right now. I came away with that too. I'm not ready to jump in on the Carol. Federal husband to the tiger thing. I do think that one of the interesting theories as septic tank and when Joe Exotic went through his Internet show and just put his mouth behind a picture of her first husband. Check under the septic tank. I'm under their moments. If he were in the septic tank right those get cleared from time to time they have to so under the septic tank that win work because when you put a septic tank in you have to dig a hole so the whole septic tank thing because I knew nothing growing up in New York City about septic tanks until I moved to Florida now. I know everything about septic tanks septic tanks that one I dismissed immediately. So Joe Exotics Production Facility Burns down and that's also a mystery although that one's pretty cut and dry to who did it seems as though. Joe Burned down his own production facility. And we know this because I don't know how they got this video but there is a hidden camera that Joe is wearing when he goes to talk to his attorney and his attorney I mean not so subtly puts it in his head. You see what I'm saying. Joe If the production facilities all the tapes are there. You see what I'm saying. Joe and then joe gets the idea. Why WE'RE JOE TAPE? Joe What we learned about Joe. His level of narcissism was pretty amazing right. He was filming everything. Which is a documentarian dream? Which shocked me about one. Other thing that I noticed the lack of dentistry would for me. That's that's the meth. But why you can't fix your teeth after. I have no experience with this but once that happens. That's it you can't get new ones. Joe's first husband has actually since gotten new teeth but I thought one of the best directed moments of the entire documentary was when they were talking about meth. And Joe's first husband just sort of smiles. The comedic timing on that without saying a word was just perfect directing. What did you make of the entire direction? As a whole I've seen documental take to social media and say that they paid people to say certain things and sort of tell the story that they wanted and I'm willing to even give them that because this was just so incredibly entertaining. Do you think that this was a little bit amplified in terms of what actually happened? Oh for sure. There's a lot that happened for dramatic effect and one of the ways you notice. It is the reporter. There's that female reporter who's given an interview if you look at the clock in the background which is a clock found. In a lot of studios you can see the time stamps. And the fact is that. She's not telling the narrative in the order that we are seeing it so. She's giving little nuggets. So one of the nuggets is at Age Sixteen. And then you've got eight thousand three and then you've got eight forty two and they're doing it in the wrong order and they're doing it in a way to make it. Look they mess with time quite a bit. But that's extremely common survivor of the show that we are. Watch those confessionals there. The timing of those. If you look carefully people are dressed. This it's the same confessional before and after a challenge but actually it's in a different time periods so there's a lot of interesting things that directors can do. It's a quite perceptive of you. I didn't notice the clock the background. I wasn't taking mental notes about the time stamp after I saw the entire documentary. I was grateful for DOC antle being there but I wasn't exactly sure why he was there outside of just being a sensational character. He doesn't really serve any purpose of the story at the heart of this film. Which is JOE EXOTIC VERSUS CAROL? Well but then you have to say the same thing about the drug dealer in Miami. Whatever his name is Marco Polo at? Dan says he's the most redeeming outside of the people that are missing limbs. Most redeeming character is the scarf as drug dealer. Who's in there? For like a minute we can have spinoffs tape day we can have spin offs and the Docu series that I wanna see what happened in Ohio that they just touch on. If you remember that story as it happened with the guy that owned his own private zoo in Ohio that just let loose all the animals. I know esquire did a fantastic piece on it. There's a Docu series there to David. What is your view? As we're coming to an end I would imagine because of time but I have a question. Would you have a big cat as a pet? No no die but are you an animal. I love dogs and I like going to zoos. I do feel as I've gotten older and just certain my perception of zoos has shifted. So I I want you know a free area. I'm not with like animals in cages. I am certainly not a big cat guy. It seems as though if you're a big cat person that might give people a glimpse into your sexual life that I had no idea that you could get a lot of things done by just having a baby tiger around so I'm glad you segue to that because I love Las Vegas and I had no idea if listen looking back like on Bachelor parties. I've gone to and I can't even believe that all I needed was a little tiger cub right. And that was the ultimate sort of Aphrodisiac. Had No idea and now I think back to the hangover and it's all making sense to me with Mike Tyson and the tiger and the big cat. I literally had not thought of any of that before yes. I was heartbroken to find out that it wasn't Joe Exotic. That was actually singing those songs. Who believe it? I mean David drill off on hold on. Are you telling me that? He dubbed his country music videos so we had guests on. I believe his name was Robert Moore and he did a profile on this so the band that actually sings. That song is the Clinton Johnson Band. They were hired by. Joe Exotic and Joe Exotic just mildly faintly sings over the track and passes it on his own. Okay I am despondent. There was a time maybe five six seven years ago maybe ten years ago now the Jeff Cohn. There was an album released of major league baseball players singing songs doing covers of songs. I don't know if you remember this but it was a very popular album and Jeff would come two. They came to Conan's house. They bring a recording studio and they made his voice sound way different than it is way better than it is. It was an amazing cover of a song that I can't remember at the moment but they had all sorts of players doing it. So that's what I thought was going on with Joe Exotic that they made his voice better but it was definitely him telling me. It's Romney Malik. If you search. Clinton Johnson Band on any of the streaming platforms. He'll tell right away. That's the voice that you're hearing and now joe exotic which is crazy because get the whip and I'm Brocchi Shit. It's surprising that that singing voice Come out of the same voice box. I was saying those things earlier in the documents that have to Admire Joe Exotic as an entrepreneur as a character and the fact is he was little p.t Barnum so his view was that any publicity is good publicity and his whole gubernatorial effort nineteen percent David. He got nineteen percent. I Wanna I wanNA tell you how insane it is when I saw the final tallies and I was thinking to the Democratic primary. That's happening right now. And the amount of money and time that series people spent who couldn't come close to nineteen percent literally and Joe Exotic did it made me smile but in a way that made me sad. Yes do you think. Joe Exotic gets out of jail because it seems as though you know how. Oj Simpson finally went to jail for something. That was very clearly a setup but we were all just like you kind of deserve it anyways for previous crimes you got away with Joe. Exotic seems to have quite clearly set up here. It seems as though he was talking very flippantly about Carol in ways that were dangerous and certainly threatening but it never seemed like he actually would have the guts to go through with this plot to kill Carol especially pay Allen the South Carolina. Crackhead three thousand dollars to do so. It seems as though Jeff is the smartest of the bunch that's maybe carol who's very manipulative. Jeff saw an opportunity like some idiot savant to just read out Joe Exotic to the feds and get immunity but it seems as though he's GonNa get his self preservation is an amazing quality to have. And you don't realize how much you have until you need it. And that's what low did. Carol is a cult leader bottom line same as same as everyone else. Same Angle Her. Kalt is just as different members in it but I think he won't service twenty two years Joe Exotic. I think that he'll be back and it'll be interesting what he's rooting for now very hard. Oklahoma is corona virus. Because if you think about it. Nonviolent in inmates are being released and he would be one of the top candidates to be released if there were a outbreak in Oklahoma. Really so do you think murder-for-hire qualifies as nonviolent. He's really in there mostly for the Animal Abuse Right. He was convicted on all counts. But it's the animal abuse. That really is what what gave gave him that much extra time. Yes and it's sort of cruel that he's finally as famous as he always hoped he might be but he's in jail. I still think the Internet right. Yeah he's reveling in it. So one. More question on this euthanasia of animals that the Tigers the cubs those who are being killed or gastro. Whatever they're doing. I think zoos do that. I think that that happens doesn't WanNA research that today. Yeah if you have one hundred cats you gotta think the numbers one of them's GonNa get injured one of them's GonNa get. Ill might be the doing of just like the general setup of the zoo. We can't overlook that but these things happen the animals and you want an animal this suffer. So are we really we holding against him? They didn't do a good enough job explaining why exactly these cats died. I I wish that we had a better because it made it seem the federal government just makes it seem like jokes just felt like killing cats which I don't think is that the case. I'm sure there was a reason for this. Each cat was like three thousand dollars and we know Joe we know Joe Right. He's not gonNA put three thousand dollars under the ground right now if they attack him or they attack somebody or they attacked the other cats. Then maybe but he's not just going to shoot for fun. He shoots blowup dolls right. That's what he does not actual assets. Yes absolutely so. I'm glad you finally watched Tiger King I say finally because it feels like we've been in quarantine for months and months and yes but thank you to Netflix. And the filmmakers of Tiger for giving us such great entertainment David Williams. We'll talk to you next week and I will be reviewing Thailand. All right David Samson nothing personal have a good one.

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Episode 5: What 'Tiger King' Gets Wrong About Tigers

Cat People

29:53 min | 3 months ago

Episode 5: What 'Tiger King' Gets Wrong About Tigers

"I'm just adjusting some volumes year testing testament to three and TESTU good everyone. I'm Peter at one of the producers of cat people coming to you with an unplanned fifth episode series. Because in the time since we've released it feels like the whole world has changed and All right I feel like this is a little bit appropriate Just like everyone's on lockdown now and recording their shows over the phone in the podcast world. But like. That's how we did this all along. This is true. Yeah so the words just caught up to us. Yeah ritual was actually Mike. This series that she doesn't have anymore so she'll sound a little bit different today but when. I say the whole world has changed. I'm not talking just about corona virus because the big cat world has also been totally upended by tiger. Kim The netflix series about Carol Baskin Joe Exotic and other tiger breeders which covers a lot of the same ground that we cover an episode for this series and because the story is crazy and everyone is stuck at home quarantine. This show has become this pop culture. Supernova. It's the only thing people are talking about. Besides Corona virus. The whole world has seen this show. It feels like at least to me. I mean my social media feeds are completely taken over by this show friends or posting photos of themselves of their kids of their pets dressed as joe exotic characters the means are just never ending celebrities. Tweeting out about Joe Exotic. I've got people calling me from New Zealand for interviews about Joe. Exotic people in Kenya are asking. Hey what's up with tiger thing in the US it's it's definitely different world OJ. Simpson tweeted a video. Saturday night live did a couple of sketches about zoom. We need to come together as one nation because no matter our differences all Americans can agree on one thing. Carol Baskin's definitely federal husband. Those Tigers some exotic twenty twenty a reporter even asked the real president trump. He reconsider a pardon for Joe Exotic. The trump had no idea what he's talking about. I know nothing about twenty two years. For what what did he do? We hired someone to murder. The animal rights activists but. He said he didn't do that and he was. You think he didn't do you on his side so all the stuff happened. And then my co host. Rachel newer finally actually watched the series. You Know I. I didn't want to jump onto the Joe Exotic Bandwagon. I felt like I had said my piece. That's great moving on but once I sat down to watch this show. There were just such agree GIS ethical issues that I found with it that I felt compelled almost morally to put our our version of. What's wrong with this? Show out there in the world to sort of appear say like. Hey everybody we know. The show's entertaining. But there are some giant ethical rule breaking holes in this telling that people should be aware of this is kind of like a viewer's guide to Tiger King. Yeah definitely even think of it like that. If you've listened to this series but haven't seen tiger king all you need to know. Is that the show was made by. Rebecca shake London. Eric good who appears on camera. Occasionally good is a New York nightclub in hotel. Developer and owner turned conservationist filmmaker and he was filming in a tortoise reptile dealer in Florida when someone showed up with a snow leopard the back of their van. It just blew my mind. What is a Snow Leopard? Doing in the back of this guy's hot fat that set me on this journey to really understand what is going on with people keeping big cats in this country before long good as filming Joe Exotic and Oklahoma Carol Baskin in Florida and a couple of other big cat owners in South Carolina and Miami but mainly he focuses in on this feud between Joe and Carol and just downfall and arrest take me through the like what the doc gets right and what it gets wrong sir. Sure I think what the dog gets right is capturing the charisma and charm of Joe Exotic that has captured so many people over the years and that turned him into a something of a cult leader of this this doctor media sort of like a megaphone for that co-leader message. What it doesn't get right is so many things. Let's let's start with the small things these classic could. Joe Exotic lies personal details. That aren't you know Earth shattering but the job really repeats to every single person who interviews him. I've been the cover of Hollywood magazine twice. For example Joe is bragging about being on the cover of Hollywood magazine. But that's actually publication where you can just pay them to put you on the cover. I have my first two albums. There's songs he sings that were featured so heavily in the documentary music videos bigger will. Joe did not write those songs. He did not sing those songs. A guy named Danny Clinton saying them and they were written by this other guy named Vince. Johnson and I talked to Vince Johnson. And he's super pest that Joe Exotic continues to get credit for these songs. So you know. There's this little details like that. Why not get those details right? And then there's zoos origin story that it was this ultimate tribute to Joe's dead brother. Listen is actually me and my brothers. During you know in nineteen ninety seven he was moving my sister from Dallas to Florida and he made it forty miles and a drunk driver. Hit him show when. I signed the papers to shut his life. Support machine out and donate his organs. I promised him that he would just not be a statistic. The people of the world would know who that is. One of the biggest lie that he says was that his brother was killed by drunk driver and that turned off of brothers. Locked the board and both elder wrong. We need the only one who is really irked by seeing all these lies reproduced for an audience of who even knows how many hundreds of thousands or millions of people Chelsea putman Jo's niece was also really annoyed. She had only this very brief cameo in the documentary but she spoke at length with drafters. Twice brother was killed by someone that had. Dui talk his record and his. I mean he had a wife and kids and everything. I don't think Joe would be far down the line for medicine. All garold had a wife. He had kids he had parents. You Know Chelsea's league. Why would job be the one to turn that off or make that decision you know? He wasn't but he repeats that lie over and over again. I guess because it just makes for a better story for him and I guess now a better story for this Netflix stock. Yeah it turns them into sort of a more more interesting more sympathetic character definitely so so the documentary. It's sort of fails to fact. Check some of Jo's life What else is it doing? It also seems to just break some really basic rules about Not taking quotes or shots out of context so for example. There's this one scene where Joe rents a helicopter to fly over big cat rescue spy on Kiro Baskin show. We went to this little airport outside of Tampa and win the helicopter and flew over big cat rescue and Joe. Introduces this idea. And then it cuts to a shot of him and Travis Maldonado in some sort of aircraft on it but the thing is when Joe did this flight over big rescue. He hadn't even met Travis yet. So it's just not true. Why Edit Travis in there to pretend like he was there it wasn't even there so that I mean it's okay so that might be accidental. Like you just sort of editing in a hurry. They're I'm sure they're on a crazy deadline to produce this So so what else happens? There's weirdness in terms of sources you know like I've worked with really great photographers and videographers In doing journalism and one thing they never do is direct someone how to look on or try to influence them But I called up John Finley and he's featured heavily throughout the documentary. He's Joe Exotics former boyfriend and also former professional partner and Encino after seeing John Finley in this documentary is filmed without his shirt on and that was like a very big talk on social media. You know like Oh my gosh look at this guy and Oklahoma wisey wearing a shirt I asked John and John said that Eric. The director basically told him to remove his shirt for interviews. Eric said something like. Oh bring your sexy self to encourage him just a strip down. The weird thing though is when Rebecca the other director was asked about this shirt thing in an interview with The Times. She said something like. Oh Yeah. We'll John's proud of his tattoos. It's a quote unquote big thing in that particular culture. John said you know they made me look like a drummed out hillbilly and yeah that that seems to be the look. They were trying to to capture there. I think the producers wanted to make everyone look a certain way I everyone look stupid in terms of I mean how documentaries are made sense of whether this was breaking any rules. Yeah so I mean this is really bothering me because none of this would be okay for me as a journalist but you know. I'm not a documentary filmmaker. So I thought okay you know maybe the rules are different all call ups documentary filmmakers and see what they say. Well I think that if you speak to different filmmakers you'll get different answers that's Glenn's ever. She's a documentary producer and writer and his standards do lean more towards journalism for me and for the people that I work with behold a pretty Bright Line. We're pretty strict about it We're not going to distorts The underlying truth of the story that we're telling just to try and entertain people. I would be in a situation where I'm making things up or amalgamating things Just to have a sort of a narrative efficient because that's the difference between documentaries and and you know and scripted films. Not everyone feels that way though especially filmmakers to deal with lighter more entertainment friendly documentaries and especially for those who make reality TV tiger king. According to people like blend and others I talked to is really more again to reality. Tv You know. The story is embellished. Things can even be scripted People can be directed. Entertainment is really the priority with the problem is nowhere in Tiger King. Does the audience ever know that? It's watching reality TV instead. It's label documentary on Netflix six. It's very seductive. It's very persuasive. And sometimes when something shows up on our television screen we just presume what we're seeing is fact checked and true now we're going to step TV on your wall and you're going to presume that everything that's being being into your eyeballs is Gospel. We're delivering to you something. That is factually inaccurate. Particularly when it's about something that is critical to our day to day lives. That ultimately could be quite dangerous and tiger king does deal with something. That's really important. The big cat crisis that is going on in our country and the filmmakers were very well aware of this problem because originally when they approached the baskin's and others they specifically told them that they were going to make the blackfish for big cats. You might remember blackfish. It was that incredible documentary a few years back that put tons of pressure on seaworld and eventually even helped convinced he were to stop breathing. Orcas to tiger was supposed to be this great phone that would expose the evils of big cat industry shutdown but clearly that messaging somehow got lost along the way you know if it was ever even truly the intention from the start if it were the blackfish for Tigers. I wouldn't be spending my entire quarantine answering questions about what really goes on in roadside zoos. And what really happened to these tigers when their time being used. That's cutting Nassar Director of the Animal. Welfare Clinic at Michigan State University College of Law Tiger King in her words was just a dumpster fire and clearly made by somebody who has no interest in actually birding the interest of animal welfare conservation or justice. But rather somebody who wants to just create some type of Jerry Springer opera so carney in wasn't even interviewed for the documentary. She wasn't even approached for an interview despite being a leading authority on big cat ownership in the US a woman named Gala Eastwood. Who used to work at Joe? Zoo was interviewed though and she told me that. The filmmakers completely deceived her about their intentions. I feel completely misled I want. They told me he said that he was doing a six. Part Docu series. That was going to cover summer the underbelly of the exotic animal world and that Joe was going to be a part of it and it was going to touch on the cut petting and things that go on behind the scenes at these roadside zoos than the normal public. The massive public who's never worked in a zoo life. That has no clue what goes on there. That's what he personally told me. And that is why I agree to it. In the end the petting all the problems. It causes barely even shows up. I mean I cannot tell you the number of tweets. I've seen with people asking like wait a minute. What about the animals? The it is just not made clear to people who art experts on this topic petting. They touched on it. They showed one little cab being drug from its mom The wasn't even that long view. Thank goodness because that was horrible. But they didn't really explain how these mothers are. Mass spread and their poked and prodded and and darted to take their babies away. And by the time these babies are four months old their whole purpose for being born if complete. I didn't see that anywhere in that documentary. So one word of I've heard around the production tiger king was that got away from the filmmakers that net flicks muscled away and at some point and took over enforce these poor directors to focus on Joe and all the personal crazy drama. I get it mission. Creep does happen in all sorts of creative projects. Things take a turn. You start editing or you start writing and reporting and you realize that you're not actually making the thing you thought you were when you started out however. That really doesn't seem to be what happened here. There were no expert. Who were contacted? Who's Kurnia Nassar? The law professor from Michigan State. And I suspect that happened for a reason I slept. That was a calculated decision. Because somebody who's making documentary wants to talk to as many independent experts possible so they can become aware and educated about issues related to the subject matter of their film. And this is somebody who who never did that. Howard Baskin Kill Baskin's husband also really doesn't buy this idea that this is all netflix fault. Especially not when it came to the obsessive focus that was placed on the disappearance of Carol's ex husband. Dan Lewis in Nineteen ninety-seven. The NETFLIX didn't go. And all those people from twenty three years ago about don so for them to say Oh net flicks did this no. It's just totally disingenuous. And Eric is a season businessman. He could've it could've first of all he could have been. His negotiations protected us if he really cared at all about what we do and what we're trying to accomplish we're walked away from the deal and he didn't just to show you how how. How betrayed feel over the five years? I'd have to go back to you on camera. But what do you think they came here? Eight Times you know. We probably devoted twenty or thirty twenty. We used to them and they wouldn't and they would call on short notice. We clear our calendars for them. We went out and they would you know and you know they were there good conmen. They convinced this. Oh they were best friends they were. GonNa you know do something that had impact and meaningful and the film. While shows some petting. It does very little to show people why it's bad. So what the show does focus on is Joe and his dealings of Carol but in Tiger Kings telling Joe comes out really looking like a hero and curl looks like a hypocrite in other words. She's the show's villain and that's had some very real repercussions for Carol's life. She's received literally thousands of hateful messages and threats over the last few weeks stupid bitch when we all hate Jason Seriously Joe Dada if he was here. That's the Real Mellow. You're just a woman but we're going to see a baskin who do not really. Pretty Carol. It's a I'm just probing you trying to find out more information about your crooked ass. Buffing cat rescue. I told you I'm GonNa fuck you up just getting started bitch just getting started having Nice Dr. The show doesn't emphasize a really even touch on the things that make her sanctuary fundamentally different from these other places again. Big Cat rescue doesn't breed. Tiger cubs doesn't sell big cats in fact if one of curls employees or volunteers is even caught touching an animal. They are fired and never allowed to return. Curls also the main person champing legislative efforts to end all big cat ownership period but none of that has made clear and instead in Tiger King Carol became the Internet's favorite person to hate. Here's Britney Pete from Petah. Unfortunately it's not surprising that in in our misogynistic culture that who has been terrorized and literally hunted by a man who was convicted of numerous federal crimes. That she's now being victimized. It's tragic but not surprising that Carol is the one facing a public vitriolic in some ways. This this actually does seem intentional. Because Tiger he didn't just leave out a few relevant details and play up carols ECCENTRICITIES and inner. Chew some really unfortunate shots at her looking kind of awkward shifty but it actually twisted fax about her and about her sanctuary so her cages for example are shown as being these like tiny depressing Chickenwire looking things. When in fact the smallest cage on her property is twelve hundred square feet. And that's for the smallest species like Bob cats encircles then there's also quotes that are just blatantly. Taken out of context at one. Point drills seems to really coldly. Dismiss her ex's fairly. There's nothing that I really want to say to any of these people. I know that the only reason that they are saying the things that they're saying is because they see me as a threat to their livelihood into their ego. The curls is that question wasn't even avowed hurts his family. It was actually about show exotic in people like him and with that being. They're driving motivation. There's nothing I'm gonNA say or do that's going to change that. Finally there's one more thing that the directors did that really crosses a clear ethical line and that's pay people for interviews That's something that we never do or at least it's similar again. Like other professional filmmakers. I spoke with. He said that unless you're making a reality. Tv show paying. People is just not acceptable dot we. We would never ever want to pay someone because it might influence their perspective. And if they're impo for employees and their perspective someone may accused us of how of influencing their perspective to be in line with our own point of view. And that's nice that we can acceptably Allow ourselves to do I personally if I was in doing it and investigated anything. That was a piece of investigative journalism. I've never I would never pay subject matter. Yeah you know how peripheral they worked to the store. Rebecca the coup director firmly denied in an interview with the Los Angeles Times that she and Eric ever paid people for interviews. She said they only paid for a very few instances and in that case it was for people's lives rights for their footage or videos or photos or sometimes for shooting locations but six different people. I talk to who were all interviewed for. Tiger king told me that they were paid for interviews I'm not going to give number but I will tell you this. By the time I was paid for my third twelve hours I was able to make a house. This is Jeff Johnson. He's a former Joe's who now runs a really popular. Joe Exotic watchdog page on facebook. I'm guessing four digits though Could you tell him talking and I hate to I hate? I hate to wrap 'cause he told me that I was exposed to discuss those But at the same time I feel like you let a Lotta people down for freeze. Good Beach Becca. I will get back to an thank you so I did. Try to call Eric. Good and Rebecca Jake. Linda ask them about all these things and just to give them a chance to and tell their version of events eric. It's Rachel Newark. But after trying multiple ways to reach them Eric finally called me back in said he and Rebecca were not allowed to talk to me and he wouldn't say who wasn't allowing them or why they weren't being allowed. Netflix also denied an interview request. Because no one would talk. We can only speculate about what was going on on the directing and production side of things. But I did talk to Michael Weber. Who produced the documentary the elephant in the living room about exotic pet ownership and has spent years getting to know all the players in this world like others? You really suspects that the choices made were deliberate spent years on the cat rescue and also with Joe and did any kind of research whatsoever. You can't walk away from that not knowing what's really going on with the big cat crisis in the United States will not knowing who are the bad guys who are the good guys who are the people causing the problems and who are the ones who are out there trying to solve it in my opinion what we saw there was a positioning things that were completely on true That's not a missed opportunity. That's a deliberate act on the so maker. I know it. I see it so Rachel. Where does this leave us? Does Tiger King matter in a in a bigger picture. Well Assuming Joe doesn't get a presidential pardon and gets released from prison. It's yet to be seen. Where if anywhere tiger canes been a lead in terms of changing the conversation around big issues in this country but a lot of experts I talked to are afraid that it might actually hurt efforts to indicate ownership by turning joe exotic into this cult hero and just by putting the idea of Pat Tigers into people's heads. Now I'm seeing constantly on the Internet. We're talking run into the millions of people. Now that are supporting him for bad behavior Hawes they believe that he's the victim. That's Tim Harrison. The former police officer slash paramedics less firefighter in Ohio. Specializes in exotic animals. When you take the bag guy you know when the bad guy becomes the victim. That's you know that's when you have yourself up problem. Yes so when you turn someone joe exotic into this hero suddenly like going out and getting that tiger so fear getting a pet tighter yourself. It's a way to kind of stick it to the man to tell the government you know like Fu to tell cops. You're not going to tell me what to do you know I'm GonNa live my life. Whatever so it could very well be that we start seeing tiger cubs solve these and more Pat Tigers. And I think it's GonNa get worse when it comes to the general public doesn't know for sure wanted to win on but yeah. I think it's been a it's going to cause more problems for the big cats and more more the law enforcement also to for us to So despite all this it might still actually be possible for some good to come out of this thing. Tim. Baskin's and Carney Nassar and others. I talked to him. The animal welfare side of things are really hoping the shows absolutely monumental popularity will give the federal government the Nudge. It finally needs to really clamp down on big hat ownership. You might remember the big Cap Public Safety. Act that build Caroline Howard or spearheading that would ban cub putting and phase out ownership. Well it's still moving through the process of becoming law and there should be a vote sometime soon. You know depending on what happens with the pandemic if anything. Tiger tain has served as to experts to advocates that we need to be doing more to take on the sax rather than the soap operas. We have to stay focused on the end objective to let people know why they should care to let people know how they do help without ever leaving our couch. They can pause their net flicks bench but two minutes on that a legislator and do something to end this breeding cycle. We'll probably never know the true impacts of Tiger King cause-effect is extremely difficult to measure. And I mean there was already a big cat crisis in this country when this thing dropped now that the misinformation is out there though it's out there and for the majority of People Tiger Games probably going to be their only information on this topic and because it's such a big hit. Were probably going to see a lot more in business on this kind of storytelling. That is reality. Tv dressed up to look like a documentary. Ooh What we do know though. Is that Curl Besson. As usual continues to be threatened and attacked for her crusade and big cat. Ownership Joe on the other hand has finally gotten what he's always wanted worldwide fame. But you know it's kind of a deal with the devil because he is in jail and he's still can't sing this ritual newer. She also wrote about Tiger King for the New York Times. I'm Peter I write about it for outside magazine. This use is produced by me and Rachel and Andre quit music and sound design by Ravi carver editing by Mike. Dang Chris out called art by Zoey Van Dyke fact checking by Matt Giles. This is brought to you by long rates. Everybody before we go just a quick note to remind you that cat. People is made possible by listeners. Like you you care about supporting quality journalism. Please consider helping us with our work by becoming a long reads member good along reads dot com slash join and contribute five dollars or more to go towards your next project so become a long reads member today by going along reads dot Com slash join. That's long DOT COM SLASH. 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EXCERPT: Tiger King Recap Episode #1

The Popcast With Knox and Jamie

13:41 min | 4 months ago

EXCERPT: Tiger King Recap Episode #1

"Hey is what is up. We hope everyone is saying safe and distant out there. We're actually coming to you today because we have a special sneak preview. We wanted to drop here for you to check out over a patriotic. We decided to do recap series of Tiger King on Netflix. Because it has commanded the attention of the masses and also because it's just like super aggressively Buchwald Aaron Jamie and myself when it's talk about it and so We shall so what we're GONNA do we're GONNA do a weekly recap of episodes of Tiger King until we've covered the whole series will do a basically consecutively will take one break for Instead of doing this recap we'll be doing a cinema side piece movie recap But otherwise we're into the straight until we cover the whole season so what you're gonNA here is an excerpt of our our plus conversation about Tiger King We do fun. Facts by all the people and locations involved We do impressions of people who appear in the documentary. Carol Baskin. That's that's my impression of Jove saying Carol Baskin's name really quick. I know you're super impressed with that. We also do you know really academic analysis of whether or not documental is DT S. That's down to smash with his animals if this sounds like something. You might be interested in go-to patriotic dot com slash. Podcast that's P. A. T. R. E. E. N. dot com slash pop. Cas T go there. You can sign it to be a friend of the show our best friend of the show and you can hear these recaps as well as all the other stuff. We're creating every single week for those two different tiers of people just really quickly like we do. Weekly more you know Episodes that drop on Monday. We're talking about pop. Culture current events. We send Messiah he's episodes. Were recap a movie that you guys are. Supporters Vote On. We ask anything's once a month. Where usually on a Tuesday night? We'll get together. Hang OUT WITH YOU GUYS. You can ask us any questions and you can watch us. Awkwardly LIVE ON VIDEO. I try to answer those. We're doing a loss of there. It's a really great and Fun Community. The sum you're interested in check it out if not no worries but without further ado. Here's our. Here's an excerpt of our conversation about tagging. Hello and welcome this very special tiger king recap. So what do you see a tire? King beat we could do. Tiger tagging tagging be recap episode? Drew me as always people who if you get too close. They will urinate on. You think there should be shirts. And we're like I was peeking on my all right. So this is our maiden voyage of recapping. Tiger King on Netflix The tale of Joe Exotic I we've we've talked about this. It's certainly captured. The Cultural Zeitgeist interns conversation reactions Let's grab our specific relationships to the sacred texts show I I got into half a third episode. And then we recapitalised so I wanted to say as virginal as I could so I stopped watching and I went back and watched this first episode again. What about you so I listened to the over? My Dead Body podcast. That's about Joe Exotic and then the Friday that this came out I started watching it immediately because it felt like Kooky crazy plus I the thing about the podcast was. We didn't have any visuals. And someone. Aaron I listen to the podcast on a road trip to pigeon forge Tennessee. What a weird mixture allies in January by the over twenty years ago so I. We were so curious how everybody looked what the places looked like. And now it's like it's like it's going. It's like vividly beautiful to watch every a really. I and I said I did. Listen to podcasts as well because you guys recommended to me I didn't think I needed to watch it. And then I don't know twelve seconds into the first episode. Oh I've always needed to watch this. What about you? Aaron says the same thing we listen to the podcast pigeon forge and then I been. I started watching it. We got two episodes in and then we started talking about like recapping it and so we pressed pause and I okay yeah. I went and watched the first episode when we talk. Let's before do that. So let's do a little background ear. And would you like to kind of describing explained with this show is so this is a show about a roadside zoo curator like an exotic animal curate up And I don't even like. How would one even describe Joe Exotic? He has been a presidential candidate. To`real candidate he has He has many husbands. Yes some of which some of whom are straight but they are also married to him straight confused. I feel like a little bit of God so far. There's a line in the beginning of the show that I feel like describes him right gay guns that comparatively insane gay gun-toting drug addict fanatic. Yogurt is don't forget polygamous. Because he has that as well that's handcuffs. He wears as a belt buckle Lots of lots of ED HARDY VIBES. Eyebrow Rings Eyebrow. Ring any pair. Saying well you better line went in a different direction. Yeah if my nose I had like Christopher guest but for like from Hell best in show the like real dark variety variety piece that was written about this. That said he's part Joe Dirt Part God beliefs which I really love. You can't underestimate them. Out of Splash that Oklahoma. Florida has in this show. And it's not overt but it's definitely the background you can see influencing Everything Okay. Do you guys want to get into the episode? All right so We kind of. We're going to divvy this episode up because Like we were talking before the bachelor. has temples of like non-activity this one a lot of material time but I think Briley there's like seven different parts of this episode. So we'll go through those here. On the first part we get that its introduction to the idea introduction to Joe and really start off with Eric in a think it's called a retail dealer Really I think one of the underrated elements here is. I think they're really service. The shadiness of towel dealer but also air good has an underrated surfer bro Voice. You guys noticed that you really do it's cooling and that's kind of the inciting event because guys like you think that's nice cool. Well I've got snow leopard in a frigging heated van Did was this a part for you guys where you saw it and you're like Oh and be sad because like this is going to be like animal neglect stuff. No I wasn't sad. I was really impressed. With the ingenuity of puddings like venomous snakes in just tupperware. Just oh it's like. It's like the gift bag they give it to you at. Victoria's secret takeout containers Styrofoam. There should be like a better way to transport venomous snakes. I don't know what happened to like. You need holes punched in it or something gotta breathe. It's Ok sad for that little snow leopard especially because that guy was like. Oh this is more rare than my clouded leopard. And he's like why don't you suck on back like though that he shouldn't you turn the air on. He might not acclamation. Worry about. That's the thing too is that it's weird. To see these animals like in the back of a pedophile van. Like it's just a weird vibe just didn't realize even with the podcast listening to it like how many of these big cats are just wandering around. Yeah yeah they really like. There's a news clip at the beginning where it says that there are more They're more big cats in owned by people then in the wild in the rest of the world baseline down. Do you guys think there should be private zoos and cats like wandering around. Oh No I don't like I don't like it like it feels weird. It feels weird because I was just thinking like dwell in favor of this like am I on the side of docking in Seoul. Like I'm on a show that are you Carol Baskin Cider Joe's But just like in general. I don't think I like the idea private. Zoos I think a little oversight with him. Yeah actually a little bit of governmental oversight. This week just feels weird that you would just 'cause like that guy that they use the the the newsroom free like there's some idiots in the world and I liked it they. He's the guy we meet at the beginning. This like we don't even know we didn't know at the time but he was like listen. Animal People are Christ. I'll give the quote. People are nuts. Monkey people are totally different. Big Cat people are backstabbing pieces of Ashworth. Actually running. I'm just I'm not a fan of it. I feel like they're just little like they kept saying in the show like a ticking time bomb. Paid that off. This was the mole where. My Mom bounced from the documentary. She's like a can mom. My mom can't see like amber getting hurt so she knows she's out so I've gotten a little better with that run and that's because in this episode and this is for those who maybe haven't watched it yet like this episode. I would argue is one of the toughest okay in terms of dealing because you have to set up the Animal Scher. We're going to move out of the animal vibe year. A lot of the other episodes but like for me. There's this whole like the whole scene with the cows. Yeah and we'll get to that. It's a tough if you're wondering like oh can I watch if I'm like? I literally turned away both times. I watched it but God. Even if you're a highly sensitive person you're gonNA hear wanted justice another race. Yeah listen to the PODCAST. So for the rest of introduction we get we get Joe full-throttle Aaron when you saw because he'd listened when you saw Joe in the flesh like was he better than you expected where she inspected about saying he is like created an chamber to be the perfect like roadsides zoo in Oklahoma. Like that I'm like I love you. Oklahoma you're great. I think you have great buffalo. You're the pioneer woman and I think she's great but like this is this like all of my family is from Oklahoma services. So Louise Quintessential yes absolutely me. Oklahoma feels like sometimes. Oklahoma wants to disconnect right. Because I didn't want to be in the south they're like we're not in the south in the deep south. That's not what we are. We'll guess what rednecks everywhere. Yeah they ought to be in the deep South have crazy people like Oklahoma is again a great place but this is like you can find some of these people in like tissue. You're on saying that. That's just where they are. That's that's what I love about him. Is that in. In like enlisting to the podcast I thought he was lake country and probably tightened and probably wore tight like a simple redneck but a symbol rag knew. He is a complicated right. He's a very complicated read. It's magical it's the voice is one part of it and you hear that on the podcast to hear to hear the voice in the flesh is one thing but to me. It's really his wardrobe. Which takes them to the next level. It's just unexplainable the flourish in the nuance with which he dresses him. So many accessories really relying Yali. If you really hone in on some of these accessories they are Banana. Like a detailed. He's got a detailed boot. He's got a detailed belt. Yes he'd like again. His answer hanging cops are bedazzled. Why are you wearing bleach? Top part of his mullet he has but not the bag late. Can we count the eyebrow rings? I know there's like five or six of those one piercing when collective piercing shark. What do you think I think both ears are pierced? That's three what over under on Body Piercings. I'll put at seven. Both nipples pierced shrubbery sweaters. Appeanas THING PERIODS UNAWARE J. I would I would take the over big thing. We get Carol Yeah. My brother-in-law said There's something about her. That reminds him of Hillary. Clinton like a very backwards Hillary Clinton. It's mainly the voice because there is a. There's a throaty laugh. She's no affect. Yeah there's no it's not passionate is not angry. It's not. It's just very matter of fact that's me in an indication of ASSOC- interested to see but there is a void there. There's some there but it but it's like but it's dressed up like a hippie. Yeah because she is on pink tiger socks when we meet her. She's wearing a frigging flower crown. How do you like? How do you feel about her mixing? Oliver Prints. It's not for me. Good for her not for you. That's exactly don't like that very aggressive. I'll be honest to go tire. Ed Versus counterintuitive. Thought was a celebration of like skinning but I realize is a pattern not skin but if I know look guys. I had my notes alley absolutely. I think it is like it. Feels like one of those things. Where like you tell your family that you're into something when you're a baby. Yeah you're into cats and then like no one everybody's you would gift but cat stuff. Just the campus your the cat personnel. That's the trap. She's more in the sense when I was in sixth grade. All I wanted was a pot bellied pig. I really wanted to have any pets would like just trying to save up to get one so every time I got anything for. I got like so many pig figurines as a child like that red blooded pig. Yeah I wanted a pet people giving you figurines. Yeah because they were like you ain't getting pig. She wanted the animal they thought you must love all things pig. Yes the platonic version of a pig right now. They were cute. Juba game playing. Like what are you going to name it where you're gonNA keep it like that? Yeah like I was going to keep it at my grandparents ranch. Yeah wasn't even be want want to disclose that all right. You're not going to say. Oh this is if we get to ten thousand page reveals. We will get her office.

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DPT Mini - Tiger King Edition Episode 1

Dumb People Town

19:54 min | 4 months ago

DPT Mini - Tiger King Edition Episode 1

"Hi I'M JOE. Firestone have a new podcast out now called day decisions. It's a show where I talked about the last twenty four hours of their life. They're still alive. They continue to live but the last twenty four hours before they recorded. That's what I'm talking about and talking about little decisions that they make throughout their day And I I really think that little decisions like whether you choose cue tips or cotton balls. I think these are the kinds of things that really Make make the great people great. So that's why I'm talking to them. We're GONNA have all kinds of guests like dentists and Comedians and musicians and you know children under five. It's going to be very good so subscribe now wherever you listen to your podcast starving. A podcast network sales unaware they lack good news breaking down a half contrast with compost around town townies. Welcome do a mini episode of dumb people down the tiger king addition special. Drop into your feed because as most of you know we are watching tiger king with each other and with you we did it live on instagram. Live which was Definitely were we're learning as we go. We're trying to figure out set up next time. Where we can have microphones. So we're not so far away from echoey But this was a our first venture into. We're actually just figuring out how instagram live. Video works but loved. We actually went back through and read all the comments so many of you participated which was awesome. By the way we are practicing safe social distancing. We've been away from each other. This is the closest we've been. Yeah and nobody's really touching anything and we are pure ailing in washing all the time. So let's talk about this first episode and do a little episode recap because we thought that'd be fun for all of you. Who are watching this. Show that first of all the first five minutes of it was what you're gonNA see moving forward and pick up on gathered. It was like. This is what this was the life. Perry Mason used to do that. Where you kind of see you show up for the whole show for the whole show and this is like you can skip that intro. Every time as they say okay they kind of do that MC millions but lots of crazy stuff came in loving carol Bastin Bass askins gas asking. By the way I love in baskin air to the Baskin Robbins Fan. I did not know that I know that go baskin. She's got one flavor and take those tags down the biggest thing to me in the show. I mean obviously the biggest thing the difference between people understanding the difference between something and whether or not it's right. Yeah it's not just because you love something doesn't mean it's okay. Yeah I'm sure. I Love Kraft. Macaroni and cheese. Yeah I can't even every times a year. I sure Buffalo. Bill loved the woman that he kept in the well inside of his Boston loved her. She matters more to him than anything other than the dog. You can the bucket. You can't keeper in a well look at your house to me. The moment for more apt couple moments stuck out to me is like like Oh took a turn. That guy's shirt off guy with his shirt on we'll talk about that says love is the time I was fourteen. I do I was gay. All right great we all adulation it does make me kind of love. You feel good to realize you can hate a gay person so your home so far it has to do with gang gang thing because remember the jackal. The movie came out. And I think Bruce Willis was a gay character in glad at the time it was still very much like people just off. Handed hated gay. People in our society is still not accepting them. Yeah so glad. Petitioned that movie to change that character and re-edit that movie to not depict him because he was a villain. We've come so far. Thankfully that you're villain can be gay. And that is has no relevance twenty percent chance after watching this first thing that what if he's not the villain maybe there's this terrorist. Joe There is no. There's no way firing. You're trying to say as he might not be the only villain right right. They're going to buy that. I'm willing to buy that too but what I think is fascinating and I kind of forgot that it was getting. I'm like Oh this guy is crazy so this is what's so fascinating to me is that here's a guy who has no zoological training. Yeah he calls himself. His neighbor worked for the place. I'm doing rehab when he was in Rehab and so in therapy and Florida which great ideal every in for therapy where you go Florida. I don't even know if that is the next question out of someone who loves US mouth. Should be watt from gang. That brought you. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Comes therapy and therapy for so always. They're able to think about this Dan. This guy had like families God fearing families of people on his property up K come in multiple time coming multiple times with letting their kids touch the animals if he opened every show and he kinda did by wearing those jackets. But if you're but those people also love Paul Lynde if he opened every show by saying when I was fourteen I don I could see though that crowd of people just yelling boo and starting to like shoot and I was showed him and shoot the title and I would say to him. I'd go keep what is happening I think. Tv guys the emergency happening right now. Oh my God knows who cares all my guy. Tiger there was mad that we were talking about it and he's starting to show to get a stop. He's clairvoyant getting no. It's not the most. Let him do whatever they wanted to get over. The fact that episode starts on the nine one one call. I'm now 'til eight trailer. I don't know what is if he did that. I'd be like Kudos to you. Great Fellow Human Great Open Open Doors. Keep keep the keep the beginning part where you tell everybody. You're gay Yup lose the animals. Yes when he when he put my son Head in my son got bit. I didn't blame him one bit. You know when I didn't trust him as when he said he was gay. Oh is that so okay? So J. brings up a point that we made this comment several times. Okay the people who are there are to blame the people who are paying money to go to. There's no question who is worth the leader of the follow. That's so the people who came to look at the animals in this guy's essentially his backyard. It's not as backyard. But he's got cages erected that it is not right for these animals to be where they are and by the way it's difficult for him you have to hand water cows you have to get. Moose and deer that had been hit by cars. You have to. There's so much that he has to do the as a gift shop. He doesn't have to go shop. If your someone in your family's sex Jill Gel would someone in your family. Say WE'RE GONNA go see some tigers today known some do Taus No. I've met members of your family. They would at some point in that conversation. Someone invited them to go do that and say you. WanNa bring your kids your mom or your uncle. Ken are some would have stepped in. Be Like we're not doing. We're not doing that. That's a dumb idea Our parents would never someone's GonNa get hurt. I don't feel safe doing it. And that and then the next thing they'd say your can would be like. Hey you shouldn't have these things. Okay so you bring up a good point so for everybody and I. I'm so glad we get to do this. Podcast to tell everyone we touched on it a couple of things one. If you watch the feed I understand a lot of you. Don't understand film perspective but we were farther away than it looked in that frame. We're not sitting next to each other no A charity far away and ends of a counter being used so as best we can but also We address that We've done our best to do everything we can. So here's the other thing I would say. This story was sent to me so mine now and I don't remember all the details. I remember reading it. Obviously I don't forget that face how that hair just that hair definition of beauty. Thank you Thank you but I knew that it would be that the reason that ruled it out for us as a traditional dump people town story is the animal cruelty aspect and then. I think there is obviously violence and things like that as well. Aren't things that we touch on sewed? Hey Wanna see something. I just bought a Snow Leopard in one hundred degree van. I don't even tend to do stories where people were like like it. Better be really funny. If if if if it includes the fact that someone has a gun the story. Better be really funny. My point is is like even if just on the even if the article had just been him using an AK47 to blow up like dummies of human people. I Know Gore for seven. The other thing is when that guy roles. Open the van door and you see I. I felt I have a bat in my house that was given to us by By Nick The guy who owns a flying bad. Not a bad bad soup. That started this whole fucking problem. I'm talking about a baseball bat in as that guy was doing that. I imagined me swing a bat as hard as I don't. I'm not a violent person but I'm like man I would love to beat him till he's dead. You cannot do that and then call Carol asking and let property we're GONNA compare. I don't think we're going to like her either. I don't either so my thing is like. Here's my thing. She's showing US her closet. My very first of comedy like real set was with you guys at comedy onstage in Madison and in that set I probably very non funny way. Try to do a bit about how I don't think zoos do exist. A great idea. That's where I know go back to a point is is that. That's how I feel even about zoos. Show will be your way yeah. Dan's work for real. Zoos were created. Be On an educational level. Just we didn't really care about animals. They keep saying. But that's the reason that anymore because it isn't like you needed not needed but people went and got a fucking Zebra because no one in Cincinnati would day now it's like one travel is infinitely easier than it was before not currently but I'm saying in a usually the Internet planet earth. Every zoo you'd need need to these animals in cages just for people to fucking look it up now. If you are telling me we are a rescue place. These animals would not survive in the wild. So that's why Carol Baskin is saying. I would have to do more research into animal kingdom and Disney world. It seems to me that that is a true habitat that they've created. There's not like a cage so people might educate me and say other things but San Diego. I'm not one hundred percent comfortable with it either. I'm press but I don't love. It just seems to me that there are rules where they're like well. This sea lion would could not survive in the wild so it lives here and I would be like okay. That's better than it being dead. But if you're telling me we just got all these animals or we had these animals may run them. You just fuck off. You can make a hundred thousand dollars off this tiny cub right here. That's something that in those line. The set few weeks in a few weeks that this year one hundred thousand dollars off this Cup so he sees the money of what you can make that. But that's what they keep saying. They're all there and so. Carol Baskin's is getting. I wonder if she saved them from bad places. You know how to live anywhere else. They don't but what she. I think her argument is this Dan and Randy. I think her argument is I'm rescuing these animals and then I don't have tens of thousands of dollars to feed these animals. I don't have the money it takes to build up the habitat that we're in. Give them what they need. Give them the amount of food that they need. The Guy said ten thousand dollars a month to feed these exotic says he doesn't really thousand ten thousand tiger. Well no you don't feed tigers. They start to get hungry and they start to go crazy for sure. So so so. This woman in my opinion is trying to raise the money to take care of these tigers and to take care of these animals and give them what they need to have. Here's my life. Don't do shows like for this example. Create some sort of trolley trans system that surrounded by a fence or whatever that has bridges so they animals can cross over. And you say hey so. We provide four tours day. We're going to go out just so you know. We don't control these animals. They live in this habitat. So you might see one. You might not. That's right there's no guarantee it's almost like watching you. Don't it's a crap. Shoot you three hundred dollars to go well watching you might have one of the greatest experiences your life or they might just be underwater. Which I've I've seen a bunch of Wales and it is amazing. Yeah but that's right. You know kind of the magic. I don't see any. Oh my God we saw. We saw a bunch just like in a cage. Even when you're helping I still problematic for me. I guess she is taking these animals from people who otherwise wish that I could see from their perspective that they would say Carol Baskin Be Robin we all had to payroll baskin be had to bring a carry on to get to. That job was more in the Robin. Okay so we can ask them robin me wear. Let me ask you first of all. Who's your favorite character? So far woman with half an arm is seems that it's no one's business by the way a woman who maybe today but they are she they They were like Oh this is from earlier like it has nothing to do with even working on this and I and I've never had half an arm so I don't know how sure I don't know how difficult and I also know that they're out working with and maybe just maybe she just got interviewed at that point right but that was the dirtiest dump. I've ever seen in my area. It was the dirtiest stomp I've ever seen. I think my favorite might be Eric Kirk Ham. That varies the Billy Bob Bert. Sugar is no birch. Sugar J good a picture. Bert shook up saying that during his famous boxing writer he was reported way. Dora he would only or always yes that bridge that not look like Birch sugar look like the joker with his makeup off in that photo. You showed me yeah. That's a very good call anyway so I'm also Carol's husband so also by the way right. Now we're trying to make sense of this and for those of you who have watched the entire series. You're probably like you guys are getting all this shit wrong which I love so this is where we're at right now. This is a snapshot of people. Years are way off like well. We know we know exactly what you knew to watch. We're allowed to be way. I love how possibly way off we are and I also think of it for sure. You got them up. I figure and you'll know I keep saying Bert sugar that we're way off. I love the way off and I can't wait to get a picture out of focus. Yeah that is similar making snap judgments about and saying what will as we start to see little pieces of. Its start to come in focus. So so that's doing us and I want everyone who listens to this and who listen to the fetal whatnot. We will post up when we're going to watch the second episode. Maybe Tuesday or Thursday. We're GONNA maybe Tuesday the thirty first to say that thirty first last day of March we'll watch or Thursday the second the dumb people town pages and pages dump people town Instagram page I`ts DPT PODCAST ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK. Page dumb people town on instagram. And we've said it before. This is one part cheap seats one part of town. We're going to try and get the sound a little bit better all parts Tiger King. I guess you guys cooking quote. Wrap it up seriously. Who's my favorite guy? Who's my favorite or. Is there any big turns? You think anything did connections. Baskin's someone not lived through the end of this carol like it's been documented in real time. Herald Baskin's ace husband may be my favorite character. Oud Okay Yeah. He's pretty favorite character. I mean there's no bounce to my hatred for the tiger king like I hate him so much and so. My question is will this series. Make me love him. I don't think so. I don't think so much and we'll have to check in every episode. Where's where's my hate on the back drummers hate right now but I would say I don't think it ever comes back to love. No I like Carol Baskin's I like. I like her wardrobe and I like her a practice. Blouses your boss man and I want to also know. How much does this Documentarian Insert himself because he's already on campus Michael Cohen. He's on camera sub. So this guy's trying to insert into this thing but that python that they pulled out that might be my favorite character other way eating three dogs. Carol Baskin's could have been in that python. Yeah we don't we don't know that's a good to us that could have been a baskin's python Okay great so that's our first RAPA for this please. No spoilers in any of our feeds. We want to watch it with you guys inexperience as we go And I will say this in my brother-in-law David Zucker. Who's fantastic wonderful duties a doctor? He's on call. He's frontline frontline doing hard work but he said it was particularly slow time. He had already watched the tiger king but he said it was super fund to go back and watch it with a lawsuit. Because you're watching US. Experience it so it's fun to do it if you've never seen so experience it with us and it's really funded if you're already ahead of us go back and watch it with us. Because that's what's so fun. Thank you guys so much for letting us do this type of stuff with you. That was like this is like a dumb people town Docu series than we get to sort of go through with you We love doing it. Keep checking for updates and where we're going to do the next episode and Oh Shit we'll be back to work in. Dum Dum Dum Dum. Dum Dum around town starving on a podcast network.

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Tiger King and What's Making Us Happy

Pop Culture Happy Hour

19:01 min | 4 months ago

Tiger King and What's Making Us Happy

"Almost three weeks ago as isolation at home tightened its grip on many of us net. Flix released the documentary series Tiger King. It seemed to capture a binge ready audience at just the right moment and it's been burning up social media channels ever since. Tiger King tells the story of a man who calls himself Joe Exotic who bred and exhibited big cats and other animals. In a sketchy private zoo Joe is now in prison. Convicted of hiring someone to kill an activist named Carol Basket. She had tried to shut down his business and became his nemesis. I'm Steven Thomson. And I'm Linda Holmes. We're talking about the NETFLIX phenomenon. Tiger King Today on pop culture happy hour from NPR. So don't go away. This message comes from NPR ON SARAH CAPITAL. One with capital one. A new savings account earns five times the national average. That's five times more savings toward that overdue home edition or maybe even an addition on that edition capital. One is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? Na member FDIC welcome back you just met NPR Music Stephen Thompson. Also with us from his bunker out in Virginia is Glen Weldon of the NPR Arts Desk. Glan- cool cats and kittens. How you cool cats and kittens so just to set this up a little bit more. There's actually been some coverage of this story prior to this. There's a podcast out of wonderful call. Joe Exotic Tiger King. There is also a very thorough article in the daily beast. There's a thorough article in vulture. If you want to seek those out I think you'll get a slightly kind of deeper dive. Then you surprisingly enough get from this long documentary series. You spend a lot of time in the series meeting various people who are associated with this Joe Exotic Dude not only Carol Baskin but also her now husbands the people who work or worked with Joe at the zoo which is called the GW zoo so to kind of try to find a way into this. I'm going to go to Glen. I I a sense that this is probably not a Glenn Welton special. I'm going to be a stick in the mud. Here I'm going to be a humorless PRIG WITH. Gee I don't get this thing I don't understand why it's so popular now because at a time when my faith in humanity is at its lowest ebb. This came in and sucked it dry. I think I was not prepared for it right. The memes and the tweets are so gleeful about this thing led me to believe that this would be duck dynasty with tigers now granted. I never watched duck dynasty because it belonged to that subset of reality programming which is get a Lotta US Weirdos and that's just not me like if Crashes Housewives Jersey shore I can never. I don't think I have the emotional distance. I just end up getting depressed so I was depressed. Add to that the belligerence of Joe Exotic. Turn me off the animal cruelty and also not for nothing. I don't understand these people. Keep everybody on. The show keeps making the same assertion over and over again. Which is everybody wants to hit a baby tiger. What no no that is another thing. I never found Joe Exotic interesting or compelling and I'll shut up now but I'll just close by saying justice for Carol Baskin. This show does her so dirty. Let's talk about that. Yeah we'll talk about that in a second. Stephen I want to go to you. It didn't quite have the confidence that I did with Glenn that you would hate but but what what did you think of it. Most tends not to be stuck quite so squarely in the mud hens. I shared some of Glen's misgivings. I wasn't quite as repulsed by the actual show itself. I think as a piece of entertainment I found it. Engrossing sped through five and a half hours pretty quickly when you consider how repellent so many people on this show are. I think where the show falls down for me as a as a viewing experience is I tend to like to find somebody to latch onto somebody to root for somebody to feel for and other than Safire who worked at Joe Exotics Zoo. I didn't really find anybody particularly as a human being and so it really does wind up being five and a half hours of Glenn said. Get a load of these. Weirdoes actually wrote. Get a load of these weirdoes in my notes before. So I think the biggest issue for me probably is in presenting repellent behavior as quirk. I found that very frustrating over time but I also understand how this show slid off the rails a little bit as a piece of storytelling. These people are Weirdos at one point kind of late in the series. We meet a character and he's talking and he's like well you know. Of course I was already in trouble because of my black market Lemur and just like Oh okay. I'd like to actually know a little bit more about the black market. Lemur and and you know so. I think it's very easy for a show like this. To kind of follow these wackadoo story lines that that keep popping up and then you kind of lose sight of this larger story about animal cruelty and the cult like atmosphere at these zoos. I mean there's an enormous amount to unpack. They're just covering a lot of people you don't really actually want to spend time with. Yeah if any of us were going to sort of appreciate this as some feet of wacky television making. I would probably be the most likely candidate. I have watched a lot of true crime documentaries. I've listened to a lot of true crime podcasts for me. I just didn't think it was made very well. I didn't think it was structured. Very well I don't think the people who made it understand how to build a series of episodes. I think it kind of is a bunch of stuff most together. I story like this. You have to have kind of a coherent direction. But then each episode also has to have a internal structure to it. I don't think it's exceeded that level and I think one of the reasons why it's not successful is that it is for me bending over backwards to redraw the story as something other than what it is because if you read for example the daily beast piece or you read the New York magazine piece the story they are telling and obviously my knowledge of this is only as good as the reporting but the story that they are telling is essentially that Carol Baskin was trying to get the GW. Zoo closed down. She went to great lengths to stop him from doing. These cub petting things where he would take tiger cubs out and people would pay to pet them in a picture taken with them and then eventually he got very angry and upset and tried to have her killed. That's the story that they are telling those pieces. The story in the Netflix series is kind of it has a real gendered itchiness to it in terms of like woman as buzzkill and woman as black widow. There's a a weird kind of completely evidence. Free assertion made that she had some involvement in the disappearance of her first husband. I don't think there's a shred of evidence that's presented to support that but they spend a whole episode on it and it feels like an effort to rebalance this story so I think the reason. It doesn't work narrative is that it's not built on anything so. I think the fact that I didn't find it persuasive and the fact that I didn't find it well made are are linked for a Lotta people. Joe Exotic has emerged as some kind of appealingly quirky character. I don't find him that way at all. I think that's how he wants to be perceived. I find him to be rather loathsome because of the animal cruelty things that he essentially admits to in terms of how he handled the Tigers that he had. There are a lot of allegations that he was abusive to the staff that worked at this Gw Zoo. I just didn't buy into this kind of image of him as a wacky entertaining figure. I said earlier that I didn't understand why it was happening. Now accept the fact that we're all home and we have to watch something. I do have a theory. I feeling that the central dynamic of this show is a very familiar one and so it might be comforting to some people you know. It's competent middle aged blonde woman. Who GETS DINGED? For not expressing emotion in the way society deems she should versus a highly emotional bellicose self-aggrandizing man with weird hair right. I mean we've seen this before we've lived through this and his loathing Carol. Baskin is not built. It's not shaped. It is just asserted over and over again. It doesn't go anywhere. So what we ended up doing is watching him. Fire off theory after theory. And he eats up all that airtime so that his theories get added. This kind of emotional weight that they probably shouldn't have it's frustrating ultimately frustrating. Yeah the presentation of him as a quirky oddball. I mean I totally understand. They have access to these weird music videos that he did. That are so weird so eccentric. I understand leaning on that as A. Wow get a load of this Weirdo. But at the same time it does wind up kind of casting him as a folk hero and and this show does put its thumb on the scale in some really frustrating ways setting aside. The kind of copy style reenactments that this show occasionally does the tendency to have an interview where the person says what they're there to say and then the camera holds on their kind of unblinking face for like an extra beat or two when they do that. It tends to be presented as like. There's something weird or off or staged about or dishonest about what this person has just said. And that may or may not be true. When you're doing interviews like this part of your process. Is You hold for a second after you do that interview. This is a very subtle thing but felt very dishonest. Every time they did it. You're interviewing Carol Baskin. She says something. And then you're almost frozen on her blank expression it's she's doing that for the benefit of the filmmakers earned on her to make her look like more of a Weirdo. That kind of thing. I really really frustrating one thing. Just from a filmmaking perspective that I think this desperately needed was someone who seems like a reliable narrator they certainly treat Carol Baskin as an unreliable narrator. Joe Exotic is presented very much as an unreliable narrator just about. Everyone is and very often in a story like this. You'll get a journalist and investigator and attorney somebody who gives you a sense of what's the center of this like. What is the truthful center of this story and that character although it can seem kind of talking heady and all that stuff that character can help? Keep you grounded within the story so the and it's one of the things that helps assemble things with some kind of through line so that you don't feel like you're just wandering from incident to incident. I share with Glenn Steven the sense that I'm very uncomfortable with some of the ghetto to these weirdoes. Kind of stuff that goes on it's heavily classed in a way that I think is pointing and Giggling at Joe. Exotic feels class because he is somebody who for much of his life. According to his own telling of his story was very poor. But there's also something very classed in the way that they try to present Carol Baskin as a culturally elite like. Maybe she's more snobby and if you read about her story her story is is not that really but I think they're trying to set up a class conflict between these two people. That doesn't really feel like it's genuine so I think the only places where the story is engaging with class. It's doing so in a way that doesn't feel honest to me. I felt the same way about the fact that Joe is gay and has had a series of husband's a couple of them at the same time most of them much younger than he is According to some accounts young men who were vulnerable when he met them but the only places they really engage with that it feels like the fact that he's gay is being used to make him sympathetic if that makes sense absolutely does. It's an attempt to make them sympathetic. And there's also a a weird delight that the show takes in in his squareness that I don't think is earned. It seems to me as if the show feels like it has discovered the concept of trade. You know straight guys doing gay stuff for goods and or services and it didn't discover it. It's been around for a long time. And also it gets a lot of the core stuff wrong at Miss Genders SAF and you know. It doesn't even raise the issue of gender fluidity at all it's Again. The word of the day is frustrating. I just don't think it's well made and I think it it invites you to kind of scold it for being you know salacious and all that stuff. I just don't think it's very good filmmaking. I think there's clearly something compulsively watchable about this show. It's enormously popular like I said at the top. I blazed through five hours really quickly digestible show. But I think that formless snus is part of the issue like I. I think that the attention of the filmmakers seemed to wander in the way that the attention of an audience member might wonder like where. You're just kind of seeing this Weirdo and what. Her husband disappeared. What what's that? And then the stories kind of like okay. Well here's an episode. Where her husband disappears but it's sort of following instead of leading if that makes it does make sense. Yeah I was Kinda surprised because I'm often up for a kind of strange crazy crime story and this just did nothing for me and I have the benefit of coming at. This is something that by the time I watched it was already kind of a phenomenon and I think when that happens you have a different reaction to it. You're judging it against whether you understand why it's a phenomenon rather than. Is there any reason anyone would find this interesting? Which is what I think. A lot of the initial reactions were so not shocked by anybody who found it interesting. It just didn't hit for me. It did not do anything for me but I am curious to hear from those of you who have seen it. Tell us what you thought it find us on facebook at FACEBOOK DOT COM slash P. H. Or tweet US at PCH. But we go. We wanted to bring you a little something extra. We are not able to book our guests the normal way right now so. We asked our very beloved fourth chairs to send us a little bit of tape of. What's making them happy this week? Because we know that you guys can always use some extra happy and we can use some extra happy so hopefully on Wednesdays. We'll be bringing you some extra recommendations and our first one fittingly enough comes from our dear cat chow out. Take it away cat. What's making me happy these days is the novel such a fun age by Kylie read. It is so good. It is so smart in searing and funny and thoughtful and it tackles so many different themes in a way that. I just haven't read in a novel and a longtime basically the premise is. There's a twenty something young woman living in Philadelphia. She's black her name is Amira and she's a babysitter for this wealthy white family and at the very beginning of the book. This doesn't give anything really away. An incident happens at a grocery store where someone accuses her of trying to steal or kidnap this child because they don't believe that you know she is there caretaker and this incident is the crux of the story in that it creates a lot of dynamics that propel the story forward at the same time it reveal so much about race and class and just you know quote unquote good white people and Kylie read still manages to give so many of her characters joy and make them so real and so dynamic in a way that I think is really difficult to pull off so I highly recommend this book it right into so many of my days. So that's what's making me happy. Hi this is. Lubi correspondent for the arts does carrot NPR. And I am someone with a dark side. I am an unreconstructed unapologetic horror movie Fan. So what's making me happy? This week is a platform. It's a Spanish horror film on Netflix. And it's one of those socially conscious horror movies. This one is obsessed with class. Inequality is absolutely bonkers. People are imprisoned in this weird tower. That's like a jail but a hundreds of floors with the gourmet kitchen on top where they prepare sumptuous banquets and the two laid out on a platform. That slowly descends from Florida floor so the prisoners on the highest floors are literally the top of the food chain. And as the platform descends. Who's fewer and fewer scraps of food left on the platform so people on the lowest floors are at their worst trying to survive. The platform is gorgeous tactics. Great and it's really a positive movie about the power of collective action. People online have been arguing endlessly about it. Especially it's wonderfully mysterious ending and I just wanted to say that. I love any movie that contains the Super Serious line law panel quota ehlmann. The message is the panna cotta alright. So cat recommended the book such a fun age by Kylie read Neta recommended the platform now streaming on Netflix. Which by the way Glenn has also recommended on this show and that brings us to the end of our show. Thanks to both of you guys for being here as always and of course thank you for listening to Pop Culture. Happy hour from NPR. If you have a second subscribe to our newsletters. Npr Dot Org Slash pop culture newsletter. We'll see you all right back here on Friday right now. Every household in the country is being asked to fill out. The census is the form that helps us determine how voting districts are redrawn where to build public schools and hospitals how to spend Federal Money. So why are some people are afraid to fill it out? We're getting into all that this week on. Npr's which podcasts.

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11 Trivia Questions on Tiger King

Trivia With Budds

10:16 min | 3 months ago

11 Trivia Questions on Tiger King

"It's the perfect mix of dirt Jerry Springer liberace and even Steve Irwin. 'cause I've got eleven questions on the hit Docu series tiger king. This is trivia would buds be and welcome to another episode of the Trivia out with buds. Podcast I'm your host Ryan Buds. Thank you guys so much for checking out my show now in its eight hundred and something episode thank you for subscribing so you never miss an episode every single day and thanks for watching all the videos have been posting on Youtube lately. Been taken those to our livestream shows on facebook and uploading them to Youtube for people to watch. I have not been posting daily episodes of the podcast on Youtube. I'm going to try and find a better way to capture them at home. I have a lot of different stuff. Set up for the LIVESTREAM US to record video for the podcast show. I am working on a new solution for that. So if you missed the daily episodes on Youtube they will be coming back in a shorter more easily sharable form so it'll just probably be the questions and answers and the question of the day. But that's what I think. Youtube for the short form video and some Trivia for you guys to answer. I'm also trying to figure out a way for the questions to pop up on the screen like they do on my livestream so be on the lookout for that. We've got some great episodes coming up this week. Over the next few days you will listen to episodes. Tv title. Mashups a ladder around and what's a theme round all from my friend. Luke McKay in Australia. Luke sent me a bunch of great rounds six months ago and finally getting around to recording them. So if you like Luke McKay Trivia and in the past you will love those episodes coming up over the next three days. We're going to jump into eleven questions on Tiger King. I will warn you. I've not seen the show yet. But these questions were written for me by listener and Pal Mike. Maximum Chuck he says mixed together. Joe Dirt Jerry Springer Liberace even a little Steve Irwin for those of us. Who REFUSED TO WATCH BURNING DUMPSTER? Fire I've thrown in alternate clues to help you get these answers so even if you haven't seen tiger king you may have a chance where to jump into those eleven questions for Mike Right now. Here we go all right guys Tiger King Trivia. Have you seen it on net flicks? I hope you have and I hope you are ready for some fun question number one. What are the initials on the gates of the Tiger Kings Zoo? They are also the first two initials of the forty third. Us President hears that question again number. One what are the initials on the gate of the Tiger Kings Zoo? They are also the first two initials of the forty third. Us President Number one question number two joe exotic once chief of police for the town of East Vail in what state I hear down there. The stars at night are burning bright number. Two Joe Exotic was once chief of police for the town of East Vail in what state I hear down there. The stars at night are burning. Bright number two question number three. What is the first name of Carol? Baskin's dead husband. He shared a first name with the actor that played Barney fife number three. What is the first name of Carol? Baskin's dead husband. He shared a name with the actor. Who Played Barney fife number three question number four? Who's the owner of the Institute of greatly endangered rare species that is ti? Ge are s? That is also a nickname for someone with an MD degree number. Four is the owner of the Institute of greatly endangered and rare species poor tigers as an acronym this is also a nickname for someone with an MD degree number. Four question number five. How many thousands? Joe Exotic allegedly pay Allen Glover to kill Carol Baskin? This was also the number of migos in the Steve. Martin Martin Short movie number. Five hundred thousand. Did Joe Exotic allegedly pay Allen Glover to kill Carol Basket Number Five Question Number? Six in two thousand sixteen. In what state did Jill exotic run for governor in this state? The waving wheat Shurmur smells sweet number. Six and two thousand sixteen. And what state did JOE EXOTIC RUN FOR GOVERNOR IN THIS STATE? The waving weep shirt smells sweet and number seven. What color shirts did everyone wear at Joe? Exotics wedding French hair was accidentally died. The same color in Greece Frenchies Frenchies hair number seven. What color shirts did everyone? Where at Joe Exotics Wedding Frenchies hair was accidentally died the same color in Greece and question number eight speaking of weddings? How many husbands has JOE EXOTIC had? It's the same number of scores mentioned in the Gettysburg address. Number eight speaking of weddings. How many husbands has joe exotic had number eight three questions left in this crazy? Tiger Tiger King Quiz. Here's number nine where does Joe Carroll Baskin's husband is buried? It's a pretty crappy place to get buried number nine. Where does Joe Think Carol? Baskin's husband is buried? It's pretty crappy place to get berry number nine and question number ten carol. Basque described herself as the what of cats. She would need to move to Calcutta India if this was true number. Ten Carol Baskin describes herself as the what of cats number ten and a bonus question for two points. Joe Exotic blew up two things to make sure Carol Baskin didn't get them one was his watch. What was the other? Maybe it was stuffed with money. Is Your Hint from Mike Question. Eleven more time for two points. Joe Exotic blew up two things to make sure Carol Baskin didn't get them was his watch. What was the other? Maybe it was staffed with me. Those are all your questions on tiger king and now I really got to catch up watching this crazy show so I know what the Hell's going on but I've seen a lot of this in mean form and I bet you have to. We're going to jump into the answers to tiger king questions in just a second. We are back with answers. Tiger King Trivia. Eleven questions for Mike. Maximum Chuck thank you so much Mike for the amazing quizzes you right. Mike has a whole Google drive folder that he shared with me. That has I would say probably over fifty quizzes at least in there that I am still yet to record so thank you Mike. Do all that work and coming up with some fun content for the show which I will be dipping into more and more. This quarantine goes on here. The answer is number one. What are the initials on the gate to the Tiger Kings Zoo? They are also the first two initials of the forty third. Us President that would be GW. Like George W Bush Number One GW number two. Joe Exotic was once chief of police in the town of East Vail and what state I hear down there. The stars at night burning bright that will be Texas number two JOE EXOTIC chief of police for the town of East Texas number three. What is the first name of Carol? Baskin's dead husband. He shared a first name with the actor. That played Barney. Fife that is Don Don knotts number. Three done number four. Who is the owner of the Institute for greatly endangered and rare species or tigers? This is also a nickname for somebody with an MD degree. Doc antle last name. Antle I named Doc Doc. Ample number four number five hundred thousands did JOE exotic allegedly pay Allen Glover to kill Carol Baskin. This was also the number of Amigos in three goes. It was three thousand three thousand dollars not a huge bounty to kill someone number. Six in two thousand sixteen in. What state did JOE EXOTIC RUN FOR GOVERNOR IN THIS STATE? The waving your smells sweet. That is Oklahoma number six Oklahoma number seven. What color shirts did everyone? Where IT JOE EXOTICS WEDDING? Frenchies hair was accidentally died the same color in Greece. That is pink Pinky Await maybe that's what I'm thinking. It is French. French is hair and Pinkie Tusk darrow. That's what I was thinking. Which is his Pinky garrels. Not even in Greece. Isn't it from happy? Days number? Eight speaking of weddings. How many husbands is job exotic? It's the same number of scores mentioned in the Gettysburg address. Four four score and seven years ago number nine. Where does Joe Think Carol? Baskin's husband is buried two pretty crappy place to get buried a septic tank. That is his theory. That old Mr Baskin's is in a septic tank and number ten. Carol Basket describes herself as the Mother Teresa of cats number ten the Mother Teresa of cats and your bonus for two points. Joe Exotic blew up two things to make sure Carol didn't get them. One was watched. Maybe stuff with his mattress two points. You got his mattress and there you have it. I hope you had an explosively. Good time like that last question answering these tiger king questions for Mike. Maximum Chuck again for writing those questions. Bunch of fun for someone like me who has not seen it yet and probably a ton more fun for somebody who has seen the show. We have one more question for. It's called the question of the day and that question is what is Dr Cox. Cox's first name on scrubs. Your answer at Ryan Buds are email Ryan buds gmail.com to be eligible for a prize yesterday questioned. That answer was three seasons for the original Star Trek and your Trivia team. Name of the day is father son and the Holy Ghost rider father son and the Holy Ghost rider. Thank you so much for listening to the show. Thanks for telling a friend about the show. And we'll see you tomorrow for more trivia with buds cheers on

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Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness (2020)

Pop Culturing

56:18 min | 4 months ago

Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness (2020)

"Jail all the goods. L. A. Matt tagger little little little up. Sweetie Lamar run the Joe. Let him run the jungle or roll a little little contradictory Joe or the small zoos. All right my name's Todd Adams. Welcome back to the other. Part of pop culturing. Wow I don't even know where to begin. Why do we decide to do tiger king sweetheart well because we watched it because we were a little speechless after several episodes every episode and also because we noticed that everybody being home enduring pandemic Twenty twenty is watching Tiger King for some reason I wanted. I wanted to talk about. Maybe why not only are we gonNA talk about the show but why we're so interested in this? I have some thoughts. Good good good so bring those up okay. Good way through. This is how we're GONNA structure. Okay let's hear were. I'm going to say somebody's name. Okay you give me one word description and then we're going to go through each person with a little more depth one word tie. That's impossible you know me. I don't speak one word best. Okay Joe Exotic Sad. Carol Basket. Well I got to put a little. She feels empowered. I'm not saying. She is empowered. Which I think she's empowered. Okay so empowered. Would that be your word? I guess but I wanted to put that disclaimer at the beginning okay. I can't pronounce this one. But I'll do my best bug. Yvonne Yeah Baga von and Ller I can. It's his name's cutoff. What is this guy? He's the guy with the other zoo. Opole is a pull his name right now. And annely A. N. T. Ellie Boban animal. Whatever you know guy the guy with the the fact that he calls himself a bag on which he's a which he thinks he's like guru for all the people yes was his word he's a God. What would I say about him? he he had not narcissist. What's the word I'm looking for? He believes himself to be his own rule of maker. Like he's he doesn't think things apply to him. Yes he's he's doing. He knows what he's doing narcissistic would not be an appropriate word. Because it's like I'm narcissistic but don't put me in the same categories this guy. Oh you're not narcissistic I have. We all have moments of nurses sure but a true narcissist and. I don't know what that is. Yeah that's like a clinical description but anyway he just he he thinks he's like narcissism is to comment a word to describe this guy. Well I mean he. He has many wives. He thinks that's fine. He doesn't treat his employees well. Or at least the and we'll get into. This show tells us that there are. He's a again. Allegedly he is saying one thing and then he is killing tigers in the. I mean he's like a complete. What's the word I don't know he's contradictory? He's a for the record. Everything is allegedly to be safe on this show because we don't know we watch the show. That's all we do. We're who are going to talk about. Talk about an almost like their fictional characters. Just so we don't have to say allegedly every time okay Howard basket you know. He's a trip. That's all I have to say about him and okay. He loves his wife. John Finley. Who is shirtless? John was interesting to me. I felt like I had met John before somewhere. In a past life John was John was lonely which is why he married Joe in the first place because his name is Joe Exotic because we come to find out the John's like no. I'm not gay. Okay it's so interesting Rick Kirkum. Who's the the documentary? The beginning tend to be he was. Kinda voice throughout the first five or six episodes. I almost want to be like euro oblivious. Even though I know Pe- you know when you're starting that documentary you WanNa be like. He's the guy in control. He knows what's going on but I also think he was careless. I also think his choice A lot of choices were really careless and he ended up losing all of his material. And that's how do you want me to die don't but he So the next guy. We talked about the cinematographer documentarian who smokes the cigarette and drinks the coffee with the blackout and trip to just call them every time you say any of their names. I'll say they're a trip this trip. There is a lot of trips here. I'm he- that Rick Guy got into trouble. He's to be an inside edition right and he got into trouble. That there's a whole documentary. Made about him right because he got involved with drugs and the allude to his history. A little bit. Yeah but weirdly. He was the guy that was making the most sense initially. But that's what I mean. I don't remember what episode it was. Where he kinda lost everything. You can't add on no. There's many different depending on which episode your on you see these people in. Different Lights Sweetie. What about Jeff Low? While Jeff Low seems to be the IT feels like at the end the villain. Yeah right I would say conniving. That would be my word thing right word. A few others Joshua dial he is the campaign man. Oh my God. He's a trip because the okay. We laughed about this the reason he's a trip because he looks normal. He talks normal but he does abnormal things. Like how can you think that being a campaign manager of Joe Exotic is a good idea? Well this is how he starts explaining. He said Joe came to me to be his campaign manager at the time I was working at Walmart selling guns and selling bullets and when he said be my campaign manager. I realized that was my alternate goal. That's what I wanted to do and I'm like wait. Yeah Backtrack Yeah how? How did you know that? Why was that your ultimate goal and to your point todd like he unfortunately. I think like a lot of not a lot but some campaign managers. Do he focused on the wind rather than what he was doing. The process because you know in the in the gubernatorial race Joe Exotic came in third. He did which is a problem. So many characters in this James Garretson. He is kind of the round faced guy. Who was the informant okay? I feel like he's a cartoon cartoon came and and at the end. How about that whole little that part where? He's on the jet ski and they're playing. I have tiger woods. What's happening and he's villain too. Because it's almost like the documentarian were were so used to seeing these people who are not an abnormal that they started like why what what's with the jet skiing. The Tiger thing like I feel like they like how about we just put him on a Jetski and play the rocky saw. How about now? I think instead of saying they got used to these people who are abnormal. They got used to this world. Yes and they like. I don't know much about. I don't know if you looked up stuff about the people who made this movie. I don't know much about them. Except the fact that this movie was made only because they were originally doing a whole study of people who keep and sell snakes yeah and then in that process they realized people also keeping Sell Tigers. So this was a total roundabout way and how to get here. I mean it's like the universe says I got an idea and I'm GonNa pull in all these people together and somehow connect and the fact that they have so much footage I know they have footage of everything. I mentioned to you the other night that this is a wonder podcast. So for those of you who listen to podcasts. Wandry also did you know dirty John and I think wondering did Dr Death and a lot of these major storytelling podcasts. And they did this and I don't know how you and I missed it. We're like podcast people but so they you know a lot of people are like we've already heard a lot of these interviews and stuff. We know this story but the fact that they have so much footage but todd at the beginning I think in the first one Joe Exotic says I told my staff to always keep the camera's running. He sure did and they did all the time through good and bad even when Cologne was put on his shoes to Ellen Glover. My my word is scary. He was the Hitman. The suppose it hit me. Oh Yeah Yeah Allen Glover with the tier under his I yeah he was upon. He was a piece of the puzzle and I don't think he understood his role. Yeah that's my take What about Dylan passage? See I I have a little soft spot for Dylan Dylan Dylan is Joe's current husband. The younger kid right and I think if I remember correctly from the last episode we saw when Joe Realized and again who knows if this is done in the right order but when Joe realized that he was going going to stay in prison he was on the phone with Dylan and Dylan said something to the effect of. I can't do this anymore now. I don't know if that was taken out of context or if that's really the truth I don't know where Dylan is now. But he was just like a young kid innocent and looking to anybody exactly. He needed a lot of these men are. Who are you going to talk about the other Guy Travis? He's he's on here so Joe's other so at some point Joe was trying to emulate his Who He considered his mentor. The I keep wanting to call them the Bagua on but that's not his name. What's his name? We can call his last. Name's Antle okay. The antle he wants to his mentor. He wants to be like him. Because antle had many wives and JOE'S GAY. He wanted to have several husbands so at one point he is married to Travis and to Joe and only Joe wanted that. I don't think so either. I think joe is kind of like okay. No John John didn't want it only wanted at Jonah John One. I said that wrong. So Joe was like. I'm going to marry John as you had to. Guy John Shirtless Chatou Guy. And he's like I don't He was kind of like okay but we come to find out that both John and Travis were again sexuality they could have been bisexual they could have impact sexual really doesn't matter. It looks as if they fell in love with Joe and that be because they were searching for a family or if it be who knows John Rinky is the guy that had no legs below his knees interesting character and at the end of like one of the more solid guys in the whole thing I thought so he and the other guy with the long hair looked like he was in hairband. Yeah that's Eric Cowie. They cared about that Zil and they probably got paid and they did. They showed up for work and they did their thing hundred bucks a week. And what are the odds of job not having legs tiger documentary and him losing them to Zip lining accident? I mean you can't you can't write that they can't write this and you know who are favorite was after the first two episodes was SAF We see yeah see Saffy. That's the woman who got her arm off. It'll be in like she's bad ass man like she seems the most normal the whole bunch after the tiger bit her arm and she was in the hospital that day they said to her. You can keep your hand in the lower part of your arm if you're willing to go through all the physical therapy and you'll be in hospital for a while or we can cut it off. She said cut it off. The Guy got two of them know what's one less and she wanted to go back because she had in her head. Joe Telling her that these are the kind of things that are gonNA shut us down and so she wanted to prove a point. Oh Saf okay. So we're going to start with the star of the series which is obviously Joe Exotic. Okay and here is just a few just one little twenty second clip from him. Is that him singing. I have my faucheux albums that I did in my first album. I saw tiger and this is my second album I saw. What are the odds of that being his voice? Well I think it is always nice. Isn't according to this source of whatever where it was found. He was pretty much a karaoke guy. Like Sankt but who sang at then. I don't know maybe auto tuned himself. I think somebody else. What are the odds of him? Having that voice why did he leave out the letter a? What do you mean why does he say I saw tiger? Why does he say I saw a tiger? I saw tiger. He just said the same thing twice. She said I saw Tiger No. I saw a tiger. I don't hear him say let's go back to the replay You go back even further a there's an ad Other Tiger saw man. There's no other man tiger saw man. Oh I was listening to it. I thought he left out. The letter drove me crazy. I'm like why are you saying I saw tiger? So five-year-old yeah the videos are outstanding. They're they're incredibly Take Todd out a trance. We'd be watching we go. What's happening is there a video for everything that's happening right now Okay so we talked a little bit about the polygamy that is evidenced in this which I think is and we're not go down the route quite yet. Okay but yeah Joe. Wanted to be like antle. Blondie blondie well. There's a Lotta Blonde. I guess that's true. The Guy who has the place in the other guy who writes elephants in his neighborhood my God you could take any of these people and make a seven part documentary about one of the many reasons we watch it so yeah. We don't think that the one the first husband was he wasn't totally gay. He was probably somewhere that sedate. -Ment wasn't totally gay. That doesn't exist anymore now. We have the pen now. We have the understanding that there is a spectrum and he may have fallen in love with Joe but what we come to find out or at least what people start saying in the show is. He didn't believe himself to be gay until he met Joe and it sounds like he was hooking up with the receptionist and that he got her pregnant so but again. I don't think it's not about. It's not about saying anything. Negative about his sexuality. Just think that there may have been some other things going there he made you know this is the thing I'm like. I get all worked up when I talk about these things. I think all of these people just wanted family yes and so regardless of how we define this love if it'd be sexual in nature or if it defines who they are it's it doesn't matter they wanted family like one of the most important things about this show as far as understanding. Joe Exotic is what he used to do is he would go to places like a bus station and find people who are transient who just got not a prison or who were homeless and say to them. Do you want to home? Find people who didn't have something for themselves and offer them security safety. You got a Job. A what other people. And that's how a lot of got brought into his zoo whereas like when you look and I know we're going to go through Carol Baskin but when you look at Carol Baskin a lot of people who went and volunteered for her. They were looking big cat. Rescue came up as number one if ever. You're looking to work with tigers that you know in a google search so they volunteered their time because they felt like this is a place. I can give back and again. I don't know why you know we can't get into the head of why everybody they're volunteers. But very different than offering somebody a family and that kind of love and connection never had it. So that's zoo was not just about the Tigers. Play ten seconds from John Finley which was his first hug. Is I love yeah. Travis was gay travel ban every girl in the park now. Lead me for a man of worse for game on okay but let me for a woman. I can't compete with that. That was a travis about Oh traffic. That was about the younger younger. Got It but same thing. Is that some of the guys were like. I don't know if these guys and Joe is saying you leave me for a woman. I can't do much about that. Real quick about the woman who lost her arm. Okay on news myself about an hour ago. We had an incident where wanted employees stopped the arm through the cage tiger to her arm off. Okay we'll give you your money back or I can give you a rain check. How is that the first thing that you say after that like how you can't make that up and that's why I was? GonNa have you pause is like you and I during that scene I mean Okay Saf Scott. Her arm torn off. They're dealing with that and his first thing he has to do is run into the gift shop and figure out how to give people discount. Yes now I understand. You have to deal with the people who were there. When there's a crisis occurring I just don't know I don't know what appropriate things to say in that moment but I'm sure rain check is not the next thing that you come back tomorrow with. No arms will be torn. You think there's any social workers on the on the compound to build that help these people through the trauma of a coworker finding their arm. Just got mangled off. This is like another very serious point about this show. You know how todd and I were saying just saying two seconds ago is longtime ago that all these people were coming in for family. This also means that they're not trained in any way as far as taking care of wildlife as far as tigers overall as far as understanding nutrition caregiving. And so. Everybody running this zoo. Maybe they're learning on the fly and like I said two of the guys that worked there you kind of have A. You're like okay. They're doing the best they can with what they have but no they don't they don't know right. I mean they barely. They're just trying to survive so he answered your question. Do they have a social worker there? Oh also don't have a vet and or they don't have a lot of things over there so real quick about the woman who lost her. Okay how did this happen every day? This is me and tigers are built and own my are built to eat meat something that will sustain that and Walmart meet the wall the Walmart me the old Walmart meet that the employees would also get their dinner out yes because they end up cooking pizza that one day like oh well we'll just use the a walmart meet thrown the pizza. Lions are designed to eat meat. And I just. I'm shocked that this that this Wa- This is the only example of somebody getting hurt other than Joe getting pulled away by his foot because they thought that there was Cologne Cologne and then he takes that stick. I know inches. And how is that shot in the air? How is yeah? I thought he shot to. How is the animal not going to finish off Joe Exotic in that moment when he's getting hit with that stick I don't understand well I guess you would have to. You have to accept the fact that these animals are tamed to live in this environment and this is this is something that they didn't show and that I made assumptions and could be wrong. They'd probably been hit before and stuff. I mean I I know I got struck with something. There's no doubt there but they would have had to have had some kind of way just kind of like the way. Circuses do and everything you have to have some kind of way and I feel like if you run into a tiger in their natural habitat. I feel like if you try and put your arm out. Of course they're going to bite it but if you are raised in this kind of habitat maybe ninety eight percent of the time you won't because the way that these people belittled up to these tigers we'll talk about like we all a lot of his own dogs in dogs in babies like you know you always want to be careful and I know that there's plenty of parents out there that have a dog that so gentle with their infant and all day but I remember saying and hearing a bunch of other people say it's still a dog. Don't forget that this is a dog. And it's not a human being. That has a fully developed prefrontal CORTEX. It's not going to take a chop out of a finger mistaking it for a hotdog right. I just don't know how this didn't happen more often. And it's a good question and I'm sure it did not to the point of maybe we're an arm was severed but I'm sure these guys have some battle wounds with these animals to less things about Joe Exotic move on. How how is it possible to only have two lasts while we're gonNA talk about him? Throughout the fact that he ran for. President governor was hilarious. That was the that was where he turned away from the animals I did some research. And for president he There's one hundred eighteen million votes cast in nineteen in two thousand sixteen election And he got nine hundred sixty three votes well close to a thousand Oklahoma. He got six hundred sixty four votes. Now I don't know how many people voted in that election so from a percentage standpoint. It's much higher but he didn't he. He seemed to campaign a lot. Well getting much traction and he was campaigning to sell this soup. He also was passing condoms with his name and picture while came. He was using money from this Youtube. Or Yeah we found that out the hard way. It's just a it's just joe is a fascinating case. Study of human beings. Well he's like kind of a reality TV star running for President Yes Jeff do you want to say anything about Jeff Low? Well we're going to hear more about Jeff Low. I've been reading kind of follow up articles which are hard domes- right now in the entertainment world and Jeff Flow. I guess they're still doing a lot of investigation of him He has somewhat of a sordid past and it sounds like he made a lot of deals and that they were still investigating some of his choices. It looks like he opened to the zoo and a different place He and his wife Lauren. Their new baby and his hot nanny. Because you can't have a danny the under the last episode yet. There's lot of misogyny in this. Show not that shocking. Yeah I mean you know I was talking with my friend Jessica this morning about this show and it was interesting the way that they portrayed carol in comparison to the men like they were all super I'm trying to think. Oh I know it. We're just GONNA you. She was like they were all super eccentric. But the way that they handled carols eccentricities. It was it like there was kind of this. Like is in a way this coolness about these guys are shot and cut and edited little. Bit like you know. These things are really subtle. And unless you're looking for I mean and also I read an article this morning where they interviewed Carol because she's really upset about the way this this down because she's like was the first husband thing. She thought this documentary was about big cat rescue and how to make sure. Cats are treated appropriately in her sanctuary and it ended up being kind of salacious. You know overview of this whole world of big cat purchase. Send you know trading and we're GONNA get to Carolina so I wanna I WANNA do ten seconds or no maybe thirty seconds with DOC. Blondie antle okay. All right Doctor Anton he has four or five wives. Thought Oh fucking care. He have people that have joined our apprentice program over decades. These are apprentices. Come on generally as teenagers live on the preserve many of whom have stayed on four decades themselves. That's what we call them. Which means what Lord means Lord Audubon means Lord yes lived in these terrible or stalls basically like sliding doors with bars on a full of cockroaches do have lives and they do have families outside of Creator leading me down a road where people are just going to say you have to join a fucking call to be a tiger trade there you go so first of all. We were saying his name wrong. Antle Anto and they call them the Bhagwan which is means Lord. Yeah which is in. But he saying it's not a cult. Well talk about both sides of your mouth. The woman who was on the chair right from Iowa right. She seemed like a completely normal person yet. She spent all this time. We keep using the word normal which I'm going to question you about and I'm not saying she's I'm saying being compared to these other people. She used to work for him. Yeah and Shiite showed up there when she was eighteen or seventeen and he the way that that antle talks about this. He's like it's just a really normal process. We just pick up seventeen eighteen year old girls and I think she was forced to get a Breast implants because he wants them to look a certain way. And also if you're gonNA rise through the ranks it's best if you sleep with them but it's not a cult no so so that's doc antle said I pronounce. Ah Yes okay. All in all these things are going to kind of intertwined at least where we can't be done with no no. We can't Carol Basket Right. Oh Carol basket so I just say that all the time now. Quick Quick Clip from Carol or actually maybe this is her husband seeing you in spring time you could go and my number one goal in life is going to be to make. This won't happen and there's a picture of them on their wedding day. She's wearing a dress and he's in this kind of Caveman leopardskin thing. And he's got a thing around his neck and she's like it's a leash and she's holding elise what's going on with these people what is happening. They love cats. Do they dress up like they do to demonstrate their love for cats a lot of cat love and they had a cat wedding? A lot of close. A lot of colts has a Lotta cat close. Yeah she only wears clothes so when what else. She does a lot of flowers in her hair. She does so. Here's the thing about Carol. What I think I think this one thing. How did she ever fall asleep at night with Joe Exotic and all these people that have explicitly said that they want her dead lake? I sometimes if I had an argument with a CO WORKER. I would be I would. It'd be hard for me to fall asleep if I'm like feel like there's a disconnection from somebody to fear for my physical safety. I've never gone to bed in fear of my physical safety ever. I don't think well and again here's one of these other things that are really unsettling as a woman Is that her the fact that they would like on the the reality show that Joe was doing he would pretend to shoot her with a real gun and that all up so many of these men not just Joe Exotic would say that bitch deserves to be dead. Yeah I'M GONNA kill that bitch and that's that is terrifying total. And it's why this show made me wince and turn away a lot is because I felt uncomfortable with the way I felt while watching it is. You would be laughing one minute at a video. And then they bring you back and Joe would shoot a mannequin in the head and say that that fucking bitches like Carol and I would be like like what what's happening here like it. It took me to all of these like really uncomfortable places and I would sit and watch for the humor and then you and I would finish the show and feel kind of dirty as if we like went into the deep deaths to get a few like humorous pieces out of this yuckiness. I felt dirty before during and after the show. And it's really not I before everything even thinking about like even right now I feel dirty like just and it's very not typical of what you and I typically. There's a part of our whatever brain or psychology. That crash attracted to it so I I don't know what to say. Also say that we kind of just touched on this and we'll bring it back in but I am very interested sociologically interested. I don't mean personally interested in colts and I have been a big watcher in reader of anything regarding scientology for ten twenty years. The todd is a big like todd. Everybody you read under the banner of Heaven like the whole idea of that kind of cult like wild wild country if any of you saw that Going clear which is scientology the beacon documentary. I mean I watch these things or listen to them. Podcast wise so the cult phenomenon. I think is a thread that runs through this show. It's just it's so tier point. There's so much footage. There isn't scientology and lear remedy show to where it's very unsettling but you feel like you're on the right side of it. Does that make sense? If there is a right yeah the lever many thing. There's a there's good guys and bad guys. It feels like there is the way that it the way I used to interrupt. There's this it's a bunch of you know what I was an English class as a freshman protagonists and you have a antagonists point. These are all tagging. I know I know like I didn't even like the FBI lady that much and she was the one who was serving prosecutor federal prosecutor. There's no good guy. In this documentary. It was hard to root for people. Yes yeah yes and so. We're we're left kind of like grasping at air. Like how do I feel when this like the first episode was kind of like a like okay? Interesting to girls bailed after that they're like I don't think it's that great another one of our daughter's watched the second episode with us and we're like okay. That was pretty interesting. There was a little more still. I felt a little like I needed a shower but a little better and then as it went on it. Kinda got sad and sick totally where I was just like. What's happening like I would have started? That started with that sad and sickness. I probably wouldn't have continued. So maybe that was all designed. Yeah it's kind of like reading a book and feeling like you have to finish it because I think everybody feels that way. Which is why we feel compelled to talk about it so much because I think we're confused by our feelings a little bit more from Carol. Our mission is to ban the private possession that these magnificent animals. She wanted to shutdown zoo. And he wanted her on your first and you try and come into this facility. This is what you're going to be Greece. Another just shooting guns birthday next month and worshipping or two of these fangs. On one day I went out to open up the mailbox and it just exploded with snakes. How could I? I don't know how she functioned. I don't either. This is Kinda WANNA terrified. You know when you said her name to me and I said empowered. I didn't mean it like she's my hero or that. She is the protagonist. As if you as you said. But she sure could. She shared a backbone. Dan Richey did. But then there's the whole story of her second husband or her first husband. Don Do you think that always crack up that his name was something done? I don't think so. I think I don't know. I mean like evidence that they presented to us in the documentary. Sure seems like she did. But that's one perspective but it's the way they presented it. He says how they structured it. Here's what happened. There were we. Didn't we don't know. And then you have all these guys like Joe Exotic Anto Guy and and all these other guys who probably are getting all their information from Joe saying I heard this. I heard this so if you're hearing it's a bunch of men right saying. She Fed her husband to tigers. And I'm seeing a bunch of men. I'm not trying to say that women because maybe SAF or other women felt the same way. It's just that it again. It felt like a It was their perspective possibly based on no evidence except their storytelling and so the way. The documentary takes it. Is You just take that is true? Where if you were to look through I read an article this morning about caroline. You look through the facts of the case. There's a possibility that the only weird thing was the van parked at the airport right or maybe the only way. I don't think there's a whole bunch of really positive clean. Police work going on with any of these things. Yeah I don't know what happened care less about Carol. Yeah how is she different than what the other two guys are doing? Okay so based on what I watched the difference is. She's not breeding or selling these animals. She considers the sanctuary to be more of a retirement home for these animals who have been. Doesn't she have a bunch of cubs there? I don't think so I I don't know I know. It seemed like it was all the same. The cubs were an Antle Joe Exotic and whoever else has animals thing and they did that to make money. Because that's how they brought in people to they wanted to peddle Manhattan but she supposedly what they tell us did not and one of the things they said is. There's this scene where she's videotaping this long. Line of people who are coming into the sanctuary and she says that's a one time of year. Oh event where she? There's a name for it where she allows people to come see these animals in retirement so some people come and get tours or the volunteers help with the The animals but I don't think it's not a zoo. You know what I mean. Do they have these animals to Gawk at? She is trying to give them a place to be because they've been raised domestically or however you want to say it. There's more tigers what it was the Steiger's in captivity than out in the wild. That's nuts that's nuts and I guess if they're raised in captivity you can't put them in the wild is that were that they couldn't right okay so anyways. I don't know so in answer to your question about her husband or the difference. This is what I've come to understand but do I think that she benefits like why do I do? I think that all of her intention and everything she's doing is on the up and up. It doesn't feel like it but what do I. I don't know I think she thought going into this documentary. Though it was about her good work. Last Guy could just have an open. This is the campaign manager. Dial was JOE's campaign manager for about a year and a half. It was worse experience in my life. War horrible horrible. Just that statement like why. I couldn't go back Walmart late. You know there's something attractive to these people. Something attracts them to this. Chaos family in connection purpose belonging wonder of Joshua. The campaign manager has a family somewhere. I don't know and this is why the poor guy witnessed somebody shooting themselves in the head. Oh God that scene was the worst that was in? You know what we were so grateful because our daughter whose twelve had been watching kind of on and off and she chose to nod after a while and then that scene happened and we were like. Oh my God. It's it's traumatic view. Somebody else viewing that act. So Travis who was Joe's second husband young kids like nineteen initially when they met sounds like he was a meth addict. He definitely had In in something again according to the documentary it sounds like Joe told him. I will continue to buy you what you need. If it'd be drugs or an AV or a jeep or truck or whatever and sew travis was getting these like kind of surface level needs met but he was really loved his guns and he often threatened people with his guns and he struggled obviously emotionally himself is that it goes without saying and he just shot himself while they were taping. Now you don't see him. You see the reaction of. What's Joe? Dial Josh Josh that I want to Josh Basket. Because that's him for and I'm calling everyone gel is everybody's job everyone. His name is something. Dial Joshua Dial Joshua die. Yeah so anyway. You see this scene. That Josh was set up for you through narration. Where he's talking to Travis and Travis was messing around with a gun and then just shot himself in the head and you see an I. It was really interesting the way the Joshua talks about it because he puts his hands to his head and he starts yelling at them. Kinda like you can't hear it. You just see his mouth moving and he's like it doesn't happen the way it doesn't movies you don't think it's real. Yeah you can't and I'm guessing the graphic nature correct you know. In the movies guys falls autumn falls asleep. I now? I'm sure it's a lot different than that. I know and it was. It was brutal and that was you know. Say whatever you want about Joe Joe. At least believed he loved. Travis Moore thought he was taking care of Travis. There could have been a little more father son thing going on in that marriage no And he was appeared to be pretty devastated and broken by it. I feel like a lot changed after that. Yeah well he had a bunch of you know bottoming out and now he's in jail so I'm sure he's at a new bottom but oh that phone call when he's like I gotta get Outta here. That just gave me a pit in my stomach new. I don't care who you are even if you've made poor choices in your life that sometimes these like I don't wish that kind of pain on anybody it just so we have about fifteen minutes left. Okay if we want. Is there anything specific that you would like to cover? Well I don't know I guess it's just I feel like I've said the the biggest things just that for me as I was. You know my experience with watching a show like this. I think sometimes especially right now during the pandemic we're kind of looking for people who have it more difficult I used to say all the time that win win. I historically have been struggling or I'm having a hard time. I would watch lot of law and order because I felt like you know the people go into rikers. We're having a harder time than I was And I think this kind of feels that way that right now because we're in such uncertain and challenging times. It's there's something that it's a relief that we don't have to go through what these people are going through. It might give us comic relief at some points but also like not like the kind of like we feel sorry for them or we're glad we're not them. I don't know I I mean I don't know I I'm still wrapping my head around my experience of watching it. Sure and I think. And they're supposedly there's going to be like in the second season. Yeah but apparently that I feel like they've rushed the ended. It was weird like I don't. I don't have any suggestions on how to make it better. But the last episodes like it was just ended with a thud. And I think the making of a murder which I thought was the most impressive documentary I've ever seen and that ended in an interesting way as well. They brought it back for a second season but very few people I think. Watch the second season so I'll be curious to see how many of us are invested into even remember. We watched it last night. But what's the Thud? Remind me? Obviously we have the the goes to jail. Joe Got into a no Joe Jeff. Jeff Gotten a new partnership with other with other keeper of exotic cats and they started making the new zoo closer to the Casino in Texas bail. Then that guy. Yeah Monkey Guy Shirt. We all have monkeys in her shirt. Don't we Keep stop right there. This is something I want to look at these people. The love that they want from these animals like they they they make a point. I feel like in a month. Maybe I could do a better job talking through the psychological sociological elements of the show. I haven't integrated it yet. But they make a point of saying how you feel when you're with tiger you feel more powerful. The reason people want pictures with tigers is because they feel more powerful they were saying that there is a significant number of people on social networking especially spaces like tinder and grinder. That people pose with tigers. That's their picture. So what is that telling us about? Why people are doing that. They're trying to find their own sense of power through these animals have for themselves rags yet it through some other some wildcat and if you are best friends with a lion you feel better about who you are if you have a month. Lewis gave you a lion right. Nah I don't I don't mind. Would you feel I mean in that moment? I think it'd be Kinda cool but I wouldn't spend a dollar to get it. I wouldn't go to a zoo to get it. And that's because we have a different healthier ways of coping. But if you have been this goes back to the elements of this goes just some zen parenting things about where what are what's more information about these people up bring all. That's what my last question to you. We're going to be. How many of these people that we've been talking about for the last forty four minutes had a mom and dad who loved them well. Interestingly enough joe had a mom who joe basically got her involved in his Su- and like turned over money to her to hide it from Carol and then his mother got sued and they were mad at Carol for doing that but I wonder about Joe's Dad. I don't know anything about Joseph. Even though he was in that picture with her remember with the mom she's doing the interview and then Travis's mom is a big part of this and she it's heartbreaking because at some point she shows a picture travis when he's like seventeen or eighteen he's just adorable. Just a beautiful kid. And then she's like Travis loved Joe or I thought Travis of Joe so I wanted what was best for him. How beautiful that him singing at the funeral. Oh my God I can't that whole scene that whole scene of the funeral travis's funeral where Joe gives like the if you want to call it a eulogy. Y- It sounded a little more like a marketing strategy and then sings a song and the people like including Travis's mom kind of clapping along and then they're like what are we doing. Yeah it's like a Tux. That's uncomfortable scene like what's happening touching window. How many times I've said what's happening on this for the last six nights watching the show. I think there's a lot of F. bombs in that spot very helpful. They're not waste their lives. Four years have to get these. This is a story where he talks about. Yeah I won't a I mean looking at the footage as we speak easy now. They're trying to do like you teach college class on this see. I know I know what is happening. Now there's like men on the side who like are crying. There's a lot of women in the front row. Who Don't know how to respond to what's happening there are. It's like the emotional range of the people in the scene. Include like and show exotic doesn't know how to do anything but be the center of attention. It's the only thing he knows how to do. And so when he is confronted with something like this that is emotional even though he was a pretty good crier he could release emotions but he all he knows how to do. Is I'm going to entertain you again. It's reality show stuff. I know I'm going to entertain you. Live in from the outside of it is and he and even Joe Story just for those of you who have seen it or plan to Joe's story is that he felt unloved and unworthy because he knew he was gay at an early age. He tried to suicide. This is why he has the The crutch on his left side because he messed up his whole body and he eventually. I love the part that he came to some self acceptance You know he but for what price because or how did he do it because it doesn't seem like it was the healthiest path because it's like he traded one thing for narcissism like self loathing for narcissism and Again give me a month. Todd I might do a whole thesis on. I mean I just I. I'm part of me wants to say. Choose a number between one and seven and between the seven episodes and then give me a number between one forty four at what minute in whatever episode and we could play that and we can have a half hour discussion about what's happening about that men in that moment exactly like it doesn't matter it's too much for my brain. Yeah like I feel. I can't get my arms around for emotions and I feel like a lot of times when you and I watch a show I can be annoys knowing because I'll say pots and not necessarily to ask questions about what what's happening but I have to like have an emotional response to what's happening and I could not tell you to pause enough in the show. I don't even think I did tell you to pause because I just saying what what. What an in the they'd go to the next thing I know and like pause. Give me five minutes to get my stuff together until you hit me over the head with the next thing. That's going to show up in this documentary. Exactly and I don't. I felt I think I said this a lot but I felt uncomfortable laughing at these people because they are not much different than us in what they need. They need love the belongings exactly. Everybody has different tools and different options. If I was transient and I was at a bus station. And Somebody said I will give you a place to live and give you a job. I'd go to and if that was my only place then I would do all I can to keep it so we can point our fingers at these people and say you. That's why I was questioning your use of the normal because you know what they're more normal than we would realize 'cause there as human as we are we just look at them and say how did it get. How'd you get here and that's story like what brought you here? And that's why some of these outside characters this James Guy or Joshua like. Why did you choose to come into this mix because you had other options but greed plays a big role? Power plays a big role And you know and look at where they ended up like the. There's a point at the beginning or at the end of the documentary. Where they say you know. A lot of these people went into this work for the right reasons. Even Joe Joe Exotic loved the Tigers and he went into the work for the right reasons he got lost. And that's that could be behind the music or e True Hollywood story. I mean I grew up on these things. You get lost in the greed and you get lost in the power and you bring a lot of hardship on your so a few things. I had the end credits. Rolling Right now is. Is the big cat. Safety Act has not passed. I don't remember what that one act that she was bringing. The Congress Doc Antos Myrtle beach safari was raided by authorities in December of nineteen. That's four months ago so all lake brand. New Anto has not responded to allegations of cub euthanasia. Because what they said he was doing is he would bring the cubs for the the moneymaking experiences and then he would kill them and he would burn them and he had a crematorium crematorium So he was being charged with that. Yeah there's more scrolling up but yeah that DOC I don't know which one is more dysfunctional than the other. Like I feel like the DOT com. Mike could be as bad as Joe. I know what was in jail. I know well and he joe got stuck because he brought a lot on himself most of it on himself but he also got gang. He was ganged up on like some people came together. Say their own exactly. And they said you're gonNA take the fall for all this and even the guys who had some kind of care. For Joe like zookeepers. They had to testify against him. It's messed up. Is We spend fifty one minutes talking about this. And we didn't even talk about Allen Glover. Who is the guy who was the Hitman like? He's a case study to himself. You brought him up. I know I brought him up but like I don't even know what to think about that guy he looked like he should be in a show like Fargo like do you remember in St boost. Jamie's guy his his partner. It was like him. It's it's kind of like his goals are survive. Get SOME MONEY. Have something to do with myself. You have something to do for myself every day. And that's all he needs and he seemed to have not a lot of concern about others. Maybe not the deepest well of empathy And he was he part of a trap for Joe or was he willing to kill Carol. We'll never know this is the part of Fargo. When I thought of Bush ambien his partner. Yeah all right so this is what did you say something did no. It's the first thing you've said in the last four hours that's That's a found a conversation. You guys the Geyser to complain that Keep Smart Guy either silence. That was total Allen. Glover like this cruel of if I'm putting this in air quotes friends. Yeah we're gang of friends were they. They had a lot of criminal activity between them. So I think you know you start your first question to me was how I would describe. Joe What word and I stick with sad like even after this discussion I think what he his life experience. It didn't have to be sad but he unfortunately was in a situation wherever he grew up that he learned self hatred right up the the gate and he didn't you know hurt himself and then tried to come back and had an opportunity but he couldn't there were too many pieces that weren't connected to for him their neuro biologically or he couldn't figure out what was most important and it ends very sadly for him. Hopefully the next pop culture and we do we'll be a little bit more uplifting but we couldn't not talk about. We couldn't not talk about it and if you watch it you know. Just take your shower afterwards. Rub Clean. Are you guys See you next time on culturing. Everyone remembered to subscribe to the podcast. 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Ep 97: Eye of the Tiger King

Nobody Listens to Paula Poundstone

1:20:31 hr | 3 months ago

Ep 97: Eye of the Tiger King

"Coming to you live from our houses in Los Angeles California. It's nobody listens to Paula. Poundstone your comedy field guide to life tonight. Our Special Movie Review Episode Returns this time. Do you WANNA spend eight hours of your life watching Joe Exotic in the Tiger King Pollen. I of course review rocky three to let you know when Tiger King is worth your time. Maybe Paula poundstone posey pills and big cat size plus Tony. Anita Hollis donning her blue latex gloves and opening up the listener mailbag. We got off kinds of cabinet for you tonight. I'm Adam felber the man who tries to referee this shows topical boxing matches. And somehow keep the discussion within the ring and now please welcome the woman who floats like a conversational butterfly but never stings like a bee. Paula poundstone welcome Paula. Thank you very much. Hey you guys. Hey I missed you. We Miss You when I say we. I mean me because I'm all alone here too. Yeah I'm sitting in my chair on my treadmill. She's exactly what it was made for speaking of people sheltering in place. Let's be give a big. Thank you to tonight's house band devoted. Nobody Max Butterfield from Johnson Rhode Island play in that oboe. Thank you that was great. Thank you very much you know. I R I heard sportswriter. Mike Lupica is there is named Luca. Luca Yeah Mike I interview on. Msnbc and he was talking about the importance of Major League baseball to the mental health of Americans and winning maybe having televised games with no fans in the stands and I started thinking if baseball is that important. Why not just get it started? Now you don't even have to have the actual players. You can do this to the Spencer. The bag on I am double timing because Drew Carey looks from the mound. There's the Pitch Chuck Schumer pups it up. Rachel Ray makes the catch in the outfield throws to second base woman. Liz Oh Octavia Spencer. Sleds in the second cleats blades. I get she is safe. You know what is this? If it's affecting America's mental health for Heaven Sakes just bring it back like the swinging amounts to retire Clarence Thomas and he did not like that. Call arguing the empire two decades of the Supreme Court. The guys Bradley said a word but get on the phone or a baseball game. But he won't shut up Emma Stone Circle you know Adam. I just never liked the way she looks. Show is looks like she's about to cry. What a TUB eggs say. There's no crying in baseball. Wasn't that what he said. Emma stowed on second how she make the second so quickly. I got distracted. I got distracted over. She was on second. That's my favorite kind of baseball announcing. I used to love that when Phil Rizzuto go like Happy Birthday to lot of Hannah's in from Queens. Yeah Oh and it looks like there was a home. Run while talking. You know. It's a slow game and it's easy to looks like the Connecticut. Dingle buzzer bringing in Pitcher to replace Bryan Cranston. Paula poundstone has reached out to him on twitter. Multiple Times. Tried to get him. This podcast famously known as a famous famously friendly active Paula. Poundstone has been striking out to use Bayes Wolter constantly with brain granted. He just won't do it just like you walk. Pitch another ball game at incomes number nine Val demings to pitch for the Connecticut. Dingle Ball's number nine val demings facing off against number twenty seven. Barbra streisand though distant. Here Dan the dead ends batting to thirty seven with runners in scoring position on Thursdays but on Fridays. He's a completely different story batting three twenty. Two all there's a lot of twists and turns at a game like this lot towards center now by the way did a fabulous job at the trump impeachment hearings and of course Barbara streisand. Who always be funny girl to me. What a fabulous job she did in that movie so long ago it was great and funny girl we all loved her and funny girl. But I gotTa Tell You Paul she cannot hit the curve Beiber streisand and it does. Woosh is ended at big nose of hers and she's on her way back to the dugout addict digger drink water but I swear the seed of the private dining room with the fat. Is that what it's called? Divan the long chair. It's not a couch but it's I think I think you pronounce the divine. You know my grandfather had one of those. She added under plastic for you. Then I'll somebody must have a home run because there's nobody on the basis anymore and I remember what she said. I guess guess who is God. Being the sexual attention that stream put. That's scene out of. I will put that seed up against Eddie seen in any movie. They don't anything really but it doesn't matter. Oh look at that Barbra. Streisand barely made it home. You Know Adam. So that's what I've been doing with my time. This last week is just you know announcing baseball to help America with it's mental health problems Polo while we're while we're what we got distracted from baseball. We forgot to go around the Horn and say hi to our team here today yes. Let's do that my mistake. That's all right and we're going to do this the way that we we started doing last week. Which by introducing him by asking. What's new in their lives this week? Because we're desperate for something new so almost a cruel question at this point. Is it not well? If they started sobbing. We'll know not to ask next week. Body Burns producer manager. Funny Birds Happen Crinkle. What's new this week now? I don't have a lot new. I've been spending a lot of time working Paula. So is trying to think What I had to say in the problem I have. Is that the other day on the phone meeting. We were talking about doing some language for quarantine corner and the one thing I really remembered is what I learned in seventh grade in my Spanish class. I can't get it out of my head so I thought I'd share that. Bonnie can I? Can I just say this? I mean no disrespect when we do corn- corner and we say we're going to help people home school their kids by telling them what we remember from seven Spanish right. That would be a different question. Then what's new with you right but you guys. I don't know the thing they wrote about. Was somebody one no Dutch or something not spending learning Bonnie all we asked his. What's new in your life and instead hold on a second instead. You had a flashback to something. We discussed last week about a different language. I know but every time you probably Burns Kevin Quigley. You're inches away from being a key. Figure in trump's corona virus task force. Yes every time. I think you know what to say about what's new. I couldn't get this out of my head so I thought I'll share this. Then it'll be. Yeah okay so thinking of this more like a support group. Okay here comes of meeting for you okay here. I haven't. Here's what I did this week. I thought about what I at seventh grade. Oh very clever. Okay was T- any own lab peace. I'm real. You will not be fucking deterred. Will you wow boy that accent you can you know? I know you raised in Seattle. But since you've come to Los Angeles with all the Hispanic culture around you. You have just absorbed the accent. Yeah you know what I'm going to wreak a small measure of revenge on You. Bunny burnt by not asking you what that means. Oh come on. You don't know what that means. It's so elementary weight saving elementary the way you pronounce it again. Okay yeah six say it again. I have the CRYPTOGRAPHY APP on my phone. T any piece. I'm a real. I never could feel my ours. Do you have something yellow? Why what do you have? I think it's I have I think. Can you tell me how to get to Amarillo? Do you have a yellow pencil? I think I have to mean anyways my head Dell so you know what I think you really need to ask and you need to learn how to say this in Spanish is a excuse me Senor. Am I asking a question or not? I say frankly the UN in. I mean. I'm really hoping that Joe Biden wins the election in November. But I see you absolutely as an ambassador or you official of some sort where you're able to your your ability to stay unfocused. I mean even with the most specific questions and you just able to stay completely invoked at all times. Thank you Bonnie Burns Tony Anita Hall. I mean I let me apologize To you because we have less listeners. Now Bonnie's cleared out the room a little bit but but for the remaining listeners. Why don't you villas with you? This week I my brother and I you know before you do that Tony before you do that. I do think we should. We should give some sort of tutorial to the listeners on how to raise your jaw with your hand fat. It's something that we've learned to do over time. I'm sure my brother and I have been doing cruise planning for December you have. Oh that's ridiculous talking about. We have over the. It's MRS culpepper. Our favorite southern bell hand weapon. Tony Tony why not just purchase a tube of Cova nineteen and rub it all over yourself? What are you doing now? You're not going on a cruise with your brother. Oil uncle only relative. That is absurd. Why would your brother is older brother? Tony he is my older brother. Well he doesn't like you would possess you consider going on a cruise at this time in our nation's difficulty now to review for our listeners. Tony you took a break this winter to go on a cruise with your brother and your your niece right but your nieces but your nieces actually your age so it's going to be like the three of you getting a cruise. A couple of things happened number. One you don't get along with your knees and your brother bailed so you ended up taking a miserable tearstained cruise with your knees at the very beginning of the cove in nineteen outbreaks. So that your your cruise ship was actually delayed for three days and given all that you and your brother are now planning your next cruise booked for December. Jeez so we did some wow. It's just stunning. Take Golf. That's what I did this week. What kind of planning digital like getting a will maybe bring along a personal physician. What kind of planning well you know. We want to swim with dolphins. You will use wanted to what swimming swim with dolphins by the way. That's every dolphins dream as well a lot of times when a dolphin fifty and it's kids come to it and say well. What would you like to do for Your Fiftieth Birthday? They'll say swim with some Americans that might have covered. Nineteen dolphins are into. Yeah I'm hopeful. Well well this is shocking. I E you're hopeful. Yeah Yeah have you pay any attention to the science or the the FAO Cheat? You've listened to I do yeah is he on. The crows isn't like one of those things where you're going with the celebrity it's the G. cruise with the took a foul occurs once it was great. Yeah yeah that would be great. I don't think he would do it. Tony what did I tell you that I I think? It was a a health journalist from the New York Times. I believe it was that said. If you trying to create a deadly virus you would do it on a cruise ship. Which is my way of saying. Bummbly is a good time. And don't forget. We're trying to was in the room a couple of months ago when we had at the beginning of the outbreak when we had the virus scientists on our show who basically said that he was He'd rather risk a bullet to the head then getting on a cruise ship. I'm paraphrasing but yeah apparently Tony when we do a show and we interview a knowledgeable person. Tony take notes at all right. Yes guess what what else is going to blow you away with surprise. I have a word for this week. You do. It's yes it's in you are. I know that one yeah. It's endurance a verb. That means become used to something especially something unpleasant out here are using the sentence. Tony has become inured to cruise ships each week. By the way each week I add a word to a vocabulary. That is both educational ended up lifting in these difficult times which were lowered to it. Are you kidding me? They look for like a Goddamn cruise. Well this is what I have. I want to wait. I just have to get myself right now. This what wait there is weeks new verb that means become used to something especially something unpleasant like not being in school to say. President. Last week's word was pell. It's announced that means money especially when gain dishonest league. There's probably a slice for Hannity the week before that we had two proposal. It's an adjective that means impossible to overcome. That can make a person Miami clemson going back before that we had nonplussed. It's an adjective. That means surprised and confused. Not Knowing how to react might describe me of trump set of fact a not lamb to go. We have Qatar. It's on the main success of milk concerned the throat or nose. You can hear it in everyone of my shows. Let's never forget. Go Limb affray. It's announced that means confused Tumbler. Medley of things Hodge podge. Who's punch Podge Adam? Thanks my song is in replicable replicable replicable but I do I do I do rainman. Wonderful fantastic yeah. I left on the clock. You left something on the Glock. That's for sure I keep meaning to practice and then time just gets away from me. Well it doesn't show in your performances. Politics does stunning. Yeah no no. No it happens is your natural performer. So practice or not. When it's time to deliver you deliver I am to the Clark Bill. Really what trump is to medical knowledge just bored into the well with it. Yeah Yeah you probably have just done it but know even musicians say they are just amazed. Yeah Adam we have an auction tonight. It is a pebble. That Rosa Parks shook out of her shoe while she was walking. Instead of taking the bus in Montgomery Alabama in one thousand nine hundred fifty five. And you know there seems recently to be some confusion about who Rosa Parks was so I'm glad I was able to obtain this piece of history. On December I nineteen fifty five. Ms Rosa Parks was on a city bus in Montgomery Alabama in the segregated south. She was actually sitting in the colored section but as often happened when a white man boarded couldn't find a seat. The bus driver moved to the dividing line and asked Ms Parks to move. She refused and was arrested that night. Martin Luther King and others met to plan the Montgomery bus boycott out at recent protesters of the stay at home order have occasionally shouted that they are like Rosa Parks. Have you heard amazes me? Yeah it's absolutely stunning. Let me just to. Feis it to say they are not. The African. American struggle has been a struggle for equal rights. Plain and simple. It is not against a public. Health mandate to save lives so This is a really important piece of history that I have here. After of course she was arrested and the boycott took place. She didn't take the bus anymore as something like ninety six percent. I believe of african-american stayed off the buses and so she was walking on one day and a pebble gut inner shoe and she emptied it out into her hand. And that is the pebble that I have here and oh my gosh right off the bat. Thank you so much lacy Fullerton nobody. She's a nobody. She has made our kickoff bid for the pebble from Rosa Parks Shoe. Thank you lazy. She's made an opening bid of three hundred dollars. That's Adam that's actually higher than where we usually start some particularly surprised because it seems like an almost unverifiable artifact not. I just told you Rosa who it was. I get that I get that part. Yeah it's got it's kind of Reddish 'cause you know they got the red clay down there but apparently lacy really understands the value of Rosa parks contribution to this world would like to have this pebble from Rosa Parks. His shoe to Commemorate Data Important Act. Thank you Lacey Fullerton. Thank you so much. It's exciting and I'm so happy that I have an artifact from Rosa parks. Oh my Gosh Kim crump. Nobody Tim crump has just made a bit of three hundred and fifty dollars. Thank you tim. He says in the clements section ninety six percent. I was right ninety. Six percent of African Americans did stay off the Montgomery buses on the first day of the boycott ignited by the rest of Rosa Parks for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white person. Well wow three hundred and fifty dollars. That's fantastic tim on one piece of Trivia that I've always loved about the Rosa Parks thing is that that was not her first encounter with that bus driver. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah it's true but it was like ten years before or something like that. That same driver had kicked her off the bus or I didn't know that. Yeah granted move. She actually got off the bus and so so while she's sitting back there on the bus. Us LOOKING FORWARD ON IRAQI. Mac Guy is really familiar. At case in point being that it was this discrimination this inequality was entrenched ongoing long-term and Rosa Parks inspired a very strong strike against it. Yeah and you did. Thank you Rosa Parks of it. And nobody's remember every Friday at five PM eastern daylight time. French trump is holding his weekly press conference. So just WANNA remind everybody to be sure to tune in whenever wherever you get your podcasts or at Paula poundstone dot com. That is correct. Adam fell bear. I earned press conference on Friday dead in farm. I am farms oppress the American families impress and the American pepple pepple that like the one found in Rosa Parks Shoe. No no not pebble pill. I didn't cannot INFORMA- pedal pepple pepple pep details coming up. George Bernard Shaw said when a man wants to murderer tiger he calls it sport when Tiger wants to murder him. It's called ferocity. We'll explore the intersection of sports and ferocity when pollen. I review rocky three to tell you if you need to see tiger king. That's coming up when we return on. Nobody listens to Paula poundstone. Oh better help. The world's largest counseling service has asked me to talk to you about something that is really important. Which is your mental health and how to reach out and get help. You wouldn't hesitate to go to the doctor for professional care if he had a broken arm. Well your mental health deserves the same attention better. 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Everyone's so all we'd like to help our listeners. Figure out if a new movie is worth seeing me usually it's a sequel and we view the original film but of course there's no new movies coming out in the movie theaters right now So tell our listeners. Exactly why we are reviewing rocky three well. It seems so obvious to me. A lot of people have watched this tiger king series. Is that what it's called? Tiger King and So adamant I watched rocky three which features both the phrase and the song eye of the tiger right and that seems like a reasonable way to approach it. I mean in the first ten days of release over thirty four million people watch tiger king on Net Netflix. But I do think that can't possibly took the number of people who seen rocky three and I think it's a it's a good. It's a good gauge as to whether you should watch tiger king. Oh it's the perfect. It's the perfect measure. Frankly I don't. I've not understood what I have. The tiger even means other than raised that was in that song and a phrase. It's a new movie and you know what I do. You want me to summarize the movie for our listeners and then we can go onto our discussion because I do. I do have a theory and I think it's pretty good about what either tiger means. Yes go ahead okay. So here's one of my patented quick summaries of the movie rocky three begins with the end of rocky to where our hero finally punches. Champ Apollo creed into submission and becomes the heavyweight champion of the world now that he's made it rocky waits no time getting rich selling out losing his edge. Endorsements fights cream puffs and KAZ and buys giant houses inexpensive shit all in a montage that might as well be titled. Getting soft now all the time he shadowed by up and coming upset fina them. Yeah clubber Lang. Introducing Mr T. kind of Mr T. is a brutal Mohawk punching brute designed for only one purpose to terrify White America. Cluber finally gets his shot and he punches rocky half dead at the same time he pushes rocky's trainer Mick all the way dead. Yes Burgess Meredith breathes his last breath leaving rocky alone as the only unintelligible guy left in the movie. But wait Apollo creed shows up to lift rookie out of his depression and train him. La Style to help him regain the eye of the tiger. Three sweaty monthly montages later rock clubs club or half to death and order is restored to the rocky verse. Yeah that's pretty much what happened. That's the whole movie. Yeah get in so now. It's rough down. Oh you know So all right. Do you WanNa tell me your wait a minute. Wait a minute certain corrupt. I cannot believe this way I we just got an online bid for the pebble from Rosa Parks. Shoe from get this. Steve Mnuchin the secretary of the Treasury former Goldman Sachs banker who bought a mortgage lending company in two thousand nine foreclosed on thousands of borrowers then resold the homes for a very great prophet. That Steve Mnuchin has just been four thousand three hundred dollars on the pebble from Rosa Parks. Shoe Steve Mnuchin. By the way is real estate rich to the to four hundred million dollars support that really kicks up the bidding right now. Four thousand three hundred one dollar is the going price and by the way we closed out the action at the end of the show. But let's keep our values in mind here about what's more important than civil rights movement Iraqi. Three my mistake. Let's just start at the beginning. A one of the things I was surprised about was that Adrian who is now rocky's wife was estranged when I less Saraki. She was estranged from Paulie who was abusive to her. In every way and now they seem to work things out the same of Rocky. Three was a lot of healing. The names were were very weird. I thought up keep thought a guy at one point in big Yank. Yeah Big Yank Ball. Wasn't that the guy's name big again off balls or something like that and also he. He did a charity match where he fights a professional wrestler named thunderlips. Now the interesting big detail about this is that was the film debut in the beginning of superstardom for professional wrestler Hulk Hogan playing a thunder so this movie introduced both Cogan. And Mr T. Basically this movie created the eighties. Your this movie is unforgivable. At least for those two reasons when they were showing sort of rocky going soft with all the richness and the fame. One of the things I showed was that he was on. The muppets doesn't clear. Indication of a boxer losing his edge right fighting a wrestler but also just being on the muppets. And and you could tell because at one point Kermit like pushed him and he staggered back. And Oh yeah so clip some clubs. Lang who is the MR T? Character has been fighting his way up the hierarchy of fight but he can't become the champ unless rocky greased vitamin. So you know they show all these different fights with clubber Lang fighting and then they were revealing a statue to rocky in Philadelphia unveiling of the famous rocky statuette steps there. Yeah and then. Clubber showed up at that event and called rocky out and mic was at the event the manager was at the event and by the way has so much in common with my manager. Burns. Yeah because you have the time you have no idea what he's saying. Yeah well many times in the film Rocky Woods that Dude and Mick would begin talk about his seventh grade. Spanish knowledge God rock. I got a guy ahead that candidate. You're not conjugate the verbs bratty. Kyle Tamara right right. Yeah Yellow Pencil. That's what I want to know. How the Yellow Pretzel Rack? They Yellow Pencil. You're not gonNA have nothing. I thought that it's that. They made a lot of the movie up on the fly. A little bit really was lazily scripted. It was written by Sylvester Stallone but the seemed to find out about the boat like he appeared not to know that rocky had agreed to fight. This guy yeah rocky gets goaded into fighting this guy. Because Mr T. starts looking at a Adrian and going Hey lady. Why don't you come over to my place later? I'll show you what a real man is like. Oh yeah rocky goes from retiring going like of A. And then they got to the scene in mixed rum and make apparently lives with rocky and Adrian giant ECKSTROM. Here's what I WANNA know. Why is Mixed Room Pink? I couldn't tell either. It was a weird thing I could had any room but like they put. Mickan this pink room with a canopy bed and stuff. Yeah it was kind of it was not really the MIC. We used to no no. But you know that's kind of a theme because mix surprises us in a couple of ways in this movie unsurprisingly. He had something like seven heart attacks before he finally dies. And nobody seems to really notice during one Iraqis fights mic clearly as a heart attack. And everybody's like are you okay mic. And he's like oh it's nothing it's just one of those times heart stops speaking statistic seconds. You know I've got to walk it off so in any case. So he's in that room. I guess 'cause rocky thinks he's a Holly Hobby Fan and the other big surprise for me. Is that Mick? Played by Burgess Meredith after he is turns out to be Jewish. That surprised me as well. It never occurred to me to think about the religious beliefs of mick the manager of rocky. I just assumed he had none. Y'All just think that an actor of British descent. Playing a guy named mic was probably an Irishman at well by the way his name was Mickey. Gold Mill I never even knew as leads images but there was that you know there was that scene. I think it was in rocky to where he says in a kind of a quiet moment with rocky rock. You know what I want a bedroom I want. Can I am strawberry shortcake doll? That's right. That's right before Ruggie Goes Bacon 'cause I don't WanNa and don't bring that around here so there were clues everywhere there. How can we have Missa very realistic? Movie Mr t the clubber Lang Hairdresser had you know. Looked like how you remember Mr T. Looking he had these big huge dangling earrings and the Mohawk hairstyle if a better realistic film Mr T. would have caught his earrings on so many things just like walking down the aisle of the fight and stuff. They just have hooked onto a chair. I the mayor of all the ridiculous this and that movie. That was a deal. Breaker for you now okay. Dozen Apollo creed when he shows up to coach rocky on. How'd you were how to get back? The eye of the tiger. Yeah yeah he says to him. You had that eye of the tiger atom explained to me what that means. Paula put simply. It's the eye of the tiger. It's the thrill of the fight standing up to the challenge of our rivals. Isn't that the lyrics from the song? You got me the lyrics to the song however what the eye of the tiger is that hungry? Look that predatory hungry look in your eye that says that you will accept nothing. Other than than beating your prey on predatory look in your eye. Somebody else can see. Oh he doesn't look like they tiger anymore. I'll punch him in the face. Repeatedly I see okay and have this exchange so so rocky fights clubber Lang and gets clock cleaned and afterwards Mcdyess okay can I? Can I pause you there for a minute please? I just want to say when Mick dies. Basically in rocky's arms after to fight having been lied to by rocky could your win kid. Tell them that part Adam that's important. What are in the pink bedroom mic tells rocky why he should not Fight Club. Lang and the reason is that all these fights that he's been doing since the Apollo creed fight in this successful montage of how things have been going so well for rocky it turns out that none of those guys were really good fighters that set him up with fights that he could win. And that's what he tells rock. I can't say this guy. He's a wreck and machine. He'll take your pot rack. Mara I love that. Yeah my favorite mic line was. He'll kill you to just in the first round. He you know if he lived he definitely would have been on the Corona Virus Task Force work with no with trump with that kind of science of death. Yeah I do. I do want to add that like before that happened in the hallway before the fight clubber Lang does push mick. Oh I forgot about that. Does things out a line. He's a god Damn Tim. Yeah he's not satisfied with just wanting to fight rocky he's like he keeps saying things about rocky's wife and then he keeps like telling me to stay out you know. Kill you dead you. Yeah he's very aggressive with everyone. Not just in the ring so anyways make this. This is rocky this dialogue rocky three. Yeah I like and I wanna I wanNA play some actual dialogue. This is after. Mick finally kicks the Bucket Rocky Rockies not happy about the fact that mcdyess and he expresses himself thusly who how long? Oh Lord I just and the goes to you know what? It's hard to make out but a lot of what he said. I'm really showed the relationship between a person and their manager like you can hear him at one point say Always took that very clearly and at one point you could barely make him out saying he was. Ogle dial now go? I have to say that when I was watching rocky. Three here might welling by myself. I've found it very moving. Seen that win rocky was unhappy. I did too. I watched it with my whole family because as I can you know. We're watching a movie and Paula going to be reviewing it. Does anybody WANNA watch rocky. Three my kids had never seen rocky too. I just explained it to him very quickly. My whole family loved that movie. They've found it completely predictable but like the day. We're cheering rocky on. They were scared of clubber Lang they they loved Apollo creed they were sad for mic. It was great. It absolutely worked on them. Clem Lane Cook okay. It's it's your head about how yeah and I constantly. That's not only the first appearance of Mr T. in popular entertainment but it's the beginning of. I pity the fool opinion food. Yeah all right so Apollo creed steps into the pitcher after mixed data and rockiest been dethroned right former champion. Apollo creed played by Carl. Weathers and I think possibly the most interesting character. That's still own ever created I really love Apollo creed so Apollo Creed Takes Rocky and Adrian. Who by the way has mysteriously got now a princess? Laya hairstyle has decided that she's basically not going to talk anymore. Well that's probably for the best you know. They all go to Los Angeles you know. They leave Philadelphia. They go to Los Angeles To train where Apollo creed came up to train in his gym. And this is where the film begins trying to do a racial healing thing and I think he does a great job. I you know I'd go ahead. I think it was a bit of a reach rocky. Yeah so what they do is Paulie is unexpecting of of black people and guess. He's this danger of the Boxing Gym. That he has walked into your. We didn't know this about him before. This is something that just all of a sudden came up so they go into the gym and polly's saying you know things to it just sort of to nobody really about how he doesn't like this and and Not Anything that we knew about poly in the past would makes them feel superior is really hard to figure out. I find that to be startlingly accurate of actual real life racists. A lot of them. It's hard to figure out why new world they would feel superior to anybody and probably the of that he's like this this dirty disgusting abusive Drunken Guy. Who's like I don't know about these people? Yeah so rocky has now talked into training in Los Angeles and any has to win because he needs the money to keep Adrian and Mascara and you should scarano tremendous amount of Mascara. There was one scene where she could barely stand up because her face was that heavy. She was her lashed in woman at one point so Apollo creed keeps tried to train rocky and the training isn't going well at all as rocky had never had any skills whatsoever. He can't he can't be up on his toes. He's not fast. He can't keep trying to teach him like he's a dancer and they're like. Oh my gosh. She's a white guy. He can't do what I actually by that part because in the first two rocky movies one thing they firmly established is rockies. Main strength was that you could punch him in the face and infinite number of times and he would keep punching you in the face and Apollo creed. Was this flashy dancy. Kind of like you know. Art of boxing kind of guy and so that whole that whole deal is trying to teach rocky to use his feet and become a little more twinkle. Toey I see. I guess I had recognized that now. They have to go to that iconic spot off of the Pacific Coast highway. I don't know what that thing is called the the. What is the wooden thing called? That goes out into the water. Monica Pierre another thing. Okay the doc you know they have to run at this place so they can get that iconic shot causeway causeway. I can't say in words of stuff that sticks out into the Ocean Jedi. It's a Jedi. It might be a Jedi so if if Apollo creed is explaining why we he says we've gotta get some speed and finally he says to him with gotTa get a shot of you at that that iconic Kinda beach spot and they run and rocky is always behind Apollo create an he keeps getting his ass kicked him these running things and creed so frustrated with them. He's like you what do you do about. What do you what do you? And finally they go. Away and Adrian keep in mind in rocky one. Adrian was Paulie sister lived in this dumpy apartment. Worked at a pet store barely spoke to the degree that there was speculation that she was developed mentally delayed. Yeah right wore big thick glasses and now uh she's come to Los Angeles and she's a therapist and a life coach. She talks to rocky and and they do like a get encounter group with just two people she said no rocky what is it. What is it and finally he says. I'm afraid bud rural it was very moving. It was really good by the way that was exactly what it sounded like. She basically says to him that He needs to get his brains beaten out supposed to be. Isn't it the the wife saying we have everything we need? Rocky you could just go get a regular job right now or I could go to work and we can keep the house but she's like what you're get in there get your ass. It's really beautiful. It's a beautiful scene between the two of them. She says him. Nothing is real. If you don't believe in who you are which we're still trying to unravel Adrian. Is that throughout the rocky movies. And I'm Paul I've seen all of them. Is that to other movie. She alternates between screaming at him for wanting to fight again. When it's risking is health and suddenly saying out of nowhere. You have to punch this guy a lot or else. You're not a man anymore. Yeah I think the worst girlfriend ever writ large yeah. I think there's probably another rocky that we haven't seen where she does. Fart clubber Lang. I mean here. Here's a little side note. Fans is that in rocky to. I guess is health is in danger again. And she convinces rocky not to fight again and then he died anyway and she's upset and then around the time of the birth of their first son she goes into a coma not at and then while rocky's training she wakes up from the coma and she says Rocky Win beat them Apollo creed so she's put him on this rollercoaster. Before is my point. I hadn't seen that that one that would make this would make even less sense if yeah she really she really goes on a roller coaster would get it be getting there all right so now after. Adri gives him talking to At the at the beach he beats Apollo In a race they run into the water. They use the buddy system. Apollo's drowning rocky pose breathes life back into him. It's a beautiful scene. Extra stuff there but okay right so now they have you know now right. They've established that you know he's fitter than he's ever been affect they kept saying the weights so that the guys that are calling the boat keep talking about the weight so so rocky has drop some pounds. His fiddle and clubber Lang is on his way in. And someone says what's your prediction. Global anxious paid them and and then I believe it gives them a pretty the food so now they go in to the arena for the big fight and poly is a member of the end Aa. He's Oh yeah oh he's one hundred he's embracing Apollo creed and the dinosaur can't really figure out what the poverty that made him come face to face with the injustice of the way that he was behaving before. There is no explanation for that character. Just sort of tags along at the end of a rope boss. The car somehow bounces alarm. All right. Anyway. Let's get back together but now he's GONNA FIGHT MR T. But now he really means it. Yeah yeah before. It was just kidding around waiting around for his manager to die but now now as manager is dead. He's got the eye of the tiger back. Here WE GO I. Yeah so of course they get in. The ring doesn't look good for a while and then all the sudden who who just he comes to life. Yeah Punchy Punchy Punchy and and by the way the bucks choreographer was Sylvester Stallone which could be why he. He won all right Paula. After I have only watched maybe a couple of movies in the last few months and suffice into say rocky three is not a good movie but I did sort of. Enjoy the heck out of sitting in a chair and watching a movie here. This is not a reflection of whether it's a good movie or not. It's not a good movies terrible movie but there was something kind of joyous about sitting in a chair watching a movie. I haven't seen before In the midst of all of the craziness that we're now going through my God. Speaking of crazy what we just got a five thousand three hundred dollar a bid from Mike Lindell Tokai. Mike Lindell the my pillow guy. He's the guy who says he's. He spent two years developing the my pillow. Which by the way I always wondered about that two years. What was he working on it every day? I mean isn't that some fluffy stuff in a cloth bag time because imagine how many naps you have to take to find out if it's working. Maybe that's the system. I mean how far out of the box was. He likes to Pine cones didn't work how about hamsters fluffy stuff in a bag. But I guess thank You Mike. Lindell five thousand three hundred dollars from Mike Lindell. Wow that is a big bid for the pebble from Rosa Parks. His show that arrived in her shoe while she was walking During the bus boycott of the Alabama buses yeah interesting fact. A lot of people think of Rosa Parks as this woman who just was just an ordinary apolitical woman. Who just lost her cool when she was asked to give up her seat but she was actually a very very active civil rights person for years before this moment happened yeah she was a member of the end already as was her husband and by the way they left Montgomery because the backlash even though it was obviously a highly successful boycott in that the argument went into the courts and the and the courts ruled that indeed. It was unconstitutional to segregate the bus seats. In that way nonetheless The war what remained very difficult for both Jenner husband. She was fired from her job. He was harassed at his job. There were death threats and the bombing stuff that took place to the other members of their organization afterwards and so they left and went up to Detroit move to they love Montgomery moved to Detroit and that brings me to a very important point so they moved to Detroit and I have to ask you Paula. Poundstone given your experience with rocky three should our listeners watched the tiger king as I see where those two things are connected. No they should not watch the tiger king. I'm rocky three was not good. They should find another movie that they've never seen before. Watch that because I said there was something exciting about watching film and seen before but rocky three is not a bomb for these days. A bomb B. A. L. Like a tiger balm exactly tiger balm. Now I gotta say having heard European I want to take your answer but because I think you're right but I already prepared my answer. My answer is yeah. Watch the tiger king because I loved Rocky Three Love Hockey the movie I love watching Rocky Three of my family. So my is is that bad? Entertainment can still be very entertaining. And I assume that that is having watched the first two episodes of the tiger king. That's what that is. It's it's bad but it's entertaining. Well I still think we can aim a little higher. I don't like I don't like the pandemic to be the Trojan horse for a for Up Society does not need more Trojan horses. No hold on hold on Kerry crowd. Kim crump is back. Nobody Tim crump is back with another online bid for the pebble from Rosa. Parks is show that she shook out of her shoe walking during the Montgomery Bus Boycott. That she inspired. Okay so what did he been he has. He has a bid of six thousand dollars. Yeah that's a lot of money in verified pebble it is verified receive a lot of Mike commemorative items from of course that company. I told you don't ask acquisitions who don't ask acquisitions. Yes they're very respectable company despite their very respectable name. All right. Yeah No. I'm certain that it is and who wouldn't want to commemorate Rosa Parks. She really is a beacon for our struggle now not to struggle that the protesters are insisting upon but just a struggle that requires inner strength and a loving heart. 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Her blender Pencil sharpener another device that she's created to use in her kitchen slash office. Absolutely tony so welcome in now. I understand that you have some listener mail for us. And it's time for special segment that we call hit me up mad butterfield. Mail bag mail mail bag apparent apparently met which the Glock and I'm okay with that. All right Tony hit us up. Okay so this is from Maureen Hello I know that this reference isn't old episode but Adams Maine accent is about as good as Warwick's in the graveyard shift. Thanks for all the laughs now. I don't know that movie is. It is a movie grey. There are no. Has Anybody seen it? I think Maureen has made a film called graveyard shift and she's just trying to promote it. It's it's quite possible marine. Congratulations on completing film but bulloch would I suspect is that I am once again. One of those situations where I don't know if I'm being complimented or insulted me a lot I don't know my main accent was good or bad but okay mainly can't get there from here and peppered FAB remembers. Yeah I'M GONNA assume that Warwick accent wasn't that good and graveyard shift I all right. Fuck you marine. Dare you thank. Thank you Maureen episode. You know we make them. And we throw them aside. Maureen we can't we don't have time to generate on. Adams bad accent an old episode Adams bed accents. Well it might well that is not my strongest accents. I'm guessing that you might be right Paula. Let's move on Tony need and by the way we love you marine. Keep writing in Tony. Hi Team at. Nobody listens to Paul town stone. I wanted to start off by saying I love the PODCAST. You just say right here. Maureen peas do here. What this person said. That's how you start marine. Go on Tony. Please keep doing what you're doing it's hilarious. I have absolutely nothing bad to say it at all. Captain Crinkle is a bit much and by that I mean she is completely crazy. I've yet to see Thomas Coin in Vermont but I'm still looking one thing I'm hearing. Is that Adam? Felber is on every show. Wow that's impressive thanks. Even Gifford O. K. Okay go ahead Paula. I think it might be Evan Gifford. Maybe I'm sorry you're right Adam. Silver is on every show in is impressive. It's not the same as having your star on Hollywood Boulevard. But it's big it's big. I I WANNA say that. Evan has done the impossible here by uniting me with Burns but crazy I yeah I think Brandi and I have common cause here is says is absolutely nothing bad to say about it at all but he says I he breaks out. That Canard policy started that the best thing you can say about me that I'm on every show but he also calls captain curricula a bit much and completely crazy. Think about I think Evan means that in a very playful way like Okay because he didn't say about you. Well no but also read and Paula Needs Professional. Help how would you feel about the email? But that's not what they said. It was like flagged me in Bonnie. No it's completely crazy. Like oh my gosh. She's a riot she's just crazy. That kind of crazy not like a bit much not like she hears voices and not like that. No I I am going to now. Utter a phrase that I don't think is editor ever been uttered in the English language. Bunny Burns what are your feelings about this? I know I I feel very secure. I know I'm not crazy. How about a bit out? No I don't think that's the first thing one of the first symptoms good. I can be annoying at times. No no no no. That's my job is to be annoying. no no come on part of the manager's job annoying sometimes and I think that that was demonstrated in rocky three when it turns out mic was having rocky fight fighters at weren't really fighter like Bonnie. Call me one time. And she said she had gotten me on the late. 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I put word is free additive to me the which I obviously can't do now and looking at up. Great Panis looking at up for those listeners. Who Don't know one of the things that makes Bunny Burns as annoying as she is is. We talked to her on the phone every week as we plan this show and she she suddenly starts listening with half an ear while she's scrolling through her her devices to look things up. Yeah so we'll have a long conversation about safe for example how long the podcast should be right. And then we'll all decide after say twenty minutes talking about it that it should be an hour and then. Bonnie goes well. How long do you think the podcast should be will have a convincing? Answer for the thing that she's been looking up while not listening to us right exactly because she was staring at the band. The monkees on site. Thinking like yeah. I'm a believer so Bonnie given all that. How do you pronounce the word? Okay Ma. Free God dammit. 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Yahoo Finance Presents: Director Eric Goode - "Tiger King"

Yahoo Finance Presents

06:43 min | 4 months ago

Yahoo Finance Presents: Director Eric Goode - "Tiger King"

"I'm here with Eric Good. Who's the producer and director of the smash hit Tiger King and Eric's done all kinds of things in his life to is an artist? But right now it's all about Tiger King Eric and man. Did you ever expect it was going to take the country by storm the way it has no of course? I think it would be successful. You know I think we were very fortunate to stumble upon such an unbelievable story but of course not You know we have this crazy moment in time. That's you know stranger than fiction. Frankly as is the series. Yes so I mean what is it first of all. I guess the question is. Do you think it would have done as well? If it wasn't for the Corona Virus I mean. How are these things like connected? Well of course. I don't think it would have done as well. We're at a moment in time where we have this captive audience. You know. We're not there. No sports programs on people are dying to have a reprieve from this. You know the surreal moment that we're in so obviously we have a captive audience. Lachey cats you know so at least never been in a situation like this. I never really thought of a captive audience and captive cats thing. That's that's truly truly amazing but but still I mean I think it would have done well regardless in. What is it you think that resonates with so many people about this about this show? You know I mean when I said out we set out to make this series Rebecca I. We were fascinated with this sort. Best in show grizzly man aspect of people that keep exotic animals. More the pathology behind you know why people are so attracted to keeping tigers and and chimps and primates and reptiles and we looked at the whole cast a we cast a wide net initially and then honed in the cow world. Due to certain circumstances I would say person forms the characters and then of course we stumbled upon this incredible story unbeknownst to us that Joe allegedly wanted to kill a cow baskin and tried to kill Carol. And so you know and it was bizarre because contemporaneous with Phil I get the store I mean. The characters are really amazing. I mean you know is Joe Exotic for real. I mean that's really him. You could see parallels between Joe at our current president. They both rapper. President Magin if Joe had become president no you. Can't you know you can't make these people up? You know Kamien how can you you know I think if we pitched this as a scripted series or scripted feature it people would throw this back in our face because it is unbelievable. How can you have characters like this is? This is not possible. Truly reality stranger-than-fiction are all these people the characters good and evil or any of them purely good or purely be considered that I mean look. I don't think anybody is purely evil there's always shades of gray in Joe's case. You know there was still have a lot of empathy for Gile and there were so many wonderful aspects to Joe. You know you got to love a openly gay mullet wearing flamboyant country singing man Red State. Oklahoma on the flipside. Joe You know along with a lot of these other characters created their own little universe on a little worlds and ultimately they played by their own rules and as as I love people that are obsessed with things and live outside of mainstream society as it was almost coal to chip cultish and Joe ultimately played by his own rules and and really was his own worst enemy in the end. I don't know if that answers your question. But so so joe's in jail and prison he's got like a twenty year sentence or something like that and I read that you thought that was maybe a little too long you know. Look you've got a twenty two year set in these fifty seven years old so effectively. He'd be eighty when he gets out. He doesn't have good health. Joe Did horrible things to both animals and I think to people and should be punished. I think Punished although I think our criminal justice system is sometimes only about putative being punitive and not being reformed event so I. I would wish that Joe wouldn't spend the rest of his life in prison. But it's not really for me to. Saad ad settling in what is net flicks have to say you eric. I mean they must be pretty damn happy right. I think they're happy so have they asked you to do another war. I mean you know. What's next for Eric? Good I know I will say this. You know my current business. Hotels and restaurants is not the business obviously at the moment. So maybe this'll send me in a new direction making documentaries I think a lot of Americans hope so and finally have you like the rest of us just thought about or or actually saying I saw Tiger. And can you maybe do one with me? 'cause I sing that. Yeah Yeah I saw. I'm not GonNa do that for you but I'll do a lot of things corey but I want to hear me singing either. Go ahead to sing that. What was I going to say? No I think I can sing. Scratch cat scratch fever. Better are we're going to have to probably do that in another timer. Leave it at that. Eric good producer and director of Tiger Kings. So great to see congratulations on an awesome show can thank you very much.

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Tiger King is Wack & We Have Some THOUGHTS

Sierra Unfiltered

1:41:59 hr | 4 months ago

Tiger King is Wack & We Have Some THOUGHTS

"Pop The popcorn put on your comfy is pajamas and grab a drink because it's time for a new episode of Sierra unfiltered. Hello everyone and welcome back to episode thirty three. I think of Sierra unfiltered. We've got Schuyler here again on a virtual hang out thing friend. That makes me sound like such. I'm going to say an old lady because I know some people don't like when people make fun of boomers but I was going to say that makes me sound like such a boomer. Were on that I feel I mean I guess this is maybe a hot take. I feel like it's okay to make fun of boomers also make fun of millennials and Gen Z. And I think Milo is generation Alpha or something. I don't know I agree. I think as a millennial hit me with the millennial jokes tell me that I have avocado toast every day and Yada Yada Yada like tell me it's fine but then you also got to be okay with me making fun of everyone else like I agree that if you only make fun of the boomers then that's bullying. That's not okay to make fun of yourself to be in on the joke. You gotTa dish out the jokes of your generation. You gotta take him great well before we get into our hot takes. There is a very pressing absolutely pressing piece of news that we have to talk about and that is Schuyler having her first white claw. Okay so I knew we were going to do this. And I thought that's what you were saying. And then you started saying that it was news and then I thought you were going to give me some news. And I didn't know what it could be. And Wow that was a roller coaster ride depresses. The most important thing right now is Schuyler having her first taste of white clo. Yes okay all right. I'm excited. I told her we were like facetime. Ing for two seconds briefly to get this call started. I didn't really know what flavor to pick. We had lime in our fridge. Because Kyle will drink all the flavors. But I'm not really lime person so I put Pitch Black Cherry. I don't really know but I have it here. I am ready. I'm so excited. I here's the thing I I don't drink white claws much as I used to just because I really stopped drinking when we started trying and now just on occasion. When I'm not in my two week. Wait we'll have a beverage but Schuyler texted me today and she was like. Hey do you wanna have a glass of wine on the podcast and at the same exact time after I had said? Yeah let's do it. I was typing. I might have a white claw. Maybe you should could have a drink of one for the first time on the podcast. And she typed. Oh my gosh. Should I have a white cloth for the first time podcasts? Where Justin Sink? Even though we're social distancing our brains are not they're still interconnected sister sister are I just to clarify. Were not sisters. Though I feel people make that mess up a lot or not mess up. They just get confused and I get it. We're both like I don't know we kind of looked like can we kinda talk like and but not sister. I feel like you would definitely be the older sister who was like not only older in age but also just like three hundred times more mature and always clean up the like physical and metaphorical masses that the younger sister makes about that. I was with you because I'm the oldest of siblings and you're the middle child so I feel that dynamic works I have to clean up your messes really you of your stuff together another house and you've got it going girl. Well maybe needed to my own horn a little bit more but I I am. I am a hot mess. That used to be my nickname in theater was hot mess hotman. Yeah that's what brand used to call me. He'd be like hey hot mess over here. Is that nickname again or is that like like. Did he call you that enough to where it was your nickname? I mean he called. There was like three of us who he would call hot messes but like if he said hot mess. I would turn. I had an and respond. I mean I love that free all right. We're building so much tension. Are you ready okay? So I haven't even. I was debating cracking open beforehand just to like get a taste. I didn't go. So are you ready everyone so I pumped for this? Oh okay so also. I don't really know the proper white cloth etiquette. I feel like you just drink it out of the can but I know I enjoy drinks a lot more when they're over ice. So I- prepped. A Cup of ice deported is that blasphemous adult totally acceptable. The only rule whatever container. You WanNA drink out of totally fine. The only white cloth etiquette is before you take a set. You have to say ain't no laws when you're drinking clause what Sarah there ain't no laws when you're drinking clause baby. I waited for this moment. Cheers cheers while. What are you drinking a white cloth White Club? What are you drinking a white cloth? And what are you drinking listeners? At home let us know in the comments. I mean selling Sierra. This is the first time I've ever drank on the podcast because when we started the podcast I was pregnant and had it announced it yet and then I was pregnant the whole time. We were filming but also we always film at Sierras House. I'm not going to have a drink and then drive home so even once quarantines over and we go back to filming in Your Studio. I won't be drinking right unless Kyle like drives me so. This is a very exciting day. I'm so excited. Give us your first also. I've only had like two drinks since post-partum so I'm probably only going to drink a little bit of this that way. I don't get tips about Tiger King. Okay ready everyone. We're ready that's actually pretty delicious. It's a lot more flavorful than I thought like. I I like it. I don't like Lacroix. I don't like bubbly. I think I went through a phase where I tried to convince myself that I do but I really don't so I was kind of expecting this to be the same I. I heard someone tweet months. I heard someone tweet choir. I saw someone tweet once that having Lacroix's like someone whispering in the other room the flavor of it like and I feel like I like flavors Kinda like days. Yeah and so. I was expecting that but it tastes like Black Cherry. And I'm excited. Are you just saying that to not hurt my feelings? I'm not saying that I feel like the more I drink it the more I like that. I'm glad I went with the Black Cherry. 'cause I'm a big Shirley temple fan and it kind of tastes like Grenadine and vodka. Yes like that's my book. All right I you know what I always forget to say this at the beginning of the episode and I just remembered. I'm GonNa say it now. If you are watching this on Youtube or listening to this on Apple podcasts spotify. It helps us out a ton if you subscribe subscribers are such an important metric for pretty much any podcast or youtuber. You Watch or even show that you watch. It really helps us out and It's a great way to support us. And it's free so if you want to subscribe to us on Youtube for the video version subscribed to us an apple podcasts. If you WANNA give us a rating on Apple podcasts. We would love that and we really appreciate that. So thank you guys speaking of which another way in which you connect can connect with us especially connect with Sierra. Is Her new confident in kind platform to talk about it a little bit because it's launch since we last podcast yes so. We launched the confident kind facebook group. Which I for a long time have really wanted a place. Where like not only I can connect with you guys but you guys can connect with each other because one of my favorite things is when in the comments of one of my youtube videos. There's like threads of people encouraging each other but it doesn't feel as personal when it's on Youtube because most people don't have a youtube channel where you can go and see what they're about and see who they are and what their story is so. It's kind of like a a one time you know you got this. Sir Your beautiful or you don't have to worry about that or whatever and so. I've thought about like my everyone at Youtube is really pushing the youtube memberships right now. So when I had expressed this idea my a lot of the people who work with channel and help my channel were like you should do memberships. Make it a membership thing. Then you can have this community in charge people for ninety nine or three ninety nine or you can do patriarch or some sort of like pay platform for that. And I really wanted it to be free because I. I don't think I need to charge for that. I think I I make enough from Youtube ads and sponsorships to sustain my channel and my team. I don't need to pay for. I don't need people to pay to have a place to talk. I wanted it to be free so Jessica actually suggested during a facebook group and we took it from there so very excited that it is here and we can all chat and hang out and encourage each other and we're still tweaking it still figuring out the best way to moderate and keep everything really positive and helpful and fun But it's been really fun and I thought it was so sweet that you joined to. Oh my gosh and kyle everyone. I'm all like it's so it's so so awesome. I just I'm so proud of you and I feel like it's I saw the other day that there was like a thread going of positive comments about you. It was like comment like a fact about Sierra. Don't do them all tag. You and I was reading through it and I was like so sweet and those scrolling through and then there was one about me and I just started bawling. I was all gone and read. This people are so nice. I'm GONNA try off thread about you on their tonight. I'm going to be like everyone. Comic gossip their main method. You're all I heard you feel pretty positively about Schuyler on here let me spill some spill. Some T. it'll be like gossip girl. I'll be like ask was spotted on the podcast shrinking of black cherry white claw or it. Could you could just like Photoshop. Me Into that page from the burn but this is the NASTIEST GEIC BID. I have ever met. Do Not Trust her. That love that for. How is that not in our French? Not more of a mean like people just noting the new gossip girl me the GOS-. I'm sorry I keep interrupting. I try so hard not to interrupt you so excited to talk to you too. What have we? We had to face time before this just to get everything set up and we kept talking and then being like we know it shouldn't say that we should wait till the podcast because it yes our default is just to spill our guts and talk about everything that's been going on in a specially feel like. I always want to catch up with you but they feel like I want to save some stuff for the podcast to talk about 'cause like if I wanted to talk to you about something with Tiger King. I'm not going to text you or like with listen to your heart because we're probably going to talk about it and I feel like the only adult that I get to talk to his Kyle. And he works nine to five. So I'm really just talking to my L- like all day. Who's a baby? And so I feel like I am so excited to have adult conversation. Now the I love talking Goo Goo Gaga but to just sit there with my loan. You're like did you watch the new episode of Tiger King. Sometimes Kyle will call me out. Start talking about really weird things because it's basically like I'm just talking to myself all day. Talking is such a good way for him to obviously be an early. Talker is if I'm communicating with him. Want to keep me back to me. It's the same thing with like sticky my tongue out of him and whatever but so it's just me talking to myself and like. I don't have anything going on in my life really because it's not like I can be like. Oh let's talk about last weekend. We went to Disneyland Right. So it's just like the weird stuff in the back of my brain. I would love for that to be a podcast episode. Just all the weird selfish Schuyler said to her baby this week about that but this whole episode is going to be about Tiger King We were actually GONNA on this podcast a couple days ago but we wanted to wait until the new episode came out because they I put episode in quotations. Because I don't know about you but I was kind of disappointed in the new episode. I think the thing is and I'm sure we'll get into it more later. I feel like their world is so crazy that they were saying crazy things but it didn't feel crazy. Does that make sense? How many times can I say crazy in the sentence? Do you know who was the host? Who was that Guy Oh my Gosh Joel. Mchale what is he like who is he? What is okay so back in? Like two thousand nine ish. He hosted a show called the soup. Do you remember that at all? It was kind of like gossipy. It was like E. News but like a guy hosting it. Kinda like Sassy kind of your every man so did before watching watching this. Because you knew he was before and I didn't. Did you have positive opinions of Him Wilson? That's the thing I I mean. I didn't like him but I was. I can have extremely positive feelings like he just to me. He's like he's Chris. Harrison was before I started getting into the bachelor like I knew he existed. Wasn't going to be like. Oh my God Chris Harrison. But I don't know but I feel like he did a pretty good job moderating see I disagree and we'll get into that but I did not like him like half. My notes about new episode are like. Why did this host asked this question? This is so annoying way. That's so good so excited but we both rewatch tiger king and then watch episode and because I feel like I don't know about you but the first time I watched it it was just like a binge whirlwind like what the heck is going on. I have no idea what this is. This is crazy all these twists and turns and this time that I watched it. I had a different perspective because I knew what was going to happen. Go ahead well and also there were a lot of things that I feel like. I misinterpreted the first time like in the first episode of the casually dropped. That Joe is in jail for the murder of Carol Baskin or for attempted murder or whatever but to me the first time I was watching it. She's dead yet. Sky watched the entire waiting for that to happen and then it didn't happen and so obviously it was like a huge thing when he got arrested. Still but I was just waiting for her to die she did it and I felt like a little bit. I don't know I feel like now this time watching it. I know the outcome and so I was able to go into it knowing exactly what happens right right I. I'm very excited to get into this. I think. Do you have a hot take today to? I do have okay. Let's take some wall jumping but Geiger Gig. So my heartache is that you should leave haircuts and hair dying to the professor. I know that it can coming from the girl who died her hair. Multiple colors in her mom's bathroom with me. Yes it's my hair has been not every color of the rainbow but like every color of the neutral rainbow. Yeah and had like pink in my hair and blue whatever. But I've been red and blond in background say that you are more qualified to speak on this than almost anyone because I most people. Who have that hot take our like hairdressers or like are like very uppity very against box is but you have been so you go girl. I've been listening to this. No I'm interrupting you. I'm just so passionate. Because so the thing is you shouldn't die your hair at home like that if if you have to like go to Sally beauty supply. Don't just buy a box die from like target or Walmart like at least go and get developer and get toner and your application might not be as good but at least the product. You're putting on your hair or more tailored to like what you need because like you'll need a different developer depending on how dark your hair is Yada. Yada Yada but the main thing I'm GONNA push is we're in quarantine right now and I've seen a lot of people posting that they're dying their hair and I've seen a lot of guys saying they need haircuts and I have cut kyle's hair before but it was when we were watching a lot of queer and so I feel like I like second hand like I picked up on Jonathan's techniques also. I didn't have a baby so I watch like a lot of youtube videos and like a lot of research on pinterest and today he came to me and was like hey remember when you cut my hair could forget but now I have a baby so you don't have time to do research. So we just like brought down his clippers and I just started shaving his head and then the clippers died halfway through so now kyle so very pictures literally sugars and like the the issue is is that I went into. It was such confidence because I had done it successfully before. So I literally like I had impose put like acute felt like a boomerang of him and I just saved it so okay like Bisbee my before and then everyone would be impressed like such a good hairdresser at the after. Now no like. I'm sorry Kyle. I know you're listening to this. And I know you're offended at me saying that. Your hair is botched. The plan is for me to fix it tomorrow when this clippers are charged you know regular but I'm really hoping he doesn't have like a skype call or something tomorrow because we're a little funky colleen de Cebu at your indoors in your kitchen but so that's also side. No I have ruined my hair from box tying it for so many years when it's been a long time since you've even died at all right. Yeah but I feel like it's real. You have the last time I dyed my hair was. I've gone to the same hairdresser for the last couple of years. It has gotten progressively better. Because she's the best and so. I only get my hair dyed like once a year. Maybe and I just get highlights and that's it but I cut my hair short so long ago and my hair is still like to hear just because it's forever. I feel like kind of damage. So don't box dye your hair at home. See and that's coming from like a privileged place. I'm not saying like Oh you have to go to like a couple of hundred dollars salon. Because that's the only way to do it. No I have box dyed my hair so much at home. I've been there and like here's Yeah I somewhat agree somewhat disagree. I think there I would agree with that. But with some exceptions I think I think if your kid is like I don't know under the age of like two or three and you want to give them a haircut at home. It's probably go for it. I think totally if you are a team like a middle schooler and that's center. That's literally I was going to. We'll see if we have the same thing if you're let's say under seventeen or eighteen don't cut your hair because it's not gonna go well coming from someone who's done it but here at Taylor. My little sister called me the other day saying that she wants to cut her into a Pixie. Cut Her like yes. I'm like you're in high school you're in quarantine you're really gonNA come back with no hairdressing experience having like shaved your head and done a Pixie cut. See I do think a Pixie cut would look great on her but you got to get it get it done. Get it done by if you are under the age of seventeen or eighteen. We'll we'll say between the ages of twelve and eighteen and you WANNA die your hair painter blue or whatever go for it because you don't start with the end for the underlying underlying with a little bit. It's it might. It's not gonNA look great going to be honest. Probably not but it doesn't matter because you're a teenager and now is the time to dye your hair pink if you want to. And now is the time to give yourself kind of bad-looking highlights if you want to so. I have no regrets for the Times that I bleached my hair and then died it. Blew in your mom's bathroom. My only regret is the time that we got the die everywhere and ruined your mountains bathroom. Also I thought of another thing I've also cut front banks so like I really have been at the lowest of lows when it comes to doing your own hair. I'm not if you have if you're dying your hair pink this weekend by yourself. I'm not shaming you. I'm just saying maybe do a little research. That's all because Kyle's hair is a little botch and it's my fault. Do you have a hot tape? Okay I have a lukewarm take and it's more just like okay here's my thing. I an annoying person but I don't think I get annoyed easily because I'm annoying like chipper white clock up so I am aware that I'm I'm kind of annoying. It's fine I know myself I know everyone. It's no big deal so I think because of that. My tolerance for being annoyed is relatively high like I don't get annoyed that easily. There's something that annoys me more than anything and any of you guys. Can I guess yes no? Continue sorry interrupting. I'm just so excited to talk. I interrupted you so much in my head. I'm like all the comments are going to be like talking over thinking. We'll talk over each other guys. Neither of US are offended. We just really love each other. Really WanNa talk so this is my first drinking a long time so I'm reading Metoo so there's not a lot of things annoy me. You know there are some things I've talked about before. My pet peeves like mumbling or people not using their blinkers like those kind of things. There's something that annoys me so much. And that is when someone posts a screen shot and people reply to it and shame them for their battery level on their phone Stephen to the other day. I aware that my phone is on red. I'm aware that my phone five percent. I posted a screen shot. I do not need to go through my. Dm's at every reply character. Pound Chart. I know I need to charge my phone. I I know Stephen to that in the group that the other day and it was all. I literally have a baby on my boob really charter. What an asshole. We Shamed Kyle botch haircut nor Shaving Stephen. For breastfeeding shaming me. But I just getting my thing is. It's like anyone who listening to this. Who IS DEEMED TO BE? Your replied to. My tweets saying charger pound. I don't hate you. I promise. Just being dramatic but knock it off. I I get it I get it girl. I used to be like my phone. Never died like I feel like that was kind of a source of pride for me. Was that like I'm a reliable person. I always have my phone charge. I always have extra snacks like like the Mary poppins of being prepared and having my phone charge but nowadays my phone dies like ten times a day. Because I'm always on right because I'm like breastfeeding in. He'll fall asleep and I am just sitting there like I can't like go and get a book I can't go and like turn on the TV or do anything. And so I feel like I'm just always on my phone. Not Having it plugged in and phone is always dying. Now you and so I relate to you you know what you absolutely need. And if you don't end up getting one of these. I'm totally getting you want for Christmas. Is Apple makes fast chargers that can charge your phone it from zero to twenty percent in five minutes. And they're just a a little bit more expensive than regular charger and they look a little bit different and I now almost exclusively used fast chargers because all look at my phone it'll be at six percent. I'm like I WANNA go on a hike. I don't WanNa wait thirty minutes from my phone to charge. Pop It on the fast charger. I can leave in five ten minutes. That's not what I thought you were GONNA say. I'm so into that. I should get like a big like charging king for my phone and I was GonNa say you know. I'm not going to have like a gigantic black charging case. No it's too fast. Chargers are white. Don't worry they're they're very plain all also. Can I just say on the record? I don't hate color. I feel like until I was a mom. I never got mediums and now get mediums a lot saying that like I hate color. The MOM shaming needs to stop that can also be my heartache. That was almost going to be my hot take and then I bought kyle haircut and so then the mom shaming just needs to stop. Everyone's navigating parenting in their own way and figuring it out and has different beliefs and different opinions and different things that work so if scholars nursery will milos nursery Schuyler. The nursery Schuyler made for Milo is of muted tones. That's fine that's also. Do People think that like what I post on Instagram? All that's in my house like he has books. He has toys that are like in bins and in the closet and all oh I just forgot just just in just yeah but so anyways for the record I do love white. I do love neutral colors. That's what most of my home is but also there. I love color. I'm wearing a color right now. They go break in the row on the record are the next me about it. I'll be like watch. This episode of Sierra unfiltered timestamped twenty-three or whatever Ho- gosh should we get into the Tiger King Madman shut but before we do let me tell you guys a little bit about this podcast sponsor and that is our friends over at Hash out? We absolutely love cash out. 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Sure that sounds great First thing like you said hundred percent. They need more trigger warnings. I wrote that down. For what episode is that episode? Five whitten was the one where travis his husband died? Yes I the first time I watched it. I absolutely did not see that coming. I was incredibly affected. I had deposit turn it off. It's it's not graphic in the sense that you see it happened but you see someone's reaction to the death which and there was no contact warning no trigger warning. No nothing absolutely no. It wasn't a reenactment. It was actual security footage. I am shocked that there. I mean there were some other spots that I thought needed trigger winnings that in particular. I completely agree. I think that there were. I got a lot of messages when we had talked about tiger king being like. I'm surprised you like that. There's so much animal abuse and there's a lot of like me shown and like all the gross trucks from Walmart coming and violence and whatever but I feel like that's kind of what you expect when you go into the show like if you do any research you'll know that it's about a guy who has animals and very small cages and that they aren't being treated humanely and that's kind of like the whole the whole series is about like what is treating these animals or who is treating these animals humanely because Carol Basson claims she is but she's not and so. I think that I already expected that going in like I expected there to be made my heart hurt but I wasn't expecting to see someone literally commit suicide on camera. Yep that was a lot and I my on my Second Watch through. I just get pass it. Yeah no totally it. It was really really shocking and then also in the post the Post interview post episode. Whatever you WANNA call it when the campaign the campaign manager. Yeah was talking about it. He was also talking about it in such graphic detail. Yeah like that shook me up to and that was even just hearing about it like I was yeah. It was a lot one of the things that I wrote down for the last episode about Josh. The campaign manager was. He said that he still has not had counseling from that situation. Travis and he feels like he needs it and he wasn't able to get it when that happened he didn't work through that and saving up to have some counseling now. I I cannot believe that he was willing to have counselling was open to it and no one in that facility. He was living at the GW. Zoo stepped in and said. Hey were you know this happened on our grounds and you were there and that must have been very traumatic and we would like to set you up with a counselor. Yes I mean. I literally have goosebumps of you talking about it. I mean they also said that. Joe Never got therapy that he went to a shaman. Didn't get any sort of counseling by also down that they pay their employees one dollar and fifty five cents an hour. So it's kind of like I just. It's one of those things we'll but Carol. Baskin only has volunteers. Yes okay so let me back up a little bit because I had a couple more overall notes before we dive too much until like the specifics. Okay I kind of big bullet point. The very top of my notes is it's these people seem like characters and the scenes fictionalized and I think on my I watched through. I almost forgot and I think I did forget that. These are real people and because it's so ridiculous it's so outlandish. It seems like Carol Baskin and Joe Exotic and Josh. The campaign manager and the reality show producer. All these people they seem like characters but they are at the end of the day. These are real people. Well I think the big thing without to is like trust me I think the memes and the tick talks are as funny as anyone but like Carol Baskin is a person and she still out there and like I'm team Carol. Baskin definitely killed her husband but she hasn't been convicted of it into what if she did it right and then like the whole world is just like hating on her and saying such horrible things and making very graphic jokes and I mean she already went through so much with Joe like bullying her online in real life about it and so it's one of those things where if I had to make a judgment call on it I would say the evidence points to that. She probably killed her husband but she hasn't been convicted and she's a free woman living out there and I think sometimes it's hard to remember that these are real. People like ghetto is in jail. These people are still working will they? Aren't working at GW zoo anymore. But they're trying to open up a New Zealand. I think is what they said. Yeah but it is so wild. These are real people. I think I totally did the same. Kind of disassociated thing the first time I watched it where it was like almost cartoonish yes I think like. I wound up kind of liking. Joe Is like I have a hard time with like regular zoos that are on front office and guns in all of these things and so it is so interesting. How the wave of the show was produced made. These people seem not only like characteristic also made them seem very likeable in their quirks. Yeah I I think the set my second watched through. I definitely tried to look at remember that these are all real people mom end. The other thing is yes. All of these care characters. These people that are shown are flawed. Did Carol Baskin. Kill her husband. Maybe I can't say I'll I'll as it deals like she did. The memes are very funny and I will laugh at the memes but I think there also needs to be sit. We need to keep some sort of humanity and remembering that Carol Basket. Can you imagine if someone put a hit on you like that? Regardless of what she did or didn't do like that is awful and I feel so sad for her that she had to go through that like just like the online bullying and even them showing up to her place of work and I mean there was that whole scene where he was like in the debt rabbit costume and they had protesters out front. Snee- I'm in her mailbox like just so many graphic images of him shooting blow up dolls. That looked like her and it was truly disgusting. Like she what she was doing at her like big cat rescue to me was not ethical. Like it was not okay. It's not good to keep cats in that small cages by also. If someone were to do to me or to you or to anyone I know what he was doing to her. I would be working full force to get that person in jail. Oh that is scary and horrifying. I think it's like Stalker Ish. Like his obsession with her. It's a lot. Yeah absolutely my last kind of overarching thing before. Well two last things before we get into kind of my episode by episode and then skyler thoughts through it as as well. I the most impressive part is that when they started filming this documented documentary. They had no idea what it was going to be cotton. They started filming this thinking. It was about this crazy community. And all this drama of people who have these big cats and then it became a whole `nother thing about lawsuits and murder-for-hire and running for president like it is crazy that when they started filming this when they started filming it what they probably thought it was going to be too where what it actually ended up being. I know we're not the producer was again. I always forget to town the producer with the big hat who smokes rick. Yes he is I I feel like he is like almost the most characteristic of them all like when they would cut to him the even just like this scene that he was being shot in looked like it was like very production designed. You looked like he was like a narrator and he was for the point of the story but I think it was hard for me to remember that he was a real person until I was watching the end. Where he's like. I live in Norway now and I'm a real person who has real thoughts. Yeah and this isn't what I signed up for. The next thing I had written was this is so American in a way this whole documentary but also so not the America that I know and live in southern California bubble like I was listening to the Jenin. Julian podcast on this episode are on the documentary and they were talking about like this is so this. I can't believe this happened in. America seem so like four in and I can't believe this is in the country we live in and I do disagree with that a little bit because this this is kind of American the idea. What other country doesn't seem like? It said like the idea that someone can go to Walmart and buy that you would need to blow up your assets so that someone else can't sue you for them. While owning a bunch of tigers in your yard is is kind of American in a really messed up way. Yeah I mean I just I I mean. I don't know how much you want to get into your take gun all of that but for me. I just I feel so anti gun anti all of that and so I feel like that was also a really weird layer for me to watch and again I expected that and so especially the second time. It didn't bother me nearly as much but just seeing these people with these like weapons of mass destruction who are very clearly not mentally stable going around and threatening people and putting hits out on people while having weapons that they bought legally in America which is like upsetting to me personally. I think playing devil's advocate a lot. Just because I feel like my views on like animals being in captivity had meat and all of that is such a kind of like important thing to me. I feel like if he owned one tiger. I wouldn't have as much of an issue with it like people I feel more bad for the or I feel equally as bad for the animals that were constantly being fed to the Tigers. That were just coming off of the Walmart meat trucks that I'm sure were being raised in horrible conditions. And Kyle's getting home hanging out by. I feel equally as bad for those animals. You know and I think that a lot of times because like tigers are beautiful in their these majestic creatures that it's kind of this like pulling it's kind of like we've talked about like the Turtle Straw issue of like I agree. We shouldn't use straws but people are more passionate about the straw issue because turtles are tied to it whereas like plastic bags and like. I don't know all the plastic that we normally get with our groceries or even a plastic cup that you're typically comes in isn't as important to people if that makes sense right. I think like my main issue where it kind of sways is when at the very end. What was the first guys name? He had like the NEON signs behind him with a long blonde hair. Oh I wrote. I wrote down all the names hold on the blond guy. Was Eric when Eric was talking. About how like? He loves tiger so much but he was the one who would have to go out and kill them and then Joel. Mchale asked he was like. Oh so is there something medically wrong where that has to happen? He was all you would think. And it just like they were killing tigers to make more room for breeding just and so. I think that's where my biggest issue comes in. I think if he just owned a couple tigers that would still be bad. And I still wouldn't be okay with it. But it's like the constant breeding and killing animals so that other animals can exist and be sold off like that's where it becomes a huge issue for me. Yeah I got and it is a very interesting thing to think about. I think the the whole cub padding thing was so interesting because the whole idea was. These tigers are so valuable when they're so small because people want pictures next to a baby tiger and there's this thing that is so cute and you know will grow up to be this thing that could rip your arm off and so there's this only this period only about twelve weeks where these tiger cubs are so valuable and I think I wrote it down at one point but he said something that you can get like one hundred thousand dollars from Thai profit from Tiger in that first twelve weeks because people want to pay to play with them and pet them and all of that. And it's it. It's so interesting to me that that became that once the tiger pass that twelve weeks then became a liability because it costs more to keep it alive than it did that. You can make profit off of it. Well that's what that one wife was saying was that was pretty much her tipping point when she had formed such a strong bond with one of the baby tigers and then she was like pretty certain that he had just gone out in the back and killed it and that he had been doing doc antle to so many of the other tigers which. I we can skip around a little bit but I think doc antle is the worst person in this whole documentary and that's saying a lot because there are some shitty people this documentary. That's so funny see. I don't I don't know if I agree but I think it's because I've come to the realization and stay with me folks. I I think that I would join a colt. If I was looking at different if I was in a different place my situation was a little different. I think what does candle was doing was horrible just as bad as Joe Exotic but I could see myself falling into that kind of lifestyle like. Don't you think like I feel like I'm kind of gullible? I don't like I assume the pet like I feel like you'd be like Oh. Yeah my favorite wife. I'd be like really means it. I need to work every day all day so that I can be the favorite wife. Yes they're baby animals and you feel like you can't leave because you have connections with the animals like I feel like I could see myself falling into that and I feel like he was had no I really. He wasn't. He was still just as bad to the animals but I feel like he wasn't as bad to be ever humans wives he wasn't like putting out hits on People. I don't know see. I think he's the worst because he not only was doing all the horrible. You know animal abuse and neglect and using these animals for profit and then getting rid of them but he was also and you know just being awful to these women and really going after young young women bringing them in totally taking advantage of them. I let me. I'll go down to those notes. Okay so I wrote in about episodes you doc antle. The actual worst the Myrtle beach safari has also collaborated with a ton of youtubers. Which I didn't know that I did. Some T T T so. Oh my God. He did a video with Logan. Paul which is not that surprising. Because it's Logan Paul right but I don't know if I'm going to be some. Oh I saw on. I feel like I know who you're going to say really okay. I feel like twilight sat out all right so I was. I was on my explore. Page a couple of days after I watched tiger for the first time and I was getting a bunch of like tiger team memes and south and all of a sudden. I saw this photo from an account. I didn't follow. I'm getting hot and like my heart's racing because I don't like calling people out but I saw this posts of these four people holding tiger and a swimming pool and I recognize one of them but I didn't recognize the other three and I clicked on the account and it was a youtuber. I need this. I hit to so much. Who has a couple's blog channel with a girl? I had seen a couple of her videos before so I recognized her and their channel is called Jaydee logs and he posted a photo of them at Myrtle. Beach Safari were. They did like a collaboration with them. I'm like my heart being so fast. I'm writing down. I can look it up later. And so it's this photo of the couple. That has the blog channel in two other people and they posted on April Second. So it was like a throwback because tiger king was going so viral and as soon as. I saw this post. I was like wait. They're literally at Myrtle beach safari tagging this place. That just totally got slammed in this documentary and I click on the comments and they're all positive. No one is like. Hey maybe you shouldn't support that plays. They're like hey where they sponsored. This post was not sponsored but I went back and found the log on their channel of them going there and it seemed like it was not necessarily sponsored but like maybe they did some sort of collaboration with them and every single comment is just. Oh my Gosh I love you guys. You guys are my favorite detonated it out. And they have like a big channel with two million subscribers and I click on that video where they're literally swimming tigers and at the Myrtle beach safari with Duck. Antle all positive. No no no one was calling them out and it made me think how many youtubers are showing this to their audience. Going to not even necessarily doc antos place in that myrtle beach safari but places like that so that they can get a coup last picture with tiger and then everyone who follows them just goes that look so cool. I should do that too. Like how has no one? I'm so hot 'cause I hate. I'm like so nervous about. I love this but I how can you that? And and it's not even like think they did that months ago and then this all came out and they had no idea how bad it was there but they literally posted that as like a throwback after everything happened. So I'm guessing that the Myrtle beach safari probably has a great social media team who collaborates with a ton of youtubers because those were just the two that I saw all right off. The Bat was Logan Paul Couples blog channel. So there's a whole other side of this that involves youtubers working with these places so that they can get a cool video of swimming with Tiger and doing this and that and Oh yeah that's disgusting. I see what I thought you were going to say. And I won't say people's names because I didn't fact check and I don't know but I thought you were going to bring up. I've seen a lot of beauty. Gurus in lifestyle influencers who go on brand trips or just going international trips and then post these like amazing photos with these crazy animals and I mean who knows what kind of conditions. Those animals are being captain and so. I didn't know if it was like one of those people who I've seen in the past post pictures with exotic animals at like not petting zoos. But essentially what does Cantwell's places so? I didn't know if it was one of them. I wouldn't be totally shocked if some of those girls also have pictures there. I I think there's this whole aspect of social media that leads to people wanting to go to places like that where there was the whole thing that Jeff Low talked about. Everyone wants Tiger Southie on their dating APP. Because it makes you who'll in dangerous and I'm not like other girls in the Senate and I I think social media drives those kind of places to say okay The biggest profit we can make is breeding baby tigers and then having people come take pictures for them and having youtubers calm and film with them and all this crazy stuff and I didn't I can see the appeal. What I WANNA a baby tiger. Of course I WOULD. Who wouldn't want pedal baby tiger but I think it's understanding that like for you to get the opportunity to pet a baby tiger. There's a lot of bad stuff that has to go on for that to be attainable for you and so well maybe not happy. It isn't want to take us with you. It was probably ripped away from its mother. It's probably like separated from everyone. That's probably fed not enough for really inadequate food. Like it's not like you're taking a picture of his baby tiger and the baby tigers so excited. Yeah like it's essentially tortured. Yeah and it's all about well you know. I'm sure they would tell you when you go to a place like that like Oh you know. The Tigers need to be socialized. And so you're helping them and we're educating and education is really important to get people to care about the rainforests at care about extinction and those are true. Some of those are true things but there are other ways to get people to care about animals and to care about and to be educated about them. That don't include putting tiger at a mall or swimming. That's Carole Go. I mean as Carol Bash Carol Baskin's whole Shtick is like that. She's like helping by advocating. She can't these tigers. These are still have to be in cages. 'cause they wouldn't survive but like that's what she gets all. These volunteers is because she's educating and socializing and she's doing all of these like high and mighty things when in reality her facility is just as bad. I wrote down another thing about that. Which so the San Diego's Safari Park? Which is one of the top zoological societies in the World? Easy accredited nonprofit a really great organization. I think they have four tigers. And they have this massive multi-million dollar enclosure Also there helping a lot with extinction. Yes right and they're helping a lot with conservation and education and all that so. The San Diego Zoo has four tigers. How the heck did Joe Exotic have like forty like how? Why is it that this very legitimate zoo has four? Which I think they don't need more than four. You can have four tigers than those can be. The animal ambassadors the educate people and. They have as good of an enclosure as they can get. Still not as good as the wild but how can they have four? Joe Exotic has like forty well. What was so interesting was in the Post interview? They were saying that apparently joe is afraid of tigers. He's afraid of big cats. I just I feel like there is a lie going on in the big cat community. I think a lot of it's driven by money. That people know that big cats make money and they want money but also from what I've seen none of them are living lavish lives like I feel. Like if any like doc or carol or Joe I mean I guess Jeff kind of lives like a more lavish life but you feel you have any of those people had like gigantic mansions and crazy cars. That they would show it taking jeff out the picture. I feel like those three live pretty like moderate lives. Yeah no weird when you don't have passion for the Tigers you're afraid of them. I also I believe that Carol has some she believed. I think that Carol believes that what she's doing is right agree and I think Carol does Genu from what I got from the documentary. She genuinely does care. I think I have a more positive opinion of Carol Baskin than the average person but a great I agree. Yup we can get into that another thing I wrote down was I read an article about Carol's response to all of this. And apparently the the producers and the director of the documentary explained it to her like this was they told her it was gonna be the blackfish of big cats and it was a hit piece on Joe Exotic and you know she should come on and be this voice of reason of you know. Here's why what they're doing is wrong. And all of that. I can't imagine her thinking that she's involved in the blackfish of big cats and then watching the documentary come out and realizing it is nothing of the sort I mean that was like we are skipping around but I think that's all right. I feel like that was one of the most interesting parts of the like end interview. Recap was seeing when how and even if people watched it because the first guy seems Eric. He said he didn't watch it. I don't have time. It would just so fascinating especially because he meant he. I mean he didn't get all these accolades but people are like asking for Selfie some Walmart and he's famous network. He understands that it's like such a huge thing that he I'm sure they sent out like a nice camera. They got him all set up to do that interview and he still didn't watch or he claims he didn't watch it. I believe he didn't watch it. He was not my one of my favorite little moments in tiger. King was when they're asking everyone. How many wives DOC antle has and they ask him and he just goes. I don't care if it's like bad to say but I used to have a guy who was by like Lighting Design Assistant Multiple Times at the Community College. I went to and he reminds me so much of him. I have such a positive association with that guy because like he's great. He lives in a van. Now does like van life stuff but he has like long flowing hair and just kind of has like I. Don't give a shit attitude about every think it was so comical to me. But that's like who he was like he would talk about seven he would just be like. I don't care and I would laugh because I care so much thinking that he was joking and then he never was joking and I feel like that's how I feel about Eric I. I don't think that's an insult to your lighting design. Because I would venture to say the Eric. One of the more likeable people in Agree Tiger King. Okay I'M GOING TO FAST. Skip through some of my because I took a lot of notes Okay I wrote his music videos slap like we know it wasn't him singing. But here Kitty and the music video is really funny. It's awful it's horrible but it's really funny okay. But Sierra am I the dumbest person on the planet like I thought maybe he was just like. Maybe you just had a good voice auto tuned. It wasn't until the end. I wrote that down in all caps in my notes. I was like it wasn't him singing. I couldn't believe it. I just am a little shock. Who Was it? I would love for that person to be interviewed. Yup where's that person in the documentary? Okay I also wrote down. You know what this I feel like. I still feel awful and weird about calling out those couple of log. Who went to the Myrtle Beach Safari? And then the next thing I wrote down was screwing shack. Shack Shack has tigers shop bought Tigers from Joe Exotic Shack advertised the GW zoo. No one's coming for shock. What the Heck Shop. Wait question. Does Mike Tyson have a Tiger? At least one just. I'm just getting this information from the hangover. Mike has a tiger right. Let me do pulled out because you have beef with Mike Tyson. It's hotter Tyson. Those of you did you ever talk about it in a blog post about unlike your instagram stories. Yeah Oh we were at the tube space one time and Mike. Tyson was getting tour and his like policy of like thirty people came into our studio and ate all of our POLKA. Montgomery's that's it. That's really all the tea but I feel like it's so funny to joke about Sierra having beef with Mike Tyson because he had any drama really and so the fact that Mike Tyson who could with two people beauty Khan and Mike Tyson okay. So here's what comes up when you google. Does Mike Tyson have a tiger an article from twenty nineteen that says Mike? Tyson claims he had to sell his pet Bengal tiger Kenya after sixteen years as it ripped. Somebody's arm off. Was IT soft launch? Twist plot was okay so I agree all go on record and say Fuck Shak. Sorry were using a lot of profanity in this episode waclaw. We're going forward. I love it. Okay I also loved that. The documentary producers editors kept in footage of DOC and Carol creating this facade of Doc Angela. Being like okay so you come to the door and then won't answer and then Carol being okay. Are you rolling? These cats don't deserve to live their life in cages. Like I thought it was brilliant that they included that footage just showing the facade that they create well even win Joe Exotics. All of his footage burned down and like his alligators were killed. They showed him doing retakes of him. Being like innocent alligator lives were taken today and then he'd be like okay. Let's do that again from here. And like he very clearly wasn't as upset as he was making himself seem. I thought that was really fascinating. And Yeah I. I thought it really helped to create this narrative of like each of these people has their own story that they're trying to towel and use this documentary to paint themselves in a certain way and I think the way that jeff low wanted to be perceived was I'm cool. I'm bad ass I go to Vegas and have hot. Girls take pictures of my baby tigers. Can we talk about his party? Bus where he literally had tigers in drunk people lakers. The hell is that. How was that legal amount of questions? Imagined like a mansion. You and I like fresh out of fresh into college. Let's say we went to Vegas for a weekend and obvious falling for it. That's what I'm trying to say. Imagine we're drunk. We're on the casino floor and we start talking to this girl. Seems Really Nice. And she's like Oh. Do you guys want to like company? A baby tiger. Actually one thing I wanted to point out was that Lauren was wearing a hogwarts shirt in her final interview. I was like oh a trust this girl. She's wearing a hogwarts shirt. She cool and then. She immediately starts objective buying their nanny. Oh lowering I want you to be on our team but you just. You're not on my team. I'm sorry let me scroll down to that because I had some thoughts. Hey guys Just hopping in here real quick to let you know that at this point in the podcast we stopped the recording and started a new one and in that process. Something got messed up with my audio and it got turned up to ten. I'm usually at a four so it's going to be kind of distorted. We're trying our best to fix it with editing and the camera audio but my audio is going to sound a little different from this point on. So I'm sorry we try to make sure these things don't happen but hopefully you'll enjoy the episode all right. We'll jump back into what about Jackson Warren in their last episode interview. They haven't been relationship. That's fine do you want to now as you already poliovirus? I don't judge discriminate do everyone but what I'm not okay with is how weird and sad for their manny other employees that just because they're very open about you know who they wanNA sleep with an how their relationship works doesn't mean that everyone else's comfortable being hard. I this woman there Andy was hired on as she was now hired on to be objectified. And I'm just saying that so awful. I mean I agree and I disagree. I think that yes. The objectification is very bad. I think that she must have had some inclination of WHO. She was getting hired onto nanny for and like their arrangement. I feel like if she stayed on for this long of like through them ending filming and now like it coming out them getting interviewed she must be somewhat okay with the situation. Yeah I I still think it's awful and their physician a if she's cool with Inter there so you Power at its just is so uncomfortable and I think my my Verse loss through was like Oh no He said she thinks likable. She's approachable but like she's in on it. Yeah and she also woven sheep's clothing because Jeff Look sluggish back like I've never seen someone dresses like Mortgage Fag. Been Jack Low. But Lauren looks like a girl advice over in the bathroom at a party would talk in. Hit off yes. There's someone in my life who I am. Not superfund me a lot of I feel like I know exactly what I'm talking about Their a lot of similarities. That's all I'll say but yes so I feel like jeff low immediately. I just not like A. He's my lease era person in this whole series. I think partially because he reminds me so much of someone that I just is probably one of the only people in my life that I don't personally get along with But I feel like their whole situation really reminded me of the technical theatre world with like how I felt like they just kept talking about how like everyone like hooks up and all kinds of weird and everyone's all kind of working together and there are a lot of like we're power dynamics and so. I felt like who was it was John Finley. That was being interviewed because they were asking him about like his now wife and how they met there and it just. I was like Oh this is kind of like theater is kind of like theater. Beta relevant data. Not Yeah Avenue. Skip through the Muslim knows. Hit for one shoe a so I talked about my dislike for ankle and the social media. Kind of you'll his business off the he's at assessing Predator on the colts. Just GonNa leave that there but Joe who is more likable than DOC. There are similarities to be drawn in the way he prayed on these young men and in the final episode. One of the things that Josh Campaign Manager said was quote when when he asks her NOCCO yet but when the were asked like O. J. D. Joe But come on you. He said No. I'm not his type. Joe's is young dunk sanity. If that was a j- just the highs you know. This is saturation. Should doesn't mean you shouldn't look at it with the same lens that we would if it was a man cry on if a man said about his mom type is young and dumb women. Sedentary T. That's I mean I completely agree. I think what you said about it. Being a same sex marriage and just same sex relationship is really valid in that I do feel like people tend to think of women as weak and they can't like fend for themselves so I feel like people are often a lot more protective of like seventeen year old woman than they are seventeen year old men or boys and girls. I should say but I unfortunately do think that a lot of men out there would say their type as like young and dumb woman but I think wrote down fantastic triple redneck gateway loved. It would love to attend with a pain shirts we also. I got a lot of like messages of people saying like you would come to my wedding. Which is sweet after we had talked about like how we really want to go to weddings. But I would have loved to go to that. Triple redneck wedding. Oh Soga so. They're matching hot pink shirts. I can't. He's not waiting on Youtube because it so I'm interested. I mean we should like livestream alive. What furry dominated conversation with Notes? You have any knows that you want to jump in my i. I have written down his carol. Baskin's flower crown. I just I feel like I would like to take a moment to appreciate like she has committed. Both you and I have worn our fair share. Flower crowns there was a phase where that was the thing to do. If you were on tumbler if you wanted to be like hippy I dunno girl goals like that was the thing. Carol Baskin has made it a life choice of just say like she also has made wearing tiger print alive choice. Put that line. That goes with her character. That's of course you're a big cat person you do you. It's like if you love horses. Maybe you're cowboy boots all the time. I don't know her flower crown. We never saw her without a flower crown. Know I feel like part of. It is like this angelic presence. That she wants to She's the mother Theresa Fake Cats. Yes but she does that with. Like Clair's flower crown. If I committed into anything as much as Carol Lasting Cammisa flower grounds annual Fred. I would be so interested sessile so I feel I know I can think of a lot of things in both of our lives that like we've committed to style wise for awhile like even both of us did like half a pack down with like a hair scrunchy still love it but I don't do it every day anymore but I feel like she has committed to this first so many years like when did she. I discover the flower crown. Because I mean obviously like natural flower crowns from actual flowers and greenery have been around for forever but like. I'm talking the plastic headband. Ones that she wears. When did she discover them? I I wonder what the oldest pitcher lasted in a flower crown is. What does she look like without a flower crown? I have no idea. That's the heavily discuss what she looks like. She's in her flower. Love is like Clark Kent with his glasses. Leaking possesses super man more. She keeps up the lower crown. No longer girl baskin. What are the days I go down? Go down a couple of my favorite Means one of them was. There was a trend on twitter Tiger King V and someone the lion the witch in her wardrobe and it was a picture of her she'd tire Around so good. Oh that's awesome. I tweeted that. Her husband reminds me of Anton. Ego from like the food critic. Yes like I just there were so many good memes to come out of Tiger King. What the other things I've done is episode That surgery is essentially The whole plot to reverse that that to me is the biggest offers of this series because they have no in play England electric gas any of that. No I completely agree. We'll in all of it was so crazy I have it written down. But she say oh the will that says upon my disappearance bitch why it up on my disappearance click that I just although that he literally said that before he disappeared that he was afraid that she was in film but also also her husband say for what he said he might. Everything was very exciting. Just always on the documentary Absolute he picked her up when she was nineteen and the way that they've already apparently in that area code Veroni a prostitute with walking down that one specific street so he likely assessor. He picked her up. Emma's life hold this. Got My head while they drive like he's he I'm not saying he asked if she comes in absolutely horrible as she should go to jail but using this perfect person you know I just made the connection in my brain I kind of I feel. I bad badly towards Carol Baskin because of the whole like keeping large animals in small cages and everything that she does with that thing but I feel like the way I feel about her potentially murdering her husband is the way I feel when the dixie chicks sing earl and I'm kind of like yeah. He sounds awful. Maybe you should murder him. Like I'm kind of I. I think she did it. I don't know I feel like taking any human's life is really horrible and awful. But also he doesn't sound like a great guy I all. I keep probably headed coming. He only had himself the blaze. You've been there if you deceit it after you would've dosing. I BET JOE EXOTIC string the cell block tango right now. I would pay someone. Twenty to see Joe's auto de la can't go in prison a b but again this is where everyone starts with a character like yes he's an actual person who's actually in prison right now but also brain lake. He's very much of character. Who will do the tango? We'll even when I texted you and Stephen being like. Hey you need to watch tiger king near like Oh what's it about? I was like a gay polygamist tiger owner like Yada Yada. He's a character. He is like all of these things. Don't typically coexist and I think it's as as ridiculous and outlandish is all of. This is key trying for myself like these are real people. This is south. That really happened and you know. They're all living their lives right now. Yes also another thing down. This is now moving tax of four Jones on it. Why to outright? Carola IN PEOPLE'S URGED. Big Cat rescue donating. Upi Cat Rescue. Entertainment is so funny. I wrote down. I feel like that's something that you might do. Another life like I feel like that I feel like you're not a petty person but I feel if you were to get angered enough. It would be something very small and smart like that that you would do. I think that is hysterical. I think it so let her. She was fully acre rates to suit him because he wasn't version traber but yes images and everything he needed to big cat rescue entertainment. That'd be like if I named a company Sierra sheltie ink entertainment us like all your pictures. Everything is so is so another number. Four is a tougher ever wanting to see tiger inject using the Tigers To get women is so weird and so but it also basal shots. Yeah I feel like out of everyone. I was the most clear with Jephson tensions yet. Which although he was my least favorite character. I get why he does this. Yes it's like the money and the women in the power. It's like all of your typical motives. Yes it's when it comes to people like Joe. Exotic are still living on this crappy zoo and not living the best life and still having like be out there. Working every day is where I get a little confused. Why they're doing it. What's your what is your motivation. I agree with you. Jeff lows the only person. I can tell exactly what you're about and I can tell exactly wired as yep episode. Five is the one where Joe's Auburn for president which is Bas- twist. I did not see the series his campaign managers and he didn't know what a libertarian was. But he ran as a libertarian. I try I love his campaign videos so lash. I love ending videos. I love the Walmart. Ammo manager becomes his campaign address. That is that is so comical in so such a character that someone right in this holding seems like it I know well and then his campaign manager I do feel really bad for his campaign manager afterward like watching that final interview where. He said that he needs counseling. And but all of that aside like I feel like he was such a medium like him taking his vape breaks and it just it was really funny to watch and I know it probably shouldn't have been but I'm saying it I left also again. I think the way that they handled Is Death Possible? Suicide sure what it was all did not like it. Not Okay with it trying to set that aside so that I can find out the same that I thought was silly funny at. Hopefully this is his sensitive joe at his husband's funeral saying quote he come and raw than balls in my face. They were laying golden nuggets. And then the camera cutting to have as long as mom. Oh my gosh I just kept telling Kyle was like all respect Milo for whatever life choices he makes but it would be really hard if these were the life choices he were to me if you if you went to a funeral and they were talking about your son's Lake is so heart will not travis was from San Diego. I think they said Oh really southern California and so I just I can't imagine like your son moving away and like going onto in. I don't know there's Ivy League. I want to be sensitive because he passed away in. That whole situation is very unfortunate but that funeral was ridiculous. It is hot you like. How is that a real funeral? Today is a victims. All care which is is already deli. No no just. Snl skit go ahead. I was GONNA say which is why it feels okay to laugh at it when it's not good to laugh at it because in your window this was an actual persons funeral who die very unhappy. Very yeah very tragic. He was way too young like there are so many their substance abuse issues happening like at just a horrific situation and I feel like a lot of that is kind of in the tone that the producers of the documentary like sent out for us in that it all felt so humorous like I feel like if it had been taken in a different direction or even a different director it would be very different and I'm grateful that it was like a fun. Easy thing to watch because I don't know if I could handle Ivy League. It was already heavy. If it had had that like blackfish energy that they had promised Carol Baskin. I don't think I would have been able to watch it. I watched it now and I think that's why they made it such caricature and that's why they need it. I'm I mean it's absolutely need far the way that they like package. This whole thing is a me and that's why the needs to have come out of it or so ridiculous and why so hurts. Remember that these are real people. Yes I completely agree to things. That are opposites these are brain a little things that I didn't really notice officer number Wa interviewing the Hitman as he takes a bath in hotel. I noticed I also I liked that Wayne. Oh my Gosh John. Finlay was talking in this final interview. They were like so like. Why were you shirtless in all of your interviews? He's all a little cold but it was fun. Could you imagine I just like showing up to this podcast without my shirt on a little cold? But it's a little fun fun like the all of these interviews and that's another thing like the production quality of the interviews was really good like all of them. Were very interesting settings. I feel like it's a lot about the personality. The fact that one of them were shirtless. One of them was in the bathtub pile of trash. Yes a literal pile of trash another thing. I love in excellent Jesse James Garrison. Did you notice that what he liked road and there was a partner? Who's I about to give a thumbs up a few side of the lake halfway through bales? Yes I sell someone I think someone said like I know what I'm doing with my stimulus. Check OUT THERE. Were so many good memes like how is that a person that is a film him on that. Jetski and he was like this. Look for me. Do you have any other thoughts about the series before we get into a real on the last leg the new episode the Rabah. Let's see sh- I feel like we covered most of it. I think the only thing we didn't talk about with SOF losing their arm. I I feel like again in another world. I could be this person that like. I get my arm bitten off by tiger and then I don't stay in the hospital for as long as I need to. Just end up getting amputated so like my boss isn't mad. You're very you energy. Well we didn't finish on the last podcast. I asked you to guess who I was. And you said Carol Baskin. I actually was soft. You'll even though you think. I'm Carol Basket which apparently you don't have totally negative feelings about her. Not I do not have negative feelings for their Alaska and you know what I did. She kill her Hudson. It's probably you know she really. She's doing and at the end of the day. I don't know I just. I feel like everyone's trying their best. I feel like well the question so I do think there's a lot of Falange people in the summer off. People Radio Guy but there are lucky ball makes lawn choices in this documentary but I also think there are a lot of people who are good people down in Sacramento are truly believe in what and what they're doing and I think I even look who's genuine. I think Eric the guy with the long hair around the edges that genuine. I think John Ricky the head keeper the guy with prosthetic legs very straightforward guy seems genuinely cares the animals based off. He seems great easings. You know interesting choice to designed to come back to work after your arm gets for golf. But he seems genuine Ziegler. Good Person Josh Campaign Manager Again. Very interesting but seems like a good person John. Finley Bruce. Who Do you think is yet so I think it kind of I think it depends on what your definition of genuine is and if you think that someone being genuine equals them being a good person because I think that pretty much everyone in the documentary was their genuine self. But I think that like you can only be manipulated so far like I personally. I cannot imagine a world in which I was manipulated enough to shoot tiger in the head especially when that didn't have any sort of medical issues. Yeah you know yeah but I think some people are genuine and still do that kind of stuff right and so it's it's really hard. I feel like these people are put into hard situations. It sounds like a lot of them. Were just coming out of jail or you know really didn't have any other options and so it started off as a way for them to get back on their feet but the interesting thing is that all the people in the documentary have stuck around and so I feel like at a certain point. You must be back on your feet enough to go out and get a different job even if the job is not glamorous. Gw decimated glamorous. Yeah evicting so Laris Did you have any other notes about the first Senate visits? I don't think so. I think there were so many interesting things that happened that we didn't necessarily talk about like all the footage burning and whatever. I feel like I feel like there's just too much too much to cover in one podcast higher clubhouse show just dedicated to Tucker game guess one hundred percent. Let's I feel like what I'm really interested in. Hearing your thoughts on or the final interview especially since apparently you hate Joel McHale so my first thing under the new episode who is the host Question Mark Mark Question Mark which ventured action but you also after remember that for love is blind. They had Nicholas Shea and his wife Vanessa Shea and he introduced himself every time by saying I'm obviously so maybe the best choice way like relevant enough to be the host can say for this series. I am hungry. I don't know who the host I in that to me that's it who's Nicholson. Do you know that he was married to Jessica Simpson? Do you know any of the I feel like he was. He was a little relevant in the two thousands. I was ever a Nicholas Schaffner but like I know he was married to Jessica Simpson and they end their show together and they got to force. I know all other cat is was. He looked in the houses. What have you been like a Tiger magazine in late? Two thousand five. No because I think he I think he got relevant when he was old enough to get married. We'll see I don't think he was ever like a teenage heartthrob like my mom probably really likes Nikola Shea Sheriff Oscar. You're listening call at your thoughts on Nikolai. Okay I'm trying to find I wrote down for the last episode on the person that they were doing so my frustration with the host is is naturally found some of his questions in a way. So those are wrangled bristlecone pines on the interviewer kind of this Iro Domino under the ambulance Jack Warren Jeffs Low and Lauren. His wife the in your kind of annoyed me asking. How many leather leather jackets do you have? No one cares about that late. That's not what we're we're not. We're not watching this on me. Leather Jackets Jacqueline thousand percent of question. Just like Make Jack. Low view lighter freshly cut that out also. The constant someone on facebook asked was like was it sponsored by facebook. Who Was it like? Who was like fish? I just like I would have loved to be on facebook asking some questions like I just. I have a lot of questions another note that I wrote about. The interviewer was Oh I thought John Finley seen kind of annoyed with the interviewer which you like Jon. Benet war dissolving charity yet. So here's what I actually wrote. A as a John Finley sees better good for him but he seemed slightly off. I hope it's just the way the interviewer because saying L. I mean Yeah. I think I think for me. My first thing I wrote down was is it set decorated because Eric Setup looks like it was like professionally done. We have cores lights like neon signs around him. His lighting was beautiful. They obviously had a professional camera on him. He had his air pot in and then it like progressively got worse to where. I'm not sure I think Eric might just have impeccable taste when it comes to like filming background Eric. Like I just also so I'd be interested to know the process of the people that they interviewed like. Obviously they can't interview Joe Exotic. Obviously Carol Baskin's pissed because she thought it was going to be this like blackfish esque documentary so I get her not being on it. But it's just very interesting to see the people who either saw the documentary. Solid came of it and still agreed to be in this now My literally my second. No I don't know if I can show it I wrote I like Joel McHale. So that's my second now. Didn't love him. I just I feel like I was pleasantly surprised but I get all of your points. I'll switch over to your team. I wasn't like I'd hate Joel. Mchale waters but I. I just stopped him to necessarily be if we only get a forty five minute. Like kind of reunion esque show. I don't need you to ask low. How many leather jackets he has. You're asking me questions Sierra. You know at this is this is back in the day when we will go to a party together and we would meet at like a girl or a guy in one of those be like. Oh yeah they seem right and the other person would be like they said this to me. They did this X Y and Z. And we just have hop on the other team. So I'm on the I hate Joel. Mchale train fantastic done Have any other notes about eric ago. The Long Blond Eric here I wrote when he asked. I guess I understand your point. He asked if he washes his hair today. Which like is a redundant question? But he said what's the point if I'm going to peed on anyways and I feel like having a two month old boy I I get it. I really. That was the first time where I really related to Eric. I was like you know what Eric I was planning on washing my hair today. What's the point? I'm getting okay. And then Sunday the rebel Japan. Warren sue a quote said. I said by Jack how what's more disturbing the wedding. Photos of Carol ends her or the fact that Carol tells us it. Just see I just I find this so entertaining and it's really hard because it feels like we're watching repulsed drag race and like the library is open and Jeff. Low is just reading Carol Baskin and her husband absolutely but they aren't friends. The library is not open. She is not a part of this interview like those are her actual wedding photos and I agree. They're real weird but like she's not a part of this conversation so you can't I don't know I it. It terra lesson wants her wedding photo. And Howard Basket. They're both cooling their wedding photos. The Andrew Wiggin Tiger in her holding the leash your two consenting adults go for it and I would actually like to retract my statement from earlier where I said Jeff Lowe was my least favorite. I think Howard was my least favorite. Has the most punishable face I've ever seen. I have never punched someone in my life. I would maybe punch Howard have had a white cloth he he looks like Anton. He go but he looks like he has a stick up his but he was build these problematic person innocent tie like what People visit our show any Power Baskin I just. I can't I think you should go as Carol. End Our for hoping. But your take care for my lows. I also for my first Halloween of pictures. Here's here's he was a tiger. Don't worry dad didn't dress up that year. Excuse notes about Jack. Lord's interview No because I think we talked about it. All hogwarts shirt objectify the nanny et Cetera et cetera NASA was jogging rinse Which was a guy with a prosthetic legs? I thought MOCATTA Haitian play him in. The Tiger of it was so late. Wholesome okay but that was the one point right. Did get a little annoyed with Joel. Mchale where he was like. Oh should play Joe exotic know. What's this guy? Think he looks like Matthew mcconnahey he does. Yeah so just. Don't ruin it for him. Okay Okay Joel. Heard anyone say the maximum of play job exactly. Yeah where not baseball? Maybe on facebook also him saying I haven't worn pants in decades was a mood. Abbas I also have not worn decades. That is a big safer at home mood. Oh Gosh I didn't have any words on Jonky to know and I think we talked about all of the rest of my notes. Not Joe exotic singing. All the people looking at the zoo. Therapy is very important. One last thing that I wrote down we talked about was wreck. The producer on mentioned our way quote. I can't even take a walk down to the Fiore's I know on the popularity of tire case a man. She's so bad Yours I loved it. I just goals goals. I'm like I don't think I would ever want to be famous but I would want my walk down to the Fjord to be interrupted by people reeling tiger. Also we have a special omega not watching the video podcasts. A very special guest Milo. He'll put away. I put him in this gigantic. Could he today so scheduler early wearing a couple of relief? Pictures of my low in this agency used making this cute little smirk where he literally just locally you live you make that face that I have seen you make. Oh well I originally bought this toothless because he really likes to wear clothes. I and then now Milo fitness so we'll circle but like honestly one of the hardest things for me with social distancing is socialist from my low Knocking to watch him grow and develop it. It's just off Gosh he should keep this thing. I know but someday soon will all be together again. Well I am so grateful for video chatting before getting to hear from you in Hamilton is in seeing him. Sofer Mitzner heart worm pal. I love you I love you. Hang on Tucker. I don't think so. Do you know stress. One of the weirdest experience is watching shower. Advocaat's talk about it. Let us know down to your thoughts on Higher King. And if you want to set your your tiger enemies both of us for that. Yes one hundred percent by Ataka's the entire. He came all right. Well podcast here. That thank you for listening or watching or whatever you're doing sloppy you talk to you. Styler and great scene you acute way. Ra five nine.

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Wondery Presents "Joe Exotic: Tiger King"

Joe Exotic: Tiger King

03:26 min | 5 months ago

Wondery Presents "Joe Exotic: Tiger King"

"They just off the highway south of Oklahoma City. There's a little zoo. They've got chimpanzees a camel lions and tigers. Lots of tigers. I can promise you that you're gonNA get so forth. Tigers come on board but the star of the zoo isn't any of these animals. It's the guy who runs it as the guided. He's a gay gun carrying country music singing former magician duct. Otherwise don't is a tactic and the zoo is his kingdom. Take care of all these animals and fading mind voiced little great year but for all his swagger. Joe Is afraid not of the lions or the alligators but if something else or some one dumb be down in Florida some bits down in Florida. It just always call her names like crazy bitch hateful bitch. It was always something bitch. Carol Baskin Thorough BUSCA baskin down there in Tampa Florida. She's sick benched. Chewing Carol both love exotic animals. But there's not much else. They agree on and their feud is pushing them to their limits by Kiro Baskin better than roll. We'll see me face-to-face ever ever sick little tired of this shit from wondering the makers of dirty John and Dr Death Comes Joe Exotic a story about two people who want to save animals and destroy each other now put him six feet under ground. I question Carol Bash Powerful. You really gotta call me back. Here's actually talking about paying someone to kill you. You tried to get me to do it. That was kind of like the Times I really realized that I truly was working for the Joe. Exotic premiers on March nineteenth. Subscribe Today on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening right now or get all six episodes at once and free by subscribing to wonder plus at one very dot com slash P L U S for a limited time. We're offering listeners of Joe Exotic a free week of one plus just go to one plus dot com slash exotic. There's nothing on this planet. That is more wicked than about get. They can go from currying and cuddly to wanting to kill you in the flashes.

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'Tiger King' - Doug Abel

Behind The Screen

34:06 min | 4 months ago

'Tiger King' - Doug Abel

"Zookeeper with prison for murder for their more captive tigers in the US than there are in the wild throughout the world. Ill people are nuts man. They're all crazy. I'm sure y'all got a story to tell Welcome to a new episode of the Hollywood reporter's behind the screen series during this time we're aiming to provide regular weekly episodes all recorded remotely. Today we're talking with editor. Doug able who gave us a unique behind. The scenes look at net. Flicks is wildly popular documentary series. Tiger king murder mayhem and madness able whose credits include Michael. Moore's Fahrenheit eleven nine and Errol Morris's Oscar winning documentary the fog of war shares. How the series started with a look at the treatment of animals and evolved into a story beyond belief that follows several big cat collectors and animal rights activists centering on breeder and former zoo under Joe Exotic historian ranges from run for president to a prison sentence after he was found guilty for his role in a murder for hire plot to kill his rival. Carol Baskin during the conversation Doug describes how the series got started cut scenes that never aired and house story evolved during the editing process. I'm Caroline Georgina. Welcome to the Hollywood puertas behind the screen. Doug thank you so much for joining us today. Sure to be here now. I understand. We're talking to you from Your Home Studio in Kentucky. First and foremost how are you? I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. Where hunker down? My wife works from home as well and she heard that people are fostering animals during this time so of course I've got pregnant kitten in the next room about to give birth so so lots of cats and he may your dogs barking and that's kind of stuff so it's it's all the fun of Home Office so we'll thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it so this series has been all over the news. Did you expect the sort of response? What is it been like for you to see the attention on it? We really didn't I mean it's that kind of insecure thing is. You're working on a project. Is Anybody GonNa care about this? We really didn't know and we weren't sure if people were gonNA make it past. You know the first episode or two. We just thought this is just too weird you know. We had people telling us that they liked it. But it's it's We we were in such a crunch on the schedule that we didn't have time to do that. The typical kind of test screenings at you you normally would want to do on a project so it is definitely a surprise to me and I know the whole crew so did not expect that now. Had you worked with the filmmakers before I had not I think we had flirted like most freelancers. You speak with people you go back and forth and then for whatever reason you can't do a project oh I know how this happened. The filmmaker Rebecca Chaplain owns a house in Woodstock and I was living there at the time. And so that was part of the connection and my wife and I were running a farm animal sanctuary in the town of Woodstock and she had been there so she knew me. And I'm trade matter although I met a lot of people didn't specifically remember her on her radar because of that and given what the topic of the show is going to be at the time it was it was more of a broader subject of wildlife. In general. She thought I would be a good choice for it. So that's actually how the the connection originally happened. Okay so you started to touch on my next question Which was the original story. So I know while you are editing. It was still unfolding. What was the original brief? And would you tell us about how it changed along the way? Yeah so originally. I believe it was a project that was being pitched to. Cnn as kind of a multi part series and that each part was going to focus on a different species or different aspects. So there was gonna be maybe a section on trophy hunting a section on big cats a section on reptiles and that was kind of the idea that was being pitched and we originally cut together something that did include other animals. There was a crazy guy who would handle snakes but it was all in the context of why is it that humans feel. They have dominion over animals that they can kind of treat them this way. That was sort of the the overarching theme. That was part of that series. So I think I worked on it for several months and I think at that point the goal was to come up with something that was sort of a you know sizzle reel of ten or twenty minutes. I don't remember what I think. It was closer to twenty minutes by the time we were done with it and then we of course shorter versions and all this stuff usually do on any kind of project and then while I believe. Cnn was was mulling over. We decided to we had enough material to try to feature length version. So worked that for a bit and then the frankly the plug was pulled while they figured out who's going to be interested in this and it sort of just sat in the background for a while. Then it came back as I believe a pilot was actually done for CNN. Eventually that took a long time. This was right around the election and CNN was distracted with other things so everything kind of went on hiatus they did end up doing a pilot with with somebody else and that didn't get picked up so then the idea was to get back into it and to do it as perhaps two or three part series and around that time that we. I came back in. I was working on Michael. Moore's last film and then that went on hiatus so I started working on The cat film around that time. Now one mentioned there spoilers in this interview but but one of the main characters meets a tragic end when Joe's husbands Meets a tragic end and the story started become much larger in scope and really from the air things they started doing more. That sort of picked up with efforts to do more filming and as they did more filming they kept meeting other people and more and more threads kind of developed and before we knew it we were looking at a four or five part series and then Joe got arrested and a whole a whole other aspect of the production. Just kind of spiraled and so we ended up with seven episodes when you started. Were you working with? It was a lot of found footage and I remember. In one of the episodes. There was a fire where they lost some of their own material at Joe's facility. I'm do you have access to that or did you come on after that fire will. That's sort of a mystery that was never an issue for us in fact the character of Rick who is the gentleman who was the producer working on Joe's TV. We didn't film him. Until I think it was may of last year so he was only a character for the last five six months of editing Came in quite just. Didn't really discover how to reach him until then producers hadn't and so no that fire. A lot of people have that question. It is a little confusing. Because you're we're we're making film about guy making a reality show about Internet series about this crazy guy and so there's so many it's like a Russian doll where you take it apart and so there's so many layers it it does get a little confused No we did not have access to that footage. So that didn't affect us in it. Actually the fire had happened before we were even really involved much with him okay. I'm pretty sure so most of what you were working with was the material that the crew shot. It was but that said we did get a lot of material from Joe he had also just a Lotta stuff online so you could go to youtube and there was endless stuff online. But he'd also was able to provide us some additional material and in third parties. Who had been involved in different aspects? Different people he had hired to do his Internet show or to do music videos also provided us with footage. So we actually ended up with quite a lot of that and a lot of it was super you know Joe Weed whacking and eating lunch and you know sometimes it was hard to tell what was a real thing but he really did film everything and so a lot of the stuff was just kind of him trying to prove that somebody had done him wrong so he would have an employee filming with a Gopro. I think discovered go pros at one point and so everybody had to go pro strapped to them so we we had a lot of very strange material that just sort of slowly unfortunately slowly leaked in from different. Drives that you know Jo's husband would find or he would mysteriously find and and Then of course he got arrested and so that that made it more difficult So it came in in drips and drabs of huge amounts. So we would all of a sudden. Have you know three hundred more hours and assistants would go crazy trying to like? Just find anything in it. That seemed like it would be helpful but It we were swimming and footage. They were also filming a lot and there are a lot of wild. Goose chases trying to find different things and so we we did end up with a lot of material odd characters who didn't make it into the cut at all. We're some of the most memorable items that did not make it into the final edit. We we do have a very funny scene where Joe you know. Sort of revealed is not actually singer of of his own songs is on now tax. The only reason we didn't include that is there was a last minute legal issue where we were worried that maybe did actually partially sing on some of them and we decided to not go down that road. It was also a scene. That's very very funny but wherever we put it it seemed to derail the story and so that was kind of regretful that we didn't have that in their the relationship between ten stark. Jeff Lowe is really really rich and we did go down that road and did include a lot more. But the problem is that we didn't have the ending to that story really It's still ongoing. Tim Stark is the party ways. He's back at his place in Indiana which is actually only twenty five minutes from me here as I speak. And he's facing severe severe pressure from the Indiana Attorney General's after him and he's been inspected and he's really He's hanging on by thread. And so I think you know that was a that was a through line that we wish we could have come to a conclusion because I think it would have been. It's quite rich and there's a lot more material in there that I think would have really helped it. I think also we probably could have done a lot more with Jeff Lowe given enough time I don't think there were too many scenes that we left out. But there's just a lot more about that man that we could have probably gone into. We maintain a list that we call the orphan list. And it was really just all these scenes that we knew were lovely and we'd love to get in but but couldn't and I looked at it recently and I thought you know what we did pretty good job cramming. Most of these in you know they weren't too many that that I thought. How could that have gone so so? I'm pleased that we you know and and it is. It is a kitchen sink in terms of like when you think about the structure of it says somebody did sent me a parody song and they said like here's the plot of Tiger King was a little song they sang and it's like he mentioned three things. I think you know what that kind of is the whole plot. But there are so many side threads and weird digressions. That keep you entertained? And kind of just may be distracted from the fact that the story itself is is actually quite you know quite simple could say say it in a few sentences So you know I think I think we we were pretty good at figuring out how to kind of. Let's go down this crazy road you know. And it doesn't matter if it's a red herring because look what happening. I think we had enough perspective on it to say like it's okay. You WanNa see this. This is just kind of worth talking about. During the course of the series you meet a lot of characters and I mean some of them are just unbelievable stories which of the characters was the most challenging for you to tell their story and how right I mean. Joe Is challenging. Because there's so much he says so much and so much so much of it conflicts. He conflicts with himself so it was hard. We just decided early on. Let's just establish him as somebody who you love to watch. But you can't trust what he says. And I think we figured if you can kind of get that understanding about him you'll relaxed to a certain extent because you understand when he says something it's like. We always joked that everything joe says. There's always a kernel of truth in it and it did turn out to be true. I mean most things. He said they might have been complete lies. But it's like well. Yeah there's this and sometimes it was. It was Absolute Gospel Truth. He was challenging just. Because it's just you know Joe Joe and it's just hard to wrap your head around him at all and then Carol was. Also a challenge by your own admission. She sort of a socially awkward person. She had a hard life and has gone through some hard things and his a super dedicated super focused person. And you know she's maybe hard for people to relate to. I think is one problem. And so as the show progressed. She became a little bit more withdrawn and Howard started speaking more for her. But we really wanted Carol's voice. You want to make sure she. She remained a presence. One way that you really gave us a chance to get to know them was also just showing us what their homes look like the decor the way they interface with their animals beyond the interviews. Did you have a lot of that material to work with by and large? No I mean Joe was more or less an open book but the other characters. I think they would let people in once and not really. I don't feel like it happened very often so Damien Drake who is the DP would always hop on that. Make sure you got lots of lots of fun. Cut aways and lots of details that are of course you know when you're an editor. Thank you so much. And so we buy large. Didn't have free access. And we we get that you know you wanNA respect people's personal space so that was a gift when we could get it and in some cases we really couldn't get it. I mean for example in Docs place. You really. Don't see behind the scenes. I mean we would see behind the scenes at Joe's place and and certainly carols place. She was an open book. She showed US her hospital. All these different variant. Here's where the food is. And here's what the Labatt's are and she showed us all that stuff But DOC was much more you know. This is my space that people are supposed to see. And that's that's what he would. He would allow US access to so it varied but yeah. It's always great to be able to see that and really it gives you a lot of insight when you see how people live. Exotic is how many people know him email off this form to the Federal Election Commission last Friday announcing his intent to run for president as an independent Joe Joe Exotic for the people of America House. That would you take us through the process of editing? The story as it was still unfolding the first few episodes I mean. Some of the scenes hadn't changed literally in years. But as new information was coming in we were constantly tweaking improving and adding music working on this first few episodes but so sort of like there was a there was a whole half of us that we're kind of continuing to improve the first part of the story but then as other stuff was coming in revelations about these different characters in all these double crossing that was going on there was other editors who were sort of zooming in on that and specializing on that and in the end when we finally kind of got everything in place a lot of kind of touched different ones just out of necessity you know. Somebody would get completely swamped with some brand new thing. And so I would take a pass on. You know episode seven and address a couple. Things were confusing so we we pass them around quite a bit. Which is strange. I'd never really worked on such a large project with such a big team of editors and so we really were all having a really pay attention to. Why is this in here? What is this doing? That's right? We tried it this way you know two months ago and it and it had this effect so it was super super challenging that way so while the trial was unfolding. Yes you had people down there. And they were sending you material every day of the filmmakers by and large covered most of the trial. I would say I think they were in their Eric. Good and Rebecca Shalin. They were both down in. I believe it was Oklahoma's where the trial was. They were there in person and We're knowledgeable about everything that was going on. And then of course they were outside with crew grabbing whoever they could and while they were down there they were also shooting anything else they could you know maximizing the amount of time so we got a lot of footage that came in you know unfortunately or maybe. Fortunately I'm thinking They did not allow cameras in the courtroom. Which is which is typical. So I'm kind of thankful because if they did that would have been another of things so in a way it was good to have our our hand forced on that and to to kind of simplify it down to just the broad strokes of what the trial was that we could convey through basically interviews people who were there. That's how that was covered mentioned that the reality TV producer was interviewed late in the production. Would you describe why he was added to the story? Well I think the initial reason. We reached out to that fellow. Rick Why am I spacing on his last name? The guy in a cowboy hat. Everybody knows him as and he He seemed to be involved. He had been accused of setting the fire all a couple people. had had accused him of that so it was a natural choice to reach out to me and say people are saying this about you Is this true? And so I think that was the initial reason why they filmed him. Chris Smith actually flew off to where he's someplace out in like Finland or someplace like that and came back for like three or four hours of really bonkers material and he ended up being kind of like a bit of a degree course of the project because he just as great voice and great storytelling style as he has a background in working on all those shows like hard copy and and so he a godsend because when he came at least it was a voice of reason that we could insert into this whole thing and a and a different perspective. Because you know you talk to Joe and you're GONNA get a lot of different answers and it's hard to parse through all what would actually happen and didn't so it was good to have some corroborating evidence and he also got sucked into the story and became part of the story so it was super interesting that it worked out that way but that was not an expectation that we had and I think that's true of a lot of material that that has happened with this with this project is somebody would go off film something. It would seem like a dead end and then they would come back and he'd say oh my gosh or there'd be some archival footage that would do something similar so lot of moments like that but Yeah it was. I think kind of dumb luck that you know. It was an expensive trip to fly across the ocean and interview this guy just to find out if he was part of it but it was a huge a very smart call that the production got him. So and then Joe's Nemesis Carol was she always in the story from the start yeah She had been interviewed even before a Joe was. I believe the first interview with her I believe was in twenty fourteen so it predated me by several years and so yeah she was one of the folks who had been interviewed as kind of an expert on you know certainly tigers. She certainly wanted to go to people that you would go to. If you wanted to ask questions about tigers and so yeah she had been involved very early on and they continued to interview her over time over the over the span of you know about five years so got lots of different interviews sometimes on the same stuff certainly with different haircutters. Which always makes editing challenge? So yes she had been a essential part of it for a long time because you know her her message you know that. Tiger should not be in captivity. I mean that was that was very central to the general idea of the series from the beginning. Our mission is to ban the private possession of these magnificent animals. She wanted to shutdown zoo. And he wanted her on your person and you try and come into this facility. This is what you're going to be grief. Carol also became a central figure because she became Joe's nemesis in the story and also there was the mystery of what happened to Carol's first husband. Were these items always in the story as well yes. Obviously our conflict with JOE was established fairly early on I think in one of the first few interviews. She talked a lot about that. And I think that's probably what led the filmmakers to seek out Jo although again that predated me so I'm not exactly sure and the story about her missing husband. I also think came a little bit later. I don't think she volunteered that per se but I think that did come up as as more interviews. Were done so who were the original characters in the story. Besides Carol well there was a guy named tiger. Dave there was a fella who I think I had mentioned was was into snakes and different reptiles Because Eric goods One of the directors his background is in reptiles and turtles specifically so he knew a lot of these characters just from his earlier days being interested in in that topic and so the scene that is starts off Quite early in episode one. Where you see him talking to this reptile dealer and this guy shows up and has a snow leopard. That's how it happened. And then we felt very strongly that that scene you know what it's maybe wasn't filmed the best way. And there's a little clunky because we had to resort to voice over to explain that was going on which is the only time we do that. But it's truly what happened and so he was just blown away by that and so it kind of expanded from there and started focusing on tigers but yeah prior to that. He was meeting with a lot of different. There are a lot of different reptile people who are GonNa be you know potentially part of it Anyway lots lots of characters just ended up not being part of it. But you haven't mentioned Joe. Was He original he? I think he came in and around. I think he had the first interview with him. Was was two thousand fifteen. By the time I got involved he was a character. Yes definitely describe as as one of the original characters And I believe Mario also was quite early. I think I remember working with his material. Quite early onset. Mario is is the fellow. Who's WHO's also down in Florida and You know supposedly is the was the who the character for scarface was was based on because he had this drug dealing past and so he's very obviously very colorful character quite funny and charming in his own way. So Yeah so those are some of the bigger characters who were involved initially yeah. What was your favorite episode? Oh Gosh I have a soft spot for episode two because even though not that much happen story wise you really do a deep dive into the worlds of these people and for me. That's the core of how bonkers this place is. I mean you've got doc in his his ladies and his sort of very unusual personality you know. He's he's definitely one of a kind kind of guy you've got. Carol and she runs our organization in a very specific way. That's sort of reflects her quirkiness. Joe's Rag tag team of misfits as they call it. I just find it that everybody. E- You really get to know everybody in that episode and I think you know an earlier. Incarnation may be episodes one and two might have been part of a a single episode but but it ended up being rich enough that we were able to split out into this to episodes and kind of do a deeper dive as as we got more and more material the character who you know talks a lot about behind the scenes. Barbara Fisher who talks a lot about what it was like to work at docks. She was also a relatively late addition and really helped flesh out in the world of doc white well so I think she was filmed around this time last year. So I called out. I remember that so but it was. It was relatively late addition and and we're just throw when we saw that interview. We just we all just thought. Oh my God this this just exploded because now we can really kind of show this world in in a way that you. There's no way you could ever see from US filming anything so it really pulled back the curtain in a very dramatic way so I know that since this came out Carol has on. Her website talked about the series. And you know has used the word lies from your and how would you respond to that? Well I certainly. I don't think the intent was ever to detract from her mission. I mean I think the film stands behind her apprentice. Which is that you know. Tiger should not be bred. We did a really thorough job. We didn't WanNa just we're going to do this. And and dive into such a sensitive topic it was extensively researched. It was extensively fact checked. We did try to you know. Make sure that any statement was made a counter statement so that it would it would remain balanced. I did see some of the material she mentioned was stuff that she hadn't talked about so For example Don having a girlfriend down in Costa Rica. She had never mentioned that to us. So that was not something that we could have dealt with because may never had that information. There are things that that you know. Obviously we couldn't have anticipated because never heard it but I would say that we definitely stand by the proverbial reporting and it doesn't come to a conclusion so it is a mystery that process but we were able to secure interviews with folks who had not talked publicly. I don't believe Don's children had ever gone camera before. Certainly not in many many many years The character of Kenny. Who was Don's right? Hand man had never done any kind of interview before and he's the one who actually floats the idea that perhaps don engineered his disappearance which is an idea that I don't think he's been out there much. I I certainly feel for Carol and I understand why she you know. Of course she's GonNa defend herself and you know again. We don't come to a conclusion spoiler alert. We don't come to a conclusion. We just present lots and lots and lots of information and you know people have to kind of make up their own minds but from where it started to where it ended up. Must be very surprising to you. The the turns it took along the way. Yeah I mean for me you know hearing that Travis had killed himself and you know. We felt very strongly that we shouldn't use that footage. I thought it it seemed very exploitive but then we learned that it doesn't actually show travis you know the actual incident. You just showed another character. Josh how he reacted to that to that happening. And then when I when I saw that I realized you know what we we should show this because it's such a haunting image and it's it's really where Joe is kind of like he's like an he it's like he never grew up as a character. He's really just like kind of like a a kid with too much access to too many things But I think that moment it was very important moment because it it sort of changed everything and sent Joe into kind of a I think a really bad spiral understandably and so there are moments like that. I think I think seeing Barbara Fishes interview about doc was really eye-opening again Rick Erkin the fellow. Who was JOE's producer? That interview really pulled back lot of information also the interview with SAF. He talked about his incident with Zahn. Getting ripped off and or or at least badly damaged to the point where needed to be amputated. I mean that was just a nutty interviewed. Two and talk about you know well. I decided to take off my arm and get back to work because I really believe in the targets like wow. These tigers really have an alert. That people would make make a call like that. So yeah I mean there were definitely moments of very kind of important moments where we'd get a call from the sets you're not gonNA believe or you're about to get in two days after it sinked put together so just leave the spot for this so there were there. Were a lot of a lot of like okay. What's going on now? You're I'd get in the office and I beat the B train was delayed and not get in and they'll see everybody crowd around the table and go what just happened. I'm twenty minutes late. What did I miss? And it'd be some crazy revelation about about something so it was. It was a lot of just like okay regroup. Let's think about this. There are a lot of moments like that but The ones I mentioned. I think we're some of some of the most significant Carol Birthday next month to look at the fans on that one day I went out to open up the mailbox and it just exploded with snakes so at what point was the ending the ending. Well there was the issue of running out of time. I mean I think to be honest. I think given no deadline and endless resources. I think we probably would have just kept filming and we could have. We could have followed these. You know I mean. I'm sure Joe will appeal and you know there's GonNa be revelations here in revelations there but realistically we just had there was sort of an artificial ending like well. We just sold it to Netflix. And they wanted in November so that they can put it out and I. I learned a lot about what Netflix has to do in order. Get a show out there with all the languages in subtitling and all the crazy formatting stuff that you know. It'd be blissfully ignorant of so I. I definitely feel for the team there. You know I figured Netflix does a hard drive. You know in a basement somewhere but I've since learned it's more than that and so you know we just had. We just had a hard deadline so we had to just sort of reverse engineer from that. There were certain scenes that you know for example. There's a scene at the end where Joe Talks about the chimps and how he had kept the chimps separate and that he finally found a home for them and they they had embraced each other and he had. He realized that he had deprived them of that. Mean that was a scene that was super important for me and my wife actually had a friend of a friend of somebody who was wear those chimps ended up so that was something that was sort of sort of a personal mission in mind to kind of follow up on that and the woman there who sent us that footage so that was an example of something we wanted to build two. We thought well okay. Here's an example of of Joe. Kind of you know coming full circle and so to some extent we reverse engineered off that way but I mean the end of the trial is more or less the end of the story and so aside from sort of some epilogue e kind of beats and kind of wrapping up some of the characters. I mean that was what we had to kind of go by in terms of that and it was. It was unfortunate that we couldn't cover the sentencing but every step of Joe's being in jail everything would seem to go on six months longer than it would and it was really it was pins and needles for the editing team. Because you know we were waiting and waiting waiting waiting for this trial to start in a kept getting delayed and delayed and so finally started and it was over in a week you know and it was just had this dramatic result of him being convicted. And then it was this mad scramble so But to answer your question the end was we made the executive decision that this trial is going to be the end of the story because you know frankly when joe leaves the screen the show. Was You know losing a little bit of its main characters visual element and so there's only so long you can probably sustain that you know he. He existed as phone calls. But that's not the same. You want to see those spark shirts and all that stuff so that's kind of how it came around. Sometimes it's good to have an artificial reason to to to pull the plug on something you know because it's sparks your creativity and I you know. I think considering that we weren't really sure what was going to happen. I think we did a good job. Kind of like making it feel like it was it was coming to you. Know coming to ahead in her conclusion with those various characters there. So what's next for you? Well just joined this downtime There is some discussion of possibly looking at some other stuff that could have to do with tiger king. It's just it's on the back burner but it's something that you know. We're we're all sort of thinking about like well. We did revisit this. What would we look at? I mean it's been such a bizarre road that You know and and I do think that that it would be nice to you. Know there's definitely points of confusion. Let me put it this way. There are definitely put some points confusion that have come out and normally on a any kind of film you would love to have test screenings and spend years and years editing and getting lots and lots of actions. We really didn't have that opportunity. We were kind of flying by the seat of our pants. Netflix was super helpful in terms of flagging anything. That might be confusing. But I do think there's points of clarity that we definitely missed and it's sort of interesting but but one of the kind of ones that's that's biggest is people don't seem to understand that. Carol has tigers in cages. Because they're dangerous and it's it's surprising to me that people don't know that of course you can't take an animal whose raised in captivity. And just you know. Drop them into a jungle somewhere. You can't do that so that's why she has them in cages she hits. It's in there but I don't think it resonates enough and so that was a point of confusion that I think that if we if we could go back and revise something or or you know treat better. I think we over estimated something that to us seemed obvious but it clearly is not obvious to people so that was some some feedback that has definitely come out of the Social Media. Reaction to it is people definitely. Don't get that. Thank you so much for joining us and I hope you and your family stay safe during this time. Thank you you too hooker safe there.

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GSMC Social Media News Podcast Episode 249: Tiger King, Rap Wars, and Trending

GSMC Social Media News Podcast

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GSMC Social Media News Podcast Episode 249: Tiger King, Rap Wars, and Trending

"Golden state media concepts social media podcast time to Hashtag everything we talk about all the fun. Crazy stories on social media instagram facebook. To Tumbler or probably even friendster, join us as we explore. The Quirky of social meets the Golden State Media Concept Social Media podcast simple symbols. Though one game. Thank you for tuning into the jets MC Social Media News podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I am your host one Newsom, thank you tune it in compensation lists, thrillseekers listeners. Let's go ahead and kick this off just to give you a rundown today. We're GONNA talk about. The new craze over Joe Exotic Aka Tiger King he's all over the Internet twitter facebook twitchy everywhere, memes videos make up videos. His face is all over the Internet. I've never seen anything like it. Also eminem Nick Cannon and Machine Gun Kelly now. What are these guys thinking? We're GONNA get into that later. Because as far as I'm concerned, EMINEM is a legend. Third WE'RE GONNA talk about social media events and the latest news on twitchy. There's a lot of stuff out there. Folks a lot of entertainment things. Last, but not least and I think this is the best at we're saving the best for less I'm going to tease you here, folks. It has something to do with basketball and dancing and I know. You're scratching your San. What does that have to do? What does basketball have to do with dance? Well, folks? Stick around, and we'll see so let's go into this first segment host tiger king. Oh my goodness now sometimes. When I'm on Internet I'm just browsing and crews, and like anyone else that I have no idea what tiger king is or or what's going on, but I just see all of these means, and and these pictures of this guy and tigers and cats and I'm scratching my head like wh-. Still funny even though I didn't have the context or the content. They're still funny memes and pictures of Joel Exotic. Tiger King, but then I started calling around and asking folks. What does this? Who is this guy with the Tigers and so started parral the Knicks flicks after a few phone, calls and Lo and behold. Tiger King Series Documentary and so folks just like everyone. I went down the rabbit hole of net flicks and I had to tune in and Oh. My God tiger king is a comedy, but is also a tragedy if you ask me. Now after looking at it, looking at first of all. Of all. First of all tiger king, come on man. Okay, it's okay to have one husband, but you got to husbands now. How do you pull that off? Okay. Of all how come? You're barely feeding your staff. Come on tiger, King. Come on man. They work with tigers. You make all this money, but then your pin pension on the staff so. I showed introduce tiger, king and his background, and how he got into the business, and how he you know, he originally worked for another. Guy Dog who has eight wise? We've we come to find out. So I mean the whole thing is a real big mess. I mean it's like a car crash just like it's like an infant car crash, but you just can't stop. Watching folks is just so entertaining now I know to be honest. I kinda feel ban. It doesn't end well for tiger king in this, so I kind of feel bad for him because you know, he seems like a pretty likable guy. Overall and you know I can tell. He does care about those animals, but. You know he made a lot of enemies and you know when you. Find yourself in life a lot of enemies. You. You end up sometimes you end up in the corner with nowhere to go, and that's that's Kinda worried. That's Kinda word in, but if you look at some of the memes, go and look at tiger, they even have a tiger king, meam maker Nail where you can do your own stuff. But they had one mean of Tiger King, and on twitter they had a feed of tiger king and him. Being the front man for the group poison. He does kind of look like the guy he really. Really Do okay. Oh my God, and then they have this one picture of him in his blue shirt. Content, this picture is being circulated I. Think more so than other. Others of him. Hugging Tiger Hugging grown tiger at that. On twitter! On twitter, they have the best of tiger king, so there's a twitter handle or a twitter user group handle they have. The best of the tiger. Kings series video. That's pretty interesting. Oh Wow. And that includes some of the funniest moments that includes. Some of the stuff with the animals. That includes also. A while they have some stuff for Kara Bask and his his his primary competitor, who Kinda drove him out of business. Oh my God. To me, that was really the sad part I mean. She drove this poor man out of business. He did copyright infringe somewhat. He skated online, but H is sue the crap. Now Cara Baskin his his main competitor. The lady that is in charge of she's the owner and proprietor, her husband of big cat rescue, which is different from tiger, king or joys of big cat rescue entertainment. That's where the lawsuit came in. She suspected of killing one of her husband's because he's disappeared. Highly Possible, they sued Carroll Baskin. Food Tiger kings mother. Because they transferred assets in her name, and she almost lost the House Oh. My God this I mean this story. It just goes on and on I did finish the series. And, if look, if you like this sort of thing, folks if you're, GonNa, if you like what's on social media, you're going to like the series because the theories. It's really good story, but again like I said it just. It just doesn't into well. For, Business Tiger King now. I think I honestly think that. Hopefully. In the. End Again I think taking. Is GonNa work out currently right now? He's serving. A stint in prison, but you know who knows? Maybe he'll get out I. know his friend. His friend Jeff took over the zoo because he was Kinda financially. Support Him in the in. Before, you go into prison, but you know you just never know. I can't believe it. Though this guy did so much, he will such. He was so flamboyant. You know the two husbands and all he had. He ran for president in two thousand sixteen as an independent. He ran for governor of Oklahoma two years later as Libertarian. And this series The tiger team series on net flicks it I mean a huge huge following I mean according to the Nielsen Ratings. Nearly thirty four point, three million people watched it over the first ten days. So that just tells you right there. They're gonNA make I. Mean He's odor huge huge. Cash, cash, and it soon as you get out even though he doesn't. Own all the rights to the videos and so forth. In the series they talk about that had. He had a partner Rick Kirk who did all of the video shooting. And so forth, but this guy is going. Be a lot of money. In addition. States that Jill. Exotic. Birth, name Joe Maldonado. He is suing the federal government for wrongful imprisonment and. You never know he he may. Actually he may actually pull that off, but hope hopefully he gets out and we get here some more of the story right now. You know he's in prison, but even though he's imprisoning, his legacy lives on I. Mean if I'm flipping through unproven now through twitter, I mean he is. He is really too hot topic. And I'm sure he's hearing about it and seeing it in prison and thinking. thinking of ways, the cash the cash. The cash in once you get out, Hashtag Tiger King. Has Tech I mean you could do. Hash Tat Tiger King and on twitter and has pictures everywhere. Also there, there's even some of the staff that are trending. On twitter fee. This lady Morgan priced. He said Oh my God. I just met SAF from Tiger game. That's the young lady who lost her arm. While attendant to one at a tigers, so wow, this is! The Internet I mean Tiger King for the first few days broken internet another picture catch up. The day has a picture of a cartoon picture of Tiger King. Joe Exotic again. They're. Tiger King. Jet Ski guys sign. a good. Oh. My goodness, they even have. My even have tiger kings, little kids dressing up. As Tiger King does if it was a holiday. I guess they. Halloween. COSTUME PER SE. David have a picture of Nick Cage. Nicholas cage is. Yes. I don't know if it was you know photoshop, or whatever it says Nick Cage on the only way twenty twenty can make sense of Nicholas. Cage to give the universe the movie he's been. Distant for all his life, Tiger King, then the work, and he'll and move on from his Dr Please please join them in his vision quest. That is absolutely hilarious. Another poster staff by parents. Eating for real eating knicks to the guy from Tiger King Oh wow. Yep, that's on Jeff. Low The guy who took over the zoo. So. Wow Tiger king is hot man. It is hot. Let me go to facebook. Let's go. Let's go to facebook folks. Facebook has even more pictures more so. So. Okay facebook all of the means. All of the means our facebook I. Mean if he just? You can go ahead and do Hash Tiger King or Even type Tiger King. Oh the big cat rescue. Well that's not tiger kings. There are a lot of cartoon pictures Tiger King. And this guy has a huge huge huge lower. then. They have a comic. Of. Tiger King Versus Care Baskin, he has guns and she's waving her finger. God well. My opinion on this subject is I think. Tiger king came. At the right time you know, there's other things outside of this room. I know we don't do politics on this show, but I believe that you know this show was a and it seemingly. You know you can't get away from politics anywhere else. Even in sports I think tiger king gave us a little escape. you know here's something. people are always. Curious about exotic animals and you know why. Why they're being kept, and you know there's a lot of celebrities that. They hold exotic animals. Some celebrities they they adopt and they to care for. His animals in their homes, and so forth, and I think that that was a part of on. Homina, another part of the phenomenon just I. Think the general public just wanted an escape. and to be really entertained. And to have shirty that. You know nothing political entered into the into the pair view. Through this venues so I think those are the things that. That's why tiger king and also the personalities. That were there on the show. I think made it that much sweeter. In the future, you know, hopefully, you know. Mr Zeid. It gets out and you know again, maybe he can. Do another do another documentary. Do another series or You know we'll get an update on his life and status. So it's just interesting. This was a crazy phenomenon. I was an innocent bystander and all of a sudden I woke up one morning, and I was inundated with Tiger team means not knowing what what in the world had happened. Who who who is this man that's been paraded on the Internet on twitter and on facebook on instagram. You know, hold on all of these. Exotic animals so. Tiger King I know you imprison. No. You're down, but I know you're not out. We're out here. We'll still floating your material. Your legacy lives on. So hopefully we'll see you sue. You WanNa. Be Healthier yet. You just don't know what to do. All these shows telling you this and that, but nothing seems to work well. Listen close golden state media concepts has got something great for you. The health and wellness podcast dedicated to work out. Eating Habits Diane everything about healthy living. Join us in our banters as we help you not just live life to the fullest, but live it to the healthiest. So, we'll back from the Greek. In our previous. We Discuss Tiger King. And if you missed that, you can catch that on. I tunes ordered G. M.. G. S. M. C. Website. Where we! Have, our pike has. Embedded. So next subject we're GonNa talk about these rat wars and this is something that. I really don't understand so. I'm looking on twitter I. I had no idea this thing was going on and I'm on social media all the time. Maybe it's because I have other interests. So. Apparently, there's a three way we're really. There's a bilateral war going on between EMINEM and machine gun Kelly, also eminem and Nick Cannon. So Machine Gun Kelly is tweeting about Eminem, his daughter and so forth they're going back and forth on songs. First of all machine gun Kelly. Who in the heck are you okay? And I heard you this song I heard this song I saw the tweet. It was perfect because you talking about eminem's order, but. I heard this song. For you. Are you kidding me first of all. This guy built this career of battle rap in early in his career. He came into the industry. As a battle rapper in Detroit and he came to New York and smoke some dues to. Behind the scenes. Of all in this guy is one of the best rappers. EMCEES of all time. I if you look at look. There is a reason why. There's a reason why eminem. Is On. The top ten of hip hop. Album sales of all the times. So Weiss. Twice. He's on that thing twice man. The only other person who's up there twice. To. Are you guys freaking end it can, and what are you doing? For. Machine GonNA. Kill me first of all okay so. You'RE GONNA kill. It comes out with this track. It was okay. He has long decent rams up there. There are some stock they apparently EMINEM didn't even know about you know about him. Not being able to have access and trying to shelve his album and so forth. There's an interview up there with Eminem and sway. And they went over some of the lyrics, and apparently imminent had no idea. This guy existed which. I could believe because. WHO The world is this guy? Sagan of all. Thinking about eminem comes out. With his distract and just totally kills this guy. Social Media. Is All over it. I mean not just facebook. and. Twitter. But also youtube, there's a lot of reviewers on you to. Reviewing. These this this war. So. Okay here you go. I'm on. I'm on I'm more twitter now. username Josh So, let me get this straight. Revolt is mad about Lee verse. More when it comes to journalists, artists who constantly trash eminem on their platforms coup. MG K. signed to ditty. Charlemagne and button. Yeah, that's another Joe Biden. Just stop it. Stop it! STOP IT JOE! Biden okay. You have one. Or Two popular song. And only reason why one of those songs made a lot of money is because it was on the fast and furious soundtrack. Let's stop. Let's stop it right there. Stop it right there. Okay, here we go! Did he really put 'em. G K over logic N. G. E. easy well the least he got an m rate. EMINEM be like I know a spot that doesn't exist. MGK's career Oh my goodness. That's Kuchis. Daddy s the user name I don't know what he could. These names are mart. I still can't believe how good kill shot by eminem really is imagine going for him seriously. Yes, if you listen to that. If you listen to that song, kill shot by. He was not really going after him seriously, but he will still killing a there's even reference to him. Building MD K. in order to. Shut his career down so maybe he went a little light on G K in order for him to respond again. So that he can give him the ultimate killer shot. That's just my theory. I'm not sure that's just a theory. That I'm floating out there. So here it is I can't believe good kill shop I really is imagine going for him. SERIOUSLY MGK silly boy ain't heard nothing from him since that apart from his movie role, Oh net flicks. Cheese Mrs White's absolutely wild to me that people ever thought 'EM VK was ever even close to being good or bad imminent S. That's the whole thing. People Eminem. I. Don't see it so. I'll tell you who did machine gun Kelly. Nick Cannon. For some reason, Lloyd Jamal From Brand Nubian. He has to I. Don't know what that's about. If the guy's talented the guys, I think a lot of this. They just they discriminate because of his style and. You know he's not. He's not really talking a lot of streets. The imminence eminem music is very introspective. He's talking about his his thoughts. His feelings his family his life. Early in his career, he talked a lot about his wife and his mom, but then it's it's. It's still relatable. It don't. Look folks. I'm forty, okay? The history in the history of rap I have gotten to see it from almost very beginning until until where it's evolved to before. It was just new. York New York had all the rappers right really. then. It kinda migrated over to to to La. and. Common in Chicago. He was a really popular rapper in early ages. Maybe I will say the second generation of rap account. A lot of guys that you would consider old his. Second Generation of average for generations, like you know sugarhill gang and Houdini, Kubo D. and and those goals carrots, but at the end second-generation you know you're looking at. A. Red Man's and I mean you have? You read man's on your Wu. Tang clan and You have. Rap has evolved. You know it went from an lay to the south. outkast and from outkast's he had. Ti and live band ludicrous and I mean it just. Rap is one of those things he fought, and people in Detroit have stuff to talk about me and Detroit you talking about Detroit. In nineteen, sixty, four one of the highest capita income's in the country. In terms of you know upper middle class, and it's a very very depressed area now. And so all those kids were doing in the nineties in Detroit, they were wrapping. They were wrapping, or you know if they weren't trying to do something positive, get an education. They were doing things. But. I could see how a rapper from Detroit. A white rapper from Detroit could make it because. There is a lot of opinion there and so. These guys Lord Jamal. Lewis Jamal Machine Gun Kelly Nick Cannon. And You guys are wack. He calls Lloyd. You borrow the weakest link. Brand Nubian which you know somewhat. Okay. Here's another post. Good to everyone except it's all about to be because he prefers eminem over MGK's tasteless. Emma now wise nobody. Okay, here here's the projection posts imminent. Wise nobody talking about how great I am Educa-, live life, happy and being multitalented Eminem I'm going to mention him again, so folks can talk about me again. Oh God obviously m G. K Fan. So people are obviously taken sides on this. How some of these people saying that Mt Care Bed, it's better than Eminem. I have no. No. Clue how that's happening! I really don't. Nick Hannah, so let me finish this thing out when they can. Knit cannon. I met your mom. Personally Beth, very nice lady, so for the Sake Oh Beth. I'M GONNA. Be Nice because. We, had to get together and Buffalo. Now Buffalo. Albany! And she was the guest of friend of the family, and I got to talk to her for a long time, and so for the sake of both I'm GonNa Be Really Nice of you, nick, cannon your music is lack is totally whack. Stop tweeting about EMINEM. Stop sending this tapes. Stop just started. Just stop it. Just injure rap career, okay? One Song Gigolo and the only thing that made that thing great was that are Kelly produced it, but that it you whack on it so all. It is diss eminem stuff. Come on come on man. You talk about one of the greatest rappers. Wanted the greatest hip hop artists who ever lived and there's not a rapper a laugh today that would challenge him and I know damn well. You won't challenge them. You couldn't hold his jock strap in a suitcase. Basically, so please cut it out. Cut It out and Laura Jamal look man. You had your time. Okay, you really. Did you like Brand Nubian? One of my favorite rap groups of all time. You guys a hardcore. If I if I had to look up pure hip hop in the dictionary you picture, be right next to come on man. Stop it with the hey, brother, give credit where credit is due. You Go Vlad and trashes do all the time come on, man you just building him up anyway I. don't even really need building he's. He's nobody's GonNa. Challenge this guy. Nobody wants a piece that has guy. In a battle is just. It's just not gonNA happen. That includes you guys. And Machine Gun. Kelly just Chiro Manjit. Build your own career. You don't have to. You don't have to cut the head off a anyone to build your own career. You can wrap. I've listened to your stuff. You're very good. You just need some material really. Find something to talk about. You don't have to be on twitter all day long distant eminem talking about his daughter. and. That's really inappropriate, so come on, guys come on, guys and Eminem look. From you to me, brother! Keep on doing what you're doing. Don't let these haters stage you. Kamikaze was one of my favorite albums of all time I'm not just saying as a fan of yours. I'm saying this because it's just good stuff. You know and some of these kids. They don't really appreciate. Good hip hop now. Okay I'm on twitter again oh my goodness. It's not. You gotta go and listen to this way, guys the sway interview. It captures everything. Oh Oh here. It is serious. EMINEM is Shirley Holmes of wrap. Your friendly reminder to Eminem murdered indicate love them both though path. That's that's what's up. Does anyone quinton with drop. Kick into. That's the name that's his handle. Does. Anyone else remember. The MGK and eminem distracting felt like a fever dream. That is hilarious. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen close and here this out. There's there's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is. Nothing less than podcast bliss endless hours of podcast coverage. From News Sports Music Fashion Entertainment, fantasy football, and so much more so stop alerted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to. PODCAST. Whatever it may be. visit us at www dot Jesus MC podcast dot com follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud Google play. MOCHI! They got smokey and Craig from from Friday damn. Tell you. The Internet does not lose baby. That's what I mean the. Wants to get out there. Look in the end I wouldn't take. The MT I would be scared to death the challenge eminem man, let alone in the era of the Internet where he could just. Break you off, and then the Internet response in such a way. Folks coming up again? Next. We're going to go to social media news and twitchy. Twitter facebook, but also last segment. You want to be here. Basketball and dancing. Back for our. Third Segment. We're going to go to the latest on social media. If you missed out first two segments first segment. We talked about Tiger King Aka. Joe Exhausted phenomenon to me. One of the biggest phenomenon is on the Internet ever. Second Statment we talked about the rat wars between eminem machine gun Kelly. And Nick Can. which to me isn't really a war because Eminem outgun both of those chumps. And now we're going into the latest. Social Media But I. WanNa let you know our last segment. We say the best for less basketball and dancing folks. You'RE NOT GONNA. WanNa miss this. So keep that thing. Tuned on, keep. It lacked. Keep it hot. We're going to go in. We're GONNA. Go in now, so here we go. So latest and Social Media News. My favorite is entertainment and media. Okay okay apparently. The creators of the simpsons say white void white voice actors will no longer voice people color. Just yellow ones. Okay, I don't get that. I guess they do have the character Abu there. Who the convenience here it is I'm GonNa just read a quick expert absurd. Sorry in Simpson's have been brutus before after documentary, no-one solvents voice as to step aside from voice in Indian American character Apu. Now, we have Kristen Bell Apologize Senate she'll no longer voice a mix rates character on that flick. Central Park and Mike Henry who has been the voice of Cleveland Brown on Family Guy the Cleveland show for twenty years. He'll step aside to make room for a person of color to take the role. Oh, invoices, actress Jenny slate will no longer voice missy a biracial character on the Netflix series big mouth. It's an animation revolution people now the simpsons which has vowed to. Okay okay okay. That's all. That's far. We're going to go there. Okay. Oregon and Oregon State will no longer referred to in-state robbery games that often divide family loyalties and civil war. Oh, wow. I had no idea. Get Bad in Oregon. I could imagine though look or look some of your family's support. Oregon some of your family's support Oregon State. It may get a little testy at the barbecue. I could get that here. It is Oregon Oregon State. Mutually agree to no longer refer to the Oregon state revenue gain as the civil war. Okay? I can see how hey. I can see how that can happen Michigan Michigan State Hey. It's not just them. There are other teams, but. What you get where I'm from Virginia, so there was UvA Virginia Tech. That was kind of a battle or Below us. We travel down to North Carolina the North Carolina State. UNC Game. They would get pretty testy. No matter what sport worth so. I can kind of relate to that. I can kind of relate to that. All right. Read Piece Splash Mountain. Oh, no, what happened is plasma. The Man Disney Splash Mountain based on the nineteen forty six film song of the South will be completely reimagined with seen for more. Okay. So they're going PC. That's fine. They're going to do. They're going to do a review. They're gonNA. Do it over. That's perfectly fine. That's fine. They're going to remodel it I. thought they were GonNA. Take it away, okay. Oh right. All right all right entertainment news cartoons. Cartoons now there's. Oh Goodness Gracious Mom Dad your. Why did he goes a little? Okay? We can't do this. Do we're not a political show, okay? We're not doing this media. Let me. Go Media. Okay. Okay I can't escape it. I'm going to twitter about that. Home of the. Oh Wow. HUFFINGTON impose. Before you drink, another glass of wine, read this. Okay. This is going to be interesting because this is twinned. This is Kinda trending. On Twitter Lottery treats. One Point one point. One point eight thousand seven thousand lice. Why. This at home wine tasting experiences given us life. Okay. I'm not GonNa read the whole article, but I can kind of give you an idea. We all love ones. The most most nights a week, our editor sip a glass or two. To wind down after work, but lately get a liquor store difficult, and most not in wine is out of stock last time I checked why risk going out and finding a mediocre selection when you could have wines, you love delivered directly to your door. Oh? My wife would love this. into her tasting room tasting room. The fastest growing wine club in the nation is changing. How wine is so they bring interactive wine tasting to you and we're offer anything that means. We don't have to leave the house these days. Think of it as the movie industry where you don't where you do, go to rent a movie and who gives you a movie recommendation. If you're anything like me, look forward to net flicks and food after work. We don't hit the video. Soda Browser releases recommended movies anymore. Likewise, new technology has penetrated the wine industry. Now. This is something that's going to pick up. Take off! because. You know you're stressed out. You're stressed out of. Your Day and you go to work and you come home and you deal with the kids especially if you have if you have kids, when even if you don't have kids, you have your day at work you WanNa come home. You want to sit down. Look. The best thing you could do is have a nice meal and get to a nice glass of wine afterwards. No way better to injure day. So wow. This is brilliant actually. Let me. Have this before my wife gets here. Let's see here. They have a mean for two ladies. How much do you spend on a bottle of wine? I would guess about half an hour. HILARIOUS! Absolutely hilarious. Oh, this is a good one. Yeah. Look you know what? I am actually going to save this website. So that I can have a look at this wind service later. All right. Oh No. Okay! Anything does huffing posted something. I most definitely will support. Oh Wow. Nice. A lot of good response to this. Some. Negative responses I don't know why I mean. Look. Wine is universal. I mean huffing to huff post in be political they have. An opinion section, but they also have other sections so I don't. I don't see how why can be political. WINE CLUBS ARE PRETTY COOL I. Dabbled a little. Okay. All Right? What else is trending? What else is trending? happening. Let me, go Here I'm here, folks. I'm trying to get you more stuff. Who Don't control. Okay. Season two. Doom patrol is coming out. and. You can see it on Hbo Max. Oh Nice. Okay. I'M GONNA. Check it out season. One was great. CYBORG think a lot of people check that out for. Victor Stone Cyborg. Probably the most major character course victors you know Cyborg was a justice. League member as well. So. For those of you that don't know. I am a comic head. Annemie hit and that's. That looks pretty cool actually. What else is trendy. I'm a twitter guy man. It's just. It's so I mean I love facebook, though but man. Like twitter is just I like the way that they're. When you see what's the way that things know the algorithms and how the? The trending is displayed their. They have very good display. Oh, is Elon Musk birthday? I like airline. The dude is he, is Tony Stark though I'm telling you? Guys hilarious. Lot of birthday wishes. If you go down if you on twitter, and you scroll all the way down in the trending section. And it has eat line. and his birthday is their. K.. What else? Other things. For some reason, the exorcists is trending. Oh God. It's funny. I saw XS trending I thought lender Blair was getting canceled for playing possessor, instead of actual possess girl getting the role Oh my God. That is hilarious and so not PC. Happy Birthday to the legendary Dick Smith. Who did the makeup? Effects of hunger scanners alter state star masks home. The exorcist go story monsters many others. John, John, beebe to to the exorcist to this day I still find it to be the scariest film ever made. Yes, definitely. I saw this movie with my sister. Cynthia guy rest or so. She low. She was just one of those scary movie people. You just can't take it. She could sit there and take it all day. Lake without blinking eating. Don't see how she did that all the time, but. She did it? She just a scary movie buff so. Anything I missed that about her. What Oh what movie traumatize you a me jaws, and then the exorcist. And I- Pandy I'm not gonNA put a whole handle up here. The experts stinks to uncle Adam for thinking. This was an appropriate movie for seven-year-old Watch while you baby semi. That is absolutely hilarious. Folks I'm laughing because united. Just remember seeing it so. Let. Make some horror. Movies stand out excess great directors. I wish more great ones would do horrible or once in a while. That is funny. That is funny. What else is trending folks? Let me see what else. For at this segment ends. Mel Brooks. What about middlebrooks? He's trending, YEA! Oh, this is birthday as well so Elon, Musk and mel, Brooks. 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Okay and I wanted to tease. Tell teased all. You through all three previous segments first segment, we talked about tiger king, second one the right words between Eminem Nick, cannon and empty K. Thursday. We went over some of the latest Social Media News, and so the last, but not lease. I wanted to talk about is it's been trending on facebook? Especially, facebook and twitter. The last dance baby, Michael, Jordan, okay and the reason why is because? For the last two years, I've been on social media. I don't even have to get on specific. Posts. Okay, this thing's been bothering me okay. Last two years social media. Specific polls. Referring to. Lebron James. And the goat. All these millennial back hands. That's what it is. Basically what it is. You guys ain't really seeing basketball. So! Don't get me wrong. The basketball players today are great. They're better dribblers ball handlers. They shoot better. Overall generally. But you gotta understand. The defense is weaker. There's less there's the game is not as physical as it was back then Jordan and used to get murdered going into the whole man, especially about a Pistons, the bad boy Pistons. Are you kidding me so? I wanted to talk about the last dance because I lived through that era. And I just happened to know a lot about it probably the last three seasons. Probably saw every one of those games. Last those last three Pete. That lasts three P.. I saw everyone of those games just about because Wgn I lived in Virginia at the time. wgn was one of the major networks that we had wanted to major sports networks that we had on a cable package on cable. And I saw every bull's game. Pretty much. So I know a lot about. And I even saw some of those games in person I got travel either to win. They played the bullet at the time. The Washington bullets which are now the Watson Wizards and I got to play in saw Michael Jordan in one game in Chicago so. Let me tell you something. It is the tease you at the end of this I'm GonNa give you my top ten basketball players and Mattel. You specifically reasons why okay? So. A lot of the I'm in a lot of these sports groups. First of all the means from the last dance were hilarious okay. They had one meanwhile Michael Jordan was talking about meat and Patrick Ewing when they had to fly up to to New York to play. and. Jordan looking for anything to motivate him to have a better game. Took offence when you when you said you know. I hope you do your thing today. It's like do my thing. What do you mean do my thing? And then he has this. Angry Count Look. He said well, you know. I guess I got offended when he cut back to the scene where? Jordan talk into the camera. And then the next thing you know. Jordan is over you and Dunkin all on them and so forth, and it's just pretty hilarious. Just a pretty hilarious theme. In the last dance. But but here's the other thing now. Say. It is but there's politics and everything. Does whole goat conversation. This thing is bothering me going back to that. We're just one second. What about Colby? Nobody I mean. Look. This is just my opinion. Lebron Ain't better than Cobra Okay. I'm sorry. I love the Brian. Okay I think Lebron is the difference will come and tell you the difference I'm GonNa tell you why. These players are being treated differently. Lebron is very. Public. Friendly! Good father good herdsmen all that. Very Public Guy, he he. He's kind of opened his life up. You know you see him and his kids games. And you never saw any of that with Mike nothing my was might was very public, but he he segregated. He compartmentalize asses life okay. Colby! was never very public with his life. And when he got in trouble in Colorado there what happened? He's got even less public. You know he which is, he wasn't. He wasn't friendly. To the media he was you know he would go and do his interviews and be out. He wasn't buddy buddy with them like that. That's why that's another reason why they're skipping over Kobe. Okay, this political reasons for this. Kobe is an exact comedy Jordan. And there are some things that Kobe does better than in Jordan to. But they skip. And here's here's another thing, too. Here's another layer to this somebody's sports analysts. That you watch on TV everyday. And Some of them, former players a lot. The former players like Jordan and whatnot respect them and slow four, but I'm talking about somebody sports analysts. Who may be NS, who may be on ESPN or Fox or somebody those stations? Maybe when Jordan was dominated into Lee, they were. They were calm in for their local teams. You know they were doing the local. You know whether it's the local radio or call game or whatever? So they got a witness. Jordan come in and trash their teams. Repeatedly over the course of years. So. That's that's that's another hidden element that no one's even talking about. But don't worry uncle. Wind is going to bring this up because. Because I analyze stuff like this so this. This is what I do this why? Why. This is why they pay me what they pay me over here, okay? So you uncle one. Is telling you that they're look Shannon Sharpe Shannon. Sharpe has gone crazy. Out His dog online talking about Lebron is the goat. When the numbers don't add up. I could see if Shannon Sharpe say okay, I think is corrine air the case for corrine? Corrine is arguably no and even argument. The Best College basketball player ever live. I mean you know there's a few on that list Corinne you can James Worthy on Liz. Lynne Biogas you know like? There's only a few people that stick out on that greatest college player of all time list right all right. Kristen Leitner. Okay. But, then you gotTa Kareem. Who didn't ever took a year off? Dominated again pretty much in. The in his entire career from the center position even though we. would eat his lunch occasionally. Now all right I'm going to just put that out there. We'll check in with has Leonard. He would block the Skyhook. Okay They never talk about that, but okay anyway, so Shannon Sharpe said Corinne was. Go all right all right. You Got Arguments Shannon. You got an argument I can't argue with you. Because Kareem was great. The all time scoring leader, he has so many accolades so many trophies so many championships. But Lebron the Goatman. I just hate to say and I love Lebron. I Seen Lebron. Play Up. He came up here to play against the net. And and he's incredible, and here's the unfortunate thing. And I hate. Turn this into from former sports, Social Media Park Hassles, or it's podcast, but I gotta do because you're not gonNA. Hear this anywhere else. The Brian is so talented. We didn't. I honestly believed that force analysts because they're lazy. And because they don't have anything else to talk about because they are not willing to do their jobs. Is that we candidate and to enjoy? The Lebron legacy. You understand what I'm saying that you know trying to compare him to Jordan out the box. They just kinda undercut their. Undercut that was that was a dean on his legs. They denied his legacy by. Claiming. He was the goat so much. You know and they put the president on his kid early in his career. Mantis, come on. Do came out of high school. What do you expect? So. Social media goes crazy. It's twenty four seven. This is something that's not gonNA stop until maybe Lebron retires maybe not even then. But I'm going to bring this into two. They've compared so many other people Michael Jordan. Okay there. I was Hera minor which he had potential. But his career didn't pan out the way today thought it with the call him baby Jordan. That I thought had potential the past. Jordan got injured Grant Hill. They were comparing grant hitting at grant healed. Game Was the light Jordan's okay. and. He was a little bit quicker. Off The dribble in Jordan was coming out, and then he was so season. He was so season as a college player. And he could shoot and he could defend I mean he when he was in Detroit I remember the his first couple of seasons in Detroit after he was drafted, he gave Jordan and pippen the businessman grant. He'll go back and look at the Grant Hill highlights. When will you to against Jordan and Pippen Oh my goodness? Gave them the business okay. Third. Third and now they did coby. Coby, when Kobe, I came into the League, he came out of high school. His game wasn't. Like Jordan's, but he had a lot of potential, but he kind of mimic Jordan's game and it works, but there are some things that Kobe does better enjoyed it. I thought he was a more efficient shooter. Okay Kobe was more. This is my impression from what I've read and what I've seen in terms of the team dynamic Kobe's little bit more friendlier to teammates, you know. Yeah. He's one of those flora generals that are GonNa push you that you can rely on a good team leader, but he's a little bit. More Friendlier According to Jackson Kobe was A. BET cracked Assir. Phil Jackson said themselves he'd never seen anyone. That practice is hard as Kobe so. That's just really a testament to To how great was, but the media's ignoring his guy because he wasn't friendly to them, he wasn't friendly to him. So. I don't know folks. I mean you to any basketball sports group on facebook and twitter. Go to Shannon Sharpe facebook page. And Shannon Sharpe twitter. And some of the video where he's calling, he's got a goat. This dude is crazy. He's literally has a goat. Head on with the Lakers Jersey. And he's calling the Brian Go James. Come on here. Come on, Shannon What happened Man Jordan not give you an autograph or something. Is that what happened? Did Not give you an autograph. Did he not. With all it is Jordan. Where's Jordan hate coming from Shannon? Come on man. Come on man. You're killing me. You Kill Shannon. You kill me. You gotTA. Give credit where credit score my top ten. It's going to be briefed I Mike Jordan. Of course greatest basketball player of all time greatest ability of all time. Put money into the lead. There was no money in the NBA into the Jordan gap there, there was no sneaker endorsements. The NBA had grown globally second koby. That's all I'm. GonNa say Corinne Third Okay. Lebron James I'm GONNA put him at number four. Right then I'm going to put Magic Johnson. Dan I'M GONNA put Larry Bird. Then I'm GonNA put Charles Barkley. Then I'm gonNA put Lukine Akeem. He's number eight. All right. I'M GONNA put Scottie Pippen. Doggone it, Scottie Pippen is wanted greatest. I'm sorry. That's just my opinion. Scottie, pippen is wanted to go. All right. Then on putting Bill Russell. Doesn't matter all right. You got a problem with it. Come see me. Okay folks I just wanted to thank you for listening. 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