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"Common Sense commentary on Politics Culture and current events. If it's on your mind, it's in the news and now in the news with your host Mike Dakkak. Last. Saturday night, a man by the name of Gabe Johnson. was in his Portland home, trying to sleep Johnson lives in downtown Portland, a block away from the Justice Center. An area which has seen ongoing protests for just about two months. This is where the federal court houses federal courthouses. This is where a lot of federal buildings are. It's the epicenter of the unrest in Portland. So, this man gave Johnson is bed. He's trying to sleep but noise from the protests are. Kept him awake. He counts eighty two explosions and all that night, which we can spend several minutes on just that one sentence alone, eighty, two explosions I mean. If that's not the definition of a war zone, I'm not sure what is. But as his air conditioner was running, and so it's bringing in air from the outside through the vents. Soon, his home is overtaken by tear gas from the street below. So at that moment, he decides that he's going to take some action the next day around noontime, he takes several American flags, and by the way this, all these facts are all pieced together from several interviews. This man is given over the last week or ten days. The next day around noontime, he'd take several American flags and goes down to the protests. He says, I. Didn't believe prior to going down there and talking with these people. I didn't believe what I used to call the rhetoric about Antifa about how they were anarchists, and now about how they were trying to destroy the country in. There were just all about destruction not. He said I was thinking that there may be just some you know punk kids or whatever, and maybe there was some righteous anger in there somewhere. I quickly found out. He says, that's not the case. Johnson is an African. American. He worked for the Department of State after spending eight years in the US. Marines and so he served a lot of duty overseas. He says ANTIFA ANARCHISTS IN PORTLAND. This is him talking now. Are Using the same tactics he seen used by terrorists overseas. It got spotters with cameras that follow you around. He says, they've got their thugs those. Guys, with with baseball bats walking around baseball bats, they have people that will intimidate you wearing black lives matter attire. The black lives matter movement he says, has turned into something else and Tif has attached itself to this movement now and it's taken over I, would quibble with him a little bit in this one regard. It's not that Antigua has attached itself to this movement and taking over, it's the way it's always been is just much more visible now. Johnson by the way says, he's not a conservative does not support Donald Trump. He considers himself a moderate. He's just tired of watching America be torn apart at the seams coming apart at the seams. It's beyond me. He says how they can sit there and say they're not causing damage or rioting. He said it's a riot and it's real. And when you were on the front line and you're looking, this is where it gets interesting for me. He says, when you're on the front line and you're looking back into the into the crowd, it's an angry mob that is built on doing as much destruction as possible. He says, unfortunately, ninety percent of the people don't look like me. And Ninety nine percent of the people that I talked to don't even live in Portland. says. If you're down there and at one of these movements are one of those protests. One of the things you're going to notice is there's a lot of out of state license plates and people are not shy about it. He says, they're very brazen actually very forthright about the fact that no, we're not from here. Johnson goes down to the protests with his flags to start a conversation with people. He says to exchange ideas find a little bit more about their beliefs. Hopefully, explain a little bit about what his beliefs are. Instead he says, he was assaulted both verbally and physically protesters called him a coon. You'll have to excuse my language, but I'm quoting him directly here. Protesters called him coon Ankle Tom. They call him the n word and with he he says with an er not with an a he says in other words to inflict damage to insult him. Several people stole his flags, stomped them to the ground when an older black man. So Johnson puts them at about sixty five years old. Grabs, one of the flags from one of the protesters that they had grabbed from Johnson and hands it back to Johnson a protest punches that man in the face and runs off. Johnson after this experience now says that Portland police should use any means necessary including force. He says to stop the riots and end the ongoing violence. But, we're now whenever a story like this. comes. Up Bubbles. We're GONNA, detail it here because you're not gonna hear things like this on the mainstream in the mainstream media. And we're GonNa talk about things here on this show that are happening in this country because what's happened, what's really happening in this country? Is that a communist revolution is underway. It's not about racial justice. It's not about black lie. Black lives, black lives matter to everyone already except the people running black lives matter. Jerry Nadler congressman from New York. was walking around the United States Capitol building in Washington DC The other day when an independent journalist comes up to him and says, it congressman, Nadler what do you think of the violence that is taking place all over the country, and he specifically mentions the violence in Portland were a federal buildings are being set fire to and and police officers are being attacked and says, will you disavow this violence? And Congressman, Nadler very calmly just stares off into the distance and you kind of very smugly says, would violence. This is that's all a myth. It's a myth being perpetrated by people only within Washington amid, there's been sixty nights of. The other night, there were three federal officers who had a laser shown in their is they've suffered permanent eyesight damage because of that. And this Jerry Nadler is calling a myth. But you see this is their game. It's not your reality. Your reality does not the hell with you. Your reality does not matter. It's reality that are you going to believe us you're lying is. Folks. There is nothing if you're feeling if you're wondering whether you've gone crazy with all this talk about defunding the police and people tackling police officers who tried to arrest people who are committing crimes. And you're wondering fi going crazy or is the world around me gone? Crazy. No, it's not you. The world around you has gone crazy only. They hasn't gone crazy. This is all a plot in. It's been a plot years in the making nothing of what's happening is normal none of it is positive. It's all a scheme. It's all a scam and has a lot of different love I mean. French Prime Minister of John Castex. I apologize because I know pronouncing that. Incorrectly. But a francophile I am not. He called online and imagery something shocking. He said. And he warned rather tellingly. that. It's GonNa be something that we're going to have to take over. This is what he says. He says you can be called all names, all vices by hiding behind pseudonyms. He said during an interview with a French newspaper. He says, I'm in in for freedom of expression. But if you hide the conditions of the debate are distorted, I mean, we've outlined numerous instances of individuals being fired. Not just for speaking out against black lives, matter in those rare instances where that's happened, but by failing to properly support it enough, there's a dean that I wouldn't article on a few weeks ago, Dean of the. Nursing School at the university, of Massachusetts. who writes an email shortly after the protests start after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis by those police officers. and. She writes an email to the student body and she says, we believe that every life matters. She wasn't. She didn't even mean it. In a hostile, it wasn't even a hostile tone. You can read the email for yourself and see if your impression differs from mine. But she says, we believe black lives matter because we believe every life matters. She. Wasn't being how she was. She was sympathy. She was saying look I. Am with you I support the black lives matter movement. She was fired the next day. She literally got fired for typing the words. Every life matters. You see your intentions. No longer matter. It doesn't matter what you mean. It only matters whether you are slavishly devoted to the new guidelines or not. That's all that matters. Because of such intolerance, a lot of internet users use to choose to remain anonymous in order to express themselves freely. And now we're being told in so many words that's GonNa go away now too. So. Is this going to be the next battleground globalist they're going to fight on in the war against freedom of expression. They want you exposed people want you exposed so that half of the people are going to stop speaking out. And the half that do speak out while it's GonNa, be much easier for them to be identified and eventually fired because of speaking out automatically means you're fired from whatever job you have or demand or the platform or whatever. You're going to be much more careful about speaking out. Aren't you? In the UK. The police, their logged tens of thousands of quote. non-crime hate incidents annually, they're not crimes. But they include police, investigations of re tweets. So even if you don't type anything offensive, but you re tweet something that someone somewhere might consider offensive. You're. GonNa, have the police looking into that. That's going to involve police officers telling you apparently I need to check your thinking. I mean. It's literal thought policing. And it's going to make people reluctant to criticize a government or clause, and ultimately is going to have a chilling effect on expression. But then again, that may be precisely the point. Speaking of chilling effects. There was a group of doctors you may have heard about this this week in front of the US, Supreme Court building in. Washington DC. And they got together about half a dozen doctors from all over the country. Maybe a little more maybe eight or ten doctors I didn't count them Exactly. But. It was a a small group of doctors from all over the country and they were giving a kind of a small brief press conference. They were talking about the positive results. David shaved. When administering the drug hydroxy chloroquine to covert patients in their care? We've spoken about hydroxy chloroquine at length over the last several weeks on this show. And you know trump mentioned the drug couple of months ago as being potentially positive treatment for the drug and ever since then there's been a concerted campaign to knock everything about the drug down. Well. All these doctors took turns talking about their experience with the drug and other experiences in treating cove. and. I was I was the all basically touted the drug as a treatment. And I was particularly impressed by one Dr Name is Stella Dr Sarah Stella Emmanuel. she's a primary care physician from Houston Texas. She was originally from West Africa I believe, and then she came to this country. Now, she's practicing in Houston Texas. And she steps to the microphone. She says, listen. I'm here because I have personally treated. She says over three hundred, fifty patients with covert. Patients, she says that have diabetes patients. The had that have high blood pressure patients that have asthma. Older people. She says, she has patients in their eighties in their nineties. In other words, she lifts every possible condition that's labeled an underlying condition when it comes to. Kobe. That makes covert more dangerous for people with these conditions and she says, the results have all been the same. I put them on hydroxy chloroquine I. Put them on Zinc I, put them on Zithromax and they are all. Well, she says. You, can look into this yourself, check this out yourself. I commend you do. So she says for the past few months, I have taken care of over three, hundred, fifty patients. We've not lost one, she says. and. Then she says. And, I think this may be the real secret to the concerted effort against the struck. She mentioned at the very end of her presentation or at least that that section of her presentation, she says. I also use the drug as a prophylactic. I take it myself. I give it to other doctors who are dealing with Kobe nineteen patients. And we take it as a prophylactic to prevent the contraction of the virus. In the first place, it works. She says, think about that for a moment. If. You can take an over the counter drug. That's proven safe because it's been around for fifty or sixty years. And that would prevent you from getting this cove thing in the first place that all of this goes away. Doesn't it? It all just goes poof. Up. In smoke the lockdowns, the mask debate, everything it just the vaccine, it all goes away. The video of the doctors at this press conference gets fourteen million views and six our folks people with that line. People are suckers for the truth. You can't deny people know when they're hearing the truth. And again, look into this, yourself decide whether or not. You believe it yourself. But the video gets fourteen million views in six hours on facebook. Okay soon after a New York Times journalist takes to twitter and he's kind of like, Hey, folks, you know red alert, there's a video and he says there's a the most and or the second most engaged video on facebook today is and he goes on to the scribe the video. Will soon after that facebook takes the video down shortly after that twitter takes down and Youtube takes them. Now, you can't find it on any of those sites. Donald. Trump. While it was still up while we're still active re tweets, the press conference with the doctors, his account gets suspended them temporarily Donald Trump Junior. President Trump tweets, retweets, another tweet by that same doctor, Dr Stella Emmanuel. Not The press conference. Another tweet that she had tweeted out. He Re tweets it. The, entire tweet gets removed. So these people are telling you now in no uncertain terms, where are the president of the United? States now were in charge now, right? I'm the captain now like the Pirate Toll Tom Hanks in that movie Look at me, I'm the captain now, not George Soros back in two, thousand and eighteen. He was speaking at the World Economic Forum, Dabo's Switzerland. This is where all the elites and all the globalist get together, and they decide everything that's going to happen in the world. Over the coming year, you know which country is gonNA INVADE, which country who's going to become president? WHO's GonNa win the Super? Bowl. Who's WHO's going to win all the Oscars, that kind of thing. Well Soros is at this event and twenty eighteen, and he is giving a little talk or symposium, or it's a little Q. and A. Session or whatever. The exact details were, and he's sitting there on the day, and he's you know very very smug himself and he's asked about Donald Trump and he says donald trump. Donald trump is a temporary phenomenon. He says, and he's going to be gone by twenty twenty if not sooner. And he was saying, and again, you can go back and look this up and see if your impression too I for mine on this as well. But he wasn't saying it. Hopefully, this is going to happen. He was saying it rather confidently folks none of what's happening is organic. None of it is honest. The black lives. Matter Movement back to that. was what is raising money using act blue as a resource and a lot of people on the right are making a big deal about that. Blue is just technology company. That's not where the story is in my humble opinion They just they built APP. So if you have a foundation and you WANNA, start accepting donations. And you don't have the manpower or the know how to build an APP. Let's say that people can use their smartphones to donate to you on. you go to act blue. Act Blue is a technology company they they'll. They'll build that APP for you an exchange. They'll take a small cut. I. Think somewhere around four percent a little less than four percent of every donation made. So they build the APP for you in exchange, they take a small cut of every donation made using that APP. Well, if you don't to black lives, matter you have to go through Act Blue Okay Fair enough there at technology company. That's that's not what grabbed my interest. What did grab my interest is that it's been reported black lives matter. First of all is not a nonprofit organization. It's a corporation, but they function as a charity. Okay. Let's not get lost in those weeds either. They. Raise money through what's called a fiscal sponsor. And, that fiscal sponsor is a nonprofit organization called thousand currents. And thousand currents on their website when they described their relationship with black lives, matter you know what exactly is a fiscal sponsor? It says, and I'm quoting here in this capacity right there on the website and the thousand currents website. It says in this capacity, we provide administrative and back office support. Including Finance Accounting Grants Grant Management Excuse me insurance human resources, legal and compliance. Donations to black lives, matter are received as restricted, donate to support the activities of black lives, matter and other words. They're the people running it. Black lives matter does not run black lives matter they're run by all of these other organizations. It's reported shortly after that. That a woman by the name of Susan Rosenberg is serving as Vice Chair of the board of thousand currents. This is the fiscal sponsor black lives matter. By the way after that's revealed. The. Wicked pedia link two, thousand currents no longer seems to work. Okay. Susan Rosenberg. If you're not familiar was a member of the weather on the ground there a terrorist group in authority. Say they claim that she played? A role in several domestic terrorist attacks she was convicted. For some of those roles back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five, she was sentenced to fifty eight years in prison. She had only served sixteen of them when she was pardoned by President Bill Clinton in two thousand and one on his very last day in office, I might add. It's also worth noting by the way that it was. It was shortly after. Tucker. Carlson Fox. News. Is Tucker Carlson ran a little mini expose on Rosenberg, spent a few minutes talking about this relationship. She had with black lives matter on his show. Shortly. After that the role that she played with black lives, matter in black lives matter fundraising. Shortly, after that Carlson's head writer is forced to resign. He's fired as a result of racist posts. He made on an Internet forum that they just apparently discovered that day. And Carlson himself is forced to take not long after that. A quote unquote long planned vacation from his show for several days. Okay Anyway. Perhaps wary of the optics of having black lives matter contributions funneled to organization not black lives matter this thousand currents organization, which is run apparently by a convicted terrorist. Democrats, and black lives matter apparently decided to make a change. Any information that Rosenberg is on the board of thousand currents has been removed from their site. The whole board of directors page is now gone. You can see a copy of it. I think Len Beck has a copy of it up on his site from using the way back machine and send our guy of an archived copy of the page. So you can go check it out for yourself and see all the board members that are on there. Also after that. Shortly after that, all the money thousand currents was receiving related to black lives. Matter has been shifted to the tide center. All assets. Holdings fiscal responsibilities have all been shifted to the tide center. The tide center is one of the many organizations being funded by George Soros. Now, why is this group being run by revolutionaries? Canadian researcher. Named Sean Paul Melville. He does a lot of kind of investigative journalism into this into this kind of thing, and I was on his website. The other day I ran across an article. That he wrote last year. In which he talks about something called a social economy. and. He says there's been a common thread in the global communist movement since nineteen. ninety-seven and it's a system that people have heard very little about, and it's called a social economy and what the social economy is is. It's a government funded sector. That doesn't produce a whole lot in profits, but it consumes a lot billions of dollars in tax dollars. Through government tax incentives, you know you can donate to foundations and charities tax free. And so a lot of corporations use those donations to offset their prophets and lower their tax bill through tax incentives, tax credits, grants, charities, foundations, nonprofits, non, governmental, organizations NGOs big one. The government has been siphoning off billions of dollars, taxpayer money, and they used to fund the social economy. It's almost almost like a money laundering scheme. And what they do is they take this money and they use that the tides foundation, which is the the parent company of the tide. Center. The Parent Foundation if you will, of the tide center. They, call this the hybrid. Universe. In which these foundations are used to bend governments to there will, this is actually what they say. The Rub of all of this that's happening right now is that it's being funded by us. When you follow the breadcrumbs all the way to the end, you find that you and I are paying for all these activities. It's clear that the depth and the breadth of the protests and violence witnessed all over the country over the last couple of months are not spontaneous. They're not organic. They're not honest and said, they seem to be the culmination of years of planning and funding. Seek out alternative sources of information. You're not gonNA, hear the stuff on CNN. You're not going to hear it on MSN. You're not even going to here on Fox, you have to seek out independent sources of information because you're being lied to were all being lights, you know people on the right. They like to say that the Matrix, the movie, the Matrix was a documentary. It wasn't fiction. It's more fact and fiction. In his time. We all start. Waking Up. Well. That's our show. Said I. Hope you enjoyed it. You have any thoughts on any of the issues we discussed, drop me a line. You can reach me at comments, I tand show DOT com. That's comments at ITN. Show DOT com. Thanks for listening everyone until next time. 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Best of The Program | Guests: Tom Fitton & Christopher Rufo | 9/15/20
"Well I'd. I'd like to call this podcast today. The big trouble at home. And my good friend path to thank. Well I mean just trying to share happy news. That which? For that trying to. Happy. News Guilt Jar. Diaz charge need to go to work for the DNC. Or. Gainey. Media. Outlet. Thanks for that help. I'm in for a day ahead with my wife because what happened program? And you will probably hear that unfold. She was all nice about it but I'm telling you unafraid to go home in front of company. She was nice about it. thinking. We have a great show for you. We talk about what's happening at the CDC? Big Breaking News we are in a constitutional crisis right now the CDC decided that they were just going to disobey the executive order from the president and just run not one but thirteen weeks. Of Critical Race theory training at the CDC even though last week, the president said Executive Order Full Stop on all of that they said it was a health crisis and they knew better than. Has a constitutional crisis. Well, who do they work for? They're not elected who are they working for? we'll tell you about that also Tom Finan from judicial watch. He also it talks a little bit about that in a different sense with a different department this time, the Department of Justice all this and more on today's. The. Gate. To the program Hey Glenn thank you. We don't do is yet although who knows? Depends on WHO's in office maybe maybe you will. I want to talk to you about several things. First of all, act blue, are you following a act blue at all? We have been certainly their fundraising for black lives matter global foundation has been of interest to us of Act Lewis a conglomerate organizations they do the political fundraising. For campaigns and candidates as you pointed out there that Pacak Pacak. but separately, they raise money through this terrible arm. But then gets funneled to another third party, which is running black lives matter as a fiscal sponsor. So if you WANNA give money to black lives matter you can't. You give it to act blue. That has a Pinky promise with this tide center, which is a far left group that is acting as a fiscal sponsor for laws matter you can't give a donation class matter. Have it have it be tax deductible? It's an unusual set of circumstances that if a similarly situated well known conservative group was involved in that'd be called for investigators. Oh my gosh and there should be investigations on either side that would do something slimy as this. Act Blue I think the latest document that I saw shows it about seven percent of what goes into act blue actually goes to black lives matter. So where's the rest of it going? whereas. I you know. I've never seen anything like this I've been. Involved in nonprofit work for twenty plus years and the idea of fiscal sponsorship i. that's something the left has been doing though when you think about it remember acorn. Kind of. The same way they had all these allegedly independent groups that would run. By one central organization and those cases, the tide center which. Is the incubator for the far left and their organizations. Yeah. I did a lot of work on the tides foundation and called many many names. Nobody did anything about it, and now look at the Juggernaut that they that they are any comment on on. You know two hundred, million dollars plus being gathered from donations from homeless people or people that don't have a job. It's an awful lot of money. Isn't it? Dumb? It is a lot of money and again the area political fund raising the report, what they report, and unless someone's willing to get behind the numbers and get behind see the self reporting. this is going to go on not only with act blue, but everyone else and act lose suggests that the reason that they have all these unemployed people as because they're homemakers or they're wealthy and they don't need to report anything other than being. I'm self employed but. You know it highlights the fact that a lot of money sloshes around our political system and despite all these laws for transparency, which I really don't put much faith in any way both principle and impractical span practical issues a practically speaking. it's hard to track all the money's coming from, and so all is concerned about foreign funding. You know there are a lot of easy ways for for national support in our election system without getting caught in an improper way. All right. Let me change the subject. There is a story that I read. well-documented well, source and I am not seeing it anywhere. That the actual whistle blower during the impeachment was Vin man himself Lieutenant Colonel Kinman, was the guy who was on the phone call was disturbed as in his own words because it was going against policy that he agreed with and and had worked hard on and wanted to see pursued. And he'd he went and talked to schiff I understand this, right? He couldn't be the whistle blower because he was on the phone call. So they needed a another guy and he went and told someone about it and said, blow the whistle go to shift go these people and blow the whistle. Is that do I have that right? I think it's I think it's close enough it became pretty clear during the impeachment hearings themselves when he was questioned on it but then men that had talked to the alleged whistleblower that shifts colluded with an properly in my view, you know my concern is always be been that. Either just because someone else is has a national security clearance it doesn't mean you can tell them everything that anything you want just because I if it's classified, they have to have a need to know and if he was improperly sharing the contents of that classified cool eight with his brother or be with his buddy over at the CIA evidently that was the actual whistleblower. who had previously in the White House both under Obama and trump that would have been inappropriate and I've always I've always been I've been highlighting the need that Vincent should be criminally investigated. The whistle blower should be criminally investigated and Therese Schiff was involved in the sharing improperly plus fight information and his staff that criminal investigation should extend into the. House. So here's my frustration. A lot of this stuff tom we've had for months. Now we've known a lot of really damning stuff and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and if it is, it's it's going to happen during the election and then what happens after that Yeah the Justice Department It's been asleep at the switch on virtually every major corruption issue here and Durham was appointed for instance in April of last year and it's now. What seventeen eighteen months later? Use My fingers to count. Reside One Plea agreement that was kind of half baked. Just handed to him on a silver platter by the G.. Eight last year. Nothing else no report. Maybe someone's being targeted maybe struck gets I don't know what in many ways it's too late. If he does it now politic politically it's going to cause in mouse Maelstrom. which is unnecessary, and then be as you point out after the election depending on who wins that either Lizard is. So. What happens I mean we have a horribly corrupt system that I wouldn't want a Democrat or Republican to have to go through I don't care who it is, but it is we have seen now a deep state we're seeing it with the CDC. The CDC yesterday we found out is going forward with their their their critical race theory education even though the president has signed a directive that no one in the administration, no one in our government is supposed to be holding those things. They just thumbed their nose up I mean we have a constitutional crisis. because. There's there's no one that has answer. Answering for any of these things WHO's in charge? Much, right I. I've I've been highlighting crisis. It's called. The problem we have is we don't even have self-government anymore you know is it consent of the government when we elect Congress and they don't do anything and Just write checks and keep their eyes closed the rest of the time. Oh, the agencies don't think they're accountable says the use of the President or the American people and depending on WHO's the president the President doesn't act like he's account what we saw that with President Obama, and in terms of the CDC and these other agencies you, there's this casual sedition that goes on it's more dramatic. and It's happening virtually every day I'm sure the is frustrated by it but if I were him in terms of like the Obama gave all the corruption, I would just go declare transparency emergency tell the agencies release everything you have. Stop Stonewalling. For instance, we just got the the documents about the wiped phones by Muller's Team Twenty, seven, thirty, one however you counted. I don't know if you've been able to wipe your own phones but I've never. Out How that could be no I don't know how to do that. Yeah, DOJ's had the document for a year. Year. We'd be Fr- we actually I asked for the information back in December or the beginning at the end of two thousand eighteen sued a year ago. So let's say the clock began went then busby generous. They sat on it for a year. They are still hiding struck page documents they're still hiding text messages. We just sued for vouch email I don't know. I'm not necessarily necessarily because she didn't anything wrong. We wanted to know CDC communications with WHO in China early days of. The Virus to see what the lies were that we were being told, they're telling us, they can't get to the. Until at the only at a rate of five hundred pages a month, which means eight thousand pages will be reviewed and that means we won't be getting them until. Do the math at twenty, twenty two. What's happening what's happening to them for the rule of law? It's a contempt for the rule of law within the agencies and the president's appointees don't give a rat's tail about this transparency they don't, and it's resulting as you point out a real law crisis. So, what is going to have it? We can't continue as a nation. We have no trust in anything we see people getting away with it. We I see reports FBI is looking into the funding of black lives matter and and. And these protests. Guys is not that hard. It's not that hard and it feels like we're looking and looking and looking, and then nothing happens. When is I mean? How do we survive Tom? If nothing is done. Well. It's a challenge in and I say that traditional watches one way for work we Kinda keep the government it seems like it's completely out of control, but we bring it back down to Earth using the rule of law and the accountability of free information, the freedom of Information Act. So there's a an ability to petition the government under our Constitution that we have to exercise more forcefully and more regularly the left is quite adept. At. Getting information out to destroy their political opponents from the government. Here, we want to figure out about the corruption government and judicial watch is often alone pushing for it. Congress has got over Florman, restore itself and certainly the agencies has got to be killed and cut back 'cause the abuses will increase in metastasized the bigger and bigger government gets in my view it's. Taking fifty thousand you. Big Government, big secrecy, big corruption, big oppression they all go hand in hand. And you gotTA, pull it all back. You GotTa curtail the government. Ensure transparency reform and restore the congress and the president and Cabinet Agency heads who take this seriously in my view. Are, like a a waste of time the cabinet agency heads doing their jobs that's that's what they should be do has the heads of the agencies should be Geez. I don't know if I try. I don't know if I trust. I'd like as many is checking on these guys as possible. But the I G are or creature of the deep state, and our experience used both suppress information and target whistle blowers. That's what they are remember they weren't put in there by the good guys are in there by the radical left Gusau needs to control the presidency to keep the bureaucracy free to do what they wanted to do. This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program and we really want to thank you for listening. All right. So new face at least on the national scale. that. I'm aware of a guy who has been doing amazing work in the last few months and needs to be known by every freedom. Loving person. His name is Christopher Rufo he is a filmmaker, a writer, a policy researcher He has directed four films for P. B. S. including his latest America lost that store told the story of the three forgotten American cities. He is also the director of the Discovery Institute's Center on Wealth Poverty and morality and contributing editor at the city. Journal where he covers Poverty Homelessness, addiction crime and other afflictions really smart guy and relentless and people are starting to go to him now and say I've got documents and he is posting them online and what he posted yesterday should chill all of us to the bones Christopher. Welcome to the program. How are you? Going to be with you. So tell me what you dumped yesterday. Yeah. Yesterday was a big day because as as many of your listeners know the president pass this executive order of. Critical race theory trainings from all federal agencies But unfortunately the CDC operating in direct violation of this order. Announce to their employees that they were moving forward where they vary kind of inflammatory critical race theory training that spanned thirteen weeks I was able to obtain documents from inside the CDC will as a powerpoint that gives more content of the presentation. The content was truly horrific talking about trying to destroy the system of meritocracy trying to destroy the idea of American exceptionalism and trying to weaponize the CDC to fight white supremacy But even more horrifically is that this was a direct by and actually glen this is breaking news. I heard actually two minutes ago the Director of Oh Embi rust spot just announced on twitter tweeted me with a message saying that these things have been canceled suspended indefinitely and you know I. I imagine the White House was pretty upset but this is actually a victory. The CDC has now been. kind of beaten back from its plan of continuing critical race theory training. So the the the the bad thing here is, is that the response from the CDC was hey, look we have to do this because this is this is a health crisis. You know racism in America is a health crisis and it's getting people killed on the streets and so they just decided on their own I will believe that something is actually being done when people start to clean house I, mean this was I mean, did you get your was your source? Can you even say inside the system? Yes, my source was inside the CDC So had direct access to the internal emails that were circulating about this training. So did you talk the agree I? Think this is a this is a good first step to to cancel this training but but there's really two problems. One is that there has to be some more severe consequences I know that if you were in a private company and you directly violated the CEO's order on something in a big way like this, you would be out the door within a couple of hours I I think the same standards should be held here. But also I'm just one person with one set of sources. How many other agencies across the federal government are violating the president's order I've had some unconfirmed reports that I'm working on now that it's happening in multiple agencies, including customs and Border Patrol. My God and I'm I'm working on this you know today and tomorrow to confirm. But my sense is that it's the tip of the iceberg that there are probably hundreds of these training continuing to happen in direct opposition to a presidential order, which raises the question. What's the point of having a president if he doesn't have control over his own administration? This is the deep state. This is what is meant by the deep state on elected officials that think they know better than the duly elected officials that they are supposed to work for they believe presidents come and go congressmen, senators they come and go. We don't have to do what they say just keep it quiet just keep moving forward and they don't follow the directive of the duly elected officials. We do live in a fascistic state if that is true. Everything they say they're fighting. Well, we gotTa Fight Fascism we gotta fight with these police officers everything that you're saying you're fighting you're doing. If. You're part of the administration or the government and you are defying the orders of the president and career helping out on this Chris said a while ago. That this is akin to win Barack Obama said. The just war theory has to be taken out of the teachings and we have to shut down the classes of the just war theory. In at West Point, I was wildly against that. Just war theory is what has stopped us from becoming the Nazis I think it should be reinstated but if the Pentagon would have said sorry Mr President of teach it anyway. I would have been on the side of the president you can't. You can't do that. Otherwise you don't have a presidency you don't have a system of government. You have unelected people doing what they. And unfortunately I think that that's exactly what we have I think that there is a kind of permanent administrative state. That operates on its own ideology that really never changes depending on WHO's an office, and unfortunately for those of us on the right their ideology is kind of technocratic in nature is progressive in nature is kind of scientific in nature it very much dovetails nicely with progressive administration. So I think what happens is that we may score these tactical victories like shutting down or training sessions starting down many training sessions. but the problem of the permanent bureaucracy remain How do we make politics meaningful if the largest organ of our politics, the federal government, which has you know more than a million employees if if if if the president who's a duly elected under a constitutional system? CanNot Control bureaucracy and in the past they had a spoil system which had its problems. But one advantage of that is that the bureaucracy was political The bureaucracy is no longer political operates independently. Of our political forces and I think that is a a true constitutional problem that will have to grapple with for years to come. Well, this is something that the Obama Administration and what was it something two point, Zero Society two point Oh with Clinton in Soros that they had developed. This is what they developed a system that operates on its own no matter who that's why the president was targeted with. Ukraine. That's why they made that such a big deal. That's a that's a hill to die on, and that's why I keep saying if the president doesn't do something about that, if charges aren't brought up and real people fired because of what happened. Nothing's going to change. If he just says, you're stopping these and he doesn't fire the head of the CDC if he doesn't fire all of the people that were involved in this. This cancer in it's going to continue to spread. Yeah. That's exactly right. I think that it's important that there'd be some sort of repercussions because if the only consequences that the training gets canceled, nobody's doing any other agency around the government will say, well, you know we can go forward with it. What's the worst that can happen? We'll get our training cancels but I think the attitude would be quite different if all of a sudden. You have a kind of civil service members losing their jobs immediately raise the stakes. You create a disincentive to continue with this because an executive order is only as good as as much as you can enforce it. So I'm hoping that it's I that that was just announced a bio and be Director Vodka is only a first step. And I'll be advocating for some more severe consequences So we. If you're exactly right. If they don't it's deep trouble if they if they do, you will empower the whistle blowers as well. Because whistle blowers who are are right now sitting there watching answering I've got something that everybody should know. But if I blow the whistle and the top people don't get fired then I'm screwed I mean they'll just they'll just they'll just screw with me they'll they'll go on a hunt to find out who it was it will empower whistle blowers if they see justice being done. and I I commend you. Chris yeah. I think what you're doing is just tremendous. Just tremendous. Thank you. Thank you so much you Bet Christopher Rufo you can find him and follow him on twitter at. Real. Chris Rufo R. U F O on on twitter. Glenn Beck, program. You still have an opportunity to be my friend died that I am being your friend. You are not. This is telling you right now this is not. Well on here. It's not going to go well for me at home. I. Leaving Charity. Including Tanya up to this point it's okay. So citing Tanya is on the phone. Tanya. We were just talking about Netflix. Honey. Yes, I'm here pinch. Okay. Are you busy? We should let you go. She's got plenty of time okay. Hey, we were just talking about netflixing and I think we should cancel our Netflix. We were talking about that flicks. was his exciting new purchase at another yet another option but it's a really important piece I. Think you'll agree. I forgot to tell you yesterday just I did actually did I did And and You know it's something that I think is a really important piece of history. And and and we and we wanted an auction yesterday and when he did because there was somebody else who was really trying hard to get it. So you know we got it at a basement bargain price. Wasn't there he didn't know. And what price do you put on a one of kind well. There is a price on. That you can put on it and you get that price, which is great because now you have the item. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm sure Tanya sounds exciting right? There no doubt. Exciting. About this? Tell her what she's won. Now, this is a really important piece of history. Because it it, it tells the story of the press and the way. The way the press hit. Out You are the proud you are the proud owner. Of FDR. Of FDR's wheelchair. Four. Congratulations. Let me just ask you a question question. Yeah. Does that. World Right. Along with What I'm just you know just ask go no. No, there is no saying. Pretty sure. There was nothing else. Know, there's nope there was nothing. Best of my recollection nothing the best of your recollection. Nothing else is just so there was nothing else in the auction that culture I know and it doesn't have to come home I mean somebody did asked me yesterday after I got it. They said, where are you going to put that? And I said, I don't know and they and then somebody else said you can put it right next to the. German Nazi interrogation. Chair. Fighting again, I mean it was the same time you know two chairs, two nations and you know so. All right sweetheart, I love you. And that'd be to or should we come with a maybe it doesn't anxious cookies. Oh. Wow. Cookies the whole thing. Better right. Connection. What do you mean? Maybe Lean maybe you owe it to me I love you. By who that wasn't as bad as I thought. Yeah. Unless it's a ruse because she knew she was on the air and she also don't know what you paid for it. So that helps a little bit as well. I'm sure she might be thinking that's a really inexpensive chair who? She would be wrong then see. US probably not a chair. You're going to do wheelchair races with. Generally don't do wheelchair races anyway. No you do. Yeah. Really all the time. Now this one will not be used for that. Remind me when you're going over to the museum. Honestly interesting because he he did have the help of the press and you know not the help of the press they complicit they re. He could not walk at. All right. He could not walk. You'll see him with the with the you know the leg braces and the and the crutches. But he had to have his son on one side and somebody else on the other side actually lifted he would just swing his leg so he could walk but he had no power in his legs at all. They would build a long time period was that Thurber. Yeah, from the. The whole time the whole time and he will they would build ramps in front of buildings where his car could pull up a big federal building with all the stairs they would build a giant ramp. So his car would drive up to the very top step and he didn't have to worry about steps I mean and no one in the press ever took a picture of. That is incredible. That's incredible. You WanNa talk about fascism. That's fascist how that's fascism when nobody in America really knew that the reason why the the the desk, the President's desk, the resolute desk that was built by Queen Elizabeth as a gift to to our nation and given FDR would sit behind that desk. It wasn't in the Oval Office I was in the map room and he would sit behind it, but people would come in for interviews. That's the reason why the little door is on the front who remember that I remember John F. Junior. John F.. Kennedy Junior has a picture of him peeking out underneath his dad's desk that door was put there by FDR to hide the wheelchair from the press while so there would be no pictures taken with him in a wheelchair. While, man incredible it is. It is hard to imagine in this day and age of the press and how rabid they are specially with with trump but I mean any president wouldn't get away with that today I know president know president and it was a good thing. It was a good thing here. The Germans are executing people that are handicapped saying they're zero worth and being conquered by the guy. WHO's in a whiz wheelchair in can't walk? Yeah. This is a really really good thing.
139: Release Day [Rebroadcast] & Special Announcement
"Is more than the policemen on the corner more than the courthouse where our laws enforced more than the jail where law breakers are punny. In your whole community, there are customs and moral code which guide your actions, what social controls affect you. I'm gonna call right now. I'm looking at the prison right now. I'm looking at San Quinton. This is life of the law. I'm Nancy Mullane. We have some really exciting news for you here at life of the law were looking to the future. And part of that future is a change. The changes I am stepping down as executive director of life of the law and Tony Gannon who you know as the senior producer is taking on the helm of life of the law and leading this project into the future. We're going to celebrate this change by going back into the archives and sharing episode. That was one of my favorite with you. The episode is called release day and it's the day that a man I met inside San Quentin actually was released and I'm there the morning. He's standing on the curb and we go together into the first hours of freedom. This is released day and I wanna thank everyone who has supported life of the law over the past six years, I've been D. And I wanna thank you all, forgiving, Tony, Gannon, all of you. Support as you go forward into the future together. Thank you. In nineteen Ninety-four voters in my state of California passed the three strikes law after that any person who had committed more than two felonies could get sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison over the years at packed, the state's prison system. But in November of two thousand twelve voters changed the law. Now, some of the prisoners sentenced under three strikes could petition to get out for time served. This isn't the story of all that this is the story of one inmate I met while reporting on all these changes to the three strikes law. And it's the story of one very important day for him. Well, Nancy, this is Curtis is calling on. Let you know that the I just got out about, I guess, ten minutes ago and that's San Rafael transit. I was hoping I could get in touch with you trying to get to the airport. So take your talk to you later. So go, give me your name. I'd met Curtis pen months earlier inside San Quentin, and we'd stayed in touch. He had no idea when or if he was getting out under the new law. In nineteen ninety six. He was sentenced to twenty nine years to life for commercial burglary seventeen years later on April fourth, two thousand thirteen. He was free. Time. Share the moment with you depend. I have to get the first of a man who's free. It's strange because after all these years I thought that I would be somewhat. Nervous, but I'm not nervous. I thought that would be some anxiety that how they assistant calm about me. All the inmates being released from San Quentin. We're putting a big van that morning and dropped off the local bus station. When I drive up Curtis, the standing on the curb, he's dressed in lycra sweats, he's got a big smile on his face, but he also looks stunned to be out in the real world this morning at five o'clock in morning. I was in my sale and and the officer walked by and just said, pin go, Yep, she goes Parolin quickly, kept walking and my Sally was like the sheet. Did I just hear what she just said? I said, I think so. All Curtis has with him as a crate. One of those plastic crates like milk carriers use, it holds everything. He owns in the world, got one bucks. I have my book bag. Bible in the air. I also have a lot of socks hair, grease, hairbrush, toothpaste, toothbrush, and eat about to face. I left my two-year a note about airports, and then I got some some school works. Hebrew brought back with me because I was studying Hebrew. That's it. That's your whole life. I don't own anything else. Yeah, it's kind of sad. It's simple. Yeah. I mean, you don't have a lot to carry. No, I do not. I do not have lots of care. You're you're right. I mean, you don't have to move a lot of stuff. You're free. I'm free. I could go anywhere in the world right now. Yeah, anywhere. But all Curtis has for an ideas, a flimsy, handwritten card with his name on it. This card, it's ticket charge card kept in your possession. The California prison system has an fell in New York prohibited from certain activities. The back. He's got that and a little cash. After all these years, they give you two hundred dollars to fifties. First time I touched the twenty money. Two years. That's all I have. If it was the fall out of my pocket, I had a hold on my pocket draw. It would change the whole dynamics of the situation without this money in my pocket. I made that feel much different than than that individual. I was homeless. The first thing Curtis forced to do when we get on the road is check in with his dad one. I don't. Yeah. The Curtis doesn't know how to use a cell phone. No, you don't have to listen. It's come through the earphones talk. Can you hear. Cellphones, how're you doing. No, actually a friend of mine pick me up. I just on that too. Failed transit. I'm in the car right now that. What she's taking me to get a duffel bag. This gonna take out the breakfast. I'm looking at the prison right now. I'm looking at San Quentin. We drive from Marin county where San Quentin is over the Golden Gate Bridge into San Francisco. There's so much to talk about so much to see what do you see standing here looking out. Obviously the vehicles I see the clouds, the trees and and. I just see fresh air. I see not stifled rust in bars and Bob wire. I see diversity, see people of different ages and different ethnicities and sizes and gender. You know, in prison, you see primarily males and primarily blackmails and I welcomed the diversity. I welcome the. Change. I see paternity. I see lots of opportunity every building. I see. And in stabbing, you know what I mean? I sit in myself opportunity for job somebody you can work there when I see trucks come by place, who knows? I may be working there sometime you know what I mean? Unloaded trucks or driving trucks or cabs, you know, just Sea World of opportunity. Sure. We pull up to a beach near the marina district. It just seems like the right thing to do. Give me the simple stuff. You know, we can just take. Take. Pleasure. Mongan you shoes. Look at that. Just beautiful. Like the fact that got out the first place I come to. It's the beach. Swimming in the beach all the time. Seaming. All that simple. I was thinking to just be alone for a minute. You haven't had any time? Yeah, it was. I was alone for about two hours. I care. What did you like to be alone? Right now, I don't care what you going to do. I'm just going to go sit over there. Just let you to yourself. You wanna do that just take five minutes or so I'll just sit over there. You just okay. Okay. Around a bit or what is going to be over there? All right. Watching Curtis walk alone on the Bay. I decide to forget about all the of the things I have to do. I've been following Curtis his case for five months today. He's free free, not even on parole, and I just wanna be here for him. These few hours. Thank you. Good. So what do you want do now? What are some breakfast? Yeah, that'd be great. I get a duffel bag. Yeah. All right. I hope that preventive being all. Take up your whole morning, very blessed. I was thinking we could go get you. Pair of jacket or something. If you. Breakfast. Yeah, where we go because I only work with so much money. I don't want to really spend too well. I can actually. Front you enough front, I could pay per pair of pants and a shirt really get on the bus. Looking? Yeah. What do you wanna do? It's up to you hungry. I'm let you decide. Really are you hungry? I'm not hungry. We can just hoping the coffee men go over their house that, okay, get a, get yourself a copy out. We just this is just a coffee shop. It's not a okay. I think you should probably eat a big meal right now. There's a lot happening fixed data. Toast good piece of good toast. I mean, really, you don't like. Water. Okay. You can have data. We go to cafe in San Francisco called the mill Curtis's very self conscious. He keeps worrying that people are looking at them after all guards have been looking at him for seventeen years, but no one here is looking at Curtis, they're all staring at their cell phones and computers. We still have a half hour to go before. Yes, to be at the airport. We go to upscale thrift shop. Curtis has to wear right now are gray sweats, hurry. Now. We literally a half an hour to get you close this on wall. This is on us. This is okay. You gonna pay you back. This is on me is just one of those things that gives me so much pleasure. They're no, we go, go ahead, just go and cross the street, go inside and find the men's departments. Okay, I'll be right there. I talked to put this. When Curtis comes out of the dressing room, he's changed. He shed the baggy sweats for charcoal grey wolf pants, and he's picked out a green sweater and businesslike leather jacket. He looks sharp. We drive to the airport, but when we get to the ticket counter, the attendant says his flight is booked for the next day. Curtis's dad made a mistake. I look at Curtis and he looks terrified. This is a big glitch when you're in prison for that long, when something goes wrong, anything goes wrong, you're in trouble. Curtis hands is discharged card to the airline employees. It's not the kind of ID card. They see every day. She stands in front of her computer typing for what seems like forever. Then she prints out a ticket and hands it to Curtis. He's on the flighty wanted. I don't know what else to say. Feel blessed. It is strange because it's like this is mitt to be. The set of the system is set up for you to be afraid to be fearful of the unknown. You know, coming out really assistant doesn't want people to help you. In which it get you two hundred dollars go back to the community in which you. Custom to and. Back to the same behavior. I called courtesy other day, eight months after the day he was released. I wanna hear everything that is happening in your life. Okay. I have found employment. I work now in Berkeley at a machine operator stealing options, transitional housing. They asked me to be a house manager, so place where I manage. Man, different sorters and whatnot. Able to in school districts, I was able to complete that was able to visit my children of thanksgiving. My children and my father. That's pretty much it for the most part. Hundreds of inmates like Curtis released from prison in California every day with two hundred dollars and flimsy, ID cards. Those first few hours after they're released are crucial. Who's able to offer them kindness, a Cup of coffee change of clothes. I'm lucky I could do it for just one guy, and I think a lot about that airline employees who got Curtis on the flight he needed. And what she said is he headed for the plane. Have a nice life. The law. I'm Nancy Mullane. This episode was edited by Julia Martin and produced by Caitlyn pressed a Lisa raw, Shannon, Heffernan, Jillian Weinberger, Katie Barnett, and Nancy Mullane music by Kyle Kaplan. Matthew Dr Todd MacDonald. This episode was produced with funding from the open society foundation special, thanks to Tom hill being. Hey listeners, we are still in high eighties as we put together our next episodes, we will be coming back to you with our newsletter and occasional audio update. In the meantime, if you have a story idea, comment Email us at connect at life of the law dot org, and you can sign up for newsletter at our website WWW dot life of the law dot ORG. You can also donate on our website. Just click support in the upper right hand corner to make a one time monthly or quarterly donation. Any amount helps nonprofit project of the tide center. Everything you go toward production of our stories. I am Tony Gannon. Thank you for listening.
Sept 2nd: HR 3 W/ Mark Coughlin and Bob Beauprez
"This is morning Kale Northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten Kfi am. A Only the sound. Well, fans of hordes tooth reservoir. We're trying to take it easy but sadly, and you know I've talked about this throughout the summer that's long been a place where I go to recharge and relax and get away from it all and unfortunately we said goodbye to our peer group just this past Sunday as because of dropping water levels. Well, let's just say it's going to be a truncated summer season at Horse to eight or nine now thirteen ten KFI. Thirteen ten KFI K. A. DOT COM northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail live, and local. The auto collisions. Specialists Studios joined this morning by Mark, coughlan Horse Tooth Reservoir district manager. Hey Mark. Hey, good morning you. So I appreciate your taking the time because well, let's just say that we all noticed stuff at horse truth the water dropping rather precipitously. So why is that happening? There's two reasons really one is a maintenance project that's going on Soldier Canyon Dam they have to get to a certain water level by mid October. They put divers down and work on the outlet structure. That's where the city of Fort Collins take some water out, and they're also doing a project upstream just right there by flat reservoir called Cottonwood Siphon project they're Kinda. Beefing up that that site and that goes underneath the road there by flood on reservoirs they can start. Doing Construction Chimney Hall Reservoir, which is just one rich west of Carter Lake. So there's only two. Yeah, they're doing this pretty smart in northern water is doing this pretty smart visit doing two projects in the same year as opposed to kind of hit us with one project one year one project the next doing the same year, which is really helpful. So we only see low water levels only one year I think even though the water levels are dropping, we'll still have a boat ramp in course teeth reservoir throughout November traditionally our last day of voting up in anywhere in Limit County Park. So it's Carter Lake or or horse tooth reservoir is. Thirty that's the last day we do quoc nuisance species inspections. Were held at state standards of inspecting every boat that goes into our reservoirs. So a lot of people wondering about the boat ramps will be usable through. Labor Day. Of course, we won't lose any RAMS I. Don't think by by this weekend, we'll still have all four ramps and the water the pylons see rams losing getting getting lost probably next week sometime, the tank and we'll be the first ramp that goes out which is the furthest North Boat. Ramp. Then after that we'll see one of the South Bay Rams, go out the next that play in what they were still talking two to three weeks down the road before you lose those completely like I said, but we'll have a ramp in the water. We will have a rap in water all year this year through November now you and I throughout the summer. season. Had the opportunity to chat a little bit about the safety this as a result of covid nineteen. So many water attractions were closed to include a wider world. So a lot more boat traffic up on the Rez this year but with the water dropping if I'm not mistaken according to miles, bloom hearts in the Fort Collins, Colorado and the water level dropped from ninety seven percent. That's fifty four, thirty Ninety, seven percents almost fifty four, thirty fool at the beginning of the season to about sixty percent last week certainly with the number of boats and paddle borders, Kayakers, and boaters, and just people recreating on the reservoir safety of ultimate concern. Certainly is we we were down a little bit Lord that wasn't quite that. Hit. What the what northern water in the beer recognition was able to do is keep his high as long. As high as long as possible. So I you saw that sharp drop is it we ask them. Hey, please keep as high as long as possible to enjoy the recreation season. which is really through about mid July for their really started pointy really measurable amount of water out there with the typically do every year you we usually pretty high they fill up all winter. We had our peak elevation somewhere in May then somewhere when farmers start calling for water and people start irrigating their lawns. Really. Hard about that first or second weekend July. That's when we see those traditional drawdowns heavy draw down. So it was about the same time frame. certainly they have to You know draw by more than normally would, but it's not it's not over the sixty six year history, the reservoir this is not extreme We know we've been at this level before many times since nineteen fifty, four just extreme. This of it is because was construction prices they have to get down to certain allocation for water levels. Do they put divers safely? So that's why we're seeing the draw down. We're seeing right now. What's the expectation and maybe this would be a question better pose to jeff to US Tayla north water. But what is the expectation? Well, horse tooth be filled to the brim as we approach next boating season. Yet. All the front range reservoirs were kind of lack system at least in Colorado, the water project system where. Really grabby shout amount in Grand Lake where we get our water from the CPT project those reservoirs ninety percent capacity. We're GONNA need to draw those reservoirs down in the wintertime to make room for the runoff next spring so they'll fill us up. You know. We get projection GONNA take over the grain of salt but we should be full next year giving a giving a moderate average year, and we should be four close to next brain is where we're being told that, and that seems to hold true from what I've seen them my twenty six years here. Well. That's good to hear what's the deal with that Rotary Park Spike Strip. You know we talked about the increase in visitation normally in horse tooth area horse reservoir horses now park with about one point. Busier where the third biggest reservoir in the state of Colorado for boating chaffee was number two and Pueblos number one. Even with those numbers this year we're up to about forty percent. You know there's been a tremendous amount of growth along the front range in Larimer. County is certainly well county where we see a lot about half arbitation from. So those large numbers increase visitation. You know there's been some crime that comes with it. We get a lot of graffiti we get a lot of vandalism Vehicle break in in a bunch of other crimes speeding. Roads along with reservoir Colorado state patrol, designate those as a hot zone, which means they have a high occurrence of serious and deadly crashes. So it's really a combination of things that kind of. Let us down this road to how do we better manage How do we better manage our parks for safety and some of the problems that occur? In the east side parking. Lots at. Horseshoe. Reservoir. Day Use only. So my staff spends maybe one to three hours every night getting people out of those day use areas, and so this is just one tool that we use an kind of bigger picture how we didn't enforcement on the east side of there. It's really a small piece once when. Tool, they were gonNA use you know spike spike strips are not uncommon and recreational use I grew up in southern California Gosh back in the seventies and eighties, I? Remember you know all the beaches along you know Huntington Beach Orange County they all have those those spike strips to help help facilitate one way traffic. So let's people get out safely but yet. Coming in when when that park areas closed. Eight sixteen thirteen Kfi a thirteen, ten, K. F. A. DOT COM mark Kopplin is larimer counties horse to Reservoir district manager tragedy at Horse Tooth reservoirs we continue to mourn the untimely death of Larimer County Park Ranger Brendan Unit who drowned August twenty. Nine patrol and trying to help others in distress our condolences go out to his family, his friends and certainly to his colleagues mark you you work. So closely with the Rangers such a tight knit group who do such great work each and every day a towards tooth why can you tell us about the circumstances that lent led to Brenton units data? As he mentioned he was responding to emergency the two people in the water. Of kind of north end the reservoir. He was his on land and he was his responded to that emergency and and unfortunately during that was a large a win event rain event large ways when like I said he lost his life in the drowned trying to help help those people out you know Brennan spent four years in the Marine Corps he served overseas you gotTa Marine Corps pursued a degree from Colorado State University which he just finished up this last spring. And then actually just last week he was supposed to start the Police Academy Aims Community College. So he's he's a hero definitely, he's a, he's a local kid as well from the the Windsor area. So a lot to be proud of you know he worked really hard. You know he dedicated his life to service in Aged. Amazing individual. Certainly. A servant's heart and a wonderful young man Mark Kopplin district manager Horse Tooth Reservoir. Thank you so much for your time and again our condolences. Great. Thanks for having me on gale. It's seventeen now thirteen ten K, a thirteen, ten, KFI K. dot com. Row Coding. Now. Weekdays, at for northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten KFI K. For more cab Kaye aid programs, podcast sports, Scheduling News Goto Thirteen, ten, Kfi am dot com now back to mornings with Kale. You Just wanted to pass this along in case Missed it because if you live in Fort Collins, this is something that you want to know where confirmed piece by JC Marmaduke out of the Fort Collins Colorado and Fort Collins under stage to fire restrictions banning wood-burning campfires, outdoor wood, burning, fire pits, and charcoal grills until further notice now you had city manager Darren atteberry put the restrictions in place after consulting with a tutor fire authority fire chief, Tom Dement, and reviewing weather conditions, precipitation fire restrictions, and other communities air-quality suppression resources. And other factors. Now, the ban applies to all open burning solid fuels within Fort Collins city limits exemptions include indoor fireplaces, wood burning stoves, liquid or gas fueled fires in fire pits, grills, and camp stoves. Now, the band which follows milder restrictions implement implemented in unincorporated layer county earlier, this summer comes understandably as wildfires continue to burn throughout the State Cameron peak fire case in point in the Roosevelt National Forest has grown to over twenty three thousand acres and at this point in time. Is Only, five percent contained conditions. Remind me said Putin Fire Authority fire chief Tom Dement of the two thousand, twelve season the incredibly hot and dry days have led to a series of red flag warnings we need to work together to protect our community prevent sparks that could indeed lead to wildfires. State Health Department also recommends restrictions on outdoor burning during the covid nineteen pandemic because of the health impacts of wildfire smoked when they can actually compound symptoms of covid nineteen and if you violate the fire restrictions, well, they're gonNa Hitch aware at hurts. In. The wallet violating the fire restrictions is considered a criminal misdemeanor and is punishable by up to three thousand dollars in fines up to one hundred and eighty days imprisonment or both this according to the Fort Collins Municipal Pulse Code as Fort Collins implemented indefinite ban on fire pits and charcoal grills eight twenty, nine now thirteen ten. KFI Thirteen Ten K.. F.. A. Dot COM northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail live in local via the. Auto Collision Specialists Studios Looking for a dark conversation in this morning with Bob Oh pray Babo pray of course, a former US congressman representing Colorado's seventh Congressional district and a bison rancher in northern Colorado he penned a great piece on prop one fourteen. That's that plan to introduce Grey Wolves in Western. Colorado as he says via ballot box biology, Oh pray joins us at eight, thirty, five, eight, thirty now thirteen ten. K. F. K.. Party in northern Colorado's force thirteen ten KFI K., the Block Party Wednesdays from four to ten. PM. Tune into the show at noon and no co now at four back to mornings with Kale. And Northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten. K. K.. You. Rights Bob pray. Course. A former US congressman representing Colorado's seventh Congressional district and vice and ranch in rancher in northern Colorado. But he writes incomplete Colorado page to there are many reasons to oppose proposition one fourteen a radical plan to introduce grey wolves and western Colorado via ballot box biology. But he goes on to make what I think is a very cogent point. Not The least of these reasons is the fact that gray wolves are already here eight forty now thirteen ten Kfi a thirteen, ten KFI A. dot com northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail. The Auto Collision Specialists Studios. Mr Pray. Welcome back to the show it's been far too long. Great Charger with you again, Gail I've always enjoyed our interviews over the years Oh as do I. Alright. So let's talk about the ballot box biology. I love that turn of phrase. Well. And it's I. Think Inappropriate Trays Year let let me remind your listeners. that. We've got a wildlife commission and they're very expert one. The governor appoints them there. I, think there's a bipartisan requirements and they can't be all Democrat or Republican depending on the time. But these guys. That the people that have a farm this commission over the years. have. Earned a reputation and I'll underline earned. because it has them, they do a very diligent job of trying to figure out what's the best way to protect our precious wildlife in Colorado and our environment and the people who live here and interact in that environment as well. I say, they are widely recognized as the experts four different times gail. Over the last about thirty five years I think. Four different times this commission with different makeup, of course, over that span of time. This commission has looked at the issue of Wolf Reintroduction in Colorado and each time even after spending over a million dollars in researching the subject. Of, all four times have come back with the same conclusion and that conclusion was no. They oppose the reintroduction of Wolves Nice not good enough for some these environmental activists. who think they know better? So they bring forward a ballot initiative. That's why I, call it ballot-box Allergy. They're smarter than the scientist smarter than our experts, of course, and they and they give us this hocus pocus about how it's going to somehow. Restore our environment, complete our environment make all things well, and you know it's always a nirvana kind of experience. Yes, the experts tell us no now the as you pointed out. the wolves don't really need an introduction they didn't. They just kind of ignored that that that politeness if you will they came here anyway, they came here anyway we've you know. We're at we're Jackson County. So we're just less debut a bit up there right on the continental divide with our Bison ranch. And one of the first things we learned when we when we moved there about twelve years ago. Is that wolves are already there I mean you you hear them. We've seen them on our ranch, my son Eh one, maybe fifty yards away from him. He's out repaired fast one day. And they are apex predators absolutely there. Is You get there's vicious as you get. I mean, Think About Mountain Lions bears which we already have and we know we have a problem with Evan and even in residential Colorado, we had problems with coyotes and. you. You haven't seen anything yet until you see, the the the viciousness of these Canadian Grey Wolves which they. WanNa introduce here. So I if it really is confounding to those of us that would have to deal with this and and that brings up. Another bit of. I'll be polite and say the irony of all this this was an initiative really driven by by California Money George. To. Hell. Hell soccer right. He's still George Soros Funds, organization called the Tide Center in in San Francisco. That's where they are headquartered and they dumped over three hundred thousand dollars into this thing and initially just to to get a petition signed, get it on the ballot, and of course, went where the low hanging fruit you go in the Metro Denver area where there's a lot of people. A lot of people who think you know you say environment they say, where do I sign right? So he signed these petitions. But as you ring the ballot initiative. The wolves are going to be introduced from the Sixteenth Street Mall in downtown Denver, of course. That would be quite a site. Yeah. I mean about as far away from downtown Denver and. Boulder my my my my nearby boulder where I grew up. They're going to be the the petit the initiative actually says. As the Department of Wildlife has to introduce them in western Colorado. They're already there if you've been reading the paper. Not. Only do as locals up. They're not there. They've been there for a long time now the Department of Wildlife. has confirmed that there's a pack it's It's. It's stakeout their territory in moffat county The recently ones have been cited ingrained county. There's reports even in Larimer County, of of wolves, which is no surprise to those of us again, we've been living in with. Them for a long time and and these packs they tend to procreate right? Well. There's a couple of things that wolves you're really good. They're really good killing and eating, and they're also really good at at procreating. They've they multiply maybe not quite like rabbits pretty close. Let me give you a for example, this isn't just theory that isn't just me spout off because I think this is a dumb initiative. This is some of what we now have a fact. In nineteen eighty five nineteen ninety five excuse me twenty five years ago. The Clinton administration over the objections of folks in Wyoming Montana and Idaho. The Clinton administration under Bruce Babbitt Secretary of Interior introduced wolves these same ones that they would introduce here. Canadian Grey Wolves which by the way we're not a native species here we have what was called the Kimble way back when we did not have the Canadian Gray Wolf which is beggar and even more vicious. So so they introduced force forcibly introduced thirty five. That's it in in the Frank Church wilderness in Idaho on coffin specifically about the Idaho experience now. So, introduce thirty five in hopes. This was. Lewis Davidge plan of eventually getting Kim breeding pair established. Well, they sure did. Today there's not only the thirty five. The minimal estimate in Idaho is that there's at least fifteen hundred. Instead of a pack of wolves. They've got eighty to a hundred and they don't just have them in the Frank Church wilderness they cover the entire state, of Idaho. They've now migrated because when you get it, would would got a big enough population established a new pack. They just keep moving on and moving on and moving on and we got him in. Colorado they moved likely from that Wyoming introduction. Recognize stateline county lines no. The Idaho of thirty five wolves are now. over fifteen hundred, they're not only all the whole state there also in Oregon Washington and California. And and still lumine they. ISSUE THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND HUNTING PERMITS every year. In Idaho. They've got the government officials in airplanes for part of think it's the USDA department some division of it. That are up in airplanes trying to hunt and kill the wolves from the air shoot 'em. They allow trap in which we of course don't come around not anymore. And even with all of that, they can't keep up with the population expansion. Of these critters. So what was once supposedly a a wonderful thing from the environmentalists perspective that something that needed to happen Now you've got the wolf that is despised and being hunted down and killed itself. So nobody wins This is. The classic. You know the road to where is paved with good intentions. and. This might sound good to some people. But again, we've already got him. And what we haven't talked about. Gail you and it is the cost of this. they were forcibly introduced in Mexico in New Mexico, and Arizona years ago. I believe it's New Mexico and says, they've they've spent forty four million dollars, not only get them there but then the manage him after the fact immune all the stuff that's gotta be done. WE COVA just took US three billion with a B. Three billion dollar bite out of the state budget and that's what we know so far. We'll see where the with the number finally am job. Be Yeah, it's going to be much higher and so now when we've got to cut back on roads and bridges and education and healthcare and everything else in the state budget. We're supposed to approve the spending of millions of dollars for the introduction of something that's already here. And the people that are going to have to deal with it western Colorado really don't want it and I was. As, you point out in your piece it will seriously disrupt the way of life for farmers, ranchers, hunters, fishermen, all all residents across western Colorado no wonder we who are in rural areas once again are feeling as though. Well, we're not only ignored, but our wishes be damned. Rural urban divide in Colorado and that's that's pretty good way to describe it. A. I I ran for governor course in Colorado and when you that when you run statewide, you travel the whole state. Colorado Kinda home to the anyway. So I always enjoyed that part. You don't have to visit with somebody in rural, Colorado. Very. Long. To find out how they do feel. Insulted ignored sometimes, almost despised. By by the urbanites and and and you know our government is so Denver Boulder. Centralized now really is and and it just compounds. That sense of do I even matter anymore geno wonder. Is cleaning the area you're certain with your broadcast I'll wonder how many people if you years ago said, let's just pack up and leave was I. Let it go let my people gal exactly. That's only got worse to yeah and I remember. We still operate in our dairy farm in Boulder. County. We almost felt like zoo animals you know. Every everybody ought to have. One can go look at them some day. But nobody. Nobody showed up. At one o'clock in the morning when we did that I, I of the day milking. Without with that part? No. No. Of course not of course not. All right. Well, speaking of Wolves plenty of them out and about for dating and politics these days and I would love at a future date unfortunately, the clock, a very strict task mistress in radio but I would love to invite you back on to talk about all the insanity that we are seeing in politics these days. So would you be open to that? That'd be wide open to other sixty or so days left to do that and I look forward to the opportunity gail it. Sorry it is a strange time. It's certainly as Bob pray thank you so much for taking the time of former US congressman representing Colorado's seventh Congressional district and a Bison rancher in Jackson County you said. I got it. Up. All, sir, thank you so much for your time and your insights certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot gail bye bye. Take Care Eight fifty, three now thirteen ten Kfi K.. Dan Patrick the whole show and Colin Coward or on Northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten. KFI K.. 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"They even though fans can attend this year's masters. The tournament is using the flexibility of a hybrid cloud to scale their capabilities. Now everyone can be a patron learn more at ibm dot com slash masters fried passion and patron tree of college. Football leaves here. Paul finebaum show our one podcast in to a tuesday and we are all collectively hoping tuesday goes better than monday. But we're not that optimistic hoping let's keep hoping because yesterday was brutal. Today is off to a another rough start. let's get to the headlines and share with you. What is going on as you heard here last night. When the commissioner of the sec very pointedly talked about the day you knew days like that would becoming. You hoped against hope. They wouldn't be. But where are we right now. We know a couple. Things are for certain auburn. Mississippi state was postponed game ten be scheduled for december twelve. That was yesterday the alabama lsu game in jeopardy pauses. Pittman tests positive. Well today auburn is now causing. That's the bad news the good news. They're not playing. Meanwhile pittman You have to hope that there aren't any more problems there but he won't be in arkansas. He won't be. Excuse me arkansas. He won't be with arkansas when they take on the gators this weekend. So what about auburn first. Cova cases since september. We talked to coach malzahn about a week ago. He said things were going great. But with the virus raging literally out of control around the country and if not the world it is affecting college. Football gus malzahn earlier today gonna take it day by day. Our guys like i said for seven straight weeks did a super job and so we I said we're just doing virtual things right now and Once we You know feel comfortable with doodle. Feels comfortable We'll get back going with our practice and in our workouts. But right now. We're just preparing for tennessee A staff and players as far as film goes so talk to someone who has covered this very aggressively and eloquently throughout the summer and into the fall and that is ross. Dellinger from issa. Ross good afternoon. Thanks for being on a brutal day yesterday. In the sec. And we're not sure it's going to get much better. Where are we right now. It is it was a brutal day yesterday and it like you said it. It doesn't seem like it's getting too much better I can only speak on a few of the situation. Certainly the one down in baton rouge get knocked not great I think maybe the overall theme here all while we're seeing these breakouts Is it two or three reasons but one is. We just came. You know. we'll get a half to go just came off the holiday. Usually you see spikes of they gatherings parties it. I think that's part of this too. You're starting to have teams by weeks in coaches as you might expect Leading their players. Caballo free talk and That often turns into Sometimes coincides with the halloween the in the holiday and you again sort of having gatherings and spread and the third thing hall is something i've heard from Athletic director laugh. Few weeks In that is when you travel you you just you're not in that quote unquote bubble as much anymore as you are your your home base in you might pick up a thing or two You might spread the virus in confined spaces like hotel rooms or Or visiting locker rooms that are known to be pretty small so i think those three things are going on here. Right now in the sec. But can you back and speak on the specific ace in baton rouge that probably i know more about than than any of the other ones. Is it kinda great situation i think. Lsu is probably right at or under the threshold to play a game and The game of alabama very much very much in jeopardy I think they're still going through the process of the the contact tracing process Down in baton rouge. I do know that today they. They sent their availability. Report to the sec You know like. I said it's it's either Right at or under the threat show were were very much on the edge. Let me ask you about that ross. Because i don't need to tell you you lived in baton rouge This is not just a game. This is big game as you will find all year long in the. It's in prime time following the masters. I know everyone wants to see it happen. But what is as best you can tell us the issue in baton rouge. I mean obviously is a is a contact. Tracing issue is positive issue or all of it. i think I didn't a contact tracing you which which is Written about quite a bit Starting as early as june. It seems like once once every two or three weeks About it again. Because it is is the toughest part of this. The contact tracing. It's the most difficult in it said jack and it's inconsistent across the nation From team to team and conference the conference and it can enveloped your program unnecessarily You you you know through the contact tracing process you could Quarantine fifteen twenty twenty five players in in you know none of them my end up having the virus Or maybe five of them might have having the virus eventually. And that's why the sec. And some other conferences or at least toying with the idea of doing with the nfl then which allowing a A high risk contact. Who has been put away for fourteen days because of contact tracing to test out of quarantine. But that hasn't been approved or anything. It's just kind of discussion but to get back to baton rouge. That is the issue. Noel schumer has a handful of i think three or four Less than five popular. From what i understand and the rest is a contact tracing problem. Ross i realize we can take this up until the end of the week to extraordinarily well. What if you could lay out the rest of the week four. So what are the key moments to keep our eye on in terms of keeping this game alive. How what it get back to what you said earlier. This isn't just sitting on the game right. I mean even though. Lsu's down this year. And you know four touchdowns spread it still a game involving the number one team in the nation for one in maybe the. Sec's you know. Best best chance of getting winning a national championship this year In and then as you mentioned there's a network tv aspect of this. it's it's a late game for cbs. Follows the masters coverage It's a huge spot in so the lead you you would imagine. The league wants to play this game if possible. I if the if the numbers allow and so they in the schools that have been working together. Now as far as you know times to watch like i said this morning i believe. Lsu correspond with the league sent their latest availability. Report in the league is going over that report going over it with the with the schools i can. I can tell you this. Lsu is is still practicing airfare. They're practicing today As of the to be in central at least They they did play in the practice practicing so Right now game. The game is still alive but it seems like it is hanging by a thread. I don't know if decisions going to be made a today. i thought that it might because again l. Sensibility report this morning. But maybe it's something that comes tomorrow instead but i. I can't imagine it going past tomorrow. And then my question. Paul who is a pretty big tv spot for cvs so if the game is cancelled What happens to the by in unsure if they can decide Ole miss game the quicker. The better for cbs. Ross realize really basing everything right now on what you know at the moment but you you you. You can't some doubt. How close do you think. This game is to being scrubbed. well it is changed I heard about this issue back on When thursday i think of last week In the friday. And it seems i would. I would say at that time it. It sure seemed unlikely. I didn't report anything. There were some it was just so often. The air in the numbers get changing the contact. Tracing raw process had to play out. It's still way playing out. So i i would have said free unlikely last week over the weekend again. It seems highly unlikely as we got into this week For whatever reason. I it seems that pendulum swing a little bit that That we might actually play or certainly. They're trying their best to play this game in some way in. That's kind of where we are almost seems like a coin flip But it still to me does seem somewhat unlikely that that we are to play the game but Again you never know i think. Lsu is very close the show if not under fifty going to be critical but still you know as we've already said what are the biggest games of the year. If this game doesn't happen is gone because we all know. Florida and lsu have moved to that open data at the end of the year on the twelfth. I think it is going. I don't know how else. I don't know any other options. I i don't know what you do. I know the commissioner resolved with yesterday in mentioned playing some games on championship weekend That involve teams. That are not in a championship game. Well i mean you know. Alabama is well on their way to being a championship game. So if that if that happens it would be made up that week. that weekend so i i think the game this you don't play is is cancelled. Which would be you know. Fairly stunning at lsu. Alabama robbery series played every year for however many years and But this is we. We expected anything right. You know this. There's no flexibility left in the schedule. The sec gave that flex dating gave a bye week. in there's no flexibility right now and so here we are. I you know a lot of this stuff was was expected but when it when it actually happens when in reality it it can be stunning that we could be looking at a situation where lsu play realize what you said a minute ago but a lot of reports today was supposed to play at am that game. According to i think billy lucci said he thought that game could be tabled as well. I mean you're talking about with auburn. Mississippi state alabama lsu. Maybe that game. We're talking about a lot of games already this weekend. Yes three three games. could conceivably be Postponed off the calendar for this weekend or cancelled Which is shocking. The sec is Go on about halfway through the year. See regular season without too many bumps. but but now we're seeing. We're to the bumpy stretch of the road here. Which again we kind of expected might happen in is happening. So billy's report in. I would say that Any team that causes Activities Five days before scheduling of for a schedule game You can put two and two together. They're right. I mean it's going to be really tough when ross for those who don't the swimming this like you do. What exactly does that mean to the layperson pause so Yeah so a great question Usually when you start finding positive cases which i think he. I think billy lucia reported. There's a couple right positives. When you start finding positive cases you have to then start Tracing high risk context those who have been within six feet of those positives for more than fifteen minutes or a high risk contact In both parties. Not wearing a mask or a high risk contact and they'd have to go into quarantine for fourteen days in order to do that. Contact tracing incident tinsel process Wrote deeply about a couple of weeks ago but it's like a police investigator investigating a murder. Like you're you're going through timelines with witnesses. Were you at this point at this time. How close we new to this positive at this point and it's an intensive process during that time paul a lot of places will go ahead in part knowing that you're going to have a good bit of tracing going on you just paul's all activities so you don't get any more High risk contacts in a happening am is they have paused activities so they can do the contact tracing process But obviously they found enough to to make billy believe that you know the game is probably offer this weekend which again when you hear a program as pause all activities five days before scheduled game. It's kinda commonsense. You're you're probably gonna have problem play in that game. Okay well ross. Thank you as always fantastic to hear from you and nobody knows. Nobody is written about this more than you have. Well come back soon. Always appreciate your time roz dellinger with the rather grim beginning which sounds like a continuation of monday. Let's talk about what we do. 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Johnny manziel hard to get bigger than that huge performance against south carolina. And we walk into that and we will now do what we do here on the program and get your phone calls at eight five five two four two seven two eight five start with don who is in knoxville tennessee. I'm doing great. How about you going to talk to you about the. That made a lot of changes here. I wanted to run by you. If it's okay of course. Should it back at quarterback at put holiday. He's a new. Gm straighter edit really back. I put heart in head along with gray and small outlet i'd let hodgson and wash had Go in and knocks the defense out a little bit for small to ruin and also make changes on the offense to i would put pruitt sitter Trade as at right guard is smith at tackle the rap side so they can knock home center running backs tell you. What did you ever coach football. No i went through four years a house to. I have to tell you my friend. You know your football Okay i'll dp. And i would go with the seeing year you straight. Let me say this. I think that's a pretty good reshape. Make sure coach show pruitt gets that. Hey thank you for calling from knoxville. We were talking primarily about the Issues they are not alone. There are other issues around intercollegiate athletics. The naval academy has put off the game with memphis. That was a big game issues this year so has memphis particularly early in the season. That game postponed when you start getting games postponed at this point in the year it is increasingly difficult to get them. Rescheduled so again. We're watching a number of stories in the sec. We've talked about auburn there now. Done for the week with mississippi state game. Am critic tennessee. Game alabama lsu. You hard you her dellinger there. The we're waiting to hear some information out of missouri as well. We'll soon as we get more on that we will let you know but This has been a very difficult week so far and we are only at tuesday. Had the double check. Seems like we should be on saturday by now. Let's continue with more phone. Calls than christian is up next. Hey christian how're you doing today sir. I'm doing well. Thank you christian. Thanks for taking my call It's been a little while since i called in. I wanted to call in and talk about my sportscasting career and I also wanted to talk about the obama. Lsu game. i'll start with my career. I just got done Now here's the thing you know caught up before that obama fan but i try to be fair with other teams and stuff but i just got done doing a strain on my youtube channel talk in illinois football which is a very specific team and Some really good insight on that and You know i really. I mean it was. It was just a fan talked about how he feels about. Like the defense. And how it's been you know down the past two years. And so but i as a spare share that with you and then as far as the lsu game goes i mean. I saw some news with like these tova. Let me jump in for say christian. We just talked to roj dillinger about that in this game is really up in the air. It's not the only one we're going to update all the different Issues but now there's some conversation that missouri missouri commute trouble. Let me go to eddie. I eddie's in florida and you're on the air. Hello eddie wall damn eight fall. Look me let me say this man and you had a. It'll be with with with the coach. John on hugh hugh freeze for is. Yeah i've never. I've never seen what he noted that leitner blatantly disrespectful thing you can do Two coaches that are struggling. I mean put it this way. I know of coke. Who had the job go interviewing for other jobs. Well hey hey. Eighty eighty slow down the second. My friend He's not interviewing for any job. He never talked about any specific job yesterday and he even said it would take something very special to get me out of liberty. So let's be fair. That is all a bunch of smoking mirror okay. He can sound political all. He wants his. He's been in and he knows exactly what he's doing. Paul yeah he can't come verbatim. Come out and said he knows what he's done but you know he's he's a high on the list so so so teams like tennessee south carolina over and it doesn't always work that the hot cocoa don't always thing i would have said he. The guy was the head coach at the guy was the head coach missy. He's not like some aspiring coach. He beat alabama twice. This guy doesn't need to to send up any flares. Everyone knows where he is a poll. Alabama what is. Your paul isn't just a white all rhonda the year. What about winning a conference championship. Have you done that yet. Okay let me give you a name. Hot coaches bobby pacino. Calm her down. As chip kelly was now got thrown a long all. Now will the sec. Tv funny hasn't been done to. Also he beat alabama trae fall in the tag wanted championship If you're alabama fan you know you know. That's not true in two thousand fourteen alabama lost in the to ohio state. The next year they did win the national championship. After losing to ole miss at home we will take a break. More to come on. The program will give you an update as we work our way through about. Who else is in trouble. Covert wise. It seems like everyone i know. That's an exaggeration but not by much land in dickerson doesn't know whether he'll be playing this weekend he's hopes to be in baton rouge the tide center will join us next listening to the paul finebaum show podcast and we welcome you back here on this tuesday afternoon. It's been a busy one. We are really looking forward to changing the conversation a little bit as we welcome in land in dickerson to five year graduate senior at university of alabama. He's only not only a great student to quite an outstanding lineman play guard now. he's playing center remington nominee. Landon thank you for making time. This is a crazy world. We're all living hope. Everything's going well. You're starting for the number one team in the country. Yes sir thank you for having me on ball. Let's let's talk about the now. And then i would like to go back in your career because most made no this story but you started your career and played for three years a shoe but let's talk about this season. I because the tide rolling to say the least number one in the country As we hope they get ready for lsu this weekend. That game is certainly hanging up in the arab when you hear stories like The covert issues going around. I know it's part of life right now but How are you and your teammates. Dealing with the uncertainty really. We just handle it and we we control. We can control we. We can't control anything happening at lsu right now in louisiana but every day we come in here preparing just like. We're gonna play a game on saturday. Coach sabin mentioned this yesterday that he was reluctant to send players home because of kobe. Not laughing matter. We all know how serious this is. But i'm assuming and hoping everybody made back in in in good shape. Yes i think everybody did. Our staff done a great job on really educating us on how to avoid you know close contact situations and really just making sure that we stay safe and we keep our family safe and whoever we may be around just taking those precautions making sure that it doesn't only impact the team but everybody's families. They traveled home and landed. I think that's one of the most interesting parts of this season. And you know it's easy for adults to Question young people even though when we were young. We were irresponsible as well. But it seems like the players for the most part At done a really good job and i think the audience would like to hear just the challenges that you were all met back. In june there may have been some bumps early on but it seems like most programs are especially alabama overcoming. All this so. I think a big thing for us. Is you know as football players and a student athletes. you know we. We love this game and we wanna play so you know when it comes to making sure that we stay safe and keep the virus from spreading. You know you have to make some sacrifices in your life whether it be going out in public wearing a mask. You know keeping a distance. I think just that all falls into little sacrifices that guys wanna make because we wanted to play a season and i think the biggest thing is you know we we really wanted to play and so it wasn't. It wasn't a challenge for us to give up those little things to make sure that we could have this time this fall. What a great message. I would like to talk a little bit about your career because you grew up in north carolina. You're obviously heavily. Recruited you ended up at fsu and you had injuries obviously that but in the end what was that experience in tallahassee. Like florida state was a great experience in my life. It taught me a lot of great things as a young man growing up on a lot of lessons to learn you know especially with injuries kinda how to overcome adversity. I was surrounded by all types of people just like any football team. There's guys from every walks of life. My time at florida state was great. You know the coaching staff. Great players teammates support staff. Everybody i really enjoyed my time. There certainly When you got to alabama. I mean these are two of the storied programs in college football history But what was different about landing in tuscaloosa. You're still in the south. You're playing for a the most famous coach. Perhaps ever in the game. What was that experience like when you landed there. The experience here was mean. This is one of one of the top tier college football programs in the country. And coming here. I saw a great opportunity to continue to develop not only as a football player and working towards my masters in business administration and also growing as a as a man just having new experiences. And you know meeting new people. You you mentioned the masters you graduated cum laude which not bad. That would have been a good day for me. Any any of my At any point in my college career what. How difficult is it to balance. Because you just can't have a by mailing it in How much time do you spend studying throughout your career and working on your on your your your your next degree. I guess. I should say i think a big thing comes down to i value education and not not in the sense of academia. I think as just as humans we owe it to ourselves and everyone around us to really you know be understanding and be ready to learn. We can't just face things and already have an answer in our heads. So one thing that i would like to pride myself on is you know i. I like to be understanding like to ask questions. I like to learn more about. You know really anything. I mean whether it's weird subjects like whether it's business football science cars even I think this is a big thing to know is just valuing. Education is really important and succeeding in life. I know someone of your football prowess is probably thinking about. Maybe putting off your your business career after your nfl career but assuming you do have an nfl career that successful. What would you like to do with that degree in terms of applying it to business i haven't had a concrete plan. I think i'd like to get into real estate. A little bit Possibly work towards you know building some businesses and owning a few businesses. And i haven't really thought too much into the specific area. I want to go as times. Change as the economy changes you know. Obviously innovation will happen. New areas of the market will come up. And that's something that will probably change as i continue throughout my career ended. I think the good news is you probably won't have to worry about your business Part of the career Anytime soon. so let's let's let's get back to football before we let you go get get ready for this weekend Just being part of a great line. I'm sure Is is important to you. But but but what's it like. Being around jones who went from someone that many of us doubted would would be the starter by mid season and now not only. Is he a heisman candidate He is a first round projected. Pick talk about the connection between you guys. Obviously senator quarterbacks are pretty pretty strong bonds though mean mac is a great guy both on and off the field Ever since i first got here. I had a lot of interaction with him every day. You know senators and quarterbacks we always snapped each other regardless of who's in or who's not. Mac's always had a great mentality when it came to things he he the way he plays the game the way he carries himself during practice during games and then everything he does. He's just got a great mindset of how to really attack the day get everything he wants to out of the day and finally i briefly mentioned coach. Saban you just now your second year playing for him. I know it's special. All coaches are important but Being around someone like him. What does it mean to you. And what have you learned from him out. Not only being around coach sabin but all the other coaches here the amount of knowledge in the resources we have here is second to none. We i mean we have access to the coaches that have been in this game longer than i've been alive and that just have so much knowledge of the game and it's it's just been an honor to be able to be here and really learn from these coaches and get feedback on how i'm playing what i'm doing and being able to just grow more the football player and kind of learn and understand what i can do. Better landon dickerson. What are the best at his position may be the best landed. Thanks for making time. We we wish you all the best and it was a great pleasure to have you on. Yes oh thank you for having me paul our pleasure. Thank you very much landon and we. That was fun. What a cool kid. We are going to take a break mortar. Come more of your phone calls more guests on a very busy afternoon. You're listening to the paul finebaum show podcast and we walk into your backyard. And we welcome you back to some breaking news and it is not good john reporting from dot com that alabama. Lsu has been postponed for this weekend. John will join us shortly. You heard it. When we talk to. Ross dillinger that lsu once. I sent the availability. Report into the was strongly signaling. They would not have the fifty three players necessary so one of the biggest games of the year in college. Football is now in jeopardy. And i say that because as of this moment there are no empty spots on the calendar. That could change. We have the commissioner on. They can start rearranging games here but the twelfth. Which is the open weekend for. Everyone is already full right now. Because that's when florida in lsu we'll play we'll recap everything that is going on today and it has been another dizzying day with auburn. Issa stayed auburn now apologizing which may or may not affect next week's games. You have an pausing We already lost the out of the mississippi state auburn game now. It looks like we are on the verge of officially losing the alabama lsu game missouri. Having a few issues. It has really been a tough time if you missed our conversation with the commissioner last night. He acknowledged a lot of stress But they also. He also said that they are could use the championship. We can to make games now. The question many will have. It's one thing for rutgers and maryland to play to try to get a few more games with the. Sec are our teams like georgia or lsu. Wanna play on that weekend teams that are used to playing for the sec championship. It could be a real dilemma. Let's get back to the calls and working here Let's talk to rick. Who is in florida. Hey rick go ahead. Hey glad to speak to you a long time listener. I'm a seventy five years old and broadcast radio for local high school for thirty years here and then had my own sports show. I had a question to ask you. And i just heard what you said about the alabama lsu game Probably being canceled. Is there anything that says. Cbs could not switch over and pick up the florida. Arkansas game that night i would. I would say it's highly unlikely because you know there's a pecking order. Cbs has the league game every week. And then the spn picks up pretty much everything else. Either on espn or the sec network. And right now with the dirt of games this weekend. There's almost nothing else to put in that spot. So you know in a normal world. Companies work together corporations work together. Political candidates worked together but Right now i don't think so. What what would it gain. Well there is possible reason. Cbs and he spn could have some commonality. But i doubt it's a short answer. Okay well that was my question. And i sure appreciate your show formation. You give thank you very much. I mean i'm not a programmer for cbs. But it seems pretty logical to me what they end up doing is just replaying the masters it may not be perfect but it's probably better than Running a young sheldon in prime time. So you have the masters on all afternoon and it was supposed to lead in. It was going to be a fantastic lead into the game. Was starting earlier. It was starting at five pm baton rouge time because it was coming right out of augusta but now We'll wait and see what she was going to do. But i mean i can't imagine. Espn changing horses. We are going to get getting an update on this But the game is going to be listed as a postponement but we don't know whether it will be pointed as simple as that so we'll take a break john to you will join us in a minute. He'll update us on that game. And everything else and we were having that conversation. Thank you for listening to the paul finebaum. Show podcast the paul finebaum. Show airs weekdays on the sec network beginning at three eastern.
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Civil war the way America can end in twenty twenty tonight nine pm eastern ablaze dot com slash. You know I have to tell you welcome to the program America I have to tell you I. I I go from I. Go from a dark mood to alight mood somebody said to me. Got Glen who what happened yesterday your doom and gloom, and the whole world is ending in today and I said Yeah today I just embraced it today just handle it a bit. You know. But I'm I'm looking at some of the things that are going on and Pat? Gray joins us, filling in for stupor gear and I'm wondering. If there isn't an awakening that is happening. I. Don't necessarily think it's the great awakening, which is the only thing that I think will really truly save our country which is an awakening and a turning back to God I. Unfortunately don't think we've been humbled enough yet. When will we BE I? Don't know but. If you look at some of the things that are going on for instance if you if bill, Maher gets it. As willing to say it. yougottobelieve. Apple that believe the same things like Bill Maher. Who are all around the country who are maybe not saying it yet listen to Bill Maher. I'm not down with this properties on the table. As something we can just take because things are not right. Where's this mass destruction of property happening right now if you watch the Portland it's two square blocks review and it's in the media. Please I know you've seen it. Look, at me like making this up. that. Somehow, this is a justifiable approach well. Part of protest I mean how asked? Do you believe. This guy. You GotTa Papa John's franchise and he was yelling through his broken glass you're going to elect trump and I'm just trying to feed my family. I don't think his view was just like say Levin Property. I mean. That's pretty amazing. That was a CNN reporter by the way looking at him like what are you talking about and he said critical words so your part of it. How many people are feeling that I'd I would love to know anybody in our audience who didn't vote for trump last time but will vote for trump this time. But I don't know if you care to. To admit that I was just talking to, Steven one of a guys. that. We work with and and he was saying that he knows somebody that was. was not a trump supporter. No way was trump were then not a trump supporter now, a trump supporter again. was like I you know I can't vote for this guy. Thought he was out of control can't vote for him can't vote for him, and now is like I can't vote for anybody else. We can relate to that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know during twenty sixteen, I didn't think I'd ever be. Voting for Donald Trump never but I never. I have to yeah I have to yeah and. It's not some. Thing where you always are like well, you got a binary choice not not. that. Not Not that. It's it's too critical. It's to. The the consequences are too dire if Joe Biden is elected and I think that Donald Trump. Knowingly or unknowingly. Is the only one that can actually correct it. Yeah. Because he's kicking walls down yeah and and he has done some things that were so unexpected by me at least I didn't expect him to do certain things that he's done and it's been really pleasant. Surprise you a is isn't the UAE is or is it Bahrain? That is signing the peace deal today? By signing onto the It's crazy. Amazing. It's crazy and no one is talking about that. No one has because what are they gonNA say about the only say good things about the only thing that I've heard that a Democrats say about it and it was Nancy Pelosi, she called it a distraction. destroyed. A Mideast Peace Agreement is a distraction credible. That's absolutely incredible. Then yesterday protesters demand that cops let themselves be stabbed or shot. In. Lancaster. Lancaster. They, they marched yesterday and demanded. That cop's just take it. Means you're going to be shot or stabbed. That's toby. That's Penance for your alleged racism. My Gosh. No I. Don't think so no, I don't think so and and I think these things are all just stacking on top of each other. How about how about this one? Lululemon. Now lululemon is a is a place where you can go in and buy you know a hundred and seventy dollars. Yoga Pants. They, have come out now. And they are promoting an event. That will teach the participants to quote resist. Capitalism. Market value of forty one, billion dollars yeah. Yeah. Forty one billion well, you can. You can. You can buy one? Hundred thirty eight dollar tights they're. They're one of the people you know what I mean. But now they got there is everybody else I guess should resist capitalism. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. By the way they just. They just announced a four, hundred, eighty, nine, point five, million dollar gross profit for the second quarter of this year. Half a billion dollar profit one company one quarter, and they are leading the charge to stand against capitalism and decolonize gender. Let's not. Because I'm sore tired of colonial? Men. Gender. Right. Right, yes let me give you another piece. Swing states. Swing. States. Are Having. An amazing boom to gun sales. Apparently, in gun stores across the country. the the guns are selling out normally they carry about one hundred, fifty pistols on a regular day. This is one gun store. But there haven't been many regular day since the onset of the Corner Corona virus in March as the public unrest that emerged in June after cove. Id. hit. We sold out of AMMO and then we started they started with the protesting and a lot of gun start flying off the shelves you can't. You can't find a gun in some places. Now, you can't buy it. You can't buy the munition abroad or look at the monthly sales data as measured by the FBI background checks confirmed swing state voters eagerness to arm themselves in two thousand twenty, the nine states at the epicenter of the presidential race between Donald, trump and Joe Biden saw historic seasonally adjusted gun sales in June larger cases than the record setting sales, of March, assign of surging demand for firearms in the wake of rioting and protesting that if turned that turned violent in Arizona. I mean they they have seen a twenty thousand. Persons Spike in. MINNESOTA. Hoof. A thirty thousand persons spike in Ohio thirty or forty thousand persons spike I mean it is. It is crazy. What's going on in the swing states Well what does that say when you have Joe Biden coming out and saying, I looking for more gun control. And Harris's saying, I'm going to be much more progressive with the police and the defunding of the police is going to happen under Harris Administration I mean with Joe Biden has an incredible statement. What do you think's GonNa Happen? Are People actually with this and give you one more barometer. Remember. All they have to do is just lose fifteen percent of the black vote. Have you noticed the the makeup of a lot of these crowds that are still protesting out there burning cities down there. White kids they're not blacks. Yeah. They're white kids. The vast majority are vast majority I mean it wasn't the beginning, but it is now These they're burning down those communities and everyone is very well aware that the left and the Democrats are doing nothing to stop it. They are endorsing look at Bill Maher. So you're part of this, where the CNN reporter says well, isn't paying part of protest. Since when? Since when member when they said that about the tea party remember the the other. Of course, they had no violence to complain about but they comes Elaine that we were inciting it. Yeah we were inciting it. And look at now. I. Just don't think people are for it. And I. Don't think it's just GonNa go the way the Democrats hope that it's going to go. Let me give you one more thing. Remember if you. If you look at. The. Groups that the Democrats have carefully fostered because they go after groups they don't go just people they go after groups. So one of them that they've had lockstep with forever is African Americans that shimmying apart. If Donald Trump can grow that by five percent. And hurt the Democrats by five percent, and then all the damage that they're doing themselves that alone could swing the election. To be a much wider victory than it was before but listen to this. A published by the nonpartisan Jewish electorate in institute and conducted by Garin. Hart Yang Research surveyed eight hundred eighty likely voters online from September second through September seventh and has a margin of error of three point five. Though what they found was. Now, this is going to sound like a blow out, but it's not in comparison to former years, vice? President Joe Biden leads President Donald Trump in Jewish voters sixty seven percent to thirty percent. However that thirty percent is the highest of any Republican. Presidential candidate in recent records. If they lose just pieces. Their coalition is falling apart the the labor unions that were solidly four Democrats and I heard this one on NPR. They are now saying those labor unions the saying we can't lock it up. We don't know. We don't know there is a divide in the labor unions there wasn't a divide before. Wasn't a divide. And are if you're in a labor union, are you going to say you're voting for Donald Trump? NOPE I. Wouldn't either I think that there are some good signs that America is beginning to wake up. Now God only knows I've I've given up on predicting the American people. About two elections ago. But there is there are real signs that America is waking up I would love to see real signs that America's churches. Are Waking up because that's what made us good and that's what makes us great. All right. Our our sponsor is American financing. American financing nmls one eight, two, three, three, four, www mls, consumeraccess dot org. Okay. You know that really fun game that you play with your bills every month called how close is it going to be this month I love that. Well, it's fun. America's been playing that since covid came around will you don't have to play that game anymore what if you could make a good solid financial decision that would help? That you've got a few hundred dollars left in your account at the end of every month or maybe as much as a thousand. 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Have you seen the the twitter feeds of the Cubans for trump. The Caravan took place in Miami No. Await until he show, you can't back this can't wait to show you that I know the Democrats are a little concerned about the cuban-american. They're teeny bit concerned. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's lots of things that aren't being covered i. know this sounds like it's You know whoa really it's surprise surprise there's a lot of things that aren't being covered. In the national press to try to let you believe that there isn't a big support for Donald Trump and there is and you know it's really interesting to me another thing that I haven't heard anybody talk about. Do. You remember how big the crowds were with. Barack Obama. Your summer yes k. huge. The second time he ran remember he booked all those arenas. Yeah and no one showed up donald trump is booking arenas for his second is second term. During a pandemic and they're still filling up. So I mean, that's amazing. Yeah. We've never seen anything like never seen any. No I mean Barack Obama was a phenom the first time but then he is his real supporters. Felt he sold them out his real supporters are like he's not helping. He's the same old cleese. Clinton. Just in a black man's body. What is this helping? Even, as radical as he was. They rejected him. Donald Trump has followed through with his promises so much so that people who don't like him for his twitter you know stuff cetera et Cetera they're like they're looking at going I'll he he didn't sell us out in fact he is the only guy I've seen in politics since Ronald Reagan that is actually the second term you're like. Yep. Yep I. Think he's I. Think he's more important now than he was in the first term. Yen a big portion of those I think are African Americans? I. His support right now to polls is around fifteen to twenty percent with with the black vote. If he got fifteen to twenty percent that would be gigantic organic gigantic and it's something like thirty to thirty five percent of the Hispanic vote now, just those two blocks are going to. Push him over the top. So I was looking at this yesterday and when Stugatz back, we're GONNA put a electoral college map up but if he wins You know if he wins to seventy on election night. We were in trouble. Okay. But if he wins three eighty. there's no way that it's a mirage. There's no way you can turn it around. Right? You know what I mean. It it will only be a problem if there's if there's a problem in the key states that just put him over the edge. And It's got to be a blow out in those states and if it is. What are they GONNA? Do you're gonNA falsify more ballots in California doesn't matter Is the Glenn. Beck program. 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Now for free freeze ziprecruiter, dot com slash beck that ziprecruiter dot com. Slash. Beck. Glenn Beck Steven Crowder Dave Rubin N meatpacker listened to all the conservative voices at the blaze TV blaze. TV Dot Com Promo Code Glenn. Hello and welcome to the Glenn Beck program a message to president trump please take Joe Rogan upon his off offer. Joe Rogan said yesterday a friend suggested to him while he was in his podcast said, you know you should have you ever thought about doing a debate and he said would debate and he said, no having the debates no, no BS debate put. In one chair Donald Trump, and the other don't let either of them. you know dominate, and and turn this into just a political nightmare. Just ask them questions and insists that they answer. And he said no but if they do it I, love it. Well he tweeted later who's in for this and Donald Trump said I M. He Re tweeted Joe Rogan said I am I think he should make a date and challenged Joe Biden to show up with Joe Rogan and if he doesn't show up Donald Trump should show up himself with Joe Rogan. I, think that would be tremendous. Just tremendous because they're going to try to say that you know we can't dignify. Of Donald Trump with a debate, we we can't even stand on the same stage with him. They're going to try to get out of the debate every way they can. They'll also say that Joe isn't a serious person. If I remember right Barack Obama did an interview with the woman who took a bath in like cheerios or Spaghetti Os you remember. Right I, mean Yup I. Think Joe. Rogan's a little more serious than that lady. But please do it I think it would be huge huge for for Donald trump take him up, set a date show up and challenge Joe Biden to show up the entire time I. think it would be a tremendous. All right. Let me go to the phones with Debbie Debbie. You're on the Glenn Beck Program. Hi Glen. So I did not vote for Donald Trump the first time. and I absolutely plan to vote for him this next time and why didn't you vote for him the first time? The first time I was a complete Ted Cruz supporter. And I did not like the things that president trump heads said about Ted Cruz and his father and mother's. I wanted somebody SPRINKL. Who I felt had a little higher moral character. Okay okay. All, right okay. Not Vote for Hillary. And I was ecstatic when she lost. But after watching the job that president trump has actually done while in office. And frankly will watching the press or listening and listening to the press and the way he's been treated. And mischaracterized. you don't believe that he was a climate arsonist. Okay. All right. Okay. Although it's an interesting new name. Yes, it is. It is. But. One of my big turnaround early on when the press started reporting that president trump had called all Mexicans racist or rapists and. And that sort of thing and I thought why in the world? Would he say that? Well, I had an opportunity right after that started getting reported to go back and watch the original press conference. And it was nothing like what was reported? And so that really taught me a really anthocyanins D-. to me to go back. And the original sources and one press conference regis speech and it happens over and over again where he's not a perfect match. I. Still I know who he is. But he's done a phenomenal job while in office and I. Think he burned the right to another term. I love what he's done for the country I. Love that he loves the country I. think that is one of the big things Debbie. Thank you for your call I think that's one of the big things is you know two things about him for sure his children love him. And children could not be that close to a a monster without being a monster themselves. And say what you want about the children but I don't think they're monsters Vonda is just I don't agree with her probably on a lot of stuff but she's a decent person and she'd have to be a monster to know if her father was really like what everybody said she'd be a monster self and I don't believe that the the second thing that you need to know about Donald Trump as he does love the country and that used to be something you just count on. Not Anymore and I don't think that Joe Biden hates the country. Joe Biden's not in control of himself I. Mean if we don't tell him that it's Tuesday and time to go vote and where to vote, he won't remember and he won't find his way to a polling place and I say that not you know in half only half joking. He's not in charge of it. And the radicals he surrounded his administration with they don't love the country. Let me go to Matthew in Alabama. Hello Matthew. High. Yeah. I. I also I did not vote for Donald Trump last time And a lot of reasons just said I did not like him as a person enough then how he talked and acted. wasn't sure what to think of policies or to trust that he really be a conservative. and so bows go for Hillary. Is Know shows up third party? this time though between seen just the way he's been treated by the media. and seeing that he has done. A. Lot better than I thought still wish he would burn his phone or someone would take his phone for him. but I. I think I will vote for him. I'm feeling like, yeah I think I can go from this time. Mostly. because. It's time. How do I fought my still not on board and for him but Joe Is also, I just the the Democrats have just so much more for less I feel like. The policies are so much more extreme on their side. I feel like I can't just stand in the middle. I have to pick a side and I'm keen. Well Matthew very much what's holding your wife back? still alive of who from is that she also We also discussions about everything happening with especially with race happening and and she's a lot more on board with anti-racism and things like that, and we've talked a lot about the pros and cons of both sides and I will say one thing I'm disappointed with. Something Republicans is. I. Feel like we're missing an opportunity with only pointing out how extreme and what the goals left are without recognizing that what they're doing is taking a real issue whether Israel pain. and. We're not playing a different solution where we're like there are. You know laxed have less income they do have less wealth. have been there are worst schools. But I I'm with you that like the the things that are playing out as far as the solutions are not the right solution say will. Make it worse for everybody. I feel like if we don't if he did with the first of of of criminal justice reform I, think it was a great thing. I think if he speaks it out and say, yeah, here are some things we can do. Police are great. Let's hear some accountability that could happen. You know the school system could be better for everyone here. Some things I think it happened and I think if there would be more on. I think if we leave a vacuum at least more. Leaves will I will extremists to flourish? I will tell you this matthew if the president wants to take action to help the police a then you are starting to wander dangerously into perilous ground. Constitutionally, you do not want the federal government involved in your local police that is a very important separation. It cannot become a federal institution with any in any way shape or form, and we already are waiting into those waters The second thing is that the president shouldn't be the one talking about solutions and I know this is a very, you know libertarian kind of view, but that's not the president's job. It's not even the president's job to create jobs. It's his job to execute the constitution which would create jobs if we did that. But look at the look at the difference between saying, I've got special programs for everybody. And just creating jobs look at the difference that happened in the lives of African Americans. You know one of the big things that is causing the disparity is the the destruction of the family, the African American family and quite frankly the white family and God forbid the Hispanic family. As, those families are destroyed more poverty happens. So the best thing we can do is is relieve the African American in all people in poverty of some of these horrible restrictions on on welfare or or whatever that are holding people in to a position where it's better if they're not married if they're not together. That's really unpopular but. Those. Are the kinds of things that really truly make a difference. Thank you matthew. One more quick call from Scott in Ohio. Hello. Scott. Hey. Glen how you very good. Are you a member of the Union? No I'm not I. I used to drive limousine. Okay. In fact, I, drove I, drove you and I was called a troublemaker by the by the mayor. But. I I know a Lotta people. This is all union town and I know a lot of people who work at jeep. They won't admit it but they are not Biden supporters they're gonNa vote for trump they can't say it because they're in the union they'd be ostracized and whatever. But Toledo's always been a union town. We we've we set our record for most murders in any year this year congratulations and they can't. They can't figure out why? Well it's because we had Democrats running the city for fifty years. and. That's the whole thing they don't think about. Trying to solve problems they just try to put a band aid on a you sink. Do you think the average Democrat is seeing that now? A lot of them are good good but but a lot of 'em in town I would not. Dare put a trump sign in front of my house. Wow was I. would I'm sure I would have. All kinds of problems I put a black lives matter signed my yard, right? Be Fine but I had a blue lines. We add officer that was shot in Toledo and I put a sign out. Supporting the police and it was. Somebody. You know tore it down and took off with it but. It was I only had it for maybe an hour. Holy Cow. Town. Yeah I I will tell you Scott. Thank you for having the bravery to do that and I don't think you're alone in in seeing this and as they get more and more extreme the leftist the left is in charge of the democratic. Party. Right now and the more they have these these anti everything that America's ever held dear rallies and the protests continue to go on but they are riots. Not Protests and the media continues to Just Destroy Donald Trump or at least in their mind destroy Donald Trump I think the media is going to be the the reason a second time donald trump is elected i. think they just would have done honest reporting. You wouldn't have had this deep divide and you could have made a case but I think there are so many people that see. Donald, trump has just been. Dragged through the mud relentlessly this this impeachment thing that didn't help that made a worse much worse. 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Semis with flatbed semis trump. Line. Just. Astounding yeah. Let me look. It's amazing Jason and none of this is being covered. Thank you for your call real quick. Let me play the video just real quick and describe it here for you. This is the rally in Florida. Thousands of cars you can I mean as far as you can see, all ready for this big trump rally here is the here's the Biden. Rally. Literally like fourteen cars. Look at that in empty parking lot with fourteen cars. The. They should be worried they should be worried. Hey everybody knows pay pal. But did you know that they were teaming up with honey to save you money? Honey is the free online shopping tool that automatically finds the best promo codes and applies them to your cart, and now it's part of the pay pal family just add honey to your computer and shop on all of your favorite sites like normal. 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Analyzed four hundred million dollars donation. And the four, hundred, million dollars in donations seem to have some red flags of maybe some foreign involvement. And one of the reasons is. Half of. The money. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Half of that was from unemployed individuals. Now I don't. I don't know where they're getting three, hundred, million dollars, three hundred, million dollars but those are pretty wealthy unemployed individuals. We have that plus what's going on with the investigation with judicial, watch with the Mueller team accidentally wiping phones a story that no one is talking about who the real whistle blower was. All that and more coming up in sixty seconds. Glenn Beck Program. All right when it comes to buying or selling your house right now is the time that you should be going full speed ahead The real estate process is really difficult depending on where you are some places I mean. 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We have been certainly their fundraising for black lives matter global foundation is going to interest to us Act Lewis, a conglomerate organizations they do the political fundraising for campaigns and candidates as you pointed out there that pack activity but separately, they raise money through this charitable arm that then gets funneled to another third party, which is running black lives matter as a fiscal sponsor. So if you WANNA give money to black lives matter you can't. You give it to act blue. That has I. Guess a Pinky promise with this tide center, which is a far left group that is acting as a fiscal sponsor. For matter, you can't give a donation black lives matter. Larussa. have. It be tax deductible. It's an unusual set of circumstances that if a similarly situated known conservative group was involved in, that'd be called for investigates Oh my Gosh, and there should be investigations on either side that would do something as slimy as this. act. Blue I think the latest document that I saw shows it about seven percent of what goes into act blue actually goes to black lives matter. So where's the rest of it going? Where's the rest of it? I don't. Know. I've never seen anything like this I've been. I've been involved in nonprofit work for twenty plus years and the idea of a fiscal sponsorship. That's something the left has been doing though when you think about it, remember acorn. They kinda operated the same way they handle all these allegedly independent groups that would run. By one central organization in those cases, the tide center, which is the incubator for the far left and their organizations. Yeah. I did a lot of work on the tides foundation. An called many many names nobody did anything about it, and now look at the Juggernaut that they that they are any comment on on. You know two hundred million dollars plus being gathered from donations from homeless people or people that don't have a job. It's an awful lot of money. Isn't it Tom? It is a lot of money and again the area political fundraising. They report what they report, and unless someone is willing to get behind the numbers and get behind The Self Reporting this is going to go on not only with act blue, but everyone else and act loose suggests that the reason that they have all these unemployed people because they're homemakers or they're wealthy and they don't need to report anything other than being I'm self employed but. You know it highlights the fact that a lot of money sloshes around in our political system and despite all these laws for transparency, which I really don't put much faith in any way the both principle and impractical span practical issues practically speaking it's harder track wall, the money's coming from, and so all those concerned about foreign funding you know there are a lot of easy ways for foreign nationals participate in our election system without getting caught in an improper way. All right let me change the subject. There is a story that I read. well-documented well, source and I am not seeing it anywhere. That the actual whistle blower during the impeachment was V- inman himself. Lieutenant Colonel Veneman was the guy who was on the phone call was disturbed as in his own words because it was going against a policy that he agreed with and had worked hard on and wanted to see pursued. And he'd he went and talked to shift I understand this, right? He couldn't be the whistle blower because he was on the phone call. So they needed a another guy and he went to end told someone about it and said, blow the whistle go to shift, go to these people and blow the whistle. That is that do I have that right? I think it's I. Think it's close enough it became pretty clear during the impeachment hearings themselves when he was questioned on it, but then men that had talked to the alleged whistleblower that shift colluded with an properly in my view. And my concern is always been that. Just, because someone else is has a national security clearance, it doesn't mean you can tell them everything. And anything you want just because I if it's classified, they have to have a need to know and if he was improperly sharing the contents of that classified cool eight with his brother or be with his buddy over at the CIA evidently that was the actual whistleblower who had previously in the White House both under Obama and trump that would have been inappropriate and I've always I've always been I've been highlighting the need that Vin men should be criminally investigated. The whistleblower should be criminally investigated and to ship was involved in the sharing and properly classified information and his staff that criminal investigation should extend into the house. So here's my frustration. A lot of this stuff tom we've had for months. Now we've known a lot of really damning staff and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and if it is, it's it's going to happen during the election and then what happens after that The Justice Department It's been asleep at the switch on virtually every major corruption issue here and Durham was appointed for instance in April of last year, and it's now what seventeen eighteen months later I use my fingers to count. We've had one. Plea agreement that was kind of half baked. Handed to him on a silver platter by the IT. Late last year. Nothing else no report. Maybe someone's being targeted maybe struck that's I. Don't know what in many ways it's too late if he does it now poet politically GonNa Call Maelstrom which is unnecessary, and then be as you point out after the election depending on who wins at either Lizard is. So, what happens I mean? We have a horribly corrupt system that I wouldn't want a Democrat or Republican to have to go through I. Don't care who it is. It is we have seen now a deep state we're seeing it with the CDC the CDC yesterday we found out is going forward with their their their critical race theory education even though the president has signed a directive that no one in the administration, no one in our government is supposed to be holding those things. They just thumbed their nose up I mean, we have a constitutional crisis. Because there's there's no one that is answer. Answering for any of these things. Change. Much right I I've I've been highlighting the crisis it's called. The problem we have is we don't even have self-government anymore you know is it consent of the government where we elect Congress and they don't do anything and? Just write checks and keep their eyes closed the rest of the. Agencies. Don't think they're accountable to the use of the president or the American people and depending on WHO's the president. The President doesn't act like he's a can't always out with President Obama and in terms of the CDC and these other agencies you, there's this casual sedition that goes on it's really dramatic. and It's happening virtually every day. I'm sure the president's frustrated out by but if I were him in terms of like the Obama Gate and all the corruption, I would just go declare transparency emergency tell the agencies release everything you have. Stopped with the stonewalling. For instance, we just got the the documents about the wiped phones by Muller's Team Twenty, seven, thirty, one how recounted. I. Don't know if you've been able to wipe your own phones but I've never. Out How that no, I, don't know how to do that. Yeah Doj's had the document for a year. A year. We'd be. Fr- we actually I asked for the information back in December or the beginning at the end of two thousand eighteen, we sued a year ago. So let's say the clock began went then it's supposed to be generous. They sat on it for a year. They are still hiding struck page documents they're still hiding text messages. We just sued for email I don't know. Necessarily because you did anything wrong, we wanted to know CDC communications with WHO in China and early days the Virus to see what the lies were that we were being told, they're telling us, they can't get to the. Until at that, only at a rate of five hundred pages a month, which means eight thousand pages will be reviewed an and that means we will be getting them until. Do the math twenty, twenty two. What's happening? What's happening to us? I'm for the rule of law contempt for the rule of law within the agencies and the president's appointees don't give a rat's tale about this transparency they don't and it's resulting as you point out of rule of law crisis. So what is going to have it? We can't continue as a nation. We have no trust in anything. We see people getting away with it. We I see reports FBI is looking into the funding of black lives matter and and Tika in these protests. Guys it's not that hard. It's not that hard and it feels like we're looking and looking and looking, and then nothing happens. When is Sir I mean how do we survive Tom? If. Nothing is done. Well. It's a challenge in and I say that traditional watches for work kind keep the government. It seems like it's completely out of control, but we bring it back down to earth, using the rule of law and the accountability of free information, the freedom of Information Act. So there's a ability to petition the government under our Constitution that we have to exercise more forcefully and more regularly The left is quite adept. At. Getting information out to destroy their political opponents from the government. Here, we want to figure out about the corruption in government and judicial watch is often alone pushing for it Congress has got reform and restore itself and certainly the agencies has got to be killed and cut back 'cause the abuses will increase in metastasized the bigger and bigger government gets in my view it's Taking a fifty thousand for. Big government big secrecy big corruption, big oppression all go hand in hand. And You gotTA, pull it all back. You GotTa curtail the government, ensure transparency reform and restore the congress and have a president and cabinet agency heads who take this seriously in my view I. Jeez. Are like a a a waste of time. If the cabinet agency heads are doing their jobs, that's that's what they should be have the heads of the agencies should be the IG's. While I don't know if I. Try I don't know if I trust. I'd like as many is checking on these guys as possible. But the Jeez are created or a creature of the deep state and our experience used to both suppress information and target whistleblowers. That's what they are remember they weren't put in there by the good guys are put in there by the radical left who thought they needed to control the presidency to keep the bureau agrees free to do what they wanted to do. All. Right. Tom Thank you so much really appreciate a keep up the good work judicial watch if you. If you want to help out, see what they do or blow whistle judicial watch dot Org Judicial Watch dot org. Thanks Tom. All Right WanNa talk to you about pain. Li Lives in Ohio. One Sunday morning not too long ago. She found herself sitting on the couch. She was in tears. She was she had spent day after day after day for years in pain and at that moment it just broker she didn't feel like she had anything to do. She didn't know. So. She finally is like hydrogen. 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How is black lives matter and Antifa have you noticed how these guys are flying from city to city and getting the? Yes. These guys don't have jobs that money's coming from some place money coming from where's the money coming for probably active blue and George Soros a lot of the act blue money is probably coming from George Soros as well. Betcha I'll bet if you trace a lot of this money it, that's what you would find. You Know He. He's got an organization that we exposed of what about months ago. That is truly terrifying. He got together and brought together seventy billionaires. And he put together a group. They meet once a year you have two, hundred, fifty, thousand dollars in dues that are are required, and then you how much induce two, hundred, fifty, thousand. Okay every year a year. Okay. Then you have to donate I think it's an additional, two, hundred and fifty thousand minimum. To whatever the group says they're going to do. Okay. That's why black lives matter has all the money that they have these billionaires these people that are I mean look they're they're not anti-capitalist. They are four. How does George Soros make his money? He collapses economies he goes in he rapes it he buys it all up. Then he sells it quick and says, I don't have any trust in this and all my friends don't have any trust in this we're getting out and it collapses twice not even welcome in his home country. He's not welcoming four countries because he's done it he's doing it to the whole planet right now. He's doing it to the entire Western world. And nobody's paying attention over here. It's not like he hates capitalism he'd likes dirty capitalism. He's going to have all the money in his friends will have all the money they all survive. They'll have your money. This is the Glenn Beck Program. Voice hated shaving. It's a hassle when your kid you you couldn't wait to start shaving. That hair coming out of your in your like a man. 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He's the police commissioner and I don't know if you knew that but I did not know that he didn't know that. Yeah. So he's the mayor and the police yet. So if let's say we were watching Batman. Right, okay. The mayor would come in and say to the police commissioner we got to get Batman on the phone and then the mayor would look at himself as the police commissioner and say I'll start the bat signal. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But it's handy though it is it is cuts down on all of the meetings you know what I mean yeah. He's also the head of the Office of Equity and Human Rights And the head of the emergency management and the head of the budget office, but just those and the head of the Office of Management and finance. Okay and the Portland Development Commission. And the Housing Bureau. So, if something's happening at his house, the mayor's house. He can immediately call himself at the Housing Bureau and say look something is going on and I demand some action here, and then the housing bureau says, I just got a call from the mayor and that's why I'm calling you police commissioner because you've got to do something and he's like I got to do something we're trying to do emergency here we're in an emergency situation, call the office of emergency management, and so the the mayor calls the WHO's now the police chief is calling the emergency management and he picks up the phone the mayor does and he says my Gosh, this is horrible and then the mayor calls them all and says I want a meeting with all of you. And I want some answers. Now you all go to work and I demand that there is there is a report on my desk by three this afternoon. And then he goes to work and it's a brilliant. That's ridiculous. Wow Middle East. It takes less time to assemble all those people don't meeting the most towns. Hey, look. You don't have a problem with carbon, right all the cars. Warming rate. It's great. So now. He was elected in two thousand sixteen. And TV doesn't like him very much. And that's very sad think of portlanders with a very sad face. So there is a new candidate that is running her name is Sarah Ianna Roane. and. She came in second in the primary with a whopping twenty, four percent of the vote. So she almost got to the Hitler number but not quite, and she's now in a runoff in November against Ted Wheeler. Now here's a great thing I on is a longtime community organizer which don't laugh we know how powerful they can be. We do last year she tweeted. To all those who say ANTIFA are violent thugs I am not a violent thug and I nt. I'm ANTIFA because the red hats are coming after Brown and black people after Jews. After Queer and Trans people and more. Red Hats are really that's we. Seen any of that. And the Jew thing is weird especially today seeing that I mean they're gonNA put Jared Kushner in charge of peace in the Middle East. Ridiculous Oh a except it's working and they're in the White House now signing the deal the peace treaty between Israel and the A in July. She tweeted this the cops are violent agitators full stop. Wow. Playboy magazine interviewed her and her campaign manager with the headline and Tika in focus and in the interview she says I feel responsibility to change the public discourse. Around antifascism absolutely because this problem exists within the system and it's important that we use radical tactics and her platform states one of her goals is de stigmatizing antifascism and clearly demonstrating that the people of Portland wished to stand up and rise. Against the rise of fascism and white nationalism, the demonization of anti-fascism is dangerous for democracy. Wow. Here, she is in an interview just last month on Portland's NBC affiliate. Denounce this kind of behavior separate from the larger more peaceful protests Sarah. They. See nounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I would have to go back prior to the uprising to work on the issues that are causing these folks to be angry in the streets working on police accountability more aggressively, me needs to understand that these protests are an important part of a healthy democracy justice much. What about the criminal activity were saying? Do you denounce that part of it? I understand why they're angry. Pine side the building would you denounce that part of it with lighting fires are sin with people inside buildings? I'm not the person studying the fires. Here to tell about the question. Protests. Snatch Winton I. I clean up when things are unfairly targeted, but here's what I have to sing. Their out injured the police is valid and the problem. Of police brutality and execute black lives in the street more important than. It wasn't more when we can't forget that in this historic moment more. Lives people are in buildings because what Dante FA tried to do a couple of weeks ago they trapped police officers in a building, put a bag of concrete. On the exits so you couldn't move an open the exit doors. And then they let the building on fire she won't that's I can't deny that however she does go on to say this it's not going to stop until we admit that the police brutality. People are protesting, and until the police brutality stops and accountability is mandated than the protests are not going to stop, and that's why I think the answer is that what the do today but what we should have been doing years ago in terms of how we satisfy the community demands for justice peaceful protests in my opinion might not necessarily be moving the conversation forward and so we have to look at this as part of a healthy democratic process Okay. So there's the one you can vote for Ted Wheeler who has the experience of being everything. and Boy I'm telling you that Chief of police is his being monitored by the mayor and the guy who's running the department of Emergency Management. They are watching him like a hawk anyway you got that guy or this woman. Orleans just. So overrun by fascist that they just have to confront them. She says these right wing types call me and. Tom Unison a terrorist because they're scared of progressives who stand up to bullies there are right wing smears out there who tried to make being antifascist something that you should be against. It's twenty twenty. If you support fascism, you shouldn't vote for me. I'm anti fascism I don't want our country turning into what we see on the handmaid's tale on. Maid's tale. Well that's really close I mean I don't know if you know we lost Georgia to the handmaid's tale. Just last week, it's really rare. So fifteen homicides in July in. PORTLAND. The deadliest month in Portland in thirty years the worst summer in Portland in over thirty years. And why? Is this really the option and is this wind she's talking about the police. That's not what they're saying remember they're saying, give us your stuff or will burn it all down. By the way speaking of burning everything down. We have an update on political fact the George Soros funded organization that will make sure that there's Truth and Oh, I can't wait to show you the truth on the fires and I can't wait to have facebook attempt attempt. To Ban US restricted US de monetize us on the news that we have on the fires they'll say fake news really because we have all of the documents. So how are you going to make that claim? That's coming up. and. On Tomorrow's broadcast tomorrow night at nine. PM. The coming civil war how America could end. In twenty twenty. This is not hyperbole in fact, I had a it was talking to some former DHS. Guys. 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The CDC has moved forward with their critical race theory training programs. where they are training people in the CDC all about the all about the white fragility how white people are responsible how the whole system of government is skewed to white people and it's inherently racist. Will Donald Trump put an executive order in that said no none of the administration departments are to be teaching any of this. And they just. Went. Ahead Anyway. They're blatantly ignoring the president of the United States they work for him. But they think they are above elected officials. They think because they know better they work for them. No you work. For instance can you imagine? The just war theory remember what the just war theory is. It's what stops us from being Hitler's monsters, K it is a Christian theory about when war is just and when it's not about forgiveness and everything else it's what has kept this country from being murderers. It's hold his whole life. Will Barack Obama comes in and he stops the just war theory classes at West Point. It's been taught forever. It's really important. And they stopped. Because he said to stop, he's the commander in chief. He's the elected official. Can you imagine what would have been said if the Pentagon said? Yeah you know what? We're GONNA teach it anyway. Crazy what would have been said? And I would have been there saying it to I agree with just war, but you have to obey the president of the United States. What what are you talking about now the CDC that works for the president. WHO WORKS FOR YOU Has decided. I don't give a flying crap. Every single person at the CDC involved in this should be fired. I want to talk to you about built bar and. I don't know who had this morning I really you don't know I'd. Good. I, eat I mean look you eat these people eat these because they want to be healthy. Okay. Not Me not me I eat them because there it is real. One hundred percent chocolate. 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He is also the director of the Discovery Institute's Center on Wealth, poverty and morality and contributing editor of the city. Journal where he covers Poverty Homelessness, addiction crime and other afflictions. Really Smart Guy and relentless and people are starting to go to him now and say I've got. And he is posting them online and what he posted yesterday should chill all of us to the bones. Christopher. Welcome to the program. How are you? Very Browser to be with you. So. Tell me what you dumped yesterday. Yeah, yesterday was a big day because as as many of your listeners know the president pass this executive order abolishing critical race theory trainings from all federal agencies. But unfortunately, the CD operating in direct violation of this order announced to their employees that they were moving forward with a very kind of inflammatory race theory training that spanned thirteen weeks. I was able to obtain documents from inside the CDC as well as a external powerpoint that gives more content of the presentation. The content was truly horrific talking about trying to destroy the system of meritocracy trying to destroy the idea of American exceptionalism and trying to weaponize the CDC to fight white supremacy But even more horrifically is that this was a direct violation and actually glen this is breaking news I heard. Actually two minutes ago the Director of O. be rough spot just announced on twitter. He Re tweeted me with a message saying that these things have been canceled suspended indefinitely and you know I. I imagine the White House was pretty upset but this is actually a victory. The CDC has now been a kind of beaten back from its plan of continuing critical race theory training. So the the The bad thing here is that the response from the CDC was hey, look we have to do this because this is this is a health crisis. You know racism in America is a health crisis and it's getting people killed on the streets, and so they just decided on their own I will believe that something is actually being done when people start to clean house I mean this was. Did you get your was your source? Can you even say inside the system? Yes. My source was inside the CDC So had direct access to the internal emails. That were circulating about this training. So did you talk to agree I think this is a this is a good first step to to cancel this training but but there's really two problems. One is that there has to be some more severe consequences I know that if you were in a private company and you directly violated the CEO's order on something in a big way like this, you would be out the door within a couple of hours I think the same standard should be held here. But also I'm just one person with one set of sources. How many other agencies across the federal government are violating the president's order I've had some unconfirmed reports that I'm working on now that it's happening in multiple agencies, including customs and Border Patrol. My God I'm working on this you know today and tomorrow to confirm. But my sense that it's the tip of the iceberg that actually there are probably hundreds of these training continuing to happen. In direct opposition to a presidential order, which raises the question. What's the point of having a president? If he doesn't have control over his own administration. So this is the deep state. This is what is meant by the deep state on elected officials. That think they know better than the duly elected officials that they are supposed to work for. They believe presidents come and go congressmen, senators they come and go. We don't have to do what they say just keep it quiet just keep moving forward and they don't follow the directive of the duly elected officials. We do live in a fascistic state if that is true. Everything they say they're fighting. Well, we gotTA fight fashion. We got a fight with these police officers everything that you're saying you're fighting you're doing. If you a part of the administration or the government, and you are defying the orders of the president and. Helped me out on this Christopher said a while ago that this is akin to win Barack Obama said. The just war theory has to be taken out of the teachings and we have to shut down the classes of the just war theory. In at West Point I was wildly against that. Just war theory is what has stopped us from becoming the Nazis I think it should be reinstated but if the Pentagon would of said, sorry Mr President we're gonNA teach it anyway. I would have been on the side of the president you can't. You can't do that. Otherwise, you don't have a presidency you don't have a system of government you have unelected people doing what they want. and. Unfortunately, I think that that's exactly what we have I think that there is a kind of permanent administrative state that operates on its own ideology that really never changes depending on WHO's in office, and unfortunately for those of us on the right their ideology is kind of technocratic in nature progressive in nature is kind of scientific in nature it very much dovetails nicely with progressive administration. So I think what happens is that we may score these tactical victories like shutting down a training session shutting down many training sessions. But the problem of the permanent bureaucracy remains How do we make politics meaningful if the largest oregon of our politics, the federal government, which has you know more than a million employees if if if if the president who's duly elected under a constitutional system? CanNot control the bureaucracy and in the past they had a spoil system which had its problems. But one advantage of that is that the bureaucracy was political. The bureaucracy is no longer political operates independently. Yes. Of our political forces and I think that is a a true constitutional problem. That will have to grapple with for years to come. Well, this is something that the Obama Administration and What was it something two point Oh Society two point Oh? with Clinton, and Soros that they had developed. This is what they developed and and a system that operates on its own. No matter who that's why the president was targeted with. Ukraine. That's why they made that such a big deal. That's a that's a hill to die on and that's why I keep saying if the president doesn't do something about that, if charges aren't brought up and real people fired because of what happened. Nothing's going to change. If he just says, you're stopping these and he doesn't fire the head of the CDC if he doesn't fire all of the people that were involved in this. This cancer in it's going to continue to spread. Yeah. That's exactly right. I think that it's important that there be some repercussions because if the only consequences at the training gets canceled, nobody do any other agency around the government will say, well, you know we can go forward with it. What's the worst that can happen? We'll get our training canceled but I think the attitude would be quite different if all of a sudden. You have a kind of civil service members of losing their jobs. Immediately, you raise the stakes, you create a disincentive to continue with this because an executive order is only as good as as as much as you can enforce it So I'm hoping that first step that was just announced a by ownby director bought is only a first step and I'll be advocating for Some more severe consequences So we in if if you're exactly right if. They don't It's deep trouble if they if they do, you will empower the whistle blowers as well. Because whistle blowers are are right now sitting there watching it saying I've got something that everybody should know. But if I blow the whistle and the top people don't get fired that I'm screwed I mean they'll just they'll just they'll just screw with me. They'll. They'll go on a hunt to find out who it was. It will empower whistle blowers if they see justice being done. and I I. Commend You Chris. What you're doing is just tremendous. Just tremendous. Thank you. Thank you so much. You met Christopher Rufo you can find him and follow him on twitter at Real Chris Rufo, R, U, F O on on twitter. Please, take action. I've got another story on the CDC after share with you. All right I wanNA talk to you about your timeshare. It's the end of the year and if you own a timeshare that means the dreaded maintenance fee season is almost here. Now. Booking stay at a timeshare is notoriously difficult. 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What are you waiting for? Would you? Should. Know we shouldn't. Do. We have time now or should we wait until after the bottom of the hour go ahead caller Go ahead see if you have her phone number, you don't ever phone number. Just a matter you don't. Shoot Darn it but you gotta share the good news because I very excited. I'm not sharing it until I share it with my life. Very, exciting news she's going to be thrilled. Philly absolutely thrilled such a jerk more subtle decided incredible showing this is a friend. Royalty, best friend for thirty years. Sure your triumph owned by. ha what I'm doing. I could have sold it to her I coulda sold is a good thing now is it now? She's like a great thing It's a great. See. It's comments like that. Then she will hang onto. Knowing. It's a good thing. Yes. We'll. Say hired away pads and always a great thing he knows to was stupid. I don't even know what you paid for it. I'm just thinking it was a bargain. No matter what price you pay just I mean, it's almost a priceless piece of history to give my phone. Please can you give my wife on the phone Sarah? Do you have her phone number? because. If you because if I'm gonNA share it, I, have to now. I would I would think you know you don't get her on the phone don't get on the phone. There's a chance she's not listening and if anyone and Elena yes. Again, I'm talking about you and it's not funny when you go to her and say, yeah, he said Illinos knows talking about you. You don't tell urge if she's not listening. eat the yesterday something came up for auction that I didn't know was available until it was like an hour away from maybe a lizard. Time to call her give her the all there was no tied they're not. I kind of sometimes operate on. Begging for forgiveness Kinda sometime of. especially, with things like this because I know she'll say. What the hell are we going to do with that? And she sometimes doesn't appreciate Mike Collection of important American items. Surely, she'll appreciate this she's going to love and so yesterday. FDR. FDR Wheelchair. CAME UP FOR AUCTION and. You know sometimes auctions get a little heated and it was supposed to go for something a little more reasonable and In the heat of the auction it moved didn't turn out to be. In. Retrospect. It's not as reasonable as it looked like it could have been. A. And but it tells the story of here is in a time issue I do this now should I practice practice Assira? She won't. She won't even listen to this and she won't even listen to any of this when I say it I really was hoping just to pass this one of the radar and just GonNa, leave it there at mercuryone. Oh, look at the wheelchair then. Come from. That's a really good museum piece. Yeah. That wouldn't work either. But who did it is good right FDR's wheelchair if they had the opportunity. You can't pass that opportunity up when you're rob is partly well, not exactly your job. But Qaida. kind of arouse lurvin. Really Important American history. was. The first handicapped president the press lied about it the the resolute desk was changed because of it. And and at the same time, the Germans were killing handicapped people I. Mean it's Great Story Great Important Program Story. Keep working on it. Maybe you thinking pad. Conviction. Thank you. Thank. Patriot mobile if If you let's say have a a mobile service company that is selling you out at every turn kind of like pat just did with me. Let's see. You have verizon. Do you know they just donated ten million dollars to social justice organizations? You agree with Al Sharpton Right in his National Action Network because if you have verizon. Given to him Patriot mobile on the other hand unlike PAT and Verizon don't sell you out. 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We were just talking about Netflix. Or honey. Yes, I'm here. Okay busy we should let you go. Plenty time. Okay We were just talking about netflixing. Cancel our net flix. Yeah. We weren't talking about that flicks. was exciting new purchase at another yet another auction but it's a really important piece I think you'll agree wall I forgot to tell you yesterday. I did I actually did I did. And You know it's something that I think is a really important piece of history. And And and we and we wanted an auction yesterday and when he did because there was somebody else who is really trying hard to get it. So you know we got it at a basement bargain price that does not POW wasn't there. He didn't know. and. What price do you put on a one of a kind well. There is a price on. That you can put on it and you end up price, which is great because now you have the item. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm sure any Tanya sounds exciting right there. No doubt exciting wait. To hear about this. Teller which is, which is one. Now. This is a really important piece of history. Because it. Did tells the story of the press in the way. The way the press. Hit it Taylor. Out You are the pro, you are the proud owner. Of. FDR. Of FDR's wheelchair. Also. Congratulations. Question I miss. Question. Does that. World arrives. Along. With. What? I'm just you know just ask Oh, no no, there is nuts being. Pretty. Sure. There was nothing else. No. There's not nope there was nothing. Best of my recollection. Best of your recollection. There was nothing else seems just. So there was nothing else in the auction, the culture I know and it doesn't have to come home I mean somebody did asked me yesterday after I got it. They said, where are you going to put that? And I said, I. Don't know and they see and then somebody else said you can put it right next to the. German Nazi interrogation chair and. We're fighting again I. Mean it was the same time. You know two chairs, two nations you know so. All right sweetheart I love you. Oregon to come with a maybe it doesn't conscious cookies. Oh. Wow Alpha. Cookies the whole thing better, right? Yeah I haven't connection. What do you mean maybe Maybe you went to me I. Love You. By, who that wasn't as bad as I thought yeah. Unless it's a ruse because she knew she was on the air and she also don't know what you paid for it. So that helps a little bit as well. I'm sure. She might be thinking that's a really inexpensive chair. Well she would-be wrong then. As probably not a chair you're GONNA do. Wheelchair. Races with. Generally don't do wheelchair races anyway really you. Know you do. Yeah. Doing really time. Yeah. No this one will not be used for that. Remind me when you're going over to the museum, it is honestly interesting because he he did have the help of the press and no no no not the help of the press they complicit they re he could not walk at. All right. He could not walk. You'll see him with the with the you know the leg braces and the and the the the crutches. But he had to have his son on one side and somebody else on the other side actually lifted he would just swing his leg so he could walk but he had no power in his legs at all. They would long time period was that. Yeah from the yeah I mean he was the whole time whole time and he they would build ramps in front of buildings where his car could pull up. If there was a big federal building with all the stairs, they would build a giant ramp. So his car would drive up to the very top step and he didn't have to worry about steps I mean and no one in the press ever took a picture of it. That is incredible. Incredible. You WanNa talk about fascism. That's fascist. How that's fascism. Nobody in America really knew that the reason why the the the desk, the President's desk, the resolute desk that was built by Queen Elizabeth as a gift to to our nation and given FDR would sit behind that desk. It wasn't in the Oval Office I. Think it was in the map room and he would sit behind it but people would come in for interviews. That's the reason why the little door is on the front who remember that member John F. Junior John F. Kennedy junior had picture of him peeking out underneath his dad's desk that door was put there by FDR to hide the wheelchair from the press while. So there would be no pictures taken with him in a wheelchair. Wow Man. Incredible. It is. It is. It's hard to imagine in this day and age of the press and and. How rabid they are specially with with trump but I mean any president wouldn't get away with that today my no president no president and it was a good thing. It was a good thing here. The Germans are executing people that are handicapped saying they're zero worth and they're being conquered by the guy. WHO's in wheelchair and can't walk? Yeah I. Mean this is a really really good thing. So now that I feel a little better. Thank you I'm seriously I wanNA talk to you about Netflix's we didn't get a chance to talk about the the the Netflix series or lose no no, no I, the social. Yeah. Did you watch last night did would you think I thought it was great eye opening really kind of stunning that these people who are responsible for social media and all of these platforms many of those people are now completely freaked out by what's going on with them. Yeah and apparently saw none of this coming. At least that's what they claim. They didn't see any this coming I. All we wanted to do was make people's lives better in. Actually probably did some of them may have thought that yeah, I think they thought the. Like Ray, Kurzweil told me because I said to him in two, thousand, ten or eleven I said. Where the ethicist where are they, and he's like Glenn. None of those things are going to happen and I'm like really well, they've all happened at. They've all happened and more than we even envisioned right and so. and. Now, these guys who were the ethicists and were the people that did the like button and everything else now they're coming out and saying there is no free will. You don't know how you have been shaped. You don't know what choice is yours, and what choice has been just put in front of you and I thought they did a really good job of showing how the algorithm works. With the three guys control room is a really good now. It made a really big impression on my kids. It was Sunday night that we watched it, and so I said and tomorrow we're going to discuss this and we're going to end. So last night we sat down at the dinner table. It was a huge mistake because they had twenty four hours to think about it and they both were like dad. I mean, it's scary for people like you because you grow up in this, but we've grown up with this our whole lives. So this is normal to us and I'm like. Oh I remember when I was fourteen. it doesn't work. And I said, you know we started talking about free will and they are just add a place to where and this is why they don't make the decisions. They're just at a place to where. They're fine with that because they don't see the real problem and when you get so twisted into the matrix that you don't even know what's reality anymore you don't even know who you are you've been shaped. Yeah, that's a problem. That's a real problem they go into. Pretty good. in-depth. Discussions about how they control us how Google manipulates us not and not just Google but. The salty platform this stuff where they do they are figuring out how to get you back online. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. When you when your kid puts down the phone for a while, what they do to send you alerts and make your phone buzzer Ding to get you engaged again is. Absolutely incredible. I don't think anybody ever thought of now. You'd never consider them. No. I never thought about the swipe down and you know the and refreshing things. I never thought of it. They explain that as like a lottery I mean a What do you call? Casino? Jackpot. Yes the slot machines slot machines. Where they said, you know that thumb where you are refreshing and let's say you're doing your mail or twitter or something like that, and you pull it down and the wheel spins and then new things load sometimes. They said that gives you a feeling of a casino. Yeah and dopamine hit correct that Simon what's his face talk yet I mean that's amazing. It is absolutely amazing. Now the other thing. On. Netflix is cuties. and. As, much as I. WanNa Cancel Netflix's I think I have to me to Me To. My wife I, we were talking about talking about the the show as a family because none of us of obviously seen it. But I saw the I I got through about ten seconds of the trailer and thought I can't watch this. Despicable it's absolutely disgusting and filthy, and so when my wife heard about it, she said, well, we've got cancel Netflix's then. And I I said let's not get I. Mean. I. Don't know about that. We can be upset about it keep sending the money. Let's get no agree but I don't want to live life without net flicks. Well, by the next day. I kind of hit me know she's right. We gotta get rid of it, and so she's cancelling at this week. Out Today. She might doing it today. She might actually she probably watching the rest of that series. Netflix's that's what's. She actually it's not much of a sacrifice for her. He never watches it but you hate, Yes yes, we've got disciplined. My wife is always like we can't watch this series and I'm link spend their free time wisely. I don't stomping so smart. Okay. Stop It. We just WanNa live like dogs were fine with that. But one thing is when you cancel Netflix's that's what thirteen bucks a month. 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Regalia at the White House to sign a historic peace deal. I mean. When people think that I mean the the press has done this to themselves if he does indeed win. I think he will have the press to thank for a lot of it. Because people are fair and they just know. You guys are no. This is a big deal. Yeah and when it's downplayed or not even covered by the press I think they know what's going on at least they do I think they do but it requires them to even know that it's going on. Yeah. You know this you know with with. Social Media. That whole thing could be. You know a limited in algorithms right out of everybody's nude photos feed except for people like us. You know the amazing thing that I learned about on this documentary that we were talking about the social. Dilemma. it's on Netflix now. And it is. It shows how They're feeding you the extreme. Of everything and they know what you want and what you don't want. They blame all of this unrest on you know talk radio and on the right and everything else note here are the designers of it. Saying we are the reason for the unrest. We what we designed is pitting people apart and they don't know what the truth is anymore because of the algorithms that we wrote. It was a, it's a brave brave statement. For, these guys to make is, will it make a difference? I don't know. Will the president fire the head of the CDC I hope so For disobeying a direct, not just order an executive order and deciding to hold thirteen weeks of critical theory lessons at the CDC even though the president said not to.
William Ramsey, The Satanic Panic Head Fake |463|
"Payrolled. Running from me lawyer to ask form you know what I want to talk about in a minute judge POWs GONNA call us down. He's GonNa one no. For Ready for China we we are now ten you know why not rule one I get paid don't work don't worry I. got you money exactly you got it I know it's coming talked to my boys Melissa Block, trashed in on it. That's Matthew mcconaughey from the Lincoln lawyer schooling his client on how the legal system really works. It's a topic that factors into this interview I have coming up with Attorney and Investigative Journalists, William. Ramsay. Quite prominently especially when it comes to the case we're GONNA talk about one of them, the West Memphis three and how it generated. This ridiculous meam about satanic panic because as you'll hear, no matter what you feel about the legal proceedings surrounding. Damien echols in these crimes there really should be no doubt that this is an individual. That was deeply deeply involved in Satanic occult practices and I say that, of course, because you've listened to this show with satanic being in quotes because we can't pigeonhole this evil and hang it on one guy, here's a clip from the. Interview with William Ramsay. But he looks so innocent and harmless but that's exactly the point I wanted to put on about the deception. He's caught with an just outrageous lie there right right. Yeah. I mean they caught him in a line that he was writing a secret script I. mean the allegation is that he was obsessed with the occult right but they denied all that. But while here's a jail, what's he doing? He's writing the secret script that has Jason Baldwin's name all-stock Rowley and then he gets out what's he do? He's right back writing books about magic. In in making all these very different interviews quoting he's talking about the moonlight. He's talking about rituals twin tweeting about it. I mean, it's just incredible that. People can actually be. The lead on that think that that's not involved in this case. The skeptical. Were we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics? I'm your host, Alex Harris, and today we welcomed William Ramsay to skeptical. William is an attorney researcher author filmmaker. And Creator of William. Ramsay. Investigates. which is really quite an amazing impressive body of investigative journalism and interviews at listen to so many of them I think I I came across William on Opperman report and he's done a ton on there but it's just incredible body work and it's really really relevant to the stuff that I wanna talk about and that's why I reached out to William and he was nice enough to kind of come on and talk about some stuff. It's such a great fit for some of the stuff I've been looking into a some of the books we should mention a pulled mop abomination, devil worship, and deception in the West Memphis three. You guys have heard me mention West Memphis three and sometimes I. Say like Inside Baseball and I know there's a lot of people that. Don't totally get that. I. Mean. The get it kind of on A. PLACEHOLDER meam level but. Williams really gonNA walk us through that because he's done some amazing research on that, and then there's children are the beast Alastair Crawley's shadow over humanity really interesting book in also I should mention of Emil movie that you need get. We'll show that just a minute and then finally prophet of evil. Alister Crowley nine eleven and the New World Order so William. Just pretty amazing stuff there. It's great to have you on. Thanks so much for joining me. Right thank you very glad to be here. So think right off the bat a lot of people are super intrigued hooked into this. Attorney researcher. Writing Books on curly in West Memphis three and not your traditional kind of True crime stuff I mean that's not it's not at all your thanks. So tell us a little bit about how you came to do what you do. William Ramsay investigates well, I was always kind of a person who is willing to research things that were not covered by the corporate media. I went to law school in DC and worked there from ninety five to ninety eight and saas very remarkable things at briefly worked on the. What they call the suicide of Vince Foster, which is really the murder of Vince Foster. He was murdered and dumped in a park foresee park. Just we can't just leave that hanging for people who don't know how. Quick quick sketch that case what how significant is what it's about and why it's not Zeus. Right. So he was a lifelong friend actually I think he lived in the same town Bill Clinton he was a lawyer he graduated his name was Vince Foster graduated first in his class at Villanova, which is a challenging law school. So it's very significant accomplishment and he worked in the White House he was I think the chief counsel or a council in the White House. Tight I mean he was tight linked into those gates. He was especially Hillary running I mean a lot of other things may be but really yeah the rose law firm things going back to Arkansas and there was all kinds of shenanigans and criminality. That were happening in our saw Arkansas. There's a massive drug laundering. Running in, laundering. That was using men Arkansas, which was kind of a airport that was in the military or as a transshipment point for not millions but billions of dollars, worth cocaine, and all that money had to be washed into. You know there's you can get. There's all kinds of investigations of people talk about that aspect of how the Clintons came up in power but he was. FG Vince foster was found in Fort Marcy Park it's called for more because it's an old civil war fort. That was made out of herbs really large pieces of the civil war soldiers union soldiers cut down tall trees and made this fort there that protected the Potomac and Washington DC during the civil war in eighteen sixties, and it's still a remnant and it became kind of A. became kind of a thoroughfare was the has got to get you background, but he was found there in A. Berm. Under unusual circumstances he left launch I can't remember the dates now I believe it was nineteen, ninety four. Clinton came to the White House in one, thousand, nine, hundred to. Serve two terms. but. He was found there in immediately called a suicide and it was super suspicious in. Like was there and we won't go into too far. But I I'd like to know your involvement but wasn't crazy like you know burn marks you know gone on the left side of the head right? He was left handed right? The gun is in the hand, which is almost never happens in a suicide because you're involuntary shock goes through your body. So it was looked like somebody who watched a Hollywood movie would stage something and also the fact that he was lying down on a berm. So what he would have done to do that was to actually decide to walk all the way deep into this park and then lie down with his back on Burr. And then performed the act hold onto the gun which nobody knew he owned, and then cover himself and rug fibers, and then the blood pattern would magically drift away. That was non gravitational. Just, off the chart skits and there's all kinds of covering up there ripped up suicide knows that were found in his briefcase recover I mean it was really dark and very dirty and So that was meant tryst how did you get connected and what did you do? Did you wind itself investigations or anything? Well? Yeah, I was A. Was An intern for the lawyer Patrick Knowlton who was one of the chief witness. So Patrick Molten. Goes, back twenty five years pat sites. It's unbelievable. But this guy's name was John. Clark and he still a lawyer in DC and I just went to work for him and what I did for him was compile this evidence file that was different than what was in the Star report and it was Kenneth Starr and the chief. aid for Kenneth Starr was Brad Kavanagh. Right he is now the Supreme Court justice. So most of the Star report was actually written by Cavenaugh and if you ever read through the Star reported read through. The footnotes suggest you do. You should read the footnotes before you actually read that make tax cavanaugh didn't pull any punches. They're all kinds of stories about but what Bill Clinton was really up to how many girlfriends he had and stuff like that. Anyway. So I worked for. Clark and I actually sat down with molten and they're still around still giving interviews and Knowlton was the first witness at the park who saw something suspicious the FBI tried to change is. Historic. After Vince foster died. It's not really that funny. But after Vince Foster, died, there was a new FBI director the next day. So the FBI director got switched out. And Yeah. So what Clark did is created something that was. Actually pretty fascinating because he's successfully had that addendum attached to the star report by the District Court DC it's three person court. They actually just ruled on the Flynn case familiar with that that's three person court the rid of Mayotte Damase was accepted by them, and they're supposed they were overturned the lower court with this corrupt judge in my opinion by the name of Sullivan who handled the fling case in an atrocity, he shouldn't even be on the bench. but. so that identified the Clark addendum or the Knowlton addendum to the star report is available was put on there by this three person judge you know there's all kinds of facts that that star didn't seem to want to think. So the Gripe Against Cavanaugh. With the Clintons is personal it goes back to that it goes back to the mid nineties. Lot of people don't know. That's a lot of this kind of species. You know he laughed at me while he was sexually assaulting me. there. IS A. Motivation for all that stuff that went down so So that was along the side but that was really how I kind of figured that their stories, their narratives, and then there's the real story and the politicization of reality is unfortunately a horrible. situation to endure for all Americans because you're still going through it right now and that was one of the things that happened in the whole. Vince foster fiasco long with so much other criminal anyway John Clarke had me take that addendum? So dumb, I was so naive I walked round in hand delivered to every member of Congress both in the end the senator and House of Representatives sites. So I was just handing this thing out saying a and I remember handing it to. Arlen Specter's office and all these other places source handing it out. And that started a very interesting. Interesting events of my life but that was really how how I was willing to kind of addressing. So that was really the Big Star. I was always a researcher of always reading things and I remember at the time I was reading, Michael Rivera. Who does what really happened DOT COM Who has probably for me? One of the more important alternative. analysts or independent voices out there but he had website called Rancho runamuck. Oh, which is for that's how far back I go and all that stuff. So that's really the start. So then I started researching pair of politics. Let me ask you this because. You know I've noticed that I, know this for myself but. There's this stripping away of the layers of the onion that I think a lot of go through you know. So you start I can only imagine such a great story I mean you're an intern your saw impressionable like you say you're laughing at yourself for being naive you know we can all relate to starting a career just doing what they say and kind of following the numbers under percent. Of what was it like? Though as you got the stuff you're doing right now so so far out there I imagine the yourself then couldn't even imagine you getting to where you're at. Now with this stuff in terms of being out there I can relate to that my for myself and I was always like about a laughed at this stuff ten years ago, and now it's like a real. I think. So I was you know I was like always listening to people talking about JFK. So that was probably my thing and I always thought they were Kinda Kooky in this this thing. But now I think they were all right and I didn't understand the kind secret society element, the elite mechanisms of control through the media. So I had to learn really a lot of that stuff firsthand. and. Yes. So I mean I was super naive I. believe everything in my boobs I followed the path of High School College you know these are this state tiers of success and You know I saw a whole different story. It's pretty amazing because. When I was in DC, I I have very close friends who worked in these lot firms and I actually. Like the attorney for Jeffrey Epstein before he was murdered like is to go over to their law offices on Fridays for free beer in that see all this guys, Reid Weingarten. So I saw, I mean I just saw a lot of stuff percent I know people who worked at. the Plato could cherish who was. it was. Lewinsky's attorney. So I used to go to places cherishes office I because all my friends we were all interns know also we were all just kind of. In the same kind of tear reality at that time. So anyway, that's why like I doubted emceeing committed suicide to. But these things do happen. These things really do happen. There's and I never really kind of considered the Colt which you know is really something that I. Really started out with like nobody really wanted to talk about a Colt. Ideas influencing political events or? The culture at least at my time, a lot of people would kind of dismiss you. You're been called conspiracy theories. There is but my books I really tried to. Very rigorously, site them and tried to maintain. A Higher Academic Standard But. That's what comes through and I think that's what kind of intrigues people is. You have that kind of lawyers sensibility. As you give more of the background, you can understand and I think a lot of people don't even understand the different jobs that attorneys do, and you know just kind of giving us an insight into how you think and I think some of that is from your legal training. Now Tell Me More though about the occult thing because you know one of the things I wanted to. I feel. Like is kind of hanging in the shadows here because when I originally contacted you I told you this project I'm working on and it's viable matters and it's really this idea that It's Kinda like the you know as I described in this show, you know kind of. Alternative Science or frontier science and frontier spirituality and by that. I mean I think there's a lot of things that are happening in science that is pointing towards this larger. And more expansive view of consciousness. Easy one to point to his near death experience you know or reincarnation either one. Solid Science you can point to you know two hundred peer reviewed papers at least a near death experience and the work that's done been done at reincarnation particularly at the University of Virginia. Is just stellar work that no one challenges that and it's been my. Position Not really position just what I've observed over the last ten years that I've done. That is that has shifted the dialogue from you know when we're GonNa talk about Cultural Lada think because when you talk about West Memphis three, that's what I love about that case it pops right in the middle of this and It starts splitting up some of these things like the the occulted satanic culture and how there's this wink and nod and do what Thou wilt and I can lie cheat steal, do whatever a half day I could deceive you because that's part of it man you know. But then at the same time that we never talk about is there is this twin part of it that just isn't exposed and that is the atheist stick a euro biological robot meaningless universe part of science see got a neuro sites in it still. I mean I repeat this every fricken show but I can't help it. They don't believe that you have not only free will they don't believe that you have experience they don't believe that consciousness is real and when I say that they mean consciousness is purely in allusion it's a byproduct of the brain and when you get stuck in that materialist paradigm in science is built on psychologist built on that neuroscience and you know all this I'm just repeating it. You can't even begin to process satanic ritual abuse. However, YOU'RE GONNA. Pull that apart you would say what I've heard. Religious scholars tell me on this show. It doesn't matter if it's true. It only matters what they believe and I'm like well, no you you got that completely backwards. The first thing that matters is is there this extended realm of consciousness. And are they somehow connecting with someone Evelyn Force in that realm? You may not you may dismiss that but at least you got a look at the evidence for that and before you dismiss it and say, well, that can't possibly be true. But the funny thing about our culture is we have this. Thing going on were both are operating where there's this you know Johnny Depp Duncan Trussell wink and a nod. You know of course, it's all happening. You know in this extended realm and then you've got this other side of Neil degrasse Tyson, you know, of course, consciousnesses illusion and then here's the shadow part that I just gotTa get out there because I don't want it to be like hanging is you have the the religious part and the Christian part and that I think when we do an interview like this, I talked to you and that's why I'd rather get it out up front. There's going to be a lot of people who are going to watch the movie read the book and they're going to be oh. Okay. I get it. This guy has a Christian agenda and he's GonNa Start. Preaching to me and telling me his narrowly defined understanding of how I need to relate to. God. How I need to relate to that? Ultimate Thing that's most important in everyone's life is they're they're sold, you know and what that sole means to them so. Thrown a lot on the table there but. Just, `bout I'm impressed because I think you covered the kind of little the you know in a general sense, the groups that are polluting the culture. You've got the kind of occultist. You've got the material scientists like nick grass tide. Center. Steven pinker or krause, or some of these other guys or the the Darwinist, and then you can put me right in that Christian camp. uncomfortable. I don't really think that I'm. I'm promoting a real. Specific kind of sectarian agenda within Christianity, but I definitely a Christian hundred percent. Okay. So let's just touch on that for just a second before we go there though I did say I wanna I wanNA visit your Vinnie. Oh, channel in show people some of the videos on there and I want you to talk about that and then we're gonNA talk about a couple of interviews I've done one with Opperman who I think has a fantastic showman. At such a go to show, you just gotTa get rid of those trashy commercial the only way I can listen to it with my little player, my hand, my thumb right there the skip now come on give me something good but I won't talk about Opperman and then I also want to talk about Rust is Dr Russ sure we saw two guys two guys. I've interviewed and I 'cause I wanna get that Christian thing handled and then I want to dive into Damien echols because I think that'll get us right back to all these things were going I want you to tell people a little bit about some of the work that you've done on the meow because you've taken the books that I showed and they've done some. Really, cool videos, and some of them have a lot of slide show kind of stuff. But you have some great video in there. You have a really good voice for stuff. You make it work and you can listen. You can watch here if you're watching but some of the stuff you know Johnny Depp and Eccles, and then you've got stuff on the process church so. Tell us a little bit about what's going on on video, and then I have another one that I watched last night children are the beast of video you did on Allaster Crowley. So tell folks a little bit about how these movies came to happen and. You know how you feel about them. But they were kind of outgrowths from my books. So I've done other than the spotify's killers, which is about this I think it's one of the most important crime stories that hasn't really been told nationally, which is the abduction and disappearance of young men for the last twenty, five years not only in the US all over the world. But the other wants to the children of the beasts was outgrowth in my book, and it really just wanted to kind of make it more visual approach. To that so that people could see that 'cause a lot of the books if you put too much in too many images in their, it distracts from the narrative. But the if you of into documentary format I think people also can learn and see things visually much obviously the documentary. So children of the beast is a prophet of evil ouster croly nine eleven in the new world order is another documentary in a Colt Hollywood volume two is out there. So I've got five full length documentary. My children, the documentaries beyond. Full, it's three and a half hours of Things of of events that people say aren't happening, which is men disappearing found in water. A judge PGA, accidental death over and over again hundreds of times but So that's how those really came about and. That's really the did. So the children of the beast was really an outgrowth of my research into cruelly, which is an outgrowth in my research denial Levin. which was just a general growth, my interest and para pure politics or a politics maybe. all those things like that's how that's how my interest in the Smiley face killers came about is because they're kept seeing the symbol in my research into croly and then it led me to think okay. Well, what are the Smiley face killers is an urban myth and then I started studying in then I started seeing people. Or young men. Disappeared end up in water. The first one I studied was a guy by the name joy abuse out of Columbus Ohio, and then I was watching it and our chief researcher Jim, Smith is really been on the story I think he's the best researcher out there on the subject their multiple ones Gilbertson and Gannon from where the original kind of inquirers into the study they wrote a book on Case Studies Forensic Science of forensic drowning. The interesting thing to me that I was totally unaware of is that you connect the smile the Smiley face killer thing that a lot of people kinda heard about and don't know kind of what to do with it. You've connected it to some of these same strange occult signaling Satanic Signaling that's going on and it is funny because ever since you mentioned it, I start seeing that smiley face in art in t shirts in all the. Rights slash wrong places, and I like how you're very careful. Again, you have this kind of investigators sensibility just the facts Ma'am in terms and you build your case slowly you don't jump to a lot of conclusions and even when we're gonNA talk about Croly and talk about the West. MEMPHIS. Three you know you're very, you're very careful to build your your case counselor. So let me just touch on the Christian thing is because cures I think the the catch that, and then I'm going to let it go. But there is this sense among a lot of people that if someone is Christian that they are th there. So agenda-driven and I'm guilty of accusing Christians of this because I think Christians. Not Accept Their culpability in some of this stuff and culpability in the sense that just how the average person processes this and really. In this day with the Catholic Church outed as systematic sexual abuse from the highest level directed from the pope you're gonNA. Tell me that this folds right into you know Jesus on the cross son of. God. Screw you and and further I mean what Croly is saying in in this is what this is the especially the reason I think we need to pull the Christian part about it is that one way to read. The croly narrative, the croly biography, and I think it's time for the wrong way but it's the way they keep doing it is. He was rebelling against just incredibly. Overbearing Christian father who really was kind of a Kooky anyone would say you know taking the Christian thing way to this Kooky extreme. No birthday parties no presents no Christmas you know all this cultish kind of stuff and that of course you know then we can pack it back into the psychology. You Know Oh you know, and then we never have to deal with the real stuff that's going on and I would maintain. Them will let you respond to it. Maybe I'll play a couple of clips from ED and and Rust is Dr them will will move on but that's the same kind of thing. But the rest what West Memphis three when you break that down, it's GONNA if people haven't heard your stuff before it's going to be stunning because you stack it's an it's just overwhelming but people are still going to process it as. Oh Man Satanic panic those Damn Christians are added again, they can't you know data add up so in general co-head in respond. I think that's fair I. Mean I'm glad I'm glad that you brought up the Catholic Church because that's the exemplar that entangled of what they believe Christianity even croly to WHO's he was part of the exclusive brethren by Darby who argue isn't even enough anti Christian so he's definitely within. This. Wide Rod tent of what's defined as Christianity but. That's very generalist kind of way to put it. I don't think Darby was a distant dispensationalist. They're all kinds of problems with his theology. People have written stuff that this some of these Christians, our. Christian leaders in different sex very comfortable with the Colt supposedly like Darby Anita research that more but also Joseph Smith the Guy who started the watchtower, the Jehovah's Witnesses there's all kinds of problems so. It's got. I think that you and I think that this actually happens often like you can. Look at the Gospel as a kind of caricature, and then say you're just gonNA throw that agenda on people I know what happens and that's fine. I don't even describe myself as A. As a kind of sectarian Christian, I really just a Bible believing. Christian. So I think the real basis of any. Proper definition of that faith would be to see what's in the gospels and what input is, in Paul, right Paul's writings, and that should be the basis not the church. The Catholic Church is hyper corrupt a main. The kind of things that have gone in there and the doctrines that are there and even cruelly himself. It's interesting. You bring curly he actually favored Catholicism you actually said that the real enemy where the Protestants and the Jews. So he had this kind of like a tolerance for it and even some of his religion that he adopted he took from. Orthodox Christianity. So his colt got. nonstick. Matt since from Orthodox Church and he absorbed a lot of Christian teachings and twisted it. But yeah, you're right. So Darby himself so. I think that these critiques are are comment they're they're fair but I think that they can be addressed. And that's you can look at me. You can look at me through whatever Lens you want. But if you WANNA look at the facts that I've written about in those boats, they're all fairly long they're often. They're almost none of my subjective opinions. They're really just reference points properly reference in my opinion and then you can take it as. As what you WANNA believe. CEO. Right. There were cool. But we're we're getting into epistemology like why do you believe what you believe Exhau- To End, I pulled up the interview I did with Ed and know I just. Rattled his his his chain but I'm glad I did I. DON'T I don't mind pushing people in that way. But what Ed said that really kind of set me off and I pushed him and he got really pissed off is he's like, why do you care what I believe? Why do you care what I believe in? It's like. You don't get it at that is the whole thing you're entering this realm you're entering this battlefield yes. I care what you believe just like when I hit Hugh Urban Dr Hugh Cuban from Ohio State University telling me about his book on Scientology and how it didn't matter that Crowley and Jack? Parsons were performing a ritual in the desert to bring forth the antichrist's through the Babylon and he said, Hey, it doesn't matter if there's any reality to it it's just matters. You know what they believed that is if Christians. Zone understand that it matters what they believe and they better be ready to defend what they believe or as you do separate that and say I would like to keep my personal belief, my relationship with God out of this and instead look at my hundred pages of footnotes. Look at all my documents look at all that and just take that on its own merit with is you know I again I'm not I don't care about Ed's and like love show and stuff it's just that lust thing I had is there on? Fantastic tremendous amount of information 'cause rusk got was saying and right from the beginning he was like no Alex you want me to approach this with just giving you the the facts, four satanic ritual abuse and I'm going to tell you about the victims I'm going to tell you about what we find when we go to these sites and what we observe in terms of the you know inverted Pentagram language all the stuff and let that kind of tell the story and and that's what I like. I mean we're all biased. We all have our own outlook. I mean I can't detach that from my books my personality way I believe about things. So I think people requiring. Total. Objectively is unattainable. So people like Oh say, Oh, you're biased. We'll everybody's biased age race education gender. Politics. So I think that that's fair. Did Really I think when you look at like I listened to left and right I don't really mind as long as they're really being honest. That's really what I wanted. They're being honest with the facts and that's really what I tried to have is an integrity towards. The reader or listener of my videos like this is just what eighth thought I don't do a lot of Dettori leising I. Really I mean unlike corporate media ear CNN or MSNBC and all this trash that shouldn't exist so. I don't mind defending I mean we can do a defensive Christianity like what you think the true Christianity is or what is I don't stand with. Some some of these people other people would call. Christian. Or what? What would be the foundations of that faith `nother show that's and I don't think it's our show. It's not the show that. To do because the show that we need to do is is on your books because you already totally get where I'm coming from and you picked up the trail immediately as you're a good. Attorney and you've got to saw through that but. What I think is interesting is. The link, the Path and the Damien echols thing is just fascinating to me, and we're GONNA approach it and tear it apart. So I've been on the trail of the croly thing and I am I have friends who are in the magical community if you will and I have friends that are. Trying to make sense of that in a way that isn't crazy that I don't think is evil that I don't think demonic. I'm not sure that really works at the end of the game at the end of the day in terms of my understanding of spirituality. But I respect that people have different ways of doing it and I don't think that everyone who who looks in that direction is you know damned or condemned or even doing it for evil purposes so. With that you know. I just WanNa get to the facts because I did this interview for my book with Guy Really like at formerly Alice and I did it went al and I started going into the croly test but I call it like odd is throughout Crawley, and when I get the apologists for Croly, start tearing him apart go how does that make any sense to you? This is exactly what he said. How does this make any sense to you? He did this he admitted to did alling little kids meet hit mid it to that he acknowledged that he had children present during his. Sex. Majer encouraged writing encourage it. So but there's all this apologists stuff and that's the test that immediately splits it but I'm kind of jumping ahead. 'CAUSE I. WanNa. Go back to. People don't really know does Tanya Form Borealis. He's in a he's in Europe is in Norway and I'm rattling off West. Memphis three and he's like. What's West Memphis three. So if you can't to sketch out the the big picture, west Memphis three and I think the other thing that I'd love to have you talked about and then I'm GonNa hit you with more questions on the details. 'cause they're fantastic is what happened to west Memphis three 'cause you know the the general impression is while they just found him innocent that. Right, right. So they're supposedly innocent. They were arrested for a crime they did not commit. These are the standard kind of PR axioms that you'll see in almost every. Article that is present the street, which there really aren't any. There's very few anti West Memphis three out there. But the true crime story really started in. May Fifth of nineteen ninety-three after three young boys. When disappeared there were eight years old right in line with Crawley's teachings on human sacrifice. In magic theory practice, they were years old it went they disappeared they were found the next day in a ditch in a little area called Robin Hood ills outside West Memphis west of Memphis Tennessee across the Mississippi. River. And they were to found later after a medical examination to been drowned, it were tied up in a very strange manner ankle to wrist one had bled out after his genitals had been removed. And so as a particularly graphic. Brutal crime there was blood all over the place is never admitted in court, but the luminol tests were taken and so there was blood all over that area. And there was an outcry trying to figure out who did this? There was a suspect that was mentioned by a probation officer by the name of Jerry driver. You said that this young man by the name of Damian eccles real name given name was Michael Hutchison was is born name, but he changed his name to stepfather's last name and took on the name Damian. Answer. So he was investigating is brought into the on according to the court the records that are on the police records US brought into the police office. He was questioned failed a polygraph test. He said if I talked to, my mom will tell you everything. You let me talk to my mom. So when talked his mom that he clammed up? But the investigating investigation continued. They didn't have enough evidence to arrest any of them until they brought in another young man, the new Jesse Miskelly on June third of nineteen ninety-three. Then confessed and implicated miracles Jason Baldwin. And all three were arrested they were tried separately. due to some evidence that was going to be put in a trial. And Twenty four jurors found both guilty. Daming Damien echols was over eighteen. He was given the capital punishment And the other two pretty much got life sentences. And then there was the probably the key lever in creating doubt in the public's mind was the involvement of an HBO documentary. There was really trilogy. The first one was titled Paradise Lost which came out in nineteen, ninety six, and then there were two others that I think it was two, thousand, one, maybe two, thousand four I can't remember the exact dates when those came out but there were three the cast doubt upon the guilt the first one was someone of objective. but the second one kind of one of the stepfathers by the name of buyers and then the third one pretty much implicated another man by the name of Terry. Hobbs created kind of a furor it it snowballed other people involved celebrities got involved money was raised Possibly they're saying that huge amount of money tend to twenty million dollars probably the best appellate attorney out there got involved in put pressure on. The state government through new laws that had been created about DNA testing. and. There was going to be a hearing and twenty eleven. I think in December to judge whether some of the DNA could be used but in August twenty eleven agreement was reached. And the three pled guilty. So they already had all been found guilty. Plead guilty again to first degree murder admitted on signed documents. You know they're adults now but through the best attorneys really available. That there was enough evidence to possibly convict them again, they went to court there ten years of probation they were let out. While professing innocence on something called Alford plea, which is a Supreme Court case a based on a Supreme Court case called Alford the North Carolina. And Which allows you to professor innocence publicly while pleading guilty. So they're basically guilty. They're still guilty and under probation until next year I asked you to keep it vanilla and man you really kept it Vanilla 'cause Lemme. LemMe Kinda pull you into the real stuff like anyone who goes and Google's west Memphis three. I'm not exaggerating the first five, I ten second ten, third ten, satanic panic satanic panic satanic panic. That's the only thing you hear about this case it doesn't have anything to do with the facts. It's all. And that's what's going to be so interesting as we dive into this, why did this become the kind of poster child for Satanic Panic, and why do we think that that that's not accidental it's it's just it. It can't be an all again, all the wrong people wind up lining up with this guy and flashing you know satanic signs and all the rest with this guy ends they mentz all kinds of stuff I, mean it's all over there. So why is it satanic panic? If the guy's a member of the OT awhile he's in jail while he's also just recently admitted to be part of a with specifically traced to crowly who wrote in his own riding vice that he was prosecuted for his love of the knowledge about struck early specifically. And it just Crawley's name POPs up bowlers. Naturally, what piqued my interest in this whole case? Isn't it? True? William that we have evidence of him like performing satanic ritual in a burning garage that he set on fire I mean, and then go ahead on that one. Well, that's true. I mean that's in that was original case they say that he was prosecuted for wearing black, but he was actually arrested before the events for kind of moonlighting I think in a abandoned trailer and then there was testimony of all kinds of weird stuff he was doing. And there was other statements in the court files which are included in my book about them hanging out at Stonehenge, the involvement Tommy just crazy stuff off the charts all off the charts and you do an amazing job in the film pause for a minute. Let me see I can pull that pull that up. Top human sacrifice. Correct. But? The prelude particular significance. So the prosecutor at trial headed photocopy of Alice cruelly magic in theory in practice on his desk. I. Know who he is I've read a little bit about him, but I've never read anything by him. Let me show you. Okay, I'll stop it there if I can. But I wanted to give people a little bit of a taste for the excellent movie that you put together. Tell us what's happening there with all that that you really feel for that kid I have to say I know they prep these. These defendants, but he looks so innocent and harmless but that's exactly the to put on about the deception is caught with an. Outrageous, lie there, right right. Yeah I. Mean They caught him in a line that he was writing like a secret script. I mean the the allegation is that he was obsessed with the occult right but denied all that. But while here's a jail, what's he doing? He's writing the secret script that has Jason Baldwin's name and Alastair early and Then he gets out. What's he do? He's right back writing books about magic with A. T and making all these very different interviews. He's quoting he's talking about the Moon White. He's talking about rituals twinsies tweeting about it. I mean, it's just incredible at people can actually be. Be, lead on to think that that's not involved in this case. So want to touch on two things I, WanNa hit on the deception thing in a minute because I think. If people aren't aware that that is part of the ethos that is built into this system of beliefs, which is that. I can lie to you. It's okay for me to lie to get my my end deception is in its title your book do you WanNa speak to that? Have you found that to be true? Absolutely I think they lie about all that stuff they live out their secret society associations about who their friends are about their signals real and not just like you mentioned within these groups. Oh. I think that not disclosing emission would it or will say ambition is the greatest form of lie so they admit to tell you all the stuff. That there's all kinds of weird associations. I mean there's some dark I've it's I mean. There's so much deception in this case that almost everything that's pro proffered by. echoes some things just nothing is really that honest. He said that he was sick that he was beaten in jail all the time that his teeth we're GONNA fall out. They had to take the deal because he was GONNA die? Piggies I just wanted to jump in for one second with a couple additional points that I wish I would have asked William but I didn't. So I'M GONNA try and get those in here and these come directly out of his Book Abomination Devil Worship In deception in the West Memphis three murders and it's really important for getting to the bottom of this. Question of whether Damien echols did these deeds these horrible evil deeds? Have to make the distinction because a lot of people don't get this. It doesn't speak to whether or not he should have been released. You know whether there were some technical. Requirements in the legal system that were met or whether any of that stuff that's separate from whether the guy did it but the guy did it I mean the interview he has in the book, the inner, the police interviews they did and these police interviews are tricky because police in these situations do some pretty. Now to me shady kind of thing like one of the things they do to people is they say, okay Who Do you imagine would have done this crime. So they they get him down this whole light but listen what he says I Damien confirmed that he liked to read books and one of his favourite writers was Church of Satan founder, Anton Levay, and the Satanic Bible now that again you know for the people who are apologised for Satan is in there. Okay. You know be able to read whatever you want. Sure you should be able to reboot ever you want but they asked him specific questions about the murder. and. They say, you know Damien again, what would you? How would you imagine it going down and he said, well, he figured that the killer new the kids in the woods and even ask them the come out to the woods. He stated that the boys were not big not smart and they could have been easy to control. He also felt that the killer would not have worried about screaming due to being in the woods and close the expressway in any said some important factual details. Damian said that the bodies of all the boys had been mutilated and one had been mutilated a lot more than the others. This is a fact that was not known to anyone except those at the crime scene because the police never released this information. He also said Steve Jones from the juvenile authority. Had told him about how the boys testicles had been caught off and that someone had urinated in their mouths Damian said that that could have been the reason why their bodies were placed in the water so that the urine could have been washed out. This is another critical piece of evidence because this information was never released. Steve Jones from the Juvenile Authority had no way of knowing that and couldn't have told the Damian only someone at the crime scene could have known that. So again, I'll leave it off there. 'cause I hate all this nasty gory true stuff. But again, PAC this back into the question of whether or not. This is a case of satanic panic. Okay back to the interview. In all kinds of crazy stuff that you look at the totality, it's just not. It's really hard for people to believe that. In real for like literal satanism that there's groups at networked people out there and I think that that's really the hardest part of addressing the West Memphis three big. You're absolutely right about that. You know one of the chapters I have in my book is an interview that I did this woman. Named Annika Lucas. And she's really a a lovely person and we connected with both like Yoga and she's a yoga teacher for incarcerated women in New York and she's got this. Transformation that she's going through in her life and she would have to because at six years old. She was sold by her mother. To Satanic Ritual Occult Abuse Network in Belgium, rival rex was that she associated with the Detroit thank exit. Well, she's careful about a who she names, but it's very clear that that is the group that had her because she mentioned and and that's fascinating too right. Because talk about history repeating itself out there was this big you know drain, the swamp and. This is this ring and you know as I tell people, anyone has any doubts. You still google photos kids in cages tied up. You know just all the most horrible horrible things you can see and her account is that she was going to be killed. She had been raped the like thousands of times six years old remember six years old by her mother. and and but the interesting thing I always learned people to is that if you WANNA take secular perspective on this, it doesn't work because what these people are doing and they will tell you what they're doing is they are trying to. One connect with some Evelyn force in this extended realm, and they're trying to connect with that force for a reason to bring in a certain energy into this realm, and that's why they connect with Allison Crowley and summit. It's nothing unique about Alister Crowley. It's just many people have chosen that at all costs they are so attached to this world and what they can get out of this world that any entity in that extended realm that. Connects offers that chance they'll do it and supplies. I I'm glad you brought up their case because it was totally network. It was covered up. There was all kinds of shenanigans that took place under the surface like the prosecutor got fired and there's an incredible. German. That traces just the people that were murdered around the Detroit case that new too much. It's like twenty five people like I knew too much. I'M GONNA kill me ends up dead. Another person says I got information on this run over by a car. It's incredible. It's like JFK in all the people who knew about that WHO ended up dead. It's incredible. The Detroit case if you don't think that that's network evil I'm sorry it just wrong because it went to the highest levels of that elites in Detroit Tro was known to leave Belgium was moving around Europe, so they don't even know the totality of what happened in the horror show. Like two of the kids. Because he was in jail and couldn't feed him in the Dungeon. In that. So that's a real problem like the can't people cannot connect to spiritual Yvonne I'm glad you brought that up because that's what these people do for curly was doing. If you read his Corpus and all the stuff, he's talking to entities traveling through the astral plane. He's got a loss and the wizard and Allah mantra working the drenches working Koren's on you know he's supposedly talking to all these people how litter I mean I it's hard to say him there but that's what a lot of these things are doing is summoning demons and that's US giving them information. That's what he's writing down. So I, think that magic that's yet in the real argument is like are these figments of your imagination or is there something outside? Of Your personality that people are perceiving right and I think in the MAG of you WanNa talk about the magical community. That's an argument. However, I don't know how cruelly could have written down or. Like a grey alien back in nineteen eighteen in. New. York after an all mantra working. So that is such a stretch, the imagination, and you still see this kind of reference alien extraterrestrial where one of their extra dimensions. So and their they see when people do Yagi or they do I ask there's always agreeing man they're talking to people. Have, these weird experiences. And that may be all the UFO. Phenomenon is is really people who are adding. Extra, you know extra dimensional events, not extraterrestrials and we go. I could talk about the children, the beast valet talking to mcmurtry all these other cats but Well. I think here's what I want to go with that and I. Don't know if we've maybe hammered on this enough or or maybe not. I can't tell but. There's this. There's this doublespeak going on, you know the cultural part of it. And I'm struggling I'd like you to talk more about the culture around satanism and a cultism, and I don't WanNA use those words in the way that they're usually used. You know I mean I had. Oxford. Christian. Scholar Richard Smalley how God became God? Super Great Guy Scholar religious scholar and remains a Christian but he'll point out to you that historically. Satan you know isn't in the pre Torah. Writings any kind of POPs in after Zoya Astor. In we have all these things of the reality were co creating reality I talked to blame I can't tell any near death experience people I talked I talked to a guy just the other day. Fantastic guy I have no doubt about his Christ consciousness experience because that's what happened to him he died is actually You went to kiss his girlfriend, the commuter train and the door closed on his coat alot. Dragged him under the train and he died and he saw Jesus and he had this incredible experience. I don't doubt that he had this incredible experience in this consciousness realm with Jesus but then I asked him, I said. You Know David. A lot of people I've talked to that have multiple near death experiences they sometimes say that. The. The Christ figure kind of gives way to an even greater in a higher God. You know there's higher cane. He goes I can't deny that that isn't true because I got a sense that there's more for me and stuff like that. I'm not trying to like. I'm not trying to kind of. preachy on on any that stuff I'm just trying that. What that opens up to me is the possibility that we need to consider. An unbelievably varied realm in this extended around, which is even more complicated than our realm and that. To be because, we don't know what these guys are doing. Exactly. I'm uncomfortable just saying demon of they wanted a demon I just don't think we know enough. We know it's evil. We know it's dark. And I'm just Kinda rambling here. So save although I think it's interesting because you can even look out of the biblical context of the these like demonic entities are all through kind of the global mythos through all of these legends and stuff like that that there's bad spirits almost every culture has some kind of. Reference to these kind of. Things are outside of themselves, not ghosts or something, but some kind of evil presence. So it's a commonality not just kind of in the Bible, word? The New Testament talks about Christ being tempted by Satan there's actually references to. you know Satan. Right there at end before in. Jerusalem. At the Last Supper with Judas Right Satan enters into Judas Nicos and betrays Chris so. But. Even there's even a reference to Satan in Isaiah. For example, which is the Old Testament. But yeah, before that maybe not so much but there's definitely even the mosaic is is fighting against it's interesting because in the Bible all mentions Moses contesting against the two magicians of the time in Pharaoh's Court Janice jamborees but they're not mentioned in the exodus or mosaic narrative. So Paul seem to have some reference to these two magicians and there are magicians in the Bible like Simon Magus and which it end door. So this kind of magical tradition is. A part of human civilization, a dark magic may be if you want to call it that. But you know so so something outside yourself like some demon I think extra entity or something like that. Isn't that hard to believe, and then if you WANNA say like on people who've had experience miracles near death experiences. You know there's varieties of religious experience just like that book sense. So I don't think it's outside of that Amine. is in happens whether it's within the. Christian tradition or not. Right. So we're kind of pushing this box. So we're we're kind of agreement that that were being kind of pushed in this box to either deny evil and when I say evil, you know, let's try and work towards a definition. This kind of soul crushing extra dimensional help in order to destroy someone's soul. That's evil. We can kind of drive that one the ground say okay, I don't know about. Striking. You know a wedding party in Yemen which I think is pretty bad. But who knows it has some geopolitical aim or something this? We can more clearly say, yeah, that's. Can't see any other way that that is an evil. So. then. What is the play in culture? Why do we have this this divide? Why do we have like we talked about the very beginning of the Neil degrasse Tyson who we really think is probably just completely oblivious. Just happy living in his materialistic world, and then you got the kind of. Hollywood you know what you've just explored extensively as like man we're we're way past you guys were. Using this, we're using the force. Right I well yeah. I mean look at Johnny Depp. He supposedly uses these entities to inform himself on all of his roles like he's fully involved in these in like. What would be called Eagle you wanted to find like. People. Ask Me why do you like urine an admire of grolier These seem to talk about him hit laudatory terms I. Don't call them the profit of evil. He thought he was a prophet of new a on. I believe is evil because all of his ideas are antithetical towards the treatment of. Society Really General. It's super selfish. You Li- like you said, moving over this theme of our conversation. Eli You manipulate the slaves shall serve Curly kind of like a classic of the worst sort. But I think the definite definite. The issue of evil is like but people are willing to do to their fellow man to get. Worldly benefits whether it's money sex fame. Kind of the standard, the standard sins, and then you can Kinda of counterpoise pose that at least an. Itching Christianity some at universal is like Christ is a servant, right so he's Ed, turn the other cheek and. You know there's these teachings here where you're not supposed to propagate trauma or hurt on somebody else. That's kind of like with turning the other cheek as you strike back and so it it Kinda lessons. You know whatever whenever harms or going out there too doesn't it doesn't. It doesn't engender that kind of. Kind of. Towards people people hurting each other so Know I can I can definitely see in curly himself is in. Really I mean it's interesting too about how many of these occultist really are Christ in Christian aiders whether it's a bird or croly or Hitler or some of these other people how they really deliberately counterpoise themselves against. The teaching of price. And I think there's a couple of interesting things I. Don't know if we can kinda smooth us out and hit all the points but there's there's one. Is. The Young Mrs in the crawling thing, and maybe you can pick up on it and elaborate on it but the the do what thou wilt. Ethos, which whatever you talked her croly apologised they jump on that you don't know what that means. You don't know what that really means. Is whole life is about that I mean look at his life look at the deeds you know the fruit but I guess related to that is is kind of this Sabotage and Frankish kind of we can't all be saint. So let's all be sinners and this kind of crowly I, want to do the most horrible, but then they twist it into again this Christian thing of it because that will in this twisted way bring about the next coming of Christ rights to speak to that at all. I think that you know said he got got power from transgression and I think that's very common theme within cultists or Satan or whatever however you want to call them so. and I think that the worst crimes are are you know it's an inversion? So Evidently it's their and cruelly, and it was funny like somebody asked Croly what if you have two people whose wills doing what they will would if they conflict would if their? Head over it and he didn't have an answer for that. So you can just see the wreckage of Crawley's life the ruined the lives that wrecked labs suicides. He would just It. was like an energy drain on almost all of his scarlet women branding him on the chest and then when he was done, they were done. They were not giving a m this spiritual energy that he wanted. Dan They just moved on. So I don't think that his life the apologised thinks that he lived in exemplary life I think they're deluding themselves. There's a lot of delusion in the croly followers and there's a lot of. Simplification there a lot of these people don't really the people who admire curly only saw him once I, which is as religion that not as brutal personality and the way he behaved toward others you know so. I. Don't think that is true. I think if they look at the truth of really what he did, and that was really one of the things that why I was inspired to write a book about cruelly is because of all of the. You know kind of expurgated or elements of his life that people just left out. They just call him a great man liberator of humanity and all this other stuff, but he was down. Outright Satan he admitted his much that wasp was Lucifer and you know the double of the Star Universe. So he just you just concealed and. Camouflaged it much better than maybe. Kind of you know person like living. So. William before we run out of time because I've Kinda babbled on about a loud my stuff for the important things about your work especially with Croly is you give the direct connections to present day culture like Timothy. Leary might be one that some people have known that for a while but some people don't obviously the music industry, the Hollywood industry, and this you know just admiration in this kind of blind devotion and you can only imagine the feedback we're going to get from this show me because there's a real croly defenders in their out to stop out you know anyone who says that well connections to? Important cultural figures in time and croly. mean. You can just go back through so many influential people whether it's Hubbard whether it's leary whether it's Jimmy Page Kenneth Anger who's associated with the Manson family I mean he literally lived with Bobby Booze Lay Bobby Beasley was in Lucifer rising in it's one element of the whole Corpus of works about Manson that you almost never hear about is that busily murdered Hinman was. Living with anger was in a movie with him who was also consider himself a warlock. It was also associated with so many other cultural events still alive still alive today believe it or not anchors been friends with Jack Parsons and and Marjorie camera all the way today, and also it's also an element of the elite because one of his great sponsors was j Paul, Getty Junior one of the richest men in the world who paid whenever anger wanted to take flights. He just got a ARP launch payment from the Getty family which tells you a lot about the elite and get used to get in do all kinds of weird rituals entombs and stuff. Like Really. If you really look past the curtain, these people they're much darker than you can imagine so. I think that that culture's very important in it's usually left out in these histories of these people they probably like I said, it's an expurgated her that selective history. So few we can go back to the very beginning of our talk where if you have a materialist. Darwin asked. you know person without a kind of a spiritual view. They just won't even look at these things as important markers upon character and how that character plays itself out in the real world they just won't even accept it. Then if you have the cult, they're deliberately keeping that out. So you have a, there's a real history history graphical problem because a lot of these people move into these into these characters in their understanding of what they're really doing because. There's Parties deliberately weather because of their own inherent biopsies or intentionally because they're occultist, which is to hide something keeping that out. So and that's really when you see these characters, how if you don't get all the facets of their character in like Hubbard was the source all the same kind of fake prophesy type stuff. how how, how toxic and dangerous Hubbard really wasn't scientology don't see that part of his connection to croly. You could probably you could literally have your soul raped by him and that whole organization. Kind of related to that took me a long time to come to this realization about the the easiest materialist you know there's meaning your biological robot. The whole top of your brain is just a big deceiver of reality to perpetrate, perpetrate your jeans. That's all it is. It's impossible for me to accept. That that isn't conspiracy also that that is point. Because what it just totally fits into the playbook and people don't realize that to do that doesn't require a completely orchestrated kind of thing. You just put the cheese in the maze where you want these little rats to run and they don't even know what they're doing but they're they're doing the bidding of someone who says hell? Yes. I want people to think that life is meaningless and to just be materialists and consumers that fits in perfectly. Well let me let me follow odd to that because it's like if you're an elitist, that's what you want your the people who were still your slave serving to believe there's no meaning don't make any changes. There's no action on your behalf I mean if you look at Darwin and really unpack the origin of species is really is a big race tracked and it has its own ideology outside of science it's about the most David favored races to. Struggle for survival, right? That's the subtext of it. Did you ever see Darwin is making the Colt Silence. So this kind of a cultism has been around for our pre croly just adapted and his doctors stoled it or lifted but It puts Darwin in a completely different lied about what his real objectives were and why the Royal Society wanted to promote those objectives, which is basically the queen of England. So justify their whole empire, right totally an. The top, the global environment. Sorry. No. No, that's tough I'm sorry. But especially, we did a bunch of shows on Wallace. You know who was the contemporary of? If you go back in the history books like fifty years the CO discoverers of evolution were Darwin and Wallace. Especially, if you go back seventy, two, hundred and Wallace's Erased out because Wallace comes to the conclusion that there's a higher order of consciousness to this, there's no getting around it, and in fact, I've had some scholars on your on a very convincing case that Darwin plagiarized Wallace's writings in order to. Get his get his theory because he didn't have the data wallace was in the field collecting just widely the data he stops on the clock asylums, which is great but it gets very narrow bit Wallace's you know he's the working man kind of thing. He's out there having to struggle and collect all these things I forget where he was but. Yeah anyways that's a surfer another time. Here's the other question. I wanted to get back. Really really dig into this one. What do you make of you? Know we see the Hollywood thing? And we like we get that that Johnny Depp is in it. He just looks like a tragic. Figured me. He just looks like somebody whose soul has been sucked out of them in on. So many people I know that's gonNA sound kind of church you to people but I don't I don't. You see that I mean, don't you see that in some of these people but other ones you feel like? Maybe, they're just being duped, and that's where you really feel sorry they're gone to Cardi's. You. Know Abramovich is cutting up the cake and isn't this cool and they don't understand what's at play or do you think they do? Well I. Mean I could probably analogize it to my life. They had just a naive view certain things. Very, Nice. View of American politics I. You know there's a lot more going on under the surface than you can imagine. It's probably the same Hollywood wanted to be famous or they wanted to be in the arts and they may not even know what it takes to get to the top and I think that Hollywood, for example, these recently I think you've got to be initiated to get to the top one way or another either into pedophilia or cultism or just something dark. So everybody knows something about somebody else you know and that's why like a guy like Weinstein was raping people for decades on the most the amount of people that come forward is probably just. You know tip of the iceberg for that guy. So there's something really creepy going on in Hollywood and I think a lot of those guys. If you really read about some of these stories is just I mean, if you have, you ever read crazy days and nights. To really good, it's really good website but they are leaking information from these guys that they're just. Monsters man a lot of these stars and celebrities and directors were. Child rapist then so I think that that's how the system kind of a lot of people who survived. So people don't survive in Hollywood the crack in they leave or they just are disillusioned but the ones that have been there forever Johnny Depp's a perfect example. If you look at this court gays that he's having with amber herds involvement, they ever recording of that guy just howling in pain like there's something about him that Yes rhyme and you can his Associated Association with echoes and he was one of the chief financial backers Gakhal's out along with Peter Jackson. So. do you know who Chris Knowles is? He writes a blog crystals in I I interviewed Chris a few weeks ago and I think he's like me he has some friends who you know we like and respect or cut in this magic community and we keep going what are you doing guys but he said it. So perfectly, he said. You know. If you, think you're talking to this demon or this entity. And they're gonNA do these fantastic things for you. What are you have to offer in return? and. I thought. Isn't that doesn't that just ring true on a kind of personal level? How do you think you're gonNA make that deal work you have nothing except her soul to give. That's what you will be asked to give at one point or another you know. Good Point. Good Point. Hey. Less last point and then I'll wrap it up I. Appreciate Push it right up to the ninety minutes Russ, diz Dr has a really interesting theory. It's going to sound completely wacky to a lot of people but I got a lot of reason to believe that he's on the right thing and that a lot of times when you hear about this sexual abuse of children pedophilia that it's not even so much about sexual abuse it's about traumatizing children in order to create this disassociate identity disorder. Because it is a direct link to making them vulnerable to spiritual attack and the crazy thing about that is that connects directly to stuff. We've learned about M. K. Ultra and that we were trying to weaponize that disassociate of identity disorder aspect because we learned that it's almost like technology it's a secret code and what do you think about that? Do you have any thoughts if your thank he's right I think he's right I that that's true. I mean I think that that's A very dark way. A lot of the stuff that happens in the Catholic church is to keep people in the Catholic Church. So they get traumatized right? They become helpless they become less less Active so to speak authoritative, so I think that that's that's definitely mean. Believable. Right think that that's what they're doing. They're deliberately traumatizing the kids as well. Yeah for sure. and. You see that in some of these cases, mcmartin and stuff, the kids are deliberately being traumatized or the finder's case. I mean, there's these they're all using the same techniques and the strange colts are running the whole show look at the finder's case man tariff. Will, you'll get into delivered talk traumatized nine eleven. Incredible It's traumatizing if you think the government did it or traumatizing, be think that some guy in a cave in Afghanistan did it. So, when you get into weaponized. Asian. Then you're at this that just the thought that someone is figured out that they can get a leg up by doing that is really scary especially in the six at realm yeah. Very scary and you know the trauma to starts and then the suggestion follows right? So you traumatized and then the suggestion and then you've opened up. Yet, and then you you're absolutely right. Then you have this kind of. Approach this technique that they know, right? It's a known. Skill, it becomes a skill and they develop that I mean this book you should have a O.`Neil Tom O'Neil as a guest that book chaos about Manson. uncovered information that these guys these jolly and West and. Greenberg were in communication with each other talking about creating hypnotized people traumatizing all the way back in the fifties and sixties, and they had to lie about these techniques say it's not possible because that was the was the cover on the truth that they literally ties people through traumatize ation stuff like that. If you look at Sir Hanser Han like I've talked to authors about that, he disappeared for two weeks they don't even know where he was. thinking. was in some kind of California was really crazy in the sixties always jokes anyway that's off topic, but it kind of is, is technique talking about somebody some of these wizards and? materialists like jolly and West you had his son kill as him and his wife in a frigging. assisted suicide, which is super dark. Knew that stuff. Okay. I was going to try and wrap it up but you kind of Arkansas. So I want you to I want you to close I want you to close that door because it brings it around full circle. You're talking about it and I love that you just kinda just the facts Ma'am but connect that what does that mean on a? Political. Level talk about local politics or national politics or geopolitically you know. I mean, what does that mean we are? Part of that, right we live here and we are. How do you process terrify? Well, it's terrifying like this book the shock doctrine they think that these political leaders all the way back to the overthrow by day duly elected guy and Chile Ah Pinochet that they have learned this technique of how to terrify populous where you don't even have to. Use Force because the psychological traumatize Asian. Is So strong that people will be terrified to do anything. And so I think that that. Is a horrible conclusion. Just the implication of that in the conclusion of that happening in other countries. Possibly even here if you remind war by Was Villa Louis and What's the camera Michael Aquino? Don't be surprised if these guys are using it on you, I mean, that's what's really scary is these niks. William I avoided in in all my shows even talking Matt Covid never brought it up. But. The trauma part. Is. Just unavoidable when you start putting together these cases in you're talking about Chile you know, and let's get everyone in the. And the Soccer Stadium and turn on the lights and keeping their for today's, and then let's just take two of mountain shoot him. That's all we have to do is just kill two of them and bring back the bodies. Now, everyone can go home. That's it. That's. The only killed in that whole who overthrew the only killed three thousand people considering was a huge country. It's not I mean compared it's a tragedy but to pacify the entire country, it's not that many people dead. So. William I it's been just awesome having you on especially this end part I hope people get an appreciation for just. Gosh, the depth of knowledge I almost feel like maybe we didn't we pulled around and Timothy Ron places, but I couldn't help it 'cause you just know so much and I wanted to pick and poke at so many different things tell folks how they can stay on top of this work where they can find you're going and keep up with your shows and keep up your books and maybe what's on the horizon coming up. Well I've been doing documentaries recently. So my documentaries can be found on video under William Ramsay five documentaries there, and then I kind of do a podcast William Ramsay investigates which you can get on itunes or spreaker anything like that I have a lot of old research into the West Memphis, three on my youtube channel which trying to kind of just more away from US less. But there's little videos there if you WANNA see my research going back with all these other characters at William Ramsay investigates and. You know three books that wrote about these different subject between find on Amazon or my website is William Ramsay Indus-? Gates. Dot Com if you want signed copies. And William Ramsay investigates. Just WanNa tell people again you it's it's up to date stuff. We've just been cut in this one little lane, but you're talking to all sorts of different interesting people and really digging in and that kind of attorney style get to the facts. Thanks like who are some of the guests that you've had on recently that you really excited to interview and who are some of the people you have coming up Well just like I I talked to you talked to Tom O'Neil about his book chaos. I highly recommend that book I talk to a really good broke about He said liberal if you WANNA talk about huge PSI ops, it's the. People's knows the symbol unease Liberation Army the book is revolutions end by Schreiber highly recommend that book because it was just one tiny little piece of this operation chaos were a fake leftist organization in my opinion and I think there authors opinions well was created to subvert the left and it was the Symbionese Liberation Army in this Guy Sink Jay. And I would highly recommend that book because it'll. It'll twist your ideas a highly recommend that interview. Yeah that was a great Reagan. Now Brad drivers is named highly record great writer, and then I also Lisa piece about RFK and Saran Saran about political SASSA nation. So you know I really definitely interested in pure politics so and I think that those books all back up their their premises in their positions I think that. surrogate answer was patsy and might had real something was going on with him. He was the subject of something really creepy. So. Those are some examples of trying. You know not everybody has asked You my interviews, but I think I've been very fortunate to get really good authors i. do read the books. So I definitely try to be an informed interviewer and not try to. Get anything just focused on the the context of the book and make people make their argument or why they. Have this position and and I think that I've had people from. I I'm not. I'm done with political parties. So I don't really have a partisan ax to grind and I. think that benefits talking to people. So I think in that regard, I am pleased with some of the interviews I've done recently for sure. Fantastic, it's It's been absolutely great hemion and I I hope people do. Check Out William Ramsay investigates. So thanks again it's great to talk with you. It's it's really good to be with. Somebody as well. Informed you. So it's been a delight for me. Thanks again, William Ramsay for joining me today on skip TCO. He is quite impressive in terms of his knowledge of this topic and his ability to dive deep with all the legal stuff. So it was really great having on the one question it up from this interview is where do you come down on Damien echols in the West Memphis three with regard particularly to? Satanic panic. Is He this poster boy. He's made out to be for satanic panic or was there enough satanic stuff going on in and around his life you know I, didn't bring up the thing with his mother but. His mother gave birth to him when she was fifteen years old and it's just such a dysfunctional you have to. You cannot go through this and not feel sorry for this kid Damien echols even though. You know. He did what he did, but you know his mother, his mother is into all this stuff in gets him into all this satanic stuff you know and that's never really that's all kind of washed away and obscured in this kind of Ocean of Oh it's all satanic panic witch-hunt craziness which. It's not in my opinion, but what's your opinion? This is supposed to be a question. So let me did up as a question. What do you think Satanic Panic? Yes. Are Now I realize it's GonNa be Kinda hard to answer that want since I came down pretty strong but but but it's kind of a hot button issue for me do let me know what you think stay with me for these future show's coming up I got a bunch of them I don't know how many get them all out, but they're common until next time. Take care. Bye for now.
Gabys Partner Mal Blum, Upsetting Art and Queer Baiting
"And I'm back with another season of my podcast. Lavar Burton reads. I'm reading stories by the best and brightest writing minds out care authors like Neil gaiman and can lou in K. Jemison and you get to experience a whole story thirty to forty five minutes so join join me for Lavar. Burton reads subscribed today. Just tap the picture on your screen or search Lavar Burton and asked me to your favorites szeswith swinging Hello my mouth and Raskin a writer director and overall KLUTZ. Hey I'm gabby abby done. I'm a writer by CON by central icon. Wink and a phone Gamer. Oh like you play games on your phone games on my phone. Which I didn't realize was kind of weird? Don't a lot of people do that I think so. Yeah like I have a favorite phone game. What is it called tune blast? It's just like a puzzle game but it's it's just mindless I think a lot. The people with anxiety just are mindlessly playing phone games. That's great. It's very soothing. Do you have a phone game. I've never ever replayed phone games really. I guess I played snake way back in the day. Oh sure but I I never gotten into it I had a brick phone and you could go to the mall and you could change out the cover of them. How does this have to games? It doesn't like talking about old phones you ever have a a t mobile sidekick. I'm not sure only cool kids had those okay. I wore mccalla flip phone. You ever have flip phone. Yeah Yeah one of those pink razors. Those were for cool kids too. I think I think ahead of pink phone so it probably was a razor but you could play on the brick phone. You could just play snake like all day if you wanted to yeah. I'm curious if I would like phone games. And if it's something I should introduce into my life or not. I am thinking about taking up knitting so that feels similar. Yeah keeping my hands. Busy knitting seems hard. Yeah my mom is in a knitting club. Now and it's one really improved her social life and to Seems incredibly difficult because she's making us a blanket but she's doing all these like elaborate designer within the blanket. It seems stressful. So I would just WanNa do like simple like the most simple stitch over and over and over again. Have you ever seen someone like knitting on the bus or the train I think so. They look peaceful. Yeah Houston it in fifth grade in class in class. What a Dork Doc? Just between us is a variety show filled with heartfelt advice ridiculous games and brutal honesty. I don't mean to imply that children who are dorks. No but they are car but also I don't think they're being doric is a bad thing. No no no not at all ends. Reclaim that word too yeah exactly dorks nerds. Geeks were Paul out here do they. Are they have different connotations. I think only dorks knit but let me know what the comments let me know. Little right in right in let us has no. Yeah right in. I don't know where you could. We don't have a po box or anything but just write us a handwritten letter take a photo of it. Email chalked talked on the idea of someone emailing us a handwritten letters so funny to me. We've got a great episode for you this week this week. We're going to be talking to musician. Russian mob lum and asking them some tough questions about their long distance relationship with me. That's right Gabby. Partner is going to be in the hot seat and and later. We'll be discussing queer. Baiting what is it why is it bad. How do we stop doing it? But I but team From who the fuck knows where guys tell me where you're from. It's part of the song. Fatima why did you not put where you're from. I don't know I'm really upset about it but it is a good question so I'll allow it. She wants to know. What do you do at art? That was written honor composed really well succeeds Lee dejected and discomforted. Oh so some background. She says I just finished a book that left me really sad but not in the ways a lot of other adult novels. Have I feel far more nauseous angsty. I'm exhausted uncomfortable and can't figure out if I really enjoyed reading it or if that even matters I learned a lot but I think it was written to make make us feel a little awful. Am I reacting this way because I'm a green baby adult and should I be consuming some art. That leaves me feeling a little sick. Is this the kind of content. I need to broaden my understanding manning and how do I know if I'm responding with a normal or desired level of anxiousness interesting so I think about this a lot I refuse to watch things things. Were read things where the intention is to make me sad. Yeah I just think that there is so much so much tragedy and sadness and and on Weei in real life. I don't need to consume content. That makes me feel that way as well now. The counter argument is that art should leave you feeling some kind of way and sometimes that way is sad and uncomfortable for instance like art about the Holocaust or Art about you know your own own introspection on your own racism or sexism or whatever So I think that or or art that's educating you about a problem in the world that you necessarily didn't know about or don't experience yourself so I think like there is a thing where I think we mistakenly believed that art is supposed to leave you feeling only positive emotions and I would argue argued that there is a place for art that leaves you feeling uncomfortable and changed and upset absolutely but what worries me about this question. Russian is the use of the word should. Yeah so like feeling like you need to be or should be consuming art. That makes you uncomfortable and I. I think that there's no in life other than like basic human decency right and if you're in a place where like reading that stuff like really fucks you up. Just don't do it right now. That's not necessarily going to be the case for the rest of your life and maybe there'll be times when you do want to explore that but if you feel like you're forcing yourself to consume things that leave leave you feeling nauseous and anxious break yet. Thrown a comic rains funner like a beach. Read you know. I think think I used to feel so much pressure to like read specific books because those are the books that matter but in reality you're just reading to enjoy reading and read whatever ever gives you the feeling that is what you are seeking. Yeah there's an overwhelming amount of art narratives made about suffering though like for instance there's like like a million slave movies but not that many movies that are just like positive portrayals of of black people living their lives or you know every movie is like a gay bashing gnashing or like one of the lesbians dies or whatever And there's not that many that are just like a positive like ROM com about two girls or whatever I think like because there's so so much tragedy porn out there it you feel like the only representation you're gonNA get watching and reading this stuff that is upsetting to you And I think I would challenge you you to seek out or search for things that aren't necessarily The first thing that comes up when you google book about this subject or like book about this type of person or You know I think that you unfortunately might have to dig deeper to find the representation that you're looking for And you know not go with the stuff that is immediately recommended or that the stuff that's getting The praise or whatever I think sci-fi does a really good job of making us think about important themes teams and issues and humanity without making us feel so like hollowed out with tragedy. Like it's like they're kind of like parables like so very much obviously be about racism. But it's not it's not the same thing as as reading a book about slavery and you know yeah and so I think think that I just think be kind to yourself and I think that like if this just isn't what's driving with you right now and it's just not making you feel good just don't consume it. Yeah I know you need to be aware of the world where of history and things that you need to read the news and I think that it's helpful to consume some. I'm confident about like you know what's going on with indigenous people in America and Australia. Yeah conscious of that and don't live in a bubble but but if you're doing something for pleasure which is maybe watching a movie or reading then you don't need to also feel terrible. ooh Yeah I mean. I consume a lot of true crime so that is at odds but part of me a part of me is like I it helps hopes me feel better. It helps me feel more in control of the world in some way because I'm convincing myself that like once. I know everything bad that could happen then. I'll be safe and also I enjoy like the mystery of some of it but like I have had to cut myself off because it's hard to sleep. Well I listened true crime all the time and it doesn't make me feel bad. Had I find interesting and I don't get freaked out and I don't get scared and I mean that's just my reaction. I get out a little but as soon as there's an episode. That's it's about animals. I I can listen to this. Yeah don't listen to it. Well that's why trigger warnings are so important too because it lets you. It doesn't make if you stay away from stuff it just lets you be prepared for what you're going to be hearing and it just lets you have consent and be able to decide and consent. Went to how you're going to feel. I think there's a really important divide that Fatima brings up about triggering content verses like being triggered because I think that word has has been thrown around and used so loosely and it's actually a psychological term and it's not just feeling offended or feeling uncomfortable. It's like literally experiencing reoccurrences dances of PTSD and like reoccurrences of trauma. That is much deeper than the way that it's used now where they're just like. Oh you didn't like it it and then it's not that you didn't like something that you were offended by something. It's that you literally are experiencing a mental like psychological will effect from this thing and so I think like we have to be kinder about that and we end the way that it's been used in turned into in greater raider like I in in Greater Society and like made fun of is so damaging for people who actually experience it. Yeah and I think that when she says is. Is this the kind of content. I need to broaden my understanding. I think you can figure out what works for you in terms of consuming that type of content. So like for me. I wouldn't as I said like I would much rather read articles or the news about things that are upsetting. Yeah versus a four hundred page novel about it. Yeah so I think that like you can still learn and you can. And or I. I often for me podcasts. Like I said I could. I could listen to that to learn rather than watching rather than watching. Yeah maybe you're someone who like would rather watch than read that upsetting stuff. So I think I think different mediums hit people different ways And so kind of figure out like what what is like stirs up the most in you and then maybe avoid it in that medium and in kind of like consuming another one yen in space it out Space it out. Don't don't read just a bunch of setting things in a row right and if you can tell that the only purpose of the piece is to upset you know I. I think that the best content leaves you with Hope or leaves you with like this narrative content. Yeah or like let's so you think deeper about something and just view in despair that that's like obviously doesn't apply to memoirs and people's lived experiences but in terms of of like fiction fiction. I think that's a really easy trick. And I think it's the easiest thing to do as a creator and I think it takes much more talent talent to take you to that place of despair. Men successfully take you out of it. Yeah I just keep thinking about the beginning of the movie up and how tricked I. I felt I never thought I don't WanNa see it. I don't feel like crying exactly. Yeah I mean I don't like stuff about breakups which is why I don't WanNa see a marriage story. One of the reasons like or Blue Valentine that movie with Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams. I'm just not for me. No thank you. I don't like stuff where like parents and children have like where like like the parent dies or something. The child like. I don't like anything with like MOMS. And dads and kids like but then sometimes I can prepare myself and then get into it. Yeah but I just think that like for whatever reason right now that stuff is like really weighing on you take a break. Yeah don't feel like there's any should surrounding surrounding this stuff. Yeah other than like having a basic understanding of the world around you and other people's experiences and people can make art like art doesn't necessarily surly again have to leave you feeling great. That's not the point of art. The point is is just evoke something but you can consent and figure out what your what you oh actually want to be consuming right. What kind of art you want? Yeah you noses. Some people do like to leave feeling despair or they want music that that makes them cry or they want you know like I don't even really like slow songs. The Downer man. I WanNa feel good. Oh Wow and you know I think think sometimes it's good to read stuff that teaches you something so I don't think cut it out entirely but I do think space it out on the review of it. You know like read read like summaries when people. Don't I WANNA see the horror movie but they just WanNa read Tunisia page of it. I did it all the time for. What was that? That crazy one midsummer midsummer. I didn't want to see that movie but I wanted to know what happens about it. It's less scary for you. Just read the Wikipedia Bait and so then I knew everyone was talking about. I knew what had happened and I was still involved the conversation but I didn't see it very good wikipedia so it's really individuals individual take the should out of it and and figure out what works for you. 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We're trapping new episode and it exciting personal facts every Tuesday. Don't miss a single one. Subscribe to unladylike now. Wherever you get your podcasts? Welcome back to just between us. It's time for the juiciest. Most scandalous controversial official segment. Nunes all podcast. Tough question. Today we have musician Malboum. Hello Hello and Also my partner so thanks for being available to come on the show. You're very welcome. You're welcome for me being available in general. Yes that's true. So how did this happen to Gabby beg you to be on. Did you beg to be on. I beg to Bianca's I just I missed you so much else. Ah I'm going to be in L.. A. On bad with money and Gabby was like not only was Gabby like you should be on just between us but Gabby is like you should have your manager. Hit Up stitcher and come on other podcasts. Well you're you're a great way to promote and I think people don't think that enough So we are in you mentioned you being in. La We are in a long distance. Relationship can ship Sharar. How's that going for you? Love it for you. I don't I it's fine in some ways because I like having my I alone time but I also would like that alone time to be like one evening a week versus like three weeks stretches. You know what I mean and when you're together then it becomes like it's either like we're not together at all or we are living together. Yeah Yeah Yeah so take us back. How did this all start? Wow Okay so first of all let let me say that. A Lotta Times and you in particular are me Allison Ralston Rask and Allison Beth. Raskin believe that you know immediately if you like someone if you're attracted to them so you know immediately if you're attracted to them and then and then then like it doesn't really change. I think you can become unattractive as well. I thought you know you either. Feel that thing or you don't but other other. Extenuating circumstances can change feel apparently. So what you're saying is you were not attracted to Gaby at first visit. No no I mean like only talking about physically. Oh physically like I could tell. That gabby was attractive so I was not my point remains true. Why wasn't like Hoti? You know I was like I can tell that person's attractive give but I it didn't even cross my mind like let's Gabby was in my music video and I thought everybody at the video shoot was hot. Yeah Twenty twenty any sixteen and I got to do it by our mutual friends so I had never met you before I had never met you right and then we met at that music video shoot and I thought you were so cute Carlos rubbing rumor and I was very. I thought you were so cute. I was like Oh God I was very into it and the way that Gabby expressed that was by being like follow me on twitter and I was like okay and then I went to your twitter and I was like why do you have one hundred thousand followers like what do you do. And you're like I don't know like Youtube stuff up. Don't worry about it and I was like who the Spurs in. Why is she being so weird? I was very yeah. It was like putting on this persona of like I'm a very famous millennial millennial party line at that point in time. Yeah up to say that all the time. Yeah and you for some reason. You didn't find that attractive right. I I didn't understand that. That was her hitting on me. Yeah well I think that bragging works for some and not for others I was also it was like a persona that I think over. So this is that was twenty sixteen and then we were friends for like three years and I think it was a persona that you had to get pass the real person which took a y well there was another thing. Are we leaving out. Okay no so in case you didn't in case I wasn't sure that Gabby was hitting on me which I wasn't Gabby was like lend me maybe drink a bottle of And make it very clear to you. When was this so we you were so then like two days later we were at a camp which is a camp for Queer people and adults? Clear dolts yes and staff asked what guests your guest. Yeah Mal was there as a musician. Performer because Mousa a musician and I was there to do comedy and we were both so like everyone. There is an adult. But there's also like counselors or staff I understand and so we were some people think it's like kids but we were staff there. Her and Mal was there and I was like. I'm GonNa hit on now and I but I was too nervous And so I and also I. I was nervous because it was my first time in a exclusively queer space so I had never for those of you listening like it can be very overwhelming for you to suddenly be around the people who are like you and who maybe know more about being queer than you and so you get really insecure and you start to feel really like am I enough or like I I mean you feel very affirmed but you also feel like Oh my God. Everyone here is GonNa think I'm a fraud. which is how I felt and normally I'm very confident person so I got not really scared that everyone there was going to be like look at this baby? Gay Look at this fraud so I in response to that. I did a very healthy thing. which is I drank entire the bottle of Jack Daniels by itself then? Oh yeah you're not dead. We kill oh I was dead the next day so was it like act. act like a bottle a bottle you would get at a liquor store. I did not know that you had drink that much. Like you were like definitely like doing the drunk girl thing but like it. You weren't incapacitated Acetate in any way I would be dead literally I. The next day was the worst hangover ever ever had in my life. It was like it lasted two days. It was awful so I was wasted and I saw Mao and I was like now is the time to absolutely try to make this happen and so I went up to for them and I was just like what did I know. I kind of remember but I've heard it told me. Legend I. Mal was is intro very gently like I'm not interested. No I tried to do this thing. y'All ever do this thing when somebody is a kidding on you to party I was not drinking king that night. And you're trying to be like okay and you're like well I'm GonNa go get a drink like I'll catch up with you later. He followed you. I'M GONNA go get some water. No catch up with you later. And she took that to mean like. Oh they're gonNA get me water and she asked our mutual friend to like. Oh help me find mouth. They went to get water and I was like. Oh no baby. Yeah so I also was like I said to you directly. I'm hitting on you. You Idiot Asshole asshole. Yes that was after. You found me and you you hit me on the army. Said I'm hitting on you asshole and I was like I know I'm kind of interested in somebody else. Yes ooh and so painful painful. I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't remember it as I wanNA lack out testing a love story for the ages so bad and then like a bunch of other stupid but things happen like I like mal is a transient binary person and so I went to like another like I was like Femina went to another emperors and it was like. Oh we do all these things for boys and they don't even care right now like just like what I'm talking about like drunk. Woo girl to the extreme stream. That was a funny one. Though 'cause I was like across the room and you could tell you like trying to get me to hear it and I didn't hear it and you're like right now and I was like what and you're like you don't care about it. It and I was like what and you're like. Yeah like just next level drunk girl Anyway we're not love at first sight. No who is this person. Yeah no it was not going to have a problem that she's my music video. cushy seems like a total mass a total and so then I then I the next day I I like kind of avoided you the rest of the time because I was like. Oh my God this is so bad bad so then we. We became friends. Your friends for like four years. Yeah we will. How did that happen for you? Malik what how did you let her into your life. Well I don't have very good boundaries stories in general so that that's not a deal breaker. You know it's like okay. Someone is a drunk and messy night. Like that's fine like she still gabby. She's still charming. You know I was like you know wasn't wasn't like a love connection but I was like. Wow this person's ridiculous you know like and then I think through like yeah just having to work together on stuff if You know the next time I hung out with Gabby was like sober and like you know. She's just lovely and there were little things buddies. Yeah yeah there were a little things things where I remember incidents I had crushing the whole time. Nice but I remember the first time I've heard this but I remembered this instance these instruments. I thought we were friends. And they're like. Oh No I was scheming and I was like that's cool great. I wish my friend okay. relatable problem to have but I wasn't. I wasn't scheming I was just like you know when you're like a crush on your friend or whatever I was dating other people and things like that and I but I always remembered like there would always always be at least like one moment where like you and I would talk for a second or you and I would go up to the bar or something and I'd be like and like I think I was like slowly not wearing you down but you you were like you were like. Oh this cool I remember little moments where I was like great. I've convinced model. I'm cool now. Don't talk to them the rest of the night. 'cause you'll ruin it. No you know what it is is once I I want. I started to get to know you beyond the like Persona I was like Oh let because I feel like maybe because you were nervous or something you were really going like. You're putting I like your. I'm very famous millennial in like yeah there were a lot of laws and once I got in no you like actual Gabby Iras like persons like so down to earth and so sweet and very funny and smart and so I was like we're friends. When when did you start to develop romantic feelings for her? I would say when you're dating your partner. I think sky. I had a couple of moments where I was like. Well I I think I was like. That's not that's not someone I would. I would pick for Gabby which I feel that way about a lot of friends. That's where I'm like. You know you have your your dream person for your friends Is that a relatable thing. Yeah yeah well. That's not the person I would I would pick for Gabby Yeah and and I think that was part of the start of it and then I was like who would I pick for Gabby and then Yeah I think there were a couple moments like you said where we just talked one on one and like I remember that time at the bar we were out with our friends and like me and you went up to the bargain other drinking. We're just talking about like the bachelor. Yeah but I was like I really. I wish everyone would leave. And just mean Gabby could hang out and then I was like What that so I think I think that was sort of there were moments and then Gabby when she was with somebody else obviously everybody knows gabby super non monogamous? Yes has it's been kind of So she when she was with someone else asked me to go on a date with her. And I had this whole thing neurotic person so I was like. I don't really like Gabby partner and so I think I do ever crush could have a crush on Gabby but is it bad nominating etiquette. If I'm not really like into you her primary partner and does that mean it was like this whole little 'cause you're also nominated moments right. Yes but like highly neurotic like you're you were like. Yeah you're like if everything if I don't like her primary partner then I shouldn't go on a date with her because then I'll have have to maybe spend time with this person. I don't like no no no. That's not why it was more like just the ethics of it because I feel like if you're coming into a relationship as a third party you're like a really. You should be rooting for them. You shouldn't be like trying to like break. THEM UP Yacht. It should respect the relationship the relationship. Yeah and then there were every so often I would like starting in. I would say January of Twenty nineteen every so often I would text. You wouldn't be like we're GONNA make out some day. I'm coming for you going for you. You thought that I was a bit you would constantly be like. I'll believe it when I see it. I was like Shirt Abbey. Yeah you thought I was joking which happens a lot. I think I'm so forward that people think I'm joking so like and then like there were kind of a professional a comedian so I understand why people would think you're joking. Well I mean if I'm saying I'M GONNA come for you and I'm attracted you and I wanna make out with you. I'm not kidding. So so everyone let it be known if Debbie and I think I go like well it'll happen or like I'm not very like I don't care about rejection so I was like it'll happen hurt won't then I went to break up in March and then I started. I knew we were going to see each other in June and so I started text new more and more being like. What's up June fourth? We're GONNA make data coming like specific date and time that approach work for you. That gets you hot and bothered in a way. Hey I mean I honestly thought it was a bit. I was like sure what are the tax was even like this. Is June fourth. Mind you I want to like get ready. Happy Independence pending. Stay to you in June fourth for July fourth which I just thought was part of the book I'm stupid and And then I told a bunch of friends to that I was going to make out with you so then I posted a picture of mal at camp and literally like three different people message for me to be like. Did you look up with them yet. What's going on and my sister texted me? May the odds be ever in your favor so then I felt like Oh my God. I've talked about this so much like I built this up so much. What was it like when it finally happened horrible? I'm so fucking neurotic I so we got. I got to camp that night and then I talked to you for a second and then you're like I'm going to go up to my room and so you end up to your room and I assumed I was like okay so I'm going to give it ten minutes and I'm GONNA follow. Follow him up there. Have you noticed this about the weirdest thing I've ever because I am so filled with so self loathing and self doubt like at every possible moment that I've never met somebody with such secure attachment and high self esteem. Like she just rejection. Just isn't a problem for her romantically. I would say romantically. It's not sure so I came to your door and you were like oh hey and I was like it was like hi. I'm here to make out well no to tell the story that way. Because it's like how you would read it in the smell because then you tell me the story now then I paste around your room for like half. What actually happened is she came in? She made a comment about the room. She started pacing around and talking to me about her life and I was just like sure whatever talking to her. I was sitting in my bed and she was just pacing walking back and forth talking about like I don't even remember what and then at one point she stopped and was like. Can I get into your bed mouth like sure what I said actually was on one. Can she said okay. What's the condition? This is is kind of me but I said on the condition that you ask me one question about myself and then she got in the bed and do you want to know what the question was so music dot com. What's that about and those are romance was born and then we made out? Yeah then you answered And then we made out and then I went back to my room. She walked cool. I was like weird. Turn with my friend. Yeah you just kind of like the person that was so weird so then you spend a few days together. 'cause you're a camera and then it becomes a thing. Yeah but like. How do you make that decision to go from? Like when you're in the same place you hook up to being in an actual long distance relationship I think we both were like. Oh we're just GONNA hook up at Camp but then you came back with me after Cam okay back with her. Yeah you going to be in La Anyway. But I. I canceled my hotel and I stayed with her. Yeah but you mean later on like we're hoping abolution happened because that's a big. I mean it's one thing to commit to date anyone but another thing to be like this is so specially meaningful than like even though we're literally across the country from each other. Let's give this ago. Well I think I'm an interesting case because I'm not typical in my dating history or how I date and I travel a lot anyway. So it's like even if I was in the same city as someone there'd be weeks where I'm on torn. I don't get to see them but also for a long time I was just dating the people who because my own history. I'm just I was like attracted to people that would push boundaries are like wearing kind to me or You know some who are. We're just like downright abusive. And so I think for me. I need a lot of space when I first started dating somebody. 'cause I'm very tentative and I think just getting to know Gabby and her being very considerate and kind and just like a very. I don't know I can't I can't explain it but but it just feels different markedly different and I feel more available for things than I have before this. You said that you'll put up a typically you put up a boundary with someone and then they take that as a challenge oof fun a challenge or they'll be like you'll be like hey I don't feel comfortable with this particular cularly intimate thing so quickly and then the person will be like personally offended or like be really upset and cry or be like I I need this from you and push push push push push or or they'll be like sure. Yeah no problem but then just do what they want anyway. Yeah I yeah so there. There was this layer of like you protecting yourself and then you kind of would do that to me. And I'd be like okay and then like really mean it and be like. Yeah sure no problem like whatever you need six months and it's like I love you. I says texting our friends and I was like truly the greatest like four year con. I've pulled off is taking someone who did not like me at first and making them love me me. Like 'cause like also people would say like your commitment phobic but then like we're seven months in and it's like fully committed and it just because you needed to feel l. safe and comfortable but it's funny that like Two years ago our mutual friends were like. Oh Oh you know Gabby to. Oh isn't she. So great and Malas like well. She's annoying. I did say that and I regret it. We've got undertake. Multiple people have message mal after US dating to be like well the tide center. But I think we both didn't realize how compatible it would be where you need these certain boundaries. or You are okay like you know taking a couple of weeks where you like need to sort of do stuff for yourself or whatever in terms of long distance and I am like okay. Yeah I hope that your stuff is you are getting your needs met I am I think I was. I think. Because you said you were a commitment phobic. I was like didn't really have high hopes like I was like this'll go on as long as it goes on. But then after I realized that you were thinking of me you were thinking of the future. You were like suddenly you. You allow a switch flipped where you actually realized that I wasn't lying to you and I was actually gleich totally fine with your boundaries. Then you were like. Oh Oh I don't need these anymore. And the guy don't need to protect myself anymore would have fun psychological test me. I know I'm the only one who's ever passed. So Oh crazy. So do you guys talk about about the future and like moving and stuff like that or when does that kind of thing come into play. This is where the tough question star in the first time I met you. I was like I heard. You'RE GONNA have some tough questions. Let's do this and it's time finally well so I I'm lucky not enough to have like I would say other than twice going to see you. I've in New York. I've had been able to secure work in New York where they've paid for the flights so I a lot of times I get to spend time and I have a flexible schedule in terms of work and I get to like book things in New York and then go to New York so like one with long distance. It helps helps that were in cities where each of us could do something there and also that we both are in entertainment though not in the same field which is amazing. 'cause there's no competition but that like we both are able to travel and see each other. I think with other people in Long Distance. It's probably much harder. It's probably he like much much more. Costly you know Mao has mouse. Bedroom is horrible. Mix Babe so you you live in a closet. Yes so everyone listening to this podcast in New York is like and what of it I live in I live in. Why why been there for like nine years same roommates so but it is very small? Common Law married exactly to date and Martin very to date in Mars ars but yes so for a while I was like I have to get a hotel when I come to New York and that was kind of a lot of money and now I don't know what what happened malice like now. I'm going for two weeks and I'm like GonNa just stay in your bed and I was like what happened and I was like I think I have Stockholm Syndrome. Like I don't know my standards have changed by like a set amount of time where you make sure you see each other only really in like three weeks but then one time. It was a month which saw that really sucked but to answer your question. Alison I think at some point. It's hard because like right now. It's sort of up in the air with both of US career. Wise like what's going to happen what's going to happen but I think eventually like I duNno. Now I think it would be cool to like have a place together at some point or or you know we I have a friend. I have some friends that you know. They have ablaze New York. They have they sublet but not of the year. Maybe by coastal dream baby yeah maybe bi coastal but also you know there's with in terms of you living somewhere. It's interesting moneywise because two weeks of March April so far month. You're you're gone. You're on tour so it's like you know. This is where I'm supposed to promote my headlined dates that we just please. He's finally met Malboum Dot Com. But I just mean like your job is such that year. I'm gone whoever my partner is already used to that so probably wasn't honest. Big of an adjustment for you to go into a long distance relationship and dated other people long distance before not this long and not this far but I mean I think for a while it helped me like in the beginning went to have that space feel more comfortable it does sort of get to a point where it sucks. Yeah and you're like I just WanNa be I wish we could. It's a lot of face timing alison. I'm not GonNa let you facetime and also being on speaker phone with you in the van with your bandmates like hey guys. Hello everyone one and like trying to work schedules around like trying to be like okay. So you're going to be at south by so could I go to Austin like it's it's a lot of legit I have like a day off in L. A.. On this tour. I have like a note like in my phone. That's dates that were gonna be you know sharing our google. Calendars commend dates. That I of our rules right and then like dates that you're going to be somewhere and could I go there where you're going to be like for a while. We met up in like twice. We met up in D. C. twice you map in which I was like oh DC and Philly the Paris of the US just so the city's love so do that in both directions audience. No Yeah Yeah. Yeah I mean it's like it's like a lot of logistics which I think if you live in the same city and you date you. Just take that for granted. They're just there. Do you ever worry. About what the reality will be like if you guys are in the same place long-term because when you're visiting somebody it's like hard to. Yeah it's like you're giving them all of your attention and it's sort of like an extended honeymoon phase and versus the reality of day to day life. Yeah it is. I mean we're together for like two weeks or three weeks at a time. Yeah 'cause I was like Oh. La For like three and a half weeks were like So it is weird because we go we go. Oh into living together every time we're together we're living together and we're still both working though. Yeah but it is different than like the you know more normative just like we live in the same place and we have nine to five jobs and right not like. We're splitting the bills. are that kind of stuff yet. Yeah I mean we've talked about what what we would do like what kind of you know. DO WE WANNA move. 'cause I don't WanNa live in New York City so like you know. Do we move you and I out to like a cabin somewhere. I dream mm-hmm. I WANNA live in a cabin in the woods like then I'm like oh I guess I gotta be around other transpeople for my self esteem. But then I'm like well maybe I'll just just you just need. Gabby that'll be fine onto. But then we went to. We went to a restaurant up in peekskill and like just to see if we liked peekskill and our waiter was trans. So Oh no and I was like. Are there other trans people here and they were like. Yeah there's at least one and she has dinner parties. That's the best response possible astle. Yeah I mean it felt like it felt like okay. Maybe there's queer community in these places that were not thinking there would be no but I mean but it also is like you know gabby obvious got stuff up in the air and she doesn't know where she's going to have to be based either so. It's like you don't really know where anyone has to be visit causing anxiety to not know that stuff or are you guys guys both pretty good at just doing day to day. Base level is just like a high level of anxiety fear of the world and so an oddly. This has caused me me the least anxiety might their business like seems like your relationship with Gaby's pretty calm and I was like yeah feels pretty calm. She's like that's not a word I've ever heard you use to describe any of your relationships and I was like well. You used it but yeah I mean you have said to me and you would think that. Because we're a long distance distance it would be way more anxiety but e you album feel like Less anxious obsessive. Yes yes yes I have some obsessive tendencies and so in the past with more. Sometimes I think with more unavailable people or people who have more or like highs or lows or like like sort of a radical mood stuff. I can feel very on edge and I can or especially like rejection stuff like I can feel very like obsessive fix eighty on a person and I thought that's what love was. Apparently not I know is that crazy and then and then with May. I think you're nervous. 'cause you're like why don't I feel anxious. Why don't I feel obsessive like why don't those were butterflies and I was like? Why don't I feel that way and then there was like this is just your confusing adrenaline with love? And then we talked about. It was very sweet. I hope you don't mind me saying that you were like. I don't think I've been loved loved before so and I said yes. Oh that's horrifying. Why what's sad it kind of sad but it made me feel good? I think I I haven't fully trusted did someone I've dated since I was like in high school but yeah I've loved people. Yeah but it's a different thing than the Adrenalin of I hope but oh my God I have to do everything right. Oh my God I have to. I have to like be constantly attentive. I have you know this thing. Put out fires all the time. You're always ready to you. Think ain't gonNA fight like you're always ready for me to like be mad at me mad at you. And then I'm never mattie you yeah and then there was like a thing where you were like Mike. I'm like I'm not mad at you and also if someone's mad at you for this thing that's fucked up. Yeah that was really romantic. Actually no really really really our because I'm constantly like are you mad at Marymount at me and it's like just like this horrible learned tick sort of and and Gabby was like I'm not and just so you know for future if anyone is mad at you for that thing. That's not okay. I was like. That's so romantic. So who said I love you I I did I. I sent a letter. Yes gary meal of voter letter sweet And then that was in October. And then you didn't say and then you didn't say anything till like like end of November or something and I look I gotta do it in like a good spot an oh. This is a whole thing like nothing can happen unless there's like pomp and circumstance. I'm Stan pageantry you love pageantry and you love like Like it it it it needs to be when I was like asking me to be their girlfriend like they couldn't just do it like when we were in like cavern when we were at dinner something they had to take me up to a lookout point asked me to be their girlfriend and I was like there's a lot of like like flare like and you just need a lot of like you know. They're a performer. Data like this. It's like you need it to be like you keping being like this isn't special enough now if you're together special yeah exactly. That's really nice. Should have done it on the podcast. Show Oh you can propose on the podcast. Are we getting married so I have one final tough question hit me. Would you like liked to play hypothetical. I've been looking for to it since I heard that I was gonNA get booked on. This is my favorite part of the podcast notebook. Baby that's fine nine. Everyone's favorite part yes. Yeah it's time for America's favorite game show where I give you guys hypothetical situations you tell me what you would do in those situations. Then we talk about it and I decide. WHO's right our first game? America's favorite game show. Would you stay with this cheater. Your significant other five years finds out. They're dead spouse isn't actually dead and was just lost at sea for awhile so technically they've been married to someone else the whole time when you ask. If they're shocked to find out their spouses still alive they reply. Oh I knew they were alive. I can't always tell if someone is still alive. Why don't you stay with his cheater? Yeah Holy Shit so they just not why did they faked her own death in debt. They were in a shipwreck in the restraint on an island. Oh my God. We is the scenario that they'd like to get back together with the with the spouse no no their spouses just reappeared right. And you're finding out that your partner knew that their spouse who was presumed dead was actually alive and the was not looking. Yeah okay. That was my next question. The partner didn't tell anyone didn't try to look for for them and try to alert. The police do a search party police. And you're like I just have this feeling in my gut there still alive but yeah so. They didn't know they were on island. They didn't know where they were but they were still alive. Wow this is mind blowing. Okay so are you married to this person. Yes so now. Bigamy yes we'll know. Oh 'cause 'cause Alison said they don't want to get back with the spouse but they're still legally married now goes to jail for bigamy. I don't know because sometimes if you're declared dead that I don't think oh he was declared dead. Yeah okay a whole mess. I know okay. So so what is their relationship going to be now. That he's back. DOC presumptuous of you to believe it was a man are movie castaway so. I Have Tom Hanks in my mind as the husband. So Oh because you're an anonymous relationship. They're planning to Kinda date their spouse or they want to date them now. Oh okay sounds messy. What do you think? How long have you been together? Five years okay. You have to wait a minute. Their partners been gone for five years. And you've been dating for five years so they married you right after missing. I never said how long the spouse had been missing seen a true crime. I've never the spouse has been missing six years. Have we've been living off the life insurance policy. No no so. The main issue is just that they lie they were like yeah. I knew that they were alive and I wasn't looking for them but if the spouse it doesn't seem to have a problem with that then why would I have a problem with that on the spouses behalf. I didn't say the spouse to have a problem with that but they're going to date them well but they don't know that they knew they were alive. It also this house is in a rehabilitation center because they are very malnourished. This is Paul. I WanNa Watch this movie now. Your decision didn't honestly. I don't know what this says about me but I'm like I would be fine if they left me for the spouse but I would also probably stay with them. Yeah I feel like you allison could've said any scenario and you would have been like a screen for you get. Aw I have so much room to act up and I never do I would leave. Wow well when you go missing and the I in an island landed in the sea. They don't look for you because he left them. Here's what I think. This is all a setup and they're just using the insurance money there was no insurance money. So are you assuming there was insurance money any that you have insurance on anyone. No but I'm not married. If we got married I would take got a huge policy on you. Oh God suspicious in our next game okay. Are you a terrible parent. Your child is irrationally. Afraid of lions. So you dress up in a big lion outfit for about a month. This goes great. Until you're a kid goes to the zoo field trip and they climb into the lion enclosure because they now think lions are the coolest loves to snuggle. Are you a terrible parent. No one dies for someone does get maimed. Yes you're getting zookeeper wow how ya I think you are because first of all a fear of lines is not irrational. That is irrational fear. Every day they'd go outside and go. Oh my Mike Got Alliance GonNa get me always thinking though line was gonna come eat them so for an entire month. You're this outfit you need to. But you can't just wear the outfit and do exposure therapy like you have to explain to them like when you see your Ryan line in the real world. It's not gonNA be your parent right. You forgot that part. Yeah Daddy Daddy in a lion costume like that's a real animal. What about if you just took them to therapy and didn't do a scheme? It's too late. The kid has gone into the line. Zookeeper has been named What's your position? I think you are a terrible parent because you could have just taken them to Therapy and the therapist could have handled their fear of lions. What if the therapist do the same thing? What it is just like God i Hey I think you are terrible parent? Because I think you're you're just doing this and you're not it's lazy and you're not explaining anything and you're not taking the time to communicate with your kid or get them professional help. Yeah what were you doing. When you're dressed up as a line just like regular stuff just the line reading the line voice at like at least no I shall? We don't be scared of me like yes. Yes No. What about the cowardly lion? Woo ooh me. That's what you should do is show them wizard of Oz and they'll see the lions are cowardly. Oh then be like. Don't go near them. Lines lines are scared of you. Oh I had I said all dead I have some bad news. In addition to being a terrible parent here also a terrible spouse because your spouse was zookeeper who got maimed me. I don't WANNA give lines a bad rap. Their majestic animal our final game. Is this person resident alien or just rude while in the hospital recovering from surgery. Your night nurse comes over examines your surgical wound with her fingers and declares. There's you're not strong enough for your skin to grow back are they. Elliott just rude. Well I you know when I had surgery I had a nurse. Say some weird stuff to me just seems re- I mean it was good weird. It was not Malaca from top surgery injury and the nurse was what she drinks. She was stroking my hair. And being like you did so good baby you look so good and cook on me baby. And then she was like you gotTa to get you gotta be ready to be a little marshmallow and I was like what and she was like. Your you know your bellies GonNa stick out and your your little marsh mill and I was like okay and she. She is water. Ice Chips issued me ice chips mixed mixed up with ginger. Almost like you're so good baby you look so good. Imagine opposite where they said. You're too weak to heal bill. That would freak you out. Yeah that would be weird. I feel like it's an alien because aliens can touch you know medical things. If I've seen anything in movies and television is that they can touch you in like we read your medical history and stuff and like he'll you with their hands so I'm gonNA say it's an alien but then they could heal you and it will grow. Oh back there. Vindictive verdict alien but they are gonNA help you grow it back. Ok Okay Yeah Yeah and then feed you ice chips while they stroke your hair so you did so good baby. I think if you're an alien and you come to Earth and you have healing powers obviously oh you become a nurse you should and that's a TV show. That I am pitching right. Now home runs it called alien nurse coming. NBC sometimes the the most simple as the best nurse alien nurses base nurse. What is Gabby win for winning one? Your continued love and affection. Dr Dr Quinn Medicine Alien All right so much for joining us now. Where can people find you other than Gavin's instagram zinc I'm just I appelbaum on all social media I do have a website called mob him dot com that I never update but my manager does put toward dates on for me. Thank Hugh promote your album. Oh yes put an album out. Four months ago called pity boy which is approximately a hundred years in the in the music industry. But I think it's very good and you can go get it. Pity boys very good. I recommend the songs odds and I don't want to and things still left to say. Those are my favorite ones. Stick around after the very. We'll be talking all about Queer baiting. Welcome back to just between us. It's time for topics. XXXXX XXXXX XXX. I did it like this so it's kind of like the audio XXXXX XXXXX. Oh yeah they can't do that in post I I like to do practical effects. Okay no CGI over here this. This podcast is free of CGI. So this week I wanted to talk about Queer Baiting yes and you said you looked it up. So what did you find. So basically Queer Baiting is when I think most often in TV and movies. But I guess it it can happen in books as well. Yeah where creators. Tease the idea of a queer relationship between two characters in order to get the LGBTQ hugh audience invested in the show but then they never actually have the characters get together because they don't want to offend the larger uh street audience correct yes. That's that's the gist of it. Yeah now here's my hot. Take you ready for for controversial hot. Take Corner yes I am. Okay obviously sleep. This is fucked up a straight people to do however I think that Queer people are a little bit to blame because we don't consume content by queer creators and we don't consume content with actual queer characters nearly at the level that we consume content. That is fully queer baiting. The show supernatural for instance. This is very known for Queer baiting between a two of its male characters and P that show's been on for fifteen sixteen seasons and Queer people our love it and they want those people to get together and they're very invested in a thing that like obviously is not going to happen because the creators are Garbage garbage in that way and you should instead of that be watching the tons of content. That's getting made or out there or whatever that is maybe struggling struggling to get views that is actually by queer people in that actually has queer characters but what you admit that there's like the problem is there's less of that there is less accessible. There is less of it and but I just think that it's so unfortunate that we put so much time and and money and Phantom effort into these shows that we we know are not going to give us what we want. I guess what I didn't realize is was how calculated it is yes that they know that they're doing it they know that they're like teasing their LGBTQ audience and they also so like don't have the balls to move forward with the relationship actually happening and that's so shocking to me that twenty twenty. It's still like so taboo Abu this thing that you want so badly and they're still like But someone in the Mid West might be offended so we can't risk losing that audience. Yeah I mean I think it happens with a lot of stuff like even with Star Wars. I know Oscar Isaacson John. Boyega were very pro their characters getting together but because Star Wars Disney have to do sales in China. They weren't gonNA. They weren't gonNA allow that to happen now. Then sometimes they will throw US Abon and give us like very bare minimum. Representational will give us like a one off character quicker. That doesn't speak or something like that. And they'll be like see we did it. But what would really really be actual representation really be revolutionary is if you had main characters whose whole story arc wasn't about being queer an and incidentally be queer. Why not okay? So for instance I was in a writer's room and something that really touched me was there was a character that they conceived of in in season. One Who was not clear and they had an made him to be clear. They hadn't written into be queer but they started realizing that there was a clearness to the character and then the people were responding to it and being like this character seems kind of queer and so they started writing him to be queer and then he came out and was a bisexual character and and I remember one of the creators saying is about the character J. from big mouth and I remember that one of the Creator saying J. told us who jay was. Oh I love that. Yeah like so. Many times you hear. Creators like audiences and Queer audiences are picking up on something queer about a character and creators will go. Well we didn't make that. We didn't invent that character to be queer and it's like no you didn't but like people have chemistry people come out at different ages like you know like you're there clearly reading something into it. Is it GONNA kill you to throw them a bone. Well I think there's this fear that it will that it will cause them to lose a significant portion of their audience audience. And that's such a bummer. But you know what you gain an audience absolutely you gain an audience and you and you are helping so much more than you are hurting Like you're hurting by not doing it and like I think that there's also a casualness right. It doesn't change anything to me like if a character is like comes out and I'm by or whatever it doesn't like negate anything else that's happened to that like they think it's going to be some like huge bomb and changed changed. The way the character behaves are acts like it. It really. There's still a saying I don't even think it's that I think it's they're just so afraid of losing an audience. Some I'm like up Shirahama phobic people being like screw this I. I'm not watching this any more. But here's what sucks is that. Then they'll kind of do little hints and they'll keep that they're they're teasing they're like keeping like breadcrumbs and so then the queer audience is so devoted and like if you just made them queer than you would gain a whole new audience and it would be a much more interesting. Storyline than trying to like force heterosexuality compulsory had oh sexuality on the people like. There's this thing that happens to where like a character will start to sort of read as queer and they will and then creators will like throw Win like an ex girlfriend or like if it's a female character who's sort of queer. They'll throw in a male love interest. And let me tell you almost every time there's no Kevin and I'm not saying that the actor is is queer in any way but just doesn't make sense it doesn't it never makes sense. I'm I'm curious though how often it's not the creators. It's the network. I think that sometimes that might be direction that the the show runners and writers. I WanNa take something. And then they're told from above. You can't do that it yes that does happen. It's also hard because then if you are told you that can't happen you think sometimes sometimes than the creators will just keep throwing little Hinson because they want to keep it going Not necessarily intentionally like it's not intentionally upsetting thing right. It's it's supposed to be like Oh compromise. What do you think a queer audience should do if that's happening in a show? Do you think that like you just grin and bear it and keep watching or do you think that there should be like a statement of like Oh boycott air boycotting it. I don't know I don't really have an answer like it's I wish. I think it comes more from top down like I wish that creators could see the benefits of doing of of actually going through with representations. Yeah I wish. Creators could see how loyal the queer community is. I mean we will devote ourselves. We will spend money. There was the Ellwood was on for like six seasons in two thousand five and we still talk about it. They'll watch it like we will be devoted to things that are made that are like representative representative and I just think that were discounted as like a paying audience like what you're saying where they're like well that guy in the Midwest won't like it. Why is his dollar more valuable valuable to my dollar because I think in their heads they think there's more of him than you know what What are some Queer created created content. That you'd recommend or even if it's not necessarily queer created content that there's representation on the show or in the movie. Yeah I mean so. I've talked about this a lot. But Madam Secretary is in ensemble cast and it has two very different bisexual characters represented and normally in an ensemble cast. They'd be like one queer character we did it I think I think sometimes we are looking for things to be very explicit and uh-huh maybe they won't be but we are being told things And I'm on the fence about that. Like Brooklyn Nine has Rosa Diaz. Who is an out bisexual will but then There's a lot of evidence that Andy Sandberg's characters bisexual to like. He talks almost like very casually in it. And like Bob's Burgers is an example of that. Too where Bob on Bob's Burgers says a lot of things that are like he's like that's characters bisexual and then the creators were like. Yeah but they don't he doesn't have like a coming out he doesn't like say it on the show. So then it's kind of funny to to see the different realities because I'll be like everyone knows that like Bob for Bob's Burgers is queer and people will be like what and how they sneak it under the radar kind of funny like yeah and I don't mind and that that much but it was kind of interesting because I Mal was saying that there are characters that they read as Trans And I'm like like oh I never thought of that. And they'll pointed out I'll be like your whoa wait a minute like you're right but it's just not my experience so I wouldn't have picked up on it so oh I'm sure there's tons of stuff like that and there's even less transfer presentation so Like I watched American Horror Story. Nineteen eighty-four and Anjelica Ross is on it and actor. Bellicose transport her character. It's like never brought up talked about and I'm of two minds of that where I'm like. It's pretty cool. That she's playing this character we're who like has this whole arching storyline about like being a nurse and And trying to go after serial killer and all this stuff and like it's never brought up or part of it But I was also like like I wish I wonder how many viewers don't know that this is transfer presentation I don't know I think it's really cool that that it wasn't part of the story line. Yeah I mean why. Even that's like what we need to see more and more of you know you have queer characters you have trans characters in. That's it's not their whole arc for sure. I mean it's interesting too because Mrs Fletcher did a really good job with Balancing that so like Jen Richards plays a Trans Woman Who's a professor at a college And she at one point mentions being trans But then the rest of the store so we know the character is but then the rest of the story line is about her her like feeling insecure and Thinking that this guy she's dating doesn't like her And then he does. But that's so ruin this show Ari but whatever you know what I mean so like I. I'm of two minds. Where like I think the Anjelica Ross character could have just had like a one off line and then it would have been whatever I don't love the the whole like in in France and me the only really knowing that because I know that actress But both of those things right both of those are transfer presentation In different ways and I loved American Certified Jennifer. and I loved Mrs Fletcher. Mrs Fletcher fucking blew my mind away. I loved that show so much And that was really cool. Representation and then the lead character and Mrs Fletcher. Her also is queer. But that's it comes up in her actions but it never she never has to declare it or say it and that's interesting I don't know and it's interesting like with star wars right where it had the to the male and the female lead character. They had them have like a romantic connection and that wasn't seen as crazy even though even though like wasn't really necessary but because you could stand without them kissing you know that they were very important to each other and connected elected but then like fin po. They threw in a random ex girlfriend of post just to be like I know for two movies. You thought that these two I'd chemistry but no oh you know what I mean like. Yeah I of their way to not let go go out of their way like if even if you're not going to give the queer representation don't throw something in in there too like ruin it and I I'm not happen so often. Wow had a lot of feeling. Yeah you really did thank you for sharing Goddamn to make it. You WanNa share your impassioned feelings. Are you fired up as Gabby I mean I feel like I just got a whole history of painting I mean wow that was. That was a lot. I know a lot of one once. I'm into it. It's like an INFO dump pretty much. I I know a lot about pop culture. Yeah I mean and I actually did watch supernatural actual when it first came out I remember he too because I was graduating a highschool when it first came out forever ago and it still on the air probably ably sixteen seasons. It's still on sixteen seasons of not letting two grown men kissing each other was the chemistry there from the beginning. Yes wow yeah I remember when I first saw because I was like. Wow this is crazy. They're going to have like because it's like an angel and this other dude it's like Demon Hunter Yeah and interesting storyline right forbid in love you know yeah that'd be so it would have been really groundbreaking at the time. And if one of them was a woman they would've dated for sure. That's the thing that pisses me off the compulsory heterosexuality of it is. Let's take these two characters now in any other show. If one of them was played played by a woman would they be dating. And if the answer is yes then. You're fucking Queer baiting thank you for your time. I'm Gabby done And I am running for president. Twenty twenty that's a little late to announce your campaign. Yeah I'm not on the debate stage But you know if you donate enough I will get there. What do we rate this episode? I I read it Five out of five I I love how. Oh Yeah. Can I ask you guys a question. Yeah I salute. How are you so open about your relationships? Like I know you had your mom on the pod. Once you've talk really in-depth about your current relationship. I mean for the average person and I think that'd be very scary. Yes how do we do it. There are things that I'm not comfortable talking about and I don't talk about those things so like I don't talk about the sex. That makes me uncomfortable so I just it my body. I don't feel uncomfortable talking about the other things but when my body does feel uncomfortable then I don't do I have no sense of self preservation or shame And I think similar to Alison to there are things that I don't WanNa talk about. But a a Lotta Times if I feel like I don't WanNa talk about it. Then that means it would be relatable and helpful to someone else and so my my metric is if I and I have families my my family is great and stuff like that so I and my job is secure so to me. It's like my metric is if I can talk about this thing that might otherwise seem personal and shameful to other people And nothing will happen to me. My family will talk to me. My partner will still love me. I was still have all the jobs that I have then. Why not like nobody? Nobody else is GonNa talk about it because there might be repercussions but if I am at a person who happens to not suffer any pre like repercussions from being honest and open then. I'm sure that will help other people so it's like a privilege position this open lucky enough to have. We're very privileged. That's really nice. Thank you so much to our incredible guests now blonde just between US hosted by me. Allison Raskin and me Gabby done our engineers Brendon Burns. He also composed killer theme music producers to Migo weatherspoon in our supervising rising juicers. Josephine MARTORANA are executive producers. Chris Bannon just between us as a production of stitcher. Thank you for sharing when you're on the show though we appreciate it. Thanks to Mika. Ah Thank you uh-huh stitcher.