17 Burst results for "Tia Poo"
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Quite right. Just didn't think he didn't think he helped David that much, it was a funny out loan race. Yeah, it is the firm's not there, Dennis. It's always a good record around there. National drastic light back to more sentiment more than anything else. Flora and Porter was he the horse he's not the horse he was until stuck in the middle of them there. In other ways, so it definitely wasn't a vintage renewal and every chance. I'm probably going on the dash a rash of farms, you know what I mean? That's right. You know, he's not really entitled to be there in a tunnel. Yeah, he's a good grade tree, grade two horse. He is nowhere near great, not a great one. Yeah. He always runs his race. If you think of it just. Yeah, if you think of it in pure handicapping terms, like Tia poo and flooring Porter were both rated one 6 three and one 6 two respectively. Gold tweet had a mark of one 5 6, he's finished down the field. Sorry to burle one 5 two dashel dryer one 5 three. So there's literally ten pounds on official ratings between Tia poo and Sara de Burley, yet they race off level weights and start to burly wins. And dashlane drosha finishes in front as well. They've essentially out either they've outrun their official ratings by ten pounds or tippu is not as good as was being suggested. Well, I think there's a funny race to watch now. I think Merrick Walsh got the proxies and race. You know, you got on the inside there and he saved a lot of ground. I'm not obviously not one for criticizing anyone's rights that everyone's right in fantastic child. But sometimes you need a bit of lock like that and I think marijuana has got it on the day. You got a great passage through and the horse never goes too much. They'll never over race as I've always been saying that about staying harder is that they're better off behind the bridle and sure side of barley was behind the bridle the whole way. And you know, the whole way never traveled. And yet he's 40 stamina. And that's what you need to win a stairs harder. Where is this supposed to you who probably traveled? He traveled well for a long way. And yeah, look, I'm just, he just got into a bit of unknown territory, didn't he tell you who bought it and get the tree mile when the going got tough at that trip. I just wonder was he resolution of? And that's where
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"You terrible about you. Oh, The Simpsons always good for a quote. Groans keeper Willy. Better not do the accent or Ben akin will literally kill me. But we found somewhere in the outer hebrides are not found at all. Will have you been and he's back on for entry very, very soon. It's all in good fun. I would have to agree with you about flooring Porter as well. It's killing me to go away from him. And Danny Mullins was incredibly bullish about him on interview them last week for talks about the final for long. Very bullish. And look, you would have to be concerned about his form earlier in the season, but a couple of things. Now they know what was wrong and Danny made reference to that that it didn't make sense embedding, getting beaten in the way he did at Christmas. And finally, when an answer was given, that they were able to identify, I think it was a problem with one of the hind legs that they were able to go, okay, so he hasn't been running right. And he had missed a couple of gallops before that race too. So, look, he's been there done that both the T-shirt. Yates's progeny at the trip are 22 from 76 at cheltenham. And they've had yeah. So apologies. Over two months 6 to three mile two. In the last in the last year, there are 22 from 76. Progeny at Sheldon in the last two years, 12 winners. Which, you know, it wouldn't have been a gigantic amount that has gone there. And obviously, flowing portraits responsible for two of those. But he's a tremendous resource. I just think the younger legs of Tia poo with the better preparation and the ground coming in his favor. Gordon Elliot must be doing The Rain dance of all rain dances for Jerry colon, mighty Potter and anti apu. It's come off and let's see if we can actually go and get the job done now. To the plate, gentlemen, as we rattle on through Thursday, so Scottish 7 to two market leader for the plate with beta, il rodo, who Paul Nichols told Nick look the other day would be his best handicap chance reckons most resources are badly handicapped. Doesn't every trainer think that though. It was 8 to one. All right, fair enough if you want to go throw your money on him. 8, we got midnight river at tens Ferrero bamboo horse some interested in ten to one shot and I am maximus, who I believe goes here, we'll see, but 14s, if that is indeed correct, Paul will switch back to you. What do you like in the plate? I think so, Scottish of one four three may now be in the handicappers pocket. And I think he's way, way too short on the battery. I thought this was once again a very open renewal, even if you take him out the equation. I was interested in I am maximus at a big price if he's going to run at the Turner to get place not to win it, but to be placed. And the very fact that he said he may go here and make some hugely interesting. I've got an update for you. I've got an update for you. He's been declared for the brand advisory, which is music's Myers, 'cause he's my huge weather. Oh, interesting. Okay. I just think he's unlikeable horse and you get to see the best of it. But I thought there's one in here that I've been waiting to drop back in trip. From three miles for a while, and we finally get it. And it's a scary ten who was thought as an obvious to be very, very classy indeed and ransom cracking racism officer as well. He won, of course, third in the national hunt chase in 2021 where 40 fence beautifully. You know, you have this ability to stand off offense. It has the scope as well. And I think of this mark, I think Gordon Elliott has found his niche. It doesn't quite see how to fast run deep ground three miles three one three two. Because he can be quite exuberant of free in his races. And if we get a well run two and a half year two 5 here and he's placed in mid div or as oppressor and is jumping as a huge asset and the ground definitely isn't a problem. I think he's an absolutely huge price for a horse that hasn't raced very often at this what I think is going to be. And I'm predicting it's going to be. I could be wrong. I predict he is going to be as optimum trip. And he'll carry the weight, no problem at all. He's got a Welsh weight on his back, but he's a real big robust horse. And I think this is a really shrewd move from Elliot. I'm liking that and particularly I can have bullish who are about him. The question is though, Mark Milligan, who do you like? Yeah, I thought there was a few of interest in here. I kind of agree with Paul on Scottish. I think he's, I think he's short enough in the market, isn't he for what he's achieved. Now, I was a big fan of his ascot last time, wasn't I mean, he got beat there off a mark of a 135. I felt that was a race that the ought to have been winning. He's off a 143 now. So the handicappers taken absolutely no chances with him at all. There were a couple that caught the eye last time that's all right, Gino and shake them up Harry, but I'm keen on midnight river. I think that run at cheltenham last time when was that the Harry skeleton celebration that race is that? Oh, I think it was. Did the aeroplane? Good memory. Yeah. But I like the fact that he's coming in fresh here. And he likes cheltenham. He's up 7 pounds for that, but that won't be a bother because he's a horse who can carry big weights. He wouldn't under 12 stone at Stratford on his comeback. This season, I think he's still a reasonably handicapped task of a 152. So I was more than happy at what should be a double figure price here to side with midnight river. That sounds very fair to me. I'm fascinated in general because I'm pretty certain that what Finnish Williams wanted to do was go for the grand annual with him, he just hasn't got in. And he might not get in this either. That's something that she was saying the other day on road to Shelton with Lydia that some of her horses are just a little bit too well handicapped. He needs ten to come out. That's possible. I am activist, for example, is just one. There's a number of horses who are going to come out of this race. So it's possible he would sneak in. If he does, I think he's got the right tactics for it. He would go from the front. He's a big bowl jumper. And he does run well on soft ground. Ironically enough, there's a couple of venetia Williams horses that are starting to show that they're actually better on good ground. Fumble savola winning on good ground at newbury the other day for get the mind right. But I was really impressed with how well he jumped the other day and I thought he ran an absolute blinder behind the big bison was a little bit unlucky to lose. At 33 to one, he'd be interesting for me. I'm also interested in a horse divers that will definitely get in Ferrero bamboo.
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"I'm going to go for N by Ellen to cause a bit of an opposite. I'm with you. Look, it's great to see shishkin back. It's a pretty quick turnaround. He wasn't given an easy time of it. In some ways, I like the fact that Nico de boinville just went right go on and do it. And another way you're thinking, oh, there's another race to come. And it's only 26 days from now. He won't bounce because he's not a candidate for the bones vector. Graham. But I think he misspoke that day. I genuinely think he did. He might regress pretty much. That's a reasonable enough thing to say. He has backed up big runs in the past. In some ways, in turn around of this time period has actually worked to his benefit in the past, and he's put up really strong performances, but this is shishkin after a rare bone disease. I don't know what this shear skin is capable of consistently now. Maybe he will just crush this lot. But maybe he won't. And envoy talking to Henry dubrov had a couple of weeks ago for talk sport and went out in the final following as well. Really taken with how positive how he spoke about him in the build up to the king George. He said he'd never been happier with him. He thought he had an absolutely spot on, Rachel was buzzing going over to kempton. And he just bombed. And they couldn't understand why. But something that Sam Tristan Davis sits in the globe a few days ago. It was on Twitter that when they brought, we've all been caught over to the Dublin racing festival. If he'd finished fourth or 5th, they'd have been crestfallen and going, oh, well, he's not that good. But the fact that he finished last means, well, that can't be right. So he's just had an off day and we can still believe and still believe there's another big day. And that couldn't have been in violence for him. And he's got some record when he runs fresh. He's an exceptional record when fresh, and a brilliant child and festival record as well. So I would take the chance too. Whether it's without the favorite best or just in the straight market at 12, which is his current price, that's how I would be going for it as well. Paul Jacobs though, what is your view on the Ryanair Chase? Apart from any fell behind chantry house. But you know, I know. You knew I was going to say that. You knew, listen, I think this is a frigging awful Ryan. I think it's probably the worst Ryanair in the history of the race. The very fact that all of us, all three of us want to approach your skin, I think the more and when he came back as the champion chase last year, mark had recollected it was a horrible day, wasn't it? It could be a horrible day on Thursday as it could be on Wednesday. Couldn't it? It could be as equally as bad. And the first thing that Nico said to Nikki Henderson, the first words was that he hated it out there. He hated it out there. And I think I don't fancy anything else in the race. Probably not going to have a bet fixed odds. On the race. I think the way to go what Mark said is rights to lace shishkin, but I think the way to go is to lay them in the place market. If you're looking for real value, and you look at the limited liability, is lay shiskin in the place market. I can't have any of the other horses in there at all. And it might be a race if I don't play for a lay on the place. I might even leave alone. You have 28 races during the week. They're all hard enough to try and evaluate. And if you play in every single race, you ain't going to come out with a profit. It very wise words, depressing, but wise words. And that probably is the best way to go about it. Not just lay him a place name. Because if he is going to bomb out, he'll bum out spectacularly. So listen, we're all taking on shishkin. If he wins, there won't be a dry eye in the house, and it'll be a tremendous training performance from Nikki, but we're all taking him on. There's this is a race where there is no emotion. It's all about the cold hard cash and we're taking on shishkin. To the stairs hurdle, which is shaping up to be a cracking renewal of the race. Blazing Cal for Charles burns is the three to one shot, although he did have an injury scare last week. Tia poo fours, he's definitely going to get his ground now. The defending champion flooring Porter bids to join English driver is a three time winner of the race 5 to one, goal tweet has been supplemented tens, ashdale bob, 16 shot. There's home by the league classical dream and so many others in there in the bed dark market bed dak market even as well if I can speak correctly and use my mouth words. As I take a big gulp of espresso Mark, that'll work out well. Who do you like in the stairs hurdle? Yeah, I'm keen on here. That's just been. He's just been so progressive, hasn't he since he stepped up in trip. And his last two runs of both been in the one 60s on time form ratings. That's the kind of level that you're going
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"That is just music to the ponting ears of those who are supporting Tia poo and for that matter mighty Potter. And we've just had shoot for us to rule out of the batons. So David pipe gets even closer to winning that race with thanks for the help. Much obliged. Just briefly before we begin, how much has the ground going to sway both of you? I'll start with you. How much is the way that the ground is now shaping up going to influence your bedding horses that have come out? Or is it that you're going to be focused on? Yeah, it's obviously a huge factor. It's difficult right now because I always like to have as much information at hand as possible. So I will be holding fire a little bit until the evening before with a lot of things. As you're sitting there, how much do you leave the forecast? I don't know. So worse than some, let's see. I just guessing it what's going to happen. I think weather forecasts are completely the window and get the weather wrong. So I don't know how much to believe that. It's always tricky. It's tricky. In their defense, I was in Scotland for months two weeks. The weather said it was going to snow like crazy. And I was like, well, I'm getting out of here. Looks like you'd be stuck. It depends how student channel week. I got out. They were right. It did not have a voice. So if you can't get it right, but yeah, it does not a huge it might drain well, was Paul Paulson. It was quite a mixed forecast. It's soft just no pleasure on good to soft. Will it dry out? Will there be an offering? Don't know, it's a quandary I think we could have all done with it. But it is what it is. It is what it is. We'll just have to see what comes and so we get this kind that we get this band a little bit every day. It's like there's a bit of scaremongering going on with the ground is going to go on my other hand to be spent to be fair to the team of the course this year had been probably being dealt really well from the way the weather's been throughout the winter. That's pretty it's pretty unusual for the time of year the way the temperature seems to rise up and down dramatically. So economizing they've had an easy run into the festival to be fair to them. No, and even struggling to grow the grass on the new course, like that's just something we're not familiar with hearing. It's a very unusual set of circumstances this year. But we do we do tend to get panic at the disco in terms of the ground and how things are going to go. It's just unusual that this year it's shaping up to be proper soft ground. That's not something that we're used to from the jump. And even it can start on soft and then veer to good to soft towards the end of the week. This time around, if the forecast is to be believed, we're not going to see any of that, but it looks at things. So very interesting. I actually think that either sources are a lot more adapt adaptable with regards to under food conditions than the British UK horses. I don't want that. It's maybe either trained at home, it's maybe I don't know what it is, but you do often see a horse or one certain profile in Ireland on the ground or come over, it will be different over here and you think, that's maybe not going to act on it. And then they do. So I use horses for some of them a lot of them. I maybe wouldn't be too concerned. I don't know why that is but it seems like you'd have to act on many different conditions. So it's another ace up that Aida Schwarzschild, I suppose. Yes, as if Irish trainers and horses needed another advantage for cheltenham 2023. They appear to have been handed yet another one. So we're not counting our chickens just yet, but we're going to crush it this year. 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"Not be on the eve of the 2023 cheltenham festival? First of all, get an update on the ground because Paul, you and I were talking about this last week, and it's changed considerably. There's been snow. There's been sleep. There's been rain. What is the current going at Sheldon? This small another BK website was updated at 7 38 a.m., called a ground conditions on all courses, soft goods, often places. The weather report reads that there was one and a half millimeters of rain overnight dry forecast today. And quite mild temperatures tend to 11° around The Rain, moving during the season and through the night into Monday, but that should only be two or three mils. It's in bloodstream Monday with further showers possible up to four or 5 mills, unsettled on Tuesday, itself with a risk of some light showers followed by a frost so it goes from ten to 11° to -3° on Tuesday even if the forecast is correct. I fear the bandar rain is forecast later in the day. Wednesday through Thursday with ten to 15 mils to those days. Occasional light showers on Friday. So it sounds like Tuesday might be two about probably the edge and tools soft but if the forecast is to believe let's say Wednesday and Thursday look like they're going to be really well. Yeah, that was the forecast when we were talking about this last week was the Thursday was scheduled to be the worst of the days, but you're still dealing with a long-range forecast. Now that we're getting even closer, that is just music to the ponting ears of those who are supporting Tia poo and for that matter mighty Potter. And we've just had shoot for us to rule out of the batons. So
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"More important level to proven all sorts of levels. On soft ground. In this workout, now players in color. To be done. Yeah, I agree. You know, he'd be tested with a ridiculous price. Yeah, he's too short. He's too short. And you know, we'll see some Philip is he definitely going to ride him. If he rides and. He rides, he's a good lad. Great job for seems to be going the right direction. North of the high scale and the lovely road and haven't we're chatting is going to be an altogether different kind of fish for this players in car now in the stereotype. He's a big strong awkward looking beast. And you know, he said, look, I could be completely wrong and to be a great story, wouldn't it be so, you know, children winners there is harder to learn, has previous with the stairs harder. So he has a good record. But yeah, I think for me, home by the Lee and Tia hubu, they're the two in that town that are really standing out to me. Yeah, I know we have some listeners questions for you, but Cyrus at Sheldon. And just on Tia poo, I could be wrong about this. I'm not sure my marvel has had a runner at children. And if he has not many, most of his project and he run in France, would there be any concern for you about his ability to handle the undulations of the new course of children? Clearly is a little bit because he's been to Shelton twice fancy now and he hasn't operated. And I am putting it down to the ground, but it may have been down to the trip. I mean, I'm sure he can test it in a retrial for a Fred winter, and then a champion horrible. No, I think he was in contention to run in one. And he ended up coming out was he was he in contention to go up against coexistence back in the day and then didn't take him on. So he would run and it would run in the Fred winterland, wouldn't he? Yeah, he didn't, but I think they were going to take him there and he ended up seeing it. But that doesn't change the fact that he did run in the champion hurdle, and he was on the preview panel, the beta preview panel with his last year. And Katie young, who was at the time working for Gordon and she was she put up imperial command, commander of fleece, the one who won the coral cup, didn't put a scent on him, and she put him up in 50s. And goes and does the job, but she was incredibly bullish about him. And the bullishness from the Elliot team about him in the champion hurdle was massive. It probably too short for this. He was lapped. Yeah, I don't need final piece of work on it but now I've been there before before telling him he was absolutely phenomenal. But it was on soft ground. And I think it's the ground and the trip was paid a gentleman. I think the dream I will definitely help them be the outside track as well. So later in the week and he'll have more time more space and he absolutely
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"And I mean, what a trained performance by Charles Barnes, I mean, obviously it's been if Boston and when and maybe hasn't it for ages know about when we're going to see him again, obviously he missed the whole of 2022. But if you look back to this horse's form, took him four goals to win a bumper. He was sent to our favorite on debut, but since he's won his bumper, he's not been beaten since. Our mini popped up, I think his second or third start overheard is when he absolutely smashed him. Tell them. And that's when he really came on the radar. And I mean, he's only just turned 7. He's got zero miles on the clock, obviously. We've learned now that he is pretty fragile, but I really like the way he went through that race the other day and you know they didn't mind him. You know, they have to put the gun to his head a little bit and see what this horse could find under pressure if there is maybe little eagles there with him. But no, it was good as gorgeous. I think the second is a good yardstick. I suppose the term gets to form down a little bit, but he was 6 lens behind. I was just good in seeing the price. Honest to God, it didn't think he was going to be going off. That sort of price. Because of such an absence, he had to there had to be some sort of value there with the question marks, but no, I think it was pretty good. It's just very, very classy. He really is and my only worry about the likes of tahu. I think at the top table he just needs to cut in the ground for me. Yeah, Dennis is backed you up on that as well. Now when we spoke to Dennis last on the show and I think he's on next week with us, his I was asking about the ground for Jerry Kalam and for Tia poo and at the time he hadn't run in sand down yet. He's beyond Jerry klarman was Welsh national type in the future. And when I said that to Lizzie Kelly the other day, she burst out laughing and went. So no good then. But that wasn't what he was saying. He was just saying that that kind of ground is going to be, you'd see him be a muster resource on that kind of ground. Since his win and Sam down, Gordon has come out and said, no, we are going for Brown advisory and he's the ideal type for that race. But when we talked about Tia poo, and the reason I'm mentioning this, bring an injury Columbus because there was kind of a lost in translation across the wires because again he was emphasizing yet ground would be important. But when you realized it was Tia poo I was talking about. No, no, he'll be fine. Which I think is very interesting. Because maybe it was a pace issue. Maybe it was the trip in the champion hurdle that caught him out and not so much the ground. So I'm not as worried about it as I was on the basis of what Dennis has said, but it's certainly a concern. There's also just, he didn't beat a whole lot the other day, but he did be classical dream and honeysuckle. And that's the best form on offer. So when they're both the same price, I would be sitting with Tia poo. And Charles burns himself mentioned yesterday. It's not ideal and there is the bounce factor at play. But you couldn't have been any more impressed with how he did it. And if there's any man who can get a horse to divide the bounce factor, it's the wily ill Charles burns petty. Yeah, definitely. After he, after he won the first time at cheltenham for Charles Barr said that was on the 12th to November. And they went back in it and pretty quick again. So I wouldn't be able to bounce back off the back of an absence, but he also commented as well yesterday that this horse was actually going to tighten up a good bit for that effort yesterday. So if he's going to improve off the back of what he did yesterday, you know, he's only a 7 year old like I've mentioned. He's got zero mileage on the clock. This fella and we really, really don't know. Where the ceiling is, we're blazing car. Yeah, we don't. I don't know if he said this yesterday or not. But I do know the blazing Cal has been taken down to the beach. And so they've been working on the sand. And just to explain that paddy, when you're working a horse on sand, and working them down on the beach, you are essentially you're getting them hard face on that surface. But you're also not giving them an excessively hard workout on tough ground. It's an ideal way to prepare a horse. Yeah, I mean, the beach is a tricky one because honest to God, it's almost like being on a race course. You have got to choose your line on the beach because the closer you work a horse to the water edge, that can be very, very quick surface. You want to be, you want to be away from the water edge and a good bit of the shore where the sand is a bit drier and a bit deeper. So you can choose your line. That's why you'll never see someone gallop in a horse down the beach and they're splashing through the water loan because that you'll even hear it underfoot. That is pretty, that's a pretty quick surface. And if you take a little bit more from the water edge and you'll get deeper and more consistent surface, but yeah, you can be as kind or as harsh as you want. And you can get plenty of work done for sure. And then obviously afterwards, there's nothing better than for horses, bits and pieces to get them into the salt water and let them stop in there for 20 minutes, half an hour. It really, the recovery is just incredible. 14 months off the track, but not a bother for blazing Cal in the bowling hurdle. William hill boyne hurdle to give it its proper title. And now we've got blazing Tia poo, home by the Lee, flooring Porter and it's good again to hear the reports that there's more money coming in for him because that means he surely on the way back and we'll hopefully be making the race. There's also the possibility looking extremely liked in the Marie's rock is going to switch to this race.
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Going to react with the hostel in Boston love a bigger fail? But just look and true. Is there going to be a bigger field? I can't see there being any more than 9. Really? Yes. I'm just looking at a goal and you're hoping for each way purposes with a force on chart that I will be. So people can have some sort of a play on the race but it's also the ones immediately behind the media beyond the top four efforts on Google domains. I think as we've said, so likely to go the other way. It doesn't ruin. You're right about Sharia, I would say, first street. Maybe pie paper room will be much option for elsewhere for instance. We wouldn't be. Able to might not be might not be even 8 or 9. Yeah, I don't know where I say constitution here to short. I want to follow up. No doubt he is. When the opposition keeps on the way and filed in the way, he might not have that many to be for them. Yeah, a lot of the picture will become very clear, ten days time or so. It was ten runners in the race last year. I was ten runners in the race the year before. I don't see it there being ten years here. I just don't. I don't even. No, no, absolutely not. We'll stay with the hurdlers and go to this staying division. Stayers hurdle. Betting is fairly open for this with the news about flooring portrait and we're gonna see Tia poo, the conqueror of honeysuckle at the Tai ST is meeting on Thursday, so that's going to be his next round and we'll tell us more about what they plan to do with him with view to the spring festivals. What's the current market for the stairs, Barry? Yeah, there was a big drift on foreign quarter with a late last week as opposed to the current market with us is homeboy the league is now your favorite of four to one blazing cow is next in a horse that hasn't run for me on a year now. 160 days by the time the race comes around. Yeah, well, there you go. Classical dream 6 is Paisley park 8 to hubo as you say goes on Thursday. He's the two's on show for that race on tour. So he's 8 of all. I stay above tens, Marie is rocked hands. She won't go monkfish tens and in flora importer 12. It's the same sound 12 charger. 14s and then off to the horses in there that I can't see them gone but I might have an interest in one for us. Well, I shouted out already want to kick on with the preview for us. Oh, let's go. Okay. Now this might make might not make much sense in a couple of weeks time, but a horse that we've seen run a club year today called whole on killer. You remember him? He had that race one and then he had that race one. He holds an entry in the stairs toward him this year. Okay? So I'm thinking obviously they put him in this layer of tortilla as a backup plan. If it's chasing career hasn't done two plan, he worn on his chase debut, he said two files in there in his next 5 starts. I can not see how they control me into a chase race at Shetland off the back of that fault. He's only quite a young horse. You know, if he was to have another 12 race again, it could sort of sell them. I think he's available at a 20 to one for the stairs orbital, which is probably the weakest of the championship races. And he'd have to be enough to be supplemented if he was good at that. Yeah, so I just think look, why was he entered into stairs? Obviously because a black hole planet, you don't enter them in there if it's not in your moy and somewhere along the line. It's chasing career hasn't gone as hoped. The nasty fall the other day, as I say, in the last 5 loans or fantasies fallen twice. I can't see them going straight to chat them off the back of that file. I think he might just step back to portals. He has some decent horror form. He was torn there behind quixel in 2021 in the triumph. And he was behind Jeff keratin in the grade one, a punch down over hoarders, and then he's gone, he's gone chasing centers. There's a good winner in our toy as well. Prior to joining William Mueller. So this form overheard it is not bad. The stairs shorter is not the strongest division. All that at all and I just think at 20 to one he might he might just end up there. I like that. A lot. And I like the logic that you've used to get there too. 20s with bed deck for hot encore. For the stairs. Paul, how do you see the race going? We'll start with flowing Porsche, shall we? Because he might still make it, but it's 50 50 about his participation for childhood, and that's a huge blow, because obviously he's been brilliant there the last two years. And I know he'd missed a couple of key gallops before the race at Christmas time. So you can factor that into what he did there, but it's very much in doubt now as to whether or not you will even make the race. First and foremost, let's hope he does get, as you say, defend and jump in for the past few years. I think it's two runs this season, a slightly lower tends to often be beaten first time out, but he was much closer last year in lismore and hurdle when he came down and when he was beaten that year. So and then just didn't seem to have the same spark as he usually seems to have that zest that he often travels with the Christmas I didn't think. So first and foremost, I don't think he was thinking he's better than what he was showing this year. But again, you couldn't really contemplate back in them at this stage from given what connections have said. Hopefully he gets there and then the market will again take another BB shaped again really 20 to one would be an overreaction to his form this year but that that would kind of indicate that people are believing that he might not make it. Again, then there's question mark to me a couple of top marks home by the leaders well beaten last year as a S three to one shot might well have improved but
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"8 to one about lord de menil or 5 to one about mister incredible, I'd go to lord menil. And I think the danger to him is three hundred through 5. Mister incredible could win this and we talked about him at length at Christmas time. I'm not dismissing him at all. It's a price thing. If he was, if he was 8, which was available this morning, I'd probably back him. He's not. And he's only going one way by the looks of things. It's only going to get shorter. So I'm with you. Lord de menil to land the sweep for us. In the classic chase at Warwick and 8 to one with beta, as we record, which takes us to Warwick. We will stay there. We are done with kempton. Three 35 is the handicap hurdle, ashtown Ladd. A winner over fences last time is the 11 to four favorite the bomber liston for Nikki Henderson and Paul O'Brien in 92 shot well supported. David piper's got paracord. Run a good race last time out. Chep still behind top of the bill and has been well supported from 15 to two into 5 to one and Ronald pump will make the journey over as well. Brian Hayes again on board an 11 to two shot. For kiro and Murphy, who do you like? Yeah, I'm going to take a chance on the top boy in here, say to Billie, because this is a massive class drop for him compared to the races he has been contesting. And we only have to go back to last April. Don't we? When he was not time form ratings, very close to a 160 in winning the Liverpool hurdle, beating flooring Porter there. And I don't think there's been enough evidence in his run since then to suggest that he's a back number. It could be that he's just been brought along gradually and being a little bit over faced as well. Now he's an 11 year old. This is, look, what Ronald pumps are really good staying type, isn't he? But the rest of these they're not they're pretty much of a much nice to me. Saying the Burley, we're talking a genuine genuine grade one staying hurdler, aren't we? Well, it's only, is it 5 starts when he wanted to entry? Yeah, exactly. And this is look, this is a massive class drop. It's the class angle for me here. If he retains most of that ability from entry, they're not going to stop him here off America of a 154. We've got to take it a little bit on trust. I think he's an 11 year old now. Maybe he's not quite as good, but that was less than 12 months ago, wasn't it? A hand tree that he was beating for a quarter. Look. At the prices. I think it is about 8 to one when I was going through this race earlier. It's just a no brainer for me to take side of belly on the class angle here that sort of price. The one thing that would worry me about him is, and I'd be very keen for your view on this. Is there an attitude problem with him? The official wording on the in running comments is reluctant to line up. And then reminders soon after start and raced in last pushed along, looked reluctant before 8 struggling from 9th tailed off from three out pulled up after two out. And he wasn't exactly love and life behind Tia poo at ferry house either. I saw him in the paddock that day and he was a wild price. And he never really got involved at all. If we're going to be really picky, is there a risk that now that he's turned 11 that there's a bit of an attitude issue coming into his style of running? Yeah, I think you're right to highlight that he did look a bit reluctant to set off last time. He was getting some early reminders, he didn't look like he was entirely in love with the game. What sways it for me though is we're not dealing with a two to one or 5 to two favorite here, are we? We're dealing with a horse who's going to be 8 to one, maybe even a touch bigger. So I would be at this level prepared to take a chance on him. He's not looked that moody in his previous few starts. For me, that was the first little hint of temperament that we got at leopard stone over Christmas. And you know, unless we see that on a consistent basis and might be prepared to just draw a line under that same movie, he just wasn't on a going day. We all have bad days, don't know how I'm talking about today. And you know, we're going to get 8, 9 to one, about if he's on a going day. And is there anywhere near that form that he showed at entry in April, this lot will struggle to cope with him? Let me say this to you about Ronald pump. His record in handicaps reads as follows, fourth, first, first, first, in handicaps over three months.
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"You. You're drawn up parallel with CEO. I think I'm far from far from that. But yeah, we're thanks, guys. Great to be back really enjoyed last week. Nice one. Good banter, good boys. Darren McGrath, Darren McGrath. I mean, I've only known the guy for who knows how long and this is just proof perfect of the fact that it's been a long day. It's freezing. And I haven't had enough caffeine, so I'm going to have a little bit of that. As before we get stuck into the weekends preview, because there's a lot to get stuck into and a lot to be excited about and hopefully it will all go ahead. But we did see honeysuckle getting beaten and we broke it down Barry Collins on Monday, Patti aspell is here alongside Barry and myself. is we review the weekend's action that we're about to see will have Denis Oregon and Darren McGraw on the following Monday and then we're into the festive preview. So it's only a few more shows and then we're right into the Christmas thick of things. But honeysuckle beaten in the Hatton's grace and it led to a number of debates. One of the conversations that was happening between Sean quinlan and myself on racing live on talks for today was Henry de Brom head horses are not running particularly well. It's two from 28 in terms of winners. For his last number of runners, one of those winners was a surprise at 20s. And that might put a fresh perspective on things. Maybe they are just isn't quite firing and she probably needed it. And also just before we came on air, Mark you had a very interesting piece of info from time form that puts into perspective just how good this year's renewal was of that and grace comparing it to last year's. Yeah, I think going into last year's renewal of the Hatton's grace. Honeysuckle had a time form rating of a 165. But that's a master rating. She's still got that time for master rating of a 165, but going into last year's run in the Hatton's grace when she beat Ronald pump, she ran quite a long way below that. She ran 11 pounds below at best, but still managed to win that race. And she recorded a rating of a 154 there. Now interestingly, when we compare that to this year's contest, she's finished third, but she's actually only run in terms of figures three pounds below her winning mark from last season. And it could be perhaps that she needed the race last season as well. She just wasn't facing opposition that was as strong. She faced a couple of new shooters that she hadn't faced before, really didn't see hoopo and classical dream. And, you know, I'm now erring towards giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying, at 8 years old, she may well just have needed the room. And she traveled every bit as well as she normally travels and emptied out in the manner of a horse who just looked short of peak fitness to me. So I guess the thought long and hard about this the past week and on reflection, I think I'd be prepared to just give her the benefit of the doubt for that one. Yeah, I'm the same. And it was very disappointing to see her beaten. She was going for 17 out of 17, but my view on the Hatton's grace, and I said this on Monday show, that's a better renewal than last year's. She was taking on two new form lines in classical dream and tipo. Tipo loves soft ground and it brings out the best in them. And Rachel looked devastated as they crossed the line, like the way her head went down, it was also paddy asphalt made a really interesting point. So I could have just stolen it and used it as my own. But it was an interesting observation. They've tackled her out wide. It's almost Giant's Causeway observatory all over again. Don't eyeball her because if you do she'll respond and she'll find that little bit more. Instead, both Tia poo and classical dream are having their own little battle out wide. And she then wasn't able to respond to that. Even if they had been alongside her, maybe she wouldn't have. But I would not be, I think rumors of honeysuckles demise are greatly exaggerated. That being said, though, Darren, your perspective on her claims, constitutional is obviously gone very, very short price with beta for the champion hurdle. He is currently 1.4. Honeysuckle, 9. What did you make of her return? What do you make of her prospects for the Irish champion hurdle and the champion hard itself? I think the first point that I'd like to make to be honest guys is that I think she should be retired. Okay? And the reason that I do is that for me, the risk reward doesn't add up. So we participate in a sport where everybody's opinion is valid. And no matter what opinion we will listen to today, tomorrow or the next day, everybody's probably right or they're making a very good argument. And that's all you can do. For this though, I think this comes down to the owner and I think it comes down to the owner himself. And I think that I read a few quotes where he was kind of deferring a lot too to Henry, depending on what Henry would like to do, we push ahead of Henry says we push ahead with Henry thinks this will push ahead. And I thought that that was just a little bit in need of a second round of thinking because the guy has to kind of roll it forward two or three years. And when he's sitting in his armchair kind of on a Saturday or something and he's just having to think about it. Does he want a 16 and one does he want a 17 and two? Does he want the 17 and three? And he's the owner and it's his job to protect her legacy. And nobody is wrong. Nobody is wrong. What Mark says is right, what you say is right, what status is right, you know, whoever else you spoke to. But punters are pointers, they'll always want to be entertained, they'll always want to gamble and trainers are trainers, they'll always want to win. Like Henry dubrov head and that elite level of trainer is all about winning. You know, they are obsessed by it. And he will believe that he will get a right and he'd look, and I'm not saying he won't. He will believe
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"It's two from 28 in terms of winners. For his last number of runners, one of those winners was a surprise at 20s. And that might put a fresh perspective on things. Maybe they are just isn't quite firing and she probably needed it. And also just before we came on air, Mark you had a very interesting piece of info from time form that puts into perspective just how good this year's renewal was of that and grace comparing it to last year's. Yeah, I think going into last year's renewal of the Hatton's grace. Honeysuckle had a time form rating of a 165. But that's a master rating. She's still got that time for master rating of a 165, but going into last year's run in the Hatton's grace when she beat Ronald pump, she ran quite a long way below that. She ran 11 pounds below at best, but still managed to win that race. And she recorded a rating of a 154 there. Now interestingly, when we compare that to this year's contest, she's finished third, but she's actually only run in terms of figures three pounds below her winning mark from last season. And it could be perhaps that she needed the race last season as well. She just wasn't facing opposition that was as strong. She faced a couple of new shooters that she hadn't faced before, really didn't see hoopo and classical dream. And, you know, I'm now erring towards giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying, at 8 years old, she may well just have needed the room. And she traveled every bit as well as she normally travels and emptied out in the manner of a horse who just looked short of peak fitness to me. So I guess the thought long and hard about this the past week and on reflection, I think I'd be prepared to just give her the benefit of the doubt for that one. Yeah, I'm the same. And it was very disappointing to see her beaten. She was going for 17 out of 17, but my view on the Hatton's grace, and I said this on Monday show, that's a better renewal than last year's. She was taking on two new form lines in classical dream and tipo. Tipo loves soft ground and it brings out the best in them. And Rachel looked devastated as they crossed the line, like the way her head went down, it was also paddy asphalt made a really interesting point. So I could have just stolen it and used it as my own. But it was an interesting observation. They've tackled her out wide. It's almost Giant's Causeway observatory all over again. Don't eyeball her because if you do she'll respond and she'll find that little bit more. Instead, both Tia poo and classical dream are having their own little battle out wide. And she then wasn't able to respond to that. Even if they had been alongside her, maybe she wouldn't have. But I would not be, I think rumors of honeysuckles demise are greatly exaggerated. That being said, though, Darren, your perspective on her claims, constitutional is obviously gone very, very short price with beta for the champion hurdle. He is currently 1.4. Honeysuckle, 9. What did you make of her return? What do you make of her prospects for the Irish champion hurdle and the champion hard itself? I think the first point that I'd like to make to be honest guys is that I think she should be retired. Okay? And the reason that I do is that for me, the risk reward doesn't add up. So we participate in a sport where everybody's opinion is valid. And no matter what opinion we will listen to today, tomorrow or the next day, everybody's probably right or they're making a very good argument. And that's all you can do. For this though, I think this comes down to the owner and I think it comes down to the owner himself. And I think that I read a few quotes where he was kind of deferring a lot too to Henry, depending on what Henry would like to do, we push ahead of Henry says we push ahead with Henry thinks this will push ahead.
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"And ten to one, but I wouldn't give up hope right yet as I and you mentioned as well, it was a much better renewal of the race and the top two on our day are very, very good. And it was new form lines for her as well. She hadn't faced Tia poo before and to be fair to your colleague government McCarthy from beta was with me and the chat and preview the Buddha mangan hosted up in most we absolutely love that night and that's where I met Katie young and Katie's been on the show a few times kitty used to work with Gordon. And she was unbelievably bullish about tipo for the champion Harlem. To such an extent that it was almost making me go cheese. Do I need to reevaluate my thoughts on the champion hurdle and back this horse? The bullishness from the Elliott camp about tipu for cheltenham was off the charts. And as you said, he's disappointed twice and then suddenly everyone's forgotten the fact that he was 9 for the champion hurdle and you couldn't give them away on track yesterday. He was 18, he ended up going off 20s. So it was there that he has the class. You go back to Gordon, I know duras is over fences now, but torso had won during the week. He had slammed Dora so at York park in the red mills. And he was hugely impressive at Christmas time as well. He's a proper race horse when he gets his conditions. Soft ground is key for him. Classical dream, as you've mentioned, multiple grade one winner, top class horse on these day. The problem for honeysuckle is it doesn't get easier because by the time the Irish champion hurdle rolls around, which is going to be her second stars. She's probably going to face statement who's another new form line. She might be facing the bond, don't know what William Mullins plans to do maybe for Bond. We'll go down to the Tia purus and head for the red mills. Who knows what the plan is there? Possibly sir Gerard. We don't know Patrick, I asked Patrick Mullins about this last week on the pod. Will he still hasn't decided if it's fences or hurdles for sir garage? And maybe with honeysuckle being beaten, maybe he'll swing back around now and go, 'cause I think he might have been leaning towards fences after constitutional hill did what he did, but maybe he'll go back again to hurdles now. So the fact is that the opposition doesn't guess easier for it. It's going to be more new form lines more new blood that she has to take on. But if she can come back to the horse that she was in last year's Irish champion hurdle, of course she's going to take all the beating and she still is the standard setter and that ten to one is going to look ridiculous for the champion hurdle. The problem is it isn't going to be as easy and there's suddenly a question mark hanging over, which we just haven't had about her before. Not yet, your dad wrote, there is a big question mark. It's the first time she's faced the feed. So it is an overreaction. But just back to the winner, he is my host. I just no doubt about that. He was very good when he won the red meals on similar enough ground yesterday when as you say, hammered to raso and clearly I think it was back in toward that race. That's right. And that came off the back of a grade two race on heavy ground at limerick. And I was just looking at this forum. Earlier on this morning, his boot record runs very hosted. Even a grade two, a great tree, and he was second, he wanted made greater, and he was second integrate to Jeff kidner around there. So that's his tour win as far as he goes from four rooms with a second in between them. So hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when you see the price event off at 21 it was a bit of value, I know you were on some of the shrewdest were on, as they say, but look, yeah, it could be it made a shaken up America a bit, I suppose, people were just really thinking about it on chase and what a couple of the horses and then you might look back and go, maybe it might not be my go to the jump in order but look you still have constitution here to be there. So yeah, it's going to be torn at Christmas spot. I think to finish up on our I think if she's not a 100%, she won't grow up. I must have looked like I was on crack in the stands yesterday because I went from cheering on honeysuckle, purely from the sporting perspective of it. Because it's like the last time you're going to get to cheer on aside from being at the DRS, please God will all be fitting well. And we can cheer on there. But you're cheering on Rachel and go, come on, honeysuckle, and the next thing. The horse I've actually backed comes into contention after being off the ride and I'm like, God damn. I must have done everybody looking at you going. Now here's one of these clowns, the fact 7 horses in the world. Why didn't I just if I started roaring on classical dream as well? What the fuck is this guy? Come on the winner. Of a nation strike us. You have a corporate. Good old bed Victor have taken off my best odds guaranteed, so 18s had to do. I just thought the 18s was too big, and I'd backed him without the favor. And I thought that was that was a big enough price, but I would say to you beforehand that in my head, I was I had I had thought out to do the reverse forecast, and something kept on nagin away and going, why would you put 20 quid on a reverse forecast on honeysuckle is definitely going to be in the first two. And it paid a hundred to one. That's where you paid a hundred to one. In terms of tipo, I'd love to see him back at Goran for the galmoy. That would be ideal in my mind. What about you, where would you? Because ground is going to be key for him. Unless he has matured and it's going to be better. Gordon was saying last week and he was saying in the racing post yesterday as well that the softer the ground, the better. So I don't see any reason why that's changed. Galileo heard along on tasty's day would be ideal for him in my mind. What about you? Yeah, I think he will step up. I think if step open trip, all his wins, there are some sort of Asian ground, isn't there like there's a heavy disease to solve. Yeah, like at this stage, if you were to see stairs or RM champion horde, I'd be edging towards the stairs, I'm not sure what about you. He's beaten rain and jumping, I suppose, for the IV agents versus there is definitely one of them. Yeah, I don't think he's fast enough for two miles for all that they liked him an awful lot last year. I think the additional step up and trip here and going further. He wasn't stopping at the line. But in fairness to him, he's not slow, he's one of great deal on a great tree over to a mile so we should not flow. And look, I'm pretty sure he'd be entered in both county and we'll see how the ground is close to the day if it's bottomless like he probably would go in the in the champion and then wait and see some of the big ones throwing up again
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"The arc is. Definitely. Yeah. But when they just, when they just badge names by sponsors with no other reference to it, it just becomes so confusing from year to year, doesn't it? Just give them heritage names and then put the sponsors in there as well. While seeing as it's now December, we can once again say, bring back the name Bueller. At the Shelton Christmas meeting, thank you very much or early Christmas meeting, shall we say the international hurdle? What a load of water nonsense. But this fellow this fellow was devastatingly impressive a corn park. We were falling over ourselves here on the show to get excited about how good he was. He was perfect. It was over two and a half. Yeah. And then back to the trip. Yeah. And bring him back up again. So I think they know they have a proper horse. And there was a novice chase that weekend on the Friday that he was also in and everybody thought he was going for the two mile four and I was chasing the Friday and Joseph O'Brien and I presume Kevin had other ideas. No, no, no, no, we're going for the article trial. And he has utterly destroyed them. So he's coming in race fit, plenty of experience, a cheltenham festival winner who's been flawless and two starts over fences, and he's not favored. Thanks very much. 3.75 band bridge I'll take that all day long. I'm expecting a big run from adamantly chosen. And keep an eye out for hollow games, but that's going to be a fascinating run. The Hatton's grace. I'm sorry. Had you been talking to somebody there that said that they weren't going to run them on winter ground. So in December and January. Joseph has said that himself that he doesn't want to run him on heavy ground, anything with heavy in the description no. And I got the impression from what he was saying on racing TV that he doesn't really want to be trucking him out too much on soft ground. He's very much okay. He's very much he's a horse for the spring. Are you already a children festival winner? It's quite intriguing to me that the Martin pipe and the Martin pipe should never be dismissed anyway. Because Don Polly started to shop, they've taken that galapa de champ, created for the gold cup. They've all taken the Martin rouge. But bambridge is the current winner from hollow games whose apparently gonna go to Navin instead, but is already 6 to one for this race. 5 to one effect. And adamantly chosen, who was fellow at the back of the tell you that day. And it's subsequently been favorite for the Galway hurdle. Three horses from that race all in here at a single figure price for this race. That's a really good race to look back on. But this fella is he's proper horse. He's a proper horse band bridge. And I'm amazed. I'm delighted. We're getting the price we are. He pays for the weekend, I think. Gets, I'm very, very foolish, but him. The Hatton's grace. Gentlemen, this is the last time we will see honeysuckle at fairyhouse. It's the probably fourth last time we're going to see her ever. As she bids for a historic fourth consecutive win in the Hatton's grace, she's unbeaten in all of her starts and she's an absolute star. For the first time in his career, classical dream will take her on. And that's really all about the market. That's where it stands. Tia poo would be intriguing, but come on, it's honeysuckle. You don't have to have a bit in this race, and I don't think many people are going to want to. She's a very primitive price, 1.33, but constitutional has done what he's done. Now we want her to come out and put on a bit of a show as well. She never wins by too far, but she did win this by 8 lengths last year, so Darren, what do you expecting on Sunday? Yeah, look. We kind of touched on it at the very beginning of the show in relation to constitution hill. You know, there's plenty of people that will just wait now until kind of Sunday Night on Monday to have a more informed conversation about a potential clash. You've got to leave a comment now, do her thing, can see her getting beaten to be honest. Henry is an incredible trainer. He's going to know her insight out. And classical dream to me is kind of a bit of an enigma to in and out really to put up a challenge. I'm going to enjoy honey suckle if people were interested in embedding without, you know, I think there might be an interesting market there. I'd put up ashta bob for kind of betting without in that market. He's a gelding that I like is he's 7 by Shan two and there was a nice kind of prepper on there I thought really in terms of blowing out the cobwebs in Navin earlier in November has reasonable form with classical dream and run well in Sheldon prior to that. So I think if people were looking to have a bed, I wouldn't be kind of saying, you know, honey suckle, you don't do those types of things. You enjoy a trees on shot doing her thing. But I put up a bar if people were looking to do something. Mark, your take. Yeah, I think what we're all hoping to see here is punish so called just return a very best put on a show and show that she still got it at the age of 8 and that she's going to be a worthy worthy champion and a
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"One. Yeah, great. Maybe he's not good. I don't think he's a better horse than Sergei personally. I think Sergei is a better champion hurdle prospect overall. So I think we're going to see him. And we won't edit this out when he's not declared. And this entire conversation is rendered useless. Who is the most likely winner? Oh, in terms of the horses, I think, will turn up, probably Sharjah. Was to run. Then I would side with secure hard. I think the official ratings are interesting here, aren't they? Because Sega had read a 155, which is four pounds below state Manhattan. I think he's probably I'm kind of with use more talented than both of those two I think. Yeah. Definitely. Him him and verb on are probably the two most talented in the field to me. I think urban does need to push a peace jumping. I think he would be better off starting his season probably in lesser company, given that he's still a four year old. The options might be limited though as to where he could actually go. I'd be with segue hard if to go have showed up. I actually think that I don't think he will. I think Saudi Arabia and echoes in ring will be the three that turn up. And of those throughout then be signing with. It would be very funny for anyone that's just decided everything goes. Just run them all. Run them all. And then we'll pick things up afterwards and decide what to do. I think we'll run. And I think he'll win. And then he's on the champion hurdle, bandwagon, and we've seen constitution he'll win the day before, and we get honeysuckle out a week later. And we're all getting very excited. I would love to see Sergei win this. I see him in the race and see him go and win. In a field that comprises Jesse Evans, Saudi Arabia, Tia poo probably. Tipu's not out of this, by the way. You know, disappointing each other. Disappointing, a bunch of town, but I can't believe for a second they were actually indicative of the horse's form. It had all been good up to there, and very, very, very good up to there. Maybe cheltenham was just too much and left a mark on a bunch of times. Sometimes Gordon sources don't really fire up punches down. So and Casey has talked about just how phenomenal the sources work was. Gordon has spoken about that as well. So I would be very intrigued in him, and I think he's an interesting player, but Sergei is the one that I'm hoping, man. I'm open. For the painting balance for the dream with a 21 champion hurdle dream to be alive. He needs to be out this weekend. And I would like to see him win, bush. It's going to be fascinating. I mean, it's going to be a big conversation in terms of let's say it's sir Gerard statement verbal. Whichever of those three were to win this race. The obvious comparison is going to be, well, how does that stack up against what constitutional did at ask? And that's going to be a very interesting conversation from one day. A very, very interesting conversation. But I'm hoping it's so Gerard and I think he's 14 for the champion hurdle and he'll probably take another swing at that. And then be cry my asos one. If he's not declared. So yeah. Proceed, wait for him to be declared, then release the clip, fire a few bullets into the champion hurdle to post market, and let's see what happens. Right, best bet of the weekend for you, Mark. Best, best, best best, but the best bet and the next best, please. Oh. The best bet will be in the three 15 so Scottish. Let's go. And the next best and I think you kind of talked me into this, I think, because I wasn't intending him to be an expert. But now he is. Saint calvados in the two O 5, taking on one press. Damn. Let's go. Let's go. I'm gonna put up saint calvados as a next best as well. Actually, better not. Better not. Leave that to you, but I am backing him. So this is a win only bet. Oh. Will that becomes more tricky? Screw it. Let's try shoot the lights out, shall we? So in our win only lucky 15, we've got. We've got San cardos and you've gone for so Scottish. I will throw in wrinkly. In the better exchange series handicap hurdle. And musical slave. Oh, I can't go musical slave. I can. I can, I can. Yeah, musical slave. In this three 35. And I'll go musical slave is my best musical slavers might map and Brinkley's next best. We're shooting the lights out. It's easy. It's a simple game, Mark. Why do people come together? Just back winners. It's not that difficult. It's the kiss acronym, isn't it? Keep it simple, stupid. Here
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Yeah, you know, we think she is, she don't incredibly well. And as you say, she don't beaten galaxy big brilliant for us. And we should feel very lucky to have her. The race didn't exactly go to plan, I would say, and yet Rachel always had the confidence in that it was a bit of a modeling pace. And it clearly affected some of her rivals. And this was a champion hurdle that was having a lot of new form lines like you were taking on again and epitaph was very much back and forth and Nikki was talking her up and his horses ran great at cheltenham, but you were taking on the likes of appreciated adagio, Tommy's Oscar, Tia poo. These were new former lines coming into the rice. Some of those horses connections may say they were inconvenienced, but honeysuckle would have been inconvenienced as well, and yet Rachel wrote her with that supreme confidence that she hasn't in the mayor that she just knew she was going to win. And you could tell she was going to win from quite a long way out, despite the way the race was being run. It was brilliant on her yeah, look at themes no matter what way the races are on so far she can still be able to win them. Last year, they absolutely flew, I'd say south of Nasser who had already got it, but those I thought of the way to Friday was this year. It brings up its own much more into play. She seems much better on better crimes on the team the whole time and got a hold of the race and was able to dictate so I thought she was very she was brilliant and how she did it. Rachel was brilliant daughter. And yeah, just shows her class. Did my Chapman come up to you afterwards and apologize? They didn't return me back to say what I thought. It's great to have a better fund. Yeah, that's a billion. Average entitled to their opinions. So I mean, I think what I was trying to get across was obviously they need a lot of ability, but it's time to add it to its so much more as well. You know, she's having to turn up every time when we want her. Yeah. I think the only race touch what I hope I'm not attempting to take by saying that we have to mess with the marathon when she was a 5 year old. She got a bit of ringworm. You know, like so that's just testament to our assignments and her top list that does not many horses that do that. These are all attributes that make her what she is. Yeah, I could understand the argument and indeed it was one that we made ourselves. My view on it was you can't beat honeysuckle. So look elsewhere in the without market. And that's how I was approaching it. But I certainly wasn't saying, oh, she's beaten nothing. How you can say that is beyond me and I thought you handled it really well with luda on racing TV and I love the tweet as well. Interesting that he texted you and didn't go up to you and shake your hand and say, well done. But obviously.
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"I'm hi everyone, the activity back. Great to have you back. Particularly given the fact that you have written out for Richard Faye, one of the best trainers in the UK and Ireland, also the fact that you are retraining a racehorse so that will all come into play a little bit later on with a certain topic, but we'll begin with goshen. The enigma that is goshen, but is worried that argue said on the show on Thursday, but he's not on anything we go in right handed. Jamie Moore said to said on racing TV that he turned to Tom scooter more two out, which proves jockeys do talk to each other during races. You've got me. And yet Gaussian managed to rally and get the job done. What did you make of his performance overall? And for that matter, of adagio. Yeah, well, first of all, goshen was superb again, wasn't he. He's come out and one again. And he's come out and want to get encrypted session because it wasn't that long ago that he won at sand down and got back on the store sheet. So delighted for the Moors and delighted for everybody involved this horse because I think whilst they're winning, they can hopefully carry on and I think that's the momentum that he's got now goes in. I mean, he won this race and he last year by 22 lengths obviously a bit of a shorter margin. This time around, but I mean, he dictated, didn't he and he jumped, he jumped pretty well on the whole and he was just able to make all the running and yeah, never seen another rival, although the horse back in second, as you mentioned there, Tom skewed them all. Pretty confident. And he wasn't beating that far. David pike talks and I think all roads now lead to cheltenham for that horse and they seem pretty confident about his chances. So that's quite an interesting sort of thing to take from the race I thought, but yeah, I got him back on someone once again and it was great to see. Yeah. I mean, we have to put into context adagio is coming into this on the back of a 97 day break where he finished second under a welterweight in the great wood. And I believe that the stables Lake horses out for races all the time. But it was a brilliant training performance from Dan skeleton to win that race. And it had been the plan. They were working west cork to that race for quite some time. So we know what adagio is. I don't think there's any issue with what he's done. The intriguing thing about all of this is that he was 7 to one without. For the champion hurdle. He closed to 5 to one, after we talked about him on the final furlong. And Rory said, the best thing to do really is it look ocean is going to win this. So when adagio gets beaten, they'll drift them, then back. He closed the force. It's further proof. We know you're the colloquy team always listen, but we know you're listening on its compilers. And do you think that his champion hurdle claims were enhanced on the back of this virtue? Well, yeah, I mean, well, I'll say yes, because bearing in mind, I think he's pretty short price and enough as it isn't he for the champion hurdle. So he certainly sorted in price so people would think that it has enhanced his credentials and what you'd have to think of is how confident the team have come on the back of his second place behind goshen here. I mean, David parks come out, hasn't he and spoken about how all these children, they're very, very positive. I mean, all being well, he's also got to get there in one piece. And I think the fact that he has had that injury or something that held him up in the past, they are obviously mindful of how, well, he's going to go into chat and obviously monitor his training up until then. But yeah, I think for me, I get the impression that the team are very, very confident and perhaps people have taken that on board as well because his price is short enough, I'd have thought in the champion hurdle market. Yeah, best price you can get now is 16. He was 33 is not that long ago. And I've said it all along all this season that I think he's the each way back in the race. And I'm very intrigued by goshen is what goshen is. Steve pakman said that the gelding could go up in distance again next time. And possibly be switched to fences next season? Sure, Jamie Moore can't waste. Obviously he's going to be keeping to write on the tracks. And it's nice that the ability is there that the ability remains intact because sometimes you'll know this very well when horses go through phases of being hammered, you're being beaten. They'll start to down tools, or they'll start to get a little bit depressed at the fact that that's what's going on. Like you were conquering all. And now you're not. But now we know that this is always who just does not want to go left handed. It's as simple as that. He doesn't want to do that. So as you said, he beats on for someone 22 lengths in this race last year. After that they went to cheltenham, you'll remember he took the white course. It was like watching Jack recoup corn park. But the wrong rail that came over to punch us down, that didn't work. Which should have. He was tried up and trip. They've dropped him in trip and he ended up getting beaten both times at ascot 11 lengths in 18 links, respectively. He was beaten in a three runner race, but it was a lot more like it behind Bruno for storm. And then he bowls up in the stupid contenders hurdle. But this is much more like it, I think. This is a stronger race, a more solid race. And I'm delighted for them. It's great for them that he's back in the winters enclosure, but intriguing that there are two graduates of the triumph fertile goshen won't go for the champion adagio will, and I think him coming in fresh, this was his second run after a wind off. I think he's a player. I think he's a big player. And clearly, Gordon Elliott feels the same thing about Tia poo. Now we have to get his pronunciation. Somewhat right, because it varies from country to country. But I believe it's tipu. So we'll go with that. He ends up winning the red mills trial by 11 lengths. Real talk disappointed appreciated didn't line up here? I thought that he might and considering that appreciated it is the four to one second favorite for the champion hurdle. And Willie Mullins has come out and said, well, we're just going to get them ready at home. Willy's a genius. He trained penhill to win the stairs hurdle first time out. He tried Cova to win 5 mayors hurdles first time out. The first one she won had she had a prep. So 6 in total but 5 first time out. No horses ever won the champion hurdle on their season of appearance. And he was meant to go and that was chasing and that had to be aborted. So I don't like his prep and I don't like his prize. I like the horse. But in this instance, don't like his prep, don't like the way things are. Tipu was the one who got the plot. It's the best price you can get about him. Is tens. It would very few. It's there, but it's with very few. He's generally 8s. How impressed were you with tipu? And bear in mind, this is a race where hardy eustace finished second beaten ash the shortest of short heads,.
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"tia poo" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"I'm hi everyone, the activity back. Great to have you back. Particularly given the fact that you have written out for Richard Faye, one of the best trainers in the UK and Ireland, also the fact that you are retraining a racehorse so that will all come into play a little bit later on with a certain topic, but we'll begin with goshen. The enigma that is goshen, but is worried that argue said on the show on Thursday, but he's not on anything we go in right handed. Jamie Moore said to said on racing TV that he turned to Tom scooter more two out, which proves jockeys do talk to each other during races. You've got me. And yet Gaussian managed to rally and get the job done. What did you make of his performance overall? And for that matter, of adagio. Yeah, well, first of all, goshen was superb again, wasn't he. He's come out and one again. And he's come out and want to get encrypted session because it wasn't that long ago that he won at sand down and got back on the store sheet. So delighted for the Moors and delighted for everybody involved this horse because I think whilst they're winning, they can hopefully carry on and I think that's the momentum that he's got now goes in. I mean, he won this race and he last year by 22 lengths obviously a bit of a shorter margin. This time around, but I mean, he dictated, didn't he and he jumped, he jumped pretty well on the whole and he was just able to make all the running and yeah, never seen another rival, although the horse back in second, as you mentioned there, Tom skewed them all. Pretty confident. And he wasn't beating that far. David pike talks and I think all roads now lead to cheltenham for that horse and they seem pretty confident about his chances. So that's quite an interesting sort of thing to take from the race I thought, but yeah, I got him back on someone once again and it was great to see. Yeah. I mean, we have to put into context adagio is coming into this on the back of a 97 day break where he finished second under a welterweight in the great wood. And I believe that the stables Lake horses out for races all the time. But it was a brilliant training performance from Dan skeleton to win that race. And it had been the plan. They were working west cork to that race for quite some time. So we know what adagio is. I don't think there's any issue with what he's done. The intriguing thing about all of this is that he was 7 to one without. For the champion hurdle. He closed to 5 to one, after we talked about him on the final furlong. And Rory said, the best thing to do really is it look ocean is going to win this. So when adagio gets beaten, they'll drift them, then back. He closed the force. It's further proof. We know you're the colloquy team always listen, but we know you're listening on its compilers. And do you think that his champion hurdle claims were enhanced on the back of this virtue? Well, yeah, I mean, well, I'll say yes, because bearing in mind, I think he's pretty short price and enough as it isn't he for the champion hurdle. So he certainly sorted in price so people would think that it has enhanced his credentials and what you'd have to think of is how confident the team have come on the back of his second place behind goshen here. I mean, David parks come out, hasn't he and spoken about how all these children, they're very, very positive. I mean, all being well, he's also got to get there in one piece. And I think the fact that he has had that injury or something that held him up in the past, they are obviously mindful of how, well, he's going to go into chat and obviously monitor his training up until then. But yeah, I think for me, I get the impression that the team are very, very confident and perhaps people have taken that on board as well because his price is short enough, I'd have thought in the champion hurdle market. Yeah, best price you can get now is 16. He was 33 is not that long ago. And I've said it all along all this season that I think he's the each way back in the race. And I'm very intrigued by goshen is what goshen is. Steve pakman said that the gelding could go up in distance again next time. And possibly be switched to fences next season? Sure, Jamie Moore can't waste. Obviously he's going to be keeping to write on the tracks. And it's nice that the ability is there that the ability remains intact because sometimes you'll know this very well when horses go through phases of being hammered, you're being beaten. They'll start to down tools, or they'll start to get a little bit depressed at the fact that that's what's going on. Like you were conquering all. And now you're not. But now we know that this is always who just does not want to go left handed. It's as simple as that. He doesn't want to do that. So as you said, he beats on for someone 22 lengths in this race last year. After that they went to cheltenham, you'll remember he took the white course. It was like watching Jack recoup corn park. But the wrong rail that came over to punch us down, that didn't work. Which should have. He was tried up and trip. They've dropped him in trip and he ended up getting beaten both times at ascot 11 lengths in 18 links, respectively. He was beaten in a three runner race, but it was a lot more like it behind Bruno for storm. And then he bowls up in the stupid contenders hurdle. But this is much more like it, I think. This is a stronger race, a more solid race. And I'm delighted for them. It's great for them that he's back in the winters enclosure, but intriguing that there are two graduates of the triumph fertile goshen won't go for the champion adagio will, and I think him coming in fresh, this was his second run after a wind off. I think he's a player. I think he's a big player. And clearly, Gordon Elliott feels the same thing about Tia poo. Now we have to get his pronunciation. Somewhat right, because it varies from country to country. But I believe it's tipu. So we'll go with that. He ends up winning the red mills trial by 11 lengths. Real talk disappointed appreciated didn't line up here? I thought that he might and considering that appreciated it is the four to one second favorite for the champion hurdle. And Willie Mullins has come out and said, well, we're just going to get them ready at home. Willy's a genius. He trained penhill to win the stairs hurdle first time out. He tried Cova to win 5 mayors hurdles first time out. The first one she won had she had a prep. So 6 in total but 5 first time out. No horses ever won the champion hurdle on their season of appearance. And he was meant to go and that was chasing and that had to be aborted. So I don't like his prep and I don't like his prize. I like the horse. But in this instance, don't like his prep, don't like the way things are. Tipu was the one who got the plot. It's the best price you can get about him. Is tens. It would very few. It's there, but it's with very few. He's generally 8s. How impressed were you with tipu? And bear in mind, this is a race where hardy eustace finished second beaten ash the shortest of short heads,.