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"Thank you will be one of your many favorites. We like that. If you have a question you can text for 15 88 10 or call us at 88. 80 88 Dr. Chen Hong. I recently read that where I live here in Sanoma County. I'm sitting in Petaluma. 40 people have been vaccinated and tested positive for the coronavirus that seemed like a lot to me when I read it, but reading on in this article, I guess that number is expected. And it is not a surprise to medical professionals, though I'm sure some people saw that. And they thought Oh, what? Why would I bother getting vaccinated? If I'm just going to get it anyway? Although I think it means you won't die from it, But can you talk a little bit about why that happens and what that means. Yeah, definitely came. So when you think about 40 people out of more than 100,000 people cinema who've gotten pulled those says that it's two doses of the vaccine. Italy that's less very much less than 1%. If you look at the trials in the best case scenario, 95% of what he expected. You would think that 5000 people would get out of it with that With those numbers, so 40 people, you know pretty good and expected. In fact. Better than expected. If you think that none of the folks died, None of them got severe covert 1% thing with hot wise, but very briefly s. So that means that it was very severe, and it's amazing, actually. So I think of it as a silver lining, and it means that in the trials Way, see one result, but it means that in in re life, it's turning out to be just as effective. It's not more than in trial. Is that why there's a continuing talk about keeping mitigations up like social distancing and masks even after you've been completely vaccinated, because you can still get it. Some people think. Look, either you're vaccinated or you're not. And if you are And if you are being asked to believe that vaccines work, then why do you need to still take other precautions like masks and and distancing? Why don't you just once you have the vaccine? Why is never free for all? Exactly. So that's exactly when you leave the house. You need to keep up your Mask wearing on mitigation factors, and because The more people you get together, the more noses and mouths you get together, the higher the chance that you're going to bring two people who didn't respond to the vaccine together. Very, very low statistics. But more likely, the larger the crowd. That's why in your own home if you're entertaining, vaccinated food you can party like it's 2019, but not necessarily, although outside your home I was just reading an SF gate today that there are a lot of U. S states and cities that have a growing surplus of Corona virus vaccines, as many as one in three doses going unused, and that's crazy to me because I just had dose number two yesterday of the visor. But for weeks and weeks, I could only find vaccine appointments and like the Central Valley, Hanford and Bakersfield. I was trying so hard to sign up and finally ended up getting appointment in Santa Rosa. But I don't know if you know this could be a problem. If people in other states and cities are not lining up and these doses air going unused, and if that's the case, why don't they Take him to states like ours where people are desperate for it Exactly. I mean, I think the redistribution of that scene's across state lines of something that currently being addressed. Implicitly even more than that they were situations where college students from nearby states weren't able to get back to it. If you're going to college in a great state because of the roots around states, I think we need to take a broader view and Think as more and more people get vaccinated. You see these blinds between states blur on guy who's just like you do that. There's three distribution across states for the people who really want them like Michigan, for example, on by people who are a little bit more on the fence at this moment. Let's talk a little bit about kids. I have an 11 year old daughter shall be 12 in the summer. And I'm very encouraged that she may be able this summer when she turns 12 to get vaccinated. And I just heard Paul Rodgers on our local newscast. Talk about testing being done on kids here in the Bay Area. What do you know about that? And what do we have to look forward to? When might we see this happen? So in terms of individuals under the age of 16, I will divide that institute groups. Those that are 12 to 16 and those under 12. The folks 12 to 16 like your daughter was 10 12. She's most likely going to be able top vaccines available in the summer because that data is already there. It's under the FDA every year. Right now, the data looks really good. First of all, there's not much of a safety. Signal in terms of more such adverse events and kids and then Secondly, the response is just really tremendous. The kids the age of 12 to 16 actually developed twice of many antibodies against covet than young adults. So it all looks good. It's right now. It's under FDA amendment to the refuse authorization for Peyser, so it means that it should be faster to approval than if they just sent in a package the first time Okay, well, there's that that stuff is still undergoing. There's a Chris that five sites I think in the country. Stanford is one of them for kids under 12, Okay? I want to ask you about your kids younger than that. This week. Something else happened in San Francisco and hearing in, at least in Petaluma, If not the rest of Sonoma County. We saw kids go back to school. My kids went back to hybrid learning for 2.5 hours, four days a week and As my son walked away. I just I got really choked up emotional when I didn't even realize I was going to not knowing if I was making the right choice, not knowing if he was going to be safe. So what are we looking at us Forest are little kids getting vaccinated? Or is that even on the horizon here? Yes, I think my gut feeling is that the timeline will be accelerated greatly, even though there's a bump right now, with change a for the whole country because Operation want speed creep purchased more than a billion doses of vaccines in general from five companies, including AstraZeneca, that hasn't been approved yet. Liver back, which is the Maryland company. So what it means is that the only limiting factor beyond summer for kids on the 12 is really going to get Vaccine supply, and I think that's going to be here on getting that data again from the studies that are currently ongoing and started this week with a lot of people who want to talk to you, but you just mentioned the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I wanted to ask you about that, because there's less than a one in one million chance of getting in the blood clots that we've heard about, and I'm wondering if you agree with the CDC. His decision to recommend stopping those vaccinations with J and J. Yes. Oh, that's a great question came so I think the TV he was called between a rock and a hard place always have to get my expressions, right? Um, And the reason why is that If they didn't stop it, then people would say, Oh, they're trying to cover up stuff because these reports that have come out Anyway, if they continue If they continued on if they stopped it, then people think. Oh, you're sending the wrong message You're gonna maybe increased acting hasn't see. Um maybe, uh, it was too premature sighting. Well, whatever you do, I think it was right for some reason to them for applause with the ball. It's kind of like a time out. We have to really investigate these six woman find out if they had other reasons to get caught. Figure out if there's enough data. In the country that maybe hasn't been reported yet, because now they're making people aware of this. Look at that overall data then say, Should we bring back gng, which I think the answer's? Yes, but should we bring back to pancakes are restricted group of the population because we have too many vaccines coming down the production line, and I think that may be with ends up so it may be that Silky will bring a change, eh? For those above 50, or maybe everybody except woman under the age of 50. So those are some possibilities that The immunization advisory board called the C I. P is mulling over right now. Dr Peter Chan hyung, UCSF infectious disease specialist on the line with us right now, let's take some phone calls. Because Daniel and Hayward is wondering if he is going to need a booster shot after getting.
Pfizer Asking For Vaccine Authorization For Children Ages 12 to 15
"Today, Fizer asking regulators for permission to extend authorization to kids as young as 12. The Food and Drug Administration initially authorized the Fizer beyond TEC vaccine for use in anyone over 16. Fizer has been conducting clinical trials in those younger than that, and said the vaccine is safe and effective for 12 to 15 year Olds. Visor is now asking the FDA to amend its emergency use order to allow adolescents to be vaccinated. Guys who said it hopes to expand authorization of its vaccine in 12 to 15 year olds as quickly as possible. NBC's Aaron Carter
Space Force Field Command to Be Located at Los Angeles Military Base
"Angeles Air Force Base will serve as a field command site for the U. S. Space Force Governor Gavin Newsom, saying today the military will establish the space systems command at the base near Los Angeles International Airport governor said in a statement. The field command will have nationwide authority over launches and procurement.
Biden willing to compromise on $2.3T infrastructure plan
"Is paved with roadblocks for the Biden administration. The $2 Trillion tab is the first hurdle President Biden pushing back on Republican complaints that he's including too much in his infrastructure plan School your child is in. So has this pestis in the walls likes the ventilation. Said it not infrastructure Republicans, insisting it should just rebuild roads and bridges and not raise corporate taxes. The president insisting he's ready to talk and compromise and the field. ABC NEWS
'Double Mutant' Coronavirus Variant Detected in San Francisco
"Just found that double mutant variants in Northern California on Do you know if you find it there? You know, it's everywhere, You know? I mean, it's the way these once we find it. In fact, this one is even more transmissible than the first variant. And the double mutant variants setting against Sounds like something that from some horror film and you know it isn't all of this from a horror film was doing it for a year. It's all a horror film. Well, I make you Here's a horror film
Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate
"That suggestion from Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen as the Biden administration seeks to increase the corporate tax rate here at home to help pay for its massive infrastructure plan. We're working with 20 nations. To agree to a global minimum corporate tax rate that can stop the race to the bottom. One of the goals to keep US businesses from relocating offshore. Derek Shoven absolutely
Sierra snow pack at 59% as 'drought-like' conditions continue
"Below normal for this time of year. That's important because the snow pack provides about a third of California's annual water supply. Shawn to Guzman, with state Department of Water Resource is says they'll be watching closely to see how much snow melts into rivers and streams and ends up in our reservoir, Orville Is currently at 53% of average, and Lake Shasta, which is California's largest surface water reservoir. Is that 65% of average statewide, California's largest reservoirs are on Lee soaring about half of their total capacity. He has California got more snow and rain this winter, so they're anxious. They're I should say more snow than rain this winter, so they're anxious to see how much snow melts as the weather gets warmer. It's opening night.
White House hopes to see infrastructure bill passed by summer
"Plan to be introduced in Congress by Memorial Day and passed by summer costing trillions. It would cover roads, bridges, airports, train terminals and expand broadband access. Paid for by tax hikes on large corporations and the wealthy White House press secretary Jen Psaki. I will say that in the wake of the 2017 tax bill tax giveaway to corporate America, I should say 91 of the Fortune 500 companies paid no federal taxes. No. Zero Senate Republican leader opposes to Bill Yesterday's office massacre was not random, says
CDC director warns of "impending doom" amid COVID spike
"90% of the adult U. S population will be eligible for a coping 19 vaccination and 90% will have the vaccination site within five miles of home By April, 19th. Our work is far from over. War against covert 19 is far from one This is deadly serious, and the CDC director concerned about an uptick in cases, the U. S is now averaging more than 60,000 new Corona virus infections each day. That's an increase of more than 10.5% In the last week, CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky said she has a feeling of impending doom has so much to look forward to. So much promise and potential of where we are and so much reason for hope. Right now. I'm scared, she says she's asking people to hold on just a little longer here just almost there, But not by that. Dr Lynskey blamed surgeon cases on increased travel, relaxed restrictions and new variants of the virus. Brian Clark ABC News in
Thurston County deputy in stable condition following surgery
"County deputy is in stable condition following surgery last night after being stabbed during a confrontation with the man who she then shot at he was airlifted to Harborview Medical Center. Almost Joe Marina was at the scene and initial call to 911 took a very terrible turn here in the elm. Someone was reporting an unwanted person in their home who refused to leave on Holly Street southeast, but Thurston County deputy showed up to try to help. But within two minutes of her arrival, she radioed back in saying she'd been stabbed and had fired at the man. Who attacked her. That deputy was taken to a hospital in stable condition. The man was taken by helicopter. The harbor view, of course, just set off a huge response to come to that. Deputies aided to also render assistance to the man who she'd fired upon at least 20 units is what neighbors who are telling us that they saw go in here. Begin a deputy stabbed in stable condition. A man taken harbor view in what was an officer involved shooting here in hell.
Thurston County deputy stabbed, suspect injured in officer-involved shooting outside Seattle
"Month Thirsty County deputy is in stable condition following surgery last night after being stabbed during a confrontation with the man who she then shot at. He was airlifted to Harborview Medical Center. Como's Joe Marina was at the scene. Initial call to 911 took a very terrible turn here in the elm. Someone was reporting an unwanted person in their home who refused to leave on Holly Street southeast, But Thurston County deputy showed up to try to help. But within two minutes of her arrival, she radioed back in saying she'd been stabbed and had fired at the man who attacked her. That deputy was taken to hospitals in stable condition. The man was taken by helicopter. Harbor view, of course, just set off a huge response to come to that deputy's aide and to also render assistance to the man who she'd fired upon. At least 20 units is what neighbors who are telling us that they saw Go in here began a deputy stabbed in stable condition. A man taken harbor view in what was an officer involved shooting.
Thurston County deputy and suspect hospitalized in Seattle area after officer-involved shooting
"During a confrontation at the home in Yelm tonight. The deputy is in surgery right now, and the man was airlifted to Harborview Medical Center couple strolled Marino's live in Yelm tonight with the latest on this investigation, Joel Very impressed. India. That deputy we're told, is in stable condition as she undergoes surgery. She is in her thirties. The man in his forties, was taken by helicopter to be treated at Harborview. It started as an unwanted person report here on Holly Street Southeast. It's some ways down. This is a kind of a dead end street that goes several blocks down, so we're only seeing one end of it. The call came in and someone who was in a home who was not welcome at that home. The deputy showed up, apparently at some point she was stabbed has happened to shortly after eight o'clock. And she then began firing at the subject is what we're being told. I talked to some neighbors who said that they heard a pop pop pop, so at least three gunshots is what we've heard from a couple different neighbors. Who were in the area at the time that this happened Now there is a very large police presence here. At this point, Neighbors told us they've seen at least 20 patrol units that goes well down the street here. We have not had any access down to the house where this happened. We have seen some deputies going around interviewing neighbors collecting additional information. But again, a deputy in her thirties, responding to an unwanted person call at a home here showed up was stabbed. Began shooting at the subject that subject taken by helicopter to harbor view his condition. We do not know at this point, but again, the deputy in stable condition We'll try to get more information from neighbors.
Judge mulls requiring PG and E to turn off power more frequently
"PG and E is criminal probation is considering requiring the utility to be more aggressive about turning off its electricity lines. This plan would add more power shut offs near tall trees and would at least double the number of power outages in six Northern California counties. California power regulator Laters are opposing this plan, they say it would impose undue hardship for residents of the six mostly rural counties. The judge, though, says he's leaning toward adopting the measures to save lives. The
Becerra confirmed to shepherd Biden's ambitious health plans
"California Attorney General Javier Becerra to be president Biden's health secretary on this vote. The yays or 50, the nays Air 49. The nomination is confirmed. Is there a feel feels like he position and the administration's covert response and in his, it's ambitious push to lower drug costs, expand insurance coverage and eliminate racial disparities in medical care.
Disneyland to reopen on April 30, Disney CEO Bob Chapek says
"And Disneyland in California Adventure will open their doors next month. Disneyland has set their re opening date as CEO Bob Che Pak told CNBC that both of Disney's theme parks in Anaheim will open to the public on April 30th. Now. It's unclear what the allowed capacity will be by that date, but most likely either 15 or 35%, with mass requirements and other health precautions, also in
Digital artwork sells for record $69M at Christie's
"Tease. The price tag for some digital artwork is starting to rival classic paintings from Picasso and Monet. Mike Winkelmann. He's better known as people created a montage of 5000 days of digital art and then put it up for auction at Christie's. It's sold for a record $69 million unique Blockchain based digital image is part of the non fungible Token World, or N F. T s are still being shunned by many in the art world as a speculative fat butt. Eight figure price tag for the people has certainly caught the naysayers. ATTENTION By Mark Nieto. This report sponsored by Exit inaccuracy matters. Get a $5 rebate by trading up any non contact
Defense Secretary OKs request to extend 2,300 troops at Capitol in Washington, DC
"Wire around the capital. And why today did our defense Secretary Lloyd Austin Approving request from the Capitol police. To extend the deployment of National Guard members to protect Congress. Into May. That's what happened today. The number of guard members will be reduced for about 5200 to 2300. As part of the authorization by the secretary of defense. What do you understand? The force is left are approved through May 23rd. And it is
There was no mass exodus from California in 2020
"In person instruction. Our schools New research from a nonpartisan think tank. Finding the popular notion of a mass exodus from California last year didn't really happen. The California policy Lab says. Most of the moves during 2020 happened within the state. The research announced this week found departures from the state were consistent with historical patterns. But the biggest statewide change was that fewer people moved to California. The lab says San Francisco did experience a unique exodus at the county level, but that most people remained within the 11 County Bay Area Economic region, some left for counties in
New York Senate advances bill to repeal Cuomo's emergency powers
"The $1.9 trillion Covert rescue bill in New York State Senate lawmakers voting today on a measure to strip Governor Andrew Cuomo's emergency powers under the pandemic, Cuomo was facing multiple investigations of sexual misconduct allegations and a federal probe into his handling of the nursing home deaths in the state 43 days. 20 bill is passed along party lines, The state Senate passed a bill that stops Governor Cuomo from issuing any new pandemic directives. Without the Legislature's approval. It is clear That we need to move toward a system. Of increased oversight. Democratic Majority Leader Andrea Stewart cousins Republicans, like Daniel Step called for a full repeal, calling Cuomo somebody that has been caught. Lying and covering up to us. The check on the governor's power followed accusations he
"thurston" Discussed on Hello Monday by LinkedIn
"Comes lack of loneliness comes connection of a different kind you know physical communities can be very isolated. So, the Internet providing almost literal lifeline to people more is. is newly possible uniquely possible because of this tool and so yeah I don't I'm not in the camp of like Shut it down completely not lead or Neo Luddite but I think I am in. camp. We have to exercise our power and we've. Engaged so much said like all the Internet over there. Those people make that we can make that decision. We built something different. We still can, and we're always going to be wrestling with this. Because there's nothing perfect in this world. That was Barrington date Thurston. You can find him online at Barrington date dot com. And his new show how to citizen Barrington Day premiers next week be sure to check it out. So it's August. It's that time in August winning normal year. Half the people I know have their out of office on their emails. But this isn't a normal year of course. So, this week on Hello Mondays office hours were talking about the last Hurrah of summer summer twenty twenty this summer. It's almost Labor Day weekend in the states. You might be on vacation or barbecues are parties. But this year, they may be happening in your own backyard. But. We're still playing it really safe. Are you? Join me and our producer Sarah Storm for our weekly office hours Wednesday afternoon at three PM Eastern you can find us on Lincoln live by following me Jessi, hempel on link. We, hope to see their. And now, if you like the show, please rate us on Apple podcasts, it really helps new listeners find us. Hello Monday is the production of linked in the show is produced by Sarah Storm with help from medicine. Shaffer. Joe degeorge mixture show foot. Is Head of original audio and video Dave pond us our technical director, Victoria Taylor and Juliette Pharaoh our beloved members of our collective. Our music was composed just for us by the mysterious brake master cylinder and you also had music from Paddington bear. Dan Roth is the editor in chief of Lincoln. JESSI hempel. Thanks for listening CENEX Monday. I remember that we've met a Dole, remember the meal. But what do you recall of this alleged meal? I feel a little bit better recalling nothing about it apart from really enjoying it laughing a lot. I. Think some friend introduced us and it was a wonderful lunch and then. Then we never emailed again. I Friend Day. Gone Wrong I. Guess. No we had to accomplish so much that we needed that that to breathe and it was it took eight years and we finally exhausted the good energy in. Karma from that..
"thurston" Discussed on KGO 810
"Packed Thurston spends hours researching for her daily, no nonsense interviews with doctors, authors and politicians. So by the time she gets to wear last hour on Friday afternoons with film critic Tim Sica, some overage maybe gone. Why is it that goofy stands upright and talks And what's the name of the other dog? Fluto Ploo toe? Doesn't he acts like a dog? Why is that? Um, I don't know if a tree falls in the forest. When nobody's around here. It doesn't make a sound on the path. That's deep waited. Somebody text that to you something. May I just want to know what are they thinking? You got two dogs? One of them has all these human characteristics wears clothes. And then the other one is just a naked dog on the ground, and I don't understand how they came to that mall here, you'll thank goodness. She gets weekends off Fat Thurston noon to three on KGO 8 10 Hey, 10 traffic. If you are in the East Bay, Heather has a heads up for you just got an overturned for Oakland from the Children Auto body Traffic desk. It is reported to have spun and then rolled and the wheels are in the Sky West 5 80 Connecting to North found at 13 West 5 80 was the best alternate through Oakland. Keep in mind that North found 8 80 is just a path from the Coliseum to downtown, and that's because of paving that starts 1/16 Avenue. 8 80 North bound goes down the three lanes, the Broadway and, Oh, cramps are closed as well. And this goes on until three o'clock, you'll find an injury accident North Wanna one before the Lawrence Expressway in San Jose and South Bound 17 still rough ride to that's to say it's a crawl from before Idlewild to just over the summit for maintenance. And out of San Francisco. It's heavy on the sky way to the Bay Bridge. Her kgo 10 weather forecast is for more cloudy skies tomorrow. Temperatures like two degrees warmer, so just a touch warmer around the Bay area highs in.
"thurston" Discussed on KGO 810
"Thurston I have news for everyone and I'm sure this is going to take you by big big big surprise the corona virus is still out there posted nineteen is still in our midst and in some places including in the state of California the numbers are growing the numbers are getting higher New York kind of makes things look different because in New York was hit so hard and they took really tough measures and as a result their numbers have come down but because they had such high numbers anyway it distorts what's going on in the rest of the country if you just look at the country wide figures out we've got a lot to talk about concerning coded nineteen and toward that end a doctor Peter chan Hong is joining us once again I'm just so happy that he's here with us and giving us the benefit of his expertise Peter chan Hong is at UCSF and he specializes in treating infectious diseases he joins us now in the Pat Thurston show doctor Chen hung thank you so much for being with us today thanks for having me on Pat and I love the entrance music to it kind of sets me in the right mode well we want you to be in the right mood I have so many questions and so I think I may start with my last question because I just found out that the FTI the FDA has authorized the first test that looks for mutations in the virus and I think that's really good but up until this point how did we know if and how the virus was mutating yeah that's a great question I think it's been a controversial point typically took the east coast the vehicle is so different from the west coast disease and there was some initial thoughts that the west coast disease because well like China and the east coast of these look more like Europe and by the time I got to Europe I think that moved a little bit and you know it's about you about people a little bit makes the body with hard to prove that sure at the end of the day no one really knew but I think with time and with looking AT mutations we quickly you can get more clarity about that yeah and at this point are you concerned about those mutations do you think that there's anything that's substantial enough though we have to be worried you know I mean I think right now we look at new patients up to help us figure out where the virus came from but I think the body is acting the same way to the virus and more importantly I think we think that a vaccine for one type would work for all type because essentially the immune system that we build to what all of the different flavors so far anyway seem to be the the right immune response so that doctor Chen hung doctor us out she Anthony Fauci he was on television last night and he said that this virus is his worst nightmare and he said that this virus is worse than HIV a partly what he was talking about were concerned about long term damage that we are beginning to realize I may be taking place including neural damage that it might actually end up being permanent can you tell us a bit about what it is he's talking about that would make covert nineteen worse than HIV and do you agree with him but I mean I think the worst part is could be worse than several factors I mean one one area that I think that sticks out to me from the beginning of the social realities of cove in nineteen and you can see that in the south American academic impact people are opening back up even though it's in the middle of raging right now top American not because it's somebody that people need to take heed and there's so many you know people of low socioeconomic status as a proportion of the population in South America that that people are having a hard time even getting food so I think that search on vacation big much broader it's much faster moving than than HIV in terms of you know going out across a large swath of the world and then in terms of the long term effect we beginning to learn some about them I I think that neural damage it's probably a little bit more speculative at this point a long term but to me what we've been finding out is that just like with other viruses sometimes when people recover they may not still have symptoms so and those symptoms could be disabling for many people kind of like you know tired nets and are some of the you know not being able to get your call part of bad that physical apart from the mental and mental health record questions that we talked about the fourth so I guess it unprecedented because it affects so many of us so rapidly it really targets you know it's some authors show L. and you know it here for a while but I think all of those things make it very close and what about the impact on children has there been any change in in that how children can be affected by it yeah so I think one of the the discussion but a lot few weeks ago in the U. S. with New York especially hard it is seeing that kids after they might have had bad maybe they went did not but we were not really sure what some kids spend a few weeks later they come in with this where the syndrome of heart disease and maybe some inflammation in the blood vessel again it's very rare but they've been up you know all of a little over a hundred cases in New York at about close to a hundred in all of Europe upbeat kids coming in later on with this syndrome that nobody really understands that it looked like another kid infection called Kawasaki is where you get an infection and then later on the are you reading responses to wrapped up that it causes damage in your blood vessels Dr Chang Han Kim in the cage in his room and I just I wanted to ask you we have summer camps opening up I just got an in message from my son's little league team saying they're going to resume for the summer and then you have schools re opening I know you can't make the decision for me but if it were your children would you be sending them to all these things right now what are your thoughts on that I mean I think it's really tough and it depends on the context of it put some accounts with hundreds of kids running around it's different from like a more controlled setting with a smaller camp it's almost like you know not all kinds but equal in terms of when you think about Kobe Bryant and then you kind of want that that the account of it I. Q. if you want to think about it that way so do the organizer of believe that because it is an issue people actually build on think of it this year do they have right the Texan for the kids are they going to you know keep kids yet the product much as possible you know kind of what you're with them is Dan Akan palletizer and you know places for them to wash their hands and when they close together you know depending on the community you're you're still kind of want them to wear masks and as long as the kid of about two years old they could wear mouth safely so not the kid would want to weather market than if you so wish schools re opening they're giving people the option do you want to.
"thurston" Discussed on KGO 810
"Pat Thurston program straight ahead on KGO good afternoon I'm Pat Thurston ten he is with me he is movie critic extraordinaire so yeah I I was just checking our text messages because now I get text messages I know you do I know sometimes I just go crazy on it and this week I've kind of been bad but.
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"Thurston we had gosh a week ago maybe a week and a half ago we had a lovely woman called the station called the show and she was having issues she was having issues with her kitchen sink and that she was she was staying indoors she was sheltering in place and she was concerned because her and sync was stopped up she couldn't use our kitchen sink she needed to use our kitchen sink and she didn't know what to do she was afraid to call a plumber because she didn't want to infect anybody who came into her home and she didn't want to be infected by anybody else who might come into her home and so she was asking what she should do now what we did as a group because that's what kind of what we do here on the show was we all came up with all of all forms of advice for her I haven't heard back from her but I think maybe the things that we recommended worked I suggested that if it was a grease clog that it might have been that she boil water and start boiling water down her drain and there were other people who made suggestions as well some of them included dawn dishwashing liquid and baking soda but you know you start thinking about these things what you do if you are sheltering in place and you need help at what point do you call a professional and when can you do things on your own so we looked around a bit and we have asked Spencer Ferguson to join us for a few minutes here on the program he's the CEO and owner of Mr rooter and he's going to answer some of our questions about plumbing concerns Spencer thank you so much for being with you with us today I appreciate it hi yes I do have a may I appreciate a likewise so I see that your numbers in the five one oh area code but I went to I just Google to Mr rooter they seem to be all over the bay area are are your is your company all around the bay area or you just in the East Bay yes Sir Mr plumbing the franchise to there is a mystery that service yeah that service the the U. S. all locally owned and operated franchises locally so our office we serve the greater Oakland Berkeley area is Albany Berkeley you can you can also read etcetera down Hey word and then to Fremont even as well and we've got franchises that cover every city in the bay area here that will cover any city here yep all right well let's let's do the nitty gritty first so if somebody really has a plumbing issue and they have to call for a plumber it should surely you're considered essential because you know you can't just leave drumming issues to fester and get worse and sometimes your home becomes a livable if you don't case take care of the problem right what do you do to protect the people whose homes you're going into right now in light of the crisis and what should they do in order to protect the plumbers who are coming into their homes yeah appreciate that yeah so you know when this crisis first came you know crashing down upon us we had to figure out what we're gonna do what do we do to keep our employees safe and our police families our customers safe and it's limiting value levels even within our shop of our technicians and managers working here some people it's going to be fine others are you know quite nervous we had to come up with a good plan to be able to make sure that we keep everybody safe some of the biggest things that we've done is keeping things clean writes all about the surface to surface spread of the virus that we want to knock out the along with the social distancing now we gotta get in somebody's home the first thing that we're going to do before I go into the house to the right but latex gloves on vertebrate shoe covers on we're going to put a face covering on before we go in we're gonna talk to a customer Hey can you please help us keep that six foot distance thing even when we have to come into your home okay and once we come into the home before we start any work we disinfect the area we want to do that to keep ourselves safe good after we do our work then will disinfect the area again to keep the customer safe after we've left once we left the job we've completed the job we don't have any paper invoicing everything's electronic so it's off to a tablet we want to collect signatures that people don't want to touch your iPad where they would typically sign with their finger so we've actually went out and purchased a bunch of stylus pens good we keep them in a sanitized back that we don't put our hands into a fist a pen out each time the customer can grab the pen out of a clean bag that had been touched by anybody and they can sign or iPad they could keep that pin number done so kind of you eliminates that touching.
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"Thurston on KGO eight in and and yeah we of course are talking about covert nineteen and of course we can get back to your telephone calls I don't cut anybody short though and I took David K. Johnston a little bit long so let me give you just a real quick update here at least about the bay area and periodically the stats that I give you may have been updated to date usually these are you know most of the information comes out once a day and so let me just tell you some of what's going on there is Laguna Honda hospital has closed they have a full lock over him clothes because they have a full lock down there were five staff members there who came down sick with corona virus this is a seven hundred and fifty percent facility in San Francisco that serves some of San Francisco's most vulnerable people they the authorities there the officials there say that it's absolutely necessary to contain an outbreak that took place in the facility I'll tell you that the five people who contracted corona virus our staff members they are not the residents the majority of these residents are over sixty five years old the majority of these residents do have serious health conditions there you are these residents are no longer going to be able to reach entered the hospital they will continue to have access to outdoor areas of the campus and this is a this is there were four nurses one worker and environmental services unit it is a stamp is astonishing to me that no patients have tested positive yet but as of Tuesday only fifteen out of seven hundred and fifty patients had been tested for the virus all fifteen tested negative but you know that's not a very good sampling of that number of people who are at risk so let's see what we come back we're gonna check.
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"Now more Thurston on KGO exam I got to the phone I want to go to let's see I'm waiting on this then we came over last weekend welcome to KGO and re gay are you with me I don't hear him do it you should we go to rob in San Francisco okay rob hi welcome to KGO hi Pat it's great to hear your voice I haven't listened to KGO much these days since they had the last blood letting people I'm glad yeah the most recent one when they left Brian Copeland go and I'll tell you a lot rob I know I know so yeah it's everything seems so abstract to people I think that that's why they they don't really listen to the advice and they think it's not gonna happen to them because most of us don't know anybody directly that has gotten this and I think people are just going out you know like people instead of just going out like it's a vacation we live close to a couple of playgrounds and a lot of people on nextdoor than complaining about how packing these playgrounds are with kids you know sharing all the services with their little germs and everything and complaining and nobody's getting the message day after day they say well the playground was packed again finally people started to email the mayor and to the people that reckon park and now there's finally a sign up that says the playground it's been closed but it took that over and over again trying to get it into people's heads Hey you gotta listen to the health care experts because this is the real deal yeah it is you're you're absolutely right I think that when you talk with people how many people know somebody who has been diagnosed I know this I know to somebody through somebody you know it's like six degrees to Kevin bacon I'm two degrees from it but I don't know anybody who has been tested positive right now I know famous people and I think that's one of the reasons that the people who are famous people whose names we now I think that's one of the reasons that they're trying to post information about it so that we can say that any person in any walk of life can that can get this thing but I don't think that we have necessarily done a really good job of explaining to people how quickly this can move from person to person help help help fast this can move into something as bad and as deadly as what they've experienced in Italy and and will have private province in China in your mind I think the people are recognizing the real threat that is posed there in the United States and most of the world really hasn't had to make any kind of sacrifices that are close to this we haven't had anything the the memory of the nineteen eighteen flu is gone we don't have any hardly anybody that's alive today they could tell us what that was like we haven't had World War we haven't been asked to do any kind of sacrificing it all that about me me me and now we're trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle and maybe will come out of this a better society for at least a short period of time when we realized that we are all in this together yeah I'm I'm so glad that you called because it really is crucially important people begin to recognize how serious the threat is and I think you're also right that we're not a society that's used to making sacrifices for the greater good and it's time we became familiar with that we'll be right back on KGO two two special.
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"I'm Pat Thurston well in light of the corona virus I know that I have mentioned previously the the Spanish flu pandemic from nineteen eighteen how awful that was had deadly that was and we've made some comparisons although there are no real comparisons to make yet in my mind because there's so much we don't know we don't know how this is going to go Kenneth C. Davis is on the line with us you know can he's on the program a number of times he's not just an historian he's an amazing author and they just so happen to have written a book not long ago and the book is called more deadly than war the hidden history of the Spanish flu and the first World War and because right now corona viruses on our minds and we are watching how this is going to end up affecting not only us but virtually every country in the world I thought to be a good idea to talk with Ken about the Spanish flu in the lessons we might be able to learn from that Ken thanks for being with us today thank you Pat it's always a pleasure to be with you and the first thing I want to say before anything else because I've heard it already when people come on the radio or talk about this this virus or past pandemics is that where fear mongering and I just want to make it very clear that when we talk about the lessons of the past and we look at history and what we can learn from it it's the opposite of fear mongering we are trying to take the lessons of history and make something valuable and useful of it that may in fact save some lives so I think that's a really important point to get out there up front before you know I get that kind of reaction of your did you know he just out there trying to scare us to sell books no I am I want you should be scared not panicked but you know healthy fear and this is a serious health issue that is global assets the Spanish flu pandemic was in nineteen eighteen and there are a lot of things we do know and we can do I want to say that I was looking up some data on this because you and I talked about the Spanish flu in the past and years ago I had the chance to talk with one of the virus hunters his name was Johan Hultin he has since passed he was old when I talked to him but he was one of the virus hunters who investigated the Spanish flu and he told me an awful lot of information he's the guy who dug up the body of that girl in Alaska the frozen tundra of Alaska and he was able to actually extract virus from her body that they could use to study and there were a number of things he told me one of the things he told me was one of the things that made it such an odd and prolific flu was the people that it affected normally the mortality is pretty much limited to the very young and to the very old and in this case it healthy young men the rate among healthy young man I had skyrocketed in comparison to any other influenza is that what you have you understand it too absolutely and and that's what was strange and unusual about this from the beginning before they even understood it was influenza that separation steps at the table here a little bit Pat but you're absolutely right it was killing especially young men who were going into the army bases in early nineteen eighteen that had been set up around the country more than thirty content once they were called they were the equivalent of boot camp as we would call today and the United States in nineteen seventeen when it declared war in in Europe against Germany had no army of spies technically I mean there are hundred thousand soldiers overnight they need a million soldiers right away so they set up these camps and in the spring of nineteen eighteen hundreds of thousands of young men were forced into camps crowded Barrick I can't some times and unbeknownst to them this virus happened was making its rounds so it appears first in an army base in Kansas soon spreads to other army camps and it's just as you said it was affecting these otherwise healthy young men and they were drowning in their own body fluids they were choking turning blue in fact called it the purple death at first because the Spanish flu name wouldn't come until much later so there was a lot of mystery about this thing that was suddenly killing young men who were then getting on to trains troop trains and going to ports and getting out to ships and being shipped to Europe by the hundreds of thousands one million young American soldiers doughboys as they were called landed in France and you can almost watch the the spread of the contagion in the spring of nineteen eighteen from the port in France where these U. S. soldiers are landing it didn't originate in the United States we know that we still don't know where it actually came from but certainly the fact that these young men were then going off to war when there were supply ships going around the country and people were getting on trains and moving from one army base to another and ships were going into ports to take supplies is what spread this was the first global war and so the globalization of the war help spread the globalization of Spanish flu which eventually killed between fifty and a hundred million people worldwide in about a year's time six hundred and seventy.
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"Thurston senator Scott Weiner is going to be joining us in studio soon he should be here within I don't know five or ten minutes I wanted to give you some information though because you know when information comes out the same correct I think it's really important that we corrected in this case what we're talking about is the CDC and funding to the CDC there have been claims that have been made by a number of people including some of the democratic presidential candidates I'm not sure Bernie was one of them but Warren was Biden was Bloomberg was one that the trump administration had cut the budget of the centers for disease control and prevention the CDC that is not exactly correct and that's what I wanted to fix here the budget that Donald Trump has presented for twenty twenty one his budget request but this has not been enacted his budget request would indeed trim funding for the CDC by almost sixteen percent HHS officials say they want the CDC to focus on its core mission of preventing and controlling infectious diseases and on other emerging public health issues such as opioid abuse officials proposed to take the money that would normally go to fund individual dis from disease prevention activities and bundle it funnel it excuse me into a single block grant to states the budget says chronic diseases like heart disease stroke and diabetes have common risk factors and thus consolidating funds can help magnify the public health impact so the budget reduces overall funding from global health up for global health from five hundred seventy one million to five hundred and thirty two million in twenty twenty one officials carved out an extra fifty million for global health security those are measures aimed at disease detection and emergency but that bump was taken out of of the of the budget for the international HIV aids programs that's being cut by fifty eight million dollars and then fifty millions of the of that fifty million of that is going to the global health security now that's for twenty twenty one that's not to say that the administration has a proposed cuts to the CDC budget in the past they have Donald Trump proposed cuts to CDC in twenty twenty but it wasn't passed it was the Congress to stop it so he has asked for the CDC they're budgeting to be caught up but the Congress and we're talking about bipartisan support in the Congress for both the CDC and the N. I. H. so they wouldn't hear of having those budgets cut as a matter of fact for the twenty twenty budget the funding was increased it's also true though that in twenty eighteen the trump administration did fire key official officials who are connected to the U. S. pandemic response they were fired and they were never replaced yeah okay there's also there are also there were news reports circulating that detail the trump administration's cut by eighty percent of the CDC's program that worked in various countries to fight epidemics including China Pakistan Haiti Rwanda and Congo that was reported by The Washington Post in twenty eighteen the fact that those efforts had been scaled back I mean that's true that's real that was reported by The Washington Post that actually happened that was in twenty eighteen and so people are paying attention to that because of course China was where the corona virus outbreak originated and then it has spread globally after was first detected in Wuhan all right so there's that and I just wanted to correct it so that we understand that while he wanted to cut the funding to the CDC in twenty and twenty one it didn't if we don't have the budget yet for twenty one and the budget for twenty that cut was rejected in a bipartisan way from the Congress now we talk about how to rejuvenate it in China where is it today how many countries are afflicted does anybody know anybody anyone anyone I look this up because there were a few more that were added just today so course it originated in China you got Hong Kong you got like how you got Taiwan we also have a cases in Afghanistan Algeria Australia Austria Bahrain Alaris Belgium Brazil Cambodia Canada Croatia Denmark Estonia Egypt Finland France Georgia Germany Greece India Iran Iraq Israel Italy Japan Kuwait Lebanon Lithuania Malaysia Mexico Nepal Netherlands New Zealand Nigeria north Macedonia Norway Oman pack stab Philippines Romania Russia said marry is San Marino Singapore Spain Sri Lanka Sweden Switzerland Thailand the Republic of Korea United Arab Emirates United Kingdom United States and Vietnam yeah there's a there are you know I look at the map that they have and there are very few places that are left out I see nothing in Alaska I see on the Pacific coast of South America that seems to not have been affected yet or not yet detected most of Africa has not been affected Greenland has not been affected and there are some spots in Asia and in Europe that have not yet been affected but you know it's this is changing every single day this is changing and new cases are being detected there's also I just want to say this because I read about this this morning and I was absolutely stunned the testing kits were not reliable the testing kits the CDC sent out they didn't send out nearly enough of them but they sent them to some major cities in the United States they haven't been able to use those testing kits and it's so bad and now the CDC is saying we'll go ahead and use them there's a second part of the testing kit where it could actually make a detection of murders and sars because those two are corona viruses but they've told people to go ahead and use the testing kids some US states don't want to do that they're in the process of developing their own and New York has decided that they're going to develop their own because the CDC has been so bad at providing testing kits and the importance of this because right now the numbers that we're talking about in comparison with like the the influenza which is seasonal I mean it happens every single year there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people who died there tens of thousands of people die here in the United States of America during a bad flu season it happens all the time SO in comparison to those numbers right now the mortality is minuscule but these things start somewhere and before you can take really good steps solid steps intelligence steps to thwart it the first thing you have to know is where it is how widespread it is who's got it where did they get it kind of trace it back to the vector if you possibly can to determine if most of these things are coming from China we know now that there's a case in Solano where they can make no connection with traveler any person who did travel with this individual which is kind of scary it's scaring to a scary to a lot of epidemiologists because they need to know where the this woman contracted this disease and she's in pretty bad condition right now she's a she's not in great shape that's another thing when she first sought medical assistance she wasn't tested initially for this and there are a lot of medical care providers who were exposed to her giving her health care without taking precautions for infectious disease that may have prevented this up but it may have helped to prevent them from contracting the disease and remember what we said yesterday that sometimes coronavirus is a symptomatic to somebody who has it and if it is a symptomatic the problem is that person has no idea that their contagious them have any symptoms so they don't think they're contagious we need these testing kits and we need them in widespread use so that we really can't determine how big an issue this is it'll also give us a better indication of what the real mortality rates are because if we're going by wrong data if we're going by a lesser number and then we have the cases of mortality that means that we're talking about a two to three percent mortality rate when when you actually expose the numbers of more mild cases cases that are even a symptomatic the mortality rate could come down substantially but the infectious rate the rate that's being spread of pop a spread around could become substantially higher eighty eighty eight ten is the telephone number eighty eighty eight tennis got a bill in Los Gatiss Hey bill welcome to KGO tape that thanks again for taking my call I couldn't he at once I heard about the Mexico situation where those people came back from Italy and then a lot of people I'd realize flying to Mexico before they come up through our southern border I was thinking if we had a democratic president that had you know health care Medicaid for everyone Medicare for everyone and we had relaxed borders is a lot of them seem to want could we actually handled the numbers that would come flooding in here you mean people who are eight inspections sewer flooding in yeah just people in general worrying about getting it if it really does spread around in Mexico which you could very easily they would be going to where the health care try to get their health care taking care of yeah right well first of all I think it's important to point out that I don't think anybody in the democratic field and nobody that I've ever spoken to Democrat Republican or otherwise is supportive of open borders so people want to be able to control who comes into our country and how when you're talking about infectious diseases I think especially something like this I think you have to screen people but on the other hand I gotta tell you this if there are people who are suffering in neighboring countries who are suffering and if we have a way to detect that they don't if we have a way to treat which they don't if we have a vaccine which they don't I think it is incumbent upon us because of global health concerns you know that concerns every single one of us in addition to every other country in the world we have to be able to help provide those services not here in the United States but in those countries themselves so that they can treat their own citizenry if we had a Medicare for all of course our own citizenry would be treated much better and we would know that we would have access to whatever vaccines are made available for something like this in order to control it there would not be a cost concern for individuals here in the United States listen I'm on the break here I need to take a break I think Scott Weiner may be here and if so we're going to move to that but we will talk more about corona virus we're gonna be joined by Kenneth C. Davis at the top of the one o'clock hour I can wrote a book this a couple years ago and it's called more deadly than war and it's about the Spanish flu outbreak during World War one and horrible that was and the incredible mortality rate and how that spread so he's going to be talking us with what about that then we're gonna take a break here we'll be right back with state senator Scott Wiener you're listening to KGO they're still on KGO eight ten it's.
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"Now more Thurston on KGO eight ten the house managers are almost over with the time that they have to present their arguments in search of the subpoenas that would require a documents to be released so Lofgren has taken the lead on most of that and what was being requested of by of senator Schumer when he out he put this amendment and that he wanted this amendment to the house rules they want from the White House they want documents about trump's conversations with as the landscape records about concerns raised by NSC officials from the Pentagon they wanted documented memos about the unexpected freeze ordered by trump last summer the freeze of the military aid to Ukraine the O. M. B. that's the office of management and budget they want to documents and emails about the internal scramble to implementing justified that freeze from the state department they want text messages and emails exchanged by trump appointees including the secretary of state Pompeii about any efforts to pressure the Ukrainian government and from the energy department documents about then energy secretary Rick Perry's contacts with Ukrainian officials in his communication with other trump appointees about Ukraine eighty eighty eight ten is the telephone number eight OO eight OO eight ten let's go to bill he's calling from San Francisco Hey bill welcome to KGO yeah hi you know what yeah you know what this Republican of saying is that like is like the old G8 trial people you know the the common sense people or you know the old tree did the crime but he's innocent according to the courts okay so like let's see he doesn't get impeached the Democrats have stolen the grassroots showing show that why it is a crime because it what it is a surprise let's see if I work for Lynn county F. I. O. C. I'm not clinical approve your project unless you become third on the limit god is trying to be you know like of be elected official done I'm going for like to the department planning I mean I can see why people don't see that I was disappointed it partly by the articles of impeachment that that the house decided on I was disappointed that they didn't use language that was more specific that did make reference to crimes bill I wish that they had said something like it was a kin to solicitation of a bribe because bribery and trees and are part of what the constitution specifically lays out and it would put the lie to the argument that's being presented by Alan Dershowitz so I think they should have said that or they could have said it involved extortion that it was an extortionist attempt they didn't do that and I think it's biting him in the **** right now we'll be back this is KGO San Francisco I'm Paul Rodgers and Acadia news room will have a network update on the trump impeachment trial in just a moment also San Francisco police say the number of violent crimes is down uber is testing a new feature that allows some drivers in California to set their own fares test **** denying claims that its cars can accelerate on their own rain spreading over the bay area this afternoon details on those stories and more with Pat Thurston's straight ahead on KGO it's one thirty special report trump impeachment trial is long past time we start this so we can end this ridiculous.
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Thursday and later on in the program I have a two pairs of tickets were gonna give away to the horn blower horn blower cruises it's gonna happen I don't know exactly when but I'll give away one pair at a time of tickets so just keep listening you know a lot happened after I left the program yesterday got off the air at three o'clock drove home on even on my way home it just seemed like there were things that were already going on there were text messages that were released and that may be the biggest story that happened these are provided as part of Kurt Volker is testimony before the intelligence committee you member Kurt Volker quit his position he quit his position he was an I don't I can I forget what his title was an attache he was he was with the foreign service working in Ukraine any could his job because the the secretary of state Mike Pompeii had said that he wasn't allowed these people to testify before Congress and he didn't want that to happen he could his job which freed him up now you know what I'm putting words into his mouth and I wanna be fair we have assumed a lot of the people the punditry of assume that that's why he left he may not have and I'm not sure he revealed to the committees that he appeared before I'm not sure if he revealed to them why he decided to quit but he did quit which freed him up to go to the Congress and to go ahead and testify and not have to be bound by the decisions of the secretary of state in that process he provided these text messages and they are damning evidence again against the president of the United States I mean come on this stuff is coming from all over the place right now it's all coming in there are people there courageous people in government service were standing up and talking about the things that they believe are corrupt that are happening with in this administration additionally you know the inspector general so I was talking with mark by the IC IG and we. both love that title he's testifying right now before the intelligence cases behind closed doors that is the intelligence community inspector general he is the one who investigated the whistle blower complaint that got us all started on this and resulted in Nancy Pelosi announcing that a serious official impeachment inquiry was now under way but the inspector general for the IRS is now also investigating because there are claims that there are people who are interfering with the required process for the IRS to do automatic audits of the president and vice presidents taxes each year so this is a you know this is big and the things that are breaking are really really really really big okay back to the text messages what these messages they involve a number of different people but what they show is an ongoing effort by the secretary of state and mostly by Rudy guiliani to investigate will respond and to investigate the twenty sixteen election at one point a highly respected career foreign service officer questions if it's okay to be demanding this in exchange for the country's security. this as a matter fact I I say highly respected career foreign service officer he is actually the shop I want to say so shar J. to fair but mark Thompson tells me its charge d'affaires I don't know why we have to use the French word but anyway he is the senior officer the senior state department the senior foreign service officer in Ukraine for the United States and he questioned whether this was appropriate it was it when he was uncomfortable with demanding of these investigations in exchange for the country Ukraine's security the diplomats were pressing to have president Zelinsky commit in writing that he was investigating these two areas and to have an admit that it was Ukrainian not Russia who was behind the interference in the twenty sixteen election and they were trying to benefit Hillary Clinton they wanted to have that in writing they wanted to have a written statement that they could look at that I mean I guess maybe they figured they could go back to you if he didn't make those statements public before he made a statement they wanted to see if they wanted to see it in writing and then they wanted to fix that they wanted to correct that they didn't think it was good enough they wanted to include these other things Zelinsky was not comfortable with that initially it was a White House invitation that was being dangled that okay once we get this down once you make this statement then you'll get your invitation to the White House but then it got tougher and eventually became the aid money the aid money that we've been discussing so much at some of the conversations involved Gordan Sunderland he's the US ambassador to the European Union you know what I'm running really really late and I forgot that I was in a short segment so let me take a break here we'll come back and let me tell you just a little bit more about that will open up our phone lines to eighty eighty eight ten and let's check it out I'm Pat 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"That Thurston on. K G O eight ten. Anthony. And I'm Pat Thurston. Yeah. So we're talking about this school. We began the discussion with the school down in Los Angeles, where the kids here when there was this racist prom posible that became sort of viral. Where pictures went around everywhere. It caused a great deal of controversy. A lot of controversy. And, and one of the things that's coming to light is that these kids thought it was funny and, you know, a lot of the kids at this school in Palos Verdes, a lot of these kids think it's funny that racism 's funny and on the one hand, I want to say, oh my God is deadly serious. I mean, do you understand the history? Do you know the vile things that have happened? You know, because of racism in the name of racism on the other hand, I'm taking wide rather, they think it's funny, then he you know, believe the hey. Hate. And I'm not sure if you if you know, one thing, does overshadow the other thing, and then it got me to thinking about song lyrics and the fact that somebody said that, you know, the biggest audience is, is white people. I don't know if that's true. But I do know that huge audience white males, especially young white males of right now. It's teenage boys you walk into any high school. You ask these kids what they're listening to. And I, I will bet you a dollar to a Donut hole that the majority of the boys are going to say they listen to hip out music, and they're gonna name out all the artists, and they could tell you the lyrics. So what do you think is going to happen when they sing those lyrics? And those lyrics every fifth word is a racial epithet. They're singing the racial epithet, is that then giving them permission to have that word come out of their mouth. Is it going to make them use that word more frequently? And if it is, is it the worst thing in the world? I've been acting. Like it is. But maybe what it is, is. It's taking the power in the hate out of the world, maybe word. Maybe it's diminishing. The power that that word has held for so very long. I have zero answers, I am asking for your opinions on this at eight hundred eighty eight ten. Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to Sandra. She's calling from San Jose. Is it, Sandra? Sandra, sandra? Hi, sandra. You're on the air. Go ahead. You're, you're often by the way. I love your show. Thank you woke up on with regard to and word and song, and being used today, I do not feel that it's being used in that negative connotation that I was raised with I'm sixty years old. So then when I was born it meant, something different than it means today. So when they're singing about it or they're talking referring to one another, when you're walking by kids. They're not, meaning it in that way. So when I hear it I don't like it because I know the history behind it. Yeah, but when I hear it, I hear them talking, I know that they don't mean it in that way, if you wanna be it, does, it does it matter, if you're, if you're, you know, you hear a group of kids talking this way, does it matter to you, if they're using it, if it's if they're white kids are black kids. No. Because no. That doesn't matter because they're all the same song. Yeah. And their mind, all means the same thing when they hear it in the song, right, when it repeating it and the artists that are creating it they have to know that they're everyone's gonna be repeating one. Yeah. If you've been to any of these concerts, I mean, there's no song that they start seeing that the audience doesn't start singing with them every single beat. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. So I don't take offence. I know that people that don't I have a son in college? He's a freshman at UC Santa Barbara, and he has continuously reminding mom on down. Nobody. We do not care. We're not reacting to say man, your look, right here on. Don't do that. All right. Sundress under I'm gonna make a deal with you. When I get mad. I'm going to call you. And you can talk me down. Okay. Thank you, Sandra. That's one mom to another love that eighty eight ten is the telephone number eight hundred eight oh eight ten. Let's go to Eric in Oakland. Hey, Eric, welcome to KGAN. Protect about caller. You're amazing. Thank you. A couple of things here. You know, I'm a fifty year old African American male. College educated I mean, in and we use in order to friends like it's nothing term of endearment for young kids to use it in, in our presence completely disrespectful. The other component to it. And how it's failed and how they said, okay? Ending an e r really, really bad. I mean I went to school in the south that's how they say it in the south ending an a that's how we typically say multiple friends, if we're in a concert, you're in your car and you saying, you know, I really can't be mad at you just repeating the lyrics concert. You turn. Right say, hey my in what kind of pizza? Do you want? I'm gonna tell you I take offense to that. Yeah. Right. That in public. It just totally unacceptable. Okay. If an does it matter, again to you, it would be more offensive. I'm assuming if the person who turned around and said that to you was a white person rather than a black person. Oh, absolutely. In fact, I've had I had a Latino guy say that to you in line and Costco. Yeah. I had to think about it for about five or ten seconds. And after a young cat I said, you know, I really take offense to you then front of me. Yeah. Good outlook that any my bad. I saw good. You just don't know that I take offensive now, I'm five eleven two hundred forty pounds and I'm sure you didn't really want to take it to the next level. But I just told him in a very good way 'cause I take offense to you. Now order front of me, but I will say us with the with the letter ending and a right, which would better but still unacceptable. Let me ask you the question. Have you seen the movie blind spotting it's? I did too. Well, okay. So, so you have these best friends, one's black one's white Vive digs plays, the black man. I can't remember the name of the of the white actor, but he's very good. They grew up in Oakland divide. Digs had gone off to prison. He came back there bonding again. And they're walking through the streets of Oakland and they're upset about all the gentrification and the places that they knew going away, and that sort of thing. So the white friend who grew up with davita gigs, he's using the N word as much as divide is an as I was watching that, an initially it made me cringe, but the more I watched the movie, the more fit his character, and I didn't find it offensive anymore. What about you? That's an excellent point, you raised, and I think you have to kind of look at his journey and his struggle. He's dealt with the same thing to some African Americans have dealt with. He had an African American baby mother of mixed. They tend to jail. He's dealt with a lot of the same flights that the African American male is dealt with. But I think either the respect and the right to use the words only because he's walk the same path, they take an individual you take training day, for example, what they want. Awesome. Any use it throughout the movie. Chris Tucker, he was talking. He called. Jackie Chan my an throughout the movie blow, the situation where you know what your good friend to me. I'm tell you like. I see it and you're my end. Now that doesn't necessarily mean you can play my aunt back to me. But I'm accepting you on your plight on your journey with blind spotting. I think they've been I said, hey, I'm struggling just like you on a man and at this point you're my end. I wish everybody would see that movie, by the way, I think it's I think it was brilliantly done. And I think it was overshadowed by black clansmen, which was also a great movie, but very different. And that other one that I hated with the Horseheads, and I can't remember that one. So, but this one took place in Oakland. And it was it was, it was real. I mean, it was just such a great movie. And I hope everybody who can gets a season. It's called blind spotting. All right. Let me go back to your phone calls. Eight hundred eighty eight ten the number we go to John and Morgan hill. John. Hi, welcome to. K. G O. The call. You bet. Kind of one layer for on this. If you go back to the origination. And back with the albums, and back to the music back to the roots. There's a story there and it's understandable, you can learn. But today if you look at the demographic of hip, hop, yeah, it's eighteen maybe thirty I they're not stories. They're not music. It's just a one or two minute clip song. And they're just regurgitating everything else, they off of YouTube. So when our kids are walking around saying, all these things, and literally just regurgitating. They say the artist doesn't know what they're saying and the kids don't know what they're saying. So it's a very different perspective. Now, you and I it's not it doesn't have the soulful nece behind it doesn't have the reality behind it. Yeah. Stories. There's very little struggle, the struggle and say, I didn't get my Mercedes my gold chain. I didn't get my check, that's not a struggle. When my children here that they don't understand the roots in the story that you and I, we have a very perspective where a little bit more educated even around we've seen we've seen a lot, so. Yeah. It's not music. It's just it's a very different cultural phenomenon. But I, I cringe when I hear when I hear these words thrown out, and they don't even know what they're saying. It's cringe-worthy and what do you think of the kids in, in the white neighborhoods, who are singing these lyrics repeating? These words are absolutely unknowingly taking advantage of the community there in and just not even understanding what's going on. Do it. It's up to the parents. You know, I, I sit down I look at everything my kids. See and watch. I talked to him about it. We communicate we don't, I'd behind things I want answered questions because that's how they're gonna learn. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate your perspective. I will tell you that there are many times when a song. Oh, come on that, that my son is playing, and as it begins. He goes. Oh, no. This isn't appropriate and he'll turn it off. And he does that I think because he knows. I don't wanna hear that stuff. But I think he's also a tuned to what's being said. And I hope so, by the way, if you wanna see what some of these lyrics are do a Google search right now for lyrics. And the song name is stop snitching. It's. SNAT. C. H. I N not snitching snitching. And, you know, as soon as you bring up the lyrics, you're going to see what I'm talking about eighty eight ten is the telephone number, eight oh, eight oh, eight ten. Let's see. Let's go to Drake Drake is calling from Sacramento, Drake. Hi, welcome to. K G. Laughable to me because the words, not even the same. It's not spelt, the same as not pronounce the same and you know, generations have changed these days are not racist there, not instinctively, racist, you know, they get along with each other the jets fine. They don't even see it as a racist word. I think you know what we talk about it and his contacts. And I'm I'm fifty six years old time to stand what you guys are coming from. You know, I've had that work on be by police several times right there in San Francisco. So I know how artful the word can be. But they're not using it, and it doesn't have that meaning to them, you know. And we've had this conversation over the years time and time again, here we are back because song you're talking about if we move on Christner app. Now, I don't listen to a lot of hip hop. And, you know, so it's, it's not even a problem with me. But when I hear..
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"Thurston odd. K G O eight ten. Good evening. I'm Pat Thurston. Listen, I wanna talk to you about the people who are entering a congress right now, the Democrats who are entering congress. Yeah. You have all these a whole slew of people a lot of them were women who are elected during the midterms. You saw them wearing white at the state of the union speech that was made by President Trump. So we've seen them, and there's a lot of stuff between trash that's being thrown toward these individuals. Most of them young they're very very young. And they're idealistic. They have a lot of ideas. And so they're being called a lot of names. Of course, they're inexperienced as being assaulted. And they are inexperienced he's not seasoned politicians and for some of them. It's the reason perhaps that they were elected, but they are people who've been very active in politics, and there are people who have been very active in pushing a certain kind of politics. So now, they're being called, socialists. Even though they're not socialists, most of them who identify with that moniker at all. Identify democratic socialists. But the big issue that people are attacking right now, especially people on the right has to do with how radical they are Donald Trump uses the term radical with them all the time. How radical they are particularly when they talk about taxing the rich. Well, David Leonhardt wrote a column recently in the New York Times. And if you don't know him, I'm sorry. It was was it the times. Yeah. Was the New York Times if you don't know David Leonhardt, he's a former Washington bureau chief for the times, he was the founding editor of the upshot any one the twenty eleven Pulitzer prize for commentary for columns that he wrote on the financial crisis. So he begins his article here, I'm going to actually read this portion to you because it's important artists. Goshen. He says imagine for a moment that a presidential candidate made this speech, my fellow Americans. I'm here today to tell you about my economic plan each year, I will require every. Middle class family across this great country to write a check we will then pull the money and distributed to the richest Americans among us, the top one percent of earners who because of their talent virtue and success deserve even more money. The exact size of the checks will depend on a families income, but a typical middle class household will hand over fifteen thousand dollars each year this plan, I promise all of you will create the greatest version of America that has ever existed. Imagine that a presidential candidate made that speech, you'd probably consider that proposal pretty radical, wouldn't you politically crazy destructive. Well, those are the actual changes that have taken place in the American economy since the nineteen seventies economic output, which is what we call the GDP economic output output per person. Has almost doubled over that period since the nineteen seventies almost doubled. But the bulk of the bounty from that has flowed to the very very rich. The middle class has received relative crumbs if middle-class pay had increased as fast as the economic growth, the average middle class family today would earn about fifteen thousand dollars a year more than it does. And that's after taxes and benefits instead that middle class family, effectively forfeits the money to the rich year after year after year because the money's there. The economy has grown the growth has not gone to the people who are largely creating that growth. This is an extreme redistribution of income upward. There are a number of causes for their number of causes for it, but government policy plays a very crucial role tax rates on the wealthy have fallen dramatically. Labor unions have been undermined big companies have been allowed to just keep growing bigger and bigger and more powerful and more powerful. And you know what? And this is an important part of this as well. The United States of America has lost its lead as the most educated country in the world, we used to be the most educated country in the world. We are no longer. We are number six. It goes Canada, Japan, Israel, Korea, the UK the United States. Australia finland. Norway luxembourg. More often than not over the past forty years. Our government has helped the rich at the expense of every body else. This is big because if you look at history sort of in its entirety. The main reason that societies have declined is domination by a narrow elite that if organized society for their own benefit at the expense of the vast mass of people I didn't write that that was written by scholars Darren Asimov, Lou and James Robinson. And I'm going to repeat it. The main reason societies decline is the determination by a narrow elite that have organized society for their own benefit at the expense of the vast mass of people these scholars wrote a book called why nations fail. These are very important trends that are taking place that have been taking place over the last forty years. It wasn't like this in America before this is a huge change. It's almost like a one eighty that. Our country has undertaken though, it has taken about forty years for this to happen and more is coming. So you need to keep all of that in mind when you hear people critics of these new people in congress or journalists because journalists are doing it to they described the economic proposals of democratic presidential candidates and the New Democrats in in the house of representatives. They call these proposals radical. They're not radical not for the most part the proposals our efforts to undo some of the extreme economic changes of the recent decades and to ensure that most American workers not the narrow elite that we talked about before. But most American workers fully benefit from economic growth who can really argue with that the only people who would argue with that is the narrow elite and yet they're winning. They're getting their way on this. You know, our country is divided sharply divided on certain issues. You know, obviously when we talk about abortion and immigration, we're sharply divided on this. But when you look at a discussion of higher taxes on the wealthy higher taxes on corporations, more education funding and expanded government health insurance. There are clear majorities that support. Those things clear majorities. And it is I think we have to make abundantly clear that Americans don't resent success. None of us resent success. We applaud people who are successful individual. We want them to succeed. But by God, we do resent not receiving our fair share of economic growth, and we resent it as we should resent itself. Some Democrats have begun pushing for for example, a wealth tax the wealth taxes to reverse the upward redistribution of the last forty years. Elizabeth Warren has proposed an annual two or three percent tax on large fortunes. Bernie sanders. Has proposed a big increase in the inheritance tax now, these well taxes people are saying these are very very radical. You're just trying to tax wealthy people because they're successful. And they got their wealth. These are classic examples of policies that are less radical than what their opponents are claiming because you know, what do you know, who already pays a wealth tax middle class Americans. But they call it prop. Pretty tax. Yeah. Every year homeowners pay a percentage of the value of their house in tax and a house to most Americans is the biggest asset that people own the biggest asset most families on the biggest asset they are likely ever to own. And it is taxed it is their wealth. So if middle class families can pay an annual tax on their main source of wealth.
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"Thurston? John Rothman here in studio with me. And John I think it's time. We talk about the horrible event. That's being talked about around the world. And that of course is Jamal kashogi and his hideous murder. The took place in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul Turkey. Now, this is really quite an astounding story. And I know people have been hearing bits and pieces in dribs and drabs of this. This is this is an unbelievable story. I heard yesterday, Pat Robertson. He's old now. But I guess that ha- that happens as the years go by but Pat Robertson was explaining to a reporter how this is only one life. There's only one man this is just one man, and so much is being made out of this. This is an enormous situation. When the one man you're talking about was a permanent citizen, a permanent excuse me, a permanent resident of the United States of America with all the protections that go with that. Once you're issued a green card. There are a lot of things that go along with that. So here's a man who is traveling legally to estan bul. He goes to the Saudi consulate office because he needed to get documents. So that he could marry his fiancee, and he walks into the consulate which is located in Istanbul Turkey, but the consulate of course, is considered to be sovereign territory. Right. John. Sits the sovereign territory of Saudi Arabia, even though it sits on Turkish landed sovereign. All embassies are like that. They're softer council. That's why you have you know, embassy pouches and things like that. It all comes out of the embassy has to do with that nation's sovereignty. But this happened is he walked into that embassy, and he was assaulted and murdered. And then his. Remembered, and then then they took it out in pieces. And nobody knows exactly where it is. Then the Turkish officials already had a recording. Now they claimed and I don't think this is true. I've been listening to a lot of intelligence people say that this is not true. They say that it came from his cell phone that he had a cell phone on transmitted to his to his fiancee. I think they said he had a wet watch an apple watch on which which that sent the video audio to his fiancee who was holding onto his cellphone. What happened was when he entered the consulate office. He told his fiancee that if he didn't come out within a stated period of time that she was to contact the Turkish officials which is what she did. So anyway, the Turkish authorities had the audio I've heard they also have video they know exactly what happened. They wanted to get into the embassy and conduct a proper investigation the Saudis eventually admitted them, but I. I they sent it a cleaning crew and there's video tape other cleaning crew going in and then they sent in painters and they painted the area as well. All this time the Saudi government is claiming that he just laughed. He was never he walked in. Yeah. There's there's video of him walking in, but he did his business, and then he left, and then they have no idea. What transpired they just didn't know and the Turkish officials were telling us, look, we know he was tortured they cut off his fingers one by one. And then he was killed. They dismembered him. They began the dismemberment while he was still alive. They've actually given some specifics like it took seven minutes for him to die, and they have according to accounts that we're getting out of mainstream media. I know they news, but the New York Times and CNN they're telling us that intelligence officials have stated that the US intelligence has listened to these tapes. So they they understand what the Turks are saying is actually true, Donald Trump immediately defended the Saudis, Donald Trump, one of the first things Donald Trump did was he said, well, he's not an American citizen is he? What? So you talking about someone who's a permanent resident of the United States being murdered by a foreign government in their consulate office in another country. And then they did the cover up. And then they totally lied about. This is an international incident. It is a vile incident and nothing like this could possibly have happened without the crown prince having given his specific authorization for it to happen. So they denied it denied it denied it. And now they have come up with a different explanation. Now, they're saying it was a fist fight that he had gone in that there were fifteen people the Turks. No, the Turks have actually published the names of 'em pictures of these people there were fifteen men who went into that consulate who were the ones who assaulted Jamal kashogi and the Saudi government is telling us, oh, a fistfight suit. He started fight. Eating these people. And so they were trying to subdue him. He was put into a chokehold, and he was accident. Strangled to death a panic in food because they knew this would be very bad. And so they made some bad choices. They dismembered him. And then carted him out in pieces. And then lied about what happened cleaned the offices and then painted before allowing investigators to come in. And they're now saying that the reason all of this happened was because of a fight that kashogi instigated, and that's how he died this fight. Now, let me point out to you the president when I asked one of the people who went in there and participate in the fistfight apparently was a guy who had a bone saw who was a guy who was like a medical examiner. So he would know how to chop up a body. And of course, the president today said that what's the Saudis are suggesting is completely reasonable. Of course, he had previously said that what they had suggested was completely reasonable. And he and he brought up the idea that maybe they were rogue elements in the Saudi consulate office trading. This kind of act let's point out that kashogi left Saudi Arabia after he was banned in two thousand seventeen from writing the the ban also participated him for making TV appearances or tending conferences, and he became a US resident. Spending time between Virginia is stumbling London. And of course, he wrote the column for the Washington Post, and it's very important to understand that a report from the State Department in two thousand seventeen said this well known Saudi journalist Jamal kashogi said he moved to the United States in self exile and could face arrest upon returning home do his writing he claimed in his column in Saudi newspaper, Al Hayat had been cancelled under political pressure, and you can go on with this. And when he was asked in a conversation with the Columbia journalism review in March of two thousand eighteen he said, I am a believer in free journalism, despite all the limits, we had I always pushed the envelope. I always wanted to have more space. I was so insulted when the Royal court in Saudi Arabia called me and told me I'm not allowed to write in America. You take freedom for granted. Now. He disappears the Saudi government says, oh, no, no, he left, you left the consulate. We he's not here and almost three weeks later. They finally say, oh, yeah. Eight weeks later on believable. Now, they're bipartisan outrage, but I wanna make one other quick point. President Trump has largely stood by the Saudis repeatedly touted denials of any involvement in Khashoggi's disappearance from the Saudi leadership. And there's a reason for it. Pat. I want people to think about this. If you were president of the United States of America, given the vital importance of Saudi Arabia to all of us to this country to the west would you jeopardize it? Remember that today the Saudi government is in the forefront of the battle against radical Islam. They're the ones bombing Yemen. John I'm only explain to you what the president is thinking. But you know, what here's the thing. This is what I believe the Saudis need us more than we need the Saudis and right now, we let them run roughshod over if the Saudi government is overthrown who will replace them radical Islamists. I think they're pretty radical right now. I don't know. Oh, we're talking about what happened in Iran in Iran. The Shah was overthrown and Khomeini and the radical Islamist over what Trump is thinking. And I'm not defending him. What I'm saying is the reason that America hangs back is because we are afraid of what will happen if the Saudis of a refrain. I don't think that Donald Trump is I think the Donald Trump is listening to John Bolton more than he should. And I think Donald Trump is much more interested in that multi billion dollar arms deal that he wants to do. And I think he's also interested in his own finances as we have over the past all these points that I was going to make but I'm abbreviating. That is exactly the point. That is why Donald Trump is not prepared to condemn the Saudi family, then he's not prepared to be president of the United States. Eight hundred eighty eight ten is the telephone number. I'm Pat Thurston. He's John Rothman. We'll get to your phone calls when we return. You're listening to k geo Pat Thurston on K G O eight.
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"Missed your arm deep for the previous year use it you could make a donation to a nonprofit and reported on that previous year's taxes as have having been made in the previous year and i did not say that otherwise it would have to be paid by april first and reported on this year's return slowly if it was you're talking about thurston qualified charitable growth adjustable distribution which we have no it's permanent so but it's still based on the year that you make the distribution so um if it's your very first our md you can postpone the first rd up until april first of the following year but if it's not you're very first one whether you do the qualified journal distribution or you'd take a distribution in cash you've already missed it the required minimum distribution for every one except for the first required minimum distribution the money has to leave the account sometime between january first in december 31st of the year that is required for so if it doesn't make ended up the next year by a bigger distribution isn't going to help is it's that years distribution not the previous year yeah so so obviously we've i'm reading this correctly what he's trying to do is is you you wanted to make a qualified charitably contribution to take care of the required minimum distribution for let's say for last year for 2016 yeah any tried to do that by april first i i would imagine i guess that works but missed it and so he wants to take the firm wanted to take the first one if it's the first one maybe i guess you already did it if it's the first one you can do this qualify charitable distribution in this year and have account for last year it's just like any other distribution it's happening this year it would otherwise be taxable this year but because if it but because it's accused it is not taxable but it's still qualifies as you required minimum distribution and you're using it for last year obviously were too late in the year.